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          LET ME CALL 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, WHICH IS BEING HELD ON NOVEMBER, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH, IN THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER. 
          UH, AT 63 10. 
          WILL AMINA DELCO DRIVE AUSTIN, TEXAS? UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS? SO IN THE ABSENCE OF, OF SAME, I'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. 
          THE NEXT ITEM IS 
          [1. Approve the minutes of the Urban Transportation Commission REGULAR MEETING on October 1, 2024. ]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION FOR THE REGULAR MEETING OF OCTOBER 1ST, 2024. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MODIFICATIONS? HEARING NONE. 
          WILL ANYBODY MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? DANIEL MOVES. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? AND PEOPLE REMOTELY. 
          OKAY, SO IT PASSES. 
          1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 
          EIGHT TO THREE. 
          EIGHT TO THREE. 
          WELL, THREE. 
          THREE NOT VOTE. 
          THREE ABSENT. 
          EIGHT IN FAVOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SECOND ITEM 
          [2. Discussion on the cost of motor vehicle crashes to Austin taxpayers]
ON THE AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION ITEM, A DISCUSSION ON THE COST OF MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES TO AUSTIN TAXPAYERS. 
          UH, BILL MCCALLEY IS PRESENTING, AS IS ABIGAIL JACKSON, BOTH FROM TRANSIT FORWARD. 
          MIKE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO AUSTIN, TEXAS. 
          IS THAT WORKING NOW? ALL RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          UH, ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS BILL MCCALLEY. 
          I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF TRANSIT FORWARD. 
          WE ARE AN AUSTIN 5 0 1 C3 WITH A MISSION OF EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT AROUND PUBLIC TRANSIT ISSUES HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR ORGANIZATION HAS DONE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS IS WE BRING IN A STUDENT EVERY SEMESTER TO WORK ON A RESEARCH PAPER REGARDING A TOPIC THAT INTERSECTS WITH PUBLIC TRANSIT. 
          UM, IN FACT, YOUR COMMISSION LAST YEAR IN THE FALL HEARD A PRESENTATION FROM ONE OF OUR STUDENTS WHO DID THIS WORK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ON THE NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES OF TRAFFICKING GRIDLOCK. 
          AND THAT WAS A FAIRLY BROAD RANGING PAPER. 
          UH, THIS LAST SPRING. 
          WE WERE VERY, VERY LUCKY TO HAVE ABIGAIL JACKSON, UM, FROM UT JOIN US AND WRITE A PAPER AND DO A LOT OF RESEARCH SPECIFICALLY REGARDING WHAT THE COST SAVINGS CAN BE TO AUSTIN IF WE HIT OUR 50 50 MODE SHARE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY, MORE TRANSIT, UH, IS A BIG, IF NOT THE BIGGEST PART OF THE STRATEGIES ARE GONNA BE INVOLVED IN HITTING THAT GOAL. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS PRETTY SIMPLE REGARDING PROJECT CONNECT AND TRANSIT EXPANSION AS A WHOLE, THERE ARE CRITICS OUT THERE THAT TALK ABOUT THE COST, AND IT WAS OUR INTENTION TO SAY, OKAY, PUBLIC TRANSIT USE IS BY DEFINITION MUCH SAFER THAN TRAVELING BY SINGLE OCCUPANCY CAR. 
          AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE YOU HAVE LESS DEATH AND LESS ALL SORTS OF BAD STUFF, BUT THERE'S ALSO LESS OF A COST TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          AND IF THAT COST CAN BE RECOUPED BY THE CITY IN THE MANNER OF NOT PAYING FOR MORE EMT SERVICES, NOT PAYING FOR MORE ROAD FIXES OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN USE THAT TO PAY FOR MORE LIBRARIES, MORE PARKS, MORE WHATEVER YOU WANNA, UH, DO THAT. 
          SO WE WERE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE ABIGAIL IN. 
          UM, THE FULL PAPER THAT SHE WILL BE PRESENTING ON IS ON OUR WEBSITE, UH, TRANSIT FORWARD.ORG. 
          UH, YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE REPORTS. 
          IT'S BEEN PUBLISHED, UH, AS OF LAST YEAR. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO ABIGAIL. 
          SO JUST A QUICK INTRODUCTION OF ABIGAIL. 
          SHE GRADUATED FROM UT IN THE SPRING. 
          SHE IS NOW IN NEW YORK CITY, AND SHE HAS A JOB INTERVIEW TOMORROW WITH A NONPROFIT THAT'S HOPEFULLY GONNA BE WORKING WITH MAYORS AROUND THE COUNTRY ON THE CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUE, WHICH GIVEN OUR CURRENT POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT, IS PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE TO REALLY WORK TO REALLY FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE WAY WE ALL NEED. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO TURN OVER TO ABIGAIL FOR A SHORT PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, BILL. 
          UM, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YES, THEY CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, BILL, FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. 
          UM, IT WAS GREAT TO BE WORKING WITH BILL AND TRANSIT FORWARD, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL. 
          I MS. AUSTIN A LOT NOW THAT I'M IN NEW YORK, AND I'M STILL VERY INVESTED IN AUSTIN'S TRANSPORTATION NETWORK BECOMING MORE SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. 
          UM, AND AS BILL MENTIONED, I'M GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ESTIMATING THE COST OF MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES TO AUSTIN TAXPAYERS. 
          SO, JUST FOR SOME BACKGROUND THAT I'M SURE ALL OF Y'ALL ARE, ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IN 2019, WE KNOW THAT THE AUSTIN 
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STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN SET A 20 YEAR GOAL OF ACHIEVING 50 50 MODE SHARE, MEANING THAT BY 2039, IT ENVISIONED AT LEAST 50% OF AUSTINITES WOULD COMMUTE BY A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION OTHER THAN DRIVING ALONE IN PRIVATE VEHICLES. 
          SO THE PLAN NOTED THAT MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES WERE A TOP CAUSE OF DEATH IN TEXAS, AND ALSO ESTIMATED THAT IN AUSTIN, THE COST TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY WAS 350 TO 500 MILLION IN 2019. 
          SO BILL ASKED ME, ME TO INVESTIGATE THE ECONOMIC COSTS OF CRASHES, SPECIFICALLY THE PUBLIC COSTS, OR HOW MUCH OF AUSTIN'S TAXPAYER DOLLARS WERE GOING TOWARDS THE ECONOMIC AND NOT THE COMPREHENSIVE OR QUALITY OF LIFE COSTS. 
          SO REALLY THE, UM, MONEY THAT'S SPENT ON, UH, THE RESULTS OF MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES. 
          AND WE SENSE THAT THIS NUMBER, AS BILL SAID, WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO AN ACCURATE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BENEFITS AND COST SAVINGS WE SHOULD EXPECT WHEN EXPANDING PUBLIC TRANSIT. 
          SO JUST A NOTE BEFORE PROCEEDING. 
          THE CITY'S VISION ZERO TEAM DOES USE A COMPREHENSIVE COST SCALE. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT IT INCLUDES QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF CRASHES, AND THAT'S USED AS A HIGH LEVEL PLANNING TOOL TO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF PRIORITIZING CERTAIN SPECIFIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 
          HOWEVER, AS THEY WOULD AGREE, IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED THAT THAT PARTICULAR SCALE BE USED TO UNDERSTAND THOSE PURE ECONOMIC COSTS OF CRASHES. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, NOT USED TO UNDERSTAND THE COSTS, UH, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAXPAYERS AND THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN CRASHES. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE FELT THIS PROJECT WAS IMPORTANT. 
          AND YOU CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, MY PROJECT AIMED TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, THIS RESEARCH QUESTION, HOW MUCH MONEY MAY BE SAVED BY THE PUBLIC ONCE TRANSIT EXPANDS TO REACH AUSTIN'S 50 50 MODE SHARE GOAL IN 2040, RESULTING IN FEWER CARS ON THE ROAD AND HOPEFULLY FEWER CRASHES. 
          AND THE FIRST STEP HERE WAS UNDERSTANDING THE ACTUAL COST OF CRASHES TO AUSTIN TAXPAYERS IN RECENT YEARS FOR A BASELINE OF WHAT THOSE SAVINGS MIGHT BE. 
          SO THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE IN ESTIMATING CRASH COSTS AND PROVIDING A FRAMEWORK I COULD USE WAS THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION REPORT CALLED THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIETAL IMPACT OF MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES. 
          NOW, THIS REPORT IS REALLY LONG, IT'S REALLY DENSE, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY EASY TO UNDERSTAND ONCE YOU GET INTO IT, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BACKGROUND IN CRASH COSTS, AS I DID NOT WHEN I STARTED THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND A VERSION OF THIS REPORT HAS BEEN COMING OUT SINCE 1983, AND IT GETS UPDATED EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WITH 2019 BEING THE LATEST VERSION. 
          SO THE BASIC IDEA, UM, IS THAT DIFFERENT SEVERITIES OF CRASHES, AND THIS IS INTUITIVE TO US, CORRESPOND TO DIFFERENT COSTS IN VARIOUS COST CATEGORIES, MAKING UP THE TOTAL COST FOR EACH CRASH. 
          SO THAT WOULD BREAK THINGS DOWN TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THINGS LIKE EMS, UH, MEDICAL DAMAGE TO PHYSICAL PUBLIC PROPERTY LIKE MEDIANS AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS. 
          UM, AND IN OTHER WORDS, A SERIOUS INJURY WOULD RESULT IN GREATER COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD, LIKELY COMPARED TO A FENDER BENDER. 
          SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN SEVERITIES OF CRASHES WHEN CALCULATING THESE ESTIMATES. 
          UM, AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S CRASH RECORDS INFORMATION SYSTEM, ALSO CALLED CHRIS, PROVIDES THE NUMBER OF CRASHES BY INJURY SEVERITY. 
          UM, HOWEVER, DETERMINING THOSE COSTS FOR EACH CRASH IS, WAS REALLY MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE SPECIFIC COSTS DIFFERENCES FOR EMS SERVICES FOR A SERIOUS INJURY VERSUS A MINOR INJURY. 
          SOMETIMES COSTS ARE REALLY UNCERTAIN BASED ON A LOT OF NATIONAL AVERAGES, OR THEY'RE TOTALLY MISSING. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, A REALLY IMPORTANT CATEGORY IS, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE COST OF DAMAGE TO PUBLIC PROPERTY WHEN THERE IS A CRASH. 
          UM, AND IT'S REALLY HARD FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO REPORT ON THIS INFORMATION TO JUST, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE LOGISTICS AND COORDINATION AND THE TIME REQUIRED TO DO SO. 
          UM, SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE IN THE REPORT THAT BILL MENTIONED, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE IT AS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, AND I DEFINITELY INVITE YOU TO LOOK AT THE REPORT. 
          UM, BUT IN SUMMARY, WHAT I DID TO ESTIMATE THE COST, WHICH WE'RE GONNA SEE IN A MOMENT, UH, WAS TO UNDERSTAND THE CRASH COUNTS BY INJURY SEVERITY USING THE CHRIS DATABASE FOR THE YEARS OF 2019 TO 2022 FOR AUSTIN. 
          SO THESE ARE CRASHES THAT TOOK PLACE IN AUSTIN, CALCULATING THE COSTS BY EACH SEVERITY TYPE ACROSS MULTIPLE COST CATEGORIES WITH ABOUT FIVE TO SIX LEVELS OF SEVERITY OF CRASH, AND THEN ADJUSTING THOSE NUMBERS AS BEST AS I COULD TO FIT AUSTIN'S CONTEXT. 
          SINCE A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION COMES FROM NATIONAL AVERAGES, 
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AS I SAID, AND ALSO THEN ADJUST FOR INFLATION FOR DIFFERENT YEARS. 
          AND IN SOME CASES, I WAS ABLE TO GET REALLY HELPFUL INFORMATION FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          LIKE I MET WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE VISION ZERO TEAM WHO WERE ABLE TO HELP ME GAUGE HOW ACCURATE CERTAIN NUMBERS I HAD WERE FOR, UM, DAMAGE TO PUBLIC PROPERTY IN A CRASH LIKE TRAFFIC POLES. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, ONCE I HAD THOSE TOTALS, I HAD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SHARE WAS BORN BY THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, SO WHAT WAS INDIVIDUAL COST VERSUS COST PAID BY AUSTIN? AND THEN I GOT A HOUSEHOLD COST. 
          SO I JUST DIVIDED THE PUBLIC COST BY THE NUMBER OF AUSTIN HOUSEHOLDS FOR EACH YEAR. 
          AND YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS TABLE BASICALLY SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING FROM MY PAPER. 
          I RECOMMEND FOCUSING ON COLUMN TWO, WHERE YOU CAN MORE EASILY COMPARE THE TOTAL LOCAL COSTS FOR MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES, UH, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL ADJUSTED FOR 2020 $2. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF VARIATION YEAR TO YEAR WITH SOME OUTLIERS, LIKE FOR THE PANDEMIC, WHERE THERE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS DIFFERENT DRIVER BEHAVIOR. 
          AND THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION REPORT GAVE NO ADVICE REALLY ON HOW TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN COSTS BY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE PAID BY STATE VERSUS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. 
          SO IN ALL TABLES, THEY'RE COMBINED IN THAT REPORT. 
          HOWEVER, MANY COST COMPONENTS LIKE EMS AND DAMAGE TO PHYSICAL ROADSIDE PROPERTY, UM, MIGHT BE ENTIRELY PAID FOR OUT OF AUSTIN'S GENERAL FUND. 
          SO FOR THIS REASON, I CONSIDERED THESE FIGURES TO BE AS ADEQUATE AND ESTIMATE AS I COULD GET FOR THE EQUIVALENT, UH, COSTS FOR AUSTIN TAXPAYERS FOR EACH YEAR. 
          AND THEN THE COLUMN THERE THAT'S TITLED TOTAL SAVINGS AT 50 50 MODE SHARE, UM, I WANNA EXPLAIN HOW I CAME TO THIS COLUMN, WHICH REPRESENTS THE POSSIBLE COST SAVINGS HAD WE HAD 50% MODE SHARE IN ANY OF THOSE YEARS. 
          SO THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN ESTIMATED THAT 26% OF AUSTIN COMMUTERS USED ALTERNATE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION IN 2019. 
          SO THAT MEANT THAT WE WOULD'VE NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL 24% OF COMMUTERS, UM, TAKING MODES OTHER THAN TRAVELING IN A PRIVATE VEHICLE TO REACH 50 50 MODE SHARE. 
          SO TO ESTIMATE WHAT SHARE OF THE TOTAL COSTS TO STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAY BE SAVED IN A SCENARIO WHERE AUSTIN HAS REACHED 50 50 MODE SHARE THE COLUMN TITLED TOTAL SAVINGS AT 50 50 MODE SHARE IS EQUAL TO 24% OF THAT TOTAL COST. 
          I CHOSE THIS SIMPLIFIED WAY OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE SAVINGS MIGHT BE BASED ON AMERICAN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ASSOCIATION OR APTA ESTIMATES THAT CRASHES DECREASE AS PUBLIC TRANSIT USAGE INCREASES. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING THERE MIGHT BE KIND OF A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP AND MAYBE 24% FEWER CRASHES WOULD RESULT IN A 24% REDUCTION IN CRASH COSTS. 
          SO PRETTY SIMPLE METHOD OF DOING THAT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR THAT. 
          BUT ANYWAYS, BOTH THE TOTAL COST PER AUSTIN HOUSEHOLD AND THE TOTAL SAVINGS PER AUSTIN HOUSEHOLD ARE CALCULATED BY DIVIDING THOSE FIGURES FOR SAVINGS BY THE NUMBER OF AUSTIN HOUSEHOLDS ACCORDING TO THE, UH, AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY FIVE YEAR ESTIMATES. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE VERY LARGE VARIATIONS PER YEAR WITH ONLY A 1% INCREASE IF WE COMPARE 2019 TO 2022, UM, COST OF MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES. 
          BUT THEN IF WE LOOK AT THE PANDEMIC YEAR, IT'S A REAL OUTLIER. 
          SO IT'S HARD TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT PATTERN IS WITH SUCH A SMALL SAMPLE OF, OF YEARS. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN GO ONTO THE LAST SLIDE HERE. 
          SO IN CONCLUSION, I WANTED TO USE THIS ANNUAL CRASH COST ESTIMATE TO THEN ESTIMATE THE ANSWER TO THIS RESEARCH QUESTION, WHICH WAS, AGAIN, HOW MUCH MONEY MAY BE SAVED BY THE PUBLIC ONCE TRANSIT EXPANDS TO REACH AUSTIN'S 50 50 MODE SHARE GOAL. 
          UM, AND I PROJECTED THE WAY THAT I DID THIS WAS BY PROJECTING THE NUMBER OF AUSTIN HOUSEHOLDS USING THE PREVIOUS GROWTH RATE. 
          SO SAY GROWTH CONTINUED IN A SIMILAR FASHION. 
          WE MIGHT HAVE 533,000 HOUSEHOLDS IN 2040. 
          AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE GROWTH OVER THE PERIOD THAT I, THAT I ESTIMATED COSTS FOR. 
          IF THOSE COSTS CONTINUE TO GROW 3.5% YEAR OVER YEAR, THEN AUSTIN MIGHT BE SPENDING OVER $67 MILLION TOTAL IN CRASH COSTS IN, UM, IN 2040. 
          AND THAT'S USING, UH, 2020 $2. 
          UM, SO ALL THAT'S TO SAY THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT THAT'S SPENT PER HOUSEHOLD, AND IF WE THINK ABOUT THAT 24% 
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NUMBER, THE SAVINGS AT 50 50 MODE SHARE MIGHT BE OVER $16 MILLION, WHICH WOULD WORK OUT TO ABOUT $21 PER HOUSEHOLD IN, IN THIS YEAR. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, LIKE BILL SAID, THAT MONEY SHOULD BE SHIFTED TO PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT MAKE AUSTINITES LIVES BETTER AND SAFER. 
          AND, UM, IT'S TRUE THAT, YOU KNOW, APPROACHING 50 50 MODE SHARE, MAYBE THERE WOULD BE EVEN STEEPER DROP OFFS IN COSTS WITH FEWER CARS IN THE ROAD AND INCREASE SAFETY MEASURES IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          SO THERE'S THE REPORT THAT BILL MENTIONED ON THE SITE, AND THEN ALSO A EXCEL SHEET THAT SHOWS HOW I GOT ALL MY FIGURES AND CALCULATIONS. 
