Mar 18, 2024 Electric Utility Commission

MY PROGRAM SPENT 42,000 AND SOLD 720 AND SCRAPPED 420 AND THAT'S BETTER THAN 51,000 GIVING MONEY TO PEOPLE THAT DON'T NEED IT AND ARE BUYING A GAS POWERED MOWER.

ANYWAY.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.

THANKS SCOTT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE AMOUNTS OF THE REBATES.

LIKE ARE THESE THE APPROPRIATE DOLLAR FIGURES TO ACTUALLY CHANGE CONSUMER BEHAVIOR? I DON'T THINK SO.

THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A LOW PRICE LEADER IN THE ELECTRIC MARKET.

THE, THE INDUSTRY LEADER FOR ELECTRIC IS EGO AND THEIR TOP LINE MODEL, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE AMP HOUR OF THE BATTERY AS MUCH AS THE FEATURES IS 700 TO SEVEN $50.

YOU COULD BUY A $550 ONE.

SO I'M SHARING THIS BECAUSE YOU ALL COULD MAKE YOUR MIND UP OF A, A $30 INCENTIVE WOULD CAUSE YOU TO SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA BUY THE EGO 'CAUSE I'M SAVING $30 AND IT'S A SIX TO $700 MOWER.

AS I PUT IN MY EMAIL FROM TODAY.

I DON'T THINK IT IS.

AND THE MARKET'S AT LEAST 60, 70% NATIONWIDES HOME DEPOTS 75%.

I DON'T THINK THAT PROGRAM IS, IS NEEDED AND IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE ENDED.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PROGRAM.

I DID IT PROFESSIONALLY, BUT ONLY WHEN YOU SCRAP OR TRY TO SCRAP THROUGH A LAYERED REBATE PROGRAM, A HIGHER REBATE FOR PEOPLE THAT LEAVE THEIR GAS POWER MOWER THERE THAT'S CRUSHED, MELTED DOWN AND FORMED INTO A REBAR OR OTHER BUILDING MATERIALS.

SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE ON THIS? SO YOU'VE ALREADY GONE TO THE COUNCIL, THERE'S A RESOLUTION.

UM, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON WHAT CYRUS WAS ASKING.

COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER, UH, LIKED THE IDEA.

I THINK IT WAS MORE OR LESS A UNIQUE IDEA FOR ME LAST FALL.

AND THEN HE WENT ON PATERNITY LEAVE AND HE LIKED THIS RESIDENTIAL PART, BUT KNEW THE COMMERCIAL PART WOULD BE, WOULD BE ADDED.

AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST VENUE FOR IT.

I, I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE JSC JOINED SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE BEFORE AS KAI.

SHE'S THE CHAIR.

AND, UH, I TALKED ABOUT A GAP IN THE CLIMATE EFFORT WITH REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE Y'ALL, UH, AT YOUR, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, AND I DON'T THINK THE RESOLUTION IS GONNA BE FULLY FORMED AND ADDRESSED IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

USUALLY IT'S SOME MONTHS AND THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE COUNCIL IS IN MAY.

THE ONE FOR THE JSC IS YOUR NEXT MEETING KIBA TO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN? YEAH.

AND, AND YEAH, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE 27TH, MARCH 27TH.

AND, AND THE STAFF FOR COUNCIL MEMBER AL RYAN ULTRAS OFFICE HAS SAID THIS COULD BE PART OF IT.

IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT, THAT IT WILL BE PART OF IT, THE EN THE INVESTMENT PART.

I WOULD JUST LIKE THIS PROGRAM TO BE STOPPED AND THEN REFORMED INTO SOME BETTER PROGRAM.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER RYAN ULTA'S OFFICE IS IN DISCUSSIONS.

THEIR STAFF IS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH A RR AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY TO FIND A WAY TO DO THE SCRAPPAGE PART AND PERHAPS THEY WOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON IT, NOT BECAUSE OF MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY'RE A BETTER DEPARTMENT TO DO IT, BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY PERHAPS HAVE MORE CAPACITY AND THEY CERTAINLY HAVE CONTACTS ON THE, ON THE SIDE TO GET THE MOWERS TO THE CORRECT PLACE TO HAVE THEM MELTED DOWN AND REFORMED INTO OTHER MATERIALS.

SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SURE.

I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ROBIN AND AMY AFTER TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MIRIAM SANCHEZ.

MIRIAM SANCHEZ, I GUESS SHE HAS LEFT.

THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS.

SO LET'S GO

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE? ANY REFINEMENTS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE? SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

WHO DO WE HAVE? YEAH, SO RO IS YOU, ROBIN, RIGHT.

SO WHO DO WE HAVE ONLINE? DAVID RO IS ME.

SO I THINK WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

AND THEN DAVID.

SO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE? YES.

COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ SAID HE'LL BE JOINING A LITTLE AFTER SIX 15.

OKAY,

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AND I'M SORRY, I MISSED WHO MADE THE MOTION.

THANK YOU JONATHAN AND RANDY SECONDED.

AND THEN DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS. WE HAVE TWO THROUGH 11.

ANYONE WANNA DISCUSS ANY INDIVIDUAL ONES? UM, THE CLEAR RESULT, THE DEMAND RESPONSE ONE WITH THAT NUMBER TWO.

MM-HMM.

FIVE.

ANY OTHERS YOU WANNA SEE? OKAY, SO, NO, IT'S A MIRACLE.

WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION FOR TWO AND FIVE.

WHAT ABOUT APPROVAL FOR 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, AND 11? YOU MEAN THREE, FOUR? I'M SORRY.

THREE AND FOUR.

THREE AND FOUR AND SIX THROUGH 11.

SORRY.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE APPROVAL.

MOVE APPROVAL SECOND BY JONATHAN.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

WHO'S GONNA TALK ABOUT NUMBER TWO? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS TO RICHARD GENESEE, VICE PRESIDENT OF CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS.

[2. Recommend authorizing negotiation and execution of a contract for demand response program support and consulting services with CLEAResult Consulting, Inc., for up to three years for a total contract amount not to exceed $2,300,000.]

UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR GET SOME AS ASSISTANCE IF I NEED IT.

SO THIS IS A, UM, CONTRACT WITH CLEAR RESULTS TO HELP YOU GUYS WORK ON DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAMS. I GUESS FOR, IT'S A, IT'S A SEVERAL YEAR CONTRACT.

UM, BUT THIS IS ONLY INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL TYPE DEMAND RESPONSE, IS THAT? YEAH, IT'S FOR INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL SECTORS OF DEMAND RESPONSE, MARKETING, EDUCATION, UM, AND OTHER, UH, ASPECTS OF SERVICING THE DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAM.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

AND, UM, DURING THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OF THE RESOURCE PLAN, ONE OF THE ISSUES BROUGHT UP WAS THE NEED TO FOCUS, UM, NOT JUST ON SUMMER PRODUCTS, BUT ALSO ON WINTER PRODUCTS.

GIVEN SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE GRID HAS HAD AND ALSO WE'VE HAD HERE LOCALLY.

DO YOU KNOW, IS THIS, UM, IS THIS CONTRACT WIDE ENOUGH SO THEY CAN LOOK AT DEMAND RESPONSE PROJECTS? , A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS CONTRACT IS ON THE ANALYSIS AND ON THE NUMBER CRUNCHING ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, ASSESSING THE PERFORMANCE OF DEMAND RESPONSE.

AND SO THAT, THAT WOULD ENABLE, UH, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE PERFORMANCE OF, UH, SUMMER AND WINTER.

GOT IT.

AND MY FINAL QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE A SIMILAR CONTRACT, UM, FOR DOING SOMETHING ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD HANDLE IN HOUSE? NO, WE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T HANDLE IT IN HOUSE, I DON'T THINK.

BUT I'LL CALL UP, UH, SARAH TO ADDRESS THE OTHER PORTION.

SARAH NORRIS, UH, DIRECTOR OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY SERVICES.

UM, YES TO, TO RICHARD'S POINT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SEPARATE CONTRACT THAT ADMINISTERS OUR RESIDENTIAL DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAMS. UM, THE RFP FOR THAT CLOSED THE WEEK BEFORE LAST AND THE RESPONDENTS ARE BEING EVALUATED RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO BOTH OF THOSE CONTRACTS WILL HAVE CAPACITY FOR ADMINISTERING WINTER FACING DR PROGRAMS. HOWEVER, WE ARE LOOKING TO, UM, DO GET A THIRD PARTY ANALYSIS ON THE PROGRAM DESIGN, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THESE TWO CONTRACTS.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON NUMBER TWO? OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY MOTION? SURE.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

I SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SAY AYE.

FIVE, CAPITAL MEDICAL SERVICES.

ALRIGHT, NUMBER

[5. Recommend authorizing negotiation and execution of a contract for mobile medical surveillance and related services with Capitol Medical Services, LLC, for up to three years for a total contract amount not to exceed $500,000. ]

KATHLEEN GARRETT, INTERIM VICE PRESIDENT OF POWER PRODUCTION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

IF, IF I UNDERSTAND FROM THE DESCRIPTION, THIS IS ENVISIONS A, UH, MOBILE

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UNIT TO DO HEALTH CHECKUPS FOR AE, IS THIS FOR THE WORK FIELD WORKERS WHO ARE CLIMBING POLES AND, UH, YES SIR.

IT'S FOR THE POWER.

THE FOLKS, ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS FOLKS THAT WORK IN THE POWER PLANTS AND OUR LINEMEN WE'RE REQUIRED TO MONITOR, LIKE HEARING PROTECTION.

AND IF THEY HAVE TO WEAR RESPIRATORS, WE DO FIT TESTS.

IF THEY'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO ASBESTOS, THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE CHECKS, CHEST X-RAYS.

SO IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO MONITOR IT.

AND IT'S STRICTLY FOR, FOR THAT GROUP OF EMPLOYEES? YES.

IT'S NOT AES? OH, NO, NO, NO.

IT'S STRICTLY FOR OPERATIONAL.

OH.

AND, UH, IS IN INDUSTRIAL SETTINGS.

IS THIS A NEW, IS THIS A NEW PROGRAM OR HAS THIS BEEN OPERATING FOR YEARS? OH, THIS HAS BEEN AROUND.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THE MOBILE UNITS.

