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          [CALL TO ORDER]
          [00:00:02]
          OKAY, EVERYBODY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. 
          WE NEED TO CALL THIS MEETING TO DISCUSSION  BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME. 
          UM, MY NAME IS SALINA ZERMAN. 
          MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY, SHE, I REALLY APPRECIATE OUR MUSIC AND ARTS COMMISSIONERS BEING HERE. 
          I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND LET THE CHAIR OF THE MUSIC COMMISSION INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AS WELL. 
          HI, I'M, UH, NA CHARLA. 
          UM, IT SAYS, MAYOR THERE, MAYORS APPOINTEE ON THE ARTS COMMISSION. 
          AND I'M, UH, REPRESENTING D SIX, UM, ON THE MUSIC COMMISSION. 
          UM, I'M GONNA YIELD, UH, TO MS. AN CHARLOTTE PATTERSON HERE, UH, TO SHARE THE MEETING FROM THE MUSIC COMMISSION TODAY. 
          AND I'LL BE PARTICIPATING FROM THE OUTSIDE. 
          I THINK THAT'S NEEDED FOR QUORUM, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST UNOFFICIALLY HERE AS YOUR MUSIC CAPACITY AS WELL, RIGHT. 
          UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS COLLAPSE US A BIT SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON SCREEN. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, I GUESS WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT EACH OTHER. 
          WHAT DO YOU GUYS FEEL? WOULD YOU WANNA SCOOT TOGETHER OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS WORKING? DOES THAT WORK FOR CAMERA STUFF TOO? I THINK IT'S OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I GUESS LET'S JUST STAY PUT FOR NOW. 
          UM, STAFF, IF YOU GUYS WANNA FILL IN, IF YOU WANT SCRIPT CONVERS, FEEL FREE TO CONVERSATION RIGHT. 
          GRABS, UH, SPOTS. 
          BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, OR YOU WANT US TO, IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. 
          IF YOU THINK WE'RE OKAY, THEN WE CAN JUST KIND OF STAY PUT. 
          THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S GOOD SET UP FOR CONVERSATION. 
          RIGHT? GOOD VIBES. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS. 
          CAN SEE EACH OTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE ROLL. 
          UM, I'LL START FOR MUSIC. 
          UM, UH, VICE CHAIR MALACH PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER MALDONADO PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER CHI. 
          PRESENT. 
          HOW'D I DO IT? THAT LAST NAME YOU DID GREAT. 
          OH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MOCK, UH, PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER MELA PRESENT. 
          MICROPHONE DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO I'M VICE CHAIR, UH, ANN CHARLOTTE PATTERSON. 
          I'M STEPPING IN FOR COMMISSIONER ME CHARLA TODAY AS SHE'S REPRESENTING ARTS. 
          AND SO I'LL DO THE ROLL CALL FOR MUSIC. 
          UH, SO ON REMOTE, UH, COMMISSIONER KAABA, IT'S PRESENT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YOU CAN SAY, PRESENT AND RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          PRESENT. 
          AND WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER SHANE BARTEL AND EDDIE PRESENT, PRESENT THE NEW ASSISTANT , UM, UH, COMMISSIONER GOLD PRESENT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ROSENTHAL PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, THAT. 
          DOES IT FOR ROLL CALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE ALL SET FOR QUORUM AND WE CAN MOVE AHEAD. 
          YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND DO THE ICEBREAKER? DO YOU WANNA DO, UM, I DON'T THINK, DO YOU WANNA DO PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS? WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OUR OUR FRIENDS HERE ARE JUST HANGING OUT. 
          I'VE CONFIRMED CORRECT. 
          NO ONE FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          DO WE WANNA, WE CAN SCOOT DOWN ONE THAT WAY. 
          Y'ALL HAVE OUR OWN MIC? LET'S DO THAT. 
          WAIT, NO. 
          YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, OKAY. 
          SO YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE NOTICED THAT WE ARE SEATED WITH OUR DISTRICT BUDDY. 
          I'M COINING IT. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THE OTHER COMMISSION THAT'S SORT OF THE IMPETUS FOR THIS MEETING. 
          UM, OH, FANTASTIC COMMISSION HEARING. 
          OH, GREAT. 
          RIGHT HERE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND FOR MUSIC, WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER DLA JOINING US YES. 
          TO SEE YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          WELCOME, COMMISSIONER DAVILA. 
          UM, 
          [1. Discussion of welcoming Commissioners, Commissioner introductions, and ice breaker.]
UH, JUST AS I WAS SAYING, THE WHOLE GOAL OF THIS MEETING IS TO SORT OF BUILD RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE MUSIC AND ARTS. 
          WE REPRESENT THE ARTS AND CULTURE, UM, OF AUSTIN. 
          WE ARE WORKING ON A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS. 
          WE ALL, UM, REALLY ARE INVESTED IN, IN OUR ECOSYSTEM HERE. 
          AND BEING GEARS IN THE SAME MACHINE, I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPERATIVE THAT WE KNOW ONE ANOTHER AND CAN, 
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UH, WORK COOPERATIVELY AS, YOU KNOW, AN IN TANDEM AS COMMISSION. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST, I THINK, IN AT LEAST MY TIME HERE, UM, THAT WE'VE DONE THIS. 
          BUT I WOULD LOVE THIS TO BE A MORE CONSISTENT MEETING AND THAT WE CAN HAVE OPEN COMMUNICATION AND DIALOGUE, UM, WITH EACH OTHER, PARTICULARLY WITH YOUR DISTRICT BUDDY AS YOUR COMMUNICATING WITH YOUR COUNCILPERSON MM-HMM. 
           SO THAT WE, THEY CAN BE HEARING THE SAME MESSAGE FROM, UH, THESE COMMISSIONS. 
          I THINK, UH, PROVIDES A REALLY, IT'S, IT'S A UNIFIED VOICE, BUT IT IT, TO ME AND WHAT I'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE CHAIRS AS WE'VE BEEN HOLDING CONSISTENT MEETINGS ALMOST MONTHLY FOR AT LEAST A YEAR OR SO, UM, THAT, UH, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, AND HEARING THE SAME MESSAGE FROM, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS, I THINK, UM, IT BUILDS TRUST AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BOTH FROM THE COMMUNITY STANDPOINT AND FROM OUR, UH, COMMUNICATION TO COUNCIL. 
          SO TO, UH, KICK THINGS OFF, WE'VE GOT A FUN ICEBREAKER THAT WILL BE LED BY, UH, ANNE CHARLOTTE. 
          UH, SO SINCE THE ICEBREAKER IS NOT ONE OF OUR ITEMS, UH, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND OH YEAH, THAT'S ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER AND THAT CAN ALSO, IT'S NOT JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A FUN ICEBREAKER, UH, IT THAT IS TO FACILITATE A MORE RELAXED DISCUSSION, UH, TODAY. 
          SO WE CAN TALK THROUGH THINGS A LOT WITH A LITTLE MORE EASE. 
          SO YES, I MOVED THAT WE USED TO SUSPEND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY. 
          THAT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS, IT APPEARS TO BE UNANIMOUS. 
          ALL COMMISSIONERS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          UH, SO WE'LL START WITH, PROBABLY WE'LL START ACROSS HERE WITH LAUREN, BUT YEAH, SO SAME QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY. 
          IF YOU HAD A FRIEND THAT WAS GONNA VISIT AUSTIN FOR JUST ONE DAY AND THEN THEY WOULD GO BACK ACROSS THE OCEAN, UM, FOR YEARS AND YEARS, WHERE WOULD YOU TAKE THEM TO EAT?  MAGNOLIA CAFE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHY ? BRIEFLY? THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD CALL ACTUALLY. 
          , IT'S BEEN MY FAVORITE RESTAURANT SINCE I WAS LIKE A TEENAGER AND IT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED VERY MUCH. 
          SO YOU HAVE THEM EAT THERE TOO, I GUESS. 
          THAT'D BE GOOD. 
          WELL, I ALWAYS GET THE MAGNOLIA OMELET, THE NUMBER EIGHT, YOU KNOW, BUT SHOUT OUT TO MAGNOLIA WITH THE, WITH A HOME FRIES, FRUIT . 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST STAYED AT NTA A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND IT WAS AMAZING. 
          SO I'D DEFINITELY TAKE SOMEONE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, CELESTE, YOU GO AHEAD. 
          LET'S GO. 
          WE'LL DO BOTH OF THE BARBARA. 
          NO, I'M SORRY. 
          DID I JUST HOP IN THERE? YEAH, BUT NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S WHY SPEND THE ROBERTS. 
          YEAH, IT'S A FREE FOR ALL SCOUT'S HONOR. 
          I WAS GOING TO SAY NSTA AS WELL. 
          LOOK, SEE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IT'S A HIVE. 
          MINE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HOP BACK, BACK ACROSS THE ROOM TO COMMISSIONER MALDONADO. 
          SAY WHY? OH YEAH. 
          WHY, WHY? WHAT WOULD YOU EAT? YEAH. 
          WHY WOULD Y'ALL TAKE SOMEBODY THERE? TO NTA? YEAH, BECAUSE THE FOOD WAS INCREDIBLE. 
          . 
          UM, I LOVE THE LOCATION OF NTA RIGHT OFF, UM, 14TH. 
          THEY RECENTLY WON A JAMES BEARD AWARD. 
          UM, IT'S A HUSBAND AND WIFE, UM, RESTAURANT. 
          UM, SHE IS FROM IRAN. 
          UM, HE'S FROM MEXICO. 
          I THINK THEY MERGED THEIR CULINARY, UH, YOU KNOW, CREATIONS PERFECTLY. 
          AND IT'S A VERY RELAXED, UM, OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT WITH JUST LIKE INCREDIBLE FOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT, GREAT ANSWERS. 
          COULD YOU SPELL IT PLEASE? N I X T A T A Q. 
          MY SYSTEM IS SPELL AGAIN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER MALDONADO, THANK YOU FOR WAITING PATIENTLY. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? SO BEFORE SOMEONE BEATS ME TO THE PUNCH, I'M JUST GONNA SAY BARBECUE. 
          SO PROBABLY BLACKS BARBECUE ON BARTON SPRINGS, AND THEN YOU CAN WALK IT OFTEN GO TO BARTON SPRINGS, , AND, UM, I MEAN, EVERYTHING THERE IS SO GOOD, BUT DEFINITELY SOME RIBS, MAC AND CHEESE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY PUT IN THEIR GREEN BEANS, BUT , I, I DON'T WANNA KNOW . 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY BARBECUE FOR SURE. 
          ALL RIGHT, AWESOME. 
          YEAH, SO WE'LL JUST CONTINUE AROUND THE ROOM. 
          I WON'T, I WON'T CALL EVERYBODY OUT. 
          UM, NO JOKE. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY NSTA TOO. 
          . 
          UM, BUT I GUESS IT DEPENDS 
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ON WHERE YOUR VISITOR IS FROM. 
          UM, CUZ IN SOME CASES THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AS EXCITING. 
          UM, I'M GONNA GO WITH, UH, OLD SCHOOL PIZZERIA. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          HOME SLICE. 
          UM, IT ACTUALLY REMINDS ME OF OLD SCHOOL PIZZERIA AND OLYMPIA, WHICH IS A PLACE THAT I LIVE. 
          BUT YEAH, HOME SLICE. 
          UM, IT'S LIKE FAMILY FRIENDLY AND I REALLY LIKE THE, UM, THE DOUGH, THE PIZZA'S GOOD. 
           SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE, AND IT'S A CROWD PLEASER. 
          HEY, ATE THERE THIS WEEK AS WELL. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD CHOICE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I LIKE ALL OF THEM, BUT, UH, MY FAVORITE PLACE IS JOE'S BAKERY, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S HOME, HOME COOKING. 
          UM, IT'S NOT THE COMMERCIALIZED, UH, IT'S TEXMEX CUISINE. 
          AND I, I REALLY LIKE IT. 
          I'VE BEEN GOING THERE FOR 50 YEARS, , SO I WOULD, UM, WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD GO TO MAGNOLIA  FOR A LATE NIGHT HANG. 
          UM, I'VE JUST, UH, BEEN THERE SO OFTEN, THE ONE-ON COST IN THE ONE THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY CLOSED NOW, UM, WITH MY BAND AFTER SHOWS AND WHATNOT, UH, OVER THE YEARS. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S CLOSE TO MY HEART. 
          I LIKE THE VEGGIE RUBEN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE HAVING AN ICEBREAKER. 
          UM, I NEED ICEBREAKER. 
          WHERE WOULD WE TAKE IF SOMEONE CAME OFF? HEY SHANE, YOU'RE ON MIC, IF YOU DON'T MIND MUTING WHILE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENTING . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I JUST DISCOVERED THIS UNIQUE FAMILY OWNED RESTAURANT RIGHT ON SPICEWOOD SPRING IN DISTRICT 10 IS CALLED SEVEN SPICE. 
          AND I, I JUST DISCOVER IT AND, AND THEY OPEN IT RIGHT AFT UH, BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. 
          SO I'M SURE THAT THE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, WAS SUFFERING QUITE A BIT. 
          BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF TAKEOUTS, SO, UH, THEIR FOOD IS HOMEMADE, UH, VERY DETAILED, HOMEMADE, AND EVERY DISH IS DIFFERENT. 
          UH, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE PATIENT WHEN YOU GO THERE BECAUSE THEY, THEY DO, UH, TAKE IT OUT SLOWLY, . 
          SO, UH, ALLOW PLENTY OF TIME. 
          I ALWAYS MAKE RESERVATION AT FIVE 30 RIGHT AFTER THEY START DINNER, YOU KNOW, SO THAT I WILL BE THE FIRST ROUND. 
          BUT EVERY SINGLE DISH IS SO UNIQUE WITH DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ASIAN IS CHINESE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO YEAH, IF I HAVE A FRIEND AND I DID, YOU KNOW, AND I TOOK HER OVER THERE AND SHE WAS SURPRISED AND SHE'S FROM HONG KONG AND SHE SAID, WOW, THIS IS VERY AUTHENTIC. 
          SO WE, THERE IS A, A CERTAIN TYPE OF COOKING IN, IN ASIA, IT IS CALLED, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FOOD, IT IS LIKE SEA CHOY. 
          IT IS LIKE A PRIVATE DINNER TYPE OF MEAL. 
          SO THAT IS, THAT RESTAURANT REMINDED ME OF THAT. 
          IT'S CALLED SEVEN SPICE, BUT BE PATIENT , UH, UM, COMMISSIONER MOCK, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND REPRESENTING DISTRICT 10 BECAUSE THAT FREES ME UP TO HEAD BACK TO SOUTH CONGRESS WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE SEEMS TO LIKE TO GO  FOR AN OUT OF TOWN GUEST, I WOULD BRING THEM TORO'S TACO BAR. 
          THE FOOD IS VERY GOOD AND THE ATMOSPHERE IS SENSATIONAL. 
          SITTING OUT THERE ON THAT PATIO ON A NICE DAY, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE LIVE MUSIC. 
          TO ME THAT REALLY CAPTURES THE SPIRIT OF AUSTIN THAT I WOULD WANT TO SHOW TO A GUEST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN JUMPING ACROSS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, IS, IS IT MY GERMAN IS MY TURN. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, UM, I'M A BIG FAN OF MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT AND YOU KNOW, I I, I MEAN, I, I JUST LIKE A CHILIS, YOU KNOW, , I THINK, YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNIVERSAL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE QUESO, THE CHIPS AND QUESO ARE LIKE AMAZING. 
          GET A LITTLE SIDE OF THE RANCH . 
          I MEAN, NO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IT'S PRETTY GOOD. 
          IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT BAD. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BAD, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE SUCCESS RATE OF YOU ACTUALLY HAVING A GOOD EXPERIENCE THERE IS PROBABLY ABOUT A FOUR OUTTA 10. 
          BUT LIKE, IF IT, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF YOU HIT IT, IT'S LIKE IT SLAPS, IT'S PRETTY GOOD. 
           ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD,  THAT FOUR OUTTA 10 EXPERIENCE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. 
          I'LL TAKE THAT. 
          CHRIS. 
          I THINK SCOTT NEEDS TO GO INTO A CAREER IN COMEDY FOLLOWING HIS MUSICAL CAREER. 
          SO HE'S PRETTY FUNNY. 
          . 
          I MEAN, WE DO HAVE LIKE A LEGENDARY CHILIS IN 
          [00:15:01]
AUSTIN THAT IS LIKE A LEGEND OF REDDIT AND THE ONE ON 45TH STREET SLAPS. 
          JUST, JUST PUT THAT OUT. 
          THERE'S GOOD, I THINK WE NEED A, UH, A COMMISSION'S DINNER AT CHILI'S . 
          UM, I LOVE TO TORTURE MY GUESTS AND JUST TAKE THEM WHERE I LIKE TO EAT. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A NEW CEVICHE PLACE CALLED  REALLY CLOSE TO MY HOUSE, AND IT IS SO GOOD AND RIDICULOUS INSIDE THAT IT'S JUST LIKE A SPECTACLE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY PICK. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD ONE. 
          UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY TORN UP ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHY I CHOSE THIS ICEBREAKER, CUZ NOW IT'S LIKE A SOPHIE'S CHOICE KIND OF SITUATION, . 
          UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, IF IT WAS MORE, IT'S GOTTA BE LIKE MORE THAN FOOD. 
          IT'S ALSO LIKE THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO I THINK I MIGHT, I MIGHT DRAG MY UNSUSPECTING GUESTS TO THE CASINO EL CAMINO AT LIKE TW MIDNIGHT FOR A BURGER. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. 
          TAKE HIM TO A SHOW FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, AND TAKE HIM TO A SHOW FIRST. 
          YES. 
          MUSIC FIRST. 
          I'M ALSO VERY TORN. 
          UM, BUT MY PARTNER AND I MOVED BACK TO AUSTIN IN 2020, IN AUGUST, 2020. 
          SO LIKE, HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC. 
          HE HAD NEVER BEEN TO AUSTIN BEFORE HE MET ME. 
          AND SO I WAS REALLY SAD THAT I COULDN'T LIKE, GIVE HIM THE TOUR TO AUSTIN FOOD RIGHT WHEN WE GOT HERE. 
          SO WE DID A LOT OF PICKUP AND TAKE OUT AND SHOUT OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FAVORITES EL DORADO CAFE ON ANDERSON, WHICH IS EXCELLENT FOOD, SUPER GREAT MARGARITAS,  DID 'EM TO GO DURING A LOT DURING THE PANDEMIC, WHICH WAS GREAT. 
          AND THEN SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE LITTLE DELI, SO JUST REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, YEAH, IT MIGHT NOT BE THE MOST EXCITING PLACE, BUT IT IS SOLID. 
          AND THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD ITALIAN SANDWICH. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          SO ONE THING I JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS ABOUT EL DORADO, WHEN THEY, WHEN THE THE PANDEMIC HIT, UH, THE OWNER JOEL, LIKE, THEY JUST, THEY'RE LIKE, COME IN, WE'RE GONNA COOK ALL OF THIS FOOD AND WE'RE GIVING A GOOD OF A ALTAR, OUR EMPLOYEES, AND THEY WORKED REALLY HARD TO LIKE, KEEP TRYING TO PAY PEOPLE DURING THE PANDEMIC. 
          SO YEAH. 
          LIKE TRUE AUSTIN. 
          UH, SO I DO WANNA THROW IT OUT. 
          LIKE, IF ANYBODY ON STAFF IS JUST LIKE, OH, OH, I REALLY WANNA DO , ANYBODY OR NOT GOOD. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, WELL NOW THAT WAS, THAT WAS GOOD. 
          WE KNOW ALL A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT EACH OTHER, SO YEAH. 
          JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS THERE, LIKE, ARE THERE ANY LIKE, GOOD LIKE LATE NIGHT PLACES THAT ARE STILL OPEN, I KNOW KNOW, 24 HOUR DINER'S? NOT REALLY 24 HOURS ANYMORE. 
          WELL, CASINOS GREAT. 
          I THINK KLINK CAFE, NO, KLINK CAFE K LANE, THEY'RE 24 HOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          AT CURB LANE 35TH AND CURB. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD TO KNOW. 
          YEAH, GOOD POINT. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          AWESOME. 
          SO SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE ON WITH OUR AGENDA? YEAH. 
          SUPER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO 
          [2. Staff presentation on Cultural Arts Division funding programs by Laura Odegaard, Acting Division Manager, Cultural Arts Division, Economic Development Department.]
STAFF BRIEFINGS. 
          UM, I THOUGHT WE THOUGHT I'M GONNA STOP SAYING I, WE, THE ROYAL WE THE CHAIRS, UM, AND PLANNING THIS, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO HEAR FROM STAFF REGARDING OUR INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS. WE MAY OR NOT, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT EACH COMMISSION HAS IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, WHAT'S BEEN LAUNCHED, WHAT DEADLINES ARE. 
          SO THIS IS A 30,000 FOOT VIEW. 
          IT'S NOT BY NO MEANS INTENDED TO GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY, BUT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS, UM, AND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO KIND OF CHIME IN AND FILL IN THE GAPS. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH LAURA. 
          SHE'LL BE WALKING US THROUGH OUR, UM, CULTURAL FUNDING PROGRAMS THROUGH THE ARTS. 
          GREAT. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          MY NAME IS LAURA OGAR. 
          I AM THE ACTING CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION MANAGER AT THE MOMENT. 
          AND I'M JUST GONNA GO SUPER, SUPER QUICK OVER THIS. 
          SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO, UM, STOP ME OR ASK ME AT THE END. 
          SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO SOME OF THIS HOPEFULLY IS A REMINDER TO YOU ALL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, UM, GROUND US IN WHERE WE'RE STARTING FROM WITH THIS. 
          SO ALL OF THIS WORK WITH THE PILOT PROGRAMS CAME OUT OF THE CULTURAL FUNDING REVIEW PROCESS. 
          UM, THAT WAS WITH THE CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION, THE MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION, AND HERITAGE TOURISM. 
          AND THAT TOOK OVER 36 MONTHS OF REALLY DEEP COMMUNITY, UM, ENGAGEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THERE'S A VAST BODY OF WORK WRAPPED UP IN THAT PROCESS, UM, THAT YOU CAN FIND ONLINE THROUGH BOTH THE INTERIM AND FINAL REPORT, UM, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE IN INDEX AND DATA THEREAFTER. 
          [00:20:01]
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, SO JUST REAL QUICK, THE IMPETUS TO REVISE THE CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION CULTURAL FUNDING GUIDELINES, UM, STARTED BACK IN 2017. 
          UM, AND SO THE ARTS COMMISSION, YOU ALL CREATED THE CULTURAL FUNDING RESPONSIVENESS WORKING GROUP, UM, TO KIND OF LOOK AT PROGRAMS AND SEE IF WE WERE REALLY REACHING, UM, COMMUNITY WHERE THEY WERE. 
          UM, THEN IN 2018, WE HAD FUNDING CUTS FOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE WE HAD INCREASED OUTREACH TO, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO WE HAD A LOT MORE FOLKS APPLY FOR FUNDING, WHICH WAS GREAT, BUT THE ACTUAL POT THAT WE HAD TO WORK FROM DIDN'T INCREASE PROPORTIONATELY TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT APPLIED. 
          UM, SO IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT FOLKS ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED A DECREASE IN THEIR AWARD THAT YEAR. 
          UM, THAT LED TO A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, AND AROUND THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO HAD THE EQUITY STATEMENT THAT CAME OUT OF THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION, 2023. 
          UM, AND SO THAT BASICALLY REINFORCED THAT THE CITY MUST LEAD WITH A LENS OF RACIAL EQUITY AND HEALING. 
          UM, SO WE USED THAT LENS TO TAKE A DISRUPTIVE STANCE TO CRITICALLY TRANSFORM, UM, OUR PUBLIC SERVICE, IN OUR CASE, CULTURAL FUNDING IN A WAY THAT ELIMINATES SYSTEMIC BARRIERS AND BIASES. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO THIS WAS THE GOAL, UM, TO SUSTAIN AND GROW AUSTIN'S CULTURAL INFRASTRUCTURES SO THAT ALL MAY SHARE IN THE ECONOMIC AND EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION AND CREATIVE SECTORS, AS WELL AS UPHOLDING THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO RACIAL EQUITY PER THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S EQUITY OFFICE STANDARDS AND GOALS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO WHAT WE CAME UP WITH AFTER THREE YEARS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS, UM, A NEW SUITE OF PROGRAMS. AND SO THE IDEA WAS THAT THIS WOULD BE A, UM, A THREE-PRONGED SUITE. 
          I NEED BETTER WORDS THIS MORNING. 
          UM, BUT BASICALLY THERE WAS, WE, WE CREATED A PROGRAM CALLED NEXUS THAT WAS FOCUSED ON NURTURING NEW AND EMERGING APPLICANTS, UM, BY FUNDING SPECIFIC PROJECTS, AND IDEALLY HAD SOME COMMUNITY ACTIVATION AND COLLABORATION INVOLVED WITH THAT. 
          ELEVATE IS WHERE WE SAW MOST OF OUR EXISTING CULTURAL CONTRACTORS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WORKED WITH. 
          UM, SO THIS WAS FUNDING FOR CREATIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES OF CULTURAL PRODUCERS. 
          AND THEN THRIVE WAS FOCUSED INVESTMENT TO SUSTAIN AND GROW ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DEEPLY ROOTED IN AND REFLECTIVE OF AUSTIN'S DIVERSE CULTURE. 
          UM, SO THE IDEA BEHIND THIS WAS TO OFFER A RANGE OF FUNDING PROGRAMS IN BOTH SCALE AND CONTRACT LENGTH. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? UM, SO NEXUS, AS I SAID, THIS ONE IS FOCUSED ON ENCOURAGING NEW TALENT. 
          SO IT'S ONLY A SIX MONTH CONTRACT TERM, AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR PROJECT FUNDING. 
          AND SO IT'S FOR INDIVIDUALS AND FOR GROUPS. 
          UM, THE AVAILABLE POT OF FUNDS FOR THIS AWARD IS $500,000 PER YEAR. 
          SO WE ANTICIPATE 100 AWARDS EVERY YEAR, SO 50 PER CYCLE, AND IT'S JUST A FLAT AWARD OF $5,000. 
          UM, SO AN EXAMPLE OF, OF A NECKLACE NEXUS APPLICANT MIGHT BE, UM, VISUAL ARTISTS WANTING TO PRESENT THEIR WORK, UM, OF THEIR COLLECTIVE IN AN ARTIST RUN SPACE OR A THEATER GROUP THAT'S PRODUCING A PRODUCTION BASED ON COMMUNITY STORIES. 
          SO THESE ARE KIND OF SMALLER ONE-OFF PROJECTS, AND THIS IS REALLY A GREAT ENTRY POINT TO THE CULTURAL FUNDING PROGRAMS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, ELEVATE, UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS TO SUPPORT ESTABLISHED CULTURAL PRODUCERS. 
          SO THERE ARE TWO BUCKETS WITHIN ELEVATE. 
          THERE'S ONE BUCKET FOR 5 0 1  ORGANIZATIONS ONLY, AND THEN ONE BUCKET FOR NON 5 0 1  ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO THE CONTRACT TERM FOR THIS PROGRAM IS ONE YEAR LONG. 
          UM, THE FUNDING IS FOR BOTH PROJECT AND OPERATING SUPPORT. 
          UH, THE SELECTION PROCESS FOR THIS IS A PANEL PROCESS, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TOTAL AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THIS PROGRAM THIS YEAR ARE 5 MILLION FOR ELEVATE FOR 5 0 1  AND 1.25 MILLION FOR ELEVATE NON 5 0 1 . 
          AND SO THE AWARD AMOUNTS WILL RANGE FROM 10 TO 25,000 FOR THE NON 5 0 1  AND 30 TO 75,000 FOR THE 5 0 1 . 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 200 AWARDS TOTAL IN THE ELEVATE PROGRAM, AND THE BULK OF THOSE WOULD BE GOING TO, UM, ARTS AND CULTURE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, THRIVE. 
          SO THIS IS THE PROGRAM THAT WE WAS OUR FIRST OUT THE DOOR, UH, AND THIS ONE IS FOCUSED INVESTMENT, UM, FOR DIVERSE CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS. 
          SO THE, THE CONTRACT TERM FOR THIS ONE IS A TWO YEAR CONTRACT, UM, AND IT'S VERY FLEXIBLE PROJECT FUNDS, OR IT'S 
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VERY FLEXIBLE FUNDS FOR BOTH PROJECT AND OPERATING. 
          UM, AND ADDITIONALLY THERE'S NETWORKING, COACHING AND CLASSES WRAPPED INTO THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, SO FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROGRAM, YOU HAD TO BE A 5 0 1  ORGANIZATION TO APPLY, AND YOU HAD TO HAVE A FIVE YEAR HISTORY IN AUSTIN. 
          AND THE SELECTION PROCESS WAS A PANEL PROCESS FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND WE ENDED UP SELECTING 36 AWARDEES. 
          UH, AND THE AWARDS WERE 85 TO $150,000. 
          SO IT WAS JUST UNDER 4 MILLION IN THE BUCKET FOR THRIVE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST RECENT ONE, UM, I'M GONNA SHARE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE THRIVE PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO THIS IS, THE OTHER PROGRAMS ARE SIMILAR IN THEIR SCORING RUBRIC. 
          UM, BUT THIS WAS THE SCORING CATEGORIES THAT WE HAD FOR THE THRIVE PROGRAM. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE IT WAS BROKEN DOWN INTO OPERATIONS AS WELL AS CULTURAL AND SOCIAL IMPACT. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THAT TOO MUCH MORE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO, SO PART OF THIS, UH, THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE WERE SOLVING FOR WITH THESE PILOT PROGRAMS, UM, ARE THAT IT WAS OPEN TO EVERYONE. 
          WE WANT EVERYONE IN THE ARTS AND CULTURAL ECOSYSTEM TO SEE THEMSELVES SOMEWHERE IN THESE FUNDS. 
          UM, A CHANGE FOR US IS THAT NO ONE NEEDS TO PROVIDE MATCHING FUNDS FOR THESE AWARDS, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY RADICAL FOR, UM, MUNICIPAL FUNDING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE AWARDS AREN'T BASED ON BUDGET HISTORY, WHICH USUALLY DISPROPORTIONATELY LIMITS HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED GROUPS, UM, AS REQUESTED BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT IS A COMPETITIVE PROCESS. 
          UH, AND OUR TRANSITION PLAN, WE WERE LUCKY TO HAVE, HAVE ARPA FUNDS, UM, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE TO ALL EXISTING CULTURAL CONTRACTORS WHO HAD NOT RECEIVED $1 MILLION OR MORE IN RELIEF. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO CREATE THESE PROGRAMS. THAT WAS A GREAT STOP GAP, UM, THAT WE WERE, WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE TO THOSE GROUPS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PANEL PROCESS. 
          SO FOR THRIVE AND ELEVATE, IT'S A PANEL PROCESS. 
          UM, AND SO THE TRAINING MODULES FOR THE PANELS WERE DEVELOPED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE AS WELL AS THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY. 
          UM, CITY STAFF ARE CONSULTANTS, ALL OF THE THINGS. 
          UM, IT'S PAID TRAINING, SO ALL PANELISTS WHO ARE SELECTED ARE PAID FOR THEIR TRAINING. 
          UM, THE TRAINING DECK IS IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE DIFFERENT MODULES KIND OF WRAPPED UP INTO THIS TRAINING, UM, FOCUSED ON EQUITY AND UNCONSCIOUS BIAS, SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE AUSTIN CONTEXT. 
          UM, THERE'S PANEL EXPECTATIONS, PROGRAM GUIDELINES, ALL OF THAT AS WELL AS TECHNICAL TRAINING TO USE OUR PORTAL SYSTEM. 
          AND THEN AFTER EVERYONE IS KIND OF USES THE, GOES THROUGH THE TRAINING DECK, THEN WE HAD A ZOOM, UM, OH, HELLO. 
          WE HAD A ZOOM MEETING, UM, GUIDED, FACILITATED DISCUSSION WITH THE PANELISTS AND WITH AN EQUITY EXPERT. 
          UM, SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS SLIDE, YOU HAVE ALL THIS IN YOUR BACKUP, UM, BUT JUST THE COMPOSITION AND SELECTION. 
          WE TRY TO GET A MIX OF LOCAL AND OUT-OF-TOWN PANELISTS, UM, VARIETY OF EXPERTISES. 
          UM, THEY'RE SELECTED A MONTH BEFORE, IDEALLY THE APPLICATION CLOSES, AND THEN STAFF BRINGS IT TO THE ARTS COMMISSION, UM, FOR REVIEW OF THE SLATE OF PANELISTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          FOR THRIVE, WE HAD, WE WERE LOOKING FOR SEVEN TO NINE PANELISTS. 
          UM, AND SO LIKE I SAID, THEY WERE PAID FOR TRAINING. 
          THEY WERE PAID TO REVIEW AND SCORE THE APPLICATIONS, AND THEN THEY WERE PAID FOR EACH MEETING DAY THAT WE HAD FOR THE APPLICANTS ENDS THE PROCESS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAD A TWO STEP PROCESS FOR THRIVE WHERE THERE WAS A READER STAGE, AND THEN IT WENT TO THE FULL PANEL STAGE, AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THE PROGRAM. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THE PANELISTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED, UM, BY THE ARTS COMMISSION BACK IN OCTOBER. 
          AND THEIR, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWNS ARE BELOW. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF, OF THE TIME THAT IT TOOK FROM PROGRAM, FROM PANEL RECRUITMENT THROUGH COUNCIL ACTION TO APPROVE THESE AWARDS IN FEBRUARY. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO THE, JUST TO GO BACK REAL QUICK TO THE PANEL PART OF IT, FOR THE MEETING DAYS THEMSELVES, WE HAD A ZOOM WEBINAR. 
          SO THE PUBLIC WAS ABLE TO WATCH, UM, THE PANEL PROCESS BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE PAST, WE HAD LET PANELISTS SIT IN ON THE MEETINGS TO HEAR, UH, THE PANELISTS DISCUSS THINGS. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO STILL HAVE THE OPTION WHERE THEY COULD HEAR WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND, AND FOLLOW ALONG, UM, BUT NOT ACTUALLY KIND OF, UM, IMPACT MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT WAS SITTING ACROSS THE TABLE FROM THEM AND GIVING A SCORE. 
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UM, SO HERE ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN JUST SEE HOW MANY, UM, FOLKS WE GOT FOR THE THRIVE PROGRAM. 
          UM, WE HAD 154 SUCCESSFULLY SUBMITTED, 145 WERE, UM, MET THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND WENT TO THE READER. 
