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TO THE PUBLIC

[CALL TO ORDER]

SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING, UM, FOR MAY.

UM, WE ARE OFFICIALLY CALLING IT TO ORDER.

I'LL DO A ROLL CALL FOR EVERYONE.

UM, COMMISSIONER ORR.

COMMISSIONER HOLMES.

COMMISSIONER RUTAN HERE.

COMMISSIONER SIERRA AVALO IS NOT GONNA BE JOINING US TODAY.

COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT HERE.

COMMISSIONER HALL.

MARTIN HERE.

COMMISSIONER NGUYEN PRESENT.

AND COMMISSIONER PENA WAS ON HER WAY, BUT NOT HERE, SO I'M ASSUMING SHE'LL JOIN US LATE.

SHE DID SAY SHE WOULD BE HERE.

OKAY.

SO SHE'S NOT WITH US YET THOUGH.

UM, WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE EVERYONE A HEADS UP THAT THE AGENDA IS GONNA BE A BIT OUT OF ORDER.

UM, I'M GONNA WORK ON, WE'RE GONNA WORK AROUND SOME AVAILABILITY AND SOME SCHEDULING SO THAT WE CAN GET TO EVERYBODY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE BODIES THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE ROOM.

UM, SO, UM, FIRST THINGS FIRST, I THINK, DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL COMMUNICATION BESIDES THE AGENDA? ITEM NUMBER FIVE? NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE ELSE.

OKAY.

SO IF IT'S NOT ON THAT LIST IN FRONT OF YOU, OKAY.

WE'LL TAKE THESE TWO SPEAKERS ALONG WITH ITEM FIVE WHEN THAT COMES UP, AND THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO

[1. Approve the minutes of the PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION REGULAR CALLED MEETING on April 3, 2023.]

THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UM, DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES? MM-HMM.

.

AND, UM, ALSO A QUICK THING ABOUT THE MINUTES.

I KNOW THAT, UM, SOME OF US HAVE GOTTEN INTO THE HABIT OF ABSTAINING, UM, WHEN WE WEREN'T PRESENT FOR THE MEETING BEFORE.

REALLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING, I CHECKED IN WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND OUR MINUTES NEED TO GET POSTED, AND IN ORDER FOR OUR MINUTES TO GET POSTED, WE NEED SIX VOTES, .

AND SO WHEN PEOPLE ABSTAIN AND WE END UP MINUS, MINUS VOTES, OUR MINUTES DON'T GET POSTED TO THE SITE.

AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE DO, IT'S, IT'S REALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING.

IT REALLY IS JUST ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T HERE PREVIOUSLY, BUT IF I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE HELP GETTING THESE APPROVED SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THEM POSTED.

UM, WITH THAT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR OBJECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? NOPE.

THEN I JUST GOTTA DO A ROLL CALL THOUGH, RIGHT? SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL FOR THEM.

UM, WE WILL START WITH COMMISSIONER NUEN.

I, UH, APPROVE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HALL MARTIN APPROVED.

COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT? YES.

COMMISSIONER RUTTEN.

APPROVE.

COMMISSIONER KOFF.

UM, WELL, SINCE I WASN'T CALLED DURING THE ROLL CALL, I AM HERE.

OH, GOD.

AND I, AND THEN I WILL ALSO APPROVE, COMMISSIONER KOFF IS HERE.

APOLOGIES.

COMMISSIONER KOFF IS HERE, AND I'M ACTUALLY VERY HAPPY THAT HE IS HERE TODAY.

UM, COMMISSIONER HOLMES? YES.

UM, COMMISSIONER ORR? YES.

OKAY.

THAT IS GREAT.

I'M MAKING SURE THAT HE'S ON THE LIST.

OKAY.

AND WITH THAT,

[5. Austin License Plate Reader Program]

WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE STUFF AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

WE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA TAKE THE AUSTIN LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM DISCUSSION TO THE TOP OF THE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN GET PEOPLE THAT CAN'T BE HERE LATER IN AND OUT.

UM, SO IF WE COULD HAVE, UM, UM, I BELIEVE JEFF GREENWALT, IF HE'S HERE, OR WHOEVER'S COMING FROM A P D TO JOIN OUR DISCUSSION.

UM, COMMISSIONER NEK PITTS IS ONLINE AND HE'S JOINING US FROM THE COMMUNITY TECHNOLOGY AND COMMUNICATION COMMISSION.

WE ALSO HAVE, UM, CHRIS HARRIS AND SARAH RODRIGUEZ JOINING US FOR THE DISCUSSION.

SO IF WE CAN JUST HAVE EVERYBODY COME ON UP, WE CAN GET STARTED.

AND, UM, MS. RODRIGUEZ AND MR. HARRIS, UM, YOU EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR REMARKS, AND IF YOU COULD JUST STAY AT THE TABLE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS WHILE WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

HI.

AND I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER PENYA HAS ARRIVED, SO SHE'S JOINING US AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

HI.

YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS WITH THE CURRENT POLICY.

UM, ONE BEING SORT OF THE VAGUE LANGUAGE FOR THE HOT LIST, UM, ALLOWING FOR

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PRETTY MUCH A MULTITUDE OF OFFENSES.

UM, IT'S VERY VAGUE AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE CUT DOWN TO SPECIFIC OFFENSES AND CAN BE UPDATED TO ADD OFFENSES AS NEEDED, OR REMOVE OFFENSES AS NEEDED.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S, I THINK, REALLY ALMOST ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE LISTED AS NON PROHIBITIVE USE, UM, ARE LISTED ON THERE.

SO IT'S, IT'S VERY WIDE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL OFFENSES THAT COULD FALL UNDER THAT.

UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE BETTER POLICY ON THE USE OF DATA PROVIDED THAT WE'RE NOT CAPTURING AS A CITY, BUT THAT'S PER, UH, CAPTURED BY THE, UM, PRIVATE COMPANY OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ON HOW THAT IS REVIEWED AND WHAT IS TAKEN.

UM, THAT'S REALLY VERY, VERY LIMITED.

THERE'S NOT MUCH LANGUAGE AND POLICY AROUND THAT.

UM, AND THERE'S ALSO NO LANGUAGE ABOUT AUDITING HOW LONG THE DATA IS KEPT.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT CAN BE A CONCERN JUST GIVEN HOW MUCH DATA IS COLLECTED, UM, AND WHAT WE KNOW FROM PAST EXPERIENCES WITH THINGS LIKE BLUE LEAKS WHERE DATA HAS BEEN KEPT FOR A LONG AMOUNT OF TIME, MUCH LONGER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, IF AT ALL.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, LANGUAGE ON 34, 4 0.32 B, UM, ITEM OR ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ALSO VAGUE WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT DECIDING WHERE ALPR SHOULD BE PUT IN PLACE.

UM, I THINK THAT'S LEFT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF A COUPLE PEOPLE AND POLICE, WHICH IS A CONCERN, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT IT FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE.

I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

AND ALSO GIVEN SORT OF THE, UM, INEQUITABLE, UM, PLANNING THAT HAS HAPPENED, THAT HAS RESULTED IN A LOT OF MAJOR ARTERIALS BEING IN EAST AUSTIN.

UM, SO TAKING THINGS LIKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

UM, YEAH, THOSE ARE MY MAIN, MAIN ISSUE, MY MAIN CONCERNS.

UM, SO I CAN HAND IT OVER TO YOU, CHRIS.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

IS THAT BETTER? ALL RIGHT.

GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSION.

UH, MY NAME IS CHRIS HARRIS.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF POLICY AT THE AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN SEPTEMBER, WHEN THIS ITEM, UH, WAS UP BEFORE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF BRINGING BACK THIS CONTRACT? SO, UH, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY, THE CONTRACT WITH 400, YOU KNOW, 13, I BELIEVE THOUSAND DOLLARS WAS, UH, WAS CANCELED, UH, AS PART OF THE BUDGET, UH, FOR F Y 21.

UH, IT WAS BROUGHT IT BACK, UH, IN, IN THE, I THINK, FOURTH COUNCIL MEETING DURING WHICH THEY DELIBERATED THE TOPIC, UH, LAST SEPTEMBER.

