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BEING TO ORDER THEN THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, TUESDAY, AUGUST 6TH, UH, 2024.
IT'S BEING HELD AT THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER, ROOM 1405 ON WILLAMINA DRIVE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.
UH, NEXT THING TO DO IS ROLL CALL.
UM, PLEASE MAKE A SOUND OR OTHERWISE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, CAN WE LEGALLY DELAY THINGS UNTIL THEY, NO.
THAT GIVES US, HOWEVER, SIX PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, NEXT ITEM WOULD NORMALLY BE PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS GENERAL.
DO WE HAVE, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP.
[1. Approve the minutes of the Urban Transportation Commission REGULAR MEETING on July 9, 2024.]
IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES OR THINGS THEY THINK NEED CHANGING? IF NOT, WOULD SOMEBODY CARE TO MOVE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
OH YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND NOW WE VOTE.
SO IT, IT PASSES SIX IN FAVOR.
[2. Street Impact Fee update ]
ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, WE HAD A MOBILITY PLAN MEETING LAST TIME, BUT THIS ONE IS THE STREET IMPACT FEE UPDATE.IS THAT ONE BEING DONE REMOTELY? SO HE IS ON HIS WAY FROM CITY HALL CURRENTLY.
UM, AND HE WORKS IN THIS BUILDING AND UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO BE IN, AT CITY HALL THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, I AM TRYING TO FOLLOW UP TO SEE HOW CLOSE HE IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MIGHT WANNA WORK ON THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE MEANTIME AND THEN JUST COME BACK TO ITEM TWO.
[3. Discussion and approval of a recommendation on long range planning and updates to the Urban Trails Plan ]
WOULD BE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE APPROVAL OF A RECOMMENDATION ON LONG RANGE PLANNING AND UPDATES TO THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN.UH, SUSAN HAS SUBMITTED A TENTATIVE MOTION AND WOULD YOU, DON'T YOU TAKE THE CHAIR AND SURE.
UM, WELL, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL MOVE, UH, APPROVAL OF, WELL ACTUALLY LET ME ASK FIRST, WAS THE DRAFT CIRCULATED? DID Y'ALL OR WAS IT YES.
WE ALL GOT THE, OKAY, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT.
UM, SO, UM, ACTUALLY LET ME TALK ABOUT IT FIRST AND THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
BUT, UM, SO, SO I'VE BEEN CHEWING ON SOME THINGS WITH, UM, URBAN TRAILS AND WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION LAST MONTH THAT WE PASSED ABOUT, UM, ENHANCING AND EXPEDITING, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE URBAN TRAILS MASTER PLAN.
BUT THEN I'VE BEEN HEARING SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UM, AND NOT EVEN ABOUT THE, THE MASS, THE URBAN TRAILS, THE 2023 URBAN TRAILS PLAN.
AND I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY IT'S MOSTLY NOT ABOUT ADDING
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WHOLESALE NEW TRAILS, BUT IT'S A LOT ABOUT ADDING SEGMENTS OF TRAILS AND CONNECTIONS OF TRAILS.UM, SOME THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAD NOTICED INCLUDED THAT THERE WERE SOME TRAILS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE 2014 PLAN SEGMENTS AND CONNECTIONS THAT WERE REMOVED IN 2024 THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO DISCUSS.
UM, THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT PEOPLE WERE SEEING FOR ADDING SOME CONNECTIONS.
AND SO, UM, PEOPLE WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF REOPEN AND DISCUSS THOSE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO, UM, THE MOTION BASICALLY SAYS, UM, LET'S, BY THIS COMING MARCH, SORT OF INITIATE A PROCESS.
AND I, I WOULD SAY IT'S SCOPED VERY SMALL.
IT'S NOT REOPENING THE ENTIRE PLAN BECAUSE I THINK THE OVERALL PLAN IS GREAT.
I THINK IT'S OVER WANTING TO REOPEN SOME PRETTY LIMITED THINGS WITH MAPPING AND LIKE, GIVE THE COMMUNITY A CHANCE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON A FEW THINGS WITH SOME OF THE MAPPING THINGS AND SUGGEST PARTICULARLY A FEW CONNECTIONS AND SEGMENTS THAT MIGHT REALLY, UM, HELP US CAPITALIZE ON THE PLAN AND, UM, MAKE THE TRAILS MORE USEFUL.
SO, UM, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SEVERAL PEOPLE ABOUT THIS AND UM, SO I PUT TOGETHER THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO IT'S BASICALLY, UM, TO, TO LOOK FOR OPEN, UM, LET ME SEE IF IT'S IN, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW EITHER.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT I WOULD BE GOING LATER, WHICH IS FINE.
SO, UM, IT'S BASICALLY, UM, CONSIDERING ADDING NEW TRAILS, TRAIL SEGMENTS AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS, INCLUDING THOSE WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN PRESENT IN THE 2014 URBAN TRAILS MASTER PLAN, BUT WERE REMOVED IN THE 2023 URBAN TRAILS PLAN, CONSIDER THE ABILITY TO REPRIORITIZE TRAILS THAT IS MOVING A TRAIL FROM ONE TIER TO ANOTHER AND COLLECT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ABOUT DESIRED NEW TRAILS OR TRAILS SEGMENTS WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING SEGMENTS TO THE PLAN.
AND THEN THE SECOND, UM, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVE, OR THE THIRD BE IT FOR SECOND, BE IT FURTHER, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, IT SAYS UTC RECOMMENDS THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORK STAFF MAKE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, THE SUBMITTED PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MAPS THAT WERE COLLECTED DURING THE A TX WALK BY BIKE ROLL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN REVIEW THEM DURING THE MAP UPDATE PROCESS.
SO DURING A TX WALK BY BIKE ROLL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS SOME MAPPING THAT WAS COLLECTED AND THAT PEOPLE SAW AT THE TIME AND IT'S SORT OF LIKE NO LONGER PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
AND PEOPLE WERE CURIOUS TO SEE SOME OF THAT TO SEE SORT OF LIKE, WHAT WERE PEOPLE SUGGESTING AT THE TIME TO REOPEN THIS.
UM, I DO, I JUST WANNA SAY I DO SORT OF APPRECIATE THAT WE JUST SORT OF FINISHED THIS PLAN AND WE'RE TRYING TO ACCELERATE AND PLAN THE THINGS WE ALREADY, LIKE WE KNOW THIS PLAN IS MOVING A BIT SLOWER THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER PLANS AND WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFF ABOUT IT AND WE, YOU KNOW, MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO EXPEDITE THE PLAN AND, UH, BE MORE EFFECTIVE.
BUT, UM, SO IT MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO REOPEN SOME OF THIS MAPPING, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS I'VE BEEN HAVING, I DID THINK IT COULD BE USEFUL.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS RECOMMENDATION IS ABOUT.
I'M HOPING, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S NOT, I I JUST WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR A, A REDO OF THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN OR EVEN A REMAPPING.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME SEGMENTS AND THINGS, UM, THAT MAY HAVE ARISEN EVEN IN, SOMETIMES IN SOME CASES EVEN SINCE 2023.
UM, THERE SEEMS TO ALSO BE A SENSE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WITH, IN TERMS OF A TX WALK, BIKE ROLL IN TERMS OF THE BIKE PEDESTRIAN AND THE URBAN TRAILS TO SORT OF GO BACK IN EVERY COUPLE YEARS AND SORT OF BE ABLE TO LIKE, ASSESS WHERE WE ARE AND, AND WHAT'S CHANGED ON THE GROUND AND, AND LOOK AT THE MAPS AGAIN.
SO THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THIS AS WELL, UM, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT IN THE BROADER CONTEXT OF A TX WALK BIKE ROLE.
SO, UM, I CAN MAKE A MOTION AT ANY POINT.
I MEAN, IF, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, MAYBE I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT NOW.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OVER THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER IF NEEDED.
OKAY, SO I ALREADY, IF I CAN JUST SAY ONE THING IN, IN SUPPORT OF, UH, CHAIR SUMMERS AND ALSO APOLOGIES 'CAUSE I SAID I WAS GONNA HELP YOU ON THIS AND I TOTALLY LIED.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I I, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID.
UM, THE A TX WALK BIKE ROLE PROCESS WAS A PHENOMENAL EFFORT BY STAFF, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL REALLY HAPPY WITH WHERE THOSE PLANS ARE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE BIKE PLAN.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY FOCUSED ON, ON THE, THE, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS AND CROSSINGS PLAN.
AND I DO THINK THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN GOT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ATTENTION BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE THOSE TWO WERE
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MOVING AT THE SAME TIME.I ALSO SAY I, I'VE HEARD THESE CONCERNS TOO AT THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COUNCIL.
UM, I WANNA SAY LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CAME AND SAID, HEY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NOTICED THIS.
WE HAVE AN URBAN TRAIL THAT'S PART OF OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, UH, AND WE JUST NOTICED THAT IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE 2023 URBAN TRAILS PLAN.
HOW DO WE GET IT IN THERE? AND WE WERE KIND OF LIKE, OH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT 10 YEARS, RIGHT? LIKE, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN ANSWER.
SO I THINK CREATING A PROCESS WHERE WE CAN MAKE THOSE AD HOC DECISIONS WHEN OPPORTUNITIES ARISE IS GONNA BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE.
WOULDN'T IT BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THIS OCCUR ON A REGULAR BASIS, LIKE EVERY FIVE YEARS? YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF NINE YEARS, INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR NINE YEARS? I, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON A, THE, I I THINK TPW IS ALREADY MOVING, AND FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT KIND OF A ROLLING FEEDBACK MODEL FOR THE LBAP.
I THINK THIS KIND OF MOVES VERY NICELY WITH THAT IF THERE'S KIND OF LIKE A ROLLING WAY AND, UH, I THINK I'M CHARACTERIZING THE RECOMMENDATION CORRECTLY, BUT IF THERE'S KIND OF A ROLLING WAY WHERE PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, CAN WE GET THIS IN THE PLAN? YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY WITH URBAN TRAILS, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY HAD A, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS COMING IN THAT WAS WILLING TO WORK IN A PART OF THAT URBAN TRAIL.
BUT THEY'RE LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY GUIDANCE AS TO WHERE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO GO.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN.
SO, AND I, I, I THINK THEY ACTUALLY FOUND SOMETHING WITH THAT DEVELOPER AND THAT THAT'S ALL GOOD.
BUT, SO I DO THINK THERE'S A BENEFIT TO HAVING IT ROLLING RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, EVERY FIVE YEARS OR EVERY 10 YEARS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I DO, I AM CONCERNED.
I, I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT HOW URBAN TRAIL STAFF IS, IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION LAST MONTH COULD SORT OF CONTEMPLATED THIS A BIT.