THE MOBILE UNITS ARE GONNA HELP US IN THAT.

WE'LL GET MORE OF OUR EMPLOYEES SCREENED.

WE USED TO DO IT WITH CONCENTRA AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE, LEAVE THEIR WORK DRIVE.

IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF CHUNK OF THEIR DAY.

THEY'D HAVE TO GO AND SIT AND WAIT AND CONCENTRA TO GET IN AND HAVE THE, THE TESTS DONE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THIS IS JUST TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE IT, GET A BETTER IDEA OF RECORD KEEPING AND STUFF.

EMPLOYEES ALL WILL GO, THEY'LL GET THEIR SCREENINGS, WE'LL HAVE DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS OF IT.

WE WERE HAVING ISSUES TRYING TO GET THOSE RECORDS SOMETIMES FROM CONCENTRA.

SO THIS WILL HELP, UM, CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THIS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FIVE? OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION? SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SEE? AYE.

FIVE PASSES.

SO I THINK WE'RE THROUGH THAT NUMBER

[12. Approve FY25 City of Austin Budget Recommendations. (Sponsors: Chair Tuttle, Vice Chair White)]

UH, I'M GONNA RECUSE MYSELF ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE OF MY EMPLOYMENT, UH, WITH LCRA.

BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WHO WANTS TO DISCUSS THIS AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION RECOMMENDATION? YEAH.

UH, LET'S, UH, I, IF I COULD JUST SAY, YEAH, WE COULD BREAK THIS INTO THREE ITEMS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE ON THE OTHERS.

I'M JUST, JUST WANTED TO WHATEVER, THROW THAT OUT THERE.

DON'T YOU GO.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT WERE THE MAIN POINTS.

FOR THAT PURPOSE, UM, FOR THAT BUILD LIST COUNT THAT WHICH ALREADY EXISTS AND IS BEING CONTEMPLATED IS SOMETHING THAT WILL CONTINUE IN THE EXPANDED PROGRAM.

THE, THE THREE MAIN POINTS ARE DEALING, ARE DEALING WITH THE LOW INCOME, UH, I'LL MENTION FIRST THE LOW INCOME DISCOUNTS.

AS, AS, AS SOME OF YOU RECALL, AUSTIN ENERGY, IT IMPROVED THE CAP PROGRAM DURING THE PANDEMIC RAISED THE, UH, DISCOUNT TO 15% THE, FOR ELIGIBLE PERSONS WHO HAD BEEN INCOME CERTIFIED THROUGH THE CAP PROGRAM, COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND, UH, AND ALL OF WHICH IS ABOUT A YEAR AGO THAT WENT AWAY.

UH, KIND OF A POST PANDEMIC.

UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE'VE SEEN, UH, SKYROCKETING SHELTER COSTS PRIMARILY IN, IN FOR PEOPLE THAT RENT.

AND, UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO, UH, BASE RATES AND PSA RATES, UH, SO ALL OF WHICH IS, UH, THIS IS INTENDED BASICALLY TO HOLD PEOPLE HARMLESS, UH, AND, AND TO MAKE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THOSE MOST VULNERABLE.

IN AUSTIN, UH, PROBABLY 50, 60,000 PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, UH, ARE, ARE HOUSEHOLDS, UH, WHO ARE ADVERSELY AFFECTED.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU, KAIA, FOR TWO AND THREE.

WE, I GUESS I CAN JUST SPEAK TO ONE.

ONE B IS, YOU KNOW, ON THE SAME KIND OF TOPIC OF BILL DISCOUNTS.

UH, SO WE GROUPED THEM HERE, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST ADDRESSING, UM, THAT WE HAVE THIS, WE HAVE THIS FUND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY PROVIDING, UH, BILL DISCOUNTS.

AND THERE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME ONGOING DISCUSSION OF HOW DISCOUNTS FOR LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS, UM, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM WILL BE PAID FOR.

AND THIS IS WOULD JUST BE INDICATING SUPPORT FOR USING THE FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED FROM CUSTOMERS.

FOR THAT,

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AND THEN THE TRANSMISSION ONE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO WAS THE LEAD ON THAT, IT WASN'T ME, BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

THAT'S JUST A REITERATION OF OUR, UH, STANDING SUPPORT FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITH THE TRANSMISSION IMPROVEMENTS IN TRANSMISSION, WHICH AS WE KNOW, THERE'S A BOTTLENECK THERE.

AND THIS, THIS INDICATES TO COUNSEL OUR SUPPORT.

AND THE THIRD ONE WAS FAYETTE.

YOU WANNA DESCRIBE THAT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

ESSENTIALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, INDICATING ALIGN WITH THE ESTABLISHED POLICY PRIORITY OF GETTING THE PLANT SHUT DOWN TO, UM, NOT INCLUDE INVESTMENTS, UH, IN THE PLANT, IN THE, IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET.

AND, AND AGAIN, AND TO CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING ANY, ANY SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND WOULD BE, UH, YEAH, THAT'S THE INTENTION.

YEAH, THAT'S HOW I READ INVESTMENTS IS, YEAH, MAYBE WE NEED TO ADD THE WORD CAPITAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT NORMAL OPERATIONS.

I, I, I'M AGNOSTIC AS TO THAT.

I THINK THE WORD INVESTMENTS SAYS THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ADD THAT WORD THERE TOO.

SO WHY DON'T YOU PUT CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IN THAT THEN? SO CAN, I'M A LITTLE NEW TO THIS, SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE ON WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE? I GUESS THE AUSTIN ENERGY HAS ITS BUDGET COMING UP.

HAVE DID, DO THEY HAVE INVESTMENTS IN THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET? SO, UM, THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS IS THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THIS MONTH TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND, UM, BY NATURE OF THE KIND OF BUDGET CYCLE TIMING, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DON'T GET, UH, TO SEE ANY PROPOSED BUDGET.

SO IN ADVANCE OF THOSE, SO THESE ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE SPECIFIC IF YOU KNOW THAT SOMETHING'S TOTALLY UNFUNDED AND YOU NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR IT.

BUT IT CAN ALSO JUST BE MORE GENERAL KIND OF POLICY, YOU KNOW, BUDGET POLICY GUIDANCE.

AND THIS IS GOING TO THE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AUSTIN ENERGY, BUT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE COLLECTS ALL OF THE BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND WHERE DID THESE THREE COME FROM? THEY CAME, YEAH, I KNOW THE THREE OF US WERE THERE.

I THINK IT WAS THE THREE THREE OF US.

AND, AND, AND THIS IS CONSISTENT AND THE, THE, THIS IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN THAT WE, THAT WE RECOMMENDED TO COUNCIL, UH, AT, AT THE PRIOR, AT THE PRIOR MEETING.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

WHAT, WHAT PRIOR MEETING, WHAT IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET CYCLE? WE MADE FAIRLY SIMILAR RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU MEAN LAST YEAR? LAST YEAR.

ALRIGHT.

SO SORT OF, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF REPEATING OURSELVES OR WERE YOU REFERRING TO THE RESOURCE PLAN RECOMMENDATION? YEAH.

OH, I'M SORRY.

THE RESOURCE, THE RESOURCE PLAN INCLUDED ITEMS TWO.

ITEMS TWO AND THREE AND THREE.

UH, THE DISCOUNT RECOMME, THE DISCOUNT RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REITERATE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT TO REITERATE THE RECOMMENDATION PREVIOUS.

SO DO WE NEED TO BREAK THESE APART TO GET A VOTE FOR IN EACH INDIVIDUALLY OR ARE WE FINE WITH ALL THREE? NO, I DO, I I DO THINK INVESTMENTS IS, NEEDS TO BE QUALIFIED A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK WE SAID WE'D ADD THE WORD CAPITAL IN FRONT OF INVESTMENTS ON THAT ONE.

UM, I GUESS IN TERMS OF BREAKING THEM APART, IT, I MEAN, CSAR, DO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO VOTE? UNLESS I, YEAH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M FINISHED.

WE WERE TO DO THAT, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THIS FUND? IS THERE EVEN MONEY FOR THAT? DO WE KNOW OR? WELL, THE, THE FUND, THE FUND IS ADJUSTED AN ANNUALLY, UH, AS PART OF THE BUDGETARY PROCESS.

SO ON ONE, JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE, YOU'RE SAYING THE BILL DISCOUNT RIGHT NOW IS ZERO.

YOU RECOMMEND INCREASING IT TO 15%? NO, IT'S 10%.

OH, OKAY.

GOTCHA.

I MEAN, HAVE YOU, AND THIS IS GONNA BE PAID FROM THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FUND, HAVE YOU, LIKE, HOW DOES THAT, IF

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SO, UH, YOU KNOW, LONG RUN, THERE'S MONEY IN IT NOW, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT IS THAT THEY COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE FUND, WHICH INCLUDES MONEY FOR WEATHERIZATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, BUT IT MUST THAT THE FUND IS SUFFICIENT.

SO YEAH, THERE'S A REVENUE SIDE AS WELL AS WELL AS, UH, UH, EXPENDITURE.

SO IF, I MEAN, IF THIS AUSTIN ENERGY MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT DO WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE ALLOCATION TO THE FUND OR CUT FROM OTHER AREAS IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

DO, DO YOU, I MEAN, HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY INPUT FROM MOS ENERGY STAFF ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR? WE HAVE NOT.

IT, THIS WAS PRESENTED BEFORE.

THIS WAS PRESENTED BEFORE, IT WAS NOT ADOPTED BY COUNSEL A YEAR AGO.

UH, AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SINCE THEN IS, IS PEOPLE BEING DISPLACED BECAUSE OF AFFORDABILITY.

SO THIS ONE OF THE PURPOSES IS ADDRESSING AFFORDABILITY AND WE'VE, WE HAVE SEEN ADJUSTMENTS IN, IN, UH, PEOPLE'S RATES SINCE THEN.

SO THIS, THE INTENT IS TO, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SHELTER COST BEING ALMOST 50% OF PEOPLE'S BUDGETS, THIS FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE, THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON SNAP, UH, MET AND MEDICAID, BASICALLY THEY'RE ALL BEEN QUALIFIED FOR THE PROGRAM.

