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[CALL TO ORDER]
BUILDING AND STANDARD COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER FOR AUGUST 23RD, 2023.LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE TIME IS NOW 6:39 PM MY NAME IS SHADAY.
I AM A, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL CALL, ROLL AND ASK FOR THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT TONIGHT TO PLEASE SIGNIFY THAT YOU ARE HERE.
AND A QUICK REMINDER TO OUR COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE REMOTING IN, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AND KEEP IT ON SO AS TO MAINTAIN QUORUM.
AND COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL HERE.
UH, WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER HERE WITH US AS WELL.
UM, IF YOU WANNA JUST SAY A FEW WORDS.
PLEASURE TO MEET ALL OF Y'ALL THAT I HAVEN'T YET MET.
THOSE WHO I HAVEN'T COME SAY HI TO ME WHEN WE'RE DONE.
OH, UM, I THINK HE'S ON HIS WAY HERE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE FIRE MARSHALL, UM, DALE HERE WITH US TODAY.
[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL ]
ARE CALLED, THE COMMISSION WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMUNICATION AND ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOTTED THREE MINUTES OR SIX MINUTES FOR ANYONE REQUIRING INTERPRETATION SERVICES.
TONIGHT, THE COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT A HEARING FOR FOUR CASES ON THE POSTED AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER FOUR CASES FROM FOUR UH, PROPERTIES.
THE CASES WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY APPEAR ON THE AGENDA.
HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION MAY TAKE A CASE OUT OF ORDER IF IT'S APPROPRIATE.
ALL ATTENDEES AT THIS HEARING ARE REQUIRED TO OBSERVE APPROPRIATE DECORUM AND CIVILITY SO AS NOT TO IMPAIR THE COMMISSIONER'S, UH, UM, ABILITY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS CODE REVIEW.
ANALYST JAMES BERWIN WILL CALL EACH CASE ON THE AGENDA, FOLLOWED BY TESTIMONY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
STAFF WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WHEN YOUR CASE IS CALLED THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY MUST COME FORWARD AND TAKE A SEAT NEAR THE PODIUM.
OR IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
THE CITY WILL PRESENT ITS EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES FIRST, YOU OR YOUR REPRESENTATIVES MAY THEN ASK THE WITNESSES QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR TESTIMONY.
AFTER THE CITY HAS PRESENTED ITS EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT YOUR OWN WITNESSES AND EVIDENCE.
YOU'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE WHEN THE TIMER INDICATES THAT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.
YOU MUST FINISH YOUR SENTENCE AND CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION.
WE'LL, A DESIGNATED TIMEKEEPER FOR THIS EVENING.
I WAS TRYING TO CONNECT WITH, UM, IS MY BATTERY JUST LETTING HIM KNOW THAT BATTERY BATTERY IS REALLY LOW AND IT W OKAY.
WE CAN HEAR YOU A BATTERY ON MY PHONE.
YES, YOU CAN MUTE FROM, YOU CAN HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
WELL, IT, THE PHONE WENT OFF A MONTH AGO WHEN I CALLED 'CAUSE YOU HAD ME ON THERE 29 MINUTES.
AND THE PHONE JUST, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BATTERY FOR THAT.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO MUTE FOR RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET TO YOUR CASE? IT'LL, ARE YOU, AM I THE FIRST CASE? I THINK I AM.
WE'LL COME AROUND TO YOU IN A FEW MINUTES.
AFTER YOU AND THE CITY HAVE PRESENTED EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES, THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF EITHER SIDE.
AFTER THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ASK QUESTIONS, I'LL ALLOW OTHER INTERESTED PERSONS WHO ARE PRESENT TO OFFER RELEVANT TESTIMONY ABOUT THE CASE.
BOTH SIDES AND THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES.
AFTER ALL THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY IS CONCLUDED, THE
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COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE CASE AND VOTE ON A DECISION.THE COMMISSION'S DECISION WILL BE ANNOUNCED TONIGHT, AND A COPY OF THE DECISION WILL BE MAILED TO YOU.
A DECISION OF THE COMMISSION IS FINAL AND BINDING UNLESS APPEAL TO DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS AS PROVIDED IN THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
NOW, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WITNESSES TESTIFY UNDER OATH.
ANY PERSON THAT WANTS TO PRESENT TESTIMONY BEFORE THE COMMISSION, IN ANY CASE, INCLUDING THOSE REMOTING IN, PLEASE STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND SO THAT YOU MAY BE SWORN IN.
DO EACH OF YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL PROVIDE THIS EVENING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? IF SO, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I DO.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL PROCEED TO CONSIDER THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
BE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MIN MEETING.HAVE WE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONERS? YES, I HAVEN'T.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM JULY 26? 2023.
IS EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? THANK YOU.
DO I NEED TO TAKE THE VOTE? I DON'T THINK SO.
THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
MAY I BEGIN CALLING THE CASES ON THE AGENDA? UH, YES.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMUNICATION TODAY, RIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE CASE NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA.
CAN WE GO OUT OF ORDER AND, UH, SKIP TO CASE NUMBER THREE ON OR ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA? UM, SURE, WE COULD DO THAT.
[3. Case Number: CL 2023-087171 Property address: 5606 S Congress Avenue/ Johnny Ray McNabb Staff presenter: Johnny Serna Staff recommendation: Repair single family residential structure]
AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER CL 2023 DASH 0 8 7 1 71 AND IS REGARDING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED LOCATED AT 5 6 0 6 SOUTH CONGRESS AVENUE.THIS CASE WAS ON THE JULY 20, 23 REGULAR MEETING AGENDA, BUT WAS NOT HEARD DUE TO LOSS OF QUORUM.
THE EXHIBITS CAN BE FOUND IN THE GRAY BOOKS IN YOUR READERS AND GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER.
HERE'S SOME FACTS ABOUT THE CASE.
THIS CASE IS ABOUT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS OCCUPIED AND IS A HOMESTEAD.
THE CASE WAS OPENED IN AUGUST, 2018 AT THE INITIATIVE OF AN INSPECTOR.
THERE ARE NO ACTIVE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE PROPERTY.
CONDITIONS ARE CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD AND REQUIRE REPAIR.
IN YOUR GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER OR READER, YOU'LL FIND THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH CONTAINS THE COMPLAINT AND CASE HISTORY.
A COPY OF THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS THAT VERIFIES OWNERSHIP, A STRUCTURE MAP OF THE PROPERTY, THE NOTICES OF VIOLATION, NOTICES OF HEARING FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, A PROOF OF MAILING FOR EACH NOTICE, AND THE REQUIRED POSTING.
AND EXHIBIT TWO, WHICH CONSISTS OF PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO I AND THE RECOMMENDED ORDER CODE INVESTIGATOR JOHNNY SERNA IS HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE PHOTOS AND DISCUSS THE VIOLATIONS AS DEPICTED.
INVESTIGATOR SERNA, PLEASE BEGIN YOUR TESTIMONY.
MY NAME IS JOHNNY SERNA AND I'M A CITY OF AUSTIN CODE INVESTIGATOR.
THE CASE I AM PRESENTING BEFORE YOU WILL BE FOR 56 0 6 SOUTH CONGRESS OF AN EXTERIOR INSPECTION.
AND THE FACTS OF THE CASE ARE AS FOLLOWS.
THIS PROPERTY WAS REPORTED IN AUGUST 10TH, 2020 18 AND MAY 5TH, 2022.
I WAS REASSIGNED THIS PROPERTY AND UPON MY INSPECTIONS OF THIS PROPERTY AND ITS CASE, I FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY HAS MULTIPLE EXTERIOR I P M C VIOLATIONS ON APRIL 12TH OF, UH, THIS PRESENT YEAR.
I POSTED THIS PROPERTY WITH THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION SINCE MAY 5TH, 2022
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WHEN THE CASE WAS ASSIGNED TO ME THROUGH AUGUST 8TH OF THIS YEAR.I'VE CONTINUED TO MAKE MULTIPLE INSPECTIONS OF THIS PROPERTY AND HAD FOUND THAT SOME DEFICIENCIES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT MANY REMAIN OVER THE FA OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
SINCE 2018, MULTIPLE INSPECTORS HAVE MADE CONTACT WITH THE OWNER AND GIVING THE OWNER TIME AFTER TIME, UH, TO REPAIR, ALONG WITH CONNECTING HIM WITH, UH, POSSIBLE AVAILABLE RESOURCES.
THE FOLLOWING PHOTOGRAPHS I WILL BE PRESENTING AS EVIDENCE ARE REPRESENTATION OF THE MANY DEFICIENCIES FOUND THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY AND ITS BUILDING OR SLIDE PLEASE.
EXHIBIT TWO A IS A CONTEXTUAL PHOTOGRAPH OF 56 0 6 SOUTH CONGRESS.
RIGHT OFF THE START, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING IS NOT WEATHERPROOF AND BEEN HAS BEEN LIKE THAT, UH, FOR AT MINIMUM THE FIVE YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THIS CASE OPEN.
IT'S NOT SURFACE COATED TO PREVENT ANY TYPE OF DETERIORATION IN THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING.
EXHIBIT TWO B IS A ANOTHER CONTEXTUAL PHOTOGRAPH ON THE LEFT SIDE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IF YOU CAN LOOK, UH, RIGHT TO THE TRASH CANS, UM, YOU'LL SEE RIGHT NEXT TO THE WINDOW.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT PART OF THE ROOFING SYSTEM AT THE FRONT IS BEING PROPPED UP BY A TIMBER RESTING THE TOP A ROCK.
EXHIBIT TWO C IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, MISSING SIDING, NOT WEATHERPROOFED, UH, OR SURFACE COATED TO PREVENT DETERIORATION ALONG WITH A BROKEN WINDOW ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
NEXT SLIDE TWO D IS A, UH, DIFFERENT ANGLE OF THAT, UH, SAME BROKEN WINDOW.
UH, SO TWO EXHIBITS, TWO D AND E ARE PHOTOGRAPHIC EXAMPLES OF THE MULTIPLE BROKEN WINDOWS, NOT JUST THIS ONE ON THE PROPERTY ALONG WITH MISSING TRIM, DAMAGED SIDING, AND MORE DETERIORATING WOOD.
SLIDE EXHIBITS TWO F AND TWO G ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF AGAIN, UH, SLIDE UH, TWO E WAS, UM, PICTURE.
THERE WE GO OF, UH, A WINDOW THAT'S WAS REMOVED AND JUST BOARDED UP ALONG WITH MORE MISSING SIDING TRIM.
A MISSING ANTIS SIPHON VALVE THAT'S REQUIRED TO KEEP, UH, THE CITY WATER SUPPLY FROM BEING CROSS-CONTAMINATED BY BACKFLOW.
UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE, UM, WOOD STARTING TO PEEL BACK AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
UM, AND EXAM IN, UM, EXHIBITS TWO F AND G ARE PHOTOGRAPHIC EXAMPLES AGAIN WHERE YOU CAN SEE HERE IN EXHIBIT TWO G.
UH, MORE EXAMPLES OF MISSING SIDING, UH, EXPOSED, UH, O S B BOARD TO THE ELEMENTS FOR A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS AS LONG AS THIS CASE HAS BEEN OPEN, ALONG WITH A, A LARGE, UH, HOLE IN THE ATTIC SYSTEM WHERE A MISSING VENT IS, UM, WHERE A MISSING VENT.
NEXT SLIDE, EXHIBITS TWO H AND I ARE GONNA BE PHOTOGRAPHS OF MORE BROKEN WINDOWS ALONG WITH MISSING TRIM SIDING ALONG WITH EXTREMELY, UH, DETERIORATED SOFFIT AND ROOFING COMPONENTS AS SEEN IN EXHIBIT TWO I.
NEXT SLIDE RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE FOUND ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS WILL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION AND STRONGLY URGE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO ADOPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDED ORDER.
BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THOSE DESCRIBED IN THE FINDINGS OF FACT, THE CODE OFFICIAL FOUND THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS A PUBLIC AND AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE WITH SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS.
STAFF ASKS THE COMMISSION TO ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH INCLUDES STAFF'S PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND OTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO.
I STAFF ALSO REQUESTS THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER THAT THE OWNER COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING.
ONE, OBTAIN AND FINALIZE ALL NECESSARY PERMITS.
TWO, REPAIR ALL SIDED VIOLATIONS TO THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE WITHIN 45 DAYS FROM THE DATE THE ORDER IS MAILED.
THREE REQUEST INSPECTIONS FROM CITY OF AUSTIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE AND FOUR ON THE 46TH DAY, IF COMPLIANCE HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED, ASSESS A CIVIL PENALTY OF $350 PER WEEK THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ACCRUE UNTIL THE CODE OFFICIAL
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DETERMINES THAT THE REPAIRS REQUIRED BY THIS ORDER ARE COMPLETE INTEREST SHALL ACCRUE AT A RATE OF 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT UNTIL PAID IN FULL.AND WITH THAT, THE CITY CONCLUDES ITS PRESENTATION.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE AS WELL AS PHOTOGRAPHS, MARK'S, EXHIBITS AS EXHIBIT TWO A THROUGH TWO I.
UM, AND BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SIG IS HERE WITH US.
SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING TODAY,
UM, BEFORE WE REVIEW THIS CASE, I WANNA CHECK TO SEE IF THE OWNERS ARE HERE.
THEY JUST HAVEN'T UNMUTED THEMSELVES YET.
UM, WELL, IF ANYONE'S HERE FOR THIS PROPERTY, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO UNMUTE YOUR PHONE SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR VERSION OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
MR. MCNABB AND MR. WESS, CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF? HELLO, CHAIR.
THEY HAVE THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? OKAY.
LEMME TRY, LEMME TRY AGAIN IN, IS ANYBODY HERE ON THE PHONE FOR THE PROPERTY AT FIFTY SIX OH SIX SOUTH CONGRESS AVENUE? IF SO, MAKE SURE TO UNMUTE YOUR PHONE PLEASE.
I THINK IT WAS POUND SIX TO UNMUTE.
WE HAVE, UH, OH, HI, JOHNNY ON THE LINE? YEAH, UP NOW.
UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR MIC IS NOT COVERED OR BEING TOUCHED BY ANYTHING, BUT OTHERWISE WE CAN HEAR YOU.
UH, ARE YOU TALKING TO ME OR MR. WILLIAMS? NO, NO, NO.
YOU GO FIRST SINCE YOU ARE THE OWNER.
MR. WILLIAMS IS WITH THE HOUSING AND COMMISSION, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S MR. SUPPOSED TO SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF.
IS MR. WILLIAMS HERE TO SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF? OKAY.
ANY ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO AND GO FIRST, BUT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT JOHNNY SERNA HAS NOT SEEN WHAT'S BEEN DONE TO THIS HOUSE AND HOW LONG IT HAS TAKEN ME TO GET IT.
I AM STILL WITH URBAN LEAGUE AND CERNA SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HE CAME BY HERE AND THE ROOF WAS NOT FIXED.