UH, THEY'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY AWARDING THAT CONTRACT AFTER, YOU KNOW, THERE BEING A COMMUNITY-LED PROCESS AS WELL AS, UH, CHANGE TO THE POLICY, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, REALLY THIS BEING IMPLEMENTED AS A PILOT PROGRAM SUCH THAT WE COULD, UH, DETERMINE THE EFFICACY OF THE LICENSE PLATE READERS, AS WELL AS, UH, MITIGATE ANY UNINTENDED HARMS THAT MIGHT COME FROM THE PROGRAM.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR PART, PART, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH BRINGING BACK THE PROGRAM TO START.

AND, AND WHAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE AS IT RELATES TO ANY PILOT PROGRAM IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OBVIOUSLY THAT THE POLICY ADHERED TO THE COUNCIL POLICY THAT WAS PUT FORWARD IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH INCLUDED, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS AROUND DATA RETENTION IN PARTICULAR.

AND FOR WHICH IT DOESN'T SEEM AS THOUGH THE CURRENT POLICY, UH, ULTIMATELY IS, IS ENSURING THAT THOSE, THAT THAT DATA RETENTION, UH, THOSE, THOSE METRICS ARE, ARE BEING MET.

AND THAT, THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC WAY THAT THAT'S BEING REPORTED BACK TO.

AND THEN SECONDARILY, THAT, UM, THAT THE O P O RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WE HAVE NOT SEEN PUBLICLY, BUT WHAT, BUT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WERE DEVELOPED, UH, ARE INCORPORATED, UH, INTO THE POLICY, UH, THAT'S PUT FORWARD FOR THIS PILOT PROGRAM.

SO, UH, WE'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE THE OPO RECOMMENDATIONS PUBLIC.

WE'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT ALL OF THE OPO RECOMMENDATIONS ARE INCORPORATED INTO IT.

UM, AND THEN THIRDLY, I'LL JUST SAY I WAS, UH, I PARTICIPATED IN THE ETHICS BOARD FOR THE AXON CORPORATION FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS, UH, AXON, UH, BEING ONE OF THEM PRIMARY PROVIDERS OF, UH, NOT JUST BODY CAMERAS, BUT ALSO, UH, NOW AOP, PARTICULARLY FLEA AOPS.

UH, DURING THAT TIME, UH, UH, WITH THAT, THEY WERE DEVELOPING THIS TECHNOLOGY, UH, AS WE DID WITH ALL THE NEW TECHNOLOGY THEY DEVELOPED.

WE WROTE A REPORT WITH A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE USE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF ALPS, BOTH FROM THE POLICE SIDE AND THE CITY SIDE, AS WELL AS FROM THE VENDOR SIDE.

AND, UM, AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, THERE'S JUST A LOT LACKING THERE, UH, WITH THE CURRENT POLICY THAT'S PUT FORWARD, UH, VERSUS WHAT WE DID.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE VERY MUCH RECOMMENDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE IMMIGRATION RELATED ALERTS NOT BE UTILIZED, UH, BECAUSE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A VERY LARGE UNDOCUMENTED COMMUNITY HERE, AND EVERY LICENSE PLATE ASSOCIATED WITH A FEDERAL, UH, IMMIGRATION CASE, UH, THAT'S

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TICKING OFF YOUR HEIGHT LIST AND, AND ALERTING OFFICERS TO PULL PEOPLE OVER.

WE FIND THAT VERY TROUBLING.

UH, THERE'S ALSO ALL CLASS A MISDEMEANORS ARE CURRENTLY POSITIVE TO TRIGGER HOT LIST ALERTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND THIS INCLUDES THINGS THAT ARE CITATION ELIGIBLE, UH, WHICH ARE AGAIN, PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT NOT BE INCLUDED IN HOT LIST ALERTS.

SO, AGAIN, THERE'S JUST A LOT HERE WANTING, UH, WITH THIS POLICY, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS COMING BACK.

I'LL WRAP UP MY COMMENTS, BUT, UH, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE GREATER CARE TAKEN AND ENSURE THAT THE OPO RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PUBLIC AND INCORPORATED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU BOTH.

UM, I THINK WITH THAT, UM, MR. DESAI, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE HERE TO JOIN US, AND IS THERE ANYONE FROM A P D OR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO JOIN US FOR THE CONVERSATION, JUST SO THAT WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THE LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM IS, AND, UM, JUST KIND OF GIVE US AN UPDATE ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

AND, UM, YEAH, WE HAVE ANOTHER SEAT HERE IF YOU GUYS WANNA CHECK.

YEP.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU BOTH.

SO, YEAH, I THINK IT, UH, JUST TO START OFF, WE'D JUST LIKE TO KIND OF HEAR WHERE THAT, SO THAT EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW MEMBERS, UM, JUST WHERE, WHERE WE ARE WITH THE AUSTIN, WITH THE LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM.

UM, IF YOU GUYS COULD JUST KIND OF GIVE US A BRIEFING ON WHERE WE ARE, WHERE IT IS IN THE PROCESS, AND WHAT COMES NEXT.

SO THAT, I THINK, TAKE IT FROM THERE.

I'M BRUCE MILLS.

WHAT'S GONNA, WHAT NEXT IS COMING IS THE, UH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CHIEF OR DEVIN, UH, Y'ALL COMMITTED OR SOMEBODY COMMITTED TO AT LEAST A COUPLE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, INPUT SESSIONS TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE POLICY.

UH, I THINK YOU HAVE ONE SCHEDULED, UH, IN THE COMING WEEKS, BUT WE HAD, WE'VE HAD TWO, ONE OF 'EM KIND OF GOT HIJACKED AND DIDN'T REALLY OCCUR, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SECOND ONE.

WE HAVE A DRAFT POLICY.

UH, THE POLICY, UH, WILL GO BEFORE COUNCIL, AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE MAY 18TH MEETING, UH, ASSUMING EVERYTHING IS VETTED BY THAT TIME.

UM, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE ON IT, UNLESS YOU KNOW MORE.

AND, AND DEVIN, I CAN'T RESPEAK TO THE WHAT, UH, CHRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH, UH, WITH YOUR INPUT.

I THINK YOU'VE VETTED THE POLICY THAT CHIEF GREEN WALT, UH, HAS DRAFTED, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JOE CHUCK ON, I'M THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

I KNOW, UM, I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION SEVERAL TIMES.

UH, I'M PLEASED TO MEET THE, THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

AND SOME OF YOU, I HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERACT WITH YOU YET, BUT THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND FOR HAVING THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE EACH WEEK.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA BE VERY DIRECT AND LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT, UM, I DID NOT COME PREPARED TODAY TO TALK ABOUT LPRS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON THE AGENDA RELATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY TO KIND OF, UM, EXPLAIN, UM, OR I THINK THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THIS COMMISSION HAS BROKEN DOWN, UM, AND HOW, UH, SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN HERE HAVE NOT JUST BEEN CONTENTIOUS, BUT INAPPROPRIATE, UH, TOWARDS EITHER POLICE EMPLOYEES, UH, TOWARDS, UH, POLICE STAFF, UH, BOTH SWORN IN CIVILIAN AND AT TIMES, UM, SOME OF, EVEN SOME OF THE VENDORS THAT ARE WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT, UH, THAT THEY'VE HAD TO, THEY'VE HAD TO KIND OF ENDURE.

UH, AND, AND I TOLD MY STAFF AFTER LAST MONTH'S MEETING THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ATTENDING THIS MEETING, UM, THAT I WANTED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE NEW CHAIR OF THE, UM, OF THE COMMISSION.

THAT, THAT MEETING HAPPENED LAST WEEK.

I THINK IT WAS A GOOD MEETING.

I THINK IT WAS PRODUCTIVE.

UH, I SAT DOWN, UH, MYSELF AND, AND ACM MILLS, UM, WITH THE CHAIR, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN FIND A GOOD NEW PATH FORWARD.

UM, BUT I, AFTER SEVERAL OF THE LAST MEETINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN, IN WHICH I'VE SEEN, UH, STAFF TREATED EXTREMELY POORLY, UM, AND, AND, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA LIVE IN THE PAST.

I REALLY WANNA MOVE FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UNDERSTANDING THAT I DON'T WANNA PUT MY EMPLOYEES INTO AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING ATTACKED.

UM, I WAS NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN ANY LONGER.

AND QUITE HONESTLY, IF IT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, I WILL REMOVE MY STAFF FROM THE MEETING.

UM, I JUST THINK THAT THAT IS, THAT IS FAIR IN THE END.

