Mar 07, 2023 Zoning and Platting Commission

SO, OH YES.

COMMISSIONER KING HERE, HERE.

UH, I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE STAFF IS GONNA CORRECT SOME, SOME MINOR MISSPELLING, UH, IN THE NAMES OF THE, SOME ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS IN THE MINUTES.

THAT'S ALL.

I'M, I'M ASSUMING THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

NOTED.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS C FOURTEEN TWENTY TWENTY TWO ONE THREE THREE TEN SEVEN OH ONE DESAL ROAD.

UM, SO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS C 14 20 22 0 4.

PIONEER HERE, HILL PLAZA, DISTRICT ONE WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT ONE.

THAT ITEM HAS BEEN POST STAFF IS SEEKING POSTPONEMENT UNTIL MARCH 21ST.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS C 14 20 22 1 59 STANDING ROCK RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SEEKING POSTPONEMENT FOR THAT ONE UNTIL APRIL 4TH.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS C 8 20 22 0 0 3, 0 8 5600, JACKIE ROBINSON.

UM, THAT IS CONSENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS AS, UH, SHOWN IN EXHIBIT C AND ITEM SIX, UH, FINAL PLAT C 8 20 22 0 3 EIGHTEEN.ZERO A MAXWELL SUBDIVISION IS, UH, UP FOR DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT C.

AND, UH, FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HAS JOINED US AND COMMISSIONER DINKLER HAS JOINED US ON THE DIAS.

HELLO.

SO, UM, MOTION TO, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS READ? IS THERE SECOND? SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DINKLER? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OH, KEY DOKE.

THAT LOOKS UNANIMOUS.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO,

[2. Rezoning: C14-2022-0040 - Pioneer Hill Plaza; District 1]

WHICH IS UP FOR DISCUSSION FROM MS. CHAIR.

YES, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE IF I COULD THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER STERN IS WITH US.

HE RAISED HIS HANDS.

I THINK HE CAN HEAR US.

HEATHER CHAFFIN, SOME DEPARTMENT OR ANOTHER PRESENTING FROM HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT CASE C 14 20 22 0 40.

PIONEER HILL HILL PLAZA ADDRESS IS THOUSAND 17 AND A HALF AND 1501 AND A HALF ARBOR SIDE DRIVE.

IT'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF ACRES.

THE REQUEST IS TO GO FROM MF THREE C TO CS STAFF RECOMMENDS G R M U CO.

THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY WOULD PROHIBIT AUTOMOTIVE RENTAL SALES REPAIR SERVICES, WASHING OF ANY TYPE AND SERVICE STATION.

THERE IS AN EXISTING T I FOR A LARGER AREA, WHICH INCLUDES THIS PROPERTY.

IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ATTACHED TO THE ZONING IN THE PAST VIA CONDITIONAL OVERLAY.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING, AS YOU KNOW, LAW DEPARTMENT ATTACHES THESE THINGS VIA PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.

SO HOWEVER, LAW DEPARTMENT DETERMINES THAT IT SHOULD BE ATTACHED GOING FORWARD.

THAT WILL BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

UH, THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT'S IN THE ISSUE SECTION.

THE PROPERTY'S AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF DESSAU AND ARBOR SIDE DRIVE.

IT'S UNDEVELOPED AND ZONED MF THREE CO.

AND THE CO IS ONLY ABOUT THE T I A.

THERE'S AN UNCONSTRUCTED ROAD RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, CALLED EDGE, EDGE, EDGE WORTH BEND, AND UNNAMED STREETS LOCATED ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINES PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST IS ZONED MF FOUR AND INCLUDES UNDEVELOPED LAND AND MULTI-FAMILY LAND USES EAST OF THE REZONING TRACT ARE UNDEVELOPED.

SF SIX CO TRACKS.

FURTHER NORTHEAST ARE SF SIX CO TRACKS THAT ARE DEVELOPED WITH SMALL LOT

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SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

CROSS ARBOR SIDE TO THE NORTH IS UNDEVELOPED LAND ZONED MF THREE CO TO THE WEST CROSS.

DESS SAW IS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ZONED SF THREE.

NP OF THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT, TN D ZONING IN 2011, AND IT WENT TO G R C O AND LICO.

UM, SINCE THERE WAS LI ON THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS A LONG LIST OF PROHIBITED USES THAT ARE PROVIDED THERE IN, IN THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE.

THE PROPERTY WAS LATER REZONED IN 2020 TO 2021 TO MF THREE CO.

SO IT WENT FROM G R C O L I C O TO MF THREE CO A LITTLE WHILE BACK.

AND THE PROHIBITED USES, UH, DIDN'T MATTER ANYMORE BECAUSE OF MULTI-FAMILY ZONING, BUT THE T I A WAS CARRIED FORWARD.

STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT CS AT THIS LOCATION.

HARBORSIDE DRIVE IS THE ENTRY TO AN SF SIX NEIGHBORHOOD AND CS ZONING ALLOWS SEVERAL INTENSE LAND USES THAT ARE NOT SUITABLE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

STAFF SUPPORTS G R M UCO FOR THE SITE WITH THE AUTOMOTIVE USES, UH, THAT I LISTED PROHIBITED.

UM, WE, THE CITY GENERALLY DOES NOT APPROVE A SERVICE STATION AT THE ENTRANCE TO SINGLE FAMILY OR SMALL LOT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, IF IT WAS G R M U C O, UH, THE SITE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A RANGE OF LOCAL COMMERCIAL SERVICES IN AN AREA THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL AND ALLOW, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THE MU JUST IN CASE THEY WOULD WANT TO GO BACK.

UM, CS ZONING IS, AGAIN, NOT USUALLY LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE ALONG AN ARTERIAL OR MAJOR COLLECTOR ROADWAY.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, IT'S NOT MID-BLOCK, BUT THE DISTANCE FROM THIS SITE TO BREAKER TO THE NORTH, AND I'M BLANKING OUT TO THE SOUTH, IT, IT'S EFFECTIVELY, UM, FAR AWAY FROM THE, THE MAJOR ARTERIALS THAT INTERSECT WITH DESAL.

SO I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

CHAIR.

WILL NOW HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, MS. ROSE HARGRAVE, FOLLOWED BY SAMIRA BATTA.

UH, MS. HARGRAVE, YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES.

SO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE PICTURES THROUGHOUT THIS IS FROM THE LAST THREE YEARS WHERE THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE SITE THAT DEMONSTRATES ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THIS SITE.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

MY NAME'S ROSE HARGRAVE AND I AM A LAND USE ATTORNEY.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I AM A LONG SERVING PUBLIC SERVANT FROM SUNSET VALLEY AND A CONTINUED VOLUNTEER HERE IN AUSTIN.

I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE.

I CAN WALK TO RESTAURANTS AND WALK TO GET MY DOG TO THE VET TO GET A HAIRCUT.

IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY LOVE ABOUT MY LITTLE NICHE IN SOUTH AUSTIN IS THAT EVEN ON DAYS I DON'T HAVE A CAR I CAN WALK TO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING I WANNA DO ON THE WEEKENDS.

PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS NOT TO DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT STAFF JUST PRESENTED.

WE ARE ASKING FOR A VERY CLEAR EXCEPTION, WHICH WOULD BE TO HAVE A SERVICE STATION AS PART OF A LARGER SITE PLAN THAT INCLUDES THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD NECESSITIES FOR ALL OF THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT CURRENTLY EXIST.

SO IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT A SCREENSHOT OF THIS AREA AND SPAN UP, YOU WOULD SEE THEY DON'T NEED MORE RESIDENTIAL USE.

WHAT THEY NEED ARE AMENITIES TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.

AND SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THIS IS A SCHEMATIC, SO IT WOULDN'T LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE CREATING A RESTAURANT, UH, BODEGA TYPE STORE.

SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ACTIVELY UTILIZED MORNING, AFTERNOON, EVENING, AND ON THE WEEKENDS, NOT BY PEOPLE COMMUTING THROUGH, BUT DIRECTLY UTILIZED BY THE NEIGHBORS, THE SERVICE STATION.

WE UNDERSTOOD THAT UNDER THE CS, THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.

WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING IS THE CS ZONING DE DESIGNATION, BUT IF NOT, TO ALLOW US AN EXCEPTION TO THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY TO ALLOW IT.

AND AGAIN, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO RESTRICTING THIS TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT WE'RE WANTING, WHICH WOULD BE A RESTAURANT SORT OF A NOT WHAT WE'RE CALLING.

AND AGAIN, THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE UP HERE ARE IMAGES FROM OUR APPLICANT.

SO THEY'RE FROM ANOTHER SITE THAT THEY HAVE HERE IN AUSTIN.

SO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE IMAGES IS FROM, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THEIR PRECEDENT, WHICH IS A SITE CALLED THE MOORE CAFE.

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WHAT WE WOULD BE ADDING TO THIS SITE THAT OUR EXISTING PRECEDENT SITE DOES NOT HAVE IS GREEN SPACE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED BY BOTH THE PEOPLE ON SITE, BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ADJACENT.

AND IN AN IDEAL SITUATION, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THE LARGEST RETAIL SPACE TO BE FOR SOME SORT OF CHILD ACTIVITY CENTER OR A DAYCARE.

AND SO THE WAY IT'S BEEN DESIGNED HERE, THE FARTHEST PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENCE, THAT'S WHERE THE GREEN SPACE WOULD BE.

THE SCHOOL OR THE DAYCARE CHILD CENTER WOULD BE IN THE CENTER.

THE IDEA BEING THAT THAT'S A FACILITY THAT WOULD NOT BE ACTIVATED ON THE WEEKENDS OR AFTER SAY, FIVE OR 6:00 PM SO THE PART OF THE SITE THAT WOULD HAVE THE MOST ACTIVITY, THE MOST NOISE, THE MOST, UH, POTENTIAL DISTURBANCE HAS BEEN PLACED THE FARTHEST AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE, UM, WITH THE SERVICE STATION BEING AT THE VERY FRONT.

AND THE IDEA HERE IS TO BE REALISTIC OF WHAT NEIGHBORS WANT.

AND SO THIS IS WHERE I PUT MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF IN THE MORNING WHEN I'M GETTING UP, TRYING TO GET MY TWO KIDS OUT THE DOOR, MANAGE THE DOGS, MANAGE THE DAY.

I ACTUALLY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, IT'S ACTUALLY THE ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE IN MY CITY.

THE ONE THING I WISH I HAD WAS A GAS STATION LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE.

UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE.

