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[CALL TO ORDER]
ORDER THIS WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 2ND TWO, UH, 2023, MEETING OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS COMMISSION, THE CITY OF AUSTIN.UH, WE ARE AT CITY HALL CHAMBERS, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.
I KNOW IT FEELS LIKE PHOENIX OUTSIDE, BUT YOU ARE IN CITY OF AUSTIN AND WE ARE HERE TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS OF THE LANDMARKS.
UH, WHAT I'LL DO THIS EVENING IS, UH, I'LL READ THROUGH THE AGENDA.
WE'LL GO OVER, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, CONSENT CASES, FIRST, THE POSTPONEMENT CASES, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO OUR DISCUSSION CASES.
UH, BE BEFORE THAT, LET ME START BY HAVING, UH, MS. ALLEN, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE? USUALLY THE CHAIR CALLS THE ROLE, BUT I CAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
UH, COMMISSION CHAIR BEN HEIM.
COMMISSIONER WHIT FEATHERSTON.
COMMISSIONER KEVIN COOK, PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER RAYMOND CASTILLO.
COMMISSIONER JUAN RAYMOND RUBIO PRESENT.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER TARA DUDLEY WILL BE ABSENT THIS EVENING.
AND BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR AGENDA, WE ARE POSTED FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.
UH, MS. ALLEN, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO SIGNED UP? YES, WE HAVE MEGAN KING OF PRESERVATION.
UM, I HAVE MY MONTHLY UPDATE FROM PRESERVATION AUSTIN FOR YOU ALL.
UM, OUR, WELL, I'LL START WITH THE MOST RECENT THING FIRST.
SO TOMORROW NIGHT WE ARE SUPPORTING AN EVENT OF THE, UM, OLD L C ANDERSON ALUMNI.
THEY ARE HAVING AN OPENING FOR A YELLOWJACKET CONFERENCE CENTER, WHICH IS AT THE SITE OF THE OLD L C ANDERSON SCHOOL, AS WELL AS A MARKER DEDICATION CEREMONY FOR YELLOWJACKET STADIUM.
UM, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE GIVING TOURS OF THE SITE IN THE CONFERENCE CENTER, WHICH WILL BE POPULATED WITH LOTS OF MEMORABILIA FROM OLD ELSIE ANDERSON.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, FAMILIAR, IT'S UM, IT WAS AUSTIN'S ONLY BLACK HIGH SCHOOL DURING SEGREGATION.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE PARTNERING WITH THE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION AND, UM, WE HOPE YOU ALL CAN JOIN US.
UM, OUR CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR OUR PRESERVATION MERIT AWARDS WILL CLOSE ON AUGUST 11TH.
UM, THOSE ARE FOR PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I BELIEVE.
UM, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF CATEGORIES OF AWARDS.
WE HAVE PRESERVATION AWARDS, WE HAVE SPECIAL RECOGNITION AWARDS THAT RECOGNIZE EDUCATION PROJECTS AND ADVOCACY PROJECTS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, STEWARDSHIP AWARDS.
SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN APPLYING, THEY CAN VISIT PRESERVATION AUSTIN.ORG.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE'LL BE HAVING OUR, UM, A MEMBERS ONLY EVENT AT THE BROKEN SPOKE.
UM, LATER THIS MONTH ON AUGUST 22ND, IT'S GONNA BE OUR ANNUAL MEETING.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE BROKEN SPOKE WAS JUST DESIGNATED AS A CITY OF AUSTIN LANDMARK, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO CELEBRATE THAT SUCCESS WITH THEM AND OUR MEMBERS.
SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND, THEY CAN ALSO BECOME A MEMBER ON OUR WEBSITE@PRESERVATIONAUSTIN.ORG.
AND THAT WILL BE ALL FOR ME TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, MS. KING, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]
THROUGH THE AGENDA.[Consent Agenda]
INDICATE IF AN ITEM IS ON CONSENT, UH, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC.BE AWARE THAT IF IT'S A CONSENT ITEM, WE WILL NOT NEED A PRESENTATION OR A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IF IT STAYS AND IS VOTED ON THE CONSENT, THEN IT WILL BE PASSED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT HAVE GONE IN THE, IN THE BACKUP.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF CASES THAT ARE REQUEST POSTPONEMENT AND UNLESS THERE IS AN ISSUE REGARDING THAT, THAT ALSO FOLLOWS THE CONSENT.
AND THEN WE WILL TAKE IN ORDER THE ITEMS POSTED ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.
HOWEVER, IF AS I GO THROUGH THE AGENDA, THERE IS AN ITEM THAT IS POSTED FOR CONSENT THAT ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OR ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE US TO POLL, THEN WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT A DISCUSSION ITEM AND WOULD TAKE IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE'LL HAVE PRESERVATION TRIUMPHS AS IT IS, UH, WITH, UH, MELISSA ALVARADO GIVING US AN UPDATE.
UH, ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE WILL HAVE A, UH, PRESENTATION ABOUT FIVE 17 BOLD AVENUE.
UH, THIS WAS A DEMOLITION THAT, UH, FELL UNDER THE, UH, CHURCH RE REGULATIONS, UH, THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS MANDATED.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT'S 25 0 2 JARRETT AVENUE, ITEM NUMBER 5 6 0 6
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EAST THIRD STREET.THAT WILL ALSO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.
ITEM NUMBER 6 6 0 8 EAST THIRD STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.
UH, THESE HAVE BEEN ON OUR AGENDA PREVIOUSLY AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY WHEN WE DISCUSS THEM TO TAKE THEM, UH, TOGETHER AS A SINGLE CASE, BUT THAT WILL REQUIRE A MOTION AT THAT TIME.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN 11, UH, 11 5 1 1 5 EAST FIFTH STREET.
THAT IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT 2000 MAPLE AVENUE IS OFFERED AS A CONSENT ITEM.
ITEM NUMBER 9 6 0 5 HIGHLAND AVENUE IS OFFERED AS A CONSENT ITEM.
ITEM NUMBER TEN FOUR OH TWO WEST 12TH STREET.
THAT IS AN APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 11 13 12 NEWING AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
ITEM NUMBER 12 8 0 1 OAKLAND AVENUE IS POSTED FOR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 13 5 12 EAST MONROE STREET.
THAT IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
ITEM 14 14 0 9 ALTA VISTA AVENUE.
THAT IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
ITEM 15 8 16 CONGRESS AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
ITEM 16, 2100, UH, 2100 NEWFIELD LANE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
THAT'S, UH, 3 0 0 1 FUNDS AND STREET.
UH, THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED AND IT'S NO LONGER REQUIRED TO BE ON OUR AGENDA.
ITEM 1896 RAINY STREET IS OFFERED FOR DISCUSSION.
ITEM NUMBER 19 7 19, CONGRESS AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
ITEM 2081 WALLER STREET IS POSTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
WE'LL GO TO THE DEMOLITION RELOCATION PERMIT.
UH, ITEM 21, THAT'S 400 BRADY LANE.
UH, THAT IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
ITEM 22, UH, 10 0 6 EAST 39TH STREET.
ITEM, UM, 19, ITEM 19, 7 19, CONGRESS AVENUE.
WE WILL MAKE THAT A DISCUSSION ITEM.
UM, THAT GETS US TO, LET'S SEE, WE WERE AT ITEM 22.
EAST 39TH STREET IS A CONSENT ITEM 23.
ITEM 23 47 0 7 REYES STREET, UH, THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 24 9 0 9 WEST GIBSON STREET.
ITEM 25, 2300 EUCLID AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
MARY LAND AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
ITEM 27 24 0 7 MCCULLOUGH STREET.
CRESTWOOD ROAD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
AND THE FINAL ITEM, UH, ADDRESS IS 59 0 1 CARY DRIVE, ITEM 29.
AND THAT IS ALSO OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
OUR ADDITIONAL, UH, ITEMS ARE POSTED FOR, UH, HAVING APPOINTMENTS TO THE FOR STANDING COMMITTEES, UH, FOR THE, UH, COMMISSION.
UM, AT THIS POINT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, THAT IS FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, 2000 MAPLE 9 6 0 5 HIGHLAND 11 13 12 NEWING 15 8 16, CONGRESS 16, 2100 NEWFIELD LANE.
ITEM 22, 10 0 6 EAST 39TH STREET.
ITEM 23 47 0 7 REYES 24, 9 0 9 WEST GIBSON 25 2300 EUCLID 26 34 0 6.
MARY LYNN LANE, UH, MARYLAND AVENUE 27 24 0 7 MCCULLOUGH 28 14 0 9 CRESTWOOD N 29 59 0 1.
CARRIE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THOSE ITEMS, YOUR ITEMS HAVE PASSED.
AND, UH, IF THOSE ARE DEMOLITION REQUESTS, YOU'LL BE CONTACTED BY STAFF.
WE DO HAVE A PACKET OF DOCUMENTATION THAT IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE RELEASE OF THE PERMIT.
LET US MOVE ALSO, IF YOU DO PLAN
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ON LEAVING, UH, YOU CAN GRAB STICKERS, UH, FROM THE SECURITY DESK, UM, BEFORE YOU LEAVE AS WE DO.OR YOU CAN JUST PAY FULL FARE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT.
THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT HAS BEEN, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, ACTUALLY, I ALSO SAW, UH, COMMISSIONER EVANS FROM A DISTANCE.
AND, UH, THOSE CASES ARE, UM, 1 5 1 15 EAST FIFTH STREET, NUMBER SEVEN.
NUMBER TEN FOUR OH TWO WEST 12TH STREET NUMBER 13 5 12 EAST MONROE STREET.
14 14 0 9 ALTA VISTA AVENUE, AND 21,400 BRADY LANE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
UH, WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE MAY START WITH OUR FIRST,
[2. Recent Preservation Triumphs]
UH, BRIEFING ITEM NUMBER TWO AND, UH, MS. ALVARADO.MELISSA ALVARADO, HERITAGE TOURISM DIVISION MANAGER FOR THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
AFTER EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REIMAGINED ITS CULTURAL FUNDING PROGRAMS FOR ARTS, MUSIC AND HERITAGE TOURISM.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE'RE LEADING WITH AN INTENTIONAL FOCUS ON EQUITY AND INCLUSION, WHILE MORE EFFECTIVELY PROMOTING TOURISM.
THE DIVISION'S FOCUS IS HERITAGE TRAVEL WITH PURPOSE TO, TO CONNECT PEOPLE AND PRESERVATION THROUGH AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCES AND PLACES IN AUSTIN THAT ARE ROOTED IN HERITAGE AND HISTORY.
THE PURPOSE OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT IS TO PROMOTE TOURISM THROUGH THE RESTORATION OF HISTORIC PLACES AND THROUGH PLANNING, EDUCATIONAL OR MARKETING PROJECTS.
PROJECTS SHOULD TELL INCLUSIVE STORIES ON HISTORIC PLACES THAT ARE ROOTED IN AUSTIN'S HISTORY.
AND HERITAGE STATE LAW REQUIRES THE FUNDING TO BE USED TO PROMOTE TOURISM AND THE CONVENTION AND HOTEL INDUSTRIES.
AND IT REQUIRES THE GRANTS TO BE AWARDED TO PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE VICINITY OF THE CONVENTION CENTER OR IN A LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY, REASONABLY LIKELY TO BE VISITED BY TOURISTS.
THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT IS AN ANNUAL PROGRAM, UM, THAT OFFERS FUNDING FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS AND HISTORY INFORMING ACTIVITIES THAT PROMOTE HERITAGE TOURISM IN AUSTIN, BOTH NONPROFIT AND FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY AND PROJECTS MUST HAVE A HISTORIC DESIGNATION OR BE ELIGIBLE FOR A DESIGNATION.
PROJECTS MUST OCCUR WITHIN A COUNCIL, UM, AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND MUST BE ZONED NON-RESIDENTIAL WITH GROUNDS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO VIEW.
ALL PROJECTS MUST BE MARKETED TO INCREASE AND BENEFIT TOURISM AND EXPAND AUDIENCES.
PRIORITIES FOR THE DIVISION INCLUDE OUTREACH TO FIRST TIME APPLICANTS AND TOURISM SERVING PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE EAST AUSTIN HISTORIC SURVEY.
WE ENCOURAGE INCLUSIVE INTERPRETIVE PLAN PROJECTS TO ENGAGE COMMUNITY AND TOURISTS THROUGH STORYTELLING AND CREATIVE COLLABORATIONS BETWEEN COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND HISTORIC SITES.
IS HIGHLY ENCOURAGED PROJECTS THAT USE INNOVATIVE AND INCLUSIVE METHODS TO ATTRACT NEW AND DIVERSE AUDIENCES AND TOURISTS ARE ALSO HIGHLY ENCOURAGED TO APPLY.
AGAIN, WE OFFER CAPITAL PLANNING, EDUCATIONAL AND MARKETING GRANTS THAT ARE VALUED FROM 30,000 TO $250,000, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT TYPE.
THERE IS NO MATCH REQUIRED FOR THIS GRANT.
UM, ALL SITES MUST HAVE A HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
AND OUR NEXT APPLICATION FOR GRANT FUNDING OPENS AT 10:00 AM ON AUGUST 8TH AND WILL BE OPEN UNTIL 5:00 PM ON SEPTEMBER 22ND.
I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME PREVIOUSLY FUNDED PRESERVATION PROJECTS, UM, TO GIVE YOU A GLIMPSE OF WHAT THIS FUNDING COULD BE USED FOR.
UPTOWN SPORTS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT THAT IS NOW SERVING AS A NEW
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TOURISM ANCHOR IN AUSTIN.A RESTORED 1893 COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN EAST AUSTIN THAT RECENTLY HAD A GRAND OPENING THIS YEAR, ITS LONG AND STORIED LIFE HAS SERVED THE COMMUNITY AS A BAKERY, A BUTCHER SHOP, A DRY GOOD SHOP, AND A NEIGHBORHOOD BAR.
THIS FORMERLY ABANDONED PROPERTY HAD LONG BEEN A TOPIC OF INTEREST AND INTRIGUE IN ITS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE REOPENING THE UPTOWN SPORTS BAR NOW SERVES AS A NEWLY RENOVATED NEIGHBORHOOD SPOT AND RESTAURANT CONCEPT.
THE DELICATE RENOVATION TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION ITS WOODEN PENANT AWNING, ITS FRONT DOOR CORNER ORIENTATION, AND ITS OVERALL 19TH CENTURY CHARM TO MARY REMNANTS OF BOTH THE PAST AND THE PRESENT.
DOWNFIELD GRANDSTAND IS AN ICON OF EAST AUSTIN AND A LINK TO THE LEGACY OF THE AUSTIN BLACK SENATORS, ONE OF THE FIRST NEGRO LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAMS IN THE CITY.
THE DOWNFIELD GRANDSTANDS HAVE BEEN CAREFULLY RESTORED FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF NEW GENERATIONS OF BASEBALL FANS.
THE PRESENT SITE WAS USED AS SAMUEL HOUSTON COLLEGE'S BASEBALL STADIUM AND WAS THE HOME FIELD OF THE BLACK SENATORS, INCLUDING LOCAL SPORTS HERO AND NATIONAL BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND DUCKY WILLIE WELLS, THE REHABILITATION OF THE GRANDSTAND.
A RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK WAS MANAGED THROUGH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND INCLUDED STRUCTURAL AND COSMETIC UPGRADES CAPPED BY A NEW CORRUGATED MIDDLE ROOF.
THE CLARKSVILLE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
THE RESTORATION OF THE HASKELL HOUSE IS A TESTAMENT TO THE PRESERVATION AND COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS BY THE CLARKSVILLE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND SEVERAL CITY OF AUSTIN DEPARTMENTS.
TODAY, THE HOUSE STANDS IN ITS ORIGINAL SITE IN CLARKSVILLE, A HISTORIC FREEDOM COMMUNITY ESTABLISHED BY FORMERLY ENSLAVED PEOPLE IN 1871.
THE HOME IS CLAD IN UNPAINTED BOARD AND BATON SIDING AND FEATURES DOUBLE SEPARATED FRONT DOORS.
IN 2020, PEACE PARK CONSERVANCY, A PARD PARTNER BROKE GROUND ON THE RENOVATION OF KINGSBURY COMMONS TO REHABILITATE THE TUDOR CO COTTAGE.
AS A NEW COMMUNITY AND EVENT SPACE, THE BUILDING'S PRIMARY EASTERN FACADE WAS RESTORED.
USING THE TRADITIONAL TUDOR COTTAGE APPROACH, GLASSDOOR'S CUT INTO THE BUILDING'S NORTH FACADE, WHICH OPENS INTO AN INVITING TERRACE.
THIS PROJECT CREATED NEW LIFE TO THE COTTAGE, MAKING IT A WELCOMING PLACE OF GATHERING FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS IN ONE OF AUSTIN'S CENTRAL GREEN SPACES.
AND IN FISCAL YEAR 23, WE RECENTLY AWARDED, UM, A ROGERS, WASHINGTON HOLY CROSS HISTORIC DISTRICT TOUR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL EXEMPLIFIED INNOVATIVE AND INCLUSIVE METHODS TO ATTRACT NEW AUDIENCES AND TOURISTS, AND WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A CREATIVE PARTNERSHIP THAT ADVANCED A COMMUNITY IDEA.
IT ALSO HELPS TO SHARE AUSTIN'S HISTORY IN A FRESH AND COMPELLING WAY.
THIS IS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN E FOUR YOUTH, A NONPROFIT AND ROGERS, WASHINGTON HOLY CROSS HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WILL SERVE TO PRESERVE THE RAPIDLY VANISHING HISTORIES OF OUR BLACK COMMUNITY LEADERS IN AUSTIN, WHILE PROVIDING THE YOUTH OF FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN DISPLACED FROM THE DISTRICT WITH OPPORTUNITIES TO RECLAIM THOSE STORIES.
THE PROJECT WILL RESULT IN A SERIES OF MIXED REALITY, AUGMENTED AND VIRTUAL TOURS OF 10 TO 12 LOCATIONS, AND WILL INCLUDE THE COLLECTION OF ORAL HISTORIES.
THE LOCATION-BASED MIXED REALITY STORYTELLING ENGINE WILL FEATURE CONTENT RESEARCHED BY STUDENTS PARTICIPATING IN E FOURTH YOUTH PROGRAMS. THE PROJECT WILL BE MARKETED THROUGH EVENTS IN ENGAGEMENT TOURS, ACTIVATIONS VIA SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST AND A C L SOCIAL MEDIA EARNED MEDIA AND PRESS COVERAGE.
AND ON EACH OF THESE SLIDES, I HAVE INCLUDED THE LINK FOR THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAM.
I ALSO HAVE SOME FLYERS IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH AT THE, UM, DOOR LEADING INTO, UM, THIS, UM, MEETING SPACE AND AM OPEN TO SPEAK TO ANY POTENTIAL APPLICANT WHO HAS A PROJECT IDEA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADVANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE DEVOTING TIME
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TO JOIN US FOR OUR RETREAT LAST WEEK.AND YOU REALLY HELPED OPEN OUR EYES TO, UH, SOME WONDERFUL ASPECTS OF THIS PROGRAM AND HOW SUCCESSFUL IT'S BEEN OVER THE YEARS, HOW MUCH IT'S ACCOMPLISHED.
AND HOPEFULLY NOW WE'LL SHARE SOME OF THAT WITH AN AUDIENCE THAT CAN SEE NEW OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
DO YOU KNOW IF UPTOWN SPORTS CLUB IS OWNER OCCUPIED AS IN LIKE THE BUSINESS THAT IS OPERATING IT OWNS, THE BUILDING ITSELF OWNS? WELL, THE GRANT PROGRAM IS OPEN TO INDIVIDUALS WHO EITHER OWN OR LEASE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE HAVE OWNER AUTHORIZATION, THAT IS THE ONLY REQUIREMENT OF THE GRANT PROGRAM, BUT THE OWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO APPLY.
ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S GO STRAIGHT TO OUR FIRST DISCUSSION CASE.
WE HAVE A, UH, OWNER INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AT 25 0 2 JAR AVENUE.
AND WE'LL START WITH A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.
UH, SO MS. CONTRERAS, I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE BRIEFING.
DO WE HAVE ANOTHER BRIEFING? FIVE 17.
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ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE FIVE 17 BOLDEN AVENUE.YOU CAN SEE I'M TRYING TO LIKE PRETEND IT DOESN'T EXIST, BUT YES, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, HAVE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
ITEM TWO, UM, IS A BRIEFING ON A DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A PROPERTY OWNED BY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION TWO 11.0165 PROVIDES MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
AND IN 2019, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE AMENDED THAT AUTHORITY THROUGH HOUSE BILL 24 96 86 R IN ADDITION TO INTRODUCING A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION OVER OWNER OBJECTION.
THE BILL PROVIDED THAT PROPERTY OWNED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION MAY NOT BE DESIGNATED WITHOUT OWNER CONSENT.
PER THE MEMO IN YOUR BACKUP, UH, FROM 2021 TO COMPLY WITH CITY CODE AND STATE LAW, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE MUST ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE ALL APPLICATIONS FOR THE DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION OF A BUILDING OWNED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.
UM, THEREFORE, AT EACH MEETING, UH, WE WILL PROVIDE YOU ON THE COMMISSION WITH A BRIEFING REGARDING ANY SUCH, SUCH ACTION, UH, TAKEN SINCE THE PRIOR MEETING, UM, THE PROPERTY AT FIVE 17 BOLDEN AVENUE OWNED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, WAS APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1944 FOR THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
AND THE 2016 BOLDEN CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY LISTED THE ITEM AS A MEDIUM PRIORITY IN CONTRIBUTING TO A POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, AND ONE QUICK QUESTION, UH, MS. CONTRERAS, THE OWNER WAS NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A DOCUMENTATION PACKET? NO.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THESE WHERE, UM, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS DETERMINED THAT SINCE WE CAN'T REVIEW BASICALLY, UM, WE ALSO, UNLIKE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA, THAT AT THE VERY LEAST WE CAN SAY, HAVE A PERMANENT RECORD, UH, THAT IS ARCHIVED AT THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER BECAUSE THAT IS A REQUIREMENT AS WE ISSUE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR ONE OF THESE TYPES OF PROPERTIES.
BUT IN THIS CASE, OTHER THAN THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS ON OUR AGENDA, THERE'LL BE NO OTHER RECORD.
THOUGH THERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS INCLUDED IN THE DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION BECAUSE THERE IS NO STAFF REPORT TO PUT ON THE H L C AGENDA.
UH, THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE REGARDING THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, ARE LIMITED.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BY COMMISSIONERS? I I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S, I DON'T WANNA SAY LOOPHOLES, CAVEATS TO THE BILL THAT IT'S LIKE, 'CAUSE THEY DO STILL HAVE TO APPLY FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND FROM THERE, IT, IT FEELS LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE TO COME TALK TO US
AND IT IS NOT THAT LIKE WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO, UH, DESIGNATE THEIR PROPERTY HISTORIC, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SITUATION COMES UP IN OTHER CONTEXTS AND, AND THE PEOPLE ARE STILL, I, I GUESS THERE'S A CLOCK THAT STARTS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW UP, BUT SOMETIMES THEY DO AND WE GET THE CHANCE TO, TO GIVE IT, ITS ITS DAY IN FRONT OF THE DIOCESE, UM, SOMETIMES PERSUADE PEOPLE OF THE VALUE OF THEIR, HIS OF THEIR OLDER BUILDING, WHICH THEY MAY NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD WAS HISTORIC OR HAD OTHER MERIT.
