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[CALL TO ORDER]
THE MAY 6TH MEETING, REGULAR MEETING OF THE MUSIC, UH, COMMISSION TO ORDER.IT IS, UH, 6:40 PM UH, THE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? ANYBODY SPEAK? UH, THAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA LATER.
UH, NO PUBLIC, UH, COMMUNICATION.
SO, UM, IF WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OF MINUTES, UH, IF EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE ME MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MEETING ON, UM, APRIL ONE.UM, YEAH, SO IF THE COMMISSION HAD, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES FROM, UH, THE APRIL MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING, IF SOMEBODY COULD MOTION TO APPROVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER DAVILA.
SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND.
[2. Presentation on musical performance by Elijah Delgado, Music Commission Live Performance participant and Shelbi Mitchell, Program Coordinator, Music & Entertainment Division. ]
BRIEFINGS.THE FIRST, UH, TOPIC IS PRESENTATION ON MUSICAL PERFORMANCE BY ELIJAH DELGADO, MUSIC COMMISSION, LIVE PERFORMANCE PARTICIPANT AND SHELBY MITCHELL, PROGRAM COORDINATOR, MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION.
SHELBY MITCHELL, PROGRAM COORDINATOR, MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION.
I'M HERE TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SO LONG.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO DO THE VIDEO TAPING LAST MONTH, AND ELIJAH DELGADO WAS OUR FIRST ARTIST.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE IS JUST ONE SONG, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON A WHOLE PIECE THAT WE'RE GONNA SHARE WITH YOU LATER, BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF AGENDA ITEMS TO COVER TODAY.
SO LET'S JUST ENJOY THIS, BUT KNOW THAT THERE IS MORE COMING.
THERE'S THE INTERVIEWS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE LATER ON, AND WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER DATE WE WILL RECORD NEXT MONDAY.
SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO
AND WE'RE WORKING ON ONE MORE ARTIST TO HAVE TO GET TWO FOLKS IN AND KEEP RECORDING SO WE CAN RE-AIR IN THE FALL AS AN ACTUAL SHOW.
SO, YEAH, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO.
IT'S, I, I CAN BARELY SEE HOW I'M CHANGE FOR YET.
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RIGHT? YES.AND, AND THIS IS THIS GREAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE CAN DO THIS WITH ARTISTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, EARLIER WE WERE HAVING OUT JUST SENDING WHATEVER RECORDINGS THEY HAD YEAH.
AND THIS IS JUST A MOMENT, UM, I PLAN TO SHARE THIS ONE SONG AT MUSIC COMMISSION, UM, JUST TO SAVE THE REST OF THE VIDEOS FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BE FUNNELED TO A TX SINCE CHANNEL.
JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF TWO, UM, EVERY EPISODE WE'LL HAVE TWO SONGS IN AN INTERVIEW.
I GOT TO INTERVIEW ELIJAH, SO IF YOU WANNA CHECK OUT MY SKILLS TOO,
AND, UM, CHICO, SOPHIE IS EXCITED TOO.
JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PAY PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY DO BEST AND WHAT THEY DO WELL, AND THEN HOPEFULLY GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES TO TURN THIS AROUND AND MAKE IT WORK FOR THEM.
UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MARKETING A LOT, AND SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP WITH THAT BY GIVING THEM SOME QUALITY CONTENT.
SO WHERE SPACE, WHERE THIS IS WHERE IT'S AWESOME.
UH, WE HOPE TO ACTIVATE THEIR, THEY HAVE THREE STUDIOS WE WANNA ACTIVATE TWO NEXT TIME.
LIKE I SAID, WE WANT TO HAVE TWO ARTISTS.
TWO, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO IS JUST BUILD A ROLODEX OF CONTENTS.
'CAUSE THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO RE-AIR AS ITS OWN SERIES.
AND SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT NAMES LATER.
WE WANTED TO GIVE THAT POWER TO Y'ALL.
UM, BUT WE WILL RE-AIR IN THE FALL, BUT WHILE WE GET THERE ON THE WAY, WE'LL BE SHARING ONE SONG AT A TIME FOR OUR MUSIC COMPONENT, UM, AT THESE MEETINGS.
LIKE, THE PRODUCTION VALUES ARE REALLY HIGH.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY SUPER TALENTED ARTIST, BUT YEAH.
SO PROPS TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
YEAH, IT'S GREAT PROPS TO Y'ALL.
THANKS FOR GETTING THIS ROLLING.
I, I, I DO JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU'RE NOT GIVING YOURSELF ENOUGH CREDIT FOR HAVING PUT ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, SO, WOW.
UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT AUSTIN PUBLIC IS, UM, ESSENTIALLY A PROGRAM OF AUSTIN FILM SOCIETY, SO MAYBE THERE SHOULD ALSO BE SOME CROSS, UM, POLLENIZATION THERE, YOU KNOW, OF MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THEY KIND OF RUN IT, THEIR STAFF HELPS RUN IT, SO THEY JUST HAVE SUCH A GREAT DATABASE AS WELL.
AND HOPEFULLY AS WE PICK OUT A NAME, MAYBE WE CAN GET A LOGO IN THE BACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, WE SHOUT OUT TO BURTON, UH, AS ALWAYS A TX 10.
THEY'RE VERY MINDFUL OF SET DESIGN AND ALSO THE INTROS THAT YOU SEE, THIS IS JUST WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, HE DID THAT IN LIKE 30 SECONDS, NOT TO LIKE DOWNPLAY, BUT HE WAS LIKE, IT NEEDS TO LOOK.
WE HAVE THE VIDEO, BUT WE WANNA MAKE IT LOOK OFFICIAL FOR YOU AND ALSO INSPIRE YOU.
LIKE I SAID, WE WILL COLLABORATE WITH A TXN AND, UM, AUSTIN PUBLIC ACCESS.
THAT'S A PART OF THE DEAL, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE CAN CONTINUE TO GROW AND THE MARKETING IS NATURALLY THERE WITH, BETWEEN ALL THREE OF US.
GREAT ON THE SHOUT OUT FOR SHELBY AS WELL.
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SHELBY.[3. Live Music Fund collections update by Kim McCarson, Program Manager, Music & Entertainment Division, Economic Development Department. ]
IS LIVE MUSIC FUND COLLECTIONS UPDATE BY KIM MC CARSON, PROGRAM MANAGER OF MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.I'M KIM MACARON, PROGRAM MANAGER WITH MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND I'M GONNA BE PRESENTING THE COLLECTIONS UPDATE FOR THE, THE HOT FOR, UH, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FOR LIVE MUSIC FUND.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE LATEST WAS FROM MARCH.
NOW GRANTED, THIS IS NOT REFLECTING SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST HOTEL SALES.
UH, THIS IS MARCH, WHICH MEANS IT'S ACTUALLY FEBRUARY.
UH, WHAT, WHAT ACTUALLY ACTIVITY OCCURRED IN FEBRUARY.
SO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WENT TO LIVE MUSIC FUND IS 16,866.
THIS IS JUST SLIGHTLY MORE THAN LAST MARCH, OR WHAT WAS ACTUALLY THE ACTIVITY OF FEBRUARY OF 12,938 LAST FISCAL YEAR.
SO IN THE NEXT REPORT THAT YOU'LL BE GETTING, THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE, THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY STAYS DURING SOUTH BY WILL HIT.
AND, UH, YOU'LL LIKELY SEE A MUCH LARGER, UH, COLOR ON THIS, UH, COLUMN HERE.
SO THAT 16,866 FOR A YEAR TO DATE OF 2 MILLION NINETY FOUR FIVE FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
[4. Update on the FY24 Austin Live Music Fund application launch by Erica Shamaly, Division Manager, Music & Entertainment Division.]
ON, THE, THE NEXT TOPIC IS UPDATE ON THE 5 24 AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND APPLICATION LAUNCH BY ERICA SHAMLEY, DIVISION MANAGER, MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION.UM, ERICA, THANK YOU FOR JOINING.
HELLO, COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YEAH.
I MAY BE COUGHING AND TURN THIS OVER TO KIM IF THAT STARTS UP AGAIN.
BUT THE 9 52, IT SAYS ATX ORG, AND I CLICK ON BLOCK THREE SIX OPENING SOON.
YOU SEE OUR OTHER CURRENT ITEM THAT PUBLISH.
WE HAVE ANNOUNCED DATES FOR THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICATION WILL BE OPENING ON TUESDAY, MAY 21ST, CLOSING ON ON TUESDAY, JUNE 18TH, WHICH IS A FOUR WEEK APPLICATION WINDOW.
WE HAVE STARTED SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN AROUND WITH THE APPLICATION HEARING STARTING YESTERDAY OR TODAY.
AND THERE WILL BE A EXPERIENCE OF SOCIAL MEDIA MONTHS LEADING UP TO THE APPLICATION OPENING AND THROUGHOUT THE APPLICATION PERIOD, UH, WE'LL BE ANNOUNCING WITH OUR RELEASE ABOUT, UH, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE RESOURCES THROUGH OUR PROGRAM LAUNCH CENTER, AS WELL AS THROUGH, UM, A WEBINARS AND WORKSHOPS WILL BE, UH, HOSTING VIRTUALLY LIVE, AND WHICH WILL ALSO BE RECORDED.
AND WE WILL HAVE THE SPANISH LANGUAGE INTERPRETER PRESENT TO OFFER, UM, THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE IN BOTH, WHICH IN SPANISH.
AND SO YOU TO SHARE ORG WITH YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, EVERYONE YOU KNOW, TO GO CHECK OUT THE GUIDELINES.
AND ALSO LOOK AT OUR APPLICATION PREP SECTION OF THE WEBPAGE, WHICH INCLUDES THE APPLICATION QUESTIONS AND DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH, UH, ALL MUSICIANS, FOR PROMOTERS, AS WELL AS FOR LIVE USING THE NEWS.
YOU CAN GO PRETTY MUCH, UH, SITTING FOR THE TEXT, GET YOUR APPLICATION MATERIALS READY, UH, SO THAT THE APPLICATION OPENS.
EVERYBODY CAN GET YOUR APPLICATION RELATIVE EASILY.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO OUR RECORDS AT THE BELONG CENTER AND TO OUR STAFF AT THE TAINMENT DIVISION, AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ASSISTING US WITH GETTING ALL OF THESE MATERIALS READY FOR SHARING THE PUBLIC AND WITH YOU.
UH, AGAIN, A PLEASE GO CHECK IT OUT AND LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ERICA, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, SHARING THAT INFORMATION.
VERY EXCITED TO, UH, SEE THAT, UH, ROUND TWO IS LAUNCHING, UM, ON MAY 21, UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS
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ON THE LIVE MUSIC FUND APPLICATION.UM, I'M ALSO, UH, IT'S, IT'S GREAT FORETHOUGHT IN MY MIND TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE QUESTIONS AVAILABLE AHEAD OF TIME, UH, IN THE PREP SECTION.
UH, UM, I THINK, UH, IT'LL GIVE PEOPLE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE AND REALLY, YEAH, PREPARE ON HOW THEY WANT TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S A LOT TO DO FOR
UH, I THINK, UH, YEAH, THE NEXT TIME WE TALK ABOUT IT, UH, THE COMMISSION MEETING WOULD BE PASSED, UH, WHEN THE APPLICATION IS OPENED.
UH, SO
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE CAN, UH, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.
UH, PLEASE, UH, DO PUT THE WORD OUT, UM, AS YOU MAY CHOOSE, UH, ON, ON THE PERSONAL FRONT AS WELL, WITHIN YOUR CIRCLES, SOCIAL, WHATEVER WORKS.
UM, UH, JUST, UM, UH, YEAH, EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
ANYONE TO START REACHING OUT TO US NOW WITH ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GUIDELINES OR ABOUT APPLICATION PREPARATION.
UH, KEN ALREADY STARTED ZOOM CALLS, UH, WITH QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMUNITY, SO PLEASE REACH OUT NOW.
UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT PRESS RELEASE WILL BE GOING OUT, LEADING MAY DAY WITH A LOT MORE DETAIL AROUND OUR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, BOTH IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH.
BUT PLEASE REACH OUT TO US NOW IF YOU HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, WE FEEL THAT WE LEARNED A LOT LAST YEAR, A LOT FROM THE FEEDBACK FROM BOTH THE MUSIC COMMISSION AND OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE'RE FEELING REALLY GOOD ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GETTING INTO THE APPLICATION EASILY AND GETTING THROUGH THE APPLICATION EASILY.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK OVER THE LAST YEAR.
AND THEN, AND OUR SCORING IS, UH, MORE OR LESS ABSOLUTE SCORING THIS TIME, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A LOT OF SUBJECTIVITY IN THE, IN THE QUESTIONS, UH, IN HOW THEY ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, SCORED, UH, AND THEY LAST YEAR EITHER.
THE ANSWER, YEAH, THIS YEAR IS THAT WE ARE NOT SCORING FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.
WE'RE SCORING FOR WHAT PPLICANT HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND, UH, MAKING, YOU KNOW, THE ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES, ELIGIBLE FOR THE GRANT FUNDS, JUST AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS PROMOTED AND MARKETED TO VISITING POTENTIAL, UH, TOURISTS TO AUSTIN AND CONVENTION DELEGATES TO AUSTIN.
SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST CHANGE AROUND SCORING, NOT SCORING FOR WHAT YOU WILL DO OR GOING WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING, AND, UH, TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE GRANT FUNDS, UH, TO PUT THE MONEY WHERE IT IS MOST NEEDED AND REALLY PROMOTE AND MARKET ALL OF THAT POTENTIAL TOURISM.
I THINK, YES, THAT IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE.
IT'S THE LAST TIME YOU HAD TO REALLY DESCRIBE, IT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE, THE PROJECT UPFRONT.
THIS TIME IT'S MORE AROUND, UH, UH, IF YOU GET THE GRANT, UH, AS LONG AS YOU'RE SPENDING IT ON ELIGIBLE EXPENSES, THE, UM, THE ABILITY TO USE A GRANT ACROSS TWO YEARS IS ALSO A, A BIG CHANGE.
UH, GUILD, UH, CAN YOU REMIND US IF THE COMMUNITY NAVIGATOR PROGRAM IS STILL ONLINE FOR THIS FOR ASSISTANCE? UH, SORRY, HONOR, UM, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER GOLD, THE COMMUNITY, THAT PROGRAM IS STILL AVAILABLE, BUT WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LONG CENTER AS WELL THROUGH, UM, MUSEUM STAFF THROUGH OUR LIVE WORKSHOPS AND QA SESSIONS, WHICH WILL BE RECORDED.
THERE WILL BE TWO DURING THE APPLICATION PERIOD, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TWO VIRTUAL OFFICE HOURS, UH, DURING THE APPLICATION PERIOD.
THOSE SESSIONS WILL HAPPEN EACH TUESDAY WEEK, EACH TUESDAY WEEK THAT THE APPLICATION IS OPEN.
AND, UH, SO WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON USING OUR TEAM AND STAFF REALLY HELP THE FOLKS OUT AS WELL AS TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE LONG CENTER.
UM, SO THEY'LL HAVE LIKE A MANUAL PHONE THAT WOULD BE IN THEIR ANSWERING PHONE CALLS AS WELL AS EMAILS AND REFERRING ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY CAN ANSWER TO US.
AND, UH, WE'LL ALSO BE PROVIDING ALL OF THESE SERVICES IN SPANISH.
UH, THREE, OUR CHRISTIAN OFFICER, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HIRE SPANISH SPEAKING, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES AND ASSIST.
SO THEY WON'T BE IN ATTENDANCE AT BOTH WORKSHOPS AND AT THE VIRTUAL OFFICE HOURS FOR ATION SERVICES.
AND EVERYTHING THAT KNOW WILL PUBLISH WILL ALSO BE IN SPANISH.
SO WE'RE REALLY, REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WE HAVE LINING UP.
UH, BUT THE COMMUNITY NAVIGATE THEIR PROGRAM, IT'S STILL AVAILABLE.
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OF LIVES DO THAT.WE WERE JUST TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BREAK DOWN SOME BARRIERS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPLY TO NAVIGATOR, AND THEN FOR THE ASSISTANCE THAT HAVE A DIRECT ONE ON ONE CONNECTION TO THE ASSISTANCE FOR THIS PROGRAM.
YES, MR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, WITH US, REALLY HELPFUL.
UH, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
E ERICA SCOTT STRICKLAND HERE.
I'M SORRY THAT YOU ARE SICK AND, UM, OFF CAMERA, BUT, UM, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR YOUR VOICE AT LEAST.
UM, THE, UH, QUESTION NUMBER ONE IS MU MUSIC COMMISSIONERS ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR, UH, THE GRANT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, THE MUSIC COMMISSIONERS HAD NO, UH, PART, OBVIOUSLY OF LOOKING AT EVALUATIONS AND SCORING.
SO YES, MR. COMMISSIONER ARE VOLUNTEERS.
THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY, BUT FULLTIME, UH, A BOSTON EMPLOYEE ARE INELIGIBLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALL GREAT.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE, PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, AND, AND, AND THE GOAL WOULD BE TO JUST, UM, JUST GET A BROAD, UH, DIVERSITY OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MUSICIANS, UH, INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS.
AND OF COURSE, WE ARE BRINGING IN THE VENUES THIS TIME TO APPLY.
[5. Presentation by Graham Williams, Resound Presents, on booking for live music venues]
MOVING ON.DISCUSSION ITEMS. UM, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY GRAHAM WILLIAMS, RESOUND PRESENCE ON BOOKING FOR LIVE MUSIC VENUES.
UH, COMMISSIONER CASDA, DID YOU WANNA SET UP SOME CONTEXT FOR UH, SURE, SURE.
OH, IS IT? I THINK NOW I THANK YOU.
SO, JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT OF, UM, GRAHAM, UH, WILLIAMS, I THINK THROUGHOUT THE LAST, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, WE'VE WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE, THE BOOKING SIDE OF THE MUSIC, UM, ECOSYSTEM.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL HONORED TO HAVE, UH, GRAHAM HERE.
HE IS THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF RESOUND PRESENTS IN AUSTIN.
RESOUND PRESENTS FOCUSES ON BOOKING MARKETING, CREATIVE EVENTS AND BRAND ACTIVATIONS IN CENTRAL TEXAS.
UH, IT EXCLUSIVELY BOOKS THE AUSTIN'S MOHAWK, EMPIRE CONTROL ROOM AND GARAGE, UH, PARISH IN SAN ANTONIO'S PAPER TIGER.
UM, GRAHAM FOUNDED, UH, THE FUN, FUN, FUN FEST WAY BACK IN THE DAY.
UM, STARTED BOOKING EMOS IN THE LATE 1990S, SO ABOUT 2006.
SO LOTS OF, UM, AMAZING KIND OF GRASSROOTS EXPERIENCE OF, UM, CONJURING UP SOME VERY CREATIVE, FUN, UH, PROGRAMMING IN AUSTIN.
COMMISSIONER EDDA, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UM, I'M PROBABLY BETTER AT ANSWERING QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
SO I SAID MOST OF IT, UM, BORN AND RAISED IN AUSTIN.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BIG MUSIC TOWN, SO, UH, I WAS A MUSIC FAN FROM A YOUNG AGE.
THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF ALL AGES VENUES IN THE NINETIES HERE.
UM, SO OUT OF NECESSITY, UH, MYSELF AND OTHERS WOULD RENT OUT BFW HALLS WAREHOUSES, PLAY AT CO-OPS, UH, STARTED PUTTING ON SHOWS AS A HOBBY, UM, WHICH EVENTUALLY LED TO A JOB DOING THAT FOR A VENUE HERE, UM, ON SIXTH STREET, UH, EMOS BEFORE IT MOVED.
UM, I DID THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
I LEFT AND STARTED A, A COMPANY CALLED TRANSMISSION AND A FESTIVAL.
AND THROUGH THAT, THE NAME CHANGED A FEW TIMES, BUT ESSENTIALLY STARTED BOOKING VENUES ALL OVER THE CITY AND EVENTUALLY THE STATE.
UM, UH, KNOWING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH, AGAIN, ASK AWAY, BUT, UH, I THINK THERE WAS TALK OF ALL AGES, SHOWS BEING KIND OF A CONCERN.
AND, AND THAT'S THE WORLD I CAME FROM.
UH, AS I SAID, OUTTA NECESSITY, WE KIND OF HAD TO BOOK SHOWS THAT WAY.
STILL TO THIS DAY, THAT'S OUR MAIN FOCUS IN HOW WE BOOK SHOWS.
UH, ALL THE VENUES WE BOOK ARE ALL AGES.
MOST OF THE ROOMS WE GO INTO ARE ALL AGES.
WE PROBABLY PUT ON A THOUSAND SHOWS A YEAR, UM, ONLY A HANDFUL OR EVER, NOT ALL AGES.
AND, AND RARELY WE'LL GO INTO A VENUE THAT HAS
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A STRICT RULE AND WE HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY SAY DUE TO THEIR SETUP, WHICH IS FINE, BUT WE KIND OF TRY TO AVOID IT.UM, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN OUR PHILOSOPHY.
UH, I FEEL LIKE THE SCENE IS BUILT ON YOUTH AND YOUNG PEOPLE AND, AND HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO GET INTO MUSIC AT A YOUNG AGE.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS IF I WASN'T ABLE TO GO SEE SHOWS AS A KID, UM, RIGHT NEXT DOOR OR HERE, WHEREVER LIBERTY LUNCH WAS.
UH, AND, UM, YEAH, SO IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS SUPER VITAL, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY, BOTH IN HOW WE DO BUSINESS, HOW WE SHARE ART, HOW ARTISTS ARE ABLE TO GROW.
YOU CAN KIND OF ONLY PLAY TO THE SAME PEOPLE SO MANY TIMES.
UM, AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE INTO MUSIC MORE THAN EVER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF STREAMING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS A KID, YOU HAD TO MOW A LOT OF LAWNS TO GET ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A NEW CASSETTE, UM, AT SOUND EXCHANGE.
BUT, UH, NOW, I MEAN, KIDS CAN LISTEN TO ALL THEIR FAVORITE RECORDS IN NO TIME STREAMING AND FIND OUT 10 NEW BANDS IN NO TIME.
AND THEY WANT TO GO SEE THOSE ARTISTS WHEN THEY COME THROUGH, OR IF THEY'RE LOCAL AND, AND THEY WANNA SUPPORT THEM.
AND WE'RE KIND OF ONLY ABLE TO DO THAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF PROTECT THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE, SINCE IT'S SO VITAL TO GROWING THAT MUSIC SCENE AND MUSIC BUSINESS HERE FOR THE ARTISTS AND, UH, FOR THE BARS, RESTAURANTS, AND VENUES THAT ARE SUPPORTING IT AS WELL.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ON MY BACKGROUND AND WHAT I DO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, GRAHAM, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
ONE, I I HAD ONE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD SUCH, UM, HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE OF THE AUSTIN MUSIC SCENE.
UM, ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT HAS COME UP IN CONVERSATION BEFORE, UM, AROUND A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE OF NOW, THE CITY OF AUSTIN PAYS ITS MUSICIANS.