SO THE WAY THAT WE LAID THIS OUT, IT WOULD ALSO HAVE CHARGING STATIONS AND EVEN SORT OF THINKING TO THE FUTURE OF SCOOTERS, BIKES, ANY OF THE TYPE STATIONS OR AMENITIES THAT A SITE LIKE THIS SHOULD HAVE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WALK TO IT, TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BRING WHATEVER SOURCE OF, UH, MOBILITY THAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE SITE AND TO ACTUALLY SPEND TIME ON THIS SITE.

SO YOU WOULD COME, GET YOUR GAS, POTENTIALLY CHARGE YOUR CAR, STOP IN, GET A COFFEE, HAVE BREAKFAST WITH SOMEBODY, SORT OF LIKE THE DINER CONCEPT.

UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE SMALL KIDS, YOU COULD DROP YOUR KIDS OFF AND THEN MEET SOMEBODY.

AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO'VE EVER HAD TO COMMUTE IN TRAFFIC, THE CLOSER YOUR CHILDCARE CENTER IS TO YOUR HOME, IT SURE MAKES COORDINATING THINGS A LOT EASIER.

IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, YOU CAN CALL A NEIGHBOR TO WALK OVER OR TO RIDE OVER AND GRAB YOUR KIDS FOR YOU.

SO IF YOU WOULD SLIDE THROUGH TO THE NEXT.

AND SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S LOOKING AT THIS, THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THEY'RE CURRENT, WHAT I'M CALLING THEIR PRECEDENT EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY'VE LOCATED IT, WHICH IS ACTIVELY IN USE.

UM, AND I DID GO AND VISIT IT TO SEE, AND IT'S GREAT, IT FITS A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT MANY OF US WHO'VE LIVED IN AUSTIN.

WE OFTEN SAY IT SURE WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD MORE OF THIS, IF WE HAD THE ABILITY TO TRULY GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOUSES, UM, IN A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN CONVENIENTLY HANG OUT, BUT ALSO GET SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY GET IN A STRIP CENTER OR A RETAIL STREET THAT'S SELLING YOU THINGS YOU MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT NEED.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, AND THEN PART OF WHAT I NOTICED WHEN I WENT TO THE MOORE CAFE IS THAT IT'S NATURALLY GONNA TAKE ON THE LOCAL CULTURE OF ITS NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THE FARTHER YOU GET A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS FROM THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORS, THE MORE IT WILL FEEL, UM, STERILIZED OR IT'LL FEEL LIKE WHATEVER THE, THE DEVELOPER PUT INTO IT.

AND WHEN I WENT TO THE MORE CAFE, WHAT I NOTICED AND APPRECIATED ABOUT IT WAS THAT IT VERY MUCH HAS THE FLARE AND THE FLAVOR OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THAT'S THE IDEA THAT WE'RE WANTING TO BRING IN HERE, IS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT FITS THE NEEDS OF EXISTING RESIDENTS AND FILLS THE GAP OF WHAT THEY MIGHT NEED.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS WHERE I SORT OF LAID OUT HOW I WOULD IMAGINE, UM, IF I LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVATING IT.

WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM SAMIR OP OMATA.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER CHAIR.

THERE WAS NO SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO, UH, PROVIDE A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL OR IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO HAVE A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION THAT WEREN'T AWARE THAT THEY NEEDED TO SIGN UP? I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMEONE IN THE VERY BACK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO SIGN UP TO DO SO.

TO COME TO THE FRONT AND TALK TO THIS MAN RIGHT HERE.

CHAIR, COMMISSION, LAY ON.

SO WHAT YOU CAN DO IS JUST CALL UPON THE PERSON, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, REMARKS, ORDER TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM.

SAY, I'M SORRY, SAY IT AGAIN.

I WAS, THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO SPEAK ON, UH, TO CALL UPON PERSON IN THE CHAMBERS.

BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR HIM TO SIGN UP.

BUT WE CAN ASK YOU A QUESTION.

WHAT'S YOUR NAME? MY NAME IS MATT HORTON.

I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ADJOINING OR JUST TO THE NORTH.

DO, WHY DON'T YOU, MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL US? WELL, YOU KNOW, IF I MAY.

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AND THANK YOU FOR STATE YOUR NAME.

YES, YES SIR.

THANK YOU, UH, COUNSEL AND, AND, AND AUDIENCE FOR, UM, FOR HAVING ME ON THIS IMPRO MOMENT.

THREE MINUTES.

NO PROBLEM.

I SHOULDN'T EVEN TAKE THAT LONG.

UM, NO, WE, WE WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF, UH, OF THIS.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER DIDN'T, UH, UH, FAILED TO MENTION WAS THAT THE, THAT THE ARBOR SIDE ROAD RIGHT THERE LEADS INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS EFFECTIVELY A, AND I HAVEN'T COUNTED THE NUMBER OF RE RESIDENCES IN THERE, BUT I'M GONNA GUESS THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE NORTH OF FIVE OR 600 RESIDENCES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE FORCED OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ONTO THIS ONE STREET.

SO YOU HAVE BASICALLY A CUL-DE-SAC THAT IS HOWEVER MANY ACRES THAT IS IN, UH, IN, IN EXTENT.

AND IT IS, AND IT IS EXACTLY THAT.

THERE IS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.

YOU PUT A GAS STATION RIGHT THERE AND THE, AND THE TRAFFIC AT THAT INTER, AT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, WHICH IS DANGEROUS AS ENOUGH, ENOUGH, EXCUSE ME.

ENOUGH AS IT IS, UM, IT, IT'S, IT IS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.

AND I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT NO ONE'S GONNA BE TAKING THEIR CHILDREN TO A DAYCARE CENTER AT A GAS STATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO CHAIR, WITH THAT, WE, I CAN ALLOW THE, UH, APPLICANT TO HAVE A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL.

I'LL YIELD MY TIME IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OOPS.

AND THEN, SO MOVED AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FAUST.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO SOUNDED LIKE I LOOKED LIKE COMMISSIONER DINKLER HAD A QUESTION.

I HAD TWO .

ONE QUESTION IS FOR MS. UH, CHAPIN.

UM, I WASN'T CLEAR.

IS STEPH SAYING WE SHOULD DO THE T I A, UH, AS A C OR A PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANT? WE'RE DEFERRING TO LAW DEPARTMENT.

THEY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT YET.

GOT IT.

AND THEN, UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE APPLICANT JUST PRESENTED TO US THAT THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE A SERVICE STATION THERE WITH A POTENTIAL FOR MARKET AND THEN RETAIL.

I KNOW SERVICE STATIONS CAN INCLUDE A CONVENIENCE MARKET.

SO THE MARKET I SEE.

BUT WHAT ABOUT RETAIL? UM, WHAT WAS THAT? RETAIL, WE RETAIL WOULD BE, UM, PERMITTED, UH, WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS STATION.

WELL, NO, UH, MOST, UH, IF YOU THINK OF A CIRCLE K WITH GAS PUMPS, IT'S USUALLY FOOD SALES FOR THE BUILDING AND SERVICE STATION FOR THE PUMPS.

SO, UH, G R M U WOULD ALLOW RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, DAYCARE, UH, A WIDE RANGE.

I GOT IT.

, I MEAN, I, I, THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT MOST OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IS IN G R M U THE WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S MISSING IS A SERVICE STATION, WHICH THERE IS ONE LESS THAN A MILE OR A LITTLE BIT OVER A MILE AWAY.

SO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE DRIVE EXISTS TODAY.

SO I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR, THERE'S A SHELL BEFORE BREAKER LANE, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

I DUNNO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS COMMENTS.

UM, I'LL JUST SAY, OH, GO AHEAD.

NO, I'M SORRY.

SOMEBODY GO AHEAD.

UH, COMMISSIONER BOONE.

I, I GUESS I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE DISSONANCE BETWEEN A LOT OF THE CHARACTERIZATIONS OF WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE, THE PLAN THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A DRIVE THROUGH AND A PARKING ISLAND WITH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DIDN'T SEE A SINGLE PLACE WHERE A SIDEWALK ACTUALLY PENETRATED INTO, UM, THE WALKABLE COMMUNITY.

UM, ALSO THE CHARACTERIZATION OF DESSAU AS, YOU KNOW, A SMALL ROAD AND THIS BEING A BIT BLOCK DEVELOPMENT, I'LL JUST KIND OF SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT YEAH.

A RETREAT TO THE WORD DISSONANT FROM THE ACTUAL CHARACTERIZATION OF THE AREA.

AND SO I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC CRITIQUES OTHER THAN IT'S, UM, I I I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING LIKE A MID-BLOCK RIVERSIDE DE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M KEEPING IN MIND HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I'VE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.

IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND PUT IN ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS, WHAT IS THAT CONSIDERED? MM-HMM.

, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE KIND OF IN THE WHOLE STREET FURNITURE SITE PLAN, TRANSPORTATION REVIEW, KIND OF NOT A USE, LIKE A PARKING AMENITY.

SO THEY COULD PUT CHARGING STATIONS IN HERE WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

JUST COULDN'T PUT THE GAS PUMPS.

YEAH, THERE'S CHARGING A NEW TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE HAD HEARD OF IN THE PAST FEW YEARS IS LIKE A ENTIRE PARKING LOT.

NEVER, NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

THERE'S A,

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OF CHARGING STATIONS.

, THAT IS A, A DIFFERENT USE BECAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT.

I'VE SEEN IN SUNSET VALLEY THEY'RE CHANGING A LOT OF THE PARKING LOTS OVER TO CHARGING STATIONS.

EXACTLY.

IN SUNSET VALLEY.

BUT JUST A HANDFUL OF THEM.

IT'S JUST A GOOD THING, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT AS TO WHY YOU BELIEVE A SERVICE STATION IS NECESSARY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SUCCESS AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITHOUT IT.

AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THE SUBJECTIVE COMMENTS TONIGHT.

IT TO EACH THEIR OWN.

SO FOR ME, MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION, AND THIS ALSO SPEAKS AS ME BEING A WOMAN WITH LITTLE KIDS, IF I STOP AT A GAS STATION, I WANT IT TO FEEL CLEAN, SAFE, OPEN.

I HAVE ALL THESE THINGS THAT I HAVE TO TICK OFF.

UM, AND WHERE I LIVE, I'M WITHIN A MILE OF A MILE FROM ONE GAS STATION TOO, FROM ANOTHER, I DON'T USE EITHER ONE OF 'EM CUZ THEY DON'T FIT THOSE NEEDS.

SO FOR SOME RESIDENTS THEY WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT NECESSARY.

BUT FOR OTHER RESIDENTS, THEY WOULD SAY NOTHING WOULD MAKE ME HAPPIER THAN HAVING A REALLY WELL PLANNED CLEAN NEW SORT OF A MODERN STATION LIKE A RUDY'S GAS STATION OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, LARGER, NEWER STATIONS WHERE THEY REALLY ARE KEPT CLEAN AND BRIGHT AND WHERE YOU SEE OTHER PEOPLE MILLING AROUND DOING OTHER THINGS.

AND WHERE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND GET SOMETHING OTHER THAN CANDY BARS AND SLUSHIES.

SUBJECTIVE, FOR ME IT WOULD BE A NECE NECESSITY, BUT MAYBE NOT FOR OTHERS.

AWESOME.

GO.

UM, OKAY.

WELL I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU'VE HEARD ME COMPLAIN OVER THE EIGHT YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON HERE THAT THERE AREN'T ENOUGH LIKE WALKABLE AMENITIES FOR PEOPLE IN THESE AREAS.

AND I THINK THAT A GAS STATION IS NOT NECESSARY.

AND I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK TO AND USE.

AND I THINK A DAYCARE WOULD BE MORE LIKELY HERE WITHOUT A GAS STATION.

SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

IS THAT A MOTION? OKAY.

I MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION SECONDARY BY COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

ANY DISCUSSION? UM, WELL I'M MIXED ON THIS ONE.

UH, CAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IS SAYING IS THAT IN SUNSET VALLEY THERE IS A GAS STATION AT THE CORNER OF WEST CAPE, BUT I DON'T GO THERE.

I WOULD NOT GO THERE.

UM, I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE GOING THERE FOR ME.

AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WITHIN SEVERAL MILES OF THAT AREA.

UM, SO THAT SUNSET VALLEY IS A STRANGE AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY GAS STATIONS.

UM, SO I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT.

WANTING A NICE CLEAN, UPSCALE PLACE TO FILL YOUR CAR UP WITH GAS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T SEE THAT MIXING WITH THE DAYCARE .

IT'S JUST, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, , IT'S JUST KIND OF A STRANGE COMBINATION OF THINGS IN THERE.

SORRY, COULD WE SEE THE SLIDE AGAIN THAT SHOWS THE SITE PLAN WHERE THE DAYCARE AND THE GAS STATION ARE JUST TO KIND OF SEE THEIR SPATIAL RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER? YEAH.

OH, IS THERE A GAP BETWEEN THEM? UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.

NO, IT'S RIGHT.

IT'LL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, IT'LL BE, THEY COULD BE RIGHT IN THERE.

SORRY, I CAN'T SEE THE LABELING VERY CLEARLY.

, IT'S NOT LABELED.

OH, OKAY.

IT'S JUST THE WHOLE THING IS LABELED, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET.

GOTCHA.

SO THEY WOULD ALL BE IN THAT ONE BUILDING.

I JUST, UM, OKAY, SO SORRY TO ORIENT YOU.

IT'S THE WHITE RECTANGLE.

SO IT'S THE WHITE RECTANGLE BETWEEN THE DETENTION POND AND THE RETAIL.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT SITS PERPENDICULAR TO THE RETAIL.

I DUNNO.

SO THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED.

NOT CONNECTED AT ALL.

IS THAT WHITE SPACE RECTANGLE? CORRECT.

BEHIND THE NOT CONNECTED.

AND RETAIL WOULD BE NOT CONNECTED IN THEIR PARKING SPACES, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO.

I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S A, LIKE RIGHT.

A DAYCARE AT A GAS STATION.

SO MUCH ON THE SITE PLAN.

YOU CAN TELL THAT'S THIS BUILDING BACK THERE.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS A BUILDING ON THE SITE LAND.

UM, SO 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4 PUMPS.

CAN, CAN Y'ALL PULL IT UP? YEAH, BECAUSE I NEEDED TO, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY PUMPS ARE PROPOSED.

FIVE.

THERE'S NOTHING TO KEEP THEM FROM DOING EGG PUMPS.

I I THINK A CHILDCARE NEXT TO A SERVICE STATION IS, UM, PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

UM, I DO KNOW, I JUST COUNTED ON THE, THE, UM, ZONING USE SUMMARY TABLE.

THERE ARE 39 GR USES THAT THEY COULD DO ON THIS SITE.

UM, I THINK SHE'S GOT THE POTENTIAL, THE, UH,

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OWNER HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DO A LOT OF USES THERE.

UM, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

I I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE T I SO THEY REMOVE THE, UM, THIS CHANGE IN ZONING WOULD REMOVE THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE NO NEED CLARIFICATION? NO, IT WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE TIA.

THE ONLY ISSUE IS HOW ARE WE GONNA ATTACH IT.

AND DID THE TIA INCLUDE MITIGATION OR IMPROVEMENTS OF THE, LIKE A SIGNALIZE CROSSING AT THIS INTERSECTION OR SOME, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD NOT EXPECT SO BECAUSE OF ITS AGE.

IT'S, IT'S PRETTY OLD.

AND SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD HAVE THE, IT WOULD REACH THE THRESHOLD FOR TRIPS THAT WOULD TRIGGER A NEWT I A OR I SEE THE OWNER BACK THERE.

BUT I THINK MS. SHEEN CAN ANSWER YEAH.

IF, IF IT HELPS.

WHAT THEY SAID IN THE COMMENTS FROM TRANSPORTATION IS THEY WANTED A MEMO.

I HAD THE SAME CONCERN.

2011 IS AN OLD T I A, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD ASK THE OWNER TO UPDATE HOW MANY OF THOSE TRIPS THEY USE.

AND IF THIS SITE GENERATES, UM, TWO, THEY'LL, THEY'LL NEED TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST ALL THE OTHERS.

SO, BECAUSE I THINK THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE HAS A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT.

I IMAGINE THAT THE SUBDIVISION WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE MORE, BUT INTO AND OUT OF.

BUT I SAW ON THE CITY'S SIGNAL PAGE THAT THERE IS A STUDY GOING ON SOUTH OF HERE, BUT NOTHING AT ARBOR.

WHAT'S IT CALLED? ARBOR ARB.

SIDE SIDE.

UM, SO I MEAN, I AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE ATTRACTING MORE TRIPS, THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION TO SAFE, UH, ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.

IS THERE A BACK WAY OUT ON CRISWELL OR SPRINKLE ROAD? I DON'T SEE.

MAYBE, MAYBE.

I DON'T THINK SO.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DISCERNIBLE ON THE ZONING MAP, BUT AS I SAID, THERE ARE SOME UNCONSTRUCTED ROADWAYS.

I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF THEY CONNECT OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE SOME IN THE AREA.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO COME BACK TO THE DAYCARE THING BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS.

AND I DO SEE SOMETHING THAT IN CALIFORNIA THEY, IN A LONG TIME IN 2005, THEY RECOMMENDED A MINIMUM 300 FOOT SEPARATION FROM NEW GAS STATIONS AND DAYCARES AND OTHER THINGS.

SO I THINK, UM, I, I'M BACK TO IT THAT IF IT'S, UM, I THINK A GAS STATION IN MANY WAYS IS A BIG NEGATIVE HERE AND I, WHEN YOU START WEIGHING EVERYTHING, SO THAT'S IT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE, I CAN'T SEE YOU GUYS IN TV LAND.

WELL THEN, UM, CHAIR.

YEAH, I JUST WANNA ADD TO THE COMMENT HERE THAT, UM, I THINK THE BIG RED FLAG FOR ME IS THAT OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT HAS NOT INCLUDED WHY THE CONDITION OVERLAY WAS PUT THERE AND CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND WHETHER THEY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CHANGING IT.

SO I'M SURE THAT COMMISSIONER THOMPSON WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT WITHOUT HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY HAVE THIS STRONG NEED TO CHANGE A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS DONE ENOUGH TO MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND VERSUS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.

AGREED.

ANY ANYONE ELSE ON THE SCREEN? YES, COMMISSIONER KING.

WELL, I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER STERN AND THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

UM, AND, BUT I, I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE NEED NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL PLAN, NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL PLANNING SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN CHIME IN AND CAN SAY, THIS IS THE KIND OF AMENITIES AND SERVICES WE NEED AND HERE'S KIND OF WHERE WE THINK THEY SHOULD BE SO THAT THEY'RE CLOSE TO US WITH WALKABLE.

ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

SO, UH, I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SUPPORTING STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.

SH ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? I JUST WANNA OH, ASK A GO AHEAD.

QUESTION IS STAFF.

ABSOLUTELY.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOTICED BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS SCHEDULED FOR A HEARING LAST WEEK AND WE WERE NOT NOTICED.

SO IT GOT POSTPONED.

AND I FEEL LIKE, YEAH, WE KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET NOTICES, BUT NOT EVERYBODY, NEIGHBOR, NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD EVEN KNOWS THAT.

CHECKING A DATABASE RIGHT NOW, UM, YES, I HAVE RECEIVED CALLS FROM NEIGHBORS.

WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT LITERALLY

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UH, WE SEND THEM OUT TO THE OWNERS AND UTILITY CUSTOMERS IN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS, BUT WE CAN STILL VOTE ON THIS AND THEN MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THERE WAS A NOTIFICATION ERROR, WHICH ARE NOT COMMON, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAPPEN.

THEY DO HAPPEN.

THEY DEFINITELY HAPPEN .

AND OURS WAS LOST IN THE SNOW OR IN THE, THE ICE STORM OR WHATEVER.

THAT, WELL, THAT WASN'T, THAT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE BECAUSE I HAD SOME OF THOSE CASES.

THE NOTICE WAS REQUESTED AND THE COMPANY, UM, WASN'T ABLE TO, TO MAIL THE THINGS OUT.

SO IT, UM, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE ICE STORM.

UM, AS FAR AS STAFF KNEW IT HAD BEEN NOTICED.

ARE WE READY? MM-HMM.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, COMMISSIONER SMITH? IT'S A WEIRD ONE.

OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THAT, WHAT YOU DID.

NO, NOPE.

THAT'S NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEMS, ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION.

SO NUMBER SEVEN IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO FORWARD RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL REGARDING BUDGET FISCAL YEAR 2324.

THE PROCRASTINATING WORK WORKING GROUP IS NOT READY TO PRESENT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE BUDGET ? UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM ANYBODY.

PUBLIC OR COMMISSION WHAT? OKAY.

AND THEN, SO ITEM ITEM EIGHT IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING MATTERS RELATED TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING POSSIBLE.

ACTION REGARDING APPLICABILITY AND LAND USE REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO CHARTER SCHOOLS.

ITEM NUMBER NINE.

AH, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.

