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[CALL TO ORDER ]

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URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION.

IT IS APRIL 2ND, 2024, 5:03 PM I'M GONNA CALL OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING TO ORDER.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, AS ALWAYS IS, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ON GENERAL ITEMS, NOT ON OUR AGENDA.

UM, I WILL DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE, BUT I WILL JUST WEIGH THE ROOM HERE REAL QUICKLY IF ANYONE'S HERE TO SPEAK ON A GENERAL ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA.

OKAY, GREAT.

[1. Approve the minutes of the Urban Transportation Commission REGULAR MEETING on March 5, 2024. ]

SO THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO APPROVAL OF OUR MARCH 5TH, 20, 24 MINUTES.

COMMISSIONERS.

THESE WERE CIRCULATED.

UH, YOU HAVE THIS IN YOUR PACKET.

THESE WERE ALSO EMAILED OUT.

IF YOU NEED JUST A SECOND TO LOOK AT THESE, UM, I WILL MOVE APPROVAL ON THESE MINUTES.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THOSE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THESE MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT.

THOSE ONLINE LOOKS LIKE THAT'S UNANIMOUS OF THOSE IN ATTENDANCE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU FOLKS.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

[2. Discussion on Green Streets Initiative ]

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.

NO ACTION.

AND THAT IS A PRESENTATION ON THE GREEN STREETS INITIATIVE FROM KEVIN HOWARD.

SO, UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR FROM YOU.

THANK YOU.

IT SHOULD BE GREEN WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S READY FOR YOU.

HELLO EVERYONE.

I'M KEVIN HOWARD.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

UM, I, UM, I AM WORKING WITH THE GREEN STREETS INITIATIVE.

UM, MY DAY JOB IS WITH URBAN AND DESIGN LAB.

WE'RE A PLANNING AND, UH, URBAN DESIGN CONSULTANCY, UM, WORKING KIND OF ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON A, A NUMBER OF THINGS.

UM, BUT THE GREEN STREETS INITIATIVE KIND OF, UH, FORMED OUT OF AN EFFORT THAT, UM, THAT I STARTED AS, UH, IN PARALLEL WITH JANNA MCCANN AT MCCANN ADAMS STUDIO, WHERE WE WERE BOTH REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS, I WAS COMING FROM NATIONAL CONSULTANCY AND, UM, KIND OF SEEING, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICE, UM, NATIONALLY AROUND, UH, URBAN DESIGN AND, AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, ZONING CODE ESPECIALLY, UM, BUT DEVELOPMENT POLICY GENERALLY.

UM, AND SHE WAS COMING IN FROM A VERY LOCAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT URBAN DESIGN AND URBAN DESIGN LEADERSHIP.

AND WE CAME TOGETHER REALLY AROUND THE SUBJECT, UM, OF STREET TREES, UM, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, IN SUCH A HOT CITY, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THEM.

AND, AND WHY.

UM, AND SO I'M, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES.

UM, THIS FIRST SLIDE IS REALLY JUST, UM, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW, THIS IS FROM THE NEW, UH, CITY OF NEW YORK.

UH, BUT THIS IS KIND OF JUST TO SHOW IN WITHIN THE PUBLIC REALM.

THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES WITH THAT ARE STAKEHOLDERS.

UM, AND SO THINGS ARE COMPLICATED.

UM, IN AUSTIN, IT'S, IT'S HOT HERE.

UM, YOU ALL HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT GETTING FIRST COUPLE HOT DAYS OF THE YEAR.

UM, IT'S GONNA GET HOTTER.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GUYS AWARE OF THIS.

I'M SURE YOU ARE.

BUT BY 2050, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT THREE MONTHS WITH, UH, AT A HEAT INDEX OVER A HUNDRED DEGREES, UM, COMPARED TO ONE MONTH HISTORICALLY.

SO, UH, OUR FUTURE, UM, IS, IS ROUGH AND WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR IT.

UM, AND SO, UH, WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCH ON THIS SUBJECT FOR, UM, ABOUT, UH, JUST ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW.

UM, AND SO WE WERE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE IDENTIFYING A BUNCH OF OTHER RESEARCH, BUT, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS AN IMAGE FROM SOME RESEARCH THAT WAS DONE, UH, A WHILE BACK, UM, I THINK WITH, UM, TEXAS STATE.

UM, BUT IT KIND OF, IT SHOWS HOW OUR HEAT ISLANDS ARE REALLY FOCUSED ALONG OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS, WHICH ARE THE ENVIRONMENTS, UH, WE ENTER WHEN WE DECIDE WHETHER TO, UM, BIKE AND WALK AND, AND SO FORTH.

AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, OUR WORST, MOST EXTREME HEAT IS HAPPENING, UH, IN A PLACE WHERE IT REALLY AFFECTS OUR BEHAVIOR AND THE WAY WE GET AROUND AND EXPERIENCE THE CITY.

UM, THE THESE IMPACTS ARE REALLY, UM, NOT EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED.

UM, UH, LOW INCOME AND VULNER MORE VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES OFTENTIMES ARE, ARE MORE IMPACTED.

UM, AND, AND THIS IS PARTIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S FEWER TREES ON THE EAST SIDE AND, AND PLACES WHERE THAT ARE HISTORICALLY, UM, UNDER INVESTED.

UM, AND, BUT, UH, BUT ALSO COMMUNITIES THAT, UM, MAY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LIVING IN OLDER HOMES AND HAVE LESS INSULATION, MAYBE RELYING ON HOME BUSINESSES AND EVERYTHING FOR, FOR ECONOMIC, UM, UH, STABILITY ARE, ARE KIND OF EXPERIENCING THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN MAYBE PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DRIVING THEIR TESLA TO THEIR OFFICE BUILDING AND NOT EVER GOING OUTSIDE.

UM, IT'S JUST A KIND OF A WAY TO CHARACTERIZE THIS.

UM, SO THE, THE HEAT ISLAND IS REALLY FOCUSED ON OUR STREET, BUT LUCKILY WE HAVE THIS AMAZING TOOL CALLED THE STREET TREE THAT ACT.

IT PROVIDES SHADE, IT PROTECTS US FROM VEHICLES.

IT ALSO ACTS AS A NATURAL SWAMP COOLER, UH, ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALK, UH, PRODUCING, YOU KNOW, UP TO 10

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DEGREES OF COOLING BESIDE THE SHADE.

UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF LIKE THROUGH EVAPOTRANSPIRATION.

SO, UM, IT'S THIS AMAZING TOOL THAT WE'RE KIND OF LEAVING ON THE TABLE, UM, IN SOME WAYS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT AND CLIMATE CHANGE ARE REALLY BIG ISSUES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE COMING UP TO IN AUSTIN, BUT WE'RE ALSO COMING INTO A FUTURE, UH, UH, THAT'S MORE DENSE, UH, ONE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO LIKELY BE TRADING BACKYARDS, UM, AND SOME OF OUR SHADY PRIVATE SPACES, UH, FOR A MORE URBAN FUTURE WHERE WE'RE ACCOMMODATING MORE PEOPLE ON A SINGLE LOT.

AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE AND REPLACE THOSE ECOLOGICAL SERVICES.

UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, LET'S SEE HERE.

RIGHT NOW WE ACTUALLY, UH, RELY, OUR URBAN CANOPY IS PREDOMINANTLY ON THE WEST SIDE.

UM, AND WE RELY ON, UM, ON PRIVATE YARDS.

UH, WE ALSO RELY ON CONSERVATION AREAS.

UM, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AS YARDS AND, UM, LIVING ON THE WEST SIDE BECOME LUXURY, YOU KNOW, FURTHER AND FURTHER BECOME LUXURY ITEMS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES ARE, ARE EQUALLY DIS DISTRIBUTED AND PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, THE VALUE THEY PROVIDE.

AND, AND THAT ESPECIALLY IS PERTINENT TO URBAN TRANSPORTATION.

UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, MAKING BIKING AND WALKING, UH, AND TRANS AND TRANSIT VIABLE.

