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[Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order]

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APRIL 25TH.

2023.

I'M GONNA, UH, I'M THE CHAIR, CHAIR, SHAH.

I'M GONNA BRING THIS MEETING AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER AT 6 0 8.

GLAD YOU WERE HERE.

AND, UH, WE'LL DO A QUICK ROLL CALL.

I'LL START WITH, UM, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, AND I'LL JUST WORK, UH, LEFT TO RIGHT.

UM, AND WE'LL START WITH, UH OH.

YEP.

COMMISSIONER OF FELICITY MAXWELL HERE.

UH, I'M YOUR CHAIR.

CHAIR SHAW, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HERE.

AND WE HAVE, OH, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU.

OUR NEWEST, UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONER.

UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, BARRETA RAMIREZ HERE.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE VICE CHAIR HEMPLE.

I'M HERE.

AND COMMISSIONER COX HERE.

YEP.

THANK YOU.

UH, SO I'M COUNTING 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

WHO AM I MISSING? OH, UH, NO, I'M TRYING TO GET THE TOTAL HERE.

SEVEN.

SEVEN.

YEAH.

PATRICK WAS ON THERE.

THAT'S CPS.

YEAH.

WE NEED ONE MORE.

UM, I THOUGHT WE HAD OUR NUMBERS.

I'M APOLOGIZE.

UH, WE'LL NEED TO WAIT TILL WE HAVE ONE MORE.

APOLOGIZE.

FOLKS THOUGHT WE HAD SEVEN.

NOPE.

I THINK WE'RE JUST SENT.

OH, OKAY.

THERE YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER MOTO HERE.

UH, WE'RE DOING ROLL CALL.

YOU'RE, YEP.

COMMISSIONER MOTO IS HERE.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO QUORUM.

THANK YOU.

JUST YOU TECHNICAL CAN'T SEE ME AND I BELIEVE, UM, LET ME GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE.

OKAY.

LET ME GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE, UM, CAN'T HEAR ME EITHER.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER HOWARD, ARE YOU ABLE TO COME ON SCREEN? I KNOW, YEAH, I DIDN'T, IT SAYS I'M ON SCREEN, SO I'M GONNA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S DOING MEAN.

I'M SO SORRY.

I'M GONNA, UH, WORK ON IT.

IS YOUR CAMERA COVERED? IT LOOKS, LOOKS TOTALLY BLACK.

I CAN'T TELL IF MAYBE YOU HAVE IT BLOCKED SOMEHOW.

OH, MAYBE THAT'S OKAY.

A DIFFERENT COMPUTER.

LEMME JUST, WELL, I GUESS GO AHEAD AND YOU I'LL WORK ON IT.

I'LL WORK ON, OKAY.

GO AHEAD AND MUTE RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, I'M GOING INTRODUCE OUR EX OFFICIAL MEMBERS.

WE HAVE, UH, THE CHAIR OF THE, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, CHAIR COHEN.

AND WE ALSO TODAY, UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

IS THAT TRUE? NO, TRANSPORTATION.

TRANSPORTATION.

OKAY.

MR. MENDOZA, UM, IS THAT YOU THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN? CAN YOU HEAR US ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GO AND, UH, CONTINUE.

UM, JUST, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING.

SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE BOTH, UH, PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY AND THOSE OF US THAT ARE ON THE DIAS AS WELL AS SPEAKERS THAT, UH, LIKE THOSE OF YOU OUT THERE, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO CHAMBERS THIS EVENING.

AND THEN ALSO THOSE THAT CAN SPEAK, UM, UH, VIRTUALLY AS WELL.

SO, AND STAFF CAN DO THAT EQUALLY.

VET STAFF PRESENT, UM, VIRTUALLY AS WELL AS IN PERSON.

SO, UH, FOR THOSE, WE HAVE JUST A FEW ITEMS, I THINK SO FAR.

UH, WE'LL TAKE THOSE IN ORDER ON THE AGENDA, BUT YOU CAN WAIT OUT IN THE ATRIUM, UH, WHILE IF YOU'RE THE SECOND CASE OR ONE OF THE LATER CASES.

AND ANDREW, I GUESS YOU'RE FOR SPEAKERS, YOU'RE SENDING NOTICES OUT ABOUT 15 MINUTES AHEAD OF TIME.

SURE.

COMMISSION ON ANDREW? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

THE, UH, SPEAKERS WILL RECEIVE A EMAIL WHEN WE ARE 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM TAKING WITH THAT ITEM.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, HOUSEKEEPING, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN, HAVE YOUR GREEN, RED, AND YELLOW CARDS JUST SO I CAN EASILY COUNT YOUR VOTE.

AND, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND STAY MUTED UNTIL, UM, YOU'RE CALLED UPON.

AND IF I DO, IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING MY ATTENTION, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK UP, BUT, UH, WE'LL TRY TO STAY MUTED AS LONG AS WE CAN.

AND I THINK THE, WE DO

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION]

HAVE UNDER PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS.

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THOSE UP.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

WE'LL FIRST HEAR FROM MR. RON THROWER.

MR. THROWER, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY KAI GRAY CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS.

I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS, HOUSING

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EMERGENCY, BUT WE ARE SERIOUSLY IN A CODE AMENDMENT EMERGENCY AS WELL.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS BODY HAS A BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE THAT DOESN'T MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE MANY OF Y'ALL TO JOIN THAT AND HELP GUIDE THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS SO THAT THE RESOURCES CAN BE PUT IN THE RIGHT SPOT BECAUSE WE CAN ALL RECOGNIZE THERE'S A LOT OF CODE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS TODAY.

THERE'S GONNA BE MORE IN THE FUTURE.

WE'RE ALL GONNA BE APPROACHING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, MORE OF A BANDAID APPROACH, RATHER THAN ADOPTING A NEW CODE.

WE GOTTA HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE AT THE STAFF LEVEL TO MAKE IT ALL WORK.

THANKS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL NOT HEAR FROM MR. KAYA GRAY.

HI.

I, UM, BASICALLY JUST, WE NEED MORE HOUSING, SO ANYTHING Y'ALL CAN DO TO GIVE US MORE HOUSING WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS I KNOW Y'ALL ARE DISCUSSING.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE PARTICULARS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS, BUT ANYTHING THAT CAN PROVIDE MORE HOUSING IS, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VERY HELPFUL.

THANKS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UH, COMMISSIONERS DID HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE APRIL 11TH, 2023 MINUTES THAT WERE ISSUED EARLIER TODAY.

UH, SEEING NONE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WILL GO AND ROLL THOSE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE, I'VE GOT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS GONNA HELP, UH,

[Reading of the Agenda]

HELP ME OUT WITH THE FIRST READING OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.

UH, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THEM, UH, TO PULL ITEMS. BUT, UH, WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST READING.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

SURE.

THANKS.

CHAIR.

ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

APRIL 11TH, 2023.

ITEM TWO, PLAN, AMENDMENT MPA 20 22 0 0 2 3 0 2 EAST 51ST AND CAMERON STAFF POSTPONE MAY 23RD.

ITEM THREE, NPA 20 22 0 0 3 0 1 GOBI TWO 50.

STAFF POSTPONEMENT, MAY 23RD.

ITEM FOUR C 14 20 22 0 1 58 GOBI TWO 50 STAFF POSTPONEMENT, MAY 23RD.

ITEM FIVE.

PLAN PO.

AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 0 8 0 1 3 1 17 31 21 EAST 12TH STREET, SOUTHWEST MOMENT, MAY 9TH.

ITEM SIX.

PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 2 1.

DO ZERO TWO.

BURLESON AND BEN WHITE STAFF POST JUNE 23RD, ITEM SEVEN, PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 2 0 1 INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD AND TERRY O. LANE STAFF POST JUNE 13TH, ITEM EIGHT C REZONING Z 14 20 22 0 62 INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD AND TERRY O. LANE, SOUTHWEST JUNE 13TH, ITEM NINE, PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 22 0 0 1 4 DOT OH FIVE BERGSTROM SPUR TRAIL MIXED USE STAFF POSTPONEMENT MAY 9TH, ITEM 10, REZONING C 14 20 22.

1 46 BERGSTROM, TRAIL AREA, INFILL WESTERN TRACK STAFF POSTPONEMENT MAY 9TH, ITEM 11, REZONING C 14 20 22.

