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SO ONE ON TUESDAY,

[CALL TO ORDER]

SEPTEMBER 17TH.

I'M CALLING TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE ARE IN AUSTIN, CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS, ROOM 1001.

I'LL START WITH CALL THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

HANK SMITH, CHAIR.

I AM PRESENT.

VICE CHAIR BETSY GREENBERG.

HERE.

SECRETARY KERRY THOMPSON.

I HAVE NOT SEEN HER.

UM, PARLIAMENTARIAN, UH, FLORES.

I BELIEVE SHE'S STUCK IN GUADALAJARA OF ALL PLACES TO BE STUCK.

SHE'S BAD.

YEAH, I KNOW.

.

COMMISSIONER BOONE PRESENT.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER DEPORTE HERE.

PRESENT.

I GET THAT RIGHT.

WEDNESDAY.

COMMISSIONER FOUTS? NO.

COMMISSIONER FOUS.

COMMISSIONER FLOYD HERE.

COMMISSIONER PKI PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER STERN PRESENT AND ARE ALL NEW.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR MAJOR.

I'LL LET YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

UH, MY NAME'S TAYLOR MAJOR.

UH, I'M A LAND DEVELOPER HERE IN AUSTIN.

UH, I ALSO HAVE A LAW DEGREE AND I'VE KNOWN, UH, CHAIRMAN SMITH FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS ROUGHLY.

YEP.

UH, VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

WELCOME ABOARD.

UM, WE HAVE NO EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO I'LL CALL TO ORDER ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

NOBODY IN THE ROOM WANTS TO SPEAK ON GENERAL ITEMS. UM, WE'LL HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 3RD.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? WE CAN ADJUST QUICKLY.

IF NOT, THAT'LL STAY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEM TWO IS A CONSENT

[Consent Agenda]

ITEM REZONING C 14 20 24 8.

INDIAN HILLS NINE AT FM 9 73 IS AT, UM, 11 900 DUCKER LAKE ROAD.

IT IS A REZONING FROM LICO AND MF THREE TO G-R-M-U-C-O.

IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

AND ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ITEM THREE SPC 2023 DASH OH 4 3 2 C NORTHWEST POOL RENOVATION AT 7,000 RDA STREET.

IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

UM, IT IS A GENERAL, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS.

UM, SO IT IS PULLED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.

DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA CONSENT AGENDA? DO I HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND AND A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? IT'S UNANIMOUS.

OKAY.

ITEM THREE, WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION.

HELLO, THIS IS MEG GREENFIELD.

I'M THE CASE MANAGER AND SITE PLAN REVIEWER FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, SO THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSING POOL RENOVATIONS TO THE EXISTING POOL IN THE BEVERLY S SHEFFIELD DISTRICT PARK, LOCATED AT 7,000 RDA DRIVE COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN IN THE SHOAL CREEK WATERSHED.

SO THIS MEETING SPECIFICALLY IS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UM, THIS IS REQUIRED BY LDC 25 2 6 2 5, WHICH, UM, SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC ZONING AND YOUR LIMITS OF CONSTRUCTION ARE OVER ONE ACRE, YOU NEED TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND HAVE TO GO TO LAND USE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

I HAVE A LITTLE PROJECT BACKGROUND, UM, FOR Y'ALL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE, BUT IT JUST A COUPLE MINUTES AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.

UM, SO THE PARK IS 31 ACRES.

UM, THE PROJECT AREA FOR THIS PROJECT IS 3.7 ACRES, MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE POOL.

UM, SO THE CITY OF AUSTIN PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 1955.

IT WAS LAST PLANNED IN 1987.

PARK AMENITIES INCLUDE BASEBALL FIELDS, BASKETBALL AND TENNIS COURTS, POOL, PICNIC SPACES, DUCK POND, WHICH I HEAR IS A FAVORITE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAILS, ET CETERA.

UM, SO THIS PROJECT ALONG WITH MONTOPOLIS POOL RENOVATIONS WERE IN ONE, UM, PACKAGE.

UM, AND, UH, PART IS THE PROJECT SPONSOR.

SO THESE WENT OUT TO BID IN 2021.

