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[00:00:04]

40 4:00 PM

[CALL TO ORDER]

MONDAY, MARCH 4TH, AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE MUSIC COMMISSION TO ORDER.

UH, WE HAVE,

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

UH, JEANNIE RAMIREZ IN, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS.

PLEASE GO AHEAD, MS. RAMIREZ, MS. RAMIREZ, UH, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.

UH, MS. MARIA RAMIREZ, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE AND THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.

THANK YOU.

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? HELLO? YES, WE CAN.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, UH, HI, I'M JEANNIE RAMIREZ, AND, UH, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING I'M GONNA SPEAK ABOUT THAT'S GONNA BE UNCOMFORTABLE BUT NECESSARY, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK VERY FAST.

UM, ON JULY THE 20, JULY, 2023, UM, AT A PROTEST MEETING FOR SOUTH BY AGAINST, SOUTH BY, UH, I MET NAVAL.

AND, UM, I TOLD HER I WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT EQ, AND SHE GOT MY PHONE NUMBER, NEVER HEARD FROM HER.

UH, FAST FORWARD OCTOBER, 2023, I CALLED GAVIN GARCIA, WHO'S THE FOUNDER OF EQ AND NEVER HEARD FROM HIM.

DECEMBER 7TH.

I MENTIONED, UH, THIS IN THE MEETING THAT I SPOKE OUT TO YOU GUYS FOR ANYBODY ON THE PANEL AND NAVAL, AND FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, NAVAL IS THE HEAD CHAIR OF EQ, AND IT'S A NONPROFIT RUN BY A LATINO CALLED GAVIN GARCIA, WHO SUPPOSED THEIR MISSION STATEMENT, YOU HAVE TO GO ONLINE AND READ IT.

IT'S VERY LONG, BUT IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

AND IT SAYS, MISSION SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA INSERT DIVERSITY, COMPASSION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

WELL, THEN I ENDED UP EVEN EMAILING THIS WEBSITE.

UH, WHEN YOU EMAIL A NONPROFIT, YOU GET A NEWSLETTER, YOU GET, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SHAKA IS ON RIGHT NOW, BUT SHAKA, I WANNA THANK YOU BECAUSE YOUR NONPROFIT, WHEN I SIGNED UP, YOU SEND ME INFORMATION, YOU'VE INVITED ME TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, OR SOME THINGS GOING ON THAT'S GOING ON.

AND, UM, I THINK I EVEN APPLIED FOR A GRANT.

DIDN'T GET IT.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THE FACT THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, AND THE REASON I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT EQ IS BECAUSE IT'S RUN BY A LATINO AND I'M A LATINA, AND MY GUITAR PLAYER, MY DUET THAT WE'RE DOING IS LIKE, WE NEED, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO APPLY FOR GRANTS IF THEY HAD GRANTS FOR LIKE EQUIPMENT.

AND ALSO, AGAIN, I WANT Y'ALL TO LISTEN TO THESE DATES.

JULY, 2023, I, UM, WAS TOLD NAGA VALLEY WAS GONNA CALL ME AND, YOU KNOW, TALK TO ME ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MORE INTRODUCE MYSELF.

I DON'T KNOW HER AT ALL.

JUST KNOW FROM THE MEETING SHE SEEMED LIKE A VERY COOL PERSON.

BUT WHAT I'M GETTING FROM IS NOTHING, NOT US, NO COMMUNICATION, AND, AND YOU'RE THE HEAD CHAIR OF EQ AND COMM ME, THE COMMISSIONER, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE OF EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

NOT CALLING PEOPLE BACK, BUT IT'S PERCEPTION.

AND, AND THE THING ABOUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHY DO I HAVE TO FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO SAY SOMETIMES LATINOS AND NOT YOU, NAGA ABOUT, 'CAUSE YOU'RE THE HEAD CHAIR.

GAVIN GARCIA IS A LATINO, DON'T HELP LATINOS SOMETIMES.

AND WHEN YOU'RE A LATINA IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, IT'S SO DIFFICULT.

LIKE ANY WOMAN ADD BROWN SKIN TO YOUR, TO YOUR SITUATION.

IT'S RE IT'S REALLY HARD.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, ME AND NATALIE ARE GOING WHERE THE DOORS ARE OPEN.

WE WERE INVITED, UH, TO, UH, PLAY A SAHARA LOUNGE AT THE INDIE COMING UP MAY, UH, UH, UH, INDIE QUEER FEST, AND WE'RE SUPER STOKED ABOUT THAT.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE A MUSIC VIDEO COMING UP.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND, AND GET TO KNOW EQ BETTER, BECAUSE BY THIS TIME, POSSIBLY I COULD HAVE GOTTEN A SLOT FOR LIKE A SHOWCASE.

YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT YOUR SHOWCASES.

I LOVE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU DO HAVE ON THERE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S OPPORTUNITY HOARDING SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON THERE.

IT'S THE SAME OLD PEOPLE.

WHEN HAS AUSTIN BECOME SO PREDICTABLE IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY? THIS IS OUT OF CONTROL, AGAIN, PERCEPTION.

AND I HAVE NOTICED THAT, UM, THE PEOPLE Y'ALL PRO UP ON EQ ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE MANAGING.

AND, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S REALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE ARE YOU A NONPROFIT? ARE YOU A MANAGEMENT COMPANY? UH, MA'AM, YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP.

I APOLOGIZE.

UH, CAN I, IN CONCLUSION, SAY ANYTHING I WANNA SAY? I MEAN, CAN I FINISH IN CONCLUSION? UH, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

YOU WANT ME TO UNMUTE HER? UM, PLEASE ASK HER TO WRAP UP IN A MINUTE, BUT, UH, PLEASE GO AHEAD, LET HER COMPLETE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, MA'AM.

UM, PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, AND THEN YOU CAN WRAP UP YOUR STATEMENT.

THANK YOU.

ONE MINUTE, ONE MINUTE.

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MS. RAMIREZ, UH, I APOLOGIZE, I MUTED YOU EARLIER.

IF YOU COULD PRESS, UH, STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.

UH, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HEAR SOME FINAL COMMENTS FROM YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, COULD WE PLEASE SEND, UH, AN EMAIL OUT TO HER AND, UH, JUST REQUEST HER TO JUST, UH, COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY, UM, EITHER WITH STAFF OR ME DIRECTLY SINCE CIRCUM CONCERN IS WITH ME, AND I DON'T THINK I'M PARTICULARLY, HELLO? OKAY.

HELLO.

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, THOUGH.

I DO APPRECIATE THIS.

UM, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN HAS THIS UNDERBELLY WHERE SOME, NOT ALL LATINOS ARE NOT HELPING LATINOS.

AND, UM, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANT THIS TO CHANGE GUYS.

I, I, I'M SIX, I'M GONNA BE 61 THIS YEAR.

I TALKED TO Y'ALL ABOUT AGE.

I'M SUPER PROUD OF MY AGE AND STILL DOING IT, KICKING IT.

AND, UM, AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I WANT THINGS TO BE BETTER FOR LOWER PROFILE ARTISTS.

I'M GONNA KEEP ON ON THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU HAVE A NONPROFIT THAT'S RUN BY LATINOS THAT ARE NOT HELPING LATINOS, IT'S A PROBLEM.

AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT DAVE PRUITT, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF CAP SIZE, HAD A QUADRUPLE PAST SURGERY TODAY.

HE HAD DONE MORE TO THE MUSIC COMMUNITY THAT I, I GOT ON CAPSTAR FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 1996.

AND I, I GOT THE PERFORM, I DID THE NATHAN TRIBUTE IN JANUARY FOR NATHAN RIS, WHO PASSED AWAY THE MASSIVE HEART ATTACK.

AND, AND, AND DAVE PRUDE IS JUST AN OUTSTANDING, AMAZING MAN WHO HAS BEEN EVERYBODY'S MUSIC CHAMPION TO MAKE ME WANNA CRY.

HOW AMAZING HE'S AND THIS HAPPEN TO HIM.

JEAN JEANIE, JEANIE, I'M SO SORRY.

