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EVERYONE, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE

[CALL TO ORDER]

FEBRUARY 5TH REGULAR MEETING OF THE MUSIC COMMISSION TO ORDER, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? SHELBY? ALL RIGHT.

NO PUBLIC COMMUNICATION TODAY.

MOVING ON TO APPROVAL OF

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

MINUTES.

IF EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY MEETING, UH, UH, SOMEBODY COULD MOTION TO APPROVE EVERYONE'S, UH, BY THE WAY, VIRTUAL TODAY EXCEPT FOR ME HERE.

SO, UH, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO KEEP THIS INTERACTIVE .

SO, UM, I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE.

ALL RIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER GOLD.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND.

ALL IN FAVOR, COMMISSIONER HON.

UH, DID YOU HAVE, UH, DID YOU WANT A VOTE? AYE, YEAH, I'M JUST ABSTAINING.

I, I DIDN'T, UH, HAVE A CHANCE TO WATCH THE MEETING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED OR NOT, BUT, GOT IT.

SO, BUT, UH, HOW DOES THAT WORK THOUGH? BECAUSE THAT GIVES US ONLY FIVE VOTES.

SO DO WE, UH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUSH IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

YEAH, LET'S JUST DO THAT.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN APPROVE, UH, TWO SETS OF MINUTES.

YEP.

YEP.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO WE'LL, UH, PUSH THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY MEETING TO, UH, THE NEXT, UH, COMMISSION MEETINGS AGENDA, UM, STAFF BRIEFINGS.

[2. Live Music Fund collections update by Kim McCarson, Program Manager, Music & Entertainment Division, Economic Development Department.]

UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS LIVE MUSIC FUND COLLECTIONS, UPDATE BY KIM MC CARSON, PROGRAM MANAGER, MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION, EDD.

HELLO, KIM, MCC CARSON, PROGRAM MANAGER WITH MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT.

AND I'LL BE GIVING AN UPDATE TONIGHT ON THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX COLLECTIONS FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND.

THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT SLIDE.

ALL RIGHT.

HERE ARE THE NUMBERS.

SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE, BUT ABOVE THE ORANGE BAR ON THIS SECOND COLUMN HERE IS A LITTLE GRAY LINE THAT REPRESENTS DECEMBER WITH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX COLLECTIONS OF 4,903.

IF YOU'LL LOOK DIRECTLY TO YOUR LEFT AT LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS, THIS LINE, THIS NUMBER, IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS COLLECTED AT THAT TIME LAST YEAR.

SO WE HAVE THE UPDATED YEAR TO DATE ENCUMBRANCES FOR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 24, NOW AT, UH, 931,943, AND THAT INCLUDES THE 4,903 NUMBER FOR DECEMBER.

OKAY.

SO, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR KIM? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, KIM.

NEXT ITEM ON

[3. Live music venue eligibility for 2024 Live Music Fund update, Erica Shamaly, Division Manager, Music & Entertainment, Economic Development Department.]

THE AGENDA IS LIVE MUSIC VENUE ELIGIBILITY FOR 2024 LIVE MUSIC FUND UPDATE, ERICA SHAMLEY, DIVISION MANAGER, MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT, EDD HELLO COMMISSIONERS.

UM, ERICA SHAMLEY, MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION MANAGER.

ACTUALLY, IT'S GONNA BE AN UPDATE ON ALL OF THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES.

THAT WAS THE, UM, EXEC THING THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA LAST TIME, BUT IT'S COVERED SINCE IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

SO I WANTED TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSIONERS AN OVERVIEW OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE, UH, FROM THE INIT FROM OUR PILOT PROGRAM, THE LIVE MUSIC FUND EVENT PROGRAM TO THE 2024 PROGRAM, WHICH WE ARE REBRANDING TO AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND.

UH, IT'S EASIER TO MARKET.

I MEAN, SO ALL OF THIS NEEDS TO BE MARKETED TO POTENTIAL TOURISTS AND CONVENTION DELEGATES.

SO HAVING THE AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND AS THE CORNERSTONE OF OUR MARKETING COMPONENT, I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA.

AND THEN WE CAN JUST DELINEATE IT BY YEAR.

SO, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO HERE'S JUST SOME UPDATE INFORMATION.

I WON'T GO THROUGH IT.

WE WENT THROUGH THIS LAST TIME, BUT AS A REMINDER, YOU'LL BE RECEIVING THIS PRESENTATION.

THESE LINKS ARE LIVE.

SO GO AND, UH, CLICK ON ANYTHING TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE HISTORY.

NEXT SLIDE.

UH, SO WHAT HAS REMAINED THE CORE EQUITY PRINCIPLES OF THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, AS WELL AS THE PROGRAM PURPOSE? SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS FUND IS TO SHOWCASE AUSTIN'S DIVERSE, UH, MUSIC INDUSTRY AND TO EXPAND ITS ECOSYSTEM AND CREATE NEW AND AUDIENCES NOT ONLY HERE, BUT ALL AROUND THE WORLD FOR AUSTIN'S MUSICIANS AND

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BANDS AND PROMOTERS.

AND NOW, LIVE MUSIC VENUES, THE CORE EQUITY PRINCIPLES REMAIN THE SAME.

UM, BUT YOU'LL SEE SOME CHANGES IN THE SCORING LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, HOW WE'RE GOING TO SCORE FOR REALLY WHO YOU ARE, UH, FROM AN ACCESS TO SERVICES AND A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY POINT OF VIEW.

AND THEN WE WILL, UH, REQUIRE OF OUR AWARDEES THAT, UH, EQUITY TRAINING AS WELL AS AN EQUITY STRATEGIC PLAN, BE PART OF THEIR DELIVERABLES TO THE CITY.

AND OF COURSE, WE WILL, AS ALWAYS, PROVIDE GREAT TRAINING AND SOME, AND TEMPLATES AND SUPPORT, UH, TO HELP DO THAT WORK.

AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF INTERESTING AND COOL.

AND, UH, MOST OF IT WAS ESTABLISHED DURING THE LIVE MUSIC FUND PRESERVATION PROGRAM DURING RELIEF AND RECOVERY.

GOT TO WORK WITH ALL OF OUR VENUES, UH, TO WORK WITH JOYCE JAMES CONSULTING ON OUR EQUITY STRATEGIES.

SO, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AGAIN, THE THREE GROUPS OF ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS FOR 2024 IS NOW INCLUSIVE OF LIVE MUSIC VENUES IN ADDITION TO PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS AND INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS.

UM, UH, THE DEFINITIONS AREN'T HERE SINCE YOU SAW THEM LAST TIME, SO YOU CAN OF COURSE GO TO THIS PRESENTATION AND WE WILL LINK YOU TO THE, UM, GUIDELINES ONCE THEY'RE ON THE WEBSITE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, FOR INELIGIBLE APPLICANTS, UM, IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL TO WHAT YOU SAW LAST YEAR.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE COVERING ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED, AND JUST THAT, JUST MAKE IT MORE CLEAR ACROSS GUIDELINES OF WHO IS INELIGIBLE.

AND ONE THING WE'VE DECIDED IS THAT APPLICANTS WHO, UM, RECEIVE THE CULTURAL ARTS FUND IN THE SAME YEAR, UM, CANNOT RECEIVE A LIVE MUSIC FUND.

AND SO THAT IS AN ORDINANCE DIFFERENCE.

UH, AND THIS WAS THE CASE FOR LAST YEAR, BUT WE'RE JUST MAKING IT VERY CLEAR.

SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION THAT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE FOR APPLICANTS TO CHOOSE, BECAUSE BY ORDINANCE, YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH, UH, YOU CAN'T HAVE GRANTS FROM BOTH FUNDS IN THE SAME YEAR.

UM, LET'S SEE, ALSO THAT, UM, I MEAN, EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, UH, FROM LAST YEAR IN TERMS OF INELIGIBLE APPLICANTS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND THIS IS A DIFFERENCE, AND THIS IS EXCITING.

'CAUSE OF COURSE, WE LEARNED A LOT.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF LAST YEAR'S, EITHER FIVE OR $10,000 AWARDS WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE MUSIC COMMISSION TO TRY TO SPREAD THE MONEY AS FAR AND WIDE AS POSSIBLE.

UH, BUT FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE RIGORS OF ACTUALLY DOING THE GRANT APPLICATION AND ALSO WHAT INVESTMENT WOULD REALLY HAVE THE MOST IMPACT, WE'D LIKE TO SEE LARGER GRANTS.

