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SPEEDING IN THE

[CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSIONED ORDER.

IT'S 6:02 PM UH, WE'LL START BY TAKING ROLL STONE IS HERE.

ROBINS HERE.

KARA GOTTI DAVIS.

HERE.

FARMER.

HERE.

GARY? HERE.

JOHNSON.

HERE.

ESUS? HERE.

SCA.

SCAFF.

SILVERSTEIN HERE.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A COATE.

MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

UM, PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK? JUST A QUESTION.

ARE, ARE WE EXPECTING, UH, UH, MELISSA HERE? I'M SORRY.

ARE WE EXPECTING COMMISSIONER KIRA GOTTI TO BE HERE TONIGHT? NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF, NO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, I DID HEAR FROM HER.

SHE DID ACCEPT THE MEETING TONIGHT, BUT YEAH.

OKAY.

THANKS.

OKAY.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE FOR COMMENT TODAY? NO.

ONE HERE FROM PUBLIC FOR COMMENT.

UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM ONE IN

[1. Approve the minutes of the Resource Management Commission Regular Meeting on March 19, 2024.]

YOUR AGENDAS, THEN WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

THEY'RE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THOSE FOR A MOMENT, AND THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SO MOVED.

THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

I SECOND.

GOTTA BE FASTER THAN THAT.

.

SECONDED BY, UH, THE VICE CHAIR.

UH, UH, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO DOING UNANIMOUS CONSENT? THERE BEING NONE.

SO, SO APPROVED.

UH, MOVING ON

[2. Recommend approving issuance of a 5-year performance-based incentive to Starwood Capital Group LLC, for the installation of solar electric systems on their facility located at 10814 Jollyville Road, Austin, TX 78759, in an amount not to exceed $70,125.91.]

TO ITEM NUMBER TWO IN YOUR PACKET.

RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVING ISSUANCE OF A FIVE YEAR PERFORMANCE BASED INCENTIVE TO STARWOOD CAPITAL GROUP.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, UH, RICHARD GENESEE, VICE PRESIDENT OF CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS FOR AUSTIN ENERGY.

UM, AS IS REFLECTED IN YOUR PACKETS, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR PERFORMANCE BASED INCENTIVE FOR STARWOOD CAPITAL GROUP, A CUSTOMER THAT HAS MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, OUR PROGRAM.

AND THEY WILL GET A MONTHLY, UH, INCENTIVE AS LONG AS THEY ARE PERFORMING.

AS THE NAME IMPLIES, IT'S A PERFORMANCE BASED INCENTIVE, SO THEY HAVE TO PERFORM TO GET THE INCENTIVE PAYOUT FOR FIVE YEARS, ROUGHLY 69% OF THE PROJECT COST.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR TIM IS ALSO HERE.

YES.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW MR. GENESEE, IF, IF IT'S YOU OR MR. HARVEY WHO COULD ANSWER THESE, BUT, UM, THE FIRST IS, DO WE HAVE ANY LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OR DOLLAR AMOUNT OF PROJECTS THAT ONE APPLICANT CAN RECEIVE? NO, AS LONG AS THE, UH, CUSTOMER MEETS THE PROGRAM CRITERIA FOR ALL CUSTOMERS, WE DO NOT HAVE A LIMITATION.

AND WE'VE ALSO NOT TURNED AWAY CUSTOMERS.

WE'VE, UH, SO, UM, WE HAVE HAD, AS WE DO IN THIS CASE, CUSTOMERS THAT SUBMIT FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS FOR WHICH THEY WOULD GET INCENTIVES FOR EACH PROJECT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONEY IS, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I ASSUME THAT, THAT THE MONEY IS LIKE, COMMITTED ON THE, ON EXPECTATION THAT IT'S PERFORMANCE BASED AND PAID OUT IN THE FUTURE BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S PERFORMANCE MONTH BY MONTH ONCE THE PROJECT GOES INTO EFFECT.

BUT I WONDER HOW DO WE HAVE LIKE ANY MAXIMUM AMOUNT PER MONTH OR PER YEAR THAT AUSTIN, WHEN YOU MAKE THESE COMMITMENTS ON A FORWARD BUDGET, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MUCH OUR FUTURE COMMITMENT FOR THESE SOLAR PAYMENTS WILL BE? I MEAN, THE FUNDS ARE ENCUMBERED AS THE PROJECTS, UH, COMPLETE AND THEN THE PAYOUT IS SUBJECT TO THE PERFORMANCE OF THE SYSTEM.

AND, AND IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT, THAT YOU'LL JUST COME UP WITH AUSTIN ENERGY AS OPPOSED TO YOU PERSONALLY? WE'LL COME UP WITH THE CASH AS, AS ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE RECEIVED THESE COMMITMENTS? WELL, AS OUR BUDGET IS APPROVED ANNUALLY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SET AMOUNT OF FUNDS TO COVER A GIVEN NUMBER OF PROJECTS, BUT AS I SAID, WE DON'T, WE HAVE NOT TURNED AWAY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ANY CUSTOMER, UM, IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA.

AND YOU ARE BUILDING INTO FORWARD BUDGETS THE FORWARD EXPECTATION RELATING TO PROJECTED PERFORMANCE OF ALL OF THE PV COMMITMENTS AND SUBSIDIES THAT WE ARE APPROVING NOW.

YEAH.

OUR BUDGET, AS

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YOU KNOW, IS ONLY SET ON AN ANNUALIZED BASIS.

SO WE CAN ONLY COMMIT FUNDS FOR ANY GIVEN YEAR.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY PROJECT WHAT NEEDS WE WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY.

AND THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE YEAR WE SAY, OH GOSH, WE JUST HAD A GOLD RUSH AND WE CAN'T FUND ANY MORE OF THESE.

THIS YEAR HASN'T HAPPENED, UM, AS OF RECENTLY THAT I'M AWARE OF.

SO I THINK IT'S VERY, I THINK WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT TURNED AWAY CUSTOMERS WHO MEET THE CRITERIA AS WE'RE TRYING TO MEET OUR GOALS FOR THE PROGRAM.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE MORE AND MORE RENEWABLES ON OUR SYSTEM.

SO THIS IS, UH, COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH THAT.

UM, BUT AS LONG AS THE CUSTOMERS MEET THE CRITERIA, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T JUST APPROVE PROGRAM APPROVE PROPOSALS FOR CUSTOMERS OR PROJECTS SUBMITTED BY CONTRACTORS THAT DO NOT MEET OUR STRICT PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEP.

VICE CHAIR ROBBINS, I, I WILL VOTE FOR THIS.

UM, ALMOST ENTHUSIASTICALLY.

HOWEVER, I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO BE MOVING TOWARDS, UH, NOT JUST SOLAR, BUT CONTROLLING WHEN THE SOLAR IS ON, UH, SOLAR PLUS BATTERIES.

UM, I MEAN, THIS ISN'T GONNA HELP US AT WINTER PEAK, AND IT MAY BE OF LIMITED VALUE IN SUMMER PEAK GIVEN THE, UH, DUCK CURVE THAT ERCOT HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING.

UM, I, I, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.

UM, I, I HOPE THAT, UM, AS THIS SOLAR PROGRAM EVOLVES, UH, BATTERIES WILL BE A, A MAJOR PART OF IT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN.

UM, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT THE CITY CONSIDER CREATING A PARALLEL PROGRAM THAT STARTS GIVING INCENTIVES TO BATTERIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH SOLAR PROJECTS? UH, I THINK THERE'S A BATTERY, UH, PROGRAM OF SOME SORT THAT'S BEING RESEARCHED RIGHT NOW THAT, UH, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.

UH, AND I'M SURE THAT SOMETIME I, I, I AM GONNA GUESS IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, UH, THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED.

UH, BUT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT WE MAY WANT TO CHANGE OUR REBATE STRUCTURE SO THAT IT REWARDS PEOPLE, UH, WHO CAN BRING US SOLAR ON PEAK AS OPPOSED TO, UM, WHENEVER THE SUN SHINES.

YEAH.

WE, WE, WE, AND YOUR ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT, WE DO HAVE, UM, RESEARCH GOING ON INTO A NUMBER OF WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN SUPPORT BATTERIES ACROSS THE WHOLE UTILITY FROM UTILITY SCALE BATTERIES ALL THE WAY THROUGH RESIDENTIAL BATTERIES.

AND SO, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS WORK THAT'S UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, I, I'LL SUPPORT THIS COMMISSIONER TI I'LL GET IT INTO MY COOL, I GOT A FIRST TRY.

UH, TWO QUESTIONS ACTUALLY, UM, ABOUT THIS.

SO IN THE SUMMARY, UM, IT SAYS TOTAL SYSTEM COSTS $101,000 STAR, DOES NOT INCLUDE PANEL AND INVERTER COST.