1 48, BERKS FROMM, TRAIL AREA INFILL EASTERN TRACK, SOUTH POSTPONE MAY 9TH, ITEM 12, REZONING C 14 20 22.

1 0 2 5 0 6 5 0 8 WEST REZONING.

DISCUSSION ITEM 13, REZONING C 14 20 22 0 1 40 BRENTWOOD MULTIFAMILY STAFF POSTPONEMENT MAY 23RD.

ITEM 14, REZONING C 814 97 0 0 0 1.

THAT 15 LEANDER REHABILITATION PUT AMENDMENT 16.

STAFF POSTPONEMENT DISTRICT, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, MAY 9TH.

ITEM 15.

HISTORIC ZONING.

C 14 H 20 23 0 24, LOWEN HOUSE CONSENT ITEM 16, HISTORIC ZONING.

C 14 H 20 22 0 1 76, BROKEN SPOKE.

DISCUSSION ITEM 17, SITE PLAN EXTENSION S P 20 16 4 74 C SH X T TWO RBJ CENTER CONSENT

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STAFF, UH, HAS A REVISED RECOMMENDATION TO FIVE YEARS.

ITEM 18.

SITE PLAN, ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCE ONLY S P 20 22 0 0 56 D.

EVERGREEN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, CONSENT WITH CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE.

STAFF AMENABLE TO CONDITIONS.

ITEM 19, FINAL PLATFORM APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN C 8 20 21 0 1 5 2 2 A PINNACLE AT WILDHORSE RANCH.

SECTION TWO, DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS EXHIBIT C, ITEM 20, PRELIMINARY.

PLAN C 8 20 22 0 3.

THREE.

HARRIS BRANCH, COMMERCE PARK, PRELIMINARY PLAN, CONSENT ITEM 21, IMAGINE AUSTIN AMENDMENT.

AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, UPDATE PLANNING COMMISSION POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 30TH, 6:00 PM AUSTIN CITY HALL, ITEM 22, IMAGINE AUSTIN AMENDMENT CPA 20 22 0 0 0 1 PALM DISTRICT PLAN PLANNING COMMISSION, POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 30TH, 6:00 PM AUSTIN CITY HALL.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ANDERSON.

UH, JUST A FEW THINGS CUZ I WAS HAVING A LITTLE BIT TROUBLE.

FOLLOW IT ALONG.

SO WE HAVE, DID I HEAR, AND I'LL READ THESE THROUGH ONE MORE TIME.

SO ON ITEM SIX, THAT STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 13TH, THAT'S WHAT I'M OKAY.

AND THEN JUST WANT TO, UM, SO ON ITEM 18, MR. RIVERA, DO WE NEED, DO I NEED TO READ THOSE CONDITIONS INTO THE RECORD OR THEY CHECK COMMISSION LEE ON ANDREW RIVERA? SO YOU COULD JUST NOTE IT BY REFERENCE OF EXHIBIT A.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN JUST A REMINDER, THE LAST TWO ITEMS, 21 AND 22, WE'RE GONNA HEAR THOSE ON THE MAY 30TH, WHICH IS THE FIFTH TUESDAY THAT WE, UH, DID A HEADCOUNT AND DECIDED WE SHOULD HAVE QUORUM THAT DAY SO WE CAN GET A LITTLE EXTRA WORK DONE ON THAT EXTRA TUESDAY.

UH, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH THIS, UH, AGENDA, CONSENT AGENDA ONE MORE TIME AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET ANY, IF THERE'S ANY OPPOSITION TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVING THIS.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE, UM, ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 11TH.

ITEM TWO, PLAN AMENDMENT STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 23RD.

ITEM THREE, PLAN AMENDMENT STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 23RD.

ITEM FOUR, REZONING STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 23RD.

ITEM FIVE, PLAN AMENDMENT STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 9TH.

ITEM SIX, PLAN AMENDMENT STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 13TH.

ITEM SEVEN, STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 13TH.

ITEM EIGHT, STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 13TH.

ITEM NINE, PLAN AMENDMENT STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 9TH.

EIGHT.

ITEM 10, REZONING STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 9TH.

ITEM 11, REZONING STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 9TH.

ITEM 12 IS DISCUSSION CASE, UH, REZONING DISCUSSION.

UH, ITEM 13, REZONING STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 23RD.

ITEM 14, REZONING STAFF POSTPONE IT TO MAY 9TH.

WE HAVE ITEM 15, HISTORIC ZONING.

THAT ITEM IS ON CONSENT.

ITEM 16, HISTORIC ZONING.

UH, THAT'S OUR SECOND DISCUSSION CASE SO FAR THIS EVENING.

ITEM 17, SP EXTENSION, UH, CONSENT NOTE.

STAFF REVISED RECOMMENDATION TO FIVE YEARS ITEM 18, SITE PLAN ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCE ONLY.

UH, THIS IS NON-CONSENT APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS AND YOU CAN, UH, WE PC FINES WITH THE CONDITION, THESE CONDITIONS THAT ARE AGREEABLE, UH, AGREED TO BY THE APPLICANT.

AND THEY'RE SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A, UM, THE REQUIREMENT OF 25 8 DASH 41 ARE MET.

OKAY.

AND I GUESS, DID WE, THE STAFF AMENABLE TO THESE? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND ITEM 19, FINAL PLAT FROM APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN.

DISAPPROVED FOR REASONS IN EXHIBIT C.

ITEM 20 PRELIMINARY PLAN ON CONSENT.

ITEM 21, IMAGINE US AN AMENDMENT PC POSTPONEMENT TO MAY 30TH.

WE HEAR THAT 6:00 PM AT CITY HALL.

UH, ITEM 22, IMAGINE US AN AMENDMENT PC POSTPONE TO MAY 30TH, 6:00 PM AT AUSTIN CITY HALL.

SO COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, OKAY, UM,

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VICE CHAIR HEMPLE.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER COX.

I WANNA MAKE A NOTE THAT I'LL BE RECUSING FROM ITEM NUMBER 17, THE RBJ PROJECT DESIGN WORKSHOP.

THE FIRM THAT I WORK FOR IS THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FOR THAT PROJECT.

OKAY.

NOTED.

AND, UM, MR. COX? YEAH, SHE, I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND FROM OUR STAFF LIAISON IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THE NUMBER OF STAFF POSTPONEMENTS.

UM, I ASSUME IT'S DUE TO OUR UNFORTUNATE LABOR SHORTAGE, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THEY HAD ANYTHING, ANY EXPLANATION ON THAT CHAIR.

COMMISSION LIAISON, ANDREA, ACTUALLY, IF YOU REFER TO THE MEMORANDUMS PROVIDED, UH, YOU'LL NOTE THE, UH, VARIOUS, UH, PURPOSES FOR THE POSTPONEMENT.

SOME OF 'EM ARE FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT TO, UH, CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, UH, MEANS THAT HOPEFULLY WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOUR DI IT'S CONSENT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, I, I PULLED UP MOST OF THOSE AND IT JUST SAID NEEDED MORE TIME FOR REVIEWS AND THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY COMMENT ON IT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER COX, IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR YOU.

I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT'S JUST A YES YOU CAN.

COMPLEX ISSUE OR THANK YOU VICE CHAIR.

YEAH, IT WAS A LITTLE MUDDLED.

I WILL LEAN FORWARD.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

IS THAT BETTER? ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, INCLUDING THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 11TH? UH, WELL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES AND THE CONSENT AGENDA.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MAXWELL.

DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT IS, UH, APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO OUR, SO ANY, UM, YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR STAFF ON ITEM NUMBER

[12. Rezoning: C14-2022-0102 - 506 and 508 West Rezoning; District 9]

12.

GO AHEAD AND GET THE DISCUSSION CASES STARTED.

LEAVE , SAY IT AGAIN.

GET A CHANCE TO LEAVE .

IT CLEARS OUT.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

NANCY ESTRADA WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

SHOULD GO.

THIS IS ITEM, HOLD ON, LET ME, OKAY.

SLATE IT.

QUIET DOWN.

JUST OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 12 ON YOUR AGENDA CASE C 14 20 22 0 1, 0 2.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5 0 6 AND 5 0 8 WEST AVENUE.

IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED D M U AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING C B D.

