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[Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order]

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PLANNING COMMISSIONERS PRESENT HERE ARE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER AT 6:12 PM AT THE AUSTIN CITY HALL AT 3 0 1 WEST SECOND STREET IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

OF COURSE, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH THOSE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.

PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME.

I'LL START TO MY LEFT.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS HERE, CAN YOU PLEASE? HERE? THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HAYNES.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER MAXWELL HERE.

THIS IS VICE CHAIR HAR.

I'M HERE.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HERE.

WE'LL GO VIRTUAL NOW.

COMMISSIONER HEMPEL HEMPEL.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER HOWARD.

COMMISSIONER HOWARD.

IF YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T SEEM TO HEAR YOU, WE CAN SEE YOU.

YEAH.

HERE.

THANK YOU.

WE CAN HEAR YOU.

COMMISSIONER PER RAMIREZ.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER COX AND COMMISSIONER AL HERE.

I BELIEVE I HAD SEEN COMMISSIONER COX.

COMMISSIONER COX.

WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU EITHER.

HE MIGHT BE OFF THE ICE.

WE'LL RECOGNIZE HIM WHEN HE JOINS US.

I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR EX OFFICIALS JOINING US TODAY.

WE HAVE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CHAIR, JESSICA COHEN.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, FROM THE A SU BOARD OF TRUSTEES, UH, TRUSTEE CANDACE, HUNTERS HERE AS WELL, VIRTUALLY.

SO I THANK YOU ALL BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

WE DO HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER HERE TODAY.

SO IT'S COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

UM, WELCOME.

AND WE'RE SO GLAD THAT YOU COULD JOIN US TOO.

UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GIVE YOU A MINUTE OR TWO TO, UH, SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO EVERYBODY.

SURE.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.

I'M EXCITED TO JOIN THE COMMISSION.

UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING MY PUBLIC SERVICE.

I WAS ON THE ZONING AND PLATTING COMMISSION, UH, FOR ABOUT THE LAST YEAR.

UM, MY NAME'S RYAN JOHNSON.

I I LIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN, SORT OF NORTH CENTRAL AUSTIN.

UM, I AM A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER BY TRADE AND LOVE IT SO MUCH.

I DECIDED TO DO IT FOR FREE AS WELL.

UM, .

BUT, UH, JOKING ASIDE, I I DO ENJOY PUBLIC SERVICE THAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, HEARING CASES AND, AND GIVING MY OPINION AND DOING MY BEST TO REPRESENT, UH, THE VIEWS OF THE PEOPLE OF MY DISTRICT.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT.

AND AGAIN, WELCOME.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU JOIN US.

UM, SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND REMIND EVERYBODY THAT YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED HYBRID MEETINGS AND FOLLOWING A VIRTUAL, UH, YOU KNOW, AND ALLOWING FOR A VIRTUAL QUORUM AS LONG AS THE COMMISSIONER SERVING AS CHAIRS, PRESIDENT CHAMBERS.

UM, AS SUCH, WE CAN HAVE COMMISSIONERS HERE IN CHAMBERS AND ATTENDANCE VIRTUALLY.

AND TODAY OUR CHAIR, HEMPEL IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY.

SO I WILL BE CHAIRING, UM, IN HER ABSENCE IN PERSON.

SIMILARLY, SPEAKERS CAN PRESENT FROM THE CHAMBERS OR PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY.

I DO WANNA SAY FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING, IF YOU WISH TO WAIT IN THE ATRIUM, THE LAND USE COMMISSION LIAISON, MR. ANDREW RIVERA WILL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE ATRIUM A FEW MINUTES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEGINS, UM, IF BEGINS EACH PUBLIC HEARING.

FURTHERMORE, IF YOU'RE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, YOU'LL RECEIVE AN EMAIL ABOUT 15 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION TAKING UP YOUR ITEM.

UM, THAT SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.

AND I AND I WILL HAVE ASSISTANCE FROM MR. RIVERA ANNOUNCING THE SPEAKERS DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THANK YOU MR. RIVERA FOR THAT.

UM, CHAIR HEMPEL WHO'S JOINING US VIRTUALLY WILL PROVIDE US THE FIRST READING OF OUR AGENDA AND, UM, CHAIR ALSO, PLEASE HELP ME IN TRACKING QUESTIONS AND DEBATE AS WE GO ON IN CASE I MAKE AN ERROR AS WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS.

I JUST WANNA SAY FOR THOSE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY REMINDER, PLEASE HAVE YOUR GREEN, RED, AND YELLOW ITEMS PRESENT FOR VOTING.

UM, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COUNTING THOSE VOTES AS WE GO ALONG.

AND THOSE ONLINE, PLEASE REMAIN MUTED WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING AND RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE RECOGNIZE.

IF I MISS YOU, PLEASE TRY AGAIN AND VERBALLY LET ME KNOW IF NEEDED.

I'M, I WILL HAVE COMMISSIONERS HERE HELPING ME THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL IN CASE WE'RE, WE'RE MISSING ANYTHING.

UH, MR. VE, I BELIEVE WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION TODAY.

PERFECT.

SO WE CAN, UM, MOVE ON WITH THAT.

WE DO, OUR

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

FIRST ITEM IS OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UM, THIS IS FOR THE JANUARY 9TH, 2024 MEETING.

THIS WAS CIRCULATED EARLIER.

I HOPE FOLKS WERE ABLE TO LOOK IT OVER AND UNLESS I HEAR FROM FOLKS OTHERWISE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ROLL THAT IN INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO I'LL GIVE A PAUSE HERE AND SEE IF SOMEBODY HAS ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT.

NOT HEARING ANY, UM, WE'LL GO ON TO OUR,

[Consent Agenda]

UM, CONSENT AGENDA OR SORRY, READING OF OUR AGENDA AND CONSENT AGENDA CHAIR.

DO YOU WANNA WALK US THROUGH THAT? YES, THANK YOU VICE CHAIR.

OKAY, LEMME SCROLL BACK UP.

EXCUSE ME.

NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 0 5 0 2 600 KEMP.

THAT IS APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 27TH.

NUMBER THREE, PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 1 0 0 2

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EAST SECOND STREET UP FOR APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO MARCH 12TH.

NUMBER FOUR, PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 0 5 0.01 ON TOPLESS FAIRWAY MIXED USE, UH, FOR APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 27TH.

NUMBER FIVE, PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 2 0 0 1 INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD AND TERRY LANE THAT IS UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 13TH DUE TO A NOTIFICATION ISSUE.

NUMBER SIX, REZONING C 14 DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 6 2 INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD, ONTARIO LANE.

THAT IS UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 13TH.

NUMBER SEVEN, PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 2023 DASH 0 0 8 5 KENTON RESIDENTIAL THAT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

UM, STAFF AND APPLICANT, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENT AGREE ON THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.

BUT NUMBER EIGHT, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 22 HENTON RESIDENTIAL IS ALSO FOR DISCUSSION.

APPLICANT WISHES FOR MF SIX NP AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING MF THREE, NP NUMBER NINE.

PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 2 3 0 1 SHERIDAN IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

NUMBER 10, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 3 5 SHERIDAN IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

NUMBER 11, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 1 0 AT UH, ADDRESS 1 2 3 Z UH, EXCUSE ME, 1230 EAST 38TH AND A HALF STREET.

THAT IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 27TH.

NUMBER 12, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 9 6.

BEN WHITE BOULEVARD MEDICAL OFFICE IS UP FOR DISCUSSION NUMBER 13, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 0 4 7 19 11 WILLOW CREEK DRIVE IS OFFERED FOR APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 27TH.

NUMBER 14, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 2 3 1900 BURTON DRIVE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

NUMBER 15, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 3 3 55 55 NORTH LAMAR REZONING OFFERED FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 27TH.