UH, THIS ROOF WAS PUT ON IN 2017, AND THERE IS A FACER BOARD THAT THE ROOFERS STEPPED ON AND KNOCKED IT DOWN.
YES, I'M TRYING TO GET UP BECAUSE I'M DISABLED HANDICAP AND I CAN'T JUMP UP THE WAY I USED
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TO BECAUSE IF I DID, THIS HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE A NEW ONE.BUT GETTING BACK TO THE ROOF, THE ROOF HAS BEEN DONE.
THEY CAME BACK OUT AND STALLED THREE DOORS.
THE FRAMING OFF THAT WAS DONE ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
IF THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE THING, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL MATTER, I HAVE FELT LIKE THAT AUSTIN CODE HAS, HAS BEEN ING ME BECAUSE I DRIVE AROUND WHEN I GO TO THE DOCTOR AND THERE'S HOUSES THAT LOOKS WORSE THAN THIS ONE.
I DON'T THINK THIS ONE LOOKS BAD.
AND FOR THE BROKEN WINDOWS, ANY MAN KNOWS THAT WHEN YOU GET A DIVORCE, YOUR WIFE IS GOING TO BE VERY VICIOUS.
SHE KNOCKED THOSE WINDOWS OUT.
BACK IN THE EARLY NINETIES, NOBODY CALLED ME AND TOLD ME ANYTHING.
WHEN SHE KICKED ME OUT, I HAD TO SLEEP UNDER A BRIDGE OVER ON WILLIAM CANNON, AND I COULDN'T COME BY THE HOUSE TO CHECK ON IT.
AND THEN WHEN I DID, A POLICE OFFICER DROVE BY THE HOUSE AND HE SAID, ARE YOU LIVING THERE? AND I TOLD HIM NO.
I'M STUCK BECAUSE I GET A MEASLY DISABILITY CHECK.
AND, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TOLD THAT I HAVE TO HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT.
I DON'T HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA PAY A BANK TO HELP ME TAKE CARE OF MY MONEY.
WHEN I GET NINE $33 A MONTH, I PAY THE USUAL BILLS, TRY TO BUY A LITTLE FOOD, AND I'M BROKE.
I'M RIGHT BACK WHERE I WAS, WHERE I STARTED FROM.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS HOUSE BACK UP TO STANDARDS.
GOTTA REALIZE THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1936.
WHAT HAS BEEN PERFECT UNTIL, UNTIL WHAT? WHAT HAPPENED? YES.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BROKEN WINDOWS.
UM, I WAS LAYING IN BED AND HEARD A WINDOW SHATTER, AND MY GOT UP, LOOKED OUT THE WINDOW, AND THERE'S THREE KIDS STANDING OUT HERE ON THE SIDEWALK, AND THEY WERE USING MY WINDOWS AS TARGETS.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO JUMP UP.
I HAVE PUT APPLICATIONS IN WITH HABITAT, UH, URBAN LEAGUES, YOU NAME IT.
I'M THE ONLY PERSON OR COMPANY THAT HAS STEPPED UP TO HELP ME.
ALL RIGHT, MR. MCNABB, UM, YOUR TIME IS ACTUALLY UP, BUT THANKS FOR GIVING US THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UM, I'M GOING TO LET MR. WILLIAMS FROM URBAN LEAGUE, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO HELP WITH MR. WILLIAMS. GOOD EVENING COMM.
UM, MY NAME IS JAMES WILLIAMS. I'M THE, UH, COMMUNICATION AND THE, THE HOUSING COMMUNICATION AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE URBAN LEAGUE.
UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN HELPING MR. MCNABB, UH, UH, MAYBE A YEAR AGO, I DID REPLACE HIS, UH, EXTERIOR DOORS, UH, WITH MY MINOR HOME REPAIR THAT WAS ONLY $5,000.
UH, NOW MY, UH, I'M LOOKING TO HELP HIM WITH MY GOLD BOND PROGRAM, WHICH IS $20,000, BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT PROGRAM IS OUT OF FUNDS UNTIL AFTER THE 1ST OF OCTOBER.
UH, PROVIDING I CAN GET, I KNOW HE JUST, I KNOW MR. MCNABB MENTIONED ABOUT
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HE CAN'T GET ANY BANK STATEMENTS, BUT IN ORDER FOR ME TO PROVIDE SERVICE FOR HIM, I'M TRYING TO, FOR HIM TO HELP ME HELP HIM.IF HE CAN GET THOSE BANK STATEMENTS AFTER ONE OCTOBER, THEN I CAN, THEN HE'S, THEN HE'S, HE'S GOOD TO GO TO GET THE HOME REPAIR, THE SIDING, UH, THE ROOF OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER ELSE THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
BUT, UH, FOR THAT CASE, I ONLY HAVE $20,000 ONCE THAT PROGRAM GETS FUNDS.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I'M TRYING TO HELP MR. MCNABB, BUT IN ORDER FOR HIM TO HELP ME, I NEED HIM TO SOME WAY, SOMEHOW GET THOSE BANK STATEMENTS.
THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME OUT TONIGHT.
AND, UM, WE'LL LET THE COMMISSIONERS J JUST PLEASE BE ON STANDBY, AND THEN THE COMMISSIONERS MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR EITHER MR. MCNABB OR MR. WILLIAMS. DO YOU, HAVE YOU HAD A CONTRACTOR GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE FOR THOSE REPAIRS? YOU SAID YOU, YOU MAY HAVE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT $20,000 AFTER OCTOBER 1ST.
DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE FROM A CONTRACTOR AS TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S ORDERS? UH, I HAVE NOT, UH, SENT A CONTRACT OUT THERE TO GET AN ESTIMATE, BUT I CAN SEND ONE OUT, UH, UH, MAYBE ONE DAY NEXT WEEK I CAN GET 'EM TO GO OUT THERE AND GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN SEE HOW MUCH WE NEED TO SPEND.
NOW, IF MR. MCNABB WAS A VETERAN, THEN I COULD ADD ANOTHER 10 ON THAT.
UH, BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S A VETERAN, SO, UM, SO I COULD ONLY MAX IT OUT TO 20.
YEAH, IT, THAT INFORMATION WOULD'VE BEEN, WOULD'VE BEEN USEFUL TO HAVE TODAY TO KNOW THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO DO, DO YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. WILLIAMS IS SAYING, UM, OF THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A BANK ACCOUNT AND TWO BANK STATEMENTS BY OCTOBER? WELL, SEE, THE THING IS, WHEN I GOT MY DISABILITY BACK IN 90, I ASKED FOR A BANK ACCOUNT AND THEY SAID, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ENOUGH TO PUT IT IN THE BANK.
I HAVE A DEBIT CARD AT THE END OF EVERY MONTH, ONE OF THE FIRST AND THE THIRD.
I LEAVE JUST ENOUGH FOR THE BANK TO TAKE THEIR FEE OUT SO I CAN USE THEIR ATM.
MR. WILLIAMS CAN GO BACK, GO BACK THERE.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, URBAN LEAGUE HAS BEEN HELPING ME EVER SINCE.
UM, I THINK THE QUESTION, WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS WHY YOU WOULDN'T DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO GET DOCUMENTS NEEDED FOR THIS TIME AROUND, WHICH LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR $20,000 WORTH OF REPAIRS.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS TO WHY YOU WOULDN'T TRY AGAIN TO GET A BANK ACCOUNT THAT SATISFIES WHATEVER URBAN LEAGUE NEEDS.
I WOULD REALLY URGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT.
I GET LIKE I, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THAT, THEN WE CAN FACTOR IN THE 20 THOU, $20,000 MIGHT BE COMING IN FOR YOU BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT AS LONG AS WE GET THE DOCUMENT WE NEED.
UM, JILL, CAN I, MAY I ADD ONE THING? SURE, GO AHEAD.
WHEN I STARTED CALLING ALL OF THESE PLACES,
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URBAN LEAGUE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO COME OUT HERE.UH, STEVEN CAME OUT, NEVER ASKED ME FOR A BANK ACCOUNT OR A BANK BECAUSE I GET MY CHECKS OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT WHEN I STARTED TRYING TO GET MY ROOF FIXED.
THAT WAS WAY BACK, I'M GOING TO SAY IN THE LATE, VERY LATE OF 99.
NEVER ASKED FOR A BANK ACCOUNT.
UH, I THINK WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO BACK TO 1999 NOW 'CAUSE WE'RE IN 2023.
SO POSSIBLY THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE CHANGED AND I WOULD AGAIN, URGE YOU TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOU DO THE REPAIRS.
UM, DO I HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS? OH, COMMISSIONER FRANCIS, GO AHEAD.
MY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILLIAMS. MS. WILLIAMS, YOU THERE? YES, SIR.
I'M, HELP ME ROUGH OUT A TIMELINE HERE.
IF MR. MCNABB WERE PRODUCE BANK STATEMENTS, WHEN DO YOU NEED TO HAVE THOSE TO EXECUTE THIS $20,000 CONTRACT? BY THE 1ST OF OCTOBER.
SO ONCE YOU, LET'S SAY HE DELIVERS THOSE CON THOSE BANK STATEMENTS TO YOU, GIVES YOU WHAT YOU NEED.
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO IMPLEMENT TO GET THAT 20 GRAND AND IMPLEMENT THE REPAIRS? ONCE I GET THE, UH, ESTIMATE THE APPROVAL BACK FROM THE CITY? UH, PROBABLY A WEEK OR SO.
BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. MCNABB WAS SAYING.
THE, THE REASON STEVEN IS NO LONGER WITH THE URBAN LEAGUE, 'CAUSE STEVEN WENT OUT THERE AND DIDN'T DO WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
THAT'S WHY HE'S NO LONGER WITH THE HERBA LEAGUE.
UH, UH, ONE OF MY OTHER CASE MANAGERS, MAURICE MCCONEY, TRIED TO HELP MR. MC, UH, MR. MCNABB SOMEHOW, SOME WAY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO I'M THE ONE THAT WENT OUT THERE AND HAD THE, UH, EXTERIOR DOORS REPLACED.
BUT THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. ONE PROGRAM, WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID, MY MINOR HOME REPAIR, THAT'S ONLY FIVE K.
THE OTHER IS 20 K THAT DO REQUIRE BANK STATEMENTS, PROOF OF INCOME, UM, UH, CURRENT UTILITY BILLS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
SO HYPOTHETICALLY, PART OF EVERYONE IN, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF HE PRODUCED EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED BY THE 1ST OF OCTOBER AROUND OCTOBER 15TH, HE WOULD BE READY TO ENGAGE CONTRACTORS? YES, SIR.
I MEAN, I HAVE PICTURE ID SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS OF, I THINK HIS, HIS, HIS GIRL.
I, I'M MISSING A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, BUT WHAT I HAVE, ALL I NEED IS THE BANK STATEMENT TO GET EVERYTHING GOING.
LIKE I SAID, I'M TRYING TO HELP MR. MCNA TO HELP ME.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WILL ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC? I MOVE.
WE CLOSE THE DISCUSSION AND CALL FOR VOTE.
WHAT'S THAT? COMMISSIONER FRANCIS SECOND TO CLOSE THEM.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO OBJECTS OH, AFTER THE HEARING, SO CAN ASK QUESTION OF BEING
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING.
THANK YOU, MR. MCNABB AND MR. WILLIAMS. UM, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL NOW DISCUSS THE CASE.
UM, YOU MAY STAY ON TO HEAR THE DECISION, AND THEN THE DECISION WILL BE MAILED TO YOUR HOUSE AS WELL.
I HAVE ONE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
THERE WAS THREE PEOPLE SAYING VOTED THAT THEY WOULD CLOSE THIS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, UM, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? YES.
THERE WERE SEVERAL THERE THAT VOTED THAT THIS MY PROPERTY AND HOUSE BE CLOSED.
UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT JUST TOOK PLACE TWO MINUTES AGO?
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YES.THE, WE'RE NOT NOBODY VOTED TO CLOSE ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR CASE.
WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE DONE WITH ASKING QUESTIONS TO YOU AND MR. WILLIAMS. NOW THE COMMISSIONERS WILL SPEAK AMONGST THEMSELVES.
CAN I HAVE ONE QUICK THING AND THEN I'M GONNA HANG UP.
ACTUALLY, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO ADD AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S WHY WE GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL US YOUR SIDE.
WELL, THIS IS A, THIS IS A, A DIFFERENT, UH, PARTY.
OH, WHO IS THE PARTY TALKING? WHO AM I SPEAKING WITH? SPEAKING WITH? OH, NEVERMIND.
UM, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE YET.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 56 0 6 0 6 CONGRESS.
SO EVERYBODY ELSE PLEASE STAND BY.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR, UM, INSPECTOR, UH, SERNA.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
I GUESS, UM, THE ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO GET A BIT MORE CLARITY ON IS CAN YOU, 'CAUSE YOU WERE THERE IN PERSON, I SEE A FEW THINGS THAT GIMME SOME CONCERN, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT A MORE SPECIFIC AROUND FIRE RISK OR ANY OTHER SAFETY CONCERNS, PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE PROPERTY THAT LOOKS BAD OR HAS BROKEN WINDOWS, BUT ALSO HOW IT MIGHT AFFECT THE SAFETY AND, UH, WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS RUNNING AREA? UM, SURE.
WE'VE HAD THIS CASE FOR A MINIMUM OF ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
UH, I'VE PERSONALLY, THE LAST TIME WAS THERE ON AUGUST 10TH.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE SEEN SOME REPAIRS THAT WERE MADE, UM, SUCH AS THE DOORS ALSO, UH, A NEW WATER HEATER WAS INSTALLED.
UM, BUT, UM, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE, UH, HOLES IN THE SIDING THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTING THE STRUCTURE WALLS OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE'VE HAD IT FOR A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS.
LIKE I SAID, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THAT STRUCTURE'S BEEN IN THAT CONDITION.
UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE INTERIOR, THE OF THE IN INSTRUCT OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, ITS INTERIOR WALL SIDING, EVERYTHING OUT.
UM, THE SHEET ROCK DRYWALL INSIDE ARE BEING EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS CONTINUOUSLY.
SO COULD, YOU KNOW, BE ANYBODY'S GUESS, YOU KNOW, IF THE BUILDING, UM, WILL CONTINUE TO DRY ROT OR ROT OR, YOU KNOW, FALL APART.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AVOID THAT SITUATION, GET THE, UH, DEFICIENCIES REMEDIED SO THAT, UH, UM, IT, UH, MEETS MINIMUM SAFETY STANDARDS.
AND, AND, AND BASED ON YOUR INVESTIGATIONS, AT WHAT STAGE OF THE ROTTING PROCESS WERE YOU ABLE TO GET A SENSE ABOUT WHAT THE, HOW, HOW LATE STAGE AS IT WERE? DID THE INTERNAL STRUCTURES WERE ROTTING WISE? UM, WE'VE NEVER, I'VE BEEN TO THE PROPERTY MYSELF.
UM, I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. MCNABB, I THINK, UH, MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE ON THE PHONE WITHIN THE, SINCE 2022 WHEN THE PROPERTY GOT TRANSFERRED, THE, THE CASE GOT TRANSFERRED TO MYSELF.