THE SUBJECT REZONING AREA IS 0.57 ACRES AND IT CONTAINS TWO RESTAURANTS.

SURFACE PARKING AREA TAKES ACCESS TO WEST AVENUE AND HAS DOWNTOWN MIXED USE ZONING.

THE SUBJECT TRACT IS LOCATED IN THE LOWER SHOLL CREEK DISTRICT OF THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN PLAN.

IT IS ADJACENT TO A RESTAURANT TO THE NORTH ZONE D M U TWO COCKTAIL LOUNGES ACROSS WEST AVENUE TO THE EAST C B D CONDOMINIUMS TO THE SOUTH ZONE C B D CO AND THE SHO CREEK GREEN BELT TRAIL OFFICES AND RETAIL USES TO THE WEST ZONE.

P DM U CURE AS INFORMATION CBD ZONING DOES NOT HAVE A HEIGHT LIMIT AND HAS A MAXIMUM F A R OF A TO ONE UNDER CBD ZONING.

ADDITIONAL F A R IS ACHIEVED THROUGH APPLICANT PARTICIPATION IN THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

THE RECOMMENDED CBD ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS INTENDED TO EXPAND ENTITLEMENT RIGHTS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY IN A WAY THAT WILL ENCOURAGE A MIX OF LAND USES WHILE ALLOWING THE PURSUIT OF DISTRICT SPECIFIC GOALS FOR THE LOWER SHOLL CREEK DISTRICT.

THESE INCLUDE PROMOTING A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, CULTURAL, AND VISITOR ORIENTED USES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE DAY AND NIGHT TIME LIFE OF THE DISTRICT.

THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING C B D CO COMBINING DISTRICT ZONING WITH PROHIBITED USES LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

THANK YOU.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HERE.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

NOW HERE FOR THE APPLICANT FOR FIVE MINUTES.

CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME'S RICHARD SETTLE.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TONIGHT.

UM, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD, UH, FROM DIFFERENT FROM THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

WE'RE ASKING FOR CBD ZONING SO THAT WE CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM AND GO ABOVE THE 400 FOOT HEIGHT AND GET THE TO NEARLY 20 TO ONE F A R.

UM, THE REASON YOU SEE ALL OF THE POSTPONEMENTS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE, SIX OR SEVEN IS WE WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR AT THE AUSTIN CITY LOFTS.

UM, THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING

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OUR BUILDING ON, ON THE LOT LINE NEXT TO THEM.

UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT.

UM, WE, WE, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS TO DISCUSS WITH THEM, BUT THAT'S, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MAIN ONE.

UM, WE THOUGHT ABOUT POSTPONING AGAIN TONIGHT, BUT ONCE YOU POSTPONE PAST TONIGHT, AND I CAN'T BE HERE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, THEN WE'RE PAST THE SUMMER AT CITY COUNCIL.

SO WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR IDEAS TONIGHT AND SEE WHAT Y'ALL THINK ABOUT CBD ZONING SURROUNDED BY CBD ZONING IN AN AREA THAT, UH, IF, IF, AGAIN, IF NOT HERE, THEN, THEN WHERE.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE.

AND I LIKE THIS PROGRAM WHERE A BIG AGENDA, AND I THINK I'M THE ONLY TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS TONIGHT.

, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A GOOD PROGRAM OR NOT, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU.

WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MS. MARY STRATMAN.

MS. STRATMAN, YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY MS. ANGELA HOVIS.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME'S MARY STRATMAN AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE AUSTIN CITY LOCKS OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THIS HOA, UH, OBJECTS TO THE REZONING REQUEST FROM DM U TO CBD, AND THEY RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY IT.

AS THE DEVELOPER HAS STATED, THEY ARE SEEKING CBD.

SO IF THEY CAN ACHIEVE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND F A R POSSIBLE, CURRENTLY, THEIR SITE PLAN REFLECTS A HEIGHT OF AROUND 500 FEET IN F A R IN EXCESS OF 19 ONE.

WHILE HEIGHT AND DENSITY ARE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGED DOWNTOWN, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE SITE SPECIFIC ATTRIBUTES OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT IS LOCATED MID-BLOCK WITH ACCESS TO ONLY ONE ROADWAY, WEST AVENUE, WHICH IS A TWO-LANE ROAD AND IS LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE 25 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.

A C L DOES NOT OBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT OF 5 0 6 WEST.

THEY KNOW IT WILL BE DEVELOPED.

THEY, HOWEVER, BELIEVE THAT DMU ZONING IS THE APPROPRIATE BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND IN LIGHT OF ITS SPECIFIC SITE ATTRIBUTES.

TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN AUSTIN THAT HAS THIS KIND OF HEIGHT AND THIS KIND OF DENSITY LOCATED ON A SITE COMPARABLE TO THIS ONE, WHICH AGAIN, IS LOCATED MIDBLOCK WITH ACCESS TO ONE STREET ONLY.

THAT'S TWO-LANE ENTIRELY.

WE WITHIN, WITHIN THE 25 YEAR FLIP LANE IN FRONT OF YOU IS RENDERING, SHOWING YOU THE PRO RELATION TO THE NEW TOWER IN THE ACL BUILDING.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE NEW TOWER AT 5 0 6 WEST WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, SO IT'S FOUNDATION IMMEDIATELY OF BUTS THE ACL BUILDING.

THE ACL BUILDING HAS A UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE IN THAT IT'S AN L-SHAPED BUILDING WITH FIFTH FLOOR BALCONIES THAT GO CLEARED TO THE SKY WHEN THE NEW TOWER'S FACADE IS CONSTRUCTED IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE ACL BUILDING AND GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER, THIS WILL CREATE WHAT AN ENGINEER CALLS A BOX CANYON WITHIN THAT FIFTH FLOOR BALCONY AREA.

THERE ARE OF THE MANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT BOX CANYON RAIN WILL RICOCHET BETWEEN THE TWO FACADES CAUSING TWO MAJOR ISSUES.

THE FIRST IS THE ACL FACADE WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT RICOCHETING RAIN AND THE LACK OF AIRFLOW AND THE BOX CANYON WILL PREVENT THE BILL FACADE FROM SUFFICIENTLY DRYING OUT LEADING TO MOLD PROBLEMS AND POSSIBLE WATER INTRUSION.

IN ADDITION, THOSE FIFTH FOUR BALCONIES WERE NOT DESIGNED TO HANDLE, UH, THAT KIND OF DRAINAGE ISSUE, THEREBY CAUSING FURTHER WATER DAMAGE THOSE BALCONIES ITSELF.

AS MR. SU STATED, WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN EXTENSIVE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND A COMPROMISE ON A SETBACK AND A RESTRICTION ON HEIGHT AND F A R AS THOSE THINGS WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY MITIGATE THE RISK AND THE DAMAGE TO THE ACL BUILDING AND THE LIVES OF ITS RESIDENTS.

UNFORTUNATELY, AS OF TODAY, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REACH AN AGREEMENT, ALTHOUGH WE ARE HOPEFUL TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.

BUT GIVEN WHERE WE ARE IN OUR NEGOTIATION, ACL HAS NO, UH, OPTION BUT TO FORMALLY OBJECT TO THIS REZONE AND REQUEST THAT YOU DENY IT.

I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

THANK YOU, AND I'LL HEAR FROM MS. ANGELA HOVES.

MS. HOVES, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

UM, I'M REPRESENTING, UM, MYSELF AND OTHER RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN FIFTH AND WEST.

UM, AND WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, THAT THIS BUILDING ONCE INCREASED DENSITY, BUT IS MID-BLOCK.

UM, THE, I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, BUT I'M SORRY.

I GOT IT.

THAT'S THE REALLY BIG CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.

BESIDES THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, THAT IT'S ALREADY A ZOO.

WE HAVE, I WISH EVERYONE COULD WALK AND WOOD WALK THIS, HAVING THIS MID-BLOCK IN ALL OF THEIR RESIDENTS HAVING

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TO EGRESS IN INGRESS ONTO OUR LITTLE TWO-LANE WEST AVENUE, WHICH IS ALREADY EXTREMELY OVERBURDENED ONE LANE EACH WAY.

THEY'RE CONSTANT DELIVERY DROP-OFFS ALREADY.

PEOPLE ARE ALREADY TRYING TO DOUBLE PARK PULLING INTO THE DRIVEWAYS.

FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT DO EXIST, THIS DENSITY WILL MORE THAN DOUBLE.

IT FEELS TO ME PERSONALLY.

AND I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT DMU DOES ALREADY PROVIDE FOR A DENSITY BONUS.

THEY CAN ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS ONE WAY TO HAVE MORE RESIDENTS AND LESS, UH, OF A SITUATION WOULD BE, FOR INSTANCE, TO CUT BACK ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKING.

UH, WE'RE OPPOSED TO DMU BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THAT THIS MID-BLOCK LOCATION, UH, WITH A LIGHT ON EACH END OF A REALLY SHORT, SHORT BLOCK, IS ALREADY OVERLY GRIDLOCKED AND UNSAFE FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING THERE WITH NO PLACE TO PULL OVER AND GO.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING, UM, OUR, THE ZONING CHANGE AS YOU, UM, UH, CONSIDER OUR IMMEDIATE AREA AND OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY AND LIVABILITY.

WE, WE DO WANT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT MORE RESIDENCES, BUT THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL REQUEST FOR AN UNUSUAL LOCATION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WILL NOT HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FOR A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL.

UM, IN, IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING, UM, IMAGINE IF WE SAID WE CAN'T BUILD ANY MORE TALL BUILDINGS NEXT TO TALL BUILDINGS, THAT, THAT WOULD, IT WOULD KIND OF BE A, A WEIRD RESULT DOWNTOWN.

UH, REST ASSURED THAT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND ALL WILL, WILL MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DRAINING ON THEM AND, AND, AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE NOT CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR THEIR BUILDING.

UM, ON, ON FIFTH AND WEST, I I THINK THEY'RE 430 FEET TALL AND THEY'VE GOT A 20 TO ONE F A R.

IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REBUT OTHER THAN TO SAY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR OR THE SAME OR EVEN DENSER THAN OUR NEIGHBORS WITH CBD ZONING AROUND US.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

IF, IF, AGAIN, IF, IF NOT HERE, THEN, THEN WHERE IS KIND OF THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY.

UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, VICE HEMPLE.

WE GOT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, COMMISSIONER MAXWELL, UH, HEARING? NO.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS? SEEING NONE, UH, OKAY.

UH, CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO OUR QUESTIONS.

WE'RE KEEPING IT, WE HAVE TWO CASES.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND KEEP IT AT, UH, EIGHT AT FIVE THIS EVENING.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO USE IT ALL IF WE DON'T NEED TO.

UM, SO WHO HAS FIRST QUESTION THIS EVENING? WE DON'T EVEN HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS.

.

YES.

EVERYBODY GETS AT LEAST ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER CUTZ, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT PETITION THE FLOODPLAIN AND, UH, THE REQUEST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

I GUESS FIRST TO, UM, MR. SUBTLE, UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THIS, UM, FLOODPLAIN REGULATION VARIANCE THAT WAS REFERENCED IN THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION? SURE.

THIS SITE IS, MOST OF THE SITES ALONG, UH, SHO CREEK ARE, WE'RE, WE ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN TO BUILD OUR PROPERTY.

WE'LL, WE'LL NEED A FLOODPLAIN VARIANCE SHOW SAFE, SAFE ACCESS, AND SHOW NO ADVERSE IMPACT DOWNSTREAM.

THAT'S SEPARATE AND APART AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH THE ZONING REQUEST IS TO, IS THE FIRST GATE TO GO THROUGH, ARE WE ABLE TO DO A, A, A DENSE PROJECT HERE? AND BY D I MEAN 359 UNITS? I'M, I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, UH, DO THE VARIANCE THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET, UH, IF YOU GET PASTING, UM, DO THE PROPERTIES AROUND THIS PROPERTY HAVE THE SAME VARIANCE? I BELIEVE THEY DO.

OKAY.

UM, SECOND QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. SO IS, IS, UM, THE O A N A MADE THREE REQUESTS RELATED TO PARKING, UM, DECOUPLING THE PARKING SPACES FROM THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, TRYING TO MAKE THE PARKING LEVELS ADAPTABLE FOR FUTURE REUSE, AND THEN REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.

HAVE, HAS THE APPLICANT AGREED TO ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS TO THEIR SUPPORT? OH MY GOODNESS.

I DON'T KNOW.

WE

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HAVE A SITE PLAN IN, I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE'S A BIG EFFORT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA, YOU DON'T WANNA BUILD ANY MORE PARKING THAN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO MARKET YOUR, YOUR PROJECT.

SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT OVER PARKING IT, WHETHER IT'S BEING BUILT TO BE ABLE TO REUSE OR, UM, OR DECOUPLE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WILL BECOME PART OF THE PROCESS, UH, DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS OR SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO MAKE IT A, A CONDITION.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS FOR, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T GET HER NAME, BUT, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTING THE AUSTIN COFF'S OWNERS ASSOCIATION, IS THAT, UH, MARY ST.

STRATMAN? YES.

OKAY.

YES.

UM, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS FOR, UM, CONDO BUILDINGS LIKE THIS, BUT HAVE Y'ALL CONSIDERED OR ATTEMPTED TO DO A VALID PETITION IF, IF YOUR, UH, HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION ARE VERY OPPOSED TO THIS? UH, YES, WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT.

UM, AND WE'RE NOT PURSUING THAT AT THIS TIME.

OKAY.

THERE'S A LOT OF LAND THAT'S AROUND AND THERE'S A QUESTION I THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE A LEGITIMATE PETITION.

LEGITIMATE BECAUSE OF REACHING THE, REACHING THE 20 THRESHOLD THRESHOLD.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE? UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ASK A FEW, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FOR STAFF AND I MAY NEED HELP FROM, UM, MS. STRATMAN AGAIN, BUT LET'S START WITH STEPH.

SO, UH, COULD YOU JUST QUICKLY, THE HEIGHT LIMIT ON DMU, THE HEIGHT LIMIT ON DMU IS 1 21 20, AND THERE'S NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION FOR C B D.

OKAY.

AND DO YOU KNOW HOW HIGH THE ACL BUILDING IS? HOW TALL? I BELIEVE IT'S 14 STORIES.

OKAY.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT HEIGHT.

12 STORIES.

12 STORIES.

OKAY.

12 STORIES.

DO WE KNOW? SO WHAT DID, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING? IS HEIGHT THERE? ANYBODY KNOW? 14, 10.

UM, BUT IT'S OKAY.

SO IT'S JUST OVER, PARDON? 63 7? LET ME LOOK, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT.

I'M HERE IN, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, MS. STRATMAN, DO YOU KNOW HOW TALL FEET? YES, SIR.

I'M, I JUST DID 10 FEVER HERE.

IN WHAT, THREE YOU THINK? 300? YES.

MY, UM, CLIENT REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE AND THEY SAID IT'S 170 FEET.

REMEMBER, IT'S C B D C O THAT CO CAPPED THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AT THAT HEIGHT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL THE, UH, QUESTIONS I HAD.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M NOT SEEING ANY MORE HANDS FOR QUESTION.

OH, COMMISSIONER MOOCH TELLER, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS QUESTION CAN BE ANSWERED BY STAFF.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, THE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT THE, UM, HOA BROUGHT FORWARD REGARDING THE BUILDINGS AND THE CONSTRUCTION.

HOW, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS? I MEAN, THAT IS REALLY DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.

THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE DEALT WITH, UH, DURING THAT PROCESS.

THAT ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, PROVIDE DETAILS ON DURING THE ZONING PROCESS.

I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO OUR ZONING DECISION, BUT HA HAVE THESE CONCERNS COME UP BEFORE IN OUR DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT SINCE I'M RATHER NEW .

DO YOU HAVE ANY, I MEAN, I CAN REDIRECT THE QUESTIONS.

THE APP APPLICANT, I KNOW THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH BUILDING DOWNTOWN, BUT I'VE BEEN HOP GET FROM SNAP.

YES.

I HAVEN'T HAD, UH, ZONING CASES YET DOWNTOWN, SO, OKAY.

.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU.

BUT I CAN SEE WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WE CAN PUT TOGETHER.

, IT'LL BE GOOD TO KNOW.

UM, THEN I'LL, I'LL REDIRECT THAT QUESTION TO MR. SUBTLE.

UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THIS, THESE CONCERNS BUILDING THE BUILDING IN THESE HIGHER, UM, BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN HANDLED IN OTHER PROJECTS, COMMISSIONER? YES.

UM, A LOT GOES INTO BUILDING THESE HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS AND, UM,

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YOU OFTENTIMES ARE GETTING WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR ON VARIOUS ISSUES.

THE ARCHITECTS ARE VERY CAREFUL TO DESIGN IT, RIGHT.

THE ENGINEERS ARE CAREFUL TO DESIGN IT, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE NOT THE FIRST CITY TO HAVE DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS BUILT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

AND, AND WHAT WE THINK IS TALL, FOUR OR 500 FEET IS IN OTHER CITIES IS NOT TALL.

BUT, UM, IT'S ALL TAKEN.

I GUESS WHAT I'M I'M ASKING IS, IS THERE, HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN THROUGH THIS OR HAVE YOUR ENGINEERS BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE? HAVE, DO WE HAVE A CITY INTERNAL MECHANISM PROCESS FOR MAKING SURE THIS IS DONE SAFELY? OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT THIS IN OTHER AREAS OF OUR CITY AS WELL.

YEAH, NO.

UM, USUALLY BY THE TIME THEY GET READY TO BUILD A BUILDING, I, I PERSONALLY AM OUT OF IT, UN UNLESS THERE'S RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

BUT, UM, THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALL PRETTY GOOD AT IT.

THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S, UH, WE'RE UP TO THREE, UH, MR. COT, WE, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND WE'RE TRYING NOT TO DO REPEATS, UM, IF WE CAN HELP IT.

SO LET'S, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, FISHER, UM, BADA RAMIREZ, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW I'M FLEEING ABOUT THE CASE AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK GENERALLY I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN ISSUE CUZ IT'S STATED, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS TO BE ABOVE A CERTAIN FREE BOARD.

THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS ALL ALONG TO MEET THOSE, UM, FLOOD PA PLANE CONCERNS.

WHAT DOES CONCERN ME IS KIND OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF PLACING THE TALL BUILDING NEXT TO ANOTHER TALL BUILDING AS DISCUSSED THE ENGINEERING, UM, CONCERNS.

UM, AND THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A DESIRE TO BUILD MORE UNITS AND HAVING THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM BE PART OF THIS IS, IS EXCITING AND, AND AN INCENTIVE.

UM, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, BUT WHAT I DO, I REALLY LIKE WHAT THE OLD AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PUT TOGETHER.

THERE ARE THREE POINTS ABOUT DECOUPLING PARKING AND, UM, REDUCING PARKING.

AND, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE THIRD ONE, BUT, AND THE REASON IS, WHAT DOES CONCERN ME IS HAVING THE, THE, A TALL PARKING STRUCTURE NEXT TO THIS BUILDING.

SO I WOULD REALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FORMULATE THAT INTO A MOTION OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT IS MY, MY NUMBER ONE PROBLEM WITH THIS PROJECT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, WE ARE AT FOUR.

I'M JUST ASKED, DO WE ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION OR DO WE REALLY NEED ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATIONS BEFORE MOVING ON? DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION OF THAT MOTION.

OKAY.

GO AHEAD.

AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, LAST QUESTION.

COULD I ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT WE JUST HEARD ABOUT, UM, THE CONCERN ABOUT MAYBE THE PARKING GARAGE NEXT TO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ACL HAS A PARKING GARAGE, BUT THEN THEY HAVE RESIDENCES.

AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS YOUR PARKING GARAGE AND HOW HIGH IT MIGHT GO? AND CAN WE GET ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THAT? YEAH, RIGHT NOW OUR PARKING GARAGE IS A LITTLE TALLER THAN, THAN THEIRS.

THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT STEPPING BACK.

THE OTHER CHALLENGE WE HAVE ON PARKING ON THIS SIDE IS IT'S PRETTY NARROW.

SO TO GET AN EFFICIENT PARKING BASE, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH MOVEMENT THERE.

BUT IF, IF, IF THE CONCERN IS THE THREE THINGS THAT OLD AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, UM, HAS SAID ABOUT DECOUPLING, REDUCING AND REUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT IN A RECOMMENDATION, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT BACK TO MY CLIENT AS PART OF A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE.

THANK YOU.

I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS, OKAY.

WE HAVE A FEW MORE SPOTS FOR QUESTIONS, OTHERWISE, WE'LL, OKAY.

MOVE ON TO MOTION CHAIR.

I MOVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF C B D C.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, SECOND.

MY VICE CHAIR.

HIPPLE, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION, COMMISS ANDERSON? SURE.

UM, IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE HAVE EXPANDED THE CBD.

UM, AS FAR AS JUST REALLY GETTING MORE KIND OF CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ZONING OUT THERE, AND MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT WE CAN, IT'S TOO BAD THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT SO PIECEMEAL.

THERE'S DEFINITELY A BIG NEED FOR MORE, UH, CBD ZONING.

I KNOW JUST IN OUR LAST AGENDA, WE LOOKED AT 64 EAST A, WHICH LOOKS TO BE, I THINK OVER A HUNDRED FEET TALLER THAN THIS.

AND IT WAS ALSO A MID-BLOCK DEVELOPMENT.

SO WITH, WITH THE LAND VALUES BEING WHAT THEY ARE, I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA START TO SEE A LOT MORE MID-BLOCK DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT FLOODPLAIN.

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I LIVE ON THE 33RD FLOOR OF A BUILDING AND I GET NOTICES THAT I HAVE TO PAY FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE SAME FLOODPLAIN.

SO THERE'S JUST WAYS THAT WE BUILD AROUND THAT AND WE BUILD TO MAKE THESE BUILDINGS SAFE.

I THINK ACL WAS BUILT SAFELY.

I THINK FIFTH AND WEST WERE BUILT SAFE AS WELL.

AND THEY'RE ALSO IN THE SAME FLOODPLAIN.

UM, AND, AND I KNOW WE HAVE RESIDENTS FROM FIFTH AND WEST HERE.

UM, IT WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO WHEN THE OWNERS OF THE, UH, TEXAS PRESS ASSOCIATION BUILDING CAME TO ME SAYING, HEY, WE WANNA BUILD A LARGE CONDO BUILDING ON THIS SITE.

COULD YOU PLEASE HELP US? AND SO WORKING FOR MAYOR PRO TEM CHERYL COLE, I WROTE A RESOLUTION TO HELP THEM BE A 400 FOOT TALL BUILDING.

CUZ BACK THEN THEY COULDN'T BE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST 10 YEARS LATER AND US JUST TRYING TO BUILD MORE HOUSING AND IT'S TOO BAD WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE MORE CBD ON THE GROUND.

THEN, I'M SORRY, ACL L WAS LIMITED TO 1 70 15, 20 YEARS AGO, I GUESS NOW.

BUT THIS, THIS BUILDING 20 YEARS LATER DOES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

SO I'M EXCITED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND SEE MORE HOMES BUILT DOWNTOWN.

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, SPEAKING AGAINST THIS MOTION.

ANYONE SPEAKING, FORWARD IN FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT, SO THIS, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.

UH, THIS IS THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, SECONDED BY BY CHAIR HEMPLE.

AND THIS IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE FOR, FOR THOSE ON THE DIAS, UH, IN FAVOR.

SO ONE, TWO IN FAVOR.

THAT'S THREE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THOSE, UH, VIRTUALLY IN FAVOR.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THOSE ON THE DI UM, AGAINST THOSE VIRTUALLY AGAINST, AND I SEE YELLOW.

SO NOW THOSE ABSTAIN I HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONERS SO THAT THAT DOES NOT PASS.

RIGHT? SIX TWO.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, YEAH, WE HAVE LOW NUMBERS TONIGHT, WHICH IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM.

UH, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO? I DON'T THINK, UH, WITH THE TWO ABSTENTIONS, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER MOTIONS MOTION APPROVAL? CAN WE DO, WHAT WAS THE COMMISSION? LET'S GO AHEAD AND KEEP IT, UH, OPEN.

SO LET'S, UM, SO THAT MOTION DID NOT PASS.

UM, CHAIR, GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER COX, AM I ABLE TO ASK A QUESTION TO STAFF? CUZ THAT MIGHT CHANGE MY VOTE.

LET'S, LET'S DO THAT.

