[CALL TO ORDER]
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IT'S TUESDAY, JUNE 4TH AT 6:06 PM AND I'M GONNA CALL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED, UH, MEETING OF THE URBAN CITY OF AUSTIN URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION TO ORDER.
UM, OUR FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ALWAYS, IS THE, UH, UM, WE DO HAVE QUORUM, UM, WITH THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, IN PERSON HERE AT THE PROFESSION PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER, AS WELL AS ONLINE.
UM, OUR FIRST ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ON GENERAL ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, UH, FOLKS HERE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION TODAY? NO.
[1. Approve the minutes of the Urban Transportation Commission REGULAR MEETING on May 7, 2024. ]
WE'RE GONNA GO INTO OUR MINUTES COMMISSIONERS.UH, WE YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, UH, AND ON PAPER OR ONLINE, IF YOU'RE ATTENDING ONLINE, UM, THE, UH, AGENDA, OR EXCUSE ME, MINUTES, DRAFT MINUTES FROM OUR TUESDAY, MAY 7TH, 2024 MEETING.
UM, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION OR POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO THE A MINUTES? GREAT, HEATHER? HI.
AND, UH, IF THERE IS A NOTE THAT I, UM, MADE A SECOND MOTION MORE THAN ONCE.
I DON'T REMEMBER DOING THAT MINUTES.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXERCISE, SO I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT, BUT OTHERWISE I HAVE NO, OKAY.
CAN YOU, AND THAT'S UNDER, IS THAT UNDER ON THE MINUTES ITEM SIX, THERE WERE WHERE WE HAD AMENDMENTS? YEAH.
I, I DO REMEMBER, I, UM, TRIS, I THINK YOU SECONDED MY MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
UH, THERE IS AN AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT RECONSIDERATION.
I THINK I DID COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER.
I THINK I DID SECOND THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT, UM, TO THE MINUTES, IF WE COULD JUST MAKE THAT CORRECTION THERE.
DID, DID YOU GET THAT, NATALIE? I DID.
UM, I REVIEWED THAT LIKE SIX TIMES.
I, I THEN I'M WILLING TO TRUST YOU THEN.
I, IT WAS A LOT TO EVEN WRITE ALL OF THIS ON ITEM SIX THAT YOU DID.
SO, SORRY, THOSE WHO WEREN'T HERE, YOU REALLY MISSED OUT.
I, I REVIEWED IT SIX TIMES AND I SENT IT TO FOUR DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO REVIEW FOR ME.
I'M GONNA TRUST THAT YOU'RE RIGHT AND WE'RE WRONG.
SO, UM, IF EVERYONE ELSE TRUSTS THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T, YOU CAN SAY SO, BUT I THINK, UM, I'M GONNA CALL FOR THE VOTE WITH THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES, UH, I, I SEE THAT IS UNANIMOUS OF THOSE IN ATTENDANCE.
[2. Urban Trails and Sidewalk Program updates]
SO WE HAVE, UM, A FAIRLY SHORT AGENDA TODAY.WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSION ITEM, UH, NO ACTION, UH, OR DRAFT POST-IT FOR THAT.
SO WE'LL TAKE THAT UP RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S ITEM TWO, THE URBAN TRAILS AND SIDEWALK PROGRAM UPDATES FROM JUSTIN NORVELL.
UM, I'M EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT THIS, AND SINCE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WE, WE CAN JUST GO ALL NIGHT WITH QUESTIONS.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE FOR SURE.
CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? THERE WE GO.
ALRIGHT, UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
I'M JUSTIN ORVILLE WITH THE SIDEWALKS AND URBAN TRAILS DIVISION AND FOR TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
AND I'M HERE TO, UH, PROVIDE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE, UH, SIDEWALK PROGRAM AND THE URBAN TRAILS PROGRAM.
AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, AND I'M, I THINK I'M ALSO JOINED ONLINE BY LAURA DEERFIELD WITH OUR ACTIVE, UH, TRANSPORTATION GROUP IS GONNA BE, UH, PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, INPUT ON THE SEE HOME MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME FOR, FOR Q AND A.
SO, UH, TODAY'S PRESENTATION, UH, I'M GONNA HIT NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO, TODAY'S PRESENTATION COVERS THE PROGRESS AUSTIN IS MAKING IN ITS SIDEWALK AND URBAN TRAILS NETWORK.
UM, UH, BUT WE'D LIKE TO START BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THAT'S A REALLY RESULT OF GREAT PLANNING AND POLICY FRAMEWORK, THAT THAT'S BASICALLY MADE IT SO WE CAN HAVE A COMPACTED CONNECTED CITY WITH, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, WELL MAINTAINED INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA START BASICALLY WITH SIDEWALKS.
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IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO HAVE A LITTLE CONTEXT.AND SO HOW DID WE GET HERE? SO REALLY IT WAS LOTS OF STEPS.
UM, AND, UM, BASICALLY THE FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE, UH, THE 1991 AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT, OR THE A DA.
UM, AND, UH, THAT WAS IT WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED INTO A LAW.
UH, TITLE TWO OF THAT LAW BASICALLY REQUIRES, UH, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO, UM, AVOID DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, UH, WHEN THEY'RE PROVIDING THEIR PROGRAMS OR FACILITIES.
SO IF SOMEONE PROVIDES A PROGRAM OR A FACILITY LIKE A SIDEWALK AND IT'S NON-COMPLIANT, THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO PROVIDE, UH, A PLAN TO BRING THAT FACILITY INTO COMPLIANCE AND, UH, FOR, TO IMPLEMENT THOSE, UH, PLANS AS WELL.
UM, SO, UH, BASICALLY IN 2009, UH, WE ADOPTED AUSTIN'S FIRST A DA TRANSITION PLAN, UH, FOR SIDEWALKS.
AND, UH, IT WAS REALLY THIS PROACTIVE APPROACH TO SIDEWALK, UH, REPAIR AND, UM, AND ADDRESSING THE SIDEWALK ISSUES IN, IN THE CITY THAT HAS HELPED AUSTIN REALLY AVOID THE, UH, A DA CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS AND CONSENT DECREES THAT 140 OTHER CITIES HAVE, LIKE PORTLAND AND NASHVILLE AND LA, UM, TO MENTION A FEW, UH, AS WELL AS MANY, MANY OTHERS.
UM, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, OUR, OUR A DA TRANSITION PLAN WAS THEN UPDATED IN, UM, 2016, AND THEN AGAIN IN 2023 JUST RECENTLY.
UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, UH, BIG KUDOS TO TPW DIRECTOR MENDOZA, AS WELL AS MANY COUNCILS, UM, FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THE FUNDING COMMITMENTS AND THOSE PLANS AND, UH, AND, AND INCREASING THE, UH, OPERATION FUNDING FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS AS WELL, INCLUDING A $1 MILLION INCREASE THIS THIS YEAR.
SO, UH, WHERE ARE WE NOW? UM, AUSTIN STILL HAS A LOT OF MISSING SIDEWALKS AND A LOT OF THOSE SIDEWALKS THAT DO EXIST, UH, NEED TO BE FIXED.
UM, BUT WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND, AND REALLY AT A MUCH FASTER PACE, UH, AS COMPARABLE CITIES BASICALLY.
SO, UH, PORTLAND JUST RECENTLY, UM, UH, REPORTED ON THEIR, UH, SIDEWALK CONSENT DECREE AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS PAST YEAR.
AND THEY BASICALLY BUILT OR REPAIRED 18,000 LINEAL FEET OF SIDEWALK IN, IN, IN A YEAR.
AND, UH, BY COMPARISON, AUSTIN BUILDS A REPAIRS, UH, 20,000 LINEAL FEET OF SIDEWALK EVERY MONTH.
SO THAT'S FOUR MILES OF NEWER REHAB SIDEWALK EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
SO, UM, REALLY IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, UH, AUSTIN SIDEWALK NETWORK, SIDEWALK NETWORK HAS GROWN BY, UH, OVER 400 MILES, AND WE'VE IMPROVED HUNDREDS OF MILES OF EXISTING SIDEWALK.
UM, AND, UH, AND SO WE'RE DOING IT EQUITABLY.
UM, THANKS TO REALLY, UM, THE WORK OF, UH, THE CONSULTANTS AND STAFF AND, AND, UH, ADVOCATES TO DEVELOP THE 2009 PLAN.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, USE AN EQUITY BASED PRIORIT PRIORITIZATION MODEL FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.
AND, AND IT'S ALSO SHOWING, UM, UH, WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE 2023 PLAN, AND IT BASICALLY SHOWS BOTH THE EXTENT AND THE CONDITION OF SIDEWALKS ARE SLIGHTLY BETTER IN PLACES WITH MARGINALLY, UM, UH, HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED POPULATIONS.
UM, AND, BUT WE STILL REALLY HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO TO ACHIEVE THAT TRULY EQUITABLE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S A SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE WALKING OR ROLLING OR USING TRANSIT CAN ACCESS BOTH CONVENIENTLY AND SAFELY ALL THE SAME DESTINATIONS OF THOSE WHO ARE DRIVING.
SO, THE 2023 PLAN, UM, TAKES A PRAGMATIC AND CONTEXT SENSITIVE APPROACH, UH, TO ADDRESSING THE 1500 MILES OF ABSENT SIDEWALK.
UM, IT REALLY ENVISIONS A PEDESTRIAN NETWORK WITH SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF MOST STREETS.
AND, UH, WHILE RECOGNIZING THAT IN AREAS WITH MATURE TREES, LANDSCAPING STEEP SLOPES, THAT SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE MIGHT BE, UH, UH, ACCEPTABLE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO FOR SOME THEN LOW VOLUME TRAFFIC, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, MAYBE SHARED STREETS WOULD BE THE OPTION.
AND, AND THE, THE RIGHT SOLUTIONS, UH, THAT PROVIDES A FASTER, UH, AND MORE ECONOMIC, UH, LOWER IMPACT, UH, SOLUTION.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF, UH, IT TAKING OVER A HUNDRED YEARS TO COMPLETE THE SIDEWALK NETWORK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ENVISION, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD A SIDEWALK IN EVERY SINGLE FRONTAGE OF EVERY STREET.
WE CAN BASICALLY ENVISION A PEDESTRIAN NETWORK IN A 20 TO 30 YEAR TIMEFRAME.
SO, THE PROGRAMMATIC APPROACH IS REALLY THE KEY TO DELIVERING, UH, THE GOALS OF THE PLAN.
UH, IT ALLOWS, UH, FOR EDITOR OF CYCLE OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S BOTH FLEXIBLE AND ADAPTABLE.
UH, IT STARTS WITH UNDERSTANDING THE CONDITION OF THE NETWORK AND THEN, UH, USING THAT CONDITION ASSESSMENT TO, UH, UH, BASICALLY CREATE A SERVICE
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PLAN, UH, FOR NEW AND REHAB SIDEWALKS.AND THEN COORDINATING THAT WITH ALL THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS, UH, THAT, THAT HAVE TO, THAT THAT DEAL WITH SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN COMMUNICATING, UH, THAT PLAN TO THE, UH, STAKEHOLDERS THROUGH THE MOBILITY ANNUAL PLAN PROCESS.
UH, AND THEN ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE BUILT WITH A COMBINATION OF IN-HOUSE AND, UH, UH, UH, CONTRACT CREWS.
SO, THE COORDINATION AMONG THE PROGRAMS, UH, REALLY ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS, UH, MULTIPLE CITY PRIORITIES, UH, WITH EVERY SINGLE PROJECT.
UM, CREDIT TO NATHAN WILKES AND THE BIKEWAY PROGRAM FOR DEVELOPING THIS CHART.
UM, AND ALSO BEING, UH, A KEY CONTRIBUTOR ORGANIZER, UM, OF THE, OF ALL THE GROUPS AND PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES, UM, THAT ALLOW MICRO CHANGES TO BE BROUGHT TO, UH, MACRO SCALES BASICALLY.
AND, UH, AND THEN WE HAVE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF INTERSECTION BIKEWAY SAFE ROUTES OF SCHOOL, UM, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE THEN DEVELOPED AND REFINED AND BUILT EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
SO, UH, PROJECTS ARE BUILT USING IN INNOVATED FIELD ENGINEERING, UH, UNIT COST DELIVERY MODEL, UM, WHERE, AND IT RESULTS IN FASTER PROJECTS, UH, LOWER COST, AND, UH, LIMITED IMPACT FOR THESE, UH, STREETS SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO THIS APPROACH ALSO ALLOWS FOR SCALING.
UM, FIVE YEARS AGO, THERE WERE TYPICALLY SEVEN TO EIGHT CREWS, UM, WORKING EVERY DAY.
UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS CHECKING EARLIER, AND I THINK IT'S 27 TODAY.
SO, UH, WE GOT A LOT OF CREWS ON THE, ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM WEBSITE HAS A, UM, A WEB, UH, A WEB MAP THAT BASICALLY SHOWS ALL THE CURRENT UPCOMING PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S SHOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU CAN FILTER THAT DOWN.
AND THIS IS FILTERED DOWN TO SHOW THE, THE SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, UH, SINCE THE START OF THE FISCAL YEAR IN 24.
AND THAT'S OVER 20 MILES OF NEW AND REHAB SATELLITE PROJECTS IN JUST SIX MONTHS.
SO WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS, UH, BUT THE CITIZENS OF AUSTIN WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FASTER.
UH, CURRENTLY IT'S ABOUT $16 MILLION A YEAR.
UM, AND THE NEW SIDEWALKS, UH, GOALS IN THE PLAN IS TO ADDRESS ALL THE VERY HIGH AND HIGH PRIORITY SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND, UH, WITHIN 10 YEARS, UM, THIS WOULD REQUIRE 50% INCREASE, UH, WHERE OUR CURRENT BUDGET IS ABOUT $20 MILLION A YEAR.
SORRY, THAT WAS THE NEW SIDEWALK SLIDE.
UH, SO NOW WE'RE SWITCHING GEARS TO THE URBAN TRAILS, UH, UPDATE.
AND THIS YEAR WE'RE CELEBRATING THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF AUSTIN'S ADOPTION OF THE FIRST URBAN TRAILS PLAN.