          SO I DEFINITELY INVITE YOU TO CHECK THAT OUT. 
          AND MY DREAM IS THAT THIS METHOD WOULD BE USED TO, UM, REALLY IMPROVE THE, UH, COST ESTIMATES FOR EACH CATEGORY, WHICH WOULD THEN RESULT IN BETTER TOTAL COST ESTIMATES AND A REALLY BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS FOR SAFETY IN INCREASING PUBLIC TRANSIT USAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MADAM CHAIR, IF I JUST MIGHT CLOSE ON A FEW POINTS BEFORE WE TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, BIG SHOUT OUT TO SELENA. 
          SHE, WITH THE EMS UNION WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH ABIGAIL TALKING ABOUT THE EMS DIRECT COSTS. 
          SHE WAS REALLY, REALLY GREAT. 
          NUMBER TWO, IT IS FASCINATING HOW BAKED IN THE COST OF AUTOMOBILE DRIVING IS INTO AUSTIN'S BUDGET AND NOT JUST AUSTIN EVERYWHERE AROUND THE US RIGHT? FOR, FOR ABIGAIL TO TRY TO EXTRACT WHAT THAT INDIVIDUAL COST OF AUTO CRASH IS IN WAS ACTUALLY FAIRLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE IN OUR SOCIETY ARE SO BUILT AROUND THE CAR AS OUR ONLY OPTION OF TRANSPORTATION IN SO MANY WAYS THAT WE BUILD THAT INTO OUR BUDGETS. 
          BUT I DO BELIEVE EFFORTS LIKE THIS ARE REALLY CRITICAL IN ILLUMINATING WHAT THOSE COST SAVINGS COULD BE IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOME OTH SOMETHING ELSE. 
          THE THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THIS. 
          UM, I LOVE AND WE LOVE AUSTIN'S GOAL OF GETTING THAT 50 50 MODE SHARE BY THE END OF THE NEXT DECADE. 
          NO ONE HERE IS TRYING TO DO A WAR ON CARS. 
          WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO THOUGH, IS SAY, LOOK, IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE, IF BUSES AND TRAINS AND BIKES LIKE SPENCER AND I WROTE IN TODAY ARE ABLE TO BE AN OPTION FOR MORE PEOPLE, YOU GET SOME POSITIVE EXTERNALITIES. 
          AND AND THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY DONE WITH HARD NUMBERS IN MIND, YOU CAN FIND OTHER ESTIMATES OUT THERE. 
          I KNOW IT'S ACTUARILY SOUND TO GO OUT AND SAY, OKAY, WELL IF SOMEONE DIES IN ONE OF THESE, UH, CAR CRASHES, YOU NOT ONLY PUT THE DIRECT COSTS IN, BUT YOU TAKE AWAY THE PRODUCTION THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. 
          LIKE, THAT'S HOW, UM, AFTER NINE 11 FOLKS FIGURED OUT WHAT THE FUNDS FOR SURVIVORS WOULD BE, WE STAYED AWAY FROM THAT. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, WHAT ABIGAIL'S PUT IN, THAT'S 16 MILLION A YEAR BY THE END OF 20 39, 20 40, THOSE ARE HARD DOLLARS THAT CAN AUSTIN CAN EXPECT TO THEN SAVE AND BE ABLE TO USE FOR OTHER THINGS, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT. 
          AND I DO THINK THAT'S GOTTA BE A CRITICAL PART OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PROJECT CONNECT AND ALL SORTS OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WHEN CREDITS COME IN AND SAY, YOU'RE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON A WASTE, YOU CAN SAY, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          NOT ONLY ARE LESS PEOPLE GOING TO DIE, NOT ONLY IS THIS BETTER FOR CLIMATE CHANGE IN ALL SORTS OF WAYS, BUT THERE ARE REAL HARD DOLLAR ADVANTAGES TO AWESOME WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TIGHT BUDGETS HERE OVER THE NEXT DECADE IN DOING THIS. 
          AND THAT PROVIDES A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO THE CITY. 
          SO, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME. 
          ABIGAIL DID A SUPERB, UH, JOB ON THIS, AND WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ANYBODY HAS. 
          YEAH, IF I COULD, I JUST WANTED, FIRST OF ALL, APOLOGIZE TO ABIGAIL FOR MISSING THE, THE VERY FIRST PORTION OF YOUR PRESENTATION, UM,  AND BEING IN THE WRONG LOCATION, UH, COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ AND I MADE OUR WAY HERE. 
          WE WERE AT CITY HALL, WE HADN'T QUITE PROCESSED THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE MANY, MANY WAYS MISTAKES WERE MADE. 
          HASHTAG I ALMOST WENT DOWN THERE TOO, IF IT MAKES YOU REALLY BETTER . 
          YEP. 
          SO, UH, WE, I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE AND I'LL TRY TO REVIEW THE FIRST PART ON THE RECORDING. 
          I WAS GLAD TO CATCH WHAT I COULD. 
          IT, UH, SOUNDS JUST FROM THE PART THAT I HEARD, LIKE SOME PRETTY UNIQUE METHODOLOGY AND, AND WE'RE REALLY, REALLY GLAD THAT YOU COULD JOIN US TODAY AND SHARE THIS WORK. 
          AND I'LL, UH, SEE IF ANY OF OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, FIRST, UH, CORRECTION ON SOMETHING BILL SAID, WE RODE OUR BIKES ON A TRAIN TOGETHER. 
          VERY DIFFERENT. 
          NO, UH, WE DIDN'T RIDE OUR BIKES ON THE TRAIN. 
          YEAH, WELL, THAT'S TRUE. 
          WE HELD OUR BIKES ON THE TRAIN. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          UM, ABIGAIL, I I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          SO, UM, ONE THING WE'VE RUN INTO A LOT IS, UH, CRASHES KIND OF BEING UNDER REPORTED JUST IN TERMS OF TDOT'S DEFINITION OF A CRASH BEING, UH, SERIOUS BODILY INJURY OR A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PROPERTY DAMAGE. 
          AND THEY ALSO DEFINE PROPERTY DAMAGE IN AN INTERESTING WAY. 
          SO I GUESS, HOW DID YOU GET AROUND THAT, THAT GAP IN CRASH DATA WE HAVE? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION THERE. 
          UM, AND I ACTUALLY GOT TO TALK TO THE VISION ZERO TEAM ABOUT 
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THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I NECESSARILY FOUND THE PERFECT SOLUTION FOR THIS, BUT THE WAY THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT WAS, UM, JUST THE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THESE CRASHES, UH, ARE RECORDED, THEY'RE COMING FROM, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE SCENE WHO ARE CATEGORIZING THEM, UM, ON ACCORDING TO A CERTAIN SCALE OF SEVERITY OF INJURY. 
          AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE HOSPITAL, THERE'S ANOTHER SCALE THAT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS USE. 
          SO, UM, AND THAT SCALE IS ACTUALLY WHERE MOST ESTIMATES ARE DONE ON COST CATEGORIES. 
          UM, SO THERE'S EVEN LIKE A, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UM, DETAILED WAY THAT THOSE LIKELIHOODS OF A CERTAIN TYPE OF CRASH THAT'S ASSESSED BY A LOCAL, UM, POLICE OFFICER ON THE SCENE, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT RESULTS IN AN, IN AN INJURY TYPE ASSESSED BY THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL AT THE, UM, AT THE HOSPITAL. 
          SO, UM, THERE IS CERTAINLY, THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY THERE. 
          UM, AND BASICALLY IT, I THINK I'M GONNA DEFER A LITTLE BIT TO THE REPORT ON LIKE SPECIFICALLY HOW I HANDLED THAT. 
          IT BASICALLY HAD TO DO WITH THE WAY THAT I HANDLED THE, UM, PROPERTY DAMAGE ONLY TYPE COSTS. 
          WERE KIND OF SEPARATED FROM THE, UM, LIKE NON-INJURY CATEGORY THAT TXDOT HAS. 
          I BASICALLY TRIED TO REDUCE ANY KIND OF REDUNDANCY AND THEN ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE ESTIMATES WERE REALLY ACCORDING TO WHAT LIKE, UH, NUMBERS WE GET FROM MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ON THOSE TYPES OF INJURIES. 
          SO, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT'S GREAT CONTEXT. 
          MM-HMM, , UH, COMMISSIONER KAMAN. 
          HELLO. 
          OH, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS WORK. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          I THINK ALL, ALWAYS MORE INFORMATION TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE BENEFITS OF REACHING THAT 50 50 GOAL IS GONNA BE CRITICAL AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO ASK THE VOTERS TO HELP US BUILD OUT A NEW NETWORK AND CONTINUE TO, UH, PUSH FOR, UH, SWIFT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A BIT OF A QUESTION OR A COMMENT. 
          UM, I THINK MAYBE SOMETHING THAT COULD ALSO BE HELPFUL IS, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THIS WITH THE DATA, BUT BREAK IT UP BY RIGHT OF WAY OWNERSHIP, UH, WHETHER IT'S STATE OR CITY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS COMMISSION AND AT THE CITY LEVEL, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER CITY OWNED RIGHTS OF WAY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THE STATE TENDS TO HAVE MORE CRASHES AND STUFF. 
          SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL BECAUSE I SEE ON YOUR CHART THAT THE NUMBERS, UH, REMAIN SOMEWHAT STATIC FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A DRAMATIC, UM, AMOUNT OF CHANGES TO CITY OWNED RIGHTS OF WAY, NOT SO MUCH THE STATE OTHER THAN MORE LANES OF COURSE. 
          BUT, UH, IT COULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THOSE ARE HAVING A SORT OF FISCAL IMPACT ON, ON THE, UM, CRASH COSTS. 
          YEAH, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE SPATIAL DATA ON WHERE THESE CRASHES ARE OCCURRING, AND IT'S SO MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS. 
          AND, AND THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE VISION ZERO TEAM IS DOING WITH, YOU KNOW, MAKING THOSE COMPREHENSIVE COST ESTIMATES ON LIKE SPECIFIC INTERSECTIONS TO PRIORITIZE DIFFERENT, UH, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY MEANINGFUL. 
          AND AND MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, I, I WOULD THROW TWO MORE POINTS AT YOU 'CAUSE I, I THINK YOU'RE BRINGING UP A GOOD POINT. 
          I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK FOR INSTANCE, SPARTAN SPRINGS AND THE PROJECT THAT WAS DONE, THEN IT TURNED IT INTO SINGLE LANE, GIVE MORE SAFETY TO BICYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS OR WHATEVER, AND YOU SAW CAR CRASHES GO DOWN IN THAT AREA, RIGHT? I THINK YOU CAN USE THIS DATA TO SAY, OKAY, AND, AND WITHOUT ANY KIND OF INCREASE IN COMMUTE TIMES, THE ONLY EXTERNALITY THAT HAPPENED WAS EVERYBODY WAS BETTER, RIGHT? IT'S LESS MONEY SPENT, LESS PEOPLE DIED, MORE PEOPLE WERE HAVING FUN RIDING THEIR BIKES AND, AND RIDING ON THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO CAN THAT BE EXTRAPOLATED USING SOME OF THIS DATA TO OTHER PLACES AROUND THE CITY TO ALSO MAKE A MONETARY ARGUMENT FOR THAT I THINK IS REAL. 
          THE OTHER THING I WOULD THROW AT YOU, UH, FROM A CITY RESPONSIBILITY STANDPOINT AS WE, WE LOOKED INTO THIS IS, UM, LAST FEBRUARY TRANSIT FORWARD HAD OUR WINTER QUARTERLY PARTNER MEETING, UH, AT THE YIMBY TOWN CONFERENCE. 
          I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY EVEN BEEN THERE. 
          WE DID A PANEL ON THE NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES OF TRAFFIC. 
          AND SELENA FROM THE EM EMS UNION WAS ON THAT PANEL. 
          AND SHE SAID SOMETHING THAT REALLY STUCK WITH ME, WHICH WAS, AS THE CITY HAS BECOME MORE UNAFFORDABLE, MORE OF THE EMS WORKERS HAVE TO LIVE IN KYLE AND BASTROP AND CEDAR PARK AND ROUND ROCK AND ET CETERA, AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEIR CARS AND COMMUTE INTO TOWN TO GO TO THEIR JOBS, THEREFORE CREATING MORE GRIDLOCK, CREATING MORE 
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CAR CRASHES, AND THEREFORE CREATING MORE OF THE PROBLEM THAT THEY ARE EMPLOYED THAN TO SOLVE. 
          AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A LIGHT BULB MOMENT ABOUT HOW THE CITY PROCEEDS WITH LAND USE TRANSIT AS A WHOLE. 
          SO I, I WOULD SAY THESE TYPES OF VERY SPECIFIC ARGUMENTS CAN BE USED FOR THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I THINK THEY CAN ALSO BE USED CONTI TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE REASONS WHY THE CITY SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO BETTER, MORE PROGRESSIVE LAND USE POLICIES, CONTINUE TO SUPPORT MORE TRANSIT PROJECTS, ET CETERA, AND SO ON. 
          BUT I, I REALLY LIKE YOUR POINT, AND I WOULD JUST THROW THOSE OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UM, OUR OUR GUESTS, OUR SPEAKERS LOOKING AROUND, LOOKING ONLINE AS WELL? IF NOT, THEN WE WILL JUST, SINCE YOU'RE WELL, I, I DO HAVE A COMMENT. 
          SURE. 
          IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY OTHER SITTING WITH THIS, UH, WITH A 50 50 MO SHARE THAT YOU KNOW OF? ABIGAIL, THAT'S YOU? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE. 
          . 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M IN NEW YORK RIGHT NOW WHERE IT'S DEFINITELY A LOT HIGHER THAN 50 50. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT ARE AT EXACTLY 50 50, BUT, UM, I COULD DEFINITELY POINT TO THAT. 
          UH, UM, THE APTA REPORT THAT I MENTIONED HAD MORE RESEARCH ON HOW THEY FOUND AS SHARES OF TRANSIT USAGE WENT UP, UM, COUNTS OF CRASHES WENT DOWN. 
          SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME REALLY GOOD SPECIFIC EXAMPLES THERE, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME COMPARISONS FOR AUSTIN, IF THAT WAS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING OF FOR, UH, UM, A GOOD REASON TO FIND A 50 50, ANOTHER 50 50 EXAMPLE. 
          SO I COULD SHARE THAT, UH, POTENTIALLY TO YOU DIRECTLY, OR I COULD SHARE IT WITH BILL WHO COULD CIRCULATE IT. 
          MR. BROWN, UM, THE REPORT SHE'S REFERRING TO IS FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TRANSIT ASSOCIATION, WHICH CAME OUT A FEW YEARS AGO, WHICH BASICALLY SHOW THAT I BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS YOUR 55%, UH, LESS LIKELY TO GET INTO A CRASH IF YOU ARE, NO, EXCUSE ME. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          YOU ARE 10 TIMES LESS LIKELY TO GET INTO SOME KIND OF INJURY IF YOU ARE USING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THAN IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY YOURSELF. 
          SO THE, THE AMOUNT OF SAFETY BUILT IN TO MORE PUBLIC TRANSIT USE AS WELL AS BIKERS AND PEDESTRIANS, ET CETERA AND SO ON, IS KIND OF BUILT IN AS YOU LOOK AT CITIES THAT RELY MORE ON PUBLIC TRANSIT, WALKING, BIKING THAT ARE BUILT DENSER. 
          AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE KIND OF THE QUOTE UNQUOTE LEGACY LEGACY CITIES IN THE US NEW YORK, CHICAGO, UH, BOSTON, ET CETERA. 
          YOU DO SEE LESS TRAFFIC INJURIES JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE USING THAT TRANSIT, UH, THOSE TRANSIT SERVICES 'CAUSE IT'S MORE AVAILABLE AND IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO GET TO. 
          BUT I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT I'LL ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE, THE BOARD AND LOOK TO THAT. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. 
          WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE. 
          I BELIEVE PHILADELPHIA IS A, RIGHT AROUND 50 50 IS IT, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A, THERE'S SOME CITIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FEWER THAN 50% DRIVE ALONE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLACES YOU MENTIONED NEW YORK, UM, ACTUALLY SEATTLE, I THINK I'M LOOKING AT A LIST HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SAN FRANCISCO, SOME PLACES LIKE THAT, CHICAGO IS RIGHT AROUND 50 50 OR IT'S LIKE 49% DRIVE ALONE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TOO, IS LIKE THE PERCENTAGE DRIVING ALONE. 
          SO, UM, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY, UH, WORK THROUGH FROM THE, UH, AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN. 
          SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME MODELS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN AMBITIOUS, NO DOUBT, COMMISSIONER BROWN, IT'S A REAL AMBITIOUS GOAL FOR AUSTIN. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE SET AS A GOAL AND WE'RE SORT OF AIMING FOR, YOU KNOW, IN THE SKY, WHICH MAYBE WE'RE BRINGING THE SKY DOWN TO THE EARTH, WE'RE GONNA GET THERE, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND, AND MADAM, I WOULD ALSO NOTE ON THAT, UM, THE A S AND P GOAL FOR TRANSIT, I BELIEVE IS 14%. 
          WE TALKED LAST MEETING ABOUT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE GOTTEN TO 14% WITHOUT HEAVY RAIL, AND THERE ARE SOME, I BELIEVE IT'S PITTSBURGH, UH, PORTLAND, MAYBE SEATTLE, AND MAYBE MINNEAPOLIS. 
          BUT WE SAID IN OUR LAST MEETING, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CITIES THAT HAVE GOTTEN TO 14%, UH, TRANSIT USAGE WITHOUT THE USE OF HEAVY RAIL, WHICH IS HOPEFULLY WHAT, UH, AUSTIN WILL GET TO IN 2039. 
          AND AND MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD ONCE AGAIN JUST BEAT ON THE LAND USE FROM THOSE CITIES THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE ALL DENSE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONING SO THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN LIVE WITHIN THAT HALF MILE OF BUS AND TRAIN STATIONS, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO BE ABLE TO USE THE RESOURCES MORE EFFICIENTLY. 
          SO I, I, I HEAR YOU AND I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION, BUT I WOULD ONCE AGAIN REITERATE HOW IMPORTANT IT'S FOR AUSTIN TO STAY THE COURSE ON THE CHANGES THEY MADE OVER THE LAST YEAR TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE, THOSE STRATEGIES AND PUT THEM INTO PLACE. 
          YEAH. 