SO BASICALLY IT WILL PROVIDE A COUPLE, $3 A MONTH ON THEIR BENEFIT, UH, UH, TO AN EXISTING PROGRAM.

UM, YEAH, I WOULD SAY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TO GO FROM 10% TO 15%, THERE IS A COST BECAUSE YOU WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO INCREASE THE CUSTOMER BENEFIT, UH, FEE.

SO I WOULD EXPECT IF THIS RECOMMENDATION WENT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL AUSTIN ENERGY, I WOULD ASSUME, WOULD CERTAINLY PREPARE SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, FIGURES, WHAT IT MIGHT COST.

UM, THERE, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU COULD SAY THE 15% IS NOT ALL YEAR.

IT COULD BE FOR THE SUMMER MONTHS, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE HAD AT THE STATE PROGRAM WHEN WE HAD A STATE PROGRAM, UH, WHICH NO LONGER EXISTS.

BUT, UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT BE 15%, SHOULD IT BE 10, SHOULD IT BE 12? YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT BE SUMMER MONTHS? RIGHT.

AND, AND THE STATE, UM, GOOD POINT.

THE STATE PROGRAM WAS, WAS 15% AND AT ONE POINT THEY HAD SO MUCH MONEY IN THE FUND, A BILLION DOLLARS IN THE FUND, IT WENT UP TO 80%.

UH, BUT, UH, BUT ALL OF WHICH IS THE GOING FROM 10% DISCOUNT TO 15%, NOT MUCH.

SO, DAVE, CAN I JUMP IN A SECOND? SO CYRUS IS CORRECT, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO RAISE THE CUSTOMER BENEFIT CHARGE TO ALL THE OTHER CUSTOMERS TO COLLECT EXTRA 5%.

FOR THE, FOR THE TYPICAL CUSTOMER.

IS THERE A BALLPARK WHAT THAT FIGURE IS? GOOD EVENING.

STUART RILEY, DEPUTY GENERAL MANAGER OF BUSINESS SERVICES.

SO I DON'T KNOW A BALLPARK FIGURE OF HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST.

UM, I WILL JUST POINT OUT THAT CURRENTLY WITH THE 10% CUSTOMER, UH, BILL DISCOUNT ON THEIR ELECTRIC BILL, AS WELL AS WAIVING THE CUSTOMER CHARGE, THAT'S GOING UP TO $15 AND ALSO WAIVING THE CAP CHARGE, THE CUSTOMERS NOW FOR YOUR TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER IS NOW RECEIVING AN EFFECTIVE 23% BILL DISCOUNT, UM, WITH THE CURRENT, UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM.

UM, I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT RIGHT NOW WE ARE EXPANDING THE CAP PROGRAM AIMING TO GET 90,000 PEOPLE INTO THE CAP PROGRAM.

SO HAVING 20% OR SO OF OUR CUSTOMERS ENROLLED IN CAP, IT JUST BECOMES A LOT MORE PRESSURE ON OUR RATES TO HAVE OTHER CUSTOMERS FOOT THE BILL.

WE'D ALL LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, WE ALREADY HAVE THE BEST CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IN THE NATION.

UH, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A, A GREATER DISCOUNT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE GOING UP IN OUR ALL IN RATES TO PUT THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS ONTO THE OTHER CUSTOMERS.

RIGHT NOW, WHEN THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM CUSTOMERS ARE ALREADY SEEING THIS 23%, UH,

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SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

BUT OF COURSE, IF THE, UH, EUC WERE TO ADOPT THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK INTO THAT AND, YOU KNOW, IF FEASIBLE WE'D, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING DATA TO COUNCIL AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

LET, LET ME CLARIFY THOUGH WHAT IT'S NOT, WE'RE TALKING 23 PER, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FEE WAIVERS, THE ACTUAL, THE FEE WAIVERS, WHICH ARE, ARE, ARE LONG STANDING.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING 10% TO 15%.

WE'RE TALKING ONLY THE FROM THE 10% DISCOUNT.

I I I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ALL IN WHAT THE CUSTOMER SEES IN TERMS CUSTOMERS DON'T PAY RATES.

YOU KNOW, THEY PAY THEIR BILL AND WHAT ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS FOR THE TYPICAL CAP CUSTOMER, THEY'RE CURRENTLY SEEING A 23% REDUCTION TO THEIR ENERGY BILL.

UM, WE ALSO SEE THAT THE ENERGY BURDEN FOR AUSTIN CUSTOMERS IS ALREADY, YOU MENTIONED CUSTOMERS BEING DISPLACED FROM THE AUSTIN AREA AND GOING ELSEWHERE.

UM, BUT UH, THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF ENERGY BURDEN FOR THE AUSTIN CUSTOMER VERSUS CUSTOMERS IN THE REST OF THE STATE IS ALREADY MUCH BETTER, ESPECIALLY FOR LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS IN TERMS OF THE ENERGY BURDEN IN AUSTIN IS, IS FAR LESS THAN IF THEY WERE TO MOVE ELSEWHERE.

SO JUST ANOTHER DATA POINT TO KEEP IN MIND.

SO I KNOW IT'S SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF WORK, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DOLLARIZE THAT DELTA GOING FROM 10 TO 15 AND MAKING THE COUNCIL AWARE OF IT.

SO I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN THAT UNLESS IT WAS A HUGE BURDEN ON STAFF TO DO THAT.

BUT I DON'T THINK SO.

UM, ANYBODY DESIRE TO BREAK THAT APART INTO A SEPARATE LINE ITEM TO VOTE ON THE 15%? IF, IF I COULD JUST ADD, I JUST PULLED UP MY BILL FOR A LITTLE CONTEXT AND THE TOTAL OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS CHARGES, OF WHICH THE CAP CHARGES ONE OF, I THINK THREE WAS 5 47 ON MY LAST BILL.

JUST TO LIKE, PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, LIKE FOR THE REST OF US WHO ARE PAYING INTO THESE PROGRAMS, LIKE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO $5 AND 47.

YEAH, I, I WOULD PREFER TO SPLIT THAT ONE OUT FROM THE OTHER TWO.

OKAY, WELL LET'S DO THAT.

UM, WHAT ABOUT PASSING TWO AND THREE? DO WE HAVE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS TWO AND THREE AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THE OTHER SEPARATELY.

A SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

WELL, CAN I JUST CONFIRM THAT THE, UH, WORD CAPITAL IS BEING ADDED TO? YES.

NUMBER THREE, CAPITAL INVESTMENTS? YES.

SORRY.

YEAH, I'LL MAKE THAT EDIT BEFORE IT GETS, UH, SENT IN TO BE POSTED.

SO LET'S LOOP BACK AROUND TO NUMBER ONE.

SHALL MOVE? I DON'T THINK WE VOTED YET 'CAUSE I INTERRUPTED YOUR .

OH, YOUR FACILITATION.

WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON TWO AND THREE YET.

I THOUGHT WE DID TWO AND THREE THIS MATTER.

I THINK JUST NEED RAUL, I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO VOTE THE REST OF US HERE BY, OH, SORRY, I, I CAN'T SEE ALL.

YOU'RE TOO SMALL ON .

I VOTE IN FAVORS.

THANK YOU, .

OKAY, WHAT ABOUT DISCUSSION ON ONE? UM, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

CAN I, UM, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T ABLE TO COLLECT THE MOTION AND SECOND FOR ITEMS TWO AND FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD.

YEAH, TWO AND THREE.

YEAH, I MADE, SORRY, WE GOT TOO MANY LIGHTS ON.

UM, OKAY.

UM, I MADE THE MOTION AND DID RANDY SECOND.

AND THEN EVERYONE PRESENT VOTED IN FAVOR OF TWO AND THREE WITH THE WORD CAPITAL IN FRONT OF INVESTMENT.

THE DEFAULT BILL DISCOUNT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO ON NUMBER ONE, JONATHAN, I'M WONDERING IF YOU, HAVE, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT PART A, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON PART B? LIKE WE COULD SPLIT THOSE TWO, WE COULD SPLIT THOSE IN TWO AS WELL.

IF I, I MEAN, TO ME, I I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFO TO HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION ON THIS.

NOT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, FISCAL CONSEQUENCES OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOME, YOU KNOW, BASIC DETAILS.

I, THAT'S MY POSITION.

IF, UM, IF WE ADJUSTED THE LANGUAGE SLIGHTLY TO SAY THE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER RANDY WOULD AGREE TO THIS.

I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE, THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSIONER RECOMMENDS THAT, UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE, UM, CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER EXPANDING

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SO IT'S MORE OF A CONSIDERATION, LIKE LOOK INTO IT.

UH, WHY DON'T WE SIMPLY SAY THE INCREASE DROP AT TWO 15%, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE WITH YOU? 'CAUSE I'D LIKE IT TO BE UNANIMOUS.

I MEAN, I, I PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFO TO SAY THIS IS WHAT, IT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE INCREASED TO.

UM, I MEAN THE, OUR AUSTIN ENERGY STAFF MEMBER JUST SAID THAT THE AVERAGE DISCOUNT IS AT 23%, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN THE, I MEAN, NO, THE DISCOUNT, THE DISCOUNT IS NOT, THE PEOPLE IN THE CAP PROGRAM PAY 23% LESS.

BUT THE DISCOUNT IS, IS 10%.

WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BEING THEY DO NOT PAY FOR LIKE YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE FEE, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE BILL NOT THERE.

AND THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 20 SOMETHING, AT LEAST 20 YEARS.

UH, UH, SO, AND THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE CAP FEE.

'CAUSE THAT'D BE LIKE TAXING YOURSELF.

SO, BUT THE ACTUAL DISCOUNT ON YOUR BASE RATE IS 10%.

SO, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THE FIX.

BUT IF YOU'D PREFER, YOU KNOW, TO SIMPLY USE THE WORD INCREASE, THE I'M HAPPY WITH THAT, BUT TO LEAVE IT ALONE WHILE WE'RE SEEING THE PSA GO UP BE ADJUSTED THREE TIMES THIS, THIS YEAR AND THAT, AND PEOPLE DO PAY FOR THAT, THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE CHARGES THAT'S WAIVED.