SO THE PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS AND INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS CAN NOW CHOOSE FOR, UM, EITHER 15 OR INTO $30,000.

AND THEN FOR VENUES, IF YOU HAVE AN OPERATING BUDGET BELOW A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU CAN GET 30.

AND FOR VENUES OVER 100,000, YOU CAN GET 60.

UM, AND ANOTHER WAY THAT WE'VE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, RESHUFFLED THE SCORING IS THAT SINCE WE'RE NOT SCORING FOR PROJECTS, YOU CAN USE THE FUNDS FOR ANY ELIGIBLE EXPENSES FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE YEAR, AS LONG AS YOU'RE PROMOTING EVERYTHING YOU DO TO POTENTIAL VISITORS AND TO, UH, CONVENTION DELEGATES, AND OF COURSE TO LOCAL AUDIENCES.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING MUSIC KNOWS HOW TO DO IS, UH, SPREAD THE WORD OF OF THEIR MUSIC.

SO, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, AGAIN, HERE ARE THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES, UH, THAT CAN BE USED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

UH, FOR THE, FOR THE WHOLE GRANT, WE JUST WANNA SEE A COHESIVE MARKETING PLAN, UH, FROM ALL OF THE AWARDEES ABOUT HOW EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING IS BEING, UM, MARKETED TO TOURISTS AND POTENTIAL, UH, CONVENTION DELEGATES, AS WELL AS TO THE LOCAL AUDIENCES.

AND SO, UM, JUST ANYONE YOU CAN START TALKING TO US ABOUT THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, LIKE I SAID, ALL THIS INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE.

WE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SUPPORT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY MAY HAVE.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO, THE INELIGIBLE EXPENSES, AGAIN, LEARNING FROM THE LAST TIME, MAKING IT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE, EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS THE CASE LAST YEAR, WE JUST WANNA BE EXTREMELY CLEAR WITH EVERYONE OF WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH THE FUNDS.

SO, PROJECT EXPENSES PAID BEFORE THE APPLICATION DUE DATE.

AND SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE LIKE PAYING A GRANT WRITER TO DO THE GRANT, FOR INSTANCE.

UM, ANY KIND OF CAPITAL COSTS, LIKE FOR CONSTRUCTION, UH, BIG EQUIPMENT PURCHASES STILL NOT ALLOWED.

UM, AND ALSO, UH, FOR APPLICANTS, BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL BE A NONPROFIT VERSION OF A, YOU KNOW, A MUSICIAN INDEPENDENT PROMOTER OR A LIVE MUSIC VENUE, UM, YOU CANNOT, UH, USE THIS MONEY FOR FUNDRAISING EXPENSES, UM, FOR PROFITS, DO FUNDRAISERS, YOU KNOW, A BENEFIT FOR HAM AS FOR INSTANCE.

THAT'S VERY COMMON.

YOU'LL FIND THAT IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, AND THAT IS ALLOWED.

UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS WHERE THE SCORING IS DIFFERENT.

AND SO EACH SLIDE, I HAVE ONE

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FOR THE MUSICIANS AND PROMOTERS, AND ONE FOR THE VENUES.

UH, SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA FOCUS ON LIKE WHO, WHO YOU ARE LIMITED, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR ACCESS TO SERVICES, AND IF YOU HAVE A MORE LIMITED ACCESS, UH, THEN YOU GET MORE POINTS.

AND THEN YOUR LOCAL ECONOMIC IMPACT ABOUT HIRING MUSICIANS, CREATIVES, CREATIVE BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, FOR MERCH, UH, PRODUCTION, VIDEO PRODUCTION, UM, ALL OF THAT.

THE MORE THAT YOU DO, YOU SUPPORT THAT IN AUSTIN, YOU GET ADDITIONAL POINTS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO WE WANNA SEE IN THE PROGRAMMING AND OUTREACH THAT THE GRANT FUNDED ACTIVITIES, WHATEVER THEY ARE, EXPAND THE AUDIENCES AND AMPLIFY AUSTIN'S DIVERSE ARTS AND CULTURE SECTORS.

UH, WE WANNA SEE THE MARKETING STRATEGIES BOTH PAID AND UNPAID TO GAIN THOSE NEW AUDIENCES, INCLUDING TOURISTS AND CONVENTION DELEGATES.

AND AGAIN, AS LIKE LAST TIME, THERE WILL BE TRAINING, YOU KNOW, FOR MARKETING, THAT'S EXCELLENT AND WILL REALLY HELP THE, THE AWARDEES.

AND THEN ALSO A CATEGORY IS ACCESSIBILITY, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU CREATING, UM, FEATURES FOR DISABLED AUDIENCES TO ENJOY PROGRAMMING? UM, HOW ARE YOU, UH, DOING CONTENT IN NON-ENGLISH FOR, FOR NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING COMMUNITIES, LIKE INCLUDING PROGRAMMING OR AT LEAST JUST TRANSLATIONS AT YOUR EVENT OR YOUR PROJECT.

AND THEN WE JUST, YOU WILL GET EXTRA POINTS IF YOUR GRANT FUNDED ACTIVITIES ARE ACTUALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A RECORD STUDIO TIME IS ELIGIBLE HERE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE POINTS IF YOU HAVE THAT PUBLIC FACING, UM, ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.

UH, IT'S DEFINITELY TRUE TO THE LIVE MUSIC FUND IN TERMS OF MARKETING TO POTENTIAL TOURISTS.

AND SO NO BETTER WAY TO DO THAT THAN TO OPEN UP, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTS TO AUDIENCES.

BUT FROM JUST A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT, UM, WE WANNA SEE MUSICIANS OUT ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO ENJOY WHAT IT IS WE LOVE SO MUCH ABOUT AUSTIN.

SO YOU'LL GET EXTRA POINTS FOR THAT.

AND SO IF YOU DID NOT RECEIVE, UH, THE LIVE MUSIC FUND EVENT PROGRAM GRANT LAST YEAR, YOU WILL GET A BONUS POINTS OF 15 POINTS.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS FOR THE LIVE MUSIC VENUES.

AGAIN, EXACT SAME CATEGORIES, BUT WITH JUST DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, QUALIFIERS BECAUSE BASICALLY VENUES IS APPLES AND ORANGES.

AND SO WE ASK DIFFERENT TYPES OF QUESTIONS, WE SCORE THEM DIFFERENTLY, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF THE CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM OF HOW TO SET UP THESE SCORING CATEGORIES THAT'S RELEVANT TO VENUES.

SO AGAIN, LIMITED ACCESS TO SERVICES, UM, EITHER THAT YOU JUST HAVE, YOU JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE.

YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO GET A LOAN BECAUSE YOU GOTTA HAVE CREDIT TO GET A LOAN.

AND THE CATCH 22 GET, GET, UM, GETS YOU.

AND THEN ALSO ANY VENUES LOCATED IN A QUALIFIED CENSUS TRACK, LIKE LAST YEAR, YOU GET EXTRA POINTS FOR THAT.

UM, AGAIN, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, THE VENUES HAVE TO BE LOCATED IN A COUNCIL DISTRICT OR IN THE EXTRA TER UH, TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.

UM, UH, AND THAT IS, UH, ONE, BUT IF IT'S IN A QUALIFIED CENSUS TRACK, ON TOP OF THAT, YOU GET EXTRA POINTS.

UH, ALSO LOCAL, UM, ECONOMIC IMPACT.

WE WANNA SEE, UM, A CONSISTENT DEDICATION TO HIRING LOCAL MUSICIANS AND OTHER CREATIVES.

UH, IF YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE CO-LOCATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER, UH, CREATIVES TO LIKE, HELP TO RINSE SPACE WITH YOU TO, TO, TO DEFLECT COSTS, UM, OR YOU COULD, UH, PROVIDE YOUR SPACE, UH, UH, FREE OR LOW COST TO OTHER CREATIVES INSIDE OF AUSTIN OR IN AUSTIN.

UM, THEN ALSO JUST HOW MANY PERMANENT JOBS ARE SUPPORTED, WHICH IS LIKE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE ON THE PAYROLL? UM, THAT IS DEFINITE LOCAL, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACT.

UH, THEN ALSO INTERNSHIP, APPRENTICESHIPS.

AND THEN IF YOU HIRE LOCAL BUSINESSES FOR LIKE, AND WHEN WE MEAN BUSINESS OPERATIONS, IT COULD BE YOUR MARKETING MATERIALS, ANY DESIGNER WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR MERCH PRODUCED.

