Sep 25, 2023 Parks and Recreation Board

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE PHIL THOMAS, FOLLOWED BY BERTHA AND DELGADO.

GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS CITIZENS.

I'M PHIL THOMAS, ONE OF THE, UH, DEEP POLY ADVOCATES AND A PREVIOUS, UH, EAST TOWN LAKE CITIZENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PARK PLANNING COMMITTEE MEMBER IN 2014, THE HOLLY EAST CESAR CHAVEZ NEIGHBORHOODS AND PARD COLLABORATED TO FORMULATE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE 90 ACRES ON THE NORTH LAKE SHORE BETWEEN I 35 AND PLEASANT VALLEY ROAD.

IT TOOK MONTHS OF CONSULTING, OUTREACH AND COMPROMISE TO REACH A CONSENSUS ON THE PARKS FUTURE.

INCLUDED IN THE 2014 HOLLY SHORES.

EDWARD REONE SENIOR PARK'S VISION PLAN WAS THE NASH FERNANDEZ BUILDING, WHICH WAS DESIGNATED FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, CELEBRATION OF LOCAL CULTURE, ART, AND HISTORY.

THERE WAS ALSO A KITCHEN AND SORELY NEEDED SPACE FOR PARD OFFICES.

AFTER INITIAL STABILIZATION AND REMEDIATION BY PARD.

BOND FUNDS BECAME AVAILABLE IN 2022 AND THEY LAUNCHED A DESIGN PHASE FOR THE NASH HERNANDEZ.

IT WAS SUDDENLY HALTED WHEN A GROUP OF RESEARCH, MEDICAL AND OTHER SPECIAL INTERESTS DECIDED THAT N H B WAS AVAILABLE FOR A PROJECT.

IT WAS PRESENTED AS A DERELICT BUILDING WITH NO FUTURE.

IT IS ANYTHING BUT THAT, THAT SAME YEAR, AN 11TH HOUR RESOLUTION WAS INTRODUCED BY AN OUTGOING COUNCIL MEMBER AND PASSED MANDATING A STUDY OF THE BUILDING'S SUITABILITY FOR AN INTERGENERATIONAL DAYCARE CENTER, A SO-CALLED IRAQ.

THE COMPLETED STUDY IS ASSERTED THAT THE IRAQ WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE NAND BUILDING.

ONE REASON IS THAT DAYCARE, BE IT CHILD OR SENIOR, IS NOT A LEGAL USE FOR A PARK.

FOR AN IRAQ USE THE BUILDING AND GROUNDS MUST BE UNDEDICATED AS PARKLANDS.

THIS MEANS THAT PART OF OUR 90 ACRE PARK WILL NO LONGER BE PARKLAND.

IRAQ ADVISORY BOARD NEGLECTS TO MENTION THIS IMPORTANT FACT.

THERE IS ALSO A PRESUMPTION FOR A FREE LONG-TERM LEASE, BUT THAT TERM IS NOT DEFINED.

MOREOVER, PER THE CITY'S THE CITY'S FEASIBILITY STUDY, IRAQ ESTIMATED THE FUNDING NEEDS FOR LAUNCH.

THE ESTIMATED FUNDINGS ARE WOEFULLY UNDERESTIMATED, EVEN INCLUDING THE IRAQ ADVISORY BOARD'S PROPOSED EXPROPRIATION OF $3.3 MILLION OF PARD FUNDS PREVIOUSLY EARMARKED FOR THE NASH

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HERNANDEZ BUILDING.

THE NASH HERNANDEZ BUILDING FUTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN PLANNED.

THE PARD HOLLY SHORES VISION PLAN FULFILLS PARS CORE MISSION.

IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, IT'S SUSTAINABLE, IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, AND MAINTAINS A TRANQUIL PARK WITH ACCESS FOR ALL.

IDEALLY, WE WOULD LOVE THIS BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ISSUE TO SUPPORT PARD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD VISION, WHICH IS MOVING AHEAD WITH THE ORIGINAL MASTER VISION PLAN.

IF THIS BOARD WILL NOT CONSIDER SUCH A VOTE.

FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE RECORD, THE NEIGHBORS REPRESENTED HERE DO NOT SUPPORT THE USE OF N H B FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE VISION PLAN THAT WAS EXTENSIVELY VETTED, RATIFIED, AND ADOPTED BY FULL CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, MS. DELGADO.

PERDON DELGADO, FOLLOWED BY SHARON BLYTHE.

GOOD EVENING.

I, UH, JUST WANNA BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF PARKLAND.

I ALSO HAVE BEEN IN, UM, LISTENING TO A COUPLE OF THESE MEETINGS THESE LAST THREE MONTHS.

AND I'VE ALSO HEARD, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS 90 ACRE PARKLAND EAST OF 35, UH, THE BOUNDARIES, UM, OF THE 90 ACRES DOES HAVE AN APPROPRIATE LEGAL NAME.

AND THAT'S THE EDWARD RENDON HOLLY SHORES MASTER PLAN.

I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE IDENTIFYING MY GRANDFATHER'S PARK, EDWARD RENDON SR.

AT HOLLY AT THE HOLLY SHORES FESTIVAL BEACH AREA.

I DON'T HEAR THAT, THAT TERM BEING USED HERE, UH, AT, IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

I DON'T HEAR THAT.

I WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE BRING THE MASTER PLAN TO YOU ALL NEXT MONTH AND MORE RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO COME AND SPEAK, UH, IN BEHALF OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2013.

I WANT THIS NEW DAAS AND THESE NEW BOARD MEMBERS, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NEW TO AUSTIN, TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THE EDWARD RENDON PARK AND THE MASTER PLAN THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT JUST HEARING ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ABOUT THIS BEAUTIFICATION OF THIS PARK AREA, I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON IT AND MAKE MONEY.

CONCESSIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED OF PROPOSALS BEING PRESENTED AND LOBBIED CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE IRAQ.

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT US REINVENTING THE WILL AS THIS WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE NATIVES AND THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA WHERE THIS PARK IS ADJACENT TO.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL GIVE THE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT HOW BEAUTIFUL THAT PARK IS AND THE NEGOTIATION OF, UM, TRADING IT FOR ANY TYPE OF PILOT PROGRAM OR ANY TYPE OF PROFITABLE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S PUBLIC HEALTH OR ANY OTHER ENTITY LIKE CENTRAL HEALTH THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING SUED.

THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING SUED FOR POORLY SERVING, UH, THE PEOPLE OF COLOR AND, AND THE HEALTH INDUSTRY.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A HUGE HEALTH CRISIS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING A PARTIAL OF 25.3 ACRES OF PARKLAND AND TRADING IT OFF WITH AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH AND CORPORATIONS THAT ARE UNDER, UH, LAWSUIT INVESTIGATIONS WITH THE TRAVIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT, IT BRINGS A BIG RED FLAG TO ALL OF US THAT ARE PAYING, UH, TAXES HERE IN AUSTIN.

HOW IS OUR MONEY BEING USED? WHAT IS OUR MONEY BEING USED FOR? AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN TO CREATING THIS VISION FOR NASH FERNANDEZ, OUR WORK IS NOT BEING RESPECTED OR VALUED.

WE WILL BE HERE NEXT MONTH WITH OUR PRESENTATION AND OUR OPPOSITION AGAINST IRAQ TAKING THIS PIZZA PARK AWAY FROM US.

A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT THEY'RE NOT WATERING OUT THERE.

THANK YOU, MS. SHARON BLYTHE, FOLLOWED BY MIKE KANATI AND THEN MIKE KANATI, FOLLOWED BY KAREN KREPPS.

I'M SH I'M SHARON BLYTHE.

UM, I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE CITY CEMETERIES FOR ABOUT 33 YEARS.

UM, I WANNA APPLAUD THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT.

I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE.

I HAVEN'T MET MOST OF YOU, BUT THEY HAVE DONE WONDERFUL PRESENTATIONS AND I HOPE YOU TAKE WHAT THEY SAID TO HEART.

I'M HERE BECAUSE I SEE NOTHING ON YOUR AGENDA ABOUT PUBLIC TREES AND HOW THEY'RE DYING IN THE CITY PARKS AND THE CITY CEMETERIES.

I WAS APPALLED WHEN I WENT TO AUSTIN MEMORIAL PARK

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THEY WEREN'T WATERING AT ALL.

AND NOW THEY BEGAN TO TRY TO HAND WATER A LITTLE BIT.

THEY'RE NOT USING THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM BECAUSE WHILE AUSTIN WA UH, AUSTIN WATER TURNED IT OFF FOR SOME KIND OF CODE VIOLATION AND THERE'S KIND OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CITY CEMETERY, UH, MANAGEMENT AND, AND AUSTIN WATER, I ASKED MY CITY COUNCIL PERSON, MCKENZIE KELLY TO JUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS.

SHE, ALL SHE DID WAS TALK TO KEN KIMBERLY MCNEELY AND KIMBERLY KIND OF BLEW HER OFF AND SAID, OH, WELL, WE'RE JUST WORKING ON IT.

WELL, THE TREES ARE DYING.

AND I THINK THAT'S Y'ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY IN THE PARKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TREES ARE NOT DYING.

YOU TALK ABOUT A HEAT ISLAND GETTING WORSE, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.

SO PLEASE STEP IN THERE AND TRY TO SAVE THESE TREES.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY DYING IN THE CITY, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE CEMETERIES, BUT ALL THE PARKS ARE SUFFERING.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL CAN DO ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S GETTING, GETTING TO BE A, A CRITICAL SITUATION WITH THE TREES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO WE, OH, NOT NEXT SPEAKER.

MIKE KANATI, FOLLOWED BY KAREN KREPPS.

AND THAT WILL BE THE LAST FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

A GREEN PARKS BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M MIKE KANATI.

I'M WITH THE BARTON SPRINGS CONSERVANCY.

I'M HERE GENERALLY TO COMMEND THE PARKS, STAFF AND CITY STAFF TO YOU, UH, FOR THEIR DILIGENCE, PASSION, AND EXPERTISE ON A NUMBER OF MATTERS YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

AND I HOPE THAT THE PARKS BOARD WILL LOOK AT THEM IN A FAVORABLE LIGHT TO SUPPORT THE STAFF WHO DOES A LOT OF GREAT WORK IN OUR CITY.

UM, I HOPE THAT YOUR FIRST INSTINCT IS ALWAYS TO SUPPORT THE STAFF AND MAYBE NOT HINDER THEIR WORK.

UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS IN TONIGHT'S MEETING THAT I THINK DESERVE YOUR SUPPORT.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ITEM TWO IS, UH, I GUESS RELATING TO A TREE AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

AND I'VE, I CAN SAY FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THAT THE STAFF HAS GONE OUTTA THEIR WAY TO GET FOUR DIFFERENT ARBORISTS TO LOOK AT THE ISSUES HERE.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL ABOUT STEPPING ON ANY FEET AND, AND OFFENDING ANYBODY, AND IT HASN'T REALLY WORKED NO MATTER WHAT.

BUT I THINK THAT THEY HAVE DONE THEIR VERY BEST TO HANDLE THAT SITUATION THE BEST THEY COULD.

UH, ITEM SEVEN IS ANOTHER ITEM WHERE THERE WAS A RESOLUTION PROPOSING TO DELAY THE PROGRESS OF THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE.

THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN UNDERWAY SINCE AT LEAST 2014, AND OUR GROUP, THE BAR SPRINGS CONSERVANCY, WAS FORMED IN THAT TIME TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON THIS PROJECT.

CONSTRUCTION IS HOPEFULLY STARTING THIS WINTER.

I THINK THE WINTER 2024 COULD REFER TO JANUARY IF WE'RE LUCKY.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT ANY DELAY WILL ADD TO THE COST AND FRUSTRATE THE PUBLIC'S DESIRE TO HAVE A FUNCTIONING AND IMPROVED BATHHOUSE.

THE PARKS BOARD HAS BEEN UPDATED OVER THIS PROJECT FOR THE MANY YEARS.

IT HAS BEEN UNDERWAY, AND FRANKLY, I'M CONCERNED THAT ANY LAST MINUTE DELAY HERE IS REALLY NOT HELPING THE SITUATION AS A, AS A CITY'S PARTNER IN FUNDING THIS PROJECT.

I WOULD HOPE THAT THE PARKS BOARD MEMBERS SEEKING TO DELAY THIS PROJECT WOULD'VE CONTACTED US AS A COURTESY AS A CITY'S PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT PARKS BOARD MEMBER READ, YOU KNOW, HOW TO REACH ME, WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TOGETHER.

I WOULD APPRECIATE BEING NOTIFIED IF YOU THINK THAT THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT NEEDS TO BE DELAYED.

I HOPE YOU WILL NOT DO THAT TONIGHT.

I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE LEGACY OF THE PARKS BOARD THAT WE'RE DELAYING OR EVEN STOPPING THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT.

THAT IS ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HELLO, I'M KAREN KREPPS.

I SWIM AT BARTON SPRINGS EVERY DAY THAT I CAN.

AND I HAVE A VERY INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GRASS.

'CAUSE I PUT MY YOGA MAT OUT, USUALLY BETWEEN THE STAIRS AND I'VE BEEN AWAY FOR FOUR MONTHS.

I JUST CAME BACK YESTERDAY AND I'M REALLY SHOCKED BY HOW MUCH BARE SPACE THERE IS ON THE, ON THE LAWNS.

UM, I KNOW HOW OVERUSED THE POOL HAS BEEN BECAUSE OF THE HEAT WAVE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST USAGE THAT'S HURTING THE GRASS.

I REALLY BELIEVE IT'S THE MOWING.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE COME UP HERE TO RAIL AGAINST THE MOWING, BUT BRINGING THOSE BIG MACHINES IN THERE AS FREQUENTLY AS HAPPENS, JUST KILLS THE LAWN.

THEY'RE TOO BIG FOR THAT KIND OF DELICATE GRASS AND THEY DRIVE AROUND RATHER RECKLESSLY BLOWING UP ALL KINDS OF, IT'S NOT JUST IN THE POOL, BUT ALL OVER THE PARK BLOWING UP CLOUDS OF DUST.

AND IT'S LIKE IN THIS HOT SUN, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE CREW CUT.

YOU WANNA HAVE A HAT ON AND SOME PROTECTION, AND THAT'S WHAT THE GRASS DOES.

SO I'M BEGGING YOU PLEASE SAVE MONEY.

DON'T MOW THE GRASS SO OFTEN.

UM, AND THERE'S JUST A GENERAL FEELING THAT I HAVE AND I'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER SWIMMERS THAT THE POOL AREA HAS BEEN INTENTIONALLY NEGLECTED AND MISMANAGED, SO THAT OVER AND OVER WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO OUTSIDE OR PRIVATE SOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND I THINK THAT WE ARE BIG PEOPLE, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE PARK OURSELVES, AND I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ON TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

WE'RE NOW MOVING

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

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WE'VE EACH ALL, WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES AND THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDED IN BACKUP AS WELL.

THE MEETING, THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE AUGUST 28TH, 2023 MEETING.

I'LL GIVE Y'ALL A MOMENT.

I'LL GIVE THE BOARD A MOMENT TO LOOK OVER THAT AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER 11.

TED GORDON'S LAST NAME IS MISSPELLED.

IT'S WITH AN O, NOT AN I.

SO G O R D O N.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE MEETING MINUTES? OKAY, SO WITHOUT ANY OTHER CHANGES, UH, DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENT MADE BY BOARD MEMBER FLOWERS? UH, THE MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 28TH, 2023.

I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE MADE BY BOARD MEMBER FLOWERS.

OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER REED.

IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND.

THERE'S A SECOND.

AND DISCUSSION ON THE BARTON SPRINGS POOL COUNTRY KNOWN AS FLOW.

UH, 5 6, 7 0.

UH, THE MOTION PASSES.

UH, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

UM, ARE MY MAIN MINUTES HERE? WE'RE OKAY.

WE'RE NOW MOVING TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. PRESENTATION

[2. Presentation and discussion on the Barton Springs Pool Pecan Tree known as “Flo”. (Sponsors: Reed, Bazan)]

UM, AT THIS TIME, UH, WE WILL HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ON THIS SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM.

UH, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER, UH, FIRST SPEAKER ON TELECONFERENCE? JACQUELINE THOMAS, FOLLOWED BY BILL BUNCH.

WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO BILL BUNCH, FOLLOWED BY BILL OLIVER.

BILL OLIVER.

BILL OLIVER, FOLLOWED BY KAREN KREPPS.

KAREN KREPPS.

AS I WAS SAYING, I DO HAVE AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT AREA AND THE TREE, WHICH I'VE NEVER HEARD CALLED FLOW BEFORE.

AND A LOT OF US SWIMMERS ARE WONDERING WHERE THAT NAME CAME FROM.

I MOSTLY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR, YOU INTERACT WHEN, IF I ASK QUESTIONS OR I CAN JUST PUT THEM TO YOU AND ASK FOR THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

UM, I'M WONDERING, GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE TREATY OAK SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THE PUBLIC OUTCRY AGAINST CUTTING DOWN A TREE TOO FAST, WHY IS THERE NOW A HURRY TO, AND I KNOW YOU DID EXTEND IT, YOU DIDN'T CUT IT DOWN LAST WEEK.

PARANOID ABOUT HOW THE PARK IS BEING MANAGED.

BUT WHY IS THERE SO MUCH URGENCY? WHY IS THERE SUDDENLY A, A CRISIS IF THE POOL, IF THIS TREE IS GOING TO CAUSE DIS HURT SOMEBODY? HOW MANY TREES HAVE FALLEN ON PEOPLE AND HURT THEM IN THE PARK? DO YOU HAVE STATISTICS ABOUT THAT? HOW MUCH HAS THE CITY BEEN SUED OVER IT? UM, I'M ALSO WONDERING HOW MANY OTHER TREES HAVE THIS BRITTLE FUNGUS THAT IS NOW AFFECTING THE TREE KNOWN AS FLOW.

UM, I'M WONDERING WHETHER, UM, THOSE, THOSE BARRIERS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE WATER ARE REALLY AN ASSET.

I THINK THAT THEY CAUSE A LOT OF SUCH CROWDING IN AN ALREADY CONGESTED PART OF THE POOL BETWEEN THE DIVING BOARD WHERE IT NARROWS DOWN THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE RUNNING INTO EACH OTHER.

I GOT HIT IN THE HEAD TODAY BECAUSE IT WAS SO CROWDED.

UM, I THINK IT'S OVERKILL AND PANIC IS BASICALLY MY OPINION.

AND I'M ALSO WONDERING WHETHER, UM, WHETHER THERE'S A RUMOR THAT I'VE ALREADY HEARD JUST SINCE I CAME BACK, THAT THIS IS ALL PART OF A PLAN.

THE PLAN TO RENOVATE THE BATHHOUSE BY THOSE TERRIBLE DESIGNERS LIMB FREE AND GOT LIMBO AND GODFREY.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A, A LONG-TERM PLAN TO PUT SOME KIND OF EXTENDED DECK OUT IN FRONT OF THE BATHHOUSE FOR SEATING AND WHETHER FLOW IS SOMEHOW CONNECTED WITH THAT.

I JUST FOLLOWING THE MISGUIDED VISION PLAN, I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE BECOME VERY

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I ALSO HEARD THAT THE REASON THAT THIS TREE HAS THE FUNGUS IS BECAUSE IT WAS BA BADLY WATERED THAT WATER WAS BEING THROWN ON THE TRUNK.

AND THAT'S NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

THE WATER'S JUST SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE ROOTS.

SO I JUST THINK IT RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

AND BEFORE ANY CHANGE SAWS COME OUT, PLEASE TRY TO GET ANSWERS TO THOSE.

WE'RE GONNA CALL THE FIRST THREE AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONES.

THAT SIDE UP.

UM, SO JACQUELINE THOMAS WAS ONLINE.

SHE IS NOT BILL BUNCH, BILL OLIVER.

AND THEN AFTER BILL OLIVER WILL BE MARK WEILER.

WANT TO GIVE YOU A SECOND? I'M THERE.

YOU OKAY? OKAY.

THIS RIGHT APPROACH THE DESK.

GOOD EVENING.

WOW.

WHAT A ROLLERCOASTER.

YOU GUYS HAVE HAD BOARD MEMBERS, MAN, EXCITING TIMES.

NEWBIES.

OH MY GOSH.

HERE'S A SONG FROM A SONG.

HOW DO, HOW LONG DO WE HAVE? 60 HOURS.

60 MINUTES.

WHAT IS HIS NAME? THREE MINUTES WHAT? THREE MINUTES.

OH.

THIS IS A SONG BY A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, A SONGWRITER FROM W HATCHING NAMED JIM BUSH.

IT'S A TREE SONG BY JIM BUSH.

AND I DOCTORED UP THE ENDING JUST FOR YOU GUYS.

I NEVER WAS GOOD CUTTING DOWN TREES.

COULDN'T STAND THE SOUND ON.

THEY WENT TO THEIR KNEES.

HAD TO GIVE IT ALL UP.

JUST WASN'T ME.

I'LL WAIT FOR THE TREES TO GROW TALL.

IT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER, BUT I'VE GOT THE TIME, THE FEEL AND GROWS STRONG.

LIKE THE OLD GROWTH PINE.

GO OUT ON THE TREES, TRY SOME TIME.

SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TALK WITH THE TREES.

LET WHY I'M A TREE HUGGER.

I'M A TREE LOVER.

SON OF A BIRD.

YOU GOT A RED WOODEN MOTHER ON A FRIEND OF THE TREES.

SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE TREES.

THEY MAKE US COOLER.

THEY MAKE US SING LIKE A MOCKING BIRD, RESTING HER WINGS WHILE WE'RE DOING THE BACKSTROKE IN BARTON SPRINGS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOVING THIS TREE.

SO NONE OF US HAVE EVER KNOWN BARTON SPRINGS WITHOUT THIS TREE.

NEXT SPEAKER IS MARK WEILER, FOLLOWED BY DIANE DANA HAGER, MARK WEILER.

CALLING DANA HAGER TO SPEAK, FOLLOWED BY TERRY ADAMS. HI, I AM DIANA HAGER AND KAREN ALREADY ADDRESSED MY ISSUES.

MY QUE I JUST HAVE FOUR SIMPLE QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWERS TODAY.

IF YOU DO, THAT'D BE GREAT TO HEAR THEM.

UM, ARE THERE PLANS FOR A BIG DECK AREA FOR SEATING AROUND THE NEW BATHHOUSE? IS IT THE CASE THAT FLOW IS IN THE WAY OF THAT? IS THAT A REASON PARD WANTS TO MOVE SO QUICKLY ON CUTTING DOWN THAT TREE? WOULD THEY RENT THAT DECK OUT FOR PRIVATE PARTIES? THANK YOU.

FINAL SPEAKER FOR ITEM TWO IS TERRY ADAMS. HEY.

SO, UM, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, UM, I'VE SPENT SOME TIME AT THE PARK, AT THE POOL, WITH THE TREE, UM, TRYING TO, UM, GET A REAL FEEL FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING AND, UM, ALSO LISTENING TO THE, UM, THE LIFEGUARDS.

UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THIS ISSUE BEST ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SWIM THERE, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.

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UM, THIS TREE IS OLDER THAN ALL OF US, SO, UM, THIS TREE HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT.

AND, UM, IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A TREE AS I THOUGHT IT WAS.

THE TREE BEHIND IT IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS, UM, THE CANOPY THAT YOU SEE IN THE PHOTOS.

UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A MAJOR OBSTRUCTION, UM, CREATED BY BARRICADES THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE ERECTED.

SO IN MY OPINION, ONCE THOSE BARRICADES WENT UP, UM, THE TREE WAS, WAS BASICALLY, UM, UNSAL UNSALVAGEABLE.

UM, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE ARE ALREADY TASKED WITH THE MOST, UM, ONE OF THE MORE DANGEROUS JOBS, UM, THAT YOU CAN HAVE IN PARKS.

UM, WHEN I WAS THERE YESTERDAY, THERE WERE LIKE THREE STATES IN AN HOUR.

UM, THEY'RE ONLY PAID 2150 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

2125.

THAT'S, UM, THAT'S CRIMINAL.

THEY SHOULD BE MAKING LIKE TWICE THAT PROBABLY.

UM, WHAT THEY'RE ASKED TO DO IS NOTHING SHORT OF HEROIC.

SO WE CAN'T BE HAVING THE SAFETY ISSUE IN THEIR WORKSPACE.

SO I FEEL LIKE THE LIFEGUARD SHOULD HAVE THE MOST SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TREE.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY, ONCE THE BARRIER WENT UP, IT CREATED A, A, UM, SITUATION WHERE IT FEELS DANGEROUS, SO IT FEELS LIKE, UM, SOMETHING MIGHT FALL.

AND, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

I WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE LIKE A RATIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND THEN IT WASN'T GOING TO TURN INTO SOME KIND OF PROXY WAR, UM, OVER, YOU KNOW, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SENTIMENTAL FEELINGS ABOUT THE TREE AND PEOPLE WHO, UM, WANT TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOGICAL, LIKE, UM, THE THING THAT, UM, NOBODY WANTS TO DO.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T TRUST OUR PARKS LEADERSHIP.

AND SO THEY DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

AND THE PARKS BOARD DOESN'T EITHER BECAUSE Y'ALL BETRAYED US.

SO THAT'S OUR SITUATION.

WAS THAT THE LAST SPEAKER ON THIS AGENDA? ADAM? THANK YOU.

UM, WE'LL NOW HEAR, UH, PRESENTATION DISCUSSION ON BARTON SPRINGS POOL COUNTRY KNOWN AS FLOW.

UM, IS THERE A PRESENTATION? YES.

DIRECTOR MCNEELY.

AND REMIND ME OF HER NAME.

THINK IT'S JOSHUA.

E JOSHUA.

SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT WITH JOSHUA ERICKSON.

WE RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION ON AUGUST 15TH.

WHO IS OUR, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION PROGRAM MANAGER AND MYSELF.

SO WE'RE BOTH HERE TO PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION, UM, RELATED TO FLOW.

