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WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 PEOPLE HERE FROM THE TASK FORCE.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AS SOON AS I FIND THE AGENDA.
[CALL TO ORDER]
TO ORDER.DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OUR NEXT TASK IS TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM, UM, OCTOBER 8TH.DO WE HAVE A MOTION? IT'S ALL ON YOU AND THE VIRTUAL WORLD FOR MOTIONS AND SECONDS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
I HEARD THAT, UM, SECOND WAS SECOND FROM SARAH.
ALL IN FA OR ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND WE HAVE SINCE LEARNED THAT IF YOU WERE NOT AT THE MEETING, YOU COULD STILL VOTE ON IT.
ANY, ANY INFA? ALL IN FAVOR? ANYONE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.
NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES INSTEAD OF THE AGENDA.
SORRY, THERE'S A LOT OF PAPER ON MY DESK HERE.
[2. Presentation on revisions to the draft Water Forward 2024 Plan, Water Conservation Plan, and Drought Contingency Plan reports]
WE'RE MOVING INTO OUR NEXT AND MAIN AND ONLY AGENDA ITEM PRESENTATIONS ON REVISIONS TO THE DRAFT WATER 4 20 24 PLAN, THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND THE DIRECT CONTINGENCY PLAN.UM, SO WE GOT A LOT OF DOCUMENTS, UM, VIA EMAIL AND THERE'S A BIG, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THIS BIG.
IF YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR HAND, IT'S A LOT.
UM, WE HAVE COPIES OF THE PLANS.
WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THE UPDATES AND CHANGES TO THEM.
WE DON'T HAVE EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION MATERIALS.
WE WERE JUST GOING TO PROVIDE SOME VERBAL UPDATES ON WHAT WAS DONE.
AND THEN, UM, YEAH, SO THIS IS THE TIME JUST FOR CONTEXT SETTING.
WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ON MONDAY ON THE, THE FOURTH.
HOW IS IT? NOVEMBER NEXT WEEK.
ON THE NOVEMBER 4TH, ON MONDAY, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER TASK FORCE MEETING.
AND IN THAT MEETING, UM, THERE WILL BE AN ACTION ITEM TO, THERE WILL BE I GUESS, THREE ACTION ITEMS, UM, TO RECOMMEND FOR COUNSEL APPROVAL.
THE WATER 4 24 PLAN, THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.
SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE ACTION ITEMS BECAUSE THEN AFTER THAT IT'S GOING TO AUSTIN WATER OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, WATER WASTEWATER COMMISSION, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL, I JUST WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY KIND OF LIKE A, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS.
AND, UM, AND SO WE HAVE THESE, ALL THESE DOCUMENTS AS THEY ARE AT THIS MOMENT.
AND THEN, AND THEN ANY UPDATES TO THESE DOCUMENTS OR CHANGES THAT ARE MADE, MADELINE IS WALKING IN.
THAT'S, UM, ANY UPDATES OR CHANGES THAT ARE MADE TO THESE, UM, WILL, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION TODAY OR WHATEVER MARISA RECEIVES OVER EMAIL OR WHATEVER IT, WE'LL HAVE A, A FINAL DRAFT BY OCTOBER 31ST BY HALLOWEEN.
SO THIS THURSDAY, UH, WE ARE AIMING TO SEND OUT THE FINAL VERSIONS OF ALL THREE PLANS, UM, INCLUDING APPENDICES.
SO QUICK TURNAROUND FOR EVERYBODY.
WE JUST GOT THESE HEAVILY REDLINED VERSIONS OR IS THE SUGGESTION THAT THERE WILL BE, THESE WILL BE OUT OF DATE AND THERE WILL BE MORE REVISIONS ON THURSDAY OR JUST WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS MEETING? JUST WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS MEETING FROM THE TASK FORCE.
AND THAT'S MY SECOND QUESTION.
LIKE, I KNOW THERE'S TWO SMALL THINGS I WANNA PROPOSE.
UM, THEY'RE VERY SMALL, BUT I DON'T HAVE THEM WRITTEN DOWN RIGHT NOW, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO WHAT WOULD I DO SEND IN? I MEAN, I CAN LIKE, AT THE RIGHT POINT IN THE MEETING WHEN WE GET TO THOSE PARTICULAR DOCUMENTS, I CAN SORT OF DESCRIBE YEP.
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EVERYBODY A HEADS UP THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCEDURE FOR LIKE SUBMITTING A PROPOSAL FOR A WRITTEN MODIFICATION? UH, YOU WOULD EMAIL THAT TO EMILY, UM, AND SHE CAN SEND THAT TO ME TO INCORPORATE INTO EDITS IN THE DOCUMENT.
AND I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, SO THESE ARE LIKE ALL PDFS, I WOULD LIKE COPY OUT THE TEXT AND LIKE INDICATE WHAT THE NEW TEXT IS, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
LIKE HE'S UNDERLINING YEAH, I THINK PROBABLY FROM THE DISCUSSION IT WILL BECOME A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THOSE COUPLE OF THINGS ARE.
WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT WORK? YEAH.
SO DOES EVERYBODY FEEL KIND OF GROUNDED IN THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE HERE RIGHT NOW AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE.
THINGS HAVE, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY
REGIONAL WATER PLANNING IS ALSO.
SO IT'S LIKE THERE'S A, A LOT, EVERYONE'S TRYING TO WRAP THINGS UP RIGHT NOW.
UM, OKAY, SO LET'S, UH, LET'S JUMP IN.
DOES EVERYBODY HAVE YOUR DOCUMENTS? AND THERE'S HARD COPIES OF THESE DOCUMENTS HERE IF PEOPLE AREN'T ABLE TO PRINT 'EM OR SOMETHING AND UM, OR IF THEY WANTED PRINT COPIES? UM, WE CAN, UH, I CAN GRAB ONE OR WE CAN, I GUESS IT'S NOT TIME TO MAIL 'EM TO ANYONE OR WHATEVER, BUT STILL.
SO I'M GOING TO JUST WALK THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE EDITS THAT WERE MADE TO THE WATER FORWARD REPORT.
UM, WE MADE EDITS TO THE SHORT REPORT.
I'LL START OFF WITH THAT DOCUMENT WE MADE, UM, SEVERAL EDITS JUST FOR READABILITY AND SOME CORRECTIONS.
SO NOT TOO SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF THOSE READABILITY EDITS.
UM, SARAH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
JUST ON ALL THESE DOCUMENTS ON THE BACKUP, THERE'S THE 2024 WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT SAYS BACKUP 2024 WCP RED LINE.
IS THAT THE SAME THING, JUST A RED LINE? YES, THEY'RE THE SAME THING.
ONE'S A CLEAN COPY AND ONE'S A RED LINE.
AND SO THEN YOU'RE ON DRAFT WATER FORWARD 2024 PLAN.
YOU SAID FOR READABILITY ON PAGES? YES.
SO FIVE TO SEVEN, THERE WERE FIVE PAGES WHERE WE MADE EITHER CORRECTIONS OR THERE WERE SOME READABILITY EDITS.
I CAN TALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE WERE, BUT THAT'S FINE.
IT'S JUST LIKE A SOLID RED LINE.
THIS, THIS FOR THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, BASICALLY.
OH, JENNIFER, YOUR MIC'S NOT ON.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE.
NO, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS IT'S FIVE DISTINCT LOCATIONS.
THE FIRST ONE BEGINNING ON PAGE NINE.
SORRY, I COMPLETELY MISHEARD THAT.
I'M JUST SHARING THAT THESE CORRECTIONS, WHEN I SAY GENERALLY THERE WERE READABILITY EDITS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THESE WERE NOT EXTENSIVE.
THERE WERE ONLY FIVE DISTINCT LOCATIONS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, FIVE DISTINCT LOCATIONS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON PAGE NINE IT SAYS, UM, THERE'S AN EDIT TO INCLUDE REGIONAL IN THE, IN THE NAME BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO, UH, INCLUDED, AS YOU MENTIONED,
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.
YEAH, IT'S IT IS AFTER THE LETTER.
SO THERE IS A NEW EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT WAS INCLUDED ON PAGE ONE.
UM, IT'S PAGES ONE THROUGH, UH, FIVE, NO SORRY, PAGES ONE THROUGH SIX.
UM, THAT IS THE MOST EXTENSIVE NEW LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADDED TO THE REPORT.
WE'VE ALSO, UM, MADE SEVERAL CHANGES TO THE DIRECTOR'S MESSAGE.
UM, SET SOME FURTHER KIND OF READABILITY EDITS.
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TO THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS TO ADD SEVERAL AUSTIN WATER STAFF AND TO CORRECT THE TITLES OF SOME OF OUR CONSULTANTS.WE HAVE UPDATED OUR ABBREVIATIONS LIST, UH, TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ABBREVIATIONS THAT WERE FOUND WITHIN THE PLAN AND TO ALSO PUT THOSE INTO ALPHABETICAL ORDER, UM, IN THE FUTURE WATER STRATEGIES CHAPTER ON PAGE 32.
OH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PAGE NUMBERS GOT SHIFTED SLIGHTLY.
IT'S ACTUALLY ON PAGE 33 IN THE FUTURE WATER STRATEGIES CHAPTER.
WE'VE BROKEN OUT INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE FROM CAPTURE LADY BIRD LAKE INFLOWS IN THE TABLE.
AND THAT HAS BEEN, UM, CARRIED THROUGH, UH, IN, UH, YES.
SO JUST A SUGGESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE IF YOU COULD LIKE SHARE SCREEN AND SHOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S PRETTY HARD TO LIKE GO THIS FAST AND FIND WHERE YOU ARE.
LIKE I DIDN'T, I I COULDN'T EVEN GET TO THE RIGHT DOCUMENT FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M THERE NOW AND I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ANYONE ELSE.
I WAS DOING BUT ON THIS REALLY GOOD UNTIL WE GOT TO THE PAGE 32, 33 PART.
UM, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO COMMENT ON ALSO, SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET THERE.
AND IF WE COULD SHARE SCREEN THEN I COULD LIKE WE COULD ALL SEE THE SAME WORDS.
I HAVE A A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, PAGE 34.
HOW COME THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ABOUT LIKE THE POLYBUTYLENE PIPE REPLACEMENT AND STUFF SINCE THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR CAUSES OF THE LEAKS? IS THAT LIKE TWO IN THE WEEDS? IS THAT, CAN WE DO THE PAGE 33? YEAH.
PART FIRST AND THEN WE CAN DO THAT NEXT.
UM, 'CAUSE I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING ON PAGE 33.
YEAH, SO I HAVE A, A COMMENT ABOUT THE CAPTURING LOCAL INFLOWS, BUT I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT MARISA WAS SAYING ABOUT WHAT THE CHANGE IS.
IS THIS PAGE 33? I MEAN IT SAYS 33 MM-HMM.
I WAS LOOKING FOR RED LINE ON THAT.
THE WHOLE TABLE GOT A RED LINE BECAUSE IT'S IN REPLACED.
SO THERE'S NO RED LINE ON THAT, IT'S JUST THAT IT WAS ADDED TO THE TABLE.
WORD DOESN'T TRACK EDITS TO TABLES VERY WELL ON RED LINES.
SO THAT CAPTURE LOCAL INFLOWS TO LADY BIRD LAKE AND THE TABLE, WHICH IS IN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CLOSE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE SECOND HALF OF THE TABLE THAT HAS BEEN ADDED.
IT WAS, IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS AS COMBINED OR ENCAPSULATED IN INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? AND NOW THEY'VE BEEN BROKEN OUT INTO TWO SEPARATE STRATEGIES.
AND THIS REFLECTS, UM, CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD.
UM, UH, BILL BUNCH HAS COME IN AND MADE SOME COMMENTS AROUND THIS.
BUT CAN I ASK MY QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.
IS THERE A SEPARATE PLACE THAT IN WHERE THE STRATEGIES ARE EXPLAINED THAT DESCRIBES CAPTURE LOCAL INFLOWS? OR IS THIS THE ONLY MENTION? HOLD ON.
DON'T I THINK THAT MAURICE IS TRYING TO GET THE SHARE SCREEN UP.
UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A SEPARATE SECTION.
I DON'T THINK THAT DESCRIBES THE CAPTURE LOCAL INFLOWS.
UM, BUT WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A SECTION FOR ALL THE OTHER WAIT, WHAT? THAT'S NOT MY COMMENT.
WAIT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
I'M JUST ASKING FACTUALLY DOES IT HAVE A NO.
A SEPARATE EXPLANATION? NO, IT DOES NOT.
THIS IS, SO THIS CHAPTER FIVE TABLE, PAGE 33, CAPTURE LOCAL INFLUENCE TO LADYBIRD LAKE.
THIS IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION OF THAT
SO, AND THEN FOR MY TASK FORCE MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE PLAN AND SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S USING THE IN IT.
WOULD I JUST THERE BE INTENDED TO LIKE, WE'D BE CAPTURING INFLOWS
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MOSTLY FROM BARTON CREEK INTO LADYBIRD LAKE.AND SO WHAT I WANNA FIGURE OUT IS IF THERE'S A WAY TO SPECIFICALLY MENTION THAT I THINK IT'S IM COULD BE AN IMPORTANT AND HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE TO BE INCLUDING, UM, BARTON CREEK AND THE BARTON CREEK WATERSHED IF WE WILL BE CAPTURING LOCAL INFLOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS REASONS TO SPECIFY THAT.
SO I WILL TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE.
I JUST WASN'T SURE HOW MANY PLACES IN THE PLANE THAT APPEARED.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE, LIKE BEING EXPLAINED FURTHER WITH THIS ASTERISK.
SO I'VE BEEN REMINDED THAT ON PAGE 46 OF THE WATERFORD PLAN REPORT IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE STRATEGY, THERE IS A SENTENCE AT THE END OF THAT DESCRIPTION THAT SAYS, OUTSIDE OF DROUGHT EMERGENCIES, THE INTAKE AND PUMP STATION FROM IPR COULD BE USED TO CAPTURE LOCAL SPRING INFLOWS, LADYBIRD LAKE WHEN AVAILABLE.
