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[CALL TO ORDER]

[00:00:19]

SET, HEATHER, IS YOUR CAMERA WORKING? ALL RIGHT.

AWESOME.

I THINK WE GOT EVERYBODY THERE.

UM, THANK YOU ALL.

UH, WE DO HAVE

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO COMMUNICATE WITH US TONIGHT, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.

SO I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ROHAN, DO YOU HAVE THEIR NAMES? IT'S JUST, OKAY, WELCOME.

GREETINGS, ALL MY NAME IS SANTIAGO, OR PLEASE CALL ME SANTIAGO.

I'VE, UH, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THIS GROUP YET.

UM, I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

UM, SO A LITTLE INTRODUCTION.

UM, I'VE GOT, UM, PROBABLY AT THIS POINT, SEVERAL HUNDRED HOURS, UH, VOLUNTEERING WITH AN ORGANIZATION HERE IN TOWN CALLED FESTIVAL BEACH FOOD FOREST.

UM, I'M ONE OF THE CORE VOLUNTEER MEMBERS AND, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS LATELY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THIS.

UH, IT'S A, A PERMACULTURE DEMONSTRATION GARDEN ON PUBLIC PARK LAND.

UM, THERE'S AN AGREEMENT GOING FORWARD TO EXPAND FROM TWO THIRDS OF AN ACRE TO THREE ACRES.

UM, IT'S LOCATED AT, UM, EDWARD RENDON PARK, SO I 35 AND TOWN LAKE.

UM, ONE OF OUR WORKING GROUPS THAT HAS BEEN, UH, EMERGED LATELY IS, UH, BEEN WITH REGARD TO RESPONDING TO TXTS I 35 PROPOSAL.

UM, ONE OF MY KEY, UH, COMPLAINTS HAS BEEN TO LOOK AT A PECAN GROVE, UH, THAT IS LOCATED IN EDWARD RENDON PARK AND IS BEING, UH, THREATENED BY A, UM, TEMPORARY NON-CONFORMING USE, UH, AS NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND TEXAS PARK AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT.

AND, UH, TXDOT REP, UH, RECOGNIZES THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED THE LAND OF WATER CONSERVATION FUND IN 1965, WHICH, UH, GAVE MONEY TO PROPERTIES AND THAT, UH, TO PROTECT THAT INVESTMENT IN THOSE, UM, PROPERTIES.

UH, THIS CLAUSE, UM, REQUIRES WHAT'S CALLED THE SECTION SIX F CONVERSION.

UM, AND SO THIS, I IMAGINE WILL SHOW UP, UH, PRETTY SOON IN TERMS OF, OF DISCUSSION.

UM, WITH REGARD TO THE ORACLE SITE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THESE IN TERMS OF PARKLAND, UH, UH, RECREATIONAL VALUE.

UM, SO I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UM, SORT OF TO, TO SIDETRACK A LITTLE BIT.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND, UM, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME OF THE BRIEFINGS WITH REGARD TO ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, UM, UPDATES THAT ARE GOING TO ARISE FROM THERE.

UM, AN INQUIRY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEND OVER TO THAT DIRECTION IS TO LOOK AT LINGER LANE.

UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, STORM WATER 22 FOOT DIAMETER TUNNEL THAT WILL BE GOING UNDERNEATH EITHER CHAVEZ, THE OUTFALL STATION, UM, THE NAT NATIONWIDE PERMIT SEVEN, WHICH IS PART OF THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, UH, PROCEDURES.

UM, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SECTION 1 0 6, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH, UH, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION PROCESS, WHICH I BELIEVE DID NOT RECOGNIZE THIS PECAN GROVE, WHICH HAS A MARKER FROM 1965 TO ESTABLISH, UH, THE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT.

UM, LOOKING AT DESIGN COMMISSION, UM, THERE'S A, AN ORGANIZATION CALLED INTERGENERATIONAL DAYCARE CENTER.

SO, UH, LOOKING AT THIS SITE AS A CAMPUS, UM, AND UNDERSTANDING, UH, WHAT OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ARE THERE AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE GIVEN BACK, UH, NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF MITIGATION, BUT IN TERMS OF ENHANCEMENT.

UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN VERY LITTLE COMMITMENTS THAT TXO HAS OFFERED, UH, IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION IN THE PAST TWO DECADES, HAS LOOKED AT THE CUT AND CAP SOLUTION, WHICH TURS LOOKS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, BUT NO ONE'S LOOKED AT THE BRIDGE AND THEY'RE, UH, THEY'VE TRIED THREE TIMES NOW AND 1952 AND 1984.

UM, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, SO, THANK Y'ALL.

THANK YOU.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

OKAY.

[1. Approval of minutes from the December 13th meeting of the Joint Sustainability Committee. ]

WE ARE GONNA MOVE, UH, ONTO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR DECEMBER 13TH MEETING.

THANK YOU, ROHAN, FOR THE MINUTES.

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MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT, I'VE GOT A MOTION.

CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS, DIANA.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, SAY AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, WHAT I THINK WILL BE A PRETTY QUICK ITEM, UH, DISCUSSION AND ACTION TO APPROVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO AMEND THE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN.

THIS ISN'T PRESENTATION.

YOU DO HAVE A PRESENTATION WELL, WE DO ON THE, UH, LOW CARBON CONCRETE.

RIGHT? THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE SOMEONE IN AND OUT.

OKAY.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

I DO THINK THIS ONE WILL BE QUICK, BUT THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S, THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T PUSH IT.

SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO, WHERE ARE WE, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AND

[7. Proposed plan to transition to Low-Carbon Concrete in support of Council Resolution (Ed Poppit and Angela Johnson, Office of the City Engineer).]

TAKE THAT UP OUT OF ORDER.

UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS ANGELA JONES.

I'M TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US TODAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US TODAY.

AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT ON SUCH A, A IMPORTANT TOPIC, CITY OF WESTERN PLAN TO TRANSITION TO LOW EMBODIED CARBON CONCRETE.

AND LET ME START WITH A FEW STATEMENTS.

THE USE OF TRADITIONAL CEMENTS AND CONCRETES AND CONSTRUCTION WITH CONCRETE HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE SUSTAINABILITY OF MOST OF OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE MUST WORK TOGETHER TO AFFECT CHANGE, TO BE SUCCESSFUL, DEVELOPING A FUTURE IN WHICH WE ALL WANT TO LIVE.

THE CITY OF HO HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LEADING ROLE IN THE MOVEMENT TOWARDS MORE SUSTAINABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE CITY OF HO COUNCIL HAS PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT EMPOWERS US TO BEGIN, UH, WALKING THE PAST TOWARDS MORE SUSTAINABLE CONCRETE.

AND JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONCRETE AND CEMENT.

CONCRETE, UH, PROBABLY IS THE MOST USABLE MATERIAL ON EARTH AFTER WATER, AND IT'S PRETTY SUSTAINABLE.

UH, ROMANS, UH, BRIDGES, UH, STILL STAND.

UH, CEMENT IS A BINDING AGENT AND CONCRETE IN, UH, DESIGN.

WE, WE USE NOW BEEN IN USE ONLY ABOUT 200 YEARS OR 200 YEARS.

PORTLAND AGO PORTLAND CEMENT WAS INVENTED AND CEMENT INDUSTRY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ABOUT 8% OF CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSION.

CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS, UH, FROM CEMENT PRODUCTION INCREASED LAST DECADE, UH, 20, ABOUT 24%, AND CONTINUES, UH, INCREASING BECAUSE POPULATION GROWS, DEVELOPMENT GROWS, AND OF COURSE, CLIMATE CHANGE.

SCIENTISTS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR DECADES AND LAST DECADE, ESPECIALLY, UH, GOVERNMENT AND, UH, NATIONS, UM, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE OF WORK TOWARDS CLIMATE CHANGE MITIGATION.

AND AS YOU KNOW, SEPTEMBER COT 2021, UH, AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL ACCEPTED ADOPTED AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN, WHICH SETS A GOAL REACHING NET ZERO COMMUNITY WIDE GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, EMISSION BY 2040.

ALSO, IT WAS STATED THAT CLIMATE EMERGENCY REPRESENTS AN, AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THE CITY OF WESTERN, THE NATION AND THE PLANET.

AND IT'S VERY TRUE.

AND OF COURSE, UH, BACK THEN, UH, JUST, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OFFICE OF THE CITY ENGINEER.

OUR ENGINEERS REVIEW, UH, AND APPROVE CONCRETE MIXES, DESIGN FOR CITY OF WASTE PROJECT.

SO, UH, WE IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO THINK WHAT WE CAN DO.

HOWEVER, BACK THEN, UH, IT WASN'T DIRECT CONNECTION.

THIS CONCRETE.