NUMBER 16, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 3 1 E FIVE A TX REZONE UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 13TH.

NUMBER 17, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 3 8.

ENFIELD OFFERED FOR APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 27TH.

NUMBER 18 REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 3 0 MAINOR ROAD CSS ONE OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

THIS HAS BEEN REVISED, EXCUSE ME, CS ONE M-U-C-O-V-N-P WITH PROHIBITED USES PER APPLICANT MEMO IN EXHIBIT E NUMBER 19, PUT AMENDMENT C 8 1 4 20 14 DASH 0 0 8 3 0 1 SUN FIELD PUD.

THIS IS UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO MARCH 12TH.

NUMBER 20, REZONING C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 5 6 WEST US HIGHWAY TWO 90 UP FOR STAFF POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 13TH.

NUMBER 21, HISTORIC ZONING C 14 H DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 0 5 STATE THEATER OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

NUMBER 22, HISTORIC ZONING.

C 14 H DASH 2023 DASH 0 1 43 DEEP EDDIE GROCERY SLASH DEEP EDDIE CABARET IS UH, OFFERED FOR A POST UH PLANNING COMMISSION POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 13TH.

NUMBER 23 CONDITIONAL USE LATE HOURS PERMIT S PC DASH 2023 DASH 0 2 8 0 A AXIS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

NUMBER 24 LDC AMENDMENT C 20 DASH 2023 DASH 0 3 9 MODIFIED MINIMUM BICYCLE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS OFFERED FOR DISCUSSION.

AND NUMBER 25 LDC AMENDMENT.

AUSTIN'S STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, CITY

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OF AUSTIN TELEWORK POLICY IS UP FOR DISCUSSION PULLED BY COMMISSIONER HAYNES.

AND THAT CONCLUDES THE READING OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I APPRECIATE THAT CHAIR AND I ALSO WANT TO FIND OUT, WE JUST RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION.

SO IN IN THE CONSENT AGENDA I WANT TO READ, UM, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 13 C 14 DASH 2023 DASH 0 4 7 1911 WILLOW CREEK DRIVE, DISTRICT THREE.

THIS IS UP FOR APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO FEBRUARY 13TH.

JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S A FEBRUARY 13TH POSTPONEMENT NOT THE 27TH.

UM, AS WAS READ OUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THANK YOU, UM, CHAIR FOR READING US THROUGH THAT AND FOR LEADING US TO OUR FIRST READING.

I DO WANNA OPEN UP TO SEE MR. VERA IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

UM, NOT SAYING THAT I'LL SORT OF MOVE ON AND ASK DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO NEED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, NOT HEARING ANYTHING.

SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON, BUT DO LET US KNOW IF WE NEED TO COME BACK TO THAT CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER LAY ON ANDREW RIVERA.

YES.

UH, FOR THE MEMBERS ONLINE, UM, IF, UH, YOU COULD PLEASE, UH, SUBMIT YOUR ATTENDANCE AND CONFLICT, UH, EMAIL OR FORM AT THIS TIME, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. RIVERA.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WANT TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR OTHERWISE HAVE QUESTIONS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA? IN WHICH CASE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR OUR CONSENT AGENDA, INCLUDING OUR MINUTES FROM OUR JANUARY 9TH MEETING? I BELIEVE I GOT THAT CORRECT.

YES.

THAT SHOULD BE THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING.

AND, UM, THE CON THE AGENDA AS READ OUT BY THE CHAIRS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? I SEE.

UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WE HAVE A MOTION, DO HAVE A SECOND ON THIS.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS MOTION IS TO CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WELL.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAXWELL.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THIS ITEM.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MAXWELL TO CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR EITHER SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR GREEN CARDS.

APPRECIATE IT.

FOLLOWING ALL THE HANDS, IF I CAN SEE ONLINE, THIS PASSES, UH, ON CONSENT.

SO WE HAVE 11 VOTES IN FAVOR OF THIS.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR GETTING US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

THIS CONCLUDES THAT WE'LL GO TO OUR FIRST DISCUSSION

[Items 7 & 8]

ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

DO WE HAVE STAFF, UH, FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT? I, I GUESS I SHOULD JUST START BY SAYING THAT UH, WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM WHICH DEPARTMENTS ARE PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THIS.

ON THIS ITEM, WE, WE COULD WE'LL START WITH YOU.

GO AHEAD.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 23 0 0 1 8 0.05.

KENTON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ADDRESSES IS FOUR 10 AND FOUR 12.

KENTON DRIVE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE BRENTWOOD HIGHLAND COMBINED NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING AREA.

THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM HIGHER DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.

IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A LETTER RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HIGHLAND NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM AND THERE WAS NO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, WE'LL GO INTO SO FAR, UM, OUR SPEAKERS STARTING WITH THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION AND MR. RIVER, WILL YOU PLEASE MC THE PUBLIC HEARING ANNOUNCING SPEAKERS AND WHEN THEIR SPEAKER TIME HAS ENDED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, CHAIR WILL NOW HEAR FROM ZONING, UM, UH, STAFF.

APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

CYNTHIA HAD WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THIS IS ITEM EIGHT ON YOUR AGENDA.

C 14 2 MILLION 23 0 1 22 KINISON RESIDENTIAL.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON FOUR 10 AND FOUR 12 KINISON DRIVE.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED SF SIX MP AND THE REQUEST IS MF SIX MP.

THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION ARE APPROXIMATELY 0.4 ACRES DEVELOPED WITH TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND HAVE ACCESS TO KINON DRIVE LEVEL ONE AND ARE CURRENTLY ZONED TOWNHOUSE AND CONDOMINIUM RESIDENCE.

NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, SSF SIX MP COMBINED DISTRICT.

THE PROPERTIES HAVE MF THREE AND P TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST SSF THREE AND SF SIX TO THE EAST AND WEST, A PARKING GARAGE TO THE SOUTH AND OFFICE FACILITIES TO THE WEST.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MF SIX TO DEVELOP 30 DWELLING UNITS ON THE SITE.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO GRANT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS MEDIUM DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN MF THREE AND P DISTRICT ZONING.

SINCE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

NESSON DRIVE DOES NOT HAVE ANY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES DEVELOPED HIGHER THAN MF THREE AS THIS STREET IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A LEVEL ONE STREET AND IS NOT LOCATED ON AN THE

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IMAGINE AUSTIN ACTIVITY CORRIDOR.

THE GR R-M-U-V-C-O-N-P ZONING TO THE SOUTH IS NOT DEVELOPED WITH MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.

IT IS DEVELOPED WITH A PARKING GARAGE AND THIS REZONING WOULD FACE THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.

MF THREE NP WILL ALLOW FOR A BALANCE OF INTENSITIES AND DENSITIES ON KENTON DRIVE AS THERE IS SSF SIX NP ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SITE.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH STAFF.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER OUT TO OUR COMMISSIONERS AS WELL.

WE'RE TAKING OUR PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING, SO BOTH SEVEN AND EIGHT TOGETHER FOR AFGHANISTAN RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMISSIONER MAXWELL.

YEAH, JUST A POINT OF ORDER THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME AV ISSUES HERE AT THE CITY HALL.

SO IF THERE ARE EITHER OUR, UH, REMOTE COMMISSIONERS CAN'T HEAR US, UM, AND OR THERE'S ISSUES WITH SORT OF SOUND, JUST LET US KNOW.

AND ALSO JUST TO POINT OUT THAT WE ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO SOME OF THE SCREENS, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS IN FRONT OF US.

