* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. 6 0 6, [00:00:01] WE [CALL TO ORDER] HAVE FORM PRESENT. SO I'M CALLING THE MEETING ORDER, HAVE A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AGENDA TODAY. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SWITCH ONE THINGS JUST A LITTLE SO WE CAN GET THE PRESENTATION AND THEN MOVE INTO ALL THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EXPERIMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN. IS THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY TO OBJECTIONS TO THAT? YES. OKAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL] SO WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO COMMUNICATION. IT IS, THAT'S MELINDA, MELINDA CHOW FIRST. YOU CAN . IT'S, UM, ANYONE WELCOME. HI. HI EVERYBODY. UH, I'M MELINDA CHAO. UH, I'M THE CO-EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF AUSTIN YOUTH WATCH. UH, JUST THANK YOU FIRST COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO, TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF FOR WATCH. UM, AND WE ALSO KNOW IT'S JUST RIVER WATCH, UH, FOR SHORT. SO WE ARE COMMUNITY PARTNER OF, UH, A CC, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW, UH, BEING A PARTNER HAS IMPACTED HUNDREDS OF MARGINALIZED YOUTH, PRIMARILY IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT. SO WE WORK WITH BIPOC AND MARGINALIZED HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, YOUNG ADULTS PROGRAMS, UH, AND OUR PROGRAMS REGULARLY PROVIDE DIRECT ACCESS TO NATURE, YOUTH LED WATER QUALITY AND WATERSHED RESTORATION PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN AUSTIN. UH, A MUCH GREATER AWARENESS OF ENVIRONMENTAL CAREERS AND ALSO A MUCH DEEPER SENSE OF BELONGING, UH, HERE IN HOME CITY OF BOSTON. UM, AND WE IMPLEMENT OUR PROGRAMS WITH EQUITY CENTERED WRAPAROUND SERVICES, NAMELY FULL TRANSPORTATION, UH, DEALS FOR STUDENTS AND THEIR HOUSEHOLDS AND PAID STIPENDS. SO YOUTH ARE BEING PAID TO SUPPORT AND LEARN ABOUT AND TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES ENVIRONMENTAL LEAGUES. UM, AND SO I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON, UM, A COUPLE OF EARLIER, A GREATER AWARENESS OF ENVIRONMENTAL CAREERS AND A DEEPER SENSE OF BELONGING IN AUSTIN. UH, SO IVANIAN IS ONE OF OUR FORMER STUDENTS WHO GRADUATED IN 2018. HE WAS ONE OF OUR QUIETER KIDS, UH, AND KIND OF SHY BACK THEN WHEN HE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, AND HE WASN'T SURE WHAT TO DO AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. UH, BUT RIVER WATCH HELPED HIM KNOW THAT WHAT EFFORT THAT WAS, THAT HE WANTED TO MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON OUR ENVIRONMENT AND IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO ONE OF OUR STAFF INTRODUCED HIM TO SOME FOLKS AT AMERICAN YOUTH WORKS AND THE TEXAS CONSERVATION CORPS. AND, UH, THROUGH THAT HE ALSO GOT INVOLVED WITH, WITH A TRIPLE C. AND OVER THE YEARS, IVAN MOVED FROM BEING A CREW MEMBER TO A CREW LEADER TO A FIELD SUPERVISOR. AND I'M REALLY PROUD TO SHARE THAT TODAY. IVAN IS FORESTRY TECHNIC SHOULD BE, OR THE CITY OF BOSTON. SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF HIM. UM, ANOTHER ONE OF OUR STUDENTS, CAMERON CROWDER, IS CURRENTLY ONE OF OUR YOUNG ADULT INTERNS. UH, AND HERE'S A DIRECT QUOTE FROM HER. UM, OUT OF ALL OF MY INTERNSHIPS, THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S BEEN THE MOST USEFUL TO ME. I'VE LEARNED ABOUT LOCAL AND NATIONAL WATER ISSUES AND PLANNED AND LED BY OWN RESTORATION EVENTS. AND BY THE WAY, CAMERON'S WORK HAS HELPED HUNDREDS OF NATIVE PLANTS, GRASS PLUGS AND TREES GET PLANTED THROUGHOUT OUR WATERSHEDS AND TONS OF TRASH REMOVED FROM LOCAL REEFS. AND SHE'S WORKING ON A WATER QUALITY TEST CERTIFICATE RIGHT NOW. UH, CAMERON ALSO SAYS, NOT ONLY DO THESE SKILLS AND EXPERIENCES MAKE ME A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR GRAD SCHOOL, BUT THEY'RE ALSO USEFUL TO MY CAREER. UH, MY SKILLS HAVE PROVED DRAMATICALLY AND I'M LEARNING SOMETHING NEW ALL THE TIME. SO THIS HAS BEEN VALUABLE BECAUSE THEY'VE TAKEN MY GOALS AND NEEDS IN CONSIDERATION. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE THE POINT THAT IS THESE TAILORED EXPERIENCES WITH YOUNG PEOPLE FROM MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE REALLY BEEN PROVEN TO BE IMPACTFUL IN THEIR LIVES AND IN THEIR TRAJECTORIES, UH, FOR THE LONG TERM. WE WORK WITH SO MANY STUDENTS, UH, MANY OF WHOM HAVE NEVER EVEN VISITED LADY BIRD LAKE BEFORE BEING A PART OF OUR PROGRAM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE LIVED IN BOSTON THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, AND ALSO BECAUSE OF RIVER WATCH, YOU FOUND A NEW APPRECIATION JUST FOR EVEN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE, LIKE PARKS LAKE, BUTTERMILK PARK, NEAR NORTHEAST HIGH SCHOOL, OR DOVE SPRINGS PARK NEAR AKENS HIGH SCHOOL. AND THEN FOR OUR PROGRAMS, THEY'VE BECOME THE YOUTH ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDS OF PARKS. UM, SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT AC CC IS A PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN, AND I JUST URGED THE COMMITTEE TO PLEASE ENSURE THAT THIS PLAN FOR A CC ALSO INCLUDES THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS. TWO OTHERS HERE ARE REPRESENTED TODAY, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING FROM THEM. COMMUNITY PARTNERS SIGNIFICANTLY BROADEN THE REACH OF BASE C TO COLLECTIVELY ACHIEVE [00:05:01] CLIMATE RELATED GOALS FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON. WE CONTRIBUTE IMMENSELY TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR PROGRAMS ARE VITAL TO THE HELP THE PEOPLE AND THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN. THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. WHO'S NEXT? JOHN PARK. HI EVERYBODY. I'M PARK SMITH. I'M A CEO FOR AMERICAN YOUTH WORKS. UM, AND, UH, WE'RE A ORGANIZATION BEEN IN AUSTIN FOR ABOUT 49 YEARS DOING JOBS TRAINING, EDUCATION AND SERVICE PROJECTS THAT ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY WHILE ENGAGING YOUNG ADULTS IN JOB SKILLS TRAINING THAT WILL LEAD THEM TO CAREER PATHWAYS. WE'VE BEEN A PART OF, UH, PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN, DOING ENVIRONMENTAL WORK FOR 29 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE. UM, I STARTED IN THE FIELD BUILDING TRAILS AND DOING HABITAT RESTORATION WORK WITH OUR CREWS MANY YEARS AGO AND HAVE SEEN THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE COME UP THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER OF. SO FIRST IS A BIG THANKS TO THE CITY FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF YOUNG ADULTS TRYING TO FIND THEIR OPPORTUNITIES AND PATHWAYS TO GET INTO FAMILY SUSTAINING CAREERS. IT HAS RESULTED, THIS PARTNERSHIP HAS RESULTED IN, UH, TONS OF WORK GETTING DONE FOR THE CITY THAT THE CITY HAS TO DO ANYWAY. WE MAINTAIN YOUR HABITATS, UH, WE BUILD YOUR TRAILS. YOU'VE BEEN IN ANY PARK IN AUSTIN, YOU'VE FELT THE IMPACT OF THE YOUNG ADULTS FROM, UH, AMERICAN YOUTH WORKS DOING PROJECT WORK OUT IN THOSE THOSE SITES. UM, THIS AUSTIN CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORPS PROGRAM THAT YOU ARE NOW INHERITING IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UH, IS MOVING OVER FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND IT, UH, IT IS A VERY INNOVATIVE AND SORT OF CUTTING EDGE PROGRAM. SO ON MONDAY, THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED THIS AMERICAN CLIMATE CORE. YOU GUYS WERE FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF THE GAME DOING THIS, UH, BACK IN 2018 WHEN THIS PROGRAM LAUNCHED. AND IT WAS USING SOME OF THE ARPA FUNDS THAT, UH, WERE TO RESPOND TO COVID. AND THE CONCEPT WAS TO HIRE YOUNG PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED, UH, MOST MARGINALIZED, AND TO HAVE THEM LEARN THE SKILLS THAT COULD EMPLOY THEM IN CONSERVATION AND GREEN JOBS THAT WILL BE HERE, SORT OF THE, THE MOST IN DEMAND CAREERS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY THESE DAYS. UH, THE GREEN JOBS INDUSTRY IS GROWING FASTER THAN ANY OTHER. AND SO, UM, WHAT WHAT THIS RELATIONSHIP BASICALLY DOES IS IT IS IT, UH, IT'S REAL WORK IS GETTING DONE THAT THE CITY HAS TO DO, MAINTAIN YOUR HABITATS. WE, WE WORK IN YOUR WATERSHED PROTECTION AREAS, WE'RE RESTORING THE FLOOD PRIOR, FLOODED OUT AREAS OF ONION CREEK AND, AND WE'RE ENGAGING YOUNG PEOPLE FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE IMPACTED BY PRIOR WHAT, UH, IS OFTEN TERMED AS ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE IN THAT THERE HAVE BEEN PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN LONG IGNORED IN TERMS OF, UH, THE ACCESS TO GREEN SPACES AND RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES. AND SO IT'S REAL PEOPLE FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES DOING REAL WORK THAT THE CITY HAS TO, UH, GET DONE. AND THE WHOLE INTENTIONALITY BEHIND THIS IS HAVING REAL RESULTS IN TERMS OF IT'S A TRUE PIPELINE TO EMPLOYMENT. HALF OF YOUR URBAN FORESTRY STACK FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN, OUR ALUMNI OF THE AUSTIN CIVILIAN CONSERVATION BOARD OF OUR PROGRAM. AND SO, UM, THE INTENT OF HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO THIS WORK TO TAKE ON THE EMPLOYMENT THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO, TO OVERSEE THIS PROGRAM HAS DONE IT. AND SHE GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF IVAN WHO CAME THROUGH HER PROGRAM. SO THEY A COMMUNITY PARTNER. THAT'S MY TIME. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING THE STAFF THAT THE CITY HAS THAT ARE SUPPORTING ACCC. IT'S, IT'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS IMPACT, UH, HAVING THE CITY'S COMMITMENT BE SO OBVIOUS. UH, THEY COME AND GIVE RESUME WORKSHOPS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY RESULTED IN AT LEAST 18 PEOPLE BEING EMPLOYED JUST FROM THE FEW COHORTS WE'VE HAD THROUGH ALREADY. UM, THOSE ARE JOBS THE CITY HAS. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHASE WRIGHT. HELLO, MY NAME IS CHASE WRIGHT. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HUNGRY HILL FOUNDATION. UH, WE'RE A HOLISTIC WORKFORCE, UH, FOUNDED IN EAST AUSTIN. WE HELP OUR UNHOUSED IN, UH, POST INCARCERATION INDIVIDUALS, UM, REINTRODUCE THROUGH SOCIETY THROUGH WORK OPPORTUNITIES. UH, WE AIM FOR NO BARRIER, LOW BARRIER WORK OPPORTUNITIES. UH, THESE ARE THE JOBS THAT NO ONE WANTS. UM, THROUGH THIS, THROUGH SEEKING THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS, WE FOUND THE A CC COURT, WE DECIDED TO COLLABORATE AND STARTED HELPING INDIVIDUALS WHO IDENTIFIED AS UNHOUSED OR UNDER-RESOURCED. WE HELPED THEM TRANSITION FROM UNHOUSED BACK INTO BEING HOUSED THROUGH OUR WORKFORCE OPPORTUNITY, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT NO SOLUTION, NO ONE SWITCH FITS ONE INDIVIDUAL. UH, THESE INDIVIDUALS MEET PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL, [00:10:01] UH, WHEN THEY REENTER INTO SOCIETY. UM, WE RECOGNIZE AS A MULTI-TIER WORKFORCE, UM, WHICH ALLOWS AN INDIVIDUAL TO COME AS YOU ARE, COME AT WHATEVER LEVEL YOU ARE SO THAT YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL DAY AT WORK. UH, WE'RE ABLE TO PRETTY MUCH PAY ATTENTION TO YOU AS A PERSON AND CERTAIN WE LIKE TO CALL IT A CENTER, A PERSON-CENTERED ENVIRONMENT. UH, WE, WE LIKE TO WORK WITH OUR CASE MANAGERS, OUR COACH, OUR CASE MANAGERS, ALLOW OUR WORKERS, UH, THE CONFIDENCE THEY NEED SO THEY CAN COME FROM LIVING IN A PARK OR AN ENCAMPMENT AND START THEIR DAY, UH, ON REINTEGRATING INTO SOCIETY. UH, THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT POINT. THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE RECEIVED CAME FROM PARK FARMERS WHO WORK. UH, WE HAVE WATERSHED DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE LITTER ABATEMENT. ALL THESE ARE JOBS THAT ESSENTIALLY NO ONE WANTS TO PICK THE TRASH, NO ONE WANTS TO GO IN THE CREEK, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MAINTAINED SO THE WATER CONTINUES TO FLOW. OUR GUYS, THE GUYS THAT WERE CONSIDERED IN LAST PLACE, OUR SECOND CHANCE WORKERS TOOK THIS JOB, HONORED THAT JOB, AND IT GAVE THEMSELVES EMPOWERMENT. SO FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS, WE'VE HAD INDIVIDUALS, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY OVER 187 INDIVIDUALS REINTRODUCED SOCIETY THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS. UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ALSO HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO STAYED IN OUR PROGRAM AND BECOME WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL MENTORS AND SPONSORS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY NOW THEY'RE BRINGING PEOPLE AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE BEHIND THEM TAKING THE SAME ROUTE THAT THEY TOOK TO BECOME SELF-SUSTAINABLE. UH, IT BRINGS US HERE TODAY. WE ARE SWITCHING OVER FROM PARTNER DEPARTMENT INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. WE, FOR ONE, WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT OUR MEASUREMENTS OF SUCCESS ARE IN OUR PEOPLE AND IN OUR COMMUNITY. UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THESE FUNDS. WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP GIVING INDIVIDUALS SECOND CHANCE WORK OPPORTUNITY, NO BARRIER WORK OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME AS THEY ARE, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN BE PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS. UH, HERE IN AUSTIN, UH, I BROUGHT ALONGSIDE ONE OF OUR SUPERVISORS, HE'S NOW ACTUALLY APOLOGIZE, HE'S NOW DIRECTOR OF OUR HCC PORTION OF OUR PROGRAM. UH, AND I WOULD LIKE HIM JUST TO SHARE HIS JOURNEY FROM WHERE HE STARTED TO WHERE HE IS NOW, UH, NOT EVEN A FULL 14 MONTHS LATER. HELLO, I'M JACQUE QUIN JACKSON. UM, I AM AS SAID, DIRECTOR OF HUNGRY HILL, A CCC PROGRAM OVER AT, CALL IT THE HC. UM, I LIKE TO REALLY JUST MAKE SURE I KNOW WHERE I CAME FROM AND TO WHERE I AM NOW AND HOW MUCH OF A SUCCESS STORY REALLY IS FOR THE MIND FRAME THAT I HAD AT THE TIME OF MY INCARCERATION, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE. UM, I WAS LOCKED UP IN 2013 FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, FELONY. UH, FROM THAT TIME TO NOW, I, I WAS MAYBE ABOUT 12 YEARS. I DID FIVE AND THEN I DID FOUR. SO OF COURSE I GOT OUT AND I WENT RIGHT BACK, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO, UM, WHEN I GOT OUT THIS LAST TIME, I, I CAME TO A TC, UM, THE A C PROGRAM. I GOT OUT IN MAY 23RD OF THE PAST YEAR. I CAME ACROSS , CAME ACROSS, UH, THE HUNGRY HILL FOUNDATION AND THE PROGRAM IN THE HC PROGRAM. UM, AND OUR FIRST DAY OUT I WENT, TALKED TO, ACTUALLY I TALKED TO UH, AND HE TOLD ME TO COME BACK TOMORROW AND I HAVE WORK, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, I'M NOT THINKING, THEY'RE NOT REALLY GOT UP TO. I GO BACK AND AS YOU SAID, WORK, GO BACK EVERY DAY. WORK, WORK, THEY HAVE WORK, WORK EVERY DAY. AND IT'S FOR SOMEONE GETTING OUT OF PENITENTIARY AND HAVE, ESPECIALLY BEING IN A HALFWAY HOUSE, THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS SET IN FRONT OF ME. AND A LOT OF IT IS IDENTIFICATION. UM, WORK HISTORY, OF COURSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WORK HISTORY COMING FROM THE PENITENTIARY. UM, JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY SET IN PLACE FOR YOU THAT A LOT OF FELONS AND, AND UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS WILL ACTUALLY GET DETERRED FROM. WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE BARRIERS. SO ME AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, LIFE JOURNEYS TAKE YOU WHERE THEY TAKE YOU, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, ALL OF US AREN'T SUCCESSFUL. AND YOU IN THE A CCC PROGRAM AS A BUILDING POINT. AND FROM THAT BUILDING POINT, MY STEPS, KEVIN, PRIEST, PRIEST AND THESE GUYS WERE BLESSING TO ME. AND, AND IN MY EYES, ANYBODY WHO HAS THEIR UNSPOKEN FOR ACCEPT BLESSING THAT WE HAVE PROGRAM. SO, UM, AS OF NOW, THROUGH THE PROGRAM, I HAVE FOUND MULTIPLE SOURCES OF WORK, UH, FREELANCING OF COURSE THROUGH THE COMPANY. OF COURSE I'M RECKONING OF THE COMPANY NOW, UM, FOR THE A CC PROGRAM. A CCC PROGRAM WITH THE COMPANY. AND I HAVE NOW SELF-SUSTAINABLE AND I'M ABLE TO PAY MY OWN BILLS, UH, LIVING ON MY OWN. I WENT THROUGH A TRANSITIONAL HOME, OF COURSE, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH THESE GUYS AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ABOUT THAT. AND NOW I'M ENGAGED TO BE MARRIED IN OCTOBER. LIKE I'M, I'M DOING PRETTY GOOD . SO , I WAS LIKE, NO, I SHARING OUR SIX MINUTES. IF I CAN JUST END OFF THE AT TC PROGRAM IS THE ALSO AUSTIN TRANSITIONAL CENTER. IT'S A HALFWAY HOUSE WHERE OVER 283 CLIENTS ARE RELEASED FROM INCARCERATION. NOW IF THESE INDIVIDUALS [00:15:01] LEAVE THERE WITH NO CASE MANAGEMENT, THEY ARE IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFIED AS HIGH RISK INDIVIDUALS. SO BECOMING IN THE HOUSE. SO YOU TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THAT LEAVE JAIL, LEAVE PRISON, AND THEY COME BACK WITH NO RESOURCES, DEFINITELY NO WORK OPPORTUNITIES. US HAVING NO VARI, NO VARIED WORK OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH A CC WAS REAL INTENTIONAL. 'CAUSE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY IF YOU CAN HIRE THEM OR THEY BECOME A PART OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, OUR GREATEST CONCERNS. WE WANT NO INDIVIDUAL TO LEAVE A SITUATION OF BEING UNHOUSED OR INCARCERATED AND HAVE NO OPPORTUNITIES. A CC PROVIDED THAT AVENUE TO SELF-SUFFICIENCY. AND WE HOPE THAT THE EBP RECOGNIZE THAT BECAUSE ALONG WITH JACK COMES ANOTHER 238 INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SUSPECTED TO BE OUT IN THE NEXT MONTH AND A HALF. UH, AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SOME WORK FOR THE LAND, UH, SINCE WE KNOW AUSTIN HOUSING CRISIS IS UNREAL FOR EVEN INDIVIDUALS LIKE MYSELF. UH, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU TIME. THANK YOU. DID YOU SIGN UP TO SPEAK? IF NOT NO, HE ATTENTION TO INFORMATION. THANK YOU. THANK Y'ALL. DO WE HAVE OTHER, SO ELIZABETH RE . HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, ELIZABETH. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS, UH, IS THIS ELI? I DON'T THINK, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ELIZABETH TO ME. IS ELIZABETH ON THE LINE? OKAY, WELL IF ELIZABETH'S NOT THERE IS PAUL ROBBINS ON THE LINE? OKAY, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, COMMITTEE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEP. CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, GOOD EVENING. I AM PAUL ROBBINS. I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVIST, CONSUMER ADVOCATE, VICES CHAIR OF THE CITY'S RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON TWO SUBJECTS. THE FIRST IS WATER. I DO NOT CLAIM TO KNOW EVERYTHING. YOUR COMMITTEE'S, UH, ABOUT YOUR COMMITTEE'S, PROPOSALS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN, BUT I COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING ON YOUR WEBSITE THAT DEALS WITH AUSTIN'S WATER SITUATION WITH GLOBAL WARMING. OUR WATER SITUATION IS GOING TO BECOME MORE FRAGILE. AS OF TODAY, THE HIGHLAND LAKES WERE ONLY 42% FULL. OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IS LEAKING HEAVILY. OUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE LUXURY OF LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION. WHILE OTHER TEXAS CITIES CHARGE STEEP PREMIUMS IN VARIOUS OTHER LOCALES, BOTH IN AND OUT OF THIS COUNTRY, AGGRESSIVE RECLAMATION OF WASTEWATER IS BEING PURSUED. FOR EXAMPLE, IN SINGAPORE, UH, THE RECLAIMED WATER IS SO PURE THAT IT EXCEEDS STANDARDS FOR DRINKING WATER AND IS SOLD AS A PREMIUM PRODUCT TO THE CHIP INDUSTRY. THESE ARE JUST A FEW IDEAS AND OBSERVATIONS AND THERE IS ENOUGH TALENT IN THIS TOWN TO COME UP WITH A MUCH LONGER LIST. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SUCH A LIST, AND YOU MIGHT CONSIDER GETTING ESTIMATES ON COSTS SO THAT THE BETTER IDEAS, UH, CAN BE PUT INTO THE INVESTMENT PLAN OR BE PLACED AS A PRIORITY, AS BEST OPERATIONAL PRACTICE. MY SECOND POINT ON ENERGY IS GREEN CHOICE. THE GREEN CHOICE PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS PURCHASE OF 100% VIRTUAL GREEN ENERGY IS OBSOLETE. IT WAS A GREAT PROGRAM WHEN IT STARTED, UH, AND ALLOWED AUSTIN ENERGY TO BUY MORE RENEWABLE POWER. BUT AUSTIN NOW EXCEEDS 50% GREEN ELECTRICITY AND IS ON TRACK TOWARDS 80% IN THE FUTURE. MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY IS NOT THE PROBLEM. THE PRIORITY IS NOW TO PROVIDE DISPATCHABLE RENEWABLE ENERGY WHEN IT IS NEEDED. I HAVE RESEARCHED THIS SUBJECT IN SOME DEPTH AND CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, BUT MY REQUEST IS THAT YOU INCLUDE REPURPOSING OF GREEN CHOICE FUNDS FOR DISPATCHABLE RENEWABLE ENERGY IN YOUR RECOMME IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO ON THE INVESTMENT PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ELIZABETH. VY MORE CHANCE TO GET ON? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S MUTED. SHE'S MUTED HERSELF. IS [00:20:02] THAT OBJECTION? UNMUTE. OKAY, ELIZABETH, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, CAN YOU PLEASE HANG UP AND CALL BACK IN? 'CAUSE WE'RE UNABLE TO HEAR YOU. SO WE'LL DO THE MINUTES AND THEN IF YOU CAN HANG UP AND CALL US BACK, WELL, THERE'S A AS WELL. OKAY, WELL, IS ANYBODY ELSE NOT ONLINE? OKAY. UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M ADAM GREENFIELD WITH SAFE STREET AUSTIN. THANKS FOR TAKING MY COMMENT. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK SO FAR ON THIS. UM, I KNOW I'M STATING THE OBVIOUS, BUT THERE IS NO, UH, PARALLEL WITH THE THREAT, UH, TO OUR SPECIES AND OUR PLANET AS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. THIS IS THE GREATEST CHALLENGE WE HAVE EVER FACED. UH, IT REQUIRES US TO, UM, THINK BIGGER THAN WE'VE EVER THOUGHT BEFORE AND THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN WE'VE EVER THOUGHT BEFORE. I THINK MEASURES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY UNTHINKABLE SHOULD NOW BE THINKABLE. UM, AS, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION IS RESPONSIBLE, IS THE LARGEST SOURCE OF OF CARBON EMISSIONS IN AUSTIN. AND SO WE REALLY HAVE TO FRONT AND CENTER TRANSPORTATION IN OUR RESPONSE. UM, I EMAILED YOU YESTERDAY, UH, ON BEHALF OF SAFE STREETS AUSTIN, WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PLAN, UM, , THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION'S, UM, FUNDING PACKAGE, UH, THE FARMER CITY GREENWAY PACKAGE. AND ALSO, UM, OUR OWN, UM, INTERNAL PROPOSAL, CITY LEAP. UH, WHICH BASICALLY PROPOSES TO, UH, TO TAKE ALL ARTERIAL ROADWAYS IN AUSTIN. FOUR LANES WERE BORN CONVERT AT LEAST ONE LANE TO, UH, EITHER PROTECTED BIKE LANES OR BUS LANES. SO I, I THINK I SPECULATE HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE KIND OF STAYED AWAY FROM BIG CHANGES IN OUR ARTERIALS 'CAUSE IT WAS TOO BIG TO THINK ABOUT. NOW IS THE TIME TO, TO, TO GO BACK TO THAT. OUR, UH, THE ARTERIALS ARE WHERE OUR CARBON EMISSIONS, UM, FROM TRANSPORTATION ARE LARGELY HAPPENING AND WE'VE GOT TO THINK BIG AND THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT 'EM. UM, OUR OWN ROUGH STUDY SHOWS THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 110 MILES OF THESE, UH, WITH A QUICK BUILD, UH, BUILD OUT. WE COULD, UH, FOR SOMETHING LIKE 40 MILLION, UH, OVER ALL THESE, UM, QUITE QUICKLY WITH, UH, WITH PRETTY, UH, EXTENSIVE RESULTS. UH, OUR ARTERIALS, UH, ARE OUR MOST DIRECT ROUTES ACROSS TOWN. THEY'RE THE SIMPLEST WAYS TO GET AROUND. WE HAVE TO TACKLE OUR ARTERIALS IF WE ARE GOING TO TACKLE THE CLIMATE CRISIS. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT EARLIER IS THAT PEOPLE ASK WHAT ARE THE PRICE TAG FOR THESE IDEAS? WE CERTAINLY SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE PRICE TAG IS, BUT ALSO WHAT IS THE PRICE TAG OF NOT SPENDING THIS MONEY? WHAT IS THE, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE SAVINGS THAT WE COULD, UM, WE COULD INCUR IF WE TAKE THESE MEASURES? AND ONE EXAMPLE, I MAY MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, BUT, UH, WHEN THE CITY OF AUSTIN DID A FOUR LANE TO THREE LANE ROAD CONVERSION OVER THE LONGHORN, UH, BRIDGE LONGHORN DAM BRIDGE IN 2021, THAT PROJECT COST $2.2 MILLION AND IT TOOK FOUR MONTHS TO MAKE BACK THE COST OF THAT PROJECT. COMPREHENSIVE CRASH COST SAVINGS. SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT, UH, WE, WE CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO BE DOING THIS KIND OF TREATMENT ON OUR ARTERIALS. THIS WILL BE A HUGE MONEY SAVER FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. SO, UM, GOOD LUCK IN YOUR DELIBERATIONS TODAY AND AT FUTURE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR FINAL, UH, PROPOSAL PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. YEAH, CAN I GET IT PLEASE? OH YEAH, I CAN EMAIL YOU AFTER I DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL CALL. SHOULD IF WE, YEAH, CAN I GIVE ELIZABETH AGREE ONE MORE CHANCE TO COME ON ONLINE? DOES THAT SEE ON THERE? MAYBE WE CAN, WHOEVER'S PHONE NUMBER ENDS IN THREE ONE, WHOEVER THAT IS, CAN YOU COME OFF OF MUTE? HOW, HOW DO THEY COME OFF OF YOU? OF STAR SIX? YEAH, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA SWITCH FROM OVER. MY NAME IS SCOTT JOHNSON AND I DID SPEED DURING THE INPUT SESSION AT CITY FALL AND MY TOPIC WAS, WAS ASPHALT. ASPHALT DOES HAVE A CARBON COMPONENT TO IT. [00:25:01] AND THIS IS NOT, I DON'T WORK FOR THIS COMPANY OR HAVE THIS COMPANY, BUT THERE WAS A , IT WAS ACTUALLY DONE AT THE END OF 2022, BUT WAS REPORTED OUT BY THE MEDIA IN SUMMER OF 2023. AND THE ISSUES WITH ASPHALT ONE IS THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS HAS EMISSIONS AND CARBON EMISSIONS LAYING THE ASPHALT HAS EMISSIONS, PARTICULARLY SECONDARY AERO CELLS, WHICH ARE PARTICULAR MATTER 2.5 MICRONS OR LESS. THIS COMPANY HAS HAD REPORTS DONE ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DONE IN TEXAS AND IN OTHER PLACES BY THE TEXAS, UH, TRANSPORTATION, TEXAS A M TRANSPORTATION INSTITUTE WHOSE OFFICES ARE NEARBY HERE. AND THIS WAS PUT ON JUST A MILE APPROACH. IT DOES HAVE A COST AND IT SHOWS THAT THE REFLECTIVE HEAT COMING FROM THE SUN IS REDUCED GREATLY AND THEREBY THE TEMPERATURE ON THE ROADWAY AND NEAR THE ROADWAY CAN REDUCE. BUT, BUT IT HAS OTHER BENEFITS AS WELL. AND ONE OF THEM IS PROVIDING SOME CLEANING, CELL GENERATING AIR PURED SURFACE THAT REMOVES NITROGEN SIZING, WHICH IS THE MAIN COMPONENT OF, OF OZONE RATHER LOW OR ALSO ORGANIC COMPOUNDS, WHICH IS THE OTHER MAIN COMPONENT OF GROUND OZONE AND AIRBORNE POLLUTES, WHICH ARE THESE PARTICULATES THAT GET VAPORIZED PROCESS 60%. IT'S NOT JUST AIRBORNE VEHICULAR EMISSIONS ARE PASTURE. SOME OF THOSE EMISSIONS THAT SOME OF YOU KNOW ARE FROM TIRES AND FOR BRAKE MININGS AND THEY CREATE HAVOC AND THIS ADDRESSES THAT. ALSO, THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS AS WELL OTHER THAN ALSO LENGTHENING AT THE TIME THAT THE ASPHALT IS NOT DETERIORATED BY THE SUN. SO AS GOOD YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELAY ASPHALTS FREQUENTLY GO DOWN. SO THERE'S SOME GOOD QUALITY INFORMATION HERE THAT I'LL GO OVER. I'LL GO TO THE OTHER SLIDE, INTEREST OF TIME, BUT I DID NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION. WE'VE GOTTEN NEW INFORMATION VERY RECENTLY ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS AND CO BENEFITS STUDY. SO THIS IS, THIS REPORT WAS DONE BY THEN, BUT IT'S BASED ON INFORMATION THAT I BELIEVE IT'S SOUND. AND THIS IS INTERESTING, THE ESTIMATED COST FOR TIME. MANY OF YOU CAPTURE, YOU CERTAINLY HEARD ABOUT PARA AGREEMENT AND, AND THEN THIS IS WHERE THEY, WHAT'S CALLED PHOTO CATALYTIC PAYMENT IS DOWN HERE AT THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY YET NOT NOT IN ADVOCATE FOR THE BEST PLAN TO LOOK AT THIS OPPORTUNITY. AND BELIEVE ME TO COVER MILES AND MILES AND MILES, IT'S GONNA COST MONEY, BUT THE BENEFITS SHOULD OUTWEIGH LOW, LOW CARBON PERCENT HERE THAT YOU ALL GOT A REPORT ON JANUARY OR FEBRUARY THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. SCOTT, COULD YOU EMAIL THIS TO EVERYBODY? MAYBE IF YOU DON'T MIND PULLING OUT SOME OF THOSE KEY INFORMATION. YEAH, I'LL TRY, I'LL TRY TO DO THAT RATHER THAN SEND YOU THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. WELL YOU CAN SEND THE WHOLE THING TOO, BUT JUST, JUST, JUST REFERENCE. YES. YEAH. THANK YOU. WHO ELSE DO WE HAVE? WE SAID DAVID, YOU'RE AT THE TABLE. IS THAT 'CAUSE YOU WANTED TO SPEAK? NO. OKAY. DO YOU MIND TAKING AND SEAT ON THE LETTER? NO THANKS. OKAY. UM, OKAY. OUR ONLINE SPEAKER, IT'S DISAPPEARED IT LOOKS LIKE. ALL RIGHT. UM, GREAT. SO THANKS, THANKS FOR EVERYBODY FOR THE, THE INPUT. THAT WAS GREAT. UM, I WOULD LIKE IF WE CAN DO THE, THE COLAB PRESENTATION. WE HAVE THAT READY TO GO? YES. AWESOME. WE CAN DO THEM. OH YEAH, YEAH. SORRY. [1. Approval of minutes from the March 27, 2024 meeting of the Joint Sustainability Committee.] I FORGET OUR MOST EXCITING AGENDA ITEM. UH, AND GET A MOTION TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM LAST TIME. SO MOVED THAT A MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND. ANY ANYTHING WE NEED TO ADJUST? NO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HANDS. ALL THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THE MEETINGS [00:30:01] ARE THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. NOW FOR [4. UT-City Climate CoLab – Structure, Priorities, and Potential Research Areas - Dev Niyogi, University of Texas-Austin.] THE MORE EXCITING COLAB GETTING TO. UM, SO THAT'S GOING ON JUST UH, FANTASTIC. I THINK WHAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS, UH, , UH, SO I THINK JUST SOUTH I CAME TO AND I CAME IN FROM INDIA AND WHERE I WAS THE STATE ANTHROPOLOGIST ALMOST EIGHT YEARS PRIOR TO WHICH I WAS DISTINCT ANTHROPOLOGIST . AND IN ALL SPACES I'VE BEEN IN, UH, ENVIRONMENTS WHERE UM, WE HAD THESE TOOLS OF CLIMATE DATA AND ANY TIME THERE WAS ANY INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE STATE OR AGENCY BETWEEN AGRICULTURE, ENERGY, SO FORTH, THEY SOLD IT FOR ANALYSIS. AND UH, THAT WHICH ARE REQUIRED IN THE CONTEXT OF UH, OPERATING INFORMATION SAW UH, SOME OF THE EDUCATED ON THE KIND OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE FOR THE CITY, FOR THE CITIZENS AND COMMUNITY AND FOR DIFFERENT AGENCIES. UM, THIS IS WHERE I THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING IN CONVERSATION WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE OR SOMETHING WHICH COULD BE A COMBINATION OF WHAT BEAUTY BRINGS IN TERMS OF RESEARCH AND THE IDEAS AND WHAT THE CITY IS DOING TERMS OF ITS INVESTMENTS. SO AND SO WE CREATED THIS CONCEPT CALLED CITY CLIMATE , WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TO EMPOWER THE COMMUNITIES WITH LOCALIZED DATA. UM, AND A ULTIMATE IS DONE , WHO'S THEIR , WHO IS ACTUALLY TEXAS AS WELL AS PRIVATE TEXAS 2050 AS WELL AS WITH WHO WAS ALSO FORMER UH, CHAIR FU, PART OF THE SMART CITY AND MOBILITY THAT ANNE, WHO IS UH, ALSO OUR WATER EXPERT WORKING TEAM AND WATER AND UH, ALSO IBA WHO IS UH, UH, A, THE THE MANAGING DIRECTOR FOR THE PLANET TEXAS 2050, WHICH IS INITIATIVE ACROSS, UH, UT INVESTMENT BY THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR RESEARCH TO BRING ALL THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE ON CLIMATE AND INVEST IT IN IT TO BRING THE FACULTY TOGETHER TO BRING THEIR ASPECTS TOGETHER. SO THE IDEA IS TO BRING UP A FRAMEWORK FOR IS TO CREATE SMART INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE WE MIGHT GO FOR ALL THE ASPIRATIONAL ASPECTS WE HAVE FOR NET ZERO BETTER HEAT, UH, REDUCE HEALTH, UH, RESPOND TO FIRE, FIRE RISKS AND HOW DO WE PLAN LONG TERM INVESTMENTS. SO I CAN JUST DRIVE THIS? YEAH. OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE I'LL HAVE TO SAY NEXT TIME. LET'S LIKE THIS NEXT. YEAH. SO THE URGENCY OF COURSE IS THE EXTREMES. UM, WE ALL NEED TO PLAN FOR IT. UH, WE HAVE FOUND THAT WITHIN THE CITY, CITY IS NOT DIS HOMOGENOUS BLOCK. I WOULD NEED TO TELL YOU THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES WHICH ARE GOING TO BE MORE DISADVANTAGED THAN THE OTHER THEY HAVE. UM, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO UNDERSTAND THAT GRANULARITY. AND AS THE CITY IS PLANNING ITS INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT, THERE ARE MORE AND MORE QUESTIONS COMING ABOUT CLIMATE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY MANY FEDERAL OPPORTUNITIES ARE NOW COMING UP. UH, PART FOR INSTANCE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS COMING UP WITH THE TREE PLANTING BORDERS COMING UP WITH REGARDS TO CARBON ZERO SUPPORT MANY FEDERAL OPPORTUNITIES WHICH REQUIRE SOME INFORMATION AND BASELINE FROM THE CITY. SO ON THAT END, WE OFTEN ALWAYS GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, UH, TO THE GLOBAL ASPECTS. SO WHEN WE HAVE THE GLOBAL INFORMATION, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE FAMOUS TEMPERATURE STRIPES, COOLER COLORS INDICATE THE YEARS WHICH HAVE RELATIVELY COOLER. AND AS THE YEARS HAVE PROGRESSED, WE HAVE SEEN WARMING. THIS IS FAIRLY WELL KNOWN AND THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE KNOW IN THE GLOBAL CONTEXT. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF USA, [00:35:01] UH, ACROSS OUR CONTINENTAL US WE FIND THAT SOME OF THE GLOBAL FEATURES GET REPEATED BUT THERE IS DIFFERENCE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU COME TO CONTINENTAL SCALE, WE CAN'T USE IT. JUST ONE BIG GLOBAL CONTEXT. IF YOU GO EVEN FURTHER, FIND THAT TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. YOU CAN SEE FOR TEXAS AND AUSTIN, WE CANNOT REALLY RELY ON WHAT IS HAPPENING GLOBALLY. IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF CLIMATE WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THIS NOTION OF JUST LOOKING AT A GLOBAL CONTEXT IS HELPFUL WHEN WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING WITH GLOBAL FEATURES LIKE EL NIO, LAINA, UH, SPEAKING OF WHICH WE ARE IN THE L NIO RIGHT NOW, WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET OUT OF THAT LN SITUATION IN ABOUT A MONTH. AND VERY RAPIDLY WE ARE GOING TO SWITCH THE CLIMATE FEEDBACK WHEN LAIA AND IT IS VERY LIKELY WE ARE GOING TO BE BACK TO WHAT IT WAS TWO YEARS NOW. SO DRY CONDITIONS AGAIN. BUT SO TO PUT IT SIMPLY, WHEN WE HAVE THE EL NINO, WE HAVE RAINS. WHEN WE HAVE LAINA, WE HAVE OUR DROUGHTS, WE WENT FROM THIS LAINA TO EL NINO AND WE ARE VERY FLIP QUICKLY FLIPPING INTO LAINA MODE AGAIN. ANYWAY, THAT'S A GLOBAL SIGNATURE AND WE USE THAT INFORMATION. IN FACT, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE USED THIS INFORMATION TO COME UP FROM GLOBAL KNOWLEDGE TO SOMETHING WHICH WE CALL CLIMATE PROJECTIONS INTO A PROCESS GOING DOWNSCALING, THIS IS A STATISTICAL APPROACH. YOU TAKE THE INFORMATION, PUT IT DOWN TO THE CITY SCALE. THIS HAS BEEN DONE FOR DEVELOPING ENERGY DEMAND, WATER DEMAND AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS ACROSS THE CITY IS A VERY STANDARD APPROACH AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. BUT THIS APPROACH OF JUST LOOKING AT GLOBAL WHERE YOU USE DIFFERENT MODELS AND THEN SOMEHOW GET INFORMATION ABOUT A CITY IS SUFFICIENT TO GET INITIAL INFORMATION. IT'S LIKE THIS, WHAT IT DOES NOT DO WELL. UH, WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE DO THAT IS THAT WE ARE FINDING, UH, THAT THE RAIN EVENTS ARE BECOMING MORE INTENSE. THEY WILL BE BECOMING MORE INTENSE. UH, THIS SHOULD BE COMING OUT ANYTIME WE BELIEVE. UH, THE TEMPERATURES ARE GOING TO BE HOTTER SURPRISE THERE. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE LESS FREQUENT BUT MORE INTENSE POLE EVENTS. THAT MEANS AS WE WALK, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT MANY UH, POLY EVENTS, BUT WHEN THEY DO OCCUR THEY WILL BE OVER A LONGER PERIOD AND MORE INTENSE TIME. SO THAT'S SOMETHING. AND OF COURSE WIND ARE ANOTHER FACTOR WHERE WE ARE GETTING HIGHER WIND CONDITIONS, UH, GOING FORWARD, WE DISCOUNT. SO THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT NEXT SLIDE. WHAT THIS DOES NOT DO IS TELL YOU OVER THE CLIMATE IN YOUR BACKYARD AND MANY APPLICATIONS WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO DO DECISIONS, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO PUT BUS STOPS? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO DO ROADS? THOSE KIND OF INFORMATION IS VERY LOCALIZED INFORMATION THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE. AND SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WHICH IS VERY CITY CENTRIC AND WE CALL IT THIS CLIMATE IN MY BACK. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WHAT WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER OR WHAT WE HAVE UNDER THE COLAB IS A FRAMEWORK WHERE WE GO TO THE COMMUNITIES OR WE TALK TO THE LOCAL DATA SETS, GET TO LOCAL DATASET, BRIDGE IT UP WITH WHAT WE GET FROM THE GLOBAL MODELS. AND WHEN WE PUT THE LIVED EXPERIENCE OR WE PUT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY INFORMATION WITH THE GLOBAL KNOWLEDGE, THEN TOGETHER WHAT WE HAVE IS LIKELY GOING TO BE MUCH MORE USEFUL THAN JUST US, MUCH MORE USEFUL. AND THAT CAN BE USABLE PRODUCT IS WHAT THAT IS WHAT WE SEEING. IF YOU GO TO NEXT SLIDE, THAT IS THE BASIC PREMISE OF THE COLLAB. SO WHAT DOES THE, WHY DO WE NEED SUCH A CITY COLLAB? 'CAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT WILL AVOID THAT WE KNOW EXISTS IN CITIES, NOT JUST IN AUSTIN, BUT EVERYWHERE THAT NATIONALLY WE HAVE THE NATIONAL CLIMATE CENTER, WE HAVE THE STATEWIDE, WE HAVE THE STATE CLIMATE OFFICE. REGIONALLY WE HAVE CLIMATE HUBS FOR AGRICULTURAL WATER, BUT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR CITIES. AND THIS IS ACROSS US. AND SO WE HAVE STARTED THIS WORKING WITH CITIES AND AUSTIN IN PARTICULAR . IT ALSO GOES INTO THE FACT THAT CITY NEEDS ARE QUITE UNIQUE. THE DATA NEEDS ARE VERY LOCALIZED. WHAT HAPPENS WITH EAST AUSTIN, WHAT HAPPENS IN ? WHAT HAPPENS WEST AUSTIN? WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY. THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT RISKS AT PLAY, FIRE IN ONE PLACE, HEAT IN ANOTHER, FLOOD IN ANOTHER. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VERY LOCALIZED INFORMATION. THE DATA NEEDS ARE UNIQUE. THE OTHER THING WE FOUND IS THAT THE CLIMATE MODELS ARE VERY COMPLICATED AND THE CITY STAFF OR ANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE USING THIS INFORMATION. YES, THEY'RE VERY TALENTED, THEY GET TO DO THIS, BUT IT IS JUST THAT THE VOLUME OF KNOWLEDGE THAT IS NOW COMING THROUGH, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH AND YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME FREEDOM TO WORK WITH THEM. UM, WE CAN PUT THE NEXT ONE AND THAT'S WHERE, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY FROM THE UTA, THE BIG FACTOR IS THAT STUDENTS WANT TO DO WORK WHICH IS REALLY RELEVANT TO THE CITY. AND SO PUTTING IT IN THE CONTEXT THAT IF I'M DOING SOME RESEARCH, SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY CAN USE IT MEANS I HAVE TO TALK TO PEOPLE FROM THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHERE THIS COMES UP AS A STAKEHOLDER PARTNERSHIP. THAT BASIS. [00:40:01] UH, SO WHAT IS THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE? THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE AT THIS STAGE IS WE HAVE DUTY INVESTMENTS IN TERMS OF A CLIMATE PROGRAM COORDINATOR. UH, WHERE, LET ME GO BACK INTO THE STRUCTURE FIRST. WE HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER WHO WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN, WITH ZACH AND MARK AND THAT WHOLE TEAM THERE. WE WILL GET A PRODUCT DEVELOPER. UH, THIS PROJECT MANAGER IS ESSENTIALLY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY AND THAT NEED WILL BE CONVEYED TO RESEARCHERS AND THEN THE PRODUCT DEVELOPERS SOMEWHERE WHO WORKS WITH DIFFERENT FACULTY AND THEN WORK WITH STUDENTS AND GET THOSE KIND OF TOOLS AND DATA SETS PREPARED SUCH THAT THEY ARE MORE RELEVANT AND USEFUL FOR THE CITY. THEN WE WORK WITH THE CORE TEAM, WHICH MEETS EVERY TWO WEEKS. WE KEEP TALKING ON OTHER KIND OF PROJECTS AND ACTIVITIES. WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF A GROUP LIKE HERE WHERE WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME MENTORING ABOUT HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE PROJECTS. I'LL GET TO THAT. AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING PLAN ALSO HAVING TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SAME CLIMATE OFFICE. SO WHETHER SERVICE AND SO FORTH GOING FORWARD. UM, THE INVESTMENTS WE HAVE IS THAT FROM THIS UTN, WE HAVE A CL UH, PROGRAM COORDINATOR THAT HAS BEEN FUNDED, UH, . UH, WE HAVE TWO POSTDOCS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY THE SCHOOLS TO WORK ON SCIENCE ASPECTS. ON THE CLIMATE ASPECTS. WE HAVE FACULTY TIME FOR FACULTY TO WORK ON THIS. WE HAVE HAD UH, THE LBJ TEAM ACTUALLY GIVE FIVE GRADUATE RESEARCH ASSISTANTS TO WORK OVER THE SUMMER WITH THE CITY PROJECTS IN TERMS OF IMPACTS ON EACH OF THE HAZARD FEED, WIRE, WATER AND SO FORTH. AND THEN WE OF COURSE HAVE RESEARCH GRANTS. SO ALL OF THESE ARE THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING INTO THE COLAB FROM THE CITY END. THERE HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD SUPPORT AND WE HAVE HAD ONE POSITION THAT HAS JUST BEEN FILLED. UH, ALEXIA , SHE WILL BE JOINING FROM ME FIRST AS A CLIMATE PROGRAM MANAGER. UH, WE WILL HAVE, WE HAVE AN ADVERTISEMENT ROUND NOW OPEN FOR A PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT THAT SHOULD BE COMING IN HOPEFULLY IN A MONTH OR SO. AND WE HAVE THE ILA PROJECTS BETWEEN THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND UT FOR UH, THROUGH COSTING WATER FOR INSTANCE TRYING TO DELIVER THE WATER FUTURES AND SO FORTH. AND WE ARE WORKING ON SOME SORT OF WAY ACCESS AND SUSTAINABILITY PLANS. SO THIS IS THE STRUCTURE IN PLACE. UM, I'M GOING TO, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE SHOW YOU SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE NOW LOOKING TO GO FOR IN TERMS OF THE COLAB. UH, ONE IS HOW DO YOU USE THIS CLIMATE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND HOW CAN WE MAKE THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE USEFUL FOR THE CITY? THAT'S FIRST. SECOND IS UNDERSTAND WHAT INFORMATION IS ACTUALLY NEEDED BY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. WHEN DO THEY NEED THIS CLIMATE INFORMATION? UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS, WHAT FORMAT AND FOR WHAT. SO EACH OF THAT, UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS ITSELF IS ONE OF THE MAJOR GOALS THAT WE WOULD HAVE. UH, WE WANT TO HELP BE PART OF HEAT MAPPING AND ANY OTHER CLIMATE RISK TASK FORCE THAT WE WANT TO DO AND CREATE SOME PRODUCTS EVERY FEW YEAR, MONTHS OR SO THAT CAN BE USED IS THE GENERAL IDEA SLIDE. UM, SO WHAT ARE THIS ONE IS THIS RATING HEIGHT DATA SET THAT WE HAVE CREATED. THIS IS THE ENTIRE CITY'S AND REGION AROUND WAITING HEIGHT. SO THIS HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO STUDY IN TERMS OF DISPERSION AND SO FORTH THAT HAS SHOWN THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE JUST WHY DO WE NEED A BE HEIGHT? BUT THIS IS REALLY USEFUL WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO LOCALIZE INFORMATION. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. YOU'LL SEE THIS IS THAT THERE'S A VIDEO WE CAN PLAY. YEAH, SO THIS IS A DATA SET WE HAVE CREATED, THIS IS THE TWO METER TEMPERATURE ACROSS THE CITY EVERYWHERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE HOT SPOTS AND THE COOL SPOTS WHICH ARE BASED ON SHADING, WHICH ARE BASED ON TREES AND SO FORTH. AND THIS IS GOING WITH THE GRANULARITY WHERE YOU ARE BETWEEN THE STREETS ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOODS, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU CAN START GETTING INFORMATION AT AN UNPRECEDENTED TWO METER INTERVAL. NORMALLY THIS INFORMATION I'LL SHOW YOU WAS AVAILABLE AT CAMP MABERRY AND AT AIRPORT AND THEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GRID DATA EVERY 10 KILOMETER, SO NOW WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION THAT'S ONE OF THE EXAMPLE THAT WE ACROSS AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THIS URL AND YOU CAN YOU ALSO MOVE AROUND AND ZOOM IN AND ZOOM UP SLIDE. THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF THE PROJECT WE HAVE. UM, JUST . YEAH, SO OTHER PROJECTS THAT GROW UP IS WHERE WE TALK TO COMMUNITY AND TRY TO GET LIVED EXPERIENCE AND THE CITY DEPARTMENT AND TRY TO COME UP WITH THIS THEMES OF THIS COMBINATION OF THE DECISIONS AND DATA AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO ONCE SUCH CAME UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT, I WAS SHOCKED TO KNOW THAT ROUGHLY THERE ARE ABOUT 30 PLUS SMALL BURNS OCCURRING ACROSS THE CITY EVERY DAY AND MAYBE MORE. AND THERE'S THIS SMOKE THAT IS COMING OUT AND I WASN'T AWARE OF IT AND UH, [00:45:01] WHERE THE SMOKE GOES OR WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THAT SMOKE, THERE WAS A NEED FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SAY HOW CAN WE DEVELOP SOMETHING WHICH IS EDUCATIONAL. AND SO WE WANTED TO START IT JUST AS A SIMPLE EXPERIMENT. AND SO WE WENT IN AND WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE FIRE TOOL WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHENEVER THERE IS A FIRE WARNING IT GETS MARKED. IT CAN GO IN THERE AND FIND THE SMOKE, HOW IT'LL SPREAD ACROSS THE CITY. AND THIS COULD HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR HEALTH WAS BREATHING. IF YOU HAVE SOME ASTHMA OR OTHER FACTORS LIKE MY DAUGHTER HAS, THEN SOME OF THESE FACTORS DIDN BECOME IMPORTANT AT SOME POINT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OTHER PROJECTS WE ARE LOOKING INTO IS TRYING TO DEVELOP SOME WEATHER ACADEMY, UH, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ACROSS INTO PLAN ABOUT WEATHER INFORMATION AND WE COULD USE THE NEW RESOURCES AVAILABLE FROM ACADEMIA, UH, BRING IT WITHIN THE CITY PURVIEW, UM, POLICY BRIEFS OR WORKSHOPS THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED, SOME OF THE DECISION CALENDARS THAT ARE TALKED ABOUT. AND THEN SUB I'LL, I'LL GO INTO NEXT SLIDE. SO ONE OF WHICH IS THIS WORK WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON THE WHITE PAYMENT. I WAS UH, IMPRESSED ABOUT THE POINT YOU MADE EARLIER, UH, WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT IF YOU COME UP WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF SOLUTIONS, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY SEE WHICH ONE IS WORKING, WHAT COULD BE THE COST AND BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? WE'RE STARTING TO THINK ON THAT LINE. ANOTHER, COULD WE SAY THE POSSIBILITY PILOT? UH, OR IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOME BUILDING ENERGY WORK THAT COULD BE REQUIRED, WHAT CAN BE THE SEASONAL OUTLOOKS AND IMPACT OF TREES AND GRADUATE PROJECT? LET ME JUST SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THIS LAST PART ABOUT IMPACT OF TREES OR WHAT I MEAN IF YOU TARGET THE GRADUATE RESEARCH TO BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE OF VALUE. UH, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SO WE HAVE THIS STUDENT, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TYPICALLY FOR AUSTIN AIR TEMPERATURE. AND THIS IS A REGION. THIS REGION IS THIS BOUNDARY HERE. THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US. IF YOU LOOK AT AIR TEMPERATURE DATASET, THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL GET IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEHOW SATELLITE IMAGERY AND PROCESS IT AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE, HOTPOT, COLD SPOT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING A GOOGLE ALERT TRAVEL. IF YOU'RE GOING FROM POINT A TO POINT B. SO IF YOU FUSE ALL THIS INFORMATION, THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN GENERATE ABOUT WHICH ARE HOT NEIGHBORHOODS, COOLER NEIGHBORHOODS, WARMER NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO FORTH. SO THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF THE HEAT EXPOSURE THAT CAN BE PROVIDED BY LOOKING AT THIS TECHNOLOGY AND AND IS THE GRADUATE STUDENT WORK THAT IS GOING UP. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ONE THING PREVIOUSLY, ONE THING THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING IS CAN WE CREATE A TOOL HOW PEOPLE CAN BE LESS EXPOSED. IF YOU'RE WALKING TAKE A ROAD A OR ROAD B, YOU'LL GET LESS HEAT EXPOSURE IF YOU'RE GOING FROM SCHOOL, COMING HOME, GOING TO SCHOOL, WHATEVER, WHICH ROAD CAN YOU TAKE WHERE TIME IS NOT JUST A FACTOR BUT THE HEAT EXPOSURE AND HEAT STRESS IS A FACTOR. THIS COULD BE A TOOL THAT CAN BE USED INTEGRATED FOR. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE NEXT ONE IS LET'S ASK THE QUESTION WE WANT TO PUT PLEASE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING PARK AND I WE HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR A WHILE AND UH, LET'S SEE IF YOU WANNA PUT IT IN PUBLIC SPACES WHICH ARE WITHIN A ONE MILE BUFFER. SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. JUST KEEP GOING. SO WE IDENTIFY THOSE POTENTIAL LOCATIONS AND SAY WHERE DO WE HAVE MOST HEAT OCCURRING ACROSS THE CITY TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THEN WE CAN NOW THEN ASK THE QUESTION, I HAVE TWO 50 NEW TREES, WHERE DO I WANT TO PLANT? AND THEN YOU CAN OPTIMIZE THIS USING SOME ROUTINE AND THEN SUGGEST THESE PLACES WHICH COULD MAKE SENSE. NOW IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, ASK THE QUESTION, I HAVE MORE TREES AND I WANT TO DO IT A TWO YEAR, TWO MILE BUFFER. SO YOU CAN COME UP WITH THESE SCENARIOS AND THEN MAKE THEM AVAILABLE. UH, NOW IS THIS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO? PROBABLY NO. BUT THIS BECOMES ONE TOOL AND TEMPLATE THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY USE WHERE DATA IS BEING USED FOR AN ACTUAL ON GROUND IMPLEMENTATION IS WHAT OUR PRACTICE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THIS IS ALL THE OPEN SPACES IN OUR PUBLIC OPEN SPACES IN AUSTIN AND THIS IS WHERE WE CAN PLAN 18,000 TRADES BASED ON WHAT WE CAN SEE I GUESS POINT NEXT SLIDE. SO WE CAN CONTINUE DOING THIS KIND OF WORK FOR ENERGY USE. WE HAVE FOR INSTANCE, WHAT HAPPENS ABOUT ENERGY USE IN BUILDINGS IN FUTURE CLIMATE. I'LL NOT GO INTO DETAILS OF THAT BUT UH, NEXT ONE PLEASE. UH, SAME ONE WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW IT HAS BEEN DONE ACTUALLY FOR THE UT CAMPUS RIGHT NOW THAT EVERY BUILDING YOU CAN CLICK ON IT, IT TELLS YOU WHAT IS THE ENERGY USE, WHAT WILL BE THE ENERGY USE IN THE FUTURE CLIMATE IF THIS CONTINUES AND WE CAN DO THIS FOR THE . AND WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE LAST SLIDE AND THAT IS THE ASK I HAVE OF YOU. THE FOUR THINGS I WOULD LIKE YOUR INPUT ON IS GIVEN THAT THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS, SO MANY STUDENTS AND FACULTY CAN DO, HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE IT? THAT'S ONE WHAT COULD BE A GOOD MECHANISM? SECOND IS HOW DO WE FIND A GOOD WAY OR HOW DO WE SEEK YOUR SUPPORT IN FINDING [00:50:01] WAYS TO FIND SUSTAINED SUPPORT FOR THIS KIND OF EFFORT THAT IS PEOPLE WHO ARE HIRED AND THEY'RE SUSTAINED GOING FORWARD. THIRD IS A NOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO EVERY FOUR YEARS A CLIMATE ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY WHICH IS IN SYNC WITH WHAT IS DONE GLOBALLY WITH IPCC, THE INTERNATIONAL PANEL OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS DONE DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND THEN IN SOMEWHERE THERE IF WE DO CITY-BASED CLIMATE ASSESSMENTS, WE HAVE VERY UTILIZED INFORMATION. AND LAST IS, COULD THIS KIND OF FRAMEWORK BE A PLACE WHERE WE COULD START DISCUSSING NEW TECHNOLOGY, NEW SOLUTIONS IN SORT OF INDEPENDENT WAY IN TRYING TO VET OUT NEW TECHNOLOGIES, NEW IDEAS THAT WILL BE COMING IN CLIMATE SPACE. SO I'LL STOP HERE, UH, BUT JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS VERY EXCITING THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. UH, IT HAS BEEN REMARKABLE TO WORK WITH CITI. IT HAS BEEN REMARKABLE TO LEARN FROM THE COMMUNITY AND JUST SEE THE ALL KNOWN PROGRESS AND UM, ACTIVITIES THAT ARE JUST GENERATED FROM HERE. AND SO I THANK YOU FOR THE HELP. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU HOW TO GO FORWARD AND UM, ANY NEXT STEPS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHAT A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. UM, WE DIDN'T GET THAT PRESENTATION THAT CIRCULATED. WONDERFUL. UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO YOU HAVE THE LOCATIONS AND WHAT SIZE THE ROLE WHICH READS THE CITY ALREADY ON THAT MATH? , HERE'S THE THING. AS A RESEARCHER I CAN SAY ANYTHING ON A BROAD AND A GRADUATE STUDENT CAN COME OUT THAT. SO WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS. THE UTILITY OF THAT WILL HAVE TO COME BY TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND TALKING TO THE CITY. SO WE HAVE ANALYSIS WE CAN SHOW WHERE THAT IS ONE WAY YOU CAN PLACE IT. BUT IF, SORRY IN TERMS OF THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE ON THAT, THOSE THREE LOCATIONS, THE SIZE? NO THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE. YES. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT. YEAH, JUST ASK DO FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COMPLIMENT. I THINK THAT IS AMAZING. I COULD ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. SO IT'S HELPING US UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND UH, POSSIBLY MAKE OBJECTIONS BEFORE WE BEGIN TO ATTEMPT TO IMPLEMENT SAVING A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF MONEY LIKE WHERE TO GO. WE TOO AGREE ON THAT? YES. IF Y'ALL COULD JUST SPEAK UP, I KNOW PEOPLE ON WEBEX SOMETIMES HAVE HAVE A HARD TIME HEARING SO IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE PROJECT MAKE SURE I'M THEY HEAR YEAH, YOU KNOW THIS IS IN CITY HALL BELOW TECH ROOM. UH, YEAH I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION FOR SURE. VERY FASCINATING STUFF. UH, FOR THE CITY CLIMATE ASSESSMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW THAT Y'ALL UH, SUGGEST DOING IT FOR FOUR YEARS. UH, Y'ALL HAVE, BUT I THINK YOU SAID THAT YOU WIND TO WIND UP SO DOUBLING YOUR BODY OR SOMETHING THAT DOES IT. UH, I WAS CURIOUS, WHEN DO YOU THINK UH, WOULD BE THE BEST YEAR? I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE ELECTION YEAR ARE ALWAYS A GOOD TIME TO GET PEOPLE FOCUS ON STUFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE PASSING BUDGETS. OBVIOUSLY BUDGET PASSES EVERY YEAR, RIGHT? BUT UH, I WAS CURIOUS IF Y'ALL HAD SORT OF LIKE A TIMEFRAME THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAD CHARLIE, I HAVE NOT, UH, THOUGHT THROUGH THE TIMELINE. I JUST FIRST THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR THIS CONCEPT EVEN MAKES SENSE. UH, SEEMS LIKE IT IS MAKING SENSE AND WE'LL GO INTO THE SECOND LEVEL OF THINKING ON THAT. YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BE POSTED THAT TYPE STUFF. SO IF ANYBODY, MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD AGREE TO ISSUE THAT, UM, EQUITY INCLUSION IS INCLUDED. IT IT BE STRONG UT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IF THESE WERE TO GO ACCORDING, DEFINITELY GO SEE BLACK HAND BROWN ASSOCIATED DEEPLY. UH, IT IS GOOD INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE USED IN IN WAYS THAT IS GOING TO MAKE UH, GOOD INVESTMENTS. UH, AND WHEREVER THEY'RE MOST NEEDED. BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WENT LIKE THE WEATHER IS ALMOST, COMMUNITIES ARE ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY'RE MADE UP BY PEOPLE AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST TAKE A SCHOLAR AT A COMMUNITY AND WE TRY TO APPLY THE SAME SOLUTION OVER AND OVER. ALMOST LIKE LOOKING AT GLOBAL DATA VERSUS PINPOINTING THAT COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY ANALYZING THEIR COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR COMMUNITY'S NEEDS TO GIVE THEIR COMMUNITY A SPECIFIC PRESCRIPTION BASED ON ITS PARTICULAR NEEDS. AND TO ME THAT'S LIKE HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE CUSTOMIZED SOLUTION BASED OFF THEIR COMMUNITY. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL MAN. I THINK IT'S REALLY APPRECIATE I MAKE A, IN SOME CONTEXT AND I'VE OVERUSED IT SO I DID NOT USE THAT SLIDE, BUT THE SLIDE HERE WOULD BE, IF YOU RECALL THERE IS OF THE BLOCKBUSTER VIDEOS [00:55:01] STORE USED TO GO THERE, BUY VIDEO, UH, RENT A VIDEO AND WATCH IT AND IT WAS LIKE HERE'S THE INFORMATION, GO TAKE IT. AND WE ARE NOW ALL MOVED INTO THIS NETFLIX OR PRIME VIDEO ERA. THINGS ARE GIVEN TO US WHAT YOU WANT AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE CLIMATE DATA IS RIGHT NOW. WE ARE STILL IN THAT BLOCKBUSTER ERA. YOU GO THERE TO A STORE, GET WHAT YOU WANT, IT IS NOTHING IS BEING CUSTOMIZED TO YOU AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY CUSTOMIZING THE CLIMATE INFORMATION TO THE WAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT AND HOW YOU WANT TO GIVE BETTER YET WHAT'S NEEDED. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT, IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S NEEDED BASED LIKE GREAT COMMUNITIES OUTLOOK. OTHER COMMENTS, OPTIONS? ANY COUNCIL? I DID HAVE THAT ON THE, UM, YOU WERE ASKING FOR PROJECT THOUGHTS. SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE ALL THE DATA THAT WOULD LEND ITSELF TO DOING LIKE THE CITYWIDE SOLAR POTENTIAL ASSESSMENT. YOU HAVE ALSO LIKE GAUGE OF BUILDING INFORMATION THAT CAN BE LAYERED ON THAT OR I WILL LOOK AT YOU SET SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT CAN PUT INTO FRAMEWORK BUILDING HEIGHTS. YES, SURE. I THAT COULD BE USEFUL. YEAH. UM, A USEFUL STUDY TO HAVE. UM, JUST YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT WE NEED POLITICAL CLEAN POWER GENERATION AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHEAP AVAILABLE LOANS, ARE CRITICAL IN THAT, SO WE GET TO KNOW KIND OF WHERE AND HOW MUCH GOOD. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS TO SHARE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I ENJOYED COMING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO, SORRY THAT WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE AN APPLAUSE EMOJI. MY BAD. THERE WE GO. VIRTUAL BUS. IF WE ASK IF WE EVER ANSWER THIS QUESTION THOUGH, HE ASKED WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS WE COULD TAKE ANYBODY? GIVE HIM SOME FEEDBACK. I THINK PROBABLY PUTTING STUFF IN THE GRASS, I THINK IT'S VALUABLE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. THE TREE IMPLEMENTATION ASPECT OF IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONSTANTLY STRUGGLING WITH. EVEN RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT HOW MANY TREES WE CAN PLANT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S, EXCUSE ME, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S REAL DATA IN REAL TIME AND IT'S ACTUALLY ABLE TO BE DONE. BUT IF IT IS, TO ME THAT BRINGS A WHOLE NOTHER LAYER OF VALUE TOWARDS US. THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE IMPLEMENTATION ASPECT OF THESE. THAT TAKES OUT A LOT OF CONSULTING TYPE OF WORK, A LOT OF GUESSWORK. AND IT'S LIKE IF THAT STUFF IS REAL THAT YOU GOT, IT'S LIKE THAT'S OUR SOLUTION THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON. NOT JUST BECAUSE WE LIKE OUR COMMUNITIES OR WE THINK THE EAST SIDE IS UNDERSERVED, BUT BECAUSE THIS MAP THAT IS PULLING UP HEAT PROJECTION IS SHOWING US THE HOTTEST AREAS AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO PUT THE TREES IN. NOT IN SOME AREA THAT WE THINK HAS BEEN UNDERSERVED FOR YEARS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT SERVING UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES, IT'S ABOUT OFFSETTING CLIMATE CHANGE. AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, THAT THAT FOCUS. SO IF IT'S REALLY THE WAY THAT YOU SAY IT IS, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CULTIVATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH WHAT THEY HAVE GOING ON. AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANY, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR NOBODY GIVE HIM ANY RESPONSE. THIS IS A VALUABLE TOOL THAT THEY HAVE Y'ALL, IF IT'S REALLY KICKING LIKE THAT. YEAH, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT PRIORITIZING, UM, NOT JUST TREAT PLANTING BUT TREAT PRESERVATION AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS TOOL COULD BE USED TO, YOU KNOW, HELP PRIORITIZE AREAS THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO RESERVATION AS WELL. AND I, I WONDER IF, IF, IF CAN LAYER IN THAT INFORMATION WHERE HOME TREES ARE, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR THAT. YEAH, I THINK, UH, HAPPY TO IS THE QUESTION THAT WOULD BE WE TAKE ON SUCH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DOING PROBLEM, SO, UH, THANKFULLY AND RESOURCE, SO THE THE PROCESS OF FRAMEWORK WE SELECT, WE PRIORITIZE PROJECTS IS I THINK PROBLEM [01:00:01] MANY JUST LIKE I A COUPLE , THEN I LOOK FOLLOW UP LATER FOR THE UM, YEAH, JUST TO GO UP TO POINT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SHADED AREAS, IDEALLY LIKE AREAS. SOME WE CAN, IF IT COORDINATE ALSO WHETHER THOSE THINGS ACTUALLY HAVE SIDEWALK, THEN THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING. BUT USUALLY BE, INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY BUILDING PLACES, ACTUALLY I THINK WHILE I SHOWED A LOT ABOUT TREES, IT'S EFFORT GOING ON IN TERMS OF UH, FIRE AND SMOKE. THERE'S OF COURSE LOT GOING ON WHERE THEY POSSIBLY WATER PROJECTION AND WE LOVE TO ENERGY FOR ENERGY. SO AGAIN, UH, HOW STRUCTURED THIS ? SO WELL I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU BACK REGULAR BASIS TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. ALRIGHT, UM, WE GO BACK [2. Conduct Joint Sustainability Committee Officer Elections for the 2023-2024 Term.] UP, UH, WITH OUR REST OF OUR AGENDA, UM, WE HAVE OFFICER ELECTIONS, SO NEED TO ELECT TO CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, SO WE CAN DO THAT AND WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN CONVERSATIONS. I'LL START BY SAYING IF ANYBODY IS BONNIE, WHICH CHAIR I'M NOT. OKAY. YES. I THOUGHT YOU WAS GONNA VOLUNTEER. WE NOMINATION. YEAH. YES. OKAY. WELL I APPRECIATE THE NOMINATION IN THE SECOND, BUT I DO, LET'S TAKE A MOMENT TO JUST CHECK IF ANYBODY ELSE IS THE CHAIR, ANYBODY WANTING TO TAKE ON THE ROLE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS STOP WANTS TO HELP WITH THIS? YEAH. MAD. OKAY. UH, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CHAIR. UM, WHY WE DO THAT? WE'LL DO VICE CHAIR, UH, DEFENSE. SO GUESS ALL IN FAVOR, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND. AND GARY, YOUR CAMERA IS NOT WORKING SO WE'RE NOT SEEING YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR US, SIR, BUT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST SEEING RAY. OKAY. OKAY, THANKS. ALRIGHT, SO WE ALSO NEED VICE CHAIR. I UNDERSTAND DIANA IS, IS READY TO PASS THE BATON. IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AND THERE IS SOMEONE WHO IS INTERESTED. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER CHARLOTTE DAVIS FOR VICE CHAIR SECOND. I SECOND THAT. ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT SECONDS. WE'VE GOT THIRD. IS ANYBODY ELSE, UH, LOOKING TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR? ALL RIGHT, GREAT. CHERYL, IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME. UH, WELL I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S GONNA RAISE THEIR HAND, SO ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HANDS, PLEASE. I RIGHT. AWESOME. THANK, THANK YOU CHERYL. THANK YOU. EACH SPEECH TALKING? YEAH. TIME. PRESTIGIOUS. OKAY. SO WE'LL [Items 3 & 5] DO FIRST STOP PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO THE WORK GROUP, UM, ITEMS. THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT OF BLURRING IN THE LINES, BUT WE'LL LET YOU SURE. YEAH, [01:05:28] EVERYBODY. ZACH, ER OF SUSTAINABILITY. SO JUST AS A STATUS UPDATE ON STAFF RESPONSE TO THIS ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN, THE SOLUTION, UH, THE FIRST TWO SLIDES HERE ARE JUST SUMMARIZING AND GREEN, UH, FIRST SLIDE HERE IS COUNCIL ESSENTIALLY WAS ASKING FOR, UH, ASKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND ASSOCIATED COSTS OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAMS THAT FOR CATEGORIES, NEW CARBON EMISSIONS, DECREASED WATER, IMPROVE WATER QUALITY TODAY IN ADVANCE THE STATE AND MOVE CITY OPERATIONS. AND THEN FOURTH . SO VERY BROAD ACTIVITIES THERE. UM, IT SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED THE STRICT SUSTAINABILITY ACTIVITY, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON THIS MONTH, NEXT WEEK. UM, AND THEN IT ESSENTIALLY ASKED TO PRESENT WHETHER RECOMMENDATIONS COULD BE FILED THROUGH, WHICH DIDN'T SAY FIND MONEY, SAY FIND, NOT JUST SAID ESSENTIALLY ATTACK, WHICH COULD BE. SO UTILITY RATES AND ESSENTIALLY I THINK AS ANYTHING, BASICALLY ANYTHING , ANY PROPOSAL CONNECTED BACK TO THEM GOES BACK TO, BECAUSE THERE ARE RULES AND GUIDELINES THAT COULD BE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND COULD ACTUALLY CONNECT BACK TO TAKEN. SO ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY PROPOSED IN WATER IS RECOVERY CATEGORIES, UM, I'M SURE ARE SECURE. DEFINITELY STANDARD, ALMOST ANYTHING PROPOSED WILL CONNECT BACK TO RATES AND THEY CAN DO THEIR OWN REVENUE. THEY CAN DO ALL SORTS OF RATES, FUNDS, BUT ALL MIXED BACK. EXCUSE ME. SO WHEN YOU SAY CONNECTS BACK TO THEM, INCREASED RATES, DOES THE CONSUMER IMMEDIATELY FEEL THAT? WHO NO, I'M JUST SAYING IT, IT HAS CONNECT BACK TO RATE STRUCTURE IN SOME THINGS. SOME PROGRAMS POSSIBLY FILL THE MONEY, SOME FROM BILL, SOME SAFETY UTILITY, THE CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN TAKE SAY A CERTAIN 5 CENTS FROM UTILITY RATE IS GOING TO GO TO FUND IT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT BEEN MY DIFFICULTY IN TRYING TO BRING SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE OF THIS FACT THAT LOST WATER, AUSTIN ENERGY HAS THIS ABILITY TO FUND MAJORITY OF THINGS THAT THEY FEEL LIKE I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO TRY TO GET ADDITIONAL IDEAS OF WHAT CAN BE BECAUSE THEY CAN. YEAH. SO I THINK, SO I THINK WHAT'S CLARIFICATION THERE, SO ONE WOULD BE LIKE AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, UM, IF THE IDEA WAS TO ADD A BUNCH OF OTHER SOLAR, RIGHT? SO AN IDEA AROUND A SOLAR WOULDN'T BE THE GENERAL OBLIGATION IS THAT LIKE STATE RESTRICTION OF LOCAL PROCESS? IT HAS TO DO WITH UTILITY RATES AND GUIDELINES AROUND WHAT UTILITIES CAN USE FUNDING FOR, HOW WE CAN RAISE REVENUE, HOW FUNDING COMES TO THOSE. CAN YOU FOLLOW UP WITH US ON THE DETAILS OF THAT? 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, IN A BIT OF A, YEAH, BIT OF A CURVE BALL I THINK. UM, NOT THAT I'M PUTTING THAT ON YOU, BUT JUST I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION WE WERE WORKING FROM. SO BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND HOW FIRM, WHY YEAH, PROBABLY GET SOME CLARIFICATION TO GET BACK TO YOU, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT LIKE THERE'S SOME PRETTY CLEAR LINES HERE ABOUT ANYTHING ENERGY, SALES AND USAGE ALL GONNA BE . THE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS THAT BY PASSING, BY THIS BY STAFF RECOMMENDING ITEMS OR DOES NOT MEAN THAT THOSE THINGS IMMEDIATELY GET FUNDED AND DONE. IT MEANS THAT IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN CITY COUNCIL EMBARKS [01:10:02] DECISION WITH CITY ORGANIZATION ABOUT HOW THEY COULD RAISE THOSE FUNDS. SO LIKE ALL THINGS RELATED TO PROBABLY END UP GOING TO A DISCUSSION IN OVERSIGHT FOR ME AND THEY DISCUSS, UM, GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE REGULAR CITY BUDGET. THERE'S S THE BUDGET LIKE GRANTS. GRANTS IS A TOUGH ONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE GRANTS ARE ALL ALWAYS, THERE'S A LOT OF INFLATION ION RIGHT NOW. IT IS REALLY HARD TO LINE THESE THINGS UP, LIKE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, PROGRAMS. SO LIKE, I MEAN YOU CAN ALMOST SHARE GRANTS FOR EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY AND THEN, SO IT'S A REAL, IT'S REAL. AND THEN THE LAST ONE GENERAL SWITCH, PROBABLY PULL BACK FROM THAT PETITION FIGURE LAST ABOUT THE KIND OF GENERAL OBLIGATION , SO, WHICH FOR SURE IT'S COMING IN. OH, IT SAYS MAY INCLUDE NOVEMBER 24. OKAY. YEAH. WELL THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHAT IT SAID. UH, BECAUSE GENERAL OBLIGATION GO TO VOTERS FIRM. SO THAT WOULD BE . I ALSO GAVE THE DIRECTION TO LOOK AT ALL OF THESE, UH, COUNCIL PLANS, UH, AND ESSENTIALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE AREAS WHERE WE ARE NOT FOR FULFILL CERTAIN GOALS AND TARGETS IN THOSE PLANTS. AND SPECIFICALLY ZERO SERIOUS BECAUSE ACROSS A LOT OF THESE CLIENTS, MANY OF THE THINGS WE ARE REACHING TARGETS, WE ARE LOOKING FAST FORWARD. BUT THEY, OKAY, SO, SO THE FINAL PRODUCTS, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE BEING AND MY TEAM ON OUR SIDE ARE LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY DELIVERING NOW IS THIS LIST OF PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS IN FOUR AREAS. AND THEN FOR EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS, THEY HIT A GENERAL SCOPE AND DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE POST SPECIFIC ALIGNMENT OF PLAN GOAL, FILLING THE TIMELINE, SHORT, MEDIUM, AND LONG TERM BECAUSE THAT PLAYS GET FUNDED, GET FUNDED, APPROXIMATE COST. AND THEN AGAIN CHECK IN BOX, WHICH, SO HOW WE ENVISION THIS ALL COMING TOGETHER IS A MEMO THAT WILL DELIVER A COUNCIL WITH REPORT AND LIKE A LARGE THREAD, A LARGE SPREADSHEET THAT HAS ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ORGANIZED LINE OUT, LIST. UH, THERE WILL ALSO BE FOR ALL JS C RECOMMENDATIONS AND ANY OTHER COMMUNITY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE. THOSE WILL ALSO GIVE. AND UH, I, I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND LIKE CHANGE OUR, YOU GUYS ARE COMING UP WITH YOUR OWN WORK STAFF HAS OUR OWN INFORMATION. SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA PLAN TO DO IS BOTH LISTS OF THINGS IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S FLAT OR AREAS WHERE LIKE RECOMMENDED WITH MAN SHOULD BE PURCHASING PURCHASE AND PROTECTED, RECOMMENDED THE SAME THING. WE'LL ESSENTIALLY JUST HIGHLIGHT AND JUST, UH, THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THIS IS GONNA GET ROLLED INTO A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, SESSION MAY 28TH. IT'S TUESDAY OF WE SAY MAY 30, WHICH JUST ONE THING , UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT EXACTLY CLEAR YET, LIKE THE RESOLUTION OF MENTIONED PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT'S LIKE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION BY LEADERSHIP, CITY MANAGER OFFICE. THIS PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THIS, UM, IT'S VERY LEAST IT WILL BE IN AGENDA AND IT MAY BE FROM STAFF LIKE REQUEST OF CONS, ACTION. IT MAY ALSO THEY JUST [01:15:06] . OKAY. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT LIKE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. UH, IT'S A HUGE SIGN STAFF IN THIS TIMEFRAME. SO WE FIRST STARTED OUT CREATING THIS WHOLE CATALOG OF RULES AND STRATEGIES AND PLANS SO WE COULD IDENTIFY WITH THE GAPS, UH, DEPARTMENTS, UH, THE 15 DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH ALSO, WE WENT BACK AND WE'RE REVIEWING THEIR GOALS AND PLANS IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THEY ACHIEVED, WHAT THEY THOUGHT. WE STARTED FROM EARLY SPREADSHEETS WITH LIKE IDEAS. UH, WE CONVENED, UH, THE GROUP OF POINTS OF CONTACT FROM OUR 15 DEPARTMENTS LIKE THREE TIMES NOW. UH, WE GOT LIKE OUR SORT OF FIRST DRAFT OF PROJECTS WEEKS AGO. WE'VE BEEN SORT OF TRYING TO REVIEW AND CONSOLIDATE THAT LIST, FIND THAT LIST. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU GET IN A LIST FOR WATERSHED PARK, THERE'S A LOT OF UBER MAP. THESE THINGS FIT TOGETHER. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF JUST LIKE SORTING, THAT'S ALL THIS STUFF. UM, THE JS C IS PATHWAY. UM, AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF MOVING PRETTY QUICKLY FINALIZATION PHASE WHERE WE ARE LOOKING TO FULLY CATEGORIES, CATEGORIZE, , ALL OF OUR IDEAS AND THEN GO THROUGH SOME KIND OF ORGANIZATION JUST SO IT'S SIMPLER, UM, PULLING IT ALL TOGETHER, SPREADSHEET OR PRESENTATION. I THEN HAVE TO REVIEW FINANCE. I HAVE TO REVIEW WITH ALL THE DIRECTORS STANDS OVER ALL THINGS SO THEY CAN APPROVE WHAT GETS SAID. UM, AND THEN I RUN IT ALL BY CITY MANAGERS, EXECUTIVE TEAM ON, CAN BRING UP A BRAND NEW , JUST START. UH, THIS IS THE LIST DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BEEN SUPER ENGAGED IN THIS. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE HAD EVERYWHERE FROM ONE OR TWO PEOPLE TO LIKE SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE. SO ANALYZING, TRYING UP WITH JUST SO THEY, THOSE THIS MATTER. SO IT'S BEEN A HUGE EFFORT. SO JUST A HIGH LEVEL BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR. SO THIS WAS LIKE THE FIRST CUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, WHERE WE KIND OF SET A DUE DATE. WE GOT ALL THE DRAFT IDEAS IN. UM, WE GOT OVER A HUNDRED. UM, MANY OF THE PROJECTS CUT ACROSS THE, FOR PRIORITY AREAS YOU CAN SEE LISTED THERE AS FOUR AREAS AND THE SHORT LONG TERM, AND THIS IS BEFORE CONSOLIDATION. SO, UM, TONS OF IDEAS TO HELP SORT THROUGH. IT MAKES SENSE. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU MOVE ON HERE? UM, THE DIRECTION I WAS GIVEN FROM COUNCIL MEMBER TER WAS ALL OF THE PROJECT SHOULD FOCUS ON GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION. AND THEN THE OTHER THINGS WERE LIKE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. LIKE SECONDARY PRIORITIES BASICALLY. YEAH. THIS MAKES IT LOOK LIKE SOME OF THESE MIGHT NOT BE EVEN FOCUSED ON GRADE GAS REDUCTION. IS THAT NO, THAT'S, WELL, THE , ANY OF THOSE FULL COUNT, MY READ WAS THE SAME. BUT THEN I WAS TOLD VERY DIRECTLY THIS OTHER INSTRUCTION. SO I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE NO, I MEAN THE GUIDANCE, THE GUIDANCE THAT I GOT FROM THEM, THEY WANTED TO CREATE RIGHT. BENEFIT OR, BUT YOU SAY ENVIRONMENTAL, WHAT DO YOU, RIGHT. IN SOME, A LOT OF PLACES THESE THINGS GO, YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, BUYING AND PROTECTIVE PLANE. YOU SEQUESTER CARBON TO CREATE HABITAT, PROTECT WATER, YOU ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF PULLING THIS WHOLE AND COMMUNICATING IT IS THAT, UM, IT, AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT PRIORITIZATION. SO YOU CAN PUT FORTH A PROJECT, SHORT STATIONS VERSUS PROTECTING. SO IT'S [01:20:01] IN BOTH DEPARTMENT. LIM PROBABLY ACTUALLY CREATES BENEFITS. DEFINITELY IS A CREATE WATER. IF IT'S SOUTH FOR SAFETY OPERATIONS, IT'S NOT THERE. SO IS PART OF LIKE THE, IT'S IT'S SO BROAD. THEY CALL OUT SO MANY PLANS. WE'RE TRYING, LIKE, WE'RE DOING FEW QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION. SURE, SURE. UM, THANK YOU. UM, YOU ARE SLIDE TWO SLIDES BEFORE THAT WITH THE TIMELINE AND FINALIZATION. YEP. UM, YOU, SO ONCE WE GET OUR RECOMMENDATIONS VOTED ON, GET THEM IN, THEN THERE'S SOME WORK THAT HAPPENS THROUGH THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY TO PRIORITIZE. WHAT, WHAT ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS? I'M GONNA GET SLIDES. I'M NOT GONNA PRIORITIZE. I RECOMMEND, I'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE YOUR PROJECTS AND FULL LINE AND HOW AN EXTRA STAR IN TERMS OF, UH, THESE ARE SOME PROJECT CATEGORIES. SO LIKE SOME OF THE HIGH LEVELS SORT OF GROUPS OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP, UM, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS. UM, UH, SO THE FIRST ONE'S LAND ACQUISITION. SO LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LAND ACQUISITION ACROSS LOTS OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. ACQUISITION IN THE EAST ACQUISITION, WEST ACQUISITION OF AGRICULTURAL PROGRAMS, UH, PURCHASING LAND, OUTRIGHT BANKING, CONSERVATION EXPENSE, AGRICUL ARE ALL THOSE THINGS. THEY ALL DISCUSS. UM, WE MANAGE ACTIVITIES AND PROGRAMS. THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ONE. THE CITY KNOWS A LOT OF LAND ALREADY AND THERE'S THIS CROSS LAND EVERY TIME YOU BUY THEM. JUST ALWAYS ANYTHING THAT MONITOR IT, ET UH, SO LOTS OF LAND MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES AND ESPECIALLY TO CAPTURE. SO UNIVERSITIES IN THAT CATEGORY, UH, TREAT ASSESSMENT, INVENTORY AND MANAGEMENT, THAT'S BIG ONE THAT WAS JUST SUPPORTED BY STATE COUNCIL. , DSD CITY. SO TWO FOR THAT. UM, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, THERE ARE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF THINGS IN THAT PLAN THAT SOME POINTS ARE FUNDED, WHICH ARE NOT. AND SO THEY SORT OF LONG TERM PLAN EDUCATION, LOTS OF THINGS IN THAT CATEGORY. UM, FOR ALSO RESEARCH RECOVERY, THERE WERE NUMEROUS DIFFERENT IDEAS AROUND. THERE'S BEEN A CONVERSATION. TRANSFER FACILITY, ADDITIONAL RECYCLING. FACILITIES. FACILITIES, NUMEROUS DIFFERENT FACILITIES THERE. THANKS . UM, THE UNIFIED CITY OF CITY OF AUSTIN FACILITIES OPERATION MAINTENANCE AND MENT ROADMAP. THIS IS SORT OF A HOME PROGRAM TO BETTER REVIEW THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY TO WATER EFFICIENCY AND ALLAND THAT WE PROBABLY MANAGE THOSE ASSETS WITH ON BEING ACTUALLY BETTER OVER TIME. RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY SPOT, IT'S VERY DEFINED POSITION. UH, FLEET ELECTRIFICATION, SUPPORT VEHICLES AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S JUST WOULD BE JUST MAKING A ELECTRIC TO GET MORE MONEY QUICKER TO GO FASTER. UM, FULL COMMUNITY CLIMATE RESILIENCE ASSESSMENT PLAN. THIS IS THE THING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BY BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS RELATED TO CLIMATE RISK, WATER, DROUGHT, , EXTREMELY JUST THINGS THE CITY, CITY CAN DO THERE. UM, AGAINST RESILIENCE NETWORK THAT'S RELATED TO RESILIENCE HUBS AND JUST OVERALL RESILIENCE ACTIVITIES TO THE CITY. UM, AND THEN EXPANDED WHETHER , THAT'S JUST ONE IDEA THAT'S ACROSS. SO THAT'S JUST DO HERE FOR FAVOR ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS WHAT'S IN THE FIVE EQUITY PLAN, IT THERE ARE . [01:25:02] SO, UM, DISCUSSION AROUND A BOND. UM, I THINK IT SHOULD SLIDE FOUR. UM, BUT THE CITY ALREADY HAS MILLIONS OF UNSPENT PROGRAM, ONE CAPACITY. THOSE BONDS THAT NECESSARILY, BUT THERE'S LIKE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OUTSTANDING, IT'S NOT SPENT YET. UM, CAPITAL. SO THE CITY'S BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF TRYING TO LIKE HOW, UH, SO THEY ARE CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES IS WORKING ON THIS INTEGRATED NON PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT AND DELIVERY PLAN. UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PRESENTING TO THE NEXT APPROACH ON THIS. THE CITY COUNCIL THEY GIVE THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS. UM, SO WHAT THEY ARE LAYING OUT IS A VERY DETAILED PROCESS TO DEVELOP A 26 AND AGAIN, GENERAL OBLIGATION, VAGUE PHYSICAL THINGS, BUILDINGS, PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE EXCEPT FARM LIKE WATER LINES, TRUCTURE, THAT'S THE ADVERSE THEY'RE TAKING. SO IT FLIPPING LIKE PROJECTS MOVES THAT ARE IN THAT CATEGORY ARE FOR. SO THIS IS THE GUIDANCE THAT WE, YEAH, JUST . OH, LET'S SEE. SO PRIORITIZATION. UH, SO WE NEED TO USE SOME OF THAT. I WANNA SHOW EXPENSIVE PROJECT OR CHEAP PROJECT OR PROJECT WE KNOW DELIVER A LOT DOESN'T. SO WHAT WE ARE GONNA TRY TO DO PRIORITIZATION WITH GETTING HAVE, SO PROJECTS THAT ARE LIKE IN A CATEGORY, WE'RE NOT GONNA LIKE, SO WE'RE GONNA DO LIKE WITHIN THE GREENHOUSE CUSTOMER CATEGORY, WE'RE GONNA COMPARE THINGS TO EACH OTHER. SO THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS MAGNITUDE BY IMPACT. MANY OF THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT SUPER LOW , RIGHT? GENERAL IDEA FOR SOMETHING. SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT AVOID ON THINGS. UM, SO MAGNITUDE OF QUANTIFIED IMPACT IS 10,000 EVS, THE SAME 10,000 ACRES, WHICH MAKES BIGGER, UM, COST EFFICIENCY. SO TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH THOSE COST GOES IS DIVIDED. THE IMPACT WOULD CREATE, UM, ALIGNING COMBINED COBE IMPACTS OF TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. SO IF SOMETHING REDUCES EMISSIONS BUT IT ALSO RATES WATER BENEFIT TRYING JUSTICE, UH, THAT'S, AND YEAH, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO TO SAY THAT LIKE HOLD THIS IS GONNA PROVIDE LIKE THIS HOLD, THIS IS THERE. SO , BIG TIME , UM, EVERY, WE FALL OUT IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE SURE WE RUN SOME EVALUATION CRITERIA, SET PRINCIPLES THAT, UH, SAY THAT AGAIN, ALIGNMENT WITH JS C. SO I THINK SHOWN HAVE PLACE WHERE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD GIVE . UM, SO SORT OF LAY THIS OUT AT THIS MEETING. YOU GUYS HAVE GOT YOU MEETING NEXT TUESDAY. UH, AND THEN WE WILL BE IN THIS FINAL RUSH TO TRY FOCUS THIS INTO, UH, UNDERSTANDABLE PRESENTATION STORY AS WELL AS LIKE A DIGESTIBLE SPREADSHEET SUMMARY REPORT. UM, THEN AFTER CMO REVIEWS IT AND GIVES US THE FINAL THING BACK THAT I WILL HAVE TO FINISH UP. WHAT'S THAT? ? THAT WOULD BE DUE TO COUNCIL PROBABLY. SO WE'LL POST THINGS AND THEN THEY'RE SORT OF AHEAD OF TIME, SO WE'LL HAVE TO POST SOME SORT OF LIKE HOPEFULLY FINISHED PRODUCT ONCE LEADING AND THEN AGAIN PRESENT THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YEP. QUESTIONS. SO I GUESS JUST A, I GUESS AFTER HEARING THIS WITH THE STAFF, 'CAUSE I'M ONE OF THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF SOURCES OF WATER AND [01:30:01] YOU KNOW, WAS LIKE, HEY, JSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY SAID, OH, WE INTERNALLY WORKING IN THE STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS. AND I'M LIKE, OH, OKAY. I GUESS I WAS NOT CLEAR ON THAT. SO, UM, AND OF COURSE WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS AND HAD A LOT OF GREAT ORGANIZATIONS COME SPEAK TO US. SO I FEEL I'M, I GUESS I'M SAYING LIKE, YOU KNOW, FROM A, LOOKING AT ALL THOSE PLANS, YOU KNOW, COST OF , COST OF , YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN, HEY, WE GOT THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN UNFUNDED, WE GOT THIS, WE WORK ON THIS. AND THEN NOWHERE IN THAT I SEE LIKE, HOW IS FUNDING BEING ABLE TO GO TO WORK, UM, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN FURTHER THESE GOALS OF, YOU KNOW, BEST REDUCTION, ALL THAT RIGHT. AND ANCILLARY BENEFITS. SO I'M WONDERING, KNOW THIS IS LATE TO GAME, BUT IT'S LIKE, ARE IS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ABLE TO BRING IN THOSE TYPE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS? IS THAT WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON? BECAUSE I FELT LIKE WHEN THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WAS LIKE, WELL, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN PUTTING OUT A LOT OF IDEAS, AND I'M LIKE, WELL, DID I HAVE NOTHING TO SUGGEST FROM A AUSTIN WATER STANDPOINT, FROM A JET C RECOMMENDATION? RIGHT. IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED AND PUT OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN YOU MENTIONED THAT, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS AN EMPHASIS AND THEN THERE WAS AN OVERLAP. ABSOLUTELY. I, I GET THAT. I JUST FEEL LIKE I KNOW LOOKING AT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS DOCUMENTS, IT'S LIKE, WHERE IS PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN AND PRESENTING ABOUT THEIR PROGRAMS AND STUFF, WHERE IS THAT IN ALL OF THIS INVESTMENT PLACE AND NOT JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE OR SOMETHING IS FITTING IT? WELL, I THINK WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON EXPANDING THE, THE . OKAY. AND, AND THEN THAT'S AND THAT'S RELEVANT. THAT'S OKAY. UM, BUT WE, YEAH, WE, YEAH. OKAY. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, FEELING LIKE THAT'S WHERE OUR RECOMMENDATION JS CI FEEL LIKE HAS MORE IMPACT. IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF RED PEOPLE, ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE SCENES, WHAT PUTTING NOW A LOT OF, YEAH, WELL I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF AUSTIN, IF THERE'S COST OF WATER IDEA AROUND 20 MORE, MORE MONEY FOR WATER CONSERVATION, RIGHT? IF THEY PUT THAT IDEA, IF YOU, FROM YOUR RESEARCH AND KNOWLEDGE OF, WELL, THERE'S A THOUGHT THEY SHOULD THAT TOO. THEN YOU COULD ALSO ASK RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE, YES, MORE MONEY FOR WATER CONSERVATION. BUT THEN IF YOU ALSO THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOME OUTSIDE PROJECT, LIKE ALSO GIVE FUNDING TO THIS ORGANIZATION THAT DOES SOMETHING LIKE WAS IT NON UTILITY PRODUCT PROJECT? BUT IT WAS LIKE IN THE SCOPE SPIRIT OF ALL THIS REPRESENTATIVE. SO THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE, EXCEPT FOR WE DON'T HAVE THE LIST AND I KIND OF THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GET THE LIST TODAY. SO IS THERE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE LIST, LIKE WE DON'T HAVE HAVE A LIST. YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WE DO, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO SHOULD BECAUSE MANY BEFORE LIKE IT IS PUT, I GUESS I AM FEELING LIKE THAT KIND OF PUTS THE JSC IN A POSITION OF WE ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT QUITE LIKE FEELING FROM A FULL DECK. UM, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO LIKE TRY TO GATHER WHERE, WHERE THE GAPS ARE. BUT THERE ARE PROBABLY THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION TO THAT IS, BUT JUST IDENTIFYING IT IS YEAH. IS A PROCESS ISSUE HERE THAT I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT, I GUESS I DID EXPECT THAT WE WERE GONNA SEE Y'ALL'S LIST AND BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE OR, UM, MAKE SOME COMMENT OR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT AS WELL AS ON THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE KIND OF BEEN COMING UP WITH IN OUR WORKING GROUPS. SO, UM, I REALIZE YOU CAN'T, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SHARE THAT UNTIL AFTER THE 15TH IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. AND LIKE ING SHOULD HAVE SCHEDULED OUR MEETING FOR AFTER THE 15TH AND UM, NO, IT'S PART OF IT JUST LIKE THE CHALLENGING PIECE WAS THE WAY [01:35:02] ASKING, LIKE ASKING. YEAH. SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S JUST PART OF THE CHALLENGE FROM MY VIEW OF WHAT YOU GUYS PUT FORWARD, LIKE PUT A FANTASTIC IDEAS AND THAT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS POSSIBLE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO LIKE, DEFINITELY NOT TO CONVENE ANY WORK THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN DOING. IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, REALIZING THAT THERE'S ALL THIS STUFF HAPPENING FROM A CITY STAFF STANDPOINT THAT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T SHARED WITH US. WELL I THINK WE KNEW THAT, THAT ZACH, ZACH AND RON SHARED THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING. I THINK MAYBE THAT THERE'S JUST BEEN A DISCONNECT IN THOSE, THOSE TWO. WE'VE BEEN KIND OF DOING OUR THING. WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR THINGS AND, AND IT'S NOT MERGING. YEAH, I DO, WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS, BUT I AM WONDERING IF INSTEAD MAYBE THIS WEEK WE SHOULD JUST MAKING SURE TO MEET ON THE 15TH, BUT, UM, WHY DON'T WE MOVE INTO OUR WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WELL DISCUSS ALL THOSE YOU HAVE TO, RESOLUTION SAYS THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SO, AND THEN COUNCIL, WE, THERE WAS LIKE, EVEN IF IT'S BY THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY ROOM REQUESTS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YEAH, YEAH. UM, BUT LET'S, LET'S MOVE INTO OUR WORKING GROUP UPDATES AND WE CAN HAVE ALL THAT ON THE TABLE TABLE AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE WE WANNA ADJUST OUR, OUR YEAH, OUR MEETING OR MEETING. UM, DOES ANY GROUP WANT TO GO FIRST? UM, ABOUT, FOR ONE, HOW, HOW WILL I SPEAK ABOUT THE ACTUAL SYSTEMS? NO, TRANSPORTATION. TRANSPORTATION. ALL RIGHT, WONDERFUL. UM, IS MY, IS CHRISTOPHER STILL ON HERE? YEAH. LARRY. YEAH, YOU CAN, DO YOU WANT TO START WITH, WITH YOURS? WELL, I JUST, I WANT LIKE TO FOLLOW JUST THE, THE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER THAT WE HAVE. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GO DOWN AND THEN ONE SECOND DESCRIPTIONS. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. UH, ROHAN ARE, ARE YOU GONNA SHORT SHARE? OKAY, GREAT. SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME, UH, SOME, UH, TEAM TAGGING HERE. UM, HEATHER, ARE YOU GOOD TO, TO TALK ABOUT THESE OR, I KNOW YOU'RE UNDER THE WEATHER. I AM. IT IS JUST TAKING A LONG TIME TO LOAD ON MY END, SO, UM, AND AS YOU CAN HEAR, I'M VERY SICK, SO I'M GONNA DO THIS KIND OF QUICKLY. UM, BUT I, I WILL FOLLOW ALONG WITH, WITH ROHAN'S SCREEN UNTIL MINE LOADS. UM, SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE PUT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS REALLY, UM, JUST COMPLETELY ALIGNED WITH THE, THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION, UH, COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THEY SENT, I BELIEVE THEY SENT IT TO THE ENTIRE JSC, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY, AND IT'S, UH, INFORMED BY WALK, BY, UM, WORK AND, UM, BASICALLY EXPANDING OUT ACTIVE AND SO BICYCLE NETWORK, URBAN TRAIL WORK, SIDEWALK SHARED STREETS. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DETAILS HERE. IT DOES COME TO A, A LARGE SUM, BUT I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING AND I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING MORE AND MORE THAT WE'RE THINKING BIG. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE A WELCOME, UM, OR AT LEAST A FEASIBLE THING TO CONSIDER. UM, DO YOU MIND SCROLLING DOWN SINCE THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO, UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE READ THROUGH THIS OR THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSIONS INITIAL EMAIL TO US ALL, BUT HERE'S THE BREAKDOWN. UM, IT'S QUITE DETAILED IN THE, IN THE FIGURES OF LIKE, AMOUNTS OF THE LENGTH, UM, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, DO YOU WANNA PAUSE AT EACH ONE OR SHOULD WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM TLU? WELL, YOU'LL HAVE A LOT, SO I THINK WE SHOULD PAUSE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, JUST SO WE DON'T GET IN THE LOST LIST ARE, YEAH. CHARLOTTE, HI. UM, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, JUST ABOUT THE MAP. UH, IS THE, THE 2.1 BILLION, UM, IS, IS ALLUDED TO IN THE, IN THE TOP PARAGRAPH, [01:40:01] BUT THEN THE FOUR SPECIFIC INVESTMENTS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT ADDS UP TO 211 BILLION IS 11 BILLION MILLION WITH AN N. OH, DOES THIS INCLUDE, IS THAT JUST FOR THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION OF EXPAND ALL AND ABILITIES, BICYCLE NETWORK, URBAN TRAIL, SIDEWALKS, AND CHARITABILITY? OH, THAT MIGHT JUST BE AN ERROR. I'M SORRY. UM, NO, IT WAS, IT'S FOR ALL OF THE FIGURES SO WE CAN, IT, IT, THAT FIGURE IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR ALL OF THE 1, 2, 3, UH, ENUMERATED ITEMS HERE. THOSE FIRST FOUR, YEAH, THOSE FOUR 64 BILLION. BILLION. YEAH. SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS, IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE OFF BY AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE THERE, WHICH IS, IT'S, YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH, IT IS SIGNIFICANT. YEAH, SORRY, AS THIS WAS ALL, UH, I WON'T GO INTO DETAILS HOW THIS ALL HAPPENED, BUT YES, IT'S STILL A LOT OF MONEY, BUT NOT AS FRIGHTENING AN AMOUNT OF MONEY. UM, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT, THAT AMOUNT IS NOT FOR THE ENTIRE TLU. GOT IT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND, AND JUST FOR ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT SHARED STREETS MEAN? IS THAT JUST LIKE CARS AND PEDESTRIANS SHARING OR CARS, BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS, OR WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THE SHARED STREETS MEAN? ANY MILES OF SHARED STREETS? THE SHARED STREETS IDEA IS THAT ALL FORMS OF MOBILITY CAN BE IN, IN, UH, THE SAME STREET, ESSENTIALLY. SO YOU CAN HAVE BUSES, YOU CAN HAVE BIKES, YOU CAN HAVE WALKERS, CARS. UM, SO IT'S SORT OF AN OVERARCHING CONCEPT TO ENCOURAGE SORT OF THE COEXISTENCE OF THESE FORMS OF MOBILITY. AWESOME, THANK YOU. I'M, I'M DEFINITELY IN, IN SUPPORT OF, OF SHARED, SHARED STREET SHARED SPACES. AND I, I'M CURIOUS IF THE, UM, THE INPUT THAT WE GOT FROM ABOUT THE CITY LEAP AND, AND CONVERTING ONE LANE OF ALL OF THE, UH, FOUR PLUS LANE OR TWO ROADS INTO BUS OR PROTECTED BIKE LANES IS CONSIDERED IN THIS, OR WOULD, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER IT? I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE MERGED OR CONSIDERED TOGETHER IN THAT PROCESS THAT ZACH WAS OUTLINING, BUT THIS IS NOT, UM, MADE WITH THAT PROPOSAL IN MIND. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ONE, ONE THROUGH FOUR HERE, RIGHT? I THINK YOU CAN MOVE ON AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP AN EYE ON, ON THE ONLINE FOLKS AS WELL, BUT YOU KNOW, DON'T BE SHY IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD. YEAH, SO THIS IS A MORE, UM, AND JUST SHOUT OUT IF YOU'RE ONLINE. I CAN'T SEE ALL, ALL OF THOSE SCREENS. UM, SO THIS WAS, UM, IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT CAP METRO ITSELF HAS IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY IN ITS BUDGET, UM, FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. SO TO EXTEND THE PICKUP APP SERVICE ZONES, AND THIS IS MOTIVATED BY THE DESIRE TO REALLY, I, I, UM, I ADDRESS THE LAST AND FIRST MILE PROBLEM AS WELL AS TO GET PEOPLE IN UNDER SERVICE TRANSIT AREAS TO SORT OF MORE LOCAL AMENITIES AND SERVICES. SO THIS IS SUGGESTING AND NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH, UH, BUT ABOUT $5 MILLION PER YEAR. THIS IS, UH, TO EXTEND THE SERVICE AREA FOR THE PICKUP. UM, AND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, IT LAUNCHED, UM, WELL, I FOUND A COUPLE LAUNCH DATES, BUT AROUND 2017, AND IT CURRENTLY SERVES 11 ZONES IN AUSTIN. UM, AND YOU BASICALLY, IT KIND OF WORKS LIKE A LYFT APP YOU CALL, IT'S ON DEMAND, BUT A VERY LOW PRICE ABOUT THE PRICE OF A, OF A BUS RIDE. AND YOU MIGHT END UP SHARING, IT'S MORE OF A RIDE SHARING THAT SORT OF THE LIFT AND UBER MODEL OF MOSTLY INDIVIDUAL RIDERS. UM, SO THIS WOULD JUST BE EXPANDING IT TO MORE ZONES AND, UM, OUR GROUP ACTUALLY DIDN'T GET TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THIS, [01:45:01] SO IF ANYONE IS IN THE, ON THE CALL, ON THE COMMISSION, UM, HAS SPECIFIC ZONES WE WOULD WANT TO RECOMMEND. BUT, UM, AS, AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT'S MORE JUST TO ENCOURAGE THE CONTINUED, UM, EXPANSION OF THIS WHERE IT'S MOST NEEDED AND MOST APPROPRIATE. UM, AND ALSO ADDED, UM, SOMETHING THAT CAP METRO ITSELF IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY, WHICH IS TO ELECTRIFY THIS FLEET. UM, SO THAT, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, IT SERVES A LOT OF THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN GOALS, OF COURSE, BUT ALSO, UM, THE AS SMP GOALS AND AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF CAP METRO'S OWN PRIORITIES. YEAH. AND I WAS INTERESTING, UH, I'M INTERESTED IN HARRIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY KIND OF COMMENTS? 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS KINDA BASED ON YOUR, UH, GOOD RECOMMENDATION ABOUT YEAH, I WANT INCLUDING THIS. YEAH, I DIDN'T WANNA TELL MYSELF, BUT, UH, I'LL DEFINITELY BE HAPPY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROGRAM. UH, YOU KNOW, I USE THE PROGRAM A LOT. UH, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD ABOUT, UH, ROCKY AND MAYER, UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE LIKE THE EASTERN WINDSOR PARK SORT OF LIKE SPRINGDALE, UM, PICKUP ZONE THAT'S SUPER USEFUL. UH, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES YOU WITHIN A ZONE. IT CAN TAKE YOU FROM A BUS STOP TO ANOTHER BUS STOP IN THAT ZONE FOR FREE. UH, SO IT'S A REALLY GREAT, UH, PUBLIC ASSET. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MY FRIENDS THAT USE THE BUS STOP IN LIKE THE, THE HOWARD DES OFF LUTHERVILLE AREA USED IT UP THERE TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S A, A PICKUP ZONE THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE VERY, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UH, ROADS. SO THIS IS AN OPTION FOR PLACES WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO JUST BE ABLE TO EXPAND AND GIVE PEOPLE, UH, A COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET AROUND IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, SO YEAH, I'M, I'M SUPER FORWARD TO SOMEBODY THAT USES THE, UH, THE APP A LOT. ALL RIGHT. YEP. YOU WANNA GO THROUGH YOUR OTHER, THIS ONE? YEAH. SO THIS, UM, ACTUALLY EMERGES, IT CAME UP IF, AND NOT EXACTLY THESE TERMS, BUT CAME UP IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THESE SORT OF, THESE TRANSIT RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT SO LARGE SCALE, UM, SORT OF WITH THE PROJECT CONNECT HOPEFULLY ON THE HORIZON SAYS. UM, BUT THIS ONE IS IDENTIFYING THE NEED FOR A RENEWED DOWNTOWN CIRCULATOR. UM, I DIDN'T LIVE IN AUSTIN WHEN THE DILLA WAS AROUND, THOUGH. I DID LIVE HERE WHEN IT HAD A VERY BRIEF, LIKE, PILOT RESURGENCE. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, AGAIN, OUR WHOLE GROUP DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT, UM, IF ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION KNOWS WHY SORT OF THE PILOTS FAILED, BUT THE, UH, IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO KNOW THAT. UM, BUT THIS WAS PROPOSING THAT THERE'D BE AN INVESTMENT TO REVITALIZE A CIRCULATOR AROUND DOWNTOWN, UM, AND POSSIBLY EXTENDING OUT TO LIKE THE LONG CENTER, BARTON SPRING SILVER AREA. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, BETTER SERVING THOSE AMENITIES BY PUBLIC TRANSIT. UM, THIS CERTAINLY SATISFIES LIKE SOME OF THE POLICIES IN THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN, UM, AND THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN OF, UM, REALLY REDUCING VEHICLE MILES TRAVEL, ESPECIALLY IN SOME CONGESTED AREAS LIKE DOWNTOWN. UM, THERE WAS A 2020 REPORT BY THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE. THEY HIRED CONSULTANTS THAT ALSO PROPOSED THIS. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT FAILED. UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY INPUT ON THAT, IF THIS IS A NONSTARTER BECAUSE OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A LACK OF UPTAKE, IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT. YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS DISCONTINUED OR WHY IT WOULD, UH, WASN'T, BUT JUST TO COMMENT ON, UM, YOU KNOW, UPTAKE IS THAT WHENEVER YOU HAVE, I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW, KNOW THIS [01:50:01] ON COMMITTEE, THAT WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A, A SHUTTLE OR A BUS SYSTEM THAT IS SO FREQUENT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHECK THE SCHEDULE, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE RIDERSHIP. SO IT SAY, COME EVERY 30 MINUTES, EVERY 45 MINUTES, YOU'LL SEE THOSE BUSES. I HAVE ONE THAT GOES RIGHT BY MY HOUSE. IT'S ALWAYS EMPTY, IT'LL RUNS EVERY 40 MINUTES, 30 MINUTES. AND SO I HAVE TO CHECK AND I HAVE TO PLAN FOR IT. I'M NOT, IT'S NOT THE PREFERRED MODE TRANSPORTATION. IF THAT THING IS COMING EVERY EIGHT MINUTES YOU BET I'M TAKING IT. SO JUST TO, YEAH. UH, SECOND, SECOND THAT. UM, AND, AND I THINK ALSO, UM, I LOVE THAT YOU'VE INCLUDED GETTING TO GARDEN SPRINGS AND ER, BECAUSE THERE'S OF COURSE A LOT OF CONTENTIOUS ISSUES ABOUT PARKING AND ER, AND IT IS DIFFICULT TO PARK IN ER, AND THERE'S, I THINK, UH, POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS BY NOT HAVING SO MUCH AREA THERE . SO YEAH, I SEE A LOT OF BENEFIT FROM THIS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS HERE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? RIGHT, STICK ROLLING. AWESOME. SO I, I CAN AGAIN TAKE IT FROM, FROM HERE. THANKS, HEATHER. UM, YEAH, SO THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN SOME MIXED OPINIONS ABOUT THIS ONE. UH, BUT I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WITH, UH, CAMERON, I THINK, UH, FREEBIRD, I THINK IT IS FROM AUSTIN ENERGY. AND, UH, HE DID THINK THAT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA, SO I INCLUDED IT FOR NOW. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW IF YOU GUYS DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA. THIS ONE IS IN REGARDS TO, I THINK, YEAH, IT'S IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, IT'S GOAL ONE, STRATEGY TWO, AND IT'S ABOUT, UH, GIVING INCENTIVES FOR BUYING AND LEASING EVS FOR, UM, FOR, UH, CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM CUSTOMERS, THE CITY OF AUSTIN. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WE WERE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THIS, THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR AS WHAT TCQ HAS, THE STATE HAS NOWADAYS, THAT IT'S MORE ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS. SO IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE UNLIMITED TYPE OF THING. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY TOO, TOO COSTLY, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PRICE, IT'S NOT HERE IN THAT PARAGRAPH, IT'S BELOW, BUT WE WERE THINKING, UH, $5 MILLION PER YEAR FOR, FOR THIS PROGRAM. UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, IN TERMS OF THE BENEFITS THERE, ROHAN, IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, YOU KNOW, WE DID, YOU KNOW, I DID SOME CALCULATIONS HERE. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, 30 MILES PER DAY OF TRAVEL THAT'S AROUND 11,000 MILES PER YEAR, AND ASSUMING THAT AN AVERAGE, UH, VEHICLE EMITS AROUND 400 GRAMS PER MILE, CO2, YOU KNOW, A FEW, IF YOU'RE GIVING $5 MILLION ON THIS, AND WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE ACTUAL INCENTIVE OF THE V CAR WOULD BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE INITIALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS. SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP YOU PURCHASE, UH, 5,000 VEHICLES PER YEAR. SO IF YOU, IF YOU END UP DOING THE WHOLE MATH, IT ENDS UP BEING CLOSE TO, UH, 22,000 METRIC TONS OF CO2, UH, PER YEAR OF, UH, BASED ON THE REDUCTION OF THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES, UH, FROM DRIVING THAT SAME AMOUNT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE. YEAH, SURE. LET'S GO AHEAD. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT MIND NO, NO, YOU'RE GOOD. I, I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT ON IT. UM, FOR THIS, I, I'D LIKE TO, THE EQUITY LENS TO IT, UM, I, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SUPPORT PERSONALLY BECAUSE FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, I DON'T THINK A THOUSAND DOLLARS IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CAT CUSTOMER GETTING AN EV AND DRIVING A, A, A CURRENT CAR FOR A GAS MARK. UM, FOR TWO, JUST WE'VE ALREADY HEARD BEFORE, A LOT OF THE POLLUTION THAT IS CAUSED BY CARS IS FROM TIRES AND BRAKES, WHICH ARE NOT BETTER NECESSARILY ON BBS. AND I REALLY, REALLY THINK THAT, UM, TO BE THINKING BIG AND BOLD FOR THE FUTURE, WE'VE GOTTA GET OUT THIS CAR CENTRIC SITUATION. WE'VE GOTTA BE PRIORITIZING, UM, [01:55:01] MULTIMODAL DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, MODES OF GETTING AROUND. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I, I JUST DON'T THINK EVS ARE HERE TO SAVE THE WORLD, AND THEY'RE HERE TO SAVE THE AUTO RETRAIN SO THEY DON'T OFF. I TAKE, UM, CHRIS, I, I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, UM, LIVE UP TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING, ADDRESSING THIS, UM, ITEM IN THE PLAN. I THINK PLUS ONE, EVERYTHING THAT CHARLOTTE HAD JUST SAID THOUGH, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A DOLLARS WILL BE ENOUGH TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE, UM, GIVEN THE COST EVEN OF A USED TV. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ASSUMED THAT THESE WOULD BE USED OR DO, OR BOTH, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH. UM, BUT I DO HAVE MAYBE WHAT MIGHT BE A HELPFUL SUGGESTION, WHICH IS TAKE THIS MONEY AND PUT IT INTO LIKE, OR MAYBE EV RIDE SHARING. UM, OKAY, WELL, SORRY I DIDN'T GET TO THAT ONE IN MY READING. UM, BUT I THINK THAT YOUR MONEY WOULD GO FURTHER AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT AT LEAST LIKE REDUCES THE, THE TOTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, YOU KNOW, PER, PER PERSON IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY A VEHICLE FOR EVERYBODY. AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT I, I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS THAT THIS IS NOT, UM, BUT YEAH, NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE. HERE'S ONE POSSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, UH, IF WE DO FUND, UH, A CITY OWNED ALL ELECTRIC CAR SHARE SERVICE, IF YOU USE THE MONEY FOR THIS TO BE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE IT FOR PEOPLE OR GIVE THEM LIKE COUPON CREDIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO SPUR USAGE, UH, I THINK YOU STILL HAVE THE INTENDED, UH, EFFECT OF, YOU KNOW, INCREASING EV USE OR RATHER DECREASING NON V USE, RIGHT? UM, WHILE STILL SORT OF, YOU KNOW, REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD AT ONE TIME. SO POSSIBLE WAY TO TRY ONE TO YEAH. YEAH. AND JUST LIKE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING LIKE A, A LYFT OR UBER STYLE SERVICE. I'M THINKING MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ZIPCAR AND MAYBE THEY WERE FILLED WITH ZIPCAR, I'M NOT SURE. UM, CARDO. YEAH, BUT THEY, THEY'RE GONE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH GENERALLY STILL SOLVE THE COST PROJECT THERE. BUT THE CONCEPT IS INTERESTING. THE ECONOMICS, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A TRICKY BALANCE FOR ONE TRANSPORTATION PRODUCES THE MOST CARBON EVEN, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, PIPE EXHAUST, BUT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ENTIRE INDUSTRY IS EXPENSIVE. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVE, JUST AS YOU SAID, BUT CHARLOTTE, RIGHT FROM FOUR LANES TO THREE LANES. WHEN I SAY A TRICKY BALANCE, IT'S BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S NOT A SOLUTION, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS DONE. EVERYBODY KNOWS FOR A LONG TIME, I WAS REALLY BIG ON THE EVS AND EV CHARGER STATIONS, AND THEN I HEARD HIM TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, ROAD REDUCTION. I SAW SOME OF THE, UM, NEWER TECHNOLOGY THAT'S FAR SPRAYING THE ROAD WITH THAT CHEMICAL TUB. AND SO I BEGAN TO RETHINK MY POSITION, STILL STANDING BEHIND IT, RECOGNIZING THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH, BUT EVEN MORE SO, I BEGAN TO SEE THAT IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO, I'M HAVING THE GREATEST IMPACT ON MY ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S A TRICKY BALANCE BECAUSE A THOUSAND DOLLARS IS NOT GONNA CUT IT. I MEAN, THANK YOU, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH. BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT TRANSPORTATION, THE EXHAUST THAT COME OUT OF MY CAUSE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PRODUCERS. SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANNA DO, BUT IT'S NOT IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO IGNORE AND ACT LIKE SPREAD SOME CHEMICAL ON THE ROAD. IT'S GOING TO HELP US CUT DOWN ON OUR CARBON OUTPUT. WE CAN'T IGNORE A COST COMBUSTION ENGINE CARBON OUTPUT BY SAYING, HEY, IF WE JUST GO FROM FOUR LANES TO THREE LANES, WE GONNA FIX THE PROBLEM. KNOW, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS BECAUSE WE ALWAYS GOT A UBER. TRANSPORTATION IS THAT NUMBER ONE PRODUCER, AND WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE DRIVING, MORE PEOPLE COMING TO AUSTIN. THAT MEANS MORE OF AN OUTPUT OF THE SAME THING IS THE SOLUTION BY NOT BY ITSELF CAN'T EVEN GET THE NUMBERS RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH THAT. UH, LARRY, YEAH, FOR ME IT'S, AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS WAS TO [02:00:01] GIVE THIS KIND OF LAUNDRY LIST OF IDEAS. UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. AND, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES IN THE ROAD ARE NOT GOING AWAY KIND OF THING, BUT I DO RECOGNIZE THIS LIMITATION ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER VEHICLE. SO ARE WE, ARE WE, ARE WE THINKING THAT IF WE DO INCREASE THAT NUMBER PER VEHICLE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER? OR ARE WE MORE INCLINED TO TAKING THIS AWAY, UH, ALTOGETHER? JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, YOU'D HAVE TO BE LIKE A SUBSTANTIAL INCENTIVE TO LIKE DRAMATICALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE IN AT THAT POINT. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S LIKE 5,000, LET'S SAY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE PRICE OF ELECTRIC COST IS, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S LIKE 20,000, RIGHT? IT'S 50,000. YEAH, IT'S 50 K. YEAH. THEN PROBABLY IS, ONCE YOU START GETTING TO INCENTIVES AT THAT SIZE, THEN YOU REALLY ARE FUNDING THE CAR INDUSTRY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE AS IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY, OKAY, 50,000 PER VEHICLE, LET'S SAY 10%, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA SUBSIDIZE 10% OF THESE VEHICLES. IT'S $5,000 PER VEHICLE THAT NOW YOUR COST IS $25 MILLION PER YEAR AND YOU PROBABLY USE THAT $25 MILLION PER YEAR IN OTHER ASPECTS, IN OTHER PLANTS THAT WOULD DRAMATICALLY DECREASE GREENHOUSE GAS FOR THE SAME PRICE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S A GOOD THING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF EVS ON THE ROAD COMPARED TO TRADITIONAL COMBUSTION ENGINE DRIVEN CARS. BUT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TRYING TO DRAMATICALLY RETHINK HOW TRANSPORTATION IN AUSTIN WORKS, RIGHT? DO WE NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM HEART CENTRIC BANKING ALTOGETHER, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S HORRIFICALLY DIFFICULT COMING FROM AMERICA AND TEXAS? FOR SURE. . CHRIS, I WONDER, I, AND I'M SORRY, I, I DID SEE YOUR NEXT, YOUR NEXT ITEM, BUT I JUST WAS SKIMMING IN, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S ALL CAME IN AND, AND, UM, I JUST SAW THE E-BIKE. MAYBE YOU COULD GO OVER THAT ITEM AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS DISCUSSION OF THE TWO BECAUSE I YEAH, YEAH. AND I, I RECOGNIZE THE TIME. I THINK THEY WERE, YEAH, SO THIS ONE, THIS ONE I THINK IS PROBABLY MORE, MORE POPULAR . UH, BUT YEAH, THIS ONE IS AROUND, UH, CITY OF AUSTIN OWNING, UH, ALL ELECTRIC CAR SHARE SERVICE. AND I DID, I DID SEE A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM THAT WAS, UH, DONE IN ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA. I THINK THEY HAVE AROUND 170, UH, VEHICLES. UH, SO I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, JUST SET 200 HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO, TO CHANGING THAT. WE, WE PUT BY DECEMBER, 2025 TO GIVE THAT A TARGET DATE. UM, AND SO YEAH, ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA, THEY DID THIS. IT WAS THE LARGEST PUBLICLY OWNED RENEWABLE OPERATING CAR SHARING PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY. IT'S CALLED EV CAR SHARE. SO THAT COULD BE USED AS, AS AN EXAMPLE TO ANY KIND OF BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FROM, FROM THAT SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SERVICE AREA SHOULD PRIORITIZE, UH, LOW INCOME AND MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. UH, I THINK ONE COMMENT THAT HEATHER HAD HERE WAS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT HIGH USE POTENTIAL AREAS ARE ALSO, UM, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT. BECAUSE IF NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROGRAM MIGHT, MIGHT DIE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE BENEFITS, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THIS, BUT SIMILAR KIND OF DEAL, DEAL CALCULATED THE AMOUNT OF, OF MILES THAT 200 VEHICLES WOULD, UH, DRIVE IN THE ROAD, AND THEN HOW MUCH THAT WOULD REDUCE IN TERMS OF EMISSIONS. AND OF COURSE YOU WOULD ALSO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, REDUCTIONS FROM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW CHARLOTTE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THERE'S PARTICULAR MATTER FROM, FROM THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES, BUT YOU DO GET REDUCTION FROM OTHER CRITERIA POLLUTANTS SUCH AS, UH, CARBON MONOXIDE, NITRIC OX OXIDES, AND VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS. UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD OVERALL BECAUSE IT TARGETS, IT TARGETS LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES. IT'S A CARD SHARING PROGRAM, SO, UH, AND IT HAS AN EQUITY COMPONENT. SO ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON, ON, ON THIS ONE, TREVOR? I, I DO LIKE THIS ONE. I THINK, I THINK THAT IF WE COULD GET THE ECONOMICS TO WORK, LIKE IF THE PRICING COULD BE TO WHERE THE CITY CAN RECRUIT SOME REVENUE FROM IT, UM, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS THIS DONE. AND ESPECIALLY LIKE YOU SAID IN IN AREAS WHERE IT'S HARD TO CATCH A BUS OR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT BUS STOP IS, YOU KNOW, A MILE AWAY OR THAT, THAT LAST MILE FIRST MILE KIND [02:05:01] OF THING. FOR, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT, IT COULD BE, UM, REALLY GREAT. AND IT'S, I LOVE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO OWN THEIR OWN PERSONAL CAR. EVERYBODY JUST BE THEIR OWN PERSONAL THING. YOU JUST NEED IT WHEN YOU KNOW WHEN YOU NEED IT. SO I, I WOULD, I LIKE THE SUPPORT. YEAH, I MEAN IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A COOL CONCEPT IF LIKE YOU COULD USE THE PICKUP APP, LIKE WALK TO YOUR NEAREST BUS STOP, GO TO THE CAR SHARE PLACE FOR FREE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IDEALLY THAT'S ALSO NEAR TO BUS STOP SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. AND THEN YOU ARE PART DRIVING IS SUBSIDIZED BECAUSE IT'S ON A CITY VEHICLE AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM AND IT'S ELECTRIC VEHICLE, SO YOU'RE CUTTING DOWN YOUR EMISSIONS COMPARED TO DRIVING LIKE A, A REGULAR CAR. SO, SO THE PERFECT WORLD, MAYBE IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I READ UP ON THIS BEFOREHAND CASH SHARE PROGRAM AND IT'S ACTUALLY EVEN MORE INTERESTING THAN THAT BECAUSE THEY USE THE FACT THAT THAT'S ELECTRIFICATION ASPECT TO IT TO, TO CREATE A HUB AND SPOKE MODEL. SO YOU CAN GO TO A HUB TO PICK ONE OF THE CARS WHEN YOU CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE GO PARK THEM, RIGHT? UH, BUT THEY CAN ALSO PARK THEM IN THERE, RIGHT? SO YOU EVEN SKIP THE BUS IN CERTAIN PLACES BECAUSE THE CARS CAN'T SPREAD OUT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. FLEX SCOOTERS BASICALLY AS, WELL NOT, NOT SIMILAR EX SCOOTERS, BUT LIKE WITH BOTH , I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ECONOMICS, UM, THE EQUITY COMPONENT, BUT THINK REDUCED A REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY STRUCTURE. BUT DEMOGRAPHICS, IT'S REALLY, IT'S LIKE A REALLY WELL FILED PROGRAM. IT'S ALSO BEEN DOUBLING IT SIZE EVERY YEAR SINCE THEY STARTED USING IT. AND MEMBERS LAST YEAR WERE USING IT REGULARLY AND THEY ESTIMATED SHOULD THAT NUMBER GO THAT SAVE A LOT OF MONEY ON AMONG EVERYTHING, AMONG EVERYTHING THAT I JUST SAVING A LOT OF MONEY FOLKS WERE USING THE PROGRAM. UH, YEAH, SYSTEM 25,000 TRIPS, QUARTER MILLION. ONCE AGAIN. IS IT PROBABLY OWNED ABOVE? UH, IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. UM, LOOKS LIKE THEY PARTNERED WITH A PROGRAM, UH, LOCAL NONPROFIT NUMBER CAR. SO THEY WORK WITH A, AGAIN, I'M ASSUMING THEY BUILT A PICTURE. WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLES? SHOW YOU A PICTURE. KEEP LITTLE . YEAH, I MEAN, I HAVE A BOAT MYSELF. UM, USEFUL CAR FOR MANY THINGS, BUT IT MIGHT BE NICE IF WE DO GO DOWN THIS ROAD TO INCLUDE SOME LARGER VEHICLES FOR PEOPLE THAT MAYBE ARE TRYING TO LIKE GO PICK UP THAT WHATEVER FROM YEAH. GET ALL THE U-HAUL MIGHT BE THE CITY OF AUSTIN. I WOULDN'T BE MAD AT THAT. GIVE WHAT? I'LL, THAT YOU HAUL MONEY AROUND THE CITY TO GO TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN INSTEAD. CERTAINLY YOU CAN'T GO. YEAH. YEAH. WELL ANYWAY, I, YOU, YOU'VE GOT MY SUPPORT FOR THIS ONE. UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE GETTING HERE, IT'S STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE SHARING AND NOT SO MUCH , THE OTHER ONE, THE INCENTIVE. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK I GOT THE MESSAGE AFTER YEAH, A COUPLE TIMES. WE WANNA AVOID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN INCENTIVE THAT'S SO LOW THAT IT DOESN'T CHANGE BEHAVIOR, THEN IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW. YEAH. I MEAN, AND THAT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TRYING TO FIND, TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF STUDY THAT WOULD SHOW SOME SORT OF CORRELATION WITH AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU GIVE, HOW MUCH DEMAND YOU WOULD GET. BUT I, I WASN'T, I WASN'T FINDING ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, BUT I, YEAH, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, 1000 IS NOT, IS NOT THAT MUCH. UH, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE GOING DOWN IN PRICE QUITE A BIT AND PRETTY RAPIDLY, BUT STILL RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY A THOUSAND WOULDN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE. UM, SO YEAH. AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER IT NOW, BUT ON THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND THE, AND THE TIMELINE THERE OF DECEMBER, 2025, FEEL FREE TO, TO SEND ME AN EMAIL AND, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. UH, SO IF YOU GO DOWN ROHAN TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THE NEXT ONE WAS BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH AUSTIN ENERGY. UH, APPARENTLY THEY, THEY ARE CURRENTLY ABOUT TO START AN ASSESSMENT ON THEIR CITY FACILITIES, UH, TO ASSESS WHAT FACILITY, I GUESS WOULD BE THE BEST, UH, FACILITIES TO HOUSE CHARGING, ELECTRIC CHARGING VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THAT STUDY IS GONNA TAKE THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE CAVEATS FOR THIS ONE. [02:10:01] BUT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE THAT ONCE THE PLAN IS ESTABLISHED AND THESE FACILITIES ARE IDENTIFIED, THEN YOU KNOW, $10 MILLION WOULD BE USED TO, FOR THE, FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THESE CHARGING STATIONS. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE SAME KIND OF THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, WE ENCOURAGE THAT THIS, THESE SPECIFIC $10 MILLION ARE FOR THE INSTALLATIONS IN AREAS THAT ARE PRIORITIZING LOW INCOME AND MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. UM, I GUESS MY, MY, THE ONLY ISSUE WITH ME ON THIS ONE IS THAT I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS PLAN IS GONNA TAKE. SO IF IT DOES TAKE, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS FURTHER DOWN THE LINE, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT AUSTIN ENERGY THOUGHT COULD BE, COULD BE, UH, VERY HELPFUL. SO I HAD SIMILAR EXCUSE, I HAD SIMILAR, EXCUSE ME, I HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OWNERSHIP MORE COMMUNITY BASED VERSUS IT BEING IMPACT BASED AS WE CAN TELL ALONG WITH THE COST SHARING ASPECT OF THINGS. IF THERE'S 200 COSTS ON THE ROAD, THEN THOSE 200 CARS ARE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TOWARDS CHARGING, DON'T KNOW HOW FREQUENTLY, DON'T KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN PROXIMITY, DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT. WE JUST KNOW THAT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, YOU GOTTA HAVE THAT CHARTER. SO THE CONCEPT THAT I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO SEE PRESENTED OR COMBINED IF WALK COMMUNITY ON THE EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE BUSINESS OR PLAZA AND INSTEAD OF THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE BEING OWNED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THE CITY OF AUSTIN, WHERE AUSTIN ENERGY PLAYS THEIR PLACE AND THEIR PLACE TO ME IS BEING THE ELECTRIC INSTALLER AND NOT RECOUPING THE PROFITS FROM THE CHARGING AT THAT CHARGING STATION. I FEEL LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY FOR A HEALTHY PRICE TAG, LIKE A 10 BILLION, THAT'S DEFINITELY ENOUGH MONEY TO BE SATISFIED WITH IT. THAT THE CONSUMER NOW THAT SMALL BUSINESS, UM, BEGAN TO RECUPERATE, BEGAN TO RECEIVE SOME PROFIT FROM THIS GROWING INDUSTRY. AND THAT WAS GONNA BE SOMEWHAT, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO, THERE'S GONNA BE CHARGING DEALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE COST SHARING. IT NEEDS TO BE CONVENIENT. UH, AUSTIN ENERGY DOES HAVE, AUSTIN ENERGY DOES PLAY A PART, AND THEIR PART IS IN THE INSTALLING OF THE ELECTRICITY TO SEE THE CHARGER BE ABLE TO FUNCTION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OWNERSHIP NOT COME FROM ANYBODY OTHER THAN THAT SMALL BUSINESS. AND WE FIGURE WE FIGURED THAT OUT THROUGH A NEEDS AS SYSTEM. 'CAUSE EVERY BUSINESS CAN'T OWN WHEN YOU HAVE A CHARGE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT WANT PLAN IN. SO THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE. WE SHOULD BE ON THE CITY OF FACILITIES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON PRIVATE, LIKE PRIVATE RIGHT BUSINESSES? WELL, THE, THE, THE CROSS CUTTING ASPECT OF THINGS IS AUSTIN ENERGY IS NEEDED WITHIN THE TYPE PROCESSES. YEAH. LIKE LET'S SAY THAT YOU'RE A BUSINESS OWNER AND YOU WANT TO E THE CHARGING STATION THERE. GREAT. LET'S SAY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ELECTRICITY, UH, CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY GET THAT CHARGE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROVIDER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY POSSIBLY COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, GO ON THE GROUND FOR YOU. AND SO IN MY MIND, YES, AUSTIN ENERGY, YOU GREAT PLAY THAT. LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. GREAT CAPACITY TO THE, TO THE, TO THE INDIVIDUAL, RIGHT? AS A WAY TO ENSURE THAT IF WE DO PUSH FORWARD THE COST SHARING MODEL THAT WE HAVE CONVENIENT CHARGING, UH, FOR THOSE 200 CALLS OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER MANY CALLS. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER BENEFITS THAT COME WITH A SMALL BUSINESS, HAVING A EV CHARGER THERE FOR ONE, INCREASING FOOT TRAFFIC, WHICH MEANS MORE BUSINESS, BETTER FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, BETTER FOR THEIR HOUSEHOLD INCOME. UM, YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN I'M, I'M CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO LIKE A SUBSIDY OR, OR INCENTIVE RATHER FOR LIKE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS IF THEY HAVE LIKE A CERTAIN, IF THEY MEET A CERTAIN TARGET OF ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM LIKE PERCENTAGE OFF THE COST OR SOMETHING. MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT INCENTIVIZES, UH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO, TO PUT IN MORE CHARGERS. I KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO, WE TEND TO ASK PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING BEFORE US TO, TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR EV CHARGER SITUATION? HOW MANY ARE YOU GONNA HAVE? YOU KNOW? UM, AND SO IF YOU COME AT THEM WITH LIKE A NUMBER, LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, OR IF OUTTA [02:15:01] ALL YOUR PARKING SPOTS, IF THIS CERTAIN PERCENTAGE IS LET'S SAY 10% OR 20%, OR YOU KNOW, 30% OR WHATEVER YOU WANT, THE NUMBER, THE TARGET NUMBER WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MEET THIS, THIS CRITERIA, THIS QUOTA, RIGHT? THEN YOU GET SOMETHING BACK, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS THAT MAKES THE MAP ADD UP OR WHATEVER. UM, I THINK THAT CERTAINLY MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA. YEAH, I I HEAR YOU. IT IS A LOT OF BACKGROUND WORK TOO. LIKE BY FALL, BECAUSE WITH A GROWING INDUSTRY AND ME HAVING STRONG CONCERNS TOWARD ECONOMICS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ECONOMIC COMPONENT IS CAPTURED BY THOSE THAT WHO TYPICALLY DON'T CAPTURE, UH, THE BOOM OF THE INDUSTRY, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASE PRODUCTION, WHICH MEANS MORE EVS ON THE ROAD, THAT MEANS THAT THOSE EVS ARE GONNA HAVE TO CHARGE SOMEWHERE. AND ME BEING IN THE POSITION THAT I'M IN, I WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION CONTINUOUS TO TRY TO NARROW THINGS DOWN OR DIRECT THINGS TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO I KNOW TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ECONOMIC GROWTH OR, OR INDUSTRIAL BOOMS. SO IN MY MIND IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE, MR. DEVELOPER, THAT'S GREAT, YOU KNOW, COOL. BUT I'M GONNA FOCUS ON FIRST AND FOREMOST, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT CARS ON THE ROAD, WHAT'S CONVENIENT FOR THOSE CALLS? AND IF ONE OF THE MOST CONVENIENT SOLUTIONS FOR THOSE CARS IS SMART BUSINESS IS SURROUNDING THIS EV HUB, OR, YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESSES SURROUNDING THIS ATED MODEL, THEN I REALLY WANT TO STAY ABLE TO FOCUS ON THAT. AND I WANT THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO TAP INTO THE ECONOMICS OF THIS POINT INDUSTRY. SO THESE BE, I'M SORRY, SORRY. IT IS 8 22 AND WE ARE ON OUR FIRST OF THE FOUR. SORRY. SO I LOVE THE CONVERSATION. YOU NEED TO GET INTO THIS WORKING GROUP AND, UH, AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY IN LARRY AND THANK YOU, LIKE GOOD THOUGHTS. UM, BUT WE'VE JUST GOTTA MOVE ON 'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE MAD AT ME WHEN IT'S LIKE 10 O'CLOCK. JUST REMEMBER WASN'T ALL ME. UM, CAN CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE AND THEN YEAH, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THE NEXT ONE. UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OFFLINE. UH, SO THIS, THIS ONE, UM, IS IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE NOTION THAT THE MOST AFFORDABLE WAY TO CHARGE YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS IN, AT YOUR, AT YOUR HOUSE. BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE POPULATION LIVES IN MULTI-FAMILY HOMES THAT DON'T HAVE A CHARGING STATION. SO, UH, IT'LL BE, IT'S AN INCENTIVE TO CH TO INSTALL, UH, CHARGING STATIONS OF, UH, OF, UH, MULTIFAMILY HOMES ARE TARGETED TO LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES. SO WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING, UH, $10 MILLION FOR, FOR THIS ONE IN TERMS OF THE, YEAH. THE BENEFIT FROM THIS, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO GET AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH LOAD WOULD BE FROM $10 MILLION WORTH OF INSTALLATION AND THEN GET THE, THE EMISSION REDUCTION FROM THAT. BUT THAT'S THE, YEAH, THAT'S THE, THE IDEA WHY THIS ONE ANY THOUGHTS IS, IS THIS FOR EXISTING CONSUMER? YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IDEA. YES. UM, I CAN DO A LITTLE RESEARCH AND SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU WITH THE NUMBER. UM, YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH, JUST THINKING ABOUT YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE THE PANEL AND, AND THEN YOU GROUND IT AND TAKE IT UP THE CHARGING STATION SOMEWHERE. SO MM-HMM. GENERAL IDEAS ON WHETHER THIS WOULD BE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD. YEAH, GO AHEAD. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, LIKE, PIGGYBACKING UP WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, YOU KNOW, AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, WHENEVER STUFF LIKE THIS COMES UP BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE A POINT TO TRY TO ASK FOR, UH, AS MANY EV CHARGING STATIONS AS POSSIBLE. SO YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HOLDING DEVELOPERS FEED TO THE FIRE, BUT THEN ALSO MAKING THE MATH, MATH FOR IT AND MAKING THEM, MAKING IT MORE PALATABLE TO THEM, UH, IS DEFINITELY A GOOD PATH MOVING FORWARD. FOR SURE. I, I LIKE IT. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MAKE IT LMI AND NOT JUST LOW INCOME, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A OF CHARGING STATIONS IN MULTIFAMILY IN GENERAL THAT SERVES THAT WHOLE SEGMENT. UM, AND SO YOU'LL, AND YOU'LL AT LEAST INITIALLY HAVE MORE DEMAND IN THE, LIKE, MODERATE INCOME. SO I, THAT I JUST FIND, I THINK YOU'LL FIND MAYBE A BETTER SWEET SPOT WITH EFFECTIVENESS. [02:20:01] UM, IF YOU MAKE IT LMI INSTEAD OF JUST LOW INCOME, THAT'D BE MY FEEDBACK. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S IT. UH, THE OTHER ONES THAT, I GUESS, UH, WHAT, UM, WHAT ADAM, UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT IN REGARDS TO SAFE STREETS RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THOSE AT ALL, BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING ONE OF THOSE, THE, THE ARTERIAL ROADS, UH, CONVERTING ONE OF THOSE LANES TO BUS AND BICYCLE LANES. UH, AND THEN HE HAD ONE ABOUT $25 MILLION FOR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE STREET TREATMENTS. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THAT ENTAILS. I DO LIKE THE, THE, THE FIRST ONE. THAT ONE SEEMS VERY APPROPRIATE TO ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS ON, ON ADAM'S RECOMMENDATIONS. I, I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO ADD MORE, Y'ALL SHOULD, Y'ALL SHOULD DO A COMMITTEE MEETING ON THAT. UM, OKAY. JUST, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME HERE. YEAH, NO, IT MAKES SENSE. THIS IS GREAT WORK. UM, KUDOS TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THIS. THERE'S NOT OBJECTION THOUGH. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT GROUP. HI. ABOUT YEAH, I, I'D LIKE TO GET GOING 'CAUSE UNFORTUNATELY I'LL HAVE TO STEP OFF AT NINE. THANKS. OKAY. UM, THEN DO YOU WANNA GO NEXT? YES, I'M HAPPY TO. WHICH, WHICH GROUP IS THAT? SORRY. UM, UH, THIS IS THE CONSUMPTION WORKING GROUP. I CAN EITHER SHARE MY SCREEN OR GO OFF OF THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING UP RIGHT NOW. IF YOU CAN SHARE YOUR SCREEN AND I'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO , I CAN HALF HEAR YOU ROHAN. SO I THINK YOU ASKED ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN. YES. YEAH. YEP. STOP SHARING. OH, CRAP. SORRY, I HAVE TO QUIT AND REOPEN. UM, I'M SORRY. ROHAN, CAN YOU PUT IT BACK UP? SURE. I APOLOGIZE. UM, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY. THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE ON OUR LIST IS ELECTRIFICATION. FOR THE AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY FLEET. WE'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE ALL 300 HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES. SO THERE'S LIKE THE TRASH AND RECYCLING STRAW TRUCKS, UM, WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED A TIMELINE, BUT WE HAVE COSTED THIS OUT AND LOOKED AT THE BENEFITS. IT'S NEARLY A MILLION TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS AVOIDED AND WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY $200 MILLION AS OF TODAY, RIGHT NOW, OR LAST WE KNEW AT LAST WEEK, UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THIS COULD ACTUALLY BE COVERED BY TCEQ FUNDING. UM, BUT WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO GET ON THIS RATHER QUICKLY. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE, BARRING QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE, IS, UH, A NUMBER OF CIRCULAR ECONOMY AND WASTE REDUCTION PROGRAMS. UM, WE, IT WAS REALLY HARD TO GIVE A SPECIFIC QUANTIFICATION OF BENEFITS FOR THIS ONE, BUT WHAT WE REALLY LIKED IS, IS WE THINK THESE ARE IN PARTICULAR PRETTY LOW COST COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND SO WE WANTED TO, WE WANTED TO FUND, GIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO SOME OF THESE A RR PROGRAMS, INCLUDING ZERO WASTE BUSINESS INCENTIVES, UM, WASTE REDUCTION EDUCATION, UH, FURNITURE, FURNITURE COLLECTION, UM, MORE, UH, OF THE, LIKE A WAREHOUSE WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO, UM, SORRY TO DIVERT, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UM, SORRY TO DIVERT MATERIALS FROM LANDFILLS, THE FIXED IT CLINICS AND THEN THE CIRCULAR ECONOMY, UM, LIKE THE, UH, ACCELERATOR AND THOSE PITCH COMPETITIONS. IT'S, IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROGRAMS LIKE CHANGED NAMES, UM, OVER THE YEARS. THIS PROGRAM, THESE PROGRAMS, UH, WE THINK FIT IN WITH THE AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO THE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN. UM, AND WE'VE PUT IN A BUDGET FOR THIS OF, UM, ONE TIME SPENDING OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND $15 MILLION AND THEN A FIVE, $5 MILLION PER YEAR, UM, ONGOING BUDGET. AND SO THE ONGOING BUDGET HERE TARGETS THINGS LIKE THE ZERO WASTE BUSINESS INCENTIVES, UM, ADDITIONAL EDUCATION FOR A RR CUSTOMERS. THE NEXT ITEM ON THIS [02:25:01] IS A LOW CARBON, UM, CONCRETE FUND. SO THIS WOULD BE A POT OF MONEY THAT COULD COVER WHAT WE THINK ARE POSSIBLE, UM, UH, NOT SURCHARGES, BUT UM, UH, POSSIBLE INCREASED COSTS FROM HAVING A MORE SUSTAINABLE, UM, CONCRETE. UM, WE COSTED THIS OUT, UH, FOR WHAT WOULD BE ABOUT A MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF CONCRETE, WHICH IS, I THINK THAT'S LIKE APPROXIMATELY LIKE THE 10 MID-RISE BUILDINGS. UM, I CAN REFER TO MY NOTES, BUT SOMETHING ON THAT ORDER WOULD COST, UH, COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, ENABLE SAVINGS OF 200,000 TONS OF CARBON A YEAR. AND, UH, $2 MILLION IS WHAT THAT, THAT WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY. UM, THAT DOESN'T COVER THE ACTUAL BASE COST OF NORMAL CONCRETE. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE COST OF THE ADDED COST, UM, THAT WE THINK MIGHT EXIST. I'M JUST GONNA TAKE A BREATH BETWEEN THESE AND, AND ASK IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT THEY JUMP IN. UH, I JUST A COMMENT ON THE LOW CARBON . I LOVE, I LOVE THIS. I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED. AND, UM, ONE, ONE THING THAT, UH, WE'VE DONE ON OUR WORKING GROUP TO MAKE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, MORE REINFORCED IS TO REFERENCE THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION THAT PASSED, UM, ON IT IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS ONE FROM APRIL OF 2023 THAT DIRECTED THE CITY MANAGER TO IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, TO COME UP WITH A PLAN AND TIMING TO TRANSITION THE CITY TO LOW, LOW BODY CARBON, SUSTAINABLE CONCRETE, AND, UM, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DONE. SO I WOULD REFERENCE THAT RESOLUTION 20 23 0 4, 20 DASH 24. IT ALSO REQUIRES ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATIONS. UM, SO ANNA, WHENEVER, WHENEVER WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE CARBON NEUTRAL CEMENT, LIKE, IS THAT, LIKE, DO YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT'S EXACT DEFINITION OF THAT? SO HERE WE'VE TRIED TO SPECIFY A PERFORMANCE STANDARD AS OPPOSED TO LIKE AN ACTUAL PRODUCT. AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE LOW CON CARBON CONCRETE, WHAT, WHAT WE MEAN BY THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME BIG THING OF CONCRETE THAT LIKE HAS LOWER EMISSIONS, POSSIBLY ZERO EMISSIONS CAN TAKE MULTIPLE FORMS. AND SO THAT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM CONCRETE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, GETS PRODUCED. UH, LIKE THERE WAS A PILOT HERE IN AUSTIN, UM, THAT, UH, I, I'M FORGETTING THE NAME THEY PRESENTED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. UM, BUT IT USED SEQUESTERED CARBON DIOXIDE, AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE EMISSIONS. MM-HMM. , THERE'S NEW STUFF COMING ON THE MARKET THAT DOESN'T USE PORTLAND CEMENT, THAT CHEMICAL PROCESS, BUT USE LIKE THE CHEMICAL, YOU KNOW, MIXED ADMIXTURE, UM, BUT INSTEAD USES SOME OTHER NOVEL, UM, AGGREGATE MATERIAL. I THINK THE NAME IS LIKE CEMENTITIOUS MATERIAL. DOES THAT, IS THIS HELPFUL? YEAH, SO I WAS JUST MAYBE WONDERING, LIKE WHENEVER YOU DID THE MISSION CALCULATIONS, LIKE I'M ASSUMING THERE WAS A SPECIFIC, MAYBE LIKE A MISSION FACTOR TIED TO THE CUBIC YARD OF CEMENT. OH YEAH, NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S, UH, IS IN FACT A ZERO, UM, CARBON, UH, CEMENT, LIKE A TRULY NET ZERO PRODUCT. UM, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT THAT WE COULD MAYBE INSTEAD WRITE UP TO LIKE POTENTIALLY UP TO. HMM. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I'M MAKING A NOTE TO ADD THAT IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS ON CONCRETE, UM, WHICH THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I DIDN'T EVEN THINK TO ADD THAT INTO THE, THE PLAN JUSTIFICATION. UM, I SHOULD'VE, SHOULD'VE KNOWN, UH, THE ONE THAT IS THE CAR, WHICH I ALSO LOVE, BY THE WAY, EVERYTHING ABOUT THE LOW CARBON CONCRETE FUND, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S VALUABLE TO PUT THIS IN HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL COMPANIES IN THE CITY WHO ARE VERY ACTIVE IN DEVELOPING THE SPACE. SO YOU COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY PUT IN SOME SORT OF BENEFIT FOR GOING LOCAL ON THAT ONE. YOU WANNA MAKE IT REALLY CITY SPECIFIC. I DIDN'T GET THE FULL, LIKE, I, I THINK I GOT THE GIST OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, OH, I WAS SAYING THERE ARE SOME AUSTIN COMPANIES THAT ARE REALLY ACTIVE IN THIS SPACE, AND IF YOU WANTED TO LIKE, CHOOSE THE INSTEAD A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU COULD LOOK FOR WAYS TO ALSO MAKE IT ABOUT SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESS. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. PUT THE ADD IN THE JUSTIFICATION, NOT ADD THE, YEAH, THANKS. AS IN ADD THAT THERE'S AN, YOU KNOW, A LOCAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT [02:30:01] TO DOING THIS. YES. AWESOME. GREAT. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY, SO, UH, PRO CLIMATE, UH, PROHEALTH FOODS, UM, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BOTH THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN, UM, AND THE COUNTY FOOD PLAN. UH, BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW HERE THAT, UM, EMISSIONS RELATED TO FOOD CAN BE SIGNIFICANT, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR FOODS LIKE MEATS. UM, SO THIS, UH, IS IN LINE WITH PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE, THAT I THINK, UH, WE, WE MADE LAST MEETING TWO MEETINGS AGO, UM, THAT HAS TO DO WITH REPLACING ANIMAL PRODUCTS WITH PLANT-BASED FOODS. UM, WE THINK THIS HAS A, A BENE, UH, BENEFIT TO ACROSS THE SPECTRUM. UM, WE PUT IN A BUDGET OF $500,000 PER YEAR, AND THIS WOULD PRIMARILY, UM, WE HAVE ANGELA ON OUR MEETING. ANGELA, DO YOU, UH, WANNA SHARE ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE? I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE BEEN IN THE TRENCHES ON, I'M TRYING TO FINALIZE THE FOOD PLAN, BUT IF YOU HAVE, HAVE THOUGHTS ON LIKE WHAT THE BUDGET NEED MIGHT BE TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, UM, OR TO MAKE MEANINGFUL PROGRESS, YOU KNOW, ON THIS GOAL, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. YEAH. UM, THIS IS A FABULOUS QUESTION AND I AM AFRAID WE JUST DON'T HAVE A FINAL ANSWER YET, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE DRAFT OF THE FOOD PLAN HAS JUST CLOSED ITS PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD. SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE FINAL LANGUAGE IS GONNA INCLUDE. WE DO KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW THE GOAL, UM, THAT WAS, UM, MADE PUBLIC INCORPORATES EDUCATION AND RAISING AWARENESS. IT INCORPORATES THE POTENTIAL TO, UM, CREATE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS WITH INSTITUTIONS, UH, RELATED TO PLANT-BASED DEFAULT DIETS. SO I COULDN'T SAY RIGHT NOW WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS FOR THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND I'M AFRAID I DON'T HAVE A GOOD NUMBER FOR EXACTLY WHAT THAT MIGHT COST FROM YEAR TO YEAR. OKAY, THANKS. NEXT UP, UH, WE HAVE AN ITEM ON SUSTAINABLE PURCHASING AND CARBON ACCOUNTING. UM, I'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALL, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN A COUPLE OF WORKING GROUPS BEFORE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED BETTER DATA IN THIS AREA. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TODAY IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD BECAUSE LIKE STAFF ARE BUSY AND LIMITED, AND SO THERE'S A, A CLEAR TRADE OFF BETWEEN DOING THE WORK AND THEN MEASURING THE DOING OF THE WORK. UM, I'VE PUT IN AN ITEM HERE FOR A A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, TO HELP ESSENTIALLY ADD CAPACITY AND, AND, AND SPEED SPEED UP WORK. ALL RIGHT. THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS AN A RR TRANSFER STATION. UH, SPECIFICALLY THIS IS, UH, THE PURCHASE OF A TRANSFER STATION IN ORDER TO VIA TRANSPORTATION. BUT, UM, IN THIS CONTEXT IS TO HOST, UH, ELECTRICAL ELECTRIC CHARGERS SPECIFICALLY FOR HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES OR TRUCKS. AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE BARRIERS TO ELECTRIFICATION TODAY IS WE NOTED ELECTRIFICATION COULD BE DONE LIKE WITH ZERO COST, UH, BUT WE LACK THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE. TRUCK CHARGERS ARE DIFFERENT, UM, AND THEY NEED TO BE SOMEWHERE, IT NEEDS TO BE OPTIMIZED FOR THE ROUTE. AND SO THE PROPOSAL HERE IS TO, TO DO THIS WITH A TRANSFER STATION, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, UM, ON THE ORDER OF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. I, I, WE DIDN'T GET THE ACTUAL, UM, NUMBERS, BUT WE THINK IT COULD HAVE CO BENEFITS. IN PARTICULAR, YOU COULD CHARGE CAP METRO BUS BUSES AT THE SAME TYPE OF CHARGING STATIONS THAT YOU COULD USE FOR A RR, UM, VEHICLES. AND, UH, I THINK AS WE SHOWED ABOVE, THE GREENHOUSE GAS BENEFITS, SORRY, THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION BENEFITS ON THE ORDER OF ABOUT A MILLION TONS OF, OF CO2 A YEAR ARE SIGNIFICANT. THAT'S LIKE ONE SIXTH OF OUR ANNUAL TRANSPORTATION BUDGET. AND THEN LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, IS A CITY OWNED COMPOSTING FACILITY. UH, THIS WOULD BE A COMPOSTING FACILITY THAT, UH, OF THE KIND THAT ALREADY EXISTS. UM, THIS WOULD BE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED, HAVE COST BENEFITS FOR THE CITY, UM, PARDON ME, UM, ORDER OF MAGNITUDE ABOUT LIKE 70,000, UM, TONS OF, OF CO2, UM, AVOIDED. UM, WHEN WE TRIED TO COST THIS [02:35:01] OUT, UH, WE DIDN'T GET COST NUMBERS FROM A RR, BUT JUST FROM OUR, UH, GOOGLING IT LOOKS LIKE THIS COULD BE DONE PRETTY COST EFFECTIVELY, UM, AND COULD BE DONE WITH SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS. UM, SO THERE'S PROBABLY ADDITIONAL LAND COSTS IN HERE, BUT THE KEY THING IS YOU COULD BE SAVING ABOUT $1.2 MILLION A YEAR IF YOU WERE TAKING IN AS, UM, THE AMOUNT OF COMPOST THAT CURRENTLY GOES TO A PRIVATE FACILITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT FROM THE CONSUMPTION GROUP. THANK YOU. ANNA, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ANY OF THESE? I GUESS JUST KIND OF GOING BACK UP, WE MOVED FAST ON THE, THE FIRST COUPLE THERE. UM, BUT GOING UP TO THE, THE CIRCULAR ECONOMY, UM, AND KIND OF WASTE REDUCTION PROGRAMS, UM, AS WE GOT INFORMATION FROM A RR, UM, I MEAN, I KNEW THESE PROGRAMS WERE SMALL, BUT LIKE, THEY'RE SMALLER THAN SMALL. THEY'RE LIKE SO SMALL, IT'S TO BE LIKE ALMOST NONEXISTENT. UM, AND LIKE THEY HAVE BASICALLY NO BUDGET FOR A LOT OF THEM. AND, UM, YOU FOUND THAT THAT ZERO WASTE BUSINESS INCENTIVE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALMOST NO MONEY'S GOING OUT THE DOOR FOR THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S RELATIVELY SMALL DOLLAR COMPARED TO A LOT OF THE, THE THINGS, WHATEVER OTHER THINGS WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT THIS, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS ON THE, YOU KNOW, IMPACT OF, YOU KNOW, PURCHASING WITHIN THE CITY. AND IT'S THE SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS. THIS IS LIKE, THESE ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE MOST DIRECTLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ON A COMMUNITY-WIDE BASIS. AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AT ZERO BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF LIKE THINKING AND HAVE MODEL, I WOULD SAY LIKE ALL THESE ARE PILOTS BASICALLY IN TERMS OF SCALE COMPARED TO THE CITY AND LIKE HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE PURCHASING AND THROWING THINGS AWAY. SO JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING THIS ONE IS LIKE, PROBABLY WE PUT EVEN MORE MONEY INTO THIS AND IT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT, BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A REAL NEED HERE. GREAT. ANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY PRETTY THOUGHTS OR SHOULD WE MOVE ON? YEAH, LET'S MOVE ON. SYSTEMS CAN GO NEXT. OKAY. UM, THANKS TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE WORKING GROUP, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS LINA BECKER, AMPLE AND NAER WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT ON ZERO WASTE. UM, OKAY. SO FIRST ONE, ACTUALLY, THE FIRST TWO FOR NATURAL SYSTEMS HAVE TO DO WITH PROTECTING AGRICULTURAL LAND. UM, THEY BOTH ALIGN WITH THE, BOTH THE FOOD PLAN AND CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN. UM, THE FIRST ONE, PRESERVATION OF EXISTING AGRICULTURAL LAND THROUGH, UM, LAND BANKS, LAND TRUST, CONSERVATION, CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, UM, AND OR OTHER LEGAL OR FINANCING MECHANISMS. UM, AND REALLY INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF FARMLAND THAT'S USING REGENERATIVE SOIL PRACTICES. UM, SO IN ORDER TO DO THIS, UH, AND INVENTORY WOULD NEED TO BE CONDUCTED, UH, WHAT AVAILABLE FARMLAND THERE IS IN AUSTIN, TRAVIS COUNTY APPRAISALS. UM, THINGS LIKE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, UH, OR INCENTIVES FOR FARMERS THAT ARE ADOPTING THE REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE COVER CROPPING, ROTATION, NO-TILL MULCHING COMPOST ELIMINATION OR, OR REDUCTION OF SYNTHETIC FERTILIZERS AND PESTICIDES. UM, AND THE BENEFITS OF THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF CROSS CO BENEFITS, UM, SLOWING THE LOSS OF LOCAL FARMLAND. TRAVIS COUNTY'S LOSING LIKE 16 ACRES A DAY OF FARMLAND, UM, IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF LOCALLY PRODUCED FOOD, PROTECTS SOIL AS A CARBON POOL. UM, THE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SOME ONE-TIME COSTS FOR INVENTORY AND APPRAISALS, UM, A PER ACRE COST FOR, FOR EASEMENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND AN ANNUAL COST FOR INCENTIVES. AND SECOND ONE, UH, KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND. THIS ONE IS [02:40:01] SPECIFIC AND A SPECIFIC INVESTMENT OF 5 MILLION, $5 MILLION TO, UM, ESTABLISH A REVOLVING LOAN FUND, UH, FOR A PILOT PROGRAM WITH THE WORKING FARMS FUND. UM, SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, ESTABLISHING A, A LOAN FUND TO PRESERVE LAND IN, IN THE COUNTY AND PROVIDE A PATH TO OWNERSHIP FOR A NEW GENERATION OF FARMERS. UM, PREFERABLY UNDERREPRESENTED FARMERS. RIGHT NOW, THE AVERAGE AGE OF, UH, FARMERS IN TRAVIS COUNTY, IT'S IN LIKE THE HIGH SIXTIES. AS THOSE FARMS TURN OVER, UM, THERE'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO GET THE YOUNGER, UH, GENERATION INTERESTED IN CONTINUING, UM, THE FARM, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO, WHO DO WANT TO DO THIS WORK. UM, AND SO IT HAS TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK. UM, SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS, UM, PERMANENTLY PROTECT THIS AGRICULTURAL LAND, UH, AND PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS NEW GENERATION OF FARMERS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO OWN, TO OWN THEIR LAND ULTIMATELY. UH, SO IT ATTACKS SMALL TO MID-SIZE FARMS, UM, AGAIN, ALIGNS WITH THE FOOD PLAN AND THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN. AND, UH, AS A, AS A REVOLVING LOAN FUND, IT WOULD SELF REPLENISH AND ALLOW IT TO MAKE, UM, ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE. SO IT COULD SERVE AS A, AS A TEMPLATE FOR A REPLICATION. AND THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ORGANIZATION HAS DONE SIX OR SEVEN OF THESE, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY. THEY'VE DONE, UH, SOME, SOME OF THESE IN CHICAGO AND THE ATLANTA AREA. UM, AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO EXPAND. SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, AGAIN, ABOUT 5.5 MILLION, UH, 5.25 TO ESTABLISH THE FUND, AND THEN ABOUT 250 ANNUALLY FOR OPERATION EXPENSES. AND YEAH, I'M DOWN THE, THE NEXT, THE NEXT PAGE OF THAT PAGE. SCROLL. THAT'S THE REST OF THAT. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING. UM, INTERRUPT ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, THE THIRD ONE IS AN ENERGY AND WATER DASHBOARD FOR C FOR CITY FACILITIES. UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS TOUGH FOR THE, UH, FACILITIES MANAGERS TO, UM, HAVE A, A VIEW AS TO THE WATER USAGE, ELECTRICITY USAGE. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT DISPARATE DATA SOURCES. IT'S HARD TO HAVE A REAL TIME VIEW. UM, SO THINGS LIKE, UH, PARKS AND REC MAY GET A WATER BILL A MONTH IN ARREARS. SO FIGURING OUT TRACKING LEAKS OR WATER LOSSES IS, IS CHALLENGING. OR FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ELECTRICITY, THERE'S SOME BUILDINGS THAT HAVE SOLAR PANELS, UM, THAT MAYBE THE SOLAR PANEL IS OUT. WE NEED TO KIND OF GO DO INVESTIGATIVE WORK TO FIND THIS OUT. UM, SO WITH THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WITH A CONSOLIDATED DASHBOARD THAT COMPILES THE, THE DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES THROUGHOUT THE OPERATIONS SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A, A, A MUCH CLEANER, UH, VIEW OF, OF ENERGY AND WATER USAGE THAT CAN MANAGE THE, UM, THE USAGE AND CONSERVATIONS MUCH BETTER. UM, I KNOW OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY HAS A, A PILOT THAT'S SET TO, TO START WITH, UM, A UT RESEARCHER, UH, LATER THIS YEAR. UM, SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT. UM, IT'S ONLY A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS, I THINK. UM, SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO EXPAND IT ACROSS MANY MORE BUILDINGS AND, UH, PARKS, SCHOOLS AND FACILITIES ACROSS THE CITY. SO THAT 350 50 K IS TBD . TRUE? YES. THIS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT I'M JUST, UH, I'VE LOOKED RIGHT NOW IN NATURAL SYSTEMS GOAL CORE, BUT I WOULD'VE EXPECTED THIS TO BE LIKE IN THE SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS SECTION OF THE PLAN. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS IN THE NATURAL SYSTEMS SECTION? UM, YES. THAT THE WATER PART OF IT, I THINK IT'S THE WATER PART OF IT. IT'S IN THE DASHBOARD FIND WHERE IT'S, IT'S NOT DASHBOARD. UM, OUR CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN, UM, IT'S ONE OF THE, THE CHALLENGES TO, YOU KNOW, MANAGING BUILDING PLANTS. IT COULD BE UNDER SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS. I, I'M, YEAH, NO, I'D BE FINE TO MOVE IT OVER THERE. NO, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA REGARDLESS, JUST IN TERMS OF OUR DOCUMENTATION. UM, BUT YEAH, UM, THE NEXT ITEM [02:45:01] IS THE FUNDING FOR THE AUSTIN'S CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORPS. UM, I'M GONNA PASS THAT OVER TO, UH, JOHN ABOUT THAT. YEAH, SO I HAVE SOME NUMBERS HERE, UM, THAT FILL IN. SO THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT, UM, 2.7 MILLION ANNUALLY BE ALLOCATED FOR PERMANENT FUNDING TO SUPPORT THE A CC, UH, THE NATURAL SYSTEMS ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ZERO WASTE. AND THAT'S DIGITAL, UH, BUILDING INCLUDE THE, THE DIGITAL MEDIA PROGRAMS. UM, CURRENTLY THEY GET, THEY HAVE TWO FTES THAT ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN, UM, THIS 2.3 THEY THAT THEY HAVE IS GONNA RUN OUT. UM, SO WHAT THIS WILL UH, DO IS IT PROVIDES PERMANENT FUNDING FOR EXISTING SERVICES THAT, UM, UM, THEY, THEY PROVIDE WORKFORCE TRAINING AND PROGRAMS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL MAINTENANCE OF RESERVES AND PARKLAND ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION. AND THEN THEY USE COMPUTER REFURBISHMENT FOR NON-PROFIT DISTRIBUTION. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME OTHER, UM, ITEMS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED. PROGRAM EXPANDS. UM, SO THE, I'M JUST GONNA GO DOWN TO THE COST OF THAT 2.72 MILLION, 2.7 ACTUALLY. SO THREE, 380,004 WOULD GIVE THEM, UH, PROGRAM CONSERVATION SPECIALISTS. 80,000 WOULD BE TO SUPPORT TEMPORARY STAFF. 80,000 WILL BE ACCESS TO A FLEETING VEHICLE TRUCK. THEN THE 2.2 NAME WOULD BE TO SUPPORT THE NATURAL SYSTEMS ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION, ZERO WASTE AND DIGITAL MEDIA. UM, AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT BUDGET THAT, THAT THEY HAVE NOW IN THAT 2.3 MILLION, UH, 65% OF THAT WENT TO THE TO PAY, UH, FOR THE NATURAL SYSTEMS FOR THE FOLKS INVOLVED PAYING THEIR SALARIES. AND THEN 30% TO TRAINING, ONLY 5% WAS GOING TO THE, THE MUSEUM AND RECREATION AND CULTURAL PORTIONS. SO KIND OF BREAKING OUT WHAT THE MONEY THAT THEY NEED TO DO SUSTAINABLE PORTIONS. UM, THE NUMBER THAT CAME UP WITH AFTER INCLUDING ON THE FTS AND THE UM, TEMPORARY STAFF COMPLETE VEHICLE TO, TO MILLION 750,000. SO THE UM, THE SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS GROUP. UM, ALSO AS A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN JUST MAKE THESE ONE YEAH, RECOMMENDATION, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ADD BASICALLY A CLEAN ENERGY TRACK THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE, WE CAN GO OVER WHATEVER, BASICALLY IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE SOLAR INSTALLATION, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, DEMAND RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UPGRADES AND INSTALLATION ALL THAT BATTERY AND SEE IF THERE COULD BE A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TRACKS AND PARTNERS WITHIN THAT. SO, UM, MAYBE WE CAN GET TOGETHER TO LIKE MERGE THOSE AND COME UP WITH ONE BUDGET THAT WOULD BOTH CONTINUE THE EXISTING AND ALSO EXPLAIN TO THAT. OKAY. YEAH, SOUND LIKE ANNA TOO, BUT IT'S ZERO WASTE THINGS THAT COULD BE ATED I THINK. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE THAT COULD, A LOT MORE THAT COULD BE DONE THERE, SO. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. AND THEN, UM, LANE, YEAH, THE LAST ONE. UM, SO FOR THE LAST ONE, UH, WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY LOOKING AT WAS THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN. SO ALL OF THE TREES FUNNEL THE PUBLIC LANDS IN THE CITY. UM, YOUR ORIGINAL EXPLORATION WAS AROUND SORT OF FULLY FUNDING THAT. UM, I ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO BOTH EMILY KING, OUR CURRENT URBAN FORESTER, AS WELL AS ANGELA HANSON WHO WAS THE PREVIOUS URBAN FORESTER, ALSO THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR WORKING WITH HER FOREST COMMITTEE TO DRAFT THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2014. AND IT WAS, UH, BOTH CONVERSATIONS KIND OF CONFIRMED THE SAME THING, WHICH IS THAT, UM, FULLY, FULLY FUNDING IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ISSUE AT HAND, THE ISSUE THAT THEY HAVE AT HAND. AND THERE'S REALLY BASELINE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEVER REALLY, THAT THE CITY'S NEVER REALLY HAD IN ORDER TO EFFECTIVELY OPERATIONALIZE THE MASTER PLAN. AND THAT IS [02:50:01] CONVENIENTLY OR RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION AND COUNCIL PASSED LAST WEEK, WHICH IS A COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC TREE INVENTORY. SO INVENTORY OF ALL OF THE TREES AND PROBABLY, SO WE REROUTED ON THIS RECOMMENDATION TO PUSH FOR SUPPORT AND TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION FOR HOW WE THINK THAT OUGHT TO GO, WHICH IS WHAT'S REPRESENTED HERE. UM, SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS JUST TYING THAT RECOMMENDATION ABOUT DOING SOME COST ESTIMATES. I'LL TALK ESTIMATES, I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN A SECOND. AND THEN JUST TRYING TO TIE BACK THAT WORK TO THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN SINCE IT DOESN'T, SINCE THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T, COUNCIL RESOLUTION DOESN'T NECESSARILY MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. UM, AS WELL AS TO UH, REALLY MAKE, WE TRY TO PUT IN SOME POINTS HERE ABOUT THE DATA ELECTION METHODS, HOW THEY SHOULD BE DONE, AS WELL AS THE FORMATS IN WHICH THE INFORMATION SHOULD BE USED. I THINK EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE PRESENTATIONS WE SAW FROM THE CLIMATE COLLAB EARLIER, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO SEE HOW A DATA SET LIKE THIS WOULD BE OF THAT REAL VALUE TO THAT GROUP, BUT I'M SURE MANY OTHERS. UH, SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT THOSE FORMATS ARE SOMETHING THAT'S ACCESSIBLE AND PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. UM, THE COST STRUCTURE FOR THOSE WAS INITIALLY WHAT WE WERE INITIALLY LOOKING, SORRY, THE, UH, WE WERE INITIALLY LOOKING AT BOTH FULL AND ONGOING FUNDING, BUT IN TALKING TO BOTH THE URBAN FORESTERS, THEY SAID THAT LIKE RIGHT NOW COST ESTIMATE FOR SORT OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE ARE UNCLEAR TO THEM AND THAT THEY WOULD PREFER, I THINK WE GET BEHIND THIS A FOCUS ON JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE INITIAL FUNDING IMPLEMENTATION WAS SOLID. SO THE COST ESTIMATES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT $6 MILLION TO DO AN INITIAL INVENTORY. 'CAUSE YOU NEED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OUT THERE COUNTING TREATS. UM, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 250,000 ON TOP OF THAT TO SUPPORT, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER AN INITIAL TREE PLANTING AND TREE REPLACEMENT PLAN BASED ON THAT DATA. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL COST FOR THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, 6.25 MILLION. REMEMBER I HAVE BEEN CRAIG, SOMEBODY RECENTLY SAID THAT THERE WAS LIKE, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT WAS THE LIDAR DATA SET. YEP. BUT SO YOU JUST MENTIONED PEOPLE DIVIDUAL WITH TALKING TREES. YES. THEY ACTUALLY TALK, DO THAT OR YES, WE DO. I WENT DEEP ON THIS. UH, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY AND ALSO IN SPEAKING TO THE FORESTERS AND THEY'RE PART OF THE REASON THAT COSTING IS NOT NECESSARILY CLEAR RIGHT NOW FOR THE MAINTENANCE PART IS THAT DOING THE WORK WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY FOR MAINTENANCE ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE, BUT OUT OF THE GATE TO BASELINE THE TECHNOLOGY ON THE SORT OF AI LINE. SO JUST ISN'T THERE FOR THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO COLLECT OUT OF THE GATE TO SORT OF HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE FIRST UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE TREES, JUST GET GRADUATE STUDENTS TO DO IT. SO DOES THAT LIKE HAVE LIKE A MULTI ACRE FORESTED PIECE OF LAND? LIKE, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT PART OF THE ESTIMATE IS USING THAT TECHNOLOGY TO HELP SUPPORT THE WORK, BUT THE POINT THAT THEY WERE REALLY TRYING TO GET ACROSS WAS LIKE IF SOMEBODY COMES TO YOU AND SAID WE CAN DO ALL OF THIS WITH DRONES AND AI, THEY ARE LIKE, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FUTURE IN WHICH THAT IS TRUE. WE DO NOT EXIST IN THAT FUTURE RIGHT NOW. THAT FUTURE EXISTS PRIMARILY IN COMPANY BROCHURES. OKAY. AND I ALSO WORK IN THAT INDUSTRY, MY DAY JOB AT CAN A HUNDRED PERCENT TELL YOU THAT IS ALMOST CERTAINLY TRUE. YEAH. SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, LOT OF DATA GOING INTO IT. YEAH, I MEAN I'M, I WAS SORT OF BEING FACETIOUS MYSELF, BUT WE DO NEED A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT COUNTING TREES AND THEN THERE SO THAT, OKAY, COOL. SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE INVENTORY. UM, I KNOW WE ALSO GOT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT FUND AND THEY EVEN MADE A BUDGET RECOMMENDATION ON, I CAN'T REMEMBER, FUNDS, UM, FOR STAFF TO LIKE BETTER, UM, MANAGE TREATS TO THE CITY. LIKE I, I FORGET WHAT THE DEAN WAS EXACTLY. YEAH, I, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. I DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT THIS ONE. AGAIN, JUST KIND OF LIKE FOCUSED ON KIND OF THIS BASELINE AND WHAT I WAS REALLY GETTING WAS LIKE THE BASELINE NEEDS TO GET SAID A LOT OF THIS OTHER WORK CAN HAPPEN, BUT YES, WE DON'T HAVE A ROBUST, UM, MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR OUR TREES IN THE SAME WAY THAT ACTUALLY THE BEST DESCRIPTION I HAVE IS THE WAY THAT AUSTIN ENERGY DOES FOR TREES WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE A REGULAR RECURRING CYCLE IN WHICH WE GO THROUGH AND IT SORT OF GOES THROUGH AND SAYS LIKE, OKAY, THESE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE TOO CLOSE SNEAKERS WHERE WE NEED TO CUT THEM. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR OUR PUBLIC TREES. WE'RE REACTIVE IN RESPONSE TO PROBLEMS WHEN THEY COME UP AS OPPOSED TO PROACTIVE. SO IF WE AGAIN, KINDA CAME BACK TO LIKE IF WE HAD A PLAN LIKE THIS AND STOOD WHERE ALL THE TREES WERE IN WHAT CONDITION THEY WERE IN, THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO CREATE A PROGRAM THAT WAS [02:55:01] REGULAR AND CYCLICAL THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR ROBUST AND ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE TREES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. BUT AGAIN, IT KIND OF CAME BACK TO THAT IS A GREAT STEP TO, WE'RE STILL ON STEPS THE ROAD CAN I JUST SAY THAT I'M SORRY TO, SORRY. OH, HOLD ON. HI. I JUST SAY I WAS THE CHAIR OF THE FOREST BOARD 20 YEARS AGO AND WE WERE ASKING FOR AN INVENTORY . THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CYCLE CORDING VERSUS HAZARD, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IT'S GONNA HURT SOMEBODY QUICKLY GET UP. HE DOESN'T SAY THAT THE OPPOSED PEOPLE PROACTIVELY IN. SO THANKS MAN. SHE VERY WELCOME. SO UPSET. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.