          AUSTIN'S CURRENT, AS OF LAST YEAR'S AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA, AUSTIN WAS AROUND AT 64%. 
          SO GOING DOWN TO 50% IS NOT THAT BIG A LEAP OVER THE NEXT DECADE. 
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I THINK IT'S GOOD TO RESET THAT EXPECTATION. 
          'CAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES WE THINK IT IS A MOONSHOT AND MAYBE IT'S MORE LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S, WE CAN GET THERE. 
          WE CAN DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE CAN DO IT. 
          SO, COMMISSIONER BROWN, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? NO, THAT WAS IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? AWESOME. 
          WELL, I JUST WANNA THANK OUR PRESENTERS FROM TRANSIT FORWARD SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT TO US. 
          WE REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING OUT HERE AND HOPE Y'ALL CONTINUE TO COME OUT HERE WITH SOME OF YOUR RESEARCH AND DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT Y'ALL DO. 
          IT'S REALLY A GREAT THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS FOR OUR STUDENTS, SO, UH, HERE IN OUR HIGHER ED, UH, INSTITUTIONS. 
          SO WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AND THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. 
          UH, IT MATTERS AND IT REALLY SHOWS THE COMMITMENT THAT AUSTINITES HAVE TO MAKING THE COMMUNITY BETTER, AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT, 
          [3. Discussion and recommendation on Parking Code Amendments to 12-3 & 12-5]
EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M HERE NOW . 
          SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR DISCUSSION ACTION ITEMS NOW WE'RE GONNA CALL UP ITEM THREE, THAT BEING A DIS UH, DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION ON PARKING CODE AMENDMENTS TO 12 DASH THREE AND 12 DASH FIVE. 
          OUR PRESENTER IS, UH, JOSEPH ALH, AND Y'ALL CAN START WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. 
          GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          I'M LEWIS LEFF. 
          I'M AN ACTING ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, HELPING TO SUPPORT OUR PARKING ENTERPRISE GROUP AT THIS POINT. 
          AND I'M HERE TODAY WITH JOSEPH ALGER WHO'S GONNA BE PRESENTING THIS. 
          UH, JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND DISCUSS OUR APPROACH TOWARDS MODERNIZING THE PARKING ORDINANCES. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THEY'VE BEEN TOUCHED, AND OBVIOUSLY A LOT HAS CHANGED IN THE PARKING SPACE, AND SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR UPDATING THINGS, NOT ONLY FOR TODAY, BUT ALSO LOOKING A LITTLE BIT FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE. 
          SO I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO JOSEPH. 
          WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSION. 
          HELLO, CHAIR. 
          HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, AGAIN, I ECHO, UM, LOUIS A SENTIMENT. 
          MY NAME AGAIN IS JOSEPH HORY. 
          I'M THE PARKING, PARKING ENTERPRISE MANAGER, UH, FOR TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME, UH, REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, PARKING MODERNIZATION, I GUESS FOR SLIDES TO JUST SAY NEXT OR, OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          WELL, NEXT , UM, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL JUST KIND OF QUICKLY GO OVER AGENDA. 
          WE'LL KIND OF JUST WANNA BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE PARKING ENTERPRISE DIVISION AS A WHOLE FOR TPW. 
          I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST, SO I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL TO KIND OF TOUCH OVER THAT BRIEFLY. 
          UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA TOUCH ON THE BACKGROUND TO KEY PRINCIPLES AND SUPPORT FOR THIS REGULATORY MODERNIZATION, AND THEN KIND OF DIVE INTO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE UPDATE FOR 12 DASH THREE AND 12 DASH FIVE NEXT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THE PARKING ENTERPRISE DIVISION, UM, REALLY THE FOCUS HERE IS TO SHOW WHAT PROGRAMS OF OF PARKING ENTERPRISE THAT WE CURRENTLY OVERSEE OTHER THAN JUST ENFORCEMENT. 
          I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE PREVIOUSLY AND TALKING ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AND, AND OTHER THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING. 
          UM, BUT IT KIND OF DELAYED THIS OUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FIVE AREAS, WHICH IS CURBSIDE PARKING MANAGEMENT OFF STREET OR, OR LANDSIDE, WHICH IS, WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, GARAGE OR FACILITY, UH, PARKING MANAGEMENT, MOBILITY ENFORCEMENT, AS YOU KNOW. 
          UM, AND THEN MOBILITY, SERVICE LICENSING, PERMITTING, OR WHAT WE CALL GROUND TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO THIS IS ALL OUR LIMOS, UH, UH, VEHICLE FOR HIRE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SHARED MOBILITY MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS ALL OUR DOCKLESS, UM, VEHICLES. 
          UM, REALLY THE FOCUS IS PRIORITIZING ACCESSIBILITY THROUGH SAFE, RELIABLE PARKING AND MOBILITY SERVICES FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY IS TO BUILD AND FOCUS, UM, FOR ADMISSION OF PARK ENTERPRISE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, I'M TOUCH ON THIS BRIEFLY. 
          I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT GOT US HERE, REGULATORY MONITORIZATION BACKGROUND. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE STUDIES THAT REALLY FOCUSED ON THE ENHANCEMENT OF CURBSIDE PARKING FOR CITY OF AUSTIN AND WHAT WE DO TO ENHANCE THAT OVER TIME. 
          UM, MANY STUDIES HAD, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED, UH, CHANGES TO OUR CODES AS WELL AS TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER THINGS TO REALLY ENHANCE THAT FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, AND AS WELL AS FUTURE LAND USE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT THAT, UM, AND HOW THAT HELPS IN SYNC TOGETHER. 
          UM, THESE RECENT ACTIONS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH BIKE LANE ENFORCEMENT, THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT THROUGH BY B-A-C-P-A-C, WHICH BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, UH, PEDESTRIAN. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, THIS COMMISSION HERE, UM, REALLY JUST REALLY, AGAIN, HIGHLIGHTED THAT NEED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AND REALLY BROUGHT THAT FORWARD. 
          SO THIS WAS A TIME FOR US TO, TO TAKE THESE ACTIONS IN PLACE IF WE WERE GOING TO BE MODIFYING ANYTHING WHEN IT CAME TO BIKE LAND ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS KIND OF THE PROCESS AND OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO, OF COURSE, TAKE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE THOSE CHANGES. 
          UM, UH, APPROVED, UH, WE DID GO THROUGH INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER PROCESS AS WELL. 
          SPOKE WITH THE, THE MUNICIPAL COURT AS WELL AS INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING, UH, ACT, TRANS ACT OF TRANSPORTATION VISION ZERO, A LAW DEPARTMENT AIRPORT TO NAME A FEW. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          KIND OF WANNA DIVE INTO JUST THE KEY PRINCIPLES OF CODE MODERNIZATION. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SPUR DOES ON, WHAT DOES PREVIOUS CODE SAY, UH, UM, PARKING STUDY, SAY, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, AND, AND WHAT IS OUR, YOU KNOW, INTENT BEHIND THIS? REALLY THE FOCUS IS EXPANDING ACCESS TO ALL ROAD USERS, RIGHT? THE EQUITY, UH, ASPECT OF WHY WE NEED TO, UH, REALLY MODERNIZE OUR CODE TO SIMPLIFY AND AS WELL AS MAKE IT FLEXIBLE AND NIMBLE, UH, TO RESPOND TO THE DIFFERENT NEEDS OF DIFFERENT USERS. 
          UM, REALLY THE FOCUS IS CREATING A SYSTEM WITH AN EYE TOWARDS ACCOMMODATING FUTURE MANAGEMENT OF PARKING. 
          AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE CHANGES, STRATEGIES, REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE FOUNDATION OP, UH, OPERATIONS AND POLICY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE AND HOW THOSE, UH, CODES WILL BE AFFECTED BY THAT, AS WELL AS THE USER EXPERIENCE AND HOW WE DO INNOVATION AND TESTING IN THE FUTURE. 
          THE FOCUSED OUTCOMES REALLY ARE, THE KEY ASPECT HERE IS DATA DRIVEN DECISION MAKING. 
          BUILDING ALLOW US TO MAKE US UNDERSTAND, USE PATTERNS AND INFORM ON PRICING AND AVAILABILITY FOR THE FUTURE, UM, WHILE PRIORITIZING THE EASE OF USE, ACCESSIBILITY AND CLARITY, UM, FOR THE DESIGN. 
          UM, THIS INCLUDES SIGNAGE, UM, OR MULTIPLE PAYMENT OPTIONS, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND THEN REALLY, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT IS ENCOURAGING, UH, THE RIGHT BEHAVIORS, UM, YOU KNOW, PENALTIES TO ENCOURAGE THE RIGHT BEHAVIORS THAT WE NEED, UM, AND ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          ALL RIGHT, WHAT SUPPORT DO WE HAVE FOR MODERNIZATION? I CAN GO THROUGH A LITANY OF DIFFERENT SUPPORT, UM, OVER THE PAST YEARS IN PARKING STUDIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY, UH, CODE CHANGES IN A WHILE, LIKE LOUIS HAD MENTIONED, UM, THE PAST ONE BEING SINCE 2009. 
          UM, WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON, TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS VULNERABLE ROAD USERS TO ENHANCE REGULATION, AND THAT'S THE MAIN FOCUS. 
          UM, DOWNTOWN AUSTIN, UM, PARKING STRATEGY ONE AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, I KNOW WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S OTHERS LIKE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN THAT SPEAK TO PARKING CHANGES TO ENHANCE AND, AND CHANGE BEHAVIORS FOR THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT, UM, MOST RECENTLY IS THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE'S PARKING, UH, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PANEL, WHICH POINTED OUT SOME, UM, UH, NEEDS FOR CHANGING PARKING MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO HAD SOUTH CONGRESS PARKING STUDY, UM, AND ALL OF THESE REALLY FOCUSED ON RECOMMENDATIONS ON CHANGING TERMINOLOGY AND ACCOMMODATING FUTURE TECHNOLOGY, UM, ENHANCE VIOLATION ENFORCEMENT REGULATIONS AND, AND CHANGES AND, AND OF COURSE, UPDATING OUR FINE AMOUNTS, WHICH HAVEN'T BEEN DONE IN QUITE A WHILE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO LET'S DIVE INTO IT. 
          UM, I WANNA TOUCH ON SOME KEY POINT HERE AS FAR AS 12 DASH THREE FIRST, EXCUSE ME. 
          SO REALLY, UM, THE MAIN FOCUS HERE IS, IS, IS CHANGING LANGUAGE ON ANTIQUATED PARKING MANAGEMENT STANDARDS. 
          UM, PREVIOUSLY THINGS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY LOOK AT, PARKING AS STALL LINES OR PHYSICAL PAY STATIONS. 
          UM, AND THESE, THESE, THIS LANGUAGE KIND OF, UH, PUTS US IN A POSITION TO NOT ALLOW FOR ENHANCEMENT AND TECHNOLOGY AND FUTURE ENHANCEMENTS FOR OUR CURB SPACE AND HOW WE ACCOMMODATE THOSE NEEDS FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, SO LIKE IT'S EXPANDING PARKING METER TO ENCOMPASS FUTURE PARKING CONTROL SYSTEMS. UM, AND WE HAVE AREAS THAT HAVE DIGITAL PARKING NOW AND DIGITAL RECEIPTS. 
          UM, ALL THE CURRENT LANGUAGE REALLY FOCUSES ON PHYSICAL ASPECTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN HERE TO EXPAND THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGNATION OF WHAT A METER PARKING SPACE LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, EXPANDING LANGUAGE BEYOND JUST DECIDING WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY DO PARKING, BUT WHAT, UH, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK AUTHORITY LOOK LIKE? UM, TIME LIMITS ON METERED PARKING. 
          UM, REALLY, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO USE OUR CURRENT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PRACTICE, UM, THAT WE CAN PUT IN DATA, AND THEN TAKE THOSE INFORMED DECISIONS THAT ARE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT AS THEY'RE NEEDED. 
          UM, PRIOR, CURRENTLY WE, WE'LL SAY CURRENT LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T ALLOW THAT TO CURRENT HAPPEN. 
          UH, WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE ANY SMALL ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO LET'S SAY IF IT'S FOR TIME CHANGES FOR PAID PARKING IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS, UM, THEY HAVE TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC IN CODE NOW. 
          UM, SO, UM, PREVIOUS, UM, CHANGES TO CODE, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE PAST, IT'S FOR SPECIFIC TIME CHANGES LIKE ADDING A TUESDAY NIGHT OR A WEDNESDAY NIGHT. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL FOR EACH EDITION. 
          THIS ALLOWS US TO, UH, EXPAND THAT AUTHORITY TO THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BEST, THAT ARE BEST NEEDED FOR DEMAND AS THEY EXPAND AND AS, AS WE'VE SEEN RAPIDLY EXPAND AS THE CITY, UM, FOR THE PARKING DEMAND THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, AND THEN FEED DUE FOR A PARKING OF A MOTOR VEHICLE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY OF Y'ALL USE THIS NOW, BUT FOR OUR PARKING APP, WE HAVE THREE 15 MINUTES. 
          UM, YOU GET TWO CODES. 
          UM, CURRENTLY THE WAY THE CODE IS STATED, IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST TO BE DUE AT THE METER. 
          SO WE'RE ADDING TECHNICAL LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE TYPE OF VALIDATION IN THE FUTURE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I SPOKE TO THIS AT MOBILITY COMMITTEE. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE ACTIONS THAT PROMPTED, AGAIN, MORE, UH, NEEDED TO ENHANCEMENT OF OUR CODE CHANGES. 
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SO, BIKE LANE PARKING, UM, THIS IS ITS CURRENT SECTION THAT DOES NOT RESIDE IN 12 DASH FIVE. 
          UM, AND THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED IN ORDER FOR US TO ENHANCE THE ABILITY FOR OUR MOBILITY SERVICE OFFICERS TO ENFORCE. 
          UM, SO THIS WILL BE FOCUSED ON NOW SAYING DESIGNATED AN OFFICIAL A BIKE LANE, EXCUSE ME, WILL BE DESIGNATED BY OFFICIAL MARKINGS OR SIGNAGE FOR THE SPECIFIC USE OF BICYCLES. 
          UM, THESE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE, IT COULD BE, UM, THE BIKE LANE DESIGNATION. 
          UM, IT COULD BE THE MARKINGS OF THE CHERYL'S ON THE GROUND, IT COULD BE A DELINEATOR. 
          UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND ON, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HELP ENFORCEMENT, KNOWING THAT SOME OF OUR LEGACY BIKE LANES AROUND THE CITY DO NOT HAVE CURRENT SIGNAGE. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE LEGAL ASPECT OF THIS AND UNDERSTANDING THROUGH MUNICIPAL COURT, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT, YOU KNOW, UM, CANNOT PROVIDE SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTIONS ON LANGUAGE, UM, BUT SET TO BE EXTREMELY DETAILED AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN USE THIS AS A POSSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS IN THAT ONE, I'M SURE WE'LL GET HERE, UH, IN THE END. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, 12 DASH FIVE HIGHLIGHTS. 
          UM, WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS. 
          I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE SPECIFIC POINT HERE IS MORE CHANGING OUT AND, AND REMOVING LANGUAGE THAT IS NO LONGER NEEDED. 
          UM, AS WE CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE ABILITY FOR ENFORCEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ENFORCE PROPERLY AND EFFICIENTLY, UM, I THINK IT WAS KEY TO MOVE SOME, YOU KNOW, ANTIQUATED TERMS, IF YOU WILL, THAT NEEDED TO GO THERE. 
          AND ADDING TERMS TO EXPAND. 
          UM, THOSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBILITY OF A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT WAS NOT ADDED IN THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, TOUCH ON VEHICLE LOADING, UNLOADING, UH, FOR MUTUAL EQUIPMENT. 
          THAT USED TO BE A PROGRAM WHERE YOU HAD A PLACE CARD REQUIREMENT WHERE REMOVING THAT TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE O OPTIONS FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF A BUS OR TRANSIT STOP BY, UH, OTHER MOTOR VEHICLES. 
          UM, I THINK ONE KEY THING TO THIS IS PREVIOUSLY IT ALLOWED FOR VEHICLES TO, TO AT A, TO STOP AT A BUS STOP, RIGHT? TO, TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF. 
          UM, SO REMOVING THAT LANGUAGE TO CLEAR UP THOSE, UM, ISSUES THAT MAY, MAY CAUSE BACKUPS WITHIN OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND IN COMMERCIAL VEHICLE LOADING AND LOADING PERMIT PROGRAM, REMOVING THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR THAT, UM, TO EXPAND THAT PROGRAM CITYWIDE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN, UH, FOCUS ON COMMERCIAL VEHICLE LOADING AND ALL OF ARTERIAL STREETS OUTSIDE OF JUST THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN PROJECT COORDINATION ZONE, WHICH IT CURRENTLY IS LIMITED TO. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, CONTINUED. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, DESIGNATED BIKE LANE IS ADDED THERE. 
          UM, WHEN I ALSO TOUCH ON, WHICH IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SPACES, UM, WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE, UH, AN ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY DEFINES WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT ACTIVE CHARGING IS. 
          SO CURRENTLY, IF YOU HAVE, UH, A REGULAR NON CHARGED VEHICLE, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE, NON EV, UM, YOU CAN PARK, UM, AT A ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION NOT CHARGED. 
          AND THERE'S NO SPECIFIC LANGUAGE FOR US TO CITE THAT. 
          SO THIS WILL ALLOW US NOW TO CITE NOT ONLY JUST A MOTOR VEHICLE, BUT EVEN AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAT'S NOT USING IT FOR, UH, ELECTRIC, FOR CHARGING A VEHICLE. 
          UM, AND THEN COMMERCIAL DELIVERY ZONES. 
          SO CURRENTLY IT'S COMMERCIAL SERVICE ZONES, SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING SOME TERMINOLOGY THERE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THOSE USES OF ZONES. 
          AND THIS IS KIND OF TYING BACK INTO, UH, OLDER, UM, LANGUAGE THAT DOES NOT SPECIFY EXACTLY WHAT USES OF A PARKING ZONES ARE THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE, AND IT MAKES MORE CLARITY TO WHAT, TO THE PUBLIC AND WHAT THE SHOULD BE FOR. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, CONTINUING, UM, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT RESIDENT ONLY ZONES, OR AS WE'VE HEARD RESIDENTS ARE PERMIT PARKING. 
          UM, THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN FILE FOR A WHILE. 