SO IF WE ARE MISSING ANY VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE JUST, UM, SPEAK UP AND LET US KNOW.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAXWELL.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, MR. RON THROWER, UM, WITH, UM, MR. VICTORIA HAAS PRESENT, UM, MR. THROWER WILL HAVE OR VICE VERSA, UH, WITH MR. RON THROWER PRESENT, MR. VICTORIA HASSI WILL HAVE NINE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS VICTORIA HASSI WITH THROWER DESIGN ON BEHALF OF THE LANDOWNER.

SUBJECT TRACT IS OUTLINED IN BLUE.

IT'S UH, JUST A LITTLE UNDER A HALF ACRE.

NEXT SLIDE.

CAN Y'ALL SEE ON YOUR, OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

WE ARE ASKING TO CHANGE THE COLOR ON THIS MAP FOR THESE TWO PROPERTIES FROM THAT, UH, KIND OF OLIVE GREEN COLOR TO ORANGE, WHICH WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY.

AND SOMETHING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT HALF OF THIS BLOCK IS ALREADY, UH, FLUMED FOR, UH, MULTIFAMILY USE.

NEXT SLIDE.

IN THE ASSOCIATED REZONING, WE'RE ASKING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO MF SIX.

UM, SOMETHING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN MF THREE TO THE NORTH AND GR IMMU TO THE SOUTH.

AND THEN IF YOU MOVE A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH ALONG AIRPORT BOULEVARD, WHICH IS AN IMAGINE AUSTIN ACTIVITY CORRIDOR, YOU HAVE C-S-M-U-V.

SO ALREADY THERE'S A TRANSITION IN, UH, ZONING AND INTENSITY OCCURRING AS YOU MOVE NORTH.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE IN THIS PRESENTATION.

EARLIER TODAY, THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON HOUSING AND PLANNING MET AND THEY RECEIVED AN UPDATE FROM AUSTIN TRANSIT PARTNERSHIP ON THE, UM, PROJECT CONNECT OR THE, UH, LIGHT RAIL PROGRAM OF THE PROJECT CONNECT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS THAT THERE'S AN URGENCY TO ADOPT POLICIES, UH, THAT WILL DIRECT GROWTH AND DENSITY TO OUR, UM, LIGHT RAIL.

UM, OUR LIGHT RAIL SYSTEMS. AND THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS, UM, ALREADY WITHIN A HALF MILE FROM TWO CURRENT LIGHT RAIL SYSTEMS. ONE AT CRESTVIEW AND THEN ONE RIGHT THERE, UH, ACROSS FROM HIGHLAND MALL.

UM, ALSO THIS PROPERTY IS SANDWICHED DIRECTLY BETWEEN TWO IMAGINE AUSTIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, CENTERS.

ONE'S A REGIONAL CENTER, ONE IS A TOWN CENTER.

SO THE GOLD STAR IN THE MIDDLE REPRESENTS THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY.

I CANNOT THINK OF OH, OH WELL CALLING ALSO TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT IT'S WITHIN A HALF MILE OF TWO RAPID STATION STOPS AND MORE THAN A DOZEN CAPITAL METRO BUS STOPS.

SO I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF A SITUATION OR A PROPERTY THAT IS BETTER, UH, SITUATED TO RECEIVE INCREASED DENSITY.

UH, 0.5 MILES WAS THE, UM, CRITICAL DISTANCE TO HAVING DENSITY TO SUPPORT THESE RAIL STATIONS.

AND WITH THIS PROPERTY BEING WITHIN LESS THAN A HALF MILE FROM TWO, I WOULD THINK THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS A CHART COMPARING THE DENSITY BETWEEN, UH, SSF SIX AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING WITH MF SIX.

UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE DIFFERENCE, UH, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE UNITS.

UH, THIS SITE AT POINT 0.4 ACRES IS NOT GOING TO YIELD A 90 STORY OR 90 FOOT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, BUT IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR MAYBE SOME SMALLER MICRO UNITS, UM, UNITS, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UM, PLACED WELL WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE TO A LOT OF TRANSIT AND MOBILITY.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS JUST A STREET SHOOT, A STREET SHOT OF, UH, THE, THE OF KENTON LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS CRESTVIEW STATION.

YOU'LL NOTICE, UM, ALONG THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN THERE IS A PARKING GARAGE THAT STAFF REFERENCED.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS LOOKING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE TWO SUBJECT TRACKS.

UM, NOT REALLY SURE HOW THIS PARTICULAR PARKING GARAGE WAS ABLE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT THIS LOCATION WITH COMPATIBILITY APPLYING, BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S

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EXISTING.

IT'S HERE AND THIS IS WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS ANOTHER SITE JUST TO THE NORTH OF THAT PARKING GARAGE.

AND UM, IT SHOWS TO BE UNDEVELOPED TODAY, BUT THEY ARE NEAR COMPLETION OF A A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND I WILL PASS IT TO RON CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, RON THROWER REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNER.

UM, THIS CASE REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE ABILITY TO PUT MICRO UNITS ON A, ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WE NEED UNLIMITED DENSITY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN.

THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS A PROJECT THAT I TOURED IN SEATTLE SOME MANY YEARS BACK, BUT IT'S UH, A PROJECT WHERE THEY TORE DOWN A TRIPLEX AND THEY PUT IN 42 MICRO UNITS ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND SO HERE'S THE TRIPLEX IN THIS LOCATION.

AND GRANTED IT HAS SOME SMALLER SCALE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S NEARBY, BUT IT'S GOT SINGLE FAMILY DIRECTLY BEHIND.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

AND SO HERE'S THE NEW 42 MICRO UNITS THAT ARE PUT ON THE PIECE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE PROPERTY IS 6,800 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT I THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MICRO UNITS.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND SO REZONING TO MF THREE IS GONNA LIMIT DENSITY.

UM, THE TENT FOR DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE THE EXACT SAME WHETHER IT'S MF THREE OR MF SIX 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COMPATIBILITY THAT'S GONNA CONSTRAIN IT FROM THE EAST AND THE WEST AND ALSO FROM THE THE NORTH.

UM, MF THREE, IF YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY WITH MF THREE, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 14 MICRO UNITS 'CAUSE YOU'RE SUBJECT TO THE SITE AREA REQUIREMENTS OF EFFICIENCIES BASICALLY.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ABILITY TO HAVE MAYBE MORE THAN 14 MICRO UNITS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

AND SO AGAIN, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE ABILITY TO HAVE MICRO UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.

AND I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS SEVEN BUS STOPS, OR EXCUSE ME, SEVEN BUS LINES WITHIN PROXIMITY TO THE PROPERTY AND THE ONE RAIL LINE.

AND SO THERE'S A RIDERSHIP THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THESE BUS LINES THAT HAS 175,000 PEOPLE EVERY WEEK ON THESE TWO BUS LINES.

AND SO AGAIN, AS VICTORIA HAD STATED, THIS SITE BEING IN THIS UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE IT'S LOCATED HALFWAY BETWEEN TWO RAIL STOPS, ALL THIS BUS SERVICE THAT'S AROUND THERE, YOU GOT MICRO-UNIT POTENTIAL THAT WE'RE SEEKING, UH, UNDER AN UNLIMITED MS SIX DENSITY OPPORTUNITY AND A LOCATION THAT IS VERY WALKABLE.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICES THAT ARE NEARBY AND OF COURSE YOU GOT A COLLEGE THAT'S RIGHT THERE, UH, NEARBY AS WELL.

AND WE'RE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

CHAIR COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDREW RIVERA.

THERE ARE NO SPEAKER ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

AND THE APPLICANT WILL FORGO THE REBUTTAL.

THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, UM, GONNA TAKE A VOTE TO CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM VOTE FROM COMMISSIONER MAXWELL.

WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT WE HAVE A, A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MAXWELL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON TO CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT, BOTH THE NPA AND THE REZONING CASE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR GREEN CARDS.

IF I READ THAT CORRECTLY.

