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BE THE CHAIR OF THE

[CALL TO ORDER]

HISTORIC LANDMARKS COMMISSION, AND TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 5TH, 2024.

AND WE ARE, UH, DOWNTOWN AT THE, UH, CITY HALL.

UH, WE APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING IN OUR NORMAL CHAMBERS, AND WE APPRECIATE EVERY MA, EVERYBODY IN TIGHTER QUARTERS TONIGHT.

UH, EVIDENTLY THE REUPHOLSTERING CHAIRS NEXT DOOR.

SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING DUE.

UH, WHAT WE'LL BE DOING, WHAT I'LL DO TONIGHT IS, UH, DO A QUICK REVIEW OF THE AGENDA AND, UH, I WILL, AS I GO THROUGH THE AGENDA, INDICATE, UH, WHICH OF THESE ARE CONSENT, POSTPONEMENT, OR DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, REVIEW EACH OF THOSE AGENDAS, THE POSTPONEMENT AND THE CONSENT.

IF AT ANY TIME THERE IS AN ITEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, PLEASE GET MY ATTENTION.

UH, THESE ARE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

THESE ARE COME TO US RECOMMENDED.

AND, UH, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION, WE'LL DO SO AT THAT TIME.

UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, HOWEVER, UH, LET ME GO AHEAD AND, UH, CALL ON STAFF TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND CALL ROLL.

ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BEN HEIM.

SETH PRESENT, COMMISSIONER WHIT FEATHERSTON PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER KEVIN COOK IS NOT HERE YET.

COMMISSIONER CARL LAROCHE.

PRESENT, COMMISSIONER TREY MCCARTER.

PRESENT, COMMISSIONER HARMONY GROGAN.

PRESENT, COMMISSIONER JAIME ALVAREZ.

PRESENT, COMMISSIONER ROXANNE EVANS, PRESENT, COMMISSIONER RAYMOND CASTILLO.

PRESENT, COMMISSIONER JUAN RAYMOND RUBIO.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER TARA DUDLEY IS ABSENT TONIGHT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, THE FIRST ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ARE BRIEFINGS.

UH, THE FIRST ONE, ITEM NUMBER TWO, WILL BE A PRESENTATION FROM THE CODE DEPARTMENT, UH, REGARDING THEIR BUILDING AND STANDARDS, UH, PROCEDURES.

UH, THE SECOND ONE WILL BE, UM, THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT PROGRAMS. AND THE NEXT STEP FOR THE EQUITY BASED PRESERVATION PLAN.

JUST TO HOP IN REAL QUICK, THE, UH, KARA'S BRIEFING HAS BEEN POSTPONED, THE PRESERVATION PLAN BRIEFING.

OKAY.

AND THAT WILL BE TILL NEXT, NEXT MONTH.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL HAVE ONE LESS BRIEFING, AND THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ACTION, AS THAT IS NOT POSTED FOR ACTION.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR,

[Consent Agenda (Part 1 of 2)]

UH, THIS IS A, UH, ITEMS IN THE HISTORIC, OR EITHER HISTORIC LANDMARKS OR WITHIN THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THESE APPLICATIONS ARE FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, OR OTHERS.

AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS 1000 BLANCO STREET.

UH, THAT ACTUALLY IS A WITHDRAWN APPLICATION AND NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.

ITEM NUMBER 5 8 0 1 LYDIA STREET.

UH, THAT IS A PROPERTY IN THE ROBERTSON, STEWART AND MAYOR, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT.

ITEM NUMBER 6 18 0 7 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ IN THE BURNER, CLARK MERCADO, UH, I'M SORRY, THE BURNER CLARK MERCADO HOUSE, UH, THAT IS, UH, POSTED FOR POSTPONEMENT BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, 1 0 0 3 EAST NINTH STREET IN THE ROBERTSON, STEWART AND MAYOR, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, THAT ALSO IS A POSTPONEMENT, UH, FROM THE STAFF.

ITEM NUMBER 8 11 0 7 EAST 10TH STREET IN THE ROBERTSON, STEWART AND MAYOR, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, THIS IS AN ITEM POSTED FOR CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 9 7 0 3 OAKLAND AVENUE, THE SMOOT TERRACE PARK, UH, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, THAT ITEM IS POSTED FOR CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER TEN NINE HUNDRED SPENCE STREET, UH, THAT IS IN THE WILLOW SPENCE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.

BY THE WAY, THESE ARE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT PERMIT APPLICATIONS.

UH, IN THE NEXT, UH, PART OF OUR AGENDA, UH, THAT WILLOW SPENCE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 10 IS, IS A DISCUSSION ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 11 14 0 9 ALTA VISTA AVENUE IN THE TRAVIS HEIGHTS FAIRVIEW PARK NATIONAL REGISTER.

HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 12 18 0 6, UH, EXCUSE ME, EIGHT 16 CONGRESS AVENUE IN THE CONGRESS AVENUE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 13, 6 11 EAST SIXTH STREET.

UH, THERE IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT.

ITEM NUMBER 14 15 19 ALAMEDA DRIVE, THE TRAVIS HEIGHTS, FAIRVIEW PARK NATIONAL RE REGISTER DISTRICT, UH, THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 15 21 0 3 NEWFIELD LANE IN THE OLD WA UH, UH, WEST AUSTIN NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THAT IS A CONSENT, UH, ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 16 2100 TRAVIS HEIGHTS BOULEVARD ON THE TRAVIS HEIGHTS, FAIRVIEW PARK NATIONAL REGISTER.

HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 16.

ALRIGHT,

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LET'S TAKE THAT OFF.

CONSENT.

AND THAT IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

ITEM NUMBER 16.

ALRIGHT, UH, ITEM ITEMS IN THE REMAINING PART OF OUR AGENDA, THE DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION PERMIT APPLICATIONS.

ITEM NUMBER 17 AT 73 0 4 KNOX LANE.

THAT IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUEST AT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REQUEST.

ITEM NUMBER 18 AT 5 0 1 TEXAS AVENUE, UH, THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 19 12 0 5 COTTON STREET, UH, THAT IS OFFERED FOR, UH, DISCUSSION.

UH, COMMISSIONER, THERE IS A QUESTION APPLICANT MAY POSTPONED BY APPLICANT.

DID THAT COME THROUGH? OKAY.

SO THAT IS ACTUALLY A, UH, POSTPONEMENT REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT.

ITEM NUMBER 20 4700 SOUTH CONGRESS AVENUE, NUMBER 10.

AND THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

SURE, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 20.

OKAY, THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM.

ITEM NUMBER 20 IS DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM 21, UH, 3 0 0 1 SOUTH CONGRESS, UH, AVENUE NUMBER FIVE, UH, THAT IS ALL POSTED, UH, AS A DISCUSSION ITEM 22 17 0 2 EAST MARTIN LUTHER KING, UH, JUNIOR BOULEVARD.

UH, THAT IS POSTED FOR DISCUSSION 23, UH, 1704 EAST MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD.

THAT ALSO IS POSTED FOR DISCUSSION.

AND IT'S LIKELY THAT THOSE TWO WILL TAKE TOGETHER, UH, IF WE, IF, IF THE COMMISSION SO CHOOSES.

ITEM NUMBER 24, UH, 1915 ROBINS PLACE, UH, THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 25, UH, LET'S SEE, 1 0 4 1 3 SOUTH IH 35 SERVICE MB UH, THAT IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUEST BY STAFF.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 26 25 0 7 EXPOSITION BOULEVARD.

UH, THAT IS A CONSENT ITEM 27 CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 26.

OKAY, THAT IS PULLED AND THAT IS NOW A DISCUSSION ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 27 29 0 6 BRIDAL PATH.

AND THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

UH, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 28, UH, A LETTER TO COUNSEL REGARDING THE FANNIE DAVIS, UH, TOWN LAKE GAZEBO.

AND THAT IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUEST BY STAFF.

AND ACTUALLY IT MAY COME BACK AS A RESOLUTION.

THERE'S, UH, IN OUR NEXT, NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA, UH, AFTERWARDS WE'LL HAVE, UH, UPDATES FROM OUR COMMITTEES.

SO, UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES TO, UH, OR REQUESTS FOR, UH, CHANGES? OTHERWISE, I WILL READ THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, ONCE AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN PULLING IT OFF THE AGENDA, LET ME KNOW.