THIS IS SHELBY, BUT WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. RAMEZ.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, COMMISSION SINCE, UH, SINCE YOU MAY, OR YOU HAVE ENOUGH CONTEXT NOW, I GUESS, BUT, UH, SINCE I DON'T THINK I'M PARTICULARLY ALLOWED TO RESPOND BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, AM I IF, UH, OKAY.

UH, SO I WILL JUST, UM, IF ANYBODY'S CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, ME NOT CALLING SOMEBODY, PLEASE, UH, JUST, JUST REACH OUT AND I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.

BUT I WILL REACH OUT, I WILL REACH OUT AGAIN, UH, TO MS. RAMIREZ AND, UH, AND, UH, GO FROM THERE AND SEE HOW I CAN, UH, IN ANY WAY ADDRESS THE CONCERN SHE HAS.

UM, UH, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS HERE? PUBLIC COMMENTS? YEAH.

UM, MOVING ON, APPROVAL OF

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

MINUTES.

UH, WE HAD, UH, POSTPONED APPROVAL OF THE JANUARY 8TH MINUTES.

UH, SO, UH, IF SOMEBODY, IF YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES, IF SOMEBODY COULD PLEASE, UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE MUSIC COMMISSION MEETINGS ON JANUARY 8TH, 2024, AND FEBRUARY 5TH, 2024.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.

ALRIGHT, UH, WE HAVE MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.

UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, WERE THE FEBRUARY MINUTES INCLUDE? I COULDN'T FIND THEM ATTACHED.

DID OTHER PEOPLE FIND THEM? OH, SORRY.

I LOOKED FROM THEM ON THE EMAIL EARLIER AND I DIDN'T SEE HIM.

WELL, WE'LL PAUSE FOR A MOMENT TILL THE, SORRY.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO GLANCE THROUGH THE MINUTES, UH, PLEASE DO.

AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

YEAH, OF COURSE.

UM, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER KA, JANUARY AND, UH, FEB.

FEB FIVE VOTE BOTH OF THEM .

ALL RIGHT.

ANY, UH, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, UH, TAKE A VOTE? ANYBODY ONLINE? ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR? THE, I I WASN'T IN FEBRUARY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE, UM, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, UM, IN FAVOR, COMMISSIONER MAHO, UH, COMMISSIONER GOULD, MYSELF, UH, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, COMMISSIONER DAVILA COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, CASADA.

SO THE MOTION, UH, IS APPROVED.

MOVING

[2. Presentation on Black Artists and Professional Creatives Registry by Harold McMillan, Founder/President, East Austin Creative Coalition.]

ON, UH, TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GUESTS HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE DECIDED TO MOVE THE DISCUSSION ITEMS UP AND, UH, HAVE THE STAFF BREEDING BRIEFINGS AFTERWARDS.

UH, SO, UH, THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM HERE IS PRESENTATION

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ON BLACK ARTISTS AND PROFESSIONAL CREATIVES REGISTRY BY HAROLD MCMILLAN, FOUNDER PRESIDENT EAST AUSTIN CREATIVE COALITION.

UH, DO WE HAVE MR. MCMILLAN ONLINE? I, UH, I SEE HIM THERE.

YOU COULD PLEASE BRING HIM IN.

THANK YOU, MR. MCMILLAN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

I DON'T KNOW IF MY CAMERA, THE SYSTEM TODAY, BUT I JUST CLICKED IT ON.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

UH, MIGHT I GO AHEAD AND PROCEED? I CLICKED IT ON.

IT'S JUST NOT SHOWING UP.

YES, GO AHEAD.

YOU'RE GOOD.

UM, GOOD EVENING.

I, I THINK I PROBABLY KNOW MOST OF YOU.

MY NAME IS HAROLD, UH, , DIRECTOR OF, UH, EAST AUSTIN CREATIVE COALITION.

THE LAST TIME THAT I SPOKE IN FRONT OF THIS GROUP, I THINK, UH, WAS PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON, UM, A DRAFT OF A RESOLUTION THAT WE WERE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL TO GET SOME MORE ATTENTION TO THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL HERITAGE DISTRICT AND TRY TO, UH, PUSH ALONG SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO COME ALONG, UH, WITH THE DISTRICT, INCLUDING, UH, SOME DEVELOPMENT EAST 11TH STREET.

AND THAT, UH, LEGISLATION ENDED UP PASSING, PASSING IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021.

AND I'VE BASICALLY BEEN TRYING TO GET THE ORGANIZATION UP AND RUNNING, UH, IN THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE, UH, WITH A REQUEST FOR HELP FROM THE COMMISSION AND INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

AND THAT, UH, WE HAVE INSTITUTED, UM, A BLACK ARTIST IN PROFESSIONAL CREATIVES INDUSTRY, UM, THE ORGANIZATION.

AND WHAT WE ARE TEMPTING TO DO IS TO COMPILE AS, AS MUCH OF A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF BLACK FOLKS IN AUSTIN WHO ARE IN THE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES, ARTISTS, MUSICIANS, CULTURAL WORKERS, ARCHITECTS, PRESERVATIONISTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

UM, FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS TO BUILD A COMPREHENSIVE DATABASE SO THAT WITHIN THAT GROUP OF FOLKS, WE CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER.

UM, THERE AS A R , THE SECOND MAJOR THING IS THAT THAT INFORMATION, THAT DATA THEN BECOMES, UM, THE CONTENT THAT WOULD FEED AN ONLINE DIRECTORY, UM, FOR MARKETING AND INFORMATION SAKE.

UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO TWO OR THREE THINGS AT ONCE WITH ONE VEHICLE.

UH, BUT IT DEPENDS ON DOING A GOOD JOB OF POPULATING, UH, THE DATABASE OF THE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE OTHER, WHAT I HOPE WOULD BE, UH, OPPORTUNITY WITH DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS THAT THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN SOME CITY AGENCY NEEDS TO BE LAUDED FOR WHAT A GOOD JOB THEY'RE DOING.

OR THERE MIGHT BE A POLICY THAT COMES FROM COUNCIL DOWN THE PIKE THAT, UM, IS NOT NECESSARILY A POSITIVE PIECE OF POLICY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE WOULD THEN, THEREFORE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK AMONGST OURSELVES AND PUT OUT A POSITION PAPER, IF THAT WERE NECESSARY.

UH, NOT AS A CLUB, BUT AS AN ASSOCIATED GROUP OF PROFESSIONAL CREATIVES.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAPPEN TO BE BLACK CREATIVES ON, UH, THIS CALL, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD OFFER US SOME HELP, UH, GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT TO YOUR NETWORKS.

AND, UH, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION, I GUESS IT WAS LAST WEEK, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I RAISED IS IF WHETHER EDD, UM, COULD ALSO BE HELPFUL, UM, IN THIS EFFORT.

WHAT I KNOW IS, IS THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY BOUND AND CAN'T JUST GIVE OUT CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THEIR CONTRACTEES, AND THEY PROBABLY CAN'T DO

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THAT.

UH, BUT EDD DOES KNOW WHO THOSE CONTRACTEES ARE AND HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM.

SO IF THE MUSIC COMMISSION COULD OFFER UP A RECOMMENDATION TO EDD, HEY, EDD, YOU TRACK YOUR AFRICAN AMERICAN, YOUR BLACK, UH, CREATIVES THAT ARE IN THE SYSTEM, UH, WHY NOT SEND THEM THE LINK TO THIS DIRECTORY AND BE HELPFUL TO THIS ORGANIZATION? THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT RIGHT NOW.

I GOTTA GO TO MY GIG HERE REALLY, REALLY SHARPLY.

UM, HAS QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I WANNA SAY BEFORE I WRAP UP IS THAT, UM, THE VISUAL ART FOLKS ARE POPULATING, UH, THE REGISTRY AT A LOT HIGHER LEVEL THAN MUSICIANS ARE.

AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE VISUAL ARTS ARE IN DANCE, FOR INSTANCE, ARE ENGAGED WITH THE CITY AND FUNDING SOURCES AND A LOT MORE PUBLIC INTERFACES THAN THE INDIVIDUAL BASS PLAYER IS.

BUT WE REALLY DO WANNA DO ALL WE CAN TO GET THOSE FOLKS CORRALLED SO THAT THEY CAN BE PART OF ONE GROUP.