ALSO, UH, THAT YEAR, WE LEARN ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATION, AND WE LEARN ABOUT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, SUCH CITY OF PORTLAND, WHAT THEY DO ABOUT THEIR PAST TO, UH, CARBON NEUTRAL, UH, CONCRETE.

UH, THEY STARTED BACK, I BELIEVE, 2018.

SO THE PASS IS LAID OUT ALREADY.

WAS TEXAS READY THEN? I DON'T THINK SO.

HOWEVER, IN 2022, SEPTEMBER 15, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED STATEMENT BY CLEAN ACTIONS AND, UH, WITH NET ZERO EMISSIONS GOAL BY 2050 AND 50 52 REDUCTION BY 2030, ALSO, THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

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ISSUED A POLICY STATEMENT THAT US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WILL LAUNCH A BIKE LANE INITIATIVE THAT WILL ASSESS AND ADDRESS THE EM EMBODIED CARBON EMISSIONS THAT COME FROM ENGINEERING, DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, PROCUREMENT, MAINTENANCE AND DISPOSAL OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATION.

IT'S, UM, UH, BASICALLY DOCUMENT TRANSPARENT DOCUMENT THAT REPORT USE, UM, REPORTS USAGE, UH, AND COMMUNICATE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UH, OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.

SO BASICALLY, STANDARDIZED REPORT, STANDARDIZED REPORTING WOULD HELP INDUSTRY TO CONFIDENTLY MOVE FORWARD IN INVESTING IN PRODUCTION OF CLEAN, IN RELIABLE MATERIALS.

AND JUST TO SIMPLIFY, UH, WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATIONS, UH, ARE, IT'S BASICALLY LIKE ON FOOD LABEL NUTRIENTS PACKS, AND PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

IT'S PROVIDE IMPACT IN, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, KILOGRAM CO2 EQUIVALENT TOTAL, UH, 345, UM, UH, KILOGRAM FOR, UH, CUBIC METER.

AND, UH, WHILE WORKING WITH CONCRETE, CONCRETE INDUSTRY EXPERT THAT THEY LIKE C UH, UNITS AND METRICS SYSTEM, BECAUSE APPARENT, I MEAN, IT'S A, NOT ONLY A NATIONAL EFFORT, IT'S INTERNATIONAL, UH, EFFORT.

AND OF COURSE, UH, APRIL 20TH, 2023, UH, CITY OF FOING PASSED COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS THAT DIRECTED US TO PROVIDE CONCRETE TRACKINGS THAT IDENTIFIES HOW MUCH CONCRETE IS USED AND ITS IMPACT REQUIRED TO USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATION TO INFLUENCE AND ENCOURAGE MORE SUSTAINABLE CONCRETE PRODUCTS AND STRATEGY TO REVIEW, PILOT AND APPROVE ALTERNATIVE MORE SUSTAINABLE CONCRETE MIXES, AND ESTABLISH SPECIFICATION AND DESIGNS THAT ALLOW MEETINGS THE NEEDS FOR LOW EMBODIED CORE, UH, EMBODIED CARBON AND PROVIDE ANNUAL REPORTS TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

AND WE JUMPED TO ACTIONS.

WE, UH, OUR ENGINEERS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT BEFORE, BUT WE, UM, STARTED TO LEARN, UM, COMMUNICATED AND ATTENDED CONFERENCES I LEARN ABOUT NOWADAYS.

UM, ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATION STAGE.

WE ATTENDED AMERICAN CONCRETE INSTITUTE CONFERENCE, UM, LAST SPRING.

UH, AND WE, UH, ALL PRESENTATION.

WE REACHED OUT TO NATIONAL READY MIXED CONCRETE ASSOCIATION.

WE LEARN WHAT IT TAKES TO PRODUCE ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATION.

WE ALSO WORKED WITH TACA, TEXAS AGGREGATES AND CONCRETE ASSOCIATION.

WE ATTENDED THE WORKSHOP, UH, TO, UM, UM, BASICALLY ADVERTISE OR TO, UM, SHARE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, PRODUCT DECLARATION WITH OUR CONCRETE PRODUCERS.

AND WE ALSO WORKED WITH CONCRETE PRODUCERS AND IN INTERNAL CITY STAKEHOLDERS.

UH, FROM APRIL OF LAST YEAR TO JULY, WE, WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH, UH, WITH DIFFERENT DIVISIONS DEPARTMENT, UM, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO, UH, DEPARTMENTS WHO HAS, UM, OPERATIONS CREW, UM, LOAN ABOUT THEIR USAGE OF CONCRETE.

UM, AND WE PREPARED THE DRAFT, WHICH WE, UH, DISTRIBUTED FOR REVIEW.

UM, AMONG THOSE WE MET WITH, UH, WE TOOK WITH AUS ENERGY, UM, AUSTRIAN WATER WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT, UM, CCO, UM, AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

AND, UH, BY JULY 7TH, WES, WE SOLICITED COMMENTS AND WE'LL ADDRESSING THOSE COMMENTS VIA, UH, SOME IN WRITING, SOME JUST VIA EMAILS.

AND, UH, BASICALLY IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, WE PASSED IT ON TO THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT EXECUTIVE TEAM.

UH, AND AFTER WE, UH, ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS, WE PASSED IT ON TO THE A CM ROBERT GOOD OFFICE FOR HIS REVIEW, AND I PASS IT TO HIM.

HI, UH, MY NAME'S ED POPIT.

UM, I'M GONNA JUST CONTINUE ON FROM THIS POINT.

UM, UH, AND, UH, PARDON US IF, IF ANY OF THIS IS, IS, UH, TO REMEDIAL OR REVIEW FOR YOU.

WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE SUSTAINABILITY, UM, KNOWLEDGE.

UH, BUT WE INTEND TO ESTABLISH THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF CONCRETE BASED ON ITS GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL VIA THE GREENHOUSE GASES, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY, AND PRIMARILY THE CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT.

UM, THAT'S OTHER, OTHER FACTORS CAN BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT O OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, THE CARBON IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD ASPECTS, AND IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MEASURED PRETTY, UH, READILY AS WELL.

SO, UM, CONCRETE IS MADE UP, UH, ANGELA ALREADY SAID IS MADE UP

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OF CEMENT AND AGGREGATES.

THE CEMENT BINDER IS THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL POINT, UH, PART OF THE MIXTURE IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY AND IMPACT TO THE SUSTAINABILITY.

UM, THE, UH, MANUFACTURER OF THE BINDER IS ENERGY INTENSIVE.

AND, UM, IT DEFINITELY HAS A, A HUGE IMPACT.

UM, AND WHILE, UH, CEMENT, UH, IS AN ENERGY INTENSIVE PRODUCT, CONCRETE IN, IN ITSELF IS ONE OF THE MOST, UH, EFFICIENT BUILDING MATERIALS AND IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY SUSTAINABLE BY ITSELF.

IT'S JUST THE SHEER VOLUME OF CONCRETE THAT'S USED THAT, THAT RAISES IT TO A HIGH LEVEL OF CONCERN FOR ALL OF US.

SO OBVIOUSLY WITH A GREAT VOLUME USED, ANY MOVEMENT WE CAN MAKE IN THAT IS GONNA ALSO BE MULTIPLIED BY THAT VOLUME AND BE, UH, BENEFICIAL AND WILL ADD UP IN, WE HOPE, THE NEGATIVE DIRECTION AS OPPOSED TO THE POSITIVE DIRECTION IN THE FUTURE.

SO WE INTEND TO MAKE AS MUCH DIFFERENCE AS WE CAN, FIGURING THAT OUT SO THAT THE VOLUME OF CONCRETE WE CONTINUE TO USE AS A, AS A BUILDING MATERIAL, UM, UH, HAS LESS AND LESS IMPACT IN THE FUTURE.

UM, HERE WE SHOW, UM, HOW, WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION WE'RE GATHERING PRIMARILY, AND A AND B ARE THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THE IN-HOUSE PROJECTS, AND THAT'S THE BULK OF THE CEMENT USE.

UH, THERE'S SOME LESSER USES, C AND D, WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON GATHERING THOSE, BUT THEY ARE MUCH LESS THAN, UH, A AND B AS COMPONENTS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GATHERING RIGHT NOW, IS THE CEMENT USAGE IN THE TOTAL CONCRETE BEING PRODUCED.

UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GATHERING THAT UP FROM EVERYONE USING, UM, MAJOR QUANTITIES OF, OF CONCRETE, UH, AND REPORTING THAT BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER SO THAT IT CAN BE REPORTED TO YOU AND COUNCIL, UH, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP TABS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT'S BEING DONE NOW, SET A BASELINE AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT FUTURE LOOKS LIKE.

