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6 0 4,

[CALL TO ORDER]

AND I'M STARTING THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD ON SEPTEMBER THE 25TH.

2023.

I'M GONNA DO A CALL TO ORDER AT THIS TIME.

WE'RE GONNA DO PEDRO VILLALOBOS.

PRESENT.

CATHERINE FLOWERS.

PRESENT.

SHELBY ORIE.

PRESENT.

NICOLE MERRITT.

STEPHANIE BISON.

LISA HAGMAN.

LISA, DO YOU HEAR? OH, THERE IT GOES.

YES.

PRE I'M PRESENT.

UH, JULIE HAYES.

KIM TAYLOR PRESENT.

JENNIFER FRANKLIN.

HOLLY REED.

PRESENT.

LADEN BECKER PRESENT.

ALL RIGHT.

HAVING THERE BE A QUORUM, I

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

AM GOING TO PROCEED FORWARD I'LL TO PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST DOING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, SO, UM, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER? FIRST SPEAKER FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMUNICATION IS DIANA PROCTOR WITH ELIZABETH BARITE.

READY? HEAR ME.

THERE WE GO.

MY NAME IS DIANA PROCTOR.

ON LABOR DAY WEEKEND, I MADE A PARTICULAR STUDY OF ZILKER PARK ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY FROM 11:00 AM TO 1:40 PM I SPOKE TO EVERYONE WHO APPROACHED THE NORTH ENTRANCE GATE OF BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

ON MONDAY, I SPOKE TO ALL WHO WALKED UP OR DOWN THE CREEK STAIRS NEAR THE SPILLWAY.

FOR THOSE SAME HOURS, I ASKED EVERYONE, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? I TABULATED MY RESULTS IN THE IMAGE YOU SEE OVERHEAD.

I REACHED OVER 3000 TOTAL VISITORS.

904 WERE AUSTIN RESIDENTS.

I DISCOVERED THAT 71% OF THE VISITORS WERE FROM OUT OF TOWN.

FOR THOSE WHO HAD AN AUSTIN ZIP CODE, I PLOTTED THEIR INFORMATION ON A MAP WITH THEIR HELP, I DISCOVERED THAT THE ZIP CODES WENT DIVIDED AMONG THE FOUR QUADRANTS OF AUSTIN, AND THEN CALCULATED AS A PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION WERE NEARLY IDENTICAL PERCENTAGES.

YOU SEE THEM IN RED 0.06 OR 0.07%.

THE PROBLEM OF ACCESSIBILITY TO THE POOL AND CREEK ON 54 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR IS NOT NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS TOURISTS VERSUS AUSTIN RESIDENTS.

THIS DATA SHOULD BE EASILY CONFIRMABLE BY PART BECAUSE OUT OF TOWN VISITORS PAY A DIFFERENT ADMISSION FEE.

I BELIEVE THAT THE PARD PLANNERS OF THE ZILKER PARK VISION PLAN MADE EVERYONE BELIEVE THAT ACCESS TO THE PARK FOR AUSTIN RESIDENTS WITH SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SOLVED WITH THE PROPOSED PARKING GARAGES, IGNORING THE ISSUES OF OVERCROWDING OF THE WATER ZONE.

CLEARLY IT IS A SUMMER TOURIST ATTRACTION IN AN ECOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE PARK, AND SHOULD BE MANAGED EFFECTIVELY THROUGH A SYSTEM OF ADVANCED RESERVATIONS.

PARKING GARAGES WOULD NOT HAVE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM.

I HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN YOU'LL BE HEARING THIS EVENING FROM DIRECTOR MCNEELY ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET FOR 2324.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PRIORITIES OF EXPENDITURES.

I SEE THAT $3.4 MILLION HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO A REMODEL OF THE ZILKER CLUBHOUSE OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, AND THAT $100,000 WILL BE SPENT FOR AN ADULT CHANGING TABLE IN ZILKER PARK.

I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE TREES ALONG THE CREEK CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE SEVERE EROSION.

THERE ARE EXPOSED PIPES MAKING SEVERAL AREAS DANGEROUS FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND WE ARE AT RISK OF LOSING NEFF POINT DUE TO EROSION.

I'VE POSTED MY CONCERNS ABOUT ZILKER PARK AT MY WEBSITE TODAY IN ZILKER PARK.COM.

I HOPE THAT YOUR BOARD WILL PROVIDE OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE THAT PARS PRIORITIES FOR 2324 ARE IN LINE WITH THE ECOLOGICAL NEEDS OF THE PARK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M LIZ HY.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF AUSTIN ROWING CLUB.

UM, THE FALL SEASON IS ALWAYS VERY BUSY AT THE BOATHOUSE AND SO FAR, UH, IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER YEAR.

WE WELCOME BACK A HUNDRED JUNIORS FROM THEY ATTEND SCHOOLS ALL THROUGHOUT AUSTIN TO OUR JUNIOR COMPETITIVE PROGRAM.

THEY WILL ALSO BE RACING IN FOUR REGATTAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THIS FALL.

UM, THEY'LL START WITH THE HEAD OF THE OKLAHOMA THIS WEEKEND.

THEN

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HEAD OFF TO THE VERY HISTORIC HEAD OF THE CHARLES IN BOSTON, UH, WACO ROWING RACE AND OUR OWN HEAD OF THE COLORADO.

WE CALL IT PUMPKIN HEAD REGATTA, UM, HELD ON OCTOBER 29TH.

THIS WILL BE OUR 39TH YEAR HOSTING THIS REGATTA ON LADY BIRD LAKE AT FESTIVAL BEACH.

IT IS ATTENDED BY CLOSE TO 900 ATHLETES FROM ALL OVER TEXAS, AND GENERALLY WE HAVE OTHERS ATTENDING FROM OKLAHOMA, LOUISIANA, AND COLORADO.

A HEAD RACE IS A DISTANCE RACE AGAINST A CLOCK, UNLIKE WHAT WE RACE IN THE SPRINGTIME, WHICH IS A SIDE-BY-SIDE ONE K.

OUR FOUR K COURSE WILL RUN FROM EAST OF, UH, STEVIE RAY VAUGHAN AND FINISH IN THE BAY BY ORACLE.

WE CONTINUE TO BE PLAGUED BY THE WEEDS IN THE LAKE, AND SO IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET A SAFE COURSE, WORK AROUND THAT AND STILL BE ABLE TO HOLD THE REGATTA, WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT CONTINGENCY PLANS, UH, OF WHICH SHORTEN THE COURSE AND, AND CHANGE THE COURSE DIRECTION, NOT DIRECTION, BUT, UM, ONE MAY GO AROUND THE ISLAND AND SUCH.

WE ALSO HAVE RESTARTED OUR ROWING IN-SCHOOL EDUCATION PROGRAM AT MARK MARTIN AND MEISON MIDDLE SCHOOLS.

AND THAT PROGRAM, WE HAVE TWO COACHES AT THE SCHOOLS TWICE A WEEK WORKING WITH THE STUDENTS DURING THEIR PE CLASS ON ROWING MACHINES.

AND IN CLOSING, I JUST WANNA SHARE SOME OF OUR LAKE STEWARDSHIP THAT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO DO ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR BIMONTHLY.

UH, LAST WEEK WE HOSTED A LAKE CLEANUP WITH KEEP AUSTIN BEAUTIFUL, WHERE VOLUNTEERS COLLECTED 70 BAGS OF GARBAGE IN TWO HOURS TIME.

UM, YOU CAN SEE AN INTERVIEW WITH K X A N, UH, ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC CLEANUP.

SO OCTOBER 21ST IS CLEANUP LADY BIRD LAKE DAY, AND I INVITE YOU ALL TO JOIN US IF YOU CARE TO.

UM, AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE BOATHOUSE.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE PHIL THOMAS, FOLLOWED BY BERTHA AND DELGADO.

GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS CITIZENS.

I'M PHIL THOMAS, ONE OF THE, UH, DEEP POLY ADVOCATES AND A PREVIOUS, UH, EAST TOWN LAKE CITIZENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PARK PLANNING COMMITTEE MEMBER IN 2014, THE HOLLY EAST CESAR CHAVEZ NEIGHBORHOODS AND PARD COLLABORATED TO FORMULATE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE 90 ACRES ON THE NORTH LAKE SHORE BETWEEN I 35 AND PLEASANT VALLEY ROAD.

IT TOOK MONTHS OF CONSULTING, OUTREACH AND COMPROMISE TO REACH A CONSENSUS ON THE PARKS FUTURE.