AND, UH, WE'RE WORKING TO IMPLEMENT, UH, THE FIRST UPDATED THAT PLAN THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED LAST NOVEMBER.
SO THE BIG PICTURE IS, IS WE'RE TRYING TO ADD, UH, OVER 200 MILES OF TRAIL OVERALL AND A HUNDRED MILES OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
AND SO THAT'S ABOUT FIVE MILES A YEAR.
AND THIS IS BASICALLY THE NETWORK BUILD OUT MAP FROM THAT 23 PLAN UPDATE.
UM, THIS MAP HIGHLIGHTS THE, UH, EXISTING TRAILS AND THE SOLID LINES AND TIER ONE TRAILS AND THE DOTTED LINES.
AND THIS IS REALLY THE PRIMARY NEAR TERM FOCUS FOR THE URBAN TRAILS PROGRAM.
AND, UH, THANKS, THANKS A LOT TO CO UH, A LOT OF COORDINATED EFFORTS.
WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS.
UM, AND 20 MILES OF NEW TRAILS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED SINCE 2017.
UH, ONE OF THE MOST, UH, UM, SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS WAS THE, SO SHOAL CREEK TRAIL NORTH OF 38TH STREET, WHICH WAS, UH, SPEARHEADED BY OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND BIKE WASTE PROGRAM.
AND THEN, WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON ALMOST 40 MILES OF, UH, CURRENT PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, SEVERAL OF THOSE PROJECTS INCLUDE NORTHERN WALNUT CREEK TRAIL, UH, RED REDLINE TRAIL, UM, AND THEN, UH, SHOAL CREEK TRAIL AS WELL.
AND, AND THESE ARE ALL PART OF WHAT WE CALL THE BIG LOOP, AND THAT'S A CONTINUOUS 30 MILE, UH, NETWORK THAT, UH, THAT BASICALLY CONNECTS LADY BIRD LAKE TO NORTH AUSTIN.
SO, SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION ARE ABOUT TO START.
UM, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS A RECENTLY COMPLETED CONNECTION OF THE MOAN TRAIL TO THE S BRANCH LIBRARY.
UH, IT'S PLEASANT VALLEY AND SEVENTH STREET.
UH, THE PICTURE WITH THE CRANE IS ACTUALLY THE AUSTIN MAYNARD TRAIL, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, PLANNED TO BE COMPLETED THIS SUMMER.
AND, UH, AND THEN WE HAVE THE PICTURE IN THE BOTTOM
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IS THE LONGHORN DAM, UH, A WISHBONE BRIDGE, UH, WHICH OUR CONSTRUCTION, UH, SERVICE, UH, DELIVERY SERVICES DEPARTMENT WILL BE, UH, PROVIDING AND STARTING CONSTRUCTION THIS SUMMER.SO, THE ESTIMATED TOTAL COST OF, UM, OF ACTIVE PROJECTS INCLUDES OVER $150 MILLION.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES A RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF THAT.
UM, AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, $60 MILLION IN CURRENT FUNDING SECURED THROUGH BOTH APPROVED BONDS AND, UH, FEDERAL GRANTS.
UH, MANY THANKS TO CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION.
UH, CONGRESSMAN DOGGETT HAS BEEN CRITICAL IN PROVIDING A LOT OF COMMUNITY FUNDING FOR TRS PROJECTS, AND CONGRESSMAN KAAR IS DOING THE SAME AS WELL.
AND, UH, WE'RE NOT JUST BUILDING TRAILS.
UH, WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO DEVELOP GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE SOLUTIONS, UM, UH, IMPROVING SHADE, UM, UTILIZING DRAINAGE NEUTRAL DESIGNS.
AND THIS IMPROVES BOTH THE APPEARANCE AND FUNCTIONALITY OF TRAILS AND ALSO REDUCES DESIGN AND PERMIT TIMEFRAMES.
UM, WE'RE ALSO CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A SYSTEMATIC, UM, CONDITION ASSESSMENT PROGRAM FOR TRAILS.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION GROUP, UH, AND CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES ON SEA HOME DISTRICT MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO IF LAURA IS AVAILABLE, UH, SHE CAN PROVIDE, UH, A BREAK, UH, A SUMMARY OF THAT, AND THEN WE CAN GO INTO SOME Q AND A.
THOSE ARE TRAIL CROSSINGS AT WEST AVENUE AND WALTER SEAHOME DRIVE, UM, BLANK OUT SIGNS.
YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THEM AROUND TOWN.
THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY BLANK MOST OF THE TIME.
AND THEN WHEN THE CONFLICTS ARISE, IE SOMEONE, UH, WANTS TO WALK OR BIKE ACROSS A CONFLICT ZONE, CROSSING THE SIDE STREET, UH, THE SIGN LIGHTS UP WITH THE MESSAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, YIELD TO BIKES AND PEDS.
THOSE, UM, BLANK OUT SIGNS CURRENTLY ARE PLACED, UH, RIGHT NOW AT SANDRA MORE RIGHTAWAY AND BR REYNOLDS DRIVE, BY WAY OF EXAMPLE.
AND SO WE'D BE LOOKING TO EMULATE
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THAT SAME TREATMENT AT WEST AND WALTER SEA HOME DRIVE THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO USE THE, UH, YOU SUPPORT SAFER CROSSINGS ON THAT NORTH CURB ALONG THE CROSSTOWN BIKEWAY.UM, ARE THOSE DIFFERENT FROM LIKE THE, THE PEDESTRIAN WALK SYMBOL SIGNS, THE STOP SIGNS? THEY, THEY ARE DIFFERENT, YES.
UM, THERE ARE OF COURSE, CONVENTIONAL STOP SIGNS WITHOUT ANY, UH, ELECTRIFICATION OR, UM, LIGHTS ON THEM.
HOWEVER, I THINK THERE IS ONE, AS I, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I KNOW AT THE AIRPORT, IF YOU'VE EVER, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WALKED OR TAKEN THE BUS OR DRIVEN IN ON SPIRIT OF TEXAS, UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE STREET SUFFOLK IS THERE, THE SPIRIT OF TEXAS
THESE ARE JUST, UM, BLANK LARGE, UH, BLANK BLACK SQUARES THAT THEN LIGHT UP, UM, WITH A SPECIFIC TAILORED MESSAGE WHEN, WHEN, WHEN IT NEEDED, BASICALLY.
UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER THREE, BUT PLEASE DO, UM, RAISE HANDS OR, OR, OR JUMP IN WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, NUMBER THREE SHOWS THIRD STREET AND WEST AVENUE.
THE INTERSECTION THERE, IT'S LIKE THE OBLONG SHAPE AND THAT INTERSECTION IS, YOU KNOW, NOT THE WORST OF THE WORST IN THE CITY, BUT CERTAINLY COULD USE MORE, UM, UH, MORE COMFORTABLE AND CONNECTED WAY TO GET EAST, WEST AND NORTH SOUTH.
SO WE ARE, WE'D BE LOOKING AT A WAY THAT WOULD HELP, UH, TRAIL USERS MORE INTUITIVELY CROSS WEST AVENUE, AS WELL AS FOLKS ON THE SHOAL CREEK TRAIL JUST NORTH OF THERE.
GET TO, UM, THE INTERSECTION OF THIRD AND WEST, UH, MORE INTUITIVELY AS WELL.
UH, SO VERY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY THERE TO KIND OF MAKE SOMETHING WORK A LOT BETTER FOR EVERYONE, WHETHER YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO AND FROM OR WITHIN THAT AREA.
AND THEN MOVING OVER TO NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE, WE'RE NOW WITHIN THE SHOAL CREEK, UM, ITSELF AND LOOKING AT WAYS TO GO ACROSS THE CREEK AND ALONGSIDE THE CREEK, UH, ALONG THE TRAIL IN A, AGAIN, IN A MORE CONNECTED, INTUITIVE, SAFER, CLEAR, AND VISIBLE WAY.
SO THIS SET OF PROJECTS WOULD LOOK TO, UM, THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS OVER SHOAL CREEK, ROUGHLY IN THE, ON THE THIRD STREET ALIGNMENT, AS WELL AS THE HISTORIC TRESTLE BRIDGE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THERE AS A COMBINED EFFORT TO MAKE THAT, THAT EAST WEST CONNECTION MORE COMFORTABLE AND MAKE THE, UM, THE, UH, PERHAPS USING THAT TRESTLE BRIDGE IN SOME WAY, UH, HONORING THAT OR, UM, OTHERWISE, UM, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN AND, AND PART OF OUR HISTORY.
UH, THAT'S ALL UNDER CURRENTLY UNDER, UM, ANALYSIS FOR WHAT IS POSSIBLE WITH, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, OF COMPLICATIONS WITH RESPECT TO, UM, UH, THE WAY THAT WATER FLOWS THROUGH THERE AND, AND MANY OTHER FACTORS, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING AT INTENSELY.
AND THEN ON NUMBER FOUR, WE HAVE THE SHOAL CREEK TRAIL, UH, LOOKING AT A, A TUNNEL OR, UM, OR AN UNDERPASS, IF YOU WILL, TUNNEL IS PROBABLY A LITTLE OVER, UH, OVER DESCRIBED, BUT AN UNDERPASS LIKE YOU HAVE AT SECOND STREET UNDER THE BUTTERFLY BRIDGE, UH, TO MAKE THAT TRAIL CONNECTION A LITTLE MORE INTUITIVE RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU'VE EVER EXPERIENCED THAT WALKING OR BIKING, THERE ARE A SERIES OF SORT OF HAIRPIN TURNS THAT, THAT, THAT AREN'T THE MOST COMFORTABLE.
YOU'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, WHO'S GONNA MEET YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT CORNER,
AND IF WE CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT, UH, EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO NAVIGATE, WE THINK WE CAN ADD A LOT OF VALUE THERE TO THE URBAN TRAIL AND BIKEWAY NETWORK.
WITH THAT, I'LL PAUSE, UM, IN DESCRIBING THOSE, UH, FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECTS, THEN I CAN PIVOT A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT TO EXPECT OVER THE SUMMER AS WE BRING SOME OF THESE OPTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR DISCUSSION.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GET TO THAT NOW, AND THEN IF THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
BUT BRIEFLY, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING VERY CLOSELY AT THE TRESTLE BRIDGE, THE THIRD STREET, UM, BY COMPED BRIDGE, THE UNDERPASS, AND THIRD AND WEST.
ALL THREE OF THOSE PROJECTS WE WILL BE BRINGING TO THE COMMUNITY LATER THIS SUMMER TO OFFER OPTIONS ON HOW WE MIGHT OUR BEST THINKING ON HOW WE MIGHT ACHIEVE THESE THREE PROJECTS, UH, WITH, WITH SOME VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES TO CONSIDER.
SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT LATER THIS SUMMER.
IN THE MEANTIME, OUR SIDEWALKS PROGRAM UNDER JUSTIN, UH, VELA AND JOHN EASTMAN ARE PROGRESSING WITH THE, UH, DESIGN AND CONTRACTUAL, UM, SETUP FOR THIS SIDEWALK ALONG THE SOUTH CURB OF CESAR CHAVEZ STREET.
AND WE ALSO ARE IN PROCUREMENT FOR
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THE, UH, BLANK OUT SIGNS THERE AT WEST AND WALTER SEA HOME.SO MOVING FORWARD ON ALL FIVE PROJECTS QUICKLY, UM, TO HELP REALIZE SOME OF THESE BENEFITS.
WITH THAT, I'LL PRINT IT BACK TO JUSTIN OR TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
SO ARE, ARE ALL FIVE OF THESE PROJECTS UNDER URBAN TRAILS OR UNDER THE SIDEWALKS PROJECT? UH, GREAT QUESTION THERE, BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR NATURE, UH, IS KIND OF A WIDE VARIETY OF PROJECTS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, PROJECT NUMBER TWO IS A JOINT, UH, EFFORT BETWEEN MY GROUP AND THE SIGNAL GROUP, BECAUSE BLANK OUT SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, PROCURED AND, AND MAINTAIN AND MANAGED THROUGH OUR ARTERIAL MANAGEMENT DIVISION, WHEREAS THE SIDEWALK ALONG SCISSORS CHAVEZ IS WITH THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
AND THEN THE, THE BRIDGE AND THE UNDERPASS ARE, UM, AN EFFORT THAT IS, UH, BEING MANAGED BY OUR PROJECT DELIVERY GROUP IN CONSULTATION WITH MY GROUP AND WITH, UH, THE URBAN TRAILS GROUP.
SO IT'S A VERY MUCH A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
AND THEN THE THIRD AND WEST IS ANOTHER, ANOTHER GROUP IS TAKING THAT ONE ON AGAIN IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR, WITH OUR OTHER, UH, PROGRAMMATIC LEADERSHIP.
UH, THAT IS TO SAY, UH, WE'D LIKE, WE'RE MOVING ALL FIVE AT ONCE, SO WE HAD TO KIND OF DISTRIBUTE WHO'S DOING WHAT
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE TWO MAIN SPONSORS ARE BIKEWAYS AND URBAN TRAILS, JUST APPRECIATING THAT THEY HAVE THE MOST BENEFIT TO THOSE NETWORKS, SO, GOT IT.
SO I WANTED TO CHECK IN WITH OUR PRESENTERS.
BASICALLY, YOU'RE, DID YOU HAVE ANY, THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAD IS, IS DONE AND YOU'RE JUST READY TO START TAKING QUESTIONS? IS THAT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW? CORRECT.
UM, SO, UM, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE, WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS PRESENTATION TODAY IS SOME PRIOR PRESENTATIONS WE'VE SEEN, MAYBE NOT EVEN JUST ONE, MAYBE A COUPLE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
UM, UH, WE, ESPECIALLY WITH URBAN TRAILS, WE, WE WERE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION IS CON SUPPORTING THE WORK THAT STAFF IS DOING AND ADEQUATELY PROVIDING THE FUNDING THAT WE NEED TO GET THE WORK AND THE PLANS DONE ON A TIMELY FASHION.