          STAGE 59 WENT TO THE FULL PANEL REVIEW, AND THEN 36 WERE, UM, RECEIVING AWARDS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE DASHBOARDS ON OUR WEBSITE@AUSTINTEXAS.GOV SLASH THRIVE, BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE APPLICANTS FOR THIS PROGRAM. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT IT WAS 57% MAJORITY DIVERSE RACE AND ETHNICITY, AND 30, MY SLIDE IS REALLY SMALL ON MY SCREEN, 38%, UM, MAJORITY WHITE AND 5% EQUAL DISTRIBUTION. 
          YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE, THE GENDER OF LEADERSHIP DISTRIBUTION. 
          SO KEEP THIS IN MIND. 
          SO THIS WAS THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THAT WE HAD, AND WE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU CANNOT SCORE ON IMMUTABLE CHARACTERISTICS, BUT WE STILL WANTED TO BE LEADING WITH RACIAL EQUITY. 
          SO WE DID THAT THROUGH THE NARRATIVE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD, AS WELL AS THE PANEL TRAINING. 
          THOSE WERE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE, UM, APPROACHING THIS WITH. 
          SO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, NEXT SLIDE WE GOT HERE WHERE 97% OF THE APPLICANTS WERE MAJORITY DIVERSE RACE AND ETHNICITY AND FI AND 3% WERE EQUAL DISTRIBUTION. 
          SO IT WAS A HUGE, HUGE, UM, IT WAS HUGE. 
          UH, AND WE ARE SUPER, SUPER EXCITED TO COME UP WITH THESE RESULTS. 
          UM, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE GROUP OF APPLICANTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVING FUNDING. 
          MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN RECEIVING FUNDING FROM THE CITY FOR A REALLY, REALLY LONG TIME, BUT NEVER SUCH A DEEP INVESTMENT. 
          SO THERE ARE OTHER, UM, PRESENTATIONS THAT I'VE GIVEN THE ARTS COMMISSION IN THE PAST THAT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN WHO THOSE GROUPS WERE, WHAT THEIR HISTORY OF FUNDING WAS, UM, AND KIND OF WHAT, WHAT A DIFFERENCE THIS, THIS TWO YEAR INVESTMENT IS GOING TO MAKE FOR THEM. 
          UH, AND THEN FINALLY, NEXT SLIDE, JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, UM, THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP NEXT. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING PANEL RECRUITMENT FOR THE ELEVATE PROGRAM, AND THEN ELEVATE IS GOING TO BE LAUNCHING ON MAY 23RD. 
          UH, AND THEN NEXUS IS GOING TO BE LAUNCHING ON JULY 11TH. 
          AND THEN THE NE NEA ARTS EDUCATION GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, IS GOING TO BE LAUNCHING ON AUGUST 8TH. 
          SO THESE ARE KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS FOR US, UM, WITH CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION FUNDING. 
          SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF Y'ALL HAVE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, LAURA. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSION, MONA, ON THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE OPENING? DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THEY'LL BE OPEN FOR? AND THEN WHAT THE TURNAROUND TIME IS FROM WHEN THEY CLOSE THAT APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THE DECISION? SURE. 
          SO I, SO THIS WAS GONNA BE IN, IN YOUR, YOUR LATER THIS MONTH PRESENTATION, BUT MOST OF THE, UM, PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE LAUNCHING ARE GONNA BE OPEN FOR FIVE WEEKS. 
          UM, SO I DON'T HAVE THE CALENDAR DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT'S FIVE WEEKS THAT THE APPLICATION FOR ELEVATE WILL BE OPEN. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH THE PANEL PROCESS, BUT THE DETAILED CALENDAR WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE FOR YOU NEXT WEEK, PROBABLY. 
          I'M HAVING TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER DLA? YES. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I, I MISSED A PART THERE WHERE YOU, YOU HAD WHO THE, THE PEOPLE ON THE, UH, ON THE SELECT ON THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE, UM, HOW ARE THEY THEY SELECTED? AND UH, HOW MUCH REPRESENTATION FROM AUSTIN, LIKE THE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY IS, IS ON THERE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THE PANEL RECRUITMENT THAT WE HAD FOR, FOR THRIVE SPECIFICALLY LAST SUMMER, WE OPENED, UM, THE, THE INTAKE FORM FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WE ENCOURAGED, WE PROMOTED IT, WE ENCOURAGED COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC TO SHARE IT. 
          UM, WE, WE TRIED TO GET, I SHOULD PULL UP THE ACTUAL BREAKDOWN OF FOLKS, BUT, UM, I WANNA SAY WE HAD CLOSE TO 200 PEOPLE APPLY FOR TO BE A PANELIST. 
          SO WE STILL HAVE A HUGE ROSTER IN THAT DATABASE THAT WE'RE ADDING TO EVERY DAY WITH THE ELEVATE, UM, RECRUITMENT. 
          SO FROM THAT POINT, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL WHO HAS, UM, EQUITY EXPERIENCE? CUZ THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS IN THE APPLICATION WHERE THEY COULD SAY, I'M AN EXPERT IN THIS THING, I'M AN EXPERT IN THIS. 
          AND SO WE PULLED EVERYONE THAT SAID, I'M AN EXPERT, OR I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN SOME KIND OF EQUITY WORK. 
          AND THEN WE KIND OF HAD A SECONDARY FORM, UM, THAT THE CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION STAFF SENT OUT. 
          AND THEN STAFF NARROWED THAT LIST DOWN TO 12, I THINK, AND THAT THE BIOS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE THEN BROUGHT TO THE ARTS COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          AND SO WE HAD A GREAT BREAKDOWN, UM, OF BOTH IN TOWN AND OUT OF TOWN. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT PULLING IT UP QUICK ENOUGH, UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW TO GIVE YOU THE, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF 
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EVERYONE. 
          UM, BUT WE HAD, OF, OF THOSE SELECTED, UM, IT WAS FOUR WERE HISPANIC, UM, THREE IDENTIFIED AS BLACK, TWO IDENTIFIED AS ASIAN, ONE, UM, MULTIRACIAL, AND TWO WHITE, WE HAD FIVE THAT IDENTIFIED AS LGBTQ Q I A PLUS ONE THAT IDENTIFIED AS A PERSON WITH DISABILITIES. 
          UM, WE HAD NINE, UM, IDENTIFIED IDENTIFYING AS FEMALE, ONE MALE AND TWO NON-BINARY. 
          AND THEN WITHIN THAT IT WAS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 FROM AUSTIN. 
          SEVEN OF THE 12 WERE FROM AUSTIN. 
          NOW, UH, WHEN WAS THE, WHEN THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THIS, CUZ I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, UH, PEOPLE DI DIVERSE, UH, CULTURES. 
          I MEAN WHEN WE SAY HISPANIC THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BOWL OF FRUIT AND UH, LIKE TO FIND OUT HOW, WHO WAS REACHED OUT, HOW THEY, THEY THEY WERE, UH, WHO REACHED OUT TO THEM, HOW, HOW DID PEOPLE FIND OUT ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN THIS A LONG TIME AND I'VE NEVER KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WAS, IT WAS A NEW PROCESS FOR US STARTING LAST SUMMER. 
          AND SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO DO FOR ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS. SO IT JUST ROLLED OUT LAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE JUST RE-PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO WE'RE DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, IN I THINK NINE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. 
          UM, WE'RE WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH OUR COMMUNICATION TEAM AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO TRY TO GET THE WORD OUT. 
          BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE DO NEED A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR THE ELEVATE PANEL THAT'S COMING UP, WE NEED 105 PANELISTS FOR THIS. 
          UM, SO I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE, UH, QUICK ACCESS TO THE LINK TO SHARE WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS, UM, AFTER THIS MEETING. 
          UH, CUZ WE REALLY NEED TO GET, AS, LIKE YOU SAID, AS DIVERSE A POOL AS POSSIBLE. 
          YES. 
          UM, ONGOING, REALLY. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSION. 
          I WANTED TO, OH, MAY I SAY SOMETHING FROM A, FROM ZOOM LAND? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CASAA. 
          HI THERE. 
          UM, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, I WASN'T AWARE OF THE THRIVE GRANT, UM, PROCESS, BUT I WAS ASKED TO DO AN INTERVIEW FOR AN APPLICANT. 
          UM, THIS IS, UM, JUST KIND OF E UH, TOUCHING UPON, UM, THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I WAS THE CO-FOUNDER OF CENA LAS MEDICAS, AND THEY ASKED, AND WHICH IS 25 YEARS OLD THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND THEY ASKED ME TO DO A, A VIDEO AND I WAS HONORED AND THRILLED TO DO IT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND CENA LAS MEDICAS WON, UM, 150,000 FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS MM-HMM. 
          , SO THAT'S FANTASTIC FOR OUR LATINO COMMUNITY IN AUSTIN. 
          UM, BUT IT, IT, I DO KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE MARKETING OF THESE INCREDIBLE CITY OF AUSTIN PROGRAMS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, UH, WORKING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, MUSIC AND CULTURAL ARTS FOR GETTING THE WORD OUT TO CITIZENS OF AUSTIN. 
          UM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE, AND AGAIN, I I SAY THIS BECAUSE I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE THRIVE GRANT PROGRAM UNTIL I WAS ASKED TO DO SOMETHING FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE GET IN OUR SILOS OF CERTAIN THINGS AND IT'S, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A RESOURCE TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT THERE. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE INCREDIBLE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING SO FAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER MOCK, UM, I HAVE SERVED ON THIS US COMMISSION FOR OVER 10 YEARS, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT TOO LONG. 
          IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGE TO REACH OUT, UH, ESPECIALLY TO THE UNDERSERVED POPULATION, BUT I MUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF AND THE US COMMISSION HAVE ENGAGING, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, AND WE HAVE SET UP A QUARTERLY MEETING, YOU KNOW, WITH ARTISTS AND, UH, OF COURSE WE CAN ALWAYS DO MORE. 
          I JUST WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BEING WITHOUT TRYING. 
          SO, UH, WE CERTAINLY AM SO NOT, UH, THANKFUL TO HAVE COMMISSIONS MEETING SO WE CAN, UM, HAVE MORE PEOPLE'S HELP TO HELP US REACH OUT TO MORE ESPECIALLY, UM, WITH, WITH AUSTIN IS GROWING LIPS AND BONES, WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN WITH WONDERFUL IDEAS AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY NONPROFIT WE HAVE IN AUSTIN. 
          I THINK IT'S IN THE THOUSANDS. 
          AND SO, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, 
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SO WE, WE ARE TRYING, AND I I REALLY WANT TO, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, BOTH THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO TRY OUR VERY BEST TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT WE CERTAINLY NEEDED HELP. 
          SORRY, UH, LAURA, I, UH, I REALLY LIKED YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          I WAS LOOKING THROUGH MY EMAIL AND, UH, FOR THE MUSIC COMMISSION. 
          I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN IT. 
          YOU MENTIONED IT WAS IN THE BACKUP. 
          WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET A COPY OF THAT PRESENTATION TO THE MUSIC COMMISSION? YES, OF COURSE. 
          I THINK IT'S POSTED ON THE ARTS COMMISSION'S, UM, BOARDS AND COMMISSION'S PAGE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT ALSO GOES OUT TO YOU ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL, I'M ONLINE, I'LL TAKE A LOOK. 
          THANKS. 
          JUST TO ADD TO THAT REALLY QUICKLY, IN REGARD TO BACKUP, THE LINK TO THE POST IS GREAT. 
          I KNOW WE OFTEN GET A PDF, BUT JPEGS ARE PERFECT FOR SHARING, FOR QUICK SHARING ON SOCIAL AND VIA EMAIL AND TEXTS AND STUFF. 
          SO IF THAT CAN JUST BE ADDED TO THE ROBUST LIST OF BACKUP YOU GUYS PROVIDE US. 
          BUT TO, AGAIN, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EASE AND EXPEDIENCY AND GETTING STUFF OUT, JPEG VERSIONS OF ANY FLYER THAT IS GENERATED, UM, REALLY HELPS CIRCULATION. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER MERLA, AND THEN I SAW COMMISSIONER MAGNA. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I, I THINK, UH, THOSE ARE PRETTY OUTSTANDING RESULTS. 
          UM, I THINK IN TERMS OF MARKETING, I WOULD DEFINITELY REQUEST, UH, THE CITY STAFF TO LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE OTHER WAYS. 
          I KNOW YOU'VE DONE THIS FOR A LONG TIME, UH, BUT PERHAPS, UH, WE MENTIONED IN THE LAST MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING, UH, MAYBE DOING SOME NEWSPAPER ADS, YOU KNOW, UH, THE POPULAR ONES, GETTING SOME ADS IN THERE. 
          UH, WE WERE DOING, UM, A MUSIC CENSUS SURVEY IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND JUST A GENERAL NOTE THAT A LOT OF TIMES THE WAY WE REACHED OUT TO THE DIVERSE COMMUNITIES IS REALLY JUST DIRECT OUTREACH THROUGH RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES, UH, AS INDIVIDUALS, UH, AS WELL. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL IN JUST TEXTING PEOPLE BECAUSE A LOT OF US HAVE LIVED HERE IN TOWN FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES ALREADY. 
          SO, UH, JUST THAT KIND OF OUTREACH BROUGHT IN A, A TREMENDOUS RESPONSE. 
          UM, ON THE GRANTS THEMSELVES, OF COURSE, UH, UM, I I HAVE JUST ATTENDED ONE, UH, ARTS MEETING, UH, BUT WHEN I GOT APPOINTED, UH, AND THESE THRIVE GRANTS AND THE OUTCOMES, UH, HAPPENED RIGHT AROUND THE TIME, SO THERE WAS A HUGE POSITIVE REACTION, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF CONCERN COMING FROM, UH, SEVERAL, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ESTABLISHED ARTS, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, UM, IN TOWN. 
          AND, UM, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE GRANTS WERE MEANT TO REACH A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC AND ALSO, UH, THE OUTCOMES WERE ACHIEVED ESSENTIALLY THROUGH NOT ASKING DIRECT QUESTIONS IN THE ACTUAL RUBRIC ITSELF, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CITY LEGAL HAD ADVISED AGAINST IT. 
          BUT WE, UM, I WOULD INFER THAT WE USE THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE SET ESSENTIALLY TO THEN EVALUATE THE QUESTIONS BASED ON THOSE GUIDELINES TO ACHIEVE THESE OUTCOMES. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, WE SHOULD LOOK INTO WAYS TO BUILD MORE TRANSPARENCY INTO THE PROCESS. 
          UH, UH, I THINK ESTABLISHING, UH, OPERA RATHER PUBLISHING SOME OF THE OUTCOMES, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT APPLIED, UH, WHAT SCORES THEY GOT, UH, IT'S PUBLIC FUNDING. 
          THE MORE TRANSPARENCY WE PROVIDE AROUND THE PROCESS AND THE OUTCOMES, UH, I THINK THE BETTER OFF IT IS. 
          UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME SENSITIVITIES AROUND SCORES GETTING PUBLISHED AND WHATNOT, BUT AGAIN, I ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE POINT THAT THIS IS PUBLIC MONEY. 
          UH, SO THE, UH, THE MORE TRANSPARENCY, THE BETTER. 
          ALSO, WE, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT AROUND THE FIVE YEAR CONSIDERATION, BUT THAT WAS VERY, OBVIOUSLY VERY CONFUSING TO, UH, FOLKS WHERE ORGANIZATIONS DIDN'T APPLY BECAUSE OF THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU HAD TO BE A 5 0 1   FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. 
          YOU HAD TO BE IN OPERATION FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          THERE WERE SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AROUND, UH, SOME ORGANIZATIONS GETTING THE GRANTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IN OPERATION FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          I DO NOT KNOW THE VALIDITY OF IT, BUT THAT WAY OF HEARING THOSE CONCERNS, I THINK MAKES IT WORTH IT TO LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL. 
          AND TO SEE DID, DID, WAS THERE ACTUALLY A GAP THERE? AND, UH, UH, IF YES, THEN HOW CAN IT BE CORRECTED IN THE FUTURE? I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY KIND OF RETROACTIVE ACTION. 
          PEOPLE WHO APPLY, THEY APPLY. 
          I THINK THE ON IS ON THE FOLKS WHO ARE EVALUATING AND GIVING THE GRANT, MAKING DECISIONS ON THE GRANTS TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS THERE. 
          SO, 
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BUT I THINK THESE CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME UP SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO, SO WE CAN TAKE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE RIGHT MEASURES TO, UH, UH, MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M REALLY LOOKING, UH, FORWARD TO THESE OTHER GRANTS ROLLING OUT AND ALSO TO SEE THE OUTCOMES FROM THE, UH, THE LIVE MUSIC FUND ON THE, ON THE MUSIC SIDE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK. 
          COMMISSIONER MELTON, OTHER THAN COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, SORRY, GETTING USED TO THIS, MIKE , UH, I DID HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I KNOW AS I REVIEWED THE APPLICANTS AND WHO THE, UH, MONIES WERE AWARDED TO IS THAT THERE'S A RAPPORT YET. 
          UM, MORE SO THAT FALLS INTO WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF CATEGORY? SO FOR THE CULTURAL ARTS, HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY WENT TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT FOCUS ON VISUAL ART, DANCE, THEATER, ET CETERA? UH, CUZ I THINK IN, UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SPACE THAT WE'RE IN NOW, I KNOW A LOT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS ALSO, UH, PROVIDE CULTURAL ARTS PROGRAMMING THROUGH MUSIC. 
          AND SO FOR ME, TRYING TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND, UH, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT APPLIED FOR FUNDING, THAT WAS THROUGH CULTURAL ARTS, HOW MUCH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS CAN NOW TAP INTO THE MONEY THAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO BE APPLIED FOR THAT'S COMING THROUGH THE, UH, MUSIC FUND. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, SO IS THERE A REPORT THAT SHOWS THOSE CATEGORIES? THERE IS. 
          AM I ON, I'M STILL ON. 
          UM, THERE IS, SO I, I TOOK OUT THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE BREAKDOWN OF THE DISCIPLINES, UM, JUST FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME TODAY, BUT I THINK IT WAS LAST MONTH'S, UM, REPORT OUT TO THE ARTS COMMISSION, OR MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE MONTH BEFORE WHERE I BROKE DOWN THE 36 ORGANIZATIONS INTO, THESE WERE MULTIDISCIPLINARY, THESE WERE THEATER, THESE WERE MUSIC, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT REPORT, UM, REALLY EASILY FOR EVERYONE THAT HAS APPLIED FOR THRIVE. 
          UM, BOTH THE FOLKS WHO RECEIVED THE MONEY AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT ALREADY. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE THAT DATA FOR ALL PAST RECIPIENTS AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK FROM AN INTERNAL STAFF SIDE, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO WHEN WE'RE SENDING OUTREACH ABOUT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. UM, WHEN WE WERE SENDING OUT INFORMATION ABOUT THRIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK IN OUR DATABASE AND SEND IT TO ALL FOLKS WHO HAD APPLIED FOR PREVIOUS FUNDING FROM OUR PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS ANY NONPROFIT IN, IN THE DATABASE THAT WE HAVE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING FOR MUSIC, UM, MOVING FORWARD FOR SURE. 
          AND HAPPY TO, TO SHARE A LIST IF YOU NEED AS WELL. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'LL BE A GOOD REPORT JUST TO SEE WHAT DISCIPLINARIES THE MONEY GOT AWARDED TO MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SHARED, I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE'LL BE A FORMAL SURVEY THAT THAT IS SHARED WITH THE APPLICANTS TO SHARE, TO GIVE US, TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE APPLICATION PROCESS WAS. 
          WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF IT  OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK, UH, A FORMAL SURVEY WOULD BE GREAT. 
          YES. 
          I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE WORKS FOR EVERYONE THAT APPLIES FOR FUNDING WITH WITHIN THE NEW PORTAL SYSTEM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, UM, THANK YOU, UM, UH, MS. OGAR FOR THE INFORMATION. 
          UH, TWO, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ACTUALLY. 
          ONE, ARE MUSICIANS ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR NEXUS ELEVATOR THRIVE? YES. 
          SO, UM, AND SAY NEXUS A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR SURE. 
          UM, FOR ALL OF THEM, YES. 
          UM, WE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ARTISTS, UM, IT'S NOT JUST VISUAL ARTISTS. 
          LIKE WE HAVE A REALLY BROAD DEFINITION OF WHO A CREATIVE IS. 
          UM, SO OF COURSE THAT INCLUDES MUSICIANS. 
          OKAY. 
          THEATER ARTISTS, OPERA SINGERS. 
          UM, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          UM, AND THE SECOND QUESTION, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER DOING ALL THE HARD WORK WITH THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, THERE WAS, UM, SOME CONCERN ABOUT USING RACE, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, AND THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR RECEIVING THE FRONTS BECAUSE OF THE 14TH COMMITMENT AND ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, THE QUESTION IS, WITH ALL OF THE, UM, HOUSE BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE GOING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, L G B T, QIA RIGHTS AND ALL, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, HAS THAT IN ANY WAY, OR IS THAT, OR ARE YOU CONCERNED WITH, UM, ANY OF THOSE LE ANY OF THAT LEGISLATION KIND OF COMING DOWN AND AFFECTING THE QUALIFICATION OF PEOPLE WITH, UM, THESE GRANTS THAT IDENTIFY AS, UM, NON-BINARY OR TRANSGENDER OR ANY OF THAT STUFF? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, IT DOESN'T, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYONE RECEIVING THAT HAD ALREADY RECEIVED FUNDING. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR GUIDELINES. 
          I, I WOULD SAY, IF YOU HAD ASKED US THIS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THOSE RUBRICS AND GUIDELINES, THEY, WE WERE SCORING, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF POPULATIONS, BUT BASED ON LEGAL'S RECOMMENDATION, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN CHANGED IN A WAY THAT, 
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THAT IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE OUR RUBRICS, OUR GUIDELINES, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, I'M SORRY, SHANE, I DON'T KNOW YOUR LAST NAME AND YOU'RE ON MUTE. 
          I, UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY HAVE A GIG OUT OF TOWN THAT I NEED TO HEAD OUT TO. 
          SO, UM, THIS HAS BEEN REALLY INFORMATIVE AND, UH, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          I'M JUST DOING A QUICK HEADCOUNT TO MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE QUM, WE'RE OKAY. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, I LET ED CHARLOTTE KNOW. 
          UM, SO, UM, I'M REALLY HA, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY, I WOULD LOVE TO, TO CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED, BUT YEAH, DADDY HAS PAYS RENT, SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS FOR HOPPING ON TODAY, SHANE. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL FOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH, SHANE, TODAY. 
          SO SAFE TRAVELS AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO TALKING WITH ALL OF YOU, UH, FURTHER IN DEPTH IN THE FUTURE, BUT FOR NOW, I'VE, I'VE GOTTA GET IN MY CAR AND DRIVE OUT OF TOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          GO MAKE THAT MONEY, BRO. 
          COMMISSIONER BARTEL. 
          YEAH, DON'T BE A STRANGER. 
          I WILL NOT . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BYE GUYS. 
          BYE. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONERS IN THE ROOM. 
          AH, COMMISSIONER GOULD, THANKS SO MUCH. 
          UM, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE PRESENTATION, REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. 
          UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOME WONDERFUL PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE. 
          UM, I KIND OF WANTED TO CONTINUE ON WITH, UH, THE POINT THAT, UH, CHAIR MELO BROUGHT UP, UM,  A FEW MINUTES AGO, UM, BECAUSE I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WHO, UM, LOST THEIR FUNDING DUE TO THIS CHANGE IN PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, I KIND OF WANTED TO, TO KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A NATURAL TRADE OFF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, UM, BUT, UM, WHAT, UH, DO YOU, WHAT IS YOU GUYS, UH, RESPONSE TO, UM, AND, AND FUTURE PLANS TO SERVE THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT, UH, ENDED UP LOSING THEIR FUNDING DUE TO THESE CHANGES? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO, I, I THINK THE FIRST, UM, JUST LITTLE, LITTLE THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT IT'S NOT THAT ANYONE HAS LOST FUNDING, IT'S THAT WE HAVEN'T LAUNCHED ALL THE PROGRAMS YET. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE THAT, UM, I'M, UH, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES. 
          SO I THINK THERE IS STILL A LOT OF COMMUNICATION THAT CAN HAPPEN. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE, THE BIG THINGS THAT WE HEARD BACK IN 2018 WAS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO RECEIVE THE MONEY. 
          AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE SAYING THAT AND TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO LEAD WITH EQUITY. 
          UM, AND, AND ALSO KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY FOR EVERYONE. 
          AND SO WHAT OTHER RESOURCES CAN WE PROVIDE AS A CITY TO KIND OF BALANCE THAT OUT? UM, SO I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST BUCKET OF FUNDING FOR THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY FUNDED IS ELEVATE. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE SEE MOST FOLKS GOING. 
          UM, JUST TO, TO FRAME IT A LITTLE BIT, IN THE PAST WE HAD OVER 600 CONTRACTS WITH ARTISTS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FUND ALL 600 SOME GROUPS ANYMORE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, THIS WAS THE SOLUTION TO DO THESE PILOT PROGRAMS, UM, WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND IT'S A MOVING, IT'S A MOVING TARGET. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP EVALUATING THINGS. 
          AGAIN, I THINK THE 200 ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL GET FUNDING THROUGH ELEVATE, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO HELP, UM, MOVE THINGS ALONG IN A, IN A MORE POSITIVE WAY. 
          UM, WE LAUNCHED THE MOST COMPETITIVE PROGRAM FIRST, CUZ WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE MOST CRITICAL NEED. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS A HUGE DIFFERENCE FROM 99% OF THE FOLKS RECEIVING FUNDING TO 24% OF THE PEOPLE RECEIVING FUNDING. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A HARD SHIFT AND IT'S A LOT OF HARD CONVERSATIONS AND WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP POINTING PEOPLE BACK TO, UM, THE, THE CULTURAL FUNDING REVIEW PROCESS AND THE WAY THAT WE ARE SAYING WE ARE COMMITTED TO LEADING WITH EQUITY AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO, UM, TO DOING THINGS IN THIS WAY. 
          AND I THINK ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE TRANSPARENCY AND LOOKING AT HISTORICALLY, WHERE HAS THE MONEY GONE AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, DISPROPORTIONATELY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE GONE TO CERTAIN GROUPS AND THEY HAVEN'T GONE TO OTHER GROUPS. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS THE TIME TO MAKE THAT CHANGE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I THINK IT'S JUST A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF HARD CONVERSATIONS, A LOT OF REMEMBERING TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDING 
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PROGRAMS THAT ARE ROLLING OUT, BOTH THROUGH THE CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION AS WELL AS MUSIC, AS WELL AS HERITAGE, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CLASSES AND, AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, THAT I'M EXCITED THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE GONNA BE SHARING, UM, IN A LITTLE BIT AFTER, AFTER ERICA'S PRESENTATION. 
          SO IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS REALLY. 
          UH, MAY THANKS SO MUCH. 
          CAN I, CAN I JUST, I'M I'M SORRY. 
          CAN I JUST, I'M I'M SORRY, RESPOND THAT NO, NO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, AND ALSO JUST, UH, BEING, BEING CLOSE TO SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE, UM, IN THAT SITUATION, I KNOW TO THEM IT FEELS LIKE THEY LOST FOR SURE THEIR FUNDING BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, OPERATING A CERTAIN WAY UNDER CIRCUM, CERTAIN CIRCUM SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          AND IT FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE RUG'S BEEN PULLED OUT FROM UNDER THEM AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE ORGANIZATION IN PARTICULAR IS, FEELS TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE VERY IN LINE WITH WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GOING. 
          AND SO, UM, IT MAKES ME SAD THAT THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. 
          SO IT'S, AND I, AND I TOTALLY GET IT. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK, UM, IT WOULD BE THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE COMMUNICATION AND CONTINUING TO FRAME THESE CHANGES, UM, IN THE, IN WITH THE SPIRIT THAT IS GUIDING THEM, I THINK WILL HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR, FOR US, UH, WHO ARE BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO HEAR THINGS LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY AND YOU'RE LIKE LOOKING AROUND GOING LIKE, WHAT, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ? LIKE, AUSTIN HAS GROWN SO MUCH. 
          LIKE, WHY ISN'T THERE ENOUGH MONEY? WHERE CAN WE FIND IT? YOU KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T BEING COLLECTED, S R T, UM, FEES AND THINGS AND OTHER, UH, SOURCES THAT WE CAN REALLY GROW THAT POT BECAUSE WE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE AS MANY, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AS WE CAN. 
          SO, AND THAT'S SAID WITH MUCH LOVE AND GRATITUDE FOR ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS DO. 
          SO IT MAKES US SAD TOO, IF IT'S ANY CONSOLATION. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW I'M, THERE ARE SO MANY REALLY, REALLY DESERVING ORGANIZATIONS, UM, THAT WE'RE FINALISTS AND DIDN'T MAKE IT TO, TO THE ENDS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE COMING. 
          AND HOPEFULLY, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN FIND YOURSELF IN THAT NOT, I JUST HAD A QUICK COMMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND, UM, I SO APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING AND ECHO THE SENTIMENTS ON, ON ALL AROUND THE TABLE. 
          UM, I WAS THINKING ABOUT, UM, COMMISSIONER DAVILA, UH, AND GETTING THE WORD OUT IN THE MARKETING PIECE AGAIN ABOUT ALL THESE INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT AUSTIN DOES PROVIDE. 
          AND SO MANY CITIES DO NOT PROVIDE THE, UM, ABUNDANT RESOURCES THAT WE, THAT WE DO HAVE. 
          UM, AND, UH, I WAS THINKING HOW WE STARTED THE, THE MEETING TODAY TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS AND HOW THEY DO SEEM TO BE LIKE CULTURAL KIND OF COMMUNITY CENTERS IN OUR LIVES. 
          AND I WONDER, DO WE DO ANY KIND OF POSTERS OR FLYERS OF THESE PROGRAMS IN PLACES LIKE JOE'S BAKERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA, WHILE IT'S GREAT, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHICS THAT ARE BETTER AT NAVIGATING SOCIAL MEDIA THAN OTHERS. 
          AND I ALSO THINK THAT YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA CAN, YOU KNOW, START SILOING PEOPLE AND ALGORITHMS AND THIS AND THAT. 
          SO I WONDER IF, UM, JUST GOOD OLD FASHIONED FLYERS AND CERTAIN CO YOU KNOW, CULINARY COMMUNITY CENTERS COULD HELP US GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT THESE INCREDIBLE PROGRAMS YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY CREATED. 
          THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. 
          AND WE HAVE A NEW, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, STAFF PERSON IN OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM AT E D D NOW, SO I'M SURE THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF, UM, FUTURE, FUTURE MARKETING EFFORTS. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION. 
          THANK YOU COMMISS. 
          MR. DK, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A CONCERN, UM, ON, ON, ON THE, WHO RECEIVED, UH, THE FUNDS, HOW THEY RECEIVED THEM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONE ORGANIZATION THAT I KNOW THAT, UH, IT'S BEEN MY INTEREST BECAUSE, UH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN AFTERTHOUGHT, UH, THE TEJANO INDUSTRY. 
          AND, UH, THERE WAS ONE ORGANIZATION THAT FOR YEARS HAS BEEN DOING THE CULTURE AND, UH, FOR SOME REASON THIS YEAR THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING. 
          AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH MUSIC, WITH THE KTO FESTIVALS. 
          AND, UH, I, I, I JUST DIDN'T SEE HOW THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS DOING THAT DIDN'T GET FUNDING. 
          I UNDERSTAND THIS OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, BUT ACTUALLY THAT DO PROMOTING THAT THE CULTURE, 
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MEXICAN-AMERICAN CULTURE THROUGH KOTO MUSIC, WHICH IS, UH, THAT'S MY NICHE. 
          AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          I MEAN, I SAID BEFORE, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS IN 1963, AND, UM, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, THIS GROUP HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT. 
          AND, UH, IT WAS JUST KIND OF WONDERING HOW IT WAS SELECTED AND WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE CRITERIA THAT I SEE ABOUT DANCE AND MUSIC AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST SEEING THAT, THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          . 
          YEAH, SO I, I THINK JUST GOING BACK TO THE RUBRIC AND THE GUIDELINES AND THE PANEL PROCESS, AND SO THERE WERE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, SCORING CRITERIA. 
          AND SOME OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HISTORY OF SERVICE AND CULTURAL LEADERSHIP. 
          UM, AND, AND IT WAS REALLY COMPETITIVE. 
          SO IT'S, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE GREATEST ANSWER TO HERE, UM, BUT IT WAS, THERE WERE A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAD INCREDIBLE BODIES OF WORK, INCREDIBLE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          THEY'RE SO VITAL FOR OUR CITY, THEY'RE SO VITAL FOR OUR CITY, AND YET THEY JUST DIDN'T SCORE HIGH ENOUGH IN THAT POOL OF 145 REALLY DESERVING CULTURAL NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. 
          IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT ALL OF THEM GOT THE FUNDS AND IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH A SPECIFIC TYPE OF, UM, CULTURAL OFFERING. 
          IT WASN'T LIKE THERE WAS, WE NEED TO FUND FIVE DANCE COMPANIES AND FIVE MUSIC COMPANIES, AND FIVE THIS. 
          UM, IT WAS JUST LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT THE ORGANIZATION AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE GUIDELINES IN THE RUBRIC THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION HAD APPROVED, UM, LAST YEAR. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GREAT. 
          UM, AND I KNOW IT'S REALLY HURTFUL AND HARMFUL FOR SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS NOT TO HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING FOR THE THRIVE PROGRAM. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, I CAN ONLY JUST POINT THEM TO THE FACT THAT ELEVATE IS OPENING SOON. 
          UM, AND REALLY, REALLY HOPE THAT ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DID NOT GET THRIVE FUNDING APPLY IN ELEVATE. 
          I, I DO WANNA, I DO WANNA WRAP THIS UP BECAUSE WE HAVE MUSIC TO PRESENT AND I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE MORE IN-DEPTH QUESTIONS. 
          WE SHOULD WAIT TO THE ARTS COMMISSION, EXCUSE ME, THE ARTS COMMISSION MEETINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THESE PRESENTATIONS ARE MUCH MORE IN DEPTH. 
          UM, AND I WOULD LOVE TO INVITE MUSIC COMMISSIONERS TO COME TO OUR MEETINGS. 
          I PLAN ON ATTENDING MUSIC MEETINGS. 
          I HOPE MY FELLOW ARTS COMMISSIONERS WILL COME AND ATTEND. 
          AND I JUST WANNA GIVE AMPLE, UH, TIME AND BREATHING BETWEEN PRESENTATIONS. 