INCLUDED IN THE 2014 HOLLY SHORES.

EDWARD REONE SENIOR PARK'S VISION PLAN WAS THE NASH FERNANDEZ BUILDING, WHICH WAS DESIGNATED FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, CELEBRATION OF LOCAL CULTURE, ART, AND HISTORY.

THERE WAS ALSO A KITCHEN AND SORELY NEEDED SPACE FOR PARD OFFICES.

AFTER INITIAL STABILIZATION AND REMEDIATION BY PARD.

BOND FUNDS BECAME AVAILABLE IN 2022 AND THEY LAUNCHED A DESIGN PHASE FOR THE NASH HERNANDEZ.

IT WAS SUDDENLY HALTED WHEN A GROUP OF RESEARCH, MEDICAL AND OTHER SPECIAL INTERESTS DECIDED THAT N H B WAS AVAILABLE FOR A PROJECT.

IT WAS PRESENTED AS A DERELICT BUILDING WITH NO FUTURE.

IT IS ANYTHING BUT THAT, THAT SAME YEAR, AN 11TH HOUR RESOLUTION WAS INTRODUCED BY AN OUTGOING COUNCIL MEMBER AND PASSED MANDATING A STUDY OF THE BUILDING'S SUITABILITY FOR AN INTERGENERATIONAL DAYCARE CENTER, A SO-CALLED IRAQ.

THE COMPLETED STUDY IS ASSERTED THAT THE IRAQ WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE NAND BUILDING.

ONE REASON IS THAT DAYCARE, BE IT CHILD OR SENIOR, IS NOT A LEGAL USE FOR A PARK.

FOR AN IRAQ USE THE BUILDING AND GROUNDS MUST BE UNDEDICATED AS PARKLANDS.

THIS MEANS THAT PART OF OUR 90 ACRE PARK WILL NO LONGER BE PARKLAND.

IRAQ ADVISORY BOARD NEGLECTS TO MENTION THIS IMPORTANT FACT.

THERE IS ALSO A PRESUMPTION FOR A FREE LONG-TERM LEASE, BUT THAT TERM IS NOT DEFINED.

MOREOVER, PER THE CITY'S THE CITY'S FEASIBILITY STUDY, IRAQ ESTIMATED THE FUNDING NEEDS FOR LAUNCH.

THE ESTIMATED FUNDINGS ARE WOEFULLY UNDERESTIMATED, EVEN INCLUDING THE IRAQ ADVISORY BOARD'S PROPOSED EXPROPRIATION OF $3.3 MILLION OF PARD FUNDS PREVIOUSLY EARMARKED FOR THE NASH

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HERNANDEZ BUILDING.

THE NASH HERNANDEZ BUILDING FUTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN PLANNED.

THE PARD HOLLY SHORES VISION PLAN FULFILLS PARS CORE MISSION.

IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, IT'S SUSTAINABLE, IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, AND MAINTAINS A TRANQUIL PARK WITH ACCESS FOR ALL.

IDEALLY, WE WOULD LOVE THIS BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ISSUE TO SUPPORT PARD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD VISION, WHICH IS MOVING AHEAD WITH THE ORIGINAL MASTER VISION PLAN.

IF THIS BOARD WILL NOT CONSIDER SUCH A VOTE.

FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE RECORD, THE NEIGHBORS REPRESENTED HERE DO NOT SUPPORT THE USE OF N H B FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE VISION PLAN THAT WAS EXTENSIVELY VETTED, RATIFIED, AND ADOPTED BY FULL CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. DELGADO.

PERDON DELGADO, FOLLOWED BY SHARON BLYTHE.

GOOD EVENING.

I, UH, JUST WANNA BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF PARKLAND.

I ALSO HAVE BEEN IN, UM, LISTENING TO A COUPLE OF THESE MEETINGS THESE LAST THREE MONTHS.

AND I'VE ALSO HEARD, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS 90 ACRE PARKLAND EAST OF 35, UH, THE BOUNDARIES, UM, OF THE 90 ACRES DOES HAVE AN APPROPRIATE LEGAL NAME.

AND THAT'S THE EDWARD RENDON HOLLY SHORES MASTER PLAN.

I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE IDENTIFYING MY GRANDFATHER'S PARK, EDWARD RENDON SR.

AT HOLLY AT THE HOLLY SHORES FESTIVAL BEACH AREA.

I DON'T HEAR THAT, THAT TERM BEING USED HERE, UH, AT, IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

I DON'T HEAR THAT.

I WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE BRING THE MASTER PLAN TO YOU ALL NEXT MONTH AND MORE RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO COME AND SPEAK, UH, IN BEHALF OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2013.

I WANT THIS NEW DAAS AND THESE NEW BOARD MEMBERS, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NEW TO AUSTIN, TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THE EDWARD RENDON PARK AND THE MASTER PLAN THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT JUST HEARING ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ABOUT THIS BEAUTIFICATION OF THIS PARK AREA, I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON IT AND MAKE MONEY.

CONCESSIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED OF PROPOSALS BEING PRESENTED AND LOBBIED CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE IRAQ.

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT US REINVENTING THE WILL AS THIS WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE NATIVES AND THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA WHERE THIS PARK IS ADJACENT TO.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL GIVE THE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT HOW BEAUTIFUL THAT PARK IS AND THE NEGOTIATION OF, UM, TRADING IT FOR ANY TYPE OF PILOT PROGRAM OR ANY TYPE OF PROFITABLE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S PUBLIC HEALTH OR ANY OTHER ENTITY LIKE CENTRAL HEALTH THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING SUED.

THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING SUED FOR POORLY SERVING, UH, THE PEOPLE OF COLOR AND, AND THE HEALTH INDUSTRY.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A HUGE HEALTH CRISIS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING A PARTIAL OF 25.3 ACRES OF PARKLAND AND TRADING IT OFF WITH AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH AND CORPORATIONS THAT ARE UNDER, UH, LAWSUIT INVESTIGATIONS WITH THE TRAVIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT, IT BRINGS A BIG RED FLAG TO ALL OF US THAT ARE PAYING, UH, TAXES HERE IN AUSTIN.

HOW IS OUR MONEY BEING USED? WHAT IS OUR MONEY BEING USED FOR? AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN TO CREATING THIS VISION FOR NASH FERNANDEZ, OUR WORK IS NOT BEING RESPECTED OR VALUED.

WE WILL BE HERE NEXT MONTH WITH OUR PRESENTATION AND OUR OPPOSITION AGAINST IRAQ TAKING THIS PIZZA PARK AWAY FROM US.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. SHARON BLYTHE, FOLLOWED BY MIKE KANATI AND THEN MIKE KANATI, FOLLOWED BY KAREN KREPPS.

I'M SH I'M SHARON BLYTHE.

UM, I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE CITY CEMETERIES FOR ABOUT 33 YEARS.

UM, I WANNA APPLAUD THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT.

I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE.

I HAVEN'T MET MOST OF YOU, BUT THEY HAVE DONE WONDERFUL PRESENTATIONS AND I HOPE YOU TAKE WHAT THEY SAID TO HEART.

I'M HERE BECAUSE I SEE NOTHING ON YOUR AGENDA ABOUT PUBLIC TREES AND HOW THEY'RE DYING IN THE CITY PARKS AND THE CITY CEMETERIES.

I WAS APPALLED WHEN I WENT TO AUSTIN MEMORIAL PARK

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A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT THEY'RE NOT WATERING OUT THERE.

THEY WEREN'T WATERING AT ALL.

AND NOW THEY BEGAN TO TRY TO HAND WATER A LITTLE BIT.

THEY'RE NOT USING THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM BECAUSE WHILE AUSTIN WA UH, AUSTIN WATER TURNED IT OFF FOR SOME KIND OF CODE VIOLATION AND THERE'S KIND OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CITY CEMETERY, UH, MANAGEMENT AND, AND AUSTIN WATER, I ASKED MY CITY COUNCIL PERSON, MCKENZIE KELLY TO JUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS.

SHE, ALL SHE DID WAS TALK TO KEN KIMBERLY MCNEELY AND KIMBERLY KIND OF BLEW HER OFF AND SAID, OH, WELL, WE'RE JUST WORKING ON IT.

WELL, THE TREES ARE DYING.

AND I THINK THAT'S Y'ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY IN THE PARKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TREES ARE NOT DYING.

YOU TALK ABOUT A HEAT ISLAND GETTING WORSE, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.