AND IF THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A GRAPHIC DESIGNER OR, UH, A PRODUCTION MANAGER OR A SOUND PERSON OR A GUITAR PLAYER, THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, TO COMMUNICATE STRAIGHT ACROSS TO THOSE FOLKS.

AND SOME OF THE PUSHBACK THAT I GOT, UM, FROM A COUPLE OF FOLKS WAS JUST THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THIS INFORMATION? WHO'S GONNA OWN IT? UM, AND IF, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES TO YOUR HEAD, UM, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS SET UP A, UM, AT LEAST SAY, SEMI-PUBLIC RESOURCE.

UM, AND NOT FOR THE SAKE OF DATA MINING AND, AND SELLING NAMES AND CONTACT INFORMATION.

UH, WE'RE TRYING TO SET SOMETHING UP THAT WILL BE GENERATIONAL, AND WE'LL KEEP MOVING LONG PAST THE TIME THAT I'M GONNA BE SITTING IN THIS CHAIR.

UM, THAT'S WHAT I GOT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, HAROLD.

UM, QUESTIONS, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I KNOW, UM, MR. MCMILLAN HAS TO GO, UH, UH, TO A GIG.

UH, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER BLEVINS.

YEP.

HAROLD, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR SOMEONE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU TO JOIN, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IT? IS THERE A WEBSITE OR A FACEBOOK PAGE? UM, THERE IS A, A WEBSITE.

THE DIRECTORY IS STILL HIDDEN.

WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THE STEP OF MAKING THE WEBSITE THAT'S ACTUALLY A MARKETING SITE.

UM, MY NAME HAROLDMCMILLAN@EASTAUSTINCREATIVES.ORG, AND I CAN SEND YOU A LINK.

UM, AND I PLAN TO SEND THAT LINK JUST SO THAT IT WOULD SHOW UP HERE.

UM, BUT THE FIRST, UH, MEETING LINK THAT I KEPT GETTING KEPT SENDING ME TO A PAGE THAT SAID THE MEETING WAS CANCELED.

SO THERE WAS SOME MIX UP THERE, UH, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE IT.

UH, IT'S A GOOGLE, IT'S A GOOGLE FORM, AND, UH, IT'S EASY TO ACCESS FROM WHEREVER YOU ARE ON A, A MAC OR A PC.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

BUT DROP ME LINE, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE INFORMATION AND, UH, REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SHARE IT BROADLY.

UM, AND THAT WOULD GO FOR SHAKA AS WELL.

SHAKA SHAKAS GOT A GOOD MEMBERSHIP OF FOLKS THAT HE WORKS WITH TOO, THAT ARE NOT ALL THE SAME PEOPLE THAT I ALREADY WORK WITH.

SO JUST TRYING TO DO SOME NETWORK BUILDING, COMMUNITY BUILDING.

IS THERE ANY LIKE, UH, GRAPHIC MATERIAL OR VISUAL, UH, MATERIAL YOU HAVE LIKE TO PROMOTE, UM, SIGNUP AT ALL? UH, YES.

AND IF I CAN FORWARD THAT TO YOU, I'D BE HAPPY TO PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

EXCUSE ME, HAROLD, IS THAT, UM, UH, AT EAST AUSTIN? WHAT WAS THAT AFTER THAT? DOT EAST AUSTIN CREATIVES WITH S EAST AUSTIN CREATIVES.ORG.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THANK YOU SO MUCH, HAROLD.

UM, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND SPEAKING HERE.

THANK YOU MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANK, I APPRECIATE IT.

Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

YOU TOO.

COMMISSIONER BLEVIN.

SORRY, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? NO, I WAS JUST SAYING GOODBYE AND ALL.

OKAY.

HAVE A GOOD GIG, .

ALRIGHT,

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THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA

[3. Presentation on music journalism and access to media coverage in Austin by Raoul Hernandez, Assistant Professor, School of Journalism and Media, University of Texas, Austin.]

ITEM.

WE HAVE PRESENTATION ON MUSIC JOURNALISM AND ACCESS TO MEDIA COVERAGE IN AUSTIN BY RAUL HERNANDEZ, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR, SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM AND MEDIA, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, AUSTIN.

THANK YOU, RAUL.

HI.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO I SAW CELESTE AT AN NAGA VALLEY SHOW AND WE TALKED, UM, SHE WANTED TO GET MY TAKE ON THE STATE OF JOURNALISM, MUSIC JOURNALISM.

UM, AND I FOUND OUT COMING IN THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, APROPOS OF, YOU KNOW, MUSICIANS ASKING, WELL, HOW DO WE GET IN THE PRESS? AND QUITE FRANKLY, I WAS SURPRISED TO STILL BE HEARING THAT QUESTION.

I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT QUESTION IN AUSTIN FOR 32 YEARS NOW.

UM, AND THAT'S HOW LONG I'VE BEEN PRACTICING MUSIC JOURNALISM IN AUSTIN, 32 YEARS.

UM, I HAD SOME STUDENTS COME INTO MY OFFICE, UH, LAST WEEK, AND THEY WERE WONDERING THE SAME THING THAT THEY'D COME UP WITH SOMETHING, UH, A CAMPUS THING WHERE HOW DO STUDENTS GET CHEAP TICKETS WHEN TICKETS ARE SO EXPENSIVE? AND SO THEY'VE STARTED AN INSTAGRAM PAGE, THEY'RE GETTING SOME PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO WRITE ABOUT US? AND I SAID, WELL, THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED OF ME FOR THREE DECADES, AND THE ANSWER'S ALWAYS THE SAME, THAT IF I'M DOING MY JOB RIGHT AND YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB RIGHT, I WILL COME TO YOU LIKE YOU GENERATE THE BUZZ, AND I WILL BE, YOU KNOW, KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR TO GET THAT STORY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S A LOT LESS OF ME AROUND IN THIS TOWN, AND IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE IT, IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY BETTER.

UM, THE YEAR THAT I MOVED HERE TO PRACTICE JOURNALISM, I WAS LEAVING STANFORD UNIVERSITY WHERE I'D GOTTEN MY MASTER'S DEGREE IN, UH, JOURNALISM COMMUNICATIONS AND HAD US READ A BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN IN 1980.

IT WAS A MAN NAMED BEN BAG DICKEN, WHO WROTE A BOOK CALLED THE MEDIA MONOPOLY.

AND IN IT, HE SAID THAT REAGAN PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN, DEREGULATING MEDIA, WHICH WAS HOW MUCH PEOPLE COULD OWN IN MEDIA.

THERE USED TO BE VERY STRICT REGULATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A MARKET YOU COULD ONLY OWN ONE RADIO STATION, ONE TV STATION, AND ONE SOMETHING ELSE.

AND WHEN REAGAN DEREGULATED THAT, AND ANYONE COULD BUY ANY AMOUNT OF MEDIA THIS PERSON WROTE THAT WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WAS BECAUSE MEDIA WAS FAIRLY PROFITABLE, THAT NEWSPAPERS USUALLY HAD AT LEAST 20%, UM, PROFIT MARGIN THAT, UH, HEDGE FUNDS WOULD BASICALLY SWOOP IN, BUY THESE, AS MANY AS THEY COULD, TAKE THAT PROFIT OFF THE TOP, NOT PUT IT BACK INTO THE ORGANIZATION, AND BASICALLY SQUEEZE MEDIA DRIVE FOR ALL THAT IT'S WORTH.

THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN AUSTIN WITH THE STATESMEN.

THE, THIS ARTICLE HAS ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN A NUMBER OF TIMES WITH THE LAYOFFS AND, YOU KNOW, THE BASE SALARIES, AND THEY SOLD THEIR PRESSES AND THEY SOLD THEIR BUILDING, AND THEY'RE SELLING OFF ONE PIECE AT A TIME, AND THEY'RE STRANGLING THAT, UM, PUBLICATIONS SLOWLY.

AND SO THAT GUY WROTE THE MOST PRESCIENT BOOK ABOUT THE MEDIA EVER.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT'S HAPPENED.

AND IT'S BROKEN THE MEDIA.

AND SO I TEACH AT THE UNIVERSITY AND I TELL THE STUDENTS, I SAY, SO THE DINOSAURS ARE DYING.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

PRINT IS DEAD.

IT'S NOT COMING BACK.