SO AS, AS WE, AS WE SEE THE POWER SUPPLY ADJUSTMENT GOING UP AND UP AND PEOPLE, AS WE HEARD, BEING PRICED OUTTA AUSTIN AND COMPARING IT TO OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE WHERE WE'RE NOT SEEING THE EXPLODING PRICES OF RENTS.

UH, 'CAUSE YOU LOOK AT SHELTER COSTS, YOU LOOK AT SHELTER COSTS AND ELECTRICITY IS, IS A SIGNIFICANT PART.

WILL IT OFFSET WHAT LANDLORDS ARE STEPPING UP? NO.

AND AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT, BUT IT IS TO KEEP PEOPLE HARMLESS.

UM, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, THE REASON I BROUGHT UP THE CU THE FIXED CHARGE, THE CUSTOMER CHARGE IS BECAUSE AS THAT HAS GONE UP, UM, IT'S A GREATER DISCOUNT TO A CAP CUSTOMER.

SO WHERE IT WAS $6 AND THEN $10 AND IS GOING UP TO $15 AS A FIXED CHARGE, THAT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL, UM, WAIVER FOR CAP CUSTOMERS ALREADY EMBEDDED.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK THAT ADDITIONAL $5 BEING WAIVED AND YOUR, YOUR AVERAGE CUSTOMER, UH, CAP CUSTOMER PAYING ABOUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH, THAT'S ABOUT 5% RIGHT THERE.

UM, SO THAT'S THE REASON I, I BRING THAT UP.

BUT, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE REASON, UM, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE COULD DO THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC WAS BECAUSE WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT OVER RECOVERY IN THE, IN THE, UH, CAP, UH, IN AN OVER RECOVERY OF CAP FUNDS OF THE CAP CHARGE.

AND RAISING THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM DISCOUNT TO 15% ALLOWED US TO, TO SPEND DOWN THAT CAP OVER RECOVERY.

UM, INSTEAD OF FLOWING THAT MONEY BACK.

BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE KNEW THAT, UM, NON CAP CUSTOMERS WEREN'T ASKING TO GET THAT MONEY BACK.

UM, IT WAS MUCH BETTER SPENT GIVING THAT MONEY TO CAP CUSTOMERS BY INCREASING.

AND WE, UH, AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP RAISING THE CAP CHARGE AS WE ENROLL MORE CAP CUSTOMERS.

AND SO THAT'S JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONTEXT AS WELL.

I MEAN, IT, IT PROBABLY IS A GOOD IDEA.

I GUESS MY ISSUE IS THAT US DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND THAT IT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE INCREASED TO 15% WITHOUT KNOWING LIKE THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.

WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT JUST SEEMS PREMATURE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A FUNCTION OF US HAVING TO MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THE, THEY ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET.

SO IT'S KIND OF AWKWARD WHERE WE'RE AT.

IT IS AWKWARD .

UM, I I ACTUALLY DO LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION, RANDY.

WE COULD JUST SAY INCREASED IT SHOULD BE INCREASED AND HOW THEY INCREASED IT.

WHAT AMOUNT IS IT? JUST THE SUMMER MONTHS.

AND, AND THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO SAY WE'RE, WE'RE GENERALLY WANT, WE WANT MORE, BUT YEAH, MORE, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS.

SO HOW WOULD YOU ADJUST IT? HOW WOULD YOU ADJUST THE LANGUAGE? UH, SIMPLY DELETE THE, DELETE THE WORD TWO, THE TWO WORDS, TWO 15%.

SIMPLY SAY, EXCUSE ME, SIMPLY SAY BE INCREASED AS IT WAS DURING THE COVID TIME.

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SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED.

SO MOVED SECOND.

OH, I'M SORRY.

AND WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE AMENDED, I'M SORRY.

WAS IT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS? WAS THAT THE AMENDMENT OR NO, IT WAS DELETING THE WORDS.

TWO 15% IN ITEM ONE A.

OH, I SEE.

BE INCREASED AS IT WAS DURING THE, YEAH, SO JUST REMAINING SILENT ON THE AMOUNT.

I JUST, JONATHAN, DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN? OKAY, THANKS.

I THINK HIS CONCERN IS JUST THE OVERALL ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THE REVENUE SIDE, ET CETERA, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, RIGHT .

SURE.

UH, I, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

THE, WITH THE AMENDED AMENDED VERSION.

SO WE HAVE TWO 15% REMOVED, SO IT'LL JUST READ THE DEFAULT BILL.

DISCOUNT FOR CUSTOMERS ELIGIBLE FOR THE CAP PROGRAM WILL BE INCREASED AS IT WAS DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.

AND, AND, AND THE BEAT AS PART OF THAT TOO.

ALL IN FAVOR WITH THE REVISED, SAY AYE RO AYE.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO GO WITH 14 FIRST STAFF BRIEFING ON THE RESOURCE GENERATION AND CLIMATE PROTECTION PLAN.

WE AYE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

OKAY, NOW WE HAVE 13 AND 14.

UM,

[14. Staff briefing on the Resource, Generation, and Climate Protection Plan by Bob Kahn, General Manager and Lisa Martin, Deputy General Manager and Chief Operating Officer. ]

HOW ABOUT IF WE SWITCH 13 AND 14 EVENING? BOB CONN GENERAL MANAGER, UH, LISA'S GONNA BE GETTING UP HERE IN A FEW MINUTES.

SO THERE, SHE'S SITTING OVER THERE, UH, TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAILED THOUGHTS ON A PATH FORWARD FOR THE GENERATION RESOURCE PLAN.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS BEFORE SHE GETS STARTED.

UM, I ASSUME Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE MEMO THAT WE ISSUED WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING A PAUSE, UM, ON THE GENERATION AND CLIMATE PROTECTION PLAN UPDATE.

SO WE'RE PAUSING THE PROCESS.

WE WANT TO TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME TO MORE THOROUGHLY ANALYZE GENERATION RESOURCES, DEMAND SITE MANAGER, UH, MEASURES WHILE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY EEC AND CITY LEADERSHIP TO ANALYZE AND SHARE KEY RISKS AND BENEFITS OF, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

WE ALL HAVE THE SAME GOAL, WHICH I THINK I SAID ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO.

, RIGHT? 2035 CARBON FREE.

SO SAME GOAL, IT'S JUST HOW WE GET THERE, I GUESS.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TALKING TO LCRA ABOUT FAYETTE.

WE WANNA EXIT FAYETTE.

WE WANNA ENGAGE IN FURTHER COLLABORATION WITH, WITH Y'ALL AND THE WORKING GROUP.

UM, CONDUCT ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION, LOOK AT DEMAND SIDE MANAGEMENT, LOOK AT THOSE GOALS.

OF COURSE YOU HEARD RICHARD UP HERE EARLIER ON THAT, AND SARAH, UM, WE WANNA LOOK AT MORE.

WE'RE GONNA ISSUE SOME RFPS, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR MEMO.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME CONFUSION, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE 2030 PLAN, BUT WE HAD IT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T REALLY MESH VERY WELL, BUT OUR GOAL WAS 2035 CARBON FREE.

AND ONE THOUGHT IS, WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT GOING FORWARD, IS DO WE LOOK NOW AT A 2035 PLAN INSTEAD OF 2030? SO THAT'S JUST, JUST ONE THOUGHT.

UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK ON HOW WE HANDLED THIS THING, WE BE IN AUSTIN ENERGY, ME, WHATEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT RELIABILITY AND WE MADE PRESENTATIONS AND I THINK WE AND OTHERS QUICKLY MOVED TO THE SOLUTIONS AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SPENT MORE TIME DISCUSSING VALUES AND THE DIFFERENT RISKS, GET AGREEMENTS ON ALL THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE MOVED TO THE SOLUTIONS.

AND WE REALLY DIDN'T DO THAT.

SO ONE, ONE THING THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING DOING IS HIRING A FACILITATOR, UM, THAT I THINK WILL HELP MOVE US ALONG WHERE WE CAN ALL MOVE TOGETHER, DISCUSS VALUES, RISKS, AGREE ON WHAT THOSE ARE, AND THEN

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COME UP AND WORK THROUGH WHAT SOLUTIONS ARE.

UM, SO ANYWAYS, WE BELIEVE A, A NEUTRAL FACILITATOR WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

I THINK IT'LL STRUCTURE OUR DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK IT'LL HELP US REACH A GOOD OUTCOME.

SO THAT IS MY MAIN THINGS I WANTED TO, TO MENTION.

SO YOU HAD SLIDES, BUT YOU DIDN'T SHOW THE SLIDE OR SHE'S GONNA SHOW THE SLIDES.

SHE HAS SLIDES.

OKAY, GOT IT.

YEAH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DO SLIDES, SO I JUST LIKE TALKING, BUT, UH, SHE'S GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION.

ANY QUESTIONS? UH, ONE QUICK QUESTION.

SURE.

WITH RESPECT TO FAYETTE, WHAT, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN, OR, AND SINCE THERE WAS A FACE-TO-FACE MEETING, UH, BETWEEN LEADERSHIP BUT ATTORNEYS AND LCRA, WE'VE HAD RECENT DISCUSSIONS IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS FACE TO FACE.

YES, CORRECT.

AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.

SO, UM, I, IF LISA'S GONNA COVER THIS IN HER PRESENTATION THEN, THEN I'M HAPPY TO WAIT.

BUT, UM, WHAT, FOR THE PRESENTATION I SAW, WHAT MIGHT BE MISSING AND EVEN IN YOUR COMMENTS IS A SENSE OF THE TIMING OF ALL OF THIS IS, IS, IS THE SENSE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD TRY TO GET, TAKE SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL BY THE END OF THE YEAR? OR ARE YOU THINKING IT'S GOING TO BLEED INTO 2025 OR YOU'RE NOT SURE YET? I THINK, OF COURSE IT'S NOT UP TO ME.

BUT I THINK END OF THE YEAR WOULD, WOULD BE FINE.

OF COURSE, IT DEPENDS WHAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT.

UM, BUT I THINK, AND OF COURSE IT WILL DEPEND ON THE FACILITATOR.

I'M SURE THEY HAVE A PROCESS THEY GO THROUGH WHERE WE'LL HAVE MEETINGS, STRUCTURED MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN AGREE ON THINGS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS THAT WILL TAKE.