WHY IS THAT REMOVED? UM, I THINK THOSE WERE PAID FOR SEPARATELY, THE PANELS AND THE INVERTERS WERE PAID FOR SEPARATELY.

SO THEY'RE NOT A PART OF THIS, UM, PACKAGE.

SO WHAT IS THE SYSTEM COST CONSIST OF? I'M SORRY, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE SYSTEM COST? IS COST OF, OF WHAT? YEAH.

INSTALLATION SOMETHING ELSE.

YEAH.

IT'S THE TURNKEY COST FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE INVERTERS AND THE BATTERIES.

COULD YOU, UH, TELL US WHO YOU ARE PLEASE? OH, SORRY.

YEAH, I, MY NAME'S TIM HARVEY.

I AM THE CUSTOMER RENEWABLE SOLUTIONS MANAGER.

SO, TO FOLLOW UP QUESTION THEN, HOW MUCH DID THE INVERTERS AND PANELS COST? THEY BOUGHT THAT THROUGH, THEY BOUGHT THEM IN BULK THROUGH A SEPARATE CONTRACT, AND WE DID NOT, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRICE WAS ON THOSE.

I GUESS THE REASON FOR MY INQUIRY IS, IS, IS TO JUST A SIMPLE TEST OF LIKE, IS THIS A GOOD, IS THIS GOOD VALUE? LIKE, IS THIS, IS THIS IN LINE WITH STANDARD DOLLAR PER WATT OF INSTALLATIONS?

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AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW THAT WITHOUT KNOWING THE, LIKE FULL SYSTEM COST.

IT'S HARD TO KNOW THAT.

BUT THE PROJECT'S MOVING FORWARD, WHICH IS A GOOD INDICATION, IF IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, THE LIKELIHOOD OF A PROJECT MANIFESTING WOULD BE LESS LIKELY.

RIGHT.

IT IS BEING REBATED HEAVILY THOUGH.

SO IT'S A QUESTION WORTH ASKING, I THINK.

IS IT, WHAT'S THE TOTAL SYSTEM COST AND IS IT IN LINE WITH OTHER SYSTEMS OF THAT SIZE? SO IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE A FAIR PRICE REGARDLESS OF THE INCENTIVE, RIGHT? THE, THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM ITSELF DOES NOT HAVE ANY LIMITS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR INSTALLED COSTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE GROUNDS TO DIG IN TO TRY TO GET THAT DATA.

I SEE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

BUT, BUT THE INCENTIVES ARE BASED ON INSTALLED COST AND, AND WHAT IT TAKES TO MOVE A CUSTOMER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT.

OKAY.

AND THE SECOND QUESTION, UM, IS WHAT ARE THE PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT THIS IS THEN QUALIFIED UNDER ON AN ONGOING BASIS IN TERMS OF IT'S A PERFORMANCE BASED? UM, YEAH, SO, SO WE, WE METER, UM, ALL OF THE SYSTEMS INDIVIDUALLY.

MM-HMM, .

SO WE CAN TELL EXACTLY WHAT THE PRODUCTION IS.

SO IT'S A PRODUCTION, IT'S BASED BASICALLY THAT'S THIS PRODUCTION'S, IT'S A PRODUCTION BASED INCENTIVE.

OKAY.

PERFORMANCE BASED INCENTIVE.

THEY'RE KIND OF USED INTERCHANGEABLY IN OUR WORLD, BUT YEAH.

SURE.

OKAY.

SO TO THE FIRST POINT, YEAH, VERY PRO SOLAR GENERALLY.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THIS.

I LOVE ANY SOLAR.

IT'S GREAT.

IT'S, I THINK IT IS WORTH A CHECK FOR EACH ONE OF LIKE, IS THE TOTAL VALUE OF THIS IN LINE WITH OTHER SYSTEMS. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU CHANGE THE LIKE CRITERIA, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE FOR THIS GROUP TO KNOW THAT THE MONEY IS GOING TOWARDS GOOD VALUE INSTALLS.

YEAH.

IT'S VERY ATYPICAL FOR A CUSTOMER TO BUY THE, UM, PANELS AND INVERTERS IN A SEPARATE CONTRACT.

BUT THEY'RE A NATIONWIDE COMPANY.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS IN OTHER TERRITORIES, AND THEY'VE DID A BULK PURCHASE TO BRING DOWN COSTS.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN IN THE, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION, I THINK SINCE SEPTEMBER.

AND IN THAT PERIOD, IT FEELS LIKE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD SUBMITTED HAVE BEEN FROM STARWOOD.

SO THEY CLEARLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THEY'RE CLEARLY BUYING IN BULK.

I DOUBT THAT THEY'RE PAYING ABOVE MARKET VALUE FOR, FOR THESE.

SO I THINK, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE IT AS TIM SAID, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE THAT AT LEAST THE STARWOOD PROJECTS ARE, ARE, ARE DELIVERING A GOOD VALUE.

UH, I HAD A QUESTION AND THAT IS, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE WORD ENCUMBRANCES, UH, RICHARD? MM-HMM.

.

SO, UH, AS AN ACCOUNTING NERD, I, I POUNCE ON THAT.

SO BASICALLY AUSTIN ENERGY WILL BE CARRYING A LIABILITY ON ITS BOOKS FOR 70, $70,000 THAT WILL BE BURNED OFF OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

OR WHAT DOES AN ENCUMBRANCE MEAN? NO, IN AUSTIN ENERGY'S TERMS. YEAH.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT ENCUMBRANCE MIGHT NOT BE THE, UM, EXACT PROPER WORD.

IT IS A SPECIAL LIMITED, UM, UM, COMMITMENT FROM US LIMITED BY WHETHER OR NOT THE BUDGET IS APPROVED IN, IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE WE CAN'T BIND FUTURE YEAR COUNCILS.

UM, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A SPECIAL LIMITATION TO IT, AND IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN DIG INTO THE, UM, GUIDELINES AND IT HAS THAT, THAT LANGUAGE.

UM, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT IT, WHAT, WHERE WE LIKE PUT ASIDE MONEY AND CARRY IT INTO FUTURE YEARS.

IT'S SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A VOTE OR A MOTION RATHER.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN.

SO MOVED.

SECOND.

THEY'RE QUICK TODAY.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN WITH THE MOTION AND, UH, THE VICE CHAIR WITH THE SECOND.

I WILL TAKE A ROLL CALL.

UH, ROBINS? YES.

KARA GOTTI IS NOT HERE.

IS SHE DAVIS? YES.

FARMER? YES.

UH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR CAM, UH, YOUR CAMERAS ON BY THE WAY, THEY NEED TO BE ON FOR YOU TO VOTE.

COMMISSIONER GARY? YES, UNFORTUNATELY I'M DRIVING ON MY WAY THERE, SO IT'D BE VERY DANGEROUS FOR ME TO TURN MY CAMERA ON THAT.

I AM VOTING .

FAIR ENOUGH.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? YES.

COMMISSIONER TI? YES.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN? YES.

STONE VOTES? NO.

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UH, THIS CARRIES SEVEN TO ONE WITH NO ABSTENTIONS.

MOVING ON,

[6. Staff Briefing on Austin’s Drought Contingency Plan and Water Conservation Plan updates by Kevin Critendon, Assistant Director, Environmental, Planning, and Development Services, Austin Water and Kevin Kluge, Environmental Conservation Division Manager of Austin Water]

UH, WITH THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE UP ITEM SIX, UH, TO, UH, BRING AUSTIN WATER UP TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATIONS AHEAD OF OUR DISCUSSIONS ON ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, WHICH ARE, UH, RESOLUTIONS REGARDING THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.

AS THEIR PRESENTATION WILL ADDRESS THOSE TOPICS AND HOPEFULLY SAVE US SOME, UH, HEADACHE LATER ON.

IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, PLEASE SAY SO.

NOW, OTHERWISE, I WILL PRESUME THAT THE COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH THAT.

UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, UH, I'M RESPECTFULLY ASKING THAT, UH, A TIME LIMIT BE SET.

UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, INCIDENTS IN THE PAST WHERE, UH, PRESENTATIONS HAVE GONE, UM, WAY OVER WHAT'S COMFORTABLE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE I, I PRESUME THAT OUR FRIENDS AT AUSTIN WATER WILL BE JUDICIOUS WITH THEIR USE OF TIME.

SO WE WILL, UH, WE'LL LET THEM PROCEED.

I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY, PAUL.

ALL, ALL RIGHT.

CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS KEVIN CRITTENDEN.

I'M ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF AUSTIN WATER, AND HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR, OUR PROPOSED 24 20 24 DROUGHT CONTINGENCY AND WATER CONSERVATION PLAN UPDATES.

