Jan 23, 2023 Design

ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMUNICATION TODAY.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

UM, ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND.

UM, ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF 1215 RED RIVER AND 6 0 6 AND SIX 14 EAST 12TH STREET PER CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION.

[2. Discussion and possible action on a recommendation for conceptual plans for redevelopment of 1215 Red River and 606 and 614 East 12th Streets per City Council direction. Presented by Margaret Shaw, Economic Development Department and Amanda Swor, Drenner Group, PC.]

PRESENTED BY MARGARET SHAW OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND AMANDA SWORE FROM THE GENERALER GROUP CHAIR.

I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF ON THIS SIDE.

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS MARGARET SHAW.

I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND ONE OF MY PROJECTS IS THE HEALTH SOUTH PROJECT.

SO WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.

WE ARE HERE AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AS PART OF OUR STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

WE ARE PRESENTING, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT.

AND AMANDA SCHWAR WILL JOIN ME IN A MOMENT FROM DRER GROUP PRESENTING CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THREE PARCELS IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF DOWNTOWN.

WE ARE POSTED TONIGHT FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION BECAUSE WE WOULD WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK THE COUNCIL HAS, THE COMMISSION HAS AT THIS STAGE OF OUR PROCESS.

WE WILL BE BACK TO YOU EVENTUALLY, UM, FOR A FORMAL REVIEW UNDER THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

SO THANK YOU.

UM, WITH THAT, WE CAN GET STARTED ON THE PRESENTATION AGAIN, AS WE NOTED AS THEY'RE PULLING IT UP, THE THREE PARCELS, UM, TWO OF WHICH ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN, 1215 RED RIVER, 6 0 6 EAST 12TH.

SO THAT'S THE FORMER HEALTH SOUTH HOSPITAL AND PARKING GARAGE.

THAT HAS, UH, ALL THE CHRONOLOGICAL DETAIL ON THAT.

I WON'T READ THIS ON BACKGROUND, BUT I WANTED, UM, FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND AND THE MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE FOLLOWING ALONG THE CITY ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE CITY PROPERTIES, THE TWO CITY PROPERTIES ALL THE WAY GOING BACK TO THE 1950S AND SEVENTIES.

WHAT HAPPENED IN 1916 IS THE CITY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THE LEASEHOLD INTEREST THAT HILL SOUTH HAD BACK.

SO THE CITY GOT CONTROL AGAIN OF THIS SITE.

AND THEN WE, THE COUNCIL, SPENT A COUPLE YEARS FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO REGARDING REDEVELOPMENT FROM 17 TO 18.

UM, IN 18, THEY PASSED A RESOLUTION DIRECTING STAFF TO SEEK SOLICITATIONS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, UM, FOCUSED ON A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT, FOCUSED ON SERVING PEOPLE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THOSE EARNING 50 TO 60% OF MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME.

UH, WE DID ISSUE THAT SOLICITATION AND MANAGED TO LAND IT CLOSE IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC OPENING.

SO APRIL OF 2020, WE RECEIVED FOUR BIDS AND THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, UM, CONTINUING NEGOTIATIONS WITH ASPEN HEIGHTS PARTNERS, WHICH WE HAVE CONTINUED TO DO, AND WE WERE, UM, HAVE SECURED JUST AS FORMAL PROCESS.

AN EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT WITH ALL THAT MEANS IS A LEGAL AGREEMENT THAT SAID, WE WILL ONLY NEGOTIATE WITH EACH OTHER IN GOOD FAITH, AND THEN WE'RE IN THE PROCESS.

NOW, COUNCIL HAS GIVEN US DIRECTION ON THE TERMS FOR WHICH A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS THE NITTY GRITTY OF DEVELOPMENT RULES ON THIS SITE.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING THAT DOCUMENT, AND WE'LL BE BACK TO COUNCIL LATER.

UM, FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, UM, YOU CAN, THE PROJECT WEBSITE IS AVAILABLE

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THE PROJECT TEAM WE HAVE FROM THE CITY'S NEGOTIATING SIDE, WE HAVE HOUSING AND PLANNING.

UM, MANDY DE MAYO IS AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY FOR US TONIGHT FROM HOUSING AND PLANNING FINANCIAL SERVICES, REAL ESTATE DIVISION OF MERRICK ISADOR, AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY DURING THE Q AND A TO HELP US, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

MY DEPUTY DIRECTOR, SUSANNA CARRA HALL, UM, IS ALSO AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY FOR QUESTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE AN OUTSIDE COUNCIL AND FINANCIAL CONSULTANT AND ADVISOR.

THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS ASPEN HEIGHTS, UM, NHP FOUNDATION, CAPITAL A FOR THE AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT S TG DESIGN, SOLITUDES, STUDIO BALCONIES, AND DRER GROUP.

WE WERE PLEASED, UM, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE TO SEE A FULLY LOCAL TEAM, AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UM, TONIGHT WITH US TO ANSWER, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO AMANDA.

MY NAME'S AMANDA SW WITH RENNER GROUP.

I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL THIS EVENING.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UM, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE COME TO YOU, WE ARE COMING TO YOU WITH PRETTY COOKED PROJECTS.

WE ARE COMING TO YOU WITH PROJECTS THAT HAVE SITE PLANS IN THAT ARE READY TO GO FORWARD WITH A DENSITY BONUS.

UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO COME TO YOU EARLY IN THE PROCESS, LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.

AS MARGARET SAID, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND ARE REALLY EXCITED TO PRESENT TO YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROJECT AND ITS BEST AND FINAL OFFER.

SO, WITH THAT, I'LL START WITH WHERE OUR PROJECT IS LOCATED.

SO WE ARE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 12TH AND RED R RED RIVER.

AS YOU SEE, WE ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS, UH, AREA, WHICH MEANS WE WILL BE COMING BACK SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE ONCE WE GET THE, THE DETAILS WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY.

AND WE HAVE A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IN FOR REVIEW.

I AM A VERY VISUAL PERSON.

SO PUTTING THE ADDRESSES THAT MARGARET MENTIONED ON PAPER, THE TWO SLIDES, THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN GREEN ARE THE CITY OWNED HEALTH SOUTH PROPERTIES.

THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN YELLOW, WHICH IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE FAA PROPERTY, IS A SEPARATE PROPERTY THAT ASPEN HEIGHTS HAS UNDER CONTRACT AND WILL BE ROLLED INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ALLOWS THE, UH, ALLOWS THE PROJECT TEAM TO ACTUALLY BUILD TWO TOWERS, UM, WHAT WE WILL CALL A NORTH TOWER AND A SOUTH TOWER.

UH, THAT NORTH TOWER IS, UH, FULLY LOCATED ON THE CITY LAND, WHICH IS ON THE, THE LONGER GREEN, UH, RECTANGLE.

AND THEN THE SOUTH, UH, SOUTH SOUTH TOWER THAT I'LL MENTION IS LOCATED ON BOTH THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY THAT ASPEN HEIGHTS WILL OWN.

WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, AGAIN, SABINE STREET IS ON THE EAST.

WE HAVE 12TH STREET ON THE SOUTH.

ON THE WEST WE HAVE THE RECONFIGURED RED RIVER, AND THEN ON THE NORTH, UH, IS WHAT WE ARE HOPING WILL, UH, POTENTIALLY BE A 13TH STREET.

THAT'S A, A LOT TO COME IN IN THE FUTURE.

UH, BUT A PIECE THAT WE WANTED TO MENTION.

THESE ARE PIECES THAT WE KNOW EXIST AND THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, WORKED INTO THE PROJECT.

SO IF YOU TAKE THE, THE COLORS OFF AND KIND OF PUT IN HERE WHAT IS A, AN AERIAL VIEW OF WHAT THE PROPERTY WILL LOOK AT, WE REALLY HAVE WORKED TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, INTO THE PROJECT.

SO WHERE YOU HAVE THE RED DASHED LINES THAT RUN ACROSS THE PROPERTY, THERE'S A CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR THAT RUNS STRAIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.

WHAT THE PROJECT TEAM REALLY DID WAS USE THAT AS AN INSPIRATION FOR THE PROJECT.

SO WHAT YOU SEE IS ACTUALLY AN OPEN AIR PLAZA THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT SITS RIGHT UNDER THE CAPITOL VIEW CORRIDOR ON THE SIXTH FLOOR.

I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, BUT WANTED TO REALLY PUT THAT, THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE.

AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE, UH, HOW THE FAA SITE AND THE HEALTH SITE HEALTH SOUTH GARAGE WORK TOGETHER.

SO NEXT SITE PLEASE.

THE, THE SITE AS, UH, MOST SITES ARE DID NOT COME, UH, PRETTY AND CLEAN.

THERE WERE DEFINITELY SOME CONSTRAINTS THAT THE DESIGN TEAM DID A REALLY AMAZING JOB, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER TO CREATE A PROJECT.

SO WE HAVE THE, UH, 12TH SEAT STREET CAPITAL VIEW.

OH, THAT'S SO GREAT AND BIG THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT LARGER.

UM, WE HAVE THE 12TH STREET CAPITAL V CORRIDOR AGAIN, UH, THAT I MENTIONED THAT COMPLETELY BISECT THE SITE.

WE HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY WHERE SABINE STREET AS IT EXISTS TODAY IS A PRETTY NARROW ROAD.

AND THEN THERE'S THE ALLEY THAT RUNS BETWEEN THE NORTH SITE AND THE SOUTH SITE TODAY.

THAT IS, UM, A PRETTY SUBSTANDARD ALLEY THAT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR LARGE TRUCKS TO, TO RUN THROUGH THE WEST STREET RE TO THE WEST, THE RED RIVER REALIGNMENT, RE UH, ESTABLISHING THE CITY GRID.

AND THEN THE NORTH, THE PROPOSED 13TH STREET.

THERE ARE SOME, UH, REALLY LARGE, UH, HERITAGE TREES ON THE SITE THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE INTO, UH, A PIECE OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE CHILDCARE CENTER THAT I'LL TALK THROUGH, UH, IN A MINUTE.

AND THEN THE, THE UTILITIES AND THE DRAINAGE THAT EXIST ON THE SITE.

SO JUST WANTING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT

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THE PRETTY PICTURES ARE THE FUN PART.

SO THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING TO THE, FROM THE SOUTHEAST LOOKING TO THE NORTHWEST.

SO THE PICTURE THAT IS THE CLOSEST TO US IS WHAT WE CALL THE SOUTH TOWER THAT SITS ON THE FAA AND THE CITY OWNED SITE.

AND THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH IS, OR TO THE, UH, TO THE REAR OF THIS PICTURE OR TO THE RIGHT IS THE, THE NORTH TOWER.

BOTH OF THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL TOWERS, UH, THAT DO INCORPORATE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES.

WHAT YOU CAN REALLY SEE IN THIS PICTURE IS WHERE THAT PLAZA, WHERE THE CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR IS, SITS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

SO WE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE NORTH TOWER AND WHITE, THE TREES AND ALL OF THAT IS WHAT'S SITTING AT THAT, UH, THAT SIXTH LEVEL WHERE THE CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR IS.

AND YOU REALLY SEE HOW THESE ORIENT, UM, WITHOUT A BACK DOOR TO 'EM, GIVEN THAT THEY, THEY REALLY DO HAVE STREET FRONTAGE ON FOUR SIDES.

UH, THE MEAT AND POTATOES.

SO WHERE THE, THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER ENDED UP.

WE, WE DO HAVE THE TWO TOWERS, THE NORTH TOWER AND THE SOUTH TOWER.

AGAIN, BOTH ARE RESIDENTIAL TOWERS.

BOTH OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY PLANNED TO BE 37 STORIES, UM, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THAT 400 FOOT MARK.

THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT COMPONENTS IN IT THAT I'LL TALK THROUGH IN A MINUTE, BUT REALLY WANTED TO, UH, TALK THROUGH WHERE THEY LAND.

SO ON THAT NORTH TOWER, THERE IS A LIVE MUSIC AND ARTS VENUE THAT IS PLANNED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, ON THE WESTERN SITE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING REALLY TO, UM, TO POUR OUT TOWARDS RED RIVER.

THERE'S A FOOD HALL IN THE NORTH, UH, BUILDING AS WELL AS IS PUBLIC PARKING.

THE SOUTH BUILDING AGAIN HAS THE, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

IT INCORPORATES THE CHILDCARE CENTER, THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, AND THE THE PUBLIC PARKING.

THE PLAZA THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT IS ABOUT 30,000 SQUARE FEET PUBLIC PLAZA THAT SITS WITHIN THE CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR.

AND THEN THE, UH, THERE IS A CASH PAYMENT THAT IS INCORPORATED WITH THE GROUND LEASE AT THAT, UH, 12.2 MILLION.

AS, UH, MARGARET MENTIONED, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT.

IT WAS A, A GOAL AND A PRIORITY OF THE CITY TO REALLY INCORPORATE AS MUCH ONSITE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS COULD BE, UM, INCLUDED.

AND SO THE, THAT HAS BEEN AND WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED BY BRINGING IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER AS PART OF THE PROJECT.

THE NORTH TOWER WILL BE A MARKET RATE TOWER.

THE SOUTH TOWER WILL BE A MIXED INCOME TOWER.

UH, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED, JUST FOR THE RECORD, IN CASE SOMEONE'S NOT LOOKING AT THIS, THE NORTH TOWER WILL HAVE 573 MARKET RATE UNITS.

THE SOUTH TOWER IS INCORPORATED, UH, INCORPORATING 348 UNITS.

OF THAT 116 WILL BE MARKET RATE AND 232 AFFORDABLE, UH, UNITS WILL BE IN THAT SOUTH TOWER.

SO 67% OF THE TOWER, BUT 25% OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL BE AFFORDABLE ONSITE FOR HOUSEHOLDS EARNING BETWEEN 50 AND 60% OF THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME.

THAT IS 117 UNITS AT 50% MFI AND 115 UNITS AT 60% MFI.

THOSE ONSITE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE A PROPORTIONATE MIX, MEANING THEY ARE STUDIOS ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOM ONSITE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

THE OTHER PIECE THAT'S PRETTY UNIQUE IS THAT THEY ARE AFFORDABLE FOR 99 YEARS FOR THE LEASE OF THE TERM, NOT JUST 40 YEARS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU OFTEN SEE IN THESE PROJECTS.

AND THE PROJECTS DO COME ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THE NORTH TOWER CAN COME ON WITH MARKET AND THE, UH, AND THE AFFORDABLE UNITS NOT COME INTO PLAY.

SO, TALKING THROUGH A FEW OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT ASPECTS THAT THE ASPEN HEIGHTS TEAM AND THE CITY REALLY WORKED HARD TO NEGOTIATE AS PART OF THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER THAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED AND IS, UH, IS CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THE NEXT STEPS.

THE FIRST IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE SECOND IS A CHILDCARE CENTER.

THE PROJECT IS INCORPORATING AN ON-SITE CHILDCARE CENTER THAT IS, UM, THAT IS SERVING UP TO 75 CHILDREN.

UH, THE ASPEN HEIGHTS TEAM IS ALSO INCORPORATING THE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT ONSITE CHILDCARE CENTER.

WE DO HAVE PUBLIC ART AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER.

THE SUSTAINABILITY IS ALSO AT A HIGHER LEVEL.

SO THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS REQUIRES A TWO STAR.

YOU GET THE BONUS WITH A THREE STAR.

THE COMMITMENT AT THIS TIME IS EITHER FOUR STAR GREEN BUILDER OR LEAD GOLD.

THERE IS AN ONSITE LIVE MUSIC VENUE WITHIN THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS A REQUIREMENT FOR 35,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL WITH A PORTION OF THAT BEING AFFORDABLE RETAIL FOR LOCAL, UH, LOCAL TENANTS.

PROJECT ALSO REALLY LOOKED TOWARDS PLACE MA PLACE MAKING AND ACTIVATION.

THE

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WE'RE IN A REALLY UNIQUE LOCATION THAT REALLY NEEDS SOME LIFE BROUGHT INTO IT.

IT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT WITH THE, WITH THE PARK AND ALL OF THE PIECES.

THIS PROJECT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A CATALYST FOR, FOR WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT'S TO COME.

SO REALLY THE ACTIVATION OF RED RIVER TO CREATE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND TO ALL OF THE AMAZING DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OF RED RIVER WITH THOSE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES AND STREET SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ALLEY, BOTH ON THE, UH, NORTH BETWEEN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH PROJECTS TO CREATE THAT, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE CONNECTIVITY, THE PUBLIC PLAZA, THAT I THINK IS ONE OF THE COOLEST THINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT WITHIN THAT CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR, THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RETAIL SPACE.

AGAIN, CHILDCARE, LIVE MUSIC AND LOCAL BUSINESSES ALL WITHIN ONE PROJECT.

AND THEN, UM, FINALLY THAT THE PARKING WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE A PRIVATE PARKING GARAGE.