'CAUSE VENUES DO THE SAME AS MUSICIANS.

SO THE MORE WE SEE IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY, THE MORE POINTS YOU GET.

AND SO FOR THE PROGRAMMING AND OUTREACH, AGAIN, GRANT FUNDED ACTIVITIES EXPAND THE AUDIENCES TO, TO AMPLIFY AS THE AUSTIN DIVERSE ARTS AND CULTURE SECTORS.

TONS OF MARKETING STRATEGIES, BOTH PAID UNPAID TO REACH THOSE AUDIENCES AND POTENTIAL TOURISTS.

SAME THING WITH ACCESSIBILITY.

WHAT FEATURES ARE PROVIDED IN THE VENUE AND WHAT PROGRAM IS GEARED TOWARDS NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING COMMUNITIES.

UM, AND IF YOU, AND WE JUST SAID IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, DID NOT RECEIVE CITY OF AUSTIN GRANT FUNDING IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE CSAP CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

AND SO YOU GET AN EXTRA 10 POINTS IF YOU DID NOT RECEIVE A GRANT BEFORE.

NEXT SLIDE.

OKAY.

AND THESE ARE THE AWARDEE COMMITMENTS I WAS, UH, TALKING ABOUT.

UH, BY TAKING THE SHIFT OF THE EQUITY POINTS AND PUTTING IT REALLY MORE ON THE COMMITMENTS OF THE AWARDEES, IT GIVES US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND WE'VE LEARNED A LOT, UH, THAT IT WORKS REALLY WELL.

BUT WE'VE

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SEEN THAT SEVERAL FUNDING PROGRAMS NOW THAT, UM, IF YOU PROVIDE GREAT TRAINING AND SUPPORT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PUBLIC BENEFIT WE WANNA SEE FROM THESE DOLLARS.

UM, SO SINCE AWARDEES WILL BE ENTERING INTO GRANT AGREEMENTS, THEY MUST ACKNOWLEDGE AND AFFIRM THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE FOLLOWING COMMITMENTS, WHICH IS PAYING MUSICIANS, THE CITY OF AUSTIN MUSICIAN, STANDARD RATE OF PAY, AT LEAST AS A MINIMUM, UH, DEI TRAINING NOCO OPTIONS PROVIDED BY THE CITY EQUITY STRATEGIC PLAN.

A TEMPLATE IS GONNA BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY, AND THAT IS, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, A DOCUMENT THAT CAME OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY WORKING WITH ONE OF THE BEST CONSULTANTS EVER.

UH, AND IT'S DEFINITELY THESE, THESE STRATEGIES RELEVANT TO AUSTIN.

AND THEN ALSO YOU'VE GOTTA INCLUDE THE CITY OF AUSTIN MARKETING STATEMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE CHANGED, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR WITH THE AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND.

SO SOMETHING LIKE THE AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND PRESENTS BEFORE A SHOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME REQUIRED LANGUAGE JUST IN THE COPY, UH, OF, FOR ALL OF THE AWARDEES PROJECTS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, PROGRESS AND FINAL REPORTS, WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S DOING WELL, UM, IN ORDER TO GET THEIR PAYMENTS.

AND THEN OPTIONAL, WE'LL PROVIDE MORE MARKETING CLASSES TO ALL AWARDEES.

AND THOSE ARE, AGAIN, FREE AND, UM, ONLINE, SO YOU CAN WATCH THEM ANYTIME.

UM, WE, THEY WERE VERY POPULAR THIS LAST YEAR.

THEY DID VERY WELL.

SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT UP.

UM, AND NOW THAT'S IT.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

UM, ERICA, UM, COULD, COULD WE JUST SPEND MAYBE A COUPLE MORE MM-HMM, , UM, MINUTES ON THE, UH, ELIGIBLE, ELIGIBLE EXPENSES? YEAH, I THINK WE KIND OF WENT PAST IT AND, UH, I WOULD, UH, OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS SURE.

OR ANY COMMENTS.

JUST REAL QUICK, THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES ARE THE SAME AS BEFORE.

THOSE ARE THE EXPENSES ALLOWED BY THE STATUTE, THE, YOU KNOW, HOT STATUTE.

AND SO WE JUST INCLUDED EVERYTHING IN THERE AS ELIGIBLE EXPENSES.

AND, UM, ONE MORE, CAN YOU GO ONE MORE BACK? THERE WE GO.

SO, ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS HERE FOR NO CHANGES HERE FROM THE LAST TIME? NO, NO.

WE ADDED ADDITIONAL AUSTIN TOURISM, LIKE IF YOU WERE DOING A TOUR, BECAUSE TRAVEL EXPENSES ARE ALLOWED, UM, BY THE STATUTE THAT, UM, IT HAS TO BE ANY TRAVEL EXPENSES HAVE TO BE ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE BEING FUNDED BY THE GRANT.

THE PROMOTIONAL TOURS OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

THAT WAS NOT IN PLACE.

UH, NO, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE LIVE MUSIC FUND FROM A VERY PURE STATE, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT, UM, HOT IN TERMS OF STATE OF TEXAS STATUTE FOR HOTEL MOTEL, OCCUPANCY TAX PROMOTING AUSTIN DIRECTLY IN SUCH A WAY WHERE YOU SAY THE AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND PRESENTS.

UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE MARKETING TO GO OUT WITH THE SHOW.

AND MUSICIANS ARE VERY ACCOMP, YOU KNOW, USED TO DOING THAT IF THEY GET A SPONSOR.

AND SO THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO PROMOTE AUSTIN AND THE FUND, AND THAT WE'RE HELPING MUSICIANS TO GO PLAY TO MORE AUDIENCES POTENTIAL THAT ARE POTENTIAL TOURISTS TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, COMMISSIONER GOLD.

YEAH, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF THIS.

UM, ERICA, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ONE OF WHICH IS, UH, ARE THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES THE SAME FOR VENUE APPLICANTS? YES.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE BY STATUTE, SO THESE ARE WHAT'S ALLOWED AND, UH, WITH ANY OF THE HOT FUNDS, OKAY, SO THIS IS LIKE, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CONVERSATION WE HAD BEFORE, WHICH WAS THAT IT WASN'T TOTALLY DIALED IN, BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ADDING VENUES INTO THE MIX, THE IDEA WAS THAT THAT MONEY WOULD BE PRIMARILY SPENT TO SUBSIDIZE MUSIC PERFORMANCES AT THESE VENUES TO BASICALLY FUNNEL THAT MONEY, THAT LIVE MUSIC FUND MONEY THROUGH THE VENUES TO THE MUSICIANS PLAYING AT, AT THOSE VENUES, ALLOWING THE VENUES TO BE MUSICIANS A FAIR WAGE.

SO IF ALL OF THESE EXPENSES ARE ALLOWABLE, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO REALLY SPREAD THOSE FUNDS A LOT THINNER.

I MEAN, I SEE YOU'RE GIVING A BIGGER CHUNK, WHICH IS GREAT, UM, TO VENUES, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THAT 'CAUSE IT'S YEAH, KIND OF DIFFERENT.

UM, SO, AND I DID NEGLECT TO PUT IN THESE SLIDES.

SO THERE ARE TWO AWARD BUDGETS FOR MUSICIANS AND PROMOTERS.

WE'RE HOLDING FAST AT THE $3.5 MILLION DEDICATED TO THAT, THOSE ELIGIBILITY GROUPS.

THEN THERE WILL BE A MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE LIVE MUSIC VENUES WILL APPLY TO FOR THOSE TWO.

SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR MUSICIANS AND PROMOTERS, WHICH ALSO CAN USE THE FUNDS TO PAY THEMSELVES AS A PERFORMER,

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AS A, UH, EVENT PRODUCER, AND ALSO TO PAY OTHER PEOPLE IN THEIR BAND, UM, FOR THE VENUES, ANY GRANT FUNDS THEY RECEIVE AND THEY'RE PAYING GUARANTEES THEY HAVE TO PAY THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY.

AND SO IT'S A GOOD, UH, I THINK VENUES WOULD FIND THIS A GREAT THING TO SPEND THE FUNDS ON IS GUARANTEES, BUT AS WE WANNA SEE THESE FUNDS AS INVESTMENTS IN OUR BUSINESSES, AND WHEN WE REALLY THINK ABOUT WHY THE LIVE MUSIC FUND WAS CREATED, WHICH WAS REALLY ABOUT, UH, GROWING OUR SECTOR, AND, UM, AND SO WE DON'T WANNA DICTATE TOO MUCH IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE AND THEY SCORED HIGH ENOUGH AND THEY CAN GET THIS GRANT, WE'D LIKE FOR THEM TO HAVE THE FREEDOM AND THE CONFINES OF THE STATUTE TO SPEND THE MONEY WHERE THEY NEED IT.