SO I I I WONDER IF THERE'S, I SEE THAT WE'RE, WE LOOK AT THE BILL AS WRITTEN AND IT'S LIKE STARING AT THE SUN.
IF WE JUST LIKE LOOK A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT, WE'D BE LIKE, WELL, NO, NOTHING'S IN THE BILL SAYS WE CAN'T PUT THEM ON A CLOCK AND HAVE THEM COME TALK TO US, ASK THEM TO COME TALK TO US.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THE MEMO IN YOUR BACKUP ADDRESSES SOME OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, WHEN THIS BILL WAS PUT FORWARD IN 2019, WE, UH, WE TURNED IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO SEE, UM, HOW THESE DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATIONS WOULD WORK WITH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, TIMELINE AND PURVIEW.
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OF THOSE QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE, UH, MAY BE ANSWERED, UM, IN THAT PRIOR MEMO.THERE'VE BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE THAT HAS BEEN PASSED, AND IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE SAY OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MIGHT WANNA REVISIT, AT LEAST IT'D BE A WORTH WORTHY DISCUSSION.
WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION OVER HERE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
WE WERE TALKING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE RESTRICTIONS ON WHO CAN, WHO THIS APPLIES TO AS FAR AS A RELIGIOUS NONPROFIT, IF IT HAD TO BE A CHURCH OR NOT, OR IF THERE'S JUST ANY RELIGIOUS NONPROFIT ACCORDING TO TAX CODE, ANY 5 0 1 C THREE, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T WORSHIP IN A BUILDING.
HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY CONFIRMATION FROM LEGAL ON THAT? UM, THAT IS ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE MEMO, IN THE BACKUP.
UM, AS FAR AS CLARIFICATION OF THE GROUPS, UM, I CAN ASK AGAIN, BUT, UH, THE, THE MEMO AND THE LANGUAGE ITSELF IS PRETTY BROAD.
AND I THINK INITIAL DISCUSSION FROM LEGAL WAS THAT IT ONLY APPLIED TO CHURCHES 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE BILL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BILL SAYS.
AND SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE BILL TEXT AT THE TOP OF MY MIND, BUT UH, THE MEMO DOES KIND OF GO THROUGH.
IT SAID, YOU KNOW, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS PER TAX CODE, THAT'S IT.
UM, WHICH TO ME MEANS ANY, ANY NONPROFIT THAT CLAIMS TO BE RELIGIOUS CAN PURCHASE THESE PROPERTIES AND TEAR THEM DOWN.
LARES, QUICK FOLLOW UP TO, TO WIT'S QUESTION.
I, I DO THINK, UM, I WAS KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT OUR BACKUP PACKAGE HERE, AND I THINK WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO INVITE THEM.
THEY CAN DECLINE, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS EXTEND THE INVITATION.
I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, COULD YOU, UH, SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT? I CAN'T IT, I'M SORRY.
WE CAN ALWAYS, IN FOLLOWING UP TO YOUR COMMENT, WE CAN ALWAYS EXTEND THE INVITATION FOR THEM TO APPEAR.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS EXTEND THE INVITATION.
I'LL ASK, UH, OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN ASK NICELY
OR DO THEY GET AWAY WITH LIKE NONE OF THAT BURDEN THEY GET, THEY ARE RELIEVED OF ALL OF THAT BURDEN THAT ANY OTHER REGULAR CITIZEN WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO TEAR DOWN A BUILDING NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
AT LEAST FOR THIS COMMISSION, WHICH IS WHAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, THEY'RE NOT NOTICED FOR A COMMISSION HEARING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR DEMOLITION.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN, UH, CONFIRM WITH D S D AND GET BACK TO YOU ON.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY FEES FOR THE DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION ITSELF.
I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE WE, WE SHOULD BRING THEM TO THE, INVITE THEM TO THE COMMISSION AND THEREFORE NOTICE THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEREFORE CHARGE THEM THE FEE.
AND WELL, I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
THE FACT THAT THAT IN UNDER ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE, AT THE VERY LEAST, NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF A NOTIFICATION.
UM, THAT THAT IS MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH, UM, SINCE IT IS STILL A RELATIVELY NEW LAW.
AND AGAIN, I THINK WE, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE, WE'RE STILL CHEWING ON IT.
UH, I JUST WANNA ADD, I GUESS IN MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION OR PHOTOS, RIGHT? UM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BRING THEM FOR THE MONEY THING.
THAT COULD, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
BUT I THINK WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT IS TRYING TO GET DOCUMENTATION AND SOMEHOW KNOWING THAT THE STATE HAS TIED OUR HANDS, HOW DO WE AS A CITY REACT TO THAT AND SAYING, OKAY, DO WE NEED SOME KIND OF SURVEY OF WHAT THESE CURRENT RELIGIOUS PROPERTIES ARE? HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DO WE WORK WITH MAYBE A VOLUNTEERS OR AN ORGANIZATION KNOWING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE AND THIS IS WHAT'S ENDANGERED? UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THIS MAY NOT BE THE, THE CATHEDRAL THAT EVERYBODY IS GONNA STOP AND, AND PICK IT FOR, BUT THIS IS VERY TRADITIONAL TO THE CHURCH OF CHRIST'S FAITH, FAITH.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT HOUSES OF WORSHIP, THEY ALL LOOK DIFFERENT AND THEY HAVE THEIR REASONING, RIGHT? UM, SO NEXT MONTH IT COULD BE A CATHEDRAL, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OTHER CITY, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR THE STATE THAT IS GONNA BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE OF THESE RULES.
BUT IF WE CAN GET AHEAD OF THAT, HAVE A SURVEY, REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WANNA DO THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A LONG
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THOUGHT, RIGHT? YEAH.OF HOW WE DOCUMENT THEM IS ALL, WELL, WE THINK OF IT, THINK OF IT AS THE PUBLIC TRUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY 50 OR 60 YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE HAS A BRILLIANT WAY OF CREATING A VIRTUAL REALITY WHERE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE REPRODUCED FROM THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE EXCEPT FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, EVERY FIFTH OR SIXTH BLOCK THERE ARE THESE HOLES BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS THAT I USED TO CALL CHURCHES THAT AREN'T HERE ANYMORE.
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, BUT WE KIND OF VAGUE RECORDS OF THEM COMPARED TO WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE AS A RESOURCE FROM THE REST OF THE HISTORY.
SO I, I, AGAIN, I THINK IT, THIS IS ONE OF THESE WHERE A LOT OF THINGS GOT THROWN OUT ON THE TABLE REAL QUICKLY AND MAYBE SOME OF THE IMPLICATIONS NOW, UH, BY RAISING THEM, UH, WOULD ALLOW THIS TO BE EITHER THOUGHT THROUGH IN A DIFFERENT WAY OR PERHAPS IMPLEMENTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, NOT NECESSARILY THE QUESTION.
BUT A QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN, IS WE HAVE THESE RECURRING ITEMS THAT THE RESPONSES, WELL, WE'LL ASK LEGAL.
I WONDER IF WE CAN CREATE A PLACEHOLDER FOR THESE ITEMS AND JUST HAVE A EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH LEGAL ONE NIGHT TO LIKE GO THROUGH THE LIST OF THESE THINGS WE'VE PUT ON THE TABLE THAT, THAT HAS IN THE PAST BEEN A FUNCTION, A FUNCTION OF THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.
AND, AND, AND OPERATION BACK WHEN IT'S BEEN APPROPRIATE TO THE, THE LARGER COMMITTEE ON SOME SPECIFIC ITEMS. SO I THINK THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THAT PATTERN.
I THINK IN THIS CASE IT PROBABLY WILL WARRANT IT.
ALRIGHT, MS. CONTRERAS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, DELIVERING THE BRIEFING.
[4. C14H-2023-0079 – 2502 Jarratt Ave. – Discussion Griffin House]
NOW TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR AS I WAS TRYING TO GET US TO THE 25 0 2 JAR AVENUE.UH, THIS IS A OWNER INITIATED, UH, APPLICATION AND THE GRIFFIN HOUSE, UH, PRESENTATION.
UH, MS. CONTRERAS, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE C 14 H 20 23 0 0 79 IS AN APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING INITIATED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 25 0 2 JARRETT AVENUE.
UH, THIS BUILDING WAS DETERMINED ELIGIBLE AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK BACK IN 2016, UH, PER ARCHIVE CORRESPONDENCE WITH CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER STEVE SADOWSKI.
SO STAFF CAN RECOMMEND THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE TO SF THREE H M P.
THE APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING DESCRIBES THE BUILDING'S ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AS FOLLOWS.
THE HOUSE AT 25 0 2 JARRETT AVENUE STANDS AS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF THE COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE IN FORM AND DESIGN FROM THE 1930S.
IN THE THIRTIES AND THROUGHOUT THE FORTIES, A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF THE STYLE GREW DOMINANT, ASYMMETRICAL FACADES BECAME MORE COMMON, AND COLONIAL REVIVAL HOUSES IN GENERAL WERE CHARACTERISTICALLY REFRAMED IN ORNAMENTATION.
AND SIMPLER AND OUTLINE CHANGES IN FLUCTUATIONS IN THE ECONOMY CAUSED BY THE GREAT DEPRESSION IN THE LEAD UP TO WORLD WAR II CONTRIBUTED TO THESE CHANGES AS CONSTRUCTION BECAME MORE AUSTERE.
THIS IS EVIDENT IN THE OLD WEST AUSTIN HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALITY WAS ACHIEVED THROUGH SUBTLE STYLISTIC DETAILING, SUCH AS WINDOW GROUPING AND PORCH DESIGN, RATHER THAN ELABORATE APPLIED ORNAMENTATION.
THE RESTRAINT COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE OF 25 0 2 JARED AVENUE IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF THIS TREND REFLECTING THIS PERIOD OF TIME IN THE EVOLUTION OF THE STYLE.
THE APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING ALSO IDENTIFIES THE HOUSE'S ASSOCIATION WITH COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TRENDS OF THE 1930S, AS WELL AS ITS ASSOCIATION WITH JUDGE MEAD F AND DOROTHY GRIFFIN.
IT DESCRIBES THE GRIFFIN'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO TEXAS AS FOLLOWS, MEAD GRIFFIN WAS A SIGNIFICANT FIGURE IN THE TEXAS JUDICIAL LANDSCAPE IN THE MID 20TH CENTURY, SERVING ON BOTH THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT AND THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS.
GRIFFIN WROTE THE COURT'S OPINION FOR OVER 200 CASES, AND DURING HIS LAST 10 YEARS ON THE SUPREME COURT, HE SERVED AS A SENIOR JUDGE PRESIDING OVER THE COURT DURING THE ABSENCE OF THE CHIEF JUSTICE.
AFTER RETIRING FROM THE SUPREME COURT, GRIFFIN WAS APPOINTED TO THE TEXAS COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS, WHERE HE SERVED A YEAR BEFORE SERVING AS THE TEXAS ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL UNTIL 1971.
HE WAS INFLUENTIAL IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SUPREME COURT BUILDING IN AUSTIN IN 1959, AS WELL AS THE OTHER STATE BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 1950S AND SIXTIES.
OVER HIS LONG TENURE AT, AT TEXAS'S HIGHEST JUDICIAL LEVEL, GRIFFIN NOT ONLY IN INFLUENCED CONSIDERABLE LEGISLATION, BUT ALSO FREQUENTLY WORKED WITH LAW SCHOOLS AROUND THE STATE AND GAVE MANY TALKS TO GRADUATES, COMMUNITY GROUPS, VETERANS AND ACTIVE MILITARY.
HE ADDRESSED THE RACIAL STRIFE OF THE PERIOD IN HIS SPEECHES, INCLUDING COMMENCEMENT ADDRESSES FOR HOUSTON TILTS IN COLLEGE IN 1958 AND ODESSA COLLEGE IN 1960.
BORN IN AUSTIN, DOROTHY GRIFFIN RECEIVED DEGREES FROM BOTH NORTHWESTERN AND NEW YORK UNIVERSITY, A SIGNIFICANT FIGURE IN THE CHILD WELFARE MOVEMENT.
GRIFFIN WAS ACTIVE IN THE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, SAVED THE CHILDREN BY 1947.
SHE WAS THE STATE DIRECTOR OF THE ORGANIZATION AND RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS RELOCATION FROM DALLAS TO AUSTIN.
THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1938 AND THE APPLICATION
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OUTLINES THE BUILDING'S ALTERATIONS AS FOLLOWS, DESPITE SEVERAL ALTERATIONS OVER THE YEARS.THE HOUSE CONTINUES TO CONVEY THE COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE OF THE 1930S BUILT DURING THE HISTORIC PERIOD.
THE 1973 EDITION IS SET BACK FROM THE PLANE OF THE FRONT FACADE.
IT IS HISTORIC IN AGE AND HAS THUS ACHIEVED SIGNIFICANCE.
A 19 75 2 STORY REAR ADDITION TO THE ADDITIONAL PORTION OF, TO THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE HOUSE ADDED 190 SQUARE FEET.
AND IN 2016, THE CURRENT OWNERS ADDED A REAR ONE STORY EDITION TO THE 1973 EDITION, UH, AS WELL AS THE TWO STORY GARAGE APARTMENT IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE DEMOLISHED ORIGINAL GARAGE.
OTHER ALTERATIONS INCLUDE SIDING AND WINDOW REPLACEMENT, RAILING REMOVAL, CHIMNEY PAINTING, AND FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT.
UH, THE PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE OLD WEST AUSTIN NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WELL, UM, IF WE'RE FINISHED ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, UH, THEN WE CAN CALL UP THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PRESENTATION, BUT THEY'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M CHRISTINA COOPER SCHMIDT AND I DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION, UM, BUT I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
WELL, FIRST, MS. COOPERTON, UH, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR INITIATING THIS.
I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE BACKGROUND ON THE HOUSE AND A LOT OF THE DOCUMENTATION.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY DELIGHTFUL TO READ THROUGH YOUR PACKET.
UM, THE HOUSE, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER BASED ON ITS MERITS IN COMPARISON TO OTHERS THAT ARE IN THE PROGRAM.
AND, UH, I I AM, I'M, I'M SURE MY COMMISSIONERS ARE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS OF YOU, BUT, UM, WERE YOU INVOLVED AT ALL IN THE RENOVATIONS OF ANY OF THE PAST RENOVATIONS? NO, I'M NOT.
I'M JUST AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN, SO I JUST DID THE RESEARCH ON IT, BUT I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE, THE WORK ON THE HOUSE AT ALL.
UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS AS YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE BACKUP MATERIAL? IS THIS, IS THIS PUBLIC HEARING? IS THIS NOW WHAT WE DISCUSSED OR, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE ARE, ARE ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN, UH, IF, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE CAN ASK FOR ANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST BEFORE WE CAN TAKE A MOTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE OWNER, OF THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE? UM, I, I, I DO, I CAN JUST TELL YOU MY CONCERN, UH, HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UH, NEW SIGHTING ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND BUT YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THAT, SO YOU CAN'T RIGHT.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, LOOKS LIKE THAT IS ALL WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONER, UH, MCR, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF SINCE THIS IS OWNER INITIATED.
UM, WOULD OUR, WOULD OUR NEXT MOTION MEET BE TO RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING OR? YES.
UM, WELL, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO, I THINK IT'S REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING ON THE BASIS OF OUR ARCHITECTURE.
ACTUALLY, YOUR MOTION DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO REOPEN.
WE ONLY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT IF WE WERE POSTPONING IT.
BUT TAKING AN ACTION IS, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO REOPEN.
I JUST PRINTED THE, THE STAND THE MOTIONS.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE GOT IN TROUBLE FOR NOT DOING, DO WE HAVE TO REOPEN IN ORDER TO HAVE A MOTION TO NO ZONE HISTORIC RIGHT.
YOU MAY HAVE TO REOPEN IT FOR IT TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT.
AH, TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M GLAD SOMEBODY WAS LISTENING TO THE RETREAT.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS MARY SAID THAT WE NEEDED TO WORK ON, SO AH, OKAY.
WELL, WE WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT RIGHT, SO WE MAY AS WELL GET IT RIGHT.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIO, PLEASE RESTATE YOUR MOTION.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME REPEAT THAT
MOVE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING ON THE BASIS OF ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS.
UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? I SECOND A SECOND.
FROM COMMISSIONER, UM, CASTILLO.
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THIS POINT, WOULD THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WANT TO DISCUSS? SURE.UM, WELL, VERY IN DEPTH, UH, RESEARCH.
UM, I WAS TRYING, I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS IN THE SEVENTIES.
THIS PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE OLD WEST AUSTIN NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT.
UM, I WAS TRYING TO GET THE DATES OF THAT NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT IT WAS MAYBE AROUND 70 OR AFTER 73.
UH, LOOKS LIKE THIS NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT WAS 2003.
SO IN MY OPINION, IF IT'S, IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER, THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE 1973, UH, ADDITIONS.
I SEE NO, IS NO PROBLEM WHY WE SHOULD HAVE THAT MUCH OF A, A ISSUE AGAINST IT ON A LOCAL DESIGNATION LEVEL.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
AND, AND COMMISSIONER CASTILLO, YOU'RE SECOND.
UH, NO, AGAIN, I JUST TO ECHO, UM, IT, I JUST APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE, UM, DETAIL IN FOLLOWING UP WITH, WITH EVERYTHING, SO, OKAY.
AND LET ME JUST ADDRESS MY CONCERN.
UH, I I, I THINK THAT THERE ARE SO MANY ASPECTS TO THIS, PARTICULARLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE ASSOCIATION THAT MAKE IT A STRONG CANDIDATE.
THEY DO HAVE NEW SIDING AND THEY DO HAVE NEW WINDOWS.
AND I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE DENIED THAT REQUEST FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN OUR PROGRAM.
AND SO THIS IS A HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY HAD HARDY SIDING PUT ON IT, REPLACING WOOD SIDING.
AND THESE ARE NOT HISTORIC WINDOWS.
I JUST WONDER IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER VERY GOOD EXAMPLES OF THIS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT ARE IN MORE PRISTINE SHAPE.
UH, THIS IS SORT OF A NEW TIMEFRAME FOR THIS.
UH, I THINK WE'D PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION IF IT WAS ANOTHER 20 OR 30 YEARS FROM NOW.
BUT IF I'M LOOKING AT HOUSES OF THIS ERA AND PLACE IT ARCHITECTURALLY, THIS IS NOT TO DO WITH THE ASSOCIATION, BUT PLACE IT ARCHITECTURALLY COMPARED TO OTHERS.
I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WE'RE AT THAT STAGE YET WHERE I CAN SUPPORT IT.
BUT I, I, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AS A COMMISSION.
UM, I, I THINK WITH THAT IDEA, WITH THAT MINDSET IN THE BACK, IN THE BACK OF OUR HEADS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD NOT REQUIRE ANY CORRECTION BECAUSE IT'S NATIONAL REGISTER.
BUT BY DESIGNATING THIS, PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE WITH THE OWNER, WE COULD WORK TO THAT RIGHT.
WORK TO REPAIRING THESE THINGS, UM, TO ONE, IT'S ALREADY CONTRIBUTING.
IT'S, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THEIR HARDY SIDING OFF AND PUT ON WOOD.
NO, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY ABILITY TO EVEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
AND IT CAN BE DEMOED TOMORROW, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IT'S LOCAL DESIGNATION IS, IS A WAY FOR US TO KIND OF CORRECT THOSE SINS OF THE PAST, IN MY OPINION.
UH, COMMISSIONER ROCHE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? UH, I WAS INTERESTED WHY, WHAT THE BASIS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS WITH RESPECT TO ARCHITECTURE.
MS. CONTRERAS, I COMMISSIONER THE, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ORIGINALLY, UM, GOING OFF OF, UM, FORMER PRESERVATION OFFICER STEVE SADOWSKI RECOMMENDATION, UM, BASICALLY STATED THAT BECAUSE THE CHANGES WERE DONE IN KIND, IT DID NOT, UH, AFFECT THE BUILDING'S INTEGRITY, UM, AS CHANGE OF OPENING OR, UM, SOMETHING FURTHER REFIELD AND MATERIALITY WISE, LIKE ALUMINUM OR VINYL SIDING.
AND IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION IS, IS IT HARDY SIDING OR IS IT WOOD SIDING? DO WE KNOW? I BELIEVE WHAT'S ON THERE NOW IS HARDY SIDING.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN CONFIRM.
UH, DOES, CAN THE APPLICANT CONFIRM FOR US THAT OKAY, WE'RE HEARING YES.
THAT THAT IS A HARDY SIGHTING RIGHT NOW? I DO THINK THAT MAKES IT EXTREMELY CHALLENGING FOR US TO, GIVEN OUR PURVIEW OR FACADE AND OUR PAST OPINIONS ON SUCH.
AND, AND AGAIN, I I, IT, I'M TORN BECAUSE WERE THIS TO HAVE OTHER CHARACTERISTICS THAT WOULD MAKE IT RISE TO AN EXCEPTIONAL LEVEL.
BUT IT, IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND IT'S A PARTICULAR ERA THAT IS JUST ENTERING THE PROGRAM.
AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD EXAMPLES OF, SO THAT'S,
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THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M TORN, BUT I THINK IT IS AN ISSUE.COMMISSIONER COOK? UH, I, I AGREE.
I'M ALSO TORN, I'M LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS AND, AND IT, IT DOES SEEM TO CONVEY ITS SIGNIFICANCE IN THE ORIGINAL DETAILING.
THE, THE REPLACEMENTS DO SEEM VERY, UH, SENSITIVE.
UH, BUT I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BASED ON MY ONGOING CONCERN ABOUT RELIABILITY IN THIS PROCESS AND THE POST REPLACEMENT, UH, STATEMENT THAT'S ON RECORD, UH, BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER SUGGESTING THAT IT, IT WOULD QUALIFY AS A LANDMARK.
UH, SO I, I DON'T LIKE, UM, EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT AGREE WITH THAT 100%, I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL AGREE WITH THAT 75%.
AND, UH, IT'S ENOUGH FOR ME TO SUPPORT, UH, RELIABILITY IN, IN WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT'S BEING COMMUNICATED FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UH, I THINK IT'S AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE AND, AND I DON'T FEEL A HUNDRED PERCENT ON IT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S RELIABILITY THAT TIPS IT IN FAVOR FOR ME.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO A, TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING ON THIS HOUSE.
AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OH WAIT, I'M, I'M NOT RAISING MY HAND,
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE EVERYBODY PRESENT, UH, EXCEPT THOSE OPPOSED AND I WILL BE OPPOSED.
UH, SO, UH, LET THE RECORD STATE THAT, UM, WE HAVE THAT WOULD BE NINE, FOUR AND ONE AGAINST.
SO THE MOTION PASSES AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS A ZONING CHANGE AND SO THIS STILL WILL GO TO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE PRESENTED FOR THEIR APPROVAL, UH, IN THIS CASE WITH OWNER SUPPORT.
THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY, AND THEN IT WILL ALSO GO TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE FINAL ZONING.
UH, SO WE HOPE WE CAN WELCOME THIS PROPERTY INTO THE, UH, THE LANDMARK, UH, FAMILY.