          UH, JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT, THIS IS AN ECOSYSTEM WE HAD OF THE 206 APPLICATIONS THAT WERE STARTED, 154 WERE, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR A PROGRAM THAT WE KNEW WAS GONNA SERVE 25% OF THE APPLICANTS. 
          IT WAS INTENDED TO BE COMPETITIVE. 
          IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A SMALL COHORT. 
          AND WE HAVE ELEVATED ON THE HORIZON. 
          NOBODY'S LOST FUNDING. 
          THERE'S STILL FUNDING COMING DOWN THE PIKE, UM, AT VERY, UH, SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AMOUNTS. 
          IT'S STILL IN PROCESS. 
          AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO UNDERMINE, UM, THOSE THAT DID RECEIVE THE GRANT FUNDING AND, AND THOSE THAT DIDN'T. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE HAD, UM, IN INCRE, WE, WE KNOW WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE ECOSYSTEM OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ALL DESERVING, AND WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER IN THIS ROOM COLLABORATIVELY TO FIND ALTERNATIVE FUNDING THAT'S NOT TIED TO HOT AND TO KEEP CREATING OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CUL ARTS AND CULTURE ECOSYSTEM. 
          UM, IF THEY'RE QUICK, I WILL ALLOW COMMISSION, MALDEN AND COMMISSIONER MARK, 32ND. 
          I NEED . 
          MINE WILL BE SHORT. 
          UH, CUZ I, I REALLY WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US BEING IN THE SAME ROOM WITH THE MUSIC COMMISSIONERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE REALLY EXCELLENT WORK WITH, WITH THE FUNDING, UM, WITH THE BLACK MUSIC FUND, WITH AND ALL, JUST IN GENERAL, THE WORK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING. 
          I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IT. 
          AND I THINK WHAT I JUST WANNA CLOSE ON, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER DAVILA HAS BROUGHT UP, IS THAT, UH, DEFINITELY DO NOT WANNA DISMISS THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. 
          AND WHEN YOU DO LOOK AT THE END RESULTS, I MEAN, I WANNA CRY THE FIRST TIME I SAW THOSE RESULTS, CUZ A AND WHEN I SAW THE LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS. 
          BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE A DUTY TO PRESERVE AND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES FUNDING, UH, ALLOCATION OF FUNDING SET ASIDE OUTSIDE OF THIS GRANT LOOKS LIKE FOR PRESERVING, WHETHER IT'S ART, ART OR MUSIC, BUT JUST IN GENERAL CULTURE ARTS FOR THE CITY. 
          AND, UH, AND LEARNING FROM, FROM THE MUSIC COMMISSIONERS AND GETTING IDEAS OF WHAT DOES THE PRESERVATION OF ORGANIZATIONS AND PROGRAMMING LOOKS LIKE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD ALREADY IN THE CITY 32ND. 
          UM, THIS IS A STUDY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND WE EVEN HAVE CONSULTANTS TO COME IN AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE LOOK AT THE EQUITY ISSUES BECAUSE, YOU 
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KNOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSING IT FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS EVER SINCE THE, THE NATIONAL HUMANITY GRANT. 
          I MEAN, UH, ART, ART ACT WAS PASSED. 
          BUT IN ANY CASE, AT OUR DISCUSSION, I DID MENTION ABOUT SOME PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO WRITE PROPOSAL AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T. 
          SO ONE OF, UM, OUR DISCUSSION IS, IS ABOUT, UH, UH, STAFF SUPPORT TO HELP LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL, HOW TO WRITE IT SO THAT, SO, SO, SO THAT IT IS, UH, UH, IT IS, UM, HOW SHOULD I PUT IT? ACCESSIBLE, RE RECEPTIVE, YOU KNOW, TO THE PANELISTS. 
          SO I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST THAT ORGANIZATION WHO DIDN'T GET, UM, THIS PER FIRST, FIRST FUNDING, UH, WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO APPLY FOR THE ELEVATE TO MAYBE TAKE, MAKE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE STAFF SUPPORT AS FAR AS HOW THEY WRITE THIS PROPOSAL. 
          32ND, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MY QUESTION OR COMMENT TIES DIRECTLY INTO COMMISSIONER MOCKS AND ALSO SEGUEWAYS INTO MUSIC, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE SO EXCITED THAT THE LIVE MUSIC FUND APPLICATION IS NOW OPEN, BUT WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF SUPPORT, WHAT IS OR WAS AVAILABLE TO, AND WHAT SEEMED TO BE REALLY USEFUL TO PEOPLE? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I, I SHOULD HAVE, I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED THAT ONE TOO. 
          UM, SO THERE WAS A WHOLE HOST OF, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH STAFF AND MEET WITH, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE SUPPORTING THE APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          UM, WE HAVE OPEN OFFICE HOURS. 
          WE HAD THEM EVERY TUESDAY THAT THE APPLICATION WAS OPEN. 
          WE HAD INFO SESSIONS AT VARIOUS COMMUNITY PARTNERS AROUND TOWN. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD GO TO ASIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH FOLKS THERE. 
          AND SO IT WAS, HERE'S AN INFO SESSION AND ALSO LET'S ACTUALLY MEET AND TALK ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION AND WALK THROUGH IT. 
          UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER MOCK WAS RECOMMENDING. 
          UM, SO WE'VE, WE DID THOSE, UM, ONLINE. 
          WE DID THEM IN PERSON. 
          WE HAD, UM, AT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE AND HERITAGE FACILITY, WE HAD SEVERAL DAYS WHERE STAFF WAS POSITIONED THERE, UM, WITH THE COMPUTER LAB JUST TO BE THERE AND GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION WITH FOLKS IF THEY WANTED ASSISTANCE. 
          UM, STAFF IS ALWAYS OPEN TO JUST HAVING ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH FOLKS. 
          SO WE HAVE, UM, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE, UH, THE SUMMARY OF, OF THE SLIDE THAT WE HAD, UM, AT THE END OF THRIVE THAT KIND OF WRAPPED UP ALL OF OUR, UM, MARKETING AND COMMUNICATION SUPPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THAT'S FANTASTIC. 
          UH, SO WHEN YOU DID GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, WERE THERE CERTAIN LOCATIONS OR TYPES OF LOCATIONS THAT, LIKE YOU REALLY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE JOIN OR WERE, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FROM, YOU KNOW, WHO SHOWED UP TO YEAH, JUST BROAD STROKES. 
          UH, UM, IT FEELS LIKE A MILLION YEARS AGO NOW, BECAUSE THAT WAS BACK IN THE FALL. 
          UM, I, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAD MORE IN ONE SPECIFIC SPACE THAN THE OTHERS. 
          I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND ASK STUFF ABOUT THAT. 
          SORRY. 
          AND THAT'S FINE. 
          OBVIOUSLY I'LL JUST SPRING THIS ON YOU, BUT YEAH, I WOULD LOVE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR, ANY, ANYTHING ABOUT THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH THE MUSIC STAFF. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING REALLY HARD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY BUSY. 
          UM, ARE, THEY'RE REALLY, OUR STAFF IS SUPER BUSY GETTING THIS PROGRAM LAUNCHED. 
          AND YEAH. 
          SO IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, YOU KNOW, TO PEOPLE TO MEET AT, YOU KNOW, COFFEE SHOP IN THEIR DISTRICT MM-HMM. 
          , LIKE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT FEEL NOT INTIMIDATING, BUT THEY CAN GET THAT REALLY HANDS-ON SUPPORT. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANNA SUPPORT EMERGING ARTISTS AND A LOT OF, I'VE ALREADY SEEN A LITTLE BIT ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT, THAT SOME PEOPLE IN THE MUSIC COMMUNITY FEEL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED OR OVERWHELMED BY THEM, BY THE APPLICATION. 
          SO WE JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO LOSE OUT JUST BECAUSE THAT, THIS, THIS PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THEIR WHEELHOUSE, BUT THEY HAVE AN AMAZING IDEA AND A LOT OF READINESS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT WRAPS US UP. 
          AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, LAURA, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          AND THAT MOVES 
          [3. Staff presentation on Music & Entertainment Division funding programs by Erica Shamaly, Division Manager, Music & Entertainment Division, Economic Development Department.]
US INTO ITEM THREE STAFF PRESENTATION, UM, ON MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION, FUNDING PROGRAMS BY ERICA SHAMLEY, DIVISION MANAGER AT MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          HELLO EVERYBODY. 
          ERICA SHAMLEY, MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION MANAGER FOR, UH, WITHIN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          SO I'M GONNA BE LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD. 
          GREAT. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE AN OVERVIEW FOR OUR FUNDING PROGRAMS, INCLUDING CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANT PROGRAM, AND THE LIVE MUSIC FUND EVENT PROGRAM. 
          AND SO SOME OF THIS STUFF YOU'VE SEEN A LOT. 
          SO SOME SLIDES I'LL GO THROUGH QUICKLY AND OTHERS WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE 
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A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WITH ESPECIALLY, UH, THE SLIDE RELATED TO HOW WE WANT, UM, APPLICANTS TO APPLY SO THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE SHORTER, MORE EASY APPLICATION. 
          SO IF YOU COULD, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, AS YOU KNOW, CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM WAS, UH, UM, CREATED TO, UH, AROUND THE PRIORITY AROUND CREATIVE SPACE SUSTAINABILITY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, WE HAD A 1.5 MILLION BUDGET FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          UH, THE AWARDS RANGE FROM FIVE TO $50,000 FOR A 12 MONTH CON, UH, AGREEMENT TERM. 
          SO YOU HAVE THREE CATEGORIES FOR CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, BOTH RENT STIPEND, 30% UP TO $50,000 PER YEAR GAP FINANCING TO CLOSE, UH, THE SALE OF A CREATIVE SPACE PROPERTY OR SPACE RELATED NEEDS, INCLUDING FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT LEAD TO MORE SUSTAINABILITY, LIKE MORE EARNED REVENUE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, SO THE ELIGIBILITY CATEGORIES ARE ARTS FOCUSED NONPROFITS, UH, INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS WITH COMMERCIAL STUDIO SPACES, AND THEN THREE TYPES OF FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR, BOTH A LIVE MUSIC VENUE, PERFORMANCE VENUE THEATER, AND THE MUSEUM ART GALLERY. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO THIS WAS THE SCORING MATRIX THAT WE, WE USED, UM, TO EVERYTHING FROM ACCESS TO SERVICES TO, UH, NEW RECIPIENT SCORING POINTS. 
          UM, ALL OF THIS WAS ON OUR WEBSITE, ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION TO REMIND FOLKS WHAT THEY, UM, WHAT, WHAT THEY NEEDED TO PRIORITIZE AS THEY WERE FILLING OUT THEIR APPLICATIONS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, THE GRANT APPLICATION WAS OPEN THROUGH, UM, JANUARY 24TH THROUGH MARCH 22ND, 2023. 
          AND ALL 161, UH, SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS, WHICH WAS AN INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, ITERATION OF THE PROGRAM IN 2021, UH, OR 2020. 
          IT'S ALL A BLUR NOW. 
          UH, I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 85 SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS. 
          SO THIS WAS A GOOD, UM, INCREASE THAT WE WANTED TO SEE. 
          SO NEXT STEPS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          UH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, NEXT STEPS IS THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATION AND SCORING, UH, BOTH WITH ED D STAFF AND ALSO WITH THE AUSTIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHO WILL LOOK AT EVERYTHING, CHECK EVERYTHING OVER, ESPECIALLY, UH, RELATED TO LEASES, MAKING SURE THAT 30% OF BASE LEASES REFLECTED IN THE AWARD. 
          SO IT'S JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING. 
          UM, AND JUST AS, AS A REMINDER, THE GRANTS ARE AWARDED ON A COMPETITIVE BASIS, UH, BASED ON THE SCORING, UH, MATRIX THAT WE JUST SHOWED YOU. 
          SO WE'RE JUST, DO, JUST GOING AS QUICKLY AS, AS WE CAN TO DO THE EVALUATIONS WHILE ALSO, UM, WORKING ON THE LIVE MUSIC FUND EVENT PROGRAM, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. 
          UH, AND SO THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE, UH, GETTING TO AN AWARDS LIST, LIKE IN A LIST OF AWARDEES FOR YOU, FOR EVERYONE TO SEE AND, UH, GET AGREEMENTS EXECUTED. 
          SO, ANY QUESTIONS AROUND CREATIVE SPACE OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT TILL THE END OF THE WHOLE PRESENTATION? LET'S, LET'S DO THE WHOLE THING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          LIVE MUSIC FUND EVENT PROGRAM. 
          AS YOU KNOW, THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2019 BY COUNCIL AND MAYOR, THE FIRST OF ITS KIND CULTURAL FUNDING PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          I'LL GO QUICKLY THROUGH THESE SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET MORE TO THE APPLICATION NUTS AND BOLTS. 
          SO THE PROGRAM PURPOSE IS TO CREATE PROJECTS THAT FALL WITHIN OUR PI GUIDELINES. 
          IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, SO THAT IS PRESERVATION, INNOVATION AND ELEVATION AND COLLABORATION. 
          IT'S THE PI PRINCIPLES OF OUR GRANT GUIDELINES. 
          SO WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS THAT. 
          UH, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE FUNDING THAT WE'RE PRIORITIZING DOES FOCUS ON EQUITY, RACIAL EQUITY, AND DIVERSITY WITHIN THE AUSTIN MUSIC COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT'S PRESERVATION, INNOVATION, AND ELEVATION COLLABORATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, SO PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN ELIGIBILITY. 
          UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN. 
          IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONLY IN AUSTIN. 
          PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS, UH, SOMEWHERE ELSE COMING HERE. 
          THAT'S FINE, AS LONG AS THEY LIVE WITHIN THE MSA AND THEIR PROJECTS ARE TAKING PLACE WITHIN THE E T J, WHICH IS THE EXTRA TER UH, EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. 
          I ALWAYS GET THAT MESSED UP. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, SAME THING WITH INDEPENDENT PROMOTER. 
          A SMALL, UH, SMALL GROUPS THREE OR LESS, INCLUDING THE OWNER. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS WITHIN AUSTIN THAT PROMOTE EVENTS THROUGHOUT SEVERAL VENUES ACROSS TOWN. 
          AND SO THIS IS TO HELP, UH, THAT PARTICULAR ELIGIBILITY GROUP. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, THESE ARE THE DEFINITIONS. 
          ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS ON OUR WEBSITE, UH, UNDER THE GRANT GUIDELINES SECTION. 
          SO PLEASE GO AND CHECK IT OUT THERE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, THE FISCAL, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR 2023, WE HAVE A 3.5 MILLION BUDGET FOR AWARDS. 
          UM, IT'S EITHER 5,000 OR $10,000. 
          UH, SO YOU HAVE TO CHO CHOOSE AND PROVIDE A BUDGET THAT REFLECTS THAT CHOICE. 
          UH, AND THIS 
          [01:15:01]
WAS A DECISION MADE BY THE MUSIC COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS MORE AWARDS ON MORE PEOPLE. 
          UM, THEY'RE PAID OVER UP TO 12 MONTHS AS A GRANT AGREEMENT. 
          UH, THE FIRST DISBURSEMENT WILL BE 50% UPFRONT SO THAT, UH, UM, AWARDEES CAN START CONFIRMING THEIR PROJECTS. 
          CUZ YOU KNOW, WE WANNA AVOID THE CATCH 22. 
          THAT'S HARD TO CONFIRM SOMETHING IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY. 
          UH, SO THE NEXT, UH, 40% WILL BE AFTER A, UM, PROGRESS REPORT IS SUBMITTED. 
          AND YOU ALSO JUST SHOW US, EXPLAINED TO US HOW THE FIRST 50% WAS PAID FOR. 
          AND THEN THE LAST 10%, SAME THING, FINAL REPORT. 
          JUST GIVE US SOME DATA AND WE'LL CLOSE OUT THE AGREEMENT WITH THE FINAL 10% PAYMENT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO THESE ARE THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES, AGAIN, LISTED WITHIN ON THE, ON THE WEBPAGE, LIVE MUSIC ON A, YOU GO TO ATX MUSIC.ORG AND CLICK ON LIVE MUSIC FUND. 
          UH, AGAIN, THESE ARE THE SAME TYPES OF ELIGIBLE EXPENSES YOU SEE ACROSS CULTURAL FUNDING PROGRAMS AS PART OF THE STATE OF TEXAS REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          OUR SCORING, SCORING CRITERIA IS LISTED HERE, EVERYTHING FROM ACCESS TO SERVICES, AGAIN, PRESERVATION, INNOVATION, ELEVATION, AND COLLABORATION, AS WELL AS 10 POINTS FOR YOUR PROJECT BUDGET. 
          BOTH THE PROJECT BUDGET AND THE MARKETING TEMPLATE ARE DOWNLOADABLE FROM OUR WEBSITE AND, UH, SHOULD BE FILLABLE, UH, FOR FOLKS. 
          AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS. 
          I'LL GET TO THAT TO THE NEXT, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, OH, HERE'S JUST ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU WILL WANT TO, WE WANT TO SEE, UH, FROM THE APPLICANTS FOR, TO CONFIRM THEIR ELIGIBILITY AS EITHER A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN OR AN INDEPENDENT PROMOTER. 
          AND THEN NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS ALL THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'VE ANSWERED AS PART OF THE GRANT APPLICATION. 
          AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT EVENTS AND PROJECTS WILL NOT BE CONFIRMED YET. 
          IT'S VERY HARD TO GET EVERYTHING CONFIRMED. 
          SO JUST GIVE US YOUR PROPOSED IDEAS FOR, UM, YOUR EVENTS AND YOUR PROJECTS. 
          AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT AS, I'M GONNA HAVE A NEW COLLABORATOR TO HIGHLIGHT THIS PARTICULAR GENRE. 
          AND WE'RE HOPING TO WORK WITHIN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT SOMEWHERE. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS OUR GOAL. 
          THIS IS OUR PLAN. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT CONFIRMED, WE WILL PROVIDE ASSISTANCE AND MENTORSHIP TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY REALIZED AS PI PROJECTS. 
          WE WANNA SEE THE ELEMENTS OF PI WITHIN THE FINAL PROJECTS. 
          SO AS LONG AS THE SCOPE OF THE FINAL PROJECTS FIT WITHIN WHAT WAS PROPOSED, THAT IS OKAY. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          ERICA, WILL YOU JUST, UH, REPEAT WHAT PIE STANDS FOR THE ACRONYMS? YES, BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A ONE PRESERVATION EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO, PRESERVATION, INNOVATION, AND ELEVATION AND COLLABORATION. 
          AND SO THESE ARE THE THREE PILLARS THAT THE MUSIC COMMISSION, UM, RECOMMENDED TO HAVE, UH, ALL LIVE MUSIC FUND PROGRAMS BE BASED IN PI, WHICH IS TO TRULY PRIORITIZE MAKING OUR MUSIC INDUSTRY MORE REFLECTIVE OF THE AUSTIN HISTORY, THE CULTURE, AND TO MAKE IT AS DIVERSE AS WE KNOW THAT IT IS. 
          AND, UH, SO IT'S, UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE WORKED WITH THE MUSIC COMMISSION OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZE PI. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE OUT THERE. 
          SO THE GRANT APPLICATION IS OPEN FROM LAST TUESDAY, APRIL 4TH THROUGH MAY 16TH. 
          SO FAR, UH, 377 APPLICATIONS HAVE STARTED, 63 APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED. 
          NOW, THIS IS WHERE I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOME CONFUSION OUT THERE. 
          PLEASE APPLY AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLD. 
          THIS WILL DELETE ABOUT SEVEN SECTIONS OF QUESTIONS AROUND BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS THAT ARE JUST NOT NECESSARY. 
          AND SO THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL LEARN FROM FOR THE NEXT APPLICATION TO MAKE IT MORE SIMPLE. 
          SO PLEASE APPLY AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLD. 
          IF YOU'VE STARTED AN APPLICATION ALREADY AND YOU, YOU, UH, PICKED SOLE ENTRE, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE A SOLE, ANOTHER CATEGORY, THAT'S OKAY. 
          YOU CAN JUST SAVE WHERE YOU'RE AT, GO USE THE PREVIOUS BUTTON IN THE APPLICATION, GO PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS BACK TO THE APPLY PAGE, AND THEN APPLY AS AN INDEPENDENT, AS AN, UH, INDIVIDUAL OR HOUSEHOLD. 
          IT WILL SAVE ALL YOUR WORK AND IT WILL, UM, ELIMINATE MANY, MANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE JUST NOT NECESSARY. 
          UM, SO WE WILL HAVE VIRTUAL OFFICE HOURS EVERY TUESDAY, EVERY THURSDAY, STARTING AT TWO O'CLOCK FROM TWO TO FOUR THROUGH THE APPLICATION WINDOW, SO THROUGH MAY 16TH. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, JUST PLEASE COME TO OUR, OUR FIRST OFFICE HOURS, WHICH IS THIS MONDAY AT TWO O'CLOCK. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S IT, ERIC. 
          YEAH. 
          REAL QUICK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UM, THE SOLO, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, SO APPLY FOR A SINGLE HOUSEHOLD MM-HMM. 
           PERIOD. 
          SO EVEN IF THEY HAVE LIKE A SINGLE MEMORY LLC. 
          OR A LLC OR ANYTHING, ANY OF THAT STUFF. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, IF, CUZ THE QUESTIONS ARE COMPLICATED, IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, AND ANSWER THAT, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT WE STILL WOULD PREFER THAT YOU, EVERYONE IS CONSISTENTLY APPLYING WITH THE SAME APPLICATION 
          [01:20:01]
FOR EQUITY PURPOSES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN AS WE LOOK, AS WE GO FORWARD AND PORTAL, WE, CUZ WE, THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU COULD HAVE FIVE LLCS, ONE FOR EACH BAND. 
          AND SO IF YOU ARE A LEAD FOR THIS PARTICULAR LLC THAT'S FOR THIS PARTICULAR BAND, YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS A CERTAIN WAY AND THE QUESTIONS JUST AREN'T SET UP WITH THAT IN MIND FROM A MUSIC INDUSTRY PERSPECTIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, IT FEELS MORE LIKE QUESTIONS YOU WOULD ASK A NONPROFIT OR A CORPORATION WITH A CORPORATE BOARD. 
          AND VERY, THERE ARE SOME BANDS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE GOVERNANCE LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THOSE ARE BANDS THAT ARE TOURING AROUND THE WORLD AND MAKE LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO APPLIES SINGLE HOUSEHOLD. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AS AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S LIKE INDIVIDUAL SLASH HOUSEHOLD. 
          WE'LL GET ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED, ALL OF THE SCORING COMPONENTS ARE THERE, AND THEN WE'LL BE WORKING WITH OUR THIRD PARTY, UH, TO BE SURE THAT THE CHECKS ARE WRITTEN TO THE CORRECT PLACE. 
          SO IF YOU NEED THE CHECK WRITTEN TO THE LLC, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT FOR TAX PURPOSES. 
          AND SO WE'LL WORK WITH OUR THIRD PARTY TO BE SURE THAT EACH, UM, AWARDEE KNOWS, UH, WHERE THEIR MONEY'S COMING, WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO. 
          SO ERICA, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLD APPLIES WHETHER YOU ARE APPLYING AS A MUSICIAN OR AN INDEPENDENT PROMOTER, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER CASES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, SUSSES THAT OUT FOR US. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          QUICKLY, I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED, UH, BY COMMISSIONER MAHO FROM MUSIC MM-HMM. 
          , UH, REMOTELY. 
          AND COMMISSIONER GRAY FROM ARTS IS HERE IN THE ROOM WITH US. 
          HI. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          THE FIRST TIME I HEAR ABOUT THIS. 
          GREAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY FOR MY NOISE, SO I'M JUST SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE FUNDED SO MANY. 
          SO I'M WONDERING HOW MANY OF THEM ARE WITH THE ASIAN MUSIC GENRE? SO WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THE APPLICATION IS CLOSED. 
          SO, I MEAN, IN THE PAST, OH, UM, I'LL HAVE TO GET THAT DATA FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WE HAD AUSTIN MUSIC DISASTER RELIEF GRANT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE ASKED ABOUT GENRE FOR THAT PARTICULAR GRANT, BUT WE DID COLLECT DEMOGRAPHICS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO IF YOU GO TO ATX FOR COVERS.COM AND THEN CLICK FOR THE ON THE ACCORDION FOR CREATIVE INDUSTRIES, THERE WILL BE A DATA DASHBOARD FOR EACH OF THOSE PROGRAMS. AND IT DOES PROVIDE YOU THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF, UH, OF ALL THE APPLICANTS AS WELL AS AWARDEES TO FOLLOW UP, UM, BECAUSE OF THE GROWING ASIAN POPULATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I HAVE BEEN, AS YOU KNOW, RUNNING THE ASIAN-AMERICAN CULTURE CENTER. 
          I'VE BEEN ASKED ABOUT HOW, WHERE CAN WE HEAR SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPE OF, I THINK MUSIC IS A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          YOU KNOW, I TELL MY COMMUNITY OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRIBUTE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE THIS PICTURE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I WELCOME, I, I WELCOME THE INFORMATION AND I WILL PASS ON MM-HMM. 
           TO, TO MY COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY WILL, MANY OF THEM ARE ACCLAIMED PROFESSIONALS MM-HMM. 
           FROM THEIR OLD COUNTRY. 
          AND I THINK MY, ONE OF MY DREAM IS TO, TO HAVE THE WESTERN AND THE EASTERN STRING STRING INSTRUMENT MM-HMM. 
           TO PLAY TOGETHER. 
          I THINK IT WILL BE JUST AMAZING. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND I THINK I'M GOING TO ASK THEM TO REACH OUT TO YOU YES, PLEASE. 
          AND THEN TO ATTEND, UH, MAYBE THE TUESDAY AND THURSDAY. 
          IT'S MONDAY AND MONDAY AND THURSDAY. 
          MONDAY AND THURSDAY, SO THAT THEY CAN EXPLORE YES. 
          AND LEAVE THE POSSIBILITY. 
          AND THERE'RE LINKS TO THOSE MEETINGS ON OUR WEBPAGE FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND EVENT PROGRAM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S, YOU CAN GO TO ATX MUSIC.ORG. 
          UM ORG, CLICK ON LIVE MUSIC FUND. 
          I'LL GET YOU ALL THE INFORMATION. 
          AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, ALSO THERE IS A PART OF THE APPLICATION THAT ASKS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR OTHER PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH COULD BE MUSIC, PROCLAMATIONS, THE STREET PERFORMANCE PROGRAM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE PAY ARE STANDARD RATE OF PAY OF $200 PER HOUR PER MUSICIAN. 
          AND SO IF THEY CLICK YES, THEN WE ASK YOU A BUNCH OF INFORMATION AROUND, UH, GENRE AND WHAT TYPES OF EVENTS DO YOU WANNA PLAY? DO YOU NEED AMPLIFICATION, DO YOU NOT? UH, SO THAT WE GET THAT INTO OUR DATABASE, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE A GOOD DEMOCRATIC FIELD OF FOLKS TO CHOOSE FROM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS. 
           THE SLIDES ARE GOING REALLY FAST FOR ME KNOW, I'M SORRY, . 
          BUT, UM, OH. 
          SO WHO IS REVIEWING THE APPLICATIONS, IF YOU CAN TOUCH ON THAT QUICKLY, SINCE THAT'S BEEN A HOT TOPIC WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION. 
          SURE. 
          SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY BROUGHT ON A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE LONG CENTER. 
          THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL EVALUATION AND SCORING AND, UH, WILL BRING ON A SUBCONTRACTOR IF THEY NEED TO WITHIN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY TO ASSIST IN THAT EFFORT, BOTH IN CONFIRMING ELIGIBILITY AND ALSO JUST MAKING SURE THE DOCUMENTS ARE UPLOADED TO EVIDENCE, THE TYPE OF CONCEPTS THAT WANNA BE, THAT THE APPLICANTS WANT FUNDED. 
          AND SO THAT WILL BE, THEY'LL BE BROUGHT ON, UM, FOR THE NEXT PHASE, 
          [01:25:01]
UH, VERY SOON. 
          I JUST WANT, UH, WANNA ASK WHY HAS THAT BEEN A HOT TOPIC FOR THE ARTS COMMISSION? OH, CUZ IT'S, IT'S BEEN PART OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN WITH THE THRIVE APPLICATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          JUST THE PANELISTS, THE, THE REVIEWERS. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE APPLICATIONS AND THAT DECISION PROCESS. 
          AND AFTER THE APPLICATION CLOSES, WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND TIME FOR, UH, APPLICANTS TO BE NOTIFIED MM-HMM. 
           OF THE STATUS OF THEIR APPLICATION? WELL, THIS IS A, AGAIN, A FIRST OF ITS KIND PROGRAM FOR MUSIC. 
          AND WE NEED TO, BASED ON HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WE SEE COMING IN AND KNOWING THAT WE HAD 3,200 APPLICATIONS FOR AWESOME MUSIC DISASTER RELIEF GRANT, WHICH WAS THE SAME ELIGIBILITY AROUND, UH, PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN. 
          WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET. 
          WE JUST, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT AS, AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE FOR THE LONG CENTER TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT OUR PROGRAM, WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE PANELISTS THAT EVALUATE AND GIVE A RANGE THAT HAVE A CHOICE OF A RANGE OF SCORE. 
          YOU ANSWER A CERTAIN WAY, IT'S A, SO IT'S A MULTIPLE CHOICE AND IT'S A SCORE ASSOCIATED WITH IT IF IT'S BACKED UP. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY A QUEUE OF HIGHEST TO LOWEST, YOU KNOW, HIGHEST DOWN TO THE LOWEST AND WILL SELECT THAT WAY. 
          UH, SO THERE IS NO SUBJECTIVITY. 
          IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT AND NARROW, YOU KNOW, UH, PRETTY, YOU KNOW, UH, TRANSPARENT OF HOW THE SCORES ARE GENERATED. 
          YOU'LL PRETTY MUCH KNOW AFTER YOU DO YOUR APPLICATION IF HOW YOU ANSWERED AND IF YOU PUT ALL YOUR APPLICATION MATERIALS THERE, LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE, YOU'LL KNOW YOUR SCORE. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
           DID, DID YOU? I, I, I, I'LL LET LAUREN GO. 
          OKAY. 
           FIRST. 
          UH, ALL BACK. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS MM-HMM. 
          , UH, JUST, UM, AS QUESTIONS COME UP YES. 
          IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, SO THAT I CAN MAYBE HELP ANSWER THINGS. 
          UM, SO THE COLLABORATION PIECE MM-HMM. 
          , SO IF YOU WERE APPLYING FOR THIS AND SAY YOU HAD, UM, SAY YOU'RE AN INDIVIDUAL MUSICIAN AND YOU HAD AN IDEA FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO COLLABORATE WITH A COUPLE OTHER MUSICIANS ON, UM, WOULD THE PROCESS BE THAT YOU WOULD JUST KIND OF CHOOSE ONE PERSON TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THE APPLICATION AND THEN THE OTHER PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE, LISTED IN THE DOCUMENTATION? OR WOULD EACH OF THOSE PEOPLE APPLY? SO I, I WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW THE COLLABORATION PIECE WORKS IN, IN PRACTICALITY MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER KIND OF PRACTICAL PIECE IS, I KNOW THE, THE TIMELINE IS, IS KIND OF FLUID AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF LIKE, KNOWING WHEN PEOPLE WILL FIND OUT AND STUFF. 
          SO IF SOMEONE'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THEY WANNA PLAN THEIR EVENT MM-HMM. 
          , AND APOLOGIES IF WE'VE COVERED THIS BEFORE, BUT, UH, JUST TO REITERATE, UM, WHEN SHOULD PEOPLE BE THINKING ABOUT LIKE, OKAY, I WANNA, I WANNA DO AN EVENT IN THE FALL, MAYBE THAT'S TOO SOON, IF I WANNA DO AN EVENT IN THE SPRING. 
          IS THAT LIKE, WHAT, WHAT TIME OF YEAR SHOULD PEOPLE BE, BE THINKING ABOUT FOR THEIR PROJECTS? SO FOR THE FIRST QUESTION AROUND COLLABORATION, SO, UM, AGAIN, ONLY ONE LEAD FROM A BAND CAN APPLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A GREATER WHOLE. 
          SO LET'S SAY, UM, THE IDEA IS A NEW CULTURAL FESTIVAL FOR A PARK FACILITY OR SOMETHING. 
          AND SO YOU COULD HAVE ONE LEAD BAND, UH, YOU KNOW, APPLY FOR A, A SECTION OF THE EXPENSES, SAY WE'RE GONNA PAY ALL OF THE TALENT AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE LEAD WITH THAT. 
          AND OUR COLLABORATORS ARE THIS, THIS GROUP AND THIS GROUP AND THIS GROUP. 
          AND THEN AT, AND SO THEN THE OTHER GROUPS ALSO APPLY. 
          WE'RE GONNA APPLY FOR THIS FESTIVAL IN THIS PARK, AND WE'RE TAKING LEAD ON ALL THE MERCHANT MARKETING AND OUR COLLABORATORS ARE THIS GROUP, IN THIS GROUP. 
          SO WE'LL CROSS REFERENCE THAT THAT IS OKAY. 
          UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO EXPENSES THAT DOUBLE DIP AND OTHERWISE THEY DON'T CROSS OVER, WE CAN'T PAY FOR THE SAME THING TWICE. 
          THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO EITHER LEVERAGE THAT WITH A GROUP, COME TOGETHER, CONCEIVE YOUR CO YOUR, YOU KNOW, APPLICATIONS TOGETHER. 
          MAYBE THE PROJECT BUDGET IS THE FULL PROJECT BUDGET. 
          YOU'RE LIKE, BUT WITH OUR FIVE, OUR 5,000 OR 10,000, WE'RE TAKING THIS PART OF THE, UH, OF THE EXPENSES. 
          AND THERE'S A COLUMN THERE FOR YOU TO DO THAT. 
          SO YOU WOULD, AS LONG AS WE SEE THAT THE EXPENSES OR DIFFERENT EXPENSE CATEGORIES WERE TOTALLY COOL. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS AROUND, I'M SORRY, TIMELINE FOR THE EVENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I THINK WE'D BE SAFE WITH, UH, SUMMER, SUMMER STARTING THIS SUMMER. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE HAVE 12 MONTHS SUMMER 22, NO, THIS SUMMER. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT PROBABLY THIS SUMMER, CUZ AGREEMENTS WILL START AS SOON AS WE HAVE, WE'LL GET THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEN WE'LL GET THROUGH THE EVALUATION, GET THE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE AS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE THAT AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO IF YOU WANTED TO BE SUPER SAFE, YOU COULD, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HOT IN AUSTIN AND MAYBE YOU DON'T WANNA GET YOUR PROJECT STARTED AT A, AT 
          [01:30:01]
A PARK, YOU KNOW, IN JULY, UH, SAFELY START IN, UH, YOU KNOW, SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. 