UM, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF STREET TREES, UH, A LEGACY OF STREET TREES, UM, IN AUSTIN, LIKE THEY DO IN SOME PLACES IN, LET'S SAY THE, YOU KNOW, THE, EVEN THE MIDWEST, UM, THE, THE EAST AND, AND A LOT OF WESTERN CITY, UM, UH, WEST COAST CITIES, UM, WE, WE STILL WITH PUBLIC PROJECTS SEE A LOT OF, UH, ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE DESIRED COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT THE PUBLIC IS CALLING FOR IS STREET TREES.

IT'S LIKE WE, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR US, EVEN IF WE, WE AREN'T VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE REALLY KIND OF OUTLINED A LOT OF THE, THE BENEFITS AND KIND OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING STREET TREES AS A, AS A REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, AN IMPORTANT, UH, PART OF THE SOLUTION.

UM, WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY WHY AREN'T, WHY AREN'T WE GETTING THIS? WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS? AND IT WAS, IT WAS INCREDIBLY DEEP.

THE, THERE ARE HUGE NUMBER OF BARRIERS, BUT I'VE KIND OF BOILED THEM DOWN TO THESE FOUR CATEGORIES.

UM, LEADERSHIP, UM, YOU KNOW, NOBODY IS REALLY, NOBODY IN CITY GOVERNMENT IS REALLY THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF STREET TREES.

UM, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ENGINEERS FOR UTILITIES.

WE HAVE ENGINEERS FOR TRANSPORTATION.

UH, WE HAVE EVEN ARBORISTS, BUT MOSTLY THEY'RE LOOKING AT TREE PROTECTIONS, TREE MITIGATION.

THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY LOOKING ABOUT, UH, LOOKING INTO, UH, MAKING SURE WE HAVE STREET TREES IN OUR STREETS, UM, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS.

THIS ONE, THIS ONE I COULD GO ON FOREVER ABOUT.

UM, BUT, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET INTO IT IN FURTHER SLIDES.

SO THE RULE, BOTH THE CRITERIA MANUALS, THE ADMINISTRATIVE RULES AND THE ZONING, THE REGULATIONS, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE NOT REALLY, UM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY REQUIRING TREES.

AND OFTENTIMES THEY'RE GETTING IN THE WAY OF, OF TREES PRO, UH, PROVIDING EXTRA FRICTION TO PERMITTING TREES.

UM, AND THEN THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS ESPECIALLY DISRUPTIVE.

UM, THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT TEAMS THAT REALLY SEE VALUE IN STREET TREES.

UM, THERE ARE PUBLIC PROJECT, UM, TRANSPORTATION TEAMS THAT ARE GOING IN AND TRYING TO DO STREET DESIGNS WITH STREET TREES IN IT.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE RUNNING UP TO A LOT OF CHALLENGES, UM, BOTH IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR PRIVATE PROJECTS.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, UM, HAVE A LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR STREET TREES.

AND I'LL GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

BUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS ESSENTIALLY WHEN DEVELOPMENT TEAMS UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRO THE LICENSE AGREEMENT PROCESS IS, AND THE DEBT AND THE KIND OF, UM, THE, THE BARRIER THAT THAT IS, OFTENTIMES THEY WILL, THEY WILL STOP PURSUING STREET TREES AND, AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, FIND OTHER WAYS TO PUT TREES ON, ON THEIR SITE OR, OR PAY FEE.

UM, STREET TREES CAN BE EXPENSIVE.

UM, WE ARE DEALING WITH QUITE, UM, UH, COMPLEX ENVIRONMENTS, CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENTS WITH A LOT OF UTILITIES, A LOT OF, LIKE, WE SAW A LOT OF AGENCIES HAVE INTEREST IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF FUNCTIONS, A LOT OF USES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND SO MOVING UTILITIES CAN BE REALLY EXPENSIVE, BUT, UM, BUT ALSO PLANTING IN REALLY CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENTS CAN BE EXPENSIVE WHERE THERE ISN'T A LOT OF SOIL AVAILABLE, UM, THAT ISN'T COMPACTED UNDER A SIDEWALK, UNDER A STREET, ET CETERA.

UM, SO REALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILT OUTCOME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GO IN, IN OUR, OUR MOBILITY PROJECTS A LOT OF TIMES, AND WE'RE, WE HAVE A GREAT VISION.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, TREES IN THE MEDIA, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROTECTED BIKE LANES.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIDEWALK.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, TREES SHADING BOTH THE BIKE, THE BIKE LANE, AND THE SIDEWALK.

BUT IN THE END, WHEN WE GET THEM BUILT, OFTENTIMES THEY LOOK LIKE THIS, UM, UH, REALLY SAD PATCH OF WEEDS BETWEEN THE, THE TRAIL AND THE, AND THE STREET.

UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THIS ONE, THIS ONE PARTICULAR WAS I THINK, A TEXT STOP ROADWAY.

UM, AND SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S EXTRA BARRIERS, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO CLEAR ZONES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH TXDOT.

UM, AND SO THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, IS A PARTICULAR CASE, BUT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE, ESPECIALLY EARLY ROLLOUT

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OF THE MOBILITY BOND PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN VERY SIMILAR TO THIS BECAUSE OF THESE BARRIERS.

UM, AND KIND OF THE, THE, UM, EXCEPTION THAT, THAT, UH, WHAT, HOW'S THAT, THAT THAT PHRASE GO, THE EXCEPTION THAT PROVES THE RULE.

THERE WE GO.

UM, IS, YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLICLY, YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLIC PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO, UM, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS LIKE MUELLER, WHERE THE, THE CITY HAS A HUGE STAKE IN WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING THERE.

WE'RE ABLE TO, THROUGH A PUD PROCESS, GET SOME STREET TREES.

UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY RARE, AND IT WAS VERY COMPLICATED.

UM, MY COLLEAGUE JANA THAT'S WORKING ON THIS INITIATIVE, UH, WORKED ON MUELLER AND CAN ATTEST TO KIND OF THE, THE COMPLICATED NATURE OF GETTING STREET TREES APPROVED.

AND FOR A FEW MONTHS, UM, LAST SUMMER, I WAS, YOU KNOW, I WAS DOING A LOT OF INTERVIEWS AS PART OF THIS RESEARCH, AND I FINDING, UM, THAT THERE WERE PROJECTS IN MUELLER THAT WERE BEING DENIED STREET TREES BECAUSE THE CRITERIA MANUALS HAD ACTUALLY CHANGED, UM, UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ESTABLISHED, UH, IN THE POD THIS WAY.

SO IT'S, IT'S THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING A CONSISTENT STREET, UH, STREET, STREET CANOPY IS QUITE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE BARRIERS THAT WE'VE PUT INTO PLACE AND, AND WE HAVE OVERCOME THEM IN TIMES, AND THEN WE KEEP GETTING IN OUR, IN OUR OWN WAY.

UM, IN, IN, UH, COLONY PARK, FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR STREET SECTIONS AND, AND THEIR UTILITY ALIGNMENTS, THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO TAKE IT.

I THINK THEY, THEY TOOK IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CITY MANAGER, UH, IN ORDER TO GET COMPROMISE, UM, AND BE ABLE TO FIND AN ALIGNMENT OF UTILITIES THAT, THAT COULD WORK AND HAVE STREET TREES AND NOT HAVE 20 FOOT SETBACKS.

UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS KIND OF A, IT'S A STREET SECTION THAT REALLY KIND OF EPITOMIZES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITHIN OUR URBAN STREETS IS MAKE THEM PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, WALKABLE BIKE, YOU KNOW, BIKEABLE, UM, AND SHADED.

AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, NOT SUBURBAN SETBACKS.

WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET HOUSING AS WELL.

UM, SO I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THESE BULLETS, BUT THE LACK OF LEADERSHIP, UM, REALLY THERE, THERE HASN'T HISTORICALLY BEEN SOMEONE IDENTIFIED THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR RESOLVING CONFLICT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO OFTENTIMES IT IS THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT MANAGER OF WHOEVER'S TRYING TO DESIGN AND APPROVE, UH, A PROJECT TO, UH, TO GET APPROVAL EVEN WHEN THEY'RE CONFLICTING, UH, FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA.