SO PLEASE STEP IN THERE AND TRY TO SAVE THESE TREES.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY DYING IN THE CITY, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE CEMETERIES, BUT ALL THE PARKS ARE SUFFERING.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL CAN DO ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S GETTING, GETTING TO BE A, A CRITICAL SITUATION WITH THE TREES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

DO WE, OH, NOT NEXT SPEAKER.

MIKE KANATI, FOLLOWED BY KAREN KREPPS.

AND THAT WILL BE THE LAST FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

A GREEN PARKS BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M MIKE KANATI.

I'M WITH THE BARTON SPRINGS CONSERVANCY.

I'M HERE GENERALLY TO COMMEND THE PARKS, STAFF AND CITY STAFF TO YOU, UH, FOR THEIR DILIGENCE, PASSION, AND EXPERTISE ON A NUMBER OF MATTERS YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

AND I HOPE THAT THE PARKS BOARD WILL LOOK AT THEM IN A FAVORABLE LIGHT TO SUPPORT THE STAFF WHO DOES A LOT OF GREAT WORK IN OUR CITY.

UM, I HOPE THAT YOUR FIRST INSTINCT IS ALWAYS TO SUPPORT THE STAFF AND MAYBE NOT HINDER THEIR WORK.

UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS IN TONIGHT'S MEETING THAT I THINK DESERVE YOUR SUPPORT.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ITEM TWO IS, UH, I GUESS RELATING TO A TREE AT BARTON SPRINGS POOL.

AND I'VE, I CAN SAY FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THAT THE STAFF HAS GONE OUTTA THEIR WAY TO GET FOUR DIFFERENT ARBORISTS TO LOOK AT THE ISSUES HERE.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL ABOUT STEPPING ON ANY FEET AND, AND OFFENDING ANYBODY, AND IT HASN'T REALLY WORKED NO MATTER WHAT.

BUT I THINK THAT THEY HAVE DONE THEIR VERY BEST TO HANDLE THAT SITUATION THE BEST THEY COULD.

UH, ITEM SEVEN IS ANOTHER ITEM WHERE THERE WAS A RESOLUTION PROPOSING TO DELAY THE PROGRESS OF THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE.

THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN UNDERWAY SINCE AT LEAST 2014, AND OUR GROUP, THE BAR SPRINGS CONSERVANCY, WAS FORMED IN THAT TIME TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON THIS PROJECT.

CONSTRUCTION IS HOPEFULLY STARTING THIS WINTER.

I THINK THE WINTER 2024 COULD REFER TO JANUARY IF WE'RE LUCKY.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT ANY DELAY WILL ADD TO THE COST AND FRUSTRATE THE PUBLIC'S DESIRE TO HAVE A FUNCTIONING AND IMPROVED BATHHOUSE.

THE PARKS BOARD HAS BEEN UPDATED OVER THIS PROJECT FOR THE MANY YEARS.

IT HAS BEEN UNDERWAY, AND FRANKLY, I'M CONCERNED THAT ANY LAST MINUTE DELAY HERE IS REALLY NOT HELPING THE SITUATION AS A, AS A CITY'S PARTNER IN FUNDING THIS PROJECT.

I WOULD HOPE THAT THE PARKS BOARD MEMBERS SEEKING TO DELAY THIS PROJECT WOULD'VE CONTACTED US AS A COURTESY AS A CITY'S PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT PARKS BOARD MEMBER READ, YOU KNOW, HOW TO REACH ME, WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TOGETHER.

I WOULD APPRECIATE BEING NOTIFIED IF YOU THINK THAT THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT NEEDS TO BE DELAYED.

I HOPE YOU WILL NOT DO THAT TONIGHT.

I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE LEGACY OF THE PARKS BOARD THAT WE'RE DELAYING OR EVEN STOPPING THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT.

THAT IS ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

HELLO, I'M KAREN KREPPS.

I SWIM AT BARTON SPRINGS EVERY DAY THAT I CAN.

AND I HAVE A VERY INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GRASS.

'CAUSE I PUT MY YOGA MAT OUT, USUALLY BETWEEN THE STAIRS AND I'VE BEEN AWAY FOR FOUR MONTHS.

I JUST CAME BACK YESTERDAY AND I'M REALLY SHOCKED BY HOW MUCH BARE SPACE THERE IS ON THE, ON THE LAWNS.

UM, I KNOW HOW OVERUSED THE POOL HAS BEEN BECAUSE OF THE HEAT WAVE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST USAGE THAT'S HURTING THE GRASS.

I REALLY BELIEVE IT'S THE MOWING.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE COME UP HERE TO RAIL AGAINST THE MOWING, BUT BRINGING THOSE BIG MACHINES IN THERE AS FREQUENTLY AS HAPPENS, JUST KILLS THE LAWN.

THEY'RE TOO BIG FOR THAT KIND OF DELICATE GRASS AND THEY DRIVE AROUND RATHER RECKLESSLY BLOWING UP ALL KINDS OF, IT'S NOT JUST IN THE POOL, BUT ALL OVER THE PARK BLOWING UP CLOUDS OF DUST.

AND IT'S LIKE IN THIS HOT SUN, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE CREW CUT.

YOU WANNA HAVE A HAT ON AND SOME PROTECTION, AND THAT'S WHAT THE GRASS DOES.

SO I'M BEGGING YOU PLEASE SAVE MONEY.

DON'T MOW THE GRASS SO OFTEN.

UM, AND THERE'S JUST A GENERAL FEELING THAT I HAVE AND I'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER SWIMMERS THAT THE POOL AREA HAS BEEN INTENTIONALLY NEGLECTED AND MISMANAGED, SO THAT OVER AND OVER WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO OUTSIDE OR PRIVATE SOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND I THINK THAT WE ARE BIG PEOPLE, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE PARK OURSELVES, AND I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

WE'RE NOW MOVING

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ON TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

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WE'VE EACH ALL, WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE MINUTES AND THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDED IN BACKUP AS WELL.

THE MEETING, THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE AUGUST 28TH, 2023 MEETING.

I'LL GIVE Y'ALL A MOMENT.

I'LL GIVE THE BOARD A MOMENT TO LOOK OVER THAT AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER 11.

TED GORDON'S LAST NAME IS MISSPELLED.

IT'S WITH AN O, NOT AN I.

SO G O R D O N.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE MEETING MINUTES? OKAY, SO WITHOUT ANY OTHER CHANGES, UH, DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENT MADE BY BOARD MEMBER FLOWERS? UH, THE MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 28TH, 2023.

I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE MADE BY BOARD MEMBER FLOWERS.

OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER REED.

IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND.

THERE'S A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALRIGHT.

UH, 5 6, 7 0.

UH, THE MOTION PASSES.

UH, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

UM, ARE MY MAIN MINUTES HERE? WE'RE OKAY.

WE'RE NOW MOVING TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. PRESENTATION

[2. Presentation and discussion on the Barton Springs Pool Pecan Tree known as “Flo”. (Sponsors: Reed, Bazan)]

AND DISCUSSION ON THE BARTON SPRINGS POOL COUNTRY KNOWN AS FLOW.

UM, AT THIS TIME, UH, WE WILL HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ON THIS SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM.

UH, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER, UH, FIRST SPEAKER ON TELECONFERENCE? JACQUELINE THOMAS, FOLLOWED BY BILL BUNCH.

OKAY.

WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO BILL BUNCH, FOLLOWED BY BILL OLIVER.

BILL OLIVER.

BILL OLIVER, FOLLOWED BY KAREN KREPPS.

KAREN KREPPS.

AS I WAS SAYING, I DO HAVE AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT AREA AND THE TREE, WHICH I'VE NEVER HEARD CALLED FLOW BEFORE.

AND A LOT OF US SWIMMERS ARE WONDERING WHERE THAT NAME CAME FROM.

I MOSTLY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR, YOU INTERACT WHEN, IF I ASK QUESTIONS OR I CAN JUST PUT THEM TO YOU AND ASK FOR THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

UM, I'M WONDERING, GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE TREATY OAK SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THE PUBLIC OUTCRY AGAINST CUTTING DOWN A TREE TOO FAST, WHY IS THERE NOW A HURRY TO, AND I KNOW YOU DID EXTEND IT, YOU DIDN'T CUT IT DOWN LAST WEEK.

THANK YOU.

