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TO, UH, THE NOVEMBER 6TH MEETING OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.UH, WE ARE MEETING HERE AT COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND, UH, I WILL REVIEW, UH, THE AGENDA AND, UH, DETERMINE EACH OF THE DIFFERENT CASES WE HAVE AND WHAT ACTION WE'LL BE TAKING.
UH, WE'LL ORGANIZE THAT AFTERWARDS WITH VOTES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND POSTPONEMENTS.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO OUR CASES.
UH, BUT WE'LL START AS WE DO WITH EACH OF OUR MEETINGS, UH, WITH THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.
AND AT THIS POINT, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP, UP? WOULD YOU LIKE TAKE ATTENDANCE FIRST? BEG YOUR PARDON? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE ATTENDANCE? I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING I MISSED.
SAM, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US THROUGH ATTENDANCE? OF COURSE.
COMMISSIONER WHITT FEATHERSTON IS ABSENT TONIGHT.
COMMISSIONER KEVIN COOK, PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER CARL LA ROCHE IS ABSENT TONIGHT.
COMMISSIONER RAYMOND CASTILLO.
COMMISSIONER RON RAYMOND RUBIO.
COMMISSIONER TYLER DUDLEY PRESENT.
UH, SO IF WE, UM, I KNOW WE HAVE A, A VERY SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALLEN UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE SOME INTRODUCTIONS? OH, I WAS JUST GONNA READ THE AGENDA, BUT, OH, OKAY.
SO, UH, MANY OF YOU MAY BE AWARE, BUT WE HAVE A, UH, FILLED POSITION THAT WE'RE VERY THRILLED WITH AND, UH, UH, ALLOW, UH, GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UH, HELLO, MY NAME IS KIM MCKNIGHT.
UH, I HAVE JUST STARTED MY THIRD DAY, OR WRAPPING UP MY THIRD DAY AS THE NEW DIVISION MANAGER FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO I'M EXTREMELY HONORED AND EXCITED TO BE JOINING THE INCREDIBLY TALENTED TEAM.
UM, AND JUST WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU, I'VE BEEN, UH, IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING AT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR NEARLY 15 YEARS.
UH, AND ACTUALLY WE'LL BE COMING UP TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FANNIE DAVIS GAZEBO, UH, ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUES THERE.
BUT JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE WARM WELCOME, UH, AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH ALL OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KIM.
AND, UH, WE, WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE SOME VERY BIG SHOES TO TRY TO FILL OVER IT PART, WE'RE NOT SURE HOW, BUT, UH, WE, WE ARE VERY PLEASED THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO JOIN US.
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LET'S GO AHEAD.UH, CALLEN, WOULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE AGENDA? UH, YES.
A WARM WELCOME TO KIM, UM, AT HER FIRST HLC MEETING.
UM, FIRST ITEM UP ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 2ND, 20, 24 MINUTES.
MOVING INTO OUR HISTORIC ZONING APPLICATIONS FOR TONIGHT.
ITEM TWO, PR 20 24 0 2 1 1 4 5 AT 73 0 4 KNOX LANE.
THIS IS A COMMISSION INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING AND IT IS OFFERED FOR DISCUSSION ITEM THREE C 14 H 20 24 0 1 0 2 AT 93 0 7 ROY BUTLER HY BIKE TRAIL.
THIS ITEM IS OFFERED FOR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR C 14 H 20 24 0 1 0 3 AT 1308 SPRINGDALE ROAD IS OFFERED FOR AN APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT ITEM FIVE C 14 H 20 24 0 1 23 AT 43 10 AVENUE H IS OFFERED FOR DISCUSSION.
AND ITEM SIX C 14 H 20 24 0 1 54 AT 1304 GUADALUPE STREET IS OFFERED FOR DISCUSSION.
OUR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS TONIGHT BEGIN WITH ITEM SEVEN, HR 20 24 0 4 0 2 9 1 AT 18 ZERO OR 1 8 0 7 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ STREET.
THIS IS AN APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT.
ITEM EIGHT, HR 20 24 0 9 5 1 4 2 25 0 4 BRIDAL PATH.
THIS IS ALSO AN APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT.
ITEM NINE, HR 20 24 1 2 1 9 8 8 AT TWO GREEN LANES IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT IN OUR NATIONAL REGISTER.
HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATIONS.
TONIGHT WE HAVE ITEM 10, HR 20 24, 1 0 6 5 0 3 AT 1106 TRAVIS HEIGHTS BOULEVARD OFFERED FOR CONSENT, 11 SB 20 24, 1 0 4 4 5 1.
AND ITEM 12 SB 20 24 1 4 4 6 4, BOTH AT THREE 12 AND CONGRESS AVENUE ARE OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
ITEM 13 DA 20 24 8 9 5 22 AT EIGHT 10 WEST 11TH STREET WILL BE A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT.
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ITEM 14, HR 2024.1 2 3 0 6 0 AT 1003 MAL STREET IS AN APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT.
ITEM 15, HR 20 24 1 3 0 5 6 4 AT 3000.
BRIER DRIVE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
1 3 3 7 0 6 AT 1505 TRAVIS HEIGHTS BOULEVARD IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
ITEM 17, HR 2 2 4 1 3 5 8 6 7 AT 1508 WESTOVER ROAD IS OFFERED FOR DISCUSSION.
ITEM 18, PR 20 24 1 2 4 1 2 0 AT 1600 PALMA PLAZA IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
AND FINALLY, UNDER DEMOLITIONS AND RELOCATIONS TONIGHT, ITEM 19, PR 2 2 4 0 4 3 0 3 5 AT 1702 EAST MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
BOULEVARD WILL BE AN APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT ITEM 20, PR 20 24 0 4 3 8 4 4 AT 1704 EAST MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
POSTPONEMENT ITEM 21, PR 20 24 0 9 6 3 4 3 AT 5 53 3 SAMUEL HOUSTON AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
ITEM 22 PR 20 24 1 2 5 7 4 0 AT 4 0 7 EAST SEVENTH STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
OUR COMMISSION ITEMS TONIGHT, UH, INCLUDE ITEM 23, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE 2025 ANNUAL MEETING SCHEDULE OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UH, NOW IF ANYONE HAS, UH, A REASON TO WANT TO PULL ONE OF THOSE CONSENT ITEMS, PLEASE GET MY ATTENTION AS I GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA OR THE CONSENT ITEMS ALL AT ONCE, AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THOSE TOGETHER.
IF IT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THEN IT WOULD BE APPROVED, UH, AS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO IF YOU WANT A PRESENTATION FOR ANY REASON, UH, OR HAVE ANY OTHER REASON TO, UH, NOT WANT IT TO BE ON CONSENT, PLEASE GET MY ATTENTION AS I READ THROUGH THE CONSENT ITEMS. THE FIRST CONSENT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, THE MINUTES OF OUR OCTOBER 2ND MEETING.
THE SECOND CONSENT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, AND THAT IS, UH, TWO GREEN LANES.
UH, THIS IS A REHABILITATION IN ADDITION AND, UH, AGAIN, OFFERED FOR CONSENT.
UH, AND, AND THAT IS IN A, UH, AND THAT THAT IS A, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, THESE OTHER ITEMS NOW ARE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT PERMIT APPLICATIONS, AND THE FIRST OF THOSE CONSENT ITEMS IS ITEM NUMBER 10 AT 1106 TRAVIS HEIGHTS BOULEVARD.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 11 AT THREE 12 AND A HALF CONGRESS AVENUE.
AND THAT IS ALSO PAIRED WITH ITEM 12, 3 12 AND A HALF CONGRESS AVENUE.
