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[CALL TO ORDER]

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6:40 PM ON MONDAY, APRIL 1ST.

AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE REGULAR APRIL MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER, UM, UNDER PUBLIC

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

COMMUNICATIONS.

UH, AND THEN ALSO LATER ON THE AGENDA ITEM WE HAVE, UH, MR. AARON LACK.

UM, AARON, IF YOU COULD PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

HELLO.

UH, I'M AARON LACK.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE AUSTIN FEDERATION OF MUSICIANS, UH, WHICH IS THE LOCAL CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF MUSICIANS OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA.

UM, AND, UH, YEAH, I JUST HAD, UH, WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A, AN UPDATE ON, UH, UM, THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT MY UNION JUST HAD WITH THE, UH, A-M-P-T-P, WHICH, UH, STANDS FOR THE, UH, AMERICAN MOTION PICTURE AND TELEVISION PRODUCERS, I'M SORRY, THE ALLIANCE OF MOTION PICTURE AND TELEVISION PRODUCERS.

UM, AND THIS IS THE ORGANIZATION THAT, THAT THE ACTORS AND THE WRITERS WERE ON STRIKE AGAINST LAST SUMMER.

UM, SO, UH, AUSTIN PARTICIPATED IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS, UH, IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, AND GOT THE, THE VOICES OF AUSTIN MUSICIANS, UH, INTO THAT ROOM.

UM, AND IT WAS, UH, IT WAS OUR, OUR LOCAL PLUS, OBVIOUSLY THE LOS ANGELES LOCAL, UH, THE NEW YORK LOCAL AND THE NASHVILLE LOCAL, BUT ALSO, UH, CHICAGO, UH, WASHINGTON DC UM, ORANGE COUNTY, UH, SAN FRANCISCO, SEVERAL OTHER LOCALS, UM, THAT HAVE THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS GOING ON, UH, IN, IN THEIR JURISDICTION.

UM, WE MADE BREAKTHROUGHS IN RESIDUALS ON MADE FOR STREAMING VIDEO PRODUCTIONS AND TELEVISION FILM, UH, BECAUSE THAT TYPE OF WORK IS, IS HAPPENING HERE IN THE CENTRAL TEXAS AREA AS WELL.

UH, SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US.

UM, WE ALSO ESTABLISH CRITICAL GUARDRAILS AGAINST THE MISUSE OF AI, OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND THE PROCESSING THAT, UH, IS ALREADY HAPPENING, BUT THAT MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE THAT WE, WE KNOW, IS REALLY, WE'RE JUST ON THE CUSP OF, OF SOME REALLY KIND OF SCARY THINGS, UH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO WITH OUR MUSICAL PERFORMANCES.

UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS A BIG, A BIG DEAL AS WELL.

UM, AND WE GAINED MEANINGFUL WAGE AND BENEFIT INCREASES, UH, AND OTHER IMPORTANT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT THE REASON WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE WE, WE DID IT IN CONCERT WITH OTHER UNIONS.

SO WE, WE HAD THE ACTORS UNION REPRESENTATIVES, UH, WITH US FROM SAG AFTRA, UH, THE WRITERS REPRESENTATIVES FROM WGA, UM, THE, THE STAGE HANDS, UH, THE I-A-T-S-E, UM, AND EVEN THE, THE TEAMSTERS, THE, A LOT OF TIMES THE TRUCK DRIVERS ON THOSE PRODUCTIONS WERE, WERE WITH US.

AND, UH, THAT WAS GREAT TO HAVE THEM IN THERE.

UM, IF YOU THINK MUSICIANS CURSE A LOT, THE MAN, THE TEAMSTERS REALLY CURSE A LOT, BUT IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL IN THE NEGOTIATIONS.

SO, UM, AND WE ALSO HAD THE, THE LOS ANGELES FEDERATION LABOR, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY, THEY OCCURRED.

UM, THE, THE FULL DETAILS OF THE CONTRACT TERMS, UH, AREN'T, AREN'T, UH, PUBLIC YET.

UM, BUT THE BARGAINING UNIT IS VOTING ON THAT, AND THE, AND THE VOTING ENDS TODAY, ACTUALLY.

SO YOU CAN GET AN UPDATE ON THAT, UM, TODAY, AND PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE IS AT FAIR SHARE FOR MUSICIANS AT, UH, INSTAGRAM, UH, IS WHERE THAT CAMPAIGN'S BEEN, KIND OF SHARING THEIR UPDATES AND EVERYTHING.

SO, UM, YEAH, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR US HERE IN TEXAS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT TYPE OF WORK HAPPENING WITH SOUNDTRACK CREATION, BUT ALSO WITH WHAT WE CALL SIDELINING, WHICH IS WHERE A MUSICIAN PERFORMS TO A TRACK AND IS, IS FILMED.

AND THAT'S ALL MY TIME, BUT COME SEE US IF YOU'RE DOING TV AND FILM WORK.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR LA.

UH, MOVING ON TO STAFF BRIEFINGS.

WE HAVE STAFF PRESENTATION ON LAND USE BY DONALD JACKSON, BUSINESS PROCESS CONSULTANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

DID WE LOOK AT THE MINUTES? UM, YES.

I SOMETIMES SKIP OVER THAT.

MY APOLOGIES.

UH, WE

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UM, IF EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, UH, PLEASE.

UH, MOTION TO APPROVE FROM THE MARCH 4TH, 2024 MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

RIGHT.

UH, I HAVE, UM, SECOND, SECOND, UH, OKAY.

MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND.

I HAVE A SECOND FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER DAVILA.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT.

MOTION IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO STAFF

[2. Staff presentation on land use by Donald Jackson, Business Process Consultant, Economic Development Department.]

BRIEFINGS.

THANK YOU, SHELBY.

UM, STAFF PRESENTATION ON LAND USE BY DONALD JACKSON, BUSINESS PROCESS CONSULTANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES.

THANK YOU.

GREAT.

WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY, AND I'M GLAD TO, UH, PRESENT ON THESE ITEMS TONIGHT.

UH, THIS IS THE LIVE MUSIC VENUE AND CREATIVE SPACE REGULATORY INCENTIVES, PHASE

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TWO.

UH, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, THIS IS SPURRED BY THESE TWO PRIMARY RESOLUTIONS HERE FROM 2022, NUMBER 94 THERE, NUMBER 89.

UH, THESE INSTRUCTED US TO THESE INSTRUCTED STAFF, UH, IN DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL TO ESTABLISH CRITERIA TO BE LIVE MUSIC VENUES, TO DEVELOP CLEAR, UH, CREATIVE SPACE, LAND USE DEFINITIONS, UH, AND TO DEVELOP, UH, LIVE MUSIC AND CREATIVE SPACE, UH, BONUS AND INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, REGULATORY BONUS, AND INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, UH, AND TO DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK FOR ARTS DISTRICTS AND CREATIVE DISTRICTS.

THIS WAS ALSO REINFORCED BY RESOLUTION, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE, UH, THE PALM DISTRICT AND THE PALM DISTRICT, UH, ENABLING ORDINANCE THAT, UH, THAT INCLUDED ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE TO, TO REINFORCE THESE RESOLUTIONS AND TO, AND TO BRING, COME BACK WITH, UM, AMENDMENTS FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, UH, THIS SPRING INVOLVING INCENTIVES FOR CULTURAL SPACE PRESERVATION AND CREATION.

AND ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT A CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY, UH, UH, PROCESS.

AND ONE IN PARTICULAR FOR RED RIVER.

AND BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL JUST, I JUST WANNA GIVE KIND OF A QUICK, BROAD, BROAD VIEW OF THIS.

UH, THESE WERE VERY LARGE RESOLUTIONS THAT HAD A LOT OF DIRECTION IN THEM.

SO FIRST, WHAT WE DID WAS SPLIT THEM IN TWO.

UH, WE HANDLED KIND OF THE DEFINITIONS AND LAND USE DESCRIPTIONS PART FIRST THAT WE HANDLED LAST YEAR.

SO THOSE OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY PASSED.

