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ON,

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UM, WELCOME TO

[CALL TO ORDER]

THE JULY 10TH, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING.

WE HAVE QUORUM.

WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS ONLINE.

IF I COULD HAVE OUR COMMISSIONERS ONLINE, PLEASE TURN THEIR CAMERAS ON, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, JUST A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS, UM, ON OUR AGENDA, UM, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED.

UM, ITEM TWO, STAFF BRIEFINGS AND ITEM THREE, UNDER DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS. THOSE AREN'T ITEMS WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE DISCUSSING UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING FROM OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS THERE FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY SO THAT WE CAN POST SOME THINGS TO BACK UP.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING FOR COMMISSIONERS IS I WANNA URGE EVERYONE TO PLEASE, UM, LOG ONTO THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSION'S EMAIL.

UM, THERE'S SOME NEW PROTOCOLS IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN RESET OUR OWN PASSWORDS SO THAT IF YOUR PASSWORD DISAPPEARS, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND RESET IT OURSELVES INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CALL THE HELP DESK.

UM, OUR LIAISON WILL NO LONGER BE SENDING EMAILS TO PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES AS A BACKUP.

WE WILL ONLY BE USING OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS EMAILS, SO THAT'LL, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, I WILL CALL ROLL, UM, COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER HOLMES.

I'M HERE.

COMMISSIONER KIKO.

COMMISSIONER HALL.

MARTIN.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER NGUYEN.

COMMISSIONER OR HERE? COMMISSIONER PENA.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER RUTAN.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH HERE.

AND I'M ALSO HERE AS WELL, MARKING AS PRESENT.

UM, OKAY.

AND WITH THAT,

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, I BELIEVE.

FIRST OFF, WE HAVE MR. CARLOS DELEONE.

SO CARLOS LEON, FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AGAINST SICKO SATANIC BEHAVIOR, THREATENING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

JULY 7TH, 1138 TO 11:48 AM AT THE 3 45 BUS STOP AT 45TH.

AND BURNETT, AN OLDER HISPANIC MAN, WALKED AT ME, STOOD TOO CLOSE TO ME, AND SAID HIS NAME WAS PEPE, AND THAT HIS WIFE ACROSS THE STREET WAS A BUS DRIVER FOR 24 YEARS, SHE APPEARED TO BE CAT METRO OPERATOR, 3 0 1 0 9 0, WHO HAS REPEATEDLY TARGETED ME THE PAST SIX MONTHS WITH HER ABUSIVE, ATTACKING BEHAVIOR, TRYING TO STARE ME DOWN, STOPPING IN THE WRONG PLACE TO DENY ME MY BOARDING OR DESTINATION, STOP RUNNING LATE AND TRYING TO MAKE ME ANSWER HER UNNECESSARY QUESTIONS TO REPEAT MYSELF, TO TRY MAKING ME WAIT ON ACCOMMODATE AND SERVE HER.

THOUGH SHE, THE DRIVER, IS LEGALLY BOUND TO WAIT ON, ACCOMMODATE AND SERVE ME THE PASSENGER, BECAUSE SHE'S A PUBLIC SERVANT PER TEXAS.

PENAL CODE 1 0 7 A 41 A, BECAUSE I RIGHTLY STOOD MY GROUND FILING 20 COMPLAINTS AGAINST HER, SHE WRONGLY TRIED, PROJECTING HER GUILT ONTO ME TO VILIFY AND PUNISH ME FOR HER EVIL.

AFTER HER EFFORTS FAILED, HUSBAND PEPE CAME AT ME.

HE ACCUSED ME OF CUSSING AT HER, IMPLIED HOW I PRESENT MYSELF, CAUSED HER BAD BEHAVIOR, AND PRAISED HOW GOOD SHE IS TO HIM AND OTHERS TO TRY ISOLATING AND BLAMING ME, THE TARGETED INDIVIDUAL.

THEN HE TOLD ME, I KNOW WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE NOW.

I TOLD HIM, DON'T TRY THREATENING ME.

HE SAID HE CAN INVOLVE A P D.

I TOLD HIM TO GO AHEAD, THEN MY BUS ARRIVED, SO I LEFT STILL.

PEP ISZ LIP WAS QUIVERING, NOT IN FEAR, BUT RAGE, BELIEVING HE WAS DEFENDING HER FROM ME, THOUGH I AM DEFENDING MYSELF FROM THEM, SINCE THEIR BAD BEHAVIOR CROSSED MANY LINES.

I TRIED DOCUMENTING IT WITH KAT METRO AND FILED AN INCIDENT REPORT AGAINST THEM WITH A P D ONLINE BACKUP MATERIAL FOR THIS MEETING.

GIVE AN INCH TO AN ABUSIVE TROLL AND THEY'LL TAKE A MILE.

YET, I AM PEACEFUL UNTIL PROVOKED.

LIKE I TOLD PEPE, I DON'T MESS WITH DRIVERS, BUT I DON'T TAKE MESS FROM THEM EITHER.

EVIDENCE BY MY VISIBLE FURY IN WRITTEN COMPLAINTS AND ON BUS, AUDIO AND VIDEO, RIGHTLY YELLING AT GUILTY DRIVERS TRYING TO DISRESPECT, BULLY, OR UNLAWFULLY RESTRAIN ME

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BECAUSE THEY MISINTERPRET ANYTHING LESS AS WEAKNESS, LIKE DEALING WITH CHILD TRAFFICKING AND PEDOPHILE NETWORKS IN THAT NEW MOVIE.

SOUND OF FREEDOM.

THEY DON'T STOP UNTIL THEY ARE STOPPED.

PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION FOLLOW UP WITH KAT METRO TO STOP THIS ON THEIR END.

A P D FOLLOW UP WITH PEP AND HIS WIFE TO STOP THIS ON THEIRS.

MAY GOD GRANT US THE VICTORY OVER THIS EVIL.

IN JESUS' NAME I PRAY.

AMEN.

THANKS COMMISSION.

THANK YOU MR. DE LEON.

UM, OKAY.

AND WITH THAT, UM, WE ARE GONNA BE TAKING SOME MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WE'LL BE TAKING THAT ALONGSIDE THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEMS AS THEY COME UP.

UM, NEXT

[1. Approve the minutes of the PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION REGULAR CALLED MEETING on June 5, 2023 and SPECIAL CALLED MEETING on May 15, 2023.]

UP WILL BE OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UM, SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN COPIES OF BOTH JUNE 5TH AND MAY 15TH MINUTES.

CAN I GET A MOTION FROM THE FLOOR TO A SECOND FROM THE FLOOR TO REVIEW OUR, OUR MINUTES, PLEASE? I SECOND.

THANK YOU.

I I HAVE A, I HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

I'M SORRY.

A TEAM, UM, UNDER THE LIST OF ATTENDEES, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOLLOWING, UH, THE RULES OF ORDER.

UM, BUT I DON'T SEE MY NAME AS, UH, ONE OF THE ATTENDEES FOR, UH, THE LAST, SO, UM, I DEFINITELY WANNA VOTE IN FAVOR WITH THE MODIFICATION.

OKAY.

SO JUNE 5TH, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'LL GET YOU ADDED TO THE JUNE 5TH.

THAT'S A CORRECTION.

DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS, CHANGES? OKAY, WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA ADD ANN SMITH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, I THINK I REMEMBER THAT YOU JOINED US UNEXPECTEDLY FOR THE LAST MEETING, SO THAT'S GREAT.

UM, AND THEN, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE MINUTES WITH THAT.

UM, CAN WE, COMMISSIONER RUTAN APPROVE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HALL.

HALL MARTIN APPROVE COMMISSIONER APPROVE.

COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, UM, APPROVE AS TO MAY 15TH AND ABSTAIN ON JUNE 5TH.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER PENA APPROVE.

COMMISSIONER HOLMES APPROVE.

AND COMMISSIONER SMITH APPROVED.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

CHAIR WAS, WAS THAT FOR THE MAY 15 MINUTES? I THINK WE TOOK A VOTE FOR BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT ABSTAINING ON THE MAY.

UH, ON THE JUNE 5TH.

JUNE 5TH, WE, WE VOTED ON BOTH.

OKAY.

SORRY, RULE OF ORDER THEN I NEED TO, UM, ABSTAIN FROM THE MAY CAUSE I WASN'T ACTUALLY AT THE MAY.

I WAS AT THE JUNE SAM OPPOSITE OF, OKAY, SO THAT WAS COMMISSIONER HALL MARTIN, THAT GAVE OUR SECOND GAVE, THANK YOU.

THE SECOND.

AND COMMISSIONER SMITH WILL BE ABSTAINING ON THE MAY 15TH VOTE.

UNDERSTOOD.

I STILL THINK WE HAVE SIX TOTAL FOR EACH.

WE DO.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THE STAFF BRIEFINGS ARE HERE SO THAT WE CAN ADD BACKUP MATERIALS TO FOLLOW TO, UM, TO RESPONSES TO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

THOSE HAVE BEEN POSTED TO THE BACKUP, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE.

UM, AND THEN ITEM THREE AGAIN IS ALSO JUST ADDED FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY, SO WE CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL BACKUP MATERIALS POSTED TO THE RECORD WITH REGARDS TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE

[4. Public Safety Quarterly Report – Austin Police Department ]

ON TO PUBLIC SAFETY QUARTERLY REPORT FROM A P D CHAIR.

WE HAVE THE SPEAKER, MR. LEON IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM FOUR.

DO YOU WANT HIM? YES.

TO COME FORWARD NOW.

COMMISSIONER LEON, YOU CAN, I MEAN, SORRY, MR. LIT.

LEON, YOU CAN COME UP AND GIVE YOUR PEOPLE A COMMENT, MAYBE SOMEDAY.

COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU, SIR.

THIS IS NOT SO CARLOS LEON,

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FIRST AND FOREMOST, GRACIAS FOR LETTING ME EXPOSE CAT METRO PROBLEMS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING APDS PUBLIC SAFETY REPORT.

THE WHY I'M SPEAKING BEFORE APDS REPORT IS SHOWN AND DISCUSSED.

I KNOW CAT METRO'S UNNECESSARY CALLS AND BROKEN ONLINE CUSTOMER COMMENT FORM EXACERBATE, UNDERSTAFFED A P D WORKLOAD AND LONGER RESPONSE TIMES AGAIN AND AGAIN.

KAT METRO WRONGLY CALLS A P D ON ME FOR RIGHTLY NOT ALLOWING A PUBLIC SERVANT BUS DRIVER OR SUPERVISOR TO VIOLATE MY CIVIL RIGHTS.

TYPICALLY, A BLACK FEMALE DRIVER TRIES TO WRONGLY FEMINIST FLIRT WITH ME BY TRYING TO CONFUSE AND CONTROL ME TO EFFEMINATE AND EMASCULATE ME BY TRYING TO MAKE ME MOVE MY GEAR AND OR SIT WHERE SHE WANTS INSTEAD OF WHERE I LAWFULLY CHOOSE.

WHEN I RIGHTLY REFUSE TO NOT ACCOMMODATE OR SERVE HER TO NOT ALLOW HER TO BULLY ME, SHE WRONGLY CALLS SECURITY CLAIMING SHE FEELS UNSAFE AROUND ME AND OR THREATENED BY ME RESULTING IN A P D QUICKLY RESPONDING, EXPECTING THE WORST YET ARRIVING OFFICERS SEE ME PEACEFULLY BY MY GEAR AWAY FROM THE DRIVER.

AS SOON AS I SHOW AND EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED, THEY DEFERRED TO A CAT METRO SUPERVISOR TO LEAVE ASAP TO RESPOND TO REAL CALLS.

STILL THOSE TIME-WASTING CALLS SLOW A P D RESPONSE TO THOSE IN REAL NEED.

AND NOW KAT METRO IS STOPPING ME FROM DOCUMENTING THIS PROBLEM WITH THEM.

WITHIN SECONDS OF FILING A COMPLAINT, KAT METRO'S AUTOMATED ONLINE CUSTOMER COMMENT SYSTEM NORMALLY SENDS BACK AN EMAIL WITH A CCR NUMBER SHOWING CAT METRO RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT AND PROVIDING AN IDENTIFYING REFERENCE FOR THE ELECTRONIC PAPER TRAIL.

HOWEVER, SINCE JULY 6TH, THOSE RETURN EMAILS SUDDENLY STOPPED.

MEANING NOW THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE CAT METRO RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT AND NO CCR NUMBER FOR IT.

IMPLYING CAT METRO JUST ISN'T HEARING IT ANYMORE, DESPITE ME CALLING OUT THIS PROBLEM TO THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE BY EMAIL AND TO THEIR SECURITY THROUGH THEIR PORTAL AND PROBLEMS REQUIRING A P D ATTENTION LIKE CAT METRO OPERATOR 3 0 1 0 9 ZEROS HARASSMENT AGAINST ME ON THE BUS AND HER ALLEGED HUSBAND PEPPI HARASSMENT AGAINST ME OFF THE BUS ARE APPARENTLY NOT BEING OFFICIALLY RECORDED, MUCH LESS ADDRESSED THIS UNACCEPTABLE UPSIDE DOWN ASS BACKWARD INSANITY MUST BE MADE RIGHT SIDE UP FORWARD ASAP.

THEREFORE, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION FOLLOW UP WITH CAP METRO ASAP TO FIX THEIR ONLINE CUSTOMER COMMENT SYSTEM.

SO IT AGAIN, SENDS OUT THE RETURN EMAIL WITH THE CCR NUMBER UPON RECEIPT OF A COMPLAINT.

AND A P D TELL KAT METRO TO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND RESOURCES WITH B******T.

MAY GOD GRANT US THE VICTORY OVER EVIL.

IN JESUS NAME I PRAY.

AMEN.

THANK YOU COMMISSION.

WE COULD HAVE APD COME UP FOR QUARTERLY REPORT, CHIEF MASON AND IS, UM, DR.

IS IS, UM, JONATHAN K CREN JOINING US AS WELL.

HE'S, HE'S VIRTUALLY ATTENDING.

OKAY.

HE SHOULD BE ONLINE NOW.

GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

UH, MY NAME IS JAMES MASON.

I'M ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CHIEFS OF THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UH, CHIEF ROBIN HENDERSON IS OUT TODAY, SO I'LL BE FILLING IN FOR HER FOR THE COURTLY REPORT AS WELL AS THE DPS REPORT.

UM, IF WE GO TO, UH, SLIDE ONE, OUR NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OH, OKAY.

UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THEY, WE'VE HAD SOME STAFF STAFFING, UH, CHALLENGES WITHIN DR.

ING'S GROUP.

UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE DID LOSE A MEMBER OF HIS TEAM, UH, SADLY SO, UH, THEY WERE GENEROUS AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS REPORT TO US.

SO IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO UNFORTUNATELY FIND SOMEONE TO FILL HIS ROLE.

SO, UH, BUT, UH, TODAY WE DO HAVE THIS REPORT FOR YOU.

SO, UH, IF WE LOOK AT THE, THE VERY FIRST LIE, WHICH IS THE CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS, UM, WE ARE DOWN, UH, 12%.

UH, MOST ALL OF THE, UH, MAJOR CRIMES ARE, ARE DOWN OR IN THE NEGATIVE.

UH, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, DR.

CREN GROUP AS WELL AS THE CHIEF, HAVE LOOKED AT THIS MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS WITH THE DATA.

AND THIS WAS THE, UH, Q3 WHEN, UH, DPS WAS HERE.

SO, UH, AS, UH, DR.

CREN REPORTED LAST TIME, THE NUMBERS WERE, WERE DOWN.

AND IT DEFINITELY REFLECTS ALSO IN THE, IN THE, IN THE RAW NUMBERS THEMSELVES OF, OF THE CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS.

SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, IF, IF WE MOVE ON TO, UH, CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY, UH, HERE AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY A FEW REDS, BUT ALSO, UH, DEFINITELY A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE, UH, CRIME AS, AS REPORTED, UH, THAT IS ALSO DOWN.

UM, JUST A COUPLE OF UPTICKS, BUT OF COURSE, SMALL NUMBERS RESULT

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IN BIG CHANGES, UH, PERCENTAGE WISE.

UM, SO CRIMES AGAINST PERSON, CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY IS, IS ALSO DOWN.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, CRIMES AGAINST CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, UH, THIS IS MOSTLY ALL YOUR DRUG, UH, DRUG VIOLATIONS AS WELL AS GAMBLING AND STUFF.

UH, THOSE REPORT PERCENTAGES ARE, ARE IN, IN THE UP.

UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ARRESTS, WHICH I'LL, I'LL SHOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES WHERE THE DETECTIVES, I'VE CLEARED SEVERAL OF THE CASES.

UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF THE DRUG VIOLATIONS, UH, PORNOGRAPHY, GAMBLING, ET CETERA, PROSTITUTION, CRIMES AGAINST ACTUAL PERSONS OR SOCIETY, UH, IS, IS IN THE, UH, UH, THE NUMBERS THAT ARE REPORTED.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, THE NEXT THREE SLIDES GO OVER THE, UH, CLEARANCE RATES THAT DETECTIVES ARE USING.

I DON'T THINK THESE ARE NORMALLY, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK THESE ARE NORMALLY, UH, IN THIS REPORT, UH, BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT 'EM BRIEFLY.

UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT THE DETECTIVES ARE WORKING AND THEY'RE CLEARING WITH WITHIN EACH QUARTER, UH, AND IT DOES GO THROUGH THE NEXT SLIDES OF PRIME, UH, LIKE THE LAST FEW SLIDES OF PROPERTY SOCIETY AS WELL AS PERSONS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN THOUGH THE DETECTIVES ARE, UH, HAVING TO FILL IN FOR BACKFILL ON OUR EVENING SHIFTS, UH, THAT THEY'RE ALSO BUSY WORKING THEIR CASELOAD, UH, SOME CASELOADS ARE DEFINITELY, UM, DELAYED BECAUSE OF THE TIMES THAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND OUT THERE ON PATROL TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUT AND BACK UP, UH, OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE IN NEED ON THE EVENING SHIFTS.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL WORKING THEIR CASES ON A REGULAR BASIS, UH, UH, BUT THEY'RE COMING IN, UH, ON THEIR ADDITIONAL HOURS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THIS CASELOAD.

BUT OF COURSE, IT'S A STRUGGLING ACT FOR THEM, AND SOMETIMES THEY JUST, IT JUST GETS AHEAD OF THEM.

SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE.

AND THEN THIS GOES OVER THE CLEARANCE RATE, UH, 443 OUT OF 4 44, UH, CLEARANCE RATES AGAINST PROPERTY.

AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT GOES OVER, OVER THE, UH, CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY AND 583 OUTTA 583.

UH, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE GO ONTO THE, UH, RESPONSE TIMES AND CALL VOLUMES.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE OVER THE CITY IS 10 MINUTES AND 44 SECONDS FOR OUR P ZERO AND P ONE CALLS, WHICH ARE OUR EMERGENCY AND URGENT CALLS.

UM, AND THEN THAT SHOWS, UH, APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE, 10 58, 11 49, AND 1110.

AND OUR CALL VOLUME IS, UH, RANGING FROM RIGHT AROUND 7,000, 7,000 TO, UH, ALMOST, UH, 7,800 HUNDRED CALLS, UM, PER EACH MONTH THAT COME INTO 9 1 1.

NEXT CALL, PLEASE.

UH, SO THIS ACTUALLY BREAKS IT DOWN INTO DISTRICTS.

UH, WE THINK OF IN, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICTS, WE THINK OF IN DISTRICTS AMONGST THE CITY.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, BUT EACH ONE OF THESE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR AREAS, UH, OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT YOU REPRESENT.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOWEST TIMES, WHICH IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT, THREE OF EIGHT MINUTES FOR PARTY ZERO, UH, TO, UH, THE HIGHEST, WHICH IS IN, UH, WHICH IS, UH, SOUTHEAST AUSTIN IS, UH, OUR PARTY ZERO IS 1124.

UH, BUT EACH ONE OF THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS IS BROKEN DOWN INTO HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES FOR OFFICERS, UH, ONCE THEY GET THE CALL TO BE ABLE TO GET ON SCENE.

AND LIKE I SAID, THAT RANGES FROM ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT MINUTES TO, UH, 1124.

AND THAT'S REPRESENTED FROM THE LAST SLIDE OF THE AVERAGE WAS 10 44.

UH, RESPONSE TIME FOR P ZEROS V ONE S.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER OF CALLS, THE P ZEROS, P ONE S, UH, VOLUME BY MONTH FOR Q3 OF 2 0 23, UM, THE BLUE REPRESENTS THE URGENT CALLS AND THE GRAYISH REPRESENTS THE P ZERO CALLS.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, ON AVERAGE, IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE, IT'S AROUND 3000 FOR THE P ZERO CALLS THAT WE RECEIVE EVERY MONTH, AS WELL AS UP TO 4,700 FOR THE, UH, P ONE CALLS.

UH, THAT'S RE THAT, THAT IS RECEIVED EVERY MONTH.

NEXT SLIDE.

UH, SO THIS REPRESENTS OUR Q3, UM, OUR BUDGETED OVERTIME THROUGH, UH, SIX 17 OF 2023.

AND THIS IS OUR OVERTIME VERSUS ACTUAL OVERTIME.

OUR, OUR BUDGET OVERTIME IS, UH, 7.7 MILLION.

AND RIGHT NOW, UM, AS YOU KNOW, OUR OVERTIME, WE'VE, WE WERE HAVING TO, SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE DOWN, UH, OVER 300 OFFICERS, WE'RE HAVING TO BACKFILL OFFICERS ON NIGHT SHIFT, UH, BY USING OVERTIME.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN COSTLY, OF COURSE.

UM, AND RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR OVERTIME BUDGET FOR IS AT, AT 28 MILLION.

BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU LOOK AT OUR OVERALL PERSONAL BUDGET'S 338 MILLION, BUT WE ARE AT 256.

SO RIGHT NOW, UH, AS OF SIX 17, WE'RE 76% SPENT

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IN, IN, IN OUR BUDGET.

SO WE'RE STILL UNDER BUDGET, BUT OUR OVERTIME IS, IS OVER BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE HAVING TO BACKFILL ALL THE, UH, PATROL SHIFTS THAT WE'RE VACANT ON.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, AND THIS KINDA LISTED OUT, UH, BY YEAR, UH, BACK FROM 1617 ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CURRENT YEAR.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT LAST YEAR, UH, WE WERE BUDGETED FOR 5.8 MILLION, AND WE ACTUALLY SPENT 22, UH, MILLION.

AND THEN THIS YEAR, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT, UH, WITH A JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE UNDER 8 MILLION BUDGET.

WE'RE AT 28 MILLION.

SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, IF WE LOOK AT OUR STAFFING LEVELS, OUR STAFFING LEVELS, WE ARE STAFFED FOR 1812.

UH, WE, WE HAVE FILLED 1496, AND WE HAVE AN OPERATIONAL VACANCIES OF 329, RIGHT, AS OF RIGHT NOW.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, IF YOU LOOK ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE, WE HAVE 552 FILLED.

UH, THIS INCLUDES 53 CADETS AND 90 TEMPS.

UH, AND WE HAVE A VACANCY OF 197.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT MOST OF THOSE 197 ARE WITHIN OUR, UH, NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE 47 PEOPLE DOWN ON OUR 9 1 1 SIDE, AND WE'RE, UH, 16 PEOPLE DOWN ON OUR DISPATCH SIDE.

SO MOST OF THOSE ARE, ARE ON OUR, OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER, AND THAT'S REPRESENTED ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE SHOWS, UH, WHERE, WHERE CURRENTLY WE'RE AT.

UM, IT IS TAKING SOME TIME, AND I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER, WE MET WITH HIM THIS MORNING, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, UH, ACM MILLS ON STAFFING FOR 9 1 1 AND POLICE DISPATCHER.

WE DO HAVE, UH, SEVERAL CLASSES IN SESSION RIGHT NOW, UH, TO GET PEOPLE OUT AND GET THEM ON THE FLOOR, AS WELL AS NEXT WEEK, WE'RE STARTING SEVEN NEW NINE ONE ONE CALL TAKERS AND, AND, AND SEVEN, UH, DISPATCHERS, UH, THAT WILL BE GOING THROUGH TRAINING TO BE ABLE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BE, BE RELEASED ON THE FLOOR EVENTUALLY.

SO, UH, OUR DISPATCHERS, UH, IF, IF ALL SEVEN MAKE IT THROUGH ALL THE TRAINING, UH, THAT'LL CUT THAT IN HALF DOWN TO SEVEN.

THAT'LL BE A GREAT THING FOR US FOR SURE.

UH, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT INCENTIVES TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN PEOPLE AS WELL AS, UH, CONTINUE TO OFFER QUALIFIED PEOPLE INTO THE DOOR, UM, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM TRAINED AND GET THEM OUT ON THE FLOOR AND HELP US OUT.

BUT, UM, THE, THE THING THAT HURTS US RIGHT NOW IS THE 47 VACANCIES WITHIN 9 1 1.

SO, NEXT CLASS OR SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS KIND OF AN UPDATE ON, ON WHERE WE ARE AT CADET CLASS-WISE FOR STAFFING LEVELS.

UH, THE FIRST 3 41, 40 FIFTH, 1 46, AND ONE 47TH HAVE ALREADY GRADUATED AND ARE CURRENTLY ON THE STREET.

UH, AND THROUGH VARIOUS PHASES OF THEIR TRAINING, IF NOT ALREADY RELEASED, UH, THE 1 48 AND 1 49, THEY ARE IN THE ACADEMY RIGHT NOW.

THE 1 48 STARTED WITH 34 CADETS, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE 19 THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UH, STILL ENROLLED IN IN THAT CLASS.

UH, IF WE MOVED TO THE ONE 49TH, UM, WE STARTED 34 CADETS, AND WE HAVE, UH, UH, SO FAR, WE'VE ONLY LOST, UH, THREE CADETS OUT OF THAT CLASS.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 31.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE 50TH AND THE ONE 51ST.

UH, THE ONE 50TH WILL BE A TRANSITIONAL OFFICER PROGRAM, OR WE CALL IT TOPS PROGRAM.

UH, WE ARE PREDICTED TO HAVE FIVE OFFICERS THAT ARE, WILL BE, UH, TRANSFERRING IN AND GOING THROUGH THE ACADEMY OR THE MODIFIED ACADEMY FOR THAT, AS WELL AS, UH, THE 1 51.

WHAT IS, WHICH IS BOTH OF THOSE CLASSES ARE PLANNED TO START ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 11TH, AND WE'RE PREDICTED TO HAVE 50, UH, CADETS IN THAT CLASS.

UH, LAST TIME I CHECKED, WE STILL HAD ABOUT 150 PEOPLE THAT WERE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, GOING THROUGH THEIR CHECKS, ET CETERA, TO BE ABLE TO BE IN THE 1 1 1 50 FIRST CLASS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, THIS KINDA SHOWS THE, THE, THE STAFFING, UH, OVER THAT LAST FOUR YEARS.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE 1959, WHICH IS IN 2020.

AND OF COURSE, THAT'S, UH, WHEN THE 150, UH, VACANTS POSITIONS WERE, UH, TAKEN AWAY FROM A P D THAT REDUCED US TO 1809.

UH, IT STAYED THE SAME IN 2022.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE INCREASED, UH, BY A FEW COUNSEL APPROVED THAT THE REALTIME CRIME CENTER WOULD RECEIVE SOME CIVILIANS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, WORK, WORK THE CAMERAS, ET CETERA LIKE THAT FOR THE HALO CAMERAS.

AND THAT INCREASED US TO, EXCUSE ME, 1812.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, THIS KIND OF, UH, DISPLAYS, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT ON SEPARATIONS FROM 20 TO, TO, UH, CURRENTLY CURRENT YEAR.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE LOST, UH, DUE TO SEPARATIONS, UH, OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN RECORD HIGHS, 1 35, 1 71 57.

AND CURRENTLY, UM, WE, WE ARE AT 1 29 AND WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.

SO, UH, SO FAR IF, IF THE TREND CONTINUES, WHICH HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T, UH, THIS WILL SHOULD BE A RECORD HIGH YEAR, UNFORTUNATELY.

AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE IS, IT ACTUALLY BREAKS DOWN THIS YEAR, CURRENT YEAR.

UH, IT SHOWS THAT, UH, WE CURRENTLY, UH, HAVE 90, WE'VE HAD 90 RETIREMENTS, UH, 44 PEOPLE WILL RESIGN AND ONE, ONE TERMINATION, UH, OVER OVER THE COURSE OF THE 129

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THAT, UH, HAVE SEPARATED WITH A, WITH AP D.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM.

OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT? UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT REPORT.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT'S BEHIND THE DROP IN P ZERO AND P ONE CALLS IN JUNE FROM APRIL AND MAY? YEAH, SO IF DR.

CR HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, UH, ALSO HE, HE'S MORE THAN WELCOME TO, UH, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DR.

CRJA, BUT IT IS A, IT'S A RESULT FROM DPS BEING HERE AND ALLOWING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE, UH, THE AUXILIARY CALLS, UH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKER TO THOSE CALLS AND NOT HAVE SOMEONE AVAILABLE.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UH, YOU, YOU'RE QUICKER TO TAKE A P THREE AND IT DOESN'T BECOME A P ONE? IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? NO, SO, SO P THREE S ARE, UH, NOT, UH, NOT IMMINENT THREAT TO PRI PROPERTY OR LIFE, UH, AND IT'S ALREADY OCCURRED.

UH, SO IT MEANS THAT AN OFFICER IS MORE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TAKE THAT CALL QUICKER.

UH, SO THEY WON'T HAVE ALL THE P ONE S BACKING UP.

THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT CALL QUICKER IN THE QUEUE.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CHANGES THE NUMBER OF P ONE S YOU GET IN A MONTH.

CUZ ISN'T THAT JUST INTAKE, IT'S WHAT'S COMING IN.

RIGHT.

BUT IF DPS IS TAKING CRASHES, UH, THEY'RE TAKING OTHER MINORITY CALLS THAT THAT LEAVES AN OFFICER TO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THOSE.

SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE QUEUE QU QUICKER.

SO CRASHES ARE P ONE S? CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WHETHER OR NOT A P D TRACKS WHERE OFFICERS ARE IN TERMS OF ELIGIBILITY FOR RETIREMENT AND TO KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA BE BIG INCREASES AT A PARTICULAR TIME? UM, SOME PEOPLE DON'T ANNOUNCE.

SOME PEOPLE DO ANNOUNCE WHEN THEY'RE GONNA RETIRE.

UM, WE KNOW, UH, BY STATISTICS OF, OF COURSE WHEN PEOPLE GRADUATE THE ACADEMY, WE KNOW WHO'S ELIGIBLE.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHO ANNOUNCES.

SOME PEOPLE DON'T ANNOUNCE AT ALL AND THEY'RE GONE THE NEXT DAY.

UH, SOME PEOPLE ANNOUNCE, UH, MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

IT JUST, IT JUST DEPENDS ON AN INDIVIDUAL'S PREFERENCE ON WHETHER THEY WANT THAT TO BE PUBLIC OR NOT.

BUT YOU, UH, YOU ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THE POOL OF POTENTIAL RETIREES LOOKS LIKE.

WE DO.

OKAY.

YES, MA'AM.

UH, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

UH, YEAH, SO EXACTLY.

SO WHEN WE KNEW THAT WE WERE, UH, POTENTIALLY GOING OUTTA CONTRACT, WE KNEW EXACTLY HOW MANY OFFICERS WERE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE, UH, AND WE KNEW THAT COULD BE THE WORST CASE NUMBER.

YES, MA'AM.

THANKS SO MUCH.

YES, MA'AM.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER SMITH OR HOLMES ONLINE? I'M JUST CHECKING IN WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS YOU.

COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER? I HAVE PENA.

OH, I'M GONNA DO COMMISSIONER PENA AND THEN I'LL BE OH, COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID CUZ OF STAFFING SHORTAGES THAT THIS INFORMATION MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE TO US NEXT MONTH OR, UH, WHEN YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING NO, UH, I, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THE, THE DR.

ING'S GROUP, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE, WE LOST A PERSON THAT NORMALLY DOES THESE REPORTS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO ON A SHORT NOTICE TO BE ABLE TO PULL THIS REPORT TOGETHER.

SO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE IN THE FUTURE WE'LL HAVE FIGURED OUT WHO, WHO'S STAFFING WISE IS GONNA FOLLOW UP THE REPORTS.

BUT I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THIS REPORT MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE PAST REPORTS CUZ A DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBER WAS UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO, UH, PUT IT TOGETHER AND SO WE COULD PRESENT IT TODAY.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, I WAS WONDERING IF WE HAD AN AVERAGE FOR THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR WITHOUT, UM, D P S PARTNERSHIP, BECAUSE I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING HOW OUR CALL VOLUME WENT DOWN AND THAT'S ATTRIBUTED TO D P S, HOWEVER, IT APPEARS FROM ONE OF YOUR SLIDES THAT THE CALL TIME FROM APRIL, MAY AND JUNE ARE ACTUALLY INCREASING MERE SECONDS, BUT SECONDS ARE LIVES.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND, AND WHAT I'M ASKING FOR SPECIFICALLY MAKES SENSE, DR.

CORIAN, DO YOU KNOW YEAH, IF YOU WANNA FLIP TO THE SLIDE, LIKE, UM, IT'LL GIVE US A BASIS FOR ME EXPLAINING IT.

RIGHT.

DO YOU KNOW WHICH SLIDE THAT IS? NO, AND I, THAT'S ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER.

I'M NOT SEEING IT ON THE BACKUP AS WELL, BUT I MAY BE MISTAKEN.

I THINK IT'S SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT.

WAS IT THE BY DISTRICT SLIDE? THAT ONE? NO, NO, IT WAS THE AVERAGE ONE.

OH, OKAY.

THE, THE ONE BEFORE THAT THEN YES.

THIS ONE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

AND SO IN, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, THE REASON THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT VERSUS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT, WHAT WE LARGELY TALK ABOUT PUBLICLY IS THAT THE INCREASES IN THE GAINS ARE ALWAYS IN THE P ZERO CATEGORY, RIGHT? P ZERO IS EMERGENCY, WHICH MEANS ONGOING.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CATEGORY OR CALLS THAT IF AN OFFICER ARRIVES, YOU MAY ENCOUNTER

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THE CRIME, RIGHT? YOU MAY ACTUALLY PROTECT SOMEONE FROM INJURY, UH, OR YOU MAY ENCOUNTER A SUSPECT WHO'S JUST LEFT.

SO THOSE, THE P ZEROS ARE REALLY THE ONES THAT ARE OF MOST VALUE.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN THE INCREASES BECAUSE OF TOTAL VOLUME WITH P ONE CALLS.

UH, THOSE JUST CONTINUE TO GROW PROPORTIONAL TO POPULATION IN THE CITY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND SO WHEN YOU AVERAGE BOTH OF THESE, UH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING JUST FOR AWARENESS THAT, UH, WE ARE WORKING ON ADDRESSING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES INTERNALLY AND WHAT'S OPERATIONALLY RELEVANT IS THE INDIVIDUAL P ZEROS VERSUS THE INDIVIDUAL P CATEGORY OF P ONE S.

RIGHT? UH, THE WAY THAT OUR, UH, CITYWIDE TARGET HAS SET UP HISTORICALLY IS BASED UPON BOTH TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEPARATE AS FAR AS A PERFORMANCE MEASURE IN THE COMING YEAR, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UH, SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR WHEN WE DISCUSS EACH ONE.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? IT DOES A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS LIKE THE SNAPSHOT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW, BUT IT DOESN'T HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE SNAPSHOT WITH CONTEXT.

MM-HMM.

AND THAT CONTEXT I WOULD THINK WOULD COME FROM A SIMILAR DATA POOL OR ASSERTION FROM LAST HERE TO REALLY MAKE THE POINT, RIGHT.

THERE'S A, A MISSING PIECE OF THAT ANALYSIS I'M NOT HEARING IN ORDER TO MAKE IT D P S MADE BETTER , IF THAT MAKES US PUT IT IN SUCH A, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH.

ELEMENTARY WAY.

YEAH.

NO, AND, AND ABSOLUTELY IN THE SAME QUARTERLY REPORT FROM A YEAR AGO RIGHT? YOU WOULD FIND THE COMPARABLE INFORMATION MADE THE COMPARISON, THE, THE PROBLEM FOR MAKING THE COMPARISON, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTS.

ONE IS THE AGGREGATION OF ADDING P ONES AND P ZEROS TOGETHER AND SAYING, LET'S LOOK AT OUR RESPONSE TIME TO THIS ENTIRE RIGHT.

TO EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH ARE, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL DISTRICT BREAKDOWNS THAT THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN HOW FAST WE GET TO A P ZERO VERSUS A P ONE.

RIGHT? UM, THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT'S IMPORTANT IN IT IS THAT YOU HAVE A, A TEMPORAL AGGREGATION PROBLEM AND THAT A QUARTER IN THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T ACTUALLY REFLECT THE EXACT TIME THAT D PS WAS HERE.

RIGHT? SO THE QUARTER'S GONNA INCLUDES MOSTLY D P S, BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS OTHER POINT IN IT.

AND WHAT WE SAW, UH, IN THE OTHER BREAKDOWNS THAT WE, THAT WE, WE GAVE AND WERE MAKING AVAILABLE THROUGH COUNSEL AND WE SENT YOU ALL THE LINK TOO, UM, IS MUCH MORE CLEAR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXACT TIME PERIODS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

AND WITH THAT, OH, COMMISSIONER RUTAN.

AND I THINK UNLESS WE HAVE, DO WE ANTICIPATE ANYMORE? CUZ I THINK THAT MIGHT BE OUR LAST QUESTION.

OKAY.

DO I NEED, DO I NEED TO HOLD THIS ON OR IS IT ON, UM, APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTIES WITH YOUR STAFF TURNOVER AND CHANGES.

JUST TWO QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE DATA COLLECTION BEING NEW TO THIS COMMISSION.

SO IN TERMS OF THE CLEARANCES, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DENOMINATORS ARE IN THERE.

SO I SEE THE CLEARANCE NUMBERS, BUT WHAT'S I, I IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE DECREASED PERCENTAGES FROM QUARTER TO QUARTER, YEAR TO YEAR.

LIKE WHEN I SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, 2 25 CLEARANCES FOR AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, HOW MANY ARE, ARE NOT CLEAR WHAT FRACTION OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY BEING, BEING ADDRESSED.

I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT IT FROM A WORKLOAD.

IS THAT AVAILABLE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AT SOME POINT WE CAN SEE? YEAH, SO THIS HAS BEEN, THIS IS, UH, I APPRECIATE, IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

UM, THIS HAS, UH, BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON INTERNALLY.

UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT IT AT LENGTH.

THE CHALLENGE OF THE DENOMINATOR RELATES TO A, EFFECTIVELY WHAT IS A VIABLE BUSINESS PROCESS.

SO WHEN WE THINK A QUARTER OF DATA, UH, WHAT IS THE CORRECT DENOMINATOR WHEN SOME CASES MAY BE SOLVED IN A DAY AND IN SOME CASES MAY BE SOLVED IN A YEAR.

SO WHAT'S THE RELEVANT SET, RIGHT? MM.

UM, AND SO THE, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT THE METRICS ARE GIVING US SOMETHING THAT'S VIABLE, SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE AND THAT THE SIMPLE INTERPRETATION OF WOULD SUPPORT A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING.

WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THIS INTERNALLY.

UH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH, UH, A FORMER, UH, RECENTLY WITH A FORMER COMMISSIONER.

UM, AND WE, I THINK INDICATED INFORMALLY THAT WE'RE WORKING IN THE DIRECTION OF MOVING TOWARD RATES.

UH, WE HAD HELPED TO PROVIDE RATES ACTUALLY, AND THIS RELATES TO THE, THE LOSS OF PERSONNEL.

UH, WE HAD HOPED TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF BEGINNING TO PROVIDE RATES AT, AT BEGINNING IN THIS QUARTERLY REPORT.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, GIVEN THE LOSS, THAT'S, UH, CREATED A CHALLENGE FOR US.

SO, UM, IT WILL, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WORK THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMISSION TO TRY TO HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY OF PRESENTING IT IS.

UM, YOU HAVE SOME, JUST SOME PECULIARITIES WITHOUT KNOWING THE CORRECT DENOMINATOR WHERE YOU CAN GET, WE'VE CLOSED OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT, RIGHT? YOU CAN ALSO END UP WITH, UH, UH, SORT OF CHANGES WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DOING BETTER, BUT YOU'RE REALLY NOT.

IT'S JUST, UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

OKAY.

YEAH, THAT DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE.

I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTIES AND THE DATA THERE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S DEALING WITH A CAR BREAK OR A CAR ROBBERY, KNOWING SOME OF THOSE RATES OF, OF CLOSURE CAN BE, CAN BE HELPFUL

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FOR EFFECTIVENESS.

SO, BUT APPRECIATE THE WORK ON IT.

OKAY.

AND WITH THAT, I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE CLOSING QUESTION THAT I FORGOT ABOUT.

UM, JUST WITH REGARDS TO OVERTIME, I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS AT 28 MILLION.

HAVE YOU HAD TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM COUNSEL TO DATE OR IS THAT STILL COMING FROM PERSONNEL FUNDS? UH, RIGHT NOW NOT, NO, BECAUSE WE'RE 76% WITHIN OUR BUDGET, THREE QUARTERS.

SO IF, IF EVERYTHING HOLDS TRUE, LIKE LAST YEAR, THAT WE SHOULD BE WITHIN THE OVERALL BUDGET, SO.

RIGHT.

AND LAST, AND LAST YEAR THAT WAS THE CASE AS WELL.

YOU, YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET? YES MA'AM.

IN SPITE OF THE OVERTIME OVERAGES? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

AND I THINK THAT WRAPS THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD

[5. APD Overtime Pay and Payroll Processing and possible recommendation to City Council ]

AND MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE.

WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT A P D OVERTIME PAY AND PAYROLL PROCESSING.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH.

WE CAN HAVE SCOTT PERRY FROM A P D UP.

UM, AND THEN I ALSO BELIEVE, UM, MR. VIAL IS GONNA BE SPEAKING BRIEFLY AND DO, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

MR. MILLS, WILL YOU BE SPEAKING OR ARE YOU JUST HERE TO SAY HI ? UM, SO MR. PERRY.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS SCOTT PERRY AND I'M ONE ASSISTANT CHIEF WITH A P D.

I'M JUST HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP REGARDING SOME DELAY IN OVERTIME, UH, PAYMENTS, UH, THAT HAS BEEN A TOPIC THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR ABOUT A YEAR.

BEFORE I TAKE SOME QUESTIONS FROM EVERYBODY, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL INFORMATION SO WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, ON THE SAME PAGE.

UH, AS CHIEF MASON JUST DESCRIBED, OUR OVERTIME EXPENDITURES HAVE, UH, GONE WAY UP OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

AND ABOUT A YEAR AGO, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UH, OUR OFFICERS HAVE BEGUN TO WORK MORE OVERTIME THAN THEY EVER HAVE IN THE PAST WITH THAT INCREASED NUMBER OF OVERTIME.

UH, WE ARE STILL ON A PAPER OVERTIME SHEET, UH, PROCESS.

SO WHEN YOU FILL OUT, WHEN YOU WORK MORE OVERTIME, YOU'RE GONNA FILL OUT MORE OVERTIME SHEETS THAT INCREASE IN OVERTIME SHEETS THAT HAVE TO BE PROCESSED BY THE PERSONNEL THAT ARE IN, UH, PAYROLL IS GOING TO REALLY PUT THEM BEHIND THE, THE EIGHT BALL.

UH, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

WE HAD SOME STAFFING CHALLENGES, UH, WITH SOME VERY KEY PEOPLE THAT LEFT THAT DEPARTMENT, UH, LEFT THAT UNIT, WHICH RESULTED IN A, A BACKLOG.

UM, THERE HAS BEEN A NEW SUPERVISOR THAT HAS BEEN HIRED.

SHE CAME IN AT A VERY DIFFICULT TIME.

UH, SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THAT, UH, UNIT TURNED BACK AROUND.

UH, AND, AND THEY'RE FULLY STAFFED RIGHT NOW.

THEY'VE ALSO HIRED SOME TEMPS.

UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT SOME ISSUES THAT WE HAD REGARDING, UH, THE, THE PROCESSING OF THE OVERTIME SHEETS THEMSELVES.

WE WERE ABLE TO PUSH THOSE DOWN TO THE COMMAND LEVEL SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH, UH, MANY DIFFERENT APPROVAL LEVELS BECAUSE, UH, WITH OVERTIME SHEETS THAT ARE PAPER, UH, THE MORE HANDS THAT ARE ON THEM, THE MORE CHANCES THERE ARE FOR ERRORS TO OCCUR.

SO, UH, WE'VE PUSHED THAT BACK DOWN TO THE ACTUAL COMMANDS THAT HAS HELPED US, UH, GET AHEAD OF THE PROBLEM.

UH, I CAN SAY THAT FROM OUR OVERTIME EXPENDITURES, THE ONES THAT WERE LATE, THEY WERE ALWAYS, UH, WITHIN A FEW PAY PERIODS, STILL NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL FOR ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES TO NOT RECEIVE THE COMPENSATION THAT THEY'RE DESERVED AND THAT THEY'VE WORKED.

BUT I CAN ALSO SAY THAT WE ARE IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE RIGHT NOW.

UM, THERE ARE OCCASIONAL OVERTIME SHEETS THAT COME IN LATE OR THAT AREN'T PROCESSED BY THE DEADLINE, BY THE PAYROLL DEADLINE, AND THEY'RE USUALLY CAUGHT UP ON THE NEXT PAY PERIOD.

BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM OF, UH, LATE OVERTIME SHEETS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND WE ARE IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE THAN WE WERE IN THE PAST.

I CAN ALSO SAY THAT THE CITY IS TRANSITIONING FROM THE PAPER TIME SHEET AND OVERTIME FORM PROGRAM TO A NEW ELECTRONIC FORM FORMAT.

AND WE HOPE THAT, UM, THAT WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS. THE ONLY ISSUE IS APD IS NOT SLATED TO START TAKING PART OF THAT PROGRAM UNTIL SOMETIME IN FY 24, PROBABLY Q3 OR Q4 OF, OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO, UH, WE JUST ARE GONNA CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

WE THINK WE HAVE THE PROBLEM TAKEN CARE OF.

UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE STILL OCCASIONAL, UH, HICCUPS AND ISSUES AND WHEN THOSE DO COME UP, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THEM, UH, PROMPTLY.

OKAY.

I ACTUALLY JUST, I COMMISSIONER, IT'S COMMISSIONER BERNHARD, BUT I HAD ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GO.

AND IT WAS ACTUALLY, I HAD, I HAD WARNED EMS AND FIRE THAT I WAS JUST GONNA CHECK IN WITH THEM WITH REGARDS TO OVERTIME PAYROLL PROCESSING.

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ARE YOU GUYS ALSO ON A PAPER SYSTEM OR IS IT ELECTRONIC PROCESSING? JUST TRYING TO GET A HANDLE OF ANY POTENTIAL LIKE DIFFERENCES AND LEVELING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS.

HI, I'M THERESA GARDNER, CHIEF OF STAFF FOR THE EMS DEPARTMENT, AND WE ARE NOT ON PAPER TIME SHEETS.

LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

THE MAJORITY OF OUR FIELD STAFF IS NOT ON PAPER TIME SHEETS.

OUR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ARE, BUT NOT OUR, OUR FIELD STAFF.

I THINK THE, UM, NEW PROGRAM THAT, UH, CHIEF JUST REFERRED TO AS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALREADY ON, WE USE TELESTAFF AS A, UM, ONLINE SCHEDULING THAT'S, SO IT'S PRE-POPULATED, UM, WITH WORK TIME, VACATION TIME, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND WE, THAT FEEDS INTO OUR BANNER PAYROLL SYSTEM.

AND THERE'S, UM, ONGOING AUDITS JUST VERY HIGH LEVEL.

IT'S JUST VERY, UM, ONCE IT'S SUBMITTED, THERE'S UM, SOME VERIFICATION THAT THE TIME IS ENTERED IF WE HAVE ANY OVERTIME OR EVEN PAYROLL ISSUES, IT MAY BE RELATED TO LIKE AN EARLY CLOSE ON PAYROLL THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOLIDAY.

UH, SOMETIMES THINGS DO GET SUBMITTED LATE IF THERE'S EXTRA TIME THAT AN EMPLOYEE WORKS, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO EMAIL THAT TO THE TIMEKEEPERS.

UM, AND THAT MAY GET IN TOO LATE OR IT MAY GET OVERLOOKED, BUT THAT IS USUALLY RECTIFIED WITHIN A PAY CYCLE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEMIC ISSUE EITHER.

TOM BOKEY, AUSTIN FIRE ASSISTANT CHIEF.

UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT WE DO.

UH, OUR BC TIMEKEEPING IS A SYSTEM BUILT BY AFD.

UH, OUR PAYROLL GROUP USES THAT DIGITAL FORMAT TO PUT IT IN THE BANNER.

WE ARE NEXT UP FOR THE U K G, WHICH IS, UH, WE PLAN TO START MOVING INTO THE U K G, WHICH IS THE NEW TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM IN OCTOBER.

SO THAT'S, UH, FROM THERE, HOPEFULLY BY BY MID NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE FULLY INTO THAT NEW SYSTEM.

SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH, UH, PAYROLL, UH, AT A TIME BEING PAID ON TIME.

MY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS THE, UH, IS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, A P D STAYED ON PAPER PROCESSING ALL THIS TIME? WAS IT, IS IT A, A BUDGET CONSTRAINT? IS IT AN OPERATIONAL DECISION? LIKE WHAT YES.

WHY, I GUESS YEAH, SURE.

IT'S AN OPERATIONAL DECISION THROUGH THE CITY.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MANAGE THE PAYROLL SYSTEM.

UH, WE'RE JUST A USER OF IT AND THROUGH THEIR ROLLOUT PRO PROGRAM IN THEIR PROCESS, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE DECISION ON WHO GETS INTO THE SYSTEM NEXT.

UH, A P D HISTORICALLY HAS A VERY CONFUSING AND DIFFICULT, UM, TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR OFFICERS ARE SCHEDULED AND THE, THE FOUR TENS THAT SOME WORK AND THE FIVE EIGHTS THAT OTHERS WORK, IT'S JUST A VERY DIFFICULT SYSTEM, UH, TO, TO MANAGE.

SO I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ALL OF THE BUGS WORKED OUT FIRST AND THEN IT'LL EVENTUALLY COME OVER TO A P D.

I WAS GONNA, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO THAT TOO.

I'M SURE THAT THAT, UH, CHIEF PERRY, WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS WHAT I JUST WAS TOLD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FROM REBECCA KENNEDY, OUR HR INTERIM HR DIRECTOR, THAT IT WAS KIND OF A PHASE IN BY DEPARTMENT AND AT THE TIME THEY WERE GOING TO DEPARTMENTS WITH 1800 OR SO FOLKS WERE GONNA BE SOME OF THE LAST AND WE'RE GONNA KIND OF PLAY AROUND WITH SMALLER DEPARTMENTS, EMS AND, AND WE, WE BOUGHT A LOT OF CHARCOAL AND PAPER AND STUFF A LONG TIME AGO FOR POLICE.

WE WANTED 'EM TO USE ALL THAT UP BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, SWITCH OVER TO, YOU KNOW, GREAT TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S COMING.

SO I THINK A LOT OF, A LOT OF STEPS HAD BEEN TAKEN, UH, THANKS TO A P D HR AS WELL AS, AS AS CORPORATE HR TO, TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS WITH THE, UH, OVERTIME GETTING PAID.

THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE FOR US.

I KNOW IT WAS WITH POLICE ASSOCIATION AND, AND ALL THE OFFICERS TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY WORK THE, THE EXCESSIVE HOURS OR HAVING TO WORK FROM THE, WHAT WE DESCRIBED A WHILE AGO WITH THE SHORTAGES, THAT THE ONE THING IS THE PRIORITY FOR US IS MAKE SURE THEY GET PAID.

GOOD.

DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, MY, I READ A LITTLE BIT OF THE ARTICLES ON THIS TOPIC AND ONE OF THEM MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES IS A P D OFFICERS TURNING IN THEIR TIME SHEETS, UH, PAST THE DEADLINE.

UM, IS THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT OVERTIME IS NOT PAID TIMELY OR ARE THERE OTHER REASONS? THAT'S A REASON, RIGHT.

UM, IF, IF OVERTIME SHEETS ARE NOT SUBMITTED OR ARE SUBMITTED AFTER THE DEADLINE, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY WON'T BE ON THAT PAY PERIOD.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES.

THERE CAN BE, UM, THE APPROVALS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PAPERWORK, UM, IF IT GOES THROUGH MULTIPLE CHANNELS THAT, I MEAN MULTIPLE PEOPLE'S HANDS, THEN THERE CAN BE PROBLEMS WITH CLERICAL ERRORS.

UM, JUST LOSING THE OVERTIME SHEET, IT NOT BEING PUT INTO THE RIGHT FOLDER, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT WERE INPUTTING THE OVERTIME SHEETS.

UM, FOR THE VOLUME THAT WAS COMING IN, IT WAS FINE WHEN THERE WAS A LOWER VOLUME, BUT WHEN YOU INCREASE THAT VOLUME, THEN THEIR BANDWIDTH OBVIOUSLY, UH, IS DIMINISHED.

SO THEY HAD THOSE ISSUES.

WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, BESIDES PUSHING

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THOSE SUBMISSION, OR BESIDES PUSHING THE INPUTTING OF THE OVERTIME SHEETS DOWN TO THE COMMAND LEVEL, WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INPUTTING THOSE INTO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM.

SO THEY'RE TAKING, THEY'RE TRANSCRIBING IT FROM THOSE PAPER OVER TIME LOGS INTO THE BANNER SYSTEM, WHICH THEN, UM, GETS THE OFFICER OR THE, THE CIVILIAN STAFF PAID ON TIME.

SO IT'S KIND OF A CULMINATION OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO CURRENTLY THE COMMANDERS ARE DOING THE INPUT? NO, THE ADMIN STAFF THAT WORKS AT THE COMMANDS.

OKAY.

IT'S JUST THE COMMAND LEVEL, RIGHT? I WAS LIKE, NO, THAT, THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

UM, THAT'S HELPFUL.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

AND ALSO, UM, MR. VIE, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SOME, YOU WERE GONNA COME UP AS WELL.

SURE.

WE CAN CONTINUE TAKING QUESTIONS, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA NOT GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK YOU.

I'M DETECTIVE THOMAS VIAL, UM, PRESIDENT OF OFFICE POLICE ASSOCIATION.

UM, WHEN I TOOK OVER THE APA BACK IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, UM, HAD A NUMBER OF OUR MEMBERS CONTINUING TO EXPERIENCE, UM, ISSUES WITH, UH, PROMPT PAYMENTS.

SO WE ACTUALLY CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE USED SURVEYMONKEY OR, OR KIND OF WHAT FORM THAT WE USE, BUT WE REACHED OUT JUST SAYING, HEY, LIKE, ARE YOU OWED TIME? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S ROAD TIME? IF SO, HOW MUCH? UM, AND IF SO, HOW FAR BACK? UM, AND THEN ACTUALLY TOOK THAT INFORMATION TO CHIEF PERRY, UH, TO SAY LIKE, HEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THIS IS, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BELIEF THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE, UM, WORKED THROUGH IT.

UM, Y YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, UM, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A NEWS ARTICLE THAT WAS DONE PROBABLY SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, UM, WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

UM, EVERY, YOU KNOW, COUPLE WEEKS YOU, YOU GET ONE OR TWO OFFICERS REACH OUT, UM, WE KIND OF HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE INSTRUCT THEM TO GO THROUGH WITH, WITH HR, UM, TO TRY TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION.

AND THEN, UM, WHEN I WAS CONTACTED HERE ABOUT THE MOST RECENT INTERVIEW, UM, TALKED TO THE MEDIA THEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, HASN'T HASN'T BEEN AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM.

IT SEEMS LIKE WHATEVER CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE ARE WORKING A LITTLE BIT.

WE STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE ARE MISTAKES PROBABLY EVERY TWO WEEKS.

UM, I HAD A MISTAKE ON MY PAYCHECK THIS PAST WEEK.

UM, LIKE I, I GET IT.

THE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHIEF PERRY SAID, JUST THE, THE SHEER NUMBER OF, OF OVERTIME HOURS THAT ARE BEING WORKED BY OUR FOLKS.

UM, I RECOGNIZE THAT MISTAKES ARE, ARE GONNA HAPPEN.

UM, BUT, UH, I, I AM THANKFUL THAT, THAT THE CITY'S TAKEN IT SERIOUSLY AND, AND, UM, ARE WORKING WITH US TO TRY TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEMS. UM, I RECOGNIZE WHY THERE'S A, WHY THIS NEW SYSTEM IS BEING LAID OUT THE WAY THAT IT IS.

UM, IT, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DON'T WAIT UNTIL Q3, Q4 OF, OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO, TO GET THIS ON BOARD AND ROLLING, BUT THAT'S NOT A, A DECISION THAT ANYONE'S GONNA LISTEN TO THE APA ABOUT.

SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.

DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND THEN I'LL GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THIS THE, THE SAME PAPER PROCESSING SYSTEM, WHAT IS IN PLACE FOR CIVILIAN STAFF AS WELL? OR IS THIS JUST FOR SWORN? IT IS, IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE FOR CIVILIANS.

OKAY.

SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT NINE ONE ONE CALL TAKERS ARE ALSO DEALING WITH, WITH THE OVERTIME AND STUFF THAT IS BEING USED? SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHETHER THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, CALL TAKERS THAT IT HAS AFFECTED.

RIGHT.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE OTHER CIVILIAN STAFF, UM, BACK WHEN, UH, FORENSICS WAS UNDER US BEFORE THEY BECAME THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT.

THERE WERE SOME DELAYED PAYMENTS IN THE FORENSIC SIDE OF THINGS.

UH, ALSO, BUT THOSE, LIKE I SAID, THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED AND WE, WE, WE THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT NOW.

OKAY.

AND I'M GONNA QUICK HOG IN THE MIC, I'M GONNA MAKE A QUICK COMMISSIONER.

NGU, I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION FOR CHIEF GARDNER.

UM, SO YOU SAID THAT Y'ALL ARE NOW USING THE TELESTAFF SYSTEM.

WERE YOU AFFECTED BY THE OUTAGE THAT HAPPENED? UH, BACK THERE? UM, WHEN, AND I, I SEE YOU NODDING YES, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AND UM, SEE IF THERE WERE REDUNDANCIES PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT BECAUSE I'M ALL FOR USING TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL MAKE THESE ISSUES MORE SEAMLESS.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME BEING AWARE OF SOME OF THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT COME UP WHEN THOSE SYSTEMS DO GO DOWN.

YEAH, SO JUST FOR BACKGROUND, WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO IS, IS TELESTAFF IS A PRODUCT THAT WE USE AT, UM, POPULATES ALL OF OUR, OUR SCHEDULES FOR THE FIELD.

SO IT TELLS EVERYBODY WHERE THEY'RE GOING, UM, WHAT SHIFTS ARE WORKING, YOU

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KNOW, WHAT THEIR HOURS ARE GONNA BE.

UM, WHAT HAPPENED IS, LIKE SO MANY OTHER SERVERS THAT UNFORTUNATELY IT, IT WAS, UM, IT, IT WENT DOWN, UM, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

UM, THE REDUNDANCY THAT WE HAVE, OR A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE IS JUST THE LEGACY OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.

EVERYBODY'S ASSIGNED A SEAT AND A SHIFT, SO MOSTLY EVERYBODY KNEW WHERE TO GO.

SO THE FOLLOW UP WAS THAT OUR SCHEDULING FOLKS AND OUR HR PEOPLE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, MANUALLY ENTERING INTO, AGAIN, THE, THE BANNER SIDE, WHICH IS THE, THE PAYROLL SIDE, THE HOURS THAT HAD TO GO INTO THAT.

UM, SO THE REDUNDANCY IS REALLY JUST A LEGACY OF, I, I COME FROM A TIME WHERE EVERYTHING WAS KEPT IN A GIGANTIC BOOK OF, YOU KNOW, THE KEEPING SHIFT SCHEDULE.

SO WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS.

UM, IT WAS A LOT OF MANUAL WORK TO RECONCILE WHAT THE SHIFTS WERE AND MAKING SURE THAT, THAT WE GOT PEOPLE PAID AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLY COULD.

THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF, I AM SURE THAT WE MISSED SOME THINGS.

WE HAD TO GO BACK AND RECTIFY WHATEVER WAS ENTERED INCORRECTLY DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO OUR CLOSING QUESTIONS.

OH, OKAY.

UM, THEN I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SEEMS LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT .

UM, UM, HOW MUCH OVERTIME ARE A P D OFFICERS, UM, ALLOWED TO WORK? IS THERE A LIMIT? THERE IS.

OUR POLICY ADDRESSES THAT, AND IT CAN BE, UH, UP TO 36 HOURS, UH, IN ONE WEEK'S TIME.

AND THEN DEPENDING ON IF YOU TAKE VACATION TO OFFSET, THEN THOSE NUMBERS CAN, CAN SOMETIMES CHANGE AND INCREASE.

I DON'T HAVE THE POLICY RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME TO TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THERE IS A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF OVERTIME HOURS, 16 HOURS A DAY, RIGHT.

OFFICERS CAN WORK NO MORE THAN 16 HOURS A DAY.

AND BASICALLY, LIKE CHIEF PERRY SAID, IT'S NO MORE THAN 76 HOURS A WEEK.

SO IF I BURN THIS WEEK OF VACATION AND IN THEORY, I COULD GO WORK 76 HOURS OF OVERTIME THIS WEEK.

OKAY.

UM, AND CAN I GET A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THAT? IS THAT 76 HOURS WORKED OR 76 HOURS PAID? 76 HOURS.

SO LIKE IF YOU WORK TIME AND A HALF, LIKE I CAN, I CAN WORK 76 HOURS IN A WORK.

OKAY.

IN A AND THEN YOU WOULD GET PAID TIME AND A HALF OR DOUBLE TIME ON 76 WORKED HOURS? CORRECT.

OKAY.

IF YOU, IF YOU BURNED 40 HOURS OF VACATION.

40 HOURS OF VACATION.

YES SIR.

OKAY.

UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY RESEARCH OR HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED INTO, UM, LIKE THE, THE HARMS OF HAVING OFFICERS WORK 16 HOURS A DAY AND THE, LIKE, THE POTENTIAL SORT OF NEGATIVE THINGS THAT CAN COME OUT OF THAT? SO THOSE POLICIES WERE PUT IN PLACE MANY YEARS AGO CUZ THERE, THERE USED TO NOT BE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.

OKAY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY RECENT STUDIES TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS THAT STILL AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER? BUT I DO KNOW WHEN I STARTED HERE THERE WAS NO LIMIT.

AND, UH, THE CITY AND THE DEPARTMENT AND, AND US AS A PROFESSION QUICKLY REALIZED THAT THAT'S NOT HEALTHY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, CUZ YOU WOULD HAVE PEOPLE WORK 20 HOURS A DAY IF, IF THEY COULD.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, REPEATEDLY DOING THAT IS, IS VERY DETRIMENTAL.

UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT SURE HOW TO SAY MY SORT OF GLOBAL OPINION IN A QUESTION, SO I'M JUST GONNA HOLD OFF.

OKAY.

AND I'M ACTUALLY JUST GONNA REQUEST THAT IF WE CAN PLEASE HAVE THE OVERTIME POLICY FOR A P D UM, AS A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, WE'D LOVE THAT FOR OUR BACKUP MATERIALS FOR NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE HAVE THAT AS A REFERENCE.

SO IF THAT COULD PLEASE BE FORWARDED, I'LL, I'LL PUT IT IN OUR FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS FOR, FOR NEXT MEETING.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, AND I THINK, HONESTLY, QUICK QUESTION.

OKAY.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE, UM, IF WE WERE ABLE TO FIND, UH, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME TYPE OF STUDY LIKE THAT TO BE, UM, DONE TO EVALUATE THAT? CERTAINLY IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE, UM, THE, THE WELLNESS OF OUR OFFICERS AND ALL OF OUR STAFF IS A VERY HIGH PRIORITY WITH A P D AND, UM, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE POSITION WHERE WE ARE DOING ANYTHING THAT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THEM.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, IN RESEARCHING THIS, I JUST NOTICED THAT THERE'S A, A BUREAU OF JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION OR A, A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS WHO YOU GUYS KNOW MANAGE THE BURN GRANT AND SO ON.

UM, THEY WROTE LIKE 18 PAGES ON THIS WAY BACK IN LIKE 1995 OR 2005.

UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE A HELPFUL PLACE TO START.

YES MA'AM.

I'LL LOOK FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL.

OH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, I'M SORRY.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

NO WORRIES.

I THINK MINE IS EXCELLENT FOR A WRAP UP.

I'M WONDERING, THIS REALLY CONCERNS ME, Y'ALL, ESPECIALLY FOR AN OFFICER TO BE OUT THERE 76 HOURS DOING REALLY TRAUMATIC WORK, UM, AND THEN THEIR PAY NOT BE IN WHERE IT, WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

THAT REALLY CONCERNS

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ME.

SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE CAN ASK THEM BACK MAYBE Q2 OF NEXT YEAR TO ENSURE THIS DOESN'T GET LOST IN THE SAUCE.

I JUST WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WITH ALL THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK AND HOW WE'RE PHASING IT IN AND ENSURING THAT THEY ARE PHASED IN.

UM, I I JUST WANNA KEEP OUR HANDS ON IT, KEEP A LENS ON IT.

IS, IS THAT POSSIBLE? THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION.

YES, WE WILL DO THAT.

OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WITH THAT, WE ARE

[6. APD/DPS Partnership Update and possible recommendation to City Council]

GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ITEM.

WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS JOINING US FOR THE ACTUAL ITEM.

BUT IN TERMS OF SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BILL BRYCE, I BELIEVE IS HERE.

THANK YOU, MR. BRYCE.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

I'M BILL BRYCE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE.

DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE MANAGES THE AUSTIN DOWNTOWN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

WE REPRESENT APPROXIMATELY 14,000 DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS, ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOWNTOWN EMPLOYEES AND THEIR TENANT EMPLOYERS AND MILLIONS OF DOWNTOWN VISITORS WHO COME TO DOWNTOWN AUSTIN AS TOURISTS OR TO ATTEND EVENTS, MEETINGS AND CONVENTIONS.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE A P D DPS PARTNERSHIP.

I'VE BEEN WITH THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE NEARLY 20 YEARS AND NEVER BEFORE HAS DOWNTOWN FELT LIKE IT IS.

IT IS, IT IS AT A CRITICAL TIPPING POINT AS IT FEELS TODAY.

EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES, VISITORS, PROPERTY, AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND OPERATORS ARE EXPERIENCING INCREASED VIOLENT ASSAULTS AND INCIDENTS INVOLVING HOTEL AND RETAIL EMPLOYEES AND THREATS TO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC SPACE.

THEY'RE ALSO EXPERIENCING INCREASING PROPERTY CRIME AND VANDALISM RESULTING THIS YEAR ALONE IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT MILLIONS, IN PROPERTY DAMAGE TO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AROUND DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING A FIRE THAT DAMAGE IN HISTORIC CONGRESS AVENUE PROPERTY AND PROPERTY DAMAGE TO MANY VACANT PROPERTIES, PARTICULARLY IN THE SIXTH HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ARE TREASURES TO THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN HISTORIC ATMOSPHERE.

DOWNTOWN USER SURVEYS SHOW THAT THE PERCEPTIONS OF PUBLIC SAFETY AMONG DOWNTOWN USERS IS DECLINING BOTH IN DAYTIME AND AT NIGHT.

THIS IS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT THIS IS SOLELY ABOUT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, BUT HAVING PEOPLE LIVING UNSHELTERED IN THE PUBLIC SPACE WHO CANNOT GET INTO SHELTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT AVAILABLE, MANY OF WHOM ARE DECOMPENSATING PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY IN THE PUBLIC SPACE, CONTRIBUTES TO THE PERCEPTION OF AN UNSAFE AND UNHEALTHY ENVIRONMENT.

ALL EFFORTS MUST BE MADE TO IMPLEMENT ALL ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE RESOURCES, PARTICULARLY IN RESPONSE TO INCIDENTS INVOLVING PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THOSE NEEDING PHYSICAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SUPPORTS.

THIS HELPS TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF POLICE RESOURCES.

WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE ADEQUATE A P D RESOURCES PATROLLING OUR STREETS AND NOT DPS,