UH, IF, IF MY STAFF WERE, UH, SPEAKING TO COMMISSIONERS

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OR ANYONE ELSE IN THE MANNER THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SPOKEN TO, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD BE, UH, AN INVESTIGATION AND POTENTIAL DISCIPLINARY ACTION THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT.

AND I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT THEY ARE TREATED IN THE SAME MANNER.

UH, IF NOTHING ELSE, WITH CIVILITY, IF NOT RESPECT IN THIS ROOM, I THINK IS, IS NOT ASKING TOO MUCH.

SO, LIKE I SAID, I, I CAME INTO THE SPACE, UM, REALLY HOPEFUL WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE NEW CHAIR, UH, HAD A GOOD MEETING, LAST MEETING THAT, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, LAST WEEK, THAT I THINK IS GOING TO HOPEFULLY MOVE US INTO A BETTER SPACE MOVING FORWARD.

FULLY INTEND TO BE HERE NEXT MONTH AND BE READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO LPRS OR ANY OTHER POLICE RELATED ITEM.

BUT, UM, BUT THAT IS, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.

SO I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO A ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT.

UM, BUT I AM NOT HERE PREPARED.

I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ON LPR OR ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ITEM.

THANK YOU.

IF I COULD, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHEN, WHEN IS THE PUBLIC MEETING SCHEDULED? OR IS IT SCHEDULED YET? JOE? OH, I, I, I, SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

I DON'T HAVE THE DATE.

I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON ANOTHER MEETING.

YES, SIR.

SO THE REASON I'M ASKING, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S REALLY PREMATURE TODAY TO HAVE ANY IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ON A, ON A POLICY THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN VETTED COMPLETELY BY US TO, AND I'M HAPPY TO VET IT ONCE IT'S OUT THERE.

I'D LIKE TO GET MORE PUBLIC INPUT IF IT'S, IF, IF WE GET IT, UM, TO, AND THEN TO ADD TO CHIEF CHA'S POINTS, WE DID HAVE A GREAT MEET MR. MAYOR'S FRIDAY.

I THINK IT WAS, SEEMED LIKE IT WAS LAST WEEK.

UM, AND AGAIN, TO THIS IS, I'VE BEEN TO THIS COMMISSION MANY YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S BEEN MANY YEARS AGO.

UH, RESPECT TO COMMISSION, UH, YOUR, YOUR PURPOSE, UH, IS, IS COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE.

WE NEED, IT'S WHY I'VE INTRODUCED MYSELF TO A COUPLE OF YOU.

I THINK YOU SAID YOU JUST GOT ON THE COMMISSION.

UH, THAT'S GOOD.

I'VE SERVED ON COMMISSIONS AS WELL.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT EASY.

THEY TAKE A LOT OF TIME.

THEY NEED, BUT THE RESPECT HAS TO BE BOTH, BOTH WAYS.

AND IT'S GOTTA BE TO BE PRODUCTIVE.

AND IF WE'RE GONNA PARTICIPATE, WE, YOU AND US PARTICIPATE, WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE, AND IT HAS TO BE A RESPECTFUL, UH, DIALOGUE.

UH, WE WELCOME IT, WELCOME IT FOR THE PART FOR THE, UH, INPUT ON L P R POLICY OR ANY OTHER POLICY WE'RE GONNA BE TAKEN FORWARD.

UM, BUT I THINK THIS TIME WE'RE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE FOR THIS MEETING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO HAVE THAT, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

UM, WE DID HAVE A PRODUCTIVE MEETING ON FRIDAY, AND I DID FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, AND I EXPRESSED THAT I WAS READY FOR US TO RESET BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE.

I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT I'M LEARNING RIGHT NOW, , THAT A P D WAS NOT GOING TO BE BRINGING ANYBODY FORTH BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS TODAY.

SO I AM, I AM A LITTLE DIS I'M, I'M, I'M BE FRANK.

I'M A LITTLE DIS I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU GUYS HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, AND WHEN I SAW YOU, I, I ASSUME THAT THAT MEANT THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME DISCUSSION TODAY.

SO I AM DISAPPOINTED, UM, THAT I'M FINDING OUT RIGHT THE SECOND, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF A LIVE MEETING THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH REGARDS TO A L P R SPECIFICALLY, IF THIS IS COMING BEFORE, UM, COUNSEL ON MAY 18TH, UM, THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TILL, UM, JUNE.

AND SO I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT OUT ON THE TABLE THAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO CALL FOR A SPECIAL MEETING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY HERE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH REGARDS TO A L P R IS IF WE COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND HAVE EVERYBODY ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE.

UM, AND IF WE COULD DO SOME SOLID NOTE TAKINGS SO THAT WE CAN TAKE IT UP AS OLD BUSINESS AT OUR NEXT SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, WHICH WE WILL, I'M GIVING A HEADS UP THAT YOU WILL ALL BE GETTING A NOTICE, UM, ABOUT A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE MAY 18TH VOTE THAT IS VERY SOON.

UM, SO THAT WE CAN, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM.

AND IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.

I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION, I'LL, I'LL TAKE THE FIRST QUESTION AND THEN I'LL SEED THE FLOOR.

I THINK THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS, UM, INCLUDING FROM CHAIRMAN PITTS, I HOPE.

UM, SO THAT, UM, EVERYBODY HAS A TURN.

IF EVERYBODY COULD JUST GIVE US ONE QUESTION, AND WE'LL JUST MAKE ROUNDS AROUND EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

MY FIRST QUESTION WAS SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARDS TO THE O P O.

I KNOW THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SESSIONS THAT WERE DONE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND JUST, UM, JUST ECHOING WHAT MR. HARRIS SAID, JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHERE THAT FEEDBACK IS, HOW IT'S BEING INCORPORATED, WHETHER THERE'S A REPORT THAT WE CAN SEE, UM, AND WHERE THAT INFORMATION LIVES.

AND WITH THAT QUESTION.

OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER PENA? YES.

THEY'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON.

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THERE YOU GO.

OKAY.

UM, I WAS WONDERING FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY HAVE, I GUESS, UM, A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR, ARE THEY ABLE TO GO AND, AND DO LIKE A WALKTHROUGH? WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR THEM TO TAKE CARE OF THAT? AND ARE YOU GUYS INTENDING ON, ON TAKING THOSE RESIDENTS TO JAIL? UM, FOR TRAFFIC TICKETS? UM, I JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE THEIR BEST OPTIONS BEFORE THAT STARTS.

UM, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THE SCREEN, UM, THAT I USUALLY HAVE ON RIGHT HERE, SO THAT I CAN SEE EVERYBODY THAT'S ONLINE.

UM, NO, THAT'S OKAY.

, UM, CHAIRMAN PITTS, DO YOU HAVE, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE COMING INTO THIS WITH VERY SHORT NOTICE AS WELL, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE THAT WE CAN, OR JUST SORT OF GENERAL THEMES THAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHEN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION LATER THIS MONTH? UH, WE'LL PERSONALLY BEGIN BY THANKING FOR THE AUDIENCE, UH, CHAIR BERNHARDT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THE INVITATION THAT WAS PROCEEDED, UH, FROM VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ.

UH, I, I RECOGNIZE, UH, THAT THIS IS HAVING WHAT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED AND, AND TAKEN UP AND DISCUSS CALLED MEETING.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT FUTURE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UH, AND THEY'RE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE MEMO, UH, WHICH WAS DRAFTED BY, UH, CHIEF CHAPON.

SO, UH, I DON'T WANNA PUT THE CHIEF ON THE SPOT, BUT I APPRECIATE HIS PRESENCE, UH, THERE TODAY.

AND, AND CERTAINLY, UH, TAKE TO HEART, UH, YOUR, UH, YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT THE QUORUM AND, AND HAVE A FULL APPRECIATION FOR THAT, AND I'M SURE EVERYONE DOES WITH ROOM, UH, THERE AT THE COMMISSION.

UH, WITH REGARDS TO MY QUESTIONS, UH, LOOKING AT THE MEMO ITSELF, I WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT I, I SHARED THE FACT THAT THIS PROGRAM WAS COMING BACK IN A PILOT FORMAT, UH, WITH A GROUP OF RESIDENTS, UH, THAT ATTENDED A TOWN HALL AT THEE, UH, BRANCH LIBRARY THIS PAST SATURDAY THAT I HOSTED.