AND SO, UM, I CAN, I CAN TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THIS IN A LITTLE, IN A MOMENT.

BUT, UM, IN OTHER CITIES, UH, NEW YORK, BOSTON, UM, EVEN IN SOME, IN SOME FORM PORTLAND, UH, CINCINNATI, EVEN THERE HAVE BEEN POSITIONS OR EVEN OFFICES CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS REASON, BECAUSE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAYS ARE COMPLEX AND THEY NEED SOMEONE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO NEGOTIATE EVERYTHING, HOW TO, HOW TO OPTIMIZE OUR RIGHT OF WAY FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT RATHER THAN, UH, LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR THINKING.

UM, UH, GENERALLY, STREET TREES, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS PROCESS IN AUSTIN, HAVE NOT BEEN TREATED AS CRITICAL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, AND, UM, AND, AND GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT EX, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL TO AUSTIN THAT WE HAVE DEPARTMENTAL SILOS.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, AND THIS IS, ESPECIALLY IN MEDIUM TO LARGE CITIES, DEPARTMENTAL SILOS ARE THE NORM.

UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO TOOLS TO GET OVER THOSE.

UH, SOME OF THEM ARE LEADERSHIP TOOLS AND SOME OF THEM ARE COLLABORATION TOOLS.

UM, BUT, UH, GENERALLY OUR DEPARTMENTAL SILOS ARE KIND OF DIGGING OUR, YOU KNOW, DIGGING US DEEPER INTO THIS.

OUR CRITERIA MANUALS ARE, ARE REPRESENTING THAT DEPARTMENTAL SILO, UM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADVERSE TO CHANGE BECAUSE THEY'RE ADVERSE TO RISK.

UM, A LOT OF, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT'S GOING INTO HOW RISKY STREET TREES ARE.

THERE'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE EXPERIENCED A STREET TREE, GOT INTO A PIPE ONE TIME.

UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY A QUANTITATIVE, UH, SORT OF ANALYTICAL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW RISKY IT IS.

IT, IS IT, DO WE EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF TREE CAUSES PROBLEMS? WHAT WAS THE CONDITION? IT'S REALLY JUST, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF GUT REACTION.

AND, AND THE ANSWER IS USUALLY NO.

UM, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THESE DEPARTMENTAL SILOS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN STREET TREES.

THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THEIR SPECIFIC, UH, UTILITY OR TRANSPORTATION, ET CETERA.

UM, SO ONE OF THE MOST BASIC BARRIERS TO STREET TREES IS WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM, FOR THE MOST PART.

UM, THERE'S ABOUT 3% OF THE STREETS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRED.

UM, AND ABOUT ANOTHER 1% ISH WHERE THEY'RE INCENTIVIZED.

UM, EVEN DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED.

IT'S PART OF THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM.

SO ONLY WHEN YOU OPT INTO THAT ARE YOU REQUIRED TO PUT IN STREET TREES.

AND EVEN THERE, I'M ON THE DESIGN COMMISSION NOW, WE SEE A LOT OF THESE DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS.

A LOT OF THEM ONLY HAVE STREET TREES ON 50% OF THEIR FRONTAGE BECAUSE OF UTILITY BARRIERS.

UM, SO EVEN WHERE IT IS REQUIRED, WE'RE NOT GETTING TRUE STREET TREE CANOPIES.

UM, ALSO ON, UM, CORE TRANSPORTATION, UH, CORRIDORS WHERE THEY ARE REQUIRED, UM, IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO GET RELIEF FROM THAT REQUIREMENT TO ACTUALLY COMPLY.

SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH ALTERNATIVE EQUIVALENT COMPLIANCE.

UH, AND GENERALLY THE, THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU MEET, MEET THE INTENT OF THE RULE, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FINE.

AND WE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

UH, THE THING IS THAT THERE IS NO INTENT

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EXPLICIT ABOUT WHAT STREET TREES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

IT'S ABOUT THE ENTIRE KIND OF SITE DEVELOPMENT, UM, RULES ASSOCIATED WITH SUBCHAPTER E AND WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS IS PEOPLE ASSUME IT'S SHADE.

YOU CAN PROVIDE SHADE HOWEVER YOU WANT.

WE'RE GOOD.

WE DON'T NEED THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.

WE, WE, UH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE EVAPOTRANSPIRATION, UM, TRANSPIRATION.

WE DON'T NEED THE PROTECTION FROM, UH, FROM CARS.

UM, SO, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CHALLENGE.

UM, ALSO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT.

UM, THIS ISN'T A REGULATION, THIS IS A RULE IN THE CRITER, THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL, UM, THAT, UH, ON LEVEL TWO AND, UH, HIGHER STREETS, THAT STREET TREES ARE REQUIRED.

THE THING IS, IT'S A CRITERIA MANUAL AND NOT A REGULATION.

SO APPLICABILITY AND ALL SORTS OF, AND, AND, AND WHEN STREET TREES NEED TO BE PROVIDED AND BY WHOM IS NOT ESTABLISHED, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE RULES, THEY'RE NOT REALLY WRITTEN LIKE THAT.

UM, AND SO, SO WE REALLY, WE HAVE SOME RULES ON THE BOOKS, BUT THEY'RE NOT VERY COMPREHENSIVE.

UM, OTHER PLACES LIKE PORTLAND, SEATTLE, THEY REQUIRE STREET TREES ON EVERY STREET FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT, UM, UH, INCLUDING INDUSTRIAL, SINGLE FAMILY DOESN'T MATTER.

UH, AND, UM, AND IN FACT, IN PORTLAND, THEY REQUIRE STREET TREES.

ONCE YOU'VE SPENT 20 THOU $20,000, SO YOU GO AND YOU FIX YOUR BATHROOM, PUT IN STREET TREES, , THEY, THEY ARE, UM, THEY ARE CHANGING THIS BECAUSE THEY, THEY REALIZE THAT INFLATION, UH, IT MAKES THIS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS.

UM, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT, BUT THERE'S CLEARLY A PROPER TRIGGER FOR THIS SORT OF THING, AND WE CAN DO IT.

UM, OTHER PLACES HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE REGULATIONS APPLY TO PUBLIC PROJECTS THE SAME AS THEY DO PRIVATE.

BUT, UM, BUT THE REGULATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE GENERALLY ONLY APPLY TO PUB, UH, TO PRIVATE PROJECTS.

SO MOST OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT IN STREET TREES, UM, PUBLIC PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE VERTICAL IN NATURE SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH, THEY'LL HAVE TO, THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY TO THE SAME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR, OUR MOBILITY PROJECTS AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NOT AN, UH, REQUIREMENT, UH, UM, TO PUT IN STREET TREES.

THERE IS OFTEN AN EFFORT TO PUT IN STREET TREES AND, UM, TO VARYING DEGREES OF SUCCESS, UH, TO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES THAT'LL GO OVER IN A MOMENT AS WELL.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR STANDARD FOR OUR SIDEWALK PROJECT, UM, OUR SIDE FOR OUR SIDEWALK PROJECTS IS TO PUT THE SIDEWALK ON THE CURB.

UM, THIS IS BECAUSE IT HAS THE FEWEST BARRIERS, FEWEST CONFLICTS.

UM, BUT IT ALSO, UM, IF ANYONE, IF YOU HAVE EVER WALKED ON ONE OF THESE SIDEWALKS, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THEY'RE ALSO THE WORST SIDEWALK FOR WALKING.

UM, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE PRODUCTIONS.

OFTENTIMES, THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ML EAST, MLK, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS ONE OF THESE SIDEWALKS THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE NARROWER, NARROWER THAN THIS, UM, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET WITH CARS FREQUENTLY GOING BY AT 45, 50 MILES AN HOUR, INCLUDING BUSES.

