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HERE, 6 0 2.

[CALL TO ORDER]

UM, CALLING THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

IT'S MAY 17TH, 6:00 PM WE'RE UP AT 63 10 WILHELM DELCO DRIVE.

UM, LET'S GO AROUND THE HORN AND DO ROLL CALL IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UH, STARTING WITH YOU.

SHI CUZ YOU ARE IN THE HOT SEAT.

I'M HERE.

UH, MARIANA KRUGER HERE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

YEAH.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

MARIANA KRUEGER.

HERE.

SHERA.

HERE.

RANDBERG.

HERE.

COFER.

HERE.

NICHOLS HERE.

DAVE SULLIVAN.

DISTRICT NINE.

HERE.

PRIMER HERE.

PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT A QUORUM.

UM, AND WE'VE GOT TWO

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

PUBLIC COMMENTS, CORRECT.

ELIZABETH, LET'S, UM, WENDY, YOU GET TO GO FIRST.

UH, WENDY GORDON'S COMING UP.

UM, AND YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES, MA'AM.

YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THE PROCEDURES.

YOU, YOU WERE ON THIS COMMISSION AT ONE POINT IN TIME.

YOU MAY HAVE TO HIT THE BUTTON THERE TO GET THE GREEN LIGHT ON IN THE CENTER THERE.

THERE WE GO.

GREEN LIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

GREETINGS, COMMISSIONERS.

I'M DR.

WENDY GORDON.

I'M A FORMER COMMISSIONER, MYSELF AND ALSO AN ECOLOGIST.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M STANDING TONIGHT.

I WISH TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION A TOPIC THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION A YEAR AGO.

THAT'S THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF MOSQUITO SPRING ON POLLINATORS AND OTHER BENEFICIAL INVERTEBRATES.

A YEAR AGO I WAS IN ATLANTA AND I KEPT RUNNING ACROSS YARD SIGNS LIKE THIS.

NEXT, UH, SLIDE, PLEASE.

THAT SH SAYS, MOSQUITO SP SPRAYING KILLS BEES.

AND YEAH, I WAS KIND OF STUNNED.

I HADN'T PREVIOUSLY RECOGNIZED THE POTENTIAL, THE ADVERSE IMPACTS OF MOSQUITO SP SPRAYING ON POLLINATORS.

AND I MYSELF HAVE NOT EMPLOYED THE SERVICES OF COMMERCIAL MOSQUITO SPRAYERS, BUT THEIR ADVERTISING IS UBIQUITOUS.

SO MOST OF US ARE AWARE THERE'S A POLLINATOR CRISIS.

BEES ARE BEING LISTED AS ENDANGERED SPECIES.

MONARCH BUTTER BUTTERFLY IS PROPOSED FOR ENDANGERED SPECIES LISTING STATUS.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS ABOUT MOSQUITO SPRING.

SO, IN THE PAST DECADE, HAS SEEN A RAPID PROLIFERATION OF THE MOSQUITO CONTROL SERVICES IN MANY COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING AUSTIN.

THESE SERVICES TYPICALLY CONSIST OF INSECTICIDES APPLIED VIA BACKPACK SPRAYERS, OR FOGGERS, OR AUTOMATED MISTING SYSTEMS INSTALLED IN RESIDENTIAL YARDS.

REGARDLESS OF THE DELIVERY METHOD, THE PESTICIDAL AGENTS MOST COMMONLY AND WIDELY APPLIED ARE PYRETHROIDS SYNTHETIC FORMS OF BOTANICAL PYRETHRIN INSECTICIDES.

NEXT SLIDE.

HOWEVER, PYRETHROIDS DO NOT DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN MOSQUITOES AND NON-ART INSECTS.

PYRETHROIDS ARE HIGHLY TOXIC TO BEES OR REMAIN SO FOR DAYS AFTER APPLICATION, THEY ALSO KILL OTHER BENEFICIAL INVERTEBRATES, INCLUDING BUTTERFLIES, MOSS, LADYBUGS, DRAGONFLIES, LIGHTNING BUGS, BEETLES, AND SPIDERS.

AND IN WATERWAYS, THEY ARE HIGHLY TOXIC TO FISH AND OTHER AQUATIC LIFE.

SO IN THIS CASE, BEING NATURAL DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE SAFE TO WILDLIFE.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS I, UM, BORROWED, IF YOU WILL, FROM, UH, DECATUR, GEORGIA ACTUALLY HAS A PROGRAM.

AND THAT FIRST SIGN I SHOWED YOU, THEY CALL THEMSELVES DECATUR.

SO THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE WHOLE ISSUE OF MOSQUITO SPRAYING AND ITS ADVERSE IMPACTS.

AND SO, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE IS THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO MOSQUITO SPRAYING, AND THAT JUST INCLUDES SOUND PRACTICES LIKE ELIMINATING STANDING SOURCES OF WATER AND KEEPING RAIN GUTTERS CLEAR SO THEY DON'T TRAP WATER.

ADDING MOSQUITO DUNKS TO FOUNTAINS AND ORNAMENTAL PONDS, ET CETERA.

AND ALSO MAINTAINING PROPERTY TO LIMIT DENSE UNDERGROWTH THAT CAN HARBOR ADULT MOSQUITOES.

AND THE FINAL SLIDE.

SO I, AGAIN, I'M JUST BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION TONIGHT BECAUSE AS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE TAKING INDIVIDUAL AND COMMUNITY ACTION TO IMPROVE HABITAT CONDITIONS AND NOT FURTHER CONTRIBUTE TO THE IMPERILMENT OF CRITICAL INVERTEBRATES.

RIGHT? WE KNOW EDUCATION, LIKE ALWAYS IS KEY.

AND WHILE I'M AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF ARE ALWAYS ASKED TO DO MANY, MANY THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, NONETHELESS, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

I'VE PROVIDED A FEW RESOURCES HERE.

THE DECATUR, UH, WEBSITE IS ONE OF THEM.

THE ERSI SOCIETY IS IS ANOTHER ONE, UH, THAT MIDDLE PORTION OF THAT SLIDE.

SO, XERCES AND, UH, DECATUR RIGHT NOW, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A COLLABORATION GOING.

THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE ENROLLING YARDS THIS SUMMER TO ACTUALLY TRACK, UM, PESTICIDE RESIDUES, INSECTICIDE RESIDUES TO SEE WHAT THE FATE OF THOSE ARE.

AND ALSO XERCES ON THAT, UM, FAR RIGHT SIDE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER A PDF, UH, YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ON EFFECTIVE COMMUNITY MOSQUITO MANAGEMENT.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS AS SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS YOU LOOK INTO IN MORE DETAIL.

THANK YOU VERY

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MUCH FOR COMING DOWN AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE SLIDES.

YES, YOU'RE WELCOME.

AND CERTAINLY ANYBODY CAN REACH OUT TO ME.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

AND ELIZABETH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SENDING OUT, UH, WENDY'S CONTACT INFORMATION, AND IF SHE'S PROVIDED THE SLIDES, SEND THOSE TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENTER AND I BELIEVE HE'S CALLING IN, UH, TIM MAHONEY.

ARE YOU THERE? TIM? TIM, IF YOU ARE MUTED, YOU NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF AND WE'LL ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN WE CAN HEAR YOU.

YOU'RE STILL MUTED, TIM, IF YOU'RE TALKING, HEY, GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

I DIDN'T MUTE ME.

THE, THERE YOU GO.

WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

YOU GOT THREE MINUTES, SIR.

OKAY.

I, I WON'T TAKE UP THAT TIME.

I, I'M A, UH, FORMER CHAIR OF THE, UH, CITY'S URBAN FORESTRY BOARD AND, UH, LIKE IN 2007, SO, UM, WHAT THAT ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, AND I TRIED TO, UH, GET THE CITY TO GET THE CITY TO, UH, DEVELOP A, AN URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

AND IN THE INTERVENED 50 YEARS, THE URBAN FORESTRY BOARD WAS ABSORBED INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD.

SO THAT'S, I'M REACHING OUT TO YOU TO SAY MAYBE IT'S A GOOD TIME TO, TO DO IT WITH, UH, I, I KNOW THE, UH, THE CITY'S, UH, HAS AN URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE ANY OUTREACH TO CITIZENS AND, AND REALLY WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING UP AN AWARENESS FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, MONITOR THE CITY'S URBAN FOREST AND, AND GET IT BUILT.

I KNOW THERE USED TO BIG PARTICIPATION, UM, WITH, UM, THREE FOLKS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL GOING.