I BELIEVE THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO THAT PASSES ON A VOTE OF 11.

I APPRECIATE, UM, THAT VERY MUCH SO, UH, ERS, WE'RE NOW GONNA GO INTO OUR RON ROBBINS.

A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY THAT WE, UH, WE ALLOW EIGHT COMMISSIONERS FIVE MINUTES EACH TO ASK QUESTIONS.

UM, AND A QUICK REMINDER TO COMMISSIONERS THAT AS YOU STATE YOUR QUESTION, PLEASE SAY WHO THE QUESTION IS FOR AND ALLOW A FEW SECONDS BEFORE, UM, ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS SO WE CAN HAVE THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY FOLKS WHO ARE WANNA ASK A QUESTION ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? MR. JOHNSON, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

UH, THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, UNDER THE CURRENT COMPATIBILITY RULES IN EFFECT, WHAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED ON THIS SITE? I UNDERSTAND THAT UNDER THE REQUESTED MF SIX, IT WOULD THEORETICALLY WOULD BE 90 FEET BEFORE COMPATIBILITY AND MF THREE WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT BEFORE COMPATIBILITY.

SO I'M WONDERING WHAT WOULD THE ACTUAL MAXIMUM HEIGHT ACHIEVABLE ON THE SITE BE UNDER CURRENT RULES, UM, FOR COMPAT, FOR COMPATIBILITY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW YET, BUT UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 40 CURRENTLY FOR MF FOUR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, DO WE

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HAVE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

SO, SO MY QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, IS THERE AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT WITH, UM, THESE, THIS DEVELOPMENT VICTORIA HASI, UM, COMMISSIONER? THERE IS NOT AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT AT THIS TIME.

UH, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE CAN'T BE IN THE FUTURE.

UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WITH CERTAIN PROJECTS, UM, CERTAIN TOOLS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

UM, BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T, UH, AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT.

THERE'S NOT EVEN A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AT THIS TIME.

AND MIGHT I ASK, UM, WHAT, UM, WHO ARE THE TARGET RESIDENTS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE TARGET RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE STUDENTS, UH, COLLEGE STUDENTS WITH THE A CC CAMPUS DOWN THE WAY.

UM, IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO BUS LINES THAT, YOU KNOW, GO TO UT, THOSE SORTS OF OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING.

SO IS THERE ANYTHING STOPPING YOU FROM PROVIDING AFFORDABILITY, UM, UNITS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO IN NEED OF HAVING AFFORDABLE MICRO UNITS IN THIS CITY? UM, OR IS THERE MANY PEOPLE WHO, WHO NEED THAT KIND OF RESIDENCE? ABSOLUTELY, AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE MORE DENSITY WE CAN GET, THE MORE, THE LOWER THE COST IS THAT THOSE UNITS CAN BE, UM, PROVIDED, UH, OR CAN BE OFFERED AT.

UM, WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY SPOKEN ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND AFFORDABLE UNITS WITH THIS PARTICULAR LANDOWNER, BUT, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ON EVERYONE'S RADAR.

AND AND WHAT DO YOU ENVISION THAT THE RENTS WOULD BE? I MEAN, A TARGET, THEY HAVE ZERO CLUE AT THIS TIME.

SO THERE'S NO AFFORDABILITY AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND NO DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME ABOUT AFFORDABILITY? THAT'S CORRECT.

NOW I WILL CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT IF THIS PROJECT MOVES, UH, FORWARD AND CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THOSE DENSITY BONUSES, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE AFFORDABILITY.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AN OPTION AND OPPORTUNITY.

IT WOULD AFFORD MORE UNITS, UM, DUE TO, UM, RIGHT, THE COMPATIBILITY AND NOT APPLYING, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE TODAY.

NOT CURRENTLY TODAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

AND A REMINDER, WE'RE BEING REMINDED AGAIN THOUGH TO SORT OF LIMIT OUR QUESTIONS ON AFFORDABILITY, AS IS ALWAYS THE CASE.

I, BUT PARDON ME.

I I WAS JUST SAYING, JUST TO REMIND YOU TO, ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS WE'RE BEING REMINDED BY THE LAW DEPARTMENT TO TIGHTEN OUR QUESTIONS ON AFFORDABILITY.

I THINK IT WAS PRETTY TIGHT.

DO WE HAVE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER COX.

YEAH, I, I GUESS QUESTION FOR, UH, MR. THROWER OR, OR THE APPLICANT, UM, BASED ON JUST A QUICK LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND SOME QUICK MEASUREMENTS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE JUST AS TALL OR COULD BE TALLER THAN THE PARKING GARAGE THAT YOU INDICATED, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION.

KINDA WONDERING HOW THAT COULD BE SO TALL.

AND, AND I GUESS MY, MY ISSUE WITH THIS IS THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED KIND OF A SCENARIO THIS, THIS IDEAL SCENARIO OF MICRO UNITS AND, AND PEOPLE WALKING TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TRAIN STATIONS, COLLEGE STUDENTS LIVING THERE, ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT I GUESS MY ISSUE IS WITH THE MICRO-UNIT CONCEPT, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE PROBABLY ZERO PARKING ON SITE.

IS THAT CORRECT? UM, TAKING YOUR QUESTIONS IN ORDER ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE ACROSS THE STREET, I BELIEVE THAT PARKING GARAGE IS, UH, CLOSE TO 60 FEET IN HEIGHT.

UH, WE THINK, YEAH, THAT THERE'S SOME ERROR IN THE ABILITY FOR THAT PARKING GARAGE TO ACHIEVE THAT LEVEL OF HEIGHT, GIVING THE COMPATIBILITY CONSTRAINTS.

UM, I'LL ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ERROR IN THE ACTUAL USE ASSIGNED TO THAT PROPERTY.

UM, IT'S A, IT'S SPECIFICALLY LABELED ON THE SITE PLAN AS AUTOMOTIVE SALES, AND I THINK IT IS MORE VEHICLE STORAGE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE CSS ZONING, WHICH IT DOESN'T HAVE.

BUT THAT, PUTTING THAT ISSUE ASIDE, IT'S BASICALLY A QUASI INDUSTRIAL USE THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ALLOWED ON OUR PROPERTY, UH, BECAUSE OF COMPATIBILITY, IT'S GONNA BE AROUND THE 40 FOOT RANGE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I KEEP SAYING THAT THE TENT FOR COMPATIBILITY IS GONNA DICTATE WHETHER THIS IS MF THREE OR MF SIX.

THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ALLOWED THERE? AND YES.

WELL, AND, AND I'M, I'M GETTING, I'M GETTING 300 FEET FROM SSF THREE AND THAT PUTS YOU AT 60 FEET, DOESN'T IT? UH, WE HAVE SSF THREE THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND US USE, USE SSF THREE AND ALSO USE SSF THREE.

THAT IS ON EACH SIDE.

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OH, I ON OUR MAP IT SAYS MF THREE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ZONING, THAT'S THE, THERE'S ZONING TRIGGER.

THERE'S ALSO A USE TRIGGER FOR COMPATIBILITY.

OKAY.

AND SO, SO YOU THINK THE USE TRIGGER IS GONNA LIMIT YOUR HEIGHT THE MOST? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IN FACT, I'LL GO TO THE PARKING GARAGE AGAIN BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE USE ON OUR PROPERTY TODAY, A SINGLE FAMILY SHOULD HAVE LIMITED THE HEIGHT OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE, BUT AGAIN, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT GOT CLOSE TO 60 FEET.