UM, AND THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET FOR THIS POOL PROJECT IS 7,065,000, AND THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH 2018 GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.

AND THEN, UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, THIS WAS NEWS TO ME, BUT THERE'S A 2014 AQUATIC ASSESSMENT, UH, THAT WAS DONE.

AND 2018 COUNCIL APPROVED AQUATIC MASTER PLAN.

SO I THINK THOSE WERE CONSULTED IN THE DESIGN OF, UM, THIS PROJECT AND, UH, EXPLAINED THE, UH, WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

SO THE SPECIFIC

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PROJECT, RENOVATING EXISTING POOL AND DECK ACCESSIBLE PARKING AREAS, ASSOCIATE UTILITIES.

UM, THE PARK IS BASICALLY FULLY IN THE FLOOD IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

SO IT DOES FUNCTION AS A FLOODPLAIN.

NO CHANGES TO THE FLOODPLAIN ARE PROPOSED.

UM, THE PROJECT WILL DECREASE THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVER BY 958 SQUARE FEET.

SO THE NEW TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVER WILL BE 18.9% OF THE TOTAL PARK.

UM, BECAUSE THERE IS NO INCREASE TO IMPERVIOUS COVER DETENTION'S NOT REQUIRED.

SO THERE'S NO DETENTION INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

AND I DID RECEIVE, UM, OVER THE WEEKEND SOME COMMENTS FROM, UM, ALLENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UM, AND SO I THINK THOSE FOLKS ARE HERE AND, UM, I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, THE PROJECT ARCHITECT IS HERE.

UM, THE PROJECT ENGINEER WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND.

UM, SO YEAH, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW BE HEARING FROM OUR PRIMARY SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION, JOSEPH REYNOLDS.

JOSEPH, YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES.

YEAH.

CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

UH, I'M JOE REYNOLDS.

I LIVE ON 49TH STREET IN BAJA ALLENDALE, AND I'M WORKING WITH THE THE PARKS, UH, COMMITTEE ON THIS.

AND I SENT Y'ALL THE EMAIL YESTERDAY ABOUT OUR CONCERNS WITH THE, UH, MR. FREY.

THE, THE ENGINEER'S, UH, LETTER SEEMS TO DISMISS THE ISSUES OF GROUNDWATER IN THE PARK.

AND, UH, THERE'S LOTS OF STORIES ABOUT HOW WE KNOW ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UH, IT'S TYPICAL THAT, UH, IN FACT, UH, THE, UH, UH, STORMWATER GUYS HAVE GOT A WORD FOR IT.

IT'S CALLED INFORMAL FLOODING BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT THE NEIGHBORS DO.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE.

IT SEEMS LIKE, AT LEAST BASED ON THAT ENGINEERING LETTER.

UH, AND I, IN THAT EMAIL, I TOLD YOU HOW I KNOW ABOUT THE STUFF.

UH, THE STUDY THAT MY WIFE AND I DID, WE FOUND A SEEP IN THE EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE MOUND THAT HAS THE POOL IN IT THAT, UH, THAT WAS CONSTANT AND RUNNING.

AND IT WAS NOT CITY WATER, IT WAS GROUNDWATER THAT WAS COMING THERE.

AND MARY, THE NEXT SPEAKER CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH GROUNDWATER ACTUALLY IS CAPTURED AT THE POOL HOUSE AND SENT OVER TO THE POND SO THAT THE, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT GROUNDWATER WITH THIS THING.

AND AGAIN, THE CONCERN HERE IS THAT, THAT BE RECOGNIZED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION.

THE, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT IN TOWN THAT I'VE MENTIONED TO SEVERAL FOLKS THAT, THAT PARKS AND RECS ALSO DID.

AND THAT WAS TO BUILD A TRAIL ALONG, UH, SHOAL CREEK.

AND THE PROBLEM OF THE GEOLOGY OF THE CREEK BANK WAS WELL KNOWN AND DISCUSSED AND CARRIED ON.

BUT SOMEHOW WHEN THINGS WENT THROUGH AND GOT APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, IT WAS ASSUMED THAT ALL WAS HUNKY DORY.

THERE WAS NO ISSUE.