BUT WHY IS THERE SO MUCH URGENCY? WHY IS THERE SUDDENLY A, A CRISIS IF THE POOL, IF THIS TREE IS GOING TO CAUSE DIS HURT SOMEBODY? HOW MANY TREES HAVE FALLEN ON PEOPLE AND HURT THEM IN THE PARK? DO YOU HAVE STATISTICS ABOUT THAT? HOW MUCH HAS THE CITY BEEN SUED OVER IT? UM, I'M ALSO WONDERING HOW MANY OTHER TREES HAVE THIS BRITTLE FUNGUS THAT IS NOW AFFECTING THE TREE KNOWN AS FLOW.

UM, I'M WONDERING WHETHER, UM, THOSE, THOSE BARRIERS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE WATER ARE REALLY AN ASSET.

I THINK THAT THEY CAUSE A LOT OF SUCH CROWDING IN AN ALREADY CONGESTED PART OF THE POOL BETWEEN THE DIVING BOARD WHERE IT NARROWS DOWN THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE RUNNING INTO EACH OTHER.

I GOT HIT IN THE HEAD TODAY BECAUSE IT WAS SO CROWDED.

UM, I THINK IT'S OVERKILL AND PANIC IS BASICALLY MY OPINION.

AND I'M ALSO WONDERING WHETHER, UM, WHETHER THERE'S A RUMOR THAT I'VE ALREADY HEARD JUST SINCE I CAME BACK, THAT THIS IS ALL PART OF A PLAN.

THE PLAN TO RENOVATE THE BATHHOUSE BY THOSE TERRIBLE DESIGNERS LIMB FREE AND GOT LIMBO AND GODFREY.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A, A LONG-TERM PLAN TO PUT SOME KIND OF EXTENDED DECK OUT IN FRONT OF THE BATHHOUSE FOR SEATING AND WHETHER FLOW IS SOMEHOW CONNECTED WITH THAT.

I JUST FOLLOWING THE MISGUIDED VISION PLAN, I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE BECOME VERY

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PARANOID ABOUT HOW THE PARK IS BEING MANAGED.

I ALSO HEARD THAT THE REASON THAT THIS TREE HAS THE FUNGUS IS BECAUSE IT WAS BA BADLY WATERED THAT WATER WAS BEING THROWN ON THE TRUNK.

AND THAT'S NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

THE WATER'S JUST SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE ROOTS.

SO I JUST THINK IT RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

AND BEFORE ANY CHANGE SAWS COME OUT, PLEASE TRY TO GET ANSWERS TO THOSE.

THANK YOU.

WE'RE GONNA CALL THE FIRST THREE AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONES.

THAT SIDE UP.

UM, SO JACQUELINE THOMAS WAS ONLINE.

SHE IS NOT BILL BUNCH, BILL OLIVER.

AND THEN AFTER BILL OLIVER WILL BE MARK WEILER.

WANT TO GIVE YOU A SECOND? I'M THERE.

YOU OKAY? OKAY.

YEAH.

THIS RIGHT APPROACH THE DESK.

GOOD EVENING.

WOW.

WHAT A ROLLERCOASTER.

YOU GUYS HAVE HAD BOARD MEMBERS, MAN, EXCITING TIMES.

NEWBIES.

OH MY GOSH.

HERE'S A SONG FROM A SONG.

HOW DO, HOW LONG DO WE HAVE? 60 HOURS.

60 MINUTES.

WHAT IS HIS NAME? THREE MINUTES WHAT? THREE MINUTES.

OH.

THIS IS A SONG BY A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, A SONGWRITER FROM W HATCHING NAMED JIM BUSH.

IT'S A TREE SONG BY JIM BUSH.

AND I DOCTORED UP THE ENDING JUST FOR YOU GUYS.

OKAY.

I NEVER WAS GOOD CUTTING DOWN TREES.

COULDN'T STAND THE SOUND ON.

THEY WENT TO THEIR KNEES.

HAD TO GIVE IT ALL UP.

JUST WASN'T ME.

I'LL WAIT FOR THE TREES TO GROW TALL.

IT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER, BUT I'VE GOT THE TIME, THE FEEL AND GROWS STRONG.

LIKE THE OLD GROWTH PINE.

GO OUT ON THE TREES, TRY SOME TIME.

SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TALK WITH THE TREES.

LET WHY I'M A TREE HUGGER.

I'M A TREE LOVER.

SON OF A BIRD.

YOU GOT A RED WOODEN MOTHER ON A FRIEND OF THE TREES.

SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE TREES.

THEY MAKE US COOLER.

THEY MAKE US SING LIKE A MOCKING BIRD, RESTING HER WINGS WHILE WE'RE DOING THE BACKSTROKE IN BARTON SPRINGS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOVING THIS TREE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOVING THIS TREE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOVING THIS TREE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER IS MARK WEILER, FOLLOWED BY DIANE DANA HAGER, MARK WEILER.

CALLING DANA HAGER TO SPEAK, FOLLOWED BY TERRY ADAMS. HI, I AM DIANA HAGER AND KAREN ALREADY ADDRESSED MY ISSUES.

MY QUE I JUST HAVE FOUR SIMPLE QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWERS TODAY.

IF YOU DO, THAT'D BE GREAT TO HEAR THEM.

UM, ARE THERE PLANS FOR A BIG DECK AREA FOR SEATING AROUND THE NEW BATHHOUSE? IS IT THE CASE THAT FLOW IS IN THE WAY OF THAT? IS THAT A REASON PARD WANTS TO MOVE SO QUICKLY ON CUTTING DOWN THAT TREE? WOULD THEY RENT THAT DECK OUT FOR PRIVATE PARTIES? THANK YOU.

FINAL SPEAKER FOR ITEM TWO IS TERRY ADAMS. HEY.

SO, UM, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, UM, I'VE SPENT SOME TIME AT THE PARK, AT THE POOL, WITH THE TREE, UM, TRYING TO, UM, GET A REAL FEEL FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING AND, UM, ALSO LISTENING TO THE, UM, THE LIFEGUARDS.

UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THIS ISSUE BEST ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SWIM THERE, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.

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SO NONE OF US HAVE EVER KNOWN BARTON SPRINGS WITHOUT THIS TREE.

UM, THIS TREE IS OLDER THAN ALL OF US, SO, UM, THIS TREE HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT.

AND, UM, IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A TREE AS I THOUGHT IT WAS.

THE TREE BEHIND IT IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS, UM, THE CANOPY THAT YOU SEE IN THE PHOTOS.

UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A MAJOR OBSTRUCTION, UM, CREATED BY BARRICADES THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE ERECTED.

SO IN MY OPINION, ONCE THOSE BARRICADES WENT UP, UM, THE TREE WAS, WAS BASICALLY, UM, UNSAL UNSALVAGEABLE.

UM, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE ARE ALREADY TASKED WITH THE MOST, UM, ONE OF THE MORE DANGEROUS JOBS, UM, THAT YOU CAN HAVE IN PARKS.

UM, WHEN I WAS THERE YESTERDAY, THERE WERE LIKE THREE STATES IN AN HOUR.

UM, THEY'RE ONLY PAID 2150 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

2125.

THAT'S, UM, THAT'S CRIMINAL.

THEY SHOULD BE MAKING LIKE TWICE THAT PROBABLY.

UM, WHAT THEY'RE ASKED TO DO IS NOTHING SHORT OF HEROIC.

SO WE CAN'T BE HAVING THE SAFETY ISSUE IN THEIR WORKSPACE.

SO I FEEL LIKE THE LIFEGUARD SHOULD HAVE THE MOST SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TREE.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY, ONCE THE BARRIER WENT UP, IT CREATED A, A, UM, SITUATION WHERE IT FEELS DANGEROUS, SO IT FEELS LIKE, UM, SOMETHING MIGHT FALL.

AND, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

I WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE LIKE A RATIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND THEN IT WASN'T GOING TO TURN INTO SOME KIND OF PROXY WAR, UM, OVER, YOU KNOW, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SENTIMENTAL FEELINGS ABOUT THE TREE AND PEOPLE WHO, UM, WANT TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOGICAL, LIKE, UM, THE THING THAT, UM, NOBODY WANTS TO DO.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T TRUST OUR PARKS LEADERSHIP.

AND SO THEY DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

AND THE PARKS BOARD DOESN'T EITHER BECAUSE Y'ALL BETRAYED US.

SO THAT'S OUR SITUATION.

WAS THAT THE LAST SPEAKER ON THIS AGENDA? ADAM? THANK YOU.

UM, WE'LL NOW HEAR, UH, PRESENTATION DISCUSSION ON BARTON SPRINGS POOL COUNTRY KNOWN AS FLOW.