UH, WITH ME THIS EVENING IS KEVIN KLUGE.

HE'LL BE HELPING ME OUT ON THE PRESENTATION.

WE'LL TRY TO MAKE IT AS EXPEDITIOUS AS POSSIBLE.

ALSO NOTE THAT OUR DIRECTOR IS IN THE AUDIENCE, SHAY ROLSON.

SO GLAD THAT SHE COULD BE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

BASICALLY, THE PRESENTATION DOES TRY TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF OUR, OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, PROPOSED UPDATES.

UM, THE OVERVIEW OF OUR PRESENTATION WILL GIVE YOU A BRIEF, UH, WATER SUPPLY BACKGROUND AND UPDATE JUST TO KIND OF ORIENT YOU TO THE SOURCE OF SUPPLY FOR AUSTIN WATER.

UH, WE'LL PROVIDE A BIT OF A PLANNING OVERVIEW TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE ELEMENTS INVOLVED IN PLANNING FOR UPDATING OUR WATER CONSERVATION DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLANS.

AND THEN KEVIN WILL COME UP AND TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROPOSED WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND PROPOSED DROUGHT CONSERVATION PLANS.

AND THEN WE'LL WRAP IT UP WITH NEXT STEPS.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS, UH, GRAPHIC IS REALLY JUST A, A PROPOSED, UH, GRAPHIC TO DEPICT OUR WATER SUPPLY.

OUR WATER DOES COME FROM THE COLORADO RIVER, THE TEXAS, COLORADO RIVER IN ITS ENTIRETY.

UM, WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF STATE ISSUED WATER RIGHTS, UM, THAT WE ARE GRANTED FROM, UH, THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND A CONTRACT WITH THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY THAT TOTALS ABOUT 325,000 ACRE FEET OF WATER SUPPLY PER YEAR.

ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY TO BACK UP THAT WATER SUPPLY, UM, THAT, UH, WE PREPAID FOR WATER SUPPLY IN THAT AGREEMENT IN 1999.

AND THAT BASICALLY ALLOWS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR WATER UNTIL OUR USAGE EXCEEDS 200,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHY DO WE NEED THOSE PLANS? UM, IN SHORT, UM, ALL TEXAS UTILITIES MUST PROVIDE A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND A DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, UM, THROUGH TCEQ AND WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD REGULATIONS.

UM, ADDITIONALLY IT TAKES, UH, COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REQUIRES THAT WE UPDATE THOSE PLANS ON A FIVE-YEAR BASIS.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT IS JUST AT, AT SOME LEVEL JUST A ROUTINE UPDATE OF BOTH OF THOSE PLANS.

UM, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN JUST TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO WATER CONSERVATION PLAN REALLY IS IDENTIFIES PROGRAMMATIC ACTIVITIES THAT ARE AIMED AT EITHER REDUCING WATER USE OR AIMED AT IMPROVING WATER USE EFFICIENCY.

AND THAT'S CHARACTERIZED DIFFERENTLY FROM THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, WHICH BASICALLY PRESCRIBES CERTAIN WATER USE RESTRICTIONS DURING CERTAIN DROUGHT CONDITIONS.

SO THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN A LOT OF REGARDS, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO PLANS.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS SLIDE SORT OF FURTHER HIGHLIGHTS THOSE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PLANS.

ON THE LEFT SIDE IS SORT OF THE OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS OF A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S A PLAN FOR WATER USE IN ALL CONDITIONS.

SO REGARDLESS OF THE WEATHER CONDITIONS, UM, BASICALLY THAT PLAN DESCRIBES UTILITY AND WATER USE INFORMATION.

IT PROVIDES CONSERVATION ACTIVITIES SUCH AS REBATES, EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT.

UM, IT IDENTIFIES WATER LOSS

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REDUCTION GOALS, AND IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT REUSE ACTIVITIES.

UM, AND THEN FINALLY IT INCLUDES WATER CONSERVATION AND WATER LOSS GOALS.

SO KIND OF WHAT, WHAT GOALS WE, UH, INTEND TO SORT OF PURSUE DURING THE, THE INTERVENING FIVE YEARS SO THAT WE CAN AGAIN, CONTINUE TO PROMOTE WATER USE EFFICIENCY AND, UM, REDUCE WATER USE OVERALL.

ON THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY SIDE, IT FOCUSES MORE ON DROUGHT CONDITIONS.

SO AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A, CURRENTLY IN A REGIONAL DROUGHT.

UH, SO IT'S VERY TIMELY THAT WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE'RE UPDATING THAT PLAN.

UM, AGAIN, THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN DESCRIBES VARIOUS DROUGHT STAGES THAT ARE, UM, IMPOSED ON OUR WATER SUPPLY.

IT IDENTIFIES SPECIFIC TRIGGERS FOR EITHER DEMANDS OR SUPPLY, AND THEN IDENTIFIES SPECIFIC DROUGHT ACTIONS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD BE TAKEN IN ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS.

UM, IN OUR CASE, THAT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITIES PLAN.

UH, SINCE THEY ARE THE MANAGER OF THE HIGHLAND LAKES, UM, THEY SET A PLAN THAT DRIVES, UM, ALL OF THEIR CUSTOMERS WATER USE.

AND SO OUR PLAN NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST AS RESTRICTIVE AS THEIR PLAN.

UM, AND THERE ULTIMATELY BECOMES SOME CHANGES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE IN LOCAL CODE IN ORDER TO ENFORCE AND ADOPT A CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE WATER, UH, DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO HOW DOES THIS PLAN WORK REGIONALLY WITH CRA'S UM, WATER SUPPLY PLAN? UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE ARE A CUSTOMER OF CRA'S, OUR PLAN HAS TO ALIGN WITH THEIR PLAN.

UM, THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY BOARD OF DIRECTORS RECENTLY UPDATED AND ADOPTED, ADAPTED THEIR PLAN ON MARCH THE 26TH OF THIS YEAR.

AGAIN, IN MANY CASES, I THINK RESPONDING TO THE CURRENT LOCAL, UH, REGIONAL DROUGHT CONDITIONS, THEY IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

AND AGAIN, KEVIN WILL TALK A LITTLE MORE DETAILED ABOUT THOSE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS AND HOW THEY TRANSLATE INTO OUR PLAN.

UH, BUT IN SHORT, UM, THEY ADJUSTED DROUGHT TRIGGERS LEVELS.

SO RIGHT NOW THEIR CURRENT PLAN HAS FOUR TRIGGERS.

IT GOES TO FIVE TRIGGERS.

KEVIN WILL TALK ABOUT THAT.

UM, THEY'VE ALSO, UM, IDENTIFIED THIS TIME, UM, UH, INFLOW TRIGGER.

SO HISTORICALLY THEY'VE USED JUST WATER SUPPLY, UM, CONDITIONS IN THE LAKE, SO STORAGE VOLUMES IN THE, THE VARIOUS LAKES.

UM, SO THIS TIME THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE TO THE STEP OF ADDING AN INFLOW TRIGGER, WHICH AGAIN, SHOULD BE MORE PROTECTIVE OF WATER SUPPLY.

AND THEN FINALLY, THEY'VE, UM, ADDED SPECIFIC DROUGHT CONDITIONS AND WATER USE RESTRICTIONS.

SO CERTAINLY AS WE MOVE INTO THE MORE DIRE, UH, DROUGHT CONDITIONS, THEY'VE ACTUALLY, UM, UM, IMPOSED OR, UM, SPECIFIC DROUGHT USE RESTRICTIONS, PARTICULARLY ON OUTDOOR WATER USE.

AND AGAIN, KEVIN WILL KIND OF TALK OVER THAT MOMENTARILY.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KEVIN AND HE'S GONNA RUN THROUGH THE DETAILS OF BOTH THE PLANS.

OKAY.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS KEVIN KLUGE, WATER CONSERVATION DIVISION MANAGER.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND AS KEVIN I MENTIONED, I'M GOING TO STEP THROUGH THE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT PLANS, UH, BRIEFLY AND DESCRIBE WHAT HAS CHANGED, UH, SINCE THE LAST PLAN.

THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, AS KEVIN MENTIONED, REALLY DESCRIBES WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE HAVE A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE PURSUE TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY OR OR LOWER WATER USE.

WE HAVE PUBLIC EDUCATION, OF COURSE, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD, RADIO SPOTS OR SOCIAL MEDIA.

UH, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ASSISTANCE, WHETHER IT'S A PLUMBING PROGRAM TO HELP CUSTOMERS, LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS WITH THEIR NEEDS OR DIRECT MATERIAL DISTRIBUTION OF CONSERVATION MATERIALS TO CUSTOMERS, INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, WHICH MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF, THE REBATES BOTH FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.