UH, ONCE THE CONSENT AGENDA IS PASSED, THEN THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN FULLY ACTED UPON, UH, PENDING STAFF'S, INCLUDING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION CHAIR.

WE HAVE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION FOR NUMBER EIGHT 11 AND 14.

EIGHT.

UH, OKAY.

SO WE WILL THEN PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION ITEM 11.

AND THEN SAM WILL HAVE THE, UH, THE SPEAKER LIST HERE IN JUST A MOMENT.

11.

THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION.

AND I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? 18, 14, UH, NUMBER EIGHT, 11 AND 14.

OKEY DOKE.

HAVE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.

SO IN ORDER TO HAVE DISCUSSION, WE WILL PULL THOSE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SAM, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION FROM THE BOOK, YOUR HONOR, AND OF ANY OF THE, THOSE THAT I'VE CALLED OUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST OR WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PULLED? YES, MA'AM.

I'M AGAINST NUMBER EIGHT.

NUMBER EIGHT.

OKAY.

UH, AND WE DID HAVE AN OBJECTION BY EMAIL AS WELL.

SO LET US, UH, THAT'S ALREADY A CONSENT, UH, THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT'S ALREADY A DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT WE'RE ALL READY FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT, RIGHT? IS THAT EVERYTHING? I'LL REVIEW THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FIRST.

SO, UH, THE CURRENT CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF THE MINUTES OF MINUTES, THANK YOU, WAY THERE AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

CONSENT ITEM NUMBER ONE, MINUTES FROM MAY 24TH, 2024.

UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, 7 0 3 OAKLAND AVENUE, UH, IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 12 8 16 CONGRESS AVENUE.

ITEM NUMBER 15, UH, 2103 NEWFIELD LANE.

ITEM NUMBER 18 5 0 1 TEXAS AVENUE.

AND ITEM NUMBER 24 19 15

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ROBIN'S PLACE.

AND ITEM NUMBER 27 29 0 6 BRIDAL PATH, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA CHAIR.

I MOVE TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

UH, SECOND, UH, UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LAROCHE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.

AND ANY OPPOSED? AND I SEE NONE.

SO THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, LET'S SEE, COMMISSIONER COOK ON THE, UH, DIOCESE WITH US AT THIS POINT.

UM, SO I'LL NOW GO TO THE POSTPONEMENT REQUESTS.

AND THE, UH, FIRST POSTPONEMENT REQUEST IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

UH, THAT IS AT 8 0 1 LYDIA STREET, ITEM NUMBER 6 18 0 7 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ.

ITEM NUMBER 7 10 0 3 EAST NINTH STREET.

ITEM NUMBER 13 6 11 EAST SIXTH STREET.

ITEM NUMBER 17 73 0 4 KNOX LANE.

ITEM NUMBER 19 12 0 5 COTTON STREET.

ITEM NUMBER 25.

UH, THAT'S TEN FOUR HUNDRED THIRTEEN SOUTH IH 35 AND ITEM.

AND THAT'S IT.

ITEM NUMBER 28, EXCUSE ME.

YES.

ITEM NUMBER 28.

ALRIGHT, THAT IS A, A, A LETTER, UH, RESOLUTION.

ALRIGHT, THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE POSTPONEMENT CHAIR.

CHAIR.

I MOVE TO PASS THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT AGENDA.

SECOND, UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON, PASSED BY, UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LAROCHE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.

ANY OPPOSED? SEEING NONE.

THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

ALRIGHT, THAT IS, THAT IS PASSED.

UM, AT THIS POINT THEN WE CAN PROCEED TO OUR FIRST PRESENTATION.

UH, THIS IS A PRESENTATION BY, IS IT ROBERT MOORE IS HERE, UH, FROM THE, UH, CODE DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION PROCESSES CHAIR.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY FOR CITIZEN

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

COMMUNICATION.

OKAY.

EXCUSE ME, MR. MOORE, WHICH YOU KIDDING? YES, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL HOLD ON THAT.

AND, UH, I SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS.

UH, THIS IS FOR ANY ITEM IN FRONT OF, UH, THAT YOU CAN BRING ATTENTION TO THE COMMISSION THAT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO AGENT.

SO PLEASE, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, PROCEED.

YOU HAVE TO PUSH THE BUTTON.

BUTTON.

THERE YOU GO.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS ERIC STANDRIDGE AND I HAVE SPENT OVER HALF MY LIFE AS A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT ONE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

I'M HERE TODAY TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AT 1500 EAST 12TH STREET, AKA, THE FORMER EYES ADVISOR GROCERY STORE, CAFE EAST END SALOON CLUB, 1500 BEAUTY AND BARBERSHOP.

PALLADIUM CLUB, CAROL'S RECORD SHOP, THE MINISTRY OF CHALLENGE, AKA, THE RAREST OF RARE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES IN EAST AUSTIN.

A CENTURY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE HYBRID HOUSE CORNER STORE AT THE INTERSECTION THAT INCLUDES TWO OTHER LANDMARK PROPERTIES.

THE SOUTHGATE LEWIS HOUSE AND THE IQ HURDLE HOUSE RECOMMENDED ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITY VALUE IN MULTIPLE HISTORIC SURVEYS AND CITED AS A PRESERVATION PRIORITY BY THE D ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

IT'S IN ROUGH SHAPE, NO DOUBT.

YOU WOULD BE TWO IF YOU WERE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD AND SUBJECT TO A DECADE OF NEGLECT FOLLOWING ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS BEING TORN DOWN AND VACANT LOTS BECOMING THE NORM.

AND YET, EVEN TODAY, THIS BUILDING IS BARELY STILL THERE.

THE OWNER OF THIS OBVIOUS HISTORIC ASSET HAS CHOSEN TO BEGIN DEMOLITION WITHOUT AN APPROVED PERMIT.

SURELY THEY AND THEIR CONSULTANTS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, HAVING OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR OVER A DECADE AND SUBJECT TO NUMEROUS CODE COMPLIANCE CASES.

AND BEING THE OWNERS OF NUMEROUS OTHER PROPERTIES ON 12TH STREET, INCLUDING THE BOARDED UP IN VACANT LANDMARK IQ HURDLE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, THERE HAVE BEEN MISSING WINDOWS, DANGLING FASCIA AND SIDING AND GENERAL DESPAIR AT THIS PROPERTY.

FOR ALL OF MY RECENT MEMORY, THIS IS A CASE STUDY FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.

HOW IS THAT NORMAL? ONLY IN EAST AUSTIN CAN WE AGREE.

APPLYING FOR THE PERMIT IS NOT THE SAME AS GETTING A PERMIT.

PRESERVATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE ARE HARD.

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SO IS DEVELOPMENT GENERALLY.

AND YET STILL IT HAPPENS ALL OVER THIS TOWN.

THIS ITEM HAS NOW BEEN POSTED FOR YOUR JULY MEETING, BUT FRANKLY I HOPE THERE IS STILL A BUILDING LEFT TO DISCUSS.

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS BODY CAN'T CONTROL LAND SPECULATION, BUT PLEASE DON'T EXCUSE THIS LATEST AFFRONT TO THE HISTORY OF EAST 12TH STREET.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

UM, APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP TO OUR ATTENTION.

AND IS THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMUNICATION? YES.

NEXT UP WE HAVE MS. CATHERINE ERDLE.

OKAY.

PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE.

IS THE SPEAKER PRESENT SIGNED UP FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATION? IT MIGHT BE IN THE LOBBY.

NO, AS WELL.

I'LL GO SEE IF SHE'S IN THE LOBBY.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMUNICATION OR IS THAT THE ONLY ONE? YES, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SIGNED UP TODAY.

OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE PROCEED WITH THE NEXT ON THE LIST AND IF, UH, THERE'S OTHER SPEAKERS AVAILABLE, THEY CAN PROCEED.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TOMMY SARA BUSA.

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? TOMMY? COME TO THE MICROPHONE, IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.

UH, MY NAME IS TOMMY SARA GUA.

UM, , UM, MY WIFE ANGELA EMON IS ALSO HERE THAT I'M GONNA SPEAK ON FOR BOTH OF US.

WE HAVE, UH, LIVED IN, UM, AUSTIN 28 YEARS.