AND THAT INVOLVED THE CREATION OF NEW DEFINITIONS FOR, UM, FOR DIFFERENT CREATIVE SPACES, REVISED DEFINITIONS FOR DIFFERENT CREATIVE SPACES, AND THE, AND THE CREATION OF A, OF A NEW LAND USE CATEGORY THAT CAN BE USED BY VENUES, UH, AND, UH, MORE EASILY AND COMMERCIAL SPACES AROUND THE CITY CALLED, UH, PERFORMANCE VENUES.

SO THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN ESTABLISHED.

THE OTHER.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE KIND OF, THAT'S ONE OF KIND OF THE FOUR THINGS.

UH, THE TWO MAJOR THINGS THAT, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON IN, IN THESE ITEMS ARE THE, THE REST OF THE KIND OF REGULATORY DIRECTION FROM THESE, FROM THESE RESOLUTIONS.

ONE OF THOSE, UH, AS I SAID, IS TO DEVELOP A PROCESS, UH, FOR, UH, REGULATORY INCENTIVES TIED TO CREATIVE DISTRICTS THAT CAN BE USED IN DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND THE CITY.

UH, AND THAT INCLUDES REGULATORY INCENTIVES.

WHEN, WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN DENSITY BONUSES, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT MORE IN A MINUTE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO GUIDANCE TO SPECIFICALLY, UH, DO A, DO A REGULATORY OVERLAY FOR THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT, UH, SPECIFICALLY.

AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, UH, A LITTLE BIT DISTINCTLY, UH, ON THE LATER SLIDE, BECAUSE IT IS A DIFFERENT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT, UM, SORT OF SITUATION THAN THE ZONING FRAMEWORK.

UH, AND FINALLY, UH, SOMETHING TO MENTION IS THE, THOSE RESOLUTIONS ALSO TALK, TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, THREE 80 INCENTIVES AND THINGS RELATED TO ECONOMIC INCENTIVES.

AND I JUST WANNA KIND OF CLARIFY THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE, WE'RE HANDLING THOSE THAT DIFFERENTLY IN A DIFFERENT FRAMEWORK.

UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, WILL CERTAINLY HOPE TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION ON TO GET YOUR, GET YOUR, UH, FEEDBACK ON AS WELL IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THAT'LL BE HAP HANDLED LATER THIS YEAR.

ECONOMIC INCENTIVES AND REGULATORY INCENTIVES OR INCENTIVES ARE KIND OF HANDLED UNDER DIFFERENT, UH, FRAMEWORKS AND TRACKS IN AUSTIN.

SO WE'RE DOING THE REGULATORY WITH THIS.

UH, AND I SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE QUESTIONS AND THINKING ABOUT THINGS THAT MAY, WE MIGHT WANNA TIE TO DIFFERENT INCENTIVES.

UH, WHEN, IF, IF I GET ANY QUESTIONS AROUND THAT, UH, I, I MIGHT NOTE THAT SOME OF THEM MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC INCENTIVES AND FINANCIAL INCENTIVES.

THEN IN TERMS OF REGULATORY INCENTIVES WITH REGULATORY INCENTIVES, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY, KIND OF CLEAR ABOUT CERTAIN LAND USE REQUIREMENTS.

UH, SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A, THAT'S JUST, JUST KIND OF A, A FORWARD SHOT, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE OVERVIEW AND WE'LL, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AS WE GO FORWARD.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

THIS INCLUDES SOME OF THE REGULATORY ELEMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE ORIGINAL, UH, RESOLUTIONS.

UH, THE BIG ONES WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT ARE EXPANDED FACILITATION OF AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND PRIORITIZATION OF MUSIC VENUES AND CREATIVE SPACES AS COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND OVERLAYS.

UH, ALSO TALKING ABOUT, UH, SIMILAR INCREASED FLORIDA AREA RATIO OR OTHER IMPORTANT APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RELATED TO DEDICATED SPACE, UH, AND, AND THESE, THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

UH, SO THERE'S SOME OTHER ITEMS HERE.

PARKING REQUIREMENTS USED TO BE A VERY BIG DEAL.

I, PARKING REQUIREMENTS HAVE ALL BEEN ELIMINATED IN THE CITY, SO NOT AS MUCH OF A FACTOR.

SO WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON THE AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE, BOTH IN TERMS OF PRESERVATION AND IN TERMS OF, UH, INCENTIVIZING NEW DEVELOPMENT.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE GOAL OF WHAT

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WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

UH, RIGHT NOW.

WE REALLY, AND, AND I'LL GET INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IN A MINUTE, UM, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO DO KIND OF A, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DO IS CREATE A PROCESS THAT CAN BE A LITTLE MORE, UH, BOTTOM UP OR HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD DO IN A SHORT TIMELINE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES A LONG TIME.

UH, AND, AND ALSO NEEDS A LOT OF BUY-IN FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE CREATIVE COMMUNITIES.

SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING NOW IS CREATING A, UH, WHAT, WHAT CAN BE REFERRED TO AS A PAPER DISTRICT.

THAT MEANS IT'S NOT GONNA BE MAPPED ANYWHERE IN PARTICULAR.

UH, AND THEN THAT, AND, AND WE, AND THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF KEEP TO THE, THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE AS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

UM, THAT, AND IT'LL CREATE A PROCESS, UH, AFTER WHICH OWNERS OF PROPERTIES MAY THEN SORT OF REZONE INTO THIS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE CREATIVE DISTRICT, COMBINING DISTRICT CODE, UH, TIMELINE FOR DIFFERENT MILESTONES.

UH, PRESENTED THIS TO THE ARTS COMMISSION ON THE 18TH, UH, PRESENTED TO THE CODES AND ORDINANCES JOINT COMMITTEE ON MARCH 20TH.

AND HAPPY TO SAY, UH, EVERYONE WHO WAS AT THAT, AT THAT MEETING VOTED.

IT WAS NOT EVERYONE WAS AT THE, WAS ON THE, WHO WAS ON THE COMMITTEE, WAS AT THAT, UH, MEETING, BUT EVERYONE WHO WAS ON THE DAIS, UH, VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO ENDORSE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, GOOD TO HEAR TONIGHT.

UM, PRESENTING TO Y'ALL, UM, OUR COUNCIL'S SET DATE, CURRENTLY, UH, THIS IS THE DATE WHERE WE'LL BE SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FUTURE.

UH, IT'S CURRENTLY SET FOR APRIL 18TH, SO THAT COULD BE REVISED, UH, PLANNING, COMMISSION HEARING.

WE ARE ORIGINALLY GONNA GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON APRIL 23RD, BUT WE FOUND OUT AT THE LAST CODES AND ORDINANCES, UH, JOINT COMMITTEE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, Y'ALL WERE PROBABLY AWARE THERE'S A LOT OF BIG ZONING ITEMS COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

AND, UH, THEY NEEDED TO BASICALLY MOVE US BACK TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

SO, UH, INSTEAD WE'LL BE GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MAY 28TH, AND THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, AND THE, THE TARGET IS TO BRING THIS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A HEARING AND ADOPTION ON JULY 18TH.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO, AS I WAS SAYING, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR THIS.

WE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON, UM, HAVING A CREATIVE DISTRICT COMBINE.

AND, AND, AND BY THE WAY, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE, THE DISTRICT THAT CAN BE APPLIED KIND OF CITYWIDE.

RED RIVER, AGAIN, IS IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY, IT'S INSIDE THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS AREA.

SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT HERE WOULDN'T WORK DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING THERE.

BUT THIS COULD BE USED IN CREATIVE DISTRICTS FOR, THAT ARE MUSIC FOCUSED OR CREATIVE ARTS FOCUSED ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.

BUT WHAT WE REALLY WANT US TO DO FOR THIS WOULD BE HAVE A FO HAVE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY STRONG ENGAGEMENT FROM, UH, CREATIVE SPACE STAKEHOLDERS.

UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'D BE SOME SORT OF PROCESS OF PRIOR COORDINATION AND ORGANIZING.