IT'S NOT GREAT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

TWO GENERATIONS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, HUMANS HAVE GROWN UP WITHOUT READING PHYSICAL MEDIA.

THEY READ IT ON THEIR PHONES, THAT'S FINE.

UM, BUT THE THING ABOUT THE DINOSAURS DYING IS IT'S HAPPENING SLOWLY.

IT'S HAPPENING NOW.

AND WE CANNOT PREDICT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN THE DINOSAURS ARE DEAD IN 20 YEARS.

THEY'LL BE ONE OR TWO NEWSPAPERS.

THERE'LL BE THE NEW YORK TIMES AND MAYBE THE WASHINGTON POST.

THE LA TIMES WILL HAVE GONE AWAY.

YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL BE LEFT.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PRINT THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A RED HERRING.

IT'S WHAT WILL MEDIA LOOK LIKE.

AND BECAUSE IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRINT WILL HAVE DIED.

AND WITH IT KIND OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? IT WAS LIKE ADS THAT WERE, UH, ALLOWING 4 0 1 KS AND, UM, UH, INSURANCE.

WHEN THAT GOES AWAY, THEN IT ALL BECOMES A FREELANCE THING.

YOU KNOW, WRITING FOR PITCHFORK, WHICH NOW PITCHFORK HAS GONE AWAY.

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SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

WE ACTUALLY, IN AUSTIN, WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE A GLIMPSE.

WE HAVE THE TEXAS TRIBUNE, AND THE TEXAS TRIBUNE IS A MODEL FOR WHAT MEDIA WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

IT WILL BE NONPROFIT, IT WILL HAVE LARGE NEWSROOMS, UM, THEY THAT DO HAVE, UH, INSURANCE AND 4 0 1 KS.

BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME FOR THAT CHANGEOVER TO HAPPEN.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE BEEN READING ABOUT IT IN THE, IN THE PRESS, IT'S GONNA BE NEWS DESERTS.

THAT'S WHERE THIS COUNTRY IS HEADED.

AND IT'S GONNA GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER, BEFORE THERE COMES SOME SYSTEM TO FUND ALL THAT NONPROFIT MEDIA.

AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PUSHBACK BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE, THE COUNTRY IS DIVIDED.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WE SHOULDN'T BE FUNDING THIS.

AND EVEN IF IT DOES GET FUNDED BY, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF A MORE, IT'S LIKE, WHO'S GONNA FUND IT? LIKE, OKAY, IS THE RIGHT GONNA FUND IT? IS THE LEFT GONNA FUND IT? AND WHAT'S THAT NEWS GONNA LOOK LIKE BY WHO FUNDS IT? SO YOU KNOW, THERE, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS, UH, ANY BETTER.

AND THE ONLY COUNTERBALANCE IS, IS THAT, UM, JOURNALISM PROGRAMS ARE STILL VERY ROBUST.

THE ONE AT UT IS ROBUST.

THE PEOPLE THERE ARE DELIGHTFUL.

THEY'RE VERY DIVERSE, THEY'RE VERY WOKE.

THEY WRITE A LOT BETTER AT 20 YEARS OLD THAN I EVER DID.

AND THEY STILL WANT TO TELL STORIES.

THEY STILL BELIEVE IN THE MISSION OF, UH, JOURNALISM, WHETHER IT'S NEWS OR ARTS AND CULTURE.

I TEACH A MUSIC JOURNALISM CLASS.

IT TEACHES EVERY SEMESTER, AND IT'S ALWAYS FULL.

AND ALL THESE KIDS WANNA WRITE ABOUT MUSIC.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE TELL THEM, YOU CAN WRITE, MEDIA IS VAST AND IT'S CHANGING.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE WASN'T A WAY IN, WHEN I CAME UP 20 YEARS AGO, NOW YOU HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA, RIGHT? YOU CAN GO INTO A MEDIA ORGANIZATION AND DO THAT.

SO THERE IS STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THESE GRADUATES.

AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, MEDIA IS VAST, BUT THE PICTURE AS IT IS NOW IS NOT A GOOD ONE, AND IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK ANY BETTER ANYTIME SOON.

THANK YOU, RAUL.

UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND, UH, PRESENTING YOUR PERSPECTIVE HERE.

UM, I WOULD, UM, OPEN IT UP TO COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, COMMISSIONER DAVILA, UH, MR. RAMIREZ, I'D LIKE TO, UM, GET SOME INFORMATION ON YOU WHERE I MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTACT YOU.

UM, YOU CAN CONTACT ME THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY.

OKAY.

UM, I STILL WRITE FOR THE CHRONICLE.

I'VE WRITTEN FOR THE CHRONICLE ALMOST EVERY WEEK FOR 32, UM, YEARS.

AND YOU CAN, I HAVE A, A, A CONTACT THROUGH THE CHRONICLE WEBSITE AS WELL, EITHER THE UNIVERSITY OR THE CHRONICLE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, ADA.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING, RAUL.

UH, WE SO APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR, YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

UM, SOME OF IT DEFINITELY RESONATES WITH ME WHEN I'VE SPOKEN WITH OTHER, UM, WRITERS, UM, KEVIN, CURTIN, DEBORAH AND GUPTA.

I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH GIG OUT THERE, AND I THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DEFINITELY PART OF THE MUSIC ECOSYSTEM IN AUSTIN.

AND WE, I, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE REALLY NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS PART OF THE WHOLE, WE NEED EACH OTHER IN THAT WAY.

UM, IT, IT SOUNDED, IT SOUNDS SCARY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT THEN I, I ALSO AM SO, UM, UH, UPLIFTED BY, UM, YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S ALL THESE AMAZING 20 YEAR OLDS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO WRITE AND IN YOUR CLASS AND, UM, STILL, UM, FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT MUSIC AND WRITING AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, BECOMING FUTURE THOUGHT LEADERS.

SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE WE WANNA BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE WITH YOUR THOUGHTS.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING OTHER, UM, UH, WRITERS, JOURNALISTS, UM, THOUGHT LEADERS IN THE ROOM, LIKE CHAD BACK THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

UM, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, ANYONE ELSE? BLESS YOU, PATTERSON.

YEAH, YEAH, I, I DO WANNA SAY IT WHEN I'M CONTACTED BY A JOURNALIST TO TALK ABOUT THE STATE OF MUSIC IN AUSTIN, AND A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE TALKING BASICALLY ABOUT HOW, UM, SQUEEZED MUSICIANS ARE BY THE CURRENT COST OF LIVING IN AUSTIN.

I'M ALWAYS AWARE THAT I'M SPEAKING WITH SOMEBODY IN THE JOURNALISM PROFESSION WHO IS EXPERIENCING THE SAME COST OF LIVING, FEELING

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VERY MUCH LIKE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO LIVE IN AUSTIN.

UM, BUT THE REPORTING THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE AS AS MUSIC IS SUCH AN ECONOMIC DRIVER HERE AND SUCH A PART OF IMPORTANT TO CITY GOVERNANCE LIKE THIS, JOURNALISM IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

CHAD HAS, UH, ALREADY GOTTEN A SHOUT OUT AND HE WRITES, UM, ABOUT THE, OUR COMMISSION MEETINGS OFTEN.

UM, BEN THOMPSON JUST RAN A PIECE ABOUT MUSICIAN PAY AND COMMUNITY IMPACT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE THOUGHTFUL PIECES OF JOURNALISM ARE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.

SO I DON'T, MYSELF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY WANNA SEE THAT CONTINUE.

UM, AND IT IS, I DO ALSO WANNA SAY IT IS A VERY MUCH A SHAME WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH OUR LOCAL PAPER WHERE IT WAS ESSENTIALLY, UM, TREATED AS A REAL ESTATE DEAL BY ITS PREVIOUS OWNER, WHICH IS ONE OF THE 14TH WEALTHIEST COUNTRY FAMILIES AND IN THE WORLD, AND IS NOW LEVERAGING THAT PROPERTY, UM, FOR THE, FOR ITS REAL ESTATE VALUE.

UM, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND SPEAKING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A MUSIC COMMISSION, LIKE THIS IS IN OUR WHEELHOUSE NECESSARILY TO DEAL WITH JOURNALISM, BUT WE SEE THAT THERE'S A, A RELATIONSHIP HERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.

YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S SUCH AN ECOSYSTEM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PARTS ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY ALL FEED INTO EACH OTHER AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE CIVICALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JOURNALISM.

THIS IS A, A NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND NOT ONE THAT'S GOING VERY SMOOTHLY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WELCOME ANY DIALOGUE THAT A BODY LIKE THIS GENERATES, YOU KNOW, IN MY AREA OF THE FIELD OR ANY AREA OF THE FIELD.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER ROSENTHAL.

UM, YEAH, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TO SPEAK TO US.

YOU SAID A FEW THINGS THAT REALLY GOT MY INTEREST.

YOU MENTIONED THAT MEDIA IS VAST AND SOCIAL MEDIA IS VAST IN WAYS THAT, UH, ANYBODY OVER 21 MAY NOT EVEN FULLY UNDERSTAND.

YOU'RE A PROFESSOR, SO YOU, YOU'RE A PROFESSOR AND YOU WORK WITH PEOPLE UNDER 21, SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER IDEA THAN MOST OF US.

AND THAT TIES IN WITH ANOTHER INTEREST THAT COMES UP FREQUENTLY.

WE WANT TO MAKE LIVE MUSIC AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE UNDER 21 HERE IN AUSTIN.

AND IF THERE WAS A WAY OF GETTING YOUR UNDER 21 STUDENTS TO WRITE ABOUT MUSIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO UNDER 21 AUDIENCES THAT THEY COULD THEN SHARE THROUGH WHATEVER UNDER 21 SOCIAL MEDIA MAGIC THEY HAVE ACCESS TO, BOY, THAT WOULD REALLY BE SOMETHING.

SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY IDEAS, PLEASE SEND THEM OUR WAY.

I, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

IF SO, A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T REALLY AWARE OF THIS NARRATIVE, AND IT'S RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES.

SO WHEN ACL FEST STARTED, IT WAS BOOKED FOR PEOPLE MY AGE, IT WAS BOOKED FOR DADS, RIGHT? THEY BOOKED PETTY, THEY BOOKED DYLAN, THEY BOOKED ALL THESE KIND OF CLASSIC ARTISTS.

AND THE BOOKING WAS FOR AN OLDER CLIENTELE.

AND AS THE YEARS WENT BY, I SAW IT ON THE FIELD MYSELF.

I'D BE STANDING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, COVERING SOMETHING AND I'D BE STANDING BEHIND A GROUP OF, YOU KNOW, 10 TEENS AND THEY'D BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE GONNA SEE.

AND THEN ONE OF THEM WOULD SAY, I NEED TO GO MEET MY MOM OVER AT THE HONDA STAGE.

I'LL SEE YOU LATER.

AND ANOTHER ONE WOULD SAY, WELL, I'M GONNA GO SEE MY SISTER.

AND WHAT I REALIZED OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS WAS THAT ALL THE KIDS THAT WERE GROWING UP IN THIS TOWN, THEY COULDN'T GO OUT TO SEE SHOWS BECAUSE THEY WERE AGE RESTRICTED.

THEIR PARENTS HAD BOUGHT THEM TICKETS TO GO TO ACL BECAUSE HERE THEY COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, 50 ACTS IN A WEEKEND.

AND SO OVER TIME, THAT BECAME THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THAT.

NOW THAT FESTIVAL IS BOOKED FOR THAT DEMOGRAPHIC, NO LONGER ME, BUT THE 20 YEAR OLDS, AND THAT'S WHO GOES, AND THEIR PARENTS ARE STILL BUYING THEM THE TICKETS, YOU KNOW, THEY BUY THEM TOO, AND THE STUDENTS BUY THEM TOO.

BUT IT COMPLETELY TURNED BECAUSE OF WHAT IT OFFERED PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T GET INTO CLUBS.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT THERE ABOUT WHAT A CITY COULD DO IN ITS OWN PARKS, YOU KNOW, WITH MUSIC AND WHO GETS INTO IT.

RIGHT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ADA.

UM, THANK YOU.

ONE THING THAT, UH, JUST ADDING TO THIS CONVERSATION WAS I THINK ABOUT, UM, BESAM MUTUAL THIS

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WEEKEND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, UH, 55,000 TICKETS SOLD OUT IN ONE DAY OR IN HOURS.

AND, UM, THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S A MARKET HERE FOR, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WERE MANY AUSTIN BANDS ON THAT BILL, BUT, UM, THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS A DEMAND FOR LATINO ARTISTS.

AND IT MADE, UM, ME THINK IN OUR HOUSEHOLD ABOUT, UH, THE PACHANGA MUSIC FEST THAT USED TO TAKE PLACE ON FIESTA GARDENS, AND MAYBE IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, FUND THAT AGAIN, UM, AND SUPPORT OUR OWN ARTISTS.

UM, AND THE FOLKS THAT EVEN STARTED OUT, UH, THE CONVERSATION TODAY, UH, THE PUB WITH THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION IS THAT I, I DO THINK THAT THERE JUST BY DATA FOR THAT 55,000 TICKETS TO BE SOLD IN A MATTER OF HOURS THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

AND I THINK WE'RE STILL ANALYZING, UM, WHAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT, UM, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY INTERESTING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

I REVIEWED THAT EVENT FOR THE CHRONICLE.

I WAS THE REVIEWER, AND SO I WENT AND INDEED, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE FIGURE BECAUSE MY WIFE, AGNES, AND I WONDERED HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE.

SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO GET THAT FIGURE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE BODIES WHO PUT THAT ON, BUT IT WAS EYEOPENING.

I, YOU KNOW, I SAID IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEEING THE BLACK PANTHER MOVIE, IT WAS LIKE AN ALTERNATIVE REALITY THAT YOU'D NEVER IMAGINED.

ALL THE PEOPLE WERE THERE WERE BROWN, ALL OF THEM, AND THEY DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THE ONES THAT GO TO ACL FEST, RIGHT? I SAID IN MY REVIEW AT ACL FEST, THEY'RE ALL WEARING REI STUFF, AND THEY'RE ALL COLLEGIATE, NOT THERE BEST IN MACHO.

THEY WERE DRESSED UP, ALL OF THEM WERE BROWN, ALL THE MUSIC WAS IN SPANISH.

ALL THE TALK WAS IN SPANISH FROM THE, UM, THE STAGE.

AND YOU WONDERED, OKAY, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THIS GO WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES? COULD YOU DO THAT IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY? WELL, YEAH, BUT THEN ALL THE WHITE KIDS WOULD SHOW UP, RIGHT? THEY WANNA SEE THE RAP AND THE HIP HOP AND THE R AND B AND ALL THAT.

BUT WHAT IF YOU DID IT FOR THE INDIAN COMMUNITY? IF THERE WAS AN INDIAN FE, YOU KNOW, COM FESTIVAL THAT WAS INDIAN ARTISTS AND OR AN ASIAN ONE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT INCLUSIVITY IN OUR, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

WHAT IF YOU PUT THIS ON RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED IT IF I HADN'T SEEN IT FOR MY OWN EYES.

AND IN 30 YEARS IN AUSTIN, THAT'S BEEN RARE.

I MEAN, I REMEMBER GOING TO ONE URBAN FESTIVAL AT, UH, AUDITORIUM SHORES.

THE HEADLINER WAS BOYS TO MEN, AND I WAS LIKE, LITERALLY LIKE THE ONLY WHITE PERSON THERE.

AND I LOVED IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AMAZING.

BUT IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WHY ISN'T THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY COMING TO THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, DO THEY NEED TO? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I SAW ALL THOSE BROWN PEOPLE OUT AT, YOU KNOW, CODA, AND IT WAS FOR THEM, AND IT CAME OFF AND IT GAVE US, IT GAVE ME ANOTHER PICTURE OF, YOU KNOW, TEXAS, THAT THEY WERE ALL STILL WEARING COWBOY HATS, BUT THEY WEREN'T LISTENING TO COUNTRY MUSIC AND THEY WEREN'T WHITE, AND YOU WEREN'T LOOKING AT THEM LIKE, IS THIS REDNECK GONNA KICK THE, YOU KNOW, ONE OUT OF ME? SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF LIKE WHAT A CITY CAN DO FOR ITS POPULACE.