UH, AND IF, IF I MAY ENCOURAGE STAFF TO IN FUTURE, UM,
LET THAT BE, LET THAT BE STATED.
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ITEM NUMBER FIVE.THIS IS, UH, POSTED FOR DISCUSSION, UH, 6 0 6 EAST THIRD STREET.
AND BECAUSE IT'S, UH, CONNECTED TO ITEM NUMBER 6 6 0 8 EAST THIRD STREET, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TAKE BOTH CASES TOGETHER.
I THINK, I THINK LAST TIME WE HEARD THEM SEPARATE, BUT THEN TABLE DISCUSSION ON THE FIRST ONE.
IS THAT APPROPRIATE THIS TIME OR WOULD, WOULD WE TAKE THEM TOGETHER THIS TIME? UM, THERE WOULD BE LESS MOTIONS IF WE TOOK THEM TOGETHER.
YEAH, I THINK THAT NOW SINCE THEY ARE IN THE SAME SECTION OF THE AGENDA, IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THIS TIME TO TAKE THEM TOGETHER THAN IT WOULD'VE BEEN LAST TIME.
THEN I MOVED TO TAKE THE AGENDA ITEMS TOGETHER.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FEATHERSTON AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LAROCHE.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
SO MS. CONTRERAS, WOULD YOU PLEASE BEGIN YOUR PRESENTATION ON BOTH ITEMS? NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX.
UM, AS WE HEARD THESE PRESENTATIONS, UH, SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION INITIATED APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING AT 6 0 6 EAST THIRD STREET.
UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST MONTH, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE BUILDING SUFFICIENTLY MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION.
IF SO, RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING.
UM, AND SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO RELEASE THE RELOCATION PERMIT IF THE BUILDING DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA, REQUIRE COMPLETION OF AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION THAT MEETS STATE STANDARDS PER THE 2016 COMMISSION MOTION, AS WELL AS COMPLETION OF A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE WITH MEASURE DRAWINGS.
UM, THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED OVER THE YEARS FOR THIS BUILDING ARE ARCHITECTURE AND COMMUNITY VALUE.
UM, THIS BUILDING IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A VERNACULAR DWELLING WITH SECOND EMPIRE INFLUENCES.
AND WHILE THE PROPERTY DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE SPECIFIC HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS, IT PROVIDES INSIGHT INTO THE CHANGING PATTERNS OF AUSTIN'S HOUSING HISTORY.
AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE STYLE TYPE, LOCATION, AND CONDITIONS OF LOWER TO MIDDLE INCOME AUSTINITES DURING THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY, UH, THE BUILDING HAS RELATIVELY HIGH INTEGRITY AS IT'S BEEN RESTORED OVER THE
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YEARS, AND MOST EXISTING ALTERATIONS APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED DURING THE HISTORIC PERIOD.ITEM NUMBER SIX, AGAIN, IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK MISSION INITIATED APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING AT 6 0 8 EAST THIRD STREET.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THE SAME, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE BUILDING SUFFICIENTLY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION.
IF SO, RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING AND IF NOT, UH, REQUIRE COMPLETION OF AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION PER THE 2016 MOTION AND A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
THIS BUILDING ALSO QUALIFIES UNDER ARCHITECTURE AND COMMUNITY VALUE, UM, AS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A HALL AND PARLOR HOUSE IN THE NATIONAL FOLK STYLE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WHILE THE PROPERTY DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE SPECIFIC HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS, IT PROVIDES INSIGHT INTO THE CHANGING PATTERNS OF AUSTIN'S HOUSING HISTORY.
UM, THIS BUILDING ALSO HAS RELATIVELY HIGH INTEGRITY AT IS AS IT HAS BEEN RESTORED OVER THE YEARS, AND MOST OF THE EXISTING ALTERATIONS APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED DURING THE HISTORIC PERIOD.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS, YOU'LL RECALL, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ON, UH, MORE, MOST RECENTLY ON OUR AGENDA AS APPLICATIONS FOR RELOCATION.
UH, THOSE BASICALLY GOT SET ASIDE AND NOW THEY'RE POSTED FOR A HISTORIC ZONING.
SO WHEN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANTS RECOGNIZE THESE WOULD MOST LIKELY BE THE APPLICANTS WHO ARE ASKING TO MOVE THESE HOUSES.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND CAN WE HEAR FROM, FROM THE APPLICANTS, FROM THE ORIGINAL APPLICANTS? IF THEY'RE HERE, THEY CAN COME TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE WARREN WELLBORN.
THE THE HOUSES ARE, ARE, UH, YOU READ, GO AHEAD AND REINTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I, I'M WARREN WELLBORN, I'M STRUCTURED IN THAT SOLUTION.
I HAD 33 YEARS HOUSE HOUSES TO BE MOVED, IS WHAT I DO.
AND SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS I, WE NEVER SET, WE NEVER TELL OUR STUFF OWN HOUSE MOVING.
SO I WANTED TO SHARE SOME OF THAT WITH YOU.
THE COTTAGE BECOMES THE LONGEST LOAD.
IT'S TWO HOUSES BECOME FOUR LOADS AND THEY'RE 60 FEET LONG.
IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE THE HOUSES ON THESE LOTS WITH THE COTTAGE GONE COMPLETELY, STILL PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE EXCEPT IN CONSTANT MOTION.
SO THAT MEANS BLOCKING THIRD STREET, THREE APDS, THE, UH, ROLLMAN TO STOP TO, TO SHUT DOWN.
THIRD, THE POLICE, THE SITE PLAN, UH, EXEMPTION THE RELOCATION.
AND ON THE OTHER END ANOTHER SHERIFF TO PICK US UP THE NEXT DAY.
SO SOMETHING HAS TO MOVE OVER.
THE SECOND LOAD IS GONNA BE THE TOP HALF.
AND I GAVE YOU AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE RED LINE AROUND THE TOP.
THE TOP WILL BE SUSPENDED IN THE AIR.
SO THE OTHER TWO PARTS HAVE TO DISPLACE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO THAT THAT TOP CAN COME STRAIGHT DOWN ON TWO 12 INCH BEAMS. SO THE WAY THAT IT HAS TO BE CONSTANTLY MOVED AROUND AND THEN COME OUT.
SO, SO IT'S A LOT OF COORDINATION.
SO NEITHER 23 DAYS IN THE AGGREGATE IS WHAT IT COMES OUT TO WITH NO SPARE.
I TRIED TO GIVE YOU A CALENDAR OF HOW MOVING WORKS.
THERE'S NO MOVING ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHTS.
THE GUYS AREN'T GONNA WORK ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AND TAG ON AT LEAST ONE DAY TO EACH END OF A HOLIDAY.
AND SO THESE 95 DAYS, THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR COME DOWN TO 55 POSSIBLE WORK DAYS.
BUT YOU CAN FIGURE ABOUT NINE HOUSES WILL MOVE IN THERE.
SO YOU NEED ABOUT, THERE'LL BE ABOUT NINE OF THE POOL NIGHTS.
AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, KAYLIN OR THE PRESERVATION OFFICER SAYING, YOU KNOW, I DOESN'T WANNA DO ANYTHING TO LET THESE BE EXPOSED TO DEMOLITION.
AND WHAT I REALIZED IS DOING THE, MY YEAR IN EARLY IS YES, THEY'RE EXPOSED TO DEMOLITION, BUT THE, BUT, BUT IT'S ACCELERATING, ACCELERATING FROM THE FUTURE TO, TO BACK TO HERE, SPEEDING UP THE EXPOSURE.
IF THESE GOT ROLLED INTO 24, THEN YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OPEN TO DEMOLITION.
I'VE REACHED OUT AND HAD AN IN-OFFICE WITH DISTRICT ONE WITH MADISON AND PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH DISTRICT NINE WITH ZOE AND THEN PLEASE TRY TO GET WORD TO THE PLANNING.
AND I HOPE STAFF WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO LET, TO EXPOSE THESE TO DEMOLITION.
AND I WANT TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOUSE MOVING.
'CAUSE YOU HEAR RELOCATION OVER DEMOLITION.
I HAD TO STRUGGLE REALLY HARD TO GET THAT PUT INTO THIS ANNOUNCEMENT.
AND I DID IT NOT BEFORE THOUGH.
I BUILT THE POSITIVE BID MARKET IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, WHICH DIFFERENTIATES FROM ANY OTHER TOWN.
AND SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HEAR RELOCATION OVER DEMOLITION, THERE'S 1,450 PLUMBERS IN AUSTIN, TEXAS AND THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION HOUSE MOVERS IN CANADA AND THE US THERE'S 250 A FRACTION OF THOSE ARE HOUSE MOVERS AND THOSE ARE ALSO OVERLAY INTO THE 60 OR SO THAT ARE IN THE, THERE'S 450 PLUMBERS, THERE'S
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TWO HOUSE MOVERS CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE HOUSE MOVER AND ONLY ONE HOUSE MOVER AND I ARE GONNA TOUCH THIS HOUSE AND TO DO A SUSPENSION MOVE IN DOWNTOWN AUSTIN, ONCE YOU OPEN UP THE HOUSE AND SPLIT 'EM IN HALF, THEY CAN'T STAY.
SO I NEED 10 DAYS OF THE 23 DAYS HAVE TO BE SEQUENTIAL.
THEY'RE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SPEND THE NIGHT WITH THE ENTIRE HALF OPEN AND THE TOP.
SO OUT OF ALL THESE DAYS, I KNOW HALF OF SEPTEMBER I HAVE HOUSE TWO HOUSES MOVED, SO WE CAN TAKE THAT 20 DAYS DOWN TO ABOUT 10.
THE MOVER HAS HOUSE SCHEDULED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, I'M NOT PRIVY TO 'EM, YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW KIND OF ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE.
VERY FEW HOUSES WILL MOVE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS WHEN YOU HEAR RELOCATION OVER DEMOLITION, I HAVE ALL THAT CASE DATA AND THEY GO TO THE DUMP AND JUST KNOW THAT, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY GO BECAUSE IT'S NOT A MATHEMATICAL PHYSICAL POSSIBILITY THAT THEY BE MOVED.
AND SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT HOW THAT, THAT HOW MANY HOUSE MOVERS THERE ARE HERE AND HOW MANY WILL GET MOVED.
AND IF YOU MULTIPLIED IT, MANY TIMES THERE ARE FAR, FAR MULTIPLE, AT LEAST SIX TIMES MORE PLUMBERS IN AUSTIN, THERE ARE HOUSE MOVERS ON THE PLANET EARTH.
AND SO IN CASE ANYBODY THOUGHT YOU JUST GOT IN THE PHONE BOOK AND LOOKED UP A HOUSE MOVER, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
AND SO THE TIME IS CHOKING AND IT'S COMING TO HERE.
WHAT HE KNOWS IS, IS ABOUT THE LEGISLATION.
AND I WOULDN'T, AND MY FOCUS IS NOT ON THE SUPER MAJORITY, BUT IT IS ON THE IMPACTS WHEN THEY CHANGE THOSE WORDS TO IMPACT STUDY A MATERIAL FACT AND TO DO AN IMPACT STUDY FOR A GIANT BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A MINEFIELD AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
AND I SIT ON YOUR SIDE OF THE BENCH AND I'VE NEVER DEMOLISHED A HOUSE.
AND SO WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TO YOU IS, IS THE TIME IS CHOKING IN, AND IT COULD BE NEXT WEEK THAT IT'S, THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT INTO THE, INTO THIS YEAR'S MOVE.
YOU SEE, IT'S NOT WHEN THEY MOVE, IT'S THAT IT'S INSIDE THE SCHEDULE NOW, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE SCHEDULE.
SO IT HAS TO BE INSIDE THE SCHEDULE WITH HIS ARE MOVING AROUND.
AND I HAVE TWO SO FAR AND I'M NOT GONNA CROWD THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS MY DROP DEAD DATE.
SO I'M GONNA SHOOT FOR OCTOBER ON TWO.
HE HAS HIS, THERE'S, IT'S LIMITED.
SO I'M, I'M JUST CRYING OUT THAT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE CAN PUT IT TOGETHER TO COORDINATE WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO MOVE THE HOUSES AND IT'S 23 DAYS.
MR. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
BEFORE YOU LEAVE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS, SIR? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON EITHER 6 0 6 EAST THIRD STREET OR 6 0 8 EAST THIRD STREET? AND PLEASE COME TO THE MIC AND REINTRODUCE YOURSELF.
YES, GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IT IS MY PLEASURE TO BE BACK WITH YOU.
MY NAME IS HERVEY FRANKS AND I'M A MASTER GARDENER AND I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT HISTORICAL PRESERVATION AND I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE.
IT IS A HOUSE THAT I HAVE LOVED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND I WORK IN DILIGENTLY TO HAVE THE PERFECT PLACE FOR THIS HOME.
I AM MOVING THIS HOME JUST SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN, 30 MINUTES OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN TO A HISTORIC, UH, AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A HISTORIC FREEMAN COLONY SCHOOL THERE.
WE HAVE A HISTORIC CHURCH THAT IS ALSO A COMMUNITY CENTER IN THE AREA.
I'M BEING UMBRELLAED BY THE ST.
JOHN'S, UH, COLONY CENTER TO DO GARDENING PROGRAMS FOR KIDS AND ADULTS.
I TEACH KIDS AND ADULTS OF ALL RACES AND ALL SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS.
IT IS SO IMPORTANT, UM, FOOD SUSTAINABILITY.
AND THIS WILL BE MY TEACHING FACILITY AND MY HOME ON MY HISTORIC FARM.
IT WILL BE CALLED CHATEAU ROUGE AT RENAISSANCE RANCH.
UH, WE AS AFRICAN AMERICANS HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY GOTTEN MOVED OUT OF AUSTIN.
UH, WE ARE A HISTORIC COMMUNITY HERE.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS BUILDING IN AUSTIN AS MY BUSINESS SO I CAN TEACH HORTICULTURE AND GARDENING.
IT IS NOWHERE I CAN AFFORD THE PROPERTIES TO DO THAT.
I'VE SPENT A ALL MY MONEY, UH, TO CREATE ROADS, TO KNOCK DOWN TREES, TO PUT THE PLATE, TO PUT THE HOUSE THERE.
IT'S GONNA SIT AMONGST 200 YEAR OLD OAK TREES AND IT WILL LOOK LIKE IT HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER.
AND AS A MASTER GARDENER, IT WILL BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HORTICULTURE FACILITY FOR OUR FUTURE CHILDREN TO COME OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN AND KNOW WHERE FOOD COMES
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FROM.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, MS. FRANKS.
IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON EITHER OF THESE TWO ITEMS? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE? WELL, I GUESS THESE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION BECAUSE THE, THE MOVE IS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE IF THAT INITIATION IS CONTINUED.
SO, UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS FROM THE PUBLIC, THEN I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
EXCUSE ME, CAN I SPEAK IN FAVOR? OH, PLEASE.
OKAY, SIR, PLEASE COME TO THE MIC AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
UH, I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AND RESIDENT OF 6 0 4 EAST THIRD STREET, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THESE TWO BUILDINGS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS, UH, REGARDING THE LAST MEETING FROM IN JULY.
UH, I BELIEVE Y'ALL REQUESTED THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY PRESENT WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR A SUPPOSED $650 MILLION PROJECT.
UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT HERE TONIGHT.
SO, UM, I WOULD NUMBER ONE JUST ASK FOR POSTPONEMENT.
AND IF THAT IS AN OPTION, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO POSTPONE.
NOW I'LL SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE, OF THE PRESERVATION OF THESE HOUSES.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DIDN'T, THAT DIDN'T COME UP LAST TIME WAS THAT THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THESE HOUSES LIVE THERE, OKAY? THERE ARE SEVEN HISTORIC STRUCTURES WITHIN A STONE'S THROW THESE TWO BUILDINGS, OKAY? TO BE MORE TECHNICAL, LEMME JUST SAY A HUNDRED FEET.
AND EVERY BUILDING, EVERY STRUCTURE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THESE TWO BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNATED HISTORIC BY EITHER THE CITY OF AUSTIN OR, OR I BELIEVE THEY'RE NATIONAL HISTORIC.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONDITIONS FOR, UH, DESIGNATING OR ACTUALLY THE QUALIFICATIONS, EXCUSE ME, FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, UH, CERTAINLY ARCHITECTURE IS SOMETHING THAT IS JUST, I THINK BY DEFAULT THESE ARE ARCHITECTURAL GYMS, UM, REGARDING COMMUNITY VALUE.
THESE HOUSES, THESE TWO HOUSES ARE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY OF NINE BUILDINGS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET THAT ARE HISTORIC.
AND SO I I, I REALLY THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IN THAT CONTEXT.
THIS IS PART OF WHAT WAS CALLED THE WATERLOO COMPOUND.
THERE WERE SEVEN BUILDINGS THERE, TWO OF WHICH ARE ON MY PROPERTY, INCLUDES MOONSHINE.
THEY HAVE THREE STRUCTURES THERE.
THEY'RE ALL DESIGNATED HISTORIC.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE PRESERVE THESE FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WE AS ANOTHER OPTION IF YOU WANNA POSTPONE SO THAT WE CAN HEAR WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE.
UH, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE THAT THEY CAN PUT $650 MILLION PROJECT ON A EIGHT, 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
IT HAS, THERE'S A LOT BIGGER PICTURE HERE THAT IS NOT BEING DESCRIBED TO YOU OR YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, SO, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE, UH, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO PLEASE, UH, DESIGNATE THEM HISTORIC IF YOU DO DECIDE NOT TO POSTPONE.
ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? OKAY.
MR. SEGAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, BY THE WAY, I'VE VISITED THESE BUILDINGS MANY, MANY TIMES AND, UH, THEY ARE OF EXCELLENT QUALITY.
THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE FOR 130 YEARS IF THEY WEREN'T.
AND, UH, AND THEY NEED TO BE PRESERVED.
UM, WAS THERE ANY RESPONSE FROM THE OWNERS, UH, ABOUT WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS MIGHT BE? UH, AND, AND THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY COME INTO CONSIDERATION IN OUR DISCUSSIONS ANYWAY, BUT IT WAS A REQUEST.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED FURTHER COMMUNICATION FROM THE BUILDING OWNER AT THIS TIME.
UM, THE, UM, NEW BUILD FOR THIS PROPERTY, JUST AS A REMINDER, IS NOT WITHIN THIS MISSION'S PURVIEW, UM, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, RIGHT.
IT IS, IT IS A, ON A, ON THE MERITS OF THAT, OF THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES.
THOUGH, THOUGH, AS IS THE CASE WITH MANY OF THE DOWNTOWN PROPERTIES, THERE ARE A LOT OF ECONOMIC PRESSURES, UM, THAT, WELL, WE'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT THAT, THAT PLACES A BURDEN ON PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE 75 DAYS ONLY TO REVIEW THIS CASE.
EVEN WITH IN INITIATION, THE 75 DAYS BEGAN LAST MONTH ON AUGUST 2ND.
WE HAVE UNTIL, UH, SEPTEMBER 18TH TO, UH, CLOSE OUT THE REVIEW FOR THIS CASE.
OTHERWISE, IT'LL BE, UH, RELEASED BY STAFF, UH, FOR THE RELOCATION PERMITS, WHICH MEANS YOU ALL CAN POSTPONE AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME, BUT AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, THERE NEEDS TO BE ACTION, OTHERWISE IT WILL TIME OUT ON THE 18TH.
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WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL, UH, FOR YOU NEWER MEMBERS, THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR AGENDA IN VARIOUS WAYS, AND IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, WE HEARD OF THE EXTRAORDINARY EFFORTS THAT WENT ON TO TRY TO GET THESE RELOCATED INTO A WAY THAT THEY COULD STAY IN THEIR ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.WE TRIED TO ENLIST ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT THAT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL.
UH, THIS OWNER HAS BASICALLY BEEN ASKED AND HAS BEEN WILLING UP TO THIS POINT TO TRY A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO, TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN FOR THESE HOUSES.
I THINK IF THIS WAS OUR FIRST BITE AT THE APPLE, I PERSONALLY WOULD FEEL LIKE WE WOULD HAVE A, A MAYBE SOME VARIETY OF, OF WAYS TO WORK WITH HISTORIC ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT.
BUT I ALSO CAUTION THAT, UM, IF, IF AN ACTION DOES NOT ALLOW A MOVE THAT COMMISSION MEMBERS KEEP IN MIND THAT THE DEMOLITION IS NOT AN IDLE THREAT, THAT THEY, THEY'VE BEEN ON THE BRINK FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
SO I'LL JUST, I'LL, I'LL PUT, POINT THAT OUT BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONER, UH, FEATHERSTON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING ON THE BASIS OF, WELL, FOR BOTH PROPERTIES, 6 0 6 AND 6 0 8 EAST THIRD STREET ON THE BASIS OF ARCHITECTURE AND COMMUNITY VALUE.
AND I WILL SPEAK TO THAT FOR A SECOND.
UM, UH, LET'S WAIT UNTIL YOU GET A SECOND.
IS THERE A SECOND TO, UM, COMMISSIONER'S? UH, MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RUBIO, WHAT IS YOUR MOTION? YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE PALM PALM SCHOOL DISTRICT IS, I THINK, IS VERY MUCH IN THE FOREFRONT OF THE CITY'S VIEW AS WELL AS THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT WAS JUST A YEAR AGO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, RECEIVED THE, THE DRAFT PLAN OF WHAT THE PALM DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, MASTER PLAN LOOKS LIKE.
AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY HERE TO, YOU KNOW, BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
UH, THE CITY HAS STAKE THERE, RIGHT? WE HAVE CITY PROPERTIES NEARBY IN THAT DISTRICT, I BELIEVE.
UM, THE KEY PART OF THAT DISTRICT THAT I NOTE AT THE END OF THIS PLAN IS TOGETHER AUSTIN CREATED, CAN CREATE A DISTRICT WHERE THE, THE PAST IS HONORED, CULTURE IS CELEBRATED, AND THE FUTURE IS SHAPED.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR SENTIMENTS ABOUT THIS IS A, A COMMUNITY DISTRICT, RIGHT? THAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE TOGETHER, UH, THEY STAND WITH EACH OTHER.
AND IT IS RARE THAT WE HAVE THESE TWO PROPERTIES, LET ALONE TWO PROPERTIES FROM 1887 AND APPROXIMATELY 1880 OR 88, 18 82.
UM, THESE ARE VERY EARLY BUILDINGS WHERE IN MANY OTHER CITIES OR STATES, YES, IT'D BE A NO, IT'D BE A NO QUESTION, YOU KNOW, NO QUESTIONS ASKED THAT WE CAN DO THIS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A TOUGH ROAD FOR THESE PROPERTIES, BUT, UH, WE ALSO CAN'T BE AFRAID THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A DEMOLITION WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO DEMOLISH THESE HISTORIC RESOURCES EVERY, EVERY MONTH.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO, TO HAVE OR TO LIVE IN THAT FEAR AND SAY, WELL, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
UH, AND I THINK OUR JOB IS TO GIVE IT MERIT.
UH, CITY STAFF AND MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE SAID THIS, THIS HAS MERIT.