UM, WE'VE TRIED TO DEVELOP DATA SOURCES AND CAPTURE POINTS THAT ARE RELIABLE AND AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS POSSIBLE.

'CAUSE WE FOUND THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO DO THIS.

AND THE MORE PEOPLE YOU INVOLVE, THE MORE COMPLICATED IT GETS, LIKE GOING TO ALL THE PROJECT MANAGERS AND, AND, AND INDIVIDUAL PROJECT REPRESENTATIVES.

THERE MIGHT BE HUNDREDS OF THOSE AS OPPOSED TO 12 OR 13 PRODUCERS AND, UH, A LIMITED NUMBER OF FOLKS PRODUCING IT WITH VOLUMETRIC TRUCKS OUT THERE ON JOBS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS AS, AS CONTAINED AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN GET RELIABLE DATA, UM, THAT, UM, IS EASY ENOUGH TO GATHER, TO BE USEFUL, AND TO, UH, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO NOT BE TOO PAINFUL TO COLLECT.

UM, AND I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REPORTING THAT ANNUALLY.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE ASKS OF THE RESOLUTION.

SO, UM, HERE WE'VE GOT A CHART OF DATA WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED.

WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING DATA FOR ABOUT A YEAR, AND, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT ACTUALLY.

AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO OUR CONCRETE PRODUCERS FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.

UM, THIS SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OF CO2 EQUIVALENT CREATED, OR CO2 CREATED, UM, BY THE CONCRETE PRODUCED FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

THIS IS BY QUARTER AND GIVES YOU AN ANNUAL TOTAL THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

SO NEARLY, UH, HALF MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF CONCRETE HAVE BEEN PRODUCED, UM, FOR, UH, AND, UM, THAT'S BASED ON ABOUT 193 MILLION POUNDS OF CEMENT.

AND THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ROUGHLY 174 THOU, UH, 174 MILLION POUNDS OF CO2 OR, UM, UH, 78,700 MILLION METRIC TONS TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.

SO THAT'S OUR BASELINE TO BEGIN TO SAY, HERE'S HOW MUCH CONCRETE WE'RE USING AS A MAJOR CITY.

WE'RE USING A LOT OF CONCRETE.

UH, WE WE'RE GATHERING THAT TO SEE, UH, CLEARLY HOW MUCH WE'RE USING AND IN THE FUTURE CONTINUE TO REPORT ON THAT.

BUT HOPEFULLY OUR APPROXIMATE CARBON DIOXIDE CREATED BY THE CONCRETE, WE HOPE WILL BE, UH, REDUCED SO THAT WE CAN SAY, WELL, EVEN IF WE'RE STILL GONNA PRODUCE 173 MILLION, UM, POUNDS OF, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, HALF MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF CONCRETE, MAYBE INSTEAD WE CAN, UH, REDUCE THAT.

ITS, ITS IMPACT SIGNIFICANTLY BY SPECIFICATION CHANGES AND MATERIAL CHANGES, AGGREGATE CHANGES, UM, AND THAT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON.

THIS, UH, JUST SHOWS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRODUCT STAGE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE LIFECYCLE YET.

UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO, TO DO THE LONGER ANALYSIS AND THE MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIFECYCLE OF MATERIALS.

THAT IS VERY DESIRABLE BECAUSE THEN YOU GET A MORE COMPLETE PICTURE.

BUT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND LABOR INTENSIVE AND,

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AND PROJECT INTENSIVE TO GATHER DATA ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PHASE.

THE CURRENT EMPHASIS IS ON THE PRODUCT STAGE.

THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE US STANDARD AT THIS TIME.

UM, WE, WE HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE WILL BE CONSIDERING THE FULL LIFE CYCLE.

UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE MORE PREVALENT IN, IN EUROPE.

BUT, UH, FOR NOW WE WE'RE, WE'RE CONCENTRATING ON, ON THE, UH, PRODUCT STAGE, WHICH IS WHERE WE CAN GET OUR, OUR HANDS REALLY AROUND THAT AND DO A GOOD JOB.

SO THAT'S THE PRODUCT STAGE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE LATER STAGES OF, OF THE, UM, UH, USE STAGES COULD BE QUITE IMPORTANT, BUT ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND.

AND AS ANGELA POINTED OUT, THERE'S, UM, STANDARDIZATION OF THESE EPDS.

SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATION SAYS THERE'S RULES ABOUT HOW TO DO EVERYTHING, WHICH I'M SURE Y'ALL UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND IT PUTS, IT PUTS US IN A POSITION OF HAVING VALIDATED INFORMATION THAT WE CAN TRUST.

WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE DOING THINGS 50 DIFFERENT WAYS.

SO WHEN WE GET THIS KIND OF EPD INFORMATION FROM DIFFERENT FOLKS, WE KNOW WE CAN TRUST IT AND COMPARE IT FOR THE SAME MATERIALS ANYWAY.

WE CAN COMPARE IT, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL ONE TO MATERIAL TWO AND TO MATERIAL THREE.

AND FOR THIS EXAMPLE, IT, IT SHOWS, JUST LIKE ANGELA'S PREVIOUS EXAMPLE, THERE'S 345 KILOGRAMS OF CO2 EQUIVALENT BEING CR PRODUCED FOR EVERY CUBIC METER OF CONCRETE.

UM, AND THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WE WANT TO GET FROM, WE'RE ASKING FOR ALL OF THE VENDORS THAT ARE PROVIDING CONCRETE TO US TO, TO GIVE US.

SO, UM, IN MOVING FORWARD, UH, WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH ALL THE LOCAL CONCRETE PRODUCERS, UH, OVER ABOUT, ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS.

UM, HERE'S THE TIMELINE OF SOME OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS.

UM, THIS HAS BEEN TO GATHER CONCRETE USAGE BASELINE, PREPARE THEM FOR THE FUTURE IMPACTS OF EPDS, AND SET THE PATH FOR MORE SUSTAINABLE PURCHASING OF CONCRETE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THE GSA AND THE FEDERAL, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE STARTED WRESTLING WITH THIS.

HOW DO WE SET TARGETS FOR, UM, PURCHASING OR NOT PURCHASING CONCRETE THAT IS, IS OR ISN'T SUSTAINABLE? AND THEY'VE TAKEN KIND OF AN APPROACH OF, UH, SO MUCH ABOVE INDUSTRY AVERAGE IS GOOD, SO MUCH ABOVE INDUSTRY AVERAGE ABOVE THAT IS FAIR.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT IS NOT DESIRABLE.

AND SO WE, WE INTEND TO TRY TO, UH, TO DO THAT BECAUSE FOLKS ARE KINDA, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS AN IMPACT TO PURCHASING OR NOT PURCHASING, UH, MATERIALS THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE OR NOT SUSTAINABLE.

AND THAT WE, WE WILL BE, UH, ROLLING THAT OUT AS WE CAN, TRYING TO BE AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE WITH EVERYBODY AND UPFRONT WITH EVERYBODY.

UH, OUR TARGET IS TO REQUIRE THE, THE EPDS IN 2025 FROM ALL OF OUR PRODUCERS.

UH, AND WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE CONCRETE INDUSTRY GROUPS AND CONSULTANTS THAT CAN FACILITATE THE PRODUCTION OF, UH, VALID PRODUCTS, SPECIFIC EPDS.

UM, WE'VE PRESENTED TO THE, UH, THE, THE CITY'S LOW EMBODIED CARBON CONCRETE INITIATIVE, UH, IN A LETTER TO THE CONCRETE PRODUCERS.

UH, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF, OF, UH, SOME OF THE NARRATIVE FROM THAT LETTER.

UM, WE INTEND TO PARTNER WITH INDUSTRY, UH, AND, UM, TEXAS AGGREGATES AND CONCRETE ASSOCIATION, UH, HAS, UH, THE LOCAL GROUPS AS PART OF AS MEMBERS.

AND THEY'RE GONNA HELP US, UH, GET THE MESSAGE OUT AND FOR US TO WORK WITH THEM TO, TO DO THINGS THAT CAN, THAT, THAT THEY CAN ASSURE US THAT THE INDUSTRY'S READY FOR AND CAN DO, AND HELP THEM GET READY TO DO WHAT WE NEED THEM TO DO.

WE ALSO, UH, ARE SHOWING THEM HERE AN AFFORDABLE AND EASY WAY TO GENERATE VALIDATED EPDS, UH, THROUGH A CONCRETE INDUSTRY CONSULTANT CALLED CLIMATE EARTH.

THEY'VE REALLY TAKEN THE CONCRETE INDUSTRY, UM, BY THE BULL, BY THE HORNS, AND THEY'VE CREATED, UH, A MECHANISM THAT'S VERY AFFORDABLE AND, UM, WILL GENERATE VALIDATED, UH, EPDS THAT THE INDUSTRY AND, UH, AND WE CAN TRUST.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT SPECIFICATIONS.