AND THE RECLAIM TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE USED TO SUPPORT THE CENTRALIZED RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU ARE ABLE TO, TO 'CAUSE EACH OF THE STRATEGIES HAS LIKE A SECTION DESCRIBING IT WITH, WITH THE TABLE WITH THE ANNUAL YIELD TARGETS.
UM, I THINK THAT IT'S, I MEAN I GUESS I HAVEN'T LOOKED, I JUST KIND OF ASSUMED THAT THESE ARE ALL HERE.
EACH ONE OF THESE LINES HAS THAT MM-HMM.
'CAUSE THEN, AND THEN, UM, ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXTENSIVE, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE WE DO FOR EACH LINE ITEM.
I ALSO THINK ADDING A MAP TO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL OF WHERE IT WOULD BE TAKEN FROM BARTON CREEK.
WELL THEY HAVE THE ARROW FOR THE INFLOWS ON THE MAP, BUT MAYBE YEAH.
THEY COULD SHOW THE CREEK OR SOMETHING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? YEAH.
WELL SO SINCE THE TABLE, UM, SHOWS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THOSE ASTERISKS OR THE INFRASTRUCTURES INCLUDED IN THE INDIRECT PORTAL REUSE STRATEGY, WHAT IF WE, UM, UH, ADD A KIND OF SUBHEADER UNDER THE IPR STRATEGY THAT TALKS ABOUT IT? UM, AND THEN THAT'S USING THAT SAME GRAPHIC BASICALLY.
'CAUSE I WAS KIND OF WONDERING ABOUT HOW YOU WERE GONNA DO THE COST IF YOU WERE GONNA ALLOCATE IT OUT BY STRATEGY.
'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE LIKE TWO ANNUAL YIELD TARGETS.
YOU COULD HAVE AN ANNUAL YIELD TARGET FOR IPR AND THEN A SECOND ONE UNDERNEATH IT FOR CAPTURE LOCAL INFLOWS.
SO THIS COULD, COULD, IT COULD JUST BE SOME ADDITION AND CHANGING OF HEADINGS AND PUTTING THE AMOUNT IN THERE.
AND I WILL, UM, I THINK POSSIBLY LIKE MODIFYING THAT ONE SENTENCE WHERE IT SAYS COULD BE USED TO CAPTURE LOCAL SPRING INFLOWS TO LADY BIRD LAKE.
MAYBE THERE'S JUST A MINOR MODIFICATION THERE.
AND THEN, UM, SO I'LL SUBMIT THAT OVER EMAIL, WHICH COULD BE SENT OUT AND PROBABLY MAKING THE SECOND HALF OF THAT SENTENCE A DIFFERENT SENTENCE.
SO IT'S NOT TRYING TO DO SO MUCH WORK.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS TOO IS, IS TO, UM, LIKE THE IPR WOULD BE DURING CRITICAL DROUGHT MM-HMM.
AND THEN LIKE MAKING CLEAR THAT THAT DURING OTHER TIMES, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A TIMELINESS TO THIS AS WELL.
BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STRATEGY AND IT'S ALSO BEING RESPONSIVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD AND REALLY, UM, UH, TEASED PART THE STRATEGY A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT WELL.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR JUST TO ADD SOME CLARITY AROUND IT.
I MEAN, SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO WE WERE ALL LEARNING WHAT THIS IS AND SO LET'S, WE CAN MAKE IT CLEARER.
THANK YOU FOR FLAGGING THAT, SARAH.
ARE WE GOOD ON THIS ONE? OKAY.
MADELINE, I MEAN, HAD A, DO YOU WANNA KEEP GOING OR MADELINE HAD A QUESTION ON PAGE 34 ABOUT THE, I ASSUME WATER LOSS.
LET'S TAKE MADELINE'S QUESTION.
UM, IT JUST, IT TALKS ABOUT ACTIVE LEAK DETECTION PROGRAMS AND STUFF, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE PIPING REPLACEMENT
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FOR THE SERVICE LINES THAT ARE POLYBUTYLENE, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE LEAKING MOST.AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF RELEVANT CONSIDERING THEY WERE, UM, BANNED FOR THEIR BADNESS
WE CAN ADD A BULLET THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, BECAUSE SERVICE LINES WERE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THE WATER LOSS REPORT AS AN AREA OF FOCUS FOR US.
AND WE CALL OUT A BUNCH OF THESE OTHER AREAS OF FOCUS BUT NOT SERVICE LINES.
SO WE CAN ADD A BULLET ABOUT THAT.
I ALSO WANTED TO SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE GRAPHICS Y'ALL ADDED.
AND ARE YOU OKAY IF WE ADD THAT BULLET ON PAGE 35 WITHIN THESE IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS? OR WOULD YOU, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WE WOULD DO.
THIS IS, UM, A SLIDE ON THE SCREEN SHOWING THE EDITS.
UH, LIKE A SUMMARY OF THE EDITS THAT WERE MADE.
UM, THEY'RE NOT IN EXACT ORDER, BUT, UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED THROUGH THE READABILITY EDITS ON THOSE TOP LINE AND THE TOP ROW READABILITY.
AND IT'S WITHIN THE DIRECTOR'S, UH, MESSAGE CORRECTIONS TO TITLES AND, UH, ADDITIONS OF NAMES.
AND THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS ABBREVIATIONS ADDED A NEW EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, UM, FUTURE WATER STRATEGIES THAT BREAKOUT OF IPR AND CAPTURE LOCAL INFLOWS.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE STRATEGIES AS WELL ON PAGES ON PAGE 46.
UM, THEN ALSO IN FUTURE WATER STRATEGIES ON, UH, PAGE 33 THROUGH 37.
UM, AND PAGE 48, 33 TO 37, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? OH, OKAY.
'CAUSE IT'S IN, IT'S ON PAGE 40 34.
SOME OF MY PAGE NUMBERS GOT SWITCHED UP FROM THE TIME WHEN I WAS MAKING THESE NOTES.
THAT'S WHAT ENDED UP IN OH, IT ENDED UP IN THE PDF IN THE DOCUMENT THAT GOT PDFED.
SO ON PAGE, LET'S SEE, ON 30 34, WE TALK ABOUT THE GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY.
THAT'S A LINE EDIT IN THE PARAGRAPH UNDER UTILITY SIDE WATER LOSS CONTROL.
AND THEN SIMILARLY ON CUSTOMER SIDE, WATER USE MANAGEMENT AND NATIVE AND EFFICIENT LANDSCAPES.
EACH OF THOSE HAVE A LINE ADDED TO THE PARAGRAPH THAT TALKS ABOUT THE YIELD ON A GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY BASIS.
SO 34, 36 AND 38, THERE ARE SENTENCES THAT TRANSLATE THE 2030 AND 2040 SAVINGS FROM ACRE FEET TO GPCD.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST MAY WELL, I'M, I'M GONNA LOOK AROUND.
I MIGHT NOT SUGGEST THAT, NEVERMIND MY BRAIN IS WORKING BEFORE.
I NEED TO NOT SAY JUST RANDOM THOUGHTS.
SO THIS BRINGS A GOOD QUESTION AND I'M LOOKING ON THIS SLIDE.
IT SAYS, CONVERSION OF 2030 AND 2040, CONSERVATION STRATEGY SAVINGS INTO GPCD, WHICH IS GREAT RATE, UM, ALIGNMENT OF CONSERVATION IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, ADDED CONSERVATION OUTREACH, SMALL GRANTS PROGRAMS. SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT PIECE RIGHT HERE.
AND DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS ALIGNS OR DOESN'T ALIGN? I'M SURE IT ALIGNS HOW THIS ALIGNS WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
I MEAN, ARE WE, ARE WE AT THAT PLACE TO DO THAT YET? OR IS THAT GONNA LEAD US OFF INTO THE FOREST? WELL, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD, THIS HAS BEEN EDITED TO ALIGN WITH WHAT'S IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.
I'M THINKING IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT EDITS TO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, I SHOULD PROBABLY HAND THAT OVER TO KEVIN.
MAYBE WE SHOULD TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS FIRST.
SO, SO WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE, UM, I MEAN, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE PUTTING THIS INFORMATION IN HERE ABOUT THE G-P-C-D-I-I THINK IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CALLED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OR LIKE A SEPARATE SENTENCE WITH LIKE A LINE BREAK, WHICH IS GONNA MESS UP YOUR NO, YOU GOT ROOM, YOU GOT WHITE SPACE ON SOME OF THESE PAGES.
I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE AN IN DESIGN DOCUMENT AND IF YOU DESTROY ALL THE FORMATTING MM-HMM.
UM, BUT, UM, I JUST THINK, I THINK THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE, UM,
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YOU KNOW, UM, IS, IS HELPFUL AND IMPORTANT.UM, SO MAKE IT MAYBE A SEPARATE PARAGRAPH.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE A SEPARATE PARAGRAPH.
I ALSO, UM, MY, MY RANDOM THOUGHT THAT I WAS GONNA SAY BEFORE IS THAT THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD SPOT.
I'M LOOKING BACK AT THESE ACRONYMS TO JUST DO A LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SPACE TO DO LIKE A LITTLE CALL OUT BOX, WHICH IS GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY.
WHAT PAGE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I'M LOOKING, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE ONES THAT THEY JUST WENT OVER THE 33, 34, 34 ON UTILITY SIDE.
WATER LOSS CONTROL OR CUSTOMER.
YEAH, IT'S JUST, IT'S ALL THREE OF 'EM.
THE UTILITY SIDE, WATER LOSS CONTROL.
'CAUSE THEY'VE ADDED THE SENTENCE TO EACH ONE OF THESE THAT SAY HOW MANY GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY RIGHT.
IS THE STRATEGY GONNA YIELD? SO IT APPLIES TO ALL THREE.
UM, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO PUT LIKE A LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW, CALL OUT BOX OR SOMETHING.
AGAIN, I'M THINKING ABOUT FORMATTING AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET THIS FAR DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE TO THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT FORMATTING CHOICES.
BUT, UM, BUT TO, FOR GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY, I DON'T TO DEFINE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LIKE TWO IN THE WEEDS OR LIKE, YOU COULD EVEN DO LIKE A LITTLE GRAPHIC OR SOMETHING.
BUT I, I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GONNA BE START, START TALKING ABOUT THAT HERE, THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLACE, YOU KNOW, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S LIKE OUR TOTAL WATER USE AND THEN THE POPULATION.
ANY OTHER, I MEAN, I JUST WAS MONOPOLIZING THAT.
UH, JUST MY QUESTION WAS, UM, I NOTE ON THE UTILITY SIDE, WATER LOSS UTILITY SIDE, WATER LOSS CONTROL, PAGE 34, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, THEY HAVE THE SENTENCE WITH IMPLEMENTATION IN GPCD, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HAD ASKED FOR WHEN WE WENT OVER THAT REPORT.
UM, AND I WAS WONDERING, IS THIS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT KIND OF ALIGNMENT OR ARE WE ALSO GETTING, AND MAYBE IT'S IN HERE AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, LIKE ANOTHER VERSION OF THE REPORT WHERE IT HAS THOSE SUMMARY THINGS UP, ALL THOSE SUMMARY NUMBERS, BUT IN ANOTHER VERSION OF THE WATER LOSS REPORT? WELL, OR LIKE AN UPDATE WITH THE, WHERE ALL THE NUMBERS SORT OF ALIGN WITH THE WAY THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND THE WATER FORWARD PLAN DO IT.
SO WE DID PROVIDE A, A TABLE THAT, UM, SHOWS YOU SIDE BY SIDE WHAT WAS IN THE WATER LOSS REPORT AND THEN HOW THAT RELATES TO G WHAT THAT MEANS IN GPCD.
UM, SO THAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU TO REVIEW, UM, THE WATER LOSS REPORT ITSELF.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A REPORT THAT WE COMMISSIONED FOR OUR WATER LOSS ACTIVITIES.
THAT'S MOVING FORWARD ON ITS OWN TIMESCALE.
THROUGH THAT TABLE, HOW THAT RELATES TO THIS WORK.
AND CAN SOMEBODY JUST, IT WAS SENT AN EMAIL AND IT'S ALSO POSTED ON THE, UM, BOARD, IT'S AT THE END ONE THE LAST, BUT THERE'S 18 BACKUP ITEMS. SO CAN YOU TELL ME THE TITLE OF THE DOCUMENT? MAYBE
YEAH, IT'S AT THE END OF THE, IS IT B AND V WATER LOSS STRATEGY UNIT CONVERSION? YES.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THIS TABLE, LEMME SEE IF I'M, IF I'M CONNECTING ALL THESE DOTS OR PIECES OF PAPER CORRECTLY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS TABLE, FY 23, THE TOTAL SAVINGS, UM, GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY IS, OH, I LOST 3.8.
AM I DOING THAT RIGHT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2030? YES.
WHAT DID YOU FIND? IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE LAST PAGE HERE.
SO REAL LOSS STRATEGIES PROJECTED.
SO THESE ARE THE STRATEGIES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IN THE BLACK AND VEATCH WATER LOSS REPORT.
ALL THE STRATEGIES AND ALL THE PROJECTED SAVINGS.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, AUSTIN WATER PLANS TO IMPLEMENT ALL THESE STRATEGIES AND INVEST ALL THE DOLLARS TO DO SO AND, UM, FEELS GOOD ABOUT THE REPORT AND ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
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THIS, THE, THE BLACK AND VEATCH REPORT PREDICTS THAT WE WILL SEE 3.8 GPCD SAVINGS BY 2030 IF EVERYTHING GOES AS THEY PROJECT.AND ALL EVERYTHING GETS IMPLEMENTED ON THAT TIMELINE YET IN, ON PAGE 34 OF THE WATER FORWARD PLAN.
UM, AND THIS SENTENCE, IT SAYS, IMPLEMENTATION OF WATER LOSS CONTROL ACTIONS IS EXPECTED TO RESULT IN A SAVINGS OF 1.92 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY BY 2030.
SO WE'VE GOT THIS MISMATCH OF 3.8 AND 1.92.
AND I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, YOU CAN TELL ME IF I GOT THIS RIGHT OR NOT.
SO, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS DURING THE MEETING OR YOU AND I CHATTED AFTER THE MEETING TOO.