AND ESPECIALLY, I TELL THIS TO THE KIDS, LIKE, WE ARE A CITY THAT DEFINES OURSELF BY MUSIC, BY CULTURE.

THAT'S REALLY RARE, RIGHT? I MEAN, LIVE MUSIC CAPITAL, WHICH WAS A THROWAWAY TAG BY A MUSIC WRITER 30 YEARS AGO, WAS A JOKE.

HA HA.

AND THEN THE CITY ADOPTED IT, AND WE LIVE IT, YOU KNOW, WE EMBODY IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANOTHER KIND OF ACL FEST FOR ALL THOSE KIDS THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN'T GET INTO, YOU KNOW, THE MUSIC DOWNTOWN? SO, I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIALOGUES HERE.

THANK YOU, RAUL, UM, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GOLD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

UM, YEAH, THAT WAS REALLY FASCINATING.

I, I FEEL LIKE I LEARNED SO MUCH .

UM, AND, UH, I'M CURIOUS, UM, HOW, BECAUSE I, I GREW UP HERE AND I MEAN, I USED TO JUST GO AND PICK UP A CHRONICLE AND SEE WHO WAS PLAYING AND JUST LIKE, THUMB THROUGH IT, AND I WOULD CUT THINGS OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S STILL PRINTED AND, AND YOU'RE STILL WRITING FOR IT.

AND THE CHRONICLES SEEMS LIKE IT'S STILL GROWING STRONG.

SO I, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT? BECAUSE I, WELL, SO I, THIS IS WHAT I'M A MUSICIAN.

SURE.

NO FULL-TIME, SO, YOU KNOW, I AM, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, SO CAN YOU GIVE US

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A LITTLE MORE? CHRONICLE IS STILL GOING, AND IT'S STILL COMMITTED, AND IT'S GOING FULL TIME, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S TURNED TO PROFIT SINCE ABOUT 2012, PROBABLY IN 12 YEARS, IT HAS NOT MADE ONE PENNY OF PROFIT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY UNDERWRITTEN BY ITS OWNER, UM, WHO WOULD LIKE TO RETIRE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT GONNA MEAN? YOU KNOW, IF HE'S UNDERWRITING AND HE WANTS TO RETIRE, UM, RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO SAVE IT.

I DON'T THINK IT HELPS THAT THEY HAD TO LEAVE ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS BECAUSE THE HIGHWAY IS GOING THROUGH IT.

THEY'RE ONE OF THE 145 BUSINESSES THAT'S AFFECTED BY THE HIGHWAY THAT NO ONE IN THIS TOWN SEEMS TO WANT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S HANGING ON BY A THREAD, AND IT'S SUCH A RARE ONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S OWNED BY SOMEONE WHO ONLY CARES ABOUT IT AND HAS THE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT VIEWS ON MEDIA.

AND THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT ENOUGH TO SAVE, YOU KNOW, ANYONE THESE DAYS.

AND LIKE A LOT OF LEGACY BUSINESSES, IT HAS TO PIVOT INTO, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE.

AND LIKE I SAY, WE STILL ARE FIGURING OUT THE FUTURE, LIKE IN REAL TIME, RIGHT.

BUILDING THE PLANE AS YOU'RE FLYING IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALL CELEBRATE THE CHRONICLE, BUT THE CHRONICLE COULD USE ALL OF AUSTIN'S HELP.

CAN YOU SAY MORE ABOUT WHAT AUSTIN AUSTINITES CAN DO TO HELP SAVE THE CHRONICLE? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S A BIG QUESTION, BUT YEAH.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON, YOU KNOW, A CITY TO, UM, TO UNDERWRITE ITS PRESS.

MAYBE IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH WATER LIFTS ALL BOATS, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT I KEEP COMING BACK TO THAT THING ABOUT ACL.

LIKE, THERE'S A LOT TO HARNESS IN THIS CITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF YOUTH, THERE'S A LOT OF MUSIC, THERE'S A LOT OF CREATIVES, THERE'S SPACES, THERE'S PLANNERS.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE BUILDING THAT'S KIND OF BIGGER THAN ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS? LIKE, I HAD, UH, BREAKFAST WITH THE FELLOW THAT RUNS SPACE FLIGHT RECORDS, AND HIS BUSINESS MODEL COULD POTENTIALLY REVOLUTIONIZE THE ENTIRE MUSIC INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, FUNDING OR WIND BEHIND IT.

I MEAN, HIS BUSINESS MODEL IS LIKE, THIS IS WHAT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS ALWAYS NEEDED BETWEEN LABELS AND THE ARTISTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT, SO MANY PLATFORMS COMPETING FOR EVERYONE'S ATTENTION THAT IT'S HARD, YOU KNOW, TO FOCUS IN ON THE ONE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GONNA PROVE RELEVANT IN 20 YEARS.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ANSWER IS, BUT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A CITY THAT WAS GONNA HARNESS IT, IT'S GOTTA BE US.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALSO WHAT I TELL THE KIDS.

WHAT WE HAVE THAT THE OTHER METROPOLIS DON'T, IS THAT WE HAVE A PHYSICALLY SMALL AREA RIGHT FROM THE SOUTHERN MOST CLUB, MAYBE THE, YOU KNOW, BROKEN SPOKE TO THE NORTHERN MOST CLUB, A HOLE IN THE WALL, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO WAS 10 MINUTES.

NOW IT'S MAYBE 30.

BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN MANHATTAN.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN LOS ANGELES, SAN FRANCISCO, ANY OF THOSE CITIES.

SO, YOU KNOW, OUR PHYSICAL SIZE, OUR PARK SYSTEM, ALL THE NATURAL TALENT, ALL THE KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE TALENT THAT'S HERE TO HELP IT.

LIKE, YEAH, LET'S BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S BIGGER THAN, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL INTERESTS AND, YOU KNOW, PUT US EVEN MORE ON THE MAP.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE DON'T EVEN WANT THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA CALL OURSELVES THAT, LET'S OWN IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I FIND THAT MOST PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY DON'T KNOW WHAT ACL FEST IS.

THEY ALL KNOW WHAT SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST IS, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT ACL FEST IS.

SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE BUILDING SOMETHING FOR AUSTIN THAT THEN BECOMES AS IDENTIFIABLE WITH IT AS A SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST QUESTION? YOU KNOW, UH, IAN PATON, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, I'LL,

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I'LL BE BRIEF, BUT AS I'M HEARING THIS DISCUSSION, I'M THINKING ABOUT THINGS THAT, THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CULTURAL LIFE OF AUSTIN.

SO MUSIC ARTS, AND I'M GONNA THROW JOURNALISM IN THERE NOW.

SO LET'S HAVE THAT TRIO.

AND THEN I THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE AND FINANCIALLY ARE STRUGGLING IN NEW AUSTIN, BUT WE DO HAVE INDUSTRIES THAT ARE, UM, REALLY PROSPERING.

SO WE'VE GOT TECH, WE'VE GOT TOURISM, UH, AND WE'VE GOT REAL ESTATE.

AND I DO FEEL LIKE THAT THESE ARE NOT, THESE ARE NOT ENEMIES.

THESE ARE GROUPS THAT CAN WORK TOGETHER.

UM, AND THEY'RE, I MEAN, THE REASON THAT THESE OTHER INDUSTRIES, THESE PROFITABLE INDUSTRIES ARE DOING WELL AND ARE ATTRACTING TALENT IS BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN AUSTIN THAT IS, UM, BUILT ON A FOUNDATION OF CREATIVITY.

SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE LAND USE WORKING GROUP HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE IT UP MORE IN A FUTURE, FUTURE MEETING, BUT I, I MEAN, I DO, I DO SEE POSSIBILITY AND POSITIVITY.

THAT'S COULD BE.

BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL, FOR BRINGING THIS, LIKE, VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION TO US.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND FOR LISTENING AND, YOU KNOW, BEING INTERESTED AND ENGAGED.

THANKS FOR THIS BODY, EVEN EXISTING RAUL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH, I, UM, HAVE A VERY, UM, UH, DON'T KILL ME.

TIPS AND TOOLS.

WHAT DOES A MUSICIAN DO IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FOR MEDIA ACCESS? IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME.