UH, THE, THE TOWN HALL ITSELF WAS FOCUSED ON DIGITAL INCLUSION, UH, REALLY TO GET PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCES, THEIR LIVED EXPERIENCES, GOOD OR BAD, WITH THE INTERNET TECHNOLOGY, ACCESS TO DEVICES, UH, TRAINING AND OTHER THINGS RELATED TO TECHNOLOGY HERE, UH, IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

BUT THAT, OF COURSE, INCLUDES TELECOMMUNICATIONS.

AND WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC, I THOUGHT I'D BE REMISS, UH, IF I DIDN'T SHARE THAT MS. POLL WAS COMING BACK.

UH, I, I MADE A POINT TO QUOTE THE MEMO AT DIFFERENT POINTS, UH, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE ANY KIND OF ALARM OR CONCERN FOR WHAT I THOUGHT WAS, UH, JUST SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT AND THAT WE NEEDED TO GET THE FEEDBACK ABOUT.

UH, I DIDN'T SHARE MY OPINIONS ON, ON THE PROGRAM AT ALL.

UH, BUT IN READING THE MEMO ITSELF, UH, A COUPLE THINGS CAME TO MIND.

UH, AND IT TURNED OUT THROUGH WERE ECHOED IN THE ROOM, UH, BY THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

UH, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT LOCATIONS OF THE, UH, THE ACTUAL, UH, READERS THEMSELVES.

UH, THERE WAS CONCERNS, UH, AS WAS STATED EARLIER BY, UH, THE JUSTICE COALITION.

UH, THERE WAS CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT DATA, UH, AS WELL AS THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE WHO SPOKE FIRST.

UH, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, EQUITY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, AND, AND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IN TERMS OF APPLICATION, UH, PERHAPS TO DIFFERENT POPULATIONS.

I MADE SURE TO QUOTE, UH, HOW IN THE MEMO, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THERE WAS A STATEMENT ADDRESSING HOW NO PERSON WOULD BE SUBJECT TO POLICE ACTION BECAUSE OF RACE, PRE SEX, GENDER, AND ON AS DESCRIBED.

I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY KNOW THAT, UH, HAVING SAID THAT, THEY RAISED, UH, LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ALSO ABOUT ALGORITHMS AND WHAT THAT COULD MEAN.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY, UH, TELLING THAT SOME WERE INFORMED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF ALGORITHMS JUST FROM THE DAY-TO-DAY LIVES, UH, AND WHAT IT MEANS TO USE A PHONE AND THEN SEE ADS SO MUCH THAT FOCUS ON, ON THEM PERSONALLY, AND IMAGINE HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, AND THAT THEN BROUGHT IT TO HOME, UH, TO WHAT I THEN, UH, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HOT LIST IS, AND I APOLOGIZE IF, IF, UH, I JUST DIDN'T GET TO THAT YET IN THE MEMO.

UH, BUT ONE THING IN PARTICULAR, UH, THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT WAS, UH, THE NEXUS.

UH, THERE WAS A DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE READERS THEMSELVES, UH, WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO, UH, REALLY TAKE ADVANCED MEASURES IF THERE WAS A CRIMINAL NEXUS.

UH, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, UH, ABOUT THE READER PROGRAM.

AND SO MY SPECIFIC QUESTION, I THINK, UH, OTHER THAN TO KNOW, UH, THAT THESE DATES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED FOR THE PUBLIC AND, AND, AND, AND WHEN

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THOSE XR SO WE CAN MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THEY PARTICIPATE, WE CAN DO OUR PART AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL TO ELEVATE THAT TOO, UH, FOR OUR COMMISSION.

BUT REALLY TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT, UH, SUPPOSED CRIMINAL NEXUS IS, UH, AND TO SPELL THAT OUT.

I, I DO APPRECIATE HOW, UH, WITH THE DIFFERENT ACTION ITEMS, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO, UH, ITERATIVENESS TO THE PROCESS, MAKING SURE, UH, THAT REVIEW, UH, UH, COMMITTEES ARE AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND OR, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION AND OTHERS ARE INVOLVED TO MAKE THIS PROCESS ITERATIVE.

BUT, UH, JUST FOR MY CLARITY AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY, ANY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT A CRIMINAL NEXUS IS THAT WOULD TAKE ACTION FROM THESE, UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW TODAY.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT.

UM, THANK YOU.

UM, THAT CRIMINAL NEXUS QUESTION WAS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE, UM, MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE IMMIGRATION ALERTS AND, UM, AND WHETHER, UM, THEY HAVE A CRIMINAL NEXUS.

UM, AND, UH, AND IF THEY DON'T, WHY THEY'RE GONNA BE HAPPENING.

UM, AND EVEN IF THEY DO, UM, IF THEY ARE RESPONDING TO IMMIGRATION CRIMES THAT ARE EXCLUSIVELY BORDER CROSSING CRIMES, AND BY THAT I MEAN MISDEMEANORS THAT ARE COMMITTED IN TERMS OF JUST ILLEGALLY ENTERING THE UNITED STATES AND EVENTUALLY GETTING CHARGED, UM, UNDER THE FEDERAL STATUTE, THAT MAKES IT UNLAWFUL TO WALK ACROSS AN INTERNATIONAL BORDER WITHOUT BEING, UM, INSPECTED.

UM, I THINK THAT'S MY MAIN QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A L P R? ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR MAY.

YEAH, OF COURSE, OF COURSE.

MY LAST QUESTION, ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAD, WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S GREAT LEARNINGS, UH, FROM RESEARCH AND LESSONS LEARNED IN THE APPLICATION OF, UH, FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE.

AND MY, MY ONE QUESTION RELATES TO THAT AND, UH, SOME THOUGHT LEADERS WE HAVE HERE ON THAT, UH, LOCALLY, UH, I SHARED THE MEMO, UH, WITH DR.

STROBER, UH, DR.

SHARON STROBER, WHO HAS BEEN KNOWN, UH, RENOWNED FOR HER RESEARCH ON THIS TOPIC, UH, INTERNATIONALLY AND, UH, NATIONALLY.

UH, AND SO I, I'D LIKE TO JUST ASK IF, UH, WE COULD CONNECT, UH, WHOEVER NEEDS TO, UH, BE INFORMED OF HER INSIGHTS AND FROM THE SCHOLARSHIP OUT THERE ON THIS, UH, AFTER THE MEETING TO HELP.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMISSIONER ROTEN? UM, THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM EVERYBODY.

AND, UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS NEW TO THIS COMMISSION, I WAS NOT HERE, UH, LAST MONTH AND NEW TO UNDERSTANDING THIS ISSUE.

MY BACKGROUND IS MORE IN HEALTHCARE AND THE MEDICINE SIDE OF THINGS.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS TO, IN THE MEMO IN TERMS OF LAYING OUT DATA COLLECTION, THE PROCESSES AND WHAT, UM, WHAT THE METRICS ARE AND THAT THIS IS A PILOT PROCESS.

A WOULD BE LIKE, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO THINGS WHEN WE ARE REPORTING BACK.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, SORT OF WHAT THE UNDERLYING MOTIVATION IS FOR RE-IMPLEMENTING THE PROCESS, WHAT THE GAINS ARE TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

UM, CUZ OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HAS A CERTAIN TRADE OFF OF, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL CIVIL LIBERTIES VERSUS PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND I THINK THE SECOND CONCERN, I THINK THE MEMO DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT HOW WE WANT TO PROTECT WHAT OUR DATA IS, WHAT WE SHARE.

I'M CONCERNED WITH SOME OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE BROADER STATE, OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY CONTROL THAT HERE WITHIN AUSTIN.

UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, AN ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING ON STATE LEVEL, UM, SURROUNDING THINGS THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY MAY NOT NECESSARILY WANT TO HAVE THIS DATA SHARED.

AND OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY RESTRICT WHAT THINGS ARE SHARED FOR, IF THOSE ARE INVESTIGATIONS THAT MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMMUNITY VALUES, AND THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN PROTECT THAT GOING FORWARD AND WEIGHING THAT BENEFIT, UM, IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEEING BACK ON MR. UH, COMMISSIONER.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M, I'M NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR ON THAT LAST QUESTION ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF DATA IS GATHERED, THAT WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION ABOUT IN THE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, WHETHER IT WOULD BE SHARED, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE, THE MEMO, WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SHARE THIS DATA WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, FEDERAL OR STATE, FOR EXAMPLE, UNLESS THERE ARE ACTIVE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS OR IMMEDIATE, UM, CONCERNS FOR A LOST PERSON OR A MISSING PERSON.