IF IT CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND, UH, MR. COX, GO AHEAD AND ASK, ASK HER QUESTION.

YEAH, I, UH, I FORGOT TO ASK THIS.

DURING MY TIME, I WAS CURIOUS AS TO THE, UH, CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE ALTERNATIVE FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE COCKTAIL LOUNGE USES.

UM, I'M NOT KNOWN TO BE A BIG ADVOCATE OF BARS, BUT WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ON SIXTH STREET, SO I WAS CURIOUS WHERE THOSE, UH, PROHIBITED USES CAME FROM.

YES.

I'M ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THIS, A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION WAS PUT TOGETHER, UH, THIS PAST FALL.

AND SO IT'S BEEN INFORMATION THAT I'VE BEEN REVIEWING.

SO, UM, IS THAT, SO THE QUESTION IS ABOUT WHERE, WHERE THE COS ORIGINATED? YES.

OR HOW DID THOSE ORIGINATE? OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE HAD THOSE FOUR SPECIFIC USE.

SO THAT SPECIFIC USE, THIS WERE FROM WENDY WHEN SHE GOT, THOSE ARE FROM WENDY UHHUH YOU.

RIGHT.

SO, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY INITIATE IT FROM US.

YEAH.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

IT'S JUST UP TO YOU.

WE DON'T NEED IT.

UM, I'M SORRY, JOY HARDEN.

I ALMOST SAID HOUSING PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

, UH, , I'M SORRY.

DUNNO WHAT DEPARTMENT I'M IN.

SO THIS STAFF REPORT INITIATED WITH WENDY RHODES A FORMER EMPLOYEE, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE.

AND THEN NANCY, SO GRACIOUSLY HELPED PICK THIS UP.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE THESE USES CAME FROM.

WE'RE TALKING TO THE APPLICANT.

SO WENDY WAS THE CASE MANAGER.

SHE'S NO LONGER, UM, AND IT'S FUNNY THAT NANCY AND I TALKED ABOUT WHERE DID THESE USE PROHIBITED USES COME FROM? SO WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE WE CAME.

OH.

OH, I THINK THEY CAME, THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUESTED IT.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, SO, OKAY.

UM, OKAY.

BUT IT'S FUNNY THAT I JUST ASKED THAT BEFORE.

DO YOU WANNA GIVE YOUR QUESTION MORE CONTEXT? MS. UH, COMMISSIONER COX, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM JUST TO HELP THEM.

SO IT SEEMS, DID, IT APPEARS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUESTED THESE USES, SINCE THOSE USES

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ARE NOT PERMITTED IN D M U AND IT'S, IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT AGREED TO PROHIBITING THOSE USES BECAUSE THEY WERE REQUESTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WENDY, HOW GREAT SHE WAS INCORPORATED, INCORPORATED THOSE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND WE'RE FIGURING THAT OUT RIGHT NOW.

NO, NO, THAT, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND REAL QUICK.

MM-HMM.

, ARE WE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO ADD TO THAT CO RELATED TO, UH, LIKE ADAPTIVE REUSE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING GARAGES? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S NO.

THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IN A MOTION? UH, YOU CANNOT PUT THAT IN A CO BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF 25 2.

IT'S NOT PART OF A ZONING, SO, NO.

OKAY.

AND THAT, THAT ALSO APPLIES TO THE DECOUPLING, THE PARKING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, COST.

I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT QUESTION.

I'M APOLOGIES.

THE, THE DECOUPLING OF THE, UH, THE PARKING COSTS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL COSTS, WE CAN'T DO THAT TOO, SINCE THAT'S NOT PART OF CORRECT.

SO, OKAY.

SO MS. HARDEN, JUST THINGS WE CAN DO OR, OKAY.

UH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK? YES.

WELL, I, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU, I, I AGREE.

I THINK IT CAN'T BE PART OF THE CO BUT AS WE DUG THROUGH THE PAPERWORK, THE, THE OLD AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP WROTE US A LETTER OF SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, AND IN THAT LETTER IT TALKS ABOUT THE PARKING AND WE AGREED TO THE LETTER WITH TED AND THAT.

SO WE'VE AGREED TO THAT.

WE JUST HAVE, DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO DO IT YET, BUT WE'VE AGREED TO IT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND, AND ON THE USES WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH THE USES.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD ALSO ASKED US FOR THOSE USES.

WE WERE FINE WITH TAKING 'EM OFF.

YOU WANNA PUT 'EM MIC ON? WE'RE FINE WITH THAT TOO, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD ASKED US FOR THEM.

SO CHAIR, I'M JUST, YES.

SO YOU, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO, NOW THAT I'VE ASKED MY QUESTION, I I'M, I'M WILLING TO, UH, CHANGE MY VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION IF, IF WE WANNA REOPEN THAT.

SO, UM, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

WE'VE GOT, UM, COMMISSIONER VADA RAMIREZ.

YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE, WELL, I WAS GONNA OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION, BUT IF WE HAVE THE VOTES, THEN I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT I NEED TO, OKAY.

SO MR. RIVERA, DO WE NEED TO DO A RESCIND OR? NOPE.

YES.

IF I MAY, SINCE OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN IS IN HERE, YOU ACTUALLY NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER MADE BY SOMEONE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH I THINK THAT QUALIFIES AS, AND THEN SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO SECOND THEN YOU VOTE ON THE RECONSIDERATION.

SO COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER YOU HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE RECONSIDERATION? SEEING NONE, UH, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE UP, UH, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND, CAUSE WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? OKAY.

DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND RESTATE YOUR MOTION? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? SURE.

UH, MOVE APPROVAL FOR, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF CBD CO.

AND DO WE STILL HAVE A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR HEMPEL? YES.

OKAY.

UH, LET'S GO.

AND, UH, ANY DISCUSSION AT ALL ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

OH, GO AHEAD.

CHEMISTRY.

MY, YEAH, JUST MY, MY ONLY DISCUSSION IS THAT I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS CONSIDERING, UM, WHAT THE OLD AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CONSI, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT FORTH IN THEIR LETTER.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS PART OF THEIR EVENTUAL AGREEMENT, WHETHER IT IS IN THE FORM OF A, UM, RESTRICTED COVENANT OR HOWEVER IT'S STATED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

WELL, LET'S GO AND, UH, ARE THERE, LET'S DO THIS.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS MOTION? OKAY, IT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU.

THE MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS FOR WORKING THROUGH THAT.

UM, AND, UH, SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT ALL OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSISTENCE, COMMISSIONER COX.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM.

THIS IS ITEM ITEM

[16. Historic Zoning: C14H-2022-0176 - Broken Spoke ; District 5]

16.

AND, OH, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, STAFF IS THE APPLICANT YES, JUDGE.

AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS IN, IS IN OPPOSITION.

YOU GOT IT.

CHECK.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, ITEM 16, OH, I'M CALLEN CONTRERAS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR CITY OF AUSTIN IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

UM, ITEM 16, CASE NUMBER C 14 H 2022.

1 76 IS A CITY COUNCIL INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING CASE FOR THE BROKEN SPOKE AT 32 0 1 SOUTH LAMAR BOULEVARD.

UH, IN MARCH, 2023.

THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDED HISTORIC ZONING UNDER THE CRITERIA FOR COMMUNITY VALUE ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS.

RESOLUTION 20 22, 1100 3081 ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER, 2022, DIRECTS THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW AND ADVANCE THE PROPERTY FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION THROUGH LANDMARK COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, UH,

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THE LANDOWNER IS OPPOSED TO DESIGNATION.

UM, THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION OUTLINES THE BROKEN SPOKE, BROKEN SPOKE SIGNIFICANCE AS FOLLOWS, SINCE ITS FOUNDING IN 1964 BY JAMES WHITE, WHOSE FAMILY STILL OWNS AND OPERATES THE VENUE, THE BROKEN SPOKE HAS ENTERTAINED LEGIONS OF AUSTINITES AND VISITORS FROM AROUND THE GLOBE.

IT HELPED SHAPE THE CAREERS OF MANY COUNTRY MUSIC SUPERSTARS AND DEFINE THE CHARACTER OF THE LAG MUSIC CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

AS THE AREA AROUND THE BROKEN SPOKE HAS PROSPERED AND SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED, IT IS IMPERATIVE TO SECURE THIS VENUE FROM A FATE SUFFERED BY MANY IN THE CITY.