UM, IS THERE A PRESENTATION? YES.

DIRECTOR MCNEELY.

THANK YOU.

AND REMIND ME OF HER NAME.

THINK IT'S JOSHUA.

E JOSHUA.

SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT WITH JOSHUA ERICKSON.

THANK YOU.

WHO IS OUR, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION PROGRAM MANAGER AND MYSELF.

SO WE'RE BOTH HERE TO PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION, UM, RELATED TO FLOW.

YES, PLEASE.

SO, HOPEFULLY, OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA REPEAT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE LAST TIME.

BUT AS YOU KNOW, OR YOU MAY HAVE REMEMBERED FROM OUR LAST PRESENTATION, THIS IS A 46 INCH DIAMETER PECAN TREE THAT'S BEEN LEANING OVER THE POOL SINCE AT LEAST THE 1920S.

WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.

UM, WE REALIZE THAT IT'S AN ICONIC TREE.

UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE CALL IT FLOW, AND AS WE HEARD TONIGHT, OTHERS MAYBE DON'T ASSOCIATE THE NAME FLOW WITH THIS PARTICULAR TREE.

BUT THAT'S HOW, UM, HOW PEOPLE HAVE CONNECTED TO THIS IN, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

I THINK THAT'S JUST A TESTAMENT TO HOW PEOPLE HAVE CONNECTED TO IT.

UM, THE TRUNK IS HOLLOW, SO 90% OF THE TRUNK IS CONCRETE.

THAT IS A, A PARTICULAR, UM, INTERVENTION THAT IS NO LONGER USED.

UH, AS YOU'LL RECALL FROM OUR, OUR LAST PRESENTATION, THERE ARE STEEL STRUCTURES THAT WERE ADDED, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HELP KEEP THE, UH, OVERHANGING, UH, TREE LIMB STABLE SO THAT INDIVIDUALS COULD WALK SAFELY, OR AT LEAST WE THOUGHT SAFELY UNTIL JUST RECENTLY, UM, UNDERNEATH THAT TREE.

AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF CABLES ADDED IN 2019 TO HELP KEEP IT UP.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WHEN WE WERE LEARNED OF THE, UM, OF THE DISEASE, WE ALSO ADDED SOME, UM, ROPE TO THE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE TREE UP.

ON JULY 6TH, THE STAFF NOTICED THE FRUITING BODY AT THE BASE OF THE TREE.

UH, WE CALL THIS THE BRITTLE CINDER, BRITTLE CINDER FUNGUS.

AND WE WERE FOUND OUT THAT TEXAS A AND M WAS ABLE TO DETECT THAT THAT'S THE DISEASE THAT IT HAD.

AND

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WE RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION ON AUGUST 15TH.

AND THEN ON THAT SAME DAY, WE CONTACTED FOR INDEPENDENT CERTIFIED ARBORISTS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THEY THOUGHT THE FATE OF THE TREE COULD BE, INCLUDING IF THERE WERE INTERVENTIONS ON AUGUST 18TH, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE TREE COULD POSSIBLY INJURE SOMEONE OR COULD POSSIBLY FALL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME FOLKS PERHAPS DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S QUITE, UM, A CONCERN.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND SO AS A MEASURE TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY, WE DID BARRICADE THE SPACE AND, UM, ALSO THE WATER AREA.

WE MADE SURE THAT PEOPLE COULD NOT SWIM IN THAT WATER AREA.

AND THEN WE RECEIVED THE FOUR FINAL REPORTS FROM THE ARBORIST.

UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

PLEASE KNOW THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS A WOOD DECAY FUNGUS THAT'S CAUSES A RAPID DECLINE AND THAT THE OUTWARD SIGNS OF THE TREE MAY LOOK AS THOUGH IT'S CONTINUES TO BE HEALTHY, WHEREAS THE INSIDES OF THE TREES ARE, ARE BEING, UM, ARE DISEASED AND ARE WITHERING AWAY.

AND SO IT IS NOT ALWAYS APPARENT LOOKING AT THE OUTSIDE OF THE TREE THAT, THAT IT HAS THIS FUNGUS.

BUT WE KNOW BECAUSE TEXAS A AND M TOLD US THAT IT HAS THIS DISEASE, THERE'S NO TREATMENT AND THERE IS CONCERN THAT THIS WILL COMPROMISE THE TREE FURTHER AND CAUSE A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.

THIS WAS THE FOUR ARBORISTS REPORT.

YOU CAN FIND THE TEXAS A AND M REPORT AND THESE FOUR ARBORIST REPORTS ONLINE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL FOUR ARBORISTS DID SAY THAT THE OVERALL RISK RATE RATING WAS EMINENT, HAZARDOUS, EXTREME, OR HIGH, AND THEY ALL RECOMMENDED REMOVAL OF THE TREE.

THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT PERHAPS THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTRICT, UM, ACCESS, INCLUDING DOWNSTREAM IN THE POOL OR TO REMOVE LARGE BRANCHES.

BUT IF WE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE POOL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT PARTICULAR ARBORIST DIDN'T CONSIDER IS THE BYPASS THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE, UM, THE DECKING AREA.

AND SO HE DID PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO US ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS STILL RISK TO THE BYPASS SHOULD THAT LIMB FALL.

AND ALSO, IF YOU RESTRICT THE ACCESS, THERE'S NO A D A ACCESSIBILITY ON THAT PART OF THE POOL.

EVEN WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE BRANCHES, THE RESIDUAL RISK FOR MITIGATION REMAINED HIGH.

AND THE OTHER TWO ARBORISTS SAID THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN OPTION FOR INTERVENTION OTHER THAN REMOVAL.

UM, ON THE 14TH OF SEPTEMBER, WE ALSO HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

HIS NAME IS, UH, KAREEM HEMLEY HELMI, SORRY.

HE'S OUR CITY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

HE'S PART OF OUR CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES QUALITY MANAGEMENT DIVISION.

AND HE DID PRODUCE A REPORT.

HE LOOKED AT THE TREE WITH SOME OTHER PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND HE PRODUCED A REPORT THAT ALSO TOLD US THAT HE BELIEVED THAT THAT TREE SHOULD BE REMOVED.

UM, PLEASE KNOW THE CURRENT STATE IS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE RISKS FROM THE ARBORISTS.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE RISKS FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

WE KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY LOVES THE TREE, AND WE'RE WORKING TO DOCUMENT THE TREE STORIES AT TREE STORIES@AUSTINTEXAS.GOV.

WE DO HAVE THE BARRICADES IN PLACE.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A, IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A D A ACCESSIBILITY.

WE DO HAVE THE BOYS THAT ARE RESTRICTING, RESTRICTING SWIMMING IN THE INSIDE THE POOL.

WE, UH, AS A DEPARTMENT, OUR FORESTRY TEAM, INCLUDING JOSHUA, UH, BELIEVES THAT THE, THE CONSULTING ARBORISTS THAT THERE, THERE IS A SAFETY HAZARD THAT'S GREAT ENOUGH THAT WE DO NEED TO REMOVE THE TREE.

WE SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND WANTING TO HONOR THE TREE.

AND AS I HAD SAID BEFORE, WE ARE COMMITTED TO HAVING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE WAYS THAT WE CAN HONOR IT BEYOND, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PROPOSED.

I E THE TREE STORIES OR HAVING A, A BLESSING CEREMONY OR A CELEBRATION OF LIFE.

UH, AND WE'RE, WE'LL, WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO BEST TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST HONOR THE TREE.

I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS DIFFERENT.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT PRESENTATION.

SO THIS WAS THE, UM, THAT WAS OUR DRAFT PRESENTATION.

I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING THE DRAFT ONLINE.

WE WILL PUT THE RIGHT, THE CORRECTLY POSTED ONE, UM, POWERD FORESTRY STAFF AND THE STRUCTURAL EN ENGINEERS AGREE THAT THE CONSULTING ARBUS THAT WE NEED TO, UM, REMOVE THE TREE.

UH, WE KNOW THAT IT'S LOVED.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO EVERYTHING.

I ALREADY SAID.

THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

BUT I DO WANNA ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS AND I APOLOGIZE.

ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT, UM, IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT PLANNING TO BUILD A BEAUTIFUL DECK IN THAT AREA AS PART OF THE, UM, THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

UM, ANY SORT OF DECKING IS NOT PART OF THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT.