UM, I'M CONCERNED, LIKE IF WE LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE STATE POLICIES SURROUNDING, UH, ACCESS TO ABORTION CARE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WHAT GETS DEFINED AS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION

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BY THE STATE MAY END UP BEING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WANT HERE, OR MARIJUANA OR OTHER DRUG, UH, THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH SORT OF HOW WE WANT, UH, THIS TO GET USED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, COMMISSIONER NUEN, UH, SO THIS IS, UH, KIND OF MORE, UH, REGARDING, UM, WHAT THE PROTOCOLS ARE WHEN WE DO IDENTIFY, UM, THAT THERE'S A LICENSE PLATE WHERE IT MIGHT BE A STOLEN VEHICLE OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE THAT RES RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE, UM, UH, IS ELEVATED.

UM, CUZ FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF, OF RESEARCH OF THIS IN THE PAST, UM, THERE HAS BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, A VEHICLE, UM, MAY HAVE BEEN, UM, IDENTIFIED AS BEING STOLEN, BUT WAS NOT REPORTED AS NOW BEING FOUND.

UM, AND THERE HAS BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY BE, UH, POTENTIALLY RENTING A VEHICLE, UM, THAT HAD BEEN STOLEN IN THE PAST, UM, BUT WAS NEVER REPORTED AS FOUND, UM, HAVE BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'VE, UM, HAD A, A POOR INTERACTION WITH THE POLICE.

UM, SO I, I WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT THOSE PROTOCOLS ARE, UH, UH, RESULT IN, LET'S SAY A STOLEN VEHICLE.

HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT HANDLED? UM, UH, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT IF I WANT TO RENT A VEHICLE, UM, UH, THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT, UH, IS FOR ME TO BE PULLED OVER AND FOR A GUN SPEED DRAWN AT ME.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, I, I KNOW WE HAD MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, FACIAL RECOGNITION, UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS MOSTLY FOR LICENSE RECOGNITION.

UM, I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED, UM, CUZ UH, I, I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS, UH, A CAPABILITY OF THESE CAMERAS.

UM, BUT IF IT IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, UTILIZED IF, IF WE WERE GONNA IMPLEMENT THIS? COMMISSIONER PENA, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? IT'S UNRELATED.

OKAY.

UM, I ACTUALLY, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD.

UM, NOT RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UM, WE WILL, UM, HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING TO ADDRESS THESE QUESTIONS.

I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF GOING THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS AND ALSO TO RESPOND A BIT TO, UM, CHIEF CHACON.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING MEETINGS, UM, AS YOU SAID, WE HAD A MEETING LAST FRIDAY, UM, WHERE WE TALKED SOME ABOUT DECORUM, BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT RESPONSIVENESS TO OUR QUESTIONS AS BEING ONE OF THE SORT OF UNDERLYING ISSUES THAT THE COMMISSION HAS THAT GOES IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

AND SO I FELT LIKE IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO GO THROUGH OUR QUESTIONS.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE ARE GONNA PUT SOME NEW PROCESSES IN PLACE, UM, AND SOME NEW PROCEDURES IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ONLY POWERS THAT THIS COMMISSION ACTUALLY HAS, THE POWER THAT WE HAVE IS TO ASK QUESTIONS, UM, AND USE THOSE QUESTIONS TO FORMULATE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN POSSIBLE FOR THE COUNCIL.

AND SO IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE DO IS WE SIT HERE AND ASK QUESTIONS.

UM, AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, I HOPE THAT WE'LL PUT SOME OF THESE NEW PROCESSES THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT IN PLACE, UM, AND THAT FOR THIS NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE, UM, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, THAT WE CAN ADDRESS ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAD AND THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE FULL DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE.

UM, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT SHOWED UP TODAY.

I'M SORRY THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING A MORE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION TODAY AND A MORE PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH.

I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CAN JOIN US WHEN WE RESCHEDULE THIS ITEM.

UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THIS FOR NOW.

CAN I ASK YOU ONE, I JUST, I, UH, AN AGENDA QUESTION IF I COULD? YES.

UM, I DID NOT KNOW UNTIL THIS, AFTER SOMETIME TODAY THAT I WAS ON HERE FOR 9 1 1 3 1 1.

YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND POSTPONE THAT AS WELL.

JUST OKAY.

IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, WHAT I WOULD OFFER, AND I THINK WE CAN, UH, DO IT, BUT HAVE CHIEF GASLIN OR SOMEONE FOR COMMUNICATIONS BE HERE WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR SPECIAL CALL MEETING.

YES.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

YEAH.

UH, I'M NOT FIRST NEAREST VERSED AS, UH, PEOPLE IN OUR COMMAND CENTER FOR THAT.

RIGHT.

AGREED.

IF YOU'D LIKE THAT, JUST LET ME KNOW SO I CAN HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA.

OKAY.

AND I THINK CHAIR BERNHARDT HAD SOME COMMENTS AS WELL.

UM, SO, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS APPARENT TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS, BUT, UM, THE DISCUSSION OF, UH, DECORUM FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A REFERENCE TO ME.

UM, PROBABLY HISTORICALLY THERE WERE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REFERRING TO.

BUT, UM, THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE LEFT.

AND I AM THE ONLY SITTING MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A PROBLEM WITH, UM, IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT I SPEAK.

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UM, AND, UH, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO US HAVING A MEETING WITH, UM, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, UH, TO DISCUSS WHAT THE CITY'S RULES ABOUT DECORUM MEAN, UM, IN APPLICATION.

UM, BECAUSE AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A LAW LICENSE, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT ACTIVE, UM, I'VE READ THAT RULE SEVERAL TIMES, UM, AND I'M REALLY NOT SURE I'M VIOLATING IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

UM, I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, IT, IT IS, IT HAS OCCURRED TO ME THAT IT'S DEEPLY PROBLEMATIC FOR A DEMOCRACY, UH, TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WE BESTOW THE POWER UPON, UM, TO USE FORCE ON BEHALF OF THAT DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE WHO WE BESTOW THE POWER TO USE LETHAL FORCE ON BEHALF OF THAT DEMOCRACY, UM, USE THAT FORCE IN A WAY THAT IS ROUTINELY UNACCOUNTABLE.

AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION WHO IS A VOLUNTEER AND A CITIZEN OF AUSTIN, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT LIVING IN A DEMOCRACY, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE UPSET WHEN I LEARN THAT IT IS QUITE LIKELY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY THAT I'VE LIVED IN FOR OVER 20 YEARS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT I'VE WATCHED SHOOT UNARMED PEOPLE OF COLOR FOR 20 YEARS, UH, UNDER QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, CONTINUES TO SHOOT PEOPLE OF COLOR UNDER REMARKABLY QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THEN NOT TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT IT, UM, AND NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE SURVIVING FAMILY, UM, AND DO ALL SORTS OF UNPLEASANT THINGS IN RESPONSE TO THAT INCIDENT INSTEAD OF BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

I THINK THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL FLAW IN OUR DEMOCRACY.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, THE PEOPLE WHO OFFICIALLY GET TO SHOOT PEOPLE OR THE PEOPLE WHO UNOFFICIALLY SHOOT PEOPLE SHOULD BE UNACCOUNTABLE.

AND, UH, IF I RAISE MY VOICE SOMETIMES OR I GET A LITTLE ANGRY BECAUSE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REFUSE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS, OR I LEARN, UM, THAT YET ANOTHER, USUALLY YOUNG MAN OF COLOR IN AUSTIN HAS BEEN STRIPPED OF ALL OF HIS RIGHTS BY BEING MURDERED PROBABLY BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO KEEP US SAFE.

I'M GONNA LOSE MY TEMPER OCCASIONALLY, UM, BECAUSE I, I GUESS I'M NOT A CALM AND COOL ENOUGH COOKIE, UM, TO JUST SIT HERE AND BE OKAY.

UH, WITH THE 20 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN THIS CITY WATCHING MOSTLY YOUNG BLACK MEN GET SHOT IN QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LARGELY NOT CHANGE BEHAVIOR CHAIR.

IF I COULD, I'D JUST LIKE TO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN ON SET OF THIS MEETING WE'D LIKE FOR THIS TO BE PRODUCTIVE IN THE FUTURE.