AND THEN NUMBER OF REGULATORY PROGRAMS, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS ENFORCEMENT OF THE WATER RESTRICTIONS.

THE PLAN ALSO DISCUSSES THE WATER LOSS REDUCTION MITIGATION EFFORTS, AS WELL AS OUR WATER USE REUSE EFFORTS.

YOU MAY HAVE RECALLED OVER THE LAST MONTH, WE HAD A BIG PUSH FOR THE GO PURPLE PROGRAM FOR OUR REUSE AND RECLAIMED EFFORTS.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WAS, WHAT IS IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.

IN TERMS OF THE UPDATES FROM THE LAST WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, WE HAVE THREE HIGHLIGHTS.

FIRST OF ALL, WE UPDATE ALL THE PROGRAM ACTIVITY AND WATER SAVINGS.

AND IF, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT MOST OF THE PROGRAMS HAVE INFORMATION ON HOW MANY REBATES WE RECEIVED AND WHAT THE SAVINGS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE.

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THE NEW PLAN DISCUSSES A LOT MORE ABOUT OUR, MY A TX WATER SYSTEM, WHICH IS OUR SMART METER SYSTEM.

BACK IN 2019, WHEN THE LAST PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER, MY A TX WATER, THE SMART METER SYSTEM WAS REALLY KIND OF A DREAMED PILOT GOING FORWARD.

SO THAT'S ALMOST BUILT OUT NOW.

SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION OF THAT IN THE NEW PLAN.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE UPDATE THE GOALS FOR OUR PER PERSON WATER USE, UH, FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS OUR WATER LOSS GOALS.

NEXT SLIDE.

TOUCHING A BIT MORE ON THESE GOALS IN THE PLAN.

UM, IF, IF YOU HAVE THE PLAN ELECTRONICALLY, UH, THOSE ARE ON PAGE 27 AND 28.

UH, BUT THESE ARE GOALS, FIVE YEAR GOALS FOR 2029 AND 10 YEAR GOALS IN 20 20, 20 34, EXCUSE ME.

AND WE HAVE GOALS AS YOU SEE ON THAT, THAT FIRST SUB-BULLET THERE.

WE HAVE GOALS FOR OUR TOTAL GALLONS PER CAPITA DAILY, ESSENTIALLY PER PERSON WATER USE.

AND FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL PER PERSON WATER USE, WE ALSO HAVE GOALS FOR OUR WATER LOSS PER PERSON WATER USE AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE LEAKAGE INDEX.

NO.

AND THEN SECONDLY, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT ON THAT, THAT FINAL BULLET THOUGH IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE MAKE THESE GOALS.

THESE GOALS FOR THE PER PERSON WATER USE WERE DEVELOPED THROUGH A DISCUSSION WITHIN AUSTIN WATER, NOT ONLY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SAVE, BUT WHAT WE CAN SAVE.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT THESE GOALS ARE BOTH ASPIRATIONAL BUT ALSO ACHIEVABLE.

AND FINALLY, FOR THE WATER LOSS GOALS, WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR WATER LOSS.

'CAUSE WATER LOSS IS A DIFFICULT THING TO HANDLE AND IT SOMETIMES TAKES TIME TO GET GOING, BUT, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THESE GOALS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PLAN ARE ONES THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THROUGH OUR WATER LOSS MITIGATION EFFORTS.

NEXT SLIDE.

THE SECOND PLAN, THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, UH, DISCUSSES VERY BRIEFLY THE SOURCES AND PROJECTIONS, UM, IN THE PLAN.

BUT THEN AS KEVIN MENTIONED, IT REALLY GOES ON TO DELVE INTO THE DROUGHT STAGES AND THE DIFFERENT TRIGGERS FOR THOSE STAGES.

UH, WE HAVE A CONSERVATION STAGE.

WE'RE IN THAT STAGE IN THE BEST OF TIMES IN THE WETTEST OF TIMES.

WE'RE STILL IN A CONSERVATION STAGE WITH A ONE DAY A WEEK WATERING RESTRICTION FOR AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT DROUGHT STAGES, UH, ONE THROUGH FIVE IN THIS NEW PLAN.

AND THEN IN THE PLAN, WE HAVE THE ACTIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE STAGES.

SO AS THE STAGES DROUGHT DEEPENS AND THE STAGES INCREASE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT ACTIONS AND ACTIVITIES THAT THIS PLAN, UH, DETAILS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS PLAN HAS, THAT PREVIOUS PLAN DID NOT HAVE, UH, WE INCLUDE SOME OF THE, SOME DISCRETIONARY ACTIVITIES THAT THE UTILITY AND THE CITY CAN TAKE AS THE DROUGHT DEEPENS.

AND WE NEED TO SAVE MORE WATER, NOT JUST REGULATORY, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

NEXT SLIDE.

GETTING INTO THE DIFFERENT STAGES AND THE DIFFERENT CHANGES IN THE STAGES.

STAGE ONE IS 1.4 MILLION ACRE FEET.

UH, THE LCRA ADOPTED THEIR DRUG CONTINGENCY PLAN WITH A STAGE ONE TRIGGER AT 1.1, BUT WE FEEL THAT IT IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO RETAIN THE STAGE ONE TRIGGER AT 1.4 MILLION ACRE FEET OF COMBINED STORAGE.

DURING STAGE ONE, WE'LL ALSO UNDERTAKE A NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES SUCH AS IN WORKING WITH OTHER CITY, UH, DEPARTMENTS TO IMPROVE THEIR WATER CONSERVATION ACTIVITIES, AS WELL AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF INCREASING INCENTIVES AND CONSERVATION ACTIVITIES IN STAGE ONE, STAGE TWO, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY IN STAGE TWO, AND WE'VE BEEN IN STAGE TWO SINCE AUGUST OF LAST YEAR AND 900,000 ACRE FEET.

IT INCLUDES A REDUCTION IN ELIGIBLE TIME TO IRRIGATE SO PEOPLE CAN IRRIGATE LESS ONE DAY A WEEK, BUT FEWER HOURS IN THAT DAY.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT THE UTILITY IS LOOKING TO TAKE AT THAT STAGE.

ALSO, STAGE THREE,

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NEXT SLIDE, SORRY.

STAGE THREE IS A NEW STAGE AT 750,000 ACRE FEET.

THIS IS A NEW STAGE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY LCRA.

IT WAS FELT THAT THE GAP BETWEEN 900,000 ACRE FEET AND STAGE TWO AND THE NEXT STAGE AT 600,000 ACRE FEET WAS TOO LARGE OF A GAP TO NOT TAKE ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO SAVE WATER.

SO LCRA ADOPTED A STAGE AT 750,000 ACRE FEET, AND WE ALSO ADOPTED THAT INTO OUR PLAN.

DURING THAT STAGE.

UM, IT'LL BE FURTHER REDUCTIONS IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT COULD BE WATERED WITH AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. AND WE WILL LOOK TO BE UTILIZING OUR NEW, MY A TX WATER SYSTEM TO, UH, PROMOTE VOLUNTARY WATER BUDGETING FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.

AND THEN FOR UM, ENFORCEMENT OF OUR WATERING RESTRICTIONS, WE WILL GO AND SENSE TO A NO WARNING SYSTEM WHERE PREVIOUSLY CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE A WARNING IF THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE IRRIGATING ON THE WRONG DAY OR TIME.

UM, BUT AT STAGE THREE AT 750,000 ACRE FEET, WE WOULD PROCEED WITH NOT GIVING A WARNING, GIVING A CITATION RIGHT AWAY, BUT THEN ALLOWING THAT PENALTY, THE MONETARY PENALTY TO BE DEFERRED IF CUSTOMERS TOOK A IRRIGATION COURSE, ONLINE IRRIGATION COURSE, SIMILAR TO A DEFENSIVE DRIVING, UH, COURSE THAT YOU MIGHT TAKE IN STAGE FOUR, 600,000 ACRE FEET.

AND, AND TO REMIND, REMIND EVERYONE, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE ABOUT 30% OF OUR WATER SUPPLY LEFT IN THE RESERVOIR.

SO IT IS ACTUALLY A VERY DEEP, UH, STATE OF DROUGHT, AND WE'VE NEVER BEEN IN THIS STAGE OF DROUGHT BEFORE.

BUT AT STAGE FOUR, THERE IS A, A PROPOSED TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON ALL NEW IRRIGATION PERMITS AND ALL NEW SINGLE FAMILY POOL PERMITS DURING THIS STAGE.