AND SO THE CONTRACT WAS TO BUILD A SIDEWALK, BUT THERE WAS NO CONCERN FOR THE DEL RIO CLAY AND THE OTHER STUFF THAT WOULD CAUSE THE HILLSIDE TO COLLAPSE.

AND I THINK THE LAST I HEARD, THE PRICE FROM THAT WAS RUNNING ABOUT $26 MILLION.

AND SO WE, WE DON'T WANT THE EQUIVALENT OF THAT WITH THIS POOL PROJECT.

WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEHOW, AND WITH THE FOLKS HERE, MAYBE THEY'LL HEAR, OKAY, BUT THE CONCERNS AND THE ISSUES OF THE GROUNDWATER NEED TO BE CARRIED OVER INTO THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

AND THAT'S MY PURPOSE TONIGHT.

WE WANT THIS STUFF DONE.

WE JUST WANT IT DONE SO THAT IT WORKS.

AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

UH, LIKE I SAY, I, I WAS ON THE ALLENDALE BOARD IN 80 TO 83, SO I WAS AROUND FOR THE GREAT FLOOD THAT GOT US CALLED FLOOD ALLEY.

AND IT'S THREE FRIENDS OF MINE THAT ACTUALLY GOT THE, THE CITY, UH, WATER STORM WATER, UH, CODE PUT IN PLACE WITH THE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

UH, AND SO I KNOW ABOUT THE LEVY IN THE PARK AND HOW IT IS IN ACTUALLY A, A STORM WATER CAPTURE PLACE.

UH, THAT'S ALL THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR TONIGHT.

THE ISSUE TONIGHT IS HOW DO WE KEEP THE GROUNDWATER IN THE DESIGN OF, OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE? AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO THAT.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S A RESOLUTION YOU CAN SEND BACK TO THE, TO PARKS.

IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE PAPER BECAUSE PEOPLE CHANGE.

AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S MY, BUT THAT'S MY REQUEST IS THAT SOMEHOW WE FIND A WAY TO KEEP THIS KNOWLEDGE SO THAT, THAT WHEN, WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR THE CONTRACT, ALL OF THE STUFF IS THERE.

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OKAY.

AND I'M, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WE'RE HERE NOW.

MARY CAN TELL YOU JUST HOW MUCH GROUNDWATER ACTUALLY GOES INTO THE, INTO THE POND.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARY FARROW.

MARY MARY, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

UM, LIKE JOE, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, UNLIKE JOE, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT LIKE JOE, I WANNA SAY WE ARE, UH, WHOLLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PLAN, UM, TO RENOVATE THE POOL.

IT'S BEEN EAGERLY ANTICIPATED FOR SOME TIME.

UM, AND THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE OF A COUPLE THINGS I SAW IN THE, UM, IN THE, UM, ENGINEER SUMMARY LETTER AND IN THE, UM, THE REVIEW SHEET FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR, UM, UH, COMMISSION.

UM, THAT I JUST FEEL IS IMPORTANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD ABOUT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO OR THREE PRO BIG PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING TO THE PARK.

THERE'S GONNA BE THIS POOL RENOVATION, REPLACEMENT, WHATEVER.

UM, THERE'S GOING TO THEN BE THE, UM, THE DAM THAT RUNS ALONG SHOAL CREEK, THAT BOUNDS THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE PARK.

THERE'S ABOUT A $5 MILLION PROJECT TO RESTORE AND, AND, AND, UH, FIX THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WATERSHED IS OVERSEEING, I THINK, FOR THAT, UH, AREA.

AND THEN ONCE ALL THIS IS DONE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG WASTEWATER LINE REPLACEMENT THAT GOES INTO THE PARK TOO.

AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS INVOLVE WATER AND BIG, YOU KNOW, SOME BIG CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON.

AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS ONE DEPARTMENT MOVES TO ANOTHER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT THE SAME BASIC INFORMATION.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, MY STUFF IS, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE SLIDE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WAS A, A DOCUMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE NORTHWEST PARK VISION PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN EARLY 2022.

AND THE REASON I SEND THAT TO YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS BECAUSE THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THE, UM, ENGINEER'S LETTER SAYS THAT THERE ARE NO WETLANDS OR CITY OF AUSTIN IDENTIFIED CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, UH, ON SITE.