IN FACT,

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THERE WAS A TREE THAT WAS PLANTED DIRECTLY BEHIND FLOW AS A REPLACEMENT TREE, KNOWING THAT EVENTUALLY WE MIGHT GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE NO LONGER ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS TREE IN A SAFE MANNER.

SO THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A PECAN TREE THAT IS THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF REMOVING THAT TREE.

IT WILL REMAIN IN THAT SPACE AND SHADE THAT AREA.

SO THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT A, A DECK TO MAKE MONEY IS NO, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE BATHHOUSE PROJECT.

AND THE SECOND QUESTION WAS WHAT DID THIS, HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED BEFORE? AND I WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

AND SO I'M GONNA ASK FOR, UM, THE, FOR YOU TO ALLOW ME TO LOOK THIS UP.

BUT WHEN I FIRST CAME ON BOARD WITH THIS PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, THERE WERE TREES ALONG THE TRAIL THAT HAD BEEN MARKED TO, UM, TO BE REMOVED.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE FORESTRY TEAM HAD NOT GOTTEN TO ALL OF THOSE TREES.

ONE DID FALL, ONE DID FALL AND INJURE SOMEONE.

THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS NOT CATASTROPHICALLY INJURED OR IRREPARABLY HARMED.

THEY DID HAVE TO, UM, GO THROUGH SOME RECOVERY AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY WAS HELD, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

SO I WOULD HAVE TO GET YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, HAS THIS HAPPENED BEFORE? THE ANSWER IS YES, IT HAS.

WE'RE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MCNEELY.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND CERTAINLY WOULD LOVE TO, UM, HELP ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ASKED.

BUT, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROPOSALS FOR NEW SUPPORTS AND A WAY OF SUPPORTING THE TREE SO THAT IT COULD REMAIN IN PLACE? WE DO NOT.

WE ARE TAKING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ARBORIST IN THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT SAYS THAT IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE THE, THE TREE.

I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, A PROPOSAL FOR NEW SUPPORTS AT BARTON SPRINGS FOR FLOW THAT WAS SENT TO YOU BY, UM, BY ANTONE LEHAM AND PJ LYLES.

AND I'M CURIOUS WHY YOU TOOK AWAY THE OPTIONS FROM THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE YOU HAD FOUR OPTIONS, ONE, WHICH WAS TO REMOVE THE TREE, AND THEN THERE WERE OTHERS TO CONSIDER SUPPORT FOR THE TREE.

UM, YEAH.

THE REASON WHY WE TOOK THOSE AWAY IS BECAUSE EACH OF THEM ENDED UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE TREE.

SO WE DIDN'T FIND THOSE OPTIONS TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.

AND SO THEREFORE, RATHER THAN BE DISINGENUOUS, ALTHOUGH I RECOGNIZE THAT THE WRONG PRESENTATION, THE INAPPROPRIATE PRESENTATION WAS POSTED, I, I DIDN'T WANT TO IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM LEAD THE PUBLIC INTO THINKING THAT WE WERE, WE WERE IN ANY POSITION OTHER THAN RECOMMENDING REMOVAL.

AND THAT'S THE PRESENTATION THAT WE PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY.

SO THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU RECEIVED OUT OF MY MOUTH TODAY IS THE SAME THAT WE RE THAT WE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL ON THURSDAY.

OKAY.

AND SPEAKING TO ONE OF YOUR ARBORISTS, VINCENT DEROCK FROM HERITAGE TREE, I THINK HE SAID THAT THERE WAS AN EXTREME RISK OF FAILURE OF THE TREE, BUT WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, I ASKED HIM, UM, HOW WOULD THE TREE FAIL? AND CAN YOU PLEASE WALK ME THROUGH WHAT A FAILURE, FAILURE OF THE TREE WOULD LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE WITH A STEEL SUPPORT UNDERNEATH IT, THE TREE LITERALLY CANNOT FALL ON THE SIDEWALK BELOW IT.

I THINK VINCENT SAID THERE WAS A BREAKAGE POINT THAT WAS JUST PASSED THAT, AND SO A FAILURE OF THE TREE WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT A LIMB WOULD FALL DIRECTLY INTO THE POOL.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO IN VINCENT'S REPORT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE NOTED IN HIS RISK ASSESSMENT FORM WAS THAT THERE WAS A RISK RATING FOR THE LIMB BEYOND THE SECOND SUPPORT BEAM WAS LISTED AS EXTREME.

SO THAT'S BEYOND, THAT'S THE PORTION OF THE STEM THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THE END OF THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE OUT INTO THE POOL.

SO THAT, BUT THAT CAN'T FALL ON THE SIDEWALK.

CORRECT.

IT, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THAT TO FALL, IT CAN FALL BACKWARDS ONTO THE SIDEWALK, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A STEEL STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH IT THERE.

THE WAY THE ROPES AND THE CABLES ARE SUPPORTING THAT PORTION OF THE TRUNK, IT IS NOT AT AN ANGLE THAT CAN HOLD THE WEIGHT OF THAT BRANCH.

IF IT WERE TO FAIL, IT WOULD RESTRICT WHERE IT WOULD FALL.

BUT IT IS STILL, I BELIEVE IT IS STILL POSSIBLE FOR THAT TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE POOL DECK AREA.

OKAY.

IF THERE WERE A FAILURE THERE, WE DID, WE DID HAVE, UM, A, ANOTHER ARBORIST WHO ASSESSED THIS TREE IN 2019 AND, UH, PERFORMED WHAT WE CALL A LEVEL THREE ASSESSMENT, UH, WHICH INVOLVES ADVANCED ASSESSMENT

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METHODS TO EVALUATE WHAT THE INTERIOR OF THE TRUNK MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN AREAS WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE, UM, LIKE THE TRUNK, IT'S, IT'S VISIBLE, UH, IT'S EASILY VISIBLE TO SEE HOW MUCH DECAY IS AT THE TRUNK BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY OPEN.

BUT FOR OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE ARE NO EXPOSED CAVITIES, UH, THERE ARE TOOLS THAT ARE KNOWN.

UH, THEY'RE CALLED, UM, SONIC TOMOGRAPHY IS ONE, UM, METHOD THAT'S USED.

THE OTHER IS RESISTANCE DRILLING OR RESISTOGRAM.

UH, BOTH OF THOSE WERE USED IN 2019 IN THE AREA THAT'S BEYOND THAT FURTHEST OUT SUPPORT STRUCTURE.

AND THEY FOUND AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS, IN THEIR ESTIMATION, UH, 70, AROUND 70% OF THE INTERNAL, UM, 70% OF THAT STEM AT THE POINT THAT THEY DRILLED WAS DECAYED AT THAT POINT.

THAT'S BEYOND THE END OF THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE.

UM, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS AROUND THAT 30% THRESHOLD THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED TO BE STRUCTURALLY SOUND.

AND WE FELT THAT THE TIME ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ARBORIST, THAT GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE CANOPY AND WITH SOME ADDITIONAL END WEIGHT REDUCTION, WHICH WE DID PERFORM AT THAT TIME, UH, THAT THAT WAS REASONABLE TO ALLOW THE TREE TO REMAIN AT AT THAT TIME.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A COLUMN OF DECAY THAT EXTENDS UP PAST THE END OF THAT SUPPORT STRUCTURE.

AND THAT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN FOR THE STREET NOW.

OKAY.

AND, UM, OTHER QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK ARE, UM, HAVE ANY OF YOU ALL RECEIVED COMPLAINTS BY ANY OF THE USERS OF ZILKER PARK? HAS PARD RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM SWIMMERS OR FROM, UM, PEOPLE WITH A D A NEEDS OR ANY OTHER VISITORS TO THE PARK OR LIFEGUARDS? HAVE YOU RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ASKING FOR THE TREE TO BE REMOVED? I HAVE ONE COMPLAINT ABOUT RESTRICTED A D A ACCESS.

OKAY.

UM, PARKS BOARD MEMBERS, DO, HAVE ANY OF YOU ALL RECEIVED COMPLAINTS? I HAVE RECEIVED OVER A HUNDRED EMAILS ASKING FOR THE TREE TO REMAIN.

I I KNOW THAT YOU AND I HAVE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, ABOUT SPECIFICALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO A D A COMPLAINTS MM-HMM.

.

UM, MY CONCERN ISN'T NECESSARILY WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING, BUT RATHER THAT THE FACT THAT WE ARE RESTRICTING A D A ACCESS.

UM, I DON'T NEED ANYONE TO COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT A D A ACCESS.