ALSO, THERE WILL BE IN THIS STAGE, NO IRRIGATION OF TURF GRASS, UH, UNLESS USED FOR COMMUNITY, UH, PURPOSES AT, IN THE LCRA PLAN, THEY TERM IT AS NO IRRIGATION OF ORNAMENTAL TURF AND OUR CODE, WE ARE USING THE TERM NON-FUNCTIONAL TURF, BUT ESSENTIALLY, EXCUSE ME, THERE WILL BE NO IRRIGATION USING AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION SYSTEMS OR OTHER METHODS OF IRRIGATION ON TURF UNLESS IT IS AN AREA THAT IS USED BY THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE STAGE FIVE, WHICH IS EMERGENCY DROUGHT STAGE.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS A SLIDE SHOWING, IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE, UM, BUT IT SHOWS THE LEVEL OF THE RESERVOIRS, THE COMBINED STORAGE THAT I'VE BEEN REFERRING TO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

THAT BLUE LINE YOU SEE GOING ACROSS WHERE IT INTERSECTS THE GOLD OR YELLOW LINE GOING VERTICAL.

THAT'S THE, UH, CONDITION TODAY.

UH, WE'D STAND JUST ABOUT 850,000 ACRE FEET OF COMBINED STORAGE.

AND THEN YOU SEE CRA'S PROJECTIONS GOING TO THE, THE LEFT OR RIGHT, EXCUSE ME, UH, THE DIFFERENT DOTTED LINES, DIFFERENT POTENTIAL SCENARIOS.

ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT STAGES.

UH, CITY OF AUSTIN, STAGE ONE AT 1.4, AS YOU SEE, THERE'S LCRA STAGE AT 1.1 MILLION ACRE FEET.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE SAME STAGES GOING FURTHER DOWN INTO STAGE TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

AND IF YOU WOULD, I, I REALIZE THIS IS VERY HARD TO SEE, BUT I MENTIONED WE'RE AT 850,000 ACRE FEET.

IF YOU FOLLOW THAT ORANGE DOTTED LINE AND THE RED DOTTED LINE OFF TO THE RIGHT THERE, UH, AND YOU IMAGINE WHERE IT MIGHT CROSS 750,000 ACRE FEET, WHERE THAT NEXT STAGE IT WILL TAKE PLACE.

IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN MID-JUNE OR MID-JULY IF WE'RE UNDER DRY OR EXTREMELY DRY CONDITIONS.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO PUBLIC OUTREACH BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE SET UP A SPEAK UP AUSTIN PAGE TO GET PUBLIC OUTREACH, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE DRUG CONTINGENCY PLAN.

AND WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING ON DECEMBER 12TH, TOOK A SURVEY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO VISITED THE SPEAK UP AUSTIN PAGE AND A SURVEY OF, OF RAN RANDOM AUSTIN WATER CUSTOMERS AND RECEIVED OVER A HUNDRED RESPONSES FROM THOSE TWO SURVEYS.

AND THE

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MAJORITY OF THE STRONG MAJORITY OF THOSE RESPONSES FAVORED PROPOSED ADDITIONS FOR DROUGHT REGULATIONS.

NEXT SLIDE.

GOING FORWARD, BOTH OF THESE, UM, THESE PLANS AS, AS WELL AS ACCOMPANYING CODE CHANGES, WILL BE GOING TO THE COUNCIL ON MAY 2ND, UH, FOR ADOPTION THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

SUMMER.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS AND THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN EFFORTS AS THEY BECOME APPLICABLE.

AND WE'LL BE PLANNING, YOU'LL SEE WE'LL PLANNING UNDERWAY FOR DROUGHT STAGE THREE AS WE GO INTO THE SUMMER, YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH MAY OCCUR IN MID-JUNE TO MID-JULY.

UM, HOPEFULLY NOT IF WE GET SOME GOOD RAINS OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, BUT IF WE CONTINUE IN THE DRY PATTERN THAT WE'VE BEEN IN, THAT, THAT MAY OCCUR.

SO WE CONTINUE TO PLAN FOR THAT GOING FORWARD.

AND WITH THAT NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE OPEN TO QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

UH, I SAW COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN FIRST.

THANK YOU.

UH, TWO QUESTIONS.

FIRST, HOW MUCH OF WHAT IS THE FORWARD WATER HORIZON YEAR? HOW MANY, GIVEN THE CITY'S CURRENT CONSUMPTION PER CAPITA AND, UM, GREAT GROWTH RATE OF POPULATION, UM, HOW MANY YEARS OF DROUGHT CAN WE SUSTAIN BEFORE WE BECOME ONE OF THOSE LITTLE CITIES THAT SAY NO MORE PERMITS, NO MORE THIS, NO MORE THAT.

'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY WATER COMING IN IN TERMS OF A, A TIMEFRAME WHEN WE, HOW LONG WE COULD GO? UM, I'M AFRAID I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN HAS TWO PLANS GOING OUT 10 YEARS.

AND THE WATER FORWARD PROGRAM, WHICH WE HAVE OUR, OUR A HUNDRED YEAR WATER PLAN, YOU KNOW, GOES OUT A HUNDRED YEARS.

UM, SO WE ARE PLANNING BOTH FOR THE SHORT TERM AND THE LONG, LONG TERM.

SO, BUT, BUT WHEN YOU DO A BACK OF THE BALLPARK, BACK OF THE ENVELOPE, BALLPARK ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY YEARS OF THIS LEVEL OR WORTH DROUGHT CAN WE GET THROUGH WITH THESE MEASURES, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS THAT FIVE YEARS? IS IT 10 YEARS? THAT I'M AFRAID I DO NOT HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR, BUT WE CAN TALK UNLESS KEVIN CRITTENTON HAS AN ANSWER.

SO IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ASK.

UM, WHICH IS WHY OUR WATER FORWARD PLAN IS, UM, INCLUDING IN IT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF, UM, CLIMATE CHANGE AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST AS A BASIC DATA POINT IN THAT PLAN, WE PROJECTED OUR WATER SUPPLIES RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY AS THEY ARE, SHOULD, UH, EASILY LAST US INTO THE 2040 TIMEFRAME.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING ON ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES.

UM, SO THAT'S A GENERAL KIND OF PERSPECTIVE AROUND IT.

OBVIOUSLY, UM, IT ALL IS IN THE BACKDROP WITH THE BACKDROP OF KIND OF USING DROUGHTS WORSE THAN THE DROUGHT OF RECORD, WHICH IS A TERM OF ART THAT WE USE IN WATER PLANNING, UM, AS THE BASIS FOR THAT WATER SUPPLY PLANNING.

UM, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF IT NEVER, EVER, EVER RAINED AGAIN, HOW LONG WOULD OUR WATER SUPPLY LAST? IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION TO, TO KIND OF PONDER.

UM, OUR GOAL IS TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE WATER SUPPLIES AVAILABLE THAT CAN WITHSTAND DROUGHT CONDITIONS MORE SERIOUS THAN WE HAVE SEEN, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DEVELOP A STRONG AND RESILIENT, UH, WATER SUPPLY GOING FORWARD.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND THEN REAL QUICK, UH, I NOTE THAT, UM, BURIED IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO PUT IN YOUR, IN YOUR EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, Y'ALL.

UM, WE HAVE PER CAPITA OF, UM, WATER USE GCPD, WHICH I ASSUME IS, UM, GALLONS OF, OF WATER USE PER DAY OF A BASELINE OF 127 GALLONS.

BUT WATER LOSSES PER DAY ARE 21, WHICH IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN Y'ALL SYSTEM, NOT WHAT'S GOING ON FROM US AS THE USERS.

THAT'S 16.5% OF, OF WHAT IT IS, OF, OF THE TOTAL.

MAYBE IT'S ON TOP OF, I CAN'T TELL HOW YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE INCLUDING IN THESE, BUT I'M WONDERING, UM, I SEE THAT YOUR GOALS ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT NUMBER AND REDUCE THAT OVER TIME, BUT HOW MUCH DOES ALL OF THE CONSERVATION, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T PUSH US TO DO AS MUCH CONSERVATION AS WE CAN AND AS WE MUST, BUT 16.5% OF TOTAL WATER USE IS A WHOLE LOT COMPARED TO THE FRACTION THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET BY PUSHING US TO, YOU KNOW, NOT REFILL

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A POOL OR TO SHUT DOWN TURN, TURN ATHLETIC FIELDS INTO VARIANCES AS OPPOSED TO EXEMPTIONS.

SO HOW CAN YOU PUSH THE WATER LOSSES HARDER, WATER LOSS REDUCTION HARDER ON YOUR SYSTEM? RIGHT? WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE WATER LOSS FIGURES IN THERE, THOSE ARE OUR SYSTEM LOSSES.

THOSE AREN'T LOSSES ON THE CUSTOMER SIDE OF THE METER.