          WHAT WE'RE REALLY ADDING HERE IS, EXCUSE ME, UM, IS, UH, DIRECTOR'S AUTHORITY TO PROMULGATE RULES. 
          UM, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS A GUIDELINE. 
          UM, THESE GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, STEWARD THE PROGRAM ITSELF. 
          UM, THERE'S NO PROCESS FOR, FOR PUBLIC FEEDBACK FOR THOSE. 
          UM, WE'VE IN THE PAST GONE INTERNALLY, DONE SOME STAKEHOLDER REVIEW COME TO, UM, URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AS, AS A COURTESY TO GET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, BUT THIS WILL ALLOW US TO ACTUALLY PROMULGATE RULES TO THE RULE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE RULE PROCESS THAT IS SET THROUGH THE CITY, UM, AND REALLY ALLOW US TO UPDATE THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROGRAM PARKING PROGRAM TO WHAT IT CURRENTLY STATE IS. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE HYBRID PARKING AND OTHER ASPECTS OF WHAT WE DO NOW, UM, THAT NEED SOME CHANGES AND TWEAKS TO THE PROGRAM TO ENHANCE IT TO WHAT TODAY'S CURRENT CONDITIONS ARE. 
          UM, OTHERS, YOU KNOW, REALLY FOCUSED ON IS LIABILITY OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE OWNER AND OPERATOR IS ADDING SOME LANGUAGE TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE MUNICIPAL COURT AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE WITH, YOU KNOW, ATTACHING, UH, VEHICLE OWNERSHIP. 
          AND THEN REALLY THE BIGGEST ONE IS CIVIL FINE COSTS AND FEES. 
          SO, UM, UPDATING OUR CURRENT, UM, CIVIL FINES FOR PARKING VIOLATIONS, UM, BASED ON A CONSUMER PRICE INDEX CALCULATOR, WHICH WAS ABOUT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, ABOUT 40%. 
          UM, AND WE'VE STARTED TO INCREASE, UH, FINES AROUND 10 TO $15, WHICH IS 
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BELOW THAT, WHICH IS ABOUT 33%. 
          SO, UM, NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME NEXT STEPS. 
          SO AFTER THIS, UH, WE'LL BE FOCUSED ON GOING TO CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY. 
          UM, THIS NEXT YEAR, UM, IF APPROVED, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE LOOKING TO BEGIN IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS FOR CHANGES WITH MUNICIPAL COURT, WHICH WILL TAKE SOME TIME, UH, WITH A FOCUS ON A SPRING, UH, WARNING CAMPAIGN ON SOME OF THE NEW CHANGES, UH, MAINLY FOCUSED ON AROUND BIKE LANE ENFORCEMENT, BUT AS WELL AS OTHER LANGUAGE CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED WITHIN THE CODE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND LOVE TO TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO I KNOW WE HAVE, UM, UH, A PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION, DRAFT RECOMMENDATION ON THE TABLE, SO WE WANNA DISCUSS THAT, BUT UM, AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT, I MEAN, WE CAN DO IT IN NEITHER ORDER. 
          WE ALSO MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR PRESENTERS, SO JUST ASK THAT Y'ALL WOULD STAY UP THERE AND BE WITH US FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, I'LL CALL ON COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, WHO I THINK HAS WORKED ON THIS, UH, DRAFT RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION, SO IF IT MAKES SENSE TO QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, I THINK ANY ORDER THAT MAKES SENSE, START WITH SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THEY MAY PERCOLATE AND HELP US WHEN WE GET TO THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YEAH, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          UM, I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, SO I'LL START WITH TWO AND THEN I'LL COME BACK. 
          UM, SO ONE THING I DIDN'T SEE IN THERE, IS THERE STILL A SECTION OF CODE RELATING TO RED LIGHT CAMERAS? UH, THOSE ARE BANNED BY STATE LAW. 
          IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE'RE KEEPING THAT, UH, PART OF CODE IN? UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          UM, WAS THAT, WHAT SECTION IS THAT IN? UH, HERE, I CAN TELL YOU REAL QUICK. 
          THAT WOULD BE, UH, SECTION 12 1 63. 
          THE PROPOSED CODE CHANGES WE'RE BRINGING IN ARE JUST 12 THREE AND 12 FIVE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT REFLECTING 12 ONE. 
          THAT'S A REALLY GOOD REASON. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MY SECOND QUESTION IS ON THE, UM, COMMERCIAL, UH, VEHICLE DELIVERY PROGRAM. 
          REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT, UM, THAT'S GOING CITYWIDE. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE UTC RECOMMENDATION A WHILE AGO. 
          SO REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS, UH, HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS YOU SEE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S DELIVERY TRUCKS ARE NUMBER ONE, PARKING IN THE BIKE LANE, UH, BUT SHORT AFTER THEM ARE, UM, RIDE SHARE DRIVERS, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DOING FAVOR DELIVERY, STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GIG ECONOMY WORKERS WHO, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, UH, PERMIT. 
          SO HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE SOME ABILITY TO MAKE DROP OFFS AND PICKUPS? THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY THEY, THEY DO QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, ACTUALLY WORKED WITH, UM, FAVOR IN THE PAST, FOR INSTANCE, WHO WANTED TO CREATE SOME RULES AROUND THIS AND WHAT SIGNAGE THAT THEY NEEDED SPECIFICALLY FOR THEIR VEHICLES. 
          UM, AND THEN WERE ABLE TO SEND THEIR CONTRACTORS' INFORMATION ABOUT OBTAINING PERMITS. 
          UM, SO WE DO ALLOW FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND SO AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, THEY FOLLOW WHAT THE RULES ARE SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE CODE, UH, A CONTRACTOR THAT'S WORKING FOR A COMPANY, UM, UBER EATS OR THOSE THINGS CAN'T OBTAIN THESE PERMITS TO USE TO, TO PARK AND, AND, AND USE THE PROGRAM. 
          AND I ASSUME IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE CONTRACTOR, IN OTHER WORDS, THE UBER DRIVER, THE LYFT DRIVER, WHO WOULD NEED TO PAY FOR THE PERMIT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          I, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE, UM, PARKING IN A BIKE LANE. 
          SO I, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A SORT OF READY TO HAND EXAMPLE. 
          SO, UM, RIGHT BY MY HOUSE IN GRACIE FARMS LANE, THERE'S UM, A PLACE THAT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THIS. 
          THIS LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT GRACIE FARMS LANE KIND OF LOOKS LIKE, UM, RIGHT BY MY HOUSE. 
          AND, UM, UH, THERE'S A AT THE CORNER OF, I FORGET THIS, THIS CROSS STREET, BUT THERE'S A SCHOOL THERE, AND THEN THERE'S SORT OF, UM, THE OTHER DAY I WAS DRIVING BY AND THERE WAS A HUGE, LIKE, TRUCK WITH A TRAILER JUST LIKE PARKED IN THE BIKE LANE. 
          AND ACTUALLY THERE, THE TRUCK, UH, THE TRAILER BED WAS FULLY OVER THE POSTS. 
          SO I WAS LIKE, OH, GREAT, DID WE JUST BREAK OFF ALL THE POSTS THERE WITH THE TRUCK, WITH THE TRAILER BED? AND, UM, THERE'S SOME GUYS THERE THAT WERE CLEARLY WORKING AND IT, I COULDN'T REALLY TELL LIKE THEY WERE LANDSCAPE WORKERS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE MOWING THE SCHOOL LAWN. 
          IT'S THE HARMONY SCHOOL OF SCIENCE THERE. 
          AND I COULDN'T TELL IF, I MEAN, THEY COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN CITY WORKERS DOING SOME CITY WORK, OR THEY COULD HAVE BEEN PEOPLE HIRED BY THE SCHOOL TO MOW AND TRIM BUSHES. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS UNCLEAR. 
          BUT, UM, I WAS LIKE, I THINK, UM, I'M DEFINITELY, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF SOME EXCEPTIONS LIKE A GOVERNMENT VEHICLE OR, YOU KNOW, UH, AN EMERGENCY OFFICER OR, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, A TR A TRASH TRUCK, BUT I THINK LIKE SOMETHING WITH THE VEHICLE TEMPORARILY STOPPED TO COLLECT SOLID WASTE YARD DEBRIS. 
          I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE LIKE, I THINK WITH THAT LANGUAGE. 
          UM, 
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ARE ALL OF THESE USES, UM, IN THE SERVICE OF GOVERNMENT WORK, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? YOUR QUESTION? YES. 
          I, I THINK THAT THAT ANSWERS IS AS FAR AS A QUICK ANSWER. 
          UM, I, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT ANY TYPE OF WORK THAT'S BEING DONE WITHIN OUR RIGHT AWAY HAS PROCESSES, UH, AND OUR ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE, UH, IN TUNE TO WHAT THOSE OR NEEDS ARE. 
          SO IF THEY, UH, COME ACROSS, UM, AN ISSUE LIKE THIS WHERE, YOU KNOW, BIKE LANES BEING CLOSED OR BEING USED, UM, IF THEY'RE PROPERLY USING IT, UM, WITH A REQUIRED PERMIT AND THE REQUIRE A REQUIRED TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN THAT'S PUT IN PLACE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY WILL LOOK AT THAT AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOOD TO GO OR THEY WORK WITH OUR RIGHT OF WAY ENFORCEMENT TEAM TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS THE CASE. 
          UM, ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO CITE VEHICLES, UH, AS REQUIRED, UM, THROUGH EITHER THE CURRENT WAY THAT WE DO IT OR NOW THROUGH THE NEW CODE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, IF I COULD ADD THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME PRIVATELY CONTRACTED TRASH COLLECTION, RECYCLING COLLECTION AT A, A LARGE APARTMENT BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO I, I THINK THE IDEA AND THE INTENTION BEHIND THESE EXCEPTIONS IS THAT IF ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS HAPPENING, IT'S IN SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY IN, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND IT'S VERY SHORT AND TEMPORARY, UH, STOPPAGE OF THAT VEHICLE IN THERE. 
          SO I, I THINK WE'D BE HESITANT TO PUT IN ONLY GOVERNMENT VEHICLES BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THESE OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE THERE IS A, A PRIVATE COMPANY PROVIDING A SERVICE THAT GOVERNMENT ALSO PROVIDES. 
          SO WE DIDN'T WANNA GET TOO FAR IN THOSE WEEDS, BUT I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF THE, OF THE JUDGMENT OF HOW LONG ARE THEY STOPPED THERE AND IS THAT A SERVICE THEY'RE PROVIDING TO THAT BUILDING THAT, THAT COMMUNITY OR THERE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IN THIS CASE, I THINK I KIND OF KNOW THE ANSWER. 
          LIKE, I THINK THESE GUYS HAD OFFLOADED LAWNMOWERS FROM THE TRAILER AND LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST PARKED IN THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY ESTIMATION. 
          LIKE I THINK THEY WERE PRIVATE LANDSCAPERS AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY HAD OTHER OPTIONS. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK ONE THING TOO IS CITIZENS, A LOT OF CITIZENS I KNOW ARE, ARE, UM, AND PEOPLE THAT TALKED TO US WHEN WE WERE TAKING UP SOME OF THESE, UH, BIKE LANE PARKING VIOLATIONS, THINGS THE FIRST ROUND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UH, WANTED, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY AND CLEARLY REPORT VIOLATIONS AND FEEL LIKE THERE WOULD BE SOME ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? LIKE USE THE APP OR HOWEVER THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN AND FEEL LIKE THERE WOULD BE SOME RESOLUTION BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE CHANGES, THESE BLOCKAGES HAVE CONSEQUENCES THAT COULD RESULT IN A SAFETY ISSUE FOR A BIKER OR PEDESTRIAN, BUT THEY'RE VERY EPHEMERAL VIOLATIONS. 
          LIKE SOMEONE'S THERE AND THEN THEY'RE GONE. 
          SO I THINK THAT LIKE FOLKS WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A WAY TO REPORT THAT DIDN'T ENDANGER THEIR SAFETY OR MAYBE DIDN'T CREATE A SOCIAL CONFRONTATION THAT WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ALLOWED AND NOT. 
          SO I THINK THAT, UM, FOR THOSE OF US IN THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE OF THOSE OF US WHO ARE LIKE SORT OF VIOLATION WATCHERS, I THINK  LIKE, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT, UM, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA REPORT A CITY OFFICER CONDUCTING THEIR DUTY OR LIKE SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. 
          I'M JUST RAMBLING ON ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S MY FEEDBACK. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMAN, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE OVERALL THE RESTRICTIONS ON WHERE TO PARK AND HOW LONG YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PARK WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS BUILT IN ARE GETTING GENERALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT, UH, THROUGH THESE MODIFICATIONS. 
          AND JUST A QUESTION, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE HAD THE, UM, ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF STAFF ENFORCEMENT, LIKE THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS THAT THESE CAN BE ENFORCED? YEAH, SO AS, AS FAR AS STAFFING GOES, I MEAN, WE ARE, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE OF, OF WHAT'S THE COMMUNITY DESIRING, WHAT'S IN PLACE TO PROVIDE THE REVENUE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE OFFICERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE FUNDED BY THAT REVENUE. 
          AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS THAT BALANCE AS WE, YOU KNOW, FIND THE BALANCE OF THESE POLICY GOALS THAT WE HAVE AND THE TENSION THAT COMES WITH THAT, THAT HEALTHY TENSION. 
          AND SO I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL, UM, THANKFULLY IN THE LAST BUDGET DID PASS 10 ADDITIONAL MOBILITY SERVICE OFFICERS. 
          WE'VE JUST GOT THEM HIRED. 
          I JUST TALKED TO JOSEPH ABOUT THAT TODAY. 
          UH, THEY'LL BE HIRED. 
          AND SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONSTANTLY BE SEEING AND ADJUSTING TOWARDS WHAT'S THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS DESIRING, WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE AND, AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE GOALS THERE. 
          SO, UH, I THINK WITH THE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS COMING ON, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO MORE DEDICATED EFFORTS AROUND THINGS LIKE BIKE LANE ENFORCEMENT. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROMISING TECHNOLOGY, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER HAS ALREADY POINTED US TO THAT WE'RE GONNA START DIGGING INTO AND SEE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE WAYS TO, UM, NOT ONLY HAVE THE STAFF BUT AUGMENT THAT THROUGH TECHNOLOGY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE COMMON GOALS AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL BE ALWAYS TAKING, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT AND CONTINUOUSLY EVALUATING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ACTUALLY AS WELL. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE FINES. 
          SO, UM, I, THIS IS A, AN ISSUE THAT I PERSONALLY FIND MYSELF VERY CONFLICTED ON, 
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AND I CERTAINLY DON'T FEEL I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS WHEN IT COMES TO, TO CITY FINES BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, UM, FINES AND FEES, UM, RESEARCH HAS SHOWN US HOW THAT CAN IMPACT LOWER INCOME POPULATIONS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BIPOC POPULATIONS, JUST, UM, IT'S, UM, AT THE SAME TIME I FEEL LIKE OBVIOUSLY LIKE THERE'S SOME COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING ALL DAY IN SPOTS. 
          THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN WITH NO FINE OR CONSEQUENCE EVER BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING AWAY, YOU KNOW, BENEFITS THAT ARE WE ALL OWN, RIGHT? AND PAY FOR THROUGH OUR TAXES AND SO ON. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE. 
          UM, AND, UM, SO I GUESS, I THINK YOU SAID THIS, BUT COULD YOU JUST REMIND ME, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT FINES WERE UPDATED? WAS THAT 2009 OR DID I YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S BEEN SINCE 2009 SINCE WE'VE UPDATED. 
          AND, AND COULD YOU TALK ME THROUGH, I THINK YOU SAID, UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE POTENTIALLY COULD THE FINES GO UP? SO THROUGH, UH, CONSUMER PRICE INDEXING, IT'S UP BY 40%. 
          UM, SO WE, WE DID A STUDY LOOKING AT DIFFERENT CITIES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE AT, WHAT WE COULD DO AND WHAT THOSE FINES COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND OUR AVERAGE INCREASE IN FINES IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10 TO $15, WHICH IS ABOUT 33%. 
          UM, NOW THERE IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ON STREET RATES, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PEOPLE THAT PARK ACTUALLY CAN RECEIVE A PARKING CITATION THAT'S CHEAPER THAN IT IS TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR PARKING. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT REALLY IN EXHIBITING THE BEHAVIORS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THE OUTCOMES. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY WITH FINES. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THESE FINES ALSO AS WELL AS THAT ARE FOCUSED AROUND SAFETY, UM, YOU KNOW, DON'T MEET THOSE EXPECTATIONS TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR. 
          AND SO WE LOOKED AT THAT, BUT WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX 'CAUSE IT'S THE MOST CONSISTENT WAY OF, OF LOOKING AT, UH, FINES, UM, AND INCREASING. 
          SO YOU SAID THAT THAT MIGHT BE A 10 TO $15 INCREASE IN THE FINES? CORRECT. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY INTRIGUING THAT SOMEBODY, I MEAN, I'M SURE PEOPLE DO THAT THEY WOULD SAY, OH, IT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER FOR ME TO PARK HERE AND PAY A FINE THAN TO, TO PAY THE PARKING METER. 
          THAT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE, UH, STAT. 
          SO I THINK, UM, I, I WOULD, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON SPECIFICALLY WHAT Y'ALL SHOULD DO, BUT I THINK THERE ALMOST SURELY WILL BE SOME ATTENTION AND DISCUSSION TO THAT WHEN THIS GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO I THINK Y'ALL SHOULD JUST BE WELL PREPARED TO DISCUSS SOME OF THOSE IMPACTS AS WELL. 
          UM, SOUNDS LIKE YOU, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          I'M, I'M ALREADY FAIRLY CONVINCED FROM SOME OF THE STUFF YOU SAID JUST NOW, BUT, UM, I THINK Y'ALL SHOULD JUST COME PREPARED. 
          I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE, UM, THOSE KINDS OF CITY FINES THAT ARE SORT OF, UM, IN PENALTIES CAN BE REALLY COMPLEX. 
          AND, AND WE'VE LEARNED THAT, UM, THROUGH A LOT OF OUR RECENT HISTORY IN THE US SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO REALLY THINK ABOUT CAREFULLY, UM, AND BE, BE EQUIPPED WHEN YOU GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND IF I COULD ADD TOO, WE DID, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT SOME PEER CITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE IN LINE AND, AND TYPICALLY WE'RE STILL BELOW A LOT OF OUR KIND OF MAJOR PEER CITIES. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WANNA BE THOUGHTFUL AS WELL. 
          WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, MY PRIOR ROLE LOOKING THROUGH THE VISION ZERO LENS, WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE LEVELS TO, TO DETER BEHAVIOR WITHOUT CAUSING UNDUE HARM AND, AND ACTUALLY GET THAT BEHAVIOR CHANGE WITHOUT HAVING UNDUE HARM TO THE LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES. 
          SO I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO APPROACH THAT VERY CAREFULLY AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE ONES THAT MAYBE WE DO NEED TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OR BEYOND TO, TO REALLY INCENTIVIZE BEHAVIOR CHANGE AROUND THESE ONES THAT IMPACT SAFETY THE MOST. 
          AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LIKE BLOCKING A DRIVEWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S A $10 CHANGE, RIGHT? AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET BACK UP AT SOME POINT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET INFLATION AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ALL THE WAY THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO GO ALL THE WAY THERE. 
          WE JUST TRYING TO TAKE SOME INCREMENTAL STEPS OVER TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE IMPETUS FOR HAVING THE FINE IN THE FIRST PLACE BACK IN 2009 OR WHENEVER IT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED, CONTINUES TO BE AN IMPETUS IN THE FUTURE TO PROMOTE THAT BEHAVIOR CHANGE. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING TO ADD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE JUST KIND OF STACKING ON HERE. 
          BUT LIKE, UM, THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT WE'VE RECENTLY MADE THOSE CHANGES TO ALLOW FOR, AND WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THESE CODE CHANGES AS FAR AS TECHNOLOGY GOES. 
          AND, AND ALLOWING ACCESSIBILITY THROUGH PEOPLE TO PAY THE PART. 
          BEFORE THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. 
          WE WERE WRITING MORE CITATIONS FOR THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. 
          ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS TIME LIMITS. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WOULD BE A THREE HOUR TIME LIMIT AND THEY WOULD BE OVER BY 10 OR 15 MINUTES AND GET A CITATION. 
          WELL NOW WE'VE OPENED THAT UP FOR TO 10 HOURS MAX, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, ALSO GO BACK AND EXTEND THEIR TIME LIMITS, UM, THROUGH THE APP, RIGHT? UM, SO ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT, THAT ADD UP TO ALLOW FOR MORE ACCESSIBILITY AND USE AND, AND OF THE PROGRAM ITSELF NOW LEANS US TO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S COMPLIANCE ON THE OTHER END AND ENHANCE THE BEHAVIORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST ONE LAST POINT ON THAT. 
          I'M SORRY, , IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? THIS TOPIC. 
          AND JUST ONE LAST CLARITY, CLARIFICATION FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT NOT BE 
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CLEAR ON IT. 
          UM, THE FINES AND FEES ARE GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THEY DO NOT COME BACK TO THE PARKING ENTERPRISE DIVISION OR TO TPW AS A DEPARTMENT. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS OUR ABILITY TO GET THE WORK DONE. 
          THIS IS ABOUT BEHAVIOR CHANGE AND IN A CONSTRAINED FISCAL ENVIRONMENT, I, I THINK COULD BE, UM, USEFUL IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          NOW THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION. 
          LIKE IF YOU HAD A PARKING BENEFIT DISTRICT OR A PARKING TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT HAD A SPECIFIC, A SPECIFICITY AROUND WHERE THE FINES WENT, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THOSE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S, UM, THERE'S SOME CALCULATIONS AS FAR AS COVERING THE EXPENSE OF THE ENFORCEMENT FOR THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN NET REVENUES, THERE'D BE A PERCENTAGE GOING BACK TO THAT DISTRICT. 
          CORRECT. 
          GREAT. 
          DID I SEE COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER? YEP. 
          YOU CERTAINLY DID. 
          UM, YEAH, AND I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD ON THAT IS ADJUSTING IT TO THE, UM, CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, I THINK MAKES A TON OF SENSE. 
          BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THERE, IF YOU WANT TO GO MORE ON THE LINE OF, UH, BREAKING IT UP BETWEEN WHAT ARE LEGITIMATE SAFETY VIOLATIONS AND WHAT ARE MORE QUALITY OF LIFE VIOLATIONS, I THINK THAT WAS REALLY THE SPIRIT IN WHICH CITY COUNCIL PASSED THIS RESOLUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS STARTING TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT CAN BE A GOOD JOURNEY TOO. 
          UH, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS ARE APPROACHING IN THE RIGHT WAY. 
          I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TWO OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN THE RESOLUTION, UM, AND SEE JUST WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROGRESS ON THAT. 
          FIRST, GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SPLITTING UP, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE IN, UH, UH, SAFETY ENFORCEMENT, UH, THE RESOLUTION TALKED ABOUT SETTING A SPECIFIC TIME SPLIT GOAL FOR HOW MUCH TIME WE WANT, UH, T SMOS TO BE SPENDING ON THINGS LIKE BIKE LANE ENFORCEMENT ACCESSIBILITY AND WHAT WE WANT ON PARKING METERS. 
          WHERE ARE WE IN DETERMINING THAT CALCULATION? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I KNOW WE'VE COME HERE FOR MAINLY JUST THE CODE CHANGES THEMSELVES. 
          I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE FOCUS, BUT WE CAN GET BACK, COME BACK TO YOU ON THOSE. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE FOCUS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING HOW OUR STAFF AND KIND OF WHAT LOU WAS TALKING ABOUT, ADDING MORE STAFF AND UNDERSTANDING OUR RESOURCES, UM, TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER TO COME WITH A BETTER ANSWER TO YOU FOR THAT. 
          SURE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, GOING BACK ON THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? SO THIS IS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE, I THINK YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS WITH A, A LITTLE BIT OF A GRACE PERIOD IN SPRING. 
          SO PART OF THAT ALSO WAS, UH, PART OF THE RESOLUTION SAID IF WE CAN'T DO VOLUNTEER BIKE LANE ENFORCEMENT, WHICH WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          THAT WE, UH, THE CITY MANAGER SHOULD SUGGEST SOME ALTERNATIVE WAYS WE COULD GET TO THAT GOAL. 
          DO YOU HAVE, WILL WE HAVE THOSE ALTERNATIVES FOR ENFORCEMENT GOING INTO SPRING 2025 WHEN WE START ENFORCING, UH, ALL OF THESE NEW LAWS THROUGH THE, THE GRACE PERIOD? YEAH. 
          I THINK ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. 
          I I THINK, AGAIN, FOCUSING ON OUR CODE CHANGES HERE, BUT UM, JUST KIND OF PREVIOUS TO MY PREVIOUS ANSWER, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON UNDERSTANDING OUR STAFF AND WE JUST HIRED THESE TWO MSOS. 
          WE CAN DEFINITELY COME BACK WITH ANSWERS ON ANALYSIS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY TAKE SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT FROM THE, UH, UH, RESOLUTION AND, AND AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          AND I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THOSE SOUNDS GREAT. 
          OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE, ABOUT THE PRESENTATION OR PROPOSED CHANGES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT MAY BE TIME FOR US TO QUEUE UP THE DRAFT IF YOU WANNA, UM, TALK US THROUGH THAT A BIT. 
          COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IT BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN IT. 
          AND FIRST, LIKE, LET'S JUST TAKE A STEP BACK. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DATED BACK ALL THE WAY TO MARIO CHAMPIONS, UH, RECOMMENDATION BACK AND WHAT WAS THAT? 2021? 2020. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T GOING TO IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING WE WANTED TO SEE IN TERMS OF, UH, CRACKING DOWN ON ILLEGAL PARKING IN THE BIKE LANE, BUT THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE A HUGE STEP. 
          UH, AND IT WAS DONE IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER. 
          SO STAFF DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT IN THE WORLD FOR THAT. 
          UM, WITH THAT, I, I PREPARED THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT. 
          I PREPARED IT BEFORE I GOT MARRIED AND WENT ON MY HONEYMOON. 
          SO YOU PROBABLY WERE SENT IT, UH, IN MID, IN A WHILE. 
          SO, UM, I'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT TO, UM, GO THROUGH IT. 
          UM, I'LL SKIP KIND OF THE, WHEREAS IS, 'CAUSE THAT JUST KIND OF BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          YOU KNOW, UTC RECOMMENDATIONS AS S AND P, ALL OF THAT STUFF. 
          UH, AND START WITH THE FIRST BE RESOLVE, WHICH I THINK IS, IS KIND OF JUST A CHARGE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, WHICH I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND STATE, WHICH, UH, SAYS THAT WE WANT CITY STAFF TO APPROACH CODE CHANGES REGARDING PARKING IN THE BIKE LANE WITH A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. 
          UNDERSTANDING THAT ANY VEHICLE PARKED IN THE BIKE LANE CREATES AN INHERENT SAFETY RISK FOR BICYCLISTS. 
          AND THEREBY ONE LIMIT EXEMPTIONS TO SITUATIONS WHERE A MOTOR VEHICLE NEEDS TO PARK IN THE BIKE LANE FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL ROAD USERS. 
          AND TWO, LIMIT THE SCOPE OF EXEMPTIONS TO ENSURE WIDESPREAD KNOWLEDGE THAT PARKING IN THE BIKE LANE IS ILLEGAL EXCEPT IN RARE AND BONAFIDE EMERGENCIES. 
          AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS THAT THE MORE WE ALLOW EXCEPTIONS TO GROW, THE MORE THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERCEPTION OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE CAN PARK IN THE BIKE LANE. 
          SO IF WE LIMIT THAT TO WHERE IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND PEOPLE LEGITIMATELY 
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DON'T HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE, OR IT IS NECESSARY FOR SAFETY OF EVERYONE, THEN IT'LL CREATE THAT WIDESPREAD KNOWLEDGE. 
          I THINK ANYONE WHO'S TALKED TO SOMEONE WHO'S PARKED IN THE BIKE LANE, UH, YOU, YOU TALK TO DELIVERY DRIVERS ALL THE TIME AND THEY ARE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PARK IN THE BIKE LANE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          BUT IT COMES DOWN TO A MISUNDERSTANDING OF HOW OUR CITY CODE WORKS. 
          SO THIS IS ALL ABOUT SIMPLIFYING THAT. 
          THAT'S KIND OF PERSPECTIVE I WANT US TO TAKE AS WE GO INTO THOSE EXEMPTIONS. 
          SO I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM AND EXPLAIN THE AMENDMENT I'M PROPOSING IN THIS. 
          UM, SO FIRST, A GOVERNMENT VEHICLE PERFORMING SOME TYPE OF REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE, I SUGGESTED WE ALTER THAT TO INCLUDE THAT GOVERNMENT VEHICLES MAY PARK ONLY IN THE BIKE LANE UPON FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDURES FOR CLOSING A BIKE LANE OUTLINED IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN STANDARD. 
          AND THEN THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL. 
          UH, BASICALLY MY, MY THEORY HERE IS, YOU KNOW, IF A REGULAR DELIVERY VEHICLE OR SOMEONE DOING WORK WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES FOR CLOSING A BIKE LANE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING  EXPERIENCES, UH, WITH PEOPLE DOING THINGS LIKE FIBER OPERATIONS, UH, WHERE BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO THEORETICALLY PARK IN THE BIKE LANE, THEY WERE DOING SO IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT WASN'T NECESSARY. 
          UH, AND THEY WERE ALSO NOT FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDURES WE WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEONE OPERATING THERE. 
          SO I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE IF WE'RE ASKING A GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR DOING WORK TO CLOSE THE BIKE LANE, THEN THEY FOLLOW THE PROPER PROCEDURES IN TERMS OF GETTING A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT TO DO THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE, UH, TALKS ABOUT AUTHORIZED USAGE MARKED BY REGULATORY SIGNAGE. 
          THIS IS THE PLACES WHERE IT IS ALLOWED TO PARK IN THE BIKE LANE BY SIGNAGE. 
          UM, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT A SUNSET ON THIS PROVISION. 
          I THINK JANUARY 1ST, 2028 SEEMS LIKE A GOOD TIME. 
          UH, THAT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS TO WORK ON CLOSING ALL OF THOSE LOOPHOLES, ALTERING ANY CONTRACTS WE NEED. 
          UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY WELCOME STAFF'S FEEDBACK ON HOW FEASIBLE THAT TIMELINE WOULD BE. 
          UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD PUT IN OUR CODE FOREVER. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD PUT IN OUR CODE UNTIL IT'S, UH, NECESSARY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA STOP THERE 'CAUSE I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT SECTION SINCE THAT'S REALLY THE MEAT AND BONES. 
          I CAN GO THROUGH EVERYTHING. 
          I JUST WANNA STOP IN CASE ANYONE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. 
          KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. 
          LET'S KEEP GOING. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT'D BE BETTER 
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TO COME BACK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE, UH, I'LL JUST EXPLAIN IN BROAD TERMS. SO THE UTC HAS BEEN SUGGESTING FOR A LONG TIME THAT WE, UM, UH, UH, TAKE PICTURE OR ALLOW PHOTOS SUBMITTED TO 3 1 1 TO BE DIRECTLY TICKETED OFF OF USING THE EVIDENCE FROM THE 3 1 1 APP. 
          UH, WHEN TPW PRESENTED TO THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY POINTED OUT WAS, WE COULDN'T DO THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE CITY CODE STATES THAT, UH, IT HAS TO BE AFFIXED TO A VEHICLE. 
          SO I'M SAYING HERE IS, LET'S PREEMPT THAT. 
          THERE'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE SOME TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA WANNA SEND PARKING CITATIONS BY MAIL, UH, BY TAKING OUR EXISTING RED LIGHT CAMERAS LAW, UH, WHICH IS DORMANT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW RED LIGHT CAMERAS, UH, AND APPLY THAT TO PARKING, UH, CITATIONS SO THAT IF IN THE FUTURE CITY COUNCIL WANTS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO MAIL CITATIONS, WE HAVE THAT IN THERE FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND THE FINAL ONE IS RELATING TO THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, UH, LOADING PERMIT. 
          UH, GREAT TO HEAR THAT. 
          UM, IT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE EXPANDED CITYWIDE. 
          UM, I PUT A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THERE TO HELP SIMPLIFY, UM, AS POSSIBLE SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT WE COULD DO. 
          UM, FIRST, I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THE, THE PERMIT IS A LITTLE EXPENSIVE. 
          IT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS AS I RECALL. 
          UM, AND I, I THINK THAT'S A LOT TO ASK UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS TO GO OUT AND BUY ON THEIR OWN, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, DOORDASH, PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE DOING THIS THAT OFTEN. 
          UM, AND I ALSO THINK IN OUR EVERYDAY LIVES PEOPLE HAVE NEEDS TO DO LIKE A, A, YOU KNOW, A QUICK DELIVERY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER I, I WAS HOSTING THIS BIG, UH, CONVENTION, UH, IN DOWNTOWN AND I HAD A, LIKE 50 CHAIRS IN A CAR, UH, AND THERE WASN'T A LOADING DOCK. 
          AND I WAS JUST DRIVING AROUND LIKE, WHERE THE HELL DO I, YOU KNOW, PUT THESE DOWN. 
          UM, I THINK EVERYONE HAS NEEDS LIKE THAT. 
          SO 15 MINUTES I THINK IS A REASONABLE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE SOME ABILITY TO UNLOAD WHEN THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, UH, TRAVEL LANE. 
          UH, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THERE ARE SOME CURRENT RESTRICTIONS IN CODE ON YOU CAN'T DELIVER TO CERTAIN STREETS BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX OR SEVEN TO NINE, WHICH I DEFINITELY GET THE IDEA OF. 
          BUT WHEN I'VE TALKED TO COMMERCIAL, UH, DELIVERY DRIVERS, THEY TELL ME THEY GET REALLY CONFUSED BY THAT. 
          UH, IT OFTEN LEADS TO THEM KIND OF NOT FOLLOWING THE PROGRAM AT ALL, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKING ON THOSE STREETS ANYWAYS. 
          'CAUSE THEY CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          IT'S USUALLY ON THE BACK OF THEIR PLACARD, BUT THEY DON'T ALWAYS READ THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THERE. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, I GUESS I MIGHT MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, GET RID OF THE THIRD ONE SINCE, UH, HE MENTIONED THAT WE CAN, UH, ALREADY, UH, GIG ECONOMY PEOPLE CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. 
          AND THE FINAL ONE WOULD BE CONSIDERING LOWERING FEES FOR THE PERMIT. 
          AS I SAID BEFORE, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF A, YOU KNOW, BIG COMPANY LIKE FEDEX OR, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF DELIVERY SERVICE, IT, IT'S KIND OF AN EXPENSIVE THING TO BUY. 
          AND I THINK WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE PART IN THIS PROGRAM, UH, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE DOING THIS, THEY'RE NOT PARKING IN THE BIKE LANE, UH, HOPEFULLY AT LEAST. 
          SO OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL OF THAT. 
          UH, NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONER CALVIN? UM, I AM RIGHT NOW WHAT I, I ALREADY KIND OF WANT TO STRIKE SOMETHING FROM THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT I'M THINKING AND GET A READ ON IF THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          I DON'T LOVE THE EXCEPTION NOT INCLUDING GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY AND FOR ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT AND THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE WANT, WE DO TEND TO RELY ON A LOT OF, UH, CONTRACTORS TO BUILD, REPAIR, MAINTAIN OUR FACILITIES. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE ASKING THEM TO GO THROUGH MORE STEPS FOR, UH, TO BE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, UM, WE'RE ADDING SORT OF A TIME TAX AND MAYBE EVEN A MONETARY TAX TO THE STUFF THAT LIKE WE ALL REALLY WANT. 
          AND I'M JUST WORRIED THAT LIKE THIS MIGHT JUST BE AN ADDITIONAL SORT OF REGULATORY LIKE ANNOYANCE FOR THIS LIKE SORT OF A GENERAL GOOD THAT WE ALL WANT TO SEE, WHICH IS WELL MAINTAINED AND, UH, IN GOOD CONDITION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OF WAY FACILITIES. 
          I MEAN, I THINK YOU MAY BE RIGHT. 
          WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I THINK GENERALLY WHEN SOMEONE'S DOING WORK ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY WOULD'VE ALREADY HAD TO GET A PERMIT, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IMPACTING THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU WOULD NEED A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT. 