IT WAS DURING THE MEETING TOO.
UM, THAT, THAT WHILE, WHILE AUSTIN WATER IS GOING TO DO, MAKE ALL THE INVESTMENTS THEY NEED TO AND DO ALL THE THINGS IN THIS, THAT, THAT, THAT AUSTIN WATER ALSO FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING LOTS OF INVESTMENT AND DOING ALL THE THINGS.
AND THE SAVINGS OR THE REDUCTION OF WATER LOSS IS, IS NOT LIKE, LIKE YOUR, THE OUTCOMES AND THE ACTIONS AREN'T LINING UP WITH WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT.
SO YOU DO NOT WANT TO, UM, OVER PROJECT WHAT KIND OF SAVINGS YOU MIGHT SEE FROM IMPLEMENTING THESE STRATEGIES IN THE WATER FORWARD PLANT, BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD GET US UPSIDE DOWN.
SO IT'S BETTER TO, SO Y'ALL ARE COMMITTED TO DOING ALL THE THINGS IN THE BLACK INVI REPORT YET, YET YOU DON'T WANNA OVER PROMISE AND WATER FORWARD BECAUSE YOU ARE PLANNING FOR WATER SUPPLY FOR A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE AND WATER.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, OVERSHOOT THAT IS THAT YOU CAPTURED IT PERFECTLY.
AND, AND I, I ALSO WANNA, UM, COMMIT AS I HAVE BEFORE, UM, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY WILL WE BE DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WATER LOSS REPORT, BUT WE WILL BE REPORTING BACK ON A REGULAR BASIS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND TO SEE WHAT KIND OF, UH, WATER LOSS REDUCTION WE ARE ACHIEVING BY, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING THIS PLAN WITH FIDELITY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL WE WILL SEE THAT, UM, THAT GREAT LEVEL OF WATER LOSS REDUCTION BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING THIS PLAN WITH FIDELITY AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO UPDATE OUR GOALS.
SO ONE SECOND, I'LL PASS IT OVER TO YOU.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS MAY BE LIKE A SPEED BUMP FOR FOLKS THAT, THAT WHAT'S IN THIS REPORT AND WHAT'S IN THE WATER, WHAT'S IN THE BLACK AND VEATCH REPORT, THE RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES AND THEIR PROJECTED SAVINGS AND WHAT'S IN THE WATER FORWARD REPORT NOT MATCHING EXACTLY.
I, I, UM, PERSONALLY, I, YOU KNOW, I I WANT US TO BE AS BOLD AS WE CAN.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, I'M, I'M BEING UNDERSTANDING THE SITUATION.
I FEEL THAT DIRECTOR OLSON'S, YOU KNOW, COMMITMENT TO THIS, UM, AND TO IMPLEMENTING THESE, I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT MANY TIMES PUBLICLY HERE AND YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT AUSTIN IS A COMMUNITY THAT, UH, WE, WE CAN'T, WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO REALLY BE LOSING THIS AMOUNT OF WATER.
SO IT'S, I WOULD PRESUME AN ALL HANDS ON DECK SITUATION TO TRY TO, TO GET AHEAD OF THIS, WHICH WOULD, WILL BE A, A THING THAT WE'RE ALWAYS DEALING WITH.
YOU DON'T FIX IT AND IT GOES AWAY.
SO I JUST WANNA, BUT THANK YOU.
'CAUSE LIKE SEEING THOSE, THOSE, UM, TWO REPORTS AND HOW THEY LINE UP AND STUFF IS IMPORTANT AND FOR US TO ALL KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
UM, ON THE TABLE SUMMARY, IT TALKS ABOUT PROACTIVE LEAK DETECTION AND ALSO PILOT PROGRAM WITH INNOVATIVE LEAK DETECTION.
WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE AND HOW IS THAT EVEN CALCULATED ON THE WATER LOSS SIDE? WOULDN'T THEY KIND OF BE OVERLAPPING IN? SO, UM, THINGS I THINK, AND I, I WELCOME INPUT FROM OTHERS, BUT I THINK THE, MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS THAT WE HAVE, UM, PROACTIVE LEAK DETECTION WHERE WE USE, UM, INDUSTRY STANDARD TECHNOLOGIES FOR, UH, FOR SCANNING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR LEAKS.
AND THOSE PRACTICES DIFFER DEPENDING ON WHETHER WE MIGHT BE, UH, LISTENING AT VALVES OR FIRE HYDRANTS.
UH, WE MIGHT BE RUNNING, UH, A DETECTION TOOL THROUGH OUR LARGER PIPELINES.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DETECTION TOOLS THAT WE USE.
AND THAT'S, UM, AND SO THOSE ARE PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US.
BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF NEW TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE.
THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT ARE, UM, THAT COME TO US ON THE REGULAR BASIS
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WITH, UH, WITH INNOVATIVE WAYS TO LOOK FOR WATER LOSS.AND SO WE'VE PILOTED A FEW OF THOSE.
UM, WE PARTICIPATE IN A, IN A COLLABORATION OF WATER UTILITIES THAT VETS INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES OF ALL KINDS.
UM, AND LEAK DETECTION IS ONE OF THOSE.
AND SO WE'RE TALKING TO OUR PEERS WHO ARE TRYING SOME OF THESE OTHER INNOVATIVE TOOLS.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT WHAT THAT REALLY IS IN THIS TABLE IS A REFLECTION OF THE FACT THAT, UM, THAT THAT WATER LOSS IS A, UM, UH, A BURGEONING, UM, AREA OF STUDY AND IMPLEMENTATION.
AND SO WE WANNA BE, WE WANNA CONTINUE TO, TO BE A PART OF THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE, UM, FROM FOLKS? OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE, I GUESS.
WELL, ARE WE LEAVING THE WATER FORWARD 24 PLAN REPORT? NO, NO.
NEXT IS PLAN IMPLEMENTATION ON PAGE 54.
YEAH, JUST CITING THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER PLACE WHERE WE BROKE OUT THE IPR AND CAPTURE LOCAL INFO TO LADY BIRDLIKE STRATEGIES WITHIN THAT 100 YEAR ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT PORTFOLIOS TABLE.
THROUGHOUT THE PLAN, THERE WERE ALSO UPDATES TO APPENDIX REFERENCES, SOME APPENDIX APPENDICES CHANGED, UH, LETTER NAMES.
AND WE ALSO TRIED TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL APPENDIX REFERENCES, REFERENCES, REFERENCES, UM,
AND THEN IN THE COLORADO RIVER LAND ANALYSIS SECTIONS, THERE ARE TWO, UM, SECTIONS RELATED TO THE COLORADO RIVER LAND ANALYSIS.
WE PULLED OUT CONTENT TO, UM, AND PUT THAT INTO AN APPENDIX RELATED TO THE COLORADO RIVER LAND ANALYSIS.
AND THIS IS BASED ON SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, THAT, THAT THOSE SECTIONS HAD GOTTEN QUITE LONG WITHIN THE PLAN REPORT AND THAT IT MIGHT BE, WE WANTED TO MAKE THOSE SECTIONS MORE COMPARABLE TO OTHER SECTIONS AND, UM, AND MOVE SOME OF THAT CONTENT.
SO THE FIRST SECTION THAT WAS EDITED, UH, WAS, BEGINS ON PAGE 30 AND ENDS ON PAGE 32 OF THE PLAN REPORT.
THE KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS INCLUDES ALL OF THE RED LINES FOR THE CONTENT THAT WAS TAKEN OUT.
SO THIS SECTION WILL SHRINK UP NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT A CLEAN COPY VERSION.
AND THEN THE SECOND SECTION THAT WAS EDITED BEGINS ON PAGE 49 AND ENDS ON PAGE 51.
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONTENT THAT WAS PULLED OUT OF THAT SECTION AND PUT INTO, UM, AN APPENDIX.
SO ALL OF THAT CONTENT THAT YOU SEE THAT WAS STRUCK, IT WAS, UM, MOVED TO APPENDIX H.
SO, UM, SO WE DIDN'T GET RID OF ANY OF THAT TEXT, WE JUST, UM, TRIED TO KEEP IT HIGHER LEVEL IN THE DOCUMENT.
A A LOT OF IT WAS KIND OF JUST MOVED STRAIGHT AWAY TO, UM, APPENDIX H BUT THERE WAS SOME REORDERING THAT HAD TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THE DOCUMENT COHERENT.
SARAH, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? YEAH.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT DID YOU NOT ONLY MOVE SOME OF WHAT WAS IN THE DOCUMENT TO APPENDIX H BUT LIKE EXPAND UPON THE YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY IN THE PLAN THAT WE NOW HAVE TO REVIEW.
THERE'S 'CAUSE IT ADDITIONAL CONTENT IN RESPONSE TO SOME STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK THAT WANTED SOME FURTHER EXPLANATION ON HOW THAT ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED.
YEAH, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER TO JUST TAKE, 'CAUSE IT WAS A LOT IN THE PLAN.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER TO JUST PUT WHAT WAS THERE IN THE APPENDIX AND NOT ADD A BUNCH OF MORE STUFF.
'CAUSE NOW THIS IS LIKE WAY MORE COMPLEX AND I'M NOT SURE IT REALLY ALLEVIATES THE COMMENT THAT THIS WAS LIKE A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THIS.
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HAD A SUGGESTION THAT WAS A PRETTY SIMPLE WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I THINK WAS ACCEPTABLE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I WAS GONNA PROPOSE IT TO THE TASK FORCE, BUT NOW THERE'S LIKE THIS WHOLE OTHER THING TO GO THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT.SO WE'LL LOOK AT IT, BUT I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS LIKE SUCKING UP SO MUCH ENERGY AND SPACE.
I GUESS IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT ALL HAD TO BE IN HERE.
SO THANKS FOR EXPLAINING THAT THIS IS ADDITIONAL TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE PLAN.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? OKAY.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLANS AND THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, DO FOLKS HAVE GENERAL, I THINK A COUPLE OF STEPS, WELL ACTUALLY JENNIFER, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES.
ON THIS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM LIKE, OTHER TASK FORCE MEMBERS DOES IT IS JUST LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK.
LIKE IS ANYBODY OKAY WITH JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN, BUT PUTTING IT IN APPENDIX OR LIKE DO PEOPLE LIKE THE PER PERSONALLY I LIKE THE, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IT GIVES IN THE APPENDIX, GOING OVER ALL THE DIFFERENT MAPS AND HAVING THE COUNTIES AND IT GIVES A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, I THINK, UNDERSTANDING OF THE KIND OF PROCESS THEY WENT THROUGH IN CHOOSING.
AND I FEEL LIKE WITH THE, THE PREVIOUS ONE, IT, IT DIDN'T REALLY ALLOW ME TO KIND OF GET THERE AS EASILY.
I THINK THIS KIND OF SEEMS LIKE MORE INFO, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY JUST MORE BROKEN OUT AND IT, THIS SEEMS MORE CLEAR TO ME FROM MY PERUSING.
I'M FLIPPING THROUGH IT, UM, FOR THE SECOND TIME HERE AND IT REFLECTS, UM, I MEAN I'VE SEEN THE COLORADO RIVER LAND ANALYSIS PRESENTATION LIKE THREE OR FOUR TIMES NOW.
AND IF YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING, FEEL FREE TO COME UP HERE IF YOU WANNA, UM, OKAY.
I WAS REALLY JUST WANTING THE TASK FORCE FEEDBACK.
ON, YOU KNOW, CONTENT THAT'S, I DON'T WANNA DERAIL US ON A LONG THING.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO READING THE SECTION ON IT WITHOUT ALL THE RED LINES.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN A DOCUMENT SOMETIMES GETS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, I CAN'T ACTUALLY READ THIS ANYMORE.
BUT, UM, SO, BUT I'LL GO IN AND, AND UH, WORK ON IT AND READ IT.
'CAUSE IT WAS, IT DID HAVE KIND OF LIKE AN OUTSIZED, UM, PRESENCE IN THE, THE SHORTER PLAN COMPARED TO THE OTHER STRATEGIES.
BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE NICE LIKE WHEN WE GET THE EXPLANATION TO LIKE, SPECIFY THIS IS ADDITIONAL MATERIAL YOU'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, WE MOVED SOME TO THE APPENDIX, LIKE, AND ADDED A BUNCH OF STUFF SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT.
DO YOU THINK THAT PAUL HAD A COMMENT? YEAH, PAUL HAD A COMMENT.
SO THIS IS YOUR CHANCE IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THE WATER FORWARD PLAN RIGHT NOW.
UM, THINGS THAT, THAT WEREN'T ADDRESSED THERE IN THE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF EDITS AND RED LINES, BUT IF WE HAVE THINGS WE WANNA DISCUSS RIGHT NOW, UM, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HIT THE OTHER PLANS AS WELL.
BUT PAUL, I KNOW YOU WERE, YOU HAD ONE IN IN THE QUEUE.
UM, THIS IS A RED LINE EDIT THAT IS ON PAGE 48 OF THE WATER FORWARD 24 DRAFT PLAN REPORT.
SO FOR A LONG TIME, I MEAN, WHEN WE FIRST GOT THIS, THE FIRST DRAFT PLAN REPORT, THIS BULLET SAID WHAT IS NOW CROSSED OUT, WHICH IS COMPLETE AND ONGOING EVALUATION OF THE SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST PROCESS AND RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROCESS, WHICH I WAS SORT OF UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEANT.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ACTUALLY GET CLARIFICATION ON IT FOR A FEW WEEKS NOW.
LIKE WHAT THE ONGOING EVALUATION WAS.
I, WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE RESULT OF THE MANY DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IN THIS TASK FORCE AND HOW TO IMPROVE THAT PROCESS AND MAKE IT MORE EQUITABLE IN, IN OTHER WORDS, TO INCLUDE PUBLIC OVERSIGHT OF THE MAJOR SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS THAT ARE IN THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE, AS WELL AS THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE.
