Feb 14, 2023 Planning Commission

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ALL

[Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order]

WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'LL DO A QUICK ROLL CALL.

UM, IT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY QUICK MEETING, HOPEFULLY THIS EVENING.

UH, LET'S, WE LET FOLKS OUTTA HERE A LITTLE EARLY TO GO.

UM, ENJOY THE EVENING.

SO, UH, REAL QUICK, WE WILL DO A, UH, QUICK ROLL CALL.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THOSE ON THE DIAS.

UM, AND WE'LL START, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HERE, UH, CHAIR, CHAIR SHAW, AND ON MY RIGHT, VICE CHAIR HEMPLE HERE.

AND GO AHEAD AND GO, UH, AS I SEE YOU GUYS.

COMMISSIONER AZAR HERE.

COMMISSIONER JANNIS POLITO.

PRESENT.

UH, COMMISSIONER COX? HERE.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER MOTO.

OKAY.

UH, AND DO WE, COMMISSIONER MOTO? CAN WE HEAR YOU? I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.

LET'S DO A SOUND CHECK.

JUST MAKING SURE.

TESTING.

OH, THERE YOU GO.

WE GOT, ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER HERE.

I SEE THE, THANK YOU.

UH, AND LET'S SEE.

YES, UH, COMMISSIONER FLORES HERE.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO 3 4 56 7 8 9 10 11 11 TOTAL.

IS THAT THE RIGHT COUNT FOR THIS EVENING? YEP.

SO WE'RE AT 11.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, MOVING THROUGH THE, UH, WELL, THIS EVENING, UH, I KNOW COMMISSIONER FLORES, I TYPICALLY CALL ON YOU TO DO A FIRST READ.

ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO THAT THIS EVENING? YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND, UM, REAL QUICK, UH, THIS IS, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GO INTO THE, UM, HYBRID MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS HERE, BUT THIS IS HYBRID.

WE'VE GOT FOLKS ONLINE AND, UH, IN, ON THE DIAS.

UM, UM, SO REAL QUICK, I WANTED TO, UM, JUST GO THROUGH SOME HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. UH, FOLKS, HAVE YOUR CARDS AVAILABLE? RED, UH, GREEN, RED AND YELLOW JUST FOR VOTING PURPOSES.

AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION THIS EVENING, SO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, UH, ON THE AGENDA.

DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING? ALL RIGHT.

UM, SEEING NONE, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ROLL THAT INTO THE, THOSE WERE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 24TH.

UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ROLL THOSE INTO THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.

[Reading of the Agenda]

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO WE HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 24TH, 2023, PUBLIC HEARINGS TWO REZONING C 8 14 9, 701 0.1 15, LEANDER REHABILITATION, PUT AMENDMENT NUMBER 16.

THAT ITEM IS UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MARCH 28TH.

THREE.

PLAN AMENDMENT N P A 20 22 0 0 1, 7 0.01 CRESTVIEW VILLAGE STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MARCH 28TH.

FOUR.

PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 1 4 0.05.

BERGSTROM SPUR TRAIL MIXED USE STAFF TO FEBRUARY 28TH, FIVE.

PLAN AMENDMENT N P 20 22 0 0, 15 0.03.

DARBY YARD, 700.

STAFF POSTPONE TO FEBRUARY 28TH, SIX.

PLAN AMENDMENT N P A 20 22 0 0 1, 15 0.06, GLOUCESTER DWELLINGS.

THAT ITEM IS UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 28TH.

SEVEN.

PLAN AMENDMENT N P A 20 22 0 0 1, 15 0.04 HUDSON NUMBER THREE, THAT ITEM IS UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 28TH, EIGHT, REZONING C 14, 20 22, 0 1, 0 6 HUDSON.

NUMBER THREE, STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 28TH.

NINE.

PLAN AMENDMENT N P 20 22 0 0 1, 4 0.03.

CHAPMAN 71, STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 28TH, 10 REZONING C 14 20 22 0 9 3 S D C M L K.

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THAT ITEM WAS POSTED IN ERROR 12, REZONING C 14, 20 22, 0 1, 0 2, 5 0 6, AND 5 0 8 WEST REZONING.

THAT ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 28TH, AND THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT, UH, 13 REZONING C 14 20 22 0 2 0 5, DENNY'S CONDOS.

THAT ITEM IS STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 28TH, 14 VARIANCE, S P 20 21 0 9 1 C.

OLTORF, UH, SITE PLAN, UH, ITEM IS UP FOR APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO APRIL 11TH, 15, IMAGINE AUSTIN AMENDMENT CPA 20 22 0 0 0 1 PALM DISTRICT LAND.

THAT ITEM IS UP FOR PC WORKING GROUP POSTPONEMENT TO APRIL 25TH.

AND THAT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER FLORES, UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ABOUT THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? AND JUST, UH, MR. RIVER, IF YOU WANT, I MEAN, WE ARE DUE TO SOME WEATHER ISSUES AND ITS IMPACT ON THE NOTIFICATION IF FOLKS WEREN'T ALWAYS ALREADY AWARE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING, EVERYTHING'S BEING POSTPONED.

IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIR COMMISSION, LADIES ON ANDREW? YES.

AND IN PART, UH, SOME, SOME OF THE CASES DO FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO JUST IF FOLKS WEREN'T AWARE OF THAT, THAT'S WHY, UM, WE'RE POSTPONING EVERYTHING.

SO WANTED TO, UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING ELSE WANNA SPEAK TO ANY OF THESE ITEMS? OH, AND I WANNA RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER SHAA.

THANK YOU.

UM, JUST ARRIVED ON THE DIAS.

OKAY.

ALL

[Consent Agenda]

WELL, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, VICE CHAIR HIPPEL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.

UH, THOSE ON THE, UH, DIAS IN FAVOR.

THAT'S EVERYONE.

UH, THOSE VIRTUALLY SHOW YOUR CARDS.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT THAT UNANIMOUS, AND WE'VE GOT 12 NOW.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT CLEAR TAKES US ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, IF I'M NOT

[16. Discuss and consider establishing a working group tasked to review matters related to Accessory Dwelling Units. (Sponsors: Commissioners Mushtaler and Anderson)]

YOU GUYS WANNA SPEAK TO THIS ITEM COMMISSION? MITCH TYLER, MR. ANDERSON, I'M TROUBLE WITH MY COMPUTER.