YES, PLEASE.

SO, HOPEFULLY, OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA REPEAT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE LAST TIME.

BUT AS YOU KNOW, OR YOU MAY HAVE REMEMBERED FROM OUR LAST PRESENTATION, THIS IS A 46 INCH DIAMETER PECAN TREE THAT'S BEEN LEANING OVER THE POOL SINCE AT LEAST THE 1920S.

WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.

UM, WE REALIZE THAT IT'S AN ICONIC TREE.

UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE CALL IT FLOW, AND AS WE HEARD TONIGHT, OTHERS MAYBE DON'T ASSOCIATE THE NAME FLOW WITH THIS PARTICULAR TREE.

BUT THAT'S HOW, UM, HOW PEOPLE HAVE CONNECTED TO THIS IN, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

I THINK THAT'S JUST A TESTAMENT TO HOW PEOPLE HAVE CONNECTED TO IT.

UM, THE TRUNK IS HOLLOW, SO 90% OF THE TRUNK IS CONCRETE.

THAT IS A, A PARTICULAR, UM, INTERVENTION THAT IS NO LONGER USED.

UH, AS YOU'LL RECALL FROM OUR, OUR LAST PRESENTATION, THERE ARE STEEL STRUCTURES THAT WERE ADDED, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HELP KEEP THE, UH, OVERHANGING, UH, TREE LIMB STABLE SO THAT INDIVIDUALS COULD WALK SAFELY, OR AT LEAST WE THOUGHT SAFELY UNTIL JUST RECENTLY, UM, UNDERNEATH THAT TREE.

AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF CABLES ADDED IN 2019 TO HELP KEEP IT UP.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WHEN WE WERE LEARNED OF THE, UM, OF THE DISEASE, WE ALSO ADDED SOME, UM, ROPE TO THE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE TREE UP.

ON JULY 6TH, THE STAFF NOTICED THE FRUITING BODY AT THE BASE OF THE TREE.

UH, WE CALL THIS THE BRITTLE CINDER, BRITTLE CINDER FUNGUS.

AND WE WERE FOUND OUT THAT TEXAS A AND M WAS ABLE TO DETECT THAT THAT'S THE DISEASE THAT IT HAD.

AND

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AND THEN ON THAT SAME DAY, WE CONTACTED FOR INDEPENDENT CERTIFIED ARBORISTS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THEY THOUGHT THE FATE OF THE TREE COULD BE, INCLUDING IF THERE WERE INTERVENTIONS ON AUGUST 18TH, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE TREE COULD POSSIBLY INJURE SOMEONE OR COULD POSSIBLY FALL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME FOLKS PERHAPS DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S QUITE, UM, A CONCERN.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND SO AS A MEASURE TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY, WE DID BARRICADE THE SPACE AND, UM, ALSO THE WATER AREA.

WE MADE SURE THAT PEOPLE COULD NOT SWIM IN THAT WATER AREA.

AND THEN WE RECEIVED THE FOUR FINAL REPORTS FROM THE ARBORIST.

UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

PLEASE KNOW THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS A WOOD DECAY FUNGUS THAT'S CAUSES A RAPID DECLINE AND THAT THE OUTWARD SIGNS OF THE TREE MAY LOOK AS THOUGH IT'S CONTINUES TO BE HEALTHY, WHEREAS THE INSIDES OF THE TREES ARE, ARE BEING, UM, ARE DISEASED AND ARE WITHERING AWAY.

AND SO IT IS NOT ALWAYS APPARENT LOOKING AT THE OUTSIDE OF THE TREE THAT, THAT IT HAS THIS FUNGUS.

BUT WE KNOW BECAUSE TEXAS A AND M TOLD US THAT IT HAS THIS DISEASE, THERE'S NO TREATMENT AND THERE IS CONCERN THAT THIS WILL COMPROMISE THE TREE FURTHER AND CAUSE A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.

THIS WAS THE FOUR ARBORISTS REPORT.

YOU CAN FIND THE TEXAS A AND M REPORT AND THESE FOUR ARBORIST REPORTS ONLINE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL FOUR ARBORISTS DID SAY THAT THE OVERALL RISK RATE RATING WAS EMINENT, HAZARDOUS, EXTREME, OR HIGH, AND THEY ALL RECOMMENDED REMOVAL OF THE TREE.

THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT PERHAPS THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTRICT, UM, ACCESS, INCLUDING DOWNSTREAM IN THE POOL OR TO REMOVE LARGE BRANCHES.

BUT IF WE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE POOL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT PARTICULAR ARBORIST DIDN'T CONSIDER IS THE BYPASS THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE, UM, THE DECKING AREA.

AND SO HE DID PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO US ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS STILL RISK TO THE BYPASS SHOULD THAT LIMB FALL.

AND ALSO, IF YOU RESTRICT THE ACCESS, THERE'S NO A D A ACCESSIBILITY ON THAT PART OF THE POOL.

EVEN WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE BRANCHES, THE RESIDUAL RISK FOR MITIGATION REMAINED HIGH.

AND THE OTHER TWO ARBORISTS SAID THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN OPTION FOR INTERVENTION OTHER THAN REMOVAL.

UM, ON THE 14TH OF SEPTEMBER, WE ALSO HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

HIS NAME IS, UH, KAREEM HEMLEY HELMI, SORRY.

HE'S OUR CITY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

HE'S PART OF OUR CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES QUALITY MANAGEMENT DIVISION.

AND HE DID PRODUCE A REPORT.

HE LOOKED AT THE TREE WITH SOME OTHER PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND HE PRODUCED A REPORT THAT ALSO TOLD US THAT HE BELIEVED THAT THAT TREE SHOULD BE REMOVED.

UM, PLEASE KNOW THE CURRENT STATE IS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE RISKS FROM THE ARBORISTS.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE RISKS FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

WE KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY LOVES THE TREE, AND WE'RE WORKING TO DOCUMENT THE TREE STORIES AT TREE STORIES@AUSTINTEXAS.GOV.

WE DO HAVE THE BARRICADES IN PLACE.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A, IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A D A ACCESSIBILITY.

WE DO HAVE THE BOYS THAT ARE RESTRICTING, RESTRICTING SWIMMING IN THE INSIDE THE POOL.

WE, UH, AS A DEPARTMENT, OUR FORESTRY TEAM, INCLUDING JOSHUA, UH, BELIEVES THAT THE, THE CONSULTING ARBORISTS THAT THERE, THERE IS A SAFETY HAZARD THAT'S GREAT ENOUGH THAT WE DO NEED TO REMOVE THE TREE.

WE SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND WANTING TO HONOR THE TREE.

AND AS I HAD SAID BEFORE, WE ARE COMMITTED TO HAVING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE WAYS THAT WE CAN HONOR IT BEYOND, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PROPOSED.

I E THE TREE STORIES OR HAVING A, A BLESSING CEREMONY OR A CELEBRATION OF LIFE.

UH, AND WE'RE, WE'LL, WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO BEST TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST HONOR THE TREE.

I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS DIFFERENT.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT PRESENTATION.

SO THIS WAS THE, UM, THAT WAS OUR DRAFT PRESENTATION.

I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING THE DRAFT ONLINE.

WE WILL PUT THE RIGHT, THE CORRECTLY POSTED ONE, UM, POWERD FORESTRY STAFF AND THE STRUCTURAL EN ENGINEERS AGREE THAT THE CONSULTING ARBUS THAT WE NEED TO, UM, REMOVE THE TREE.

UH, WE KNOW THAT IT'S LOVED.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO EVERYTHING.

I ALREADY SAID.

THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

BUT I DO WANNA ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS AND I APOLOGIZE.

ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT, UM, IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT PLANNING TO BUILD A BEAUTIFUL DECK IN THAT AREA AS PART OF THE, UM, THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

UM, ANY SORT OF DECKING IS NOT PART OF THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT.

IN FACT,

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THERE WAS A TREE THAT WAS PLANTED DIRECTLY BEHIND FLOW AS A REPLACEMENT TREE, KNOWING THAT EVENTUALLY WE MIGHT GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE NO LONGER ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS TREE IN A SAFE MANNER.

SO THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A PECAN TREE THAT IS THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF REMOVING THAT TREE.

IT WILL REMAIN IN THAT SPACE AND SHADE THAT AREA.

SO THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT A, A DECK TO MAKE MONEY IS NO, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT.

AND THE SECOND QUESTION WAS WHAT DID THIS, HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED BEFORE? AND I WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

AND SO I'M GONNA ASK FOR, UM, THE, FOR YOU TO ALLOW ME TO LOOK THIS UP.

BUT WHEN I FIRST CAME ON BOARD WITH THIS PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, THERE WERE TREES ALONG THE TRAIL THAT HAD BEEN MARKED TO, UM, TO BE REMOVED.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE FORESTRY TEAM HAD NOT GOTTEN TO ALL OF THOSE TREES.

ONE DID FALL, ONE DID FALL AND INJURE SOMEONE.

THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS NOT CATASTROPHICALLY INJURED OR IRREPARABLY HARMED.

THEY DID HAVE TO, UM, GO THROUGH SOME RECOVERY AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY WAS HELD, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

SO I WOULD HAVE TO GET YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, HAS THIS HAPPENED BEFORE? THE ANSWER IS YES, IT HAS.

WE'RE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MCNEELY.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND CERTAINLY WOULD LOVE TO, UM, HELP ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ASKED.

BUT, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROPOSALS FOR NEW SUPPORTS AND A WAY OF SUPPORTING THE TREE SO THAT IT COULD REMAIN IN PLACE? WE DO NOT.

WE ARE TAKING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ARBORIST IN THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT SAYS THAT IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE THE, THE TREE.

I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, A PROPOSAL FOR NEW SUPPORTS AT BARTON SPRINGS FOR FLOW THAT WAS SENT TO YOU BY, UM, BY ANTONE LEHAM AND PJ LYLES.

AND I'M CURIOUS WHY YOU TOOK AWAY THE OPTIONS FROM THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE YOU HAD FOUR OPTIONS, ONE, WHICH WAS TO REMOVE THE TREE, AND THEN THERE WERE OTHERS TO CONSIDER SUPPORT FOR THE TREE.

UM, YEAH.

THE REASON WHY WE TOOK THOSE AWAY IS BECAUSE EACH OF THEM ENDED UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE TREE.

SO WE DIDN'T FIND THOSE OPTIONS TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.

AND SO THEREFORE, RATHER THAN BE DISINGENUOUS, ALTHOUGH I RECOGNIZE THAT THE WRONG PRESENTATION, THE INAPPROPRIATE PRESENTATION WAS POSTED, I, I DIDN'T WANT TO IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM LEAD THE PUBLIC INTO THINKING THAT WE WERE, WE WERE IN ANY POSITION OTHER THAN RECOMMENDING REMOVAL.

AND THAT'S THE PRESENTATION THAT WE PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU RECEIVED OUT OF MY MOUTH TODAY IS THE SAME THAT WE RE THAT WE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL ON THURSDAY.

AND SPEAKING TO ONE OF YOUR ARBORISTS, VINCENT DEROCK FROM HERITAGE TREE, I THINK HE SAID THAT THERE WAS AN EXTREME RISK OF FAILURE OF THE TREE, BUT WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, I ASKED HIM, UM, HOW WOULD THE TREE FAIL? AND CAN YOU PLEASE WALK ME THROUGH WHAT A FAILURE, FAILURE OF THE TREE WOULD LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE WITH A STEEL SUPPORT UNDERNEATH IT, THE TREE LITERALLY CANNOT FALL ON THE SIDEWALK BELOW IT.

I THINK VINCENT SAID THERE WAS A BREAKAGE POINT THAT WAS JUST PASSED THAT, AND SO A FAILURE OF THE TREE WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT A LIMB WOULD FALL DIRECTLY INTO THE POOL.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO IN VINCENT'S REPORT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE NOTED IN HIS RISK ASSESSMENT FORM WAS THAT THERE WAS A RISK RATING FOR THE LIMB BEYOND THE SECOND SUPPORT BEAM WAS LISTED AS EXTREME.

SO THAT'S BEYOND, THAT'S THE PORTION OF THE STEM THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THE END OF THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE OUT INTO THE POOL.

SO THAT, BUT THAT CAN'T FALL ON THE SIDEWALK.

CORRECT.

IT, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THAT TO FALL, IT CAN FALL BACKWARDS ONTO THE SIDEWALK, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A STEEL STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH IT THERE.

THE WAY THE ROPES AND THE CABLES ARE SUPPORTING THAT PORTION OF THE TRUNK, IT IS NOT AT AN ANGLE THAT CAN HOLD THE WEIGHT OF THAT BRANCH.

IF IT WERE TO FAIL, IT WOULD RESTRICT WHERE IT WOULD FALL.

BUT IT IS STILL, I BELIEVE IT IS STILL POSSIBLE FOR THAT TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE POOL DECK AREA.

METHODS TO EVALUATE WHAT THE INTERIOR OF THE TRUNK MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN AREAS WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE, UM, LIKE THE TRUNK, IT'S, IT'S VISIBLE, UH, IT'S EASILY VISIBLE TO SEE HOW MUCH DECAY IS AT THE TRUNK BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY OPEN.

IF THERE WERE A FAILURE THERE, WE DID, WE DID HAVE, UM, A, ANOTHER ARBORIST WHO ASSESSED THIS TREE IN 2019 AND, UH, PERFORMED WHAT WE CALL A LEVEL THREE ASSESSMENT, UH, WHICH INVOLVES ADVANCED ASSESSMENT

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BUT FOR OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE ARE NO EXPOSED CAVITIES, UH, THERE ARE TOOLS THAT ARE KNOWN.

UH, THEY'RE CALLED, UM, SONIC TOMOGRAPHY IS ONE, UM, METHOD THAT'S USED.

THE OTHER IS RESISTANCE DRILLING OR RESISTOGRAM.

UH, BOTH OF THOSE WERE USED IN 2019 IN THE AREA THAT'S BEYOND THAT FURTHEST OUT SUPPORT STRUCTURE.

AND THEY FOUND AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS, IN THEIR ESTIMATION, UH, 70, AROUND 70% OF THE INTERNAL, UM, 70% OF THAT STEM AT THE POINT THAT THEY DRILLED WAS DECAYED AT THAT POINT.

THAT'S BEYOND THE END OF THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE.

UM, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS AROUND THAT 30% THRESHOLD THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED TO BE STRUCTURALLY SOUND.

AND WE FELT THAT THE TIME ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ARBORIST, THAT GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE CANOPY AND WITH SOME ADDITIONAL END WEIGHT REDUCTION, WHICH WE DID PERFORM AT THAT TIME, UH, THAT THAT WAS REASONABLE TO ALLOW THE TREE TO REMAIN AT AT THAT TIME.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A COLUMN OF DECAY THAT EXTENDS UP PAST THE END OF THAT SUPPORT STRUCTURE.

AND THAT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN FOR THE STREET NOW.

AND, UM, OTHER QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK ARE, UM, HAVE ANY OF YOU ALL RECEIVED COMPLAINTS BY ANY OF THE USERS OF ZILKER PARK? HAS PARD RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM SWIMMERS OR FROM, UM, PEOPLE WITH A D A NEEDS OR ANY OTHER VISITORS TO THE PARK OR LIFEGUARDS? HAVE YOU RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ASKING FOR THE TREE TO BE REMOVED? I HAVE ONE COMPLAINT ABOUT RESTRICTED A D A ACCESS.

UM, PARKS BOARD MEMBERS, DO, HAVE ANY OF YOU ALL RECEIVED COMPLAINTS? I HAVE RECEIVED OVER A HUNDRED EMAILS ASKING FOR THE TREE TO REMAIN.

I I KNOW THAT YOU AND I HAVE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, ABOUT SPECIFICALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO A D A COMPLAINTS MM-HMM.

UM, MY CONCERN ISN'T NECESSARILY WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING, BUT RATHER THAT THE FACT THAT WE ARE RESTRICTING A D A ACCESS.

UM, I DON'T NEED ANYONE TO COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT A D A ACCESS.

I'M JUST INHERENTLY PRO AADA A ACCESS.

UM, AND ANYTIME THERE'S GONNA BE RESTRICTION ON THAT, MY ALARM BELLS ARE GONNA START RINGING AND I'M GOING TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR A D A, UH, ACCESSIBILITY.

SO I DON'T, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS ISN'T FOR ME PERSONALLY RELEVANT.

IT'S THE INHERENT RESTRICTIVENESS ASSOCIATED WITH A D A ACCESS.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I WOULD REITERATE THAT THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN DOES NOT MEAN THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T COMPLAIN THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST.

SOMEONE WHO'S, UH, EXPERIENCING A DISABILITY MAY NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE COMPLAINING.

THERE MAY BE MANY REASONS WHY THEY DIDN'T COMPLAIN.

I AGREE WITH PEDRO THAT RESTRICTING A D A ACCESS IS NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING EVER.

PERIOD.

SO, UM, SO IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO FORTIFY THE TREE SO THAT YOU COULD OPEN UP THE BARRICADES AND PEOPLE COULD WALK UNDER IT.

WOULD THAT BE IMPOSSIBLE? THAT IS OUR ASSESSMENT AT THIS TIME.

UM, AND SWIMMERS HAVE NOT COMPLAINED ABOUT NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE AREA UNDER THE TREE.

I'M JUST, UH, I'M, I, AFTER RECEIVING SO MANY A PLEA AND AS YOU KNOW, UH, FLOW WAS SCHEDULED TO BE REMOVED AND WE WAITED UNTIL TONIGHT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SPEAK ABOUT IT AND ASK QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU ALL, THAT PARD COULD CONSIDER HAVING THE TREE REMAIN? VINCENT TOLD ME THAT IN EUROPE, UM, TREES THAT HAVE A FUNGUS, TREES THAT HAVE A ILLNESS LIKE LIVE OAK TREES HAVE LIVE, LIVE OAK DECLINE ARE JUST FENCED OFF SO THAT THE TREE CAN DIE NATURALLY RATHER THAN REMOVING THE TREE.

SO AS WE HAVE HEARD, WE CANNOT FENCE IT OFF SO IT CAN DRY, NATURAL, DIE NATURALLY WITHOUT RESTRICTING A D A ACCESS.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS PREPARED TO DO, IS TO DENY A D A ACCESS IN ORDER FOR THE TREE TO REMAIN.

SECONDLY, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TREES AND WE CARE ABOUT THEM.

JOSHUA CARES DEEPLY ABOUT THEM.

I CARE ABOUT THEM.

I ALSO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A CATASTROPHIC EVENT OCCUR THAT IRRE IRREPARABLY HARMS SOMEBODY OR PUT SOMEBODY IN A POSITION THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE PHYSICALLY CAPABLE OR POSSIBLY NOT

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WITH US.

THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE CONSIDERATION.

AND I KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT THE TREE LIMB COULD FALL, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T THINK THAT THE TREE WOULD FALL, UH, ON THE TRAIL.

AND IT DID.

AND I, I COULDN'T, I, AS A DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT, AND AS SOMEBODY WHO IS A CITY EMPLOYEE, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HEALTH AND SAFETY.

I THINK HEALTH AND SAFETY HAS TO TAKE THE PRIORITY OVER THE TREE.

AND WE'VE TRIED VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PREPARED FOR THIS POINT IN TIME BY PLANTING ANOTHER TREE IN THAT SPACE.

WE'RE TAKING TREE STORIES.

WE WANT TO HONOR THIS SPACE.

WE UNDERSTAND IT'S EMOTIONAL, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING IT LIGHTLY.

WE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYONE REALLY WANTS TO DO.

I DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

UH, IF IT COULD REMAIN, I WOULD WANT IT TO REMAIN.

I KNOW JOSHUA WOULD WANT IT TO REMAIN, BUT THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT IT IS A DISEASE, IT'S VULNERABLE TO FALLING, AND I HAVE TO TAKE HEALTH AND SAFETY INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST THE TREE.

THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT THERE IS A D A ACCESS THE RAMP AND THE RESTROOMS ARE VERY ACCESSIBLE AT BARTON SPRINGS.

THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED IS BY PUTTING UP THE BARRICADES AROUND THE TREE SO THAT NO ONE CAN WALK UNDER IT.

THERE IS A PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK THAT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE.

SO HALF OF THE POOL IS ACCESSIBLE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE ONLY SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE ARE STAIRS GOING DOWN ON, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THE EAST SIDE OF THE TREE.

SO, UM, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT THE PUBLIC'S WISHES ARE.

IT IS A PUBLIC PARK.

IT'S A PUBLIC TREE.

THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TO REMOVAL OF THE TREE.

AND SO I HOPE THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER STATEMENTS SLASH QUESTIONS.

UM, I DON'T THINK HALF ACCESSIBLE IS, UH, FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO ACCESS A PUBLIC RESOURCE.

UM, SO I'LL JUST STATE THAT FIRST.

BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PECAN TREE.

HAS THAT BEEN TESTED? I KNOW THIS TYPE OF FUNGUS IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DETECT.

ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS THAT THAT PECAN TREE HAS THE SAME FUNGUS? I KNOW IT IS CONTAGIOUS, NOT CONTAGIOUS.

THERE'S NOT, YES, IT IS CONTAGIOUS.

IT CAN BE SPREAD.

THAT'S HOW ALL FUNGUS WORKS.

IT, IT CAN, UH, IT, IT CAN TRAVEL THROUGH SPORES IN THE AIR OR THROUGH ROOT GRAFTS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS CAN TRAVEL.

SO THERE IS A RISK THAT'S THERE.

UH, THERE'S NOT TESTING THAT CAN BE DONE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UM, PRIOR TO THE PRESENCE OF THAT, OF FRUITING BODY.

FOND FRUITING BODY.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST SIGNAL.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WARNING WHEN YOU SEE THAT AND IDENTIFY THAT THAT FRUITING BODY CAN BE TESTED, AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ADVANCED DECAY, BUT PRIOR TO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DRILL INTO THE TREE.

SURE.

THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S, SO THERE'S NO WAY OF KNOWING EFFECTIVELY AT THIS POINT.

IT'S NOT SHOWING ANY OUTWARD SIGNS, BUT IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER IT WOULD, AND THEN, SO IF I CAN MAKE A STATEMENT, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE FULLY WITH IT, BUT PLEASE TELL ME WHETHER THIS SEEMS REASONABLE.

IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT CLIMATE CHANGE, INCREASED HEAT STRESS OVER THE SUMMER AND THE TWO WINTER STORM EVENTS DID NOT HELP THIS TREES CHANCE OF CONTRACTING THIS FUNGUS? IT IS.

I I, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING.

I MENTIONED THIS, UH, TO COUNCIL, UH, EARLIER AS WELL, THAT I KNOW GENERALLY SPEAKING, TREES THAT ARE UNDER MORE STRESS ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO, UH, PEST AND DISEASE PRESSURE.

AND TREES THAT ARE NOT STRESSED ARE MORE RESILIENT AGAINST THOSE.

AND I THINK WHAT'S PLAYING OUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS A TREE THAT HAS BEEN COMPROMISED FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND THE NUMBER OF STRESSORS HAS ADDED UP TO A POINT THAT IT HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE PUTTING ON HEALTHY ANNUAL GROWTH.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH GROWTH, THE TREE, THE PECAN BEHIND THIS TREE HAS GROWN IN A MUCH SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE 125 YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THIS OTHER, THE OTHER TREE THAT'S, UH, LEANING.

UM, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THAT'S THERE.

SO I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE, I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO, UH, TO AFFECT OTHER TREES IN THE POOL AREA.

I DON'T SEE THE SAME TYPE OF, UM, THIS TREE WAS COMPROMISED IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT WAS VULNERABLE ALREADY AND WOULD NOT BE MORE VULNERABLE, BE GENERALLY WORRIED ABOUT TREES IN THE AREA WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL COMPROMISED SITUATION.

IF THE, IF THERE WERE OTHER TREES THAT WERE COMPROMISED THE SAME WAY, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEM.

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT LEVEL OF, UH, TREES BEING COMPROMISED OR STRESSED LIKE I DO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

GREAT.

I WISH, UH, VINCENT DEROCK WERE HERE.

YEAH, I'VE GOT ONE MORE THING TO SAY.

I DID ASK,

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HE WAS ONE OF YOUR CONSULTING ARBORISTS AND HE SAID THAT NO, THIS IS NOT CONTAGIOUS.

THAT THIS TREE GOT, UH, BRITTLE CINDER FUNGUS BECAUSE OF A VERY SPECIAL SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT PECAN TREES NORMALLY DO NOT GET THIS, AND THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT CONTAGIOUS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE ROOT SYSTEM OR, OR AFFECT THE OTHER PECAN TREE THAT'S NEAR IT OR ANY OTHER TREES.

SO THIS IS COMING FROM ONE OF YOUR CONSULTING ARBORISTS.

THERE IS NOT A DANGER OF CONTAGIOUSNESS.

UM, I FORGOT TO ASK WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO REMOVE FLOW VERSUS THE COST TO, UM, SECURE THE TREE.

SO THE COST ENGINEERING, THE, THE COST TO REMOVE FLOW IS APPROXIMATELY, UH, $8,000 IN STAFF TIME.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE REMOVAL OF THE CEMENT THAT HAS BEEN, UH, CEMENTED AND THE EXPERTISE OF JOSHUA AND HIS CREW TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THE, UH, THE LIMBS.

UM, WE, WE DID NOT DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, SO I DON'T HAVE A COST FOR THAT.

I BELIEVE A CITIZEN MAY HAVE SENT YOU AN ESTIMATE OF $2,000 FOR THAT.

I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT BOARD MEMBER.

I I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT WITH YOUR, UM, WITH YOUR PROMPTING, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF IT ENDED UP IN MY JUNK.

AND I DON'T MEAN THAT RUDELY, I JUST MEAN SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS.

SO I'LL I'LL TAKE A LOOK.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT NUMBER YOU JUST THREW OUT.

IS THAT ADDITIONAL COST THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA HAVE TO SHE OUT OR IS THAT COST THAT'S ALREADY LIKE, IT'S, IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

IT'S WHAT OUR FORESTRY TEAM AND OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM WOULD DO.