UM, AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THIS SORT OF IS, THIS IS A, A, A MASSIVE ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE PUSHING STROLLERS, PEOPLE, UH, EL ELDERLY PEOPLE, PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN IMP ANYONE WITH A DOG OR ANYONE, ANYTHING ELSE WITH IMPULSE CONTROL, LIKE THE, YOU'RE SIX INCHES AWAY FROM DEATH, UM, AND ACCIDENTS HAPPEN.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S QUITE DANGEROUS.

UM, UH, AND, AND ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS, UM, OUR MOBILITY BOND FUNDED PROJECTS WERE ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED TO INCLUDE FUNDING FOR STREET TREES IN THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED MOBILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A STATE ISSUE.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO COME BACK AND, AND PLAN FOR THEM AND, UM, AND FUND THEM ELSEWHERE OTHERWISE.

UM, OKAY.

SO, UH, THE, THE CRITERIA MANUALS, I, I'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THE, THE DEPARTMENTAL SILO, UM, SILOS, BUT GENERALLY THE CRITERIA MANUALS ARE A REPRESENTATION OF THOSE.

THE, THEY EACH, UH, UTILITY DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THEIR OWN, UH, CRITERIA MANUALS.

AND THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO IMPLEMENT THE CODE.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.

UM, BUT, UH, GENERALLY THESE ARE, THESE ARE PROTECTING, UH, THE INTEREST OF THE DEPARTMENT RATHER THAN A HOLISTIC PERSPECTIVE ON OPTIMIZING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND, AND, AND OVERALL BENEFITS TO MOBILITY, TO LIVABILITY, ET CETERA.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE CONVENIENCE OF SERVICING THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE WATER ELECTRIC UTILITY, ET CETERA.

UM, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES THERE.

UM, BUT THERE, THERE, HA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THE TARP, UM, IT'S THE TECHNICAL TECHNICAL ADVISORY REVIEW PANEL IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING NEW CRITERIA, MANUAL RULES FOR COMPATIBILITY WITH COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND, AND, UM, AND PLANNING POLICY, ET CETERA.

SO, UM, THERE IS, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS TO HELP WITH THIS NOW, BUT NOW OUR CRITERIA MANUALS HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED IN THIS WAY IN THE PAST, AND WE STILL ARE, ARE LEARNING HOW THE TARP IS GONNA FUNCTION.

UH, I'M ON THE TARP, UM, AND I'M, I'M STILL FIGURING IT OUT.

UM, SO YEAH, SO THE, THE REAL TRICK WITH THESE CRITERIA MANUAL RULES IS, IS THAT ONCE YOU ARE, THEY, THEY, THEIR RULES ARE NOT REGULATIONS.

SO YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM TO THE LETTER.

IT'S MORE, UM, UP TO THE DEPARTMENTAL REVIEWER TO SAY WHETHER IT'S OKAY OR NOT.

UM, AND, AND THE DEPARTMENTAL REVIEWERS ARE VERY SILOED IN, IN, IN WHAT THEIR INTERESTS ARE.

UM, AND SO WE

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OFTEN GET A NO.

UM, BUT THESE, OVER, OVER THE YEARS, THESE CRITERIA, MANUAL STANDARDS, ESPECIALLY SEPARATION OF STREET TREES FROM WATER LINES, SEWER LINES, ELECTRIC LINES, HAVE, HAVE INCREASED.

UH, SO IN THE NINETIES, AND AS IS COMMON IN, IN MOST OTHER, UH, CITIES THAT I'VE RESEARCHED, THE SEPARATION STANDARD IS ABOUT FIVE FEET.

MOST CITIES DON'T EVEN REQUIRE A ROOT BARRIER.

OURS IS NINE FEET AND INCLUDES A ROOT BARRIER BARRIER.

AND YOU CAN SEE THIS DIAGRAM, THIS WAS DONE BY DWG.

UM, WE ACTUALLY REQUIRE A ROOT BARRIER ALL THE WAY AROUND THE, THE TREES ROOTS THAT BOXES THEM IN AND ELIMINATES THEIR ABILITY TO, TO GET PROPER SOIL VOLUME.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY REDUCING THE HEALTH OF OUR TREES.

UM, UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE, THE CONCRETE AND THE UTILITIES.

BUT, UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A WHOLE LOT BETTER WAYS TO DO IT.

AND I HAVE A SLIDE A BIT LATER ABOUT THAT.

UM, UH, SO WHEN, WHEN THESE RULES HAVE BEEN INFLATED, THAT MEANS THAT MORE AND MORE TREES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE, ARE BEING LOOKED AT AND NEED WAIVERS IN ORDER TO BE APPROVED, ESSENTIALLY.

UM, AND SO THAT CASE BY CASE DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW REALLY IS A, IS A MASSIVE DISINCENTIVE.

USUALLY THE ANSWER IS NO.

UM, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT, YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT CHANGES TO YOUR SITE PLAN IN ORDER TO GET A, GET IT APPROVED.

AND SO THE CASE BY CASE DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW IS REALLY A, A BARRIER TO, TO ANYONE WANTING TO INCLUDE ANY STREET TREES IN THEIR, IN THEIR, UM, SITE PLAN.

UM, ALSO THE CRITERIA MANUALS, UM, THEY ARE WRITTEN RELATIVELY VAGUE.

THEY REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF DISCRETION, AND SO PREDICTABILITY IS QUITE BAD.

UM, AND THIS COMES UP IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

AND SO THE LICENSE AGREEMENT REQUIREMENT IS, IS ACTUALLY, UM, THIS IS WHERE IT SHOWS UP KIND OF THE MOST, UH, BRUTALLY.

UM, SO THE LICENSE AGREEMENT PROCESS IS ACTUALLY DUPLICATIVE OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.

THEY HAVE THE SAME, UH, THERE'S ABOUT 40 DIFFERENT REVIEWS THAT A, A TREE UNDERGOES BY 20 DIFFERENT AGENCIES.

UM, AND THEN THAT HAPPENS AGAIN IN THE LICENSE AGREEMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES AS FAR AS LIKE KIND OF DUPLICATION, BUT WHAT'S WORSE IS IF THE REVIEWER, UH, FOR YOUR LICENSE AGREEMENT TAKES A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION THAN THE REVIEWER FOR THE SITE PLAN, UH, YOU ACTUALLY RISK YOUR SITE PLAN, UM, APPROVAL IN ORDER TO GET THE STREET TREE.

SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BARRIER.

UM, GENERALLY THESE THINGS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RISKY.

THEY TAKE UP TO TWO YEARS.

UM, AND, AND IT'S, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF THE ULTIMATE BARRIER TO, EVEN IF SOMEONE'S WELL FUNDED AND REALLY WANTS THESE THINGS, THEY'RE STILL NOT GONNA DO IT.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE LICENSE AGREEMENT, WHY WE HAVE IT, UM, THE WAY THAT I'VE EXPLAINED IT, AND, AND, AND I'M SURE LEGAL HAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TAKE ON THIS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF LEGAL GYMNASTICS TO GET AROUND OUR STATUS QUO AS FAR AS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR STREET TREES, UM, GENERALLY, UH, PUBLIC WORKS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC TREES.

THOSE ARE TREES THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO ASK FOR THE TREE, THE CITY, YOU KNOW, SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT A TREE, UM, PROVIDE US A TREE.

IT'S STILL YOUR TREE.

UM, SO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE MEETS AND BOUNDS OF WHERE ON OUR PUBLIC LAND, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND THEN WE WANT, UM, COMMERCIAL LIABILITY INSURANCE IN CASE SOMEONE HITS THAT TREE WITH THEIR CAR OR A LIMB FALLS ON, ON A CAR, UM, OR SOMEONE TRIPS.

UM, THEY WANT, THEY WANT YOU TO COVER THAT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, GENERALLY THEY WANT, THEY WANT, UM, SOME, A LEGAL CONTRACT THAT MAKES THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE, UM, OF THE TREE AND IRRIGATION.

UM, THE WAY THAT OTHER CITIES DO THIS IS IN THEIR MUNICIPAL CODE.

IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BUDDING PROPERTY OWNER TO MAINTAIN THIS.