WHEN IT'S, UH, A, A CITY OF AUSTIN PROGRAM.
EACH ARTIST IS PAID, UM, A MINIMUM OF $200 FOR THE PERFORMANCE, $200 PER PERFORMANCE.
UM, WHICH IS GREAT THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOES THAT.
AND IT'S KIND OF A NORTH STAR OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, OTHER CLUBS.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLATFORM FOR YOU TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT AS TO WHY YOU CREATED FREE WEEK.
BE YOU, YOU, THAT WAS YOUR IDEA.
AND IT WAS MANY YEARS AGO THAT YOU CREATED FREE WEEK.
AND WHAT WAS THE, THE, THE REASON BEHIND DOING THAT? AND WHAT WERE THE CHALLENGES YOU WERE FACING AS A BOOKER TO CREATE THAT WEEK? UH, YEAH, IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, HONESTLY, IT WAS SELFISHLY MORE OF A WE'RE CLOSED FOR THE HOLIDAYS.
YOU'RE REOPENING AFTER NEW YEAR'S EVE AND NO ONE'S INTENT, NO ONE'S TOURING THROUGH.
AND UH, WE JUST PICKED A WEEKEND AT EMOS ON SIXTH STREET ON RED RIVER AND THOUGHT, LET'S JUST HAVE IT MAKE IT FREE TO GET IN.
WE'LL, WE'LL PAY ALL THE BANDS AND DRINK TICKETS AND GIVE THEM, BASICALLY MAKE A PARTY OUT OF IT, COVER COSTS OUT OF THE BAR.
IT EXPANDED THE NEXT YEAR AND GOT, BECAME, WENT FROM A WEEKEND TO A WEEK.
UH, BUT EVENTUALLY IT MADE SENSE TO START PAYING THE ARTISTS.
SO, UM, OTHER VENUES STARTED HOPPING ON, ON RED RIVER AND STARTED DOING IT AS WELL.
SO IT BECAME A DISTRICT-WIDE THING.
AND MOST PEOPLE WOULD PAY BANDS OUT OF THE BAR AND JUST KICK 'EM A PERCENTAGE.
AND THEN OVER TIME IT GOT MORE AND MORE ORGANIZED.
AND NOW I BELIEVE THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICTS INVOLVED.
AND, UH, THEY HELP RAISE FUNDS THROUGH SPONSORS.
UH, SO THERE'S KIND OF A MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT EVERY ARTIST HAS PAID FOR PERFORMING, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE, UH, EVERYONE'S GUARANTEED THE SAME AMOUNT NO MATTER WHAT.
AND, UH, IT'S HELPED EVERYONE PLAYED A BIGGER AND BIGGER CROWDS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A MINI LOCAL SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST IN THAT IT'S ALL, UH, PEOPLE ARE BOUNCING TO AND FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT VENUES UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
UM, AND YOU GET TO SEE ALL THESE NEW ARTISTS AND, UH, BANDS THAT NORMALLY PLAY TO A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE MIGHT BE PLAYING TO A THOUSAND PEOPLE.
'CAUSE ALL THE CLUBS ARE PRETTY PACKED 'CAUSE IT'S FREE.
AND, UH, YEAH, EVERYONE'S GETTING PAID.
SO IT STARTED MORE AS A WAY JUST TO KIND OF BEEF UP A SLOW WEEKEND, KIND OF REOPEN AT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW YEAR AND KIND OF BECAME THIS PRETTY VITAL THING FOR ARTISTS TO KIND OF LAUNCH THEIR YEAR.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAD STARTED WORKING ON BACK THEN, AND IT KIND OF ORGANICALLY EXPANDED, WHICH IS, I DON'T OWN IT, I JUST STARTED DOING IT.
I THINK EVERYONE JUST DOES IT.
UM, IT'S A VERY AUSTIN THING IN THAT WAY.
IT'S VERY, UH, DO IT YOURSELF.
PEOPLE JUST KIND OF PICK UP THE FLAG AND RUN WITH IT.
UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYONE SHOULD REALLY OWN IT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A THING PEOPLE SHOULD DO.
I WISH RESTAURANTS AND ALAMO DRAFT HALL.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE, THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY AFTER THE HOLIDAYS WHEN EVERYONE'S BROKE, SEEMS LIKE A GOOD TIME.
UH, EVERYONE'S STILL OUT OF SCHOOL AND WORK TOO, SO IT'S JUST A TIME TO GET PEOPLE OUT.
IT'S A SMART BUSINESS DECISION, I THINK, TO ADD SOME
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FREE ELEMENT TO GET PEOPLE INTO YOUR STORES OR YOUR RESTAURANTS OR YOUR BARS.UH, BUT ANYWAY, YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE STARTED DOING IT AND IT'S, IT'S BECOME A COOL THING.
UM, SO GLAD TO SEE YOU HERE, GRAHAM.
WHAT'S UP PEDRO? I FEEL LIKE SO MUCH OF AUSTIN MUSIC SCENE OWES SO MUCH OF ITS LONGEVITY AND LIFE TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND WHAT YOUR CIRCLE OF PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT TO AUSTIN.
UM, I THINK FREE WEEK AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF SUCH A SLOW DEAD SEASON FOR ESPECIALLY OUTDOOR MUSIC VENUES IN TOWN.
UM, BEING A PART OF ONE, I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THE SCARIEST TIME OF THE YEAR.
YOU JUST KIND OF DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT THROUGH IT OR NOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE DO AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T.
BUT IT'S, IT'S AN INJECTION OF LIFE INTO LIKE A REALLY KIND OF SCARY TIME.
AND I'M GLAD TO SEE IT GROW EVERY YEAR.
BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO AUSTIN AS A MUSIC CITY TO HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT FROM THE CITY ITSELF TO SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THROUGH THREE WEEKS.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORE FUNDS TO HELP MORE BANDS GET, YOU KNOW, MORE MONEY OUT OF IT OR MORE VENUES TO BE INVOLVED, BECAUSE THAT'S A TIME WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY TOUR NORTH 'CAUSE IT'S TOO COLD.
SO VENUES AREN'T GETTING SHOWS AND LOCAL BANDS ARE JUST PICKING UP THEIR RANDOM GIGS BECAUSE NO ONE'S REALLY PAYING THAT WELL.
SO I'M, IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US PARTICIPATE IN IT MORE AS A CITY AND TO SUPPORT IT MORE.
YEAH, I WOULD LOVE THAT AS WELL.
I KNOW THE MUSIC COMMUNITY WOULD, UM, AS I SAID, WHERE WE ARE, THE BULK OF THE VENUES WE HANDLE ARE ON RED RIVER.
I KNOW YOUR VENUES IN SOUTH AUSTIN, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE VENUES ON THE EAST SIDE WHO PARTICIPATE LIKE HOTEL VEGAS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT AREN'T ACTUALLY IN THE DISTRICT THAT'S FUNDED, BUT DO SEE VALUE IN DOING IT.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE IT EXPAND AND JUST BE KIND OF A, A GENERAL CITYWIDE CELEBRATION OF, YOU KNOW, ART, MUSIC, AND BUSINESSES.
'CAUSE UH, WHILE EVERYONE DOES HAVE, I MEAN, MOST BUSINESSES SEE A POP DURING THE HOLIDAYS, BUT FOR LIVE MUSIC, IT'S THE OPPOSITE.
IT'S THE ONE TIME OF THE YEAR WHERE YOU MAKE NO MONEY.
I MEAN, BASICALLY MID-DECEMBER, UNLESS YOU HAVE A REALLY GREAT NEW YEAR'S EVE SHOW, YOU KIND OF DON'T, YOU ALMOST HAVE LIKE THREE WEEKS TO A MONTH OF NOTHING.
IT'S HARD FOR EVEN LOCAL BANDS.
'CAUSE IF YOUR BASSIST GOES OUT OF TOWN FOR THE HOLIDAYS, YOU STILL CAN'T PLAY YOUR SHOWS.
SO, UM, IT'S A REAL TOUGH TIME FOR LIVE MUSIC.
NOT TO MENTION IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S COLD AND, AND PEOPLE ARE IN AND OUT OF TOWN FOR THE HOLIDAYS.
SO IT IS A GREAT WAY TO KIND OF RE WAKE EVERYONE UP AND, AND, UH, IT'S BECOME SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF THAT.
IT'S, IT'S A SLOW NEWS WEEK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR PEOPLE HERE, I I THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO COVER.
THERE'S NO TOURS, THERE'S NO SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST.
THAT STUFF HASN'T BEEN ANNOUNCED YET.
SO, UH, I FEEL LIKE THE PRESS JUMPS ALL OVER IT 'CAUSE IT'S A REALLY COOL COMMUNITY THING.
AND, UM, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING EXPAND.
IF, IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
A, A QUESTION? A QUESTION? MAYBE A COUPLE.
UH, THE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE LIKE THE VIABILITY OF, OF, OF LIVE MUSIC VENUES? UM, LIKE, JUST AS LIKE A, LIKE A, LIKE AS A WHOLE, UM, DURING, I, I KNOW FOR MUSICIANS SPEAKING AS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A MUSICIAN MYSELF, LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT, WHEN IT, WHEN IT'S SLOW, IT'S LIKE, IT'S JUST, IT'S DEAD.
UM, SO LIKE, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE VENUE'S HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE CONSISTENT OVERHEAD AND ALL THAT STUFF, THERE'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES, CONCERNS WITH THAT POSSIBLY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S A DEFIBRILLATOR MORE OF LIKE A INCENTIVE.
UM, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME VENUES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANICALLY PROTECTED AND SURE.
THEY'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH, THEY HAVE A IN AUDIENCE OR IF YOU'RE SMALL AND YOUR RENT OR YOUR MORTGAGE IS REALLY LOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SURVIVE, UH, WITH A LOT LESS.
BUT YEAH, IT'S A PASSION PROJECT.
I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE IN THE LIVE MUSIC VENUES BUSINESS AREN'T GETTING RICH.
UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE RESTAURANTS, LIKE YOUR MARGIN IS SO SLIM.
UM, AND, UH, BECAUSE IT'S SEASONAL, AT LEAST FOR TOURING SHOWS, PEOPLE TOUR IN THE SPRING, THEY TOUR IN THE FALL, THEY TOUR A LITTLE IN THE SUMMER, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD THINK.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PREFER THE TOUR UP NORTH VERSUS THE HOT SOUTH.
IT'S, THIS IS BIG COLLEGE TOWNS, LIKE EVERY CITY IN TEXAS IS THAT YOU WOULD TOUR IN OR, OR PRETTY BIG COLLEGE COMMUNITIES.
AND IF YOU'RE A MUSICIAN, A LOT OF YOUR FAN BASE IS GONNA BE IN THAT 18 TO 25 DEMOGRAPHIC.
AND IF YOU CAN SELL 20% MORE TICKETS DOING IT IN THE SPRING OR FALL, YOU'RE GONNA SKIP SUMMERS.
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RIGHT.SO SUMMERS CAN BE TOUGH DOWN HERE.
UM, AND THEN WINTERS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, HOLIDAYS, UM, A LOT OF BANDS AREN'T TOURING.
SO FROM THE VENUES WHO MAKE ALL OR EVEN SOME OTHER MONEY ON TOURING ARTISTS, WHICH IS A LOT, UH, YEAH, IT'S WILD.
IT'S LIKE YOU JUST HAVE THESE PEAKS AND VALLEYS AND THEN THOSE VALLEYS YOU'RE KIND OF BURNING THROUGH WHAT YOU'VE SAVED FROM THE PEAKS.
AND THEN, UH, AS YOU SAID, SOUTH BY IS ALMOST LIKE A, A WAY TO DIG OUT OF THE SLOW WINTER MONTHS.
SO ALL THE THINGS WE CAN DO AND GET CREATIVE DURING THE SUMMER, THERE'S NOW A VERSION OF FREE WEEK CALLED HOT SUMMER NIGHTS.
IT'S LIKE A LITTLE BOOST, UM, FESTIVALS THAT HAPPEN.
PEDRO HAD A FESTIVAL LAST WEEKEND, UH, AT
UM, SO ALL THOSE TYPE OF CREATIVE EVENTS THAT KIND OF BRING PEOPLE OUT TO CELEBRATE MUSIC AND ART AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR ARE KIND OF KEY TO GETTING MONEY INTO THOSE VENUES AND KEEPING THEM AFLOAT.
UH, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF LOCAL ARTISTS PLAY THESE VENUES AND THAT'S AMAZING 'CAUSE THE LOCAL SCENE IS KINDA THE HEARTBEAT OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING HERE.
UM, BUT OFTEN IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LOCAL BANDS TO FILL THAT MANY VENUES.
UM, AND THAT MANY NIGHTS, 'CAUSE WE ARE 365 DAYS PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO TORONTO AND PEOPLE JUST CLOSE A VENUE FOR A MONTH 'CAUSE IT'S SNOW'S SIX FEET HIGH AND WHY WOULD THEY OPEN? BUT HERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE KIND OF KEEP PUSHING THROUGH AND IT'S A BIG MUSIC TOWN, SO IT'S A BIG PART OF THE ECONOMY AND CULTURE.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT CAN BE TOUGH.
UH, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT EASY OWNING VENUES, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FUN LIVING IF YOU CAN
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM YOU? COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND? ONE LAST QUESTION.
WHAT WOULD A CITY SPONSORED PROGRAM LOOK LIKE FOR, UM, FREE WEEK? OH MAN, I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT WOULD A CITY SPONSORED PROGRAM LOOK LIKE? I WOULD, I'LL DRAFT SOMETHING AND COME BACK.
YEAH, I MEAN, HONESTLY, ANYTHING LIKE, UH, AS I SAID, RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT'S BEEN PRETTY HEAVILY INVOLVED THE LAST FEW YEARS AND THEY'RE RAISING SPONSORSHIP AND YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR IF THEY DON'T, THAT LONE STAR BEER OR WHOEVER DOESN'T SIGN ON, IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE NEXT TO NOTHING.
LAST YEAR THEY CUT IT DOWN FROM A WEEK TO A WEEKEND.
THEY DID, THEY HAD TO DO TWO OR THREE NIGHTS.
IT WAS JUST LIKE, AH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A WEEK'S WORTH OF FUNDING, SO WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSED FOUR NIGHTS.
AND THAT'S WILD TO THINK LIKE HALF OR MORE THAN HALF YOUR WEEK.
SOME OF THE VENUES JUST WERE OPEN AND PAID BANDS OUT OF THE BAR, DID THEIR BEST.
MOST OF THE VENUES WE WORKED WITH WERE LIKE, YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE WE BROKE EVEN.
WE SPENT ALL WE MADE AT THE BAR AND WE'RE ONLY UPSIDE DOWN A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS.
AND YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'S, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE OPEN BY THE END OF JANUARY IF THAT'S YOUR OUTLOOK.
WE'VE GOTTA MAKE IT MAKE SENSE MATHEMATICALLY.
SO YEAH, ANYTHING THE CITY COULD DO WOULD BE INCREDIBLE.
I THINK, UH, WHETHER IT'S HOTEL FUNDS OR THINGS THAT ARE CARVED OUT FOR THINGS LIKE THIS, THIS IS A VERY LIKE, LOCAL CENTRIC EVENT.
IT'S ONE OF THE FEW EVENTS EACH YEAR IN TERMS OF LIKE HIGH PROFILE ALL THE VENUES, MANY OF THE VENUES BEING ACTIVE THAT ACTUALLY, UH, UM, IS LIKE 99% LOCAL.
THERE'S USUALLY ONE OR TWO RANDOM TOURING BANDS THAT JUST HAPPEN TO BE DOING A LITTLE HOLIDAY TOUR THAT HAPPENS TO HIT THE TOWN THAT WILL SQUEEZE ON A BILL.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S ALL LOCAL ARTISTS AND THEY'RE ALL PLAYING TO TONS OF PEOPLE.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE ALL THOSE SHOWS ARE PACKED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE UP HERE ARE MUSICIANS.
IF YOU EVER PLAYED FREE WEEK, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S USUALLY A PRETTY GOOD TIME.
UM, AND UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM TO GET BEHIND THAT.
OR HOT SUMMER NIGHTS, ANY OF THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE, BASED AROUND LOCAL ARTISTS AND, UH, LOCAL VENUES TO KIND OF BEEF THINGS UP DURING THOSE TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE.
UM, BUT YEAH, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO THE CABAL, THE SECRET MEETING WE HAVE AND COME BACK TO YOU GUYS WITH THE LIZARD PEOPLE, OUR PLANS.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, UM, COMING IN GRAHAM.
UM, JUST, UM, COULD YOU PROVIDE SOME PERSPECTIVE ON, UH, UH, WHAT ARE THE, UM, AS THE CITY HAS EVOLVED AND THE MUSIC SCENE HAS EVOLVED, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME VERY POSITIVE, SOME NOT SO MUCH, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, SOME OF THE CORE CHALLENGES? AND, UH, AT THE COMMISSION WE, YOU KNOW, WE, OUR JOB IS TO BASICALLY, UH, INFLUENCE ANYTHING WE CAN FROM A, WHAT WE CAN DO FROM A, UH, UTILIZING GOVERNMENT RESOURCES, UH, IN, IN HELPING US SUSTAIN AND BUILD A SCENE.
UH, SO JUST IF YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CORE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE KIND OF EVOLVED OVER TIME, SAY IN THE LAST DECADE HERE, AND, UH, WHAT POSSIBLY, UH, HOW THE CITY COULD BE INVOLVED.
UM, IN, IN ANYTHING, ANYTHING IN THAT CONTEXT.
UH, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHO
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YOU ASK.UM, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY THE STATE PASSED, UH, A MEASURE TO GIVE FUNDS BACK ON LIQUOR TAXES.
YOU CAN APPLY FOR A REBATE, WHICH IS HUGE.
UH, I MEAN, IT, IT'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU CAN GET BACK, UH, IF YOU DO ALL YOUR PAPERWORK, RIGHT.
SO A LOT OF VENUES HAVE BEEN APPLYING FOR THAT.
IT REALLY HELPS SUPPORT MUSIC.
UM, AS I SAID, IF THERE'S FUNDS THAT CAN BE DIVERTED TOWARDS SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT, UH, THE LOCAL MUSIC COMMUNITY'S PUTTING TOGETHER, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S, I FEEL LIKE MOST VENUE OWNERS AND THAT I KNOW ARE KIND OF IN THE SAME BOAT WHERE THEY'RE HAPPY AND WILLING TO DO WHAT IT IS THEY DO, BUT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HIT ROADBLOCKS.
THERE'S SOME PERMITTING SITUATION.
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SEEMS REALLY SIMPLE THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD.
OR, UH, WHETHER IT'S A REGULATION THAT MAYBE IT'S NEEDED, MAYBE IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN THAT WE ALL WANT TO HAVE SAFE VENUES, BUT CASUALLY IT'LL BE LIKE, HERE'S A NEW REGULATION, IT'S GONNA COST YOU ABOUT $200,000 TO UPDATE YOUR ROOM.
AND WHEN THESE ARE CLUBS THAT COULDN'T EVEN FATHOM THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, MUCH LESS PUTTING THAT TOGETHER TO PUT IN A, A WHEEL CHAIR ELEVATOR TO THEIR SECOND FLOOR OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF OF ANY OF AN EXAMPLE OF THAT HAPPENING, BUT I'M JUST THROWING SOMETHING OUT THERE.
UM, SO THEY'RE ALL IN PLACE FOR A REASON, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE ECONOMICALLY REALLY, REALLY TOUGH.
UM, WHETHER IT'S SAFETY STUFF, WHETHER IT'S, UH, JUST NEW, THERE'S A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS.
UM, ALL STUFF I THINK I'M PRETTY MUCH FOR PERSONALLY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HOW DO YOU PHASE THAT IN WITH A LOT OF THESE PLACES? UM, WHETHER IT'S PERMITS OR JUST BIG CHANGES THAT'LL COME DOWN, UH, THAT'LL KIND OF BE BLANK.
LIKE, ALL VENUES HAVE TO HAVE THIS, OR ALL SOUND ORDINANCES HAVE TO APPLY TO THIS CERTAIN DB LIMIT.
AND I FEEL LIKE THOSE TYPE OF CHALLENGES, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO ANY SPECIFIC 'CAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT VENUES AND DIFFERENT VENUE OWNERS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THOSE SEEM TO BE THE BIGGEST HURDLES WHERE THINGS JUST POP UP HERE AND THERE THAT ARE, ARE JUST REALLY, REALLY HARD TO JUMP OVER THAT NO ONE REALLY HAD PLANNED OUT AND SOMETIMES ARE A BIGGER LIFT THAN EVERYONE'S EXPECTING.
UM, THINGS LIKE THAT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE, IF IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO CITY OR GOVERNMENT IN ANY WAY, THAT'S PROBABLY, UH, THE MOST COMMON.
MORE OF A, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A HANDOUT NECESSARILY, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A CLEAR RUNWAY.
UM, AND THEN THINGS LIKE, RENT IS WILD IN AUSTIN, BUT I DON'T EXPECT YOU GUYS TO LOWER THE RENT OF A ALL OF A DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ANYTIME SOON.
SO, UH, UH, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS TOUGH.
UM, TRYING TO, THE CHALLENGES OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN A A, A VENUE IN A, A CITY THAT'S CHANGING AND IT'S VALUABLE AND PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN A LOT OF THESE PLACES OR BUILDING A LOT OF THESE PLACES THAT WERE UNDESIRABLE SPOTS AND AFFORDABLE PLACES TO GRAB A, UM, A CHEAP BUILDING BACK IN THE DAY.
AND MUSICIANS AND ARTISTS AND MUSIC FANS WERE HAPPY TO GO TO.
UH, A LOT OF THOSE SPOTS BECOME HOTSPOTS AND YOU KINDA GET PRICED OUT.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE WORLD.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE, SOME OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES I HEAR ABOUT FROM VENUE OWNERS EVERY WEEK, IF NOT EVERY DAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? UH, COMMISSIONER? OKAY.
PLEASE GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER, GO.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING ALL THAT.
UM, IT, IT JUST KIND OF POPPED INTO MY HEAD WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, THE KIND OF ROADBLOCKS AND THE, AND, AND WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT REGULATIONS COME IN THAT ARE PROBABLY WELL FOUNDED AND NEEDED, BUT BUT COST PROHIBITIVE AND MADE ME THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UM, I PERSONALLY WAS ABLE TO GET THE AUSTIN ENERGY WEATHERIZATION PROGRAM AND THEY CAME TO OUR HOUSE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, WE APPLIED FOR IT AND THEY LIKE DID ALL OF THESE INCREDIBLE UPDATES TO OUR HOUSE WITH INSULATION AND WHATEVER.
AND, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, UH, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MAYBE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IF THERE'S LIKE, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE SPECIFICS COULD BE TEASED OUT CERTAIN THINGS, UPDATES OR THINGS THAT WERE PROHIBITIVE AND THEN IF THERE COULD BE MAYBE A CITY FUND SOMEWHERE THAT YOU COULD APPLY FOR, FOR ASSISTANCE FOR UP MAKING THOSE UPDATES.