I DID SPEAK WITH, UH, UM, UM, A WOMAN THERE THAT SPOKE FOR MR. MCNABB AT THE TIME THAT I SHOWED UP.
YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET AHOLD OF MR. MCNA AND MR. MCNABB AND TRY TO WORK WITH HIM.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE STATED THAT, THAT HE WAS, WASN'T FEELING WELL AND DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK TO ANYBODY, SO WE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO INSIDE TO LOOK.
UH, BUT BASED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT, UH, MIGHT HAVE SOME DEFINITE ISSUES WITHIN, WITHIN, INSIDE THE, THE STRUCTURE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, WE WILL, UM, GO AHEAD AND CALL THE VOTE.
BUT MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, UM, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL CONSIDER IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME ACTIVITY GOING ON IN TERMS OF GETTING FUNDING FOR THE, SOME OF THE OTHER REPAIRS NEEDED.
AND SO FAR MR. MCNABB HAS BEEN ABLE TO SOMEWHAT MAKE SOME OF THE REPAIRS SINCE 2018.
UM, AND I LOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S ON FIXED INCOME AS WELL.
UM, I WOULD PROBABLY LEAN MORE TOWARDS DOING A LONGER TIMEFRAME BEFORE THE ORDER KICKS IN TO ALLOW TIME FOR URBAN LEAGUE TO GET THE FUNDS TO MR. MCNA.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M LEANING TOWARDS, BUT, UM,
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I CAN CALL THE VOTES.COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, GO AHEAD.
UH, I'D ALSO JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT IN REGARDS TO THE ISSUE OF MR. MCNABB'S FIXED INCOME, UM, WE ARE THE, THE, THE CURRENT RECOMMENDED ORDER WOULD IMPOSE A PENALTY OF $350 A WEEK.
UM, I MIGHT SAY THAT WE SHOULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE THAT IN LIGHT OF HIS FIXED INCOME.
I BELIEVE 300, 350 A WEEK IS ABOVE WHAT A D A PAYS FOR STANDARD DISABILITY.
THREE, LIKE I SAID, THREE 50 A WEEK WOULD BE AROUND 1100, 1200 A MONTH.
I BELIEVE THAT IS ABOVE THE TOTAL ANCHOR.
UM, LET ME GO AHEAD AND CALL YOU FIRST BEFORE YOU SPEAK, BECAUSE COUNCIL IS GONNA KILL ME.
UM, SO COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, DID YOU FINISH YOUR THOUGHT ALREADY? UH, YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, BUT I, I ALSO CERTAINLY AGREE ABOUT, UM, EXTENDING THE DEADLINE HERE.
AND COMMISSIONER SLUGO, PLEASE REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID.
YES, APOLOGIES TO CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
UM, UH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST 350 A WEEK, I BELIEVE WOULD BE LIKE 120, 110, 110% OF, UH, THEIR TOTAL FIXED INCOME SALARY FROM, UM, DISABILITIES, UH, FROM THE GOVERNMENT, THOUGH I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON SUCH MATTERS, SO IF ANYONE ELSE KNOWS THE EXACT AMOUNT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO RECALL MR. MCNABB SAYING THAT HE GETS $943 A MONTH TOTAL, IF THAT HELPS.
YES, ROBERT MOORE, DIVISION MANAGER, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
JUST TO PUT A LITTLE CONTEXT ON THE, THE FINE AMOUNT, $350, UM, IF HE IS INDEED ABLE TO GET THAT $20,000 THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PROVISION WHERE WE OFFSET THE AMOUNT OF REPAIRS.
SO 20,000 IS BASICALLY GONNA BUY HIM 57 WEEKS BEFORE HE REALLY STARTS TO ACCRUE ANYTHING YOU'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY PAY.
SO, AND THEN IF YOU GAVE HIM ANOTHER 45 DAYS, UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOUR, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX MORE WEEKS, SO YOU'RE IN THE 60 WEEK RANGE OVER A YEAR BEFORE HE'S REALLY GONNA TAKE ON ANY MONETARY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES.
DID EVERYBODY CATCH THAT? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE VOTE AND I THINK IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO JUST, I DON'T SHARE.
OH, COMMISSIONER TOAD, GO AHEAD.
I JUST, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION PENDING.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, REMINDING ME.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO ENTER, I MEAN, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY MOTION.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO TAKE A STAB AT IT? MAD CHAIR.
I'LL TAKE A STAB AT THE, OKAY.
COMMISSIONER OFFENSIVE, MOVE TO A SAY ONE THING.
STEPS, UH, RECOMMENDED ORDER WITH THE MODIFYING, MODIFYING SECTION TWO TO 90 DAYS.
I THINKING THERE, AND IT'S, YOU'VE HEARD THAT TIMELINE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT COULD ALL GET, THOSE WHEELS COULD MOVE INTO MOTION WITHIN THAT
AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION OF AVITA FOUR, CHANGE THAT TO TWO 50 WEEK.
I ACTUALLY JUST STAY ON THE 91ST DAY
91ST DAY ON THE FOURTH IS WELCOME CAST.
UM, CAN WE HAVE THE COMMISSIONER RESTATE, UH, THE MOTION, THE WHOLE THING FOR COMMISSIONER FRANCIS TO, UH, ADOPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED ORDER WITH, WITH THE CHANGES TO ITEM TWO FROM 45 DAYS TO 90 DAYS CHANGES TO ITEM FOUR ON THE 91ST DAY, COMPLIANCE HAS NOW BEEN ACHIEVED, ASSESS A SIMILAR PENALTY OF TWO 50 FOR RULING.
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE, THE MOTION? I SECOND IN? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER
SO NOW WE CAN, UNLESS WE WANT FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL GO AROUND AND ASK HOW YOU VOTE.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, I VOTE.
COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, I VOTE.
COMMISSIONER OLUGO, I IN FAVOR? UH, I'M IN FAVOR,
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COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR IN FAVOR.OKAY, SO WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THAT ONE, SO THANK YOU EVERYONE.
MR. MCNABB, IF YOU'RE STILL ON THE PHONE, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST TOOK PLACE, BUT YOU'LL GET A COPY OF THE ORDER IN THE MAIL.
COULD I HAVE ONE THING THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP? JAMES WILLIAMS DITCH PAPERWORK FOR MY DISABILITY, TELLING HIM HOW MUCH I GET THAT THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP.
MR. MCNABB, YOUR CASE IS ALREADY CLOSED.
UM, THE COMMISSIONERS ALREADY GAVE YOU 90 DAYS TO SORT EVERYTHING OUT WITH MR. WILLIAMS. OKAY.
UM, WE CAN NOW, OH, COUNSEL, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT WE USE THE MOTION SHEETS FOR, FOR MOTIONS MADE IN THE FUTURE, JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.
WE'RE STILL FREE TO, TO CARRY ON, BUT I JUST RECOMMEND WE USE THAT SO THAT WE COVER EVERYTHING.
COMMISSIONERS PLEASE USE, UM, THE MOTION SHEET, THE PRINTED ONES, AND THERE ALSO, THERE'S ALSO ONE IN THE, ON THE LAPTOP, ON THE IPAD
OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO AGENDA
[2. Case Number: CL 2023-087183 Property address: 4807 Duval Street / Owner: Lyle Leroy Davis Staff presenter: Alicia Tovar Staff recommendation: Repair single family residential structure]
ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY AT 48 0 7 DUVAL STREET.UM, ARE WE READY FOR THAT ONE? YES.
ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA.
CASE NUMBER C 2023 DASH 0 8 7 1 8 3 IS RETURNING FROM THE JULY, 2023 MEETING AND IS REGARDING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 8 0 7 DUVAL STREET.
THE EXHIBITS CAN BE FOUND IN THE TURQUOISE BOOKS IN YOUR READERS AND GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER.
HERE ARE SOME FACTS ABOUT THE CASE.
THIS CASE IS ABOUT AN UNOCCUPIED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THE CASE WAS OPENED IN DECEMBER, 2022 AS A RESULT OF A COMPLAINT.
THERE ARE NO ACTIVE PERMITS FOR THE PROPERTY.
CONDITIONS ARE CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD AND REQUIRE REPAIR.
IN YOUR GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER OR READER, YOU WILL FIND THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT ONE, EXHIBITS ONE AND TWO A THROUGH TWO K, WHICH WERE PREVIOUSLY ADMITTED, EXHIBIT THREE, WHICH CONTAINS AN UPDATED COMPLAINT AND CASE HISTORY, A COPY OF THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS THAT VERIFIES OWNERSHIP, A STRUCTURE MAP OF THE PROPERTY, THE NOTICES OF VIOLATION, NOTICES OF HEARING FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, A PROOF OF MAILING FOR EACH NOTICE, AND THE REQUIRED POSTINGS.
AND EXHIBIT FOUR, WHICH CONSISTS OF PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR K, AND THE RECOMMENDED ORDER CODE INVESTIGATOR ALICIA TOVAR IS HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE PHOTOS AND DISCUSS THE VIOLATIONS AS DEPICTED.
OKAY, BEFORE YOU START, I WOULD LIKE TO SWEAR YOU IN.
I BELIEVE YOU WERE OUT OF THE ROOM WHEN WE DID THAT.
UM, COULD YOU RAISE, STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE.
DO YOU AFFIRM, UM, THAT TONIGHT AS YOU GIVE YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU'LL GIVE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
I AM A CITY OF BOSTON CODE INVESTIGATOR FOR THE CENTRAL NORTH DIVISION.
THE CASE I PRESENTED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS 48 0 7 DEVAL STREET.
ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2022, I PERFORMED A MINE MISSION INSPECTION.
I LOCATED A VACANT AND SECURED MAIN RESIDENTIAL TRUCTURE WITH A DETACHED GARAGE ON DECEMBER 5TH, 2023.
A NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS SENT VIA CERTIFIED MAIL TO THE TCA PROPERTY OWNER TO ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL AND PROPERTY ABATEMENT VIOLATIONS ON MARCH 13TH, 17TH, 2023.
A FOLLOW-UP INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED AND NO COMPLIANCE HAD BEEN ACHIEVED.
ON JUNE 1ST, 2023 C A RESEARCH DETERMINED A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP ADDRESS.
A NEW NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS GENERATED IN MAIL DOT VIA CERTIFIED MAIL, AS WELL AS POSTED ON SITE ON JUNE 6TH, 2023.
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A FOLLOW-UP INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE FOR HIGH WEEDS AND GRASS VIOLATIONS.ON JUNE 7TH, 2023, A COMPANY WAS PERFORMED TO ABATE THE PROPERTY.
ON JUNE, ON JULY 10TH, 2023, I CREATED A CASE FILE FOR B S C CONSIDERATION.
TONIGHT I WILL BE BE PRESENTING PHOTOGRAPHS EXHIBITS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR K.
THESE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE TRUE AND ACCURATE.
DEPICTION OF THE VIOLATIONS AND CONDITIONS OF TIME AND DATES, THE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN.
PHOTOGRAPH FOUR A IS THE MOST RECENT PHOTOGRAPHS.
IT'S A MAIN STRUCTURE OF A SINGLE STORY.
WOOD FRAME PRESENTED A STRUCTURE ON POST AND BEAM AT THE TIME THE STRUCTURE WAS UNOCCUPIED AND SECURED FROM AN AUTHORIZED ENTRY.
TWO B IS THE PHOTOS TAKEN ON OCTOBER, I'M SORRY, NOVEMBER 7TH, 2022, WHICH DEMONSTRATES THE MAIN STRUCTURE HAS DAMAGE AND MISSING, UH, COMPONENTS SIDE, UM, SIDING AND COMPONENTS, I'M SORRY, DAMAGE AND MISSING COMPONENTS.
PHOTOGRAPH FOUR C IS A SHOT OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
WE DEMONSTRATE SEVERAL MISSING AND DAMAGED TILES AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE THE EXPOSED WOODEN AND SHEATHING AS WELL AS MISSING CROSS SPACE FIT PHOTOGRAPH FOUR D.
IT'S A CLOSE OFF SHOT OF THE RIGHT, RIGHT EGRESS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE WATER BACK SPLASH HAS CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE EXTERIOR SIDING, THEREFORE EXPOSING THE WOOD FRAME TO THE ELEMENTS OF NATURE.
YOU CAN ALSO NOTE THAT THE CONCRETE STEPSS ARE LEANING AND LISTING.
PHOTOGRAPH TWO E IS IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MESS, THERE'S A MISSING CAR, CROSS SPACE VENT, AND HAPHAZARDLY ATTEMPT TO REPAIR THE SKIRTING.
NEXT PHOTOGRAPH IS A, IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE RIGHT SIDE WALL DAMAGE TO THE WINDOW SILLS AS WELL AS MISSING SIDING AND CROSS SPACE VENT COVERINGS.
THE NEXT PHOTO IS THE E, EXCUSE ME, FOUR G.
IT'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE REAR EGRESS.
THE WOODEN PORCH HAS DETERIORATED AND LOST ITS INTEGRITY AND BECOMING SOUND PHOTOGRAPHS FOUR H AND FOUR I FOUR H O FOUR R.
PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SINGLE STORE WOOD FRAME DETACHED GARAGE ON GRADE.
THE STRUCTURE LACKS EXTERIOR PROTECTIVE COATING AS WELL AS THE FENCE, WHICH WAS USED TO, TO PROVIDE UNAUTHORIZED ENTRY IS LEANING AND LISTING IS WATER DAMAGE AND STRU LACKS STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.
PHOTOGRAPH FOUR J FOUR J IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FENCE, WHICH HAS BEEN USED TO, UH, SECURE THE STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THAT, UH, THE WOOD IS BROADENING, TURNING GREEN AS WELL AS LISTING.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THE MAIN WALL ON THE FRONT IS LEANING AS WELL.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE BOEING OF THE UH, BRIDGEPORT PHOTOGRAPH TWO K K IS AN UPDATED PHOTOGRAPH OF RIGHT SIDE OF THE INSTRUCTION TAKEN ON AUGUST 10TH, 2023.
IT'S PLACED TO DEMONSTRATE THE PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.
ON NOVEMBER 8TH, 2022, THE CITY HAD UPDATED THE PROPERTY AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CUT LIST OF PENDING TO REMOVE THE TRASH HIGH WESS AND GRASS AS WELL AS THE DEAD TREE THAT HAS FALLEN DOWN.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THOSE DESCRIBED IN THE FINDINGS OF FACT, THE CODE OFFICIAL FOUND THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS A PUBLIC AND AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE WITH SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS.
STAFF ASKS THE COMMISSION TO ADMIT EXHIBIT THREE, WHICH INCLUDES STAFF'S PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND OTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR K.
STAFF ALSO REQUESTS THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER THAT THE OWNER COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING.
ONE, OBTAIN AND FINALIZE ALL NECESSARY PERMITS.
TWO, PREPARE ALL CITED VIOLATIONS TO THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHIN 45 DAYS FROM THE DATE THE ORDER IS MAILED.
THREE REQUEST INSPECTIONS FROM CITY OF AUSTIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE.