UH, WE BOUGHT OUR FIRST HOME 25 YEARS AGO.

UM, 2100 TRAVIS HEIGHTS BOULEVARD.

UM, VIOLET EAST STEP WAS THE FIRST OWNER.

SHE AND HER HUSBAND ROY, BUILT IT IN THE MID FIFTIES.

UM, WE'RE ONLY THE SECOND OWNERS AND WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE HAVE THAT HOUSE BECAUSE SHE WANTED US TO HAVE IT.

SO I THINK IF SHE WERE SITTING HERE, SHE WOULD TELL YOU THAT SHE AND ROY, THEY BOUGHT, THEY BUILT THAT HOUSE WHEN THEY WERE IN THEIR FIFTIES.

THEY HAD NO CHILDREN.

THEY'D LOST A CHILD.

UH, AT AGE NINE WHEN WE MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT IN MAY OF 99, WE HAD A 9-YEAR-OLD, UH, DAUGHTER.

UM, AND WE BELIEVED THAT VIOLET WANTED US THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, IT WASN'T A VERY EXTRAORDINARY HOUSE, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE ENERGY THAT WE FELL IN LOVE WITH.

UM, WE'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY IN THAT HOME, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME HOME THAT WE BOUGHT 25 YEARS AGO.

AND IT'S OUR FOREVER HOME.

I'M ALMOST 60, OR I AM 60.

IN FACT, MY WIFE IS ALMOST 60.

I DON'T LOOK, I DON'T LOOK IT I GUESS.

BUT THE NUMBERS CHECK OUT THIS HOME IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TWO ONE, IT'S NOT MUCH TO LOOK AT.

UM, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED MORE SPACE NOW THAT WE HAVE A GRANDCHILD AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE THERE, UH, THE REST OF OUR LIVES.

AND THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST HAVE TO DO.

THINGS THAT VIOLET WOULD'VE DONE HAD SHE HAD THE MONEY TO DO IT.

THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THIS HOUSE ARE NOT ENERGY EFFICIENT.

THEY WERE PROBABLY THE CHEAPEST THINGS YOU COULD BUY IN THE MID FIFTIES.

UM, WE DID AN ENERGY AUDIT IN MAY OF 99 SO THAT WE COULD GET A REBATE, UH, BASICALLY A DISCOUNT ON OUR HVAC SYSTEM THAT WE INSTALLED.

THERE WAS NO HVAC SYSTEM AT THE TIME.

AND AS PART OF THAT ENERGY AUDIT, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PASS YOU NOW.

WE DID SOME INSULATION, WE CHANGED SOME SCREENS TO, TO BE TO CODE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY MENTIONED WAS, YOU'VE GOTTA REPLACE THESE WINDOWS WITH ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS OR IT'S NEVER TRULY GONNA BE ENERGY EFFICIENT 'CAUSE THEY JUST LEAK LIKE A SIEVE.

SO DO THE THE DOORS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS HOUSE TO A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO LIVE OUT OUR DAYS.

WE DIDN'T DECIDE TO GO UP.

WE COULD HAVE, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS NOW AFFORDED TO US, GIVEN THE DENSITY, UH, PLAN, UM, WE KNOW WE DON'T WANNA CLIMB STAIRS IN OUR SENIOR CITIZENSHIP.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO HAVE ANOTHER BATHROOM.

UM, AND REALLY NOT CHANGE THE FUNDAMENTAL NATURE OF THIS HOME.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT A RANCH HOME, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S HOW IT IS LOOKED AT.

IT'S, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, UH, SOMEWHERE IN, IN BETWEEN A RANCH HOME AND MID-CENTURY MODERN.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO REALLY IS, IS DIAL UP THE MID-CENTURY MODERN ASPECT OF IT AND KEEP CONTINUITY BETWEEN, IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT IT WHEN WE'RE DONE, I WANT THEM TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS ALWAYS THERE WHEN WE BUILT AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT, WE DID THE SAME THING.

SO THAT'S TIME.

LET ME CLARIFY.

YES.

UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE ADDRESS ON THIS PROPERTY, AGAIN, 2100 TRAVIS HEIGHT BOULEVARD, 2100 TRAVIS HEIGHT BOULEVARD.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A FUTURE CASE.

IS THAT THE REASON WHY YOU ARE BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION? SURE.

THAT'S ACTUALLY ON OUR AGENDA.

IS ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S THEN THAT WAS NOT A CITIZEN'S COMMUNICATION THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.

OH, SORRY.

BUT I WAS JUST CALLED, I WAS.

ALRIGHT, WE MAY, WE IT'S OUR MISTAKE.

I'M HERE, BUT WE APOLOGIZE.

YOU STARTED THE PRESENTATION.

WE'LL CATCH YOU LATER.

OKAY.

SO I CAN, I CAN COME BACK.

REMEMBER ALL OF THAT.

WE'LL, UH, WE'LL HAVE IT COME BACK UP AGAIN.

ALRIGHT.

IT

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SOUNDED MORE LIKE A, A PRESENTATION THAN A A GENERAL.

YEAH.

I'M NOT MUCH OF A SPEECH WRITER.

I JUST SPEAK FROM THE HEART, SO WE APPRECIATE IT.

SORRY TO GET YOU STARTED.

UH, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE OUT OF ORDER UNFORTUNATELY.

ARE THERE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION MEMBERS WHO ARE TALKING ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT AGENDA ITEMS? YES, I BELIEVE SO.

WE HAVE NEXT WE HAVE EDUARDO PONTE.

I'M SORRY IF I'M BUTCHERED YOUR LAST NAME BY THE WAY.

OKAY.

IF YOU'RE HERE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

AND THIS IS A GUN.

UH, THIS AGAIN IS PERTAINING TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL PICK IT UP AT THAT TIME.

THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM.

SO THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE EXCEPT WE HAVE ANDREA HILL AND ANDREA, UH, THIS IS ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT A POSTED AGENDA ITEM.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, WHICH AGENDA ITEM IS IT? NUMBER 10.

900 SP STREET.

IF YOU WOULD SPEAK MORE GENERALLY THEN? YEAH, VERY GENERALLY.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT HISTORIC.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I LIVE IN.

I'VE LIVED IN FOR 31 YEARS.

MY HOUSE IS MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.

IN GENERAL, IF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IT AS AN IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU SHOULD TOO.

SO THIS ANGERS ME AND ANNOYS ME.

THE LAST TIME YOU DID A DEMOLITION PERMIT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.

THE PEOPLE HAD JUST BOUGHT THE HOUSE A YEAR BEFORE ENTIRELY FOR SPECULATIVE REASONS.

YOU GRANTED THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.

HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.

FIRST, THEY GOT CITED AND HAD A STOP WORK ORDER 'CAUSE THEY WERE VIOLATING THE TERMS OF THEIR DEMOLITION PERMIT.

NOW THEY'VE HALF BUILT SOMETHING UP THERE.

COULD YOU, UH, COULD CALL UP GOOGLE EARTH 82, UH, SAN MARCO STREET SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT'S THERE.

SO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THAT DEMOLITION PERMIT WAS GRANTED WERE TWO NICE LITTLE BUNGALOW STYLE HOUSES THAT WERE ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, EVEN THOUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROTESTED, YOU GRANTED THAT PETITION.

AND WHAT WE TOLD YOU WAS THAT IT WOULD RUIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WOULD START A CHAIN REACTION.

AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY HAPPENED.

SO WHAT'S UP THERE NOW? IS THIS A CURRENT PICTURE? YES MA'AM.

WHAT'S UP THERE NOW HAS BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS WITH NO CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S NOT REALLY CURRENT 'CAUSE I HAVE A MORE CURRENT PICTURE, BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA.

IT'S A HALF-BUILT, FOUR LITTLE THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE FOUR LITTLE CONDOS.

THEY HAVE NOT BUILT ANYTHING ON IT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

I GUESS THEY'VE RUN OUTTA MONEY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED.

THE HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COME AND SLEEP THERE.

THERE'S A PORTA POTTY.

THEY USE IT, IT STINKS.

THERE'S TRASH EVERYWHERE.

SO Y'ALL GRANTED THAT DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR TWO VERY NICE HISTORIC OLD BUNGALOWS.