UH, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WAS, I THINK AS MOST PEOPLE WERE, WAS JUST STARTLED WITH THE, UH, ALL THE, DURING THIS LAST FREEZE IN JANUARY, ALL THE BRANCHES JUST BROKE OFF.

AND IT WAS BECAUSE, UH, THE TREES WERE SUFFERING FROM A, A STRUCTURAL DROUGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD AN URBAN FORESTRY PLAN WHERE WE WERE MONITORING THE HEALTH OF TREES AND WHATNOT.

IT'D BE LESS THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

SO AT ANY RATE, IN 2007, I TRIED TO, UH, DEVELOP A, A COMPREHENSIVE URBAN FORESTRY, UH, PLAN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND SECTIONS OF THE CITY COULD ACTUALLY START PARTICIPATING.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY, THE CITIZENS ARE STILL THE CITY'S UNTAPPED, UH, WEALTH IN TERMS OF A GOOD ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST PUT IN YOUR, I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, INTERACTIVE URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN BE CREATED.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY.

BYE BYE-BYE.

THANKS.

IT'S LIKE A RADIO SHOW.

UM, OKAY.

UM, ALRIGHT, SO MOVING ON IN THE AGENDA,

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

UM, TO THE FIRST, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UM, ELIZABETH HAS DISSEMINATED THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.

UM, SOME, SOME EAGLE EYES, CAUGHT SOME GREAT THINGS.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, OR REVISIONS TO THE MINI MINUTES? ALL RIGHT.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES SECOND BY SCOTT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.

MAKES EASY FOR ME.

LOOKS TO BE UNANIMOUS.

AND SCOTT'S ON THE DIAS TOO.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, MOVING ON

[2. Name: Redevelopment Exception in Barton Springs Zone for Texas Research International Expansion, SP-2019-0383D]

TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE FOR THE TEXAS RESEARCH INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION.

S SP 20 19 0 3 83 D, UM, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 92 25 FM.

2244, OR BK ROAD.

UM, AND I BELIEVE PAMELA IN PERSON WILL BE HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

HELLO.

OKAY, UM, COMMISSIONERS, FIRST OF ALL, EVERYONE, I'M SORRY FOR THE COUGH TOP IN MY MOUTH, BUT I'LL THE COUGHING INSTEAD OF TALKING IF I DON'T DO THAT.

SO I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, SO GOOD EVENING.

YES.

TONIGHT WE HAVE THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE.

HM, SORRY.

TEXAS RESEARCH INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION, UM, BY MYSELF, UH, PAMELA ABT OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

[00:10:01]

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE KIND OF THING THAT WE USUALLY BRING.

IT'S NOT A VARIANCE.

AND SO I TRY TO KIND OF SPLIT IT UP, KIND OF MAKE IT UNDERSTANDABLE.

SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SITE, THE CODE, AND THE PROJECT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THE SITE NEXT PLEASE, IS IN WEST AUSTIN.

IT'S RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE EDWARDS AQUIFER CONTRIBUTING ZONE, YOU CAN SEE THERE.

UM, AND THE GREEN NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

IT'S OFF JUST OFF OF 2244.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND THAT'S JUST A CLOSE UP VIEW OFF 2244.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THERE WE GO.

GOOD.

THANK YOU.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

AERIALLY, UH, THIS IS, UM, THAT'S FINE.

GO AHEAD.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO IT'S IN THE BARTON CREEK WATERSHED IN THE BARTON SPRING ZONE.

UM, IT ISS IN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER CONTRIBUTING ZONE, UH, THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE IN THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.

IT DOES HAVE RIMROCK AND, UH, SPRING CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES.

AND AS THE COUNCIL DISTRICT IS NOT APPLICABLE, CUZ IT'S IN THE EJ.

NEXT, PLEASE.

SO THE CODE NEXT PLEASE.

SO WHAT IS THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION? SO 25 8 26 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS THAT YOU CAN REDEVELOP EXISTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE BARTON SPRING ZONE THAT DO NOT COMPLY WITH CURRENT WATERSHED REGULATIONS.

OKAY.

THIS SECTION CANNOT BE APPLIED IF THERE'S BEEN ANY UNPERMITTED UH, DEVELOPMENT SINCE JANUARY 1ST, 1992.

UM, AND THIS SECTION 25,826 SUPERSEDES ARTICLE 13 OR THE SAVE OUR SPRINGS, UH, INITIATIVE.

NEXT, PLEASE.

OKAY, SO HOW DOES IT WORK? SO IF REDEVELOPMENT MEETS ALL THE CONDITIONS LAID OUT IN 25 8 26, THEN SUB CHAP 25 8 SUBCHAPTER A DOESN'T APPLY.

WHAT DOES SUBCHAPTER A REGULATE? IT REGULATES WATER QUALITY, IMPERVIOUS COVER CUT AND FILL DEVELOPMENT ON SLOPES, FLOODPLAIN MODIFICATIONS AND PROTECTIONS AND SETBACKS FOR WATERWAYS AND CRITICAL WATER FEATURES.

SO, CFS, CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONES, TRANSITION ZONES, ET CETERA.

NEXT, PLEASE.

SO THIS IN THE REAL TINY PRINT, IT'S TINY AND ILLEGIBLE AND THAT'S OKAY CUZ YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO READ IT.

WE'RE GONNA GO OVER 'EM ONE AT A AT A TIME IN JUST A MOMENT.

BUT THESE ARE THE NINE CONDITIONS THAT, UH, AND, UM, THEY'RE IN THE, THE BACKUP AS WELL.

THESE ARE THE NINE CONDITIONS THAT A SITE HAS TO, UH, COMPLY WITH TO, UH, TO USE 25,826.

NEXT, PLEASE.

SO TO SUMMARIZE, FOR A SITE IN THE BARTON SPRING ZONE THAT HAS EXISTING LEGAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MEETS ALL THE NINE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH IN A MOMENT, UM, THE WATERSHED IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT IS IN APPLICABLE.

SO THIS WOULD, YEAH, SO NOR, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WE HAVE EXTREMELY LOW NUMBERS OF THE OR IMPERVIOUS COVER NUMBERS IN THE, IN THE BARTON SPRING ZONE.

SO IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER, THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER IS THE ALLOWED IMPERVIOUS COVER.

NEXT, PLEASE.

SO WHY ARE WE HERE? UM, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE 25 8 26 STIPULATES THAT IF A SITE IS IN THE EJ, IT HAS TO GET COUNCIL APPROVAL TO DO THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION IN THE BARTONS.

THIS IS JUST IN THE BARTON SPRINGS ZONE.

UM, AND SO BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL, WE'RE BRINGING IT HERE, UH, FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

UM, AND 25,000 8 26 FURTHER STIPULATES THAT COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER FOUR THINGS, UH, OR IS ISSUES, UM, AND CON DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THE REDEVELOPMENT FOR THIS SITE.

SO, BENEFITS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT TO THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER THE PROPOSED MITIGATION OR MANNER OF DEVELOPMENT OFFSETS THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT, THE EFFECTS OF OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE, REQUIREMENTS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE WILL GO OVER THOSE ONE AT A TIME IN A MOMENT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THE PROJECT NEXT, PLEASE.

THE PROJECT IS THE TEXAS RESEARCH INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION.

UM, IT'S AN EXISTING SITE OF 2244, APPROXIMATELY

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17.6 ACRES ALREADY DEVELOPED IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION.

YOU SEE HERE, THE TWO KIND OF WHITE BOXES TO THE RIGHT ARE EXISTING BUILDINGS.

AND THEN THIS PART ON THE LEFT HERE IS, UH, PARKING LOT.

UH, NEXT PLEASE.

THE PROJECT WILL CONSIST OF THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF FOUR OF A, I'M SORRY, FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND AN ADJACENT THREE STORY PARKING BUILDING.

THE PROJECTS IN PROJECT INCLUDES THE NECESSARY SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR UTILITY SERVICES, GRADING AND DRAINAGE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

AND JUST, I, I USED THIS PARTICULAR, UH, GRAPHIC BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE CFS, UH, NEXT TO IT.

SO THERE YOU, IN BROWN, YOU HAVE THE, UH, UH, BLUFF OR, UM, RIM ROCK CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE.

AND THEN THE SPRINGS TO THE, UH, WELL, I'M GONNA SAY PLAN WEST AND EAST OF THAT, AND THEN THAT SHOWS THE, UH, THE BUFFERS AROUND THOSE.

SO, ALRIGHT, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, HOW THIS PROJECT MEETS THE CONDITIONS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION, NUMBER ONE, CONDITION NUMBER ONE REDEVELOPMENT MAY NOT INCREASE THE EXISTING AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE SITE.