IT'S, IT'S UP TO US TO GIVE IT THAT FINAL STAMP AND SEND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, I, I, I HOPE EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, WOULD KIND OF SEE TO THOSE THINGS AND, UH, AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NEVER SEE IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S RELOCATED OR EVEN IF IT'S DEMOLISHED.
UM, AND, AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OWNER OR THE RELOCATION PLANS AT ALL, JUST STRICTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS BEING IN THAT DISTRICT AND, AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT.
AND COMMISSIONER COOK? YES, I SECOND ALL THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, I WAS MOVED BY THE TESTIMONY ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF MOVING, UH, THAT STARTED TO SWAY MY OPINION, BUT I DO KNOW THE TIMELINE OF GETTING A PERMIT TO START CONSTRUCTION ON A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, UH, BEFORE THEY KNOW THE STATUS OF THESE PROPERTIES IS SUCH, I THINK THERE WILL STILL BE TIME IN THE FUTURE TO RELOCATE THESE.
I, I DO THINK AS A LAST RESORT, THE RELOCATION, UH, IS A SOUND, UH, SOLUTION WITH POSITIVE BENEFITS.
BUT OUT OUT OF CONTEXT, THERE, THERE ARE GREAT HISTORIC HOUSES, UM, IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.
AND THE CONTEXT HERE, AS NOTED WITH WHAT'S LEFT OF RAINY STREET, CUTTING A SWATH WITH PALM SCHOOL AND THE PARK AND WALTER CREEK AND THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH WALL CREEK AND ALL THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ON UP TO BRUSH SQUARE THROUGH SIXTH STREET, UP TO CONGRESS AVENUE THROUGH THE CAPITAL COMPLEX.
AND THE UT AND HYDE PARK JUST CUTS THE SWATHS THROUGH THE CITY, THROUGH THE CITY, WHERE YOU CAN REALLY GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE
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CITY USED USED TO BE.AND, UH, THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT LIVING IN FEAR, UH, WE HAVE HAD MADE DECISIONS IN THE PAST IN FEAR THAT INVOLVED RETAINING BUSINESSES THAT INVOLVED RETAINING FACADES.
UH, THIS, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES FOR, FOR THE CITY WOULD BE A LOSS OF THESE PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THOUGH THE RELOCATION, I THINK IS, IS, UM, WILL HAVE A POSITIVE BENEFITS OUTSIDE THE CITY, UM, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE ROAD FOR THE, THE ASSESSMENT OF THESE IS GONNA STOP HERE.
I, I, SUPER MAJORITY IS A REALLY HARD HURDLE TO CROSS.
UH, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MAKE OUR DECISIONS BASED ON THE FEAR OF THAT.
WHEN, WHEN THE ALTERNATIVE IS LOSING THESE FOR THE CITY, UH, AGAIN, THE, THE ARGUMENT FOR THE, THE ALTERNATE USE OF THESE AND THE RELOCATION WAS REALLY STRONG.
UH, BUT THE CONTEXT OF THESE IS, FOR ME IS JUST OVERWHELMING, UH, WOULD BE AN OVERWHELMING LOSS.
I DO HAVE A QUICK REQUEST, UM, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE SUPER MAJORITY AND SOME OF THE NEWER MEMBERS, JUST STAFF, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD JUST REMIND US, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE OF THESE NOMINATIONS THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL WITH AN OWNER'S SUPPORT.
AND ONE THAT STATE LAW, AGAIN, ANOTHER RECENT CHANGE IN STATE LAW THAT HAPPENS WHEN AN OWNER OBJECTS.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, LET'S CONFIRM, WE DO HAVE AN OWNER THAT IS AGAINST HISTORIC ZONING.
SO WOULD YOU REVIEW WITH US WHAT, WHAT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SUPER MAJORITY, BUT BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO CASES IN WHICH THE OWNER IS OPPOSED TO HISTORIC DESIGNATION REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY AT HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION OR PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND FOR, FOR, FOR ALL PURPOSES, THAT WOULD BE, SO, UH, UH, OUR 11 MEMBER BODY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UH, NINE VOTES, I BELIEVE NINE VOTES.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE SAME, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK THERE ARE 13 MEMBERS, SO 10, I'LL HAVE TO CONFIRM.
AND THEN AGAIN, BUT IT'S QUARTERS, SUPER MAJORITY OF TWO THIRDS OF OF COUNCIL AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR, IT'S A THREE QUARTER SUPER MAJORITY, NOT A TWO-THIRDS, THREE QUARTERS.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND IT IS A SUPER MAJORITY OF US, OR PLANNING PLUS CITY COUNCIL.
BUT SINCE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TO PLANNING, UNLESS WE APPROVE IT BY SUPERMAJORITY, IT'S EFFECTIVELY US IN COUNCIL.
WELL, WE COULD PASS IT AT WITHOUT A SUPER MAJORITY AND IT WOULD GO TO PLANNING AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO A SUPER MAJORITY AND THEY WOULD NEED THE SUPER MAJORITY.
SO WE COULD STRAIGHT LINE PASS IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T, YEAH.
THEN IT WOULD HAVE SUCH A WEAK RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING THAT.
YEAH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THE EXPERTS, FIND IT.
UM, AGAIN, APPRECIATE JUST HAVING THAT SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS.
UM, AND JUST TO SPEAK TO COMMISSIONER KOCH'S COMMENTS EARLIER, UM, STAFF IS COMMITTED TO, UM, SCHEDULING ANY FUTURE HEARINGS AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE IN THE HOPES THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT AND PROSPECTIVE OWNER ARE ABLE TO, UM, FULFILL THEIR COMMITMENTS TO RELOCATION, UH, BEFORE THE, UM, TIMELINE SHOULD RUN OUT ON THAT RELOCATION.
UM, SO WE WILL, UH, WE WILL DO OUR BEST
SO IT'S THE, IT'S THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION OR PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I'M JUST, I STARTED THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, DECISIONS AND UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES BASED ON FEAR AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MITIGATE THAT FEAR? HOW, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD, I'LL TRY AND WORK THROUGH MY THOUGHTS AS IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER AS THEY CAME TO ME.
UM, HOW DO WE MITIGATE THAT FEAR? IS THERE WHERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD AMEND THIS MOTION? OR, OR DO WE HAVE LEVERS THAT WE CAN PULL THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT IF ALONG THIS PROPERTY'S JOURNEY IT DOES FALL OFF THE POSSIBILITY OF BECOMING HISTORICALLY ZONED, IT COULD REVERT TO THE RELOCATION.
AND COMMISSIONER COOK SPOKE TO THE CASE FOR RELOCATION, AND YOU SAID WAS VERY COMPELLING, I WOULD SAY IS, IS A VERY STRONG CASE, UM, IN THE, IN THE PRESENT TENSE.
IT JUST MAY BE A STRONGER CASE FOR HISTORIC ZONING.
UM, AND THE FEAR IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE AND WE, WE ABANDON THE OTHER.
I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK CREATIVELY AGAIN ABOUT HOW WE COULD AMEND THAT MOTION THAT IT COULD BE CARRIED ON THAT AT SOME STEP ALONG THE WAY, IT COULD REVERT TO THE RELOCATION AND NOT BE LOST ALL TOGETHER.
UM, WELL JUST IF I COULD, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION'S SAKE, SO FAR, SINCE ALL OF THIS NEW REALITY HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD, NO CASE AT ALL THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED OVER AN OWNER'S OBJECTION HAS GONE FORWARD.
JUST OUR RECORD, OUR RECORD RIGHT NOW IS NOT
SO, AND THAT'S NOT VERY PROMISING.
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YEAH.THE, THE WHAT IFS IN MY HEAD ABOUT THE TECHNICALITIES, IF WE PASS THIS, UM, THE MOTION PASSES WITH A SUPER MAJORITY HERE.
IT IN THEORY COULD GO TO PLANNING, COMMISSION AND PASS, BUT WITH NOT A SUPER MAJORITY.
AND IT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND ALL OF THOSE BITS AND PIECES OF TECHNICALITIES, UM, I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT SIMPLY TO THE TIMELINE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US RELATIVE TO WHAT, WHEN RELOCATION COULD HAPPEN OR WOULD IT WOULD REVERT TO DEMOLITION.
I THINK STAFF HAS MORE CLARIFICATION.
UM, AND JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF THE, UH, APPLICATION GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND RECEIVES NO RECOMMENDATION THERE, IT WILL ONLY PROCEED TO CITY COUNCIL ON FIRST READING, UM, INSTEAD OF ALL THREE READINGS.
UM, NOW, AS IN NO RECOMMENDATION OR IS A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE NO RECOMMENDATION.
OH, IT GOT REAL COMPLICATED WHEN THE STATE STARTED TINKERING WITH OUR STATUTES.
BUT IF, IF I COULD NOTE, IF IT FAILS AT CITY COUNCIL, A RELOCATION WOULDN'T HAVE NO PROCESS.
THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DEEMED NON HISTORIC.
AND SO WE WOULDN'T START ANY NEW CLOCKS.
IT WOULD JUST BE UP FOR GRABS AT THAT POINT AND COULD BE RELOCATED QUICKLY AND EXPEDITIOUSLY AFTER IT FAILS OR DEMOLISHED.
I WOULD ALSO, OR DEMO, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY ZONED IT, NOT HISTORIC.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF IT DOES GO TO COUNCIL, UH, BUT IT IS NOT DEEMED HISTORIC THAT WE WOULD NOT RECEIVE A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE AND IT WOULD BE RELEASED ADMINIST, THE PERMIT WOULD BE RELEASED ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, THE RELOCATION PERMIT.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S ON FILE.
BUT IF THAT WAS TO BE, THE COMMISSION SEES YOU ALL SEE, UH, RELOCATION, DEMOLITION PER, UH, PERMITS AS THE SAME THING.
SO IF THEY WERE TO COME BACK WITH A DEMOLITION, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE IT.
IT WOULD NOT COME BACK BECAUSE THERE ALREADY WOULD'VE BEEN AN ACTION.
SO THEREFORE, THAT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE WAIVED.
INTERESTING POSITION WE HAVE OURSELVES IN, UM, I DID CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, DIDN'T I? YES, YES.
UH, IS THERE, UH, MR. WELLBORN, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU WANT US TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED, BUT IF YOU HAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT IS WARRANTED, WE COULD CERTAINLY ASK YOU A QUESTION.
HE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING TO INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING.
THAT MOTION, THAT THAT MOTION IS ON THE TABLE.
THAT IS, WE ARE DISCUSSING THE MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING.
SO AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, IT'S CLOSED.
WELL, WE ARE, WE DON'T HAVE A, DID WE, DID WE GET A MOTION? YES.
AND SECOND IT, AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DISCUSSING IT.
SO, AND AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE,
UM, IF I KNOW THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, BUT WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, CORRECT? YES.
UH, MR. WELBURN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT THE TIMELINE THAT MAY ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE? A MOVING, PLEASE, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, WOULD BE MY QUESTION TO YOU.
THE MOVING EXPEDITIOUSLY, ONCE THIS, UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT THIS HOUSE OR WHICH HOUSE, BUT IT WON'T MOVE EXPEDITIOUSLY, AND IT WILL NOT BE A REACTIONARY MOVE TO DISTILL.
THERE'LL BE A SCHEDULE, IT WILL BE AN ORDER, AND IT WILL BE STUCK WITH AN ORDER.
WHEN WE TELL SOMEBODY, WE GO, WE MOVE IT, AND WE FINISH AND GO TO THE NEXT.
SO IT'S, THERE WON'T BE A REACTION TO MOVE IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S, IT'S CLOSING IN WHAT'S IN THE SCHEDULE, WILL SLOT ON THE SCHEDULE, AND THAT LITTLE PROPERTY IS AN ENTRANCE TO THE TO DO THAT'S COMING.
IT'S THEN THE DRIVEWAY, THE ENTER IN CASE THAT HELPS, BUT IT WON'T BE A REACTIONARY DEAL.
TH THIS WORK IS NOT GOOD WORK.
THIS WORK IS NOT DESIRED WORK.
THIS WORK WOULD BE MORE PROFIT MOVING THREE LITTLE HOUSES THAT CAN LOAD BY LUNCH, LIKE THAT LITTLE COTTAGE LOAD BY LUNCH AND MOVE THEM AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND THE NEXT ONE.
AND THIS IS A MIRACLE HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER.
AND NO, IT'S NOT A RESPONSE AND NOBODY NEEDS IT.
AND I'VE GOT IT DONE AND I GOT IT DONE BECAUSE HALF OF IT CAN BE DONE MAYBE IN THE RAIN, 'CAUSE IT'S INDOOR WORK, BUT HALF OF IT HAS TO BE SEQUENTIAL DAYS BECAUSE IT'S JUST AS EXPOSED AT HER VASE.
SO IT'S GOT TO BE PUT OUT, CARRIED OUT THERE, PUT BACK TOGETHER, AND NAILED BACK FROM BOTTOM TO TOP.
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SIDE IT WOULD BE IMMEDIATE, BUT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF STEPS AFTER THAT TO EXECUTE.COMMISSIONERS, I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORD ABOUT THIS ONE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ON OUR AGENDA.
WE HAVE HAD AN OWNER THAT HAS ENGAGED WITH STAFF WITH THIS COMMISSION.
WE HAVE HAD OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO GET INVOLVED.
I, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TO THE MAT SEVERAL TIMES.
I THINK WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE DONE RIGHT BY THESE PROPERTIES.
I THINK WERE WE TO HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT THE POWERS THAT BE WANTED THIS TO BE IN THEIR LOCAL, TO STAY THERE AS MUCH AS YOUR, OUR, THE NEIGHBOR WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE THE CASE.
THEY HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO HELP US.
AND FRANKLY, WE CAME UP EMPTY HANDED, AND FINALLY THE OWNER STOPPED PLAYING WITH US, AND THE OWNER SAID, I TRIED ALL THE THINGS YOU RECOMMENDED, AND IT HASN'T WORKED.
SO HE'S COME TO US ONE LAST TIME WITH A MOVE OFF.
AND I GUESS I, MY QUESTION TO COMMISSIONERS IS WHAT'S THE END GAME HERE? AND I THINK THE END GAME FOR ME SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR.
WE HAVE ONE LAST CHANCE WITH SOME VERY EAGER AND VERY CAPABLE NEW OWNERS OF THESE HOUSES.
AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COOK, IT WILL BE LOST TO THE CITY, BUT THESE HOUSES WILL STILL HAVE A LIFE AND THEY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO BE ENJOYED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
AND WE AS STEWARDS WILL, I THINK, HAVE DONE OUR JOB.
I THINK THE ALTERNATE THAT WE MAY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, AND I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY STAND ON PRINCIPLE.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE FLYING IN THE FACE OF A MESSAGE THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO US LOUD AND CLEAR.
THE POWERS THAT BE ABOVE AT VARIOUS CIVIL LEVELS DON'T VALUE THESE HOUSES TO THAT EXTENT THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO OVERRIDE AN OWNER'S OBJECTION.
AND SO I DON'T THINK TESTING FATE ONE MORE TIME, PERHAPS WE CAN HOPE THAT MR. WELLBORN SOME SIX MONTHS FROM NOW WOULD COME BACK AFTER ALL THE, ALL THE, THE PROCESS IS OVER AND STILL BE JUST AS EAGER.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HOPE, UH, AS WELL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MS. FRANKS WHO'S WAITING ON HER HOUSE, BUT SHE MAY HAVE FOUND SOMETHING ELSE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
UH, I, I, I THINK THE CLOUDS ARE, YOU KNOW, ALIGNED.
THE, THE THINGS ARE STARTING TO MOVE IN ONE DIRECTION.
AND I GUESS I, I MYSELF FEEL LIKE THE BETTER, THE BETTER SOLUTION IS TO LET THEM MOVE AND SAY, WE DID OUR JOB.
UH, AGAIN, I I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT I'VE HAD, UH, ON THIS COMMISSION THAT I CAN SPEAK PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT IT, BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT SENDING ANOTHER PACKAGE WITH OWNER'S OBJECTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AND HAVE THEM ONCE MORE JUST SHUT THE DOOR ON OUR FACE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SERVES THE COMMISSION'S INTEREST IN THE LONG RUN EITHER.
SO, I, I, AS MUCH AS MY HEART WOULD LOVE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION I'M GONNA VOTE AGAINST.
SO COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, I, I AGREE THAT MY HEART AND MY SENTIMENT IS WITH THE MOTION, MY HEAD TELLS ME THAT WE WILL BE CONDEMNING THOSE HOMES.
AND YOU, YOU SAID A LOT BETTER THAN I DID.
WELL, I
IT, IT CERTAINLY PAINS ME, BUT I'D RATHER HAVE THE HOME THAN NOT.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE BIT OF A GAMBLE THAT COMMISSIONER COOK IS WILLING TO TAKE.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT THE OWNER IS GOING TO GIVE US THAT LATITUDE.
WELL, COMMISSIONER, I HEARD WHAT'S OUR END GAME? AND IF OUR GOAL IS TO PROTECT AUSTIN'S HISTORIC RESOURCES, MOST OF US KNOW ON THIS DAIS THAT ANY HISTORIC LANDMARK THAT'S BEEN RELOCATED HAS PRETTY MUCH LOST ITS SIGNIFICANCE ACCORDING TO NATIONAL REGISTER STANDARDS TYPICALLY.
UM, AND SO YES, YOU'D BE SAVING SOMETHING THAT HAS LOST ITS COMMUNITY VALUE, THAT'S LOST ITS CONNECTION TO THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THIS CITY.
UH, AND, AND THEREFORE, IT IS NOT WORTHY OF A DESIGNATION ANYMORE.
AND SO IF OUR GOAL IS TO PROTECT OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THIS CITY, WE CANNOT THINK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE OUTSIDE THE CITY.
WE CANNOT THINK ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE WHAT IFS BEYOND THAT.
AND I HOPE THAT THE OWNER HAS, HAS THAT, YOU KNOW, OPTION AND INTEGRITY TO SAY, HEY, THIS DIDN'T PASS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE STILL GONNA HELP YOU RELOCATE THE BUILDING.
RIGHT? I HOPE THAT THEY REALLY WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT IF THIS DOES NOT GO THROUGH.
BUT TO, TO NOT DO THAT AS, AS OUR TASK, UH, TO PROTECT THESE HISTORIC RESOURCES, THAT'S, UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, AND ACCOMPLISHING THOSE THINGS, AT LEAST LETTING THE CITY COUNCIL AND EVERYONE ELSE KNOW THAT
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THESE ARE HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT NEED TO BE SAVED.I, I WANNA SAY, I THINK THAT'S A VERY VALID ARGUMENT, AND I'M, I AM HEARING BOTH SIDES, BUT I'M EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT KIND OF ROLLING OVER IN FEAR AND, AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR, FOR FUTURE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE US THAT, UM, I, I, I JUST, I GUESS I DON'T WANNA SET THAT PRECEDENT.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD BEFORE WE VOTE? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER EVANS? YES.
I, I WANNA GO ON THE RECORD IN SUPPORT OF PRESERVATION.
UH, I KNOW NEITHER OPTION IS IDEAL, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE REASON I WANTED TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMISSION, IT WASN'T WITH AN EYE TOWARD WHAT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL MIGHT DO WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I WANNA BE TRUE TO PRESERVATION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
ANY, ANYBODY? UH, COMMISSIONER PATERSON? YEAH.
SINCE I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THIS VOTE'S GONNA GO, THIS MIGHT BE MY LAST CHANCE TO GO ON THE RECORD WITH SOME OTHER THOUGHTS.
UM, I, THE ONE SMALL THING STRUCK ME THAT MRS. FRANK SAID THAT SHE, SHE PLANNED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, NAME THE HOUSE WHEN, WHEN SHE MOVED IT, I THINK IT WAS CHATEAU ROUGE.
UM, AND IT JUST, AGAIN, IT, IT MADE SOMETHING CLICK IN MY BRAIN ABOUT ALL THIS HISTORY AND BACKGROUND THAT IS CURRENTLY WITH THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, IF IT WAS TO RELOCATE, I HOPE THAT ITS STORY COULD GO WITH IT.
AND, AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S PERSONALLY, MY, MY FEELINGS, MY HEART SAYS THAT IF YOU NAME IT CHATEAU ROUGE, IT SOMEHOW LOSES PART OF ITS GREATER HISTORY.
AND IF, IF THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RELOCATION PERMIT, I WOULD'VE ADDED TO THAT, THAT WE'D REQUEST THAT YOU, UM, DO SOMETHING TO PHYSICALLY CONTAIN THIS, THE, THE, THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE STRUCTURE, AND KEEP THAT WITH THE STRUCTURE IN ITS NEW LOCATION.
UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS MOTION YET, BUT
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN AT THIS POINT? JUST A QUICK OBSERVATION.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY OF, UH, THE TWO HOMES AND AS HIGHLY, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, UH, WHAT WE WERE, WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE, UH, THE NARRATIVE ABOUT, UH, HOW IT REFLECTS BASICALLY THE EVOLVING HISTORY, UH, OR PAST HISTORY OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMES HERE IN AUSTIN? UH, I, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN SINCE LONG-TERM.
UM, WE NEED BUY-IN FROM ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONS, CITY COUNCIL.
I, I GUESS I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, SAY IF, IF IT HAD BEEN ATTACHED TO A MAYBE SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC FIGURE, SO THEN I, I COULD SEE POTENTIALLY MORE BUY-IN FROM OTHER BODIES.
UH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE AS TO WHICH WAY, WHICH WAY TO VOTE.
UH, LOOK AT THE HISTORIC PATTERN AS, UH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER HEEFNER HAS A MENTIONED AS TO HOW IT MIGHT PLAY OUT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAVE LIKE TO COMMENT? OKAY.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE VOTE.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF HISTORIC ZONING.
INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND, PLEASE.
AND, AND, UH, MS. ALLEN, YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE THE FOUR? OKAY.
AND THEN THOSE OPPOSED? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND IF ANYBODY'S ABSTAINING, I'M ABSTAINING.
I THINK IT, IT IS A LACK OF A VOTE IN FAVOR, BUT I, I JUST, I HAVE TOO MANY MIXED FEELINGS TO VOTE, ACTUALLY OPPOSED TO THIS.
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SO, OH, BUT, SO THAT'S RIGHT.WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A, UH, A SUPER MAJORITY, YOU NEED A SIMPLE MAJORITY, WHICH IS SIX, UH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S 4, 4, 1 ABSTAIN, AND FOUR AGAINST.
UM, I'VE NOT HAD THIS HAPPEN BEFORE, SO.
WELL, THE MOTION SIMPLY DOES NOT PASS.
BECAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
OH, WAIT, WHO? NO, THERE'S 10 OF Y'ALL.
SO WHO, CAN EVERYBODY RAISE THEIR HAND? WHO RAISE YOUR HAND? WHO IS IN FAVOR, PLEASE? IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
AND THEN ONE OPPOSED? OPPOSED.
SO THE MOTION DID FAIL, SO YOU CAN STILL ABSTAIN.
BUT REGARDLESS, THE MOTION DID, IS IT, WE NEEDED FIVE OR SIX FOR IT TO PASS YOU SIX TO PASS.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR RELOCATION THAT WAS POSTED IN OUR PRIOR YEAH.
SO YOUR OPTIONS ARE EITHER TO RECOMMEND A STORE ZONING, POSTPONE TO THE NEXT MEETING, OR TO RELEASE THE RELOCATION PERMITS.
SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A FOLLOW UP MOTION, UH, FROM COMMISSIONERS, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RELOCATION PACKAGE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I WILL PROVIDE THE SECOND IF NO ONE ELSE WILL.
SO WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE THAT AS A MOTION.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS YOUR MOTION? WELL, I DON'T, I, I, I SEE HISTORIC VALUE IN PRESERVING THE HOMES.
SO THE MOTION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE RELOCATION OF THAT PROCESS.
I, AS I SAID EARLIER, I, I RESPECT THE PREVIOUS MOTION.
I THINK IT'S ULTIMATELY THE, THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD END SUCCESSFULLY, AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE HOME THAN NOT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S IN THE CITY PROPER.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR MOTION, IF WE WEREN'T TO APPROVE THIS, BUT STRICTLY JUST STAYED WITH THE LAST MOTION, THEN THEY WOULD BE, WE WOULD'VE MADE, MADE AN ACTION AND THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO DEMOLISH.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.
INACTION WOULD BE APPROVAL OF, WELL, WE TOOK AN ACTION, WE ASKED THAT IT BE CONSIDERED FOR, FOR HISTORIC ZONING.
AND SO THEREFORE THERE'D BE NO MORE ACTION REQUIRED.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I MEAN, THE RELOCATION PERMITS, APPLICATIONS STILL NEED TO BE CLOSED OUT.
OH, IT, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOW PENDING AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TAKE AN ACTION ON IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT, OR YOU CAN POSTPONE, YOU HAVE ONE MORE MEETING AND THEN THE CLOCK WOULD TIME OUT AND IT'D BE ADMINISTRATIVE.
THE CLOCK WOULD TIME OUT SEPTEMBER 18TH, AND THE NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 6TH.
AND THEN IT COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY RELEASED FOR DEMOLITION.
STOCKWOOD RELEASE ON THE 18TH.
SO THERE IS STILL THE CLOCK CONSIDERATION.
SO I, I, I DEFINITELY, UH, THINK THAT THE BEST WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE BEST ALTERNATIVE AND TO ALLOW THAT TO BE EXPEDITED.
UH, THAT'S WHY I SECONDED THE MOTION.
ONE MORE NOTE FROM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION, AMBER? YEAH.
YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT RELOCATION AND DEMO PERMIT WERE CONSIDERED THE SAME THING.
SO DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE ALSO GIVING PERMISSION TO DEMO? SO YOU WOULD BE RELEASING THE RELOCATION PERMIT IF THEY WERE TO OH, CALLAN CAN GO.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO, UM, BEFORE THAT QUESTION, I WANNA SAY, IF YOU ALL TAKE ACTION ON IT, WE WILL RECEIVE A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
IF YOU LET IT TIME OUT, WE WILL NOT.
SO IF AN UP DOWN VOTE IS ON THE RECORD, UM, SO SAY CITY COUNCIL DEEMS THE BUILDINGS NON HISTORIC, UH, THEY WILL NOT COME BACK TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT PERMITS FILED, REGARDLESS OF RELOCATION OR DEMOLITION, BECAUSE THAT DETERMINATION IS ON THE RECORD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BY US VOTING FOR A RELOCATION PERMIT WITH THIS MOTION, WE'RE NOT ALSO OPENING UP TO SLASH DEMO? NO, NO, BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE AN UP DOWN VOTE ON THE ZONING.
IT, THE, THE RELOCATION PERMIT THAT'S PENDING IS WHAT WILL BE IN PLAY, I GUESS IS, IF THAT'S MAKES SENSE.
I WISH WE HAD IT'S INTENDED TO ADDRESS RIGHT NOW.
I GUESS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THE RELOCATION PERMIT THAT THEY APPLIED FOR.
THEY COULDN'T COME IN TOMORROW AND SAY, WELL, RELOCATION WAS APPROVED, THEREFORE WE'RE, THAT'S SCRAPING THIS AND
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PUTTING IT IN A DITCH.A PERMIT THAT HAS BEEN FILED IS FOR RELOCATION.
AND THAT IS, UM, WHAT IS ON THE TABLE BEFORE Y'ALL? AND SO WE'RE THAT TO, WE'RE THE OWNER TO COME BACK AND TWO OR THREE WEEKS FROM NOW AND SAY, NO, NO, WE ACTUALLY DO WANT TO DEMOLISH THIS.
THEY'D START ALL OVER AGAIN WITH A BRAND NEW PERMIT.
I THINK THAT THAT ANSWERS YOUR COMMISSIONER BUR OKAY.
EARLIER I WAS SPEAKING ON IF IT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, THEN THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED, WHICH UNDERSTOOD.
NOW I JUST WANTED, SORRY TO REALLY CLARIFY WHAT WE WERE FINDING.
YEAH, NO, YOU GUYS ARE ACTING ON THE RELOCATION PERMIT ONLY.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF YOU ACT ON IT, WE GET A, WE GET A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
AND FOR THE AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER, IF YOU DON'T LET IT TIME OUT, THEN WE DON'T.
SO ALSO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I'LL JUST REMIND COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BOTH CASES FIVE AND SIX, THE 6 0 6 EAST THIRD STREET, AND THE 6 0 8 EAST THIRD STREET.
THE CURRENT MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE, UH, RELOCATION FOR BOTH PROPERTIES.
UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS PUBLIC.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE NO, NO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE IS CLOSED.
AND WE HAD, WE HAD HAD THAT PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT CAME IN FRONT OF US.
NO, THE DISCUSS
WE CERTAINLY CAN ASK AN ASK ANYBODY A QUESTION, BUT OTHERWISE THERE, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS PREVIOUS.
YOU COULD REOPEN PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR MORE DISCUSSION FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO WITHDRAW THE CURRENT MOTION AND THEN REOPEN PUBLIC HEARING, CLOSE IT AGAIN, AND THEN REMAKE THE MOTION.
I WAS JUST GONNA REITERATE WHAT I'VE ALREADY SAID BEFORE.
IF THIS MOTION PASSES, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE, UH, THE NEW OWNER OCCUPIER OF THE BUILDING TO MAINTAIN THE STORY OF THIS, OF THIS STRUCTURE INSIDE THE STRUCTURE IN ITS NEW LOCATION.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY MORE CONVERSATION? ANY DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS OF ANYONE HERE IN THE, IN THE ROOM? OKAY.
UH, OUT OF, TO BE FAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU IF YOU HAD ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR TO SAY TO THE MOTION SINCE I ASKED SOMEONE FROM THE OTHER SIDE? YES, PLEASE.
BUT SIMPLY TO, TO, UM, ANSWER THE QUESTION OF A COMMISSIONER TO ASK, TO ASK, WHICH, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO, I'M SORRY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, WHAT YOU HAVE IN PARTICULAR TO SPEAK TO ON THIS CASE? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO SPEAK TO, BUT THERE IS A POINT OF ORDER, I GUESS WITH THE, UM, SO DO YOU HAVE A POINT OF ORDER WITH, WITH THE, THE REVIEW SHEET FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP? OKAY.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE POINT OF ORDER IS WITH THE YES, IT'S, UH, UH, IN THE COMMISSION ACTION FROM 2016, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MOVE OF THESE TWO HOUSES ONLY IF YOU HAD APPROVAL OF CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR 6 0 4 EAST THIRD STREET.
SO THAT WAS A CONDITION THAT IN 2016, THAT WAS, YOU WOULD ONLY ALLOW THEM TO MOVE THESE TWO HOUSES IF THEY MOVED THE HOU TWO HOUSES ON 20 ON, ON ON 6 0 4 EAST THIRD.
DOES THAT STILL APPLY? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
AND, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I BELIEVE STAFF CAN ADDRESS FOR US.
SO WE, WE WILL ASK STAFF TO ADDRESS THAT FOR US.
SO THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT QUESTION.
UM, MS. CONTRERAS, YOUR HONOR, IT'S A BRAND NEW APPLICATION, SO IT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, THIS IS A NEW APPLICATION, SO IF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO APPLY THAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO FOLD THAT INTO THE MOTION AS WELL AS, UM, THE REST OF THE CONTENTS OF THE MOTION.
ALL THE, ALL THE PREVIOUS WORK THAT WAS DONE TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE SOME ARRANGEMENTS HAVE ALL GONE AWAY.
THIS IS A NEW MOTION, NEW APPLICATION, NEW REQUEST.
IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO FOLD IN, UH, THOSE PREVIOUS REQUIREMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY.
UM, WOULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY, UH, IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? UM, WE, UH, CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD THE NUMBER ONE, UM, 2016, UH, CONDITION IN THE MOTION THAT THE APPLICANT AND OWNER COMPLETE AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION THAT MADE STATE THAT MET STATE STANDARDS.
UM, SO THAT'S PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, ALONG WITH THE DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
UM, I BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT
I, I'M CON BECAUSE WHEN I MOVED TO, UH, MOVE THE STAFF RELOCATION PLAN, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ANYWAY.
SO I I THAT'S A CLARIFICATION THEN.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION
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IS TO, UH, RELEASE THE RELOCATION PERMITS, UH, PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE ARCHITECT ARCHEA ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AND THE CITY OF OXTON DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.AND, AND WHAT I THINK YOU OKAY, YOU COULD ASK THE RECIPIENT IF SHE WOULD CONSIDER THE NAME.
I, I THINK I'M JUST GOING ON THE RECORD 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO, YOU KNOW, UH, WITHIN A STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY OF AUSTIN ANY LONGER.
I, I JUST HOPE THAT THEY MAINTAIN THE STORY.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I SAID, AND, AND YES, YOU HAVE TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS ANY TEETH.
UH, I THINK AFTER ALL THE WORK IT'S GOING TO, IF IT, IF IT PASSES, IT'S GONNA BE CALLED A MIRACLE HOUSE
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.
IS EVERYBODY AWARE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AS WE'VE SAID, APPROVAL OF THE RELOCATION PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THAT'S COMMISSIONER GROGAN AND, UM, COMMISSIONER RUBIO.
SO THE MOTION PASSES AND WE THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PATIENCE AND THANK, UM, THANK YOU ALL.
WE WISH YOU A VERY SUCCESSFUL MOVE.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE MADE IT TO ITEM THE NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, AND THAT
[12. HR-2023-085124 – 801 Oakland Ave. – Discussion]
IS ITEM NUMBER 12.THAT IS 8 0 1 OAKLAND AVENUE, ITEM NUMBER 12, HR 2 23 0 8 5 1 2 4.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO REHABILITATE AND REMODEL THE PORSCHE OF A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE IN, UH, THE SMOOT TERRACE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
UM, THE SMOOT TERRACE PARK DESIGN STANDARDS ARE USED TO EVALUATE PROJECTS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION, UH, MEETS SOME OF THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS.
UM, HOWEVER, SINCE THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN, UH, WE HAVE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO, UM, OMIT THE GABLE END WINDOW THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS, UH, OUTLINED IN YOUR BACKUP.
UM, SO THIS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION ORIGINALLY WAS TO EITHER INVITE THE APPLICANT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OR APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE OMISSION OF THE GABLE END WINDOW, UH, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? YEP.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE SCOTT MITCHELL.
WOULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? HELLO COMMISSIONERS.
MY WIFE JUST REALLY LOVED THIS HOUSE.
WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, RESTORE IT AND, UH, MAKE A, AN ADDITIONAL ROOM TO, UH, UM, MORE ACCOMMODATE A, A FAMILY.
UH, IT'S, IT'S GOT REALLY TIGHT LITTLE SPACES, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY NICE.
THE, UH, THE WINDOWS ARE DIVIDED, UH, DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REAL, THEY'RE NOT FAKE.
THEY'RE REALLY, UH, PRETTY DELICATE.
IT'S, UM, WE, UM, IN, IN STUDYING, UH, AN ADDITION, IT REALLY, THE THOUGHT BE BEGAN WITH CREATING A, A SINGLE CAR GARAGE, BUT WE SET THE, THE FACE OF THE GARAGE BACK IN THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN AND ABOVE IT IS, UH, MATERIALS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THE OLD HOUSE.
SO WE ARE PRESERVING THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK OF THE FRONT GABLE.
YEAH, WE HAD ASKED FOR A, UH, ACTUALLY A WINDOW OF WHERE THE VENT WAS AS KIND OF A, KIND OF A MINOR DETAIL.
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING GLASS THERE IN THE SAME SHAPE, BUT, UH, MAN, THAT'S OKAY.
BUT, UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? UH, THIS IS IN THE, UH, SMOOT TERRACE PARK, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I THINK, AND NOW, ARE YOU A NEW OWNER? IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
UH, MY WIFE AND I OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
BUT, BUT YOU, YOU'VE JUST PURCHASED IT, UH, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU, YOU MUST HAVE
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HAD, YOU'VE HAD SOME GOOD EYES TO SEE THE VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY.YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S GOT A, IT IS GOT A CERTAIN CHARACTER EVEN, UM, INSIDE, I MEAN, IT'S SURPRISING THAT THE, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THE SIDING WAS GOING BAD, BUT I, I'VE DECIDED IT'S GOTTA BE OLD CYPRUS SIGHTING BECAUSE IT'S, IT NEEDS SOME PAINT, UH, BUT IT'S NOT ROTTEN.
UM, THE INTERIOR HAS, UM, A LITTLE ARCH ARCHWAY LEADING TO THE DINING, WHICH LEADS TO THE KITCHEN.
IT'S GOT ONLY A FEW, UM, ENDEARING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, BUT I THINK THEY'RE WORTH SAVING.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I'M LOOKING AT IT ON STREET VIEW FROM JANUARY, 2023, AND I DON'T SEE A VENT IN THE GABLE END, BUT THAT'S MORE OF A, A COMMENT, I GUESS.
BUT, UM, OH, THE, THE VENT, THE ATTIC VENT? MM-HMM.
IT'S JUST UNDER THE, UH, COVER COVERED BY A TREE.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A COMMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE DO, YEAH, WE DO HAVE CATHERINE BAYER, UM, ON THE LINE.
UM, SO CATHERINE BYER ON THE LINE, GO AHEAD AND, UH, OKAY.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CATHERINE BAYER.
UM, AND I'M THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE AS WELL OF THE APPLICANT ON THIS.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THE CITY'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND I DO NOTICE THAT
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, UM, THE GOAL ON THE TABLE.
SO I WAS REVIEWING, YOU KNOW, MY, UM, ASBUILT TEAM MAY HAVE ACTUALLY PUT A VENT IN THE DRAWING, AND THERE IS NOT ONE, MY PICTURES THAT I HAVE OF IT ARE ALL OBFUSCATED.
YOU KNOW, I, I SHOULD HAVE GONE TO GOOGLE AND WALKED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE INTENT IS TO PRESERVE IT AS IS ATTIC VENT OR NOT.
UM, IF THAT'S THE REQUEST, WE SEND A BACKUP FILE.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO CONFIRM
BUT, UM, AND ANY, AND ANYWAYS, THE INTENT IS TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING ELEVATION AS IS.
USE THE WOOD WINDOWS, RESTORE THE WOOD WINDOWS, RESTORE ALL THE WOOD STRUCTURE THAT IS EXISTING, REMOVE THE, UH, LOWER SHED, AND THEN DO A SMALL PRIMARY ADDITION WITH A GARAGE BELOW.
TRYING TO KEEP THE SCALE OF THE ADDITION WITHIN THE REALM OF THE EXISTING BUILDING BY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENTIATING THE MATERIALITY AND ALSO, UM, SETTING IT BACK.
UM, AND REALLY THE OWNERS ARE VERY WELL VERSED IN RESTORING HYSTER HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
UM, SCOTT IS AN ARCHITECT AND HAS PRACTICED HISTORIC RESERVATION HIS WHOLE LIFE, AND SO IT'S IN GOOD HANDS.
AND WE HAVE RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM ANA, THE OLD WEST AUSTIN, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, Y'ALL MAY HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM SHEILA LYONS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, SHE'S THE ZONING COMMITTEE CHAIR.
UM, AND SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE.
I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF 8 0 1 OAKLAND.
UM, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF, UH, MS. MEYER? NO, WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR YOUR WORK.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST CHAIR HY SMITH? I'LL MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COOK.
UH, THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, ON THIS ITEM CHAIR.
HIGHSMITH, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVED STATUS RECOMMENDATION CONTINGENT ON THE OMISSION OF THE GABLE END WINDOW.
UH, THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
UH, THOSE IN ANY, ANY DISCUSSION OF YOUR MOTION? UH, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S
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AN EX EXAMPLE AND I, UH, SUPPORT WHAT THE OWNER'S DOING.COMMISSIONER COOK, I'D SAY THANK YOU TO THE OWNER FOR DOING A SENSITIVE JOB AND, AND GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS PUTTING HISTORIC HOMES TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THEM.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF HAND WRINGING OVER PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW, BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF REVIEW THAT WE JUST NEED TO PAT THESE PEOPLE ON THE BACK.
UH, YES, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKS, THAT'S OUR JOB TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THE ADDITION AND THE RESTORATION OF THIS HOUSE IS GOING TO BE A BIG CONTRIBUTION, AND I REALLY HAVE TO APPLAUD THE OWNERS AND THE, UH, THE PROFESSIONAL TEAM INVOLVED.
UH, NEEDLESS TO SAY, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I JUST WANNA ADD A COMMENT, UM, THAT I DO WISH THAT THE ROOF, UH, THE ROOF HEIGHT WAS MINIMIZED, BUT, UM, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A R C.
JUST A GENERAL COMMENT IN THE FUTURE, THAT A LOT OF THESE ADDITIONS, UM, THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ANY HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THEY'RE ATTACHED TO.
SO, UH, WE, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T ACCEPT THAT ON A HISTORIC MANSION DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR OUR DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE FUTURE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS REALLY MENTIONED IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST THAT THE EXISTING ROOF WAS MAINTAINED, BUT, UH, THE, THE NEW ROOF IS HIGHER THAN THAT.
BUT FORTUNATELY PUSHED VERY SENSITIVELY FAR BACK, BUT EXCELLENT OBSERVATION.
UM, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, UH, INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
COMMISSIONER RUBIO IS OPPOSED.
OTHERWISE, UH, IT PASSES, UH, THAT WOULD BE NINE TO ONE.
LET US GO TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM,
[18. PR-2023-076607 – 96 Rainey St. – Discussion]
AND THAT WILL BE ITEM NUMBER 1896 RAINY STREET.NOW THESE ARE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT APPLICATIONS.
SO THIS IS NOT A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, REVIEW IN THIS CASE A DEMOLITION REQUEST.
ITEM NUMBER 18, UH, IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A CIRCA 1887 HOUSE AT 96 RAINY STREET.
UM, THIS BUILDING IS IN THE RAINY STREET NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, IN 1985, WHEN THE RAINY STREET NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT WAS LISTED, THIS BUILDING WAS LISTED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
HOWEVER, IT HAS GAINED POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THE LAST 38 YEARS, UM, AS SOME OF THE, UH, REPLACEMENTS OR AS SOME OF THE, UH, NON HISTORIC INCOMPATIBLE ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN REPLACED, UH, WITH MORE APPROPRIATE ELEMENTS SINCE 1985.
UM, THIS IS A ONE-STORY FOLK VICTORIAN L PLAN HOUSE WITH HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING.
TRADITIONAL CORNICE RETURNS AT THE GABLE END, A PARTIAL WIDTH FRONT PORCH WITH A SHED ROOF, AND, UH, WOOD TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS A WOOD DECK.
A LEAN TWO AND A COVERED PATIO HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED TO SHELTER BAR PATIENTS, PATRONS, UM, UH, THIS RAINY STREET ESTABLISHMENT.
THIS HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY ADDRESSED AS 6 0 3 DRISCOLL STREET, AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE LATE 1880S.
ITS FIRST RESIDENCE WERE VICTOR AND ELLA KLEB.
VICTOR KLEB WAS A BARBER FROM SAN ANTONIO, WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY LIVED WITH HIS GERMAN SPEAKING MOTHER MARY AT HER HOME ON RED RIVER, WHERE SHE WORKED AS A MIDWIFE.
WHEN KLEB MARRIED AND OPENED HIS OWN SHOP, HE SOON PURCHASED THIS RAINY STREET HOUSE.
VICTOR KLEB WAS THE SECRETARY OF THE FIRST STATE BARBERS BOARD OF TEXAS, AND A BARBERS UNION LEADER WHO LED THE STATE BARBERS AND HAIRDRESSERS IN PASSING HYGIENE LAWS AND ESTABLISHING WORKER PROTECTIONS FOR BARBERSHOP EMPLOYEES.
HE WAS ONE OF THE CITY'S EARLIEST PROPONENTS OF SANITARY STANDARDS, FAIR LABOR, AND MODERN SAFETY PROVISIONS FOR SKILLED BARBERS.
KLEB WAS TASKED WITH VETTING APPLICATIONS TO OPERATE BARBERSHOPS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, NOTABLY APPROVING BLACK AND WOMEN BARBERS DURING AN ERA WHEN MANY PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS EXCLUDED EVERYONE BUT WHITE MEN.
AFTER VICTOR KLEB DIED, DIED AT HOME IN 1916, HIS WIFE ELLA KLEB, CONTINUED TO LIVE IN WORK AS A HAIRDRESSER THERE UNTIL HER OWN DEATH.
IN 1922, A NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTERS OCCUPIED 96 RAINY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS UNTIL THE MCGILL FAMILY PURCHASED IT.
AROUND 1932, AFTER WORKING AS A CITY SANITATION WORKER, JOHN MCGILL OPENED AND OPERATED A GROCERY STORE, FIRST NAME MCGILL AND SON GROCERY.
AND AFTER HIS SON LEFT TO SERVE IN THE ARMY DURING WORLD WAR II, JUST JOHN MCGILL GROCERY.
SHORTLY BEFORE HIS DEATH IN THE MID FIFTIES, HE SOLD THE SHOP AND WENT TO WORK FOR WALKER'S AZTEC, CHILE.
JOHN AND BETTY MCGILL DIED IN 1954 AND 1955, AND AFTER A SERIES OF RENTAL RENTALS AND VACANCIES, THE HOUSE WAS PURCHASED BY MRS. ROMERO GURA, WHOSE FAMILY LIVED THERE UNTIL AT LEAST 1982.
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PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IT MAY MEET TWO CRITERIA.UM, FOR DESIGNATION, THE BUILDING APPEARS TO RETAIN MODERATE INTEGRITY.
UH, WHILE IT HAS ACCUMULATED NON HISTORIC CONDITIONS DURING ITS TIME AS A BAR, THE UNDERLYING FORM OF THE HOUSE REMAINS THE INCOMPATIBLE CONCRETE PORCH.
PIERS HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH MORE APPROPRIATE BOX COLUMNS AND INCOMPATIBLE ASBESTOS SIDING HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH OR REMOVED TO REVEAL APPROPRIATE HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING.
UH, MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL ALTERATIONS OCCUR AT THE SIDES AND REAR OF THE BUILDING, AND MANY APPEAR TEMPORARY.
THE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED WITH NATIONAL FOLK AND VERNACULAR, FOLK VICTORIAN INFLUENCES, AND IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TEXAS STATE.
BARBARA'S WARD SECRETARY AND UNION ACTIVIST VICTOR CLEVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE BUILDING SUFFICIENTLY MEETS THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA, AND IF SO, INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING.
SHOULD THE COMMISSION FEEL THAT THE BUILDING DOES NOT ADEQUATELY MEET THE CRITERIA, UH, STAFF STRONGLY RECOMMENDS ADAPTIVE REUSE AND REHABILITATION, THEN RELOCATION OVER DEMOLITION, BUT RELEASE OF THE PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
UM, AND AS A NOTE, NEW CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS IN THESE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS MUST BE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION PRIOR TO RELEASE OF THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
SO YOU, YOU SAID THAT, OR I BELIEVE I SAW IN THE NOTES THAT WHEN THIS WAS EVALUATED WITHIN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT AT THE TIME, IT HAD A NUMBER OF NON HISTORIC ELEMENTS, SO IT WAS NOT GIVEN A HIGH PRIORITY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THESE PHOTOS, THERE IS A, I BELIEVE 1984 PHOTOGRAPH OF THIS BUILDING, UM, THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES TODAY.
SO WHEN IT, WHEN IT, UM, ESSENTIALLY WENT THROUGH, UH, TURNING INTO A BAR, THEY ACTUALLY CLEANED IT UP AND MADE IT ACTUALLY DID SOME PARTIAL RESTORATION.
THEY DID ACTUALLY MADE IT, MADE IT MORE HISTORIC CERTAINLY.
SO IT'S AN INTER INTERESTING TWIST.
WE DON'T NORMALLY THINK THAT THAT TRANSFORMATION IS ALWAYS GONNA BE POSITIVE, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT REALLY DID ADD TO THE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND SHERIFF, I MAY ASK A QUESTION.
STAFF, UM, UM, IT IS TECHNICALLY NON-CONTRIBUTING AND WE CANNOT RENDER IT CONTRIBUTING.
SO THE SIX MONTH DEMOLITION DELAY IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND THERE WOULD BE NO MOTION OF ACTION WE COULD TAKE TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO US? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
UH, WE CAN CONFER, CONFIRM WITH LAW, BUT, UH, ON THE BOOKS, THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING.
IF YOU COULD CONFIRM THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, UH, SAY THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS WILL MOST LIKELY BE ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH SINCE IT IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT OF RECORD, JEFF ICKY.
HE'S JOINING US BY PHONE, SORRY.
ALRIGHT, MR. ICKY, IS HE AVAILABLE? YES.
SORRY, THERE, I I, UH, TROUBLE GETTING UNMUTED FROM THE CALL.
UM, I, I MEAN, I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT OR SAY AT THIS TIME.
SO MR. LICKE, YOU ARE THE OWNER OR REPRESENTING THE OWNER, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M, I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER.
I'M, I'M AN ARCHITECT, UH, WITH MAKER ARCHITECTS AND, UH, UH, ACTUALLY WORKED ON BAR 96, UH, IN THAT BUR RESTORATION AS A BAR.
UM, AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, YES, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A BUNGALOW.
I, I I WOULD HARDLY SAY THAT THE DETAILS ARE, UH, HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
THOUGH, UM, YOU, SO THE APPLICATION IS FOR TOTAL DEMOLITION? CORRECT.
AND THEN, UH, YOU ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE IT IS A NATIONAL DISTRICT TO PROVIDE PLANS.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING THOSE.
AND WOULD IT HAVE THOSE AT OUR NEXT MEETING? IS, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THAT, YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, THIS, UM, OUR APPLICATION GOT KIND OF SPLIT WITH A PERMIT EXPEDITER.
UM, SO I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT YEAH.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TO THE COMMISSION? UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS FLAGGED BY THE STAFF.
UH, WELL, WE, WE'D NEED TO REVIEW IT REGARDLESS, BUT ONE OF THE ACTIONS THE COMMISSION HAS THAT THEY COULD TAKE IS TO INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, OTHERWISE WE COULD GET INVOLVED WITH
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REVIEW OR COMMENT, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, YOUR DEMOLITION PERMIT WOULD EITHER TIME OUT OR WE COULD RELEASE IT.SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANY ONE OF THOSE ACTIONS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO.
UH, NO, I MEAN, IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE OWNER HAS NO INTENT OF, OF PURSUING HISTORIC ZONING ON THE PROJECT AND CERTAINLY WE COULD PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION OF, OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT, UM, AT THIS TIME, YEAH, THERE'S NO INTEREST IN PURSUING ZONING.
UM, THE CURRENT BUSINESS THAT OPERATES THERE, UH, IS REQUIRED TO MOVE THEIR OPERATIONS INSIDE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE SORT OF NOISE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE CHANGED IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
SO AS, AS A BAR, UM, WITH AN OUTDOOR PATIO, IT'S UNSUSTAINABLE FOR THEM TO SORT OF STAY IN BUSINESS.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION OF THIS APPLICANT? OKAY.
CAN YOU COOK, EXPAND ON THAT LAST COMMENT PLEASE? ABOUT THE SOUND ORDINANCES AND HOW IT'S MAKING THE BUSINESS UNTENABLE IN THIS DISTRICT? UH, UH, YEAH, BRIEFLY.
UM, YEAH, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, AUSTIN USED TO BE A LIVE MUSIC CAPITAL, UH, AND, UH, SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PRESSURE WITH THAT KIND OF RESIDENCE IS, UM, WITH A COMBO THAT HAVE GONE IN.
UM, AND I, AND I REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, RAIN STREET IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT, UM, IT'S LOST ITS CHARACTER A LONG TIME AGO, IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND IF WE, UM, THEY ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE, UM, IT CAN INCREASINGLY, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC, UM, IS, IS NOT EASY TO, YOU CANNOT HAVE IT ANYMORE WITHOUT VIOLATING CODE.
AND SO THE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MR. LICKEY? WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND UH, WE'LL OPEN IT UP IF THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WITH NONE THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, COMMISSIONER LA ROCHE AND COMMISSIONER, UH, GROGAN AND THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
THERE IS NONE OPPOSED AND SO THERE THEREFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
COMMISSIONERS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND, UH, THE STAFF HAS LET US KNOW THAT, UM, WITH THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, UH, WE DO HAVE A TIME CLOCK TICKING FOR A DEMOLITION REQUEST, BUT THERE'S ALSO A TIME CLOCK THAT GOES WITH THE APPROVAL OF NEW PLANS.
AND IT MAY BE THAT WE COULD CONSIDER BOTH THE NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA.
I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT AS A POSSIBILITY.
IS THAT CORRECT, MS. ALLEN? YES.
UM, SO SINCE THIS PROPERTY IS TECHNICALLY, DID YOU GET WITH MARY OR NO? WE'RE WAITING ON A RESPONSE FROM LEGAL ABOUT THE, UM, THE TIMELINE FOR THE DEMOLITION.
UH, SO EITHER IF EITHER IT'S 180 DAYS OR, UH, FOR REVIEW OF THE DEMOLITION, THAT'S USUALLY FOR CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES.
UM, FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES, IT'S 75 DAYS, UM, WHICH STARTS TODAY.
AND THEN NEW CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, THE 75 DAY WILL CLOCKS TO CLOCK WILL START AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN THEY ARE, UH, ARE ON THE AGENDA.
MS. CONTRERAS, UH, BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS NON-CONTRIBUTING ON THE BOOKS, IT WILL RECEIVE A 75 DAY TIMELINE FOR ACTION, UM, FOR THIS DEMOLITION REQUEST.
AND THEN, SO THE DEMOLITION CLOCK IS 75 DAYS, WHICH STARTS TODAY, AND THEN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION 75 DAY CLOCK WILL START AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, 75 DAYS USUALLY GIVES YOU THREE MEETINGS.
I WILL SAY YOU HAVE TO INITIATE ON THE SECOND MEETING IF YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND, UM, BY THE THIRD, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE, YOU CANNOT INITIATE ON THE THIRD 'CAUSE IT WILL TIME OUT.
CHAIR SETH COMM ROCHE, I WILL GIVE YOU A MOTION.
UH, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PLANS TO FURTHER UNDERSTAND BY I LIKE COMMISSIONER COOK OR A LITTLE BIT PERPLEXED BY THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
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POSTPONE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, TILL THE AUGUST MEETING, CORRECT? SEPTEMBER.WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTONE.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF YOUR MOTION BEYOND WHAT YOU SAID COMMISSIONER? NO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
DO WE, WE DIDN'T NEED TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK OPEN ON THAT ONE TOO, DID WE? OH, YOU DID NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, LET'S ADD TO THE MOTION ONE LAST TIME.
UH, COMMISSIONER ROCHE, I MOVED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND POSTPONE THE, THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
AND ANY OPPOSED? THERE ARE NONE OPPOSED.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WE WILL HEAR THAT NEXT MONTH.
ALRIGHT, THAT GETS US UP TO ITEM 19, WHICH WAS, UH, YES.
WAS THERE AN OPPOSED? YEAH, I THINK SHE COUNTED IT THOUGH.
AND JUST CATCH MY ATTENTION NEXT TIME.
[19. HR-2023-087176 – 719 Congress Ave. – Consent ]
UH, ITEM 19.UH, THAT'S SEVEN 19 CONGRESS AVENUE.
AND THAT WAS PULLED BY COMMISSIONER KOCH.
UH, COMMISSIONER, DO WE NEED A PRESENTATION ON THIS OR IS THERE A SPECIFIC QUESTION? UH, YES.
I WOULD LIKE A PRESENTATION ON THIS 'CAUSE I PULLED IT SPECIFICALLY SO THAT THE FULL COMMISSION COULD SEE ALL THE DETAILS.
FULL DISCLOSURE COMMISSIONER, UH, THE STAFF REPORT FOR THIS, UH, WAS POSTED BEFORE WE RECEIVED THE MOST RECENT UPDATE.
SO THE PRESENTATION IS NOT GOING TO REFLECT THE LAST, UH, ITERATION OF DRAWINGS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO, UH, COMPLETE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS AND COMPLETE AN INTERIOR RENOVATION OF THE STATE THEATER AT SEVEN 19 CONGRESS AVENUE.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY TO THE CONGRESS AVENUE NATIONAL REGISTER.
HISTORIC DISTRICT EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS CONSIST OF CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ROOFTOP LOUNGE, STUCCO REPAIR, RE REPAINTING OF THE EXISTING FACADE AND STOREFRONT MODIFICATIONS.
UH, THIS IS A 1935 CONCRETE AND STUCCO THEATER, WHICH WAS CONSTRUCTED SPECIFICALLY FOR SHOWING FILMS, UH, AND IT WAS RENOVATED EXTENSIVELY IN 1998.
THIS WAS THE FIRST THEATER IN AUSTIN TO BE BUILT, BUILT SPECIFICALLY TO SHOW MOVIES.
UH, IN 1935, THEATER ARCHITECT W SCOTT DUNN DESIGNED IT IN THE ART DECO POP ART DECO STYLE POPULAR AT THE TIME.
UM, AT THE TIME OF ITS CONSTRUCTION, A RETAIL SPACE SEPARATED THE STATE IN THE PARAMOUNT, BUT THE STATE EXPANDED IN THE 1940S TO INCLUDE THAT RETAIL AREA.
UH, THE PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE CONGRESS AVENUE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT AND MAY MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION.
THIS PROPERTY WENT TO THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, LAST MONTH, AND COMMITTEE FEEDBACK INCLUDED, UM, DIRECTION TO LIGHTEN THE GUARDRAIL CONSTRUCTION.
ENCOURAGE A 15 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE THIRD FLOOR, USE FULL WIDTH GLASS CONSTRUCTION OR ANOTHER TRANSPARENCY ENHANCING CONSTRUCTION AT THAT THIRD FLOOR, OR CONSIDER, UH, MORE DIFFERENTIATED MATERIALITY.
UM, CONSIDER A RETRACTABLE AWNING, UH, RECONSIDER THE STOREFRONT ALIGNMENT AND INCLUDE MORE VIEWS OF THE STOREFRONT PROPOSED IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEW PLANS HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THESE, SO I'LL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO COMMENT ON THE PLANS.
UH, MAY I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? THERE WAS MENTION IN THE A R C ABOUT REPLACEMENT OF THE SIGN.
IS THAT SEPARATE FROM THIS APPLICATION OR WOULD THAT BE PART OF IT? UH, THAT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE STAFF REPORTING WAS SUBMITTED AFTER POSTING.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES.
UH, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I'M EMILY LITTLE WITH CLAYTON COURTY ARCHITECTS AND WE ARE, UM, HONORED TO GET TO WORK ON THE, EXCUSE ME, STATE THEATER.
UM, THIS IS, UH, YOUR REVIEW IS FOR THE EXTERIOR, BUT JUST BRIEFLY, IT'S A WONDERFUL COMPLETE REDO OF THE INTERIOR OF THE STATE.
FOR SO LONG, THE STATE'S SORT OF BEEN THE NEPHEW OR SECOND COUSIN OF THE GREAT QUEEN NEXT DOOR AND THE SAME ALLIANCE, AUSTIN THEATER ALLIANCE ASSOCIATION, UM, OR OPERATES
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BOTH THEATERS.AND SO THIS REMODEL IS GONNA ENABLE AN INTERIOR CONNECTION.
BARS WILL BE ADDED TO AN OPEN LOBBIES TO FOUR LEVELS IN THE STATE.
SO THERE WILL BE CO-MINGLING AND MUTUAL SUPPORT OF THIS ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY NOW.
SO IT'S A GREAT THING FOR AUSTIN'S CULTURAL FUTURE.
THE OLDEST PHOTOGRAPH WE HAVE IS ON THE LEFT AND IT IS 1936.
IT HAS SINCE BECOME A VENUE THAT'S BELOVED BY SINGER SONGWRITERS FOR ITS INTIMACY IN THE THEATER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO CELEBRATE AND EXPAND AND CAPITALIZE UPON.
THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE STATE ARE IN THE CENTER.
WITHIN FIVE YEARS, THAT SIGN ON THE LEFT WAS DOWN, AND THE ONE THAT IS THERE NOW WAS ERECTED.
PART OF OUR REQUEST TO YOU ALL IS BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE BLADE SIGN.
THE IT IS MADE OF STEEL AND IS BRACED BACK BY A LARGE TRUSS ON THE ROOFTOP.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTERIOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THAT SIGN IS, AND IT'S, UH, UH, AN ONGOING CHALLENGE FOR MAINTENANCE DAY, UH, ANNUAL MONEY SPENT FOR THIS SIGN.
SO THE PROPOSAL FROM THE STATE, JONATHAN HUMPHREY IS THE, UM, GREAT CARETAKER OF THE STATE AND THE PARAMOUNT.
HE WAS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THE REPLICA PARAMOUNT BLADE SIGN RECREATED BY, BASED ON AN OLD PHOTOGRAPH FROM L BJ'S INAUGURAL PARADE.
WE WOULD USE THE SAME ARCHITECTURE FIRM THAT DESIGNED FROM THAT PHOTOGRAPH TO, TO REPLICATE THE DETAILING OF THIS.
BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR A REPLACEMENT IN ALUMINUM TO HAVE KNOWN STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, LIGHTER WEIGHT, AND TO REMOVE THAT TRUSS ON THE ROOF, IT WOULD BE AN EXACT REPLICATION.
THE BIG CHANGE THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR YOU SEE HERE ON THE BOTTOM IMAGE, WHICH IS A CHANGE TO THE EXISTING STOREFRONT.
UH, IT'S NOT EASY TO BE SEEN IN THAT IMAGE, BUT WE'LL GO ON AND, UH, SHE CAN SEE IT IN SOME DRAWINGS.
UH, IN THE MIDDLE IS THE EXISTING CONDITION AND ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, YOU CAN'T TELL FROM THE, THE OLDER PICTURE ON THE LEFT, BUT THE FACADE THAT THE, THE THEATER WAS ONE ELEMENT, AND ON THE RIGHT, THE LOWER ONE STORY PROPORTION WAS AT, UM, SOME SORT OF RETAIL.
AND WE CAN SEE THAT FROM SIGNAGE ON ALL PHOTOS.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, THIS IS A BIT DENSE, BUT THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS LEVEL ONE.
THE, UH, BLUE LINE IS THE OUTLINE OF THE FACADE WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1936.
THE RED LINE IS THE EXISTING PLACEMENT OF THE WALLS.
AND WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS TO MOVE THAT, LEAVE THE TOP PORTION THE SAME, BUT IN THE SECOND, THE ONE STORY SECTION MOVE, SHIFT THAT WALL BACK ABOUT THREE, EXCUSE ME, PULL THAT WALL FORWARD, ROUGHLY TWO AND A HALF FEET.
IT WOULD BE SLIGHTLY RECESSED FROM THE FRONT FACADE.
UH, IN THIS REMODEL, WE ARE REQUIRED TO IN, UH, INCLUDE A, AN ADDITIONAL EGRESS STAIR.
AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS PROJECTION.
AS YOU CAN SEE UP AT LEVEL TWO, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING LEAVING THE, THE, THE FACADE WALLS OF LEVEL TWO, THE SAME.
AND THEN UP AT LEVEL THREE, THE CURRENT CONDITIONS HAVE A WALL AT THE RED LINE, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THE YELLOW LINE.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING AT LEVEL THREE IS THAT THE, THE, UH, STAIR, THE EGRESS STAIR IS PROJECTING INTO THE SPACE THAT, UH, IS SEVEN INCHES BEHIND THAT FACADE AT LEVEL TWO.
IT'S EASIER TO SEE IN THREE D.
THIS IS A SECTION OF CONVEYING SETBACKS THAT WE, THAT EXIST AND SETBACKS EACH.
YOU'LL BE BE ANSWERING OUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
PLEASE CONTINUE AS YOU ARE ANSWERING OUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS THANK YOU.
SO ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE, UM, LET'S SEE.
THAT IS A SECTION THROUGH THE STAIR ON THE RIGHT MM-HMM.
SO YOU SEE THE, THE YELLOW LINE UP AT
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LEVEL THREE IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE BRINGING OUT.WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT'S DRAWING, THAT'S A SECTION THROUGH THE ROOFTOP TERRACE.
WHEN WE MET WITH A R C, THEY HAD A VERY VALID POINT BECAUSE WE HAD A FULL HEIGHT WALL AT THAT LEVEL WHERE YOU SEE THE RED DASHED ANGLE LINE AND IT, WE HAD IT IN STUCCO, AND IT WAS, IT WAS CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE ORIGINAL MASSING OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO WE, THEY REQUESTED THAT WE WRAP THAT IN A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
AND SO WHAT WE DID, WE NOT ONLY WRAPPED IT IN A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, WHICH IS A, A MATTE GRAY METAL, BUT WE ALSO SLOPED THE ROOF TO REDUCE ITS MASSING WHEN SEEN FROM THE FRONT.
WE HAVE SOME PERSPECTIVE VIEWS THAT WERE, THAT'LL BE MORE CLARIFYING.
SO HERE YOU SEE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, EMPHASIZING IN THE BRIGHTEST WHITE STUCCO, WHICH THE STATE IS NOW THE ORIGINAL FACADE, MASSING OUR SECOND LEVEL ON THE RIGHT WOULD STEP BACK MATCHING THE WALL PLACEMENT WHERE IT IS NOW IN A DARKER TONED GRAY.
AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS THE METAL WRAP ON THE EGRESS STAIR.
THERE CURRENTLY IS A MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT UP THERE.
SO WE GOT, WE'RE, IT'S, WE'RE TREATING IT AS A UTILITARIAN ELEMENT RATHER THAN A BUILDING ELEMENT TO NOT DILUTE THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE FACADE.
HERE'S A FRONTAL VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THERE ARE CHANGES OCCURRING IN WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ON THAT FACADE AT LEVEL ONE DUE TO THE BOX OFFICE AND THE EGRESS STEER.
AND WE ARE RELATING BACK TO THE 1935 TREATMENT, 36 TREATMENT OF THAT SECOND GLASS AREA BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A EXACT, WELL, IT'S A REPLICA OF WHAT WE SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH FROM THOSE EARLIER PHOTOS.
THERE IS A ROOFTOP BAR PROPOSED, WELL GO BACK PLEASE JUST QUICKLY.
AND THAT WOULD BE SEEN UP THERE TO THE LEFT ON THE TOP TO THE LEFT BETWEEN THE BLADE SIGN AND THE NEW HOTEL.
THAT WOULD BE A RETRACTABLE AWNING.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE THE, THE MASSING.
THIS IS AN ANGLED VIEW FROM WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM ACROSS THE STREET, BUT TO SEE ANYTHING WE ZOOMED IN, BUT IT'S TAKEN TO CONVEY WHAT WOULD BE SEEN ABOVE.
THAT THE, THE, THERE'S A MAP THAT SHOWS THE VIEW ANGLE.
THIS IS THE DRAWING OF EXISTING CONDITIONS AND PROPOSED.
OKAY, MS. LITTLE, UH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND WRAP UP YOUR PRESENTATION.
ANY MORE TO SHOW HERE? I THINK JUST A FEW.
THE COLORS ALL IN THE PALETTE OF GRAZING LIGHTS.
THE REAR OF THE BUILDING REMAINS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
THIS IS JUST SOME REPAIR WORK WE'RE DOING WHERE IT RETURNS BACK NOW THAT THE HOTEL HAS BEEN BUILT.
AND THEN THIS IS A VIEW OF THAT EGRESS STAIR LOWER IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IN ITS METAL HOUSING TO BE READ MORE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OF MS. LITTLE? YES, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
IS THE INTENT ON THE SIGN TO STILL REPLACE THE NEON WITH L E D? YES, IT IS.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF THE OWNER HAS ANY INTEREST IN LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND THE TAX BENEFITS THAT WOULD COME WITH IT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO A NONPROFIT? THEY HAVE DISCUSSED IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION ON THAT.
DO YOU RECOMMEND IT? UH, I, I THINK EMPHATICALLY YES.
YEAH, THAT'S, UM, IF TWO OF US WERE TO BRING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISCUSS IT LATER.
UH, BUT IT, WE'LL DISCUSS IT LATER.
UM, SO IT, YOU SAY IT'S UNCERTAIN BUT POSSIBLE? DEFINITELY.
IT, IT'S SURPRISING THAT IT'S NOT, BUT YES.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF THIS APPLICANT COMMISSIONER? NO QUESTION.
WELL, THE REASON WE GET TO SEE THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S IN A NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT.
UH, IT IS AN, IT IS AN EXTENSIVE PUZZLE AND, UH, WE TOOK A LITTLE EXTRA TIME COMMISSIONERS, BUT I, I THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABLY INTERESTING ENOUGH TO SEE HOW INTRICATELY THESE THINGS ARE WORKED TOGETHER.
UH, WELL FIRST, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, IF NOT, I'LL
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MOVE.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? NO, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
TO START THIS? I'M GOING TO MOVE TO MAKE COMMENTS.
WELL, YOU, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION SO WE CAN MAKE COMMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UH, WELL, THE MOTION, BECAUSE THE ACTION THAT WE WOULD TAKE ON THIS, UNLESS WE INITIATE, IS TO MAKE COMMENTS AND SO ON THESE IT'S RELEASE AND MAKE COMMENTS.
COMMENT ON AND RELEASE THE PLANS.
BUT WE DON'T REALLY, WE DON'T, THERE'S NO APPROVED DENY.
RELEASE THEM FROM THE HOLD BY MAKING OUR COMMENTS.
TO, TO MAKE OUR COMMENTS AND RELEASE 'EM FROM THE HOLD.