AND FOUR ON THE 46TH DAY, IF COMPLIANCE HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED, ASSESS A CIVIL PENALTY OF $250 PER WEEK THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ACCRUE UNTIL THE CODE OFFICIAL DETERMINES THAT THE REPAIRS REQUIRED BY THIS ORDER ARE COMPLETE INTEREST SHALL ACCRUE AT A RATE OF 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT UNTIL PAID IN FULL.
AND WITH THAT, THE CITY CONCLUDES ITS PRESENTATION.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT EXHIBIT THREE AS WELL AS PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS FOUR A THROUGH FOUR K.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, DO
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WE HAVE, UH, ANY MEMBER? OH, I'M SORRY.OKAY, SO THE OWNERS, UM, I THINK LYLE, HE WAS JUST HERE.
UM, UH, MR. HU, PLEASE STAY ON STANDBY.
'CAUSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE OWNER FIRST.
SO IT'S A LYLE DAVIS, CORRECT? YES.
SO DO WE HAVE A LYLE DAVIS BACK ONLINE? YEAH, HE DIDN'T ANSWER CHAIR.
DID YOU SAY WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SPEAKER FOR THIS CASE? WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, UM, LISTEN TO MR. ANDREW HUMOR, WHO IS THE NEIGHBOR, CORRECT? YES.
ARE YOU ASKING ME TO SPEAK NOW? IS DO WE HAVE MR. HOER ONLINE? YEAH, IT'S MR. HOMER AND I'M ASKING ANDREW, ER, HOMER.
CAN YOU SPEAK UP MR. ER PLEASE? PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
WE'RE NOW TAKING ON THE CASE REGARDING 48 0 7 DUVAL STREET.
SO GO AHEAD AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'D LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS TO HEAR TONIGHT REGARDING THIS PROPERTY.
I AM THE IMA NEIGHBOR TO THE IMMEDIATE NORTH AT 48 AND 90.
UH, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN, UM, UNOCCUPIED SINCE DECEMBER OF 20, UM, 2018.
UM, KIND OF LEFT IT AS A MESS.
UM, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, INSTANCES WHERE FOLKS WERE GETTING INTO THE HOUSE AND I DID SECURE IT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO IT, PEOPLE CAN'T GET IN THERE NOW WITHOUT KICKING DOWN THE DOORS.
UM, THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT YOU HAD DON'T REPRESENT THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPING, THE TREES AND EVERYTHING.
THAT LOT WAS CLEARED UP ON THE 12TH BY A CREW WHO CLEANED UP ALL THE DOWNED LIMBS AND CUT DOWN ALL THE BRUSH AND EVERYTHING.
AND IN ADDITION, THERE WAS A CITY CREW FROM AUSTIN ENERGY THERE TODAY WHO PRETTY MUCH CLEARED THE BACK FENCE LINE UNDER THE POWER LINE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE GOAL YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.
THIS HOUSE WILL NEVER BE HABITABLE AGAIN.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE POINT OF, UM, HAVING HIM DO REPAIRS ON THE HOUSE.
UM, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT MR. UH, DAVIS, UM, NEEDS SOME HELP BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE HAS HIS MENTAL CAPACITY ANYMORE.
I, UM, HAD TO ALERT HIM THAT THIS PROCESS WAS GOING ON.
UM, HE DOESN'T REMEMBER ME ANYMORE, AND WE USED TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
I ALSO ASKED HIM WHETHER HE'D BEEN PAYING HIS PROPERTY TAXES.
HE SAID YES, AND THEN HE SAID, I THINK, SO I CHECKED WITH, UH, THE TRAVIS COUNTY TAX OFFICE, AND HE'S TWO YEARS IN ARREARS, OVER $32,000.
HE'S ALSO PAYING TAXES, UM, ON IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN ESSENTIALLY CONDEMNED FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
HE HAS THE ABILITY TO DEFER HIS TAXES OVER 65, AND HE HASN'T DONE THAT.
SO I JUST DON'T THINK THAT HE'S MANAGING IS AFFAIRS HERE.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GONNA FIX THIS PROBLEM, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY ENTAIL A SALE.
HE HAS HAD OFFERS ON THE PROPERTY THAT I KNOW OF.
IN ADDITION, MY OLDEST BROTHER MADE HIT HIM AND SENT HIM AN OFFER.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE RECEIVED IT OR NOT.
UM, BUT I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, MR. DAVIS WAS ON THE LINE EARLIER AND YOU SKIPPED OVER THIS.
UH, HE SAID THAT HIS PHONE, YOU KNOW, WAS GONNA RUN OUTTA JUICE.
AND I'M IMAGINING THAT'S WHY HE'S NOT THERE ANYMORE.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING FOR HIM.
SO I, I'M, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
I DON'T PERSONALLY WANT A CONSTRUCTION SITE NEXT TO ME EITHER, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S LET THIS PROPERTY DETERIORATE THE WAY THAT HE HAS.
SO I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE YOU'RE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
BECAUSE THE ONLY REAL THING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN
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HERE EVENTUALLY IS THIS IS GONNA BE SOLD SCRAPED, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME DIFFERENT STRUCTURES GONNA BE ERECTED ON THERE, AND IT IS DEEDED RESTRICTED, SO YOU CAN'T BUILD TWO UNITS ON THERE.IT'S RESTRICTED TO SINGLE OCCUPANCY, WHICH IS WHY THIS AREA OF, UH, HYDE PARK IS THE ONLY AREA THAT'S ZONED SSF TWO.
I THINK THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR US.
AND, UM, I'M SORRY THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE MISS MR. DAVIS ONLINE.
UM, I DO REMEMBER NOW SOMEBODY COMING ON, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS HIM.
UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND IT'S UP TO STAFF AT SOME POINT TO COME BEFORE US WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF REQUEST SORT OF, UM, I MEAN, SUCH AS A REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION.
UM, AND WE, I THINK TYPICALLY THEY DON'T GO TO THAT EXTENT UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
SO, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR DEMOLITION.
SO, UM, WHATEVER IS IN BETWEEN, WE DON'T KNOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SORT OUT TONIGHT BECAUSE MOST OWNERS DO NOT, UM, NECESSARILY LIKE US TO GO DOWN THAT PATH EITHER.
SO WE'LL TAKE EVERYTHING TO CONSIDERATION AND THEN, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF MR. DAVIS OR RELATIVE OF HIS MIGHT STEP UP TO HELP.
I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS ANY FAMILY.
YOU DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS ANY FAMILY? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING, YOU KNOW, TO SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF, UM, IN SOME CAPACITY.
AND WE'LL CERTAINLY SEND MAIL, UM, TO THE ADDRESS AND, UH, HOPEFULLY HE HAS SOMEBODY THAT'S HELPING HIM, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF MAIL AND THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO HIM WHAT'S GOING ON EVEN FURTHER.
BUT YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO STAY ON TO HEAR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS TONIGHT.
COUNCIL, UM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, CAN I ASK THAT WE TABLE THIS CASE AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE? OKAY.
WE HAD A, A LEGAL QUESTION THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
WE'LL TABLE IT, UM, FOR NOW, AND MAYBE MR. DAVIS WILL EVEN BE ABLE TO COME ON.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE'VE WHERE, UH, COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO TABLE IT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT RIGHT NOW,
WELL, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO TABLE IT? NORMALLY WE DO IF WE'RE THE ONE REQUESTING IT TO BE TABLED, BUT IN THIS CASE, COUNSEL IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS RAISED BY SOME OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD.
SO WE'LL TABLE IT AND THEN COME BACK.
I, I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO TABLE IT.
I, ROBERT, CLOSE AN ORDER, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
THEN WE'LL, SO WILL ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT? WHAT THE MOTION HAPPEN TO TABLE? I MOVE TO UH, UH, I MOVED TO UM, UM, UH, UM, TABLE THIS MEETING, THIS CASE UNTIL AFTER, UM, COUNCIL'S COME BACK WITH, IS THAT NECESSARY? I MEAN FOR US TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE.
UM, I DON'T, ROBERT, ROBERT RULES OF ORDERS.
DO YOU HAVE TO, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS? THIS PARTICULAR
UM, I THINK YOU NEED A MOTION AND REQUIRES A SECOND TO TABLE, BUT UM, YOU CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T NEED TO BE PRESENT FOR THAT.
UM, TABLE THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL AFTER COUNCIL'S COME BACK WITH, UH, LEGAL BY SOME MATTER.
SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER OLUGO AND THEN COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL.
SO HOW DO YOU VOTE ON THAT? I VOTE.
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I VOTE.I AM NOT SURE WHAT A NAY WOULD MEAN, BUT I VOTE A
THIS CASE HAS BEEN TABLED PROBABLY TO THE END, BUT DEFINITELY UNTIL COUNCIL COMES BACK.
SO CAN WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR? ON
[4. Case Number: CL 2023-096591 Property address: 4707 Ganymede Drive / Owner: Chung Family Investments LLC Staff presenter: Lauren Taggart Staff recommendation: Repair primary structure and demolish mobile home]
THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER CL 2023 DASH 9 6 5 9 1 REGARDING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 7 0 7 GAN MEAD DRIVE.THE EXHIBITS CAN BE FOUND IN THE LIGHT PURPLE BOOKS IN YOUR READERS AND GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER.
HERE ARE SOME FACTS ABOUT THE CASE.
THIS CASE IS ABOUT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND A MOBILE HOME.
THE CASE WAS OPEN IN JUNE, 2018 DUE TO A COMPLAINT.
THERE ARE NO ACTIVE PERMITS FOR THE PROPERTY.
CONDITIONS ARE CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD AND UNSAFE AND REQUIRE REPAIR OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND DEMOLITION OF THE MOBILE HOME.
IN YOUR GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER OR READER, YOU'LL FIND THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH CONTAINS THE COMPLAINT AND CASE HISTORY, A COPY OF THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS THAT VERIFIES OWNERSHIP, MAPS OF THE PROPERTY, THE NOTICES OF VIOLATION, NOTICES OF HEARING FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, PROOFS OF MAILING AND POSTINGS, AND EXHIBIT TWO, WHICH CONSISTS OF PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS TWO A THROUGH TWO M AND THE RECOMMENDED ORDER CODE INSPECTOR LAUREN TAGGART IS HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE PHOTOS AND DISCUSS THE VIOLATIONS AS DEPICTED.
INSPECTOR TAGGART, PLEASE BEGIN YOUR TESTIMONY.
MY NAME IS LAUREN TAGGER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
I'M THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITH THE NORTH DISTRICT.
I'VE BEEN HANDLING THE CASE FOR 47 0 7 GAN ME DRIVE.
THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AS WELL AS AN ILLEGAL UN PERMITTED MOBILE HOME LOCATED IN THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
ON JUNE 28TH, 2018, THIS CASE CAME INTO THE AUSTIN CODE DEPARTMENT THROUGH 3 1 1 SYSTEM FOR POSSIBLE NEW CONSTRUCTION WORK WITHOUT PERMIT AND POSSIBLE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
FROM JULY 25TH, 2018 TO MAY 29TH, 2019.
I ADDRESSED NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS INCLUDING AND NOT BUT LIMITED TO WORK WITHOUT PERMIT FOR THE MOBILE HOME THAT WAS BROUGHT ONTO THE PROPERTY AROUND 2016.
I OBSERVED TALL WEEDS AND GRASS TRASH DEBRIS AS WELL AS FOUL AND GOATS IN THE BACK AREA OF THE PROPERTY.
ON MAY 29TH, 2019, THIS CASE WAS TRANSFERRED TO A NEW CODE OFFICER.
I RESUMED OVERSEEING THIS CASE JANUARY 6TH, 2020 20.
FROM JANUARY OF 2020 TO THE EARLY 2023, I DOCUMENTED CONTINUING NON-COMPLIANCE AND VIOLATIONS OF SANITARY REQUIREMENTS, BUILDING PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND STRUCTURAL VIOLATION.
I ALSO WORK WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH INSPECTORS WHO HAVE THE AUTHORITY OVER FOUL HOOPS, DOMESTIC LIVESTOCK CONDITIONS.
ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS CONTINUE TO CREATE A BLIGHT CONDITION FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
DURING THIS TIMEFRAME, OUR TEAM TEAM RECEIVED MORE THAN 10 NEW COMPLAINTS FOR THESE CONDITIONS.
MARCH 29TH, 2023 I POSTED TWO CITATIONS FOR WORK WITHOUT PERMIT PERTAINING TO THE ILLEGAL MOBILE HOME IN THE REAR PROPERTY AS WELL AS PROPERTY ABATEMENT VIOLATIONS.
ON JUNE 29TH, 2023, I CONDUCTED A FOLLOW-UP AND OBSERVED TALL WEEDS, INGRESS, AND PERMITTED MOBILE HOME LOCATED IN THE REAR PROPERTY.
A GENERATOR WAS RUNNING ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UTILITIES WERE CONFIRMED TO BE OFF.
WE ALSO LEARNED THAT SHAA REYNOLDS, THE ORIGINAL OWNER AND OCCUPANT WAS NO LONGER OCCUPYING THE PROPERTY.
ALL ANIMALS WERE REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY, BUT ONE TENANT REMAINED ON SITE.
NEW REGISTERED AND CERTIFIED NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS SENT TO THE OWNER, REGISTERED AGENT FOR NEW VIOLATIONS REGARDING NO UTILITIES, PROPERTY ABATEMENT VIOLATIONS, UN PERMITTED STRUCTURE AND STRUCTURE VIOLATIONS.
ON AUGUST 2ND, 2023, I CONDUCTED A FOLLOW UP TO THIS LOCATION WHERE I OBSERVED THE TRAVIS COUNTY DEPUTY ON SITE POSTING AN EVICTION NOTICE ON THE FRONT DOOR.
I ALSO OBSERVED THE AREA BETWEEN THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND MOBILE HOME WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF TRASH, WOOD BRUSH PALLETS, GAS, EXCUSE ME, GAS CANS, ET CETERA, LOCATED NEXT TO THE GENERATOR ON THE PORCH OF THE MOBILE HOME RUNNING.
I OBSERVED THE INTERIOR CONDITIONS OF THE MOBILE HOME AND IT WAS EVIDENCE THAT ANIMALS HAD BEEN OCCUPYING THE STRUCTURE DUE TO THE ANIMAL BEDS, FECES, CRATES, AND PALLETS.
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SHOW YOU MY PHOTOS SHOWING THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY MARKED IN PHOTOS MARKED A TWO A THROUGH TWO M TWO A WAS TAKEN AUGUST 9TH, 2023.THIS PHOTO IS SHOWING THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE TALL WEEDS AND GRASS THAT HAVE BEEN MOUNTED DUE TO THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND COMPOSTING THAT WAS DONE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE LARGE U-HAUL TRUCK THAT HAS BEEN PARKED ON THE PROPERTY.
THE SINGLE TENANT WAS USING THIS VEHICLE FOR FURTHER STORAGE AND UNKNOWN MATERIALS WITH A GENERATOR RUNNING NEXT TO THE VEHICLE.