I'M JUST INHERENTLY PRO AADA A ACCESS.

UM, AND ANYTIME THERE'S GONNA BE RESTRICTION ON THAT, MY ALARM BELLS ARE GONNA START RINGING AND I'M GOING TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR A D A, UH, ACCESSIBILITY.

SO I DON'T, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS ISN'T FOR ME PERSONALLY RELEVANT.

IT'S THE INHERENT RESTRICTIVENESS ASSOCIATED WITH A D A ACCESS.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I WOULD REITERATE THAT THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN DOES NOT MEAN THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T COMPLAIN THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST.

SOMEONE WHO'S, UH, EXPERIENCING A DISABILITY MAY NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE COMPLAINING.

THERE MAY BE MANY REASONS WHY THEY DIDN'T COMPLAIN.

I AGREE WITH PEDRO THAT RESTRICTING A D A ACCESS IS NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING EVER.

PERIOD.

OKAY.

SO, UM, SO IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO FORTIFY THE TREE SO THAT YOU COULD OPEN UP THE BARRICADES AND PEOPLE COULD WALK UNDER IT.

WOULD THAT BE IMPOSSIBLE? THAT IS OUR ASSESSMENT AT THIS TIME.

OKAY.

UM, AND SWIMMERS HAVE NOT COMPLAINED ABOUT NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE AREA UNDER THE TREE.

I'M JUST, UH, I'M, I, AFTER RECEIVING SO MANY A PLEA AND AS YOU KNOW, UH, FLOW WAS SCHEDULED TO BE REMOVED AND WE WAITED UNTIL TONIGHT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SPEAK ABOUT IT AND ASK QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU ALL, THAT PARD COULD CONSIDER HAVING THE TREE REMAIN? VINCENT TOLD ME THAT IN EUROPE, UM, TREES THAT HAVE A FUNGUS, TREES THAT HAVE A ILLNESS LIKE LIVE OAK TREES HAVE LIVE, LIVE OAK DECLINE ARE JUST FENCED OFF SO THAT THE TREE CAN DIE NATURALLY RATHER THAN REMOVING THE TREE.

RIGHT.

SO AS WE HAVE HEARD, WE CANNOT FENCE IT OFF SO IT CAN DRY, NATURAL, DIE NATURALLY WITHOUT RESTRICTING A D A ACCESS.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS PREPARED TO DO, IS TO DENY A D A ACCESS IN ORDER FOR THE TREE TO REMAIN.

SECONDLY, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TREES AND WE CARE ABOUT THEM.

JOSHUA CARES DEEPLY ABOUT THEM.

I CARE ABOUT THEM.

I ALSO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A CATASTROPHIC EVENT OCCUR THAT IRRE IRREPARABLY HARMS SOMEBODY OR PUT SOMEBODY IN A POSITION THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE PHYSICALLY CAPABLE OR POSSIBLY NOT

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WITH US.

THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE CONSIDERATION.

AND I KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT THE TREE LIMB COULD FALL, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T THINK THAT THE TREE WOULD FALL, UH, ON THE TRAIL.

AND IT DID.

AND I, I COULDN'T, I, AS A DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT, AND AS SOMEBODY WHO IS A CITY EMPLOYEE, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HEALTH AND SAFETY.

I THINK HEALTH AND SAFETY HAS TO TAKE THE PRIORITY OVER THE TREE.

AND WE'VE TRIED VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PREPARED FOR THIS POINT IN TIME BY PLANTING ANOTHER TREE IN THAT SPACE.

WE'RE TAKING TREE STORIES.

WE WANT TO HONOR THIS SPACE.

WE UNDERSTAND IT'S EMOTIONAL, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING IT LIGHTLY.

WE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYONE REALLY WANTS TO DO.

I DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

UH, IF IT COULD REMAIN, I WOULD WANT IT TO REMAIN.

I KNOW JOSHUA WOULD WANT IT TO REMAIN, BUT THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT IT IS A DISEASE, IT'S VULNERABLE TO FALLING, AND I HAVE TO TAKE HEALTH AND SAFETY INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST THE TREE.

OKAY.

THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT THERE IS A D A ACCESS THE RAMP AND THE RESTROOMS ARE VERY ACCESSIBLE AT BARTON SPRINGS.

THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED IS BY PUTTING UP THE BARRICADES AROUND THE TREE SO THAT NO ONE CAN WALK UNDER IT.

THERE IS A PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK THAT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE.

SO HALF OF THE POOL IS ACCESSIBLE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE ONLY SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE ARE STAIRS GOING DOWN ON, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THE EAST SIDE OF THE TREE.

SO, UM, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT THE PUBLIC'S WISHES ARE.

IT IS A PUBLIC PARK.

IT'S A PUBLIC TREE.

THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TO REMOVAL OF THE TREE.

AND SO I HOPE THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER STATEMENTS SLASH QUESTIONS.

UM, I DON'T THINK HALF ACCESSIBLE IS, UH, FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO ACCESS A PUBLIC RESOURCE.

UM, SO I'LL JUST STATE THAT FIRST.

BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PECAN TREE.

HAS THAT BEEN TESTED? I KNOW THIS TYPE OF FUNGUS IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DETECT.

ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS THAT THAT PECAN TREE HAS THE SAME FUNGUS? I KNOW IT IS CONTAGIOUS, NOT CONTAGIOUS.

THERE'S NOT, YES, IT IS CONTAGIOUS.

IT CAN BE SPREAD.

THAT'S HOW ALL FUNGUS WORKS.

IT, IT CAN, UH, IT, IT CAN TRAVEL THROUGH SPORES IN THE AIR OR THROUGH ROOT GRAFTS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS CAN TRAVEL.

SO THERE IS A RISK THAT'S THERE.

UH, THERE'S NOT TESTING THAT CAN BE DONE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UM, PRIOR TO THE PRESENCE OF THAT, OF FRUITING BODY.

FOND FRUITING BODY.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST SIGNAL.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WARNING WHEN YOU SEE THAT AND IDENTIFY THAT THAT FRUITING BODY CAN BE TESTED, AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ADVANCED DECAY, BUT PRIOR TO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DRILL INTO THE TREE.

SURE.

THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S, SO THERE'S NO WAY OF KNOWING EFFECTIVELY AT THIS POINT.

RIGHT.

IT'S NOT SHOWING ANY OUTWARD SIGNS, BUT IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER IT WOULD, AND THEN, SO IF I CAN MAKE A STATEMENT, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE FULLY WITH IT, BUT PLEASE TELL ME WHETHER THIS SEEMS REASONABLE.

IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT CLIMATE CHANGE, INCREASED HEAT STRESS OVER THE SUMMER AND THE TWO WINTER STORM EVENTS DID NOT HELP THIS TREES CHANCE OF CONTRACTING THIS FUNGUS? IT IS.

I I, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING.

I MENTIONED THIS, UH, TO COUNCIL, UH, EARLIER AS WELL, THAT I KNOW GENERALLY SPEAKING, TREES THAT ARE UNDER MORE STRESS ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO, UH, PEST AND DISEASE PRESSURE.

AND TREES THAT ARE NOT STRESSED ARE MORE RESILIENT AGAINST THOSE.

AND I THINK WHAT'S PLAYING OUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS A TREE THAT HAS BEEN COMPROMISED FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND THE NUMBER OF STRESSORS HAS ADDED UP TO A POINT THAT IT HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE PUTTING ON HEALTHY ANNUAL GROWTH.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH GROWTH, THE TREE, THE PECAN BEHIND THIS TREE HAS GROWN IN A MUCH SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE 125 YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THIS OTHER, THE OTHER TREE THAT'S, UH, LEANING.

UM, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THAT'S THERE.

SO I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE, I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO, UH, TO AFFECT OTHER TREES IN THE POOL AREA.

I DON'T SEE THE SAME TYPE OF, UM, THIS TREE WAS COMPROMISED IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT WAS VULNERABLE ALREADY AND WOULD NOT BE MORE VULNERABLE, BE GENERALLY WORRIED ABOUT TREES IN THE AREA WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL COMPROMISED SITUATION.

RIGHT.

IF THE, IF THERE WERE OTHER TREES THAT WERE COMPROMISED THE SAME WAY, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEM.

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT LEVEL OF, UH, TREES BEING COMPROMISED OR STRESSED LIKE I DO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, I'VE GOT ONE MORE THING TO SAY.

I DID ASK,

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I WISH, UH, VINCENT DEROCK WERE HERE.