THOSE ARE SIGNED RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, OFFERED FOR CONSENT CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO PULL, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IS NOT THE VERTICAL BLADE FIN SIGN, BUT I'D LIKE TO PULL ONE OF THOSE THREE 12 OR BOTH.
UH, IF YOU, IF YOU KEEP IT TOGETHER, I THINK, I THINK THE TWO OF 'EM ARE REALLY TOGETHER, SO, OKAY.
IF YOU, I'D LIKE TO PULL THOSE.
I'D LIKE THAT CLARIFI CLARIFIED.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 15 IS THE NEXT, UH, CONSENT ITEM.
AND THAT IS AT, UH, 3000 BRIER DRIVE.
UH, THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION AND IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, ITEM NUMBER 16 15 0 5 TRAVIS HEIGHTS BOULEVARD IN THE TRAVIS HEIGHTS FAIRVIEW PARK NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, AN ADDITION AND A REMODEL, UH, ITEM NUMBER 18 AT, UH, 1600 PALMA PLAZA IN THE OLD WEST AUSTIN, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, UH, AGAIN, ALL OFFERED FOR CONSENT, UH, AS IT PERTAINS TO OUR DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION PERMIT REQUESTS.
ITEM NUMBER 21, UH, AT 53 0 3 SAMUEL A AVENUE, THIS IS A DEMOLITION REQUEST.
AND ITEM NUMBER 22 AT 4 0 7 EAST SEVENTH STREET.
UH, AGAIN, A DEMOLITION REQUEST.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE CONSENT ITEMS AND, UH, WITH THE TWO OF THEM PULLED, AND I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA AS STATED.
UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COOK, UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MWATER CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO BE SEEN OR SHOWN AS VOTING NO ON ITEM 21 AND 22.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS, UH, STILL CAN BE A CONSENT, BUT SO LONG AS EVERYBODY ELSE IS REGISTERED IN FAVOR, WE CAN THEN ALSO REGISTER.
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UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, RUBIO IS BEING, UH, A NO VOTE.UH, I BELIEVE THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.
AND SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION OR NO, THAT IS JUST RECORDED.
UH, SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE STILL HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY IN FAVOR.
IT'S STILL ON CONSENT, BUT THE RECORD WILL STATE THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIO, UH, REGISTERS HIS OBJECTION.
AND THAT IS, UH, INCLUDED IN THE MAKER'S, UH, THE MAKER OF THE, UH, CONSENT MOTION.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSING INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UH, THE NEXT ITEMS, UH, SO BY THE WAY, ANYBODY WHO HAD, UH, AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE ITEM HAS BEEN PASSED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND YOU'RE FREE TO GO.
UH, THE NEXT ITEMS ARE THOSE THAT ARE, UH, REQUESTED POSTPONEMENTS.
THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR AT 1308 SPRINGDALE ROAD.
UH, THE SECOND ONE IS AN APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT AT 1807 EAST CESAR CHAVEZ.
NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR AGENDA, UH, THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST.
THE, UH, NEXT ONE IS NUMBER EIGHT AT 25 0 4 BRIDAL PATH, AGAIN, AN APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT REQUEST.
AND WE HAVE ONE ITEM NUMBER 14 AT, UH, 1003 MILE PHRASE STREET.
UH, AGAIN, APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT.
AND ITEM NUMBER 19 AT 1704 EAST MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
UH, AGAIN, A REQUEST FOR APPLICANT REQUEST FOR POSTPONEMENT AND ALSO AT 1704 EAST MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
SO ALL OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED FOR A POSTPONEMENT TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE TO PASS THIS APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT AGENDA.
UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COOK, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RICK WATERER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATED BY RAISING YOUR HAND, AND ONCE AGAIN, IT IS UNANIMOUS.
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A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT IN THAT STAFF HAS, UH, MADE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, ON ITEM NUMBER 13, UH, THAT EIGHT 10 WEST 11TH STREET THAT, UH, THIS ITEM BE POSTPONED TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT, UH, TO HAVE MORE COMMUNITY INPUT UNLESS THE APPLICANT AGREES.IN WHICH CASE, WE CAN JUST ADD THAT TO, UH, OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
WE HAVE POSTED IT AS A DISCUSSION.
POSTPONEMENT IS THE APPLICANT HERE.
AND, AND WILL DO, DO YOU ACCEPT A POSTPONEMENT OR WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DISCUSS THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT POSTPONE THIS ITEM? UH, GOOD EVENING.
DREW RAEL, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER.
UH, WE DO NOT AGREE TO A POSTPONEMENT AND, OKAY.
THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW RIGHT NOW.
DISCUSSION, UH, THE POSTPONEMENT DISCUSSION THAT WE'LL HAVE ON THIS CASE AT THIS POINT IS JUST WHETHER OR NOT TO POSTPONE.
AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A VOTE AND IT WILL EITHER BE POSTPONED OR IT WILL STAY ON THE AGENDA IN ORDER AND BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO AT THIS POINT, UM, I'M SORRY YOU HAD TO GO BACK TO YOUR SEAT.
PLEASE, UH, THE APPLICANT TO COME AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
AND AGAIN, YOUR COMMENT SHOULD BE STRICTLY TO THE REASON WHY A POSTPONEMENT IS OR IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
UH, THAT WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS DREW RAEL ON BEHALF OF THE, UM, HONOR AND APPLICANT.
UM, I'M HERE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO, UH, REQUEST THE RELEASE OF THIS PERMIT, UH, FOR DEMOLITION.
UH, WE DO NOT WISH TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM.
UH, WE, UM, WE'RE HERE LAST MONTH, UM, AND REQUESTED THE SAME.
AND WE REQUEST THAT YOU RESPECTFULLY, UH, RELEASE IT THIS MONTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD REAL QUICK THAT WE HAVE A SPEAKER WHO IS IN FAVOR OF POSTPONEMENT TONIGHT AS WELL.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE DO, IS THERE ANY OTHER WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT'S POSITION? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE POSTPONEMENT? UH, YOU MAY COME TO THE MICROPHONE, IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND PLEASE STATE YOUR CASE.
AGAIN, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS ONLY TO THE JUSTIFICATION FOR POSTPONEMENT.
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GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.I'M HERE, UH, REQUESTING ANOTHER POSTPONEMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, I'M SPEAKING FOR THE OLD AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
OUR ASSOCIATION SPONSORED A HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY AT GREAT COST IN 2020.
WE, WE ONLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR THE POSTPONEMENT.
WE CAN'T GO INTO THE CASE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, THE REASONING IS, UH, THIS IS A HISTORIC RESOURCE CONTRIBUTING TO THE, UH, WEST AUSTIN DOWNTOWN, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
AND, UH, WE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN NEGOTIATION, UH, WITH THE, THE DEVELOPER AND WE ARE PROPOSING OPTIONS FOR THAT DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE, UM, ANOTHER POSTPONEMENT AT LEAST A MONTH, IF NOT SIX MONTHS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS DONNA CARTER AND I'M WITH CARTER DESIGN ASSOCIATES.
UM, I OFFICE AND I ACTUALLY OWN THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS.
AND I HAVE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS, UM, AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UH, DEVELOPER AND HAVE SEEN NO PLANS.
SO I WOULD LIKE A POSTPONEMENT JUST TO ALLOW THAT DISCUSSION TO OCCUR.
UH, MS. CARTER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING THIS EVENING.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE POSTPONEMENT? IF SO, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND THE RATIONALE FOR STRICTLY THE REASON FOR POSTPONEMENT OR NOT.