AND INDEED THIS PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THAT.

IT DOES NOT INCREASE IMPERVIOUS COVER AT ALL.

UM, UH, SO THIS IS, UH, YEAH, SO THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW ON THIS SECTION, OOPS.

GO.

CAN YOU GO BACK PLEASE? IT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR ANTICIPATING.

I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, SO 3.48 ACRES, UH, ON THE BARTON SPRING SIDE OF THE SITE.

BARTON, YEAH.

BARTON, YES.

SPRING ZONE SIDE OF THE SITE, WHICH IS 54%.

UM, SO THE REASON THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER THAN IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED IS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, WHICH WAS DONE, UH, I THINK WAS APPROVED IN 2009, STARTED IN 2008, RECEIVED A VESTED RIGHTS DETERMINATION THAT ALLOWED IT TO USE, UM, CODE FROM 1981, WHICH WAS, UH, BEFORE THE SOS.

AND, AND THEN BECAUSE THEY WERE USING THAT CODE, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO GET A VARIANCE.

UM, AND, AND THEN THEY WERE ALLOWED TO, TO HAVE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.

THEY HAVE, BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY TOOK THE, UM, THEY MOVED THE, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER TO THE FLATTER PART OF THE, OF THE LAW, THE SITE, WHICH MADE IT, UM, PUT MORE, DOES THE SITE, I, OKAY, I DIDN'T WANNA COMPLICATE THINGS, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND COMPLICATE THINGS.

UM, THE SITE ACTUALLY STRADDLES TO, UH, ITS WATER SUPPLY, RURAL AND, AND BARTON SPRING ZONE.

SO TWO DIFFERENT ZONES.

SO IT COULD HAVE HAD MORE I ZONE, BUT, UM, IT WAS SUPER STEEP OVER THERE.

SO THEY MOVED IT TO THE BARTON SPRINGS PART, WHICH THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO WITH THE, THE BETWEEN THE, UH, VESTED RIGHTS RULING AND THE ZONING.

OKAY, NEXT, PLEASE.

SO, NUMBER TWO, CONDITION NUMBER TWO, THE REDEVELOPMENT MAY NOT INCREASE NON-COMPLIANCE, IF ANY, WITH THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE RESTRICTIONS, THE CRITICAL ENVIRON ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE RESTRICTIONS AND, UH, WETLAND PROTECTIONS.

AND WHAT ELSE IS IT? WATER QUALITY TRANSITION ZONE.

THERE IS NO CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE OR WATER QUALITY TRANSITION ZONE, AND IT DOES NOT INCREASE NON-COMPLIANCE.

THERE IS NO NON-COMPLIANCE RIGHT NOW WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES.

SO IT'S GOOD.

UM, MAKE SURE THERE'S THAT THING THAT I SAID THERE THAT I DIDN'T SAY OUT LOUD.

UH, OKAY.

NUMBER THREE, THE REDEVELOPMENT MUST COMPLY WITH SECTION 25,821 ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE INVENTORY REQUIREMENT, WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE TO TURN IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE INVENTORY AND ALL CONSTRUCTION PHASE ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS IN EFFECT AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WILL BE NOW, UH, INCLUDING CHAPTER 25 8.

ARTICLE FIVE, EROSION AND SEDIMENTATION CONTROL, UH, OVERLAND FLOW AND FISCAL SURETY IN THE BARTON SPRING ZONE.

SO THEY WILL BE DOING CURRENT CODE EROSION CONTROLS, UM, CURRENT CODE FISCAL, UH, SO YEAH, ALL OF THAT WILL BE UP, UP TO DATE.

UH, NEXT PLEASE.

CONDITION NUMBER FOUR.

WATER QUALITY CONTROLS, UH, ON THE REDEVELOPMENT MUST PROVIDE A LEVEL OF WATER QUALITY TREATMENT THAT IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN, THAN THAT WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED.

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THE PROJECT IS KEEPING THE PONDS THAT IT HAS AND THEREFORE IT IS COMPLYING BECAUSE IT'S EX IT'S THE SAME.

UH, REMEMBER, THEY'RE NOT INCREASING THEIR IMPERVIOUS COVER, SO THEY'RE JUST KEEPING WHAT THEY HAVE.

NUMBER FIVE, FOR A COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY REDEVELOPMENT, THE OWNER OR OPERATOR, UH, MUST OBTAIN A PERMIT UNDER THE BARTON SPRING ZONE OPERATING PERMIT.

UM, REQUIREMENTS, THEY DO HAVE AN OPERATING PERMIT FOR THE CURRENT POND, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE IT FOR THE, FOR THE FUTURE POND, WELL, FOR THE SAME POND INTO THE FUTURE.

UH, NEXT PLEASE.

CONDITION NUMBER SIX FOR A SITE PLAN WITH MORE THAN 40% NET SITE AREA IMPERVIOUS COVER.

THE REDEVELOP WAIT IS THIS, THIS IS MORE, YES, THE REDEVELOPMENT MUST HAVE EITHER SEDIMENT, SEDIMENTATION, FILTRATION PONDS FOR THE ENTIRE SITE OR SOS PONDS, UH, FOR A PORTION OF THE SITE AND SEDIMENTATION FILTRATION FOR THE REST.

THIS PROVIDES, THIS MEETS AN A, IT HAS SEDIMENTATION FOR THE ENTIRE SEDIMENTATION FILTRATION FOR THE ENTIRE SITE.

NUMBER SEVEN IS NOT APPLICABLE BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES SITES WITH LESS THAN 40% OF PERVIOUS COVER.

NEXT, PLEASE.

AND NUMBER EIGHT, THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT, UH, IF REQUIRED BY IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION F H.

UH, ONE OF THE OPTIONS UNDER SECTION H IS TO PAY INTO THE BARTON SPRING ZONE MITIGATION FUND, AND THAT IS WHAT THIS APPLICANT WITH THIS APPLICATION WILL DO.

NUMBER NINE, REDEVELOPMENT MAY NOT BE LOCATED IN THE EROSION HAZARD ZONE.

IT'S AN APPLICABLE, THERE IS NO EROSION HAZARDS ZONE ON THIS SITE, AND THAT'S SO THEY COMPLY WITH ALL NINE CONDITIONS OR REQUIREMENTS.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UM, SO BEFORE WE GET TO THE FOUR THINGS THAT COUNCIL HAS TO CONSIDER, UM, WHAT IS IT THAT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER? SO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS REQUIRED FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT.

IT'S BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED IN THE E T J CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS A RE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU AND, WHOOPS, NOT YET.

THIS, THE RECOMMENDATION IS ONLY A VOTE FOR OR AGAINST THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION.

UH, IT IS NOT, THIS IS NOT A VARIANCE REQUEST.

THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS ATTACHED.

IT'S JUST FOR OR AGAINST.

SO HERE'S WHAT THIS, WHAT THE CODE DIRECTS THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

OKAY, NOW, THANK YOU.

UH, NUMBER ONE, BENEFITS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.

THE SUBJECT AREA IS CURRENTLY A PAID SURFACE PARKING LOT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA INTO AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH ITS, UH, PARKING, UM, WILL CONVERT EXISTING SURFACE PARKING AREA AND RELATED AND PERVIOUS COVER TO POSITIVE USES AS ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE BUILDING, UM, PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE BUILDING AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS TO A COMPANY ADJACENT OFFICE, CAMPUS AND PUBLIC LIBRARY THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND IT INCREASES THE TAX BASE.

NEXT, PLEASE CONSIDERATION NUMBER TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED MITIGATION OR MANNER OF DEVELOPMENT OFFSETS THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT.

AND WE THINK, YES, THE PROPOSED, UH, REDEVELOPMENT CONVERTS EXISTING SURFACE PARKING AREA AS MENTIONED AND RELATED IMPERVIOUS COVER TO A PRODUCTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE USE AND DOES NOT INCREASE THE LEVEL OF IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE SITE.

THE PROJECT WILL CONTRIBUTE MONEY INTO THE BARTON SPRING ZONE MITIGATION FUND AS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO THE, TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BARTON SPRING ZONE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION.

AND THE PROJECT WILL ALSO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL RAINWATER HARVESTING.

NEXT, PLEASE.

NUMBER THREE IS NOT APPLICABLE BECAUSE THERE IS NO OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THIS WITH THIS PLAN.

AND NUMBER FOUR, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE COMP IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T REALLY SAY MUCH ABOUT THE EJ.