THOSE ARE LOSSES WITHIN OUR SYSTEM AND WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THAT IS NOT THE NUMBER WE WANT IT TO BE.

UM, IT'S, IT HAS KIND OF CREPT UP A LITTLE BIT.

LAST YEAR'S GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT.

UM, WE'VE, OUR INTAKE, WE'VE UNDERTAKEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REVIEWS, UM, OVER THIS LAST YEAR LOOKING AT OUR, OUR PRODUCTION METERS, WHICH KINDA SET THE NUMBERS OF WATER GOING IN.

AND WE'VE RECENTLY, OVER THE LAST YEAR CONTRACTED WITH A, A CONS CONSULTANT WHO SPECIALIZES IN WATER LOSS TO GET A REVIEW OF OUR, OF OUR ACTIVITIES, WHAT WE'RE DOING, VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, AND HELP US TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING DIFFERENTLY OR WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING BETTER, UM, WHAT HAVE YOU HELP US TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING GOING FORWARD.

AND IT'S BEEN RECOGNIZED WITHIN THE UTILITY THAT WE NEED TO REALLY CONCENTRATE ON WATER LOSS AS WELL AS CONSERVATION.

UM, AND WE'LL BE DOING BOTH.

WE HAVE TO DO BOTH.

COMMISSIONER SARUS, YOU WERE NEXT, AND THEN PAUL, I HAVE YOU AFTER HIM.

THANK YOU.

SO NOW AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN ITSELF.

IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR THAT.

IT'S NOT THE EXACT ITEM, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THE, OKAY.

SO, UM, ON FIGURE TWO, PAGE 29 OF THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, NOT ENTIRELY NECESSARY TO BE LOOKING AT IT, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT I'M REFERENCING, IT'S A LIST OF ALL THE REBATE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS ORDERED BY WATER SAVINGS.

UM, AND YEAH, THE TOP ONE IS BUCKS FOR BUSINESS WITH 921,000, UH, UNITS OF WATER SAVING.

MY QUESTION IS, IS UM, IS THIS, CAN WE KNOW THE NUMERATOR FOR ALL OF THESE, UM, PROGRAMS, I, HOW MUCH DO THEY ALL COST? UM, AND SO THAT THEY CAN BE ORDERED BY, UH, IN TERMS OF USEFULNESS? THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.

AND QUESTION NUMBER TWO IS, FOR ALL THE ONES THAT ARE ZERO, CAN THOSE BE CANCELED OR SHOULD THOSE BE CANCELED? SO YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS, CAN WE, CAN WE GIVE YOU THE, THE AMOUNT OF REBATE, THE REBATE AMOUNTS? 'CAUSE THESE ARE ALL REBATES? NO, NO.

THE COST OF THE PROGRAM, HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO RUN EACH OF THESE REBATE PROGRAMS, RIGHT? THEY ALL COST SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I GUESS STAFF TIME FOR FOUR, FOUR TEAM MEMBERS, UM, WOULD BE THE COST.

I KNOW BUS FOR BUSINESS IN PARTICULAR IS LIKE A, IS AN ACTUAL, UH, REBATE TO, TO, UM, COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? IT, IT IS NOT A REBATE IN SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU BUY A, A HOSE TIMER AND THEN WE GIVE YOU $20, UH, BUCKS FOR BUSINESS IS OUR COMMERCIAL PROGRAM, WHICH IS REALLY PERFORMANCE BASED IN WHICH SOMEONE APPROACHES US, ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS APPROACHES AS I WANT TO TAKE THIS ACTION, IT'LL SAVE THIS MUCH GALLON OF WATER.

AND THE, THE REBATE IN A SENSE, THE INCENTIVES IS BASED ON HOW MUCH IS GONNA BE SAVED OVER 20 YEARS.

SO THE PROGRAM, BUT YOU PAY, YOU PAY THEM MONEY, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.

YES.

WHICH IS TOTALLY A GREAT STRATEGY.

NOTHING, NO, NO BONUS PICK ON THAT.

THE QUESTION IS LIKE, FOR EACH OF THESE, THEY ALL COST SOMETHING.

SO LIKE, CAN WE KNOW WHAT THEY COST IN THIS PLAN SUCH THAT THE MORE USEFUL ONES CAN BE EMPHASIZED AND THE LESS USEFUL ONES CAN BE DE-EMPHASIZED OR CANCELED IF THEY ARE NOT FISCALLY EFFICIENT? RIGHT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE COULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION.

OKAY, GREAT.

IF THAT IS THE QUESTION, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

UM, I THINK I DID NOT HAVE ANY OTHER, YEAH, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

THANKS.

YEAH.

JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR ON THAT, THIS COMMISSION HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME OVER THE PAST YEAR LOOKING AT THE COST EFFICIENCY OF REBATE PROGRAMS OFFERED BY UTILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE BEST OVERALL VALUE FOR RATE PAYERS.

RIGHT? SO WE'D BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THE AMOUNT OF REBATES COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF SAVINGS.

YES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE INTERESTED IN SAYING CENTS PER GALLON SAVING BASIS.

OKAY.

AS CHAIR ROBBINS, YOU'VE BEEN PATIENT ME, UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE, IF THIS COMMISSION IS INTERESTED,

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UH, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER A PRESENTATION IN THE FUTURE ON THE WATER FORWARD PLAN.

IN PARTICULAR, THERE WAS ONE OR THERE, THERE WAS A SET OF CHARTS THAT WATER FORWARD HAD ON WHEN WE HIT BOTTOM, UH, UNDER CERTAIN EXTREME GLOBAL WARMING SCENARIOS.

AND, UH, AS I RECALL, WHAT WE MIGHT DO, UH, UH, TO, UH, TO DEAL WITH THAT, UM, IT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO THE COMMISSION TO, UH, TO GET INTO THAT.

UH, REGARDING, UM, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHEN DO WE STOP HOOKING UP PEOPLE? WHEN DOES AUSTIN STOP GROWING? UM, THERE WAS A HISTORICAL PASSAGE IN TIME.

I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE IN THIS ROOM THAT REMEMBERS IT, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A, UH, POORLY RUNNING SEWAGE PLANT IN SOUTHWEST AUSTIN, THE WILLIAM, THE, UH, WILLIAMSON CREEK, UH, SEWAGE PLANT.

AND IT WAS OVER CAPACITY.

UH, THIS WAS I GUESS THE EARLY MID EIGHTIES.

AND THE, UH, CITY, I BELIEVE DID HAVE A MORATORIUM, UH, TO DEAL WITH THAT, UH, BECAUSE THE PLANT WAS DUMPING UNTREATED OR PARTIALLY TREATED SEWAGE INTO THE COLORADO.

UH, AND AT ONE POINT IT GOT SO COMICAL THAT THERE WERE LITERALLY SEWAGE HAULING TRUCKS THAT TOOK PARTIALLY TREATED SEWAGE FROM WILLIAMSON CREEK TO THE WORKING SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT JUST TO KEEP UP.

UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF A LITTLE ANECDOTE OF JUST HOW BAD THINGS COULD BECOME.

UH, ONE OTHER THING, AND I, UH, SHARED THIS WITH, UH, THE, UH, WATER UTILITY MANAGER A FEW MINUTES AGO.

UH, I'D LIKE, UH, THE UTILITY TO CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING A NEW RATE STRUCTURE FOR IRRIGATION CUSTOMERS, COMMERCIAL IRRIGATION CUSTOMERS.

THIS HAS BEEN DONE IN SEVERAL LARGE TEXAS CITIES.

UH, AND IT'S A GOOD MARKET INCENTIVE, UH, TO GET PEOPLE TO GET COMPANIES, TO GET CUSTOMERS TO EITHER CONSERVE OR TO HOOK UP TO RECLAIM WATER.

UH, SAN ANTONIO AS AN, AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY CHARGE IF MY INFORMATION IS CORRECT OVER TWICE AS MUCH PER THOUSAND GALLONS AS A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER, UM, UH, NORMALLY WOULD PAY.

SO FOR THE FUTURE, UM, I HAD COMMISSIONER KARA GOTTI ACTUALLY RAISE A HAND IN BETWEEN.

YES.

I'M SORRY, I AM SO LATE TO THE GAME HERE.

UM, BUT I'M ASSUMING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.

THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, AS WELL AS WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.

WE'VE MOVED UP ITEM SIX BEFORE THOSE TWO ITEMS. OKAY.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY CONTINGENCY PLAN, IF THAT'S OKAY.

GO AHEAD.

UM, SO MY QUESTION IS A CLARIFYING QUESTION ON, I BELIEVE IT'S A, UH, WAS IT A WAIVER, UM, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR NEW IRRIGATION FOR PERMITTING? ARE WE CEASING THAT THAT WOULD BE IN STAGE FOUR.

IT, IT'S 600,000 ACRE FEET.

UM, ALMOST OUR DEEPEST LEVEL OF DROUGHT.

ONE OF THE ACTIVITIES PROPOSED WOULD BE A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON SINGLE FAMILY POOLS AND, UM, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. AND THAT'S A BE A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON THE ISSUANCE OF THAT PERMIT.

SO IF A CUSTOMER ALREADY HAD A PERMIT, THEY CONTINUE TO BUILD THEIR, THEIR POOL, BUT IT'D BE A, A MORATORIUM ON THE NEW PERMITS.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO WHAT, YEAH, SO WHAT IF, WHAT IF THERE'S LIKE,

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UH, NEW DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS LANDSCAPING, UH, THAT'S COMMERCIAL OR PARK RELATED.

UM, DOES THAT ALSO STAND FOR THOSE? WELL, THAT, AT THAT POINT, UM, THEY, IN STAGE FOUR, UH, IRRIGATION OF, WHAT'S THE TERM? NON-FUNCTIONAL TURF, UH, WILL NOT BE ALLOWED.

THAT INCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT'LL INCLUDE MEDIANS, UH, OTHER AREAS THAT ARE NOT COMMUNITY RELATED AREAS OF IRRIGATED TURF.

SO WHEN YOU SAID NOT COMMUNITY RELATED, SORRY, I'M JUST GETTING CLARIFICATION.

YOU SAID NOT COMMUNITY RELATED.

SO DOES THAT EXCLUDE PARKS? LET ME FIND MY, UM, MY, SORRY.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE PARKS IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED PROGRAM ACTIVITIES ON THOSE AREAS.

IF, IF THERE TO SOCCER FIELD OR IF THERE'S A PRACTICE FIELD OR IF THERE'S AN AREA IN WHICH YOU HAVE COMMUNITY GATHERINGS REGULARLY IN THOSE AREAS.

IF IT'S JUST A LARGE OPEN SPACE, UM, IN WHICH THEY'RE NOT PROGRAMMED ORGANIZED ACTIVITIES ON THAT COULD NOT BE IRRIGATED AT THAT STAGE FOUR AT 600,000 ACRE FEET.

AND THAT'S A, UH, AC ACTION ADOPTED BY THE LCRA IN THEIR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.

SO WE'RE JUST CARRYING THAT FORWARD.

OKAY.

I'M JUST SAYING LANGUAGE IS SOMETIMES WRITTEN STRANGELY, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY IT ALL.

SO WHAT ABOUT LIKE LANDSCAPING? LIKE LANDSCAPING, LIKE NEW TREES, SAPLINGS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE IRRIGATED.

YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF A DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE DEVELOPMENTS THAT PLANT NEW PLANTS, NEW TREES, YOU KNOW, TO GET THEM STARTED, I THOUGHT I READ SOMETHING FOR THE FIRST 30 DAYS OR FIRST 60 DAYS, THEY'RE OKAY.

BUT THEN AFTER THAT, AND I'M TALKING STAGE FOUR 'CAUSE THAT'S, I THINK WHERE WE MIGHT BE HEADED.

SO RIGHT, WELL STAGE FOUR IF, IF IT'S IN A BED, THE NEW LANDSCAPING IS A BED THAT COULD BE IRRIGATED.

UM, IT, IT IS THE TURF GRASS, HOWEVER, IN STAGE FOUR, UH, COULD NOT BE IRRIGATED.

WHAT ABOUT TREES? SAPLINGS TREES, SAPLINGS COULD BE WATERED, UH, WITH HANDHELD OR SOAKER HOSES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER DAVIS, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE WATER LOSSES AND THE LEAK DETECTION.

UM, AS MY COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN MENTIONED, IT SEEMS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF, UM, OF, OF WATER USAGE.

AND, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE A CONSULTANT TRYING TO HELP UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, ARE THERE, IS THERE SUFFICIENT TECHNOLOGY, UM, TODAY IN TERMS OF LEAK DETECTION, DATA COLLECTION, METERING, UM, HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, ALL OF THAT? UM, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS MAYBE OUT OF DATE? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO IS IDENTIFY CAPITAL, UM, CAPITAL EXPENDITURES OR PROGRAMS, UH, OR PROJECTS THAT WILL HELP US ACHIEVE SOME OF THESE GOALS INCLUDING WATER CONSERVATION.

SO, UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY AND HARDWARE SOFTWARE THAT YOU HAVE FOR THAT? SURE.

WE HAVE BEEN UTILIZING DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES IN TERMS OF, OF LEAK DETECTION, WHETHER THAT'S ON THE GROUND, UM, WITH LISTENING DEVICES OR EVEN SATELLITE UTILIZING SATELLITES TO LOOK FOR THAT.

UM, WITH VARYING DEGREES OF SUCCESS.

WE'VE HAD PILOTS ON THAT.

UM, SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES.

ONE OF, I THINK WHAT MAY BE A VERY EFFECTIVE, UM, TECHNOLOGY IN LOOKING AT WATER LOSS, UH, WILL BE OUR, MY TX WATER SYSTEM, THE SMART METER SYSTEM.

UM, IN WHICH ONCE WE GET IT FULLY BUILT OUT AND AND SEPARATED INTO DISTRICTS, THEN WE COULD GET A MUCH MORE, MAYBE NOT REAL TIME, BUT SLIGHTLY DELAYED LOOK AT WHERE WE MAY BE LOSING WATER, UH, BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT METERS.

AND THAT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL? WELL, IT'D BE FOR OUR, OUR SYSTEM.

FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM BEFORE IT'S THE CUSTOMERS.

OKAY.

I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD, WE, WE USE A VARIETY OF TECHNOLOGIES RIGHT NOW, UH, RELATED TO, UM, BOTH LEAK DETECTION ALSO, UM, UM, PIPE INSPECTIONS.

UM,

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WE DO A LOT OF CONDITION ASSESSMENT THROUGHOUT OUR SYSTEM.

SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF TECHNOLOGIES AND TECHNIQUES THAT WE DO CURRENTLY USE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, THE CHALLENGE TO US IS TO CONTINUE TO UP THAT GAME.

I MEAN, CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO INVEST IN AREAS WHERE IT DOES MAKE SENSE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FIND LEAKS.

UM, FRANKLY, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST, UM, LEAK REDUCTION ACTIVITIES IS A VERY QUICK RESPONSE TO CALLED IN LEAKS.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES AS FAR AS OUR CREWS OUT IN THE FIELD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, WE DO IN FACT HAVE ACTUAL METRICS FOR HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET TO PRIORITY ONE LEAKS IN THE FIELD.

SO CERTAINLY TECHNOLOGY HELPS, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR ALL OPPORTUNITIES TO TRY TO IMPROVE AND USE THAT.

AGAIN, OUR A MI SYSTEM, OUR, MY A TX WATER SYSTEM WILL BE ANOTHER, UM, PLATFORM THAT WE CAN USE AT A RESIDENTIAL LEVEL.

WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY EVENTUALLY TO MOVE TO DISTRICT SCALE TYPE METERING, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY CORDON OFF DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR SYSTEM TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE LEAKS MAY BE MORE PREVALENT.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD, WE CURRENTLY HAVE PRESSURE SENSOR MONITORING IN OUR SYSTEMS. WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO EXPAND OUR CURRENT, MY A TX WATER SYSTEM TO INCLUDE MORE PRESSURE MONITORING.

SO ALL OF THOSE ARE ON THE LIST.

UM, AGAIN, AS KEVIN MENTIONED, WE HAVE A CONSULTANT SORT OF IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW HELPING US EVALUATE OUR CURRENT PRACTICES AND LOOK FOR KIND OF WHERE OUR BEST OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT.

THANK YOU ALL THAT ALL THAT IS GREAT.

AND I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL AT ALL.

I'M, I'M ACTUALLY ASKING IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO FOR LACK OF RESOURCES.

UM, I'D LOVE TO KNOW.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE ARE INVOLVED IN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING INFORMATION TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, IMPROVEMENT PLANNING PROCESS.

SO, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT ON THE LIST.

COMMISSIONER SARITA IS, WOULD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE BEFORE THIS PLAN IS, UH, VOTED ON TO GET A CONCRETE PLAN ABOUT THE, UM, HOW THE WATER LOSS IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL AS THE ORDERED LIST OF EFFECTIVENESS OF UM, CONSERVATION PROGRAMS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER? WELL, NOT TO SPEAK OUTTA TURN FOR MY BOSSES, BUT WELL, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, THE REALITY IS THIS PLAN WILL SET OUR GOALS AND THEN FROM THOSE GOALS WE WILL DEVELOP WORK PLANS TO TRY TO MEET THOSE GOALS.