          I CAN'T THINK OF TOO MANY TIMES WHERE YOU CAN'T, WHERE I'VE SEEN THIS, AND THIS REALLY COMES FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, IS PEOPLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I KEEP SAYING FIBER, BUT THEY'RE HONESTLY LIKE ONE OF THE WORST ONES. 
          , UM, OR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DOING LANDSCAPING FOR THE CITY OR ANOTHER BIG ONE. 
          UM, ONE, THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE PROPER PROCEDURES FOR CLOSING A BIKE LANE. 
          AND TWO, THEY OFTEN DO IT IN TIMES WHEN IT'S NOT NECESSARY. 
          THEY COULD HAVE PARKED, BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET. 
          THE OTHER WAY THEY JUST CHOSE TO USE BIKE LANE 'CAUSE IT MADE THEIR LIFE SLIGHTLY EASIER, EVEN IF IT JEOPARDIZED EVERYONE'S SAFETY. 
          AND I I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE THERE A LOT LONGER THAN THEY REALLY SHOULD BE. 
          UM, IN MUELLER THERE WAS ONE LANDSCAPING COMPANY THAT BASICALLY SHUT DOWN A BIKE LANE FOR THREE DAYS. 
          UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE SEEING IT. 
          IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE 
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DOING CONSTRUCTION ON THE ROADWAY, IF THAT'S YOUR CONCERN, I WOULD THINK IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES THEY WOULD NEED A PERMIT ANYWAYS. 
          I, I THINK IN TERMS OF WHERE I SEE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS PARKING IN THE BIKE LANE, IT'S GENERALLY NOT EMERGENCY THINGS. 
          UH, IT'S GENERALLY NOT NECESSARY. 
          AND IN TIMES WHEN IT IS NECESSARY, I THINK IT'S CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IF IT WAS A GENERAL TRAVEL LANE, WE WOULD ASK THEM TO GET A PERMIT. 
          THIS IS A, THERE IT'S OUT. 
          UH, THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT COMMERCIAL TRASH HAULERS. 
          UH, WHO SERVE APARTMENT BUILDINGS? ARE THEY DIFFERENTIATED FROM, SAY, LANDSCAPE UH, SERVICES BY SOME KIND OF A PERMIT? COULD WE, LEGAL, IS THERE A LEGAL DESIGNATION FOR COMMERCIAL TRASH HAULERS? UH, I WANNA SAY I, I USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN FOR IT TO TAKE  TAKE ON THE LIFE THAT IT HAS IN THIS CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, YEAH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THIS TIME. 
          I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          BUT YEAH, I THINK THE, THE DISTINCTION THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER COMAN MADE WAS, IS ACCURATE. 
          WE KNOW, JUST THINKING ABOUT URBAN FORESTRY FOR EXAMPLE, THEY, THEY GO OUT AND THEY HAVE CONTRACTORS THAT DO TREE MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? AND THEY MIGHT ONLY BE THERE FOR A FEW MINUTES TO GET RID OF A BRANCH, BUT THEY, THEY AREN'T GOING AND GETTING A FULL TRAFFIC CONTROL PERMIT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA SET UP, UM, YOU KNOW, A MASSIVE TRAFFIC CONTROL WITH ALL THE SIGNAGE, BUT THEY'LL PROBABLY PUT OUT A FEW CONES, MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THEIR, THEIR VEHICLE BEING THERE IN THOSE CASES, THEY'VE GOT EQUIPMENT, THEY'VE GOTTA BE CLOSE TO THE SITE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT SITE MIGHT BE OVER A BIKE LANE. 
          SO I, I THINK WHAT WE ARE GETTING IS THE INTENT IS TO HAVE IT BE VERY LIMITED IF IT'S GONNA BE THERE, HAVE THE EXCEPTION BE VERY LIMITED, UH, ENSURE THAT WE CAN MAYBE ADD SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING IN THOSE, IN THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          UM, I THINK WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND ALSO, I, I THINK WE CAN DIG INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES THAT WE MIGHT BE CONTRACTING FOR AND TRY TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT IMPACT MIGHT BE FOR THIS PARTICULAR CODE SECTION. 
          I, I THINK WITH THEIR ASSURANCES THAT THEY'LL LOOK INTO A TIME LIMIT. 
          I WOULD BE WILLING TO STRIKE THAT FOR ARE, SORRY, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT THE FIRST BULLET? YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ALREADY LOOKING DOWN AT THE LIKE SOLID WASTE RECYCLING YARD, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON, UH, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE BULLET, LIKE THE VERY FIRST ONE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          I, I ALSO WROTE THAT I DON'T FULLY AGREE, SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, UM, AS WELL ON THAT ONE. 
          YEAH, AND I THINK WE'RE KIND OF BUMPING BETWEEN THE FIRST BULLET, I THINK. 
          SO THE REP THE GOVERNMENT VEHICLE REPORTING CORRECT REPAIR, PERFORMING SOME TYPE OF REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE AND, AND THE PROPOSED DRAFT SAYING ELIMINATING THE IDEA OF GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS VERSUS THE ONE TWO MM-HMM. 
           FOURTH BULLET POINT, WHICH IS A VEHICLE TEMPORARILY STOPPED TO COLLECT SOLID WASTE RECYCLING OR YARD DEBRIS. 
          ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY, LIKE I'M, I CAN ABSOLUTELY THINK OF SOME PLACES, SOME OF THEM ARE COMING TO MIND IN LIKE WEST CAMPUS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE ARE DUMPSTERS THAT REALLY JUST SIT ONTO THE STREET ALMOST. 
          AND SO LIKE, YES, LIKE A, A PRIVATE, UH, TRASH COLLECTION COMPANY FOR APARTMENT COMPLEX MAY NEED TO TEMPORARILY STOP THERE TO GET THE DUMPSTER ONCE A WEEK. 
          THAT'S VERY EPHEMERAL. 
          WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES TWO MINUTES AT MOST TO LIKE LOAD A DUMPSTER, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. 
          I THINK THAT MAYBE WHAT'S TRIGGERING ME, AND YOU GOT THIS A LITTLE BIT FROM MY QUESTION BEFORE, IS THE YARD DEBRIS WHERE IT'S LIKE SITTING FOR TWO HOURS IN THE BIKE LANE BECAUSE IT WAS EASY. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO SERVE, LIKE YOU'RE A PRIVATE LANDSCAPER TRYING TO WORK ON THE SIDE YARD OF A SCHOOL, A CHARTER SCHOOL, AND IT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO DRIVE YOUR LAWNMOWERS OFF THAT WAY VERSUS ACTUALLY PARKING IN THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT LIKE THAT SHOULDN'T, LIKE THE SCHOOL HAS A, LITERALLY HAS A PARKING LOT. 
          IT JUST, YOU DIDN'T WANNA DRIVE A FEW MORE FEET WITH YOUR LAWNMOWERS, YOU KNOW? SO LIKE, I THINK LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, PICKING UP YARD DEBRIS TO LOAD IT AND CARRY AWAY WOULD AGAIN BE PRETTY EPHEMERAL OF A BLOCKAGE VERSUS SITTING THERE AND UNLOADING ALL OF OUR LAWNMOWERS AND, AND THINGS TO LIKE DO EXTENDED LANDSCAPING WORK. 
          SO I THINK IT MAY ACTUALLY IN, IN THE MINDS OF STAFF OF HOW YOU'VE WRITTEN IT, YOU WERE THINKING ONE THING, BUT YOU'RE, BECAUSE OF OUR LIVED EXPERIENCE , YOU'RE GETTING A DIFFERENT THING. 
          WE'RE LIKE, NO, YOU ARE DEBRIS LIKE , LANDSCAPING . 
          NO, WE'RE NOT ON A WAR ON LANDSCAPING. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK MAYBE, UM, JUST MAKING REALLY CLEAR THAT LIKE TEMPORARILY STOPPED PICKING UP, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE, OKAY, I'M JUST DOING BECAUSE I'M LANDSCAPING AND WORKING ON YARD AND IT MIGHT INCLUDE PICKING UP LAWN DEBRIS. 
          I JUST NOW HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO PIKE PARKING THE BIKE LANE FOR FOUR HOURS EVERY TIME I'M SERVICING THIS SCHOOL. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN WE ASK WHAT, 
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WHY YARD? BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT IS REALLY THE ISSUE HERE. 
          WHAT YARD DEBRIS IS AND WHY THAT'S THERE. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE INTENT WAS JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT CURRENT USES IN OUR, YOU KNOW, BIKE LANES COULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE CURRENT A RR PICKS UP, YOU KNOW, DEBRIS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LANGUAGE USE HERE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S THE TRIGGERING POINT? SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO AND UNDERSTAND BASICALLY FROM WHAT Y'ALLS LIVED EXPERIENCES ARE AND TRY TO REFORM SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'D BE BETTER. 
          AND THEN LOOK INTO THE TIME LIMITS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I THINK I HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT CAN SOLVE EVERYTHING BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE DONE WITH THE DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MOTION TO AMEND, UH, WHERE IT SAYS ALTER TO INCLUDE THAT GOVERNMENT VEHICLES MAY ONLY PARK IN THE BIKE LANE, ADD FOR LESS THAN 60 SECONDS OR, AND THEN IT'LL CONTINUE UPON FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDURES. 
          THEN DELETE THE BULLET AFTER IT THAT SAYS, CLARIFY THAT THIS EXCEPTION DOES NOT APPLY TO GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS. 
          AND THEN ON THE FOURTH BULLET, DELETE THE PART THAT SAYS AMEND VEHICLE TO GOVERNMENT VEHICLE AND SUBSTITUTE REMOVE YARD DEBRIS. 
          I DON'T, SO WHEN I THINK YARD DEBRIS, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT LIKE THE SNOWSTORM, LIKE THAT'S WHAT KIND OF WENT INTO MY HEAD WAS THE TEMPORARY LIKE SNOWSTORM WHEN WE NEEDED LIKE CITY STAFF AND WE NEEDED OTHER PEOPLE TO COME AND CLEAN UP OUR YARD, LIKE OUR FALLEN TREES. 
          THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE MY MIND WENT. 
          I DIDN'T GO STRAIGHT TO JUST A PERSON BRINGING OUT THEIR LAWNMOWER, YOU KNOW, LIKE I ACTUALLY WENT TO LIKE BIG TICKET ITEMS AND NOT, NOT THAT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT, BUT THAT'S KIND WHERE MY MIND WENT. 
          THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          SO IS YARD DEBRIS, UH, QUALITATIVELY OR LEGALLY DIFFERENT IN CODE THAN SOLID WASTE? OR IS IT JUST ANOTHER FORM OF A SPECIFIC CA SPECIFIC TYPE OF SOLID WASTE? I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER SPECIFIC, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY DIFFERENTIATOR. 
          I DON'T THINK WE LOOKED AT IT IN THAT WAY. 
          WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IN THE CASE OF SNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DO WE CONTRACT WITH ANY PRIVATE COMPANIES? WE DO FOR THAT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL, BUT IF WE'RE REMOVING THE PART THAT SAYS THIS IS, UH, GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS MM-HMM, , RIGHT? IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A VEHICLE DOING GOVERNMENT WORK IS ALLOWED TO BE IN THE BIKE LANE FOR 60 SECONDS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL IT SHOULD TAKE TO PLOW A SECOND, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP MOVING DOWN, RIGHT? OR TO, UM, UH, USE THE PROPER PROCEDURE TO CLOSE A BIKE LANE. 
          I I THINK THAT COVERS THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          , I PREFER, I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I PREFER TO KEEP IT AS IS. 
          UM, I I JUST DON'T, I I JUST THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE TOO NITPICKY ON THIS LIKE ONE ITEM VERSUS LIKE, IT, IT, THEY, THEY MENTIONED IT, RIGHT? IT IT'S JUST, IT'S A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO IN THE END IT'S, AND I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IN MY HEAD IT'S, IT'S A TEMPORARY PART AND SO I DON'T THINK YOU COULD PLOW IN 60 MINUTES. 
          LIKE YOU CAN'T PICK UP TREE DEBRIS THAT FELL IN 60 SECONDS. 
          LIKE YOU JUST CANNOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO GO AHEAD. 
          WELL, YEAH, I JUST THINK THEY WOULD FALL ONTO THE FIRST EXEMPTION. 
          I, I WILL SAY, I, I, I KNOW THIS DOES COME OFF AS NITPICKY, BUT IT, IT HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM FOR ME AND MY OWN LIVED EXPERIENCE IN TRY, LIKE I, I THINK IT IS, IF I HAD TO PUT A PERCENTAGE ON IT, FOUR OR 5% OF PEOPLE I ENCOUNTER PARKED IN THE BIKE LANE ARE COLLECTING SOMETHING RIGHT FROM THERE. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS ESPECIALLY PREVALENT IN TWO-WAY PROTECTED BIKE LANES. 
          UM, IT'S WHERE I SEE IT HAPPEN THE MOST, UH, LIKE ON ZACH'S, SCOTT AND MUELLER, I SEE IT ALL THE TIME ON, UM, SHOW CREEK BOULEVARD. 
          I SEE IT ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW WE CAN CRAFT THIS. 
          SO, SO I KNOW THERE'S A, A MOTION AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE, BUT I, I THINK MAYBE JUST CLARIFYING THAT. 
          UM, SO I THINK THE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN RECAP WHAT YOU SAID, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO YOU SAID ON THE FIRST BULLET POINT THAT WAS WHERE YOU WANTED TO INSERT THE 62ND OR UPON FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDURE? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW FOR THAT. 
          I MEAN, REPAIR MAINTENANCE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT TO ME IS A 62ND SITUATION. 
          SO I, I ACTUALLY DON'T, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THE 60 SECONDS THERE. 
          I THINK LEAVE THAT STRIKE THE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR'S PART WOULD BE, I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I WOULD VOTE FOR . 
          AND THEN ON THE FOURTH BULLET POINT, I THINK THE ONLY PART, LIKE IT'S, I'M SO SORRY TO STAFF YOU. 
          I'M SURE YOU NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD BE SO TRIGGERED BY YARD DEBRIS  THE FUN OF WORKING IN A CITY SERVICE. 
          I KNOW. 
          UM, THE ONLY, THAT'S REALLY THE PART THAT'S SORT OF TRIGGERING ME THERE. 
          BUT LIKE THERE, I WOULD SAY, AND I MIGHT EVEN SAY TWO MINUTES TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF LIKE AN EXCEPTIONAL SNOWSTORM 
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SITUATION, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          I DON'T THINK TP W'S GONNA BE OUT THERE CITING PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, JUST TO ME, LIKE, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THAT CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO PICK UP SNOWSTORM DEBRIS BECAUSE OF THIS. 
          BUT UM, I MEAN, WE CAN THINK THROUGH THAT. 
          I MEAN, THAT MAY END UP FALLING UNDER BULLET ONE AT THAT POINT, UNLESS YOU JUST SAY LIKE, LARGE DEBRIS. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO I, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF, BUT UM, PEOPLE DO HAVE A LOT OF TREES IN CERTAIN AREAS OF AUSTIN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, ALRIGHT, WHAT IF WE CHANGE LARGE DEBRIS TO WEATHER DEBRIS OR, UH, YARD DEBRIS TO WEATHER DEBRIS. 
          SO TREE FALLS 'CAUSE THE WIND, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          SNOW STORM HAPPENS, YOU'RE GOOD FLOODING IF YOU GOTTA GET IN THE WATER, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S A THING, BUT IF THAT HAPPENS, GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS? I WOULD AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'D BE MORE OF EMERGENCY AND, AND USUALLY IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS YOU WON'T NEED A PERMIT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I SUPPOSE IF A TREE FELL THAT MAY NOT BE NECESSARILY CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY OR IF YOU'RE, YOU GOTTA GO IN THERE TO GET LEAVES OUT. 
          I COULD SEE THAT, OH, STAFF I THINK HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. 
          SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO OFFER A, A POTENTIAL, UM, CLARIFICATION OF WHERE WE'RE FOCUSING. 
          WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE, THE SOLID WASTE RECYCLING YARD DEBRIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PART SAYS STOP TO COLLECT THOSE THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, UH, I THINK TALKING WITH JOSEPH, YOU KNOW, MOBILITY SERVICE OFFICER GETS OUT THERE, THEY'RE SEEING FOLKS, YOU KNOW, CUTTING THE GRASS FOR FIVE, 10 MINUTES, , THEY'RE NOT STOPPED TO COLLECT THE YARD DEBRIS. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE STOP TO DO THIS ACTION. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THIS CODE AROUND PARKING IS, YOU KNOW, STOP STANDING. 
          IT'S, IT'S ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THAT MOMENT AND NOT NECESSARILY, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THE JUDGMENT OF THE OFFICER BEING AT THE SCENE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S CALLED IN TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FIVE MINUTES AGO YOU WERE CALLED IN TO BE YOU, YOU WERE STOPPED TO DO THIS AND NOW YOU'RE CONTINUING TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE LAWN MOWING SERVICE THAT'S NOT STOPPING JUST TO COLLECT THESE THINGS, WHICH REALLY WAS THE INTENT OF THAT CODE SECTION. 
          SO I THINK COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER'S MOTION DOESN'T HAVE A SECOND. 
          SO I, YEAH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MYSELF TO AMEND IT. 
          SURE. 
          AND I WANNA SIMPLY ON THE FIRST BULLET POINT, STRIKE THE CLARIFY THAT THIS EXCEPTION DOESN'T APPLY TO GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS. 
          I FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE, LIKE IF SOMEONE IS DOING REPAIRS, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO CLOSE THE STREET WITH SOME CONES AND THAT OUR CONTRACTORS CAN ALSO BE TRAINED IN THIS. 
          LIKE, THAT DOESN'T SEEM THAT COMPLICATED TO ME THAT PEOPLE CAN LEARN HOW TO CLOSE THE LANE. 
          SO I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THAT ONE AND JUST STRIKING THE CLARIFY THAT THIS EXCEPTION DOESN'T APPLY TO CONTRACTORS. 
          UM, AND, UM, I, UM, AND THEN I'M ALSO COMFORTABLE JUST STRIKING THE, UM, ON THE FOURTH BULLET POINT, AMEND VEHICLE TO GOVERNMENT VEHICLE. 
          AND I THINK STAFF HAS CONVINCED ME OF  AND THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF OUR WORRIES ABOUT YARD DEBRIS . 
          AND I, UH, JUST LIKE WE CAN LEAVE THAT ONE AS IS I THINK, UM, AFTER THE DISCUSSION FOR ME. 