UM, SO, SO WOULD YOU OBJECT TO, TO SOME SORT OF MF ZONING THAT HAS A HEIGHT LIMITATION AT 40 FEET SINCE YOU THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA ESSENTIALLY BE YOUR CAP ANYWAYS? WELL, I WOULD QUESTION WHY WE NEED TO PUT A RESTRICTION ON HOUSING TO BEGIN WITH, BUT SECONDLY WELL, WELL, AND, AND, AND I CAN, I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

UH, IT'S BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE PRESENTED A SCENARIO THAT I THINK IS MORE PALATABLE THAN POSSIBLY A SCENARIO WHERE WE, WHERE THE CITY OPTS TO START TO LIMIT OR ELIMINATE COMPATIBILITY.

AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN, THEN YOU'VE GOT A 90 FOOT TALL BUILDING SURROUNDING, SURROUNDED BY A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY USES.

AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING ON THIS COMMISSION.

I MEAN, DO YOU THINK A 90 FOOT TALL MF SIX BUILDING IS APPROPRIATE IN, IN ESSENTIALLY SURROUNDED BY SSF USES? I DO NOT.

UH, BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT 40 FOOT IS APPROPRIATE WHEN YOU'VE GOT A INDUSTRIAL 60 FOOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU'VE GOT OPPORTUNITY EVEN UNDER M UNDER MF THREE TO HAVE GREATER HEIGHT WITH AFFORDABILITY BONUSES.

SO WHY PLACE A HEIGHT CAP ON ANYTHING IF IT'S GONNA BE CONSTRAINED NO MATTER WHAT.

AGAIN, COMPATIBILITY MAY GET RELAXED IN THE FUTURE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE.

I DON'T EVER SEE IT GETTING RELAXED TO THE POINT WHERE 90 FEET'S EVER GONNA BE ALLOWED ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

BUT LET'S JUST SAY IT DOES GET RELAXED, AS WE HEARD IN THE HOUSING SUBCOMMITTEE TODAY, WHERE 75 FEET IS GOING TO BE THE TRIGGER OF WHERE COMPATIBILITY WILL NO LONGER BE APPLICABLE.

THESE PROPERTIES ARE SEVEN TWO LOTS AT 73 FOOT WIDE EACH.

WE STILL HAVE SINGLE FAMILY ON EACH SIDE, MUCH LESS TO THE NORTH, UH, ABUTTING THE PROPERTY AS WELL.

THIS PROPERTY IS NEVER GOING TO HAVE AN EXEMPTION OF COMPATIBILITY UNDER THAT 75 FOOT, UH, DISCUSSION THAT'S HAPPENING TO TODAY ON WELL, BUT, BUT THE BUT THE DISCUSSION COULD QUICKLY TURN TO ESSENTIALLY JUST USE ZONING RATHER THAN USE, IN WHICH CASE THE 75 FEET WOULD GIVE YOU FULL ENTITLEMENTS UP TO 90 FEET.

CORRECT? RIGHT.

I GUESS THAT COULD BE A POSSIBLE SCENARIO.

YES.

BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL.

HOW GREAT WOULD THAT BE TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF HOUSING BE ALLOWED? WELL, I JUST, I MEAN, YOU AGREED THAT THAT'S, THAT, THAT YOU DON'T EVEN AGREE THAT THAT A 90 FOOT TALL MICRO-UNIT STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY USE.

BUT, BUT WE MAY BE LOOKING AT THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND SO I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THIS AS FUTURE PROOFING.

I WANT, I THINK IT DESERVES A MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA START CHANGING COMPATIBILITY, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, IF AN MF SIX, WHICH IS TYPICALLY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, IS, IS APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THIS SITE.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY, MY POINT.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR POINT AND RESPECT IT.

COMMISSIONER COX, THANK YOU.

YOU'VE RUN OUT OF TIME.

THANKS.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, COMMISSIONER HAYNES, PLEASE GO AHEAD IF YOU NO, COMMISSIONER.

THANKS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF? YES.

ALRIGHT.

AND, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER, BUT HE'S WAY MORE VERSED THAN I AM.

AND LANKA, I'M STILL THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK.

SO WHY DID YOU, UH, WHY DID YOU RECOMMEND MF THREE OR WHY DID THE STAFF RECOMMEND MF THREE? UM, WE LISTED A COUPLE OF REASONS.

OH, CAN YOU GIMME ONE SECOND TO I I CAN'T, AND I'M GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT IF Y'ALL WANT TO COME THIS WAY AFTER THEY'RE DONE.

UM, THE BASIS OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, I'M JUST GONNA READ A COUPLE OF THEM REALLY QUICK.

SURE, SURE.

PLEASE.

UH, THERE'S A LEVEL ONE STREET, WHICH IS KENON DRIVE.

UM, DOES, SORRY, I'M JUST GONNA RE READ REALLY QUICK.

OKAY.

THE STREET IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, A LEVEL ONE STREET, AND IT'S NOT LOCATED ON THE IMAGINE AUSTIN ACTIVITY CORRIDOR.

UM, THE GR M-U-V-C-O-N-P ZONING TO THE SOUTH IS NOT DEVELOPED WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.

IT'S DEVELOPED WITH THE PARKING GARAGE.

AND THIS REZONING WOULD FACE THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.

MF THREE NP WILL ALLOW FOR A BALANCE OF INTENSITIES AND DENSITIES ON KENON DRIVE AS THERE'S SSF SIX AND P ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SITE.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

,

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UH, MS. HSI, CAN I ASK YOU FIRST, AND THEN, UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS, THERE'S A DIRECTION, OR I, I FORGET HOW YOU PHRASE THAT.

I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, UH, BUT THAT THERE'S A NEED DIRECTION TO, UH, DO DENSITY FOR THE, UH, LIGHT RAIL FOR ALL THAT.

WHY, WHY IS THAT THE CASE? WELL, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DENSITY THAT'S NEEDED IN ORDER TO MAKE TRANSIT WORK, UH, EFFICIENTLY, PROPERLY.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DENSITY TO SUPPORT IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THE RIDERSHIP.

SO 0.5 MILES WAS THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF THE, THE PROXIMITY WHERE YOU WANT INCREASED DENSITY IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THAT TRANSIT SERVICE.

I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THERE'S A RANKING, THE WAY THEY EXPLAINED IT IN, IN THE MEETING COMMITTEE TODAY, THERE'S A RANKING IN TERMS OF LIKE WHAT THEY LOOK AT, WHAT THEY LOOK AT FOR PROJECTS TO RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDING.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE DENSITY WE CAN SHOW, THE MORE POLICIES WE HAVE IN PLACE TO SHOW THAT DENSITY IS COMING TO THESE CORRIDORS, THE, THE BETTER CHANCES WE ARE OF GETTING THAT FEDERAL FUNDING.

SO NOT TO QUOTE KEVIN COSTNER IN THE FIELD OF DREAMS, MAYBE IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.

IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL FUND IT ESSENTIALLY.

YES.

PERFECT.

THANKS MR. TH I'LL ONLY ADD TO THAT, THAT THERE'S A STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN THE, IN THE NORTHWEST KINGS COUNTY AREA THAT'S CONSIDERED, I THINK THE GOSPEL DOCUMENT ABOUT WHAT IS KINGS COUNTY, WHAT STATE? IN WASHINGTON, NOT BY SEATTLE.

OKAY, THANKS.

UM, BUT IT'S CONSIDERED THE DOCUMENT THAT EVERYBODY REFERS TO ABOUT DENSITIES NECESSARY FOR SUSTAINABLE TRANSIT AND FOR RAIL LINES.

THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 54 PEOPLE IN JOBS PER ACRE WITHIN, I BELIEVE IT'S, MAYBE IT'S A HALF MILE.

UM, AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE A, WHEN YOU TAKE A SPHERE AROUND A STATION, YOU GOTTA EXCLUDE ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA.

YOU GOTTA EXCLUDE ALL THE FLOODPLAIN IN THAT AREA, AND YOU GOTTA EXCLUDE EVERYTHING WHERE YOU CAN'T PUT A UNIT OR A JOB TO GET TO THAT, A LEVEL OF 54 UNITS PER ACRE.