UM, 'CAUSE WE DO WANNA WORK TOGETHER AND TRY AND BRING ONE PROPOSAL TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN WE ULTIMATELY GET THERE.

SO END OF THE YEAR WOULD BE GREAT.

I GUESS JUST A COMMENT ON THAT TIMELINE.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU AIM FOR THE END OF THE YEAR, THE NEW WELL MIGHT END UP IN THE NEXT YEAR AND THERE ARE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE GONNA BE ROLLING OFF, AND I THINK IT IS IN ALL OF OUR INTERESTS TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD WITH THIS GROUP BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ENGAGING IN THE ISSUE.

SO JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT I WOULD HOPE YOU MIGHT AIM A LITTLE EARLIER TO GIVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL PROCESS TOO.

AND THEY WON'T ROLL OFF TILL JANUARY.

A DESIRE FOR A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, WE ARE CONSIDERING BRINGING IN A THIRD PARTY FACILITATOR TO WORK THROUGH CHALLENGING CONVERSATIONS AND ENGAGE ALL VOICES IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WHEN YOU SAY END OF THE YEAR, I HEAR DECEMBER AND I HEAR, OKAY.

YEAH, JUST, YEAH, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THAT NEUTRAL FACILITATOR ON BOARD? WE ARE, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE WORKING ON IT ALREADY.

THANKS, BOB.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, LISA MARTIN, AUSTIN, ER ENERGY'S CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM BOB, AND AS YOU READ IN THE MEMO, UH, TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AUSTIN ER ENERGY HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE NEED TO PAUSE THE CURRENT PROCESS OF A RESOURCE GENERATION AND PROTECTION PLAN, UH, AND CLIMATE PROTECTION PLAN, AND ADDRESS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED PATH FORWARD.

IT WAS CLEAR FROM OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS THE EUC WORKING GROUPS THAT WE WERE ON A PATH TO SEPARATE PROPOSALS.

WE ARE PAUSING BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO PURSUE FURTHER STAKEHOLDER COLLABORATION AND GATHER MORE INFORMATION ON ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN SUPPORT OUR GROWING CUSTOMER BASE AND THE CHANGING ENERGY MARKET.

BUT WE KNOW ONE THING FOR CERTAIN, THE PEOPLE OF AUSTIN CARE ABOUT RELIABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY, AND AFFORDABILITY.

AND IT'S OUR COLLECTIVE JOB TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE OF THESE SHARED VALUES SO THAT IT REQUIRES ACCEPTING THE HARD TRUTH, THAT WE MUST TAKE A STEP BACK, AND THAT OUR EFFORTS THUS FAR, WERE NOT WORKING.

SO IT'S TIME TO PUSH THE RESET BUTTON.

THE MEMO SPEAKS TO SEVERAL NEXT STEPS, AND THE PURPOSE OF THESE SLIDES IS TO HELP EXPLAIN WHAT WE MEAN.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO FIRST, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL, INCLUDING MANY IN THIS ROOM, THAT RECOMMENDED WE BUILD THE PLAN TO 2035.

AT THIS POINT, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ADOPTED PLAN MUCH CLOSER TO 2025 THAN WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT, IT SEEMS AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO IMPLEMENT THE FULL SET OF RESOURCES NEEDED TO CREATE A 2035 PLAN.

AND WE AGREE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH THE OVERARCHING OBJECTIVE OF CARBON FREE BY 2035.

IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT FULL 10 YEAR HORIZON, WE KNOW WE NEED TO ENGAGE IN A MORE ROBUST AND COLLABORATIVE PROCESS TO ENSURE CONVERSATION ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY AND THOSE THAT ARE ROOTED IN SHARED VALUES.

SO WITH

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IN ALL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS LEADING UP TO THIS PAUSE, WE CONTINUE TO HEAR A SHARED DESIRE TO COME TOGETHER.

AND WE BELIEVE A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS WILL HELP US ACHIEVE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF THE RISKS AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE.

THEN TOGETHER WE CAN IDENTIFY APPROPRIATE SOLUTIONS, TEST THEM AGAINST THE VALUES, AND SEE HOW WELL THEY MITIGATE THE RISKS.

THIS APPROACH IS ESPECIALLY NEEDED IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A FULL 2035 PLAN INSTEAD OF JUST A 2030 UPDATE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO IN ADDITION TO USING THIS TIME FOR FURTHER STAKEHOLDER COLLABORATION, WE HAVE OTHER WORK AHEAD OF US.

YOU JUST HEARD BOB TALK ABOUT HOW WE CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS WITH LCRA TO REACH AN EXIT OF AUSTIN ENERGY'S PORTION OF THE FAYETTE POWER PROJECT IN A WAY THAT ELIMINATES THE OPERATION OF AUSTIN ENERGY'S FULL OWNERSHIP SHARE.

THAT'S A KEY PRIORITY FOR ALL OF US.

WE'LL ALSO ENGAGE THIRD PARTY EXPERTISE TO EXPLORE THE MARKET POTENTIAL OF CUSTOMER DEMAND SIDE PROGRAMS. YOU HEARD RICHARD AND SARAH TALK ABOUT THIS EARLIER.

THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE IS TO SPEND OUR TIME AND FINANCIAL RESOURCES AS WISELY AS POSSIBLE, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE LOW HANGING FRUIT BENEFITS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REALIZED.

AND NOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE NEED TO FOCUS ON BOTH WINTER AND SUMMER REDUCTION MEASURES, WHICH OFTEN HAVE DIFFERENT COST BENEFIT RATIOS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

FINALLY, WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF RFP WORK IN FRONT OF US.

EVERY YEAR, AUSTIN ENERGY RELEASES AT LEAST ONE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO KEEP INFORMED OF THE ECONOMICS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SHAPE OUR GENERATION PORTFOLIO.

AND THIS YEAR WILL BE NO DIFFERENT.

SO IN THE COMING MONTHS, AUSTIN ENERGY WILL RELEASE AN RFP FOR CARBON FREE GENERATION TECHNOLOGIES.

WE PLAN TO INCLUDE NOT ONLY WIND AND SOLAR, WHICH IS TYPICAL, BUT ALSO GEOTHERMAL AND HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS, CARBON FREE TECHNOLOGIES TO GATHER DATA FOR COMPARISON ACROSS THOSE TECHNOLOGIES AND TO KEEP A PULSE ON WHEN THESE BECOME COMPETITIVE.

WE RECENTLY CONDUCTED A BATTERY STORAGE RFP AS, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE 2016.

WE PLAN TO REVISIT THE ONE THAT WAS MOST RECENTLY CLOSED OR PERHAPS ISSUE A NEW BATTERY STORAGE RFP FOR TECHNOLOGY COMPARISON AS WELL.

AND THEN FINALLY, TO ROUND OUT THE DATA, WE'LL ISSUE AN RFP FOR FLEXIBLE FUEL GENERATION.

WE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COST INPUT ASSUMPTIONS WE USED IN MODELING.

AND THIS SUITE OF RFPS WILL NOT ONLY GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL DATA SET TO REFINE OUR PLANNING EFFORTS, BUT IT WILL ALSO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK APPROVAL OF VIABLE RENEWABLE PROJECTS IN THE NEARER TERM.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I TWO QUICK QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, UH, ON THE STORAGE AND FLEX FUEL, THIS IS JUST A COMMENT.

I, I HOPE WHEN YOU ISSUE THAT YOU WILL LOOK AT DIFFERENT DURATION TECHNOLOGY, I ASSUME YOU WOULD, BUT JUST, JUST TO COMMENT FROM SOME OF THE STUFF WE DID IN THE WORKING GROUP NOTED.

UM, AND THEN ON FLEX FUEL, UM, YOU, YOU PROBABLY HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE WORKING GROUP ABOUT, UH, THE POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD INCREASE, UM, OTHER KINDS OF POLLUTANTS.

SO I HOPE AS PART OF THAT RFP, YOU'D ALSO BE LOOKING AT, UM, ANY, UM, THE, THE, NOT JUST THE THE CARBON FREE NATURE, BUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER POLLUTANTS THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED, I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT AS PART OF THAT RFP.

SO NOX IN PARTICULAR? NOX? NO.

SO, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MICROPHONE, UM, MOST OF THE HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW ARE USING, UM, NATURAL GAS.

UM, BUT THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE CAPTURING THE CARBON, DID YOU SAY, AS A FEEDSTOCK? THEY'RE CAPTURING AS A FEEDSTOCK.

SORRY, I SAID THAT WRONG.

YEP.

CHALLENGES AND PUTTING OUR COMMUNITY AT RISK RISKS, WHICH WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MITIGATING.

CAPTURING THE CARBON AND SEQUESTERING IT.

IT'S JUST AN RFP, SO I'M NOT GONNA, WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT IT LATER.

ALRIGHT, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO AS I WRAP UP, I WANNA SHARE A FEW SLIDES HIGHLIGHTING OUR ONGOING COMMITMENT TO THE VALUES OF ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, RELIABILITY, AND AFFORDABILITY.

AND I ALSO WANNA EXPRESS HOW EACH AREA IS EXPERIENCING INCREASING

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SO THESE GRAPHS TELL A PRETTY GOOD STORY.

AUSTIN'S GENERATED ELECTRICITY IN 2023 WAS 74% CARBON FREE, THAT'S HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE ERCOT AND THE UNITED STATES AS A WHOLE.

WE ARE CLEARLY A LEADER ON THE PATH TO CARBON FREE, BUT THE CHALLENGE IS REAL AND THE IT'S AS IS TRUE WITH SO MANY ENDEAVORS.

THE LAST BIT IS THE HARDEST TO COME BY.

IN AUSTIN'S CASE, REMOVING THE LAST PIECES OF GRAY WILL REQUIRE A HECK OF A LOT, UH, IN TERMS OF EFFORT, RESOURCES, AND INVESTMENT.

AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO GETTING THERE.

WE BELIEVE A RESET OF THE PROCESS, ONE IN WHICH ALL PARTIES STEP BACK FROM THE PRECONCEIVED SOLUTIONS AND MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

THIS STARTS WITH THE DISCUSSION ON VALUES AS WELL AS CONCERNS, RISKS, AND TOLERANCES.