I'M ALSO WITH THE OLD DAWSON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND MY REASON FOR POSTPONEMENT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BE, UM, REMOVING A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY PLANS FOR WHAT WAS GONNA BE DONE IN ITS PLACE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF ABOUT THE POSTPONEMENT? OKAY.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN EVIDENCE WHAT THE MOTIVATION, UH, OF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS IS APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS STRICTLY THE ISSUE OF POSTPONEMENT IF THERE IS ANY DISCUSSION.
IF NOT, I WILL CALL THE QUESTION.
I'LL MOVE TO POSTPONE THE CASE TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THE CASE TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
I BELIEVE THAT IS, YES, THAT IS UNANIMOUS.
AND WE DO ENCOURAGE THE OWNER AND THE, UH, NEIGHBORS TO MAKE GOOD USE OF THIS TIME.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO HOPEFULLY FEEL SOME, UH, PROGRESS AS MADE WHEN WE SEE YOU NEXT.
ALRIGHT, THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE SEQUENCE OF OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
AND THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER TWO AND SEVEN.
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UH, AHEAD COMMUNICATIONS? OOPS.OH, DO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CITIZEN'S COMMUNICATION NOW.
WE ONLY HAVE I MISSED ON THAT.
WE HAVE, UH, TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP.
UH, FIRST UP WE HAVE MS. MEGAN KING, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
AGAIN, THIS IS A PART OF OUR AGENDA THAT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY ACTUAL CASE, BUT IS MORE GENERAL IN NATURE.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, MEGAN KING, POLICY AND OUTREACH PLANNER FOR PRESERVATION AUSTIN HERE WITH YOUR MONTHLY UPDATE.
UM, JUST WANTED TO ALERT YOU ALL THAT.
NEXT TUESDAY, UM, NOVEMBER 12TH, WE'RE HAVING OUR 64TH ANNUAL PRESERVATION MERIT AWARDS CELEBRATION.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME OF OUR HONORS HERE WITH US TODAY, INCLUDING MARK WOLF AND DONNA CARTER.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO CELEBRATE THEM AMONG OTHERS LIKE SUE SPEARS OF BETHANY CEMETERY, AND FORMER, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER AND PRESERVATION ADVOCATE, CHRIS RILEY.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT WINNERS.
UM, SO WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU ALL AND ANYBODY HERE WHO'S INTERESTED TO JOIN US, YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT@PRESERVATIONAUSTIN.ORG.
UH, AND WE DO HOPE THAT MANY OF YOU'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND GET TO, UH, CELEBRATE AS WELL AS GET TO KNOW THE ORGANIZATION.
UH, IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER, PLEASE? YES, WE HAVE MS. K ORLEY.
MY NAME IS KAY GORLEY AND I'M A REALTOR WITH COOPER SOTHEBY'S.
I AM REPRESENTING THE BERTHA SADDLER MEANS FAMILY THIS EVENING.
AND WE HAVE A HISTORIC HOUSE AT EIGHT 10 EAST 13TH STREET, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET.
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I'VE HAD SEVERAL DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND TEAR DOWN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT SITS ON A HALF AN ACRE.AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK THE HISTORIC COMMISSION PRESERVATION AUSTIN, UM, TO HELP US SAVE THIS HOUSE.
IT WAS BUILT IN 1876 BY AN IRISH IMMIGRANT.
UM, AND WE HAVE HIS CENSUS AS TO WHEN HE CAME HERE TO THE UNITED STATES, AND ALSO HE WAS A STONE MASON AS TO OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES THAT HE BUILT IN AUSTIN.
UM, AND THE MOST INTERESTING PART ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THAT IN 1905, IT WAS PURCHASED BY, UH, MR. JOHN FRASER, WHO WAS A FREE SLAVE, WHO BECAME, UM, PRESIDENT OF HOUSTON TILLISON COLLEGE.
AND THEN THE HOUSE WAS REGISTERED ON THE GREEN BOOK.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE GREEN BOOK MEANS, BUT IT WAS A PLACE THAT, UM, IT WAS A REGISTRY FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHO WERE TRAVELING THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES, WHERE IT WAS A SAFE PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY.
SO THIS HOUSE REPRESENTS A PLACE WHERE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN MATHEMATICIANS, SCIENTISTS, PHILOSOPHERS, MUSICIANS, STUDENTS THAT WOULD'VE STAYED IN THIS HOUSE.
UM, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE REFERENCE TO THIS.
WE ARE HAVING, UM, AN OPEN HOUSE THIS WEEKEND AND ALSO, UM, I'M HAVING FOR THE, UM, SWEET HILL.
THIS IS LOCATED IN SWEET HILL, UM, THAT WE'RE HAVING, UM, A RECEPTION.
AND I'M JUST HERE TO ASK FOR ANY HELP FROM THE HISTORIC, UM, PRESERVATION BECAUSE, UM, ANY BUYER THAT PURCHASES HIS HOUSE IS GONNA NEED, UM, UH, HELP IN IN, IN GETTING GRANTS TO PRESERVE THIS PROPERTY.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE COME OUT ON SUNDAY TO VIEW THE HOUSE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, UM, FROM NOON TO TWO.
UM, IT IS A AUSTIN LANDMARK CURRENTLY NOW, AND IT WAS ALSO PUT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTRY.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AS PART OF AUSTIN HISTORY, THAT IT REMAINS PART OF AUSTIN HISTORY.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN AUSTIN.
MY FATHER WAS A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL COACH AT OLD ANDERSON WHEN IT WAS SEGREGATED.
AND MY MOTHER WAS A LIBRARIAN AT, UM, DELL VALLEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO I HAD DEEP CONNECTIONS INTO THE EAST AUSTIN COMMUNITY BEING, UM, A PERSON FROM WEST AUSTIN THAT WAS ABLE TO EXPERIENCE EAST AUSTIN.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE, UM, HELP FROM THE, ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS OR TO PLEASE COME BY AND VIEW THIS HOUSE.
MS. CORLEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION.
I DO HOPE, UH, MANY PEOPLE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IT IS, IT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE.
AND, UH, WE REALLY DO WHAT WE CAN, I'M SURE TO, UH, SUPPORT, SUPPORT THE FAMILY'S EFFORTS.
I'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON THE LINEAGE OF THIS HOUSE, AND I'D LIKE TO PRESERVE IT IN, UM, AUSTIN HISTORY BOOKS.
AND, UM, THE SUBMISSION AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, UH, APPLICATION IS, IS VERY THOROUGH AND I THINK MAKES A VERY I IMPORTANT CASE FOR THE VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR.
AND, AND, AND, UH, THE FRAZIER CONNECTION, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, THIS IS, IS THIS BEING, WELL, I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT BEING THREATENED BY 35 EXPANSION, BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY CONCERNS WITH, WITH THAT OR IS THAT NOT TOUCHING THE BOUNDARIES? I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT CLOSELY, BUT I SEE IT'S OFF OF 35.
SO, SO, UM, FROM TALKING TO, UM, THE SWEET HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FROM, AND ALSO THE INFORMATION THAT I RECEIVED FROM TXDOT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT THERE IS A MEDICAL, AUSTIN'S GONNA CREATE A MEDICAL CENTER, UM, ACROSS, AND THEN THE, UH, THE UPPER LEVEL WILL DROP DOWN AND THE, THAT THERE WILL BE A GREEN SPACE, UM, WITH RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS THAT WILL CONNECT THIS AREA OF SWEET HILL TO THE NEW MEDICAL DISTRICT.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT I'VE BEEN A REALTOR FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS HERE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND WORKED, UM, PRIMARILY IN EAST AUSTIN, IS THAT, UH, I'VE HAD MANY DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE CONTACTED ME AND TOLD ME THAT THIS IS NOT THE BEST USE FOR THIS HOUSE, MEANING TO SAVE IT.