THANKS.

AND WE ARE WAY BEHIND ON ALL OF THIS STUFF, ON ALL OF OUR CORRIDORS TODAY.

APPRECIATE IT.

UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF RECOMMENDS AN MF, AN MF THREE MP, AND, UM, HAS EXPLAINED PRETTY THOROUGHLY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU, IF WE GO WITH THAT, THEN THROUGH DEVELOPMENT, THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN BONUS PROGRAMS, IT WOULD PROVIDE SOME, SOME HOUSING, SOME HOUSING DIVERSITY, SOME UM, LOWER INCOME HOUSING.

YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET HIGHER THAN 75 FEET IF COMPATIBILITY.

I UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT ALL 'CAUSE I'M STILL THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK, BUT, UH, SO IF MP THREE GETS YOU WHAT YOU NEED, EVEN THOUGH I GET IT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT BONUS PROGRAM.

BUT IF IT GETS YOU WHAT YOU NEED, WHY, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION? IT'S A SMALL SITE TO BEGIN WITH.

UM, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GO UNDER AFFORDABILITY, UNLOCK TIER ONE, UH, WHICH REQUIRES 25% OF THE UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE ON A SMALLER PROJECT, IT IS VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE THAT.

THAT'S WHY YOU, YOU TYPICALLY ONLY SEE AFFORDABILITY UNLOCK PROJECTS THAT ARE BIGGER COMPLEXES BECAUSE THEY CAN SPREAD THAT OUT OVER MORE UNITS.

AND SO COULD WE DO THAT? SURE.

IS THAT LIKELY TO HAPPEN? PROBABLY NOT.

I THINK IT'S, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF CONSTRAINT ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SITUATION WHERE IT'S GOING TO ONLY DEVELOP AS MF THREE AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET DENSITY.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER AL UM, A QUESTION FOR STAFF REGARDING THE, THE STREET LEVEL DESIGNATIONS THAT ARE THERE, COMMISSIONER AL, WE HAVE STAFF WALKING UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, YEAH, I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THE LEVEL ONE DESIGNATION MEANS AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.

YES.

GIMME ONE SECOND.

SURE.

I KNOW MR. THROWER SHOWED SOME REALLY NICE PICTURES OF THE SEATTLE STREET AND I, I REALLY DO.

I LIVED THERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND SERVED ON THE PARKS AND REC THERE AND I, I REALLY ADMIRE THEIR PLANNING, INCLUDING DESIGNATED OFF STREET, UH, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, DESIGNATED BIKE LANES, AND SEPARATE PARKING SEPARATE FROM THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON THEIR SMALL LEVEL STREETS THAT GO IN FRONT OF THESE MULTI-UNIT COMPLEXES.

YES.

SO THE EXISTING STREET CHARACTERISTICS, KINISON ROAD IS A LEVEL ONE,

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UH, WHICH MEANS A SMP REQUIRED RIGHT OF WAY IS 58 FEET EXISTING.

RIGHT OF WAY IS 51 FEET.

AN EXISTING PAVEMENT IS 28 FEET.

UM, THE SIDEWALKS ARE ONLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KINISON DRIVE, SO NOT ON THE SIDE THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS ON.

IT'S ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, THERE IS NOT A BICYCLE ROUTE AND THEN THE CAPITAL METRO IS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER STREETS THROUGH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE THOSE ALL LEVEL ONES AS WELL THAT GET ALL THOSE HOMES OUT GOING SOUTH OR GOING UP NORTH? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S TO THE, SORRY, I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING ON THE MAP.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF TO THE NORTHEAST MAYBE THERE'S A, THERE'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL, THERE'S A PUBLIC MIDDLE SCHOOL ON ONE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN ACROSS THE MAIN STREET WE HAVE AN ELEMENTARY AS WELL.

I WANNA SAY THAT LIKE SWEENEY DRIVE, WHICH IS NORTH A LITTLE BIT NORTH IS GONNA BE A LEVEL ONE, BUT I'M, I'M NOT POSITIVE WITHOUT PULLING IT UP.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM, , THANK YOU.

I HAD NO OTHER QUESTIONS YIELD BACK.

I'M SORRY.

COMMISSIONER SHUTTER, CAN YOU PLEASE REMAIN STATE THAT AGAIN, NO OTHER QUESTIONS YIELD BACK.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? UH, COMMISSIONER MAXWELL, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

UM, YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR APPLICANTS REALLY.

UM, SO LOOKING AT GOOGLE'S PREVIEW, WHICH IS EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE THING TO DO, I AM NOTICING THAT THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY ON THE STREET AND IT SEEMED TO BE THE SAME CASE WHEN YOU SHOWED US SOME OF THE MAPS EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION.

AND SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE EXPECTATION IS THAT A LOT OF THESE LOTS WILL COME UP FOR REDEVELOPMENT AS WE SEE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF INVESTMENTS ALONG THE LINES OF PROJECT CONNECT AND WHATNOT? I WOULD SAY YES.

THAT'S MY HOPE, YEAH.

.

YEAH.

AND THEN RELATED TO THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE JUST TODAY HEARD ABOUT, UM, SOMETHING CALLED AN EAD OVERLAY, WHICH IS EQUITABLE TRANSIT OVERLAY.

AND IF WE HAD SOME OF THOSE TOOLS IN PLACE, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS CASE MIGHT HAVE BEEN HANDLED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE STAFF WOULD'VE CONSIDERED THE PROXIMITY OF THE INVESTMENTS RELATED TO PROJECT CONNECT? YES, I DO.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND THEN I GUESS ALSO RELATED TO MY QUESTION ON THIS IS, UM, AS YOU WERE SPEAKING TO EARLIER, WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE FTA MODELING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT THAT HALF MILE IS REALLY CRITICAL.

SO IF WE HAVE PROJECTS LIKE THIS, THAT THAT BASICALLY INCREASES THEIR DENSITY LEVELS AND ESSENTIALLY ENSURES MORE FEDERAL DOLLARS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

YEAH.

YEP.

AND THEN I GUESS ONE LAST QUESTION HERE IS THAT DOES SEEM TO BE A SORT OF MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD AS, SO PEOPLE WERE ASKING ABOUT THE TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE SEVERAL, LIKE THE ACC HIGHLAND CAMPUSES NEARBY ALL OF THOSE.

SO I GUESS YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE IS ALREADY A SORT OF, UM, RENTERS AND OTHER PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS AREA.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

MM-HMM, .

GREAT.

THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAXWELL, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM FOLKS NOT SEEING OTHERWISE? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION CHAIR.

OH, YES.

CHAIR HAD A QUESTION.

PROCEDURAL PROCEDURAL QUESTION, UM, SINCE WE HAVE EX OFFICIOS PRESENT AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY FOR US, CAN WE ASK THEIR ADVICE? UH, IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS FROM THEM, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DIRECT QUESTIONS TO THEM? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

COMMISSIONER AL.

SORRY.

SO ARE WE ARE ABLE TO DIRECT QUESTIONS? YES.

YES.

MAY I DIRECT A QUESTION TO OUR A ISD TRUSTEE CHAIR COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDREW.

SO, UM, JUST, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT WOULD BE DURING YOUR REGULAR Q AND A.

I APPRECIATE THAT SINCE, LET ME WAIT, UH, 'CAUSE MR, SINCE COMMISSIONER STALL YOU HAD ALREADY GONE FOR HER.

LET ME MAKE SURE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE WHO DOES NEED TO ASK A QUESTION.