SORRY, I LOST MY SCREEN THERE.

UM, ON THE ITEM, PLEASE REPEAT.

YES.

ITEM 16, UH, THIS IS AN ITEM TO DISCUSS AND, UH, AND CONSIDER ESTABLISHING A WORKING GROUP TASKED TO REVIEW MATTERS RELATED TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

UM, AND COMMISSIONER MUTA, UH, AND ANDERSON ARE THE SPONSORS, CO-SPONSORS.

YOU GUYS WANNA SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? YES.

THIS CAME OUT.

UH, THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR.

THIS CAME OUT OF DISCUSSION, UH, THAT WE HAD ON A ZONING CASE REQUIRE, UH, REGARDING A D U AND HAVING NO, UH, TOOL TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNITY, UM, CONFUSION REGARDING THE STATE OF ADUS AND WHAT, WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO CREATE A WORKING GROUP TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT STATE OF OUR CODE AND TO CREATE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CLARIFICATION TO SEND TO COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERATION.

UM, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DO YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT AT ALL? SURE.

BRIEFLY, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, UM, THE VERY FIRST VOTE THAT I BELIEVE PLANNING COMMISSION TOOK ON THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GOING BACK SIX, MAYBE ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, WAS TO PROMOTE ADUS.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE KIND OF BARELY ALLOW THEM WITH A THOUSAND HURDLES, AND IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK IN A LOT OF WAYS.

UM, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN ALLOWING AND PROMOTING.

AND SO THIS LOBBY DECIDED TO PROMOTE LAND, UM, ADUS IN OUR NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT LOOK TO DO THAT.

AND AS WE KNOW, WE LOST THAT ABILITY AND SO MANY OTHER AMAZING THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS

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BUT HOPEFULLY THIS CAN KINDA REST BACK ONE OF THOSE ISSUES, AND WE CAN TRY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO TRULY MAKE THEM PROMOTED TO BE BUILT AND MUCH EASIER TO BE BUILT AND THEY CAN BE TODAY.

OKAY.

AND QUICKLY, I JUST, UH, I WANT TO ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER, I GUESS, SHAY AND ANYONE FROM THE, UH, HOUSING WORKING GROUP, YOU ALL ARE A LITTLE LATER GONNA GIVE US A QUICK OVERVIEW OF SOME OF YOUR ACTIVITIES THAT YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IT, I THINK IT, IT'S GONNA ENCOMPASS THIS BECAUSE TO ME, THERE'S A, THERE'S KIND OF A BLUR RIGHT NOW, OR THERE SHOULD BE, IT'S KIND OF A STRANGE BLUR BETWEEN ADU TO DUPLEX, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF YOUR LOT.

AND IT, IT SEEMS ALMOST ARCHAIC IN THE WAY ONE IS MANAGED TO HOW THE OTHER ONE IS MANAGED.

SO I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS, THIS IS MORE THAN A DISCUSSION JUST ON THE ADU.

IT'S ALSO HOW IT BLURS INTO WHY YOU ALLOW AS A DUPLEX VERSUS AN ADU, WHAT'S A DIFFERENCE? AND THEN YOU GO BACK, WHY IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? AND I THINK THAT'S, IT'S, THIS CAN BE TAKEN INTO, UM, THAT CONVERSATION.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE COMING UP, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE, WHEN I PRESENT THIS.

SO I THINK, UM, I'M TRYING TO LEAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR WORKING GROUP TO, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER SHAY AND THE WORKING GROUP FINDINGS, IT MAY, UM, YOU MAY WANT TO CR CRAFT YOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WORKING GROUP, UM, MISSION JUST MAY TWEAK IT A LITTLE DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HEAR OR, OR NOT.

BUT I GUESS THIS IS, UM, I GUESS I DON'T THINK WE, IT IS PRETTY OPEN-ENDED.

UM, THIS DOES ANYBODY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I MEAN, MY THOUGHT IS, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH DOING BUILDING ADUS AND DUPLEXES AND THE RULES BETWEEN THAT AND WHOEVER'S GONNA SIT ON THIS WORKING GROUP, IF THIS IS WHERE THE BODY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT.

YOU GOTTA HAVE PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THE TOOLS AND, AND WORK WITH THE NUANCES BETWEEN THE TOOLS TO UNDERSTAND, UM, I DUNNO, SOME INSTANCES HOW SILLY IT IS.

AND, UH, YET THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE IN CLEANING THIS UP.

SO YOU GOTTA HAVE PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THE TOOLS.

THANK YOU.

I GUESS, AND I'LL, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO OTHERS AS WELL.

I GUESS MY STRUGGLE IS WE'RE GETTING READY TO LOSE SOME FOLKS.

I THINK COMMISSIONER MOSH TOLER AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE HOPEFULLY CONTINUING ON WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

BUT, UM, SO WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING, UM, ON THIS TEAM? UH, WE JUST DON'T, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS AND, AND GET SOME INVOLVEMENT FROM SOME OF THE NEW MEMBERS.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS YET.

SO, UM, ANY DISCUSSIONS AROUND TIMING? AND, YOU KNOW, OUR MAKEUP CURRENTLY, COMMISSIONER ZA AND THE COMMISSIONER MOOCH, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER TALLER, GO AHEAD.

I FEEL LIKE YOU PROBABLY WANT TO RESPOND.

THAT WOULD BE MORE, I, I'M GOING ON A DIFFERENT TRACK, SO PLEASE GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, I WAS GONNA ASK, UM, LIAISON RIVERA, IF THERE WAS ANY THOUGHT ON WHAT THE TIMELINE WAS GOING TO BE FOR NEW APPOINTEES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT MAY FLOAT A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UM, BECAUSE OF , SO MUCH OF WHAT COUNCIL HAS IN FRONT OF IT, GIVEN, UH, RECENT NATURAL DISASTER EPISODES AND ENERGY EPISODES AND POLICE CONTRACT ISSUES, UM, THAT I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO CAPITALIZE ON SOME OF THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE HERE.