UM, I, I'M NOT GONNA RESPOND TO ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT OUR OFFICERS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST OR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT'S NOT FORUM FOR AGREED.

I WANT IT TO BE PRODUCTIVE.

WE PLAN TO COME BACK AND BE PRODUCTIVE AS LONG AS IT'S SAYS A DECORUM IS SERVED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

CAN I HAVE ONE THING? UM, I HAVE A, OH, I'M SORRY.

I, UH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

I'M, I'M ACTUALLY, I, I AM GONNA ASK THAT EVERYBODY WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED WHEN WE'RE, LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TIGHTEN UP THE SHIP HERE A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO I AM GONNA ASK THAT EVERYBODY WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED WHEN WE'RE TALKING.

UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER HALLMARK.

AND SO I AM GONNA ASK, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, AND WE ARE TRYING TO WRAP THAT ITEM UP SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON.

IF ANY OF YOUR FOLLOWING COMMENTS ARE JERMAINE TO THE LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THOSE.

BUT OTHERWISE, I WANNA, I WANNA CLOSE THIS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE REST OF OUR AGENDA.

UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, EVERYONE HAS SAID THEIR PIECE WITH REGARDS AND, AND THE REASON WE, WE TOOK SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS IS BECAUSE CHIEF CHACON CAME TO THE TABLE AND TALKED ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER

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WHICH, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN CLOSED.

SO LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, I THINK, DO WE HAVE ONE TRAILING QUESTION? YES.

MY APOLOGIES.

UH, FIRST OFF, UH, FOR ACKNOWLEDGING, UH, THIS IS YOUR FIRST MEETING AS CHAIR, AS OPPOSED TO CALLING VICE CHAIR, UH, CHAIR RAMIREZ.

THAT'S OKAY.

, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? IF THERE ARE, IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER APPLICATIONS AT THOSE LPR SITES, DID I, DID I CAP THAT RIGHT? YES.

IN FACT, MORE SPECIFICALLY, YEAH.

CAN WE, UH, EVALUATE BASED UPON THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DATA THROUGHPUT, UH, WHAT MADE IT FEASIBLE, PERHAPS FOR APPLICATIONS AT THOSE LOCATIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK, OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE ARE GONNA HAVE SOME TIME TO SUBMIT SOME QUESTIONS IN WRITING TO CHIEF TO CHIEF CHACON.

SO IF YOU GUYS CAN FORWARD THOSE TO ME.

I JUST WANNA KEEP THE AGENDA GOING.

OKAY.

SO WITH THAT, WE ARE DONE WITH THAT.

AND, UM, JUST LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND SCRAP THE NINE ONE ONE THREE ONE ONE CALL CENTER UPDATE, AND WE WILL MOVE THAT TO OUR SPECIAL CALLED MEETING THAT WE'LL HAVE BEFORE MAY 18TH.

UM, AND WITH THAT, IF WE CAN HAVE

[3. A Chief Medical Office Overview/Duties]

ITEM THREE, WHICH IS OUR CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICE, UM, IF EVERYONE CAN COME UP, DO THE FILING REPORT, WE'RE GONNA DO IT LAST.

YEP.

YES.

PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

SO WE DON'T GET ANY RULES OF ORDER.

DO WE NEED TO VOTE TO TABLE THAT DISCUSSION ITEM FORMALLY SPEAKING? UM, YES.

ACTUALLY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE TO FORMALLY, UM, TABLE ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU FOR THAT SECOND NOTE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SECOND.

UM, AND THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE COMMISSIONER, OR, YES.

COMMISSIONER HOLMES.

YES.

COMMISSIONER KOFF.

YES.

AND I'M REALLY SORRY, COMMISSIONER KOFF, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NINE ONE ONE THREE ONE ONE CALL CENTER.

UM, OKAY.

GREAT.

UM, COMMISSIONER RUTAN? YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT? YES.

COMMISSIONER COLEMAR? YES.

COMMISSIONER NGUYEN? YES.

COMMISSIONER PENA? YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

UM, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU GUYS HERE.

UM, AS WHEN I WAS TALKING TO YOU GUYS, I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY STARTING SOME MORE RELATIONSHIPS ACROSS OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS INTERACT WITH THE REST OF THE CITY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP, AND YOU GUYS DO A LOT OF THINGS WITH A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS.

YOU DON'T JUST TALK TO EACH OTHER.

UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION.

I, I THINK IT'S BEEN, UH, MAYBE SIX YEARS.

WOW.

UH, I TALKED TO THE COMMISSION MAYBE MY FIRST WEEK THAT I WAS AT THE CITY OF AUSTIN, AND I DON'T THINK I'VE BEEN BACK SINCE.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK HERE.

UH, I'M MARK ESCOT.

I'M THE CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

NEXT TO ME IS DR.

BILL LEGO, UH, WHO'S MY CHIEF OF STAFF.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO A QUICK PRESENTATION TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO.

CAUSE I, I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR TO, TO MANY FOLKS.

UH, AND WE WILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS.

SO, UH, THIS OFFICE WAS ORIGINALLY FORMED AS THE OFFICE OF THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR BACK IN 2006.

UH, BACK THEN WE HAD A SINGLE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, SMALL STAFF.

IT WAS REALLY DESIGNED TO SUPPORT THE, THE CLINICAL FUNCTIONS, UH, OF THE, UH, EMS DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, UH, WHO BOTH PROVIDED CLINICAL SERVICES THROUGH THE CITY IN FY 21, UH, THROUGH A COUNCIL INITIATIVE AND BUDGET AMENDMENT, IT WAS TRANSITIONED TO THE OFFICE OF THE CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER.

AND THE, THE IDEA REALLY WAS TO ALIGN THE CLINICAL SERVICES OF THE CITY.

UH, SO REALLY ACROSS DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING ABOUT THE CLINICAL MISSION.

WE SET SOME COMMON EXPECTATIONS, AND THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE THE, THE HEALTHCARE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UH, AND OF, OF COURSE, IN ADDITION TO, TO MANY OTHER PARTNERS IN THE HEALTHCARE SPACE.

UH, SO JUST A FEW FACTS ABOUT HOW WE'RE ORGANIZED IN THE CITY.

WE ARE AN OFFICE WITHIN THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF, UH, MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

WE REPORT TO THE ACM FOR, UH, FOR SAFETY.

UM, OUR BUDGET NOW IS ABOUT

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3.9 MILLION.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF OUR, OUR PERSONNEL IN A LITTLE BIT.

AND WE ARE LOCATED, UH, AT THE ED BLUESTEIN LOCATION.

SO ACROSS FROM, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS, UH, EMS IS THERE, APDS THERE.

IT'S A, IT'S A COMBINED EFFORT OVER AT, AT BLUESTEIN.

UH, SO A FEW FACTS ABOUT THE LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE UNDER, UNDER TEXAS LAW.

UH, THE THINGS THAT, PARTS OF, OF THE LAW AND CODE THAT, UH, ARE INVOLVED, REALLY.

CHAPTER 7 73, CHAPTER 1 57, AND CHAPTER 1 97.

UM, SO REALLY, UH, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLINICAL, UH, CARE THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE EMS AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

UH, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLINICALLY RE RELATED OPERATIONS.

THINGS LIKE QUALITY IMPROVEMENT, CREDENTIALING OF OUR CLINICAL STAFF, UH, TO PROVIDE CARE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, UH, ONLINE, OFFLINE, MEDICAL DIRECTION.

SO WE HAVE, UH, OUR DOCTORS WILL, UH, ANSWER PHONE CALLS WHEN THE MEDICS CALL TO ASK QUESTIONS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, NEED SOME ADVICE ABOUT, UH, CARING FOR A PATIENT.

AND WE ALSO PROVIDE OFFLINE MEDICAL DIRECTION THROUGH OUR CLINICAL GUIDELINES OR, OR PROTOCOLS, UH, THAT WE TRAIN OUR, OUR PARAMEDICS AND EMTS TO, TO OPERATE THROUGH.

AND WE'RE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR CLINICAL EDUCATION.

THIS IS A SMALL LIST OF THE 17 OR SO SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, UH, UNDER TEXAS LAW.

BUT IT'S THE HIGHLIGHTS.

UH, SO THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT TEXAS, AND THERE ARE MANY UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT TEXAS, BUT THE UNIQUE THING WHEN IT COMES TO EMS IS THIS DELEGATED PRACTICE.