AND THE REPLACEMENT IS THIS CRAP RUINS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NO ONE'S BUILDING ON IT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY RAN OUTTA MONEY, THEY VIOLATED THE PERMIT.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT JUST SITS THERE AND RUINS.

THIS IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM 900 SP STREET, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALL OF US DO NOT WANT ANY MORE DEMOLITION PERMITS.

NO MORE OF THIS CRAP.

900 SPIN STREET IS A CUTE LITTLE BUNGALOW.

I KNOW IT'S IN BAD SHAPE, BUT IT'S A UNIQUE STYLE IN OUR WISH THAT YOU GUYS WOULD PLEASE DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

PLEASE KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTACT.

DON'T DECIDE YOU CAN DO ONE PERMIT.

'CAUSE IT, IT SETS IN MOTION A WHOLE NETWORK OF MORE PEOPLE WHO BUY HOUSES SO THEY CAN DE DEMOLISH THEM AND, AND MODERNIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS IS A NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER.

PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T, DON'T DEMOLISH 900 SMITH STREET.

I KNOW IT'S AN OLD HOUSE.

I KNOW IT'S NOT IN GOOD SHAPE, BUT SOMEONE BOUGHT THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO JUST WITH AN EYE TO DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND I ASKED YOU TO QUIT DOING IT.

THANK YOU.

BEFORE YOU GO, UM, I REMEMBER HEARING, HEARING YOU SPEAK A COUPLE MONTHS AGO OR A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

YEAH.

JUST A REMINDER THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING AGAINST AN OWNER WISHES, THAT ULTIMATELY MAKES IT UP TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND WE DO HAVE A CASE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, 1100 EAST SECOND STREET, WHICH I MENTIONED THAT IS GOING TO CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 18TH.

OKAY.

UM, THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO HEAR THIS TESTIMONY, RIGHT? YOU'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.

SO I DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CIRCLE THAT DATE AND TRY TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK.

WELL, I NOTICED ON ITEM 10 YOU'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO GET 'EM TO DO SOMETHING BESIDES DEMOLISH IT, BUT MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT'S NOT WHAT REALLY HAPPENS.

SO, BUT I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

AND ARE THERE OTHER

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CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS AND THIS NOW WE REALLY DO HAVE TO BE WITHOUT BEING AN AGENDA ITEM.

YES.

NEXT UP WE HAVE MEGAN KING, AH, MS. KING.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MEGAN KING, POLICY AND OUTREACH PLANNER FOR PRESERVATION.

AUSTIN.

I'VE GOT MY MONTHLY UPDATE FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, ON JUNE 15TH, OUR SUMMER GRANT DEADLINE IS CLOSING.

UM, WE OFFER MATCHED GRANTS OF UP TO $10,000 FOR PRESERVATION PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

UM, IN THE CATEGORIES OF BRICK AND MORTAR EDUCATION AND PLANNING AND HISTORIC SURVEYS.

UM, SO ANYBODY, WE HAVE A WHOLE LITANY OF TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO APPLY NEIGHBORHOODS, NONPROFITS, SCHOOLS, ET CETERA, HOMEOWNERS.

SO IF ANYBODY HERE IS, UM, LOOKING FOR FUNDING FOR THEIR PRESERVATION PROJECT, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY BY JUNE FIFTEENTH@PRESERVATIONAUSTIN.ORG.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF EXCITING EVENTS COMING UP.

UM, THIS WEEKEND WE HAVE AN EAST AUSTIN WALKING TOUR.

UM, UH, IT'S CALLED THE ECONOMY FURNITURE STRIKE.

URBAN HIKE OF SITES AND PLACES ASSOCIATED WITH THE AUSTIN CHICANO WAGA, UM, WAS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LABOR MOVEMENTS BY MEXICAN AMERICANS IN THE CITY.

AND OUR INTERN IS PUTTING THAT ON.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO SEE YOU THERE.

AND THEN ON JUNE 15TH, WE ARE HAVING A DIY WOOD WINDOW WORKSHOP, UM, IN HYDE PARK SO PEOPLE CAN COME OUT AND LEARN HOW TO RESTORE THEIR OWN HISTORIC WINDOWS.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UM, SO TICKETS FOR THAT ARE AVAILABLE ALSO@PRESERVATIONAUSTIN.ORG.

AND THAT'S ALL FOR ME.

THANK YOU.

NO, THANK YOU.

VERY EXCITED TO HEAR SOME OF THE PROGRESS THERE.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? THAT IS ALL, AH, THANK YOU.

SO NOW WE WILL PROCEED

[2. Presentation on Code Department and Building Standards Commission processes]

TO OUR, UH, PRESENTATION ON CODE DEPART FROM THE CODE DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION AND THE PROCESSES.

UH, WE'VE HAD COMMISSIONERS, MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL FOLKS ALERT US.

AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE CASES ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, UH, PERTAIN TO, UH, THE NOTIFICATIONS FROM THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS, UH, COMMISSION AND THE STAFF REGARDING DERELICT PROPERTIES.

UH, HOWEVER THEY WERE, UM, ALSO INCLUDING A DEMAND FOR DEMOLITION, UH, IF THEY COULDN'T REMEDY THESE ISSUES, UH, WITHOUT MENTIONING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PROPERTIES.

AND WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM IN A DISTANT PAST.

AND BY AND LARGE, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE WORKED OUT, UH, MANY OF THE STAFF MEMBERS WHO WERE PERTAINING, WHO, WHO KIND OF KNEW WHAT WERE GOING ON, ARE NO LONGER WITH US.

AND OBVIOUSLY NOW THIS IS A, A NEW GROUP AND I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE PULL ON THE SAME, SAME DIRECTION.

SO THESE KINDS OF MISCOMMUNICATIONS OR, UH, NOTICES FROM THE CITY THAT ARE LITERALLY IN CONTRADICTION TO EACH OTHER, UH, THAT WE CAN NIP THIS IN THE BUD RIGHT QUICK.

SO, UH, AND THEN MORE GENERALLY, YOU'VE GOT AN ONGOING QUESTION ABOUT DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.

SO, UH, UH, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD NEEDLESS TO SAY TO YOUR PRESENTATION.

SURE.

APPRECIATE, CAN, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? GOOD.

YOU GOT IT.

TALK REAL LOUD SO I DON'T WANNA GET TOO CLOSE.

UM, APPRECIATE YOU FOR HAVING ME.

AND I AGREE.

I THINK WE SHOULD COLLABORATE AND, UM, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE GOT QUESTIONS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE, UH, HURDLES OF THE HISTORICAL, UM, THINGS THAT ARE SET.

UM, IT'S PULLED UP.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK IT OFF.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME'S ROBERT MOORE.

I'M THE DIVISION MANAGER FOR THE CASE REVIEW AND ESCALATION DIVISION.

UH, WHAT THAT IS IS A DIVISION INSIDE, UH, NOW ABSORBED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AND WE ARE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR HANDLING ALL ESCALATED CASES, UH, THAT GO TO OUR THREE MAIN ENFORCEMENT AVENUES, WHICH ARE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING, MUNICIPAL COURT, AND BUILDING A STANDARDS COMMISSION.

AND WHAT MY TEAM DOES IS WE, UH, TAKE ALL THE, THE CASES THAT ARE SET FOR ESCALATION, WE REVIEW 'EM, MAKE SURE ALL THE, THE CRITICAL ELEMENTS ARE THERE OF THE CASE.

AND THEN WE SCHEDULE, COORDINATE, AND FACILITATE ALL THESE HEARINGS.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WE KIND OF DO.

BUT, UH, I GO AHEAD AND, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I HAVE BAS BASIC, UH, FLOW CHART OF, OF KIND OF THIS, THIS IS NOT, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WHAT YOU WERE WANTING TO HEAR RIGHT OFF THE BAT, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW WHERE THE CASES COME FROM, KIND OF.

SO THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE, HOW WE GET THE CASE, HOW WE WORK IT, AND THEN SEND IT TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.

AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE MORE.

UH, AND I'VE LEFT PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT Y'ALL ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO, WANTING TO HEAR.

SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, THE CALLS COME IN THROUGH 3 1 1, OUR APP SYSTEM OR ONLINE.

UM, I'D SAY 90, 95% OF THE CALLS THEY CAN COME.

UH, WE CAN CREATE A, A CASE ON OUR OWN, BUT WE TYPICALLY DON'T.