SO I WROTE LIKE A WHOLE NOVEL ON THAT SUGGESTION BACK IN THE SUMMER.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF US AGREED IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
SO WHERE I THOUGHT IT WAS SHOWING UP AND THIS PLAN WAS RIGHT HERE AT THIS BULLET POINT, I THOUGHT THIS MEANT YOU WERE GONNA STUDY IT AND THEN CONSIDER IT AS A POTENTIAL BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE
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BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A POLICY CHANGE THAN A STRATEGY MAYBE.SO I'VE BEEN WORKING UNDER THAT ASSUMPTION NOW FOR MONTHS WITH NO CLARIFICATION FROM Y'ALL.
AND THEN NOW I SEE THIS EDIT A WEEK BEFORE WE'RE EXPECTED TO RECOMMEND THIS, WHICH CLARIFIES THAT THIS IS REFERENCING AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE ONGOING EVALUATION, UM, THAT CAME UP BECAUSE OF A DIFFERENT IDEA THAT SOMEBODY HAD LAST SUMMER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF MY IDEA.
YOUR EVALUATION CONFIRMED IT WAS A BAD IDEA, BUT THIS IS A MEMO FROM OCTOBER 1ST TO COUNCIL THAT I HAD TO DIG UP THAT WASN'T IN ANY OF OUR MATERIALS, BUT IT'S REFERENCED HERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT TOTALLY MISSES THE POINT OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITHIN THIS TASK FORCE.
UM, SO I, I'M, YEAH, I WAS SURPRISED YESTERDAY TO, TO READ THAT.
I, UH, MY REACTION WAS SOMETHING THAT I WILL NOT REPEAT ON THIS CALL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, THIS IS THE RESULT AND WHY WE'RE JUST NOW SEEING THAT THIS IS THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR A WHILE AGO.
UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I MAINTAIN THAT THE SER PROCESS AS IT IS CONTAINS A LOOPHOLE THAT WE NEED TO CLOSE.
AND I REALLY WANNA SEE THAT AT, AT LEAST ADDED TO THIS BULLET POINT, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE ROBUST AND MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THE COUNCIL THAT THIS IS A CHANGE THAT THE UTILITY WANTS TO MAKE THAT TASK FORCE SUPPORTS AND THAT WE SHOULD DO.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, UM, ON THIS AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ANY RESPONSE FROM AUSTIN WATER ON IT.
SO PAUL, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT CONFUSION.
I THINK IN MAKING EDITS TO THIS DOCUMENT, WE HAVE KIND OF MADE THE, IN INTERPRETING THE BULLET, THERE WAS A, A POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THIS RECENT REVIEW THAT WAS PERFORMED OF THE SER PROCESS.
UM, AND THIS IS LIKE CLARIFYING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE ONGOING EVALUATION WAS RELATED TO THAT, UM, SERVICE EXTENSION PROCESS REVIEW.
BUT I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT IS SEPARATE FROM WHAT I THINK THE INTENT OF YOUR COMMENT WAS.
BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD THOUGH AND IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD ON, UM, THE ITEM THAT YOU WERE BRINGING UP.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHERS MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL, BUT I THINK THAT THE, UH, OUR, OUR CON OUR KIND OF MAIN CONSIDERATION HERE THAT WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS THAT THE UTILITY HAS CERTAIN PURVIEW WITHIN THE SER PROCESS THAT IS POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT FROM A PURVIEW THAT WOULD GUIDE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS.
AND THAT, UM, IT MAY BE KIND OF IN THE BROADER CITY STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, UH, THAT THOSE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS ARE MORE OUTSIDE OF, UH, AUSTIN WATERS AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY.
I THINK I'M JUST GONNA STATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THAT ITEM, BUT OTHERS MAY WANT TO KIND OF STEP IN AND CLEAN UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT AS LIKE AN INITIAL THOUGHT.
I THINK THOUGH, LIKE THIS IS THE PLACE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.
UM, CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEMO IS.
MAYBE I MISSED IT IN ALL THE PAPERWORK WE HAVE OR WHAT THE LOOPHOLE IS IN THE CR PROCESS.
SO I'M A LITTLE, I FEEL LIKE I'M A LITTLE BIT BEHIND AND, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER PAUL BRINGING THIS UP OVER THE SUMMER ESPECIALLY, I THINK IT WAS THIS SUMMER.
UM, BUT, UH, SO I'M JUST, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
I I'LL SAY THAT WE, WE'VE FLAGGED THIS AS AN ITEM THAT WE NEED TO LAND.
UM, AND, AND SO PAUL, I'M SORRY THAT, UM, YOU SAW IT YESTERDAY AND THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO CLOSE IT OUT IN A WAY THAT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOUR COMMENT WAS.
UM, AND BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON HERE.
ONE IS WE WERE, UM, DIRECTED BY, UH, CITY COUNCIL TO GO LOOK AT THE SER PROCESS IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE.
AND SO, UH, WE DID THAT AND THAT MEMO WAS ISSUED AND WE, UM, UH, WE, WE WILL GET IT TO YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
BUT, UM, THEN I RECOGNIZE AND WE HAD FLAGGED FOR INTERNAL DISCUSSION THAT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN MORE OF THE OVERALL SER PROCESS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU TALK MORE, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT QUITE A BIT AND I'VE, I'VE LISTENED TO ALL OF THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, AND SO I'M, I'M APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING YOU SAY, UH, REHASH SOME OF IT AGAIN.
BUT, UM, COULD YOU SAY SOMETHING HERE ABOUT
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THE LOOPHOLE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OH YEAH, CERTAINLY.AND THERE'S COMMENTS IN THE, IN THE RECORD ON IT AS WELL.
THERE'S A COUPLE PAGES IN OUR LIKE, INITIAL FEEDBACK ON THE WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES AND SUGGESTIONS.
UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN, IN HAVING THIS INEQUITY BETWEEN THE WAY THAT WE REVIEW SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS IN THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE VERSUS THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT.
THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE, UM, THEY RECEIVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC OVERSIGHT.
THE SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS GO THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THE WATER AND WASTEWATER COMMISSION AND
WHEREAS IF YOU SUBMIT AN A SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST AND YOU'RE IN THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE OUTSIDE THE CITY'S FULL PURPOSE JURISDICTION, YOU HAVE NO PUBLIC OVERSIGHT WHATSOEVER.
AND IT JUST GOES TO AUSTIN WATER FOR APPROVAL.
AND THAT'S THE GREATEST EXAMPLE OF THAT HAPPENING IS HOW TESLA WAS ABLE TO GET CONNECTED TO THE CITY'S WATER BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THAT LOCATION.
SO THEY FIT RIGHT INTO THE LOOPHOLE, LUCKILY FOR THEM.
AND THERE WAS NO PUBLIC, UM, INPUT WHATSOEVER ON THEIR ACCESS TO THE CITY'S WATER.
AND THAT WAS IN 20 20, 20 21, A COUPLE YEARS LATER, THEY'RE THE FIFTH LARGEST USER OF WATER IN OUR CITY.
SO TO AVOID REPEATING THAT SAME MISTAKE AGAIN AS WE GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS OF LIKE CHIPPING AWAY AT THE EDGES OF TRYING TO CONSERVE AS MUCH WATER AS WE POSSIBLY CAN GOING FORWARD, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY REMOVING A PLANNING TOOL FROM OUR TOOLBOX AND, UM, ALLOWING MAJOR INDUSTRIAL USERS OF WATER TO COME IN AND JUST HAVE, UH, A SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH ANY PROCESS OF PUBLIC OVERSIGHT.
UM, SO THAT'S THE LOOPHOLE THAT I'M VERY INTERESTED IN CLOSING
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, IT, TO SOME EXTENT, IT FEELS LIKE IT FALLS OUTSIDE THE UTILITIES PURVIEW BECAUSE IT'S GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS ARE OUTSIDE OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF ACTUALLY MY POINT IS THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THE SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS NEED TO GO THROUGH THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROCESS AND THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THOSE ARE BIG DECISIONS.
THEY'RE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS.
THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF DEMOCRATIC ELEMENT TO THEM AND NOT JUST BE MADE AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, UM, WHICH IS THE CURRENT PROCESS.
SO I ACTUALLY THINK IT SOLVES YOUR ISSUE, UM, BY CLOSING THE LOOPHOLE, BUT, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S SOME HESITANCY AROUND IT.
BUT ALL, ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS LIKE SOME STATEMENT THAT YOU AGREE IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT WE SHOULD REFORM THIS PROCESS IN THIS WAY AND THAT, AND WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE AFTER THAT, WE CAN DO IT.
BUT IT'S A POLICY CHANGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE RECOMMENDED WITHIN THE WATER 4 24 PLAN REPORT.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
UM, AND SO WHEN WE HAVE AN SCR IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE, UM, WHAT AUSTIN WATER DOES IS THE SAME AS NO MATTER WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN A SCR IS IN ANOTHER PART OF OUR SERVICE AREA, IT IS A ESSENTIALLY A SERVICE PLAN.
AND SO WHAT WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THIS PROPERTY BASED ON THE NEEDS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS OR DEVELOPER HAS IDENTIFIED.
UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR ABILITY TO INFLUENCE WATER USE, UH, AND WASTEWATER PRODUCTION IS, IS IN OUR POLICIES RELATED TO ONSITE WATER REUSE, UH, CONNECTION TO THE CENTRALIZED RECLAIM SYSTEM CONSERVATION MEASURES, UH, AND AND SO ON.
AND SO THOSE ARE OUR TOOLS THAT WE USE TO INFLUENCE WATER USE.
OUR SERVICE AREA IS, IS DEFINED BY BOTH OUR IMPACT FEE AREA, WHICH IS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AND OUR CERTIFICATES OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY.
SO IN MOST OF THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE, WE HOLD CERTIFICATES OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY THAT ARE ADMINISTERED BY THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION, AND THEY ARE BOTH THE RIGHT AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SERVE IN THE, IN THAT AREA.
AND SO WE HAVE LIMITED ABILITY TO, UM, TO REFUSE SERVICE, UM, REALLY, REALLY DON'T HAVE ABILITY TO REFUSE SERVICE.
WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE THE WAY THEY USE THEIR WATER THROUGH OUR POLICIES.
AND WE HAVE, UM, UH, PO YOU KNOW, OUR POLICIES ARE IN PLACE.
THE SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST BEING A, UM, A SERVICE PLAN TELLS THE DEVELOPER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER WHAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD TO CONNECT TO OUR SYSTEM BECAUSE WE GENERALLY DON'T TAKE DEVELOPMENT RISK, WE DON'T BUILD IT TO THEM, THEY BUILD IT AND THEN WE MAY COST PARTICIPATE IN IT.
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I THINK MAYBE THERE'S STILL, I THINK THAT, AND I KNOW PAUL, WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE AND SO I KNOW YOU ARE AWARE OF, OF THESE CHALLENGES, UM, AND WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE WITH THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE, UH, SORRY, THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE SCR POLICY IS THEY HAVE SAID THEY WANNA HAVE CITY COUNCIL OVERSIGHT OF SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS THAT ARE IN THE ETJ, THAT ARE IN THE DESIRED OR IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE, AND THAT THOSE HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL.AND, AND SO IT'S A PRETTY SMALL NUMBER OF OUR OVERALL SCRS.
UM, SO I DO THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE TO UNPACK THAN JUST THE IDEA THAT, THAT THERE'S A, A LOOPHOLE THAT'S BEING EXPLOITED IN THE DESIRE DEVELOPMENT ZONE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT INFLUENCE THESE SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS.
BUT WHAT I, AND SO THAT'S A LOT OF TALKING TO GET AROUND TO WHAT YOUR ASK IS, WHICH IS A BULLET ON THIS LIST THAT SAYS WE WILL LOOK AT IT AND WE CAN, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN COMMIT TO THAT.
WE CAN PUT THAT IN HERE, THAT WE WILL EVALUATE IT AND PREPARE A RECOMMENDATION.
I'M NOT PREPARED AT THIS TIME TO SAY D SCRS IN THE DESIRE DEVELOPMENT ZONE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME AS SCRS IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS I JUST SAID.
BUT I DO THINK THAT SOME CLARIFICATION AROUND WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS OF THAT SYSTEM IS COULD, UH, COULD FURTHER, UM, THIS DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAVE VERY, UM, WELL EXPLAINED TO US THAT COULD THEN RAISE THAT FURTHER TO OUR POLICYMAKERS, PAUL.
YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO WE, WE OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU SAID, HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVICE, BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THEM ALL THE SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GET DENIED.
THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, I KNOW WITH SE IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE.
SO PAUL, YOU, IF I MAY, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE PROCESS IN PLACE, I'M SORRY TO JUMP IN, BUT YOU BROKE UP THERE A LITTLE BIT.
YOU WERE SAYING THAT ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF, OH, TAKING SCRS TO COUNCIL IS THAT SOMETIMES THEY WITHDRAW YEAH.
BECAUSE THEY EXPECT THEY'RE GOING TO GET DENIED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER COMMISSION, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL.
SO, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF QUOTE UNQUOTE REFUSING SERVICE.
I MEAN, YOU ALL AS THE UTILITY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BUT THE POLICY MAKERS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, DO MM-HMM.
AND, UM, EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL NUMBER SCRS IN THE LONG RUN, WHETHER THOSE SCRS ARE COMING FROM THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE OR THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT ZONE, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL NUMBER DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T HAVE LIKE A REALLY BIG IMPACT.
JUST LIKE I MENTIONED WITH THE TESLA EXAMPLE, IT'S 330 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE CAN'T AFFORD TO JUST GIVE AWAY BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, LIKE YOU LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS, WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IN PRODUCING GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY, EVERYTHING WE HAVE ON THE CONSERVATION SIDE CAN BE WIPED OUT BY A NEW, YOU KNOW, FACTORY IN THE, IN EAST AUSTIN THAT WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROCESS AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BEFORE ANY OF THE COMMISSIONS OR COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THIS MATTERS, I THINK IS BECAUSE IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CONTRADICT THE OTHER WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS TASK FORCE.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S RELEVANT FOR THIS PLAN AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED.
UM, SO YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU, UM, COMMITTING TO AT LEAST LOOKING AT IT FURTHER IN THE PLAN.
SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THE, THIS ONE THAT'S BEEN MODIFIED TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS? UM, THAT, THAT ONE AND THEN ADD AN ADDITIONAL, UM, BULLET POINT THAT SAYS EVALUATE AND PREPARE RECOMMENDATIONS, ET CETERA, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FILL IN THE REST OF THAT SENTENCE, BUT PAUL AND, AND, UH, SHAY DO UNDERSTAND THAT I'LL WORK WITH YOU MOST LIKELY PAUL TO, TO DRAFT THAT.
AND I SEE SARAH HAS HER HAND UP.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO REPEAT THE, UM, REQUEST FROM JENNIFER.
CAN WE JUST GET A COPY OF THE MEMO ALSO? MM-HMM?
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU GUYS COULD SEND IT.
MM-HMM,
NOT HAVE TO DIG IT UP THEMSELVES.
I, I MEAN, FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO INCLUDE THE MEMO, I THINK SEND THE MEMO TO THE TASK SOURCE, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THE MEMO IS SORT OF IRRELEVANT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE WATER FORWARD 24 PLAN REPORT.
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IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT ALL THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IT FEELS JUST LIKE A RED HERRING TO ME, BUT YEAH.IF YOU WANNA, WELL, I MIGHT WANT, I MIGHT SUGGEST THEY TAKE THIS WHOLE THING OUT IS WHY I WANNA READ IT.
OH, LIKE WE MIGHT, BASED ON THE MEMO, RECOMMEND THAT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED AS A CALL.
WE COULD STRIKE THIS BULLET AND REPLACE IT BECAUSE THIS BULLET REALLY DID MORPH FROM WHAT PAUL WAS INTENDING FOR US TO COVER INTO WHAT WE HAD DONE RELATED TO SCRS.
UM, AND SO PERHAPS THE ANSWER IS WE STRIKE THIS BULLET AND WE WRITE A BULLET ON, ON THAT BETTER REFLECTS WHAT, WHAT PAUL HAS ASKED FOR.
UM, I I WANNA SAY TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF TOUCH POINTS WHEN NEW, UH, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS ARE COMING INTO THE CITY.
THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN JUST THEY SUBMIT AN SER YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, OF, OF POLICY WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT THAT IS THE PURVIEW OF OTHER, UM, OF OUR POLICY MAKERS, UH, AT CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OUR PART OF IT IS, UM, IS IMPORTANT, UH, BUT WE'RE NOT THE T TYPICALLY THE DRIVER OF THOSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS.
UM, DOES THAT, DOES THAT SOUND GOOD PAUL? AND THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING THROUGH THIS IN REAL TIME.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THE STRATEGY IS TO, TO TAKE THIS PARTICULAR BULLET THAT'S BEEN MODIFIED OUT AND REPLACE IT WITH WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED AND THAT SHAY AND MARI AND PAUL WILL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT LANGUAGE AND WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE IT IN THE NEXT AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE TOO LONG.
I THINK ROBERT MIGHT HAVE HAD A HISTORY OF THAT AS WELL, BUT YEAH.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT, AND THIS ISN'T ARGUING FOR OR AGAINST WHAT, WHAT PAUL'S SAYING, BUT WATER CONSERVATION IS A SOURCE OF WATER SUPPLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CONSERVING IT TO JUST KEEP IT SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSERVING IT 'CAUSE IT BASICALLY EXPANDS THE EXISTING RESOURCES WE HAVE.
SO I JUST WOULD SUGGEST BEING CAREFUL ABOUT, UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE, BUT JUST, JUST RECOGNIZE THAT WATER CONSERVATION IS A SOURCE OF WATER IN THE PLAN.
UM, I SO, OOPS,
WE, THERE'S A CLOCK UP HERE WITH SECONDS ON IT, SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT, BUT, UM, SO TESLA WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A LOT OF WATER ON A MONTHLY ANNUAL BASIS.
UM, THAT IS IN OUR, YOU MENTIONED OUR CCN AREA AND OUR ETJ TOO.
WELL THEY, THEY HAVE NOW RELEASED FROM ETJ.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A HUGE, LIKE FIFTH LARGEST WATER USER, UM, THEN PETITIONS TO LEAVE OUR ETJ, WE'RE STILL SERVING ON WATER.
UM, AND DO YOU ALL FORESEE THAT AS, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THIS IS IN A, A EVOLVING SITUATION, GIFTED TO US BY THEIR LAST LEGISLATURE, BUT, UM, BUT, AND, AND IS IMPACTING MANY, MANY CITIES.
UH, SO IS THERE EVOLVE IS THERE THINKING, EVOLVING ALONG THOSE LINES ABOUT, ABOUT SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS AND AREAS WHERE FOLKS MAY THEN HAVE OUR WONDERFUL SERVICE EXTENDED OUT TO THEM.
AND THEN, AND THEN PIECE OUT OF OUR ETJ.
SO BOTH AUSTIN ENERGY AND AUSTIN WATER HAVE SERVICE AREAS THAT ARE DEFINED.
AND OUR, UM, OUR SERVICE AREA IS OUR IMPACT FEE BOUNDARY, WHICH IS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
AND THAT IS REGARDLESS OF ETJ STATUS.
UM, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE OUR, OUR CCNS.
SO WHEN, IF SOMEONE OPTS OUT OF OUR ETJ, BUT THEY'RE INSIDE OUR CCN, THEY ARE STILL IN OUR SERVICE AREA.
UM, AND ACTUALLY IF THEY OPT OUT OF THE CITY'S ETJ, BUT THEY'RE INSIDE OUR PIC FEE BOUNDARY, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE A CCN, THEY ARE STILL IN OUR SERVICE AREA.
SO THEY'LL CONTINUE TO BE RETAIL CUSTOMERS OF AUSTIN WATER.
WELL WE CAN DIG DEEPER INTO WHAT THAT'S, THAT'S CREATING A WHOLE SET OF ISSUES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
OTHER COMMENTS ON THE WATER FLOOR PLAN? THANK YOU PAUL, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET TO A GOOD CONCLUSION ON THAT.
ANY OTHER MADELINE? UM, BACK ONTO PAGE 46.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT MAP AND THEN I LOOKED UP THE ULRICH AND THE SOUTH REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
AND THE MAP'S KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME.
LIKE WHEN LOOKING AT AN ACTUAL MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ULRICH IS BEFORE THE SOUTH AUSTIN REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
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LIKE, ON A PHYSICAL MAP.AND SO LIKE, SO WHAT, WHAT THIS GRAPHIC IS INTENDED TO SHOW IS THE ULRICH IS ACTUALLY ON LAKE AUSTIN, WHICH DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THIS GRAPHIC, BUT IS YES.
AND THEN SOUTH AUSTIN REGIONAL IS, IS DOWNSTREAM OF LADY BIRD LAKE, UM, ON AND DISCHARGES UNDER THE COLORADO RIVER.
AND SO THIS DOESN'T REALLY SHOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE LONG PIPELINE IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO LADY BIRD LAKE.
UM, IT'S JUST INTENDED TO BE A, A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION THAT THE, THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE WATER IS FLOWING, UH, FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GRAPHIC TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE GRAPHIC.
AND THEN, BUT WE ARE SENDING WATER BACK THE OTHER WAY.
UM, I THINK THAT, OH, HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.
WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT GRAPHIC THAT Y'ALL HAVE DEVELOPED AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THIS STYLE YEAH.
OF GRAPHIC WITH THE LONGHORN AND BLUE BONNETS ON IT, UM, ON EACH OF THESE.
BUT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD GRAPHIC.
UM, THERE'S, Y'ALL HAVE SHOWED IT TO US IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS AND IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE THIS ONE ON PAGE NINE, UHHUH.
BUT, BUT I MIGHT SUGGEST EITHER KIND OF, IF, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CREATE, KEEP THE SAME STYLE, BUT, BUT FOLLOW THAT.
BUT THERE'S A MUCH BETTER GRAPHIC THAT ILLUSTRATES THIS SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED WATER SUPPLY STRATEGY.
'CAUSE WHAT WE WANNA DO IS HAVE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT BY LOOKING AT THE PICTURE.
UM, AND, AND Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT ONE THAT I THINK IS REALLY CLEAR.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, AND I LIKE THIS ONE ON PAGE NINE THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN USING RECENTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
I THINK IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED THAT MM-HMM.
BUT THERE'S ONE THAT'S KIND OF BASICALLY THIS, BUT THERE'S SOME ARROWS AND STUFF THAT ILLUSTRATES THAT.
AND YOU COULD EVEN PUT THE, THE LOCALLY, THE LOCAL INFLOWS IN HERE TOO, BUT, UM, WOULD BE KIND OF A, A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT.
BUT ALSO ALL THE, I MEAN THE GRAPHICS, THE GRAPHICS, UM, AND THE PLAN AND THE, THE ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE STRATEGY HAVE REALLY EVOLVED.
UM, I LOVE SEEING, UM, GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATIONS OF ALL THESE.
SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN? YES, LET'S DO THAT.
AND JENNIFER, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN WE TAKE A MOMENT TO DO THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN FIRST? 'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY LIMITED SURE.
JUST TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN WE CAN GO IT.
WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY IN MY HAND.
SO IN YOUR BACKUP YOU HAVE THE, UH, RED LINE AND THE FINAL VERSION OF THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN ON THE RED LINE IS BASED ON WHAT HAD CHANGED SINCE THE MAY 2ND ADOPTION.
NOT A LOT HAS CHANGED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.
REALLY, THE, THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE DROUGHT PLAN.
FIRST OF ALL, IS THE RESTRICTIONS, ADDING RESTRICTIONS TO DRIP IRRIGATION, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS.
I'M SORRY TO, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
UM, I'M, I, UM, I'M HAVING TROUBLE OPENING THAT SECOND ZIP FILE.
THE, THE FILES WITHIN ARE WHEN I TRY TO OPEN 'EM OR CLAIMING THEY'RE NOT A PDF FILE.
IF I'M THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS ERROR, THEN I'LL JUST FOLLOW UP INDIRECTLY WITH, UM, WITH EMILY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF OTHERS ARE HAVING THIS ISSUE.
TODD, YOU CAN GO TO THE AUSTIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WEBSITE AND GO TO OUR TASK FORCE AND THEY HAVE ALL OF THEM LISTED THERE.
'CAUSE UM, I WAS DOING THAT TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS.
SO IF YOU JUST GOOGLE AUSTIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THEN FIND THE, WHAT IS IT CALLED? AUSTIN INTEGRATED WATER COMMUNITY TASK FORCE.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY, IT'S VERY LONG.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY JUST GOOGLE WATER FORWARD TASK FORCE AND IT SHOULD COME UP FOR YOU.
AND THEN ALL OF THE, UM, DOCUMENTS AND THE, UH, APPENDICES ARE INCLUDED ON THEM.
THERE'S A LINK FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM WITH NO ZIP FILES.
THAT WAS MY WORKAROUND IT SUPPORT.
SO FOR THE, UH, DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, OR AS YOU SEE IN THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS, DCP, UM, AS I SAID, THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
THE THE FIRST ONE IS THE ADDITION OF DRIP IRRIGATION.
UM, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS, AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM STAKEHOLDERS AND INTERESTED PARTIES, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO ADD TO CODE
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AND TO THE DRUG CONTINGENCY PLAN A RESTRICTION ON DRIP IRRIGATION FOR CONSERVATION STAGE STAGE ONE AND STAGE TWO, IT'LL BE TWO DAYS A WEEK FOR DRIP IRRIGATION.AND THEN FOR STAGE THREE AND STAGE FOUR, IT'LL BE ONE DAY A WEEK, UH, FOR DRIP IRRIGATION.
ARE THEY THE SAME DAYS AS NORMAL IRRIGATION OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT DAYS? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION.
UM, ONE OF THE TWO DAYS WILL BE THE, THE REGULAR AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION DAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WILL BE THE ADDITIONAL.
SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, COMMERCIAL IS IS TUESDAY AND FRIDAY OR FRIDAY.
SO DRIP WOULD BE ON BOTH OF THOSE.
SO YES, IT IS ON THE REGULAR ONE DAY, AND THEN YOU GET THE ADDITIONAL DAY LATER IN THE WEEK.
UM, RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN DO IT ON WEDNESDAY IF YOU'RE ON ODD.
UM, AND YOU COULD DO HOSE END ON SATURDAY.
WELL, FOR THE DRIP IRRIGATION, WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE YOU CAN USE DRIP ON WEDNESDAY, JUST LIKE YOUR AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION.
AND THEN YOU CAN USE DRIP AGAIN ON SATURDAY.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN,
WEDNESDAYS, JUST WEDNESDAYS, UM, IN CONSERVATION THROUGH STAGE THREE, THEY HAVE THAT SATURDAY YOU CAN RUN HOSE END ON SATURDAY.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA SAY FOR DRIP IRRIGATION, YOU GET TWO DAYS A WEEK, WEDNESDAY THAT USUAL DAY, AND THEN SATURDAY, WHICH IS ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE WEEK, IS YOUR ADDITIONAL DAY FOR DRIP IRRIGATION.
HOW COME NOT HAVING IT ON LIKE A, A MONDAY AND A A THURSDAY? SO IT'S JUST LIKE A WHOLE SEPARATE LIKE IRRIGATION SCHEDULE FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF IRRIGATION? WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE, THE CHANGES.
UM, SO FOR THOSE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE IT IN THEIR MIND WEDNESDAYS AND SATURDAYS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT SAME SET.
I THINK, UM, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN IT, KEVIN, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING TWO DAYS PER WEEK AND THAT YOU HAVE WOOD STAYS AND SATURDAYS, LIKE AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION SYSTEMS HAVE ONE DAY AND THE, AND LIKE THAT'S IT.
AND THEN YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT THE TWO DAYS, THE SECOND LIKE, AND THEN, AND THEN PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS OR IF THEY DON'T USE IT OR WHATEVER, UM, LIKE THAT USE A GARDEN HOSE OR A HOSE AND SPRINKLER THEY CAN WATER ON TWO DAYS PER WEEK.
'CAUSE IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE, AT LEAST WHEN YOU WERE EXPLAINING IT A COUPLE TIMES, AND I KNOW IT'S CONFUSING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ADD IN DRIP IRRIGATION NOW, UM, THAT THEY, THAT YOU, THAT YOU CAN IRRIGATE TWICE PER WEEK.