I MEAN, YOU DO YOUR JOB WELL, AND AGAIN, WE COME TO YOU IF YOU'RE MAKING MUSIC THAT YOU KNOW IS MAKING RIPPLES SOONER OR LATER, THOSE RIPPLES HIT THE ANTENNA OF, YOU KNOW, ALL RIDERS.

WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE UT UM, STUDENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS ON A LEVEL, LIKE THEY KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA BE BIG THREE YEARS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, ANYONE OVER 20 KNOWS.

SO, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL AFTER A LOT OF THAT IS STILL BEING GENERATED ON CAMPUS BY, YOU KNOW, KIDS THAT AGE.

SO THAT HASN'T CHANGED.

YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE GOOD MUSIC AND PEOPLE WILL COME FOR IT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE FIELD OF DREAMS, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY'LL COME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO MUCH OF OUR SOCIETY IS, YOU KNOW, BUILT ON THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, DOWN IN THIS AREA, WHEN I ARRIVED IN THIS TOWN 30 YEARS AGO, THERE WAS NOTHING DOWN HERE.

IT LOOKED LIKE GOTHAM.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY OPENED UP A CLUB, AND THEN THE CLUB HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING, AND THEN SOMEONE OPENS A LIQUOR STORE AND A PIZZA JOINT.

AND NOW, YOU KNOW, THE CLUB IS GONE FROM THIS AREA, BUT IT STILL POPPED UP ON EAST SIXTH.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT GETS TOO EXPENSIVE, IT'LL POP UP SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ARTS ARE THAT WAY.

I MEAN, ALL, EVERY NEWSPAPER IN THE COUNTRY CAN GO AWAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT GOES BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS 500 YEARS AGO, AND IT'S SOME GUY GOING FROM TOWN TO TOWN TELLING THE STORIES OF THE LAST TOWN, YOU KNOW, INTO THE NEXT TOWN, THAT'S STILL GONNA HAPPEN.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE AS A SPECIES.

WE TELL STORIES, AND THAT'S HOW WE PASS HISTORY ON OUR OWN HISTORY AND THE HISTORY OF OUR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT CAN DIP DOWN, IT CAN LOOK BAD, BUT NONE OF IT'S GOING AWAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, RAUL.

I, I, THERE IS THAT FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF I DO HAVE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE UNIVERSITY HERE, THAT, UH, MUSIC WILL ALWAYS STAY IN THIS TOWN AS MORE AND MORE YOUNG PEOPLE MOVE INTO THE UNIVERSITY, THEY ARE MAKING MUSIC.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP MAKING MUSIC IN, IN AUSTIN.

AGREED.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MOVING ON

[4. Update on FY24 Austin Live Music Fund guidelines by Chair Medicharla]

TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, UH, UPDATE ON FI 24 AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND GUIDELINES, UH, BY CHAIR.

UM, I DO WANT THE COMMISSIONERS TO NOTE THAT, UH, THE AGENDA ITEMS HAVE KIND OF BEEN, SOME OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN, UH, EITHER SLIGHTLY REWORDED OR SLIGHTLY ABRIDGED BY, UH, THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

SO IF YOU SEE A DELTA IN, UH, WHAT WE KIND OF PROPOSED AND, UH, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON PAPER, IT'S, IT'S, THOSE UPDATES ARE COMING FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

UH, SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY UPDATES FROM THE LIVE MUSIC FUND WORKING GROUP, UH, THAT, UH, WE HAD RECENTLY.

UH, SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY.

I ALREADY SENT OUT, UH, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND SHARED THE, UH, MEETING NOTES, AND I JUST SENT OUT A BRIEF, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UPDATE ON THAT, UH, TO STAFF AND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT PARTICIPATED, UH, IN THE MEETING AS WELL.

UM, I BASICALLY HIGHLIGHTED, UH, POINTS TO CONSIDER FOR EDD, AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE I, I KEPT MOST OF MY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTENT TOO.

UH, SO I DON'T HAVE A PRINTED COPY, SO I'M JUST GONNA READ THIS OFF MY PHONE.

UH, THE PARTICIPANTS WERE

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MYSELF.

UM, I, I WAS ASKED TO CHAIR THE MEETING, AND I DID.

SO I FACILITATED THE MEETING.

COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND JOINED COMMISSIONER CASADA, COMMISSIONER ROSENTHAL, AND THEN FROM THE INDUSTRY WE HAD, UH, NICOLE BLO, PAT BTE, AND, UH, PEDRO, I'M GONNA MESS UP YOUR LAST NAME.

CAR CARVALHO, UH, FROM FAR OUT, UH, LOUNGE, UM, NICOLE , OF COURSE, FROM RRCD, AND PAT FROM A DXM.

UM, SO INITIALLY, UM, THERE WAS AN ASK FOR CLARIFICATION OF WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS FUND WAS FROM COMMISSIONER CASADA.

AND, UH, SO IN RELATION TO, TO THAT, UH, EDD HAD, UH, STAFF HAD SHARED THE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS, UM, AND THAT THE FUND, UH, PURPOSE WAS TO ESSENTIALLY SUPPORT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY AND THE ECOSYSTEM.

UH, WE TALKED SOME ABOUT THE PAST, UH, MUSIC COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT, UH, SOME OF THE KEY ONES AROUND, UH, THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, WHICH WAS, UH, PI AS AN EQUITY FRAMEWORK, UH, BROAD USERS RECORDING VIDEO, UH, LIVE PERFORMANCE, ET CETERA, FROM, FOR MUSICIANS, UH, AND MUSICIANS.

AND IN INDEPENDENT PROMOTE IS GOING IN, IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE ROLLOUT WITH VENUES INCLUDED IN THE SECOND YEAR.

SOME OF THE POINTS THAT CAME UP, UM, FOR EDDS CONSIDERATION AND, UH, ALSO REQUEST FOR RESPONSES, UH, WERE CONCERN OVER THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FROM FIVE TO $10,000 IN GRANT AMOUNTS FOR THE LIVE MUSIC FUND TO THE JUMP TO 15 TO 30,000.

UH, SO THIS OBVIOUSLY WOULD REALLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, UH, APPLICANTS WHO WOULD RECEIVE THE FUNDS SINCE THE POOL OF MONIES THE SAME AS LAST YEAR.

AND SO THERE WERE, THERE WAS A QUESTION AROUND WHAT IS THE DATA, WHAT IS THE BASIS, UH, ON WHICH THIS DECISION WAS MADE? UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS AROUND MANAGING OVERHEAD VERSUS, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, OTHER COST BENEFIT, UH, CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, SECOND ONE WAS ELIMINATING THE MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES FROM THE ELIGIBLE USERS FOR ALL RECIPIENTS.

UM, THERE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE ELIGIBLE USERS ARE ESSENTIALLY COMING FROM THE, UM, HOT TAX CODE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS INSERTED BY ANYBODY ELSE.

BUT, UM, IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT OUT AND JUST BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT X NUMBER OF ELIGIBLE USERS, UH, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANTS, TO THE RECIPIENTS, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

INCLUSION OF NONPROFITS IN LMF.

SO LAST YEAR THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AROUND THIS ON WHETHER OR NOT, UM, NONPROFITS SHOULD BE INCLUDED, UM, AS ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS TO THE LIVE MUSIC FUND.

UM, THERE WERE NO, YOU KNOW, STRONG, UH, LEANINGS, UM, UNANIMOUSLY, AT LEAST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE, UH, FURTHER ON THIS FROM EDD.

THE NEXT ONE WAS RECORDING PROJECTS.

THE QUESTION WAS, HOW IS DELIVERY TRACKED, UH, HERE, IF, UH, SOMEBODY GETS THE GRANT FOR A RECORDING PROJECT, UM, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THAT GETS, THAT'S GETTING CLOSED OUT OR, OR WHATEVER.

UH, THE IDEA WAS, YOU KNOW, IS ACTUALLY THE FUNDS ARE BEING USED TOWARDS THAT AND THE PROJECT IS BEING COMPLETED.

UM, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES PROPOSED AROUND ELIGIBLE USERS FOR VENUES.

UM, UH, I DO HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT INITIALLY WHEN THIS WORKING GROUP WAS FORMED, UM, ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS OF THAT WAS AROUND CONCERNS, UM, AROUND HOW THE VENUES WOULD BE USING THE FUNDS.