THAT'S SOME, THAT'S THE WAY WE HAVE A LOT OF IMPACT ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO, HOW THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MATERIALS, AND WHAT THEY GIVE US.

UM, WE'VE ALWAYS FOLLOWED TEXT DOT, UH, TO A VERY HIGH DEGREE, BUT TEXT DOT REALLY HASN'T BEEN LEADING HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF, OF CONCRETE.

UH, AND THE STATE OF TEXAS ARE KIND OF HOLDING BACK A BIT ON, ON, UH, SUSTAINABLE CONCRETE.

SO TO, TO SUCCEED.

I THINK WE, WE HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF THE TEXAS CURVE.

UM, AND SO AUSTIN'S GONNA KIND OF GET OURSELVES OUT THERE AND, AND TAKE A LEAD HERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT

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HOW WE CAN DO THIS EVEN BEFORE TDOT AND THE STATE OF TEXAS, UH, JUMP ALL OVER THIS.

UM, IT'S JUST, UH, WE CAN'T DELAY ANYMORE.

WE, WE REALLY HAVE TO GET OUT THERE.

UM, SO THAT'S, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE FOR US, BUT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARY.

UM, SO, BUT ALL IN ALL FAIRNESS TO TECH DOT, WE DON'T WANNA, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BADMOUTH THEM.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE A FANTASTIC AGENCY.

THEY DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.

IT'S JUST IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE, UH, LEADING, UM, AS MUCH AS WE THINK, UH, WE NEED TO SEE.

SO, UM, TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PLAN TO, AND THE, AND THE RESOLUTION, THERE WERE ABOUT FIVE THINGS IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WE THOUGHT WERE REALLY CRITICAL FOR US TO PRODUCE.

SO OUR PLAN HAS, UH, ONE A, B, AND C, UH, TWO AND THREE.

UH, THEY'RE THE, ALL OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WE, WE NEED TO RESPOND TO.

UH, PART OF IT WAS TO, OF COURSE, UM, GET A BASELINE OF HOW MUCH CONCRETE WE'RE USING, UM, SET A PATH FOR EPDS, UM, AND THEN ALSO TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD ENTERTAIN SUSTAINABLE CONCRETE DESIGNS AND, UM, AND, UH, OFFER, UH, FROM, FROM THE PRODUCERS TO SAY, HERE'S HOW WE CAN DO IT.

'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA OFFER SOME THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF, AND WE WANT TO BE READY TO EVALUATE THOSE AND ACCEPT THOSE AS, UM, AN, AS A USABLE PRODUCT.

UM, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T FIGURE IT OUT FIRST.

UM, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO LOOK AT, UH, PURCHASING AND CONTRACTING DOCUMENTS TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HOW DO WE DO THIS FAIRLY? HOW DO WE DO THIS LEGALLY? HOW DO WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATELY SO THAT NOBODY'S GETTING, UH, UNFAIRLY, UH, HIT FOR THIS, UH, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND, UM, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA SUMMARIZE WHAT'S, WHAT'S PROGRESS, UH, AGAINST THIS, HOW MUCH CONCRETE'S BEING USED, HOW MUCH, UM, UH, CARBON DIOXIDE DO WE THINK WE'RE CREATING BASED ON THE USE OF CONCRETE? AND WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE THINK THIS PLAN IS, IS, IS FAIR TO EVERYBODY TO USE IT, AND WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT, UH, SINGLING OUT ANY PARTICULAR USE THAT CAN BE USED FOR ALL THE CONCRETE PRODUCED, WHETHER IT'S DONE FOR FLAT WORK OR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.

UM, IT'S, IT'S LAYING THE FOUNDATION FOR CONCRETES TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE, UM, ALL CONCRETE TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE IN THE FUTURE, BOSTON.

SO WITH THAT, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT ALL WE'VE GOT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING US COME TALK TO YOU.

AND WE HOPE THAT, UM, THAT OUR EFFORTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH HOW YOU SEE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD DO.

THANK YOU.

WELL, THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR, YOUR TIME AND THE WORK THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THIS.

UM, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THERE.

UM, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAD KIND OF THE EMISSIONS PER AMOUNT OF CONCRETE, HOW MUCH, UH, THE CARBON DIOXIDE BEING CREATED? THIS ONE? YEAH.

UM, NO, I THINK YOU HAD SOME, UM, THAT HAD KIND OF LIKE PER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS PER SQUARE METER OR CUBIC METER, OR DID YOU HAVE THAT MOVE FORWARD FACT IN THERE SOMEWHERE? I GUESS I'M, I, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, KIND OF GOAL IN THE, THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN AND JUST TRYING TO, UM, SEE HOW THAT COMPARES, UM, THAT THE EPD SNIPPET SHOWED 345 KILOGRAMS PER CUBIC METER.

WERE YOU THIS ONE, WERE YOU, OKAY, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT FOR YEAH, THANK YOU.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT A LOT OF VENDORS ARE TRYING TO GET DOWN TO 370 OR 80 POUNDS AS, AS KIND OF AN OUTSIDE FIGURE.

AND THAT ANYBODY WHO'S GETTING TO THE LOW 300 IS, IS DOING PRETTY WELL AT THIS POINT.

BUT PCA, THE PORTLAND CEMENT ASSOCIATION AND OTHER INDUSTRY GROUPS ARE TRYING TO LEAD TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GET SUB 200 NUMBERS OR SUB 300 NUMBERS TO WHERE THE GOALS WILL START TO BE, LOOK MORE LIKE 280 POUNDS OR KILOGRAMS, 250 POUNDS, OR KILOGRAMS, EXCUSE ME.

AND, AND THAT WE'LL JUST CONTINUE WORKING THAT DOWN.

AND IT MAY BE THAT THERE'S NEVER A, IT MAY NEVER BE A POINT AT WHICH WE'RE ZERO.

WE MAY HAVE TO RELY ON OFFSETS AND, AND, AND CARBON CREDITS AND, AND OTHER, OTHER WAYS OF, UM, SAYING IN TOTAL CONCRETE IS A NET ZERO OR POSSIBLY SOMEDAY WONDERFULLY NEGATIVE.

BUT FOR NOW, ARE, WE'RE GONNA BE CARVING AWAY AT THAT

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PER PER METER CUBIC METER, UH, FIGURE.

OKAY.

I WANNA TURN IT OVER.

I GUESS ONE QUESTION FIRST THOUGH, IT LOOKS, SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS JUST, UM, AT THE PHASE OF GETTING ACCURATE NUMBERS FROM YOUR PRODUCERS ON WHAT THE CARBON IMPACT IS AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF USING ANY SORT OF LOW CARBON CONCRETE.

AM I, AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY? WE'RE ACTUALLY TESTING SOME THINGS AND WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF INDUSTRY IN THAT, LIKE THE PORTLAND CEMENT ASSOCIATION HAS A ROADMAP FOR CARBON NEUTRAL OR CARBON NEUTRALITY.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING AS FAST AS WE CAN TOWARDS, UM, ENHANCEMENTS TO THE CONCRETE WE'RE DOING.

BUT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT THIS MINUTE, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU, WE'RE NOT DOING VERY MUCH RIGHT THIS MINUTE, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HAD A PILOT PROJECT TO DO THE CARBON INJECTED CONCRETE FOR A SIDEWALK PROJECT.

AND SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS, BUT THEY'RE MORE IN THE PILOT STAGE.

IT'S NOT ROLLED OUT FOR EVERY DAY REGULAR USE YET.

BUT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING AS AGGRESSIVELY ON THIS AS WE CAN.

UM, BUT I HAVE TO AGREE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT FAR ALONG THAT JOURNEY OF DOING SOMETHING TODAY THAT IS, IS, UM, MAKING A HUGE IMPACT YET.

BUT WE WILL BE SEEING.

YEAH.

AND IF I MAY THAT, UM, SO BASICALLY THAT'S WHY WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT.

WHAT'S SO FAR, OFFICE OF THE CITY ENGINEERS IS JUST ONE DIVISION IN TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS ALSO.

WE ARE, UM, TRYING TO DO AND PARTNER WITH EVERYONE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING EXTRA CURRICULUM, RIGHT? THERE IS NO PERFORMANCE MEASURE YET.

THERE IS NOTHING.

AND, UH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE, UH, CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN, WE ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH HOW MUCH CONCRETE, UH, WE USE.

SO THAT'S WHAT, UH, THAT THE, THE TABLE WAS.

IT'S ABOUT OVERALL 12 PRODUCERS.

HOPEFULLY IT'S TAKING CARE OF CAP AND, UH, IN HOUSE WORK, BUT ALSO, UH, TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS.

SO STREET AND BREACH OPERATIONS, WE ARE STILL MISSING AUSTRIAN WATER OPERATION.

WE ARE STILL MISSING OPERATIONS AND, UH, ALL OPERATIONS THAT USE CONCRETE.

SO IT STILL HAS TO BE DEVELOPED.

ALSO, WE NEED HELP DOING, UH, TO REVIEW THOSE PROCUREMENT DOCUMENTS, CCO DOCUMENTS.

SO IT'LL TAKE YEARS, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW, JUST SMALL STEPS THIS YEAR, OFFICER OF THE CITY ENGINEER, EDUCATING CONCRETE PRODUCERS, WE ARE SENDING LETTER, WE ACTUALLY PARTNERING WITH CITY LEGAL.

SO CITY LEGAL REVIEWS THE LETTER.

SO WE JUST FOLLOWING AND, UH, WE SENT AWAY FROM 12 PRODUCERS, ONLY THREE REPLIED IT'S VOLUNTARY SURVEY.

IT WAS TWO POSITIVE AND ONE NEUTRAL.

SO WE DIDN'T GET ANY STRONG PUSHBACK YET.

SO, AND WE JUST, UH, TRYING TO DO AND MOVE FORWARD.

AND NOW MANDATORY REQUEST WOULD BE OCTOBER 1ST, 2025.

WE WOULD, UH, NEED TO HAVE A PD WE WILL BE ASKING.

AND, UH, IT'S MORE LIKE, UH, MORE EDUCATION AND, UH, WORKING WITH INDUSTRY BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, WE CANNOT JUST POLICE INDUSTRY AND TELL WE ARE NOT GONNA WORK WITH YOU.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, RIGHT? WE NEED TO HAVE PROJECT DONE.

WE NEED TO, UH, HAVE CAP, UM, COMPLETED.

SO IT'S MORE LIKE MOVING SLOWLY WITH INDUSTRY, BUT DOING RIGHT THING.

AND OF COURSE, POLICY.

UH, AS WE, AS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, UH, OUR POLICY WOULD HELP US.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO HELP WITH THAT MOVEMENT.

BECAUSE NOW WE ARE JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING SLOWLY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S INCREMENTAL WINS, SMALL STEPS WOULD GO LONG WAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WELL, I HAVE LIKE THREE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO OTHER PEOPLE.

UH, WHO HAS ONE, ANNA, THANKS.

MAYBE WE HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS.

KIVA, UM, I'D LIKE TO ECHO YOUR COMMENTS.

KIVA, THAT ED AND ANGELA, THIS IS FANTASTIC WORK AND, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE IT.

SO KUDOS FOR, FOR PULLING THIS TOGETHER.

IT'S, IT SOUNDS, UM, REALLY IMPRESSIVE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE, YOU'VE STARTED THE OUTREACH TO PRO PRODUCERS, BUT ED, AS YOU WERE SAYING, RIGHT, THERE'S TWO PATHWAYS TO REDUCE CARBON AND IN EMBODIED CEMENT, RIGHT? ONE IS THE CALCINATION STAGE, SO LIKE THE CHEMISTRY, AND THEN THE OTHER IS, IS THE ENERGY, RIGHT? AND SO THAT MEANS THAT OUR LOCAL PRODUCERS WOULD HAVE TO EITHER BE SWITCHING TO SOME TYPE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY, OR THEY'D HAVE TO SWITCH THEIR CHEMICAL PROCESSES.

DO YOU HAVE A HANDLE? LIKE DO YOU, DO WE KNOW AT ALL IF ANY OF THESE THINGS HAVE STARTED BY LIKE, ARE IN PROCESS FROM THE FIRMS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PURCHASING FROM? SOME OF THE FOLKS ARE MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN OTHERS.

AND SO WE THINK THAT THE ONES WE'VE HEARD FROM ARE ALREADY DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS.

AND I, I BELIEVE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A LOT OF,

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A LOT OF POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S KIND OF CHALLENGING FOR US TOO, IS WE'VE GOTTA FIND A WAY TO ALLOW A LOT OF PEOPLE TO DO THINGS A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

BECAUSE WITH 12 DIFFERENT PRODUCERS, THEY'VE GOT DIFFERENT PLANT SETUPS.

UH, SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE, UM, ABLE TO JUST JUMP ON.

GREAT SUGGESTION FOR, LIKE YOU SAID, ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES.

OTHERS ARE GONNA BE MORE RELUCTANT TO DO THAT, AND THEY MAY HAVE TO FIND A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UH, PATH FORWARD.

UM, WE THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A MIX OF FIXES IS KIND OF WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

WE CALL, WE CALL IT THAT IN, IN THE, IN THE OPERATIONS, UM, OF MAINTENANCE.

IT'S A MIX OF FIXES.

'CAUSE THERE'S NO ONE SILVER BULLET THAT THAT DOES IT.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE, UM, ABLE TO EVALUATE DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS THAT FOLKS ARE GONNA BRING TO US AND LET THEM DO DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND YOU'VE POINTED OUT A REALLY, AN OBVIOUS OR A GOOD THING.

NO, IT'S NOT OBVIOUS.

YOU'VE POINTED OUT A REALLY GOOD THING THAT SOME OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO, TO DO A, A DIFFERENT, UM, COMPONENT MIXTURE.

AND OTHERS ARE GONNA FI HAVE TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO BE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT OR MAYBE MORE EFFICIENT ABOUT WHERE THEY GET THEIR MATERIALS FROM SO THAT TRANSPORTATION ASPECT DOESN'T ADD UP.

I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE VARIOUS WAYS THAT EACH OF THEM IS GONNA HAVE TO REPORT TO US WITH THE EPD SAYING VALIDATED TO SAY, YES, WE DID THIS, THIS, AND THIS, AND MAYBE VENDOR B MIGHT HAVE DONE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT BROUGHT THEM IN INTO COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

BUT IT, IT'S A CHALLENGE.

UM, CONCRETE'S A KIND OF A COMPLEX MATERIAL.

IT'S GOT A LOT OF COMPONENTS, THERE'S A LOT TO IT.

AND YOU DID POINT OUT, UM, TWO REALLY BIG WAYS THAT DIFFERENT, UM, UH, FOLKS MIGHT, UH, WORK ON BEING BETTER.

UM, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GONNA WORK ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

UH, BUT SOME MAY, UM, TACKLE SOME THINGS FIRST WORKING TOWARDS MORE SUSTAINABLE CONCRETE OVER TIME.

THANKS.

IF I COULD JUST FOLLOW UP, WHAT DOES THE PATHWAY LOOK LIKE FOR NEW PRODUCERS? SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVE CHEMISTRIES ARE COMING OUT OF SMALL FIRMS WHO LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE DOE RECENTLY PUT OUT A REPORT CONCERNED ABOUT HOW FAST SOME OF THESE MANUFACTURERS COULD SCALE.

UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE PATHWAY LOOK LIKE FOR A SMALL MANUFACTURER OF, YOU KNOW, SOME TRULY NET ZERO PROCESS LOOK LIKE TO COME IN AND WORK WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN? YEAH.

WELL, UM, WE HAVE THE APPROVAL PROCESS, WHICH IS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE PROPRIETARY PRODUCTS, OF COURSE, THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE FOR PURCHASING SOMETHING PROPRIETARY.

UM, WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT SURE WE HAVEN'T SEEN, SO WE NEED TO TEST IT.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET ON THAT FAST.

WE CAN BE MORE AGILE IN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THINGS AND ACCEPTING THEM, BUT BEING CONFIDENT THAT IT'S GIVING US THE PRODUCT WE NEED, THE STRENGTHS AND DURABILITY AND, AND, UH, LONGEVITY THAT WE NEED.

SO IT'S, IT'S, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS A REALLY GREAT QUESTION.

IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR US TO BE SMART ENOUGH INTERNALLY TO SAY, YES, WE CAN DO THESE VARIOUS THINGS OR ALLOW THESE VARIOUS THINGS TO BE USED OR DONE.

UM, THE CARBON CURE INJECTION.

THE CARBON INJECTION IS, IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE PRODUCER IN, IN AUSTIN RIGHT NOW THAT'S READY TO JUST TURN THAT LOOSE AND DO IT.

BUT EVEN THAT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE TO TEST IT, MAKE SURE IT WORKS THE WAY IT AS ADVERTISED.

AND, UM, THE OTHER VENDORS AREN'T READY TO DO THAT TECHNOLOGY.

THEY, THEY MAY BE READY TO TRY SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT, NOT THAT ONE.