UM, ONE OF THE STATE LEGISLATORS ASKED THAT WE PUT THAT ON, BUT BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE CITY'S RADAR, IT IS NOW ON THE CITY'S RADAR.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE JUST DON'T TAKE ACTION ON THAT ITEM.

PO AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND TO FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL REGARDING ATX WALK, BIKE ROLL UPDATES ON THE BIKEWAYS URBAN TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AND SHARED STREETS PLANS.

YEAH, SOUNDS GOOD.

MOVING ON TO NUMBER 10, THEN.

DISCUSS

[10. Discussion and possible action to forward a recommendation to Council regarding ATX Walk Bike Roll - Update of the Bikeways, Urban Trails and Sidewalks, Pedestrian Crossing and Shared Streets Plans. (Sponsors: Chair Barrera-Ramirez and Vice-Chair Kiolbassa)]

SO CHAIR COMMISSION, LADIES ON AND FIRE.

SO, UM, I DO HAVE, UH, SPEAKERS, UM, OR, UH, CITIZENS, UH, THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

BUT THEY, UM, UNFORTUNATELY MISSED THE, UH, REGISTRATION.

UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, THE CHAIR, UH, CAN CALL ON THESE INDIVIDUALS AND I'LL PROVIDE YOU THE NAMES.

AND THEY'RE ON THE PHONE? NO, PRESIDENT CHAMBER STAIR.

OH, I DIDN'T .

HI.

IS THEY'LL GO STRAIGHT ON SOUTH PLEASANT VALLEY, MAKE A QUICK U-TURN ONCE THEY PASS WILLIAM CANNON AND GET BACK TO HIT, UM, EAST ON WILLIAM CANNON.

SO MS. AGUIRE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO US FOR THREE MINUTES ABOUT THE BIKE WALK ROLL PLANS? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, MY NAME IS Z AGUIRE AND THANK YOU ANDREW FOR MAKING THE ACCOMMODATION AND ALERTING THE COMMISSION.

UM, MY NAME IS Z AGUIRE.

I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, BUT I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR ON THE BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.

I AM THE IMMEDIATE PA UH, CHAIR OF THE SOUTHEAST COMBINED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM.

AND WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS PROGRAM AND MANY THANKS TO THE STAFF AND ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY.

AND WE DO ASK THAT WHEN YOU MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION TO THE, TO THE COUNCIL, THAT THE STAFF CONTINUE TO ENGAGE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY IMPACTED BY ANY PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CURRENT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.

WE ADVOCATE SAFE BIKE LANES, WE ADVOCATE SAFE SIDEWALKS.

UH, ONE AREA THAT WE ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE SOUTHBOUND LANE OF SOUTH PLEASANT VALLEY WHEN IT MEETS WILLIAM CANNON.

WHAT WE HAVE HEARD OVER TIME IS THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL DISCUSSION FOR ELIMINATING IT FROM TWO LANE TO A ONE LANE AND DEDICATING ONE LANE FOR BUS AND BIKE, WHICH WILL CREATE HAVOC FOR US BECAUSE THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW, BACKS UP SOMETIMES ALL THE WAY TO MENDEZ AND EVEN ALMOST, UM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER NORTH OF MENDEZ, WHICH WILL LEAD TO ROAD RAGE.

WE HAVE SEEN SOME PEOPLE MODIFY THEIR TRAVEL MODES BY GOING THE BACK ROADS, GOING TO BACK, UH, DOWN DOVE SPRINGS.

UM, SOMETIMES WHAT THEY'LL DO

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SO WHEN SOMETHING CREATES HAVOC AND DISRUPTS, YOU KNOW, AND CREATES A POTENTIAL FOR ROAD RA RAGE, WE ENCOURAGE STAFF THAT WHEN THEY, WHEN A POLICY HAS BEEN MADE AND IT'S NOT A, A POLICY THAT IS EFFECTIVE FOR THAT SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY NOT MAKE, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE CONVENIENT FOR A BICYCLIST.

BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIGGER IMPACT, UM, ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DEPENDENT ON VEHICLES, UM, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE BE VERY JUDICIOUS IN MAKING DECISIONS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

AND NOT BECAUSE IT LOOKS PRETTY OR IT LOOKS CONVENIENT, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN SOMETHING IS NOT GOING TO WORK.

AND WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE, PLEASE BE VERY JUDICIOUS AND ASK THE COUNCIL TO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY.

WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO LIVE WITH THOSE DECISIONS AND SOMETIMES A POLICY DECISION IS NOT THE BEST ONE ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED.

AND WE ALREADY KNOW, UH, WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE MAKING SELF PLEASANT VALLEY AT THAT INTERSECTION, A TWO-LANE LEFT TURN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR YEARS.

AND YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THE BACKUP TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

CREATE, UM, SEPARATE BIKE PATHS AND SEPARATE WALKING PATHS, BUT TO TRY TO GET PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ONTO THE SIDEWALK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

AND IS THERE A JASON TOMPKINS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

I DON'T, I THINK, WELL, I THINK WE CAN JUST ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

I WOULD DOES HE HAVE YEAH, IF HE HAS, UH, PICTURES OR ANYTHING.

I'VE GOT SOME PHOTOS THAT I WANTED TO SHOW THE COUNCIL REALLY QUICKLY.

I DON'T CARE.

YOU HAVE PHOTOS IN.

DO YOU HAVE SOME PHOTOS YOU'D LIKE TO SHOW US? PHOTOS? DID YOU SEE THE VIDEO LAST TIME? , THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.

UM, MY NAME IS JASON TOMPKINS.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF A TEENY TINY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON WEST 31ST STREET WHERE IT CONNECTS TO SHOAL CREEK.

UM, WE ARE ALSO INCLUSIVE OF ST.

ANDREWS SCHOOL.

I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT BY THE HEAD OF OPERATIONS OF THE SCHOOL.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CHAT BRIEFLY WITH YOU, UM, BECAUSE I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE LAST, UM, PLAN COMMISSION HERE, OR, SORRY, ZONING AND PLANNING, UM, HEARING.

AND I WANTED TO, TO MAYBE JUST, UM, COME SPEAK AND CORRECT THE RECORD A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE REQUEST A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A MEASURED APPROACH.

UM, I KNOW THAT THESE BIG RETROFIT ISSUES CAN BE REALLY TOUGH FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE MANY OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND SOMETIMES HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.

UM, AND THOSE CAN BE PRETTY, PRETTY DIFFICULT AT TIMES.

UM, SO I WANTED TO CORRECT THE RECORD A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK, UM, FOLKS FROM ATD AND URBAN TRAILS MAYBE HAD JUST SPOKEN A LITTLE BIT OUT OF TURN.

NOT NECESSARILY NEGATIVELY, BUT, UM, THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE ON OUR PARTICULAR STREET WHERE, UH, THE WALK BIKE ROLE PROGRAM HAS, UM, RESULTED IN A PILOT, UM, EFFORT WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A, A BI-DIRECTIONAL, UH, MULTI-USE PATH ON THE STREET.

THIS IS ALREADY A STREET THAT HAS, UM, IS, IS MORE NARROW THAN YOUR TYPICAL AUSTIN STREET.

I THINK AT ITS, UH, NARROWEST, IT'S 25 AND A HALF FEET, AND AT ITS WIDEST IT IS 29 FEET.

UM, AND, UM, IT JUST, PUTTING THIS ON THE STREET MAKES THINGS VERY, VERY CHALLENGING FOR US.

UM, SO IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT FIRST PICTURE.

I'LL JUST SHOW YOU SOME OF THE BASIC TRAFFIC ISSUES AND THESE SPAN, UH, THE TIME BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER THE PILOT STARTED.

UM, SO THIS IS, THAT FIRST PICTURE WAS NORTHBOUND, UM, I'M SORRY, EASTBOUND ON SHO CREEK.

HEADING TOWARDS MAR THIS PICTURE HERE, YOU'LL SEE THE PILOT ON THE RIGHT.

THE GREEN CAR IS IN THE LANE.

PEDESTRIANS ARE JUMPING OUT OF THE WAY.

UM, AND THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ST.

ANDREWS SCHOOL.

ST.

ANDREWS HAS DONE AN ADMIRABLE JOB OF WORKING TO, TO, UM, CREATE INTERPLAY DURING THEIR PICKUP AND DROP OFF TIMES TO TRY TO MAKE THIS WORK.

BUT THIS PILOT HAS REALLY FAILED ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LEVELS.

UH, NEXT PICTURE PLEASE.

UM, THE IDEA HERE WAS TO CREATE A, A WIDER BIKE LANE IN PEDESTRIAN PATH.

THIS IS A GREAT PICTURE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE OFTENTIMES THE BICYCLISTS DON'T WANNA RIDE IN THIS PARTICULAR BIKE LANE.

UM, YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT HERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET IN THIS PARTICULAR DIRECTION, THERE IS A SIDEWALK, UM, ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET THAT COULD BE EXPANDED.

THE SCHOOL IS OFFERED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, UH, TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE DESIRES OF ATD AROUND WALK, BIKE, ROLL.

NEXT PICTURE, PLEASE.

UM, THIS IS AN INTERESTING PICTURE AS WELL BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEDESTRIANS ON THE STREET WHO USE THIS BI-DIRECTIONAL PATH.

UM, AND BICYCLISTS, IF THERE'S A DOG OR A STROLLER, BICYCLISTS WILL JUST COME OUT OF THE, UM, THE BIKE LANE.

AND SO THE GOAL HERE IS NOT NECESSARILY TO

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NEXT, NEXT PICTURE REALLY QUICKLY, WE'VE ALSO GOT VEHICLES THAT PICK UP IN AND OUT OF THE, UM, THE PILOT TRASH BECAUSE WE BACK TO THE CREEK.

MOST OF THE HOUSES ON THIS STREET, UM, HAVE TO PUT OUR TRASH OUT AND OUR RECYCLING OUT ON THE STREET.

NEXT PICTURE, PLEASE.

YOU CAN JUST SHOW THE PICTURE AND THEN OH, WELL, NEVERMIND.

UM, HOPEFULLY THOSE PICTURES COULD BE SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I MEAN, I THINK I, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD BE A ONE WAY STREET.

I DON'T KNOW, , THAT THERE'S TOO MANY TOO MUCH NEED.

UM, I THINK IT'S, YEAH, IT'S ONE OF THOSE BELOVED TRAILS THAT THAT'S WHERE THE CONNECTION HAPPENS AND THE STREET IS TOO NARROW.

AND MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED TWO WAY, BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT.

SO, UM, OKAY.