UH, WE REALLY WANT IT TO BE MORE OF A, A, A TOOL FOR FOLKS TO USE AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPOSED TOP DOWN.

AND, UH, WE WANTED THE PROCESS TO, UH, USE KIND OF NORMAL ZONING PROCESSES AND REZONING PROCESSES WITH, WITH AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE OR A GROUP APPLIES FOR THIS KIND OF DESIGNATION.

UM, AND THE FOCUS, AND, AND AGAIN, THE FOCUS, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, UH, FRAMEWORK THAT WILL, UH, PROMOTE NEW THE CREATION OF NEW CREATIVE SPACES AND VENUES, AND ALSO PRESERVE EXISTING CREATIVE SPACES AND VENUES.

SO, TO DO THIS BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE, FROM OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE PLANNING AND LEGAL DEPARTMENTS, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS A, IS A, UH, A CREATIVE DISTRICT COMBINING DISTRICT THAT IS A DENSITY BONUS DISTRICT, A SPECIAL TYPE OF DENSITY BONUS DISTRICT.

AND WHEN I SAY CREATIVE SPACES, THIS COULD APPLY TO DEFINITELY PERFORMANCE VENUE.

AND, AND, AND BECAUSE THIS IS A ZONING THING, WE HAVE TO USE ZONING, LAND USE DEFINITIONS.

WE CAN'T KIND OF USE OUR KIND OF PROGRAMMATIC DEFINITIONS.

IT'S GOTTA BE STUFF THAT A, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER CAN WALK IN AND TELL EXACTLY WHAT IT'S, UM, BUT THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THAT PERFORMANCE VENUE, UH, DEFINITION LAST YEAR.

SO IT COULD BE A GOOD PERFORMANCE VENUE, UH, OR IT COULD BE A COCKTAIL LOUNGE THAT ALREADY IS EXISTING AS A LIVE MUSIC VENUE, UH, WITH, IT HASN'T GOTTEN KIND OF A REZONING, UH, OR THESE OTHER TYPES OF USES, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S FOCUSED ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF ARTS, THEATER, UH, WORKSHOPS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

NEXT SLIDE.

LOOKING AT THE TOOLS FOR THIS.

SO THIS WOULD BE A CREATE, THIS WOULD BE A DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, LIKE I SAID.

AND, AND THE WAY DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS WORK IS YOU PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS.

YOU PROVIDE SOME GATEKEEPER REQUIREMENTS, AND IN RETURN FOR DOING THAT, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO

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BUILD LARGER BUILDINGS.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS IT IS.

YOU CAN BUILD A TALLER BUILDING, YOU CAN BUILD BUILDING WITH LOWER FLOOR AREA.

UH, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE GIVE, GIVE.

SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF THE PRIORITY TOOLS FOR WHAT A CREATIVE, UH, DISTRICT, COMBINING DISTRICT SHOULD HAVE, UH, UH, FIRST, UH, FIRST ONE WOULD BE A MINIMUM GROUND FLOOR CREATIVE SPACE REQUIREMENT.

SO ALONG AT LEAST 30% OF BUILDING FRONTAGE, UH, THE BUILDING MUST BE RESERVED FOR AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE USES.

UM, AND THEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR ITSELF, UH, AT LEAST 25% OF THE GROSS LEASEABLE AREA SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO AFFORDABLE, UH, CREATIVE SPACE USES THAT.

UM, THAT'S THE HELP CALIBRATE IT FOR, UH, VERY, VERY LARGE BUILDINGS ARE VERY LARGE SITES WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF MASS ON THE BOTTOM, BUT NOT AS MUCH FRONTAGE.

SO, UM, THIS WAY THERE'S A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF, TO BE A CREATIVE DISTRICT, A PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR HAS TO BE A CREATIVE USE.

IT HAS TO BE A VENUE, IT HAS TO BE ART WORKSHOPS.

IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT REALLY FITS THE BILL.

UH, THE MAJOR GATEKEEPER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS NOW, UH, ARE BASED ON SOME RULES THAT WERE JUST PASSED, UH, BACK, I BELIEVE, IN, UH, EITHER LATE FEBRUARY, EARLY MARCH, UH, IN THE CODE, WHICH IS RELATED TO, UH, PRESERVATION AND RELOCATION FOR, UH, BENEFITS FOR, UH, EXISTING NON RESIDENTIAL SPACE.

WHAT, WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO USE THIS DENSITY BONUS, YOU HAVE TO, YOU, YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH SOME PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS IF THERE'S, UH, VENUES OR ART SPACES, ET CETERA, ALREADY IN THE DISTRICT.

SO, UM, THAT WOULD, IT WOULD APPLY TO, FOR ANY CREATIVE SPACE AND OPERATION FOR 12 MONTHS OR LONGER.

UM, THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD INCLUDE, UH, NOTICE, EXTENSIVE NOTICE AND PAYING OF RELOCATION BENEFITS.

WE'RE STILL KIND OF TALKING WITH PLANNING AND LAW ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE RELOCATION BENEFITS WILL LOOK LIKE, UM, TRYING TO, TRYING TO MAKE 'EM, UH, AS, AS GENEROUS AS POSSIBLE.

UH, AND THEN THAT'S FOR DURING DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS IS IN THE CASE OF LIKE A BUILDING, A LARGER BUILDING ON AN EXISTING SITE.

UM, THEN THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO REPLACE, UH, ALL THE EXISTING SPACE WITH, UH, CREATIVE SPACES OF COMPARABLE SIZE.

SO IF YOU ARE, IF YOU GET A SITE THAT HAS A MUSIC VENUE, UH, WELL, WELL, IT'S, YEAH, LET'S, OR A MUSIC CLUB, UH, OR REHEARSAL SPACE.

WE CAN EVEN SAY GO WITH THAT.

MAYBE IF YOU HAVE, IF YOUR SITE HAS, UM, 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF REHEARSAL SPACE, YOU HAVE TO PUT BACK IN 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF SQUARE FEET OF REHEARSAL SPACE IN THE NEW BUILDING.

UM, AND, UH, THERE'S ALSO BASICALLY A, A SORT OF RIGHT TO RETURN ELEMENT WHERE IF THAT CREATIVE SPACE OPERATOR, UH, THAT'S BEEN OPERATING FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHS AT THE SITE, UH, IF THEY WANT IT, THEY AREN'T FORCED, BUT IF THEY WANT IT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE OPTION TO LEASE CREATIVE SPACE OF COMPARABLE SIZE AND AFFORDABILITY FOLLOWING THE COMPLETION OF REDEVELOPMENT.

SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT THE, SAY AGAIN, 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF REHEARSAL SPACE BACK, IF YOU HAD A TENANT THERE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM FIRST RIGHTS AND THE, AND THE LEADS HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHEN I GET TO THAT, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THAT SORT OF MEANS.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT BONUS, BASICALLY THERE'D BE A FOUR TO ONE REQUIREMENT FOR EVERY FOUR, UH, ADDITIONAL SQUARE, UH, ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET OF SPACE YOU BUILD AT LEAST ONE SQUARE FOOT HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE GIFT GAP.

AND, AND RETURN FOR THAT, YOU CAN, AND THAT CAN BE UP TO A, A 50% INCREASE IN THE BASE, UH, FLOOR AREA, OR AN ADDITIONAL TWO STORIES OR 30 FEET, UH, FOR THE BUILDING.

UM, THERE'S ALSO MODIFICATIONS FROM THE COMPATIBILITY CRITERIA TO MAKE THOSE EASIER.

AND SOME SITE AREA REQUIREMENTS ARE WAIVED AS WELL.

UH, WE MODELED, WE'RE JUST MODELING THIS ON, UH, UH, DENSITY BONUS THAT WAS JUST PASSED IN A SIMILAR WAY AS A PAPER DISTRICT.

UH, IT'S CALLED DB 90.

UH, BASICALLY THE SAME SORTS OF BENEFITS, MORE TARGETED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SOME OTHER TYPES OF REQUIREMENTS THAN THIS.