IT'S JUST, YEAH, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
IF THERE WAS A WAY, WAY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I MEAN, YEAH, I DUNNO, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S DONE AT A CITY LEVEL, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IF IT'S HOMES NEED TO BE UPDATED A CERTAIN WAY, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT'S SET ASIDE FOR X AMOUNT OF HOMES AND IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES TO WEATHERIZING DOORS AND WINDOWS.
UH, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR VENUES THAT'S BASED ON NEW, CERTAIN KINDS OF AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT IN TO MEET THE NEW REGULATIONS OR, UM, OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO KIND OF WILL RUN
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INTO THINGS WHERE A LOT OF THESE VENUES ARE HUGGING CITY PROPERTIES.SO I HEAR THAT A LOT FROM VENUES WHERE THIS, THE, THE BATHROOMS AREN'T FLUSHING.
UH, WELL, WE'VE CLEARED OUT THE LINE, WE FIXED IT ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A CITY ISSUE.
THE PIPE THAT GOES THROUGH THE ALLEY AT THIS PARTICULAR VENUE, WELL, THE CITIES ARE THEY MOTIVATED, THEY TEAR UP THE ENTIRE STREET AND THERE'S RIGHT AWAY WHEN A CLOSE OFF TRAFFIC AND CAUSE A HUGE TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN AUSTIN TO FIX A A GIANT PIPE AND TEAR UP A ROAD THAT IS TECHNICALLY WORKING.
IT'S JUST CAUSING PROBLEMS TO ONE BUSINESS OUT OF A HUNDRED BUSINESSES.
LIKE I GET THE CITY'S POINT OF VIEW THERE, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY KIND OF A, WHO FIXES IT KIND OF SCENARIO.
THERE WAS A VENUE WE WERE INVOLVED WITH YEARS AGO THAT WAS LIKE RIGHT ON THE WATER AND, YOU KNOW, THE WA THE, THE CREEK HAD ERODED SO MUCH THAT THE STAGE WAS ABOUT TO FALL INTO THE CREEK AND THERE WAS JUST THIS LANDLORD STANDOFF WHERE THE CITY'S LIKE, TECHNICALLY IT'S ERODED ONTO YOUR PROPERTY
AND THE LANDLORD'S LIKE, WELL TECHNICALLY THE EIGHT FEET FORWARD IS CITY PROPERTY WITHIN, INTO THE CREEK.
AND THAT VENUE HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR AT LEAST A DECADE.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S JUST A STAGE HANGING ABOVE A A CREEK RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE WHO'S GONNA PUSH IT THROUGH? UM, I THINK IT'LL JUST STAY CLOSED.
THE LANDLORD HAS ENOUGH PROPERTY, IT, HE CAN AFFORD TO LEAVE IT CLOSED AND THE CITY UNDERSTANDABLY DOESN'T REALLY WANNA FIX THIS CLOSED VENUES EROSION SITUATION.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE, THAT, THAT HAPPENS A LOT TOO, WHERE A LOT OF THE RESOURCES WE ALL USE AS VENUES ARE CITY RESOURCES AND THAT THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THE GRID AND, UH, WHETHER IT'S ELECTRIC OR WATER OR CITY SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO ADD A CERTAIN ROAD TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO CERTAIN KINDS OF TRASH CANS OR ALLEYS.
AND UH, IF THERE'S A WAY TO KIND OF OVERLAP THERE, I COULD SEE THAT HELPING A LOT.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, YEAH, I I, I'LL THINK ON IT THOUGH.
I, I CAN COME BACK, I CAN GO TALK TO THE MUSIC SCENE AND GET A WHOLE LIST OF
THEY'RE GONNA COME BEGGING NOW THAT THEY KNOW THERE'S A, AN AVENUE
UH, COMMISSIONER, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, GRAHAM IS A FOUNDING MEMBER, UM, OF THE NATIONAL INDEPENDENT VENUE ASSOCIATION.
UM, AND HAS DEFINITELY GONE TO, UH, DC TO ADVOCATE, UM, FOR ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT REFORM LIKE TICKETING REFORM.
AND JUST TO KIND OF NOTE AS A COMMISSIONER HERE AMONGST ALL THESE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A RESOURCE, GRAHAM IS A RESOURCES COMPANY, IS A RESOURCE, AND, UM, VERY INDEPENDENT.
THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT, UH, I, I KNOW AND LOVE A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH LIVE NATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THIS IS HOMEGROWN IN AUSTIN AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT IF WE NEED TO, UM, TAP ON SOME OF THESE RESOURCES THAT, UM, THAT THEY'RE HERE, THAT THEY'RE HERE IN OUR WORLD, AND WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, UM, KEEP LISTENING AND, UM, AND MAKING SOME REAL CONNECTIONS WITH INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES, THEN WE'RE, WE WILL BECOME HOMOGENIZED
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.
I'M HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY, ADMITTEDLY.
I, I LIKE EVERY OTHER PROMOTER I KNOW GETS SO BUSY, WE JUST PUT OUR HEADS DOWN AND GET IN FRONT OF OUR COMPUTER AND GET BACK TO WORK.
AND I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE DON'T ORGANIZE AS MUCH IN OUR WORLD IN THE MUSIC WORLD, WHICH I'M SURE YOU GUYS SEE EVERY WEEK OR EVERY MONTH WHEN YOU DO THESE.
SO YOU OFTEN FORGET THAT THERE IS A RESOURCE IN YOUR CITY THAT, UH, YOU CAN GO TO.
AND, AND IT'S UNIQUE THAT WE HAVE THIS, UH, I TRAVEL A LOT AND MOST PLACES DO NOT HAVE A MUSIC COMMISSION.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS THAT ACTUALLY SPEAKS TO THE MUSIC COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEFT ON THEIR OWN.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY A RESOURCE WE NEED TO TAP INTO MORE.
AND YEAH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN, I CAN DO.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS FROM VENUES AND NELSON, I USED TO BOOK HIS BAND, UH, BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SHAFT
UM, SO ALL, A LOT OF YOU FOLKS I'VE KNOWN FOREVER AND, AND, UH, I DON'T PLAN ON LEAVING ANYTIME SOON.
SO HAPPY TO BE A, A BRIDGE TO ANY OF THE FOLKS WE NEED TO TALK TO AND, AND BRING MORE TO THE TABLE, IF THAT HELPS.
[6. Update on live musical performances for Music Commission meetings by AnneCharlotte.]
THE NEXT UH, UM, AGENDA ITEM IS UPDATE ON LIVE MUSIC PERFORMANCES FOR MUSIC COMMISSION MEETINGS BY ANN CHARLOTTE.UM, GOT A COUPLE MORE, UH, TOPICS TO GO HERE.
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I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME AGENDA ITEMS HERE WHERE WE CAN MOVE, MOVE THROUGH FAST AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS. PLEASE GO AHEAD.UM, SO QUICK UPDATE ABOUT THIS EVENT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS IS, UM, ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE A SPECIAL CALLED MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING.
SHELBY'S BEEN HELPING US SO MUCH.
SCOTT AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH HER ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES.
SO SOME SPECIFICS THAT WE KNOW NOW.
WE'D REALLY LIKE TO, TO HAVE IT AT THE LIBRARY ROOFTOP.
UM, SOME MORE ON THAT SELECTION PROCESS WILL BE FORTHCOMING.
UM, WE'RE HOPING TO MEET, UH, WITH, UH, THE EVENTS MANAGER AT THE LIBRARY SO WE CAN GET A LITTLE TOUR.
AND, UM, SHELBY'S BEEN SUPER HELPFUL WITH HELPING US THINK ABOUT BUDGET FOR THIS EVENT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE BUDGET-WISE, UM, WITH MUSIC FEES.
AND OF COURSE WE WANNA PAY THE BANDS AND HAVE A LITTLE FOOD AND, UH, HAVE THIS NICE VENUE.
IT PROBABLY, IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE, LIKE WE WERE THINKING TO HAVE ONE EVENT, UH, IN, IN THE FALL MAYBE.
SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DO PROMO, SO MORE DETAILS TO COME ON THAT.
BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY NICE WAY FOR THE, THE COMMUNITY TO, TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND ENJOY, ACTUALLY ENJOY A MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING.
SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MEETING AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF MUSIC AND A LOT OF, UM, COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PATTERSON.
WE, UH, ALSO HAVE A, A JOINT ARTS AND MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING, UH, PROPOSAL, UM, UP RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, PLEASE EXPECT, UH, A DUAL POLL, UH, ON AVAILABILITY FOR JULY AND AUGUST AND WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
[7. Presentation on budget recommendation for marketing and advertising for venues and musicians by Chris Hawkes.]
ON.UH, AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, PRESENTATION ON BUDGET RECOMMENDATION FOR MARKETING AND ADVERTISING FOR VENUES AND MUSICIANS BY CHRIS HAWKS.
AND CHRIS? UH, CHRIS IS NOT HERE.
WE, WE WERE BOTH GOING TO, UM, TO, TO HANDLE AND, AND PRESENT THIS ITEM.
I, I'M NOT SURE ON THE RULES OF PRESENTATION WITH ME BEING ON THE COMMISSION AND HE, HE WOULD BE THERE, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I ASKED HIM NOT TO COME BECAUSE, UM, I HAVEN'T FINISHED THE PRESENTATION, UH, JUST YET 'CAUSE I WAS ON TOUR AND DID YOU, AND I'M EXHAUSTED, SO WANT TO MOVE THE AGENDA ITEM TO NEXT MONTH? I DON'T, YEAH.
I DO, I DO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
AND THEN WE CAN PLEASE GO AHEAD.
BUT THE, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY HAVING A POOL OF FUNDS FOR, UM, THE INDEPENDENT MUSIC COMMUNITY, THE ECOSYSTEM TO, TO USE FOR, UM, SHOW ADVERTISING.
UM, CHRIS AND I HAVE DIFFERING, UM, PERS PERSPECTIVES ON THIS AND, AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S, IT'S A BOTH AND KIND OF A SITUATION.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR, BUT I DO WANT TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT THE WAY THAT, UM, THE BUDGET RECOMMENDATION KIND OF THING WORKS.
'CAUSE WE PUT THE BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AND SENT THEM TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE CITY MANAGER HANDLES IT, AND THEN IF IT GETS APPROVED, THEN IT GETS APPROVED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN OCTOBER.
UM, THE WAY THAT THE, THE REASON WHY THIS BOARD AND THE OTHER BOARDS ARE, ARE, ARE REALLY IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IF SOMEONE JUST GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE, WHATEVER THAT THING IS, IT MAY TAKE SIX MONTHS FOR THEM TO EVEN CONSIDER IT.
BUT IF THEY COME TO THE MUSIC COMMISSION OR ANY OTHER COMMISSION, WE COULD BASICALLY FAST TRACK THAT RECOMMENDATION AS A COMMISSION AND WE CAN GET IT ON THEIR AGENDA IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE REALLY GOOD IDEAS AND THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENS WITH THAT.
AND IT'S NOTHING AGAINST CITY COUNCIL AT ALL.
I'M SURE THEY'RE EXTREMELY BUSY AND THEY HAVE A JOB THAT I HONESTLY DON'T ENVY, BUT THEY, UM, UH, I I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A VERY INTENTIONAL APPROACH THAT WE COULD HAVE IN RECOMMENDING SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALSO RECOMMENDED A BUDGET, UM, THING FOR MEANING THAT, UM, WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED A BUDGET RECOMMENDATION.
WE COULD ALSO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE AGENDA ITEM GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
IT JUST KIND OF PUTS A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA PRESSURE AND THEN BASICALLY WE CAN GO AND SPIKE THE BALL IN THE END ZONE, UM, TO COUNSEL, LIKE GO AND PRESENT TO THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE PROCEDURAL PROCESSING THING THAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT MORE NEXT MONTH.
BUT THE, WHAT THIS WOULD BE CHRIS, CHRIS HAWK'S IDEA, AND IT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD IDEA, IS USING, UM, WE HAVE A $4,000 SURPLUS IN THE LIVE MUSIC FUND, UM, BUDGET, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES.
UM, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS AT LEAST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
THE IDEA IS TO, UH, CHRIS HAWK'S IDEA IS TO USE THOSE FUNDS TO BASICALLY ADVERTISE RADIO AND BA USE THOSE FUNDS
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FOR RADIO ADVERTISING AND TO BASICALLY PUT LOCAL AUSTIN MUSICIANS ON THE MAP TO MAKE LOCAL AUSTIN MUSICIANS HOUSEHOLD NAMES HERE IN THE CITY AND THE EXTENDING, UM, EXTRATERRITORIAL DISTRICTS AND ALL THAT STUFF.AND I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION, THEY ALREADY HAVE BUDGETS AND THINGS SET UP FOR THAT.
BUT, BUT, BUT THIS WOULD BE A, A, A MUCH BIGGER, MORE ELEVATED PUSH BASICALLY, UM, SHOWCASING LOCAL TALENT ON A REGIONAL LEVEL TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTO LOCAL BARS.
UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THE MOODY, UM, GET BUILT AND ALL THESE HUGE ACTS ARE COMING THROUGH AND EVERYTHING.
AND I MEAN, NOT THAT, I MEAN, HUG ACTS ARE ALWAYS COMING THROUGH AUSTIN, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE LIKE IT'S MORE, UM, UH, OFTEN THAT THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING NOW.
THE MOODY CENTER IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST GROSSING MUSIC VIDEOS IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
AND IT SEEMS THAT, UM, LOCAL ARTISTS ARE, ARE, ARE GETTING SOMEWHAT ECLIPSED BY THIS.
AND IT, UM, THE OTHER PART OF THAT ALSO IS, YOU KNOW, RISING RENTS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
IT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE VENUES ARE, UM, BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR ARTISTS TO, TO MAKE THEIR MONEY AND FOR, AND HARDER FOR VENUES AS WELL TO, TO, TO, TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
AND SO IF WE COULD PUT THESE DOLLARS BACK INTO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND IN A WAY WHERE WE'RE ADVERTISING AND ELEVATING LOCAL ARTISTS OUR ARTISTRY, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UM, DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT.
UM, I KNOW COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND AND I HAVE ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE NEED FOR MARKETING.
THE ONE I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE EVEN WHEN RAUL HERNANDEZ CAME THE, YOU KNOW, UM, LAST MEETING OR THE MEETING BEFORE, UM, JUST TALKING ABOUT, UM, MUSIC JOURNALISM AND WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH THAT.
SO DEBORAH SAN GUPTA IS NOW THE FEATURES EDITOR OF THE STATESMAN, THE STATESMAN'S, HIRING A MUSIC WRITER.
AND RACHEL ROSCOE ALSO JUST RESIGNED FROM THE CHRONICLE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF DOWN
THEREFORE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF LIKE, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR LOCAL BANDS TO BE IN THE LOCAL PRESS BECAUSE WE'RE DOWN MUSIC JOURNALISTS TO WRITE ABOUT UP AND COMING BANDS.
THEY'RE NOT MAKING IT RIGHT NOW, UM, LITERALLY BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF JOURNALISM EXCEPT FOR THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO IT DOES SEEM THAT THIS MAY BE SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS.
I THINK, UM, UM, THEN THE IDEA HERE IS TO BASICALLY SOURCE THIS FROM THE HOT TAXES, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER PROGRAM EITHER WITHIN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE OR CREATE SOMETHING NEW TO, TO ADMINISTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I MEAN I THINK, I THINK IN TERMS OF, AND, AND SO IT'S OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE, THE GRANTS THAT ARE ALREADY BEING GIVEN, IF THESE ARE MUCH SMALLER MM-HMM.
IT'S LIKE A, IT'S BASICALLY A, A, A MICRO STIMULUS FOR THE, FOR, FOR THE ECOSYSTEM THAT IS AWESOME TO GET THE LOCAL COMMUNITY TO COME OUT TO LOCAL SHOWS AND SUPPORT LOCAL ARTISTRY, BASICALLY.
THE, THE ONE CHALLENGE THAT IMMEDIATELY COMES TO MY MIND IS, WOULD BE, I THINK THE OVERHEAD TO ADMINISTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE.
BECAUSE NOW IT'S, IT'S MANAGING A, A PRETTY IFFY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, DEPENDING ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT IF YOU SAY 400,000 AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSAND DOLLAR GRANTS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT COMES TO MIND.
BUT IN TERMS OF KIND OF LOCAL ART, IT'S GETTING MORE ECLIPSED.
UH, AND WITH, UH, WITH ALL THE BIG ACTS COMING MORE AND MORE INTO THIS TOWN, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT'S SEEMS VERY VALID THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME KIND OF SUPPORT.
UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT, UM, TO EXTEND DIRECTLY TO LOCAL ARTISTS IN SOME FORM.
UH, MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER, UM, THIS MIGHT BE A WILD THOUGHT, BUT WHAT GRAHAM WAS SAYING EARLIER, HOW FREE WEEK AND
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HOT SUMMER NIGHTS IS PREDOMINANTLY LOCAL, LOCAL VENUES, INDEPENDENT VENUES, AND IT GETS A TON OF PRESS BECAUSE IT'S SLOW NEWS DAYS FOR THESE LIKE PRESS PEOPLE.THOSE BANDS NEED MORE MONEY TO PLAY.
THOSE EVENTS AND THOSE VENUES COULD USE THE HELP.
SO I THINK MAYBE PUTTING THOSE IDEAS TOGETHER COULD BE BENEFICIAL.
WELL, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT, IT'S NOT LIKE JUST, IT WOULD, UH, LIKE MORE CREATIVITY AROUND THIS, JUST LIKE WHAT GRAHAM WAS SAYING IN TERMS OF LIKE, RESTAURANTS COULD DO THIS, MOVIE THEATERS COULD DO THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ISN'T EXACTLY MUSIC RELEVANT, BUT THERE COULD BE DIFFERENT GENRES.
IT'S LIKE NOT INVENTING ANOTHER WHEEL IF THERE'S ALREADY LOCAL PROGRAMMING THAT IS DEVELOPED.
UM, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, OR AT LEAST, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I LIKE WHAT I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I, I THINK YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD BE SUPER COOL TO SEE LIKE FREE WEEK, FREE MOVIES, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF, IF IT EXPANDS TO OTHER ART FORMS OR LIKE FREE ART STUDIO TIME AND THOSE ARTISTS CAN BE HELPED.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE A MUSIC MISSION, BUT, MM-HMM.
BUT TO EXPAND IT FOR AUSTIN, UM, ARTS IS WOULD BE COOL.
AND IF THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO HELP THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND, AND EVENTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CREATE A WHOLE NEW MARKETING PROGRAM.
IT JUST EXPANDS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY PRETTY IMPORTANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'M GOOD.
[8. Discussion and possible action on city support for housing the current collection at Texas Music Museum, after presentation by Dr. Clay Shorkey, President, Board of Directors, Texas Music Museum.]
ON TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS. UH, FIRST TOPIC ON UNDER THIS AGENDA IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CITY SUPPORT FOR HOUSING, THE CURRENT COLLECTION AT TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM AFTER PRESENTATION BY DR. CLAY SHORKEY, PRESIDENT, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM.YEAH, THANK YOU FOR PATIENTLY WAITING.
UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
OH GOD, THERE, UH,
I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK A LONG TIME, BUT THEY PROBABLY WANNA AT LEAST INTRODUCE THEM.
SO,
SO, YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, OUR CHAIR HAS EVERYBODY'S NAME, SO YOU JUST GO AND THEN SHE'LL HANDLE EVERYBODY.
AND IF, IF, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WISH TO SPEAK, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE'LL RECOGNIZE EVERYBODY.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SAYING, LISTEN, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW FOR 40 YEARS.
TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM HAS BEEN, UH, HERE SERVING AUSTIN
AND, UH, UH, AND WE THINK IT'S TIME WE'RE TRYING TO ASK THE MUSIC COMMISSION TO SEE IF THEY CAN HELP GET BEHIND US.
UH, THAT AUSTIN REALLY NEEDS A REALLY KIND OF WORLD CLASS MUSEUM WHERE, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED ALL THESE YEARS.
WE'VE TRAVELED EVERYWHERE IN TEXAS FINDING, AND OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN ALSO ON ALL THE MUSICIANS, THE HUNDREDS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN MUCH RECOGNITION.
AND, UH, AND, AND IN FACT, WE DON'T WANNA BECOME ONE OF THESE ONES WITH A FEW BIG FLASHY, YOU KNOW, EXHIBITS.
THIS IS, THIS IS OUR, UH, PASSION, YOU KNOW, THAT SO MANY PEOPLE NEED TO BE, UM, RECOGNIZED THAT OUR, UM, AND, UH, SO, UH, WE WANTED TO TRY TO SHARE WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, SOME OF, SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, OUR, UH, MUSEUM PROJECT.
AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT A, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WOULD, I DON'T THINK THIS GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW, WORLD CLASS HOME, BUT WE CERTAINLY NEED A MUCH BIGGER SPACE.
UH, AND, UH, WE'RE ONLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE, UH, UH, OH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET STORAGE THAT THE POLICE DEPART DEPARTMENTS HELPING US WITH.
AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, I, I THINK ABOUT, UH, 3000 SQUARE, UH, FEET, UH, OF, UH, SPACE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUILDING ROOM.
UH, AND WHAT WE'D REALLY LIKE IS A PLACE THAT WE, I MEAN, IDEALLY WE'D HAVE 50,000 SQUARE FEET FOR ALL OF THE, ALL OF, ALL OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE.
AND IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD SOME CLASSROOMS. UH, WE HAD I THINK 50 KIDS, UH, OVER FOR A
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PROGRAM TODAY.AND WE HAD LIKE 70 SCHOOL KIDS OVER LAST FRIDAY.
AND WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF SENIORS OVER IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
AND, UM, WE NEED A BIGGER, UH, WE NEED A KIND OF A VENUE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A LOT OF THESE BIG PROGRAMS. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT, LOT MORE PEOPLE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR SPACE IS SO LIMITED.
UM, AND, UH, UM, SO THE, UM, UM, IF YOU, I GUESS GO TO THE NEXT ONE,
OH, YEAH, WELL, THAT'S OUR, OUR BOARD.
FA HART, FIRST LADY OF JAZZ ON OUR BOARD.
AND ALSO SHE'S THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN IN, UH, UH, IN JAZZ, UH, PROJECT ALSO.
OH, WELL, WE'VE MISSED THAT, BUT I GUESS WE'LL GO, WE'LL HIT THAT AGAIN.
BUT THIS IS, UH, THAT SHOWS SOME OF, SOME OF THE ARTIFACTS.
THAT'S A WONDERFUL DRESS THAT LYDIA MENDOZA, UH, WE WERE GOOD FRIENDS WITH HERS, AND WE DID A BIG PROGRAM, AND SHE MADE HER OWN DRESSES.
THAT'S A, A SQUARE GRAND THAT WAS MADE IN 18 90 CENT TO, UH, TEXAS ON A, UH, TRAIN AND THEN OFF, UH, ON A HOUSE, A HORSE CART, UH, TO A FAMILY LIKE, UH, UH, THREE GENERATIONS AND SUCH.
AND SO, IT'S A TECH, IT'S A REAL TEXAS PIANO.
THIS IS, UH, UH, MEXICAN, THE, UH, AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSIC EXHIBIT.
WE, WE HAD TO FIND ALL THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ESPECIALLY FOCUS ON IS, UH, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT AUSTIN HAS A MUSIC CAPITAL FROM WORLD WAR II TO MAYBE STEVIE RAYON AND WILLIE.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MADE US, THESE ARE NATIONALLY FAMOUS, UH, MUSICIANS.
MANY OF 'EM, MANY OF 'EM ARE MORE.
BUT, UH, UH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL KIDS AND SUCH, IS, UH, LET THESE KIDS SEE.
MAN, THERE'S REALLY FAMOUS, UM, UH, UH, AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSICIANS HERE, AND YOU, Y'ALL DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM.
'CAUSE WE DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THEM AS FAR AS THESE ARE.
THIS IS, THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT HELPED MAKE AUSTIN THIS FAMOUS, UH, MUSIC CENTER, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, UP UNTIL, UH, WE LIKE, UH, WILLIE AND SUCH, AND THAT, THAT'S A, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, UH, WE DON'T CELEBRATE THEM.
AGAIN, ONCE, THE THING IS, WE'VE TRIED TO FIND EVERYBODY AND WE INTERVIEW, PHOTOGRAPH, COLLECT MATERIALS, COLLECT RECORDINGS.
UH, THERE'S ABOUT, UH, 55, UH, JUST THESE, THIS IS JUST AUSTIN, BY THE WAY.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH,
BUT WHAT'S SO HUGE, WE DON'T HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT IT, BUT LIKE IN THIS ONE, THERE'S, UH, DRESSES FROM A, ONE OF THE, UH, WOMEN, UH, ONE FROM AUSTIN AND ONE FROM A ROUND ROCK.
UM, THESE, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, MANUEL DONLEY'S FIRST GUITAR, THE ONE THAT HE MADE HIMSELF CUT OUT THE WOOD AND BOUGHT THE PARTS.
'CAUSE HE COULDN'T AFFORD A YOU AN ELECTRIC GUITAR.
UH, UM, IN OUR HUGE, THE STORAGE, WE'RE LUCKY WE HAVE THIS, BUT WE NEED A BETTER STORAGE.
IT'S ALSO, UH, CLIMATE CONTROLLED.
AND, UH, BUT IF YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE, BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE ALL EXHIBITS.
THERE'S ABOUT 24, UH, COMPLETE EXHIBITS.
EVERYTHING, UH, PIONEER COWBOYS, CLASSICAL POP, BLUES, SOUL JAZZ, CANTO, UH, ORTA WOMEN ARE, UH, ALL KINDS OF, UH, FOCUS ON WOMEN MUSICIANS, UH, COUNTRY, GOSPEL ROCK, GERMAN, CZECH.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN OKLAHOMA TO, UH, WITH ALL THE, UH, NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES TO, UH, SO WE CAN HAVE A WONDERFUL BIG EXHIBIT ON THE, AND OF COURSE, THERE'S THREE NOW THAT WERE PUSHED INTO TEXAS AFTER WE STOPPED PUSHING OUR NATIVE AMERICANS OUT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE MATERIAL ON THEM.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH OH, THERE YOU GO.
THAT, THAT'S KIND OF IN, UH, IT'S ABOUT, UH, TEN NINE, UH, COMPLETE, UH, FILE CABINETS JUST PACKED WITH ALL OF THE BIOGRAPHIES AND, UH, UH, UH, AND, UM, UH, PHOTO AND EVERYTHING YOU CAN COULD THINK OF ON HUNDREDS OF TEXAS.
UH, WE NEED MORE FILE CABINETS OR FO
NOW, OVER HERE WE'VE GOT THINGS LIKE, UH, DRESSES FROM, UH, ALMOST ALL THE MAIN MAJOR
WE'VE PROBABLY GOT ABOUT 120, THE VIDEOS
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THAT WE DID OF MUSICIANS FROM HERE, UH, ABOUT A HUNDRED ORAL HISTORY.AND WE'VE HAD A, I I SCHOOL GRADUATE STUDENT WHO'S BEEN COMING TO START HELPING ON THAT.
AND THOUSANDS OF, UH, NEGATIVES.
AND WE HAVE THIS WONDERFUL, UH, I SCHOOL STUDENT WHO WILL GET HER MASTER'S DEGREE ON, UH, FRIDAY, UH, WHO'S BEEN, UH, SCANNING AND, AND, UH, COLLECTING AND PUTTING ALL OUR, UH, ALL OUR, UH, NEGATIVES, YOU KNOW, INTO I, UH, ASSET FREE AND FILES.
SO THAT'S, UM, THIS IS JUST THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
UH,
WE HAD, THIS IS THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.
CHICAGO, AUSTRALIA, CALIFORNIA, UH, PFLUGERVILLE UK AGAIN, LETTER UK, UM, UTAH, UH, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, NEW ZEALAND, CANADA.
CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT, THERE'S ANOTHER PAGE.
UH, GREEN NORTH CAROL, UH, YEAH.
NORTH CAROLINA, FRANCE, SWITZERLAND, IRELAND, SCOTLAND,
UH, EVERYBODY COMING TO AUSTIN WANTS TO COME AND LEARN ABOUT TEXAS MUSIC.
AND, UH, UH, IT'S KIND OF AWESOME.
YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, UH, UH, WHEN THEY COME TO US, THEY END UP COMING TO US.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M 81, BUT I'M THERE EVERY DAY DOING TOURS.
AND, UH, WE, WHEN WE TRY TO GIVE REALLY GOOD TOURS AND WE TRY TO LIKE PLAY, WE'VE GOT LIKE AN EDISON MIC, UH, CYLINDER THAT WE CAN PLAY, THAT WE HAVE THE FIRST CYLINDER RECORDING OF ANY, UH, PERSON MADE IN TEXAS, WHICH WAS MADE WITH, UH, MARY CARSON, WITH, UH, THOMAS EDISON'S COMPANY.
AND, UM, MANY OTHER, UH, PRISONER SONG WAS THE FIRST MILLION SELLING COUNTRY.
WE'VE GOT A EDISON DIAMOND DISC, AND YOU CAN HEAR THE ORIGINAL PRISONER SONG ON DIAMOND DISC.
THIS KIND OF, UH, AND WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF MORE STUFF IN STORAGE AS, UH, TO TRY TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY INTERESTING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY
AND, UH, THEN YOU SEE THE NEXT ONE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WE DID, WE HAD A NICE PROGRAM FOR A TRIBUTE TO WC CLARK AND MATTHEW ROBINSON JUST DID A PROGRAM, UH, FRIDAY.
WE HAD A, A PROGRAM FOR BE, UH, GRIFFIN, WHO DID THE, UH, UH, UH, THE, UH, UH, ROCK, UH, AND JAZZ.
JAY, THIS IS JAY BACK HERE,
AND, UH, IT'S, WE'VE, THEY'VE, UH, WE'VE ENDED UP HELPING THEM.
AND THEY DID BECOME A, OUR HOUSE BAND NOW, JAZZ,
AND WE HAD A PROGRAM NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH, UH, CANTO LASKI, UM, A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, WONDERFUL BIG MUSEUM.
'CAUSE LIKE, LIKE I SAID, STORAGE, WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE THE FILES AND THE PHOTOS AND THE ARTIFACTS AND SUCH.
BUT, UH, UH,
MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD MAKE A STEP HERE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A MUCH BETTER FACILITY THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE ROCK.
AND, YOU KNOW, CLEVELAND GOT BEHIND AND BUILT THAT BIG ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME, LOOK AT THAT STUNT ALSO FOR THE ECONOMY THERE AND STUFF.
AND, UH, UH, COUNTRY MUSIC ASSOCIATION STARTED THE COUNTRY MUSIC MUSEUM, UH, IN NASHVILLE.
UH, THEY DONATED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
BUT THAT NOW IS A HUGE WONDER EVER.
I'VE BEEN, BEEN THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES.
UH, OH, AND BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, YOU, UH, UH, I THINK WHAT QUESTIONS, AND THEN I, LET'S SEE, QUESTION IF MAYBE WE CAN JUST AT LEAST INTRODUCE AND SEE IF ANYBODY, ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WANTED.
YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE, UM, THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS COME UP, AND I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND I, AND A SUGGESTION, AND I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW I HAVE TO LEAVE.
SO I AM ENJOYING THIS PRESENTATION VERY MUCH.
AND SO I'M VERY SORRY THAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE, BUT I DO, I, THIS PRESENTATION IS
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EXCELLENT.CLEARLY THIS IS A TREMENDOUS CULTURAL RESOURCE.
UM, THIS, AND IT, TO ME IS DESERVING OF A WORLD CLASS HOME AND WORLD CLASS CONSERVATORSHIP.
SO I, I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH, UM, THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SPACE AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
UH, AND ON THURSDAY, I'M GONNA BE IN A MEETING WITH, UH, ONE OF THE COUNCIL OFFICES WHO'S ACTUALLY COMING WITH THE, TO THE, THE LAND USE WORKING GROUP, ASKING FOR SUGGESTIONS.
SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO DISCUSS FINDING A HOME AT THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR THIS, UM, CLEAR, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW THE CONVENTION CENTER CAN PROVIDE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND REALLY SUPPORT OUR MUSIC ECOSYSTEM.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A BOON TO TOURISM.
I THINK THIS COULD BE A VERY, VERY WIN-WIN SITUATION AND OPEN UP THIS COLLECTION TO VISITORS FROM AROUND THE WORLD AND GIVE IT THE ATTENTION THAT DESERVES.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A A MOTION FOR THAT TONIGHT.
I KNOW WE DO HAVE THIS AS AN AGENDA VOTING ITEM.
IF YOU GUYS WANNA TACKLE THAT, WE CAN, OR WE MAY NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO A FUTURE MEETING.
BUT, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, AND I WOULD WANNA THANK ALL OF YOUR BOARD.
I WAS HOPING THIS MIGHT LEAD TO, UH, SOME OTHER, FIRST OF ALL, I HOPE, I HOPE WE CAN GET YOU ALL TO COME OVER.
I THINK YOU WOULD REALLY ENJOY, GIVE YOU A, A GOOD, UH, TOUR.
SO, UH,
UH, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW WHERE WE ARE IS, IS GOOD BECAUSE PEOPLE WALK THERE AND THE VISITOR CENTER SENDS EVERYBODY OVER.
AND WE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE USED TO HAVE, UH, FREE PARKING, BUT THE, UH, CHURCH BEHIND IT NOW, NOW CHARGES THE PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT.
BUT THERE'S STILL ROOM ON THE STREET AND SOME OTHER, BUT, UH, YEAH.
SHARKEY, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED, UH, A FACILITY RIGHT NOW TO STORE, UH, A LOT, LOT OF THE DISPLAYS THAT YOU HAVE BECAUSE, UH, I BELIEVE THE CITY TOOK OVER OR TOOK WELL, YEAH, WE HAVE ABOUT, ABOUT A YEAR.
UH, BUT THE, THE THING IS, IT'S NOT, UH, CLIMATE CONTROLLED.
AND WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF THAT REALLY SHOULD BE IN A NOW IS THE, IS THE FACILITY THAT YOU'RE IN RIGHT NOW, IS THAT, IS THAT A PERMANENT FACILITY OR NO, NO, NO.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAY THERE AS MUCH AS ABOUT A YEAR, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A SPOT WITHIN THE MEANTIME.
AGAIN, IT'S, WOW, IT'S SO HOT DURING THE SUMMER AND COLD IN THE WINTER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL THESE ARTIFACTS AND 20, 24, 25 COMPLETE EXHIBITS, AND WELL, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT, UH, YOU PAY HOW'S, HOW'S THE RENT? I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT YOU'RE PAYING FROM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY.
YEAH, I'VE BEEN PAYING THE RENT FOR YEARS AND YEARS, AND I FIGURE THAT'S A GOOD USE FOR MY SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, AND MANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE, YOU KNOW, DONATE, HELP US, UH, UH, UH, STAY IN BUSINESS AND SUCH.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND YOU OPEN, IT'S A PASSION FOR US.
YOU, YOU OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? NO, WE'RE, UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
IN THE AFTERNOONS, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, VOLUNT, YOU KNOW.
WE NEED SOME MORE STAFF, SOME MONEY AND STUFF.
WE COULD, IT BOTHERS ME SOMETIMES.
I GO THERE TO WORK ON SATURDAY AND THERE'S PEOPLE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, YOU, I SAY, OH, WELL, WHAT NIGHT
AND, UH, THE, UH, TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM DOES HAVE A LARGE, UH, UH, DISPLAY OF AUSTIN, AUSTIN MUSIC.
I MEAN, GOING WAY BACK TO 19 HUNDREDS, I BELIEVE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM, I, I, I REALLY FEEL THAT WE SHOULD GET BEHIND IN SOMEWHERE OR ANOTHER TO TRY TO FIND A FACILITY OR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, MAYBE SOME OF THESE CITY BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING, YOU KNOW, DONE AWAY WITH OR SOMETHING TO HAVE IT.
BECAUSE I, I, I'VE SEEN THE DISPLAY.
I MEAN, IT'S, UH, I MEAN, AND HE DOES HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT, THAT, THAT COME THROUGH TO, TO SEE THIS, UH, THE DISPLAYS.
AND SOMETIMES, NOT ALL THE DISPLAYS ARE UP.
BUT WE HAVE A COMPLETE HUGE EXHIBIT NOW FROM ALL OF THE AUSTIN, UH, TEJANO, UH, POSITIONS THAT WE'VE
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HAD TO FIND EVERYBODY.THERE WAS A THING IN THE PAPER ABOUT JOHNNY ANO, YOU KNOW, JOHNNY'S ONE OF MY BUDDIES, AND I, I, UH, HE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE INTERVIEWS, SO I TOOK THE NEWSPAPER GUY OVER THERE AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHAT, AND THEN JOHNNY WAS ABLE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME, HE'S, HE'S NINE, YOU KNOW, AND HE NEEDS RECOGNITION.
YOU SAY ALL OF THAT IN HERE, SORRY.
HE NEEDS, AND THEN, UH, THERE'S, UH, QUITE A FEW, THERE'S QUITE A FEW MUSICIANS LIKE THAT THAT STILL SHOULD GET MORE, UH, THAT ARE STILL WITH US.
THAT, THAT NEED, UH, AFRICAN AMERICAN, AND, UH, GOSH, WE JUST, UH, UH, EVERYTHING LAST WC CLARK, WE HAD A BIG PROGRAM MEMORIAL FOR HIM.
AND, UH, I MEAN, HE WAS REALLY A GIANT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, UM, I MEAN,
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DILLA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION AND TO OTHER COMMISSIONER'S ATTENTION AS WELL.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE SUCH A TEXAS TREASURE THAT, UM, NEEDS TO BE UPLIFTED, AND IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR IT TO BE IN THE CAPITAL OF TEXAS AND AUSTIN.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, THE WORK OF VOLUNTEERING, UM, AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
DO YOU, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL MOVED, YOU KNOW, OF, OF LIKE HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, HELP.
IS THERE A GOOD ARCHIVE? SO YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED KIND OF THE, THE LOGISTICS OF WHAT, LIKE A GOOD, BETTER, BEST SCENARIO OF WHAT YOU WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO PRESENT THIS TO PEOPLE THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP IN TER, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IS THERE SOME, UM, KIND OF LIKE, WE NEED THIS MUCH WALL SPACE, OR WE NEED THIS IS, THIS IS HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU NEED.
UM, HOPEFULLY WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE IT'S, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR BECAUSE WE WILL TRY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
BUT WE'LL NEED TO KNOW THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE MUSEUM.
WELL, THAT'S WHY WE, THAT ONE SLIDE KIND OF GIVES SO MANY THAT MAY BE HELPFUL.
THE OTHER THING I GUESS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT WAS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THIS INCREDIBLE HISTORY THAT YOU HAVE HERE.
AND GUESS WHAT, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL KICKING, AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE HISTORY AND OH, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S MORE ARCHIVING THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKING PLACE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE 19 HUNDREDS, BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE IN THE, YOU KNOW, OH, YEAH.
SO IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE ESTABLISHED THIS FOUNDATION THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE OH, YEAH.
AND, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL OF THE FAMOUS PEOPLE TOO, UH, AND, UH, AND ALL OF THE, UH, UH, ALL THE EXHIBITS, YOU KNOW, WE GOT BEYONCE, WE GOT EVERYBODY, BUT, BUT, UM, UH, WE'VE, PEOPLE ARE MORE FAMILIAR.
BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'VE KIND OF EMPHASIZED, AND ESPECIALLY AFRICAN AMERICAN AND, UH, MEXICAN AMERICAN TEXANS AND NATIVE AMERICAN AND SUCH.
AND BECAUSE THESE GROUPS ESPECIALLY HAVE BEEN, I MEAN, AUSTIN HAS NO IDEA HOW IMPORTANT ALL OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSICIANS FROM THE EAST SIDE WERE MAKING AUSTIN THIS GREAT MUSIC PLACE.
THEY, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO MANY, WERE BIG NATIONAL AND SELLING ALL THESE RECORDS AND STUFF, AND THEY'RE JUST KIND OF IGNORED.
SHOCKEY, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KADA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
COMMISSIONER DAVILA, THANKS FOR ADDING, UH, GETTING THIS ADDED TO THE AGENDA, UH, COMMISSIONER DLA AND LIGHTENED, UH, ME EARLIER ON.
UH, YOU JUST, HOW PERSONALLY COMMITTED YOU ARE TO THIS.
UM, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A, A BEAUTIFUL THING ALL AROUND.
UH, I AM, UM, ADDING ON TO COMMISSIONER ADES QUESTION.
I'M CURIOUS ON WHAT KIND OF CITY SUPPORT YOU ARE GETTING RIGHT NOW OR IN THE, HAVE GOTTEN IN THE PAST.
UH, IF, UH, OR, UM, IF YOU WOULD PREFER THAT WE GO, YOU KNOW, UH, LET THE OTHER SPEAKERS COME AND, UH, SPEAK FIRST AND THEN MAYBE ADDRESS SOME MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, UH, WE'RE JUST FINISHING A NICE, UH, WHAT'S IT CALLED? COMMUNITY CREATIVE.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD AIR CONDITIONING FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN THIS BUILDING THAT THE CHURCH OWNS.
AND, UH, IT'S JUST PRETTY AWFUL AND COLD IN THE WINTER.
AND SO THE CITY DOES HAVE THIS WONDERFUL
AND, UH, WE'VE HAD A WONDERFUL, SO CURRENTLY THIS IS THIS.
SO WE'VE, WE DID GET 39,200 FROM THE CITY TO, UH, PUT THE AIR CONDITIONER IN.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXPECTED TO STAY AT LEAST A COUPLE YEARS IN THERE WITH, UM, AND, UH, WE DID GET, UM, UH, NOT ONE OF THE BIGGEST, BUT WE GOT AN ELEVATE, ELEVATE, WHICH, UH, UH, FOR 50,000, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, LETS US HAVE A PART-TIME, COMMUNITY
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ENGAGEMENT PERSON WHO'S OUT THERE WITH ALL THE SCHOOLS AND THE, AND THE SENIOR CENTERS.AND, UH,
THAT'S
THAT GUY KNOWS MORE ABOUT US IN MUSIC NOW THAN
ANYWAY, HE DOES FANTA, YOU'LL SEE ON THAT.
BUT THEY, THEY SAY JAY DID GREAT TOUR, YOU KNOW, HE WAS SO WONDERFUL.
SO, UH, YEAH, SO PAM, OF COURSE, AND WE TRY TO DO THINGS TOGETHER WITH HER WOMEN IN, UH, JAZZ.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A AMAZING, UH, PROGRAM.
AND, UH, UH, EMMETT HAYES HERE, UH, HE'S ON THE BOARD FOR, UH, INTERVAL CARE, BUT HE WAS THE HEAD OF JUVENILE JUSTICE AND THE WITH, UH, UH, UH, THE, UM, UH, BIG PROGRAM, UH, OF, UH, PROVIDING, UH, TREATMENT IN PRISONS FOR, UH, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THERE LARGELY RELATED TO ALCOHOL AND DRUGS.
UH, JASON MILLARD BACK THERE, HE'S PROFESSOR AT, UH, TEXAS STATE, AND HE'S THE EDITOR OF THE TEXAS MUSIC JOURNAL.
AND OF COURSE, WE, WE'VE DONE PROGRAMS BETWEEN, HE ALSO, UH, IS THE HEAD OF THAT, UH, TEXAS, OH, I ALWAYS GET IT WRONG.
TEXAS CENTER FOR TEXAS MUSIC HISTORY.
HUH? CENTER CENTER FOR TEXAS MUSIC HISTORY AT, UH, TEXAS.
I MEAN, SHE, SHE HELPS US WITH ALL OF THE, HER, HER FATHER WAS ONE OF THE FAMOUS, UM, UH, MEXICAN ORCHESTRA LEADERS.
AND SHE HELPS US WITH ALL THESE PROGRAMS. SHE HELPED US RECENTLY.
WE DID ONE FOR LITTLE JOEL FOR THE BOOK.
HE CAME OUT AND WE DID ONE FOR, UH, RUBEN RAMOS.
GAVE HIM UP BIG AWARD AND SUCH.
AND SHE'S DONE A LOT OF THAT STUFF.
UH,
HORKEY? I THINK I SAID JAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THESE ARE ALL OUR WONDERFUL BOARD MEMBERS, AND THEY, THEY, THEY PROBABLY COULD EACH TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT SOME ASPECT, BUT, UH, ALL RIGHT.
WHAT WOULD, DID YOU, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER? YEAH.
HOW MUCH? 5 1 2
LIKE WHEN I WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT TOO.
LIKE AN AMOUNT THAT IT, AN AMOUNT THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO, UM, GET YOU ALL TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.
WELL, IN TERMS OF THE CURRENT, UH, I, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF SPACE THEY WOULD GIVE US AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO RENOVATE IT AND TURN IT IN, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, A REALLY NICE MUSEUM SPACE AND, AND IT SHOULD HAVE PARTNERING AND, UH, UH, ACCESSIBLE.
AND THE, UH, UH, A BIG MUSEUM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DISCOVERY MUSEUM IN, UH, SEATTLE, LUCKILY, A A WEALTHY PERSON GAVE $250 MILLION, AND THAT'S QUITE A WONDERFUL MUSEUM.
I THINK THE COUNTRY MUSIC MUSEUM WAS ABOUT 50 BILLION, YOU KNOW, UH, BACK AT THAT TIME.
SO IN TERMS OF THE LONG RUN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AUSTIN MAKING A BIG, UH, UH, A BIG, UH, AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, INTO BUILDING A MUSEUM LIKE, LIKE, UH, CLEVELAND DID FOR THE ROCK AND ROLL MUSEUM.