IF THEY WERE NOT DOING THIS, THEY WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

AND SO THEY ALWAYS GET WORK ORDERS AND IN THOSE WORK ORDERS THEY PRIORITIZE THEM AND DO DIFFERENT WORK.

SO IT'S JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AS PART OF OUR, AS PART OF OUR REGULAR STAFF TIME, THE REGULAR WORK THAT WE WOULD ASSIGN TO OUR TEAM.

SO I'M NOT A FINANCE PERSON, SO I'M JUST, I'M GONNA HAVE TO DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME.

UM, MY HUSBAND DOES THE FINANCES.

I DON'T .

UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE, THE CITY'S NOT GONNA HAVE TO PAY SOMEONE $8,000 THIS THE, THE NO, THE COST IS $0 BECAUSE THIS IS STAFF TIME ON YES.

THEIR THERE NO MORE WORKING.

IT'S RIGHT, IT'S $0, BUT I I IN IN SAME COST.

IT'S $0 TO THE CITY.

BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO SAY, IF YOU WERE GONNA TRACK THIS IN A TASK ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COST WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 8,000.

USUALLY GET TO SEE THAT, UH, AS ARBORIST, ANYTIME THAT'S IDENTIFIED, IT'S TYPICALLY A SHORT TERM WHERE WE GET TO, WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE THAT REMOVAL.

SO IT'S $8,000 YOU COULD SPEND ON SOMETHING ELSE.

I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT ACCORDING TO ALL FOUR OF THE EXPERTS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM, UM, THE REMOVAL IS EMINENT REGARDLESS OF IF WE MAINTAIN THE TREE FOR THE REST OF ITS LIFE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND THE, THE NATURE OF CRUTCH MARIA IS THAT IT'S, IT IS A RELATIVELY FAST MOVING DISEASE, WHICH IS WHY THE SHORTER TIMEFRAME FOR THIS, UH, IN ANY OTHER LOCATION, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED TREES THAT HAVE HAD CRUTCH AREA PREVIOUSLY.

WE USUALLY GET A COUPLE A YEAR MAYBE.

UM, AS SOON AS THAT'S IDENTIFIED, THOSE REMOVALS ARE SCHEDULED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THOSE GO TO THE TOP OF THE LIST WHEREVER THEY ARE BECAUSE IT, AT THE POINT THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT FUNGAL FRUITING BODY THAT IS THE WARNING SIGN.

THERE'S NOT ANOTHER TRIGGER TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE TIME WHERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACT.

WHEN IT GETS TO THIS POINT, THE, THE VISIBLE FRUITING BODY AT THE BASE OF THE TREE IS THE POINT WHERE THAT THAT IS THE WARNING SIGN.

ESSENTIALLY THAT FAILURE IS IMMINENT AND IT IS MUCH EASIER TO REMOVE THAT QUICKER THAN IT IS TO WAIT UNTIL THAT ADVANCE IS FURTHER.

AND IT REALLY CAN BE A MATTER OF WEEKS.

UM, ONE OF THE ARBORISTS THAT WE HAD COME OUT TO DO, ONE OF THE ASSESSMENTS, UH, IDENTIFIED, UH, A TREE THAT HAD CRUTCH MARY ON A CLIENT'S PROPERTY AND THEY DIDN'T WANNA REMOVE IT RIGHT AWAY.

UH, TWO WEEKS LATER THEY CALLED AND SAID THE TREE THAT FAILED AND HAD THEM COME OUT TO CLEAN UP THE TREE THAT WAS ON THE GROUND.

SO IT IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT, I WANNA BE CAREFUL.

IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES HERE BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE, BECAUSE OF THE CABLES, THE LOADS ON THE BASE OF THE TREE ARE NOT QUITE THE SAME, BUT THE RISK IS STILL THE SAME.

AND THE CONCERN IS STILL THE SAME FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS WHY WE PUT THE BARRICADES UP.

UH, AND I WOULD SAY FOR, FOR CLIMBER SAFETY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, FOR OUR CREW THAT'S DOING THE WORK, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO REMOVE THE TREE THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO COME DOWN AT SOME POINT SOONER BEFORE MORE OF THAT WOOD IS DECAYED AND THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS COMPROMISED THAN IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE POINT THAT IT COMPLETELY FAILS ON ITS OWN OR JUST DIES.

UM, I THINK I DID TALK TO VINCENT, UH, OVER SOMETIME THIS PAST WEEK.

UH, I THINK HE HAS, I THINK HE WOULD APPRECIATE ME SAYING THIS.

I THINK HE HAS A MORBID CURIOSITY TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT JUST REMAINED.

UM, JUST TO, JUST TO WATCH A DISEASE THAT WE ALL KNOW WILL END UP AS AN IMMINENT FAILURE TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT WITHOUT TAKING ACTION PRIOR.

'CAUSE WE NEVER

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DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.

I'LL SAY BEFORE WE LET YOU GO ON AND WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, I KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS A LOT AND THAT THE COMM PART, PARTIAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO AND HAS, UH, DECIDED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT THEY'VE DECIDED TO PAY ATTENTION TO AND THEY'VE DECIDED TO COME TO COME TESTIFY TO US TODAY.

AND I THINK THAT LIKE, JUST LIKE, UM, WHAT WAS IT? UH, ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE TODAY, MS. TERRY ADAMS SAID, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T LIKE TO THINK OF IT THIS WAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVE SENTIMENTAL FEELINGS, WARM FEELINGS, A CLOSE BOND CONNECTION WITH THE TREE VERSUS THOSE THAT WANT TO DO THE LOGICAL THING.

I DON'T SEE THOSE THINGS, THOSE TWO WORLDS BEING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

I SEE THOSE TWO WORLDS COEXISTING WITH EACH OTHER IN THE SAME FIELD, IN THE SAME WORLD.

AND I HOPE THAT, WE'LL HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD, UM, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST COMMEMORATE THE TREE.

I KNOW THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AT SOME MEETING, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAD MENTIONED THAT YAHA ALREADY BEEN CONDUCTING THE PECAN THAT WE'RE, UH, SEATED BY FLOW, UM, IN, IN HOPES OF TURNING THAT INTO A PROJECT.

MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING COOL WITH THAT.

MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME REALLY BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY ART PROJECTS WITH, UM, THE ACTUAL WOOD ITSELF IN A WAY THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATIVELY, UH, UH, PUT THEIR, UH, FEELINGS ABOUT THE TREE AND IN A, IN SUCH A MANNER, UM, AND IN A WAY THAT REALLY HONORS A TREE IN A MANNER, UH, THAT IS GONNA RESULT IN LONG-TERM, UH, UM, PRESERVATION OF THE TREE IN SOME SORT OF ART OR ART CAPACITY OR THROUGH PLANTING IF IT'S PECAN AND HOPEFULLY THEY SPROUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

UM, SO YEAH, I I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO WORLDS, UH, OR THOSE TWO GROUPS, THOSE TWO WORLDS ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

I THINK THAT THEY COEXIST, UH, PERFECTLY TOGETHER AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TO TOWARDS THAT.

SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

YOU, UM, MEMBERS, UM, AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO, UM, THE ONLY, WELL IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK, SO I'LL, I'M JUST GONNA ASK IF WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION IF WE CAN TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER SIX.

'CAUSE I THINK ITEM NUMBER SIX IS THE ONLY, IS THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM THAT IS, HAS A SPECIFIC TIMELINE WE HAVE TO FOLLOW? IS THAT CORRECT? LIKE IT'S TIME SENSITIVE OR ARE THERE OTHER AGENDAS, ITEMS THAT ARE TIME, THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE? UH, CHAIR, IT'S NO MORE TIME SENSITIVE THAN THE OTHER, THE OTHER ONES.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU WANNA TAKE IT, GREAT.

IF NOT IT, IT CAN.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, PRESENTATION DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL TO TALK THROUGH OUR NEGOTIATION EXECUTION OF INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TRAVIS COUNTY REGARDING THE COORDINATION OF SPICE, WHICH BRINGS LOW WATER CROSSING NUMBER ONE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IN 'CAUSE IT IS A NAMING, I KNOW THERE'S SPECIFIC ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, SO WE, WE CAN WAIT AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT, OKAY.

SO WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO

[3. Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to Austin City Council to authorize the negotiation and execution of an Interlocal Agreement with Travis County regarding coordination of the Spicewood Springs Road Low Water Crossing #1. ]

UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS, UM, I WILL LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT THE CONTRACTS AND CONCESSIONS COMMITTEE BROUGHT, UH, TOOK THIS UP LAST WEDNESDAY.

UM, WE DID GET A PRESENTATION FROM, UH, THOMAS ROBINSON, WHO'S THE PRINCIPAL PLANNER FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

AND WE DID GET TO HEAR THE PLAN, THE SCHEMATICS, UH, GET TO SEE THE SCHEMATICS, AND WE DID GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF IT.

UM, THIS WAS, UH, AT THE END, AFTER WE GOT THE PRESENTATION, AFTER WE HAD A Q AND A SESSION, THE CONTRACT AND CONCESSION COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED TO RECOMMEND TO THE PARKS, DEPART, PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD THAT THEY, UH, RECOMMEND THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO AT THIS TIME, WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION, I DO WELL, I I I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CONTRACT CONCESSIONS COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND THE, UH, TO RECOMMEND TO AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE THE NEGOTIATION AND EXECUTION OF AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TRAVIS COUNTY REGARDING COORDINATION OF THE SPICEWOOD SPRINGS ROAD LOW WATER CROSSING NUMBER ONE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT I NEED TO SAY, SORRY, MY INTERNET JUST WENT DOWN.

WAS THIS POSTED AS A BACKUP? THE RECOMMENDATION.

AND AS POSTED IN BACKUP AS WELL.

UM,

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SO I MAKE THAT MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

THERE'S A SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER FLOWERS AT THIS TIME.

UH, I'LL TAKE A VOTE.

AND, UH, OKAY.

IT PASSES.

UNANIM, UH, PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ALL.

WE'RE MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR

[4. Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to Austin City Council that the Wildhorse Planned Unit Development amendment application maintains superiority with respect to parkland dedication.]

AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. LINSON FOR COMING.

UM, AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING GO TO PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THE WILD TO PLAN UNIT, UNIT DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT APPLICATION MAINTAINS SUPERIORITY WITH RESPECT TO PARKLET DEDICATION.

GOOD EVENING CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M JUSTIN STEWART, AND I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME PRESENT TONIGHT.

UM, I MAY USE ONE OF THESE HANDY POINTERS, UH, SO I DON'T MEAN TO GO OVER YOU THERE, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT GONNA SHOW UP ANYWAY.

SO, UM, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DO IT VERBAL HERE.

UM, SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, PRESENT THE PROPOSED WILDHORSE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, ALSO KNOWN BY THE ACRONYM PUD.

UH, THIS APPLICATION IS A SUBSTANTIAL PUD AMENDMENT, UM, CASE NUMBER C EIGHT 14 DASH 0 2 0 6 3 1 OH TO ALLOW FOR TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, T P W, THAT'S A NEW ACRONYM, UM, T P W TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, UH, FOR THE PLANNED EXTENSION OF BREAKER LANE THROUGH THE PUD.

TONIGHT, WE'LL EVALUATE HOW THE PROPOSED PUD AMENDMENT APPLICATION MAINTAINS PARKLAND'S SUPERIORITY OVER THE CURRENT CITY CODE AS IT RELATES TO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

DEVELOPMENT OVERVIEW.

GOING INTO OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, THE EXISTING WILDHORSE PUD IS GENERALLY WHERE CATME GREEN LINE, UM, INTERSECTS WITH S SH ONE 30, JUST SOUTH SOUTH OF TWO 90 EAST SOUTHWEST OF THE CITY OF MANOR.

THE PUDS SPANS NEARLY 1500 ACRES AND WILL BE HOME TO SOME 12,000 CITY OF AUSTIN RESIDENCE.

IT WAS ESTABLISHED AND APPROVED IN 2002, AND THE AREA WAS ANNEXED BY THE CITY IN 2013.

DEVELOPMENT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND THE PARKLAND DEDICATION HAS BEEN COMPLETELY SATIS SATISFIED BY THE 171 ACRES IN BRIGHT GREEN THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

THAT'S ALONG THE GILLILAND CREEK.

UM, SO THAT GIANT DEDICATION SATISFIED THE WHOLE PUD AND IS BEING DEDICATED CURRENTLY.

UM, SO THIS 171 ACRES WILL TIE NICELY INTO TRAVIS COUNTY'S GILLAND REGIONAL TRAIL THAT RUNS ALONG THE CREEK.

AND, AND THIS, THIS, THIS P UM, REALLY ALSO HELPS, UH, CONNECT THAT PARKLAND TO THE AUSTIN TO MAYNARD TRAIL, WHICH TRACKS ALONG THE GREEN LINE.

SO YOU HAVE MANY KIND OF REGIONAL TRAILS COMING TOGETHER IN APPROXIMATE TO THIS PUD AND THAT'S RELATIVE TO THE CONVERSATION TODAY.

UM, THE AREA IN QUESTION TODAY IS SHOWN IN THE ORANGE CIRCLE AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF SH ONE 30.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS, THIS PUD AMENDMENT IS IN RESPONSE TO THE T P W PLANNED EXTENSION OF BREAKER LANE, SHOWN HERE AS THE TWO PARALLEL PARALLEL RED LINES.

SO THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S CUTTING THROUGH THE, THE PUD.

AND, UH, AT THE KIND OF MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN IS THE, UM, A FIVE IS A COMMUNITY PARK THAT IS 6.7 ACRES IN THE PUD, BUT IT'S BEING PROPOSED TO DROP DOWN TO 4.8 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ROAD WILL CUT THROUGH IT.

AND WE'LL ALSO LOSE THE, AN AMENITY CENTER.

SO THIS ALIGNMENT IS SHOWN IN THE A S M P, THE AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN.

AND, UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE AREA OF THE PARK THAT WE'RE LOSING IS JUST THE TOP PORTION OF THAT 6.7 ACRES.

UH, DEVELOPMENT OVERVIEW CONTINUED HERE.

UH, THE TRANSPORTATION T P W HAS COMMITTED TO BISECTING A PORTION OF THE PUD WITH THE EXTENSION OF BREAKER LANE AS SHOWN.

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UM, AND THIS PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE HAS LED TO MANY MEETINGS BETWEEN, UH, MYSELF AND, AND THE DEVELOPER WHO'S, WHO'S HERE TONIGHT.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAINTAIN SUPERIORITY, UM, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRING THE FOLLOWING.

AND THESE WILL BE LISTED OUT, UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT YOU CAN STAY HERE FOR ORIENTATION.

UM, A FIVE ACRE PARK EASEMENT SHOWN IN RED AT THE TOP, AND THAT GO, THAT'S ALONGSIDE THE AUSTIN TO MANNAR, UM, GREEN LINE, AND IT'S THE AUSTIN TO MANNAR TRAIL URBAN TRAIL THAT'S FUNDED AND BEING CONSTRUCTED CURRENTLY.

UM, THE SECOND THING THAT WILL REQUIRE IS A 10 FOOT CONCRETE LOOP TRAIL THROUGH THAT RED AREA.

UM, AND THE THIRD THING IS SHADE TREES PLANTED, UH, 30 FOOT ON CENTER ALONG THE URBAN TRAIL.

UM, THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY TRUE NORTH, SO IT'S A LITTLE DEGREES TO THE, TO THE RIGHT.

SO IT, IT IS A SOUTHERN, UM, SHADE PROJECTION, UM, ONTO THE, ONTO THE TRAIL WITH ONCE THE TREES GO MATURE.

UH, THE PART WILL ALSO REQUIRE THE ASSOCIATED IRRIGATION LINE TO THOSE, UH, TREES.

THE FOURTH THING WILL REQUIRE IS A WATER FOUNTAIN WITH A DOG BOWL AND THE ASSOCIATED WATER LINE IN THE RED PARK EASEMENT, THE FIFTH THING, TRASH AND RECYCLE BINS IN THE PARK EASEMENT TO BE APPROVED BY PARD AT A LATER DATE.

SIXTH NATURE-BASED PLAY IN THE PARK TO BE APPROVED BY PARD.

SEVEN.

THE OWNER WILL MAINTAIN THE PARK EASEMENT.

VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE OWNER WILL BE, BUT, UM, HAVING THAT CODIFIED AT THIS TIME IS IMPORTANT.

UH, NUMBER EIGHT, A BOARDWALK STYLE TRAIL OVER THE C E F CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BREAKER EXTENSION.

SO, UM, LET'S SEE, DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, UH, TO THE MIDDLE RIGHT IS THE C E F, UM, THE STOCK TANK THAT'S THAT THE ROAD IS GOING THROUGH.

AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS GONE INTO A MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING WITH T P W THAT WHEN THEY BUILD THAT ROAD, OUR PARK USERS FROM THE POND AREA BELOW, UM, WILL EITHER BE ABLE TO GET UNDER THE ROAD WITH A, YOU KNOW, SOPHISTICATED CULVERT OF SORTS OR AN IMPROVED AT GRADE CROSSING.

UM, NOW WHEN YOU MOVE OVER THE ROAD, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THE OUTFALL OF THAT, THAT THAT POND.

AND WHAT NUMBER, NUMBER EIGHT IS SAYING IS THAT, UH, A BOARDWALK STYLE WILL GET US OVER THE TRIBUTARY OR THE OUTFALL OF THE, UM, THE C E F.

AND THE LAST THING THAT, UH, WILL REQUIRE IS AN EIGHT FOOT CONCRETE LOOP TRAIL AROUND THE REMAINING 4.8 ACRES.

SO THAT'S AT THE, THAT'S THE BOTTOM, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT, THAT, THAT POND.

SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS JUST A LIST OF, OF WHAT I'VE JUST GONE THROUGH.

UM, SO LOOKING AT THE PARK PLAN, ALTHOUGH WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING AN AMENITY CENTER AND A COUPLE ACRES OF, OF THE COMMUNITY PARK, WE'LL GAIN FIVE ACRES OF FIVE ACRE PARK EASEMENT, THAT'S NET THREE ACRES AND ALL THE MENTIONED AMENITIES AND CONNECTIVE ASSURANCES.

UM, A PARK ALONG THE URBAN TRAIL WITH WATER AND SHADE AND OTHER PLACEMAKING AMENITIES WILL CREATE A GREAT REPRIEVE TO THE LINEAR TRAIL ITSELF OF ALL THE BICYCLISTS.

UM, TRAIN RIDERS WILL ALSO APPRECIATE THE BORROWED VIEW AS THEY CUT THROUGH THIS FIVE ACRE PARK, UM, COUPLED WITH THE ASSURANCES FROM T P W AND THE DEVELOPER OF THIS FIVE ACRE EDITION WILL WORK WELL WITH THE PROPOSED AND, UH, THE EXISTING PARKLAND.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR IS BOARD, BOARD CONSIDERATION TO CONSIDER A VOTE TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THE WILDHORSE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT APPLICATION MAINTAINS SUPERIORITY WITH RESPECT TO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

THAT, UH, CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

AND, AND, AND PLEASE NOTE THIS, THIS ITEM WAS, WAS POSTED FOR ACTION AND THE APPLICANT FOUR STAR AND WILL, UH, AGAIN, RICH IS HERE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, AND, AND I TOO WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

30? WELL, IT'S JUST SOUTH OF, OF ONE 30, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THE, UM, THE PUT, IT'S KIND OF IN THE INTERIOR.

DOES, UM, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO THE REPLACEMENT DEDICATION OF 5.222 ACRES IS RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF ONE 30.

AND WHAT IS THE OTHER ROAD? UM, LET'S SEE.

COULD YOU HIGHWAY ONE

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UM, UM, BUT IT GOES ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK AND YES, IT DOES.

THE TOP PORTION OF IT IS, IS ADJACENT TO SH ONE 30.

YES, MA'AM.

CAN, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW FAR AWAY IT IS FROM THE HIGHWAY? UM, WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TO THE, THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, THAT'S A RIGHT OF WAY QUESTION, WHICH I CAN'T AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THE, THE HIGHWAY IS, IS A BIT RAISED THERE, UM, ELEVATED.

SO, UM, IF YOUR QUESTION IS, UH, CONCERNED WITH THE PROXIMITY TO AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, UH, ROUTE, THEN, UM, RIGHT.

BOTH ROADS, UM, LOOK LIKE, UH, VERY BUSY ROADS, UM, THAT ARE BORDERING THIS PROPOSED PARKLAND.

WELL, SO THE ONE TO THE, THE WEST IS NOT A ROAD THAT'S A RAILROAD, THAT'S THE GREEN LINE.

AND SO BETWEEN THE RAILROAD AND THIS PARK WILL BE A 12 FOOT URBAN TRAIL WITH HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSANDS OF RIDERS EVERY DAY.

AND THIS, THIS FIVE ACRE WILL BE A, A LINEAR KIND OF EX EXTENSION OF THAT PUBLIC SPACE.

AND SO THE IDEA WAS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UTILIZE WHAT OUR URBAN TRAILS ARE KIND OF BUILT TO DO, WHICH IS A FLOOD OF PEOPLE ALREADY RECREATING AND, UM, GIVE THEM SHADE AND A REST RESTING SPACE AND SOME WATER, AND OF COURSE SOME, UM, A NATURE-BASED PLAY FOR KIDS.

SO I THINK IT'S STILL A DESTINATION, BUT IT'S ALSO A REPRIEVE FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THE, THE RAILROAD IS, IS, UM, WHICH RAILROAD, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING DOWN THAT RAILROAD THAT IS, UH, THE GREEN LINE.

SO THAT'S THE, UM, OKAY, GOT IT.

UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE NEXT, UH, TRANSIT ROUTES, UM, THAT THE CITY HAS, UH, COMMITTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, TO COMPLIMENT OUR, OUR GROWING, OUR BUDDING NETWORK, IF YOU WILL.

SO THERE, THERE'LL BE TRAIN STATIONS, UH, UP AND DOWN THERE AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL ACTIVELY BEING USED WITH, YOU KNOW, FREIGHT.

I KNOW SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THOSE OLDER TRAIN LINES DO RUN SOME LATE NIGHT HALLS, SO THERE WAS REALLY NO WAY TO SAY THE AMENITY CENTER, UM, JUST BY, UH, REMAPPING THE PROPOSED BREAKER, LANE EXTENSION OR WHATEVER THERE WAS, THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND TO BE FAIR, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR SUPERIORITY WAS BASED ON.

UM, NOW WHEN WE DO LOOK AT THE PLAN AND WE, WE SEE THAT THE AMENITY CENTER HAS BEEN TAKEN, THEN, UM, YEAH, WE DID WANT TO KIND OF, I THINK THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT WAS IN PART, SO, UM, MAY I SAY GRACIOUS AND KIND OF, UM, UM, TENDING TO WHAT I AND THE FELLOW PLANNERS WERE, WERE ASKING FOR IN THIS CASE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I WILL.

I WILL SAY THAT ONE OF MY RESERVATIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR YOU OR FOR THE DEVELOPER, IS THE, UM, UM, THE REMOVAL OF THE AMENITY CENTER AND WHETHER, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE BEING MADE AWARE OF THAT.

UM, I SPEAK TO THAT FROM EXPERIENCE MM-HMM.

AND I HAVE RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH HELPING MY MOM BUY IN A DEVELOP NEIGHBORHOOD AS THIS AS WELL.

SO NOT NECESSARILY THAT THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH, UH, PARKS OR RECREATION, BUT I GUESS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT WITH RECREATION SINCE IT'S A PRIVATE, UM, AMENITY CENTER.

BUT, UM, IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT MM-HMM.

DISINGENUOUS OR IT, IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO MM-HMM.

TO, I'M HESITANT, SO, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S EITHER HERE NOR THERE.

PREDECESSOR LIKELY ASSUMED, UM, 10.8 4, 10, 10 0.4 ACRES PER A THOUSAND PEOPLE.

SO THE TOTAL PARKLAND DEDICATION OR PARK DEDICATION TO MAKE THE PUD SUPERIOR, CAN YOU TELL ME THE, THE, THE FULL PERCENTAGE, UM, I'M SORRY MA'AM, THE FULL PERCENTAGE IN, IN THIS AMENDMENT CASE, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? RIGHT.

PERCENTAGE OF THE P OF THE ACTUAL LAND AREA THAT WAS DEDICATED TO PARKLAND? WELL, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A, A LAND COMPONENT AS IT IS, HOW MANY UNITS, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS OUR, I MEAN, THIS WAS DONE BEFORE MY TIME HERE, BUT MY

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AND WE HAVE, UM, 12,000 SUGGESTED FOLKS HERE.

SO, AND THAT'S 120 ACRES, BUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING HERE IS 171 ACRES ON THE GILLAND CREEK.

SO, UM, YEAH.

BUT IN, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT BACK TO THIS, THE AMENDMENT ITSELF, UH, WE'RE LOSING TWO ACRES, BUT WE'RE GETTING THREE ACRES.

AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE'RE GETTING MORE AMENITIES, UM, 30 FOOT CENTER TREES ALL ALONG THE URBAN TRAIL.

UM, AND, UH, YOU CAN LOOK BACK AT THE, UH, THE LIST THERE AS TO THE OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT, THAT WE AGREED TO.

UM, NOT TO FORGET THE WATER LINES THAT ARE MEANT TO IRRIGATE THE TREES, UM, AND THE WATER LINES, UH, TO SUPPLY THE WATER FOUNTAIN.

DOES ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

YEP.

BOARD MEMBER READ? DID OKAY? NO.

UM, WOULD ANYONE AT THIS TIME LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION RECOMMENDING TO AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL THAT THE WILDHORSE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT APPLICATION MAINTAIN SUPERIORITY WITH RESPECT TO PART LACK OF DEDICATION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

THERE'S A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER BECKER.

IS THERE A SECOND? THERE'S A SECOND.

BY BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR.

SEVEN, ZERO.

UM, WHAT TIME IS IT? SEVEN 30.