SO IN EVERY OTHER STATE IN THE COUNTRY, EMS IS A FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT, UH, OR THE ENTITY THAT'S PROVIDING IT.

BUT THERE IS NO AGENCY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND THE PERSON THAT'S PROVIDING CARE.

IT'S SUPERVISORY ONLY.

UM, IN TEXAS, THERE'S AN AGENCY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ME AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROVIDING CARE.

SO FOR US, AND THESE ARE ROUGH NUMBERS, UH, AUSTIN, TRAVIS EMS, ABOUT 650 FOLKS, AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT 1,250.

UH, WE ALSO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT FOR, UH, THE DPS, UH, MEDICAL PROGRAM.

UH, SO WE HAVE AB ABOUT A HUNDRED, UH, SPECIAL AGENTS, UH, STATE TROOPERS AND TEXAS RANGERS WHO ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND EMTS, OR PARAMEDICS OR FIRST RESPONDERS, UH, THAT CAN PROVIDE CARE TO INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY, THAT THEY INTERACT WITH.

UH, SO ABOUT 2000 AGENTS, UH, UNDER, UH, UNDER OMO THAT WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, FOR CLINICAL OVERSIGHT FOR, UH, SO AGAIN, SINCE 2007, WE'VE, UH, EXPANDED OUR OPERATIONS, OBVIOUSLY WITH 2000 AGENTS.

UH, IT TAKES MORE THAN ONE, ONE DOCTOR TO PROVIDE THE OVERSIGHT.

UH, SO THESE ARE OUR FULL-TIME PHYSICIANS, UH, MYSELF, DR.

PICKETT IS MY CHIEF DEPUTY MEDICAL DIRECTOR, DR.

ABRAHAM.

AND DR.

CHO IS OUR NEWEST ADDITION.

UH, DR.

ABRAHAM REALLY FOCUSES ON OUR TELEHEALTH AND URGENT CARE COMPONENTS, UH, WHICH I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LATER.

AND, UH, DR.

CHO IS OUR EQUITY AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AGAIN, HE'S OUR NEWEST, UH, ADDITION AND CERTAINLY PROUD TO HAVE ALL OF THEM.

UH, WE HAVE A ADDITIONAL, UH, PHYSICIANS INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAM.

WE HAVE THREE ASSOCIATE MEDICAL DIRECTORS WHO ARE PART-TIME.

THEY'LL TAKE CALL, SOMETIMES THEY'LL DO SOME EDUCATION QUALITY IMPROVEMENT AS WELL.

UH, DR.

AL SCHEFFLER, UH, AND DR.

MILLER, UH, DR.

SMITH IS OUR EMS FELLOW.

UH, SO WE STARTED EMS FELLOW, UH, FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM WITH ASCENSION SEATON AND UT DELL MEDICAL SCHOOL, UH, TWO YEARS AGO NOW.

UH, SO WE HAVE A FULLY QUALIFIED EMERGENCY MEDICINE PHYSICIAN WHO'S COMPLETED THEIR TRAINING THAT DOES A ONE YEAR FELLOWSHIP TO LEARN EMS MEDICINE.

UH, SO SINCE 2013, EMS HAS BEEN A MEDICAL SUBSPECIALTY, UH, IN THE HOUSE OF MEDICINE IN THIS TRAINING, QUALIFIES THEM TO GO ON AND PRACTICE AS AN EMS PHYSICIAN.

UH, WE ALSO, UH, HAVE RECENTLY ADDED PAR, WHAT WE CALL PARAMEDIC PRACTITIONERS.

SO THESE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE PARAMEDICS AND THEIR PHYSICIAN ASSISTANTS OR NURSE PRACTITIONERS.

NOW, SO FAR, THEY'RE ALL, UH, PAS, UH, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE JOBS OPEN FOR, FOR NURSE PRACTITIONERS AS WELL.

UM, THEY ARE FULL-TIME CLINICAL WHERE OUR PHYSICIANS ARE PART CLINICAL PROVIDING, UH, CARE IN THE FIELD OR VIA TELEHEALTH.

THEY ARE 100% PROVIDING CARE IN THE FIELD OR VIA TELEHEALTH WITHOUT, UH, REAL ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THESE TWO, TWO COMPONENTS ARE NECESSARY.

SO, SOME BROAD STROKES ABOUT THE EMS SYSTEMS IN MOST CITIES, UH, IN THE UNITED STATES.

UH, THERE, THERE'S, GENERALLY SPEAKING, A COUPLE OF MAJOR OPTIONS.

UH, ONE IS TO SEND AN AMBULANCE.

ONE IS TO SEND AN AMBULANCE IN A FIRETRUCK, UH, AND PRIMARILY TRANSPORT PEOPLE FROM THE SCENE TO THE ER.

THE CHALLENGE IS, OF COURSE, THAT THESE ARE EXPENSIVE OPTIONS.

UH, SO THESE ARE SOME ROUGH, ROUGH

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COSTS OF SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, TO PROVIDE THE AMBULANCE OR, OR A FIRE APPARATUS FOR A SINGLE CALL.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, UH, THE AVERAGE ER BILL, AND THIS IS THIS, THAT IS A FEW YEARS OLD ON THE, THE ER BILL.

UH, BUT ABOUT $2,300 ON AVERAGE.

SO IT'S EXPENSIVE CARE, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPENSIVE RESOURCES.

UH, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES OUR COMMUNITY NEED? SOMETIMES WE NEED AN AMBULANCE AT A FIRETRUCK, AND SOMETIMES TWO AMBULANCES AT A FIRETRUCK AND A DOCTOR ON THE SCENE.

BUT THESE ARE MORE LIKE OUR, OUR ECHO CALLS THAT YOU SEE IN THE RED, WHICH IS A SMALL SLIVER, RIGHT? THAT'S ABOUT 1.8%.

THESE ARE THE HIGH ACUITY CALLS WHERE SOMEBODY IS, WE THINK IS, IS DYING.

UH, THE DELTA CALLS ARE ALSO HIGH PRIORITY CALLS WHERE THERE MAY BE SOMETHING LIFE-THREATENING.

AND THEN IT GOES DOWN FROM THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

THESE ARE WHAT THE DISPATCH SYSTEM IDENTIFIES AS NON-EMERGENCY CALLS.

SO ABOUT HALF OF THOSE ARE, ARE ALPHA OR OMEGA CALLS, AND HALF ARE CHARLIE CALLS THE ALPHA OMEGA, OR WHAT'S DETERMINED AS B L S OR BASIC LIFE SUPPORT WITH THE CHARLIE BEING THE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT.

BUT AS YOU MIGHT SUSPECT, GIVEN THAT IT'S DETERMINED THAT IT'S A NON-EMERGENCY RESPONSE, LESS LIKELY TO BE A LIFE-THREATENING EMERGENCY.

AND FOR US, THIS IS WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY IS, RIGHT? WE HAVE EXPENSIVE RESOURCE, WHICH WE NEED ON THOSE HIGHER PRIORITY CALLS, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE AS HELPFUL ON THE LOWER PRIORITY CALLS.

AND AS YOU MIGHT ALSO SUSPECT, THE INCIDENTS OF THOSE LOWER PRIORITY CALLS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES OVER TIME, PARTICULARLY AS ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE RESOURCES, UM, START TO DRY UP.

UH, AND I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT WHERE THAT HAPPENS IN A MINUTE.

SO, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR, OUR PARTNERS, THE EMS DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IS TO REALLY RETHINK WHAT THAT EMS SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE.

SO WE STILL HAVE THE AMBULANCE, WE STILL HAVE THE AMBULANCE AND FIRETRUCK OPTION, BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER OPTIONS IN THE MIDDLE.

UH, ONE IS IN-PERSON, PHYSICIAN, OR PA SERVICES, AND THE OTHERS VIA TELEHEALTH.

UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE COST PER UNIT HOUR OF THOSE SERVICES, IT'S MUCH LESS THAN THE OTHER COMPONENTS.

UH, AND ALSO HELPS TO, UH, AS WE HANDLE CALLS WITH THOSE RESOURCES, IT HELPS TO FREE UP AMBULANCE RESPONSE TIME FOR THOSE HIGHER ACUITY CALLS.

UH, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, HOW MUCH LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD PARTIAL IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR PARAMEDIC PRACTITIONERS, IT WAS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF AMBULANCE RESOURCES RETURNED TO SERVICE, UH, THROUGH THIS, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ONLY PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED.