SO I, I'M GONNA PROBABLY, I THINK MY FIRST QUESTION IS KIND OF JUST GONNA ASK YOU TO REPEAT THAT A LITTLE BIT ON THE SIDEWALKS, I THINK.
UM, AND THERE'S A SLIDE HERE THAT SAYS THIS, THAT TO SORT OF A ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT OF HIGH AND VERY HIGH SIDEWALKS BY 2033, WE NEED A, THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THAT WOULD BE 32 MILLION.
AND THAT'S JUST FROM THE, FROM THE BUDGET, RIGHT? NOT, NOT BONDING.
UM, BUT WHAT IS THE CURRENT BUDGET THERE? YOU MENTIONED THAT NUMBER, BUT I ALREADY FORGOT IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY BUDGETED ABOUT $20 MILLION A YEAR FOR NEW SIDEWALKS, AND ALL THAT FUNDING DOES COME FROM BONDS.
AND THEN, UM, UH, AND SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW SO THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY BUDGETING WHERE WE NEED TO BE TO MEET THOSE GOALS.
UM, ON THE SIDEWALKS, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET SOME MORE QUESTIONS IN THIS AREA, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE NOTICED IN PRIOR PRESENTATIONS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REALLY, UH, GOOD PLANNING OR REALLY, REALLY CLEAR COMMUNICATION, LET'S SAY, AROUND WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE TIMELINE FOR GETTING THE HIGH AND VERY HIGH SIDEWALKS DONE AND THE FUNDING REQUIRED, UM, URBAN TRAILS SEEM MORE COMPLEX, AND I THINK THAT MAY, I'M SURMISING FROM SOME OF THE THINGS I ALREADY KNOW GOING INTO THIS.
AND ALSO FROM THINGS, THE THINGS THAT WERE SHARED TODAY THAT PART OF THAT IS THAT THEY ARE MORE COMPLEX, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT MORE THINGS WITH WORD WATERSHED AND RIGHT OF WAY AND ENGINEERING.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS OVERALL A NEWER PROGRAM FOR THE CITY.
SO THERE'S JUST MORE FACTORS GOING INTO IT STILL.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE, UM, IT DEFINITELY WE'RE, I THINK, UH, IT GETS THE ATTENTION OF THIS COMMISSION WHEN WE HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN IS TO COMPLETE THE TRAILS BY 2050, AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S A REALLY LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'LL BE A GRANDMOM BY THAT TIME
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, IS FIGURING OUT WAYS THAT, UM, AS CITIZENS AND AS A COMMISSION, WE CAN SUPPORT THE FUNDING AND STAFFING THAT'S NECESSARY TO TAKE URBAN TRAILS TO THAT NEXT LEVEL, UM, UH, UH, THAT WE ALREADY SEE IN SIDEWALKS.
I THINK SIDEWALKS IS JUST A PROGRAM THAT'S A BIT FARTHER ALONG.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE SOME, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE, LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S MISSING IN TERMS OF ANNUAL BUDGETING OR STAFFING OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW COULD WE GET THIS PIPELINE FOR URBAN TRAILS SPED UP? YEAH, FOR SURE.
UM, YEAH, SO, SO THE URBAN TRAILS PROGRAM ACTUALLY JUST, UH, CAME UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
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WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DIVING IN BASICALLY, UH, HEAD FIRST AND TRYING TO DELIVER AS MANY PROJECTS, PROJECTS AS WE CAN.UM, FOR URBAN TRAILS, THERE IS A LONG LEAD TIME AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEPENDENT ON, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITH RIGHT ARRAY, ACQUISI RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A BIG HOLD UP FOR A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE PLAN SAYS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO BUILD ALL THE TIER ONE TRAILS IN 20 YEARS.
IS, IS THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL OF THE PLAN, UH, THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO, UM, REALLY IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET THE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, ALMOST LIKE I MENTIONED, 40 MILES OF ACTIVE PROJECTS IN SOME SORT OF DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT $150 MILLION OF WORK.
AND, UM, WE ARE FUNDED AT ABOUT $60 MILLION RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE SECURED FUNDING FOR.
SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT DATA NUMBER? YEAH.
AND SO, SO WE HAVE ABOUT $150 MILLION WORTH OF NEED IN JUST CURRENT ACTIVE PROJECTS AND THE 40 MILES OF ACTIVE PROJECTS WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT $60 MILLION IN SECURED FUNDING THROUGH GRANTS AND BONDS.
SO, SO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WHICH ARE IN DESIGN, YOU KNOW, I YOU SEE THAT, LIKE THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN CONSTRUCTION BID, BUT MOST ARE IN DESIGN OR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.
WE MIGHT GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS BUT THEN NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO ACTUALLY BUILD THEM.
FOR THAT $90 MILLION DELTA, ARE THERE ANY PENDING OR OUTSTANDING GRANT APPLICATIONS OR EXPECTED FUNDS TO COME IN? OR IS IT LIKE, THERE'S JUST NOTHING BETWEEN THE 60 AND THE ONE 50? YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, WE JUST SUBMITTED A GRANT APPLICATION ACTUALLY FOR SOME TO HELP WITH THE BERKS FROMM SPUR, UM, TRAIL.
AND SO YEAH, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT, UM, IT'S STILL A PRETTY BIG DELTA TO BE FILLED WITH GRANTS.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, THEN I'M GONNA LET SOME OTHER PEOPLE ASK, UH, CALL ON SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS.
BUT, UM, ONE THING, AND THIS IS JUST A SORT OF A WEIRD HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE SPURRED ME TO ASK FROM THIS SLIDE HERE, WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PROGRAM HISTORY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW IN 1991 THERE WAS THE A DA, AND THEN SOMETHING JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION HERE WHERE IT SAYS, IN 1995, CODE CHANGES ELIMINATE LANDOWNER RESPONSIBILITY FOR SIDEWALKS.
AND I ASSUME THAT MEANS MAINTENANCE OF SIDEWALKS, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, JUST YEAH, EXISTING SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN IN 2006, THE CITY OF AUSTIN SIDEWALK SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WAS INITIATED.
SO BETWEEN 1995 AND 2006, WAS THERE MAINTENANCE OF SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY? THERE? THERE WAS SOME AMOUNT, UH, IT WAS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, UH, PRIOR TO THE 2016, UH, UH, SIDEWALK PLAN, UH, THEY WERE SPENDING ABOUT $250,000 ANNUALLY.
AND SO IT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN A HUNDRED YEARS OF SIDEWALKS BEING BUILT WITH A LACK OF MAINTENANCE, AND SO NOW WE'RE GETTING TO IT.
AND I'M SURE IN THEORY, THE LANDOWNER RESPONSIBILITY FOR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY NECESSARILY DONE.
THAT'S REALLY, UM, STUNNING INFORMATION, UM, ABOUT THE, THE GAP THAT WE HAVE.
YEAH, AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE WAS NO MECHANISM TO REQUIRE HOMEOWNERS TO, TO, TO FIX THEIR SIDEWALKS.
AND SO THE CITY JUST TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES AND WHICH IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO SURE.
TO, TO ADDRESS THE, THE A DA ISSUES.
UM, OTHERS ON THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSION THAT HAVE QUESTION.
I SEE, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, THANK YOU.
UM, SO YEAH, I WANNA DRILL DOWN ON THAT.
UM, 38 MILES, UH, UH, A HUNDRED AND OR I, I, I THINK YOU SAID 38 AT MOBILITY COMMITTEE.
THAT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
UM, SO 38 MILES ARE IN DESIGN.
UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE L MAP OR MAP, WHICHEVER TERM YOU PREFER.
AND THERE WERE ABOUT 20 MILES IN THERE.
UM, AND I CAN KIND OF PENCIL OUT SOME THAT LIKE WOULDN'T BE IN THERE, RIGHT.
OBVIOUSLY THE CAP METRO'S TAKING THE LEAD ON SOME OF THE RED LINE TRAIL MM-HMM.
BUT I WAS JUST KIND OF TRYING TO PENCIL OUT WHERE ARE THOSE 18 OTHER MILES? YEAH, I, I'M, I'M NOT REAL SURE WITHOUT DIVING INTO THE MAP.
I KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE MOBILITY AND PLAN MAP WAS INTENDED TO TRY TO SHOW, UH, PROJECTS THAT WERE GONNA BE COMING, UH, DOWN THE PIPELINE SOONER,
AND SO THAT, UM, 150 MILLION FIGURE MM-HMM.
SO IS THAT INCLUDING ALL PHASES, RIGHT? LIKE THROUGH DESIGN, PROCUREMENT, AND BUILD YEAH.
AND RIGHT WAY ACQUISITION YEAH.
WHICH IS USUALLY PROBABLY THE BIGGEST PART.
SO THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN, RIGHT, USES THE PLANNING NUMBER OF 10 MILLION PER MILE AND THEN SAYS IT CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 4 MILLION AND 40 MILLION, UM, IN YOUR, AND THAT'S
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KIND OF WHAT A LOT OF THE ESTIMATES FOR WHAT WE NEED FOR FULL BUILDOUT IS, UM, BASED OFF OF THAT WE'RE AT ABOUT JUST UNDER 4 MILLION PER MILE.IS, IS THAT $10 MILLION PER MILE PLANNING NUMBER MAYBE A LITTLE BIT TOO HIGH, OR DO YOU EXPECT COSTS TO GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, AS WE BUILD OUT? UH, YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.
AND I, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THAT, I'LL BE HONEST.
UH, BUT UM, YEAH, THE 4 MILLION IS KIND OF THE BASE NUMBER WE USE FOR ESTIMATES.
UM, AND THAT'S TO KIND OF GET PROJECTS ON THE GROUND.
UH, WHAT'S WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THE, ABOUT INVITING THE URBAN TRAILS PROGRAM TO THE
UM, SO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.
THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BASE NUMBER AND IT'S PROBABLY ONLY GONNA GO UP FROM THERE.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I WANT TO ASK ON THIS IS, IS ABOUT THAT DELTA, RIGHT? YOU HAVE ABOUT 60 MILLION RIGHT NOW.
YOU NEED ABOUT 150 TO FINISH ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE IN DESIGN WITH.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, A BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD DO A BOND IN, IN, IN 2026.
UM, THIS COMMISSION AND THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, UH, AS WELL AS A SUB QUORUM OF COUNCIL, I'VE SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME SORT OF BOND FOR URBAN TRAILS IN THE, UM, OR ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN.
UM, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT THAT COMES DOWN TO IS, ALL RIGHT, IF WE'RE GONNA DO A NOVEMBER 20, 26 BOND, AND YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT MONEY THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE SAY JULY, 2027 RIGHT NOW MIGHT BE JANUARY 1ST, 2028.
UM, HOW MUCH, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PROJECT DELIVERY CAPACITY, RIGHT? LIKE, HOW MUCH CAN YOU GET DONE IF MONEY WAS NOT AN ISSUE? WHAT IS THAT NUMBER THAT YOU COULD GET DONE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, 2025 AND 2028? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SAY WE COULD DO WHATEVER
AND, UH, BUT, BUT THERE IS SOME, THERE IS SOME LEAD TIME ON THIS, ON THE FUNDING.
AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER FOR YOU TO, TO TELL YOU WHAT, HOW WE, HOW FAST WE COULD ACCELERATE THAT.
UH, BUT, BUT DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE WOULDD BE PUT PUTTING THAT, PUTTING THAT FUNDING, UH, TO GOOD USE AND, AND MOVING PROJECTS FORWARD.
UM, UH, THE QUESTION CAME UP AT MOBILITY COMMITTEE.
IF YOU GOT MORE FUNDING, COULD YOU DO IT FASTER? MM-HMM.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT LEAD TIME FOR A LOT OF PROJECTS, SO IT MIGHT INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, STAFFING UP AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, SO WHENEVER THAT DOES COME, WE'LL BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
WELL, AND THEN I, I GUESS THE OTHER WAY, THE OTHER WAY TO ASK THAT QUESTION IS, ARE YOU HOLDING BACK ON SOME STUFF BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY HAVE 60 MILLION, RIGHT? ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE WE KIND OF THROTTLING WHAT YOUR PROGRAM CAN DO? YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH URBAN TRAILS AND TRYING TO ADVANCE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON A LOT OF, UH, QUICK BUILD PROJECTS AS WELL AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, UH, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE SBO PROGRAM.
AND, UM, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MOVE THOSE PROJECTS THROUGH STROM SPUR,
SO THEY, THEY'RE ALL MOVING FORWARD AS FAST AS WE CAN THROUGH DESIGN AND TO TRY TO GET THE PROJECTS ON THE GROUND.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF TIME.
THE, THE, THE THROTTLE, I THINK IS THE DESIGN AND THE DESIGN WORK AND TRYING TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DRAINAGE, UH, ANALYSIS AND ALL THAT DONE AND, AND MAKING SURE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF IS ALL RIGHT, AND THEN ULTIMATELY GETTING THAT RIGHT AWAY, OF COURSE.
BUT, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE BIGGEST, IT'S JUST THE PROCESS OF URBAN TRAILS TAKES THE LONGEST MM-HMM.
WELL, AND I THINK BUILDING ON THAT TOO, ONE THING WE WANNA AVOID IS GETTING DESIGN AND ENGINEERING DONE FOR PROJECTS AND THEN NOT BEING ABLE TO START DELIVERING THEM.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN, IF YOU LET THAT PROVERB PLANS ON THE SHELF, THEN YOUR CONTEXT IS GONNA CHANGE AND YOU WANNA GET THOSE DONE PRETTY RAPIDLY AFTERWARDS.
UM, I THINK OTHER PEOPLE HAD QUESTIONS.
UM, COMMISSIONER KAMAN, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN TODAY.
UM, THE WORK THAT YOUR TEAM DOES IS GENERALLY REALLY IMPRESSIVE AND THE PACE IN WHICH YOU ARE ABLE TO SPEND BOND MONEY AS ONE OF THE FASTEST AND BEST AND THE WHOLE DEPART AND ALL OF THE TRANSPORTATION WORK.
SO WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS AND I THINK OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP REMOVE BARRIERS FOR YOU OR FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP YOU, UM, IDENTIFY FUNDING FOR PROJECTS.