UM, DO Y'ALL NEED A BREAK? DO Y'ALL NEED A BREAK? IS THAT OKAY TO TAKE A BREAK? ALRIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.

, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, SO IF EVERYONE COULD BE BACK HERE AT SEVEN 30, UH, WE'LL GO INTO RECESS.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

IT'S A 7:33 PM AND WE'RE GONNA GET, UH, THIS MEETING STARTED AGAIN.

UM, AT THIS TIME

[5. Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to Austin City Council that the 311 South Congress Planned Unit Development application is superior with respect to Parkland Dedication.]

IT IS PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL THAT THE 3 1 1 SOUTH CONGRESS PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION DISAPPEAR WITH RESPECT TO PARKLAND'S DEDICATION.

WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER.

WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AMANDA SWORE, FOLLOWED BY BILL BUNCH.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S AMANDA SWAR WITH RENER GROUP.

WE ARE REPRESENTING THE, UM, THIS PROJECT, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

I'M GONNA LET STAFF DO THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT WE ARE HERE IF, UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN ANSWER AFTER THE PRESENTATION.

UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US BE HERE THIS EVENING.

BE ASKING FOR AN ENTIRE RAFT OF VARIANCES THAT BASICALLY DOES WHAT THE STATESMAN PUTT DID, WHICH IS THROW THE ENTIRE, UH, CODE BOOK INTO THE TRASH CAN, UM, WITH NO RULES WHATSOEVER OF ANY MEANINGFUL KIND, AND THEN SOMEHOW DECLARE IT SUPERIOR.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

BILL.

BILL BUNCH.

GOOD EVENING, UH, PARKS BOARD MEMBERS, BILL BUNCH WITH SAVE OUR SPRINGS ALLIANCE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS POD OVERALL, UM, AND, UH, ALSO TO ASK FOR SOME ONSITE OR CLOSE BY PARKLAND, ACTUAL PARKLAND.

WE RECOGNIZE THE SITE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, NEXT TO THE DAWSON PARK HAS SOME REAL APPEAL TO IT.

UM, BUT THE TRACKED AT HAND, THIS 3 11 3 15 SOUTH CONGRESS, PUD, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE STATESMAN PUD, UM, IS 0.8 ACRES OF LAND.

OUR CODE SAYS VERY CLEARLY THAT PUDS, UH, SHOULD BE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 10 ACRES.

THE STATESMAN PUD WAS 18 ACRES, UH, BY COMPARISON, 18 ACRES VERSUS 0.8.

UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING WHAT THE BACKUP SAYS IS 480, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, IF I READ THAT CORRECTLY, 450.

UM, THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF NEW DEMAND FOR PARKLAND, UM, RIGHT AT THIS SITE.

UM, NOT, YOU KNOW, A MILE AWAY, BASICALLY.

UM, MY GUESS IS, AND YOU DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THIS IN THE BACKUP THAT THEY'RE GONNA

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UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THIS WOULD BE SUPERIOR.

UM, I KNOW SOME OF THOSE CON CONCERNS I JUST STATED, UH, EXTEND OUTSIDE OF THE STRICTLY, UH, PARK, UH, BOARD, UH, JURISDICTION.

BUT, UM, Y'ALL SHOULD STAND UP FOR FOLLOWING THE STATUTE AND SAYING, NO.

UH, PUDGE LESS THAN 10 ACRES.

SO AS A RESULT, UM, STAFF IS CURRENTLY RECOMMENDING THIS P AS BEING SUPERIOR WITH RESPECT TO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM THOMAS ROLANDS.

GOOD EVENING CHAIR BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M TOM ROWLANDSON.

I'M A, A PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH, UH, THE HARDS PARKLAND DEDICATION TEAM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING TO PRESENT ON THE 3 11 3 15 SOUTH CONGRESS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, ALSO BY THE ACRONYM PUD, WHICH I'LL REFER TO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

UH, THE APPLICATION IS A REZONING CASE.

THE CASE NUMBER IS C EIGHT 14 DASH 20 23 0 2 7, AND IT IS TO GRANT THE P ZONING DESIGNATION FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

SO TONIGHT I'LL EVALUATE HOW THE PROPOSED P APPLICATION MEETS SUPERIORITY OVER CURRENCY CODE AS IT RELATES TO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

SO, LET'S SEE, UH, THE SITE, UH, IT CONSISTS CURRENTLY OF THE EXISTING FIRESTONE AUTO SHOP ON SOUTH CONGRESS JUST SOUTH OF LADY BIRD LAKE.

THE APPLICATION WOULD ALLOW FOR A HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 450 DWELLING UNITS, 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND FLOOR, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USE, AND A LOBBY.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT LOCATION IS ON THE MAP HERE IN THE PRESENTATION.

THE SITE IS ABOUT 0.8 ACRES.

UH, IT IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT.

UH, NORMALLY UNDER CURRENT CODE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE LIKELY REQUIRED ON SITE PARKLAND FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT SINCE IT IS TOO SMALL, UH, AT 0.8 ACRES TO REALLY GET A POCKET PARK OR A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK DEDICATED OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE OTHER REASON IS THAT THERE'S NO ONSITE PARKLAND IDENTIFIED IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION PLAN.

SO IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE SUPERIORITY OF THE PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED AN OFFSITE DEDICATION OF 0.4 ACRES ADJACENT TO THE NICHOLAS DAWSON NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

THE LOCATION OF THE DEDICATION IS ABOUT 0.6 MILES FROM WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE RELATION OF THE TWO SITES ON THE MAP IN THE PRESENTATION.

THE SITE PROPOSED FOR PARKLAND DEDICATION CURRENTLY SERVES AS A PARKING LOT FOR THE EL MERCADO RESTAURANT ON THE CORNER OF WEST GIBSON STREET AND SOUTH FIRST STREET.

THE SITE IS RELATIVELY FLAT, UNENCUMBERED, AND SUITABLE FOR ACTIVE RECREATION, WHICH WOULD BENEFIT AS AN EXPANSION TO NICHOLAS DAWSON PARK.

THE SUPERIORITY HERE IS ACHIEVED BECAUSE THE VALUE OF THE SITE PROPOSED FOR DEDICATION WOULD EXCEED THE FEES GENERATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OTHERWISE.

SO SINCE THE SITE, THE ONSITE DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE REQUIRED ANY PARK LAND NORMALLY.

UM, WE WOULD'VE ACCEPTED FEES IN LIEU.

SO THE FEES, UH, OR THE VALUE, I'M SORRY, OF THE, UH, EL MECADO PARKING LOT FAR EXCEEDS THE, UH, VALUE OF WHAT THOSE FEES WOULD BE.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF VALUE FOR THE EL MECADO PARKING LOT, RANGING FROM 3.1 TO $3.5 MILLION.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLIDES, UH, THE FEES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PAID UNDER CURRENT CODE AND OUR CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE, IT EQUALS APPROXIMATELY $1.75 MILLION.

UH, GENERALLY, PARD WOULD NOT HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN ABLE TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY WITH THE FEES GENERATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S HOW THE SUPERIORITIES BEING ACHIEVED, UH, THROUGH THIS APPLICATION.

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AND THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

UH, WE ARE ASKING THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD TAKE ACTION ON WHETHER TO RECOMMEND THIS APPLICATION AS BEING SUPERIOR WITH RESPECT TO PARK LINE DEDICATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

BOARD MEMBERS, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS BEING A POD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

UM, IN YOUR TIER SHEET, IT SAYS, UH, SECTION 2.3, POINT SAYS THAT, UH, POD MUST BE AT LEAST 10 ACRES OF LAND UNLESS THE PROPERTY IS CHARACTERIZED BY SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, INCLUDING UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHIC CONSTRAINTS.

AND THE, AND YOU HAVE RESPONDED.

THE APPLICANT CLAIMS THERE ARE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, THAT THE PUD DOES NOT INCLUDE 10 ACRES AS THE PROPERTY CHARACTERIZED BY SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT OF THE WATERFRONT OVERLAY WITHIN THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISIONING FRAMEWORK CLAN.

AND ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT UNDER CURRENT CODE, THERE ARE NO MECHANISMS TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THE VISIONING FRAMEWORK OTHER THAN PARTICIPATING IN THE PUD PROCESS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? WHY, WHY NOT CONVENTIONAL ZONING HERE? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M NECESSARILY THE BEST STAFF PERSON TO ANSWER THAT.

UM, WE'VE GOT THE APPLICANT AND ALSO, OKAY.

AND JONATHAN TOMKO, THE CASE MANAGER WITH ZONING, MAY ALSO HAVE SOME INSIGHT AS TO, UH, THE PUT APPLICATION SIZE SPECIAL CONSTRAINTS.

SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THEM TO HOPEFULLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

LET ME TAKE A STAB AT IT AND THEN I CAN LET LET STAFF GO IF THAT IS ALRIGHT WITH YOU.

SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SOUTH CENTRAL, UM, WATERFRONT PLANNING AREA.

SO MANY DIFFERENT WORDS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

UM, AND THIS PART OF TOWN HAS GONE THROUGH NUMEROUS ROUNDS OF PLANNING AND IDENTIFIED IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND WHAT THE VISION IS FOR THE AREA.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE DEALING WITH, STILL DEALING WITH A VERY BROKEN CODE.

SO THE CODE THAT EXISTS TODAY, THERE IS NOT A CONVENTIONAL ZONING MECHANISM TO ALLOW US TO ACHIEVE WHAT IS PART OF THE VISIONING OF THIS SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLANNING AREA.

SO IT'S THE ONLY ZONING TOOL THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, WITH WHAT'S ENVISIONED IN THE AREA.

CAN YOU TELL ME SPECIFICALLY WHAT PARTS OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT VISION PLAN THAT YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO? AND BY HAVING IT BE PUD ZONING, WHAT'S IT ZONED? CURRENTLY IT'S CSS ONE.

CSS ONE? YES, MA'AM.

SAYING THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BE A PUD AND YOU COULD NOT APPLY FOR MIXED USE ZONING? NO, MA'AM, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.

AND, AND, AND SO CSS ONE HAS A, A VERY STRUCTURED, UM, SET OF CODE REGULATIONS.

IT ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 60 FEET.

IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL USES UNLESS YOU WERE PARTICIPATING IN A, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD STILL HAVE LIMITED RESIDENTIAL ABILITIES.

WHAT THE PUD ALLOWS YOU TO DO IS LOOK FOR SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL DENSITIES AND USES THAT ARE ENVISIONED IN THIS AREA THAT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT.

AND IN EXCHANGE FOR WORKING TOWARDS ACHIEVING ADDITIONAL DENSITY AND USES, YOU THEN WORK THROUGH THE SUPERIORITY MATRIX.

AND SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH A CITY STAFF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SUPERIORITY, ONE OF THOSE BEING PARKLAND, WHERE WE WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE SUBJECT TO ANY ONSITE PARKLAND.

AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A, A, A DEDICATION OF PARK OF PARKLAND THAT, UM, WOULD EXPAND THE EXISTING PARK.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE, BUT WE HAVE TO CHECK A LONG LIST OF SUPERIORITY ITEMS AS PART OF A POD.

WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, IS THAT YOU COULD APPLY FOR A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT FROM CHANGING FROM CS ONE TO A MIXED USE ZONING.

THERE ISN'T A ZONING DISTRICT THAT EXISTS IN OUR CODE TODAY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A HEIGHT OF OVER 90 FEET.

AND THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLANNING OR SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLANNING AREA ENVISIONED HEIGHTS THAT ARE EXCEED THAT.

SO THIS IS IN ORDER TO GET MORE HEIGHT BUT NOT DEDICATE PARKLAND.

THE, AS A STAFF, YOUR STAFF MENTIONED, A SITE, A PROPERTY OF THIS SIZE WOULD GENERALLY NOT REQUIRE ANY ONSITE DEDICATION.

SO INSTEAD WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WORK WITH STAFF AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO CREATE AN ONSITE OR A DEDICATED AREA THAT IS HALF OF WHAT OUR SITE IS.

OUR SITE IS 0.8 ACRES.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO DEDICATE TO THE CITY 0.4 ACRES, UM, A PROPERTY THAT HAS EXTENSIVELY MORE VALUE THAN WHAT OUR ON ONSITE, OUR FEE AND LIE WOULD BE.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE

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I SAID WE ARE CHOOSING TO BE A PUD.

THERE IS NOT A STANDARD ZONING CATEGORY THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ACHIEVE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE SEEKING.

MEANING THE EXTRA HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT AND DENSITY? YES, MA'AM.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THAT WAS, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT IT WAS PHRASED IN THE TIER SHEET, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU COULD NOT APPLY FOR CONVENTIONAL ZONING AND, AND MEET THE VISION FRAMEWORK.

THE VISIONING FRAMEWORK, AND I CAN LET STAFF SPEAK TO THIS, I BELIEVE THEY'RE HERE, THE VISIONING FRAMEWORK IS TO PROVIDE FOR DENSER DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, GIVEN THE TRANSIT THAT IS LOCATED HERE, THE PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN.

AND AS YOU WILL NOTICE IN SEVERAL OF THE AREAS, UH, THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THIS AREA, THEY HAVE ALL MOVED FORWARD WITH REDEVELOPMENT VIA THE PUD TOOL BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ANOTHER MECHANISM IN OUR TOOLBOX.

UM, THERE WERE SOME PROPOSED THAT HAVE BEEN DERAILED WITH THE DIFFERENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITES THAT DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH.

BUT THE ONLY MECHANISM THAT EXISTS TODAY TO ACHIEVE THE VISIONING FRAMEWORK THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY MULTIPLE COMMUNITY GROUPS IS THROUGH THE PUTT PROCESS.

AND I CAN LET JONATHAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT, JONATHAN TOMKO, I'M PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CASE MANAGER ON THIS CASE.

I THINK, UH, WHAT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF A MISINTERPRETATION OR MISSPEAKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

UH, THERE'S NOT A DISTRICT PLAN, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AND THE CLOSEST THING TO A DISTRICT PLAN IS THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN.

AND SO I THINK WHEN THE APPLICANT PUT IN THE REQUEST FOR PUD ZONING, IT WAS LOOKING AT THE PLAN THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND TRYING TO BE SUPPORTIVE TO THE DIRECTION THAT, UM, COUNCIL IS PROVIDED IN ADOPTING THAT PLAN.

UM, I THINK SOMETIMES PLANNING, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY PLANNING SHOULD HAPPEN IN ADVANCE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT AUSTIN IS GROWING SO FAST THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A DISTRICT PLAN DONE, UH, EXTENSIVELY OUTSIDE OF THE AREA OF THE, OF CENTRAL WATERFRONT PLAN.

AND THIS IS A WAY TO SUPPORT THAT BY GETTING, UH, PUD ZONING ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND SEEKING THAT, UM, TO GET THAT HIGHER, UH, DENSITY AS WAS MENTIONED, TO SUPPORT THE TRANSIT THAT'S IN THAT AREA AND TO PROVIDE ACTIVE PARK SPACE WITHIN, UH, THE VICINITY OF THE, THE SITE.

UM, I THINK WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ACTIVE PARK SPACE RIGHT THERE ON CONGRESS.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE CHILDREN, BUT I DO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'D WANT 'EM, YOU KNOW, CHASING A BALL OUT INTO CONGRESS.

SURE.

BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET A SITE THAT'S HALF THE SIZE OF THIS SITE WITHIN THE VICINITY IS A PRETTY SIZABLE THING TO DO, AND I THINK IT DOES PROVIDE SUPERIORITY.

ONE MORE QUESTION.

WHAT ABOUT DOWNTOWN MIXED USE? SONY, THAT'S 120 FEET.

D M U, UH, D M U CANNOT BE SOUGHT FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE SOUTH OF THE RIVER RIVER.

THEY HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE GEOGRA.

THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION, BUT GENERALLY I'VE NEVER SEEN A D M U CASE THAT'S OUT SOUTH OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF, UH, WHAT WOULD IT BE? I 35 M L K LAMAR, AND, UM, AND THE RIVER.

AND OUR PROPERTY IS ALSO EXCEEDING 120 FEET IN HEIGHT.

SO THE D M U WOULD NOT SUFFICE IN THIS PROPERTY.

I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A MISUSE OF PUD ZONING BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT IS NORMALLY REQUIRED BY THE CODE FOR A PUD.

I, I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORICALLY, MOST OF, UH, AND I WISH I HAD A MAP AND I, I COULD WORK WITH STAFF TO GET ONE, BUT THIS IS NOT A, A ONE-TIME THING.

THERE ARE MANY, MANY PUDS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED SOUTH OF THE RIVER.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THIS ONE, WHAT WAS OFTEN CALLED THE SNOOPY PUD, UM, THAT IS RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF WHERE HOOTERS USED TO BE.

THAT IS A PUD SITE.

IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN, UM, TO LAMAR, WHAT WAS THE, THE TACO CABANA OR THE TKIS, THOSE ARE ALL PUD SITES.

IF YOU GO FURTHER EAST DOWN RIVERSIDE, MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE ALL DEVELOPED WITH PUD SITES.

JUST, WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX OF A CODE THAT EXISTS TODAY TO ACHIEVE WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ACHIEVABLE WITH THE PUD.

AND THE PUDS DO REQUIRE THE SUPERIOR, SUPERIOR ASPECTS THAT YOU WOULD NOT RECEIVE IF YOU CHOSE TO GO, UM, WITH STANDARD ZONING.

THIS IS NOT AN ITEM THAT WOULD EVEN BE IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO PARKLAND REQUIREMENTS.

FOR THE CREATION OF ON SITE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THAT LOCATION.

LAST QUESTION.

WHAT ARE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS? OH, MAN, THAT'S A REALLY LONG LIST.

, THERE IS A, THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE TO UTILIZE WHEN YOU UTILIZE A PET.

SO I'M GONNA RATTLE OFF SOME HIGH LEVEL ONES.

KATE BEHIND ME MIGHT, UM, KIND OF FLICK ME FOR SOME THAT I'M MISSING OFF.

UH, I WAS PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKLAND SIDE OF THIS, NOT THE ENTIRE, UM, IT'S PRIORITY ITEMS, BUT, UM, STARTING WITH PARKLAND, WE ARE DEDICATING TO THE CITY A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS HALF THE SIZE OF OUR PROPERTY WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY AND ADJACENT TO A LARGER PARK THAT ESSENTIALLY FILLS A DONUT.

WE ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS UNDER CONTRACT ACROSS THE STREET THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, GIVE TO FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES

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WE HAVE, UH, SET THIS PROPERTY UP SO THAT WE HAVE AN ACTIVE STREET SCAPE ALONG ALL OF SOUTH CONGRESS.

WE'LL PROVIDE, BE PROVIDING, UM, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA.

WE HAVE A GROUND FLOOR PLAZA.

UM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ASKING FOR OFFSITE, WE'RE NOT ASKING, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO OFFSITE DEDICATION.

WE STILL ARE PROVIDING A GROUND FLOOR PLAZA AT THE CORNER OF CONGRESS.

AND WHAT WOULD BE THE RIVERSIDE EXTENSION? WE'RE PROVIDING WATER BOTTLE STATIONS THAT WILL ALLOW PATRONS THAT ARE GOING DOWN CONGRESS TO GET TO, UM, THE LARGE PARK THAT EXISTS ALONG LADY BIRD LAKE, THE ABILITY TO SOFT GRAB A COFFEE, FILL UP THERE, WATER, AND CONTINUE ALONG THE WAY.

WE ARE PROVIDING OFF SITE, UH, I'M SORRY, ON ONSITE, YOU KNOW, UH, DROP OFF AREAS WHICH COULD OTHERWISE BE ON SOUTH CONGRESS.

WE'RE PROVIDING AN UPDATED ROADWAY NETWORK.

I COULD KEEP GOING FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'RE DOING BEEKEEPING ON SITE.

THAT'S FINE.

WE ARE FINE.

WE ARE REDUCING OUR PARKINGS.

UM, THERE'S A VERY LONG LIST OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT, AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE REQUIRED.

IF THIS PROJECT WAS NOT, UM, SEEKING A PUD, THEY WOULD, NONE OF THOSE WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER CONVENTIONAL ZONING.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS? BOARD MEMBERS? YES, I, YES I DO.

I'M, I'M CURIOUS WHERE THE LAND IS THAT YOU'RE GIVING TO FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN AND SHOW THE MAP OR, OR GIVE, IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED PARK.

SO THE EL MECADO OWNS BOTH THE EL MECADO RESTAURANT, WHICH ON IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE PARKING THAT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

AND SO WE WOULD PROPOSE, UH, THE PIECE THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE PARK, UM, SERVE THE PARKLAND NEED, AND THEN PROVIDE THE ONSITE HOUSING OR THE HOUSING, UM, ON THE SITE TO THE SOUTH OF THE ROAD ON THE SOUTH.

AND THAT, THAT PIECE OF, THAT PARCEL OF LAND IS, IS BIG ENOUGH FOR FOUNDATION TO BUILD A COMMUNITY ON.

YES, MA'AM.

A BUILDING, SO MANY, SO MANY BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE, NOT ENOUGH PARKLAND.

THE BOTH OF THOSE SITES ARE UNDER CONTRACT.

THEY, THE CITY, THE FAMILY CHOSE TO PUT THOSE ON THE MARKET, AND OUR CLIENT HAS BOTH PROPERTIES UNDER CONTRACT.

AND AS THE PUD GOES FORWARD, IF THE PUD IS APPROVED, WOULD, UM, TRANSITION THOSE AS NECESSARY.

SO TO BE CLEAR, THE FOUNDATION COMMUNITY SITE WOULD BE GOING ON TOP OF WHERE EL MEDO IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE FUTURE? YES, MA'AM.

GREAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MEMBERS? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES PORTION.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT YOU WERE GOING THROUGH, OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL, AN EXTRA STEP THAT Y'ALL, LIKE AN EXTRA THING THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING AS PART OF YOUR IT'S DEVELOPMENT? IT'S ONE OF SUPERIOR ITEMS, SUPERIORITY ITEMS THAT WE WORKED INTO THIS PUD UM, KNOWING WHERE THE SITE IS AND WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO, UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PUDS DO REQUIRE ONSITE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, OR A FEE AND LIE.

WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO AND, AND TRYING TO ESTABLISH THIS PARTNERSHIP IS WE KNEW THAT WE COULD PROVIDE SOME ONSITE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE COULD MAKE A LARGER IMPACT AT DEEPER LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY, UH, IN LARGER QUANTITIES IF WE PARTNERED WITH FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES.

AND SO WE TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT, UM, HOW WE COULD USE THOSE TWO SITES, ONE FROM A PARKLAND PERSPECTIVE, AND THE OTHER, UM, THE FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES COULD THEN DEVELOP ONE OF THEIR PROJECTS ON.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, THEN THE, UM, SO THERE'S GONNA BE THE PARK ON THE NORTH, SOUTH, NORTH SIDE OF GIBSON NORTH, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IT'S GONNA BE LAND USED BY GONNA BE, IS THAT PLAN GONNA BE GIVEN TO FOUNDATION, LIKE THE CITY AS, OR IS IT WHO, WHO'S GONNA BE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTO THE NITTY GRITTY, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO THERE.

UM, SO ESSENTIALLY AS PART OF OUR PUD WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT, UM, OUR CLIENT HAS THAT PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT.

AND AT THE TIME THAT THE PUD IS APPROVED, IT WOULD BE THEN, UM, SOLD TO FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES FOR I THINK IT MIGHT BE A DOLLAR.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS OF THAT.

BUT ESSENTIALLY IT, FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES ENDS UP BECOMING THE OWNER OF THE LAND OF THE DEVELOPER AND THEY RUN, UM, AND ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE, THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE SO GOOD AT DOING.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I LIVE NEXT TO A FOUNDATION COMMUNITY.

SORRY, WAS SOMEONE WAS GONNA SAY, SORRY, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY BOARD MEMBERS.

I JUST WANNA REMIND THAT YOU, THAT WE'RE POSTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN RESPECT TO THE PARKLAND.

JUST TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T GET, UH, TOO FAR OFF OF THE, UM, WHAT WAS POSTED, BUT I, I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING.

ALSO, JUST WANTED JUST A GENTLE REMINDER.

TREES, CEFS, NATURAL AND TRADITIONAL CHARACTER OF THE LAND.

UH, BOARD MEMBER.

REID, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO, AS FAR AS DEFINITION FOR PUDS REGARDING PARKLAND, UM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO EXCEED OPEN GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS BY 10%, 15%, 20%, UM, AND PROVIDE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION FOR AIR, WATER,

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AND SO, UM, IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO ENVISION THIS AS PUD ZONING WHEN IT'S SUCH A SMALL AREA.

AND, UM, IF IT'S NOT, DOESN'T REALLY QUALIFY AS PUD ZONING.

IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT THE PARKLAND DEDICATION IS, UM, SUPERIOR IN, IN EACH OF THOSE.

UM, SO THERE'S A MENU, LIKE I SAID, OF, UH, SUPERIOR ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET WITH A PUD AND EACH OF THOSE WE ARE ABLE TO SHOW THAT WE ARE MEETING.

AND THE ONES THAT YOU JUST READ THAT TALK ABOUT OPEN SPACE, THEY ALSO HAVE ITEMS THAT TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN DO ADDITIONAL ITEMS IF YOU ARE A SMALL URBAN SITE.

WE ARE PROVIDING, UH, ONSITE OPEN SPACE.

WE ARE PROVIDING MULTIPLE LEVELS OF OPEN SPACE.

UM, YOU MENTIONED ENVIRONMENTAL SUPERIORITY.

WE ARE PROVIDING, UM, WE ARE TREATING OFFSITE WATER.

WE ARE PROVIDING RAIN GARDENS.

WE ARE PROVIDING NATIVE LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE.

WE ARE PROVIDING AN URBAN BEEKEEPING INITIATIVE.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THE BIRDS AND THE BEES AND THE BATS.

UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MEET WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE PUT REGULATIONS.

ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER HAVE ANYTHING? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT AT THIS TIME.

UH, OKAY.

SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I, I'M JUST IN GENERAL, UH OH.

OH.

IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE I JUST ALWAYS, LIKE, I, I DON'T COME INTO THESE THINGS, UH, SWAYED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AS IT COMES TO THIS.

BUT I THINK, AT LEAST FOR ME PERSONALLY, AFTER HEARING FROM IT ALL, SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE NORTH AND THE NORTH SIDE OF GIBSON, EVEN THOUGH IT BREAKS MY HEART THAT EL MECADO MAY BE GOING AWAY.

UH, BUT, UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, IT, IT, I'M REALLY, UH, IMPRESSED BY THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT THEY'VE TAKEN TO INCREASE THE DAWSON PARKLAND TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN REALLY THOUGHTFUL.

SO I I I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HEARING ALL OF THAT.

UM, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS BEFORE MR. BECK? UH, BOARD MEMBER BECKER? I MEAN, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF EL MERCADO IS ACTUALLY GOING AWAY OR IF THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, MOVING SOUTH LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE CAN GET CLOSER TO WHERE YOU ALREADY LIVE.

I MEAN, IF THEY MOVE CLOSER TO WHERE I'M, THAT'S MOVE TO YOUR DISTRICT, THAT'S DANGEROUS.

UM, ALRIGHT.

WELL, ALL RIGHT.

SO BOARD MEMBERS, UH, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL THAT THE 3 1 1 SOUTH CONGRESS PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS SUPERIOR WITH RESPECT TO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UM, AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.

IS THERE A SECOND OR IS THERE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? DO YOU NEED A SECOND FIRST? YEAH.

OH YEAH.

SORRY.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND AS A BOARD A SECOND.

FROM BOARD MEMBER OF FLOWERS.

ANY DISCUSSION? UM, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT 0.8 ACRES IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION SHOULD NOT BE DESIGNATED A PUD AND BOARD MEMBER BECKER.

I, I MEAN, AGREE THAT THE CITY HAS, AND, AND THAT THE, WE HAVE FOUND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE THAT WE HAVE HAD TO STRETCH THE DEFINITION OR STRETCH THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT IS POSSIBLE WITH A BUD OVER AND OVER.

ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT HAS BEEN UNCHANGED FOR FAR TOO LONG IN A CITY THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS A REWRITE.

SO I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST WANNA SORT OF SAY, I UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT THE REASONING FOR WHY WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST AND WHY THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO DO IT HERE.

UM, AND SEP SEPARATE AND APART FROM THAT, UH, LET'S CALL IT A STRUCTURAL ISSUE.

THIS IS A, IT'S A PRETTY SOLID TRADE.

IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE GETTING A PRETTY GOOD POKEMON CARD OUT OF THIS ONE AT THE CITY.

RENEGADE ON AND THAT WE SHOULD SUPPORT.

, YOU KNOW, I'D BE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THAT TRADE IN, UH, IN MOST SITUATIONS.

SO THAT'S MY INTEREST IS IN SUPPORTING IT ALONG THOSE LINES.

IT'S A STRONG TRADE FOR THE CITY.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT PIECE OF LAND TO ATTACH TO THAT PARK, AND I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF IT FOR THAT REASON.

I THINK TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT A BOARD MEMBER BECKER SAID IS I DO THINK THERE IS, UM, ARGUABLY, UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING BOARD MEMBER READ IS CAN, IT, CAN, CAN IS, IS FACTUAL.

HOWEVER, I THINK THAT FOR ME, I'M FOCUSING MORE ON LIKE THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.

UM, WHICH GOES TO WHAT BOARD MEMBER BECKER WAS SAYING IS WE'RE, I THINK THE CITY IS GETTING A REALLY GREAT DEAL AS IT PERTAINS TO PARKS AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS.

AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HOPEFULLY, UM, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AGREE THAT WE, WE SHOULD NOT

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SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, WELL, I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY BRINGING UP A SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I'M, I'M FOCUSING MORE ON WHAT THE, THE, THE PARK THAT THE, THE PARK PORTION OF IT IS.

UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY I WISH, I WISH I COULD REWRITE THE LINE CODE MYSELF, BUT I CAN'T.

UM, WHICH WOULD SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU RAISED BOARD MEMBER REED.

BUT, UM, YEAH.

SO AT THIS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.

AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA ASK, I GUESS MOVE, GONNA GO TO A VOTE.

THREE.

FOUR.

THE MOTION FOR ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

OH, UH, ALL THOSE ABSTAINING ONE.

SO I WILL, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN CHANGE MY VOTE TO BRING IT BACK.

I CAN CHANGE MY VOTE TO BE IN THE PREVAILING PARTY OR THE PREVAILING PARTY.

SORRY, I'M JUST ASKING MY, I'M ASKING MY PARLIAMENTARIAN A QUESTION.

, HOW CAN MOTION OKAY.

OH MAN, MY MAJORITY.

ALL RIGHT.

SORRY, I, I JUST HAD A PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION THAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

THE VOTE IS 4, 2, 1.

UH, THE MOTION DOES NOT, UH, PASS.

UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE, UH, ANOTHER MOTION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? AND JUST EVERYONE'S CLEAR, IT WAS, IT, IT, IT HAS TO BE A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, WHICH IS 11.

SO THAT MEANS SIX.

YOU NEED SIX VOTES TO PASS.

I KNOW, I, I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE ALWAYS LOOKING AT ME CONFUSED AND I'M LIKE, IT FAILED EVEN THOUGH MORE, MORE ANYWAYS.

UM, SIX VOTES IN ORDER TO PASS SOMETHING, JUST TO CORRECT THE RECORD ON THAT VOTE.

I THINK IT WAS FOUR TWO, NOT FOUR.

ONE FOUR.

FOUR FOUR FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.

TWO AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION AND ONE ABSTAIN.

ABSTAINING, YEAH.

SO BASED ON, UH, THE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE MISSING A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.

I'LL SECOND.

UH, HOW MANY BOARD MEMBERS ARE WE MISSING? OH, THERE'S A SECOND.

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SO NOW THAT THIS IS R RANDY SCOTT, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, I MANAGE PARKLAND ACQUISITION, PARKLAND DEDICATION, UH, WE CAN BRING THIS ITEM BACK NEXT MONTH.

THE APPLICANT'S, UH, IS WILLING TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH.

SO THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO COME BACK.

AND, UM, HOW MANY BOARD MEMBERS AREN'T HERE RIGHT NOW? FOUR.

SO THERE'S A MOTION, THERE'S A SECOND.

UM, SO MY REASONING WOULD BE, I MEAN, WITH, GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT PRESENT MAY FEEL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND WE SHOULD HAVE THEIR FEELINGS RECORDED ON THIS ITEM.

CAN I ASK STAFF IF THAT'S ALLOWED? AFTER WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THIS TO HAVE A RE-VOTE? WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE REASON WHY WE COULD BRING IT BACK IS BECAUSE THERE WASN'T SUFFICIENT COURT THERE.

I BELIEVE WE CAN BRING IT BACK.

I, I I WILL DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU WOULD HAVE A QUO OR WE WOULDN'T BE VOTING.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I HAVE TO CHECK AND WE COULD SEE IF WE CAN BRING IT BACK LIKE THIS.

BOARD, BOARD MEMBERS, MY RECOLLECTION, THIS HAPPENED ONE TIME BEFORE, AND MY RECOLLECTION IS, IS THAT YOU CAN PUT AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE AGENDA NEXT TIME THAT ALLOWS YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS VOTE, AND THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE PRESENTATION AGAIN.

BUT YOU CAN'T RECON WE CAN'T EX WE JUST CAN'T PUT IT ON AS A RECONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS, IT'S NOT A ONE CONTIGUOUS MEETING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO WHEN, WHEN YOU MIGHT HEAR CITY COUNCIL SAY THEY'RE GONNA RECONSIDER, THEY RECONSIDER IN THE MEETING, THE ACTUAL MEETING BEFORE THEY RECESS, BUT ONCE YOU RECESS THE MEETING, YOU HAVE TO PUT THE AGENDA ITEM ON SAYING YOU'D LIKE TO RECONSIDER IT, AND THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY RECONSIDER IT.

THANKS, DIRECTOR.

I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.

THAT SOUNDS RIGHT TO ME.

WE WERE HAVING A, A, A SPIRIT OF DEBATE AS TO WHAT EXACTLY COULD OCCURRED.

I JUST DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN ONE MEETING AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING, I HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP WITHOUT, I DON'T KNOW.

OFF THE TOP OF YOUR, LIKE IF WE ARE, OH, I'M BEING TOLD BY, UH, SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD RECONSIDER, YOU CAN TAKE AN ACTION TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE AND POSTPONE IT FOR NEXT TIME.

I STILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A SUGGESTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE.

SO YOU VOTE TO RECONSIDER IT AND THEN POSTPONE THAT WE COULD VOTE TO RECONSIDER TODAY IS WHAT YOU'RE TODAY, AND THEN POSTPONE THE ITEM FOR NEXT TIME.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD, I I THINK YOU COULD DO THAT.

YOU COULD ALSO PUT IT ON NEXT TIME TO RECONSIDER.

SO JUST A MOMENT.

I GUESS THAT WHAT ARE EASIEST TO BRING IT BACK ON? I DON'T CONSIDER RIGHT NOW.

I DUNNO.

WE CAN DO THAT NEXT.

YEAH, I CAN, I CAN PASSES IT THAT NIGHT.

DO WE HAVE TO HEAR? NO, WE, YEAH, NOW, OR I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION SUMMARY.

SO I'M GONNA WITHDRAW THE MOTION I HAD ON THE FLOOR, AND I'M GONNA MAKE A NEW MOTION THAT FOR NEXT TIME'S AGENDA, WE ADD THE RECONSIDERATION OF THIS SPECIFIC ITEM TO THE AGENDA AND WE WILL TAKE A VOTE ON IT NEXT TIME TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM IF THIS MOTION CARRIES.

SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYONE PRESENT? OKAY.

THAT'S MY MOTION THAT'S OUT THERE.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION

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ABOUT THAT.

SOMETHING, SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT WITH THIS.

IT, IT FEELS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT PAST VOTES, IF I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY IT WENT, I COULD HAVE SAID, WELL, LET'S PUT THIS VOTE OFF TILL THE NEXT TIME, BECAUSE SO AND SO WHO VOTED SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN VOTING, OR FOR WHATEVER REASON WE, WE JUST VOTED AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.

AND, AND I VOTED FOR IT, BY THE WAY.

BUT, UM, LOGISTICALLY I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF.

IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE A ROGUE BOARD AT THIS MOMENT.

I HAVE.

LET ME, LET ME JUST, HOW MANY MORE GEN ITEMS WE HAVE? ALRIGHT.

UM, IS IT OKAY IF EVERYONE, IF WE JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'RE GONNA PUT EVERYTHING ON THE RECORD, LISA.

THANKS.

STANDS AS IS OR WHAT'S THE PLAN? SO THE, YEAH, SO THE LAST VOTE, UH, THE BOARD MEMBER, UH, FLOWERS RESCINDED THE LAST MOTION SHE JUST MADE.

SO THE LAST ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN BY THIS BOARD WAS A VOTE TO RECOMMEND THE, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL, THE 3 1 1 SOUTH CONGRESS PUD APPLICATION AT SUPERIOR WITH RESPECT TO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

THAT MOTION FAILED FOR TWO, ONE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY WAS NOT ACHIEVED.

SO THEREFORE, NOTHING, NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN ON THAT RECOMMENDATION.

SO, UM, THE, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT OR SOMEONE FROM THE APPLICANT'S TEAM INFORMED US THAT THEY'RE JUST GONNA MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITHOUT A REC OR AS ASSUME, ASSUME ASSUMING NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS WITHOUT ANY RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS PARKS, FROM, FROM OUR BOARD.

SO THAT'S SOLVED MY PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY BY, BECAUSE IT JUST MADE IT MOOT.

SO AT THIS POINT, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'M PROBABLY GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.

THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T, UH, PLANNING ON REINTRODUCING THIS FOR ANOTHER VOTE NEXT MONTH WITH WHICH I THINK WE WERE ALL GETTING A LITTLE HUNG UP ON THAT PARLIAMENTARY LEE SPEAKING.

YEAH, YEAH.

NO, THEY MADE IT MOOT.

UH, THEY MADE THAT, THAT, THAT BECAME MOOT.

OKAY, THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UM, ANY OTHER RE UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, SUGGESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? OKAY, WE'RE NOW MOVING

[6. Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to Austin City Council on whether the George Morales Dove Springs Recreation Center gymnasium at Dove Springs District Park should be named in honor of D’Wayne Anderson. ]

ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

UM, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO AUSTIN.

CITY COUNCIL ON WHETHER THE GEORGE DALE SUPREME RECREATION CENTER, GYMNASIUM, ABVE SPRINGS SHOULD BE NAMED IN HONOR OF DWAYNE ANDERSON.

AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS.

WE'LL CALL THE SPEAKER TIFFANY CABIN.

SHE'S NOT HERE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PRESENTATION.

SO, SO, WE'LL ACTUALLY, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO, UM, I'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR A POSTPONEMENT ON THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

THIS IS A FEATURE AND FEATURES ARE NOT ARE, UH, AT THE, AT THE, UM, DECISION MAKING PROCESS OF THE, IT, IT STOPS AT THE, IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.

AND SO SINCE THIS SAYS, UM, WE WILL HAVE TO WITHDRAW AND THEN RESUBMIT FOR NEXT TIME AROUND.

SO, SORRY ABOUT THAT, STEPH, THIS IS OFFICIAL REQUEST OR OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION THAT STEPH WITHDRAWING THIS FOR, FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION.

WE'LL BRING IT BACK NEXT TIME.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

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REAL QUICKLY, JUST TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD, 'CAUSE I'M SURE THAT EVERYONE'S GONNA BE LIKE, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND OTHER STUFF.

JUST REALLY QUICKLY, WHAT THE REASON THAT I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE BROUGHT THIS BACK AND WERE NOT BRINGING IT BACK IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE, UH, BENEFITS THAT I THOUGHT, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAD, UH, WAS GONNA GIVE TO THE CITY.

AND I WOULD'VE WANTED TO SEE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, UM, WHO WERE NOT PRESENT, FOUR OF WHICH WERE NOT PRESENT, FOUR OF WHICH WERE NOT PRESENT, INCLUDING THE ONE WHO, UH, WAS APPOINTED BY THE REP, BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO REPRESENT THAT AREA.

SO I DON'T WANT ANYTHING, ANYONE TO THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING NEFARIOUS.

IT WAS JUST, UH, I WANTED THAT TO HAPPEN.

AND SO, BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING IT BACK UP.

AND CHAIR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK? YEAH.

UM, YEAH.

IN THE FUTURE IF, UM, I, I THINK MAYBE WE COULD DO A MOTION TO POSTPONE IF WE'RE MISSING A LARGE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS AND AN ITEM COMES UP, BUT BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.

ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE GONNA

[7. Discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation to Austin City Council to allow for public comment prior to approval of the Barton Springs Bathhouse Rehabilitation project; to develop a Transportation Plan for visitors to Barton Springs during the Bathhouse Rehabilitation Construction; to develop a transportation plan within Zilker Park utilizing shuttles, and; to increase public transit to Barton Springs Pool during weekends in the Summer.]

GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION PROJECT TO DEVELOP A TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR VISITORS TO BARTON SPRINGS DURING THE BATH OF REHABILITATION CONSTRUCTION, AND TO DEVELOP A TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WITHINS PARK, UTILIZING SHUTTLES AND TO INCREASE PUBLIC TRANSIT TO BARTON SPRINGS POOL DURING WEEKENDS IN THE SUMMER.

UM, UH, AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR NOW TO BOARD MEMBER REED AND BOARD MEMBER HAGMAN.

WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THAT ITEM CHAIR.

UH, CALLING BILL BUNCH TO THE FLOOR.

UH, THANK YOU BILL BUNCH WITH SAVE OUR SPRINGS ALLIANCE.

UH, SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM, UM, I HOPE THAT IT, I THINK IT'S UNDERSTOOD TO INCLUDE A PUBLIC MEETING EITHER AT OR RIGHT OUTSIDE THE BATHHOUSE FOR THE REGULAR SWIMMERS.

UM, THIS THING HAS DRAGGED OUT FOR SO LONG, SO MANY DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS, UH, UM, BATHHOUSE RESTORATION PROJECT FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, STILL DON'T REALLY HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF THE PROCESS, UH, OR THE ACTUAL, UH, SUBSTANCE OF WHAT IS GONNA BE DONE.

THERE'S VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE, UM, ESPECIALLY THE STAGING.

SO JUST, I'LL NAME TWO.

UH, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE OTHERS, THE STAGING, THE STAGING SHOULD REALLY BE CONFINED.

THERE SHOULD BE SOME EFFORT TO COMBINE THE STAGING SO WE'RE NOT BLOCKING OFF THE TRAFFIC AND HINDERING PUBLIC ACCESS FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS OR HOWEVER LONG IT'S GONNA BE.

UM, WE SEE DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE DOING THESE GIANTS SKYSCRAPERS ON LITTLE TINY FOOTPRINTS.

WE, WE, WE HAVE A ONE STORY BATHHOUSE FOR RESTORATION.

WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE OUR STUFF SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO SHUT DOWN THE PARKING LOT OR THE DRIVE THROUGH.

UM, SECONDLY, UH, THE PLAN HAD ONE POINT HAD CALLED FOR COMPLETELY SHUTTING DOWN THE CURRENT ACCESS WINDOW, UM, AND FORCING PEOPLE, UH, LIKE THEY DID DECADES AGO TO GO THROUGH THE BATHHOUSE TO GET INTO THE POOL.

ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE CUTTING OFF THE TICKET TAKER SLASH LIFEGUARD FROM WHERE THEY CANNOT SEE THE POOL.

AND THAT'S A FUNDAMENTALLY DANGEROUS SITUATION.

UH, WHEN YOU'RE UNDERSTAFFED, THEY CLEARLY HAD THEIR BRAINS, THEIR HEADS SCREWED ON RIGHT WHEN THEY MOVED THE ACCESS TO THE MIDDLE OF THE POOL, RIGHT ABOVE WHERE THE DIVING BOARD IS, WHERE YOU CAN SEE, AND YOU HAVE COMMUNICATIONS WITH AMBULANCES COMING IN, ANY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE WHOLE POOL WHILE YOU'RE ALSO ADDRESSING THE GATE TRAFFIC.

SO PLEASE, WE NEED, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THESE ISSUES.

PROCESS AND, AND THE STAGING AREA, UH, TEMPORARY BATHROOMS, ET CETERA.

CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FIRST PART? YOU SAID I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH IT.

SORRY.

ABOUT THE COMMUNITY INPUT OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID I DIDN'T CATCH IT.

YEAH, JUST THAT, AND, AND I THINK MS. MCNEELY HAS AGREED TO THIS, THAT, THAT WE NEED A PUBLIC MEETING TO, TO, THAT EVERYBODY WOULD IN BE INVITED TO, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THE REGULAR SWIMMERS, THE BATHHOUSE USERS, UM, UH, ON SITE WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND STAFF WITH THE DRAWINGS WHERE PEOPLE CAN REALLY SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE TO THE BATHHOUSE AND THEN ALSO THE

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THANK YOU CHAIR.

I CAN CONFIRM THAT, UH, MR. BUNCH AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, AT BOTH COUNCIL MEETINGS AND WE HAVE AGREED TO THAT.

IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING THE COORDINATION TOGETHER, BUT YES, THE ANSWER IS YES.

YOU CERTAINLY CAN PUT THAT IN YOUR RESOLUTION OR I'M SORRY, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT IT'S ALREADY GONNA HAPPEN.

YEAH, AND I'LL, I'LL SAVE THIS FOR DISCUSSION, BUT SOME RED FLAGS ARE GOING UP FOR ME IN REGARDS TO THAT PLAN, BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN DISCUSSION.

UM, I WILL OPEN IT.

IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER? I HAD TWO SPEAKERS DOWN FOR THIS.

WAS I WRONG? IT WAS JUST THE ONE OKAY.

BOARD MEMBER.

UH, RE YES.

SO CHAIR, I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TURN OFF.

OH, SORRY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR TRANSIT SOLUTION DURING THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION, UM, AS WRITTEN, IS THERE A SECOND BOARD MEMBER? HAMAN? OKAY, I CAN HAVE A SECOND.

ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.

UM, BOARD MEMBER READ, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BEGIN.

SURE.

UM, JUST TO EXPLAIN, UM, AND, AND KIND OF IN ANSWER TO ONE OF THE EARLIER SPEAKERS, UM, THIS RECOMMENDATION IS NOT BEING BROUGHT FORTH TO DELAY THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION PROJECT, BUT RATHER, UM, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, UH, SOME TIME FOR COMMENT.

AND THE MAYOR HAS, UM, RECENTLY FOR THE, UM, RECENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS HAS BROUGHT FORTH AN IDEA TO HAVE SOME JOINT COMMISSION MEETINGS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR MORE PUBLIC INPUT.

UM, I THINK PROBABLY THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT THE MAYOR HAS ASKED FOR A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND THEN A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND THEN ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT THREE TIMES.

AND SO THAT, UM, IS WHERE THE FIRST PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION IS COMING FROM, THAT THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, ALLOWING FOR THREE TIMES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND WITH THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OVERSEEING THIS REHABILITATION PROJECT, IT MAKES SENSE THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, IN CHARGE OF DEVELOPING A TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR VISITORS TO BARTON SPRINGS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION.

THAT WOULD HELP WITH, UM, SOME OF THE DIVERSION OF PARKING.

AND OCTOBER 5TH WAS THE DATE I BELIEVE THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS GOING TO CONSIDER, UH, THE S O S AMENDMENT FOR THE BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION PROJECT.

AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL SO THAT THEY CAN CONSIDER DIRECTING TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS TO DEVELOP A TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR VISITORS, UM, ALONG WITH CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF THE S O S AMENDMENT.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ALSO ABOUT THE OTHER PARTS OF THE RECOMMENDATION I MIGHT WEIGH IN HERE.

UM, BILL BUNCH HAD A, HAD A GOOD SUGGESTION TO ALLOW THE, THE POOL USERS AND THE BATHHOUSE USERS, UH, TO HAVE A, A PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU KNOW, ON LOCATION.

AND WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT AS A, AS A FOURTH OPPORTUNITY ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.

UH, THERE JUST ISN'T A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

UM, BOARD MEMBER REED AND I WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH TRANSPORTATION TODAY AND, AND SOMETHING GOT MIXED UP IN THE SIGNAL, SO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

BUT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE, UH, THE ZIL OR SHUTTLE GROUP WORKING GROUP, UH, MAKING STRIDES WITH TRANSPORTATION, UM, ON, ON ON THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

AND SO, UM, WE, WE JUST WANT TO BRING TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION THAT THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A HUGE PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO COMMENCE IN JANUARY.

AND, AND BASICALLY VERY LITTLE DISCUSSION AND PLANNING ON PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION, ON, ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THOSE.

UH, WHAT WE HAVE ESTIMATED 800, UH, PEOPLE AN HOUR THAT COME TO BARTON SPRINGS DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, SO WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK? SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE IMPETUS OF THIS RECOMMENDATION

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BOARD MEMBERS.

UM, AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING, UH, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE NOTE THAT ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 21ST, ITEM 1 0 4 WAS ACTUALLY CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE REGARDING THE SITE SPECIFIC AMENDMENT TO THE SAVE OUR SPRINGS TO ADDRESS THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE THAT, I BELIEVE BOARD MEMBER REED, THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN ON OCTOBER 5TH, BUT IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

IT HAPPENED ON, UNLESS THERE'S A DIFFERENT ONE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF OR THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERENCING, BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT IT ALREADY HAPPENED.

IT WAS ITEM NUMBER 1 0 4.

ON, ON THE LAST AGENDA, I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR DID PROPOSE THAT, UM, SOMETHING WAS POSTPONED AND UNTIL OCTOBER 5TH REGARDING THE BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION, BUT YOU'RE NOT SEEING THAT.

A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT THAT BENEFITS THE PARK AS A WHOLE AS OPPOSED TO SEEMINGLY BEING REACTIVE TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE RENOVATION PLAN.

I THOUGHT IT WAS POSTPONE.

I'M NOT CONCERNED, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS POSTPONE.

I, I'LL KEEP LOOKING, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT I'LL KEEP LOOKING WHILE YOU GUYS CONTINUE YOUR CONVERSATION.

ANY COMMENT? UM, BOARD MEMBERS, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY HEARING OR THE COMMUNITY SESSION? I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA CALL IT, BUT THAT COMMUNITY EVENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT BARTON SPRINGS.

WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT? OR WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, OR, I KNOW MR. BUNCH BROUGHT IT UP.

WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF THAT? I, I THINK MAYBE TO JUST GIVE SOME INPUT ON, UM, ON HOW USERS GET TO THE POOL AND ALSO, UM, TO, TO HELP WITH A TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND SOME, UM, SOME PUBLIC INPUT.

I THINK IT'S A, A, A LOGICAL PLACE TO RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT IS GO TO THE PEOPLE, UH, RATHER THAN HAVE THEM COME TO CITY HALL SINCE SO MANY OF THEM GATHER AT BARTON SPRINGS.

WHY NOT HAVE THEM, UH, GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO AIR THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS THERE.

MIKE? MIKE? I, I APPRE, I, I, I GENERALLY AM IN FAVOR OF HAVING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, COMMUNITY EVENTS.

MY WORRY IS THAT WE'RE FALLING INTO THE SAME TRAPS THAT WE FELL INTO BACK IN 20 18, 20 19, WHEN THERE WAS BATHHOUSE RENOVATION COMMUNITY EVENTS, MOST, UH, TWO OF WHICH WERE HELD IN OR AROUND THE BARTON SPRINGS AREA, AND WHICH RESULTED IN 80% OR MORE OF THE RESPONDENTS BEING OF CAUCASIAN DESCENT, WHICH THAT IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE TO ME OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, IN WHICH IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FALLING BACK INTO THAT SAME TRAP.