SO COMMISSIONER KOBASA HAS SUBMITTED SOME, UM, VERBIAGE, VERBIAGE FOR US TO CONSIDER.

YOU BET.

AND, AND I ALSO DID, BUT MINE, I DON'T THINK WENT OUT OR DID GO OUT.

SO HOW DO WE DO THIS? THIS IS ALWAYS HARD.

UM, WHY DON'T BUT EACH READ YOUR OH ME READ, YOU READ YOURS.

NADIA READS HERS AND, OKAY.

PEOPLE MAY HAVE COMMENTS IN BETWEEN.

HOW WILL, I WILL SPEAK VERY QUICKLY.

WHEREAS ATX WALK, BIKE ROLL DRAFT PLANS HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN TO UPDATE THE URBAN TRAILS, SIDEWALKS, AND BIKEWAY PLANS WITH THE LADDER NOT HAVING BEEN UPDATED SINCE ITS CREATION IN 2014.

AND WHEREAS PUBLIC OUTREACH IS EXPLICITLY STATED AS PART OF THE ATX WALK BIKE ROLL PROCESS IN CRAFTING THESE UPDATES.

AND WHEREAS ONE OF THE BICYCLE PLANS MAIN GOALS IS TO INCREASE MOBILITY CHOICES THROUGH BUILDING THE ALL AGES AND ABILITIES BICYCLE PRIORITY NETWORK TO CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS NATURE AND POINTS OF INTEREST.

AND WHEREAS THE ATX BIKE PLANS DO NOT INCLUDE SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR CHOOSING SAFE BIKE ROUTES AND LANES, DESPITE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CITY, UH, TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS, NAC O AND OTHER ENTITIES HAVING ESTABLISHED CRITERIA FOR SELECTING AND IMPLEMENTING BIKE FACILITIES TO GROW BICYCLING AS A SAFE, EQUITABLE MODE FOR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.

AND WHEREAS THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION PASSED A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION IN 2020, THAT INCLUDED PROPOSALS TO IMPROVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL, INCLUDING DETERMINING WHEN TO EMPLOY SPEED HUMPS ON BICYCLE ROUTES IN ENSURING SAFE INTERSECTIONS ON BIKEWAYS, INCLUDING A MAXIMUM SLOPE INTO AN ARTERIAL.

AND WHEREAS BOLLARDS THAT MAY CAUSE DIFFICULTIES FOR CYCLISTS ARE USED TO SEPARATE BIKE LANES FROM AUTO TRAFFIC.

AND WHEREAS BICYCLE LANES IN AUSTIN HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED ON A SUBSTANDARD ROADS THAT HAVE EXACERBATED SAFETY ISSUES, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED.

THE CITY OF AUSTIN ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION ENCOURAGES THE CITY COUNCIL TO RECOMMEND THAT THE BICYCLE PLANS CONSIDER THE FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORS WHEN DETERMINING A BIKE ROUTE.

AND THEN CREATING A PROCESS TO EVALUATE THE IMPACT AND SAFETY OF THE ROUTE AFTER IT HAS BEEN INSTALLED.

AND REQUEST THAT EXISTING BICYCLE USE PATTERNS SUCH AS SCHOOLS, BIKE TRAINS, BE PRIORITIZED IN DEVELOPING ALL AGES AND ABILITY ROUTE ABILITIES, ROUTES, AND ASK THAT THE BIKE PLANS ENUMERATE AND FOLLOW BEST PRACTICES IN IMPROVING AUSTIN'S ALL AGES AND ABILITIES NETWORK AS ESTABLISHED BY NATO, MO AND MODEL CITIES SUCH AS SEATTLE AND SPECIAL ATTENTION BE PLAYED, PLACED ON DETERMINING MINIMUM ROAD WIDTHS FOR ADDING A BIKE LANE, MAXIMUM SLOPES FOR ALL AGES AND ABILITIES INTERSECTIONS, ENGINEERING BALLARDS THAT ARE SAFE FOR CYCLIST AND DEVELOPING CRITERIA FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SPEED.

HUMS THE END.

ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK ON THESE POINTS? I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S FINE.

I I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ANY BIG FEEDBACK.

AND CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

HI.

I JUST WANNA SHARE, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS OUTSIDE OF MY EXPERTISE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ENDORSING OR ARGUING AGAINST IT TO BE HONEST.

SO, OKAY.

JUST WANNA SHARE THAT.

NOTED.

SHOULD I READ MINE? YEAH, GO AHEAD.

AND I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD, I KNOW THAT BOTH CHAIR BARRE RAMIREZ AND I ARE BICYCLIST AND SO THIS IS LIKE DEFINITELY WITHIN OUR WHEELHOUSE.

AND I, UM, ACTUALLY WROTE MY MASTER'S, UH, PROFESSIONAL REPORT ON BICYCLE PLANNING.

SO OH YEAH.

I AM AN EXPERT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

I AM AN EXPERT.

WHAT ZAP DOES AT THE BEGINNING, SO I'M FINE.

SO LET'S SEE.

AND I DON'T KNOW, ALL THIS STUFF AT THE BEGINNING IS KIND OF LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.

I DON'T KNOW, I WAS JUST, THIS IS WHAT I SAID AT THE END OF LAST TIME.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED ALL THIS, THIS IS

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WE COULD TAKE ALL THIS OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

OR WE COULD LEAVE IT, WHATEVER.

IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT.

I THINK I, I THINK WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I LIKE THE LAST ONE.

SO WHEREAS PROVISION OF SAFE, ACCESSIBLE, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS VITAL FOR THE HEALTH OF OUR CITY, I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.

AND THEN NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE WALK BIKE ROLL COLLECTION OF PLANNING DOCUMENTS STRATEGICALLY PLANS HOW TO EFFECTIVELY AND EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY REQUIRING INSTALLATION OF THIS VITAL INFRASTRUCTURE AS REDEVELOPMENT AND RECONSTRUCTION OCCURS.

AND THEN THE WALK BIKE ROLE PLAN SHOULD INCLUDE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS FOR THE PROVISION OF ENCOURAGEMENT AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING TO CREATE A CULTURAL SHIFT THAT TEACHES OUR COMMUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EXISTING IMPLANTED ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THEN THE WALK BIKE ROLL PLAN SHOULD INCLUDE PROVISION OF ADEQUATE MAINTENANCE AND LIGHTING SO AS TO PERMIT SAFE AND COMFORTABLE USE OF THE EXISTING IMPLANT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.

TRYING TO HINT AT, YOU KNOW, OUR DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT LIGHTING AND, UH, AND SWEEPING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO ACTUALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, WALK BIKING AND ROLLING IN THESE, UH, PLANNED, UH, PROJECTS.

CAN I JUST SAY, I THINK, UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO INCLUDE THE FIRST SECOND THE THINGS THAT ARE JUST INTRODUCING, UM, ZAP MM-HMM.

, BUT I LIKE, UM, BUT I THINK THE THIRD, WHEREAS OKAY.

ABOUT, UM, INCLUDE THOSE IN SUBURBAN OR RURAL AREAS WITHOUT SUFFICIENT BICYCLE TRAIL OR SIDEWALK ACCOMMODATIONS.

, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

AND THE FIFTH ONE, UM, WHICH IS SAFE, ACCESSIBLE, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND THAT MEANS ALSO THE ZAP PARTS OF THE CITY.

I LIKE THAT.

SO MAYBE WE'LL CHOOSE THREE AND FIVE OF THE WAREHOUSES AND ALL OF THE RESULT BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVES THERE.

ARE THERE ANY, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT ARE IN THE OTHER ONE THAT WE WANNA MOVE OVER INTO THIS ONE? OH, I WAS THINKING WE WOULD JUST, TOGETHER, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING WE YEAH.

COMBINE THEM TOGETHER.

I SEE COMMISSIONER ARD WAS THAT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, COMMISSIONER BOONE AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, 31ST STREET HAS BECOME KIND, KIND OF THE MASCOT OF LOCAL, UM, CONCERNS VERSUS NETWORK CONCERNS.

AND I THINK FROM THE, THE FIRST, UM, PROPOSED, UH, RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S A SENTENCE IN THERE TALKING ABOUT LOCAL ISSUES.

AND I GUESS I'D JUST LIKE TO BALANCE THAT OUT WITH CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, BALANCING THE NEEDS OF LOCAL, YOU KNOW, LOCAL NEIGHBORS AND NETWORK USERS ARE SOMETHING THAT IS THE FACT THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO A LOT OF DAMAGE BY CUTTING OUT A SINGLE LINK OF A NETWORK.

UM, THAT WAS HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, I I, I I DID, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT I CAUGHT YOU, BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BALANCE BETWEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE, THE WORDING OR, OR CAN YOU LITERALLY NOT HEAR ME TALKING? UM, IT WAS IN AND OUT.

SO MAYBE SAY IT AGAIN.

SO I, I THINK, UM, FOR ME, I JUST WANNA BALANCE OUT THE, YOU KNOW, CON CONSIDERING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS.

LET'S SEE, WHERE'S THE, UM, YEAH.

FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORS MM-HMM.

, I'D LIKE TO BALANCE THAT OUT WITH THE USERS OF THE TRAILS AND JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, DAMAGE THAT CAN BE DONE TO A BICYCLE NETWORK BY CUTTING OUT JUST TO SORT RIGHT.

31ST STREET IS RIGHT.

IT'S A REALLY HARD ISSUE.

IT JUST BY DODGING THE ISSUE, YOU KIND OF BREAK A REALLY BIG AND IMPORTANT THING.

UM, YEAH.

SO HE'S REFERRING TO LIKE DODGING A GAP.

LISTENING TO NEIGHBORS AND, AND HEARING, UH, THEIR CONCERNS.

A GAP IN THE NETWORK.

SO IF THERE WAS A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR, YOU KNOW, AREA THAT WAS VERY AGAINST A, A PARTICULAR IMPROVEMENT, THEN THEY COULD CREATE A GAP IN THE NETWORK, WHICH WOULD BE REALLY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET.

YOU KNOW, IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, IMAGINE THE SIDEWALK ENDING, IT'S EQUIVALENT TO THE SIDEWALK ENDING.

UM, SO, AND I THINK WHAT MS. AGUIRE WAS REFERRING TO WAS A PROJECT, UM, IN DISTRICT TWO WHERE THE CITY WAS LOOKING TO DO WHAT'S KNOWN AS A LANE DIET OR, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTH WHAT THEY USE THESE DAYS FOR THE WORD, BUT ESSENTIALLY CONVERTING THE OUTSIDE LANES TO PROTECTED BICYCLE FACILITIES.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THE LOSS IN VOLUME OF THE ROADWAY.