UM, SO THERE'S THAT
ONE IS, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE IDIQ APPROACH AND SORT OF WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? AND FOR MAJOR PROJECTS YOU DON'T NECESSARILY USE AN
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IDIQ APPROACH, LIKE YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT TO BUILD A GIANT BRIDGE.UM, SO LIKE, WHAT ARE THE LIMITS OF THAT, BUT LIKE, WHAT IS IT, WHAT ARE THE LIMITS OF IT AND HOW HAS THAT HELPED YOU ACHIEVE WHAT YOU DO? YEAH, YEAH, SO GOOD QUESTION.
SO YEAH, FOR, FOR SIDEWALKS, ALL SIDEWALKS ARE, ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WHERE, AND SO WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO APPLY IT TO THE TRAILS IS WHERE WE HAVE TRAILS THAT MIGHT, UH, GO ALONG EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, FOR INSTANCE.
AND SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF ONE LIMITING FACTOR.
UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU START GETTING OUTTA THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU START GETTING A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DRAINAGE NEUTRAL DESIGNS LIKE I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, AND TRYING TO, UH, MOVE THAT THROUGH FASTER AS WELL.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FIELD ENGINEERS WITH OUR SIDEWALK PROGRAM THAT HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR 20, 20 YEARS, AND, UH, AND THEY'VE FIGURED OUT WAYS TO, TO IMPLEMENT, IMPLEMENT SIDEWALKS AND URBAN TRAILS BEING EXTRA WIDE SIDEWALKS AND SOMETIMES TWO SIDEWALKS NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO USE SOME OF THOSE, UH, SOME OF THOSE PROCESSES AND THOUGHTS TO, TO IMPLEMENT URBAN TRAILS, UH, FOR FIELD ENGINEERING.
UM, UH, YEAH, AGAIN, IT'S REALLY FOCUSED ON THE RIGHT OF WAY AND, UM, SO WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH A GENERAL PERMIT PROCESS AS WELL.
AND, UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF IT.
AND, AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IT ALSO PROVIDES A PRETTY COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION.
YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE BEEN SCALING UP, YOU KNOW, THE COSTS HAVEN'T REALLY SKYROCKETED AND BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SCALE TO LARGER, LARGER CONTRACTS AND, UH, GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUNK AS WELL, UH, ON THAT, ON, YOU KNOW, LINEAR FOOT BASIS OF SIDEWALK, FOR INSTANCE, UM, INSTEAD OF PROJECT BASED.
UM, AND I GUESS WE ALL WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LIKES SIDEWALKS AND BETRAYALS, AND SO THE COMMUNITY AND COMMISSIONERS AND ADVOCATES GET A LITTLE IMPATIENT, I GUESS, BUT LIKE, WE KNOW YOU'RE WORKING AS FAST AS YOU CAN, UM, AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH FUNDING, BUT WHAT ARE SOME NON FISCAL ROADBLOCKS THAT YOU FIND YOUR PROGRAM RUNNING INTO? UM, AND WHAT ARE SOME POLICY RELATED, UM, ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE PROVIDING LIKE, UM, MIGHT BE CAUSING A BOTTLENECK, UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT RED TAPE OR RIGHT OF WAY, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE, BUT THEN, UM, ON LIKE FROM THE CITY GETTING IN ITS OWN WAY, IT'S LIKE, IS IT THE CRITERIA MANUALS, THE LBC, OTHER THINGS? LIKE WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE NON FISCAL ROADBLOCKS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TACKLE? YEAH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING,
AND SO, UM, WE'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE FIRST THING WE KIND OF SET OUT TO, TO ADDRESS.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THE FISCAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE, WE ARE DOING IT AS FAST
WELL, WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT $40 MILLION A YEAR IN SIDEWALK WORK.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE MOVING QUICKLY AND, UM, I THINK, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS, IS FOR US TO REALLY DIVE IN AS A PROGRAM AND FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN SPEED, SPEED THE DELIVERY OF URBAN SHELLS UP.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THAT'S WHERE OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS GONNA BE.
UH, IT'S SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, ROADBLOCKS RIGHT NOW, UH, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MAYBE WE CAN GET WITH MY DIVISION MANAGER, HE COULD FOLLOW UP AS WELL.
SO, UM, JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP.
UH, I THINK THIS DRAINAGE NEUTRAL DESIGN IDEA IS GREAT TO HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY.
ARE THERE ANY PARTS OF THE D-C-C-M-U-C-M-T-C-M THAT YOU FEEL? I DON'T, I'M PUTTING YOU IN A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE PROBABLY
WE LOVE THOSE CRITERIA MANUALS ARE, UM, TOO STRICT OR TOO ONEROUS AND ARE EASY OR NOT EASY ARE LOW HANGING FRUIT YEAH.
SO JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE ASKING FOR POLICY, LIKE LOOKING AT, IS THERE A POTENTIAL POLICY CHANGE MM-HMM.
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SORT OF THING THAT IS JUST A GLARING ISSUE THAT YOU FEEL IS TOO STRICT OR TOO ONEROUS IN THE PROJECT PROCESS? YEAH, I, I, I WISH I HAD A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU AND I DON'T.UH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WITH THE RECENT ADOPTION OF THE NEW TCM THAT WE JUST HAD, IT'S REALLY ADVANCED
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE MOVEMENT THAT THE, THAT THE MANUALS ARE TAKING.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT IN IT ENOUGH TO, TO KNOW THAT, UH, RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THAT IF WE CAN.
UH, I'M GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ, JUST SO, AND I MEAN, YOU KIND OF PRETTY MUCH A ASKED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO WHEN I LOOKED, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE SIDEWALKS, IT WAS LIKE WITHIN 10 YEARS, RIGHT? BUT THEN URBAN TRAILS WAS 20 YEAR PROJECTION.
SO CAN YOU JUST GIVE SOME HISTORY OF WHY AND HOW WE GOT TO THERE AND WHAT, WITHIN THAT 10 YEARS, WHAT HAS HAPPENED? OH, OKAY.
SO, SO YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT LIKE THE SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? UM, THE VERY, LIKE VERY HIGH, HIGH PRIORITIES COMPLETED BY 2033, BUT THEN FOR URBAN TRAILS, THE HIGH TIER, TIER ONE PRIORITY IS NOT TILL 2043.
SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF JUST FOR HISTORY PURPOSES UNDERSTAND HOW ONE GOT 10 YEARS AND ANOTHER GOT 20 YEARS LOOKED AT VERSUS HAVING THEM KIND OF ALIGN WITHIN 10 YEARS OF EACH OTHER.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE, IT'S THE URBAN TRAILS THAT, THAT HAVE THAT LONG LEAD TIME, UH, THAT SOME
AND, UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY PROBABLY WHAT THAT IS.
AND, AND, AND, AND FOR THE, FOR THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN, IT'S, IT IS THAT LONG TERM, THAT'S A SHORT TERM GOAL, BUT, BUT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT AS SHORT TERM AS YOU CAN GET FOR A, FOR A, FOR A HIGH LEVEL GOAL LIKE THAT, UM, TO PROVIDE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, PLANNING
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO PROVIDE, UH, THE BEST SHORT TERM GOAL THAT WE CAN, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT, UH, SIDEWALKS ARE, YOU KNOW, A LOT QUICKER BUILD, WE COULD LITERALLY START GETTING A SIDEWALK ON THE, ON THE STREET IN, IN A WEEK IF WE NEEDED TO IN SOME CASES.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, FOR URBAN TRAILS, IT'S JUST NOT THAT WAY.
AND EVEN WHERE WE HAVE, EVEN WHERE WE HAVE EASEMENTS AND RIGHT AWAY, UM, IT CAN STILL TAKE TIME JUST, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND DRAINAGE CONCERNS.
UH, MAYBE YOU GOTTA DESIGN A BRIDGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE ALONG THE MOAN TRAIL, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MOAN RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST LIKE ALONG, UH, CAP METROS BUS YARD, AND WE'RE USING OUR FIELD ENGINEERING MODEL FOR THAT.
BUT JUST TO THE EAST OF THERE, THERE'S A BRIDGE THAT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S YEARS OUT BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND SO, UM, IT JUST, IT'S JUST A, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES, WHICH IS WHY IT'S 10 VERSUS 20.
SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS KIND OF THE, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER ABOUT WE DO THE RESEARCH, WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE READY FOR THE DESIGN, BUT THEN WE'RE WAITING FOR THE FUNDING TO COME TO BE ABLE TO GO TO, UM, TO GO TO PROCUREMENT AND THEN KIND OF BUILD OUT FROM THERE.
SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MINIMIZE THAT TIME KIND OF BEING ABLE TO KIND OF RACK AND STACK THE, THE PROJECTS TO BE ABLE TO, TO GO TO LET AND, AND MOVE FORWARD? LIKE, IS THERE ANY SOLUTIONS THAT WE COULD DO ON OUR END TO CREATE THAT? YOU KNOW, UM, I KNOW IT'S A LOADED QUESTION.
JUST, JUST, JUST KEEP SUPPORTING, UM,
I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER BROOKS HAD A QUESTION.
UM, SIDEWALK PROJECTS SEEM TO HAPPEN WITH VERY LITTLE PUBLIC INPUT.
YOU DON'T HOLD SIX EVENING MEETINGS ON A SIDEWALK PROJECT.
OF COURSE, THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE FOR URBAN TRAILS.
UM, WHY DO YOU THINK, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? AND
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SINCE THOSE KIND OF PUBLIC EN I HAVEN'T HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE LACK OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON SIDEWALKS, HOW DO WE DO THE MAGIC ON OTHER PROJECTS? YEAH, YEAH.AND YEAH, FOR SIDEWALK PROJECTS, UM, A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE REQUIRED BY THE A DA AND AND, AND WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING A PROGRAM OR FACILITY ALREADY THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED OR, OR THE GAPS FILLED IN.
AND SO, UH, SO THAT IS CITIES RIGHT AWAY THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT SIDEWALK BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO HAVE A SIDEWALK IN A LOT OF CASES.
UM, FOR URBAN TRAILS, OFTENTIMES IT'S GOING THROUGH PARKS.
UM, SOMETIMES WHEN WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE PARKING, STREET PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT, IT REQUIRES SOME LEVEL OF DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY AT LEAST.
UM, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WANNA MOVE IT FORWARD AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE A WHILE FOR TRAILS, IT DOES GIVE ITSELF THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE COMMUNITY INPUT, WHICH IS VALUABLE AND, AND HELPFUL IN A LOT OF CASES AND, AND HELPS GUIDE THINGS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING
AND WE'RE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE TRYING TO APPLY, YOU KNOW, THE LESSONS WE'VE LEARNED IN THE ALBO PROGRAM TO THE URBAN TRAILS PROGRAM TO ACCELERATE AS MUCH MANY PROJECTS AS WE CAN.
SO, DOES ANYONE ONLINE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? I ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF AN URBAN TRAIL QUESTION, OR MAYBE IT'S A PARKS QUESTION.
SO, UM, I LIVE IN NORTH AUSTIN, SO I'M LIVING, I LIVE REALLY NEAR THE NORTH WALNUT CREEK TRAIL.
AND, UM, I ALSO WILL VERY, VERY NEAR THE RED LINE TRAIL SEGMENT, UM, NORTH OF MACAL ONCE THAT IS, UM, SOMEDAY, UH, BUILT.
UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED IS ON THE NORTHERN WALNUT CREEK TRAIL, LIKE ONE OF THE SEGMENTS NEAR ME WHEN THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED, UM, A BUNCH OF TREES WERE PLANTED AND, UH, VERY UNFORTUNATELY, MANY OF THOSE NEW TREES DIED, UM, BABY TREES.
AND SO, UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHEN YOU'RE, UM, 'CAUSE YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHEN YOU PUT IN URBAN TRAILS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIX OTHER ISSUES.
YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A SLIDE HERE MM-HMM,
HOW WOULD MAINTENANCE FOR THAT BE HANDLED? NOW, THE AREA THAT I'M THINKING OF IS ACTUALLY GONNA PROBABLY WITHIN ALCON'S DISTRICT PARKS, SO MAYBE THAT'S A PART ISSUE.
BUT, UM, THAT WAS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT STREET TREES AND TREE MAINTENANCE AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR TREES IN THIS COMMISSION LATELY.
SO, UM, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING QUESTION TO ASK.
SO YEAH, WE, WE DO WANT TO, WE DO WANT TO HAVE SHADE
AND SO WE, WE WANT TO HAVE LOTS OF TREES AND SOMETIMES WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE OUT TREES IN SOME INSTANCES, SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT 'EM BACK IN.
IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT TREES DO, DON'T MAKE IT SOMETIMES.
UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I I BELIEVE ON OUR URBAN TRAILS CONTRACTS IS THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE A, A AT LEAST A TEMPORARY, UM, UM, UH, IRRIGATION SYSTEM.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND OR, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, PAY A CONTRACTOR TO GO DO THAT AND WATER TREES AND, AND IT IS COSTLY, BUT IT'S WELL WORTH IT.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, ONE OF OUR NEW PROJECT COORDINATORS CAME FROM THE RY FOREST URBAN FORESTRY PROGRAM, UH, WITH THE CITY ENGINEER'S OFFICE.
AND, UH, NOW THEY'RE, UH, WITH US ON OUR URBAN TRAILS TEAM.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE HELPING US REALLY FIGURE OUT LIKE HOW WE CAN, HOW WE CAN DO BETTER, UM, HOW WE CAN HAVE NATIVE, NATIVE PLANTINGS AND TREES THAT, THAT CAN, THAT, THAT ARE RESILIENT AND, AND CAN LAST THROUGH TEXAS.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, REALLY FOCUS ON THE WAYS TO KEEP 'EM ALIVE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO.
AND, AND SO YEAH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THAT ACTIVELY ALSO ON OUR SIDEWALK PROJECTS AS WELL, WHERE WE CAN, THERE'S A LOT LESS, A LOT LESS SPACE FOR SIDE
SO LOOKING FOR ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT FOR LIKE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND, LIKE DELIVERED PROJECTS, IS THERE LIKE A CLEAR LIKE SENSE OF LIKE, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR TREES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PLANTED WITH AN URBAN TRAIL? YEAH.
UH, THERE, UM, SO
SO WHEN IT'S GOING THROUGH A PARK, IT MIGHT BE PARD.
AND SO WE, WE HAVE HAD REGULAR MEETINGS WITH PARD AND UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE KNOWS MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, PUBLIC WORKS TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS ALSO HAS, UH, MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES OF TRAILS.
UM, TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY, UH, MAINTAINING, UH, A TREE,
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UH, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHING A TREE, UH, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE PROBABLY WITH THE CONTRACT ITSELF, UM, UH, MOST TIMES.AND THEN, AND THEN LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF THAT WOULD GO TO EITHER, UH, THE PARD, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A LONG PARK LAND, OR, OR, OR IT COULD BE, UH, TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS AS WELL IF IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE TRAIL.
UM, SO TYPICALLY THE CONTRACTOR WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING TREE HEALTH FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE TREES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'D HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE I MENTIONED A SECOND AGO, THAT WE CAN FIND TREE PLANTINGS THAT WILL LAST, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT INITIAL, UH, ESTABLISHMENT PERIOD.
AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, DO WE PLANT LARGE TREES 'CAUSE THEY LOOK GOOD, OR DO WE PLANT SMALLER TREES? 'CAUSE THEY'LL ESTABLISH BETTER THINGS.
LIKE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE, IS WHAT WE'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT.
ESPECIALLY LIKE I'VE MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT THE, WE'VE GOT THE ARBORIST ON OUR TEAM NOW THAT'S
UM, I'M, I GUESS I'LL JUST START OVER IN ORDER AND GO TO COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER.
UM, SO I, I WANT TO, UH, START WITH A, A VERY ANNOYING QUESTION, WHICH IS, UH, WHAT IS A TRAIL? UM, AND I, I, I MEAN THAT IN THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW POPULAR URBAN TRAILS ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, BUT I CAN REMEMBER TWO TIMES WHEN WE STARTED A MASSIVE CONTROVERSY ABOUT THEM AND IT WAS, UH, AT MACAL STATION WHEN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS KIND OF TO REROUTE THE RED LINE TRAIL.
UH, AND THEN WHEN, I GUESS THIS IS IN RECENT MEMORY, RIGHT? BUT, UM, THEN AGAIN WITH THE SHOUL CREEK CONNECTIVITY GAPS, WHEN THERE WAS THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL TO, UH, CREATE KIND OF A SHARED STREET CONFIGURATION, I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXPECTATION WITH WHAT AN URBAN TRAIL MEANS.
PEOPLE EXPECT IT TO BE CONTINUOUS, PEOPLE EXPECT IT TO BE GRADE SEPARATED OFF A STREET.
PEOPLE EXPECT TO HAVE PRIORITIZED INTERACTIONS WITH CARS OR LIMITED INTERACTIONS WITH CARS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST A SHARED USE PATH UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME.
UM, AND YET SOMETIMES THAT HAS BEEN WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO SETTLE FOR OR ENDED UP HAVING TO SETTLE FOR.
SO MY QUESTION HERE IS WE HAVE AN ALL AGES AND ABILITY STANDARD FOR BIKEWAYS.
WE CAN ALL LOOK AT THE SAME PROJECT AND IMMEDIATELY AGREE WHETHER IT MEETS THAT STANDARD.
WE HAVE THE URBAN TRAILS DESIGN GUIDE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY THE SAME THING.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE THAT SO THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO A PUBLIC MEETING, YOU SAY, WE CAN BUILD WHATEVER WE WANT, BUT IT HAS TO MEET THIS STANDARD 'CAUSE THIS IS THE STANDARD FOR AN URBAN TRAILS A A SHARED STREET CONFIGURATION WITH PARKING IS NOT ON THE TABLE.
WOULD, WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? YEAH, YEAH.
THE, THE GOLD STANDARD FOR TRAILS IS LIKE WE'RE GONNA DO ALONG THE BERKSHIRE SPUR IN A LOT OF CASES WHERE WE HAVE A, A GRADE SEPARATED TWO FACILITY TRAIL, YOU KNOW, TWO-WAY BIKEWAY WITH A, WITH A SIDEWALK.
SO 12 FOOT BIKEWAY WITH A EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK OR 10 FOOT SIDEWALK, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
BUT, UM, AND SO THAT IS, THAT IS THE, THE GOLD STANDARD.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BUT EVEN, EVEN ALONG THAT TRAIL, THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES WHEN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS OR OTHER ISSUES, UH, REQUIRE US TO PUT LIKE A MAYBE A 20 FOOT WIDE SHARED USE TRAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE, THERE'S BASICALLY AN URBAN TRAIL IS THE, IS THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM OF THE SIDEWALK NETWORK ESSENTIALLY.
AND SO YEAH, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE FROM NORTH AUSTIN TO DOWNTOWN FOR INSTANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I, I PERSONALLY LIVE, UH, WAY OUT OF TOWN
UM, WE, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE LIKE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A HUGE VALUE IN PROVIDING THAT ALL AGES AND ABILITIES NETWORK THROUGH A STREET AND STREET PATH, LIKE ON SHOAL CREEK TRAIL, FOR INSTANCE, UH, NORTH OF 38TH STREET.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE WE CAN GET, WHERE WE CAN GET, UM, A CONTINUOUS SYSTEM AND, AND FASTER AND, AND WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, EXTRA, EXTRA ACQUISITION AND THINGS.
SO THAT, THAT STILL PROVIDES A PRETTY SAFE, UH, A ROUTE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THEY ARE THE, THE HIGHWAYS OF THE SIDEWALK NETWORK.
AND, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU JUST SAID THERE IS, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE ABOVE GOLD STANDARD DESIGN.
THIS IS WHAT THE T CM SAYS SHOULD BE IN THERE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR URBAN TRAILS.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE HAD THAT, WOULD IT MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER IN THAT YOU
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HAD A FLOOR OF WHAT, AND YOU KNOW, SURE.UH, UH, SOME, YOU KNOW, ON STREET DESIGNS HERE OR THERE TO CONNECT STUFF.
BUT IF WE HAD THAT FLOOR SO THAT YOU COULDN'T GO BELOW A CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARD, WOULD THAT MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER WHEN IT CAME TO, YOU KNOW, GOING TO PUBLIC FORUMS AND, AND BUILDING THIS OUT AND GIVING IT TO CONTRACTORS AND TRYING TO MAKE ALL OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY VALUE IN, IN PROVIDING, UH, THE BEST, THE BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WITH PARKING, UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PARKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY A NEED TO NECESSARILY MITIGATE THAT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IF WE NEED THE PARKING, WE CAN REMOVE THE PARKING AND, AND, AND, AND WE CAN DO THAT.
WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS, IT'S, IT'S MITIGATION.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
AND SO THE PARKING IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE, THE CITY IS SAID, HEY, WE CAN, WE CAN DEAL WITH A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON PARKING.
AND SO, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DEFINITELY A DESIRE TO HAVE ANY URBAN TRAIL THAT'S CONSTRUCTED.
IT SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM SUP WIDTH AT LEAST.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD TRAIL SEGMENT, WHICH IS AT LEAST 14 FEET WIDE IN A LOT OF CASES.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SHOOTING FOR A HIGH LEVEL OF STANDARD OF TRAIL TRAIL SYSTEM AND, UH, NOT JUST SACRIFICING UNLESS, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GET THE RIGHT OF WAY OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN SOME CASES THERE'S JUST MAYBE NO ROOM 'CAUSE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT HAVING A, A BASELINE IS, IS VALUABLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS ARE SHOOTING FOR.
AND THAT'S THAT, AT LEAST THAT 14 FOOT WIDE TRAIL.
AND THEN, UM, THIS IS A RELATED QUESTION, AND, AND LAURA MAY ALSO, YOU FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN HERE, BUT, UM, SO I KIND OF A QUESTION AS TO WHEN URBAN TRAILS KINDA DIPS INTO OUR SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALKS OR BIKE WASTE FUND, RIGHT? SO SOME OF THAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SHOAL CREEK CONNECTIVITY GAPS, UM, IN THE LOCAL MOBILITY ANNUAL PLAN RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A SEGMENT OF THE RED LINE TRAIL FROM 34TH STREET TO MIDDLE FISKVILLE ROAD THAT'S IN THERE AS A BIKE WASTE PROJECT, NOT ANUR TRAILS PROJECT.
SO I'M CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE AS TO THIS URBAN TRAIL, TIER ONE URBAN TRAIL IS GONNA COME OUT OF SIDEWALKS OR BIKEWAYS RATHER THAN THE URBAN TRAILS FUNDING? I, I THINK, I THINK ALL THE TRAILS, YEAH.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW MUCH COMES OUTTA SIDEWALK FUNDING FOR URBAN TRAILS.
UM, UH, I, I WOULD ANTICIPATE MOST OF THOSE ACTUALLY COMING FROM URBAN TRAILS FUNDING.
WHEN IT, WHEN IT, WHEN IT ALSO, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, MAYBE WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CAESAR CHAVEZ SIDEWALK, UH, FOR THE SEA HOME AREA IMPROVEMENTS, THAT THAT HAS A, THAT HAS A SIDEWALK UTILITY OBVIOUSLY.
SO THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT COMING FROM THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
BUT IN CASES WHERE IT IS AN URBAN TRAIL AND IT PROVIDES MORE OF A BIKEWAYS, YOU KNOW, ADDITIVE, UH, UM, IT WOULD BE URBAN TRAIL'S FUNDING TYPICALLY.
AND, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE EXACT CASES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YEAH.
SO MAYBE, I MEAN, LIKE, I THINK THE LAURA, IF, IF YOU KNOW THIS, THE, PROBABLY THE USE CASE THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THIS THE BEST IS, SO WHY IS THAT RED LINE TRAIL SEGMENT FROM 34TH TO MIDDLE FISKVILLE IN THE BIKEWAYS PROGRAM AND NOT URBAN TRAILS? YEAH.
UM, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE URBAN TRAIL RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE BIKEWAY RECOMMENDATIONS, THE TWO NETWORKS OFTEN OVERLAP.
AND TO JUSTIN'S POINT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEREVER WE CAN, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCELERATE THE DELIVERY OF THE URBAN TRAILS NETWORK, UM, AND USING ON STREET SOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN, UM, AND HAVING A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE URBAN TRAILS FUNDING AND COORDINATION WITH BIKEWAYS.
BUT, UM, SO IT'LL, IT, I GUESS THE ANSWER IS REALLY THERE IS ALL VARIETY OF COMBINATION OF FUNDING, UM, GOING INTO EVERY PROJECT.
MOST OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE MULTIPLE CO-BENEFITS, UH, INCLUSIVE OF THE BIKEWAY AND URBAN TRAIL NETWORK COVERAGE, BUT ALSO THINGS LIKE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, UH, LOOKING AT VISION ZERO, UM, CRASH REDUCTION STRATEGIES.
UH, THERE'S ALSO SPEED MANAGEMENT BENEFITS, UH, WHICH RELATE HEAVILY TO SAFETY OUTCOMES AND EVEN TRANSIT ENHANCEMENT AND TRANSIT ACCESS, SPEED AND RELIABILITY.
SO ONE OF THE, I THINK, CORE STRENGTHS OF THE OVERALL MOBILITY BOND PROGRAM IS THAT THERE ARE THESE PROGRAM PROGRAMS THAT MANAGE FUNDS UNDER OFTEN INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS WITH VARIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, NOT TO EXCLUDE, YOU KNOW, SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL AS WELL.
AND THEN THOSE PROGRAM LEADS WILL OFTEN COLLABORATE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUSTIN OR HIS COLLEAGUES WITH URBAN TRAILS WILL COLLABORATE WITH OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE BIKEWAYS PROGRAM AND VISION ZERO PROGRAM TO COME UP WITH A, UM, CO-FUNDED PROJECT THAT DELIVERS THOSE MULTIPLE BENEFITS.
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SO I THINK, UM, WHEREVER WE CAN, WE'RE PULLING MULTIPLE PROGRAMS TOGETHER TO DELIVER PROJECTS, AGAIN, WITH THOSE CO-BENEFITS.IN THE CASE OF THE ONE YOU YOU BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY, I, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE SOLUTIONS COME OUT OF, OUT OF ON STREET ALIGNMENTS THAT, THAT OFFER THAT DIRECT CONNECTIVITY A LITTLE BIT, HOPEFULLY QUICKER THAN MAYBE THE LONGER PROTRACTED PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE BEEN ALLUDING TO WITH URBAN TRAILS.
UM, NOT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T WANNA GO AFTER THOSE, THOSE, THOSE, UM, ALIGNMENTS AS WELL TO PROVIDE THAT OFF STREET MORE NATURE BASED, UM, ENVIRONMENTS.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT SOMEWHAT HELPS AND HAPPY TO EXPLORE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC PROJECTS AS WELL.
BUT IT, IT REALLY IS A COMBINATION.
I ACTUALLY, A REALLY QUICK QUESTION TO GO ON THAT BUDGET.
UM, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE YOUR DIVISION HAS WITHIN TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS? A PERCENTAGE OF, SO THE TOTAL BUDGET, UM, FOR PROGRAMS AND KIND OR PROJECTS, I SHOULD SAY.
WHAT, WHAT SLICE OF THE PIE, HOW MUCH DOES URBAN OR 'CAUSE I NOW IT'S TWO, RIGHT? SO NOW IT'S SIDEWALKS AND URBAN TRAILS TOGETHER UNDER YOUR DIVISION.
UM, SO HOW MUCH, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL BUDGET? I HAVE NO IDEA.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT IF POSSIBLE.
WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT NUMBER TO YOU.
OUR OVERALL BUDGET, AND THERE'S OPERATING IN CAPITAL, SO ON THE OPERATING SIDE, WE'RE ABOUT $200 MILLION A YEAR DOWN SIDE.
I THINK WE'RE SOMEWHERE RIGHT AROUND THAT TOO.
UM, SO WE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AND WE CAN, WE, WE CAN LOOK AND GET BACK TO YOU.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SEE A VISUAL OF HOW MUCH IS COMING IN AND WHERE IT'S GOING, UM, JUST TO SEE IN TERMS OF, BECAUSE THERE, IT'S A LOT OF GREAT WORK THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT JUST WANNA SEE WHAT SLICE OF THE PIE OF THAT BUDGET YOU RECEIVE WOULD BE NICE, I GUESS.
UH, YOU HAVE A, I HAVE A SUPER QUICK QUESTION.
I HOPE, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE BUILDING SIDEWALKS, UM, ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THESE ARTERIALS THAT ARE, DON'T FALL UNDER CDS, UM, DO YOU EVER CREEP INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY, LIKE THE VEHICLE RIGHT OF WAY AND LIKE DO ANY SORT OF LIKE LANE NARROWINGS OR DO YOU HAVE, LIKE, ARE YOU REQUIRED TO STAY WITHIN THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY USED FOR SIDEWALKS WHEN YOU, UH, DO MAINTENANCE OR INSTALLING OR ANY LIKE, SORT OF STREET PROJECT OR REDESIGN? DO YOU EVER DO ANY LANE NARROW? ARE LANE NARROWINGS ON THE TABLE, I GUESS GENERALLY FOR PROJECTS? YES, THEY ARE.
UM, AND SO WE, WE, WE USE WHAT WE CAN AND SO TREES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PARKING AND FOR INSTANCE, AND
SO, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT TRUMP, UH, TREES AT VARIOUS TIMES.
BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHATEVER OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN TO EXTEND THE CURB INTO THE STREET, UH, CONTINUE THAT SIDEWALK MAYBE AROUND, UM, UTILITIES OR TREES IN A LOT OF CASES.
AND SO SOMETIMES THAT DOES MEAN, UH, NEARING THE LANE OR REMOVING PARKING.
UH, BUT WE WORK WITH OUR AREA ENGINEERS AND, AND THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION GROUP, ESPECIALLY LAURA'S TEAM.
UM, AND THEY, THEY DESIGN THOSE CHANGES OFTEN AND, UH, AND THEN MAKE SURE THEY'RE VETTED, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN, AND THEN OUR TCM ALSO HAS, UH, GREAT GUIDELINES, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW AS WELL.
COMMISSIONERS, I'M LOOKING AROUND TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR OUR PRE PRESENTER.
LET ME CHECK IN WITH OUR FOLKS ONLINE IN PARTICULAR.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORY AS WELL.
UM, I NOTICED THAT IT SAID IN 1991, THE A DA WAS PASSED, AND THEN IN 2009 THE TRANSITION PLAN CAME ABOUT.
UM, IS THAT A COMMON LENGTH OF TIME FROM THE PASSAGE OF THE A DA TO A PLAN FOR COMPLYING WITH IT? UM, THE, THE PASSAGE OF THE A DA REQUIRED CITIES TO DEVELOP A TRANSITION PLAN WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF ADOPTION OF THE A DA AND, AND ACTUALLY COMPLETE ALL THE REQUIRED, UM, UPGRADES WITHIN THREE YEARS.
AND SO, UM, TO DATE, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CITY THAT'S ACTUALLY COMPLIED WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, THERE'S A NEED AND AN URGENCY TO TRY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
YOU KNOW, WE HEAR STORIES ALL THE TIME, UH, OF PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO GO IN THE STREET BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALKS IN DISARRAY.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VITAL TO ACTUALLY TRY TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND THE COMMITMENTS THAT THE A DA KIND OF SET OUT.
UM, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS A LONG TIME, BUT, UM, LIKE I'VE MENTIONED TOO, AUSTIN'S REALLY DOING A GREAT JOB OF REALLY STARTING THAT PROCESS, BUT WE'VE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO.
ARE THERE ANY PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? UM, WELL
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THERE'S, THERE'S CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS AND CONSENT DECREES.THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, UM, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN A COMPLAINT IS MADE AGAINST A JURISDICTION, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATES THAT COMPLAINT AND THEN, UH, WORKS WITH THE CITY TO EITHER SETTLE OR, OR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S THEN COMPLYING WITH THE RULES AND THE, AND THE, AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE A DA AND, AND, AND, AND ELIMINATING THAT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
SO, UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO FEES ASSOCIATED WITH IT OR ANYTHING.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A LAWSUITS AND, YEAH.
DO YOU KNOW, HAS THAT HAPPENED IN AUSTIN? UM, NOT TO THE, NOT TO THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
NOT TO THE SIDEWALK FACILITIES.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME LAWSUITS FOR LIKE, UH, THE, THE BUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT OVER THE PAST.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF, OF PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING A LOT OF ISSUES, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT'S KEPT US OUT
AND, AND, AND, UH, AND, AND YEAH, IT'S, IT'S GREAT WHAT AUSTIN IS DOING, UH, BUT WE JUST NEED TO KEEP, KEEP GOING.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, HAVE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UM, SPECIFIC ADVOCACY FROM, UH, CERTAIN GROUPS, YOU KNOW, REGARDING A DA COMPLIANCE WITH THE SIDEWALK PLAN, OR NOT REALLY? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? HAS THERE BEEN ANY, HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY DIRECT OUTREACH OR REQUESTS FROM ADVOCACY GROUPS ON, WITH RESPECT TO THE A DA AND THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM? YEAH, SO THE A DA TRANSITION PLAN, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLAN IS TO, IS TO PROVIDE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY WITH DISABILITIES, UH, TO PROVIDE INPUT INTO THE PLAN.
AND SO WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH GROUPS LIKE A DAPT AND DISABILITY RIGHTS GROUPS, UM, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, UM, FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND, UM, AND, UH, A COMMISSION, UH, FOR SENIORS IN AGING.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE, UH, A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS WERE INVOLVED IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS THAT, THAT REPRESENT THAT GROUP.
I'M LOOKING FOR, UM, MORE QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK COMMISSIONER
I JUST LIKE WANNA KEEP PRESSING IT OVER AND OVER.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU, UM, YOU'LL, YOU CAN SEE IF IT'S ON BY LOOKING KIND OF AROUND THE YEAH.
THE END OF IT, BUT IT'S ON AND IT'S, MINE'S NOT LIT UP.
IT'S JUST, WELL, WHO KNOWS? IT'S, IT'S WORKING, SO THAT'S GOOD.
UM, SO I AM LOOKING ALWAYS AT MY ONLINE PEOPLE, UM, BUT I KNOW I, OF COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, I THINK, AND COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ WITH MORE QUESTIONS AS WELL, SO I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, I GUESS.
THIS IS THE ONE I WANTED TO ASK THE MOST AND I MISSED IT.
UM, I THINK ONE THING THAT WE DON'T REALLY DO AT ALL, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF IT HERE IN AUSTIN THAT A LOT OF CITIES LIKE ATLANTA AND EVEN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT HOUSTON HAVE REALLY SUCCEEDED AT, IS TRAILSIDE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? THERE ARE SO MANY PLACES, LIKE ON THE RED LINE TRAIL, EVEN THE SHOAL CREEK TRAIL, WHERE YOU HAVE BUSINESSES KIND OF TURN THEIR BACKS TO THE TRAIL RATHER THAN USE IT TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE.
UM, AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT TOOLS YOU HAVE TO SHAPE DEVELOPMENT, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE SITE PLAN PROCESS ONE, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING KIND OF IN THE NORTH VERNA GATEWAY AREA.
ONE, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY IN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE TIER ONE TRAILS PLAN, AND THEN TWO, TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TWO, OR EVEN ALLOW THEM IN CASES WHERE THERE MIGHT BE RESTRICTIONS TO OPEN UP ONTO THE TRAIL TO CREATE THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
UM, SO WHEN, WHEN A SITE PLAN COMES IN, OR EVEN BEFORE THAT, IN SOME CASES, UM, UH, UH, OUR, UH, TRANSPORTATION REVIEWERS WILL CONTACT THE URBAN TRAIL PROGRAM WHENEVER THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF A TRAIL, UH, ALIGNMENT.
AND SO, AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO WORK WITH THOSE DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE EITHER HAVE AN EASEMENT OR THEY OFTENTIMES PROVIDE A TRAIL THROUGH A PARKLAND DEDICATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO MAYBE A PORTION OF THE TRAIL THAT WOULD EXIST FOR A WHILE TILL WE'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE OTHER SITES.
UM, AND UH, SORRY, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE TWO MAIN POINTS? YEAH, SO YOU JUST ANSWERED THE RIGHT AWAY.
UH, BUT THE OTHER PART IS TO ENCOURAGE TRAIL SUPPORTIVE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO, AND SO AGAIN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONNECTING TO THE TRAIL
AND SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE JUST WORKING ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE CONNECTIONS TO THE TRAIL.
AND, AND I LIKE HOW YOU SAID IT, LIKE, DEVELOP THE BUSINESSES AROUND THE TRAIL INSTEAD OF MAYBE ON THIS SIDE OF THINGS.
SO, UM, THAT'S A GREAT CONCEPT.
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WORKING WITH THEM.UM, AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT ANY, UH, SPECIFIC PROCESS OR, YOU KNOW, THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS MANY CONNECTIONS RIGHT NOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE REALIZING THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A GREAT BENEFIT TO THEIR COMMUNITY, UH, FOR CONNECTING TO THAT TRAIL.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
YEAH, I DO JUST WANNA ADD THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THE DEVELOPMENTS IN ATLANTA IN PARTICULARLY ARE REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING.
YOU KNOW, UM, I, I WOULD SAY TOO THAT LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DO THINK WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
LIKE I KNOW OF ALONG THE NORTHERN WALNUT CREEK TRAIL, WHICH I'M SUPER FAMILIAR WITH, A LOT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVE PUT THEIR GATES, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET IN AND OUT FROM YOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX TO GET THAT EXERCISE.
I THINK URBAN TRAILS ARE KIND OF DIFFICULT.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING HERE TODAY IS THAT THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE THESE WEIRD LIMINAL SPACES.
THEY'RE SORT OF, THEY'RE SORT OF PARKS, THEY'RE SORT OF COMMUTER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, THE PRIOR CHAIR TO THE UTC COMMUTED ON, UH, HE, LIKE, HE ON AN URBAN TRAIL AND LIKE PEOPLE, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT, LIKE, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS IN EARLIER UTC MEETINGS, UH, WITH A VERY DIFFERENT BODY COMPOSITION WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SPEEDS.
LIKE PEOPLE LIKE USING LIKE VEHICULAR CYCLING DOWN TRAILS 'CAUSE THEY'RE COMMUTING AND THEN LIKE YOUR TODDLERS RUNNING DOWN THE TRAIL, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SO THERE'S SOME, CAN BE SOME CONFLICTS IN URBAN TRAILS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS LIKE, UH, FACILITIES LIKE YOU'RE TALKING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BERGS FROM SPUR ARE HELPFUL.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION OF, OF TRAILS IS KIND OF TRENDING TOWARDS THIS IDEA THAT THERE ARE PARKS, WHICH I THINK IS TRUE, BUT I THINK THERE'S THIS WAY, WHICH THEY CAN ALSO BE A THIRD SPACE.
SO YOU COULD HAVE LIKE A BREWERY OR CAFE OVERLOOKING THE, THE CAFE, THE TRAIL SLASH PARK SLASH BIKE COMMUTER HIGHWAY.
LIKE, SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY CAN BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND IN A DIFFERENT, UM, CONTEXT AND LOCATION.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CHALLENGING.
BUT I THINK IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT, AND NORTH AUSTIN, WHICH I'M FAMILIAR WITH A LOT, UM, WHERE THERE'S AREAS WHERE THERE COULD BE WAREHOUSES OR BUSINESSES LITERALLY BACKING THEIR DOCKING AREA TO THE TRAIL DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, I MEAN, IF WE'RE KIND OF REHABILITATING A PREEXISTING SITUATION, THAT MIGHT BE WHAT WE CAN GET.
BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, HOW CAN WE TRANSFORM THOSE SPACES TO OPEN IT UP AND, AND MAKE IT MORE POROUS AND, UH, HUMAN-CENTERED.
AND, AND ALSO NOT BEING TOO STRICT ABOUT LIKE, THIS IS A WILDERNESS PARK OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? LIKE IT CAN BE ALL OF THOSE THINGS AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND CONTEXTS AND LOCALES.
SO, UM, SO WOULD THAT INCLUDE, LIKE WOULD THAT BE LOOKING AT INCENTIVES FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS? LIKE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD YEAH, POSSIBLY.
AND THAT COULD ALSO BE EVEN LIKE PARTNERSHIPS WITH DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE IF YOU HAVE A, A SITE ON AN URBAN TRAIL AND YOU'RE, OR PROJECT PUTTING TOGETHER A SITE PLAN URBAN TRAIL, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF, IF WE KNOW WE HAVE TIER ALREADY AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THEM, WOULDN'T, COULDN'T WE ACTUALLY SAY LIKE, IF, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT COMING TO THIS, THESE ARE THESE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR DUMPSTERS OVERLOOKING THE, THE URBAN TRAIL OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YES.
UM, BUT THAT'S LIKE INNER DEPARTMENTAL STUFF TOO, I WOULD THINK AS WELL.
WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THIS WORK FOR YOU JUSTIN, SO THAT'S GREAT.
SO, UM, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, COMMISSIONER EL? I DID.
SO, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AND SO PROJECTED, YOU KNOW, 1 52 WHAT THE AVAILABLE ONLY 60 AND YOU TALKED ABOUT BONDS AND GRANTS.
CAN YOU SPEAK OR KIND OF EXPAND ON THOSE PARTNERSHIPS WITH NON-PROFITS, CAP METRO C-T-R-M-A, KIND OF WHAT IS THE CURRENT, I GUESS, PARTNERSHIPS TO RECEIVE FUNDING AND THEN THE POTENTIAL, THE OPPORTUNITIES TO RECEIVE THAT FUNDING? 'CAUSE IT JUST SAYS HERE PARTNERSHIPS, BUT KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IN PRACTICE.
YEAH, AND, UH, LAURA, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR
UM, YEAH, SO, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH CCTR MAY ACTIVELY EVEN, UH, UH, ON, ON A PROJECT IN SOUTH AUSTIN AND TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, INSTALLING URBAN TRAILS WHERE THERE'S AN URBAN TRAIL CONNECTION ALONG, ALONG THEIR FRONTAGES.
UM, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS ALL THE TIME.
CAP METRO, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE CAP METRO BUS YARD, AND YOU KNOW,
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT THAT'S A GREAT PARTNERSHIP IN ORDER TO GET THAT KEY TRAIL CONNECTION WHERE WE COULDN'T PUT IT DIRECTLY IN THE RAIL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THAT AREA.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING WITH THOSE FOLKS.
UM, AND SO LAURA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, MAYBE? UM, THOSE ARE GREAT EXAMPLES AND MM-HMM.
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AND YEAH, VERY HELPFUL, UM, CONNECTIVITY WHERE IT, YEAH, IT CAN BE A REAL HEAD SCRATCHER,AND SPEAKING OF GRANTS, UM, SO CAPITAL METRO AND THE CITY WENT FOR A RAISE GRANT AND GOT 18 MILLION FOR THE, UH, GENERALLY THAT EAST FIFTH CORRIDOR.
SO EXTENDING THE, THE, UM, CROSSTOWN BIKEWAY FURTHER, UH, TOWARDS, UH, LIKE PETALS AND POIN VALLEY, UM, THAT'LL CONNECT, YOU KNOW, FIVE MAJOR TRAIL SYSTEMS, REDLINE MOAN, THE CROSSTOWN BIKEWAY, UM, GOSH, I'M, I AM EVEN BLANKING ON A FEW OF THE OTHERS.
BUT IT'S A, IT'S A CONFLUENCE OF TRAIL SYSTEMS, UM, THAT ACTUALLY I THINK HAS A DECENT AMOUNT OF TRAIL SIDE ACTIVATION WITH DEVELOPMENT, ALTHOUGH CERTAINLY COULD DO, COULD DO MORE THERE.
UM, THAT'S A GREAT PARTNERSHIP.
UM, LIKE JUSTIN SAID, WITH THE C-T-R-M-A, IF YOU REALLY COUNT LIKE LINEAR FOOT FOR LINEAR FOOT OF URBAN TRAILS, THERE'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY MORE ALONG OUR MAJOR HIGHWAYS THAN ANY OTHER, UH, ANY OTHER GROUP, UM, IN THE REGION.
BUT IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT ALL OF THAT WORK, UM, WE DO TRACK IT, UH, ON THE AUSTIN TEXAS.GOV/AAA BIKE NETWORK, ALL H ABILITY BIKE NETWORK, THAT INCLUDES THE URBAN TRAIL CONNECTIONS AND, AND WHAT AGENCY IS DOING IT, UM, BUILDING THAT TRAIL.
SO WE DO, WE DO, UM, MAN OR TRACK ALL OF THAT WORK ACROSS THE REGION, UM, WITH TRAVIS COUNTY AND, UM, WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAS A LOT OF AMAZING TRAIL SYSTEMS. THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT.
AND, AND, UM, THE MORE WE CAN CONNECT TO THOSE, THE BETTER.
WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION ON OPPORTUNITIES FOR CROSSINGS OF, YOU KNOW, I 35 IN KEY AREAS WHERE THAT'S A HUGE BARRIER TO THE URBAN TRAIL AND BIKEWAY NETWORK.
UM, YEAH, PARTNERSHIPS ARE HUGE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A HUGE LAND AREA TO COVER, UM, 300 PLUS SQUARE MILES.
AND A LOT OF OUR TRAILS, TRAILS, UH, OBVIOUSLY FOLLOW RAIL ALIGNMENTS.
SO THAT'S A
AND, AND, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH THOSE FOLKS, WHETHER IT BE UNION PACIFIC OR CAP METRO AND, AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SIMILAR GOALS IN TRYING TO PROVIDE THIS NETWORK.
UM, ALSO EVEN WITH THE CAP METRO BIKE SHARE, FOR INSTANCE, REALLY FOCUSING BIKE SHARE LOCATIONS ALONG URBAN TRAILS, UM, FOR, FOR COMMUTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
I PROMISE WE WEREN'T GONNA RESTRAIN OURSELVES IN OUR QUESTIONS TODAY, AND I DON'T THINK WE DID, UM,
UM, WE ARE, UH, WE MAY, UH, STAFF, WE WANNA LET YOU KNOW, WE MAY LOOK, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION OF, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER A RECOMMENDATION TO SORT OF UNLOCK BARRIERS, PARTICULARLY FOR URBAN TRAILS, BUT ALSO INCLUSIVE OF SIDEWALKS.
AND SO YOU MAY SEE SOME ACTION FROM US IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS BASED ON SOME THINGS WE LEARNED HERE, OR SOME INDIVIDUALS FROM OUR COMMISSION MAY REACH OUT TO Y'ALL TO GATHER SOME MORE INFORMATION OR INPUT AS WE, UH, POTENTIALLY TEE THAT UP.
WE JUST TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO SUPPORT Y'ALL'S WORK, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN TODAY.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, THAT WAS OUR ONLY DISCUSSION ITEM, SO WE'LL TAKE OURSELVES RIGHT THROUGH THE COMMITTEE UPDATES AND THEN, UH, I THINK HAVE SOME MAYBE, UH, PRETTY DECENT DISCUSSION ON OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS UPCOMING.
SO WE'LL RUN THROUGH OUR COMMITTEE
[3. Update from Commissioner Schumacher from the Downtown Commission regarding actions taken at the May 15, 2024 meeting ]
UPDATES.UM, ONE, UH, FIRST, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION MAY 15TH, 2024 MEETING.
UM, ONE PRESENTATION I THINK WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR FOLKS WOULD BE, UH, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON STREET IMPACT FEES.
UH, MAYBE AN INTERESTING ONE FOR THE COMMISSION TO GET, OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL JUST WANNA WATCH THAT.
I, YEAH, WE'RE JUST REAL BUNCH OF DORKS HERE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT, WHAT EVERYONE DIDN'T HEAR WAS THAT THIS WHOLE SIDE WAS LIKE, OOH.
LIKE THAT, THAT UNDERLYING TONE OF EXCITEMENT.
UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT MEETING? YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A GUY WHO BROUGHT A DOCKLESS, UH, MOBILITY RECOMMENDATION, BUT I THINK WE COVERED THAT ONE.
UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS NOT HERE, SO WE WON'T HAVE THAT UPDATE FROM THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE.
UM, THAT BRINGS US BACK TO COMMISSIONER
[5. Update from Commissioner Schumacher from the Bicycle Advisory Council regarding actions taken at the May 21, 2024 meeting]
SCHUMACHER FOR THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COUNCIL UPDATE.UM, WE GOT, UM, TWO INTERESTING PRESENTATIONS.
ONE WAS THE, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE AUSTIN ENERGY E-BIKE REBATE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS A UPDATE ABOUT ACTIVE BIKEWAY
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PROJECTS, UH, THAT ARE IN THE L MAP AND, UH, UM, GOING ON.[6. Update from Commissioner Kavelman from the Pedestrian Advisory Council regarding actions taken at the May 6, 2024 meeting ]
ON FROM COMMISSIONER KAMAN ON THE PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COUNCIL REGARDING THEIR MAY 6TH MEETING.UM, WELL THAT WAS THE SAME ONE THAT I GIVE YOU UP UPDATES ON LAST TIME.
AND WE HAVE NOT, WE'RE DOING A BACKPACK THIS MONTH, SO WE HAVE DID NOT MEET YESTERDAY.
[7. Update from Chair Somers on the City Council Mobility Committee regarding the May 23, 2024 meeting]
UH, CHAIR SUMMERS ON THE CITY COUNCIL MOBILITY COMMITTEE MEETING.UM, I DID GO THERE AND IT WAS, UM, I MISSED THE APRIL MEETING, GOT KIND OF GOT RECONFIGURED.
SO I GAVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT OUR LAST SEVERAL MONTHS OF MEETINGS, UH, AND THERE, AND, UM, I SHOULD HAVE TEED IT UP THEIR AGENDA, UM, BECAUSE I AM JUST NOT PREPARED.
I HAD MY OTHER ONE READY TO GO.
I DIDN'T STAY FOR THE WHOLE THING.
UM, SO THEY HAD BASICALLY, UH, THEY HAD, UH, MY BRIEFING, THEY HAD URBAN TRAILS AND SIDEWALK PROGRAM UPDATES SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST HEARD JUST NOW.
AND THEY ALSO HAD THE MI METRO BIKE BIKE SHARE SYSTEM, UM, PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE HAD A FEW MONTHS AGO.
IT'S, THEY'RE A COUPLE MORE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, WE MIGHT WANT ANOTHER UPDATE ON THE BIKE SHARE UPDATES IN THE NEXT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT IT WITHIN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, MAYBE, OR MAYBE NOT.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, WE, THEY HEARD THAT AND THAT WAS, UH, AND THEN THEIR MOBILITY ANNUAL PLAN, WHICH IS JUST SORT OF LIKE THEIR ANNUAL SPENDING, UM, ON, UM, DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
UM, AND THEN AN UPDATE FROM ME ON
[8. Update from Chair Somers from the Community Advisory Committee for Austin Transit Partnership Board regarding actions taken at the May 9, 2024 meeting]
THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR AUSTIN TRANSIT PARTNERSHIP.UM, AND THAT WAS, UM, THEY HEARD THE PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE.
WE'VE GIVEN A LOT OF REGULAR UPDATES ON THE CAT METRO, UM, REALLY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CAT METRO POLICE, UM, TRANSIT POLICE.
SO THAT'S BEEN VERY INTERESTING AND DETAILED, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE.
AND THEN ALSO THE MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE WORKFORCE PLAN.
SO THIS IS VERY INTERESTING WITH THE ROLLOUT OF PROJECT CONNECT.
THERE'S, UM, MANY NEW TYPES OF JOBS BEING CREATED.
UM, SOME JOBS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD BEFORE, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD LIGHT RAIL BEFORE, OTHER JOBS WHERE WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND FOR MANY OF OUR, UM, SKILLED TRADES, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, A LACK OF WORKFORCE OR WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT, UM, PEOPLE TO FILL THE DEMAND.
AND THAT EXISTS NOW, AND THAT OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO BE CREATED.
SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING, UM, SORT OF AN INFRASTRUCTURE SCHOOL TO, UM, TO HELP EDUCATE THE WORKFORCE FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT IN AN EQUITABLE WAY, WHICH IS VERY, VERY INTERESTING.
UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THOSE ISSUES, I'D RECOMMEND YOU CHECK IT OUT.
UM, THAT TAKES US THROUGH OUR COMMITTEE UPDATES.
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
AGENDA ITEMS, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUEUED UP HERE.SO LET ME, UM, READ YOU, WE DON'T HAVE IT ON PAPER IN OUR PACKET, SO I'LL JUST READ OUT WHAT WE HAVE AND, AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA, MANUAL UPDATES, UH, TCM UPDATES.
UH, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM PARKING ENTERPRISE.
SO THIS WOULD JUST BE ON THE GENERAL, UH, UNIT OF PARKING ENTERPRISE, WHICH INCLUDES CURB MANAGEMENT, PARKING BENEFIT DISTRICTS, UH, PARKING, TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS, PARKING PROGRAMS IN GENERAL.
SO SORT OF A JUST GENERAL UNIT UPDATE FROM THEM.
AND THEN ALSO JUST MAYBE A SOUTH CONGRESS SPECIFIC PART OF THAT TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ROLLING THAT OUT AND JUST HOW IS IT GOING TYPE OF YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD ASK FOR THAT IF THEY COME BY, DO THE UPDATE ON THE SOUTH CON CONGRESS ROLLOUT UPDATE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE ON HERE, E-E-T-O-D, SO AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, ETOD DID PASS THROUGH COUNSEL, BUT, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO IMMEDIATELY BASICALLY START WORKING ON THE NEXT YEAR'S WORTH OF ETOD PLANS AND UPDATES.
SO GETTING INTO THAT EARLY, UM, AND MAKING SURE WE'RE IN THEIR DOCKET.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING I, I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE, THAT WE'RE IN THEIR DOCKET OF REGULAR UPDATES.
SO I THINK, UM, UH, THAT YEAR TWO UPDATE IS GOOD.
UM,
IT'S EQUITABLE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT CONVERSATION IS AUSTIN IS, IS PRIMARILY AROUND SUPPORTING, UM, PROJECT CONNECT, BUT UM, AND DEVELOPMENT TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN EQUITABLE FASHION AROUND THE PROJECT CONNECT LIGHT RAIL LINES AND METRO RAPID LINES.
SO, UM, OF COURSE, UM, I HAVE ON HERE A PARTNERSHIP WITH TECH DOT, SO THIS IS SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA ACHIEVE THIS, BUT THIS IS ME TRYING TO CHECK IN WITH TXDOT ON HOW THEY'RE SUPPORTING OUR MOBILITY PROGRAMS
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AND SPECIFICALLY, UM, SOME OF OUR BONDING AND CORRIDOR PROGRAMS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE ABLE TO DELIVER ON THAT FOR Y'ALL, BUT I'M GONNA TRY.UM, WE ALSO SAID WE WANTED TO HEAR, HEAR GREEN STREETS COME BACK, UM, MAYBE IN THE RANGE OF JULY THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
WAS THAT KIND OF WHAT WE HAD SLATED OUT FOR THAT WHENEVER IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD THE WALK BIKE ROLL UPDATES, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WAS REALLY LIKE A FALL TIMELINE THAT WE HAD FOR THAT.
YEAH, THERE'LL BE A YEAR FROM PASSAGE.
SO, OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY URGENT.
UM, WE, SOMEONE HAD SUGGESTED TO ME, SO I'LL ADD TO THIS, UM, SOME OF Y'ALL MAY BE AWARE THAT THERE WAS, UM, A PLAN PROPOSAL, UM, INNOVATIVE CONCEPT THAT WAS ROLLED OUT JUST IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, REALLY CALLED CITY LEAP.
THIS IS FROM SAFE STREETS AUSTIN.
UM, IT'S A PRETTY TRANSFORMATIVE PROPOSAL ABOUT HOW TO, UH, POTENTIALLY REDEDICATE SOME OF OUR STREET SPACE.
UM, UH, SOME PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED ON HEARING A POSSIBLE PRESENTATION ON THAT OR EVEN TAKING UP, TAKING UP, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE TAKING SOME ACTION AROUND THAT.
SO THAT WAS, UH, ONE THING THAT HAD BEEN PITCHED.
WE MIGHT, I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULDN'T GET AT LEAST A PRESENTATION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAD FEEDBACK ON THAT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE OTHER, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE ON THEIR DOCKET? WE HAVE A STANDING ITEM TO GET UPDATES ON.
UPDATES ON PROJECT CONNECT, BUT I GUESS WE HEARD LAST WEEK THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING UNTIL THE FALL.
YEAH, I THINK, UM, I THINK THEY'RE PLANNING AFTER THEIR LE INPUT ROUNDS.
I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY CORRECT, BUT, UM, I THINK WE COULD REACH OUT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY PROJECT CONNECT IS NOT JUST THE LIGHT RAIL AS WE WELL KNOW.
SO, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING FROM A TP THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HEAR FROM.
UM, AND DEFINITELY AN UPDATE FOR THAT IN THE FALL ABOUT THE LIGHT RAIL PLANNING.
OH, AS PART OF THAT, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE? WE HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THE BUSES, THE RAPID LINES IN A LONG TIME.
AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THE TWO THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO ROLL OUT LAST YEAR GOT DELAYED TILL NEXT YEAR.
SO IT'D BE COOL TO HEAR SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE RAPID LINES THEY SHOULD HAVE.
AND I'M CONFUSING BECAUSE, UH, CAC HAS, UH, THE PROJECT CONNECT COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS HEARD FROM ABOUT THE REP REP METRO BUS ROLLOUT, AND THEY SHOULD HAVE FROM THAT, THEY SHOULD HAVE A DECK THAT THEY COULD GIVE US PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO THIS BODY TO SEE THAT.
UM, SO I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY ADD THAT, UM, TO OUR LIST.
UM, YES, COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, UM, SO I HAVE TWO, UM, ONE I ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING OUR ANNUAL REPORT.
'CAUSE WE'RE TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BODY IS ONE THAT LIKES TO DO ANNUAL REPORTS.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AN ANNUAL REPORT.
I KNOW LIKE, IT, IT IS IN ORDINANCE, BUT I KNOW LIKE 90% OF COMMISSIONS DON'T DO IT.
SO I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THAT IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE NEXT.
IT IS REQUIRED, BUT OFTEN FORGOTTEN.
SO I DID SEND AN EMAIL TO CHAIR SUMMERS, UH, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET ABOUT THAT, SO YEAH, I, I DIDN'T, I WAS GONNA BRING IT UP AFTER THIS MEETING.
AND WHEN IS THAT DUE? JULY 31ST.
WE CAN PREPARE THAT FOR OUR JULY MEETING, UM, FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2018.
SO, UM, I THINK WE DID ONE, ONE YEAR THAT I WAS, WAS I ON IT? I DON'T THINK I WAS ON IT IN 2018.
I THOUGHT WE MAY HAVE HAD ONE.
UH, ONE OTHER, UH, I WOULD LOVE AN UPDATE ON THE AUSTIN CORE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MANY PROJECTS THAT HAS WAS, UH, SHEPHERDED BY THE GREAT DAN HENNESSY.
AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT ROUND'S COMING.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE OF IT.
I I WOULD LOVE TO, DID DAN LEAVE THE CITY? YES, HE DID.
SO I WOULD SAY TENTATIVELY I WOULD LOOK AT THAT FOR A SEPTEMBER MEETING.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU KNOW, NATALIE, AND MAYBE THIS IS A CALL THAT ME AND YOU NEED TO HAVE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAD SORT OF PRIORITIZED FOR JULY, 2018 ANNUAL? I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S NEWER ONES THAN THAT THAT AREN'T THERE ONLINE.
I CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT, BUT YEAH.
UM, THERE, I HAD ONE, ONE ITEM ON THE JULY, ON MY JULY LIST, UM, AND IT WAS THE ONE YOU MENTIONED
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ACTUALLY, THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR JULY IN THE, IN THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. LET ME GRAB MY PHONE FROM YOU.OH YEAH, I HAVE YOUR PHONE AND MY PHONE.
WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE GOOD IF WE BROUGHT A TABLE WITH US AND KIND OF LAID OUT THE NEXT FEW MONTHS SO THAT Y'ALL COULD REACT TO THAT AND WE CAN POPULATE THAT? WOULD THAT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THE CONVERSATION? I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIER.
I THINK, I MEAN THIS TIME SPECIFICALLY, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
WE DIDN'T DIDN'T HAVE IT ON PAPER AND THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE, BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AS A COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IS WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARGE OF OUR TOPICS THAN WE WERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WHICH I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT.
BUT I THINK THAT IN THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WHEELING AND DEALING, NATALIE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN YOU AND ME TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT AND THEN SOMEONE CALLS US AND IS LIKE, CAN WE GET THIS ON? AND SO I THINK HAVING IT STACKED UP LIKE THAT COULD BE HELPFUL.
I, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A SPREADSHEET SO I COULD START SHARING IT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF THE WORD DOCUMENT.
UM, AND ALSO I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A, ON ANOTHER DOCUMENT WHERE I HAVE LIKE ALL OF THE BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COUNCILS, COMMITTEES IN ONE, ONE PLACE SO THAT I CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THINGS WOULD FIT TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THEY'LL FIT BETWEEN ALL FOUR MAYBE.
UM, SO LIKE I CAN, I CAN WORK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU AS WELL.
AND, UM, I THINK ONE THING I'D ALSO LIKE TO DO IS WHEN UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENTS OR DIVISIONS SAY WE'RE GONNA COME TO YOU QUARTERLY IS LIKE, WORK ON REALLY MAKING THAT SUPER ACCOUNTABLE.
LIKE, IF YOU'RE GONNA REPORT TO US QUARTERLY OR YOU'RE GONNA REPORT TO US TWICE A YEAR, LIKE, WE NEED THAT REPORT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S SOME HESITANCY THERE AND I, I JUST WANNA, LIKE, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE WANNA REALLY BE HEARING REGULARLY.
SO, SO I GUESS ONE QUESTION I'D HAVE ON THAT IS, LIKE, SAY THEY SAY QUARTERLY, DO YOU WANT ME TO, TO PUT IT ON THEIR CALENDAR FOR EVERY THREE MONTHS AND JUST HAVE IT THERE? THAT'S WHAT QUARTERLY MEANS.
THAT I, I KNOW THAT I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT, UH, LIKE IN CASE YOU MIGHT WANNA SEE 'EM A MONTH EARLIER, LIKE, HEY, PUSH IT BACK A MONTH.
I THINK IT'S JUST TO, IT'S, I THINK IT'S GENERALLY JUST GOOD TO HAVE IT ON THERE THAT GETS US IN THE HABIT AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SEE WE ABSOLUTELY CAN'T DO IT IN FEBRUARY BECAUSE OF X, Y, OR Z.
LIKE WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN DEFINITELY OFFER SOME GRACE TO WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT THAT INTENSE, BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S YOU THING, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ADDING THAT TO THEIR MENTAL SPACE THAT WE WANNA HEAR FROM THEM.
SO, UM, I THINK IF THEY KNOW THAT AND IT GETS SCHEDULED, THEN WE BUILD THAT AS A HABIT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
I THINK ONE THING THAT COULD ALSO BE HELPFUL ON THAT, UM, IN THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH LIKE CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES, WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM, YOU KNOW, ONCE A QUARTER.
BUT UM, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHER THINGS IT MAY BE HELPFUL IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NOT A FULL PRESENTATION NEEDED IF LIKE WE COULD JUST GET A MEMO, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, IS DONE A LOT AT, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I OFTEN, THERE ARE TIMES WE SEND UP A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN I HEAR LIKE SEVEN MONTHS LATER THAT THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE LOVE THIS RECOMMENDATION.
AND LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE LIKE, HEY, JUST A QUICK MEMO.
WE, WE GOT THIS RECOMMENDATION WE'RE IT'S STARTING TO IMPLEMENT IT, HERE'S THE TIMELINE.
LIKE THAT KIND OF STUFF WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
I THINK IF, IF Y'ALL IDENTIFY THOSE ONES THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET A MEMO ON COMPARED TO A PRESENTATION WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
I THINK THE TWO THAT WE'RE THE MOST WANTING TO HEAR THESE REGULAR UPDATES ARE PROBABLY PROJECT CONNECT.
AND UM, AND I KNOW THAT'S COMPLEX 'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE TRI-PARTY TYPE SITUATION GOING ON THERE.
BUT, UM, AND ALSO, UM, CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES, THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS, BUT LIKE THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE I JUST REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THEIR DOC DOCKET, UM, TO GET THOSE UPDATES PRETTY REGULARLY.
ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? YES.
SO, UM, NOT GONNA CREATE A WORKING GROUP 'CAUSE WE ARE NOT POSTED FOR THAT, BUT, UH, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF US WHO WANT AN ACTION ITEM ON URBAN TRAILS.
IF SOME OF US WANT TO WORK IN AN INFORMAL GROUP IN A SUB QUORUM.
I I WILL JUST THROW THAT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE WOULD BE READY FOR THAT IN JULY OR AUGUST MAYBE.
YEAH, I THINK, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK 'CAUSE YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE T-C-M-T-C-M YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE T CM WELL, SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S LIKE IF THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF A RECOMMENDATION IF OH, SURE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE I'D WANNA GET AN UPDATE IN JULY.
I DON'T, I I'M GONNA GUESS THE TCM IS NOT READY FOR AN UPDATE IN JULY.
NO, BECAUSE THEY, I THINK THEY DID LIKE A PRETTY BIG OVERHAUL RECENTLY.
RIGHT? WAS IT LAST YEAR? OBJECTIONS.
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OKAY.I, I HAVE JUST BEEN HEARING IN PRESENTATIONS LIKE FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF THAT, OH, WELL THERE'S A TCM UPDATE COMING UP AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL CHANGE, UH, LIKE I'VE HEARD IT A LOT WITH LIKE SIGNALS THAT SIGNALS ARE GONNA GET CHANGED IN THE TCM, UH, BUT THEN I, IT'S JUST LIKE BEEN THIS PHANTOM THING THAT, AND I KNOW THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS THAT CRITERIA MANUALS HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS IN THAT PROCESS.
I, I THINK THAT WE'RE SUCH DORKS, WE REALLY WANNA GET UP INTO THE TCM AND I THINK, UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T, MY IMPRESSION IS WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT AS MUCH AS WE WOULD'VE LIKE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS OR SO.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH URBAN TRAILS AND THEN IF THERE'S THINGS THAT ALIGN WITH THAT IN TCM LATER ON, WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS, AND WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT EVEN FINDING OUT WHEN, WHEN THOSE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUALS ARE SLATED TO, TO GO FORWARD MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
WAS THAT YOU SAYING YOU WANNA ADD CREATING A WORK GROUP AT THE NEXT MEETING TO THE AGENDA? I DON'T WE NEED, OR DO YOU WANT TO BE UNOFFICIAL? DON'T NEED DO A FORMAL WORKING GROUP.
I WAS JUST SAYING MAYBE LET'S PLAN FOR AN ACTION ITEM AND THEN SOME OF US CAN WORK TOGETHER.
PLAN FOR AN ACTION ITEM ON URBAN TRAILS AND PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO THAT WILL COMMUNICATE THAT IN A TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT COMPLIANT WAY AND PERFECT.
SO MAYBE JUST MAKE SURE, MAYBE HAVE, JUST HAVE A ACTION ITEM ON URBAN TRAILS ON JULY.
AND I THINK WE CAN GET THERE AND IF WE CAN'T, THEN WE'LL MOVE IT TO AUGUST AS NEED BE.
I DO SEE SOMETHING FROM HEATHER.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS QUITE YET AN AGENDA ITEM.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK, UH, HAS ANYONE HERE BEEN CONTACTED BY THE AUSTIN GHOST BIKE PROJECT ABOUT, UM, UH, UH, I GET, OKAY, SORRY.
I, UH, I RECEIVED FROM SOME OUTREACH AND SO DID COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, UM, FROM FOLKS AT THE GHOST BIKE PROJECT ABOUT CREATING SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION OR RESOLUTION TO PROTECT GHOST BITES FROM BEING REMOVED FROM, UM, CITY PROPERTY WHEN THEY'RE PUT UP.
UM, BUT WE ARE STILL, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT YET, SO, UM, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING ON THAT WITH THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COUNCIL.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP HERE IN CASE, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE THEY HAD REACHED OUT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO I WANTED TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAD SPOKEN TO ANYONE THERE AND WAS AWARE OF THAT QUESTION.
THAT'S, UM, DEFINITELY, UH, SEEMS LIKE A REAL INTRIGUING POLICY AREA TO, TO, TO DISCUSS.
COULD BE A, A GREAT, UH, ITEM IN THE FUTURE, OR WE COULD SECOND SOMETHING THAT BAC DOES.
UM, SOMETIMES WE JUST DO THAT GOOD JOB, BAC, WE ALSO AGREE.
SO, UM, JUST DEPENDING ON WHO WANTS TO LEAD ON THAT, BUT YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
YEAH, I THINK WE'LL WORK ON IT AND, YOU KNOW, BRING IT AS AN UPDATED, ANYTHING COMES, I JUST WANTED TO CHECK.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, FOLKS.
WELL, UH, SHORTER MEETING IN THE LAST COUPLE, WHICH IS GREAT.
UH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE WITH US TODAY.
UH, WITH THAT, IF I, I, WITH NO OBJECTION.
UM, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 7:49 PM.