UM, SO, UH, I, SO I'M ADDRESSING THIS BY LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S, UM, UH, VISION STATEMENT, WHICH DOES SAY THAT WE FAVORS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND SUSTAINABILITY, AND I WOULD SAY BY INCREASING OFFICE SPACE, IT'S ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND IT ADDRESSES SUSTAINABILITY OR COMPLIES WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY REQUIREMENT BY, UH, BY NOT INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS COVER AT ALL.

SO, UM, SO THERE YOU HAVE THE FOUR THINGS TO CONSIDER.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE THOROUGH PRESENTATION.

UM, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT? DO WE KNOW OR OKAY.

JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU, YEAH.

OKAY.

UM,

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WELL, LET'S GO AROUND THE HORN.

UH, I CRUSH YOU, PLEASE.

HEY, PAMELA, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

UH, I JUST HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REDEVELOPING THIS PARKING LOT AND TURNING IT INTO AN OFFICE BUILDING.

SO DOES THE TOTAL PARKING FOR THE WHOLE, I GUESS, LOT OR COMPLEX, WHATEVER YOU WOULD CALL IT, DOES THAT JUST GO DOWN, LIKE THEY'RE NOT BUILDING LIKE A GARAGE OR ANYTHING? THEY ARE, THEY ARE.

SO IT'S, IT'S A FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND A THREE STORY GARAGE.

GOTCHA, GOTCHA.

ALL ON TOP OF EXISTING PARKING.

RIGHT? THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

APPRECIATE IT.

MM-HMM.

.

THANK YOU.

SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE ANY KRUEGER? YEAH, SORRY, I WAS STILL LOOKING SOMETHING UP.

UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION.

THAT WAS HELPFUL.

UM, I WANTED TO GO BACK TO SLIDE 18 IF I CAN FIND IT.

JUST TO CONFIRM, I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE ADDRESSED THIS ON FUTURE SLIDES, BUT, UM, IN 0.2 YOU LIST OUT THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE RESTRICTIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, WETLAND PROTECTION, WATER QUALITY, TRANSITION ZONE, AND THEN BELOW YOU SAY THIS PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE CURRENT CODE FOR CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE PROTECTIONS.

SO I'M CURIOUS, DOES IT ALSO COMPLY WITH, UM, THE WATER QUALITY TRANSITION ZONE AND THE WETLAND PROTECTION? UM, OR DOES IT NOT? IT, THERE'S NO WATER QUALITY TRANSITION ZONE ON THE SITE.

OKAY.

AND, AND NO WETLANDS.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, I GUESS WITH SPRINGS THERE MUST BE SOME WETLANDS, BUT IT'S JUST BASICALLY THE, ANYWAY, IT, IT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE, UH, UH, REGULATIONS.

OKAY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

THANK YOU.

YEP.

UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A SLIDE ABOUT PROPOSED MITIGATION EFFORTS MM-HMM.

, AND THIS IS REALLY A PROCESS QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF FOR CITY STAFF OR OTHERS, WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY IS THERE FOR THESE PROPOSED MITIGATION EFFORTS? LIKE DOES SOMEONE COME ON SITE TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE BUILT? SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY PAYING INTO THE MITIGATION FUND? OKAY, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A WORKSHEET IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUAL.

UM, AND THEY'LL FILL THAT OUT AND WE WILL SEND IN THE MONEY.

OKAY.

HOW MUCH, LIKE, IS IT A PERCENTAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR IT'S, DO YOU REMEMBER MIKE MCDOUGAL ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW? DST? UH, THE, UH, THE, THE FEE IS $15,000 PER ACRE IN 2007 WITH I BELIEVE A 15% RATE OF INFLATION.

UH, IF YOU WORK THROUGH THE NUMBERS, BALLPARK, I THINK IT'S ABOUT $37,000 PER ACRE, THE QUANTITY OF ACRES, THAT 15% IS ANNUAL.

UH, AND THE QUANTITY OF ACRES IS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SITE, THE REDEVELOPMENT AND THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.

IT'S, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED FORM.

I CAN, I, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH ABOUT 15 MINUTES AND SOME MORE NUMBERS, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXACT ANSWER, BUT, BUT IN GENERAL, IT'S ABOUT 35, 30 $8,000 PER ACRE.

OKAY.

THANKS.

HELPFUL.

THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH, I THINK I'LL NEED TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT FUND TO UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BETTER, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE A QUICK PITCH ABOUT IT.

IT'S, UM, WHAT IS IT? UH, UH, GO, GO.

OH, I THINK WHAT DEF I THINK WE DEFER TO THE DEPUTY AND BRE OFFICER ON, ON THE USE OF THAT FUND.

YEAH.

UM, SO THE INTENT FOR, UM, SO THERE'S TWO PATHWAYS THAT WOULD BE IF, IF APPLICABLE, WOULD, UM, THE APPLICANT CAN EITHER PURCHASE MITIGATION LAND, AND THE IDEA IS THAT THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT LAND SUCH THAT THE ENTIRE BARTON MADE WHOLE, SO THAT THE ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY ARE OFFSET ELSEWHERE.

UM, THE FUND IS FOR INSTEAD OF THE APPLICANT PURCHASING LAND FOR, UM, WATERSHED AND OR OUR PARTNERS AND, UH, WILDLANDS, UM, WATER, THE WATER TO PURCHASE WATER QUALITY PROTECTION LANDS, UM, THROUGH THE CITY'S PROCESS.

SO IT'S, UM, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PATHWAYS, BUT THE ULTIMATE RESULT IS ADDITIONAL WATER QUALITY PROTECTION LANDS IN THE BARTON SPRING ZONE.

MM-HMM.

.

SO WHEN THE CITY PURCHASES LAND THROUGH THAT FUND, IS THAT LAND THEN GUARANTEED TO BE NOT CORRECT.

DEVELOPED? CORRECT.

OKAY.

YEP.

YEAH, WE PUT, UM, TYPICALLY A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR OTHER RESTRICTIONS ON THE LAND.

OKAY.

YEP.

HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? LIKE, DOES THE FUND REACH A CERTAIN SIZE AND OF PURCHASES MADE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GETTING OUT ON MY LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, BUT I, UM, WE DO HAVE STAFF DEDICATED TO LOOKING FOR A LAND AND REACHING OUT TO LAND OWNERS BECAUSE IT IS STARTING TO GET SCARCE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, .

RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT .

UM, THANK YOU.

AND THEN I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT MIGHT HAVE LEFT MY MIND.

OH, UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS ON THIS SITE.

I JUST LOOKED UP TEXAS RESEARCH INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE, IT'S LIKE INDUSTRIAL AND ENGINEERING AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING

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DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THIS IS INDEED AN OFFICE BUILDING AND NOT A LAB SPACE, OR DID I JUST TOTALLY GO TO THE WRONG WEBSITE? , I, IT'S, UH, COME TO THE, I APOLOGIZE, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY, I QUOTED THE INTEREST RATE WRONG.

IT'S 7%, NOT 15% RUNNING THROUGH THE NUMBERS.

IT'S ABOUT $41,000 CURRENTLY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S, THAT'S A BETTER INTEREST.

STATE YOUR NAME, STATE YOUR NAME, AND THEN I GO, UH, HI, MY NAME IS SCOTT STRAY.

I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF TEXAS RESEARCH INTERNATIONAL.

MM-HMM.

, UM, THE ACTUAL, IT'S ACTUALLY OFFICE BUILDING.

UM, IT'S NOT PART OF OUR ACTUAL OPERATIONS OF WHAT WE DO.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OPERATIONS AROUND, AROUND THE CITY, BUT, UH, BUT THIS IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S OFFICE SPACE.

OKAY.

JUST LIKE OUR OTHER, OTHER TWO BUILDINGS ARE OFFICE SPACE.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

AND WAS THIS, UM, REDEVELOPMENT MOTIVATED BY JUST AN EXPANSION IN YOUR COMPANY? LIKE YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANNA BRING ON SITE OR WHAT'S KIND OF THE MOTIVATION FOR YOU? WELL, IT'S, IT'S OPTIONALITY FOR THAT ALONG WITH JUST DEMAND FOR OFFICE IN OUR, IN THAT CORRIDOR MM-HMM.

FOR, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN LAKEWAY TRYING TO COMMUTE TO AUSTIN, TRYING TO, JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

OKAY.

HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU ANTICIPATE WORKING THERE ON A DAILY BASIS? ON AVERAGE? NO IDEA.

OKAY.

NO IDEA.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR OFFICE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST WITH KIND OF THE NEW MODE OF, YOU KNOW, PARTIAL IN OFFICE AND AT A HOME, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AT CAPACITY, IT'S PROBABLY 50% OF NORMAL UHHUH .

SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME? NOT FROM ME.

THANK YOU.

HI.

I AM WONDERING IF WE, AS FOR THE COMMISSION AND FOR MYSELF REALLY, IF WE CAN GET A MAP OF WHAT THE CONSERVATION LANDS ARE CURRENTLY MM-HMM.

.

SURE.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN I SAW THAT IT SAID STAFF CONDITIONS DO NOT APPLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IS THAT CORRECT? NOPE.

NOPE.

NO CONDITIONS APPLY.

RIGHT.

SO WITH VARIANCES OR PUDS, THERE'S A BIT MORE OF A NEGOTIATION.

THE FINDINGS OF FACT FOR A VARIANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS A CONDITION FOR, YOU KNOW, GREATER ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND PUDS HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL SUPERIORITY.

AND SO FOR STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT'S DO, DO WE, DOES THE PROJECT MEET ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS? IF SO, THEN IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, IF THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT ARE, I WOULD SAY, DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE REQUEST, THEN YOU COULD HAVE A CONDITION, STAFF WILL NOT.

UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ANY CONDITION WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY DIRECTLY TIED TO THE, THE REQUEST ITSELF.

SO JUST RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DARK SKY LIGHTING, UH, REQUESTS FOR POL, ADDING POLLINATORS TO LANDSCAPING, THOSE SORT OF SPECIFIC, THOSE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NINE CONDITIONS THAT THIS HAS TO MEET.

SO STATUTORILY, IT HAS TO MEET NINE CONDITIONS, AND IF IT DOES IT COMPLIES AND IT'S, IT, IT'S APPROVED.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND UM, I APPRECIATE YOU REALLY OUTLINING THE COMPLIANCE.

UM, I REALIZE THERE'S NO CONDITIONS TO THIS, BUT WHEN THE VARIANCE WAS ORIGINALLY MADE IN 2009, THERE WERE STAFF CONDITIONS AND YOU'VE ACTUALLY HIT ON A LOT OF THOSE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE OTHER THREE AND I CAN READ THEM, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL.

UM, SO THE WAY, UH, ALL, ALL OF THE CONDITIONS DO CONTINUE TO EXIST AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED, I MEAN, THAT WE'RE APPROVED WITH THAT.

UM, LET'S, WELL, WE'LL START THERE.

GO, GO AHEAD.

NAME, NAME THE ONES THAT YOU'RE UNSURE OF.

SURE, YEAH.

THE ONLY ONES I THINK THAT WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON ARE THE RAINWATER HARVESTING FOR BUILDINGS E AND F.

OKAY.

ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, WASN'T BUILT, BUT THE OTHER ONE WAS, THAT WAS, DOES HAVE THE RAINWATER HARVESTING GREAT, UH, INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE SITE.

THEY DO HAVE THAT AND STILL APPLICABLE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND THEN LANDSCAPING WILL BE A DROUGHT TOLERANT NATIVE SPECIES IF THAT CONTINUES.

AND I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE, SO THERE'LL BE A, A NEW LANDSCAPE PLAN WHEN IT, UH, AT SOME POINT, UM, OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE PLAN.

IT'S ETJ, SO WHATEVER THEY, YEAH.

SO, SO WHATEVER THEY PUT IN WITH THE ORIGINAL, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, IF

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IT WAS APPROVED AND THEY GOT THEIR CERT, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL INSPECTOR SAID IT WAS ALL DONE AS PER CODE, THEN THAT'S KIND OF IN, THAT'S DONE, AND THAT'S THERE.

AND IT'S, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AUTHORITY TO, TO REDO THAT OR REVISIT THAT AT THIS POINT.

SO, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

WELL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE CONDITIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONER JUST MENTIONED, THOSE WOULD PERTAIN TO THE NEW BUILDING ALSO? NO, NO, NO.

THESE, THEY PERTAINED AT THE TIME OF THE VARIANCE TO THE PREVIOUS, UH, UH, APPLICATION.

SO THAT PREVIOUS APPLICATION FROM 2009 WAS BUILT.

IT'S COMPLETED, IT WAS APPROVED, IT'S DONE.

OKAY.

SO IF WE WANTED TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS WAS BETTER FOR THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OR WORSE, ONE THING OBVIOUSLY IS THE MITIGATION FEE PAYING INTO THE BARTON SPRINGS MITIGATION FEE, UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT A PARKING GARAGE IS BETTER THAN A, A PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT'S MORE CONTAINED AND EASILY TREATED.

UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT ADDING ANY TREATMENT, IT'S JUST THE EXISTING SEDI SEDIMENTATION PONDS.

CORRECT.

CORRECT.

BUT IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE A PARKING GARAGE VERSUS AN OPEN, UM, PARKING LOT? UM, I THINK, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT'S, IT'S WHAT, WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF TREATMENT, I THINK IS THE, PROBABLY THE, A GOOD QUESTION.

AND, UM, UH, THE LEVEL OF TREATMENT IS EQUIVALENT AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHETHER IT'S A PARKING GARAGE OR A PARKING LOT, IT, UM, DOESN'T IT, IT'S NOT, I CAN, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, SORRY, LIZ JOHNSTON, DEPUTY ENVIRONMENT OFFICER, IS THAT THE LEVEL OF WATER QUALITY TREATMENT REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT IS, UM, IS IT SOS OR IS IT THE SUBFIELD? PONDED.

OKAY.

IT'S THE SAME LEVEL OF TREATMENT REQUIRED EITHER WAY.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, MY, MY QUESTION IS, WOULD IT BE EASIER TO TREAT A PARKING GARAGE THAN AN OPEN PARKING LOT? BECAUSE WITH AN OPEN, WITH A PARKING GARAGE, YOU HAVE MORE VERTICAL HOLDING OF THE MOTOR VEHICLES, AND SO IT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT ON THE GROUND.

AND SO ANY RUNOFF WOULD BE IN A SMALLER AREA.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE EVER SAID THAT, UH, THE, THE ENGINEER WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE WATER COMING OFF OF THE PARKING LOT EITHER FLOWS OVER LAND TO THE, THE POND OR IS CONTAINED IN INLETS THAT DIRECTLY GOES TO THE, THE POND.

AND SO BOTH, UM, BOTH WAYS ARE, ARE COMMON.

UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT A PARKING LOT IS ANY HARDER TO TREAT THAN A BUILDING.

OKAY.

I THINK MAYBE, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING IS MAYBE IS IT A SMALLER FOOTPRINT? UH, IT'S CERTAINLY A SMALLER, IT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT FOR THE PARKING FOR THE, WELL, FOR THE AMOUNT OF PARKING.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT IT'S, UM, IT'S A LOT MORE PARKING THAN IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

MM-HMM.

, SO, BUT IT'S JUST BUILT UP MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO IT'S NOT A LOT DIFFERENT FOOTPRINT WISE, ACTUALLY, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FOOTPRINT BECAUSE IT'S JUST BEING BUILT ON TOP OF THE OLD PARKING.

RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UH, COMMISSIONER BRIMER, UH, IT SAYS WHY WE ARE HERE, UH, WHETHER THE, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

WELL, SEVERAL, UH, THIS IS, UH, UNDER WHY WE ARE HERE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED MITIGATION OR MEN ARE DEVELOPMENT OFFSET POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT, WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF REDEVELOPMENT? UM, IN THIS CASE, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS BECAUSE YOU ARE HAVING THE, UH, SAME, IT'S THE SAME.

DEVELOP, THE DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINT HASN'T BEEN INCREASED AT ALL, SO IT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE THE SAME.

SO THERE'S NO, NO IMPACT, NO.

SHOULD NOT BE AN IMPACT.

NO.

OKAY.

UH, YOU MENTIONED THERE INCREASE OF THE TAX ROLES.

IT'S IN THE EJ, SO WHO GETS THE MONEY? I DON'T, THAT WAS, UH, WELL, IT'S NOT THE CITY, I GUESS IS THE POINT.

OH, I, I GUESS NOT.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

WE DON'T GET THE MONEY.

THAT'S THE POINT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, MITIGATION FUND, YOU SAID IT WAS HOW MANY DOLLARS AN ACRE, APPROXIMATELY? I'M NOT ASKING A PENNY, BUT YOU SAID IT WAS WHAT? SURE.

SO IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S $15,000 AN ACRE BEING A 2007 WITH A 7% ANNUAL INTEREST RATE.

AND SO WHEN THE INTEREST RATE, UH, IS EFFECTIVE EVERY OCTOBER, SO THAT IT TAKES YOU TO ABOUT $41,000 IN SOME CHANGE CURRENTLY AND PER

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ACRE OF DEVELOPMENT OR PER ACRE OF THE PROPERTY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

IT'S A COMPLICATED, SORRY.

MIKE MCDOWELL DSD ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, IT'S A COMPLICATED FORMULA.

IT'S BASED ON THE NET SET AREA AND THE AMOUNT OF REDEVELOPMENT.

SO THE, UH, THE WORKSHEET IS, IS SIMILAR AND COMPLEXITY TO A 10, 10 40 TAX FORM.

SO, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK IF, IF THAT NUMBER'S BEEN CALCULATED.

DO WE KNOW THAT NUMBER? NO, IT'S NOT CALCULATED YET.

OKAY.

SO I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT.

SO THE LARGER THE REDEVELOPMENT, THE LARGER THE PER, THE LARGER THE QUANTITY OF ACRES TIMES THE 41,000 WOULD BE, SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING FOR A SCOPE.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I'M GONNA DEPOSIT IN MY BANK ACCOUNT TOMORROW, SO SURE, SURE.

WELL, THE SPREADSHEET SAYS THAT WE TAKE THE TOTAL TREATED AREA WITH NON DEGRADATION CONTROLS, INCLUDING THE TREATMENT AREA AND ACRES, THE TOTAL ACRES OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, TRUTH AND NON-DEVELOPMENT CONTROLS.

AND THEN THE NON DEGRADATION REDUCTION ACREAGE IS THE NUMBER OF ACRES OF NON-DEVELOPMENT AREA DIVIDED BY 0.2 MINUS THE ACRES OF NON-DEVELOPMENT SITE AREA.

AND THERE'S A NONDEGRADATION REDUCTION, THEN THERE'S A FINAL MITIGATION ACREAGE, WHICH IS EQUAL TO OVERALL MITIGATION, MINUS THE NON DEGRADATION REDUCTION WITH A FINAL MITIGATION REQUIRED IN ACRES.

AND THAT'S TIME TO 41,000.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A NUMBER THAT, IT WOULD BE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL APPROXIMATION FOR ME TO GIVE THAT ANSWER.

AND YEAH.

THANK YOU MIKE.

UH, PAMELA AB, IT'S IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUAL, AND IT'S APPENDIX Q4, AND SO YOU CAN GO AND SEE WHAT THE WHOLE SPREADSHEET IS AND, AND THEN WHEN THE PROJECT IS SUBMITTED, OF COURSE THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED WITH THE PROJECT PLAN.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT THEN.

BUT I CAN'T SEE IT NOW TO VOTE ON IT.

NO, NO.

IT'S, I MEAN, I'M ASKING NOW THEY'RE, BECAUSE I WANNA KNOW FOR THE PURPOSE OF VOTING, I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS.

BUT THE, THE ANSWER IS YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

OH, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

BUT I WILL SAY WHAT THEY'RE DOING COMPLIES WITH THE CODE.

THAT'S OKAY.

AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S WHAT YEAH.

WHERE WE'RE HERE TO LOOK AT WHETHER, HOW, HOW IT COMPLIES WITH THE CODE.

SO I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST WAS CURIOUS, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT YOU PURCHASE WITH THE, UH, SOS MONEY PURCHASE EASEMENTS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OWNERSHIP.

CORRECT.

UM, LIZ, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? I, I DON'T, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT QUITE THE EXPERT HERE, BUT CORRECT.

THERE COULD BE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, UM, THAT WOULD PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE LAND WITHOUT CHANGING OWNERSHIP.

SO THE EASEMENTS ARE PERMANENT.

YES.

THEY TRANSFER THE TITLE AND THE PROPERTY RESOLD.

THEY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING PROPERTY.

YEAH.

AND PERPETUITY.

COMMISSIONER COFER MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT.

ACTUALLY, , SORRY, GO AHEAD.

SO IT DOES TRANSLATE, IT'S PERPETUAL.

SO IT TRANSFERS WITH LAND OWNERSHIP.

USUALLY THERE'S CRITICAL NON-DEVELOPMENT ZONES THEY CAN'T DEVELOP ON SLOPES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT CAN'T BE PERSONALIZED MORE THAN A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

THERE'S RESTRICTIONS BASED ON THE AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDOWNER.

THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.

I JUST WANT TO HEAR THEM SAY IT.

OH, OR YOU, IT'LL BE FINE TOO.

I, I JUST WANT TO HEAR SOMEONE LOVE GO ON THE RECORD WITH IT, CUZ THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT WORK.

SO IF IF THERE'S NO, UH, DEGRADATION, THEN WHY ARE THEY PAYING INTO THE SOS FUND? BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT OF 25,826.

OKAY.

RIGHT.

THE, THE IDEA IN WHEN THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION ORDINANCE WAS PASSED WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T A CON NECESSARILY A TOTAL AGREEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS SHOULD BE ALLOWED, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NEW PROJECTS SHOULD MEET CODE.

THIS WAS, UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, WAS VOTED ON TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT, UM, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT CAN BE REDEVELOPED WHILE ENSURING ALSO THAT THE ENTIRE ZONE, UM, HAS A SUFFICIENT WATER QUALITY PROTECTION LANDS AND WATER QUALITY, UM, UH, SUFFICIENT CONSERVATION LAND TO ENSURE THAT THERE ISN'T FURTHER DEGRADATION OR IS MAYBE IMPROVED, UM, UH, WATER QUALITY FOR BARTON SPRINGS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, UH, KIND OF THIS QUESTION'S MORE FOR THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY, BUT SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR, I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF AN UP, UP, DOWN VOTE, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF OUR USUAL, UH, UH, WHEELHOUSE, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, THE RAINWATER HARVESTING AND THE USE OF NATIVE PLANTS AND OR POLLINATOR P PLANTS IN, IN THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT MIGHT HELP PEOPLE BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR

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UP DOWN VOTE? IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHETHER THOSE CONDITIONS THAT, THAT WERE A VARIANCE BEFORE THAT THAT'S BEEN FULFILLED, WHETHER THAT WILL CONTINUE OR THE CONCEPT OF THAT WILL CONTINUE IN THIS NEXT ONE? SURE.

YEAH.

MY NAME IS SIRI SOTH.

I WORK FOR W G I, I AM THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.

UM, SO THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, THE 20 OR 2008 SITE PLAN, UH, THESE WERE ALL CONTINGENCIES THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES.

AND SO THE, UM, THE DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS WERE A REQUIREMENT.

IT WAS, UM, LISTED ON THE COVER SHEET OF THE SITE PLAN AND HAD TO BE A PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECT.

UM, WITH THIS EXPANSION, THE LANDSCAPE AREAS ARE NOT CHANGING AND SO THE COMPLIANCE THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN WILL STILL STAND.

UM, RAINWATER HARVESTING AS MENTIONED, WAS REQUIRED AT THE TIME FOR TWO OF THE BUILDINGS.

ONE OF THE BUILDINGS IN, I THINK 2009, UH, WAS REMOVED FROM THE PROJECT SCOPE, UH, THE SITE POINT CORRECTION.

AND THEN THE ONE THAT EXISTS TODAY DOES HAVE RAINWATER HARVESTING THERE.

UM, RAINWATER HARVESTING THROUGH THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUAL IS A SEPARATE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.

AND SO WITH THIS BUILDING AND THE GARAGE GOING TO THE FULL SED SEDIMENTATION AND FILTRATION POND, UM, RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT A PROPOSED RAINWATER HARVESTING FOR EITHER THE GARAGE OR THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO THE SET FILL POND.

UM, AND THEN, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE, THE THIRD, IF I GOT IT RIGHT OR WRONG, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT POLLINATORS.

IS THAT RIGHT? OR THE, REMEMBER THAT DOES SOUND FAMILIAR, DOESN'T IT? INTEGRATIVE PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, IT WAS THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN.

OH YEAH.

OKAY.

IN THE TOLERANT NATIVE SPECIES.

RIGHT.

SO THE INTEGRATIVE PLANT MANAGEMENT, UM, MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS, UH, PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED WITH THE 2008 SITE PLAN AND IT WAS RECORDED, UM, AND THERE WAS A RECORDATION NUMBER THAT CAN BE PROVIDED AS WELL.

SO THAT PLAN WILL CONTINUE.

DO YOU KNOW, UM, I BELIEVE THAT AROUND LIKE THE OPERATION, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THE DOCUMENT, BUT MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

PERFECT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

OF COURSE.