UM, AND SO I THINK, I DO THINK THAT THIS DOESN'T RE THERE'S, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE IS SOFT ENOUGH THAT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT THE PROJECT CHANGE.

IT JUST SAYS CONSIDER THE FEEDBACK.

SO FOR ME, I'M NOT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A, A PROJECT BREAKER.

I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY, AND I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, TO THE PROJECT THAT MS. AGUIRE REFERENCE, THEY DID, THEY SAID, WE HEAR YOU WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE PROJECT.

SO THE PROJECT WAS PUT ON HOLD AND THEY WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL TO PUT IN A SHARED USE PATH ON THE SCHOOL SIDE, AND THEY'RE INVESTING IN ALL THESE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT THEY ARE GETTING A LOT BETTER

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UH, SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE WAY THIS IS WORDED.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO CHANGE IT, COMMISSIONER BOONE OR SURE.

I, I WOULD SAY CONSIDER THE FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY EF AFFECTED NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS THE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL IN THE EXISTING USERS OF THE FACILITIES.

JUST SOMETHING TO ADD IN SOME BALANCING LANGUAGE THERE.

I WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, THE REASON I FEEL SO STRONGLY ON THIS IS BECAUSE, UM, THAT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I BIKE IN AND I WOULD NEVER BIKE ON 31ST .

OH, I DO IT IT ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? CAUSE IT'S THE CONNECTION TO THE SHOLL CREEK TRAIL.

THAT'S WHY YOU GO THROUGH.

BUT IT'S A, IT'S CRAZY.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IN THE BIKE TRAIN THING.

THE SCHOOLS BIKE TRAINS BECAUSE THEY KNOW, AND IT'S, I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT ACTUALLY FOR ALL AGES AND ABILITY TOO.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IN THE BIKE LANE THING.

IN FACT, UM, A FEW OF US WERE DISCUSSING THAT LIKE, SCHOOLS ARE REALLY THE WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND THE STUDENTS GOING THERE HAVE THE BEST KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE BIKE ROUTES IN THEIR AREA.

AND THIS IS NEAR BIKER WOODS, WHICH IS HOW COME I KNOW IT.

AND SO I KNOW WHERE THE BIKE ROUTE, WHERE THE BIKER WOODS BIKE TRAIN GOES, AND IT DOES NOT GO THROUGH 31ST.

IT USES 34TH AND THERE'S A LOT, MOST OTHER SCHOOLS TOO ALSO HAVE BIKE TRAINS.

AND, AND I THOUGHT THIS IS SUCH A RESOURCE AND I WOULD'VE, I DIDN'T PUT IT IN MY, I DID PUT IT IN MY RESOLUTION TO PRIORITIZE BIKE TRAINS.

AND THAT'S WHY.

AND I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS HERE AND DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT PEOPLE JUST NEED TO BE LISTENED TO MORE.

DO YOU, I I AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

DO YOU OBJECT TO THE LANGUAGE OF INCLUDING THE USERS OF THE FACILITIES? HE'S ASKING YOU COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR, AND WHAT WAS THAT WORDING AGAIN? OR, UH, CONSIDER THE, THE FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORS ALONGSIDE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FEEDBACK FROM, FROM USERS.

UM, IT'S INSERTING THE LANGUAGE INCLUDE BOTH, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, I THOUGHT AS ONE STAKEHOLDER.

THAT LANGUAGE.

I THOUGHT, I, I THINK, AND OF COURSE NOW I KEEP CHAIR BUR RAMIREZ'S KEEP ON, KEEPS ON POPPING UP ON MINE.

SO I OKAY NOW BECAUSE WE BOTH HAVE A Z NO, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE'RE BOTH, UM, SO WHERE WOULD THAT, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? FIRST YOUR FIRST PARAGRAPH? IT'S JUST, YEAH.

CONSIDER THE FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORHOODS ALONGSIDE THE USERS OF ALONGSIDE POTENTIAL BILING AND SAY, AND INSTEAD OF ALONGSIDE, IT'LL MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS DIFFICULT.

TOAND SAY IT AGAIN, LONNIE.

YOU CAN JUST USE THE WORD AND OH'S AFFECTED INSTEAD OF ALONGSIDE DIRECTLY.

YOU'RE RIPPING NOW YOU'RE NOPE, YOU WERE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

SO, SO THE FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORS AND BICYCLE FACILITY USERS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER BICYCLE FACILITY WAY, SCOTT.

UM, I, THAT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN I, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, LET ME THINK ABOUT IT, BUT OKAY.

AND ESPECIALLY THE REASON I DO THINK IT MAKES SENSE IS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALSO REALLY GOOD TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE WRITING THAT, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT SAFETY.

SO I AGREE.

I COULD GO WITH THAT CHAIR COMMISSION LEE ON IVER FOR THE PURPOSES OF TRACKING, IF WE COULD, UM, FORMULATE THESE IN A FORM OF AMENDMENTS.

WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW THOUGH.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE'LL MAKE A MOTION.

SOMEBODY WRITING IT DOWN.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHO'S RIDING THE BIKE LANES.

THERE'S A PRETTY POWERFUL BIKE LOBBY IN AUSTIN.

THAT, UM, MANAGES TO GET PEOPLE TO, UM, COMMENT ON BIKE LANES THAT AREN'T EVEN IN THEIR ROOTING.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHAT WAS WRITTEN, WHICH IS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND, AND I, I FEEL LIKE THE EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT THIS 31ST STREET HAS BEEN SOME POLITICAL, UM, TOOL AND THAT THEY DON'T WANT, THEY WANNA LEAVE A DISCONNECTION IN THE ROUTE AND THAT IS JUST FALSE.

UM, BRANDON ASTER SENT AN EMAIL TO OUR STAFF LIAISON, WHICH WASN'T SHARED, BUT IT'S SAYING VERY CLEARLY THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO GIVE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY TO HAVE A SHARED YOUTH PATH ON THE SCHOOL'S

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PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE BIKE LANE DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE STREET AT ALL.

THE SCHOOL'S PROPERTY IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? PEOPLE BIKE BOTH DIRECTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S THE TRAILS THAT WAY AND YOU DON'T WANNA CROSS.

ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT ON IT.

CLARIFY THAT.

I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I REFERRED TO THE STREET AS A POLITICAL TOOL.

UM, JUST SIMPLY AS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THAT'S COME UP WITH A FEW TIMES REPEATEDLY.

UM, ANYWAYS, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE MAKING MOTIONS, I, IS IT, DO I MAKE A RIGHT? AND ALL THE SPEAKERS WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR SPEAKERS WHO ARE FEELING LIKE THEIR LOCAL CONCERNS ARE BEING IGNORED.

AND SO I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SAY THE, UM, TO ADD IN AND THE USERS CUZ WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE USERS ARE.

UM, AND GUESS REALLY IT'S JUST SAYING, I'M SORRY.

FEEL LIKE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE BIKE LOBBY.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

GO.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA, I'M JUST GONNA OFFER IT UP AND UM, PLEASE LET THE PARIAN CORRECT IT INAPPROPRIATELY, BUT I JUST OFFER IT AS A, IS IT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? IS THAT IT'S NO MOTION YET.

WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING.

YES, WE'RE JUST IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE.

IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT JUST, BUT IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT SPEAK AS A PARLIAMENTARIAN.

I THINK YOU SHOULD AN AMENDMENT FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.

BUT I WANTED TO SUGGEST ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE ON LANGUAGE THAT I THINK ADDRESSES BOTH VIEWPOINTS AND JUST SAY, UH, ADD THE LANGUAGE.

CONSIDER THE FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORS AS ONE OF THE STATE OF ONE, AS ONE STAKEHOLDER WHEN DETERMINING A BIKE ROUTE AND THEN CREATING A PROCESS, SO FORTH, SO FORTH.

AND THE REASON I'M SUGGESTING THAT IS I CAN SEE, SAY A SCHOOL PTA WANTING TO COMMENT AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, REPRESENTING ALL USERS OF THE BIKE TRAIL.

THEY'RE REPRESENTING WHAT THEY'RE HEARING FROM, UH, THEIR MEMBERS WHOSE KIDS MIGHT BIKE TO SCHOOL SINCE THEY LIVE WITHIN TWO MILES AND AREN'T BUST.

SO I THINK THIS MIGHT ADDRESS, UM, THE FACT THAT WE WANT AS MUCH INPUT AS POSSIBLE, UM, IN, IN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE AS ONE STAKEHOLDER.

AND THEN I HAD SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS.

YES, GO AHEAD.

UM, IN LOOKING AT, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, BARRE RAMIREZ'S LANGUAGE, I'M SO GRATEFUL YOU BOTH WORKED ON THIS.

UM, I THOUGHT THOSE TWO WHEREAS'S FROM THE THIRD AND, UH, FIFTH, WHEREAS WERE GOOD TO INCLUDE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THAT FIRST.

UM, BE IT RESOLVED MM-HMM.

, BECAUSE THIS PLAN, IN THEIR PRESENTATION, THEY WERE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT USING EQUITY AS A LENS.

SO, UM, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE A S M P, SO I THINK THAT THIS IS, UM, THIS WOULD BE A PART OF THE UPDATE TO THE AS M P.

SO I'M NOT SURE WE REALLY NEED THAT FIRST.

YOUR BEIT RESULTS INTO, UM, THE DRAFT THAT COMMISSIONER KBAS MET.

COMMENT.

I DO APPRECIATE THE SECOND BE IT RESOLVED IS WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE REAL PERFORMANCE INDICATORS ON THAT.

AND I REALLY LIKE THE PROVISION OF ENCOURAGEMENT AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING TO CREATE A CULTURAL SHIFT.

IF WE'RE GONNA GET MULTIMODAL, WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE CONCRETE, UH, EDUCATION.

AND THAT LAST BIT RESOLVED, I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE WE NEED THAT BECAUSE THEY DID MENTION THERE WAS A CONCERN THEY'RE GONNA FOCUS ON LIGHTING AS A SAFETY ASPECT.

I GOT THE IMPRESSION, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COMMISSIONERS, THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT MAINTENANCE AS PART OF THE PLAN.

UM, SO, UM, I THINK THE, THE ONE TO REALLY KEEP IS THE SECOND, UH, BE IT RESOLVED.

UM, THIS, WAS THERE A FEELING THAT MAINTENANCE WAS NOT GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN THE, IN THE PLAN? YEAH.

SO I THINK MY, MY THINKING BEHIND THOSE, THE FIRST ONE WAS TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE PLAN INCLUDED EQUITY.

IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT THAT'S OCCURRED.

AND SO IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING TO KIND OF APPLAUD YEAH.