AND THAT IS JUST AN EX ONE EXAMPLE OF A PROPRIETARY PROCESS THAT, THAT SOME FOLKS ARE GONNA TRY AND MAYBE A FEW OF THEM WILL ADOPT IT AND WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, ENTERTAIN OTHER OPTIONS FROM OTHER VENDORS.

AND ALSO JUST, WE ARE ENTERING UNKNOWN TERRITORY, RIGHT? WE'VE NEVER BEEN HERE THERE BEFORE.

UH, THE PAST IS WELL ESTABLISHED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN, UH, ALL COUNTRIES, OTHER COUNTRIES IN EUROPE ESPECIALLY, THEY DOING IT.

BUT WE ARE HAVE OUR OWN CONDITIONS, UH, IN TEXAS, IN UH, AUSTIN AND GREAT AUSTIN AREA.

SO WE ARE STILL TO SEE WHAT CHALLENGES IT'LL BRING, RIGHT? AND MAYBE HERE FROM NOW, WE'LL LEARN SOMETHING MORE.

NOW WE ARE TAKING A OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO EDUCATE PRODUCERS, KEEPING CONTINUOUS COMMUNICATION WITH THEM, UM, JUST PROVIDING RESOURCES, UH, CONNECTING BRIDGES, WE CONNECTING THEM, UH, WITH, UH, CLIMATE USE WITH, UM, UH, NATIONAL CONCRETE READIES MIXED ASSOCIATION.

JUST TO EVOKE ON APDS.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE ALREADY HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

WHAT ABOUT SMALL? SO HOW WE THINK ABOUT IT, IT MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT MAYBE WE WILL SET SOME VOLUME CONCRETE PRODUCTIONS THAT WOULD BE SORT OF EXEMPT FROM A PT.

IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

I DON'T KNOW

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IF WE WILL DO IT OR NOT, BUT IT'S ONE OF, UM, PROPOSED SOLUTION.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING, WHEN WE WILL BE, I MEAN, A YEAR FROM NOW, WE PROBABLY WILL KNOW MORE, ACTUALLY, MAYBE IN FEW MONTHS WE'LL KNOW MORE.

BUT WHEN WE THERE, THEN WE MAY EVALUATE OR MAYBE ADJUST.

THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PLAN IS NOT A KIND OF SOLID DOCUMENT.

IT'S, UM, UH, RATHER PLAN TO REVISIT REVISE BASED ON KNOWLEDGE WE LEARN BASED ON ADVANCEMENT WE MADE.

UM, SO THAT'S .

I CAN I JUST GET CLARIFICATION.

I THINK WHAT ANNA WAS SUGGESTING ON THE SMALL PRODUCERS WAS NOT EXEMPTION, BUT HOW TO, HOW THE SMALL PRODUCERS THAT ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND COULD BE INCORPORATED IN A, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY? YEAH, NO, NO.

THANKS TY.

YEAH, THAT WAS IT.

JUST, JUST TO SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE, I THINK WE'RE SEEING NEWS COMING OUT THAT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SMALL PRODUCERS WHO MIGHT BE LOCATED IN, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER THAT HAVE COME UP WITH SOME NEW PROCESS TO, YOU KNOW, DECARBONIZE REDUCE CARBON EMISSIONS, YOU KNOW, STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO BE LOCATED IN AUSTIN.

MM-HMM.

.

AND SO WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT TO SOME OF THESE FIRMS, SOME OF WHOM MIGHT NOT EVEN BE NECESSARILY COMMERCIAL, BUT WHO WERE, YOU KNOW, GETTING A STN 'EM CERTIFICATION ALREADY AND, AND THINGS LIKE THIS.

LIKE HOW IS THERE A PROCESS BY WHICH WE CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE TO LEARN MORE FASTER AND REALLY TAKE A LEADERSHIP POSITION? KABA? IS THAT CLEAR? YES, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

AND SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, THAT JUST MEANS WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE WHAT'S COMING AT US.

AND, AND SO THE OLD WAY OF DOING THINGS AND SPECIFYING MATERIALS WAS VERY PRESCRIPTIVE.

WE JUST HAD A RECIPE AND THE COOKBOOK AND WE SAID, DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, PUT THIS RANGE OF MATERIALS IN THIS RANGE OF THINGS.

AND IT WAS, IT WAS VERY SAFE BECAUSE WE WERE TELLING THEM, WE WERE GIVING THEM A RECIPE THAT WE KNEW WORKED.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE OLD WAY.

IF WE GO TO A MORE PER, UH, PERFORMANCE BASED AND WE START SAYING, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW TO DO THINGS SO MUCH, BUT WE'RE GONNA SAY IT'S GOTTA BE MEET CERTAIN CHARACTERISTICS, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTICS ONLY, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL YOU A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THE REST OF IT.

IT PUTS A LOT OF BURDEN ON US TO ASSURE YOU AND THE PUBLIC THAT WHAT THEY, THE SPECIAL RECIPE THEY CAME UP WITH IS ADEQUATE AND MEETING OUR NEEDS.

SO WE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THIS STRONG, THIS DURABLE, AND LAST THIS LONG, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT'S IN IT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT TO PUT IN IT OR WHAT NOT TO PUT IN IT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO ASSURE US THAT IT'S GOOD STUFF.

AND IT MEANS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT OVER SOME TIME AND SAY, OKAY, SURE ENOUGH, YOU GAVE US MATERIALS THAT, THAT MET OUR, THAT ARE MEETING OUR NEEDS AND WILL MEET OUR NEEDS IN THE FUTURE AND WE CAN RELY ON.

AND THAT, THAT PHILOSOPHICAL SHIFT IS A REAL CHALLENGE.

IT, IT PUTS A BURDEN ON ALL OF US, THEM AND US, TO TRACK HOW WELL DOES IT PERFORM? HOW DID THEY DO IT? IS IT WORKING? UM, SO YOU'RE ASKING VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.

IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY TRANSITION FOR ANY OF US, BUT WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO THAT AND BE THAT WAY, UH, AND BE ACCEPTING OF THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE LESS COMFORTABLE FOR US TO BE INNOVATIVE AND TO BE AGILE IN ACCEPTING NEW PROCESSES.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE VIGILANT THAT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING WHAT WE NEED AND WE'RE PROTECTING THE PUBLIC IN, IN WHAT'S BEING PRODUCED AND PROVIDED.

OKAY.

UH, HARRIS AND THEN, UH, MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION TOO? ANYWAY, HARRIS, YOU CAN GO.

HEY, Y'ALL APPRECIATE THE, I GOTTA LEAD IN HERE.

APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

UM, SO Y'ALL MENTIONED THAT TEX.AS UH, IS NOT EXACTLY LEADING THE WAY ON THIS, TO PUT IT POLITELY, CERTAINLY NO SURPRISE TO ANYONE THAT LIVES IN AUSTIN.

UM, SO I HAD A QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE I 35 PROJECT, WHICH IS GONNA BE REALLY BIG.

SO IF TEXT DOT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, USING LOW CARBON CONCRETE FOR THIS GIANT PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS ALSO INVOLVED BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CAP AND STITCH, RIGHT? AS FAR AS I'M AWARE.

SO IS THAT GONNA LEAD TO LIKE A SITUATION WHERE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BUILDING IN AUSTIN, KNOWING TEXDOT, RIGHT, THEY'RE JUST GONNA USE THE HIGHEST CARBON POSSIBLE

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FOR, UH, CONCRETE.

AND UM, BUT THEN THE CITY OF AUSTIN WOULD THEN, WHEN WE ARE DOING THE CAP ANDIT PROJECT, WE WOULD THEN BE USING LOW CARBON CONCRETE FOR THE CAP AND STITCH.

HOW EXACTLY WOULD THAT, AND I KNOW OBVIOUSLY THIS IS ALL KIND OF HYPOTHETICAL RIGHT NOW, BUT HOW WOULD YOU SEE A SITUATION LIKE THAT WORKING AS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, TECH SET'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE STRUCTURAL, UH, PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

UM, WE'LL BE PAYING FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS OF IT AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS OF IT, BUT, UM, IT HAS, IT'LL HAVE TO MEET TECH STATS STANDARDS.

UM, AND I, I DON'T WANT TO CHARACTERIZE THEM AS BEING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.

'CAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY DO ASSURE THAT, THAT WE BUILD, THAT THEY BUILD HIGH QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR US, AND THEY DO LOOK SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, AT, AT VARIOUS COMPONENTS AND WHAT CAN BE RECYCLED REUSED.

UM, SO IT WOULD BE UNFAIR FOR, FOR, FOR ME TO LEAVE YOU WITH THE, THE THOUGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ALONG THESE LINES.

IT'S JUST THAT WE THINK WE CAN BE MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN THERE BEING, UM, JUST LIKE ANNA WAS POINTING OUT, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTING THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE FREQUENTLY OR IN HIGH VOLUME YET.

UH, THAT'S NOT THE TEXTILE WAY.

THEY, THEY TEST THINGS VERY RIGOROUSLY.

THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT TO ASSURE OVER SOME PERFORMANCE OVER TIME TO SEE THE PERFORMANCE OF THINGS.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST CAUTIOUS.

THEY'RE JUST VERY CAUTIOUS.

UM, YOU'RE, YOU'VE MADE A GOOD POINT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY'RE DOING IT IN MOSTLY IN TXDOT RIGHT OF WAY AND VERY LITTLE IN CITY OF BOSTON, RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THEY HAVE, UM, SUPREME AUTHORITY IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO DO THINGS THEIR WAY.

UM, WE CAN INFLUENCE THEM TO A DEGREE, BUT TDOT IS WORKING IN STATE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEY HAVE SUPREME, UH, JUDGMENT, UH, IN WHAT GOES THERE.

UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO OFFER ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THOSE LINES.

YOU MADE, YOU KNOW, YOUR POINTS ARE WHAT ARE GOOD? YEAH.

UM, I AGREE.

UH, JUST, UH, PRODUCERS, CONCRETE PRODUCERS THAT HERE AROUND AUSTIN, THEY NORMALLY IN AUSTIN AREA.

AND, UH, I ASSUME THAT MY ASSUMPTIONS THAT THEY PRODUCE CONCRETE AND THEY SUPPLY CONCRETES FOR CITY OF HOIST PROJECT, AND THE SAME PRODUCERS WOULD BE SUPPLYING, UH, FOR .

SO WOULD BE THE SAME PRODUCERS.

I'M MORE LIKE, I BELIEVE THERE ARE THE SAME PRODUCERS.

SO I THINK WE WOULD BENEFIT GREATLY IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN.

AND IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

IT'S, UH, GRADUAL PROGRESS.

SO AFTER WE COLLECT ALL ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATION FOR PARTICULAR CONCRETE MIXES, WE WILL ESTABLISH BASELINE AND BASELINE ESTABLISHMENT WILL BE SOMEWHERE IN 2026 BECAUSE WE NEED TO COLLECT DATA FIRST AND WE DON'T HAVE DATA.

SO WE NEED TO MOVE TO MAKE PROGRESS.

AND THEN WE WILL SET BASELINE FOR PARTICULAR CONCRETE MIXES, HOW MUCH CARBON DIOXIDE WE WILL ALLOW PARTICULAR, UH, MIX, RIGHT? AND THEN KEEPING THAT BASELINE AND MAYBE LOWERING, UH, EVERY FIVE YEARS.

I MEAN, I THINK FIVE YEARS IS THE PLAN, RIGHT? OR AT LEAST NOW.

UH, SO THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, THE PATH.

BUT WORKING TOGETHER, MOVING NOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WOULD HELP US GREATLY.

AND YES, WE HAVE ONLY ONE, UNFORTUNATELY PRODUCER, UH, IN AUS, UH, WHO USE CARBONE INJECTED CONCRETE, AND WE HAD PROJECT SIDEWALK.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE MORE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT WITH THAT CONCRETE, BUT IT'S NOT VERY COMPETITIVE AT THIS TIME.

I THINK THAT, THAT OUR ACTIONS ARE GOING TO INFLUENCE THINGS, JUST LIKE ANGELA WAS SAYING.

I MEAN, IF, IF TECH SAT'S BUYING MATERIALS FROM THESE PRODUCERS WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA BE INFLUENCING THEM.

AND SO I HOPE THAT THAT WILL START TO SHOW VERY EARLY EFFECTS, UM, UH, ABOUT THAT.

AND, AND WE CAN ALWAYS THROW SOME INFORMATION TEXT THAT WAY AND SAY, AND EVEN IF YOU GUYS ARE PRODUCING YOUR OWN CONCRETE ON SITE, UH, HOW ABOUT TRYING TO MEET SOME, MEET SOME REASONABLE LIMITS BASED ON EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY'S ALREADY DOING.

SO WHEN WE HAVE THOSE EPDS IN HAND THAT ARE VALIDATED FROM OUR PRODUCERS, LOCAL PRODUCERS, WE CAN START SHOWING FOLKS, HEY, I A LITTLE COMPETITION HERE.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS ARE DOING GREAT AND YOU, YOU'RE KIND OF STICKING OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.

UM, I, I THINK THERE'LL BE SOME PRESSURE FOR, FOR, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE THEM EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BIG, THE BIG GORILLA IN THE ROOM.

, I, I THINK WE STILL WILL BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE EVEN T'S WORK.

YEAH, I MEAN, IDEALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN WORK WITH US ON, YOU KNOW, MEETING OUR ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS, UH, AS OPPOSED TO JUST STEAMROLLING US, NO PUN INTENDED.

I, MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

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YES, THANKS, KAYA.

REGARDING , THEY DO HAVE CARBON REDUCTION PROJECT FUNDS TO SPEND.

AND I, I THINK THAT THIS COULD BE A FEASIBLE OPTION FOR THEM TO DO.

IT'S JUST THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE FACTORS OF COST VERSUS FEASIBILITY.

SO TYPICALLY WITH GREEN MINDED NEW TECHNOLOGY, IT'S GONNA BE COSTING A LITTLE BIT MORE, I WOULD IMAGINE, THAN THE STANDARD METHODS OF PRODUCING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CONCRETE.

AND FOR TEXDOT, THEY ALSO USE A LOT OF ASPHALT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHEMISTRY FOR MAKING LOW CARBON CONCRETE WOULD BE OF SIMILAR FASHION TO LOW CARBON ASPHALT.

BUT, UM, I GUESS THAT WAS SORT OF MY THINKING IN YOUR PRESENTATION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP ONCE THE LOW CARBON CONCRETE TAKES OFF AND BECOME SUCCESSFUL? WOULD, WOULD LOW CARBON ASPHALT BE THE NEXT PROGRESSIVE STEP? BECAUSE THEN, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING ON OUTSIDE OF CITIES OR SIDEWALKS AND, UM, OTHER MINOR CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN YOU'RE MOVING ON TO HIGHWAYS AND INTERSTATE ROADWAYS.

YES, ASPHALT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL IN TERMS OF ITS DESIGN AND, AND THE, THE ENGINEERING BEHIND HOW YOU, HOW YOU DO THE PAVEMENT DESIGNS.

BUT IT IS NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST FOR US.

UM, THE, UH, ASPHALT INDUSTRY IS ALREADY WORKING ON THIS.

THEY, THEY, UM, THE, UH, LOCAL FOLKS HERE, UH, IN BUTTA ARE READY TO, TO START HELPING US, UH, GET EPDS FROM ASPHALT, UH, PRODUCERS AS WELL.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S THE NEXT ONE.

IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE BIG FOUR THAT THE FEDS LAID OUT.

THEY SAID CONCRETE, ASPHALT, STEEL AND, AND PLATE GLASS.

AND SO ASPHALT AND CONCRETE ARE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HUGE, UH, VOLUME USE MATERIALS, BUT THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT.

AND, BUT WE, WE INTEND FULLY TO BE GOING TO THE SAME KIND OF, UH, APPROACH WITH EPDS BEING PRODUCED FOR ASPHALTS TO, UH, TO SIT TO ASSURE THAT DIFFERENT VENDORS AND PRODUCERS ARE GOING TO BE MAKING THE MOST SUSTAINABLE ASPHALT THEY CAN.

WE ALREADY TURN A LOT OF MILLED ASPHALT, UH, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE MATERIAL WE'RE PULLING UP FROM ROADS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DOWN.

AND THAT IS A HUGE, HUGE QUANTITY OF ASPHALT IS BEING RECYCLED BACK INTO NEW ASPHALT.

UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE VARIOUS DESIGN TECHNIQUES FOR HOW MUCH YOU CAN USE.

BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE.

AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE NEXT ON OUR LIST WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING VERY FORWARD REALLY HARD WITH THE ASPHALT INDUSTRY AS WELL TO DO A SIMILAR THING.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND SORRY FOR KEEPING YOU LATE .

UM, COULD YOU, THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

UM, COULD, COULD YOU CLARIFY, UM, THE FIGURES ON SLIDE 12, JUST WANNA GET A SENSE OF LIKE WHAT THESE, I'M, I'M ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN THE LAST LINE.

WHAT, WHAT DO THOSE C TWO EMISSIONS CORRESPOND TO AGAIN? OH, MILLION METRIC TONS.

UH, WE, WE, I SAW THAT, THAT A LOT OF FOLKS, YOU KNOW, DON'T RELATE TO POUNDS AS WELL AS THEY DO MILLION METRIC TONS.

