* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] IT'S, UH, TWO COUPLE OF MINUTES AFTER TWO O'CLOCK. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A QUORUM IN ATTENDANCE, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK NICOLE TO CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CURRY HERE. COMMISSIONER MCNABB? HERE. COMMISSIONER DIAZ? HERE. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. COMMISSIONER LUCA, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I SAW HER HAND NOW. OKAY. HERE. COMMISSIONER MI HORSE. HERE. COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ. HERE. COMMISSIONER WEAVER. AND COMMISSIONER RINN. [CALL TO ORDER] WE HAVE OUR QUORUM. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS? NO, SIR. IF NOT, [1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] THEN THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL. OF THE MINUTES YOU'VE HAD. THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED. UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? NO. HEARING NONE. DO I AIR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY? YES. I'LL SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. SEEING NONE, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES CARRIES. UM, ONE OTHER ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAS, UH, RESIGNED IN THE PROCESS OF RESIGNING COMMISSIONER WEAVER, AND WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VILA HAS APPOINTED KENNETH STANLEY, UH, BUT HE'S NOT COMPLETED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BEING ABLE TO VOTE. AND COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, I WAS JUST INFORMED RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING AS APPOINTED JC DYER. UH, SO THOSE TWO FOLKS HOPEFULLY WILL BE JOINING US FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. FIRST DISCUSSION [2. Discussion on feedback on the Capital Project Public Improvement Bond Dashboard] ITEM IS FEEDBACK ON THE CAPITAL PROJECTS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT BOND DASHBOARD. STEVEN, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD AND CHAIR THE PRESENT TAPE. ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE AGAIN AFTER A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. MM-HMM, . SO THIS IS THE OVERVIEW. UM, LIKE CHAIRMAN CURRY SAID, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THE DASHBOARD AND GIVE YOU A SHORT UPDATE OF WHERE THAT STANDS. I'LL GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE 2016 MOBILITY BOND, UM, EXECUTION THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED. AND THEN WE WILL SHIFT GEARS, TALK ABOUT A PROPOSED RESOLUTION AND SHIFT TO ELECTIONS. AND THEN, UM, WRAP UP WITH SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SO, WITH THAT SAID, LET'S TALK ABOUT DASHBOARD. UM, A FEW MONTHS AGO I GAVE YOU A OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THE CPE CAPITAL PROJECTS EXPLORER, THE PLATFORM THAT CITY OF AUSTIN CURRENTLY USES. UM, IT IS, IT DOES HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD CAPABILITIES IN THAT IT'S TIED TO GIS MAPPING. SO DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO SORT OR HOW YOU WANNA SEARCH, YOU CAN LOOK FOR PROJECTS BY TITLE, UH, IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC ONE YOU HAVE INTEREST IN, OR YOU COULD SEARCH GEOGRAPHICALLY IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IN A CERTAIN CORRIDOR, IT'S LIMITED IN THAT THE INFORMATION IS NOT NECESSARILY UPDATED IN REAL TIME TO WHAT OUR, UM, PROJECT MANAGERS ARE WORKING ON, OR ENGINEERS THAT HAS TO BE MANUALLY UPDATED IN SOME CASES. SO IT'S A GOOD BASIC REFERENCE, BUT IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE STATE OF THE ART. AND WHAT I SHARED WITH YOU AT THE SAME TIME WAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WANNA WORK TOWARD. UM, THE EXAMPLE WE USED IN FACT WAS WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS USES FOR THEIR, UM, DASHBOARD TO PROVIDE THAT SAME INFORMATION. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY, UM, FROM A, FROM AN INTERFACE STANDPOINT, UM, A LITTLE MORE INTUITIVE. AND IT ALLOWS THE USER TO, TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THE PROJECTS THEY WANT SEE WITH, UH, A MINIMUM OF, OF DIFFERENT CLICKS. AND IT ALLOWS SORTING DIFFERENT PARAMETERS TO BE SET UP TO USE. AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE HOW ALL OH, SIDEWALK PROJECTS ARE DOING, FOR INSTANCE. SO WE SAID THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE. WE THINK WE CAN MAKE OUR CURRENT SYSTEM BETTER IF WE MOVE IT IN LINE WITH, UM, WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS DOING. SO OUR IT TEAM IN THE CDS DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT. NOW, GREAT NEWS, OUR [00:05:01] NEW CITY MANAGER IS COMING DOWN FROM DALLAS AND HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PLATFORM AND IS A BIG, UM, ADVOCATE. IT MAKES SENSE AND IT WAS EFFECTIVE FOR HOW THINGS WERE SET UP THERE AND HOW DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS COULD USE THAT SAME, UM, SNAPSHOT. SO WITH THAT FURTHER INCENTIVE, OUR DEPARTMENT IS NOW REALLY BURNING THE MIDNIGHT OIL, AND I EXPECT WE WILL, WE WILL ROLL OUT A, UM, A VERSION 1.0, UM, VERY SOON, PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, WHERE THAT INITIAL CAPABILITY IS THERE. WE UNDERSTAND AND WHY WE THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE SOME OF THOSE LIVE LINKS WERE AVAILABLE. SOME OF THE FILTERING OPTIONS WERE, WERE WORKING PERFECTLY. SO WE THINK WE WANNA RELEASE A, A SIMPLE VERSION. IT MAY NOT HAVE AS MANY SCREENS AS WE'LL END UP WITH, BUT WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S FAMILIAR, UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY MORE USER FRIENDLY TO BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND TO THE PUBLIC. AND WE'LL MAKE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENTS AS WE GO. SO REALLY JUST TO SAY WE ARE ARE, UM, NOT ONLY WORKING ON THIS, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT WITH A RENEWED SENSE OF URGENCY. WE WILL, I'LL GIVE YOU UPDATES AS IT'S AVAILABLE AND AS SOON AS THERE'S A LIVE LINK I CAN SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. SO YOU CAN GO IN AND START TAKING A LOOK YOURSELF. AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE BRING INTO THIS FORUM. I KNOW I'M SURE THAT YOU TOLD US BEFORE, BUT BEING OLD, UM, I'VE FORGOTTEN. UM, IS THIS AUTOMATICALLY UPDATED AS OPPOSED TO HAVING PROJECT MANAGERS HAVING TO ENTER INFORMATION OR IT WILL BE. THAT'S THE WAY THE NEW ARCHITECTURE IS GONNA BE SET UP. SO THE, ANY PROJECT THAT YOU CLICK ONTO WILL REACH BACK INTO THAT EPR PROJECT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND WHATEVER'S CURRENT IN THAT DATABASE WILL BE THE SAME THING THAT A PUBLIC USER WILL SEE WHEN THEY GO TO THIS DASHBOARD. AND CAPRI IS BEING UPDATED AS WELL TIED TO THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. AND WHEN A DOLLAR IS SPENT, IT SAYS IN CAPRI. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANKS. OKAY. [3. Discussion on the progress of the 2016 Mobility Bond execution] ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ON THE 2016 MOBILITY BOND, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW THE CAPABILITY THAT WE COULD BRING TO FUTURE MEETINGS IF THIS WAS OF INTEREST. UM, ALSO, I, I BELIEVE LAST TIME WE MET, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT HEALTH ASSESSMENTS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO CONDUCT MONTHLY WITH OUR VARIOUS BOND PROJECT CUSTOMERS. THE MOBILITY BOND IS ONE THAT'S PRETTY MATURE NOW. WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH, WITH THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS TEAM SINCE SEPTEMBER. AND WE USUALLY KICK THOSE MEETINGS OFF WITH THIS VERY HIGH LEVEL, UM, MOBILITY BOND STATUS. NOW THIS ONE LOOKS AT THE, UM, 2016 BOND ONLY, BUT WE CAN ALSO ENROLL ALL THREE CURRENT BONDS UP. SO WE COULD SHOW THIS THE SAME SNAPSHOT FOR THE 20 16, 18 AND 20 BOND IF WE CHOSE, AND I'LL OPEN UP A LIVE LINK HERE IF I CAN NAVIGATE TO IT, MAYBE NOT WITHOUT THAT MOUSE. OH, SORRY, I DON'T WANNA BOG IT DOWN. OKAY. ESSENTIALLY, AND THIS, THAT LINK WILL BE LIVE SO THAT YOU, WHEN YOU REFER BACK TO THIS PRESENTATION, UM, THE COMMISSION COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, BUT THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE TOOL ITSELF AND IT, THE FILTERING CAPABILITIES ALLOW YOU THEN TO, AGAIN, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE ENTIRE OUTSTANDING BOND PROGRAM. YOU COULD LOOK AT JUST THE 2016, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU CAN DRILL DOWN INTO SPECIFIC MOBILITY BOND PROGRAMS. SO YOU COULD LOOK AT SUBSTANDARD STREETS, YOU COULD LOOK AT URBAN TRAILS, YOU LOOK AT SIDEWALKS, UM, SIGNALS AND INTERSECTIONS. YOU CAN BREAK IT DOWN, UM, INTO THE REGIONAL MOBILITY PROJECTS. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE AGGREGATE FOR ALL THOSE VARIOUS, UM, MOBILITY SUB-PROGRAMS. UM, $720 MILLION BOND FROM 2016. AND THE SNAPSHOT, AS OF THE DATE WE PULLED THIS REPORT, UM, LAST WEEK WAS 465 MILLION OF THAT IS OBLIGATED. AND THERE ARE $387 MILLION OF EXPENSES. SO OUR SPEND PLAN IS THE SMOOTH CURVE THAT TAKES US UP THROUGH 20 OH, ABOUT MIDYEAR OF FY 27 UP AT THE TOP THERE. AND OUR ACTUALS, THE OBLIGATIONS AND EXPENSES ARE, ARE SHOWN TRACKING TOWARD THAT. SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE SIT DOWN WITH OUR PROJECT MANAGERS AND THE PROGRAM MANAGERS OF TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS EVERY MONTH. WE THEN WILL PULL UP ANY SPECIFIC PROJECTS WHERE WE, WE KNOW THERE'S EITHER A CONCERN OR A GOOD NEWS STORY OR SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS IMPACTING THE, THE SPEED OF THE END, THE PROJECT DELIVERY. BUT HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE SNAPSHOT. SO WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE THIS PART OF, UM, PART OF OUR UPDATE EVERY MONTH. WE CAN DRILL DOWN INTO SPECIFIC PROGRAMS IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN LOOKING AT THAT. BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S OUR CAPABILITY AT LEAST TO SEE PROGRESS. UM, AND [00:10:01] IT'S UPDATED, UH, DAILY. WE USUALLY PULL THE REPORTS ABOUT EVERY WEEK, AND WE INCLUDE THEM IN OUR PRESENTATIONS TO TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS AT THE END OF EACH MONTH. QUESTIONS, THE, THE BASELINE, THE BASELINE SPIN? YES, SIR. UH, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROJECTED, YES. OKAY. AND SO WE'RE OFF OF THAT QUITE A BIT. WE ARE O OVERALL ABOUT THREE YEARS. I'M SORRY, O OVERALL ABOUT THREE YEARS BEHIND. YES. FOR THE ORIGINAL EIGHT YEAR SPEND PLAN. IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT, IF YOU ARE, IF WE PROJECT OUT WHEN WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING BASED ON THE SPEND PLAN THAT WE JUST UPDATED, IT WOULD TAKE US OUT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, UM, CLOSE TO 2027 MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. GOT A QUESTION. WHAT, UM, TO THAT END RIGHT. WHAT, UM, HOW ABOUT WE KNOW WHEN THIS WAS LAST UPDATED. IS THERE LIKE A, A LAST UPDATED TIMESTAMP? THERE IS. IT'S PROBABLY TOO SMALL FOR YOU TO SEE, BUT IT'S OKAY. THE APRIL 11TH IS, UM, IT'S THE CURRENT ONE WE PULLED, BUT WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IF, IF THAT'S A REPORT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY INCLUDE THAT THIS MORNING. JUST, JUST AS LONG AS IT'S ON THERE. YEAH. SO YEAH, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY APRIL 13. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, HOW CAN YOU TELL HOW MUCH IS BEING, UH, WORKED ON? BECAUSE YOU HAVE, HOW MUCH IS BEEN SPENT AND HOW MUCH HAS BEEN ENCUMBERED, BUT THEN THERE'S A, ISN'T THERE LIKE ANOTHER CA CATEGORY LIKE WORK IN PROGRESS? SO THE, THE BASELINE SPEND, THAT BLUE LINE THAT ACTUALLY TAKES YOU ALL THE WAY UP TO THE $720 MILLION TOTAL, UM, OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS IS THE CURRENT PLAN. SO THAT'S WHAT OUR PROJECT MANAGERS ARE WORKING TOWARD. THAT'S AS OF, OH, I WANNA SAY WITHIN THE PAST THREE WEEKS AS WE WERE BUILDING OUT THE NEXT FIVE YEAR SPEND PLAN AND LOOKING AT THE, THE FIVE YEAR BUDGET THAT WAS UPDATED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO THAT'S A ROLLING ANNUAL UPDATE. SO CURRENTLY THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECT MANAGERS PROJECT, ALL, ALL OF THE DOLLARS IN THE PROGRAM UP THE FULL 720 MILLION ARE PLANNED OR TARGETED AGAINST SPECIFIC PROJECTS. AND THAT CURVE SHOWS WHERE THEY EXPECT TO BE SPENT. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT EXPENSED OR OBLIGATED RIGHT NOW IS INTENDED TO BE SPENT. AND THAT ONE LINE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 720 SHOWS, AT WHAT POINT OUR PLANNERS BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE EXPENSED EITHER FINISHING OUT DESIGN OR FINISHING OUT CONSTRUCTION. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES ARE ON THESE PROJECTS HAVE PAY APPS WHERE EVERY MONTH THEY'RE SUBMITTING A, AN INVOICE FOR A CHUNK OF THE WORK. AND SO IS THAT THE BLUE LINE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? OR, UH, BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S ABOUT A 30 DAY WINDOW PENDING PAYMENT. SO THE SPEND OR THE PROJECTED SPEND IS PROBABLY WHAT, 30 DAYS BEHIND? IT COULD BE UP TO THAT 30 DAY, UM, PAY UP. SO WE'RE, WE'RE LAGGING BEHIND THAT. SO THAT DOESN'T JUST, THE BLUE LINE THAT I MENTIONED IS OUR CITY'S PLAN FOR WHEN WE EXPECT WE'RE GONNA SEE THOSE BILLS AND WHEN THAT MONEY'S GOING TO BE SPENT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET, UM, CAPTURED AT LEAST IN, IN THIS SNAPSHOT REPORT SHOWING WHERE OUR CURRENT OBLIGATIONS ARE AGAINST WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE WITHIN THE PAST 30 DAYS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO THE, AS AS I READ THIS AND I'M TESTING TO SEE IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, PLEASE, THE ENTIRE PROPOSITION HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED AT THIS POINT. I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE APPROPRIATIONS. UM, YES. OKAY. YEAH, THE STAIR STEP OF THE, THAT TOP GREEN LINE UHHUH OVER THE YEARS IS THE TOTAL, THE STEPS IN WHICH IT WAS APPROPRIATED. SO AS OF, OH, EVEN GOING BACK TO 2022, I THINK WAS THE LAST TIME. BUT IT'S FULLY APPROPRIATED, UH, EXPENSES BEING CASH OUT THE DOOR. YES, SIR. AND OBLIGATED MEANING DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CASH OUT THE DOOR. IT IS THE REMAINING ENCUMBRANCES. IT'S THE ENCUMBRANCES, YES. SO THEN I'M LOOKING AT THOSE TWO NUMBERS TOGETHER, WHICH WOULD INDICATE THAT THE ENTIRE, UM, BOND ISSUE HAS BEEN BOTH [00:15:01] APPROPRIATED AND IS NOW ENCUMBERED. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I'M SORRY, I MISSPOKE. SO THE OBLIGATED IS THE, THE TOP LINE THERE. UM, THAT'S THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT'S EXPENDED IS THE CASH OUT THE DOOR AGAINST THAT OBLIGATION OF 465 MILLION. SO, SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. SO OF THE ENTIRE SEVEN, OF THE 720 MILLION MILLION, UM, ONLY, ONLY ONLY 465. ONLY 65 MILLION YES. HAS BEEN OBLIGATED TO DATE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE'S STILL CONTRACTS THAT'S THE DELTA REMAINING TO BE, TO GET OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. YES, SIR. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT SAID, UH, CHAIRMAN CURRY, I WILL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO YOU AND OKAY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE, [4. Discussion on the proposed resolution for the Bond Oversight Commission to submit to Council] UH, THE NEXT ITEM DISCUSSION ITEM IS A PROPOSED RESOLUTION. IT IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY AS A DISCUSSION NOT FOR ACTION. UM, AND I WANTED TO WALK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS, SEE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, UPDATES, UH, CONCERNS. AND THE INTENT IS THAT IT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION AT OUR NEXT MEETING. AND THAT THAT NEXT MEETING WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A BRIEFING FROM THE FINANCIAL FOLKS, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THE ISSUES AROUND THE, UM, AROUND THE BOND SALE. I THINK EVERYBODY, BOTH, UH, HERE IN THE, UM, MEETING ROOM AS WELL AS THOSE AT HOME, HAVE A COPY AVAILABLE OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION. IS THAT CORRECT? ANYBODY NOT HAVE THAT? SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS, UM, AND PLEASE, UH, STOP ME AT ANY POINT, UM, THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION. UH, THE WHERE AS IS ARE, UH, IN THE DRAFT ARE BASED ON THE ORDINANCE THAT COUNCIL PASSED, ESTABLISHING THE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMISSION. THAT WAS DONE. YOU CAN TELL BY THE ORDINANCE NUMBER THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2015. CITY COUNCIL PASSED AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMISSION AND LIKE OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT ORDINANCE SET OUT, UM, WHAT THE MISSION OF THE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMISSION WAS. I HAVE, I HAVE QUOTED PART OF THAT ENSURING QUOTE, EFFICIENCY, EQUITY, TIMELINESS AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF EXISTING AND FUTURE CITY BOND PROGRAMS. UM, SO THEN THE, THE ADDITIONAL WHEREAS IS SET OUT THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THAT MISSION, EFFICIENCY, EQUITY, TIMELINESS, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THEN LEAD UP TO, UM, THE THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR FROM ANYONE ON THE BACKGROUND? SO NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPTS A FOUR POINT FRAMEWORK FOR MONITORING THE CITY'S BOND PROGRAMS CONSISTING OF THE ANNUAL BOND SALE, THE STATUS OF EACH YEAR, EACH FISCAL YEAR'S ADOPTED CAPITAL BUDGET, THE STATUS OF ESTABLISHED BENCHMARKS FOR PROJECTS INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT CAPITAL BUDGET, AS WELL AS THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND THE EXPERIENCE OF CAPITAL PROJECT STAFF ON THE CURRENT YEAR PROJECTS. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR POINTS, AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THOSE UP INDIVIDUALLY AND EXPLAIN, UM, BOTH THE IMPORTANCE OF 'EM AND HOW WE WOULD, UM, WHAT INFORMATION WE WOULD LI WE WOULD SEEK TO GET FROM THAT FRAMEWORK. STARTING WITH THE ANNUAL BOND SALE, AS THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR A WHILE, KNOW THAT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT COMES TO THE COMMISSION EVERY YEAR WITH A PROPOSED ANNUAL BOND SALE. IN THE LAST, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS, COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED, UM, A DESIRE ON THE PART OF SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO HAVE ANOTHER [00:20:01] BOND ELECTION. THIS HAS LED TO A DISCUSSION OF THE CITY'S FINANCIAL POLICIES. UM, AND AT OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, UM, WE'LL, AS PART OF THE BACKUP FOR THE NEXT MEETING, I WANT TO, FOR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE THAT PART OF THE FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT SPECIFICALLY DEAL WITH GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT SERVICE. THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS FINANCIAL POLICIES, UM, BY MAJORITY VOTE AND CAN CHANGE FINANCIAL POLICIES, UH, WHENEVER THEY WISH. I THINK BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE, EITHER THE BUDGET OR THE AUDIT DOCUMENT EACH YEAR INCLUDES A SECTION ON WHICH FINANCIAL POLICIES THE CITY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH AND