THIS IS TARGETED TO AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE, UM, BUT OTHERWISE FAIRLY SIMILAR IN THAT REGARD.

AND WE KNOW THAT, WE KNOW THAT'S AN EFFECTIVE TOOL BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON A ZONING INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT WAS PASSED, UH, ALREADY AND, AND HAD TO GET REVISED A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS ALREADY IN PROCESS USING THAT ONE.

SO WE KNOW IT'S SOMETHING DEVELOPERS WILL RESPOND TO, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE'D BASICALLY BE TRYING TO PIONEER HERE, THESE, THESE TYPES OF CRITERIA, BUT WE'RE RIGHT NOW TRYING TO SAY THAT WILL BE 50% OF THE, UH, RETAIL MARKET, RIGHT? UM,

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OR A STABILIZED LEASE TO REVENUE RATIO BASED ON THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE.

WHICH MEANS INSTEAD OF HAVING, LIKE, UH, INSTEAD OF JUST PAYING TRIPLE NET, FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF JUST PAYING A CERTAIN AMOUNT PER MONTH, UH, IT WOULD BE BASED ON, UH, WHAT A REASONABLE, UH, PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL SALES IS BASED ON TO HAVE A LOT MORE KIND OF RELIABILITY FOR AN OPERATOR.

UH, OR, OR JUST 50% OF MARKET RATE, BASICALLY.

UH, ALSO INCLUDING A 5% RENT, RENT ESCALATION CAP.

SO THAT, UH, WE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK OVER THE YEARS THAT A LOT OF VENUE OPERATORS HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH, UH, SORT OF RENTS SPIKING ON THEM OR, OR RENTS BEING INCREASED ON THEM.

LIKE SUDDENLY, IF, WHEN THERE'S A NEW YEAR, A NEW LEASE, THIS WOULD BASICALLY SAY, CAN'T DO THAT.

UH, AND THEN THIS WOULD ALSO INVOLVE A MINIMUM 10 YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD.

THAT'S, THAT'S A STANDARD, UH, LENGTH OF TIME AND A STANDARD TERM FOR THE CITY'S OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPLIANCE ITEMS. UH, MOST OTHER SORT OF DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS, UH, ANYTHING THAT'S NON-RESIDENTIAL, THEY HAD GENERALLY JUST HAVE A 10 YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, FEASIBLE TO KIND OF TRACK AND MONITOR AND, AND HANDLE THE COMPLIANCE FOR.

BUT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED HERE.

UM, WE ALSO WANT TO INCLUDE A FEE AND LIE OPTION.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING, LET'S SAY INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE IN THE BUILDING, UM, YOU COULD INSTEAD HAVE A FEE PER SQUARE FOOT THAT'S USED TO CALCULATE THAT.

YOU CAN CALCULATE AND INSTEAD PUT THAT MONEY IN, UH, PUT THAT MONEY INTO A FUND THAT CAN BE USED FOR PRESERVATION OF EXISTING CREATIVE SPACES IN A DISTRICT.

SO, AGAIN, TO MAKE IT MORE CONCRETE, LET'S SAY THIS IS A, A, THIS IS A DISTRICT WHERE THERE IS, UH, EXISTING ESTABLISHED MUSIC VENUE, UH, THAT NEEDS SUPPORT, UH, TRYING TO, FOR PRESERVATION PURPOSES, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, LONG, YOU KNOW, SAY BUYING OUT THEIR, BUYING OUT THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE.

UM, SOMETIMES IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT A MUSIC VENUE INSIDE OF A LARGE BUILDING.

SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.

SOMETIMES A VENUE SHOULD JUST BE A STANDALONE THING, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PUT THE MUSIC VENUE IN THE BUILDING, UM, THE DEVELOPER CAN PAY AN EQUIVALENT SORT OF FEE INTO A FUND THAT CAN BE USED TO HELP PRESERVE THE MUSIC VENUE NEXT DOOR.

SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S AN OPTION IN HERE AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE FINE.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS GETS TO, UM, THIS IS GETTING TO THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY.

AND, AND THAT'S SORT OF A DIFFERENT, UH, A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

UH, THE, THE, THE CREATIVE DISTRICT PROGRAM I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT IS BASED ON, UH, DENSITY BONUSES IN AREAS THAT DON'T ALREADY HAVE DENSITY BONUSES.

RED RIVER CURRENTLY, UH, IS IN THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS AREA.

SO WHAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED, UH, BY OUR COLLEAGUES IN PLANNING AND LAW IS THAT WHAT WE DO FOR REV RIVER IS BASICALLY, UH, IN, WE'D HAVE TO INITIATE A NEW DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS SUBDISTRICT WHILE WE ESTABLISH THIS CREATIVE DISTRICT COMBINED DISTRICT.

SO WE DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, WITH COUNCIL, THEN WE COULD TAILOR SOME OF THE, IT WOULD, IT COULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SORT OF ELEMENTS I WAS JUST DESCRIBING.

WE CAN TAILOR IT MORE FOR RED RIVER NEEDS AT THAT POINT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THAT'S THE SAFEST AND, AND MOST VIABLE, UH, OPTION TO GIVE RED RIVER, UH, A DENSITY OR AN OVERLAY.

UM, AND IT, IT'S ALSO THE, YEAH, IT'S THE MOST ESTABLISHED AND, AND SORT OF FEASIBLE ONE.

THE OTHER OPTION, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, UM, THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, THESE OPTIONS ALL HAVE KIND OF PLUSES AND MINUSES.

THE REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT, UM, RED RIVER IS ALSO CURRENTLY UNDER, UH, HEIGHT CAPS FROM OTHER TYPES OF ZONING OVERLAYS, THE KIND OF MEAN THAT MOST OF THE SITES IN RED RIVER AREN'T ELIGIBLE FOR THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS THEY COULD BE IN THE FUTURE.

UM, THE, THE THINGS THAT ARE, THE THINGS THAT ARE, UH, SORT OF HEIGHT CAPPING THEM ARE TIED TO, UH, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SEE THE CAPITAL BUILDING FROM I 35, UH, AND I 35 IS BEING RECONSTRUCTED, SO YOU NEVER KNOW.

BUT AS OF NOW, THAT, THAT CREATES KIND OF A CHALLENGING SITUATION.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE AREN'T LIKE A LOT OF, THERE AREN'T REALLY MANY GREAT OPTIONS BESIDES THAT.

ANOTHER OPTION, IF, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS SOMETHING, AND, AND WE'RE WE'RE, UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, EMAILS OUT TO BE MEETING RED WITH RED RIVER AND KIND OF BRIEFING THEM ON THIS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEIR, GETTING THEIR TAKES.

UM, THE OTHER OPTIONS THEY COULD LOOK AT ARE PURSUING HISTORIC DISTRICT PROCESS.

UM, THERE'S, THAT'S AN ESTABLISHED PROCESS WITH CLEAR PARAMETERS.

UH, THERE'S SOME BENEFITS TO DOING THAT.

IT, IT WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD BE A MUCH, IT WOULD BE A STRONGER PRESERVATION TOOL THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE KIND OF TRIGGERING THESE DENSITY BONUS,

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UH, UM, COMPONENTS.

UH, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE JUST A, A STRAIGHT REGULATORY OVERLAY THAT LIMITS USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

UM, OUR, OUR COLLEAGUES BASED THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS A, THAT IS A RESTRICTION OF EXISTING PROPERTY RIGHTS USES AND EXISTING PROPERTY USES.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE INITIATED EXPLICITLY BY COUNCIL IN THAT WAY.

WE'VE GOTTEN DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO KIND OF DO THESE DENSITY BONUS FRAMEWORKS AND THE, THESE SORT OF DENSITY BONUS DISTRICTS.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE OUR, WHERE OUR COLLEAGUES FEEL COMFORTABLE ON, UM, SOMETHING MORE, UH, SOMETHING MORE, UM, LIMITING OF EXISTING, UH, SITES WOULD REQUIRE, UH, MORE, MUCH MORE EXPLICIT COUNCIL DIRECTION.

AND THAT'S SORT OF, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE THAT'S AT.

AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IT.

COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? YEAH.

SO THAT IS, THAT IS IT.

AND THAT'S, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS, DONALD, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR, UH, BRINGING THIS PRESENTATION HERE.

UM, QUESTIONS, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER? YES.

UH, JUST, UH, THE GREEN YEP.

CAN HEAR YOU GO.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

UH, JUST HAD A, JUST A COUPLE OF LIKE, PRETTY PROBABLY SIMPLE QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, AS FAR, LIKE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE YOUR LANDLORD AND YOU OWN A MUSIC VENUE TO CHANGE THE LAND USE TO MUSIC VENUE AS YOU HAVE IT HERE, A LIVE MUSIC VENUE IN CREATIVE SPACE, UM, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE ADDED BONUS TO ALLOW YOUR TENANT TO HAVE THIS IS PREDICATED ON WHETHER OR NOT THE LANDLORD HAS THE ABILITY OR FINANCIAL STAKES TO DEVELOP ON THE PROPERTY.

SO IF THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF MAINTAIN AND COLLECT RENT, IS THERE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU'RE ADDING A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT TO YOUR LAND AT THAT POINT, TOO.

SO IF I OWNED A PIECE OF LAND, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF ADDING A LOT OF RED TAPE TO THAT LAND AT THAT POINT.

SO IT'D BE A LOT EASIER TO TELL YOUR TENANT TO SAY NO, STAY AS A COCKTAIL LOUNGE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A RESTRICTED COVENANT ON MY LAND, AND I'M NOT GONNA DEVELOP IT TO THREE TO FOUR STORIES HIGHER ANYWAY.

'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE, WELL, WHATEVER, 10, $50 MILLION TO DO IT.

UM, HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL? RIGHT.

WELL, SO, AND JUST TO, SO TO CLARIFY, TO E EVEN, EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE LAND USE TO SOMETHING ELSE, THEY CAN DEF THEY CAN DO THAT, THAT THEY DON'T NEED THIS, THEY DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THAT.

THIS WOULD CREATE A, A DISTRICT PROCESS AND A DENSITY BONUS PROCESS.

SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE, THIS IS, IF THEY WANT TO GET A REGULATORY INCENTIVE TO DO THIS.

SO IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO GET A REGULATORY INCENTIVE TO, TO PUT, UM, UH, TO, TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THEIR SITE OR SUPPORT IT IN THE DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE IN, THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD BE FOR IN TERMS OF JUST CHANGING THE ZONING THAT'S LIKE, THEY CAN JUST, OR, OR JUST CHANGING THE LAND USE TO, UH, PERFORMANCE VENUE OR TO, YOU KNOW, COCKTAILS OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S JUST A ZONING PROCESS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THEY CAN JUST, THEY CAN JUST DO.

THIS IS FOR GETTING EXTRA INCENTIVE TO DO THAT IN TERMS OF AN EXISTING, IF YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING LANDLORD AND YOU, AND, UH, YOU JUST WANT THEM TO KIND OF KEEP THE, KEEP THE TENANT THEY'VE GOT, KEEP THE VENUE THEY'VE GOT, AND POTENTIALLY HAVE A MORE AFFORDABLE SITUATION FOR THEM, THAT WOULDN'T REALLY BE BEST TO ACCOMPLISH THROUGH A REGULATORY INCENTIVE PROCESS.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT BUILDING NEW STUFF, THAT IT'S KIND OF ENOUGH HARD TO DO ANY SORT OF INCENTIVE FOR THAT.

MM-HMM.

.

BUT IF, UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR OTHER TYPES OF PROGRAMS AND OTHER TYPES OF INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES TO HELP, UH, STABILIZE, UH, MUSIC VENUES AND OTHER, AND, AND OTHER ART SPACES IN PLACE.

WELL, THANK YOU.

SURE THING.

MR. JACKSON.

I, UM, UM, MR. JACKSON, UH, UM, SCOTT STRICKLAND HERE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

THE, UM, THE, UM, FIR FIRST OFF HAVE, HAVE, LIKE, IN, IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, AND, UH, HAVE YOU ALL BEEN IN TALKS WITH ANY REAL ESTATE DEVELOPING COMPANIES ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO US TODAY? WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT, AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO, UH, ONE OF THE ULI GROUPS ON THIS LATER IN THE MONTH.

AND WE ARE ALSO HAPPY TO KEEP TALKING TO, UH, OTHER DEVELOPERS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT GROUPS ON IT.

OKAY.

UH, SO MY, MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT WOULD BE IS, UH, KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER, THE, THIS WON'T REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING FOR LIKE A, LIKE A VIDEO THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE

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STUBS ISN'T GONNA BUILD A HIGH RISE ON TOP OF, OF THEIR VENUE.

SO WE'RE, I MEAN, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE'RE OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING, UM, AT SOME POINT IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.

I'M, I'M, I'M ASSUMING AM AM I, AM I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SPEAK TO OR, YEAH, DEFINITELY.

SO FOR THIS, FOR THIS AND FOR THIS PROGRAM, THE, THE, THE, THE PLANNING AND THINKING FOR IT IS, IT WOULD BE FOCUSED TO, UH, DISTRICTS OR LARGE SITES, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO, UH, IN TERMS OF, YEAH, IF THERE'S NO REDEVELOPMENT AT ALL IN THAT DISTRICT, THIS WOULDN'T, THIS WOULDN'T APPLY BECAUSE THIS IS A DENSITY BONUS.

SURE.

INCENTIVE, RIGHT? BUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE A DISTRICT THAT HAS SOME SITES, IF, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A DISTRICT AREA THAT IS DOING THIS AND IT HAS A MIX OF SITES, SOME OF THEM YOU WANT TO PRESERVE, OR SOME OF THEM THAT ARE GOING TO STAY THE SAME, AND SOME WHERE THEY WOULD BE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES OR, UM, IF, OR PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD WANT TO DEVELOP LARGER BUILDINGS ON THEM, UM, THEN THEY COULD USE THAT, LIKE I WAS SAYING, THERE CAN BE THE, THERE'S, THERE WOULD BE THIS FEE AND LOOP COMPONENT.

SO IF YOU HAVE, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE ONE, ONE DISTRICT THAT'S TWO BLOCKS OR A BLOCK AND ONE PARCEL ON THERE WANTS TO GO UP TO A 90 FOOT BUILDING, AND ANOTHER PARCEL IS A MUSIC VENUE AND JUST WANTS TO STAY THAT WAY.

AND THE LANDLORD'S FINE WITH THAT.

THE FEE IN LIE FROM THAT LARGER BUILDING NEXT DOOR CAN BE USED TO HELP SUBSIDIZE THE VENUE NEXT DOOR.

GOT IT.

UH, SO IT, IT, IT SEEMS, SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, STREAM REALTY IS, IS, IS IS A COMPANY THAT BASICALLY HAS BOUGHT UP A LOT OF PROPERTY EAST OF 35 UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR KIND OF THING.

AND, AND, AND WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT IS THAT WHOLE AREA OF EAST OF 35 IS GOING TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, TO WHERE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA LOSE QUITE A FEW VENUES, MAYBE, UH, GONNA LOSE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE OVER THERE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING THE WHOLE WHOLE I 35 EXPANSION, UH, CAMPAIGN.

AND SO IT, IT, IT, IT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE'RE INCENTIVIZING THESE NEW DEVELOPERS TO KIND OF LIKE JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT CREATIVE SPACES IN THESE NEW PLACES.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AS A COMMISSION ALREADY, BUT, MM-HMM.

, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF VERY SIMILAR TO THE NASHVILLE OR THE NEW YORK MODEL OR SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE KIND OF JUST PUTTING MUSICIANS IN CORNERS AND ARTISTRY AND, AND, AND, AND WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SUPPORTING THE ARTS, BUT IT'S ALSO UP TO THE VENUE AND UP TO THE OWNER OF, OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.