LIKE MAYBE THEY NEED SOME ADDITIONAL STAFFING OR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO, TO CONDUCT THEIR DUTIES.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE, I WANT THEM TO BE IN A CONSTANT STATE OF PLANNING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING IS I TALKED TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO WERE SORT OF UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE URBAN TRAILS AND THESE PLANS ACTUALLY HAD IN THEM SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED EVERY TWO YEARS.
BUT I DIDN'T FIND, WHEN I READ BACK THROUGH THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN AND I READ BACK THROUGH THE ORDINANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, PASSED A TX WALK BIKE ROLL BY AMENDING, YOU KNOW, THE A SMP AND IMAGINE AUSTIN, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE THE TWO YEAR CYCLE.
MAYBE THAT'S RELATED TO SORT OF THE AS MP UPDATE AND REVIEW CYCLE, THAT THAT COULD BE WHERE PEOPLE WERE COMING WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT STAFF TO BE IN A CONTINUOUS STATE OF PLANNING, BUT LIKE, I THINK, UM, GIVEN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK ABOUT, PARTICULARLY THE URBAN TRAILS AND, AND SOME OF THE SEGMENTS AND CONNECTIONS THAT PEOPLE WERE NOTICING WERE OMITTED, UM, I THOUGHT IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO BRING THIS OTHER, OTHER COMMENTS, OTHER INPUT.
WOULD IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, AND I'M SORRY FOR ONE MISSING LAST MONTH.
UM, SO THANKS FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY ON THAT.
SO I'M GLAD THAT RESOLUTION PASSED.
I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO SEE AFTER THE FACT.
UM, BUT TWO, IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE ABOUT WORKING WITH NONPROFITS OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO KIND OF ACCELERATE AND MOVE? LIKE IF THERE'S ALREADY WORK BEING DONE THAT ARE ALONG THE URBAN TRAILS, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT HERE WITHIN THIS RESOLUTION? WELL, IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU SAY THAT HEATHER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE URBAN TRAILS, UH, 2023 URBAN TRAILS PLAN DOES ALREADY TALK QUITE A BIT ABOUT PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
AND IT, UM, ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTS IN MULTIPLE, SORT OF, ALREADY THE RIGHT WORD IS AUTHORIZED PARTNERS, BUT LIKE RECOGNIZED PARTNERS IN THESE, UM, IN THESE TRAIL PROJECTS.
UM, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHOAL CREEK CONSERVANCY OR REDLINE PARKWAY INITIATIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, HILL COUNTRY CONSERVANCY, YOU KNOW, NAMES LIKE THAT, UM, ARE ARE LISTED IN THERE AS LIKE, SORT OF LIKE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, UH, THAT ARE SORT OF AUTHORIZED TO WORK STAFF IS WORKING WITH ALREADY.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT LIKE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UM, NEWER ORGANIZATIONS OR ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY HAVE EXISTED THAT WERE LESSER KNOWN, BUT LIKE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, I ACTUALLY, UM, I'M ANTICIPATING ANOTHER, I I THINK THIS IS JUST LIKE THE YEAR OF URBAN TRAILS AT UTC
IT'LL COME UP IN FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS, ONE THING I'VE LEARNED IS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF AN ORGANIZATION ISN'T ALREADY SORT OF A RECOGNIZED PARTNER,
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THAT'S HARDER FOR STAFF TO WORK WITH.SO IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE MAY NEED TO HELP ALONG TOO, THAT THERE MAY BE SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANNA ASSIST WITH URBAN TRAILS PLANNING AND, AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND FUNDING AND UM, ALL THE THINGS.
UM, AND SO WE, WE MAY NEED TO GIVE THEM A BOOST SORT OF FROM UTC AND COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO I HAVE A ITEM THAT I'M PROBABLY GONNA BRING IN OCTOBER RELATING TO THAT, AND I BET YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO,
YOUR, UM, SCREEN OF US IS REALLY TEENY TINY AND WE'RE ON THE CORNER.
ARE YOU ASKING 'CAUSE OF GREAT SPRINGS PROJECT? YEAH.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA COME IN OCTOBER AND TALK TO US.
YEAH, WE'RE, UM, I'M WORKING WITH, UH, MIKE ON RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BAC TO, UM, LOOK AT THIS MONTH AND SO I GUESS TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, UM, SO I THINK THAT WILL COME UP IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE OCTOBER, I THINK.
WELL, NOT FOR BAC C I'M SORRY FOR US IT'LL BE OCTOBER.
I, SO I GUESS TO RESOLVE THAT QUESTION THEN IS, I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD AN ANSWER TO THAT.
LIKE, DO, LIKE SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT ADDING SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT CREATING A, AN ENCOURAGEMENT THAT THEY, LIKE ADD ADDITIONAL PARTNERS TO THE CURRENT PLAN IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THESE GOALS? OR IS THAT LIKE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE? WELL, I, I THINK YOU'VE CAUGHT ME A LITTLE BEHIND ON THIS ONE.
SO LIKE, HERE'S WHAT I KNOW, I, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO OFFICIALLY PARTNER OR, YOU KNOW, WRITE A MOU OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT NEEDS, UM, THE COUNCIL AND PREMATURE LIKE APPROVAL, RIGHT? TO SAY LIKE, THIS IS AN APPROVED PARTNER THAT IS IN THE TRAIL SPACE FOR YOU TO WORK WITH.
UM, SO, UM, I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THAT TO THIS, I THINK BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT QUEUING UP SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER WITH GREAT SPRINGS THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SPECIFIC, LIKE ANYTIME THERE'S A PART, A NEW PARTNER ON THE SCENE, LIKE IF I CREATED A NONPROFIT TOMORROW TO BUILD A TRAIL, LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO THEN SEEK, YOU KNOW, THAT APPROVAL FOR THAT SPECIFIC NONPROFIT LIKE TO, SO TO SAY, LIKE, IS THAT IN FACT THE CASE? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SURE IT FROM, FROM FROM INDIVIDUALS I HAVE SPOKEN WITH IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT SEEMS THAT, THAT THAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED FROM STAFF.
UM, I GUESS WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING FIVE RESOLUTIONS FOR URBAN TRAILS OR SIX OR SEVEN AND THEN IT'S GONNA GET LOST, RIGHT? I THINK EACH OF THESE ARE GONNA HAVE ITS OWN UNIQUE THING.
AND SO IF WE COULD GET AHEAD OF IT AND SAY, OKAY, REALLY WHAT DO WE ENVISION FOR THIS? I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY NOW, RIGHT? UNTIL WE KIND OF START GETTING IT UNDER OUR BELT A LITTLE, A LITTLE MORE.
BUT IF, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF LET'S SAY GREAT SPRINGS OR WHOEVER IS GONNA COME OUT, I DON'T WANNA HAVE A RESOLUTION JUST FOR THEM OR FOR ADDITIONAL, I'D RATHER REALLY DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THIS WITHIN THIS RESOLUTION.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS, I WAS LIKE, OH, WHY DIDN'T WE THINK ABOUT THAT FOR LAST TIME? YOU KNOW,
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF RESOLUTIONS WE HAVE FOR URBAN TRAILS SO IT DOESN'T GET TOO CONVOLUTED.
AND THEN STAFF HAS TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, DID WE MEET THIS? DID WE NOT? AND THEN WE'RE HAVING TO BE LIKE, WHY DIDN'T SHE MEET THIS? AND YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, BECAUSE YOU GAVE US 20 THINGS TO, TO DO IN A MATTER OF TWO YEARS, RIGHT? UM, SO JUST WANTING TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
CAN WE, I THINK THE, I HEAR YOU.
AND, AND AS I STARTED TO WRITE THIS OR I SAW HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO DO, IT WAS ORIGINALLY GONNA BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
AND SO THEN THE MORE I DUG IN ON IT, I WAS LIKE, OH, I REALLY JUST WISH I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS READY FOR JULY.
LIKE, AND ADDED IT TO LIKE THE OTHER PORTION IN JULY.
UM, SO SORT OF KICKING MYSELF OVER THAT.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANYTHING ON URBAN TRAILS IN SEPTEMBER.
I THINK I CAN SAY THAT SAME THING.
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AND I HAVE, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND READ THAT REC, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, VERY LIKE SPECIFIC TARGETED ABOUT THAT.I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE IF WE WOULD WANT TO WAIT AND DO THIS PORTION WITH, IF WE WOULD WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE GREAT SPRINGS PEOPLE WANNA COME AND TALK TO US IN OCTOBER, SO I WOULD LET, BUT THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE FOR OUR AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER MEETINGS.
SO, UM,
UM, SO WHEN WE WANTED TO LIKE TALK ABOUT LIKE THE NONPROFIT PARTNERS AND STUFF, UM, AND GIVING THE APPROVAL TO WORK WITH THEM, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THOSE ARE PRETTY ELABORATE.
LIKE, ESPECIALLY IF IT COMES TO LIKE, UM, FORMAL RELATIONSHIPS INVOLVED IN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE HANDLED IN A VERY, LIKE, LONG SERIES OF PROCESSES.
'CAUSE I NOW THINK THEIR, UM, P PARK CONSERVANCY AND LIKE THE TRAILS CONSERVANCY HAVE OMAS AND LIKE STUFF LIKE THAT WHICH TAKE YEARS AND YEARS OF LIKE CAREFUL NEGOTIATION AND STUFF TO WORK OUT.
A POMA IS A PARKS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, UM, AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHEREAS I FEEL LIKE THIS FOCUS ON THE PLANNING PHASE IS DIFFERENT ENOUGH.
AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE WERE TO THINK ABOUT THAT TYPE OF IDEA, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED AND UM, WE'D HAVE TO SEE LIKE, IF IT MAKES SENSE.
I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT BE JUST, I THINK IT'S OKAY THAT WE, YOU KNOW, CAN MOVE ON THIS AND THEN THAT ONE LATER BECAUSE I THINK THAT ONE IS JUST I SUBJECT-WISE DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE OKAY AS TO SEPARATE RESOLUTIONS, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF NOT WANTING A TON AT ONCE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A SEPARATE THING.
I WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I JUST, I KNOW WE LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING LIKE, UH, THERE, THERE WE, I HAVE ALSO HEARD, WE'VE ALL BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT DIFFERENT SEGMENTS AND STUFF.
UM, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THE PROCESS AND THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME OR LIKE CONSULTING, UH, TIME TO LIKE DO THESE UPDATES IS LIKE LONG AND EXPENSIVE AND LIKE, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER GOAL OF ACCELERATING.
AND SO I WOULD JUST BE MAYBE CONCERNED ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO TAKE STAFF TIME AWAY FROM THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE PLAN TO DO ANOTHER BIG EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROJECTS? AND LIKE, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THAT, BUT LIKE WHAT, ARE THERE OTHER BE BEST PRACTICES OUT THERE FOR LIKE ESTABLISHING A RHYTHM OF MAP UPDATES THAT WOULD LIKE, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIKE THE EXTENT THE, UH, AMOUNT OF TIME AND MONEY IT TAKES TO RUN THOSE? LIKE HAVE, DID SUSAN, DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER CITIES OR MUNICIPALITIES AND SEE IF LIKE THERE, IS THAT LIKE A STANDARD OR BEST PRACTICE FOR THIS TYPE OF UPDATING ON THE MAP? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
UM, I'M WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO JUST WAIT AND, UM, REWORK THIS A BIT.