          AND THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT IT BEING THIS FISCAL YEAR, THESE ARE THE FISCAL YEAR GUIDELINES AND FUNDING, BUT IT CAN GO INTO NEXT YEAR. 
          THAT'S COOL THOUGH. 
          SOONER THAN I EXPECT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, AND I THINK TO BE SAFE FOR ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS, WHY DON'T WE JUST SHOOT FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, FALL, YOU KNOW, LATE SUMMER FALL. 
          UM, UM, GO. 
          WELL, I'LL, I'LL LET, UH, SOMEONE ELSE HAS THEIR HAIR UP. 
          I'LL, I'LL LET THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER KAA. 
          UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, UH, GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          AS I'M READING THROUGH THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHETHER YOU'RE A PROMOTER OR MUSICIAN, YOU CAN LIVE IN, UH, ONE OF THE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 COUNTIES SURROUNDING AUSTIN, RANGING FROM CALDWELL TO WILLIAMSON, ET CETERA. 
          BUT THE PERFORMANCE, UM, OR A PROJECT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN COUNCIL DISTRICT. 
          SO THEY, THE, IT'S THE EJ, SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE DISTRICT'S PLUS SOME. 
          SO IT'S THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. 
          AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK UP DRESSES ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          WE HAVE LINKS TO BOTH, DO I LIVE IN THE MSA OR WHERE DO I LIVE IN THE MSA, AS WELL AS LIKE, UM, A LOOK UP FOR THE EJ AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          THE, UM, I AM, I'M SO IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THE CULTURAL ARTS, UM, COMMISSION IS DOING AND, AND THE STAFF, THE CITY OF AUSTIN STAFF AS WELL AS, UM, YOUR TEAM ERICA, AND AS WELL AS THE MUSIC COMMISSIONS, ARE WE SHARING THIS, THESE ENGINES, IF YOU WILL, OUR WEBSITES WITH THE LOCAL COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, UH, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THESE ARE SUCH ROBUST PROGRAMS THAT OTHER COUNTIES MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE, TAKE SOMETHING FROM OUR LEAD MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I ALSO THINK THAT THEY'RE, THEY COULD HELP MARKET THIS PROGRAM TO THE MUSICIANS THAT ARE LIVING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AS LONG AS THEY'RE PERFORMING IN OUR, UH, ET E E T J. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND OR CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, I'LL CHECK IN WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, UH, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT DIRECT OUTREACH IS. 
          MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT THERE ARE FOLKS LIKE, ON A DISTRIBUTION LIST, BUT I THINK THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT ONE-ON-ONE REACHING OUT, SAY, YOU KNOW, AND STARTING TO BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITHIN THOSE COUNTIES IS CRUCIAL. 
          UM, AND SO WE ALSO, UM, WE'RE SPREADING THE WORD TOO, JUST THROUGH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY GROUPS. 
          WE DID HAVE A MEDIA TOOLKIT AVAILABLE WITH ASSETS AND COPY FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE, UM, AS WELL. 
          SO WE STILL HAVE THAT HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH, UM, ANY OTHER GROUPS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO START SPREADING THE WORD. 
          SO JUST LET US KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HAPPY TO HELP. 
          HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, IN TERMS OF PERHAPS KNOWING, UM, SOME SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS OR JUST EVEN TAKING A MEETING WITH SOME OF THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MM-HMM. 
          , THEY MAY, IT, IT, IT'S A, IT IT'S AN INCREDIBLE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE AND IT'S A GREAT, YOU KNOW, ENGINE MACHINE TO SHARE WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, COUNTIES. 
          SO, BRAVO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SOMEONE ELSE HAVE, HAVE A, JUST KNOCK IT OUT. 
          . 
          OH NO, LOOK, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS. 
          I'M, I, I WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO TALK TOO. 
          IT'S, I JUST, UH, I WAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS CORRECT OR ANYTHING, BUT I WAS APPROACHED BY, UH, SOME PEOPLE FROM HAYES COUNTY MM-HMM. 
          , WHO ACTUALLY DO EVENTS IN BUTTA, BETA FEST AND ALL THAT. 
          UH, CAN, CAN I TALK TO THEM OR DO I NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OR, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THEM? NO, YOU CAN AS, AS Y'ALL'S ROLES AS COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD, YOU KNOW. 
          YES. 
          TALK, TALK IT UP AS FAR AND WIDE AS YOU CAN. 
          JUST AS LONG AS THE PROJECTS HAVE TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION MM-HMM. 
           AROUND THE CITY. 
          UM, IT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY LIVE WITHIN THE FIVE COUNTY METRO STATISTICAL, WHAT IS IT? YOU JUST SAID IT. 
          YEAH. 
          METRO METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA. 
          THEY'RE ELIGIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          INCLUDED. 
          YES. 
          JUST A NOTE, MAKE SURE YOU USE YOUR MICS CUZ I DON'T THINK PEOPLE IN TV LAND CAN HEAR US IF WE'RE NOT ON MIC. 
          SO JUST TRY AND MAKE IT LIVE IF YOU ARE SPEAKING. 
          YEAH, I'LL ASK MY QUESTION NOW. 
          UH, SO FOR, FOR THE ARTS COMMISSION, GOING BACK TO THE HOT, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M, I'M GOING BACK TO THE HOT BUTTON ISSUE, TOPIC THING. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE DIS UH, OR DIS HAVE DISCUSSED THAT OR WHATEVER. 
          DO YOU ALL USE THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATORS FOR LIKE, YOUR GRANTS AND ALL THAT STUFF? OR IS IT SOMETHING YEAH, THEY'LL BE, THEY'RE ALSO ROPED INTO OUR BIG CONTRACT. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL BE THRIVE. 
          [01:35:01]
WE USED, WE RECRUITED PANELISTS AND IT'S DONE PIECE, PIECE BY PIECE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE WORK STILL CAN WORK WITH PANELISTS JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW. 
          BUT THE THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD BE THE LONG CENTER. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE CAPACITY OF THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF IT'S A SMALLER GRANT AND WE CAN DO THINGS IN HOUSE, WE CHOOSE TO DO SO, BUT WITH SOMETHING LIKE ELEVATE WHERE WE'LL HAVE 200 RECIPIENTS MM-HMM. 
           IN ORDER FOR MONEY TO ACTUALLY GET OUT THE DOOR IN AN EXPEDIENT WAY, WE'RE WORKING ALSO WITH THE LONG CENTER. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO WHERE'S THE HOT BUTTON THING COME FROM IT? I WANNA AVOID KIND OF FEEDING INTO, UM, UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF RESPON AND WELCOMED CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK. 
          THERE WERE CONCERNS AROUND WHO THE PANELISTS WERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BASED ON DEMOGRAPHIC AND INDUSTRY. 
          AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE PANEL, PARTICULARLY THERE BEING REP, UM, ADEQUATE REPRESENTATION OF ALL CULTURES. 
          AND THEN, UM, ACTUALLY HAVING A VISUAL ARTIST ON THE PANEL, THERE WAS, UH, A CONCERN OR A MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT WE HAD A VISUAL ARTIST ON THE PANEL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOT BUTTON, IT WAS THE BACK AND FORTH COMMUNICATION AND CONCERNS. 
          BUT, UH, AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED DIRECTLY. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND CORRECTED. 
          OH. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          I'M SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I, SECOND QUESTION, UH, SINCE WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME ROOM, UM, SHA MR. ERICA, CAN YOU, UM, KIND OF EXPLAIN HOW, UM, WE GOT TO THE LIVE MUSIC FUND? LIKE AS FAR AS LIKE MM-HMM. 
          , THE, THE FUNDS FROM SOUP TO NUTS KIND OF THING? YEAH. 
          SO ACTUALLY IF YOU GO TO THE WEBPAGE FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND EVENT PROGRAM, AND AT THE BOTTOM IS THE TIMELINE FROM 2019 ALL THE WAY TO NOW. 
          AND IT, IT PROVIDES LINKS TO EACH MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING, EACH ITERATION OF THE GUIDELINES, HOW IT EVOLVED, THE MU THE DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS THAT WERE CREATED BY THE MUSIC COMMISSION TO LOOK AT CERTAIN AREAS. 
          SO YOU CAN REALLY USE THAT TIMELINE TO LIKE WALK THROUGH OUR PROCESS AND BE THERE AND WATCH THE MEETINGS AS THEY UNFOLDED AND SEE THE EVOLUTION TAKE PLACE IN REAL TIME JUST BY WALKING THROUGH THAT TIMELINE. 
          BECAUSE THIS WAS TRULY A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EXPERIENCE, NOT BETWEEN STAFF WITH THE MUSIC COMMISSION AND WITH COMMUNITY. 
          UH, WE TOOK SURVEYS, COUNTLESS MEETINGS, AND THERE WERE LOTS OF EVOLUTIONS TO GUIDELINES BASED ON ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK. 
          AND SO WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THESE GUIDELINES, UH, REPRESENTING WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT YOU GUYS, UM, PROMOTED. 
          AND SO IT'S, UH, SO I WOULD PLEASE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO CHECK THAT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. 
          UM, SO THE, THE MONEY FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND COMES FROM HOT FUNDS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           HOT FUNDS ARE THEN BASICALLY FUNNELED INTO CULTURAL ART. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OVER THE YEARS AND WE'RE THE LATEST ALLOCATION, UM, THAT IS 2% OF 3%. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT WE HAVE HAVE OTHER FOLKS HERE THAT HAVE IT LIKE ALMOST TATTOOED ON THEIR BODIES. 
          OKAY. 
           PRETTY MUCH. 
          SO, UH, WE GET THAT PERCENTAGE, UH, IT'S THE LATEST PERCENTAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OUT OF ALL OF THE CULTURAL ART FUNDS THAT EXIST, WE ARE GETTING 2% OF 3%. 
          NO, NO. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE, I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF FRACTIONS OF A FRACTION. 
          IT'S FRACTIONS OF A FRACTION. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE GET EV ALL OF US. 
          OKAY. 
          WE GET, WE ALL GET FRACTIONS OF A FRACTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          POT TEXT IS A BIG POT. 
          RIGHT. 
          2% OF THAT IS FOR ARTS, CULTURE AND PRESERVATION. 
          AND THEN THAT IS THEN FURTHER DIVIDED. 
          YEAH, RIGHT INTO, INTO MINUTIAE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND UH, ALSO SCOTT, I BELIEVE THERE ARE, THE STATE LEGISLATURE PUTS CAPS ON HOW MUCH OF THE PERCENTAGE CAN GO TO ARTS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND DO YOU, WAS IT SOMETHING LIKE 3% WAS THE CAP? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP. 
          IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE ALSO IN THE STATE AND THE SIZE OF YOUR CITY. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO HOW IT'S, UH, DIVVIED UP. 
          TEXANS FOR THE ARTS HAS A GOOD BREAKDOWN OF THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ON THE WEBSITE. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, YOU CAN. 
          I'VE GOT THE OFFICIAL BREAKDOWN TOO. 
          OH. 
          BUT IT'S A LOT OF DECIMAL POINTS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, AM I GONNA READ IT? AM I WANT IT LIKE AS CREATIVES, WE MIGHT BE LIKE IN FRONT OF US COLOR CODED SO I CAN READ IT IF, IF SO DESIRED. 
          BUT I, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEHOOVE EVERYBODY TO SEE IT VISUALLY AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UM, SO, UM, SO SORRY, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THAT LIMIT, THAT CAP OF 2% IS BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE SEES IT AS A CHARITY, NOT AS AN INDUSTRY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I WOULDN'T GO SO FAR. 
          I THINK THAT MAY BE A EMOTIONAL ASSESSMENT. 
          LIKE THAT'S BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THIS WHAT DRIVES HOT ARTS AND CULTURE, MUSIC, YOU KNOW, THE BRANDING THAT AUSTIN HAS, IT'S ON OUR BACKS. 
          SO I THINK WE DON'T AGREE THAT 2% LIKE AS CONSENSUS. 
          [01:40:01]
RIGHT. 
          AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE ALL TOGETHER HERE IS TO BE ADVOCATING SIDE BY SIDE. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          WE KNOW THAT 2% DOES NOT FEEL ADEQUATE. 
          I'M GONNA LET YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S BECAUSE THE, SOMEBODY AND AT THE STATE AT SOME POINT FELT LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S TIED TO TOURISM. 
          SO THE MUSIC AND CULTURE IS A, IS A DRIVER OF TOURISM. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY. 
          THAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT DRAWING TOURISTS TO DIFFERENT TEXAS CITIES. 
          THIS IS FUNDED THROUGH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND SO THAT THEY SEE THAT AS AN INVESTMENT OBVIOUSLY FOR, UH, DRIVING CULTURE AND ARTS. 
          UM, MEGAN, DO YOU WANNA SHE'S GOT, OH, SHE'S GOT HER, SHE'S GOT HER DECIMAL POINTS TOO. 
          SET. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          HERE. 
          MINE'S WORKING. 
          DOUBLE . 
          MEGAN. 
          OH YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          I'M JUST JUMPING INTO THE CONVERSATION CUZ I, UM, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT SELENA OFFERED IS, IS OUT THERE INTO THE WORLD CORRECTLY. 
          UH, MEGAN WELLS, I'M THE ACTING, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          AND, UH, AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT IS VERY CONFUSING, BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S PERCENTAGES AND, AND PERCENTAGES OF PERCENTAGES AND PERCENTAGES OF PERCENTAGES. 
          SO I JUST WANNA PUT OUT THERE, AND I THINK SELENA WAS MENTIONING THAT WE CAN SEND THIS TO YOU AFTERWARDS AS A VISUAL BECAUSE IT, WE ARE VISUAL PEOPLE, MUSIC INCLUDED, BUT, SO I WANNA JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE MUSIC PORTION FOR THE LIVE MUSIC EVENT FUND COMES FROM THE STATE STATUTE ALLOWING CULTURAL ARTS USAGE. 
          IT'S NOT A SEPARATE PART OF ANYTHING, BUT IT'S PART OF THE 15% THAT THE CITY LEVERAGES FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANT OCCUPANCY TAX THAT'S COLLECTED FROM THE CITY. 
          THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT WHEN THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS EXPANDED, THAT WAS, I THINK, VOTED IN 2019 TO LEVERAGE AN EXTRA AMOUNT. 
          IT WAS A ANOTHER 2 CENTS. 
          AND PART OF THAT GOES TO HERITAGE PRESERVATION BECAUSE THEY GET AN EQUAL 15% OF HOT FUNDS. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER PART OF THAT WENT TO CULTURAL ARTS. 
          NOW THE ADDITIONAL PART DUE TO THE CONVENTION CENTER ARE EXPANSION IS WHAT FUNDS THE LIVE MUSIC EVENT FUND, BUT IT'S LIVE MUSIC FUND. 
          LIVE MUSIC FUND. 
          BUT IT IS TECHNICALLY PART OF THE CULTURAL ARTS FUND WITHIN THE CITY. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MUSIC AND AND ARTS, THEY'RE ALL PART OF ONE FUND THAT WE CALL CULTURAL ARTS IN THE CITY. 
          BUT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, THAT'S WHAT'S FUNDING THE, THE LIVE MUSIC FUND. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S FUNDING THE CULTURAL ARTS PROGRAMS. SO WE'RE LEVERAGING THAT EXTRA 2%, EXTRA 2 CENTS ACTUALLY FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION. 
          AND THAT DOES, SO THAT'S ON TOP OF, THAT'S ON TOP OF THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD GET JUST BECAUSE THE HOT REVENUES COME IN EVERY MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S AN ADDITIONAL PART THAT COMES FROM THAT EXPANSION PROJECT. 
          SO YEAH, BECAUSE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S RELATED TO THE CONVENTION. 
          THE, THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE NOW IS RELATED TO THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION THAT HAPPENED, CORRECT. 
          ALMOST TWO DECADES AGO. 
          AND THEN THAT DEBT WILL BE PAID DOWN IN 20 RECENTLY, JUST RECENTLY THEY VOTED TO EXPAND THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE WAS ORIGINAL EXPANSION, BUT THAT, THAT, THOSE MONEYS HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT YET. 
          SO THE REASON WE'RE ABLE TO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS LIKE THE REASON THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT MONEY NOW IS FUNDS IS BECAUSE THERE IS DEBT BEING PAID ON THE PREVIOUS EXPANSION. 
          I MIGHT, OKAY. 
          MAYBE NOT. 
          YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE USING THE EXTRA FUNDING THAT'S COMING FROM THE 2019 EXPANSION MM-HMM. 
           TO FUND TO THAT GOES INTO THE CULTURAL ARTS FUND TO FUND. 
          SO ONCE THAT WAS VOTED ON MM-HMM. 
          , WELL ACTUALLY, THE, THE CITY DIDN'T EVER VOTE. 
          I MEAN THEY THEY DID, WE DID NOT VOTE ON AN EXPANSION. 
          WE VOTED THEY TO NOT VOTE CITIZEN CITIZENS. 
          BUT THE COUNCIL DID. 
          THE COUNCIL DID. 
          YEAH. 
          THE CITIZENS DIDN'T. 
          SO ONCE THEY VOTED ON THAT, THEN THE STATE'S LIKE, OKAY, GO AHEAD, YOU CAN RAISE. 
          NO, THE STATE STATUTE WAS ALREADY IN PLACE, BUT THAT ALLOWED THE, THAT ALLOWED THE EXPANSION TO BE USED. 
          OKAY. 
          UHHUH  THAT ALLOWED THE, THE 2 CENT EXPANSION, WHICH THEN GAVE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT TO MM-HMM. 
           THE 15%, WHICH WE ARE THEN USING FOR THE LIVE MUSIC EVENT FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          I KNOW IT'S CONFUSING. 
          SO, SO THAT, THAT AMOUNT WOULD'VE ALREADY, SO WHEN, WHEN THEY EXPANDED PREVIOUSLY, THEY WOULD'VE RAISED THE CITY WAS ABLE TO RAISE THEIR HOT COLLECTION AT THAT TIME MM-HMM. 
           AND NOW, AND THEN THEY RAISED IT A SECOND TIME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T GET SO INTO THE WEEDS OF THIS PARTICULAR THIS, BUT LATER TODAY, WE'LL HAPPY TO SEND THIS OUT BECAUSE THERE IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE CENTS AND IT GOES INTO OF THE 7 CENTS, YOU KNOW, WHICH FUNDS GET WHAT MM-HMM. 
          , THE VAST MAJORITY GOES TO THE CONVENTION CENTER FUND. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO AND THAT'S A CITY DECISION. 
          THAT'S NOT THE STATE NECESSARILY? THAT'S THE CITY. 
          THAT'S THE CITY, 
          [01:45:01]
YEAH. 
          DIVIV IT UP. 
          YES, THAT'S THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT OUR PORTION CANNOT EXCEED 15% BY STATE LAW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE ARE, AND WE'RE AT, AND WE ARE AT THE 15% OKAY. 
          FOR BOTH HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND FOR THE CULTURAL ARTS FUND. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          WITHIN THE FINAL REPORTS THAT THE GRANT AWARDEES, UM, ARE SUBMITTING, ARE WE ABLE TO CALCULATE THE ECONOMIC, UH, UH, BENEFIT THAT, UM, THAT THIS SEED MONEY IS PROVIDING, UM, TO LIKE REPORT BACK TO THE POWERS THAT BE TO SAY, HEY, WE INVESTED THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO OUR LOCAL, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL ARTS WORKERS, AND THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GENERATED IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          ARE WE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO GIVE BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT OR TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POWERS THAT BE? YES. 
          SO ONE OF THE, AS PART OF THE BOTH PROGRESS AND FINAL REPORTS, WE ASK ABOUT JOBS SUPPORTED THROUGH THE FUNDING, BOTH FULL-TIME AND CONTRACT. 
          SO WE ASK THAT, WE ALSO ASK CREATIVE LOCATIONS UTILIZED, SO WE'LL KNOW AND WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION OF, YOU KNOW, STATISTICAL INFORMATION OF HOW MANY ARE VENUES, HOW MANY ARE THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEFINITIONS, OR HOW MANY ARE PARKS. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION AROUND, UH, CREATIVE LOCATIONS. 
          AND THEN WE WILL BE ALSO WORKING MORE DILIGENTLY ON ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS THAT ISN'T JUST TEXAS, BUT FOCUSES ON AUSTIN ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THESE INDUSTRIES SEPARATED OUT, WHETHER IT'S ARTS OR MUSIC OR WHATEVER, OF WHAT THE OVERALL IMPACT IS. 
          WHICH IS, IT'S JUST, IT'S HUGE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A HUGE IMPACT. 
          AND SO, YEAH. 
          SO WE WERE GONNA HAVE MORE DATA BEYOND JUST THE STATE DATA THAT WE'VE BEEN DEP, UM, DEPENDING ON, UH, SOME MORE LOCALIZED DATA THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN THE PIPE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SPEAKING OF DATA, I THINK ONE OF THE, UH, SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE MUSIC COMMISSION WAS TO EXPAND THE USERS OF THE FUND, UH, TO, UH, BEYOND LIFE MUSIC PERFORMANCES. 
          WE ALL AGREED, UM, THAT THE FUNDS COULD BE USED FOR A, BY A MUSICIAN TO GO, UM, RECORD IN A STUDIO TO MAKE A VIDEO THAT IS, PROVIDES JUST MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM BENEFIT, UH, FOR A MUSICIAN'S CAREER. 
          AND, UH, HOW THAT ALSO, UH, GIVING ACL IN 1974, I GUESS, UH, HOW THAT PUT AUSTIN ON A MAP. 
          JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW DIFFERENT MEDIA ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO ITS, UH, TOURISM AND BRINGING, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, OR, OR CONTRIBUTE TO ITS AUSTEN'S BRAND. 
          UH, COMING TO DATA, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WOULD BE VERY USEFUL AGAIN, IS, UH, TO COLLECT DATA ON HOW THE FUNDS ARE, UM, GETTING DISTRIBUTED WITHIN THE BROADER ECOSYSTEM, EVEN THOUGH MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S DIRECTLY GOING TO AN INDEPENDENT PROMOTER. 
          IT'S DIRECTLY GOING TO A MUSICIAN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THEY SPENDING THE DOLLARS? IS IT GOING TO A RECORDING ENGINEER? IS IT GOING TO A SOUND ENGINEER? HOW THE MONEY IS GETTING DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE ECOSYSTEM. 
          SO ON THE BACK END OF IT, COLLECTING SOME OF THAT DATA, I THINK WOULD BE, UH, FANTASTIC. 
          YES. 
          SO THE FINAL REPORT, AND THEN WE CAN EVOLVE, UH, THINGS BASED ON WHAT OUTCOMES WE SEE. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          SO THE FINAL REPORT WILL HAVE A LISTING OF LIKE, LITERALLY WHAT DID YOU SPEND IT ON AND WHAT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, EVEN THOUGH, UH, PROJECTS THAT COULD BE LIKE RECORDING AND MERGE AND, AND AND DUPLICATION, THERE STILL HAS TO BE A MARKETING COMPONENT TO IT, TO, TO PROMOTE THE PROJECTS, TO POTENTIAL TOURISTS, POTENTIAL CONVENTION CENTER DELEGATES, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, WE PROMOTE TO EVERYBODY AT ALL TIMES AT ANY TIME, BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT AUDIENCE AND FAN BASE EXPANSION. 
          SO THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THIS GROUP TO MARKET EVERYTHING. 
          EVEN IF IT'S YOU'RE IN THE STUDIO, WE'LL TAKE SOME VIDEO WHILE YOU'RE IN THE STUDIO AND PROMOTE THAT AND SAY, FUTURE RECORD, COME AND COME AND THINK STILL LIVE MUSIC FUND, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          UH, THE GOAL IS TO PROMOTE AUSTIN AS A DESTINATION. 
          MORE PEOPLE COME HERE, STAY AT HOTELS, THE ALLOCATIONS FOR THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX WILL GO UP. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I LOVE THE IDEA, I LOVE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AND JUST THAT WE KNOW THAT THE ARTISTS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE RECEIVING THESE GRANTS, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, BE MINDFUL OF HOW AND OF THEIR RECORDS AND SPENDING THE MONEY. 
          BUT I, I'D, I'D LOVE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OVER THE REVENUE THAT THEY'RE GENERATING IN THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY BE ABLE TO KIND OF, UM, REPORT THAT BACK OF LIKE, THIS IS WHAT AN ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, KNOW MACHINE. 
          THE CULTURAL ARTS INDUSTRY IS IN AUSTIN. 
          UH, AND, AND WE'RE A FORCE. 
          WE'RE A FORCE. 
          AND IT SEEMS THAT, UM, MONEY IS OFTEN THE BEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE HOW IMPORTANT 
          [01:50:01]
THAT IS. 
          BECAUSE I THINK AT SOME POINT IT WAS LIKE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A CHARITABLE THING IS JUST LIKE, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. 
          YOU KNOW? NO, THIS IS BEYOND CHARITABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, UH, SO I LOVE THE PROCESS OF HOW WE CAN HELP ARTICULATE THE POWER THAT WE HAVE IN THE ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT WORLD. 
          AND I, LET ME JUST, UH, MENTION THAT'S WHY OUR PROJECT BUDGET TEMPLATE ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR THE AWARD. 
          IT'S SET UP TO SHOW YOU TICKET SALES, SPONSORSHIP, SALES, YOU KNOW, UNITS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD SELL FANTASTIC. 
          BEYOND JUST YOUR AWARD. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S TO TEACH PEOPLE. 
          CUZ THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED BOTH ON THE MARKETING SIDE AND THE BUDGETING SIDE TO SAY, OKAY, WELL NOW TELL US HOW MANY TICKETS TO SELL TO BREAK EVEN. 
          AND THIS IS BEYOND YOUR AWARD. 
          SO WE WILL, AGAIN, WITH TA ON THE APPLICATION SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT BUDGETS, BUT ALSO AS MENTORSHIP THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE PROJECTS OF CONTINUE TO USE THE PROJECT BUDGET. 
          EVERYONE IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, THERE ARE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE SHOULD ALL FOLLOW SO THAT WE ALL KNOW HOW THIS WORKS SO THAT YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR YOURSELF IF YOU'RE A MUSICIAN OF LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, I NEED A CONTRACT AND THIS IS WHY IN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW MUCH I AM CONTRIBUTING TO THIS OVERALL PROJECT, WHICH IS GOING TO EVIDENCE WHY YOU SHOULD GET PAID A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, GONNA BE PART OF THIS PROCESS IS TO TEACH, UM, APPLICANTS AND AWARDEES, THIS IS HOW THIS REALLY WORKS. 
          AND, AND IF YOU SEE IT ALL ON PAPER, YOU REALIZE, OH WOW. 
          I, I HAVE BEEN LEAVING A LOT OF MONEY ON THE TABLE. 
          AND SO THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO HELP, UH, PEOPLE EARN MORE MONEY AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE I ASK MY QUESTION, AS A DUTIFUL LONGHORN RESEARCHER AND EMPLOYEE AT UT, I WOULD SAY LIKE, THAT WOULD BE AN AMAZING USE OF THE CITY AND UT'S INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO REALLY DIG INTO THAT AND HELP ALL OF US PRODUCE A REPORT, LIKE A VERY RIGOROUS REPORT OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT HOW POWERFUL OUR SECTOR IS TO THE ECONOMY AND MANY OTHER THINGS. 
          THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION THOUGH. 
          UM, I AM WONDERING ABOUT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT LATER ON, BUT WHILE I HAVE BOTH OF YOU SITTING HERE, WHAT ARE OTHER, UM, MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE IN OUR REGION DOING TO SUPPORT ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS? LIKE WE HAVE TO BE THINKING REGIONALLY, AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE THIS, WE KNOW THAT AUSTIN ARTISTS ARE BEING DISPLACED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE PORTABLE. 
          WE KNOW THAT ALL MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO COLLECT HOT AND SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, USING FIF, PUTTING 15%, I I'M NOT GETTING INTO THE NUMBERS AGAIN, , BUT PUTTING SOME AMOUNT INTO SUPPORTING CULTURAL ARTS. 
          AND I, I JUST WONDER IF Y'ALL KNOW WHAT YOUR COUNTERPARTS IN THE REGION ARE DOING. 
          UM, AND THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IS LIKE REALLY PUTTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER ON REGIONAL, UM, COLLABORATION TO, TO GROW THE POT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT YOU MAKE BECAUSE WE ARE, OR AS, AS WE'VE ALREADY EXPANDED BEYOND AUSTIN PROPER AND WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT THE MSA AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING AND, AND ACTUALLY MAKING HAVE TO YEAH. 
          DOING THEIR WORK. 
          IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THEY'VE LEVERAGED THAT PARTICULAR TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , AND AS I SAY, TOOL, I DO WANNA ALSO GIVE A PLUG TO TEXANS FOR THE ARTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S HOT TOOLBOX. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANY MUNICIPALITY CAN USE AND CAN, UM, SORT OF DIG INTO AS A MUNICIPAL, UM, YOU KNOW, POLICY THAT THEY THEN LEVERAGE WITH THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. 
          AND AS PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE AUSTIN REGION, THAT'S ONLY GENERATING MORE FUNDS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          YEP. 
          NOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AT THEIR LOCAL LEVEL. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE, THERE IS THAT ABILITY FOR THEM TO DO THAT. 
          SO CONVERSATIONS CAN BE HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, TEXAS FOR THE ARTS IS, IS ALL ABOUT EXPANDING THAT MM-HMM. 
          , UM, AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF TEXAS FOR THE ARTS, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY OFFER, UM, BUT ALSO IT'S A WAY FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS, LIKE YOU SAID, TO BE HAPPENING ACROSS CITIES. 
          AND THEN WE CAN PROMOTE EACH OTHER'S VALUE. 
          AND AS WE, AS A LOT OF THESE CITIES ARE GAINING, YOU KNOW, CREATIVES WHO LIVE AND WORK MORE REGIONALLY, THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT THE COUNTY CAN BE HAVING THAT OTHER CITIES CAN BE HAVING. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, CROSS POLLINATION ANYWAY. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THOSE POLICY CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAPPENING. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, AS, AS CITY STAFF WOULD DO, BUT, BUT COMMISSIONS, WHICH YOU KNEW ABOUT IT AND THEN RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S AN UNDERTAPPED RESOURCE. 
          YEAH, AGREED. 
          WELL, AND, AND THAT CIRCLES BACK TO WHAT I HAD SAID ABOUT WHERE WE MEET MEETING WITH THESE OTHER COUNTIES BECAUSE AT THIS MOMENT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER THEM FINANCIALLY FOR THEIR ARTISTS THAT LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          BUT IF THEY, THAT MAY BE THE INCENTIVE BEFORE THE MAY, YOU KNOW, FOURTH DEADLINE OR WHATEVER IT IS, UM, SAY LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE THIS GOING ON RIGHT 
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NOW, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS, BUT THIS IS PART AND PARCEL OF THAT BIGGER PICTURE OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, GROWING THE MACHINE AND, AND COLLECTING THAT DATA, UH, ROBUSTLY. 
          SO THAT'S FANTASTIC. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WANNA JUST DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY LOOKING AT THAT TO LOOK AT AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY, UH, AND USING THOSE TOOLS AND RESOURCES ALREADY AT OUR DISPOSAL. 
          AND THAT IS ANOTHER GREAT CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE WITH SURROUNDING GOVERNMENTS, UH, CITY GOVERNMENTS ABOUT, UM, KIND OF LOOKING AT THE IMPACT REGIONALLY, UH, BUT ALSO FOR THE WHOLE STATE. 
          AND NOT JUST ABOUT MUSIC. 
          NOT JUST ABOUT ARTS. 
          IT REALLY IS A COLLECTIVE IMPACT OF THE CREATIVE, CREATIVE INDUSTRIES ON THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT IS, IS HUGE, IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST DRIVERS OF THE ECONOMY IN TEXAS BEYOND, UH, LIKE ENERGY OR IN IN TECH. 
          SO, UH, IF WE COULD JUST HAVE THAT DATA PREPARED FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THAT DATA WHEN WE GO TO THE STATE, WHEN WE GO AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT. 
          AND WE DID MEET MONTHLY WITH TEXAS COUNTY DURING THE PANDEMIC MM-HMM. 
           TO COMPARE NOTES. 
          TRAVIS, TRAVIS COUNTY, WHAT DID I SAY? TEXAS. 
          TEXAS COUNTY. 
          I'M SURE THERE IS. 
          I NEED ONE COPY. 
          I WISH THERE WAS A TEXAS COUNTY, UH, WITH TRAVIS COUNTY, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE BOTH TRYING TO LEVERAGE OUR ARPA DOLLARS AND WE WERE ENCOURAGING THEM TO CONSIDER THE CREATIVE USES FOR THEIR ARPA DOLLARS. 
          NOW I WILL SAY, UH, THE COUNTY MOVES DIFFERENTLY THAN THE CITY, BUT, UH, WE WERE AT LEAST THAT PIPELINE AND THAT CHANNEL WAS OPEN FOR COMMUNICATION AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO REVIVE IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND JUST MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THE PRO PROJECTS. 
          WE'VE, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMS WE'VE LAUNCHED. 
          AGREED. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS EXPANDING AS YOU KNOW, SAMSUNG PLAN AT TAYLOR. 
          I JUST WENT DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, HU AND TAYLOR, THEY'RE PART OF THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND THEY'RE GROWING LIPS AND BOUNDS, AND I THINK THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONERS THERE, THEY'RE REALLY INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M SO GLAD, REALLY GLAD THAT THE CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION IS UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT REALLY, AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A CHARITABLE, UH, GIVING, YOU KNOW, TO OUR ARTISTS BECAUSE THAT IS THE CHARACTER OF OUR CITY, AND THAT'S WHAT AUSTIN SPRINT IS THE CAPITAL LIVE MUSIC CAPITAL. 
          I MEAN, SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE ALREADY MAX AT 15% OF THE FUND, SO I THINK WE CAN LEVERAGE WITH THE, UM, AUSTIN, VISIT AUSTIN MM-HMM. 
           TO MAYBE ASK THEM TO DO MORE OF THE MARKETING WE ARE OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, SO IN A MORE, IN A MORE, HOW SHOULD I PUT IT? BIG WAY, , YOU KNOW, THAT IS, UH, ONGOING, CONSISTENT AND, UH, MUCH MORE CONNECTED EFFORT. 