SO I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S NOT, NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL DEAL WITH.

IT'S JUST THE CONVERSION TO 2,205 POUNDS PER, UH, MILLION, UH, METRIC TON.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME NUMBER AS THE ABOVE JUST CONVERTED TO MILLION METRIC TONS.

BUT WHAT ARE THOSE EMISSIONS ACTUALLY CORRESPONDING TO THOUGH? UH, IT'S, UM, BASICALLY THE CO2 EQUIVALENT.

SO IT MAY HAVE SOME OTHER GASES IN IT.

MM-HMM, , BUT IT'S THE CO2 EQUIVALENT BASED ON 1.92.

THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CONVERSION FACTOR THAT THE INDUSTRY'S PRETTY COMFORTABLE PUBLISHING AS A GENERAL FIGURE FOR HOW MANY, HOW MANY KILOGRAMS OF, OF, UM, UH, CARBON DIOXIDE OR CO2 EQUIVALENT ARE CREATED FOR EVERY, UM, UH, CUBIC METER OF CONCRETE PRODUCED.

UM, AND SO WE JUST DID THE CONVERSIONS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, BASED ON THE CUBIC YARDS THAT ARE REPORTED 'CAUSE WE'RE MORE COMFORTABLE IN OPERATIONS REPORTING IN CUBIC YARDS.

BUT ANYWAY, THESE HAVE BEEN JUST, THAT'S HOW MUCH CO2 EQUIVALENT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CREATED FOR THESE CUBIC YARDS OF CONCRETE OR POUNDS OF CEMENT BASED ON THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE GENERATION OF CARBON DIOXIDE GASES OR GREENHOUSE, UH, GREENHOUSE GASES, UM, FROM THE CONCRETE INDUSTRY.

OH, THIS

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IS THE ENTIRE CONCRETE INDUSTRY.

UM, SO, UH, NO.

IF I MAY CLARIFY, BASICALLY OUR, UM, ENGINEERS, WE ARE COLLECTING QUARTERLY REPORTS FROM CONCRETE PRODUCERS.

WE HAVE 12 PRODUCERS PRODUCING CONCRETE MIXES.

SO IT'S BASED ON QUARTERLY REPORTS BY CONCRETE PRODUCERS PLUS STREET AND BREACH OPERATIONS.

SO IT'S OUR FIELD OPS, UH, FIELD OPERATIONS THAT USING CONCRETE FOR UTILITY CUTS FOR CONSTRUCTION, CARBON GUTTER.

SO THEY'RE PROVIDING US TICKETS WEEKLY.

UM, AND WE ARE COUNTING BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING US, UH, VOLUME AND POUNDS, UH, CONCRETE VOLUME AND POUNDS OF CEMENT.

SO WE ARE COLLECTING DATA AND THIS IS SUMMARY FOR FY 23, BUT IS IT LIKE, IS IT ASSOCIATED WITH CONCRETE THAT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY PURCHASING? YES.

AND USING YES AND PRODUC AND PRODUCING BY VOLUMETRIC TRUCKS.

OKAY.

WE HAVE SOME FOLKS MAKING THEIR OWN BATCHES OF CONCRETE OUT THERE WITH THE TRUCKS.

UH, A LOT OF IT IS PURCHASED PRE-MADE READY MIX AND DELIVERED TO THE SITE AS CONCRETE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONCRETE THAT'S ON SMALLER JOBS BY THE VOLUMETRIC TRUCKS.

THIS IS THE COMBINED TOTAL FOR AUSTIN PROJECTS IN THESE QUARTERS.

SO THIS IS JUST AUSTIN.

WOW, OKAY.

YEAH, I JUST SAW THAT NUMBER AND IT'S HUGE.

YEAH, IT'S MASSIVE COMPARED TO LIKE OUR COMMUNITY, UH, CARBON FOOTPRINT, WHICH I THINK IS LIKE WHAT, 10 POINT SOMETHING MILLION METRIC TONS.

YEAH.

SO .

SO THAT WAS PRETTY SHOCKING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS GETS INCORPORATED INTO OUR, UH, OVERALL COMMUNITY FOOTPRINT, BUT THAT, THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.

THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS JUST I'M CURIOUS ABOUT ANY LIKE, UPCOMING DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS OR PILOT PROJECTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED.

WELL, WE COULD, WE COULD SHOW THINGS OFF, BUT I GOT A FEELING THAT IT, IT MIGHT BE A BIT OF A STRANGE THING 'CAUSE AS A, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A PERSON JUST COMING UP AND LOOKING AT IT, WE HOPE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS MIX OUT THERE.

UM, TREAT IT EXACTLY LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER CONCRETE MIX WE'VE EVER PLACED.

AND THE, THE PROOF WILL BE IN JUST THE, UH, REPORTING OF WHAT CONSTITUENT MATERIALS WENT INTO IT AND WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, PROMISING AND THEN DID IT PERFORM AS WE NEEDED IT TO.

SO OVER TIME WE'LL SEE IS IT AS STRONG AS WE NEED IT TO BE? IS IT AS DURABLE AND CRACK FREE? AND, UM, WE'D BE GLAD TO HAVE FOLKS COME OUT AND LOOK, BUT THEY MIGHT, THEY, THEY MIGHT BE JUST SURPRISED THAT, WELL, THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE I'VE EVER SEEN.

AND SO YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO LET US KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS FOR YOU TO SEE IT.

UM, IT'D BE MORE IMPACT IN THE FACTS BEFORE AND AFTER THEN SEEING IT SO MUCH NOW GOING TO PLANTS MAYBE AND SEEING PRODU, YOU KNOW, SEEING NEW THINGS BEING DONE MIGHT BE VERY INTERESTING.

UM, AS WAS SUGGESTED, ENERGY IS A HUGE ASPECT OF, UM, UH, COOKING THE, THE CEMENT SO THAT YOU CAN CRUSH IT UP APPROPRIATELY.

WELL, IF SOMEBODY PRODUCES OR IS USING BIOFUELS AND IS CHANGING THEIR PLANT, YOU KNOW, IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK EVERYBODY MIGHT BE REALLY GENUINELY INTERESTED IN SEEING.

'CAUSE IT'LL BE SOMETHING YOU CAN SEE AND YOU CAN TALK TO SOMEBODY ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT IS THIS, UH, THE ACTUAL PLACEMENT MIGHT, MIGHT BE NOT THAT EXCITING , BUT, BUT WE'D BE GLAD TO HAVE ANYBODY COME OUT AND LOOK AT ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO.

UM, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME.

OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAD A QUICK QUESTION IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND, EVA? YEAH, PLEASE.

UH, JUST, UM, WELL I THINK I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, I THINK THAT TABLE MIGHT BE REFERRING, 'CAUSE IT WAS DOING THE CONVERSION, IT MIGHT BE REFERRING TO METRIC TONS INSTEAD OF MAJOR METRIC TONS.

SO JUST, JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNITS ARE ARE CORRECT.

AND THEN THE O THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU GUYS NEEDED OUR, OUR SUPPORT.

SO I WAS JUST KINDA WONDERING WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THE, THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS FOR US TO HELPING OUT IN THIS INITIATIVE? WELL, UH, I THINK, UH, COMMITTEE IS POWERFUL AND YOU GUYS, UH, EXPERT ON SUSTAINABILITY AND YOU, UM, IF YOU THINK WE HAVE, UM, A GOOD PLAN OR PLAN TO, UH, THAT YOU APPROVE FOR ACTIONS, MAYBE YOU CAN SUPPORT US, UM, WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL AND,

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UH, ON THIS PLAN IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE TO ENGAGE EVERYONE, ENGAGE, UH, TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WE WOULD NEED, UM, A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISION TO, UH, START WORKING TOWARDS THAT RIGHT FIELD OPERATIONS.

UH, THEY HAVE TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF REPORTING.

THEY CAN DO IT.

WE MEET WITH FIELD OPERATIONS OF MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, BUT WE ARE NOT THE ENTITY TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.

WE JUST PROPOSING IT WOULD BE GREAT TO START DOING IT.

AND WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR FIELD OPS, UH, IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

WE ARE DOING IT ALL ALREADY.

UM, SO WE JUST ASKING FOR, FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS.

AND WHEN IS THIS GOING TO COUNCIL? WELL, UH, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO BASED ON RESOLUTION NOVEMBER AND UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATE.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

I DIDN'T HEAR UPDATE ON THAT.

RCA 2 61 I BELIEVE.

OKAY.

I'M JUST RC IT WAS RCA 2 61 ON THE OCTOBER.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, UH, IT HAPPENED BY OKAY.

I WILL FOLLOW