UM, THEIR EFFORTS.

AND THEN THE THIRD ONE AGAIN, TO HIGHLIGHT THE NEED FOR MAINTENANCE AND LIGHTING.

IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD MR. WILKES SAY THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY HAVE MAYBE ONE OR TWO OF THOSE SMALL SWEEPERS AND THAT THEY COULD USE MORE AND THAT MM-HMM.

AND THEN MR. UM, EASTMAN, THE, THE SIDEWALK PERSON SAID THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME THEY WERE STARTING TO INCLUDE MAINTENANCE OF SIDEWALKS AND THAT THEY'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS, BUT IT REALLY IS A CONTINUING NEED.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE TWO THINGS AS, AS A NEED THAT ARE VITAL FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE OUT THERE.

AND ONE LAST COMMENT, I COULD SEE ALL THREE NOW JUST IN, IN INCORPORATING

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THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST ON THAT LAST, UM, UH, THING PRO UH, INCLUDE PROVISION OF ADEQUATE MAINTENANCE, UM, PRO I WOULD INCLUDE PROTECTIVE BIKE LANES.

WE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.

ADEQUATE MAINTENANCE, PROTECTED BIKE LANES AND LIGHTING.

I LIKE IT.

SO, AND I DID HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEFINITION OF BIKE TRAINS WAS.

I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THAT WAS.

THEY'RE AWESOME.

SO WE ARE THERE, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE ON COMMISSIONER KBA, VICE STEER KBA FIRST BE IT RESOLVED.

DO WE SAY DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORS AS ONE STAKEHOLDER WHEN DETERMINING A BIKE ROUTE OR DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORS AND POTENTIAL USERS WHEN DETERMINING A BIKE ROUTE? THOSE ARE, I THINK, THE TWO OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, TO ME, I THINK CALLING OUT BOTH OR IF NOT JUST SAYING AUS STAKEHOLDERS, I DON'T, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING WE SHOULD LISTEN TO ONE GROUP WITHOUT SAYING WE NEED LISTEN TO BOTH GROUPS.

UM, EITHER YOU JUST SAY STAKEHOLDERS OR YOU PUT BOTH GROUPS IN.

UM, I'M JUST UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA LISTEN TO ONE GROUP AND NOT LISTEN TO THE OTHER.

SO I, I WOULD THINK EITHER FEEDBACK DIRECTLY AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

OR FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY AFFECTED NEIGHBORS AND WALK ROLL BIKE USERS, UM, WHEN DETERMINING THE MIKE ROUTE, KIND OF ONE OF THE TWO.

EITHER REFER TO 'EM ALL GENERICALLY AS STAKEHOLDERS OR LIST BOTH GROUPS.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

, I'M INCLINED TO AGREE.

UM, I USED TO WORK FOR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND THAT IS CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICE IS TO SAY LIKE AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS CUZ IT REALLY IS SORT OF AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING THING AND IT ALSO INCLUDES MAYBE SOME GROUPS THAT WE ARE JUST NOT THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND IT JUST, IT'S A SORT OF, IT PROMOTES AN OPEN-MINDED APPROACH TO IT.

GO FOR CHANGING TO STAKEHOLDERS? JUST DIRECTLY.

STAKEHOLDERS.

I MEAN, I WILL ADD, I MEAN, I AGREE.

OH, I'M HAPPY TO JUST DO STAKEHOLDERS, BUT I WILL ADD THAT, UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAD FOUND THE PROCESS, UM, HORRIBLE BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD A LETTER THAT WAS UNANIMOUS, 30 PEOPLE SIGNED ONTO IT.

IT WAS VOTED NOT INCLUDED AND IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP.

IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN ANYTHING FOR THE BIKE ROUTE.

THAT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, QUITE A BIT.

AND WE HAD SUGGESTIONS LIKE THE BIKE TRAIN AND ALL THAT, AND IT JUST DISAPPEARED AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY WANTED IT IN, UM, ONLINE IN THE LITTLE THINGS.

SO THEY WEREN'T EVEN TAKING A UNANIMOUS VOTE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY PATHETIC.

BUT I'LL AGREE WITH THAT .

SO THEN, UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ THE CHANGES OR THE RESOLUTION AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.

SO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN COMMISSIONER KIBA, WE'RE GONNA ADD FROM MINE.

OF COURSE, MY COMPUTER'S JUST, UM, YOUR FIRST AND FOURTH.

MY FIR NO, IT WAS THIRD AND FIFTH.

UM, BE IT RESOLVED, BE IT.

NO.

UH, WHEREAS THE THIRD AND FIFTH WHEREAS IS, SO THE ONE THAT'S, UH, WHEREAS MANY CASES HEARD BY ZAP DON'T INCLUDE SUFFICIENT BIKE TRAIL OR SIDEWALK ACCOMMODATIONS.

AND WHEREAS PROVISION OF SAFE, ACCESSIBLE, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS VITAL FOR OUR HEALTH.

AND THEN DID WE SAY THAT WE'RE OKAY LEAVING ALL THREE OF THE BE IT RE THE BE IT RESOLVE.

SO THAT'S SO LONG AS YOU ADD SAFE.

OH, AS LONG AS WE ADD PROTECTED BIKE LANES, YES.

AND THEN, UM, BUT THE FIRST HERE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION ENCOURAGES THE CITY COUNCIL TO RECOMMEND THAT THE BICYCLE PLANS CONSIDER THE FEEDBACK OF DIRECTLY AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS WHEN DETERMINING A BIKE ROUTE.

I'VE DIRECTLY AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS.

STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING, UM, I THINK IF YOU START LIFTING, YOU GOTTA LIST THEN YOUR WEAKENING YES.

STAKEHOLDERS A DIRECTLY AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS.

I'LL TAKE THAT AS A WIN.

SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND ON MR. KOBASA? YOU WANNA SECOND? SECONDED BY KOBASA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE, THE MOTION OF THE REVISIONS IS READ.

AND THEN ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND ABSTAINING.

YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA BE MISSING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.

AND I, I WANNA MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT COMMISSIONER GABAA COMPILED THIS AND PERHAPS SEND IT TO ANDREW IF YOU HAVE TIME.

HECK, I'M RETIRING.

I KNOW.

, DID SHE WRITE? I DID WRITE IT.

NO, IT'S,

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THIS IS OUR AND THAT'SS THE REASON THAT THERE'S ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM ON HERE.

SO YES, I WILL DO THAT.

UM, BUT I'LL CONFER WITH YOU TOO.

BUT IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? ANYONE? CHAIR? YES.

SORRY.

CHAIR.

COULD YOU, COULD YOU, YOU TELL ME, UH, WHO VOTED AGAINST IT AND WHO ABSTAINED.

SO I THINK I ACTUALLY DIDN'T SEE YOU, UM, VOTE.

COMMISSIONER KING, DID YOU VOTE FOR IT? I I VOTED FOR IT.

I VOTED SO IT WAS JUST COMMISSIONER THOMPSON THEN THAT ABSTAINED.

ABSTAINED.

I THINK SHE'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I GET THE, THE, THE MINUTES, UH, THE NOTES, THE MINUTES.

ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS?

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

I'LL RECOMMEND SOME .

THIS JOKE, I'M JUST FOLLOWING UP ON SOMETHING, UH, COMMISSIONER STERN HAS REPEATEDLY ASKED FOR IS WE REALLY DO NEED A BRIEFING ON, UH, FROM STAFF ON HOW THEY ADDRESS TRAFFIC, UM, MANAGEMENT PLANS.

IT, IT'S REALLY OVERDUE.

SO T D M YEAH, LET ME REITERATE THAT FORM CUZ HE JUST HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO BRING IT UP.

SO .

OH YEAH.

AND I, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

AND I WISH I WAS STILL ON ZAP FOR THAT CUZ THAT WOULD'VE BEEN INTERESTING.

THANKS.

SO AN, A POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEM FOR REV, UH, PRESENTATION OR STAFF PRESENTATION OF TR OF MANAGEMENT AND AUDITING PER OF TRA TRAFFIC DEMAND MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS IN THE TCM AND IT'S OUTLINED, BUT THERE'S NO MANAGEMENT.

AND ELECTIONS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION NOMINATING MEMBERS FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION TO SERVE ON JOINT COMMITTEES.

COMMISSIONER KING.

UH, CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, AND FROM OUR LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED A, A, A, AN UPDATE FROM STAFF ON, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, ALL THE, THE SMALL AREA PLANS.

I, I KNOW I'M NOT ASKING THAT THAT'D BE A FUTURE AGENDA.

I'M JUST TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT IT, THAT IT WOULD BE THAT BROUGHT FORWARD HERE BY STAFF O SOMEWHERE IN THE NEXT MONTH, FEW MONTHS.

AN UPDATE TO ZAB IS, IS THAT CORRECT? HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANDREW.

UH, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW BRIEFINGS, UH, STILL, UM, COMING FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION ON THE LIST.

THANK YOU, ANDREW.

OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON TO NUMBER 11, NOMINATIONS

[11. Discussion and possible action nominating members for Council consideration to serve on Joint Committees.]

MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE WAIT TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM THAT WE POSTPONE IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE A BUNCH OF NEW MEMBERS.

COMMISSION LEE IS ON INTERFERE.

SO, UH, THE REASON THIS ITEM IS ON YOUR AGENDA IS BECAUSE, UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY IT AFFECTS THE, UH, CODES AND ORDINANCES JOINT COMMITTEE.

ALL THE MEMBERS CURRENTLY PRESENTED REPRESENTATIVE ZAP ON THE CODES AND ORANGES JOINT COMMITTEE ARE, UM, ROLLING OFF, UM, ZAP.

UM, SO THE NEXT, UH, BIG DEAL TODAY IS THE MARCH 7TH WITH, UM, NEW COMMISSIONER TRAINING, UH, BEGINNING MARCH 8TH, UH, TOMORROW.

UM, SO AS SOON AS THEY'RE CERTIFIED, THAT IS DEMAR THE DEMARCATION POINT OF, UM, CURRENT MEMBERS BEING ABLE TO HOLD OVER.

UM, SO THAT WOULD, UH, YOU WOULD NO LONGER, LONGER BE ABLE TO HOLD OVER AND PARTICIPATE IN THE JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING OF, UH, MARCH 9TH, I MEAN, OF MARCH 15TH.

THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY, UH, COUNSEL WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER ZAP APPOINTMENTS TO JOINT THE JOINT COMMITTEE IS MARCH 9TH.

UM, SO ALMOST ALL MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE REPRESENTED AND COULD MAKE QUORUM ON CO JC ON THE 15TH.