THE BROKEN SPOKE IS MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD AND RETAINS ITS INTEGRITY AS A CLASSIC TEXAS MUSIC AND DANCE HALL, IT HAS SIGNIFICANT LONG-STANDING ASSOCIATIONS WITH PER PERSONS GROUPS AND EVENTS OF CITY AND STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE AND PROVIDES DISTINCT COMMUNITY VALUE AS A CORNERSTONE OF AUSTIN'S LIVE MUSIC SCENE.

IN 2015, NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, NOMINATION AUTHOR CATHERINE CLARK EXPANDED UPON THE BUILDING'S SIGNIFICANCE UNDER THE FEDERAL CRITERIA FOR ARCHITECTURE AND ASSOCIATIONS.

IT QUICKLY BECAME A STAPLE OF THE COUNTRY MUSIC SCENE AS THE ONLY LOCAL HONKYTONK TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN CLASSIC COUNTRY ACTS LIKE THE TEXAS PLAYBOYS, ROY AKF, ERNEST TUB, EVEN A LATE SIXTIES CLEAN SHAVEN WILLIE NELSON AT THE START OF HIS CAREER.

AND NEWER ACTS, INCLUDING FRIA, THE FIRE DOGS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL, DOLLY PARTON, JERRY, JEFF WALKER, AND GEORGE STRAIT.

THE BUILDING IS A TYPICAL MODEST TEXAS HONKY-TONK WITH THE PORCH FACADE AND DANCE FLOOR AS ITS MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS.

THE RAMBLING PLAN REPRESENTS BOTH TYPICAL HONKY TONK DESIGNS AND THE ESTABLISHMENTS INCREASING IMPORTANCE THROUGH ITS CONTINUED USE.

THE BUILDING RETAINS HIGH INTEGRITY.

AS NOTED IN DONNA MARIE MILLER'S 2017 HISTORY.

THE BROKEN SPOKE REMAINS AUTHENTIC AFTER MORE THAN 50 YEARS.

WRIGHTS MILLER, ONE OF THE ONLY RENOVATIONS OCCURRED IN 2005 WHEN A TOUR BUS DROVE THROUGH THE BACK WALL.

TOOK FOUR DAYS TO REMOVE THE VENUE.

RECEIVED AN HONORIFIC STATE HISTORICAL MARKER EARLIER THIS MONTH TO COMMEMORATE ITS CULTURAL IMPORTANCE TO TEXAS MUSIC IN HER DEDICATED IN HER DEDICATION SPEECH.

TEXAS FIRST LADY ABBOTT NOTED THAT PLACES LIKE THE BROKEN SPOKE ARE CRUCIAL TOUCHPOINT WITH TEXAS CULTURE CONNECTING US WITH OUR HERITAGE AND WITH EACH OTHER.

UH, GIVEN THE OWNER OPPOSITION TO DESIGNATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COUNCIL PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FROM CS TO C S H, UH, FOR THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ONLY, UH, RATHER THAN THE ENTIRE PARCEL.

THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MS. DONNA MILLER, MARIE MILLER, MS. DONNA MARIE MILLER.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

HELLO.

I WAS GONNA SHOW MY SLIDESHOW.

I'M DONNA MARIE MILLER.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BROKEN SPOKEN PICTURES.

AND, UM, I REPRESENT JAMES AND ANNETTE WHITE, THE LATE JAMES WHITE AND THE WHITE FAMILY, AND THE BROKEN SPOKE.

AND I, I THINK THAT THE PICTURES THAT WE HAVE ARE ALL FROM THE BOOK.

WE DO HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE NEW.

THIS WAS ORIGINALLY THE BUILDING WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 64 AND THE GEEN LAW ACT WAS ONE OF THEIR LONGEST RUNNING.

AND OF COURSE, BOB WILLS THE LEADER OF THE TEXAS PLAYBOYS.

WARREN SMITH AND DAVE PERRY BAND WERE ONE OF THE FIRST LOCAL BANDS.

AND THIS IS WILLIE NELSON, CLEAN SHAVEN SHORT HAIR.

HE STARTED IN 68 AT THE BROKEN SPOKE IN HIS BAND.

AND HERE, UH, A PICTURE MORE FROM 1991, TAKEN BY RICK HENSON AND HANK THOMPSON.

MANY PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER HIM AS WELL, BUT KITTY WELLS, PATSY MONTANA, AND OF COURSE GEORGE STRAIT WHO STARTED THERE IN 75 AND PLAYED ALL THE WAY TO 1980 WHEN HIS HIT UNWOUND MADE HIM VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND MR. WHITE COULD NO LONGER AFFORD TO BOOK HIM.

BUT GEORGE STRAIT REMEMBERED GEORGE REMEMBERED THE WHITE SO MUCH THAT HE PUT A PICTURE OF THE BROKEN SPOKE ON HIS RECENT ALBUM, HONKY TONK TIME MACHINE.

AND HE ALSO MADE A VIDEO THERE WITH MR. WHITE IN IT, MARSHA BALL, WHO PLAYED FOR CONGRESSMAN LLOYD DOGGETT UNDER THE NAME OF BREEDING THE FIRE DOGS WHEN HE HAD HIS FIRST FUNDRAISER THERE IN 73.

GARY P NUN, WHO STILL OCCASIONALLY PLAYS THERE.

AND ALVIN CROW IS LIKE THE RESIDENT, UM, COUNTRY AND WESTERN BAND.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD.

LET'S SEE.

THERE WE GO.

ERNEST TUG, JERRY, JEFF WALKER, THE LATE JERRY, JEFF WALKER, AND OF COURSE, THE TEXAS PLAYBOYS REUNION IN 75 SONS OF THE PIONEERS.

AND JOHNNY BUSH, THE LATE JOHNNY BUSH AND TEXAS PLAYBOYS PERFORMED THERE WITH LEON ROSH AND ALVIN CROWE, DWIGHT YOAKUM,

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FRED FENDER, JOHNNY RODRIGUEZ, AND RAY PRICE.

AND THIS WAS A SORT OF A, A REUNION GET TOGETHER WITH JOEY LEE, BILLY JOE SHAVER, K***Y FRIEDMAN IN MARY HATTERSLEY IN 2006, THE LATE RUSTY WEAR AND LATE JERRY, JEFF WALKER, WILLIE NELSON INVITED CHRIS CHRISTOFFERSON TO COME AND PLAY AT THE BROKEN, SPOKE WITH HIM AFTER THE WHITES DONATED $10,000 THAT THEY HAD COLLECTED IN A PICKLE JAR AT THE BROKEN SPOKE TO HELP GO TOWARDS HIS $16.5 MILLION IRS BILL THAT YEAR.

AND IT MADE NATIONAL HEADLINES ALL OVER THE WORLD AND PUT THE BROKEN SPOKE ON THE MAP.

WILLIE NELSON AGAIN WITH CHRIS CHRISTOFFERSON AND DOUG SAM AND ALVIN CROWE, THE SONS OF JOHNNY CASH BEGAN THERE IN 20,000.

UH, JAMES WHITE, JOEY LEE, GARY PENAN, AND D JIMMY DALE GILMORE WITH CHRIS WALL HAD A BROKEN SPOKE SERIES AT THE BASS CONCERT HALL THAT RAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NINETIES.

ONCE EVERY FEW MONTHS IT WAS VERY POPULAR.

AND DOLLY PARTON FILMED HER WILD TEXAS WIND TV SHOW, TV MOVIE THERE IN 91.

BUT I HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER THE BROKEN SPOKE IN YOUR YOUR VOTE TONIGHT FOR HISTORIC ZONING.

THEY'RE WELL DESERVING.

I PUT A BRAG SHEET UP ON THE, UH, EMAIL AS WELL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I KNOW THE WHITE FAMILY WANNA TALK TO YOU NEXT.

THANKS.

THANK YOU.

AND I'LL HEAR FROM MS. JENNY WHITE.

MS. WHITE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YEAH, MY MOM'S GONNA, I DON'T CARE.

THANKS.

HELLO.

HI, MY NAME'S JENNY WHITE PE BEAR WITH THAT.

JUST ONE SECOND.

I APOLOGIZE.

HOPE WE'RE GONNA TURN THAT MIC ON.