IT'S JUST TOO HARD OUT THERE.

BUT IF THEY USE THE FUNDS TO, IF MUSICIANS ARE PLAYING AT THEIR VENUE AND IT'S A GRANT FUNDED EVENT OR PROJECT, YES, THEY MUST BE PAID AT LEAST A STANDARD RATE OF PAY.

SO, CAN I FOLLOW UP? MM-HMM.

, UM, IF YOU ARE, IF, IF, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, THESE, THESE ARE, THIS IS NO LONGER TIED TO A SPECIFIC EVENT.

MM-HMM, , THESE ARE FUNDS THAT YOU CAN BE USING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHATEVER.

IF IT'S A VENUE, THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE GONNA BE HIRING A WHOLE LOT OF MUSICIANS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

MM-HMM.

, HOW ARE YOU GONNA DESIGNATE, OKAY, THIS IS A GRANT FUNDED SHOW, AND SO THESE MUSICIANS ARE GONNA BE PAID THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN WHAT MOST PUBLIC CLUBS PAY MUSICIANS CURRENTLY.

LIKE, SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO, WELL, A GREAT EXAMPLE WE'LL GIVE, AND WE'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE VENUES IN TERMS OF CASH FLOW AND HOW DOES THIS WORK IF THEY ARE RECEIVING RENT FOR ANY MONTH, ANYONE WHO'S A LOCAL MUSICIAN PLAYING THAT MONTH IS GONNA GET THE, ALSO BE PAID THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY.

I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE TO JUST GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO THE VENUES TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THE EXPENSES DONE SO THAT THERE IS A VENUE FOR MUSICIANS TO PLAY AT.

AND ALSO PLAY MUSICIANS.

THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY, I CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW, UH, UNTIL WE HAVE THE DATA OF EXACTLY HOW IT'S ALL GONNA SHAKE OUT AND IF THAT IS A, A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON MUSICIANS, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT THIS POTENTIALLY IS, IS ADDITIONAL FUNDS ON TOP OF THE FUNDS GOING TO MUSICIANS AND PROMOTERS THAT COULD BE USED TO PAY MUSICIANS.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER EXPENSES OF VENUES AND THEY ARE PART OF THE LIVE MUSIC FUND.

AND SO WE WANT AN IMPACTFUL GRANT FOR THIS ELIGIBILITY CATEGORY.

JUST LIKE WE WANT AN IMPACTFUL GRANT FOR MUSICIANS AND PROMOTERS.

YES.

SO THAT'S, IT'S JUST THE NUMBERS ARE NOT ADDING UP TO ME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, YOU COULD SPEND, IF YOU'RE PAYING, IF YOU HAVE LIKE THREE BAND, A THREE BAND BILL ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, AND EACH BAND IS A FIVE PIECE, RIGHT? AND SAY YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PRO RATING, THEY PAY A PLAY A 45 MINUTE SET, AND YOU'RE PRO RATING THAT TO AN HOUR.

SO THAT'S 200 AN HOUR FOR FIVE MUSICIANS, UH, FOR THAT'S ONE BAND GETTING PAID.

UH, WHAT IS THAT, 200 TIMES FIVE? THAT'S 10,000, RIGHT? TIMES THREE.

THAT'S 30,000.

THOUSAND.

1000.

THAT'S 1000 1000.

I'M SORRY.

THOUSAND.

LET'S GO I 10.

THAT'S THOUSAND.

SO THEN, SO THEN, SORRY, DECIMALS, ZEROS.

UM, SO THAT, SO THAT'S $3,000 IN ONE NIGHT FOR THREE BANDS.

SO YOU DO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DO THAT, THAT'S LIKE 10 DAYS OF SHOWS AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE SPENT YOUR $30,000 ON JUST PAYING FEES FOR MUSICIANS.

I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, IF YOU'RE GONNA LIKE, THAT MONEY WILL RUN OUT VERY QUICKLY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE PAYING THAT STANDARD RATE OF PAY TO ALL THE MUSICIANS WHO ARE PLAYING AT THESE VENUES DURING THIS, WE, WE ALLOTTED.

YEAH.

I MEAN, WE JUST WANNA SAY, IF YOU'RE DESIGNATING, LOOK, LET'S JUST, HOW IT WILL PRACTICALLY WORK.

IF YOU'RE DESIGNATING FUNDS TO PAY MUSICIANS, WE HAVE TO SEE PROOF OF THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY IF YOU'RE USING THE FUNDS FOR YOUR MARKETING PLAN TO PROMOTE ALL OF THE LOCAL SHOWS AND ALL THE SHOWS.

THAT IS JUST, IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE VENUE, BUT ALSO TO THE MUSIC COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

IT'S NOT LIKE THAT THOSE OTHER FUNDS ARE BRAND NEW EXPENSES.

IT'S GONNA BE PAYING FOR EXPENSES THAT EXIST, THAT FREE UP MORE FUNDS.

THIS IS AN INVESTMENT BOTH IN THE MUSICIANS AND THE VENUES.

AND AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

AND THESE BEING, UM, I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE THESE BE INVESTMENTS SO THAT, UM, THE MUSICIANS AND THE PROMOTERS AS WELL AS THE VENUES CAN USE THE FUNDS AS THEY NEED, AS LONG AS IT'S WHAT'S ALLOWED.

AND THEY'RE PROMOTING, YOU KNOW, THE HECK OUT OF EVERYTHING TO POTENTIAL

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TOURISTS AND TO LOCAL AUDIENCES.

SO, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING WHEN IT IS REQUIRED OF THE VENUES IS TO PAY THIS STANDARD RATE OF PAY IF POSITION IF THEY DESIGNATED, YEAH, THEY WILL.

THERE'S A, A FIRST REPORT, PROGRESS REPORT.

THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA USE THE MONEY, AND IT COULD SAY, WE'RE GOING TO PAY MUSICIANS FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL OF OUR GRANT AND THEN WE'LL DO 50%, 40% OF THAT THEY DESIGNATE WITH THE PROGRESS REPORT AND WITH THE FINAL REPORT, AND THEY TELL US WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY ON AND WHAT THEY JUST SPENT IT ON.

AND SO WE KIND OF KNOW, SO WE ALLOW THEM TO SPEND IN THOSE CATEGORIES.

NOW IS THERE A, UM, A POSSIBILITY THAT A VENUE COULD USE ALL OF IT IN A DIFFERENT SECTION? YES, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT EVERY VENUE'S GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

WE'VE HEARD FROM LOTS OF VENUES THROUGH OUR VENUE SUMMITS THAT THEY WOULD DEFINITELY USE THESE FUNDS TO, UH, PAY LOCAL MUSICIANS THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY.

UM, BUT THIS IS JUST PART OF THE INVESTMENT.

'CAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GIVING THESE FUNDS TO THE MUSICIANS AS WELL, TO PROMOTE THEIR EVENTS AT VENUES TO ALSO PAY THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY.

UM, AND SO IT IS A COLLECTIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, USE OF THE FUNDS TO, YOU KNOW, LIFT UP OUR COMMUNITY COMMISSIONER GOLD.

UH, JUST IF, IF I MAY AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL YIELD RIGHT BACK TO YOU.

UH, JUST TWO QUESTIONS, RELATED QUESTIONS.

UM, IS THERE A PERCENTAGE SPLIT? RIGHT NOW IT'S 3.5.

SORRY, SORRY, GUYS.

RIGHT NOW IT'S 3.5 AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A MILLION YEAH.

SOMETHING SO IS, BUT IS THERE A DESIGNATED SPLIT BETWEEN, UM, WHAT THE MUSICIANS AND INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS BUCKET IS GETTING VERSUS IS IT IT HOW IT BEFORE 75, 25, 70 30, WHAT IS IT? YES, IT'S, IT'S WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR.

SO IT'S JUST THOSE CA CATEGORIES, BUT THE VENUES WERE NOT IN LAST YEAR.

SO IF WE TAKE A, A POOL OF HOT TAXES, WHAT PART OF THAT IS, UM, UH, MUSICIANS AND, UH, INDEPENDENT, 3.5, 3.5 FOR PROMOTERS AND MUSICIANS DEDICATED TO THEM, AND 1 MILLION DEDICATED TO VENUES, PERIOD.