EXHAUST VENTILATION PIPE TWO B TWO B AUGUST 9TH, 2023 SHOWING A DIFFERENT ANGLE OF THE U-HAUL PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY SHOWING HOW CLOSE THE GENERATOR WAS RUNNING NEXT TO THE VEHICLE.
EXHAUST VENT, IT WAS VERY CONCERNING TO THE NEIGHBORS AS A POTENTIAL FIRE HAZARD TO C TO C IS AUGUST 2ND SHOWING THE READ EVICTION STICKER THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE TRAVIS COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WITH THE EVICTION DATE OF BEING AUGUST 22ND, 2023.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE BROKEN WINDOW IN THE GARAGE DOOR THAT HAS NOT BEEN REPAIRED.
TWO D TWO D IS AUGUST 9TH SHOWING AN OVERALL VIEW OF THE MOBILE HOME FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE THE STRUCTURE IS PLACED TO THE PROPERTY.
LINE TWO D, WHAT'S THAT? TWO E SHOWING SCREENING, FENCING, BENCHES, WOOD AND TALL WEEDS AND GRASS IN THE BACKYARD OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE FENCE OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR'S.
THIS IS SHOWING THE BACK PORTION OF THE UNPERMITTED MOBILE HOME.
THERE'S A VENT PIPE THAT WAS INSTALLED INCORRECTLY AND NOT ABLE TO WORK IN ITS INTENDED FUNCTION IN THE VENTING EXHAUST FUMES PROPERLY.
AND THIS IS ALSO WHERE THE ANIMALS WERE BEING HOUSED.
TWO G AUGUST 9TH SHOWING THE CLOSER PHOTO OF THE INCORRECTLY INSTALLED VENT EXTERIOR PORTION OF THE MOBILE HOME TWO H, SO AUGUST 2ND.
THIS IS SHOWING THE AREA BETWEEN THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE MOBILE HOME WHERE THE WOOD BRUSH GAS CANS, PALLETS, BICYCLE PARTS, PLASTIC CONTAINERS WITH UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE AND LOCATED INSIDE OF THEM.
YOU CAN SEE THE AC WALL UNIT IN THE WINDOWS THAT WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT REQUIRED MECHANICAL PERMIT BEING OBTAINED TO I IS AUGUST 2ND SHOWING A SIDE VIEW OF THE MOBILE HOME YOU CAN SEE THE INTERIOR CONDITIONS WITH THE ANIMAL BEDS, PALLETS, CAGES, AS WELL AS ANIMAL WASTE ALL OVER THE FLOOR.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE RUNNING GENERATOR WITH THE GAS CAN SITTING NEXT TO IT WHILE IT RUNS.
AND THIS WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, PROPERTY.
TODAY IS AUGUST 9TH, SHOWING THE CONDITIONS OF THE REAR PROPERTY AREA.
YOU CAN SEE KITTY POOLS MORE PALLETS, KIDS PLAYHOUSE, COOPER COOPS, WATER JUGS, BUCKETS, LAUNDRY BASKETS, FENCING GATE, ALL PILED AROUND AND CREATING A NUISANCE AND HARBORS FOR RODENTS TO LIVE AND MAKING CONDITIONS FOR STANDING AND STAGNANT WATER.
CREATED A HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENT FOR BREEDING MOSQUITOES, TWO K AUGUST 9TH, SHOWING BROKEN AND DAMAGED DOGHOUSES MORE BUCKETS, OLD METAL SOCCER FRAME STORAGE BINS, AS WELL AS WOOD POSTS THAT HAVE BEEN RIPPED OUT OF THE GROUND.
THERE ARE MANY MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN STORED IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THAT WASH DOWN TO THE CREEK IS CAUSING FLOODING ISSUES WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
WHEN THE CREEK GETS CLOGGED BY THE MATERIALS, WATER'S NOT ABLE TO FLOW PROPERLY.
TWO L IS AUGUST 9TH SHOWING MATERIALS LIKE FENCING AND DEBRIS THAT HAS BEEN ALL TANGLED UP AND HAS BEEN WASHED DOWN FROM THE RIGHT BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS APPROXIMATELY ONLY 10 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
YOU CAN SEE THE ITEMS THAT ARE MAKING IT DOWN THE CREEK CAUSING ISSUES FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHEN IT RAINS.
TWO M IS AUGUST 2ND, SHOWING THE TALL WEEDS AND GRASS FENCING, COMPUTER CHAIRS, SHELVING BARRELS, BRICKS, CUSHIONS, THIS AREAS WHERE ALL THE ANIMALS WERE BEING HOUSED AND COMPOSTING WAS OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE ASKING FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REMOVAL OF THE UNPERMITTED MOBILE HOME AND TO REQUIRE OR TO REQUIRE THE OWNERS TO OBTAIN AND FINAL ALL REQUIRED PERMITS FOR THE MOBILE HOME AND MAKE ALL REQUIRED STRUCTURE REPAIRS TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, AND TO REQUIRE THE OWNERS TO REMOVE ALL TRASH, DEBRIS, HAZARDOUS
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MATERIALS FROM THE ENTIRE PROPERTY THAT WILL ELIMINATE ROT RODENT PESTS FOR THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY TESTIMONY.
I AM FREE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.
OKAY, HERE I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ACTUALLY FOR THE COURT OFFICER, I WAS GOING TO GO TO THE OWNER FIRST.
I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE PHOTOS BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED.
SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT A MOBILE HOME, BUT I SAW S STRUCTURED.
DO YOU, CAN I READ THE, UH, ON Q F TWO G, COMMISSION OF SALAD STAFF HAS NOT EVEN, WE'VE NOT DONE I'M ADMISSION OF EXHIBITS OR ANYTHING.
SO IF YOU WANNA GIVE US A COUPLE MINUTES.
BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THOSE DESCRIBED IN THE FINDINGS OF FACT, THE CODE OFFICIAL FOUND THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS A PUBLIC AND AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE WITH SUBSTANDARD AND UNSAFE CONDITIONS.
STAFF ASKED THE COMMISSION TO ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH INCLUDES STAFF'S PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND OTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO M.
STAFF ALSO REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER THE, THAT THE OWNER COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING, ONE WITHIN 45 DAYS FROM THE DATE THE ORDER IS MAILED.
A, OBTAIN AND FINALIZE ALL NECESSARY PERMITS.
B, PREPARE ALL SIGHTED VIOLATIONS TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
C DEMOLISH ALL PORTIONS OF THE MOBILE HOME AND REMOVE AS DEBRIS LEAVING THE LOT CLEAN AND RAKED AND D REQUEST INSPECTIONS FROM CITY OF AUSTIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE TWO ON THE 46TH DAY.
IF THE REPAIRS TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE HAVE NOT BEEN ACHIEVED, ASSESS A CIVIL PENALTY OF $250 PER WEEK THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ACCRUE UNTIL THE CODE OFFICIAL DETERMINES THAT THE REPAIRS REQUIRED BY THIS ORDER ARE COMPLETE INTEREST SHALL ACCRUE A RATE OF 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT UNTIL PAID IN FULL.
THREE ON THE 46TH DAY IF DEMOLITION OF THE MOBILE HOME HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED, A AUTHORIZE THE CODE OFFICIAL TO PROCEED WITH DEMOLITION AND, AND TO CONSIDER ALL PORTIONS OF THE MOBILE HOME, INCLUDING ANY ITEMS IN AND AROUND THE MOBILE HOME AS DEBRIS AND DISPOSE OF AS SUCH.
AND B, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL BE ON NOTICE THAT THE CODE OFFICIAL IS AUTHORIZED TO ASSESS ALL EXPENSES INCURRED AGAINST THE PROPERTY UNLESS EXEMPTED BY THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION.
A LIEN FOR THOSE EXPENSES MAY BE FILED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND RECORDED WITH THIS TRAVIS COUNTY DEEDED RECORDS INTEREST SHALL ACCRUE A RATE OF 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT UNTIL PAID IN FULL AND WITHOUT THE CITY CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE AS WELL AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO M THAT ARE MARKED AS THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, AND COMMISSIONER SS, I'LL COME BACK TO YOUR QUESTION OF COURSE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE OWNERS, UM, ARE ABLE TO ALSO HEAR EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING.
IS THERE A MR IS MR. CHUNG ABLE TO HEAR US? YES, HE'S, UH, CURRENTLY ONLINE.
HE JUST NEEDS TO UNMUTE HIMSELF.
UH, MR. CHUNG, UM, CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE, MR. CHUNG? UM, I, MR. CHUNG, CAN YOU ME? YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU, SO, OKAY, THANKS.
YOU CAN LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY HERE AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER TONIGHT.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? YEAH.
I, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, UH, ADDRESS THIS.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE CONCISE, UM, AND I THINK TELLING A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE HISTORY WILL PROVIDE GOOD CONTEXT.
SO I DO OWN THIS PROPERTY, UM, THROUGH MY, THROUGH AN L L C.
THAT IS BASICALLY THE, MY, UM, SELF-DIRECTED I R A.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU MAY SEE CHUNG FAMILY INVESTMENTS.
L L C I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER IN 2016, AND HE CONTINUED TO STAY ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, ALONG WITH THE PURCHASE, I SIGNED A LONG-TERM LEASE FOR HIM TO STAY ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS PART OF THAT, THE UNIT IN THE BACK, WHICH IS NOT A MOBILE HOME, IT IS, UM, AN RV.
IT HAS A VIN NUMBER, IT IS AN ATHENS PARK MODEL RV.
UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I PRE-PURCHASED, UH, UH, AND THAT TOOK EFFECT IN 2022.
UM, THE WHOLE IDEA HERE WAS THAT, UH, THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS TRYING TO ESTABLISH A BUSINESS WHERE, UM, HE WOULD HAVE THESE KINDS OF, UH, RVS, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, TIED DOWN IN THE BACK AND, YOU KNOW, BE
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UTILIZED AS ADUS.THAT WAS THE CONCEPT, AND THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEMONSTRATION.
SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALL WELL AND GOOD FOR ME.
THEY, HE DID OBTAIN AN INITIAL PERMIT TO LOCATE, UH, THAT UNIT WHERE THEY DID, IT WAS INSIDE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN, WITHIN THE SETBACKS AND SO FORTH, BUT AS HE TRIED TO GET THE REST OF THE PERMIT, UH, IN PURSUIT OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, FOUND THAT HE COULDN'T BECAUSE, UH, IT BEING AN RV, IT DIDN'T MEET, UH, THE CODES FOR I R C OR, OR WHATEVER THE, THE CASE MAY BE FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
SO FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, IT WAS HOOKED UP TO, UH, ELECTRICAL, UH, BUT NO, NO SEWER OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
AND THEN AFTER SOME PERIOD OF TIME, THE ELECTRICAL WAS NOT, WAS, WAS DISCONNECTED.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT HAS WHEELS.
IT'S ON A, A HARNESS, UH, WITH A TRAY, YOU KNOW, WITH A TRAILER HARNESS.
IT WAS NOT PUT ON A HARNESS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BUILT, UH, WITH WHEELS.
UM, AND IT IS ON WOOD BLOCKS, UH, UH, ON THE SITE.
UM, IT WAS NEVER, IT NEVER GOT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE.
UM, NOW THE OTHER LAYER THAT I WANT TO BRING INTO THIS IS THAT, UM, AS, AS YOU HEARD, UH, THAT THIS PREVIOUS OWNER, UH, WHO BECAME MY TENANT, UH, UH, WE WENT THROUGH AN EVICTION PROCESS.
AND WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT A YEAR AGO IS THAT HE BROUGHT IN A SUBTENANT, UH, WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION FROM MY PROPERTY MANAGER, BUT HE BROUGHT IN A SUBTENANT THAT TURNED OUT TO BE A NIGHTMARE SUBTENANT.
UM, AND DROVE AND, AND BASICALLY, UM, CAUSED MY MAIN TENANT TO LEAVE, TURN OFF THE UTILITIES.
AND IT, IT WAS THE SUBTENANT THAT BROUGHT IN THE GENERATOR THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSED, UH, A LOT OF ISSUES.
AND, UM, WE FINALLY GOT THE EVICTION AND THE CONSTABLE TO COME OUT TO DRIVE OUT THE SUBTENANT SO THE PROPERTY WILL BE, UH, TURNED AROUND.
SO I'M TOTALLY HAPPY TO RECEIVE SOME ORDER TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY AND, AND SO FORTH AND SO ON, BECAUSE THAT IS THE INTENT.
UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO KEEP IT IN THE CONDITION THAT IT IS.
UM, THE PRE ONE FINAL THING I'LL ADD, JUST BECAUSE THE STORY ISN'T INTERESTING ENOUGH, UM, BUT THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, ONCE HIS TINY HOME BUSINESS DIDN'T WORK OUT, HE MOVED INTO A GARDENING, LANDSCAPING TYPE OF BUSINESS, WHICH CAUSED HIM TO THEN HAVE ANIMALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
HE ASSURED ME IT WAS WITHIN THE EXTENT OF THE LAW AND, AND REGULATIONS AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT IS WHY YOU SEE REPORTS OF ANIMALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT AS THE CODE OFFICER SAID, ALL THE ANIMALS ARE GONE NOW.
SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE.
I THINK THE REALLY, THE KEY ONE THOUGH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT TINY HOME ON WHEELS, UH, WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS IT LEGALLY, WHAT IS IT ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS? I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS, BUT IT IS NOT A, IT IS NOT A MOBILE HOME.
IT, IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME, IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE OCCUPIED.
AND I'M, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, UH, TO EVERYONE, UH, THAT, THAT'S ALL THE REMARKS I HAD.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU MR. CHUNG FOR THAT, UH, PRECISE AND CONCISE, UM, STATEMENT.
I DID HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT YOUR PLAN IS TO CLEAN EVERYTHING UP AND DO THE REPAIRS, BUT, UM, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU'LL NEED FOR THAT? UM, I NEED TO GET, UH, ESTIMATES ON THE COST, BUT I, IT, IT WON'T BE MUCH TIME BECAUSE I CANNOT RENT THE PLACE OUT AGAIN UNTIL I GET IT CLEANED UP.
SO, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE 30 TO 45 DAYS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, WHETHER IT'S EVERY SINGLE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CODE OFFICE WOULD LIKE ME TO CLEAN UP.
I MEAN, WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS.
UM, THE COMMISSIONERS MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, CODE OFFICER TAGGART ABOUT THE PICTURES THAT WE WERE GIVEN AND SPECIFICALLY TWO F TWO G AND TWO H.
YOU REFERENCED A MOBILE HOME, OR, BUT I DON'T SEE IT IN THESE PICTURES.
YOU CAN SEE THE MOBILE HOME, THE BACK OF IT RIGHT THERE ON THAT FENCE.
AND I'D LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, PER TRAVIS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, IT IS LISTED AS A MOBILE HOME.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE PICTURES.
IT'S NOT OBVIOUS FROM THE PICTURES OFF TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT IS THE BACK OF THE, THE SIDE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND OFF TO THE LEFT IS THE MOBILE HOME.