HI, MY NAME'S JENNY WHITE PEACOCK AND UH, MY PARENTS ARE JAMES ANTA WHITE, THE OWNERS OF THE BROKEN SPOKE.

AND, UH, WE'RE VERY HONORED TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WISH MY DAD WAS HERE.

HE WOULD ABSOLUTELY ADORE ALL OF THIS THAT'S GOING ON.

UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LOVE THAT THE BROKEN SPOKE IS GETTING.

SO, UM, WE REALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO, I Y'ALL KNOW, A LOT OF THE BACKSTORY, SO WE REALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY THAT MIGHT WORK THE BEST.

SPEAK UP.

YES, YOU AND I WILL FOLLOW.

YEAH, WE'LL GET TO THE Q AND A AS SOON AS WE HEAR, UH, GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THEY'RE GONNA CHAIR.

THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THE, ON THIS ITEM.

THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, STAFF.

UH, WELL, UH, FORGOT THE REBUTTAL.

MY APOLOGIES.

JUST TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT SOMEONE OVER THERE.

.

WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM, UH, THE OPPOSITION MR. S AUTUMN CHAIR MEMBERS OF COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS RICHARD SU AND I REPRESENT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN THE BUILDING.

BUT I WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE BROKEN SPOKE.

WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO TAKE THE BROKEN SPOKE OUT.

THERE ARE NO DEMO PERMITS.

THERE ARE NO DEMOLITION PLANS.

WE LOVE THE BROKEN SPOKE.

I I COULD PROBABLY SHOW UP IN SOME OF THOSE OLD PICTURES OF THE BROKEN SPOKE, BUT I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.

UM, THE BROKEN SPOKE FOLKS LEASE FROM MY, MY CLIENT, THEY OWN IT.

AND UNDER THAT LEASE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING UP THE BUILDING AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND WHEN THIS CAME UP, UM, I LOOKED AT IT ACTUALLY LOOKING OUT FOR THE, THE BROKEN SPOKE BECAUSE WITH HISTORIC ZONING COMES SOME RESPONSIBILITIES AND OBLIGATIONS AND OFTENTIMES SOME EXPENSES.

I FELT LIKE I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO UNKNOWINGLY GET SADDLED WITH THESE THINGS WITHOUT CONVERSATION.

I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF FINDING OUT THAT THEY HAVE SINCE HIRED JEFF HOWARD TO REPRESENT THEM IN THE CASE.

AND JEFF AND I HAD A QUICK CONVERSATION THIS LAST WEEK, BUT JEFF WAS LEAVING TOWN AND WE TALKED ABOUT POSTPONING.

BUT IN TWO WEEKS I WON'T BE IN TOWN.

AND I WANTED TO BE HERE TO MAKE SURE AND CLARIFY THAT WE'RE NOT AGAINST THE BROKEN SPOKE AT ALL.

WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DONE THOUGHTFULLY SO THAT THE BROKEN SPOKE DOESN'T GET UNKNOWINGLY ENTANGLED UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

RIGHT

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NOW, WITH NO PERMITS IN PLACE, THE, THE, THE SPOKE IS PROTECTED.

IF, IF THERE WAS EVER A PROBLEM THAT CAME UP, THE SPOKE WOULD THEN GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC PROCESS.

BUT RIGHT NOW THEY CAN ACTUALLY MAKE REPAIRS AND THEY CAN DO ALL THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO OUT THERE WITHOUT GETTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

AND IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA REPLACE A WINDOW OR REPLACE A SIGN OR REPLACE ANYTHING ON THE OUTSIDE, YOU GET A RIDE AND OFF.

SOMETIMES IT'S A QUICK RIDE, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT SO QUICK.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE RAISE THIS.

SO AS THE OWNERS, WE JUST, WE'RE TOSSING IN A VERY SOFT, WE OBJECT, BUT WE'RE ALL FOR THE BROKEN SPOKE.

WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT BEFORE THEY GET SADDLED WITH THIS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, TRI.

NOW THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, DO HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, IS COMMISSIONER MAXWELL SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

ANY OBJECTIONS? ALL RIGHT, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO Q AND A.

WHO WANTS TO START US UP? OH, COMMISSIONER MAXWELL.

UH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UH, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE CONCERNS THAT WERE JUST HIGHLIGHTED, UH, CAN YOU GIVE SOME CONTEXT AND DETAILS AS TO WHAT PRESERVATION WOULD LOOK LIKE AND SORT OF THE ENCUMBRANCES THAT MIGHT COME WITH THIS DECISION? ABSOLUTELY, COMMISSIONER.

UM, SO HISTORIC ZONING DOES REQUIRE UPKEEP TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC INTEGRITY AS IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST 59 YEARS.

UM, NO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR HISTORIC REVIEW IS REQUIRED FOR ORDINARY MAINTENANCE AND IN-KIND REPAIR.

SO, YOU KNOW, REPLACING SIDING, DOING KIND OF, UM, THE NORMAL YEARLY MAINTENANCE YOU WOULD DO ON ANY BUILDING.

UM, FOR THINGS LIKE WINDOW REPLACEMENT OR, UM, MAJOR FACADE MODIFICATIONS THAT WILL REQUIRE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

AND DEPENDING ON HOW, UH, BIG THE PROJECT IS, IT COULD REQUIRE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, UH, REVIEW AS WELL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU MORE.

YEAH.

I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR THE ANSWERS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE Y'ALL COME UP .

UM, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR Y'ALL JUST TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF IN TERMS OF THIS MOVING FORWARD AS A DESIGNATION.

SO WE ACTUALLY ALREADY OWN, IS IT ON, UM, WE ACTUALLY ALREADY OWN A HISTORICAL BUILDING IN OAK HILL.

WE'VE OWNED IT SINCE 1960.

IT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT BY MY GREAT-GREAT GRANDFATHER.

SO WE ARE AWARE OF HISTORICAL BUILDINGS AND THE UPKEEP ALSO, I'D LIKE TO SAY, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 59 YEARS AND NOBODY'S EVER TAKEN CARE OF THE BUILDING EXCEPT FOR US.

UH, WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK DIFFERENT.

WE WANT IT TO LOOK THE SAME.

MY DAD USED TO DO A SPEECH WHERE HE SAID, WE AIN'T CHANGING NOTHING.

HE WAS SERIOUS ABOUT THAT .

UM, SO IT, BECAUSE IT'S AN I THE WAY IT LOOKS, IT'S ICONIC, SO YOU DON'T WANNA CHANGE IT.

THAT'S NOT, THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME THERE.

UM, ALSO I AM, I'M NOT SURE WE TALKED WITH HER WITH THE HAIR, BUT THERE IS SOME GRANT MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH A HISTORICAL STATUS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAYBE MAKE THE LANDOWNERS HAPPY CUZ IT WOULD BE, UH, LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT OPENS UP IF WE GET THE HISTORICAL ZONING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT'S THE LIST OF MY QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

HEY, MAYBE I, I BELIEVE A QUESTION FOR THE, THE SUPPORTERS OF HISTORIC YEAH.

I'LL STAY .

SURE.

THANK YOU.

ARE YOU ALL STILL THERE TODAY? AND, AND, AND I GUESS LIKE WHAT IS YOUR ROLE TODAY ON, ON THE SITE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT? WHAT IS THEIR ROLE? WHAT IS THE, I'M SORRY.

WHAT IS YOUR ROLE DO AT THE BROKENS VOTE? YEAH, SO MY MOM, ANTA WHITE IS THE OWNER.

UH, AND I WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR 25 YEARS UNTIL I HAD A, I MEAN, A SERIOUS ILLNESS IN 2018, WHICH I ENDED UP LOSING SEVERAL OF MY FINGERS IN BOTH OF MY LEGS.

SO I DON'T DO THE MANAGEMENT DAY TO DAY EX MY HUSBAND DOES IT, SO I MANAGE HIM AND THEN HE MANAGE LOVE IT.

I I TELL HIM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DO IT.

UM, AND THEN I ALSO DO ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE WEBSITES AND BOOK ALL THE BANDS, ET CETERA.

IT IS A ONE MAN.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S A, IT'S A MOM AND POP, UH, BUSINESS, BUT NOBODY ELSE I DON'T THINK WOULD KNOW HOW TO RUN IT LIKE WE DO.

UH, AND, UH, SO HEY, YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

AND WHO

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