UH, BUT ONCE, AS WE, YOU KNOW, WENT INTO THE CONVERSATION IN THE WORKING GROUP, UH, THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGES PROPOSED AROUND WHAT THE ELIGIBLE USERS ARE FOR VENUES.

UH, QUESTION AROUND ELIGIBILITY FOR CORPORATE BACKED VENUES, UH, OR VENUES THAT ARE OWNED BY PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANIES.

UH, HOW, WHAT IS THE CRITERIA? WHAT IS, UH, ARE THEY ELIGIBLE? ARE THEY NOT ELIGIBLE? HOW ARE WE DISTINGUISHING, UH, UH, BETWEEN, UH, DIFFERENT VENUE TYPES? UH, THERE WAS A STRONG ASK FOR LONG CENTER TO BE AVAILABLE TO PRESENT DIRECTLY AT THE MUSIC COMMISSION, UH, AT LEAST ONCE IN A WHILE TO PROVIDE, UM, A PERSPECTIVE AND A STATUS, UH, MORE THAN A PERSPECTIVE, REALLY A STATUS ON HOW, UH, THINGS ARE GOING.

AND THE LAST ONE WAS, UH, APPLICANTS APPLYING FOR GRANTS TO BOTH CULTURAL ARTS AS WELL AS THE LIVE MUSIC FUND.

SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, LEGALLY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED.

SOMEBODY WHO GETS A GRANT FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS, THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY PROHIBITS FROM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, APPLICANTS FROM GETTING FUNDS ON BOTH SIDES.

UM, BUT HOW IS THAT BEING, UH, OPERATIONALIZED? SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, THAT WAS THE SUMTOTAL.

I, UH, SHARED A DOCUMENT, UH, AND REVIEWED THIS WITH, UM, STAFF AND, UH, IF SOMEBODY COULD FROM STAFF, ERICA

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SOVIA, IF ANYBODY COULD, UM, GIVE US SOME, UM, UH, RESPONSES TO THESE QUESTIONS AND JUST PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE HERE.

THANK YOU.

HELLO EVERYBODY.

ERICA SHAMLEY, MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION MANAGER.

UH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

UH, WE WILL BE PREPARED.

WE HEARD EVERYTHING, WE READ OVER ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WHAT WE'LL DO IS COME BACK TO YOU IN APRIL WITH FINAL GUIDELINES, UH, TAKING EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO.

UH, BUT IT WAS NOTHING THAT, UM, I MEAN, THESE, THESE WERE ALL VERY DOABLE THINGS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WORKING GROUP SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO TALK TO ANY SPECIFIC THING TONIGHT.

WE NEED MORE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT, TALK WITH ALL THE POWERS THAT BE WITHIN THE CITY AS WELL, AND WE'LL PRESENT THOSE FINAL GUIDELINES IN APRIL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UM, FROM EITHER THE PARTICIPANTS OR, UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER, GO, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

SO WITH THE, UH, THE ELIGIBLE USES FOR THE VENUES, WHAT'S NOT BEING NECESSARILY OVERTLY SAID IS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING THE PROVISION THAT THE VENUES NEEDED TO PAY A FAIR WAGE TO MUSICIANS IF THEY WERE GONNA RECEIVE THIS GRANT FUNDING.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST MEETING.

UM, SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION THAT Y'ALL MIGHT'VE HAD AND LIKE WHY YOU LANDED ON NOT INCLUDING THAT? INCLUDING, SORRY, IF YOU COULD REPEAT THAT.

SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT THE VENUES THAT RECEIVE THESE FUNDS, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE REQUIRING THEM TO PAY ANY PARTICULAR FAIR WAGE TO MUSICIANS? YEAH.

UNLESS THAT ARE PLAYING THESE SHOWS, UNLESS THE FUNDS ARE BEING DIRECTED BY THE VENUE FOR PAYING MUSICIANS, IN THAT CASE, THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.

UM, BUT THERE IS NOTHING YES, COMPELLING IN THE CURRENT GUIDELINES THAT SAYS THAT, UM, VENUES HAVE TO USE THE FUNDS TO, UH, PAY MUSICIANS, RIGHT? THERE ARE MULTIPLE ELIGIBLE USERS.

WELL, CAN I, CAN I CLARIFY BEFORE YOU GO? SORRY.

YEAH.

SO TO ME IT FEELS VERY, UM, IT FEELS EXTREMELY BROAD, UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN APPLY FOR, THESE VENUES CAN APPLY FOR THIS LARGE CHUNK OF MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH IT.

AND MAYBE THEY, UM, MAYBE THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING THEIR, THEIR VENUE, MAYBE THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SINKING THE MONEY INTO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A BETTER SOUND SYSTEM OR WHATEVER, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE SAME PAY STRUCTURE, WHICH AT MOST PUBLIC VENUES IS, IS A PITTANCE FOR MUSICIANS.

UM, SO HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS THIS, THE REASON WHY I PERSONALLY ADVOCATED FOR BRINGING VENUES INTO THIS FUND WAS BECAUSE THEY PRESENTED US THAT THE, THE VENUE ALLIANCE AND, AND, AND THEIR PRESENTATION TO US WAS THAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO FUNNEL THESE FUNDS TO MUSICIANS THROUGH THE VENUES THAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO USE THESE FUNDS TO PAY MUSICIANS A FAIR WAGE TO PLAY THEIR VENUES.

AND SO IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S COMPLETELY GONE AND , I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE.

CAN I SPEAK? UM, YEAH, I WOULD, I WAS GONNA YIELD TO COMM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, FROM THE WORKING GROUP.

YEAH, PLEASE GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND.

SURE.

UH, SO THE, UM, IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WERE HAVING, NUMBER ONE, UM, I WAS, I ASKED DIRECTLY, UH, BOTH NICOLE AND UM, UH, UH, FAROUT LOUNGE, UH, UM, IF MUSICIANS WERE GOING TO BE PRIORITIZED, IF, IF COMPENSATION FOR MUSICIANS WAS GOING TO BE PRIORITIZED, THEY ASSURED US THAT THEY WOULD, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF, THEY'RE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF VENUES.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M ASKING, YOU KNOW, AND I DID ASK THE QUESTION, AND A FEW OTHERS, I BELIEVE ASKED THE QUESTION ON BEHALF OF, UM, MUSICIANS.

UH, SO THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

HOWEVER, IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S, THERE MAY BE

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MORE NEED THAN WE THINK, WHICH IS, UM, WHY WE ALLOW FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE, I BELIEVE THE CAP FOR THE, UH, VENUE GRANT IS 60,000, AND I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT, UM, UM, SOMEWHERE, REMIND ME, I THINK IT STARTS AT 30,000.

IT SAID 30 FOR, UH, LESS THAN VENUES OPERATING, UH, WITH LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

RIGHT? BUT THOSE, THEY'RE NOT ANY OF THOSE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT.

THAT, THAT WE COMMONLY KNOW OF.

YEAH.

UM, AND, AND, AND, AND SO THE, IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT A LOT OF THIS MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO OPEX TO OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, UH, BOTH WHAT WE HEARD FROM RIVER RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM FAR OUT LOUNGE.

UM, AND THAT'S, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT IF ANYONE WANTS, ELSE, WANTS TO CHIME IN ON THAT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, UH, ARE THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, IS THAT OKAY? AND IF IT'S NOT SIGNED UP ON THE TOPIC.

OKAY.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

UH, PEDRO, WOULD YOU MIND COMING TO THE MIC AND SPEAKING? YEAH.

THANK YOU.

NOW, NOW, YEAH.

UM, IT WAS REALLY, REALLY AN HONOR TO BE PART OF THAT WORKING GROUP, AND IT'S SUPER COOL TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS TRYING TO MAKE AUSTIN A BETTER PLACE, UM, FOR MUSICIANS AND THE MUSIC SCENE IN GENERAL AND THE WHOLE ECOSYSTEM OF WHAT MAKES THE CITY SO GREAT.

UM, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

UM, I THINK THE IDEA OF GIVING ALL OF THE MONEY FROM THIS GRANT TO MUSICIANS IS IDEAL.

UM, I THINK IF WE