AND ECHOING WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SHAY SAID ABOUT HAVING PEOPLE THAT KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES THAT MAY BE HELPFUL.

AND IF IT CARRIES OVER TO NEW WORKING MEMBERS, THEN THAT'LL GIVE US THE BENEFIT OF BOTH.

GOOD POINT.

COMMISSIONER AZAR, OR I GUESS, WAS THAT A QUESTION FOR MR. RIVERA ON TIMING OF IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT HELP.

OKAY.

THE GROUP KIND OF DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THIS ISSUE, WHETHER WE OPEN IT UP SEPARATELY OR WHETHER WE PULL IT UNDER THE HOUSING WORKING GROUP CHAIR, COMMISSION LAY LIAISON, ANDREW RIVERA.

SO THERE'S A, UH, COUPLE THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY IN, UH, DIRECT INFORMATION OF, UH, COUNCIL APPOINTING MEMBERS, BUT WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT ARE THE, UH, COUNCIL DATES.

UM, AND SO THERE'S ONLY, UM, UM, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT, UM, MARCH COUNCIL MEETING DATES, UM, AND TERMS EXPIRE FEBRUARY 28TH.

UM, SO IT COULD BE VERY, WELL BE MARCH OR APRIL.

UM, AND THEN THERE IS THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A MEMBER IS NOT ELIGIBLE ELIGIBLE UNTIL THEY, UH, SIGN THEIR OATH.

UM, SO ALONG WITH THAT, ARE THAT, IS THAT MEMBERS, CURRENT MEMBERS SERVE FOR, UM, 60

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UM, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY, UM, ROW KIND OF TIMELINES WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THIS OKAY.

TIME.

SO WE, YOU, WE MAY BE ABLE, IF PEOPLE STAY IN, MAY BE ABLE TO HELP HELP OUT ON THIS WORKING GROUP.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER COX AND I, WHEN WE CAME ON, DIDN'T, DIDN'T START BECOMING ACTIVE UNTIL MAYBE JUNE-ISH.

BY THE TIME ALL THE, UM, REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION WAS SUBMITTED AND THERE WAS COUNCIL APPROVAL AND REQUIRED, UM, EVEN COURSES WERE COMPLETED TO BE ABLE TO BE ELIGIBLE TO SIT, THAT WOULD GIVE US ALMOST SIX MONTHS WITH EXISTING PEOPLE TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT THIS.

I'D LOVE TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE WISDOM THAT'S HERE.

OKAY.

SO, LET'S SEE, WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THIS WORKING GROUP? OH, COMMISSIONER ZA.

UM, ZARA, PLEASE.

I WANNA FORGET ABOUT THAT.

UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE, CHAIR, WE HAVE RELEVANT STAFF HERE WHO CAN HELP US ANSWER THIS, BUT I'LL ASK IT REGARDLESS.

UM, THE STAFF HA CAN, IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S AVAILABLE TO GIVE THE ANSWER, CAN THEY TELL US WHEN THE EXISTING A U ORDINANCE CHANGES FROM COUNCIL ARE HEADED TO, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION CODES AND ORDINANCES.

CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, LIAISON, ANDREW? I'M THE ONLY STAFF PRESENT IN CHAMBERS.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO, UH, LOOK THAT UP FOR YOU.

I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, MR. AVERA.

SO, I THINK JUST PROVIDING SOME CONTEXT, THERE WERE, UM, TWO SETS OF INITIATIONS THAT WERE DONE, ONE BY COUNCIL IN 2021, END OF 2021, AND ONE IN SUMMER OF LAST YEAR.

SO AT SOME POINT, THEY WILL BE COMING TO US.

SO HONESTLY, WE COULD EASILY CREATE A WORKING GROUP THAT CAN DO THIS WORK AND EASILY MERGE INTO THAT WORK AS WELL, BECAUSE LIKELY AT SOME POINT, UM, THIS SPRING OR SUMMER, WE ARE GOING TO BE GETTING THOSE ORDINANCES FOR REVIEW AS PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.

OKAY.

SO IT MAY BE GOOD TO GO AND SET UP THE WORKING GROUP.

UM, OKAY.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON, ON THIS ITEM? I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE A WORKING GROUP TO ADDRESS, UM, ESPECIALLY DWELLING UNITS AND DUPLEXES.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, OKAY.

CHAIR, WERE YOU, LOOK, WERE YOU LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO SERVE AS WELL? YEAH, WE DO NEED TO TAKE A, SO THAT'S THE, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS, UH, A WORKING GROUP FOR, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND DUPLEXES.

AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND SEE A SHOW OF HANDS FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO SERVE ON THE WORKING GROUP.

SO I WOULD, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER AZAR, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER, COMMISSIONER MOSH.

TYLER COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

COMMISSIONER SHAY, I THINK, IS THAT, IS THAT ? IS THAT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

OH, SEE, IT'S ABOUT TIME WE CLEAN THIS THING UP.

SO DID I COUNT FIVE? YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, UM, CHAIR COHEN SPACE FOR ONE MORE.

.

WELL, YOU DON'T, I HAVE TO YOU'RE ON.

HEY, CHAIR.

YES.

I'D LIKE SHE DOESN'T COUNT.

YES.

COMMISSIONER TUCK.

OH, GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER CUTS.

IS THERE A MECHANISM TO, UH, TO NAME LIKE ALTERNATES TO WORKING GROUPS, JUST WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TURNOVER IN THE COMING MONTHS, AND IS THERE A WAY TO JUST AUTOMATICALLY HAVE PEOPLE JOIN WORKING GROUPS AS ALTERNATES WHEN THOSE PEOPLE DROP OFF? I'M, I'M LOOKING AT MR. RIVERA FOR AN ANSWER TO THAT CHAIR COMMISSION LAYS ON ANNE RIVERA.

SO WHAT I CAN DO IS JUST HAVE THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UM, TO, IN CASE, UM, WHEN WE NEED TO APPOINT ADDITIONAL MEMBERS.

OKAY.

OH, I, I, I WAS JUST MENTIONING THAT BECAUSE OF THE TURNOVER THAT WE'RE EXPECTING, BUT ALSO I'M HAPPY TO SERVE AS AN ALTERNATE, BUT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE REAL PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE WAY.

WELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

WE'RE, UH, CHAIR COHEN DOESN'T COUNT TOWARD OUR QUORUM, SO SHE CAN SERVE IF SHE WANTS, BUT THEN WE STILL HAVE A SPACE FOR ONE MORE, IF I'M COUNTING CORRECTLY.

WELL, I'M ALSO THINKING THAT, UH, I DO WANT TO PROPOSE POTENTIALLY EITHER ANOTHER WORKING GROUP OR AT LEAST AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE, UH, COUNCIL MEETING OR, OR FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

SO, OKAY.

UM, SO, YEAH, SO, SO I, GO AHEAD.

UH, COMMISSIONER AAR, I'M SO SORRY, CHAIR.

I WAS JUST, ONE THING I WAS GONNA MENTION WAS, UM, FOLKS WHO ARE IN THIS WORKING GROUP AND THEN THE OTHER AFFORDABILITY WORKING GROUP,

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WE'LL HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PASSING INFORMATION BETWEEN THE TWO WORKING GROUPS, CUZ THAT ACTUALLY WILL FORM A WALKING QUO.

SO, WE'LL JUST A REMINDER TO, TO REALLY SEGMENT CONVERSATION IN WHICHEVER GROUP YOU'RE HAVING IT.

OKAY.

GOOD POINT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE MOTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, AND HELP ME OUT HERE IS, UH, TO FORM A WORKING GROUP, UH, TO CONSIDER, UM, TASKS TO REVIEW MATTERS RELATED TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND DUPLEXES.

AND THE MEMBERS OF THAT WORKING GROUP INCLUDE COMMISSIONER AZAR, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER MOALA, COMMISSIONER COX, UM, COMMISSIONER SHA, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER, AND WE HAVE OUR, UH, ALSO PARTICIPATING.

WE'LL BE CHAIR COHEN FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

AND OKAY.

DO I HAVE A, DO I HAVE A, ANYBODY WANNA SECOND? SECOND THAT MOTION? OKAY.

WE HAVE VICE CHAIR HEMPLE.

LET'S GONNA TAKE A VOTE ON FORMATION OF THE WORKING GROUP.

UH, THOSE ON THE DIAS, IT'S EVERYONE.

AND THOSE, UH, VIRTUALLY SHOW ME YOUR CARDS.

I THINK THAT'S ALL GREEN.

SO THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

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YEAH.

UM, IT'S, IT'S A BIT TOPICAL FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, BUT I'M WONDERING IF IT, IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN THIS COMMISSION TO BRING UP THE ISSUE OF STR AGAIN, I KNOW WE'VE PROBABLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT PREVIOUSLY AND PREVIOUS TO MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION, BUT, UM, I'VE, I'VE RECENTLY BEEN BOMBARDED WITH A BUNCH OF ISSUES WITH THE STR I'VE, I'VE HAD MY OWN PERSONAL ISSUE WITH AN STR R RECENTLY, AND, AND I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT IT'S, IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT REALLY INVOLVED IN ENFORCEMENT, BUT I'M, I'M CURIOUS TO AT LEAST BRAINSTORM AND MAYBE VISIT WITH THE RELEVANT STAFF TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN MODIFY OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PARTICULARLY OUR ZONING CODE TO, TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE KNOW EXIST, UH, TO MAKE THE ENFORCEMENT EASIER.

AND, AND SO I I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE.

IF THERE WAS ENOUGH INTEREST, I'M HAPPY TO HELP LEAD WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS WANNA DISCUSS THIS ITEM BEFORE WE THIS TAKES ANOTHER COMMISSIONER? MUSH TYLER, GO AHEAD.

UM, SO TWO THOUGHTS ON THAT.

UM, ONE IN SUPPORT OF COMMISSIONER COX, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME INTERESTING, UH, DATA THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE ON HOW STR MAY BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTING, UH, HOUSING, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, VOLUME OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR, FOR RENT AND OWNERS FOR LONG-TERM RENTERS AND OWNERS VERSUS SHORT-TERM.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING IMPACTFUL THAT WE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERING.

BUT MY OTHER QUESTION, AND THAT I DON'T, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF TONIGHT, IS, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN UP AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE LEVEL.

UM, I, I ACTUALLY, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE REASON WHY I WANTED TO GET INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, UH, CERTAIN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS AND PERMITTING MECHANISMS MAY BE PREEMPTED AT THE STATE LEVEL, POSSIBLY, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT, BUT THE, THERE ARE OTHER REGULATORY WAYS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING IF MM-HMM.

, THOSE MECHANISMS ARE PREEMPTED.

OKAY.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THIS CONVERSATION I WANTED TO GET INTO.

OKAY.

I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, HERE, WE JUST WANTED TO GET IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM COMMISSIONER MOSH TYLER, WE JUST NEED TO, RIGHT MR. RIVERA TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA CHAIR COMMISSION LAY ON ANDREW RIVERA.

YES.

I JUST NEED, UH, TWO MEMBERS, BUT, UM, WE MAY MEAN NEED ADDITIONAL TIME.

UM, FEBRUARY 28TH MEETINGS IS GOING TO BE, UH, QUITE HEAVY WITH CASES.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO POSTPONE ANY DISCUSSION ACTION TILL WE HAVE MORE TIME.

OKAY.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

WHEN WE, WHEN WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, COULD WE ASK SPECIFICALLY THAT IF THERE'S ANY STAFF THAT HAVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, WOULD THIS BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT DISCUSSION? CHAIR COMMISSION LAYS ON VERA.

UM, SO AS FAR AS, UM, HAVING STAFF AVAILABLE, I WOULD, I NEED TO, UH, CONFER WITH, UH, THEIR CALENDARS AND THAT

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OKAY.

WELL, LET'S, UH, OKAY, SO THAT'S ON, WE'LL GET THAT ON, IF NOT THE NEXT AGENDA, THE FOLLOWING, IF WE CAN PUT THAT IN.

UM, OKAY.

SO CHAIR, OH YES, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

SORRY.

SO I, I JUST WANNA SHARE REAL QUICK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A BIG FED REPORT JUST CAME OUT RECENTLY LOOKING AT THE PAST 35 YEARS OF HOUSING COSTS IN AMERICA.