AND SO IT'S THE, THE BASELINE REGULATION IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING TO THROUGH OUR, OUR LEGAL GYMNASTICS.

UM, AND SO, BUT THERE'S, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A FEW OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE, THAT I'VE FOUND WHERE THE CITY TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE AND LIABILITY OF THE, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE STREET TREE.

UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ABUNDANT STREET TREES.

IT'S, IT'S USUALLY IF YOU HAVE STREET TREES, IT'S THE PRIVATE, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY'S RESPONSIBILITY.

UM, SO, UH, PART OF THIS ISSUE AND WHY WE HAVE LICENSE AGREEMENT IS THAT TREES ARE CONSIDERED NON-STANDARD ITEMS. THEY'RE UNIQUE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS A SPECIAL THING EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY COME IN.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE IT STANDARDIZED, LIKE A DRIVEWAY, A DRIVEWAY.

WE HAVE A TYPE ONE, WE'VE GOT A TYPE TWO, UM, AND YOU, YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME YOU'RE GONNA, THIS IS A TYPE TWO DRIVEWAY.

WE'RE GONNA DESIGN IT AND INSTALL IT JUST LIKE THAT.

IT'S ALREADY PRE-APPROVED.

IT'S FINE.

WE DON'T NEED TO GO TALK TO, UH, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IN ORDER TO GET APPROVAL ON THIS DRIVEWAY.

UM, YOU CAN DO THAT WITH STREET TREES.

UH, YOU, UH, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME COMPLEXITY.

OBVIOUSLY, HOW THEY INTERACT WITH UTILITIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT THING.

UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AND HAS BEEN DONE, UH, AND IT CAN ELIMINATE THAT CASE BY CASE REVIEW AND REALLY STREAMLINE THE PROCESS IN GENERAL, MAKE IT AS EASY AS A DRIVEWAY, THEORETICALLY, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE HARDER.

BUT, UM, SO, UH, COST CAN BE A BARRIER.

UM, UH, GENERALLY THE COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH MOVING UTILITIES.

AND SO IF WE CAN MANAGE OUR UTILITIES, BUT THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE, UH, TO PRESERVE THE PLANTING ZONE FOR TREES, THEN THIS BECOMES LESS OF

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A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF STREETS WHERE WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED, UM, TREES, UH, IN OUR, OUT OUR LAYOUT OF OUR UTILITIES.

AND SO THERE'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE THIS, BUT AS WE REBUILD OUR STREETS, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE BUILD THEM SO THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE STREET TREES.

UM, SO THE MOVING UTILITIES IS THE BIGGEST COST, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF OUR MASSIVE PERMITTING KIND OF FRICTION, UH, YOU HAVE TO HIRE, UH, YOU HAVE TO HIRE A CIVIL ENGINEER TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS PROCESS.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT AN, UM, ANYBODY CAN DO OFF THE STREET.

IT'S, IT TAKES SOME, UM, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, UH, TO GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

AND SO REMOVING THAT WOULD, WOULD ALSO HAVE BENEFITS TO COST.

UM, THE ACTUAL COST OF THE TREE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A LARGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OR A PUBLIC, UH, MOBILITY PROJECT IS, IS RELATIVELY SMALL.

IT'S, IT'S NEGLIGIBLE IN THE OVERALL COST.

UM, OBVIOUSLY IT STILL COSTS MONEY.

UM, AND SOME PROJECTS, UH, LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PERHAPS UTOD PROJECTS THAT ARE PRO, UH, PROVIDING SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT COST A LOT OF MONEY, THESE ARE GONNA BE MORE SENSITIVE TO DEVELOPMENT COSTS, AND PERHAPS WE NEED TO FIND SOME FUNDS TO HELP PAY FOR THESE SORT OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PUBLIC REALM.

UM, THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR THAT.

I MEAN, DSD ACTUALLY HAS A TREE MITIGATION FUND THAT EVERY TIME SOMEBODY CHOPS DOWN A TREE AND CAN'T REPLACE IT, UH, THEY'RE PAYING INTO A A, A FUND.

AND, AND RIGHT NOW THERE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S PLANS FOR A LOT OF THAT MONEY.

UM, IT JUST, IT KEEPS BUILDING AND AS WE ARE DENSIFY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE FUNDS.

AND, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GREAT SOURCE.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF KINDA SMALLER OPTIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A, UH, CLIMATE BOND, UM, WHICH SEEMS LIKE THE GREAT, A GREAT PAIRING FOR MOBILITY BONDS THAT COULDN'T AFFORD STREET TREES.

UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES.

I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, UH, BUT, BUT GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO THESE, UM, FOR, FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT, UM, CAN'T AFFORD THESE OR, OR AREAS WHERE IT'S A REALLY, REALLY HIGH PRIORITY AROUND TRANSIT AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO THE GREEN STREETS INITIATIVE, GENERALLY OUR STRATEGY HAS BEEN TO BUILD A REALLY BIG COALITION OF INDUSTRY ORGANIZATIONS, UM, AND EQUITY, ENVIRONMENTAL AND MOBILITY ADVOCATES.

UM, AND WE'VE DONE THAT PRETTY SUCCESSFULLY.

UM, SO WE'VE GOT A, A, A BIG GROUP OF PEOPLE ON OUR LISTSERV, AND EVERYBODY'S REALLY THRILLED ABOUT THIS WORK.

UM, I AND MY TEAM AT URBAN BENDIN HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A, UM, TECHNICAL REPORT TO DOCUMENT THESE, BAR THESE BARRIERS AND, UH, HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO HELP STAFF AS THEY'RE ADDRESSING THEM.

UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO COLLABORATE WITH, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

UM, WE WORKED WITH LESLIE POOLE'S OFFICE, AND JUST TWO WEEKS AGO WE GOT A, UH, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE RESOLUTION, UH, UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED, UM, BY THE TIME IT, UH, THANK YOU.

UM, WE HAD SEVEN SPONSORS, UH, WITH TWO BEING ADDED ON THE, ON THE DAAS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE DAAS, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST STEP TO EXPLORING A LOT OF THIS.

UM, AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, NOW THAT THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED, THE, UM, CITY MANAGER'S BEEN ASKED TO ESSENTIALLY DRAFT A, UH, RIGHT OF WAY DESIGN AND MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, THAT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT EXPLORATIONS IN IT.

YOU, YOU CAN READ THE, UM, THE RESOLUTION LANGUAGE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, SOME NEWS COVERAGE, UH, THAT YOU CAN GET TO, UH, BOTH OF THEM BY MY, UM, BY THE URBAN AND WISE WEBSITE.

UM, UH, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IS I'M, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS THROUGH THE TARP.

UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE A, A SMALL KIND OF SUBSET OF THE, THE TARP TO WORK AS A WORKING GROUP, CROSS-DISCIPLINARY WITH, UM, CITY DEPARTMENTS AND, UM, AND, UM, PRACTITIONERS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET REALLY GOOD, SOLID TECHNICAL ANSWERS AND, UH, TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW ZONING CODE, UH, RULES, THE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE CRITERIA, MANUAL RULES, AND THE NEW PROCESSES THAT THAT STAFF PROPOSES ARE REALLY GONNA WORK AND, AND, AND HAVE THE OUTCOMES THAT WE WANT.

UM, AND SO SEPTEMBER 19TH IS WHEN, UH, UM, STAFF OR COUNCIL HAS ASKED THE SEA MANAGER TO COME BACK AND PRESENT A TIMELINE FOR, UM, FOR NEW CODE AMENDMENTS, UH, RULE, UM, CRITERIA, MANUAL, UH, CHANGES AND PROCESS CHANGES.

SO WE'LL BE ENGAGED IN IT ALONG THE WAY.

UM, I REALLY WANTED, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.

SO THIS IS KIND OF JUST A BULLET POINT OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, OUR GOALS THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS JUST TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE CHALLENGES.

WE, WE FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS PUBLIC REALM OFFICER, A LEADER IN THE, IN THE, UM, URBAN DESIGN IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR RESOLVING CONFLICTS.