BUT REALLY WHAT WE HAVE IN AUSTIN IS ONCE PER WEEK IRRIGATION, IF YOU HAVE AN AUTOMATIC, UM, UM, IRRIGATION SYSTEM OR, YOU KNOW, THAT SPRAYS WATER ABOVE GROUND, I GUESS A AUTOMATIC DRIP IS TWICE PER WEEK.
SO, UM, JUST LIKE AS FAR AS LIKE HOW WE DISCUSS IT, BUT IT JUST MAKES ME THINK TOO THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A REALLY CLEAR WAY TO COMMUNICATE THIS TO PEOPLE THAT ISN'T CONFUSING AND ISN'T, UM, AND I THINK SOMETIMES IN THE, IN OUR COMMUNICATION AROUND TRYING TO CLEARLY COMMUNICATE IT, WE, WE ACTUALLY PROBABLY COMMUNICATE TOO MUCH INFORMATION, UM, WHICH IS, SOUNDS KINDA LIKE A LITTLE BIT LIKE A OXYMORON, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT THE, ALL THOSE PIO PEOPLE AND SMART PEOPLE CAN WORK ON THAT.
BUT JUST HOW DO WE CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THIS TO FOLKS? AND SO I'M JUST GONNA, I THINK IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE 'EM AS SEPARATE DAYS SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET CONFUSING WITH THE AUTOMATIC.
WELL, I THINK THAT THAT SECOND DAY IS REALLY MOST BENEFICIAL TO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS WHO MIGHT RUN THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, BY AND LARGE, THEY'LL HAVE A COUPLE DRIP ZONES AND THEN FOUR OR FIVE SPRAY ZONES AND THEY'LL RUN THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE SAME DAY.
SO I THINK FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, THERE WON'T BE A LOT OF CHANGE.
UM, MOST RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WILL NOT BE INTERESTED OR SAVVY ENOUGH
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TO MESS WITH THEIR CONTROLLERS TO HAVE A COUPLE ZONES RUNNING ON ONE DAY AND THE REST OF 'EM RUNNING ON ANOTHER.UM, I THINK MOST OF 'EM WILL JUST RUN ALL OF THEM ONE DAY.
SO I THINK MOST OF IT WILL BE FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.
THE SECOND CHANGE IS REALLY JUST ADDING A BIT MORE TEXT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT NON-FUNCTIONAL TURF IS VERSUS, UM, FUNCTIONAL TURF.
AND THAT'S REALLY IN STAGE FOUR DROUGHT, THAT THAT ONLY BECOMES RELEVANT.
AND THEN THIS IS, I MEAN, THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, BUT, UM, ALL CRA HAS, AND WE AS LCRA CUSTOMERS, AUSTIN WATERS, LCRA CUSTOMERS.
UM, BUT, BUT THIS IS ALL IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT 'CAUSE THEY'VE, THEY HAVE STEPPED UP THEIR, THEIR PLANS AT AND THEN QUITE A, QUITE A BIT, SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SARAH HAS HER HAND UP.
ARE WE TO JUST OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE TROUT PLAN? YES.
AND THEN ROBERT, I SEE YOUR HAND UP FOR AFTER SARAH.
ONE IS IN THIS, UM, GEEZ, I LOST MY PAGE.
WHY DON'T YOU GO TO ROBERT AND I'LL FIND MY PLACE.
UM, MINE'S PROBABLY PRETTY MINOR, BUT ON TABLE TWO, UM, YOU HAVE THE DEMAND TRIGGERS AND I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST ADD LIKE A GREATER THAN OR GREATER THAN EQUAL TO 300 MGD GREATER THAN OR GREATER THAN EQUAL TO THE 320 MGD.
I COULD SEE SOME LAWYER COMING IN GOING, WELL IT WAS 3 0 1, NOT 300
HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT 300 MGT
ONE IS, UM, ON TABLE ONE THERE'S WAS SOME LIKE ADDITIONAL TEXT TALKING ABOUT WATER TREAT AND PLANTS AND CAPACITY.
AND I WAS CURIOUS, UM, WHY ALL OF THAT WAS DELETED THAT THAT WAS AN EFFORT JUST TO, TO CLEAN UP THE TABLE.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF JUST HISTORICAL STUFF IN THE FOOTNOTES AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY REQUIRED IN THE PLAN, UH, TO DISCUSS CAPACITY, BUT ALL THE ADDITIONAL HISTORICAL DISCUSSION ON CAPACITY ALSO.
SO IT WAS AN ATTEMPT JUST TO CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION AND WAS ON PAGE 28, UM, THE DROUGHT RATE SURCHARGE OF $3 PER THOUSAND GALLONS IN STAGE FIVE AND IT TELL US TO REFER TO THE, UM, WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, I THINK, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN HERE THAT WE'VE REVIEWED BEFORE? IT IT, I REMEMBER THERE BEING DROUGHT RATE SURCHARGE AS MENTIONED IN THE DRAFT PLAN WE REVIEWED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT SPECIFICITY.
IT WAS ADDED SINCE MAY AS THE CITY WENT THROUGH ITS, ITS, UH, FEE, UH, FEE DOCUMENTS, SETTING FEE DOCUMENTS.
WE'VE HISTORICALLY HAD DROUGHT SURCHARGES, UM, BEFORE, UH, IN STAGE TWO AND THREE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE SPECIFIED MORE.
IT IS RATHER BASIC IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN AND DESCRIBED MORE IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.
RIGHT? $3 PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
I MEAN, STAGE FIVE IS NO JOKE CLEARLY, BUT IT'S MUCH LOWER DURING THE, THE, THE, UM, THE DROUGHT, WELL THEY CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN STAGE TWO AND THREE.
IT'S LIKE, UM, BECAUSE THE PRESUMPTION IS, I, I MIGHT BE CONFLATING DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THE PRESUMPTION IS WHEN YOU'RE IN THOSE DROUGHT STAGES THAT AUSTIN WATER CUSTOMERS ARE USING LESS, THEREFORE LESS REVENUE.
UM, AND THAT THERE'S THIS, THIS, UM, SURCHARGE TO CREATE, THERE'S CREATES THIS FUND AND TO HELP THROUGH THOSE TIMES.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO LIKE, I GUESS LIKE A REVENUE STABILIZATION FUND.
I FEEL LIKE SARAH WORKED ON THAT AS A YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO
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THERE WAS, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY DROUGHT RATES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE VOLUMETRIC RATES, WHICH I GUESS THIS IS SINCE IT'S PER A THOUSAND GALLONS.AND WE DID ALL THIS WORK TO CREATE THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL FEE TO CREATE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TACK ON THESE, UM, EXTREME FEES DURING DROUGHTS BECAUSE IT CAN BE EXTREMELY HARD ON, YOU KNOW, WORKING FAMILIES TO SUDDENLY HAVE MUCH HIGHER WATER BILLS.
AND, UM, THIS ISN'T AS EXTREME AS THE DROUGHT RATES THAT WERE PROPOSED WHEN WE DID THAT.
UH, I FORGET, IT'S LIKE WHAT THE NAME OF IT IS THIS RESERVATION FEE SURCHARGE.
BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF ADDING THIS SMALL FEE THAT A VERY SMALL FEE THAT'S ADDED CONTINUOUSLY WAS TO CREATE THIS, UM, DROUGHT RESERVATION SYSTEM SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE SELLING LESS WATER, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE UTILITY AT SUCH VULNERABILITY.
UM, I'M NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE CURRENT RATE AND FEE WORK, SO I ASSUME THIS WAS THOROUGHLY VETTED.
UM, BUT IT WAS JUST SURPRISING TO SEE, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD WORKED HARDER ON A POLICY TO NOT HAVE TO IMPOSE THOSE KINDS OF FEES ON JUST PEOPLE USING HOUSEHOLD WATER SUPPLY EVEN IN DROUGHT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE HAD THE DROUGHT RAISE SURCHARGE OF A DOLLAR PER THOUSAND GALLONS IN STAGE THREE AND IT WAS $3 IN STAGE FOUR.
BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE A STAGE FIVE, 'CAUSE THAT'S NEW IN THIS DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS WE ADDED ANOTHER STAGE.
SO NOW IT'S $2 IN STAGE FOUR AND $3 IN STAGE FIVE, IF I GOT THAT RIGHT.
WELL THEN I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE ON A DIFFERENT WITH IT IF WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER, WHOEVER IT'S, MAYBE YOU COULD GO BACK AND SEE IF WE CAN NOW UNDO THE RESERVATION FEE SURCHARGE THAT WE'RE ALL PAYING CONSTANTLY.
'CAUSE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO SAVE UP FOR DROUGHT.
SO IF WE'RE NOT SAVING UP FOR DROUGHT, LET'S NOT PAY IT ANYMORE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE CHART CONTINGENCY PLAN? OH, SORRY, YOU WERE RIGHT HERE OR NEXT TO ME.
IT SAYS FUNCTIONAL TURF C DEFINITION BELOW, BUT THE DEFINITION IS NOT BELOW.
YOU HAVE TO GO A FEW PAGES AND SO MAYBE EITHER ADDING IT BELOW OR REFERENCING THE PAGE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY ON WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST FOR OH YEAH, FOR CLARITY'S SAKE.
ARE WE READY FOR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN? JUST, JUST SO I CAN CLARIFY MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS, I LOOKED IT UP.
IT'S THE RESERVE FUND SURCHARGE, A VOLUME BASED CHARGE TO BUILD A RESERVE TO OFFSET REVENUE LOSSES CAUSED BY EXTREME WEATHER PATTERNS, BOTH WET AND DRY.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO PREVIOUSLY.
THAT WAS INTENDED TO OFFSET DROP CHARGES, BUT JUST FOR BACKGROUND, THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE DROUGHT? CONTINUENCY? LOTS OF THREAD IN HERE AS I FLIP THROUGH IT.
SO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, UM, SIMILAR TO THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, THE RED LINE VERSION IS FROM A SECOND.
AND WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THAT MAY 2ND ADOPTION OF THE PLAN TO THIS DRAFT OF THE PLAN.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ED EDITORIAL MINOR CHANGES THROUGHOUT.
THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION INCLUDED EARLY IN THE PLAN, SUCH AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE WATER SYSTEM LOSS AND, AND BLACK AND BEECHER REPORT, UM, AS WELL AS INFORMATION ADDED REGARDING THE GO PURPLE PROGRAM.
UM, THAT HAD REALLY KIND OF COME IN AS THE LAST PLAN WAS NEARING THE THE COUNCIL FINISH LINE.
BUT BY, BUT THE REAL BIG SECTION, THE BIG CHANGE IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN IS THE SECTION TOWARDS THE END ON PAGE 32 OF THE FINAL PLAN OR PAGE 39 OF THE RED LINE VERSION, UH, SECTION FOR, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
DOES IT GET CAUGHT UP? DOES EVERYBODY FOLLOW, DOES EVERYONE HAVE THE DOCUMENT? NO.
PAGE 32, 39 FOR THE 39 FOR THE RED LINE.
AND PAGE 32 FOR THE CLEAN VERSION.
THE FUTURE WATER USE AND LOSS ACTIVITY SECTION.
AH, THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE MAJORITY OF CHANGES, UM, TOOK PLACE IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.
NOW THIS SECTION WAS REALLY REWRITTEN, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED
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THAT COULD BE PURSUED, UM, WITH DETAILED IMPLEMENTATION MILESTONES AND ANTICIPATED WATER SAVING YIELDS FOR THE 2029 AND 2034 PERIOD.NOW THESE ACTIVITIES IN THIS CHAPTER, THE SECTION RATHER ARE INTENDED TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN THE WATER FORWARD PLAN.
THAT WHAT WE DISCUSSED JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO, UM, CONSISTENT, IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME BECAUSE UM, THE STRATEGIES IN THE WATER FORWARD PLAN CAN CONTAINS SOME ROLL-UPS OF SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE EACH OF THESE ACTIVITIES OR STRATEGIES THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE IMPLEMENTING, UM, REFLECTED INDIVIDUALLY IN THE WATER FORWARD PLAN THAT YOU'RE ROLLING UP SOME OF THESE INTO A LARGER WATER CONSERVATION STRATEGY.
THE NUMBERS AND MILESTONES AREN'T GONNA BE EXACTLY ONE FOR ONE NUMBERS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, BENCHMARKING, UH, WAS SPLIT SOME OF IT'S INDOOR UNDER THE CUSTOMER SIDE STRATEGY AND SOME OF IT'S OUTDOOR HMM.
SO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE IN THE WATER OF CONSERVATION PLAN FOR BENCHMARKING ARE SPLIT INTO THE NEW TWO NEW STRATEGIES.
SO, BUT IT IS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE TWO PLANS.
SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES, UH, THAT ARE INCLUDED AND DISCUSSED MORE IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN UPDATE IS ADDITIONAL WATER LOSS MITIGATION ACTIVITIES.
SEE A LOT OF THE STRATEGIES THERE, THE MILESTONE STRATEGIES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, WORKING ON OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, YOU SEE AGAIN, THE DRIP RESTRICTIONS, BIT MORE TEXT ABOUT DRIP RESTRICTIONS.
IT ALSO INCLUDES MORE INFORMATION DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH MY A TX WATER AND HOW WE'RE GONNA SAVE WATER WITH BY ENGAGING WITH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.
DISCUSSES MORE ABOUT BENCHMARKING AND BUDGETING, HOW WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING TOWARDS THAT AND COLLECTING THE NECESSARY DATA AND, UH, LEARNING TO DO THE PROCESSES FOR THE BENCHMARKING AND BUDGETING.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES AN ADDITIONAL OUTREACH ACTIVITY PROPOSED OF CREATING COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP GRANTS MICROGRANTS TO ASSIST IN THAT OUTREACH AND THAT MARKETING.
UM, WHILE WE KIND OF HAVE A TOP DOWN APPROACH USING SOCIAL MEDIA AND, AND TRADITIONAL MEDIA, THESE MICROGRANTS ARE ANTICIPATED TO KIND OF COME FROM BOTTOMS UP WORK WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS TO HELP SPREAD THAT CONSERVATION MEDS MESSAGE THROUGH THEIR EFFORTS AND HELP THEM DO THAT.