AND FOR DECADES, ROUGHLY THREE TO 3.5 TIMES THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME COULD PURCHASE A HOME TODAY THAT'S ROUGHLY 4.5 TIMES.

AND SO, I MEAN, I KNOWS STR MIGHT BE LIKE A LITTLE PIECE OF THAT, AND THERE'S ALL THESE LITTLE PIECES, BUT THE ABUSE ZONING OVERALL AND THE WAY IT'S HANDLED AND OUR INABILITY, I HEARD THE WORD ANTIQUATED A MOMENT AGO.

LIKE, OUR CODE IS SO BAD AT JUST MAKING HOUSING DIFFICULT TO BUILD.

I REALLY HOPE THAT THIS BODY CAN FIGURE OUT WAYS TO PUT THE LION'S SHARE OF OUR TIME AND EFFORT TOWARD LEGALIZING HOUSING BEFORE ALL THESE OTHER POTENTIAL THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE LITTLE IMPACTS.

I, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S JUST A BIG PART OF ME THAT'S GONNA WANNA HAVE A BIG CONVERSATION.

WE HAVE THAT, SO I'M GLAD WE'RE NOT DOING IT ON THE 28TH WITH SUCH A BIG PACKED AGENDA.

OKAY.

WELL, I THINK, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND WE WILL, WHAT I THINK WE'LL HEAR MORE OF IS, UM, FROM THE HOUSING WORKING GROUP, SOME IDEAS, UH, THAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THEIR, THEIR, UH, WORK THAT WE MAY WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ACT ON AS SEPARATE WORKING GROUPS.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION FROM THEM, UH, ON THAT.

SO LET'S GO

[BOARDS, COMMITTEES & WORKING GROUPS UPDATES]

YOU WANNA GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT? SURE.

JEREMY, I'M SO SORRY.

OH, YES.

CAN I, COMMISSIONER ZER, I'M SO SORRY, THIS IS, WOULD NOT BE THE BEST PLACE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

UM, BUT SINCE IT WILL BE ON OUR FUTURE AGENDA, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND FROM COMMISSIONER, GO, CAN SHE TALK US A LITTLE BIT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHAT SHE'S THINKING FOR THE WORKING GROUP OF THE PALM DISTRICT PLAN? SINCE WE'RE GETTING THIS IN A FEW MONTHS? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THAT PROCESS FROM HERE UNTIL THEN LOOKS LIKE, AND HOW, HOW CAN FOLKS SORT OF ENGAGE IN THAT MEANINGFULLY? UH, SURE.

AND THAT WAS, AND NOT, UH, THAT IS ON THE UPDATES.

UM, DO YOU WANT SOMETHING NOW OR JUST, UH, NOPE, WE'LL WAIT FOR THE UPDATES.

OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT THEN.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL START JUST GOING AN ORDER HERE.

UM, I'M SORRY, ON THE CODES ORDINANCES? YES.

OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW, UM, WAS CANCELED.

OUR ONLY AGENDA ITEM WAS, UH, CONFIRMING THE 2023 SCHEDULE.

SO OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, WE'RE, WERE CONFIRMING, I THINK WE'RE A GO FOR MARCH 15TH, WHICH IS THE WEEK OF SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST AND SPRING BREAK.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, PEOPLE THERE FOR A QUORUM.

SO THAT'LL BE OUR NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FLORES OR COX, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY UPDATES THERE? UH, YEAH, THEY HAVE SET THE NEXT MEETING FOR MARCH 23RD.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE.

UM, I THINK WE HAD COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY ACTIVITY, UH, TO UPDATE THERE.

NO, I HAVE TO GO TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE TOMORROW AND SIGN A BUNCH OF STUFF.

OKAY.

UH, SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE.

UH, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING, UH, JANUARY, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING ON THE AGENDA.

SO, UH, NEXT MEETING'S NOT GONNA BE TILL, I GUESS MARCH, BUT, UM, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IF, UM, COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CERTAIN ITEMS BE LOOKED AT.

SO NOTHING TO UPDATE.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

AND ARE WE AT SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD? UH, THOMPSON.

WE MEET NEXT TUESDAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THEN THE DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATE WORKING GROUP, UH, VICE CHAIR HEMPEL OR COMMISSIONER COHEN.

UM, WE ARE, UH, STILL WORKING SLOWLY THROUGH THIS DRAFT, BUT MAKING GOOD PROGRESS.

AND, UH, CHAIR COHEN'S ON A DIFFERENT GROUP, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES.

BUILDINGS, AND SAME THING, UH, THEY'VE STARTED DOING IT RE REMOTELY NOW, WHICH IS KIND OF NICE, BUT IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER MY HEAD, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT MORE STUDYING.

, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO, BUT, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND HOUSING WORKING GROUP, UH, WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE TIME HERE.

UM, COMMISSIONER SHADE, DO YOU WANNA KIND OF TAKE THE LEAD HERE? SURE.

SO, UM, WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH, UH, AIA, AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS, AND WE REVIEWED WITH THEM, WE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT TRYING TO FIND SOME OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, UM, CODES AND STUFF THAT'S OFTEN LIKE ROADBLOCKS AND CREATING HOUSING OR, YOU KNOW, DEV, UM, BUILDING HOMES, DUPLEXES, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT,

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AND WE WERE ASKING FOR ONES THAT IF WE CAN HELP TWEAK THINGS, UH, WHAT CAN WE DO, OR EVEN ARCHAIC CODES, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND SO THEY CAME UP WITH A LIST AND THEY SAID, SOME OF THE LIST IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, EASY STUFF.

SOME OF THE STUFF MIGHT NEED ME MORE DISCUSSION, BUT THEY WANTED TO JUST GO AHEAD AND GET IT OUT THERE.

AND SO WE MET WITH 'EM AND WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THEM THROUGH ALL OF THESE.

UH, AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO MEET UP, UH, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND VOTE ON DIFFERENT ONES, BUT WE DIDN'T, I DON'T, I, I DIDN'T, WE, WE, WE DIDN'T GET TO HAVE, UH, THAT MEETING.

UM, SO WE'RE, WHAT I, WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW IS BRINGING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TO THE BODY AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GET THE FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS.