SO FOR ME, THAT IS JUST A NON-STARTER.

UM, IF WE'RE GONNA DO, IF, IF, IF THIS PASSES, AND IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN IT HAS TO BE A MORE, UH, THE, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PART HAS TO EXTEND BEYOND JUST SS BARTON SPRINGS, UM, INTO THE AREAS THAT THE COMMUNITY, UH, IN THEIR PART OF TOWN FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING IN.

WHETHER IT'S THE CARVER LIBRARY, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER, WHATEVER, WHATEVER.

I'M NOT EVEN GONNA NAME THE FACILITIES, BUT, UM, I'M JUST THROWING IT.

I'M JUST, I'M GIVING, LETTING THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW THAT THAT IS HUGE CONCERN FOR ME, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AND IN REGARDS TO THIS, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMELINE, UM, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT A BUNCH OF MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN RAISED IN ORDER TO DO THIS.

AND THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS INCREASE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH A DELAY IN THIS PROJECT.

'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW, LIKE THINGS ARE NOT GETTING CHEAPER AT ALL.

SO THE MORE WE DELAY, YOU KNOW, RUNNING INTO THE PROJECT CONNECT ISSUE, WHICH IS WE WAIT, AND THINGS ARE JUST GETTING PROHIBITIVELY MORE EXPENSIVE.

SO I, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY MAIN, I GUESS MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UM, MOTION, UH, OR THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION IS WHETHER THAT IS GONNA BE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF IT.

'CAUSE ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT THE INTENDED EFFECT, BUT I WORRIED IF IT'S GONNA BE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF IT.

UM, AND THEN THIRDLY, I WONDER IF PART OF THE REASON WE SET UP THE ZILKER PARK SHUTTLE WORKING GROUP WAS BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ADDRESS, TO PARK ISSUES THAT EXIST THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PARK.

THE BUTLER, POSSIBLY THE BUTLER LANDFILL.

UM, WHETHER IT'S BETTER ADDRESSED ANYMORE, WHETHER THIS ISSUE IS GONNA BE BETTER, IS BETTER ADDRESSED, UH, ANYMORE IN A, IN A PLANNING PROCESS THAT IS

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SO THOSE ARE KIND OF LIKE MY CONCERNS, UM, WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION.

UM, THANK YOU CHAIR.

CAN I RESPOND? YES.

SO, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN SIMPLIFY.

I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION, AND THIS IS REALLY KIND OF COMING FROM THE, THE ZILKER SHUTTLE WORKING GROUP, IN RESPONSE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WERE ON ONE WEEKEND, 11,565 ATTENDEES AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL ON ONE DAY, 11,565 ATTENDEES.

SO THEY ALL HAD TO GET THERE IN SOME WAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY WERE EITHER PARKING SOMEWHERE IN THE PARK OR NEAR THE PARK.

UM, THE SHUTTLE WAS NOT BEING UTILIZED TO ITS FULL CAPACITY BY ANY MEANS.

AND WITH THE BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION COMING, WE KNOW THAT THAT PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF BARTON SPRINGS WILL BE CLOSED.

AND WE HAVE ALREADY UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED A RECOMMENDATION TO CLOSE THE POLO FIELD TO PAR OVERFLOW PARKING NEXT SUMMER.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS ASKING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECT TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS TO WORK WITH THE ZILKER SHUTTLE WORKING GROUP AND COME UP WITH A GOOD, A ROBUST PLAN THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE BEFORE NEXT SUMMER, RATHER THAN HAVING TO HAVE AN OVERALL PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE PARK.

AND THIS MAY INVOLVE, UH, USING THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE PARK AND SHUTTLES WITHIN THE PARK.

IN FACT, IF TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, CAP METRO WERE INVOLVED IN THIS, TRANSPORTATION COULD BE PLANNED FROM EXTERNAL GARAGES ON BOTH SIDES OF ZILKER.

UM, AND UTILIZE THE SHUTTLES THAT PARK ALREADY OWNS WITHIN THE PARK TO GO FROM THE BUTLER LOT UP TO THE SWIMMING POOL.

AND SO, ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH, UH, CHASE AND REDFERN AT ABOUT THE PARKING OVERALL CITY PARKING STRATEGY THAT CAN, CAN BE UTILIZED AS PART OF THIS TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

UM, AND I THINK THEY ARE HIRING A CONSULTANT.

SO THIS IS JUST MORE OF A, OF AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO GET THE CITY TO DIRECT PUBLIC WORKS TRANSPORTATION TO INCLUDE WITH THIS BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION, A REALLY GOOD PLAN THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH 11,000 PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO THE POOL.

AND IT'S REALLY THE POOL THAT IS THE MAIN ATTRACTION AT ZILKER DURING THE SUMMER AND THE BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION AT THE SAME TIME.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE? I, I, I GUESS MAYBE I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH RISK WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION IF WE STRUCK, UH, PROVISION OR RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE.

IF I MIGHT JUMP IN.

ACTUALLY, I, SO BROADLY, IT SEEMS LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION IS DOING, AND I ABSOLUTELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BOARD MEMBER READ, I FEEL LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION IS TRYING TO DO THREE THINGS, AND I THINK IT REALLY OUGHT TO JUST BE DOING ONE, WHICH IS THE ONE YOU'RE DISCUSSING.

SO THE FIR THE FIRST ONE AROUND PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK IS, IS BROAD.

AND THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT I SHARE AROUND, UM, THE DELAY IN THE PROJECT.

UM, THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS VERY SPECIFIC AROUND DIRECTING TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS TO DEVELOP A TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR VISITORS TO BARTON SPRINGS SEEMS VERY FOCUSED AND UNDERSTANDABLE.

THE THIRD ONE, I THINK WE PUT TOGETHER THE WORKING GROUP, AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S, I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE WORKING GROUP, THOUGH I MISSED THE FIRST MEETING.

SORRY.

UM, I, I DO FEEL LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH 0.3 IS FOR US, IS TO REALLY PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND TREAT THAT AS ITS OWN MOTION, RATHER THAN BROADENING OUT FROM THE SPECIFIC POINT HERE AROUND MAKING CERTAIN THAT THERE IS A VIABLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN PLACE FOR THE SHUTTLES.

SO I'M VER VERY PRO THE SECOND POINT, AND I THINK WHETHER WE DO IT TONIGHT OR IF IT MAKES SENSE TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, TIME BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONTH TO, UM, TO FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE IT MORE COMPREHENSIVE.

I THINK MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS IT'S A LITTLE TOO, IT'S A LITTLE TOO BROAD TO HAVE THE EFFECT THAT WE WOULD WANT IT TO HAVE AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS RECOMMENDS THAT AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL DIRECT TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP A TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR VISITORS TO BARTON SPRINGS DURING THE BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION CONSTRUCTION.

THE OTHER THINGS COULD, AGAIN, I SHARE THE CONCERN ON THE FIRST POINT, AND I THINK THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING AN OVERALL TRANSPORTATION PLAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT THERE'S STILL SOME WORK FOR US TO DO ON THE WORKING GROUP TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH A, LIKE A TRULY STRONG, UM, RECOMMENDATION ON THAT FRONT.

I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S VERY FOCUSED ON THE POINT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE.

WHEREAS

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AND, UM, BOARD MEMBER, HAMAN AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS.

WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS HERE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE THOUGH, I SHOULD SAY .

DIANA PROCTOR IS A TRANSPORTATION PLANNER, AND THANKS TO HER, SHE'S SERVING ON OUR WORKING GROUP.

UM, AND SO WE CAN SIMPLIFY THIS RECOMMENDATION, I THINK, TO GET IT BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL QUICKLY AND NOT DELAY ANY SORT OF OTHER, NOT DELAY THE BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION MOVING FORWARD BY, AS YOU SAID, CHAIR, MAYBE NOT HAVING THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IN THERE.

BUT I DO THINK THAT PART OF THIS SHOULD BE THAT NUMBER THREE, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTS PART TO DEVELOP A TRANSPORTATION PLAN WITHIN ZILKER PARK, US UTILIZING SHUTTLES, BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANY TRANSPORTATION THAT'S COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE PARK, BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE PARK.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOTS OF PEOPLE.

WELL, AND I'LL ADD TO THAT, I THINK THE IMPETUS BEHIND NUMBER THREE WAS THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD APPROVED, UH, PREVIOUSLY ON, UM, CLOSING, CLOSING THE POLO FIELD TO PARKING NEXT SUMMER, AND HA AND REDIRECTING, UH, VISITORS TO THE PARK, TO, TO THE BUTLER GRAVEL LOT AND HAVING SHUTTLES, UH, DELIVER THOSE FOLKS FROM THE BUTLER GRAVEL TO THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, WATER FEATURES.

SO THAT THE BOARD, I, I THINK THAT WAS UNANIMOUS.

UM, THE BOARD FELT GOOD ABOUT THAT DECISION.

AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IN PUTTING NUMBER THREE IN THIS RECOMMENDATION IS CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AS THAT UNFOLDS.

THE CLOSING OF THE POLO FIELD, THE OPENING OF THE BUTLER GRAVEL LOT, AND THE INSTALLATION OF SHUTTLES.

AND SO IT'S, UH, IT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING THAT EFFORT.

UH, NO, I, I, I GET THAT.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT ON BOARD WITH THAT PLAN, LIKE AROUND THE SHUTTLES AND MANAGING THE TRANSPORTATION FLOW THAT WAY.

I JUST, UM, THIS, MAYBE IT'S AN AESTHETIC THING, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMEWHAT DILUTES THE, THE STRENGTH OF THE PROPOSAL TO SAY WE NEED A VERY SPECIFIC PLAN HERE TO DEAL WITH THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE AROUND THE BATHHOUSE.

OH, AND ALSO, YOU OUGHT TO DO THIS REALLY BIG BROAD THING.

LIKE, TO ME, THE VALUE IS REALLY IN SAYING WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT HERE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING LIKE, IF WE, IF WE WANT TO, IF WE WANT TO, AND I DO FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ON THE WORK IN THE WORKING GROUP, UM, UH, SORT OF, UH, FLESH OUT OR BUILD OUT OUR SENSE OF WHAT A TRANSPORTATION PLANT WITH ZILKER PARK UTILIZING SHUTTLES SHOULD BE.

I JUST FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE STRONGER AS A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

LANE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD BE THAT IT'S, UH, REPETITIVE TO, TO HAVE NUMBER THREE IN THERE.

WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THAT ON A PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WANT PAR TO HAVE THAT SHUTTLE OPERATING WITHIN THE PARK.

AND SO I I I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

LET'S SIMPLIFY IT.

SO, SO WE JUST HAVE TWO AND FOUR ON THERE.

HOW DOES THAT SOUND? WELL, THAT SOUNDS, I WAS GONNA SEEK SOME CLARIFICATION TO, UH, MY BOARD MEMBER BECKER IS, UM, GIVEN EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, UH, ARE YOU SAYING THAT FOR YOU, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, FOR YOU, THIS RESOLUTION WOULD BE THE STRONGEST IF IT ONLY HAD RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO AS ITS RECOMMENDATION? UH, YEAH, I WOULD SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A STRIKING ONE AND THREE WOULD MAKE IT STRONGER.

UM, TWO.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, AND I SEE WHERE, I ALSO SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE FOURTH POINT REGARDING REGARDING MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF PROPOSED 2024 TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

I THINK THAT'S FINE.

SINCE IT'S TRYING TO ADDRESS THE SAME ISSUE.

THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD REWORD IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES THAT CLEARER.

BUT BOARD MEMBERS, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT NUMBER 1 0 4, WHEN YOU GO ONLINE TO THE, UH, THE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS, NUMBER 1 0 4 WAS THE CONDUCT, THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE AND THE S O SS AMENDMENT, AND IT SAYS PUBLIC HEARING CONDUCTED AND ORDINANCE APPROVED.

SO IT WAS, UM, TAKEN UP BY COUNSEL ON

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SEPTEMBER 21ST, AND IT WAS, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CONDUCTED AND THE AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED.

SO I, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT FOUR JUST BECAUSE, UM, AND MAYBE THE INTENT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S WRITTEN.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA TRY TO SUSS OUT HERE.

BUT WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT THE SOLUTION BE SUFFICIENT TO DELIVER 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER, I THINK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PER HOUR DURING PEAK HOURS ON SUMMER, WEEKEND DAYS FROM ONE OR MORE EXTERNAL PARKING SOURCES TO THE EXISTING CAP METRO BUS STOP.

SO THAT WOULD BE 10 PEOPLE A MINUTE TO THAT ONE BUS STOP.

AND I GUESS IN MY MIND, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD WORK FROM A TRAFFIC FLOW STANDPOINT.

I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS DELIVER PEOPLE CLOSER TO BARTON SPRINGS.

BUT I THINK THE WAY THAT'S PHRASED MAY NOT BE REASONABLE FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO ACHIEVE OR FOR ANY DEPARTMENT TO ACHIEVE.

THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION.

AND REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT, THIS WOULD NOT BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

THIS WAS MORE, UM, AN ENGAGING TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC PERSON CABINET.

AND I MISS SPOKE, BUT I JUST MEAN THAT MANY PEOPLE TO ONE PHYSICAL LOCATION IN AN HOUR.

SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD NEED MORE THAN ONE PHYSICAL.

AND MAYBE THAT'S, THIS MAY JUST BE A WORDING ISSUE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU INTEND TO DELIVER THEM CLOSE, COULD SAY.

BUT THAT SPECIFIC BUS STOP IS WHAT'S LISTED LIKE TO THE EXISTING CAT METRO BUS STOP.

SO IT'S ONE BUS STOP, 500 TO 800 PEOPLE AN HOUR TO ONE BUS STOP.

SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MAJOR TRAFFIC SITUATION.

THERE WOULD BE MY, LIKE, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE.

IF WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS THE, FOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS TO DETERMINE THE BEST SOLUTION, I THINK TELLING THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO DELIVER 500 TO 800 PEOPLE AN HOUR TO A SPECIFIC BUS STOP SEEMS PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING.

NO, I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.

I WHAT IF WE JUST SAID, SIMPLIFIED THE WORDS AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LESS PRESCRIPTIVE AND WE SAID, UM, THAT, UH, PARKING, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION CONSIDER THERE ARE 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING PEAK TIMES IN THE SUMMER.

YEAH, THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE TO ME.

BOARD MEMBER HAMAN IS JUST TO SAY THAT YOU WANT THEM TO CONSIDER THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION AND THEN 'CAUSE YEAH, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN JUST SEEMS VERY SPECIFIC.

SO YEAH, I WOULD, THAT CHANGE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO ME.

SO WE, CAN WE PUT THE WORD ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE ARE 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING PEAK HOURS ON SUMMER WEEKEND DAYS? SO, UM, CROSS OUT? YEAH, I THINK SO.

WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT MM-HMM.

IT HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED THAT THERE ARE 500 TO 800 VISITORS, UM, SOMETHING WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER IT.

AND THEN REGARDING THE CAP ME METRO BUS STOP, WE COULD JUST SAY, UM, TO AN AREA THE, AT THE CLOSEST, AT THE CLOSEST STOP, OR YOU COULD SAY TO BARTON SPRINGS POOL, YOU CAN JUST SAY TO AREAS CLOSE AREAS CLOSE YES.

TO BARTON SPRINGS.

LET'S KEEP IT REAL BROAD.

LET THEM FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA DROP EVERYBODY OFF.

WAS THOSE, WAS THE 500 800, IS THAT THE, IS THAT NUMBER FROM MS. DIANA PROCTOR? OKAY.

SO NO, THIS CAME ACTUALLY FROM THE AQUATICS SUPERVISOR, DEANDRE KANE.

UM, WHO SAID THAT ON SUNDAY, JULY 2ND, WE HAD 11,565 PEOPLE ENTER THE GATE AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU PAN THAT OUT OVER THE DAY, THAT'S WHERE THOSE NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM.

AND SO DOES THAT, UH, JUST, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND, IS THAT PEOPLE, IS THAT 11,000 NEW PEOPLE, OR AM I CONSIDERED, AM I CONSIDERED IF I ENTER AND THEN I CAN EXIT AND THEN GET A STAMP, RIGHT.

THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT.

OR THEY USED TO DO IT , UM, AND IT'S BEEN TOO HOT FOR ME TO GO OUT THERE.

UM, AND THEN I GO BACK IN, AM I CONSIDERED, IS THAT CONSIDERED TWO, THIS WAS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VISITORS THAT DAY, AND I, IS THAT NUMBER, I GUESS IS, IT DOESN'T TAKE WHETHER THAT'S UNIQUE, IS THAT, IS THAT ARE LET ME ASK YOU, LET ME ASK YOU THAT MAYBE, 'CAUSE THEN THIS MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT.

IS THAT BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT WE BELIEVE THAT DEANDRE LOOKED AT? ADMISSIONS? SO THAT WOULD BE A UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS OKAY, GOOD.

THROUGH ADMISSION.

GOOD.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

AND I HAVE, I HAVE HER LETTER HERE.

I ASKED HIM TO SEND IT TO YOU.

BUT YEAH.

NO, THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

I WAS LIKE, WHETHER YOU WERE LIKE, WHETHER THE 11,000 NUMBER WAS ME COMING IN THREE TIMES OR ANYWAYS.

YEAH, NO, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER AND THAT'S WHY WE FELT THAT THIS TRANSPORTATION PLAN WAS SO NECESSARY.

THEN JUST IN REGARDS TO THAT FIRST POINT THAT I MADE, THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.

UM, AND LOOKING FOR TOWARDS NEXT SUMMER.

AND

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BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE GOT OFF TRACK INTO THIS OTHER, THAT STUFF THAT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN, THE NUMBER ONE, NO, UH, NO, NOT NUMBER ONE.

THE, THE FIRST POINT I MADE , WHICH WAS ABOUT MY DISCOMFORT WITH HAVING JUST ONE COMMUNITY EVENT MM-HMM.

AT THE POOL.

BECAUSE I THINK WHAT MS. PROCTOR POINTED OUT WAS, IS THAT VISITORS ARE COMING FROM ALL OVER.

UH, SHE IN, IN HER, IN HER DATA SET THAT SHE SENT US MM-HMM.

VISITORS ARE COMING FROM ALL OVER AUSTIN FROM ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZIP CODES INTO ZILKER.

SO MY CONCERN AGAIN IS, WELL, SINCE THE ORDINANCE PASSED, YOU'RE STILL GONNA REQUIRE, LET LET, LEMME BACK UP SINCE DO IN THE PAST, ARE YOU GONNA BE STILL REQUESTING A COMMUNITY EVENT? I THINK THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE PUBLIC IS ALREADY WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY EVENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

AND, AND, AND WHEN YOU SAY THE COMMUNITY, DO YOU MEAN BILL BUNCH AND DIRECTOR MCNEELY, THE, THE SWIMMERS AT BARTON SPRINGS, THE, AND THE USERS OF THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE, I PRESUME.

SO, SO LET, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR.

WHAT, WHAT I COMMITTED TO WAS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHAT IT IS THAT IS HAPPENING AT THE BATHHOUSE.

SO I'M, I WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF MEMBERS TO COME OUT AND BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT COST, WHAT ARE THE I, WHAT ARE THE PLANS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PROPOSALS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND TO PROVIDE A GENERAL UPDATE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL BE GETTING INTO THE INS AND OUTS OF A TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN A PUBLIC MEETING THAT'S ABOUT THE, UH, THAT'S ABOUT THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT ITSELF.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T RECOMMEND THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO WHAT I HAD ENVISIONED THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COMMIT TO VERSUS TAKING SOME OF THAT, OR HEARING WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.

BUT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING AT A SPECIFIC TIME.

THIS IS NOT YOU GUYS POSTING UP AT THE BATHHOUSE FOR THE COURSE OF A DAY AND TALKING TO WHOEVER COMES IN.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

WE'RE IN, WE'RE STILL IN THE PLANNING PROCESSES, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING.

THE DATA SET THAT WAS, UH, THAT, THAT'S POSTED AT THE BATHHOUSE RE RE RENOVATION PAGE, WHICH IS THAT 80% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THESE EVENTS WERE OF CAUCASIAN DESCENT.

SO, YEAH, AND IF WE WANNA KEEP THIS FOCUSED ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THAT'S FINE WITH ME, SINCE THAT PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING IS ALREADY BEING PLANNED WITH THE PUBLIC IN PART.

YEAH, I GET THAT.

I GUESS I'M, I, I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT, OKAY.

CHAIR VILLALOBOS, UH, WHEN DIANA PRETOR PRESENTED EARLY THIS EVENING, SHE GAVE SOME STATS OF DATA SHE HAD COLLECTED WHERE SHE DIFFERENTIATED LOCALS AUSTINITES VERSUS OUT OF TOWNERS AND OF THE AUSTINITE GROUP.

SHE BROKE IT DOWN.

SHE HAD EVERYBODY KIND OF CHECK OFF THEIR ZIP CODES, AND THERE'S FOUR ZIP CODES THAT WERE REPRESENTED.

EACH OF THEM HAD SIX TO 7% OF THE POPULATION THAT ATTENDED THE PARK THAT DAY IN, IN VARIOUS POINTS.

AND SO I THINK WHAT THAT SHOWS IS THERE IS PRETTY EQUAL ATTENDANCE COMING FROM ZIP CODES.

NOW, IF YOUR CONCERN IS PEOPLE COMING FROM FURTHER AWAY ZIP CODES, UM, THEY JUST, THEY WEREN'T REPRESENTED IN HER DATA BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY TOO FAR AWAY AND THEY GO TO LOCAL PARKS NEAR WHERE THEY LIVE.

SO I WANNA, I JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, FLESH OUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON, ON, ON, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE AND, UH, IN LIGHT OF WHAT DIANA'S DATA SHOWED.

YEAH, NO, I, I, I, I, I'M, I'M NOT CALLING INTO QUESTION HER DATA SET.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT IT SUPPORTS MY ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE ARE, IF, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA TRUST THIS DATA SET, WHICH IS WHAT I I'M DOING, IF WE'RE GONNA TRUST IT, THAT MEANS PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER AUSTIN ARE COMING TO BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

AND I FEEL THAT IT IS A DISSERVICE TO HAVE JUST ONE MEETING AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL TO GIVE AN UPDATE DATE, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM ALL OVER AUSTIN.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT PEOPLE IN DISTRICT TWO ARE HAVING TO DRIVE TO ONE MEETING AT BARN SPRINGS TO HEAR AN UPDATE WHEN I THINK IT SHOULD BE AN UP.

IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO AN UPDATE, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT OTHER, THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE UPDATES DONE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

WE NEED TO BE GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO GO TO WHERE THEY, UH, HAVE COMMUNITY CENTERS NEAR, NEAR WHERE THEY LIVE.

BECAUSE THIS IS GROUNDED IN, AGAIN, MY, THE,

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AND I ATTRIBUTE THAT AGAIN, TO BEING BECAUSE OF WHERE THESE EVENTS WERE BEING HELD HELD.

SO, SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY ON, UM, YEAH, A QUESTION ON THAT.

SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UPDATES AND PUBLIC INPUT, AND I THINK WHAT DIRECTOR MCNEELY WAS SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WANTS TO HAVE JUST AN UPDATE AT THE BATHHOUSE AND TO ADDRESS THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE REGULAR USERS AS FAR AS PUBLIC INPUT GOES, OUR NUMBER ONE, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS PROVIDING THREE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, OR PUBLIC INPUT.

UM, AND SO, UH, BUT I THINK I HEAR YOU SAYING YOU, YOU WANT UPDATES TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT WAS MY SHORTHAND WAY OF REGURGITATING WHAT DIRECTOR MCNEELY SAID THAT WHEN SHE STATED WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THOSE WAS.

GOTCHA.

COULD IT, WOULD IT, HOW, HOW WOULD WE PUT THIS IN A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, MAYBE, UH, UH, THAT PEOPLE FROM THE AQUATICS DEPARTMENT, UM, GIVE SOME OF THESE UPDATES AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY TO GIVE, UM, OR, OR COMMUNITY CENTERS OR SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS MAYBE RELATED TO ZILKER, KNOWING THAT SOME PEOPLE DO COME FROM THESE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY TO ZILKER, BUT GOING TO THEM, SO IT WOULD BE MAYBE A PARKS DEPARTMENT, UH, PARKS DEPARTMENT MEETING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND INCLUDE THE ZILKER BATHHOUSE UPDATES THERE.

LET ME THINK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.

BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SEND AQUATICS OR PARKS OUT THERE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE GREAT STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE, AT ZILKER AND THE, WITH THE SHUTTLE AND FOR MY CONSTITUENTS TO BE LIKE, WHY HAS NONE OF THAT HAPPENED AT AN CREEK PARK? SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SEND THEM INTO THE LINES THEN EITHER .

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.

WELL, AND I THINK IT'S THE, IT'S JUST THE SHEER NUMBERS OF FOLKS THAT ARE COMING TO BARTON SPRINGS IN THE SUMMER.

THE, AND IF, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THIS DATA THAT DIANA DID, UM, WE'RE SEEING LIKE 71.69 PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE THERE ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN.

SO THESE ARE TOURISTS BASICALLY, OR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO AUSTIN TO GO TO BARTON SPRINGS ON VERY BUSY SUMMER WEEKENDS.

AND SO, UM, I I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH, UH, MOVING THIS RECOMMENDATION FORWARD WITH THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION AND THE FOURTH RECOMMENDATION AS WE MADE THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE FOURTH RECOMMENDATION.

IF YOU ALL WANNA CONSIDER THAT.

CAN YOU READ THE FOURTH RECOMMENDATION? SURE.