'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
BUT, UH, FOR NOW, I SUPPOSE, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF FACILITIES, UH, I UNDERSTAND 10 MILLION WOULD BE NICE TO GIVE US A POT FOR HIRING SOME FOLKS AND TO MAYBE RENOVATE SOME SPACE.
UH, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER CA, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? OKAY.
HORKEY, UH, UH, MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE A LITTLE BREAK.
I WILL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, CALL, UH, THE OTHER SPEAKERS UP AND, UH, WE CAN, UH, CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION FROM THERE.
UH, LIKE 81, I WENT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN BEFORE I'M OUT OF HERE, YOU KNOW,
UM, LIKE TO REQUEST, UH, PAM HAR TO COME UP AND SPEAK.
AND, UH, AND IF YOUR NAME WAS HERE ON THE LIST, BUT YOU DIDN'T
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INTEND TO SPEAK, JUST, JUST LET ME KNOW.AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT SPEAKER.
AND JUST A REMINDER, EACH SPEAKER HAS THREE MINUTES, SO THANK YOU.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, ECHO CLAY'S, UH, REQUEST.
THE TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM IS A VITAL PART OF THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY, AND I'M SO EXCITED TO BE ON THE BOARD TO SUPPORT HIM.
AND I KNOW THAT HE DIDN'T COME PREPARED WITH FIGURES, BUT WE JUST KNOW THAT THE NEED IS THERE AND ALL OF THAT FEASIBILITY AND COSTING AND ALL OF THAT, UH, WE CAN WORK OUT.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THE REQUEST, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, OTHERWISE, UH, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT SPEAKER.
UH, YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN THE STORY, AND IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG, DID IT? ONCE YOU LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION AND SAY, MY GOD, WHAT A TREASURE THIS IS, IT'S A HIDDEN TREASURE.
AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE IS A BURIED TREASURE.
IT IS SO IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR AUSTIN, BEING THE MUSIC CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, TO HAVE A WORLD CLASS MUSEUM.
IF YOU JUST GOOGLE IT, GOOGLE MUSIC MUSEUM IN AUSTIN, YOU'LL FIND US.
GOOGLE MUSIC MUSEUMS IN TEXAS, YOU'LL FIND US.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING AROUND AUSTIN, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY HARD TO DO THAT.
WHY? BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE SPACE, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE, WE ARE HERE TO SIMPLY ASK ABOUT, ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, AND YOU ALL ALREADY GOT THE GIST OF THAT.
IT IS JUST SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO THAT.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, DR. CLAYTON SHAW IS A STORY HIMSELF.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MUSEUM, BUT THE STORY, YOU'VE JUST GOT A SNAPSHOT, HIS SOCIAL SECURITY, UH, TO, TO SUPPORT THIS OPERATION.
BUT 40 YEARS, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.
SO IT'S GREAT TO GET A SENSE THAT YOU FOLKS ARE GONNA BE WITH US.
'CAUSE WE IN IT TO WIN IT, YOU KNOW? SO WE JUST WAITING ON YOU TO COME ON BY, CHECK OUT WHAT WE GOT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND AS ONE OF THE, UH, WE GOT DR.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH LAVEDA DURST, BUT HE USED TO SAY AS HE SIGNED OFF ON HIS RADIO STATION IN THE COOL OF THE EVENING, Y'ALL HAVE A WARM GOOD NIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I'M THINKING, UH, THIS WE ARE REFERRING TO JASON MILLER.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS EXISTED, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.
UH, SO YEAH, I'M A DOCENT AT THE MUSEUM.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A MUSICIAN, IT'S FUN TO TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT MUSIC ALL DAY.
AND, UM, JUST WORKING THERE MYSELF, I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT MUSIC IN JUST AUSTIN'S HISTORY AS A WHOLE, AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GREAT RESOURCE THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
UM, THANK YOU FOR GRANTING ME THIS TIME.
OH, AND BEFORE I GO, UM, ONE COOL THING I'M DOING IS, UH, HIGHLIGHTING LIKE CERTAIN MUSICIANS IN THE BUILDING, UH, ON OUR, LIKE INSTAGRAM.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONNECT WITH PEOPLE WHO COME IN, I ALWAYS TELL 'EM TO FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM.
AND SO, LIKE, THEY'LL NEVER BE LIKE, QUITE FAR AWAY.
AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE INSTAGRAM, AS I SAID, ARE MUSICIANS.
UH, OR MISS LYDIA MENDOZA, SHE'S A PIONEER IN TEJANO MUSIC.
YOU KNOW, SHE DEFINITELY PAVED THE WAY FOR ARTISTS LIKE SELENA OR MR. UM, MR. VERNON DO HART, WHO IS, UH, CONSIDERED THE FATHER OF COUNTRY MUSIC AND ONE OF THE FIRST SINGING COWBOYS.
SO PAVING WAY FOR GUYS LIKE, UM, WHO'S THE THINKING COWBOY THAT SINGS, UH, RUDOLPH THE RED MILL REINDEER.
UM, AND THEN MS. VICTORIA SPIVEY KNOWN AS, UH, MS. QUEEN OF THE BLUES OUT OF HOUSTON, TEXAS.
A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, UM, I MEAN, DID I JUST NAMED, DID YOU GUYS KNOW ALREADY? OH, YEAH.
WELL, YOU GUYS ARE ON IT,
SO THAT'S WHY THIS SPACE WILL SERVE AS A GREAT PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, GOOD REQUEST, UH, GINA, GINA
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UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO DR.SCHWAR SPEAKING, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STANDS OUT IS THAT HE WENT TO FIND A LOT OF THESE MUSICIANS.
UM, THE TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM IS LIKE NO OTHER MUSEUM THAT I KNOW OF, IN THAT THE RELATIONSHIPS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OVER YEARS AND YEARS.
AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE SPACE, IF WE MOVE FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHAT I WOULD REQUEST, UM, IF POSSIBLE, WOULD BE THAT, UM, WE COULD HOLD ONTO THAT ESSENCE OF BEING ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE'VE DEVELOPED A LOT OF THESE FRIENDSHIPS OVER THE YEARS, UM, THAT WOULD BE REALLY SPECIAL FOR US.
SO, UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES INTO EACH OF THESE EXHIBITIONS AND PROGRAMS, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOURS OF DIGITIZING, UM, ORAL HISTORY FROM VARIOUS COMMUNITIES.
BUT LOOKING AT HOW AUSTIN HAD ONCE BEEN A GENERATION OF BEING DIVIDED, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES US STRONGER BEING ON THE EAST SIDE BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOWCASE OF AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE, MEXICAN AMERICAN CULTURE, AND AS, AND ALSO IMMIGRANTS THAT HAVE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, TO THIS DAY.
UH, SO I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF CULTURAL, UM, ESSENCE AND LOVE THERE.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO STAY ON THE EAST SIDE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, UH, WOULD REQUEST, UH, SYLVIA MORALES, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
HOW YOU DOING? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING.
I WAS LOOKING FOR A CAPSTONE PROJECT.
I WAS A GRAD STUDENT AT UT IN THE I SCHOOL.
MY MAJOR WAS IN LIBRARY SCIENCES.
AND WHEN I STUMBLED ACROSS THIS TREASURE, I WAS AMAZED AND HAPPY BECAUSE THIS IS RIGHT DOWN MY ALLEY.
UM, I SAW ALL THOSE CABINETS WITH WONDERFUL REFERENCE MATERIAL, AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO CURATE THIS PROPERLY.
AND, UM, PUT, UM, ACID FREE, UM, PLASTICS INSIDE ALL THE NEGATIVES AND PICTURES AND PHOTOGRAPHS.
THERE'S LIKE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF WHAT HE'S COLLECTED.
SO THAT IS A TREASURE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO SAVE.
AND SO RECENTLY I'VE BEEN WORKING, UM, PUTTING PROJECTS TOGETHER, UH, HAVING EVENTS.
AND MOST RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN HOSTING, UM, TITLE ONE SCHOOLS TO OUR MUSEUM TO LISTEN TO PERFORMANCES LIKE THE MATTHEW ROBINSON BAND.
UM, BLACK SHERE CAME TODAY, AND, UM, THEY LISTENED TO JAYCE JAZZ.
AND, UM, NEXT WEEK WE'RE GONNA HAVE PAMELA HART AND HER GROUP PRESENT, UH, TO OUR SENIOR CITIZENS.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, OTHERWISE I'LL TAKE A COMMENT.
UM, THIS NAME WAS NOT ON THE LIST GUYS NAME.
JASON MILLER, TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY.
I JUST WANNA UNDERSCORE WHAT'S BEEN SAID HERE, UM, AND THAT ONE OF THE REAL VALUES OF THIS MUSEUM'S WORK IS THAT THERE'S A WAY OF TELLING AUSTIN'S MUSICAL HISTORY IS ONE THAT STARTED AT, AT TABLE IN THREADGILLS IN 1962, AND GOES UP THROUGH THE FOUNDING OF SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST IN THE LATE EIGHTIES.
THIS MUSEUM TAKES THAT STORY BACK TO THE END OF THE 19TH CENTURY, AND IT MOVES THE CENTER OF GRAVITY FROM WEST OF I 35 TO THOSE HISTORICALLY BLACK AND MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES IN EAST AUSTIN.
AND AS YOU'VE HEARD TOO, THESE ARE BUILT ON PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT CLAY SHORKEY AND RUDY MARTINEZ AND THEIR COLLEAGUES HAVE BUILT SINCE THE 1980S.
AND SO THERE IS A DEPTH OF ORAL HISTORY AND VIDEO AND AUDIO WORK THAT IS NOWHERE ELSE, AND THAT WE ARE WORKING TO MAKE SURE KEN CONTINU INTO THE NEXT GENERATION.
SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M HAPPY EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT, WE WOULD ALSO, UM, LIKE RUDY MARTINEZ CAN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT RUDY'S BEEN ALL OVER
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TEXAS AND PHOTOGRAPHING.UH, YOU KNOW, BULA AGNES JONES, SHE'S ONE OF THE FOUNDERS AND THE DIRECTOR OF MUSIC AND FINE ARTS FOR MANY YEARS AT HOUSTON TILLSON.
AND, UH, SHE AND, UH, UH, A LOT OF, MANY PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PASSED.
WE'VE HAD SOME WONDERFUL BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAVE LEFT US, AND THEY ALWAYS LEAVE A LITTLE CALL, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY USED TO DO.
SO THERE WAS, THIS HAS BEEN A, A, A LABOR OF LOVE OF MANY, MANY PEOPLE.
UH, I GOT CON, UH, I THOUGHT JAY AND JASON MULLER DID THE SAME PERSON,
SO I, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, CORRECTING THERE.
UM, SO IF, IF, IF I MAY SUMMARIZE, UM, JUST, JUST FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE HOW TO TAKE THIS FORWARD, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, AND, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M STATING ANYTHING, ANY FACTS, UH, INCORRECTLY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS SOME CITY SUPPORT AVAILABLE CURRENTLY THROUGH CSAP.
UH, THERE IS SOME CITY SUPPORT AVAILABLE TO THE CAD, UH, THROUGH ELEVATE.
AND I'M HOPING AND ASSUMING THAT, UH, YOU WOULD BE APPLYING FOR THAT AGAIN, UH, THIS YEAR.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS SUFFICIENT OR JUST ENOUGH TO KEEP THE OPERATIONS RUNNING, GET AIR CONDITIONING, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGH THE CSAP PROGRAM IN THE CURRENT SPACE.
UH, AND THE NEED SEEMS TO BE, BUT THERE IS, UH, UH, THERE IS A NEED FOR A LONG-TERM HOME, UH, FOR THIS DISPLAY.
IT, THIS IS ONLY GONNA GO SO FAR, BUT THERE'S THIS A NEED FOR A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION, UH, THAT STORES THESE ARTIFACTS WELL, AND ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE DISPLAY OF THESE ARTIFACTS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
UM, PLEASE GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER DELA THE, UM, THE ARTIST THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE PERFORMING, UH, DO THEY GET PAID? YES.
WELL, WE, THAT'S FROM THAT, UH, ELEVATE GRANT IS HELPING US RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO WE CAN, UH, AND WE TRY TO EMPHASIZE, UH, TE AFRICAN AMERICAN, UH, MUSICIANS AND WE'RE TRYING TO EMPHASIZE, UH, THIS KIND OF HISTORY, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE KIDS.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ALL THESE GREAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, FROM THE EAST SIDE SUCH.
AND, UH, WE WANT TO TURN IT, CHANGE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT AUSTIN AS A MUSIC CENTER THAT'S, COME ON, LOOK AT THESE BOOKS.
WE, WE NEED TO TRY TO DO MORE STUFF, YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT OUT THERE.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMON, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF, BUT FIRST I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.
WHAT A TREASURE TROVE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
AS SOMEONE BORN AND RAISED IN AUSTIN AND WHO ALSO PLAYS IN ONE OF THE BANDS I PLAY IN IS DEDICATED TO MUSIC FROM CENTRAL TEXAS FROM THE 1920S.
SO I'M ALL ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING PERSONALLY.
AND MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, AND BASED ON, ON THIS ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN RECOMMEND IN TERMS OF LIKE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST AVENUE, UM, TO BOTH THROW OUR SUPPORT AS A COMMISSION BEHIND AND TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DIRECT, UM, THIS ORGANIZATION FORWARD? THANK YOU.
THIS IS SARAH, MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION MANAGER.
COMMISSIONER GOLD, UH, JUST SAID YOU ALSO APPLIED FOR A BIG THRIVE COMING UP IN, UH, JUNE OF THIS SUMMER FOR THE NEW ROUND OF FUNDING.
UH, BUT ALSO I, I'M GLAD, SO NOVIA STEPPED UP TO THE PODIUM TO TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES.
I JUST LOVE THE IDEA OF THE DUKE CONVENTION CENTER.
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THAT IS A, A GREAT TYPE OF, UH, ACTIVATION FOR THAT.
GOOD EVENING, ANOVIA HOPE WRAP, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND ERICA HAS MENTIONED, AND, UM, COMMISSIONER AND CHARLOTTE, THE CONVENTION CENTER IS, UH, A GREAT IDEA.
YOU COULD ALWAYS DO A RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO COUNCIL ABOUT EXPLORING THAT POSSIBILITY.
THERE ARE COMMUNITY SPACES BEING PLANNED IN THE CONVENTION CENTER, BUT I KNOW THEY WANNA BE.
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UM, SOMEONE EXPRESSED BEING EAST OF I 35, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DID THE $12 MILLION SPACE BOND.YOU COULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING IN THE NEXT BOND PACKAGE THAT COULD BE COMING OUT.
UM, BUT, UH, OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO, AGAIN, JUST RECOMMENDING THAT THIS IS A GREAT ASSET AND THAT WE SHOULD, UM, FIND A PLACE FOR IT.
BUT IT'S EITHER THROUGH THE BONDS, THROUGH CURRENT CITY FACILITIES OR EXPLORING THE OPTION OF THE CONVENTION CENTER.
AND BECAUSE TOURISTS ARE GONNA COME THERE ANYWAY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT, GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
UH, NOVIA, UM, UH, I THINK, I'M GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED THE, THE BOND.
I WOULD BE CURIOUS, UM, AND, AND SOMETHING THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD, UM, BECAUSE I I, I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT, UM, THAT I BELIEVE, IS IT GINA MAYBE WHO EXPRESSED, UM, WHEN, WHEN ANN CHARLOTTE MENTIONED ABOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S A COOL IDEA, BUT ALSO I, I WANT, I WOULD WANT TO SUPPORT Y'ALL SAYING WHAT WOULD WORK BEST FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION AND WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO BE, WHERE YOU WOULD WANNA SEE THIS SPACE, WHERE IT WOULD MOST FEEL LIKE IT KEEPS THE ESSENCE OF WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE.
AND, AND, AND, AND I ENVISION THAT ALSO BEING ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY A BIGGER SPACE, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW ACQUIRED THROUGH THIS BOND, UH, NEXT YEAR'S BOND PACKAGE.
AND THEN MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE LIKE A ROTATING EXHIBIT AT THE CONVENTION CENTER ALSO, LIKE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE SOME OF, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD CURATE, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, QUARTERLY OR HAVE WHATEVER MADE SENSE FOR YOU, WHERE THAT COULD ALSO BE JUST LIKE A TOUCH POINT TO DRAW PEOPLE TO YOUR LARGER SPACE.
UM, SO THEN YOU COULD MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S A LOT, BUT I, I LIKE THE CONVENTION CENTER IDEA, BUT I THINK THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE COMING FROM Y'ALL THAT IT, THAT MIGHT NOT BE WHERE YOU'D WANT YOUR WHOLE PERMANENT SPACE TO BE.
SO, AND ALSO ONE CORRECTION, I'M NOT SURE A BOND WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, BUT IN THE NEXT CYCLE.
I THINK THAT'S 2026, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? UH, COULD BE.
AND ALSO, JUST AS ANOTHER CAVEAT, REMEMBER THE AUSTIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPART, UM, CORPORATION, UH, DID A PROCESS.
AND SO THEY ONLY BROUGHT FORTH 14 OF THEIR PROJECTS THAT COULD BE.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT, THAT'S THE FOREFRONT, THAT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT JUST WANNA JUST MAKE SURE WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT TOO.
SO, UM, I MEAN, THERE ARE THIS, THERE'S A DC, THERE IS, THERE IS SPACES THAT THEY'RE ALREADY, UH, CREATING AS WAS SUGGESTED EARLIER, INCLUDING THE PDC.
THERE'S THE IDEA OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, BUT THERE COULD BE OTHER, IS THERE, THERE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE WITH THE UNIVERSITY? I WOULD THINK THERE'S, UH, LIBRARIES, THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY MUSEUM, I, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SEVERAL OPTIONS TO BE EXPLORED.
HORKEY AND D MIGHT HAVE ALREADY EXPLORED A LOT OF THOSE OPTIONS.
SO WE, WE KIND OF, I THINK THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN.
UM, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY MAYBE, BUT COMMISSIONER, UH, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL CONTINUE MY COMMENTS LATER.
CARVALLO, I, I'LL KEEP IT PRETTY SHORT.
UH, IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO PARTNER WITH THE GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER MUSEUM? 'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE ALL THIS LAND BEHIND THAT MUSEUM THAT'S A STATE OF THE ART SPACE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EVEN GO ABOUT IT.
I JUST KNOW IT'S LIKE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLE MUSEUM ALREADY, AND IT HAS THIS SPACE TO EXPAND.
SO I'M THE ONLY LIVING ORIGINAL BOARD MEMBER FOR CARVER, AND I'M STILL ON THE BOARD AT CARVER.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S THE OFFICE OF REAL ESTATE SERVICES THAT IS THE STEWARD OF CITY OWNED ASSETS.
AND SO, AGAIN, A RECOMMENDATION OF ANY USE OF CITY ASSETS WOULD GO THROUGH THAT.
UM, DEPARTMENT AND STRATEGIC GOVERNOR'S COMMITTEE.
JUST WANNA LAY EVERYTHING OUT THERE THAT THERE IS A PROCESS AND THERE'S NEVER A NO, BUT THERE IS A PROCESS BY HOW WE FUNCTION WITHIN THE CITY.
SO, DIRECTOR AT THIS POINT, AS THINGS NEED TO BE FURTHER LOOKED INTO, UM, IS, IS, IS, I'M JUST RE UH, REQUESTING PERSPECTIVE IS THE BEST THING FOR THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT TO, WE DO WANT TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FORWARD, HOPEFULLY TODAY, UM, IS TO KEEP IT MORE GENERAL, BUT BASICALLY ASK FOR CITY TO RECOMMEND COUNCIL TO EXPLORE, OR RATHER THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND COUNCIL TO EXPLORE, UH, THE SUPPORTING, UH, HOUSING AND DISPLAY OF THE ARTIFACTS FROM TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM.
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WE KEEP IT PRETTY GENERAL? PLEASE GO AHEAD.KEEP IT VERY GENERAL AND THEN THEIR VISION OF WHAT THEY SEE.
SO IT'S JUST NOT CO WHAT, IF THEY WANNA BE ON THE EAST SIDE, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET, EXACTLY WHAT IT COULD ENCOMPASS, AND THEN SEND THAT RECOMMENDATION WITH MORE SPECIFICS.
COMMISSIONER AVILA, MAY, MAY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UH, CAN THE STATE OF TEXAS ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THIS WITH THE CITY? UH, COULD YOU, COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT? UH, COULD THE STATE OF TEXAS ALSO BE A, A PART OF US WITH THE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN IN, UH, CAHOOTS, I SAY WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS TO, UH, BEING, BEING THAT IT'S, UH, ALSO THE TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I'M TRYING TO THINK IN MY MIND, HAVE WE EVER HAD A PARTNERSHIP ON THAT LEVEL? PUT THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S, I MEAN, THERE'S THE TEXAS MUSIC OFFICE.
UM, AND SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE THE, THE MISSION AND THE, YOU KNOW, OVERALL CORE VALUES OF THE NONPROFIT.
THEY, THE TEXAS MUSIC OFFICE MAY BE ABLE TO ASSIST SINCE IT'S A STATEWIDE FOCUS OF THE MUSEUM.
QUESTION MARK
DO WE, DO WE, SO SORRY, COMMISSIONER, UH, SORRY.
I, I JUST, IN MY MIND, I CANNOT THINK RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS ASK.
BUT AGAIN, FUNDING, THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
I JUST WANNA, WE, WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM AUSTIN, I BELIEVE, THAT HAS JUST, UH, IS HEADING THE TEXAS MUSIC OFFICE NOW.
SO, UM, SO IS THERE, IS THERE, IS THERE VALUE IN, IN, UH, ACTUALLY FIGURING OUT THE NEXT LEVEL OF DETAIL AND THEN OFFER PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION? BECAUSE IT, IT LOOKS LIKE, YES, THERE IS URGENCY AROUND IT, BUT IT'S NOT THIS MONTH OR NEXT MONTH.
IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF URGENCY.
RIGHT? LOOKS LIKE THERE IS SOME SUSTAINABILITY AVAILABLE AS, AS OF THIS MOMENT.
WOULD IT HELP TO JUST GET SOME MORE DETAILS, PUT THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION? UM, WE COULD WORK WITH, UM, UH, DR.
SCHEY AND TEAM OFFLINE, UM, A COUPLE OF US AND, AND ACTUALLY GIVE A MORE DETAILED RECOMMENDATION.
I SAY I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT O OBVIOUSLY, UM, I'M WELL AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCES OF THE EAST SIDE OF AUSTIN AND I 35 KIND OF BEING THAT DIVIDING LINE.
BUT IN THE WORLD OF GETTING SOMETHING DONE AND COMPROMISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY THE CONVENTION CENTER, IT IS EAST, IT IS AN EAST ADDRESS BECAUSE IT'S THE CAPITAL THAT IS WHEN THE EAST, THE EAST NUMBERS BEGIN.