THAT'S ABOUT 75% OR 70 SOMETHING.

IS THAT, IS THAT, UH, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE EXPECT THAT POOL TO CHANGE OVER THE YEARS, IS THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES VERSUS A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

UM, IT'S JUST BASED ON WHAT THE MOST IMP, IMPACTFUL GRANT IS FOR THAT, THOSE, UH, ELIGIBILITY CATEGORIES.

AND THEN YES, THEY WILL BE BIGGER GRANTS.

SO THERE WILL BE LESS GRANTS.

THERE'LL BE LESS AGREEMENTS.

AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING.

IT'S A BETTER INVESTMENT.

SORRY.

UH, ERICA, WHAT I MEANT TO SAY WAS THE, THE POOL MIGHT INCREASE OVER THE YEARS, RIGHT? SO, UH, THE HOT TAX, IT COULD BE, YEAH, EVERY YEAR WE'LL HAVE A NEW BUDGET ALLOCATION.

THIS IS JUST FY 24, RIGHT? IS THERE, IS THERE A DETERMINATION ON THE PERCENTAGE RIGHT NOW? OR WAS THIS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DETERMINED THE, THE SPLIT WAS ONE QUESTION.

AND, AND TO, TO COMMISSIONER GO'S POINT, I THINK IT IS, IT IS VERY OBVIOUS THAT THE ELIGIBLE USERS FOR THE VENUES HAS EXPANDED FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE BEFORE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ALLUDING TO.

BECAUSE EARLIER WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, THE IDEA WAS THAT THE VENUES PREDOMINANTLY USE THE DOLLARS TO BOOK, UH, TO PAY LOCAL ARTISTS.

SO THAT'S WHY, UM, I MEAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT HOW THAT HAS EXPANDED AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, IF THAT'S A GOOD THING OR NOT, OR, OR HOW THAT HELPS THE ECOSYSTEM AS TO HOW WE ARE POINTING OUT.

UH, SO DEFINITELY, UH, I CAN ALSO SEE THE VALUE IN THAT.

BUT WHAT SHE'S CLEARLY ALLUDING TO, AND WHAT I ALSO UNDERSTOOD FROM THE EARLIER RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE PREDOMINANTLY 85, 90% SPENT ON PAYING MUSICIANS AT THE, AT THE CITY RATE.

SO OBVIOUSLY THAT AS PROBABLY COMING OUT OF YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE VENUES, UH, HAS EXPANDED.

UH, YEAH.

'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T PRESENTED YOU GUYS A DRAFT WITH THAT.

YES.

AND IT IS DIFFERENT FROM HOW WE UNDERSTOOD IT, AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT HAD INITIALLY WAS OUR FIRST, THIS IS OUR, WE'RE SHOWING THIS TO YOU GUYS FOR THE FIRST TIME, SO YEAH.

YEAH.

AND IT IS BASED ON WHAT DID WE LEARN AND WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED NOT ONLY THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS, BUT ALL FUNDING PROGRAMS OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY IMPACTFUL AND HELPFUL FOR BUSINESSES.

UM, AND TRULY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THE DECISION TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY WHERE THEY NEED IT AND JUST TRUST THAT THEY WILL, I TRUST THAT VENUES WILL USE THIS MONEY TO, TO PAY MUSICIANS AS THEY WILL OTHER THINGS IN ORDER TO HAVE THEIR VENUE STAY OPEN.

SO WE ARE, WE ARE OBVIOUSLY BASING THIS ON TRUST AS WE WOULD WITH INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS AND, UH, UH, MUSICIANS AS WELL ON THAT.

THEY, THEY SPEND IT ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT.

ELIGIBLE EXPENSES.

AND THEY, BUT THERE IS, AGAIN, TO COMMISSIONER GOULD'S POINT, THERE IS NOTHING IN THERE THAT REALLY BINDS THE VENUES TO SPEND THE DOLLAR ON ONLY LIKE, OR ON MUSICIANS AT ANY LEVEL, WHETHER, WHETHER THAT'S 20% OF THE FUNDS

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THAT THEY'RE GETTING, OR 80%, THERE IS NOTHING THAT'S BINDING THERE ANYMORE.

MM-HMM.

, UH, THAT SAYS THAT VENUES NEED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEND X AMOUNT OF THESE GRANTS FOR LOCAL MUSICIAN PAY.

MM-HMM.

THAT I, THAT'S OUT.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S OUT, IT'S JUST WE WERE, WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE FLEXIBILITY OF THIS AND GET THE DATA AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

UM, I, I MEAN, TO SAY THAT'S OUT OF THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS.

YEAH.

YEAH.

YEAH.

BECAUSE THIS IS A, A ORGANIC PROGRAM THAT IS EVOLVING YEAR OVER YEAR BASED ON WHAT WE LEARN.

AND, UM, I THINK THERE, IT DEFINITELY A DIALOGUE IS WORTH IT, OF COURSE.

BUT, UM, WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT THIS VERY DIFFICULT TIME FOR ALL OF US IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY, TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORT NECESSARY TO REALLY HELP ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES, WHETHER YOU'RE A MUSICIAN OR A VENUE, TO BE ABLE TO REALLY GET AHEAD FINALLY AND CATCH UP AND PAY EACH OTHER WELL.

UH, BECAUSE THIS, THERE ARE VENUE RENTALS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE PROMOTER, UH, AND MUSICIAN BUCKET.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T PUT ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS ON THAT EITHER.

AND SO THIS WAS REALLY TO ALLOW FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A FLEXIBLE INVESTMENT THAT PROMOTES AUSTIN AS A TOURIST DESTINATION, AND, UM, AND ALSO HAVE MORE IMPACTFUL INVESTMENTS THROUGH LARGER GRANTS.

AND SO BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARING, NOT JUST FROM VENUES, BUT FROM MUSICIANS AND LIKE, THIS WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD, WE ALSO DO THIS.

SO GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY ALLOWED IN THE STATUTE, DO THE TRAINING IN TERMS OF THE EQUITY AND WHAT WE WANNA SEE IN THE LONG TERM OF A DIVERSE AUSTIN MUSIC SCENE.

UH, BUT ALSO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

AND THEN START MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THE DATA THAT COMES IN OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND TWEAK.

WE ARE TRUSTING THIS TO MORE ORGANICALLY EVOLVE AND SEE WHAT DATA WE GET BASED ON THAT DETERMINE HOW WE WANNA FASHION THIS IN THE FUTURE IS, YEAH.

UM, COMMISSIONER, GO.

SORRY.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I THINK, UH, IF IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, UM, AND I, I STILL, UH, IT IS THE WAY IT'S BEING PRESENTED RIGHT NOW, IT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A REQUIREMENT OF PAYING MUSICIANS THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY, BUT THERE'S NOT, IT'S NOT CLARIFIED WHEN THAT'S REQUIRED AND WHEN THAT ISN'T REQUIRED.

AND WHAT I, WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS THAT THE VENUES WILL GET THESE GRANT FUNDING AND WILL HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE TOTALLY LEGITIMATE NEEDS FOR THEIR SPACE, UM, FOR THEIR BUSINESS, UM, FOR THEIR INTERNAL WORKINGS.

UM, AND THEN THEY'LL STILL CONTINUE HIRING MUSICIANS WITH, YOU KNOW, THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THESE GUARANTEES THEY'RE LAUGHABLE, LAUGHABLY LOW.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WON'T, THAT THOSE FUNDS WON'T ACTUALLY, THAT NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN TERMS OF, OF MUSICIAN COMPENSATION IN THESE PLACES, WHICH IS AN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING SO ESSENTIAL THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW? AND I FEEL LIKE IF THERE'S ANOTHER THING IS THAT I THINK PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS, THIS STANDARD RATE OF PAY OF 200 AN HOUR PER MUSICIAN, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.

I WILL NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.

PLEASE, EVERYBODY COME UP TO THAT LEVEL THAT WILL BE GREAT AND BEYOND, BUT IT IS JUST NOT PRACTICAL FOR MOST VENUE, LIKE PUBLIC FACING VENUES, CLUBS.

IT IS JUST NOT PRACTICAL FOR THEM TO PAY THAT RATE TO EVERY SINGLE MUSICIAN FOR EVERY SINGLE SHOW.