WHICH, UH, FINANCIAL POLICIES THEY ARE NOT. THE FINANCIAL POLICIES BECAME PART OF THAT DISCUSSION ON HAVING ANOTHER, UH, BOND ELECTION. UM, BECAUSE OF, UM, ONE OF THE FINANCIAL POLICIES, WHICH I'LL READ, THE TIMING OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ELECTION SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE INVENTORY OF CURRENT AUTHORIZED UNISSUED BONDS REMAINING TO BE SOLD. AN ESTIMATED TWO YEARS OF AUTHORIZED UNISSUED BONDS SHALL REMAIN BEFORE AN ELECTION WILL BE HELD. THE PURPOSE OF US, UH, INCLUDING THE BOND SALE AS PART OF OUR MONITORING FRAMEWORK, IS TO FIND A WAY TO INFORM COUNSEL HOW THE PROPOSED BOND SALE IMPACTS THE AUTHORIZED BUT ANIS, THE REMAINING AUTHORIZED BUT UNISSUED BONDS SO THAT COUNSEL HAS THE INFORMATION, UM, THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS THE, AT LEAST WITHIN THE FINANCIAL POLICY, WHEN THE NEXT BOND ELECTION MIGHT BE HELD. UM, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT COUNCIL CONSIDERS IN CALLING A BOND ELECTION. UH, THE FINANCIAL POLICY IS ONE OF THEM, AND THAT PARTICULAR, UM, PIECE OF THE FRAMEWORK, UM, IS SET OUT IN THE SECOND BE IT RESOLVED, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE COMMISSION WILL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL EACH YEAR AT THE TIME OF THE FINANCIAL FORECAST ON BOND SALE SCHEDULES CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S ADOPTED FINANCIAL POLICIES. I DID NOT KNOW WHEN I DRAFTED THIS, THAT THE FINANCIAL FORECAST WAS DELIVERED YESTERDAY, . BUT IN TALKING WITH FINANCE PEOPLE YESTERDAY, I BECAME AWARE OF THAT. THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THIS IS CURRENTLY WORDED IS THE USE OF THE WORD BOND SALE SCHEDULES. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE ASKED THE FINANCIAL FOLKS IN THE NEXT MEETING, UH, TO INCLUDE IN THEIR PRESENTATION IS AN EXPLANATION FOR BACKGROUND, UH, ON HOW THEY GO ABOUT DETERMINING THE BOND SALE EACH YEAR. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT. UM, THE FINANCIAL FOLKS, UH, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRY WITH LABELING THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING AS A BOND SALE SCHEDULE. UM, I THINK WHERE WE WILL PROBABLY END UP IS SOMETHING LIKE, UH, INFORMING COUNSEL THAT THE PROPOSED BOND SALE RESULTS IN X AMOUNT OF REMAINING AUTHORIZED, BUT, BUT UNISSUED BONDS RATHER THAN TRYING TO LAY OUT A BOND SALE SCHEDULE THAT WOULD ENABLE COUNSEL UNDER THIS FINANCIAL POLICY TO HAVE ELECTION AT ANY GIVEN YEAR IN THE FUTURE. UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FINANCIAL FOLKS WILL BE MORE COMFORTABLE RATHER THAN US. UH, LABELING SOMETHING AS [00:25:01] A BOND SALE SCHEDULE, ALL THAT'S BEING DETERMINED AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS THAT YEAR'S BOND SALE. THE IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL IS, OKAY, IF THIS IS THIS YEAR'S BOND SALE, THEN HOW MUCH AUTHORIZED BUT UNI, BUT UNISSUED, DO WE STILL HAVE AFTER THIS BOND SALE, UH, WITHOUT SAYING WHAT YEAR THOSE DO, THOSE BONDS WILL BE SOLD IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THAT DECISION WILL BE MADE AGAIN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT SOMEHOW WE NEED TO OVERLAY THE ELECTION SCHEDULE TO THE, UH, TO THE, TO THIS SCHEDULE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THE BOND RATING WAS OR IS, UM, AT THE POINT, EACH ONE OF THOSE BONDS WERE LET, SO THAT THEY SEE, UH, VERY CLEARLY WHAT THE TREND IS AND WHAT THEIR COST OF MONEY'S GONNA BE. SO ON THE FIRST POINT, I THINK I'M CORRECT IN SAYING THAT THERE IS NOT A BOND ELECTION SCHEDULE. THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, CALLS A BOND ELECTION, UM, AND THEY MAY HAVE A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A BOND ELECTION AT A CERTAIN TIME, GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF STEPS APPOINTING A A, A BOND ADVISORY COMMISSION, HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, ET CETERA, UM, BUT IN ADVANCE OF THAT BOND ELECTION. BUT THERE'S NO ESTABLISHED, I THINK I MISSPOKE THERE. OKAY. UM, WHAT I MEANT WAS, SO THE BOND ELECTIONS WILL COINCIDE WITH EITHER EVERY TWO YEARS OR EVERY FOUR YEARS, CORRECT. WHEN THERE'S A MAYORAL ELECTION OR A, UH, A COUNCIL ELECTION? NO, MA'AM. THE BOND ELECTIONS, UH, CAN BE HELD. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO CALL A BOND ELECTION AT ANY TIME. THIS FINANCIAL POLICY SAYS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT CALL A BOND ELECTION UNTIL THE AITE ISSUED CAN BE SOLD IN TWO YEARS. BUT COUNSEL CAN CHANGE THE FINANCIAL POLICY. UH, COUNSEL DOES NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE FINANCIAL POLICY, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE NOTED THAT THE ACTION WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING FINANCIAL POLICY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT. UH, MY, UM, OBSERVATION IS THAT COUNCIL WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO CALL A BOND ELECTION WHEN, UM, THEY BELIEVE THAT THE VOTERS WILL COME OUT AND SUPPORT THE BOND. AND SO THOSE ARE GOING TO COINCIDE WITH VERY SPECIFIC ELECTION CYCLES. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. NOT, UM, NECESSARILY THEIR, UH, ABILITY TO CALL THE ELECTION, BUT MORE THAT I THINK THAT FOR THE PUBLIC'S, UH, PERSPEC, UH, PERSPECTIVE, MM-HMM. AND TRANSPARENCY, I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION ON, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CALLING THESE ELECTIONS VERY TIMELY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PASS, THEY WOULDN'T CALL A BOND ELECTION IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA PASS. YEAH. THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER. YES MA'AM. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS IN, IN CALLING ELECTION FOR ONE THING THAT'S THE EXPENSE OF AN ELECTION AND HAVING COMBINING ELECTIONS MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE. IF NOTHING ELSE, STEVEN, DO YOU, CAN YOU JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, TELL US IN THE LAST 10 YEARS HOW OFTEN WE'VE HAD BOND ELECTIONS? UM, IT'S A POP TEST LIKE I JUST MENTIONED. I KNOW ON THE MOBILITY SIDE WE HAD 20 16, 20 18, 20 20, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A 2022, UM, THAT DIDN'T DEAL WITH INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. I THINK THE PUBLIC HOUSING, UM, GOT A, GOT SOME BOND FUNDING THROUGH THAT ONE. SO AT LEAST, UM, FOUR IN THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD THAT I KNOW. [00:30:04] UM, ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSION HAVE A COPY OF THE FINANCIAL POLICIES. AN AN ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL POLICY SAYS THAT THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF BOND ELECTION PROPOSITIONS RECOMMENDED TO THE VOTERS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE CITY'S ESTIMATED ABILITY TO ISSUE SAID BONDS WITHIN A NORMAL SIX YEAR PERIOD. UM, SO THAT SUGGESTS AT LEAST THAT, UH, A BOND ELECTION, UH, THE BONDS IN A SPECIFIC ELECTION HAVE A SIX YEAR LIFESPAN, UH, OR A PROJECTED SIX YEAR LIFESPAN. ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, WHEN WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION BY FINANCIAL, BY THE FINANCIAL SERVICES FOLKS, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK YOU'LL SEE IS THAT ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAME TO BE IN THE POSITION THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE HAVE MORE AUTHORIZED BUT UNISSUED THAN WE CAN SELL IN TWO YEARS, IS BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD WHAT STAFF OFTEN REFERS TO AS OFF-CYCLE BOND ELECTIONS, SUCH AS THE 22 20 22 HOUSING BOND ELECTION FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. BUT THAT INCREASED OUR AUTHORIZED BUT UNUSED BONDS. AND THAT, UH, CONTRIBUTED TO THE AMOUNT OF AUTHORIZED BUT UNISSUED THAT WE HAVE AT THE PRESENT TIME. ARE WE AT THE POSITION OF BEING AT LEAST PARTIALLY CLEAR AS MUD ? ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THE BOND SALE, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO DO IS TAKE THE WORD SCHEDULES OUT OF THE DRAFT, UH, BEFORE WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION BASED ON THE OBJECTIONS FROM THE FINANCIAL FOLKS, WHICH I, WHICH I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE, UM, IF, IF NOT THE NEXT IS THE STATUS OF EACH FISCAL YEAR'S ADOPTED CAPITAL BUDGET. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES, UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES BESIDES AUTHORIZING A SALE OF BONDS IS IF THAT IS BASED ON A, ON THE PROJECTED SPENDING FOR THE NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT THE SPENDING IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS NOT, UM, KEEPING UP WITH WHAT WAS PUT IN THE BUDGET, THEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ISSUED BONDS THAT ARE NOT BEING SPENT IN A TIMELY AND EFFICIENT MANNER. SO THAT IS ANOTHER CRITERIA OF A EFFICIENT, TIMELY CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT EXPENDITURES ARE BEING MADE ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE ADOPTED CAPITAL BUDGET. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT POINT IN THE FRAMEWORK? THEN? THE THIRD PIECE OF THE FRAMEWORK IS THE STATUS OF ESTABLISHED BENCHMARKS FOR THE PROJECTS, BOTH IN THE CURRENT CAPITAL BUDGET AND IN THE, THE, UM, FIRST YEAR OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. MY UNDERSTANDING IS, I HOPE IT'S CORRECT THAT WHEN PROJECTS REACH THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE [00:35:01] IN THE NEXT YEAR'S CAPITAL BUDGET. SO THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE SCHEDULED PARTING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE NEXT YEAR. THEY'RE NOT AUTHORIZED YET, BUT THERE WILL LIKELY BE INCLUDED IN THE NEXT YEAR'S CAPITAL BUDGET. IS THAT CORRECT, STEVEN? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE MECHANICS OF HOW FSD MANAGES THAT, BUT IN GENERAL, I, I THINK THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS YEAR TO YEAR. YEAH. SO THIS, WHAT THIS SAYS IS THAT PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN NEXT YEAR'S CAPITAL BUDGET OUGHT TO HAVE ESTABLISHED BENCHMARKS SO THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO MONITOR THOSE PROJECTS AS SOON AS THEY'RE APPROPRIATED AND BEGIN THE PROCESS. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE WOULD THEN, AS A COMMISSION NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT THOSE BENCHMARKS, UH, AND DETERMINE, UH, IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT BENCHMARKS TO TELL US WHETHER PROJECTS ARE REALLY GONNA PROCEED ON TIME. I KNOW THAT THERE'S AT LEAST, UM, A COMMON IMPRESSION, UH, UH, THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PROJECTS DON'T PROCEED ON TIME IS THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT GO ON A BOND ELECTION THAT ARE MORE CONCEPTS THAN THEY ARE, UM, READY TO ACTUALLY BE TRANSLATED INTO A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. AND THEN IN THE PROCESS OF GOING FROM PASSAGE OF A BOND ELECTION TO DESIGN, UH, AND GETTING TO THE POINT THAT THEY CAN BECOME OPERATIONAL BY BEING GOING THROUGH THE PURCHASING PROCESS, THAT PROCESS TAKES LONGER. UH, THAT PROCESS ENDS UP, CAN END UP DELAYING THE PROGRESS OF THAT PROJECT IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM. BENCHMARKS WOULD GIVE US THAT INFORMATION AND ENABLE US TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS, UH, WITH, WITH IMPLEMENTING PROJECTS ONCE VOTERS APPROVE THEM, WHAT POINTS IN THE PROCESS ARE THOSE PROBLEMS OCCURRING AND WHAT THEN, UM, NEEDS TO BE DONE TO REMEDY THE SITUATION? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT BENCHMARKS? UM, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A, A SUGGESTION? YES, MA'AM. UM, IT WOULD BE, I THINK, UM, GOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THE BENCHMARKS, IF NOT ALL OF THE BENCHMARKS ARE IN THE NEW TOOL THAT WAS PRESENTED JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE KIND OF THE, UH, VERIFICATION THAT THE NUMBERS WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE, ARE ACCURATE. SO PERHAPS, UM, SOMEONE WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH THE TOOL CAN GIVE US A LIST OF THE BENCHMARKS THAT IT CAN TRACK. STEVEN, WE COULD CONFIGURE IT ALMOST ANY, ANY WHICH WAY YOU WANT. SO I THINK THE, THE MAIN CATEGORIES THAT YOU'D PROBABLY BE FAMILIAR WITH ARE, UM, PROJECT INITIATION OR PLANNING, UM, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, UM, TURNOVER COMMISSIONING, AND THEN IT TRANSFERS INTO THE ONGOING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PHASE. SO WE COULD CERTAINLY, UM, FLAG OR SET BENCHMARKS FOR TRANSITION DURING EACH ONE OF THOSE LARGE PHASES. AND THEN OF COURSE, WITHIN THOSE PHASES, THERE'S, UM, FORECAST START DATES AND 30%, 60%, 90% WHEN YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH DESIGN. SO THERE ARE LARGE CATEGORY BENCHMARKS THAT EACH PROJECT WOULD PROGRESS THROUGH. AND THEN WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES, UM, WE COULD DRILL DOWN, YOU KNOW, AS DEEP AS WE WANTED TO GET. SO YEAH, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY PROBABLY BE PART OF THAT, UM, DASHBOARD TO, TO INDICATE IF YOU LOOKED AT A PROJECT WHERE IN THAT CONTINUUM THE PROJECT CURRENTLY SAT. GOT A QUESTION, UH, WHEN WE REFER TO PROJECT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC, UH, PROJECT WITHIN THE GEO BOND IN THE SENSE OF ROAD GETTING FIXED? OR ARE WE BACKING UP AT THE DASHBOARD LEVEL, UM, AT THE, AT THE BOND INITIATIVE ITSELF? BECAUSE WE, WE CAN GET LOST IN THE WEEDS PRETTY FAST, RIGHT? IF WE'RE TRYING TO REGULAR GREEN EVERY SINGLE PROJECT. [00:40:01] UM, SO I WANTED TO GET SOME, SOME FEEDBACK ON FROM THE TOOL PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT, WHAT WE WANNA LOOK AT ALL THE GEO BONDS, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE MAYBE AT THE, THE YEAR THAT THEY WERE APPROVED BY VOTERS, OR WHAT KIND OF VIEW DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT SO WE CAN BEST TACKLE, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE YELLOW AND RED STATUSES AS NEEDED. I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND ALL OF OUR TIME ON, UM, TRYING TO DIG INTO A THOUSAND DIFFERENT PROJECTS, RIGHT? WE JUST NEED THE, THE SORT OF EXECUTIVE LEVEL AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA DIG IN, WE CAN'T. BUT YEAH, I WAS GONNA ADD ON AND LIKE, I THINK FOR TRANSPARENCY'S SAKE, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL THE, UH, THE, UH, GRANULARITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE EXPANDED BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS TOOL'S NOT JUST FOR US, RIGHT? THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO TRACK, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY, WHERE'S THAT SPENT. SO IF SOMEONE DOES WANNA SEE HOW A PARTICULAR PROJECT IS GOING, I BELIEVE THAT BELIEF SHOULD BE THERE. BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU THERE. IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE TRICKLED UP IN A WAY WHERE IT CAN BE ABSTRACTED UP AND BEING FURTHER READ. UH, BUT TO TACK ONTO THAT, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO ASK AS FAR AS, UH, BENCHMARKS GO, I KNOW THAT IT'S, UH, ACCORDING TO THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BENCHMARKS ON THE FIRST YEAR ARE SOMETHING WE DON'T GET CURRENTLY. DO WE HAVE THE DO CURRENTLY IN THERE? DO WE ALREADY HAVE SOME KIND OF PROJECT WITH BENCHMARKS THAT ARE TRACKED IN THE TOOLING THAT Y'ALL USE IN THE SYSTEM? WE'VE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT E CAPRI, OUR, OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT, UM, AND FINANCIAL SYSTEM, THERE ARE, IT'S A RUDIMENTARY SCHEDULING CAPABILITY. SO IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL YOU'D EXPECT TO SEE FOR A, A FULL, UM, PROJECT SCHEDULE. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LAID OUT IN HUNDREDS OF LINE ITEMS, BUT IT WILL AT LEAST SHOW IF IT'S IN THAT DESIGN STAGE AND CONSTRUCTION TURNED OVER TO THE, THE CUSTOMER. SO IT HAS, IT HAS THE CAPABILITY OF SHOWING THOSE, THOSE BIG, BIG BRUSH, BROAD BRUSH, UM, LEVELS OF, OF PROGRESS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE USE RIGHT NOW AS WE BRING ON THE NEW, UM, PROJECT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT JEREMY CURRY TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S ONE OF THE FEATURES THAT'LL BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE MORE DETAILED, UM, SCHEDULING CAPABILITIES. SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE GRANULARITY GOING FORWARD AS WELL. AND SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE SAY THAT E CAPRI HAS, HAS, UH, THOSE BENCHMARKS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THOSE ARE TIED, ARE THOSE, THOSE ARE TIED TO A DEFINITIVE DATE. THOSE ARE ESTABLISHED AT THE, AT THE OUTSET OF THE PROJECT. THOSE ARE FORECAST, UM, DATES WHEN WE'D EXPECT DESIGN TO START TO FINISH, UM, FORECAST FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'RE ADJUSTED GOING FORWARD. SO SOME OF THE REASON WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THAT SNAPSHOT, THE GRAPH WE SAW WHERE THINGS ARE NOW PUSHED OUT FURTHER, THOSE DATES CAN BE ADJUSTED. SO WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A BASELINE, THE BASELINE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING MOVING FORWARD THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHEN A PROJECT ON A FUTURE BOND IS ESTABLISHED, THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT SCHEDULE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WE'LL MEASURE OUR PROGRESS TOWARD THAT. UM, RIGHT NOW WE, I DON'T WANNA SAY A MOVING TARGET, BUT WE HAVE A TARGET THAT'S ADJUSTED AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSES OR MATURES. YEAH. SO I SMILE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE CITY HAS GONE THROUGH THIS. UH, IN FACT, I WAS HERE WHEN WE DID DEVELOP CAPRI AND, UH, THE, THE HIGHER TO SANTIAGO'S POINT, THE HIGHER LEVEL, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF MEASUREMENT OF HOW WE WERE DOING IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PERCENTAGE OF PROJECTS COMPLETED ON TIME, PERCENT OF PROJECTS COMPLETED ON BUDGET. WELL, THAT LEADS YOU INTO A DISCUSSION OF WHAT IS ON TIME AND WHAT IS ON BUDGET. BECAUSE IF YOU CONTINUALLY ADJUST THE SCHEDULE AND YOU CONTINUALLY ADJUST THE BUDGET, EVERY PROJECT ENDS UP ON TIME BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE LATEST ADJUSTMENT TO THE SCHEDULE AND HAS TO BE ON BUDGET BASED ON THE LATEST BUDGET. BUT ARE YOU GOING TO DEFINE THAT AS BEING, UM, ON TIME BASED ON THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE AND ON BUDGET, BASED ON THE ORIGINAL BUDGET? SO THAT'S THE KIND OF DISCUSSION YOU GET INTO, UH, ABOUT THE, HOW YOU DEFINED YOUR TERMINOLOGY. BUT, BUT THE BENCHMARKS, WE DO HAVE BENCHMARKS FOR NOW FOR PROJECTS IN THIS SYSTEM THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR, WHAT, 20 YEARS? SOMETHING? YES, SIR. YEAH, IF I COULD ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE INITIAL, YOU KNOW, SPIN DOWN, [00:45:01] RIGHT? IF WE TRACK TO THAT AND THAT STATIC, UM, I THINK THAT WILL BE A GOOD, A GOOD BENCHMARK, RIGHT? MM-HMM. OF, OF, OF SORT OF THE DEVIATION FROM THAT. AND FROM THERE WE CAN TELL IF IT'S RED, YELLOW, OR GREEN, RIGHT? UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S STATIC ACROSS THE BOARD REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? UM, WE CAN TELL HOW THINGS ARE PROGRESSING. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN, UM, I I, I DO THINK TOO, WITH THE TIME BOUND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE OBLIGATION TO THE VOTER RIGHT, UH, ALLOWS THAT CAN TO STOP BEING KICKED, RIGHT? BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT TI THAT PERIOD IN TIME IS GONNA COME UP, RIGHT? RIGHT. FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH CAPRI, THE ADVANTAGE OF THE BENCHMARK, UH, HAVING THE BENCHMARKS EARLY ON IS IT CAN HELP YOU BEFORE IT STARTS REFLECTING AND DOLLARS SPENT. MM-HMM IT HELPS YOU IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN TROUBLE, UH, BECAUSE THEIR DESIGN PHASE, YOU KNOW, WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN SIX MONTHS AND IT'S NOW TWO YEARS. SO UNLESS THAT PROJECT HAS SOME, UH, UH, PLAN FOR HOW THEY'RE GONNA MAKE UP FOR THAT YEAR AND A HALF, THAT PROJECT IS GONNA END UP NOT BEING ON TIME AT THE END. UH, AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF THE EASE OF THE EARLY BENCHMARKS, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T YET REFLECT SO MUCH IN DOLLARS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. MM-HMM. , YEAH. AND CHARLES, ARE, ARE YOU THINKING THAT THERE WOULD BE UNIVERSAL STANDARDIZED BENCHMARKS ACROSS ALL PROJECTS OR, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF PROJECT IT IS, THE BENCHMARKS WOULD VARY, RIGHT? UM, 'CAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY HAD, YOU KNOW, PRELIM DESIGN OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS VERSUS AS GOING AND BEING APPROVED AND BEING SORT OF SHOVEL READY, RIGHT? YES. BUT THE, BUT THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, THE BENCHMARK WOULD STILL, THE DESIGN BENCHMARK I THINK WOULD STILL BE THERE. IT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THEIR ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE THIS PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED. 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY AT THAT STAGE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT, UM, THAT YOU SHOULDN'T MOVE A PROJECT FROM THE TOP OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET UNTIL THAT DESIGN HAS BEEN DONE. UM, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GETTING INTO THE, THE DETAIL OF HOW DO YOU SOLVE PROBLEMS IF YOU SEE THAT PROBLEMS, UM, ARE EXISTING. BUT THE OTHER POINT THAT YOU RAISED, UM, ON THE LEVEL OF DETAIL, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOND PROPOSITION OR WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, THE EXAMPLE THAT STEVEN SHARED WITH US WITH AT THE, ON THE DASHBOARD IS AT THE PROPOSITION LEVEL, RIGHT? THE EXAMPLE YOU'VE LOOKED AT WAS AT THE PROPOSITION IT WAS THE 2016 BOND, BUT AS I, UM, MENTIONED, YOU CAN DRILL DOWN INTO THE NEXT STEP BELOW THAT AND MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S AS FAR AS YOU WANT TO GO. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT BELOW THE 2016 MOBILITY BOND. I WANNA LOOK AT THE STREETS PROGRAM CHUNK OF IT, OR THE REGIONAL MOBILITY PIECE, UM, AND SO ON. AND MAYBE THAT'S AS FAR AS YOU WANT TO GO WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS. UNDER THE REGIONAL MOBILITY, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF PRETTY LARGE DOLLAR STANDALONE PROJECTS, SO MAYBE THEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PULL UP ONE OF THOSE AND, AND TAKE A LOOK. BUT FOR THE SIDEWALKS PROGRAM, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA NECESSARILY GO INTO EVERY DELIVERY ORDER. YOU JUST WANNA LOOK AT THE HEALTH OF THAT OVERALL PROGRAM. ARE DOLLARS BEING SPENT DOWN ACCORDING TO THAT PLAN? BUT IS THE INFORMATION THERE? YES. IF YOU WANTED TO SEE WHERE THE SPICEWOOD SPRINGS ROAD EXTENSION IS? YES. IT'S IN THAT SYSTEM. IT IS. WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THAT FAR OR NOT, IT IS A, IT IS A D DIFFERENT ISSUE, RIGHT. CINDY IGO, DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, YEAH, IT DOES. YEAH. THANKS FOR THAT. YES, MA'AM. AND CHARLES, CHARLES, IF, IF I COULD, UM, OFFER, UM, I, UH, AGREE WITH SANTIAGO THAT, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE THE SAME CATEGORIES, BENCHMARK CATEGORIES ACROSS ALL PROJECTS. NOT THAT ALL PROJECTS WILL HAVE THE SAME LEAD TIME FOR DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION MM-HMM. , THAT SORT OF THING. BUT THEY ALL HAVE TO BE MEASURED AGAINST THE SAME, UM, CATEGORIES SO WE CAN TALK INTELLIGENTLY [00:50:01] WHERE THE PROJECT IS IN ITS LIFE CYCLE. RIGHT? AND THE, THE, THE OTHER THING THAT ENABLE US, ENABLES US TO DO IS TO SEARCH BY BENCHMARK. SO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF BENCHMARKS ARE ON TIME FOR COMPLETING DESIGN AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL? AND IF THAT IS A SATISFACTORY PERCENTAGE, NO PROBLEM. IF THAT PERCENTAGE INDICATES THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM, THEN, THEN THAT IS THE KIND OF INFORMATION I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMISSION TO AT LEAST CALL TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION. I TOTALLY AGREE. AND I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS THAT WE'LL SEE THE STUMBLING AREAS, WE'LL SEE THE PLACES WHERE IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, TO GET TO THAT FINISH LINE. YES, WE WILL. THE COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER THAT IT, IT IS IN THE FINANCIAL CODE. IT IS ASSUMED THAT THESE PROJECTS HAVE A LIFE OF SIX YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAY BE, UM, BENEFICIAL FOR US TO YOU, UH, PACKAGE THE PROJECTS IN PROJECTS THAT CAN COMPLETE IN SIX YEARS. BECAUSE IF, IF YOU, WE LOOK AT A PROJECT AND WE KNOW FOR FROM THE GET GO THAT IT'S CANNOT BE COMPLETED IN SIX YEARS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEFICIENT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD. SO THAT GOES BACK TO THE SCOPE OF WORK AND DECIDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT GETS PACKAGED TOGETHER IN EACH BOND. AND THEN THE, THE THIRD ITEM I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT I, I, UH, BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYONE FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES FROM THE PUBLIC CAN DRILL DOWN ON ANY SPECIFIC COMPONENT WITHIN A, UM, BOND PROJECT AND, AND SEE WHAT THE EXPENDITURES ARE. BECAUSE BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE CATEGORY, I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO COME TO LIGHT IS THAT THERE'S CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE PROJECT, UM, THAT GET OFF SCHEDULE BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER ISSUES BEYOND THE CONTROL OF MAYBE CITY STAFF OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UNFORESEEN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES OR THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT CREEP INTO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE WAY BEYOND THE CONTROL OF, UH, THE, THE PLANNERS. AND, AND I THINK THAT, UH, WE'LL LEARN KIND OF THE, FROM THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE THOSE OBSTACLES MIGHT BE SO THAT THERE CAN BE BETTER PLANNING GOING FORWARD. AGREED. UM, I, I, I DO WANNA THROW OUT A NOTE. UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER LUCAS'S, UH, ASSESSMENT. UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE FIRST POINT ABOUT HAVING THE GLOBAL BENCHMARKS, UH, I DO SEE THE VALUE IN THAT, BUT I WILL HAVE TO SAY LIKE KIND OF AN IMPLEMENTATION DETAIL IS FOR EVERY PROJECT OR OR PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IN THROUGH THOSE BENCHMARKS AT THE BEGINNING, WE SHOULD DEFINE WHERE FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL PROJECT THAT BENCHMARK CAUSES THE THRESHOLD FOR THOSE. IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A UNIVERSAL ONES SO THAT, LIKE ONE PROJECT COULD HAVE THEIR DESIGN LAST LONGER THAN ANOTHER PROJECT COULD, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE PREDEFINED. WE SET OUT YOU HAVE UNIVERSAL BENCHMARKS, BUT FOR EACH PROJECT YOU THEN SET THE TIME SCHEDULE. SO, UH, IF, UH, IF ONE OF THE BENCHMARKS IS DESIGN COMPLETION FOR PROJECT X, WHEN IS THEIR DESIGN COMPLETION FOR PROJECT Y? WHEN IS THEIR DIDN'T, NOT THE SAME TIME, UH, BUT YOU HAVE A TIME SET WHEN YOU BEGIN THE PROJECT. CORRECT. UM, BUT I GUESS THE WAY I WAS THINKING OF IS, UH, GOING INTO THAT GRANULARITY SAKE, WHERE CAN EACH, IN THE ESSENCE OF THE BIG, I MEAN, AS OPPOSED TO THEIR, LET'S SAY THERE'S FIVE BIG RED, RED LIGHT, GREEN LIGHT, YELLOW LIGHT KIND OF BENCHMARKS THAT WE WANT UNIVERSALLY, ARE THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN TRACK MORE GRANULAR BENCHMARKS FOR THE PROJECT TO SAY LIKE, THERE ARE THREE STEPS MISSING FROM DESIGN, FROM BEING DESIGN COMPLETE VERSUS, OR THREE STEPS OR X AMOUNT OF, UH, BENCHMARKS DOWN FROM BEING COMPLETELY COMPLETE KIND OF THINGS. IS THERE A WAY TO TRACK THAT GRANULARITY AT THAT POINT? YEAH, AND TYPICALLY WE, UM, SINCE YOU MENTIONED DESIGN, WE USE, UM, OF LIKE A 30%, 60%, 90%, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT AS OUR, UM, INTERMEDIATE STEPS GOING THROUGH. AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD BE TRACKED BY THE PROJECT MANAGERS AND WITH TARGET DATES [00:55:01] ON WHEN THEY'RE EXPECTED TO MEET THOSE STEPS ALONG THE WAY. SO YOU COULD CERTAINLY GENERATE A REPORT THAT SAYS HOW MANY OF OUR PROJECTS, THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A 60% DESIGN BY YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE END OF YEAR ONE HAVE MADE THAT INTERMEDIARY GOAL. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A COMMON WAY TO CATEGORIZE THINGS TOO, AND WHICH, WHICH ONES ARE NOT. BASICALLY THOSE ARE THE RED FLAGS. THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU NEED TO LOOK AT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GONE WRONG. YEAH, I I ALMOST PICTURE LIKE A STATUS BAR RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE PROP OR SOMETHING THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOWS THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE PROJECT AND WHETHER THEY'RE ON SCHEDULE OR NOT, YOU KNOW. UM, BUT UH, YEAH, I MEAN, THE, THE WAY THAT I WAS PICTURING IT IS LIKE, LET'S ASSUME ONE OF THE PROPOSALS WAS TO, YOU KNOW, ADD ON STOP SIGNS ON X AMOUNT OF CORNERS, RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY IT'S EIGHT, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, DESIGN, FIGURING OUT WHAT THOSE STOP SIGNS WOULD BE IN THIS SECTION WOULD BE LIKE THE DESIGN PORTION OF IT. AND WE KNOW THAT SEVEN OUT OF EIGHT OF THESE ARE ALREADY PLANNED OUT AND THEY'RE JUST HAVING THE DIFFICULTY WITH THE LAST ONE BEAT STUDY BE OR WHATEVER. WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT STOP SIGN IN GENERAL IS THE ONE THAT'S CAUSING THOSE ISSUES. AND YEAH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM AND HOW DO, WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIX THE PROBLEM? UM, ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION I, I'D ASK STEVEN TO TRY TO GUESS AT IS, SO WHAT PER WHAT PERCENT OF PROJECTS IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CAP CIP CURRENTLY HAVE BENCHMARKS? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT, HOW, HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO HAVING THAT INFORMATION? AT THIS POINT IN TIME? ALL OF THE PROJECTS HAVE CURRENT STATUS OR CURRENT DATES, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT. MM-HMM, . BUT THE, THE CHALLENGE IS SINCE WE DIDN'T START LOOKING AT THEM LIKE BENCHMARKS TO WHAT CAN WE GO BACK TO, TO COMPARE THEM AGAINST? AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE REFERENCING WHEN YOU SAID, WELL, IF WE CONTINUE TO JUST ROLL FORWARD AS, AS THINGS EXPAND OR AS COST INCREASE, THEN WE'RE NEVER GONNA KNOW HOW WE'RE COMPARED TO THOSE BENCHMARKS. SO WE HAVE THE REAL TIME INFORMATION, WE CAN GIVE A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE CURRENTLY STAND FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. BUT TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE WITHIN, UM, THE GOALS WE CREATED IS NOT READILY AVAILABLE FOR MOST OF OUR PROJECTS. UH, IT'S PROBABLY A MIX. I'D SAY THERE'S SOME WHERE THERE'S A, A, A CLEAR ENOUGH BASELINE OF WHEN THOSE THINGS WERE ESTABLISHED, ESPECIALLY FOR THE LARGER PROJECTS. BUT FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS, UM, LIKE I USE SIDEWALKS FOR EXAMPLE, OR TRAILS, THINGS THAT ARE, UM, SPENT ON THROUGH A SERIES OF SMALLER DELIVERY ORDERS, BUT THE DOLLARS ARE SPENDING DOWN THOSE, UM, INITIAL ESTIMATES ARE NOT NECESSARILY CLEAR. SO MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D CERTAINLY LOOK TO ESTABLISH AND HAVE SOME HARDER DATES OR A MORE FIRM BASELINE TO CHECK OUR PROGRESS AGAINST. SO NOW WE HAVE PART TWO AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE PART ONE FOR SOME OF SOME PARTS OF THE BOND PROGRAM SO THAT FOR OTHERS WE COULD CREATE IT. THAT'S A MATTER OF, UH, OF MAINTAINING THE, THE HISTORICAL OR THE ORIGINAL BASELINE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN DONE. NO. AND, AND IT'S NOT TO SAY WE COULDN'T REVERSE ENGINEER, WE COULDN'T GO BACK AND, UM, CREATE THOSE BASELINES IN CASES WHERE IT'S NOT READILY AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S JUST THE HOW DO WE WANT TO USE THE RESOURCES? DO WE WANT TO HAVE A FIRMER PROGRAM GOING FORWARD WHERE THESE THINGS ARE MANAGEABLE VERSUS GOING BACK? AND, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TO ME DOES BRING UP THE, THE, THE NEXT POINT, WHICH IS, UH, IN PART OF EVERYTHING IS, UM, ARE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO DO THIS? AND YOU KNOW, IT, UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE'S NOT A FINANCIAL POLICY THAT SAYS, UM, THE COUNCIL WILL PROVIDE FOR THE NECESSARY STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THIS, UH, CAPITAL PROGRAM. AND SO ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, IF WE FIND THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO TROUBLE THAT WE'RE NOT MEETING BENCHMARKS, ONE OF THE POSSIBLE ANSWERS IS THAT WE'VE NOT DEVOTED THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE INFRASTRUCTURE [01:00:01] THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE CAPITAL PROGRAM. AND AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THE COMMISSION CAN BE OF VA VALUE TO THE COUNCIL IN LOOKING FOR THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES. UM, THE LAST POINT ON THE BE IT RESOLVED IS, UH, THE COMMISSION WILL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL AS WELL ON ANY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES IDENTIFIED IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT MIGHT ADVERSELY IMPACT ON THE EFFICIENCY, EQUITY, TIMELINESS, AND ACCOUNTABILITY OF IMPLEMENTATION. THE COMMISSION HAS HISTORICALLY HEARD FROM PROJECT MANAGERS ON THE STATUS OF THEIR PROJECTS AND THE ISSUES THAT THEY MAY BE HAVING IN COMPLETING THEIR PROJECTS. UM, THIS FRAMEWORK, UM, CONTEMPLATES THE COMMISSION WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I THINK THE COMMISSION HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN CONTINUING TO HEAR FROM PROJECT MANAGERS, AND THE PURPOSE OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS IS TO GIVE US THAT INFORMATION ABOUT SPECIFIC PROBLEMS THAT PROJECT MANAGERS SAY THAT THEY ARE RUNNING INTO IN COMPLETING THE PROJECT. DOES ANYONE HAVE, AT THIS POINT, ED, WAS THAT A YEP. YES, SIR. YEAH. UH, LEMME GO BACK FIRST REAL QUICK TO YOUR FOURTH ONE OF THE FRAMEWORK, THE CAPITAL PROJECT STAFF, UH, EXPERIENCE OR EXPERTISE? YES, SIR. UM, THE, WHEREAS THIS IS MINOR, CONCEPTUALLY, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS, BUT, UM, THE, WHEREAS REFERS TO THE EXPERTISE OF THE STAFF AND THE FRAMEWORK REFERS TO THE EXPERIENCE, UM, A LOT OF OVERLAP THERE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME THING. BUT, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DELIVERABLE LOOKS LIKE THERE? IS IT A ROSTER OF THE STAFF AND HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY, OR JUST SO IF WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THE FRAMEWORK, WE WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE THERE. I THINK WHERE THAT SHOWS UP IS IN THAT LAST BE RESOLVED WHEN, UM, THE, THE, WHEN THE COMMISSION HEARS FROM PROJECT MANAGERS, ARE THEY GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT INDICATES WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE INFORMED RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW WE'RE MEASURING IT ON THE FRAMEWORK AND MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S JUST KIND OF A YEAR END EVALUATION. I, I'M NOT, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M, IT'S, LIKE I SAID, I CONCEPTUALLY, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE STAFF WITH THE ABILITY TO EXECUTE, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT WHAT THAT'S DRIVING AT. UM, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE GOAL, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE SHORT ON IMPLEMENTATION, RIGHT? AND THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT POINTS THERE. ONE IS I THINK THE BENCHMARKS GIVE YOU AN INDICATION WHERE THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY STAFF. THE, UM, THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT IS THE INFORMATION PROJECT MANAGERS DELIVER IN THEIR PRESENTATIONS. THAT'S A VALUE JUDGMENT. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A WAY OF MEASURING THAT. UM, BUT IS THE COMMISSION, DOES THE COMMISSION FEEL THAT THEY'RE GETTING IN INFORMATION FROM PROJECT MANAGERS IN THEIR PRESENTATIONS THAT RELIABLY POINT TO THE PROBLEMS PROJECT MANAGERS IN THE FIELD ARE HAVING IN COMPLETING PROJECTS? IT'S A VALUE JUDGMENT. I AGREE WITH YOU. AND SO GO AHEAD. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, DO WE WANNA MAYBE INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE PERIODIC PRESENTATIONS OR SO, OR VIA WHAT TOOL THAT THEIR UPDATES ARE BEING DELIVERED? OR IS THAT TOO SPECIFIC? I'M JUST TRYING TO DRILL DOWN TO IT. 'CAUSE IT IS KIND OF GENERALIZED, RIGHT? THE, THE STAFF UPDATES, WOULD THAT HELP THAT OR, OR NOT? NOT REALLY. UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY STAFF, RIGHT? YES. CITY STAFF. YES. SO YOU, YOU'RE REFERRING THERE TO THAT, UH, THE LAST, WHEREAS THE EXPERTISE OF CITY STAFF TASK WITH PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION PROVIDES VALUABLE IMPORTATION INFORMATION ON CURRENT CONDITIONS [01:05:02] IMPACTING SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION AND INCLUDING IN, IN THERE SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, THEIR PRESENTATIONS. YEAH. OR IF IT'S THROUGH THIS TOOL OR THROUGH THE, THE CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES GROUP, OR IS IT, SO I CONTINUE TO THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. OKAY. UM, I THINK THE EZ IS TALKING ABOUT ARE WE GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED? I THINK THE LAST ITEM ON THE FIRST NOW THEREFORE, IS EVALUATING WHETHER WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE DOING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROJECTS. AND THOSE MAY NOT BE, I, I SEE A BROADER SET OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY DOING THE IMPLEMENTATION THAN THOSE WHO ARE SHOWING UP TO TALK TO US ONCE A HOWEVER. SO I THINK I, I THINK THEY'RE BOTH IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO TRY TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR OR WHAT WE THINK THE HURDLE IS. I THINK, I THINK PART OF MY STRUGGLE IS THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEHIND MAY NOT BE BEHIND BECAUSE OF ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE EXPERIENCE OR EXPERTISE OF THE CAPITAL PROJECT STAFF, UM, THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO DO WITH THIRD PARTIES OR, UH, OTHERS THAT ARE INFLUENCING TIME LIMITS. I AGREE. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PRO CAPITAL PROJECT'S DELIVERY IS DOING, UH, FROM WHAT STEVEN, UM, AND MR. SNOW HAVE REPORTED IS THAT THEY ARE MEETING, UH, REGULARLY WITH THE, WITH THE FOLKS WHO ARE IMPLEMENTING THESE PROJECTS, DIRECT FACE-TO-FACE, WHETHER VIRTUALLY OR NOT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THIS PROJECT IS GOING. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF HOW YOU REALLY GET THE BEST FEEL FOR WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. THE THE, THE ISSUE IS FOR ME IS THAT'S AT THE STAFF LEVEL. HOW DO WE THEN GET THAT TO THE COMMISSION LEVEL? WE CERTAINLY, WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE MONTHLY DAY, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS WITH ALL THE PROJECT MANAGERS, CAPITAL PROJECTS DOES. SORRY, I I, WE TRIED TO DRILL DOWN TOO. I KNOW, I KNOW ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT CAME UP RIGHT WAS SHORTAGE OF STAFF, THE POTENTIAL THAT THERE COULD, THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE, RIGHT? AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE EXPERIENCE OR LIKE PROPERLY RESOURCED, RIGHT? AND I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN QUANTIFY THAT, RIGHT? JUST BASED ON PROJECT STATUS. I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULDN'T GET AHEAD OF IT, BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S TOUGH. SO IT IS, IT KINDA SOUNDS LIKE BETWEEN ED AND SANIA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH A MIXTURE MAYBE OF WHAT WE SEE IN PRESENTATIONS TO THE COMMISSION AND WHAT CAPITAL PROJECTS DELIVERY IS DISCOVERING IN THEIR CONVERSATIONS, THEIR MORE DETAILED CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE IF WE CONTINUALLY HAVE A BAD PRESENTATION FROM ONE GROUP, RIGHT? LIKE THAT, THAT TO ME IS AN ISSUE, RIGHT? WE NEED TO RAISE THAT ISSUE. I MEAN, WHETHER THE CONTENT IS GOOD OR NOT, IF IT'S JUST, IF IT'S NOT MEETING OUR NEEDS, RIGHT? THAT GOES TO EXPERIENCE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF BEING, UM, NOT THAT THAT'S BEEN THE CASE AT ANY POINT, BUT, SO I, LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, I THINK THE, IN TERMS OF FRAMEWORK, WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARILY A, UM, A FUNCTION OF EXPERTISE OR EVEN RESOURCE AVAILABILITY SO MUCH AS HOW ARE, UM, THESE BROAD ISSUES CONVEYED TO, TO THIS COMMISSION FOR FOR ACTION. UM, SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE WEEDS NECESSARILY AS A FUNCTION OF WHAT WE DO, UM, DEALING WITH INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, BUT THE, THE TAIL END OF THAT, WHEREAS IT SAYS, PROVIDES VALUABLE INFORMATION ON CURRENT CONDITIONS, IS REALLY THE KEY. SO AS FAR AS THE FRAMEWORK, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW, HOW IS THAT, UM, HOW IS ACTIONABLE INFORMATION [01:10:01] ROLLED UP FROM STAFF TO THE COMMISSION IN ON A, IS THAT A, A REPORT WE DEVELOP? IS IT A, A SET OF BRIEFINGS? IS IT A PERIODIC UPDATE? I, I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT LANGUAGE INTO, INTO YOUR, UM, RESOLUTION, BUT YEAH, JUST TO GET AT THAT, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND AND SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE FORWARD WITH, UM, IS A TREND? WELL, ONE OF, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE POSSIBILITIES, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONS CAN, CAN GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON WHAT THEIR PRESENT PRESENTATION SHOULD INCLUDE. MM-HMM. . UM, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, UP TO THEM TO DECIDE TO COME IN AND TALK ON WHATEVER THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT, BUT WHAT SHOULD THAT PRESENTATION INCLUDE? UM, SO MAYBE, UM, MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON THAT END OF, UM, BEING MORE SPECIFIC IN OUR DIRECTION TO DEPARTMENTS. WE'RE GONNA TALK IN JUST A MINUTE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUTURE AGENDAS, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT PROJECTS YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. BUT WE CAN ALSO, UM, BOTH TODAY AND AS WE, AS WE GO FORWARD, WE CAN ALSO CONSIDER GIVING MORE SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS TO FOLKS WHEN THEY COME IN TO MAKE THOSE PRESENTATIONS. I MEAN, IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, I, I CAN SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER, UM, ONCE WHERE PROJECT MANAGER HAS TOLD US, UM, ABOUT A PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE HAVING WITH A DELAY IN THE PROJECT BECAUSE AUSTIN ENERGY HASN'T SHOWN UP TO MOVE THE LINE . AND, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER US DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT, UM, PROJECT MANAGERS COULD BE, UM, INCLUDING IN THEIR PRESENTATION. KANA I THINK WAS BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH THAT SHE FELT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH GOING FORWARD AND TRYING TO CONTINUE TO FINE TUNE THIS PART OF IT AS WE GO? OR DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC DIRECTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? NO, I THINK WE CAN JUST CHEW ON IT SOME MORE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S NOT, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO SUBMIT THIS NEXT MONTH OR ANYTHING, RIGHT? IT'S NOT READY. WE ARE PLANNING ON PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA FOR, UH, FOR, UH, ACTION ON THE NEXT AGENDA ON THE NEXT MONTH. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, IT CAN BE TABLED, BUT WE'RE GONNA ATTEMPT TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE, ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION ON OUR AGENDA. YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YEAH. AND, AND FOR, AND AS FAR AS THIS FRAMEWORK GOES, I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE LIKE THE DIRECT, UM, WE, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A SAY, LIKE A PREDEFINED CONSISTENT STATUS REPORT THAT WE WOULD GET. WE DON'T HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT THE CONTENTS OF THERE ARE EXACTLY. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SO, UM, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE BOND SALE SCHEDULE AND DROPPING THE WORD SCHEDULE ON THE BOND SALE, I HAD SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLES THAT I DISCUSSED WITH, UH, THE FINANCIAL STAFF ABOUT HOW THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE COMMUNICATED TO COUNSEL. WE DIDN'T REACH A FINAL AGREEMENT ON THAT YET. THAT'S NOT IN THE RESOLUTION. UM, BUT THAT'S THE DELIBERATELY THAT'S NOT IN THE RESOLUTION. SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET TO A BOND SALE SCHEDULE, UH, WE CAN DETERMINE HOW WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. AND, AND I FEEL LIKE WE COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH, WITH THE, THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE GOING, UM, OR, BUT THESE, THESE WAYS IS, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF THAT COMMUNICATION TO BE HERE. HOW AGREED UPON COMMUNICATION TO BE THERE. BUT WE HAVEN'T DEFINED EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT. BETTER NOT TO DEFINE IT IN CASE IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. THE, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF PUTTING THE DRAFT RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA WAS WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED HAVING A FRAMEWORK. IT WAS TO TRY TO BRING THAT DISCUSSION TO AN END, LET THE COMMISSION DECIDE WHETHER THIS IS THE KIND OF, UH, FRAMEWORK YOU WANT FOR OVERSIGHT OR SOMETHING ELSE. UH, SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE. THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR PUTTING THE DRAFT ON THE AGENDA. AND THEN, UM, A FINAL PRODUCT AT THE NEXT MEETING. ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE UNDER THIS DISCUSSION ITEM? [01:15:02] YEAH, JUST, JUST ONE MORE THING. COMMISSIONER CURRY OR CHAIR CURRY, THE, UM, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR ORDINANCE, RIGHT? AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, EACH, EACH A THROUGH E IS ADDRESSED IN THIS FRAMEWORK, UM, WHICH I THINK YOU'VE DONE RIGHT. I JUST WANNA GO BACK OVER IT AND, AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING EACH ONE OF THESE AS THEY HAVE TO GET ADJUSTED HERE IN OUR REPORT. RIGHT. UM, I WILL GO BACK TO THE, UH, ORIGINAL ORDINANCE AND DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE WE'VE COVERED ALL OF THE POINTS. OKAY, GREAT. AND, AND I, I JUST MISSED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, I APOLOGIZE EARLIER, BUT ARE WE THINKING WE HAVE LIKE A QUARTERLY REPORT TO COUNCIL? NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, ONLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL OR REPORT TO COUNSEL ON SPECIFIC ITEMS SUCH AS THE BOND SALE SCHEDULE, OR IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WE, UH, IF THERE WAS A DISPAR, IF THERE WAS SOME CONDITION THAT AFFECTED THE EFFICIENCY, EQUITY, TIMELINESS AND ACCOUNTABILITY, WE WOULD REPORT ON THAT CONDITION WHEN WE AS A COMMISSION DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE. OKAY. THANKS. THERE IS AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT ALL COMMISSIONS DO, BUT YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHO READS THOSE. . I'M SURE SOMEONE DOES. SOMEONE DOES. PLEASE TELL ME SOMEONE DOES. WELL, AT LEAST SOMEBODY FILED . ALL RIGHTY. THEN WE'LL [5. Conduct officer elections for the Chair and Vice Chair] GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, UH, WHICH IS THIS DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM. ITEM YES. ON THE OFFICER ELECTIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, UH, WHAT WE WILL DO IS OPEN THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS. SO WE'LL START WITH CHAIR AND THEN GO TO VICE CHAIR. THERE'S A NOMINATION. IN A SECOND, I'LL ASK THE PERSON WHO'S NOMINATED IF THEY ACCEPT THE NOMINATION, AND THEN, UH, WHENEVER WE DECIDE TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS, WE WILL VOTE. SO, AND A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION HERE. COMMISSIONER CURRY, CAN YOU, YOU'VE BEEN, UM, CHAIR FOR ONE TERM ALREADY, RIGHT? YES, SIR. BE CHAIR AGAIN FOR A SECOND TERM. I BELIEVE THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER CURRY THEN AS CHAIR. IS THERE A SECOND TO THE NOMINATION? THE NOMINATION IS MADE AND SECONDED, AND YES, I ACCEPT THE NOMINATION. I, I WILL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT ELECTIONS, UM, COME AT THE WRONG TIME. I, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A NEW CHAIR, UH, WHEN YOU BEGIN SETTING OUT AN ANNUAL PLAN FOR THE YEAR, NOT HALFWAY THROUGH IT. UM, AND IF ELECTED, I WILL PROBABLY CHOOSE TO, UNLESS THERE'S SOME ISSUE THAT PREVENTS IT, I WILL PROBABLY CHOOSE TO RESIGN SO THAT I CAN FORCE AN ELECTION AT A, WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A MORE TIMELY SCHEDULE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. ARE THERE OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS? SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS? I SECOND THERE. A SECOND ON THE SCREEN. UH, ALL, UM, DOES THE MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS REQUIRE A ROLL CALL VOTE? IT DOES. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER CURRY? YES. COMMISSIONER MCNABB? YES. COMMISSIONER DIAZ? YES. COMMISSIONER LUCA? YES. COMMISSIONER HOR? YES. COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ? YES. SO THE MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS, UH, PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH THE NOMINATIONS CLOSED. IS THERE NOW A VOTE ON THE NOMINEE? I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW , YES. I MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE. [01:20:02] SO THERE'S A MOTION, UH, TO THEN, IS THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE NOMINATION OF CURRY FOR CHAIR? IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO PHRASE IT? YES. YES. IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? I SECOND. SO THE MOTION IS SECONDED. AND DOES NICOLE, DOES THAT REQUIRE ROLL CALL? YES. WOULD YOU CALL ROLL COMMISSIONER CURRY? YES. COMMISSIONER MCNABB? YES. COMMISSIONER DIAZ? YES. COMMISSIONER LUCA? YES. COMMISSIONER HORS? YES. COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU. UH, UH, SO CURRY IS ELECTED CHAIR, AND WE WILL TURN TO NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR. THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR. IS THERE A NOMINATION? FIRST OFF, CONGRATULATIONS. UH, CHAIR CURRY. UM, THANKS FOR DOING A GREAT JOB THIS PAST YEAR, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL YEAR HERE. UH, FOR MY CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UM, COMMISSIONER MCNA. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE NOMINATION? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LUCA. OKAY. JOHN, DO YOU ACCEPT THE NOMINATION? I WILL. NOMINATION IS ACCEPTED. UH, HERE, ARE THERE OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? ARE THERE I MOVE. I MOVE. THE CLOSE NOMINATIONS MOTION IS MADE BY, UM, COMMISSIONER MCCORT TO CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND COMM. THE MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATION IS SECONDED. AND THAT REQUIRES A ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER CURRY? YES. COMMISSIONER MCNABB? YES. COMMISSIONER DIAZ? YES. COMMISSIONER LUCA? YES. COMMISSIONER HORS? YES. COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ. NOMINATIONS ARE CLOSED AND I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ELECT, UH, MR. MCNABB AS VICE CHAIR. IS THERE SUCH A MOTION? MOTION IS MADE. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THERE. THERE ARE TWO SECONDS FOR THAT . SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS A MOTION TO ELECT, UH, COMMISSIONER MCNABB AS VICE CHAIR. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCNABB? YES. COMMISSIONER DIAZ? YES. COMMISSIONER LUCA? YES. COMMISSIONER HORS? YES. COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ? YES. AND THAT COMMISSION THAT, UM, UM, MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COMMISSIONER MCNABB IS VICE CHAIR. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK JOHN FOR SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY THIS PAST YEAR AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM THE NEXT YEAR. SAME. UM, NEXT ORDER OF [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] BUSINESS IS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. AND, UH, THE FIRST SUGGESTION IS CAPITAL PROJECTS MILESTONES. THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF THE BENCHMARKS. RIGHT. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEP, ABSOLUTELY. THE MILESTONES IS JUST ANOTHER, UM, TERM IS WE WERE USING FOR BENCHMARKS AND THE EXAMPLES OF DELIVERY LAYING FACTORS SORT OF, UM, GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THAT IN THAT WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE HISTORICAL REASONS WHY THERE'S A DELAY IN ADVANCING THE PROJECT THROUGH THOSE DIFFERENT MILESTONES. SO IF THE COMMISSION HAS HEARD ALL THAT, THEN ONE OF THE, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, UH, AS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, STEVEN ARE BOTH OF THOSE FOR APRIL. UH, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE COMMISSION'S PREFERENCE. THEY WERE JUST TOPICS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. YES. BUT WE NEVER, UM, FIRMED UP INTO A SCHEDULE SO WE COULD PLAN FOR THEM. I, I KNOW WE WE'RE HOPING TO GET, UM, FSD TO FIRM UP THEIR PRESENTATION, I, I BELIEVE FOR MAY. YEAH. THAT HAD TO SLIP FROM THIS TIME. SO YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT OUR PRIORITY AGENDA ITEM NEXT MONTH. WE COULD INCLUDE THOSE OTHER TWO TOPICS AS, UM, ADDITIONS, . RIGHT. OKAY. AND THE OTHER, UM, THE OTHER PROJECTS LISTED HERE [01:25:01] ARE SORT OF WALKING THROUGH OUR MAIN, UM, BOND, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT USE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT BONDS. SO FROM THE TOP DOWN, UM, TALKING TO OUR STAFF AND CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES, WE KNOW THAT THESE HALF DOZEN OR SO, UM, PROJECTS ARE OF SIGNIFICANT INTEREST THIS YEAR. THEY'LL BE TAKING UP, UM, QUITE A BIT OF OUR ATTENTION. OUR AND OUR CUSTOMERS IN LONGHORN DAM, BARTON SPRINGS BRIDGE ARE PRIORITIES FOR TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS AS WE WORK THROUGH THOSE PROJECTS THIS YEAR, UM, I'M SORRY, BARBARA STEPPED OUT, BUT SHE, UM, HAD OFFERED UP OR SUGGESTED WE GET A PRESENTATION FROM THE TRAIL CONSERVANCY, UM, AND HOW THEY SUPPORT OUR, UM, ALSO TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, BUT THE URBAN TRAILS DEVELOPMENT AND SPENDING THAT, THOSE BOND DOLLARS. UM, WATERSHED HAS A, A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PORTFOLIO OF SMALLER PROJECTS THIS YEAR. SO WE COULD, UM, CONSIDER THEM LATER ON AS WE WORK THROUGH. UM, THE SAME THING WITH PARKS AND REC. WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO, UM, ADVANCE SEVERAL OF THEIR HIGHER DOLLAR OR HIGHER, UM, PROFILE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW AT THE DOHERTY YARD CENTER. UM, THE ELIZABETH NAME MUSEUM, THERE'S A HANDFUL THAT WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THEM, UM, THIS YEAR. SO WE COULD PROBABLY, UM, LOOK, LOOK FOR AN UPDATE ON THOSE IF IT INTERESTED THE COMMISSION. AND WE'RE MAKING SOME, SOME REAL PROGRESS WITH FIRE AND EMS, UM, FIVE NEW STATIONS INITIATIVE AND WE COULD CERTAINLY INVITE THEM TO GIVE AN UPDATE AT. THAT'S PROBABLY ONE WHERE THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A LOT OF, UM, IMPEDIMENTS OR THINGS WE'D HAVE TO OVERCOME, BUT MAYBE IT'S, IT WOULD BE, UM, A VALUE TO KIND OF CLOSE OUT. AND I KNOW YOU'VE RECEIVED UPDATES FROM THEM IN THE PAST ON MAYBE WHAT ARE SOME OF THE KEYS TO THEIR SUCCESS. SO, UM, IF ANY OR ALL OF THOSE ARE OF INTEREST, WE COULD CERTAINLY WORK, REACH OUT TO THOSE, UM, DEPARTMENTS AND SEE IF WE COULD GET THEM SLOTTED. UM, AFTER MAY. I HAVE, DOES, DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION SEEING THIS LIST OF PROJECTS, UH, THAT I ASKED STEVEN TO BRING TO THE MEETING, SEEING THIS LIST OF PROJECTS, DO YOU HAVE A PRIORITY OF WHICH ONES YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE FIRST? ARE THERE ANY KIND OF PRIORITY, UH, OR ANY ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA ADD TO THIS LIST? IF I COULD, I WOULD, UH, PREFER TO SEE PUBLIC SAFETY ITEMS FIRST. JUST, JUST AS A, A ONE OF PRIORITIZATION. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A PRIORITY THAT THEY WANT OR AN ADDITIONAL SET OF PROJECTS OR PROJECT THAT THEY WANT TO ADD TO THAT LIST? HEARING NONE. UH, THEN I'M GONNA ASK STEVEN TO WORK WITH STAFF SO WE CAN START LINING DEPARTMENTS UP BY MONTH. UH, GIVING STAFF SOME TIME TO PREPARE. WE'LL PUT FIRE AND EMS AT THE, UH, TOP OF THE LIST AND THEN GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROJECTS IN THE ORDER THAT, UM, STAFF PUTS 'EM TOGETHER. WILL DO. GREAT. THAT COMPLETES OUR AGENDA. AMAZING AMOUNT OF TIME. IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. THERE'S A MOTION TO ADJOURN AND THERE'S A SECOND FROM SANTIAGO. PROBABLY A SECOND FROM EVERYBODY HERE. . AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT REQUIRES A ROLL CALL VOTE. SO NO HEARING, NO OBJECTION TO ADJOURNING. THE COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED AT THREE 30. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR INPUT, INPUT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE HARD WORK ON MEETING RESOLUTION TOO. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.