THESE ARE ALWAYS, AND DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC COMMENTS OR OTHER THAN YES.
UM, HAVE YOU GOTTEN A SECOND AND, UH, ING, UM, AND A VOTE? WELL, WE, WE, I MEAN A SECOND.
DON'T WE HAVE TO VOTE TO MAKE THE COMMENTS 'CAUSE AND AGREE TO MAKE THE COMMENTS OTHERWISE SOMEONE ELSE MAY WANNA POSTPONE OR INITIATE INSTEAD.
SO DON'T WE HAVE TO AGREE THAT YOU CAN ALSO, YOU CAN ALWAYS, THE MOTION IS TO RELEASE AND ADD COMMENTS.
YOU CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND THEN AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS.
I THOUGHT WE JUST ALWAYS MADE THE MOTION TO MAKE COMMENTS AND THEN WE JUST MAKE THE COMMENTS AND OH, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO RELEASE THE HOLD ON THE APPLICATION AND MAKE OUR COMMENTS AT, AT THIS MEETING.
UH, WE CAN VOTE ON THE MOTION COMMISSIONERS, OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU CAN ADD YOUR COMMENTS NOW.
UH, BOTH ARE GERMAINE COMMISSIONERS.
THE COMMENTS ARE THE A R C COMMENTS IS THAT, UH, AND THE COMMENTS WOULD BE ANY COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE WOULD LIKE, WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE A R C.
AND IF WE CAN START MAKING THE COMMENTS NOW, IF, IF WE CAN MAKE THE COMMENTS BE, UH, UM, I GUESS WE CAN.
Y'ALL CAN COMMENT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT
SO, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE, THAT WERE RECORDED, EVERYONE SAW A AND I THOUGHT EVERYONE SHOULD SEE IT, UM, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, THE SIGN WAS A PRETTY BIG, UH, ALMOST AS BIG AS THE FACADE ITSELF, AND THAT WASN'T MENTIONED IN, IN, IN THE BACKUP.
UH, AND SO I THOUGHT THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.
I'M, I'M PERSONALLY FINE WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SIGN WITH ALUMINUM BECAUSE THE PAINTED ENAMEL METAL WILL LOOK THE SAME.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEON STRIP IN LIEU OF THE NEON AND THAT SETTING OF PRECEDENT FOR SUCH ON SUCH A PIVOTAL SIGN.
SO I, I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
AND ALSO JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO REALIZE IT'S NOT A LANDMARK, UH, AND WE'RE ONLY SEEING IT GETS IN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
AND TO INVITE THE POSSIBILITY OF EITHER SIGNALING THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING, I, AND HOPEFULLY SOMEONE ELSE WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA TO INITIATE OR POSSIBLY INITIATING NOW TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST.
UM, BUT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A PERFECT FIT ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITH THE EX.
THE HIGH TAX BENEFITS FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FOR A NON-PROFIT SEEMS LIKE A PERFECT FIT.
AND SO I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TOO.
OVERALL, I THINK, UM, I'M FINE RELEASING THE HOLD ON THIS WORK.
I THINK IT'S VERY SENSITIVELY DONE.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD IMPACT ABILITY TO, UH, DESIGNATE THIS AS A LANDMARK AND THIS PROCESS ALONE WOULD BE THE HIGHEST HURDLE THAT A LANDMARK WOULD HAVE TO MAKE.
SO IF WE'RE GETTING THIS APPROVED AND THIS AS APPROVED STILL QUALIFIES AS A LANDMARK, THE WORK'S BEEN APPROVED, IT STILL QUALIFIES.
HOW MUCH WORSE CAN IT GET FOR THE LANDMARK THAN TO DO THE WORK AND, AND, UH, ENJOY THE TAX BENEFITS, WHICH ARE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, TO KEEP THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, KEEP THIS KIND OF BUILDING IN OPERATION.
THIS IS WHAT THAT TAX BENEFIT WOULD TRULY REAP REWARDS FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC FOR YEARS TO COME.
UM, THE ONLY HANGUP I HAVE IS THE NEON BEING REPLACED BY L E D.
OTHER THAN THAT, I WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET A DESIGNATION STARTED WITH OWNER OF CONSENT.
AND FOR EVERYONE AND JUST TO BRING KNOWLEDGE OF THE, OF THE CASE TO EVERYONE, WHICH WE ALL APPRECIATE.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED? UH, THESE ARE JUST REFLECTION OF THE A R C COMMENTS.
THANKS FOR, FOR CHANGING THAT METAL PANEL AT THE THIRD LEVEL.
UM, I DO LIKE THE VERTICAL PANELS THAT ARE A LITTLE DARKER GRAY AND KIND OF, UH, REMINISCE OUR WHITE STRIPING IN THE FRONT MAIN FACADE.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HELPFUL.
UH, I'M NOT ENTIRELY CONVINCED OF THE, THE REST OF THE THIRD FLOOR MASKING IN COLORS, BUT WE, WE GOT THERE.
SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO MATERIALS.
UM, AND I, I LOVE KEVIN'S, OUR COMMISSIONER COOK'S IDEA,
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UH, ABOUT HIS, UH, INITIATING HISTORIC ZONING.UH, I THINK THAT'S IN A SENSE A NO BRAINER, BUT, UM, THAT'S MY BRAIN.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE'S BRAIN.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO ADD, UH, AGAIN, COMPLIMENTS TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND THE SENSITIVITY, UH, OF THIS WORK.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THE, UM, PROBABLY THE RIGHT WAY TO PROCEED BECAUSE AN OWNER'S SUPPORT IS SO IMPORTANT, UM, WOULD BE TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND ASK MS. LITTLE IF YOU WOULD CHECK WITH THE OWNERS.
AND IF WE DO HEAR THAT THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THE HONOR OF HAVING THE CITY INITIATE, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH INTEREST IN THE COMMISSION THAT WE WOULD MAKE THAT A PRIORITY.
UH, THE OTHER THING TO PASS ON AS FAR AS COMMENTS GO, UH, NOT ONLY THE TAX ISSUES, BUT AS YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE GRANTS AND THE, PARTICULARLY THE TOURIST GRANTS AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING, UH, THIS IS SUCH AN ELIGIBLE PROPERTY AND IT'S IN SUCH THE RIGHT LOCATION THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING EVEN FOR THIS PROJECT THAT YOU MAY WISH TO, UH, EXPLORE.
UH, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF TIGHT DEADLINES TO MEET IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO WORK ON THAT.
MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? I, I THINK ANOTHER OPTION COULD BE TO INITIATE NOW AND HAVE THE OWNER ATTEND BY PHONE IN THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THEN THAT WOULD PUT US IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO NOT RECOMMEND.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT.
THE ONLY OTHER REASON I MIGHT CONSIDER WANTING TO DO THAT IS HOW STRONGLY I FEEL ABOUT THE L E D VERSUS NEON.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CONTENTION I WOULD HAVE ON A LANDMARK PROPERTY.
THE, I, I KNOW, UM, IN THE RESTORATION OF THE PARAMOUNT SIGN, UH, WE LEARNED THAT L E D BULBS WERE USED, UH, EXPOSED FILAMENT BULBS ARE, HAVE GOTTEN VERY GOOD AT REPLICATING, EXPOSED, UH, IN L E D AT REPLICATING INCANDESCENT.
I HAVE NOT SEEN, I'VE DONE A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THE USE OF L E D STRIP IN LIEU OF NEON AND THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN WHERE IT'S BEEN DONE SUGGEST IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME WARRANT AND THE SAME GLOW AND THE SAME MOTION.
I FEEL REALLY STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO INITIATE LANDMARK DESIGNATION AS A TOOL TO
UH, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT AT THIS POINT.
UH, BUT I WOULD JUST PLEASE PASS ON HOW STRONGLY I FEEL ABOUT THE L E D VERSUS THE NEON AND LET US KNOW ABOUT THE INITIATION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO YOU TALKED YOURSELF INTO IT AND TALKED YOURSELF OUT.
I'M ON THE BUBBLE AND I'M, I'M LOOKING, I WANTED A DISCUSSION AT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE COMMENTS ARE ALL ABOUT.
I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT COULD, COULD DO THE MATH TO SEE THAT THE HISTORIC ZONING AND, AND THE BENEFITS OF THAT THROUGH TAX PAYMENT WOULD, WOULD PAY FOR THE DELTA FROM L E D TO, TO NEON.
IT'S SUCH A SMALL THING AND UM, THIS PROPERTY IS VERY MUCH DESERVED OF BEING A HISTORICAL LANDMARK.
BUT IF WE RELEASE IT NOW, WE'VE RELEASED IT SO
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY NOW.
THE ONLY WAY TO GET THAT AUTHORITY IS TO INITIATE, RECOMMEND, AND GO THROUGH THE MONTHS OF SENDING IT ALL THE WAY UP TO BECOME DESIGNATED.
UH, IF YOU HAVE, UH, COMMENTS ON THAT MS. LITTLE, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THIS SUBJECT? YES, I DO HAVE SOME.
WE FEEL JUST LIKE YOU DO, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT THE L E D IF THEY CANNOT PROVE TO US BEFORE WE DO IT THAT IT WILL HAVE THE SAME QUALITY.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE CONSIDERING IT THOUGH.
AND THE OTHER REASON THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE WOULD EVER CONSIDER IT IS IF THEY CAN SHOW EQUAL GLOW.
AND IF THEY CAN'T, WE'LL NEED TO FIND AN ANOTHER WAY BECAUSE THE NEON IS, UM, VIBRATION.
THAT'S WHERE THEY SAID IT WAS PROB THERE WAS PROBLEMATIC ISSUES WITH THE NEON OF SUSTAINABILITY AND GETTING IT REPAIRED AND ON AND ON.
SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PATH AND, UH, THE OWNER'S VERY COMMITTED TO DOING THIS.
I'M, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THESE, OUR COMMENTS WORK.
DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND OUR COMMENTS THAT ARE JUST A RUNNING DIALOGUE? UM, I, I GUESS WE'D REQUEST THAT, UH, WHEN YOU GUYS DO THAT ANALYSIS, WHEN YOU HAVE THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA CREATE THE L E D SIGN AND, AND THE, THE, THE PROOF THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, COULD YOU COME BACK TO US AND SHOW US THAT? OKAY.
I WOULD SUGGEST THERE'S NO WAY IT COULD BE THE SAME
BUT COMMISSIONER PROBABLY HAS A NEON LIGHT IN HIS BAR, IN HIS HOUSE.
HAVE YOU HEARD THE TOM WAIT SONG LOOKING FOR THE HEART OF
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SATURDAY NIGHT? IT'S LIKE RIGHT IN THERE.YOU CAN, YOU CAN APPROXIMATE AND I CAN FIND YOU SOME VENEERS THAT APPROXIMATE BRICK TOO, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME.
SO I, YOU FEEL VERY STRONGLY WITH NEON BEING PART OF THE IDENTITY OF THE CITY, OF LETTING THE BIGGEST, MOST IMPORTANT, MOST CENTRAL NEON SIGN IN THE CITY GO TO L E D.
I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
UH, WE DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THESE COMMENTS ARE RECORDED, MS. ALLEN? YEAH.
SO I'M MAKING NOTES AND THEN OBVIOUSLY I WILL SHARE THESE COMMENTS WITH, IF YOU ALL VOTE TO RELEASE, UH, WITH THE APPROVED OR STAMPED DRAWINGS THAT I SEND BACK, I WILL LIST THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE MADE.
UM, I'M KEEPING A RECORD HERE, BUT I USUALLY GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE RECORDING AS WELL TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS ANYTHING.
UM, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR THINGS I HAVE IS LIKE, I'M GOING TO SEND THEM A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, NOT A PACKAGE, BUT LIKE A PACKET OF INFORMATION ON LANDMARKING AND THE PROCESS AND THE TAX BENEFITS AS WELL AS COMMENTS ON NEON VERSUS L E D.
UM, AND EVEN THE MATERIALITY THAT JUAN RAYMOND OR COMMISSIONER RUBIO SAID.
SO THAT, THOSE ARE THE MAIN POINTS THAT I HAVE SO FAR.
COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS MISSING FROM OUR COMMENTS? I'M JUST CONFIRMING OUR DIRECTION,
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LET THE OWNER KNOW ABOUT LANDMARK PROCESSING PROCESSES.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY THEY COME BACK TO US.
AND IF THEY DON'T, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION AND MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO ABOUT WHAT THIS COMMISSION CAN DO TO INITIATE ZONING.
IS THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS THERE? THE COMMISSION CAN ONLY INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING ON A ACTIVE AND OPEN APPLICATION.
SO THE APPLICATION RIGHT NOW IS FOR, IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE SEEING ON THE AGENDA.
ALTHOUGH I'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT TWO COMMISSIONERS CAN PUT AN INITIATION ON THE AGENDA.
YES, THAT IS, UH, HASN'T HAPPENED WITH ME AROUND, BUT YES, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVER, IF IT'S EVER HAPPENED.
BUT IF WE HAD, UH, AN APPLICANT COMMUNICATING OR A FORMER APPLICANT COMMUNICATING WITH STAFF AND EXPRESSED INTEREST AND WE VOICED INTEREST UP HERE, I THINK THIS COULD BE A RARE CASE WHERE, WHERE THAT COULD HAPPEN.
YES, COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, Y'ALL CAN ASK FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM IF TWO OR MORE COMMISSIONERS AGREE TO IT.
UM, AND I CAN LOOK AT THE PROCESS FOR THAT AND SEND IT AROUND IF THAT'S OF INTEREST.
AND MS. GUTIERREZ, BEFORE CONTRERAS BEFORE YOU LEAVE, UM, AS I ALSO UNDERSTAND, IF HISTORIC ZONING HAS BEEN INITIATED, THAT WILL PUT A HOLD ON ANY PER PERMITS UNTIL THAT IS RESOLVED.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, I NEED TO CHECK ON INITIATION VERSUS RECOMMENDATION, BUT INITIATION EFFECTIVELY IS A POSTPONEMENT, SO, UH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO WITH AN ACTIVE PROJECT AND A PRO AND, AND THE PROCESS THAT IS UNDERWAY, IT MAY BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY IF THAT'S APPROVED TONIGHT, IF THIS IS, IS RELEASED TO HAVE THAT GO, ITS GO THROUGH ITS PROCESS COMPLETED AND THEN HAVE THE, UH, HISTORIC INITIATED, BUT SO IT DOESN'T INADVERTENTLY HOLD SOMETHING UP.
AND YEAH, SINCE THE REVIEW FOR THIS CASE HAS BEEN HAD HERE AND RELEASED, ASSUMING THE MOTION PASSES, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HOLD UP THIS PERMIT.
ASSUMING THE MOTION PASSES, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HOLD UP THIS PERMIT AT AT OTHER STAGES BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY UNDERGONE HISTORIC REVIEW BEFORE IT HAD BEEN IN THEORY INITIATED, RECOMMENDED OR DESIGNATED.
AND SO IT SHOULDN'T HOLD UP THIS WORK IF WE WERE TO INITIATE IN THE FUTURE, IN THE FUTURE.
IF IT'S SIMULTANEOUS, I DON'T HAVE NO IDEA.
WELL WE JUST CONFUSED EVERYBODY, BUT
THE MOTION IS TO RELEASE THE, UH, PERMIT WITH OUR COMMENTS.
AND IF I, UH, UNDERSTAND, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.
IS THAT RIGHT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND ANY OPPOSED? I'M GONNA CHECK TO MAKE SURE.
AND, AND THANK THE FOLKS AT THE STATE, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A FABULOUS, UH, ALREADY AS A RESOURCE.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE THAT MUCH BETTER.
SO COMMISSIONERS, THAT HAS GOTTEN US ALL THE WAY DOWN ON OUR AGENDA TO ITEM 20,
[20. PR-2023-071143 – 81 Waller St. – Discussion]
WHICH IS 81 WALLER STREET.ITEM 20 IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A CIRCA 19 80 18 80 HOUSE AT 81 WALLER STREET.
UH, THIS PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE WILLOW SPENCE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE 1985 WILLOW SPENCE NOMINATION DESCRIBES THE BUILDING AS FOLLOWS, CIRCA 1882, BUILDING WITH ONE STORY, UH, ESSENTIAL ENTRANCE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING AND FRAME STRUCTURE WITH AN INTACT BRICK CHIMNEY, SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS, AND A SMALL FRONT PORCH.
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THE SITE APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE EARLIEST, IF NOT THE EARLIEST STRUCTURE IN THE SURVEY AREA.THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT AROUND 1880 BY ROBERT K BRISSON, A FRUIT GROWER.
AND DAIRYMAN BRIDES BRISON DIED AROUND 1888 AND HIS WIFE PAULINE, AND THEIR CHILDREN REMAINED IN THE HOME AND WORKED TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES.
SONS JOHN J AND ROBERT W BRISSON BEGAN WORKING IN CARPENTRY.
CARPENTRY AND O OPENED AND OPERATED THE BRISSON LUMBER COMPANY.
THE FAMILY HOME IN 81 WALLER STREET APPEARS TO BE THE ORIGINAL HOME OF THE BRISSON BROTHERS CARPENTRY BUSINESS.
BEFORE THE LUMBER COMPANY BECAME ONE OF AUSTIN'S MOST PROLIFIC BUILDERS.
BRISON LUMBER AND CONSTRUCTION WAS ONE OF AUSTIN'S LARGEST LUMBER SUPPLIERS, BUT ALSO ON THE SAME MODEL AS CALCA SHOE AND EAST END LUMBER COMPANIES.
THEY DESIGNED, BUILT AND FINANCED HOUSES FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.
THEY CONTINUED TO BE A STRONG PRESENCE IN AUSTIN'S GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDING LUMBER AND BUILDING SUPPLIES TO VARIOUS CONTRACTORS, AS WELL AS FURNISHING DESIGNS AND CONTRACTOR SERVICES.
BRISSON ALSO CARRIED A FULL LINE OF PAINTS AND VARNISHES BUILT CABINETS AND MILLED THEIR OWN LUMBER.
THEY GREW TO BE ONE OF THE TWO MAJOR LUMBER COMPANIES IN AUSTIN, AND THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY HOUSES IN NORTH CENTRAL AUSTIN, INCLUDING THE BRISSON NEAR THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS CAMPUS.
AFTER THE FAMILY MOVE, THE HOMES OCCUPIED MOSTLY BY WORKING IN MIDDLE CLASS RENTERS, INCLUDING LABORERS, CLERKS, CARPENTERS, NAVY SAILORS AND AIRMEN, AND A GUNSMITH.
THIS PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE WILLOW SMITH, WILLOW SPENCE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN SURVEY LISTS THE PROPERTY AS CONTRIBUTING TO A POTENTIAL LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL.
THE BUILDING APPEARS TO RETAIN HIGH TO MODERATE INTEGRITY.
WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED IN A SMALL BAY ADDED TO EACH SIDE ELEVATION, WHERE EXISTING WINDOWS HAVE BEEN INFILLED BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING HAS BEEN REPLACED BY VERTICAL SIDING AND THE CENTRAL TRANSOM AT THE FRONT HAS BEEN COVERED BY THAT SIDING.
THE ORIGINAL BRICK CHIMNEY HAS BEEN REMOVED.
STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IT MAY MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION.
THIS BUILDING IS A VERNACULAR STRUCTURE WITH NATIONAL FOLK INFLUENCES.
IT APPEARS TO BE THE OLDEST BUILDING IN THE WILLOW SPENCE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT WITH SIMPLE STYLING AND FORM INDICATING ITS AGE AND DISTINCTION FROM THE DISTRICT'S LATER FOOT VICTORIAN BUILDINGS.
IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRISSON FAMILY.
JJ BRISSON OPENED AND OPERATED THE LUMBER COMPANY WITH HIS, HIS BROTHERS ROBERT AND BURT.
HE HAD A LANDMARKED 1896 HOUSE AT 1605 CESAR CHAVEZ STREET, UM, DURING THE 1980S.
BUT THE HOUSE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED WHEN ITS HISTORIC ZONING WAS IN INADVERTENTLY REMOVED THROUGH THE ADOPTED REZONINGS OF THE 2000 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
UH, THEIR NEPHEW, WILLIAM WARREN, IS HONORED WITH THE LANDMARKS, WILLIAM AND ELEANOR WARREN HOUSE AT 1502 HARDAWAY FOR HIS ASSOCIATION WITH THE COMPANY IN ITS LATER YEARS.
HOWEVER, THE FAMILY HOME AT 81 WALLER APPEARS TO BE THE ORIGINAL HOME OF THE BRIDES AND BROTHERS CARPENTRY BUSINESS BEFORE THE LUMBER COMPANY BECAME AS ONE OF AUSTIN'S MOST PROLIFIC BUILDERS.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE BUILDING'S INTEGRITY AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS ARE SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE DESIGNATION REQUIREMENTS.
IF SO, INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING.
IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS COMPLETION OF A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE PRIOR TO RELEASE AND NEW CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS MUST BE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC LANDMARK CONDITION COMMISSION BEFORE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT IS LET GO.
UM, MS. CONTRERAS, UH, LET'S QUALIFY SINCE THIS IS A REVIEW IN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
WE ALSO WILL HAVE THE REVIEW OF THE PLANS TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE THIS IS A TOTAL DEMOLITION.
NEW CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ARE COMING NEXT MONTH AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED.
HOWEVER, AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS CASE, IN THIS SITUATION, THIS IS INDICATED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SO THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE LONGER REVIEW.
180 DAYS FROM THE DAY THAT THE PERMIT WAS PROCESSED, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
SO WE'RE ABOUT 30 DAYS INTO THAT ALREADY.
UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTION OF STAFF? IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
DIDN'T KNOW THAT MUCH HISTORY.
AND, AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
NOW, THIRD GENERATION OWNER OF THIS HOME.
IT'S STARTED WITH MY GRANDPARENTS.
UM, SORRY AGAIN, VERY EMOTIONAL.
UM, MY GRANDPARENTS ORIGINALLY OWNED HOME WHEN THEY PASSED, THEY GAVE IT TO MY MOTHER AND I'M AN ONLY CHILD OF HER.
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I GREW UP IN THIS HOME AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT MUCH HISTORY WAS IN IT.I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR TRYING TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF HISTORY IN AUSTIN.
UM, AGAIN, THIRD GENERATION AUSTINITES.
SO WE DO WANNA KEEP THAT, UM, PRESERVED.
HOWEVER, THIS HOME WAS REPAIRED BY MY MOM AS SHE COULD.
UM, I'VE HAD PEOPLE TRY TO COME AND HELP ME REPLACE SOME OF THE THINGS, BUT THE FLOOR IS WARPED.
THERE'S EVEN RODENTS TAKING OVER IT AS WE SPEAK.
UM, AND I KNOW MY MOM TRIED HER BEST TO REPLACE AND TO KEEP UP WITH IT.
INCOME WAS DEFINITELY A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS, BUT IN ORDER FOR ME AND MY FAMILY TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY IT, IT HAS TO BE REDONE.
I DON'T WANT IT TO, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CAST IRON PIPING AND PLUMBING, IT'S BEEN HARD TO EVEN REPLACE THE TOILET TO REPLACE THE SHOWER.