GREAT.

SO I GUESS THE POINT, THE QUESTION, OH, COMMISSIONER DINKLER AND THE COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, MY REPLACEMENT IS NOT GOING TO BEYOND UNTIL LATER.

SO I WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT, UM, MARCH 15TH MEETING AND THERE WOULD BE A QUORUM.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THREE PC MEMBERS HAVE RSVP'D FOR THIS WHEN I ATTEND.

THAT'S FOUR.

WE HAVE A FORUM.

SO, UM, I THINK CODES AND ORDINANCES IS COVERED UNTIL WE, UH, THE RULES CALL FOR ELECTION OF OFFICERS AND I BELIEVE COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS IN APRIL AS WELL.

UM, BUT CODES AND ORDINANCES CAN WAIT UNTIL THE NEW, UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE ATTENDING.

TO WHEN THAT'S TAKING PLACE.

COME HERE, GREENBERG.

UM, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY FOR MORE THAN JUST A QUORUM AND CODES AND ORDINANCES AND I'D BE HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER TO SERVE ON CODES AND ORDINANCES SINCE THREE OF OUR MEMBERS WERE GOING OFF OF THAT.

WELL, I WAS PLANNING ON BEING THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN MR. FLOYD IS THAT HIS NAME WILL BE, BE TRAINED.

WILL HE BE TRAINED BY THEN? CHAIR COMMISSION LIES IT ANDREW, I DO NOT HAVE A TIME, UM, UM, OR DATE

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UM, BUT I'D HATE TO RISK THAT THAT IS A, BECOMES A VACANCY BEFORE THAT I WAS SAYING I'M BEING THERE AND I CAN'T BE THERE.

OAKLEY DO, CAN WE DO THIS? YOU CAN BE THERE IF POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO HAVE, UM, YOU BE THERE.

I MEAN, WHY WE CAN'T HAVE THREE PEOPLE THERE.

I'M, I'M WELL, THREE IS THE AMOUNT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE.

YEAH, I'M HAPPY JUST TO SAY THAT COMMISSIONER GREENBERG OR WHOEVER BECAUSE I, I THINK I, I JUST DON'T, I THINK THIS IS JUST REALLY STRANGE AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT, AND THIS IS, WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS SITUATION BEFORE.

IT'S USUALLY BEEN A LOT NEATER TRANSITION AND I MEAN, OF COURSE I WOULD LOVE BE THERE ON THE 15TH, BUT YEAH.

BUT, UM, I WOULD RATHER JUST MAKE SURE THAT ZAP IS REPRESENTED THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF SCARY.

SO I WOULD NOMINATE COMMISSIONER GREENBERG AND COMMISSION SECOND THERE.

COMMISSIONER STERN HAS HIS HAND UP.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING.

UM, WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS INTEREST IN SERVING ON CODES AND ORDINANCES.

UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, I'D BE INTERESTED IN FIGURING OUT WHO SHOULD GO SOONER THAN LATER.

ONLY BECAUSE, UM, MARCH 21ST IS A LARGE PUBLIC MEETING, AND THAT MEANS I WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE TO BE A ZAP ON THAT EVENING.

SO COMMISSIONER KING, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? UH, YE YES.

I WAS GOING TO SECOND THAT, UH, NOMINATION, BUT ALSO, UH, COMMISSIONER STERN.

I, I I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WANTED TO SERVE.

I THINK THERE WOULD, THERE WILL BE A VACANCY FROM ZAP.

AND SO I WOULD DEFINITELY, IF I WERE HERE, I WOULD SUPPORT YOU IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT THIRD SPOT.

SO .

SO ANYWAY, BUT I'M SUPPORTING, I, I'M SECONDING BETSY'S, UH, BETS, UH, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG'S, UH, NOMINATION FOR, FOR THOSE CODES AND ORDINANCES COMMITTEE.

AND, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER, UM, HANK HAD, SORRY.

SECONDED.

AND YEAH, I'VE ALREADY SAID DON'T EVEN NEED A SECOND.

THE THREE THAT I UNDERSTAND WOULD BE ADDING COMMISSIONER GREENBERG AND THEN KEEPING CHAIR BURRERA RAMIREZ.

AND COMMISSIONER DINKLER PROVIDED THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REPLACED BEFORE THAT MEETING OCCURS, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

DOES THAT SOUND CHAIR COMMISSIONER LANDS? I RIVERA.

SO IN THAT MOTION, UM, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO, UM, DO ANYTHING WITH, UM, UM, THE CHAIR'S POSITION.

SHE WOULD, SHE WOULD JUST HOLD OVER, UM, AND IN MIND AND YOURS, IT'LL JUST BE ADDING COMMISSIONER GREENBERG GREENBERG, UM, AS A THIRD COMMISSIONER.

AND THAT WOULD ALLOW, UM, WHEN COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS ARE COME UP AGAIN.

AND WOULD THOSE COME UP, MR. RIVERA IN APRIL OR MAY? IT WOULD BE WHEN THE, UM, SUCCESSOR IS, UH, NAMED OR, UH, CERTIFIED FOR THE HOLDOVER MEETING.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN.

WHICH IS WHY I WAS MENTIONING THAT I WON'T BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, WELL, WE'LL, OKAY.

WE'LL NOMINATE YOU IN THE, WE'LL NOMINATE YOU ANYWAY.

PUT YOU ON EVERY COMMITTEE.

, HE'S NOT ON ANY COMMITTEE, SO HE NEEDS TO BE ON ONE.

HE, HE, YES.

SO, UH, LET'S VOTE ON THAT MOTION THEN.

SO COMMISSIONER GREENBERG WILL BE ON THE CODES AND ORDINANCES AND THEN DINKLER AND I WILL STAY UNTIL WE ARE REPLACED.

THAT WAS A MOTION BY , SECONDED BY ME.

POSSIBLE ACTION TO ELECT INTERIM OFFICERS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY.

THAT LOOKS UNANIMOUS.

SO THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION AND

[12. Discussion and possible action to elect interim officers.]

SO I, THIS IS BECAUSE, UH, KBOS AND I WILL BE GONE.

SO WE'LL NEED SOMEONE TO RUN THIS MEETING.

COMMISSIONER GREENBERG.

WELL, I HAVE SEEN THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH CAN READ AN AGENDA REALLY FAST.

YES HE CAN.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER, UM, SMITH TO BECOME CHAIR SMITH.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER GREENBERG TO BE VICE CHAIR .

I LIKE THAT.

I'M HOPING THIS WILL BE BY ACCLIMATION.

UM, DO WE HAVE A PARLIAMENTARIAN OR SECRETARIAL POSITION? UM, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UM, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON TO BE SECRETARY.

YOU WANNA BE PARLIAMENTARY? SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I MOVE THAT WE VOTE ON THAT BY ACCLIMATION FOR ALL THREE POSITIONS.

WHO WANTS TO BE PARLIAMENTARIAN YES.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, THERE IS A FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I'M SORRY.

I THINK JUST AS A MATTER OF PROCESS, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN ANY OF THOSE POSITIONS.

THESE ARE JUST INTERIM, IT'S JUST TILL APRIL, EVEN UNTIL MARCH OR APRIL.

APRIL IS STILL THINK IT'S A NICE PROCESS.

I AGREE.

AND, AND ALSO IF THERE'S ANYBODY

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WE'RE LOOKING AND IT REQUIRES KNOWING ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

I'LL, I'LL BE GOOD UNTIL I'M OFF.

OH YEAH.

OH, I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE GOOD UNTIL YOU'RE GONE.

FORGET THAT.

SO ALL THREE POSITIONS.

WE HAVE SMITH FOR CHAIR, GREENBERG FOR VICE CHAIR, AND ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN SECRETARY, MISS, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON WOULD LIKE TO KNOW? OH.

OR ANY POSITION I'D LIKE TO, I'D JUST LIKE TO OFFER THE OPTION.

AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, CUZ I DON'T WANNA CLOSE OFF ANYONE FROM RIGHT.

LU OR STERN OR FAUS, ANY AS SECRETARY IS REALLY KEEPING TRACK OF THE MINUTES, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE HERE TO SIGN PLATS.

THE SUBDIVISION PLATS.

I WOULD DISAGREE.

SINCE, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER KING HAS DONE A FINE JOB AS OUR SECRETARY AND GENERALLY ATTENDS REMOTELY.

AS LONG AS THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE CAN SIGN THE YEAH.

I FLATS AND I'VE USUALLY SIGNED FOR COMMISSIONER KING.

I SIGNED HIM ONE TIME.

, YOU CAN SIGN EM ALL THE TIME MAYBE.

SO LET'S TAKE A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF KING FOR, I'M SORRY.

STERN? NO, NO.

SMITH.

SMITH, FORSCHER, GREENBERG, VICE CHAIR AND THOMPSON FOR SECRETARY.

ACTING, ACTING OR ACTING.

[COMMITTEE REPORTS & WORKING GROUPS]

CODES AND ORDINANCES.

WE'RE MEETING DURING SPRING BREAK ON THE 15TH AND IT'S TO DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO THE WILD.

, IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING.

AND THEN COMP PLAN.

JOINT COMMITTEE.

WE HAD A BRIEF PHONE CALL TODAY.

JUST KIND OF, WE HAVE A NEW, AND I DIDN'T BRING MY NOTES.

A NEW PERSON, UM, GONNA BE HEADING UP THE COMMITTEE AND I HAVE FORGOTTEN HER NAME.

YOU MEAN NEW STAFF? NEW STAFF? MM-HMM.

UM, SO THE STAFF IS CHANGING A LITTLE BIT.

UM, LISA RODRIGUEZ? NO.

NO.

UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT IS.

SHE DOESN'T, I'M, I MET HER TODAY.

WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION.

SHE'S GONNA DO GREAT.

COOL.

UM, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HAVE A MEETING COMING UP PRETTY SOON WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE BRIEF ON THE BICYCLE PLAN.

ALL RIGHT? OKAY.

SMALL AREA PLANNING, JOINT COMMITTEE, NOTHING TO REPORT.

AND THE BUDGET WORKING GROUP IS WORKING ON IT.

OH, THEY'RE PROCRASTINATING.

THAT'S IT.

PROCRAST.

WORKING GROUP.

YOU CAN EXPECT SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM LAST YEAR.

MORE STAFF FOR THE PLANNING.

MORE STAFF PLANNING PART PAY.

CAN WE SAY BETTER PAY? WELL, THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE PART OF LET'S TALK, BUT WE CAN'T GET TOO MUCH MORE INTO IT.