AND ONCE WE ACHIEVE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING, ONLY THEN CAN WE START TO APPLY SOLUTIONS TO SEE WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T.

BUT WE BELIEVE A FACILITATED PROCESS WILL GET US THERE.

NEXT SLIDE.

WHEN IT COMES TO RELIABILITY, PEOPLE OFTEN THINK ABOUT THE FREQUENCY AND DURATION OF POWER OUTAGES.

AS YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, WE PERFORM CONSIDERABLY BETTER THAN THE TEXAS ELECTRIC UTILITY AVERAGE IN BOTH CATEGORIES, BUT WE KNOW THAT EVEN THOSE TRENDS ARE ON THE RISE.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT RELIABILITY IS MORE THAN JUST HOW THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PERFORMED FROM A GENERATION PERSPECTIVE.

WE DEFINE RELIABILITY AS POWER GENERATED FROM RESILIENCE.

SOURCES THAT CAN OPERATE IN A VARIETY OF CONDITIONS WE'RE CHALLENGED BY THE TOLL THAT CONSERVATION ALERTS AND EEAS PUT ON THE COMMUNITY.

WE KNOW THAT OUR CUSTOMERS EXPERIENCE DEMAND RESPONSE FATIGUE AND FEAR THE IMPACTS OF EXTREME WEATHER.

WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT LOCAL ISSUES LIKE LOCAL LOW VOLTAGE, WHICH HAS THE POTENTIAL OF CAUSING LOCAL BLACKOUTS IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION.

AND IN THE MOST EXTREME CASE, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOW PROBABILITY, BUT EXTREMELY HIGH IMPACT OF A BLACK START EMERGENCY, A SITUATION WHERE ALL OF ERCOT WOULD BE IN THE DARK.

AND IF THAT HAPPENED AND WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR LOCAL BLACK START GENERATION, WE WOULDN'T BE AN ACTIVE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

INSTEAD, WE'D BE WAITING FOR OTHERS TO BRING THE POWER TO US AND OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BE ON THE TAIL END OF RESTORATION.

WHEN WE SURVEYED THEM, OUR COMMUNITY RANKED RELIABILITY AS THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AND WE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

FINALLY, WE HAVE AFFORDABILITY.

THUS FAR, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REMAIN WITHIN THE COUNCIL DEFINED THRESHOLDS OF AFFORDABILITY.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT OUR AVERAGE MONTHLY BILLS ARE ON THE LOWER END ACROSS THE STATE, BUT WITH THE RISING COST OF EVERYTHING IN AUSTIN, WE WANT THE ELECTRIC BILL TO BE THE LEAST OF EVERYONE'S WORRY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT ISN'T ALWAYS THE CASE.

THIS GRAPH ILLUSTRATES THE RISING POWER SUPPLY ADJUSTMENT RATE, WHICH WE KEPT STABLE AT OR BELOW 3 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOURS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

LEADING UP TO 2022.

IN NOVEMBER OF 22, WE RAISED THE PSA TO 4.30 CENTS TO ADDRESS AND UNDER COLLECTION DRIVEN HEAVILY BY RISING MARKET COSTS.

SINCE THEN, AS YOU SEE ON THE GRAPH, WE'VE HAD TO RAISE THE PSA FOR ADDITIONAL TIMES, ALL DUE TO CHALLENGING MARKET CONDITIONS, PUTTING CONSTANT PRESSURE ON OUR POWER SUPPLY COST.

ONE OF THE MOST ACUTE PRESSURES IS LOAD ZONE PRICE SEPARATION, A FACTOR.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE UNTIL WE ACT UPON IT.

WE KNOW THE CONCERN OUR COMMUNITY HAS ABOUT THESE RISING PSA RATES, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE IMPACTS ON CUSTOMER AFFORDABILITY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE RESOURCE PLANNING PROCESS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

FOR AUSTIN TO CONTINUE THE PATH, BEING A LEADER IN ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, RELIABILITY, AND AFFORDABILITY, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER EVERY DECISION WITH GREAT CARE.

WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS THREE-LEGGED STOOL BALANCED.

THE COMMUNITY HAS A REAL, A LOT RIDING ON IT.

SO A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO STATE OUR APPRECIATION TO SOME OF YOU ON THE COMMISSION.

UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY THANK YOU ENOUGH.

SO TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND TO EVERYONE WHO WAS ON THE STAKEHOLDER WORKING GROUP, WE WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, THE EFFORT AND THE BRAIN ENERGY THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS PROCESS THUS FAR.

WE WANNA THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH IT.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE WANNA THANK YOU FOR BEING COMMITTED TO THE RESET AND FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO COLLABORATION.

I THINK IT'S GONNA REALLY TAKE ALL OF US TO GET THIS RIGHT.

SO THAT'S THE END OF MY SLIDES TODAY.

THOSE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS AS AS SOME GUIDANCE TO THE PROCESS.

UM, SO I, I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR THAT YOU, WE, WE HAVE TO, BEFORE WE COME UP WITH THE SOLUTIONS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROBLEMS AND THE, THE RISKS, ET CETERA.

UM, BUT THE WORKING GROUP DID HAVE A LOT OF SOLUTIONS, SO, UM, I GET YOUR POINT, BUT I HOPE WE WON'T, AS I THINK I'VE SAID BEFORE, THAT WE WON'T LOSE

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SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

UM, AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, AS I STOOD UP HERE LAST, UH, MONTH AND TOLD YOU THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WHERE WE AGREE, AND I THINK ALL OF THE, UH, IDEAS AND THOUGHTS THAT THE WORKING GROUP PUT INTO, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WILL COME FORTH IN THE, UH, PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE CAN FIND OUT HOW THEY, UM, WORK ARE ROOTED IN OUR SHARED VALUES AND HOW THEY WORK TO MITIGATE RISKS.

LET ME, LET ME ASK, UH, THE, THE WORK GROUP WAS A LITTLE BIT HANDICAPPED BY NOT HAVING CURRENT, UH, UH, NUMBERS.

IN TERMS OF COST, IN TERMS OF COST, UH, FOR IMPLEMENTING CERTAIN MEASURES.

UH, WILL THE, UH, REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION OR RFPS THAT ARE, UH, THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WILL THAT INFORMATION BE AVAILABLE SO IT CAN BE CRANKED IN AND, AND IF SO, IS THAT AN ONGOING PROCESS OR, OR KIND OF WHAT IS THE, UH, PROCESS FOR GETTING SOME UPDATED NUMBERS? WHAT, UH, STORAGE, TODAY'S STORAGE COSTS ARE AND, AND OUR GEOTHERMAL, WHATEVER.

I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

YOU'RE ASKING IF THE DATA THAT WE WILL RECEIVE FROM THE RFPS, IF THAT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? EXACTLY.

SO, RIGHT, SO GO AHEAD BE BECAUSE THAT HELPS GUIDE, THAT HELPS GUIDE.

AS WE LOOK AT AFFORDABILITY, RELIABILITY, UH, WE DON'T WANNA RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PRACTICAL OR NOT AFFORDABLE.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO THE PROCESS OF AN RFP, UM, INCLUDES COORDINATIONS WITH ALL THESE COUNTERPARTIES, AND THEY'LL ONLY PROVIDE INFORMATION IF THEY KNOW THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, KEPT PRIVATE IN CERTAIN WAYS.

SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE RESPONSES, UM, BUT IN GENERALIZED RANGES AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE RIGHT TARGET.

UM, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION CAN BE, UH, AGGREGATED AND SHARED, AND I THINK THAT WE'LL BE PART OF A FACILITATED PROCESS, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WHAT ARE OUR SHARED VALUES? HOW DO WE, WE'VE USED THE, THE WORDS SO OFTEN, BUT WHAT DO WE MEAN BY RELIABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATED THAT, THAT Y'ALL REACHED OUT TO US, UH, WHENEVER, A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.

AND, AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR THIS PRESENTATION NOW, UM, I THINK THERE'S, THERE IS A LOT THAT WE HAVE IN COMMON AND I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE WAY WORKING TOGETHER.

UM, I THINK WE TOUCHED ON THE, THE TIMING.

HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MOVE THINGS ALONG WHILE ALSO I, I THINK THIS GETTING THE DATA FROM THE RFPS IS A, IS A GREAT IDEA.

UM, I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

I REMEMBER THAT WE DID RECEIVE SOME OF THAT DATA, THAT SORT OF DATA I THINK LIKE BACK IN LIKE 2015 OR WHENEVER THAT WAS WHEN Y'ALL WERE LOOKING AT UTILITY SCALE SOLAR AND, OR MAYBE IT WAS 2012.

AND THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

SO I, I DO SEE BENEFIT THERE.

UM, I GUESS I, I KEEP SEEING AND HEARING THE CARBON FREE BY 2035 IS KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE GOAL.

AND UH, I GUESS I THINK THERE IS, AT LEAST FOR ME, AND I THINK A FEW OF US, MAYBE A LITTLE TENSION 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT HEARING THE OTHER PIECES OF ENVIRONMENTAL KIND OF COMMITMENT THERE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF WHAT Y'ALL ARE THINKING ABOUT, BUT JUST SHARING THAT, LIKE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE HOLISTICALLY AT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF, OF ENERGY PRODUCTION BEYOND JUST STACK EMISSIONS.

UM, AND SO BY THAT I'M REP, I'M REFERENCING WHAT, WHAT CYRUS BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF OTHER LOCAL AIR POLLUTION, UM, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, POLLUTION, AIR OR WATER THAT MAYBE ISN'T LOCAL TO US HERE, BUT IS LOCAL TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND BY THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, REFERRING TO NATURAL GAS PRODUCTION, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS A LOT OF POLLUTION EVEN IF WE DON'T INCUR AT ALL HERE.

SO I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A GREAT, YOU KNOW, PIVOT FOR US ALL TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

THAT'S JUST MY, YOU KNOW, KINDA ONE THOUGHT IS LIKE, HOPEFULLY WE AREN'T JUST LOOKING AT LIKE ZERO GREENHOUSE GAS STACK EMISSIONS BY 2030 AS OUR ONLY LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL METRIC.