UM, MY WHOLE LIFE GROWING UP I TOOK A BATH IN A CLOTH FOOT TUB 'CAUSE THERE WAS NO ADAPTION TO MAKE IT INTO A STANDING SHOWER.
UM, I STILL HAVE THE TUB, BUT THERE IS A STANDUP SHOWER IN ITS PLACE.
UM, THE DRAINING SYSTEM IS HORRIBLE ON IT.
AND TO GET SOMEONE TO EVEN COME REPLACE ANYTHING, THEY DO RECOMMEND EVERYTHING STARTED FROM BACK TO THE MAIN WATER SOURCE.
UM, WE DO SEE THE SEPARATION IN THE FRONT ROOMS COMPARED TO THE BACK HALF OF THE HOUSE.
UM, WE CAN SEE THAT THE WALLS AND THINGS ARE A LOT HIGHER, THE CEILINGS, BUT YET THERE'S NO ELECTRICAL OUTLETS IN THOSE FRONT ROOMS. UM, WE HAVE TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM AND TURN ON A CEILING FAN LIGHT.
UM, THE BREAKER BOX CAN ONLY WITHSTAND SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE KITCHEN AND NOT IN THE BEDROOMS BECAUSE THE BREAKER WILL POP.
UM, I CAN KEEP GOING ON SOME OF THE THINGS JUST GROWING UP IN THAT HOUSE HAD, BUT NOW AS AN ADULT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M ABLE TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO IT AND NOBODY WANTS TO RENOVATE IT OR TOUCH IT OR REMODEL IT OR REDO THINGS.
UM, THEY'RE SCARED OF THE LEAD IN THE PAINT.
THEY'RE SCARED OF MOLD BEHIND WALLS THAT WE DON'T KNOW OF.
UM, BECAUSE OF THOSE BIG PECAN TREES THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SQUIRRELS ARE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE ROOF SO YOU CAN HEAR THEM RUNNING ACROSS THE TOP.
AND SO I JUST HAVE TRIED CONVINCING MY MOM TO, YOU KNOW, REMODEL, REPLACE, AND SHE DID WHAT SHE COULD AS SHE COULD.
AND AGAIN, I JUST ASKED THE COMMISSION TO PLEASE LET ME SOME WAY SOMEHOW STILL KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF A FAMILY HOME ON THAT PROPERTY, BUT SOMETHING SAFE AND SOMETHING NEW, AND SOMETHING THAT MY FAMILY CAN CONTINUE ENJOY.
BUT AS RIGHT NOW, IT'S I THINK A FEW STEPS AWAY FROM CONDEMN CONDEMNATION.
UM, NO ONE STAYS THERE RIGHT NOW AS SHE PASSED IN 2020, BUT, UM, I HOPE TO CHANGE THAT.
I HOPE MY GRANDCHILDREN CAN GO AND SAY, WE'RE NOW THE FOURTH AND FIFTH GENERATION TO STAY HERE.
IT'S JUST, UNFORTUNATELY THAT HOUSE IS SO OLD.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO TRY TO MAKE IT LIVABLE, MAKE IT ENJOYABLE.
SO I, UM, HOPE YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DESTROY, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN THERE SO LONG, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE SO LONG, IT HASN'T BEEN KEPT THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT.
AND, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THE INCOME THAT MY MOM MADE, MY GRANDPARENTS MADE.
UM, I'M A BETTER POSITION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THEM.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY TO RESTORE IT OR TO EVEN KEEP IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND MS. GONZALEZ, YOU HAVE PLANS FOR A NEW HOUSE TO REPLACE IT, IS THAT CORRECT? WE DO.
I THINK THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION ERROR BETWEEN MY BUILDER AND THE OFFICE.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME P T O AND THINGS TAKEN TO WHERE WE DIDN'T KNOW WE COULD SUBMIT THE NEW, UM, DRAWINGS AT THE SAME TIME AS PRESENTING THE DEMOLITION.
UM, LIKE SHE SAID, I THINK WE ARE ON THE DOCKET FOR NEXT MONTH
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FOR THAT.UM, BUT I AM DEFINITELY WILLING TO HEAR ANYTHING YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE FROM ME, UM, DESIGN-WISE OR ANYTHING.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I WANNA KEEP THE INTEGRITY, BUT AGAIN, NO CONCRETE SLAB.
THE PORCH IS FALLING APART, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I THINK INSIDE STRUCTURALLY IT'S NOT SAFE FOR US.
UM, AGAIN, BACK TO THE LEAD PAINT AND MAYBE MOLD AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO WHERE IT MIGHT NOT BE SABLE SHOULD I SAY.
UM, LET ME ASK IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, WELL THEN WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, YOUR DISCUSSION.
IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO, THAT'S JUST MY HUSBAND MORAL SUPPORT
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE ITEM? OKAY.
UH, I WILL MOVE THAT WE MOVE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
UH, THIS IS A NATIONAL REGISTER PROPERTY, UH, AND IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
WHAT IS YOUR MOTION? I'M GONNA MOVE TO RELEASE A DEMOLITION PERMIT PENDING A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
AND IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY, UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COOK.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROCHE.
UH, CAN WE HAVE A CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION TO INCLUDE REVIEW OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS BEFORE RELEASE, INCLUDING REVIEW OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION DRAWING BEFORE RELEASE? OKAY.
SO, UM, I FEEL FOR THIS, THE TESTIMONY WAS DEFINITELY COMPELLING.
UH, WE'LL SEE IN THE PRESERVATION PLAN THAT'S, THAT'S COMING FORTH THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT AVOIDING DISPLACEMENT AND PROVIDING GRANT PROGRAMS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN MAINTAIN THEIR HOMES AND CAN STAY IN THEIR FAMILY HOMES.
SO FORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE INTEGRITY ISSUES.
THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTY PROPERTIES THAT ARE LANDMARK, UH, WITH SIMILAR HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS.
UM, AND MOSTLY THE, UM, 2006 16 HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY DOES NOT, WHICH IS VERY LIBERAL IN ITS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
DID NOT INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY.
SO, AGAIN, AS A LANDMARK, AS A LANDMARK, AS A LANDMARK MARKET.
SO AGAIN, IN, UH, I, I KNOW WE'VE LOST THE, THE, THE HOUSE IS ON SAN MARCUS BECAUSE OF A TECHNICALITY WHERE THEY WEREN'T CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T 50 YEARS OLD IN 1983.
UH, AND WE HAD PEOPLE TESTIFY THERE.
THIS IS A SMALL NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT IN AN ENDANGERED NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, MULTIPLE FACTORS, UH, LEAD ME TO MAKE THIS DECISION RATHER THAN, UM, FIGHT FOR THE RETENTION OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS AT PLAY AND I'VE MENTIONED THEM ALL.
UM, COMMISSIONER COOK? UH, COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR SECOND? NO, KEVIN COVERED THE MAJORITY OF MY COMMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THE, UH, IN THE PACKAGE, IT GOT PICTURES, THE DATE BACK TO 1980, UM, WHICH ARE REALLY GREAT.
UH, BUT I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SIDING HAS, HAS CHANGED OR MAYBE BEEN COVERED UP SINCE THEN.
YOU CAN SEE A CHIMNEY IN 1980 THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE A REALLY COOL DETAIL ON THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS IN THOSE 1980 PHOTOS THAT AREN'T THERE ANYMORE.
UM, SO IT, YES, YOU'LL, YOU'LL CREATE A, A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE FOR THAT HOUSE IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION.
I THINK WE'VE ALSO GOT GREAT DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 1980.
AND IT, AND IT'S NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE, SO I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
ANY COMMENTS? I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME COMMENTS.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU, UM, GIVING US A FULL INSIGHT INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE HAVING.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A, A DIRE NEED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE ISSUES THAT COMMISSIONER COOK MENTIONED IN OUR PRESERVATION PLAN THAT'S UPCOMING.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO WORK TO FIX OUR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM SO THAT NO ONE IN YOUR FAMILY HAS TO HAVE A PROBLEM REPAIRING THIS BUILDING AND HAVING TO CHOOSE, UH, TO RELOCATE.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE'VE LOST NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES AND YOUR, YOUR CONNECTION TO THE HOME.
UH, WE FELT THAT WE, WE HEAR THAT.
'CAUSE IT REMINDS US THAT BUILDINGS ARE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? UM, AND THAT WE CAN'T HAVE THE COMMUNITY AND THE CULTURE IF WE'RE CONTINUING TO DEMOLISH THESE BUILDINGS FOR THAT REASON.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SUPPORT RELEASING THIS AND DEMOLISHING THIS, UM, THAT, THAT'S NOTHING, UH, AGAINST, AGAINST, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS NEW HOUSE.
I ACTUALLY AM EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THIS NEW HOUSE IS GONNA
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BE.I INVITE YOU TO COME TO OUR A R C MEETING, MAYBE SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT BEFOREHAND AND MAYBE PROVIDE COMMENTS ON A SENSITIVE ADDITION TO THIS DISTRICT.
UM, I, I JUST LAMENT THE FACT THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR US POSTPONING RAINY, UH, WE, WE WOULD'VE LOST FOUR HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE, 1900 TONIGHT.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG DEAL THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO WIPE AWAY THESE HOUSES, UH, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE OLDEST HOUSES, UH, NOT JUST IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IN THE CITY.
AND SO, UH, I I TAKE THAT AS A PLEA TO ANY, ANY HOMEOWNER THAT HAS A HISTORIC HOME.
UH, PLEASE, WHETHER YOU'RE AN AUSTINITE OR MOVING TO THIS CITY, UH, PLEASE CONSIDER HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
'CAUSE UH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF POWERLESS TO STOP THAT.
SO, COMMISSIONERS, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT ALSO.
AND IT IS TELLING, UH, COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTONE THAT YOU POINT TO THE, THE DRAWINGS IN THE EIGHTIES, THE DOCUMENTS IN THE EIGHTIES.
UH, AS COMMISSIONER RUBIO IS SAYING, UM, WE HAD PROGRAMS TO TRY TO HELP.
AND IF ANYTHING, IT'S AN INDICTMENT TO, TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE WAS SOMEBODY STRUGGLING AND WE COULDN'T HELP THEM.
AND, UH, AND NOW THE RESULT IS WE HAVE A PROPERTY, AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE THE VOTE, BUT, UH, WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT ARCHITECTURALLY HAS LOST QUITE A BIT OF INTEGRITY IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION TO RELEASE, UH, PENDING THE SUBMISSION, UH, AND THE REVIEW OF THE NEW PLAN, UH, SINCE THIS IS A NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT.
UH, SO, UH, THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
AND ANY OPPOSED, COMMISSIONER RUBIO IS OPPOSED.
UM, WE APPRECIATE, UH, ALL OF THE WORK AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, MIGHT BE REPLACING THIS ONE.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE HAVE, ALL OUR CASES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
WE ARE NOW AT THE ABILITY TO, UH, MAKE APPOINTMENTS TO OUR STANDING COMMITTEES, AND YOU ALL HAVE GENEROUSLY, UH, PROVIDED YOUR PREFERENCES TO US AT THE RETREAT.
AND, UH, I HAVE TO SAY WITH, WITH THE HELP OF STAFF, UH, WE'VE MADE AT LEAST SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE FULL COMMISSION.
SO, UH, LET ME, LET ME DO MY VERY BEST AND SEE WHAT WE COME UP WITH.
SHOULD WE TAKE THEM EACH AS AN, DO YOU WANNA READ THROUGH 'EM ALL OR DO YOU WANNA TAKE 'EM AS EACH INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS? UH, I, I THINK WE CAN APPOINT ONE AT A TIME IF WE WANNA DO IT THAT WAY, BUT I THINK I'LL ANNOUNCE THEM ALL BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MOTION.
SO, UM, APPOINTMENTS ARE USUALLY DONE ONE AT A TIME.
AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, BEN'S GONNA BE READING THIS OFF, BUT IT IS NOT SET IN STONE.
IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH YOUR PLACEMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE.
SOME OF, LIKE, SOME OF THESE COMMITTEES ARE A LOT MORE ACTIVE CURRENTLY THAN OTHER ONES.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE NEED THREE PEOPLE.
BUT AS FAR AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ONES, IT'S LIKE WE CAN APPOINT LATER IF NEEDED.
UM, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE TO DOUBLE UP AS THREE, IS THE MAGIC NUMBER FOR ALL COMMITTEES.
UM, BUT YEAH, NOTHING IS SET IN STONE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS BE TAKEN OFF OR, YOU KNOW, APPOINTED AT SOMETHING NEW LATER ON.
AND, AND AS I GO THROUGH THE LIST, IT'S NOT THAT WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING COMPLETELY FIXED OUT 'CAUSE WE STILL NEED SOME HELP.
SO RIGHT NOW WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE,
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UH, AGAIN, HATS OFF TO THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE.AND, UH, I, I THINK I, I JUST HAVE, I'M HEARING WONDERFUL THINGS ALREADY, UH, ABOUT, UH, JUAN RAYMOND RUBIO, YOUR WORK, UM, AND CONTRIBUTIONS ARE ALREADY GREATLY APPRECIATED.
I HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE OF THE MEETINGS YET, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
UM, I, I CAN SAY RIGHT NOW WE NEED A THIRD AND WE, IF WE DON'T GET ONE HERE BY THE END, WE MAY WIND UP ASSIGNING SOMEBODY.
BUT THIS, THIS IS A IMPORTANT HEAVY LIFTING WORK THAT WE DO.
AND I THINK AS YOU ALLUDED TO, UM, IN YOUR CONVERSATION, EVEN INVITING PEOPLE TO THIS COMMITTEE, IT IS WHERE WE GET A CHANCE TO INTERFACE INFORMALLY WITH OWNERS WHO ARE MOST OFTEN INTERESTED AND VERY OFTEN VERY RESPONSIVE.
SO, I, I KNOW IT IS QUITE A COMMITMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE DO.
SO, UM, THOSE TWO ARE FILLED, UH, AND THEY'VE AGREED TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.
WE HAVE AN OPENING AND WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT, THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.
[31. Operations Committee – Appoint new Committee members.]
UH, I'M GOING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION OPERATIONS.I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT HOW WE INTERFACE
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WITH THESE CODES, WITH SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.UH, THAT IS CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THIS GROUP TO BE DISCUSSING.
I'M GOING TO ADD ANOTHER PART WHERE THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED THAT THERE BE A REVIEW OF OUR, UH, ABATEMENT PROGRAM.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL THINGS WE DO.
IT'S BEEN AROUND A VERY LONG TIME, AND IT HAS A LOT OF HISTORY TO IT.
AND EVEN IN THE PRESERVATION PLAN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT BE TWEAKED, BUT BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS CODE RELATED, BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR BACKGROUND IN, UH, ONGOING PROGRAM.
I DO THINK THAT'S A PLACE FOR THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE TO START THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING AND LOOKING AT WHAT ALL, WHAT UPDATES ARE APPROPRIATE IN THAT PROGRAM.
SO I, IT'S A LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING THAT.
UH, I'M, I'M VERY THANKFUL THAT, UH, OUR VICE CHAIR, UH, WITH FEATHERSTON HAS AGREED TO CONTINUE ON THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.
AND WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ARM TWISTING, UH, I'M, UH, GOING TO ASK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ROCHE JOIN THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU AGREED.
UH, AND IF WE CAN FIND A THIRD PERSON, GREAT.
IF NOT, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO WIND UP ON THAT ONE.
'CAUSE THAT'S, I, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT PLACE FOR US TO PUT SOME VERY SERIOUS EFFORT.
[32. Grants Committee – Appoint new Committee members.]
UH, ONCE AGAIN, I WANNA CLARIFY THE GRANTS.IT'S NOT ONLY THE GRANTS THAT WE HAD PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT, BUT A LOT OF COMMUNICATING ABOUT WHAT WE DO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE PART POINT OF THE GRANTS PROGRAM, IS TO REALLY EXPAND PEOPLE'S UNDERSTANDING OF OUR PROGRAMS IN GENERAL.
AND SO THE EXTENT TO WHICH GRANTS ALSO WILL BE INVOLVED IN COMMUNICATIONS, UH, I THINK WILL BE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT.
UH, AGAIN, SOME OF OUR SENIOR MEMBERS HAVE, UH, BEEN MORE THAN GRACIOUS WITH THEIR TIME.
AND COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER HAS, UH, INDICATED THAT THAT WAS THEIR, HIS INTEREST.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'LL HONOR THAT AND KEEP YOU THERE.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ, UH, HAS ALSO BEEN INTERESTED IN THAT COMMITTEE, AND I THINK IT'S A VERY APPROPRIATE PLACE.
AND, UH, I'M PRETTY SURE IF IT WASN'T YOUR FIRST CHOICE, UH, COMMISSIONER EVANS, THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO BE THERE AS, AS WELL.
SO WE'VE GOT OUR THIRD MEMBER OF THE, THE GRANTS AND SLASH COMMUNICATIONS, IF YOU WILL, COMMITTEE.
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LEAVES OUR PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE.AND, UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MEMBERS WHO'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN THE, UH, THE ACTUAL WORKING GROUP.
AND SO THEY WILL CONTINUE AND ARE NOT ELIGIBLE.
UH, SO COMMISSIONER COOK, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, BUT UH, ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE GOOD WORK, UH, COMMISSIONER GROGAN THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING OVER SEVERAL YEARS NOW AS A MEMBER.
AND YOU'LL BE IN THAT SENIOR POSITION THEN IF YOU'LL BE WILLING TO CONTINUE.
UH, AND THEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST IN, UH, THAT FROM OTHER MEMBERS.
UH, COMMISSIONER DUDLEY IS NOT PRESENT TODAY, BUT WITH HER BACKGROUND IN PARTICULAR, UH, I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE THAT SHE BE, UH, BROUGHT FORWARD TO THAT COMMITTEE.
AND THEN, UH, LET'S SEE, WHO AM I MISSING AT THIS POINT? UH, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO, UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE INTEREST IN THAT AS WELL.
AND SO, UH, I THINK THAT GIVES EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY AT LEAST ONE, EXCEPT THAT WE DO NEED NOW ANOTHER ON THE A R C.
AND AS I SAID, IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED IN THE OPERATIONS, UH, I AM QUITE HAPPY NOT TO BE THE THIRD ON THAT ONE.
I'VE VOLUNTEERED FOR THAT ONE FOR THE OPERATIONS.
UH, SO WE WILL, UH, ASK THAT THOSE, EACH OF THOSE HAVE THREE APPOINTMENTS AND MM-HMM.
SO A R C MEETINGS, ALL OF THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADJUST PER LIKE THE TIME AND DATE BASED ON, UM, THOSE WHO JOIN THE COMMITTEE.
LIKE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW WE PLAN THEM OUT.
RIGHT NOW, A R C MEETINGS ARE WEDNESDAYS USUALLY THE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING THE H L C MEETING.
SO LIKE A R C IS NEXT WEDNESDAY, UM, FROM, WE START RIGHT NOW AT THREE 30.
BUT OF COURSE THAT TIME AND THE DAY CAN BE CHANGED PER LIKE, WHO JOINS BASED ON THEIR AVAILABILITY.
AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPERTISE.
UH, IT HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN A VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THE ARCHITECTS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED WITH ARCHITECTURAL TRAINING, UH, TO BE PARTICIPANTS.
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YOU'LL YOU'LL GET KIND OF A FUN WORKOUT BECAUSE THERE ARE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURE.UH, SO I, I THINK IT'S A VERY REWARDING, UH, OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.
SO COMMISSIONER GROGAN, IF YOU WOULD GIVE THAT A SHOT AND I TELL YOU WHAT WE COULD DO, JUST SO IT'S NOT A BURDEN.
WHAT IF WE ASK YOU TO COMMIT TO THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MEETINGS? 'CAUSE IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE FULLY POPULATE THAT AND WE HAVE OTHER ARCHITECTS WHO'VE DODGED THAT AND WE MAY JUST GO AHEAD AND ROTATE THAT THIRD POSITION IF WORST CASE WORSE COMES TO WORSE.
ALL YOUR ARCHITECTS KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ON NOTICE.
UH, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY, SO WE OUT THE ONLY WAY I COULD DO IT, TO BE HONEST.
WELL LET, LET'S, THAT'S THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT THESE COMMITTEES.
WE CAN NOT ONLY REPORT EACH, UH, AGENDA, BUT WE CAN ALSO ADJUST THE MEMBERSHIP EACH AGENDA.
SO, UH, WE'LL ACCEPT YOUR COMMITMENT TO, CAN WE CALL IT THREE MONTHS AND, YEP.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO NOW WE NEED TO DO THE, UH, APPOINTMENT MOTIONS.
SO I'M GONNA, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A, OH, I'M SORRY.
I'M GONNA JUST DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
I'M GONNA JUST, WOULD YOU, UH, UH, COULD YOU HAVE A SLATE FOR EACH? YEAH.
MS. ALLEN, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE THREE FOR EACH AND WE'LL JUST DO THEM ONE AT A TIME? UM, YES.
FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD PREFER EACH, UH, COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE MOTION.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND MS. ALLEN, WOULD YOU READ THE NAMES PLEASE? YEAH.
SO I HAVE COMMISSIONER, UM, KEVIN COOK, UH, COMMISSIONER REMAN RUBIO, AND THEN COMMISSIONER HARMONY GROGAN.
I MOVE TO APPOINT THOSE MEMBERS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
IS THERE A SECOND? ALRIGHT, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND.
CAN, CAN WE ADD A NOTE THAT FOR THREE MONTHS FOR YEAH.
THAT MY OF COURSE POSITION IS THREE MONTHS ROTATING.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION? YES.
ALL RIGHT, THAT IS THE MOTION.
UH, MS. ALLEN OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER WITT FEATHERSTON, UM, COMMISSIONER KEVIN COOK.
AND THEN WHO WAS THE LAST ONE? COMMISSIONER LAROCHE.
WE LITERALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
GRANTS AND UH, AND THEN GRANTS IN COMMUNICATION.
I HAVE COMMISSIONER ROXANNE EVANS, COMMISSIONER HAMEY ALVAREZ, AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER TREY MCW.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE GRANTS COMMITTEE.
ALRIGHT, WAS THAT UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIO AND COMMISSIONER COOK, OR IS IT HORTER? QUARTER HORTER AND COOK.
AND THEN FINALLY THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE.
FOR THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE, I HAVE UM, COMMISSIONER RAYMOND CASTILLO, COMMISSIONER TARA DUDLEY, AND THEN COMMISSIONER HARMONY GROGAN.
I MOVE TO APPOINT THOSE MEMBERS TO THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE.
IN A SECOND AND A SECOND BY, UH, MCC CORNER.
COMMISSIONERS, THAT IS COMPLETING OUR AGENDA, I BELIEVE, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING FROM STAFF, I CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MEETING AND AT YOUR COMMITTEES.
FOR THE NEXT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE WILL, SINCE THE ROOM IS ALREADY BOOKED, WE WILL BE DOING WEDNESDAY, UM, AUGUST NINE, WHAT'S TWO PLUS SEVEN NINTH, UH, AT THREE 30 AND IT'LL BE AT THE, UH, PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER, THE SAME ROOM THAT THE TRAINING WAS IN.
I WILL EMAIL ALL OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY WITH YOUR COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS.
YEAH, I SAY YOU AIN'T PRETTY ALL I'M SAYING ANY PERSON AND.