UH, BUT AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO BETTER IDENTIFY AT THE POINT OF TRIAGE WHAT RESOURCES AN INDIVIDUAL MAY NEED, AND THEN APPLY THE RIGHT, UH, RESOURCES FOR THAT PARTICULAR EMERGENCY.

UH, I WILL SAY THERE ARE MANY OTHER VARIATIONS OF THIS OPTION.

I'VE GIVEN YOU HIGHLIGHTS HERE.

UH, SO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, IN TERMS OF, OF A RESPONSE MATRIX FOR US, WE HAVE, UH, THE EMS DEPARTMENT IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR SHIFTS.

WE HAVE AN ASSIGNED SHIFT PHYSICIAN, AND WE HAVE AN ASSIGNED SHIFT PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT.

UH, THESE INDIVIDUALS, UH, ROTATE CALL WITH THEM, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION IS TO CREATE A TEAM ENVIRONMENT SO THAT OUR PHYSICIANS AND OUR PAS BECOME USED TO WORKING WITH, UH, WITH CREWS.

THEY BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RESPONSIVE.

THEY DO BEDSIDE EDUCATION IN ADDITION TO THE DIRECT CLINICAL CARE.

UH, AND IT'S BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED, UH, BY OUR CREWS .

SO IN ADDITION TO THE CLINICAL STUFF, WE HAVE SOME OTHER, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITIES REALLY CENTERED AROUND THESE THREE ITEMS. THE DATA ANALYSIS AND, UH, RESEARCH PIECE, UH, THE QUALITY AND EQUITY PIECE, AND THEN EDUCATION AND CREDENTIALING PIECE.

UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UH, THANKS TO, UH, TO COUNCIL ACTION.

OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF, UH, SESSIONS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HIRE, UH, A DATA MANAGER, UH, ADDITIONAL QUALITY IMPROVEMENT FOLKS, UH, TO HELP ON THIS QUALITY EFFORT AND CERTAINLY OUR, OUR EQUITY TEAM AS WELL.

AND THEY'VE BEEN HARD AT WORK.

WE HAVE CREATED, WE'RE DRAFTING SOME DASHBOARDS ASSOCIATED WITH CLINICAL OUTCOMES.

UM, THEY ARE NOT READY YET TO BE PRESENTED, BUT WE'RE WORKING THERE.

AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE HAD IN, IN PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE METRIC THAT WE TRADITIONALLY GO TO IS RESPONSE TIMES.

HOW FAST CAN WE GET TO SOMETHING? NOT WHAT'S THE OUTCOME OF THAT INTERACTION? UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THE OUTCOME IS, IS QUITE IMPORTANT IN, IN FACT, MOST OF THE TIME, MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE RESPONSE TIME.

NOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG, THERE'S RESPONSE TIMES ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT NOT IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCES, AND PROBABLY NOT IN THE MAJORITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO, AS WE ARE ABLE TO ASSESS OUTCOMES, WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT PARTICULAR INFORMATION.

UH, AND WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON RIGHT NOW IS, IS THE, THE EQUITY OF THOSE OUTCOMES, UH, BOTH BASED ON GEOGRAPHY AS WELL AS, UH, RACE AND ETHNICITY.

UM, SO THOSE OF THE, THIS IS THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH, ONE OF THE, THE MANY MAPS, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY'S

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PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH OUR EASTERN CRESCENT.

AND THE FACT THAT, UH, ACCESS TO CARE, UH, THINGS LIKE UNDERLYING DISEASES OF MANY FLAVORS, UH, ARE MORE CONCENTRATED IN THESE AREAS.

UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE CARDIAC ARREST IN THE INCIDENTS OF CARDIAC ARREST IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WE TRADITIONALLY LOOK AT NATIONAL DATA AND WE LOOK AT HOW WE'RE DOING AS AN ENTITY, AS A COUNTY.

UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT OTHER EMS SYSTEMS, THEY DO THE SAME THING.

HOW ARE WE DOING IN TOTALITY? BUT WHEN WE DISAGGREGATE THE DATA AND LOOK AT IT MORE SPECIFICALLY BY RACE AND ETHNICITY, BY COUNCIL DISTRICT, BY GEOGRAPHY, IT PAINTS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT STORY.

SO, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS OUR, OUR CARDIAC ARREST DATA FROM TWO YEARS AGO NOW, UH, 2021.

UH, AND WHAT YOU SEE IS A BREAKDOWN OF INCIDENTS OF CARDIAC ARREST IN AND PERCENT POPULATION BASED ON RACE AND ETHNICITY.

UH, AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED TWO OF THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION AND THOSE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING CARDIAC ARREST.

UM, AND WHAT WE ALSO SEE IS THAT THE SURVIVAL FROM CARDIAC ARREST IS DIFFERENT BASED UPON RACE AND ETHNICITY AS WELL.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON THE OMO SIDE IS GET AT THE HEART OF THIS, RIGHT.

DATA IS STEP ONE, BUT STEP TWO IS SORTING OUT HOW WE SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. HOW DO WE CREATE EQUITY AND OUTCOMES VERSUS THE RESPONSE TIMES? AND THIS IS WHERE THAT CONCEPT OF OMO, UH, REALLY PLAYS A ROLE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST FINDING AN EMS OR A FIRE SOLUTION.

IT'S ABOUT ENGAGING EMS IN FIRE AND PUBLIC HEALTH AND COMMUNITY CARE AND ALL THE OTHER HEALTHCARE STAKEHOLDERS TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM AND SORT OUT HOW WE CAN APPLY APPROPRIATE RESOURCES TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT CARDIAC ARREST.

WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAUMA.

WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, OVERDOSES, HEART ATTACKS, STROKES, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

UH, BASED ON RIGHT NOW, THE OUTCOME INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, RELATED TO THE CARDIAC ARREST IS AREAS WHERE SOMEBODY EXPERIENCES A CARDIAC ARREST AND THEY DON'T GET BYSTANDER CPR.

UH, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, THE EASTERN CRESCENT OVERLAPS WITH AREAS WHERE WE SEE A, UH, A LACK OF CORRELATION BETWEEN CARDIAC ARRESTS AND CPR HAPPENING.

SO, UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH EMS AND FIRE ALONG WITH FLEET, UH, TO USE THE NEW GEOTAB PROGRAM.

THE CITY HAS, UH, IMPLEMENTED TO IDENTIFY WHAT CITY VEHICLES ARE MOST OFTEN IN THIS AREA OF CONCERN, UH, WITH THE INTENTION OF US TOGETHER, GOING TO COUNCIL, UH, AND, UH, RECOMMENDING IMPLEMENTATION OF A COMMUNITY C P R ACTIVATION, WHERE WE CAN INCLUDE CITY, OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS WEARING A UNIFORM AND A MARKED VEHICLE, TEACHING THEM CPR, GIVING THEM AN A E D, AND HOPEFULLY INCREASING BIAS, TENER CPR, AND ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE, UH, EQUITY ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING BOTH IN APPLICATION OF CPR AND SURVIVAL, UH, FROM CARDIAC ARREST.

UH, SO MORE ON THAT LATER, HOPEFULLY AS, AS WE GET INTO BUDGET SESSION.

UH, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS WE'RE, WE'RE APPLYING THIS DATA AND THE RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.

UH, WITH THAT.

I KNOW I SPOKE QUICKLY, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS.

I, I THANK YOU.

I, I SHOULD SAY THAT, THAT, THAT, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DASHBOARDS WE'RE BUILDING, UH, WE INTEND ON SOME OF THOSE DASHBOARDS BEING PUBLICLY FACING SO THE COMMUNITY CAN, CAN BE AWARE OF, UM, THE OUTCOMES AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, COMMISSIONER NEWMAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

UM, I DEFINITELY COMMEND YOU ON THE, THE COMMUNITY PARAMEDICINE PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE.

UH, IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.

IT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT MY SURVIVAL RATE IS, UH, GONNA BE PRETTY LOW IF I WAS GONNA GO INTO CARDIAC ARREST.

BUT, UM, YOUR NUMBERS ARE LOW.

I, I, I SHOULD SAY, AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, THE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF INCIDENTS POPULATING, BUT YEAH.

BUT I, I WAS INTERESTED, UH, IN ONE OF THE SLIDES, IT, IT, IT