NOW, UM, THIS SHOWS THAT IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE WETLANDS IN THE PARK AND, UM, ALL THE BLUE AREA IS THE CRITICAL, UM, CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY.

SO I JUST, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS WHAT THAT MEANS TO, TO THIS PROJECT, TO WHATEVER EXTENT IT DOES.

BUT, BUT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD IS CONSISTENT, UM, WITH WHAT THE CITY IS IDENTIFYING AS WETLANDS AND CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONES.

UM, THE THIRD THING THAT I AM PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE, UM, AND I DIDN'T SEND THIS, BUT IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE, UH, IT'S IN YOUR REVIEW PACKET.

UM, THE, UH, THE, THE SKETCH THAT HAS ALL OF THE, UH, PROPOSED CHANGES.

IT'S THAT C 400, UH, PAGE THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN A LOT OF, IS THAT MY TIME? JUST WRAP UP REAL QUICKLY.

WELL, OKAY.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A DRAIN THAT GOES FROM THE PUMP ROOM OF THE POOL TO THE POND.

IT ACCUMULATES BASED ON A BA A A LOOSE TEST THAT WAS DONE IN THERE, 500,000 GALLONS OF GROUNDWATER EVERY YEAR.

WE WANT THAT WATER TO CONTINUE TO GO TO THE LITTLE POND THAT'S THERE, SO THAT IT IS SO THAT IT HAS LIFE WATER TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT, THAT DRAIN PIPE ON THE, UH, ON THE SKETCH.

OKAY.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO A LOT OF WORK RIGHT WHERE THAT PIPE COMES OUT, DRIVEWAY, SIDEWALK, AND ADDITIONAL, UH, WASTEWATER LINE.

AND IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT THAT DRAINAGE BE MAINTAINED.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MM-HMM, , THANK YOU MARY, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

CHAIR.

THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER SUPPORTING IT? THE ARCHITECT WANNA SPEAK OR IS HE JUST HERE AS A RESOURCE? YEAH, I, I CAN ANSWER A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS.

UM, THE LINE THAT SHE COME ON UP TO THE DIOCESE, IF YOU DON'T MIND THE LINE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOUR NAME IS, YEAH.

SEAN BACON WITH MARTIN BLOCK ARCHITECTURE.

SORRY, DON'T RECORD, DO THIS TOO OFTEN.

, UH, THE LINE IS ON THERE.

IT'S JUST PROBABLY NOT CLEARLY INDICATED FOR YOU, BUT IT IS IN THERE.

OKAY.

AND I CAN, UH, ASSURE YOU THAT WE ARE STILL CONTINUING TO TAKE THAT WATER THAT COMES INTO THERE AND IT STILL GOES TO THE SAME APPARATUS, THE SAME PIPING SYSTEM THAT WAS ORIGINALLY

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FEEDING.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS THE EXTENT OF OUR SURVEY DON'T PROVE AND SHOW EXACTLY WHERE IT ENDS UP, BUT IT, WE ARE STILL CONTINUING TO USE THAT METHOD.

AND THEN SECONDLY, THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE DO KNOW THAT WAS COMING INTO THAT PUMP ROOM AS WELL.

THAT WAS FROM THE, FROM THE POOL ITSELF TO WHAT DEGREE VERSUS TRUE GROUNDWATER AND NOBODY, I THINK WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

YEAH.

BUT THE POOL CORRECTION, THE REMODELING OF THE POOL, WHICH IS NOT A REPLACEMENT, IT'S A CORRECTION TO THE POOL, UH, WILL ADDRESS THE LEAKING OF THE POOL.

BUT, UH, WE, WE DO, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WATER IS STILL CONTINUING TO GO TO THE SAME PLACE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

AND CHAIR WILL NOW HEAR FROM THE, UM, WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM, OH, THERE'S NO APPLICANT, I APOLOGIZE, , UM, THAT'S CON THAT CONCLUDES ALL OUR SPEAKERS.

OKAY.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. REYNOLDS.

SO IN YOUR LETTER YOU SAY YOU SHOULD RECOMMEND MEANING US THAT BEFORE APPROVAL THE SITE PLAN MORE CAREFULLY ANALYZE AND IDENTIFY GROUNDWATER THAT CAN AFFECT THE POOL AND THE STRENGTH OF THE SOIL SUPPORTING IT.

SO ARE YOU ADVOCATING THAT WE NOT APPROVE THIS TODAY? AS I SAID EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSION, THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY GUESS AT THE TIME I WROTE THAT, THAT Y'ALL MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MECHANISM MECHANISM IS, BUT, BUT THE, THE ISSUES OF, OF THE STRENGTH OF THE GROUNDWATER, OF THE SOIL WITH THE GROUNDWATER IN IT STUFF NEEDS TO BE IN THAT, UH, ENGINEERING RECORD.

AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL DO IT.

I THINK WE CAN APPROVE IT AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, ALLS WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

RIGHT.

APPROVED.

THAT'S RIGHT.

I UNDERSTAND.

I, I, WE APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

IT'S APPROVED.

IT'S APPROVED.

SO, AND WE CAN HAVE THAT, IT'LL BE IN OUR MINUTES THAT WE RECOMMEND, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO, THAT WE RECOMMEND THE SITE PLAN BE MORE CAREFULLY ANALYZED AS YOU SUGGEST.

OKAY.

BUT IT JUST GOES IN OUR MINUTES.

WELL THEN MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IF WE CAN GET ENROLLED AS INTERESTED PARTIES IN THIS THING, THEN MAYBE WE CAN KEEP IT IN THEIR, IN THEIR WHEELHOUSE THAT WAY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE THAN US DELAYING APPROVAL.

I, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TONIGHT TO, TO HELP US STRUGGLE THROUGH THIS.

SURE.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

I DO KNOW THERE'S TWO PROJECTS GOING THROUGH SIMULTANEOUSLY THIS AND ONE IN MONTOPOLIS.

UM, AND I KNOW THE ONE IN MONTOPOLIS, THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EXTRA MONEY ON THEIR PROJECT.

SO IF THIS WOULD, THIS PROJECT DOESN'T GO THROUGH AND WE DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, THEN ALL THAT MONEY COULD BE SPENT IN MONIS AND GIVE A MUCH BETTER FACILITY IN THE, ON TOP OF THIS AREA.

UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEND SOME MONEY IN AN AREA THAT REALLY NEEDS IT AND REALLY WANTS THE, THE ADDITIONAL PROJECT.

SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE AS WELL.

BUT I WILL OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.

WELL, LET'S TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL SECOND.

OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION? UH, MR. CHAIR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, WE'RE SIMPLY IF A, A YAS VOTE IS IN FAVOR OF AUTHORIZING THE SITE PLAN, CORRECT? NO, NO.

THE WE'RE, THERE'S A CON THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE THAT IF YOU HAVE A PUBLIC ZONING AND YOUR IMPERVIOUS COVER IS MORE THAN AN OR YOUR LIMITED CONSTRUCTION IS MORE THAN AN ACRE, THEN YOU HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEFORE US IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC PROJECT IMPACTING MORE THAN AN ACRE.

SO IT COMES TO US, THE SITE PLAN IS STILL UNDER REVIEW AT THE CITY AND WILL CONTINUE UNDER REVIEW WITH THE CITY.

YES.

SO THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SITE PLAN AT ALL.

YEAH.

SO THE SITE PLAN IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.

UM, AND THEY WON'T GET THE PERMIT UNTIL THEY CLEAR ALL THE COMMENTS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT REVIEWERS, UM, INCLUDING DRAINAGE, WATER QUALITY, AUSTIN WATER, ET CETERA.

SO THIS, UM, THIS IS KIND OF CLEARING THAT, UM, THAT CODE SECTION THAT THEY, THEY GET FROM THE PUBLIC ZONING.

AND IF YOU'RE BORED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK UP THE CODE SECTION.

IT'S VERY WEIRD.

BUT, UM, IT'S BECAUSE THE P ZONING DOESN'T HAVE VERY SPECIFIC, UM, SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS LIKE ALL THE OTHER ZONING CATEGORIES.

SO, UM, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY OURSELVES AREN'T DOING ANYTHING CRAZY, I GUESS.

UM, SO , THAT'S WHERE THAT CODE SECTION'S FROM.

UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE SITE PLAN'S STILL UNDER REVIEW PROBABLY A FEW MONTHS OUT FROM GETTING THEIR PERMIT.

THEY STILL HAVE TO CLEAR ALL THEIR COMMENTS.

CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE FOR BACKTRACKING, BUT WOULD YOU MIND RESTATING WHO

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THE MAKER AND THE SECOND WERE FOR UH, CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING? SURE.

THE MAKER WAS, UM, GREENBERG, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER DEPORTE.

THANK YOU.

YEP.

ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

YES, MR. GREENBERG? I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THAT WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT BEFORE APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN, THEY MORE CAREFULLY ANALYZE AND IDENTIFY GROUNDWATER THAT CAN AFFECT THE POOL AND THE STRENGTH OF THE SOIL SUPPORTING IT.

OKAY.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

OKAY.

ONE OF THE TWO.

LONNIE, OR I'M GONNA GO WITH LONNIE.

I SAW YOU OUTTA THE CORNER OF MY, AYE FIRST.

SO LONNIE WAS THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? OKAY.

IT'S UNANIMOUS.

UM, MOVING ON TO WORKING

[WORKING GROUP/COMMITTEE UPDATES]

COMMITTEE UPDATES.

CODES AND ORDINANCES.

JOINT COMMITTEE.

OH, CODES AND ORDINANCES IS MEETING TOMORROW.

OKAY.

TO LOOK AT DENSITY BONUS AND PDAS.

SOUNDS EXCITING.

CONFERENCING PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE.

I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE MET, UM, I KNOW I DIDN'T MEET SO I DON'T THINK WE HAD A MEETING OF THE CONFERENCING PLAN.

JOINT COMMITTEE.

SMALL AREA PLANNING.

JOINT COMMITTEE WE HAVEN'T MET.

OKAY.

LATELY, NO, OCTOBER 9TH IS OUR NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS.

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

SO A MONTH AGO? YEP.

WE SAID WE WOULD HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE A WORKING GROUP TO UPDATE OUR RULES AND THEN IT NEVER MADE IT ONTO AN AGENDA.

SO THAT'S STILL A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE ON OUR UM, SO THEY HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM NEXT MONTH.

CREATE A COMMITTEE OR YEAH.

RULES COMMITTEE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS OCTOBER 1ST, OCTOBER ALREADY.

UM, SO I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THAT MEETING.

AND ON THE TOPIC OF THAT MEETING, LAST MEETING, WE POSTPONED TO UM, COMMISSION BROUGHT, UH, CODE IDEAS TO THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING.

UM, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

THEY'RE POSTPONED TO OCTOBER 1ST, UM, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY WAS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD CHOICE BECAUSE THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD NIGHT OUT.

UM, SO I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS JUST HEADS UP THAT I WOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE THAT WHEN THAT COMES ON OCTOBER 1ST, THAT WE POSTPONE IT TO OCTOBER 15TH, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT NOW.

SO IT'S JUST MORE OF A HEADS UP.

BUT MAYBE SEE IF THERE'S AGREEMENT TO THAT IDEA OR PUSH BACK.

WHAT IS, WHAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD NIGHT OUT? NEIGHBORHOOD? NIGHT OUT IS, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE PARTIES.

THE POLICE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USUALLY VISIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NIGHT OUT PARTIES.

IT'S A NATIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S ALL, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE IDEA BEING ALL NEIGHBORHOODS GET OUTSIDE, MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS, PUT A TABLETOP AND HAVE A POTLUCK DINNER OR WHATEVER.

KINDA LIKE A BLOCK PARTY ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IT'S A BLOCK PARTY ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

? YEAH, WE JUST DO POTLUCK.

BUT YES, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE DO FANCIER , SO WE'LL TRY TO HAVE A LIGHT AGENDA OVER THEM.

AND I WON'T BE HERE ANYWAY AND OUR CHAIR WON'T BE HERE.

AND IT MAY BE, I THINK AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE REALLY AFFECTS NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR I THINK SHOULD GET POSTPONED.

BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL THE TIME COMES.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? HEARING NONE SAYING NONE.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

ALRIGHT.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.