WE DO HAVE SOME SPOTS LEFT TO ALLOW, ALLOW YOU TO GO ON THE SECOND ROUND.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS NOT ALREADY ASKED A QUESTION? WHO WOULD LIKE COMMISSIONER HOWARD, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

I'LL, I'LL DEFER MY TIME TO COMMISSIONER MS. STALL.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, IN THAT CASE, HONESTLY, COMMISSIONER MICHELLE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE ASKING A QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO A ISD SCHOOLS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS AREA.

UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING IF WE'RE THERE? OBVIOUSLY THERE ISN'T ANY HOUSING ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE'RE BRINGING IN, UM, I I GUESS IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY FROM THE APPLICANT, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SMALLER TENANT UNITS, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY EXPECTING FAMILIES PER SE, BUT MAYBE, UH, WORKERS OR STUDENTS.

BUT I'M, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THAT DOES TO OUR SCHOOL ENROLLMENTS IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION OR CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, TWO THINGS.

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ONE, ANYTIME YOU PUT IN UNITS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR MULTIPLE FAMILIES, TWO BEDROOMS, THREE BEDROOMS, YOU'RE, UM, AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO SHRINK THE NUMBER THAT, UH, WHAT WE CALL OUR SHARE OF THE STUDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND, UM, PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR EVEN THERE'S NEAR A CHARTER SCHOOL NEAR THERE.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I SAY THAT 'CAUSE MY OPINION , UM, THE MLK MAINOR CREEK IS COMING ON THIS SIDE.

UH, THE MFI OF THIS AREA IS NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

IT'S, IT'S, YOU'VE GOT OLDER FAMILIES THERE AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THOSE APARTMENTS, THEY ARE, I BET YOU THERE'S NOT ANYBODY OVER THERE PAYING $1,200.

THIS WILL PUSH ALL THAT UP, BUT IT JUST KIND OF, KIND OF CASCADES.

THEN THE NEXT APARTMENT WAITS TILL ALL THE LEASES END AND THEN THEY REFURBISH AND THEN THOSE RENTS GO UP AND THEN THE NEXT APARTMENT DOES THE SAME.

SO IT, IT IS A CASCADING EFFECT AND WE SEE IT ALL OVER THE CITY.

COMMISSIONER, MR. STALLER, DID YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP? NO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

NOT HEARING OTHERWISE, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

COMMISSIONER MAXWELL, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE APPLICANT REQUEST.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON THANK YOU CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDREW VERA.

UH, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE'RE TAKING TWO ITEMS IN TANDEM, SO IF WE CAN, UH, RESTATE THE MOTION THAT IS, UM, I, WE SHOULD THAT, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, COMMISSIONER MAXIM, WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH 12 AND 13, SO BOTH THE NPA AND THE REZONING, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD WITH APPLICANT REQUEST SEVEN, EIGHT, SORRY.

YES.

SEVEN AND EIGHT.

MY BAD.

DID I READ IT OUT WRONG? YES, YOU DID.

UH, MY BAD.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAYNES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

WE SEE YOUR FINGER .

HE SECOND WAIT.

OH, YOU'RE, WAIT, YOU JUST, OH, OKAY.

SO YOU WERE TRYING TO SECOND IT.

OKAY, I REACHED THAT.

SO WE HAVE A, UM, MOTION HERE FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MAXWELL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON FOR BOTH THE NPA AND THE REZONING.

THIS ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

UH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER HAYNES, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A, UM, SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND FOR SEVEN AND EIGHT, UH, PROPOSE THAT WE GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS.

SO WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE HERE.

UM, THIS IS FROM COMMISSIONER HAYNES SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS ON BOTH SEVEN AND EIGHT TO GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SO WE DO ALLOW, AT THIS POINT FOR FOLKS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MOTIONS, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THAT OR WE CAN ACTUALLY GO, UM, TO OUR VOTING AS WELL.

BUT I'LL CERTAINLY GIVEN, UH, AN I AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR MOTION MAKER TO EXPLAIN THEIR MOTION.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, YES, I OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UH, FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, DO SO BECAUSE, UH, THE WAY I I LOOK AT THE THING AND THE WAY I READ IT IS THAT, UM, I, I'M, I'M IN GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THE INCREASED DENSITY HERE AND THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED MF THREE.

AND, UH, WITH THAT, UH, IF THE APPLICANT DECIDES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE BONUS PROGRAM, UH, IT GETS THEM ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, IT GETS THEM ADDITIONAL DENSITY AND THE ADDED BENEFIT FOR THE OVERALL, NOT ONLY OF NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE OVERALL POPULATION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, IT GETS US SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE, ARE CERTAINLY IN LINE WITH OUR, UM, UH, GOALS UNDER THE IMAGINE AUSTIN PROGRAM.

UH, AND IT, IT MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, HAS PREVIOUSLY SAID WE'RE FOR.

AND I THINK IT'S A, WOULD BE A WIN-WIN.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HAYNES, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER SPEAKING AGAINST THIS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I HAVE A QUESTION.

OKAY.

THE MOTION MAKER AS LONG IT'S A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

YES.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HAYNES, I KEEP HEARING HEARING YOU SPEAK OF POTENTIAL BONUS PROGRAMS ON THIS SITE.

CAN YOU ELABORATE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? SURE.

UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF, IF THEY DO AN MF UH, AN MF THREE THAT, UH, THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE BONUS PROGRAM AND INCREASE THEIR HEIGHT, UH, THAT THEY WOULD BE CAPPED AT, AT, I BELIEVE 40 FEET, UH, UNDER THE BASE ZONING.

BUT IF THEY ADD, UM, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN THEY CAN INCREASE THAT HEIGHT AND THEN, AND THEREFORE INCREASE THE DENSITY.

SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKED? YES.

OKAY.

AND THEN CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT? UNLESS IT'S A, IT IS A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

OKAY.

I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ALLOW IT APPLICANT.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF, UH, IF, IF YOU ALL WOULD LOOK TO MOVE FORWARD

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WITH THIS AND HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THIS SUBSTITUTE.

WOULD, WOULD THE APPLICANT STILL LOOK TO DEVELOP UNDER THIS NEW ZONING THAT'S BEEN COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I FEEL LIKE THAT'S JUST BECOMES A REGULAR QUESTION, SO I MIGHT ASK YOU TO PULL BACK ON THAT QUESTION.

OKAY.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

I GUESS IN A NUTSHELL, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH US? NO, WE'RE NOT.

IT'S GONNA BE VERY LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.

SO WHERE WE ARE IN THE ORDER IS DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AGAINST THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAYNES? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, SO I THINK A LOT OF US UP HERE WERE IN THE ROOM WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING AFFORDABILITY AND LOCKED AND AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKED WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE JUST KIND OF A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT TOOL.

IT WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE SUBSIDIZED.

AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THIS APPLICANT SAYING THEY HOPE TO DO A SUBSET SUBSIDIZED DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE.

I THINK THEY WANNA DO MARKET RATE AND I DON'T WANNA KILL THE VIABILITY OF A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH JUST LOOKS TO DO INADVERTENTLY MOST LIKELY.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND A FEAR OF HEIGHT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE FEAR OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH HOUSING A LOT MORE.

AND SO I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN VOTE NO ON THIS AND VOTE YES FOR THE BASE MOTION OF THE APPLICANT'S UM, REQUEST.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS? SPEAKING IN FAVOR, COMMISSIONER COX, CHAIR.

UM, COMMISSIONER COX, GO AHEAD AND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS WELCOME, COME TO YOU TO THE THIRD SQUAD.

COMMISSIONER COX, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO SAY, UH, MF SIX DOESN'T BELONG ON LEVEL ONE STREETS AND, AND THE MAP THAT THE APPLICANT SHOWED IS VERY ILLUMINATING.

THIS IS NOT WITHIN A TOWN CENTER, IT'S NOT WITHIN AN ACTIVITY CENTER, IT'S NOT WITHIN A CORRIDOR.