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OKAY, I SEE A BRAND NEW HOME.UM, OR, UM, A CODE OFFICIAL, JUST, I KNOW THE ORDER SAYS I NEED TO DEMOLISH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE MOBILE HOME.
UH, IF IN THEORY THEY PUT IT ON A TRUCK AND GET IT OUT THE WAY THEY GOT IT IN SOMEHOW, THAT THAT WOULD RE WE'VE DONE IT REMOVED.
THAT WOULD SUFFICE IN OUR REMOVAL.
UH, I'D LIKE TO FIRST ASK A QUESTION TO INSPECT TAGIT MM-HMM.
BUT WE'RE GETTING THE MOBILE HOME FROM TRAVIS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT WE GO OFF OF WITH OUR RECORDS, AND IT HAS IT LISTED AS AN IMPROVEMENT NUMBER TWO, AS A MOBILE HOME, ABOUT 583 TO 86 SQUARE FEET.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF THE, UH, STRUCTURE.
UM, AS FOR MR. CHUNG, I WOULD JUST LIKE CLARIFICATION, UM, SINCE YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IMPROVE THE PROPERTY, REGARDLESS OF OUR ORDER SEEMINGLY, UM, WOULD THOSE IMPROVEMENTS CAN INCLUDE REMOVING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN, IN YOUR CURRENT PLANS? UH, THEY, THEY MAY INCLUDE REMOVING THE STRUCTURE, I GUESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, UH, I, WE HAVE TO ASSESS THE CONDITION OF THINGS, AND PART OF IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE HERE.
IF THIS THING, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE CONSIDERED AN RV, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IT TECHNICALLY IS, AND IT'S FINE SITTING THERE AND IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION, THEN THE QUESTION I WILL ASK MYSELF IS, IS THIS ADDING VALUE TO THE PROPERTY? BY HAVING THIS THERE, WOULD A TENANT, UH, ENJOY USING THAT AS A SHED OR FOR SOME NON OCCUPANTS, YOU KNOW, CER UH, NON OCCUPANCY PURPOSE? UH, IF THE ANSWER THAT IS YES, THEN I'D LOVE TO KEEP IT THERE.
IF, IF YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TELL ME NO, DESPITE IT HAVING A VIN NUMBER AND BEING AN RV, THIS REALLY CAN'T STAY, THEN I WOULD BE HAPPY TO REMOVE IT.
THE QUESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A, AN INEXPENSIVE THING TO MOVE, UH, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SITE OF IT, AND IT HAS TO GO OUT THE BACK AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO IT WOULD BE AN EXPENSIVE THING TO MOVE.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, TO NOT INCUR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER EXPENSES THAT I HAVE TO INCUR IN ORDER TO GET THIS PROPERTY RENTABLE.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DEFER THAT, UM, THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL FOLLOW WHATEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, ORDERS, UH, COME OUT.
UH, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, I WOULD LIKE TO PERHAPS TEMP YOUR EXPECTATIONS A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, I, I, I'VE NOT HEARD OF, UH, THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE SIMILAR TO ANY KIND OF RV THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, I DON'T IMAGINE IT HAS AN ENGINE OR COULD RUN INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, AND CERTAINLY ACCORDING TO INSPECTOR TAGARD ON THE PROPERTY RECORDS, IT SEEMS TO BE LISTED AS A MOBILE HOME AS OPPOSED TO AN RV, WHICH POTENTIALLY PUTS IT INTO MORE HOT WATER IN THIS CASE.
UM, I'D, I'D ALSO JUST BE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ZONING ISSUES, UH, DEPENDING ON WHERE EXACTLY IT IS.
BUT, UH, CERTAINLY IT SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT BE LEANING TOWARDS, UH, ASKING FOR THE REMOVAL OF THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
OH, MR. CHUNG, DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? NO, I DIDN'T.
UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER SELLING, OH, NO.
COMMISSIONER FRANCIS, YOU HAD A QUESTION, A QUESTION FOR MR. CHUNG.
EARLIER, YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD GET EVERYTHING CLEANED UP IN 30 TO 45 DAYS, AND THEN JUST A MOMENT AGO, YOU SAID YOU NEEDED SIX MONTHS, SO, WHICH IS IT? UM, WHAT I WAS ANSWERING ABOUT THE SIX MONTHS IS WHETHER OR NOT REMOVING THE TINY HOUSE ON WHEELS IS PART OF THE CLEANING UP, AND I RESPONDED THAT IT DEPENDED ON WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE.
I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, IF THE, AND, AND WHAT THE CONDITION OF THAT TINY HOUSE ON WHEELS IS, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I HAVE SOME TIME, IF, IF, IF YOU, IF IT, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, IF I HAVE SOME TIME TO REMOVE IT, IT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR EXPENSE.
AND MY FIRST PRIORITY WOULD BE TO CLEANING, UH, REMOVING DEBRIS, CLEANING UP ANY ISSUES WITH THE MAIN BUILDING STRUCTURE, UH, NOT HAVING IT BE A NUISANCE SUCH THAT IT IS A RENTABLE HOME.
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FIRST PRIORITY.SO THAT, THAT IS NATURALLY WHAT I WOULD SPEND MONEY ON FIRST.
IF I HAD MORE TIME TO REMOVE THE TINY HOUSE ON WHEELS, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE APPRECIATED, BECAUSE THEN I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MUCH AS HIGH OF A CAPITAL EXPENSE, UH, UPFRONT.
UH, IF THAT COULD BE SPREAD OUT OVER TIME SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IT'LL COST TO CLEAN UP THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'LL PROBABLY BE FIVE TO $10,000 TO REMOVE THAT, UH, TINY HOUSE ON WHEELS.
SO NOT HAVING TO INCUR THAT ALL AT ONCE WOULD CERTAINLY BE APPRECIATED.
THAT THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING.
AND JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
SO OFFICER TAGT, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2018.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE HEARING AND ADOPT STAFF PROPOSAL, UH, FINDINGS OF FACT INCLUSION OF THE LAW AND RECOMMENDED ORDER.
I HAVE, UH, COMBINED MOTION AND I ALSO HAVE A SECOND, BUT I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER FIRST.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ARE WE ALLOWED TO COME BY? MOTIONS? YES.
I THINK WE CAN COME BY MOTIONS, ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, I CAN GO AROUND AND VOTE IF ANYBODY DOESN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
WELL, I THINK WE CAN CHAIR, CHAIR.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A MOTION AND WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE, AND IF IT FAILS, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER ACTION.
OKAY, SO PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING'S CLOSED AND ALSO THE MOTION CARRIES, UM, IN TERMS OF ACCEPTING THE FINDINGS ON OF FACTS AND CONCLUSIONS MADE BY STAFF AND THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, MR. CHUNG, YOU WILL BE RECEIVING THE ORDER IN THE MAIL.
UM, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US REGARDING THE ITEM THAT WE TABLED? UH, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR.
I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UM, THERE WAS, WE HAD A CALLER CALL IN, BUT IT'S FROM A NUMBER THAT I DON'T RECOGNIZE.
I AM CURIOUS IF IT WOULD BE, UM, UH, THAT'S MR. DAVIS.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE HIM A PANELIST AND, UH, UNMUTE HIM AND SEE IF, IF THAT IS THE CASE? YES, PLEASE.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, IF IT IS MR. DAVIS, I WOULD RECOMMEND UN TABLING THE, UM, THE ITEM AND, UM, TAKING HIS TESTIMONY.
AND IF IT'S NOT HIM, UM, AND IF IT'S NOT HIM, WE CAN MOVE ON WITH HEARING, UM, MOVE TO THE, THE NEXT ITEM.
BUT DO WE UN TABLE THAT AT SOME POINT? OKAY,
SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO EITHER WAY.
UH, CALL IN USER SEVEN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
WHO DO WE HAVE ON THE LINE? HELLO, COULD YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S POUND SIX.
IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO UNMUTE? UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO UPDATES TO THE SOFTWARE, I AM UNABLE TO MUTE THEM WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.
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ALL RIGHT.UM, SO I GUESS WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND THE PERSON THAT'S ON THE PHONE, IF YOU CAN HEAR US AT ANY POINT, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO SPEAK UP AND ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.
[5. Case Number: CL 2023-088888 Property address: 2519 Rockridge Drive/ Owner: Severo Carrisalez Staff presenter:Sandy Van Cleave Staff recommendation: Repair single family residential structure]
YES, PLEASE.ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER CL 2023 DASH 0 8 8 8 8 8 AND IS REGARDING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 5 1 9 ROCKRIDGE DRIVE.
THE EXHIBITS CAN BE FOUND IN THE SALMON BOOKS IN YOUR READERS AND GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER.
HERE ARE SOME FACTS ABOUT THE CASE.
THIS CASE IS ABOUT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT IS OCCUPIED.
THE CASE WAS OPENED IN SEPTEMBER, 2021 AS THE RESULT OF A COMPLAINT.
THERE ARE NO ACTIVE PERMITS FOR THE PROPERTY RELATED TO THE CITED VIOLATIONS.
CONDITIONS ARE CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD AND HAZARDOUS AND REQUIRE REPAIR.
IN YOUR GOOGLE DRIVE FOLDER OR READER, YOU'LL FIND THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH CONTAINS THE COMPLAINT AND CASE HISTORY, A COPY OF THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS THAT VERIFIES OWNERSHIP, THE NOTICES OF VIOLATION, NOTICES OF HEARING FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, AND PROOFS OF MAILING AND POSTING.
AND EXHIBIT TWO, WHICH CONSISTS OF PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO I.
AND THE RECOMMENDED ORDER CODE INSPECTOR SANDY VAN CLEVE IS HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE PHOTOS AND DISCUSS THE VIOLATIONS AS DEPICTED.
INSPECTOR VAN CLEVE, PLEASE BEGIN YOUR TESTIMONY.
MY NAME IS SANDY VAN CLEVE AND I AM THE ASSIGNED CITY OF AUSTIN CODE OFFICER FOR THIS CASE.
THIS COMPLAINT ORIGINATED ON SEPTEMBER THE 15TH OF 2021 THROUGH A THREE ONE ONE CALL CONCERNING SUBSTANDARD ISSUES WITH THE ROOF AT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AT 25 19 ROCK RIDGE DRIVE.
I FIRST INSPECTED THIS PROPERTY ON SEPTEMBER THE 15TH OF 2021, AND I OBSERVED THE FASCIA AND SOFFIT AT THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE WAS IN A DETERIORATED CONDITION AND HAD PARTIALLY SEPARATED FROM THE ROOF AND THE STRUCTURE ALSO OBSERVED TRASH AND DEBRIS AND NUMEROUS JUNK VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ON SEPTEMBER THE 16TH, 2021, AUGUST THE 12TH, 2022, AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING FOR THE STRUCTURAL VIOLATIONS WAS HELD ON NOVEMBER THE 15TH OF 2021.
THE OWNER OR ANYONE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER DID NOT APPEAR AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING.
THEREFORE, THE OWNER WAS FOUND ALLOWABLE FOR THE STRUCTURAL VIOLATIONS PRESENTED AT THE HEARING.
I HAVE MADE NUMEROUS GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO TRY TO CONTACT A PROPERTY OWNER BY LEAVING DOOR TAGS, TALKING TO NEIGHBORS, AND LEAVING MESSAGES.
IT WAS LATER LEARNED THAT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER IS DECEASED, UH, AS OF MAY OF 2015, AND IS BELIEVED THAT RELATIVES OF THE DECEASED ARE LIVING AT THE PROPERTY.
I HAVE MADE CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO CLAIMED HE WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT I BELIEVE HE'S THE SON OF THE DECEASED PROPERTY OWNER.
DURING AN INSPECTION ON AUGUST THE 25TH OF 2023, ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL VIOLATIONS WERE DOCUMENTED AS A RESULT OF MY INSPECTION ON THAT DATE.
AS A RESULT OF THOSE ADDITIONAL VIOLATIONS DOCUMENTED, A NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ON RECORD ON APRIL 25TH, 2023.
THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS POSTED ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 26TH, 2023.
SO THE FOLLOWING PHOTOGRAPHS ARE REPRESENTATION OF THE DEFICIENCIES THAT I OBSERVED AT THE PROPERTY DURING MY INSPECTION ON APRIL 25TH, 2023.
SO EXHIBIT TWO A IS A CONTEXTUAL PHOTO OF THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
EXHIBIT TWO B SHOWS A ROOF VENT AT THE BACK WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, THIS ROOF VENT SHOWS THAT IT IS RUSTED AND IN A DETERIORATED CONDITION.
AND THE REASON I CITE THIS IS THERE WAS A CONCERN, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SOFFIT AND FASCIA THAT, UH, THE ROOF VENT MAY NOT BE OPERATING PROPERLY BY ALLOWING AIR TO FLOW INTO THE ATTIC AND RECIRCULATE AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
SO THERE WON'T BE NO MOISTURE BUILDING UP.
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UH, THIS IS EXHIBIT TWO C AND THIS SHOWS A WINDOW PANE ABOVE AN OUTDOOR, UH, AC UNIT THAT WAS INSTALLED IN THE WINDOW.SO IT'S, UH, THERE'S PLYWOOD THAT'S IN PLACE WHERE, UH, GLAZING SHOULD BE, AND SO THERE SHOULD BE A WINDOW IN PLACE OF THAT INSTEAD OF THE, UH, PLYWOOD ABOVE THAT, UH, AC UNIT.
SO, PHOTO D UH, OR EXHIBIT TWO D.
AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THE BOTTOM OF THE SIDING ON THE WEST.
THIS IS ON THE BACK WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE ADJACENT TO THE WATER SPIGOT, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT'S, UH, COMING APART, DETERIORATED, MISSING, AND IT'S EXPOSING THE INTERIOR, UH, OF THE WALL THERE.
EXHIBIT TWO E IS JUST ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE DETERIORATED SIDING AT THE BOTTOM.
THERE'S SHOWN AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE, TAKEN AT A DISTANCE TO SHOW, UH, THE CONDITION OF THAT, UH, SIDING.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS SHOWS THE S SOFTEN AND FASCIA AT THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S IN THE DILAPIDATED CONDITION AND THEN DISREPAIR.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S DETACHED AND HANGING FROM THE ROOFING AREA ABOUT TO FALL OFF.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THERE, YOU'LL SEE AN ELECTRICAL SERVICE DISCONNECT SWITCH BOX THAT IS EXPOSED.
IT'S MISSING THE COVER, IT'S EXPOSING ALL THE WIRING FROM, UM, THE WIRES THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE SOME WIRING OVER THAT, UM, DISCONNECT BOX.
IT'S JUST HANGING THERE THAT'S NOT DISCONNECTED TO ANYTHING.
UH, IN EXHIBIT, UH, TWO H, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PHOTO SHOWING THAT AC CONDENSER BOX.
IT'S SHOWING IT'S, UH, EXPOSED, IT'S SHOWING SOME WIRES EXPOSED, AND IT'S NOT THE WIRING OVER THE TOP OF IT'S NOT, UH, CONNECTED.