BUT PUBLIC WORKS COULD BE THAT, UM, IN FACT, A COUNCIL HAS ASKED IN THEIR RESOLUTION OR HAS CLARIFIED IN THEIR RESOLUTION LANGUAGE THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, CLAR TO, FOR RESOLVING CONFLICTS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S, UM, IT'S A REALLY GOOD FIRST STEP TO GETTING THIS LEADERSHIP THAT WE NEED AND, AND THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE, UM, PROVIDING, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT ADDITIONAL, UM, RESOURCES THEY MIGHT NEED TO DO THAT JOB.

GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION.

I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

I'M GONNA KICK US OFF.

I HAVE, UM, THREE, ONE IS MORE OF A COMMENT FOR YOU.

SO,

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UM, AT THE LAST, UM, PROJECT CONNECT COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH I, UM, I ALSO SERVE ON, AND ACTUALLY RUBEN BROOKS, WHO'S WITH US ONLINE, IS ALSO ON THAT COMMITTEE.

WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE URBAN STREET DESIGN TEAM THAT'S WORKING ON THE, UM, STATION AND URBAN DESIGN RELATING TO THE RAIL LINES.

AND THEY SHARED, I MEAN, THIS IS A TEAM, THIS IS ALL THEY DO FOR DIFFERENT CITIES, IS STUDY URBAN DESIGN.

AND THEY SAID THAT ONE OF THE REALLY SURPRISING THINGS THAT THEY FOUND IN AUSTIN THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN ANYWHERE ELSE THEY'VE WORKED WAS HOW MUCH PEOPLE RESPONDED ON SHADE, HOW MUCH PEOPLE WERE ASKING FOR SHADE WITH TRANSIT, UM, HOW MUCH PEOPLE WANTED TREES AND SHADE AROUND THE STATIONS AND THIS COOLING EFFECT.

AND THIS WAS LIKE ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS LIKE THIS IS DOESN'T, WE DON'T SEE THIS IN OTHER CITIES.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY NOTABLE.

IN FACT, I ALMOST GOT CHOKED UP IN THE MOMENT BECAUSE I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR SHADE, BETTER SHADE STRUCTURES AND TREES AROUND TRANSIT FOR A LONG TIME, AND LIKE, HAVE JUST FELT UNHEARD ON THAT.

AND SO I JUST THANK YOU ON YOUR ADVOCACY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU AND YOUR, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH COULD CONNECT WITH THE PROJECT CONNECT URBAN DESIGN TEAM, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A FRUITFUL, UH, MOMENT OF COLLABORATION FOR YOU.

SO JUST A SUGGESTION FOR YOU THERE.

SO, UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION THAT IS A QUESTION ACTUALLY RELATES TO THE MAINTENANCE AND ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.

SO I'M AWARE, UM, I'VE BEEN KIND OF INFORMALLY TRACKING, UM, INSTANCES WHERE DEVELOPMENTS WERE REQUIRED TO PUT IN SHADE TREES AND, UM, SOMETHING HAS GONE WRONG.

SO ONE, UM, I'M GONNA CALL PEOPLE OUT FROM THE DIOCESE AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT ONE OF THE GOOD EXAMPLES IS, UH, THE PROJECT CONNECT, UM, THE CRESTVIEW TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AROUND THE RED LINE STATION HAD STREET TREES THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE PUT ON ALONG LAMAR BOULEVARD.

AND THEY GREW FOR ABOUT FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.

AND THEN THEY WERE, THEY WERE ACTUALLY CUT DOWN.

THEY WERE REMOVED, WE ASSUME BY THE PROPERTY MANAGER OR THE DEVELOPER, I GUESS, OF THE PLACE.

I HAVEN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING WITH THIS.

I'VE BEEN STEWING ON WHAT TO DO WITH THIS FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW, ME AND A COUPLE, A COUPLE FRIENDS.

BUT LIKE, THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE, AND THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE VAGUE RESPONSIBILITY 'CAUSE IT'S NOT EXACTLY A DEVELOPMENT ALONG, UM, BY THE KRAMER REDLINE STATION.

THEY PUT IN SOME SIDEWALKS THAT RUN FROM ON THE, I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE OF KRAMER, BETWEEN THE REDLINE STATION AND BREAKER, AND THEY PUT IN STREET TREES THERE.

AND IT'S A LONG, I THINK IT'S AN AUSTIN ENERGY PROPERTY ACTUALLY THERE.

IT'S SORT OF NOT SPARSELY DEVELOPED.

IT'S LIKE A MAINTENANCE TYPE FACILITY FOR AUSTIN ENERGY, MAYBE SOME OFFICES.

UM, AND THOSE TREES HAVE LARGELY DIED, SO THERE'S SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE, DIED AND THEY KIND OF REROUTED AND THEY'RE KIND OF SHRUBBERY.

SOME OF THEM ARE JUST DEAD.

AND SO, LIKE, WHO, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE THERE? SO I THINK LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE BRINGING THESE THINGS TO ME IS HOW WHEN WE NOTICE THESE THINGS OF SOMEONE'S JUST CUT DOWN STREET RE TREES, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, OR SOMEONE'S NOT MAINTAINING THE STREET TREES TO THE POINT THAT THIS, UH, INVESTMENT HAS NOW DIED.

LIKE HOW DOES THE, HOW DOES THE PUBLIC RESOLVE THAT? WHO DO WE REPORT THAT TO? YEAH, I MEAN, I ACTUALLY, I'M NOT SURE IN AUSTIN, I THINK IT'S GENERALLY A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

UM, SO YOU COULD CALL CODE CODE ENFORCEMENT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE STREET TREES, THEY WERE ON CORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS.

UM, THAT THIS IS A REQUIREMENT, UM, OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, UH, OF THEIR LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL HAVE SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME CONTRACT IN THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE THAT SAYS THAT IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THEM, SO THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THAT CONTRACT IF THAT'S THE CASE.

UM, BUT I THINK GENERALLY I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE ISSUE IS THE, THE DETAILS, THE STANDARD DETAILS, HOW WE PLANT OUR TREES.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE VERY PROTECTIVE OF OUR UTILITIES AND WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH SOIL VOLUME.

TREES DO NOT SURVIVE WHEN THEY'RE IN POTS, UM, GENERALLY.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PUTTING TREES IN POTS IN THE SIDEWALK AND THEY DIE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A SOLUTION FOR WHERE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ARE A, A BIG CONFLICT AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PUT THE ROOTS DOWN THERE.

UM, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A M STATION, A A FOUNDATION, UM, COMMUNITIES PROJECT REALLY GREAT.

UM, THEY, THEIR TREES ARE IN POTS BECAUSE OF, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD GET THEM APPROVED.

AND THEY'RE ON MLK, WHICH IS A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR, AND THEY DIE ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY CONSTANTLY REPLACE THEM.

UM, IT'S JUST THE WAY WE PLANT OUR TREES HAS A BIG, A BIG, UH, IMPACT ON HOW THEY SURVIVE.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE THING.

BUT ALSO WHEN THE, WHEN WE HAVE NORMALIZED THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE STREET TREES, THEN PEOPLE HAVE THAT EXPECTATION.

RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S LIKE A ONE-OFF THING.

LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CODE VIOLATION, BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT PRIVATE CONTRACT IS WITH THE CITY.

UH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S EVERYONE, EVERY NEW DEVELOPMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY PROVIDES STREET TREES, THEN WE KNOW THEY CUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT A PUT A STREET TREE IN AND THEY DIDN'T, OR THEY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT IT IN A STREET TREE AND THEY DIDN'T MAINTAIN IT.

NOW EVERYBODY HAS AN EXPECTATION.

IT'S NORMALIZED.

YEAH.

ME, ME AND MY FRIEND THAT HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE CRESTVIEW ONE IN PARTICULAR HAVE, UM, LIKE TRIED TO FIGURE, LIKE WE, WE, EVERY TIME WE IT COMES UP, WE'RE LIKE, OH, WE NEED TO DIG INTO LIKE THE

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REGULATORY PLAN AND THE CONTRACT.

LIKE, IT GETS VERY FRUSTRATING.

SO MAYBE, MAYBE JUST CALLING CODE IS THE WAY TO GO.

UM, FINAL ONE FOR YOU.

SO, UM, AND THEN OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE QUESTIONS.

I, I, IT'S MORE OF JUST, YOU MAY HAVE SOME THINGS YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US NOW, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT AS IT DEVELOPS, YOU WANNA COME TO US, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME TIME HERE.

UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE ALL RECOGNIZE HOW SHADE AND, UM, STREET TREES SUPPORT TRANSPORTATION, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSIT USE IN OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY GOING FORWARD INTO OUR FUTURE.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT THIS BODY WOULD VERY LIKELY WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OFFER SOME SUGGESTIONS BEFORE THAT DECEMBER, SEPTEMBER 19TH DEADLINE.

IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC ASKS YOU HAVE FOR US NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD JUST INVITE YOU TO ESPECIALLY CONTACT ME OR ANY OF OUR COMMISSIONERS AND WE CAN, I MEAN, I THINK WE WOULD BE VERY EXCITED, I'M GUESSING, TO, TO, TO MAKE, MAKE A MOTION ON THIS AT SOME POINT.

SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA SHARE NOW, THAT'S FINE, BUT JUST, UM, PLEASE KEEPING THOSE LINES OPEN BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, I'M SURE LOVE TO DO MORE WITH AS WELL.

YEAH.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT, UH, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I MEAN, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL KICKING OFF THIS PROCESS WITH THE TARP, UM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT STAFF IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE TO RESPOND TO THIS RESOLUTION.

SO A LOT IS TO BE DETERMINED.

UM, BUT THERE INEVITABLY WILL BE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON WHATEVER STAFF BRINGS TO COUNCIL ON THE 19TH OF SEPTEMBER.

UM, I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, DO AS MUCH ANALYSIS AS PART, AS PART OF THE TARP AS PART OF, UM, THE GREEN STREETS INITIATIVE TO BRING THIS INFORMATION AROUND AND HELP PEOPLE RESPOND TO THAT.

UM, SECOND, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE A LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AT THE, THE GOALS OF THE GREEN STREETS INITIATIVE, UH, WE WOULD BE, UM, HONORED IF YOU GUYS WOULD SUPPORT THE GREEN STREETS INITIATIVE.

THIS IS, IT'S REALLY, IT'S NOT A GOVERNMENT, UH, INITIATIVE.

THIS IS, THIS IS PRIVATE.

IT'S JUST, IT'S A, ESSENTIALLY OUR CAMPAIGN THAT'S, WE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, THE UTC SUPPORTS THE GREEN STREETS INITIATIVE AND, AND OUR GOALS.

UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE GOALS TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THOSE.

BUT, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD TAKE ACTION ON IN THE, IN THE, UM, SHORT TERM TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME MORE, UM, SUPPORT FOR THESE SPECIFIC OUTCOMES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

I'LL SEE IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS.

LOOKS LIKE SPENCER DOES.

THANKS, CHAIR .

UM, SO, UM, FIRST I'M GLAD TO HAVE SOMEONE HERE FROM THE DESIGN COMMISSION 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF ON A LONELY ISLAND WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION.

YOU KNOW, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT WORK ON THESE ISSUES, BUT THE DESIGN COMMISSION VERY MUCH DOES, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO START, UM, BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP.

UM, MY, MY QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT THE TCM, I'M SURE YOU INVOLVED IN THE LAST TCM UPDATE.

UH, AND THAT WAS PROBABLY, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND WHERE STAFF WAS, WAS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR STREET TREES.

UM, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY PUSHBACK.

STAFF DISAGREED WITH THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN FOLKS' MOUTH, BUT I REMEMBER THE, THE TWO MAIN POINTS OF DISAGREEMENT BEING ONE, JUST THE IMPLICATIONS OF, OF TREES IN THE CLEAR ZONE AND THEN TWO RIGHT AWAY CONSTRAINTS IN TERMS OF, ALRIGHT, IF WE'RE INCLUDING A NEW BIKE LANE THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE, WE'RE EXPANDING THE SIDEWALK AND THERE MAY NOT BE ROOM FOR STREET TREES.

SO I'M CURIOUS IN YOUR RESEARCH, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE WAYS TO GET AROUND THAT? WELL, UM, THERE'S, IT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT I'VE BEEN ANALYZING IT HAS BEEN IN KIND OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

UM, WELL, BUT FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE TCM DOES CALL FOR STREET TREES ON LEVEL TWO AND HIGHER.

SO IT'S, IT'S THERE, IT'S JUST KIND OF, DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TEETH AT THE MOMENT.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVATE PROJECTS, THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN, UH, THE CITY'S ASKING FOR RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION.

UM, SO THESE ARE NOT CONSTRAINED RIGHTS OF WAY WHEN PRIVATE PROJECTS ARE COMING IN.

UM, OFTENTIMES THEY'RE NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, FULL BUILD OUT OF THEIR FUTURE, UM, STREET SECTION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR, UM, THAT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, OR THEY'RE GETTING IN AS A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT SO THAT THE CITY COULD THEN USE IT AND REDESIGN IT, HOW, HOW THEY'D LIKE.

UM, SO THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A CONSTRAINED RIGHT AWAY SITUATION WHEN IT'S PRIVATE, WHEN IT'S PUBLIC.

THERE CERTAINLY IS, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, GETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATING WITH EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER ALONG A CORRIDOR, UM, THAT CAN BE A PROJECT KILLER.

HONESTLY, IT CAN BE WAY TOO COSTLY.

IT CAN BE, UH, IT CAN REALLY DRAG ON THE TIMELINE.

SO PUBLIC PROJECTS DO DEAL WITH CONSTRAINED RIGHT AWAYS IN A, IN A WAY THAT PRIVATE PROJECTS DON'T DEAL WITH CONSTRAINED RIGHT OF AWAYS.

UM, AND SO REALLY THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS I, YOU KNOW, INEVITABLY THERE ARE GOING TO BE STREETS WHERE IN ORDER TO GET A BIKE LANE, WE CAN'T FIT STREET TREES.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO MANDATE.

SO THE DEFAULT IS WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA CONSIDER STREET TREES, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW THE DEFAULT IS NO STREET TREES, WE WANNA CHANGE IT.

SO THE DEFAULT IS STREET TREES AND YOU BETTER HAVE A GOOD REASON NOT TO.

UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING AT THE CITY, AT THE STAFF LEVEL REALLY WANT THESE TOO, RIGHT? THEY'RE RUNNING INTO THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS RUNNING INTO.

UM, AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, SADLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE STICKS, UH,

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IN GOVERNMENT, SOMETIMES WE HAVE CARROTS, BUT GENERALLY WE HAVE STICKS.

AND IF WE WANT STREET TREES, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NEED TO PROVIDE KIND OF DESIGN PARAMETERS FOR OUR RIGHT OF WAYS THAT PRIORITIZE CERTAIN THINGS OVER OTHERS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IN A CONDITION WHERE WE HAVE A PARKING LANE, WE MAY NEED TO SAY, WELL, YEAH, THE PARKING LANE IS A HUGE AMENITY.

WE NEED STREET PARKING, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GETTING RID OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR PRIVATE PARKING.

UM, BUT IS THAT MORE IMPORTANT THAN A STREET TREE? UM, WE CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY, WE CAN COMPROMISE ON THAT.

WE CAN, EVERY TWO PARKING SPACES YOU CAN PUT IN A STREET TREE.

UM, PORTLAND IS DOING THIS.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE PARKING LANE AS A, AS A RESOURCE.

BUT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS THAT ARE LANES ARE, ARE TOO WIDE.

THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR FULL RIGHT OF WAY, UH, ON PUBLIC PROJECTS.