I'M NOT SAYING I, I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE MOTIVE AND THE, BUT THINKING OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, THAT THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER WHAT YOUR WISHES REALLY ARE.
AND IT ALSO HELPS KIND OF REDEFINE EAST, EAST OF THE CAPITOL IS, IS THAT'S WHEN THE ADDRESSES START.
SO JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M, NO, I DIDN'T JUST FALL OFF THE TURNIP TRUCK.
I'VE JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I GET IT.
I, I DO, UM, I, YEAH, I, I KIND OF HAVE, UH, THE SIMILAR SENTIMENT AROUND IT.
I THINK THE CONVENTION CENTER, IF, UH, IF FOLKS ARE OPEN TO THAT IDEA, JUST PROVIDES A PRETTY, UH, GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND.
UM, CHAIRMAN OLER, UM, THE ONE THING I DO WANT TO, UM, POINT OUT ABOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER IS THE FACT THAT IT IS GONNA SHUT DOWN AND THERE IS CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS BEFORE THAT'S FINISHED.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE ASPECT.
AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE TIME FOR THAT.
I, I THINK, I THINK IF, IF, IF THEY'RE ASKING THAT THEY STAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, UM, AND GATLIN HAYES IS ALREADY WORKING WITH, UM, HAROLD MCMILLAN IN, UM, BLOCK 16 AND 18 TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY SOME, SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, UM, AROUND THAT.
AND THERE'S ALREADY A BUDGETARY PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT I, I MEAN, I HONESTLY KIND OF WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION, MOVE IT TO DISCUSSION SO THAT NO ONE YELLS AT US FROM THE CITY.
AND THEN MAYBE WE BRING ED AND GATLIN HAZEN TO, TO KIND OF COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT, UM, THIS NEXT MONTH IN, IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT IS IT THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COULD DO? WHAT IS IT THAT AUSTIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION COULD DO? WHAT IS IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE POOL? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE FULL MIGHT OF
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RESOURCES LEGISLATIVELY, POSSIBLY, THAT WE COULD DO TO, TO, TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN THAT'S GOING TO, I MEAN, MAYBE NOT MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, BUT WE COULD DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA PUT A SERIOUS DENT IN THIS.I FEEL LIKE IF WE GO TO, IF WE, IF WE RECOMMEND SOMETHING AND IT GOES TO COUNCIL, AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS HAPPENING.
IT, IT HAPPENS TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHERE LIKE, WE RECOMMEND SOMETHING AND IT'S A GREAT RECOMMENDATION AND WE SPEND MONTHS TALKING ABOUT IT, AND THEN LIKE THE PARKING THING OR LIKE THE SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST THING, OR LIKE, I'M, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT IT JUST GOES INTO A BOX OF REALLY GOOD IDEAS, AND THEN NO ONE PICKS IT UP.
SO I FEEL LIKE IF WE GO TO THEM WITH SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE, BULLET POINT, THIS IS IT.
THIS IS THE MONEY THAT WE NEED, THIS IS HOW WE NEED TO DO IT.
AND THEN WE MAKE THEM DO IT BASICALLY BY PUTTING PRESSURE ON THEM TO DO IT.
IT'LL GET DONE A LOT FASTER THAN US MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT JUST GOES TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BACK HERE IN, IN A YEAR.
I ALSO, I, ON A MORE, UM, PERSONAL NOTE, UM, UH, I HAD A, A, A SHOW, UM, UM, LAST AUGUST WITH JOE JAMES.
IT WAS HIS, UM, ALBUM RELEASE PARTY.
AND, AND, UH, I OPENED FOR HIM, AND IT WAS THE OWNER OF, UH, NATE'S BAR THAT, THAT SAW OUR PERFORMANCES.
AND, UM, WHEN WC CLARK PASSED AWAY, I TOOK OVER HIS RESIDENCY, WHICH ALLOWED FOR ME TO, UM, PUT SOME MORE FOOD ON MY TABLE.
AND, UM, IT'S, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THAT MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF THE FACT THAT MUSICIANS DON'T MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS VOLUNTEER AND YOU MAKE VERY LITTLE, AND YOU'RE ALL YOU'RE DOING IS TRYING TO PRESERVE THE HERITAGE OF WHAT THE CITY HAS TO OFFER.
I, I, UM, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, FOR SHARING THAT VERY HEARTWARMING STORY.
UM, UM, SO, SO, SO, UH, ARE THERE ANY VOLUNTEERS I KNOW ABOUT, UH, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, VICE CHAIR, UH, PATTERSON WOULD BE INTERESTED, UH, TO KIND OF MAYBE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, UH, WITH, UM, WITH DR.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOLUNTEERS THAT COULD LESS THAN QUORUM,
IT'S NOT A COMMITTEE, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS QUO.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST APPROACH.
UM, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE THROUGH STAFF.
UH, I COULD, UH, SHARE, UH, JUST SOME, SOME STRUCTURE AROUND, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHO'S, WHO'S DOING WHAT, MAYBE, UH, BUT, BUT HAVE SOME, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, UH, DR.
SHOCKEY AND TEAM AND, UH, COME BACK MAYBE WITH A MORE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE, UH, IN THE NEXT MUSIC COMMISSION MEETING.
EVERYONE'S WELCOME TO ATTEND FROM THE TEAM, BUT, UH, WE WOULDN'T, UH, UH, INSIST THAT YOU DO, UH, IF YOU WANT TO SEND A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, TO BE HERE.
UM, AND OF COURSE, UH, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO RECOMMEND DOING A MOTION TODAY IS STILL FREE TO, BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO SOMETHING NEXT MONTH AFTER WE HAVE MORE DETAILS.
IS THAT A MOTION WORKING, NOT A, NOT A, NOT A FORMAL, NOT A FORMAL.
I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE MAKE A MOTION NEXT, NEXT, IN THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, SO, UH, PROCEDURALLY, UM, KIM SHALL BE, UM, CAN WE, SINCE WE, THIS WAS UNDER DISCUSSION AND PO POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS, AND IF WE DON'T MAKE A MOTION, IS TH DO WE HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION RIGHT NOW? NO.
UH, WE ARE GONNA NEED NUMBERS IS AM, AM I RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA NEED NUMBERS ON, UH, FUNDS AND SIZE OF, UH, BUILDING THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR.
YEAH, AND I THINK AS, AS, AS WE HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS, I THINK, UH, IF WE CAN, WE HAVE SOME TIME TO GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, EVERYONE'S WORKING IN SO MANY DIFFERENT SPHERES.
FOLKS MIGHT HAVE SOME NEW IDEAS ON LIKE, LIKE THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS BROUGHT UP, A DC WAS BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, PEOPLE WILL JUST HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, MARINATE ON THIS RIGHT.
AND COME UP WITH SOME MORE IDEAS.
THE ONE THING THAT ALSO COMES TO MIND IS, UM, YOU ALL, YOU ALL ARE A, A POWERFUL, HARDWORKING, VOLUNTEER BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
AND IT DOES SEEM THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN ONE MONTH, YOU CAN REALLY KIND OF ASSESS
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AS A GROUP TOGETHER OF LEADERS HOW WE CAN BEST HELP YOU.AND SO THAT, THAT I THINK IS WHAT, YEAH.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PUN KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A MORE IN DEPTH CONVERSATION WITH WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE, HOW WE CAN REALLY HELP NOW THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED US THIS INFORMATION.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE COMMISSIONER PATTERSON AND OTHERS ARE VERY, UM, EAGER TO ASSIST YOU IN THIS PROCESS.
AND, AND, UH, OF COURSE, ANY RECOMMENDATION WE BRING, UM, WILL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALIGNED.
WE, WE ARE NOT GONNA RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT VIABLE OR, OR DOESN'T, UH, FEEL, UH, YOU KNOW, USEFUL TO, TO, TO TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, IF, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, UH, CORRECTIONS YES.
SO IF WE WANNA HAVE A WORKING GROUP, IF WE'RE DECIDING ON THAT TODAY, ONE, WE WANNA MOVE THIS ITEM TO NEXT WEEK, DON'T, OR NEXT MONTH, DON'T FORGET TO MENTION IT IN THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. YES.
BUT IF WE HAVE PROPOSED WORKING GROUP MEMBERS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION AND SECOND, AND THEN WE WILL HANDLE EVERYTHING ELSE IF IT CHANGES LATER.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO DO, BECAUSE WE HAVE A, WE HAD A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS, VOLUNTEERS, SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO, UH, FORM A WORKING GROUP, UM, A TERM LIMITED WORKING GROUP, AS, AS I ALWAYS RECOMMEND, UH, TO, UH, DISCUSS, UH, POTENTIAL OPTIONS AROUND, UH, UH, STORING AND, UH, HOUSING THE ARTIFACTS FROM THE TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM.
UH, IF ANYBODY COULD PLEASE, UH, SECOND.
OH, COMMISSIONER DAVILA, UH, UH, AND, UH, THE SECOND ROOM, COMMISSIONER DAVILA ALL IN FAVOR.
UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, SOME VOLUNTEERS? 1, 2, 3, 4.
COMMISSIONER, IF WE CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THIS.
COMMISSIONER DEVELA, UH, COMMISSIONER LAN, COMMISSIONER CARVALHO, AND COMMISSIONER GOLD.
UM, I WILL, UM, SEE IF, UH, COMMISSIONER PATTERSON IS INTERESTED.
UM, IF NOT, UM, THEN I WILL, I'LL GET INVOLVED.
[9. Approve recommendation to create a Creative Combining District and Development Bonus Program to enhance the development and preservation of live music venues and creative sector businesses, and to initiate a specific Red River Cultural District subdistrict following update by Donald Jackson, Economic Development Department.]
ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.UM, UNDER DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS, APPROVE RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE A CREATIVE COMBINING DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT BONUS PROGRAM TO ENHANCE THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION OF LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND CREATIVE SECTOR BUSINESSES.
AND TO INITIATE A SPECIFIC RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT, SUB-DISTRICT FOLLOWING UPDATE BY DONALD JACKSON, EDD, UM, IS DONALD JACKSON AROUND? YES.
UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
I'M HAPPY TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
UH, THIS IS FOLLOWING UP ON THE ITEM I PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION LAST MONTH.
UH, THIS IS THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO TRY AND RESPOND TO COUNCIL ITEMS, UH, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY NEEDS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF INCENTIVE PROGRAMS TO SUPPORT CREATIVE DISTRICTS, MUSIC DISTRICTS, ARTS DISTRICTS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF INCENTIVES AND BONUSES FOR AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE.
UM, AND, UH, THE, I, I BELIEVE THE, UH, HANDOUT WAS SENT OUT AGAIN FOR, FOR THIS MEETING.
AND, UM, AT THE LAST, AT THE LAST MEETING I PRESENTED AND, AND WAS INFORMED THAT Y'ALL NORMALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND THEN, UH, LOOK AT TAKING ACTION IN THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS.
SO, UH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
WE CAN GO THROUGH, UH, THIS AGAIN, IF Y'ALL LIKE, OR WE CAN JUST, UM, OR WE CAN DISCUSS.
THERE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ANY MAJOR UPDATES.
I WILL NOTE THAT THERE IS JUST ONE TIMELINE UPDATE.
UH, IT WAS GONNA GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE 28TH OF THIS MONTH, MAY THAT'S BEEN MOVED.
IT'S GONNA GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JUNE 11TH NOW.
UH, AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF, UH, AS Y'ALL MIGHT BE AWARE, THERE'S, THERE'S TONS OF LARGE, UM, PERMIT, THERE'S TONS OF LARGE, UH, ZONING CHANGES HAPPENING, UH, THIS MONTH IN MAY.
SO WE DECIDED TO MOVE AROUND FOR, FOR SPACE, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT BE, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, UH, OR DISCUSS IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, ACTION ON IT.
UM, DONALD, UH, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UH, ANYBODY NEEDS A QUICK REVISION OFF THE TOPIC AND THE, UM, PRESENTATION IS FROM LAST MONTH.
IF YOU WERE ABLE TO LOOK ON THE SCREEN, IF YOU WANT US TO LIKE, GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANY OF THOSE THAT COME TO MIND, BUT THAT'S WHAT, IT'S JUST FOR A REFRESHER.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
IF ANYBODY NEEDS A REFRESHER, LET'S DO THE REFRESHER.
DONALD, DO YOU MIND KIND OF, UH, SURE.
YEAH, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.
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BRIEFLY.SO THIS SURE THING, THESE ARE THE, WE'LL, WE'LL DO A QUICK SORT OF EXPEDITED VERSION.
THESE ARE THE MAJOR RESOLUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MOTIVATING THIS, UM, WITH A FOCUS ON, UH, LIVE MUSIC, UH, VENUE DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS CREATIVE SPACE DISTRICTS.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AS BEING PART OF THIS.
THE ONES YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HERE ARE INCREASED, UH, DENSITY, BONUSES, FLOOR RATIO, UH, COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, AND CREATING, CREATING, UH, CREATING CREATIVE DISTRICTS, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FOCUS ON FACILITATING AFFORDABLE SPACE AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS WELL AS PRESERVATION OF EXISTING SPACES.
SO, THE GOAL IN THIS IS GOING TO IS THERE'S, AS I STATED BEFORE, THERE'S SORT OF TWO THINGS HAPPENING WITH THIS ITEM.
UH, ONE THING IS WE'RE CREATING A, BASICALLY A CREATIVE DISTRICT THAT'LL BE APPLIED CITYWIDE OR CAN BE APPLIED CITYWIDE.
UH, IT'LL BE A PAPER DISTRICT, SO IT WON'T BE APPLIED TO ANY SPECIFIC DISTRICT UPFRONT.
IT'LL BE CREATE A PROCESS SIMILAR TO HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING, WHERE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS CAN, UH, CAN GO THROUGH THAT AND GET THIS DISTRICT ADDED.
WE WANTED TO DO THAT SO THAT, UM, AND THAT'S, WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT SOMETHING THAT FOLKS CAN REQUEST AND CREATE A PROCESS FOR IT.
UH, WE HAD A VERY AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE TO TRY AND MOVE THIS FORWARD IN SPRING, UH, WHICH WE'RE MORE OR LESS CLOSE TO, BUT WE'VE HAD TO BE PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT TO SUMMER FOR, FOR, TO AC ACCOMMODATE OTHER ZONING CASES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE BIG FEATURE.
THE OTHER BIG FEATURE IS GOING TO BE A SPECIAL SITUATION FOR THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN AN EXISTING, UH, DENSITY BONUS FRAMEWORK.
SO INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO DO THIS, UH, STUFF THAT'S IN DOWNTOWN WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ITS OWN, UH, ITS OWN SPECIAL ACCOMMODATION.
UH, THESE ARE THE MAJOR HIGHLIGHTS.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE MAIN THING WOULD BE THAT, UH, THAT'S STILL COMING UP, UH, IS WE DID DO THE SET DATE FOR COUNCIL ALREADY.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, UH, HAS BEEN MOVED, UH, FIRST FROM FIRST TO MAY 28TH, AND NOW IT'S ALSO BEEN MOVED TO JUNE 11TH, AND THE COUNCIL HEARING WILL BE JULY 18TH.
SO WE STILL ACTUALLY HAVE A FEW MONTHS BEFORE THIS ONE, UH, NEXT SLIDE.
SO WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING DRIVEN BY CREATIVE SPACE STAKEHOLDERS, BY FOLKS IN THE CREATIVE COMMUNITY AND PROPERTY OWNERS WHO, WHO WORK WITH VENUES, UH, AND ARTS FACILITIES.
WE WANNA MAKE IT A, A TOOL THAT CAN BE VERY BOTTOM UP, NOT TOP DOWN.
UM, WE WANT TO HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS SORT OF ORDERLY AND BASED ON NORMAL PRESS, UH, EXISTING CITY PRECEDENTS, WHERE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY CAN HAVE THE, THE PROPER WAY TO WEIGH IN.
AND, UH, FOLKS CAN CALIBRATE THE SORT OF DISTRICT THAT THEY NEED THROUGH BASICALLY THE, THE NORMAL REZONING PROCESS.
UM, AND THE REAL TARGET BENEFICIARIES HERE ARE GOING TO BE CREATIVE SPACES OR PERFORMANCE VENUES, OR COCKTAIL LOUNGES OPERATING AS A MUSIC VENUE, NOT JUST KIND OF, THESE ARE JUST LIKE LAND USE DEFINITIONS.
THESE ARE TERMS, SINCE IT'S ZONING, WE HAVE TO USE KIND OF THE SPECIAL LAND USE TERMS AND NOT JUST LIKE WHAT MIGHT JUST SEEM LIKE COMMON SENSE TERMS. BUT WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT, UM, UH, LAST YEAR TO TRY AND GET SOME OF THAT REVISED.
SO, UH, THESE ARE THE MAJOR TOOLS THAT WE'D BE PUTTING IN PLACE, UH, WITH THIS CREATIVE DISTRICT.
THERE'D BE GROUND FLOOR REQUIREMENTS SO THAT, UM, AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE JUST LIMITED TO GROUND FLOOR.
SOME OF WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK IS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD THINK ABOUT THE BASEMENT, YOU COULD THINK ABOUT THE SECOND STORY.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.
BUT, UM, BUT, BUT BROADLY SPEAKING, UH, IN THAT KIND OF GROUND FLOOR AREA, GENERALLY AT LEAST 30% OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE WOULD NEED TO BE RESERVED FOR AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE USES.
AND THEN AT LEAST 25% OF THE TOTAL AREA OF THE GROUND FLOOR, OR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO INCLUDE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER LOWER FLOORS FOR THAT.
UH, WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE.
AND THERE NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF COVENANT THAT KEPT THAT IN PLACE.
UM, THE, UH, THIS WOULD ALSO USE, UH, THE CREATE THE PRESERVATION AND RELOCATION BENEFITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN SECTION 4 18 31 OF THE CODE NOW.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT IF YOU, IF YOU DO THIS DISTRICT, UM, YOU CAN DO TWO THINGS.
YOU CAN USE, YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE IN NEW BUILDINGS, BUT YOU'D ALSO HAVE, UH, INCENTIVES AND REQUIREMENTS TO, UM, PRESERVE THEM TO THE DEGREE THAT IF, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A REDEVELOPMENT OF A PROPERTY THAT HAS A CREATIVE SPACE NOW, UM, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO INCENTIVIZE DISPLACEMENT OF CREATIVE SPACES OR VENUES BY ANY MEANS.
SO WE, UH, SO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE WOULD BE NOTICE STRONG RELOCATION BENEFITS, UM, AND THEN IF THE SITE'S BEING REDEVELOPED,
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UH, DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO, UH, PUT AS MUCH OF, OF THE, OF THE SPACE THAT'S SORT OF LOST, UH, IN THE NEW BUILDING.AND THEN IF THERE'S A CREATE, AND THEN, AND THIS IS AGAIN, IF THERE'S A CREATIVE SPACE, UH, ON A SITE.
AND SO THERE'S, WE DON'T WANT TO INCENTIVIZE ANY SORT OF LIKE, DISPLACEMENT.
UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THEN IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THE CREATIVE SPACE OPERATOR BASICALLY WRITE A FIRST, WRITE A RETURN, UH, IN THE NEW BUILDING.
SO IF YOU SAY HAVE A, A A, A LIVE THEATER, AND IT GETS TURNED INTO A SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, A, A NINE STORY BUILDING OR A LARGE MIXED USE BUILDING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO OFFER THAT THEATER, UH, AFFORDABLE LEASE FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE IN THE NEW BUILDING.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.
WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THIS, UH, THIS IS THE SORT OF INCENTIVE PART OF THIS, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A DENSITY BONUS, IT WOULD ALLOW, IF YOU DO THIS STUFF AS A DEVELOPER, UH, YOU COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE.
YOU COULD BUILD MORE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE INCENTIVE, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE IF YOU COULD GO UP TO BASICALLY AN ADDITIONAL TWO STORIES OR 30 FEET, UH, WITH SOME COMPATIBILITY, UH, MODIFICATION TO MAKE IT EASIER, WE BASICALLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO BUILD UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN RETURN FOR THAT, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE EITHER IN YOUR BUILDING OR YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A, UH, CONTRIBUTE FEES INTO A SYSTEM THAT CAN BE USED TO PRESERVE, LIKE A NEARBY CREATIVE SPACE.
SO YOU CAN EITHER BUILD YOUR BUILDING HIGH AND PUT THE CREATIVE SPACE IN YOUR BUILDING, OR SAY IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A MUSIC VENUE THAT MAY NOT FIT IN, LIKE, UM, A LARGE MIXED USE BUILDING.
AND THEN THOSE FEES CAN BE USED TO HELP PRESERVE THE VENUE NEXT DOOR.
UM, AND WE JUST SORT OF MANAGE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS DONE FAIRLY AND APPROPRIATELY.
UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, WHAT WERE YOU USING FOR OUR AFFORDABILITY STANDARDS ARE 50% OF, UH, RETAIL COMMERCIAL RATES.
SO LIKE 52% OF WHAT THE MARKET IS, IS CHARGING, IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL AFFORDABLE.
UH, YOU COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY DO JUST A STABILIZED LEASE REVENUE RATIO, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE TRICKY.
BUT BASICALLY, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE DOING THIS, IF WE'RE INCENTIVIZING THIS, THE THING WE'RE GETTING IS AFFORDABLE RENT FOR CREATIVE SPACES, FOR MUSIC VENUES AND ART SPACES.
UH, WE, AND THEN YOU'D ALSO, WE'D ALSO INCLUDE A RENT ESCALATION CAP.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE RENTS COULDN'T JUST GO UP, UH, TREMENDOUSLY EVERY YEAR AND THEN HAVE, HAVE A MINIMUM, UH, TERM FOR COMPLYING WITH THIS, UH, OF 10 YEARS.
SO THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY TO KEEP, THAT'S SIMILAR TO, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OTHER DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS. SO WE WERE ENCOURAGED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF STICK TO THAT, BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TRACTABLE IN TERMS OF MONITORING AND COMPLIANCE.
SO, LIKE I SAID, RIVER'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT SINCE WE'RE DOING THIS THROUGH A DENSITY BONUS.
UH, BECAUSE DENSITY BONUS FRAMEWORKS ALLOW US A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR ENCOURAGING THINGS WE WANT AND PRESERVING THINGS WE WANT.
UM, THE TRICK TO THIS IS THAT RED RIVER IS IN AN AREA THAT'S COVERED BY THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS ALREADY.
SO WE CAN'T LIKE, ADD ONTO THAT DENSITY BONUS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SUPER BIG DENSITY BONUS.
UH, YOU CAN BUILD, I MEAN, YOU CAN BATCH SCRAPERS WITH IT, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DENSITY TO ADD THROUGH THAT.
WHAT WE WOULD DO INSTEAD IS ADD IS SORT OF, UH, INITIATE, UH, A SUBDISTRICT IN THAT, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, OF THE DENSITY BONUS THAT HAPPENS THERE, AT LEAST HALF OF IT WOULD GO TOWARDS MUSIC VENUES.
