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[CALL TO ORDER]
REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK.UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE, UH, AGENDA IS A, A ROLL CALL.
SO PLEASE, AND IF YOU'RE ONLINE, CAN YOU PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERA AND YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
FRANCIS JORDAN RE, KABA WHITE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN HEAR YOU.
ARE WE GETTING SOUND FROM THEIR FEET? BO? I HEARD YOU.
YEAH, I CAN, I CAN HEAR Y'ALL JUST FINE.
I WAS IN THE WAITING ROOM WHEN YOU CALLED MY NAME.
DID WE LOSE HIM? WE CAN HEAR THE AV ROOM, OR WE CAN HEAR THE BOARDS.
CAN WE HEAR EVERYONE IN THE ROOM NOW? YES.
UH, FRANCIS JORDAN, I, I'M HERE.
UM, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, THE DISTRICT SEVEN APPOINTEES HAVE BEEN NAMED, OR SORRY, DISTRICT SIX, TINA CANNON AND ALEXANDRIA ANDERSON.
AND I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST GIVE EACH OF THEM JUST A BRIEF MOMENT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES SINCE WE, UM, NEED TO GET TO KNOW YOU.
SO, ALEXANDRIA, WILL YOU START, PLEASE? UH, YEAH, SURE.
MY NAME IS ALEXANDRIA ANDERSON.
UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN AUSTIN IN EAST AUSTIN NOW FOR ALMOST, UM, 20 YEARS.
CAME DOWN HERE TO ATTEND THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.
UM, REALLY INVOLVED IN MY COMMUNITY.
HAVE A BACKGROUND DEALING WITH, UM, LIKE LAND USE CODE ZONING, UM, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO PERSONALLY MEETING EVERYONE AND LIKE BEING ABLE TO WORK ON THIS COMMITTEE AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO.
I'M HOME SICK SO THAT IT'LL GET YOU ALL SICK.
UH, TINA CANNON PRESIDENCY OF THE AUSTIN
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LGBT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.ALSO PART OF THE DECA, THE DIVERSITY AND ETHNIC CHAMBER ALLIANCE COALITION.
UH, I'VE BEEN A LONG TIME COMMUNITY ADVOCATE AND SPEAKER AND VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS.
WHILE THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A VOICE TODAY, BUT HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THIS GROUP AND HELP SHAPE THE, THE NEXT CHAPTER OF AUSTIN.
WELCOME AND THANK YOU, UH, BOTH FOR SERVING OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TODAY? NO.
UH, NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO THE MINUTES.
[1. Approval of the minutes from the November 18, 2024, regular meeting.]
EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE MINUTES THIS MORNING, AND, UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
UM, ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA, STAFF
[2. Staff briefing regarding Roberts Rules, quorum, and voting. Presented by the City Law Department.]
BRIEFING.SO, UM, APOLOGIES TO THOSE WHO KNOW ROBERT'S RULES BACK AND FORTH AND ALL THE QUORUM.
YOU CAN BLAME THIS ITEM ON ME.
UM, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING.
I FOLLOWED UP WITH AN EMAIL TO LAW DEPARTMENT JUST TO GET SOME CLARITY FOR MYSELF.
AND SO, UM, WE ARE HAVING A PRESENTATION.
I'VE HOPEFULLY BRIEF PRESENTATION ON SOME OF THOSE RULES THAT THEY APPLY TO US SO THAT EVERYONE CAN FEEL, UM, COMFORTABLE WITH THEM.
I WILL SAY THIS, THAT I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE A SUPER FORMAL GROUP.
I MEAN, WE WILL FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES IN TERMS OF APPROVING THE ACTIONS THAT WE TAKE, BUT I HOPE WE USE FIRST NAMES AND I HOPE WE ARE, UM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UM, I WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL, UM, THAT THOSE RULES DON'T IMPEDE THEY'RE FEELING AVAILABLE TO, TO SPEAK.
SO, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE ROBERTS RULES.
AND DAVE WILL CERTAINLY CORRECT US IF WE ARE REALLY OUT OF ORDER, BUT I WANTED TO SET THAT STAGE FOR YOU.
SO, UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR THAT BRIEFING.
I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES.
UH, I'VE BEEN GIVING INFORMATION FROM THE, UH, LEGAL STAFF.
UM, THEY WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY, BUT, UM, JUST REAL QUICK, WE HAD A COUPLE OF, UM, ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO RUN THROUGH, AND THEN I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO KIM TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, SOME BOND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE, UM, BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE, UM, IS HERE.
AND WE NEED TO ABIDE BY SECTION TWO DASH ONE DASH 24 AND TWO DASH ONE DASH 21 C.
UM, AND THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, OR TOMA, UM, THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT MAKE THE TASK FORCE SUBJECT TO ANY OTHER PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER TWO DASH ONE.
TWO DASH ONE IS THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROVISION.
SO WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, REGARDING THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND RECUSAL ARE IN EFFECT AND ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND REMOVAL ARE IN EFFECT.
AND THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ARE IN EFFECT.
BUT ANY, ANYTHING ELSE IS UP TO Y'ALL IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WANT TO DECIDE HOW TO DO THINGS.
UM, SO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, UM, DOES REQUIRE A QUORUM, OR IN THIS CASE, 12 PEOPLE NEED TO BE PRESENT IN ORDER TO HOLD A MEETING.
UM, BUT THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT TASK FORCE COMPLY WITH ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, OR AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ANY OTHER, UM, RULES UNDER SECTION TWO DASH ONE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT DOES NOT DEFINE VOTING REQUIREMENTS OTHER THAN TO PASS AN ITEM OR MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD.
UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A MAJORITY OF THE TASK FORCE AND WHETHER THAT MEANS THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS PRESENT OR THE MAJORITY OF THE WHOLE BODY, THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO, UM, IF YOU GUYS, THERE ARE KIND OF TWO OPTIONS UP THERE.
UM, SO LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, THE TOTAL TASK FORCE WOULD BE 12 YAY VOTES TO PASS ANY ITEM OR A MAJORITY OF THE TASK FORCE PRESENT, WHICH WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF SEVEN VOTES IF YOU ONLY HAD 12.
BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD GO UP BASED ON HOW MANY FOLKS ARE ACTUALLY ATTENDING THE MEETING.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, REALLY WE CAN, UM, PUT THIS ON AN AGENDA ITEM AND POST IT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, AND YOU GUYS CAN TAKE ACTION ON THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANNA DO IN TERMS OF THE VOTING REALLY.
UM, AND THEN AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, SORT OF GENERAL PROCEDURE, I THINK, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE LESS FORMAL THAN, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL ACTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD.
WHEN I EMAILED THAT QUESTION, THE ANSWER WAS DIFFERENT THAN YOU JUST GAVE.
SO CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? YES.
WELL, WE HAD TO GET SOME CLARITY FROM THE, FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT ON EXACTLY THE WAS WERE, AND THE QUESTION WAS HOW MANY OF THE 12 YES.
HAVE TO VOTE? AND THAT THE ORIGINAL ANSWER WAS ALL 12.
BUT YOU'RE NOW SAYING IT COULD BE SEVEN, CORRECT? I'M DOING THAT.
WELL, IT, IT'S, IT'S UP TO Y'ALL TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
IT COULD BE 12 IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOSE TO DO.
IT COULD BE JUST A MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE PRESENT AT A GIVEN MEETING.
SO, AND THAT'S IT, THAT'S THE UPDATE FROM LAW
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SEMI SEMI LAWYERS HERE.UM, I DO THINK IT WOULD'VE HELPED US MOVE ALONG, UH, IN A MORE EXPEDITED MANNER AT OUR LAST MEETING.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS GONNA BE FOR DECIDING WHAT'S EXACTLY ON OUR AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A MAJORITY OF WHO'S HERE SO AS NOT TO, UM, I HOPE EVERYBODY IS IN ATTENDANCE MOST OF THE TIME, BUT I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES COMMISSIONS, ESPECIALLY LARGE ONES, END UP WITH A LOT OF ABSENTEES, UH, ABSENCES.
SO JUST TO KIND OF MITIGATE THE HARM THAT THAT CAN CAUSE FOR A BODY MOVING FORWARD.
FORWARDED ANYTHING, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS ON THAT ITEM? OKAY.
[3. Staff briefing on past bond development processes and the proposed 2026 bond development process. Presented by Financial Services Department, Deputy CFO, Kim Olivares, Capital Delivery Services, Deputy Director, Eric Bailey, P.E., and Assistant Director, Marcus Hammer.]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, STAFF BRIEFING ON PAST BOND DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES AND PROPOSED 2026 BOND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS PRESENTED BY FINANCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT.I'M DEPUTY CFO FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS ASKED TO TALK ABOUT WAS PAST BOND DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES.
I HAVE HAD THE, THE FORTUNE, OR I GUESS THAT COULD BE DEBATED, UH, BEING INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OR IMPLEMENTATION OF BOND PROGRAMS FOR THE CITY.
GOING BACK TO THE 1998 PROGRAM.
I, SO I'M ONE OF THE OLD LADIES AROUND TOWN,
UM, SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, UH, THE, OUR MOST RECENT COMPREHENSIVE BOND PROGRAMS HAVE LOOKED LIKE, THIS TABLE HERE, UM, SHOWS YOU KIND OF WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE VARIOUS PROPOSITIONS WERE AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT.
UH, SO IN 2006, THEY, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF SIX COMMITTEES, UM, THAT HELPED, UH, BREAK OUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTEES, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BUT THERE WERE 21 TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
SO HAVING THAT COMMITTEE MAKEUP, UH, MADE THINGS A LOT EASIER TO KEEP THINGS MOVING.
ALSO, TO BE ABLE TO DIG INTO THE, INTO THE DETAILS AND THE WEEDS OF THE VARIOUS PROJECT PROPOSALS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING AS A TASK FORCE.
UH, SO THOSE SIX, AND THESE ARE VERY COMMON.
UM, MOST OF THESE, THESE PROPOSITIONS, TRANSPORTATION, DRAINAGE, OPEN SPACE PARKS, COMMUNITY CULTURAL FACILITIES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THE CITY, OR REALLY ANYONE IN THE STATE OF THE TEXAS HAD MOVED FORWARD WITH AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPOSITION.
UM, AND AT THE TIME IT WAS, IT WHAT LOOKS LIKE A SMALL NUMBER NOW IT WAS A WHOPPING $55 MILLION IN 2006, BUT THAT WAS A HUGE DEAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR THE STATE AS A WHOLE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE CENTRAL LIBRARY, WHICH YOU SEE THE BEAUTIFUL BUILDING DOWN THE WAY, UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE OH SIX BOND PROGRAM AS WELL.
AND PUBLIC SAFETY FOR A TOTAL OF, OF JUST OVER $567 MILLION, 2012.
UM, THIS WAS AN INTERESTING YEAR.
UM, THERE WERE, AGAIN, THE, THE TYPICAL ITEMS LIKE TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, OPEN SPACE, AND THE SORT.
WE HAD A HOUSING PROPOSITION ON THAT BALLOT, BUT IT DID NOT PASS.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, PROPOSED 78.3 MILLION, UM, AND THE VOTERS DID NOT PASS THAT PROPOSITION.
BUT IN 2013, WE CAME BACK TO THE VOTERS AGAIN WITH A SLIGHTLY LOWER NUMBER AT 65 MILLION.
THERE WERE JUST 15 MEMBERS ON THE TASK FORCE, AND AS A RESULT, JUST FOUR DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.
UM, AND THEN MOVING INTO 2018, AGAIN, THE TYPICAL, UH, TYPES OF, OF SCOPES AND, AND PROPOSITIONS, BUT A MUCH LARGER GRAND TOTAL FOR THE OVERALL BOND PROGRAM AT 925 MILLION.
UM, AGAIN, IT WAS A, A SMALLER NUMBER OF TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
AND THEN AS A RE AND RESULT, UH, FIVE COMMITTEES.
CAN I POINT IT OVER MAYBE? OKAY.
UM, SO THERE WERE A TOTAL OF SEVEN PROPOSITIONS ON THE BALLOT.
UM, AGAIN, IN THAT TOTAL AMOUNT WAS 925 MILLION.
THE, THE LARGEST AMOUNT WAS ALLOCATED TOWARDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT $250 MILLION.
UM, AND THEN, UH, FOLLOWED BY 184 FOR OUR FLOOD MITIGATION, 160 FOR MOBILITY.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE LIBRARY, MUSEUMS, CULTURAL, UM, FACILITIES AND SO ON.
UM, WHAT WE'VE ALSO SHOWN HERE IS KIND OF WHAT IS THE GENERAL SCOPE OF THOSE PROPOSITIONS, AND THEN WHAT WERE THE WORKING GROUPS? WHAT WERE THOSE COMMITTEES THAT WERE FOCUSED ON NAILING DOWN EACH OF THOSE, THOSE CATEGORIES OF, OF PROJECTS, UH, OR THE FOR THE AND PROGRAMS. UM,
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SO AS YOU MOVE INTO THE 2026 BOND, UM, DEVELOPMENT, WE ACTUALLY, AS STAFF, WE RECOMMEND FIVE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.THIS, BASED ON WHAT WE SAW WITH 2018 AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, THESE SEEM TO WORK REALLY WELL IN TERMS OF, OF COMMITTEES OR WORKING GROUPS.
SO FIRST AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN YOUR PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, UH, AND THEN FACILITIES AND ASSETS.
THE CITY OF AUSTIN OWNS, UM, MANY HUNDREDS OF, OF BUILDINGS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE, THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT IS, IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO KEEP THOSE BUILDINGS UP AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING CURRENT COMMUNITY NEEDS AND FUTURE NEEDS.
SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH, UH, DRAINAGE AND WATER QUALITY, AND THEN TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
NOW, AS I NOTED, WE'RE AS STAFF, WERE RECOMMENDING THESE PARTICULAR WORKING GROUPS FOR THE, THE TASK FORCE.
YOU ARE NOT EXPECTED TO DEVELOP THE PROPOSITIONS THEMSELVES.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR, WE HAVE BOND COUNSEL THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.
IT'S ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THEY GET PAID TO DO.
UM, SO THEY WOULD WORK THROUGH ALL OF THE DETAILS OF DETERMINING WHICH, UM, PROJECTS OR PROGRAMS NEED TO BE COMBINED INTO THE VARIOUS PROPOSITIONS, UM, AND TO, TO PASS MUSTER WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THEN ULTIMATELY GO TO THE VOTERS.
SO ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WAS, UH, ASKED, UH, OF ME IS TO TALK ABOUT KIND OF JUST THE IMPACT OF THESE BOND PROGRAMS. UM, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN ADVANCE OF TODAY'S MEETING, A COPY OF A MEMO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL REGARDING CAP AND STITCH.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL TO BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN, IN THAT WORLD AS IT HAS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP ON YOUR WORK.
UM, SO IN THAT MEMO, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS ASKED OF US IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT ON THE TAXPAYER AS WELL AS OUR VARIOUS FINANCIAL METRICS.
SO UP HERE YOU SEE JUST THE THREE, THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT FINANCIAL METRICS FOR THIS CONVERSATION.
GENERAL OBLIGATION, DEBT PER CAPITA DEBT AND LIABILITY COSTS TO GOVERNMENT REVENUE, AND THEN NET PENSION LIABILITIES PER CAPITA.
NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR GEO DEBT AND OUR PENSIONS, THOSE ARE A PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE BECAUSE WHEN THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES ARE LOOKING AT OUR, UH, PROFILE, WHEN WE GO TO THE MARKET TO SELL DEBT, UM, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE, THE LARGEST LIABILITIES THAT A, A GOVERNMENT HAS ON THEIR BALANCE SHEET.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON ADDRESSING THE HEALTH OF OUR PENSION SYSTEMS IN PRIOR LEGISLATIVE SESSION SESSIONS.
IT DOES REQUIRE STATE LEGISLATIVE ACTION FOR US TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THOSE PENSION SYSTEMS. SO, UM, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THE FINAL SET OF, OF MAJOR, UM, ADJUSTMENTS TO IMPROVE HEALTH IN THIS UPCOMING SESSION.
UM, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING IMPROVEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR NET PET AND LIABILITIES.
UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR GEO DEBT PER CAPITA AND THEN THE DEBT, UM, AND LIABILITY TO GOVERNMENT REVENUE, WE'RE ALSO INCORPORATING IN WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO FUND FULLY FUND THE, UM, THE CAP ANDIT PROGRAM UNDER SCENARIO SIX.
UM, THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
UM, AND THE, THE GRAND TOTAL OF FUNDING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT SCENARIO SIX.
UM, BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF GRANTS, UM, AND, UH, A LOAN FROM THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK IS APPROXIMATELY $1 BILLION.
SO THROUGH THIS WORK, WE LOOKED AT, UM, NOT ONLY THAT POTENTIAL REQUIREMENT, BUT ALSO WE HAD TO PICK A NUMBER FOR WHAT A 2026 BOND PROGRAM COULD BE.
WE PICKED 600 THAT WAS NOT DRIVEN BY, THAT'S THE, THERE'S NOT LIKE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION SAYING 600 IS THE NUMBER.
THAT WAS JUST A NUMBER THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THINGS.
UH, ALSO LOOKING AT PRIOR BOND PROGRAMS. NOW WHEN, UH, WE LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF BONDS ON OUR TYPICAL TAXPAYER, UM, AND OUR TYPICAL TAXPAYER HAS A, UH, A $412,000 ASSESSED VALUE ON THEIR HOME.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THEIR CURRENT RESPONSIBILITIES, UM, FOR THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION OF THEIR TAX BILL FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THE OTHER TAXING ENTITIES.
BASICALLY WHAT WE REFER TO AS OVERLAPPING DEBT.
UH, SO CURRENTLY THE TYPICAL TAXPAYER IS PAY IS HAS A DEBT SERVICE PORTION OF THEIR TAX BILL.
SO IT'S 0.0 OUR, THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S TAX RATE.
THERE'S THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION, AND THEN THERE'S THE OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE PORTION.
SO JUST THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION ON THE TYPICAL TAXPAYER IS APPROXIMATELY $400 PER YEAR.
UM, AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT THE AUTHORIZED BUT UNISSUED DEBT
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RELATED TO PRIOR BOND PROGRAMS, VARIOUS OTHER GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT AUTHORIZATION FROM COUNSEL, UM, WHICH IS ABOUT $1.6 BILLION.UM, THAT WOULD ADD ANOTHER $225 OVER TIME TO THAT TYPICAL TAXPAYER'S BILL.
SO THEN AS WE LOOK AT OUR, THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF BOND, UH, OR BOND ELECTION AND OR CAP STITCH, WE'VE BROKEN OUT IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, UM, WHAT THE, THE ANNUAL IMPACT WOULD BE.
AND IT'S ABOUT $13 AND 78 CENTS PER YEAR.
NOW, ONE THING TO ALSO NOTE IS THAT THE, BECAUSE OF STATE LAW, WHEN WE GO TO THE VOTERS FOR A BOND ELECTION, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, COMMUNICATE TO THE TAX, THE VOTER, WHAT THE IMPACT TO THEM AS A TAXPAYER WOULD BE, AS IF WE ISSUED ALL DEBT AT ONE SINGLE TIME.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO ASSUME HERE AS WELL.
THE REALITY IS WE DO NOT ISSUE THE DEBT ALL AT ONE TIME.
WE HAVE A, A PROCESS CALLED REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS US TO ISSUE THE DEBT LATER.
UH, SO WE CAN APPROPRIATE IT ALL UP FRONT.
AND, BUT AS WE'RE SPENDING, WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE WHAT IS THE CASH OUT, AND EACH YEAR WE MAKE SURE TO SELL ENOUGH DEBT TO BRING IN TO REIMBURSE OURSELVES.
UM, SO THAT WAY IT SPREADS THE COST OUT.
WHY WOULD WE WANNA START PAYING A MORTGAGE ON A HOUSE WE DON'T EVEN OWN YET, IS THE METAPHOR I TYPICALLY USE.
SO, UM, THAT 1378 A YEAR, IT IS PER A HUNDRED MILLION.
SO IT HONESTLY IS REASONABLE TO THINK OF AT LEAST A HUNDRED MILLION PER YEAR IS BEING SOLD.
UM, BUT IF YOU'RE DOING LIKE A SIX YEAR, IF YOU'RE DOING LIKE A $600 MILLION PROGRAM, LIKE YOU'RE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING OUT, UM, IT'LL BE, IT'LL SPREAD OVER THE SIX YEARS.
ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAXPAYER IMPACT IS THE, LIKE I NOTED BEFORE, IS THE OVERLAPPING DEBT, THOSE OTHER ENTITY TAXPAYER OR, UH, TAXING JURISDICTIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, IN 2020 THERE WAS THE, UH, REFERENDUM APPROVED TO, FOR THE PROJECT CONNECT, UM, WHICH ADDED, UH, EIGHT PENNIES ONTO THE TAX BILL.
THERE'S ALSO VARIOUS AUSTIN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT BONDS THAT HAD BEEN PASSED OVER THE YEARS, AND ADDITIONAL ONES PROPOSED FOR THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN THE FAR NORTH OR SOUTH THE OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
I KNOW I LIVE IN THE HAYES PORTION OF AUSTIN, AND THERE'S A BILLION DOLLAR
UM, THERE'S ALSO TRAVIS COUNTY, THE CHILDCARE, UH, REFERENDUM THAT RECENTLY PASSED, AND ALSO THE, UM, TRE TO SUPPORT TEACHER RAISES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS ON THE TABLE THAT IMPACT THE TAXPAYER.
SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP INTO, INTO IN MIND AS YOU, AS YOU DEBATE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THESE PROPOSITIONS.
MADAM CHAIR, ARE YOU GONNA TAKE QUESTIONS DURING OR YOU WANT US TO WAIT TILL THE, I WAS GONNA JUST LET HER FINISH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN I'M ALMOST DONE.
GONNA HOLD TILL THE THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
UM, SO I MENTIONED THE 1.6 BILLION IN AUTHORIZED, BUT AN ISSUED, THIS IS, YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE, BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN UPDATED VIEW OF UNSPENT VOTER APPROVED BONDS.
UM, AS OF THE, UM, THE FIRST OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT IS WITH OUR MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION RELATED PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS AND THEN FOLLOWED BY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, EACH OF THOSE, UH, CATEGORIES OF SPENDING IS EXPECTED TO BE SPENT OUT BY F BETWEEN MOST OF THEM BY FY 27, A COUPLE OF THEM GOING INTO FY 28 OR FY 29.
UM, BUT THERE IS A SLIGHT OVERLAP BETWEEN THE EXISTING BOND PROGRAMS AND THE PROPOSED 2026 BOND PROGRAM, WHICH IS TYPICAL.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, I WAS ASKED TO SPEAK TO WHAT ARE THE OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS TO SUPPORT THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALSO, UH, SUPPORTED BY BOND PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE A CAPITAL REHABILITATION FUND FINANCIAL POLICY, WHICH IS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ALLOCATING FUNDS TOWARDS OUR FACILITY RENOVATIONS AND NEEDS SO THAT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF KEEPING UP WITH THINGS LIKE HVAC AND ROOFS AND THE SORT AND NOT LETTING IT GET TO IN SUCH A STATE OF DISREPAIR THAT THEN A FULL SCALE RENOVATION THAT THEN FEEDS INTO A BOND PROGRAM IS NECESSARY.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO BE SMARTER ABOUT OUR FACILITY MAINTENANCE ON THAT FRONT.
THERE'S ALSO VARIOUS GRANT PROGRAMS. UM, THERE'S A HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUND FOR ELIGIBLE FACILITIES.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF FEES ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WHEN YOU SEE ALL THE CRANES DOWNTOWN, WHEN THEY, UH, COME TO THE CITY FOR ALL OF THEIR PERMITS AND AND WHATNOT.
THERE ARE MANY A VARIETY OF FEES THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, STREET IMPACT FEE, UM, RIGHT NOW IT RINGS IN FIVE TO
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7 MILLION ANNUALLY.THERE'S PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, UM, THAT WAS BROUGHT APPROXIMATELY 20 MILLION ANNUALLY, PRE 2024.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES, UH, AT THE STATE'S LEVEL ON HOW PLDS CAN BE, HOW AND WHEN THEY CAN BE COLLECTED.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH LESS GOING FORWARD AND THERE'S GONNA BE A DELETE DELAYED RECEIPT OF THOSE FUNDS, UM, BASED ON WHEN PROJECTS ARE FINISHED.
UM, FINALLY, GRANT PROGRAMS, UM, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY $50 MILLION IN CIP GRANT SPENDING PROJECTED JUST AN FY 25 ALONE.
NOW, IT, THOSE ARE FOR VERY SPECIFIC TYPES OF PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. IT'S NOT LIKE THOSE GRANT DOLLARS ARE JUST FLOWING FREELY ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.
UM, IN THIS CASE, AVIATION IS THE, THE BIGGEST RECIPIENT OF THOSE TYPES OF GRANTS.
THAT BEING SAID, OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE REGULARLY LOOKING FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WHOLE, UH, TEAM DEDICATED IN THE CITY AND OUR GOVERNMENT RELATIONS OFFICE TO REALLY DIG INTO GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, FINALLY THERE'S NON-VOTER APPROVED DEBT, UH, THAT HAS RECEIVED A LOT OF CONVERSATION, UM, OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT STATE SCRUTINY ON NO NON-VOTER APPROVED DEBT.
UM, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF, OF LAWS THAT GOVERN HOW IT CAN BE USED, UM, AND WHEN, UM, SO IT'S LIMITED TO CERTAIN PROJECT TYPES AND, UM, EACH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THAT LAW TENDS TO GET SQUEEZED A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER.
UM, THE, THE, THE LEGISLATION I'VE SEEN SUBMITTED SO FAR, UM, WOULD ALL BUT ERASE NON-VOTER APPROVED DEBT.
UM, SO IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN NECESSARILY RELY ON, UM, IN THE, THE LONG TERM.
UM, SO NOT TO BE THE DEBBIE DOWNER IN THE ROOM.
UM, I TEND TO HATE ON THAT ROLE UNFORTUNATELY.
UM,
MAYBE WE JUST MAKE OUR WAY AROUND, WE'LL TAKE TURNS ONE AROUND.
RACHEL, ANY QUESTIONS? I GUESS I'M, I GUESS I'M STILL CONFUSED THAT IF THE BONDS THAT ARE GONNA BE ARE, YOU KNOW, SPENT OUT FROM THE LAST ELECTION, WHY NO MATTER WHAT WE DO HERE, WE'LL BE ADDING TO THE TAX BILL? LIKE WON'T THOSE, WHEN AS THOSE ARE GO AWAY, WE WILL BE, HAVE SOME ROOM THAT WE'RE FILLING IN FROM NOT HAVING THOSE ANYMORE.
BACK MANY YEARS AGO THAT WAS THE CASE BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN SO MANY BOND OPTIONS AND IN PARTICULAR OFF CYCLE BOND PROGRAMS. UM, WE ARE NOW AT A POINT WHERE THERE'S, WE ARE ADDING MORE DEBT FASTER THAN WE ARE PAYING OFF DEBT.
UM, BECAUSE, UM, I JUST FOCUSED ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE BOND PROGRAMS THAT WERE IN SIX, 12, AND 18.
THERE WAS ALSO, UM, ANOTHER ONE IN 2016 FOR TRANSPORTATION AT 720 MILLION 2020, THERE WAS ANOTHER TRANSPORTATION FOR 460.
AND THEN IN 2022 THERE WAS HOUSING FOR 350 MILLION.
SO AS A RESULT OF JUST THE BOND PROGRAMS GROWING IN SIZE IN GENERAL FOR THE VOTER PROOF ONES, UH, COMPREHENSIVE ONES, BUT THEN ALSO THE OFF CYCLE BOND PROGRAMS, WE PUT OURSELVES IN A STATE WHERE WE'RE, THE AMOUNT THAT REMAINS TO BE ISSUED FAR EXCEEDS HOW MUCH IS BEING PAID OFF EACH YEAR.
SO THOSE, THE UM, PUBLIC, UH, PROJECT CONNECT AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT YOU WERE SHOWING IS NOT, SINCE THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE 2022 AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND OR THE OTHER MOBILITY BOND YOU JUST MENTIONED.
UH, WHICH, WHICH, SO YOU, THE SLIDE THAT WAS SHOWING THE SPEND DOWN THAT THERE'S STILL THAT PUBLIC, UM, PROJECT CONNECT MONEY AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONEY.
BUT YOU WERE SAYING THAT THAT'S, THAT IS, THAT'S INCLUDING ALL OF THE, ALL THE VOTER APPROVED BOND PROGRAMS. PROJECT CONNECT, UM, IS A SEPARATE TAX RATE INCREASE.
UM, SO WE DON'T ISSUE THE DEBT FOR PROJECT CONNECT.
UM, SO THIS IS ALL JUST THE VOTER APPROVED? YEAH, SORRY, THE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION.
SO FROM 20 20, 20 18, 20, UM, 16, 16 AND, AND BACKWARDS.
SO I, I GUESS I'M STILL CONFUSED WHY THE CUMULATIVE, IF THE CUMULATIVE BONDS FOR MOBILITY AND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE GOING TO BE FULLY SPENT OUT, WHAT ELSE IS KEEPING THE TA THE BOND RATE, WHAT'S, WHAT ELSE IS IN THE DEBT THAT NEEDS TO BE PAID OFF? SO, UH, WHEN I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION, SO WE DON'T SELL THE DEBT UNTIL WE'VE ACTUALLY SPENT THOSE DOLLARS.
SO THAT BASICALLY THAT, OKAY, I SEE THAT 689 MILLION ISH, UM, FOR MOBILE AND TRANSPORTATION, THAT'S FROM PRIOR VOTER APPROVED BOND ELECTIONS, BUT IT'S DOLLARS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SPENT YET.
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WE STILL HAVE $1.6 BILLION TO, TO SELL TO ISSUE.FROM THOSE PRIOR PROGRAMS. THANKS.
MY QUESTION WAS RELATED, SO I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO GET A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION.
SO I GUESS COULD YOU SHARE LIKE, IS THERE A CERTAIN TERM IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF YEARS THAT THESE BONDS PAY OFF? SO WE ISSUE THEM TO BE PAID OFF IN 20 YEARS.
UM, SO THAT $396 AND 29 CENTS THAT THE TAXPAYER IS CURRENTLY, THE TYPICAL TAXPAYER IS CURRENTLY PAYING, ARE YOU BASICALLY SAYING THAT ALL OF THAT IS MUCH NEWER THAN 20 YEARS OR IS ANY OF LIKE YEAH, I THINK LIKE RACHEL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AT WHAT POINT DOES SOME OF THAT ROLL OFF.
SO IT'S, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THREE, THAT 400, UM, THAT IS OLDER DEBT, BUT IT'S ALSO EVEN THE DEBT THAT WE SOLD THIS YEAR.
UM, AND SO THAT $225 IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT 1.6 BILLION ON THE, THE NEXT SLIDE TO BE PAID.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A SLIGHT DECLINE VERSUS THE CURRENT TAX BILL, BUT IT'S GOING TO JUST KEEP GOING UP, LIKE THE AMOUNT THAT WE STILL HAVE TO ISSUE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S MORE THAN IS DROPPING.
I MEAN THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.
UM, JUST THOSE SO WE CAN BE EDUCATED.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET THAT MORE DETAILED? LIKE WHAT ROLE, HOW MUCH ROLLS OFF IN EACH YEAR? OH, I CAN SEE ABOUT DOING THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST A QUESTION ON THAT SLIDE ABOUT THE UNSPENT AUTHORITY.
AS I RECALL FROM OUR LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A CATEGORY OF LIKE THE MONEY HAD BEEN SPENT, BUT THE BOND HAD, THE DEBT HAD NOT BEEN ISSUED AND THEN THERE WAS THE CATEGORY, THE MONEY HADN'T EVEN BEEN SPENT YET, LIKE THAT FIRST YOU SPENT THE MONEY, THEN YOU ISSUE THE DEBT.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO IS WHICH CATEGORY IS THIS? IS THE MONEY EVEN, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE THAT, SORRY.
UM, THAT IS THE, IT'S AUTHORIZED, BUT AS OF OCTOBER ONE, IT'S AUTHORIZED, IT'S APPROPRIATED, BUT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT, IT HAS NOT GONE OUT THE DOOR.
BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY PORTION OF THAT WHERE IN REALITY THE CITY HAS SPENT THE MONEY AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T ISSUED THE DEBT YET? UM, I MEAN IT BETWEEN OCTOBER ONE AND TODAY, SO JUST A FEW MONTHS TIME.
I MEAN, LIKE FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU ASK CITY STAFF IF THEY HAVE ANY BOND MONEY, YET THEY SAY LEFT, THEY SAY NO, LIKE ALL THE MONEY IS.
SO YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ENCUMBRANCES? YEAH.
SO IT'S BEEN, UM, UH, THERE'S LIKE A CONTRACT PENDING THAT, SO WE, IT, WE HAVE A PROJECT WHERE CONSTRUCTION IS $20 MILLION.
UH, WHEN THAT CONTRACT IS AWARDED, WE ENCUMBER THE FULL $20 MILLION, BUT THE DOLLARS ARE, HAVE, DON'T ALL GO ALL OUT THE DOOR ALL AT ONE TIME.
IT GOES OUT OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE AUTHOR, THE AUTHORIZED, UM, BUT UNSPENT IS, THAT INCLUDES ENCUMBRANCE.
SO IT INCLUDES JUST ALL DOLLARS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SPENT REGARDLESS IF IT'S BEEN ENCUMBERED AGAINST A CONTRACT OR NOT.
SO WHEN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT OR ANY OTHERS ARE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDS LEFT, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE, IT'S BEEN ALLOCATED OUT THE VARIOUS PROJECTS, BUT THE DOLLARS HAVE NOT GONE OUT THE DOOR NECESSARILY.
I'LL LOOK TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T GET IT IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION, BUT IF WE DIDN'T, CAN WE GET THOSE NUMBERS OF WHAT'S BEEN ENCUMBERED SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THINK, THINK ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT'S POSSIBLE GOING FORWARD.
UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A SLIGHT TOPIC CHANGE, BUT I DID JUST WANNA LODGE, UM, POSSIBLE ACTION AT THIS MEETING OR THE NEXT ONE ON THE WORKING GROUPS.
UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF ON THE SAME PRESENTATION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT I, UM, THESE NUMBERS ARE TRACKING, UM, THE 3 96 OR THE 400 A MONTH AT A COST FOR DEBT FOR CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED AND ISSUED DEBT IS THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S PORTION OF THE TAX BILL ONLY.
SO DOES NOT CAPTURE THE OVERLAPPING IMPACT FOR TAXPAYERS, FOR ALL THE DEBT ACROSS ALL TAXING JURISDICTIONS.
UM, IT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, WHAT VOTERS APPROVED THIS NOVEMBER, 2024.
'CAUSE I KNOW THE AVERAGE IMPACT IS AROUND ANYWHERE FROM 600 TO $2,000, THE IMPACT OF THOSE APPROVED REFERENDUMS. AND SO I PRESUME THAT THAT MIGHT IMPACT ON YOUR AVERAGE ASSESSED VALUE AT SOME POINT.
THE WILL GO UP, THE TYPICAL TAXPAYER ASSESSED VALUE IS JUST FOR AUSTIN, FOR OTHER TAXING JURISDICTIONS.
UM, PARTICULARLY SCHOOL DISTRICTS
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THAT EXPEND FAR BEYOND THE, UH, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN.SO THAT 400, THAT 412 DOES NOT INCLUDE IT'S CITY ONLY.
AND THEN, SO THE ADDITIONAL 2 25 FOR THE UNISSUED DEBT, THAT WOULD ADD ONTO THE 400 TO GET US WHOLE PRESUMABLY.
UM, SO WE'RE TALKING THAT AGAIN IS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANYWHERE FROM 600 TO 2,500.
I I KNOW TAX NOTICES ARE GOING OUT NOW, RIGHT? UNDER APPRAISAL AND BILLS ARE WILL GO OUT.
SO TAXPAYERS WILL SEE THE NEW IMPACT OF THE REFERENDUMS. BUT I JUST WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT I'M AWARE THAT THIS DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT NOVEMBER 20, 24 ACTIONS THAT MAY IMPACT THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER BILL AS WELL AS, UM, SO WE'RE ADDING 400 PLUS 2 25 PLUS ANY ADDITIONAL OVERLAPPING TAX IMPACT AS WELL AS FUTURE PLANNING BOND PLANNING.
BECAUSE EACH OF THOSE REFERENDUMS WERE FROM ANOTHER TAXING JURISDICTION.
SO THEY'RE, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT ACCOUNTING FOR THEM HERE AND EVERY YEAR.
SO EACH A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IS ABOUT 1378 ON AVERAGE.
WE KNOW THE AVERAGE BASE IS GONNA GO UP ONCE THE IMPACT OF NOVEMBER 24, BUT ON AVERAGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $14 A YEAR FOR EVERY A HUNDRED MILLION FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN PORTION FOR THE TAXPAYER ON AVERAGE.
UM, I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE.
UM, DO ANY OF THE NUMBERS HERE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION PROJECTED CHANGES IN TAX BASE OR TAX REVENUE ON THE REVENUE SIDE? SO WHEN, BECAUSE, SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S, IT'S HARD.
I WISH WE HAD THE CRYSTAL BALL TO
WE, WE USE TYPICAL, UM, GROWTH IN AV APPROXIMATELY AROUND 3% A YEAR.
HOWEVER, THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE IT'S, SO THAT'S JUST, UH, AS THE BEST WE CAN DO.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE PRESENT THE DOLLARS FIGURES AS IF WE HAD TO ISSUE EVERYTHING AT ONCE.
UM, ONE, BECAUSE THE PROJECTIONS ARE SO CHALLENGING, BUT ALSO TWO, BECAUSE OF WHAT STATE LAW REQUIRES IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATIONS TO THE VOTERS.
UM, WE, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, SO I'LL ALSO CLARIFY THE ASSESSED VALUE, WE'RE, WE'RE ASSUMING A 3% GROWTH OVERALL.
WE DON'T ATTEMPT TO DO A, WHAT IS THAT TYPICAL TAXPAYER.
SO WHAT THAT FOUR 12 WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY.
AND THAT 3% DOESN'T NECESSARILY CARRY THROUGH TO AT THAT GRANULAR LEVEL WHEN IT COMES TO OUR OVERALL ASSESSED VALUATION, WHICH INCLUDES BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TAXPAYERS.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
BUT IF YOU START TRYING TO GET DOWN TO A PER HOUSEHOLD PERSPECTIVE, BE THAT CRYSTAL BALL IS DOESN'T EXIST, REALLY.
YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO, TO KIND OF TRANSLATE THIS, A LOT OF TAX AND JURISDICTION, WHEN THEY ISSUE BONDS, THEY WILL LOOK AT A BONDING, UH, AN AMOUNT THAT WILL NOT LEAD TO, UM, CHANGES TO THE TAX BILL FOR, FOR TAXPAYERS.
THAT'S SORT OF THE GENERAL POLITICAL VIEW OF THAT.
SO, BUT I'M NOT SEEING THAT AS PART OF THESE YEAH.
SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS OFTENTIMES THE, THE TAXING JURISDICTION WILL SAY HOW MUCH, AND THIS IS HOW DEBT CAPACITY HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN DEFINED, IS HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL DEBT CAN YOU ISSUE WITH KEEPING THE TAX RATE THE SAME.
YOUR TAX BILL WOULD STILL LIKELY BE GOING UP AS PROPERTY VALUES AND AS SAYS VALUE GOES UP.
SO THAT, THAT IDEA OF DEBT CAPACITY IS, IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, OR THAT DEFINITION OF DEBT CAPACITY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR, UM, FINANCIAL LEADERSHIP FEELS IS REALLY, UM, ACCURATE OR, OR HONEST TO BE, TO BE FRANK.
BECAUSE THERE'S STILL AN IMPACT ON THE TAXPAYER REGARDLESS.
UM, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S FREE MONEY.
IT IS STILL DEBT THAT THE TAXPAYER IS GONNA HAVE TO PAY, PAY OFF OR CONTRIBUTE TO.
AND THEN, UM, ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE CAPTAIN STITCH, THE SCENARIO SIX, THE BILLION DOLLARS.
UH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THE THING, A BILLION DOLLARS, THE IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THE TERM OF THE PAYMENT THAT IS, SOURCE OF FUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YES.
SO WE IN, WHEN IN ALL OF OUR ANALYSIS, OUR ASSUMPTION WAS WE WOULD NOT START ISSUING, UM, THAT DEBT UNTIL FY 32.
UM, WHICH FEELS LIKE FOREVER AWAY, BUT IT'S JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
UM, SO EVEN, AND SO WITH THAT STARTING ISSUANCE IN FY 32, PART OF THAT DECISION WAS BASED ON WHEN PAYMENTS WOULD BE DUE TO
UM, SO THE ASSUMPTION THERE IS THAT IT IS ALL BACKED BY OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION, UM, UH, FULL FAITH AND CREDIT, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
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IT'S THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION OF THE TAX RATE THAT'S PAYING FOR THAT, THAT BEING SET.WE WILL, DEPENDING ON COUNCIL DECISION ABOUT, UM, WHICH SCENARIO THEY WANNA PURSUE, WE WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO PURSUE ANY GRANTS, UM, UH, VARIOUS OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS TO TRY AND SUPPORT, UH, THAT PROJECT.
SO IT'S NOT ENTIRELY RELIANT ON, ON DEBT TO BE ISSUED BY THE CITY.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE A $105 MILLION GRANT AND A $41 MILLION STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK LOAN EVER.
SO THERE ARE NO OTHER, UM, FUNDING SIZE, UH, FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE NAILED DOWN LIKE A DONE DEAL.
SO WE HAVE TO ASSUME THE KIND OF WORST CASE SCENARIO OF IT ALL BEING DEBT FUNDED.
DAVE, ANY QUESTIONS
UM, ONE, ONE POINT ABOUT THE CAP AND STITCH, THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS IS ALSO PARTICIPATING IN THAT, BUT YOU'RE NOT COUNTING THAT THAT'S A SEPARATE NO, THEY ARE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH TDOT AND, AND, UM, THOSE DOLLAR FIGURES, THAT'S NOT OURS.
WELL, IT STILL MIGHT BE VALUABLE TO LOOK YES AT THE TOTAL PICTURE ABSOLUTELY.
FOR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH IH 30 FIVE'S EXPANSION.
AND WHAT THE OTHER POINT TOO IS WILL THE CITY GET ANY, UH, NET REVENUE IF MORE, UH, WE CAN HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT ALONG IT BECAUSE OF THE CAP AND STITCH.
SO WE'VE ACT, WE'VE DONE, UM, SOME ANALYSIS AND, AND VALUE CAPTURE, UM, POTENTIAL ALONG A 35.
THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE, KIND OF THE BORDERING AREAS HAVE ALREADY REDEVELOPED.
THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE SPOTS ON THE NORTHERN ENDS, UH, THE HANCOCK AND CHERRYWOOD AREAS THAT HAVE, UM, SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH PARCELS TO CREATE A VALUE CAPTURE, UM, SITUATION.
UM, WE JUST SENT OUT COMMUNICATIONS TO COUNCIL LAST WEEK ON THAT FRONT.
UM, ALSO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VALUE CAPTURE, THE, BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THAT POTENTIAL REVENUE, THE BEST UTILIZATION OF THAT IS FOR THE SURFACE AMENITIES, NOT FOR THE BASE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT I AM, I DO FEEL HAPPY TO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WHAT WE CAN DO WE'RE NO STONE IS GOING UNTURNED.
ALRIGHT, SO A SECOND ISSUE IS THE, UH, CULTURAL ASSETS CATEGORY.
UM, IS THAT GONNA BE CONTAINED IN THE, UH, INVESTMENTS AND FACILITIES AND ASSETS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT JUST CITY OWNED IN THE 2018 BOND? YES.
WE HAD $12 MILLION FOR CULTURAL ASSETS.
SOME OF THAT WENT TO MUSIC VENUES, SOME OF IT WENT TO A TX THEATERS, SOME OF IT WENT TO AUSTIN BAT CAVE, SOME OF IT WENT TO THE MILLENNIUM CENTER.
HAS THE PERMIT AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER WHERE A TX, UH, WHERE, UM, AUSTIN BAT CAVE AND, UM, OH, RU MAX, RU MAX, ROOT MAX ARE THERE, BUT THE OTHER ONES ARE INDEPENDENT.
SO, SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CITY PROPERTY.
SO THAT PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES IS KIND OF A CATCHALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING HERE.
SO JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, I'M ON THE CULTURAL TRUST ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HELPED TO SPEND THAT MONEY, BUT WE ALSO GOT, UH, ABOUT 300 MILLION IN REQUESTS, UH, FROM, UH, DIFFERENT STUDIOS, ARTS GALLERIES, ET CETERA, MUSIC VENUES, UH, FOR NEEDS.
AND, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
AND RALLY AUSTIN, WHICH IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THAT IS ALSO, AND I SEE TINA'S EARS PERKING UP REAL QUICK.
UH, THEY, SINCE THEY ARE A COMPONENT UNIT OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION, WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGING WITH THEM ON, UM, REQUEST FOR, FOR THIS BOND PROGRAM AS WELL.
KIND OF FOLLOWING UP FIRST OF ALL ON THAT QUESTION, WHAT ABOUT THE CULTURE FACILITIES LIKE THE ASIAN AMERICAN CENTER THAT THE CITY DOES OWN? ARE THOSE INCLUDED IN THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORY? YES.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, YOU CAME UP WITH THE FIGURE OF 600 MILLION, UM, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE CAPITAL DEBT FINANCE SPENDING PER YEAR RIGHT NOW? UH, PER YEAR? I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING ON.
SO WE, WELL, SO OUR MOST RECENT, UH, GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT SALE WAS ABOUT $500 MILLION.
UM, THE UPCOMING, UM, SALES WE'RE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING JUST FROM TRANSPORTATION LOAN AT LEAST A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION NEXT YEAR.
UM, ANOTHER 140 FROM HOUSING, LET'S SEE, LEMME DO SOME QUICK MATH HERE TO THREE 40.
YEAH, EASILY ANOTHER $500 MILLION
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IN THE NEXT SALE.SO I WOULD COUNT ON ABOUT $500 MILLION PER YEAR.
SO HOW DOES THAT 600 MILLION TIE INTO THE, THE FINANCIAL POLICY ABOUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANOTHER BOND SALE UNTIL YOU'RE DOWN TO TWO YEARS OF SALES? WELL, IT'S THE, THE FINANCIAL POLICIES HAVE ANOTHER BOND ELECTION AS OPPOSED TO THE SALES ARE ANNUAL.
UM, BUT THAT WHEN WE STARTED SPEAKING TO COUNCIL, PARTICULARLY AU FINANCE COMMITTEE, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND, AND, AND SINCE, UH, THIS IS WHY WE WERE RECOMMENDING TO THEM A 2026 BOND PROGRAM IS THE BEST BET BASED ON WHAT WE WERE SEEING IN TERMS OF SPENDING PLANS, UM, AND OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES, THAT WAS THE, THE BEST, UM, DIRECTION JUST TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE AND ALSO JUST FOR CAPACITY TO DELIVER, UM, JUST THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW.
UH, UH, NOT JUST FROM OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION TYPE DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF CONVENTION CENTER AVIATION AND, AND OTHER ENTITIES.
UM, SO THAT, THAT AGAIN, IS WHY I, I MADE THE STATEMENT EARLIER.
THESE OFF CYCLE BOND PROGRAMS REALLY CREATE A CHALLENGE, UH, IN TERMS OF MANAGING A COMPLIANCE WITH THAT POLICY, BUT ALSO MANAGING, UM, OUR CAPABILITY TO, TO DELIVER THESE PROJECTS AND A AND A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MANY FOLKS AVAILABLE TO, TO WORK THESE PROJECTS, UM, BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY AND A VARIETY OF OTHER FACTORS.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST IN HAVING A 2024 BOND ELECTION.
THERE, THERE IS A PENT UP DEMAND FOR AN ELECTION AND NEW PROJECTS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH OUR, UM, SPENDING IN ORDER TO SPEND DOWN THE AUTHORIZED BUT ANIS ISSUE.
SO WHEN YOU PROJECT A $600 MILLION BOND ELECTION, HOW MANY YEARS DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THAT 600 MILLION WOULD BE SPENT OUT OVER ABOUT SIX YEARS BECAUSE OF THE REMAINING PROGRAMS AND THEN THAT FUTURE ONE THAT, THAT WERE ABLE TO, TO FIT THAT INTO THAT TIMEFRAME.
AND SO HOW DOES THAT TIE, IS THAT AN INCREASE IN OUR AVERAGE SPENDING OR THE SAME? UM, THERE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME, BUT ALSO SLIGHTLY INCREASE JUST BECAUSE THE GENERAL COST WILL INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S ON OUR, WHAT WE VIEW AS A REALITY BASED KIND OF, UH, LEVEL OF SPENDING EACH YEAR.
SO YOU'RE PROJECTING AT, WE CAN HAVE AN ELECTION FOR 600 MILLION AND GET THAT SPENT PLUS THE AUTHORIZED, BUT ANIS ISSUED IN SIX YEARS? YES, BECAUSE THE, NOW, I MEAN THAT 600 WAS JUST, IT WAS A NUMBER THAT WE PICKED CLARIFY.
IT WAS NOT, BUT IT IS A NUMBER RIGHT.
THAT IS NOW FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE.