NOW, KEEP IN MIND, ALL OF THESE ARE GREAT IDEAS TO INCREASE HOUSING.

WHAT ARE THE ONES, AND THE EXERCISE ON THIS WAS FINDING A WAY FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO HELP CLEAN UP THE CODE BY FINDING THE LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE COULD TWEAK.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE, UH, ANYTHING BACK FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS.

AND THEN IF ANY OF THESE ARE INTERESTING FOR ALL, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE CAN BRING IT UP ACTION AS AN ACTION ITEM FOR US TO INITIATE THE CODE OR SEND A CODES AN ORDINANCE OR FOR FURTHER STUDY.

UM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE RIGHT NOW I SEE ONE OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, LO FURTHER DOWN WITH ABOUT ADUS AND DUPLEX IS WHAT WE JUST CREATED, A WORKING GROUP FOR IT, WHICH IS GREAT.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

AND THEN HAVE SOMETHING COME OUT, UH, ABOUT THAT.

UM, SO AS I KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS, I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY INPUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ON THAT, ON WHERE THEY THINK THIS SITS AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT PC CAN PUSH FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO INITIATE FOR CODE.

SO, UM, SO I'M GONNA JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE SO IT, IT IS IN YOUR BACKUP AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PUT AN ON SCREEN OR NOT, UM, OR I COULD JUST READ THROUGH THESE.

CAN CAN WE GET THAT ON THE SCREEN MR. RIVERA, PLEASE? IT WAS JUST A SPREADSHEET.

I DIDN'T REDO THIS.

I CAN GO AHEAD AND READ THE FIRST ONE.

OKAY, SORRY.

WE CAN KEEP MOVING.

SO, RECOMMENDATION ONE IS REMOVE BARRIERS TO DEVELOPMENT BY AMENDING CODE TO ALLOW FREQUENTLY OCCURRING MORE BASIC VARIANCE REQUESTS.

UH, THE VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE ACTION ONE IS TO REVISE THE COMPATIBILITY SETBACK STANDARDS IN ARTICLE 10 BY ADDING A LIST OF ITEMS THAT CAN BE IN THE 25 FOOT, NO STRUCTURE ZONE, INCLUDE A LIST OF EXCEPTIONS TO ITEMS SUCH AS DRIVEWAYS, INTERNAL FENCE TRANSFORMERS, PERMANENT TRANS REF, PERMANENT TRASH, REFUSE SCREENING, MARQUES SIGNS, FIRE LANES ABOVE GROUND WATER DETENTION SYSTEMS, ET CETERA.

REVISE THE LANGUAGE TO EXEMPT ANYTHING BUT A BUILDING, NOT A STRUCTURE.

AND THE CODE STATES THAT NO PERMANENT STRUCTURE CAN BE WITHIN THE ZONE.

THEREFORE, SMALL PERMANENT ITEMS THAT SERVE THE BUILDING CANNOT BE BUILT IN THIS ZONE WITHOUT GETTING A VARIANCE REQUEST.

THIS WOULD HELP TO REDUCE THE PROJECT TIMELINES AND COSTS AND GIVE MORE AREA BACK TO THE BUILDINGS TO HELP MAKE BUILDINGS MORE AFFORDABLE.

AND THIS ITEM WE'VE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT, UH, PREVIOUSLY WHEN COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO OUR START LOOKING AT, UM, THE, UH, COMPATIBILITY STUFF.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS I'D MENTIONED BEFORE, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, IN THE PAST APPROVED DETENTION PONDS, WE'VE APPROVED EVEN DECKS IN THE COMPATIBILITY SETBACK.

WE'VE EVEN APPROVED DECKS OVER DETENTION PONDS.

WE'VE APPROVED PARKING.

THERE'S QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT WE ARE, WE, IT ALWAYS ENDS.

I I CAN'T REMEMBER ANY TIMES THAT WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT.

SO IN INSTANCES LIKE THIS, THE IDEA IS RATHER THAN SETTING A PROJECT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL PROCESS, IT BECOMES, WE, WE JUST ALLOW THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE THE INTENT OFTEN WAS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT LIKE A BUILDING STRUCTURE IN THAT COMPATIBILITY SETBACK AREA.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT'S ITEM ONE.

AND I DUNNO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR, UM, ABOUT THIS.

OKAY,

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I CAN, I GUESS THAT'S COMMISSIONER COX.

WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING YOU GUYS.

UH OH, GO AHEAD.

UM, I DON'T KNOW, IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DISCUSS AND ASK QUESTIONS? UH, DO WE HAVE THIS SET FOR DISCUSSION? THIS IS JUST UPDATES, BUT I DID THINK WE DID WANT TO TRY TO ASSESS, UH, YOU KNOW, NEXT STEPS FOR THE WORKING GROUP.

I, IF IT'S JUST AN UPDATE, I CAN EMAIL SHAY MY, MY THOUGHT ON THAT.

SO WHAT CAN, YOU CAN'T AND, AND JUST, JUST, UH, YEAH, JAMES, UM, I'M GETTING COPIED ON SOME OF THESE HOUSING WORKING GROUP EMAILS, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M PART OF THE WORKING GROUP.

SO FYI, CHAIR COMMISSION, LADIES ON INVER.

AND ALONG THOSE LINES, I'M HAPPY TO, UM, FACILITATE THE, UM, INFORMATION TO THE WORKING GROUP.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO THE, THE ONLY, SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS AFTER I DELIVER THIS, IT BECOMES THE BODIES AND THE WORKING GROUP IS THEN DISSOLVED.

SO THERE'S NOTHING TO GIVE TO ANYBODY AT THAT AT THIS POINT.

RIGHT.

SO LET, LET'S GO AHEAD.

I, LET ME JUST SEE, DO WE WANNA GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS? UM, THERE'S REALLY NO DISCUSSION OR DO WE, I THINK THE ACTION I WOULD LIKE TO DECIDE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE GO, BECAUSE WE FORMED THIS WORKING GROUP AND I THINK THEY'VE MET THEIR OBLIGATION TO GO RESEARCH THIS, BRING INFORMATION BACK, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA DECIDE ON WHAT TO DO NEXT.

RIGHT.

AND I THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION, WE HAVE THIS, UH, THIS RESEARCH, WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION.

I THINK THIS IS, YOU GUYS HAS HAVE MET YOUR OBLIGATION.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DISSOLVE THE WORKING GROUP AND THEN THAT WAY AND WE CAN DECIDE, MEMBERS CAN DECIDE ON WHICH ITEMS THEY WANNA BRING UP AND PROPOSE FOR FUTURE WORKING GROUPS.

CORRECT.

YEAH.

OUT OF THIS LIST, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK WORKING GROUPS HAS, ARE CHARGED WITH A SPECIFIC TASK, NOT THIS ONGOING PIECE.

AND THIS BASICALLY CONCLUDED THE TASK.

I, I AGREE.

BUT WE COULD CREATE ANOTHER ONE TO PICK CERTAIN ITEMS TO CONTINUE.

JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADU ONE.

COULD, COULD WE JUST PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? I, I WON'T BE HERE, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT WE GET A PRESENTATION FROM THE WORKING GROUP AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF, OF THE WORKING GROUP.

YEAH.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO KEEP THE WORKING GROUP ACTIVE TO DOING WELL.

COMMISSIONER SHAY, DO YOU THINK WE NEED, NEED THAT? I'M JUST THINKING OF THE TIMING AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL STILL HAVE TO FOLKS HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, I MEAN, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THIS FIRST ONE HERE, TO ME, THIS IS ONE OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE.

THIS IS THIS, THIS IS THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE COMPATIBILITY THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF DISCUSSED CUZ WE HAVE THIS THING VERY SIMILAR THAT HAS GONE THROUGH IN THE COMPATIBILITY THING THAT WE DISCUSSED BACK IN WHAT, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PACKAGED IN ANOTHER PIECE OF ORDINANCE.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT MIGHT TAKE FOREVER TO GET APPROVED.

WHEREAS THIS IS STRAIGHTFORWARD RIGHT? TO THE POINT ON THINGS THAT WE OFTEN ALWAYS APPROVE.

WHAT IF THIS WENT IN INDEPENDENTLY? THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO DO.

SO, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T NEED, I DON'T NEED AN AN ANSWER NOW.

I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALL IT TAKES TO BRING THIS BACK IS TWO COMMISSIONERS TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I WANT A AGENDA ITEM TO LOOK AT COMPATIBILITY PIECE, YOU KNOW, AND ANOTHER ONE.

AND THEN IT BECOMES A DISCUSSION THING THAT WE CAN FINALLY MAKE IT A POINT TO SEE IF THEY WANNA MAKE AN ACTION TO INITIATE CODE.

SO I JUST, I'M, I WANNA GET THE PREFERENCE OF THOSE THAT ARE HERE.

DO WE WANT TO SCHEDULE, UM, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS WITH STAFF? OR DO WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DISSOLVE THE WORKING GROUP NOW? OR DO WE WANNA KEEP IT ON FOR ANOTHER, A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION? ANY CLARIFICATION CHAIR ARE THE WAY WE'RE POSTED FOR TONIGHT.

ARE WE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON THE ITEMS TONIGHT? THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE FROM THE, NO, IT'S JUST, I'M SORRY.

IT'S JUST AN UPDATE FROM THE WORKING GROUP.

THAT'S IT.

SO WE REALLY AREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS IT.

RIGHT.

UM, COMMISSIONER COX, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? UH, HON HONESTLY, IT WAS IN THE, IT WAS IN THE SIMILAR VEIN.

IF, IF WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT OR TAKE ACTION, UM, WE ALL, WELL I HAVE THIS DOCUMENT, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE IT.

UM, BUT, BUT I THINK, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING WELL NOW.

WELL, WE CAN POST IT, UH, FOR A DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING.

IT'S JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER

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OKAY.

SO WHETHER OR NOT WE, WE HAVE IT, WE CAN DISSOLVE THE WORKING GROUP OR WE WANNA KEEP IN ON JUST FOR ONE MORE PRESENTATION, COMMISSIONER ISAR CHAIR, JUST TO CERTIFY, HOPEFULLY MAKE THIS EASIER AND CLEAR EVEN IF WE DECIDE NOT TO.

SO BRING IT BACK FOR PRESENTATION TODAY.

ACTUALLY, ONCE PEOPLE ROLL OFF, IT BECOMES EASIER TO CALL THEM INTO WORKING GROUPS AND HAVE THEM PRESENT OR EVEN TALK TO COMMISSIONERS CUZ THEY DON'T MEET QUORUM REQUIREMENTS ACTUALLY.

UM, SO IN SOME WAYS IT'S EASIER TO TALK TO THOSE FOLKS ONCE THEY'VE ROLLED OFF.

WE CAN ACTUALLY ALL TALK TO THEM WITHOUT GETTING A QUORUM REQUIREMENT.

AND AGAIN, I THINK TO, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED, IT WOULD STILL BE PREROGATIVE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE BODY TO ACTUALLY THEN PULL IN A PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME OR PULL IN A DISCUSSION ITEM OR AN ACTION ITEM.

OKAY.

SO, UM, WHEN I'M HEARING IS THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTING MAYBE GOING AND DISSOLVING THE WORKING GROUP THIS EVENING? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? OKAY.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

I I CAN SUPPORT THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

J JUST, JUST ONE COMMENT CUZ I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THIS, THAT THE, THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE WORKING GROUP ARE PART OF THE BACKUP AND AVAILABLE YEP.

TO, TO EVERYONE TO SEE.

YEP.

CHAIR COMMISSION LADIES LIAISON, ANDREW FERRY.

YES.

UM, AS THIS IS, IT WASN'T A ITEM, IT'S NOTED AS A ZERO ZERO ON YOUR BACKUP.

IT'S THE FIRST, UM, PIECE OF BACKUP, UH, RIGHT BELOW THE AGENDA.

UM, SO IT CAN BE FOUND ON THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WEBPAGE, UH, FOR THIS DATE.

UM, THE OTHER THING TO JUST KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THE FUNCTION OF THE WORKING GROUP IS TO VOTE ON ITEMS. THOSE ITEMS ARE THEN, UH, UM, BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO CURRENTLY THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO ADOPTED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE WORKING GROUP.

UM, OKAY.

BUT WE CAN STILL DISSOLVE IT WITHOUT HAVING THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT, YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO DO WE NEED TO TAKE YOU ANY ACTION TO DISSOLVE THE WORKING GROUP OR IS JUST ON THE RECORD? OKAY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU OKAY WITH THAT COMMISSIONER SHAY? YEAH.

SO AFTER THIS IT'S DISSOLVED.

IT IS, AND WHATEVER THE COMMISSION WANTS, IF THERE'S SCREEN COMMISSIONERS WANT TO BRING BACK, THEN YOU GET ANOTHER PERSON AND WE CAN BRING THAT ITEM BACK TO INITIATE.

YEP, YEP.

THERE ARE A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS HERE AS WAS MENTIONED.

ANYONE CAN PICK THESE UP AND PROPOSE FUTURE ACT, FUTURE ITEM, UM, ACTION ACTIVITY WORKING GROUPS.

GO AHEAD, MR. THOMPSON.

I MEAN, I, I'M NOT ON THE WORKING GROUP, SO I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO THE TIME AND EFFORT, BUT WOULD IT NOT BE GOOD TO HAVE A, A FINAL WORKING GROUP VOTE ON, ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS? SO WE, WE TRIED THAT AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO VOTED ON .

YES.

WELL, IT WAS UNANIMOUS.

YEAH.

SO , I THINK WE WERE JUST HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING FOLKS TOGETHER AND MAKING THAT HAPPEN.

SO, UM, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ITEM.

LET'S GO AND, UH, I GUESS WE CAN, SORRY, COMMENT.

WE JUST TO THANK COMMISSIONER, UM, SHA FOR LEADING THE WORKING GROUP ON BEHALF OF THE WORKING GROUP.

I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF BRIDGING THOSE GAPS.

I JUST WANT IT REALLY THANK HIM FOR THOSE EFFORTS.

SO I KNOW THIS WAS A HEAVY LIFT, SO AM I GOING THROUGH THE REST OF THIS? NO, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WE, WE ARE LEAVING IT FOR OTHER, FOR THE BODY TO REVIEW ON THEIR OWN.

OH, I SEE.

DID YOU, OKAY, .

UH, I HONESTLY, I I THINK WE SHOULD JUST, I MEAN, I, I GET IT.

EVERYBODY CAN LOOK AT IT AND READ IT.

OKAY.

UM, UH, BUT WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE OKAY.

IF YOU WANNA RE IF, I MEAN TO ME, IF, IF I COULD JUST GO THROUGH IT IN RESPECT TO EVERYBODY WHO'S WORKED ON IT, THAT'S ALLOW DO AS AN UPDATE.

YEAH.

UM, AS, AS AN UPDATE.

I, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY.

UM, OKAY.

SO, OKAY.

SO WE WENT THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATION TO INCENTIVIZE THE PRESERVATION OF MORE OF AUSTIN'S NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.

SO THERE WAS A 2022 PRESERVATION IN CENTRAL PROPOSAL THAT WAS CREATED BY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD.

UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

HOWEVER, IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IS, THERE'S SO MANY MOVING PIECES BETWEEN HISTORIC DEPARTMENT WITH, UH, HOW DO YOU MANAGE IT IF SOMEBODY DECIDES TO TEAR DOWN ONE PIECE OR REBUILD, AND WHAT'S DETERMIN IS HISTORIC, WHAT'S NOT? UM, IT'S GOOD IDEAS, GOOD START, BUT IT'S, IT'S QUITE COMPLEX.

UH, RECOMMENDATION THREE IS GIVE SF THREE PROPERTY OWNERS MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW TO DEVELOP TWO UNITS ON THEIR LOT.

NOW THIS IS THE ONE FOR THOSE WHO ARE, THOSE OF US THAT ARE ON THE ADU AND DUPLEX GROUP, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW, FOR INSTANCE, ADUS HAVE A LIMIT SIZE OF 1100 SQUARE FEET, YET DUPLEXES DON'T HAVE A LIMIT ON HOW YOU SPLIT THAT UP.

AND THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS IT A 57 50 SQUARE FOOT LOT OR 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT? IT'S KIND OF SILLY BECAUSE IN THE END, IF YOU'RE OUTLYING ADU VERSUS A DUPLEX, IT GETS ALL CONVOLUTED.

IT'S

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SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO.

ELIMINATE THE COMMON WALL DUPLEX REQUIREMENTS SIMILAR TO ABOVE ON A DUPLEX TWO PRO.

THE, THE TWO HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO AN ADU.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ATTACHED.

SO AGAIN, WHY ARE WE EVEN CONVOLUTING BETWEEN ONE OR TWO OR THE OTHER? OKAY, THE NEXT THING IS SIDE YARD STREET, UH, SETBACK.

FOR INSTANCE, IN CORNER LOTS, IT'S 15 FEET CORNER.

LOTS ARE PERFECT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE UNITS BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE FRONTAGES, YET WE'RE LIMITING CORNER LOTS CONSIDERABLY.

SO CONSIDER ON THESE SIDE YARD SETBACKS, CORNER LOTS TO GO FROM 15 DOWN TO 10 TO HELP CONS, UH, INCENTIVIZE CREATING MORE HOUSING ALONG THAT.

UH, AND THEN REAR SETBACK FROM 10 FOOT TO FIVE FOOT, FIVE FOOT.

SO 10 FOOT IS TYPICALLY A, A HABITABLE BUILDING.

FIVE FOOT, UH, IS ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

SO IS IT ONE OR THE OTHER? SOMEBODY COULD PUT A GARAGE.

WE CAN'T PUT A BUILDING IN THE END, IT'S A BUILDING.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER.

UH, AND THEN WE HAVE TALKING ABOUT PARKING.

WE HAVE ADUS RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE TO HAVE PARKING, BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS SAY IF THE ADU IS SMALLER THAN X AMOUNT WITHIN A QUARTER MILE, WE COULD SAY NO PARKING.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT OUR WORKING GROUP CAN BE LOOKING AT.

THE OTHER THING FINALLY, UH, ON THIS PART IS, UH, WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING THESE HOMES UNDER MCMANSION, EVERYBODY'S GIVEN A 200, UH, F A R FLOOR AREA RATIO EXEMPTION TO DO A GARAGE.