I'D REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER IT CAN BE COMBINED WITH THE, THE OTHER FUTURE STUFF.
UM, AND WE'VE PROBABLY ALREADY TALKED TOO MUCH ABOUT THE FUTURE STUFF, TO BE HONEST.
UM, SO I DON'T, BUT UM, I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT MAYBE WE CAN THINK OF A WAY TO REWORK THAT.
I DON'T, MY GOAL IS, IS I HOPE I TRY TO MAKE CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING.
I REALLY DON'T WANNA TAKE STAFF TIME AWAY.
LIKE, UM, I JUST THINK, AND IT'S HARD, RIGHT? LIKE THE, THE, OUR ENTIRE CONCEPT OF COMMUNITY INPUT OR WHATEVER, YOU DON'T WANNA, LIKE, YOU WANNA GATHER COMMUNITY INPUT, YOU WANNA DO THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE, YOU WANNA CAPITALIZE ON OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, PLANNING IS HARD, HARD WORK, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS THERE.
UM, SO MAYBE, MAYBE JUST REWORKING EVEN SOME OF THE WORDING OF IT.
SO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT A BIT MORE.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, OR HAVE WE HEARD ANY, UH, FEEDBACK OR REACTIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE JULY RECOMMENDATION YOU MADE? I WILL ADMIT, I HAVE NOT ATTENDED A CITY COUNCIL MEETING,
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SO I DO NOT KNOW.NO, I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO COUNCIL MOBILITY COMMITTEE AT THE END OF JULY AND THAT MEETING WAS CANCELED DUE TO LACK OF QUORUM, SO.
UM, I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH MOBILITY COMMITTEE.
UM, IF IT CAME UP AT CITY COUNCIL, OTHERWISE, I AM NOT AWARE.
MAYBE SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE.
WELL, I'LL ALSO SAY CITY COUNCIL'S PRETTY WELL IN THE THROES OF BUDGET SEASON RIGHT NOW, SO IT, IT'S HONESTLY PROBABLY BETTER THAT THAT MEETING WAS CANCELED 'CAUSE NOW THEY CAN HEAR IT AND THINK ABOUT IT WHEN, UH, THEY HAVE THE BUDGET BEHIND THEM.
UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD THAT THAT COULD BE, UM, A WAY TO ADDRESS BOTH THESE CONCERNS, UH, BOTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OVERDOING URBAN TRAILS AND ALSO ABOUT, UM, OVER BURNING STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING I ALSO HEAR, UM, FROM FOLKS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, UM, HOW DO I PROPOSE A BIKE LANE ON MY STREET? RIGHT? UM, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A BIKE LANE ON EVERY SINGLE STREET.
YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST ALLOW IT WILLY-NILLY, BUT I THINK IT IS HELPFUL IF THERE IS SOME PROCESS WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AND, AND ESPECIALLY NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, CAN SUGGEST THAT.
SO I ALMOST WONDER IF IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO BRING THIS BACK AND SUGGEST IT AS A WAY OF, OF FUTURE LM MAP UPDATES TO SAY WE'RE MOVING TO THIS ROLLING L MAP SYSTEM, RIGHT? WHERE, WHERE FEEDBACK IS CONSTANT AS PART OF THAT, CAN THERE BE A WAY WHERE PEOPLE CAN SUGGEST URBAN TRAILS OR, OR BIKE LANES EVEN WHERE THERE AREN'T ANY.
AND THEN THAT'S A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE URBAN TRAIL STUFF WE'RE DOING.
AND THEN THAT'S ALSO A WAY TO FOLD IT INTO THE WORK THAT STAFF IS ALREADY DOING.
SO WE'RE NOT CREATING A, A NEW PROCESS.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, EXISTING LINES OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN 3 1 1 AND THESE PLANS? LIKE IF THERE ARE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONSISTENTLY REPORTING A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION OR WANTING BIKE LANE OR USING THAT AS A CHANNEL, CAN WE GIVE STAFF OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT? I'M JIM DALE.
I'M DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.
ANYTHING YOU SEND TO 3 1 1 RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC REQUEST FIELD FOR URBAN TRAILS, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS.
UM, IT'LL GET TO OUR DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE CAN, UM, RESPOND TO THAT.
ONE THING THING I COULD ASK FOR IS TO HAVE A SPECIFIC FEW ONE, ONE CATEGORY FOR URBAN TRAILS, BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE NECESSARY.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THAT MUCH, THAT MANY CALLS FOR URBAN TRAILS.
IT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THAT MANY.
I THINK THREE ONE ALREADY HAS TWO.
I WAS GONNA SAY THEY HAVE A LOT OF CATEGORIES ALREADY.
UH, JUST AT A RANDOM, ARE WE, IS IT ABLE TO EVEN GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM LAST MONTH AND MAKE CHANGES OR SINCE IT'S ALREADY PASSED, IT'S GONE.
THAT'S WHAT I, I FIGURED, BUT I WANTED TO ASK ANYWAYS.
SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING PEOPLE WANNA DO, UH, IS WORK MORE ON THIS, WHICH MEANS POSTPONING IT.
UM, AND WHEN WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO POSTPONE IT TOO? JUST I THINK, UM, I'LL NEED TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT IT.
UM, I CAN ALSO, UM, TRY TO EMAIL SOME OF THE CONVERSANTS IN THIS CONVERSATION AND, UM, AND SEE WHERE WE GO.
I KNOW, UM, THIS OTHER ITEM THAT I, WE ARE, WE ALSO STARTED TALKING ABOUT IS, IS COMING UP IN OCTOBER.
UM, SO MAYBE THEN, BUT LIKE I, I THINK I'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT NATALIE ABOUT THE AGENDA AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
CAN WE POSTPONE THINGS INDEFINITELY WITHOUT KILLING THEM? YEAH.
I WOULD JUST COME BACK AS A DIFFERENT ITEM.
BUT I, I WOULD ALSO SAY I, IF I THINK WE, IF, IF YOU, WE WANT, AND, UH, SUSAN, I CAN OFFER TO HELP WITH THIS, UH, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION, KIND OF GET IN THE GOOGLE DOC AND TRY TO HAMMER IT OUT IF YOU WANT TO GET DONE THIS MEETING.
I JUST, I, I'M NOT SURE I, THERE'S APPETITE TO LIKE PASS THIS AT ALL THIS MONTH, SO I DON'T, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER POSTPONE THAN TAKE A VOTE THAT FAILS, BUT, UM, MAYBE THAT'S JUST SILLY.
LIKE, WHATEVER I'M, I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE CASE WITH A FEW TWEAKS, PEOPLE FEEL MORE COMFY OR PEOPLE MIGHT JUST NEED SOME MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND SORT OF REDUCE THE NUMBER OF URBAN TRAILS THINGS WE'RE DOING IN A SHORT SPAN OF TIME.
I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT CLEAR ON THAT FULLY.
SO I GUESS TAKING A VOTE WOULD BE ONE WAY TO FIND THAT OUT.
SO
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN SOME MORE MOVEMENT OR DISCUSSION WITHIN STAFF.
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YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ALSO THINKING LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE FROM, FROM THEM AND TALK WITH THEM KIND OF WHERE THEIR MINDSET IS, WHAT THEY'RE THINKING BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE KEEP GOING THIS, AND THEN KIND OF ENGAGING WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE.WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT IN OUR JULY ONE TOO.
I THINK WE, WE JUST GOT TOO EXCITED.
BUT I MEAN, I'D, I'D HATE TO MAKE THE URBAN TRAIL STAFF COME OUT AGAIN.
BUT I THINK JUST OF LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DISCUSSIONS ARE YOU HAVING JUST IN GENERAL, LIKE PROJECT WISE AND STAFF WISE SO THAT WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF DIRECTION OF WHERE THEY'RE AT.
I THINK WE COULD GET ON AN EMAIL CHAIN WITH THAT.
BUT NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
LIKE, NOT, NOT A PRESENTATION.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT PEOPLE WANT MORE TIME AND CAN TO USE OTHER MEDIA TO, UH, REVISE WHAT'S HERE.
AND THERE'S SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEAS ABOUT WHAT'S NEEDED FOR A VISION.
AND THAT, I GUESS, UNLESS YOU WANT TO POSTPONE IT TO A PARTICULAR DATE, IF WE JUST WANNA POSTPONE IT INDEFINITELY, THEN DO WE JUST VOTE ON IT AND YEAH.
I I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE.
I MEAN, DO WE VOTE ON THAT? SPENCER'S, DO YOU KNOW SPENCER? YEAH, YOU DO NEED A MOTION? YOU DO NEED TO VOTE ON A MOTION TO POSTPONE.
IS THAT THE END ALL IN CALL THE MOTION NOW WE VOTE.
THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THAT LEAVES US WITH OUR FREE FEE PRESENTATION.
IS THERE ANY SIGN THAT THAT IS? YES, RIGHT HERE.
SO
I'M WITH TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIVISION.
WE ARE THE IMPLEMENTERS OF THE STREET IMPACT FEE.
WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.
UM, JUNE, MARCH, THE TWO YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF IT GOING LIVE, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME INCREMENTAL MILESTONES ACHIEVED.
AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND AS FAR AS COLLECTIONS, WHAT'S BEING DONE AND WHAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO IN THE FUTURE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE, UM, TWO WAYS THAT WE GET MITIGATIONS FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT, EITHER THROUGH THE FEES OR THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING IMPROVEMENTS ONTO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN OUR ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN.
WE'LL ALSO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE COLLECTIONS OF FEES OVERALL, AND THEN BY EACH OF THE 17 SERVICE AREAS IDENTIFIED IN THE STREET IMPACT FEE ORDINANCES.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME, UM, EXAMPLES AND, AND, UH, WHERE WE STAND IN SOME OF THE, THE THINGS WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT AT THE TIME THE ORDINANCE WAS BEING CREATED AND, AND WHERE, HOW WE OVERCAME THOSE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THE STREET IMPACT FEE.
BEFORE, WHEN A DEVELOPMENT CAME IN, WE HAD TO BASICALLY NEGOTIATE WITH THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OF HOW ARE YOU GOING TO OFFSET THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC YOU BRING INTO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK? AND THAT IS UNPREDICTABLE.
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO ALWAYS DO SOMETHING CONSISTENTLY.
SOMETIMES IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BIG DEVELOPMENTS DIDN'T DO VERY MUCH.
AND SO, UH, BACK IN ABOUT 2015, 2016, COUNCIL ASKED THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO ANOTHER WAY IN WHAT IS CALLED THE IMPACT FEES.