AND, UM, I REALLY WANT TO SAVE THIS HOUSE.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE HISTORY OF AUSTIN AND TO TELL THE STORY OF THE IMMIGRANTS FROM THE IRISH IMMIGRANTS TO, UH, JOHN FRAZIER, TO IT ALSO BEING ON THE GREEN BOOK.
WHAT THEY, WHICH I THINK IS VERY, VERY
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IMPORTANT, UM, THAT WE TRY AND SAVE THIS HOUSE.AND IT, BECAUSE IT SITS ON A HALF AN ACRE, IT'S VERY, UM, UM, DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING AT THIS TO POSSIBLY TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TO TEAR DOWN THIS HOUSE OR TO MAKE IT TO WHERE, UM, THE HOUSE, UM, GET ENGINEERS OR ARCHITECTS IN THERE TO SAY, OH, IT'S NOT STABLE.
BUT, UM, I'M CURRENTLY IN THE HOUSE NOW AND I'VE BEEN HOSTING PEOPLE AND I'M GONNA HOST, UM, SOME EVENTS THIS WEEKEND THAT I WOULD LOVE TO INVITE ALL OF YOU TO THE EVENTS.
UM, YOU WILL FIND THE HOUSE ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS AND LOVELY AND SOMETHING THAT AUSTIN NEEDS TO PRESERVE.
I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S RARE THAT WE GET SOMEONE THAT'S, THAT'S SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A WARNING SIGN, RIGHT? CANARY, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, BUT IT'S EVEN MORE FRUSTRATING FOR US THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO EMBOLDENED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE A HISTORIC PROPERTY, LET IT SIT BY A DEMOLITION OF NEGLECT AND WAIT RIGHT.
BECAUSE OF THESE PROPERTY RIGHTS, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO THAT PATH.
WE WANT TO, TO FIND THE RIGHT STEWARD, I THINK IS THE POINT.
AND, UM, I'VE REPRESENTED MANY HISTORIC HOUSES AND IT'S, YOU HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT BUYER.
I DO REPRESENT THE MEANS FAMILY.
THEY'RE A LEGACY HERE IN AUSTIN.
UM, OF COURSE THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA SELL THE HOUSE AND MOVE ON.
UH, BIRTH OF MEANS, UH, PASSED AWAY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
SHE WAS 102 YEARS OLD AND HER SON NOW, UH, JAMES BE, WHO IS IN HIS EIGHTIES, AND THEY NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES, AND WE NEED TO SELL THIS PROPERTY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THE RIGHT STEWARD.
AND BY ME SPEAKING HERE TONIGHT, WHETHER PRESERVATION AUSTIN HEARS ME, YOU HEAR ME, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HEARS ME THAT MAYBE WE CAN FIND THE RIGHT BUYER THAT UNDERSTANDS WHAT PRESERVATION, WHAT, WHAT PRESERVATION OF THIS HOUSE MEANS TO THE HISTORY OF AUSTIN.
AND ALSO BECAUSE THE LOT DOES SIT ON A HALF AN ACRE, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR ADUS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE, IT WAS ONCE A BOARDING HOUSE, POSSIBLY IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INTERESTING INTO MAKING IT BACK INTO A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, WHICH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WOULD, UM, INVITE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY DON'T WANT AN AIRBNB, BUT TO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT INTO MAYBE A MUSEUM OR MAY MAKE IT INTO A HOTEL WHERE, UM, YOU'RE EXHIBITING, UM, THE TWO FAMILIES, THE LIMERICK FAMILY AND THE FRAZIER FAMILY WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY THIS HOUSE PART OF AUSTIN'S HISTORY THAT BEING BORN AND RAISED IN AUSTIN, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THIS HOUSE NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED, 200 YEARS.
NOT KNOWING THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING, IT WAS BUILT IN 1876.
I'M READING ON THE SURVEY, BUT IT, THAT'S ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION, IS THAT CORRECT? OR WAS IT MOVED? NO, THAT IS THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.
AND I, I INVITE YOU TO PLEASE COME AND SEE IT.
IT'S THERE, THERE, THE BACK PART THAT AN EXTENSION DOES NEED SOME FOUNDATION WORK.
SO WHOEVER BUYS A HOUSE AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE KITCHEN'S OUTDATED.
THEY'RE FROM THE 1980S MM-HMM,
BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN IN THE HOUSE, STAYING IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY COMING UP, KNOCKING ON THE DOORS.
THEY WANNA SEE THE HOUSE, THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THE HOUSE.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT SOMEBODY COULD ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE HOUSE THE WAY IT IS NOW.
UM, IT DOES NOT HAVE CENTRAL AC BUT IT DOES HAVE A FURNACE SYSTEM THAT GOES THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
IT COULD BE EASILY, UM, PUT AN HVAC SYSTEM IN, IN, IN, INTO THAT SPACE WHERE THERE'S DUCKING AND IT ALLOWS FOR THAT.
UM, ACTUALLY AT THIS POINT, SQUARELY, I HAVE TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
UH, I DO THINK THAT ALSO WITH THE I 35, UH, CAPPING EXPANSION, THIS WOULD BE AN AMAZING RESOURCE RIGHT THERE FOR ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES IN THIS WONDERFUL PUBLIC SPACE.
SO THINKING LONG TERM, THE VALUE OF THAT HOUSE AS CELEBRATING AUSTIN, BUT ALSO BEING AN AMENITY, UH, RELATED FACILITY, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH, UH, YOU AND, AND HOPEFULLY THE FUTURE OWNERS.
MAY I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? A QUICK ONE? OKAY.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, LEARNING ABOUT JOSEPH LIMERICK'S JOURNEY TO AMERICA AND THEN OF COURSE JOHN FRAZIER AND HIS JOURNEY HERE, THAT IF YOU PUT, YOU KNOW, THE IRISH OPPRESSION AND HOW THEY CAME TO AMERICA AND THEN PUT JOHN FRAZIER, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PUTTING THESE TWO FAMILIES TOGETHER, IT MAKES A VERY INTERESTING HISTORY BECAUSE SWEET HILL WAS MOSTLY, UM, BUILT BY GERMANS.
SO IT'S VERY UNIQUE TO HAVE AN IRISHMAN BUILD
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THIS HOUSE AND THEN TO HAVE, UH, JOHN FRAZIER, WHO WAS A FREE SLAVE WHO BOUGHT THIS HOUSE.SO IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY UNIQUE FOR AUSTIN TO SAVE AND PRESERVE THIS HISTORY.
UM, AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC, UH, CITIZENS COMMUNICATION? ALRIGHT, NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR AGENDA.
AND THE FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM IS
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ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, HISTORIC ZONING APPLICATION.AND THIS IS AT 73 0 4 KNOX LANE COMMISSIONERS.
THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR AGENDA, UH, FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUTTING INTO THIS.
SO, UH, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO CALLEN.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS, UH, AN APPLICATION, UM, INITIATED BY THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION BACK IN SEPTEMBER FOR RUNNING ROPE RANCH AT 73 0 4 KNOX LANE.
UM, THIS ITEM HAS COME BEFORE US SEVERAL TIMES, UM, SINCE MAY OF THIS YEAR, AND ALSO IN 2023 UNDER, UM, A DIFFERENT APPLICATION.