          AND, AND, AND ALSO, UM, WE NEED, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW YOU SET UP THE SYSTEM TO TO REALLY LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT, TO REALLY HONOR AND APPRECIATE OUR ARTISTS AND HOW THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED, YOU KNOW, TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO HOW CAN THE CITY, BESIDES A HOT FUND, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR GENERAL FUND, WITH THE INCREASE OF THE PROPERTY TAX, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE TAP INTO, UH, PART OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT THE DIRECT, MAYBE NOT THE DIRECT, UH, COMPENSATION TO THE ARTISTS, BUT, BUT THE PRODUCTION PART OF IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT WE CAN DO IT COLLECTIVELY TO SUPPORT OUR ARTISTS MARKETING PROMOTES PROMOTION, AND, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, THE PERFORMING SPACE. 
          WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT AND ALL THE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE HEALTHCARE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, UH, HOUSING, UH, ALL OF THE OTHER, UM, SUPPORT SYSTEM THAT WE CAN USE. 
          THE GENERAL FUND. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME OUR CITY IS PUTTING DOWN SOME GENERAL FUND ITEM, YOU KNOW, UM, AT, AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO REALLY FOCUS ON OUR ARTISTS IN, IN, IN OUR CREATIVE COMMUNITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST, YEAH. 
          SO TWO THINGS. 
          WE DO DEDICATE $60,000 IN OUR CURRENT GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR MUSIC, ENTERTAINMENT TO COMPENSATION FOR, UH, PERFORMANCES. 
          THAT'S OUR PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES PROGRAM. 
          THAT COULD BE MUSIC, UH, COMMISSION MEETINGS, UH, MUSIC PROCLAMATION, STREET PERFORMANCE PROGRAM. 
          PART OF OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST, THAT WAS JUST PROMOTED THOSE FREE COMMUNITY SHOWCASES. 
          AND THAT'S ALL TO PAY THE STANDARD, OUR STANDARD RATE OF $200 
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PER MUSICIAN PER HOUR FOR CITY EVENTS. 
          WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE AIRPORT TOO TO GET THEIR RATES UP. 
          UH, SO THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE ARE LEVERAGING THIS CONCEPT WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, AND THAT IS, THOSE ARE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS BECAUSE I JUST FEEL THAT IT'S A GOOD FOCUS INSTEAD OF LIKE, SAY SPONSORING A EVENT, I'D MUCH RATHER PAY THEM THE, THE MUSICIANS TO PERFORM IN THE EVENT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FOCUSING THOSE DOLLARS NOW. 
          AND JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, ALSO, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 THAT WE INVEST WITH VISIT AUSTIN ON PAID, UH, CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE LIKE NATIONAL PA CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE WITH AN AGENCY. 
          AND THIS IS BEYOND JUST THE ADDITIONAL THINGS WE DO FOR OUR CONTRACTORS. 
          WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE VISIT AUSTIN, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, EVENTS, LISTINGS, AND WE'LL DO DEDICATED E-BLASTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS WITH VISIT AUSTIN. 
          THIS IS AN ACTUAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THEIR MARKETING TEAM AROUND AUSTIN MUSIC VENUES. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE PROMOTING TICKET LINKS IN NEW YORK CITY FOR A SHOW IN AUSTIN. 
          AND SO THAT'S AN ONGOING $100,000, UH, COMMITMENT IN ADDITION TO THE GRANTS. 
          LET'S, UH, SO WE DO HAVE ONE MORE STAFF PRESENTATION. 
          SO I'M GONNA TAKE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER GRAY AND THEN, UH, I HAVE ONE SUPER QUICK ONE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR. 
          IT MIGHT BE WORTH IT, SINCE WE'RE GOING ON TWO HOURS, JUST TAKE LIKE A FOUR MINUTE BIO BREAK TOO, JUST TO GIVE OUR PEOPLE IN THE ROOM A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE GO INTO LAND USE. 
          CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY LONG PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD SUGGESTION. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GRAY. 
          UH, JUST REALLY QUICK ON TWO THINGS. 
          I, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MOCK, BUT I'VE, I'VE SAID IT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, A LINE ITEM BUDGET WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT GOES TOWARDS THINGS. 
          BUT I WANNA ADD TO THAT, THAT WE CAN'T FORGET BECAUSE AUSTIN IS, IS SO OFTEN CALLED THE LIVE MUSIC CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, BUT VISUAL ARTS AND PERFORMING ARTS IN THE CITY ARE JUST AS VITAL MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT. 
          AND I KNOW WE ALL HERE KNOW THAT, UH, NUMBER TWO, I'M GONNA BACK UP CUZ WE WERE, UH, CUZ THE LAST TWO THINGS ON THE AGENDA WERE INVOLVED IN FUNDING. 
          HAS THERE BEEN ANY AD ADVANCED THOUGHTS? IT'S JUST THOUGHT, CUZ I'M THINKING JUST BEING A PERFORMER MYSELF OF PERFORMING ARTS. 
          LET'S JUST SAY, UM, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING, EVERYBODY MAY THINK OF THE SHOW STOMP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , LET'S THINK BODY PERCUSSION. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS THAT SOME OF US MAY DO, JAZZ, TAP, ET CETERA. 
          THERE'S BEEN MOVEMENT ACROSS IN, IN ACADEMIA AND IN PERFORMANCE, WHETHER THAT'S CATEGORIZED AS MUSIC OR PERFORMANCE ART. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY IN COLLABORATION WHEN YOU'RE CROSS-REFERENCING WITHIN THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, ARE Y'ALL THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT CROSS-REFERENCING ELEVATE AND THE, AND THE MUSIC FUND FOR THOSE FOR FUNDING? CERTAINLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO WE JUST WANT FOLKS TO APPLY. 
          I MEAN, IF IT'S YOUR DRAG SHOW, IF IT'S A SHOW THAT IS SPOKEN WORD THAT IS ELIGIBLE YEP. 
          AS PART OF PERFORMANCE. 
          AND SO WE ARE JUST APPLY. 
          I THINK WHAT MY QUESTION RELATED TO IS BEING CAREFUL, UH, OF DOUBLE DIPPING BETWEEN ELEVATE AND LIVE MUSIC. 
          SO JUST AS LONG AS YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I'M ACTUALLY GONNA TOSS MY QUESTION TIME TO LAUREN CUZ I THINK WE'RE THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          I'LL LET YOU WRAP IT UP. 
          NO, NO, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          UM, SO, UH, GOING BACK TO THE LONG CENTER, OUR WONDERFUL THIRD PARTY, UM, ADMINISTRATOR, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY COULD, COULD ALSO, THEY HAD THE OPTION OF HIRING A, A SUBCONTRACTOR TO DO IT. 
          UM, IS THE, WHAT KIND OF TRANSPARENCY IS THERE AROUND THAT PIECE OF THE NOT TO DO THE WORK FOR THEM TO ASSIST THEM? RIGHT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE THEM HIRING SOMEONE TO ASSIST THEM WITH THEIR ROLE. 
          SURE. 
          THEIR ROLE IS TO DO THE, THE VERIFICATION EVALUATION AND SCORING. 
          AND SO IT'S, UM, IT'S PART OF THE CITY CONTRACT IF THEY BRING SUBS ON, THAT IS ALSO, UH, OPEN TO TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS. 
          IT'S CITY DOLLARS PAYING FOR THAT. 
          AND SO WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE LONG CENTER TO ENSURE THAT, AND WE DID THIS ALREADY WITH RELIEF AND RECOVERY, IS THAT ANYTHING THAT THEY DID HAD TO BE TRANSPARENT, JUST LIKE IF IT WERE THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOING IT DIRECTLY. 
          AND SO IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD THAT YOU'RE LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, JUST LET US KNOW AT THE NEXT MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING. 
          AND WE'LL, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS OF LEARNING TOO, BETWEEN US AND THE LONG CENTER. 
          THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE WITH THE CITY. 
          AND SO, UH, JUST KEEP GIVING US YOUR FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS AS WE, AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          AND IS THAT A PRO, A PROACTIVE TRANSPARENCY OR A RETROACTIVE OH, IT'S ALWAYS PROACTIVE. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IT'S, I GET, PEOPLE CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT LATER, BUT SO WE OH, NOTHING'S BEEN DETERMINED YET OF ABOUT THAT. 
          IF IT COMES UP, THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, ANNOUNCE, OKAY, WE'RE DOING THIS AND THIS IS WHO IT IS. 
          PART OF WHAT THE MUSIC COMMISSION ASKED US TO DO. 
          YOU HAD LIKE A, LIKE A, A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE WITH ANYONE HELPING, WHICH WAS BE PART OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, UNDERSTAND OUR 
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INDUSTRY IMPLICITLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE DIFFERENT GROUPS AND DIVERSITY COMPONENTS OF OUR INDUSTRY. 
          SO THEY HAVE THAT ALREADY, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF WHY THEY'RE QUALIFIED. 
          UH, THEY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THE CONCERN THERE, I MEAN, AND THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE DID WORK, UH, PRETTY HARD ON THOSE. 
          BUT YEAH, WE JUST WOULDN'T WANT A MUSIC GROUP THAT WAS SO ENTRENCHED IN SAY, LIKE ONE GENRE THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, SUPER, THEN EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT GETS AWARDED IS HMM. 
          MYSTERIOUSLY PART OF THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT THEM TO HAVE AN EXPANSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY THE MUSIC AND IT'S PIE SO THEY, IT HAS TO BE EXPANSIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WITH THAT, YES. 
          UH, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE WILL, UH, HAVE A PRESENTATION ON LAND USE FROM STAFF. 
          1 38. 
          WE WILL RECONVENE. 
          YOU GUYS. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. 
          WE CAN PICK CONVERSATIONS. 
          YES, I THINK SO. 
          WANT ME TO TRUTH? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          JUST GIMME THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE COMMISSIONERS THAT WILL BE LEAVING. 
          COMMISSIONER MALDONADO. 
          COMMISSIONER ON COMMISSIONER STRICKLIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE, WE ARE DEALING WITH SOME SERIOUS TIME CONSTRAINTS TODAY. 
          WE NEED TO BE OUT BY THREE 30. 
          COMMISSIONER ROSENTHAL. 
          HEY, ROSE. 
          THREE 30, BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A 30 MINUTE BREAK, BUT WE'RE GONNA SKIP THAT. 
          SO IF WE, IF Y'ALL WANNA GET UP RIGHT THERE, I SUGGEST YOU SIT DOWN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER SCHMUCK'S GONNA BE TAKING IT FROM HERE. 
          [4. Special presentation on Urban Land Use by Donald Jackson, Business Processing Consultant, Economic Development Department.]
UP NEXT, WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION ON URBAN LAND USED BY DONALD JACKSON, BUSINESS PROCESSING CONSULTANT ED D AND ALSO ONE OF MY 10 PLUS YEAR OLD FRIENDS FROM GRADUATE SCHOOL. 
          DON IS A VERY BRILLIANT PERSON. 
          YOU'RE LIVE? I'M LIVE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I'LL JUST GET GOING. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          YEP. 
          MY NAME IS DON JACKSON. 
          I'M IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS, UH, PLACE-BASED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNIT. 
          AND I'M HERE TO TALK SOME ABOUT OUR WORK ON LIVE MUSIC VENUE AND CREATIVE SPACE DEFINITIONS, UH, IN RESPONSE TO SOME RESOLUTIONS AND GIVE YOU SOME UPDATES ON, UH, OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THAT. 
          UM, LET ME SEE THIS ONE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SO THESE TWO RESOLUTIONS WERE, UH, PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR, UH, ONE IN JULY AND ONE FOLLOWING IN SEPTEMBER. 
          THEY BASICALLY DIRECTED US TO LOOK INTO, UH, REGULATORY AND DEFINITION ISSUES RELATED TO LIVE MUSIC VENUES, UH, CREATIVE SPACES, ART DISTRICTS, AND THE POTENTIAL OF DOING REGULATORY INCENTIVES TO SUPPORT ALL OF THOSE. 
          UH, ONE OF THE REALLY STRONG, UH, IMPERATIVES OF THE FIRST RESOLUTION WAS TO ESTABLISH CRITERIA TO BE A LIVE MUSIC VENUE FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW ISN'T REALLY DEFINITIONS FOR PROGRAMS OR FUNDING PROGRAMS PER SE. 
          THIS IS REGULATORY, UH, POWERS FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SO THERE'LL BE SOME SIMILARITY TO DEFINITIONS THAT OUR DEPARTMENT USES FOR OTHER PROGRAMS, BUT THERE'LL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIT INTO KIND OF THE, THE PLANNING FRAMEWORK FOR THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE FOR THE LIVE MUSIC VENUES. 
          UH, ALSO TO LOOK INTO, UH, A BONUS PROGRAM, A REGULATORY BONUS PROGRAM THAT CAN BE USED TO ENCOURAGE, UH, NEW VENUES AS WELL AS SUPPORT EXISTING VENUES. 
          AND THEN TO OFFICIALLY INITIATE THOSE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          UH, THE RESOLUTION PASSED IN SEPTEMBER IS VERY SIMILAR, UH, UH, MORE EXPANSIVE IN SOME WAYS, BUT ALSO FO BUT FOCUSED ON CREATIVE SPACES MORE GENERALLY. 
          UH, LOOKING AT, AGAIN, DEFINITIONS AND DEFINITION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT, UH, REGULATORY BONUS AND INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT CAN BE APPLIED FOR NEW AND EXISTING VENUES, AS WELL AS LOOK AT CRITERIA FOR DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING ART DISTRICTS AND, AND CULTURAL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE A KIND OF REGULATORY, UH, BASIS AND START CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THOSE AS WELL. 
          SO, TO DO THIS WHERE WE ARE NOW, UM, LET ME, THERE WE GO. 
          WE, WE ARE, WE'RE SORT OF BLENDING THESE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY SIMILAR OR, UH, SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS WITH SIMILAR DIRECTION, UH, FOR LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND LIVE MUSIC INDUSTRY, AS WELL AS, UH, CREATIVE SPACES AND CREATIVE INDUSTRIES GENERALLY. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THOSE 
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TOGETHER, UH, BUT WE SORT OF SPLIT IT INTO A FEW, INTO, INTO TWO MAJOR PHASES IN TERMS OF, UH, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE FIRST PHASE, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF OUR KEY DATES WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, FIRST WE'RE DOING, UH, DEFINITIONS AND TRYING TO GET KIND OF GOOD AND IMPROVED DEFINITIONS FOR MUSIC VENUES, FOR CREATIVE SPACES, UH, AND PERFORMANCE VENUES, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I'LL GO INTO IN A MOMENT. 
          UH, GET THOSE INTO THE CODE AND WE HAVE STRONG DIRECTION TO TRY AND GET THAT DONE. 
          UH, FAST. 
          YOU CAN SEE OUR, OUR GOAL IS FOR GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY THE END OF MAY AND HAVING, UH, THE COUNCIL HEARING TO ADOPT THIS IN EARLY JUNE. 
          UH, ONCE WE HAVE THE DEFINITIONS, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THEM. 
          SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN THE RESOLUTIONS, LOOKING AT, UH, INCENTIVES AND REGULATORY INCENTIVES, LOOKING AT CULTURAL DISTRICTS, UH, ART DISTRICTS, MUSIC DISTRICTS, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO REALLY, UM, SUPPORT AND INCENTIVIZE NEW AND EXISTING, UH, CREATIVE SPACES OF ALL TYPES, UH, BOTH CITYWIDE AND IN SPECIFIC DESIGNATED DISTRICT AREAS. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON THIS YEAR. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO ALSO TRY AND IS TO GET THAT DONE THIS YEAR, BUT IT IS AS, AS YOU, AS YOU'LL SEE WHEN I GO THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S REALLY ROBUST. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT TIME FOR THAT. 
          UH, THIRD PHASE IS WHAT I INCLUDED. 
          IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE REGULATORY, BUT SOMETHING ELSE JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON THE RESOLUTIONS ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UH, FINANCIAL INCENTIVES. 
          THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THAN LAND CODE, UH, INCENTIVES. 
          BUT WE ARE ALSO THIS YEAR WORKING, UH, ON REVISING OUR FINANCIAL INCENTIVE PROGRAM, UH, OUR, OUR TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM, BASICALLY, UH, THROUGH UNDER THE, UH, TEXAS CHAPTER THREE 80 AUTHORIZATION. 
          AND A BIG FOCUS ON THAT IS MAKING IT IS, IS CREATING, UH, PROGRAMS THAT ARE MUCH MORE, UH, SUITED AND BENEFICIAL TO CREATIVE SPACES AND LIVE MUSIC VENUES. 
          WE HAVE VERY STRONG COUNCIL DIRECTION TO DO THAT. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO FIX THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND WE HOPE TO BRING SOMETHING TO COUNCIL AGAIN, UM, THIS YEAR, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA GO INTO SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SO SOME OF THE, SO I HAVE THE DEFINITIONS HERE AND, AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, SOME OF THESE COULD, COULD CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE'RE STILL WAITING ON FEEDBACK FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, SO THEY CAN SORT OF TELL US, YOU KNOW, TWEAKS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN HERE. 
          WHAT WE'VE DONE TO TRY AND LIKE KEEP THIS AS, UM, TRY AND MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF BACK AND FORTH IS, IS IF FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE LAST SORT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE PROCESS, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED, SPECIFICALLY IN TRYING TO GET, DO THE SAME THING DURING THAT PROCESS, TRY AND GET BETTER DEFINITIONS AND, AND, AND, AND ALLOWANCES FOR LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND CREATIVE SPACES. 
          WE, WE GOT A LOT OF, UH, DEFINITION CHANGES AND REVISIONS THAT WERE READY TO GO, THAT WE'RE ALREADY VOTED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL, UH, TWICE. 
          AND, UH, YEAH, BUT, UH, BUT SO BECAUSE OF THAT WE'RE, WE TRIED TO USE, UH, THE DEFINITIONS. 
          WE ALREADY KNEW HOW APPROVAL AND HAD BEEN VOTED BY THE COMMUNITY AND HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK AND HAD BEEN VETTED BY LAW AND OTHER OUR SISTER DEPARTMENTS, UH, AND USE THOSE AS THE BASIS WITH RELATIVE, YOU KNOW, VERY FEW CHANGES IF WE COULD HELP IT. 
          UM, SO SOME OF THESE DEFINITIONS WILL, WILL LOOK LIKE THAT. 
          I, I WILL SAY ONE DIFFERENT THING IS JUST IN TERMS OF THIS, THIS LARGER CATEGORY WHERE IT SAYS CREATIVE SPACE THAT WE TOOK, UH, FROM A RECENT ORDINANCE THAT WAS JUST PASSED CALLED, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL THAT WAS PASSED IN DECEMBER. 
          UH, THAT INCLUDED THIS A PROVISION. 
          IT WAS, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT SORT OF THING, BUT PART OF IT INCLUDED A REALLY STRONG PROTECTION FOR, UH, CREATIVE SPACES THAT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR A LONG TIME. 
          UH, BUT, AND FOR THAT THEY LISTED OUT WHAT COUNTS AS A CREATIVE SPACE, WHICH WAS REALLY GREAT BECAUSE IT HELPS ANCHOR IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND ESTABLISH PRECEDENT FOR THAT. 
          THE TRICK IS SEVERAL OF THE DEFINITIONS, SEVERAL OF THE THINGS THERE HADN'T ACTUALLY BEEN DEFINED IN CODE YET. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE NEED TO, TO DO THIS, DO THIS QUICKLY. 
          BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT INCLUDES LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS, AND ART GALLERIES, PERFORMANCE VENUES, THEATERS, UM, UH, STUDIOS OF ALL TYPES, ART WORKSHOPS, LIVE MUSIC VENUES, AND LIVE WORKSPACE, UH, FOR ARTISTS. 
          SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE BASIC DEFINITIONS WE'RE, WE'RE GOING WITH THAT ARE, UH, LESS TRICKY. 
          UM, WE, THE CODE CURRENTLY HAS SOME, SOME ACCOUNTING FOR THESE, BUT THEY'RE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE SORT OF IMPROVEMENTS WITH, UH, CLEAR DESCRIPTIONS THAT WE CAN HOPE THAT WE USE, THAT WE WANT TO USE TO EXPAND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM, UM, 
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FOR LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS, PUBLIC ART GALLERIES, AND THEN STUDIOS OF ALL TYPES. 
          THE NEXT ONES ARE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERESTING. 
          SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UH, RIGHT NOW, UM, MOST OF THE LIVE MUSIC VENUES IN AUSTIN ARE OFFICIALLY EN CODE TREATED AS, UH, BARS AND COCKTAIL LOUNGES. 
          AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THEY ARE LIMITED TO, UH, EFFECTIVELY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY DO THEM, UM, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UH, OR IN A VERY SPECIFIC ZONE THAT IS VERY RARE AND IS THE ZONE THAT ALLOWS FOR BARS. 
          UH, IT ALSO MEANS IF ANYONE EVER TRIES TO DO A ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW A MUSIC VENUE THAT OPERATES IN KIND OF A, A STANDARD WAY WHERE A LARGE PART OF THE REVENUE COMES FROM ALCOHOL SALES, THEY, THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, WE WANT BAR ZONING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS CAN CAUSE A LOT OF, UM, MISUNDERSTANDING AND CONFLICT. 
          SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REAL BIG PRIORITIES FOR OUR DEPARTMENT FOR SEVERAL YEARS HAS BEEN TO CREATE, UH, TO, TO, TO GET SOME SORT OF OTHER STANDARD CREATED SO THAT A LIVE MUSIC VENUE THAT OPERATES LIKE A LIVE MUSIC VENUE, UM, CAN BE TREATED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY IN THE CODE AND POTENTIALLY HAVE BE ALLOWED IN MORE SPACES WITH A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY. 
          SO THAT'S, WE, WE HAVE THIS DEFINITION HERE FOR THAT. 
          UM, PERFORMANCE VENUES ARE, ARE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE KIND OF A THEATER DEFINITION IN THE CODE THAT'S REALLY MORE FOR, UH, LARGE MOVIE THEATERS AND DOESN'T REALLY HANDLE LIVE THEATERS VERY WELL. 
          UH, AND WE, WE SORT OF WANT TO TREAT IT SIMILARLY TO, TO VENUES. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE THE DEFINITION, UH, CLEARER, BETTER, UH, BETTER SPEAK TO OUR CREATIVE SPACES AND MAKE THEM MORE ALLOWED IN MORE PLACES WITH, WITH MORE FLEXIBILITY. 
          I HAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT HERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL TO HELP KIND OF CHARACT, UH, DIFFERENTIATE LIVE MUSIC VENUES FROM JUST KIND OF A STANDARD BAR OR COCKTAIL LOUNGE. 
          WE HAVE SOME CRITERIA THAT ARE BASED ON, UH, ON THE SORT OF, UH, THINGS WE USE IN OUR MUSIC VENUE DEFINITIONS NOW FOR OUR PROGRAMS, BUT THAT CAN BE SORT OF MANAGED OR, OR REVIEWED AND KIND OF A CODE FRAMEWORK. 
          UH, AND THIS IS TO KIND OF REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SPEAKING TO, UH, OPERATING LIVE MUSIC VENUES. 
          UH, IT'S ALSO SIMILAR AND BASED AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, UH, APPROVED BY THE STATE THROUGH, UH, DIFFERENT REGULATORY THINGS FOR A STATE DEFINED LIVE MUSIC VENUES. 
          SO THERE'S SOME OVERLAP THERE. 
          UM, UH, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTION IS ALCOHOL SALES. 
          SO, UH, THEN THAT'S, THAT IS KIND OF THE BIG QUESTION. 
          UM, MOST, MOST OF OUR OPERATING LIVE MUSIC VENUES MAKE, UH, A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE REVENUE FROM ALCOHOL SALES. 
          UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE STICKING POINT, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE IT, WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE IT SO THEY CAN OPERATE AND THE WAYS THEY NORMALLY OPERATE, UH, BUT WITHOUT BEING SORT OF MISCHARACTERIZED. 
          UM, AND THIS IS THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE AND, AND WE HAVE IN THE DEFINITION THAT, UH, SHOULD ALLOW FOR THAT. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE WAITING ON FEEDBACK FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, AND LAW. 
          THIS IS THE TERMINOLOGY THAT WOULD WE SORT OF DEVELOPED IN THROUGH THE LAND CODE PROCESS IN THE PAST WHERE THEY SAID THIS WOULD SORT OF ALLOW THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT'S NEEDED. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY SHOOTING FOR, FOR LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND PERFORMANCE VENUES FOR LIVE MUSIC VENUES, WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHATEVER, WHATEVER RESULT WE GET, UH, ENSURES THAT THEY CAN, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S LABELED A LIVE MUSIC VENUE CAN OPERATE LIKE A LIVE MUSIC VENUE, WHICH MEANS PROBABLY HAVE A MAJORITY OF REV OFTEN HAVE A MAJORITY OF REVENUE COMING FROM ALCOHOL SALES. 
          UH, AND THEN WITH THAT GET INTO, GET THEM ALL ALLOW IN AS MANY ZONING AREAS AS IS, IS FEASIBLE. 
          UH, FOR PERFORMANCE VENUES, BASICALLY THE SAME THING. 
          WE WANT TO GET AS MUCH VENUE FOR ESPECIALLY LIVE PERFORMANCE, UH, VENUES AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, UH, A LITTLE BIT. 
          THOSE, THOSE TEND TO BE LESS SORT OF, UM, UH, THE ALCOHOL SALES THING TENDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS OF A FACTOR FOR THEM, THOUGH. 
          THERE IS SOME ALLOWANCE FOR THAT AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE IS ALLOWANCE FOR THAT. 
          UH, BUT OUR GOAL THERE IS TO JUST MAKE SURE WE CAN HAVE GIVEN, GIVEN THE MASSIVE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS FOR CREATIVE SPACE THAT WE ALL KNOW, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A LIFE THEATER, YOU CAN DO IT AS MANY PLACES AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT AUTOMATICALLY CAN HAPPEN, BUT WE, WE JUST WANT IT TO BE ALLOWED. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THOSE CALLS. 
          THERE'S A FEW MORE HERE. 
          UH, THIS SPEAKS TO KIND OF THAT ARTIST LIVE WORK CONCEPT THAT 
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WAS, THAT WE GOT A LOT OF DIRECTION FOR AND THE COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS. 
          UM, TECH, UH, SO WE ACTUALLY PUT IN TWO, TWO VERSIONS OF THIS. 
          ONE IS CALLED ONE WE'RE CALLING LIVE WORK. 
          ONE WE'RE CALLING WORK LIVE. 
          AND THIS, AGAIN, WE, WE, WE, WE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST LAND CODE REVISIONS, BUT BASICALLY LIVE WORK MEANS, UM, YOU HAVE, UH, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 50% OF YOUR SPACE BEING USED FOR, FOR WORK PURPOSES, I E LIKE A STUDIO OR AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN AUSTIN, PARTLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CODE CLARITY ON WHERE YOU CAN DO THEM. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING TO KIND OF, TO FIX THAT. 
          UM, THERE'S A FEW OF THESE AND, AND SAY THE MILLER DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THEY EXPLICITLY SAY YOU CAN DO IT AND THEY HAVE EXPLICIT STANDARDS FOR DOING IT, BUT, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GUIDANCE ELSEWHERE, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THIS. 
          UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR, UH, WORKING CREATORS, BEING ABLE TO KIND OF NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR BOTH YOUR HOME AND UH, STUDIO SPACE OUTSIDE ON SOMEWHERE ELSE COULD, COULD BE A VERY GOOD WAY FOR SETTING FUNDING. 
          UM, BUT THAT MEANS, BUT THAT WOULD SORT OF BE A, A, A MOSTLY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, BUT THAT HAS LIKE A SUBSTANTIAL OFFICE SPACE OR STUDIO SPACE IN IT. 
          UH, WORK LIVE IS KIND OF THE FLIP. 
          UH, AND IT WOULD REALLY BE MORE IN KIND OF COMMERCIAL ORIENTED, UH, DISTRICTS, BUT IT'S SORT OF, IF YOU HAVE A MORE, UM, MAYBE, MAYBE A LARGER, MORE INTENSIVE, UH, USE, BUT THE GOAL THERE WOULD BE UP TO 50%. 
          IT CAN BE RESIDENTIAL, MEANING IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMERCIAL. 
          IT'S COMMERCIAL STANDARDS. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE LIKE WORKING STUDIOS OR WORKSHOPS OR, UH, EVEN MORE LIKE, LIKE PERFORMANCE SPACES AND PRACTICE SPACE, LIKE THE SORT OF THE SORT OF CONSTRUCTION YOU NEED TO ACCOMMODATE LIKE EQUIPMENT, UH, MORE HEAVILY, YOU CAN DO THAT AND THEN MERGE THAT WITH SOMETHING LIKE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, DORMITORY ROOMS OR, UH, APARTMENTS OR, OR, UM, SHARE OR, UM, GROUP RESIDENTIAL, LIKE SORT OF GROUP HOUSING. 
          SO THAT WILL BE, THOSE ARE THE IS FOR THAT. 
          AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE GO FROM THAT ONCE THESE ARE KIND OF FINALIZED, REVISED AND GO INTO CODE, UM, AND WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE CLARIFICATION ON WHERE YOU CAN DO THESE THINGS AND WE HAVE CAL CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THEY ARE AND HOW YOU TELL WHAT THEY ARE, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW TO REALLY EXPAND AND PROMOTE THEM. 
          UH, SO THIS INCLUDES, UM, THIS WILL INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, UH, DEVELOPING, UH, AN ARTS DISTRICT OR LIVE MUSIC DISTRICT, UH, ZONING OVERLAY. 
          SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU, YOU ESTABLISH A, YOU, YOU HAVE A PROCESS FOR ESTABLISHING SPECIFIC AREAS. 
          AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING WHERE FOR THIS NOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE KIND OF ORGANIC FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE WANT TO CREATE A PROCESS WITH STANDARDS THAT FOLKS CAN APPLY IT WITH. 
          UM, WE'RE DOING A, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IN OUR DEPARTMENT A PROCESS RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF GET CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW TO ESTABLISH, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL DISTRICTS. 
          WE, WE SORT OF MANAGE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL DISTRICTS THROUGH, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND, AND DO SUPPORT FOR THOSE. 
          UH, AND WE WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF IMPROVE THAT PROCESS AND CLARIFY THAT PROCESS. 
          THIS IS A BIG PART OF THAT. 
          UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, THIS WILL MEAN, UH, HAVING SOME SORT OF A OVERLAYER ZONING TOOL THAT CAN BE APPLIED IN AN AREA THAT WILL HAVE SPECIAL, UM, SPECIAL, SPECIAL FEATURES AND, AND POWERS BASICALLY. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THINGS, UH, LIKE VERY STRONG PROTECTIONS FOR EXISTING AND NEW CREATIVE SPACES AND VENUES WITHIN THOSE TYPES OF DISTRICTS. 
          UM, INCREASED, UH, SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY SO THAT THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY LIKE REALLY STRONG HEALTH AND SAFETY RELATED CODES AND STANDARDS CAN BE, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT WAYS THAT MAKING THOSE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE FOR CREATIVE SPACES AND VENUES. 
          UM, A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR HOME-BASED BUSINESS REGULATIONS. 
          THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WAS IN, IN THE, IN THE COUNCIL GUIDANCE AND SORT OF OTHER REGULATORY ITEMS. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT BASED BONUSES FOR, UH, PROVIDING CREATIVE SPACE, UH, OR LIVE MUSIC VENUES IN THOSE DISTRICTS. 
          SO THAT, WHICH I'LL DESCRIBE IN A MOMENT, UM, AND EVEN, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN BEST PRACTICES IN, IN OTHER CITIES WHERE IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC ZONE DEDICATED TO BEING LIKE A, CREATE A, A CULTURAL ZONE OR ART ZONE OR MUSIC ZONE, IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING A, A BUILDING OF A CERTAIN SIZE, YOU, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SOME LEVEL OF CREATIVE SPACE. 
          UM, AND, AND IT'S OFFSET BY HAVING THAT KIND OF ADDITIONAL BONUS, UH, ENTITLEMENT. 
          BUT IT IS, IT IS SORT OF REQUIREMENT AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T NECESSARILY DO CITYWIDE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO AS SORT OF A VOLUNTARILY ADOPTED, UH, ZONING DISTRICT. 
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AND JUST TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THIS, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS MORE, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR PEOPLE ARE WITH DEVELOPMENT BONUSES. 
          I DO HAVE A, AS HEIDI MENTIONED, I HAVE A CU SOMETHING OF A PLANNING BACKGROUND. 
          THIS CAN BE REALLY WONKY, NERDY STUFF, BUT, UH, WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT A ZONING CODE TELLS YOU IS WHAT YOU CAN BUILD, WHERE YOU CAN BUILD IT, HOW BIG IT CAN BE, HOW INTENSIVE IT CAN BE, AND WHAT YOU CAN DO IN IT. 
          AND WE HAVE SORT OF BASE REQUIRE BASE ALLOWANCES FOR HOW BIG THINGS CAN BE AND WHAT, WHAT A DEVELOPMENT BONUS IS, UH, WOULD BE YOU WOULD, UM, IF YOU PROVIDE THE SORT OF CREATIVE SPACE OR MUSIC VENUE OR, OR THAT KIND OF THING IN YOUR PROJECT, YOU ON TOP OF PROVIDING THAT YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENT TO BUILD MORE. 
          UH, WE USE THIS A LOT NOW IN THE CITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          UM, WE THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING VERY CLEARLY THAT COUNCIL WANTED US TO TRY AND LOOK AT FOR CREATIVE SPACES AS WELL. 
          UH, LIKELY THE, THE BEST PLACES TO DO THAT WOULD BE IN THOSE SORT OF CULTURAL DISTRICTS AFTER THEY GET ADOPTED. 
          UH, AND, UM, OR OR OTHER SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED AREAS. 
          IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE, UH, AS IDEAL AS A CITYWIDE THING FOR, FOR THAT LEVEL OF, OF IN, OF INCENTIVE BECAUSE IT WOULD CONFLICT WITH OTHER BONUS PROGRAMS AND, UH, IT WOULD ALSO CREATE A LOT OF NOTIFICATION ISSUES WITH, WITH NEIGHBORHOODS AND A LOT OF POTENTIAL CONFLICTS. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE KIND OF A DESIGNATED DISTRICT WHERE FOLKS ARE COMMITTED TO PROMOTING THIS TYPE OF, UM, THIS TYPE OF VISION, IT'S, IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE. 
          WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, CITYWIDE TOOLS, UH, NOT JUST DISTRICTS, BUT ALSO CITYWIDE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OH, GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ACTUALLY I THINK I WAIT WAS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OH YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          UM, SO CITYWIDE, UH, AGAIN, UH, POTENTIAL PROGRAMS THAT COULD ALLOW FOR MORE, UH, FLEXIBILITY AND ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, FOR CREATIVE SPACES AND LIVE MUSIC VENUES. 
          UH, ESPECIALLY THINGS AROUND LIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR, UM, THERE'S OTHER SITE PLAN ISSUES. 
          UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE, UH, TRIGGERS. 
          SO IF A NEW DEVELOPMENT'S COMING IN NEARBY, UH, OR IF THERE'S A REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THAT'S IMPACTING A CREATIVE SPACE, THERE'S SOME SORT OF PROCESS WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TRY AND WORK WITH THAT. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROGRAM, UH, ACTUALLY HAS A REALLY STRONG PRECEDENT. 
          UH, SO SINCE THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA LOOK AT AS, AS, AS POTENTIAL POTENTIALLY REPLICATING. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, MORE ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY. 
          UM, LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE KIND OF, UM, DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS THAT REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GROUND FLOOR SPACE BE DEVOTED TO A CERTAIN TYPE OF USE WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          MAYBE WE CAN TRY AND, UH, HAVE CREATIVE SPACES MORE CLEARLY ADOPTED INTO THAT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, AND POTENTIALLY AND SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH AGAIN WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND LAW AND OUR, AND OUR SISTER DEPARTMENTS AND PLANNING, THINKING ABOUT, UH, A MORE LIMITED KIND OF DEVELOPMENT BONUS SYSTEM THAT COULD BE CITYWIDE. 
          UH, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF EXEMPTING CREATIVE SPACES FROM THE, THE, FROM THE NORMAL KIND OF CALCULATIONS FOR HOW BIG A BUILDING IS. 
          SO LIKE, IF YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED IF, IF YOU'RE ZONING ONLY ALLOWS YOU TO BUILDING, THAT'S 50,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. 
          IF YOU PUT A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT SET OF CREATIVE SPACES IN MAYBE THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET DOESN'T COUNT. 
          AND LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO EXPLORE DOING. 
          UM, THEN AFTER THAT, LOOKING AT THE SORT OF WHAT I WAS CALLING KIND OF PHASE THREE, UH, COUNCIL PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS TIED TO OUR REVISION OF TEXANS PROGRAMS IN 2018, UM, THAT WAS REALLY FOCUSED MORE ON AFFORDABLE REAL ESTATE AND AFFORDABLE COMMERCIAL SPACE. 
          UH, I ACTUALLY QUOTED KIND OF THE DIRECTION THERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE COMMERCIAL AFFORDABILITY FOR TENANTS OF, OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, UH, WITH REAL, WITH INCLUDING SOME STRONG KIND OF WHO THIS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO BENEFIT. 
          UH, CREATIVE SECTOR IS A, IS A MAJOR BENEFICIARY CATEGORY. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON KIND OF TRYING TO REVIEW AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE, UM, WE, WE HAD A REVIEW CONTRACT GOING THAT UNFORTUNATELY GOT A LITTLE DELAYED BY THE PANDEMIC, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE HOPE TO BRING FORWARD THIS YEAR. 
          LIKE SOME REVISED PROGRAMS AND TOOLS THAT CAN BE USED FROM A FINANCIAL THREE 80 KIND OF TAX REIMBURSEMENT FRAMEWORK TO SUPPORT, UM, CREATIVE SPACES AND, AND VENUES. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S 
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IT. 
          THANK YOU, DAWN. 
          YEAH. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THAT LIKE, TOTALLY NERDY FLASHBACK TO PLANNING LAW. 
          THAT WAS GREAT. 
          GREAT. 
          BUT GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, NOPE, YOU WANTED TO GO . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL WE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW DISTRICT KEN, BUT WE'RE TWINS. 
           , BUT, BUT WE'RE UNITED IN OUR DESIRE FOR A MUSIC AND ARTS DORMITORY TYPE LIVING SPACE. 
          AND IF WE WERE TO CREATE A LEGAL CATEGORY FOR THIS MUSIC AND ARTS DORMITORY SPACE, CAN WE ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THE CREATIVE SPACE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE COMING UP PERHAPS EITHER THROUGH THE LIVE WORK THAT YOU MENTIONED MM-HMM. 
           OR CAN, CAN WE STILL GET, CAN WE STILL GET ONTO THIS TRAIN? I, I THINK ACTUALLY, BASED ON WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF YOUR DESCRIPTION FROM THAT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD FIT REALLY WELL WITH EITHER THE LIVE WORK OR THE WORK LOOP CATEGORY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND, AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE WORKLOAD FOR EXACTLY THAT TYPE OF CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          SO AS FAR AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THAT WOULD, IF, IF WE CAN GET THAT ESTABLISHED AND DIRECTED IN TERMS OF WHERE IT CAN BE LOCATED AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING, THING, THEN, THEN YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD COVER IT. 
          THE BONUS WILL BE HAVING THE ARTS AND MUSIC DISTRICT IN THAT SAME AREA. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M, IT IS KIND OF CONCERNING ME AND MAYBE IT'S JUST MY AGE THAT, UM, MUSIC ALWAYS TIE WITH BARS AND SELLING ALCOHOL BECAUSE I'M GROWING UP IN THE, I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU MY AGE, BUT WE ARE GOING WITH THE  YOU KNOW, BOB DYLAN, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THOSE, UH, GREAT ARTISTS THAT THEY PERFORM IN THE BASEMENT OF A CHURCH AND THAT, THAT IS NO SELLING OF ALCOHOL, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I, I, I LIKE TO SEE AUSTIN BRING BACK THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WITH CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND INSPIRE OUR FUTURE GENERATION, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ENGAGE IN SOCIAL ISSUES THROUGH MUSIC MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WOULDN'T IT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT INTO THIS AND PACKAGE IT TO MAKE IT MORE INSPIRING AND PALATABLE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND FOR OUR CITY FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO EMBRACE? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS, IS MAKE SURE THAT HOWEVER THIS IS DESCRIBED, HOWEVER THESE CATEGORIES ARE DESCRIBED, UM, THERE, THERE IS FLEXIBILITY TO ENCOURAGE THEIR, THEIR USE IN OTHER, IN, IN, IN AREAS THAT CAN FIT KIND OF THE ORGAN FIT ORGANIC CHANGES IN, IN WHAT THE INDUSTRIES ARE DOING. 
          BUT I THINK, YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT HOW WE CAN MAKE IT MORE, UH, FEASIBLE IN THOSE SPACES AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          DO HAVE, DO HAVE THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY COMPONENTS, YOU KNOW, IN OUR ARTS, MUSIC, UH, DISTRICT. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ALL NEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I DEFINITELY, UH, CONCUR WITH THAT BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE VAST ASPERS IN AUSTIN THAT DON'T NECESSARILY COME IN ENGAGE, SORRY. 
          OH, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THERE VAST ASPERS IN AUSTIN THAT DON'T NECESSARILY COME AND ENGAGE IN WHAT WE CONSIDER THE MAINSTREAM LIVE MUSIC SCENE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO YOU DON'T FIND A, A GENUINELY DIVERSE AUDIENCES THERE, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T CATER TO THE, UH, THE CLUB AND THE ALCOHOL, UM, YOU KNOW, CONJUNCTION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SHARING OF PARTAKING IN MUSIC CULTURE. 
          SO I, I THINK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE IN TRULY MAKING, UH, MUSIC, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE TO, UH, OR THE SPACES MAKE, UM, CREATING SPACES THAT ARE MORE INVITING TO, UH, DIFFERENT DIASPORA IN AUSTIN. 
          I THINK TO AMY'S POINT, CREATING THOSE SPACES BECOMES, UH, VERY IMPORTANT ALSO, UM, OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE CONSIDER MAINSTREAM LIVE MUSIC, THERE ARE, UH, THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT IS GOING ON FROM, UM, CULTURAL ARTS, BUT ALSO MUSIC AND COMMERCIAL MUSIC PERSPECTIVE IN DIFFERENT POCKETS, UH, IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN TOWN, AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, BEYOND WHAT WE CALL, YOU KNOW, NOW JUST PURE AUSTIN. 
          UH, BUT IN, IN, IN THE COUNTIES AND ALL WHERE THERE IS, THERE IS A HIGH LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT AND THEN THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ECONOMIC VALUE TO THOSE, UH, ACTIVITIES AS WELL. 
          UM, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF THINKING OF AUSTIN MUSIC AS IN, IN IN CULTURE AS BEYOND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE ARE HOMING IN ON FOR ALL THESE YEARS, WHICH IS VERY CENTRAL, VERY MAINSTREAM, UH, YEAH. 
          SCOTT AND THE MACIA. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SO UNDER THE, 
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THE, THE CLASSIFICATIONS OF LIKE A CREATIVE SPACE, THERE WAS, UM, AN ARTIST LIVE WORKSPACE THAT'S PART OF THAT. 
          DOES AN APARTMENT QUALIFY AS THAT? THAT'S AN INTERESTING, INTERESTING QUESTION. 
          UM, TYPICALLY FOR LIVE WORKSPACE, IT'S, IT'S LESS, THOSE TEND TO BE MORE, UM, TOWN HOME OR SINGLE FAMILY SIZE OR SCALED. 
          BUT THAT'S PART, AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE, WE ALSO ARE PROMOTING THIS KIND OF WORK LIVE BECAUSE APARTMENTS WOULD FIT MORE IN THAT, IN THAT MODEL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS MM-HMM. 
          , THE, AS FAR AS THE CREATIVE SPACES GRANT CON IS, WAS, OR IS, OR WAS CONCERNED AS FAR AS ROLLING OUT OF THAT GRANT NOW, UM, THE, UH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ASKED TO, LIKE, IF I LIVED IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, COULD I QUALIFY FOR THAT GRANT? OR IF I HAD A RESIDENTIAL SPACE THAT ALSO DOUBLED AS, YOU KNOW, A, UM, A CREATIVE SPACE WHERE I HAD, LIKE, I HAVE A STUDIO AND SOME OTHER STUFF, COULD I USE THAT AS, COULD, COULD THAT BE DEFINED AS A CREATIVE SPACE FOR ME TO QUALIFY FOR THE GRANT, BASICALLY? YEAH. 
          WELL, WELL AGAIN, LIKE I, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS SORT OF DIFFERENT THAN KIND OF THE, THE DEFINITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE TIED TO KIND OF FUNDING PROGRAMS OR FINANCIAL PROGRAMS LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. 
          THIS IS REALLY REGULATORY ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN BUILD AND WHERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD IMPACT IT NECESSARILY, BUT IN TERMS OF, THERE ARE STUFF IN HERE THAT'S SORT OF SIMILAR RELATED TO THAT IN TERMS OF THERE'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON HOW MUCH SPACE YOU CAN USE FOR LIKE HOME, A HOME BASED BUSINESS OR HOME OCCUPANCY. 
          SURE. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE GOT A LOT OF DIRECTION FROM THOSE RESOLUTIONS TO DO, WAS TO INCREASE THAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITY FOR HOME-BASED, UH, OCCUPATIONAL SPACE AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO WITH THE LIVE WORK. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO WITH THE WORK LIVE THAT THERE'S ALSO, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS TO MAKE, UH, MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR JUST HOME-BASED OCCUPATIONS THAT ARE CREATIVE OCCUPATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          COOL. 
          SECOND QUESTION, UH, THE ADC IS ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, THE, UH, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE YOU ALL WORKING WITH ADC TO KIND OF LIKE, DO SOME LIKE, UM, UM, PARTICULARLY IN DISTRICTS, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S SIX SQUARE, THE SIX SQUARE DISTRICT, UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, KITTY DORMS, BACKYARD MM-HMM. 
          , UM, VICTORY GRILL. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN THAT, UM, IN THAT AREA. 
          IS THERE, UM, CAN YOU WALK, TALK TO OR SPEAK TO ANY OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS OR THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE AREAS? YEAH, I, I THINK FOR WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, WE AREN'T WORKING WITH THEM DIRECTLY YET ON THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE STILL JUST KIND OF DOING DEFINITIONS AND LOCATIONAL STUFF, BUT THEN WHEN WE LOOK INTO LIKE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT AND TALKING ABOUT THOSE CULTURAL DISTRICTS AND INCENTIVES AND PROGRAMS, YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE WORKING WITH THEM. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S A MAJOR AREA WE, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT TO SEE LIKE HOW WE CAN MAKE TOOLS THAT WILL HELP THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DONALD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I FEEL LIKE MY COMPADRES ON THE URBAN CORE WORKING GROUP HAVE KNOWN ALL THIS LONGER THAN I HAVE. 
          SOME OF THE DETAILS I JUST HEARD ABOUT, MAYBE NOT, BUT I AM SO EXCITED BECAUSE IT IS REGULATORY AND CODING RELATED, CODE RELATED AND ALL THAT. 
          AND I SAW FALL 2023 ON GETTING THOSE THINGS PERHAPS SET, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. 
          I, I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING MUCH FURTHER TO TRY TO GET CHANGES INTO THAT. 
          AND THE FACT, AND MAYBE WE ARE, MAYBE WE ARE, BUT ALSO THE, UM, THE, THE, HOW MUCH THOUGHT WENT INTO THE DEFINITIONS OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THE POSSIBILITIES CUZ NOT ONLY BEING A COMMISSIONER SERVING ON THE URBAN CORE WORKING GROUP, BUT I WAS IN THE ARTS NEIGHBORHOOD WORKING GROUP AND I JUST WANNA BRING BACK SOMETHING DONALD, THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT SO MUCH OF WHAT THESE, UM, THESE THINGS ARE SET UP TO SUPPORT, TO GET DEVELOPERS TO BE ENGAGED IN, TO GET EXCITED ABOUT IT'S WHO'S INSTIGATING WHAT. 
          IT'S NOT THE CITY OF AUSTIN MAKING THINGS HAPPEN. 
          IT'S GETTING COMMUNITIES INTERESTED IN CONNECTING TO DEVELOPERS THAT WANNA MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          SO WE HAVE TO REALLY HEAR THAT. 
          AND AS FAR AS CONNECTING AND SUPPORTING, WE NEED TO FIND THOSE MUTUAL ENGAGEMENTS OF WHO'S INTERESTED AND STUFF. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF, OF HARD, IT WAS HARD TO FIND A, UM, A FINAL REPORT FROM OUR ARTS NEIGHBORHOOD WORKING GROUP BECAUSE I FELT AS A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP, WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO START. 
          AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, THERE WAS SO MUCH OF THOSE REGULATORY THINGS THAT WOULD KEEP THINGS FROM HAPPENING. 
          IT'S LIKE, AND THEN YOU THINK, WELL, WE DON'T WANNA BE AROUND THE COUNCIL DISTRICT. 
          WE DON'T WANNA, IT HAS TO BE A COMMUNITY. 
          IT HAS TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT SPACE. 
          SO I THANK YOU FOR THIS JUST IN WHAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS DOING TOWARD THIS. 
          CUZ I THINK IT HELPS US DEFINE IS ARTS LEADERS AND ADMINISTRATORS 
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TO GET THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, DAN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF TIMING, JUST TO CLARIFY, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT STRONG COUNCIL DIRECTION TO GET DE DEFINITIONS PRETTY FAST. 
          AND, AND OUR GOAL, THE, THE, THE TARGET CURRENTLY IS JUNE FOR THOSE ADOPTIONS. 
          AND THEN ONCE, ONCE AS, AND WE'VE ALREADY, AND WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED DRAFTING THE REST OF IT. 
          AND THAT, I THINK THE GOAL IS STILL TO TRY AND GET THAT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          I THINK IT'S, I THINK THIS FALL SHOULD BE FEASIBLE AGAIN. 
          THERE. 
          I, I WILL BE, I DO WANNA BE CLEAR THIS, IF WE DO THIS, THESE ARE VERY STRONG TOOLS. 
          UM, AND, AND IT'LL BE, UH, SO I, SO WE WANT, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ENGAGEMENT AND, AND BACK AND FORTH. 
          BUT, UM, BUT THAT IS THE GOAL. 
          THE GOAL IS FALL 2023. 
          AMAZING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY, SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          THERE ARE CLARIFICATIONS. 
          FIRST OFF, UH, COMMISSIONERS MONK AND ME CHARLO, WERE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING ALCOHOL DECOUPLED FROM LIVE MUSIC. 
          UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WASN'T MENTIONED WAS PEOPLE UNDER 21. 
          AND IF ANYTHING THAT CAN MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVENTS TO HOLD PROFITABLE ALL AGES SHOWS IS A REAL BENEFIT TO THE, UH, STUDENTS OF AUSTIN, WHICH INCLUDES MOST OF THE UT UNDERGRADS, HOWEVER MANY TENS OF THOUSANDS STRONG. 
          UM, AND UH, ALSO IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF PERHAPS EVEN SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST EVENTS COULD SOMEHOW OR OTHER BE ADJUSTED TO ALLOW FOR PEOPLE UNDER 21 TO ENTER WITH VARIOUS WRIST BOUNDS. 
          I KNOW THIS IS ALL POSSIBLE AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S BARS NOT WANTING TO DO THIS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A VERY NICE THING TO DO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, NEXT, NEXT QUESTION I HAVE. 
          YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, IN PARTICULAR WHAT'S HAPPENING ON SIX SQUARE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD ISSUES AROUND AGENT OF CHANGE. 
          UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE BACK AND FORTH AND THE MANY PROPOSALS? PROBABLY FAMILIAR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, , WOULD THESE DEFINITIONS OF MUSIC ARTS DISTRICT, WOULD THEY SUPERSEDE AGENT OF CHANGE? WOULD, WOULD THAT PUT, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS AT, UH, DISADVANTAGE OR, OR THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WOULD THAT CONSTRAIN THEM IN THEIR ABILITY TO MAKE LIFE DIFFICULT FOR, UH, FOR LIVE PERFORMANCE VENUES? SO, SO THE, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER A TOOL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, SO AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF COMPATIBILITY TOOL IN THE CODE. 
          NOW. 
          UM, IF WE HAVE THESE DEFINITIONS, IT COULD, I, WE COULD USE THEM TO WORK ON COMPATIBILITY ISSUES IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF, UM, ANY SORT OF CITYWIDE ACTIVITY, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE, THERE'D BE A LOT OF DIFFICULTY HAVING A, SOMETHING THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY, A TOOL THAT AUTOMATICALLY SUPERSEDED ANY SORT OF RIGHTS. 
          WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE IS KIND OF, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UH, INCLUDED IN THE SAME WAY THAT IF WE WANNA LOOK AT, UH, POTENTIAL PRESERVATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR CREATIVE SPACES AND REDEVELOPMENTS, SAME SORT OF THING, HAVE A PROCESS SET UP WHERE IF, UM, A NEW DEVELOPMENT IS COMING WHERE THERE ARE ESTABLISHED, UH, MUSIC OR CULTURAL VENUES, UH, THERE IS SOME SORT OF TRIGGER. 
          SO THAT, THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE SITE REVIEW PROCESS, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, THERE CAN BE SOME LEVEL OF COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION. 
          UH, HAVING SOMETHING BINDING THAT THEY ARE HAVE TO DO, UH, IS, UH, IS A MUCH HARDER, UH, THING. 
          IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE AGAIN IN A DESIGNATED CULTURAL DISTRICT OR DESIGNATED LIVE MUSIC DISTRICT. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK DEFINITELY TRYING TO KIND OF FOCUS MORE ON A POTENTIAL COLLABORATIVE, UH, FRAMEWORK. 
          UH, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THAT KIND OF CITYWIDE USE. 
          UM, I WILL SAY I DON'T, THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A, THERE WASN'T A HUGE INJUNCTION ON AGENT TO CHANGE IN THE CODE, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF, THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS, UM, IN THOSE RESOLUTIONS ON SUPPORTING FLEXIBILITY AND PRESERVATION AND ACTIVITY. 
          SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE IN THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. 
          UM, I NEED TO PUT ON RECORD THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER META CHARLA IS NOW REPPING MUSIC. 
          , YOU HAVE FLIPPED OFFICIALLY. 
          . 
          GO AHEAD. 
          COMMISSIONER GOULD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GRATEFUL FOR YOU, UH,  NAALI. 
          UM, THIS IS AMAZING. 
          THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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ALSO WANNA ECHO AS A, UH, A PERSON WHO'S A FULL-TIME WORKING MUSICIAN, UH, THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE DECOUPLING OF ALCOHOL SALES FROM, UM, OUR ENTIRE, UM, INDUSTRY AND ECOSYSTEM. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL GREAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO TO, TO BRING THESE INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCES, JOYFUL, CONNECTED EXPERIENCES WITH PEOPLE THEN ARE, ARE VALUED IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW MANY DRINKS PEOPLE BOUGHT. 
          IT'S NOT A GREAT FEELING. 
          AND IT DOESN'T RE AT ALL REFLECT THE VALUE OF, OF MM-HMM. 
          , UH, THE ART AND THE EXPERIENCE AND THE CONNECTION. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          AND I JUST WANNA ECHO THAT SENTIMENT AND NO JU JUDGMENT WHATSOEVER ON PEOPLE WHO DO WANNA GO OUT DRINKING AND HAVE A GOOD TIME. 
          THAT IS TOTALLY FINE, BUT JUST GREAT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT'S NOT THE EXPERIENCE EVERYONE WANTS. 
          AND ALSO TO HAVE MORE, UM, ALL AGES OPPORTUNITIES I THINK WILL BE GREAT. 
          SO I LOVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO EXPAND MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONSTITUTES A VENUE AND THE SPACES THAT PEOPLE CAN USE SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE CREATIVE AND HAVE MORE, UM, ORGANIC, UM, COMMUNITY COLLABORATION AROUND SPACES AND PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND I'M ALSO WANTED TO, UM, BUILD OFF OF, UH, SCOTT'S QUESTION ABOUT, UM, PRIVATE LAND USE OR, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE BECAUSE, UM, SOME SPACES THAT I'VE BEEN AWARE OF IN THE PAST, UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF WHICH CONTINUE TO EXIST, BUT, UM,  I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM COME BACK IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEBODY HAS A BACK HOUSE MM-HMM. 
           ON THEIR PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO HOST, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, KIND OF COMMUNITY GATHERING INFORMAL PERFORMANCES OR JAMS OR, UM, IT CAN BE A COMMUNITY SPACE DURING THE DAY AND THEN AT NIGHT PEOPLE CAN, UM, CAN GATHER THERE FOR, UM, FORMAL OR INFORMAL PERFORMANCES. 
          AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S A, A GUEST HOUSE THERE. 
          SO VISITING, VISITING ARTISTS CAN COME AND STAY AND MAYBE HAVE SOME SORT OF LIKE, KIND OF ARTIST IN RESIDENCY, BUT THIS IS ALL JUST UNOFFICIALLY, YOU KNOW, ORGANICALLY WITHIN, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND I'M CURIOUS AS TO, UM, HOW THESE CHANGES WOULD AFFECT, UM, THOSE POTENTIAL. 
          CUZ I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME, A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS AROUND BUILDING CODE AND IT'S BEEN JUST REALLY, I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ONE OF THOSE SPACES IN MY BACKYARD AND IT IS COMPLETELY OVERWHELMING TO ME  TO IMAGINE THE PROCESS, BUT THAT'S THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FORMULATE INTO THAT THAT INTO A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION, BUT NO, I THINK, I THINK I, I THINK I GOT IT AND I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF RESPONSES THERE. 
          UM, QUICK, WELL, WELL, FIRST QUICK THING ABOUT THE SORT OF ALCOHOL MUSIC VENUE THING. 
          THE DEFINITION THAT WE SORT OF HAVE JUST SAYS THAT ALCOHOL SALES ARE ALLOWED AS AN INCIDENTAL USE. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYONE HAS TO SELL ALCOHOL FOR MUSIC VENUE. 
          THE ISSUE IS WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE CREATE A DEFINITION AND SET OF CODES AND, AND, AND, AND INCENTIVES AND STUFF THAT, THAT HAVE, THAT ARE FOR MUSIC VENUES, WE CAN ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING THAT FUNCTIONS AS A MUSIC VENUE. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ANYTHING THAT FUNCTIONS A MUSIC VENUE HAS TO SELL ALCOHOL. 
          IT JUST MEANS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A, LIKE, LIKE A MOHAWK OR, OR, OR A A CONTINENTAL CLUB CAN BE INCLUDED WITHIN THAT BUCKET AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THERE'S DEFINITELY, WE, WE, WE CANNOT AND WOULD NEVER REQUIRE ANY, REQUIRE ANYONE TO SELL ALCOHOL ANYWHERE. 
          THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S NOT A, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A THING ANYONE, ANY GOVERNMENT CAN DO. 
          UH, BUT I THINK SELLING TEA WILL BE GOOD. 
          I THINK, I THINK TEA'S GREAT. 
          I THINK TEA'S GREAT. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE BACKYARD SHOWS, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OF THINGS THERE. 
          LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE, OF THE, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE DIRECTIONS FROM THE RESOLUTION WAS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO DO, UH, HOME-BASED CREATIVE SPACE ACTIVITIES. 
          I THINK THAT DEFINITELY FITS, THERE'S KIND OF A SCALE AND INTENSITY ISSUE WHERE IF IT'S LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A PERMANENT, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A PERMANENT BACK, YOU KNOW, BACKYARD SORT OF VENUE ACTIVITY, I THINK THAT'S REAL. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY COOL. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT IS A LITTLE TRICKIER, UH, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK DEFINITELY, LIKE I SAID, IN THOSE CULTURAL DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THERE'S A COMMUNITY PROCESS WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORS GET TO BASICALLY HEAR ABOUT IT, DECIDE IF THEY'RE OKAY, WEIGH IN, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS OF ENGAGEMENT. 
          THOSE WOULD BE KIND OF THE BEST. 
          THOSE WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FITS IF ONE'S TRYING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN TRY AND GET MORE JUST KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY FOR CREATIVE SPACES IN GENERAL. 
          SO IF THERE'S NOT, 
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IF THERE ISN'T A MAJOR HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE, UH, IF THERE ISN'T A BIG, A BIG NEIGHBORHOOD CONFLICT, UM, THAT CAN, THERE CAN, IT CAN BE EASIER TO DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          GO AHEAD SCOTT. 
          UM, I'M GONNA BE BLUNT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON SIX SQUARE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH KENNY DURHAM'S BACKYARD AND, AND PARTICULARLY WITH, UM, VICTORY GRILL, I KNOW THAT IT'S CURRENTLY CLOSED AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE IF, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH ADC ABOUT THIS TOO, IT'S BEEN SOME TIME, BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH HIM ABOUT THIS AND I CAN'T REALLY SEEM TO GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER ABOUT LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. 
          AND, UM, I REALLY THINK THAT THIS, UM, I PROBABLY ARTS AND THE MUSIC COMMISSION COULD, I THINK A, A REALLY GOOD REPORT ON WHAT'S BEING DONE CURRENT TO CURRENTLY TENTATIVELY STAGED HOW ALL THAT'S WORKING OUT. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD INFORMATION FOR US TO HAVE AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE. 
          SO THAT YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I WORK ON, BUT WE CAN WORK ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF, IN THE SPIRIT OF PRESERVATION, UM, I WAS WONDERING IF ANY OF THE DE DEFINITIONS, UM, WE'LL HAVE DESIGNATION FOR LEGACY VERSUS NEW OCCUPANTS OR ORGANIZATIONS, UM, IF THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO INCLUDE, THAT THAT IS, THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          WE HAVE HAD PROGRAMS RECENTLY THAT HAD KIND OF THE LEGACY FOCUS. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. 
          UH, I THINK THAT THERE'S CRITERIA THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN, IN, IN, IN RECENT ZONING, THINGS THAT DID HAVE KIND OF AN AGE, LIKE A AGE OF ESTABLISHMENT CRITERIA. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          WE CAN CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT DEFINITELY IN TERMS OF THE, PROBABLY MORE THE PROGRAMMATIC INCENTIVE AND REGULATORY THINGS COMING ON IN THE SECOND PHASE. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN ALSO TRY, WE CAN ALSO LOOK AND SEE IF, IF THERE'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK WITH OUR, WITH OUR SISTER DEPARTMENTS AND PLANNING AND LAW AND, AND DSD AND FIGURE OUT IF IT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A LEGACY CRITERIA HERE IN THE LAND USE DEFINITIONS OR HA OR EMBED THAT INSTEAD AND, AND PROCESSES. 
          SO IT, IT GETS KIND OF, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND WEIRD LIKE THAT IT CODE IS REALLY LONG AND CONFUSING AND STRANGE AND YOU HAVE TO PUT CERTAIN THINGS IN THE RIGHT SPOTS. 
          IT'S SORT OF LIKE A WEIRDLY FUNCTIONING COMPUTER PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO YOU JUST GOTTA STICK IT ON THE RIGHT AREA. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY SECOND GAS, I WANNA, UM, ALSO, UH, TALK ABOUT THAT SAME RELATIVE AND RAM REMIND OR RELATIVE ISSUE AND REMIND SOME OF US OR BRING THIS BACK TO THE TABLE. 
          CUZ IN THAT FUNDING, UM, AND THIS IS A FUNDING THING, BUT IT GOES BACK, SCOTT, TO YOUR, I MEAN IT GOES BACK TO YOUR QUESTION. 
          UM, THERE WAS FUNDING FOR LEGACY ORGANIZATIONS OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR LEGACY ORGANIZATIONS AND PLEASE SOMEBODY ON CITY STAFF. 
          CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT SEEMED WHEN THAT WENT, WHEN THAT WAS MADE AVAILABLE AND THOSE THINGS, YOU PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO BE A LEGACY ORGANIZATION THAT GOT FUNDING. 
          THE 5 0 1   WERE CUT FROM THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE 5 0 1   AT THAT TIME COULD NOT APPLY. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY ON STAFF THAT REMEMBERS THAT? IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO,  JUST, I'M JUST REMEMBERING SOMETHING THAT WAS LEFT OFF OF THE ORIGINAL LEGACY, SOMETHING THAT ENDED UP NOT BEING AVAILABLE LATER. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. 
          CUZ IT WAS A LEGACY ISSUE. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT WAS PART OF THE RELIEF FUNDING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF RECEIVED IN THE WAY THAT COUNCIL ALLOCATED THOSE DOLLARS WAS THAT NONPROFITS WERE NOT ELIGIBLE. 
          IT ENDED UP THAT WAY. 
          YES. 
          IT ENDED UP THAT WAY. 
          , THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT HOW COUNCIL INTENDED SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT THE LANGUAGE ITSELF YEAH. 
          IS WHAT WE WENT ON AS STAFF. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THAT LAST LANGUAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE RECEIVED THE DIRECTIVE THAT CAME DOWN GOTCHA. 
          TO STAFF AS TO HOW COUNCIL WERE, WERE GOING TO ALLOCATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE DEFINITION OF, AND HOW THEY ALLOCATED THAT PARTICULAR SET ASIDE IN THE FUNDING. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          MADE IT INELIGIBLE FOR NON-PROFITS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BRING ALL THIS FULL CIRCLE TO THE QUESTION SINCE WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT INTO THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          JUST BECAUSE THAT LEGACY NEED IS, IS, IS SO THERE THAT, BECAUSE IT FELT AT THE TIME THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS BIGGER THAN 
          [02:55:01]
WHERE IT ENDED UP. 
          SO I THINK THAT WE ALL, ALL ON THAT SAME PAGE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, MAYBE GET SOME, SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK OR WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT PIPE BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME GOOD STUFF THAT DID HAPPEN, BUT OTHER THINGS THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN AT THE TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WAS PART OF THE LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW ARPA MONEY WAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          DIVVIED UP ALL GOOD REASONS FOR SURE. 
          AND STAFF DOESN'T, DIDN'T WE FOLLOWED COUNCIL POLICY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I'M AWARE OF THAT FOR SURE. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          UM, DON, DO YOU KNOW, AND I'M EMBARRASSED THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT IS THERE A PARALLEL AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL OF TAX INCENTIVES THAT WOULD OPEN UP FOR CULTURAL DISTRICTS, LIKE DESIGNATED CULTURAL DISTRICTS IN A SIMILAR WAY TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX CREDITS AT MULTIPLE LEVELS? LIKE IS THERE SOMETHING THAT OPENS UP BEYOND MUNICIPAL LEVEL INCENTIVES IF WE HAVE A CULTURAL DISTRICT OPPORTUNITY? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          I MEAN THE, SO THE STATE HAS A CULTURAL DISTRICT DESIGNATION MM-HMM. 
           PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UH, AND THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR WHAT COUNTS AS A STATE DESIGNATED CULTURAL DISTRICT OR WHAT'S ELIGIBLE TO BE THAT. 
          AND THE PROCESS WE'RE SORT OF DEVELOPING FOR THESE DISTRICT DESIGNATIONS WOULD IDEALLY SORT OF INCORPORATE THAT SO THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A LOCAL LEVEL, THIS TYPE OF DESIGNATION, A GLOBAL LEVEL DESIGNATION, YOU'D BE APPLICABLE FOR THAT, THAT STATE LEVEL, UH, DESIGNATION. 
          AND THAT COMES WITH POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, STATE FUNDING. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND ABOUT GENERAL TAX INCENTIVES FOR CULTURAL DISTRICTS. 
          UM, APART FROM POTENTIAL. 
          YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT AWARE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, UH, BUT DEFINITELY THE LOCAL LEVEL, LIKE I SAID, AND KIND OF THAT THE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, UH, NOW WITH OUR TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, UM, UH, WE HAVE VERY STRONG DIRECTION AND HAVE HAD IT FOR A WHILE TO TRY AND HAVE INCENTIVE BASED PROGRAMS THAT CAN, CAN WORK WELL FOR, UM, CREATIVE SPACES, AFFORDABLE, CREATIVE SPACE, CREATIVE SECTOR BUSINESSES, UH, ARTS AND MUSIC. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, WE ARE GOING TO TRY AND DO THAT THIS IS REALLY EXCITING AND IS A, A LOT OF WHAT YOU COVERED ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE LAND USE WORKING GROUP, AND JUST THE SPEED WITH WHICH THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S MOVING FORWARD IS REALLY EXCITING. 
          UM, MY ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          YOU MENTIONED BEST PRACTICES, SO SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP, UM, IN OUR WORKING GROUP MM-HMM. 
          , AND THIS APPLIES AS MUCH TO FINANCIAL INCENTIVES AS TO LIKE CODE AND REGULATORY IS LIKE, WHO'S DOING THIS WELL? AND LIKE, WHERE CAN WE LOOK FOR INSPIRATION FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          IN TERMS OF REGULATORY STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UM, THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENT OF, UH, CREATIVE SPACE AND, UH, DENSITY BONUSES TO HELP KIND OF INCENTIVIZE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, ONE OF THE MODELS I'VE LOOKED AT FOR THAT IS, UM, IN, IT'S IN NEW YORK, UH, HUNDRED 25TH STREET SPECIAL DISTRICT, JUST TO SAY IT. 