BUT THEN IT'S ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT SEEMS THIS IS KIND OF HAPPENING PRETTY HARD AND FAST, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE AND, AND ON AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS, UH, BASED ON THE, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THEM A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, NEEDS HELP.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE SORT OF AT AN, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMPASSE HERE WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOMETHING THAT'S BRAND NEW, BRINGING SOMETHING NEW IN VERSUS THE PRESERVING THE OLD.

AND, UH, MR. JACKSON, I MEAN, I, I WOULD JUST, I MEAN, IS, IS THERE, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? YEAH, DEFINITELY.

SO, SO, UH, AS I, SO THERE ARE A COUPLE ISSUES THERE.

AND, AND, AND, AND, AND TEASING IT APART A LITTLE BIT.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE, THE MAIN, THE MAIN THRUST OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE THIS CREATIVE DISTRICT PROCESS THAT COULD BE APPLIED OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN.

AND, AND THAT MEAN, AND IN, IN THAT SITUATION, FOLKS COULD DO CREATIVE DISTRICT WHERE THAT, THAT HAD BUILT IN, UM, INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE CREATIVE SPACE IN THE NEW, IN NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMING IN, UH, OR GENERATING FEES THAT COULD BE USED TO PRESERVE EXISTING CREATIVE SPACES IN THOSE DISTRICTS.

RHETORIC AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS, IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY UNDER THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS BONUS THAT, UM, THAT AND HAS THESE LIMITATIONS.

SO, SO AS I, AS I SAID, I MEAN, THE ONLY, THE ONLY WAY TO, FROM A REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE, THE ONLY WAY TO, UM, IF YOU'VE GOT EXISTING PROPERTIES AND EXISTING VENUES, THE ONLY WAY TO ADDRESS THAT FROM A REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE, IF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS PRESERVE THEM, IS TO HAVE BASICALLY A REGULATORY OVERLAY THAT LIMITS THE USES, UM, ON THOSE SITES TO BEING VENUES.

AND THAT IS, UH, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS LEGAL.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT CITY COUNCIL, I'M, WE'RE STAFFERS.

WE CAN'T RECOMMEND THAT THAT'S A LIMITATION OF PROPERTY

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USES.

IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY DRAMATIC.

UH, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO PROTEST RIGHTS AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.

UH, COUNCIL CAN DO THAT.

UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT CALL.

IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO INITIATE THAT, THEN, THEN THEY CAN INSTRUCT STAFF TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. JACKSON.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, I'LL, I'LL GET RIGHT TO YOU AFTER MR. COMMISSIONER ROSENTHAL HERE.

UH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS IS DESIGNED TO HAVE CREATIVE SPACE BEING SHARED WITH OTHER USES IN A BUILDING.

AND ARE THOSE OTHER USES GOING TO BE RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL IS RIGHT, BECAUSE I COULD, I CAN FORESEE A REAL PROBLEM THAT IF 30% OF A GROUND FLOOR IS RESERVED FOR A LIVE MUSIC VENUE AND THE REST OF THE BUILDING IS ALL CONDOS, UH, THERE MIGHT BE COM THERE MIGHT BE SOUND COMPLAINTS AND NOISE COMPLAINTS.

AND, UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT OUR VENUES FROM HAVING TO DEAL WITH, UH, ANNOYED NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

UH, WE, AS THE CODE IS, AS IT'S CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED, THERE'S A LOT OF, WE WANT TO GIVE FOLKS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR THIS, THIS WOULD, THAT BEING SAID, THIS WOULD BE GOING, ANY, ANY APPLICATION OF THIS WOULD GO THROUGH A FULL ZONING REZONING PROCESS.

SO THERE'D BE A LOT OF TIMES TO WORK OUT THOSE KIND OF ISSUES FOR THE SPECIFIC USES THAT ARE PROPOSED.

UM, THEY WOULDN'T, WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO, IN THE SITUATION OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREATIVE SPACES, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANNA PRESCRIBE, UM, RESIDENTIAL.

IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.

IT MIGHT ALSO MAKE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAD ART SPACES ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND, UH, UH, HOUSING TARGETED TO ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS ABOVE.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO KIND OF DO A A ONE SIZE FITS ALL ON THAT.

WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE A LEVEL OF, WE WANNA MAINTAIN ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY, UH, AND ENSURE THAT THAT CAN BE WORKED AT WITH SPECIFIC, UH, PROJECTS.

AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, THE INTENT, AND AGAIN, THE, THE INTENT OF THIS IS NOT TO JUST BE SOMETHING THAT ANY BUILDING ANYWHERE CAN JUST DO, OR ANY DEVELOPER CAN JUST DO, UH, AT ANY SITE.

THE INTENT IS TO DO IS TO KIND OF HAVE THIS BE A SITUATION WHERE THERE HAS TO BE PROACTIVE, THE PROACTIVE CREATION OF SOMETHING LIKE A DISTRICT.

UH, THINK IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW KIND OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS WORK, THERE HAS TO BE, I THINK THEY, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT FOR ONE BLOCK FACE.

UH, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THAT SUBSTANTIAL, BUT THE, THE INTENT IS THAT FOR ANYONE BRINGING THIS FORWARD, IT'S NOT JUST A DEVELOPER DOING THIS FOR ONE BUILDING TO, TO GET A, TO GET THIS ONE PARTICULAR BONUS.

IT'S PART OF A COMMUNITY AND A COM A COMMUNITY EFFORT AND A COMMUNITY DRIVEN EFFORT.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THIS WOULD BE MORE CREATING THE MECHANISM BY WHICH PEOPLE CAN DO THAT AND CREATING A BONUS THAT CAN BE USED FOR THAT.

UM, AND THOUGH I WILL BE, AND THEN, AND I WILL BE CLEAR, WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING OUT WITH LAW HOW BEST TO, TO DO THAT.

UM, THAT IS, THERE'S, WITH ALL THE RECENT LAWSUITS, THE LAST, UM, LAST COUPLE OF YEARS RELATED TO, UH, ZONING AND STUFF THAT THE FOLKS MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT, A LOT OF KIND OF THE FRAMEWORK FOR DOING THIS IS A LITTLE SHAKY.

UM, SO WE, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT CAN JUST BE APPLIED WILLY-NILLY OR APPLIED IN A WAY WHERE YOU PUT OBVIOUS USE CONFLICTS TOGETHER LIKE THAT, BUT THAT THERE'S LIKE AN INTENTIONAL PROCESS WITH LIKE, GOOD REVIEW.

OKAY.

I JUST, I JUST FORESEE A SITUATION WHERE EVERY HIGH-END CONDO COMPLEX THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THIS WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A FANCY ART GALLERY ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT THEY SURE DON'T WANT A PUNK CLUB THERE.

AND I, YOU KNOW, SO I SEE MUSIC AS, AS BEING, UH, THE, UH, THE LESS DESIRED YEAH.

OR MUSIC PART OF ART.

YEAH.

OR MUSIC AT ALL.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WELL, THEY'D LOVE TO HAVE SYMPHONY HALL THERE, RIGHT? PROBABLY.

YEAH.

BUT, OKAY.

UM, COMMISSIONER ADA, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AL.

THANK YOU, MR. JACKSON.

UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I'M STILL DEFINITELY ABSORBING A LOT OF, UM, INFORMATION.

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE KIND OF A, UM, SOME ELEMENTARY, UM, QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

BUT IN REGARDS TO RED RIVER, HAS THE PLAN FOR THE EXPANSION OF I 35 BEEN SOLIDIFIED IN THAT AREA? OR IS IT STILL AN ONGOING PROCESS? I ANITA, LIKE A VISUAL OF WHAT IS ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED OR NOT BEEN DETERMINED? , THAT IS, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

MY DEPARTMENT IS NOT REALLY OVERSEEING THAT.

THAT'S THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC

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WORKS DEPARTMENT.

UH, OR, AND THE CORRIDOR PROGRAM, IT, IT'S, IT'S SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE KIND OF MANAGING THAT.

UH, WE CAN LOOK AND SEE KIND OF WHAT THE UPDATE, WHAT THE UPDATED STATUS ARE OR WHAT THE UPDATED STATUS IS FOR, FOR THE 35, UM, RECONSTRUCTION IN THE, IN IN THAT AREA.

