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[00:00:02]

SO I THINK WE HAVE QUORUM.

WHY DON'T WE START THE MEETING.

THIS

[CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

IS THE EUC ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION FOR MAY 13TH, 2024.

UM, LET'S CALL A MEETING TO ORDER.

WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

COMMUNICATION? WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER TONIGHT.

ALLISON SILVERSTEIN.

GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME JOIN YOU FOR A MINUTE.

I'M ALLISON SILVERSTEIN.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE CITY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION, AND I'M PLEASED TO BE JOINING MY COLLEAGUES AT THE EUC FOR A COUPLE MINUTES.

I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THE EUC AND SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON THE RESOURCE PLAN WORKING GROUP.

WE SUBMITTED A REPORT TO YOU ALL AND AUSTIN ENERGY IN MARCH, I THINK.

AND, UM, WE HAVE NOT YET HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU ABOUT, FROM YOUR TECHNICAL STAFF ABOUT HOW YOU THINK OUR REPORT WAS OR ABOUT WHERE YOU ALL WANNA GO WITH YOUR NEXT SET OF RESOURCE PLANS.

UM, WE KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SENT YOU BACK TO DO MORE WORK AND WE, AT LEAST FOR THOSE OF US ON THE RMC AND I SUSPECT MEMBERS OF THE EUC FROM THE WORKING GROUP AS WELL, WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOUR TECHNICAL TEAM, LEARN WHAT IT IS THAT OUR PLANS HAVE POTENTIALLY IN COMMON, AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND WHETHER WE CAN SUPPORT YOU IN THAT, BECAUSE WE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THE PLAN AND WE'D LIKE TO HEAR HOW OUR CONTRIBUTION SIZES UP TO WHERE YOU ARE, WHAT WE HAVE HEARD SO FAR FROM THE PUBLIC PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE IN IN MIND.

UM, DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY ROOM FOR THIS KIND OF TECHNICAL CONVERSATION.

AND SPEAKING PURELY FOR MYSELF, I THINK THIS KIND OF TECHNICAL CONVERSATION WOULD BE THE KIND OF THING WE WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING.

AND, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BE SITTING IN SOME SORT OF BROAD PUBLIC CON, I FORGET WHAT THE WORD IS.

SORRY, I'M HAVING A CHEMO MOMENT.

SO ANYWAY, WE SPEAKING PURELY FOR MYSELF AND FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE RMC AND MANY OTHERS ON THE WORKING GROUP, WE'D APPRECIATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOUR TECHNICAL TEAMS, FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING, WHERE THERE IS POTENTIAL ALIGNMENT BETWEEN OUR PLAN AND YOUR PLAN AND HOW WE CAN HELP YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN THAT MEETS CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND POTENTIALLY EEC APPROVAL AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ALLISON.

ANY COMMENTS? ? THANKS.

THANKS FOR THAT, ALLISON.

I THINK ANU, A NUMBER OF THE MEMBERS ON THE WORKING GROUP HAVE THAT SAME QUESTION, SO I THINK WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION LATER AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT REQUEST.

CORRECT? IS THAT OKAY? THANKS.

OKAY.

THIS, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, OKAY.

UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? ANY I WANTED TO, SORRY.

UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD MAYBE GET ADDED TO THE MINUTES.

UM, I GUESS THE FIRST ONE THAT I, UH, HAD A NOTE ON WAS WE WERE ASKED AS A COMMISSION TO PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS FOR WHO SHOULD BE INVITED TO THE FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE.

UM, WORKSHOPS.

WORKSHOPS.

THANK YOU.

AND WE, A NUMBER OF US DID PROVIDE NAMES OF ORGANIZATIONS AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN OUR MINUTES.

SO, YEAH.

SO DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS? SO YOU'RE SAYING IN THE STAFF BRIEFINGS, MAYBE SAY SOMETHING LIKE, MEMBERS OF THE UC MADE SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS ABOUT ORGANIZATIONS, UH, INCLUDING AND THEN THE LIST AND WE, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT LIKE THERE WAS THE E-U-C-R-M-C-I-I SUGGESTED SUNRISE AUSTIN STUDENTS FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE, PO PODER GABA.

I MAY HAVE SUGGESTED SOMETHING ELSE.

I DON'T REMEMBER REALLY.

IT SHOULD COME FROM THE, FROM THE VIDEO, BUT MAYBE WE COULD JUST, IF PEOPLE REMEMBER WHAT THEY PUT FORWARD, I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN SOME WAY.

WE, WE HAVE DOWN AND WE CAN WE HAVE THEM NOTED.

YEAH.

SO I CAN ADD THOSE TO THE MINUTES.

OKAY, THANKS.

YEAH, NO PROBLEM.

APPRECIATE IT.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS

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IN REGARDS TO ONE OF THE RCAS, WHAT WAS IT NUMBER? THERE WAS AN RCA THAT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT AND THERE WAS SOME FOLLOW UP, BUT, UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE THAT REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES THAT THERE WAS, UM, THAT I ASKED FOR THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THE MAINTENANCE EXPENDITURE BY UNIT AND THE STAFF AGREED THAT THAT COULD BE PROVIDED.

SO MAYBE AFTER.

YES.

RIGHT.

SO YEAH, AND, AND I REPLIED TO THE EMAIL, UM, BUT I'M JUST WANTING TO REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES.

SO I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT TYPICALLY WE ONLY CAN, UM, REFLECT ACTION MINUTES.

SO WE DO PROVIDE THE FOLLOW UP THAT IS REQUESTED, UM, BUT WE DON'T PROVIDE THE, UM, THE FOLLOW UP ITEMS IN THE MINUTES AS THERE IN ACTION MINUTES.

SO, BUT IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO SAY SOMETHING, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE AFTER THAT SAY SOMETHING LIKE, COMMISSIONER WHITE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE BREAKDOWN OF, OF COSTS OR JUST SORT OF WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED? IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE? THAT'S NOT, UM, HOW THE CITY CLERK, UM, REQUESTS THAT THE MINUTES BE DONE.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

THEN JUST THE ONE ADDITION OF THE LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS REVISION OR DISCUSSION? I'LL MOVE, MOVE ADOPTION AS AMENDED.

OKAY.

SECOND.

SECOND.

OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ONLINE.

AYE.

OKAY.

UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, LET'S

[Items 2 & 4 - 8]

LOOK AT ACTION ITEMS TWO THROUGH 10.

ANY OF THEM WANT TO BE PULLED? NUMBER SIX, PLEASE.

SIX.

IT'S ON TREE MAINTENANCE.

TREE MAINTENANCE.

ANY OTHERS BESIDES SIX? WASN'T THERE ONE ON A POTENTIAL STUDY? SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE FINDING THE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON THE RESOURCE PLAN? OH YEAH, NUMBER EIGHT.

ARE WE GONNA DISCUSS NUMBER 11 OR YEAH, WE WILL.

OKAY.

I, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON NUMBER THREE, BUT IT'S JUST CLARIFYING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT THAT AS TO PULL IT SO WE CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS OR IF I SHOULD JUST ASK HIM THAT OR ONCE WE HAVE LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A CONSENT AGENDA OR SOMETHING.

YEAH.

UM, I TELL YOU WHAT, WE'VE GOT A TIME CONSTRAINT ON LINDA RIFE'S TIME.

I THINK SHE'S ONLY AVAILABLE TILL SIX 30.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAY TO EXPEDITE, UH, THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR THE NON-DISCUSSION.

GET A CONSENT VOTE ON THOSE.

AND YOU TAKE THE QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, ASSUMING THEY'RE, I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION.

OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

SO YOU'RE, YOU HAVE EIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY.

WHY DON'T YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION ON EIGHT, GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY.

UM, MY, MY QUESTION IS THIS, UM, THIS FIRM THAT YOU'RE GONNA HIRE TO LOOK AT, UH, A MARKET POTENTIAL FOR I ASSUME ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND DEMAND RESPONSE TYPE PRODUCTS, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO, UM, LOOK AT SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE WORKING GROUP? AND IN OTHER WORDS, WE, OUR OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS TO, TO WORK ON MAYBE ON LOOK AT THE METRICS IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY THAN HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS THIRD PARTY, IF THE THIRD PARTY HAS THE ABILITY TO KINDA, UM, YOU KNOW, THINK A LITTLE OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT METRICS OR DIFFERENT WAYS TO MEASURE THE TYPE OF SAVINGS.

IN OTHER WORDS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE VERY MUCH WANT THEM TO LOOK AT WINTER SAVINGS PROGRAM, WHICH HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE.

ARE THEY GONNA HAVE THAT CAPABILITY WITHIN THIS CONTRACT? TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO PUSH THE, UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

SARAH NORRIS, DIRECTOR OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY SERVICES.

UM, THE DNV CONTRACT, UH, PROVISIONAL SCOPE, WHICH WE'LL FINALIZE AFTER WE'VE FINALIZED OUR, AFTER WE'VE BEEN APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT, INCLUDES A 10 YEAR OUTLOOK OF TECHNICAL, ECONOMIC AND ACHIEVABLE PROGRAM POTENTIAL FOR ALL OF THE CES PROGRAMS, INCLUDING ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND DEMAND RESPONSE, BUT ALSO SOLAR AND,

[00:10:01]

AND ELECTRIFICATION MORE BROADLY.

UM, IT INCLUDES A CONSIDERATION FOR BASELINING OUR PROGRAMS TO DATE ON A GREENHOUSE GAS BASIS SO THAT THEN WHEN WE ARE COMING TOGETHER TO EVALUATE WHAT A NEW FRAMEWORK FOR GOALS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WE CAN HAVE A SORT OF APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON OF MEGAWATTS VERSUS GREENHOUSE GASES AS, AS A MEANS OF KIND OF DETERMINING WHAT THE MOST EFFECTIVE PATH FORWARD IS FOR IDENTIFYING, UM, IDEAL GOALS THAT, THAT MEET OUR EXPECTATIONS.

AND IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE WINTER PERFORMING PORTFOLIOS.

SO THEY CAN LOOK AT MEGAWATTS, MEGAWATT HOURS, GREENHOUSE GASES, THEY CAN LOOK AT ALL THAT CORRECT.

PEAK PRODUCTION.

YES.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BROAD ENOUGH FOR THEM TO CONSIDER DIFFERENT METRICS.

YES, WE OKAY.

YEAH.

AND WE'VE THANK YOU.

AND WE'VE INCLUDED THAT IN OUR PROVISIONAL SCOPE.

WE HAVE A SPECIFIC CALL OUT FOR A 10 YEAR OUTLOOK FOR THE TECHNICAL ECONOMIC AND ACHIEVABLE BOTH MAXIMUM AND REALISTIC PROGRAM ANALYSIS SPECIFICALLY FOR WINTER DSM MEASURES AND PROGRAMS. SO WE'VE SPECIFICALLY CALLED THAT OUT.

WE DID BASE OUR PROVISIONAL SCOPE ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE WORKING GROUP.

SO I DID WANNA SHARE THAT WITH YOU GUYS.

GREAT.

NOT THE SPECIFIC NUMERICAL RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT OF THEM.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I'M, UM, YOU'RE DONE? YEAH, I'M DONE.

OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE GO BACKWARDS NOW? A SIX KIBA, YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SIX? YEAH.

WELL, UM, MIKE, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UM, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS, UH, THIS CONTRACT PER SE.

UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE THE ABILITY WITHIN IT TO TRACK PERFORMANCE.

AND BY THAT I JUST MEAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, ANY COMPLAINTS OR PROBLEMS THAT ARISE WITH ONE VENDOR VERSUS ANOTHER.

WELL, IS THERE, IS THIS SYSTEM GONNA BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT KIND OF THING? ELTON RICHARD, VICE PRESIDENT FIELD OPERATION, THERE WE GO.

ELTON RICHARD, VICE PRESIDENT FIELD OPERATIONS, UH, ESCALATIONS AND COMPLAINTS ARE TRACKED THROUGH OUR ESCALATION PROCESS.

THIS IS SPECIFICALLY ON THE PLANNING OF THE VEGETATION MANAGEMENT AND ENHANCEMENTS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MORE LICENSE FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO USE, AND THEN ALSO PLANNING ADJUSTMENTS IN THERE FOR OAK, OAK WILT OR BIRD HABITAT.

BUT ESCALATIONS ARE TRACKED THROUGH THE ESCALATION PROCESS ITSELF.

OKAY.

UM, SO I GUESS IN TERMS OF PLANNING, DOES LIKE, DOES THAT INCLUDE, DOES AUSTIN ENERGY FROM A, YOU KNOW, TOP DOWN SORT OF LEVEL DETERMINE LIKE WHAT TYPE OF SERVICE IS APPROPRIATE FOR A DIFFERENT LOCATION? IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE SHOULD A PERSON GO IN ON FOOT AND LIKE TRIM A CERTAIN TREE? OR SHOULD THEY LIKE CLEAR THE WAVE FOR A TRUCK TO COME IN? HOW DOES THAT GET DETERMINED? YEAH, SO WE USE DAVY TREE SERVICES NOT ONLY AS A VEGETATION UH, COMPANY TO DO THE VEGETATION TRIMMING.

WE ALL ALSO USE THEM FOR OUR PLANNING CYCLE.

AND WHAT DAVEY DOES IS THEY WILL GO OUT, WALK THE CIRCUIT DOWN, WHICH WOULD BE THE, THE EXTENSION CORD FROM THE SUBSTATION TO THE END OF IT.

AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ANNOTATE WHAT TYPE OF TREES ARE THERE, HOW FAR THEY'RE OVERGROWN, ANY VINES WITHIN THERE, WHETHER IT'S BACKYARD AND SPECIFICALLY FOR LIKE THE BALCONES, WE WORK WITH BALCONES GROUP IF, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO DO AN ACCESS TO GO IN TO TRIM THAT AREA.

SO YES, THEY, THEY DO LOOK AT THE TYPE OF INGRESS, EGRESS AND WHAT LACKS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THE TRIMMING.

OKAY.

ARE YOU PLANNING TO STICK AROUND FOR THIS MEETING OR NO? NO.

ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL JUST, UM, I GUESS SHARE RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, THERE'S AN, UH, A SMALL KIND OF PRESERVE AREA THAT IS OFF OF GROVE, WHICH COMES FROM EAST RIVERSIDE AND IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET AND THERE'S LIKE A TRAIL, I DON'T KNOW, NOT A SUPER LONG ONE, MAYBE A MILE OR SOMETHING LOOP.

IT'S REAL PRETTY.

UM, BUT SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY WENT IN THERE RECENTLY TO DO WHAT LOOKED LIKE SOME PRETTY MINOR TRIMMING, BUT THEY CLEARLY DROVE A BIG TRUCK IN AND JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE TORE IT UP.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT LIKE, HOW Y'ALL ARE TRACKING, LIKE HOW THIS IS GOING ABOUT.

'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL NEED TO DO TREE TRIMMING, BUT, UM, WHEN IT'S DESTRUCTIVE ON, ESPECIALLY UNNECESSARILY, SO I THINK IT, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN ENGENDER SOME NEGATIVE SENTIMENT, SO MAYBE WE CAN CATCH UP ANOTHER TIME'S.

IT'S A TOUCHY SUBJECT TO BEGIN WITH.

YES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A 26,000 POUND TRUCK IN, UH, TO DO IT, IT'S, IT'S USUALLY ABOUT A 15 FOOT PATH AND IT'S USUALLY CLEAR TRIMMED, WHICH MEANS IT GOES FROM SKY TO GROUND.

YEAH.

SO IT'S VERY OBVIOUS WHERE THE EQUIPMENT GOES IN.

AND THEN USUALLY AROUND THE VEGETATION AND THE POLES, IT'S ALSO TRIMMED THERE.

SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE'VE GOT, AND WE HAD THE SAME THING WITH COMBS,

[00:15:02]

SINCE SOME OF THESE HAVEN'T BEEN TRIMMED IN 16 YEARS OR OVERGROWN FOR 16 YEARS, WHEN IT IS TRIMMED TO STANDARD, IT'S LIKE, HOLY CRAP, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT WAS LIKE, WOW, THIS LOOKED GOOD AND NOW IT'S 15 FEET BACK AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH MAN.

YEAH.

SO YEAH, SHOOT ME THE ADDRESS OFFLINE AND WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL CHECK INTO IT.

UH, I'LL EVEN MEET YOU OUT THERE IF YOU WANT TO, AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH IT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT, MA'AM, THAT I'LL BE MOVE ON TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? NO.

OKAY.

THANKS GUYS.

RAUL, YOU HAD A QUESTION ON NUMBER THREE.

WAS THERE A QUESTION ON THREE? YEAH, I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THREE AND 10, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST PULL 'EM SO THAT WE CAN GET TO MS. RICE AND HER ITEM I AND WE CAN VOTE ON THE CONSENT IF NEEDED.

I THINK I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH IT ALL, ALL THE QUESTIONS, IF POSSIBLE TO NOT, I THINK WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA TIME.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME.

THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, MAYBE I SHOULD JUST PULL THREE AND 10 THAT WAY, , BUT I CAN ASK MY QUESTIONS.

TWO.

UM, OKAY, WELL, AND RANDY HAS A QUESTION ON NINE TOO.

SO WHY DON'T WE VOTE ON 2, 4, 5, 7.

YOU CAN PUT SIX IN THERE AND 6, 7, 8.

OKAY, SO VOTE ON 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 AND EIGHT.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.

SECOND.

I SECOND.

GOT THAT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OKAY, GOT THOSE.

AND WE'LL HOLD THE REST FOR AFTER OUR DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

SO LET'S MOVE

[15. Staff briefing and process update on the Resource, Generation, and Climate Protection Plan by Lisa Martin, Deputy General Manager and Chief Operating Officer and Lynda Rife, President of Rifeline.]

TO LINDA RIFE'S DISCUSSION.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

LISA MARTIN, DEPUTY GENERAL MANAGER AND CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER.

I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE LINDA RIF, UM, WHO WILL BE HERE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN, UH, ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS.

LINDA, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TURN MY CAMERA ON.

I'VE TRIED AND IT DIDN'T LET ME, SO I'LL JUST TALK AND HOPEFULLY , I'M, I'M HERE, I APOLOGIZE.

I'M OUT, UH, OF THE STATE RIGHT NOW.

JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS, UM, THE RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN UPDATE.

UM, WE ARE, UM, WAS HIRED AS A, TO SERVE AS A THIRD PARTY, UM, TO CREATE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF AUSTIN ENERGY'S MISSION IN DELIVERING CLEAN, AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE ENERGY AND EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE.

ENSURE THAT AUSTIN ENERGY HEARS FROM A DIVERSE VOICES WHOSE VALUES ARE REFLECTED IN THE MISSION OF RELIABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY, AND AFFORDABILITY, CREATE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF ENERGY OPTIONS AND TECHNOLOGY.

AND THEN ITS SUBSEQUENT COST AND BENEFITS.

THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THE, THE DISCUSSION, I THINK, WILL TAKE PLACE AND THEN DEVELOP AN INFORMED CONSENT PROCESS.

WE DID TALK THIS OVER WITH THE COUNCIL, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UM, AND HEARD THAT THEY DID LIKE HEARING, UM, BRINGING IN SOME OTHER VOICES.

IF I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS, UM, TO HOLD A SERIES OF STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOPS WITH INVITATIONS TO ORGANIZATIONS.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION OR THE AUSTIN ENERGY UTILITY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ISN'T A BIG PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION WILL BE HAD WITH YOU AS WELL.

UH, IN ADDITION, AUSTIN ENERGY IS A MEMBER OF THAT WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL ANYTHING THAT THEY MIGHT NEED.

SO THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT WHO WE'RE INVITING.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED BASED ON INPUT FROM YOU VERSUS THE COUNCIL.

UM, AND WE ARE STARTING TO INVITE PEOPLE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE TO SEVEN REPRESENTING ORGANIZATIONS REPRESENTING SUSTAINABILITY.

THOSE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES, UH, CLEAN ENERGY PRACTITIONERS, ET CETERA.

UH, WE HAVE FIVE TO SEVEN, UH, REPRESENTING RELIABILITY, HOSPITALS, NURSING HOMES, MANUFACTURING, GROCERY STORES, FIVE TO SEVEN REPRESENTING AFFORDABILITY, HOUSING ADVOCATES, NONPROFITS, SMALL BUSINESS, AND THEN FIVE TO SEVEN REPRESENTING DEMOGRAPHICS AND GEOGRAPHIES, STUDENTS, SENIOR CITIZENS AND IMPACTED COMMUNITIES.

MEETINGS WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A QUESTION HAD COME UP BEFORE.

UM, THE, UH, IF WE LOOK THROUGH THE AGENDAS, I KNOW I'M GOING PRETTY QUICKLY HERE, BUT IT'S HARD TO SEE YOU AND LOOK AT THE, UM, THE POWERPOINT.

BUT OUR FIRST WORKSHOP WILL

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BE ALL JUNE, UH, SEVENTH, FROM 1130 TO ONE 30.

THAT'S A FRIDAY.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST REALLY GONNA BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED.

ELECTRICITY 1 0 1 COST AND ENERGY'S MISSION AND DEFINITIONS, THOSE SHARED VALUES, JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AND THEN THE IDEA OF BUILDING A GENERATION PLAN.

IN JULY, WE'RE HOLDING LIKE A WORKSHOP A MONTH IN JULY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT AND FUTURE STATE RISK INTOLERANCES, ENERGY AND TECHNOLOGY OPTIONS, AUGUST WORKSHOPS AND VALUE MEASUREMENTS AND GOAL SETTING FRAMEWORKS, AND SOME BALANCING OF PRIORITIES.

AND THEN KIND OF THE SEPTEMBER WILL BE A COMBINATION OF LOOKING BACK THROUGH ALL THE THINGS THAT WE, UM, HAD BEEN PULLING TOGETHER AS WE'VE GONE ALONG.

UM, THESE WORKSHOPS ARE GONNA BE HELPED OUT ENORMOUSLY BY, UM, MICHAEL WEAVER, WHO I'VE HEARD GREAT THINGS ABOUT IN THE PROCESS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE MODELING CONSULTANT FIRM THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.

SO, UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE REALLY WANTED US TO TRY TO FINISH UP BY YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, I THINK THAT WILL BE VERY HARD, BUT WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO STILL TRY TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER HERE BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

UM, SO WITH THAT, I GUESS, OR THAT THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY HAS, UH, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UH, WHERE, WHERE IS THE JUNE 1ST? WHERE IS THE WORK JUNE WORKSHOP? UM, THE FIRST WORKSHOP IS GONNA BE HERE AT THERE WHERE YOU ARE.

SHE, UM, IN AUSTIN ENERGY, WE ARE PLANNING, WE ARE OPENING THIS UP TO SOME OF THE NONPROFITS THAT HAVE LARGER SPACES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HOST THEM AT THEIR SPACE AS WELL.

UM, BUT THIS FIRST ONE IS THERE AT AUSTIN ENERGY, WHERE YOU ALL ARE.

OKAY.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, HOW OF, OF THE GROUP YOU HAD THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF GROUPS THAT, UH, YEP.

ARE THEY GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING AT EVERY WORKSHOP OR, UH, OTHER WORDS? YEAH, AT EVERY, AT EVERY WORKSHOP SO YOU CAN HEAR FROM THE DIFFERENT VOICES BASED ON THE DIFFERENT INFORMATION.

IF WE GO BACK A SLIDE, UM, AND LOOK AT THAT, SO, RIGHT.

YEAH, THE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE INDIVIDUALS FOR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM PUBLIC CITIZEN AND SIERRA CLUB.

UM, THEY'RE ON OUR LIST FOR SURE.

AND WE WOULD ASK, UM, THEIR MEMBER TO PARTICIPATE IN FOUR MEETINGS, TWO HOURS EACH FOR APPROXIMATELY ONCE A MONTH.

I, I SEE.

SO, SO THERE WILL BE CONTINUITY AMONG THE GROUP.

AND, UH, UH, ONCE YOU FINALIZE, ONCE YOU FINALIZE, UH, THE VARIOUS GROUPS, WOULD YOU, UH, WOULD YOU MIND SENDING US, UH, ABSOLUTELY.

INFORMATION, INFORMATION WHO THE PARTICIPANTS ARE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GET PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO, TO COME AND SPEND, YOU KNOW, EIGHT HOURS OR SO WITH US.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO MAKE THOSE ASKS OR STARTING TO REACH OUT THIS WEEK TO THOSE GROUPS.

BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HEAR FROM ANYBODY.

LOOK FORWARD TO THAT INFORMATION.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANOTHER QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

IS WE, WE MAY WELL HAVE MORE THAN FIVE EUC MEMBERS THAT WANT TO SIT IN.

SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? IS IT, SINCE IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YEAH.

UM, THE EUC, IT, THE, IT'S BASICALLY THE EUC MEMBERS THAT ARE LIKE THE SIERRA CLUB.

LIKE I KNOW THERE'S ONE AND PUBLIC CITIZEN IS ONE.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S, UT MIGHT BE SOMETHING IF THEY, IF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WANT THAT PERSON TO BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, THEN THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO BE THERE.

OTHERWISE WE'RE OPEN, JUST LIKE THESE MEETINGS ARE OPEN.

BUT WE WOULD LIKE THE PARTICIPANTS TO BE THOSE REPRESENTING THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.

SO WELCOME TO LISTEN.

UM, AND AUSTIN ENERGY, LIKE I SAID, WILL BE ONE OF THOSE ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN THESE MEETINGS.

UM, BUT WE WERE ASSUMING THAT THE MEMBERS WOULD BE LISTENING UNLESS THEY'RE, UH, PICKED BY ONE OF THEIR ORGANIZATIONS.

YEAH.

LET ME CLARIFY, AMY, IS THERE ANY ISSUE IF WE HAVE SIX COMMISSIONERS THERE WITH OPEN MEETINGS? OH, SORRY.

UH, UH YES.

UM, WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO POST IT AS A MEETING WHERE NO BUSINESS OF THE EUC WOULD BE TAKING PLACE.

AND IF THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, WE WOULD ASK IF, UM, WE'LL ASK FOR, UH, AN ATTENDANCE WILL ASK WHO'S GONNA BE GOING SO WE KNOW WE HAVE TO PO UH, POST IT OR NOT.

SO JUST IN CASE, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT THEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK, YEAH.

YEAH.

WE'LL WORK WITH YOU GUYS.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TIME OF THE MEETING ON JUNE 7TH? 1130 TO ONE 30 AND WE WILL SERVE LUNCH.

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UH, WILL THESE MEETING, WE'RE ALSO GONNA HOPEFULLY, UM, PROVIDE SOME INCENTIVES FOR THOSE NONPROFITS TO HELP US, BUT THAT ISN'T TOTALLY WORKED OUT YET.

UH, WILL, WILL THESE MEETINGS BE FILM, BE FILMED OR OTHERWISE RECORDED? I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ALL THAT THROUGH.

UM, LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

I DO WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING WHATEVER STATEMENTS THAT THEY WANT.

I CAN I GET BACK WITH YOU ON AN ANSWER ON THAT ONE.

CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY.

THANKS, LINDA.

UM, I, I APPRECIATE THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS HURRIED OR SOMETHING MAYBE TO, YOU KNOW, DO THIS FASTER THAN A MEETING A MONTH.

BUT THIS BODY DID ASK THAT WE BE ABLE TO TAKE UP THE RESOURCE PLAN AT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN TELL, WE MEET NEAR THE START OF THE MONTH.

SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONDENSE THIS A LITTLE BIT TO GET YOUR WORK DONE BY THE, YOU KNOW, BY THE END OF AUGUST SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, STILL HAVE ON THE TABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO DO OUR BUSINESS HERE AT THE EUC AT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING.

YEAH, I, I GET THAT.

HERE'S, HERE'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.

I MEAN, I CAN HOLD MEETINGS, BUT THE PROCESS WOULD HAVE TO BE, THEY'RE BRINGING IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AND I THINK YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT MICHAEL WEBER AND WHAT HE COULD BRING, AND THEN ALSO THIS OTHER GROUP THAT CAN LOOK AT SOME TRADE OFFS AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

SO WE HAVE TO, TO GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO DO THEIR WORK AND SOME TIME TO RESPOND BACK TO WHATEVER WE HEAR AT THESE MEETINGS.

I WILL TRY TO CONTINUE TO CONDENSE THIS.

MAYBE WE CAN GO FASTER THAN THIS, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, NOT PROVIDE YOU MISINFORMATION, UH, BY ANY, BY ANY MEANS, THINKING THAT IT COULD GO FASTER.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE CAN TRY, BUT THIS IS KIND OF OUR BEST GUESS OF WHERE THIS WORK'S GOING.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF AUSTIN ENERGY OR ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO POP IN, 'CAUSE I'M NOT THE ONE WHO'S HIRING THESE PEOPLE FOR SURE.

OR KNOW THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY WANT.

IT'S JUST HOW I'VE HEARD THINGS.

THANKS.

IT LOOKS LIKE LISA'S GONNA, YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANKS, LINDA.

NO, YOU GOT IT RIGHT ON THE, UM, NOTE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WORK STREAMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASSIMILATE AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS FEED INTO EACH OTHER.

SO THE RFPS, THE THIRD PARTY ANALYTICS FIRM, AND, UM, DR. WEBER, UH, AND WEBER ENERGY GROUP'S RESEARCH, AND THEN ALSO, UM, UH, LIFELINE AND THEN JUST THE CONSULTING WITH ALL THE OTHER PARTIES THAT WE NEED TO COORDINATE WITH.

SO WE'RE GONNA DO OUR VERY BEST.

I WILL SAY THAT AS WE LINE IT OUT, WE STILL THINK WE CAN GET, WE WE'RE, CAN GET TO THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, UM, AND, UM, HAVE TIME FOR Y'ALL TO REVIEW AND VOTE, YOU KNOW, IN TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS.

SO I, I THINK WE'RE, UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH A, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TIMELINE, TRYING TO SEE HOW IT ALL LINES OUT DOING OUR VERY BEST.

UM, BUT YOU MAY BE REVIEWING THIS IN OCTOBER, SO THEN WE WOULDN'T GET TO POTENTIALLY VOTE ON SOMETHING UNTIL NOVEMBER.

LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY PUTTING THE SQUEEZE ON COUNCIL.

LIKE I DON'T THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A FULL EFFORT TO GET THIS TO COUNCIL THIS YEAR.

LIKE, RESPECTFULLY, I JUST, THINGS TAKE LONGER THAN THAT TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.

WE, WE, OUR INTENTION IS TO ALSO BRING COUNCIL ALONG ALL ALONG THE WAY.

SO, AND WE DO THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME TO, UM, DO ALL OF THE ABOVE.

SO IF WE CAN GET IT TO, TO, UH, EUC IN SEPTEMBER, WE WILL.

UH, I JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE THAT, UH, PROMISE.

AND BECAUSE AGAIN, NUMBER OF OTHER SWIM LANES WE HAVE TO COORDINATE IN AT THE SAME TIME, I MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I, I ACTUALLY HAVE QUESTIONS MORE FOR LISA, SO I DON'T, UH, IF YOU HAVE, IS THAT OKAY.

SO, UM, COULD YOU, SO YOU'VE GOT THE THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS, UH, THE ONE WITH THE FACILITATOR, BUT THEN THE OTHER TWO, DO YOU HAVE ANY WRITEUP OF EXACTLY WHAT, UH, WHAT THE WEBER GROUP AND THE THIRD PARTY ANALYTICS, WHAT THEY'RE BEING, OR, OR COULD YOU AT LEAST DESCRIBE WHAT THEY'RE BEING BROUGHT IN FOR? UM, I GUESS MY REAL QUESTION IS, YOU MENTIONED SOME MODELING.

ARE THEY GOING TO USE THE SAME YOU PLAN THAT WE WOULD USE OR WHAT? I'M, I'M NOT EXACT.

I'M NOT VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING AND WHAT SERVICES.

YEAH, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, UM, EARLIER TODAY.

SO WE'RE WORKING, WORKING ON PULLING TOGETHER KIND OF A SHORT SUMMARY OF WHAT EACH PARTY'S ROLE WILL BE, BUT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL I CAN, I CAN DESCRIBE, UM, SO THIRD PARTY MODELING WILL BE USING PROBABILISTIC SCENARIOS AND MODELING.

UM, WE CAN CAN, UH, PAIR THAT WITH THE COST PRODUCTION MODELING.

THAT IS YOU PLAN TO, UM, THEN SEE WHERE THE TWO MODELS AGREE AND

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WHERE THEY DISAGREE, MAKE SURE WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE REASONINGS BEHIND ALL OF THAT.

EACH MODELING TEMPLATE WILL HAVE ITS OWN STRENGTHS.

AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON DOCUMENTING THAT AS WELL AS WE WORK WITH, UH, A THIRD PARTY FIRM TO DRAFT THE FULL SCOPE OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE THE ANALYSIS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, INCLUDING SCENARIOS THAT INVOLVE THE UC WORKING GROUP'S PROPOSAL.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL OF THOSE POINTS TOGETHER.

UM, SO, UH, AND THEN IN TERMS OF WEBER ENERGY GROUP, UM, THAT IS, UH, IS GONNA FEED INTO SOME OF THE, UM, THE WORKSHOPS THAT, UM, LIFELINE IS CONDUCTING.

UM, AND SO THEY'LL TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT AND THE FUTURE STATE OF, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY, UM, AND ERCOT, UH, LOAD GROWTH, UH, OPTIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, ENERGY AND TECHNOLOGY OPTIONS IN VARIOUS COMPONENTS THERE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE SHORT TERM SCOPE TO HELP FEED INTO, UM, SOME OF THESE MEETINGS, THE DESIGN WORKSHOPS, AND THEN ALSO HELPING TO INFORM, UM, THE, UM, U UH, THE A UOC UTILITY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.

OKAY, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

SO THERE'LL BE SOME SORT OF A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS WHAT YOU SAID YES RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, AND THEN YOU HEARD THE COMMENT, I, I BELIEVE YOU HEARD THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, YOU HEARD THE COMMENT EARLIER FROM ALLISON.

IS THERE EITHER AS PART OF THIS WORKSHOP OR, OR SEPARATELY SOME SORT OF SPACE TO, TO EITHER RESPOND TO THE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS OR HAVE SUCH A MEETING AND WHEN WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TAKE PLACE? SO I THINK THAT THE, UM, EUC WORKING GROUP'S RECOMMENDATIONS WILL COME INTO PLAY IN A NUMBER OF PLACES.

SO YOU HEARD FROM SARAH NORRIS EARLIER TODAY SAYING THAT THAT HELPED INFORM THE SCOPE FOR THE, UH, CONTRACT ON DEMAND SIDE MANAGEMENT MARKET POTENTIAL.

I THINK IT'S ALSO GOING TO INFORM THE SCENARIO MODELING AND THE, THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO INTO, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THAT THE, THE, UH, THIRD PARTY ANALYTICS FIRM WILL INCLUDE.

UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE, UM, USE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS TO HELP, UM, DISCUSS SOME OF THOSE ITEMS AS WELL.

SO I DO THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO PUT A FINE POINT ON IT.

UM, AND AS WE, UH, GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS, WE'LL WE'LL CIRCLE WITH CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO SEE IF THAT WILL, WE'LL WORK FOR THE TEAM AS A WHOLE.

MM-HMM, .

SO I GUESS ASIDE FROM THE TIME TIMELINE, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I I HOPE Y'ALL REALLY ARE GOING TO, TO LOOK AT HOW YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE IT, WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD JUST BE BY PUSHING THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO A THREE WEEK INSTEAD OF LIKE A MONTHLY SCHEDULE.

UM, I THINK WHAT I HEARD AT OUR MARCH MEETING WAS THE, YOU ALL WANTED TO RESET, TRY TO ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, HOW WE CAN, UM, ADDRESS THEM AND MEET AND MEET ALL THE OBJECTIVES, UM, OF AUSTIN ENERGY IN THE COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO PROBLEM SOLVE FROM THERE.

AND THAT SOUNDED REALLY GOOD.

AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS BAD, BUT I GUESS I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT PERPLEXED AS TO WHY MORE OF THE EUC, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST UP TO OUR, YOU KNOW, MAX OF FIVE.

UM, AND THE RMC WOULD NOT BE INTEGRATED MORE FULLY INTO THIS PROCESS IF THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOW INTENDED TO BE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A, A MORE LIMITED VERSION OF A RESOURCE PLANNING WORKING GROUP.

LIKE, I, I JUST, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE, WHY IS THERE THIS DIVIDING AND I'M NOT REALLY EVEN SPEAKING FOR MY, LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE PROBABLY I'LL HAVE AN INVITATION TO BE AT THE TABLE EITHER WAY, BUT, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO LIKE COLLECTIVELY DO OUR WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN GET ON THE SAME PAGE, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IN THESE MEETINGS, THE MORE EFFECTIVE WE CAN BE THEN AT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION HERE THAT MEETS Y'S NEEDS AND EVERYBODY'S NEEDS.

SO I JUST, YEAH, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE THAT I THINK WHETHER IT'S JUST YOU COULD HAVE SEPARATE MEETINGS WITH, I GUESS THE EUC AND RMC OR INTEGRATE HERE, I HOPE THAT ONE OF THOSE CAN HAPPEN SO WE DON'T JUST END UP, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMETHING COME TO THE EUC THAT OR THE RMC THAT LIKE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF CRAFTING YOU WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE, CAN WE BRING MORE PEOPLE ALONG INTO THIS THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO LIKE

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GET ON BOARD AT THE END.

LINDA, ARE YOU STILL ON? YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M HERE.

UM, I GUESS A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT YOU AND, AND SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM BOTH THE EUC AND THE RMC THAT COULD, COULD COME ON THROUGH ORGANIZATIONS.

UM, I JUST HEARD THAT WE KIND OF HIT A WALL ON SOME DIFFERENT THINGS AND WAS TRYING TO HEAR FROM SOME MORE VOICES THAT WERE MORE DIVERSE.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN WAS ABOUT.

I ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT, UM, AND IT PARTICULARLY ONE OF YOUR, UM, MEETINGS, I THINK JUNE, UM, WHERE WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME TALKING THROUGH YOUR GROUP IN PARTICULAR WITH ALL OF THAT.

SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S DUPLICATIVE BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALL ARE SO AHEAD OF WHERE ANYBODY ELSE MIGHT BE.

UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO HEAR HOW TO, HOW TO PUT SOME CLOSURE TO THIS, BUT ALSO BRING SOME, A LITTLE MORE VOICES TO THE WAY AND, AND PUT IT IN A PLACE WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME JUST GOOD CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE CAN KEEP LOOKING AT THAT, UM, AND SEEING IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO COME ABOUT DOING THAT.

UM, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ON IT TO TALK TO SOME ORGANIZATIONS AND TELL US, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WANNA BE ON IT.

I JUST WOULD RATHER IT BE ORGANIZATIONS THAN JUST INDIVIDUALS.

YOU KNOW, I PUT SO AND SO ON HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THEY, THEY CARE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, BUT IT'S BETTER, I THINK TO HAVE A, A REAL REASON FOR THAT, UM, THAN JUST CARING ABOUT IT.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE REPRESENTING SOMETHING IN THAT PROCESS.

YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND I GUESS I'M JUST SAYING LIKE LITERALLY THE EUC AND RMC ARE THE BODIES.

THEY, THEY ARE ORGANIZATIONS OF THE CITY APPOINTED BY COUNCIL TO ADVISE ON EXACTLY THIS TOPIC.

SO, UM, I THINK YOU'RE, YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RECREATING SOMETHING THAT, THAT EXISTS.

AND IT'S NOT TO SAY DON'T BRING IN THE NEW VOICES.

AGAIN, LIKE I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY WALL HIT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE EVER EVEN EVALUATED, WE NEVER EVEN SAT DOWN AND DISCUSSED WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED BY THE, THE WORKING GROUP.

BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE WORKING GROUP, LIKE THIS BODY SHOULD BE INVOLVED AND SO SHOULD THE RMC, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY ARE THE APPOINTED ORGANIZATIONS.

LIKE WE ARE NOT REPRESENTING OURSELVES LIKE WE ARE EACH REPRESENTING A COUNCIL DISTRICT ON BEHALF OF A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THESE TOPICS.

WELL, LET ME LOOK AT IT SOME MORE, BUT I, I DEFINITELY FEEL COMFORTABLE WHERE THE EUC IS INVOLVED AND WHAT, HOW THAT IS GONNA WORK ON THE RMC.

THAT'S PROBABLY MURKIER.

'CAUSE I REALLY DON'T, I'LL BE REAL HONEST, I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DO AND HOW IT WORKS.

I'M NEW TO ALL THIS AS I CONFESSED LAST MONTH.

SO LET ME TALK BACK WITH, UH, WITH THE LEADERSHIP THERE.

UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU.

CAN I JUST, UH, I DUNNO IF IT'S A REQUEST OR, UM, BUT, UH, I MEAN, PERSONALLY I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I PREPARE MYSELF TO VOTE ON A RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN.

AND I WAS STARTING TO KIND OF GET ORIENTED WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE DRAFT PLAN FROM THE WORK GROUP.

BUT NOW I'M LIKE, WELL, DO I HAVE TO WAIT NOT TILL AUGUST TO START FIGURING OUT SORT OF WHAT THE MAKEUP OF THAT PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT, HOW WE'RE BALANCING ALL THE FACTORS.

AND I DON'T WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE THEN AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR, THE END OF THE PROCESS.

SO, UM, I'M WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR, IN TERMS OF THE EUC MEMBERS TO FLESH OUT THEIR QUESTIONS TO STAFF, MAYBE USING THE WORK GROUP PLAN AS A MODEL, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS IN THAT PLAN, BUT I ALSO HAD QUESTIONS OF THOSE QUESTIONS WOULD BE THE SAME QUESTIONS I'LL BE ASKING IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER ABOUT WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THIS PROCESS.

BUT I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME VALUE IN THE EEC LOOKING AT THE WORK PLAN AND DISCUSSING IT, THE WORK GROUP RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN RECOMMENDATION AS A WAY OF FLESHING OUT THE ISSUES AND THE QUESTIONS.

'CAUSE THEY'RE VERY COMPLEX AND OVERLAPPING AND I THINK IF WE WAIT TILL AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, I'M AFRAID I'M NOT GONNA GET ALL MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND BE ABLE TO ADVISE MY COUNCIL MEMBER OR THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

RIGHT.

SO I'M WONDERING IF USING THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, FROM THE WORK GROUP MIGHT AT LEAST HELP TO FLESH OUT SOME QUESTIONS THAT THE EUC MEMBERS HAVE BECAUSE IT'S JUST, FOR ME, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT I'M GONNA

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ASK FROM WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THIS PROCESS THAT'S OUTLINED HERE.

SO, UH, SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT AS AN IDEA IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MIGHT USE THE EUC TO FLESH OUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND QUESTIONS BECAUSE WAITING THREE OR FOUR MONTHS BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, I THINK IS, IS NOT GONNA BE USEFUL.

AND IF YOU GET 10 QUESTIONS FROM RAUL AND 10 QUESTIONS FROM OTHER, YOU KNOW, EACH OTHER MEMBER, RIGHT? THOSE ARE NEVER GONNA GET ANS ANSWERED IN TIME, RIGHT? FOR A VOTE AND A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

THAT'S JUST ME KIND OF LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND KNOWING THAT I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE GONNA WANNA A LOT OF SUPPORTING INFORMATION.

UM, SO THAT'S JUST AN IDEA IS THAT IF WE SPENT ONE OF THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS REALLY JUST DIVING INTO THAT RE WORK GROUP PLAN, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD HELP FLESH OUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT'LL COME UP ABOUT WHATEVER AGAIN, YOU KNOW, EMERGES FROM THIS PROCESS THAT SIDELINE ON THIS SLIDE.

SO THAT'S JUST ME AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET READY FOR A VOTE AND IF I'M NOT READY FOR A VOTE, I'M JUST GONNA ABSTAIN.

SO IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT, UH, MEANINGFUL, UH, INPUT, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME AND A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT GONNA, UNTIL MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, I'M NOT GONNA WANNA VOTE.

SO I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR Y'ALL TO KNOW MY QUESTIONS NOW AND NOT WAIT TILL SEPTEMBER FOR Y'ALL TO GET MY QUESTIONS.

THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY.

COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ, THIS IS LISA MARTIN.

I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE POINTS YOU RAISED SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE, UH, UH, COMING BACK TO THE EUC, YOU KNOW, IN FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.

AND THAT BEING THE FIRST TIME WE ANTICIPATE TOUCHPOINT EVERY MEETING ALONG THE WAY TO CONSULT WITH YOU, TO ENGAGE WITH YOU, TO WORK WITH YOU, AND TO UPDATE THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T AT THE WORKSHOPS TO WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST ONE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE, UM, PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT YOU'LL BE FULLY PREPARED.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DO SOME DEEP DIVE INTO, UH, EUC ENGAGEMENT DURING THE JUNE, UH, 10TH EUC AND, UM, WITH A FOCUS ON, UH, COMPONENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE WORK, UH, EUC WORKING GROUP'S RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, SO JUST IF WE COULD KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT ON SO THAT I CAN GO BACK TO THE PLAN AND SOME OF THE SUPPORTING INFORMATION AND JUST HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS DEVELOPED.

'CAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME WHEN I SEE A VERY, VERY LENGTHY AND COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, ISSUE LAID OUT FOR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE MY QUESTIONS, UM, FORMULATED ALREADY.

BUT IF WE KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA PRESENT ON AND THAT'LL HELP ME LOOK FOR OKAY, SECTIONS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE WORK GROUP, AND THEN I'LL KNOW HOW TO FOCUS MY IN ON MY ATTENTION AND BE PREPARED FOR THAT CONVERSATION.

NOTED.

THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

WELL THANK YOU.

LOOK FORWARD TO THIS.

THANK YOU.

SO LET'S

[3. Recommend authorizing of a contract for shoebox style luminaires and poles, with Techline Inc for up to five years for a total contract amount not to exceed $7,705,000.]

CONTINUE ON WITH THE ACTION ITEMS. SO WE HAVE THREE, DID WE GET THROUGH THEN WE HAVE THREE, NINE, AND 10, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? REMAINING.

'CAUSE WE VOTED ON THE REST.

OKAY.

SO COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ, YOUR QUESTION ON NUMBER THREE.

YES, IT'S, UM, YEAH, THIS SEEMS TO RELATE TO KIND OF STRAIGHT LIGHTING AND OUR VENDOR THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE LED PART OF OUR, UH, LIGHTING NETWORK.

UM, SO, AND IN THE BACKUP IT STATES THAT IT'S FOR REPLACEMENT, RIGHT? OF FIXTURES OR BULBS, RIGHT? THAT, THAT NEED REPLACEMENT, BUT ALSO NEW INSTALLATION.

UM, SO ONE QUESTION WAS WHAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING USUALLY SPENT ON? IS IT NEW INSTALLATION OR REPLACEMENT RIDE REPAIRS? AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF AN OBSERVATION THAT THE BACKUP SAYS THAT THE CURRENT BUDGET HAS LIKE 500,000, UH, FOR THIS PURPOSE, BUT THIS FIVE YEAR CONTRACT IS FOR SEVEN PLUS MILLION, RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN 500,000 A YEAR.

IT'S MORE LIKE A MILLION PLUS PER YEAR.

SO KIND OF WHY IS IT THAT, OBVIOUSLY

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THAT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO INCREASE THE BUDGET, BUT WHY IS THERE THAT, UH, UM, UH, I'LL SAY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, DISCONNECT.

RIGHT? WHY IS THE CONTRACT FOR HALF A MILLION, BUT WE'RE APPROVING A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT.

THAT'S FOR ABOUT A MILLION A YEAR.

ALL RIGHT.

LISA MARTIN, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF YOUR FIRST QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THIS IS FOR NEW LIGHTING FIXTURES AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS FOR MAINTENANCE, I'LL HAVE TO, UM, CONSULT WITH, UH, ELTON RICHARDS AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL BACK TO YOU.

SO, UH, ROBIN, IF YOU COULD HELP ME, THANK YOU.

UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BUDGET, SO, UH, THIS IS AN OPERATING EXPENSE, SO WE ONLY DO THOSE ONE YEAR AT A TIME.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IF THIS CONTRACT COMES INTO PLAY IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IT SHOULD, RIGHT? THEN HOW MUCH DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR? AND THAT'S THE, UH, JUST OVER HALF A MILLION.

AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO PUT IN, UH, ADDITIONAL BUDGET IN FUTURE YEARS, UM, IF THIS CONTRACT, WHICH COULD GO UP TO FIVE YEARS FOR A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT.

SO IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE CONTRACT IS PULLED TOGETHER, UM, AND BUILT OVER TIME AND WE ONLY, UH, USE THE MONEY IF WE NEED IT, USE THE CONTRACT AUTHORITY IF WE NEED IT.

SURE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I NEEDED.

THANK YOU.

I, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT.

SURE.

UM, IT, IT IS RELATED, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY TO THIS, BUT, UM, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR STREETLIGHTS ARE ALREADY LED VERSUS HOW MANY ARE NOT YET? I, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD EITHER.

OKAY.

SO, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN FIND IT OUT.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, DOES THIS, UM, DOES THIS COMPANY OR VENDOR HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO BE SMART WITH STREETLIGHTS IN TERMS OF, I KNOW I'VE SEEN SOME PILOTS IN SOME CITIES WHERE THEY, THEY TURN OFF SOME IF THEY DON'T DETECT MOVEMENT OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT FOR DARK SKY BIRDS, OTHER TYPES OF, OF ANIMALS AND THINGS, UM, LIKE THAT.

DO, DO WE HAVE ANY PROGRAMS LIKE THAT? YES.

IN OUR STREET LIGHTS, THIS CONTRACT IS REALLY FOR THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE METAL THAT MAKES UP A, A, UH, STREETLIGHT.

BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME PROGRAMS ABOUT THAT, UH, THAT HELP US DETECT ONE OF THE, THE MOST, UM, INNOVATIVE IS THAT IT, IT LETS US KNOW WHEN THE LIGHT GOES OUT, RIGHT? SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ROLL A TRUCK WALK DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR LIGHTS OUT OR WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO CALL IN.

UM, SO THERE ARE SMART FEATURES BUILT IN TO SOME, A NUMBER OF THE STREET LIGHTS.

YES.

OKAY.

THANKS.

MM-HMM.

, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THREE? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION? SECOND.

SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OKAY, WE GOOD? THAT? AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU.

UH, NUMBER NINE,

[9. Recommend authorizing negotiation and execution of a contract for a public records database subscription with LexisNexis Risk Solutions FL Inc. d/b/a LexisNexis Risk Solutions, for up to five years for a total contract amount not to exceed $500,000.]

COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, YOU HAD QUESTIONS.

JERRY GALVAN, VICE PRESIDENT CUSTOMER CARE SERVICES.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, AND UNDERSTAND, UH, CERTAINLY WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR SERVICE, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

UH, BUT MOREOVER, HOW IS THIS INFORMATION USED IN TERMS OF DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT, UH, A DEPOSIT IS REQUIRED FOR NEW SERVICE? EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU.

SO THE FIRST PIECE IS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE USE THIS PRODUCT FOR TO JUST VALIDATE IDENTITY OF OUR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.

UH, AND THE OTHER PIECE IS A COLLECTIONS, UH, QUESTION.

UM, ANYTHING WE WANT TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH, GOOD EVENING.

MONICA JOINER, INTERIM VICE PRESIDENT FOR CUSTOMER ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT.

YOUR QUESTION WAS RELATED TO DEPOSITS.

UM, THIS, UH, CONTRACT IS NOT RELATED TO DEPOSITS.

WE LOOK AT, UM, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT STATES IF THEY, IF A RESIDENT HAS NOT HAD SERVICE WITH US, UM, THAT THERE IS A $200 FOR RESIDENTIAL DEPOSIT REQUIRED.

THERE IS A WAIVER AVAILABLE AND A NUMBER OF OPTIONS.

SO IF, UH, THEIR, UM, IN OUR LOWER MODERATE INCOME, UM, GROUP, WE CAN WAIVE THAT DEPOSIT OR THEY CAN OPT TO, UM, PUT A, UM, AUTOMATIC, UM, DRAFT SIGN UP FOR AUTOMATIC DRAFT FOR 12 MONTHS AND WE'LL WAIVE THAT DEPOSIT AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

UH, RELATED QUESTION, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE CONTRACT, NOT THE DEPOSITS, UH,

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IS, UH, WHY IS IT NOT POSSIBLE TO PIGGYBACK ONTO, UH, EXISTING CONTRACT THAT AUSTIN POLICE WOULD HAVE WITH, FOR L WITH LEXUS OR THE STATE ALSO THROUGH THEIR COMPETITIVE, UH, PURCHASING PROGRAM, UH, RUN BY THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE? I, WHY, WHY, WHY ARE WE, UH, DOING A SOMETHING SEPARATE UNLESS IT'S A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER? SO, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY A PD USES THAT KIND OF PRODUCT.

ACCURATE FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICES HAS BEEN THE MOST ACCURATE PRODUCT THAT I'VE FOUND, UH, IN THE 20 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, UH, TO VALIDATE IDENTITY OF, UM, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHAT, HOW DOES A PD USE LEXINEXIS? NOW KEEP IN MIND LEXINEXIS IS A LARGE CONGLOMERATE.

THEY BOUGHT ACURA A FEW YEARS BACK, RIGHT? ACURA'S THE ONE WE'RE USING, NOT, NOT THE WHOLE LEXUS NEXUS O OKAY.

I MEAN, IT'S HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

I I IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO ACHIEVE SAVINGS BY PIGGYBACKING ONTO AN EXISTING CONTRACT, EITHER, EITHER LOCAL OR FEDERAL OR STATE, EXCUSE ME, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR OUR PROCUREMENT FOLKS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS, THAT THEY LOOK AT ALL OF THE CONTRACTS THAT THEY HAVE, UM, AND, AND, UH, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS ON NINE? OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOVE ADOPTION.

SECOND.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OKAY.

AT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER

[10. Recommend approving issuance of capacity-based incentives to Individuals Directed to Excellence and Achievement (IDEA) Public Schools, for installation of solar electric systems on their facilities shown in the table below, in an amount not to exceed $924,858.]

ALVAREZ, YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT 10? UH, YES.

UH, THIS IS, UM, RELATING TO, UH, AN AGREEMENT TO HELP, I THINK WITH, SO SOLAR SYSTEM INSTALLATION FOR IDEA PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

UH, I WAS WONDERING HOW MANY CAMPUSES, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

ONE IS HOW MANY CAMPUSES DOES THE SYSTEM COVER, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UM, OR IS IT JUST ONE CAMPUS? AND THEN ALSO, RIGHT, THE COST, THE TOTAL COST OF THE SYSTEM IS ABOUT 2 MILLION AND YEAH, I THINK IT'S 47% OF IT IS COVERED BY THIS ALLOCATION.

SO I'M WONDERING, LIKE, I GUESS, IS THIS A SPECIAL PROGRAM FOR SCHOOLS WHERE AUSTIN INTERVIEW PUTS UP 47% OR IS THIS JUST AN EXISTING PROGRAM WHERE THIS IS HOW WE COST SHARE WITH PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS? RIGHT? UM, I GUESS SO WHAT, WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S VERY GENEROUS AND WE WANNA, WE WANT OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS RIGHT TO, TO RUN ON, ON GREEN ENERGY.

UM, BUT IF A ISD CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, WE WANNA INSTALL A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, SOLAR, UH, SOLAR PANELS ON OUR SCHOOLS, UH, WOULD THEY GET THE SAME 47%? I GUESS WHAT, WHAT DRIVES THAT? IS THIS KIND OF WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M AFTER HERE? 'CAUSE UH, IT'S VERY, UH, GENEROUS AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S AVAILABLE TO OTHER, OTHER ENTITIES LIKE ENTITIES.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, UH, RICHARD GENESEE, VICE PRESIDENT OF CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS.

UM, I BELIEVE THE 47% IS AN AGGREGATE OF THE SEVEN PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE LISTED.

UH, JUST LIKE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE $924,000 INCENTIVE IS, IS, UH, ADDING ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS TOGETHER.

THE SEVEN PROJECTS, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHETHER THAT'S OVER ONE CAMPUS OR NOT.

I DOUBT IT'S OVER ONE CAMPUS.

IT'S PROBABLY MULTIPLE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TIM HARVEY WHO MANAGES THE SOLAR PROGRAM ON THE LINE WHO CAN ANSWER MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS.

TIM, HELLO, THIS IS TIM HARVEY, UH, CUSTOMER RENEWABLE SOLUTIONS.

UM, YEAH, WHAT RICHARD SAID WAS CORRECT ARE, ARE SEVEN PROJECTS.

AND I WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THOSE ARE SEVEN CAMPUSES.

UM, THIS IS PART OF THE, UM, NON, OR SORRY, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF, UM, AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR NONPROFITS THAT'S ELIGIBLE TO ALL NONPROFITS.

SO AS A NONPROFIT, UM, THEY GET 90 CENTS A WATT FOR THE INSTALLED, UM, SYSTEMS. OKAY.

SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE POLICY.

SO IF I COULD GET SENT A COPY OF THAT PROGRAM INFO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

JUST SO THAT I HAVE IT FOR MY REFERENCE.

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AND THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.

YEAH, WE'LL SEND YOU THAT.

THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS ON 10? JUST CURIOUS, YOU SAID THE 90 CENTS WAS FOR THE NON-PROFITS.

IS THERE, WHAT, WHAT'S IT FOR OTHERS? I BELIEVE, UM, CURRENTLY AND THE, AND THE INCENTIVE LEVELS CHANGE OVER TIME, BUT I, I BELIEVE IT'S, UM, 55 CENTS FOR, UH, SMALL BUSINESSES.

THANKS.

AND, AND UP TO 75 KW FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND UP TO 400 KW PER PROJECT FOR NONPROFITS.

SO THAT'S HOW THE CBIS SEGREGATED.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE APPROVAL.

OKAY.

A SECOND, SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

AND WITH THAT, OKAY, WE CAN MOVE ON

[11. Discussion and action on commissioner orientation and training meeting. (Sponsors: Chapman, Tuttle)]

TO NUMBER 11.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON COMMISSIONER ORIENTATION AND TRAINING.

SO COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN.

HI, JUST MA, MAINLY AS A FOLLOW UP, UH, I WANTED, UH, ALL OF WHICH IS, UH, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, UH, MET WITH, WITH BOTH AMY AND ROBIN, UH, GET THEIR I TO GET THEIR IDEAS.

UH, AND KIND OF MY CURRENT THINKING, AND I THROW THIS OUT FOR DISCUSSION, FOR DISCUSSION, IS, UH, THAT WE WOULD CONDUCT, UH, A TRAINING YOU HAVE, HAVE THE UP UPDATED AND, AND THANKFULLY, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY EXECUTIVE TEAM SAID THEY WOULD, UH, UH, HELP OUT BY TAKING A, A MAJOR ROLE IN GETTING THIS ALL SET UP FOR US, UH, AT A TIME, UH, AT A TIME THAT'S CONVENIENT.

UH, ALL OF WHICH IS I, FIRST OF ALL, I'D ASK, ASK IF THERE, UH, FROM THE DRAFT AGENDA THAT YOU SEE, UH, DOES THIS COVER THE LANDSCAPE? ASSUMING THAT WE EITHER COVER IT IN ONE OR TWO, TWO SPECIAL, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING OR MEETINGS, UH, THE, IN THE FALL AFTER EVERYONE'S BACK FROM VACATION OR WHAT, WHEREVER, UH, ARE THE TOPICS RIGHT AS YOU SEE THEM.

ANY, ANY DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING TO BE ADDED OR TAKEN OFF? I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

THANK YOU.

UM, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW DETAILED WE WANT TO GET INTO THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE OUTLINE, BUT I KNOW THERE THERE'S A FEW THINGS PARTICULARLY AROUND KIND OF SPECIFICALLY DIVING INTO LIKE LOAD POCKET SEPARATION AND ALL THESE THINGS.

LIKE I WANT TO, I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M AN ENGINEER, ENGINEER, I WANNA SEE THE MATH .

LIKE I WANNA SEE THE NUMBERS, HOW MANY HOURS IS IT HAPPENING, WHAT THE PRICE DIFFERENTIALS ARE, HOW MANY MEGAWATTS, UM, THAT KIND OF THING TO REALLY GET AN INTUITIVE FEEL FOR KIND OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE THING IS, WHAT, WHAT IT IS WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

THAT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVING US HAVE THIS HUGE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, NEW GENERATION AND KIND OF WHAT, AND WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND THEN HOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT AUSTIN ENERGY FLEET'S MAKING VERSUS LIKE WHAT WE'RE EITHER GETTING OR HAVING TO PAY IF FOR VIRTUAL PPAS ACROSS THE STATE.

I TO REALLY GET A, A DATA-DRIVEN KIND OF APPROACH.

I REALLY WANNA UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT, WHAT ALL OF THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ADD SOME THINGS, UM, TO THIS AND THE WAY THAT AT LEAST I UNDERSTAND 'EM.

BUT I MEAN, THERE'S SOME VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN, IN LEARNING KIND OF WHAT IT MEANS.

HOW ABOUT SENDING THOSE TO EVERY, TO RYAN SUCH, BUT SOUNDS GOOD.

I WOULD PUT UNDER THE CATEGORY OF TEXAS GRID TRANSMISSION SYSTEM AND CONSTRAINTS, A SUB-BULLET THAT TALKS ABOUT LOAD ZONE PRICE SEPARATION TUTORIAL.

ABSOLUTELY.

WITH, WITH REAL ACTUAL HISTORICAL DATA.

WITH HISTORICAL DATA, YES.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

WHAT ELSE, JOSH? UM, I MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT, BUT, UM, AND I THINK, YEAH, OWNED ASSETS AND, AND, AND PPAS LIKE, LIKE I THINK A LOT OF OUR PPAS ARE VIRTUAL PPAS AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SETTLED IN DIFFERENT

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PLACES THAN THEY ARE, THAN THEY ARE HERE.

SO KIND OF WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF HOW OFTEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE 35, HOW OFTEN ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE HAVING TO MAKE THEM WHOLE IF LIKE THEY'RE GETTING LESS THAN 35 AT THE NODE THAT THEY'RE INJECTING IN.

AND KIND OF HOW ALL THAT MATH WORKS FOR US.

LIKE, I'D REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.

UM, YEAH.

'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S PRETTY COMPLEX, I GUESS LIKE VERY DETAILED WITH HISTORICAL ALSO DATA ABOUT, UM, HOW THE PPAS ARE ARE GOING AND WHAT IT, WHAT IT MEANS FOR FINANCES.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON TOPICS? AND I, ALL OF WHICH IS, UH, FEED ALL, FEED ALL COMMENTS, UH, INTO RO INTO ROBIN, UH, THE EXECUTIVE TEAM HAS, HAS OFFERED TO, LIKE I SAY, TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS.

UH, IT WOULD, YES, CYRUS? UM, THE ONLY THING THAT MIGHT BE MISSING, BUT I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO ADD IT OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY COMPLICATED HAVING GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM WOULD BE JUST THE, THE RATE MAKING PROCESS AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SCHEDULE FOR DOING A COST OF SERVICE STUDY AND, AND RATE MAKING.

BUT, UM, THAT COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH TIME.

SO IT'S JUST, IF IT MAKES SENSE TO UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS ON HOW, HOW THAT PROCESS OCCURS.

'CAUSE THE EUC HAS A ROLE IN THAT, SO THAT MIGHT BE ONE THING THAT'S MISSING.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT ONLY