          THEY DO THAT AND, AND IN SORT OF THE DESIGNATED SPOTS. 
          UM, THEY'RE, UH, UH, WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT, UH, PROGRAMS IN NEW ORLEANS AND, UM, I THINK BOSTON, THERE'S A LOT OF SORT OF DISTRICT BASED PROGRAMS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR A WHILE, THAT HAVE SORT OF THESE DIFFERENT FACETS ATTACHED TO THEM. 
          UH, A LOT OF THEM ARE KIND OF LIKE BROADER KIND OF SPECIAL DISTRICT PROGRAMS THAT YOU, THAT CAN BE KIND OF REFINED TO BE MORE CULTURAL FOCUSED OR MORE, MORE WHATEVER FOCUSED. 
          SO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY LAST QUESTIONS? UM, JUST LOGISTIC, DO YOU NEED TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BOND ELECTION FOR THIS TO HAPPEN? WE DON'T, UH, THIS DOESN'T, THIS CURRENTLY DOES NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING ON THE BOND ELECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HAVE, UH, HAPPY TO . 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS BRILLIANT AND WE'RE SO EXCITED. 
          HEIDI AND I ARE READY TO JUST THROW OUR ARMS AROUND EACH OTHER CUZ WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND THE LAND USE WORKING GROUP THAT'S A JOINT GROUP BETWEEN THESE TWO COMMISSIONS. 
          I, I WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING THE DISTRICTS OR THE OVERLAYS SO THAT THE ZONING CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE. 
          LIKE HOW, HOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WITH COMMUNITY AND YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF REFINE AND DEVELOP THIS YEAR TO GET A PROCESS THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO COUNCIL AND REALLY MEETS THE NEEDS. 
          WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL IN THAT DRAFT PHASE FOR THIS, WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, THE MAIN PRECEDENT WE HAVE FOR A DISTRICT LIKE THAT, UH, IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF HISTORIC, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND HISTORIC 
          [03:00:01]
LANDMARK DISTRICTS. 
          SO THAT HAVING A PROCESS THAT'S SORT OF MODELED ON THAT IS WHAT WE WERE SORT OF THINKING WOULD BE THE MOST KIND OF FEASIBLE AND, AND, AND APPROPRIATE GIVEN EXISTING, UH, AUSTIN PRECEDENT. 
          SO SOMETHING SORT OF, SORT OF LIKE THAT. 
          AND ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREAS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU COULD NAME THEM AS LIKE WITH THE, LIKE SIXTH STREET IS, IS, THERE'RE GONNA BE A LOT OF, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE. 
          UM, THE EAST SIDE OF COURSE IS DEALING WITH SO MANY GENTRIFICATION ISSUES AND I THINK THAT THEY MIGHT WELCOME, HOPEFULLY LIKE A TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT FAVORS, UM, CREATIVE USE THAT ALSO, UM, IS PRESERVATION, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL PRESERVATION ORIENTED. 
          SO ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC AREAS THAT, WELL, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO WHEN WE, WE KIND OF GET THIS IMPLEMENTED FIRST? UH, POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE SOME EXISTING AREAS KIND OF PULLED INTO IT AS JUST AS BY IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT REALLY JUST KIND OF CREATE THE CRITERIA AND THE PROCESS AND THE TOOLS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT SO THAT WE, WE CAN'T REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE, IN THE POSITION OF TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING ON A COMMUNITY OR A NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR PROPERTY OWNERS MM-HMM. 
           WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT INITIATION AND BUY-IN. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE A, WE WANNA MAKE A PROCESS THAT THAT CAN BE USED BY THE COMMUNITY TO DO THIS. 
          WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO TELL ANYONE WHERE IT HAS TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DESIGNATED CULTURAL DISTRICTS, UH, IN THE CITY THAT THIS, THE COUNCIL HAS SORT OF DESIGNATED HIS CULTURAL DISTRICTS WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING THIS KIND OF FRAMEWORK OR OVERLAY COMPONENT TO IT. 
          UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT BE THE FOLKS WHO, WHO ARE ENGAGED IN THAT AND PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS ISN'T THERE, MAY BE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT. 
          UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE COUNCIL DIRECTION AND THE RESOLUTION, I BELIEVE THEY WANT TO SEE, THEY WANNA SEE A CULTURAL DISTRICT IN EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UH, WE CAN'T TELL PEOPLE WHERE THOSE HAVE TO BE, BUT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT KIND OF GETTING THOSE, UH, DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED. 
          AND, AND ALSO JUST AS A QUICK NOTE, UH, FOR WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE WORKING GROUP, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, A LOT OF THAT WORK WENT INTO THE RESOLUTIONS THAT THIS HAPPENED. 
          SO PART OF THE REASON THIS CAN KIND OF MOVE FAST IS THAT Y'ALL DID A LOT OF THE LIFT AND WE ARE TRYING TO TURN WHAT YOU SAID INTO CODE THAT WE CAN RUN, SORRY, TO THIS PREVIOUS YEAH, THAT WAS A, A PREVIOUS ITERATION THAT, THAT WAS A PREVIOUS ITERATION OF THE GROUP. 
          SO DEFINITELY LIKE SHOUT OUT TO THOSE FOLKS. 
          AND SO, UM, WE'VE RECENTLY TRIED TO PICK THAT THREAD BACK UP. 
          GREAT. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT VARIOUS ISSUES ALSO. 
          AND THEY'RE, WE HAVE, UH, MEMBERS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT ARE PART OF THAT WORKING GROUP. 
          AND, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN HOW, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER INCENTIVES CAN BE PART OF THIS SO THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT IT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO YEAH, I'D DEFINITELY SAY THERE'S BROAD SUPPORT, BUT YEAH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WE DON'T WANT TO FORCE THIS ON A COMMUNITY, AND AGAIN, JUST COMING BACK TO THE GENTRIFICATION QUESTION, LIKE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT ACCELERATES GEN GENTRIFICATION IN ANY AREA REALLY WANT THAT. 
          THAT'S COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER INPUTS THAT THEY'RE, WE'RE LISTENING TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING. 
          AND, UM, AFFORDABILITY BEING A PIECE OF THAT I HOPEFULLY IS, WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, IF THAT THAT'S AN OVERRIDING CONCERN THAT IS GONNA HELP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND, AND PART OF THE KIND OF INCENTIVE FRAMEWORK FOR THIS IS NOT JUST, UH, AND IT'S NOT JUST CREATIVE SPACE, IT'S AFFORDABLE SPACE. 
          SO, UM, THE DIRECTION WE HAVE FROM COUNCIL IS PRIMARILY KIND OF FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACE OR CIVIC SPACE AND NOT SO MUCH RESIDENTIAL, BUT WITH THE LIVE WORK AND THE WORK LIVE, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS THAT, THAT CAN BE BROUGHT INTO IT AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, DON. 
          I THINK THIS IS REALLY SETTING A STAGE FOR LIKE, ENABLING SOME REALLY POSITIVE CHANGES THAT, UM, ADDRESS A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. 
          YOU VERY MUCH, WE DON'T MOVE ON, APPROVE THE DEFINITIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT TO APPROVE THE DEFINITIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL FOLD THAT INTO THE LITTLE WOUND USE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           NUMBER FIVE. 
          SO, CUZ WE CAN TAKE A VOTE CUZ IT'S AN ACTION ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM . 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, MOVING 
          [5. Discussion and possible action following briefing by the Land Use Working Group.]
ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, UH, WHICH DOVETAILS PERFECTLY WITH THIS, UH, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOLLOWING BRIEFING BY THE LAND USE WORKING GROUP. 
          SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I JUST DO WANNA FOCUS 
          [03:05:01]
ON THIS, THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION OR THAT WE'VE JUST HAD FOLLOWING WITH THIS BRIEFING FROM STAFF. 
          UH, SO THE LAND USE WORKING GROUP, WE'VE TALKED, UM, WITH, UH, POLICY AID FROM JUAH VAL'S OFFICE. 
          WE'VE TALKED WITH DEVELOPERS, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AMONGST OURSELVES ABOUT HOW TO INCENTIVIZE THIS TYPE OF CREATIVE SPACE. 
          SO THIS REALLY DOES, IT ANSWERS A LOT OF THE PRAYERS  THAT THAT GROUP HAS, HAS HAD. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, I REALLY, SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAS BEEN COVERED IN THIS AND MORE SO, BUT A LOT OF IT'S BEEN LIKE HOW, HOW TO USE, UH, SPACE IN THE BOTTOM OF VERTICAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST A LOT OF THOSE SPACES SYN SIT VACANT ARE THEY KIND OF HAVE A CHURN AND BURN WITH TENANTS. 
          SO HOW COULD THAT BE USED FOR, UM, CREATIVE GROUPS? HOW CAN THAT USAGE BE CODIFIED INTO THE ZONING? THE WAY THAT THAT PARKLAND OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE, ARE NOW CURRENTLY PART OF SOME TYPES OF ZONING SO THAT THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BONUS DENSITY BONUSES GIVEN THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE MORE A FLORIDA AREA RATIO. 
          I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW THAT RATIO WORKS. 
          SO MAYBE MORE IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT A, A MORE, UM, ATTRACTIVE FLORIDA AR AREA RATIO FOR THE BUILDER. 
          MORE HEIGHT. 
          UM, SO ON THAT NOTE, UH, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMISSIONER ? YEAH. 
          UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEFINITIONS PROPOSED BY THE, UH, BY OUR PRESENTERS IN THE URBAN LAND USE. 
          I WILL MOVE SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MOCK. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, UH, I, I I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT. 
          THE CITY COUNCILS VOTE ON IT IN JUNE MEETING. 
          I THINK IT IS GOOD TO HAVE A SUPPORT FROM BOTH COMMISSION. 
          SO I SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? DO YOU NEED A SECOND FROM THE MUSIC COMMISSION TOO? OR DO WE, YOU MIGHT NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM MUSIC. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I'M MO I'M MOTION, UH, THAT THE MUSIC COMMISSION, UH, ACCEPTS THE DEFINITIONS PRESENTED BY STAFF TODAY FOR THIS, UH, CREATIVE LAND USE ZONING. 
          I SECOND ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH. 
          THE BOAT IS UNANIMOUS. 
          YEP. 
          LET IT BE KNOWN. 
          SUPER  . 
          THANK YOU DON AND DAVID FOR BEING HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY IMPORTANT WORK AND IMPACTFUL AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT ROLLOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S TREMENDOUS. 
          I'M GONNA DEFER TO YOU GUYS AS MEMBERS OF THAT WORKING GROUP. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE WANT TO, UH, DISCUSS OR UPDATE THE, UPDATE THE UNIT? DON WE'LL CALL YOU TO COME TO HANG TO COME TO THE WORKING GROUP, SO, SO WE CAN TALK THROUGH SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS AND I'LL STAY IN TOUCH ABOUT TIMELINE AND WHAT YOU NEED FROM US. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          SHE KNOWS HOW TO FIND YOU . 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT WE CAN MOVE ON OR WERE, WERE THAT THE THINGS YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS? YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO I'M, NOW I'M GONNA JUST GIVE A GENERAL UPDATE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING ON THAT GROUP. 
          SO YES, THAT, THAT'S A HUGE PART OF IT. 
          UM, IT'S SO EXCITING AND WE, I JUST WANNA SAY WE'VE APPROVED THOSE DEFINITIONS. 
          THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE PROBABLY MORE PRESENTATIONS ON THIS OPPORTUNITIES TO FINE TUNE CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I, I THINK IT SPEAKS, UM, THIS, HAVING THIS GROUP IN THIS UNIFIED WAY SUPPORT COME TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THIS IS VERY POWERFUL FOR, UM, COUNCIL TO KNOW. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO SEND A NOTE TODAY OR TOMORROW OR MONDAY TO YOUR COUNCIL PERSON AND BE LIKE, HEY, WE DID THIS IN THIS JOINT MEETING ON SATURDAY. 
          WE'RE VERY EXCITED, THIS MUCH NEEDED. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND TREATS CULTURAL USES WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE AS OTHER SUBSIDIES THAT ARE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, IN REAL ESTATE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES AND SO ON. 
          THE CULTURE IS AN IMPORTANT INDUSTRY HERE AS WELL. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE NURTURED. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO A COUP I'LL TOUCH A LITTLE BIT BRIEFLY ON A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, OR DISCUSSING. 
          SO WE WILL BE TRACKING THE I 35 POTENTIAL CAP AND STITCH PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA PRESENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPACE USAGE. 
          HEIDI AS SERVES ON A ADVISORY GROUP FOR THAT. 
          SO SHE'S, UM, GONNA LET US KNOW WHEN IT'S REALLY TIME FOR OUR TEAM TO, TO 
          [03:10:01]
DIVE IN. 
          BUT THERE'S, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IN THE NEWS, LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S THINGS ARE NOT, THINGS ARE SO A LITTLE AMORPHOUS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING OUR GROUP WILL BE TACKLING WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, CAITLIN RYAN FROM STREAM REALTY A LITTLE BIT, UH, SELENA, YOU, YOU ACTUALLY SELENA'S NOT CURRENTLY ON THE GROUP CUZ SHE WAS BRIEFLY AND THEN HAD A A GAZI OTHER THINGS. 
          SHE'S DOING , BUT SHE COMMUNICATED WITH CAITLIN THIS WEEK. 
          I DID, YEAH. 
          I SENT HER AN EMAIL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A VERY, UM, ENERGETIC AND OPTIMISTIC PRESENTATION FROM THEM, UH, PROBABLY SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN ALL OF THIS WAS BEING INITIATED. 
          BIG PROMISES ARE BEING MADE. 
          THIS IS SIXTH STREET? YES. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          SIXTH. 
          YEAH, SIXTH STREET. 
          UM, IT'S EXTREME REALTY. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE PURCHASED QUITE A FEW SPACES ALONG SIXTH STREET, ONE OF WHICH BEING ELUNA RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER, UM, BY CASINO EL CAMINO. 
          UM, WITH A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND AFFORDABILITY AND PERFORMANCE SPACE, UM, AND BRINGING IN LOCAL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST BRINGING IN OUTSIDE BUSINESS FOR RESTAURATEURS, BUT ACTUALLY CREATING SPACE FOR LOCAL, UH, RESTAURANTS TO AND REINVIGORATE THAT SPACE AND BE ABLE TO HOLD, UM, PRESENCE IN AUSTIN. 
          THE EMAIL BACK WAS VERY BRIEF. 
          I BASICALLY JUST ASKED HER FOR AN UPDATE BEING THAT IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW MONTHS AND SHE SAID THAT THERE WASN'T MUCH TO REPORT, BUT THAT, UM, TO CIRCLE BACK MID-SUMMER AND IDEALLY WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM HER THEN. 
          SO SHE'S BEING COMMUNICATIVE. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AN UPDATE IN PERSON THAT WE CAN GET AS, UM, COMMISSIONS AS A WHOLE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO OUR WORKING GROUP WILL STAY ON TOP OF THAT AND IN TOUCH WITH HER. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, LIKE THAT DEVELOPMENT I THINK COULD LIKELY TIE INTO SOME OF THIS ZONING. 
          AND MAY I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT'S ALL TIMELINES, RIGHT? BUT, UM, THE IDEA OF THE WORK AND THAT SORT OF THING COULD BE REALLY EXCITING ON SIXTH STREET, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY WANNA SEE THAT, THAT THAT REDEVELOPMENT SINCE IT'S SO ICONIC AND IT'S IN THE HEART OF AUSTIN, THAT, THAT IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE, THE CULTURAL AND MUSIC COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE CULTURAL AND MUSIC COMMUNITIES ARE CERTAINLY A BENEFIT TO THE AREA. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THAT SUCH VALUABLE REAL ESTATE TO BEGIN WITH. 
          UM, CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SIXTH STREET? YEAH. 
          UM, THAT DEVELOPMENT ON SIXTH STREET WILL BE VERY INTIMATELY TIED TO WHATEVER HAPPENS ON INTERSTATE 35 MM-HMM. 
          , AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW AT WHAT STAGES WE ARE, I KNOW THEY'RE ALREADY STARTING WORK ON THE NORTHERN PART OF 35 AND DOWNTOWN IS NEXT. 
          UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, I'VE, I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH YOU A BIT, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO STAY ON TOP OF THAT. 
          YEAH, SO GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE TECH DOT PROJECT, WHICH IS THE EXPANSION, AND AMY'S ALSO ON THE SAME ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WE'RE ALWAYS, UH, FANGIRLING FOR THE ARTS. 
          SO YOU'RE  WE'LL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE COVERAGE, BUT THE, THE, THE TE THE TECH DOT EXPANSION IS A DIF THAT IS TECH DOT. 
          THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE CITY THE PART THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND WE CAN ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S NECESSARY. 
          I THINK A LOT OF US ON THE COMMITTEE ARE NOT FOR THE EXPANSION OF I 35. 
          WE ARE FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THAT IS HAPPENING TO CREATE LIKE A POTENTIAL WITH THESE CAP AND STITCHES THAT GO ACROSS. 
          UM, THAT'LL ESSENTIALLY, I'M STILL IN DISBELIEF THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I'M BEING OPTIMISTIC THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WALK EAST TO WEST FOR LARGE PORTIONS OF WHAT IS NOW I 35. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S AN AMAZING POSSIBILITY. 
          AND, AND IN OUR GROUP WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY LOW LOWRISE SORT OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF ENGINEERING STUFF AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ON A, IT'S ON A CAP, SO WE DON'T WANT THE BUILDINGS TO FALL TO THE GROUND, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY AMAZING OPPORTUNITY FOR CULTURAL SPACE AND, UM, PROGRAMMING FOR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DECADES TO COME. 
          YEAH, WE, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE ON TOP OF IT BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OVER 11 ACRES OF CAP, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SPACE. 
          IT'S GOING TO RECLAIM WITH THE CAPSTONE STAGES AND, AND, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE AMAZING. 
          AND WE HAVE DONE SOME EXERCISE ON HOW IT'S LIKE, SO PERFORMING SPACE IS DEFINITELY IN THE MAKING. 
          SO ME AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE ON TOP OF IT. 
           DON'T WORRY. 
          AND I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THE NEED FOR CULTURAL SPACE. 
          WE WANT IT. 
          AND I'LL SAY THAT THE, THE TIMELINE, WE DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW THOSE WILL ALIGN THE CAP AND SEARCH PROJECT. 
          I THINK WHAT IS THE PROJECTED DATE OF 2027. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN STREAM 
          [03:15:01]
REALTY, I MEAN, IT COULD, COULD OVERLAP DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, SUPPLY CHAIN AND HOWEVER QUICKLY THEY'RE GETTING ACCOMPLISHED. 
          BUT THOSE THINGS MIGHT NOT QUITE BE IN PARALLEL. 
          WELL, AND ALSO, UH, STREAM'S, GOALS FOR THE CAP AND STITCH MIGHT NOT BE IN PARALLEL WITH OURS AS WELL. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , GIVEN HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE, UH, THEY CAN MAKE THEIR GOALS FELT VERY EFFECTIVELY. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLD, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? WELL, IT'S, IT'S SLIGHTLY TANGENTIAL, BUT RELEVANT , UM, UH, BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, LIKE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE AND, UH, THE FACT THAT IT'S, UM, IT'S CURRENTLY PRETTY DIFFICULT AND, UM, CONFUSING TO, UH, LIKE ALL OF THE PERMITTING AND THINGS AROUND DOING, UM, PERFORMANCES OUTDOORS, ESPECIALLY LIKE SMALL GRASSROOTS, REALLY LIKE INFORMAL ONES THAT DON'T REQUIRE LIKE INSURANCE AND PORTA POTS AND THE WHOLE KITTEN CABOODLE. 
          UM, LIKE IF SOMEONE JUST WANTS TO GO DOWN THERE AND BUS, YOU KNOW, UM, OR IF, UM, SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT ON A PARADE, UH, BECAUSE WHO DOESN'T LOVE A PARADE ? UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND I KNOW LIKE ONE OF THE REASONS, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HONK STOPPED HAVING A PARADE ON ON THEIR SUNDAY IS BECAUSE THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS SO, UM, I THINK THERE, THERE, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES AROUND IT, BUT UM, THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS JUST SO CUMBERSOME. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO, TO PLANT THE SEED THAT AS WE START TO HAVE, I MEAN I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS IN MORE EXISTING SPACES AS WELL, BUT AS WE START TO HAVE MORE, UM, POTENTIAL PERFORMANCE SPACE OUTDOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE FIGURE OUT WAYS TO STREAMLINE, UM, THE EASE OF PEOPLE DOING SPONTANEOUS, INFORMAL AND FORMAL IN ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PERFORMANCES IN THOSE KIND OF SPACES. 
          CUZ THAT'S WHAT REALLY, THAT'S WHAT REALLY ENGAGES THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ALL. 
          I ACTUALLY THINK I STILL HAVE A RECORDING OF OUR NOW MAYOR SAYING HE WANTED TO SEE THAT GET SIMPLER AND SOME THINGS NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING AT ALL. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AS RECENT IN THE LAST YEAR. 
          SO LET'S SEE IF IT HAPPENS. 
          BUT I HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE THE MUSIC COMMISSIONERS CAN ANSWER. 
          UM, I WENT TO SCHOOL IN BOSTON AND WE HAVE THIS STREET CORNER MUSICIANS JUST START, YOU KNOW, DRUMMING UP ON THE, ON THE SUBWAY AND ALL THAT. 
          ARE THEY, UH, ARE THEY AGAINST THE LAW HERE? NO, NO. 
          YOU CAN STILL DO IT, RIGHT? JUST OPEN UP YOUR GUITAR BOX AND START. 
          I THINK, I THINK ERICA'S GONNA CLARIFY THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          , I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          YES. 
          SO A BUSKING, A TRADITIONAL BUSKING IS A, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT FREE SPEECH. 
          SO IT IS ALLOWED, YOU JUST CAN'T BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, IMPOSE A DANGER TO ANYONE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UH, AND IF ALSO JUST PLEASE LISTEN TO ANY, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT IF THEY MAKE A REQUEST TO HAVE YOU MOVE OR WHATEVER. 
          SO NO, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL. 
          IT IS YOUR RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY FURTHER, UH, IS THAT UNPLED? YES, UNPLED, UH, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN THAT OUT THERE. 
          AND SO THAT'S UP TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO WORK WITH WHOEVER THAT IS AMPLIFIED. 
          BUT, UH, YES, AN UNPLED, ACTUALLY ALL OF OUR, THE, UH, RULES ARE ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          IF YOU GO TO ATX MUSIC.ORG AND CLICK ON THE PERMITS BUTTON, YOU CAN LEARN ALL KINDS OF STUFF. 
          ONE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT, THAT IS THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT IN A PARK. 
          THERE ARE, THERE IS A PERMIT COMPLICATIONS, NOT A COMPLICATION. 
          THERE IS A VERY INEXPENSIVE PERMIT. 
          SO I THINK ABOUT $10 A DAY THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT REQUIRES, AGAIN, THAT THERE'S A LINK, UH, AT THE PERMITS PAGE. 
          BUT IT'S, THAT TAKES A LOT OF THE SPONTANEITY OUT OF IT AND RIGHT. 
          YOU HAVE TO REALLY PLAN, LIKE, AS A PERSON WHO WANTED TO GO AND DO SOMETHING WITH THE BAND, LIKE, OH, WE'RE FREE THIS TIME, LET'S GO OUT AND DO THIS IN THIS PARK AND DO THIS THING. 
          AND I LOOKED AT THAT PROCESS AND I WAS LIKE, NEVERMIND. 
          WELL, LET ME KNOW. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          IF THAT IS AN ISSUE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST COORDINATE WITH OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FOLKS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHY AND IF, WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          GOOD. 
          SAME DAY PERMITTING. 
          SAME DAY PERMIT. 
          OH, SAME HOUR, LIKE HAPPY MOMENTS. 
          UM, I, I DO JUST WANT TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT THE TIME WE ARE NEARING THREE O'CLOCK. 
          THIS MEETING IS TO SET, UH, 
          [03:20:01]
IS TO CLOSE AT THREE 30 AND ALARMS WILL GO OFF AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THIS BUILDING IF WE HAVE NOT VACATED. 
          SO I WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE GETTING THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS SO 60 SECONDS . 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, SO JUST KEEPING US, UM, AWARE OF TIME. 
          UH, SO TH THIS IS THE LAST, UM, MAJOR ITEM THAT THIS WORKING GROUP IS TACKLING RIGHT NOW. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A SOMEWHAT NARROW FO FOCUS, YOU KNOW, CUZ OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SO MANY LAND USE THINGS WE COULD TALK ABOUT SO MUCH STUFF, BUT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THINGS WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AND NOT SPREAD OURSELVES TOOTH DOWN. 
          SO, UM, A FOURTH ITEM IS THE CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION. 
          UH, SO TWO THINGS ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, ON ONE, ONE PART OF THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IS THE FINANCIALS. 
          TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE, THE FOUR YEAR CLOSURE COULD IMPACT HOT REVENUE AND ALSO HOW THE, THE DEBT INCURRED FROM THE, THE BILLION PLUS DOLLAR EXPANSION. 
          LIKE, IS, IS THAT, IS THAT FEASIBLE? WILL IT WIND UP EATING INTO THE HOT FUND? SO THAT GO TO, TO CULTURAL ART. 
          SO WE JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THE, THE USE OF SPACE ITSELF. 
          CAN IT BE USED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE MUSIC AND ARTS COMMUNITIES AND JUST PUBLIC BENEFIT GENERALLY. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT THE SPECIFIC PLANS ARE AND THE SPECIFIC FINANCIALS. 
          AND, UH, COMMISSIONER GOLD HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER TEAM, BUT WE'RE, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SHORT ON HER HAVING SUCCESS WITH THAT. 
          , WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED TOMORROW, . 
          YAY. 
          NOT TOMORROW. 
          MONDAY. 
          OH, I WAS LIKE SUNDAY, MONDAY. 
          NOT SUNDAY. 
          SUNDAY, MONDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MONDAY. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL THAT IS GREAT NEWS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. 
          UH, YEAH, SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S ON THAT WORKING GROUP, HEIDI OR A C YEAH. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, JUST ONE THING TO ADD, CUZ I KNOW WE KIND OF DISCUSSED IT NOT ONLY HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE HOT, HOT FUNDS, BUT ALSO HOW IT WOULD WILL AFFECT LOCAL ARTIST VENUES BECAUSE WHATEVER USUALLY HAPPENS AT THE CONVENTION CENTER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO JUST HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT PRODUCTION ON A LOCAL LEVEL. 
          AND HOW DO YOU FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, BECAUSE THEY'RE, I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HOW THEY'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF WHAT'S COMING IN OR THEY'RE NOT COMING IN, WHATEVER DOES HAPPEN EITHER WAY. 
          BUT IF THEY DO STILL PROGRAM THINGS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THINGS TO DIFFERENT VENUES, WHICH AFFECTS LOCAL PRODUCTION. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND SORT OF ON THAT NOTE, FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT, AND THIS WOULD BE PART OF THE BENEFIT THAT I MENTIONED, THAT HOW IF THEY HAVE THIS CAPTIVE AUDIENCE, UH, IN THE NEW SPACE, LIKE CAN THERE BE SOME REDOUBLE OR REALLY ROBUST EFFORTS TO DIRECT, UH, THEIR ATTENDEES TO LOCAL EVENTS IN A, IN A METHODICAL WAY SO THAT, THAT THAT GROUP GOES OUT AND ENJOYS ALL THE, THE OFFERINGS LOCALLY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY, I JUST WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK, I'M SORRY, I KNOW I'M TAKING TOO LONG, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS IN TWO STAGES. 
          CONSTRUCTION AND THE PLAN. 
          UHHUH  THE PICTURE OF WHAT THEY WANNA SEE HAPPEN AND ONE HAPPENS BEFORE THE OTHER. 
          RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT STEPPING OVER SOME THINGS THAT WILL AFFECT US SOONER THAN LATER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE MEETING ONCE A MONTH. 
          UM, IF ANYBODY WANTS, IS DYING FOR ANOTHER MEETING, YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE WELCOME, JUST HIT ME UP. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU THE ZOOM LINK AND YOU CAN JOIN AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BE HAVING DON COME IN AND TALK. 
          UH, BUT THOSE HAVE BEEN REALLY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS SO FAR. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT COVERS OUR UPDATE. 
          SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG. 
          SUPER. 
          SO, UM, MOVING 
          [6. Discussion and possible action on Cultural Arts Division and Music & Entertainment Division funding programs.]
ON TO ITEM SIX. 
          THIS, I WANTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, UH, AS A GROUP BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING UNIFIED VOICE TO COUNCIL. 
          AND SO 
          [7. Discussion and possible action on annual budget recommendations.]
IN REFERENCE TO BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WANTING TO BE ALIGNED THIS YEAR, ARTS WAS A LITTLE BEHIND ON OUR TIMELINE. 
          UM, BUT I, IN DISCUSSION WITH THE CHAIRS, THERE WAS PLENTY OF OVERLAP. 
          BUT I THINK MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, YOU KNOW, SUBSEQUENT YEARS, UM, WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH BUDGET RE BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS, BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO HA BE TRANSLATING THE SAME MESSAGE TO OUR COUNCIL TO, UM, CITY STAFF, UM, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME THINGS. 
          I KNOW MUSIC HAS SUBMITTED, UH, YOUR BUDGET ASKS, AND I HAVE THAT LIST HERE. 
          I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH IT REALLY QUICKLY. 
          ORGANIZATIONAL FUNDING FOR A E D C, THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT ARTS IS ASKING FOR FUNDING FOR THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT PROJECT FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND OUR HOT OUTSIDE OF THE LIVE MUSIC FUND. 
          FUNDING FOR THE MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION, MUSIC PERFORMANCE PROGRAM, UM, ESTABLISHMENT OF A RAINY DAY DISASTER FUND FOR MUSICIANS 
          [03:25:01]
AND MUSIC WORKERS. 
          UH, SHOULD GIGS BE CANCELED FOR MUSIC. 
          I'M SORRY FOR ARTS. 
          WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT OUR RETREAT ABOUT A MONTH AGO WAS, UM, UH, OKAY, SORRY. 
          LET ME JUST GET, UH, ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR ED D TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNICATIONS AND DATA, UM, KPI DEMANDS OF THE PROGRAMS THAT SERVE CREATIVE AND CULTURAL COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO SPECIFICALLY ONE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM MEMBER AND ONE DATA TEAM MEMBER, UH, DUBBED AS A BUSINESS PROCESS SPECIALIST FUNDING TO UPDATE, UH, TO SUPPORT THE UPDATE OF THE CULTURAL ASSET MAPPING PROJECT WITH CURRENT AND MORE DETAILED DATA POINTS, UM, FOR USE IN CAPITAL PLANNING, AEDC AND OTHER SPACE RELATED USES AND INITIATIVES. 
          AND THEN FUNDING TO SUPPORT THE ECONO AUSTIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THAT WAS SENT OUT IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING. 
          I JUST WANNA GET AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          THIS IS, WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AT OUR MARCH MEETING. 
          WE'RE ALREADY A LITTLE LATE TO SUBMIT THIS, SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE THIS ON RECORD THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO. 
          DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THESE THINGS OR CAN WE SUBMIT? YES, TECHNICALLY YES. 
          SO FOR MY ARTS , THANK YOU. 
          UM, FOR MY ARTS FOLKS, GIVEN THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN THE BACKUP, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT. 
          DO WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD TAKE A VOTE TO, I I LIKE TO MOVE SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING OUR ARTS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          VOTE IS UNANIMOUS. 
          SO WE'LL GET THOSE FORMALIZED. 
          AND TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WHO WAS THE SECOND I HAD MOCK AND, AND GRAY AND THANK YOU, JESUS. 
          OKAY, WONDERFUL. 
          UM, YEAH, NOT MUCH MORE TO DO OR ADDRESSED WITH THAT REGARD. 
          JUST IN THAT LEG, WE'RE GONNA BE COLLABORATING SO MUCH YOU GUYS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE GREAT. 
          UM, COUNCIL'S GONNA BE SICK OF US. 
          AND TO TAP INTO SOMETHING THAT, AND CHARLOTTE MENTIONED, UM, EARLY ON IN THE DISCUSSION FOR LAND USE, WHEN WE'RE COMMUNICATING TO COUNCIL, LIKE, CC YOUR BUDDY, WE, WE NOW KNOW EACH OTHER MORE INTIMATELY. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, USE THAT DISTRICT PAIRING AS A SUPPORTIVE TEAMWORK, YOU KNOW, WORK TOGETHER ON LANGUAGE. 
          YOU HAVE THE SAME COUNCIL PERSON. 
          UH, I THINK HEARING FROM EITHER TWO SEPARATE EMAILS OR ONE EMAIL WITH PEOPLE CC'D, I THINK IT'S A GOOD STRATEGY FOR US. 
          DOUBLE TEAM. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          OH, I'M SO SORRY YOU GUYS. 
          I GOT SIX AND SEVEN CONFUSED, BUT ROBERTS RULES ARE OUT THE DOOR, SO I CAN DO WHAT I PLEASE. 
          UM, I HAVE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION AND MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION FUNDING PROGRAMS. I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE HAD A VERY IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION REGARDING THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE US TO BE THINKING COLLABORATIVELY AND WORKING TOGETHER MUCH MORE CLOSELY AS WE MOVE THROUGH. 
          THIS. 
          ARTS IS GONNA BE PROMOTING MUSIC PROGRAMMING. 
          WE'RE HELPING MUSIC, WE'RE GONNA BE AS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT ARTS PROGRAMMING. 
          WE, WE'VE BEEN SHOWN THE OVERLAP IN THOSE AREAS AND TIMELINES. 
          UM, WE'RE ALL COMING FROM THE E E D UM, OR E D D UMBRELLA. 
          SO COLLABORATION, COLLABORATION, COLLABORATION, UM, 
          [8. Discussion and possible action on strategy to better support arts and culture service organizations.]
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON STRATEGY TO BETTER SUPPORT ARTS AND CULTURE SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UM, A WHOLE THAT WE FOUND IN OUR PROGRAMMING WAS THAT OUR SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS AREN'T NECESSARILY CONSIDERED, UM, AS SPECIFICALLY MAYBE AS THEY SHOULD BE. 
          AND SO THIS, THIS ITEM EIGHT, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO A, AN IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO BRING TO THE FOREFRONT. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT TALA, UH, TEXAS ACCOUNTS AND LAWYERS FOR THE ARTS. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT HAM, I'M TALKING ABOUT SIMS. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NONPROFITS THAT ARE OUT THERE AREN'T PUT, THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY PRODUCING PROGRAMMING, BUT THEY ARE A VITAL RESOURCE TO OUR ECOSYSTEM. 