AND AT THIS POINT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AFTER, UH, LEARNING SOME MORE FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEIR TEAM IS TO NOT RECOMMEND HISTORIC ZONING FOR THE MAIN HOUSE IF THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO RELOCATE TWO OF THE HISTORIC AGE OUTBUILDINGS ON SITE AND TO PROTECT THE, THE EXISTING HISTORIC LANDSCAPE FEATURES, INCLUDING THE SPRING FED POOL AND NATIVE AMERICAN BIN SITES, UM, ON THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS RELEASE OF THE RELOCATION PERMITS UPON RECEIPT OF A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE FOR ALL STRUCTURES, AS WELL AS A PLAN FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL MONITORING IN THE SITE AS REQUESTED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
UM, AND THE REASON FOR THIS CHANGE IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, EIGHTIES AND NINETIES ERAS ERA ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS HAVE PROVEN TO REDUCE THE MAIN BUILDING'S INTEGRITY.
UM, SO STAFF NO LONGER BELIEVES THAT THE MAIN HOUSE RETAINS SUFFICIENT INTEGRITY TO CONVEY ITS TRUE HISTORIC ERA APPEARANCE.
HOWEVER, UM, TWO OUTBUILDINGS ON SITE THAT AREN'T REFERENCED IN, UM, THIS ITEM, WHICH IS PR 2 2 4 0 2 1 1 4 5 DO RETAIN SUFFICIENT INTEGRITY AND THEY INCLUDE ATTACK BARN DATING TO RUNNING ROPE BRANCH AND A MUCH OLDER CEDAR CABIN THAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MOVED TO ITS CURRENT LOCATION, UH, POTENTIALLY FROM ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE.
SO THIS OLDEST STRUCTURE ON THE SITE, A LOG CABIN, UM, HAS BEEN ADDED ONTO OVER THE YEARS, BUT IT STILL RETAINS ITS ORIGINAL FORM BENEATH THE NOX AREA, ACCRETIONS, UM, OF A SHED AND A LEAN TO IT'S HUE.
LOG WALLS ARE OF CEDAR AND THOUGH NO FOUNDATION IS PRESENT FLAGS LINE, THE STOOP AND INTERIOR THE BUILDING LIKELY DATES FROM THE LATE 19TH CENTURY WHEN THE ORIGINAL INHABIT INHABITANTS OF THE AREA WERE WORKING TO LAND AS CEDAR SHOPPERS.
THOUGH THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION ON THE SITE, THE TACK BARN WAS CONSTRICTED DURING THE OPERATION OF THE RUNNING ROPE BRANCH AND WAS ORIGINALLY LOCATED AT THE HEAD OF A RIDING TRAIL.
ITS VERTICAL CEDAR SIDING IS INTACT AND ARTICULATED PROJECTIONS FOR HANGING SADDLES AND T ARE STILL EX EXTENT THE BUILDING RETAINS ITS CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES AS PART OF A WORKING STABLE.
THIS PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE KNOX FAMILY AND RUNNING ROPE BRANCH AND THE FARMSTEAD MAY HAVE AN EARLIER ASSOCIATION WITH THE SPICEWOOD SPRING SETTLEMENT SERVED BY THE ESPERANZA SCHOOL.
THE KNOX PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED AS A TEXAS STATE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE IN 1969, THOUGH IT APPEARS ONLY A CURSORY SURVEY OF TWO MIDDENS WAS COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.
NOTES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADJACENT WALTER CARRINGTON SUBDIVISION SUGGEST THAT THE LISTING OF THE PROPERTY WAS DONE TO FOSTER GOODWILL WITH THE NORTHWEST HILLS RESIDENCE AT THE TIME, CONSIDERING THE INACTION OF THE TEXAS ANTIQUITIES CODE.
UM, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN NOTED IN SEVERAL NORTHWEST AUSTIN CIVIC ASSOCIATION PUBLICATIONS AND BY NEIGHBORS AS A COMMUNITY FIXTURE FOR MANY YEARS, UH, DURING THE KNOX FAMILY'S OCCUPANCY.
AND IT ALSO MAY BE OF VALUE AS, UH, ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING INDICATORS OF THE ORIGINAL SPICEWOOD COMMUNITY SERVED BY THE ESPERANZA SCHOOL.
WHILE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL RANCH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND SOME OUTBUILDINGS REMOVED NATURAL SPRINGS IN A SPRING FED SWIMMING POOL REMAIN.
THESE LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS SHOW THE PROGRESSION OF THE SITE AND ITS OCCUPANTS NEEDS AS NATURAL SPRINGS WERE LIKELY USED BY THE SITE'S ORIGINAL NATIVE AMERICAN RESIDENTS.
UM, AND, UH, GIVEN THE INTEGRITY AND ALTERATIONS OF THE MAIN HOUSE THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, UH, WE THINK THAT THIS IS, UH, A GOOD COMPROMISE TO RETAIN THE BUILDINGS THAT DO HAVE INTEGRITY AND ASSOCIATIONS WITH THIS SITE.
UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, AND THEN IN THE, IN AS FAR AS THE ACTION TONIGHT, UH, YOU ARE NOT IN THAT REGARD RE REQUESTING THAT OR, OR RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE ALSO ADDED HISTORIC ZONING? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THIS APPLICATION, UM, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING AT WHICH WE CAN HEAR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
SO LOGISTICALLY, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO ACT TONIGHT.
UM, AND GIVEN THAT THE MAIN BUILDING ON THE APPLICATION, UM, DOESN'T INCLUDE THE RELOCATION OF THESE TWO STRUCTURES, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO FORMULATE A MOTION THAT THAT ENCAPSULATED THAT AS WELL.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I HAVE SOME
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QUESTIONS.UM, I'M NOT SEEING BACKUP OF THESE OTHER TWO STRUCTURES PHOTOS.
THERE SHOULD BE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION THAT THEY'LL GO THROUGH, UH, THAT INCLUDES PHOTOS.
I DON'T SEE, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING VERY CLEAR OF THIS.
IS THIS BARN, THIS IS THIS LOG STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, IS ANYBODY ELSE SEEING THAT? 'CAUSE I'M NOT SEEING THIS IN ANY OF THESE PRESENTATIONS.
MAYBE THEY'LL, THEY'LL SHOW IT IN THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION HERE.
THERE, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THERE, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S MORE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT HISTORIC PHOTOS OF, OF THE HOME? I ONLY SEE LIKE A MAGAZINE ARTICLE WITH THE HOME IN THE BACKGROUND.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
IS WAS THERE ANY HISTORIC PHOTOS OR OF THE, UH, OF THE MAIN HOUSE? MAIN HOUSE THERE ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, THE ONES THAT SAM HAD ON THE SCREEN JUST NOW ARE OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
AM I, AM I CRAZY? THESE PHOTOS DON'T REALLY TELL ME ANYTHING.
WELL, WE ONLY WHEN WE HAVE THE, THE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT WITH PIECES MISSING, SO I IMAGINE THAT THEY HAVE ADDED TO IT SINCE THEN.
WE, SINCE WE HAVE, UH, BEEN THE ONES INITIATING HISTORIC ZONING, UH, IT'S SORT OF A BACKWARDS, UH, APPLICATION.
UH, WE CAN ASK IF THERE IS ANYBODY IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC ZONING, UH, IF WE FOLLOW OUR PROCEDURE.
SO LET ME FIRST ASK, IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC ZONING FROM THE PUBLIC? WE HAVE SOMEBODY ONLINE WHO IS OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND SPEAK AND WE DO HAVE, UH, YEAH, ACTUALLY IS IT TWO PEOPLE? NO, ONE PERSON WHO SIGNED UP IN PERSON.