UM, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE CATCH.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALSO WORK OUT ONCE IT'S INITIATED, WE CAN, UM, KIND OF, UH, DEAL WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS.
AND I SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL CONSTRAINTS OR CON OR, OR CONSIDERATIONS THERE.
A LOT OF THAT AREA IS UNDER CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR, SO THAT MAKES THE SORT OF WORK WITH DENSITY BONUS CHALLENGING.
BUT THAT'S SORT OF BASICALLY WHAT WE CAN DO.
UH, IN TERMS OF A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, ANYTHING STRONGER WOULD REALLY REQUIRE MUCH MORE EXPLICIT COUNSEL DIRECTION ABOUT LIKE REGULATING USES.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT'S HOW COUNCIL WENT, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY, UH, UH, WE CERTAINLY TRY AND IMPLEMENT WHAT THEY DIRECTED, BUT SO FAR WE'VE REALLY JUST BEEN DIRECTED TO EXPLORE THESE KIND OF DENSITY BONUSES AND INCENTIVES, UH, MORE THAN MIGHT KIND OF HARD, UH, CAPS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING AT THE MOMENT, AND THAT'S THE GENERAL OVERVIEW.
AND, AND AGAIN, I'M APOLO I'M SORRY THAT THIS IS VERY MUCH ZONING BASED, SO IT'S VERY, IT CAN BE VERY WONKY, SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, REALLY THE ULTIMATE GOAL HERE IS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT NOT IN LIKE A LOT SORT OF WAY, JUST, JUST JUST A, JUST A WAY THAT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE, UM, AFFORDABLE CO UH, AFFORDABLE, UH, CREATIVE SPACE AND VENUE SPACE,
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UH, FOR THE LONG TERM USING OUR DENSITY BONUS TOOLS.UH, UH, COUPLE, TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, THE, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THESE ARE, ARE GUIDELINES THAT, THAT YOU'RE, THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS, IS, IS CREATING ITSELF AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE PUTTING THESE GUIDELINES IN WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, UH, UH, CITY CODE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THIS KINDA LIKE A, LIKE A MIXING OF, OF, OF DIFFERENT POLICIES AND, AND THINGS, AND WE'RE MAKING THINGS UP, NOT MAKING THINGS UP, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WRITING GUIDELINES, BUT ALSO USING, UM, CITY LAW TO DO THAT? IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY CORRECT.
WE'RE WORKING WITH CITY LAW TO, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF REALIZE THESE DIRECTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
I KNOW, UH, A LOT THE SPECIFIC FEATURES OR ONES THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM STAKEHOLDERS, ESPECIALLY RED RIVER, THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN CREATIVE DISTRICTS, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF THOSE FROM DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS OVER THE YEARS, AND THEY'VE BEEN EXPRESSED IN SOME OF THOSE COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS.
UH, BUT YEAH, WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH LIKE THE CITY POLICIES.
WE HAVE TO, TO TRY AND IMPLEMENT THAT.
AND THE MAIN ONE IS KIND OF THE, THE DENSITY BONUS FRAMEWORK AND THE, THE KIND OF, UH, THE ZONING DISTRICT FRAMEWORK WE'VE GOT.
AND, AND, AND SO WITH THE DENSITY BONUS, IT, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SOME, LIKE IF THERE'S PROFIT OR SOMETHING, IT ACTUALLY GOES TO PRESERVING, UM, LIKE A VENUE THAT'S THAT'S IN RRCD OR DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S PROFIT.
IT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY A DENSITY BONUS WORKS IS IN RETURN FOR PROVIDING SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY, UH, DEVELOPERS ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD THEIR BUILDING A LITTLE HIGHER.
THAT'S SORT OF THE GIVE GET, AND IN THIS CASE, IN, IN RETURN FOR PROVIDING AFFORDABLE CREATIVE SPACE, DEVELOPER COULD BUILD AN EXTRA TWO STORIES THAT IN ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE GIVE GET ON THAT.
AND WHAT THEY COULD DO INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN THEIR OWN BUILDING IS DO KIND OF AN EQUIVALENT FEE THAT WOULD SORT OF BE THE EQUIVALENT OF PUTTING IT IN THEIR BUILDING AND JUST TAKE THAT FEE COULD BE PUT INTO, UH, A FUND TO JUST SUPPORT PRESERVATION OF VENUES BASICALLY NEXT DOOR OR IN THE SAME DISTRICT.
SO HERE, HERE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD, UM, ADD, UH, FREE PARKING FOR MUSICIANS AND ARTISTS IN, INTO SOME OF THIS PROVISION? CAN WE TUCK THAT IN SOMEWHERE? WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT, AND YOU, AND, AND Y CAN DEFINITELY ADD THAT TO THE RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH OF A ZONING THING, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING POLICY-WISE, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO.
AND, AND ENCOURAGE TO BE IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
NUMBER TWO, COULD WE ALSO ADD A PROVISION TO WHERE IF IT'S A MUSIC VENUE WITHIN THIS SPACE THAT THEY HAVE TO, UH, THAT THE VENUE WOULD HAVE TO PAY A CITY RATE OF $200 PER MUSICIAN PER HOUR? IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT? SURE.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.
THAT'S NOT REALLY THE SORT OF THING.
SO WE'VE ASKED LAW ABOUT THIS, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN NORMALLY DO IN TERMS OF ZONING, UH, RELATED.
SO WE COULD DO THAT WITH OTHER TYPES OF PROGRAMS. WE CAN DO THAT WITH KIND OF FINANCE PROGRAMS. WE CAN DO THAT WITH LIKE THE, THE, THE CITY'S LIVE MUSIC FUNDING.
SONY'S A LITTLE TRICKIER BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SORT OF REGULATING IT DIFFERENTLY.
AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN CONTROL, LIKE BASIC, WE CAN'T REALLY USE SONY TO CONTROL THE PRICE, THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S PAID TO, UM, AN ENTITY OR SOMETHING TO PARTICIPANTS OR
OR WE CAN DO THAT WITH OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE GOT, AND INCLUDING ONE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING NOW FOR, UM, UH, THAT'S FIN MORE KIND OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVE BASED.
HOW WOULD IT WORK? HOW WOULD WHICH WORK? HOW WOULD WE'D GET A PREVAILING WAGE FROM MUSICIANS IN THAT SOUNDS LIKE A OTHER MEETING YOU ASK HIM BACK FOR THAT.
YEAH, I'D BE, I'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK I NEXT MONTH AND TALK ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL INCENTIVE PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND IT'S ALSO MOVING FORWARD, UH, AT A SIMILAR, SIMILAR PACE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND, UH, FOR THE QUESTIONS.
UH, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GOULD.
OH, AND THEN I'LL GET YOU COMMISSIONER GOULD, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
WELL, I JUST, THE WORDING ON HERE IS APPROVE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO IS THIS A, A, IS THIS ONE THAT ALREADY EXISTED OR HAS, HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY A DIFFERENT COMMISSION THAT WE'RE ALSO, I THINK WE WOULD BE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, UH, THIS
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COMMISSION IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF US.THIS IS, THIS IS OUR RECOMME, IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO DRAFT, YEAH.
BUT WE COULD PUT IN THE RECOMMENDATION LIKE FREE PARKING FOR CREATIVES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND ADD THAT TO THE RECOMMENDATION POSSIBLY.
IS THAT RIGHT? WE, WE DEFINITELY COULD, CAN.
UH, I THINK ONCE AGAIN, WE, WE SHOULD EXPLORE THE VIABILITY BEFORE WE PUT SOMETHING IN.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS, WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION SUGGESTION HERE.
IS LET'S ACTUALLY LOOK AT CAN THAT REALLY HAPPEN IN THE REAL WORLD? IS THAT LEGALLY ALLOWED? UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO THAT BEFORE WE ADD IT TO A RECOMMENDATION SO IT DOESN'T STOP THEN THE REST OF THE RECOMMENDATION WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE BECAUSE OF THIS ONE ISSUE OR A SECOND ISSUE AROUND MUSICIAN PAY.
SO IF THAT IS THE, IF WE WANT, IF WE EVEN WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY, UH, THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED, UM, LOOKS LIKE BY STAFF, UM, MAYBE WE CAN EVEN DO THIS IN TWO PARTS, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE, AS WE LOOK INTO THE VIABILITY FIRST BEFORE MAKING, ADDING THOSE ON.
I'M INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THE VIABILITY OF IT.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER CARVALHO, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT THE ZONING PART OF THAT WHOLE THING.
UM, I WAS LOOKING AT, I WAS LOOKING AT IT THE OTHER DAY ACTUALLY, AND IT WAS THE, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT DOING IT FOR MYSPACE AND CHANGING FROM A COCKTAIL LOUNGE AREA TO THE NOW NEW MUSIC VENUE ZONING IS REALLY BENEFICIAL, I THINK.
AND IT'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED IS THAT, UM, WITH THE PARKING RESTRICTIONS TAKEN AWAY TO MUSIC VENUES AND COCKTAIL LOUNGES, IT ALLOWS US TO RAISE THE CAPACITY FOR THE ROOMS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED TO PARKING.
BUT THE A DA SPOTS DIDN'T CHANGE.
SO NOW IF YOU GO FROM A 300 PERSON ROOM, AND SINCE THE PARKING VARIATION, LIKE THE PARKING RESTRICTION'S GONE, YOU MAY HAVE A 700 PERSON ROOM NOW, UM, BUT YOU'D STILL NEED X AMOUNT OF A DA SPOTS AND THAT 700, IT BECOMES LIKE AN INSANE AMOUNT OF A DA SPOTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOK LOOKING AT? OR IS IT, OR MAYBE IT HASN'T BEEN CONSIDERED AND IT STAYS THAT WAY.
YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION.
THAT'S NOT ONE THAT I'VE LOOKED INTO WITH THIS ONE AND, AND I HONESTLY HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT THAT ONE YET.
BUT I CAN CHECK INTO THAT AND, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING, AN INTERESTING VIEW.
I WILL, I WILL NOTE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR REZONING FOR THE PERFORMANCE SPACE, I THINK YOU CAN DEFINITELY DO IT IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT, UM, A LICENSED KIND OF, IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOMETHING THAT'S A C**K THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT WAS PERMITTED UNDER AS A COCKTAIL LOUNGE THAT HAS, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A MUSIC VENUE, BUT IT'S GOT THAT KIND OF COCKTAIL LOUNGE ZONING.
I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS TO CHANGE THAT.
UH, IT REALLY LIKE THAT THAT PERFORMANCE VENUE THING WAS REALLY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO OPEN AND PLAY.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO FEW SPACES THAT HAVE THAT ZONING ALREADY, BUT LIKE THE IDEA FOR THAT WAS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PLACES TO GET, UH, PERFORMANCE VENUES AND MUSIC VENUES THAT DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE IT.
AND, AND I JUST MEAN THAT TO BE CLEAR, THAT LIKE THERE'S NO CITY REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A MUSIC VENUE OPERATING THAT, LIKE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT TO OFFICIALLY BE PERFORMANCE VENUE, LIKE LAND USE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE WHERE THAT LIKE WORKS BETTER FOR DIFFERENT INCIDENT PROGRAMS, BUT WE DON'T, THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT.
I THINK IT, UH, YEAH, THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ARGUMENT THERE AND THE EXCITEMENT THERE IS JUST TO BE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'VE MEANT TO OPEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT WAS NEVER A COCKTAIL LOUNGE.
SO IT'S COOL TO HAVE A MUSIC VENUE ZONING NOW THAT, AND IT IDEALLY, IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR YOUR LANDLORD TO KICK YOU OUT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE LIKE, MAN, I'M NOT JUST OUT HERE SELLING ALCOHOLIC, I'M HERE FOR THE ARTS.
YOU KNOW, BUT THE A DA SPOTS QUESTION, IT PUTS IT UP TO LIKE 120 A DA SPOTS AT LIKE A 2,500 PERSON AREA, AND IT'S JUST SEEMS EXCESSIVE.
UM, SOUNDS LIKE, WELL, WOULD YOU MIND EMAILING ME, UM, UH, MY EMAIL SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE, I THINK IN THE, IT'S IN THE INVITE IT'S IN.
UH, YEAH, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT.
I'M, I WASN'T, I'M NOT FAMILIAR, I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THAT KIND OF CAP, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, BUT IF YOU EMAIL ME THAT CASE, I CAN LOOK INTO IT.
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YOU SO MUCH.UM, DONALD, UH, SO, UM, THE FEE IN LIEU, UM, MM-HMM,
BUT IF, IF, IF Y'ALL THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BETTER TO, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, THERE'S NO HARD REQUIREMENT ON THAT.
LIKE THE, THE, THE MODEL FOR THAT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, THE CITY IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE SORT OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE, WITH FEES THAT GO TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
SO YOU, SO DEVELOPERS CAN EITHER PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON SITE, OR IN SOME CASES THEY CAN PAY A FEE.
THE FEE GOES INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND, AND THAT CAN BE USED TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BASICALLY ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
BUT OUR, OUR ASSUMPTION WAS THAT, AND, AND BASICALLY JUST BASED ON FEEDBACK AND HOW WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT FOLKS WERE LOOKING FOR, UM, WAS THAT THERE'D BE A PREFERENCE TO KIND OF FOCUS ON PRESERVING THINGS IN OR NEAR THE SAME DISTRICT.
IF, IF IT WOULD BE BETTER TO OPEN THAT UP TO JUST KIND OF BE BROADER AND SUPPORT, UH, VENUE PRESERVATION ELSEWHERE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
UM, UH, YEAH, BUT THAT WASN'T OUR INITIAL INTENT, BUT HAPPY TO, TO THINK, THINK ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HARDWIRED, UM, FOR THIS, FOR THIS TO WORK.
UH, IT, IT, YEAH, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF KEEPING IT IN AND AROUND THE SAME DISTRICT BECAUSE I MEAN, DOESN'T THAT OTHERWISE JUST GIVE A PRETTY EASY OUT TO I AGREE, JUST PAY THE FEES AND NOT, NOT DO THE VENUE OR ANY, ANY CREATIVE SPACE AT ALL.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, ALONG WITH PRESERVATION, I THINK ONE OF THE CORE IDEAS, IDEAS, UH, IN MY, IN, IN MY MIND SHOULD BE THAT LIVE MUSIC IS PRESERVED IN THIS DISTRICTS IN SOME FORM OR THE OTHER, UH, WHAT EXACT, YOU KNOW, FORM AND SHAPE THAT TAKES, UH, WHO OWNS WHAT VENUES, ALL THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UH, I, I GUESS POLICY AND MARKET WILL DETERMINE, UM, BUT LIVE MUSIC SHOULD BE PRESERVED WITHIN THE DISTRICTS WHERE IT EXISTS TODAY.
AND SO THE IDEA OF USING THE, THE FEE IN LIEU, UM, TO HELP, YOU KNOW, ENTITIES WITHIN THE SAME DISTRICT SEEMS, SEEMS MORE REASONABLE TO THAT, TO THAT END.
THAT WAS OUR, THAT WAS OUR, UM, THAT WAS OUR IMPRESSION AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UH, SO IS, IS IT, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO KIND OF MAKE ANY MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO ANY OF THIS AS, AS YOU LEARN MORE, LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF YOU, UH, IF YOU MADE THE DECISION TO KEEP THAT SUPPORT WITHIN THE, THE SAME OR NEARBY DISTRICT, AND THEN REALIZE THAT MAYBE THERE WERE SOME OTHER UNINTENDED THINGS AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR IT TO GO INTO A POOL THAT COULD BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN NEED-BASED, YOU KNOW, SITUATION.
UH, IS, IS THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THIS ZONING THING, IS IT GONNA BE VERY HARD AND FAST ONCE, ONCE IT'S SET AND DIFFICULT TO CHANGE? OR IS IT SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN UPDATE AS YOU LEARN, UH, AS YOU GO? WELL, SINCE THIS IS JUST A, UH, YEAH, ACTUALLY, SINCE THIS IS JUST A PAPER DISTRICT, IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO CHANGE THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA.
AND I EXPECT WE COULD, UM, MANAGE IT ON TO SOME DEGREE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
BUT I CAN CHECK WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT.
THEY HONESTLY ACTUALLY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T MADE ME REALLY, WELL, I, FOR A SECOND.
I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE TO SPECIFY IN THE CODE ITSELF, UM, THAT LIMITATION, OR IF IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE CAN DO ADMINISTRATIVELY AND IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO ADMINISTRATIVELY, THEN, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALIZE FOR WHATEVER REASONS THAT'S NOT WORKING IN A SITUATION, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK TO SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY.
UM, SO THIS WHOLE, UM, THE IDEA OF HAVING A CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY ON RRCD, UH, AND ALSO THE, UM, THE REST, THE REST OF THE PROPOSALS AND, UM, I'M STILL WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND SOME OF THE DETAILS.
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LIKE, SUSSED THIS OUT? LIKE WITH MAYBE COUNCIL WITH CITY LAW, UH, ON THE VIABILITY, THE FEASIBILITY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND POLICY THAT ARE BEING MADE? OR IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT ONGOING OR HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN DONE, OR IT'S GOING TO BE DONE? WELL, I WOULD SAY IT'S DEFINITELY ONGOING.WE'VE TALKED TO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT IT AND SOME COUNCIL OFFICES ABOUT IT.
WE'VE HEARD THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY QUITE, UM, THEY'RE FAIRLY, THEY SEEM FAIRLY PLEASED WITH THE, WITH THE THRUST OF IT.
UM, AND WE DEFINITELY HAVE, I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY, I I, I DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING FORWARD UNTIL I GOT THE OKAY.
SO THIS HAS ALL BEEN VETTED BY THE LAW DEPARTMENT AND BY MY COLLEAGUES ARE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DON, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR TODAY? I, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION I WAS LOOKING FOR IS THAT IF THE, THE COMMISSION FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH IT, JUST, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, COUNCIL ADOPT, UM, THE CRATER DISTRICT OVERLAY AND INITIATE THE RED RIVER SUBDISTRICT PROCESS IN, UH, JULY.
CAN I MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RECOMMENDATION? DO YOU WANNA SAY THAT OR PLEASE? I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RECOMMENDATION IF WE HAVE A MOTION, WHICH IS WORDED AS TO CREATE A COM, A CREATIVE COMBINING DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT BONUS PROGRAM TO ENHANCE THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION OF LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND CREATIVE SECTOR BUSINESSES, AND TO INITIATE A SPECIFIC RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT SUBDISTRICT PERIOD.
DOES THAT SOUND, UH, GOOD THE WAY WE HAVE IT.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER, GO.
UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FROM, UH, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DAVILA.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE, UM, VIABILITY ASSESSMENT OF PARKING FROM MUSICIANS AND CREATIVES? UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO INSTRUCT US TO EXPLORE THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS AN AMENDMENT, PLEASE.
UH, COULD WE, COULD WE JUST, UH, STATE THAT? YES.
DO I NEED TO, 'CAUSE I MADE THE MOTION.
YOU COULD, UH, YOU COULD, WE HAVE NOT TAKEN A VOTE ON THIS, RIGHT? WE COULD JUST ADD IT TO THE, JUST RESTATE THE, RESTATE THE MOTION.
UM, APPROVE RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE A CREATIVE TO CREATE A CREATIVE COMBINING DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT BONUS PROGRAM TO ENHANCE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION OF LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND CREATIVE SECTOR BUSINESSES, AND INITIATE A SPECIFIC RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT, SUBDISTRICT, UM, AND ALSO FREE PARKING FOR CREATIVES.
EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF FREE PARKING FOR CREATIVES FOLLOWING UPDATE BY DONALD JACKSON ECONOMIC DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S NOT PART DEPARTMENT, NOT THAT PART.
DO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM US.
I'LL STILL TAKE THE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER COLE.
RIGHT? UH, WE HAVE A SECOND, UM,
THE, UM, I'M, I'M, I THINK I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE IDEA OF A SUB-DISTRICT ON MM-HMM.
IT WOULD, WELL, IT WOULD INITIATE
BUT BASICALLY IT WOULD, UH, IT WOULD CREATE A PART OF THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS THAT'S BASED ON THE CULTURAL, THE CREATIVE DISTRICT OVERLAY.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO ADD THAT AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, THAT WE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE A CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT FOR RRCD? THAT, THAT IT DOESN'T, WELL, SORRY, GO ON.
WELL, SO, SO THE SUBDISTRICT WOULD BE, WOULD BE FUNCTIONALLY THAT IF, IF Y'ALL WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THERE'S AN ADDITIONALLY A CREATIVE, A, A CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY ON TOP OF RED RIVER, THAT'S LIKE NOT JUST A DENSITY BONUS, BUT ALSO, UH, JUST RESTRICTS
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USES, UH, AND REQUIRES LIKE CREATIVE USES OR VENUES.THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE, Y'ALL CAN RECOMMEND THAT, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THIS ONE.
I, I MEAN, I CAN SAY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD REALLY HAVE TO TELL, WOULD HAVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
I'M UN I'M UNCLEAR HOW, UH, CAN YOU JUST LIKE, VERY BRIEFLY TELL US WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE BETWEEN WHAT, WHAT WE STATED ORIGINALLY AND YEAH.
AND WHAT YOUR SUGGESTION IS? 'CAUSE THEY SOUND THEY SOUND THE SAME TO ME.
SO THE TRICK, SO I THINK THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS, UH, THE, THE, THE THING WHERE THAT I SORT OF BROUGHT AND PRESENTED BOTH, BOTH VERSIONS ARE, ARE FUNCTIONALLY, THEY'RE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS. SO THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE FUNCTIONALLY LIKE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, JUST REGULATION BASED.
SO IN BOTH CONTEXTS WE'RE, WE'RE NOT MAKING PROPERTY OWNERS DO CERTAIN THINGS TO THEIR PROPERTY.
WE'RE GIVING THEM AN INCENTIVE TO DO IT.
WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO IT IN A RETURN FOR THEIR DOING IT, UH, AFFORDABLE SPACE, PRESERVING VENUES, ET CETERA.
IN RETURN FOR DOING THAT, WE'LL GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO BUILD LARGER BUILDINGS AND MAKE MORE MONEY.
UM, IF THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN I THINK WE CAN LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THERE'S ALSO THE, YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT WE, WE, WE CAN'T, THAT STAFF CAN'T PROMOTE IS A, A BASICALLY A SECOND, LIKE A LARGER STEP, WHICH IS SAYING, UH, WITHOUT GIVING EXTRA INCENTIVE NECESSARILY, UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA REQUIRE, UM, A PORTION OF, OF RED RIVER SITES TO BE CREATIVE SPACES OR VENUES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS CITY LEGALLY CAN DO.
SO IT'S A LOT MORE KIND OF CONTROVERSIAL.
UM, AND, AND COUNCIL WOULD REALLY, COUNCIL REALLY HAS TO DO IT.
UM, THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A DIFFERENT ASK OR LIKE ANOTHER ASK ON TOP OF THAT.
UM, SO, SO THE, SO THE THING THAT I BROUGHT IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, TWO DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM THAT REWARD, UM, DEVELOPERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS FOR DOING THE THING WE WANT THEM TO DO.
IF THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING, THEN THAT'S, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
IF YOU ALSO WANT TO REQUIRE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO IT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET A A BONUS, THAT WOULD BE A FURTHER STEP.
UM, WHICH ALL ARE IN YOUR RIGHTS TO DO.
UH, STAFF CAN'T, AS, AS STAFF, WE CAN'T REALLY PUSH THAT.
SO, SO IT'S LIKE AN INCENTIVE AND THEY GET A LITTLE KICKBACK, OR WE JUST MAKE THEM, OR WE ASK, WE WE MAKE, LET'S MAKE 'EM
UM, UH, OR YOU COULD JUST RECOMMEND THE, THE BONUS IT'S MAKING TWO, I'M SORRY.
I, IT'S GETTING LATE IN THE EVENING AND, AND I NEED FOOD.
BUT, UM, AS WE ALL DO, I'M SURE, BUT I, YES.
CAN WE, CAN WE I WOULD BE IN FAVOR, FAVOR QUESTION OF THE ONE THAT WAS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
ALLOWS US TO JUST REQUIRE IT WITHOUT GIVING INCENTIVES TO THESE ENORMOUS DEVELOPING COMPANIES THAT I DON'T THINK THEY NEED.
IF WE, IF WE COULD DO IT WITHOUT OFFERING THAT, THEN THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PERSONALLY BE IN FAVOR OF.
UM, IF I MAY, UM, IF I'M SORRY.
UM, THIS IS THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS A LOT OF DETAIL AND, AND VERY NUANCED STUFF FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY, I GUESS.
BUT, UM, I THINK SO, SO DONALD, HELP US UNDERSTAND IS IF WE DO, IF WE, IF WE GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU HAVE HERE THAT WOULD, THAT THAT YOU HAD REQUESTED AND, UM, WITH, WITH THE OVERLAY THAT, THAT COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND HAD ASKED FOR AROUND PARKING, BUT ALSO ADDING THAT THE CULTURAL OVERLAY BE, BE A PART OF, UH, UH, SPECIFIC TO THE RED RIVER DISTRICT, UH, BE A PART OF THIS RECOMMENDATION.
UM, IS THERE ANY, UH, IS THERE ANY CONTRADICTIONS THERE? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS IF WE, IF WE RECOMMEND IT, ALL OF THIS IN ITS ENTIRETY THAT WE GO WITH WHAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, PLUS HAVE THE CULTURAL DISTRICT OVER A, SPECIFICALLY FOR RRCD, ARE THERE ANY CONTRADICTIONS IN THERE? THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY CONTRADICTION.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD RECOMMEND ALL OF THAT.
IT WOULD JUST BE, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD, I, I MIGHT RECOMMEND MAYBE REC GOING WITH THE RECOMMENDATION WE BROUGHT TODAY AND, AND, AND HAVING SOME MORE DISCUSSION AND MAYBE WE COULD TALK AGAIN NEXT MONTH ABOUT THE, THE STRONGER LIKE REQUIREMENT OVERLAY.
I MEAN, THAT DOES CREATE THAT, THAT IS A COMPLICATED THING.
IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, UM, IF YOU'RE AWARE OF
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KIND OF SITUATIONS WHEN, SAY, UH, FOLKS TRY AND GET A PROPERTY TO BE, TO GET HISTORIC ZONING, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT THE HISTORIC ZONING, THAT'S KIND OF THE THING YOU'RE, YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT.UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, WE CAN, WE CAN INCENTIVIZE THINGS VERY, UH, VERY CLEARLY.
THINGS GET A LOT DIFFERENT IF WE JUST START TRYING TO MAKE THEM DO IT.
COULD YOU PLEASE ADVISE ON, UM, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, IS MIGHT, IF ANYTHING IS, UH, ACTIVELY BEING DISCUSSED AROUND THIS, UH, WITHIN COUNCIL AT THIS POINT? UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF.
COUNCIL IS ACTIVELY DISCUSSING, TRYING TO DO A MANDATORY OVERLAY, UH, ON THE DISTRICT.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THEY'VE, UM, THE COUNCIL OFFICERS HAVE, HAVE, UH, SUGGESTED TO US.
UH, WE'VE REALLY ONLY BEEN FOCUSED ON THIS, THIS DENSITY BONUS FRAMEWORK.
THAT IS SOMETHING THEY COULD DO.
BUT THAT'S, BUT LIKE, LIKE I SAID, AS STAFF, WE CAN'T REALLY, WE HAVE TO KIND OF STICK TO THE INCENTIVES AND EXISTING TOOLS AND PROGRAMS AND THAT KIND OF, THAT KIND OF MODEL OF THINGS.
UM, COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY HAS THREE ABILITIES ON, ON THAT KIND OF ON, ON, UH, REGULATIONS AND PROGRAMS. SO, MAY I, MAY I, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE KIND OF WANNA DO IS DOUBLE DOWN
WE DON'T WANNA SAY LIKE, HEY, THIS IS GOOD, BUT WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO DO THESE OTHER THINGS TOO.
WE KIND OF WANNA DOUBLE DOWN AND SAY, THIS IS ACTUALLY REALLY WHAT WE WANT.
AND IT TOOK FOR THE MANDATORY WITH THE RED RIVER DISTRICT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, I I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS TO SEE IF WE CAN DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE REALLY WANT FOR THAT DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY TO OUR CITY.
UM, YEAH, I, I'M PERSONALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, A BIT HESITANT TO COMPLICATE IT TOO MUCH.
WE, WE GOT ANOTHER LAYER WITH THE FREE PARKING, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO GONNA EXTEND, WE ARE ALSO GONNA LOOK AT THE MUSICIAN FACING THING LATER ON, UH, FOR VIABILITY.
RIGHT? SO, UM, UH, I WOULD, YEAH, LET'S, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO STATE THAT THE COMBINATION OF THE THREE, THE EXISTING RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH THE, UM, THE CULTURAL DISTRICT OVER SPECIFIC TO OUR CITY, AND THEN, UH, THE, THE PARKING GO FOR IT.
DON, WOULD YOU PLEASE WORD FOR US
I WOULD, UM, A WAY YOU COULD PHRASE THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY STICK WITH WHAT THE, WHAT YOU ALREADY HAD PHRASED THE, THE, THE RESOLUTION, THE MOTION YOU ALREADY HAD.
AND JUST ADD A SENTENCE THERE.
UM, THAT SAYS WHAT YOU WOULD ALSO LIKE COUNSEL TO DO.
UM, SO WHAT YOU COULD, I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY, UM, UH, WE ALSO INCUR, I, I I, I NOT, I MAY NOT BE IN THE RIGHT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN, IT'S OKAY IF THING, THE THING THE THING YOU'D BE ASKING COUNSEL FOR IS A RESTRICTIVE OVERLAY.
TO THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT TO BE DESIGNATED AS A AS, YEAH.
AS A, AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT, ESSENTIALLY.
YOU, THE THING YOU'D BE ASKING FOR, WELL, NOT JUST TO BE DESIGNATED AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT.
THE THING YOU'D BE ASKING FOR IS A RESTRICTIVE OVERLAY THAT REQUIRES A PORTION OF GROUND FLOOR USES TO BE CREATIVE SPACE.
AND, AND THAT IS DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE SLIDESHOW IN TERMS OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING THAT, THAT'S NOT THE OPTION THAT STAFF CAN RECOMMEND.
BUT YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS TO RECOMMEND.
SO, SO DO DONALD, THAT STILL MAKES IT DIFFERENT FROM, UH, A RESTRICTIVE OLAY FOR THE GROUND FLOOR SPACE.
IS, IS, IS, IS THAT IN ANY WAY, UM, QUALITATIVELY DIFFERENT THOUGH THAN, THAN SAYING THAT HAVE A CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY FOR RRCD, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM TO EXIST TODAY? I, I THINK THE IDEA OF A CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE, SO IT'S A LITTLE AMORPHOUS.
UM, IF, BECAUSE, SO THE RED RIVER, SO THE SUB-DISTRICT TO THE DOWNTOWN THAT WE, THAT I PROPOSED WOULD ALSO, THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE CREATIVE COMBINING DISTRICT, THE DENSITY BONUS DISTRICT.
THAT'S AN OVERLAY THAT IS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD AS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY.
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LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO FUNCTIONALLY BE.UM, IF, IF YOU, IF, IF, IF THE GOAL IS TO ALSO HAVE SOMETHING FOR RED RIVER SPECIFICALLY THAT, THAT REQUIRES, UH, WITHOUT INCENTIVE, UH, OR OR EXCUSE ME, REQUIRES WITHOUT, WITHOUT DENSITY BONUS, UM, THAT A PORTION OF THE, OF THE SITE BE MUSIC VENUES, UM, THAT'S, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE JUST A DIFFERENT KIND OF OVERLAY.
THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT KIND OF, THEY'D BOTH BE OVERLAYS.
THEY JUST BE DIFFERENT KINDS OF OVERLAYS.
SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO SPECIFY THAT YOU ALSO WANT THAT.
NO, BUT I MEAN, BUT, BUT, UM, THOUGHTS AROUND, UM, THOUGHTS AROUND WHAT DONALD'S SAYING AROUND POTENTIALLY HAVING A RESTRICTIVE OVERLAY FOR THE GROUND FLOWS TO HAVE MUSIC VENUES OR CREATIVE SPACES VERSUS, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, REQUEST ASKING FOR A, A A, A CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY FOR A DRIVEN CULTURAL DISTRICT.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THAT I'M MISSING? I THINK THAT WAS IT, DONALD.
I JUST, YEAH, JUST, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL ARE ASKING, SO I WILL, I WILL BE SURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT, IF IT PASSES, ASSUMING IT PASSES, I'LL BE SURE AND RELAY THAT.
AND THE REASON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE RED RIVER CULTURE DISTRICT IS BECAUSE IT'S A DISTRICT THAT ALREADY HAS THIS DENSITY.
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT DISTRICT RIGHT NOW.
SCOTT, DO YOU WANNA TRY TO SAY IT, COMMISSIONER GOLD? IF, UH, IF YOU COULD ELABORATE, WELL, WHICH, WHAT ARE YOU IN SUPPORT FOR? UH, THE FULL, THE RESTRICTIVE OVERLAY CHEESEBURGER.
THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE ENCHILADA.
UM, SHALL I TRY TO SAY IT? YEAH, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
I MOTION TO APPROVE A RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE A CREATIVE COMBINING DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT BONUS PROGRAM TO ENHANCE THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION OF LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND CREATIVE SECTOR BUSINESSES, AND TO INITIATE A SPECIFIC RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT, SUBS DISTRICT.
AND ALSO TO ASK COUNCIL TO EXPLORE A RESTRICTIVE OVERLAY, UH, TO THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT THAT REQUIRES A PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR USES TO BE CREATIVE SPACE, AND ALSO, UH, TO EXPLORE.
YOU COULD DO A SECOND LINE, MAYBE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES, UH, EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITY OF A PROVISION FOR FREE PARKING FOR MUSICIANS IN THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, I THINK, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER SENTENCE IN I'M TRYING TO, THE SAME RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I THINK WITH THE CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY, UH, LET ME, THAT'S GOTTA BE A GUINNESS BOOK, WALL RECORDS.
THIS IS A, YEAH, I MEAN, THE, THIS ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO LIKE, HALF THE ZONING THINGS THAT ARE GOING RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU WANT A FUN ONE, READ THE, READ THE ETO, THE OVERLAY.
I THINK IT'S ABOUT TH I THINK IT'S ABOUT 40 PAGES.
I'LL, I'LL GOUGE MY IDOLS OUT FIRST.
I THINK THE CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY FOR RSCD THAT WOULD REQUIRE A RESTRICTIVE OVERLAY FOR SPECIFIC, I THINK DONALD HAVING FUN WATCHING US DO THIS CREATIVE AND LIVE MUSIC.
I NO, NO, THIS, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M, IF I'M NO, NO, NO.
I, NO, I JUST, I I WOULD BE HUMORED IF, IF I WERE YOU, SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST IMAGINING WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S GONNA TELL ME TOMORROW.
WELL, WE CAN SAY THAT WOULD REQUIRE A RESTRICT RESTRICTIVE OVERLAY FOR, UH, LET ME D IT DOWN SPECIFIC USES OF BOTH CREATIVE AND LIVE MUSIC SPACES.
WE SAID, I SAID GROUND FLOOR, BECAUSE THAT WAS, I WAS JUST PARROTING WHAT DAWN HAD SAID, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
IT CAN BE JUST A SPECIFIC PORTION
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OF IT TO BE CREATIVE SPACE IN THE BUILDING.YES, YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YEAH, YOU COULD SAY A PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR, YOU COULD SAY A PORTION OF TOTAL SPACE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE GROUND FLOOR.
I MEAN, I DON'T, AS LONG AS THERE'S SPACE ARCHITECTS YEAH.
WHATEVER MAY YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT RESTRICTED.
AND I WANNA REMIND YOU ALL THAT YOU WILL WRITE A RECOMMENDATION WHERE YOU GET TO ELABORATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET IT ALL HERE.
UM, SO DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TO VOTE ON IT? YES.
WE, LET'S, UM, LET'S RESTATE IT.
IS THAT OKAY IF YOU RESTATE IT ONE MORE TIME? ALRIGHT, GO FOR IT.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? SORRY, TO RECOMMEND TO, WHAT'D YOU SAY? WHAT'D YOU SAY? WE GONNA RESTATE THIS ONE.
MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND TO CREATE, UH, MOTION TO RECOMMEND, UH, TO COUNCIL TO CREATE A CREATIVE COMBINING DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT BONUS PROGRAM TO ENHANCE THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION OF LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND CREATIVE SECTOR BUSINESSES.
AND TO INITIATE A SPECIFIC RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT SUBDISTRICT, ALONG WITH CREATING A CULTURAL DISTRICT OVERLAY FOR RRCD SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD REQUIRE A RESTRICTIVE OVERLAY FOR SPECIFIC USES OF BOTH CREATIVE AND LIVE MUSIC SPACES.
WAS THAT ENTIRE SENTENCE COHESIVE? WE CAN DIAL IT IN MORE.
WE'LL DIAL IT MORE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE NEXT LINE IS AROUND, IF YOU COULD STATE THE, THE ADDITION AROUND FREE PARKING, PLEASE.
IT WOULD BE, UH, UM, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A, A, A PROVISION FOR, UH, FREE PARKING FOR CREATIVES.
WE CAN DIAL IT IN, RIGHT? YES, WE CAN DIAL IT IN.
UM, UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, UH, SHOULD WE JUST SAY WE'LL KEEP THE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER GOULD, UH, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DAVILA AS BEFORE? IS THAT, ARE WE STILL GOOD WITH THAT? CAN WE DO THAT? YOU MO JUST SAY, I MOTION.
UM, THE MOTION'S APPROVED, UH, UH, THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH THOSE MENTAL GYMNASTICS FOR US, UH, AND WITH US.
SO, UH, DONALD, UH, IN PUTTING THIS RECOMMENDATION TOGETHER, I WILL, I'LL, ILL CONSULT WITH YOU, UM OKAY.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND, UM, WORKING WITH US ON THIS, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD THING TO HEAR ON A MONDAY, SO THANK YOU,
THE GOAL WAS TO GET THIS MEETING DONE BY NINE O'CLOCK TODAY, BUT, OKAY.
[10. Select and approve name of music commission live music recording project.]
AND APPROVE NAME OF MUSIC COMMISSION, LIVE MUSIC RECORDING PROJECT.UM, UNLESS EVERYBODY HAS LIKE A REALLY QUICK CHOICE, CAN WE JUST DO A POLL OR SOMETHING AND GET THIS DONE? I LIKE THAT.
OFF THE DAAS US AND WHAT NOW? WHERE'S THAT NUMBER SIX? NUMBER SIX OFF THE DAAS.
ANYBODY ELSE? I REALLY LIKE NO OBJECTIONS, BUT, OKAY.
IT'S ON THE, IT'S, UM, BEING SHARED AS WELL AND SO THESE ARE THE NAMES THAT WE GATHERED WHEN I SENT OUT AN EMAIL.
THESE ARE THE FEW THAT I GOT, SO YEAH, FEEL FREE.
WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT VOTING ON EACH ONE OF THEM.
NO, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST TO BE INSPIRED, SO.
UM, ANYBODY JUST, OKAY, EVERYBODY SHOUT OUT ONE, ONE.
IF YOU SEE SOME, SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, LOVE FOR THE SAME TITLE HERE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
OTHERWISE I'LL SEND A POLL OUT.
WHAT ABOUT ONE WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT ONLINE.
I NOW I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC RECORDING PROJECT TX AT X LIVE RECORDING NEEDS TO BE NEED TO IT'S COMING OUTTA THE COMMISSION.
IT WILL BE RE-AIR AS AN ACTUAL SERIES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE TIME.
WE HAVE TIME AND THE, UM, THE PERFORMANCE PERFORMANCES WILL STILL BE SHOWN, UM, AT MUSIC COMMISSION MEETINGS AND MAYBE THAT I'LL GIVE THAT TO Y'ALL TO BE INSPIRED.
SO AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE THESE PERFORMANCES, UM, I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE TIME.
UM, A TXN HAS SAID THE FALL IS PROBABLY A GOOD TIME WHEN WE WILL ALL PUSH IT OUT, UM, AS PART AS THAT CROSS PROMOTION THAT CAS THE COMMISSIONER CASADA WAS TALKING ABOUT.
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SO DON'T, DON'T WORRY.UM, YEAH, WE'LL, UM, SEND, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS IN ADDITION TO THE 10 THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, PLEASE SEND IT OVER AND, UH, WE'LL JUST DO A POLL.
SHELBY, I'LL WORK WITH YOU TO GET THIS MOVING.
[11. Approve to create recommendation to City of Austin to provide initiatives, policies, marketing materials regarding youth/all ages shows.]
RECOMMENDATION TO CITY OF AUSTIN TO PROVIDE INITIATIVES, POLICIES, MARKETING MATERIALS REGARDING YOUTH ALL ISSUES.COMMISSIONER CASDA, PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY.
I THINK I'M PUNTING, I BELIEVE I'M PUNTING THIS OVER TO, TO COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND.
IS THAT, WELL, YOU, YOU WERE TEASING OUT, RIGHT? YEP.
UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LATE, BUT I MEAN, BASICALLY, UH, IT'S, UH, WE WOULD, WE WE'VE GOT IT.
IT'S, UM, I HATE TO GIVE THE CITY MORE WORK, BUT I, I I THINK IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, UM, MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT DIVISION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, EITHER HAVE A BUDGET OR CREATE A BUDGET TO, TO TO, TO HAVE MORE, UM, BASICALLY SYNERGY PROMOTION AROUND, UM, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT EDUCATIONAL AND, UM, UM, UM, SORRY, ALL THINGS EDUCATIONAL, ALL, ALL SHOWS OF ALL AGES THAT ARE HAPPENING, UM, NOT JUST IN VENUES, BUT UM, COLLECTIVELY, CULTURALLY, HIGH SCHOOLS, UM, DIFFERENT MUSEUMS, DIFFERENT PLACES, AND, UM, FIGURING OUT A WAY TO SHOWCASE THAT BETTER.
AND I'M NOT VERY DOING A VERY GOOD JOB AT, AT EXPLAINING THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF RECOMMEND THE CITY OF AUSTIN PROVIDE INITIATIVES REGARDING YOUTH IN ALL AGES SHOWS PER THE PIE GOALS, UM, PER THE PI GOALS.
UM, SO ALL AGES SHOWS ARE INCLUDED IN MARKETING MATERIALS, POLICIES, AND INITIATIVES, RIGHT? YES.
COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT IT ONE MORE TIME? OKAY.
SO HOW ABOUT, UM, RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN PER THE PI GOALS AND INITIATIVES THAT ALL AGES SHOWS ARE INCLUDED IN MARKETING MATERIALS, POLICIES, AND INITIATIVES.
SPELL OUT ANY MORE DETAILS PERIOD YOU WANT IN RECOMMENDATION.
UM, DO WE HAVE A, DID YOU MOTION FOR THAT? SO COMMISSIONER ADA MOTION FROM YOU.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST WE DIAL, LIKE BE MORE SPECIFIC.
UM, I THINK, UM, IF, IF, IF YOU WANNA ADD SPECIFICS, I CAN GET SOME SPECIFICS FROM YOU ALL, UM, BEFORE SENDING THE RECOMMENDATION OUT FOR ME.
YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING MAYBE GONNA VISIT AUSTIN OR SOMETHING.
KIND OF CHANNEL ELECTRICITY RESOURCES.
UH, SO WE GOT A VOTE, RIGHT? EVERYONE WAS IN FAVOR? ALRIGHT.
UH, SO, UH, MOTION'S APPROVED, UH, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS.
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
UM, WE HAVE, UM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES, UH, LIVE MUSIC FUND COLLECTIONS, UPDATE, UPDATE ON THE FY 24 AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND APPLICATION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIVE BY THE NEXT MEETING.UM, WE WANTED TO BRING BACK, UM, A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CITY SUPPORT FOR HOUSING THE CURRENT COLLECTION, UH, AT TEXAS MUSEUM, UH, AFTER UPDATE FROM THE NEWLY FORMED WORKING GROUP.
UM, THAT'S WHEN THE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE, UM, ACTION ITEMS. UM, WHAT ELSE YOU WANNA HAVE DON COME BACK AND TALK TO US ABOUT THE OTHER PROGRAM? THE INCENTIVES? YEAH, THE, UH, DON MENTIONED ANOTHER PROGRAM HE COULD COME AND SPEAK TO PLACES WHERE WE COULD INCLUDE, UM, YEAH, LIKE FAIR PAY INITIATIVES.
YEAH, THE INCENTIVES FOR, UH, ZONING FOR THOSE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR, UH, NEXT MONTH? ITEM SEVEN OF THE, UH, BUDGET RECOMMENDATION, MARKETING, ADVERTISING.
I SAT UNDER THE DISCUSSION ITEMS STILL OR POSSIBLE ACTIONS.
UH, THAT'S GONNA BE, LET'S DO A DISCUSSION.
IS THAT ON ITEM SEVEN? YES SIR.
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SO WE LEAVE THAT UNDER DISCUSSION.UM, WE CAN ADD AGENDA ITEMS, UH, LATER, ALWAYS WITH, UH, WITH A SECOND THEY CAN GET ON THE AGENDA.
SO, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE, ALL THE ABOUT DISCUSSED SECOND LIST FOR FUTURE AGENT ITEMS. SECOND.
UM, I'M MOTIONING IN THE COMMISSIONER STRICKLAND SECOND.
OH, SECOND FROM, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN.
UM, COMMISSIONER CASADA, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU STAFF FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT.
UM, THANK YOU TO SPEAKERS WHO CAME IN TODAY.
WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE TO ADJOURN.