SO, LIKE, CAN WE, IT, IT, I WORRY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE EITHER LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CHERRY PICK A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, THESE SHOWS ARE, ARE THE GRANT FUNDED SHOWS AND THESE, THESE HANDFUL OF MUSICIANS ARE GONNA GET PAID THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS GREAT RATE, AND THEN THE REST OF THE MUSICIANS ARE GONNA BE OFFERED THIS.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF YOU'RE LUCKY, 200 FOR THE WHOLE BAND, 250 FOR THE WHOLE BAND, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEE.

AND SO THERE'S LIKE THIS LIKE HUGE DISPARITY THAT IN THE WAY THAT MUSICIANS ARE GETTING PAID CONCURRENTLY THAT HA THAT EXISTS.

BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE EVEN MORE OF THAT.

UM, AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, WHAT, HOW CAN WE CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE? HOW CAN WE AVOID CREATING A, A WIDER GULF IN THE WAY MUSICIANS ARE GETTING PAID AND NOW IN PUBLIC VENUES WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO ALL KIND OF BE IN THE SAME BOAT OF LIKE, WELL, WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE GIGS THAT WE DO FOR ALL OF THE OTHER REASONS BESIDES MAKING

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MONEY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHAT, HOW DO WE FIX THIS? YEAH.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I MEAN, THE VENUES ARE BASICALLY TELL US WHAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE ASK THEM, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEND THIS MONEY ON? AND THAT'S IN THEIR PRO, YOU KNOW, THEIR, WHEN THEY'RE GETTING THE AGREEMENT TOGETHER, THEY HAVE TO KIND OF SAY 50% UPFRONT OR 40%, YOU HAVE TO TELL US WHAT ARE YOU GONNA BE SPENDING IT ON? IF THEY SAY, I'M SPENDING IT ON LOCAL MUSICIANS PAY FOR THE YEAR, THEN THAT'S ALL THEY CAN SHOW US AS THEY GO.

IT MAY CHANGE THE NEXT TIME.

LIKE, OKAY, THIS, THIS TIME I PAID ALL MUSICIANS, AND THE NEXT TIME I'M TELLING YOU HOW I'M GONNA SPEND THE NEXT 40%.

IT COULD BE HALF RENT, HALF MUSICIANS.

AND SO WE WANNA GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADD THAT TO THEIR LIST OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WOULD USE THE GRANT FUND.

SO IF THEY SAY MUSICIANS, WE DON'T LOOK AT THE SHOW DATES.

IT WOULD BE LIKE, SHOW US THE CANCEL CHECKS TO THE MUSICIANS PAYING THE STANDARD RATE UP TO THE POINT OF THE GRANT, YOU KNOW, CEILING.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S JUST PRACTICAL.

THAT'S HOW WE LOOK AT THE GRANTS THAT MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SPENDING THE ALLOWABLE EXPENSES THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD.

UM, AND SO THAT'S HOW IT WOULD RUN IN A PRACTICAL SENSE.

UH, IF WE'RE OF COURSE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE VENUES PAY MUSICIANS.

UM, BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO BALANCE THAT, UH, WITH JUST THE NEEDS OF ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF HOW THESE FUNDS COULD BE REALLY IMPACTFUL, WHICH IS TRULY TO LIFT US ALL UP.

AND SO I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO DEFINITELY DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION'S IDEAS FOR WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT FROM A, JUST A PERSPECTIVE OF HOW WE SEE A GREAT INVESTMENT GOING FORWARD, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS FLEXIBILITY.

AND IF IT DOES END UP WHERE IT'S THAT IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANNA SEE, WE HAVE THE DATA TO BACK THAT UP TO REALLY GO AND TWEAK THE GUIDELINES AS WE GO.

UM, BUT MY SENSE IS, AS WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH VENUES, IS THAT THEY ARE EXCITED TO USE THE FUNDS FOR ARTIST GUARANTEES.

AND SO IF THEY LIST THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, THAT'S WHAT THEY SPEND IT ON.

OKAY.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY FURTHER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

THE VENUES ARE DECIDING WHETHER, SO IF THE VENUE SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, I'D LIKE TO USE ALL OF THESE FUNDS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSES WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THEIR INTERNAL EXPENSES AND NOT MARKETING WHATEVER, AND NOT FOR MUSICIAN PAY.

SO WE, THERE'S NO PROVISION TO, TO HOLD THEM TO ANY STANDARD OF MUSICIAN PAY.

THEY CAN STILL RECEIVE THESE GRANT FUNDS AND USE IT HOWEVER THEY LIKE WITHIN THOSE ALLOWABLE EXPENSES, AND THEY CAN DIS THEY CAN LEAVE MUSICIAN, UH, GUARANTEES OFF IF THEY WANT.

IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? AND THERE'S NO WHERE WITHIN THIS CURRENT CREATION, THEY HAVE THE SAME KIND OF, THERE'S NO HOLDING THEM TO A STANDARD.

IT IS THE SAME FLEXIBILITY AS ALL ELIGIBILITY GROUPS.

THIS IS OUR SUGGESTIONS FOR A FIRST, BUT IS IT NOT FOR THE, FOR THE MUSICIANS AND THE PROMOTERS AND ALL THE OTHER GROUPS, YOU HAVE TO PAY ALL OF THE MUSICIANS THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY FOR YOUR PROGRAMS, RIGHT.

FOR THE OTHER OF THE GRANT AMOUNT.

SO IT'D BE THE SAME 'CAUSE A MUSICIAN COULD DO A LOT MORE SHOWS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH TONS OF PEOPLE THAT THE GRANT DOESN'T COVER, BECAUSE THE GRANT ONLY COVERS WHATEVER IS AWARDED.

AND SO IT FROM, YEAH.

SO WHAT I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S, THIS IS NOT, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, YOU'RE ASKING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THE MUSICIANS AND THE PROMOTERS THAN YOU ARE FROM THE VENUES, THE MUSICIANS AND THE PROMOTERS WITHIN THEIR, THEIR GRANT USES OF THE GRANT FUNDING.

THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PAY THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY WITHIN THE VENUES.

YOU ARE SAYING THEY CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANNA USE THE MONEY ON THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY OR NOT THEIR CHOICE, WHICH I FEEL IS NOT FAIR.

NO, THEY'RE BOTH, THIS GRANTS, IF YOU ARE USING THE GRANTS TO PAY SOMEBODY, WE NEED TO SEE THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY.

UH, RIGHT.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE THE GRANTS TO PAY SOMEBODY, COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN USE THE GRANTS FOR OTHER THINGS.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONER GOES THERE.

IT'S LIKE THAT FOR EVERYBODY.

YEAH.

I THINK, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING BINDING, ESSENTIALLY THAT IS, UH, REQUIRING, UH, VENUES TO PAY MUSICIANS, UH, OR USE ANY PART OF THE FUNDS TO PAY MUSICIANS.

OR IF SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE.

'CAUSE UH, MUSICIANS COULD, UH, APPLY TO, I'M GOING TO RECORD MY RECORD AND GET A BUNCH OF RECORDS, UH, PRESSED.

IT'S THE SAME.

THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS WE'RE FUNDING THAT, UH, DON'T INVOLVE DIRECT PAYMENTS TO MUSICIANS ALREADY.

AND SO IT, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, COMMISSIONER GOLD AND IT'S, I, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO THINK ON IT AND COME BACK TO US IF YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT.

BUT TO LOOK AT

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THE BROADER, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS LIKE THAT ON THE MUSICIANS AND PROMOTERS.

THEY COULD SPEND THE MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE MUSICIANS AS WELL.

SO BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE ARE ALLOWING BROAD USERS FOR INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS AND MUSICIANS.

SO WE HAVE EXPANDED THE USES FOR, UH, FOR VENUES AS WELL AS WE BRING THEM IN.

UH, THEN WHAT OUR PRIOR UNDERSTANDING WAS, I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, YEAH.

UH, COMMISSIONER GOLD, UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, I THINK, UH, WE, WE CAN, UM, UH, SEE WHAT, WHAT OTHER REACTIONS WE MAY HAVE FROM, UH, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND, UH, AND KIND OF REFLECT ON THAT FURTHER.

THERE'S ONE MORE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY.

IF PLEASE GO AHEAD.

I MAY PLEASE, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

ABSOLUTELY.

OH, PLEASE.

YEAH, I'D LOVE TO HEAR EVERYBODY ELSE'S THOUGHTS, BUT JUST THE PRIME, THE, THE, THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE I SEE IS MUSIC VENUES ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE HIRING MUSICIANS, BECAUSE THAT IS THE POINT OF A MUSIC VENUE, RIGHT? SO A MUSICIAN CAN BE HAVING THESE PROJECTS, THEY COULD BE DOING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS WITH IT, BUT A MUSIC VENUE BY DEFINITION IS ALWAYS GONNA BE HIRING MUSICIANS.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE LIKE, THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF WHAT THEY DO.