RECOMMENDS THAT, SORRY, RECOMMENDS THAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF A PROPOSED 2024 TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND PARKING SOLUTION CONSIDER 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING PEAK HOURS ON SUMMER, WEEKEND DAYS, UM, FROM ONE OR MORE EXTERNAL PARKING SOURCES TO AREAS CLOSE TO BARTON SPRINGS LOCATE, OR, OR JUST TWO AREAS WHICH ARE LOCATED WITHIN WALKABLE DISTANCE TO BARTON SPRINGS POOLS NORTH ENTRANCE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NOT REALLY.

I LIKE, THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING IN THERE.

I SOMEWHERE AT THE BEGINNING.

I FEEL LIKE YOU WERE MISSING SOMETHING THAT MADE IT NOT A SENTENCE, BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T HEAR IT.

CAN YOU JUST READ OKAY.

RECOMMEND CAN READ IT ONE MORE TIME.

THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF A PROPOSED 2024 TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND PARKING SOLUTION ACKNOWLEDGE 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING PEAK HOURS ON SUMMER WEEKEND DAYS.

AND YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE NEED A VERB IN HERE, .

UM, WELL, AND I ALSO THINK REQUIREMENTS OKAY.

AND ACKNOWLEDGE IS A WEIRD PAIR UP.

CONSIDER, I THINK, WHICH I THINK BOARD MEMBER HAGMAN SUGGESTED CONSIDER AT ONE POINT THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER.

THE POTENTIAL OF 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR AND DURING PEAK HOURS ON SUMMER WEEKEND DAYS? AND GIVE ME A VERB FROM, DOES IT REALLY NEED TO SAY MORE THAN THAT? I DON'T THINK IT DOES.

SO CONSIDER, WE'LL TAKE OUT BE SUFFICIENT TO DELIVER AND, AND REPLACE THAT WITH CONSIDER 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING CONSIDER THAT THERE ARE YES.

RIGHT? OKAY.

OR CAN BE THAT THERE CAN BE 500 800 VISITORS PER HOUR UP TO 500, 800 VISITORS PER HOUR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CAN WE SAY THE POTENTIAL OF, CONSIDER

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I I THINK WE CAN END IT RIGHT THERE.

WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A BOARD IS JUST MAKING THIS GENERAL RECOMMENDATION AND TRANSPORTATION GETS TO, YOU KNOW, DOODLE IT OUT AND FIGURE IT OUT.

WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TELL THEM THAT WE WANT DELIVERY TO ONE OR MORE, YOU KNOW, EXTERNAL PARKING SOURCES.

I, I THINK WE CAN KEEP IT SIMPLE.

THIS WAS REALLY TO ENCOURAGE THE FACT THAT CAP METRO ALREADY HAS THE 30 BUS, THE 30 ROUTE BUS THAT WILL BRING, THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH ON DOWN BARTON SPRINGS ROAD AND, AND, AND CAN BRING PEOPLE, UM, POTENTIAL PARKING GARAGES OUTSIDE OF ZILKER PARK, INCLUDING BARTON CREEK MALL ON THE WEST SIDE, AND ONE TEXAS CENTER ON THE EAST SIDE OF ZILKER PARK.

PLUS THERE, UM, THE CITY'S GONNA CONSIDER OTHER CITY GARAGES AS POSSIBILITY, SO WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH CAP METRO.

BUT, UM, I LIKED BEING ABLE TO INCLUDE CAP METRO IN THIS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY SAID TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DEVELOP THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

SO THAT WOULD POSSIBLY INCLUDE CAP METRO.

SO WE'LL CUT IT OFF AT RECOMMENDS THAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF A PROPOSED 2024 TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND PARKING SOLUTION CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL FOR 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING PEAK HOURS ON SUMMER WEEKEND DAYS.

HOW'S THAT? THAT SEEMS FINE TO ME MEAN, AND THEN THE NUMBER TWO RECOMMENDATION WAS RECOMMENDS THAT THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL DIRECT THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP A TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR VISITORS TO BARTON SPRINGS DURING THE BATHHOUSE REHABILITATION CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UM, NOT TO BRING UP OTHER THINGS, BUT YOU DO MENTION CAP METRO IN THE SECOND TO LAST, WHEREAS, SO IT IS CAPTURED IN THERE THAT LAST WHEREAS THOUGH WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED.

IF WE'RE PULLING OUT NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER THREE.

AT LEAST, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR YOUR PREFERENCES BOARD MEMBER BECKER, BECAUSE THAT LAST WHEREAS IS KIND OF RELATED TO NUMBER ONE.

YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, FROM A, I FEEL LIKE FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO HAVE IMPACT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A FOCUS, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS DEFINITELY MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO YES, I'D AGREE.

AND I, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'RE IN TOUCH WITH TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND THEY WANT TO WORK WITH OUR WORKING GROUP.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVEN NEED THAT DIRECTIVE IN THERE OR THAT WHEREAS IN THERE, SO I'LL READ IT JUST FOR THE BOARD CONSIDERATION.

WHEREAS THE ZILKER SHUTTLE WORKING GROUP SEEKS TO COLLABORATE WITH AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND CAP METRO TO FIND THE BEST PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SOLUTION FOR ZILKER PARK AND BARTON SPRINGS POOL IN 2024.

I THINK WE SHOULD CUT THAT ONE.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S MORE RELATED TO NUMBER THREE, RIGHT? BUT I DON'T KNOW, I, I PREFER TO KEEP IT IN THERE JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS GOES BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, THEN THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A ZILKER SHUTTLE WORKING GROUP AND ON THE PARKS BOARD AND THE, IT'S KIND OF COMING FROM THAT WORKING GROUP.

YEAH, NO, I, I THINK IT WORKS FINE.

I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST THAT LAST ONE.

AND THEN WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? BOARD MEMBER FLOWERS, THE VERY LAST ONE.

CONSIDER THERE ARE 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING PEAK HOURS.

THAT I, THAT ONE'S RELATED TO NUMBER ONE.

SO IT SEEMS, IF WE'RE CUTTING NUMBER ONE, WE SHOULD CUT THE LAST I'M OKAY WITH SCRATCHING THAT LAST, WHEREAS C CLAUSE.

YEAH, I AGREE.

CAN WE REVISIT THE WORDING OF NUMBER FOUR? UH, IT'S SORT OF AN INCOMPLETE THOUGHT THAT WHERE WE LEFT OFF, I'LL READ IT AGAIN.

RECOMMENDS THAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF A PROPOSED 2024 TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND PARKING SOLUTION CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL FOR EIGHT 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING PEAK HOURS ON SUMMER WEEKEND DAYS.

I'D LIKE TO SAY, RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED 24 TRANSPORTATION PLAN PARKING SOLUTION,

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UH, WE DON'T NEED THE WORDS MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS IN THERE AT THE BEGINNING.

OKAY? MM-HMM.

UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN AT, SO WHERE OUR SENTENCE ENDS NOW, UM, ON SUMMER, WEEKEND DAYS, LET'S SAY COMMA AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY TO MAKE IT A COMPLETE SENTENCE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT THEY CONSIDER THERE ARE X NUMBER OF VISITORS PER HOUR, AND THE SECOND PART OF THE SENTENCE SHOULD READ AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY, WHATEVER.

UM, OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A, A, A WEEK RECOMMENDATION.

IT'S JUST SAYING RECOMMENDING THAT THEY CONSIDER THERE ARE 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR.

I'LL READ IT AGAIN.

RECOMMENDS MM-HMM.

THAT THE PROPOSED 2024 TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND PARKING SOLUTION CONSIDER, I'M SORRY.

YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

CONSIDER THERE, CONSIDER THERE ARE 500 TO 800 VISITORS PER HOUR DURING PEAK HOUR, HOURS ON SUMMER, WEEKEND DAYS, AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

PERFECT.

THAT OKAY WITH YOU? OKAY.

I THINK THAT DOES THE TRICK.

, IS IT GOOD FOR EVERYONE? SO BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MOVEMENT TO VOTE, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR, WE CUT THE LAST, WHEREAS YES, COMPLETELY.

WE CUT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE OR RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE, AND WE CUT NUMBER THREE.

AND WE MODIFIED THE LANGUAGE IN NUMBER FOUR AS PREVIOUSLY READ, CORRECT? YES.

JUST MAKING SURE I DIDN'T MISS SOMETHING.

UM, SO THERE'S A MOTION BY BOARD ME, WELL, UH, ALL AMENDMENTS.

SO THERE'S A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER REED.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN AMENDMENTS.

THERE WAS SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER HAMAN.

THERE HAVE BEEN AMENDMENTS MADE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH SHE HAS DONE THEM AS FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO HER, UH, OWN, UH, RECOMMENDATION.

UM, AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA TAKE A VOTE.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

IS BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR PUT OH, THERE, SHE'S, THERE SHE IS.

SORRY, THE NEXT ONE SHOULD BE EASY.

I'VE LOST, I'VE LOST TRACK OF WHERE MY MEETING MINUTES ARE AT .

EXCUSE ME.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACT.

UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

[8. Discussion and possible action to set the Parks and Recreation Board 2024 regular meeting schedule as the fourth Monday of each month, except May and December; and May 20th at 6:00 p.m. ]

EIGHT.

THERE'S, IS THERE ANY SPEAKERS? NONE.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO SET THE APPROXIMATE MIGRATION BOARD 2024 REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULE IS THE FOURTH MONDAY OF EACH ONE EXCEPT MAY AND DECEMBER AND MAY 20TH AT 6:00 PM SO I ASKED, UH, UH, OUR LIAISON, UH, TIM BECK TO DRAFT THIS UP BECAUSE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY.

WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT AT SOME POINT, AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN EASY AGENDA ITEM.

OUR BOARD MEETINGS AREN'T CHANGING.

WE'RE KEEPING, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THEM THE SAME, THE FOURTH MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH, EXCEPT DECEMBER, WHICH WE'RE NOT GONNA MEET.

UH, WE ARE ALSO NOT MEETING THIS DECEMBER, SO IF YOU SHOW UP, NO ONE'S GONNA BE HERE.

UM, AND THEN MAY, WE'RE JUST CHANGING IT TO MAY THE 20TH, UH, DUE TO THE HOLIDAY.

UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT? IS THERE A HOLIDAY THAT WE'RE OVERLAPPING WITH THAT I MISSED? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE PARKS RECREATION BOARD.

2024.

REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULED AS POSTED IN BACKUP.

IS THERE A SECOND? THERE'S A SECOND FORM BOARD MEMBER.

READ ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEVEN TO ZERO.

DO WE NEED A BREAK OR ARE WE GOOD TO GO? DO WE NEED A BREAK OR ARE WE GOOD TO GO? WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

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UH,

[9. Staff briefing on Texas House Bill 1526 and its impact on Parkland Dedication in Austin. ]

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, STAFF BRIEFING ON TEXAS HOUSE BILL 1526 AND ITS IMPACT ON PARKLAND DEDICATION IN AUSTIN.

OH, IT'S RIGHT HERE.

THIS PICTURE.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS.

HOLD ON.

THERE WE GO.

NOW THIS IS ON GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS ROBIN HAYMONDS.

I'M A PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AND ACQUISITION TEAM.

TODAY WE'RE JUST GONNA COVER THE IMPACTS OF HB 1526 ON THE EXISTING PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE.

THESE.

SO, UM, I'LL GO OVER QUICKLY JUST THE SUMMARY OF THE BILL, JUST THE MAIN POINTS OF IT, THE CHANGES TO THE P L D ORDINANCE, UM, THAT OCCURRED BECAUSE OF IT, THE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS OF THE BILL OUTLINES THE NEW FORMULA, THE IMPACTS TO AUSTIN'S PARK SYSTEM, AND THEN OUR TIMELINE FOR COMPLYING WITH THIS BILL.

AND THEN I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS.

SO, HB 1526 WAS INTRODUCED IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION BY A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COURSE OF CANADA, TEXAS.

THE BILL AFFECTS CITIES WITH POPULATIONS OVER 800,000, INCLUDING AUSTIN HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO, DALLAS, AND FORT WORTH.

THIS REPRESENTS ABOUT 25% OF THE STATE'S POPULATION.

THE BILL REQUIRES AUSTIN TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE CURRENT PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE TO BEING COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.

AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR THE CITY'S DISCRETION IN THE NEW ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.

THE BILL IMPACTS ONLY MULTIFAMILY AND HOTEL MOTEL DEVELOPMENTS.

SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKLAND MAY REMAIN THE AS THEY ARE TODAY.

THE BILL PREEMPTS THE CITY FROM REQUIRING PARKLAND DEDICATION ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, REVERSING THE RECENTLY ADOPTED CHANGES TO THE P L D ORDINANCE THAT OCCURRED LAST YEAR.

NEXT, I'LL RE I'LL REVIEW A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES MADE TO THE ORDINANCE.

SO, MOST SIGNIFICANTLY, THE STATE LAW REDUCES THE REQUIRED ACRES OF PARKLAND PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS FROM TODAY'S 9.4 ACRES TO JUST 0.07, FIVE TO THREE ACRES, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT WITHIN THE CITY.

THIS IS BECAUSE UNLIKE WITH THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS BASED ON A NEXUS BETWEEN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND ITS IMPACTS ON PARKLAND, THE STATE BILL IS WRITTEN WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT RESIDENTS EXPECT LESS ACRES OF PARKLAND AT PER PERSON AS THE DENSITY OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD INCREASES.

THIS CREATES AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DENSITY OF THE CITY AND THE AMOUNT OF PARKLAND AVAILABLE TO USE.

THE BILL ALSO CAPS ANY LAND DEDICATION TO JUST 10% OF THE SITE AREA.

TODAY ONLY PROPERTIES WITHIN THE URBAN CORE ARE CAPPED AT 15%, AND PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN CORE ARE NOT CAPPED AT ALL.

FINALLY, FEE COLLECTION IS SHIFTING FROM THE TIME OF SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT TO THE TIME OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

THERE'S TYPICALLY A 16 MONTH TO FIVE YEAR DELAY BETWEEN THE TIME OF PERMIT AND CO, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE AN INITIAL DELAY OF FEE COLLECTION THAT COULD IMPACT THE PARKLAND ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT BUDGET FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS.

ACRE PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS IN THE URBAN CORE, LESS THAN A 10TH OF AN ACRE PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS IN THE C B D AREA.

THE STATE BILL MANDATES THAT ALL AREAS OF THE CITY BE DESIGNATED AS C B D, URBAN AND SUBURBAN WITH DIFFERENT FEE LEVELS SET IN EACH DESIGNATION TO REFLECT THE DIMINISHING EXPECTATION OF PARKLAND IN INCREASINGLY DENSE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS.

THESE DESIGNATIONS ARE CALLED P L D RINGS, THAT'S HOW WE'RE REFERRING TO THEM AND ARE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY.

AND WE'LL HAVE A UNIQUE AVERAGE LAND VALUE ASSIGNED BY THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

THE PARKLAND LEVEL OF SERVICE IS DIFFERENT IN EACH P L D RING.

THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S GOAL IS TO PROVIDE 24 ACRES OF PARKLAND PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.

OUR PARK, 2016 PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE SET THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AT 9.4 ACRES OF PARKLAND FOR EVERY THOUSAND RESIDENTS, WHICH INCLUDED ONLY POCKET GREEN BELT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE PARKLAND IN RECOGNITION THAT DIS DISTRICT AND METRO PARKS WOULD STILL BE FUNDED THROUGH THINGS LIKE BONDS.

UNDER THE NEW BILL, THE STATE IMPOSED LEVEL OF SERVICE STARTS AT LESS THAN THREE ACRES PER THOUSAND FOR RESIDENTS IN THE URBAN SUBURBAN AREA, AND IS FURTHER DISCOUNTED THROUGH JUST THREE QUARTERS OF AN

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THE STAFF PROPOSED MAP SHOWN HERE SHOWS THE AREAS AS THEY'RE DESIGNATED TODAY IN THE IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LONG PARD LONG RANGE PLAN.

THESE DESIGNATIONS REFLECT EXTENSIVE STAKEHOLDER INPUT FROM THE ADOPTION OF THE 2016 PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE, AND ALSO REFLECT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED QUARTER AND HALF MILE WALK SHEDS TO PARKLAND.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THIS, THAT WE STICK WITH OUR EXISTING URBAN AND SUBURBAN DESIGNATIONS AND INCLUDE THE C B D AREA, UM, AS WELL AS ALREADY SHOWN IN THE MAG AUSTIN PLANT.

NOW I'M GONNA GO OVER THE NEW FORMULA.

IT IS VERY COMPLICATED , SO I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR YOU.

THE NEW FORMULA IS CONSISTENT FOR THE THREE P L D RINGS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DENSITY FACTOR DISCOUNT, WHICH DECREASES THE AMOUNT OF PARKLAND OWED AS THE DENSITY OF THE AREA INCREASES.

THE APPLICANT IS CHARGED FEES BY MULTIPLYING THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BY THE DWELLING UNIT FACTOR TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF LAND OWED.

THAT'S THEN MULTIPLIED BY THE AVERAGE APPRAISED VALUE IN EACH P L D RING AND FINALLY DISCOUNTED BY A DENSITY FACTOR IN THE URBAN AND C B D AREAS.

IF THE CITY REQUIRES THE LAND TO BE DEDICATED, THE SAME DENSITY FACTOR DOES NOT APPLY, AND THE CITY MUST CREDIT THE FULL AVERAGE APPRAISED VALUE FOR THE LAND AND SUBTRACT THAT FROM THE FEES OWED.

IN SOME CASES, THIS WILL RESULT IN A NEGATIVE NUMBER, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WITH HIGH DENSITY FACTOR DISCOUNTS, AND THE CITY THEN OWES THE DEVELOPER THE DIFFERENCE.

IN SUCH AN INSTANCE, THE CITY WOULD ONLY REQUIRE LAND UP TO THE AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE FEES OWED, WHICH IS ONE 40TH OF THE LAND OWED IN THE C B D AND ONE QUARTER OF THE LAND OWED IN THE URBAN AREA.

IT SHOULD FURTHER, IT SHOULD FURTHER BE CONSIDERED THAT LAND IMPACTED BY ENCUMBRANCES THAT ARE NOT, ARE NOT CREDITED AT A LOWER RATE THAN HIGH AND DRY DEVELOPABLE LAND UNDER THE NEW BILL.

IF THE CITY, IF CITY EMPLOYEES ARE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS, THEY SHALL NOT ACCEPT LAND THAT HAS A LOWER VALUE THAN THE AVERAGE LAND VALUE IN THE P L D RING.

THE OVERALL IMPACT TO AUSTIN'S PARK SYSTEM IS THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE OUR PARK LEVEL OF SERVICE DECLINE AS OUR POPULATION GROWS.

WE'LL HAVE FEWER PARKS DEDICATED ANNUALLY UP TO 75 TO 97% LESS IN THE URBAN CORE AND C B D AREAS RESPECTIVELY.

THE AMOUNT OF FEES COLLECTED WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 40 TO 70% LESS THAN IT IS TODAY AFFECTING THE ANNUAL ACQUISITION AND PARK DEVELOPMENT BUDGETS.

THERE WILL BE A 16 MONTH TO FIVE YEAR DELAY IN FEE COLLECTION AS THE CITY SWITCHES FROM COLLECTING AT THE TIME OF SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT TO COLLECTING ITS CO MAINTAINING OUR PARK SYSTEMS LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL RELY MORE HEAVILY ON OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS THROUGH GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS RATHER THAN THE NEW IMPACTS NEW RESIDENTS IMPACTING THE PARK LEVEL OF SERVICE INSTEAD OF NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT PAYS FOR ITSELF, EXISTING RESIDENTS WILL BE SUBSIDIZING AUSTIN'S GROWTH OR SACRIFICING QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGH LESS PARKLAND.

NEXT PAR PLUS.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THE STATE BILL SETS US A REALLY STRICT TIMELINE FOR COMPLIANCE.

UM, SO THE, THE NEW ORDINANCE IN THE P L D RINGS MUST BE ADOPTED BY DECEMBER 1ST AND GO INTO EFFECT FOR ALL NEW SITE PLANS AND SUBDIVISIONS WITH HOTEL, MOTEL AND RE AND MULTIFAMILY USES.

ON JANUARY 1ST, 2024, STAFF WILL PRESENT THE TERM SHEET FOR THE ORDINANCE WHILE IT IS BEING DRAFTED TO CODES AND ORDINANCES ON OCTOBER 18TH FOR RECOMMENDATION, THE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS ARE P L D RINGS WILL BE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 19TH.

AND THAT MAP IS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE TODAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO VIEW THE STAFF PROPOSED.

AND, UH, STAFF IS PREPARED TO RETURN TO PARKS BOARD ON OCTOBER 23RD IF REQUESTED FOR RECOMMENDATION ON THE ORDINANCE TERM SHEET.

AND THEN IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE ORDINANCE WILL BE DRAFTED BY THE 24TH, UM, TO BE PRESENTED TO PC.

OTHERWISE WE'LL JUST BE PRESENTING A TERM SHEET ON THAT DAY.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE FINAL ORDINANCE LANGUAGE WILL BE ADOPTED BY COUNSEL AFTER PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 9TH.

SO THAT IS KIND OF OUR TIMELINE FOR COMPLIANCE SO THAT WE MEET THAT 12 ONE DEADLINE.

AND NOW I'M PREPARED TO TAKE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY BOARD MEMBERS.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, YES.

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UM, IT'S TERRIBLE THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED.

I'M JUST WANNA GO ON RECORD SAYING THAT I'M VERY UNHAPPY THAT THIS BILL PASSED OR DID NOT PASS.

WE DON'T HAVE PARKLAND DEDICATION ANYMORE, BUT REGARDING, UH, SITE PLANS THAT WERE PRESENTED BEFORE THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, THE OLD PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCES STILL APPLY, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO WE'LL BE ADMINISTERING KIND OF TWO AT THE SAME TWO ORDINANCES AT THE SAME TIME STARTING ON JANUARY 1ST.

SO ANYTHING SUBMITTED BEFORE JANUARY 1ST IS UNDER OUR CURRENT EXISTING ORDINANCE.

EVERYTHING SUBMITTED JANUARY 1ST AND BEYOND IS UNDER THE NEW ORDINANCE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT HOW DOES THIS, UM, HOW DOES THIS NOT ALIGN WITH THE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN? BECAUSE I SEE THAT THIS WOULD BE, THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF, UM, IMPACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND ON THE CLIMATE IN AUSTIN AND THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT DIRECTLY, BUT I COULD SAY THAT WE DEFINITELY ANTICIPATE A SHIFT IN HOW WE ACQUIRE IN THE, IN THE FUNDING MECHANISM BEHIND HOW WE ACQUIRE PARKLAND.

SO THAT'S, THAT'LL BE THE MAIN KIND OF IMPACT IS, IS WE COULD POTENTIALLY KEEP UP WITH THE, THE GROWTH AND THE PARK SERVICE RATE, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT SHIFT IN HOW WE'RE FUNDING THAT ACQUISITION.

SO RATHER THAN THROUGH THESE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, IT WOULD HAPPEN THROUGH BONDS.

, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, OKAY.

WE'RE NOW MOVING TO AGENDA

[10. Staff briefing on the Parks and Recreation Department’s Fiscal Year 2024 operating and Capital Improvement Project budget]

ITEM NUMBER 10.

ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS? THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS.

THERE'S ANY, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS FOR 10.

STAFF BRIEFING ON PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT FISCAL YEAR 2024, OPERATING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS.

BUDGET FIRST, PLEASE JUST KNOW THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME STAFF ONLINE THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

UH, IF, IF, UM, VEDA IS, IS, UM, THINKING THAT THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS THE EXPERTISE THAT SHE'S NOT, THAT SHE THINKS COULD BETTER ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

SO JUST I APPRECIATE YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THEIR FACE, BUT PLEASE KNOW THEY'RE THERE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

DOCTOR, DR.

DIRECTOR MCNEELY .

HI, I'M BERNARDA RICHARDSON, A FINANCIAL SERVICES DIVISION MANAGER FOR PARKS AND REC.

UM, I'M ALSO JOINED, UM, THROUGH WEBEX BY STEVEN LYNETTE, WHO'S OUR, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM MANAGER.

UH, I'LL START THE PRESENTATION, UH, BY SUMMARIZING THE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, NEWLY APPROVED F Y 24 OPERATING BUDGET.

AND THEN STEVEN WILL PROVIDE A OVERVIEW OF THE 2024 C I P BUDGET AND SPENDING PLAN.

SO, AS OF TODAY, THE TOTAL FISCAL YEAR 2024 PROOF, UM, GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR THE DEPARTMENT IS $126 MILLION, WHICH FUNDS 764 PERMANENT POSITIONS OR FTES.

AND THE APPROVED GOLF FUND BUDGET IS $11 MILLION WITH 47 FTES.

UM, IN COMPARISON TO FISCAL YEAR 2023 PARTS OVERALL OPERATING BUDGET INCREASED BY $9 MILLION AND BY TWO FTES.

UM, HERE WE HAVE TWO CHARTS JUST GIVEN A, UM, BIG PICTURE SUMMARY OF, UM, HOW WE USE, UM, THE MONIES IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET.

UH, ONE OF THE CHARTS SHOWS YOU THAT, UM, 55% OF OUR FUNDING IS ALLOCATED TO COMMUNITY SERVICES PROGRAMS. THE OTHER CHART, UM, UM, WHICH IS MAJORITY OF, OF WHERE OUR SPENDING LIES, COMMUNITY SERVICES.

WHILE THE OTHER CHART SHOWS YOU THAT 69% OF OUR, UM, BUDGET GOES TOWARDS PERSONNEL.

CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET AND THEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL AS REQUESTED.

UH, LISTED HERE ARE A BUDGET REQUESTS THAT WERE INITIALLY INCLUDED IN THE

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UH, THE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED 645,000 IN ONGOING FUNDS, UM, WHICH WAS APPROVED FOR DEPARTMENT-WIDE SECURITY, SAFETY AND MA AND MAINTENANCE SUPPORT.

UH, THIS WILL HELP TO ADDRESS MOUNTING SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS THROUGHOUT THE PARK SYSTEM.