ALSO, THAT SECTION TOWARDS THE END OF THAT SECTION, UM, IT DISCUSSES THE AMENDED TOTAL GPCD AND RESIDENTIAL GPCD FOR THE FIVE AND 10 YEARS.
AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THAT SECTION DISCUSSES HOW AS, AS UM, THE DIRECTOR POINTED OUT, WE ARE GONNA BE COMMITTING TO REPORTING ON A QUARTERLY AND ANNUAL BASIS OUR PROGRESS IN TERMS OF THE MILESTONES AS WELL AS THE YIELDS AND THE DIFFERENT, UH, ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE TO IMPLEMENT THESE ACTIVITIES.
SO THAT'S JUST A, A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT HAD CHANGED IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.
AS I SAID, THE LARGEST CHANGES ARE REALLY IN THAT SECTION OF FUTURE WATER USE AND LOSS ACTIVITIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO LATE TO ADD, BUT I THINK THAT FOR THE WATER REUSE AND RECLAIMED UNDER THE GO PURPLE, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A STRATEGY TO HELP GET UT ON THAT AND IT WOULD HAVE A LOT OF WATER SAVING FOR THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE THEY ARE ONE OF OUR BIGGEST WATER USERS AND IT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CENTRALLY LOCATED.
SO GETTING THEM ATTACHED TO THAT WHOLE SYSTEM COULD HAVE A REALLY LARGE BENEFITS.
AS I KNOW KEVIN IS VERY AWARE, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH UT AS WELL AS OTHER MAJOR USERS.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT STRATEGY LISTED ON THE 28 OR 29 AROUND THE WATER REUSE AND EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEW PEOPLE COMING ON AND UTILIZING BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT NOT REALLY OF EXISTING HEAVY WATER USERS THAT COULD BE GOING ONTO THE PURPLE PIPE.
I THINK WE COULD TALK, I'M HESITANT TO CALL OUT A SPECIFIC ONE BY NAME, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT
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THAT MORE GENERALLY ABOUT THEY DO, YOU KNOW, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS IS A, IS A CUSTOMER OF OUR CENTRALIZED RECLAIM SYSTEM, BUT THEY CERTAINLY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO USE MORE AND WE WORK WITH THEM.KEVIN HAS REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THEM.
SO I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT GENERALLY.
AND NO, ONE OF THE BENCHMARKING, UH, MILESTONES, I GUESS IT'S TABLE 20, UM, IS TO TALK ABOUT COMPLETING OUR RECLAIMED, UH, LONG RANGE PLAN UPDATE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL ALSO BE WORKING ON THE, IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
WHAT PAGES THAT ON IT'S PAGE 44 ON THE RED LINE.
DO WE TALK IN THE PLAN ABOUT HOW WE DIDN'T MEET OUR GOALS FROM THE LAST PLAN? AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I NEGLECTED TO, TO NOTE THAT THAT IS ON PAGE 37.
I WAS LIKE, I SWEAR TO GOD I WAS LOOKING AT THE OLD ONE.
I SAW THIS IN HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT I COULDN'T FIND IT.
SO I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA COMMENT ON THOSE SECTIONS.
DOES THIS TIME OKAY, JENNIFER? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO JUST, YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THIS SECTION GOALS FOR WATER USE AND WATER LOSS.
AND I JUST IF, UM, WOULD ENCOURAGE THE OTHER TASK FORCE MEMBERS TO REVIEW THIS BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING JUST TO SEE WHAT YOU THINK AND IF WE HAVE ANY, UM, SUGGESTED CHANGES.
'CAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS QUITE A LOT IN OUR MEETINGS.
UM, FOR ME, ONE OF THE SECTIONS THAT CAUGHT MY EYE ON IS ON PAGE 36, IT'S IN THE RED LINE.
VARIOUS FACTORS CONTRIBUTED TO THE 2019 TO 2023 AVERAGE TOTAL GPCD BEING HIGHER THAN THE 2024 GOAL.
UM, IN PARTICULAR THE EXTREME WEATHER BULLET POINT.
IT TALKS ABOUT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THERE'VE BEEN A NUMBER OF EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS THAT HAVE AFFECTED WATER, AUSTIN'S WATER USE.
UM, I I AGREE FACTUALLY THE STATEMENTS, IT'S JUST THAT IT FEELS A LITTLE, UM, THAT PARAGRAPH, IT FEELS A LITTLE DISJOINTED FROM THE WATER FORWARD PLAN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, TALKS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND MODELING AND OUR LONG-TERM PROJECTIONS.
AND THIS FEELS LIKE IT'S SORT OF CALLING OUT THIS FIVE YEAR PERIOD AS BEING EXTREME WEATHER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT WE NOT ADDING ON THAT WE EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE ESSENTIALLY.
AND I DON'T, SO I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TEXTUAL SUGGESTION RIGHT NOW, AND I'LL THINK ABOUT IT AND TRY TO SUGGEST SOMETHING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING THIS WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING AND I KNOW, UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY EXPECT LONGER PERIODS WITH LOW INFLOWS AND LOW RAINFALL AND EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AND THE PRECIPITATION COMING MORE FASTER THAN WE CAN CONTROL IT.
SO I JUST, YEAH, IT JUST, IT JUST FEELS DISJOINTED TO ME.
UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE FACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE PANDEMIC AND WATER USE AND THAT ALL SEEMS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE, BUT I JUST, YEAH.
I WANTED EVERYBODY TO JUST TAKE A MINUTE WHEN THEY HAVE A CHANCE AFTER AND READ THESE SECTIONS AND SEE IF THIS ALL KIND OF LINES UP WITH, UM, YOUR, WE MIGHT WANNA REFLECT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
JUST MAKE A STATEMENT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, AS YOU SAY, THAT'S LIKE THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO FACE THAT MM-HMM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NEED TO DRIVE DOWN OUR WATER USE EVEN IN THE FACE OF THESE CLIMATE CHALLENGES WHERE WE DON'T WANNA LOSE OUR TREE CANOPY.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW HOW LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE, LIKE, THAT'S A REAL CHALLENGE GOING FORWARD.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE SOME OF THAT DISSONANCE IS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S JUST A STATEMENT WE CAN ADD TO THAT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS REALLY HIGHLIGHTS A, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS WORK AND B, JUST HOW HARD IT'S GONNA BE.
I, I, I THINK, I THINK THE WAY THAT THIS STATEMENT ON EXTREME WEATHER IS, COULD USE SOME WORK THE WAY IT'S WORDED.
UM,
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WE DID, BUT IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE LOST A LOT OF TREES AND LANDSCAPES.WE'VE BEEN WATERING TREES, SO THAT'S PART OF IT.
AND YEAH, THERE IS SOME OF THAT.
I MEAN, I GOT MY TWO TREES FROM TREE FOLKS, BUT UM, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WATER 'EM WITH AC CONDENSATE, SO DON'T BLAME ME.
BUT, UM, UH, BUT I THINK
I THINK THAT, UM, THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING.
WE COULD, WE COULD MAYBE WORK ON THIS, THE WORDING ON THIS SECTION A LITTLE BIT TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE WEATHER VARIABILITY THAT WE'RE HAVING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE EXTREME FREEZES AND THEN THESE DEEP DROUGHTS THAT WE'RE HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, WATER USE PATTERNS ARE NOT REALLY LIKE WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING, UM, IN THE, IN THE PAST.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, PAUL, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
JUST TO ECHO YOUR COMMENTS THERE.
AND SARAH'S, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT THIS SECTION STOOD OUT TO ME, BUT WHEN I READ IT AND I, UM, AGREE IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THE NARRATIVE RIGHT AND NOT SEEM LIKE WE'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING.
UM, I MEAN I, IT'S, IT'S SURE, IT'S MOSTLY CORRECT HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE.
WE SAID WHAT WAS KIND OF OBVIOUS HERE, WHICH IS THAT I THINK WE PROBABLY EXPANDED OUR CUSTOMER BASE IN THAT TIME, MAYBE MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
AND MAYBE Y'ALL CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT AS I KNOW THERESA HAS KINDLY EXPLAINED TO US BEFORE IN OUR GPCD NUMBERS, WE INCLUDE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL OBVIOUSLY.
SO, UM, I, I KNOW I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD HERE, BUT AS I MENTIONED, WHAT ELSE HAPPENED IN THAT FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME, UH, WE GOT A, A HUGE INCREASE IN WATER USAGE FROM A NEW INDUSTRIAL USER UP TO THE TUNE OF 330 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR,
AND ALL OF THAT GETS INCLUDED INTO THE CALCULATION FOR GPCD.
SO YEAH, THIS PART OF THE STORY HERE IS LIKE, WE GOT SOME NEW CUSTOMERS.
ONE OF THEM WAS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BIG AND THEY USED A TON OF WATER.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA LEAVE THAT OUT OF THE EQUATION.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE A SEPARATE BULLET POINT TOO.
JUST YEAH, OVER THE FIVE YEARS, I MEAN, THE LARGEST INCREASE WAS IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE LARGEST FIVE PERCENTAGE WAS IN MULTIFAMILY.
SO YES, WE DID GET A LARGE CUSTOMER, BUT, AND THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN WATER USE, BUT IT WASN'T A SPECIFIC USER.
AND IS THAT INCREASED WATER USE BY EXISTING CUSTOMERS OR INCREASED WATER USE FROM ADDITIONAL CUSTOMERS? I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S GPCD IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IF, YEAH, OVER THOSE FIVE YEARS THAT INCREASE IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS JUST THE NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE USING ALL THE WATER OR IT WAS ALL THE EXISTING CUSTOMERS.
DID WE SAY THAT IN THE REPORT? WE DON'T WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT DIFFERENT SECTORS OF WATER USE, WHICH ACTUALLY GOES INTO ALL THE GPCD, THE RATE OF GROWTH AND THE USE OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, ET CETERA.
WE DID NOT SAY THAT IN THIS REPORT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT, IT IS NOT THE SAME FOR LIKE, LIKE EVERY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OR MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING TO INCREASE THEIR WATER A LITTLE BIT.
I CAN RECOGNIZE THAT OBVIOUSLY HAPPENED.
UM, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY DIFFERENT FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO INCREASE THEIR WATER USAGE BY A LITTLE BIT FOR THEIR LIVES THAN FOR AN INDUSTRIAL USER TO INCREASE BY 330 MILLION GALLONS FROM ZERO TO 330 MILLION.
SO THERE'S A QUALITATIVE DIFFERENCE THERE AS WELL.
QUANTITATIVE, JUST, UM, I MEAN I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY WENT UP, SO, SO MAYBE THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, HAVE A DEFINITION GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY HERE IN THE PLAN IF THERE WASN'T ONE ALREADY.
BUT TO GO A LITTLE DEEPER AND EXPLAIN THAT GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY INCLUDES TOTAL POPULATION AND THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS, THIS INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, COMMERCIAL, BE VERY EXPLICIT ABOUT IT.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF A LARGE INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMER COMES IN, UM, OR A LARGE WATER USER OR A HUGE MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX, UM, BUT I THINK LIKE A LARGE INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMER IS PROBABLY A COMMERCIAL, A GOOD EXAMPLE.
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BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMERATOR, YET THE DENOMINATOR STAYS THE SAME.UM, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT HAPPENS, I MEAN, JUST LIKE, LIKE KIND OF UNTANGLING G-P-C-D-A LITTLE BIT AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO LIKE HELP EXPLAIN AWAY, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT THAT IS.
UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S A WAY TO KIND OF GET THERE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT UNDERSTANDING WHAT GOES INTO THESE, 'CAUSE WHAT GOES, WHAT GOES INTO, I MEAN THE GPCD METRIC IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, IT'S REALLY KIND OF LIKE THE BACKBONE OF THIS AND KIND OF THE, THE THING THAT WE MEASURE PROGRESS AGAINST.
SO, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT GOES INTO THE NUMERATOR AND DENOMINATOR FOR THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A FRACTION AND SOME ADDITION, UM, BUT, UH, IS, IS IMPORTANT HERE.
UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY KNOW THAT.
AND I I MIGHT BE MESSING IT UP.
AND I DID THOSE CALCULATIONS AND IT WAS, I DON'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER WAS IT ON ONE, ONE AND A HALF GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY.
BUT YOU COULD JUST, RATHER THAN SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS NEW MAJOR MANUFACTURER EDITION, JUST ADD UP ALL THE MANUFACTURING ADDITIONS AND WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT EQUAL ON THE TOTAL GPCD? I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.
AND I DO THINK, I DO THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S FINE IF Y'ALL DON'T BELIEVE ME, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOME DEMAND HARDENING GOING ON.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS PERMANENT STAGE ONE ONCE A WEEK WATERING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE BEEN FLAT FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE IN THE GPCD.
SO, AND THIS IS AGAIN, SOMETHING I'M SEEING ACROSS THE STATE.
IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT JUST AUSTIN.
SO IT'S LIKE PEOPLE ARE DOING, PEOPLE ARE DOING TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, GREAT JOB.
BUT THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT ALSO MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH YOUR WATER USE WHEN IT GETS DRY, THEN YOUR USE STARTS CREEPING UP JUST, JUST BECAUSE THE DROUGHT'S GOING TO GOING TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF THE, THE DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS.
WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SOME OF THAT HAPPENING.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'VE BEEN IN DROUGHT A LOT THE PAST MANY YEARS AND WE'RE GROWING AND, YOU KNOW, ADDING LOTS TO THE, YOU KNOW, NUMERATOR OF THE FRACTION AND THE DENOMINATOR.
BUT, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALSO, I MEAN I SAW THREE DIFFERENT PLACES IRRIGATING WHEN I DROVE HERE, LIKE THE 10 BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE TODAY AT NOON.
YOU KNOW, I SAW TWO HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU, YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY'S PERFECT SPRAY IRRIGATION GOING ON.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WATER USE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, NOT EVERYBODY'S FOLLOWING THE RULES.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT FOLLOWING THE WATERING RULES AND TO SEE IN A MILE THREE DIFFERENT IRRIGATIONS WHILE DRIVING HERE AT 1130 TODAY, WHICH I WASN'T GONNA MENTION, BUT YOU MADE ME DO IT.