SO I FEEL LIKE IT IS NOT FAIR TO NOT HOLD THEM TO ANY SORT OF STANDARD RATE OF PAY OR TO GIVE, TO MAKE THAT A CHOICE ON THEIR BEHALF, BECAUSE THEY ARE A MUSIC VENUE.

THEY HIRE MUSICIANS.

IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THERE AREN'T ANY MUSICIANS COMING TO PLAY THERE, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS MODEL.

SO THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.

I SPEAK, UM, COULD I, UH, COULD I PLEASE SEE THE SCREEN? I DON'T KNOW.

UH, UH, IS THIS COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND? YEAH, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

UM, OKAY.

YEAH.

UH, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, I'LL, UH, I'LL GET TO YOU NEXT.

UH, SO A, A, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

NUMBER NUMBER ONE, UH, THIS IS, I, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY THE LAST FOUR MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE FOR US TO GET IN A WORKING GROUP AND ACTUALLY DISCUSS ALL THESE THINGS EXACTLY THE WAY WE DID WITH THE FIRST ROUND OF LIVE MUSIC FUND WHEN IT ROLLED OUT.

IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S BEING TOLD TO US WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF HAVING TO KIND OF DEAL WITH IT AFTER THE FACT, AND THEN WE HAVE TO SIT HERE AND DISCUSS IT INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, BEING IN A WORKING GROUP, BRINGING VENUES TO THE TABLE, ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT AND, AND COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS AND SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE VENUES ACTUALLY WANT.

IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS CAN'T DO THAT.

IT'S JUST ALSO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE ON YOUR PLATE, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY HAS THIS COMMISSION ALREADY DONE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO DO.

AND IT, IT SEEMS, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT, IT PUT, I, I BELIEVE IT PUTS THIS ENTIRE BODY HERE AT A, AT A PRETTY AWKWARD POSITION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KIND OF DISCUSS THIS SORT OF ON THE FLY WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING BEFOREHAND.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, THIS SCREWS OVER MUSICIANS FULL STOP.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE ONLY THING, EVEN IF THE VENUES ARE REQUIRED TO PAY THE, THE, THE, THE, THE RATE, I MEAN, EVEN IF THEY DO END UP PAYING IT, IF THEY HAVE THE EXPENSES TO PAY IT OR WHATEVER THE, THE STANDARD RATE FOR MUSICIANS, WELL, I MEAN, IF IT'S A 400 OCCUPANCY VENUE AND 400 PEOPLE SHOW UP AND IT'S $25 A TICKET, WELL THAT'S $10,000.

AND THEN YOU TAKE AN 80% SPLIT ON THAT, THAT'S $8,000.

SO THAT'S $8,000, AND THE VENUE'S ONLY REQUIRED TO PAY $2,000.

IF IT'S $200 AND IT'S, AND IT'S FIVE PEOPLE ON THE STAGE SO THAT THE, THE, WHAT WHAT IT SHOULD BE IS THERE SHOULD BE AN OFFER SHEET THAT'S, THAT LISTS THE SPLIT OR VERSUS DEAL, AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THREE MONTHS, THAT YOU'RE UNDER CONTRACT AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS.

AND IF YOU MAKE THAT MONEY, AND BY BRINGING THESE PEOPLE IN WITH THESE TICKETS, THEN YOU GET THAT MONEY FROM THE VENUE AND YOU GET THE MONEY ON TOP FROM WHAT YOU SHOULD BE PAY WITH YOUR GUARANTEE.

THAT'S CALLED POINTS.

MM-HMM.

.

AND THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN WHEN, UH, THESE VENUES ARE, YOU KNOW, PROMOTING THE SHOWS.

ALSO, IT'S ALSO REQUIRED THAT, YOU KNOW, ARTISTS HAVE TO PROMOTE THESE SHOWS TOO.

SO IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO, BASED ON WHAT THIS IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S GONNA BE, WELL, WE BROUGHT THESE PEOPLE IN AND SO WE'RE TAKING THE MONEY, OR WE'RE BRINGING THESE PEOPLE IN, SO WE'RE TAKING THE MONEY, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF STANDARD DEAL WITH THESE GRANTS THAT THESE VINEYARDS ARE GETTING THAT

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SAY YOU ARE GETTING THE MONEY THAT FROM THESE TICKETED SHOWS, A PERCENTAGE OF THAT MONEY PLUS THE GUARANTEED GRANT MONEY, PERIOD, FULL STOP, END OF STORY NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER THREE, THE, UM, THERE'S, THAT'S, IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY TO BE AWARDED FOR, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR EVERYBODY, MY OPINION, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M SAYING THIS NOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THESE MEETINGS ABOUT THIS, AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST KIND OF TALKING ON THE FLY.

IT'S, IT'S THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE TOO MANY MUSICIANS.

THERE'S GONNA BE TOO MANY INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS.

THERE'S GONNA BE TOO MANY SMALLER VENUES THAT ARE LEFT OUT OF THE POT, PERIOD.

NUMBER THREE, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT VENUES CAN'T JUST TACK ON THESE EXTRA MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES AND JUSTIFY THEIR EXPENSES AND SAY, HEY, WELL WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE A CLEANING FEE AND A THIS FEE AND A THAT FEE AND A, THIS FEE, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, ACT ONTO THAT OFFER SHEET IN PRISM, AND THEN THEY JUST POCKET THAT MONEY.

BUT THEY COULD JUST, THEY CAN LITERALLY JUST MAKE UP ANYTHING THAT THEY WANNA MAKE UP.

AND THERE'S NO OVERHEAD, THERE'S NO OVERSIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT ANY OF THAT STUFF AT ALL.

FURTHERMORE, NONPROFITS 5 0 1 C THREES SHOULD NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS.

5 0 1 C THREES ARE NOT PROMOTERS.

5 0 1 C THREES ARE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE AT A FULL ON ADVANTAGE FROM THE MUSICIAN THAT'S GOING FOR THE EXACT SAME GRANT.

NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS HAVE ACCESS, THEY HAVE GRANT WRITERS, THEY HAVE ACT, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TONS OF MONEY COMING IN.

SOMEONE THAT'S GETTING $150,000 GRANT FROM HEB SHOULD NOT BE APPLYING FOR, YOU KNOW, A LIVE MUSIC FUND ON THE SIDE OF A, OF, OF, OF A MUSICIAN.

THAT'S JUST THAT, THAT THEY'RE, THE MUSICIAN'S GONNA LOSE HANDOVER FIST EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I THINK WE NONPROFITS DRAWING BOARD WITH IT.

UH, THANKS SCOTT.

UH, UH, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, THE COMM, UH, NONPROFITS OF THAT SIZE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO APPLY.

AGAIN, IT'S INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS OF ONLY THREE OR LESS.

UM, AND THERE WE COULD HAVE STAFF OF THREE OR LESS.

AND SO THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF NONPROFITS THAT DO PROMOTION, THAT IT'S JUST ONE PERSON.

UH, ALSO THERE ARE BANDS THAT ARE NONPROFITS A LOT IN CLASSICAL MUSIC, AND SO THEY WERE ELIGIBLE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT LAST YEAR.

YEAH.

I, I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE A SINGLE ENTITY NONPROFIT THAT IS ALSO A 5 0 1 C3 WITH A BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON IT.

YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT, AND YOU CAN STILL GO AFTER THOSE EXACT SAME GRANTS.

YOU CAN HIRE SOME GRANT WRITER AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CAN GO AFTER THE SAME MONEY THAT THESE VIGOR NONPROFITS CAN GO AFTER, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS THAT THEY CAN JUSTIFY THEM DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THIS MONEY.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE, THEY SHOULDN'T, I MEAN, OR AT LEAST THIS BUCKET OF MONEY.

THE SAME AS MUSICIANS.

YEAH.

IF I MAY, UM, I THINK, UH, SO FAR, IF YOU CAN JUST QUICKLY EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF EVEN COMING UP WITH THE IDEA WITH THE CRITERIA FOR, UH, VENUE ELIGIBILITY.

I THINK IT'S BEEN IN CONVERSATION MM-HMM.

WITH IN SOME SESSIONS THAT YOU'VE RUN WITH, UH, THE VENUES.