I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY TAKING A STEP BACK WILL HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER.

YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY CARBON FREE BY 2035? AND WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY LOOKING FOR FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE? AND

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AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S JUST A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON THE RFPS.

WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE TIMELINE IS FOR ISSUING THEM AND GETTING RESPONSES BACK? SO I'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH, UM, THE TEAM TO GET, UH, A BIT MORE DETAIL ON IT.

BUT I KNOW THAT THE CARBON FREE GENERATION, UM, THE ONE THAT WAS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, UM, THAT, THAT IS, IS THE MOST IMMINENT ONE.

UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE TEAM WILL DECIDE HOW TO DO THE BATTERY STORAGE FLEX FUEL GENERATION AS WELL.

SO WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AND LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT.

THANKS.

AND THEY'RE USUALLY OUT FOR LIKE A MONTH OR SO.

IS IT, IS IT TEAM, IS IT EIGHT TO 12 WEEKS THAT THE PROCESS IS? YEAH, SIX SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS.

SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS.

SO I THINK MY, THE 12 WEEK ON MY SIDE WAS PART OF THE EVALUATION AND WHATNOT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION?

[13. Approve a resolution making recommendations on the Austin Energy Resource, Generation and Climate Protection Plan to 2035. (Sponsors: Chair Tuttle, Vice Chair White)]

THEN WE GO BACK TO 13, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE AE GENERATION RESOURCE PLAN FROM THE WORKING GROUP.

, DO YOU WANNA TAKE US THROUGH THIS? YEAH.

UM, SO I DUNNO, I MEAN, DOES EVERYBODY, SORRY, DO WE NEED TO READ THROUGH THE, THE EZ STATEMENTS OR HAVE FOLKS REVIEWED IT TO THAT EXTENT AND WE CAN MAYBE FOCUS ON THE BE IT RESOLVED SECTIONS OR WOULD ANYBODY APPRECIATE JUST STARTING AT THE BEGINNING AND GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE STATEMENTS.

LET'S GO TO THE BE IT RESOLVED.

COOL.

WHAT WE ALL HAVE THIS.

ALRIGHT, SO THE, THE FIRST, UH, SECTION IS INTENDED TO ESSENTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT AUSTIN ENERGY HAS, HAS PRESENTED TO US JUST NOW ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WE STEPPING BACK IN THE PROCESS.

SO THIS IS NOT A RESOLUTION THAT IS RECOMMENDING ADOPTION OF THE RESOURCE PLANNING WORKING GROUP, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF STILL HAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE.

MAYBE THE BEING A, I AM ASSUMING IT'S THE BEING A GUIDING DOCUMENT.

UM, SO I'LL LET THEM SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THAT.

BUT THE INTENTION IS KIND OF LIKE CYRUS SAID, THAT WE NOT LEAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BEHIND THAT THEY BE AS, AS I SAY HERE, A GUIDING DOCUMENT.

UM, BUT THAT THEY, UC, ALL OF US AND THE RESOURCE PLANNING WORKING GROUP MEMBERS THAT STILL HAVE MORE TIME TO GIVE, I THINK NOT EVERYBODY DOES.

UM, WE'LL WORK COLLABORATIVELY TO MAKE REFINEMENTS TO THAT, YOU KNOW, VISION THAT IS PUT FORWARD IN THAT PLAN.

SO SPECIFICALLY THE, THE CARBON FREE AND EMISSIONS FREE GOALS THAT ARE, THAT ARE STATED IN THERE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY HOW THEY WILL BE MET.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO WORK ON COLLABORATIVELY.

AND THEN, UM, THE SECOND BE IT RESOLVED, JUST ADDRESSES THE TIMELINE.

UM, HERE WOULD BE THE UC WOULD SEE THIS BACK BY SEPTEMBER.

UM, THE THINKING THERE IS THAT IF WE SEE IT IN SEPTEMBER, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE VOTE ON IT IN SEPTEMBER.

IT'S POSSIBLE WE DON'T GET, DON'T VOTE ON IT UNTIL OCTOBER.

AND THEN THAT GIVES COUNCIL BASICALLY TWO MONTHS TO WORK IT THROUGH THEIR, UM, COMMITTEE AND THEN THE FULL COUNCIL BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND THEN JUST A STATEMENT THAT WE AS A COMMISSION INTEND TO STAY ENGAGED IN THIS PLAN AND MAY MAKE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

I HOPE, HOPE THAT WE WILL MAKE, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THE END ON AN ACTUAL PLAN.

AND THEN, UH, I THINK THIS LAST ONE REALLY ALIGNS WITH WHAT AUSTIN ENERGY JUST PRESENTED ABOUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH RFPS AND OTHER PROGRAMMATIC, UH, EXPANSIONS AND, AND CHANGES THAT THAT, THAT ALIGN WITH WHAT HAS ALREADY KIND OF BEEN ESTABLISHED AS A VISION.

SO YEAH, THAT'S THE, THE ACTION PART OF THE RESOLUTION.

THANK YOU FOR THE HARD COPY.

YOU, YOU HAD A, UH, A RED LINE,

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UH, SMALL AMENDMENT.

THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE.

OH, I SEE.

YEAH, SO WE'RE WORKING OFF OF WHAT YOU, YOU SENT OUT.

TODAY THE VERSION THAT GOT POSTED AND THAT WAS MY BAG FOR TRYING TO DO THE THINGS ON MY PHONE THAT I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DOING ON MY PHONE.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD BEEN REMOVED AND WHAT WAS BEING ADDED.

'CAUSE MY PHONE JUST DIDN'T SHOW ME.

AND IT JUST HAD US CONS.

IT WAS USING THE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATION, CONSIDER THE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN TOMY DIDN'T QUITE, I DON'T KNOW, CONSIDER ALWAYS MAKES ME THINK.

AND SO THERE WAS AN EMAIL EXCHANGE BETWEEN YOU AND AUSTIN ENERGY ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.

SO RECEIVE SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATION.

AND SO I HAVEN'T GOTTEN SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON WHAT OF THESE WORDS WE MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE TO GET THEIR SUPPORT OR IF THEY STILL FEEL THAT WAY.

SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT AND IF YOU COULD FEEDBACK, WELCOME AND IF YOU COULD, I, I'D ALSO LIKE AUSTIN ENERGY TO ADDRESS THE, THE TIMELINE OF SEPTEMBER.

UM, AND, AND IF AUSTIN ENERGY HAS A DIFFERENT DATE THAN SEPTEMBER, I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT.

YEAH, I, MM-HMM, , I, I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO, OR, OR MOVE I SUPPORT THIS, BUT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST ON OCTOBER 3RD IF, IF, IF THAT, IF THAT'S .

SO, UM, LET ME BACK UP TO THE FIRST BE RESOLVED.

I THOUGHT WE'D WORKED OUT LANGUAGE LAST WEEK.

WE CAN'T AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ON EQUAL FOOTING AND STARTING THE SAME SPACE.

AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, THAT'LL BE THE GUIDING DOCUMENT OR WHATEVER, THAT DOESN'T PUT US ON EQUAL FOOTING.

CAN YOU, AS FAR AS GOING FORWARD, SUGGEST COULD YOU SUGGEST SOME WORDS THAT WOULD WORK? I, I THINK CONSIDER WAS A LITTLE TOO WEAK.

CAN YOU SUGGEST SOMETHING BETWEEN GUIDING DOCUMENT AND CONSIDER THAT YOU COULD NO, I HAVE A, I HAVE A PROPOSAL.

YEAH, GO ON.

YEAH, MY, UH, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I MEAN I DO THINK GUIDING IS, IS VERY, UH, GUIDING, I SHOULD SAY, UH, IN TERMS OF, UM, SORT OF GUIDING THE PROCESS, LET'S SAY.

OR IT CAN BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY.

AND SINCE I THINK WE HAVEN'T AS AN EEC ADOPTED THE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATION, I DO KIND OF SEE IT OR HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IT BEING GUIDING WHEN WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY ADOPTED THOSE AS AN EUC RECOMMENDATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN BETWEEN, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN ON MY, ON MY NOTES.

HOW DO Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT THE WORDS USED AS A SOURCE DOCUMENT? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS WAS TO GET US OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT GOING FORWARD.

AND WE'RE NOW DOWN TO ARGUING OVER DETAILS IN A RESOLUTION THAT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.

UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD, UH, IN A SUCCESSFUL WAY, THEN WE OUGHT TO HONOR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THE THING AND DO IT, IT, IT'S FINE.

WE, I MEAN IT'S OUR, WHAT, WHAT WE DID EXISTS.

IT'S OUT THERE.

IT'LL BE LOOKED AT.

IT'S NOT CONTROLLING OF ANYTHING.

SO WHY ARE WE FIGHTING OVER THE, OVER THE, THIS, THIS IS JUST TRYING TO GIVE US A LEG UP OVER THEM ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK IT GETS US OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT.

I HEAR YOU.

THAT WAS CERTAINLY NOT MY INTENTION TO GIVE ANY LEG UP.

SIMPLY MY INTENTION WAS THAT THE WORK NOT BE LEFT BEHIND.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT A HILL I'M GONNA DIE ON.

I YEAH, I'M FINE WITH WHAT RAUL SUGGESTED.

UH, WELL LET ME REINFORCE WHAT NICK SAYS.

I MEAN, IT'S, THE WORK'S NOT GONNA BE LOST BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO GENERATED ARE GOING TO BE IN THE EFFORT THAT'S GONNA BE CONTINUED.

UPON, EVEN WITH A CELL PHONE ISSUE WITH READING IT, UM, A WEEK OR SO AGO.

I'M MORE EXCITED ABOUT YOU GETTING THE FACILITATOR ON BOARD.

WE STARTED TO SEE MORE MEETINGS.

WE GET TOGETHER AND WE START IN THAT FRAMEWORK TO TAKE A PAUSE, WORK AT THE, THE VALUES LEVEL FIRST AND THEN PROGRESS FROM THERE.

SO I, I'M LIKE KIND OF ANXIOUS TO SPEND TIME ON THAT VERSUS THIS TEXT.