AUSTIN WATER USES IMPACT FEES.
SO IT IS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW THAT SAME LAW IS ACTIVATING AND WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IT FOR, UH, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO IMPOSE STREET IMPACT FEES.
BASICALLY, THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PREDICTABLE.
UM, IT ALSO MAKES IT MORE FAIR THAT EACH DEVELOPMENT IS MEASURED PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME SCALE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UH, AND IT ALSO HELPS TO LOCALIZE THE IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE AREAS THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
BASICALLY, IT'S WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING, WHERE ARE YOU BUILDING AND HOW MUCH YOU'RE BUILDING.
A LITTLE NUANCE THERE, HERE AND THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S DEFINED
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AS WHAT IS YOUR IMPACT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.WE TALK ABOUT THEM AT TIME OF SITE PLAN, BUT IT'S REALLY BY THE STATE LAW AND THE ORDINANCE, THE COLLECTION THAT OCCURS AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT.
WE ADDRESS THINGS THAT, UM, THAT WILL ATTRIBUTE TO THEIR, THEIR IMPACT, BUT WE ALSO TRY TO GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR THINGS THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
SO IF THEY'RE BUILDING A, AN EXISTING TRANSIT STOP, THEY CAN GET SOME REDUCTION.
IF THEY BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY CAN GET SOME REDUCTION.
AND SO WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE, UM, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE.
BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CALCULATION ORDINANCE, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, AND DEVELOPERS CAN KNOW THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OR POTENTIAL FEES THEY WILL NEED TO PAY OR CONSTRUCT SOMETHING EQUIVALENT ON OUR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, THE FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED MUST BE USED ON PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE RCP ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADOPTED AS ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCE.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT CAN BE FUNDED WITH THAT MONEY AND CERTAIN TIMES IT CAN'T.
UH, TRANSIT PROJECTS ARE ONE OF THOSE THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED BY STATE LAW, BUT ROADWAY EXTENSIONS, UH, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE ITEMS ARE IDENTIFIED AND CAN BE USED.
OUR ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN, UM, WAS ADOPTED ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCE AND THERE ARE A FEW HUNDRED PROJECTS IDENTIFY IN THERE ABOUT $3 BILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT TO FIX NECESSARILY SPOT PROBLEMS, BUT TO ADDRESS MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY AND, AND MOVEMENT AND TRAFFIC, UH, IN A MORE LARGER, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, UM, SO THAT THE IMPACT OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT IS REDUCED FOR THOSE THAT WILL BE MOST LIKELY.
UM, INTERACTING WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT STREET IMPACT FEE WAS ADOPTED IN 2020, UH, DECEMBER, 2020.
UH, WE BEGAN IMPLEMENTING IT IN JUNE OF 2022 THAT, UH, HAD SOME EXEMPTIONS BASED ON IF THEY HAD AN EXISTING TIA AND SOME OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
AND BY DECEMBER, 2022, UM, WE WERE FULLY IMPLEMENTED AND ALL DEVELOPMENT WAS REQUIRED TO PAY THE STREET IMPACT FEE.
UH, AGAIN, WE ARE WHOLLY IN COLLECTION MODE RIGHT NOW, UM, AND WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE BACKGROUND REPORT THAT JUSTIFIED THE COLLECTIONS AMOUNT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THIS TIMELINE WILL CONTINUE ON BECAUSE THERE ARE ITEMS IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF THAT HAVE TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
BASICALLY, WHAT TRIGGERS A STREET IMPACT FEE, IF A DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GENERATE 10 ADDITIONAL PM
THAT BASICALLY GOT US OUT OF THE, UM, THE THRESHOLD.
SO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WILL NOT TRIGGER THE, UH, STREET IMPACT FEE.
HOW DO WE DETERMINE THOSE TRIPS? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE USING? WE'RE USING A VERY STANDARD PRACTICE OF, UH, THE, UM, INTERNATIONAL TRANSPORTATION INSTITUTE, ITE, UH, YEAH.
THAT'S BASED ON A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION.
SOMETIMES THERE'S SUCH UNIQUE LAND USES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, COLLECTION TAKEN BY THE DEVELOPER IN AUSTIN AT SIMILAR LOCATIONS SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING CAN COMPARE THEM TO, BUT IT'S A RATHER STRAIGHTFORWARD CALCULATION.
YOU CAN SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A MID-RISE DEVELOPMENT, IF IT'S A HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE WHAT, WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD? REALLY AN OFFICE NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN 9,000 SQUARE FEET BEFORE IT TRIGGERS THE, THE IMPACT FEE AT TIME AND BUILDING PERMIT.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STREET IMPACT FEE IS BASED ON A STUDY.
THAT STUDY DIVIDED UP THE CITY INTO 17 DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS.
THOSE SERVICE AREAS WHERE THE FEES ARE COLLECTED, THAT IS ALSO THE SERVICE AREA WHERE THE FEES MUST BE EXPENDED.
WE CANNOT MOVE FEES AROUND SERVICE AREAS, AND WE ALSO HAVE TO KIND OF SPEND IT ON A FIRST IN, UH, FIRST OUT
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BASIS.ONCE FEES ARE COLLECTED, THEY, UH, WE HAVE AS A CITY 10 YEARS TO EXPEND THOSE FUNDS.
AFTER 10 YEARS, THE DEVELOPER OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY COULD COME BACK AND SAY, YOU DIDN'T USE MY MONEY.
AND STATE LAW DOES HAVE A MECHANISM FOR US TO RETURN THAT.
UM, THAT HAS DEFINITELY HAVE NOT OCCURRED YET BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY, UH, FIVE YEARS INTO, I MEAN, TWO YEARS INTO THE PROGRAM.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SERVICE AREAS AND THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS DON'T LINE UP ON A ONE-TO-ONE BASIS.
PART OF THAT WAS A DELIBERATE, UM, TO, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT NECESSARILY DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN A COUNCIL DISTRICT.
SO SOME COUNCIL DISTRICTS HAVE, UM, SEVERAL, FOUR, FIVE, POSSIBLY SIX SERVICE AREAS.
BUT EACH OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE FUND IS BASED ON PRIORITY AND THE SERVICE AREAS.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A EXERCISE TO IDENTIFY WHAT WOULD BE THE TOP PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE FIRST TO BE FUNDED WITH STREET IMPACT FEE FUNDS.
AND WE'VE MET WITH EACH OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS PRIORITIES.
SO WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY, UH, LIST OF WHAT WOULD RANK FAIRLY HIGH IN EACH OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND EACH OF THESE 16 OR 17 SERVICE AREAS.
AND THAT CAN BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE.
AS I MENTIONED, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO HAVE A PLAN OF WHERE STREET IMPACT FEE FUNDS WILL BE EXPENDED.
AND THAT PLAN IS CALLED A ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN.
UM, THINGS THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THERE AND WHERE WE CAN EXPEND MONEY BASICALLY ON ANYTHING THAT WILL ADD VEHICULAR CAPACITY TO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
UH, SO WIDENING, ADDING A LANE, ADDING TURN LANES, THINGS LIKE THAT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE.
UH, DOING SOME THINGS TO EXTEND A ROADWAY, UM, TO MAKE CONNECTIVITY CONNECTIONS.
THOSE ARE ELIGIBLE INTERSECTIONS IMPROVEMENTS ARE ELIGIBLE, SOME CONVERSIONS.
UH, ONE-WAY TRAFFIC TO TWO-WAY TRAFFIC IS, IS ALSO PO UH, ELIGIBLE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, JUST BUILDING A BUS STOP WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE.
OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING FACILITIES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THESE FUNDS.
UM, SO WE HAVE A FAIRLY TIGHT BOUNDARY OF WHERE WE CAN EXPEND THE EX, UH, MONEY THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED TO DATE.
WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WELL, LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK.
THE ORDINANCE DEFINED IT, UH, ADOPTED TWO THINGS.
ONE, THEY ADOPTED THE ABILITY TO COLLECT A STREET IMPACT FEE.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS WE ADOPT A STUDY, THE COLLECTION RATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, WHEN WE GET A SITE PLAN, WE GO THROUGH AN EXERCISE AND DO A STREET IMPACT FEE OR A SCF CALCULATION TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COULD BE BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IN THEIR SITE PLAN, WHAT COULD BE YOUR EXPOSURE AT TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT.
ALSO, WE GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING THAT IS ELIGIBLE TO BE, UM, IN THE ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN, WE CAN DEDUCT THAT CONSTRUCTED ELEMENT FROM THEIR INVOICE AS A STREET IMPACT FEE.
UM, SO THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY CAN DO WHERE THEY GET A, UH, CREDIT.
WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE STATE LAW AND THE ORDINANCE, IT IS UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO CHOOSE WHICH OF THE OPTIONS THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH EITHER CONSTRUCT ELEMENTS OR TO PAY THE FEE.
UM, AT TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE ARE SOME REDUCTIONS THAT CAN BE MADE, UM, PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THIS IS AT 60% MFI.
UH, IF FOR EVERY UNIT AT 60% MFI, THEY CAN GET A REDUCTION IN THEIR STREET IMPACT FEE IF THEY ARE DOING THINGS SUCH THAT MAYBE THEY HAVE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR INTERNALLY CAPTURING TRIPS SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING TO LEAVE THE SITE, THEY CAN STAY ON SITE AND DO SHOPPING, ENTERTAINMENT LIVING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE ENCOURAGEMENT TO REDUCE, UH, THE STREET IMPACT FEE, PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT STOP, AND ALSO PARKING REDUCTIONS.
UM, WHAT'S UNIQUE, THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED, UH, THE STREET IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED BEFORE WE HAD THE NO MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND SO THIS REDUCTION IS WE STILL DO THE CALCULATION THE OLD WAY TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE REDUCING THEIR PARKING THAT THEY ARE CHOOSING TO PROVIDE BEFORE WE GIVE THEM THE CREDIT FOR IT.
WHERE ARE WE SO FAR? UH, WE HAVE COLLECTED
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$9.4 MILLION WITHIN THE STREET IMPACT FEE, UM, UH, FUNDS, THE 17 SERVICE AREAS.UM, WE HAVE HAD ABOUT $6 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED BY DEVELOPERS AND TURNED OVER TO CITI AS ASSETS.
AND WE HAVE REDUCED THE POTENTIAL, UM, STREET IMPACT FEE OBLIGATIONS BY 2.3 MILLION SOLELY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
MEANING THEY HAVE BUILT ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO GIVE A CREDIT.
AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THIS IS THAT 60% MFI AND IT HAS TO BE CERTIFIED, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEY JUST CAN'T CLAIM OR SAY THEY HAVE TO.
SO THERE IS A PROCESS TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR, UH, A DURATION OF THEIR PROJECT AND NOT JUST FOR ONE OR TWO YEARS.
AND THAT PEOPLE HAVE BOTH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REDUCTION IN THEIR, UH, DISPUTE FEE AND A BONUS PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
CAN, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION IN YOUR MIND? YES.
THE QUESTION WAS, UM, THERE'S A, AS YOU NOTICE, UH, COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED VERY MULTIPLE, UH, DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO.
SO CAN A DEVELOPER CHOOSE TO DO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN THE ORDER TO GET THE REDUCTION THROUGH THE STREET IMPACT FEE PROGRAM AND ALSO CLAIM THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR THROUGH THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS TO GET IT SUCH AS ADDITIONAL HEIGHT? YES.
AS LONG AS SOME OF THOSE DENSITY BONUS, UM, REQUIREMENTS THOUGH IS ONLY UP TO 80% MFI.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS WILL CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, BUT THEY WON'T NECESSARILY CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS A REDUCTION IN THE, IN THE STREET IMPACT FEE.
AND THAT WAS VERY DELIBERATE BY COUNSEL TO EMPHASIZE IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET A REDUCTION IN TRANSPORTATION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MORE MEANINGFUL COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COLLECTIONS.
WHAT'S BEEN INVOICED AND COLLECTED, UH, IN EACH OF THE 17 SERVICE AREAS? YOU MAY BE WONDERING WHY DO WE HAVE A BIG DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOICED AND WHAT'S BEEN COLLECTED? COLLECTED OBVIOUSLY MEANS MONEY IN THE BANK.
WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN TO THE BUILDING PHASE AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, THOSE PROJECTS HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD.
SO THERE IS STILL AN OUTSTANDING INVOICE BECAUSE THAT BUILDING PERMIT IS STILL ACTIVE.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AN EXERCISE THIS FALL TO VERIFY ARE THOSE BILLING PERMITS ACTIVE? IF THEY HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN OR THEY HAVE EXPIRED, WE'RE GOING TO VOID OUT THE INVOICE AND DO THAT RECONCILIATION.
AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE YOU SEE BETWEEN WHAT'S BEING INVOICED AND WHAT'S BEEN COLLECTED.
OBVIOUSLY IN SOME AREAS YOU CAN KIND OF IMAGINE, UH, DOWNTOWN HAS A VERY HIGH, UM, NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE ATTEMPTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE NOT.
UM, ALSO JUST BECAUSE OF WE ARE WHERE WE ARE IN THE ECONOMIC CYCLE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN TO THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE, BUT BECAUSE OF FINANCING IS CHOSEN NOT TO MOVE ON AND AGAIN, THAT THESE STREET IMPACT FEE INVOICES ARE OUTSTANDING UNTIL EITHER THE PROJECT MOVED FORWARD OR IT, IT, UH, THEIR PERMIT EXPIRES.
THIS IS WHERE THE COLLECT OR OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVEMENTS HAVE OCCURRED.
UM, SERVICE AREA N LET ME GO BACK REAL QUICK TO POINT OUT THAT MAP SERVICE AREA N WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT IS IN THE SOUTH, KIND OF BETWEEN I 35 AND UH, SOUTH FIRST.
UM, THAT IS A VERY, UH, HEAVY DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, DEVELOPERS ARE CHOOSING TO CONSTRUCT.
THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF SUBSTANDARD ROADS IN THAT AREA.
AND FOR THEM TO HAVE THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO OPERATE SAFELY, THEY DO HAVE TO UPGRADE THE ROADS.
THOSE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THEIR SIF UH, REDUCTIONS.
SO THEY ARE LIKELY TO BUILD MORE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE IT HELPS THEIR DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY.
UM, SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE BEING BUILT.
THIS IS SERVICE AREA C COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN, WHERE WE HAD SUBDIVISIONS, UH, PHASES THAT HAD COME IN AND HAVE GONE BASICALLY FROM GREENFIELD TO IMPROVEMENTS WHERE THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED THE OFFSET.
THESE WILL BE PUBLIC ROADS, THE RIGHT OF WAY WILL BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
UM, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THIS DEVELOPER SAW THE BENEFIT OF ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING THE IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES VERSUS GIVING US THE CITY THE MONEY AND WAITING FOR THE CITY TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS.
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I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.UM, FEEL FREE TO ASK WHAT WE CAN.
UM, THERE'S MAY BE SOME DETAILED QUESTIONS I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE AND GET STAFF TO FIND THE ANSWER, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO I HAVEN'T READ THIS SECTION OF THE TRANSPORTATION CODE, BUT I KNOW THE TRANSPORTATION CODE IS KIND OF NOTORIOUS FOR DEFINING THINGS VERY VAGUELY.
SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS WHAT STATE LAW CONSIDERS VEHICLE CAPACITY, RIGHT? LIKE IS THAT SPECIFIC THE MOTOR VEHICLES, I GUESS WOULD BE THE FIRST QUESTION.
UM, WE ARE TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF A LIBERAL INTERPRETATION.
SO WHAT WE HAVE CHOSEN WHEN, UM, WE, IN THE A SMP, IN THE TCM, THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUALS, WE DEFINE THE CROSS SECTIONS OF WHAT WE WANT OUR STREETS TO LOOK LIKE.
SO WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN, WE ASK FOR THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY AND WE ASK FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
IF IT'S WITHIN THAT CROSS SECTION THAT'S BEEN DEFINED, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR CONSTRUCTING THE ELEMENTS.
SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE KIND OF BEING LIBERAL WITH OUR INTERPRETATION TO GET SOME SIDEWALKS, TO GET SOME BIKE LANES AND THINGS OF THAT THAT TECHNICALLY MAY NOT BE DEFINED AS VEHICLE CAPACITY.
BUT WE'RE SAYING IT IS PART OF THE ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS IN THE ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN ARE BUILT ON THE STREET CROSS SECTIONS WE'VE DEFINED IN OTHER DOCUMENTS.
BUT LET ME, LET ME ASK A FOLLOW UP.
SO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE OF AIRPORT BOULEVARD.
UM, MOST OF THOSE ELEMENTS DO NOT TOUCH THE ROADWAY.
SO IF I WAS SIMPLY JUST ADDING IN A BIKE LANE RIGHT OFF STREET, UM, IS THAT ELIGIBLE FOR A REDUCTION OR BECAUSE I DIDN'T TOUCH THE ROADWAY, THAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE.
THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR RE A REDUCTION BECAUSE YOU ARE BUILDING OUT THE CROSS SECTION WE WANT.
UM, JUST A, UH, JUST A QUESTION ON HOW YOU'RE CALCULATING LIKE THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS AND LIKE THE ACTUAL IMPACT OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE GONNA BE GENERATED.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING OF SORT OF TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT SOME VEHICLE TRIPS MIGHT BE MUCH LONGER THAN OTHER VEHICLE TRIPS? LIKE IS THERE A GRADIENT BASICALLY, LIKE IS THERE A GRADIENT LIKE FROM LIKE THE CITY CENTER, I GUESS ON LIKE HOW THAT FEE MIGHT RAMP UP IF YOU LIVE IN, YOU KNOW, FAR SOUTH VERSUS CENTRAL YEAH.
UH, AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHEN THE, UH, CONSULTANT HELPED US DEVELOP OUR, UH, STUDY THAT DEFINED HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UH, CALCULATE OUR RATES.
AND THAT'S ONE REASON WE CAME INTO THE 17 SERVICE AREAS.
EACH OF THOSE SERVICE AREAS HAS WHAT'S CALLED AN AVERAGE VMT VEHICLE MILE TRAVEL PER TRIP.
SO THE SERVICE AREAS, WE TRIED TO DEFINE THEM OF WHAT WOULD BE A AVERAGE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS PART OF TOWN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DEFINED AS A SERVICE AREA.
UM, AND SO EACH OF THOSE SERVICE AREAS COULD HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VMT AVERAGES FOR A TRIP BASED ON THE SIZE, BASED ON THE DENSITY, AND BASED ON EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, UM, BASED ON WHAT THEY BUILD, HOW MUCH THEY BUILD AND WHERE THEY BUILD IT.
ALL THREE OF THOSE WILL DETERMINE THE COLLECTION RATE AND IT WILL BE VARIED BY, UH, BY EACH OF THE SERVICE AREAS.
UM, AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE, THIS SEEMS VERY, YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS REALLY WELL, THE INTERNAL TRIP CAPTURE I THINK IS ALSO A REALLY GREAT ELEMENT THERE THAT, UM, SOMETHING MIXED USE EVEN IN A, YOU KNOW, FAR FLUNG PLACE WOULD BE GREAT TOO.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM REMOTE PEOPLE? YEAH, I HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, I DID WANNA, UH, DRAW, DRAW THE COMMISSIONER'S ATTENTION TO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WHEN STREET IMPACT FEES WERE ORIGINALLY PASSED, UTC UM, MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT I THINK WAS REALLY GREAT.
IT WAS FROM OUR JULY, 2020 MEETING, SO THAT'S RECOMMENDATION 20 20 0 7 1 0 2 A.
UM, SO YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK THROUGH THAT.
I THINK, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME.
UM, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY AT THE TIME THAT, UM, UTC, THE BODY THAT WE HAD AT THAT TIME WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE
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IMPACT FEE.LIKE WE WANTED TO GET IT DONE UNDER STATE LAW, BUT STATE LAW CONSTRAINS US IN CERTAIN WAYS THAT ARE, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC.
BUT, UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK AND READ THAT.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT WE HAD IN THAT RECOMMENDATION, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AN ONLINE PORTAL OR STATUS CHECK, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, EXISTS.
IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? I HEARD YOU SAY THAT.
YOU CAN LOOK AT AND GO, THAT WAS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION ACTUALLY.
UH, SO PART OF THE REQUIREMENT OF THE ORDINANCE, THERE IS A PORTAL YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN COLLECTED IN EACH OF THE SERVICE AREA, WHAT PROJECTS HAVE BEEN ADVANCED.
AND I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE HAVE NOT ADVANCED ANY PROJECTS, UH, INTO CONSTRUCTION YET THROUGH THE STREET IMPACT FEE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, IN, IN YOUR HANDOUTS OF THE HOW MUCH MONEY IS ACTUALLY COLLECTED IN EACH OF THE 17 SERVICE AREAS, IT'S HARD TO COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY TO MOVE A PROJECT ALONG WHEN THERE'S 17 SERVICE AREAS BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING A LITTLE BIT OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT INTO EACH OF THE POTS.
OUR CONSULTANT THAT WE'VE HIRED TO DO THE FIVE YEAR UPDATE OF THE, UH, PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM IF IT MAKES SENSE TO REDUCE FROM 17 SERVICE AREAS TO FEWER SERVICE AREAS SO THAT WE CAN COLLECT MONEY AND EXPEND IT ON PROJECTS A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
AS AN EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF FORT WORTH HAS STREET IMPACT FEES.
THEY HAVE ONE SERVICE AREA, THE CITY.
UM, I MEAN THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE WITH SIDEWALK FEE AND LIEU.
AND, UM, SIDEWALK FEE AND LIE.
I THINK THERE IS SOME MONEY THAT'S PROBABLY COMING UP ON 10 YEARS.
UM, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE ACTUAL MECHANISM TO RETURN THAT TO PEOPLE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY, PRETTY OPAQUE.
BUT, UM, LIKE WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, UH, SOMETIMES WE DO A LOT OF THINGS IN THE CITY THAT ARE REGIONALLY RESTRICTED AND I THINK SOMETIMES THAT ACTUALLY SORT OF NEED CAPSIS.
I UNDERSTAND WHY WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA MAYBE, BUT IT, IN THE WAY IT PLAYS OUT, I THINK IS NOT ALWAYS, UM, THAT BENEFICIAL BECAUSE SOME AREAS SEE INHERENTLY MORE DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY OF MULTIFAMILY OR OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF LEADS ME INTO MY NEXT TWO QUESTIONS.
SO ONE, LET ME JUST GIVE THEM TO YOU AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE 'EM IN EITHER ORDER.
ONE, AND YOU KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE IS PARKING.
SO THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE BENEFITS GIVEN FOR PARKING REDUCTIONS WHEN PARKING USED TO BE REQUIRED.
PARKING IS NO LONGER REQUIRED.
AND I KNOW WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL OF OUR CODES IN MULTI MULTITUDE OF WAYS THAT REFERENCE BACK TO, YOU KNOW, PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO ARGUABLY I UNDER, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS UNREALISTIC TO HAPPEN IN OUR CURRENT ENVIRONMENT FOR LOTS OF REASONS, BUT LIKE, LET'S SAY I WAS GONNA BUILD AN APARTMENT TOWER DOWNTOWN WITH NO PARKING AR ARGUABLY, LET'S THINK ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE STREETS WOULD BE FOR THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S LIKE INTERESTING TO THINK THROUGH THAT.
AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT YOU DID IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, PARKING REDUCTIONS AND PARTICULARLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH ANY BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE ZERO PARKED.
LIKE WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THAT? UM, AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT DEALS WITH SORT OF SINGLE FAMILY STUFF.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THIS WAS A DISCUSSION UTC HAD WITH STAFF AT THE TIME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT Y'ALL WERE LOOKING AT MULTIFAMILY AND OFFICE.
BUT IN A SENSE, LARGE, LARGE SUBDIVISIONS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, MAY BE IN SOME WAYS THE MOST IMPACTFUL ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
UM, SO I AM STILL CURIOUS IF IN THE UPDATE THAT IS SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT OR CONTEMPLATING, UM, ABOUT, UM, ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE STREET IMPACT FEE AS WELL.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS IN THE FIVE-YEAR UPDATE.
ONE, JUST DIGGING A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE PARKING AND TWO, THE SINGLE FAMILY QUESTION.
UH, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE ASSESSMENT OF IMPACT FEES OCCUR ONE OR TWO TIMES, EITHER AT SUBDIVISION OR AT TIME OF PLATING, UM, PLATTING SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN IT, THE COLLECTION IS DONE AT TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT.
WHEN IT COMES TO SUBDIVISIONS, A SUBDIVISION WILL COME IN, THEY ARE ASSESSED BECAUSE WE SEE THEM AS A, NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL HOMES, BUT AS A COLLECTION OF HOMES THAT ARE BUILT SIMULTANEOUSLY AND THEY DO TRIGGER THIS STREET IMPACT FEE.
SO SUBDIVISIONS ARE PAYING, UM, FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, BUT EACH HOMEOWNER IS NOT HAVING TO PAY IT THEMSELVES.
WE'VE KIND OF STREAMLINED A PROCESS WHEN A DEVELOPER PULLS PERMITS FOR, TO BUILD 40 HOUSES IN A SUBDIVISION, WE HAVE A WAY SO THAT THEY CAN COME IN AND PAY THEIR STREET IMPACT FEE PER PERMIT.
UM, THEY'VE SET UP SOME ESCROW MONEY, SO IT'S JUST A TRANSFER
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OF FUNDS, BUT WE HAVE STREAMLINED THE PROCESS.SO THOSE, UM, A LARGE DEVELOPER, HIGH VOLUME, UH, DEVELOPERS FOR SUBDIVISIONS, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR FEE.
THEY'RE PROBABLY THE MOST RELIABLE TO TELL YOU OF GETTING THE MONEY INTO THEIR BANK JUST BECAUSE THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND GET THAT HOUSE SOLD.
UM, AS FAR AS PARKING, THERE IS A LIMITATION OF HOW MUCH REDUCTION YOU GET IN THE STREET PACT FEE BASED ON WHICH OF THE SERVICE AREA YOU ARE IN.
AND THERE IS A TABLE, I BELIEVE, UM, I KNOW IT'S IN OUR, OUR GUIDELINES THAT ARE PUBLISHED OF HOW WE COLLECT IT, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A TABLE IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF THAT LIMITS HOW MUCH OF A REDUCTION YOU GET FOR PARKING.
SO IF YOU HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, TAKE YOUR EXAMPLE OF A TOWER DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL TOWER, AND THEY PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY NO PARKING.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY COULD HAVE A MASSIVE REDUCTION IN THEIR STREET IMPACT FEE.
IT'S, THEY CAN ONLY GO UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT IS.
BUT DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AMOUNTS THAT THEY CAN CLAIM.
SO, UM, GOING TO ZERO PARKING, THERE IS A LIMIT OF WHAT THEY BENEFIT THEY WILL HAVE TO THEMSELVES FOR REDUCING THEIR STREET IMPACT FEE.
BUT THAT BUILDING WOULD THEORETICALLY GET THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED.
UM, UH, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO WAIVE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER, UM, UH, COMPLETED THEIR OWN PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY YOU ALL, UM, THAN WE DO IF WE COLLECT THAT MONEY AND THEN HAVE TO SPEND IT.
SO I, I'D BE CURIOUS, UM, DO YOU FIND I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO TAKE THAT PATH, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S MORE WE CAN DO.
DO YOU FIND THAT DEVELOPERS USUALLY TAKE THAT PATH AND THE REASON OTHER PEOPLE DON'T IS SIMPLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT IT ON THE STREET WHERE THERE IS NO PROJECT WE CAN DO? OR, OR DO YOU FIND THAT OFTENTIMES THERE ISN'T THAT INCENTIVE THERE AND PEOPLE WOULD RATHER JUST PAY INTO THE STREET IMPACT FI FUND? THAT'S ACTUALLY QUITE INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE PATTERN ALSO.
UH, TYPICALLY IF IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT THAT WILL DIRECTLY BENEFIT THEM, SO IT'S ON THE PERIMETER OF THEIR PROJECT, EXCUSE ME.
UH, THEY ARE MORE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND CONSTRUCT THAT.
UM, IF IT IS OFFSITE, THEY'RE NOT VERY LIKELY TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT PERMITTING PACKAGE AND ADDITIONAL FEES.
SO WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT IF THEY CAN SEE A IMMEDIATE BENEFIT, UH, BY ADDING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, WHICH IS ELIGIBLE FOR A REDUCTION, UH, OR A CREDIT, UM, THEY'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT FOR US.
AND WE WANT THEM TO BUILD TRAFFIC SIGNALS INSTEAD OF US COMING FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE.
UH, OTHER THINGS, IT KIND OF DEPENDS.
WE HAVE TALKED TO OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE THAT HAVE DONE, UH, STREET IMPACT FEES AND WE'RE ASKING THEIR EXPERIENCE, UH, GOING BACK AGAIN TO THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, VERY RARELY WILL BUILD OR BUILD ANYTHING.
AND SO THE CITY IS COLLECTING THE FEES AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECTS UP IN FORT WORTH, WE'RE FINDING IT, IT'S PROBABLY, WE ARE GETTING, UM, PROBABLY $2 COLLECTED FOR EVERY $1 IN INFRASTRUCTURE SPENT.
UM, SO OVERALL, THIS IS VERY METICULOUSLY DESIGNED.
AND, UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S TOO MANY SERVICE AREAS IS PROBABLY TRUE WHEN THERE'S A TOTAL OF 9.4, LIKE $7 MILLION.
UM, WHAT ARE LIKE THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED AND DO YOU THINK THAT THIS HAS LIKE, UM, 'CAUSE THE CITY OF AUSTIN INFRASTRUCTURE BUDGET, UM, IS PRETTY MASSIVE, LIKE 9.74 IS A, LIKE A SMALLER AMOUNT MM-HMM.
DO YOU THINK IT'S BEEN, UM, SUCCESSFUL AND WORTH IT AND LIKE, ARE YOU EXCITED TO SEE THE PROJECTS COME TO FRUITION? YES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GROUP THAT IS DEDICATED, UH, WHEN I SAY A GROUP, IT'S ONE PERSON, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE GROWING.
UM, THAT IS MOVING, GOING FROM TAKING THE MONEY THAT'S IN THE BANK AND MOVING IT INTO PROJECTS.
THEY'RE ALSO GOING INTO SCHEMATIC PHASE WITH SOME OF THE HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS.
SO ONCE THE MONEY'S THERE, WE ARE FURTHER ALONG.
SO, UH, WE, WE THINK WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS WE WILL ACTUALLY SEE SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS BEING CONSTRUCTED.
UM, HAVE WE COLLECTED AT THE FORECASTED, UH, RATE THAT WE ANTICIPATED? NO.
UH, A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO THAT WITH DEVELOPMENT HAS SLOWED DOWN.
BUT BEYOND WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE STUDY, THE STUDY THAT WE ARE USED TO, WHAT THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED WITHIN THE STREET IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE, IT WAS COMPLETED IN 2019 AND IT WAS A VERY ROSY PROJECTION OF WHAT DEVELOPMENT
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WAS GOING TO DO BASED ON THE PREVIOUS YEARS OF AUSTIN.AND THERE WAS NO IDEA THAT A COVID UH, UM, A SCENARIO WOULD OCCUR.
UM, ALSO WITH THE RESULTING IN HIGHER INTEREST RATES.
SO WE ARE HAVE SLOWED DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO THE PROJECTIONS WITHIN THE STREET IMPACT FEE STUDY, AND WE'RE GONNA ASK THE CONSULTANT TO REVISE THOSE PROJECTIONS THAT LOOK NOT SO ROSY, BUT LET'S LOOK AT REALITY.
DO YOU, DO PROJECTS HAVE TO BE, UM, FROM, SO THEY HAVE TO BE FROM THIS LIST? I, THE ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN? THERE YOU GO.
UM, AND I WONDER IF THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY OVERLAP WITH OTHER LIKE TRANSPORTATION PROJECT LISTS AND STUFF.
UM, SO CAN THE STREET IMPACT FEE MONEY HELP LIKE TOP UP FUNDING ON OUR PROJECT, LIKE PAR HELP PARTIALLY FUND WHERE WITH, UH, ALONG WITH OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING? UH, FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, YES.
I MEAN, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO DO THE ACCOUNTING SO THAT WE KNOW THE EXPENDITURE OF THE CIF FUNDS IS BEING EXPENDED ON THE ELEMENTS OF A PROJECT THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR THAT MONEY.
SO IT'S BECOME AS ACCOUNTING EXERCISE.
BUT YES, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE CIF WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT AS THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE OF FUNDING.
WE, IF WE'RE AT 90% FUNDING IDENTIFIED, COULD SIF BE THE OTHER 10%? WOULD IT BE A ELIGIBLE FUNDING SOURCE SO WE CAN GET THAT PROJECT MOVING FORWARD? YES.
SO, SO PEOPLE WORKING ON AN URBAN TRAILS RESOLUTION, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE
OTHER QUESTIONS? WE THANK YOU.
AND THE NEXT THING WE NEED TO GO ON TO OUR COMMITTEE UPDATES
[4. Update from Commissioner Schumacher from the Downtown Commission regarding actions taken at the June 26, 2024 meeting]
AND IT SAYS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER IS FIRST ON THE LIST FROM THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION.SO, UM, THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION DID NOT MEET IN JULY, BUT THIS IS THE JUNE ONE.
IN JUNE, UH, WE PASSED THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO CALL FOR, UH, A NEW DOWNTOWN AUSTIN PLAN.
UM, THE LAST ONE WAS PASSED IN, UH, 2012.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 10 YEARS, SO IT'S TWO YEARS OVERDUE.
UM, AND THERE ARE SOME, UH, BUDGET IFCS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, PROPOSED BY CITY COUNCIL TO, UH, INITIATE THAT PROCESS IN THE COMING YEAR.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER WHEELER,
[5. Update from Commissioner Wheeler from the Joint Sustainability Commission regarding actions taken at the July 8, 2024 meeting]
UH, JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION FOR THEIR JULY.IT IS CANCELED FOR JULY AGAIN.
UM, WE HAD, RIGHT, 'CAUSE WE, I GAVE AN UPDATE LAST TIME 'CAUSE WE HAD A SPECIAL MEETING, UH, AT THE END OF JUNE, BUT THEN THEY CANCELED JULY.
[6. Update from Commissioner Schumacher from the Bicycle Advisory Council regarding actions taken at the July 16, 2024 meeting ]
SCHUMACHER AGAIN.WE MET IN A JOINT MEETING WITH THE PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COUNCIL.
UM, THE ONE PERTINENT THING FOR, UH, US, AND, AND I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED TAKING THIS UP AT SOME POINT, IS WE PASSED A RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY LEAP A TX PLAN IN A FUTURE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE BOND PACKAGE FOR THOSE UNFAMILIAR, THAT IS THE PROPOSAL FROM SAFE STREETS AUSTIN, UH, TO CONVERT SOME LANES OF OUR MAJOR ARTERIALS TO EITHER, UH, BUS LANES, UH, SHARED USE PATHWAYS OR, OR BIKE LANES, UH, TO KIND OF TAKE A LEAP IN OUR AS SMP GOALS, IF YOU WILL.
MR. YOUR CATTLEMAN, DO YOU WANNA COMMENT FURTHER ON THE SAME MEETING? UM, NO, BECAUSE MAINLY I WAS ALSO NOT THERE BECAUSE I WAS ON VACATION.
SO SORT OF IT'S THAT ONE IN THE LAST UTC MEETING, BUT I'M BACK NOW.
WELL, ONE, ONE ADVANTAGE OF JOINT MEETINGS,
[8. Update from Chair Somers from the Community Advisory Committee for Austin Transit Partnership Board regarding actions taken at the July 11, 2024 meeting ]
UH, PROJECT CONNECT CAC MEETING.UM, SO WE, UH, VERY QUICKLY WE HAD A RESOLUTION, UH, ACTUALLY BROUGHT BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS, UM, THAT SORT OF, UM, UH, CONGRATULATED CAP METRO, UH, AND A TP ON THEIR, UH, COLLECTION OF COMMUNITY INPUT, UH, FOR, UH, AROUND, UH, PROJECT CONNECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SAY MORE ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
IT JUST A, JUST A WRITE ON KIND OF CONGRATULATORY WRECK, UM, A RESOLUTION, UM, WE APPOINTED A NEW CAC MEMBER.
WE APPOINTED A NEW EX-OFFICIO MEMBER.
UM, WE HAD SOME VACANCIES AND WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE HAD NOT FILLED OUR EX-OFFICIO.
UM, WE ALSO APPROVED SOME, UH, UH, WE DISCUSSED BUDGET FOR PROJECT CONNECT.
UM, AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE ANTI DISPLACEMENT INVENTION BUDGET UPDATE.
SO WE'RE WORKING INTO ANOTHER CYCLE OF SOME OF THE ANTI DISPLACEMENT PROJECTS AND FUNDING.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A BIT.
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UM, AND WE ALSO HEARD FROM OUR COMMUNITY INTERVENTION SPECIALISTS AT CAP METRO WHO, UM, OUT, UH, WORK ON THE SYSTEM, UM, HELPING THEIR SOCIAL WORKERS BASICALLY WHO, UH, WORK ON CAP METRO'S PROPERTIES AND UH, VEHICLES.AND THEN WE HEARD, UM, I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT ETOD OVERLAY.
UM, MAYBE WE DID VERY BRIEFLY.
I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY GOT TO THAT ITEM.
SO THAT'S, WE ASKED FOR ANOTHER MEETING, I THINK.
I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY END UP HAVING THAT ITEM, SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WAS OUR MEETING.
AND THE RESOLUTION I PROPOSED WAS JUST COMPLIMENTARY OF STAFF FOR THE HUGE EFFORT THEY'D PUT IN FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
UM, AND NOW I, WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION NOW THAT WE'VE EXPRESSED OUR APPRECIATION TO MAYBE GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION, SHALL WE SAY, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WOULD LIKE TO? WE, WE HAVE A PRETTY HEFTY LIST.NA, NATALIE, UM, CIRCULATED THE FORECAST.
SO, UM, WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS BRIEFING ON ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, CAP, METRO, RAPID LINE, CITY LEAP CYCLIST, HIT AND RUN INVESTIGATIONS, AUSTIN COURT TRANSPORTATION BRIEFING, THESE ARE ALL TBD PARKING, ENTERPRISE, UM, TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA, MANUAL UPDATE, CAMPO, UH, LIVING STREETS, UM, ZILKER, TRANSPORTATION LAND, AND THEN OUR SORT OF OUR REGULAR ONES.
I WOULD ADD THE GREAT SPRINGS TO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY HAPPENING.
WELL, I DON'T WANNA SAY DEFINITELY, I THINK IT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN OCTOBER.
UM, AND WE CAN THINK ABOUT IF THERE'S OTHER URBAN TRAIL STUFF WE WANNA WRAP INTO THAT OR WE CAN, WE CAN, THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN WORKING ON THOSE ISSUES CAN SORT OF TALK ONLINE.
IF THERE'S OTHER STUFF WE WANNA WRAP INTO THAT OR IF WE'RE OR NOT GIVEN, WE POSTPONE THE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.
SO YOU CLARIFY THE GREAT SPRINGS ITEM WOULD BE LIKE A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION AND, AND ACTION.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE ACTION BECAUSE WE, UM, YES, BECAUSE WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO SORT OF AUTHORIZE STAFF TO POTENTIALLY SIGN A-M-O-U-A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH GREAT SPRINGS AS A FORMAL PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OR, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT POSSIBLE FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE YEAH, IF YOU LOOK, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE URBAN OR 2023 URBAN TRAILS PLAN, IT ACTUALLY LISTS PARTNERS THAT ARE SORT OF, I NAMED A FEW OF THEM.
I DIDN'T, I KNOW I DID NAME ALL OF THEM, BUT IT, IT NAMED SOME OF THEM THAT ARE WORKING WITH STAFF ON URBAN TRAILS.
BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HELP AND BE PART OF THAT.
SO I THINK, UM, WE MAY HAVE, IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT WE JUST NEED TO, AS THOSE ARISE, RECOMMEND THEM INDIVIDUALLY OR IF THERE'S A GROUP OF THEM, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY NEED THAT STAMP OF APPROVAL FROM COUNSEL.
IF I CAN JUST ADD, I, I, I KNOW I TALKED TO, UM, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS OVER EMAIL, BUT, UM, AT SOME I SEE THE, UM, FY 26 BUDGET ON HERE, BUT ALSO JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'LL GET A A FY 25, UH, BUDGET UPDATE, UM, AS SOON AS T PWS, UH, ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, ALSO, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE RETURN OF, UH, CHRIS PARKS FOR THE, UH, UH, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS ORDINANCE.
AND TO BE CLEAR, WE USED TO GET A TPW, WE ACTUALLY USED TO GET BACK IN THE DAY A TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET UPDATE.
I THINK WE USED TO GET IT IN JUNE.
I, THE, I'M PRETTY SURE THE BUDGET'S GONNA IS ON THE DOCKET TO GET PASSED NEXT WEEK.
WOULD YOU WANNA JUST SEE THE YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S THE, THE WAY IT LOOKS AT THE END OF EVERYTHING.
YEAH, WELL, WELL, I THINK THAT IF WE GOT THE BUDGET UPDATE NOW, IT WOULD BE WHAT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL.
NO, I THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHATEV, THEY ALWAYS PASS IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENTS.
IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE, UM, VAGUE AS TO WHAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY BE SPENT ON.
SO I THINK AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION FROM TPW WOULD BE HELPFUL AND WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS FROM THAT.
YEAH, I JUST, I THINK I SHOULD STATE THIS CLEARLY.
I THINK THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GET A, A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF OR THAT WE OUGHT TO, AND MAYBE THIS IS US ON US A BIT FOR FORGETTING, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO GET THAT PRESENTATION IN MAY OR JUNE EVERY YEAR.
ARE YOU, IS THAT LIKE THE CURRENT
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YEAR BUDGET? SO IT'S WHEN THEY'RE GETTING READY TO PASS.SO WE MADE OUR RECS EARLY, ACTUALLY, WE WERE ACTUALLY REALLY ON THE BALL.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAD A PRESENTATION PREPARATORY TO THAT, DID WE GUYS? NOPE.
UM, WE DID NOT, BUT IT DOES, WE JUST DID THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SO GOOD AT WHAT WE DO HERE.
IT DOES HAVE ON THE, THE PROPOSED DATE TO DO THAT IN MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE FANTASTIC IF THAT'S DOABLE.
YEAH, WE, WE TYPICALLY STAFF WOULD COME OUT AND TELL US ABOUT THEIR BUDGET PROPOSALS AND WHAT IS CONTEMPLATED.
AND, AND I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THE TIMELINE FOR WHEN, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSION BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS WAS MOVED UP.
SO I THINK THAT HAS MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR TPW TO GIVE US THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET IN TIME FOR US TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE THERE.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE DID IS WE DID OUR REC, I I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, COMMISSIONER.
SO I THINK WE GOT OUR RECOMMENDATION DONE, BUT THEN I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTERESTING TO SEE THEM COME OUT IN MAY OR JUNE AND SAY, AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS MADE IT IN OR NOT.
WELL, I MEAN, WE MIGHT NEED TO RETHINK THE CYCLE BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU, THE CYCLE'S BEEN MOVED UP.
WE USED TO BE ABLE TO MEAN LIKE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS IN JUNE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM ABOUT THE BUDGET FROM STAFF, AND WE DID THAT, WE DID THAT REC ON OUR OWN WITHOUT A STAFF PRESENTATION AT ALL THIS YEAR, WHICH I MEAN, I, I MEAN, MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR STAFF TO COME EARLIER THAN THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE DUE.
YOU STAFF CAN TELL ME THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF ONCE A YEAR ON BUDGET, BUT, UH, AT LEAST FOR THIS YEAR HERE ABOUT THE BUDGET THAT WAS PROBABLY PASSED BY THE TIME THEY GET THERE.
I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST DO THAT.
SO IS THIS DISCUSSION ON JUST ITEMS THAT WE WANNA SEE IN THE FUTURE, OR IS THIS AN ACTUAL PLANNING TIME? BECAUSE I, I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND IT'S ALL GREAT STUFF, BUT I THINK IN MY, THE WAY MY BRAIN WORKS IS LIKE, OKAY, ARE WE PLANNING THE REST OF THE YEAR AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER TENTATIVE NOVEMBER TENTATIVE DECEMBER, KIND OF INTO LIKE PLAN FOR, FOR THE NEXT YEAR AT TO LIKE AUGUST OF THIS TIME.
JUST SO THAT WE COULD START LOOKING LIKE, IF WE'RE GONNA DO QUARTERLY WITH PROJECT CONNECT, I WOULD LIKE TO VISUALLY SEE, OKAY, THEY'RE COMING IN POTENTIALLY THESE MONTHS, RIGHT? TENTATIVE THESE MONTHS, POTEN TENTATIVE CAPITAL DELIVERY HERE.
LIKE WE SEE, YOU KNOW, IF PROPOSED BUDGET IN MARCH, LIKE WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A TOPIC IN MARCH.
AND SO IF WE'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS LATER, THEN WE'RE LIKE, WELL, THIS IS GONNA TAKE AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE A LONGER DISCUSSION THAN WE COULD OTHER ITEMS THAT COME UP I THINK WE COULD ADD TO IT.
WE COULD DO THAT WITH THE PROVISION THAT THE CHART WILL BE WRONG.
AND IT, AND IT COULD CHANGE AS WE GO, BUT I THINK JUST, JUST THINKING OF, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF START THINKING THAT PLANNING OF AHEAD OF TIME, LIKE, OKAY, IF WE WANT, IF WE KNOW LEAP IS GONNA COME OUT, LET'S ALREADY TENTATIVELY PUT 'EM IN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S THE, THE PROB AND NATALIE CAN SPEAK TO HER EXPERIENCES, BUT I'LL TRY TO TALK ABOUT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CHAIR.
SO THE CHAIR DOES SOME EXTRA WORK WORKING WITH THE STAFF LIAISON TO SET THE AGENDA.
AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD IS, UM, AND IT PLAYS OUT SOMETIMES IN WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO PASS OR HOW OUR DISCUSSIONS ARE ABLE TO BE, IS, I'M JUST GONNA STATE MY OPINION IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE REQUESTED STAFF TO COME OUT AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO COME OUT.
AND I'M, I'VE FELT SOME FRUSTRATION WITH THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR MEETINGS ARE IN THE EVENINGS AND PEOPLE HAVE FAMILIES.
SO I THINK, UM, OR A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT READY.
AND I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THAT TOO.
BUT I THINK IT'S, I I JUST WILL OBSERVE THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT SOMETIMES BECOMES CHALLENGING TO PUT TOGETHER MEETINGS AND THEN IT ENDS UP THAT WE HAVE FIVE THINGS IN ONE MEETING AND THEN A MEETING LIKE THIS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PRETTY ABBREVIATED HONESTLY.
UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET AS MUCH ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE A LOT OF REQUESTS WERE MADE AND PEOPLE WEREN'T READY FOR THIS MEETING.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, I, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THIS SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, BUT DO YOU THINK LIKE IF WE NOT, LIKE IF LIVING STREETS KNOWS THAT WE NEED TO GET AN UPDATE AND WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN APRIL, I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT NOW OR WITHIN A COUPLE MONTHS, AND THEY COULD ALREADY START PUTTING THAT IN THEIR AGENDA, LIKE ON THEIR CALENDAR.
LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE TO GET AN UPDATE IN APRIL.
I, I DO ACTIVELY, ACTIVELY REACH OUT TO PEOPLE.
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UM, THEY WERE HERE SIX MONTHS AGO.I ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THEM TODAY TO SEE IF POTENTIALLY NEXT MONTH WOULD WORK.
UM, I DON'T LIKE TO PUT ANYTHING IN STONE BEFORE I CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH SUSAN BEFORE WE PUT THE AGENDA OUT.
UM, THERE ARE SOMETIMES TWO ITEMS THAT I HAVE ON THE AGENDA THAT ARE SUGGESTED TO BE PULLED OFF BY, BY COMMISSIONERS TOO, RIGHT? SO SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE THIS HUGE AGENDA AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT.
UM, I, I WOULD SUGGEST IF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE PROJECT CONNECT AND, AND CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES QUARTERLY, DEFINITELY DO THOSE ON OPPOSITE MONTHS.
UM, 'CAUSE TECHNICALLY THEY'RE KIND OF ALL OUT OF THE SAME LOCATION.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE, WE CAN TRY AND GET A GOOD CADENCE.
UM, AND I, I ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH TP W'S DIRECTOR YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS FOR LIKE ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT I RUN.
UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF TOUGH TO SAY WE'RE GONNA, LIKE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LIKE THAT.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN STATUS, I'VE KIND OF TRIED TO DROP DATES.
UM, IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE TIMELINESS, SO YOU, WE MIGHT SAY THIS IS WHEN THESE, THESE, THESE, THIS IS WHEN THEY COME TOWARD QUARTERLY AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TIMELINESS WISE AND IT BLOWS EVERYTHING OUT OF THE WATER.
UM, MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE DIRECTION ON WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THESE THINGS LAND.
I JUST CAN'T PROMISE THEY WILL LAND THERE FOR SURE.
YEAH, NO, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA LAND.
SO I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW, LIKE, I RECOGNIZE, I'M NOT SAYING EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SET IN STONE.
UM, I JUST, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I'M LIKE, OH MAN, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS NOT EVEN THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD.
RIGHT? AND SO I THINK JUST BEING A NEWER COMMISSIONER AS WELL, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE REOCCURRING THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVERY YEAR, UM, THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A PULSE OF, OF LIKE URBAN TRAILS, RIGHT? LIKE WE'RE IN A BIG CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.
WELL, IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IN SIX MONTHS? LIKE, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF LIKE ALL THE THINGS.
UM, AND THEN NOT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE NOT KEEPING ON TOP OF IT.
I JUST, I'M TRYING TO JUST THINK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF HOW WE COULD PUT IT IN MORE OF A CADENCE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I, I, I, I HATE TO SAY THAT I'M FEELING I'M RATHER PESSIMISTIC ABOUT THAT, BUT RECENT EXPERIENCE HAS MADE ME RATHER PESSIMISTIC ABOUT THAT.
I'M TRY, I HOPE YOU HEAR ME TRYING TO LIKE
LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE QUARTERLY UPDATES WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE BUDGET UPDATES.
BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S, IF ANYTHING, IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE.
UM, AND I THINK TOO DURING PANDEMIC, LIKE REALLY, LIKE WE WEREN'T REALLY CONTROLLING OUR AGENDA.
IT WAS JUST LIKE WHO WANTED TO COME TO US IN A LOT OF WAYS AND NOT FULLY, BUT LIKE, UM, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET BACK INTO A BETTER GROOVE AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING A TON OF PROGRESS BY EVEN HAVING THIS FORECAST SHEET IS A HUGE STEP IN THAT DIRECTION TO WHERE WE WERE A YEAR AGO.
UM, AND I THINK WE CAN KEEP WORKING ON THAT.
I DID NOTICE AT LEAST ONE THING THAT'S NOT ON THE SHEET, I KNOW THAT WE HAD SAID AT THE EARLY FALL WE WANTED TO HAVE GREEN STREETS BACK FOR A POSSIBLE WRECK BECAUSE THEY WERE LIKE FINISHING THEIR STUDY OR FINISHING THEIR SOMETHING.
ANOTHER, THEY'RE GOING TO COUNCIL IT.
SOMETHING'S SUPPOSED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, I BELIEVE IN EITHER.
NOVEMBER, OCTOBER, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DATE.
SO IF WE CAN MAKE SURE, SO GREEN STREET SHOULD BE ON HERE IN GREAT SPRINGS.
THOSE KIND OF SOUNDS SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
I WAS JUST WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO TALK ABOUT GREAT SPRINGS TODAY.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON HERE.
THOSE, THOSE TWO SHOULD DEFINITELY BE ON HERE AND, AND GREAT, GREAT SPRINGS.
SEE IT'S ALREADY CONFUSING ME.
GREAT SPRINGS IS I THINK OCTOBER.
I'M SORRY, ONE MORE THAT, UM, I, I'M, I'VE BEEN MEANING TO BRING UP TWO MEANS IN A ROW.
UM, THE BIKE LANE BLOCKAGE RESOLUTION, INSTRUCTED, UH, STAFF TO COME BACK TO MOBILITY COMMITTEE ON EITHER OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS DIFFICULTIES ABOUT COMING TO, UH, COMMISSIONS BEFORE GOING TO MOBILITY COMMITTEE, BUT WHENEVER IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO ALSO COME TO THE UTC UM, THIS FALL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO ONE THING I WILL SAY TOO, ARLEN, UM, I HAVE A RUNNING LIST OF EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DATA FROM PRIOR TO ME BEING IN THE ROLE.
UM, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHERE THINGS LANDED TO TRY AND MATCH IT UP AND GO FORWARD.
SINCE NOW I HAVE, AND YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY I COULD LOOK AT OLD AGENDAS, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF, I JUST SHIFTING THINK ABOUT PROJECT CONNECT.
[01:25:01]
IF THE FDA COMES TO TOWN, ALL BETS ARE OFF.OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY.
IF THERE ARE NONE, I MOVE ADJOURNMENT AT 6:29 PM WHICH IS QUITE, I.