WE ARE COMPLAINT ORIENTED.

UM, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING DANGEROUS OR IF WE SEE SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO WRITE UP, WE WILL, UH, WE ALSO GET REFERRALS FROM AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN THERE'S A FIRE OR WHATNOT.

SO IT COMES IN, UH, THEN IT, IT IS

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ASSIGNED TO AN INSPECTOR, UH, AND, AND BY A GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION.

UH, AND THEN IT'S ALSO, THEY USE A C TERM, UM, APPLICATION TO ASSIGN PRIORITY, UH, TO THE INSPECTOR.

AND C TERM IS CODE TIERED, ENFORCEMENT MATRIX OR TERM, HOLD ON.

UH, ANYWAY, CODE TIERED, ENFORCEMENT MATRIX.

AND, UM, THAT IS, I'VE GOT A, A SLIDE AT THE END THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE CRITERIA FOR HOW EVERYTHING'S SET UP, UM, AND HOW IT'S, IT'S ASSIGNED A NUMBER FROM ONE TO FIVE DAYS TO GET OUT THERE, BASICALLY.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

UH, THEN IT COMES IN, IT'S PRIORITIZED, THEN THEY GO OUT AND DO AN INITIAL RESPECT INSPECTION.

UH, IF THERE'S NO VIOLATION FOUND, UH, THEY CLOSE THE CASE.

IF THERE IS A VIOLATION, OBVIOUSLY WE START TO PURSUE IT.

WE TURN IT INTO A CODE VIOLATION CASE.

UM, WE TYPICALLY GO LOOK FOR WHAT'S, UH, REPORTED AGAINST, BUT ALSO WE DON'T HAVE BLINDERS ON.

SO IF WE'RE, THERE'S SOMETHING, A SAFETY ISSUE OR VIOL, UH, HAZARD VIOLATION WHILE WE'RE GOING TO, UH, OR LOOKING AT WHAT, WHATEVER WAS CALLED IN, WE WILL ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.

UH, THEN WE, UH, START COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

IF IT'S A, UM, A, OH MY GOSH, UH, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND, AND TRY TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, LET THE, LET GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY OR BRING THE COM PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.

UH, IF NOT, THEN THAT'S WHEN, UM, THE SUPERVISORS AND THE INSPECTORS GET TOGETHER AND THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT AVENUE THEY FEEL IS GONNA BE MOST SUCCESSFUL TO BRING IN THAT PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.

UH, FOR BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT Y'ALL CARE ABOUT THE MOST.

IT'S TYPICALLY, WELL, IT'S ALWAYS, USUALLY, UM, UM, STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE ISSUES, RIGHT? UH, SO IF IT'S ON THE OTHER SPECTRUM OF STUFF, WE, WE HAVE OTHER AVENUES, BUT, BUT MAINLY, UH, THE STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE STUFF GOES TO THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION.

NOW WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST A BROKEN WINDOW OR A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE TRY NOT TO TAKE THE LITTLE STUFF UNLESS WE JUST REALLY CAN'T GET ANY TRACTION USING ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING OR MUNICIPAL COURT.

UH, BUT TYPICALLY OUR MORE EGREGIOUS PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO THE BUILDING STANDARD COMMISSION.

UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND SO, ONCE IT'S AT THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION, UH, THEIR AUTHORITY BASICALLY IS TO DECLARE THE STRUCTURE OF SUBSTANDARD OR DANGEROUS, AND THEN ORDER, UH, WITHIN A FIXED PERIOD ACTION NECESSARY TO SECURE THE STRUCTURE, REPAIR THE STRUCTURE, VACATE A STRUCTURE, RELOCATE TENANTS, REMOVE PERSONS OR PROPERTY, AND DEMOLISH OR REMOVE ANY SUBSTANDARD BUILDING CONDITION OR STRUCTURE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

ALSO, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HEARING APPEALS, UH, RELATED TO OUR EMERGENCY BOARD AND SECURES UH, NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL LICENSE SUSPENSIONS AND DENIALS, AND THEN THE REPEAT OFFENDER PROGRAM SUSPENSIONS.

SO THAT IS KIND OF THEIR PURVIEW AND WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR.

AND THEN, YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND HIT THE LAST ONE.

THE LAST ONE'S THE C TERM, UH, RESPON, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

CODE TIERED ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE MATRIX.

COULDN'T REMEMBER THE R.

ANYWAY, THERE IS ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE USE OR THAT ACTUALLY 3 1 1 USES TO ROUTE THE CASE TO US.

SO IT ALREADY COMES IN WITH A PRIORITY AND WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY DAYS OR THE INSPECTORS KNOW HOW MANY DAYS TO GET OUT, UH, AND SEE THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT IS THE BASIC GIST OF, AND THE FOUNDATION OF THE BSC.

BUT I WANTED TO LEAVE A LOT OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL PROBABLY HAVE SOME, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST START RIGHT AWAY WITH YOUR NOTICE THAT, UH, GOES OUT.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY AT WHAT POINT IT'S TRIGGERED, BUT, UH, WHEN AN A PROPERTY OWNER IS NON-RESPONSIVE OR IS CONFIRMED TO HAVE VIOLATIONS, UH, YOUR TEXT INCLUDES, UH, YOU'LL FIX THIS OR YOU'LL DEMOLISH THIS.

AND IN NO WAY IS IT REFERENCING THE POTENTIAL OF A HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTY OR ANY OTHER OKAY.

PROCESS BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORDER ITSELF.

SO WHEN WE GO TO THE BUILDING AND STANDS, OR WE GET AN ORDER FOR REPAIR OR DEMO, UM, YES, IT SAYS REPAIR OR DEMO, OR I GUESS TO BACK UP YOU, IF WE GET A REPAIR ORDER, DEMOLITION IS, UH, A SATISFACTORY OUTCOME FOR US, OR VICE VERSA, IF WE HAVE A DEMO ORDER AND THEY WANNA REPAIR IT, THAT IS SATISFACTORY.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THE ORDER SAYS.

RIGHT? UM, BUT WHERE IT DOES RECEIVE A HISTORICAL REVIEW IS IF WE'RE GONNA DEMOLISH IT, THE CITY, OR IF THE OWNER'S GONNA DEMOLISH IT, IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH HISTORICAL REVIEW.

SO RIGHT.

BUT YOUR DOCUMENT DOESN'T, DOESN'T ALERT AN OWNER THAT, AND MORE THAN ONCE IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD OWNERS WHO SAID, HEY, I WAS TOLD I HAVE TO DEMOLISH MY BUILDING.

RIGHT? I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

I'M READY TO DO IT.

I'M PROBABLY PULLING THE PERMIT.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE THIS WHOLE OTHER COMMISSION SAYING, YOU CAN'T DEMOLISH IT.

SO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THAT TO BE CONTINUING.

UH, ANYWAY, I, AGAIN, YOUR DOCUMENTS DON'T INDICATE THAT AT THIS EARLY, AT LEAST IN THE INITIAL STEPS.

UM, COMMISSIONER, YOU, YOU SPOKE TO THE, UM, ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS.

YOU KNOW, REPAIR COULD BE RECTIFIED VIA DEMO.

DEMO COULD BE RECTIFIED, BE REPAIRED.

MM-HMM.

, WHY DO YOU EVER RECOMMEND

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DEMO? WELL, WE RECOMMEND DEMO IF THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE, LIKE IF IT'S IMMEDIATELY DANGEROUS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ALSO JUST BE A STRUCTURAL LIABILITY.

IT CAN ALSO BE A NUISANCE LIABILITY, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF TRANSIENT ACTIVITY, IF IT'S CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, IF IT'S OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE, THOSE ARE THINGS WE CARE ABOUT.

AND IF IT'S A CONCERN, THEN WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND DEMO SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.

I'M ALSO, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW TO LIKE, CLARIFY THE OPTIONS TO THE LANDOWNER AND MAYBE STEER THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU ONLY EVER SAID REPAIR, THEN WE MIGHT NOT, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A PROBLEM HERE ON THIS COMMISSION.

SURE.

'CAUSE THEN IT'D BE LIKE, YEAH.