AND IT'S MY BELIEF THAT THE ACS NOT EVEN CONNECTED TO THAT AC, UM, BOX.
I THINK THAT THE ACS NOT EVEN WORKING AND IT'S DISCONNECTED.
IN TWO I, THIS SHOWS, UH, AN EXTENSION CORD.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S HOOKED TO, BUT IT'S JUST HANGING SOMEWHERE MAYBE INSIDE THE HOUSE OR IN UP THROUGH THE ROOF THAT'S JUST HANGING DOWN OVER THAT AC UNIT.
AND I BELIEVE THIS CONCLUDES, UH, ALL THE EXHIBITS I HAVE INCLUDES MY PRESENTATIONS.
I STRANGLE RECOMMEND ISSUED AN ORDER FOR SOME REPAIRS LEVEL FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF EXISTING OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THOSE DESCRIBING THE FINDINGS OF FACT, THE CODE OFFICIAL FOUND THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS A PUBLIC AND ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE WITH SUBSTANDARD AND HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS.
STAFF ASKS THE COMMISSION TO ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH INCLUDES STAFF'S PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND OTHER RELEVANT DOC DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED AS EXHIBITS TWO A THROUGH TWO.
I STAFF ALSO REQUESTS THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER THAT THE OWNER COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING, ONE WITHIN 45 DAYS FROM THE DATE THE ORDER IS MAILED.
A, OBTAIN AND FINALIZE ALL NECESSARY PERMITS.
B, REPAIR ALL CITED VIOLATIONS TO THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
C REQUEST INSPECTIONS FROM CITY OF AUSTIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE.
AND TWO, ON THE 46TH DAY, IF COMPLIANCE HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED, ASSESS A CIVIL PENALTY OF $250 PER WEEK THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ACCRUE UNTIL THE CODE OFFICIAL DETERMINES THAT THE REPAIRS REQUIRED BY THIS ORDER ARE COMPLETE INTEREST SHALL ACCRUE A RATE OF 10% PER YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE ASSESSMENT UNTIL PAID IN FULL.
AND WITH THAT, THE CITY CONCLUDES ITS PRESENTATION.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADMIT EXHIBIT ONE AS WELL AS, UM, PHOTOGRAPHS MARKED EXHIBIT TWO A THROUGH TWO.
I, UM, I DON'T SHOW ANYTHING ON MY PAPERWORK HERE, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY HERE ON THE PHONE FOR THIS PROPERTY? IS THERE ANY, THERE'S NO ONE CURRENTLY ONLINE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS OTHER NUMBER IS OR WHO THIS OTHER NUMBER IS ACTUALLY.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, GO AHEAD.
UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF THE CURRENT TITLE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING, UH, TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WE HAVE ON OUR SHEETS IN FRONT OF US THAT THE OWNERS SEVERAL CO UH, ZALES.
UM, JUST LOOKING ON THE COMPLAINT INFORMATION THAT I'M SEEING ON MY TABLET, UH, IT DOES MENTION, UH, SEVERAL ZALES JR.
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I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POTENTIALLY THE CASE THAT THEY, UH, BOTH HAVE THE SAME NAME, BUT THAT TITLE WAS POTENTIALLY TRANSFERRED, NOT THAT I KNOW OF.I BELIEVE THE OWNER'S NAME WAS, UH, JUNIOR.
UH, I CONFIRMED THAT THROUGH SOME NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBORS THAT, UH, LIVE IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S HOW AFTER I HAD THE CASE ALONG AND DID SOME MORE INVESTIGATIVE WORK AND, UH, THEY CONFIRMED THE OBITUARY THAT THE LET, THAT THE NAME DOES MATCH IS JUNIOR.
SO YES, I HAD A SIMILAR CONCERN ACTUALLY.
SO HOW LONG AGO DID YOU FIND OUT THAT THE FIRST THE OWNER MIGHT BE DECEASED? I FOUND OUT I HAD THIS CASE IN 2021 AND WE WENT THROUGH SOME ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS, AND I THINK IT WAS MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN I FINALLY FOUND OUT AND CONFIRMED THAT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER IS DECEASED AND IT IS HIS RELATIVES THAT ARE LIVING IN THE HOUSE.
AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE.
I SEE THAT THE CORRESPONDENCE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED TO SAMUEL LES.
UM, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONTACT WITH A SAMUEL? I BELIEVE I'VE HAD CONTACT WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL.
HE'S A MALE SUBJECT, I BELIEVE THAT MAY BE HIS NAME.
HE TOLD ME HE WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT, UH, HE WOULDN'T GIMME ANY OTHER INFORMATION AND I BELIEVE HE MAY BE THE SIGN OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, DECEASED PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, VICE CHAIR, OH, I'M SORRY.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE, SAY, PROVIDE A OBSERVATION OF MY PERSPECTIVE ON, YOU KNOW, WE SEE LOTS OF CASES, UM, I THINK ON THE SPECTRUM OF CASES WE SEE THIS IS ONE OF THE CASES WHERE THE ISSUES SEEM TO BE THE EASIEST TO REMEDY.
THIS SEEMS TO BE VERY ADDRESSABLE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN CASES WHERE WE'RE SCRATCHING OUR HEADS WONDERING HOW THE HOMEOWNER'S CAN POSSIBLY FIX WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
THIS IS NOT THE CASE, I THINK, BUT THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT LOOKS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, UM, UN YOU KNOW, ONEROUS TO FIX.
YEAH, I THINK MY CONCERN IS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ALREADY HAD THREE ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS IN 2022, AND SO NOW WE ARE HERE AGAIN.
UM, AND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE STAFF HAS MADE ANY ACTUAL CONTACT, ANY MEANINGFUL CONTACT WITH ANY FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT.
I HOPE IT DOES, OF COURSE, BUT WE'LL STILL, EITHER WAY WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION AND MAYBE THE FAMILY MEMBERS WOULD RESPOND AT THAT POINT.
UM, WHERE I'M GONNA GO, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL FIRST AND THEN COMMISSIONER S LUGA.
UH, I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS CONSENT, UM, IN, IN THIS CONTEXT IF WE DON'T, I I, IF IT APPEARS THAT THE TITLE IS CURRENTLY, UM, OWNED BY SOMEONE WHO IS DECEASED, UH, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE, FOR INSTANCE, IMPOSE LINES, WHO'S THAT EVEN SUPPOSED TO GO TO? I MEAN, PRESUMABLY THE, UH, UM, BENEFICIARIES OF THE WORLD.
BUT, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS IN THIS CONTEXT.
UH, I MEAN, I CERTAINLY THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY, UH, ADOPT SAS RECOMMENDED FINDINGS, BUT, UM, THIS SEEMS LIKE IT MAY BE A BIT OF A PROBLEM WHERE THERE IS NO ONE TO EVEN ENFORCE THE ACTION ON MEANINGFULLY, ESPECIALLY IF THE FAMILY ISN'T TAKING THAT TITLE OR I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHERE THE WILL HAS GONE.
UM, YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS MIGHT BE A SITUATION THAT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY INFLUENCE THEM VERY WELL ON.
UM, COMMISSIONER SLUGO AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I, I, I WAS ABOUT TO, UH, DO THE MOTION, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE WE'D RUN INTO SOME SITUATION LIKE THIS.
UH, THERE ARE TWO, I THINK, BELIEVE TWO, UH, MEETINGS AGO WITH A DECEASED, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, IN WHICH IN THE SORT OF, UH, REMAINING LIVING RELATIVES WERE NOT ABLE TO PUT IN A PROPERTY ORDER.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THE, THE SAMUEL UM, THE SAMUEL, UH, LES IS NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY CANNOT DO GET ANY PERMITS FOR ANY BUILDING OR ANY REPAIRS ON ANY OF THE PROPERTIES.
IS THAT CORRECT? WOULD YOU SAY INSPECTOR? UM, SOME OF THESE ISSUES THEY MAY NOT NEED TO GET A PERMIT
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ON, UH, LIKE THE, THE SOFFIT UH, THE, UM, CIA SATE SOFFIT.IF HE'S JUST DOING REPAIRS ON THAT, YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT.
UH, IF HE'S REPLACING, UH, THE DECKING ON THE ROOF, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT WOULD NEED A PERMIT.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, REPLACING SHINGLES, YOU WOULDN'T NEED A PERMIT.
SO THERE'S SOME ITEMS, UM, THAT WE'RE ASKING HIM TO DO THAT PROBABLY DON'T NEED PERMITS.
BUT THE REPAIRS WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED COMP, IT'S, IT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE TO COMPLETE ALL OF THE REPAIRS NECESSARY TO PER, TO AVOID FINES WITHOUT A PERMIT, WHICH IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NOT NECESSARILY.
LIKE I SAID, IF THE EXTENT OF THE REPAIRS, HE CAN PROBABLY REPAIR THE THINGS, UM, TO THE EXTENT WHERE YOU WOULDN'T NEED A PERMIT.
UM, BUT IF YOU WERE TO MAKE MORE EXTENSIVE REPAIRS AND POSSIBLY YOU'D NEED A PERMIT.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SCOPE OF THE WORK.
I ALSO GET INTO, UH, LOOKING AT IT, BUT YOUR POINT IS THAT, THAT THIS ORDER COULD BE FULFILLED WITHOUT THE REMAINING RELATIVES GETTING A PERMIT.
AND I, I CAN DEFER TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ALSO SPEAK ON THAT.
HI, TODD WILCOX, CITY OF AUSTIN BUILDING OFFICIAL.
SO YEAH, GENERAL CONTRACTORS OR A, ANYBODY THAT'S HIRED BY THE FAMILY CAN PULL A CONTRACT IF THEY'RE REGISTERED AS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FAMILY MEMBER, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE OWNER.
THE ONLY THING IT WOULD ELIMINATE IN THE PERMITTING SCHEME, IF THIS NEW PERSON LIVING THERE IS NOT THE OWNER ON T C A D AND CAN'T CLAIM HOMESTEAD, THEY COULDN'T PULL A HOMESTEAD PERMIT, BUT ALL OF THEIR PERMITS COULD BE PULLED BY REGISTERED CONTRACTORS.
YOU CAN GO TARA, OTHERWISE I'LL DO A MOTION.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN REMEMBER MY QUESTION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING'S BEEN ANSWERED SATISFACTORILY TO ME.
UM, IF WE HAVE AN ORDER TONIGHT, SINCE IT APPEARS THAT FAMILY MEMBERS ACTUALLY LIVING ON THE PROPERTY, THIS SHOULD ACTUALLY HELP THEM BE ABLE TO TAKE QUICKER ACTION TO SORT OUT THE TITLE AND INHERITANCE AND ALL THAT.
SO I THINK WE CAN CONFIDENTLY, UH, TAKE SOME ACTION TONIGHT.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
WHAT'S THAT? UH, IT, UM, COMMISSIONER FRANCIS, THAT WAS YOU.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SLUGO.
AND IS THERE ANYONE THAT OBJECTS TO CLOSING THE PUBLIC PART OF THE HEARING? UH, NO.
SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PART OF THAT HEARING.
UH, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, GO AHEAD.
UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO ADOPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN ITS ENTIRETY.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE HEARING AND ADOPT STAFF'S PROPOSED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS LAW IN THE RECOMMENDED ORDER.
UM, ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS ONE.
UM, THE VOTE CARRIES AND THEY'LL GET THE ORDER IN THE MAIL.
NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA.
AND I HAD ALREADY ADMITTED THE EXHIBITS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, UH, MADAM CHAIR, IN ORDER TO, UM, UN TABLING A AN ITEM REQUIRES A MOTION IN A SECOND, UM, I, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THAT.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO RECOMMEND THAT WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
GIVEN THE PROPERTY OWNER MADE AN ATTEMPT TO APPEAR AND THEN SEEMED TO HAVE SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT PREVENTED THEM FROM PROVIDING THEIR TESTIMONY FOR THEIR CASE, UM, UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE POSTPONE.
SO ARE WE GOING TO UN TABLE IT TO THEN DISCUSS A POSTPONEMENT? YES.
SO I HAD COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL, I HAVE COMMISSIONER OR STILL, OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION OF WHETHER WE NEEDED TO UNT IT BEFORE, UH, MOTIONING TO POSTPONE.
CAN WE DO THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME?
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COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL? UH, IN THAT CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO UNT UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHUGART ON THAT ONE.
SO I'M GONNA GO AROUND OF COURSE.
LUGO IN FAVOR? I'M IN FAVOR TOO.
VICE JEFF FERRERA ENTHUSIASTICALLY.
I MOVED, I MOVED TO POSTPONE THIS AGENDA ITEM UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
ALRIGHT, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO TO SEPTEMBER BY COMMISSIONER ESTO LUGO.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER TOAD, HOW DO YOU VOTE? I VOTE.
COMMISSIONER SHUGART IN FAVOR? UH, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL? AYE.
SO THAT AGENDA ITEM WILL COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THE PHONE IS FULLY CHARGED BY THEN.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSIONER AND COUNCIL MORE SPECIFICALLY.
IS THERE, IS IT, IS IT, IS IT ALLOWABLE FOR A STAFF, A MOTION WHERE PEOPLE IT'S ASSUMED YOU'RE IN FAVOR UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED JUST TO SPEED THINGS UP? 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN MAYOR WATSON DO THAT IN COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO WITH ROBERT RULES OF ORDER.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD DO THAT JUST TO SPEED UP SOME OF THESE, UH, PROFORMA MOTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO QUITE OFTEN.
IS THAT EVEN LEGAL? I SECOND THAT.
NO, I'M SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING TO COMMISSIONER FRANCIS JOB, UM,
UM, BUT, UH, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY ABLE TO, WE CAN GO THROUGH KIND OF A ROBERT'S RULES SUMMARY AS WELL DURING THE RETREAT IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS COMING UP.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS TABLING ITEMS LIKE TAKING TIME ITEMS OFF THE TABLE, APPROVING MINUTES, UM, WE NEED VOICE VOTES, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MEMBERS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
BUT OTHERWISE, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO JUST DO, UM, KINDA A ALL IN FAVOR, UM, MOTION AS WELL.
WE'LL DISCUSS IT MORE, BUT I LIKE THAT IDEA.
JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.
SO BY VOICE VOTE, DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEAN ROLL CALL? DOES EVERY, SORRY.
WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE FOR THE VIRTUAL MEMBERS AND, UM, OTHERWISE WE CAN DO A VOICE VOTE FOR, UM, NON CASE RELATED ITEMS. SO, UM, PROCEDURAL ITEMS LIKE THE MINUTES AND TABLING AND, AND, UM, CLOSING HEARINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT DON'T REQUIRE ROLL CALL.
SO WE DO THE ABBREVIATED VOTES FOR THOSE.
UM, WE DO HAVE ONE LAST THING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WHICH IS DISCUSSED IN THE RETREAT.
[6. Discussion regarding a 2023 Commission retreat.]
ON THE AGENDA IS A, UH, DISCUSSION REGARDING A POSSIBLE COMMISSION RETREAT LAST DECEMBER.WE DISCUSSED HOLDING A RETREAT IN 2023, AND IT WAS DECIDED TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION SO THAT NEWLY APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS COULD ATTEND.