RIGHT.

AND, AND BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, I MEAN, UH, I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE IS INTEREST IN, IN, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, FORMING A SHORT-TERM WORKING GROUP AND, AND HAVING, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKING THIS CRITERIA THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US TODAY AND HAVING, UH, THE, THE DUE DISCUSSIONS AROUND IT, UH, UH, AND, AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO FROM THERE, I THINK, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEEK FURTHER INTEREST ON THE COMMISSION ON THAT FRONT.

UH, ERICA, IF YOU COULD PLEASE.

YEAH.

SO BASICALLY WE TRY TO MAKE THE GUIDELINES, THEY DON'T CHANGE VERY MUCH.

IT'S JUST REALLY WHAT IS BEING SCORED, AND WE'RE ALLOWING FOR MORE ALLOWABLE EXPENSES AROUND TOURS.

UM, THE MONEY STAYS THE SAME.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PROGRAM FOR PROMOTERS AND MUSICIANS WITH THE SAME POOL.

THE VENUE PORTION IS A SEPARATE NEW PORTION OF THE BUDGET THAT IS DEDICATED TO, UH, THE GRANT.

AND THESE AS APPLES AND ORANGES.

THESE ARE NOT THE SAME TYPES OF ENTITIES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMPACTFUL INVESTMENT.

AND ALSO THE CITY CAN'T REALLY DICTATE TO YOU GUYS WHAT TO DO, LIKE, HOW TO RUN YOUR BUSINESSES IN TERMS OF LIKE, YOU CAN ONLY PLAY THIS MUSIC, UH, FOR VENUES.

WE REALLY DON'T WANNA SAY, THIS IS HOW YOU NEED TO GO AND SET UP YOUR DEALS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, BROAD.

SO IT CAN BE USED THE MOST IMPACTFUL WAY SO THAT WE CAN SEE AN OVERALL MARKETING, UM, COMPONENT TO ALL OF THE SPENDS.

AND SO THAT WE DO SEE MUSICIANS GETTING PAID THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY.

WE HAVE LOTS OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE PAID MUSICIANS THIS LAST YEAR.

WE EXPECT TO, BECAUSE WE'VE DONE ENGAGEMENT WITH VENUES AS STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS TO GO TALK TO THE DIFFERENT GROUPS, LEARN FROM WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR TO MAKE AN IMPACTFUL INVESTMENT FOR

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OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE'VE HEARD FROM VENUES THAT THEY WOULD PAY MUSICIANS THE STANDARD RATE OF PAY.

NOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE TO EVEN DEDICATE ALL OF THE FUNDS TO, YOU KNOW, MUSICIAN GUARANTEES, THAT'S NO, WE CAN'T SAY THAT'S GONNA COVER THEIR ENTIRE YEAR.

AND THAT BECAUSE THEY GOT THAT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO IN THEIR BUSINESS.

THESE ARE INVESTMENTS, UM, OF AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE AT THIS TIME WITH WHERE THE BUDGET IS AT, UH, AND PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY, UH, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE STATUTE, UH, AND SEE A GREAT MARKETING BLEND.

AND JUST SEE HOW THIS ALL WORKS OUT.

THE DATA IS STILL COMING IN FROM THE FIRST YEAR.

WE'D WANNA GET DATA FROM THIS YEAR, UH, TO SEE HOW THESE INVESTMENTS WORK.

AND I WANNA SAY THAT BY FOCUSING ON WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE DOING IN TERMS OF SCORING, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OF WHAT'S SO DIFFERENT FROM NON-PROFITS AND THE CULTURAL ARTS FUND FROM THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, IS THAT THINGS CHANGE, DATES GET CANCELED, YOU HAVE TO MOVE VENUES.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE SCORED FOR SPECIFICS THAT WERE PROMISED IN TERMS OF WE'RE GONNA USE THIS MUSICIAN AT THIS VENUE, AND YOU GET SCORED FOR IT.

BUT THINGS CH HAPPEN ALL THE TIME AND THINGS CHANGE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED IS TO TAKE THE ONUS OF THE SCORING OFF OF WHAT EXACTLY IT IS AND REALLY FOCUS ON THE TRAINING AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE COME BACK TO US AND THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT, WHICH IS THE EQUITY STRATEGIC PLANS, THE GREAT MARKETING PLANS AND INVESTMENT TO PAY WELL TO EACH OTHER.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S VENUE RENTAL FEES OR IF IT'S ARTIST GUARANTEES WITH THE VENUES, WITH THE VENUES.

AND OVER TIME EVERYTHING IS LIFTED UP.

SO THOSE, THE PAY GOES UP ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THESE, FOR-PROFIT COMPANIES, DIRECTOR, HOL WRAP.

THANK YOU.

ERICA.

S NOVI, HOLT WRAP, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

AND I WANNA THANK ERICA FOR HER WORK, BUT I WOULD ALSO, UH, SUGGEST WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A WORKING GROUP SO THAT WE CAN SIT DOWN AND WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE VENUES, POSSIBLY BRING IN TWO OR THREE KEY SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR FROM THEM, SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOUR SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE COULD TWEAK THE GUIDELINES QUICKLY AND THEN BE ABLE TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO ROLL THIS OUT AFTER NEXUS.

SO I APPRECIATE, I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING, LAUREN, I'VE HEARD YOU.

I, I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS, BUT LET US, UM, DEFINITELY DO THAT WORKING GROUP BECAUSE, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS TONIGHT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE WANNA GET THIS RIGHT AS WE BRING IN THE VENUES IN THIS NEXT ROUND.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DIRECTOR.

UM, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, UH, IS, IS IT OKAY IF I MOVE TO ANOTHER COMMISSIONER? DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, PATTERSON.

THANKS.

SO I, I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE, UH, THE IDEA OF, OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION MEETING, POSSIBLY IN A WORKING GROUP MEETING.

UM, BUT I'M TRYING TO, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THE, THE $60,000 AMOUNT, UM, MAXIMUM AMOUNT FOR THE VENUES, HOW THAT WAS ARRIVED AT, UM, IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT VENUES MIGHT SPEND VERSUS, LIKE, I'M THINKING ABOUT AN IN, LIKE AN INDEPENDENT PROMOTER WHO'S MAYBE TRYING TO PUT ON A FESTIVAL, I THINK COULD ALSO WOULD INCUR A LOT OF EXPENSES, INCLUDING LIKE VENUE RENTAL.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, SO, AND I, I KNOW THESE ARE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE KIND OF, UH, THAT AN INDEPENDENT PROMOTER ON WHAT A VENUE MIGHT BE DOING IS DIFFERENT.

UM, BUT YEAH, SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS.

SO I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE, SO A INDEPENDENT PROMOTER COULD GET UP TO $30,000 AND A VENUE COULD GET UP TO $60,000.

SO I'M JUST MM-HMM, , I'M WONDERING WHAT THE STAFF IS IMAGINING, LIKE, OR FROM TALKING TO VENUES, WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, 30 K, LIKE, WHAT THEY MIGHT SPEND THAT ON.

SO WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

UH, ANY CREATIVE ORGANIZATION THAT ACTUALLY RENTS COMMERCIAL CREATIVE SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME INTO, THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL EXPENSES INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF RENT, UH, INSURANCE AND OTHER EXPENSES RELATED TO THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS IN COMPARISON TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A BRICKS AND MORTAR.

AND SO THE CSAP GRANTS HAVE BEEN $50,000 AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

WE ALREADY KNOW IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

WE'VE HEARD THAT FEEDBACK FROM VENUES AND OTHER CREATIVE SPACES FOR YEARS.

UM, AND SO KEEP IN MIND TOO, THAT CSAP IS GOING TO BE ROLLING OVER TO DIFFERENT

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TYPES OF EXPENSES.

SO YOU DON'T KIND OF SEE THE OVERLAP OF LIKE, WHAT THIS CAN COVER AND WHAT THE CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM CAN COVER.

AND PLUS THAT IS A SMALLER BUDGET THAT'S ALSO OPEN TO, FOR-PROFIT, I MEAN, NON-PROFIT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER TYPES OF, FOR-PROFIT CREATIVE SPACES.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA THAT SHOWS WHY, YOU KNOW, 60 IS A GOOD INVESTMENT NUMBER FOR A BUDGET WITH A LARGER BUDGET AND 30 FOR A SMALLER BUDGET.

UM, IT'S SHOCKING TO SEE THE RISE IN COSTS, UH, HAPPENING.

I MEAN, IT'S EVERY