WELL, I JUST THINK JENNIFER, YOU KNOW, BRINGS UP A POINT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT, AND NOBODY, AND IT'S, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WELL WE'RE GETTING THROUGH TO PEOPLE WITH MESSAGING AND THERE'S A SENSE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE WAS MORE EFFECTIVE MESSAGING INITIALLY IN THE PAST WHEN WE WENT TO THE ONE DAY WATERING, BUT THAT WE HAVE SORT OF LOST THAT CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THE EDUCATION AND MESSAGING COULD BE IMPROVED.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH PROBLEM TO GET AT, BUT IT IS, IT IS A THOUGHT OUT THERE.
AND WHEN I ASK PEOPLE THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR WATERING SCHEDULE, I TRY TO MAKE A POINT OF ASKING PEOPLE JUST TO ANECDOTALLY FIND OUT.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE A HUGE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM THAT'S WORKING ON IT.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN CONSIDER.
AND I BELIEVE THERE IS, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ROBERT.
BUT IT'S ALSO I THINK THE MEDIA ENVIRONMENT AND CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE.
ROBERT, DO YOU STILL HAVE A QUESTION? YOUR HAND'S STILL UP.
UM, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN CREATE THE RIGHT ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, PEOPLE WILL CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIORS AROUND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE ZERO SCAPING, ALL OF THE WATERING BEHAVIOR AND EVERYTHING WITHOUT US HAVING TO POLICE IT AND, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN
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WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR BUDGET TO GO PAY FOR ALL THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA MAKE SO MUCH MONEY CHARGING 'EM FOR IT.I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER PEOPLE NEED TO LIVE AND WE NEED TO PROVIDE THAT AT A, AT A VERY INEXPENSIVE RATE.
AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE TURF GRASS AND WANNA WATER IT AND WANT TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR POOL THAT EVAPORATES AND, AND, AND ALL OF THOSE USES OF WATER THAT, THAT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES ARE SUCH THAT THEY KNOW WHY THEY'RE DOING THAT.
DO WE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS ON THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, BILL? I DO.
IF YOU LIKE, YOU'RE ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING PROFOUND.
UM, SO JUST QUICKLY ON THE SAME, THIS IS, I KNOW NOT IMPORTANT, BUT ON THIS PANDEMIC IMPACTS PARAGRAPH I'M GONNA SEND IN SOME SUGGESTED LANGUAGE.
I JUST, IT, IT MAKES IT SOUND SO HAPPY.
MANY AUSTINITES WERE ABLE TO WORK FROM HOME AND SPEND MORE TIME AT HOME LIKE TRAPPED AT HOME, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN ALSO THE LAST SENTENCE IS LIKE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY TRAPPED AT HOME, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST SENTENCE IS LIKE, AS MANY AUSTINITES CONTINUED TO WORK FROM HOME AND ENJOYED WATER DEPENDENT AMENITIES SUCH AS NEW LANDSCAPES AND POOLS INSTALLED DURING THE PANDEMIC, IT, IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT VIBE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL JUST SITTING BY A POOL DRINKING A MARGARITA.
LIKE, AND THAT'S NOT THE REALITY OF MOST WORKING AUSTINITES.
THERE WERE A LOT OF NEW POOLS INSTALLED AND IT IS A PROBLEM FOR WATER.
BUT, SO I THINK WE CAN MAYBE REFRAME THAT.
UM, AND THEN MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO VOTE SEPARATELY ON THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN FROM THE WATER FORWARD PLAN? CAN WE SET UP THE ACTION ITEMS THAT WAY? YES.
THEY WILL BE SET UP THAT WAY, YES.
THEY ARE SENDING RCAS TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN JUST TO BE PERFECTLY TRANSPARENT, 'CAUSE I SAID THIS A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
I STILL FEEL LIKE THE WHOLE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH ON THIS WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, I DIDN'T, A LOT OF, IM IMPROVEMENT ON THE EXPLANATION OF THE UTILITY WATER LOSS AND THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
BUT JUST OVERALL ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS AS OUR AFFORDABLE WATER SUPPLY STRATEGY, I JUST DON'T SEE THE KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, TRANSFORMATION THAT I NEEDED FROM OUR APRIL MEETING FROM UTILITIES, FROM THE UTILITY IN TERMS OF LIKE ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES AND QUANTIFICATION.
SO I'M GONNA REVIEW IT AGAIN, BUT AT THIS POINT I'M HOPING WE WOULD GIVE OUT SEPARATELY 'CAUSE I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE, THIS VERSION, THIS FIVE YEAR VERSION OF THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.
UM, ON PAGE 12 AND PAGE 45, IT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC OUTREACH AND MARKETING AND, UM, EDUCATION PROGRAMS. AND I GAVE A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS FOR LIKE SCHOOL PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY, UM, OF THOSE REFLECTED FOR LIKE FUTURE EDUCATION PROGRAMS. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN SCHOOLS AND I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME NEW IDEAS KIND OF GO INTO THAT AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UM, DRIVE CHANGE ON THE, THE YOUNGER CHILDREN'S SIDE 'CAUSE CHILDREN INFLUENCED THEIR PARENTS.
I REMEMBER DOING IT WHEN I WAS THAT AGE, WASN'T THERE.
UM, I BELIEVE MAYBE IT'S ONE OF, ONE OF THE APPENDIXES, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM SOME OF THE ATTACHMENTS.
THEY HAD A TABLE, MAYBE PLUMBER PUT IT TOGETHER WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TASK FORCE AND YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER THIS CAME OUT AND WITH KIND OF WHAT THEY DID WITH THEM.
LIKE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ONE, THIS ONE WILL GO UNDER, YOU KNOW, THAT UM, WE HAVE THAT.
UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WERE THIS WAY TO TRACK WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
KIND OF LIKE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, WE CAN GO AND REVIEW WHERE SOME OF THOSE ENDED UP.
SOME OF THEM I THINK WERE INCLUDED AS BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
I'D JUST LOVE TO SEE SOME NEW THINGS FOR THE EDUCATION PROGRAM IF MESSAGING AND MARKETING IS NOT GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE ADDITIONAL.
I'M GONNA COMMIT KEVIN TO GOING TO LOOK FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND MAKING SURE THEY GET IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE THESE THREE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REDLINED.
UM, AND IF WE ARE REVIEWING THESE AND PROVIDING WRITTEN FEEDBACK VIA EMILY,
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IT'LL GET TO YOU.YOU'RE GONNA SEND US ON THE 31ST, UM, A DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE A RED LINE.
WELL TRY TO SEND A CLEAN COPY VERSION.
WE CAN SEND A FURTHER RED LINE IF YOU WOULD LIKE A, UM, BUT I THINK OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE THAT CLEAN COPY VERSION AVAILABLE TO THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS, BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD BE THE VERSION YOU WOULD BE VOTED ON NEXT MONDAY.
MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT SEEMS FINE.
I I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED A FINAL VERSION.
UM, BUT LIKE THAT, THAT TABLE THAT YOU SHOWED US AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE COULD BE OVERRULED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
I'M NOT A DICTATOR, BUT, UM, BUT THE, THAT, THAT TABLE THAT YOU SHOWED US AT THE BEGINNING, WHICH HAD THE PAGE NUMBERS AND KIND OF LIKE DESCRIBE CHANGES MM-HMM.
FOR JUST FOR JUST, OOPS, SORRY.
FOR JUST THE THINGS THAT CHANGE FROM THE VERSION WE LOOKED AT TODAY TO WHATEVER THE NEW VERSION IS.
THAT IS EITHER IF YOU TOOK NOTES TODAY OR ARE GONNA MAKE SOME CHANGES BASED ON COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE OR IF YOU RECEIVED SOMETHING IN WRITING AND MAKE A CHANGE IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
LIKE IF YOU COULD, I LIKED THAT LITTLE TABLE THAT THEY HAD UP ON THE SCREEN HERE WAS SUPER HELPFUL AND HELPED WITH WAY FINDING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.
IS EVERYBODY FINE WITH THAT APPROACH? OKAY.
UM, OKAY, SO WE'RE DOWN GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE.
Y'ALL WE'RE GONNA HAVE RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ACTION OR RCAS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNCIL ACTION.
SO, UM, IS THIS A STRAIGHT, I MEAN, I SAW SOME COMMENTS FROM SOME OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS, UM, AND JUST, IS THIS A STRAIGHT, LIKE, WE BLESS THIS AND WE THINK IT'S WONDERFUL AND SEND IT ON? OR IS IT JUST A STRAIGHT UP DOWN VOTE? IS IT A, HOW DID, HOW DID WALK, WALK US THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT.
SO TYPICALLY THE WAY THESE WORK WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS, UM, WE, UH, PROVIDE THE PLANS FOR YOUR REVIEW AND THEN YOU TAKE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE FOR RECOMMENDING IT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
UM, AND, UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE WE WILL TAKE, WE WILL BRING THESE THREE PLANS TO YOU.
ALL THREE PLANS WILL GO TO WATER AND WASTEWATER COMMISSION THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
UM, AND THEN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION ALSO HAS PURVIEW OVER WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND DROP CONTINGENCY PLAN.
UM, AND THEN ALL THREE OF THOSE WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 21ST.
SO CAN WE SEND AN EMAIL OUT TO THE, WE'RE MISSING SOME TASK FORCE MEMBERS, SO JUST KIND OF OUTLINING THE PROCESS TO THEM IN AN EASY WAY OF WHERE WE ARE.
AND THEN I SEE THAT TODD HAS A QUESTION.
YEAH, I WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT.
I THOUGHT WHILE WE'RE ON THE PHONE, WE HAVE A EMAIL THAT HAS ALL OF THE UPCOMING, UM, CALENDAR ITEMS. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD QUICKLY GO THROUGH THOSE AND TALK ABOUT ANY EXPECTATIONS AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OR READY TO DO IN EACH OF THOSE INTERACTIONS.
'CAUSE WE HAVE, AS A TASK FORCE OR AS PEOPLE WHO ARE AVAILABLE, SHOWED UP AT, YOU KNOW, TO SUPPORT, UM, OUR WORK, OUR COLLECTIVE WORK IN AUSTIN WATER AT CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO YEAH, LET'S, LET'S GO OVER THAT.
SO THE, UH, NOVEMBER 4TH A WEEK FROM TODAY, YOU ALL WILL HAVE A MEETING AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE ACTION ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA FOR EACH OF THE THREE PLANS.
THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT IS, UH, WE WILL PRESENT, UM, THIS WORK AS WELL AS A NUMBER O OF OTHER IMPORTANT ITEMS UNRELATED TO WATER FORWARD TO THE AUSTIN WATER OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER THE 12TH.
SORRY, SHAY, IS THAT I CAN'T TELL.
IS THAT SHAY TALKING? YES, SORRY.
SHAY I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT PLEASE DO WE HAVE THE TIMES FOR THOSE MEETINGS? JUST SO I, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE I HAVE IT RIGHT ON MY CALENDAR.
SO THE AUSTIN WATER OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEETING ON NOVEMBER THE 12TH IS AT ONE 30 AND THAT WILL BE AT CITY HALL WATER AND WASTEWATER COMMISSION MEETING IS WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH AT 6:00 PM HERE AT WALLER CREEK CENTER.
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RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH AT 6:00 PM AND WHERE IS THAT LOCATED? IS THAT AUSTIN ENERGY? AUSTIN ENERGY HEADQUARTERS.AUSTIN ENERGY'S HEADQUARTERS ON MUELLER.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS, UH, NOVEMBER 21ST IN CHAMBERS AT 10:00 AM.
AND WHAT IS YOUR, UM, WISH AS FAR AS TASK FORCE SUPPORT AND AVAILABILITY AT ANY OF THESE MEETINGS? WE WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL AS ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, UH, PARTICULARLY TO THE AUSTIN WATER OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEETING ON NOVEMBER THE 12TH AND CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 21ST.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT LIKE IN THE PAST, LIKE I AND MAYBE SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE HAVE DONE THAT.
I'M ACTUALLY GONNA BE IN GALVESTON THE 12TH.
UM, SO MAYBE ROBERT, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE ON THE 12TH, UM, TO, TO HELP AT THE AUSTIN WATER OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT I, I AM NOT GONNA BE IN TOWN, UM, FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL OF COURSE, UM, I, I WILL CHECK AND OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, I CAN'T DO THE 12TH UNFORTUNATELY.
ONE, ONE OF MY STUDENTS IS DEFENDING.
UM, MAYBE IF, IF SOMEBODY THAT IS A TASK FORCE MEMBER IS AVAILABLE ON THE 12TH AT ONE 30 TO BE THERE WITH YOU ALL AND TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT OUR PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, SELF-IDENTIFY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I'M SORRY THAT, THAT IT'S, I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE'S CRAMMING EVERYTHING IN NOVEMBER RIGHT NOW.
UH, UM, WHAT ELSE WAS I GONNA SAY? I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UM, OH, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY ON THE TASK FORCE TO VISIT WITH THE PERSON THAT THAT PUT YOU HERE, YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR, OR THE MAYOR AND, UH, BILL'S CASE TO LET THEM KNOW, UM, OUR PROCESS AND WHERE WE ARE AND THAT THIS IS COMING.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, UH, WITH THE PERSON THAT APPOINTED ME.
SO, UM, I JUST THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IS MAKE SURE AND CIRCLE BACK AND LET FOLKS, LET FOLKS KNOW, 'CAUSE THIS IS A, THIS IS A, A BIG DELIVERABLE AND THERE'S THREE OF THEM COMING AT 'EM, WHICH IS NOT HOW WE USUALLY DO IT.
SO, UM, YEAH, AND WHATEVER YOU NEED TO SUPPORT YOU IN THAT, I'M SURE AUSTIN WATER CAN HELP PROVIDE IT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SHARE WHATEVER YOU WANT ABOUT THIS PROCESS AND IF YOU NEED SOME HELP, UH, LET US KNOW.
TWO O'CLOCK, 2 0 1, WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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