I, DOES ANYBODY KNOW IN THIS ROOM IF, IN TERMS OF I 35 IN THE, AND IF THE PLANS HAVE BEEN SOLIDIFIED IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE EXPANSION NEAR THE RED RIVER DISTRICT? OR DO WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW, WHICH MAY BE, I THINK IT, I THINK IT HAS, BUT I'M, UM, OKAY.

I, I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY KIND OF VALUABLE INFORMATION TO JUST KNOW THAT TIMELINE, UM, MM-HMM.

BECAUSE, UH, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AREAS AROUND LIKE 38TH STREET OR LIKE WHERE THE CHRONICLE WERE AND LIKE SOME PRESCHOOL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE, WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, I IF WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING BY THE RED RIVER DISTRICT, UM, I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M SORRY.

SURE.

WELL, IN TERMS OF THE CONS, I DON'T KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE TYPE THINGS.

I, I CAN SAY THAT NOTHING IN THE I 35 IS NOT EXPANDING.

IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT ANY, ANY VENUES ON RED RIVER DIRECTLY IN TERM IN THE WAY THAT, THAT SOME OF THE SITES THAT YOU'VE, THAT YOU'VE HEARD OF, THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT ARE ADJACENT, LIKE ON I 35 MM-HMM.

, UH, WERE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES ARE BEING, UM, ACQUIRED BY, BY TXDOT TO DO THE 35 EXPANSION.

MM-HMM.

, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TO ANY OF THE RED RIVER VENUES.

THAT'S NOT ON THE, AT LEAST NOT ON THE PUBLIC MAPS THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO, TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC END OF THE CITY AS, AS, AS FAR AS I'VE SEEN.

OKAY.

SO, UM, THE IMPACTS WOULD BE MORE ABOUT LIKE CONSTRUCTION AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA BE A THING.

WE'RE ALL GONNA BE DEALING WITH THAT FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.

SO, YEAH.

OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S JUST HELPFUL BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE SWIRLING CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE, AND I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY PRAGMATIC ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY AM NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH ALL THESE, THE, THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED, BUT, UM, BUT I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

IT SEEMS LIKE ON A WHOLE, THAT IT'LL REALLY BENEFIT, UM, THE GROWTH OF AUSTIN.

I DO THINK THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UM, WHAT IS A BETTER WORD THAN HISTORIC, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A LOADED TERM, BUT SOME OF THE URBAN CORE, I THINK IS, UM, WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS WILL BE APPLIED AND, AND THE, THE SENSE OF VALUE FROM IT.

SO I GUESS IT'S JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL, UM, REALLY HAVE OUR HEAD IN THE GAME TO DETAILS, OR IT COULD VERY EASILY CHANGE WITHOUT US REALLY KNOWING THE IMPACTS OF THE, UM, DOWNTOWN IDENTITY.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER KED.

UH, COMMISSIONER ROSENTHAL.

YEAH, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

AND BY THE WAY, I THINK THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING AND THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE.

I'M JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THESE THINGS PLAY OUT.

SO I NOTICED THERE'S THE FEE IN LIEU OPTION.

MM-HMM.

.

AND IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, IF A, UH, DEVELOPER SAYS, OH, THIS, I SHOULDN'T HAVE A VENUE HERE, I WANT TO INSTEAD SUPPORT SOME OTHER VENUE IN THE DISTRICT.

UM, SO THAT'S A BIT OF A LOOPHOLE, AND I COULD SEE THAT A DEVELOPER WHO REALLY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH INTEREST OR CARE FOR MUSIC, THE ARTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT MIGHT SAY, OH, THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO THROW IN A MILLION DOLLARS OR SO INTO THIS FUND AND THEN BUILD MY EXTRA FLOOR AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING, BUT THAT MEANS THAT THIS FEE IN LIEU FUND COULD BE VERY, COULD GET TO BE VERY BIG.

SO HOW BIG DO YOU THINK IT COULD POSSIBLY GET? UH, HOW WOULD IT BE MANAGED AND COULD THIS BE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW COULD WE, AS THE MUSIC COMMISSION DRAW UPON THIS FEE IN LIE FUND TO SUPPORT MUSIC, UH, AS ANOTHER, UH, AS ANOTHER RESOURCE? SURE.

GREAT QUESTIONS.

AND, AND, AND, YEAH.

YES, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THAT WOULD PLAY OUT AND WHAT THAT, HOW, HOW THAT COULD WORK FROM A FEE AND LIE OPTION.

UM, THAT THOUGH, AGAIN, UH, ONCE AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY WOULD BE DOING THIS IN SOME, SOMEWHERE THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN SORT OF DESIGNATED A CREATIVE DISTRICT.

SO IT'D BE IN AN, IT'D BE KIND OF A PROCESS OF NEGOTIATION WITH STAKEHOLDERS THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE IT'S

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NOT JUST, THEY'RE NOT PRES, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD SOMETHING TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT OR SOMETHING THAT CONFLICTS WITH THE VENUES, ET CETERA.

UM, IN TERMS OF HOW BIG THE FUND CAN BE, I, I, I, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T WANNA, I HONESTLY WOULDN'T WANNA SPECULATE.

UM, THIS, THIS WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE UTILIZED AS HEAVILY AS SIMILAR FUNDS THAT THE CITY HAS THROUGH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT THAT ARE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE SORT OF CREATED THAT ARE FED BY EVERY DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM IN THE CITY.

UM, THIS WOULD BE A MORE LIMITED ONE.

THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT DEFINITELY COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL, UH, AND HOPEFULLY SUB, AND THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT IT COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO HELP PRESERVE EXISTING, UH, VENUES AND EX AND, AND CREATIVE DISTRICTS.

UM, THE WAY IT WOULD BE APPLIED, WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CAN KINDA KEEP WORKING OUT THE DETAILS OF.

UH, IT ISN'T AS, IT ISN'T IMMEDIATELY ESSENTIAL FOR THE CODE, BUT IT WOULD, UH, THE FUNDS WOULD BASICALLY BE DEPOSITED IN A CITY MANAGED FUND, OR A FUND MANAGED BY A CITY, UH, PARTNER, UH, LIKE THE EDC, UM, UH, OR DIRECTLY TO THE CITY LIKE CSAP.

IT, IT COULD JUST, THEY WOULD GO INTO SOME SORT OF FUND THAT COULD BEEN THEN, THEN BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS PRESERVATION PURPOSES.

SO THOSE ARE JUST TWO EXAMPLES OF FUNDS THAT THE CITY AND CITY PARTNER, EDC USED TO DO PRESERVATION TYPE WORK FOR, FOR CREATIVE SPACES.

THAT KIND OF THING COULD BE, UH, REPLICATED OR COULD BE DONE THROUGH THOSE FUNDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, I THINK SOME OF THOSE ARE KIND OF DETAILS THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE THE OP THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ROSETO.

COMMISSIONER GOUL, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? PLEASE GO AHEAD.

I DID.

THANK YOU.

HI.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.

THIS IS REALLY INCREDIBLE.

UM, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PAPER DISTRICT CONCEPT, UM, AND THEN, BECAUSE THE REASON WHY I AM, I'M WONDERING ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF MAYBE COMMUNITY GROUPS OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

MM-HMM.

WANT TO PUT TOGETHER CREATIVE SPACES, MAYBE COLLABORATE WITH EACH OTHER, LIKE NOT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BIG DEVELOPER, BUT THE PER FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, JUST AN, AN, A CRE A GROUP OF CREATIVE AUSTINITE THAT WANNA COME TOGETHER AND MAYBE, UM, GO IN ON SOME LAND AND, AND, AND CREATE LIKE A, A MULTI-USE CREATIVE COMPLEX OR SOMETHING.

SO, UM, BUT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE POSSIBLE DOWNTOWN OR IN ANY OF THE EXISTING DISTRICTS.