UM, I LIVE ON RUNNING ROPE, UM, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS AREA.
UH, I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE CONTEXT THAT Y'ALL CONSIDER, UH, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BURN ROCK MIDDENS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THERE IS A GENTLEMAN NAMED DR.
EMOT DAVIS, WHO'S NOW PASSED AWAY, WHO IS A HARVARD EDUCATED, UH, ARCHEOLOGY PROFESSOR, WHO IS THE PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SITE BEING DEEMED A TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION SITE.
UH, HE LOOKED AT THIS SITE IN 1969.
IT HAS A NUMBER THAT SHOWS UP ON THE SITE ATLAS.
UH, WHAT HE FOUND WERE TWO BURNED ROCK MIDDENS, WHICH ARE A, A FEATURE THAT WAS USED BY NATIVE AMERICANS TO COOK, UM, TYPICALLY NEAR SOURCES OF WATER.
VERY COMMON, UH, ORIGINALLY ALONG THE EDWARDS PLATEAU AROUND SOURCES OF WATER, BUT NOT COMMON AT ALL, UH, IN THEIR, IN OUR AREA OR INSIDE THE AUSTIN CITY LIMITS.
UM, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THESE ARE NOT LOCATED ON THE MAPS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T SEE THEM ON THE PLAT, I DON'T SEE THEM IN ANY OF THE PRESENTATIONS.
I HAVE CONCERNS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE PRESERVED, THEY'LL NOT BE PROTECTED.
UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF INDICATIONS IN THE PRESENTATION THAT I LOOKED AT THAT SAID THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES, UH, PRESENT ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE HAVE A NOTE IN THE FILE FROM DR. DAVIS.
HE WAS AN EXPERT ON, UH, NATIVE AMERICAN SITES, PALEOLITHIC SITES, UH, VERY WELL REGARDED.
UM, AND HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS LOOKING AT.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S NOT CALLED OUT.
ALSO, THERE ARE NOTES THAT SAY THAT THERE MAY BE UP TO SEVEN SPRINGS, UM, THAT ARE ON THE SITE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE SPRINGS ARE.
I DON'T SEE THEM NOTED ANYWHERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE RECHARGE ZONES ARE FOR THOSE SPRINGS.
THERE IS A NOTE ABOUT, UH, THE POTENTIAL PRESENCE OF A ENDANGERED SALAMANDER IN THOSE SPRINGS.
UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN A HYDROLOGICAL STUDY, UH, OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT ADDRESSES THESE CONCERNS.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS A PLAN TO PACK AS MANY HOUSES AS POSSIBLE AND PAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON A PROPERTY THAT CONTAINS WETLANDS, UH, AND NATIVE AMERICAN SITES.
AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN ADEQUATE INVESTIGATION.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INQUIRY AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN A HYDROLOGICAL STUDY.
UH, I THINK THIS IS A PROPERTY OF TREMENDOUS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE GIVEN ITS LOCATION, GIVEN ITS HISTORY.
UM, AND I FRANKLY, I, I KNOW WE'RE HERE, THIS IS A, WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL STUFF, BUT I THINK REALLY IT'S A HISTORICAL ISSUE.
UH, AND IT'S A HISTORICAL ISSUE THAT PREDATES WHAT WE CONSIDER ARCHITECTURE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT AND LESS OR NO.
UH, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UM, ALSO AS A NEIGHBOR, I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL AT MY OFFICE FROM A STAFFER THAT WORKS FOR THE LAW FIRM THAT REPRESENTS THE DEVELOPER, BUT THERE HAS BEEN NO CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE PLANS OR THE EFFECTS OF THE PLANS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ON THIS RESOURCE, UH, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL GREEN SPACE IN AN AREA THAT NEEDS MORE OF IT.
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THAT IS YOUR TIME, UH, COMMISSION.ANY QUESTION, UH, FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, CAN I'M, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE ARCHE ARCHEOLOGY AND, YOU KNOW, SEPARATING IT FROM THE ARCHITECTURE.
I'M CURIOUS TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS ABOUT THE HOUSE BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS NOW SUGGESTING THAT THE HOUSE, BECAUSE OF ITS MODIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, RECENT MODIFICATIONS THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE ELIGIBLE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON, ON THE HOUSE AND ITS, ITS TIME.
I DUNNO HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED THERE, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO THE COMMUNITY SENTIMENT ON THAT.
I'M NOT AN ARCHEOLOGICAL OR AN ARCHITECT.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ARCHITECTURE.
UM, IT, IT'S A VERY OLD HOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET.
UH, IT'S A LONG HISTORICAL FEATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MRS. KNOX LIVED THERE, UH, DURING MY TIME.
UH, SHE LIVED, UH, FORTUNATELY WE WERE, WE WERE BLESSED WITH HER PRESENCE FOR A LONG TIME.
SHE LIVED A GOOD LIFE, FULL LIFE.
UH, IT USED TO BE A YOUTH CAMP.
UH, THE AREA IS BELOVED BY THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE KIDS CAN GO DOWN AND PLAY AT THE POOL.
MY SON HAS CAUGHT A RATHER LARGE RED EARED SLIDER THERE, WHICH WE DIDN'T LET GO THERE AGAIN.
UM, SO THE AREA IS, IS ONE THAT, THAT'S ENJOYED BY EVERYONE AS TO THE HOUSE.
I'VE NOT BEEN INSIDE THE HOUSE.
I'VE SEEN IT FROM THE OUTSIDE.
UM, IT, TO ME, IT, IT LOOKED FINE UNTIL NOTHING WAS DONE TO IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
UH, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE ONLINE, UH, MR. EDWIN RICHARDS.
UH, MR. RICHARDS, UH, IF YOU WILL, UM, THINK HAVE THE FLOOR, IF WE CAN HAVE YOU SPEAK TO YOUR PHONE OR YOU NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
IS MR. RICHARDS ON THE LINE? WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET, GET HIM THROUGH.
MR. RICHARDS, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, YOU CAN PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
MR. RICHARDS, IF YOU'RE THERE, YOU MAY BEGIN YOUR, THIS IS ED DISCUSSION.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE RIGHT FORUM.
I, I HAD CONCERNS, UH, AS A NEIGHBOR I LIVE ON AT KNOX AND RUNNING ROPE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE PROJECT, UH, NAMELY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE GATED ENTRY.
AND SO THIS MAY BE THE WRONG FORUM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA HAVE TO YES, UH, HOLD YOU UP ON THAT.
THIS IS THE, AS THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS OVERVIEW, WHICH IS OUR ONLY PURVIEW, UH, WHATEVER IS RELEVANT TO THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S POTENTIAL FOR PRESERVATION.
SO, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDING OTHER FEATURES OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT REALLY IS NOT GERMANE TO THIS COMMISSION'S PURVIEW.
SO IF YOU COULD LIMIT YOUR REMARKS MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE PRESERVATION COMPONENTS, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
WELL, UH, THEN THINKING ON MY FEET HERE A LITTLE BIT, I HAVE BEEN IN THE HOME, UH, UH, I DOUBT YOU WANT MY ANECDOTAL OBSERVATIONS FROM WHEN MRS. KNOX WAS ALIVE.
I THINK SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T GET AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY RISING UP ABOUT WHAT THIS HOUSE MEANT, IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS ON PRIVATE LAND AND WE DIDN'T HAVE RAMPANT ACCESS TO IT.
UH, SO PEOPLE REALLY SAW IT FROM NOT FLYING.
AND SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT JUST MEANS WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE READY ACCESS TO IT, OBVIOUSLY.
'CAUSE IT WAS MISS KNOX'S LAND.
AND, UH, AND I, I'VE, YOU, YOU ARE SIGNED UP AS AN, UH, OPPONENT OF THE PROJECT, BUT IN THAT CASE, WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTING THIS CURRENT REQUEST THAT HAS BEEN MADE FROM THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER HISTORIC ZONING? YEAH, I, I WON'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORS, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT ZONING IT HISTORICALLY.
SO YES, I'D BE, UH, IN FAVOR OF THAT.
AND ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, BEFORE YOU RUN OVER TIME OR COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF, UH, MR. RICHARDS? OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS WHO ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE HISTORIC RECOMMENDATION? UH, THE, THE NOMINATION.
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ALRIGHT.HEARING NONE, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE OWNERS AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR.
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WE'LL BE READY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
HI, I'M LEAH BOJO WITH RENER GROUP HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL TRY TO GO EFFICIENTLY.
I KNOW, UM, MS. CONTRERAS COVERED, UM, SOME OF WHAT I WAS HERE TO TALK ABOUT OR PLANNING TO TALK ABOUT, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT 73 0 4 KNOX LANE, WHICH I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE HEARD ABOUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES.
OH, CAN WE ADVANCE THIS? THERE WE GO.
UM, SO JUST TO, TO REORIENT EVERYBODY, THIS IS ABOUT A FIVE AND, UH, JUST UNDER SIX ACRE PROPERTY NORTHWEST AUSTIN.
IT INCLUDES THE ONE 1940S ERA HOME, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS PERMIT AS WE'VE SORT OF DISCUSSED HERE.
UM, THE HOME IS ABOUT 1600 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE, UM, THROUGH THE FINDINGS THAT MS. CARTER WILL GO INTO IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, THERE ARE SEVERAL OUTBUILDINGS THAT WE'VE COME ACROSS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AS WELL.
UM, HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN BOTH A PRIVATE RESIDENCE AND THEN THE RUNNING ROPE BRANCH DAY CAMP FOR BOYS FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS, I THINK IN THE FIFTIES.
SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THE BEGINNING JUST SO YOU COULD HAVE IT IN MIND AS WE MOVE THROUGH IT.
SO AS, UM, AS CALL DESCRIBED, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS AGAINST HISTORIC ZONING FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEN TO ALLOW DEMOLITION OF THAT RESIDENCE, UM, CONDITIONAL UPON THESE THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY THE DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE AND THEN RELOCATING THE TAX SHED AND THE LOG CABIN, WHICH WE DO HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF COMMISSIONER RUBIO AND WE WILL SHOW YOU IN A FEW MINUTES, UM, TO THE PART OF THE SITE THAT ALSO HAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THE SPRINGS ARE AND WHERE A LOT OF THE, UM, NATIVE AMERICAN ACTIVITY HAS BEEN.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION OF THE, OF THE SITE, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE THOSE THINGS.
UM, WE ARE, IN ADDITION TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE SUGGESTING A HISTORICAL, HISTORICAL MARKER OR KIOSK EXPLAINING THE RELEVANCE OF THE SITE OVERALL, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF IT.
UM, AND THEN USING THAT AS A SORT OF A TRAILHEAD OR SOME KIND OF LIKE STARTING POINT FOR A WALKING TRAIL THROUGH THE SITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE IT.
WHEN YOU SEE THE SHAPE, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD REALLY POTENTIALLY MAKE SENSE.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO CALLING FOR, UM, SHOVEL TESTS TO HELP ASSESS THE ARCHEOLOGICAL POTENTIAL WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF DOING, UM, DEMOLITION WORK.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT IS, UM, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
UM, SO HERE IS JUST ONE PICTURE OF THE RESIDENCE, JUST SO EVERYONE HA HAS IT IN MIND.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, SORRY, ARE YOU DOING IT OR AM I DOING IT? UH, YOU ARE
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPERTY IS 50 YEARS OLD, THE STRUCTURE IS 50 YEARS OLD, BUT AS MS. CALLAN DESCRIBED, AND MS. CARTER WILL DESCRIBE MORE IN A MINUTE, UM, THE, THE INTEGRITY REALLY HAS BEEN COMPROMISED THROUGH A SERIES OF, OF REMODELS AND RENOVATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN WE STARTED OFF ON THIS, THIS, UM, THIS WORK, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA TRY TO FIND KIND OF THE KERNEL OF THE BUILDING SO THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHERE THE IMPORTANT PART WAS AND USE THAT IN SOME KIND OF PUBLIC WAY.
BUT IT TURNS OUT, UM, THAT THERE ISN'T REALLY, UM, AN ORIGINAL KERNEL OF THE BUILDING.
LIKE WE HAD, WE HAD THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE.
UM, SO THIS IS, UM, JUST A, A GENERAL MAP OF THE SITE TO SHOW YOU HOW THAT ENTIRE FLAG IS.
THAT'S, THAT'S ACHED IS, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY PROTECTED AREA.
SOME OF IT IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, SOME OF IT IS CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE.
THAT'S WHERE THE SPRINGS AND THE WETLAND ARE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD MOVE THOSE SMALLER BUILDINGS AND PUT THE TRAIL AND THE TRAIL AND THE TRAIL HEAD AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF, UM, STUFF ALL IN THAT AREA WHERE THAT, UM, HISTORY HAS TAKEN PLACE.
AND THIS IS WHERE I'LL HAND IT OVER TO DONNA TO DESCRIBE IN MORE DETAIL.
UM, THE OVERLAY THAT YOU SEE THERE IS THAT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AREA THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THIS IS THE, BUT THE HOUSE AND THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ARE VERY MUCH, UH, CONCENTRATED ON THE FAT PART OF THAT FLAG, AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, CAMP WAS AND EVERYTHING.
AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW THE E VERY QUICK EVOLUTION OF WHAT WE THINK THE BUILDING WAS.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN DARK GRAY, WE THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A COVERED PORCH OR A PORCH ENTRY, AND THEN SOME SORT OF COVERED PORCH IN THE BACKGROUND ON THE BACK.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS AN ADDITION.
UM, AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT OCCURRED, BUT IT WAS SOMETIME BETWEEN THE FORTIES, UM, AND THIS 1965, UM, MAP WHERE WE SEE THE ADDITION SHOW UP.
UM, IT, IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE IN THE FIFTIES PHOTOS.
SO WE, WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE ON THAT NEXT SLIDE.
WHEN WE GET TO THE SEVENTIES, WE SEE THAT AGAIN.
AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT, UM, AND WE WOULD
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HAVE THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, THAT BEDROOM, THE SORT OF LIVING ROOM PARLOR WITH THE CHIMNEY WITH THE, UM, FIREPLACE WOULD HAVE BEEN INTACT.UM, NEXT SLIDE IN THE EIGHTIES, UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT A GREEN STUCCO, UM, BUILDING.
UM, AND THAT, THAT THAT BUILDING HAD BEEN THERE FOR 75 YEARS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT IT CLOSELY, WE SEE THAT AS THE END OF WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WITHOUT THE ADDITION TO IT WITH THE ORIGINAL PORCH BEHIND IT NEXT IN THE EIGHTIES.
UM, UH, WE JUST SEE THE ADDITION AGAIN AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO THE NINETIES, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BUILDING PERMITS AND THAT'S WHEN, UM, THE LARGE GABLE, UM, AND MUCH OF THE WORK IS DONE.
THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE SEEING NOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE ORIGINAL WINDOW.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS BASICALLY HOME DEPOT, UM, CLAMPED ON MUNTONS MADE TO LOOK THAT WAY.
ALL OF THE TURNED WOOD WE SEE IS ACTUALLY MODERN WOOD, PROBABLY CAME FROM FREDERICK'S SCREEN.
UM, IT IS KIND OF VICTORIAN BRICKA BRACK.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE BLUE AREA IS REALLY FROM 1990.
SOMEONE MIGHT WANNA SAVE IT, BUT IT DOESN'T REACH THE HISTORIC, UM, TIME PERIOD.
THE ORANGE PART IS ACTUALLY THE ADDITION AND IT'S ONLY THE LITTLE PEAK IN THE MIDDLE THAT WE THINK BELONGED TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
WHEN WE PEEL BACK THAT INTERIOR, UM, FINISH, I CAN'T FIND THE STUCCO.
WHAT I FIND ARE BOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN STOLEN FROM PLACES AND THEN PUT TO, TO REUSE NEXT SLIDE.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN LIKE A, JUST AN OPEN COVERED, UM, LEAN-TO, IT'S NOW BEEN ENCLOSED, BUT ALL OF THE WINDOWS, ALL OF THE SIDING IS MODERN.
THE BOR AND BATTEN ACTUALLY CAME IN THE NINETIES.
THIS ACTUALLY IS, WOULD'VE BEEN THE ORIGINAL PARLOR ROOM, AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
IT'S SORT OF WHAT I WOULD'VE CALLED NAUGHTY PINE.
I GUESS IT'S THE SOUTHERN VERSION OF NAUGHTY PINE HAS BEEN PUT IN JUST ABOUT EVERY ROOM.
THERE ARE A FEW ROOMS THAT HAVE ORIGINAL PINE, BUT THEY'VE BEEN RIPPED UP AND THEY'VE JUST BEEN NAILED AS A FINISH IN CERTAIN PLACES.
THAT DOOR IS A LATER DOOR, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT CONSIDERABLY COULD BE HISTORIC, BUT IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL DOOR TO THAT SPACE.
AS YOU, THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE DID PULL AWAY AND LOOK AT.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT FINDING THE STUCCO, I'M FINDING BOARDS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED AS SHEATHING, UM, AS THE PAINT.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY DISCONTINUOUS, UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES.
ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS AGAIN THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE DIVIDED LIGHTS, THOSE ARE ALL MODERN, UM, WINDOWS.
THIS IS AN OVERVIEW KIND OF AS YOU'RE LOOKING OUT INTO THAT, UM, INTO THE EMPTY AREA OR THE, THE RANCH PART.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE DOTTING OF THESE, OF THESE OLDER BUILDINGS.
MOST OF THE BUILDINGS, OR SEVERAL OF THE BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY ON SKIDS.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY JUST MOVE THEM AROUND.
UM, ONE, UH, PIN BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN, UM, OVERBUILT WITH SHEDS.
UM, WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE IT WAS MOVED FROM, BUT THE SHADOWS THAT WE SEE WITHIN THIS TREE FROM THE FORTIES SEEM TO SAY THAT THIS BUILDING OR SOMETHING THIS SIZE WAS THERE EVEN IN THE, AT THE FORTIES.
THIS IS AN OLDER STRUCTURE, BUT IT IS SQUARE.
THIS IS THE TACK BUILDING, WHICH IS ON SKIDS, AND THEN THE INTERIOR OF THAT TACK BUILDING.
SO, UM, LOOKING MORE CLOSELY AT HOW THE THE LAND IS, IS BEING PARSED OUT, THAT CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE, UM, HOW THAT IS ACCESSED WILL BE A PART OF THE FUTURE PROJECT.
AS YOU SAID, IT COULD BE PART OF A WALKING TRAIL, BUT THAT IS WHERE THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES ARE.
AS YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT PUBLICLY PUBLISH THE EXACT LOCATION OF THOSE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES.
WE DO HAVE THE NUMBER, WE DO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
WE ARE PROPOSING THAT AS CONSTRUCTION BEGINS IN THE RANCH, THAT ARCHEOLOGY CONTINUES, THAT NO BELOW SURFACE WOULD HAPPEN WITHOUT SOME KIND OF MONITORING OR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT MIGHT BE FOUND IN THOSE LOCATIONS.
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EASEMENT AND THE CRITICAL, THE CEF, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OR VERY LIGHT CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE TO BE MONITORED BECAUSE OF THE VERY THINGS THAT MR. FITZ YOU TALKED ABOUT.BUT WE DO HAVE PLACES THAT WE CAN, WE CAN WORK AND KIND OF, UM, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UH, AGENCY OVER IN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
AND THAT IT REALLY IS NOT ONLY PART OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, BUT COULD BE ACCESSIBLE BY, UM, BY THE NEIGHBORS.
IT IS A UNIQUE SITE, BUT AS WE LOOKED INTO IT, AND BELIEVE ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SAVE EVERY BUILDING OUT THERE, BUT I COULD NOT FIND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REALLY SAY, THIS IS WHAT IT WAS.
THIS IS HOW IT WOULD HAVE LOOKED AS AN ORIGINAL FARMHOUSE BUILDING BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE OTHER ACCOUTREMENT.
IT WAS A VERY CLEAR AESTHETIC THAT THE, THE FAMILY HAD.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE BACK TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE DO FEEL DOCUMENTATION NOT ONLY OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT THE LANDSCAPE WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT, UH, THING TO, FOR THE CITY TO, TO ASK FOR AND FOR THE, FOR US TO DO.
AND IT IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THE HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, NOT JUST ONE BUILDING, NOT JUST ARCHITECTURE BE DISCUSSED.
AND, AND WE LET YOU RUN OVER BECAUSE IN MANY WAYS YOU WERE THE PRIMARY SPEAKER.
WE, WE KNEW YOU HAD THE PRESENTATION, SO THANK YOU.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF EITHER THE MS. BOGGIO OR MS. CARTER? YEP, GO AHEAD.
UH, SEVERAL QUESTIONS PROBABLY OF BOTH IN TURN.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT REPORT AND THAT RESEARCH.
THAT'S REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR RELOCATION ON SITE.
I'D SEEN SOMEWHERE, UM, REQUEST FROM THE OWNER FOR STAFF FOR RELOCATION OFFSITE.
WHAT IS THE OWNER'S POSITION ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, PARTICULARLY FOR RELOCATION ON SITE OF THE TWO OF THE TAC BARN AND THE LOG CABIN? SO WE ARE, UM, I THINK THE REASON THAT IT'S LISTED THAT WAY IS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION THAT WAS FILED.
WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR A WAY TO RELOCATE IT OFFSITE.
UM, BUT I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF THE ZONING IS NOT INITIATED TONIGHT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHOR, THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD, UM, IF, IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE IT AS PART OF YOUR MOTION, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH OUR COMMITMENTS, UM, THEN WE WOULD RELOCATE THE TECH BUILDING IN THE SHED.
AND, UM, HOW MANY OF THOSE SKID BUILDINGS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROTECTED ZONE? THE ONES WHERE YOU LOOKED OUT AND YOU SAW A NUMBER OF THEM OR ANY OF THOSE IN THE PROTECTED ZONE? NO, NONE OF THOSE ARE IN THE PROTECTED ZONE.
AND WOULD THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION ALLOW RELOCATION OF THESE? YOU HAD MENTIONED THE TWO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE RELOCATED ON SITE, THEY WOULD BE INTO THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ZONE YOU MENTIONED THERE, THERE ARE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE WE, WE THINK THAT THEY COULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE DRAINAGE AND THEN WE WOULD, QUITE FRANKLY, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS, QUITE HONESTLY WITH ANYONE FROM ENVIRONMENTAL ABOUT HOW THAT,