SO WHAT I'D RECOMMEND IS THAT WE JUST STICK WITH WHAT WAS AGREED

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WHAT ABOUT THE, I MEAN THAT ALSO DELETED THE INCLUSION OF THE EUC AND THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS, WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE WHEN I WAS FIRST LOOKING AT IT.

WHY DON'T YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SO THE VERSION THAT ENDED UP GETTING POSTED ALSO DOES NOT HAVE THE TEXT ABOUT WORKING WITH THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION AND THE RESOURCE PLANNING WORKING GROUP MEMBERS OF THE RESOURCE PLANNING WORKING GROUP.

WOW.

SO I'M FINE WITH LIKE WHATEVER SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATION WORKS FOR ME.

UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE US, I MEAN, WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING AND TALKING ABOUT IS, IS A PROCESS THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN.

WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE SECOND TO THE LAST RESOLVED.

THE EUC INTENDS TO STAY ENGAGED.

IN THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST ONE.

THE FIRST WHAT ON THE PHONE, THE FIRST FEAR RESOLVED.

BOB, ARE YOU OKAY WITH RAUL'S LANGUAGE ON THE FIRST PART OF THAT? UH, SO THIS, THIS IS OUR VERSION NOW.

SO BOB, IF THEY PUT SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF WORK CONSIDERED IN THE FIRST MEETING AS WELL.

BUT THEN I'M JUST ASKING, CAN WE ALSO ADD BACK THE WORKING WITH THAT YOU SEE IN THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS? WAS THERE, WAS THAT LIKE INTENTIONAL DELETION OR JUST KIND OF IN THE COURSE OF CHANGING THE SENTENCE? YEAH.

ARE YOU DIZZY YET? I MEAN, THE THING WITH THE WORKING GROUP IS WE SORT OF CREATED THE WORKING GROUP TO COME UP WITH THE, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SAY WORKING GROUP.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WORKING GROUP EVEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD EVEN AGREE TO.

I, I SPECIFICALLY KNOW THAT ONLY SOME OF THEM HAVE CAPACITY AND INTEREST IN DOING THAT.

'CAUSE I EMAILED EVERYBODY AND ASKED.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING PUT NO, THAT'S WHY IT SAYS WORKING GROUP MEMBERS, ALL MEMBERS.

FOR MEMBERS OF, SO IN, IN LOOKING AT THIS, I MEAN I THINK THE EEC HAS MENTIONED ABOUT FIVE TIMES IN HERE.

I MEAN, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA WORK WITH YOU IF YOU WANNA PUT INTO THAT, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU.

THAT'S FINE.

I'M KIND OF STUCK ON THE FACT THAT WE WORKED WITH Y'ALL LAST WEEK AND CAME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT SEEMED TO WORK FOR EVERYBODY AT THE TIME.

UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS AT THAT MEETING.

AND LOOK, I TAKE OWNERSHIP.

I SHOULD NOT HAVE SIGNED OFF ON SOMETHING ON MY PHONE.

WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

SO IF WE CAN AGREE ON YOU'RE FINE WITH THIS SIGNIFICANTLY CONSIDERED AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE WORKING WITH UC AND MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP.

WHAT IS THE WORKING GROUP RIGHT NOW? IS THERE A WORKING GROUP? NO, IT'S A PAST WORKING GROUP.

THE PEOPLE STILL EXIST.

I'D JUST LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE RESOURCES TO THIS PROCESS.

THAT'S ALL.

WELL, THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THEY SAID THAT, RIGHT? YEP.

SO EVA, TRUST US.

YEAH, THE WORKING GROUP IS STILL, THAT'S HARD.

A LIVE ENTITY.

THE THE MEMBER, THE WORKING GROUP IS WE, WE REAFFIRM THE WORKING GROUP STILL THERE.

SO, AND I, I DON'T SEE A PRO, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM.

UH, THE COMMUNITY INCLUDES THE WORKING GROUP.

SO I THINK THAT MEANS WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CONSIDERED THESE, THE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS WHILE WORKING.

LET ME BRING IT BACK UP.

ISN'T THAT THE NEW VERSION OR THE OLD? AND MY QUESTION AGAIN WAS, IS SEPTEMBER REALISTIC? WOULD, WOULD OCTOBER BE A BETTER DAY? I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE WON'T THAT WE WON'T GET THERE BY SEPTEMBER.

YEAH, IT, IT, I MEAN I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET IT THROUGH COUNCIL IF WE DON'T GET IT BY THEN.

LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA LIKE LOOK AT HOW LONG THINGS TAKE.

AND THEY USUALLY HAVE ONE OR MAYBE TWO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER, WHICH ARE JAM PACKED WITH THINGS.

THEY DON'T WANNA BE TAKING THOSE UP IN DECEMBER, I PROMISE.

LIKE, SO I GUESS THERE'S NO HARM IF, IF WE DON'T MAKE THE DEADLINE KNOWING DON'T, NO ONE IS, NO ONE DIES.

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AND, AND DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BOB AND LISA AND YOU KNOW, GET THE FACILITATOR, GET GOING ON THE, THE REAL DISCUSSIONS AND LEARN FROM EACH OTHER.

AND ENGAGE.

YEAH, I MEAN, I, I'LL JUST SAY THIS.

I THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH THE LANGUAGE WE AGREED TO LAST WEEK.

THERE'S OTHER LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT WE DON'T AGREE WITH, BUT WE FIGURE THIS WILL GET RESOLVED GOING FORWARD WHEN WE MEET AND DISCUSS OUR VALUES AND RISKS.

SO WE DIDN'T GET INTO ALL THE OTHER LANGUAGE THAT WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH, BUT THIS WAS KIND OF IMPORTANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY START ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

AND I THINK THE LANGUAGE WE AGREED TO LAST WEEK DID THAT.

AND DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT THE DATE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AS FAST AS WE CAN DO.

I MEAN YOU COULD PUT A DATE DOWN THERE.

I TIME WILL TELL WHAT, WHEN, WHEN IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT.

THIS ISN'T A BINDING DOCUMENT.

I MOVE APPROVAL OF IT.

THE RESOLUTION IS POSTED.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OR DO YOU HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? SILENCE.

WHEN SHE SAYS POSTED, SHE MEANS, AYE.

THERE WAS ONLY ONE VERSION POSTED AND IT WAS A VERSION THEY LIKED.

OR AGREED TO.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AND A REQUEST WHEN THIS IS UH, FINALIZED, COULD UH, PLEASE SEND THIS A COPY ROBIN AGAIN, IT'S THE ONE THAT'S POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.

'CAUSE WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY EDITS, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO IF I COULD JUST SURE.

UM, JUST SPEAK TO WHAT I, WHAT I CONSIDERED, UM, TO BE, UH, RECEIVING A SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? IS THAT WHENEVER THERE IS A PLAN PROPOSED BY AUSTIN ENERGY THAT MAYBE DOESN'T INCORPORATE CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THAT WORK GROUP PLAN, THAT THERE'S AN EXPLANATION OF BY AE DID, RECOMMENDED WHAT IT DID AND VERSUS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT ISN'T JUST, OH YEAH, WE LOOKED AT IT, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME SUBSTANTIVE RESPONSE TO WHY WE COULDN'T DO THIS RECOMMENDATION THE WAY IT WAS IN THE PROPOSAL OR THAT RECOMMENDATION AND NOT JUST SAY, YEAH, WE FACTORED ALL THESE THINGS INTO OUR THINKING AND PLANNING AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.

SO, SO FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT THE MEANINGFUL CONSIDERATION IS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHY, WHY THIS VERSUS THIS OTHER THING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE WORK GROUP.

AGAIN, UM, JUST TO RESPECT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE RIGHT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE MONTHS, UH, THAT THE WORK GROUP DID, DID ITS WORKS.

SO, SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

WE ARE NOT GONNA DISMISS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE WORKING GROUP.

WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT 'EM.

IF, IF WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL TALK ABOUT 'EM AND SHAME ON US.

IF WE CAN'T EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY SOMETHING LIKE WE FEEL LIKE MAY NOT WORK, IT'S REALLY UP TO US.

IF, IF WE CAN'T EXPLAIN OURSELVES, THEN MY THOUGHT IS IT WOULD PROBABLY JUST GO THROUGH IF WE CAN'T CONVINCE YOU OR THE CITY COUNCIL OTHERWISE.

I THINK WE'RE THROUGH WITH THAT DISCUSSION.

RIGHT? SO THE REMAINING ITEM IS 15 AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MUCH TO DISCUSS THERE, DO WE ROBIN? NO.

SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY OH, WE OWE FUTURE

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

ITEMS. YEAH.

AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE INCLUDED IN THERE AS A FUTURE ITEM, THE CAP PROGRAM AND FOR THE, ALL OF WHICH IS, IT'S BEEN AS WELL AS A WEATHERIZATION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

SO TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED, THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD GET A REPORT ON THOSE PRO ON THOSE PROGRAMS. AND DID YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SIDE CONVERSATIONS ON THE STREET LIGHTING? HAS THAT HAPPENED OR DID WE WANNA BRING THAT IN JUST TO GET EVERYBODY EDUCATED? COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ HAD MENTIONED THAT A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO.

UM, I, UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD, WE'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION, UH, TOGETHER.

YEAH, WE WERE GONNA SET UP A SEPARATE MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ AND ELTON RICHARDS WHO'S CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

ARAO, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO BRING UP?

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NOT AT THIS TIME.

YEAH, THOSE ARE I THINK GREAT, UH, GREAT, UM, REPORTS FOR US TO HEAR FROM, UH, FROM STAFF FOR SURE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WELL WITH THAT, WHAT ABOUT, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE STORAGE RESOLUTION FOR THERE, SHOULD WE OH YEAH.

THE, UM, THERE WAS A 2022 COUNCIL RESOLUTION ON THE TARIFF TO ENCOURAGE SOLAR STORAGE.

WELL, WAS ANY WAS BROUGHT WASTER? YEAH, SO LIKE, I MEAN THERE'S THE SOLAR STANDARD OFFERED EFFORT GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A SECONDARY EFFORT, UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE RATE CASE SOLUTION AND IT WAS TURNED INTO A COUNCIL RESOLUTION.

I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS 2022 AND I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

SO IF WE COULD HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE ITEMS, WE'LL DO THAT.