UM, OR IS THE LANGUAGE USED? DO YOU, ARE YOU SAYING LIKE, YOU NEED TO DEMO THIS BUILDING? OR DO YOU NEED TO ENGAGE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO SEE IF YOU CAN DEMO THIS BUILDING? JUST TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE PEOPLE COME TO US AND THEY SAY THE CITY SAYS WE NEED TO DEMO THIS.

MM-HMM.

.

AND YOU'D BE LIKE, NO, WE DIDN'T.

WE SAID YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO YOUR OPTIONS THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I MEAN, THE DEMOLITION ORDER IS YES, DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE, BUT OBTAIN ALL REQUIRED PERMITS.

AND THE PERMITTING PROCESS GOES THROUGH HIS HISTORIC, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THEY RUN INTO THAT ISSUE.

BUT THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT THEY HAVE TO GET THROUGH.

I MEAN, WE, WE ARE COMING FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT THE CASE AND THAT'S WHEN, WHERE WE ESCALATE IT AND WE HAVE TO PUT PRESSURE ON THIS OWNER TO DO SOMETHING.

YEAH.

AND WE UNDERSTAND, AND SOME OF THE PROCEDURES DO REQUIRE SOME FINESSE, AND IT'S NOT AN EASY, OH, YOU KNOW, JUST NO DOUBT.

LET'S TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

EVERY CASE WE HAVE IS DIFFICULT THAT THAT BEEN DIVORCES, DEATHS.

I MEAN IT'S, WE, WE HAVE A CASE HERE AND IN OUR BACKUP, UH, ON ITEM NUMBER 22, WHICH WE'LL BE DISCUSSING LATER, MM-HMM.

, UH, WHERE YOUR FORM, UH, WAS SENT TO THE OWNER.

AND IT IN NO WAY INDICATES THAT PRESERVATION IS A FACTOR.

MM-HMM.

.

SO THE FACT THAT THIS THEN BECOMES, UH, ESSENTIALLY ANOTHER PARALLEL BUT INVISIBLE PROCEDURE FROM THE CITY, UH, IS THE CONCERN MM-HMM.

AND THE ABILITY TO BE CONSISTENT AND BE AS, UH, EARLY IN ALERTING AN OWNER WHAT THE PROCEDURES WILL BE, WHAT THE CRITERIA WILL BE, AND WHAT THE AGENCIES ARE THAT WILL HAVE AN INTEREST IN THEIR PROPERTY.

UH, THE FACT THAT YOUR FORMS DON'T DO THAT NOW, I THINK WE WE'RE GONNA URGE YOU TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT ONE ADDRESSED IF NOTHING ELSE.

HAVING SAID THAT, THE OTHER END OF IT.

SO THAT'S JUST THE NOTIFICATION ISSUE.

THE OTHER END OF IT, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL CASES AS WELL, UH, THIS, UH, ONGOING PROBLEM, AND AUSTIN BY NO MEANS IS UNIQUE, BUT THE TERM WE USE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT.

BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT, UH, A PROPERTY OWNER FULLY, UH, AWARE, PERHAPS IN SOME CASES, IN OTHER CASES, JUST OUT OF, UH, NEGLECT, LITERALLY, UH, NOT NOT CAPABLE OF DOING SOMETHING WITH THE BUILDING, UH, ALLOWS A BUILDING TO THE, UH, TO DEGRADE TO THE POINT WHERE IN ESSENCE IT IS ALREADY DEMOLISHED.

MM-HMM.

, UH, IT TAKES PLACE OVER TIME.

IT'S A VERY SAD AND OBVIOUSLY FOR THE NEIGHBORS, UH, A VERY AGONIZING ISSUE.

AND THE CITY DOES HAVE SOME ABILITIES TO ENFORCE AND REQUIRE, UH, EITHER THAT THAT IS REMEDIED OR IN SOME EXTREME CASES, OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE ABLE TO TAKE OVER THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE AN OWNER THAT IS COMPLETELY NEGLECTING THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, SO TH THOSE, I DON'T THINK IN ANY RECENT MEMORY, UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH YOU ALL ON, BUT THAT CERTAINLY, UH, IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE PROPERTIES WE'RE SEEING AND SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY SEEING, UH, NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT AND CAN BASICALLY ALLOW SOMETHING NOT TO FESTER AND, AND GET PAST THE POINT OF, UH, NO RETURN.

A HUNDRED PERCENT.

UM, IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ACTUALLY SAYS THE HISTORICAL PRE PRESERVATION OFFICE KIND OF ENFORCES THAT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT TOOLS.

SO WE ARE WORKING, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH CALLAN AND, AND JOY AND, AND, AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF RECEIVERSHIP, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THAT? I'M A BIG FAN OF IT.

I, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET SOME TRACTION ON IT, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE I CAN.

UM, BUT I WOULD LOVE THAT TO BE PART OF, OF OUR, UH, ARSENAL OR, YOU KNOW, AN ARROW IN OUR QUIVER THAT THAT, THAT I'M LOOKING TO, TO INITIATE.

BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET, IF YOU CAN, WE, WE, WE, WE WILL WORK TO SEE IF WE CAN GET YOUR, I KNOW WHAT I THINK RECEIVERSHIP MEANS.

YEAH.

YOU COULD, YOU FLESH THAT A RECEIVERSHIP IS BASICALLY A THIRD PARTY COMES IN, TAKES OVER THE PROPERTY, LITERALLY FIXES IT UP, UM, AND, AND THEN SELLS IT.

OR IF IT'S LIKE A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY COLLECT THE RENTS WHILE THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING THE REPAIRS AND WHATNOT.

AND THEN, UH, THEY EITHER SELL IT OR IF THE OWNER CAN SOMEHOW BUY IT BACK, UH, WHILE THAT'S GOING ON, BUT THEY, THEY BASICALLY TAKE CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY.

I MEAN, I'D BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

YEAH.

I THINK OFTENTIMES THIS COMMISSION, WE, WE WRITE LETTERS AND WE, UH, VOTE ON THEM TO SEND UP UP THE CHAIN TO PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL.

AND WE DON'T GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THOSE.

BUT, UM,

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IT MIGHT BE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH PUTTING IN WRITING THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT EFFORT.

WELL, AND MAYBE A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THIS MEETING THAT WE THINK ARE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE CODIFIED.

I HAVE A COUPLE, COUPLE QUESTIONS.

MM-HMM.

, HOW MANY INSPECTORS DOES THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAVE? UM, WELL, AS FAR AS CODE INSPECTOR, WE HAVE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE ANSWER TO THAT.

THE, LIKE ALL THE INSPECTORS, BUT AS FAR AS THAT COME FROM THE CODE SIDE OF THINGS, UM, I THINK IT'S LIKE 70 NOW.

UH, BUT, BUT THEN THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL, I THINK THEY HAVE 10.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER INSPECTORS THAT DO, UM, PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND, AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

NOT LIKE THE MAINTENANCE STUFF THAT, THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT OR, UM, DO ANY OF THOSE 70, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY KIND OF TRAINING, YOU KNOW, PROGRAM FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND OUR PROCESSES AND ALL THAT? UM, I KNOW, DID YOU COME TO THE RETREAT? I, OKAY.

OKAY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO, OH, WELL THAT WOULD BE FOR THE COMMISSION, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INSPECTORS? UM, NO, I DON'T THINK, UH, HISTORICAL IS IN THAT, BUT WE, WE HAVE A, UM, A CODE ACADEMY IS WHAT IT'S CALLED, UH, AND I THINK IT'S TWICE A YEAR.

AND, UH, YEAH, THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO, TO GET HISTORIC TO COME TO COME TALK DURING THE TRAINING.

WE JUST FINISHED UP ON, ON THE ONE WE JUST HAD, OUR PRESERVATION PLAN RECOMMENDS THAT WE, WE WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH AUSTIN CODE TO CREATE SOME KIND OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALISTS WITHIN ONE OF THOSE 70.

RIGHT.

UM, TO GET THEM TRAINING.

UM, THERE'S SO MANY RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE NOT BEING UTILIZED.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO INTO A PROPERTY THAT IS OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING A CALL FROM FOR CODE INSPECTION, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON IN 2024 IN ONE OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN AMERICA, WHEN WE HAVE GIS DATA TO NOT IMMEDIATELY BE NOTIFIED, THAT'S A HISTORIC PROPERTY, RIGHT? WE HAVE THAT DATA, WE HAVE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEYS THAT ARE USING THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY.

AND SO I, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO IMPROVE TO WORK IN-HOUSE AS A, AS A CITY, BUT THEN ALSO TRAINING THOSE INSPECTORS, YOU KNOW, ON A YEARLY BASIS AS WELL.

SO I, I THINK A LOT OF THESE CAN BE LUMPED INTO SOME KIND OF LETTER LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WIT.

AND I THINK IT MIGHT WARRANT MAYBE ANOTHER VISIT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH YOU OR INDEPENDENTLY WITH SOME, MAYBE SOME GROUP OR COMMITTEE AS WELL.

OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, WHERE ON THE C TERM RESPONSE WOULD DEMOLITION WITHOUT A PERMIT FALL IF THAT WAS REPORTED BY 3 1 1, FOR EXAMPLE, AT 15 30 12.

UH, SO WORK WITHOUT PERMIT, OH, LEMME LOOK AT THIS THING.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

I THINK IT'S PRIORITY THREE, FIVE CLAIM VIOLATIONS.

YEAH.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE THREE.

AND THAT WOULD ALSO PROBABLY LIKE, WOULD DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, LIKE SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS ALSO FALL INTO THAT? YES.

THE PROBLEM IS THERE, LIKE IF IT'S HISTORIC, WE DEFINITELY WANT, I MEAN, IT CAN DEFINITELY HIT TWO OR ONE, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE SEVERITY OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, LIKE IF IT'S ABOUT TO FALL OVER, IT'S ONE.

UH, IF IT'S BROKEN WINDOWS AND SIDINGS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT, IT'S PROBABLY THREE.

ONE.

ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS THESE PRIORITIES MATTER IS BECAUSE YES, IT MAY NOT BE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL THAT YOU'RE SEEING, BUT THE MINUTE SOMEONE BREAKS INTO THIS WOOD FRAME BUILDING, WE HAVE A FIRE.

WE SAW THAT ON CONGRESS.

OH YEAH, WE WORKED.

LOOK AT THAT GIANT LITIGATION NOW THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY AND THE ARCHITECT NEARBY.

LIKE, THIS IS A PROBLEM.

AND SO IF WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF PRIOR PRIORITY FOR THESE HISTORIC RESOURCES, IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE LONG TO SET UP A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ONE OR TWO OF THESE BUILDINGS AND WE LOSE THOSE RESOURCES.

WHY? BECAUSE THE OWNER IS IN CALIFORNIA OR THE OWNER DOESN'T CARE AND THEN THEY'RE NEGLECTING THE WHOLE PROPERTY.

YEAH, NO DOUBT.

I MEAN, BUT EVEN IF WE WERE THERE ON DAY ONE, WE BOARD AND SECURE IT ALWAYS.

IF IT'S, IF IT'S REAL DANGEROUS AND OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE, THEY RIP OFF THE BOARDS.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THERE DOING FIRES AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I, I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT I'D BENEFIT FROM IS WHAT ARE THESE LIST OF INFRACTIONS? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME TO US AND TELL US, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BUSTED WINDOWS, WATER'S LEAKING INTO THIS HISTORIC PROPERTY.

WHAT CAN YOU DO? WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO CODE, WE CALLED THEM.

THEY SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.

THE OWNER'S GONNA LEAVE THESE, THESE WINDOWS OPEN, THEY'RE BUSTED.

OKAY.

SO I'M GETTING CONTRADICTIONS HERE OF WHAT INFRACTIONS ARE VERSUS LOOKING AT OUR DATA THAT WE GOT TODAY.

OKAY.

THERE'S DEBRIS ON THE, ON THE LAWN, YOU KNOW, CLEAN THAT UP.

WAIT A SECOND.

YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THESE INFRACTIONS? I NEED YOU TO EDUCATE US, YOU KNOW, ON ALL THESE LISTS OF INFRACTIONS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, LATER DOWN THE LINE AS WELL, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

I MEAN, OUR, OUR CODES ARE CLEARLY DEFINED.

I MEAN, JUST, AND USING A SIM SIMPLISTIC EXAMPLE IS WHEAT AND GRASS OVER 12 INCHES.

I MEAN, IF IT'S OVER 12 INCHES, IT'S A VIOLATION, RIGHT? THERE'S NO, OH, IT'S 10, IT LOOKS BAD, WE'RE GONNA GO AFTER IT.

NO, IT'S NOT 12.

RIGHT.

BUT IF IT'S 12 OR 13, DEFINITELY WE GOTTA BE GOING AFTER IT.

SO IF SOMEONE'S NOT GOING

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AFTER SOMETHING THAT'S CLEARLY DEFINED, THEN THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

AND WE NEED TO, TO, TO SEE WHAT, WHO, WHO, WHAT DIVISION, WHAT SUPERVISOR, WHY THE, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE AN EX EXPLANATION FOR SOME REASON THAT, OF WHY THEY'RE NOT PURSUING IT.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I, YOU'D HAVE TO GIMME A SPECIFIC, I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND ALL THAT.

OKAY.

BUT YEAH, NO, I MEAN, IF IT'S A A A CODE VIOLATION, IT'S A CODE VIOLATION.

WELL, LEMME JUST JUMP IN AND SAY, I THINK WE'RE TOUCHING ON A VERY CRITICAL ISSUE.

UH, I'M GONNA ASK IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN.

AND THEN, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE HAS HAD A KEEN INTEREST IN.

THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ALREADY IN SOME EARLIER MEETINGS, AND I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT THIS THE, UH, PRIORITY FOR THE, FOR THAT COMMITTEE.

BUT, UM, IS ANYBODY ELSE QUICK QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.

YEAH, COMMISSIONER, UM, FOR PRIORITY NUMBER TWO, WHAT TYPE OF ACTION WOULD CONS, WOULD A, A RESPONSE BE THERE? UH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? SO IT'S SAYING OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE, DANGEROUS BUILDING.

SO WE WOULD, IF WE HAVE TO GET OUT THERE WITHIN 24 HOURS, THEN WE WOULD BOARD AND SECURE IT.

NOW WE TRY TO GET THE OWNER TO DO IT, LIKE WE'LL GIVE HIM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CALL HIM IMMEDIATELY.

IF WE CAN GET AHOLD OF HIM OR HER AND THEY CAN DO IT, THEN WE WILL ALLOW THAT.

BUT IF, IF, IF NOT, IF WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR CONTRACTORS.

AND WITHIN 24 HOURS IT'S BOARD AND SECURED, UM, OCCUPIED SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS WITH REPORTED GAS.

SO THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CALL THE GAS COMPANY.

WE, WE'VE CALLED THEM MANY TIMES, ESPECIALLY WITH CONGRESS AS WELL.

UM, THOSE KIND OF VIOLATIONS.

IT'S JUST A, AGAIN, IT'S A TIERED MATRIX TO GET US OUT THERE.

THE SOONER, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S AN IMMEDIATE DANGER.

OKAY.

SO IT'S A PHYSICAL ACT.

IT'S NOT, SAY A CITATION.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

YES.

AND THEN SECOND QUESTION, MAYBE GOING ALONG WITH, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER RUBIO MENTIONED THAT JUST USING THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, ONE OF THE, UH, SIMPLER CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY BEING 50 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER.

MM-HMM.

.

SO MAYBE WHEN SOMEBODY STARTS TO GET SOME SORT OF DEMOLITION NOTICE MM-HMM.

, THERE SHOULD BE THAT CAVEAT TO NOTE THAT THE PROPERTY MAY MM-HMM.

COUNT AS HISTORIC.

YEAH.

WELL, WHEN WE, WHEN THE INSPECTOR IS PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR CASE PACKET TO SUBMIT TO MY TEAM, UM, WE SEND AN EMAIL TO THE HBO TO SEE IF IT HAS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.

AND SOMETIMES THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHEN WE'RE, IF WE WANNA DO DEMO OR REPAIR.

UM, BUT THE FIRST AND FOREMOST THING WE LOOK AT IS SAFETY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, OUR ORDER RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, I'M, I'M JUST GOING TO ADD ONE EXTRA COMMENT AND I THINK AN URGENCY THAT PERHAPS WASN'T THERE WHEN THIS WAS VISITED IN THE PAST GENERATION, UH, I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS A CONCERN OF A PROPERTY OWNER AND THEIR RIGHTS, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE COMPARED TO THE INTERESTS OF THE CITY? UH, BUT I THINK OVER THESE YEARS, IT'S ALSO CLEAR THAT WHEN WE HAVE THESE EMPTY HOUSES, THEY'RE NOT ONLY A SAFETY, UH, THERE'S NOT ONLY THE POTENTIAL FOR THESE PRESERVATION ISSUES WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VACANT HOUSING STOCK.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHERE WE'RE DESPERATE TO GET MORE HOUSING.

WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, UH, ADJUST THE RULES, UH, WORK WITH HISTORIC PROPERTIES MORE CREATIVELY, AND THEN TO HAVE A BUNCH OF THESE NEGLECTED HOUSES WHERE SOMEBODY COULD BE LIVING MM-HMM, .

BUT FOR THE FACT THAT WE LITERALLY HAVE A NEGLECTFUL OWNER, I, I THINK THAT THAT ESCALATES THIS DISCUSSION TO A MUCH HIGHER PRIORITY.

AND I DO THINK THAT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE, JUST THE GENERAL SENTIMENT OF NOT CERTAINLY WHAT THE COUNCIL'S INTERESTS WOULD BE, UH, IS PERHAPS A, A MUCH MORE ROBUST PROGRAM THAN PERHAPS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND HELP, UH, ON THE PRESERVATION ASPECTS, UH, AS YOU'RE LOOKING TO, UM, DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND REINFORCE THAT KIND OF, UH, ACTION.

MM-HMM.

CHAIR, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO TRY TO BRING IN STAFF OR CALLAN ON REALLY WHAT'S RECOMMENDED, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU MENTIONED, YEAH.

WE IMMEDIATELY WILL SEND AN EMAIL TO STAFF AND SEE IF IT'S HISTORIC.

I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S TERRIBLE.

WE HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, WE'RE SO SHORT STAFFED THAT EVERY SINGLE EMAIL IS GOING TO THESE TWO PEOPLE.

MM-HMM.

.

AND SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO, AGAIN TO USE OUR TECHNOLOGY, AUTOMATE THINGS, WHATEVER CALENDAR STAFF IS SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE IT'S OVERWHELMING US.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, IT'S A NO BRAINER, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S TOO MUCH FOR STAFF , AND SURE.

I FOLLOW UP WITH MY QUESTION.

UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT DEMO WITHOUT A PERMIT CAN BE ESCALATED TO ONE, TO MULTIPLE CALLS HELP? BECAUSE THIS IS APROPOS TO THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

WE HAD ABOUT 1500 EAST 12TH, AND PEOPLE COME TO US AND THEY SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO? AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK TO YOU TO KIND OF TELL US WHAT THE ANSWER, IF WE HAD 10 PEOPLE CALL 3 1 1, MIGHT THAT BE ESCALATED? 'CAUSE ONCE DEMO STARTS, IT ONLY TAKES A DAY AND HISTORIC RESOURCE IS GONE.

I THINK THAT'S MORE URGENT EVEN THAN,

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YOU KNOW, AN ACCESSIBLE BUILDING.

UM, GOOD QUESTION.

I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH INPUT ON THIS MATRIX.

THAT'S NOT, THAT'S KINDA ON THE FIELD SIDE OF THINGS.

IT'S NOT REALLY ME.

UM, I MEAN, I CAN ASK THEM AND, AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, UH, YEAH.

I MEAN, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA DEMO UP WITHOUT A FIRM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT US SHOWING UP IS GONNA DO.

BUT, UH, YEAH, I GET YOUR POINT.

YEAH.

I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU, BECAUSE I THINK PROBABLY IN YOUR WORLD, DEMOLITION GETS RID OF THE PROBLEM.

AND YOU MAY, YOU MAY BE TEND TO LIKE NOT DISCOURAGE IT, ALTHOUGH IT SHOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

NO, I WOULDN'T.

NO, I WOULDN'T.

I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I MEAN, SAFETY IS FIRST AND FOREMOST, RIGHT? LIKE, I MEAN, WE HAVE A, A PIECE OF RUBBLE RIGHT NOW, A PROPERTY THAT'S RUBBLE AND LIKE, UM, A ROCK WALL AND THAT'S IT, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE A REPAIR ORDER ON IT.

AND IT'S LIKE, HOW, THERE'S NO WAY FEASIBLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA ASK THIS PERSON TO TAKE ROCKS ON THE GROUND AND A WALL AND MAKE IT A WHOLE BRAND NEW HISTORICAL HOUSE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE DEATHS, MURDERS OVER THERE WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE AND STUFF.

I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, WE JUST WANT TO CLEAN THAT AREA UP, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE HOLDING OFF, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, I'M, I'M ALL FOR, FOR HISTORIC PRE PRESERVATION.

I APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL DO.

Y'ALL ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE CITY.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S, I MEAN, I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH.

I MIGHT BE BIASED, I WANT IT GONE, WHATEVER, BUT IT'S NOT TRUE.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW WE THINK.

YEAH.

WE'RE JUST DOING OUR JOB.

WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS SAFE.

YEAH.

THAT, I DON'T WANNA ACCUSE YOU OF THAT, BUT YEAH.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A CASE HERE WHERE THERE'S A HISTORIC RESOURCE IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL LANDMARK.

SOMEONE SAID, SOMEONE'S IN THE PROCESS OF TEARING IT DOWN.

RIGHT.

WHAT CAN WE DO? YEAH.

AND WE SAY CALL 3 1 1, IT'LL BE CATEGORY THREE.

SOMEONE'LL BE OUT THERE IN THREE DAYS.

THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION.

RIGHT.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AFTER THE FACT AND PENALTIES, AND THAT USUALLY ENDS UP GOING NOWHERE.

SO WE'RE END UP, YOU KNOW, YOUR HANDS ARE TIED PROBABLY 'CAUSE YOU HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES.

OUR HANDS ARE TIED BECAUSE WE HAVE NO DIRECTION, WE AREN'T IN CONTROL OF IT.

RIGHT.

IT'S JUST THAT TO ME IS THE MOST URGENT ISSUE AT THE MOMENT.

YEAH.

GIVEN TESTIMONY EARLIER.

I THINK WHAT WOULD MAYBE EVEN HELP THAT OUT TOO IS ISN'T THERE SOMETHING WHERE IF SOMEONE DOES TEAR SOMETHING DOWN THAT THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THREE YEARS.

THEY CAN'T, UM, IMPROVE THE PROPERTY FOR THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING AND THEY'RE LIKE SOME KIND OF, UM RIGHT.

FOR DESIGNATED PROPERTIES.

YEAH.

THERE IS THAT, BUT NOT FOR, UH, NON-DESIGNATED, I DON'T THINK.

WELL, BUT IF, I MEAN THE ONE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE IF THEY CALLED IT IN AND IT'S A, IT TRULY IS A HISTORIC, WELL THIS ONE ISN'T DESIGNATED, IT'S LISTED ON OUR SURVEYS AS WOULD QUALIFY AS, OH, OKAY.

I GOT IT.

IF SOMEONE WERE TO GET A DEMOLITION PERMIT, WE WOULDN'T LET THEM.

SO INSTEAD THEY DEMOLISH IT AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THREE DAY ENFORCEMENT THAT'S GONE IN TWO DAYS.

OKAY.

WELL, SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A, UH, A DEEPER DIVE.

UM, WE'D CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU, UM, AND THE EFFORT THAT YOU'RE MAKING, UH, AS YOU'RE NOW MORE CLOSELY PERHAPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PERMIT PART, PART OF THIS, THIS MAKES IT, I THINK, EASIER FOR US TO ALL HAVE THESE CONNECTIONS.

MM-HMM.

.

AND, UH, WE'LL APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH THE, THE MEETING WITH THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE AND, AND ABSOLUTELY STAFF WILL, UM, WILL BE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP IN FACILITATING.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH.

AND I THINK, I MEAN, LOW HANGING FRUIT, I CAN DEFINITELY PUT SOMETHING ON THE, THE NOTICES OF ORDER WE SEND OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND THEN HAVING THEM COME SPEAK AT OUR CODE ACADEMY.

THOSE ARE EASY THINGS.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE DONE.

SO CON CONSULT WITH STAFF, BUT I THINK SOMETHING AS COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ SAYS IS AS SIMPLE AS SAYING