NEXT STEP, NEXT SLIDE.

PLEASE FEEL LIKE I'M TALKING FAST, BUT IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO FEEL FREE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS AT THE END.

UM, I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT HERE YET FOR A DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE A BIG FRAMEWORK.

SO WHILE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU SEE THESE PRESENTATIONS WE GO THROUGH PIECE BY PIECE, YOU'LL GET THAT, THAT LATER WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS.

BUT WE DID AND HAVE BEEN KEEPING THOSE GUIDELINES IN MIND AS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING THROUGH THE PROJECT.

SO JUST KIND OF HITTING SOME OF THE, THE PIECES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DENSITY, THE MIX OF USES, REALLY TYING TOGETHER THE AREA, WHICH I THINK IS A, A SUPER UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE STATE CAPITAL, THE UT MEDICAL CENTER, THE INNOVATION DISTRICT, WATERLOO GREENWAY PARK, UM, AND EXCUSE ME, THE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT, AND REALLY THAT CELEBRATION OF THE CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR.

WE ARE, UH, MEETING GREAT STREETS AND THEN INCORPORATING THE ADDITIONAL ENERGY STAR STANDARDS.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I'M GOING TO SKIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE CUZ I THINK THAT IT SHOWS IT BETTER.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS THE NORTH TOWER.

I'M A COLORS PERSON.

SO THE AREA THAT IS IN GREEN IS REALLY THE, THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES THAT, THAT WE'RE USED TO SEEING.

THE, UH, THE LEFT OF THIS SITE IS RED RIVER.

SO WHAT WE HAVE ALL OF THESE GREEN OR OR RETAIL RESTAURANT TYPE SPACES, THE STAIRWELL THAT'S IN THE NORTHEAST, OH, I GOT TOO CLOSE NORTHEAST CORNER OR THE TOP LEFT OF THIS IS, UM, AND JACK CAN TELL ME IF I, IF I BUTCHER THIS AS I TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THIS IS REALLY THE GATEWAY TO THAT PLAZA THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

OFTENTIMES WHEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC PLAZA OR SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO GO INTO A BUILDING, WIND AROUND TO FIGURE OUT A, A WAY TO GET UP TO AN AREA.

THIS WILL BE LIKELY SOME TYPE OF, UM, GLASS ELEVATOR, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE PEOPLE FROM THE STREET WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE WAY TO GET TO THE UPPER LEVELS TO THE SIXTH FLOOR.

THE MUSIC VENUE IS ALSO ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THAT ELEVATOR WILL ALSO BE THE MECHANISM FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, GET TO THAT SECOND LEVEL WHERE THE MUSIC VENUE ISN'T ALSO UP TO THE SIXTH LEVEL WHERE THE PUBLIC PLAZA IS.

THAT'S, UM, THEY CAN TALK MORE THROUGH THAT.

THE RESIDENTIAL LOBBY HAS BEEN LOCATED IN THE, ON THE NORTHEAST OR THE TOP RIGHT OF THIS PICTURE.

AND THEN THERE HAS TO BE A BACK OF HOUSE.

UM, EVEN THOUGH THIS SITE HAS ALL THE PIECES, THEY'VE INCORPORATED THE LARGER ALLEY TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SERVE ALLEY USES ON AN ALLEY.

UM, CUZ AGAIN TODAY, THAT ALLEY IS VERY SUBSTANDARD.

THIS IS THAT SOUTH TOWER AGAIN WITH THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY ON THE, UH, RIGHT HALF OF THIS BLOCK AND THE FAA PROPERTY ON THE LEFT HALF OF THIS BLOCK.

WHAT YOU SEE IS THE TWO HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE ON THE SITE THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE INDICATED WITH THE BLACK CIRCLES.

THE GRAY RIGHT AROUND THERE IS THE COURTYARD, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREA FOR THE CHILDCARE CENTER.

SO REALLY TAKING WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A SITE CONSTRAINT AND REALLY CELEBRATING IT INTO THE PROJECT WITH THAT OUTDOOR AREA.

AND THEN THE CHILDCARE CENTER IS ON THAT, UH, WESTERN SIDE OF THIS BUILDING WITH THE RETAIL.

THEN AGAIN, WRAPPING AROUND THE CORNER OF 12TH AND SABINE IN AGAIN, A SMALLER, UH, LOBBY THAN YOU WOULD SEE IN MOST PROJECTS.

I LIKE THIS PICTURE.

I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND SHOWS EVERYTHING THAT IS TO BE CELEBRATED ABOUT THE SITE.

SO THIS IS A PICTURE LOOKING TO THE WEST OF WHAT THAT LOBBY WILL BE REALLY CREATING AND ENHANCING THAT CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRS THAT I DID A TERRIBLE JOB OF EXPLAINING BECAUSE THEY DID SUCH A GOOD JOB OF DESIGNING THEM WHERE YOU HAVE THE STAIR AND THE ELEVATOR THAT GETS YOU AGAIN TO THAT GROUND FLOOR, TO THE SECOND STORY MUSIC VENUE, AND THEN UP TO THE, TO THE PLAZA AREA.

I TALKED A LOT AND I TALKED FAST.

I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

MARGARET, I THINK THIS IS WHEN I FOLLOW, I I GIVE IT TO YOU.

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SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH, A LOT TO COVER.

UH, AS WE SAID, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST, UM, IF THE COMMISSION IS SO WILLING, UM, TO GIVE US, UH, FEEDBACK, A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS AS PART OF OUR STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND PROCESS.

UM, IT WILL COME BACK TO Y'ALL, AS AMANDA SAID, THROUGH A MORE FORMAL PROCESS LATER IN THE DESIGN STAGES.

UM, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, NEXT SLIDE.

THE NEXT STEPS, JUST TO PUT Y'ALL IN CONTEXT.

WE DO, WE ARE, YOU'RE THE FIRST OF OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPEARANCES.

WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

WE'LL ALSO BE DOING MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED.

AND THEN WE EXPECT TO BE BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER WITH THE FINAL M D A FOR ACTION, UM, AT COUNCIL LEVEL.

SO WITH THAT, WE END OUR PRESENTATION AND WE HAVE FOLKS HERE, UM, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE THEM.

COMMISSIONERS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE TO ACTION OR DISCUSSION? MOTION TO MOVE TO DISCUSSION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER MINORS.

YEAH, I THINK THIS IS SUCH A THOUGHTFUL PROJECT AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND I WANT TO KEEP IT KIND OF BRIEF.

UM, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF, UH, CREATING SOME STREET INTERACTION.

UM, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE DECISION BEHIND, UH, THE NORTH TOWER, UM, WITH THE LOBBY, UM, ON THE, I THINK IT'S THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT, UM, ON SABINE.

UM, I JUST QUESTIONED KIND OF THE PLACEMENT OF THAT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS DISCUSSED TO, UM, SWITCH THAT WITH THE RETAIL THAT'S IN, IN THE NORTH CENTRAL PORTION, UM, TO FURTHER ACTIVATE SABINE ON THAT BLOCK.

I CAN SAY THAT THAT'S A GREAT POINT AND I'M NOT 100% SURE OF THE ANSWER, BUT, UM, THIS IS NICK WITH ASPEN HEIGHTS AND I'M GONNA LET HIM TAKE A STAB AT THAT.

UH, NICK ALAN ASPEN HEIGHTS PARTNER, I'M THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER ON THIS, UH, PROJECT.

UM, WE, WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POTENTIAL OF CREATING 13TH STREET, IT WOULD BE MUCH, A MUCH MORE RESIDENTIAL STREET KIND OF AWAY FROM THE ACTION OF WATERLOO AND RED RIVER.

AND SO WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BETTER TO LOAD MORE THE ACTIVITY WITH THE RETAIL CLOSER TO THAT HARD CORNER OF 13TH AND RED RIVER, GET IT CLOSER TO ALL THE ENERGY ALONG WA IN WATERLOO PARK, AND THEN PLACE THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL LOBBY KIND OF BACK TOWARDS WHERE, LIKE THE QUIETER SECTION ON THAT, ON THAT MORE RESIDENTIAL STREET.

YEAH, I WOULD JUST, UH, BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD TOO, I SAW A REFERENCE TO PUBLIC ART, AND I DO SEE THAT THERE IS A PODIUM AND IT LOOKS TO HAVE SOME ARTICULATION THAT LOOKS ARTISTIC IN MY OPINION.

BUT I'M CURIOUS, IS THAT THE EXTENT OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE PUBLIC ART? THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE MULTIPLE PUBLIC, PUBLIC ART PIECES, IS THE REALITY BECAUSE OF THIS SPACE THAT IT HAS, THIS IS NOT, UH, MARGARET, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS IS NOT A TRUE PARTICIPATION IN THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES.

IT IS PUBLIC ART.

SO IT IS, ASPEN HAS THE ABILITY TO COMMISSION LOCAL ARTISTS AND COME IN AND PUT AS MANY, AS MANY ART PIECES AS THEY WANT IN THERE.

THERE'S JUST A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE ART IN THE, IN THE PROJECT.

DO SEE THIS AS A PLACE THAT, FOR INSTANCE, PEOPLE FROM THE HOSPITAL, UM, OR OTHER FOLKS LIVING, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING AND LIVING AT THE CAPITOL COULD COME BY FOR LUNCH, SIT, PLAY, HAVE A CONCERT AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, OPEN TO DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, I THINK THE PARKING PODIUM POTENTIALLY COULD BE AN GREAT POINT AREA TO DISPLAY IT.

YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT POINT.

I CAN ADD REAL QUICK.

SURE, PLEASE.

SO YEAH, WE, WE DEFINITELY CONSIDER THE PODIUM AS A POTENTIAL PLACE FOR ARTWORK ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE PODIUM AS WELL AS WITHIN THE PUBLIC PLAZA.

AND THEN ON THE, UM, THE STREET SCAPES AROUND THE ACTUAL SURROUNDING, UH, BUILDING AREAS.

COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, SINCE WE'RE ON THE DISCUSSION OF THE PLAZA ON THE SIXTH FLOOR, FIRST OF ALL, PROJECT LOOKS FABULOUS, REALLY EXCITING, BUT THIS IS MORE OF A CURIOSITY.

HAVING DONE A, A GREEN ROOF ON THE SIXTH FLOOR BEFORE, I LOVE THE WAY THE ACCESS IS VISIBLE AND KIND OF TRANSPARENT LOOKING VERY GLASSY.

BUT WHAT MAKES ME WANT TO GO UP THERE, UH, IS THERE GOING TO BE PROGRAMS? I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE I'M INVADING YOUR BUILDING JUST TO GO UP THE SIXTH FLOOR.

AND THEN WHAT IS THE PROGRAM ON THE SIXTH LEVEL THAT SUPPORTS LIKE, DAILY USE SO THAT THIS THING REMAINS, THE MORE ACTIVE IS, THE MORE SAFE IT IS, THE MORE YOUR INVESTMENT PAYS OFF, ET CETERA.

JUST WANNA KNOW MORE.

YEAH, IT'S MARGARET AGAIN.

I'M GONNA STEP IN FIRST NICK AND YOU CAN FOLLOW UP WITH ME.

THAT WAS THE PRIORITY OF THIS CITY.

AS WELL AS THAT THIS IS NOT A SPACE THAT'S EITHER JUST FOR RESIDENTS.

IN FACT, WE WERE ALSO ATTRACTED TO THAT DESIGN FEATURE.

IT IS GONNA BE PROGRAMMED, UM, AND IT IS GONNA BE WORKING WITH RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THERE TO MAKE IT ACTIVE FOR, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE AND THE BUSINESSES, BUT WE

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UM, AND SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC ART WE DO AT THIS STAGE OF NEGOTIATION, WE DO WANNA LEAVE FLEXIBILITY, UM, IN THE ACTUAL LEGAL DOCUMENT SO THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE AS THE MARKET CHANGES AND CHAR MOVES, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO ALLOW OUR PARTNERS TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE PROPERTY MANAGERS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

BUT I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO NICK TO SEE IF HE CAN ADD ONTO THAT.

UM, SO THERE IS A, UH, 18,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FOOD HALL ON THE PLAZA LEVEL.

AND WE ESTIMATE THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND 20 STALLS TOTAL IN OUR GOAL IS TO GET, UM, LOCAL, UH, FOOD VENDORS, UH, YOU KNOW, GROUPS THAT CHEFS OR, YOU KNOW, RESTAURATEURS THAT WANT TO KIND OF TRIAL, UH, CERTAIN CONCEPTS, UM, AS WELL, FOOD TRUCK CONCEPTS THAT WANT A, A BRICK AND MORTAR LOCATION, BUT DON'T WANT TO BE, UH, THE ONLY, UH, WANT MAYBE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNAL FOOD HALL FEEL.

SO, UM, IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENT IS TO PROGRAM, UM, THAT FOOD HALL TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ALL DAY OFFERING.

SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, COFFEE AND, AND, UH, BREAKFAST, LUNCH, DINNER, GELATO, THAT, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO, UM, ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO HAVE, UM, EXHIBITIONS AND CONCERT SPACE, UM, A UH, A PLACE WHERE WE, WE HOPE THAT FAMILIES BRING THEIR CHILDREN, WE ALSO WANT THERE TO BE A, UH, ROBUST AND LOCAL F AND B PRESENCE AS WELL.

IS, IS THERE A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT OR IS IT ALL EXTERIOR? I MEAN, CAN I GO THROUGH THE BUILDING TO GET THE YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE BUILDING AS WELL.

SO, AND YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE OPEN LIKE EIGHT TO MIDNIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH.

AND THEN IF I DON'T, IF I'M NOT PAT PATRONIZING THE FOOD SERVICE, DO I HAVE ACCESS TO RESTROOMS? YES.

SO IT, THERE WILL BE, UM, ELEVATORS FROM THE PARKING GARAGE AS WELL.

MM-HMM.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO PARK, UH, YOUR CAR OR, UM, YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, USING THE PUBLIC PARKING FOR SOME OTHER USE WATERLOO PARK, UM, AND THEN YOU WANTED TO STOP AT, UM, THE PLAZA LEVEL ON YOUR WAY HOME AND, YOU KNOW, GRAB A MEAL OR, UH, WILL YOU BRING IT DOWNSTAIRS FOR ME? , UH, , I, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT, THE GREAT THING IS THAT IT'S, IT, WE HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, MONUMENTAL STAIR IN THE GLASS ELEVATOR AT THAT, UM, NORTHWEST CORNER, THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL, ALL THE ACTIVITY FROM WATERLOO OR COMING, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OR NORTH ALONG RED RIVER.

AND IT'LL GIVE YOU A GREAT VISUAL CUE TO INSPECT AND, AND, AND BE CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT BE UP THERE.

WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WALKING UP THE, THE STAIR LAST QUESTION, IS THERE A CROSSWALK PLANNED FROM THE PARK TO YOUR PUBLIC SPACE, TO YOUR PLAZA SPACE? THERE IS NOT AT THE MOMENT.

UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT.

OF THE PLAZA FOR, YOU KNOW, USABILITY AND COMFORT REASONS.

I, FOR MAY, I THINK FOR, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON VOLUME, I THINK TO SUPPORT AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT.

ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THOUGHTS.

I'D LOVE THE PROJECT.

I THINK IT'S A, IF ANYTHING, I'M JUST INTRIGUED TO THE DETAILS ACROSS RIVER FROM WATERLOO TO THE OKAY.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

YOU'RE MEANING FROM WATERLOO PARK OVER RED RIVER, SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THE CORNER TO COME BACK TO.

I'M IN WATERLOO, I CAN SEE THAT GLASS TOWER AND ACCESS POINT.

I'M ON.

I WANT TO GO, I'M GONNA JAYWALK.

I'M NOT GONNA GO TO THE CORNER.

, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

WE WILL CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP IN DISCUSSIONS WITH TRANSPORTATION.

THERE'S NO PLAN THAT WE KNOW OF OTHER THAN THE LEGAL WALKING TO THE CORNER, AND WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IN OUR PEDESTRIAN, UM, SAFETY PROGRAMS, UH, FOR, FOR MY ATD COLLEAGUES THAT ARE WATCHING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GROW ACROSS.

BUT WE DO SEE, AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PLAZA, AND I THINK I HEAR THAT IN YOUR QUESTIONS TOO, BECAUSE WE DO THINK THIS NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF DOWNTOWN DESPERATELY NEEDS THIS KIND OF SERVICE, BOTH RETAIL, UM, FOR ME, THE LIVE MUSIC VENUE TOO, AND HOW THEY'VE THOUGHT ABOUT PROGRAMMING THAT AND MANAGING THAT TO SERVE AND CONNECT WITH BOTH THE EAST AUSTIN, RIGHT, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE HISTORIC 11TH STREET, UM, THE MUSIC SCENE OVER THERE AND CONNECTING.

AND WE HAVE ASPIRATIONS ABOUT THE CUT AND CAP PROJECT AS WELL THAT COULD, THIS, THIS LOCATION WILL BE A MAJOR FEEDER OF THAT CUT AND CAP CONNECTION AS WELL.

BUT THANK YOU, THAT'S EXACTLY THE KIND OF FEEDBACK WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT.

SO WE'LL RAISE THAT LAST, LAST PROJECT.

ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO PUTTING LARGE SHADE TREES ON THIS ELEVATED PLAZA.

SO SHADE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE A MAJOR DESIGN COMPONENT

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UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT IN DESIGN YET.

UM, A CENTRAL POINT IN DESIGN.

COMMISSIONER WATLEY.

YEAH, HI, ATTIC.

SOME QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO YOUR PARKING STRATEGY AND WAS INTERESTED, HOW MUCH IS BELOW GRADE, UH, PARKING AND HOW MUCH IS ABOVE GRADE? AND THEN JUST THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IN GENERAL.

I'M, I'D SAY I'M A PROPONENT OF MINIMAL PARKING.

I COULD SEE A VALID STRATEGY TO, YOU KNOW, ALMOST OFFER A DISTRICT PARKING DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES IN THE AREA ARE, ARE OFFERING SO THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE GOING WITH MINIMAL OR NO PARKING.

SO JUST LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.

SO, UH, WITH THE NORTH TOWER, WE HAVE, UH, THREE LEVELS OF BELOW GRADE PARKING, AND WE HAVE, UH, FIVE LEVELS OF ABOVE GRADE PARKING, I'M SORRY, FOUR LEVELS OF ABOVE, ABOVE GRADE PARKING.

UM, WITH THE SOUTH TOWER, WE HAVE NINE LEVELS OF PARKING ALL ABOVE GRADE.

UM, AND IT'S, UH, THE INTENT IS TO PARK, UH, THE UNITS AND THE RETAIL TO MARKET.

AND I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT, IS IT 250 PUBLIC SPACES, UM, THAT WE INTEND TO, UH, OFFER, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, DAILY AND, AND, AND CONTRACT PARKING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT YOU MIGHT MENTION THE CONNECTION BETWEEN TWO GUYS.

SO YEAH, SO AT THE PUBLIC, UH, PLAZA LEVEL, WE HAVE A, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THAT ACTUALLY GOES OVER THE ALLEY TO THE SOUTH, INTO THE GARAGE AND CONNECTS DIRECTLY UP WITH THE ELEVATORS IN THE, UH, SOUTH TOWER GARAGE.

SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE HOPE IS THAT THESE GARAGES CAN BE DYNAMICALLY USED AND, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THERE'S, UH, INVERSE USES SUCH AS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SPACES AVAILABLE ON THE DAY, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM, UH, FOR OTHER USES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

UM, BUT THAT ONE TOWER IS NOT COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON WITHIN THEIR OWN PARKING, THEY CAN SHARE IN, IN THE PARKING POOL MARKER.

UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT TOO.

UM, A CRITICAL ELEMENT OF THIS PROJECT, UH, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW, IS THE FINANCING STRUCTURE.

SO I DO WANNA, UM, BEHOOVE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND PART OF THE WAY THEY ARE DELIVERING A VERY ROBUST COMMUNITY PACKAGE, BOTH IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DISCOUNTED SPACES FOR BOTH THE LIVE MUSIC VENUES, SOME OF THE RETAIL IS BECAUSE OF THE MARKET RATE COMPONENTS OF PARKING.

SO I, I JUST WANNA, I FEEL IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO CALL OUT THE FACT THAT PARKING IS NOT JUST A DESIGN ELEMENT, IT'S ALSO A FINANCIAL ELEMENT TO MAKE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT USES WORK TOGETHER.

UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT TOO, THAT PUBLIC PARKING IS IMPORTANT FOR ALSO THE FINANCIAL HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECES, AND THEY'VE COMMITTED TO LONG-TERM REDUCED RENTS FOR COMMERCIAL AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE LIFE OF THE LEASE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AS A CITY COMMISSIONER LUKINS.

IT'S A GREAT PROJECT HOBBY, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, UH, HOW MANY OF, HOW MUCH OF THIS PARKING DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE, UH, TO BE EV READY AND HOW MUCH DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE EV CHARGING? UM, EV CHARGING STATIONS ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT TODAY AND ARE GONNA BE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT GOING INTO THE FUTURE.

UM, WE'VE NOT DESIGNATED A NUMBER OF SPACES YET, BUT THEY ARE VERY, UM, THEY'RE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROGRAM.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE, THOSE PERCENTAGE OF SPACES AT THIS TIME IN THE DESIGN.

WE WILL HAVE THAT BY THE TIME WE COME BACK FOR FULL DENSITY BONUS.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER, TANA GUCCI.

YEAH, I, I LOVE THIS CONCEPT, UM, AND I LOVE THAT PUBLIC PLAZA, BUT WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND GONNA BE A GROUND LEVEL AND IT IS A ROOFTOP, LIKE A GREEN ROOF PLAZA.

SO I'M WONDERING WHAT'S THAT EXPERIENCE GONNA BE LIKE ALONG THE EDGE OF THAT, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF LIKE WALK TO THE EDGE AND IT DROPS OFF LIKE SIX STORIES.

LET US, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

LET US PULL UP THE IMAGERY TO TALK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

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OR THE GET YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE SITE, THE, THE PLAN, THE, THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING HERE, WHAT HAPPENS AT THE EDGE RIGHT THERE WHERE IT KIND OF JUST DROPS OFF FROM THE PLAZA.

SO THE PLAZA'S GONNA BE VERY LUSHLY LANDSCAPED.

UM, IT'LL HAVE, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT SEATING AREAS.

IT'LL HAVE A, AN AREA FOR, UH, CHILD PLAY.

UM, WE'RE EVEN HAVING A, UM, UH, SOME SORT OF AN AQUATIC FEATURE ON THE PLAZA AS WELL ALONG THE EDGES.

UH, IT'S, THE CONCEPT IS TO HAVE, UH, GLASS RAILING, UM, PROBABLY BEHIND A PLANTER, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE, UH, THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDES, ALONG THE WEST SIDE, WHERE YOU CAN GET THE GREAT VIEWS OF THE, UH, CAPITOL BUILDING.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS KIND OF, UM, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PODIUM, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A, UM, A HIGHLIGHTED KIND OF, UM, MINIATURE PLAZA SPACE THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE PERFORMANCES, UM, SMALL SCALE PERFORMANCES THERE, BUT REALLY WHERE YOU CAN, YOU, IT ACTUALLY KIND OF BULBS OUT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE BUILDING EDGE.

AND SO YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THESE SWEEPING VIEWS OF WATERLOO PARK AND THEN THE CAPITAL.

AND OF COURSE, UH, THE HILL IS BEYOND.

UM, BUT THAT'S THE EDGE THAT WE HOPE IS CONNECTING YOU TO THE GREATER ENERGY OF THE, OF THE DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY WITH WATERLOO AND, AND RED RIVER.

SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEBODY COULD JUST WALK RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE AND KIND OF LEAN OVER AND LOOK OVER AND SEE A, SEE THAT DROP OR SEE THAT ALLEY BLOW? NO, WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, A GLASS RAIL THAT'LL BE TALL ENOUGH IN ORDER TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

BUT YOU COULD WALK UP TO THE RAIL AND STILL LOOK DOWN THE LEVEL RIGHT THROUGH THE GLASS? YES.

OR OVER THE GLASS OR OVER THE RAIL.

NO, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE TALL ENOUGH THAT THAT WON'T BE A POSSIBILITY.

THAT'S GONNA BE AN INTERESTING EXPERIENCE FOR SURE.

BUT I APPRECIATE IT.

I, I, I LOVE THE PROJECT.

I HOPE IT, THE CONCEPT, LIKE I SAID, BUT I JUST KIND OF LIKE SITTING ON A PLAZA THAT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD BE GROUND LEVEL, AND THEN YOU WALK OVER THE EDGE AND IT DROPS OFF LIKE SIX STORIES.

IT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE, UH, YEAH.

UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR THAT.

I WILL SAY FROM THE, UM, CITY REVIEWER'S PERSPECTIVE TOO, WHAT WE LIKED ABOUT THAT, UM, HIGHER PLAZA, IT'S A VIEW THAT NOT EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC GETS TO SEE.

SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING FROM THERE IS EITHER A PRIVATE, USE A PRIVATE RESTAURANT, OR YOU'RE GOING, THERE'S, SO THERE IS THE ELEMENT OF THAT PLAZA IS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE ANYBODY VISITOR, TOURIST, RESIDENT, UM, THE ABILITY TO LOOK OVER THAT CAPITAL AND WATERLOO PARK, AS NICK WAS SAYING.

SO THAT IS A REAL, UM, IT WAS AN EXCITING ELEMENT FROM THE CITY STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE TO GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EVERYBODY DO ANY ONLINE COMMISSIONERS WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE A PURCHASE.

SORRY, I'LL JUST ADD THAT.

DO ANY ONLINE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER ROLLISON? I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M REALLY EXCITED, UM, CAN SEE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THAT HAS TAKEN TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HIM WHEN YOU COME BACK, UH, FOR THE FORMAL PROCESS, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, SORRY, NOT, NOT FOR RECOMMENDATION, BUT, UH, A RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT TO BRING AN ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE LANDSCAPING AND THE GROUND BOOK PROGRAM AT THE SAME TIME.

THAT'S WELL LABELED.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S A PART THAT WE WILL, WE DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW ANYTHING THAT WE KNEW COULD CHANGE TO MAJORLY SINCE THAT WE'RE AT THAT PROCESS, BUT GREAT SUGGESTION AND ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT WE'LL INCLUDE WITH THE OVERALL DENSITY BONUS APPLICATION.

CENTER? DO YOU KNOW IT? IT IS THE TRAVIS COUNTY CITY'S SOBRIETY CENTER.

COMMISSIONER MINORS.

SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT IN CONTEXT TO SEE, UM, WHAT'S ON SABINE STREET.

UM, AND IS IT ACCURATE THAT THE, UM, NEIGHBOR, UH, THE CURRENT NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET OF THAT NORTH TOWER IS THE AUSTIN SOBERING

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SOBRIETY CENTER.

UM, AND, AND THAT ACTIVITY AND USE WILL CONTINUE.

THAT USE WILL CONTINUE.

AND THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHAT WOULD BE THE RESIDENTIAL LOBBY FOR THAT TOWER? CORRECT.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD QUESTION THE COMPATIBILITY OF THAT.

UM, AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MY KIND OF RETAIL VERSUS, UH, LOBBY, MAYBE SHIFTING THOSE TO SEE IF THERE'S MORE COMPATIBILITY.

I WOULD JUST CONSIDER EXPLORING THAT.

WE WILL CONSIDER IT AND LOOK AT IT.

UM, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AS WELL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INTEGRATED APPROACH.

I CAN SEE THE PROGRAMMING IS A REALLY KEY PART OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CARS A LOT, AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION OF AFFORDABILITY OF VEHICLES IS A PART OF THAT AS WELL.

UM, SO SOMEONE WHO'S MAKING 50%, 60% AMI VEHICLE OWNERSHIP WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THEIR SALARY.

UM, SO BY POTENTIALLY ADDING MORE PROGRAMMING THAT WOULD SUPPORT A CAR-FREE LIFESTYLE, YOU'D BE REALLY ENHANCING THOSE RESIDENTS, UM, LIVES AND POTENTIALLY MAKING MORE MONEY OFF OF RENTING THOSE SPACES AS WELL.

SO ADDING LIKE A BODEGA OR SOME TYPE OF GROCERY, REALLY SUPPORTING THAT 15 MINUTE WALKING CITY.

UM, WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE EXCITED TO LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN WITH AJAC, SEATED TRADER JOE'S AND WHOLE FOODS, BUT THERE'S NO REAL GROCERY OPTIONS FOR CENTER, UM, BOSTONIAN FOLKS OR EAST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN.

UM, IS, HAS THAT BEEN PART OF THE PROGRAMMING CONVERSATION? SO THE RETAIL SPACES WILL BE LEASED, UM, PRI FOR THE MOST PART AT MARKET.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY FAR, UH, PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM HAVING TO REALLY LAUNCH OUR, UH, LEASING PROGRAM SEARCH THE RETAILER SEARCH.

BUT I PERSONALLY, I, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU, A, A BODEGA, UM, AT THIS LOCATION, UM, WITH THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THIS AREA WITH OUR PROJECT, AND THEN OTHERS AROUND OUR PROJECT, UM, WITH THE UNIVERSITY BEING SO CLOSE AND THEN WATERLOO PARK BEING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY INTRIGUING.

AND THEN I WOULD AGREE THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE A, A GREAT AMENITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, YOU HAVE SO MANY COMPLETE OPTIONS FOR, UH, FAMILIES SEEKING TO LIVE DOWNTOWN, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST ONE LITTLE GAP.

UM, I WOULD JUST ADD 100% AGREE.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE.

THE REALLY AWESOME THING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS IT HAS SO MANY FRONTAGES, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT EASILY COULD SLIDE IN THERE.

IT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE, WE, WERE, WE'RE SAYING, OH, IT JUST COULDN'T FIT.

LIKE, THERE'S ACTUALLY OPTIONS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.

AND WITH THE FOOD HALL, THAT'S A COMPLIMENTARY USE TO IT, SO IT'S A GREAT POINT TAKEN.

AWESOME.

UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON DOWNTOWN COMMISSION, UM, AND WITH THE SAFER SIXTH STREET INITIATIVE WAS REALLY ACTIVATING THE PUBLIC SPACES WHILE THEY'RE NOT BEING USED BY BARS.

UM, SO THERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT, WHERE THAT PROCESS IS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS RECOMMENDED WAS KIND OF PROGRAMMING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T GO INTO BARS BUT WANTED TO HANG OUT.

SO IF THERE'S LIKE A CONCERT IN THE PARK, ARE THERE OUTLETS WHERE KIND OF, UM, YOUNGER PEOPLE COULD DO A LITTLE SHOW FOR LIKE FIVE PEOPLE OR 10 PEOPLE.

WE HAVE THE LIVE MUSIC CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, AND THEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ACTIVATE OUR PARKS TO, UM, WITH REALLY SMALL THINGS LIKE OUTLETS OR WATER TAPS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD HELP THAT ALONG.

THAT'S DEFINITELY GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE AND INITIATIVE THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK TO ON HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN YOU'RE 100% RIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? THE PLACE TO PLUG IN A PHONE, IN A WATER BOTTLE STATION THAT REALLY MAKE IT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THOSE ACTIVATIONS THAT ARE BOTH ORGANIC AND INORGANIC.

AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT WITH THE, UH, MUSIC VENUE.

UM, OUR VISION FOR THE MUSIC VENUE IS TO PRIMARILY BE ABOUT LIVE MUSIC FOCUSED ON, UH, LOCAL ARTISTS.

UM, BUT IN, UH, BUT AS A COMPLIMENTARY USE, WE ALSO VIEW THAT AS BEING A EXHIBITION SPACE OR A SPACE FOR, YOU KNOW, POP-UP ART SHOWS, UH, LOCAL ART SHOWS, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT PROGRAMMING, UM, CAPABILITY TO MOVE THE PROGRAMMING, UH, UP TO THE PLAZA LEVEL AND INCORPORATE THAT SPACE.

AND THEN ALSO POSSIBLY, UH, SPILLING OUT ONTO THE STREET BELOW ON RED RIVER.

UH, AS ENGAGEMENT OPTIONS, I THINK IS EXCITING.

AND THOSE ARE REALLY ALL DIFFERENT SCALES, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT IT COSTS TO OPEN A VENUE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM LIKE THE KID WHO WOULD PLAY IN THE DRAG, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, AND STILL KEEPING THOSE OPTIONS,

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AND I, I SEE THAT IN YOUR, UM, SITE PLAN SKETCH.

UH, ONE THING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATES, WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY DRAFTED, WE'VE ADDED A CATEGORY CALLED URBAN FABRIC.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE, A FEW THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE, UM, IS REALLY PLACEMAKING.

UM, AND I SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE, ARE WORKING ON THAT AND WORKING WITH LOCAL ARTISTS, BUT ADAPTIVE, UM, USE SO THAT AS SEASONS CHANGE, UM, MAYBE THERE'S A SHADE CANOPY THAT CAN BE INSTALLED IN THE WINTER, IN THE SUMMER THAT CAN TURN INTO A COVERED PROTECTED SPACE IN THE WINTER THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL GATHER.

I, I DON'T WANNA BE PRESCRIPTIVE IN IT, BUT THINKING ABOUT HOW THE, THE OPEN SPACE CAN REALLY BE ENGAGING FOR DIFFERENT CONDITIONS SO THAT IT'S SOMEPLACE PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO GATHER THAT.

THAT'S DEFINITELY OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL SEASON, ALL TIME OF DAY, ALL, YOU KNOW, STAGE OF YOUR LIFE, WHETHER YOU'RE, UH, YOUNG AND SINGLE WITH BOTH FAMILIES.

UM, WE WANNA MAKE IT AS COMFORTABLE FOR ALL, UH, ALL CITIZENS AND ALL VISITORS AND, UM, CERTAINLY THE, THE, THE PLAZA DESIGN AND THE, UM, LIKE THE GERMAN ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THE ABILITY TO TO PLACE SHADE TREES UP THERE ARE SOME SORT OF SHADE AND, UM, HAVE IT BE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ABILITY TO, TO ENJOY AT ALL TIMES IS DEFINITELY OUR GOAL.

GREAT.

AND I WOULD JUST ADD FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN VERY EXCITED IN THROUGHOUT OUR CONVERSATIONS IS THIS IS OF EXTREMELY UNIQUE PROPERTY.

SINGLE MOM WHO WORKS AT THE HOSPITAL AND AID, UM, CAN BE HERE AND WALK TO WORK.

SO SPEAKING TO YOUR PARKING ISSUE, SHE CAN ALSO HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY A PLAY SCAPE, UM, A CHILDCARE CENTER ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

UM, WE ALSO SEE IT AS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE AT THE HOSPITAL AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMING OUT OF A PANDEMIC WHERE THERE ARE SO MUCH STRESS, UM, FOR THE, BOTH THE EMPLOYEES AND THE PEOPLE FACING, YOU KNOW, GRAVE CHALLENGES JUST A FEW BLOCKS AWAY, THAT THIS PLAZA CAN BE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN FIND RESPITE A MEAL, UM, MEET WITH SOMEONE AND BE OUT OF THAT AREA.

AND IT ALSO MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE SOMEBODY CAN DRIVE IN PARK, YOU GO TO WATERLOO, GO TO THE CAPITOL, SPILL OVER, UM, ON THEIR FAMILY VACATION.

SO WE CAN, WE'VE SEEN IN TALKS WITH ASPEN HEIGHTS ABOUT JUST REALLY ALMOST ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT CAN BE SERVED.

AND, AND ALL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, THEY'VE HEARD THAT AND RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE PROFORMA AND THE FINANCIALS.

IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S INTEREST TO HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE THERE AS MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WE CAN GET THEM, BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.

UM, THIS IS DEFINITELY A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALL PUT IN INTO CREATING SOMETHING HIGHER OR BETTER.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANT TO MOVE? YEAH, CHAIR, CHAIR.

I HAVE ONE COMMENT.

UH, A COMMENT TO YOUR COMMENT IS IT ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY SAW A PROJECT THAT WAS ON THAT SITE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35, WHERE THE SAFEWAY USED TO BE.

AND IT WAS A PRETTY LARGE HOUSING COMPLEX.

I DON'T THINK IT EVER, UH, UH, DEVELOPED, BUT THEY INTRODUCED THE GROCERY STORE OR BODEGA THERE AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT, AND WE DIDN'T ASK THEM TO DO THAT.

WE THOUGHT THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT IDEA.

IT IS KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU BRING UP, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CARS.

THE CLOSEST GROCERY STORE APPARENTLY IS THE, UH, ONE ON H HEB ON SEVENTH AND PLEASANT VALLEY.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, UH, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION LIKE IS LIKE THERE, BUT THAT, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT, UH, OPPORTUNITY.

AND THE, THE GROCERY STORE WAS ALSO GONNA FOCUS ON KIND OF THAT, THAT INCOME LEVEL TO WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE A SEVEN-ELEVEN KIND OF A RIPOFF KIND OF A THING.

IT WAS GONNA ACTUALLY, UH, OFFER, UH, SPARE PRICES AND WHATEVER IT WAS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THIS MANY HOUSING UNITS.

THAT'S IT.

DO WE HAVE ANY, YES.

COMMISSIONER SALINAS? UM, THIS IS GREAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT MEET'S A MUCH NEEDED DEMAND.

WE, WE HAVE FOR AFFORDABILITY, BOTH ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

UM, I REALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE WITH THIS PLAZA.

UM, A QUESTION I HAVE ON THE SOUTH TOWER, AND THOSE ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL, THOSE PLAZAS THAT I SEE IN THE SITE PLAN.

SO THE, THE SOUTH TOWER IS, IS AMENITIES FOR THE RES FOR THE RESIDENCE ONSITE.

THE, THE NORTH TOWER CONTAINS THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT PUBLIC PLAZA OPEN TO EVERYONE DURING, YOU KNOW, NORMAL PARK HOURS.

AND THAT'S, THE SOUTH TOWER HAS THE AFFORDABLE

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UNITS IN IT.

THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE HEIGHT OF THAT HOTEL? HOTEL? UM, THERE, THERE ARE, UH, AS, AS I, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S ACTIVE BUILDING PERMITS ON IT, AND THEY'RE, UM, I THINK THEY'RE LIMITED TO A 15 TO ONE F A R AT THE, AT THE MOMENT.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE.

WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE.

YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE VIEWS OF THAT TOWER AND YES.

AND WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY, UM, DESIGNED THAT SOUTH TOWER AS A POINT TOWER BASICALLY PULLING THE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM, UH, COMPONENT OF THAT TOWER BACK SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE, YOU KNOW, VIEWS AND LIGHT IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S, UH, ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

WE'VE SPENT AN HOUR ON ONE PROJECT, .

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TOWARD A POSSIBLE ACTION? I WILL.

WE HAVE COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.

WE HAVE A SECOND FROM ROLLON.

JESSICA, DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION? NO, I'M HAPPY TO SECOND IT.

? YES, MAKE THE MOTION, THE MOTION THAT THIS PROJECT DOES SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLY WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

UH, LET'S TAKE IT TO A VOTE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER RSON GAVE YOU A SECOND ON THAT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, ALRIGHT, LET'S TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS LETTER WITH SUPPORT COMING YOUR WAY.

WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU IN THE NEXT WEEK.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU, YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

MADAM CHAIR FOR THE RECORD.

COMMISSIONER CAROL, DEPUTY HUGHES FROM THAT VOTE.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

DISCUSSION, DISCRETION, AND

ITEM THREE.

WE WILL FINISH THIS IN LESS THAN AN HOUR.

[3. Discussion and possible action to determine whether the project 410 East 5th Street, located at 410 East 5th Street, complies with the Urban Design Guidelines for the City of Austin in accordance with Land Development Code § 25-2-586 (C)(1)(a)(ii). Presented by Leah Bojo, Drenner Group, PC.]

POSSIBLE ACTION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROJECT 4 4 10 EAST FIFTH STREET, LOCATED AT 14 EAST FIFTH STREET, COMPLIES WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN, PRESENTED BY LEAH BOJO FROM THE DRER GROUP.

HELLO COMMISSIONERS.

I'M LEAH BOJO WITH JOINER GROUP HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WILSON CAPITAL.

I'M JOINED BY OUR TEAM, UM, THE ARCHITECTS, UM, BRAD WILKINS AND SHEK FROM HKS.

WE HAVE NUDGE LANDSCAPE HERE, UM, PHILIP KOSKI.

AND THEN OUR, UM, REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING TEAM ARE HERE AS WELL, UH, KIMLEY HORTON.

UM, SO, UM, HERE WE GO.

SO WE'RE HERE FOR FOUR 10 EAST FIFTH STREET.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO TO ORIENT EVERYONE, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE HALF BLOCK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN TRINITY AND TRINITY AND NCHE.

UM, THE SITE HAS EXCELLENT ACCESS TO A VARIETY OF THINGS.

THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE FUTURE BLUE LINE, UM, BRUSH SQUARE PARK, OF COURSE, WALL CREEK TRAIL, LADYBIRD LAKE, AND THE LANCES ARMSTRONG BIKEWAY.

UM, THE SITE IS ZONED CBD AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY CBD ZONING OTHER THAN THE PARK.

UM, AND WE DID GO TO, UM, HISTORICALLY LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR RELEASE OF THE HISTORIC, UH, RELEASE OF THE MILITIA PERMIT, AND IT WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY.

UM, THIS PROJECT IS, UM, AN ADMINISTRATIVE DENSITY BONUS APPROVAL.

UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 0.8 ACRE SITE, AND WE'RE REQUESTING ABOUT 23 TO ONE F A R.

UM, THIS WILL BE TOPPING OUT AT ABOUT 1,035 FEET, UM, 80.

THAT'S 80 STORIES WITH 450 FOR RENT MULTIFAMILY UNITS, UM, WITH A COMMERCIAL PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED FIRST FLOOR.

UM, IT'LL ALSO HAVE, UM, 600 CAR PARKING SPACES, WHICH WILL BE UNBUNDLED FROM THE RENTS OF THE APARTMENTS.

10% OF THOSE WILL BE, UM, EV SPACES.

AND WE'LL HAVE 160 BIKE PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE COMBINED WITH 32 SPACES OUTSIDE THE GARAGE.

SO IT'S ALMOST 200 BIKE PARKING SPACES, UM, WHICH I'M EXCITED TO, TO SHARE WITH YOU.

UM, ALSO JUST TO ORIENT YOU SORT OF TO WHERE WE ARE LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN, THE SITE IS WITHIN THE CORE WATERFRONT AREA AND AGAIN, UNDER THE 25 TO ONE F A R PROGRAM.

THE PROJECT WILL FULLY COMPLY, OF COURSE, WITH THE DENSITY BONUS GUIDELINES.

UM, SO, UM,

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UM, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES WITH HERE WITH YOU TODAY.

UM, WE'LL ALSO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH GREAT STREETS COMPLIANCE, THE A E G B, UM, TWO STAR RATING.

WE'RE AIMING FOR THREE STARS, UM, AND THEN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AS REQUIRED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE WORKING GROUP DETERMINED THAT WE DO SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLY.

I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT LETTER IN YOUR BACKUP.

UM, SO I'LL BE WALKING THROUGH THE OVERALL COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEAM, UM, AND NOT TAKING NECESSARILY THROUGH EACH DETAIL, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY OF COURSE, TO DELVE IN AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UM, SO AS I STATED, WE'LL BE EXCEEDING THE AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BAR, GREEN BUILDING TWO STAR REQUIREMENT.

UM, BIG PICTURE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE THAT FEASIBLE ARE A SERIES OF DESIGN DECISIONS, THE LOCATION OF THE SITE, AND A FOCUS ON ENERGY PERFORMANCE.

UM, FOR OUR COMMUNITY BENEFIT BONUS AREA, WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO OUR BONUS AREA IS, UM, 492,980 SQUARE FEET OUT OF A TOTAL SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SIX FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX GROSS SQUARE FEET, UM, WHICH WILL BE SATISFYING WITH THE FEE IN LIEU OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING TOTALING JUST UNDER 6 MILLION.

UM, AND THIS CALCULATION IS BASED ON THE NEWLY ADOPTED DENSITY BONUS FEE OF $12 PER SQUARE FOOT.

UM, AND HERE WE HAVE, UM, THE GREAT STREETS STANDARDS, WHICH I'LL JUST GO OVER HIGH LEVEL AND THEN I'LL LET OUR TEAM GET INTO IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

UM, JUST TO, AGAIN, TO SORT OF ORIENT YOU PER THE, AS M P FIFTH STREET IS CLASSIFIED AS A COMMUTER STREET, WHILE TRINITY IS LOCAL ACCESS, AND NCHE IS MIXED MODE.

UM, SO WE ARE, UM, DESIGNING OUR STREETS AND OUR SIDEWALKS TO, UM, TO MEET THOSE GREAT STREETS REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LINE SORT OF DOWN THE MIDDLE, ACROSS THE MIDDLE OF THAT SIDE.

AND I, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, COMPONENT OF THE SITE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR, UM, DOWNTOWN PARK'S OVERLAY LINE IS.

SO, UM, WE HAVE A 60 FOOT SETBACK AT 120 FEET, WHICH WAS A MAJOR, UM, DESIGN DRIVER, UM, FOR THE SITE, WHICH I'LL LET CHI TALK ABOUT HERE IN MORE DETAIL.

CHEER BRAD.

UM, AND I WILL HAND OFF AT THIS POINT TO THEM.

UM, HI.

GOOD, GOOD EVENING.

UM, MY NAME'S CHI LEE.

UH, SO I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PLANNING OF THE BUILDING, UM, AND HOW WE CONFIGURED THE GROUND FLOOR TO COMPLY WITH THE GREAT, WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

UM, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE IS THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS ON THE NORTH FRONTAGE OF, UH, BRUSH SQUARE.

AND SO THERE IS A ZONING REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, ONCE YOU HIT 120 FEET, YOU HAVE TO STEP THE ENVELOPE BACK 60 FEET, SO THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT DASH LINE REPRESENTS RIGHT THERE.

SO, UM, IN ORDER TO BUILD A TOWER, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT ALL OF YOUR, MOST OF YOUR STRUCTURE AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO STACK.

SO REALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE COULD PUT VERTICAL TRANSPORTATION IS IN THAT HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW ZONE RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET ABOVE 120 FEET, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE CAN GO VERTICAL.

SO THAT DOES, UH, I'M GOING THROUGH THAT BECAUSE IT DOES LIMIT YOU AS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

UM, SO TO THE, TO THE WEST, THERE'S A PARKING RAMP THAT GOES UP, AND THEN TO THE EAST, THERE'S ONE THAT GOES DOWN.

BOTH OF THOSE HAVE TO BE, WELL, THE ONE THAT GOES UP HAS TO BE SOUTH OF THAT DOTTED LINE.

UM, AND SO THAT IS ALSO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ASPECT OF IT THAT HELPS TO SHAPE SORT OF THE GROUND FLOOR AS WELL.

UH, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO PUT AS MUCH OF THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, UH, SPACES OUT TOWARDS THE FRONTAGES.

SO ALONG, UH, TRINITY STREET, ALONG FIFTH STREET AND A LITTLE BIT ON EZ, UM, THERE'S OTHER PARTS AND PIECES OF THE BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO INHABIT THE GROUND FLOOR.

AND SO WITH THOSE OTHER, UH, LIMITATIONS, UM, WE COULDN'T PROGRAM ALL OF FIFTH STREET WITH STOREFRONT.

SO SOME OF THE MORE FUNCTIONAL ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING HAS TO FIT IN THIS ENVELOPE SIDE SOMEHOW.

WE DID MOVE A LOT OF THE BACK HOUSE FUNCTIONS INTO THE BASEMENT OF THE BUILDING.

UM, AND WE'RE ONLY GOING UP PRIMARILY WITH PARKING.

SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF LEVELS OF PARKING ABOVE GRADE, AND THERE'S ABOUT A HALF LEVEL OF PARKING BELOW GRADE ONLY BECAUSE WE MOVED A LOT OF THE BACK OF HOUSE FUNCTIONS DOWN THERE.

AND IT AFFORDED, UM, AN ABILITY TO PUT SOME PARKING SPACES DOWN THERE.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? SO, IN TERMS OF OUR FRONT, WHAT, WHAT WE ARE CALLING OUR FRONT PORCH, WE HAVE THIS REALLY NICELY DESIGNED OUTDOOR CUL SCULPTURE GARDEN, WHICH IS WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL IT.

UM, AND WE SEE THAT AS MORE OF A RESPITE FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE WALKING AROUND THE CITY.

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UM, OKAY.

SORRY, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS, THIS GIVES YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT THE TOWER OVERALL LOOKS LIKE.

THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PRETTY SPECTACULAR VIEWS FROM ANY, ANY PART, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING UP IN THE TOWER.

SO THIS IS THE GROUND FLOOR ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

UM, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE STOREFRONT AND THE SHADE TREES AND THE PARKING ENTRY.

UM, WE, WE HAVE A FULLY SCREENED GARAGE NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE SOUTHEAST BACK TOWARDS THE BUILDING.

AND THIS IS THAT SCULPTURE GARDEN THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

UM, THE COMPONENTS OF IT WE SEE TO BE VERY NICELY DESIGNED.

UM, THINK MORE OF LIKE A NO GUCCI SCULPTURE GARDEN VERSUS IT JUST BEING A LANDSCAPE.

AND THIS IS AN OFFERING BACK TO THE PEDESTRIANS, ESPECIALLY FACING BRUSH SQUARE.

THIS IS LOOKING AT BRUSH SQUARE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE NICE SCULPTURAL, UH, BENCHES, UH, THAT LOOK LIKE JUST NATURAL BOULDERS, UH, MAYBE EVER SO SLIGHTLY SHAPED AND A WATER FEATURE FOR SOUND, UM, TO CREATE A LITTLE MORE, MORE DRAMATIC AND DYNAMIC SPACE.

YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GREAT FRONT EDGE TO THE SQUARE.

UM, IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE ANYBODY CAN COME SIT DOWN, RELAX, UM, AS THEY'RE WALKING AROUND THE HOT TEXAS SUN IN DOWNTOWN.

UM, ANOTHER, ANOTHER HERO SHOT.

SO, BUILDING MATERIALS.

UM, WE TOOK CUES FROM THE AUSTIN LANDSCAPE AND THE HILL COUNTRY, AND WE PICKED MATERIALS THAT WERE, WE FEEL LIKE ARE MORE TIMELESS.

UH, HIGH QUALITY BRINGS THE TONES FROM THOSE LANDSCAPES INTO DOWNTOWN AUSTIN.

UH, THE WATER FEATURE IS ENTIRELY PROGRAMMED WITH CAPTURED WATER FROM THE BUILDING.

PHILLIP, YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE GREAT STREETS? HI, I'M PHILLIP KOSKI.

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, WE HAVE REALLY TRIED HARD TO KIND OF BALANCE THE ACTIVITY ON THE THREE FRONTAGES, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOT OF THE BACK OF HOUSE USES AND TRANSFORMER ROOMS AND GARAGE DO DADS AND ELECTRICAL PANELS AND THINGS.

WE END UP SOMETIMES HAVING A DIFFICULT SIDE THAT GETS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORE THAN ITS FAIR SHARE OF, UH, UTILITIES AND TENDS TO KIND OF, IT, IT WITH UTILITIES COMES NO TREES.

AND, UH, COMES, YOU KNOW, SOME PRETTY HARSH CONDITIONS.

IN THIS CASE, WE'VE TRIED TO HAVE, MAKE SURE THERE'S THREE SORT OF INVITING PORTALS, ONE ON EACH FACE.

SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF RETAIL AND, UH, MAJOR BUILDING KIND OF ANNOUNCEMENTS ON ALL THREE FACES.

BUT I GUESS KIND OF ZOOMING OUT FROM THAT, UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRAINED TO DO HERE, LAYER BY LAYER, START WITH THE TREES.

SO WE WE'RE, UH, BASED IN GREAT STREETS WE'RE REQUIRED TO PLANT A CERTAIN TYPE OF TREE, GENERALLY IN A CERTAIN TYPE OF FASHION.

UH, BUT ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, WE'RE PROVIDING WELL OVER 800 CUBIC FEET OF SOIL PER TREE HERE, RAISING OPEN TREE WELLS, WHICH INVITE LANDSCAPE AND SOFTNESS BACK INTO THE STREET AND INTO THE CITY.

UM, WE'RE USING SUSPENDED PAVEMENT SYSTEMS TO CONNECT TREE WELLS AND SOILS.

SO THESE TREES CAN BAR EXCEED THE LIFESPAN THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE ON OUR DOWNTOWN STREETS.

UM, AND I MENTIONED PLANTING THAT WE HAVE PLANT PROTECTION RAILS TO KEEP PETS AND PEOPLE AND SCOOTERS AND ALL THE REST OF THE BRICK ABRA DOWNTOWN OUT OF OUR PLANTING.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THE, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET WITH A PARK ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S GREENERY AND PLANTING AND SORT OF UTILIZING THAT PLAZA SETBACK AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING WATER INTO THIS ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT CONTEMPLATED FOR THE SORT OF REJUVENATION OF BRUSH SQUARE ACROSS THE STREET.

SO WE'RE BRINGING IT, I THINK, A COMPLIMENTARY ELEMENT TO THE OVERALL PROGRAMMING OF THE PARK SEQUENCE.

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WE'RE NOT USING POTABLE WATER.

AND REALLY THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF HAVE A MIRROR POOL NEAR THE, NEAR THAT, THAT'S SORT OF AN ORIENT, AN ORIGIN FEATURE.

AND EACH AND THE POOL SORT OF APPEARS TO KIND OF GO UNDERGROUND AND POP BACK OUT IN THESE SORT OF STYLIZED LITTLE BASINS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY IT SORT OF SWIRLS DOWN AND DISAPPEARS.

UH, AND IT'S, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT SORT OF EPHEMERAL WATER, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SOUND AND LOOK AS IT SORT OF DANCES THROUGH THE PLANTS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN A NATURALISTIC WAY.

IT'S INSPIRED BY NATURE, BUT IT'S NOT NATURALISTIC, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

AND THE MATERIAL PALLET WE'RE USING IS, UH, EXTREMELY HIGH QUALITY.

ALL THIS MATERIAL IS, YOU KNOW, 20,000 PLUS PSI GRANITE OR LIMESTONE DERIVATIVES.

SO, UM, THESE, THESE MATERIALS ARE BUILT TO LAST AND THEY'RE MILLED WITH PRECISION.

UM, SO WE REALLY SEE THIS AS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, A, A VERY MUCH AN ARTISTIC EXPRESSION OUT OF STONE, MORE SO THAN SORT OF A PILE OF ROCKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE'VE ACCOM, WE'VE, UH, ACCOMMODATED ALL OF THE REQUIRED FURNISHINGS, UH, AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT PER THE GREAT STREETS REQUIREMENTS, UM, WITH SOME SUPPLEMENTS.

UM, YOU SAW THE SORT OF SCULPTURAL BENCHES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OF ACTIVATE CERTAIN AREAS.

THE, UH, AND I, I GUESS, UH, LASTLY, UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE DO RE PROVIDE THE REQUIRED STREET LIGHTING, BUT AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, WALKING DOWN STREETS DOWNTOWN, THE LIGHTS DO A GREAT JOB LIGHTING THE STREET, UH, NOT AS GREAT OF A JOB LIGHTING THE PEDESTRIAN REALM.

SO WE'VE INCLUDED SECONDARY PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING TO TRY AND PROVIDE A, A SUPPLEMENTAL LAYER OF ILLUMINATION, UH, AROUND THE STREETSCAPE.

SO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT CROSS SECTIONS.

UH, THE LEFT HAND SIDE'S, PROBABLY A MORE TYPICAL STREET SCAPE WITH OUR REQUIRED, UH, AMENITY SPACE ON OUR REQUIRED CLEAR SIDEWALK SPACE.

AND THEN THE PRESENCE OF CAFE OR SORT OF STOREFRONT ACTIVATION.

BOTH OF THE, BOTH, UH, BOTH OF OUR SIDE STREETS INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, F AND B PROPOSED F AND B USES THAT DO ALLOW FOR SOME AMOUNT OF STREET ACTIVITY.

UM, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, NOT DISSIMILAR FROM BACKSPACE OR ONE OF THOSE MORE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF SUCCESS ON THESE SORT OF SIDE STREET APPLICATIONS AS WE TRANS TRANSITION OVER TO SIXTH STREET.

AND THEN THE FRONTED SPACE, UH, CHI MENTIONED THERE'S A SETBACK FOR THE TOWER WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE PUSHED THE FACADE BACK AS WELL TO KIND OF CREATE THIS NOOK WITH THE SORT OF SCULPTURAL WATER MOMENT THAT KIND OF, KIND OF VERY LIGHTLY MOVES DOWN THE GRADE, UM, OF THE, OF THE NATURAL GRADE OF THE STREET.

I THINK IF YOU COULD JUST GO, I THINK JUST TWO MORE SLIDES AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN CLOSE THE PRESENTATION AND, UM, MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

SORRY.

UM, THANK YOU.

OH, YOU HAVE TWO MORE SLIDES? OH, NO, NO, WE'RE SET.

WE'RE GOOD.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION? I SO MOVE.

I SO MOVE FOR THE MOTION FOR DISCUSSION.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU.

MOVING THE CONVERSATION TO DISCUSSION.

ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? MINE ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS.

IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, BUT I'M, I'M INTRIGUED WITH US HAVING SAT ON THE COMMISSION NOW FOR EIGHT YEARS OF PROPOSALS THAT COME BEFORE US AND DON'T ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION AS PRESENTED.

SO I'M KIND OF, I HAVE TWO MORE MEETINGS TO FOCUS IN ON THIS .

THE WATER FEATURE, PHILLIP, THERE WAS A WATER FEATURE LIKE THIS AT WHOLE FOODS AT SIX AND LA LAMAR, DOES ANYBODY ELSE REMEMBER IT? YEAH, IT'S GONE.

IT'S FILLED IN.

IT'S GONE.

AND THE REASON WAS IT BECAME A HAZARD, RIGHT? PEOPLE WERE GETTING IN IT, WALKING IN IT, STEPPING OFF IN IT.

THAT'S ONE QUESTION.

THE OTHER ONE IS YOUR COLONY.

THE WHITE DOTS ARE THE COLONY, IS THAT CORRECT? OF THE BUILDING? SO THERE ARE FIVE, I THINK FIVE COLUMNS THAT LAND IN THAT SPACE.

THE CHALLENGE OF WRAPPING A WATER FEATURE AROUND COLUMNS.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE,

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I'M JUST, I'M JUST SO INTERESTED IN THE FEASIBILITY OF IT AND APPLICA, YOU KNOW, HOW IS IT ACTIVATED? I DON'T SEE ANY BENCHES OR THINGS TO SIT ON AND BE IN.

I KNOW IT'S EARLY, I KNOW IT'S REALLY EARLY, BUT IT'S SUCH A SIGNIFICANT ELEMENT IN A STREET SCAPE AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE APPROVING IN THE PUBLIC REALM THAT I'M REALLY JUST TESTING THE, AND ASKING, IS THIS WATER FEATURE GONNA BE BUILT? YEAH.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A WATER FEATURE THAT I THINK, UH, UM, HAD HAD A DIFFICULT RUN IN FRONT OF CITY HALL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME BLOCKS ADDED AROUND IT.

AND I THINK EVENTUALLY IT WAS JUST SORT OF MORE OR LESS DISUSED FOR A SIMILAR REASON THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO INTEGRATED CURBING AND THERE'S NOT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY AN INTEGRATED WAY FOR SOMEONE WITH A, WITH USING A CANE TO DETECT HAZARDS AND THINGS.

AND SO THE, THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HAS A, HAS A CARVED STONE CURBING SYSTEM THAT'S SIX INCHES HIGH.

SO IT DOES HAVE, IT DOES, IT DOES HAVE PROTECTION THAT WOULD FUNCTION FOR MOST ANYTHING.

NO, YOU'RE NOT EVER GONNA KEEP ANYONE OUT OF EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME.

UH, SOMEBODY'S GONNA FIND A WAY, BUT I, I THINK WE'LL ALSO HAVE A RELATIVELY LIGHT WASH OF WATER.

UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT CONTEXT MATTERS TOO, IN THE WHOLE FOODS EXAMPLE WHERE IT WAS EXTREMELY PLAYFUL, AND I'M PRETTY SURE I ACTUALLY GOT INTO THAT WATER FEATURE MAYBE, UH, AT LEAST ONCE.

UM, BUT THE SIX INCHES, I'M GONNA KEEP A KID OUT OF IT, .

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO IN THIS CASE, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE ARE REALLY BEING CAUTIOUS ABOUT THE, THE DEPTH OF THAT WATER, TRYING TO KEEP IT ABOUT AN INCH, UM, VARIES MUCH A SKIM OF WATER.

UM, AND WE HAVE THE CURB PROTECTION THAT I THINK, UH, WE'RE REALLY THINKING WILL SOLVE SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, HAZARD ISSUES.

DO YOU HAVE THE GRADE DROP TO PULL IT OFF FROM POINT A TO POINT B? THERE IS A GRADE I SEE A NODDING OF HEAD.

AND I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE, WE DO HAVE A THREE FOOT DROP ACROSS THE PLAZA THAT HELPS TO, TO REALIZE THAT.

SO THERE'S A REASON FOR IT GOING.

AND THEN WE HAVE A 30 INCH CONSTRUCTABILITY BUFFER FROM, I LIKE A GOOD DETAIL QUESTION, DON'T GET ME STARTED.

UH, WE HAVE A 30 INCH CONSTRUCTABILITY BUFFER FROM MCCOLLUM BASE TO WHERE THE EDGE OF ANY PROPOSED MASONRY WOULD OCCUR.

UM, KNOWING THAT THOSE TWO THINGS DO NOT COEXIST WELL AND DON'T TOUCH EACH OTHER WELL AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO, SO HOW DO I SIT NEXT TO ENJOY YOUR FEATURE? WHY WOULD WE AC HOW LET'S ACTIVATE THIS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A BALANCE OF US TRYING TO PROVIDE EDGES AND PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO PAUSE AND RELAX AND CHECK THEIR MESSAGES AND PROVIDING SORT OF LIKE ROBUST SEATING.

SO WE, WE ARE PROVIDING KIND OF ON THE, WE, WE, WELL, IN ADDITION TO THE ALL THE STREET FURNITURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, RIGHT, RIGHT.

WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM THE FEATURE.

UM, WE DO HAVE ONE STOP BIT STOP OVER NODE THAT HAS LIKE THREE SEATING PEBBLES OR THREE SEATING ELEMENTS WHERE PEOPLE CAN KIND OF STOP SORT OF MIDWAY.

I'M NOT GONNA SIT ON YOUR PEBBLES ON YOUR WHEEL BENCH .

UH, WE COULD LOOK AT BACK SEATING, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NO, I MEAN, 12 FEET AWAY.

WE DO HAVE SOME ON THE STREET.

AND AS PART OF THE GREAT STREETS PROGRAM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE PEBBLES THAT ARE CLOSER WHEN CALL PEBBLES, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE BIG ONES THAT ARE FURNITURE.

THEY'RE BIG.

AND THOSE ARE ONES THAT ARE OVER CLOSER TO THE KIND OF MAIN ENTRY WHERE A LOT OF, WE EXPECT TO SEE A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY.

UM, OKAY.

I JUST, I THINK AS A, WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO, OBVIOUSLY.

I THINK, I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THIS KIND OF AMENITY DESIGN GUIDELINES, I REALLY THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO SIT.

WELL, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE.

UM, AND I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN STUDY SORT OF, UH, WAYS TO INCORPORATE, UM, MORE APPARENT FEATURES MM-HMM.

AND THAT ARE, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DIVERSE.

UM, SO THIS IS A VERY PROLIFIC PROJECT, AND I SEE THAT YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF NATIONAL ATTENTION, I THINK FOR THE HEIGHT.

UM, I BELIEVE, UH, CNN AND BLOOMBERG HAVE BOTH REPORTED ON THIS.

UM, SO CLEARLY IT'S GETTING A LOT OF VISIBILITY.

UM, NOW I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

UM, I, I THINK IT'S EXCITING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I AM, UH, LEADING KIND OF A SUB, UH, GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LOOKING AT, UH, PLAZA THE, THE SECTION RELATED TO, UH, PLAZAS AND OPEN SPACES IN PARTICULAR MM-HMM.

AND I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF HARDSCAPING.

UM, AND ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS IS RESPECT FOR THE FOUR MAIN PLAZAS IN DOWNTOWN, WHICH YOU ARE RIGHT

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ACROSS THE STREET FROM.

UM, SO I THINK GIVEN THAT, UH, PROXIMITY ALSO, UM, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO THE CONVENTION CENTER, UM, I THINK YOUR BUILDING IS GONNA SET A CERTAIN TONE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

MM-HMM.

AND, UH, I THINK, UM, IN REGARD TO, UH, PROVIDING A MORE ACTIVATED STREET SCAPE THAT DOES CONNECT WITH THE PLAZAS, I SEE THERE IS A LOT OF FRONTAGE DEDICATED TO THE LOBBY, UM, WHICH I'M NEVER A FAN OF BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU JUST FROM WALKING AROUND AND YOU CAN DO THE SAME, UM, THAT THEY DON'T TRULY ACTIVATE THE SPACE.

UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY POTENTIALLY, UM, TO, UH, EXCHANGE SOME OF THAT HARDSCAPE FOR, UM, FOOD VENDOR STALLS, UM, FOR FOOD TRUCKS.

UM, HAVING THAT, UH, IMPLEMENTED INTO, UM, THAT FIRST FLOOR WILL NOT ONLY PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS, UH, YOU KNOW, AND GUESTS OF THAT BUILDING, UH, THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE, THE PARK, UM, TO TAKE THAT AND THEN GO INTO THE PARK.

THERE'S A PUBLIC BATHROOM CLOSE BY, SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT AS AN AMENITY MM-HMM.

UM, AND I THINK, UH, IN GENERAL, UM, THAT IS REALLY LACKING TO SAY THAT IT'S SIGNIFICANT, LIKE THAT IT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIES WITH URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

I THINK THAT'S THE ONE STICKING POINT FOR ME.

EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE A, A BIG ISSUE WITH, I THINK THE ONLY, ONLY OTHER THING I WILL MENTION IS THE, AGAIN, THE PARKING PODIUM.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE CREATED THESE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, WE DIDN'T KNOW, UH, THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE WOULD SEE THESE PARKING PODIUMS THAT ARE VERY DIVISIVE IN THE CITY.

UM, AND I THINK THAT, AGAIN, GIVEN THE PLACEMENT OF THIS IN A PROMINENT, UH, AREA, UM, IN ALL RESPECTS, UH, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY PLACE MAKE AS PART OF THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, UH, BUT ALSO INCORPORATE PUBLIC ART, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM, UM, OTHER PROJECTS.

YEAH, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART AND THINKING ABOUT SEATING OPTIONS AND IN THAT AREA.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T TECHNICALLY QUALIFY AS A PLAZA, SO IT'S JUST PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT PEOPLE FROM THE PARK WOULD, COULD COME OVER THERE AND SIT, IT IS SHADED AND COVERED THAT IT IS KIND OF AN ENTRY TO THE PARK.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD IDEAS HERE THAT WE CAN, CONS WE CAN CONSIDER AS WE MOVE THROUGH DESIGN.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.

CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI.

UH, WELL, I WAS THE ONE THAT WROTE THE ME, UH, THE MEMO.

AND EVEN THOUGH I, I KIND OF WROTE THE MEMO BASED ON THE WHOLE GROUP'S COMMENTS, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF A LOT OF THOSE WORKING GROUP COMMENTS AT THE END WERE REALLY ADDRESSED.

I THINK ONE OF THE ONES I WAS REALLY CONCERNED WITH WAS KIND OF THE STREET LEVEL WINDOWS, AND IT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP KIND OF INDIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK THE WATER FEATURES REALLY NICE AND LE UH, TEA KIND OF MENTIONED IT AS KIND OF A NO GUCCI THING, BUT YOU WOULD THINK THAT THAT AREA THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME IN, IN AND OUT.

YOU'D HAVE SOME TRANSPARENCY BEHIND THAT WATER FEATURE.

AND I MENTIONED THAT MAYBE WE COULD MOVE SOME OF THE, UH, CAFE OR WHATEVER IT IS, ACTIVITIES OVER TO THAT AREA, SO YOU COULD KIND OF LOOK OUT ON THAT, AND YOU COULD ALSO LOOK IN AND SEE THAT ACTIVITY.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT ADDRESSED VERY WELL.

AND THEN THE THING ABOUT PUBLIC ART, SOMEBODY IN OUR GROUP BROUGHT UP THE DEAL ABOUT PUBLIC ART IN SAYING THAT THE BENCHES, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL AND ALL, BUT WHO'S GONNA RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S PUBLIC ART.

AND I THINK WHAT WE LOOK AT IS PUBLIC ART IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF, KIND OF LIKE REFLECTS AUSTIN'S CULTURE IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A MURAL, WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT, UH, THOSE TWO THINGS, THOSE TWO ITEMS TO ME WERE NOT ADDRESSED, UH, IN YOUR PRESENTATION.

SO COULD YOU KIND OF, LEAH, COULD YOU KIND OF EXTRAPOLATE ON THAT, PLEASE? WE DID.

WE HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART ASPECT SINCE WORK, COMING TO THE WORKING GROUP.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DEFINITIVE, WHICH IS WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL IN OUR PRESENTATION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE CONSIDERING IN THAT WALL AREA THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, AS WELL, UM, WE DO HAVE, WE ARE PLANNING ON, UM, HAVING, UH, OUTDOOR SEATING AS PART OF BOTH OF THE, OF THE RETAIL COMMERCIAL SPACES.

SO I THINK THERE COULD BE OP ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO WRAP THAT AROUND AS WELL TO KIND OF BRING SOME OF THE ACTIVITY AROUND THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER AS WELL.

WE DO HAVE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER WITH THE PARK'S OVERLAY AND THE, AND HAVING THE CORE HAVE TO BE WHERE IT IS AND THE DRIVEWAYS HAVE TO BE WHERE THEY ARE, UM, IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONSTRAINTED SITE THAN IT MIGHT APPEAR AT FIRST GLANCE.

UM, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE COULD DO ALONG THE LINES OF THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THAT, UM, THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT ACTIVATION AND, AND THAT CONNECTION TO THE PARK AND ALL, AND ALL OF THAT.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

COMMISSIONER WATLEY? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

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YOU WERE POINTING.

COMMISSIONER SALINAS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, JUST GOING BACK ON COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI'S COMMENTS, UM, YEAH, WE HAD SPOKE ABOUT THE LAST TIME WE HAD MET ABOUT THE, THE LOBBY AND THE ENTRANCE, AND THEN THAT WHOLE FACADE, THERE'S NO WINDOWS CORRECT, EXCEPT FOR THOSE LOBBY DOORS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND SO, TO ME, MY, MY EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH, WITH THAT IS THAT I, I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS, WE WON'T CALL IT A PLAZA, WHAT ARE WE CALLING IT? PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.

PUBLIC OPEN SPACE .

UM, THAT IT'S, IT'S A PLACE TO REFLECT.

BUT I, I THINK I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH BEING INVITED TO REFLECT THE INVITATION TO COME IN AND FEEL THAT IT'S A SPACE IN WHICH YOU CAN SIT AND REFLECT.

UM, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THAT BACK WALL.

UH, YOU KNOW, BRINGING PUBLIC ART WILL HELP A LOT.

UM, AND THEN ALSO TO ME, THAT ENTRANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT IS A, A VERY, UH, ISOLATED SPOT.

AND SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY INTEGRATE THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE WITH THAT STAIR.

AND THEN YOU GOT THE OTHER FOOD AND BEVERAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, WHICH YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CROSS THROUGH THESE TWO DRIVES.

AND SO, UM, YEAH, AND THINKING ABOUT THOSE BENCHES AS PUBLIC SPACE, UM, YEAH, WHAT ARE WE UNDER SIX STORIES OF PARKING GARAGE THERE? WHAT DO WE HAVE ON TOP OF THAT? AND SO I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL SPACE.

UM, BUT YEAH, I FEEL LIKE IT, THERE'S SOME SORT OF DISCONNECTION THERE BETWEEN YOUR LOBBY AND, AND, AND BEING INVITED INTO THAT SPACE.

WE CAN DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT WAYS THAT PEOPLE ARE INVITED THROUGH.

UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING BECAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS, ALL THE AMENITIES THAT ARE AROUND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE CONVENTION CENTER, WALLER CREEK, ALL THOSE THINGS.

I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.

AND OUR SIDEWALKS ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE, EVEN A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN GREAT STREETS REQUIRES.

SO I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CROSS TRAFFIC ACROSS THAT CORNER, KIND OF DOWN THAT SIDE AND ACROSS THAT CORNER.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WE, BUT WE DON'T WANNA JUST RELY ON THAT.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE INVITING PEOPLE IN.

SO I THINK WE CAN THINK ABOUT, UM, ART AND LANDSCAPING THAT MIGHT MAKE THAT PLACE FEEL A LITTLE WARMER.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LUKINS.

OF COURSE.

WELL, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A HANDSOME BUILDING, BUT, UH, I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THAT MORE THAN HALF OF IT IS BONUS.

AND, UH, AND OTHER THAN THE 5.9 MILLION, WHICH OF COURSE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, JUST, JUST SEEMS TO BE SOMEWHAT LACKING AND IT'S PUBLIC BENEFIT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE'RE IN BLOOMBERG, WHICH IS, I GUESS, A PUBLIC BENEFIT OF SERVICES .

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT ONE COMMENT.

AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY WORKING WITH THE WORKING GROUP ON DESIGN STANDARDS, BECAUSE THE FACT OF THIS MEET DESIGN STANDARDS AND IS A MORE THAN 50% BONUS BUILDING JUST, JUST MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED.

COMMISSIONER CARROLL, THANK YOU.

UH, I AGREE.

IT'S A, IT IS A VERY STRIKING BUILDING, UH, THIS FIRST TIME I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CONSTRAINTS THAT, THAT YOU HAD, ESPECIALLY THE, THE SHALLOWNESS THAT YOU HAD LEFT WITH THE BUILDING.

AND FOR A LOT OF REASONS IT MAKES SENSE PUTTING THE, UH, UTILITIES, UH, UNDERGROUND.

THAT SAID THAT IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IS, IS THE TRADE OFF WORTH IT OF DOING ONE LEVEL UNDERGROUND AND, AND, AND HAVING THAT CURB CUT ON NICHES, UH, BECAUSE IT DOES REALLY CREATE A BIG SEPARATION, UH, THAT F AND B IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.

UM, BUT, UH, REALLY, I GUESS IT, YOU KNOW, MY MIND KIND OF GOES TO WHERE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN, AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS ALL ABOUT THE SQUARE AND, AND THIS PLAZA AND I OR OPEN SPACE.

UM, AND I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO GIVE Y'ALL THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

UM, THAT SAID, THE VANTAGE POINT OF THESE RENDERINGS DON'T REALLY HELP YOUR CASE.

I JUST THINK IT DOESN'T CONVEY A LOT OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM'S REALLY FAR AWAY, THE OTHER ONE'S KIND OF STARING AT A COLUMN, AND SO IT JUST, IT'S HARD TO KIND OF SEE A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, AND, AND SO

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YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST HARD TO CONVEY THAT, UM, OR TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THESE, WITH THESE IMAGES.

UM, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS, THE, AS I THINK IT WAS VICE CHAIR MYERS POINTED OUT, THE, THE LOBBY SEEMS REALLY LARGE.

UM, IS THERE PROGRAM SPACE IN THAT LOBBY FOR THE RESIDENTS? IS THAT WHY IT'S KIND OF EXTENDS TO THE EAST? YEAH, A LOT OF THAT IS PROGRAM SPACE, UH, STUFF THAT WOULD NORMALLY MAYBE GET RECONFIGURED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE GROUND FLOOR.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE, ALL THE CONSTRAINTS WITH THE CORE AND THE RAMP ACCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHERE, WHERE IT ENDED UP.

AND WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE THOSE MATERIALS? UH, METAL PANEL AND STONE? UM, PRIMARILY.

SO LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE PODIUM, THEY'RE ALL, UH, METAL PANEL FINS.

UM, THE BRIO LAY THAT YOU SEE GOING UP THE TOWER, A LOT OF THAT IS, UH, FORMED METAL PANEL.

UM, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ENERGY EFFICIENT GLASS AND GLAZING ON THE TOWER ITSELF.

AND THE STONE IS PRIMARILY ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

WE'RE FOCUSING TOUCH IT.

GOTCHA.

UH, OKAY.

APPRECIATE YOU COMMISSIONER ROLLON.

HELLO.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ECHO A LOT OF WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING, AND I THINK CHAIR COMMISSIONER MCCALL, UM, SUMMED UP AND WRAPPED UP QUITE NICELY.

REALLY BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THE LANDSCAPING IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL.

SO I COMMEND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONSULTANTS ON CREATING SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL IN THAT SENSE.

UM, BUT I WONDER IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY OF THE WAY THE LOBBY IS LAID OUT, UM, CREATING SOME FLOW OR PROGRAMMING TO EXPERIENCE THEM AND INVITE PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE, THE BEAUTIFUL, UM, LANDSCAPING CREATED IN THAT PUBLIC MARKET SPACE.

UM, WHETHER IT'S MORE DOORS OR, UH, RECONFIGURING THE FOOD BEVERAGE, THAT, THAT CONNECTS BETTER TO THAT SPACE.

UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER .

A DIVERSITY OF SEATING MIGHT HELP, EVEN THOUGH I, IT IT HAD TO, HAD TO GRAPPLE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE PURITY OF THE SPACE YOU'VE CREATED WITH THOSE BEAUTIFUL PEBBLES IS REALLY APPEALING.

BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE PLACE THAT FEELS A LITTLE INCLUSIVE.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT WAS A RAMBLING, RAMBLING COMMENT.

UM, I HOPE IT WAS HELPFUL.

UH, I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM NEARLY EVERYONE.

UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR AN ACTION? COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? I NEVER DO THIS.

I THINK THE BUILDING IS SPECTACULAR.

I THINK THE LANDSCAPE CONCEPT IS STRONG.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH PUBLIC BENEFIT.

I, I AM JUST STRUGGLING WITH IT BECAUSE I, MY THUMBS ARE ALL UP UNTIL I THINK ABOUT THE PUBLIC USING THIS SPACE.

NO MATTER HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS, IT SEEMS, I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SPRINKLED THEIR COMMENTS AROUND, LIKE, YOU, LIKE COMMISSIONER CARROLL SAID, THE, THE SOLID STONE FACADE THAT THE GARDEN BACKS UP AGAINST TO, AGAINST, I, THERE'S NO DENYING THE DESIGN IS THERE ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT JUST THE USABILITY OF THIS SPACE FOR THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SUGGEST TO FIX IT OTHER THAN LACK, IT LOOKS LIKE LACK OF, I'M NOT INVITED TO IT.

I CAN, I, I, I WOULD ENJOY LOOKING AT IT, SEEING IT PUBLISHED OR EVEN USING IT MYSELF.

BUT AS FAR AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC GRAVITATING TO THE SPACE WHEN THE USABILITY OF THE FOOD SERVICES ON EITHER AREA, BUT THERE'S NO REAL EASE OF ACCESS TO THIS FRONTAGE FOR THIS SPACE.

SO I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE PROJECT FOR THAT REASON.

SO MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT THIS PROJECT DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLY WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UNFORTUNATELY.

I SECOND THAT.

UH, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT CAN, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? PLEASE.

KIND OF LAID OUT, AND WHETHER IT'S MORE, UM, UH, SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT KIND OF LEAD INTO THIS DECISION.

SO, SO THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS HERE WHERE COMPLIES WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH ARE KIND OF OUR SPREADSHEET

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SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, AND I WOULD DEFER TO JORGE TO KIND OF LIKE, UH, KIND OF LIKE CLARIFY THIS SITUATION.

JORGE, CAN YOU DO THAT, PLEASE? AND I'M SURE IT'S YOUR CALL.

UH, SURE.

COMMISSION MATANA GUCCI, I'LL REMIND YOU TO PLEASE WAIT UNTIL CALL UPON TO MAINTAIN ORDER IN THE MEETING.

JORGE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE COMMISSION IS CHARGED UNDER THE CITY CODE TO EVALUATE THE PROJECT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION GIVEN TO STAFF, AND STAFF WILL EVALUATE THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS UP TO THE LIMITS OF THE PROGRAM ITSELF.

IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO LAND ON A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PROJECT DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY, OR EXCUSE ME, DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, I DID IT, I DID IT TOO, DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

STAFF WOULD APPRECIATE IN UNDERSTANDING US AS TO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THIS PROJECT TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE AS STAFF IS REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE TO CONSIDER THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE IS ONLY ADDRESSED IN 25,000 200 586 SUBSECTION D OF THE CODE.

SO, BACK TO THE SECOND.

UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PROJECT DOES NOT COMPLY.

UM, I AM LOOKING AT COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI'S MEMO THAT HE WROTE BASED ON THE WORKING GROUP.

IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME POSITIVE ASSUMPTIONS, UM, THAT MAYBE HALF POINTS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PARTIAL COMPLIANCE ON, ON SOME THINGS.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF HALF POINTS WERE ACCOUNTED, I ASSUME FULL POINTS WERE GIVEN, BUT I THINK WHEN WE READ THE COMMENTS AT THE BOTTOM, NOT, NOT ALL OF THE COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S TIPPING THE, THE COMMISSION TO LEAN TOWARD THIS CONVERSATION OF, UM, NOT A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE, IS THAT, UM, CONSIDERATION WAS NOT GIVEN TO THE WORKING GROUP COMMENTS.

UM, AND SO IT JUST DIDN'T REALLY QUITE TIP TO SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE VIA COMMENT.

UM, DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE TO VOTE? COMMISSIONER LUKINS? YEAH, COMMISSIONER WATLEY.

I'M SORRY.

THANK, THANK YOU.

YEAH, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, FOR ME, ALL THE, UH, ELEMENTS OF URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, I DON'T REALLY SEE THEM AS EQUAL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOW A BUILDING MEETS THE STREET.

UM, AND THE QUALITY OF THAT STREET SCAPE, TO ME, IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL OF THEM.

AND THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THIS PROJECT STRUGGLES.

SO WHY I THINK THE WORKING GROUP DID IDENTIFY A LOT OF, UH, AREAS WHERE THE PROJECT DOES MEET OUR URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, WHAT I SEE IS MYSELF AND OTHERS REALLY STRUGGLING WITH WHAT I THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING INTERIOR CAN BE BEAUTIFUL.

IT CAN BE WELCOMING.

A STREET SCAPE CAN BE BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEY REALLY GOTTA WORK TOGETHER.

AND, UM, I THINK THE, I FIND THE LANDSCAPE COMPELLING.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME IDEAS OF THIS I REALLY LIKE, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT RELATIONSHIP TO THE BUILDING, EITHER THE LOBBY OR INTERIOR SPACES OR THE, UH, THE RETAIL SLASH RESTAURANT SPACES ARE KIND OF AROUND THE CORNER AND IT'S JUST, UH, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS BECAUSE THE DIMENSIONAL CONSTRAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE MIGHT BE A WAY AROUND IT, BUT IT'S, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND, AND THE PROJECT'S STRUGGLING HERE WITH THIS ONE.

SO, UM, YEAH.

MA MADAM CHAIR, I MAY MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

UH, YES, JORGE, THANK YOU.

JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE CODE REQUIRES THE COMMISSION TO EVALUATE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING WHETHER THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THERE, THERE'S BEEN QUITE A AMOUNT OF CONFUSION.

I DID IT MYSELF THIS EVENING SAYING SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE COMES INTO PLAY WHEN THERE ARE CHANGES IN DESIGN OF A PROPOSED BUILDING.

THAT'S AFTER THE PROJECT HAS MET THE GATEKEEPER REQUIREMENTS.

WHEN THERE ARE CHANGES IN DESIGN OF A PROPOSED BUILDING, IF THE DESIGN OF A BUILDING CHANGES AFTER A BONUS IS GRANTED UNDER THIS SECTION 25, 2586, THAT DIRECTOR SHALL REVIEW THE NEW DESIGN STAFF FOR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

SO, STAFFS APPRECIATES THAT YOU ARE QUANTIFYING SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE, ALTHOUGH THAT IS NOT REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE.

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WHEN THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED BUILDING, THE DIRECTION GIVEN TO THE COMMISSION BY THE COUNCIL UNDER THE CODE IS TO TWO, EVALUATE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING WHETHER THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THERE'S NOT A QUALIFIER OF SUBSTANTIAL IN THERE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

ALRIGHT, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHANGE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? I WOULD STATE THAT IT DOES NOT COMPLY.

UM, I DO WANNA HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, LOOKING BACK SOME PROJECTS THAT HAD SIMILAR ISSUES AND HOW THEY WERE REMEDIED.

UM, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS AND, UM, AND WE'RE NOT THE DESIGN TEAM, OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, THEY HAVE HAD PLACES TO ACTIVATE WITH, LIKE CARTS FOR COFFEE IN THE MORNING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S IT, BUT I THINK WAYS TO ACTIVATE THAT FACADE, SO IT INTERACTS WITH YOUR GARDEN SPACE BETTER.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT WATER FEATURE.

UM, SO THE WATER FEATURE, I'M NOT, AGAIN, I I'M SO TEMPTED TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PUSH TOWARDS A CERTAIN DIRECTION, BUT INTEGRATED MORE WITH THE PUBLIC REALM SO THAT THERE'S MORE ACTIVITY AS A RESULT OF IT, WHICH I THINK IS THE GOAL.

I THINK THAT'S APPARENT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE A, NOT LIKE THIS DESIGN SITUATION.

IT'S, I THINK IT, COMMISSIONER WATLEY SAID IT, IT'S THE WAY THE BUILDING IS INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC SPACE THAT I THINK NEEDS SOME TWEAKING, BUT I HAVE TO STAND WITH MY ORIGINAL.

IT DOES NOT COMPLY BECAUSE OF THAT REASON, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A SOLID FACADE AND THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF ACTIVATION OF THAT WATER FEATURE WITH THE PUBLIC REALM.

NOT ENOUGH.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

MOVE IT TO A VOTE.

UH, DOES DESIGN COMMISSION, UM, YAY OR NAY THAT THE PROJECT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES? YAY.

YAY.

SO ONLINE, YA ROLLON, MELISSA? UH, COMMISSIONER HANO ROBLEDO.

SET A YES OR NO, COMMISSIONER.

TANA GUCCI? I'M ABSTAINING.

CAN I ABSTAIN? MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE A COURTROOM VOTE.

IS THAT FINE? IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY? WAIT, HOLD ON.

SO THAT WAS OKAY.

COMMISSIONER ROLLON OR COLEMAN MINORS? SALINAS LUKES WALEY.

THAT'S QUORUM.

THAT'S FIVE? YES.

DOES THAT INCLUDE THE CHAIR? UH, I DID NOT VOTE.

SO THAT'S 1, 2, 3, 4.

ROON, DID YOU VOTE? I I WAS TRYING TO, TO CHIME IN.

YES, MA'AM.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GROUP TO COME BACK IF THESE SPACES ARE ENGAGING MORE WITH THE PUBLIC? I'M SURE THAT WE COULD COME BACK OR WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER.

UM, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO WRITE A LETTER WITH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, OR I GUESS YOU HAVE THE COMMENTS AND THEN COME BACK NEXT MONTH? IT'S, UM, MAYBE LET'S DECIDE WITH STAFF WHEN WE, WHEN WE WOULD COME BACK.

GO AHEAD.

IF, IF I MAY.

MADAM CHAIR, YOU DO NEED A VOTE, THOUGH.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MOTION FAILED.

SO YOU WOULD NEED A NEW MOTION BEFORE WE, OKAY, WELL, LET'S FINISH COUNTING THE VOTES.

UH, SO MELISSA, YOU WERE ASKING A QUESTION.

I WAS ASKING A QUESTION AND THAT WAS GOING TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE.

DETERMINE THE VOTE EXACTLY.

, BECAUSE IT WASN'T ALRIGHT THERE, MY APOLOGIES.

BUT THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE ITEMS WERE NOT ADDRESSED VIA EVAN'S LETTER, AND THEN THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS HESITANCY OF THE SPACE IS NOT INTER INTERACTING MORE SO AS IS.

NO.

BUT IS THERE POTENTIAL? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER ROLLISON, YOU VOTED YES.

SO THAT'S NOT A YES OR A NO.

UM,

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RIGHT? WELL, I'M ALSO, I'M ALSO ON FENCE, SO I WOULD, WAS ABSTAINING.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UM, KNOW PROCEDURALLY WHAT HAPPENS IF WE, UM, I THINK WE MAKE THE DETERMINATION AFTER WE VOTE, YES OR NO, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DECIDE YES OR NO, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE DETERMINING IF IT'S COMPLYING.

SO, MADAM CHAIR, MY UNDERSTANDING, IF I MAY, IS THAT YOU HAVE FIVE VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO FIND THE PROJECT BEING NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES STATUS SHORT OF A QUORUM, YOU WOULD NEED A NEW MOTION.

CAN I MAKE A NEW MOTION TO THROUGH THE CHAIR, PLEASE? OH, SORRY.

I, WELL, I'M TALKING TO MY MICROPHONE.

CAN I MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO, UM, HAVE THEM, UH, REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI'S, UH, LETTER AND, UH, COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND, UM, HOPEFULLY ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS? JORGE, SPECIFICALLY THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC REALM? YEAH.

COMMISSIONER MINORS.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY WELL CALLED OUT.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S NOT COMPLIANT IN THIS LETTER.

UM, I MEAN, I SEE QUITE A FEW.

I SEE PUBLIC R I SEE STREET SCAPE.

I SEE, UH, THE PLAZA OPEN SPACES.

SO I MEAN, TAKE YOUR PICK.

OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS THAT YOU SEE THE PROJECT IS NOT COMPLIANT AND INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK IN NEXT MONTH'S MEETING, UH, NEXT MONTH, OR, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THEY'RE READY.

AND THAT'S COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.

CHAIR, IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE AMENDING MY MOTION AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION? NO, NO.

MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S IF I MAY, I'M SORRY.

YES, FOR IT, IT IS A NEW MOTION BECAUSE THE LAST MOTION FAILED.

SO THERE'S A NEW MAKER OF THE MOTION.

IT NEEDS A SECOND.

AND WE HAVE A NEW SECOND.

CHAIR.

DID YOU VOTE COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? DID YOU VOTE? I DID NOT VOTE ON THE LAST MOTION.

BUT WE'RE WE, HAVEN'T WE MOVED ON TO THE SECOND MOTION? BUT YOU DIDN'T VOTE ABSTAIN? I ABS COULD I ASK A QUESTION? YES, MA'AM.

UM, WHAT IF I, I FEEL I'M LOOKING AT, RIGHT NOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS THAT YOU ALL HAD MADE OR THE WORKING GROUP HAD MADE, AND WE DID DISCUSS THEM AS A GROUP, UM, YOU KNOW, IN JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE TIME TO INCORPORATE MANY OF THEM, BUT ALTHOUGH WE CERTAINLY INTEND TO INCORPORATE THEM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DON'T COMPLY, BUT SPECIFY THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO WORK ON WITH STAFF AND THEN LET US WORK WITH STAFF ON THOSE ITEMS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE? LIKE, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I, I THINK I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE FROM THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO ACTUALLY MAKE THEM PART OF YOUR MOTION, LIKE THAT WALL, FOR EXAMPLE, AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN UM, WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT AND, AND COME TO A COMPLIANT PLEASE FOR THE PROJECT.

AND MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS, THAT YOU'RE FINDING THE PROJECT NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THE MOTION A SECOND IS THAT WE FIND THE COMMISSION FINDS THE PROJECT NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND THEY WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH SO THAT WE COULD REVIEW AGAIN.

SO WE'RE NOT TURNING THAT OVER TO STAFF.

WE WOULD LIKE THE PROJECT TO COME BACK TO COMMISSION.

COULD WE LEAVE OPEN WHEN WE COME BACK SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME TO WORK THROUGH THEM? YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

THAT'S GREAT.

AND VICE CHAIR MINERS DID SAY THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN POINT OF PROCEDURAL CLARIFICATION, MINE, MINE FAILED.

SO COMMISSIONER MINERS IS ON THE TABLE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

CAN YOU, CAN HE RESTATE THE MOTION, PLEASE? UH, YES, THE MOTION, UH, I'M PARAPHRASING, IT'S NOT VERBATIM, UM, IS TO, UH, INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK, UM, AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS FROM COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI'S LETTER, UM, WHERE WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT THIS, UH, DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THOSE ATTRIBUTES, UM, AT THEIR, UH, EITHER NEXT MONTH OR WHENEVER THEY ARE READY.

BUT IF I MAY CLARIFY, MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE PART OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS THAT THE, YOU WERE FINDING THE PROJECT NON-COMPLIANT AT THIS STAGE? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

AND THEN WE HAD A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE'RE TAKING IT TO A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? SECOND.

I THINK WE'RE UNANIMOUS.

MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T BELIEVE WE GOT A VOTE FROM COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI.

THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD.

I HAVE, I HAVE ABSTAINED ON THAT ONE.

OH,

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JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE RECORD.

OH, COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI.

YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT, UH, OBVIOUS THAT WE RE THAT THAT DIDN'T COMPLY.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROJECT KRAMER LANE SERVICE CENTER SUBSTATION IMPROVEMENTS LOCATED AT 24 12 KRAMER LANE COMPLIES WITH THE CITY DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS PRESENTED BY MARIA KAISER BOWMAN CONSULTING, AND MR. HOME OF AUSTIN ENERGY.

WE'RE GONNA JUST REVISIT THIS BASED ON MY MEMO AND THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, BUT WE DID NOT SAY THAT THEY WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

WE DID NOT AGREE ON THAT.

ISN'T THAT FAIR? WE, I DON'T THINK WE DID.

I THINK THE LAST VOTE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT IT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE IN ITS CURRENT STATE.

[4. Discussion and possible action to determine whether the project Kramer Lane Service Center Substation Improvements, located at 2412 Kramer Lane, complies with the City Design and Sustainability Standards. Presented by Maria Keiser, Bowman Consulting Group, LLC, and Andrew Halm, Austin Energy.]

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MY NAME IS NICHOLAS KALE.

I'M WITH BOWMAN, AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF AUSTIN ENERGY, UH, TO PRESENT FOR THE KRAMER LANE SERVICE CENTER SUBSTATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

UH, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT ASKING FOR YOUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF, UH, THAT THE PROJECT IS IN COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO, UM, PAUSING THERE.

MR. KAISER, UH, UH, I'M SORRY, MY NAME IS NICHOLAS KALE AND I'M SORRY, NICHOLAS KALE.

OH, WE'RE MAKING SURE YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THE CITY DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS, SO IT'S NOT QUITE THE FULL URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.

YOU'RE NOT HELD TO THAT, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

OF COURSE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, SET SOME CONTEXT FOR THIS PROJECT.

UH, IN THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS, UM, NOT GOING TO BE, UH, TANGIBLE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE AND INTERACT WITH, SUCH AS A TOWER OR A PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE.

UH, BUT RATHER THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS, UH, ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND RELIANCE ON THAT ELECTRICAL GRID, UH, THAT PROVIDES FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

UM, YOU COULD SEE THAT OUR BUILDINGS NOW ARE INCREDIBLY, UH, ELECTRICAL, UH, ELECTRICALLY DEPENDENT, UM, WITH, UH, WORK FROM HOME AND, UM, INCREASED DEMAND ON THE ELECTRICAL GRID FROM, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO I WANTED TO JUST SET THE CONTEXT, UH, FOR OUR PROJECT SPECIFICALLY AND THE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS FACILITY IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THAT IT IS A SECURE FACILITY, UM, BECAUSE IT HAS ITS ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THE PROJECT, UM, INCLUDES A REVISION TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN.

UH, THE SITE IS, UH, PAVED PARKING LOT.

UM, THE ZONING IS P PUBLIC, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY IS, UH, THE OPERATOR OF THE SITE.

AND, UH, THE SITE IS, UH, AND, UM, IS A LAY DOWN YARD CURRENTLY, UH, FOR ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

UH, IT'S, UH, SURROUNDED BY, UH, SEVERAL INDUSTRIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, THIS SLIDE GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, UH, FOR THE LOCATION.

UM, AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE, UH, IT'S OUTLINED THERE IN RED.

YOU COULD SEE THE SITE IS FULLY DEVELOPED, PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED.

UM, GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.

IT'S, UH, UH, BEHIND TOP GOLF, UM, AND NEAR THE DOMAIN, UM, NEAR THE Q2 SOCCER STADIUM, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, NORTH OF THE SITE.

UM, WE'VE GOT THE SCHWAB BUILDING AND, UM, EAST OF THE SITE, THERE'S INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES.

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SO THIS ONE SHOWS, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A ZOOMED IN VIEW, UM, KIND OF HONING IN ON THE, ON THE SITE ITSELF.

UM, AGAIN, THE SITE IS FULLY DEVELOPED, UH, WITH PAVED, UH, ACCESS, UH, INDUSTRIAL USE IN, IN NATURE, AND, UH, SURROUNDED BY, UH, ADDITIONAL INDUSTRIAL USE BUILDINGS.

SO THIS REALLY ZOOMS INTO THE SITE PLAN HERE, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, THE AREA IN RED IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY OUR LIMITS OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT.

UM, THE LONG LINEAR, UH, SHAPE THAT, UH, CROSSES THE SITE, UH, IS A DUCT BANK.

THAT'S JUST UNDERGROUND ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE INSTALLED UNDERNEATH THE CURRENTLY PAVED ROAD.

UM, THE RECTANGULAR SITE IN THE MIDDLE IS, UH, CURRENTLY A PAVED, UH, PARKING LOT, UH, LAY DOWN YARD, UM, THAT WILL BE, UH, CONVERTED TO AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION.

THIS IS A FURTHER ZOOMED IN VIEW OF THE SITE.

UM, WE'RE NOW WITHIN THE LARGER AUSTIN ENERGY COMPOUND.

UM, WE'RE NOW BEHIND, UH, SECURED, UH, GATES AND SECURED ACCESS.

UH, THE SITE IS, UH, FULLY ENCLOSED BY SECURITY FENCE AND WITHIN THE, UH, BLUE LINE THERE IS, UH, THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION PROJECT AND, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S PROPOSED.

UM, OVERALL UTILITY PLAN.

UM, AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.

UM, WE HAVE ELECTRICAL DUCT BANKS THAT'LL BE INSTALLED, UM, TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY OF ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO THE SOUTH, UH, WITH, UH, A BOAR UNDER THE RAIL LINE TO PROVIDE, UH, ELECTRICAL, UH, SERVICE, UH, TO THE NORTHWEST.

UM, THIS SLIDE, UH, SHOWS THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED WITH THE PROJECT OR, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE SITE PLAN THAT REQUIRE, UM, ADDITIONAL TREES AND, UH, STREETSCAPE ALONG CRANMER LANE.

SO WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED TREES THAT'LL BE PRESERVED, TREES THAT'LL BE PROTECTED, UH, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL STREET SCAPE THAT'LL BE INSTALLED, UM, WHICH IS GONNA IMPROVE, UH, THE, UH, BOUNDARY WITH KREMER LEE.

UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.

UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION? MOTION FOR DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.

UM, I SECOND, OH, GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI AND COMMISSIONER LUKINS, UH, MOVING THE CONVERSATION TO DISCUSSION VICE CHAIR MINORS.

UH, I'M CURIOUS, UM, DOES THE RED LINE RUN THROUGH THIS? IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THAT? AND ALSO LIKE THE PROPOSED TRAIL, UH, BIKE TRAIL THAT GOES WITH IT? IT DOES.

THERE'S A, THERE'S ACTUALLY CONCURRENT PROJECTS, UM, THAT ARE UNDER THE CORRIDOR PROGRAM OFFICE.

UM, THERE'S A SHARED USE PATH.

THIS IS A AUSTIN ENERGY SPECIFIC, UM, ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.

BUT WITHIN, UH, THE OVERALL AUSTIN ENERGY, UH, SITE, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE, UH, HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY.

ONE OF 'EM IS A SHARED USE HIKE AND BIKE PATH.

UM, AND THE, UH, THE RAIL LINE IS TO THE WEST OF, OF THE SITE.

ARE THERE ANY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF WITH THIS PROPOSAL THAT MAY IMPEDE OR, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY ENHANCE THAT PROJECT? ABSOLUTELY.

THIS PROJECT IS GONNA, UM, GREATLY ENHANCE, UM, ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROJECTS IN THAT IT WILL PROVIDE ELECTRICAL RELIABILITY, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS, IS THAT WE ALL GET TO CONTINUE KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON .

COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

AND ANY ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONER WATLEY? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION, OR JUST KIND OF CLARIFICATION.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROJECT IS REALLY INTERIOR AND NOT FRONTING ANY STREETS, ALTHOUGH THE DUCK BANK DOES.

AND, UM, I SEE ON KRAMER, Y'ALL ARE, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING TREES AND ADDING SOME MORE TREES.

BUT I DON'T, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THERE DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO BE ANY PROJECT IMPACT ON ANY, IN ANY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR STREET SCAPE.

AND, UH, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERNS.

SO YES, COMMISSIONER? THAT'S CORRECT.

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UH, ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI.

BASED ON COMMISSIONER WATLEY'S COMMENT.

YEAH, I, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PROJECT AND IT LOOKS LIKE HUGE, THE KRAMER LANE DEAL.

AND I KNOW THAT YOUR PART IS A SMALL PART OF THIS, BUT HOW DOES, HOW DOES YOUR PROJECT KIND OF MEET THE STREET, THE EXISTING PROJECT AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, THESE SUBSTATIONS AND ALL, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THAT RED LINE AROUND THE BOUNDARY.

WHAT IS GOING ON ON THAT RED LINE? IS IT A FENCE OR IS IT LANDSCAPING OR THE EXISTING FACILITY? SO THE EXISTING FACILITY, UH, DOES MEET KRAMER LANE AND, UH, I'M THE SOUTH AND, UH, IT DOES MEET THE CAPITAL METRO AIRLINE ON THE WEST AND, UH, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS ON THE EAST.

AND, UM, WE ARE IMPROVING THE STREETSCAPE WITH THE PROJECT.

UH, THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS IN NEW STREET TREES.

UM, THE SUBSTATION ITSELF, UH, WILL BE CONSTRUCTED INTERIOR TO THE AUSTIN ENERGY, UH, COMPLEX.

UH, SO IT IS FAR AWAY FROM THE ROAD, UM, NOT VISIBLE AND IT IS IN A SECURED, UH, FENCED AREA, UH, INTERIOR TO THE, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY FACILITY.

AND AND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN, IN YOUR NEW FACILITY? HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? 0, 0 0 0.

SO IT'S JUST, JUST UH, OUR, WHATEVER IT IS.

SO WHAT I REALLY NOTICED WHEN I SAW SOME OF THESE, UH, PHOTOS, I NOTICED THE CHARLES SWAB CORPORATE DEAL NEXT DOOR TO Y'ALL AND IT HAD A COUPLE OF LAKES RIGHT THERE.

AND YOU, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE USED FOR AND I DON'T SEE ANY KIND OF, UH, WATER QUALITY TANKS OR HOLDING FACILITIES ON YOUR LOT, BUT I'M, I'M ASSUMING THOSE LAKES ARE KIND OF LIKE WATER QUALITY, UH, STORAGE FOR THE CHARLES SWAB, BUT, BUT THOSE, THAT AREA REALLY LOOKS REALLY NICE.

IT LOOKS LIKE A PARK AND IT'D BE ALSO VERY COOL IF YOU COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF A CONNECTION BETWEEN THAT LAND, THAT AREA THERE, WHERE THOSE LAKE ARE AND YOUR FACILITY, IF THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF CHARLES SWAB WOULD AGREE TO THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK, UH, LOOKING AT YOUR PROPERTY THERE, IT LOOKS KIND OF STERILE AND IT LOOKS VERY INDUSTRIAL LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER.

IT IS.

BUT YOU KNOW, JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE IN YOUR FACILITY OR IN THAT AREA AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER HERE AND KIND OF LIKE GO FISHING OR WHATEVER IT IS IN THESE LAKES THAT ARE JUST SO CLOSE BY, I THINK THAT'D BE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF LIKE BOOST THE MORALE OF CITY OF AUSTIN EMPLOYEES.

THANK, THANK YOU.

UM, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I DO.

UM, REGARDING THE LANDSCAPE PLANS, IT SAYS THAT YOU WILL PAY INTO THE TREE FUND.

WHY? I DON'T SEE ANY TREE REMOVAL THAT I CAN TELL ON YOUR PLAN.

WHY WOULD YOU BE PAYING INTO THE TREE FUND? WE DO HAVE A FEW TREE REMOVALS, UH, INTERIOR TO THE SITE, UH, WHERE SOME TREE MITIGATION, UH, FUNDS WILL BE, UH, PAID WITHIN THE CITY FUND.

AND SO IT'S NOT ONE HAND TO THE OTHER HAND, I MEAN CITY MONEY TO PAY IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

IF IT'S NOT, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT THEM.

UM, RIGHT.

WE DID OUR BEST TO, UH, IMPROVE THE STREET SCAPE WITH THAT, UM, SMALL AREA WE HAD AVAILABLE THERE ON KRAMER WITH THOSE NEW TREES.

MM-HMM.

AND THEN THE, THE REMAINDER, UM, I BELIEVE THE METHOD IS A LEDGER ENTRY, UH, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE CITY'S ACCOUNTING SYSTEM.

UM, THESE IS, THIS IS IN THE WEEDS.

UH, YOU DON'T WANNA PLANT EASTERN RED BUD.

IT DOESN'T DO WELL IN OUR SOILS.

WE WANNA DO TEXAS RED BUD.

THAT'S ONE THING.

UM, IT ALSO SAYS HERE THAT IS, ARE YOU IRRIGATING THIS AREA WHERE YOUR PLANT MATERIALS ARE GOING? NO.

SO HOW DO YOU PLAN ON ESTABLISHING AND WATERING IT? UH, I BELIEVE OUR, WE HAVE A, A WATERING PROGRAM FOR, IS IT ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS? WE HAVE A, A LINE ITEM IN THE CONTRACT FOR, UH, WATERING.

UNTIL THEY'RE ESTABLISHED HERE.

UM, AND FOR WHAT THIS IS WORTH, TEXAS PISTACHIO REALLY ISN'T A TREE FORM.

IT'S KIND OF A SHRUBBY, IT'S NOT LIKE A PISTACHIO TREE.

I KNOW THIS IS IN THE WEEDS, BUT JUST GONNA BE EASIER TO MAINTAIN IF YOU GET THESE SPECIES RIGHT.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY FEEDBACK.

AND I DID SEE, UH, IT SAYS ONE GALLON SHRUBS 24 INCHES ON CENTER, BUT IT ALSO SAYS MULLY GRASS SHRUB BED.

SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WHOLE AREA IS PLANTED JUST IN MULLY GRASS? CUZ THAT IS ALL DES DECIDUOUS.

SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY VEGETATION THAT'S NOTICEABLE THIS TIME OF YEAR.

SO I WAS CONFUSED CUZ I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUFFERING IF YOU'RE, IF THE INTENT IS TO BUFFER MULLY GRASS BY ITSELF

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ISN'T A GREAT BUFFER.

SINGULARLY AS ONE SPECIES.

WE'LL, WE'LL NOTE THOSE.

UM, AND WORK WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO PROBABLY SOMETHING EVERGREEN WOULD BE GREAT.

THERE'S SOME NATIVE VARIETIES THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, MORE DIVERSE IN YOUR PLANT MATERIAL SELECTION FOR BUFFERING PURPOSES.

THANK YOU FOR, DOES THE SIDEWALK ACTUALLY NOTCH THE WAY IT'S SHOWING? IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOSES ITS CONSISTENT WIDTH AT A CERTAIN POINT.

WHERE ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES IT GET IT GETS NARROWED DOWN IN A CERTAIN SPOT.

WE'RE NOT MAKING SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, SO THAT'D BE THE EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT WAS, UH, SURVEYED.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CAROL.

UH, I, I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COMMISSIONER COLEMAN UH, SAID, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE IRRIGATION.

YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE STREET VIEW, I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE IN 2018 THOSE STREET TREES ARE BEAUTIFUL AND IN 2022 THEY LOOK HALF DEAD.

AND MY SENSE IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THE CARE THAT THEY NEEDED WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY WERE PLANTED, AND YOU MAY BE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THIS NEW LANDSCAPE.

UH, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHOWING THIS IMPROVEMENT LANDSCAPE ON ONE SIDE OF THE DRIVE, BUT NOT ON THE OTHER.

IS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON FOR THAT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S STILL PRETTY BARE ON THAT SOUTHEAST SIDE OF YOUR, OF YOUR DRIVE? NO, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A PARTICULAR REASON FOR THAT.

THEN I WOULD SUGGEST ADDING SOME PLANTING ON THAT SIDE AS WELL, BECAUSE, I MEAN, REALLY THE WHOLE FRONTAGE IS, IS AN EYESORE TO BE FRANK.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A, A CHAIN LINK FENCE AND IT'S JUST, UH, INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT AND UM, YOU KNOW, PILES OF JUNK ESSENTIALLY.

UM, AND I THINK THAT COULD HELP AT LEAST SCREEN THAT THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND, AND CREATE A NICER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE WALKING THROUGH THERE.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER WATLEY.

YEAH, I'LL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, THE DESIGN COMMISSION SUPPORTS THE PROJECT, UM, AND WE RECOMMEND, UH, REEVALUATION OF SOME OF THE SPECIES, UH, AN EXPANDED .

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.

SO, UH, WE'RE MAKING A MOTION THAT DESIGN COMMISSION SUPPORTS THE PROJECT AND A REEVALUATION OF THIS SPECIES.

WE HAVE A, NO, IT'S A MOTION BY WATLEY.

IT WAS SECOND FROM TI GUCCI TO MOVE IT TO A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

SO THAT'S A TRUE UNANIMOUS VOTE.

COMMISSIONERS REFLECT ON YOUR PROJECT.

UM, UPDATE FROM URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES WORKING GROUP REGARDING UPDATES TO THE GUIDELINES.

ITEM FIVE.

[5. Update from the Urban Design Guidelines Working Group regarding updates to the guidelines.]

COMMISSIONER CAROL? YES.

OUR CHAIR WAS GONNA ASSIGN HER ALL KINDS OF WORK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BEHIND, BUT, UH, WE REALLY MISSED YOUR INPUT COMMISSION, ROLLON.

UH, THE UPDATE IS THAT OUR GROUPS ARE ACTIVELY MEETING AND WORKING ON THE GUIDELINES.

UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THOSE GROUPS, LET US KNOW AND WE CAN GET YOU ON A GROUP.

UH, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOING PRETTY WELL RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING.

UM, I, ON DOWNTOWN COMMISSION, AUSTIN CORE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, PRESENTED A, A SLIDE DECK THAT I EMAILED TO COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI AND COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, THEY'RE IN A PHASE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

UM, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL FOR BOTH OF YOUR WORKING GROUPS FOR TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION, UM, KIND OF REGARDING OUR FUTURE GOALS.

UM, OKAY.

ITEM SIX, UPDATE FROM REP.

I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TO THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT WHEN WE LAST MET WITH OUR WORKING GROUP, UH, WE WERE GLAD TO HEAR THAT COMMISSIONER ROLLON WAS, UH, JOINING US AGAIN.

AND, AND, AND, UH,

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THANK YOU AND WELCOME BACK.

COMMISSIONER TINA GUCCI.

THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

COMMISSIONER ROLLISON, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN OUR EFFORTS? , I, I'D LOVE TO SWAP BACK INTO, UM, WHERE I WAS BEFORE.

UM, SO WE HAVE FIVE GROUPS.

UM, I'M LEADING URBAN FABRIC.

UM, DAVID'S DOING BUILDINGS, UM, COMMISSION AND WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH OUR GROUPS.

UM, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AND COMMISSIONER TANA, OR COMMISSIONER COLEMAN'S DOING STREET SKIPS.

UM, COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI IS DOING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY'RE KIND OF AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR PROCESS.

UM, COMMISSIONER MINORS, VICE CHAIR MINERS IS, UH, DOING PUBLIC SPACES AND I THINK PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY.

UM, DO ANY OF THOSE SOUND INTERESTING TO YOU TO JOIN? DO YOU, WHEN DO YOU HAVE YOUR, UM, OVERARCHING REGROUP KIND OF MEETINGS? SO MY GROUP IS EVERY OTHER THURSDAY AT LUNCH AND WE MEET IN PERSON, UM, COMMISSIONER KLE BUILDINGS MEETS, UH, EVERY OTHER, BUT FIRST THEIR SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAYS AT NOON AT MY OFFICE.

VICE CHAIR MINERS.

UH, WE'VE BEEN MEETING VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER FRIDAY.

UH, WE JUST MET THIS PAST FRIDAY, UM, AT 3:00 PM VIRTUALLY, SO THAT COULD BE ENTICING.

AND THEN, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AND COMMISSIONER TANA GUCCI HAVE NOT STARTED MEETING YET.

SIX, UPDATE FROM REPRESENTATIVE ON DOWNTOWN COMMISSION.

SO WE'LL TAKE YOU AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR SCHEDULE .

UM, SO TANNER COMMISSIONER TANA, YOU OR INFRASTRUCTURE COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, WHAT WE DO? I'M STREET SCAPES.

STREET SCAPES.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO JOIN STREET SCAPES.

WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.

OKAY, GREAT.

SOMEONE WENT TO WORK TO DO, UM, ITEM SEVEN, UPDATE FROM, OH, ITEM

[6. Update from representative on the Downtown Commission regarding last meeting.]

REGARDING THE LAST MEETING I WAS OUT WITH SURGERY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE AUSTIN COURT TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH I ALREADY EMAILED SOME OF YOU.

UM, ITEM SEVEN, UPDATE

[7. Update from representative on the Joint Sustainability Committee regarding last meeting.]

FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE ON THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE REGARDING THE LAST MEETING.

COMMISSIONER CAROL.

UPDATE FROM REPRESENTATIVE ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD.

OUR DECEMBER MEETING WAS MOVED DUE TO THE HOLIDAY AND I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND, SO NO UPDATE.

UM, ITEM EIGHT,

[8. Update from representative on the South-Central Waterfront Advisory Board regarding last meeting.]

COMMISSIONER FRANCO IS NOT PRESENT.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

IT IS EIGHT.

I I HAVE A QUESTION.

, ARE WE ALLOWED TO HAVE QUESTIONS? ASK QUESTIONS? THERE WASN'T MORE ON THE AGENDA.

UH, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT LET'S HEAR A COMMISSIONER.

ROBLITO.

UM, WHEN ARE OUR POSITIONS GONNA POST? DO WE KNOW THE DATE FOR THE FEBRUARY PEOPLE? JORGE, DO YOU KNOW THIS ANSWER? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UH, COMMISSIONER ALDO, IF YOU MEAN, WHEN ARE YOUR POSITIONS, NEW POSITIONS GOING TO BE ASSIGNED BY COUNSEL? AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS? NO.

WHEN ARE THE APPLICATIONS GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN FILLING? OH, MY APOLOGIES.

UH, THAT, THOSE, THOSE DATES, SORRY.

YES, SURE.

THAT, THAT IS AT THE, I BELIEVE THERE'S SIX THAT ARE UP FOR THAT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF EACH COUNCIL OFFICE WHEN THEY WISH TO FILL THOSE VACANCIES.

BUT I BELIEVE THE CLERK'S OFFICE WILL BEGIN TAKING APPLICATION ONCE THE COUNCIL BEGINS TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS.

THEY WILL MEET FOR THE FIRST TIME AS A NEW COUNCIL THIS COMING THURSDAY.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE A MORE CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO WHEN THEY WANT TO START ASSIGNING OR, UM, NOMINATING INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE ON THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THERE'S OVER 70 IS MY UNDERSTANDING, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

WELL, OKAY.

SO TO BE CLEAR ON MY QUESTION, I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO APPLY ONLINE.

THAT'S, SO, THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT THE EACH, THAT'S THE DATE.

I'M WONDERING, SO THERE ISN'T AN A SET DATE WHEN THOSE OH, WOW.

NO, NO.

NOT, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

COMMISSIONER IS AT THE DISCRETION OF EACH COUNCIL OFFICE TO HAVE THOSE PARTICULAR COMMISSIONS READY TO BE ACCEPTED.

SO THEY'LL TYPICALLY SEND OUT A CALL FOR ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

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