UM, I'VE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO WATER LOSS CONTROL, UM, THAT PROCESS IS, IS, IS GOING, BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS BEFORE THAT PROCESS IS FINISHED.

SO WE'RE IN THAT AWKWARD REALITY OF HAVING TO TURN IN SOMETHING WITH SOME ASPIRATIONAL GOALS TO TCEQ, UM, BUT THEN STEP BACK AND WORK ON THE ACTUAL TACTICAL PLANS TO TRY TO MEET THOSE GOALS.

SO JUST FOR A CLARIFICATION, SO IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO DETERMINE THE BEST STRATEGY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIND LEAKS, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, .

GOOD EVENING, SHAA, RAWLS ROON, DIRECTOR OF AUSTIN WATER.

UM, SO I, I JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE, THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE'RE IN.

SO OUR PLANS ARE DUE, UH, WE DO THESE PLANS EVERY FIVE YEARS.

UM, BUT ALL OF THESE STRATEGIES THAT ARE IN OUR PLANS ARE ONGOING WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR DECADES AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO AND CONTINUE TO INVEST IN.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR WATER LOSS PROGRAM AND ALL OF THE STRATEGIES THAT WE USE, AND KEVIN COVERED THOSE VERY WELL, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THOSE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON LOWERING OUR WATER LOSS IN OUR SYSTEM.

UM, AND, UH, AND THAT WILL HAPPEN REGARDLESS OF, OF, UM, OF THE TIME STEP OF THE EVERY FIVE YEARS PLAN.

SO THIS PLAN DOES NOT LIMIT US IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO IN THE FUTURE.

IT JUST SETS OUR GOALS, UM, ESTABLISHES THE FACT THAT WE ARE INVESTED IN CONTINUING TO, UH, TO REDUCE OVERALL WATER USE, IMPROVE OUR WATER, USE EFFICIENCY AND REDUCE OUR WATER LOSS IF I MAY.

BUT THIS IS A CITIZEN CHECKPOINT, SO TO SPEAK, OF THOSE PLANS.

UM, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S EXACTLY THE RIGHT TIME AND ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE TO ASK FOR THAT KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY BEFORE APPROVING ANYTHING.

I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE GOALS, YOU KNOW, NOW EFFECTIVELY OF LIKE WHAT, OF REDUCING WASTE AND YEAH, THE OTHER THING I ASKED ABOUT THAT ORDERING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAMS. SO DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE I I IT DOES FEEL LIKE THE RIGHT TIME TO LIKE HIT THE

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BRAKES AND SAY THAT'S WE NEED THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.

UH, WELL WE ARE, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, UM, AND, AND PROVIDE YOU ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

I THINK WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR SO FAR TONIGHT IS THE, UM, THE COST THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON THE REBATE PROGRAM AND HOW MUCH THAT IS SAVING, UM, THOSE INCENTIVES.

AND THEN, UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ON THE, UM, WATER LOSS PROGRAM IS WHAT IS THE RESULTS OF THE, OF THE STUDY THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF RIGHT NOW AND WHAT ASPECTS OF THAT STUDY WE'LL BE IMPLEMENTING GOING INTO THE FUTURE.

IS THAT RIGHT? I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, JUST WHAT IS THE GOAL? LIKE WHAT IS THE REALISTIC EXPECTATION OVER THE NEXT AMOUNT OF TIME TO REDUCE LOSSES? BY AND I, AT THE RISK OF TRYING TO ANSWER FOR YOU, PLEASE, I'M GONNA TRY TO ANSWER FOR YOU.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOUR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN DOES INCLUDE GOALS AND IT DOES INCLUDE SOME DATA.

HOWEVER, THOSE ARE BURIED HALFWAY THROUGH A 50 PAGE DOCUMENT.

SO, AND, AND THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE POWERPOINT THAT YOU GAVE US.

SO IT'S GREAT THAT YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE BASELINES AND YOU HAVE TOLD US ON PAGES 27 AND 28 WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE FOR CONSERVATION REDUCTION AND FOR WATER LOSS REDUCTION.

BUT THERE IS NO REASON THAT MOST OF US WHO GOT THOSE DOCUMENTS THIS AFTERNOON, THIS MORNING WOULD'VE EVER FOUND THEM.

SO I KNOW YOU HAVE GOALS 'CAUSE I READ THEM IN YOUR, IN YOUR DRAFT DOCUMENTS.

THE PROBLEM IS YOU DIDN'T TELL US EFFECTIVELY WHAT THOSE WERE.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SORT OF RETHINK WHERE YOU PUT THE MOST IMPORTANT NUMBERS THAT FOLKS LIKE US AND OUR COLLEAGUES IN, IN THE PUBLIC ARE GONNA BE ASKING FOR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.

UM, ALSO, I'LL JUST REMIND FOLKS, WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE RECOGNIZED 'CAUSE PAUL HAS BEEN CHOPPING AT THE BIT TO BE ABLE TO GET A WORD IN AND THEN YOU SNUCK IN ON HIM.

SO PAUL , WELL SHE'S ALLISON AND SHE GETS TO DO THAT.

UH, I I GUESS I JUST HAVE, UH, TWO COMMENTS TO DEAL WITH.

COMMISSIONER SERITA.

UH, TECHNICALLY YOU ARE CORRECT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE TIME.

THEY DIDN'T, THEY'RE ON A TIME SCHEDULE.

UH, IN THIS CASE I'M GONNA VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE, UH, AS THE SAYING GOES, UH, THE PERFECT IS THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD.

UH, BUT YOUR CONCERNS ARE VALID AND I URGE THE WATER UTILITY TO GIVE US MORE ADVANCE IN THE FUTURE.

PLEASE.

UH, THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY IS THAT, UH, AND THIS IS JUST A, A BENCHMARK, BUT I BELIEVE THAT TOKYO IS THE GOLD STANDARD.

AT ONE POINT, UH, THE CITY HAD A 3% LEAKAGE RATE.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT, BUT AT ONE TIME THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD ATTAINED.

UH, THAT SHOULD BE OUR ASPIRATIONAL GOAL.

AND I WOULD PRO LIKE TO JUST PUT A SMALL BOW ON THIS BY BASICALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS IS ESSENTIALLY YESTERDAY WAS APRIL 15TH, IT WAS TAX DUE DAY.

YOU HAD TO SEND SOMETHING TO THE IRS AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO AMEND DOWN THE LINE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO SEE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR US TO HAVE A, A BETTER IDEA OF, OF WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THIS REALLY LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

'CAUSE YEAH, TO PAUL'S POINT, HE'S TALKING ABOUT TOKYO WITH A HYPOTHETICAL 3%, UM, YOU KNOW, SHRINKAGE RATE OR WHATEVER.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OUR GOAL, WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

BUT I CAN ALSO TELL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL.

WE DO NOT HAVE PRIMACY ON THIS ONE.

TECHNICALLY PRIMACY IS ON THE WASTE AND WASTEWATER COMMISSION WHO MEETS TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THIS.

UM, SO IF YOU DO HAVE REAL CONCERNS AND RESERVATIONS, YOU'RE ABLE TO VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE AND IT WOULD NOT TECHNICALLY CAUSE A PROBLEM.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS AN OPTION TO YOU IF THIS WAS THAT UPSETTING TO YOU.

THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I SAW SOMEBODY RAISE A HAND ONLINE AND I COULDN'T SEE WHO IT WAS.

ERICA, UH, THAT'S COMMISSIONER KARA GOTTI.

THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD.

I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF EMAILS TODAY AND I HAVE WORK IN BETWEEN EVERYTHING, SO I JUST WANTED TO REQUEST THAT AUSTIN WATER, UM, IF THEY COULD EMAIL US, UH, A COPY OF THE CURRENT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN WITH THE ADDED CHANGES TO EVERYONE.

UH, JUST SO WE'RE ALL SO I CAN JUST GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.

SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE DOCUMENT FROM FIVE YEARS AGO, THE ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING UNDER THE LAST ITERATION OF THIS? YES.

I WANT THE CUR.

YES, I'M LOOKING FOR THE CURRENT ONE AND THEN THE CHANGES.

'CAUSE ALL IT SAYS IS

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THE CHANGES.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN PLACE.

LIKE CAN YEAH, I'M GETTING SURE WE CAN PROVIDE, PROVIDE THE CURRENT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED FIVE YEARS AGO.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME PEOPLE.

THANK YOU.

RESUMING

[3. Recommend approval of a resolution adopting the Water Conservation Plan, as required by the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, and repealing Resolution No. 20190411-002.]

OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE WASTEWATER CONSERVATION PLAN.

YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKETS IN FRONT OF YOU.

YOU'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT