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UM, WELCOME TO[CALL TO ORDER]
THE JULY 10TH, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING.WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS ONLINE.
IF I COULD HAVE OUR COMMISSIONERS ONLINE, PLEASE TURN THEIR CAMERAS ON, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, JUST A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS, UM, ON OUR AGENDA, UM, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED.
UM, ITEM TWO, STAFF BRIEFINGS AND ITEM THREE, UNDER DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS. THOSE AREN'T ITEMS WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE DISCUSSING UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING FROM OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS THERE FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY SO THAT WE CAN POST SOME THINGS TO BACK UP.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING FOR COMMISSIONERS IS I WANNA URGE EVERYONE TO PLEASE, UM, LOG ONTO THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSION'S EMAIL.
UM, THERE'S SOME NEW PROTOCOLS IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN RESET OUR OWN PASSWORDS SO THAT IF YOUR PASSWORD DISAPPEARS, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND RESET IT OURSELVES INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CALL THE HELP DESK.
UM, OUR LIAISON WILL NO LONGER BE SENDING EMAILS TO PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES AS A BACKUP.
WE WILL ONLY BE USING OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS EMAILS, SO THAT'LL, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, I WILL CALL ROLL, UM, COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER OR HERE? COMMISSIONER PENA.
AND I'M ALSO HERE AS WELL, MARKING AS PRESENT.
[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]
WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, I BELIEVE.FIRST OFF, WE HAVE MR. CARLOS DELEONE.
SO CARLOS LEON, FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AGAINST SICKO SATANIC BEHAVIOR, THREATENING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.
JULY 7TH, 1138 TO 11:48 AM AT THE 3 45 BUS STOP AT 45TH.
AND BURNETT, AN OLDER HISPANIC MAN, WALKED AT ME, STOOD TOO CLOSE TO ME, AND SAID HIS NAME WAS PEPE, AND THAT HIS WIFE ACROSS THE STREET WAS A BUS DRIVER FOR 24 YEARS, SHE APPEARED TO BE CAT METRO OPERATOR, 3 0 1 0 9 0, WHO HAS REPEATEDLY TARGETED ME THE PAST SIX MONTHS WITH HER ABUSIVE, ATTACKING BEHAVIOR, TRYING TO STARE ME DOWN, STOPPING IN THE WRONG PLACE TO DENY ME MY BOARDING OR DESTINATION, STOP RUNNING LATE AND TRYING TO MAKE ME ANSWER HER UNNECESSARY QUESTIONS TO REPEAT MYSELF, TO TRY MAKING ME WAIT ON ACCOMMODATE AND SERVE HER.
THOUGH SHE, THE DRIVER, IS LEGALLY BOUND TO WAIT ON, ACCOMMODATE AND SERVE ME THE PASSENGER, BECAUSE SHE'S A PUBLIC SERVANT PER TEXAS.
PENAL CODE 1 0 7 A 41 A, BECAUSE I RIGHTLY STOOD MY GROUND FILING 20 COMPLAINTS AGAINST HER, SHE WRONGLY TRIED, PROJECTING HER GUILT ONTO ME TO VILIFY AND PUNISH ME FOR HER EVIL.
AFTER HER EFFORTS FAILED, HUSBAND PEPE CAME AT ME.
HE ACCUSED ME OF CUSSING AT HER, IMPLIED HOW I PRESENT MYSELF, CAUSED HER BAD BEHAVIOR, AND PRAISED HOW GOOD SHE IS TO HIM AND OTHERS TO TRY ISOLATING AND BLAMING ME, THE TARGETED INDIVIDUAL.
THEN HE TOLD ME, I KNOW WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE NOW.
I TOLD HIM, DON'T TRY THREATENING ME.
I TOLD HIM TO GO AHEAD, THEN MY BUS ARRIVED, SO I LEFT STILL.
PEP ISZ LIP WAS QUIVERING, NOT IN FEAR, BUT RAGE, BELIEVING HE WAS DEFENDING HER FROM ME, THOUGH I AM DEFENDING MYSELF FROM THEM, SINCE THEIR BAD BEHAVIOR CROSSED MANY LINES.
I TRIED DOCUMENTING IT WITH KAT METRO AND FILED AN INCIDENT REPORT AGAINST THEM WITH A P D ONLINE BACKUP MATERIAL FOR THIS MEETING.
GIVE AN INCH TO AN ABUSIVE TROLL AND THEY'LL TAKE A MILE.
YET, I AM PEACEFUL UNTIL PROVOKED.
LIKE I TOLD PEPE, I DON'T MESS WITH DRIVERS, BUT I DON'T TAKE MESS FROM THEM EITHER.
EVIDENCE BY MY VISIBLE FURY IN WRITTEN COMPLAINTS AND ON BUS, AUDIO AND VIDEO, RIGHTLY YELLING AT GUILTY DRIVERS TRYING TO DISRESPECT, BULLY, OR UNLAWFULLY RESTRAIN ME
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BECAUSE THEY MISINTERPRET ANYTHING LESS AS WEAKNESS, LIKE DEALING WITH CHILD TRAFFICKING AND PEDOPHILE NETWORKS IN THAT NEW MOVIE.THEY DON'T STOP UNTIL THEY ARE STOPPED.
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION FOLLOW UP WITH KAT METRO TO STOP THIS ON THEIR END.
A P D FOLLOW UP WITH PEP AND HIS WIFE TO STOP THIS ON THEIRS.
MAY GOD GRANT US THE VICTORY OVER THIS EVIL.
AND WITH THAT, UM, WE ARE GONNA BE TAKING SOME MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WE'LL BE TAKING THAT ALONGSIDE THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEMS AS THEY COME UP.
[1. Approve the minutes of the PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION REGULAR CALLED MEETING on June 5, 2023 and SPECIAL CALLED MEETING on May 15, 2023.]
UP WILL BE OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.UM, SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN COPIES OF BOTH JUNE 5TH AND MAY 15TH MINUTES.
CAN I GET A MOTION FROM THE FLOOR TO A SECOND FROM THE FLOOR TO REVIEW OUR, OUR MINUTES, PLEASE? I SECOND.
I I HAVE A, I HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM.
A TEAM, UM, UNDER THE LIST OF ATTENDEES, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOLLOWING, UH, THE RULES OF ORDER.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE MY NAME AS, UH, ONE OF THE ATTENDEES FOR, UH, THE LAST, SO, UM, I DEFINITELY WANNA VOTE IN FAVOR WITH THE MODIFICATION.
SO JUNE 5TH, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'LL GET YOU ADDED TO THE JUNE 5TH.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS, CHANGES? OKAY, WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA ADD ANN SMITH.
COMMISSIONER SMITH, I THINK I REMEMBER THAT YOU JOINED US UNEXPECTEDLY FOR THE LAST MEETING, SO THAT'S GREAT.
UM, AND THEN, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE MINUTES WITH THAT.
UM, CAN WE, COMMISSIONER RUTAN APPROVE.
HALL MARTIN APPROVE COMMISSIONER APPROVE.
COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, UM, APPROVE AS TO MAY 15TH AND ABSTAIN ON JUNE 5TH.
AND COMMISSIONER SMITH APPROVED.
CHAIR WAS, WAS THAT FOR THE MAY 15 MINUTES? I THINK WE TOOK A VOTE FOR BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT ABSTAINING ON THE MAY.
JUNE 5TH, WE, WE VOTED ON BOTH.
SORRY, RULE OF ORDER THEN I NEED TO, UM, ABSTAIN FROM THE MAY CAUSE I WASN'T ACTUALLY AT THE MAY.
I WAS AT THE JUNE SAM OPPOSITE OF, OKAY, SO THAT WAS COMMISSIONER HALL MARTIN, THAT GAVE OUR SECOND GAVE, THANK YOU.
AND COMMISSIONER SMITH WILL BE ABSTAINING ON THE MAY 15TH VOTE.
I STILL THINK WE HAVE SIX TOTAL FOR EACH.
AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THE STAFF BRIEFINGS ARE HERE SO THAT WE CAN ADD BACKUP MATERIALS TO FOLLOW TO, UM, TO RESPONSES TO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
THOSE HAVE BEEN POSTED TO THE BACKUP, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE.
UM, AND THEN ITEM THREE AGAIN IS ALSO JUST ADDED FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY, SO WE CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL BACKUP MATERIALS POSTED TO THE RECORD WITH REGARDS TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS.
[4. Public Safety Quarterly Report – Austin Police Department ]
ON TO PUBLIC SAFETY QUARTERLY REPORT FROM A P D CHAIR.WE HAVE THE SPEAKER, MR. LEON IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM FOUR.
COMMISSIONER LEON, YOU CAN, I MEAN, SORRY, MR. LIT.
LEON, YOU CAN COME UP AND GIVE YOUR PEOPLE A COMMENT, MAYBE SOMEDAY.
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FIRST AND FOREMOST, GRACIAS FOR LETTING ME EXPOSE CAT METRO PROBLEMS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING APDS PUBLIC SAFETY REPORT.THE WHY I'M SPEAKING BEFORE APDS REPORT IS SHOWN AND DISCUSSED.
I KNOW CAT METRO'S UNNECESSARY CALLS AND BROKEN ONLINE CUSTOMER COMMENT FORM EXACERBATE, UNDERSTAFFED A P D WORKLOAD AND LONGER RESPONSE TIMES AGAIN AND AGAIN.
KAT METRO WRONGLY CALLS A P D ON ME FOR RIGHTLY NOT ALLOWING A PUBLIC SERVANT BUS DRIVER OR SUPERVISOR TO VIOLATE MY CIVIL RIGHTS.
TYPICALLY, A BLACK FEMALE DRIVER TRIES TO WRONGLY FEMINIST FLIRT WITH ME BY TRYING TO CONFUSE AND CONTROL ME TO EFFEMINATE AND EMASCULATE ME BY TRYING TO MAKE ME MOVE MY GEAR AND OR SIT WHERE SHE WANTS INSTEAD OF WHERE I LAWFULLY CHOOSE.
WHEN I RIGHTLY REFUSE TO NOT ACCOMMODATE OR SERVE HER TO NOT ALLOW HER TO BULLY ME, SHE WRONGLY CALLS SECURITY CLAIMING SHE FEELS UNSAFE AROUND ME AND OR THREATENED BY ME RESULTING IN A P D QUICKLY RESPONDING, EXPECTING THE WORST YET ARRIVING OFFICERS SEE ME PEACEFULLY BY MY GEAR AWAY FROM THE DRIVER.
AS SOON AS I SHOW AND EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED, THEY DEFERRED TO A CAT METRO SUPERVISOR TO LEAVE ASAP TO RESPOND TO REAL CALLS.
STILL THOSE TIME-WASTING CALLS SLOW A P D RESPONSE TO THOSE IN REAL NEED.
AND NOW KAT METRO IS STOPPING ME FROM DOCUMENTING THIS PROBLEM WITH THEM.
WITHIN SECONDS OF FILING A COMPLAINT, KAT METRO'S AUTOMATED ONLINE CUSTOMER COMMENT SYSTEM NORMALLY SENDS BACK AN EMAIL WITH A CCR NUMBER SHOWING CAT METRO RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT AND PROVIDING AN IDENTIFYING REFERENCE FOR THE ELECTRONIC PAPER TRAIL.
HOWEVER, SINCE JULY 6TH, THOSE RETURN EMAILS SUDDENLY STOPPED.
MEANING NOW THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE CAT METRO RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT AND NO CCR NUMBER FOR IT.
IMPLYING CAT METRO JUST ISN'T HEARING IT ANYMORE, DESPITE ME CALLING OUT THIS PROBLEM TO THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE BY EMAIL AND TO THEIR SECURITY THROUGH THEIR PORTAL AND PROBLEMS REQUIRING A P D ATTENTION LIKE CAT METRO OPERATOR 3 0 1 0 9 ZEROS HARASSMENT AGAINST ME ON THE BUS AND HER ALLEGED HUSBAND PEPPI HARASSMENT AGAINST ME OFF THE BUS ARE APPARENTLY NOT BEING OFFICIALLY RECORDED, MUCH LESS ADDRESSED THIS UNACCEPTABLE UPSIDE DOWN ASS BACKWARD INSANITY MUST BE MADE RIGHT SIDE UP FORWARD ASAP.
THEREFORE, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION FOLLOW UP WITH CAP METRO ASAP TO FIX THEIR ONLINE CUSTOMER COMMENT SYSTEM.
SO IT AGAIN, SENDS OUT THE RETURN EMAIL WITH THE CCR NUMBER UPON RECEIPT OF A COMPLAINT.
AND A P D TELL KAT METRO TO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND RESOURCES WITH B******T.
MAY GOD GRANT US THE VICTORY OVER EVIL.
WE COULD HAVE APD COME UP FOR QUARTERLY REPORT, CHIEF MASON AND IS, UM, DR.
IS IS, UM, JONATHAN K CREN JOINING US AS WELL.
HE'S, HE'S VIRTUALLY ATTENDING.
WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.
I'M ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CHIEFS OF THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, CHIEF ROBIN HENDERSON IS OUT TODAY, SO I'LL BE FILLING IN FOR HER FOR THE COURTLY REPORT AS WELL AS THE DPS REPORT.
UM, IF WE GO TO, UH, SLIDE ONE, OUR NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THEY, WE'VE HAD SOME STAFF STAFFING, UH, CHALLENGES WITHIN DR.
UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE DID LOSE A MEMBER OF HIS TEAM, UH, SADLY SO, UH, THEY WERE GENEROUS AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS REPORT TO US.
SO IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO UNFORTUNATELY FIND SOMEONE TO FILL HIS ROLE.
SO, UH, BUT, UH, TODAY WE DO HAVE THIS REPORT FOR YOU.
SO, UH, IF WE LOOK AT THE, THE VERY FIRST LIE, WHICH IS THE CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS, UM, WE ARE DOWN, UH, 12%.
UH, MOST ALL OF THE, UH, MAJOR CRIMES ARE, ARE DOWN OR IN THE NEGATIVE.
UH, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, DR.
CREN GROUP AS WELL AS THE CHIEF, HAVE LOOKED AT THIS MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS WITH THE DATA.
AND THIS WAS THE, UH, Q3 WHEN, UH, DPS WAS HERE.
CREN REPORTED LAST TIME, THE NUMBERS WERE, WERE DOWN.
AND IT DEFINITELY REFLECTS ALSO IN THE, IN THE, IN THE RAW NUMBERS THEMSELVES OF, OF THE CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS.
UH, IF, IF WE MOVE ON TO, UH, CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY, UH, HERE AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY A FEW REDS, BUT ALSO, UH, DEFINITELY A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE, UH, CRIME AS, AS REPORTED, UH, THAT IS ALSO DOWN.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF UPTICKS, BUT OF COURSE, SMALL NUMBERS RESULT
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IN BIG CHANGES, UH, PERCENTAGE WISE.UM, SO CRIMES AGAINST PERSON, CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY IS, IS ALSO DOWN.
UH, CRIMES AGAINST CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, UH, THIS IS MOSTLY ALL YOUR DRUG, UH, DRUG VIOLATIONS AS WELL AS GAMBLING AND STUFF.
UH, THOSE REPORT PERCENTAGES ARE, ARE IN, IN THE UP.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ARRESTS, WHICH I'LL, I'LL SHOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES WHERE THE DETECTIVES, I'VE CLEARED SEVERAL OF THE CASES.
UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF THE DRUG VIOLATIONS, UH, PORNOGRAPHY, GAMBLING, ET CETERA, PROSTITUTION, CRIMES AGAINST ACTUAL PERSONS OR SOCIETY, UH, IS, IS IN THE, UH, UH, THE NUMBERS THAT ARE REPORTED.
UH, THE NEXT THREE SLIDES GO OVER THE, UH, CLEARANCE RATES THAT DETECTIVES ARE USING.
I DON'T THINK THESE ARE NORMALLY, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK THESE ARE NORMALLY, UH, IN THIS REPORT, UH, BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT 'EM BRIEFLY.
UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT THE DETECTIVES ARE WORKING AND THEY'RE CLEARING WITH WITHIN EACH QUARTER, UH, AND IT DOES GO THROUGH THE NEXT SLIDES OF PRIME, UH, LIKE THE LAST FEW SLIDES OF PROPERTY SOCIETY AS WELL AS PERSONS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN THOUGH THE DETECTIVES ARE, UH, HAVING TO FILL IN FOR BACKFILL ON OUR EVENING SHIFTS, UH, THAT THEY'RE ALSO BUSY WORKING THEIR CASELOAD, UH, SOME CASELOADS ARE DEFINITELY, UM, DELAYED BECAUSE OF THE TIMES THAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND OUT THERE ON PATROL TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUT AND BACK UP, UH, OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE IN NEED ON THE EVENING SHIFTS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL WORKING THEIR CASES ON A REGULAR BASIS, UH, UH, BUT THEY'RE COMING IN, UH, ON THEIR ADDITIONAL HOURS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THIS CASELOAD.
BUT OF COURSE, IT'S A STRUGGLING ACT FOR THEM, AND SOMETIMES THEY JUST, IT JUST GETS AHEAD OF THEM.
AND THEN THIS GOES OVER THE CLEARANCE RATE, UH, 443 OUT OF 4 44, UH, CLEARANCE RATES AGAINST PROPERTY.
AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT GOES OVER, OVER THE, UH, CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY AND 583 OUTTA 583.
UH, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE GO ONTO THE, UH, RESPONSE TIMES AND CALL VOLUMES.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE OVER THE CITY IS 10 MINUTES AND 44 SECONDS FOR OUR P ZERO AND P ONE CALLS, WHICH ARE OUR EMERGENCY AND URGENT CALLS.
UM, AND THEN THAT SHOWS, UH, APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE, 10 58, 11 49, AND 1110.
AND OUR CALL VOLUME IS, UH, RANGING FROM RIGHT AROUND 7,000, 7,000 TO, UH, ALMOST, UH, 7,800 HUNDRED CALLS, UM, PER EACH MONTH THAT COME INTO 9 1 1.
UH, SO THIS ACTUALLY BREAKS IT DOWN INTO DISTRICTS.
UH, WE THINK OF IN, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICTS, WE THINK OF IN DISTRICTS AMONGST THE CITY.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, BUT EACH ONE OF THESE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR AREAS, UH, OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT YOU REPRESENT.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOWEST TIMES, WHICH IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT, THREE OF EIGHT MINUTES FOR PARTY ZERO, UH, TO, UH, THE HIGHEST, WHICH IS IN, UH, WHICH IS, UH, SOUTHEAST AUSTIN IS, UH, OUR PARTY ZERO IS 1124.
UH, BUT EACH ONE OF THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS IS BROKEN DOWN INTO HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES FOR OFFICERS, UH, ONCE THEY GET THE CALL TO BE ABLE TO GET ON SCENE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THAT RANGES FROM ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT MINUTES TO, UH, 1124.
AND THAT'S REPRESENTED FROM THE LAST SLIDE OF THE AVERAGE WAS 10 44.
UH, RESPONSE TIME FOR P ZEROS V ONE S.
SO, IF WE BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER OF CALLS, THE P ZEROS, P ONE S, UH, VOLUME BY MONTH FOR Q3 OF 2 0 23, UM, THE BLUE REPRESENTS THE URGENT CALLS AND THE GRAYISH REPRESENTS THE P ZERO CALLS.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, ON AVERAGE, IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE, IT'S AROUND 3000 FOR THE P ZERO CALLS THAT WE RECEIVE EVERY MONTH, AS WELL AS UP TO 4,700 FOR THE, UH, P ONE CALLS.
UH, THAT'S RE THAT, THAT IS RECEIVED EVERY MONTH.
UH, SO THIS REPRESENTS OUR Q3, UM, OUR BUDGETED OVERTIME THROUGH, UH, SIX 17 OF 2023.
AND THIS IS OUR OVERTIME VERSUS ACTUAL OVERTIME.
OUR, OUR BUDGET OVERTIME IS, UH, 7.7 MILLION.
AND RIGHT NOW, UM, AS YOU KNOW, OUR OVERTIME, WE'VE, WE WERE HAVING TO, SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE DOWN, UH, OVER 300 OFFICERS, WE'RE HAVING TO BACKFILL OFFICERS ON NIGHT SHIFT, UH, BY USING OVERTIME.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN COSTLY, OF COURSE.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR OVERTIME BUDGET FOR IS AT, AT 28 MILLION.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU LOOK AT OUR OVERALL PERSONAL BUDGET'S 338 MILLION, BUT WE ARE AT 256.
SO RIGHT NOW, UH, AS OF SIX 17, WE'RE 76% SPENT
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IN, IN, IN OUR BUDGET.SO WE'RE STILL UNDER BUDGET, BUT OUR OVERTIME IS, IS OVER BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE HAVING TO BACKFILL ALL THE, UH, PATROL SHIFTS THAT WE'RE VACANT ON.
UH, AND THIS KINDA LISTED OUT, UH, BY YEAR, UH, BACK FROM 1617 ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CURRENT YEAR.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT LAST YEAR, UH, WE WERE BUDGETED FOR 5.8 MILLION, AND WE ACTUALLY SPENT 22, UH, MILLION.
AND THEN THIS YEAR, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT, UH, WITH A JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE UNDER 8 MILLION BUDGET.
UH, IF WE LOOK AT OUR STAFFING LEVELS, OUR STAFFING LEVELS, WE ARE STAFFED FOR 1812.
UH, WE, WE HAVE FILLED 1496, AND WE HAVE AN OPERATIONAL VACANCIES OF 329, RIGHT, AS OF RIGHT NOW.
UH, IF YOU LOOK ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE, WE HAVE 552 FILLED.
UH, THIS INCLUDES 53 CADETS AND 90 TEMPS.
UH, AND WE HAVE A VACANCY OF 197.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT MOST OF THOSE 197 ARE WITHIN OUR, UH, NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE 47 PEOPLE DOWN ON OUR 9 1 1 SIDE, AND WE'RE, UH, 16 PEOPLE DOWN ON OUR DISPATCH SIDE.
SO MOST OF THOSE ARE, ARE ON OUR, OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER, AND THAT'S REPRESENTED ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, NEXT SLIDE SHOWS, UH, WHERE, WHERE CURRENTLY WE'RE AT.
UM, IT IS TAKING SOME TIME, AND I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER, WE MET WITH HIM THIS MORNING, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, UH, ACM MILLS ON STAFFING FOR 9 1 1 AND POLICE DISPATCHER.
WE DO HAVE, UH, SEVERAL CLASSES IN SESSION RIGHT NOW, UH, TO GET PEOPLE OUT AND GET THEM ON THE FLOOR, AS WELL AS NEXT WEEK, WE'RE STARTING SEVEN NEW NINE ONE ONE CALL TAKERS AND, AND, AND SEVEN, UH, DISPATCHERS, UH, THAT WILL BE GOING THROUGH TRAINING TO BE ABLE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BE, BE RELEASED ON THE FLOOR EVENTUALLY.
SO, UH, OUR DISPATCHERS, UH, IF, IF ALL SEVEN MAKE IT THROUGH ALL THE TRAINING, UH, THAT'LL CUT THAT IN HALF DOWN TO SEVEN.
THAT'LL BE A GREAT THING FOR US FOR SURE.
UH, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT INCENTIVES TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN PEOPLE AS WELL AS, UH, CONTINUE TO OFFER QUALIFIED PEOPLE INTO THE DOOR, UM, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM TRAINED AND GET THEM OUT ON THE FLOOR AND HELP US OUT.
BUT, UM, THE, THE THING THAT HURTS US RIGHT NOW IS THE 47 VACANCIES WITHIN 9 1 1.
SO, NEXT CLASS OR SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS IS KIND OF AN UPDATE ON, ON WHERE WE ARE AT CADET CLASS-WISE FOR STAFFING LEVELS.
UH, THE FIRST 3 41, 40 FIFTH, 1 46, AND ONE 47TH HAVE ALREADY GRADUATED AND ARE CURRENTLY ON THE STREET.
UH, AND THROUGH VARIOUS PHASES OF THEIR TRAINING, IF NOT ALREADY RELEASED, UH, THE 1 48 AND 1 49, THEY ARE IN THE ACADEMY RIGHT NOW.
THE 1 48 STARTED WITH 34 CADETS, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE 19 THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UH, STILL ENROLLED IN IN THAT CLASS.
UH, IF WE MOVED TO THE ONE 49TH, UM, WE STARTED 34 CADETS, AND WE HAVE, UH, UH, SO FAR, WE'VE ONLY LOST, UH, THREE CADETS OUT OF THAT CLASS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE 50TH AND THE ONE 51ST.
UH, THE ONE 50TH WILL BE A TRANSITIONAL OFFICER PROGRAM, OR WE CALL IT TOPS PROGRAM.
UH, WE ARE PREDICTED TO HAVE FIVE OFFICERS THAT ARE, WILL BE, UH, TRANSFERRING IN AND GOING THROUGH THE ACADEMY OR THE MODIFIED ACADEMY FOR THAT, AS WELL AS, UH, THE 1 51.
WHAT IS, WHICH IS BOTH OF THOSE CLASSES ARE PLANNED TO START ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 11TH, AND WE'RE PREDICTED TO HAVE 50, UH, CADETS IN THAT CLASS.
UH, LAST TIME I CHECKED, WE STILL HAD ABOUT 150 PEOPLE THAT WERE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, GOING THROUGH THEIR CHECKS, ET CETERA, TO BE ABLE TO BE IN THE 1 1 1 50 FIRST CLASS.
UH, THIS KINDA SHOWS THE, THE, THE STAFFING, UH, OVER THAT LAST FOUR YEARS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE 1959, WHICH IS IN 2020.
AND OF COURSE, THAT'S, UH, WHEN THE 150, UH, VACANTS POSITIONS WERE, UH, TAKEN AWAY FROM A P D THAT REDUCED US TO 1809.
UH, IT STAYED THE SAME IN 2022.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE INCREASED, UH, BY A FEW COUNSEL APPROVED THAT THE REALTIME CRIME CENTER WOULD RECEIVE SOME CIVILIANS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, WORK, WORK THE CAMERAS, ET CETERA LIKE THAT FOR THE HALO CAMERAS.
AND THAT INCREASED US TO, EXCUSE ME, 1812.
UH, THIS KIND OF, UH, DISPLAYS, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT ON SEPARATIONS FROM 20 TO, TO, UH, CURRENTLY CURRENT YEAR.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE LOST, UH, DUE TO SEPARATIONS, UH, OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN RECORD HIGHS, 1 35, 1 71 57.
AND CURRENTLY, UM, WE, WE ARE AT 1 29 AND WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.
SO, UH, SO FAR IF, IF THE TREND CONTINUES, WHICH HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T, UH, THIS WILL SHOULD BE A RECORD HIGH YEAR, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE IS, IT ACTUALLY BREAKS DOWN THIS YEAR, CURRENT YEAR.
UH, IT SHOWS THAT, UH, WE CURRENTLY, UH, HAVE 90, WE'VE HAD 90 RETIREMENTS, UH, 44 PEOPLE WILL RESIGN AND ONE, ONE TERMINATION, UH, OVER OVER THE COURSE OF THE 129
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THAT, UH, HAVE SEPARATED WITH A, WITH AP D.AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT? UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT REPORT.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT'S BEHIND THE DROP IN P ZERO AND P ONE CALLS IN JUNE FROM APRIL AND MAY? YEAH, SO IF DR.
CR HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, UH, ALSO HE, HE'S MORE THAN WELCOME TO, UH, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DR.
CRJA, BUT IT IS A, IT'S A RESULT FROM DPS BEING HERE AND ALLOWING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE, UH, THE AUXILIARY CALLS, UH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKER TO THOSE CALLS AND NOT HAVE SOMEONE AVAILABLE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UH, YOU, YOU'RE QUICKER TO TAKE A P THREE AND IT DOESN'T BECOME A P ONE? IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? NO, SO, SO P THREE S ARE, UH, NOT, UH, NOT IMMINENT THREAT TO PRI PROPERTY OR LIFE, UH, AND IT'S ALREADY OCCURRED.
UH, SO IT MEANS THAT AN OFFICER IS MORE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TAKE THAT CALL QUICKER.
UH, SO THEY WON'T HAVE ALL THE P ONE S BACKING UP.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT CALL QUICKER IN THE QUEUE.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CHANGES THE NUMBER OF P ONE S YOU GET IN A MONTH.
CUZ ISN'T THAT JUST INTAKE, IT'S WHAT'S COMING IN.
BUT IF DPS IS TAKING CRASHES, UH, THEY'RE TAKING OTHER MINORITY CALLS THAT THAT LEAVES AN OFFICER TO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THOSE.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE QUEUE QU QUICKER.
SO CRASHES ARE P ONE S? CORRECT.
UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WHETHER OR NOT A P D TRACKS WHERE OFFICERS ARE IN TERMS OF ELIGIBILITY FOR RETIREMENT AND TO KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA BE BIG INCREASES AT A PARTICULAR TIME? UM, SOME PEOPLE DON'T ANNOUNCE.
SOME PEOPLE DO ANNOUNCE WHEN THEY'RE GONNA RETIRE.
UM, WE KNOW, UH, BY STATISTICS OF, OF COURSE WHEN PEOPLE GRADUATE THE ACADEMY, WE KNOW WHO'S ELIGIBLE.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHO ANNOUNCES.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T ANNOUNCE AT ALL AND THEY'RE GONE THE NEXT DAY.
UH, SOME PEOPLE ANNOUNCE, UH, MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
IT JUST, IT JUST DEPENDS ON AN INDIVIDUAL'S PREFERENCE ON WHETHER THEY WANT THAT TO BE PUBLIC OR NOT.
BUT YOU, UH, YOU ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THE POOL OF POTENTIAL RETIREES LOOKS LIKE.
SO WHEN WE KNEW THAT WE WERE, UH, POTENTIALLY GOING OUTTA CONTRACT, WE KNEW EXACTLY HOW MANY OFFICERS WERE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE, UH, AND WE KNEW THAT COULD BE THE WORST CASE NUMBER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER SMITH OR HOLMES ONLINE? I'M JUST CHECKING IN WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS YOU.
OH, I'M GONNA DO COMMISSIONER PENA AND THEN I'LL BE OH, COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID CUZ OF STAFFING SHORTAGES THAT THIS INFORMATION MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE TO US NEXT MONTH OR, UH, WHEN YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING NO, UH, I, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THE, THE DR.
ING'S GROUP, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE, WE LOST A PERSON THAT NORMALLY DOES THESE REPORTS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO ON A SHORT NOTICE TO BE ABLE TO PULL THIS REPORT TOGETHER.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE IN THE FUTURE WE'LL HAVE FIGURED OUT WHO, WHO'S STAFFING WISE IS GONNA FOLLOW UP THE REPORTS.
BUT I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THIS REPORT MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE PAST REPORTS CUZ A DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBER WAS UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO, UH, PUT IT TOGETHER AND SO WE COULD PRESENT IT TODAY.
COMMISSIONER SMITH, I WAS WONDERING IF WE HAD AN AVERAGE FOR THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR WITHOUT, UM, D P S PARTNERSHIP, BECAUSE I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING HOW OUR CALL VOLUME WENT DOWN AND THAT'S ATTRIBUTED TO D P S, HOWEVER, IT APPEARS FROM ONE OF YOUR SLIDES THAT THE CALL TIME FROM APRIL, MAY AND JUNE ARE ACTUALLY INCREASING MERE SECONDS, BUT SECONDS ARE LIVES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND, AND WHAT I'M ASKING FOR SPECIFICALLY MAKES SENSE, DR.
CORIAN, DO YOU KNOW YEAH, IF YOU WANNA FLIP TO THE SLIDE, LIKE, UM, IT'LL GIVE US A BASIS FOR ME EXPLAINING IT.
DO YOU KNOW WHICH SLIDE THAT IS? NO, AND I, THAT'S ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER.
I'M NOT SEEING IT ON THE BACKUP AS WELL, BUT I MAY BE MISTAKEN.
I THINK IT'S SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT.
WAS IT THE BY DISTRICT SLIDE? THAT ONE? NO, NO, IT WAS THE AVERAGE ONE.
THE, THE ONE BEFORE THAT THEN YES.
AND SO IN, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, THE REASON THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT VERSUS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT, WHAT WE LARGELY TALK ABOUT PUBLICLY IS THAT THE INCREASES IN THE GAINS ARE ALWAYS IN THE P ZERO CATEGORY, RIGHT? P ZERO IS EMERGENCY, WHICH MEANS ONGOING.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CATEGORY OR CALLS THAT IF AN OFFICER ARRIVES, YOU MAY ENCOUNTER
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THE CRIME, RIGHT? YOU MAY ACTUALLY PROTECT SOMEONE FROM INJURY, UH, OR YOU MAY ENCOUNTER A SUSPECT WHO'S JUST LEFT.SO THOSE, THE P ZEROS ARE REALLY THE ONES THAT ARE OF MOST VALUE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN THE INCREASES BECAUSE OF TOTAL VOLUME WITH P ONE CALLS.
UH, THOSE JUST CONTINUE TO GROW PROPORTIONAL TO POPULATION IN THE CITY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND SO WHEN YOU AVERAGE BOTH OF THESE, UH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING JUST FOR AWARENESS THAT, UH, WE ARE WORKING ON ADDRESSING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES INTERNALLY AND WHAT'S OPERATIONALLY RELEVANT IS THE INDIVIDUAL P ZEROS VERSUS THE INDIVIDUAL P CATEGORY OF P ONE S.
RIGHT? UH, THE WAY THAT OUR, UH, CITYWIDE TARGET HAS SET UP HISTORICALLY IS BASED UPON BOTH TOGETHER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEPARATE AS FAR AS A PERFORMANCE MEASURE IN THE COMING YEAR, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR WHEN WE DISCUSS EACH ONE.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? IT DOES A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS LIKE THE SNAPSHOT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW, BUT IT DOESN'T HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE SNAPSHOT WITH CONTEXT.
THERE'S A, A MISSING PIECE OF THAT ANALYSIS I'M NOT HEARING IN ORDER TO MAKE IT D P S MADE BETTER
NO, AND, AND ABSOLUTELY IN THE SAME QUARTERLY REPORT FROM A YEAR AGO RIGHT? YOU WOULD FIND THE COMPARABLE INFORMATION MADE THE COMPARISON, THE, THE PROBLEM FOR MAKING THE COMPARISON, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTS.
ONE IS THE AGGREGATION OF ADDING P ONES AND P ZEROS TOGETHER AND SAYING, LET'S LOOK AT OUR RESPONSE TIME TO THIS ENTIRE RIGHT.
TO EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH ARE, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL DISTRICT BREAKDOWNS THAT THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN HOW FAST WE GET TO A P ZERO VERSUS A P ONE.
RIGHT? UM, THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT'S IMPORTANT IN IT IS THAT YOU HAVE A, A TEMPORAL AGGREGATION PROBLEM AND THAT A QUARTER IN THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T ACTUALLY REFLECT THE EXACT TIME THAT D PS WAS HERE.
RIGHT? SO THE QUARTER'S GONNA INCLUDES MOSTLY D P S, BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS OTHER POINT IN IT.
AND WHAT WE SAW, UH, IN THE OTHER BREAKDOWNS THAT WE, THAT WE, WE GAVE AND WERE MAKING AVAILABLE THROUGH COUNSEL AND WE SENT YOU ALL THE LINK TOO, UM, IS MUCH MORE CLEAR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXACT TIME PERIODS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
AND WITH THAT, OH, COMMISSIONER RUTAN.
AND I THINK UNLESS WE HAVE, DO WE ANTICIPATE ANYMORE? CUZ I THINK THAT MIGHT BE OUR LAST QUESTION.
DO I NEED, DO I NEED TO HOLD THIS ON OR IS IT ON, UM, APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTIES WITH YOUR STAFF TURNOVER AND CHANGES.
JUST TWO QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE DATA COLLECTION BEING NEW TO THIS COMMISSION.
SO IN TERMS OF THE CLEARANCES, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DENOMINATORS ARE IN THERE.
SO I SEE THE CLEARANCE NUMBERS, BUT WHAT'S I, I IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE DECREASED PERCENTAGES FROM QUARTER TO QUARTER, YEAR TO YEAR.
LIKE WHEN I SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, 2 25 CLEARANCES FOR AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, HOW MANY ARE, ARE NOT CLEAR WHAT FRACTION OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY BEING, BEING ADDRESSED.
I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT IT FROM A WORKLOAD.
IS THAT AVAILABLE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AT SOME POINT WE CAN SEE? YEAH, SO THIS HAS BEEN, THIS IS, UH, I APPRECIATE, IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THIS HAS, UH, BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON INTERNALLY.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT IT AT LENGTH.
THE CHALLENGE OF THE DENOMINATOR RELATES TO A, EFFECTIVELY WHAT IS A VIABLE BUSINESS PROCESS.
SO WHEN WE THINK A QUARTER OF DATA, UH, WHAT IS THE CORRECT DENOMINATOR WHEN SOME CASES MAY BE SOLVED IN A DAY AND IN SOME CASES MAY BE SOLVED IN A YEAR.
SO WHAT'S THE RELEVANT SET, RIGHT? MM.
UM, AND SO THE, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT THE METRICS ARE GIVING US SOMETHING THAT'S VIABLE, SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE AND THAT THE SIMPLE INTERPRETATION OF WOULD SUPPORT A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING.
WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THIS INTERNALLY.
UH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH, UH, A FORMER, UH, RECENTLY WITH A FORMER COMMISSIONER.
UM, AND WE, I THINK INDICATED INFORMALLY THAT WE'RE WORKING IN THE DIRECTION OF MOVING TOWARD RATES.
UH, WE HAD HELPED TO PROVIDE RATES ACTUALLY, AND THIS RELATES TO THE, THE LOSS OF PERSONNEL.
UH, WE HAD HOPED TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF BEGINNING TO PROVIDE RATES AT, AT BEGINNING IN THIS QUARTERLY REPORT.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, GIVEN THE LOSS, THAT'S, UH, CREATED A CHALLENGE FOR US.
SO, UM, IT WILL, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WORK THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMISSION TO TRY TO HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY OF PRESENTING IT IS.
UM, YOU HAVE SOME, JUST SOME PECULIARITIES WITHOUT KNOWING THE CORRECT DENOMINATOR WHERE YOU CAN GET, WE'VE CLOSED OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT, RIGHT? YOU CAN ALSO END UP WITH, UH, UH, SORT OF CHANGES WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DOING BETTER, BUT YOU'RE REALLY NOT.
IT'S JUST, UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
YEAH, THAT DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE.
I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTIES AND THE DATA THERE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S DEALING WITH A CAR BREAK OR A CAR ROBBERY, KNOWING SOME OF THOSE RATES OF, OF CLOSURE CAN BE, CAN BE HELPFUL
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FOR EFFECTIVENESS.SO, BUT APPRECIATE THE WORK ON IT.
AND WITH THAT, I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE CLOSING QUESTION THAT I FORGOT ABOUT.
UM, JUST WITH REGARDS TO OVERTIME, I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS AT 28 MILLION.
HAVE YOU HAD TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM COUNSEL TO DATE OR IS THAT STILL COMING FROM PERSONNEL FUNDS? UH, RIGHT NOW NOT, NO, BECAUSE WE'RE 76% WITHIN OUR BUDGET, THREE QUARTERS.
SO IF, IF EVERYTHING HOLDS TRUE, LIKE LAST YEAR, THAT WE SHOULD BE WITHIN THE OVERALL BUDGET, SO.
AND LAST, AND LAST YEAR THAT WAS THE CASE AS WELL.
YOU, YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET? YES MA'AM.
IN SPITE OF THE OVERTIME OVERAGES? YES, MA'AM.
AND I THINK THAT WRAPS THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD
[5. APD Overtime Pay and Payroll Processing and possible recommendation to City Council ]
AND MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE.WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT A P D OVERTIME PAY AND PAYROLL PROCESSING.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH.
WE CAN HAVE SCOTT PERRY FROM A P D UP.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO BELIEVE, UM, MR. VIAL IS GONNA BE SPEAKING BRIEFLY AND DO, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
MR. MILLS, WILL YOU BE SPEAKING OR ARE YOU JUST HERE TO SAY HI
MY NAME IS SCOTT PERRY AND I'M ONE ASSISTANT CHIEF WITH A P D.
I'M JUST HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP REGARDING SOME DELAY IN OVERTIME, UH, PAYMENTS, UH, THAT HAS BEEN A TOPIC THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
BEFORE I TAKE SOME QUESTIONS FROM EVERYBODY, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL INFORMATION SO WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, AS CHIEF MASON JUST DESCRIBED, OUR OVERTIME EXPENDITURES HAVE, UH, GONE WAY UP OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
AND ABOUT A YEAR AGO, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UH, OUR OFFICERS HAVE BEGUN TO WORK MORE OVERTIME THAN THEY EVER HAVE IN THE PAST WITH THAT INCREASED NUMBER OF OVERTIME.
UH, WE ARE STILL ON A PAPER OVERTIME SHEET, UH, PROCESS.
SO WHEN YOU FILL OUT, WHEN YOU WORK MORE OVERTIME, YOU'RE GONNA FILL OUT MORE OVERTIME SHEETS THAT INCREASE IN OVERTIME SHEETS THAT HAVE TO BE PROCESSED BY THE PERSONNEL THAT ARE IN, UH, PAYROLL IS GOING TO REALLY PUT THEM BEHIND THE, THE EIGHT BALL.
UH, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
WE HAD SOME STAFFING CHALLENGES, UH, WITH SOME VERY KEY PEOPLE THAT LEFT THAT DEPARTMENT, UH, LEFT THAT UNIT, WHICH RESULTED IN A, A BACKLOG.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A NEW SUPERVISOR THAT HAS BEEN HIRED.
SHE CAME IN AT A VERY DIFFICULT TIME.
UH, SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THAT, UH, UNIT TURNED BACK AROUND.
UH, AND, AND THEY'RE FULLY STAFFED RIGHT NOW.
THEY'VE ALSO HIRED SOME TEMPS.
UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT SOME ISSUES THAT WE HAD REGARDING, UH, THE, THE PROCESSING OF THE OVERTIME SHEETS THEMSELVES.
WE WERE ABLE TO PUSH THOSE DOWN TO THE COMMAND LEVEL SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH, UH, MANY DIFFERENT APPROVAL LEVELS BECAUSE, UH, WITH OVERTIME SHEETS THAT ARE PAPER, UH, THE MORE HANDS THAT ARE ON THEM, THE MORE CHANCES THERE ARE FOR ERRORS TO OCCUR.
SO, UH, WE'VE PUSHED THAT BACK DOWN TO THE ACTUAL COMMANDS THAT HAS HELPED US, UH, GET AHEAD OF THE PROBLEM.
UH, I CAN SAY THAT FROM OUR OVERTIME EXPENDITURES, THE ONES THAT WERE LATE, THEY WERE ALWAYS, UH, WITHIN A FEW PAY PERIODS, STILL NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL FOR ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES TO NOT RECEIVE THE COMPENSATION THAT THEY'RE DESERVED AND THAT THEY'VE WORKED.
BUT I CAN ALSO SAY THAT WE ARE IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE ARE OCCASIONAL OVERTIME SHEETS THAT COME IN LATE OR THAT AREN'T PROCESSED BY THE DEADLINE, BY THE PAYROLL DEADLINE, AND THEY'RE USUALLY CAUGHT UP ON THE NEXT PAY PERIOD.
BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM OF, UH, LATE OVERTIME SHEETS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND WE ARE IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE THAN WE WERE IN THE PAST.
I CAN ALSO SAY THAT THE CITY IS TRANSITIONING FROM THE PAPER TIME SHEET AND OVERTIME FORM PROGRAM TO A NEW ELECTRONIC FORM FORMAT.
AND WE HOPE THAT, UM, THAT WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS. THE ONLY ISSUE IS APD IS NOT SLATED TO START TAKING PART OF THAT PROGRAM UNTIL SOMETIME IN FY 24, PROBABLY Q3 OR Q4 OF, OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO, UH, WE JUST ARE GONNA CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
WE THINK WE HAVE THE PROBLEM TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE STILL OCCASIONAL, UH, HICCUPS AND ISSUES AND WHEN THOSE DO COME UP, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THEM, UH, PROMPTLY.
I ACTUALLY JUST, I COMMISSIONER, IT'S COMMISSIONER BERNHARD, BUT I HAD ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GO.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY, I HAD, I HAD WARNED EMS AND FIRE THAT I WAS JUST GONNA CHECK IN WITH THEM WITH REGARDS TO OVERTIME PAYROLL PROCESSING.
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ARE YOU GUYS ALSO ON A PAPER SYSTEM OR IS IT ELECTRONIC PROCESSING? JUST TRYING TO GET A HANDLE OF ANY POTENTIAL LIKE DIFFERENCES AND LEVELING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS.HI, I'M THERESA GARDNER, CHIEF OF STAFF FOR THE EMS DEPARTMENT, AND WE ARE NOT ON PAPER TIME SHEETS.
THE MAJORITY OF OUR FIELD STAFF IS NOT ON PAPER TIME SHEETS.
OUR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ARE, BUT NOT OUR, OUR FIELD STAFF.
I THINK THE, UM, NEW PROGRAM THAT, UH, CHIEF JUST REFERRED TO AS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALREADY ON, WE USE TELESTAFF AS A, UM, ONLINE SCHEDULING THAT'S, SO IT'S PRE-POPULATED, UM, WITH WORK TIME, VACATION TIME, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND WE, THAT FEEDS INTO OUR BANNER PAYROLL SYSTEM.
AND THERE'S, UM, ONGOING AUDITS JUST VERY HIGH LEVEL.
IT'S JUST VERY, UM, ONCE IT'S SUBMITTED, THERE'S UM, SOME VERIFICATION THAT THE TIME IS ENTERED IF WE HAVE ANY OVERTIME OR EVEN PAYROLL ISSUES, IT MAY BE RELATED TO LIKE AN EARLY CLOSE ON PAYROLL THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOLIDAY.
UH, SOMETIMES THINGS DO GET SUBMITTED LATE IF THERE'S EXTRA TIME THAT AN EMPLOYEE WORKS, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO EMAIL THAT TO THE TIMEKEEPERS.
UM, AND THAT MAY GET IN TOO LATE OR IT MAY GET OVERLOOKED, BUT THAT IS USUALLY RECTIFIED WITHIN A PAY CYCLE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEMIC ISSUE EITHER.
TOM BOKEY, AUSTIN FIRE ASSISTANT CHIEF.
UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT WE DO.
UH, OUR BC TIMEKEEPING IS A SYSTEM BUILT BY AFD.
UH, OUR PAYROLL GROUP USES THAT DIGITAL FORMAT TO PUT IT IN THE BANNER.
WE ARE NEXT UP FOR THE U K G, WHICH IS, UH, WE PLAN TO START MOVING INTO THE U K G, WHICH IS THE NEW TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM IN OCTOBER.
SO THAT'S, UH, FROM THERE, HOPEFULLY BY BY MID NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE FULLY INTO THAT NEW SYSTEM.
SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH, UH, PAYROLL, UH, AT A TIME BEING PAID ON TIME.
MY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS THE, UH, IS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, A P D STAYED ON PAPER PROCESSING ALL THIS TIME? WAS IT, IS IT A, A BUDGET CONSTRAINT? IS IT AN OPERATIONAL DECISION? LIKE WHAT YES.
IT'S AN OPERATIONAL DECISION THROUGH THE CITY.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MANAGE THE PAYROLL SYSTEM.
UH, WE'RE JUST A USER OF IT AND THROUGH THEIR ROLLOUT PRO PROGRAM IN THEIR PROCESS, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE DECISION ON WHO GETS INTO THE SYSTEM NEXT.
UH, A P D HISTORICALLY HAS A VERY CONFUSING AND DIFFICULT, UM, TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR OFFICERS ARE SCHEDULED AND THE, THE FOUR TENS THAT SOME WORK AND THE FIVE EIGHTS THAT OTHERS WORK, IT'S JUST A VERY DIFFICULT SYSTEM, UH, TO, TO MANAGE.
SO I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ALL OF THE BUGS WORKED OUT FIRST AND THEN IT'LL EVENTUALLY COME OVER TO A P D.
I WAS GONNA, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO THAT TOO.
I'M SURE THAT THAT, UH, CHIEF PERRY, WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS WHAT I JUST WAS TOLD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FROM REBECCA KENNEDY, OUR HR INTERIM HR DIRECTOR, THAT IT WAS KIND OF A PHASE IN BY DEPARTMENT AND AT THE TIME THEY WERE GOING TO DEPARTMENTS WITH 1800 OR SO FOLKS WERE GONNA BE SOME OF THE LAST AND WE'RE GONNA KIND OF PLAY AROUND WITH SMALLER DEPARTMENTS, EMS AND, AND WE, WE BOUGHT A LOT OF CHARCOAL AND PAPER AND STUFF A LONG TIME AGO FOR POLICE.
WE WANTED 'EM TO USE ALL THAT UP BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, SWITCH OVER TO, YOU KNOW, GREAT TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S COMING.
SO I THINK A LOT OF, A LOT OF STEPS HAD BEEN TAKEN, UH, THANKS TO A P D HR AS WELL AS, AS AS CORPORATE HR TO, TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS WITH THE, UH, OVERTIME GETTING PAID.
I KNOW IT WAS WITH POLICE ASSOCIATION AND, AND ALL THE OFFICERS TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY WORK THE, THE EXCESSIVE HOURS OR HAVING TO WORK FROM THE, WHAT WE DESCRIBED A WHILE AGO WITH THE SHORTAGES, THAT THE ONE THING IS THE PRIORITY FOR US IS MAKE SURE THEY GET PAID.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, MY, I READ A LITTLE BIT OF THE ARTICLES ON THIS TOPIC AND ONE OF THEM MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES IS A P D OFFICERS TURNING IN THEIR TIME SHEETS, UH, PAST THE DEADLINE.
UM, IS THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT OVERTIME IS NOT PAID TIMELY OR ARE THERE OTHER REASONS? THAT'S A REASON, RIGHT.
UM, IF, IF OVERTIME SHEETS ARE NOT SUBMITTED OR ARE SUBMITTED AFTER THE DEADLINE, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY WON'T BE ON THAT PAY PERIOD.
THERE CAN BE, UM, THE APPROVALS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PAPERWORK, UM, IF IT GOES THROUGH MULTIPLE CHANNELS THAT, I MEAN MULTIPLE PEOPLE'S HANDS, THEN THERE CAN BE PROBLEMS WITH CLERICAL ERRORS.
UM, JUST LOSING THE OVERTIME SHEET, IT NOT BEING PUT INTO THE RIGHT FOLDER, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT WERE INPUTTING THE OVERTIME SHEETS.
UM, FOR THE VOLUME THAT WAS COMING IN, IT WAS FINE WHEN THERE WAS A LOWER VOLUME, BUT WHEN YOU INCREASE THAT VOLUME, THEN THEIR BANDWIDTH OBVIOUSLY, UH, IS DIMINISHED.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, BESIDES PUSHING
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THOSE SUBMISSION, OR BESIDES PUSHING THE INPUTTING OF THE OVERTIME SHEETS DOWN TO THE COMMAND LEVEL, WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INPUTTING THOSE INTO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM.SO THEY'RE TAKING, THEY'RE TRANSCRIBING IT FROM THOSE PAPER OVER TIME LOGS INTO THE BANNER SYSTEM, WHICH THEN, UM, GETS THE OFFICER OR THE, THE CIVILIAN STAFF PAID ON TIME.
SO IT'S KIND OF A CULMINATION OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO CURRENTLY THE COMMANDERS ARE DOING THE INPUT? NO, THE ADMIN STAFF THAT WORKS AT THE COMMANDS.
IT'S JUST THE COMMAND LEVEL, RIGHT? I WAS LIKE, NO, THAT, THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.
AND ALSO, UM, MR. VIE, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SOME, YOU WERE GONNA COME UP AS WELL.
WE CAN CONTINUE TAKING QUESTIONS, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA NOT GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK YOU.
I'M DETECTIVE THOMAS VIAL, UM, PRESIDENT OF OFFICE POLICE ASSOCIATION.
UM, WHEN I TOOK OVER THE APA BACK IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, UM, HAD A NUMBER OF OUR MEMBERS CONTINUING TO EXPERIENCE, UM, ISSUES WITH, UH, PROMPT PAYMENTS.
SO WE ACTUALLY CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE USED SURVEYMONKEY OR, OR KIND OF WHAT FORM THAT WE USE, BUT WE REACHED OUT JUST SAYING, HEY, LIKE, ARE YOU OWED TIME? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S ROAD TIME? IF SO, HOW MUCH? UM, AND IF SO, HOW FAR BACK? UM, AND THEN ACTUALLY TOOK THAT INFORMATION TO CHIEF PERRY, UH, TO SAY LIKE, HEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THIS IS, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BELIEF THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE, UM, WORKED THROUGH IT.
UM, Y YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, UM, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A NEWS ARTICLE THAT WAS DONE PROBABLY SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, UM, WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.
UM, EVERY, YOU KNOW, COUPLE WEEKS YOU, YOU GET ONE OR TWO OFFICERS REACH OUT, UM, WE KIND OF HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE INSTRUCT THEM TO GO THROUGH WITH, WITH HR, UM, TO TRY TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION.
AND THEN, UM, WHEN I WAS CONTACTED HERE ABOUT THE MOST RECENT INTERVIEW, UM, TALKED TO THE MEDIA THEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, HASN'T HASN'T BEEN AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM.
IT SEEMS LIKE WHATEVER CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE ARE WORKING A LITTLE BIT.
WE STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE ARE MISTAKES PROBABLY EVERY TWO WEEKS.
UM, I HAD A MISTAKE ON MY PAYCHECK THIS PAST WEEK.
THE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHIEF PERRY SAID, JUST THE, THE SHEER NUMBER OF, OF OVERTIME HOURS THAT ARE BEING WORKED BY OUR FOLKS.
UM, I RECOGNIZE THAT MISTAKES ARE, ARE GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, BUT, UH, I, I AM THANKFUL THAT, THAT THE CITY'S TAKEN IT SERIOUSLY AND, AND, UM, ARE WORKING WITH US TO TRY TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEMS. UM, I RECOGNIZE WHY THERE'S A, WHY THIS NEW SYSTEM IS BEING LAID OUT THE WAY THAT IT IS.
UM, IT, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DON'T WAIT UNTIL Q3, Q4 OF, OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO, TO GET THIS ON BOARD AND ROLLING, BUT THAT'S NOT A, A DECISION THAT ANYONE'S GONNA LISTEN TO THE APA ABOUT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND THEN I'LL GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THIS THE, THE SAME PAPER PROCESSING SYSTEM, WHAT IS IN PLACE FOR CIVILIAN STAFF AS WELL? OR IS THIS JUST FOR SWORN? IT IS, IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE FOR CIVILIANS.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT NINE ONE ONE CALL TAKERS ARE ALSO DEALING WITH, WITH THE OVERTIME AND STUFF THAT IS BEING USED? SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHETHER THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, CALL TAKERS THAT IT HAS AFFECTED.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE OTHER CIVILIAN STAFF, UM, BACK WHEN, UH, FORENSICS WAS UNDER US BEFORE THEY BECAME THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT.
THERE WERE SOME DELAYED PAYMENTS IN THE FORENSIC SIDE OF THINGS.
UH, ALSO, BUT THOSE, LIKE I SAID, THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED AND WE, WE, WE THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT NOW.
AND I'M GONNA QUICK HOG IN THE MIC, I'M GONNA MAKE A QUICK COMMISSIONER.
NGU, I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION FOR CHIEF GARDNER.
UM, SO YOU SAID THAT Y'ALL ARE NOW USING THE TELESTAFF SYSTEM.
WERE YOU AFFECTED BY THE OUTAGE THAT HAPPENED? UH, BACK THERE? UM, WHEN, AND I, I SEE YOU NODDING YES, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AND UM, SEE IF THERE WERE REDUNDANCIES PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT BECAUSE I'M ALL FOR USING TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL MAKE THESE ISSUES MORE SEAMLESS.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME BEING AWARE OF SOME OF THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT COME UP WHEN THOSE SYSTEMS DO GO DOWN.
YEAH, SO JUST FOR BACKGROUND, WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO IS, IS TELESTAFF IS A PRODUCT THAT WE USE AT, UM, POPULATES ALL OF OUR, OUR SCHEDULES FOR THE FIELD.
SO IT TELLS EVERYBODY WHERE THEY'RE GOING, UM, WHAT SHIFTS ARE WORKING, YOU
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KNOW, WHAT THEIR HOURS ARE GONNA BE.UM, WHAT HAPPENED IS, LIKE SO MANY OTHER SERVERS THAT UNFORTUNATELY IT, IT WAS, UM, IT, IT WENT DOWN, UM, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, THE REDUNDANCY THAT WE HAVE, OR A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE IS JUST THE LEGACY OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
EVERYBODY'S ASSIGNED A SEAT AND A SHIFT, SO MOSTLY EVERYBODY KNEW WHERE TO GO.
SO THE FOLLOW UP WAS THAT OUR SCHEDULING FOLKS AND OUR HR PEOPLE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, MANUALLY ENTERING INTO, AGAIN, THE, THE BANNER SIDE, WHICH IS THE, THE PAYROLL SIDE, THE HOURS THAT HAD TO GO INTO THAT.
UM, SO THE REDUNDANCY IS REALLY JUST A LEGACY OF, I, I COME FROM A TIME WHERE EVERYTHING WAS KEPT IN A GIGANTIC BOOK OF, YOU KNOW, THE KEEPING SHIFT SCHEDULE.
SO WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS.
UM, IT WAS A LOT OF MANUAL WORK TO RECONCILE WHAT THE SHIFTS WERE AND MAKING SURE THAT, THAT WE GOT PEOPLE PAID AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLY COULD.
THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF, I AM SURE THAT WE MISSED SOME THINGS.
WE HAD TO GO BACK AND RECTIFY WHATEVER WAS ENTERED INCORRECTLY DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO OUR CLOSING QUESTIONS.
UM, THEN I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SEEMS LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT
UM, UM, HOW MUCH OVERTIME ARE A P D OFFICERS, UM, ALLOWED TO WORK? IS THERE A LIMIT? THERE IS.
OUR POLICY ADDRESSES THAT, AND IT CAN BE, UH, UP TO 36 HOURS, UH, IN ONE WEEK'S TIME.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON IF YOU TAKE VACATION TO OFFSET, THEN THOSE NUMBERS CAN, CAN SOMETIMES CHANGE AND INCREASE.
I DON'T HAVE THE POLICY RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME TO TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THERE IS A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF OVERTIME HOURS, 16 HOURS A DAY, RIGHT.
OFFICERS CAN WORK NO MORE THAN 16 HOURS A DAY.
AND BASICALLY, LIKE CHIEF PERRY SAID, IT'S NO MORE THAN 76 HOURS A WEEK.
SO IF I BURN THIS WEEK OF VACATION AND IN THEORY, I COULD GO WORK 76 HOURS OF OVERTIME THIS WEEK.
UM, AND CAN I GET A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THAT? IS THAT 76 HOURS WORKED OR 76 HOURS PAID? 76 HOURS.
SO LIKE IF YOU WORK TIME AND A HALF, LIKE I CAN, I CAN WORK 76 HOURS IN A WORK.
IN A AND THEN YOU WOULD GET PAID TIME AND A HALF OR DOUBLE TIME ON 76 WORKED HOURS? CORRECT.
IF YOU, IF YOU BURNED 40 HOURS OF VACATION.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY RESEARCH OR HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED INTO, UM, LIKE THE, THE HARMS OF HAVING OFFICERS WORK 16 HOURS A DAY AND THE, LIKE, THE POTENTIAL SORT OF NEGATIVE THINGS THAT CAN COME OUT OF THAT? SO THOSE POLICIES WERE PUT IN PLACE MANY YEARS AGO CUZ THERE, THERE USED TO NOT BE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY RECENT STUDIES TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS THAT STILL AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER? BUT I DO KNOW WHEN I STARTED HERE THERE WAS NO LIMIT.
AND, UH, THE CITY AND THE DEPARTMENT AND, AND US AS A PROFESSION QUICKLY REALIZED THAT THAT'S NOT HEALTHY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, CUZ YOU WOULD HAVE PEOPLE WORK 20 HOURS A DAY IF, IF THEY COULD.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, REPEATEDLY DOING THAT IS, IS VERY DETRIMENTAL.
I'M NOT SURE HOW TO SAY MY SORT OF GLOBAL OPINION IN A QUESTION, SO I'M JUST GONNA HOLD OFF.
AND I'M ACTUALLY JUST GONNA REQUEST THAT IF WE CAN PLEASE HAVE THE OVERTIME POLICY FOR A P D UM, AS A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, WE'D LOVE THAT FOR OUR BACKUP MATERIALS FOR NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE HAVE THAT AS A REFERENCE.
SO IF THAT COULD PLEASE BE FORWARDED, I'LL, I'LL PUT IT IN OUR FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS FOR, FOR NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND I THINK, HONESTLY, QUICK QUESTION.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE, UM, IF WE WERE ABLE TO FIND, UH, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME TYPE OF STUDY LIKE THAT TO BE, UM, DONE TO EVALUATE THAT? CERTAINLY IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE, UM, THE, THE WELLNESS OF OUR OFFICERS AND ALL OF OUR STAFF IS A VERY HIGH PRIORITY WITH A P D AND, UM, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE POSITION WHERE WE ARE DOING ANYTHING THAT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THEM.
UM, IN RESEARCHING THIS, I JUST NOTICED THAT THERE'S A, A BUREAU OF JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION OR A, A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS WHO YOU GUYS KNOW MANAGE THE BURN GRANT AND SO ON.
UM, THEY WROTE LIKE 18 PAGES ON THIS WAY BACK IN LIKE 1995 OR 2005.
UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE A HELPFUL PLACE TO START.
OH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, I'M SORRY.
I THINK MINE IS EXCELLENT FOR A WRAP UP.
I'M WONDERING, THIS REALLY CONCERNS ME, Y'ALL, ESPECIALLY FOR AN OFFICER TO BE OUT THERE 76 HOURS DOING REALLY TRAUMATIC WORK, UM, AND THEN THEIR PAY NOT BE IN WHERE IT, WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
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ME.SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE CAN ASK THEM BACK MAYBE Q2 OF NEXT YEAR TO ENSURE THIS DOESN'T GET LOST IN THE SAUCE.
I JUST WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WITH ALL THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK AND HOW WE'RE PHASING IT IN AND ENSURING THAT THEY ARE PHASED IN.
UM, I I JUST WANNA KEEP OUR HANDS ON IT, KEEP A LENS ON IT.
IS, IS THAT POSSIBLE? THAT'S GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION.
[6. APD/DPS Partnership Update and possible recommendation to City Council]
GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ITEM.WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS JOINING US FOR THE ACTUAL ITEM.
BUT IN TERMS OF SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BILL BRYCE, I BELIEVE IS HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M BILL BRYCE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE.
DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE MANAGES THE AUSTIN DOWNTOWN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
WE REPRESENT APPROXIMATELY 14,000 DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS, ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOWNTOWN EMPLOYEES AND THEIR TENANT EMPLOYERS AND MILLIONS OF DOWNTOWN VISITORS WHO COME TO DOWNTOWN AUSTIN AS TOURISTS OR TO ATTEND EVENTS, MEETINGS AND CONVENTIONS.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE A P D DPS PARTNERSHIP.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE NEARLY 20 YEARS AND NEVER BEFORE HAS DOWNTOWN FELT LIKE IT IS.
IT IS, IT IS AT A CRITICAL TIPPING POINT AS IT FEELS TODAY.
EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES, VISITORS, PROPERTY, AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND OPERATORS ARE EXPERIENCING INCREASED VIOLENT ASSAULTS AND INCIDENTS INVOLVING HOTEL AND RETAIL EMPLOYEES AND THREATS TO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC SPACE.
THEY'RE ALSO EXPERIENCING INCREASING PROPERTY CRIME AND VANDALISM RESULTING THIS YEAR ALONE IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT MILLIONS, IN PROPERTY DAMAGE TO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AROUND DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING A FIRE THAT DAMAGE IN HISTORIC CONGRESS AVENUE PROPERTY AND PROPERTY DAMAGE TO MANY VACANT PROPERTIES, PARTICULARLY IN THE SIXTH HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ARE TREASURES TO THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN HISTORIC ATMOSPHERE.
DOWNTOWN USER SURVEYS SHOW THAT THE PERCEPTIONS OF PUBLIC SAFETY AMONG DOWNTOWN USERS IS DECLINING BOTH IN DAYTIME AND AT NIGHT.
THIS IS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT THIS IS SOLELY ABOUT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, BUT HAVING PEOPLE LIVING UNSHELTERED IN THE PUBLIC SPACE WHO CANNOT GET INTO SHELTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT AVAILABLE, MANY OF WHOM ARE DECOMPENSATING PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY IN THE PUBLIC SPACE, CONTRIBUTES TO THE PERCEPTION OF AN UNSAFE AND UNHEALTHY ENVIRONMENT.
ALL EFFORTS MUST BE MADE TO IMPLEMENT ALL ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE RESOURCES, PARTICULARLY IN RESPONSE TO INCIDENTS INVOLVING PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THOSE NEEDING PHYSICAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SUPPORTS.
THIS HELPS TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF POLICE RESOURCES.
WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE ADEQUATE A P D RESOURCES PATROLLING OUR STREETS AND NOT DPS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE NEED DPS.
DOWNTOWN IS AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO SUPPLEMENT A P D RESOURCES.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE RESOURCE TO ADDRESS ALL ISSUES, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS AN INCREASING FEELING OF UN UN, OF UNLAWFULNESS AND A LACK OF SAFETY DOWNTOWN.
WE NEED AND SUPPORT THE A P D D P S PARTNERSHIP TO HELP STEM THESE TRENDS UNTIL SUFFICIENT A P D RESOURCES AND ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE.
MR. BRYCE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU STAY? UM, CAN YOU STAY I, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE REST OF PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT CAN YOU STAY IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD.
AND I BELIEVE BILL WALLACE, WE HAVE COMING UP NEXT.
UM, BORN AND RAISED, O UH, RESIDENT OF AUSTIN, TEXAS, AUSTIN NATIVE.
UM, I'M ALSO THE FOUNDER DIRECTOR OF TOMORROW'S PROMISE FOUNDATION, WHICH OPERATES HERE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND A MEMBER OF THE AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION.
UM, I, I WANT TO SPEAK, UH, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AS WELL AS, UH, UH, CONSTITUENTS IN THE COMMUNITIES.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF TIME, UM, SPENT, UH, CANVASSING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, CHOSEN AS HOTSPOTS FOR DPS WHEN THEY WERE HERE.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD BACK WAS THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE JUST LITERALLY SCARED TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, UH, FOR FEAR THAT THEY WOULD BE
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TARGETED, UM, BY DPS TROOPERS AND PULLED OVER, UH, FOR LOW LEVEL VIOLATIONS, UH, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EVEN BE VIOLATIONS.UM, I'VE ALSO TALKED TO BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE TOLD ME THAT, UH, THEIR BUSINESSES SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO COME OUT AND CONGREGATE AND STAY FOR HOURS AND SPEND MONEY, UM, BUYING APPETIZERS AND, AND DRINKS.
UM, AND, UH, I'VE ALSO, UH, SPOKE WITH THE GROUP IN, UM, ST.
JOHN'S THAT TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED THAT D P S IS BEING, UH, WEAPONIZED, UH, FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UH, PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT, UM, MY CONCERNS ARE OUR LOCAL CULTURE AND OUR LOCAL PUBLIC SENSIBILITIES.
THERE'S THINGS THAT, UM, AUSTIN KNIGHT AND TRAVIS COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE VOTED ON, AND I MEAN, LIKE, HAVE PASSED THINGS BY 80% IN SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS HAVE SAID THAT WE DO NOT WANNA PUNISH PEOPLE FOR LOW LEVEL MARIJUANA POSSESSIONS.
WE DON'T WANT, UH, COP CHASES IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AND THAT, UM, WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, LOCAL INDIVIDUALS, UM, REPRESENT US AND WE WANT, UM, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UH, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO HAVE INPUT ON WHETHER OR NOT, UM, WE'RE BEING OVER POLICED, UH, BY DPS, WHICH IS, UM, BEING SANCTIONED BY THE GOVERNOR, WHO HAS BEEN HOSTILE TOWARDS AUSTIN AND AUSTIN RESIDENTS, UM, IN RECENT YEARS.
UH, AND SO WITH THESE CONCERNS, I ASK THAT, UM, THE D P S, UH, PARTNERSHIP, UH, WITH A P D, UM, UH, BE SHUT DOWN AND BE ENDED, UH, IMMEDIATELY AND AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
LET ME GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
UM, WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT PEOPLE JOINING US.
K CREN, WILL YOU BE SPEAKING FOR A P D WITH REGARDS TO APD DATA? DID YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE DOING FOR US, OR YOU HERE TO JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS? BECAUSE YEAH, WE, THIS IS SORT OF A CONTINUATION OF OUR LAST MEETING, SO I WASN'T SURE.
OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE THE QUESTIONS LAST TIME.
AND SO THIS PROVIDED IN RECORD AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL DETAIL YOU WANT ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO HAVE CHAZ MOORE FROM THE AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION JOINING US IF HE WANTS TO COME UP.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ALICIA TORRES FROM GRASSROOTS LEADERSHIP.
UM, JUST, UH, WE JUST WANNA HEAR FROM Y YOU GUYS CAN COME UP AND WE'RE NORMALLY IN THE OTHER ROOM, SO YOU GUYS CAN COME JOIN US AT THE TABLE AND WE CAN HAVE A MORE FLUID CONVERSATION.
BUT THIS IS A SPACE WE HAD TODAY, SO I'M SORRY.
UM, BUT IF YOU GUYS JUST WANNA COME UP AND JUST GIVE YOUR SORT OF OPENING REMARKS, AND THEN WE'LL JUST MOVE INTO QUESTIONS FROM THERE.
AND IF YOU GUYS CAN STAY WITH US.
UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK BILL SAID IT, UM, PERFECTLY.
UM, AND I'M, I'M GONNA OFFER TWO TRAINS OF THOUGHTS.
UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO HOME AND PLAY FIFA CUZ IT'S THREE O'CLOCK.
UM, ONE, I I, THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE ALWAYS VERY INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE WE FIND OURSELVES, UM, IN CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE NEVER ASK QUITE HONESTLY HOW WE GOT HERE.
UM, LAST TIME I CHECKED, I WAS PART OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WANTED AUSTIN TO BECOME A STRONG MAYOR, FORMER GOVERNMENT THAT DIDN'T PASS.
UM, LAST TIME I CHECKED, WHEN WE HAVE BIG DECISIONS LIKE THIS, IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, CITY COUNCIL ALONG WITH THE MAYOR, NOT JUST THE MAYOR VOTES ON IT.
RIGHT? UM, SO RECOMMENDATION ONE IS I WOULD, I WOULD GENUINELY ASK THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION ASKED FOR RECORDS, UM, EMAIL RECORDS, COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE MAYOR TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ABOUT HOW THIS PARTNERSHIP GOT STARTED IN THE FIRST PLACE, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP, BUT WE NEVER TALK ABOUT WHERE IT STARTED.
UM, LAST TIME I CHECKED, I DIDN'T COME TO ANY CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I DIDN'T COME TO ANY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING, ANY AFRICAN AMERICAN QUALITY OF LIFE COMMISSION, ANY COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS A DEMOCRACY THAT I STILL THOUGHT WE LIVED IN, IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, TEXAS.
UM, SO I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE KEEP HAVING CIRCULAR CONVERSATIONS WITHOUT GETTING TO THE ORIGIN STORY, RIGHT? SPIDER-MAN JUST WASN'T SPIDER-MAN.
HE WAS BIT BY RADIOACTIVE SPIDER BATMAN WASN'T JUST BATMAN, HE WAS TRAUMATIZED.
AND LIKE IN A CAVE WITH BATS, HE HAD A BUNCH OF TRAUMATIC STUFF HAPPENING TO HIM.
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BECAME BATMAN.DPS IS HERE, AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND ASK ABOUT HOW WE HONESTLY GOT HERE.
ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ME, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, I'M CHAZ MOORE NOW, CO EED OF THE AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION, UM, AND, AND FOUNDER OF THE AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION.
I AM AN ABOLITIONIST THROUGH AND THROUGH.
UM, THERE IS NOTHING THAT ANYBODY CAN SELL ME, TELL ME BOOK RECOMMEND ME, THAT'S GONNA MAKE ME PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SOMEHOW, IN ANY, UM, VERSION OF THIS REALITY THAT WE LIVE IN, HAVE WHAT YOU ALL WOULD CALL A GOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE, UM, IN ANY BIT.
BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS VERY, UM, INCREASINGLY FRUSTRATING CONVERSATION, I WILL CONCEDE TO THE NOTION THAT WE NEED POLICE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
I, I WILL CONCEDE TO THAT IN THIS, IN THIS MOMENT IN TIME THAT WE'RE IN.
OKAY, SO LET'S ROLL WITH THAT.
UM, LET'S JUST TAKE THE MOST PRESENT EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS PARTNERSHIP IS TERRIBLE.
DPS SHOT SOMEBODY TODAY, THEY CHASED SOMEBODY AND SHOT SOMEBODY TODAY.
UM, JUST A FEW THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT.
AND I'M NOT THE MOST, I'M, I'M PROBABLY NOT THE MOST INTELLIGENT PERSON IN THE ROOM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP WITH AN AGENCY THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE ROOM.
SECOND OF ALL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POLICE AGENCY THAT HAS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT, UNLIKE A P D, WHO I AM, THE HARSHEST CRITIC, AND AT TIMES WHEN NEEDED THE BIGGEST FAN, WE CAN'T FIND THEIR POLICIES.
THEY'RE NOT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE LIKE A P D.
NOW, WHEN A P D HAS OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, THE FIRST PERSON TO THAT SCENE IS JOSEPH JACON, THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR AN ASSISTIVE CHIEFS TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THE DETAILS AS MUCH AS THEY CAN ABOUT THE SHOOTING.
I DON'T RECALL FROM THE SHOOTING TODAY, OR THE FIRST SHOOTING THAT HAPPENED, ANY DPS OFFICER ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC IN SUCH MANNER.
ALSO, BECAUSE WE LIVE IN AN AGE OF INFORMATION.
I WENT ON GOOGLE, I TALKED TO SOME SMART PEOPLE, SHOUT OUT TO KATHY MITCHELL, AND WE LOOKED FOR THE DPS POLICY ON CHASING, CAN'T FIND IT.
NOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I DID FIND? I FOUND APDS POLICY ON CHASING, AND WE CAN DEBATE, UM, WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, THIS, THAT, AND THE THIRD, WE HAVE A FOREIGN AGENCY IN OUR CITY THAT WE ARE ASKING TO PROTECT AND SERVE PEOPLE.
BUT THEIR POLICIES, PROCEDURES ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
LIKE BILL WALLACE SO ELOQUENTLY SAID, LIKE, WE LIVE IN A CITY WHERE WE'VE HAD COMMISSION AFTER COMMISSION BOARD AFTER BOARD REPORT AFTER REPORT AROUND THE TYPE OF POLICING WE WANT IN THE CITY.
DPS, AGAIN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS NEVER BEEN A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO COME IN AND KEEP US SAFE IN A WAY THAT'S FOREIGN TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A PART OF THE LOCAL CONVERSATIONS.
ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? UM, WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS NOT NECESSARILY GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
NOW, WHEN GRASSROOTS AND AJC AND ALL THESE FOLKS WERE ASKING TO DO AWAY WITH THE PARTNERSHIP, YOU ARE MARRIED THAT YOU ALL VOTED FOR, SAID, WE'LL MOVE FROM THE EAST SIDE AND WE'LL PUT 'EM ON THE WEST SIDE.
YOU, YOU CAN'T FIND ME ONE ACTIVIST, ONE PERSON THAT HAS BEEN AGAINST THIS PARTNERSHIP THAT SAYS, YES, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WE NEVER ONCE SAID, STOP POLICING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND GO POLICE ANOTHER POLICING OVER.
POLICING IN ANY CAPACITY, IN ANY RESIDENCE, IN ANY COMMUNITY IN THIS CITY IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
AGAIN, I DO NOT THINK POLICING IS EVER GONNA BE SOLUTION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA SOLVE THE ISSUES THAT THE OTHER GENTLEMEN OF, OF, OF, OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT MANAGES DOWNTOWN TALKED ABOUT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC MONUMENTS AND HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING ACTUAL LIVING, BREATHING PEOPLE.
AND AGAIN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE THAT WEAR THAT UNIFORM.
I TALK TO 'EM ON A DAILY BASIS.
I HAVE MY OWN PERSONAL COFFEE WITH A COP WHEN I CAN VERY FAR AWAY, NOT IN PUBLIC.
SO NOBODY CAN SAY THEY SAW ME DO IT, BUT YET, AND STILL, I STILL TALK TO PEOPLE IN THIS PROFESSION ON A DAILY BASIS.
EVERY SUNDAY I'M PARTYING AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, UM, AND COMMUNICATING WITH, WITH AN OFFICER THAT I WON'T CALL OUT.
CAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO LOSE ANY STRIPES OR ANY RESPECT IN, UM, UM, UM, IN THE DEPARTMENT.
BUT I TALK TO THESE PEOPLE ON A DAILY BASIS.
MR. MOORE, I JUST, UM, I JUST, I, I, I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU.
I'M SORRY, BUT I THINK WE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE TIME FOR EVERYONE.
I'M SO, AGAIN, LIKE IN, IN THE NOTION THAT WE NEED POLICE, THESE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
ONE, WE NEED TO FIND OUT ANY COMMUNICATION AROUND THE, THE, THE, THE START OF THIS PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE MAYOR, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, AND THE, UM, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.
WE ALSO, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE, IF THEY JUST HAVE TO BE HERE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE DP S'S POLICIES ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? AND WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THEY REPORT TO, UM, THE POLICE CHIEF, LIKE THEY, LIKE HE SAID, THEY'RE GONNA DO, THEY ALSO NEED TO BE AT
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THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE AGENCY THAT'S NOT HERE, RIGHT? AND WE NEED MORE PUBLIC DIALOGUE, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH D P S.THEY CANNOT POLICE US IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOW, CHAZ, MY REAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP NEEDS TO END AND WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO GIVE APD WHAT THEY NEED.
BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY ARE FAR FROM PERFECT, THEY ARE THE LOCAL POLICE AGENCY AND THEY ARE A PART OF LOCAL CONVERSATIONS, AND WE NEED MORE OF THAT.
WE DON'T NEED THESE FAKE COWBOYS WITH COWBOY HATS COMING IN, TERRORIZING OUR COMMUNITIES.
MS. TORRES, I WANNA ALLOW, ARE THERE SPACE FOR QUESTIONS FOR CHESS? WE'LL DO COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE MS. JACKSON, I'M GONNA CHECK BACK IN WITH YOU THAT WE HAVE PERMISSION TO GO OVER BY A LITTLE BIT.
SO I JUST WANT TO FIRST, UH, NAME WHAT, UH, MY NAME IS ALICIA TORRES.
I'M PART OF, UM, THE GRASS, UM, ROOTS LEADERSHIP TEAM, AND ALSO A MEMBER OF ICE FAR THE AUSTIN.
UM, AND I JUST UPLIFTING THAT.
I'M SHARING WITH YOU ALL A SERIES OF, UM, A AION OF ARTICLES, UH, WITH WHICH I HOPE THAT IT WILL BE ABLE TO POINT, UM, TO PAINT, UH, FOR YOU ALL A PICTURE, UH, OF WHY WE, AS, AS THE COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY, UH, BROWN IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY, ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, LIKE CHESS SAID, HAVING, UM, AN AGENCY COME IN AND PATROL OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AND SO I WANNA JUST CONTINUE, UH, BY UPLIFTING, UM, THAT, THAT DEFINITELY STEM BEHIND THE TWO DEMANDS, UM, THAT CHAS HAS BROUGHT UP ONE OF THOSE BEING, UM, CALLING FERNAN OF THE PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I BELIEVE, UH, I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK, TO ASK THIS COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY PUT FORTH THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WHY, UM, WE ARE IN A PLACE NOW WHERE, UH, IN A PUBLIC, UM, SPACE, UH, OUR, UM, MAYOR DID SAY RIGHT, THAT, UM, INDEPENDENT OF HOW THIS AGREEMENT WAS STARTED, UM, IT IS NOW UP TO COUNCIL WHETHER THIS AGREEMENT IS GOING TO CONTINUE OR NOT.
AND SO, BY EXTENSION, YOU ALL AS A COMMISSION CHARGE WITH ENSURING PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, FOR US, UM, THE RESIDENTS OF TEXAS, OF, OF AUSTIN, UM, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION Y'ALL CAN PUT FORTH.
AND I ASK THAT Y'ALL CONSIDER THAT.
UM, AND THEY'LL PUSH THAT FORTH.
UM, ALSO, I WANT TO NAME, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS, UM, TOGETHER WITH AJC, WE DID A SERIES OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS, RIGHT, IN WHICH WE GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO COME TOGETHER AND REALLY NAME A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE WAS, UM, AND WANNA UPLIFT SOMETHING THAT STAYED WITH ME, RIGHT? UM, IT'S SOMETHING WHEN WE WERE ASKING PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THEY KNEW ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP, UM, A LOT OF FOLKS SAID IT CAME OUTTA NOWHERE FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT.
WE HAD PEOPLE, UH, WE HAD THE TROOPERS, UM, AT EVERY CORNER, AND NOT JUST ONE TROOPER.
WE HAD MULTIPLE, UH, TROOPER CARS, RIGHT? UH, THIS WAS, UH, IN MARCH OF 20.
THIS WAS IN MARCH OF THIS, OF, UM, THIS YEAR.
AND SO IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE SPRING BREAK FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.
AND IT REALLY, UH, B UPLIFTED FOR ME JUST HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT, UM, THE PATROLLING, JUST THE PATROLLING, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT WITH AN ARREST HAPPENS, RIGHT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ONE PERSON THAT WAS DEPORTED FROM OUR COMMUNITY, HENCE FAMILY SEPARATION HAPPENING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE ACT, THE ACTUAL ACT OF PATROLLING, UM, THE IMPACT THAT IT HAD ON PEOPLE'S LIVES.
PEOPLE CHOSE TO NOT GO OUT, UH, RIGHT? PEOPLE CHOSE, UH, TO ASK PARTNERS, UH, TO NOT GO OUT AND WORK AT A FEAR THAT THEY COULD BE STOPPED AND END IN IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES, RIGHT? UM, AND SO I WANNA NAME THAT, UH, THIS IS ALL, I UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE FOR THE LAST, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS FEARS, AND NOT ONLY BECAUSE I'M DIRECTLY IMPACTED, BUT BECAUSE FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, WELL, TWO YEARS AND A HALF, REALLY OPERATION LONE STAR, WHICH MAYBE FOR SOME OF YOU, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU THAT, THAT Y'ALL MIGHT BE HEARING ABOUT.
OPERATION LONE STAR IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM.
DESIGNED, CREATED, CAME OUT OUT OF A GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, AND IT IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM THAT TARGETS, UM, MIGRANT MEN, UM, FOR ARREST UNDER MISDEMEANOR, UM, CHARGES FOR CRIM, UH, FOR TRESPASSING.
UM, SO TARGETS THE MEN, UM, ARRESTS THEM AND PROSECUTES THEM, AND EVENTUALLY DEPORTS THEM.
UM, IT IS NO SECRET THAT OUR GOVERNOR HAS PUT OUT THE, THE GOAL OF OPERATION LONE STAR IS TO BE ABLE TO MORE EFFICIENTLY AND FAST IN, IN A FASTER WAY, DEPORT, UH, MEN WITH A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND,
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SO THAT IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO COME BACK INTO OUR, TO, TO COME BACK FOR, OR SEEK A LEGAL WAY, UH, TO ENTER THE US.NOW, WITH THAT SAID, UM, IT IS ALSO ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAMS, UM, UNDER THE GUISE OF BORDER SECURITY.
UM, IT IS NOW HAS A PRICE TAG OF ABOUT $9 BILLION.
THAT'S BILLION WITH A B STATING THAT, UH, I'M GONNA LOOP IT BACK TO DPS DP, UH, UNDER OPERATION LONE STAR.
UM, THERE ARE FOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES CHARGED, UH, WITH ENSURING THAT OPERATION LONE STAR CARRIED OUT.
ONE OF THOSE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IS DPS, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
OUT OF THOSE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, DPS IS THE SECOND, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT RECEIVES THE MOST DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
WITH THAT SAID, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, DPS IS CHARGED WITH DOING TO CARRY OUT OPERATION LONE STAR IS THE PATROLLING OF BORDER COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? SO, UH, IS THE PATROLLING AND THE ACTUAL, UM, CALLING IN THE ARREST OF THIS MIGRANT MAN AND D P S, UM, OF COURSE, UH, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE LEAVING.
THEY WERE ASKED, IT WAS, UH, THEY WERE ASKED TO GO TO THE BORDER AND PATROL THE BORDER, UH, MAKE THIS ARREST.
AND UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, THEY WERE ASKED TO COME BACK, RIGHT? SO NOW WE HAVE, UM, IN OUR OWN CITY, IN OUR OWN BACKYARDS, UM, A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT, THAT HAS FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, PATROLLED OR BORDER COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? UM, THAT FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS HAVE, UM, ACTED OUT, UM, UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S DIRECTION, UM, ACTIVELY CARRIED OUT, UM, RACIAL PROFILING, RIGHT? AND IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IT HAS BEEN SANCTIONED BY THE STATE.
AND SO NOW THEY'RE COMING INTO OUR CITY AND BELIEVING, UH, AND CA AND BRINGING WITH THEM THE SAME TYPE OF PATROLLING THAT THEY DO IN THE BORDER CITIES.
UH, NOW THEY'RE CARRYING IT OUT IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? RACIAL PROFILING IS NOTHING NEW TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
BUT WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT, IT IS THAT DPS HAS CARRIED IT OUT IN A VERY SANCTIONED WAY.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE FACING.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALLOWING HERE IN OUR CITY IF WE CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS, UH, AGREEMENT TO GO, UM, TO GO UNCHALLENGED, RIGHT? AND SO, WHAT I PRESENT THE SERIES OF ARTICLES THAT ARE HERE IS REALLY, UM, TALKING ABOUT HOW THE BORDER COMMUNITIES, RIGHT, ARE NAMING THIS THINGS, UM, HOW DPS HAS, UM, IMPACTED THEIR DAILY LIVES.
AND THE THINGS THAT I HEARD THIS BOARD OF RESIDENTS ARE THE SAME THINGS THAT I HEARD IN THE SERIES OF OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE DID WITH HC.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE, UM, THAT IS UPLIFTED IN, IN THIS COLLECTION OF ARTICLES IS THE FACT THAT DEATHS ARE HAPPENING.
UM, THEY HAVE HAPPENED ALREADY HERE UNDER THE, UNDER D P S AGREEMENT.
UM, AND THEY HAVE HAPPENED, UH, AT THE BORDER.
THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF THOSE DEATHS HAVE COME FROM HIGH SPEED CHASES.
NOW, WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR POLICY, A LOT OF DE UH, POLICE, UH, DEPARTMENTS THAT COME OUT AND SAY, WHENEVER THERE'S A HIGH SPEED CHASE, THAT IS NOT OUR FIRST OPTION.
WHAT WE SEE DPS POLICY IN PRACTICE DOWN IN THE BORDER, AND WHAT IS, I BELIEVE I'M SEEING GLIMPSES OF IS POLICY HERE IN, IN, IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY, IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA ENGAGE WITH IT WITHOUT, UH, WITH COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR COMMON KNOWLEDGE OF, OF SAFETY.
AND I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH HOW WORRIED I AM THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AN EXTENSION, UM, OF, UH, THE SAME CULTURAL, UH, POLICING.
UM, I'M PART OF D P S THAT THEY'RE EXECUTING ON THE BORDER HERE UNDER OUR CURRENT, UH, AGREEMENT.
EVERY BROWN PERSON DOES FEEL THAT WE'RE AN OPEN TARGET.
IT HA IT'S HAVING THE CONTRARY, UM, THE CONTRARY EFFECT THAT THEY WISH.
AND, UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THEM.
UM, WEST SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, EAST SIDE, UH, THE IMPACT IS THE SAME.
DISAGREEMENT NEEDS TO STOP AS A COMMISSION.
Y'ALL HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND TO EXECUTE THAT AND TO PUT PRESSURE ON OUR COUNCIL.
UM, AND THAT IS WHAT I'M HERE ASKING FOR THAT.
WE ARE DEALING WITH TIME AGAIN.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, MS. UM, SO WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY.
UM, IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND IT WAS POSTED ONLINE.
MS. PENA, UM, COMMISSIONER PENA IS THE SECOND ON THAT MOTION, SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE HER THE FLOOR FOR A SECOND.
I ACTUALLY LIVE ON SECOND AND CHALMERS.
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WEEK'S MY SON'S FIFTH BIRTHDAY.UH, NOBODY'S GONNA ATTEND HIS BIRTHDAY BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID TO DRIVE TO MY HOUSE AND CELEBRATE.
UM, LAST WEEK, MY SISTER-IN-LAW CAME OVER TO GO SWIMMING.
WHENEVER SHE LEFT, SHE WAS FOLLOWED ALL THE WAY FROM MY HOUSE TO SLAUGHTER LANE BY DPS.
NOW, I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT COMPLETELY, BUT WE DO NEED SOME TRANSPARENCY.
UM, I HAVE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL MEMBERS IN MY COMMUNITY.
UM, A LOT OF THE WORKING CLASS TOO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S 60 YEAR OLD PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL WORKING AND THEY'RE NERVOUS ABOUT GOING TO WORK BECAUSE OF THE PROFILING THAT'S GOING ON.
AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY IS TO HAVE TRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE.
UM, AND IF WE DON'T GET THAT TRANSPARENCY WITH DPS, LIKE IT, SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE.
UH, I DON'T WANT THE COMMUNITY TO, TO LOSE MORE TRUST IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
CAUSE I BELIEVE A P D, UM, IS, IS IS DEFINITELY COMPETENT ENOUGH TO GET THE JOB DONE.
WE ALL WANNA COME TOGETHER AND FIND A SOLUTION LOCALLY.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S SAD THAT I HAVE TO TELL MY FIVE-YEAR-OLD SON THAT NOBODY'S COMING TO HIS BIRTHDAY BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID TO DRIVE OVER HERE.
SO DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO ASK I COMMISSIONER, OR? YEAH, I DO.
CUZ I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE I KNOW THAT HESITATED A LITTLE BIT, UH, ON VOTING FOR THIS LAST GO-ROUND.
UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, AND I KNOW ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INTER NOT HAVING AN AGREEMENT.
UM, I KNOW THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT PARAMETERS AND GUIDELINES, BUT OUR, CAN WE MAKE MORE EXPLICIT OR DO WE WANNA MAKE MORE EXPLICIT THE DESIRE FOR A P D TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH D P S? YES.
I WOULD CONSIDER THAT AMENDMENT VERY FRIENDLY,
SO I WROTE A RECOMMENDATION AS A DRAFT AND AS A BASE THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE VOTED ON AS IS.
I AM VERY OPEN TO STRIKING LANGUAGE, ADDING LANGUAGE.
SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE THAT MORE ROBUST, UM, DO WE HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR THE, SO JUST SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE WANT THAT TO SAY? UH, SO FAR I HAD, I HAD TYPED, UH, COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT.
UM, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE AND NOW IT READS AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION, ADOPTING PARAMETERS.
WE CAN JUST ADD AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION AND A P D D P S AGREEMENT.
OR WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL THAT.
AND JUST TO BE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M JUST WONDERING FROM SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY, MAYBE, UM, I KNOW WE GOT AN ANSWER TO THE, THE FACT THAT WE DON'T NEED AN INTERLOCAL, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING PREVENTING US FROM HAVING AN MOU OR SOME SORT OF OTHER AGREEMENT, MR. MR. MILLS CAN, CAN YOU COME UP AND SPEAK TO US ON THAT? THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD STOP YOU FROM HAVING AN AGREEMENT OR HAVE COUNSEL PROVE THAT.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT NECESSARY FROM THE STATE STANDPOINT AND IT WASN'T NECESSARY TO HAVE IN PLACE.
UM, TRYING TO THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE.
I I HEARD A LOT OF STUFF HERE IN THE LAST 30, 45 MINUTES.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT I CAN ANSWER IN TERMS OF TERMINOLOGY OR, OR TIME OR HEARING AND ALL RECALL, DPS HAS BEEN GONE FOR THE LAST FIVE WEEKS OR SIX WEEKS OR SO.
UH, WE DID HEAR, YOU HEARD IN THE MEETINGS, YOU HEARD AT THE, UH, AT THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION, THE REQUEST TO HAVE D PS UH, UH, EITHER THE DEPLOY BY OR ASSISTANCE FROM THE, FROM THE CHIEF TO DEPLOY PS.
WE TOOK THEM SPECIFICALLY OUT OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE HAD THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE HIGHEST INCIDENTS OF VIOLENT CRIME.
THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY WERE BROUGHT IN HERE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY, WHEN THIS PARTNERSHIP STARTED, WE PIVOTED FROM THAT.
UH, AND THEY'VE BEEN BACK A WEEK OR IN THE SECOND WEEK.
UM, AND WE TOOK THEM INTO AREAS, UM, DRIVING THROUGH DOWNTOWN AUSTIN, UH, AS A, AS A DETERRENT.
WE HAVE, AND YOU HEARD BILL BRI SPEAK TO IT A WHILE AGO.
WE'RE SEEING A, A SIGNIFICANCE OF CRIME IN DOWNTOWN AUSTIN.
SO WE HAVE ASKED DPS TO SPREAD OUT THROUGH THE CITY, FOCUS ON VIOLENT CRIME, FOCUS ON TRAFFIC, UH, AND FOCUS ON, UH, WHERE WE'RE HAVING HIGH INCIDENCE OF, UH, OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THAT INVOLVE INJURIES AND FATALITIES.
SO THAT'S BEEN, IT IS THE FOCUS.
AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER ABOUT IN, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE THAT DEPLOYMENT HAS CHANGED.
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT HAP
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WHAT WAS IN PLACE FIVE OR SIX WEEKS AGO OR SEVEN WEEKS AGO.UH, PEOPLE SPOKE, WE HEARD IT, YOU HEARD IF YOU HEARD THE, THE PRESENTATIONS FROM THE COLONEL WHEN HE SAID, UH, CHIEF CHACON WILL BE, WILL BE HELPING IN THE DEPLOYMENT OF, OF THESE OFFICERS.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I'M JUST LIKE, OTHER PEOPLE COMMENTED, WE, WE DON'T WANT DPS TO POLICE THIS CITY.
YOU HEARD THE NUMBERS A WHILE AGO.
WE'RE HOW MANY SHARP 350 OR SO? WE'RE REALLY SHORTER THAN THAT.
AND WE CAN'T EFFECTIVELY POLICE THE CITY AS WE ARE.
I HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT WE WANNA DO OUR OWN THING OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE JUST US DO IT.
UH, WE ARE AT A POINT IN THIS CITY, OR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO POLICE THE CITY BY OURSELVES.
SO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE I'M, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE IT'S OUTTA NECESSITY.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT HAS A QUESTION.
UM, ACM MILLS, IF, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET IT.
UM, SUBSEQUENTLY, BUT I'M WONDERING IF, IF THE CITY KNOWS HOW MANY HOURS A P D SWORN OFFICERS SPEND COVERING SHIFTS IN THE CALL CENTER, HOW MANY SHIFT, HOW MANY HOURS THEY DO WHAT NOW? YOU KNOW, APD IS ONE.
UM, APD SWORN OFFICERS ARE ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT IS HELPING COVER NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER.
I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY HOURS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS.
I KNOW THERE'S OFFICERS, THERE'S SERGEANTS.
WE'RE PAYING OVERTIME TO WORK IN THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH 9 1 1 OPERATORS.
THEY'RE NOT DOING, THEY'RE NOT, BUT WE'RE NOT PULLING THEM OFF THE STREET, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING.
I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MORE THAN A YEAR.
I I WILL TALK ABOUT THE NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER ANOTHER TIME.
I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THE DATA ON THE HOURS AND, AND APD SWORN STAFF WHO ARE SPENDING TIME COVERING THE CALL CENTER FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS.
HAPPY TO TRY TO FIND THAT FOR YOU.
SO IF WE CAN FIND THAT MANY HOURS, CHIEF MASON THAT'S UNDER YOU WILL TRY TO GET, I'M GONNA', I'M GONNA SWITCH THIS BACK TO, TO TOPIC SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET THIS COMMISSIONER RUTAN.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? UM, QUESTION FOR, FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION DISCUSSING THIS.
SO I, I WAS NOT HERE, UM, LAST MONTH AND SO I APOLOGIZE.
AND SO I DIDN'T SEE THE DISCUSSION, UH, SURROUNDING SIMILAR RESOLUTION.
I, I, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WOULD COME TO MIND IN TERMS OF WORDSMITHING A LITTLE BIT.
I I THINK PERHAPS WHAT I'M HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, VERY STRONG OPINION FROM THE CITY THAT WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL STAFFING AND PERCEPTION MATTERS IN MANY PARTS OF THE CITY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT ON BOTH LEVELS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD PERHAPS PHRASE IT RATHER THAN SAYING THAT THIS WOULD BE DISCONTINUED, BUT DIRECTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DEVELOP THE PROPER PROTOCOLS AND PATHWAYS AND ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE AS NEEDED BY THE CITY WHILE WE'RE WORKING OUT THE APPROPRIATE PATHWAYS TO SORT OF SAY, OKAY, WE'LL KEEP DOING WHAT THE CITY FEELS NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT HAVE SOME TIMELINE TO SAY BY, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S A REASONABLE TIMELINE TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOME KIND OF A INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT
SO IF WE'RE TALKING AMENDMENTS, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE 'EM ONE AT A TIME JUST SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THESE CHANGES ON THE RECORD.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT I HEARD FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER ORR WAS TO ADD A P D AND D P S TO THE, UM, AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL, A P D AND D PS, UM, TO THE, TO THE RESOLUTION.
SO THAT WE'RE CREATING A RE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON A PARTNERSHIP OF ALL OF THOSE.
AND I NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT TO SEE IF EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT ADDITION OF LANGUAGE.
SO CAN I ADD A FRIENDLY TO THAT? FRIENDLY, OKAY.
MR. I, I THINK MAYBE INSTEAD WE MOVE IT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS PORTION AND SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THAT WE WANT THEM TO CREATE SPACE FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP AND TAKE ALL APPLICABLE, UM, DUE DILIGENT EFFORTS TO DO SUCH OF, AS FAR AS BRINGING THEM ALL INTO THE TABLE.
AND THEN SECONDARILY, I WOULD LOVE TO LAYER ON, CUZ I'M HEARING D P S TALK TO A P D VICE VERSA, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO LAYER ON WHAT SOME OF OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INTO THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.
OR AT LEAST FOR IT TO BE HAD PUBLICLY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU WANT ADDED TO THE RECOMMENDATION LANGUAGE? UM, NO, I'M NOT ACTUALLY FOLLOWING EXACTLY.
SO DO YOU, I I'M, I I'M HEARING THAT YOU WANNA ADD TO THE, WHEREAS WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE RECOMMENDATION PART.
AS FAR AS OUR POINT THAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS, HEY GUYS COME TOGETHER IN A SPACE OR AT LEAST TRY TO COME TOGETHER IN A SPACE AND GET ON THE SAME PAGE LITERALLY.
UM, AND AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU GET ON THAT SAME PLAY PAGE, PLEASE
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INTEGRATE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.SO AGAIN, WE'RE BUILDING THAT TRUST, IT'S BEING SEEN, IT HAS INTEGRITY, SO FORTH.
SO RIGHT NOW THE RECOMMENDATION AS IT READS, IT READS THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY BE DISCONTINUED UNLESS THERE IS SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
AND IN AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION, ADOPTING PARAMETERS, GUIDE AND GUIDELINES THAT DEFINE GOALS, TIME PERIODS, ACCOUNTABILITY, DATA SHARING, REPORTING AND EXPECTATIONS.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOME EXACT LANGUAGE CUZ I, CUZ I WANT I YES, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON LANGUAGE TO INSERT GOT IT.
AS OPPOSED TO A FEELING
ORIENTATIONS THAT ARE IN, IN ALIGNMENT WITH AN INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH D P S AND YES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, THAT DOES.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL, A P D AND D P S ALIGN THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ADOPTING PARAMETERS, GUIDELINES THAT DEFINE GOALS, TIME PERIODS, ACCOUNTABILITY, DATA SHARING, REPORTING AND EXPECTATIONS.
CAN WE TAKE A VOTE ON THAT LANGUAGE? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER NGUYEN, WHO MOTION, OH YEAH.
CAN I GET A SECOND ON THAT? ON THAT CHANGE IN LANGUAGE SECOND.
THAT'S COMMISSIONER SMITH THAT WE GOT A SECOND FROM SMITH.
COMMISSIONER NGUYEN IN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
AND I THINK WE LOST COMMISSIONER HOLMES ONLINE.
AND THEN WITH THAT, AND I WILL ALSO, I SUPPORT THAT LANGUAGE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS? I THINK I HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER RUTAN, UM, LANGUAGE ON REMOVING THE WORD DISCONTINUED.
I THINK JUST SOMETHING THAT'S A TIMEFRAME THAT IT NEEDS TO GET WORKED OUT CAN CONTINUE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, UM, LET ME THINK OF A WORD.
UM, MAY, MAY MAYBE WHEN WE DROP SOME OF THE FIRST PORTION AND SAY, UM, AS PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP, THERE MUST BE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THE PHRASING THAT YOU JUST ADDED.
UM, AND IF THIS IS NOT ACCOMPLISHED WITHIN PICK A PERIOD OF TIME, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE PARTNERSHIP IS DISCONTINUED.
AND I DON'T, WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD.
I TAKE INPUT FROM CITY STAFF OKAY.
BUT DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT CHANGE IN LANGUAGE TIMEFRAME? COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, DO WE NEED, WE NEED TO KNOW THE TIME.
WE NEED TO SET A TIMEFRAME THOUGH.
I, I, I'M NOT SURE IF, BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU SAID, WE NEED SOME MORE INPUT FROM A P D ON WHAT THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME IS.
AND I THINK PART OF I WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A VOTE ON THIS LANGUAGE.
I IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE WHAT I, WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE SAY YES TO THE PARTNERSHIP IS JUST SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS MISSING.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OF THAT.
THERE HAS BEEN VERY, VERY LIMITED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, IN CITY, IN CITY MEETING SETTINGS.
THIS WAS AS I, AS I MENTIONED IN THE RECOMMENDATION, THIS WAS THE, THE, THE, THE, IT WAS PLANNED.
THE RESTART WAS PLANNED WHILE CITY COUNCIL IS ON BREAK AGAIN, LIKE LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF INPUT THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF WANTING TO CONTINUE IT AND DEVELOP IT AND GET IT TO WORK, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE GO THERE.
UM, INSTEAD OF LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TIME, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE REALLY HARD FOR US TO DETERMINE, UM, WE COULD AGREE TO PUT THIS BACK ON OUR AGENDA WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND FIND OUT IF ANY OF THE STUFF WE ASKED FOR IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
I GUESS THAT'S A DIFFERENT AMENDMENT.
AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT.
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UM, SO I AM HEARING THAT WE MAYBE AREN'T ARE WE ARE.
SO I THINK, SO I'M HEARING A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
WE WE'RE LITERALLY RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, AS MUCH AS I WANNA PASS THIS RECOMMENDATION TODAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE TIME TO IRON OUT CHANGES IN LANGUAGES, UM, ADDING ON LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THINGS.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT HAPPY THAT WE CAN'T PASS THIS.
UM, I, UM, ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO REACH OUT TO ME SO THAT WE CAN START CRAFTING SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE AHEAD OF MEETINGS.
THIS, THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS FLOATED WELL OVER A WEEK IN ADVANCE AND I WAS WAITING AND OPENED, UM, OPENED, UM, DIALOGUE SO THAT WE COULD DO THIS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO LIKE, HAVE A LAYERED APPROACH, RIGHT? WHERE WE AT LEAST SAY, HEY, WE RECOMMEND YOU STOP
LIKE UNTIL WE GET ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU STOP THIS AND THEN COME BACK WITH A MORE LAYERED APPROACH JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT THAT'S STICKER IN THE STAND.
COMMISSIONER OR COMMISSIONER? I'M WILLING TO SECOND THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE, THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE, THE AMENDMENT, AND THEN, YES.
SO LET'S VOTE ON THE MOTION, UM, TO CHANGE THE DISCONTINUED AND THE CONTINU TO DEVELOP.
TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP A PLAN.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE'VE GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER, RUTAN AND THEN COMMISSIONER OR TO, TO REPLACE DISCONTINUED WITH CONTINUED DEVELOPING A PLAN.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE.
IS THAT CORRECT? JUST VERIFY THAT.
I'M, I'M CONFUSED AND A LITTLE BIT WORRIED THAT WE ARE DOING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH ASKED US TO DO.
AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR YEAH.
WE'RE NOT SAYING END THE PARTNERSHIP.
IF YOU DO EVERYTHING WE'RE SAYING, CONTINUE THE PARTNERSHIP AND MAYBE GIVE BACK TO US RIGHT.
ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING.
AND SO, BUT THE, SO THE THING IS THERE WAS, THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE, ON THE FLOOR ON, WE HAD ALREADY OPENED A MOTION AND SO WE, WITHOUT A TIMEFRAME, I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW THE MOTION ON THERE.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE A, HAVE A TIMEFRAME.
AND THEN I THINK WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
SO WE NO LONGER HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME TO DISCUSS THIS.
I THINK I NEED A MOTION TO TABLE THIS FOR THE TIME BEING.
CAN, CAN SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND PASS AS THIS? YEAH, YEAH.
I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY I SECOND THAT.
UM, AND THEN COMMISSIONER PANIA GAVE THE SECOND AND I THINK WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.
UM, COMMISSIONER NEN, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN JUST BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ANY CONCRETE ASK OR MEASURES ON THIS.
COMMISSIONER RUTAN, UH, I'LL ALSO ABSTAIN.
WITH THAT THE RECOMMENDATION PASSES.
UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HANGING IN THERE FOR THAT LAST BIT.
I KNOW THAT WAS, UM, TRICKY TO GET DONE IN SUCH A QUICK AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THESE DISCUSSIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND HAPPY TO CONTINUE SPEAKING.
UM, WITH THAT I ADJOURN OUR MEETING BECAUSE WE ARE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
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TO BE EMAILED TO YOU.AS FAR AS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, IF ANYBODY HAS THAT, IF THEY COULD PLEASE JUST EMAIL THEM TO ME.
I WILL CIRCULATE THE CURRENT LIST THAT WE HAVE.
WE NEED ADDITIONAL SECONDS TO FLOAT SOME OF THOSE IN FUTURE MEETINGS.
AND THEN I'M ALSO OPEN TO PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS.
I, I WANTED TO ASK AND WITH THAT I'M GONNA ADJOURN THE MEETING.
I APPRECIATE YOU HANGING IN THERE WITH US.