UH, THE SIDEWALK PROJECTS, THEY'RE LEAVING, UH, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, 5, 10, 15 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY JUST LEFT AS NOT PART OF THE, AS NOT PART OF THE MOBILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

IN OUR CRITERIA MANUALS, WE HAVE A SPECIFICATION IN THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL.

WE HAVE A SPECIFICATION THAT THAT REQUIRES ONE FOOT TO TWO FEET SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PRIVATE PROPERTY LINE AND THE SIDEWALK.

IN A RESIDENTIAL STREET WHERE OUR STREET SCAPE IS 10 FEET, THAT TWO FEET COULD MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET IS TOTALLY UNUSABLE.

IT'S A WEED PATCH.

SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALREADY SEEDED CERTAIN, WE, THROUGH OUR CRITERIA MANUALS, WE HAVE MADE PRIORITIES.

AND IT'S THAT THE EASE OF CONSTRUCTING THE SIDEWALK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER GETTING STREET TREES.

AND SO WE, WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THIS WITH A CRITICAL EYE AND SAY LIKE, MAYBE THREE, THREE INCHES IS FINE, , YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN FIT OUR BOARD FORM OVER THERE AND IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING, BUT WE'RE IN A CONSTRAINT RIGHT AWAY, SO MAYBE WE GOTTA DO, WE GOTTA MAKE, DO, UM, A LOT OF PLACES THEY PUT SIDEWALKS RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, NO PROBLEM.

UM, IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN MUELLER, THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WE EXPECT WALKABLE ENVIRONMENTS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT I TALKED A LOT.

I'M SORRY, .

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL CALL IN.

COMMISSIONER KEMAN.

HI, KEVIN , THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN.

I'VE BEEN REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS SINCE, UH, YOU FIRST STARTED TALKING TO EVERYBODY ABOUT THIS.

UM, THERE IS ONLY SORT OF AN OBLIQUE REFERENCE THAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION LANGUAGE TO GRANTING SOMEONE POWER OVER.

LIKE YOU WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC REALM OFFICER THROUGH THIS RESOLUTION.

UM, BUT YOU HAVE IN HERE PUBLIC WORKS PROVIDES LEADERSHIPS AND RESOLVE, REVOLVE, UH, RESOLVES CONFLICTS AROUND COMPETING PRIORITIES, UM, EXPANDING THEIR STAFFING AND RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO CONTINUE THAT WORK.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HOPE CITY STAFF CAN TAKE TO HEART.

MM-HMM, .

AND, UM, I, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATION SHOULD BE DRIVING THE BUS FOR RIGHTS OF WAYS, UH, LIKE RIGHT OF WAY PROJECTS AND NOT THE UTILITIES.

UM, THAT'S ONE OF MY, ONE OF MY MAJOR THINGS I THINK ABOUT.

BUT, UM, THIS IS GONNA INVOLVE LIKE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE ADVOCATES AND, UM, CITY STAFF.

AND I THINK THAT THERE'S AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER COMING IN FOR MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS, UH, TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT WE HAVE COMING IN AND EXPRESS THIS WISH AND MAKE IT KNOWN THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO GET A HIGH LEVEL STAFFING MEMBER OR ALLOWING PUBLIC WORKS TO BE REALLY IN CHARGE OF HOW OUR RIGHT OF WAY IS DESIGNED.

YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S TERRIFIC.

UM, YOU GUYS, IF YOU CAN HELP ME OUT AND GET, UH, GET ME A MEETING, THAT'D BE GREAT.

UM, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO WHERE, WITH WHERE WE GOT WITH THE RESOLUTION, IT WAS HUGE.

UM, AND THAT, THAT LANGUAGE WAS ACTUALLY REALLY REASSURING TO ME.

IT WASN'T, HEY, LET'S GET A PUBLIC REALM OFFICER, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN TERRIFIC.

BUT WHAT IT DID THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY POWERFUL WAS IT, IT UM, IT FORMALIZED THAT RESPONSIBILITY THAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT AUTHORITY.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN HOW WE'VE BEEN OPERATING.

SO I THINK THAT'S A, IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT FIRST STEP COMMISSIONERS OTHERS, I SEE PEOPLE ONLINE.

I SAW, UH, EDWARD.

SO, UH, YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TO PRESENT THIS.

I, I LOVE THIS WHOLE IDEA.

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER HAS STATED.

MINE IS MORE OF A QUESTION.

UM, YOU TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT BRIEFLY IN THE CHALLENGES PORTION.

UM, HOW DO YOU ENVISION, AS YOU TALKED ABOUT AT THE TOP OF THE MEETING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BECOMING MORE DENSE AND WE'RE ONLY GETTING HOTTER AND IN THE ALREADY HOT PLACE, UH, AND ADDING MORE PEOPLE TO OUR POPULATION.

UH, WHAT IS THE POSSIBLE INFORMATION SLASH YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS YOU SEE COMING FROM WATERING THE TREES? 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE ALL PROBABLY SEEN PLENTY OF EXAMPLES OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS TO GET TREES OUT THERE, AND THEN EITHER SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THE WATER GETS TURNED OFF, THE TREES DIE, OR,

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YOU KNOW, EVEN IT COULD BE JUST SHRUBBERIES AND MEDIAN LANES.

IT'S A PRETTY BIG POP, UH, PROBLEM WHERE WE, WHERE WE LIVE, UM, AND THE TREE'S JUST DYING OUT.

AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF DROUGHT, UM, IN THIS AREA.

AND, UH, THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS AS TO ANY INFORMATION YOU HAVE ON WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT, UH, THE WATER USAGE TO BE, AND THEN ALSO PROBLEMS THAT WE WOULD MAYBE EXPECT WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME BREAKS IN LINES.

MM-HMM.

, UM, WE'VE PROBABLY ALL SADLY SEEN, YOU KNOW, RUPTURED IRRIGATION LINES BEFORE WHERE THERE'S WATER SPILLING IN THE STREET FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG.

SO I GUESS MY MAIN QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU SEE THE IMPACT OF WATERING AND THE TAKING CARE OF THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY PRECIOUS RESOURCES AND OPENNESS DEEP DOWN THE SHADE? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION.

UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOME INTERESTING THINGS WITH WATER REUSE RIGHT NOW.

UM, BUT I ALSO, I ALSO THINK THAT AS WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO BE MORE DENSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE, PEOPLE ARE NEEDING THE WATER TO THEIR TREES IN DROUGHT, UM, IN THEIR PRIVATE YARDS.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT.

UM, IT'S GONNA BE IN A WAY THAT IS GONNA BE MORE DIRECTLY ACCESSIBLE, UH, TO EVERYONE.

SO, UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH A ROBUST, UH, STREET TREE NETWORK THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE A TON MORE WATER USAGE FOR TREES.

UM, IT MIGHT BE REPLACEMENT.

UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, I DO THINK THAT, UM, THE TREE SPECIES SELECTION IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.

THIS ISN'T A LOT OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN GOING INTO.

I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

I'M NOT AN ARBORIST.

UM, AND, BUT AS PART OF THIS TECHNICAL, UM, AS, UH, THE TECHNICAL, UH, REVIEW BODY THAT, THAT THE TARP THAT'S GONNA BE HELPING WITH HELPING STAFF, I REALLY WANT THEM TO LOOK INTO THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE, WHAT ARE THE RIGHT SPECIES FOR CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENTS FOR ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE EXPERIENCING EXTREME URBAN HEAT IS INFECTS AND THAT AREN'T, YOU KNOW, ARE NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS, RIGHT? THIS, OUR SECOND STREET IS, IS NICE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE BLACKLAND PRAIRIE OR THE EDWARDS AQUIFER SORT OF RECHARGE ZONE OUT THERE.

UM, OR THE PLATEAU, SORRY.

UM, AND SO HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE RIGHT SPECIES FOR THAT AND, AND WHAT ARE THE RIGHT SPECIES FOR, UM, FOR WATER CONSERVATION? I THINK THESE ARE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, BUT I ALSO, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE USING OUR WATER GENERALLY.

UM, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I'VE, I'VE PUT A TON OF RESEARCH INTO, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK