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ORDER AT 6:02 PM UH, WE'LL START WITH TAKING ATTENDANCE.

STONE IS HERE.

ROBINS HERE.

DAVIS.

HERE.

FARMER.

I DON'T SEE FARMER.

GARY.

HE SAID HE'D BE HERE AROUND SIX 30.

OKAY.

GARY JOHNSON.

ARIUS HERE.

[CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

SCAFF HERE.

SILVERSTEIN HERE.

OKAY.

AND TWO VACANT SPOTS.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM WITH, UH, SIX PEOPLE REPORTING IN SO WE CAN CONTINUE ON.

UH, FIRST OFF, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

DO WE HAVE ANY VISITORS REGISTERED TO SPEAK TODAY? NO.

NO.

BEING THAT THERE ARE NO VISITORS TODAY, THEN LET'S

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES IN YOUR PACKETS ON ITEM ONE.

YOU HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, IF YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW THOSE FOR A MOMENT, AND THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SO MOVE SECOND.

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MOTION BY SILVERSTEIN.

SECONDED BY ROBINS.

UH, UH, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS OR CAN WE PASS THIS BY ACCLAMATION? SO PASSED.

VERY GOOD.

MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER TWO IN YOUR PACKETS BY ACCLAMATION.

WELL, I MEAN WE CAN IF YOU'RE SO MOVED TO CLAP.

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UH,

[2. Recommend approving issuance of capacity-based incentives to Individuals Directed to Excellence and Achievement (IDEA) Public Schools for installation of solar electric systems on their facilities located at 700 Showplace Lane, 9504 N IH 35 SVRD SB, 1901 E Wells Branch Parkway, 1438 E Yager Lane, 1701 Vargas Road, 5816 Wilcab Road, and 1700 E Slaughter Lane, in an amount not to exceed $924,858.]

MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER TWO IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR ISSUANCE OF CAPACITY BASED INCENTIVES TO INDIVIDUALS DIRECTED EXCELLENCE AND ACHIEVEMENT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO COMMENT FROM I IDEA PUBLIC SCHOOLS? NO.

OKAY.

UM, IS THERE ANYONE FROM AUSTIN ENERGY THAT'S ABLE TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THIS ONE? MY NAME'S HELLO COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS TIM HARVEY AND I'M THE CUSTOMER RENEWABLE SOLUTIONS MANAGER.

SO, UM, THIS CAPACITY BASED INCENTIVE IS FOR IDEA PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

THERE ARE NONPROFIT.

UM, THIS IS FOR SEVEN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UM, FOR A TOTAL OF ONE MEG, A LITTLE BIT OVER ONE MEGAWATT DC UM, AND THE INCENTIVE LEVEL IS 90 CENTS A WAT, AND THE, THE TOTAL INCENTIVE AMOUNT IS 924,858.

OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? I MAY HAVE SOME, BUT I'LL DEFER TO THE CHAIR POST .

UH, I I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THAT IS, HAS ANY KIND OF RESEARCH DONE AS TO THE QUALIFICATION OF SOMEBODY COMING INTO THIS PROGRAM SEEKING GRANT FUNDING? ? IF, IF THEY'RE REQUESTING A NONPROFIT INCENTIVE LEVEL, THEN THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY'RE A NONPROFIT.

OKAY.

DOES ANYONE AT AUSTIN ENERGY READ NEWSPAPERS BEFORE EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE TO GIVE A CAPACITY BASED INCENTIVE TO AN APPLICANT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO, UM, THAT THIS IS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE STATE RIGHT NOW? YES.

THAT THEY'RE UNDER CONSERVATIVE STATE? WE WERE AWARE OF THAT.

AND SO ARE THEY, IT'S PART OF THEIR REHABILITATION, IF YOU WILL, OUT OF MILD CURIOSITY, KNOWING THAT THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE, THAT, THAT THEY BOUGHT WAS $1.9 MILLION.

YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE TOTAL VAL TOTAL ELECTRICAL OUTPUT OF THAT SYSTEM THAT WE'RE EXPECTING IN TERMS OF KILOWATT HOURS PER YEAR? YES, I'VE GOT IT BROKEN DOWN BY PROJECT, BUT, UH OH, YEAH, I DO.

UM, THE ANNUAL PRODUCTION OF THAT IS, UM, APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILLION KILOWATT HOURS PER YEAR.

OKAY.

SO HAD THEY NOT SPENT $15 MILLION ON PRIVATE PLANES, THEN THEY COULD HAVE HAD ABOUT 10.5 MILLION KILOWATTS WORTH OF GENERATION.

I CAN'T OUN ON THAT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I JUST WANTED TO GET IN A LITTLE BIT OF POUND OF FLESH ON THAT ONE.

, I I HOPE YOU'RE NOT BLAMING, UH, THE GOOD MR. HARVEY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE SITUATION.

NO, I, THE REALITY IS, IS JUST THEY WEREN'T HERE OR ELSE I WOULD'VE DIRECTED A LOT MORE FIREPOWER IN THEIR DIRECTION.

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I CAN ASSURE YOU, COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, UM, I, I TOO HAD THE BENEFIT OF READING THIS ARTICLE IN THE TEXAS TRIBUNE ON, UM, THE IDEA SCHOOLS AND THEIR, UM, SORRY, FINANCIAL SITUATION AND THEIR, UM, LOW PERFORMANCE AS IN TERMS OF SERVING STUDENTS.

AND SO I AM, I RECOGNIZE THAT THE EUC HAS ALREADY APPROVED THIS, AND SO PROBABLY US POTENTIALLY NOT APPROVING IT MAY MAKE NO DAMN DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.

BUT I AM INCLINED TO, UM, ASK THAT AUSTIN ENERGY PUT ISSUANCE OF THIS APPROVAL AND ISSUANCE OF THIS ON HOLD UNTIL CONDUCTING FURTHER RESEARCH TO SEE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING BUSINESS.

'CAUSE IF THEY, IF THESE END UP BEING EMPTY SCHOOLS OR SEESAW HAVE SO MUCH FINANCIAL PROBLEM THAT THEY CAN'T CONTINUE OPERATING, THEN YOU ARE THROWING AWAY OUR MONEY.

AND, UM, PV SITTING ON AN EMPTY BUILDING DOESN'T DO ANY OF US ANY GOOD.

SO, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T ISSUE IT.

I'M ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU ALL DO SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE ON WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOING CONCERN AND WHETHER THIS PV WILL ACTUALLY HAVE SOME USEFULNESS GOING FORWARD THAT MERITS OUR INVESTMENT WITH THIS GRANT FUNDS.

IF IT WERE A LOAN, I'D BE SAYING, BUT IT'S A GRANT.

I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, AND I'LL JUST VOICE A, A, A DIFFERENT, A CONCERN FROM OUR SIDE ABOUT BEING SUBJECTIVE AS IT PERTAINS TO THE ISSUANCE OF INCENTIVES.

WE LIKE TO HAVE CLEAR GUIDELINES AND WE'LL LEAVE THE SUBJECTIVITY UP TO YOU GUYS.

AND I'M, I'M, I, I WAS A REGULATOR.

I'M VERY GOOD AT BEING SUBJECTIVE.

MM-HMM.

IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER, THERE ARE ENTITIES LIKE, UM, CONSERVATORSHIP, THERE IS AN, THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OVERSEEING THIS FINANCIAL ENTITY AND THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME KIND OF FIRM INTELLIGENCE STATEMENT ON YES, THIS PV WILL BE SITTING ON SCHOOLS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO RUN AS OPPOSED TO, NO, YOU ARE P*****G AWAY YOUR MONEY BECAUSE THE PV, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T HAVE STUDENTS IN THESE SCHOOLS, SEVEN SCHOOLS WITH, WITH ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS OF PV GRANTS.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, UM, UM, WOULD, UH, OKAY.

UM, I HAVE, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER VOTED AGAINST, UH, A SOLAR, UM, ITEM THAT HAS COME UP TO DATE.

UM, THIS ONE IS GIVING ME REAL PAUSE.

UM, I, UM, I, I'M, I MAY ABSTAIN ON THIS ONE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER TI I JUST A PRACTICAL QUESTION.

SO IF, IF WE, UM, IF THIS SOLAR DOES GET BUILT ON THIS BUILDING AND THEN IT DOES IN FACT GET LIKE VACATED BECAUSE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DECIDES TO DO THAT, UM, WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS TO THE SOLAR ON THE ROOF? DOES IT SIT, DOES IT SIT UNUSED BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE IN THE BUILDING WAITING FOR A NEW, I ASSUME TENANT AT SOME POINT TO COME BACK IN, WHICH MAY NEVER HAPPEN.

I SUPPOSE THE FACILITY HAS TO HAVE POWER FROM THE GRID FOR THE SOLAR TO WORK.

IF THE SOLAR SENSES THAT THERE'S NO POWER FROM THE GRID, THEN IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY GO OFFLINE.

I, I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING IF THERE'S ANY, THIS IS PROBABLY ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A PROVISION FOR, LIKE, YOU KEEP THAT BUILDING ENERGIZED SO THAT THE SOLAR CONTINUES TO WORK SO THAT THE ASSET IS NOT STRANDED.

UH, THIS VALUE ISN'T STRANDED WAITING FOR ANOTHER TENANT IN THE BUILDING.

YOU, YOU, YOU BRING UP A GOOD QUESTION.

HAS SOME, HAS THERE EVER BEEN A STRANDED SOLAR ASSET IN AUSTIN ENERGY'S SERVICE TERRITORY? I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT TO, TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER CONFIDENTLY.

I DO SEE YOU COMMISSIONER S CITI, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING ON THIS IS THAT WE KIND OF PAY AS WE GO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SETTING ASIDE A, A, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, A MAGICAL NUMBER OF A MAX AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD PAY OUT THE 900 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT THAT IT'S STILL DONE BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

SO THEY WOULD STILL BE WRITING A CHECK FOR $1.9 MILLION TODAY AND THEN GET REBATE FUNDS FROM AUSTIN ENERGY OVER TIME.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO.

NO.

UM,

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WE, SO THE INCENTIVE IS A ONE-TIME UPFRONT INCENTIVE, AND THE ONGOING, UM, BENEFIT THAT THEY WOULD GET IS THROUGH THE VALUE OF SOLAR, WHICH IS BASED ON KILOWATT HOUR PRODUCTION.

SO IF THE SYSTEM ISN'T PRODUCING, THEN WE DON'T PAY ANYTHING.

SO THEY WOULD GET THE UPFRONT AND SEND HIM? YES.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER S CITI, YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.

WELL, I, WELL, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT 'CAUSE NOW I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED 'CAUSE I, I THOUGHT IT WAS WHAT, I THINK IT'S COMMISSIONER STONE TALKING.

UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS WHAT HE SAID, WHICH IS THAT, I MEAN, THERE FIRST HAS TO BE THIS INVESTMENT FROM THEM RIGHT.

OF THE 1.9 MILLION TO PURCHASE THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO LIKE THEIR INVESTMENT IS THERE BEFORE OUR INCENTIVE THEN COMES WITHIN THE YEAR OR SOMETHING.

IT'S A ONE-TIME INCENTIVE, YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN THEY ALSO GET A BENEFIT FOR THEIR PRODUCTION OVER TIME IN THE FORM OF A BILL CREDIT BASED ON THE VALUE OF SOLAR RATE.

RIGHT.

AND IF THERE'S NO, AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR POINT WAS, IS LIKE, IF, IF THE BUILDING IS OFFLINE, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY OBVIOUSLY BILL RATE INCENTIVE THAT THAT GOES AWAY.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, MY, MY QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION OF, UM, SO IF, IF THE EUC HAS ALREADY VOTED ON THIS AND WE AS A COMMISSION VOTE NO, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF THIS? THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH? OR IS THIS, I HEARD SOMEONE SAY LIKE, IT MIGHT NOT MATTER.

SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATION OF OUR VOTE.

THE EUC MAINTAINS PRIMACY ON THIS ISSUE.

SO, OKAY.

UM, IF THEY PASS IT AND WE WERE TO REJECT IT, IT WOULD STILL GO TO COUNCIL FOR ULTIMATE APPROVAL.

IT WOULD NOT MATTER.

SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT IS A GOOD THING.

'CAUSE THAT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN VOTE OUR CONSCIOUSNESS AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T AND THAT'S FINE.

OH, AND, AND SO THE, THE COUNCIL WOULD JUST SEE LIKE, OH, UH, THAT THE EUC VOTED YES.

AND THE RMC VOTED NO.

SO LIKE, WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR DECISION, YES, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD SEE THAT, YES.

THEY WOULD SEE THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT EUC DID.

YES.

EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, UH, I'M, UM, I THINK IF, UH, MEMBERS OF THE EUC WERE IN THE ROOM AND YOU TOLD THEM THEY DIDN'T VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE THAT THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE RILED, BUT, UM, BE THAT AS IT MAY , UM, EVEN IF THE, UH, ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION AND THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION BOTH SAID NO, THIS COULD STILL GO TO COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL CAN DO IT AT ONCE.

WE ARE AN ADVISORY COMMISSION, UM, AND STAFF MIGHT PREVAIL OVER BOTH OF OUR GROUPS.

THE QUESTION IS, UH, WHAT IS GOOD PO THE QUESTIONS ARE WHAT IS GOOD POLICY AND, UH, ARE WE VOTING OUR CONSCIENCE? I SEE.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS, BUT THE, THAT'S HELPFUL.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, UM, WHAT DID YOU NEED TO TURN? THANK YOU.

UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE OF THEM IS I WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY THE PROPOSED I I MOVE TO MODIFY WHATEVER THE MOTION IS TO REQUEST A DEFERRAL OF APPROVAL TO HAVE AUSTIN ENERGY DO MORE RESEARCH INTO WHETHER IDEA SCHOOLS IS A GOING CONCERN.

I ALSO MOVE TO TAKE A COPY OF THE, UM, ARTICLE ON THE TEXAS TRIBUNE EXPLAINING WHAT, WHAT IDEA SCHOOL'S, FINANCIAL ISSUES ARE, AND INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKAGE THAT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND I SUGGEST ALSO THAT THOSE OF US WHO ARE TROUBLED BY THIS PROPOSAL, UM, PUT TOGETHER A VERY QUICK MEMO FROM OURSELVES AS INDIVIDUALS, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE RMC AS A WHOLE TO CITY COUNCIL, EXPLAINING WHAT OUR RESERVATIONS ARE AND WHY WE ARE VOTING ANY DIFFERENT WAY AS INDIVIDUALS, NOT AS THE FULL COMMISSION FROM THE UCS FULL THROATED APPROVAL.

THANK YOU.

UH, MAY I, I'M DOODLING ON WHAT THAT MEANS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS.

ONE WOULD BE TO LET, LET'S

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CALL IT FOR SAKE OF DISCUSSION.

ONE WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND COUNSEL DELAY ACTION.

ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE TO SAY, ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE TO HAVE THIS ARTICLE FROM THE TEXAS TRIBUNE.

THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF GOOD ARTICLES, BY THE WAY, THAT ARE IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS AND A COUPLE OTHERS.

UM, AND THEN THE THIRD WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL ACTION TAKEN BY MEMBERS.

UM, MY THOUGHT GENERALLY WOULD BE, AND YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN ALL WEIGH IN AS YOU WISH.

YOU COULD ALSO ACHIEVE A VERY SIMILAR END BY SAYING NO AND REACHING OUT TO YOUR SPONSORING COUNCIL MEMBER AND SAYING TO THEM, THIS IS WHY WE RAISED OUR HAND AND SAID, NO, UM, AND, AND GO ABOUT IT THAT WAY.

AND THEY COULD ALSO STILL BE SENT ALL OF THE ARTICLES BECAUSE THESE THINGS, THESE, THESE, UH, THESE, UH, CAPACITY BASED INCENTIVES, THEY'RE KIND OF BOILERPLATE.

AND SO IF WE START PLAYING AROUND WITH THAT AND MAKING IT OUR OWN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M A HUGE FAN OF, DON'T GET ME WRONG, UM, BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THAT IS ULTIMATELY WHAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE PAYING ATTENTION TO.

BECAUSE NORMALLY THESE THINGS ROLL ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA ANYWAY FOR COUNCIL.

SO I THINK AS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, REACHING BACK OUT TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS IS PROBABLY A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE OURSELVES HEARD OTHER THAN HOW YOU VOTE IN THIS COMMISSION.

I, YOU, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, OR YOU COULD ACTUALLY REGISTER TO SPEAK AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

UH, UH, AND SINCE YOU CAN DO IT REMOTELY, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT.

UH, I AM FOND OF, UH, DRIVING AN HOUR TO CITY COUNCIL AND AN HOUR BACK JUST SO I CAN GET THREE MINUTES IN, BUT MANY PEOPLE AREN'T.

UH, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS, UM, UH, ALTHOUGH I HAVE BEEN, UH, CRITICAL OF, UH, CERTAIN THINGS THAT, UM, SUCH AS GREEN CHOICE THAT, UM, UH, STAFF, UH, IS RUNNING, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO MR. HARVEY AND TO, UM, UH, RICHARD GENESEE THAT, UM, I AM NOT HOLDING THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, FOR, FOR MY MISGIVINGS ABOUT THIS.

THEY, UH, ARE ASSIGNED TO DO A JOB.

UH, THEY, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH, UH, OR SHALL I SAY THE, UH, THE FLEXIBILITY TO, UH, LOOK AT SOME THINGS THAT WE DO.

SO, UM, UM, I I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT THIS ISN'T, UM, THIS ISN'T PERSONAL COMMISSIONER SS CITI, YOU'VE BEEN PATIENT AND YOU'RE MUTED.

THIS, THIS, IT WOULD HELP TO BE UNMUTED.

UM, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND ONE OTHER THING, WHICH IS THAT I, UNDER, WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHY WE MIGHT THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE ARTICLE AND SOME OF THE FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT NOT BE THERE IN THE FUTURE, BUT AREN'T, AREN'T WE SAYING THAT THEY ARE GONNA PUT $1.9 MILLION IN BUILDING THIS THING? LIKE, WHERE IS THAT MONEY COME FROM IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THIS SCHOOL NOT BEING THERE, LIKE IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, HOW CAN THEY PAY FOR THAT? MY MY GENERAL THOUGHT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING IN TERMS OF A GOING CONCERN KIND OF AN ISSUE.

WHILE THEY MAY HAVE THE CASH NOW, THEY MAY IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY GO UNDER FULL BLOWN TAKEOVER BY TEA, FOR EXAMPLE, START TO HEMORRHAGE STUDENTS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, TO WHERE THEIR, THEIR QUOTE BUSINESS AS AN ISD BECOMES UNTENABLE.

I GENERALLY WOULD TEND TO THINK, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, JUST LOU SITTING HERE, THAT THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD NOT GO VACANT.

THAT, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER WOULD ULTIMATELY TAKE OVER MANAGING THOSE SCHOOLS WOULD STILL BE KEEPING THEM OPEN BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ROOM IN THE OTHER SCHOOL BUILDINGS AND THE ISDS AROUND THOSE LOCATIONS TO BE ABLE TO ABSORB THAT NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

YOU FIGURE THERE'S A FEW HUNDRED KIDS IN EVERY SCHOOL, YOU CAN'T JUST DUMP THEM ALL OVER AT THE LOCAL PILLOW ELEMENTARY AND HOPE THAT IT WORKS OUT.

SO I TEND TO THINK THAT THE BUILDING WOULD REMAIN OCCUPIED.

THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES IS IF SOMEBODY NEW, IS THE, A NEW OWNER OR OCCUPANT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, TO THE BUILDING, WOULD THE BENEFIT OF THE ONGOING BILL CREDITS IN YOUR TO THEM WOULD BE MY QUESTION? YES.

OKAY.

IT WOULD, I MEAN, FOR WHAT IT FIRST, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO A VOTE AT SOME POINT, BUT I, I GUESS I'M KIND OF, OF THE MINDSET OF APPROVING THIS AND THEN, UM, SAYING SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT HOW LIKE THIS SHOULD BE.

I, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THESE ARE BOILERPLATE TO SOME

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EXTENT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A PRETTY SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE.

SO, UM, PERHAPS THERE COULD BE, IN THE WAY THEY ACTUALLY STRUCTURE THIS AND ROLL THIS OUT, THERE COULD BE SOME PARAMETERS OR CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS, THIS ORGANIZATION, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SCHOOLS NOT BEING A GOING CONCERN.

SO THAT'S MORE OF A COMMENT.

UM, THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ENTERTAIN? I'M NOT SURE I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT I'M GONNA ABSTAIN ON.

I DO IT ALL THE TIME.

PAUL, MOVE TO APPROVE.

MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER DAVIS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GRAFFITI FOR, FOR BEING OUR GUINEA PIG ON NUMBER TWO.

WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ONLINE, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERAS FOR THIS.

UH, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, VERY RELUCTANTLY ABSTAIN.

COMMISSIONER DAVIS? YES.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

I'LL ABSTAIN.

COMMISSIONER TI ABSTAIN.

COMMISSIONER SDI? YES.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN.

ABSTAIN AND STONE VOTES? NO, THAT'S 2 1 4.

THIS RELU THIS RECOMMENDATION FAILS.

MOVING ON IN OUR AGENDA WITH THE, NO.

UH, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A SUBSTITUTE OR, OR IS THAT JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN? FOR WHAT? FOR, FOR THIS.

DID YOU NOT WANT TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION? COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN STEIN.

THANK YOU.

I THOUGHT, UM, COMM CHAIR STONE'S ARGUMENTS ABOUT COMMUNICATING DIRECTLY TO OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE PRETTY REASONABLE.

AND I WILL TAKE THAT PATH AS IT IS THE FACT THAT, THAT YOU HAD ONLY TWO VOTES IN FAVOR OF THIS AND, UM, THAT MANY ABSTENTIONS AND THOSE INDICATES THAT IT DOES NOT PASS THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION, WHICH SHOULD RAISE A COUPLE OF EYEBROWS OVER AT CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, WITH THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL,

[6. Staff briefing and process update on the Resource, Generation, and Climate Protection Plan by Lisa Martin, Deputy General Manager and Chief Operating Officer. ]

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE UP THE STAFF BREEDING BRIEFING ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, FOR A PRESENTATION ON THE RESOURCE GENERATION CLIMATE PROTECTION PLAN, UH, BY LISA MARTIN FROM AUSTIN ENERGY, BECAUSE SHE HAS A TIME CONSTRAINT THIS EVENING.

APPEARS THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS.

SO WE WILL DO THAT.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIR STONE.

THANK YOU.

UH, GOOD EVENING, CHAIR STONE.

UH, VICE CHAIR ROBBINS AND COMMISSIONERS.

UH, I'M LISA MARTIN.

AUSTIN ENERGY'S DEPUTY GENERAL MANAGER AND CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER.

UH, ON APRIL 30TH, WE BRIEFED CITY COUNCIL AT THE AUSTIN ENERGY UTILITY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON THE ENHANCED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS FOR UPDATES TO AUSTIN ENERGY'S RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN.

AND WE ALSO BRIEFED THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION, UM, AT THEIR MEETING LAST WEEK ON MAY 13TH.

AND AT THE REQUEST OF RMC, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN INFORMATIONAL UPDATE AS A COURTESY.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, TONIGHT I'M GONNA PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN, AND I'LL DESCRIBE SEVERAL AREAS WHERE WE HEARD THE COMMUNITY AND CITY COUNCIL LEADING US TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PROCESS.

MOVING FORWARD, YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THIRD PARTY EXPERTISE THAT WE'RE INVOLVING, AND HOW ONE OF THOSE EXPERTS, RIF LINE, WILL BRING A BROAD GROUP OF COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS TO HELP US REACH A POSITIVE OUTCOME.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

IN MARCH, AUSTIN ENERGY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE NEEDED TO PAUSE THE PROCESS WE HAD UNDERWAY AND ADDRESS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED PATH FORWARD.

IT WAS CLEAR FROM OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS THE EUC WORKING GROUPS THAT WE WERE ON A PATH TO SEPARATE PROPOSALS.

WE PAUSED BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZED THE NEED TO PURSUE FURTHER STAKEHOLDER COLLABORATION AND GATHER MORE INFORMATION ON ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN SUPPORT OUR GROWING CUSTOMER BASE IN THE CHANGING ENERGY MARKET.

WE KNOW ONE THING FOR CERTAIN, THE PEOPLE OF AUSTIN CARE ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, RELIABILITY, AND AFFORDABILITY.

AND IT'S OUR COLLECTIVE JOB TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE OF THESE SHARED VALUES.

AND THAT REQUIRED US TO ACCEPT THE HARD TRUTH THAT OUR EFFORTS THUS FAR WERE NOT WORKING.

AND IT WAS TIME TO PUSH THE RESET BUTTON.

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NEXT SLIDE.

SO, AS WE RESET, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TIMEFRAME.

THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL THAT RECOMMENDED THAT WE BUILD THE PLAN OUT TO 2035, RATHER THAN UPDATING THE 2030 PLAN, WHICH IS THE PATH WE WERE ON UNDER OUR NEW PROCESS.

WE ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO BRING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, AND THAT MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN UPDATED PLAN MUCH CLOSER TO 2025 THAN WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.

AND SO, IT'S THE OPPORTUNE TIME TO IMPLEMENT THE FULL SET OF RESOURCES THAT ARE NEEDED TO CREATE A 2035 PLAN INSTEAD OF JUST A 2030 UPDATE.

AND WE AGREE THIS APPROACH ALIGNS WITH THE OVERARCHING OBJECTIVE OF CARBON FREE BY 2035.

AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FULL 10 YEAR HORIZON, WE KNOW WE NEED TO ENGAGE IN A MORE ROBUST AND COLLABORATIVE PROCESS TO ENSURE A CONVERSATION THAT ADDRESSES THE NEEDS OF THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY AND ONE THAT IS ROOTED IN SHARED VALUES WITH A DESIRE FOR OUR COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.

AUSTIN ENERGY HIRED LIFELINE AS A THIRD PARTY FACILITATOR TO WORK THROUGH CHALLENGING CONVERSATIONS AND ENGAGE ALL VOICES IN THE COMMUNITY.

I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT LIFELINE AND THEIR ROLE IN A BIT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THREE MAIN AREAS, DATA GATHERING AND RESEARCH TO ENSURE ALL OF US HAVE THE MOST UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION.

WE'RE FOCUSED ON STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT TO ENSURE WE HAVE A ROBUST COLLABORATIVE PROCESS THAT ADDRESSES THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE FOCUSED ON OUTSIDE EXPERTISE TO ENSURE WE HAVE WELL-ROUNDED VIEWPOINTS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OUR THIRD PARTY EXPERTISE IS COMING IN THREE MAIN FORMS. LINDA RIFE AND HER TEAM AT RIF LINE WILL FACILITATE THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT.

DR. MICHAEL WEBER AND WEBER ENERGY GROUP WILL PROVIDE INDUSTRY EXPERTISE AND RESEARCH, AND WE'RE ALSO SEEKING TO BRING IN THIRD PARTY MODELING AND ANALYTICS TO SUPPLEMENT AUSTIN ENERGY'S WORK.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

IN OUR OLD PROCESS, WE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COST INPUT ASSUMPTIONS WE USED IN MODELING.

SO IN ADDITIONAL TO THE THIRD PARTY EXPERTISE, PART OF OUR DATA GATHERING INVOLVES REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.

LAST MONTH, AUSTIN ENERGY RELEASED AN RFP FOR RENEWABLE AND CARBON FREE GENERATION TECHNOLOGIES.

WE INCLUDED WIND, SOLAR, AND BATTERIES, WHICH IS TYPICAL FOR US, BUT ALSO GEOTHERMAL AND FUEL CELLS.

WE WANNA ADD THESE NEWER AND PERHAPS LESS COMMON CARBON-FREE TECHNOLOGIES TO GATHER DATA FOR COMPARISON AND TO KEEP A PULSE ON WHEN THESE WILL BECOME COMPETITIVE.

WE RECENTLY CONDUCTED A BATTERY STORAGE RFP, AND WE PLAN TO REVISIT OR PERHAPS ISSUE A NEW RFP FOR TECHNOLOGY COMPARISON AS WELL.

AND TO ROUND OUT THE DATA, WE PLAN TO ISSUE AN RFP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT FLEXIBLE FUEL GENERATION.

THIS SUITE OF RFPS WILL NOT ONLY GIVE US ADDITIONAL DATA SET TO REFINE OUR PLANNING EFFORTS, BUT IT WILL ALSO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK APPROVAL OF VIABLE RENEWABLE PROJECTS IN THE NEAR TERM.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WHEN I PRESENTED TO THE UTILITY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IN APRIL, I SHARED THE FLOOR WITH LINDA RIF, BUT TONIGHT I'M GONNA COVER HER SLIDES.

UM, BUT LET ME START WITH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LINDA'S BACKGROUND.

SO SHE HAS MORE THAN 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, AND SHE'S A SEASONED SPECIALIST IN THE AREAS OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.

SHE HAS RECEIVED MEDIATION TRAINING THROUGH UT'S LAW SCHOOL, UM, UT LAW SCHOOL'S CENTER FOR PUBLIC POLICY DISPUTE RESOLUTION AND INFORMED CONSENT TRAINING THROUGH THE INSTITUTE FOR PARTICIPATORY MANAGEMENT AND PLANNING.

YOU ARE LIKELY FAMILIAR WITH LIFELINE'S WORK IN THE COMMUNITY ON HIGH PROFILE AND IMPORTANT ISSUES SUCH AS TRANSIT, EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE.

AND NOW SHE'LL BE TAKING ON ENERGY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, LINDA'S ROLE IS TO SERVE AS A NEUTRAL PARTY.

SHE'LL BE WORKING TO CREATE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF AUSTIN ENERGY'S MISSION, AND SHE'LL BE, UH, SHE'LL BE WORKED TO ENSURE THAT AUSTIN ENERGY HEARS FROM A DIVERSE SET OF VOICES IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THEIR VALUES.

MOST OF ALL, SHE'LL DEVELOP AN INFORMED CONSENT PROCESS REGARDING THE RANGE OF SOLUTIONS APPROPRIATE TO SUPPORT A GROWING CUSTOMER BASE IN A CHANGING ENERGY MARKET.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

BRIGHTLINE SCOPE INCLUDES CONDUCTING A SERIES OF STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOPS, GATHERING FEEDBACK, AND KEEPING THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION INFORMED AND ENGAGED.

AND SHE WILL ALSO REPORT OUT TO THE UTILITY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.

THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES SPEAK TO THE WORKSHOPS MENTIONED HERE, BUT I WANNA ALSO START WITH, LIFELINE IS INVITING ORGANIZATIONS THAT REPRESENT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND USING THE INFORMED CONSENT MODEL, WORKSHOPS WILL BUILD UPON EACH OTHER AND THEY WILL INVOLVE INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION, LIFELINE HAS INVITED PARTICIPANTS REPRESENTING FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS.

WE HAVE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES WHO WILL REPRESENT, UH, SUSTAINABILITY PARTIES, LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATE GROUPS, AND CLEAN ENERGY PRACTITIONERS.

WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FOR RELIABILITY LIKE

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HOSPITALS, NURSING HOMES, MANUFACTURING AND GROCERY STORES, AFFORDABILITY TARGETS, AREAS LIKE HOUSING ADVOCATES, NONPROFITS, AND SMALL BUSINESS.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A GROUP THAT REPRESENTS DEMOGRAPHICS AND GEOGRAPHY.

THIS COVERS EVERYTHING FROM STUDENTS TO SENIOR CITIZENS AND IMPACTED COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN.

THE INTENT IS EQUAL REPRESENTATION AROUND THE TABLE FOR FACILITATED DISCUSSION, AND THE MEETINGS WILL BE IN PERSON AND OPEN TO PUBLIC VIEWING.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND SO, RIGHTLINE PLANS TO HOLD FOUR WORKSHOPS.

THE FIRST IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 7TH, AND IT WILL COVER ELECTRICITY 1 0 1 AUSTIN ENERGY'S MISSION, AND THE STAKEHOLDERS DEFINITIONS FOR EACH COMPONENT, SHARED VALUE, DISCUSSION, AND FUNDAMENTALS OF BUILDING A GENERATION PLAN.

THE NEXT ONES WILL BUILD OFF OF THAT IN AN ITERATIVE WAY, AND EACH WILL HAVE ITS OWN OUTCOME.

LIFELINE IS PLANNING ROUGHLY ONE WORKSHOP PER MONTH, BUT THESE MAY SHIFT A BIT.

THE TEAM IS LOOKING AT THE HOLISTIC SCHEDULE AND ADAPTING AS NECESSARY.

UM, OUR ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE, OUR ULTIMATE TIMELINE OBJECTIVE IS TO BRING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT BEFORE THE END OF CALENDAR YEAR 2024.

AND, UH, THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY PRE PRE PREPARED SLIDES FOR TONIGHT, BUT I DO, UM, WANT TO NOTE THAT SEVERAL MEMBERS ON THIS COMMISSION SERVED ON THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION WORKING GROUP.

I WANNA JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK YOU PUT TOGETHER AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION THAT WE'LL BE SCHEDULING A TECHNICAL MEETING WITH YOU TO REVIEW YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

WE, UM, WILL PROVIDE A DATE TO EUC BY THE NEXT MEETING.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COMMISSIONER ROBBINS.

UM, I MAY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS LATER, BUT I HAVE ONE FOR NOW.

UM, WHERE DID THE IDEA FOR THIS COME FROM, THE EUC, THE CITY COUNCIL, AUSTIN ENERGY, WHO, UH, WHO THUNKED THIS UP? THIS WHAT'S, YEAH, WHAT'S THE IT WHO'S, UH, THE, UH, COMMUNITY PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE SPENT ALL THIS TIME DESCRIBING? GOT IT.

UM, SO AUSTIN ENERGY STEPPED BACK AND REALIZED THAT WE DIDN'T WANNA BRING TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS TO THE, TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED TO RESET.

AND THEN WE STOPPED AND SAID, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED WAS THAT WE WEREN'T ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE WEREN'T ENGAGING WITH THE EUC WORKING GROUP, WHICH HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE, UH, WE COLLECTIVELY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS PATH FORWARD US IN ENERGY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

.

COMMISSIONER DAVIS.

THANK YOU MS. MARTIN, FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

UM, ARE THE FOUR WORKSHOPS, UH, THAT WILL BE CONDUCTED OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR PARTICIPATION OR JUST LISTENING? YEAH, THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR LISTENING, FOR VIEWING AND LISTENING.

AND THE PARTIES SITTING AT THE TABLE WILL BE INVITED PARTICIPANTS WHO WILL BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE VARIOUS WORKSHOPS.

AND, UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN PURPOSEFULLY IDENTIFIED TO BRING, UH, REPRESENT THOSE FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT.

OKAY.

AND YOU SAID THERE WERE LIKE FIVE TO SEVEN INDIVIDUALS FOR EACH OF THOSE FOUR AREAS? YES, MA'AM.

AND THEY WERE SELECTED.

HOW, AND ARE WE ABLE TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE? SO I, THEY WERE SELECTED.

UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RIF LINE DOES, THAT'S PART OF THEIR SCOPE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT LIST IS FINALIZED YET, BUT CERTAINLY THEY WILL BE KNOWN ONCE THOSE MEETINGS BEGIN.

UM, I WILL HAVE TO CHECK IN WITH, UH, RIF LINE TO IDENTIFY CURRENT STATUS.

WE, THEY ASKED FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE EUC WHO ALSO MADE RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? RIGHT.

THEY ASKED FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE EUC WHO ALSO MADE RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S WHAT MS. EVERHART SAID WITHOUT THE LINK.

THANK YOU, .

UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THE, THE FOURTH AREA YOU SAID WAS DEMOGRAPHICS AND GEOGRAPHY.

IS THAT SORT OF A SUBSTITUTE FOR EQUITY? OR HOW WAS EQUITY FACTORED INTO THIS SELECTION OF PARTICIPANTS? SO, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK, UH, LINDA RIF DIRECTLY, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IN OBSERVING HER ENGAGING WITH THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION, UH, SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS SPOKE ABOUT SAYING, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE ON THIS.

YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE SENIOR CITIZENS ON, THEY'RE AFFECTED VERY DIFFERENTLY.

RIGHT.

AND THEY WILL HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS AND THOUGHTS.

UM, AND SO THEN SHE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT ABOUT, UM, COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT, UH, PART OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, BUT WE, THEY'RE SERVED AS CUSTOMERS OF AUSTIN ENERGY, SO THEY'RE WITHIN OUR SERVICE TERRITORY.

AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT ANOTHER WAY, I MEAN, IN MY VIEW, THAT IS ONE WAY OF STARTING

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TO GATHER THE EQUITY COMPONENTS.

I THINK, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT ONE OF THE SHARED COMMUNITY VALUES IS EQUITY.

AND SO I'VE BEEN SAYING, I THINK THAT'S GONNA COME OUT PRETTY LOUD AND STRONG IN THESE WORKSHOPS, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY OFFERS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM, OH, I SEE SHANE'S HAND UP THERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

MY GIANT, YOU KNOW, FACE ON THE SCREEN, THAT LOOKS LIKE A, A DEMI GOD IN A WEIRD WAY.

UM, SO YEAH, I, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL.

AND FOR TRANSPARENCY'S SAKE, I, I WILL BE, I AM GONNA BE ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS, I BELIEVE PROBABLY REPRESENTING SUSTAINABILITY THROUGH CR CLUB, NOT REPRESENTING THE RMC TO BE CLEAR.

UM, BUT, UH, SO YEAH, I HAD PREVIOUSLY HEARD THESE WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, FOR VIEWING.

UM, I WANTED TO SEE, UH, IF THERE WAS PROGRESS OR, UM, MOVEMENT ON A QUESTION THAT SOME OTHER POTENTIAL PARTICIPANTS HAD BROUGHT UP OF, WILL THERE BE A VIRTUAL OPTION FOR PARTICIPANTS OR FOR MEMBERS OF THE WORKSHOP AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE THROUGH.

I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND CENTERING OUR EQUITY PRINCIPLES.

UM, AND, UH, WILL, WILL THERE BE RECORDINGS OF THIS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A, A COMMISSION OR, OR CITY BODY? I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL AS WELL FOR ACCESSIBILITY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

I WILL TAKE THEM BACK TO LIFELINE AND, UM, COME SEE WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE, MAKE SURE WE CAN GET 'EM BACK TO YOU.

THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON THE, ON THE GROUP.

COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, I AM GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THIS BRIEF AND TRY AND MAKE IT, IF POINTED, AT LEAST TRY AND, UH, BE CIVIL ABOUT IT.

I KNOW LINDA RIFE AND SHE'S A VERY PROFESSIONAL PERSON, AND, UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT CONCERNS ME.

WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT THERE'S A PERCEPTION ON MY PART OF NON OBJECTIVITY BECAUSE I, AND I, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING DURING THE ELECTRIC RATE CASE, WHEN AUSTIN ENERGY SHOWS AND HIRED THE, UH, THE HEARINGS EXAMINER.

UH, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A HEARINGS EXAMINER AND ALL THAT, BUT FOR THE UTILITY TO CHOOSE ITS OWN JUDGE JUST DIDN'T, IT NEVER SEEMED RIGHT TO ME.

AND SOMEHOW THE UTILITY CHOOSING SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO BE OBJECTIVE, I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M SORRY, UH, MS. MARTIN, BUT TO ME IT WOULD SEEM BETTER IF, UH, SHE WAS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE, UM, CITY AUDITOR OR SOMEONE WHO WAS A THIRD PARTY.

THAT'S MY COMMENT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM YES, COMMISSIONER FARMER.

OKAY.

UM, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT LIKE OUR, UH, LIKE THE RMCS UH, INTERACTION WITH THIS PROCESS.

I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE EOC WILL BE INFORMED AND REGULARLY UPDATED, BUT THEN YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US, SO TO SOME EXTENT WE'RE INVOLVED, BUT JUST WANTED TO GET CLARITY ON THAT.

YEAH, SO, UM, THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION THAT DIRECTED US TO UPDATE THE PLAN, UM, TELLS US TO WORK WITH THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL QUESTIONS FROM THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION.

WE KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS, AND SO I'M, UH, COMMITTED TO COMING BACK AND KEEPING YOU INFORMED.

UM, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE OR, YOU KNOW, COME TO THE EUC MEETINGS AS WELL, UM, AS ALWAYS.

BUT, UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST A COURTESY FOR US TO COME TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THIS DURING YOUR TIMEFRAME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? THERE BEING NONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UH, RETURNING TO OUR PACKETS, WE'LL GO BACK NOW TO ITEM

[3. Approve a recommendation to amend the Resource Management Commission bylaws to include review of and advising on all matters related to natural gas companies that serve customers within the City of Austin, including franchise agreements, rates, and conservation programs.]

NUMBER THREE, APPROVE A RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT

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COMMISSION BY TO AMEND THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION BYLAWS.

UM, WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE TODAY? UH, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, UM, COMMISSION.

UH, THIS IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

UH, IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, OUR COMMISSION PASSED A RESOLUTION ASKING COUNSEL TO EXPAND ITS PURVIEW, UH, TO LOOK AT ALL ISSUES CONCERNING GAS UTILITIES OPERATING IN THE CITY, INCLUDING RATES, FRANCHISES, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AND CONSUMER ISSUES.

UH, AND I DID NOT REALIZE AT THE TIME THAT, UH, THERE NEEDED TO BE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION TO AMEND OUR BYLAWS.

IF WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION, UH, THESE PROPOSED AMENDED BYLAWS, WE'LL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S AUDIT COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW AND HOPE FOR ACCEPTANCE.

UM, AND SO I'M ASKING US TO COMPLETE WHAT, UH, WE DIDN'T COMPLETE IN 2023 AND, UH, SEND THIS ON TO CITY COUNCIL IN A MORE OFFICIAL FORM.

IF YOU LOOKED AT THE AMENDMENTS, UM, THESE ARE PROPOSALS WHEN THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND CITY LEGAL GET THEM, THEY MAY REWORD IT.

SO, AND I MEAN, THESE ARE ARE DRAFTS, UH, BUT, UH, THEY'RE THE BEST I COULD DO, UH, GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND LEGAL MIGHT DO.

UH, WITH THAT, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, COMMISSIONERS MIGHT HAVE ON THIS.

COMMISSIONER DAVIS CAN THANK YOU.

UM, VICE CHAIR BINS.

CAN WE BRING THE, THE DRAFT UP ONTO THE SCREEN? HE TOOK, HE'S .

OKAY.

, UH, I HAVE A PAPER COPY.

THANK YOU.

I, I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

UM, BUT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF OTHERS, I DO HAVE, UM, ONE QUESTION.

I NOTICE THAT THE BYLAWS ARE AMENDED IN THE SECTIONS FOR, UM, REVIEW D REVIEWING AND ANALYZING, AND E ADVISING ON NATURAL GAS UTILITY MATTERS ISSUES CONCERNING NATIONAL GAS UTILITIES, INCLUDING FAIR AND EQUITABLE RATES.

BUT THERE ARE NO RED LINES IN THE SECTION A, WHICH IS EXPLICITLY, UM, EXCLUDES NATURAL GAS.

SO I JUST WONDER IF THAT WAS DELIBERATE OR AN OVERSIGHT, IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.

UM, WELL, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I GOT THIS.

WE CAN'T AMEND THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT TO REFER TO NATURAL GAS ELECTRIC GENERATION, WHICH IS WHY I, UH, I BLANKED IT OUT.

BUT IF YOU, UH, WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

NO, I JUST WANTED A CLARIFICATION.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHY I DID IT THAT WAY.

UH, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

THAT'S MY LINE.

PAUL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I SO MOVE THAT WE PASS THIS ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR, UH, TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

SECOND MOTIONS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN.

WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL.

VOTE PEOPLE AT HOME.

PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERAS.

COMMISSIONER ROBBINS? YES.

COMMISSIONER DAVIS.

YES.

COMMISSIONER FARMER? YES.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? YES.

COMMISSIONER STI? YES.

COMMISSIONER STI? YES.

OKAY.

YES.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN? YES.

AND THE CHAIR WILL VOTE YES.

THIS PASSES 8 0 0.

THANK YOU, LUKE.

THANK

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YOU, LUKE.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY NO SKIN OFF OF MY BACK, SIR.

UH, MOVING ON

[4. Approve a recommendation in support of certain Environmental Investment Plan recommendations approved by the Joint Sustainability Committee.]

IN OUR AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, APPROVING A RECOMMENDATION, SUPPORT OF CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER DAVIS'S, UH, UH, RESOLUTION, SO I'LL LET YOU TAKE THE FLOOR.

YES, THANK YOU.

UH, AS I MENTIONED LAST MONTH, THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE IN APRIL APPROVED A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR INVESTMENTS INTO, UM, WHAT IS CALLED AN ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN.

AND THE OBJECTIVE OF THAT WAS, UH, TO CLOSE THE GAP BETWEEN OUR CURRENT TRAJECTORY AND WHAT IS REALLY NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THE VERY NUMEROUS AMBITIOUS GOALS OF THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN AND NUMEROUS OTHER PLANS, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS.

UM, THE IDEA THERE, THE, WHAT THE JSC WAS TASKED WITH WAS TO GO BEYOND, UM, BUSINESS AS USUAL SPENDING OR INCREMENTAL SPENDING THAT MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT OF, OF INCREMENTAL PROGRESS AND REALLY KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SWING FOR THE FENCES.

UM, SO THERE WERE, AS I MENTIONED, ABOUT 33 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PASSED.

IT WAS, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR BACKUP.

UM, IT'S VERY LONG, BUT NINE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS DEAL WITH ITEMS THAT, UM, FALL UNDER THE SCOPE OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, UH, COMMISSION CONCERNING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, RENEWABLE ENERGY CONSERVATION.

UM, AND SO MY THOUGHT IN BRINGING THIS HERE TO THIS BODY TONIGHT WAS TO, UH, HAVE A DISCUSSION TO AROUND THESE ITEMS AND POTENTIALLY A, UH, A MOVE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, SEEKING FUNDING, UH, FOR THESE AREAS.

UM, THE, THE COUNCIL WILL BE HOLDING A, UM, PUBLIC HEARING AT THEIR NEXT MEETING ON MAY 30TH.

AND THIS IS, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS, UH, THIS ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN.

AND, UM, I, I DID CIRCULATE A DRAFT OF THIS RESOLUTION EARLIER, UH, IN THE WEEK.

AND, UM, AFTER REQUESTING INPUT FROM BOTH AUSTIN ENERGY, AUSTIN WATER, AND, AND SITTING DOWN WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF AUSTIN ENERGY'S, UH, CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS TEAM, I DID REVISE THAT, UH, RESOLUTION TO THE ONE THAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY.

UM, I TOOK OUT THE, UM, UH, FIND THE, THE FUNDING FIGURES, THE INVESTMENT FIGURES.

UM, THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY, UM, FINAL.

THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME WORK BEING DONE, UH, BEHIND THE SCENES, BOTH ON, UH, THE STAFF SIDE AND, UM, AND THE JSC SIDE.

BUT MY THOUGHT WAS THAT IF, UM, WE AS A BODY CAN SAY THAT WE ARE IN, IN FAVOR OF AUSTIN ENERGY, EXPANDING ENERGY EFFICIENCY, DEMAND RESPONSE, INVESTING IN BATTERY STORAGE, UM, AND SO ON, THEN THIS COULD BE A, UM, A VOTE IN SUPPORT OF, UM, IDENTIFYING WAYS TO, TO FUND MORE INVESTMENT IN THESE AREAS.

SO I'M HAPPY TO, TO, TO DISCUSS EACH OF THESE ONE BY ONE IF FOLKS LIKE, OR, UM, WE CAN TALK IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS.

UH, I'M, I'M OPEN TO COMMENTS AND, AND FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU.

SO I'LL, I'LL ASK ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK.

SO, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS JUST, WE, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY CASTING A VISION OF WHAT THINGS SHOULD LIKE LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

SO WE'RE ASSUMING, ESSENTIALLY THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT BUDGETARY ISSUES OR WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS YET, UM, I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT WORD.

LIKE IF THE TECHNOLOGY IS MATURE ENOUGH YET, WE'RE JUST SAYING THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD BE POINTING.

IS THAT REALLY WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS SAYING? YES, IT IS.

OKAY.

THAT'S A GREAT WAY OF PUTTING IT, BECAUSE I, I TOO HAD PROBLEMS WITH THOSE NUMBERS WHEN I SAW THEM IN THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, AND I WAS, OKAY, SO THAT'S FINE.

THERE.

ANY OTHER, COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, UM, THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE ON THIS.

IT'S A GREAT LIST AND A GREAT SET OF PRIORITIES FOR THIS COMMISSION.

UM, WITH RESPECT TO ITEM ONE, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ADD, UM, ATTIC INSULATION ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS, BECAUSE BUILDING ENVELOPE IMPROVEMENT DOESN'T USUALLY CON AD ADDRESS ATTIC INSULATION, WHICH IS PARTICULARLY VALUABLE EVEN IN HEAT, HEAT CONDITIONS.

AND FOR ITEM EIGHT, I SUPPORT, AS YOU KNOW, FROM MY GRIPING ABOUT IT AT THE LAST

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MEETING, I FULLY SUPPORT INVESTING IN LEAK DETECTION, BUT I'D EVEN BETTER LIKE TO INVEST IN FIXING LEAKS.

AND, AND THIS ONLY DOES THE FIRST HALF, NOT THE ACTION REMEDIAL PART OF THAT JOB.

SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER MODIFYING ITEM EIGHT TO INCLUDE ACTUAL INVESTMENT IN LEAK FIXING, FIXING, OR WHATEVER THAT GIVE ME THE VERB.

BUT YES, THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, APPRECIATE IT.

THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE, I THINK THOSE ARE EXCELLENT SUGGESTIONS.

UH, I CONSIDER THOSE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, UH, MOCK THAT UP IF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAVE TIME FOR THAT AND COMMISSIONER ROBBINS SIMPLY, UH, LEAK DETECTION AND REPAIR PROGRAMS, UM, UM, IS, CAN I, CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING OR DO I NEED TO GET BACK IN LINE? YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE FLOOR.

PLEASE CONTINUE, SIR.

UM, COMMISSIONER DAVIS, UM, UH, I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU OFFLINE, AND I DON'T REALLY CARE IF WE PUT IT IN AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR YOU JUST PASS IT ON TO THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE.

BUT THEY'RE REALLY DEALING WITH ONLY HALF OR A QUARTER OF THE PROBLEM.

LEAK DETECTION AND REPAIR IS GREAT, BUT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THE BEST MATERIALS IN THE GROUND TO BEGIN WITH, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND OR REPAIR THE LEAKS.

UH, AND I, UH, GAVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF, OF, UH, TOKYO, WHICH HAS A 3% LEAKAGE RATE, WHICH IS PROFOUNDLY LOW IN WATER UTILITIES BECAUSE, UH, THEY NOT ONLY HAVE LEAK DETECTION AND REPAIR, BUT THEY HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY OVER A PERIOD OF DECADES TO USE THE BEST, MOST LONG-LIVED MATERIALS, UH, TO PREVENT AS MANY LEAKS AS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS A CHALLENGE, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, DUE TO, UH, THE WAY WATER UTILITIES WORK, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY EARTHQUAKE PRONE, UH, AREA.

SO IMAGINE 3% LEAKAGE WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF EARTHQUAKES THAT SAYS A LOT.

UH, AGAIN, I, I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO AMEND THIS OR NOT, UH, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE YOU AT LEAST TO PASS THE MESSAGE ALONG THAT WE SHOULD ALSO LOOK AT THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

UM, SUGGESTION.

AND I, I WOULD SAY, UM, IT, IT MAY MERIT ITS OWN ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION AT, UH, JSC OR EVEN, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER.

WE HAVE A, A CALL, UH, A COMMITTEE MEMBER ON THE JSC THAT SITS, ALSO SITS ON WATER AND WASTEWATER.

SO THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BROUGHT UP THERE AT BOTH OF THOSE, THOSE PLACES.

SO THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS YOU GUYS WANTED TO TRY TO SUSS OUT.

MAY, MAY, I MAY I TRY, .

OKAY.

SO FOR, UM, THE FIRST ONE ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS, COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, UH, SUGGESTED ADDING ATTIC INSULATION.

WOULD THIS SUFFICE? MORE INVESTMENT IS NEEDED TO IMPROVE BUILDING ENVELOPES, ATTICS, INSULATION, AND AIR SEALING.

AND, OKAY.

SO I WILL IN, UH, INCLUDE THAT.

AND THEN ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, INVESTMENTS IN WATER LEAK AUTO AUSTIN WATER SHOULD INCREASE ITS ANNUAL DETECTION AND REPAIR BUDGET ADDED AND REPAIR.

OKAY.

IF I MAY, YOU MIGHT CHANGE THE TITLE OF ITEM EIGHT TO INCLUDE LEAK DETECTION AND REPAIR PROGRAMS. THANK YOU.

SO NOTED.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT, AND I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A SECOND, BUT WE'LL GET THERE.

SO I HAVE IN ITEM NUMBER ONE AFTER THE WORD ENVELOPES, ATTICS, INSULATION, AND THEN THE REST.

THEN I COME ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IN THE, IN THE HEADLINE WHERE AFTER THE WORD DETECTION WE'RE PUTTING AND REPAIR, AND THEN IN THE BODY AFTER THE WORD DETECTION, WE'RE PUTTING AND REPAIR AGAIN.

IS

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THAT CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

SO THAT IS YOUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

BEAUTIFUL.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN.

UH, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION OR CAN WE JUST DO THIS BY, UH, UNANIMOUS CONSENT SINCE WE DON'T DO ACCLAMATION? 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA APPLAUD SEEING .

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER STA UH, SEEMS THERE ARE NO OBJECTION.

WE'LL CONSIDER THOSE BE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS AND WE'LL MOVE ON.

SO WE'VE PASSED THE AMENDMENTS, BUT NOT THE, THE RESOLUTION, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I SO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.

SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS, AS AMENDED AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN.

SO WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.

FOR THOSE OF YOU AT HOME, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERAS AND I AM OVER FOR THIS ONE.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS? YES.

COMMISSIONER DAVIS? YES.

COMMISSIONER FARMER? YES.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? YES.

COMMISSIONER TI? YES.

COMMISSIONER S SCAFF? YES.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN? YES.

AND STONE WILL ALSO VOTE? YES.

THAT IS 8 0 0.

MOVING ON INTO OUR AGENDAS, JUST MAKING SURE I DIDN'T SKIP ANYTHING.

I DID NOT.

OKAY.

UH, ITEM NUMBER

[5. Approve a recommendation on repurposing the GreenChoice Program and increasing dispatchable renewable energy.]

FIVE, IN YOUR PACKET, I APPROVING A RECOMMENDATION ON REPURPOSING GREEN CHOICE PROGRAM AND INCREASING DISPATCHABLE RENEWABLE ENERGY.

UH, THIS IS, UH, PROPOSAL FROM THE VICE CHAIR, SO I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO HIM FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, UH, MS. GOODWIN, COULD YOU PLEASE CUE THE PRESENTATION? DO YOU, DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT TILL YOU, YOU'RE BACK? NO, I'VE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE.

? UH, I HAVE A PRESENTATION, A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER S CITI, UH, THIS IS A PRIMER.

UM, YOU'VE MISSED THE LAST FEW MEETINGS AND I TAKE NO ONE FOR GRANTED.

SO THIS SHORT PRESENTATION IS, UH, A PRIMER FOR YOU.

UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL UNDERSTAND IT.

UH, OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSION.

I'M ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF A RESOLUTION ASKING COUNCIL TO REPURPOSE THE CITY'S GREEN CHOICE REVENUE INTO A PROGRAM THAT WILL SUPPORT DISPATCHABLE RENEWABLE ENERGY SLIDE.

AUSTIN ENERGY BEGAN ITS AWARD-WINNING PROGRAM IN 2001 TO ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO VIRTUALLY BUY 100% GREEN POWER.

ITS INCREASED REVENUE HELPED THE UTILITY JUSTIFY THE PURCHASE OF MORE WIND POWER.

UH, IN 2022, UH, THERE WERE 984 MILLION KILOWATT HOURS SOLD, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT 7% OF TOTAL AUSTIN ENERGY CONSUMPTION, ABOUT $7.4 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM GREEN CHOICE, AND ABOUT 28,000, UH, SUBSCRIBERS, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT 5% OF THE CUSTOMER BASE SLIDE.

UH, THE UTILITY HAS INCREASED ITS SHARE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY FROM LESS THAN 1% IN THE YEAR 2000 TO 51% IN 2023 SLIDE.

AND IT HAS A GOAL OF REACHING 80% BY 2035 SLIDE.

AND THIS PROMPTS THE QUESTION, WHY SHOULD WE ASK CUSTOMERS TO PAY MORE FOR WHAT THE UTILITY IS DOING ANYWAY, SLIDE A, UH, GETTING RENEWABLE ENERGY IS NO LONGER THE CHALLENGE.

INSTEAD, THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE IS USING THE ENERGY WHEN IT IS NEEDED, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS DISPATCHABILITY.

HERE IS A GRAPH OF A PERCENTAGE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY ON THE ERCOT GRID.

IN THE HOT AUGUST OF, UM, 2023, UH, IT RANGED FROM 48% HIGH TO AS LOW AS 3% AT ITS LOWEST SLIDE.

UH,

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DISPATCHABILITY IS THE ACHILLES HEEL OF CLEAN ENERGY, AND IT IS NOT A SECRET.

IT WAS THE BANNER STORY HEADLINE IN, UH, THIS AUSTIN AMERICAN STATESMAN STORY IN MARCH SLIDE.

SO LET'S TAKE THE $7.4 MILLION A YEAR AND REPURPOSE IT TO FUND DISPATCHABLE ENERGY PROJECTS.

NOW, THIS IS JUST ONE IDEA.

IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.

LET'S LEVERAGE THE FUNDS WITH OTHER UTILITIES, PUBLIC ENTITIES, NONPROFITS, AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR SLIDE.

AND I VIEW THIS AS POSSIBLY MORE THAN JUST A PIONEERING EFFORT UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

DISPATCHABLE RENEWABLE ENERGY WITH STORAGE MIGHT ACTUALLY, OR EXCUSE ME, LET ME REPHRASE.

UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, DISPATCHABLE RENEWABLE ENERGY OR, UH, INTERMITTENT RENEWABLE ENERGY WITH DISPATCHABLE BATTERY STORAGE MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY SLIDE.

NOW, AUSTIN ENERGY HAS CRITICIZED THIS PROPOSAL.

THEY HAVE SAID ONE, THAT IT ALLOWS CUSTOMERS THAT GREEN CHOICE ALLOWS CUSTOMERS TO PURCHASE 100% WIND.

TWO, THAT A CUSTOMER SATISFACTION S SURVEY SHOWED PARTICIPANTS WERE HAPPY WITH CURRENT PROGRAM.

AND THREE, THAT THE PROGRAM IS NOT MAKING MONEY AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF A FLAWED STRUCTURE.

AND MY RESPONSE IS SLIDE ONE.

THERE IS NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD RUNNING ON ANYTHING CLOSE TO 100% RENEWABLE, UH, RENEWABLE, INTERMITTENT WIND OR SOLAR ENERGY.

UH, AND I'VE, I'VE LOOKED HIGH AND LOW.

UH, TWO, THERE HAS BEEN NO SURVEY CONDUCTED ASKING GREEN CHOICE PARTICIPANTS IF THEY WANT DISPATCHABLE RENEWABLE ENERGY OR IF THEY WANT AN ALTERNATIVE PROGRAM.

AND THREE, THE GREEN CHOICE REVENUE SHORTFALL IS BEING CORRECTED AND PHASED IN SLIDE.

SO IN CLOSING, GOOD PROGRAMS ADAPT MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY IS NO LONGER THE CHALLENGE.

DISPATCHABLE RENEWABLE ENERGY IS THE NEW CHALLENGE.

DON'T BE AFRAID TO CHANGE.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER STI, THANKS FOR THE SUMMARY.

UH, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS HERE.

SO, UM, WHEN WE FIRST DISCUSSED THIS, I DIDN'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE.

I THINK I KIND OF CAME AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND GOT THE DETAIL I WAS LOOKING FOR.

I JUST WANTED TO READ WHAT THE QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO ONE QUESTION I ASKED.

UM, UH, IF GREEN CHOICE WAS STOPPED TOMORROW, WOULD AUSTIN ENERGY BUY MORE NON-RENEWABLE ENERGY RATHER THAN WIND ENERGY IN THE AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE LOST REVENUE OF GREEN CHOICE? CUSTOMERS? ANSWER IS NO.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A PRETTY CLEAR INDICATOR.

IT'S LIKE IT, THE, THE FOUNDATION OF THE PROGRAM UPON WHAT IT'S BUILT, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY DOING.

AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY JUST CHANGING STRUCTURALLY WHAT IT SAYS IT WILL DO, WHICH WILL GO TOWARDS ENERGY STORAGE, WHICH IS THE NEEDED, UM, WHICH IS THE NEEDED ASPECT NOW.

SO I THINK IT'S A, IT, I WAS SORT OF, YEAH, NO SLASH DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS ONE, BUT I I, I'VE TOTALLY COME AROUND AND I THINK THAT THIS MAKES, MAKES SENSE THE WAY YOU'VE FRAMED IT.

UM, THANK YOU.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER.

SORRY, VICE CHAIR, I DUNNO WHY I'VE BEEN CALLING YOU COMMISSIONER TONIGHT.

I APOLOGIZE.

UM, MY, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS CHANGING THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY INVESTING IN THESE RENEWABLES, WIND, SOLAR, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IS THAT COMPATIBLE WITH ESG INVESTING GOALS THAT YOUR CORPORATE CLIENTS OF THE PROGRAM MIGHT HAVE? IN MY OPINION, IT IS, BUT OF COURSE, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THOSE, UH, PEOPLE, FOR THOSE COMPANIES, FOR THOSE AGENCIES.

UH, IT IS MY PERCEPTION THAT, UH, THIS WOULD FIT THEIR GOAL.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SWITCHING FROM THEORETICALLY, VIRTUALLY 100% WIND POWER TO, UH, WIND

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POWER WITH STORAGE OR GEOTHERMAL ENERGY THAT DOESN'T NEED STORAGE, THEN IT KIND OF, THE, IT IT SHOULD MEET THEIR ESG GOALS.

COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN? UM, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

I'M NOT GONNA PRETEND TO HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER, BUT I WILL NOTE THAT THE CURRENT ALL OF AUSTIN ENERGY'S CURRENT RENEWABLE PURCHASES RETIRE RECS, AND IT IS THE REC RETIREMENT THAT CONSTITUTES THE ESG PROOF THAT THEY'RE REALLY SELLING WITH GREEN ENERGY, WITH GREEN CHOICE TO INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS.

AND, UM, IT IS CLEAR THAT HAVING MORE DISPATCHABLE STORAGE, IF WE, I, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME DIGGING INTO WHETHER HAVING STORAGE THAT IS CHARGED WITH RENEWABLES SATISFIES AN ESG GOAL.

'CAUSE THE RENEWABLES THAT THE STORAGE ITSELF WOULD NOT BE EARNING WRECKS OR RETI, OR IT WILL BE RETIRING WRECKS, I GUESS.

BUT, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO A COUPLE OF SIG MAJOR INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS TO FIND OUT IF IT MEETS THEIR ESG GOALS.

BUT IF I MAY, I WANT TO, UM, COMPLIMENT MY COLLEAGUE, VICE CHAIR ROBBINS.

SPEAKING OF ADAPTING, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION FOR I THINK EIGHT MONTHS NOW, OR THIS, THIS PROPOSAL HAS DONE SOME SIGNIFICANT ADAPTING OVER TIME AND, AND IT'S GETTING BETTER, UM, EVERY TIME.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CLA COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, THIS RESOLUTION GOES BEFORE COUNSEL.

WHAT ACTION DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO TAKE AS A RESULT OF SEEING THIS? WELL, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD FALL ON THEIR KNEES, BUT BARRING THAT, UM, I, UM, I THINK THAT I AM PROPOSING AN IDEA THAT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO CONGEAL AND GETTING IT TO COUNCIL IS THE FIRST STEP.

UH, AND SUBSEQUENT ITERATIONS OF THIS, UH, WE, WE WILL HOPEFULLY GET DOWN INTO THE WEEDS.

AUSTIN ENERGY, UH, HAS ACTUALLY BEEN RESEARCHING SOME IDEAS, WHICH I WILL NOT DISMISS OUT OF HAND THAT GO IN THIS DIRECTION.

I'VE GOT SOME IDEAS.

OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION AND OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR CITY MAY HAVE SOME IDEAS.

AND, UH, SO I EXPECT THIS TO BE SORT OF A, A PARDON A CLICHE KICKOFF.

UH, THIS ISN'T THE END GAME.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

OKAY.

SO THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE IF I AM A MEMBER OF COUNCIL OR WHATEVER, SUPERIOR BODY AND WHATEVER KIND OF AN ORGANIZATION IS, AND I USE THE COMMERCIAL CONTEXT, 'CAUSE THAT'S MY BACKGROUND, IS I GET A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS.

I CANNOT SAY YES TO THIS BECAUSE IT ESSENTIALLY SAYS, TAKE THIS MONEY AND PUT IT OVER HERE WITH NO ACTUAL OUTLINE OF A PLAN.

THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING STEP ONE, STEP TWO, STEP THREE.

IT'S NOT SAYING WE ARE FORMING A PARTNERSHIP WITH EUC, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE AND THREE AND WE'RE GONNA BRING ON A FEW PEOPLE FROM AUSTIN ENERGY AND WE'RE GONNA BRING IN AN INVESTMENT PERSON.

THE, THE DETAIL ISN'T HERE.

AND WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

SO IF I AM SITTING ON COUNCIL AND I AM LOOKING AT THIS RESOLUTION, I SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.

AND IT IS NOBLE.

WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WAYS TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE RENEWABLE DISPATCHABLE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T HAVE SOMETHING, I I CAN'T JUST VOTE FOR THIS AND SAY SURE.

BECAUSE I, I'VE ESSENTIALLY LEFT MYSELF IN A LIMBO.

THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN COMES FROM.

IT'S A GOOD CONCERN, BUT I THINK AT THIS STAGE IT IS OVER CAUTIOUS.

UH, WE JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO PASSED A RESOLUTION CHAMPION BY COMMISSIONER DAVIS.

UH, THERE ARE NOT, THAT ARE A LOT OF SPECIFICS THAT WERE NOT IN THAT.

AND WHEN IT GETS TO COUNCIL, EVEN THOSE SPECIFICS THAT THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION, UH, PUT IN THEIR RESOLUTIONS

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WILL BE CHANGED.

THIS IS AN ITERATIVE, UH, PR