IT IS NOW AUGUST AND WE ARE STILL TWO COMMISSIONERS SHORT, BUT NOT IT APPROPRIATE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SCHEDULING A, A RETREAT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, IN YOUR GOOGLE DRIVE, UH, FOLDER, WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME CALENDAR PAGES FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, UH, TO CONSIDER POTENTIAL DATES AND, UM, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO SELECT SEVERAL DATES THAT COULD WORK.
UM, AND WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT LOCATIONS.
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CONSIDERATION, CAN I PROPOSE WE LOOK AT THE WEEK OF THE 20, THE DATES TO 23RD TO THE 26TH AND SEE IF THAT WORKS WITH EVERYONE'S CALENDAR OR WHAT DAYS WORK? UH, NO, OF OCTOBER.UH, OH, THERE'S A PROBLEM ALREADY WITH THAT 20, UH, I BELIEVE OUR, UH, COMMISSION MEETING IS THE 25TH.
UM, MAYBE WE CAN GET THE, GET, UH, C T M TO MOVE THE CALENDAR TO NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.
NOT ABOUT OUR, OR THE RETREAT.
WELL, I MEAN, OCTOBER IS OPEN AS WELL.
I'M JUST SAYING KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU'LL HAVE A MEETING ON OCTOBER THE 25TH, I BELIEVE.
SO WE HAVE NO MEETING IN NOVEMBER? CORRECT.
SO WELL, LET'S LOOK AT NOVEMBER MAYBE.
YEAH, I'M OUT OF THE COUNTRY MOST OF OCTOBER, DEFINITELY TILL THE END OF OCTOBER.
CAN WE LOOK AT, UM, OUT OF THE COUNTRY MOST OF NOVEMBER AS WELL? THIRD THROUGH THE 26TH? YEAH.
CAN WHAT ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER? HMM, BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.
OR ANY DAY AFTER THE 26TH AS WELL, THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER OR, OR DECEMBER ONWARD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HOW ABOUT NOVEMBER ONE? WHEN YOU SAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY
AT, AT, AT LEAST DURING THAT MONTH.
YOU CAN DO, CAN YOU DO A THURSDAY OR FRIDAY? UH, FRIDAYS ARE PRETTY MUCH ALL AVAILABLE FOR ME.
I COULD PROBABLY DO NOVEMBER 3RD OR FRIDAY.
HOW IS NOVEMBER 3RD FOR EVERYONE? I'M FLYING OUT ON THE THIRD.
I POTENTIALLY STRESSED, UM, THE PREVIOUS FRIDAY, THE 27TH OF OCTOBER.
UM, NOVEMBER 2ND DOESN'T WORK.
I CAN DO, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
I, I COULD ALSO DO, OH, OKAY, PERFECT.
I'M SURE THIS WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED, BUT I MUST HAVE MISSED IT.
UM, WHAT ALL DOES THE RETREAT ENTAIL IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH TIME AND WHAT ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE COVERING? IT'S A REFRESHER COURSE FOR COMMISSIONERS FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO LEARN, ALSO LEARN, UM, MORE ABOUT THE OBJECTIVES OF THE COMMISSION ITSELF.
ANYTHING ELSE STAFF WANTS TO ADD AND THEN THEY FEED US AS WELL.
OH, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL BE LEARNING ABOUT THE ROBERT RULES OF ORDER AS WELL.
I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO REALLY GET MORE OF THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT WE DO, LIKE HOW THINGS ARRIVE HERE, WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, AND JUST HELP PULL MORE TOGETHER WHAT WE DO HERE.
SO I JUST TO ENCOURAGE YOU THAT IT REALLY WAS VERY BENEFICIAL TO DO.
I'M SURE IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL.
I'M SORRY, I, WHEN I HEAR RETREAT, I DIDN'T GET TO GO TO THE LAST ONE.
I THINK WHEN I CAME IN IT HAD BEEN CANCELED FROM COVID OR I'M NOT SURE.
BUT, UM, IS IT WHEN I HEAR RETREAT, I THINK LIKE A OVERNIGHT OR ARE WE TALKING A COUPLE HOURS A DAY TIME TO GET IT TO SCHULTZES, BUT I'M NOT KIDDING.
WE'RE ALL GONNA GO TO GORDON LAKE TRAVIS.
THAT'S, WELL, HONESTLY, I, THAT'S NOT THAT KIND.
I, I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
I I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN HOUR LONG MEETING OR A HALF DAY OF WORK OR A FULL DAY OR WHAT IS, WHAT DOES IT ENTAIL? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IT'S USUALLY ABOUT FOUR, FOUR HOURS.
I BELIEVE THE LAST, UM, RETREAT LAST A HALF DAY.
IT WAS FOUR HOURS OR SO AND WE HAD LUNCH.
NO, AND IT'LL GO BY FAST BECAUSE YOU'LL HEAR, YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THE BEHIND THE SCENES OF WHAT STAFF'S DOING AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE A LOT OF THE, UM, SUMMARY OF WHAT WENT ON IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND THEN ALSO WHAT ROLE WE PLAY.
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ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT? ABSOLUTELY.I MEAN, I WAS PICTURING A FEW NIGHTS IN THE HILL COUNTRY TOGETHER, BUT, UH, FOUR HOURS WORKS.
THAT'S, YEAH, YOU NEED TO ADJUST YOUR EXPECTATIONS.
UM, DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION? MADAM, MADAM CHAIR? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT NOVEMBER 2ND IS A CITY COUNCIL DAY.
THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO RESCHEDULE
HOW ABOUT FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST, THE, THE FRIDAY, DECEMBER 1ST? SOMEBODY SAID THAT WORKS FOR ME.
WAIT, IT'S FRIDAY, DECEMBER 1ST.
YOU GONNA HANG OUT TWICE? GET THAT OUT.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, THE DECEMBER MEETING IS ON THE SIXTH.
SO, SO THE FIRST WORKS, JUST WANTING TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THE DECEMBER MEETING IS NOT ON THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY.
WELL, UH, CERTAINLY FOR ME, UM, THAT DAY WOULD WORK BETTER.
FRIDAYS ARE JUST EASIER FOR ME THAN THURSDAYS.
I MEAN, WE COULD ALSO TRY DECEMBER.
OH WAIT NOW 'CAUSE YOU'RE, WHEN DO YOU COME BACK IN NOVEMBER? JUST NOVEMBER 26TH.
I'M SORRY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
THE DECEMBER MEETING IS ON THE SEVENTH, NOT THE SIXTH.
WE HAD TO MOVE IT FROM THE SIXTH BECAUSE THE, UH, FACILITY WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE RETREAT TECHNIC LIKE YEAH, JUST, UM, TENTATIVELY WE'LL HAVE RETREAT ON DECEMBER 1ST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK HERE FOR THE ACTUAL MONTHLY MEETING.
WAIT, CAN WE DO EIGHTS? PICK A FIRST CHOICE AND A SECOND CHOICE.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO CONFIRM A ROOM AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOLD THE MEETING.
SO DECEMBER 1ST IS OUR FIRST CHOICE AT NOON.
WHEN ARE YOU BACK IN OCTOBER, SHERIFF? I AM BACK OCTOBER 30TH.
HOW DOES OCTOBER 31ST SOUND FOR PROBABLY, NEVERMIND.
I WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER DAY? WE DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER DAY.
SO WE'LL LOOK IN OCTOBER AGAIN.
I THOUGHT WE GOT DECEMBER 1ST ALREADY.
HOW DOES IT OCTOBER 6TH SOUND FOR FOLKS? ARE YOU OCTOBER? I'M HERE.
HOW DOES OCTOBER 6TH SOUND FOLKS? FRIDAY, OCTOBER 5TH.
WHAT? THAT, THAT REACTION FROM VICE HERE SOUNDS LIKE A NO.
TRYING TO MOVE TOWARDS NOVEMBER.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEETINGS IF THAT WOULD WORK.
WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE NOVEMBER, IF THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER DOES NOT WORK, OCTOBER 6TH IS IN THE MORNING OR THE AFTERNOON JUST DOESN'T, I CAN'T DO IT IN THE MORNING.
THAT IS A C L IN CASE ANYONE HAS TICKETS.
JUST MIND YOU THAT THAT'S FRIDAY.
FRIDAYS ARE ALWAYS A BAD DAY FOR US.
UH, SPEAKING OF THAT, CAN I ACTUALLY JUST GET CLARIFICATION? WHERE IS THE RETREAT TYPICALLY HELD? UH, OKAY.
WE'VE GOTTA GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE AS FAR AS WHETHER WE HAVE TO HAVE IT VIDEOTAPED OR HOW WE HAVE TO HAVE IT RECORDED.
AND SO THAT WOULD DETERMINE THE LOCATION IF WE CAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT TELEVISED, THEN WE HAVE SOME MORE OPTIONS.
IF WE ONLY HAVE TO HAVE IT AUDIO TAPED, WE HAVE MORE OPTIONS.
SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT OUR, OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THAT.
WELL, IS NOVEMBER 10 A POSSIBILITY AT ALL? I BELIEVE NOT FOR ME.
MADAM CHAIR, AREN'T YOU GONNA BE OUT, UH, THE COMPANY? OH, WE COULD DO THE NOVEMBER 2ND DATE AS OUR SECOND CHOICE.
THAT WAS ORIGINALLY OUR FIRST CHOICE.
I I, I AM WILLING TO HAVE THAT NOVEMBER 2ND DATE AS THE SECOND CHOICE.
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NOVEMBER 2ND AGAIN? BECAUSE FRIDAYS ARE TYPICALLY EASIER.THE, UH, 10TH IS ACTUALLY A CITY HOLIDAY.
WE REAL THE 10TH OF, OF WHAT? SO MADAM CHAIR, CAN WE GO LOOK INTO MAYBE 2025? THE YEAR 20
WAIT, DOES NOVEMBER 1ST WORK? IS THAT WORKABLE? NOVEMBER 1ST? NOVEMBER? NO, NO.
THE WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 1ST IS OUR GO-TO.
NOVEMBER 1ST WOULD NOT OH YES.
DECEMBER 1ST SHOULD BE THE SECOND CHOICE.
WHAT ABOUT WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD? DID Y'ALL TALK ABOUT THAT DATE? YES.
YEAH, I'LL BE ON I OCTOBER 31ST.
AND YOU MENTIONED OCTOBER 27TH ALSO.
DOES DOES OCTOBER 6TH NOT WORK? WHAT? SO WHY DOES OCTOBER 6TH HALLOWEEN, OCTOBER 6TH, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? YEAH, THOSE OCTOBER 6TH.
OH, THAT WAS A C WE STAFF PREFERS THAT NOVEMBER.
UM, UH, CAN I, CAN I SUGGEST, UM, WAIT, UH, CLOSER TO NOVEMBER? UM, BUT WOULD, UH, OCTOBER 30TH BE GOOD FOR PEOPLE? AT LEAST SHE GETS BACK THE 30TH.
OH, 31ST WORKS IF YOU 31ST 31ST WORKS.
I, I I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
TUESDAY IS ALSO QUITE ROUGH FOR ME.
CAN WE GO DEEP INTO DECEMBER? YES.
WE COULD DO THE 31ST IN COSTUME.
I MEAN, SO, AND I ASSUME FOR BACKUP, WE WOULDN'T WANNA PICK ANOTHER DAY IN DECEMBER FOR BACKUP.
I MEAN, COULD DO NOVEMBER 30TH.
DECEMBER? NO, I'D SAY WE JUST DO 30TH AND THE CHAIR CAME.
SHE SAID SHE COULDN'T COME ON DECEMBER 8TH.
DOES DECEMBER 8TH WORK FOR FOLKS? THAT'S ON A FRIDAY.
UM, MELANIE, WHAT WAS THE DATE? DECEMBER 8TH.
IS THAT WORKABLE? UH, DECEMBER 8TH.
I WHEN IS OUR B SS C MEETING ON DECEMBER? IT'S THE SEVENTH'S.
SO I ASSUME WE COULD DO IT NOW HIGH, RIGHT? IT'S JUST FEW GUYS, I GUESS WOULD THAT, WOULD, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO DO IT THE NO DECEMBER 8TH? OR WOULD IT BE BETTER TO DO IT OCTOBER 6TH, SAY NOTED.
WHICH IS LESS BAD? WHICH IS LESS BAD? WHAT OF WHICH? DECEMBER 8TH OR OCTOBER 6TH? UH, OCTOBER 6TH.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.
I'M THINKING ABOUT THE CALENDAR FOR OCTOBER.
I THINK THE SIXTH WOULD BE OKAY.
UM, BUT I GUESS WHICH, WHICH IS PREFER PREFERABLE FOR STAFF, RIGHT.
DID THE DECEMBER 8TH, WHICH IS RIGHT AFTER A MEETING OR OCTOBER 6TH.
UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, QUITE SOON OBVIOUSLY.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK PROBABLY OCTOBER 6TH WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE RIGHT AFTER A MEETING, WE'RE HAVING TO PREPARE ORDERS AND DO, GET MAIL OUT READY.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF HARD TO DO ALL OF THAT AT ONCE.
NOW I'M HAPPY FOR SOMEBODY TO BREAK UP THE DOABLE.
IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE HAVE A GOOD BACKUP OVER OCTOBER 6TH.
UNLESS SOMEONE CAN COME OUT WITH SOME OTHER MORE CREATIVE SOLUTION AND, AND, UH, D OCTOBER 30TH AND 31ST WERE OUT, RIGHT? YES.
I WOULD ALSO PREFER THE SIXTH OF THOSE TWO.
WHAT HAPPENED WITH DECEMBER THE FIRST? YEAH, I'LL SAY THAT'S OUR FIRST, THAT'S OUR FIRST CHOICE.
DECEMBER, FINGERS CROSSED THAT HAPPENS.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OCTOBER 6TH AS THE SECOND CHOICE.
OCTOBER 6TH IS LIKE THE BAD A C BUT I KNOW IT'S ROUGH.
BUT SOMETIMES VICE CHAIR ONE AS LONG AS WE DO IN THE MORNINGS.
I MEAN, I, I, I HAD CONSIDERED NOVEMBER 30TH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WORKS FOR FOLKS.
ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK WE'VE REACHED CONTENTS.
I THINK WE HAVE THE TWO DATES.
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IF IT'S OCTOBER 6TH, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO NAVIGATE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC.UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OR, YEAH, ITEM, UH, NUMBER ADJOURNED.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE AGENDA IS
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, UM, UH, THERE IS NO FUTURE AGENDA ITEM CORRECT THERE.THERE IS, UM, NOW THERE'S 48 0 7 DUVAL, UH, TO BE HEARD IN SEPTEMBER DUVAL STREET, THE ONE WE JUST, UM, TABLED.
AND THEN IN OCTOBER WE HAVE TO BRING BACK UM, 1 1 6, 1 0 JANUARY DRIVE.
AND OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, WILL BE HELD WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2023.
AND THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AS OF SIX 50.
I MEAN 8:54 PM THANK YOU EVERYONE.