          SO THAT'S MY MOTION, UM, TO JUST STRIKE THOSE TWO SUB BULLET POINTS. 
          AGAIN, I'LL REPEAT THAT ON THE FIRST BULLET POINT. 
          STRIKE THE CLARIFY THAT THIS EXCEPTION IS NOT APPLY TO GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS. 
          AND THEN ON THE FOURTH BULLET POINT, THIS IS ALL IN THE FIRST, IN THE FIRST BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED TO STRIKE THE AMEND VEHICLE TO GOVERNMENT VEHICLE TO STRIKE THOSE. 
          THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          I SEE. 
          UM, I'LL MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION JUST FOR PURPOSES OF LIKE MAKING THE RESOLUTION MAKE SENSE, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE JUST HAVE THAT, UM, WITH NO BULLET UNDER IT, IT WON'T MAKE SENSE. 
          SO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD BE TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, BUT THEN THAT BULLET WOULD SAY NO CHANGE. 
          ACTUALLY, NO, I DISAGREE WITH MYSELF. 
          NEVERMIND. 
          I WITHDRAW. 
          SUBSTITUTE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO AMEND IT. 
          SO STRIKING THOSE TWO BULLET POINTS, SHOULD WE TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UNANIMOUS OF THOSE PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU FOLKS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THAT AMENDMENT. 
          UM, YES, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD. 
          I JUST, HOW DO I IN, I WANNA INTRODUCE THAT WE'RE MISSING A WORD ON THAT FIRST BULLET. 
          OH, GREAT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED, UM, DON, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN EMO EMOTION, ANY OF THAT. 
          NO, WE CAN JUST CORRECT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHERE IT SAYS, FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDURES FOR CLOSING A BIKE AS OUTLINED. 
          YEP. 
          . 
          SO I'M MISSING BIKE LANE. 
          DON'T WANNA MISS THAT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT CATCH. 
          I SHOULD ALSO SAY I USE THE TERM BIKE LANE, BUT THE RESOLUTION USES BIKE WAYS. 
          I JUST USE BIKE LANE. 
          I THINK IT'S A LITTLE CLEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN ON THE SECOND PAGE, ANOTHER ONE, THE LAST BE IT FURTHER RESOLVE FIRST BULLET, UM, WHEN TWO OR MORE GENERAL TRAVEL AND YOU HAVE LANDS ARE PRESENT . 
          SO TRAVEL LANES ARE PRESENT. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE THAT BEFORE I FORGET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I, I WANNA SAY THAT I APPRECIATE, 
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UM, THIS FIRST BULLET HERE. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT, UM, WHEN THERE ARE TWO OR MORE LANES THAT YOU CAN TAKE ONE OF THOSE INSTEAD OF THE USUALLY SINGULAR BIKE LANE ON. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I APPRECIATE THE INCLUSION OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK JUST TO EXPLAIN, I I MY ASSUMPTION, AND I I THINK THIS ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT, HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS MUCH SAFER FOR A CAR TO GO AROUND A STOPPED CAR AT ANOTHER LANE THAN IT IS FOR A BIKE TO TRY TO GET OUT INTO FAST MOVING TRAFFIC. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A, A CAR HAVING TO GO AROUND INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND AROUND, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE GET INTO. 
          IT'S A WASHER. 
          IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DANGEROUS FOR THE MOTORIST. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE MAY BE OKAY WITH SOMETHING PER, UH, TEMPORARILY DISABLING THE BIKE LANE. 
          ARE THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THIS, UM, MOTION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION? ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE, UM, OVERALL RECOMMENDATION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PASSING THIS RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY, AYE, LOOKS LIKE THAT IS UNANIMOUS OF THOSE PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND THANK YOU STAFF, UM, FOR LISTENING TO ALL OUR QUERIES ABOUT YARD DEBRIS AND, AND MORE. 
          SO THANK YOU . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT WILL BRING US 
          [4. Establish a Working Group to provide a recommendation to the Bond Election Advisory Task Force]
NOW TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS TO, UM, ESTABLISH A WORKING GROUP TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE. 
          UM, AND, UM, I WILL CALL IN COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, UM, TO DISCUSS THIS ONE WITH US. 
          YES. 
          AND SO I, I LOOKED IN ROBERT'S RULES AS TO HOW WE SHOULD GO ABOUT THIS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE WAY WE SHOULD DO IT IS BY CREATING A MOTION TO CREATE THE WORKING GROUP, HAVE THAT SECOND AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS. 
          AND THEN, UH, I READ THE BYLAWS TO SAY THE CHAIR CAN APPOINT ANYONE. 
          UM, SO ONCE WE PASS THAT RECOMMENDATION, THE CHAIR CAN APPOINT THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ON IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I AM GOING TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION. 
          I WANNA USE THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT'S ON THE MINUTES. 
          UH, HERE WE GO. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ESTABLISH A WORKING GROUP TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE. 
          I WILL SECOND THAT. 
          AND SO NOW WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          SECOND, I, I CAN DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, I WON'T GO TUNE IT UP 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. 
          BUT AS YOU'LL RECALL, UH, WE STARTED A WORKING GROUP FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT, UH, PLAN THAT WAS GONNA BE CONSIDERED BY THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. 
          OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS, UH, VERY WELL RECEIVED BY BOTH THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE AND CITY COUNCIL, UH, WITHIN CITY COUNCIL DECIDED TO PIVOT TO A NEW, UH, METHOD FOR A 2026 OR 2025 BOND, UH, IN LIEU OF THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT PLAN. 
          I THINK WE DID, UH, REALLY GOOD WORK IN THAT WORKING GROUP, BUT WE DID IT ON A REALLY TIGHT TIMELINE. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO START THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT EARLY. 
          UM, THE ASSISTANCE BOND ADVISORY TASK FORCE IS GONNA GO THROUGH SOME CHANGES AS COUNCIL MEMBERS KIND OF SHIFT. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MONTHS FOR US TO GET REALLY GOOD NUMBERS FROM STAFF TO TALK TO, UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, ADVOCACY GROUPS AND, AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN MOBILITY INVESTMENTS, UH, AND ALSO TO SEE HOW SOME THINGS LIKE THE CORE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND, AND CONGRESS AVENUE DESIGN INITIATIVE, UH, SHAKE OUT AND WHAT THAT FUNDING STRUCTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO CREATE THIS WORKING GROUP NOW. 
          MAY NOT COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION UNTIL FEBRUARY, MARCH OR EVEN LATER. 
          I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME AS WELL. 
          SO, SO THE BIGGEST GUARDRAIL AROUND A WORKING GROUP. 
          SO A WORKING GROUP, UM, CAN MEET ON THEIR OWN. 
          THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO TOMA. 
          UM, THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SUB QUORUM. 
          SO IT CAN'T, UM, HAS TO BE FEWER, AT LEAST ONE FEWER THAN OUR QUORUM THAT WOULD PARTICIPATE IN A WORKING GROUP. 
          SO THERE IS A LIMITATION TO HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE. 
          UM, AND I IMAGINE THAT THIS WOULD BE A PRETTY, UM, PRETTY POTENTIALLY PRETTY TECHNICAL OR A PRETTY, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM COMMITMENT, BUT POTENTIALLY DECENT AMOUNT OF WORK TO GET THE, I MEAN, MAYBE NOT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO GET THIS DONE. 
          SO THAT'S SORT OF THE WORKING, THE COMMITMENT IS TO START WORKING THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SO, SO PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS, A SUB QUORUM, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT WITH A WORKING GROUP THAT THE, THE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA VIOLATE TOMA, THAT IF YOU'RE IN THE WORKING GROUP, YOU DON'T REALLY WANNA START SHARING THE WORK YOU'RE DOING IN THE WORKING GROUP WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T IN THE WORKING GROUP THAT'S ALL ON THIS BODY BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A TOOMA VIOLATION. 
          SO IT'S REALLY CAREFUL, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DOING A WORKING GROUP, YOU KEEP THAT WITHIN THE WORKING GROUP UNTIL YOU COME FORWARD WITH YOUR, YOU KNOW, DRAFT RECOMMENDATION OR PRODUCT TO THE COMMISSION. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND WITH TOMA AND A WORKING GROUP, JUST BEST PRACTICES. 
          SO, UM, I AM HAPPY TO HELP APPOINT THE 
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PEOPLE TO, UH, TO THE WORKING GROUP, UH, AS CHAIR, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD WANT THAT TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS WORK AND READY TO DO THE WORK. 
          SO, UM, AND AND DO YOU THINK, WHEN YOU THINK THE TIMELINE FOR THE WORK, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FEBRUARY MARCH, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? YOU SAID? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE TASK FORCE ITSELF. 
          UM, IF THEY START TO MOVE FASTER, WE MAY NEED TO MOVE FASTER. 
          I SURELY DON'T IMAGINE US COMING IN JANUARY. 
          SO YEAH, I THINK FEBRUARY, MARCH WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EARLIEST. 
          UH, I KNOW COMMISSIONER KAMAN IS ALSO VERY INVOLVED, SO YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME YEAH. 
          AND UM, THEY'RE TASKED WITH COMING TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, BY JULY 1ST, WHICH MEANS THEIR JUNE MEETING IS GOING TO BE THE LAST MEETING WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING DECISIONS ON THAT. 
          AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT, I WOULD SAY APRIL, APRIL WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO GET THESE IN BY TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS YEAH. 
          OF THE, UH, TASK FORCE LEFT NO, EARLIER THAN FEBRUARY, NO LATER THAN APRIL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS ALSO MAY BE SOMETHING, THIS IS SOMETIMES THAT COMMISSIONERS DON'T KNOW THIS. 
          I KNOW WE JUST RECENTLY HAD AN ELECTION AND WE ALSO MAY HAVE SOME RUNOFF ELECTIONS WHICH ARE OCCURRING WITHIN, UM, OUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS, UM, THAT SOME FOLKS ARE GONNA PARTICIPATE IN. 
          AND SO LIKE LET'S SAY THAT YOU ANTICIPATE THAT POSSIBLY YOU COULD BE ROLLING OFF YOUR ROLE EITHER BECAUSE YOU'RE AT THE END OF YOUR TERM AND YOU DON'T WISH TO CONTINUE, OR, UM, AND ALL OF OUR TERMS, MANY OF OUR TERMS END ON LIKE FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025. 
          RIGHT? SO, UM, UH, SO LET'S SAY THAT YOU THINK YOU MAY NOT BE REIN, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, COMMISSIONER BROOKS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, COMMISSIONER ORTIZ, COMMISSIONER SMITH, MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER, UH, BROWN, ALL HAVE TERMS THAT END ON IN FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025. 
          UM, LET'S SAY THAT, UM, UH, YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WON'T RENEW, UM, OR THAT YOU WON'T BE RENEWED BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER IN YOUR DISTRICT. 
          UM, YOU WILL SERVE THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY WE WOULD CERTAINLY, SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK, OH, MY COUNCIL MEMBER LOST ELECTION, I CAN'T COME ANYMORE. 
          WE WOULD CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY HOPE THAT YOU WOULD PARTICIPATE THROUGH THE END OF YOUR TERM ON FEBRUARY 20, UH, FEBRUARY 28TH, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO OUR WORK AND HAVE QUORUM. 
          BUT ALSO THERE IS A, UM, I BELIEVE AN IN STATE LAW, A 90 DAY GRACE PERIOD. 
          AND SO THAT IF YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER IN THE DISTRICT HAS NOT, UM, APPOINTED A NEW MEMBER, OR THAT PERSON HAS NOT COMPLETED THE REQUIRED TOMA TRAINING TO TAKE OVER THE ROLE, THAT YOU'RE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL GRACE PERIOD THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE PAST THAT DATE. 
          AND SO A LOT OF TIMES WE ESSENTIALLY NEED PEOPLE TO GIVE US THAT GRACE PERIOD IN MARCH AND APRIL TO BE ABLE TO, CAN STILL CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS AND DO OUR WORK. 
          SO, UM, I'M JUST MESSAGING THAT HERE. 
          BUT I THINK IT ALSO RELATES TO THE WORK OF THIS POTENTIAL WORKING GROUP. 
          UM, LIKE IF YOU THOUGHT, OH NO, I CAN'T DO THIS 'CAUSE I'M COMING UP ON THE END OF MY TERM. 
          POTENTIALLY YOU COULD IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE STILL INTERESTED IN THIS WORK. 
          SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. 
          SO, UM, UH, ARE ANY FOLKS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN JOINING THIS WORKING GROUP? UH, COMMISSIONER KAMAN. 
          COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, YOU, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE SPACE. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS, IS UNLESS WE GET TO A, UNLESS WE HAVE PEOPLE, EVERYBODY RAISING THEIR HAND AND WE'RE GONNA MEET A QUORUM, LIKE WE HAVE SPACE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO EVEN IF YOU JOIN AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, WHO BUDDY? LIKE I DON'T HAVE A LOW BANDWIDTH RIGHT NOW. 
          LIKE, THAT COULD BE OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT BUMPING OFF SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, FROM THE SUB QUORUM, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK I'D, I'D BE INTERESTED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? I WILL, I WILL ALSO PUT MYSELF FORWARD. 
          SEE, I MEAN, I WOULD STEP BACK IF THERE WERE OTHERS WANTING TO DO IT, BUT SEEING NONE. 
          ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, SO JUST TO REPEAT, THAT WOULD BE COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, COMMISSIONER KAMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ, MYSELF, UH, CHAIR SUMMERS, THAT WOULD BE, UM, ON THIS WORKING GROUP, I WOULD NOTE WE, WE DO WANNA PASS THE, UM, UH, MOTION FIRST AND THEN, YEP. 
          OKAY, LET'S DO THE MOTION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF CREATING THIS WORKING GROUP. 
          RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY, AYE. 
          AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS OF THOSE PRESENT. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND THEN I JUST APPOINT THOSE FOUR PEOPLE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, UH, ANYONE ELSE, IT IS SOMETHING TOO WHERE IF OUR DECEMBER MEETING AND YOU'RE HAVING SOME REGRETS, YOU HAVE EAT A LOT OF TURKEY AND THE NEXT DAY YOU'RE THINKING, MY GOSH, WHAT WAS I THINKING WHEN I DIDN'T JOIN , , THE WORKING GROUP, I'VE SEEN OUT ON ALL THE FUN . 
          WE, WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE, ONCE THE WORKING GROUP IS CREATED, WE CAN CONTINUE TO REAPPOINT PEOPLE. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE REGRETS, WE CAN, WE CAN FIX IT LATER. 
          SO WE DO THAT AND ONE OF THE OTHER BODIES I SERVE, SO, UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANKS FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT FINISHES ITEM FOUR. 
          UM, THIS DOES 
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BRING US TO OUR COMMITTEE UPDATES. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER 
          [5. Update from Commissioner Schumacher from the Downtown Commission regarding actions taken at the October 16, 2024 meeting ]
UPDATE FROM THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION REGARDING ACTIONS TAKEN AT THEIR OCTOBER 6TH, 2024 MEETING. 
          NO ACTIONS TAKEN. 
          WE DID GET THE FIRST PRESENTATION OF THE AUSTIN CORE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO FINALIZE THAT PLAN. 
          SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO US IN 2025. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU WANNA SNEAK PEEK THE, UH, DOWNTOWN COMMISSION, UH, GOT ONE AT OUR LAST MEETING. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, THAT BRINGS US TO UP UPDATE NUMBER SIX. 
          I THINK WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THIS 'CAUSE COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS NOT PRESENT, BUT IT WAS AN UPDATE FROM COMMISSIONER WHEELER FROM THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION REGARDING THEIR OCTOBER 20, 23RD, 2024 MEETING. 
          SHE'S NOT HERE, SO I, I JUST THINK WE CAN'T RECEIVE THAT UPDATE. 
          ITEM SEVEN 
          [7. Update from Commissioner Schumacher from the Bicycle Advisory Council regarding actions taken at the October 15, 2024 meeting]
WAS UPDATE FROM COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER FROM THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COUNCIL REGARDING ACTIONS TAKEN AT THEIR OCTOBER 15TH, 2024 MEETING. 
          BUSY MEETING, UH, WE HAD ELECTIONS, GOT SOME GREAT NEW MEMBERS. 
          I'M NO LONGER THE CHAIR, UH, WHICH IS FANTASTIC NEWS FOR ME. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO, UH, GOT A, UH, UH, OH NO, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET THAT. 
          UH, BUT WE DID PASS A RECOMMENDATION ON, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD BIKEWAYS. 
          UM, THAT I DON'T THINK IS, UH, UP UPLOADED YET, BUT WHEN IT IS, I'LL SEND IT OUT TO EVERYONE. 
          I THINK IT'S WORTH TAKING A LOOK. 
          GREAT, UM, UPDATE FROM 
          [8. Update from Commissioner Kavelman from the Pedestrian Advisory Council regarding actions taken at the October 7, 2024 meeting]
COMMISSIONER KAMAN FROM THE PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COUNCIL REGARDING ACTIONS TAKEN AT THE OCTOBER 7TH, 2024 MEETING. 
          OH, HOLD ON. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I JUST  I DIDN'T REALIZE OCTOBER WAS, I THINK IT WAS JUST ELECTIONS. 
          I THINK I ALREADY GAVE YOU, GAVE YOU GAVE THAT UPDATE. 
          I SEE. 
          SO WE'RE POSTED IT PROBABLY WRONGLY LIKE YOU HAD A NOVEMBER MEETING. 
          NO, BUT THAT WAS ALSO CANCELED. 
          YOU HAD IT CANCELED NOVEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE CAN'T UPDATE US ON, EVEN IF THERE WAS, WE CAN UPDATE ON THAT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT POSTED, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          AND JUST, UH, I DID, I AM NO LONGER ON IT, BUT I CAN, IF WE, I DID ROLL OFF, I COMPLETED MY TERM AND I'M NO LONGER ON THE PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COUNCIL, BUT UM, I'M OKAY BEING A PERSON TO STILL GIVE UPDATES, IF THAT IS ALL RIGHT WITH OUR LIAISON. 
          UNLESS ANYONE ELSE IS DYING TO BE THE PERSON TO UPDATE US ON PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COUNCIL, WE MAY WANNA CHECK WITH NATALIE ON THAT, UM, POTENTIALLY, UM, IF SHE HAS A CONCERN WITH THAT. 
          BUT YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT NECESSARILY. 
          UM, SO 
          [9. Update from Chair Somers from the City Council Mobility Committee regarding actions taken at the October 17, 2024 meeting ]
UPDATE FROM ME. 
          CHAIR SUMMERS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MOBILITY COMMITTEE REGARDING ACTIONS TAKEN AT THE OCTOBER 17TH, 2024 MEETING. 
          UM, SO I, UH, DID GO AND PRESENT, UM, SOME OF OUR RECENT UPDATES AND DISCUSSIONS THERE. 
          I'M ON, I'M HONESTLY, OCTOBER FOR ME WAS LIKE, I'M, I'M SURE SOME OF YOU EMAILED ME. 
          I LIKE, I'M LIVING IN BLUR LAND. 
          UM, SO I BASICALLY GAVE MY UPDATES AND LEFT. 
          I BELIEVE THEY SAW SOME OF THE PARKING PRESENTATION THAT WE SAW, I THINK WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID. 
          SO I'M SORRY, I'M NOT BETTER PREPARED ON THAT ONE. 
          UM, AND THEN ITEM 10 UPDATE 
          [10. Update from Chair Somers from the Community Advisory Committee for Austin Transit Partnership Board regarding actions taken at the October 10, 2024 meeting ]
FROM ME ON THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR AUSTIN TRANSIT PARTNERSHIP. 
          SO, UM, WE, UM, OUR UPDATES THERE WERE, WE UM, DID OUR WORKING GROUPS, ACTUALLY WE DID A WHOLE SLATE OF REWORKING OUR WORKING GROUPS. 
          UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, SOME, UH, HOUSING GRANT APPLICATIONS AND UH, ALSO SOME, UH, LIGHT RAIL ADVISORY GROUP UPDATES. 
          THEY'RE, UH, REFORMING WHAT USED TO BE THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES TO THE AUSTIN TRANSIT PARTNERSHIP. 
          THESE WERE GROUPS OF PEOPLE LIKE ENGINEERS AND CONSTRUCTION EXPERTS, UM, THAT PROVIDED TECHNICAL UPDATES TO THE LIGHT RAIL PROCESS. 
          AND THERE WERE D THREE DIFFERENT TAX TECHNICAL COMMITTEES. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO MERGE THOSE AND HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          AND WE HAD A REALLY, UM, REALLY DETAILED DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THE TECHNICAL ADVISOR GROUPS SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND THE TYPES OF EXPERIENCE REQUIRED FOR THAT KIND OF, UM, ADVISEMENT AND, AND THE LIKE, A LOT OF PROCESS THINGS AROUND, UH, SELECTING AND APPOINTING THOSE PEOPLE. 
          DO. 
          I, I ACTUALLY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD COMMISSIONER BOOKS THAT I FORGOT FROM THAT MEETING? OKAY, GREAT. 
          ANYWAY, THAT WAS OUR MEETING. 
          UM, THAT DOES TAKE US CLOSE TO THE END OF OUR AGENDA. 
          UH, WE ARE NOW ON FUTURE 
          [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO I DID, UH, HAVE A CHANCE TO CONNECT, UH, THROUGH NATALIE JUST BRIEFLY LAST WEEK OVER TEXT. 
          SO WE WERE ORIGINALLY GONNA HAVE THE CAT METRO RAPID LINE, THAT'S THE BUS RAPID LINES, UH, UPDATE THIS MONTH, BUT THEY'RE, UM, HAVE REQUESTED TO COME NEXT MONTH. 
          SO I'M, I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT UPDATE AT THE DECEMBER MEETING. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE AUSTIN CORE TRANSPORTATION BRIEFING THAT SORT OF CAME UP THROUGH THE, UM, COMMITTEE UPDATES SECTION, UH, SLATED FOR JANUARY. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER LIVING STREETS CHECK-IN IN MARCH. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANNA, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS, TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA, 
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MANUAL, CAMPO, ZILKER, TRANSPORTATIONS, I, WHENEVER THAT BUBBLES BACK. 
          AND THEN I REALLY WANNA, UM, JUST AS CHAIR ADDRESS AND I, I'VE HAD SOME RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT PROJECT CONNECT AND CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES. 
          I REALLY DO FEEL THAT PROJECT CONNECT IS VERY BROAD BASED, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALWAYS LIGHT RAIL LIKE, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE EVERY QUARTER WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF UPDATE LIKE HOPEFULLY LIGHT RAIL AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR. 
          BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF A GENERAL BROAD BASE, SOME KIND OF PROJECT CONNECT TOPIC EVERY QUARTER MINIMALLY. 
          AND IT HONESTLY, IT COULD BE MORE WITH PROJECT CONNECT, UM, CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES. 
          WE WERE SORT OF PROMISED QUARTERLY UPDATES AND I FEEL THAT THAT, I MEAN, I'LL JUST STATE IN THE RECORD, I DON'T THINK THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          AND SO, UM, I REALLY, UM, UH, I LIKE THAT NATALIE HAS SORT OF TRIED TO SEE LIKE THIS IS THIS CADENCE THAT SHE THINKS WOULD BE GOOD AND WE, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE HEARING FROM THEM IN DECEMBER, I JUST THINK IT'S UM, PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR THE STAFF TO COME OUT AND TALK TO US. 
          I FEEL THAT WE WERE PROMISED IT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE SOME THINGS SOMETIMES MAY NEED TO BE PUSHED OFF, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO, UM, I THINK AS UTC WE HAVE A, A ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC TO TO HEAR FROM CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES. 
          SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND I'M GONNA REALLY, UM, MAKE AN EXTRA EFFORT TO TRY TO HAVE THAT BE DECEMBER OR MARCH. 
          AND IF, IF IT'S NOT, THEN I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THAT IS. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, JUST SORT OF PINPOINTING, WE ALSO HAVE OUR BUDGET PROPOSALS. 
          I'M STILL GETTING MY HEAD AROUND THE FACT THAT IT'S IN MARCH NOW, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE'LL NEED TO QUEUE UP PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER OUR NEXT MEETING I WOULD THINK. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, WE'LL HAVE A BUNCH OF CHANGES PERCOLATING AFTER THE SPRING AND ELECTIONS AND AS THOSE TERMS START TO END IN APRIL, UH, AND MAY OF NEW COMMISSIONERS POTENTIALLY. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTED? SO I JUST WANTED TO TALK EVERYBODY THROUGH THAT A BIT. 
          I FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THE CAP METRO DECEMBER. 
          I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN. 
          UM, ANYWAY, I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT. 
          UM, ARE THERE OTHER, UH, POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS THAT, UM, NEED TO BE ADDED TO THIS? YEAH, COMMISSIONER? YES, I CAN KNEEL. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, COMMISSIONER KAMAN. 
          UM, JUST ABOUT THE CAT METRO RAPID LINE UPDATE, I'M VERY EXCITED 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, FOR THIS FOR A LONG TIME. 
          UM, BUT THE, I KNOW THAT TWO OF THOSE RAPID LINES, THE EXPEDIT LINE AND THE PLEASANT VALLEY LINE WERE ANNOUNCED ALONG WITH LIKE THE SPRING 2025 SERVICE UPDATES. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF LIKE MAYBE THEY CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF STAFF THAT CAN GIVE US A BROADER, OR DO WE WANT IT TO BE FOCUSED ON METRO RAPID? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          WELL, I CAN CHIME IN HERE. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE ON FOCUS. 
          WELL MIKE, I WE HAVEN'T HAD ONES FOCUSED ON METRO RAPIDS AND THERE'S PROBABLY ENOUGH CONTENT THEN THAT'S, BUT THEN RIGHT NOW IS NOW WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE ANNOUNCED THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY. 
          AND MAYBE WE WANNA HEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST GRABBING THE FIRST ONE WE CAN GRAB. 
          YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE REASON THAT THE RAPID LINE FOLKS WANTED, AND WE'VE HEARD A PRESENTATION FROM THEM THAT WAS REALLY GOOD AND VERY ENCOURAGING, ONE OF THE RECENT, UH, PROJECT CONNECT MEETINGS. 
          SO I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE READY TO GO. 
          IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE VERGE OF ROLLING OUT THE SERVICE AND IT'S VERY EXCITING AND I THINK THEY WANT IT TO, TO WAIT AND ALIGN A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE ROLLOUT. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY WANT IT TO DELAY. 
          I, UM, I THINK THE POINT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT CAN INCLUDE THE OTHER SERVICE CHANGES IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ASK. 
          I I'M, I'M MORE FIXATED ON GETTING A PRESENTATION  THAN A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE RAPID LINES FOR SURE. 
          I YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BROADER SERVICE CHANGES IS ALSO IMPORTANT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE ALSO QUEUING UP THE STUDY FOR THEIR LONGER RANGE PLANNING AS WELL, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE ALSO, THAT'S A CAP METRO THING, NOT PROJECT CONNECT, BUT SOMETHING WE ALSO PROBABLY WANNA HEAR ABOUT. 
          LET'S GET THEM IN THERE A BUNCH OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK MELISSA WANTS TO SHARE. 
          YES. 
          OH YEAH. 
          HI MELISSA. 
          HI. 
          CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? NO, CAN YOU TURN HER UP? HEY, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M NOT ON MUTE. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          WE GOT YOU NOW. 
          AWESOME. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANKS Y'ALL. 
          SO JUST TO SHARE YES, THE CAT METRO RAPID, UM, AND, AND TO SHARE CAT METRO RAPID IS PART OF PROJECT CONNECT. 
          SO AS WE'RE WANTING MORE UPDATES ON PROJECT CONNECT, THAT WILL BE PART OF WHAT YOU'LL HEAR WHEN, WHEN CAT METRO COMES OUT FOR THE RAPID, THE SERVICE CHANGE. 
          IT IS MORE OF, UM, YES IT 
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IS ABOUT THE CAT METRO RAPID PLEASANT VALLEY AND EXPO, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES, UM, OTHER SERVICE CHANGES ALONG WITH PICKUP, UM, IN DECKER, WHICH IS ALSO A PROJECT CONNECT DELIVERABLE ON THE CAT METRO SIDE. 
          SO IT, THAT CAN BE WHAT IS INCLUDED IN DECEMBER. 
          UM, DOES IT FOR ON, ON THE CAT METRO SIDE? IT'S SEEN AS JUST A SERVICE CHANGE FOR THE SPRING. 
          YEAH, I THINK, I THINK MAYBE WHAT MAKES SENSE, AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT GETTING THE RAPID LINE UPDATE AND THEN MAYBE GETTING, MAYBE GETTING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE 2025 SERVICE CHANGES, BUT ALSO Y'ALL'S NEXT LONG RANGE CYCLE PLANNING, WHICH IS INITIATED. 
          I THINK MAYBE THAT GETTING THOSE TOGETHER WOULD MAKE SENSE. 
          WHAT DOES THAT SEEM SENSIBLE TO YOU? SO THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS. TWO DIFFERENT, YEAH. 
          DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS. 
          AND RIGHT NOW FOR THE TRANSIT PLAN, 2035, UM, THE ROUND ONE OF ENGAGEMENT OF JUST GETTING FEEDBACK ON THAT HAS JUST CLOSED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, REALLY GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK AND I THINK ANOTHER TIME TO COME BACK FOR A PRESENTATION SO THAT THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION OF WHAT WAS HEARD AND HOW IT'S BEING PUT TOGETHER WITH, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED AS SCENARIOS WOULD BE FEBRUARY, MARCH. 
          UM, A GOOD TIMING FOR THAT IF Y'ALL WANNA THINK OF THAT THROUGH ON TIMELY. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE. 
          I THINK WE WOULD WANNA HEAR THAT. 
          DEFINITELY HEAR THAT. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WAS. 
          SO, UM, SO I THINK WE HAVE THERE THE RAPID LINEUP UPDATE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE OTHER SERVICE CHANGES. 
          THIS IS THE THO AND THOSE ARE THE MAJOR SERVICE CHANGES I THINK BY FAR IS THE RAPID. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S USUALLY IS, IT ISN'T A SPRING SET OF SERVICE CHANGES, IT'S JANUARY, MAY AND AUGUST. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS A SPECIAL THING TO HAVE A YEAH. 
          CALL OUT FOR SPRING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THIS, AND THEN MAYBE GETTING THE LONGER RANGE, I THINK THAT'S REALLY MAYBE WHERE THE JUICE IS TOO AS WELL. 
          LIKE THE 2035. 
          SO THANK YOU MELISSA. 
          YOU WERE VERY HELPFUL IN SORTING THAT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, UM, ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, AND I'M SURE LAURA WOULD NEVER HESITATE TO SPEND A NIGHT AT THE UTC, BUT, UM, I DON'T SEE THE CONGRESS AVENUE, UH, URBAN DESIGN INITIATIVE ON HERE. 
          UM, I'M SURE, I'M SURE WE'D WANT THAT. 
          I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT WE POST THAT FOR ACTION. 
          UM, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO BRING A RECOMMENDATION AROUND THAT. 
          I'M SURE THERE ARE PROBABLY A COUPLE OTHERS WHO ARE INTERESTED TOO. 
          WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIMELINE FOR THAT? I MEAN, YEAH, I, DECEMBER THE, THE BAC WAS SUPPOSED TO GET THE UPDATE LAST MONTH. 
          WE HAD TO, UH, POSTPONE IT TO THIS MONTH BECAUSE OF, UH, TIMING. 
          SO I THINK DECEMBER WOULD BE GOOD. 
          I, I MEAN THE OPEN HOUSES ONE HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. 
          ONE IS HAPPENING IN A WEEK OR TWO, I THINK. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND THE, UM, THE PUBLIC INPUT, THE VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSE CLOSES AT THE END OF THIS MONTH AROUND THE 20 SOMETHING. 
          SO, UM, AND, AND I'M, I'M, I'M SURE TPW WILL BE VERY NICE AND LET US, UH, SEND SOMETHING IN IN DECEMBER HOPEFULLY. 
          BUT, UH, UH, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM,  OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN I, I HAVE ALSO THE CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES. 
          WE'LL FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. 
          UM, WAS THERE ANY OTHER PROJECT CONNECT SPECIFIC TOPICS, UH, OR CAP METRO TOPICS BEYOND THE, UH, CAP METRO, THE RAPID UP, UH, RAPID LINE UPDATES AND, UH, YOU SAID THE, I WANNA PINPOINT THIS. 
          THE, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. 
          YEAH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FALL 2020 FOURTH FALL AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE A TP? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          THAT WOULD BE ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          YEAH. 
          WE KIND OF TALK ABOUT THEM ALL MUDDLED UP. 
          MELISSA CAN HELP US WHEN WE MUDDLE 'EM UP, BUT, UM, AND THIS THURSDAY THEY'RE DOING A, THE AGENDA ITEM FOR THE BOARD. 
          A-T-P-A-T-P BOARD IS A REVIEW OF WHERE THE WHOLE PROJECT STANDS. 
          SO THIS MAY BE AN EXCITING THURSDAY. 
          OH, THAT IS EXCITING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, SO A TP SORT OF A-A-S-A-P ON THE AUSTIN, UH, LIGHT RAIL IMPACT STATEMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AUSTIN LIGHT RAIL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. 
          UPDATE FROM A TP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          AS SOON AS THEY'RE READY. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE THAT ON THERE TOO. 
          I'M WRITING THESE DOWN. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UM, SHOULD BE COMING BEFORE THIS BODY SOON, FOLKS? SOON-ISH. 
          BUT I KNOW WE GOT AN UPDATE AT SOME POINT THIS YEAR. 
          I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE MAY, MAYBE OR APRIL ON THE, UM, METRO BIKE EXPANSION AND THE CHANGE OF CONTRACTOR. 
          SO LET'S LIKE THINK THAT LIKE MAYBE ONE YEAR FROM THAT TIME THAT IT HAPPENED IS WHEN WE CAN, I JUST AM THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT LIKE A ONE YEAR LATER FROM WHENEVER THAT WAS TO GET AN UPDATE ON, UM, 
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METRO BIKE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING, YOU KNOW, REALLY WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CAMPO HAS, ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GATHERING PUBLIC INPUT ON THEIR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS THE 10, THE PLAN THAT IT, THEY TARGET EVERY 10 YEARS OUT. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, 2050 PLAN. 
          UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A FINANCIALLY CONSTRAINED PLAN AND THEY'VE ALREADY RELEASED PRELIMINARY FIGURES ON THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS. 
          GUESS WHAT? THERE'S 32 BILLION FOR TRANSIT AS PART OF THE PLAN AND ONLY 17 BILLION FOR ROADS. 
          AT LEAST THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE TO BE EXPLANATION. 
          HAVE WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS AND NOT GETTING INTO OKAY. 
          POLICY DISCUSSIONS. 
          SO WHEN WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR THEM TO PRESENT TO US YOU THINK? ANY TIME? ANY RIGHT NOW WHILE THEY'RE STILL DOING PUBLIC INPUT? 'CAUSE THEY'LL WANNA HEAR FROM US. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT CLOSES? DO YOU KNOW? UH, IT CLOSES IN DECEMBER, UM, LIKE WRITING ALL THESE THINGS DOWN FOR DECEMBER, BUT IF IT HAPPENED IN JANUARY, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD STILL LISTEN. 
          SURE. 
          I'M SURE THEY WOULD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THEY'VE NEVER COME. 
          DO THEY HAVE ? THEY HAVE COME WHEN IN MY EX WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THEY CAME OUT TO THIS BODY, BUT WE HAVE HAD CAMPO STAFF HERE BEFORE AND TALKING ABOUT THEIR MODELING AND PLANNING. 
          YES. 
          SO THEY ARE ABLE TO COME TALK TO US. 
          YES. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE MAYBE, MAYBE Y'ALL HAD A OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AT THE START WHEN I WAS HERE. 
          DID WE ACKNOWLEDGE OUR NEW COMMISSIONER? OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          I WANTED TO DO THAT. 
          WELCOME. 
          UH, JUSTIN JACOBSON, YOU'RE FROM DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          DID YOU JUST WANNA BRIEFLY JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF A LITTLE BIT? UH, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, MY NAME'S JUSTIN JACOBSON. 
          I'M, UH, REPRESENTING DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          UM, I LIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR THOUGH, BUT I'M REPRESENTING DISTRICT EIGHT AND JUST EXCITED TO JUMP IN AND BECOME PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          WELL, WELCOME. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. 
          UM, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR AGENDA. 
          UM, SO UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OBJECTIONS, I WILL CLOSE THIS MEETING. 
          IT IS 7:08 PM.
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