SO WHEN THE APPLICANT SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT BETTER PROPERTY TO HAVE MF SIX ON, I CAN THINK OF MANY.

UH, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR DESIGNATED ACTIVITY CORRIDORS, TOWN CENTERS, TRANSIT CORRIDORS, ALL OF THE FUN STUFF THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY PLANNING OUT.

UM, I ALSO AM ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS SKEPTICAL OF A MARKET VI VIABILITY ARGUMENT.

YOU JUST LOOK AROUND, THERE'S PLENTY OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ZONED MF THREE IN THIS AREA THAT ARE PERFECTLY FINE.

DO THEY OFFER MICRO UNITS THAT DON'T KNOW? MAYBE NOT, BUT IS MICROUNITS WHAT WE NEED? I DON'T KNOW.

LET LET THE MARKET DETERMINE THAT.

SO I I JUST THINK THAT VIABILITY IS NOT A STRONG ARGUMENT AND, AND THERE'S MUCH BETTER PROPERTIES THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING.

MF SIX, MF SIX WITHIN COUPLE HUNDRED FEET OF SSF THREE IS JUST NOT APPROPRIATE.

AND IF WE OPEN THAT PANDORA'S BOX, I THINK, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A BIT OF A MESS.

I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING CLEAR AS TO HOW WE CAN INTERACT DURING THIS PROCESS IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO ASK THE APPLICANT EVERY SINGLE TIME A MOTION IS MADE, IF THEY AGREE TO IT.

UH, I, I'D REALLY LIKE THAT CLARIFIED BY WHOEVER ENDS UP BECOMING THE PARLIAMENTARIAN BECAUSE THAT JUST SEEMS NOT APPROPRIATE IN THIS DISCUSSION ON THE DIETS AT THIS POINT.

SO JUST HOPING WE CAN GET THAT CLARIFIED.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER COX, DO WE HAVE OTHER FOLKS SPEAKING AGAINST THIS MOTION? MR. JOHNSON, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

UH, THANK YOU.

YEAH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOT INCREASING OR MAXIMIZING THE DENSITY ON THIS SITE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT ISN'T WITHIN THE EXACT BOUNDARIES OF THE DESIGNATED, UH, PLAN CENTERS NEARBY, BUT YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT THAT THE APPLICANT MADE THIS IS A PROPERTY WITHIN A VERY EASY WALKING DISTANCE OF EXISTING MASS TRANSIT, NOT JUST PLANNED FUTURE TRANSIT.

UM, THAT ALONE IN MY MIND, QUALIFIES IT FOR SOME DEGREE OF, OF RELATIVELY HIGH OR VERY HIGH DENSITY.

UH, IT'S A VERY SMALL SITE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLICATED CONSTRAINTS.

I THINK COMPATIBILITY IS SORT OF THE BIG QUESTION.

UM, I AGREE.

I THINK 90 FEET IS R TWO TALL IN THE, UH, MIDDLE OR EVEN ON THE EDGE OF A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS.

I THINK 60 FEET LIKE THE PARKING GARAGE PROBABLY MAKES SENSE.

UM, IF ANYTHING, I THINK MF FIVE MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE COMPROMISE ON THIS SITE.

UH, BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT HEIGHT ASIDE, MF THREE ACTUALLY CAPS THE UNIT COUNT DENSITY OF A PROPERTY AT A LOWER LEVEL THAN MF FOUR OR MF FIVE, WHEREAS MF SIX DOESN'T COUNT THE CAP, THE ACTUAL COUNT OF UNITS ALLOWED.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY MY CONCERN WITH MF THREE IS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HEIGHT, UH, THE APPLICANT COULD REACH UNDER MF THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX, UH, THAT ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS GOING TO BE LOWER, UH, BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF MF THREE.

UH, BASICALLY ENSURING THAT WHATEVER NUMBER OF UNITS ARE BUILT WILL BE LARGER AND INHERENTLY LESS AFFORDABLE UNDER MF THREE.

APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS, YOU HAVE THE LAST FOUR SPOTS SINCE YOU HAD RAISED YOUR HAND EARLIER.

YEAH, SO WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT DENSITY AND I

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GENERALLY AGREE THAT DENSITY, THAT MORE DENSITY IS NEEDED AND I THINK THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION GETS US THERE.

WHAT WE NEVER REALLY HEAR ENOUGH OF IS AFFORDABILITY, BECAUSE A LOT OF, AND AND HOW THESE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS AND REDEVELOPMENTS AND REZONING IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IMPACT IN PARTICULAR PEOPLE OF COLOR.

AS, UH, TRUSTEE CANDACE HUNTER POINTED OUT WHAT IT DOES TO THE SCHOOLS, WHAT IT DOES TO THE POPULATION OF AUSTIN.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE INTERESTED IN, IN BUILDING THE MARKET RATES, BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD FOR A MF THREE ZONING THAT WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IF THE, UH, APPLICANTS WERE WILLING TO DO THAT.

SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT ALSO ADDRESS AFFORDABILITY.

SO AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT DENSITY IS A TWO-EDGED SWORD.

THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE ADVANTAGED AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE DAMAGED AND WE CANNOT PRETEND THAT THERE'S NO DAMAGE.

AND SO WE, I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD LOOK FOR A COMPROMISE THAT PUTS US IN THE POSITION TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS OF AUSTIN AND NOT JUST STUDENTS AND NOT, OR NOT JUST THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD THESE UNITS.

THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SPEAKING AGAINST THIS ITEM, THIS MOTION? SORRY, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

OKAY.

WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL A VOTE ON THIS.

SO THIS IS THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAYNES, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE STAFF REQUEST.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HANDS OR SHOW US YOUR GREEN CARDS, ALL THOSE AGAINST.

AND I AM SORRY, WHY AM I COUNTING EIGHT COMMISSIONERS? DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY JOIN? OH, UM, I SEE COMMISSIONER WOODS, YOU'RE HERE AS WELL.

SO NOW WE'RE AT 12 .

I'M, I'M LIKE, I'M NOT, MY ARITHMETIC HAS GONE OUT THE WINDOW .

UM, SO IF I COUNT THAT CORRECTLY, THAT WAS 4, 4 8 AGAINST THAT ITEM, UH, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FAILS.

THIS TAKES US BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

THIS IS BY COMMISSIONER MAXWELL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

UM, THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT REQUEST AND SOMEONE PLEASE REMIND ME, I BELIEVE WE DID NOT SPEAK ON THIS, SO, UM, I'LL GIVE THE MOTION MAKER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON IT AND IT WILL GO THROUGH AGAIN.

THREE, FOUR AND THREE AGAINSTS.

GO AHEAD, CHAIR.

YES.

COMMISSIONER COX.

IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO OFFER ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE? YES, YOU CAN OFFER A SUBSTITUTE AT THIS TIME.

I WAS KIND OF CONVINCED BY, UH, OUR NEW COMMISSION'S ARGUMENT AS A COMPROMISE.

AND SO I'LL OFFER THE SUBSTITUTE THAT WE APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE LAND USE PLAN AND THEN OR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND THEN, UH, UH, RECOMMEND MF FIVE FOR THE ZONING CHANGE.

I PREACH THAT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? I SEE YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A SECOND? SO THIS IS A SUBSTITUTE BY COMMISSIONER COX, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

UM, THIS WOULD BE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE NPA AND THEN MF FIVE ON THE UM, UH, ZONING CASE.

UH, COMMISSIONER COX, I WILL GIVE YOU THE FIRST TALK TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, PARLIAMENTARY INCORRECT.

UH, WE HAVE A PARLIAMENTARY.

YES, GO AHEAD.

AND THIS JUST PLEASES MY HEART TO OFFER THIS, TO ASK