SO WHEN YOU SAID THE PA, THE THING ABOUT THE PAPER DISTRICT, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT COULD BE REALLY COOL BECAUSE THEN MAYBE IT OPENS IT UP FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, REGULAR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES AND MONEY TO DO THINGS MAYBE OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, UH, CENTRAL, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WHEREVER.

SO YEAH.

YEAH, DEFINITELY.

AND THAT IS, THAT IS A A THOUSAND PERCENT PART OF THE INTENT.

LIKE THE, SO YES, THIS WOULD, THE PAPER DISTRICT MEANS IT, IT'S NOT BEING APPLIED ANYWHERE SPECIFICALLY NOW.

IT'S, IT CREATES A PROCESS THAT, UH, PEOPLE CAN USE TO, TO, TO ADOPT.

IT CAN RE TO REZONE INTO IT.

AND THAT CAN BE DONE, THAT COULD BE DONE ANYWHERE, BASICALLY ANYWHERE IN THE CITY THAT HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE COMMERCIAL ZONING OR LAND OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, PROBABLY COULDN'T DO IT IN LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD SUPER EASILY.

UM, TECHNICALLY WE DIDN'T RESTRICT, WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING IT, BUT LIKE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, AGAIN, PEOPLE HAVE TO WANNA DO IT.

UH, IT'S A ZONING THING SO PEOPLE CAN OPPOSE IT.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE TO, SO BASICALLY THINKING ABOUT LIKE ANY, ANYWHERE THAT'S GOT COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE OR INDUSTRIAL OR WAREHOUSE OR LIKE LAND, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, YEAH, THEY COULD DEFINITELY DO IT.

THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS.

THE POINT IS TO MAKE IT CREATE A PROCESS WHERE FOLKS COULD DO EXACTLY THAT.

UM, IT COULDN'T BE DONE AT THE DOWNTOWN, LIKE PARTLY, YOU KNOW, PARTLY LAND-WISE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

ALSO, JUST, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T, THIS, THIS WOULDN'T WORK WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING LIKE MAJOR DENSITY BONUS AND LIKE DOWNTOWN HAS A, HAS THE BIGGEST DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM IN THE CITY ALREADY.

SO, UH, IT COULDN'T REALLY CONFLICT WITH THAT, BUT IT COULD BE, IT COULD WORK ANY ANYWHERE ELSE IN AUSTIN.

SO, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GOLD.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE COMMISSION? UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, PATTERSON, THANKS SO MUCH, DAWN.

UH, THIS AS YOU KNOW, LIKE IMMENSELY SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THIS, AND IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE IT PROGRESS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN, THIS CONCEPT'S BEEN DEVELOPED VERY THOUGHTFULLY, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

COULD CREATIVE SPACE BE DEFINED, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED EARLIER SOME MONTHS AGO, BUT COULD

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CREATIVE SPACE BE DESIGNED AS WORK, LIVE SPACES? LIKE COULD, COULD HOUSING BE FOLDED IN THAT WAY? I THINK WE COULD.

SO, SO THIS COULD DEFINITELY ALLOW THAT.

UM, ANYWAY, BUT IN TERMS OF INCLUDING THAT AS PART OF THE BONUS, WHAT WE, WE KEPT, WE KEPT IT TO THE KIND OF STANDARD CREATIVE SPACE USES.

WE DID, WE ARE GONNA, WE ARE RECOMMENDING HAVING A SORT OF, UM, A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY IN THERE FOR OTHER USES IS DEFINED BY THE DIRECTOR.

THAT'S TO ACCOMMODATE THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE WOULDN'T WANNA SAY JUST ANY SORT OF APARTMENTS FOR ANYBODY CAN COUNT TOWARDS YOUR CREATIVE SPACE.

'CAUSE LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

BUT WE WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN, UH, LIVE WORK UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE AND TARGETED TO, UH, ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS WITH STUDIO SPACE, YEAH.

THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO COUNT IN.

WE JUST NEED TO GO THROUGH, WE JUST NEED TO APPROVE IT IN THAT PROCESS.

OKAY.

THAT'S A SPECIAL CASE.

THAT'S AWESOME.

YEAH.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, THIS IS SORT OF A COMBINED QUESTION FOR RIGHT TO RETURN AND THE FEE AND LIE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF A BUSINESS IS TEMPORARILY DISPLACED BY CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO RETURN AND SUBSIDIZE RENT, LIKE WHEN THEY GO BACK IN, IF, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE, TAKE THAT HIATUS AND COME BACK IN, I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR SOME FUNDING TO GO TO THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR FRESH STARTUP COSTS AS THEY GO BACK INTO THE NEW BUILDING.

UM, SO THAT THEY MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR BOTH THE COMBINATION OF THE SUBSIDING SPACE, BUT ALSO SOME FUNDING FOR LIKE, JUST RE RESTARTING THEIR BUSINESS.

SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

THAT'S A GREAT, THAT IS A, THAT IS A, THAT IS A REALLY GREAT SUGGESTION.

AND THAT MIGHT BE SOME THAT, THAT MIGHT BE VERY, THAT MIGHT BE TRICKY TO HANDLE FROM THE REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD WRAP INTO OUR ECONOMIC INCENTIVES AS WELL.

AND THE WAY WE'RE DESIGNING THOSE, THEY COULD LAYER, UH, ON TOP OF THIS.

SO TO HAVE EXTRA KIND OF PROTECTION FOR, FOR VENUES, UH, WITH THE REGULATORY ANGLE AS WELL AS THE AS, AS WELL AS A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE.

OKAY.

AWESOME.

AND SO IS THERE A RADIUS FOR THE, THE FEE AND LU USE? LIKE, I KNOW FOR PARKLAND FEES, IT'S, THERE'S A SPECIFIC RADIUS.

WOULD THIS BE SIMILAR? WELL, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE DISTRICT THAT IT'S IN.

OH, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

ALRIGHT, WELL, GREAT.

UM, SO I MEAN, I WOULD ALSO, JUST WHILE I'M SPEAKING, I'D PROPOSE TO THE COMMISSION THAT WE, UH, BRING THIS FORWARD ON OUR NEXT AGENDA AS AN ACTION ITEM SO THAT WE CAN, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, UH, TO SUPPORT THIS.

GREAT.

WE'LL GET THAT ADDED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.

UM, UH, HI, UH, MR. JACKSON, I HAVE JUST A FEW POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.

THE CITY COUNCIL SET DATE APRIL 18TH IN THE COUNCIL HEARING.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FOR, UH, FOR ANY SORT OF ZONING CHANGE? YOU HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO YOU HAVE TO DO ONE COUNCIL, BE THE COUNCIL HAS TO, UM, UH, SET THE DATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ONE MEETING, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO, THEN YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT A MONTH, UH, AT, AT LEAST.

AND THEN THEY HAVE TO, UM, SET THE, UH, THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, THE REASON IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A BIG, A BIG GAP IN, IN THIS NEW TIMELINE IS BECAUSE FOR ANY ZONING THING, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING.

IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST, AND BASICALLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SWAMPED UNTIL THE END OF MAY.

SO THEY JUST HAD TO PUSH, THEY HAD TO PUSH BACK OURS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

SO THEN THE NEXT, THE ONLY MEETING THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED FOR COUNT AND THEN AFTER, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE, IS THAT THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR TWO FOR, FOR COUNCIL TO, TO, TO REVIEW IT.

THERE'S ONLY ONE COUNCIL MEETING, UH, AFTER THE, THE, THE, THE ONLY COUNCIL MEETING AVAILABLE AFTER, UH, THE MAY 28TH, UM, DATE OR AFTER THAT END OF MAY IS NOT UNTIL JULY 18TH BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE ANY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN JUNE.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND, UH, THESE, UM, THE, THE, THE PARAMETERS AROUND THE 30% OF THE BUILDING FRONT AGE 25% OF GROUND FLOOR, MM-HMM.

, UH, BEING USED FOR AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACES.

UM, DO THESE APPLY TO EVERY, EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY, UM, THAT, THAT GETS, YOU KNOW, BUILT IN THE,