THANK YOU.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

UM, SO, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, UH, IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT SHE DRAFTED UP A MOTION, I'M GONNA READ THIS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT WEIRD IN THAT I AM ALSO GONNA MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

GO FOR IT, KRUEGER.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, SO THE, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S HAPPENING, SO IT'S UH, A NEW FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST AND A THREE STORY PARKING GARAGE THAT ARE BOTH HAPPENING ON TOP OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY A PARKING LOT.

IS THAT CORRECT, PAMELA? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, WILL THERE BE TIME FOR LIKE INTERNAL DISCUSSION AFTER WE CLOSE? YES.

WE JUST CAN'T, SO ONCE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS OF ANYONE ELSE, BUT WE CAN LIKE, TALK AMONGST OURSELVES AS MUCH AS WE WANT.

OKAY.

I MIGHT JUST ADD JUST ONE, LIKE LINGERING CURIOSITY I HAVE IS STILL KIND OF AN INITIAL QUESTION I ASKED, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION FOR THIS? CUZ I'M CURIOUS IF A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STILL WORKING REMOTELY, UM, LIKE THE, WHETHER OR NOT LIKE, LIKE THERE INHERENTLY IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IN DOING CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND HAVING MORE BUILDINGS WITH LIGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, DURING THE NIGHT AND MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DRINKING WATER, USING THE RESTROOM.

THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

SO I FEEL LIKE I JUST NEED SOME COMPELLING RATIONALE AS TO WHY IS THIS PROJECT NECESSARY? BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY THERE WILL BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT EVEN IF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER DOESN'T CHANGE AND IT IS CODE COMPLIANT.

ANYBODY WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? HI, I'M DAVE HARTMAN.

I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY FOR THE PROJECT, AND I HANDLED, UM, THE PROJECT VARIANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2009.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE INITIAL PROJECT, UM, AND INITIAL SITE PLAN ENVISIONED MORE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAN CURRENTLY IS ON THE GROUND.

UM, BASICALLY WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE PROJECT AND MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, AND WE FELT LIKE THAT WE WERE, HAD THE RIGHTS AND AUTHORITY TO BUILD THIS LAST BUILDING AS A PHASE PROJECT, AND A STAFF DISAGREED WITH THAT, BUT THEY DETERMINED THAT THE, THERE WAS A PATH FORWARD TO PURSUE THE REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTIONS.

SO THAT'S THE

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PROCESS THAT WE CHOSE TO PURSUE, TO DO THIS LAST BUILDING THAT WE FELT LIKE WE HAD THE RIGHT TO DO.

AND AGAIN, REPLACING EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER AND, UM, REPLACING A PARKING LOT WITH A, A, A, A PRODUCTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE BUILDING AND A PARKING GARAGE.

SO I'M HEARING IT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL PLAN, AND SO THAT'S THE MOTIVATION IS JUST TO, TO EXECUTE A PLAN THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE.

THAT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND BY BRAMER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND SEEING EVERYBODY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, NOW I HAVE A, A DRAFT MOTION, UM, AND, UH, WE CAN HEAR IT.

IF IT GETS A SECOND, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND, AND GO FROM THERE.

BUT THIS ONE'S KIND OF LIKE A SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST, IN MY OPINION.

IT'S KIND OF AN UP DOWN VOTE.

UM, SO, UH, MAY 17TH, 2023 ON, UH, THE SUBJECT TEXAS RESEARCH INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION S P 20 19 0 3 8 3 D, UM, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 92 25 FM 2244, AUSTIN, TEXAS 78,733.

UH, WHEREAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOGNIZES THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REDEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION REQUEST IN THE BARTON SPRING ZONE PER 25,826.

AND WHEREAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOGNIZES THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE BARTON CREEK WATERSHED, BARTON SPRING ZONE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE, AND WHEREAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOGNIZES THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE DEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION WITH NO CONDITIONS, THEREFORE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THIS REQUEST.

SECOND.

OKAY.

WE GOT A SECOND.

.

ANY DISCUSSION FROM YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME, YEAH, I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ALONG WITH I GUESS ECHOING, UH, COMMISSIONER KRUEGER.

UH, I FEEL DISAPPOINTED THIS IS AN UP OR DOWN VOTE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME REASONABLE REQUESTS THAT IF THIS WERE NOT AN UP OR DOWN VOTE, IF WE COULD PUT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE THAT I THINK WERE FAIRLY MODEST, THAT IT WOULD BE EASY FOR ME TO VOTE FOR IT.

BUT WHEN I'M FORCED INTO A CORNER TO SAY YES OR NO, THEN I'M FORCED TO VOTE IN A WAY THAT I'M KIND OF FORCED IN A CORNER TO VOTE.

BUT SINCE WE'RE ONLY GOING UP OR DOWN, THEN THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY IT GOES.

YEAH, YEAH.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF FORCED TO VOTE ON WHAT, WHAT'S PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU INSTEAD OF RIGHT.

AN ADDITIONALS OF CONDITIONS.

IF, IF I HAD THE ABILITY TO MAKE REASONABLE RECOMMENDATIONS TO DO THAT, THEN I WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT.

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE, OUR HANDS ARE TIED BY THE NATURE OF THE BEAST THAN MY INCLINATION IS TO SAY NO UNDER UNDERSTANDABLE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I MEAN, IN GENERAL, I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE LEANING TOWARDS VOTING YES.

AND WHY? UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE I HAVE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND YES, RESERVATIONS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ANTI-BUSINESS, I'M NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WANT US TO BUILD WITH PURPOSE AND INTENTION, AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING A REALLY BIG RATIONALE FOR WHY THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WHY THIS IS BENEFICIAL EITHER TO THE COMPANY OR TO THE PEOPLE OF AUSTIN OR TO THE ENVIRONMENT.

LIKE, I'M JUST, I'M NOT HEARING THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE BUILDING DENSELY WITHIN, YOU KNOW, URBAN AREAS THAT ARE WALKABLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND THIS IS IN THE E T J, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO BE DRIVING THEIR CARS TO AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT GO TO WHERE THE LIGHTS ARE ON ALL NIGHT.

AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF LIKE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT LARGE WILL BE HUGE IN A CRITICAL AREA.

UM, AND SO IT IS DISAPPOINTING THAT THIS IS AN UP OR DOWN YES OR NO VOTE, BUT I, I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR RESPONSES FROM OTHERS HERE, IF ANY OF THAT RESONATES WITH YOU ALL OR, OR WHAT YOUR THINKING IS.

UM, SHERA COMMISSIONER DISTRICT FOUR, I WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE

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IT MEETS THE CODE, I AM RELYING HEAVILY UPON THAT AND I THINK THAT IT MIGHT EVEN BE A LEGAL MATTER TO, YOU KNOW, IF IT MEETS THE CODE, THEN IT, THEN IT MEETS THE CODE AND, AND THAT COULD BE A LEGAL ISSUE DOWN THE LINE IF IT EVENTUALLY IT DIDN'T PASS.

I DON'T SEE A REASON TO STOP THAT AT THIS MOMENT.

GO FOR IT, SIMON.

YEAH, WELL, I'LL JUST POINT OUT AGAIN THAT, UM, THEY ARE PAYING INTO THE MITIGATION FEE AND THE FACT THAT, UM, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVER AND IT MEETS CODE, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRETTY NEUTRAL ON ITS FACE.

I MEAN, I AGREE THAT I DON'T LIKE TO SEE DEVELOPMENT OUT ON BE CAVES ROAD OUT THAT FAR, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN HAVING AN EMPTY PARKING LOT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD FOR ANYBODY.

RIGHT.

AND JUST TO, UH, JUST TO ECHO, UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S, UH, COMMENTS REGARDING THE, UH, THE, I GUESS NEUTRALITY WITH RESPECT TO IMPERVIOUS COVER.

I MEAN, BUSINESSES DON'T GENERALLY MAKE HUGE INVESTMENTS LIKE THIS UNLESS THEY ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S A REASON THAT OR DEMAND THAT THERE'S, THEY'RE GONNA BE SERVING.

SO I IMAGINE THEY'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THIS AND PLANNED THROUGH THIS FOR DECADES ACCORDING TO THEM.

SO THAT'S, I ASSUME THAT'S WHY THEY FEEL IT'S NECESSARY.

I'LL ADD ONE NOTE JUST, AND SORT OF, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF BEFORE, BUT WHEN THE APPLICANT WAS SPEAKING THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PEOPLE FROM AUSTIN THAT ARE GOING OUT INTO THIS AREA TO GO TO WORK.

IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY PEOPLE, CAUSE I'M PRO DENSITY AS WELL, BUT THAT ARE ALREADY LIVING OUT IN B CAPE OR LAKEWAY THAT ARE NOW NOT HAVING TO DRIVE ANOTHER 45 MINUTES THROUGH TRAFFIC TO BE GETTING TO AN OFFICE.

I WOULD JUST ADD ONE THING, UH, OR ONE OF THE, I MEAN, STAFF WORKS REAL HARD ON THIS AND I I DEFINITELY PERSONALLY LOOK TO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND, AND, AND THEIR KIND OF VETTING OF THE PROCESS, BOTH FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT SAID AND FROM STAFF.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF WORKING THIS PROCESS FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

SO WHEN I'M KIND OF HEARING OR VOTING, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT AND LEAN ON IS WHAT, WHAT STAFF'S, UM, OPINION ON THE MATTER IS AND, AND, AND IN ANY CONDITIONS OR, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS THAT THEY THINK WOULD KIND OF BALANCE THAT SCALE.

YEAH, I'LL ADD MY PERSONAL OPINION, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ASKS OR CARES, BUT IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT MYSELF, YOU KNOW? UM, I CERTAINLY SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I AGREE THAT, UH, MENTAL IMPACT FROM CONSTRUCTION, HOWEVER, UH, IT IS JUST AN EMPTY PARKING LOT.

AT THE SAME TIME TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, THERE'S CURRENTLY A GLUT OF COMMERCIAL, UH, SPACE AVAILABLE IN THE AUSTIN METRO.

UM, AND THE LAKEWAY PEOPLE SHOULD SUFFER.

NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, UM, I SEE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IDEALLY IT DOESN'T TURN INTO LIKE A BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE ARE POURING LIKE COOKING OIL OFF THE, UH, THE ROOF OF IT, RIGHT? SO I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY A HOPE THAT, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING IS DONE IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, RESPECTFUL WAY, ALTHOUGH THIS IS TEXAS, SO IT SOUNDS VERY CRAZY SAYING THAT.

UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO DO YOU TRUST THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT LONG-TERM BENEFITS THE ENVIRONMENT OR NOT? AND I THINK REALLY IT'S KIND OF A COIN FLIP.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR IN FOR SHARING YOUR IDEAS.

THAT WAS HELPFUL.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, GUYS? ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE.

UH, LET'S TRY TO DO THIS BY SHOW OF HANDS.

WAS THERE A SECOND? YES.

YEAH, IT WAS SECONDED BY INSURER.

YEAH.

UM, BY SHOW OF HANDS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, UH, WHICH IS TO RECOMMEND, UH, THE REQUEST.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

DO I SEE SIX ELIZABETH? OKAY.

UM, ALL THOSE OPPOSED KRUEGER AND BREER, ALL THOSE ABSTAINING AND SCOTT ABSTAINS.

SO IF I READ THAT RIGHT, THE MOTION PASSES SIX THREE OR 6 21, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU STAFF.

THANK YOU APPLICANT.

UM, MOVING ON.

UH, NEXT

[3. Discuss membership of the Joint Sustainability Committee (5 minutes)]

ITEM IS, UH, NUMBER THREE.

DISCUSS, DISCUSS MEMBERSHIP OF THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE.

UM, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE YOU DO.

YOU DO, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.

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UH, WALK ME THROUGH THE ACTION HERE, ELIZABETH, PLEASE.

UH, ELIZABETH FUNK WATERSHED.

YEAH, WE JUST, WE DID COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS BEFORE.

I MISUNDERSTOOD THE WAY TERMS WORK, AND SO NOW WE NEED TO NOMINATE SOMEBODY.

I THINK THE CURRENT PERSON STILL WANTS TO DO IT, SO YEAH.

.

KREK, DO YOU STILL WANT TO SERVE IN BRIER? DO YOU STILL WANT TO BE THE ALTERNATE? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

I, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP KREK AS THE PRIMARY AND PRIMER AS THE ALTERNATE.

SECOND.

SECOND BY SCOTT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

ALL, ALL .

WE GOT UNANIMOUS.

UH, ALRIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

I THINK WE'RE, WE, WE, WE SAVED SOME OF OUR FIVE MINUTES THERE.

WE WANT TO BANK THOSE FOR LATER ITEMS, PLEASE.

UH, UM, ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO

[4. Election of the Environmental Commission Vice Chair for May 1, 2023 through April 30, 2024 term (10 minutes)]

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ELECTION OF ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

VICE CHAIR ON MAY 1ST, I'M GOING TO PUSH THIS TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM OR THE NEXT AGENDA.

NEXT MEETING IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR.

UM, I'VE GOTTEN WORD THAT, UH, OUR GOOD FRIEND, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, PERRY WILL BE COMING BACK, UM, PENDING HO UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL TOMORROW, I BELIEVE.

UH, SO, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST, WE, WE ELECTED HIM TO BE THE VICE CHAIR.

I SAY WE, UH, JUST WAIT FOR HIM TO, TO SHOW UP.

UM, AND, AND RE RE WE RE REVOTE HIM IN, I GUESS WOULD BE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

IS THAT CORRECT, ELIZABETH? OKAY.

I'LL, I'LL SECOND.

OKAY.

THE POSTPONEMENT.

OKAY.

POSTPONEMENT SECONDED BY SULLIVAN.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? UNANIMOUS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, TAKE EIGHT OF THOSE MINUTES AS WELL.

UH, NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSSION

[5. Discussion and recommendation of Austin Water Capital Improvement Projects located in the Drinking Water Protection Zone for approval to include in the 5-year Capital spending plan as required by Financial Policy #8 – Aurora Pizano, Financial Manager II, Austin Water (30 minutes)]

AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AUSTIN WATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE FOR APPROVAL TO INCLUDE THE, IN THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL SPENDING PLAN AS REQUIRED BY FINANCIAL POLICY NUMBER EIGHT.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A VIRTUAL PRESENTATION, SO WE'RE READY FOR YOU, MS. BEANO, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

AND IF YOU'RE TALKING NOW, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU YET.

GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

YEP, THAT'S PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

GREAT.

UM, SO MY NAME IS LAURA PANO, FINANCIAL MANAGER FOR CITY OF AUSTIN IN THE AUSTIN WATER DEPARTMENT.

I DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT THERE IS A MEMO, A FIVE PAGE MEMO THAT WAS POSTED WITH US, UM, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, UH, FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

AND, UM, I JUST WANNA EXPLAIN THAT EACH YEAR AS PART OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN BUDGET APPROVAL PROCESS, AUSTIN WATER SUBMITS A PLAN FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM SPENDING FOR THE UPCOMING FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

UH, THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD IS FISCAL YEAR 24 TO 28.

AND UM, IN THE MEMO WE INCLUDED A SUBSET OF C I P PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE.

THESE PROJECTS REPRESENT IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED TO MEET AUSTIN WATER OPERATIONS STANDARDS AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.

AND WE DID INCLUDE A TABLE, UM, OUT OUTLINE OUTLINING, UH, EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS.

SO THERE ARE 11 PROJECTS LISTED ON THE NEXT PAGE, AS WELL AS A MAP OF THOSE, UH, SAFETY PROJECTS.

SO IN COMPLIANCE WITH AUSTIN WATER'S FINANCIAL POLICY NUMBER EIGHT, UM, WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU REVIEW AND PROVIDE ANY INPUT, UH, SPECIFIC TO THOSE PROJECTS.

AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO SEE IF YOU, IF ANYONE HAS ANY PROJECT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS FINANCIAL POLICY.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

UH, ELIZABETH, IT, WALK ME THROUGH THIS, BUT IS THERE, THERE ISN'T A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS OR A STAFF REVIEW OF THAT, OR LIZ, IF, IF YOU WANNA, UH, N NO.

OKAY.

THERE IS NO WATERSHED INVOLVEMENT IN THIS EFFORT.

UM, OF COURSE, PROJECTS AS THEY COME IN ARE REQUIRED TO MEET CODE AND SO WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH THEM, UM, ON EACH SPECIFIC PROJECT AS THEY COME THROUGH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL START, WE'LL START FROM BROMMER AND GO THE OTHER WAY TO GIVE KREK A BREAK.

SO YOU, YOU GET TO START BRUMER.

OKAY.

I, I APOLOGIZE FOR STEALING HIS THUNDER.

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I UNTIL HE IS WAITING BREATH.

HE HATES IT WHEN YOU DO THAT, BUT YES.

YES, I UNDERSTAND.

UH, WHEN WAS THIS PUT,