UH, AND THE DEPARTMENT IS CONDUCTING A FORMAL SYSTEM-WIDE SECURITY ANALYSIS, UM, TO APPROPRIATELY CONSIDER AVAILABLE SOLUTIONS.

AND SO A PORTION OF THE $645,000 WILL GO TOWARDS FUNDING.

UM, THOSE AGREED UPON SOLUTIONS, WHICH MAY INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO ADDITIONAL CAMERA INSTALLATIONS, ADDITIONAL SECURITY LIGHTING AND OR LANDSCAPE ALTERATIONS.

ALSO, ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WILL BE USED BY THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE UNIT TO SERVICE NEWLY ACQUIRED PARKLAND, WHICH INCLUDES OF COURSE, MOWING, LANDSCAPING, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, AND OTHER DEMAND REQUESTS.

THE 505,000 IN ONGOING FUNDS WAS APPROVED TO SUPPORT THE LAND MANAGEMENT TEAM WITH A TEMPORARY BIOLOGISTS POSITION, SUPPLIES FOR RESTORATION WORK, AS WELL AS TO FUND CONTRACTUAL RESTORATION AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

345,000 WAS APPROVED FOR ONGOING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE SUPPORT FOR THE GIVENS POOL REBUILD AND THE NEW COLONY PARK POOL FACILITIES.

A NET OF 203,000 WAS FUNDED, UH, FOR THE CITYWIDE LIVING WAGE PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENT ALONG WITH OTHER GENERAL FUND ADJUSTMENTS, 120,000 WAS APPROVED FOR UPCOMING INCREASED COSTS, UM, FOR BRUSH PROCESSING AT THE HORNSBY BIN PROCESSING CENTER.

UH, PART HAS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO MANAGE ITS PAY KIOSK AND PART PARKING METERS.

UM, SO THE 108,000 WILL GO TOWARDS COVERING INCREASE IN FEES, UM, DUE TO, UM, NOTIFICATION OF ATDS OPERATING COSTS GOING UP.

UM, AND JUST IN CASE YOU, YOU'RE ADDING UP THE NUMBERS, UM, ONE THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS $24,000 INCREASE, I MEAN DECREASE, UM, WE DID LOSE A LONG TIME VACANT POSITION, UH, WHICH WAS A PART OF A CITYWIDE INITIATIVE IN REPURPOSING PERSONNEL BUDGET.

UM, PART IS IN THE PROCESS OF EXPLORING NEW AND UPDATED OPTIONS FOR ITS RECREATION MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE SYSTEM WITH THE GOAL OF HAVING THE NEW VERSION IN PLACE BY OR WITHIN F F Y 24, UM, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WOULD BE USED TO FUND ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE COSTS.

AND THEN, UM, FINALLY, WE ALSO RECEIVE $50,000, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UM, UTILITY COSTS THAT WILL INCUR IN FFY 24, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PHASE TWO RENOVATION OF THE EMMA BARTOS, UM, MEXICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL CENTER.

AND THAT'S ANTICIPATED, UM, THE RENOVATION ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2025.

SO ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED ITEMS THAT, UM, I JUST WENT OVER, WE ALSO RECEIVED FUNDING THROUGH COUNCIL BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

AND THROUGH THOSE AMENDMENTS, THE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A COMBINATION OF ADDITIONAL ONE-TIME AND ONGOING FUNDING TOTALING 1.3 MILLION WITHIN THIS OPERATING BUDGET.

UM, OF THAT, SO 274,002 FTES WERE ADDED FOR WILDFIRE PREVENTION AND LAND MANAGEMENT SUPPORT.

434,500 WAS ADDED FOR FACILITY OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE WHILE 397,900, UM, PLUS ONE F T E, UM, WAS GIVEN IN SUPPORT OF THE CARVER MUSEUM.

AND THEN WE ALSO RECEIVED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ONE-TIME FUNDING THAT WILL SUPPORT BILINGUAL AND CULTURAL REVITALIZATION PROGRAMS, UM, AND $100,000 IN ONE-TIME FUNDING TOWARDS PARK SECURITY SUPPORT.

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HAVE LISTED THE $2 MILLION IN ONE-TIME FUNDING FOR SHA STRUCTURES, UM, AT, ON THIS CHART.

UM, IT'S GOING INTO OPERATING FUNDS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE PLACED INTO, UH, THE C I P FUND BUDGET, WHICH, UM, STEVEN WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES.

UM, GOLF FUND.

THE GOLF FUNDS F Y 24 BUDGET REFLECTS AN INCREASE OF 1.9 MILLION IN APPROPRIATIONS, UM, CLOSE TO 600,000 OF THAT.

1.9 IS FOR GOLF SPECIFIC COST DRIVERS, INCLUDING APPROPRIATIONS, UM, TO INCREASE THE GOLF SHOP'S INVENTORY, ADD TEMPORARY UH, PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND TO COVER INCREASED COSTS OF AGRICULTURAL SUPPLIES.

UH, MAJORITY OF GOLF DIVISIONS APPROVED BUDGET REQUESTS ARE FOR ONE-TIME PURCHASES, WHICH INCLUDE REPLACEMENT OF GOLF CART PICKERS, UM, MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR INITIATIVES AT THE JIMMY CLAY AND ROY KAISER GOLF COURSES AND FACILITIES.

UH, NEXT I'LL I'LL HAND OFF TO STEVEN LYNETTE AND HE'LL SHARE, UM, ABOUT THE F Y 24 C I P BUDGET AND SPENDING PLAYER.

YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A COUPLE SLIDES HERE.

THE FIRST OF WHICH IS ABOUT THE NEW C I P APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL 24.

UM, UNLIKE THE OPERATING BUDGET CAPITAL BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS OUR MULTI-YEAR.

SO, UM, WE CAN SPEND MONEY OVER MULTIPLE YEARS, UM, TO ALLOW FOR PROJECTS TO EXTEND BEYOND THE SINGLE, UM, YOUR OPERATING BUDGET TIMELINE.

UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT C F P SOURCES THAT YOU, AS YOU COULD SEE OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

UM, WE HAD A, A LITTLE BIT OVER $39 MILLION APPROPRIATED THIS YEAR IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET.

UM, THE LARGEST STILL, UM, OF OUR SOURCES IS GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.

UM, THE LAST PROGRAM WAS IN 2018.

UM, C M O HAS SIGNALED THAT THE NEXT WILL PROBABLY NOT BE UNTIL 2026 OR POTENTIALLY LATER THAN THAT.

UM, ROBIN JUST DISCUSSED THE OTHER, UM, MAIN CHALLENGE WE'RE SEEING IN OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM NOW WITH THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.

UM, STATE CHANGES TO THE LEGISLATION THERE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS CHART STILL, WE STILL ARE APPROPRIATING A RELATIVELY LARGE AMOUNT OF PARKLAND DEDICATION FUNDS THIS, UM, FISCAL, FISCAL YEAR AND PROBABLY NEXT AS WELL SINCE WE STILL HAVE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IN EFFECT UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST.

UM, SO JUST A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS ON HERE THAT I'LL GIVE, UM, ONE, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES THERE YOU CAN SEE ARE CLOSE TO $17.4 MILLION.

ABOUT 80% OF THAT IS LAND RESTRICTED NEXT YEAR.

UM, SO WE COULD ONLY PURCHASE NEW LAND AND CAN'T USE IT ON DEVELOPMENT UNTIL, UH, THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

UH, WE DID RECEIVE A RELATIVELY LARGE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THROUGH THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL REHABILITATION PROGRAM THIS YEAR, UM, MORE THAN WE HAD, UM, EVER IN THE PAST ACTUALLY.

UM, WE PROVIDED A LARGE LIST OF HVAC PROJECTS, UM, BUILDING OR ROOF REPLACEMENTS, UH, VER VARIETY OF SMALL BUILDING REPAIRS, BALL FIELD LIGHTING WORK, UM, SOME WORK AT DEEP EDDIE AND, UM, A I S D JOINT USE PARK SITES.

UM, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH OUR FACILITY SERVICES TEAM NOW TO MAKE, TO TRY TO SPLIT UP THE PROJECTS AND GET 'EM DONE REALLY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF STRESS ON OUR HVAC SYSTEMS ALL THIS SUMMER.

UM, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

UM, AND AS WE SAW LAST NIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF ROOF KIND OF THINGS HAPPENING AS WELL.

UM, THE OTHER MAIN ITEM I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ON HERE WAS THE DS AMENDMENT THAT THE NODA MENTIONED FOR STATE STRUCTURES.

UM, THAT WAS INCREASED AT THE D FROM OUR INITIAL ASK OF 210,000 TO $2 MILLION.

UM, WE COULD REFER BACK TO A FEW MEMOS THAT WE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL AND THE MANAGER'S OFFICE AROUND THE START OF THE CALENDAR YEAR FOR HOW WE'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE THIS MONEY GOING FORWARD.

UM, THE LAST ONE THAT I THINK IS KIND OF INTERESTING TO PULL OFF OF HERE IS, UM, WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE BRINGING IN ABOUT $810,000 FROM HURRICANE URI OR WINTER STORM URI PROCEEDS.

UM, THIS WAS FROM REPAIRS THAT WE MADE TO TURNER ROBERTS AND, UH, THEY BEGAN TO PAN AM RECREATION CENTERS.

AND YOU CAN JUST HOP FORWARD TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE COIN IS THE C I P SPENDING PLAN.

SO, UM, THIS IS KIND OF IN THE BACKS UP PART OF THE BUDGET DOCUMENT NOW, AND IT SHOWS WHAT WE EXPECT TO SPEND OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND WHAT WE HAVE FUNDED OVER

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THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO IT'S NOT INCLUDING PERSPECTIVE PROJECTS, IT ALSO DOESN'T INCLUDE LAND ACQUISITION PROJECTS OR MONEY THAT PARTNERS ARE SPENDING DIRECTLY.

SO THINGS LIKE, UM, THE KINGSBURY COMMONS BY PEACE PARK CONSERVANCY WAS PAID DIRECTLY BY THEM.

UM, SO THAT WOULD NOT SHOW UP IN THIS PLAN.

FOR F Y 24, WE'RE SHOWING ABOUT $47 MILLION.

AND FOR THE FIVE YEAR HORIZON, 220 MILLION, UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BIG PROJECTS THAT ARE IN CONSTRUCTION OR ABOUT TO START CONSTRUCTION.

UM, BACK PHASE TWO, THE COLONY PARK POOL, GIBBONS POOL, THE WALL CREEK CONFLUENCE, AND THE CARVER THEATER ARE ALL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UM, Y'ALL HEARD ABOUT THE BARTON STRINGS BATHHOUSE REHAB PROJECT EARLIER THIS EVENING.

UM, WE WERE PROJECTING THAT TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR AND STILL ARE.

UM, SO THAT IS THE OTHER MAJOR ITEM IN THE PLAN.

UM, OVER THE FIVE YEAR HORIZON, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE BOND FUNDING FROM 2018 TAPER OFF NOW.

SO ABOUT HALF OF OUR SPENDING OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS FROM BOND FUNDING, ABOUT 12% ACTUALLY FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH ARE THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS THAT ARE TRANSFERRED TO PAR FOR, UM, CAPITAL PROJECTS ABOUT 11% FROM THE WALLER CREEK TIFF, UM, 8% FROM PARKLAND DEDICATION, AND THEN A VARIETY OF OTHER SOURCES FOR THE REST.

AND IT'S A QUICK UPDATE ON THE 2018 BOND.

UM, WE'VE SPENT ABOUT 43% OF PROPOSITION C, WHICH IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION PROP, AND HAVE ABOUT 17% UNDER CONTRACT.

AND REALLY ALMOST ALL OF THE MONEY AT THIS POINT HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO PROJECTS.

WE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OVER 10% REMAINING AND MOST OF THAT WE'RE HOLDING ONTO FOR PROJECT CONTINGENCIES AND PROGRAM CONTINGENCIES GOING FORWARD.

WE'VE SEEN VERY FEW BIDDERS ON, UM, CITY PROJECTS AND SOME OF, MOST OF OUR PROJECTS, MOST OF 'EM ARE COMING IN ABOVE, UM, OUR ENGINEERS OPINIONS OF COST.

SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S, UM, A GOOD DECISION ON OUR PART TO HOLD THIS MONEY, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROJECTS WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.

AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THE CAPITAL SIDE, AND LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE LESS BIDDERS ON CITY PROJECTS? I, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE.

UM, WHY WE'RE SEEING LESS.

WE HAVE HAD A FEW INSTANCES WHERE NEW CONTRACTORS HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY FILLING OUTS, UM, AND GETTING THEIR BIDS IN ON TIME HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.

UM, FILLING IN FORMS CORRECTLY HAS WE'VE SEEN AS AN ISSUE UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, SO WE'VE HAD A FEW BIDS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN TOSSED BEFORE THEY EVEN EVALUATED.

UM, THAT'S BEEN UNFORTUNATE, BUT I DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE AN ANSWER OF WHY.

UM, I WOULD SUSPECT THERE'S JUST A TON OF WORK OUT THERE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE COMPETING WITH, UM, FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, SO THIS IS COMING FROM ONE OF OUR CITIZENS.

UM, HOW DID, HOW DID YOU PRIORITIZE SOME OF THE C I P, LIKE SOME OF THE BUDGET SPENDING, UM, WITH $3.4 MILLION DEDICATED TO A REMODEL OF THE ZILKER, AN UPCOMING REMODEL OF THE ZILKER CLUBHOUSE OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS? THAT'S A LARGE AMOUNT.

UM, SO SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THAT ONE, THAT'S, THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS FUNDED THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUND.

SO THAT HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT IT HAS TO BE A LOCATION THAT DRAWS TOURISTS IN FROM OUT OF TOWN AND HAS TO MEET THOSE HISTORIC FACILITY QUALIFICATIONS AS WELL.

SO REALLY THAT'S, THAT PROJECT IS FULLY FUNDED BY THAT HOT TAX SOURCE AND MOST OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS COULD NOT BE FUNDED THROUGH THAT.

UM, SO THAT WAS A KNOWN REHAB THAT NEED THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SOME TIME.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE HIT THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR THE THINGS BEING FUNDED AT OUR, AT OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PROGRAM, BUT IT WAS A HIGH ENOUGH PRIORITY TO, UM, BE DESIGNED AND FUNDED THROUGH THAT SOURCE.

UM, AND WE COULD REPORT BACK ON THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET, UH, A LIST OF THE LAND ACQUISITIONS AND PARTNER SPENDING, UM, LAND ACQUISITIONS? YES, FOR SURE.

THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CLOSED ON, YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT.

UM, PARTNER SPENDING, WE USUALLY TIE THINGS UP WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE END OF EVERY FISCAL YEAR ON THE PROJECTS THEY'VE COMPLETED.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING FROM THEM IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, REALLY.

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THERE, THERE WEREN'T AS MANY LARGE PROJECTS THAT FINISHED THIS PAST YEAR, UM, BUT THERE WERE A HANDFUL, UM, LIKE PALMER, LOU PARK AND OTHERS THAT WE HAD CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OUR PARTNERS ON.

YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT.

WAS THAT, UH, Y'ALL'S PRESENTATION? I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE ON THE CALL.

THAT ONE.

NO, THAT'S IT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, A COMMU, UH, SOMEONE, UH, BROUGHT UP TO ME WAS JUST FIGURING OUT IF THERE WAS, UH, FUNDS BUDGETED TO ADDRESS THE NEED TO IMPROVE THE CREEK BANKS OR, UH, TO SAVE THE POINT OF L NEFF POINT FROM FURTHER EROSION AND TO ADD STAIRS TO ERODED AND SLIPPERY SHIP HILLS IN ZOCOR ZILKER PARK.

IS THAT UNDER, IS THERE A, A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE DONE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THAT? OR IS, OR IS THAT JUST LIKE COMING FROM MAINTENANCE OR, OR I GUESS PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SEE ABOUT GETTING ALL THAT STUFF ADDRESSED.

BOARD MEMBERS.

THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC EROSION PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE THE ONES THAT YOU'VE, UH, YOU'VE, UM, POINTED OUT, BUT ARE PARTNERS IN T T C AND WATERSHED PROTECTION ARE HELPING US WITH TWO SEPARATE EROSION PROJECTS AROUND THE LAKE.

THOSE WERE BECAME THE PRIORITY.

AND SO THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT WILL CERTAINLY BE THINGS THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, IN THE FUTURE.

YEAH, THAT TYPICALLY WE, YEAH, WE PARTNER WITH WATERSHED ON THOSE AND THEY'RE USUALLY USING DRAINAGE FUNDS, WHICH HAS TO GO THROUGH THEIR, UM, PRIORITIZATION SCHEME, UM, TO FUND.

SO WE, WE DO HAVE A FEW ON, ON BARTON CREEK AT, UM, AT THE EDGE OF TUMI ROAD AND AT THE SUNKEN GARDENS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BARTON SPRINGS THAT THEY'RE HELPING US OUT WITH.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, UH, BOARD UP, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLANNING UPDATE DEVELOPMENT UPDATE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.

UM, ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO

[11. Staff briefing on Parks and Recreation Department community engagement events, planning updates, development updates, maintenance updates, program updates and administrative updates.]

MAINTENANCE UPDATE PROGRAM IS ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES FROM DIRECTOR MCNEELY, SIR BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M NOT GONNA TAKE UP MUCH OF YOUR TIME.

YOU CAN READ ALL OF THESE PAGES AT YOUR LEISURE, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF IS THAT ON PAGE NUMBER ONE THAT YOU'LL SEE, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED WHERE IT SAYS THAT WE WOULD BE CELEBRATING AT GIBBS PARK, UH, ON A NATIONAL NIGHT OUT ON OCTOBER 3RD.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN A DATE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY, UM, AGREED UPON.

AND SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO GIVENS PARK ON OCTOBER 3RD, UH, HOPING TO HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING AND HAVE IT NOT ATTEN HAVE IT NOT HAPPEN.

SO PLEASE ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER CONFIRM OR LET YOU KNOW THE NEW DATE, UH, SO THAT YOU'RE THERE.

OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I WON'T TAKE UP ANY MORE OF THE TIME SINCE IT IS 9 44, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AFTER REVIEWING THIS, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.

AND BOARD MEMBERS, YOU ONLY HAVE ABOUT 15 MORE MINUTES BEFORE WE HAVE THE MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING.

SO I'M GONNA GO AS QUICK AS I CAN THROUGH ALL OF THIS UPDATE FROM SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, UH, BOARD MEMBER BAAN IS NOT HERE.

UPDATE FROM DOWNTOWN COMMISSION BY BOARD MEMBER FRANKLIN, UH, BOARD MEMBER FRANKLIN IS NOT PRESENT.

UPDATE FROM JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, UH, BOARD MEMBER BECKER.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY I DID NOT ATTEND LAST MONTH.

IT WAS BOARD MEMBER BISON.

THE ZILKER SHUTTLE WORKING GROUP, UM, BOARD MEMBER REED HAGMAN.

UM, UPDATE FROM

[15. Update from Zilker Shuttle Working Group. (Villalobos, Reed, Hugman) ]

AND, UM, BOARD MEMBER HAGMAN, PLEASE WEIGH IN HERE IF YOU WANT TO.

OF COURSE.

UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE RECOMMENDATION THAT PASSED THIS EVENING, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, SETTING UP A MEETING WITH, UH, JASON REDFERN, UM, ANTHONY SEGURA, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND, UM, JOSEPH URI FROM TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.

AND WE SHOULD BE MEETING WITH THEM LATER THIS WEEK TO DISCUSS, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING IN ZILKER PARK.

AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE BOARD MEMBER BECKER BACK IN TOWN SO HE CAN ATTEND THAT MEETING.

SPRINGS BATHHOUSE WORKING GROUP.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, BOARD MEMBER.

HAMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I THINK THAT'S IT.

WE, WE HAVE YET TO HAVE OUR FIRST REAL MEETING, SO NO WORRIES.

ALRIGHT, UPDATE FROM BARTON

[16. Update from Barton Springs Bathhouse Working Group. (Villalobos, Bazan) ]

UM, SO I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY MEETINGS WE'VE HAD ALREADY.

I'VE LOST COUNT, BUT WE JUST HAD OUR LAST ZOOM MEETING, UM, AND

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WE ARE EXPECTING TO, UH, PRODUCE A WRITTEN REPORT TO THE BOARD, HOPEFULLY BY THE OCTOBER MEETING.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANYTHING AWAY, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY GIVE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'LL BE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE.

AND FOR THOSE, SO BARTON SPRINGS, UH, BATCH HOUSE WORKING GROUP.

SO, UH, IT'S A WORKING GROUP THAT I CREATED AN ORDER, IT HAD TWO OBJECTIVES.

THE FIRST OBJECTIVE BEING IS TO RECOMMEND A NAME FOR WHICH THE FACILITY SHOULD BE NAMED AFTER.

AND THE SECOND OBJECTIVE IS, UM, TO DETERMINE OR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN REGARDS TO THE CULTURAL, HISTORIC, UH, EXHIBITS ASSOCIATED WITH RACE AND, AND RACE RELATIONS AT THE BARTON SPRINGS, BEVERLY SHEFFIELD EDUCATION CENTER.

UM, THE, IT BECAME QUITE APPARENT AFTER MEETING LIKE TWO OR THREE TIMES THAT THE CITY AND ALL ITS PARTNERS HAD DONE LIKE A REALLY EXCELLENT JOB AND MODERNIZING THAT, THE, THE, THE EXHIBIT.

SO WE KIND OF DROPPED THAT AND MADE NUMBER ONE OUR FOCUS.

UM, SO, UH, AT OUR LAST BOARD MEETING WE CAME UP WITH, UH, WHAT, UH, MOVING FORWARD, WHAT IS GONNA BE A RECOMMENDATION.

WE HAVE AN OUTLINE FOR THAT, UM, AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE WHO, WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY OF WHERE WE, WHY WE REACHED THE DECISIONS THAT WE DID.

UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'LL MY HOPE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PUBLISHING THAT TO THE BOARD, UH, AT OUR OCTOBER MEETING.

SO, UM, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S MY UPDATE.

UH, WE'RE VERY, EVERYONE'S VERY EXCITED ON THE WORKING GROUP.

I THINK EVERYONE'S VERY HAPPY OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE.

UM, BRINGING IN COMMUNITY MEMBERS, HISTOR HISTORIAN EXPERTS ABOUT THE SPRINGS, ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, UM, RANGING FROM THE INDIGENOUS CULTURES ALL THE WAY TO, UH, MODERN LIKE TODAY.

SO WE GOT EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN THERE, INCLUDING THE OFFER TO DESEGREGATE THE POOL.

SO I THINK EVERYONE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO PUBLISH THAT REPORT TO EVERYONE.

UM, SO THAT'S MY UPDATE.

UM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES

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ANYONE LIKE A, DOES ANYONE HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ACTUALLY.

OH, OKAY.

I BELIEVE LAST MONTH YOU'D SAID THAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A ZILKER PARK WORKING GROUP THAT WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS MONTH.

I REALIZE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THIS MONTH.

IS IT STILL YOUR INTENT? SOME FUTURE MEETING? YES.

IT'S MY INTENT AT, UH, FUTURE MEETING.

UH, I KNOW YOU RAISED YOUR HAND BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR.

CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH THEN? THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, ACTUALLY SEVERAL THINGS I WANNA TALK ABOUT FOR, UM, WITH REGARDS TO ZILKER PARK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO I MEAN, IF WE JUST PUT THAT UP THERE, WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT DEFINITELY.

UM, MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE HOLD OFF ON IT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME CITY COUNCIL PERSONNEL REACH OUT TO ME ABOUT KIND OF TRYING TO, WE FIGURE OUT A WAY COLLABORATIVELY TO MOVE FORWARD AND I DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THEM BEFORE THE CITY DOES WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I KIND OF WANNA WAIT FOR THEIR DIRECTION.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT THE CITY'S GONNA GIVE SOME DI LIKE, NOT LIKE ACTUAL DIRECTIVE.

LIKE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE CITY MANAGER DIRECTIVE.

I THINK THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T, I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE CITY.

I THINK THERE'S LIKE PLANS BEING WORKED ON WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

I JUST DUNNO WHAT THAT IS UNLESS YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANNA HAVE IT, WE CAN STILL HAVE IT.

I'M JUST, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, 'CAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY A NUMBER OF ISSUES AT ZUCKER PARK THAT, THAT WILL HAVE TO DO WITH THE PLAN, VISION PLAN, BUT ALSO JUST IN THE INTERIM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IN SILK PARK.

AND SINCE IT'S IN MY DISTRICT, I'VE HAD COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS AND, AND A COUPLE OF THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE ABOUT IT.

SO, UM, I JUST THINK IT'S, YEAH.

SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT, HOW DO YOU WANT US TO WRITE WRITE IT ON THE AGENDA? UM, WELL THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

UM, I, I WANNA TALK, WELL I WANNA ASK A ABOUT THE, THE, THE TRAIN.

SO IF WE COULD JUST GET SOME ANSWERS ABOUT A REPORT ON WHERE THE TRAIN IS NEXT TIME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, UM, HAS A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN THE NEWSPAPERS.

UM, BUT ALSO I WANNA ALSO SEE YOU ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON THE CLUBHOUSE AND ABOUT, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS FROM THE AREA CALL ME AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE SINCE THEY PUT THE GATE UP.

HOMELESSNESS CAMP, HOMELESS CAMPS, UM, AND UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THE TRAVIS COUNTY, CONSTABLE THREE HAS A HOMELESS PROGRAM.

THEY'RE WANTING US TO SEE IF WE CAN EXPLORE DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, ENGAGING WITH THAT MAY, WE MIGHT BE ALREADY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF WE CAN JUST GET A, A REPORT ON THE CLUBHOUSE AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND THEN I OBVIOUSLY WANNA BE ABLE TO, UM, WORK ON THAT WORKING GROUP

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AND ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? BOARD MEMBERS.

ALRIGHT, WELL THEN THAT'S IT.

UH, AT THIS TIME IT'S 9 51 AND I'M ADURING THE MEETING.