HE WAS ONE OF YOUR CONSULTING ARBORISTS AND HE SAID THAT NO, THIS IS NOT CONTAGIOUS.

THAT THIS TREE GOT, UH, BRITTLE CINDER FUNGUS BECAUSE OF A VERY SPECIAL SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT PECAN TREES NORMALLY DO NOT GET THIS, AND THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT CONTAGIOUS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE ROOT SYSTEM OR, OR AFFECT THE OTHER PECAN TREE THAT'S NEAR IT OR ANY OTHER TREES.

SO THIS IS COMING FROM ONE OF YOUR CONSULTING ARBORISTS.

THERE IS NOT A DANGER OF CONTAGIOUSNESS.

UM, I FORGOT TO ASK WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO REMOVE FLOW VERSUS THE COST TO, UM, SECURE THE TREE.

SO THE COST ENGINEERING, THE, THE COST TO REMOVE FLOW IS APPROXIMATELY, UH, $8,000 IN STAFF TIME.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE REMOVAL OF THE CEMENT THAT HAS BEEN, UH, CEMENTED AND THE EXPERTISE OF JOSHUA AND HIS CREW TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THE, UH, THE LIMBS.

UM, WE, WE DID NOT DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, SO I DON'T HAVE A COST FOR THAT.

OKAY.

I BELIEVE A CITIZEN MAY HAVE SENT YOU AN ESTIMATE OF $2,000 FOR THAT.

I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT BOARD MEMBER.

I I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT WITH YOUR, UM, WITH YOUR PROMPTING, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF IT ENDED UP IN MY JUNK.

AND I DON'T MEAN THAT RUDELY, I JUST MEAN SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS.

SO I'LL I'LL TAKE A LOOK.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT NUMBER YOU JUST THREW OUT.

IS THAT ADDITIONAL COST THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA HAVE TO SHE OUT OR IS THAT COST THAT'S ALREADY LIKE, IT'S, IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

IT'S WHAT OUR FORESTRY TEAM AND OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM WOULD DO.

IF THEY WERE NOT DOING THIS, THEY WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

AND SO THEY ALWAYS GET WORK ORDERS AND IN THOSE WORK ORDERS THEY PRIORITIZE THEM AND DO DIFFERENT WORK.

SO IT'S JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AS PART OF OUR, AS PART OF OUR REGULAR STAFF TIME, THE REGULAR WORK THAT WE WOULD ASSIGN TO OUR TEAM.

YEAH.

SO I'M NOT A FINANCE PERSON, SO I'M JUST, I'M GONNA HAVE TO DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME.

UM, MY HUSBAND DOES THE FINANCES.

I DON'T .

UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE, THE CITY'S NOT GONNA HAVE TO PAY SOMEONE $8,000 THIS THE, THE NO, THE COST IS $0 BECAUSE THIS IS STAFF TIME ON YES.

THEIR THERE NO MORE WORKING.

IT'S RIGHT, IT'S $0, BUT I I IN IN SAME COST.

RIGHT.

IT'S $0 TO THE CITY.

BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO SAY, IF YOU WERE GONNA TRACK THIS IN A TASK ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COST WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 8,000.

THANK YOU.

SO IT'S $8,000 YOU COULD SPEND ON SOMETHING ELSE.

I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT ACCORDING TO ALL FOUR OF THE EXPERTS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM, UM, THE REMOVAL IS EMINENT REGARDLESS OF IF WE MAINTAIN THE TREE FOR THE REST OF ITS LIFE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND THE, THE NATURE OF CRUTCH MARIA IS THAT IT'S, IT IS A RELATIVELY FAST MOVING DISEASE, WHICH IS WHY THE SHORTER TIMEFRAME FOR THIS, UH, IN ANY OTHER LOCATION, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED TREES THAT HAVE HAD CRUTCH AREA PREVIOUSLY.

WE USUALLY GET A COUPLE A YEAR MAYBE.

UM, AS SOON AS THAT'S IDENTIFIED, THOSE REMOVALS ARE SCHEDULED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THOSE GO TO THE TOP OF THE LIST WHEREVER THEY ARE BECAUSE IT, AT THE POINT THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT FUNGAL FRUITING BODY THAT IS THE WARNING SIGN.

THERE'S NOT ANOTHER TRIGGER TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE TIME WHERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACT.

WHEN IT GETS TO THIS POINT, THE, THE VISIBLE FRUITING BODY AT THE BASE OF THE TREE IS THE POINT WHERE THAT THAT IS THE WARNING SIGN.

ESSENTIALLY THAT FAILURE IS IMMINENT AND IT IS MUCH EASIER TO REMOVE THAT QUICKER THAN IT IS TO WAIT UNTIL THAT ADVANCE IS FURTHER.

AND IT REALLY CAN BE A MATTER OF WEEKS.

UM, ONE OF THE ARBORISTS THAT WE HAD COME OUT TO DO, ONE OF THE ASSESSMENTS, UH, IDENTIFIED, UH, A TREE THAT HAD CRUTCH MARY ON A CLIENT'S PROPERTY AND THEY DIDN'T WANNA REMOVE IT RIGHT AWAY.

UH, TWO WEEKS LATER THEY CALLED AND SAID THE TREE THAT FAILED AND HAD THEM COME OUT TO CLEAN UP THE TREE THAT WAS ON THE GROUND.

SO IT IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT, I WANNA BE CAREFUL.

IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES HERE BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE, BECAUSE OF THE CABLES, THE LOADS ON THE BASE OF THE TREE ARE NOT QUITE THE SAME, BUT THE RISK IS STILL THE SAME.

AND THE CONCERN IS STILL THE SAME FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS WHY WE PUT THE BARRICADES UP.

UH, AND I WOULD SAY FOR, FOR CLIMBER SAFETY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, FOR OUR CREW THAT'S DOING THE WORK, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO REMOVE THE TREE THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO COME DOWN AT SOME POINT SOONER BEFORE MORE OF THAT WOOD IS DECAYED AND THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS COMPROMISED THAN IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE POINT THAT IT COMPLETELY FAILS ON ITS OWN OR JUST DIES.

UM, I THINK I DID TALK TO VINCENT, UH, OVER SOMETIME THIS PAST WEEK.

UH, I THINK HE HAS, I THINK HE WOULD APPRECIATE ME SAYING THIS.

I THINK HE HAS A MORBID CURIOSITY TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT JUST REMAINED.

UM, JUST TO, JUST TO WATCH A DISEASE THAT WE ALL KNOW WILL END UP AS AN IMMINENT FAILURE TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT WITHOUT TAKING ACTION PRIOR.

'CAUSE WE NEVER

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USUALLY GET TO SEE THAT, UH, AS ARBORIST, ANYTIME THAT'S IDENTIFIED, IT'S TYPICALLY A SHORT TERM WHERE WE GET TO, WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE THAT REMOVAL.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.

I'LL SAY BEFORE WE LET YOU GO ON AND WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, I KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS A LOT AND THAT THE COMM PART, PARTIAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO AND HAS, UH, DECIDED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT THEY'VE DECIDED TO PAY ATTENTION TO AND THEY'VE DECIDED TO COME TO COME TESTIFY TO US TODAY.

AND I THINK THAT LIKE, JUST LIKE, UM, WHAT WAS IT? UH, ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE TODAY, MS. TERRY ADAMS SAID, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T LIKE TO THINK OF IT THIS WAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVE SENTIMENTAL FEELINGS, WARM FEELINGS, A CLOSE BOND CONNECTION WITH THE TREE VERSUS THOSE THAT WANT TO DO THE LOGICAL THING.

I DON'T SEE THOSE THINGS, THOSE TWO WORLDS BEING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

I SEE THOSE TWO WORLDS COEXISTING WITH EACH OTHER IN THE SAME FIELD, IN THE SAME WORLD.

AND I HOPE THAT, WE'LL HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD, UM, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST COMMEMORATE THE TREE.

I KNOW THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AT SOME MEETING, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAD MENTIONED THAT YAHA ALREADY BEEN CONDUCTING THE PECAN THAT WE'RE, UH, SEATED BY FLOW, UM, IN, IN HOPES OF TURNING THAT INTO A PROJECT.

MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING COOL WITH THAT.

MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME REALLY BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY ART PROJECTS WITH, UM, THE ACTUAL WOOD ITSELF IN A WAY THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATIVELY, UH, UH, PUT THEIR, UH, FEELINGS ABOUT THE TREE AND IN A, <