          AND WHAT CAN WE DO AS A UNIT AS THESE COMMISSIONS TO, TO GO TO COUNCIL? UM, WHAT CAN WE STRATEGIZE? AND MAYBE THIS TAKES A WORKING GROUP THAT WE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, INITIATING AT A LATER DATE, UH, OR WE STARTED TODAY. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING MORE CRITICALLY ON HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AS COM THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE AS COMPETITIVE IN THESE GRANT PROGRAMMING SPACES AS OTHER ONES. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          AND THAT ARE FUNDED FROM HA YES. 
          COMMISS MA MAY, MAYBE AT OUR MEETING WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHO ARE THEM MM-HMM. 
           SO THAT WHEN WE TALK TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS MM-HMM. 
           WE CAN PARTICULARLY INTELLIGENTLY. 
          YES. 
          YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I THINK HAVING A FULLY BAKED STRATEGY OR PLAN OR PROPOSAL IS THE WAY TO GO. 
          UM, LET'S JUST TAKE A TEMPERATURE TRACK. 
          DO WE WANNA CREATE A WORKING GROUP AS, UH, OR SHOULD WE WAIT TILL NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BIGGER COMMISSION PRESENCE? I WONDER IF THIS COULD BE, I WONDER IF THIS COULD BE LIKE A, A SUB, A BULLET POINT IN THE, UM, IN THE FUNDING WORKING GROUP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          I GUESS THAT'S NOT A JOINT WORKING GROUP THOUGH. 
          IT, IT ISN'T A JOINT, BUT I THINK, BUT IT COULD BE, AGAIN, IT COULD BE CROSSOVER. 
          IT WAS WHEN IT WAS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. 
          YES. 
          [03:30:01]
UM, LET'S DEFER TO THE CHAIRS OF THE MUSIC COMMISSION. 
          DO YOU GUYS HAVE A WORKING GROUP WHERE THIS COULD EASILY FIT UNDER TO AVOID HAVING TO START A NEW WORKING GROUP? UH, NO. 
          I DON'T. 
          WELL, COULD FOLLOW BUDGET BOND LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT CHAIR BOND WORKING GROUP THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE COULD JUST KEEP THE OWN. 
          YEAH. 
          WE COULD, WE COULD PUT IT UNDER THAT UMBRELLA. 
          WE HAVE A BUDGET AND BOND RECOGNIZE. 
          YEAH. 
          CAUSE I THINK IF WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE WORK, YOU KNOW, FILING THIS UNDER EXISTING WORKING GROUPS AND THEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONS, WE CAN AT LEAST CREATE A DATABASE OR A DIRECTORY, GET AN ASSESSMENT OF, UM, HOW MANY ORGANIZATIONS WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT YEP. 
          AND WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY DO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE A HANDFUL THAT DID APPLY FOR THRIVE THAT DIDN'T RECEIVE THRIVE FUNDING, SO THAT'LL GIVE US, UM, A JUMPING OFF POINT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UM, FROM A RATIONALE PERSPECTIVE LIKE IT, MA TO ME AT LEAST IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT, LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT PROGRAMMING AND LIKE WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE HOT FUNDS COME FROM AND WHAT THE INTENTION IS AROUND, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMMING THAT ATTRACT THAT IS OBVIOUSLY ACCESSIBLE TO TOURISM, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          THAT'S NOT THE MISSION OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND MAKE WORK HERE AND TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH OF THE ECOSYSTEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THE HEALTH OF, IN THE CASE OF HAM. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          LITERALLY THE HEALTH OF INDIVIDUALS. 
          SO I, IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO ME, THAT THAT IS A CATEGORY OF A REQUEST, WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS VERY SPECIFICALLY SHOULDN'T BE PART OF HOT. 
          LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING SEPARATE TO SUPPORT SUCH ORGANIZATIONS. 
          I I, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT THOUGH. 
          I MEAN, JUST, JUST A LITTLE YEAH. 
          NOT DEPRIVING THEM OF HOT FUNDS. 
          I'M NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT EITHER. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE, THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THEY EXIST AND THEY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY'RE AROUND BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO SURVIVE THE ECOSYSTEM. 
          I MEAN, THEY, THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY. 
          UM, AND, AND I MEAN, THEIR JOB IS TO MAKE MONEY SO THAT THEY CAN GIVE IT TO ARTISTS AND PEOPLE THAT NEED IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE ARE SPREAD SO THIN. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN, IF THEY NEED OR WANT ACCESS TO SOME OF THESE FUNDS, OR, I MEAN, THEY, THEY KNOW WHO TO REACH OUT TO. 
          THEY KNOW WHO TO TALK TO TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO GET THEM IN. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY, I DON'T THINKS ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE HOW, HOW TO SPECIFIC IT, IT'S PRETTY RIGID AND HOW IT CAN BE APPLIED. 
          SURE. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF HOT. 
          WE'RE NOT SAYING HAVING THEM HAVING A, DESIGNING SOMETHING THAT CUTS INTO WHAT IS ALREADY VERY LIMITED FUNDING. 
          RIGHT. 
          THIS COULD BE A LINE ITEM. 
          THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE LARGER BUDGET. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THESE NON-PROFITS ARE STILL COMPETING FOR FUNDS THE SAME WAY THAT THE OTHER NONPROFITS IN OUR ECOSYSTEM ARE FIGHTING. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT HAM SERVES X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. 
          SURE. 
          BUT IT'S DOUBLE OF THAT ON THE WAITING LIST, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
           AND I'VE, I WAS SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN A HAM MEMBER FOR 10 PLUS YEARS. 
          I'VE SEEN THE BENEFITS DWINDLE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING, IT'S A, IT'S A WIDER AND NOT DEEPER INVESTMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH I'M FOR, BUT YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH, NO, I'M, I THINK I'M SAYING JUST ABOUT THE SAME THING. 
          I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, AND IT'S NOT IN THAT PRODUCTION ELEMENT OF HOT FUNDS. 
          AND I FEEL REALLY STRONGLY, ALTHOUGH WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON IT, BUT IT WOULD BE A BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR THE, FOR THE CITY BUDGET, BUT MAYBE NOT THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT WITH A LOT OF THOUGHT BEHIND IT FOR NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE THAT IS ON A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SUPPORT AND WE CAN'T LOSE IT. 
          SURE. 
          AND I'M NOT JUST, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT DISCUSSING HOT FUNDS AT ALL. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, I MEAN, FOR HAM FOR INSTANCE, THEY, I MEAN, THEY, UM, ARE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXTREMELY SUSTAINABLE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, THEY ARE AN EXTREMELY SUSTAINABLE ORGANIZATION. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED, THEY, THEY CAN'T COVER IT, BUT THEY CAN ALSO OPT OUT OF SUPPORT, RIGHT? THEY CAN. 
          YES. 
          SO THIS, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING IF THEY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PROGRAMS AND WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION FREQUENTLY, THAT THERE ARE LARGE SCALE NONPROFITS THAT HAVE OPTED OUT OF OUR CULTURAL ARTS FUNDING ECOSYSTEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SUSTAINED HIGHLY SUSTAINABLE, THEY HAVE THE FUNDERS AND THEY DON'T WANNA COMPETE WITH THE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA BESTOW LARGE SUMS OF MONEY ON PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING FOR IT OR NOT, BUT WE HAVE, UH, ORGANIZA SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS, SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR ECOSYSTEM THAT DO NEED SUPPORT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE BIG THING. 
          AND DISABILITY IS A BIG ONE, BIG LINE ITEM ON A SERVICE ORGANIZATION. 
          THERE ARE, ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT, UM, IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, BUT AROUND THE PAR PERFORMING ARTS AND THE IN EDUCATIONAL ARTS THAT ARE TRULY SUFFERING FROM LOSS OF HOTBED FUNDS OR HOTBED, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND OR 
          [03:35:01]
JUST COVID IN GENERAL, AND JUST HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN SHIFTED. 
          UM, AND WE JUST HAVE TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE, ARE SERVING NOT ONLY THE ARTISTS, BUT THE, BUT THE POPULATION IN GENERAL THAT, THAT, THAT PRODUCING ORGANIZATIONS ARE NOT, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE THIS DATA THAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I WILL TABLE THIS FOR LATER, BUT YEAH. 
          LET'S, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. 
          LET'S DO IT. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, SO DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD WITHIN WORKING GROUPS THAT ARE EXISTING, WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT A CHECKPOINT. 
          THE CHAIRS MEET MONTHLY AFTER OUR MEETINGS. 
          SO WE CAN BE THE SORT OF GENERAL CONTACT POINT FOR THIS CONVERSATION. 
          AND MAYBE IT ISN'T A NEED, BUT I THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION WORTH HA UH, WORTH HAVING. 
          AND I THINK SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, WE'VE SEEN THEM INEVITABLY BE EXCLUDED FROM FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE. 
          UM, 
          [9. Discussion and possible action on short term rentals as they relate to Hotel Occupancy Tax fund collections.]
NEXT WE HAVE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS A, THIS IS A SPICY ONE, YOU GUYS . 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE, WE HAVE LIKE PROBABLY 10 MINUTES. 
          AND THIS IS NOT TO HAVE AN IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION. 
          THIS IS TO CREATE CONSENSUS AND TO INITIATE FURTHER CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS THEY RELATE TO HO TO OCCUPANCY TAX FUND COLLECTIONS. 
          I ALMOST WANNA TOSS THIS TO HEIDI. 
          I, WHO WANTS TO STOP? NO IDEA. 
          I HAVE SAID PREVIOUSLY THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A COUNCIL THING AND THAT WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE IT UP. 
          THAT'S BEEN MY ARGUMENTS. 
          AGAIN, I THINK HAVING A UNIFIED VOICE YEAH. 
          TO COMMUNICATE TO COUNSEL. 
          THIS IS AN ISSUE. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING MONEY LEFT ON THE TABLE. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE A RESOLUTION. 
          WE HAVE INDIVIDUALLY HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH A PLETHORA OF PEOPLE. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF, UM, NOT OUR STAFF, BUT CITY STAFF TO FURTHER EXPLAIN TO US WHY THIS IS, LIKE, I'VE DUBBED THE BRUNO OF OUR COMMISSIONS. 
          YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND, UM, ULTIMATELY THERE'S NO CLARIFICATION THERE. 
          SO EVEN IF IT'S TO HAVE A MESSAGE AND A REQUEST THAT GOES UP THE CHAIN, I THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING INSTEAD OF US THROWING OUR HANDS IN THE AIR AND SAYING, YES, IT'S NOT OUR, IT'S NOT OUR MONKEY, IT'S NOT OUR CIRCUS. 
          SO IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM TO FIX, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION ON IT. 
          COMMISSIONER MARK. 
          YES. 
          UM, ARE WE TALK, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY COLLECTING? MM-HMM. 
           THOSE MONEY ARE NOT, ARE NOT PART OF THE HOT FUND YEAH. 
          THAT WE SHOULD, UH, WE SHOULD TAP INTO. 
          I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. 
          SO THE PROBLEM IS, I UNDERSTAND IT AND AS WAS DISCUSSED WITH US WHEN BY AIRBNB REPRESENTATIVES, IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNLICENSED SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN, IN AUSTIN. 
          THEY DO SEND, THEY SEND, THEY DO SEND THEIR HOT FUNDS TO THE STATE. 
          THEY SEND THEIR TAXES, BUT HERE, LIKE, THEY'RE UNREGISTERED. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GETTING THE HOT FUNDS. 
          THE CITY'S NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW, REALLY MAKING A, A BIG PUSH TO REGISTER THEM. 
          SO IT'S JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OPERATING ILLEGALLY, WE'RE LOSING OUT OF THE MONEY. 
          AND, AND THERE'S NO, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY KIND OF FORWARD MOVEMENT TO EITHER LIKE, SAY, LIKE, OKAY, NO, YOU CAN'T OPERATE, OR YES, YOU CAN OPERATE, BUT GIVE US YOUR HOT TAXES OR, OR MAKE A BROADER PLAN WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL IN THIS, THIS NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS AGREED THAT YOU, WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, 10% OF ITS NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE SDRS. 
          THAT MIGHT BE REALLY HIGH, BUT THEY'RE JUST, THERE'S NO, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, AND FROM WATCHING THIS CAME UP IN TOURISM TOO. 
          LIKE THE PROBLEM IS JUST NOT BEING ADDRESSED. 
          AND SO NEIGHBORHOODS ARE UPSET LIKE, WE ARE LOSING OUT. 
          CAN I, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          CAN I ADD THAT IT'S ALSO QUITE POSSIBLE THAT PERMITTED AIRBNBS OR WHATEVER, AIRBNBS LIKE KLEENEX, YOU KNOW, STR MM-HMM. 
           ARE NOT COLLECTING AND REMITTING THE CITY PART OF THE TAX EITHER BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IT OR ARE JUST NOT DOING IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S UNLICENSED STR IT'S THAT THERE'S A WHOLE, THE, THE CITY PORTION OF THE TAX IS NOT U UNIFORMLY BEING COLLECTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GRAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE A POINT, AND JUST, AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, THAT IT, YOU KNOW, AIRBNBS WERE, WAS A HOBBY THING. 
          IT WAS AN EXTRA LITTLE EXTRA MONEY HOWEVER MANY A DECADE OR 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO. 
          BUT NOW IT'S BIG BUSINESS. 
          AND, UM, IT, IT WASN'T ALSO TOO LONG AGO THAT IT SHOWED AUSTIN AS LIKE ONE OF THE TOP FIVE CITIES IN THE WORLD WITH THESE KIND OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR VISITORS IN THE WORLD. 
          SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, IF HOTELS ARE REG, AND 
          [03:40:01]
AGAIN, THAT'S A LEVEL THAT WE CAN'T GET INVOLVED WITH, BUT BE THAT HOTELS ARE REGULATED TO DO A CERTAIN THING. 
          I THINK BECAUSE A LOT OF OF PEOPLE IN CHARGE OR IN SYSTEMS ARE NOT SEEING THESE AS A BIG DEAL IS ONE, MAYBE PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW A BIG DEAL IT REALLY IS AND HOW MUCH MONEY REALLY DOES COME INTO THE CITY. 
          I NEVER GO OUT OF TOWN ON WORK IF I DON'T, IF I HAVE A CHOICE, I'M NOT STAYING IN A HOTEL. 
          I STAY IN ONE OF THESE. 
          AND AGAIN, AUSTIN BEING ONE OF THOSE TOP THINGS I, I'M WITH, UH, SELENA AND THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO KEEP THIS ON OUR MUTUAL COMMISSION AGENDA BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE A GROUP OF US THAT TAKE IT TWO LEVELS OF PEOPLE THAT WILL ACTUALLY HEAR IT INSTEAD OF THINKING SOMEBODY ELSE IS TAKING CARE OF IT. 
          AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ECOSYSTEM THAT ISN'T BEING SERVED BY THE AMOUNT OF HOT TAXES THAT WE'RE COLLECTING, AND WE'RE ALL ASKING FOR MORE MONEY, AND THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY PLIABLE POT THAT IS NOT BEING TAPPED, IT'S NOT BEING COLLECTED. 
          AND IT'S COMING FROM THE ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITY FROM BOTH SIDES. 
          SO HOW DO WE HOLD BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE ACCOUNTABLE? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AND WE BRING IT TO THE FOREFRONT. 
          AND IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM TO FIX, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY OUR JOB TO HIGHLIGHT. 
          I I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I THINK THAT LIKE IF YOU, EVEN IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING TO WHERE SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION GETS PASSED OR WHATEVER, AND THEN WE END UP COLLECTING THE STRS, IT'S JUST GONNA GET PASSED UP TO THE CONSUMER ANYWAY. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE JUST HAVE TO PAY MORE ON THEIR, ON THEIR, ON THEIR AIRBNB FEES AND WHATNOT. 
          IT'S, I I I I THINK THAT WE NEED MORE RESEARCH AND MORE UNDERSTANDING IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING INSTEAD OF JUST GOING AHEAD AND SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          YOU KNOW? WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT'S A TAX THAT IS LEGALLY OB YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO, TO PAY AND BE COLLECTED AND REMITTED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE NOT THE TAX ASSESSORS. 
          WE'RE NOT, BUT WE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SERVING A COMMUNITY THAT, THAT THAT IS DIRECTLY FED BY THIS TAX. 
          FOR THE HARD FUND. 
          YES. 
          FOR THE SHORT. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE ARE NOT COLLECTING THE HARD FUND. 
          I KNOW. 
          AND THOSE TOTALLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE, I SAW A LOT MORE SHORT TERM RENTAL. 
          I MEAN, SO THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THERE AND THEY'RE RENTING IT OUT IN VERY HIGH PRICES, LIKE 10,000 A WEEK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WITH, YOU KNOW, SO WITH FEES THAT ARE ARBITRARY RIGHT. 
          CLEAN FEES THAT CAN RANGE. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT D DURING THE SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN, UM, DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, AND SO THEY ARE REALLY RENTING IT OUT AT HIGH DOLLARS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          SO WE ARE LOSING A LOT OF THOSE HOT FUN DURING, ESPECIALLY DURING THOSE BIG, BIG FESTIVAL LIKE F1, LIKE SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST, LIKE ACL. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, SO, UH, WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR HAVING HARD FUN FOR OUR CREATIVE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UM, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK? I NEED TO KNOW? YEAH, YEAH. 
          RESPECTFULLY, SCOTT. 
          I THINK THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS EITHER, BUT WE JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT CREATIVE SPACE. 
          TO ME, IT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S AN ASSET FOR THE CULTURAL COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. 
          CUZ I SEE YOUR POINT TOO. 
          THEY'RE JUST GONNA RAISE THE PRICES MAYBE, OR MAYBE NOT. 
          BUT IF WE DON'T LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES OF THE MONEY, THAT IS NOT BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMEBODY FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY GOES INTO THE HOTELS AND HOW MUCH MONEY GOES INTO THESE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT GOES INTO REGULAR CUZ YOU KNOW, THERE'S HOUSES OUT THERE THAT ARE BEING RENTED THAT AREN'T EVEN IN THAT LOOP. 
          LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          WE MAY NOT EVER SOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT IF WE DON'T GO INTO THAT NEST OF QUESTIONS AND AND STUFF, WE'LL NEVER GET IT AND WE'LL NEVER FIND OUT. 
          SO I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO COME FROM THE ARTS COMMUNITY SPECIALISTS SINCE HOT FUNDS RELATED. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD USE OUR RESOURCES THAT ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED AND PUT THEM INTO THINGS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CONTROL AND NOT GO AFTER THINGS THAT COULD BE A MAYBE OR A POSSIBILITY, BUT THIS COULD GREATLY GROW THOSE RESOURCES. 
          SO IT COULD, SO PART OF THOSE FUNDS GOT ALREADY COMING TO DO THAT. 
          WE REALLY NEED TO DO THAT. 
          WE NEED MORE RESOURCES. 
          THIS IS A, THIS IS AN ALREADY EXISTING UNTAPPED RESOURCE. 
          AS A NEW, AS A NEW COMMISSION MEMBER, MAY I JUST ASK, WITHIN THOSE HOT FUNDS, ARE AIRBNBS OR STR INCLUDED OR NOT? OR DO WE NOT EVEN KNOW THE ANSWER? THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. 
          SOME ARE AND SOME ARE NOT. 
          THEY SHOULD BE. 
          ALL OF THEM SHOULD BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UNIFORMLY COLLECTED. 
          THE STATE PORTION IS UNIFORMLY COLLECTED BY THE STATE. 
          THE CITY PORTION IS NOT UNIFORMLY COLLECTED. 
          SO IF YOU OPERATE IN S SCR, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO COLLECT AND REMIT THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX ON THAT UNIT. 
          SO SOME PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT AND SOME PEOPLE AREN'T DOING IT. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF ILLEGAL, UH, YOU KNOW, UNPERMITTED STR ON TOP OF IT. 
          SO THERE'S LIKE MULTIPLE LAYERS TO THE PROBLEM. 
          [03:45:01]
WELL, I IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BEING THAT BO OR MONITORED. 
          SO THE STR AS IT STANDS FROM WHAT I KNOW, ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THIS TAX DOLLAR, WHICH BENEFITS US. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I THINK THE ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING IS THAT IT'S NOT BEING MONITORED OR ENFORCED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK UP ON, ON THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THAT BECAUSE WHEN IT'S NOT BEING MONITORED, THEN WE'RE LOSING THAT MONEY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING NEW. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE ENFORCEMENT OF THE EXISTING RIGHT. 
          TAX STRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD ASK FOR NEW THINGS AND THAT WOULD BE COOL , BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          I DON'T THINK, IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T BRING ATTENTION TO IT, WHO WILL? UM, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND THAT IT'S A LOT TO UNTANGLE, SO I WOULD NOT PUT IT ON OUR TWO COMMISSIONS TO SORT OUT REALLY HOW THIS SHOULD BE ENFORCED OR REGULATED OR WHAT NEEDS TO BE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          IT'S LIKE, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO IT? I HAVE, I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING THIS JOB. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THE FACT THAT IT'S AN ISSUE SURE, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT LIKE HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT, I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON THAT. 
          I I'M SAME. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS UP AS INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONS ABOUT LIKE HOW WE WANNA HANDLE IT. 
          I DO WANNA GIVE A LITTLE, OTHER CITIES HAVE FIGURED IT OUT ALSO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE THAT ANYBODY HAS TO GO INTO IT, RIGHT. 
          WITHOUT GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL SIDE, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE PASSED. 
          UM, IT, IT WAS BROUGHT BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO, AND I BELIEVE IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S BEEN, UM, IMPLEMENTED AT ALL. 
          BUT SHE PASSED, AT THE END OF HER TERM, A REGULATION STATING THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL FOR, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMPANIES, THE BIG COMPANIES TO ACCEPT FEES FROM ILLEGALLY UN UNREGISTERED STR. 
          SO THAT'S NOT BEING ENFORCED. 
          SO I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE HAS BEEN FORWARD MOVEMENT ON COUNCIL, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S A GOOD TIME TO SAY LIKE, HEY, ARTS AND MUSIC, WE'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE THIS BACK UP. 
          UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE MATH ON IT, BUT WE KNOW IT'S A CONCERN. 
          I THINK THAT'S WORTH DOING. 
          I REALLY DO, SINCE IT HAS BEEN RECENTLY DONE THAT WE JUST A VOICE, A VOICE OF WHAT'S, CAN WE KEEP IT? I'LL ALSO ADD THAT THIS SUMMARY THAT I JUST GAVE IS LAST I HEARD. 
          SO MAYBE SOMETHING HAS CHANGED AND THERE IS SOME NEW ENFORCEMENT HAPPENING THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, BUT I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY SPEAKING UP TO CORRECT THAT. 
          SO I'M GONNA GUESS THAT NOTHING'S CHANGED. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA, SO WE'LL JUST ASK STAFF. 
          UM, THERE WAS A PRESENT, IT CAME UP IN A PRESENTATION ON HOT TAX TO TOURISM. 
          SO NOW WE KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE TO ASK BACK AND, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT INFO WITHOUT GETTING INTO NUMBERS AGAIN, , I'M LOOKING AT HEIDI, DO WE KNOW THE BREAKDOWN OF OUR, OUR HOT MONEY? LIKE WHERE THE SOURCES OF IT, LIKE HOW MUCH COMES FROM STR, HOW MUCH COMES FROM HOTELS, HOW MUCH COMES FROM, I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT WHAT PERCENTAGE RIGHT NOW DO SDRS PLAY IN THE, IN THAT MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          AND WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION OF STAFF. 
          I THINK THAT TOURISM REPORT YOU COPIED BEYOND SELENA HAS THOSE NUMBERS IN IT, THE LAST TOURISM REPORTS FOR HOT PHONES AND YEAH. 
          AND AGAIN, WHEN I'M REFERRING TO STAFF, I, I DON'T MEAN, UH, ED D STAFF ON THIS ONE. 
          THIS WOULD BE LIKE THE FINANCIAL OFFICERS. 
          E ED D IS DOING A TON ALREADY. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING THEY NEED TO FIGURE THIS PROBLEM OUT AT ALL, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE AT THE CITY THAT ARE WORKING ON IT. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. 
          AT THE RISK OF OVER COMPLICATING AND ALREADY COMPLICATED THING. 
          , I WANNA BRING UP ONE POINT. 
          UM, I CURRENTLY, IT SEEMS LIKE, AND THIS THIS CAME UP WHEN THESE REGULATIONS FIRST WENT INTO PLACE, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S KIND OF ONE LEVEL OF LIKE, IF YOU WANNA OPERATE ONE OF THESE THINGS, YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DO IT UNDER THIS, UM, FEE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND SO MY HUSBAND AND I USED TO, YOU KNOW, RENT OUT OUR SPARE BEDROOM AND IT WAS, IT WAS, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A HOBBY. 
          IT WAS A GREAT WAY TO MEET PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN. 
          WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL OUR FRIENDS THROUGH THAT, UM, MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA SCRATCH. 
          BUT I MEAN, WE WERE LIKE SUPER, SUPER, SUPER REASONABLE WITH OUR PRICES, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE JUST LIKE TRYING TO GIVE BACK BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD HOUSED US ALL OVER THE WORLD, UM, IN, IN A REALLY REASONABLE WAY. 
          AND WE JUST SAW IT AS LIKE A COMMUNITY THING. 
          AND THEN THOSE FEES KIND OF MADE IT UNFEASIBLE FOR US TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, AND, UH, AND SO IT, I I HAVE, I'M OF TWO MINDS AND I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO, TO MAYBE ROLL INTO THIS IF WE CREATE A RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER, LIKE A, UH, SOME SORT OF GRADUATED SYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS AS THEIR INCOME, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BASICALLY OPERATING HOTELS AND LIKE, YEAH, THEY 
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SHOULD BE CHARGED LIKE A HOTEL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          BUT PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO THIS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ORIGINAL SPIRIT OF, OF WHAT IT WAS, UM, AND WHO ARE DOING IT CASUALLY, IF THERE'S A WAY TO LIKE, BECAUSE THAT CAN BE SOME GOOD EXTRA INCOME. 
          I MEAN, LOCAL MUSICIANS DON'T MAKE MUCH OF ANYTHING USUALLY DURING SOUTH BY, UM, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GREAT FOR LOCAL MUSICIANS FINANCIALLY, BUT IF YOU CAN AIRBNB OR ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE, THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE SOME MONEY DURING THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WEEKS AND STUFF. 
          SO LIKE, I, I REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S TWO PRONGS OF THIS, ONE OF WHICH IS COLLECTING THESE, UH, FEES THAT GO INTO OUR ARTS COMMUNITY AND TO OUR CREATIVE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EXTRA INCOME FOR OUR CREATIVE SECTOR THAT'S BASICALLY HAVING THEIR WORK DISPLACED DURING THESE BIG FESTIVAL TIMES AND OTHER STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          YEAH, I DO AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH, BECAUSE I THINK THE PROPERTY TAX IS ON THE RIGHTS AND I THINK, UM, THAT IS ALSO ONE WAY TO DRIVE PEOPLE OUT OF CENTRAL TEXAS BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE PROFITS TAX. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK IN THE PERMITTING THEY CAN BE DIFFERENT PERMIT, PERMIT A, PERMIT B. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS PERMIT A, BUT IF PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING LIKE 3, 4, 5 OF THOSE SHORT TERM RENTALS, THEN WE BECOME A CORPORATION AND THEY SHOULD, THEY'RE COMPETING WITH THE HOTEL, THEN THEY SHOULD BE PAYING THE HOT FUND. 
          SO I THINK THAT COULD BE ONE OF OUR SUGGESTION. 
          RIGHT, ERICA? UM, COULD YOU, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THE MATH EXACTLY OR I DON'T REMEMBER IT, BUT WHAT I THOUGHT A LARGE PORTION OF THE HOT TAXES ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE STATE PORTION OF THE HOTEL, UH, TAXES AND THEN SOME FROM LOCAL. 
          UH, NO, NO, I THINK IT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? WHAT DOES, WHAT'S THE CALCULATE MATH THERE? THAT ONES  BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS, THERE'S A PORTION OF THE STATE TAXES AS WELL THAT GET, GET DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITIES AND, UH, YEAH, I MEAN MEGAN MAY, MAY KNOW BETTER THAN ME, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS FULLY, I MEAN MOSTLY FROM THE, YEAH, THE MUNICIPAL HOT TAXES, THE PORTION OF AUSTIN, BUT AUS THE CITY, IT'S, IT'S FUNDED PRIMARILY THROUGH THAT. 
          I, I SOMEHOW THOUGHT THAT IT, IT, A PORTION OF IT CAME FROM THE STATE AS WELL. 
          A PORTION GOES TO THE STATE THAT'S COLLECTED. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? THE CITY GETS A 11 CENTS ON DOLLAR BACK TO, BUT WHERE'S THE SOURCE? CITIES FROM HOTEL, THE STATE PORTION OF THE HOTEL TAXES, SOME OF IT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES, IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES. 
          I THINK THAT'S LAID OUT IN THE STATUTE THAT IT WOULD BE OUR PORTION OF HOTEL MOTEL TAXES THAT ARE GENERATED IN OUR BOUNDARY AS, BECAUSE THEY CLASSIFY IT BY CITY, CITY OVER THIS AMOUNT OF POPULATION, ET CETERA. 
          SO IT'D BE WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, THIS, THIS WAS INTENDED TO START THE CONVERSATION. 
          WE SHOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE, WE ALL HAVE LOTS OF VERY DEEP FEELINGS ABOUT IT. 
          , UM, SMELLS LIKE A WORKING GROUP , YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING BE UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONS. 
          I THINK ASKING FOR PRESENTATIONS FROM THOSE THAT PRESENTED, UH, TO TOURISM IS A GREAT STARTING POINT. 
          SORT OF BEING THE PEBBLE IN THEIR SHOE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE THIS ALONE. 
          IT'S MONEY BEING LEFT ON THE TABLE. 
          IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM TO SOLVE. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE A HAND IN MAKING, LIKE BRINGING SOMETHING TO FRUITION. 
          I FEEL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LITTLE EXTRA SCRAP TAXES OR TAXES. 
          YEAH. 
          IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, THEY APPLY TO EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          I THINK GETTING INTO THE NUANCED OF INCOME BRACKETS BASED ON WHAT YOU MAKE AND WHO, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S 10 MILES DOWN THE LINE FROM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS LITERALLY JUST HIGHLIGHTING AND BRINGING AWARENESS. 
          UM, WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS NOT BEING LIKE, HANDLED APPROPRIATELY. 
          SO LET'S START THERE AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE CREATIVE SECTOR IF THIS IS A WAY TO MAKE EXTRA SCRAP. 
          UM, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY LET'S CARRY THIS 
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OVER TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH IS THE NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA. 
          . 
          SO STR THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO CONTINUE THERE. 
          UM, ALONG WITH CONVERSATIONS WITHIN WORKING GROUPS REGARDING, UM, SUPPORT FOR SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO CARRY FORWARD. 
          UM, AND WHILE I'M IN THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS MORE OFTEN. 
          I LOVE SEEING EVERYBODY'S FACES. 
          WE'RE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH A LOT OF THIS STUFF. 
          UM, MAYBE THIS IS BIANNUAL AND WE DO ONE IN THE SPRING AND WE DO ONE IN THE FALL AS WE'RE OPENING AND CLOSING THE FISCAL YEARS. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          COULD WE DO THIS QUARTERLY? I WAS OH, YOU LIKE ME THAT MUCH? I DO. 
          OH, WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO ONE A QUARTER. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE TRICKY BIT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'VE TRIED, LISTEN, I'M PUTTING THIS THE CLERK'S OFFICE THROUGH 
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THE HOOPS AND I'M LIKE, BUT IFS MUSIC CALLS ONE, DOES THAT COUNT AS OURS? AND THEY SAID, YES, THAT'S WHAT IT DOES. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE READ. 
          I'M, LISTEN, I REALLY AM PUTTING THE CLERK'S OFFICE THROUGH THEIR PACES. 
          I WAS TRYING TO GET DOUBLE QUORUM WITH NAALI. 
          UM, SO WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS HAPPEN OUT OF NECESSITY SOMETIMES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          IT'S ALWAYS SPECIAL MEETING. 
          WE, WE MADE OUR RETREAT HAPPEN LIKE THAT SO THAT WE COULD MAKE SURE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN IN THIS PART OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, BUT I LOVE THAT YOU LOVE THIS. 
          UM, I THINK, AGAIN, WORKING GROUPS THAT ARE HAPPENING ACROSS COMMISSIONS IS A WAY FOR US TO BE IN CLOSER COMMUNICATION AND FOR US TO HAVE ALMOST LIAISONS GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          YEAH. 
          AREN'T THE CHAIRS ARE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SAY AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, NOW THE YEAR PASSES VERY QUICKLY TOO. 
          UM, SO LOOKING TO THE FALL, WE'LL GET ANOTHER ONE OF THESE ON THE BOOKS AS SOON AS WE CAN. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS HAS BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO EVERYBODY'S TIME. 
          AND CELESTE, WELCOME TO THE COMMISSION. 
          WELCOME, CELESTE. 
          YOU'RE NOW PART OF THE CIRCUS. 
          AND, UM, YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MUSIC, YOU CAN COME TO OUR MEETINGS, ARTS, WE CAN GO TO THEIR MEETINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THIS IS A FRACTION OF WHAT WE DO. 
          UM, ARTS, WE HAVE A I PPP THAT WE CAN SHARE, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S JUST ALL BE STEEPED IN EACH OTHER'S BUSINESS AND, UM, BE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN, IN THIS WORK TOGETHER AS A, A UNIFIED BODY. 
          OKAY GUYS. 
          IT IS 3 31. 
          3 31. 
          DOES ANYBODY ? ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I DO. 
          I DO. 
           SECOND. 
          OH, WE GOTTA, YEAH. 
          MAKE IT ACTUALLY FULLY FULL SENTENCES. 
          MOTION. 
          GONNA TURN THE MEETING. 
          AND THE SECOND BY MARK. 
          OKAY EVERYBODY, THANK YOU. 
          YOU ARE FREE TO GO. 
          ENJOY YOUR EASTER WEEKEND. 
          THANK YOU STAFF SO MUCH FOR THOSE PRESENTATIONS. 
          THANK YOU CITY STAFF FOR BEING HERE. 
          PASSOVER, RAMADAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TRIPLE. 
          SHOUT IT OUT ON THE MICROPHONE. 
          OREN. 
          GOTTA LET 'EM KNOW. 
          EASTER. 
          PASSOVER, RAMADAN. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          ME. 
          PACK MY BAG LIKE MY LIFE.
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