AND THE CONCERN WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE, RIGHT, NOT THE FINANCIAL CAPACITY TO PAY IT OFF, BUT DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, TO GET THAT MONEY SPENT SO THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO DE DELAY ANOTHER BOND ELECTION? RIGHT.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF I, THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE AUTHORIZED VOTE UNUSED DOLLARS, UM, ARE PROJECTED TO BE SPENT, UM, IN BY FY 27.
SO FY 27 STARTS OCTOBER OF 26.
THE BOND ELECTION WOULD BE HELD IN NOVEMBER OF 26.
SO BY THE TIME WE WOULD START ISSUING DEBT FOR A 2026 ELECTION, FY 27 WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY WRAPPED UP.
SO IT PUTS US ON A, ON A, A GOOD, UM, UH, SCHEDULE, UM, RELATIVE TO DELIVERING AND THEN ADDING MORE.
AND YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE DECISION ON ELECTION AFFECTING THE DEBT PORTION, THE TAX RATE, UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE OPERATING PORTION OF THE TAX RATE MM-HMM
TAX RATE AND THE NORMALLY FINANCE PRESENTS A FINANCIAL FORECAST IN MAY, APRIL, MARCH, MARCH APRIL TIMEFRAME.
AND AT THAT TIME, WE WILL KNOW PRESUMABLY AT WHAT POINT THE, UH, CITY DEALS WITH THE ISSUE OF STAYING WITHIN THE CAP.
YEAH, WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE, I MEAN, ROUGH ESTIMATES AT THAT POINT OF WHAT FY 26, I'M ALWAYS OPERATING IN LIKE MULTIPLE FISCAL YEARS AT A TIME, SORRY,
UM, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, THAT ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT FY 26 COULD LOOK LIKE THAT ALSO WHENEVER WE BRING THE FINANCIAL FORECAST FORWARD,
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IT IS ALSO JUST BASED ON, UM, CONTINUED SPENDING AND ONLY CONTRACTUALLY REQUIRED, UM, ADDITIONAL, IT'S NOT INCLUDING ANYTHING ELSE NEW, UM, PER THAT, UH, COUNCIL COMMUNITY MIGHT LIKE ADDED.SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, JUST A BASE LEVEL.
UM, JULY IS, UH, JUNE JULY IS WHEN WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THE ACTUAL PROPOSED BUDGET, AND THEN THEY, UM, TAKE THEIR ACTION, UM, IN LATE JULY.
UM, WHICH AT THAT POINT WE WILL MOST DEFINITELY KNOW IF WE WILL BE STAYING WITHIN THAT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT CAP OR IF WE WILL NEED TO GO TO THE VOTERS FOR TAX REELECTION.
RIGHT NOW, THE CITY HAS BEEN, I THINK I'M CORRECT IN SAYING THE CITY HAS BEEN FUNDING, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES WITH NON-AUTHORIZED NON VOTER AUTHORIZED DEBT.
UH, THE MOST RECENT ACQUISITIONS, NO, I, I'M, I'M SPEAKING FIRE STATION.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS GONNA PROHIBIT THAT YOU KNOW, OF AT THIS POINT THAT IS GONNA LIMIT THAT ABILITY IN THE FUTURE? I THINK STATE LAW RIGHT NOW ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, BUT UM, LIKE I NOTED THE MOST, LIKE, AND THIS IS EARLY, EARLY DRAFTS OF, OF LEG PROPOSED LEGISLATION, STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT STEPS.
UM, BUT UM, IT WOULD EVEN TAKE AWAY THAT.
UH, REVISITING THE SLIDE THAT THE, THE BARS AND, AND THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ENCUMBRANCES AND THEN, UH, THIS AUTHORIZED BUT UNSPENT, ARE WE LOOKING AT IN THAT SLIDE, UH, THAT'S BEEN AUTHORIZED BUT THE DEBT HASN'T BEEN PUT OUT, UH, AND THAT CASH, THAT ONE YEAR CASH, YOU KNOW, FUND THAT WE, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE CASH FROM UPFRONT AND THEN USE THE DEBT TO REPAY IT.
ARE WE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED THAT CASH? LIKE THIS IS JUST AUTHORIZED BUT HASN'T EVEN BEEN, YOU KNOW, PROMISED TO ANY TYPE OF PROJECT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES.
IT INCLUDES ALL, ALL VOTER APPROVED DEBTS THAT HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED.
SO THERE'S NOT AN AN ENCUMBERED AMOUNT THAT'S LIKE PROMISED TO SOME PROJECT IN, IN IN THAT GRAPH? NO.
IF, YES, SO ENCUMBERED MEANS THAT IT'S BEEN CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT.
THEY HAVEN'T PAID IT OUT TO, SO IT INCLUDES, RIGHT.
SO, SO THAT AUTHORIZED, BUT UNISSUED SLIDE IS, IT COULD INCLUDE ENCUMBRANCES AS WELL AS JUST FULLY AVAILABLE.
CAN I JUST PUT A, A FINER POINT ON THAT? SO A LARGE FOR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION SECTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT THAT'S THE 2016, UM, CORRIDOR PROGRAM, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK WE WANNA BE REAL CAREFUL WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPENT VERSUS ENCUMBERED VERSUS JUST FLOATING OUT THERE.
'CAUSE THE MONEY THAT'S WITH THAT PROGRAM, THERE'S A PLAN FOR IT.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT, THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD.
SO THE FUNDS HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ENCUMBERED, BUT THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR USE ON A PROJECT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE BOND PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THE TOUGH CONVERSATION BETWEEN SOME DEPARTMENTS OR PROGRAMS SAYING, OH, WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA MONEY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS DATA THAT SAYS, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S STILL AVAILABLE.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, THE PROGRAM HAS A PLAN FOR THE MONEY AND SEES THEIR SPENDING AS THEY GO FORWARD.
THAT MONEY HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN ENCUMBERED AND OBVIOUSLY HASN'T BEEN SPENT YET, BUT THERE'S A PLAN TO SPEND ALL OF THIS.
AND LIKE KIM WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, END OF CALENDAR 26, UM, AND INTO CALENDAR 27, WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF THIS BEING ENCUMBERED AND SPENT.
SO THANK YOU THAT, THAT ACTUALLY REALLY HELPED CLARIFY THE, THE THING I WAS ASKING, UM, KIND OF HOW IT THAT MONEY FLOWS THROUGH THAT, THAT WORKFLOW.
IT MADE ME FORGET MY SECOND QUESTION.
I WAS LATE COMING HERE FROM WORK, SO, OKAY.
SO LET'S TRY TO GET SOME OF THE FOLKS ONLINE.
UH, I'M START WITH TINA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, TINA? NO, I DON'T.
AND FORGIVE ME, BUT I THINK THAT'S CARL.
OKAY, CHAIR, COULD I ASK AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION? OF COURSE.
AND I'M SORRY I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED THE CAP AND STITCH CONVERSATION AT COUNCIL REAL CLOSELY, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
HAVE THEY MADE A DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE OF THE OPTIONS OR IS THIS JUST INFORMATION FOR IF THEY MAKE A
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DECISION? SO THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO, UH, TO TAKE A VOTE IN DECEMBER.HOWEVER, TXDOT HAS, UH, UH, INFORMED US THAT WE CAN, BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER, UM, FACTORS THAT WE CAN PUSH THAT ULTIMATE DECISION DOWN, UH, OUT TO MARCH.
UH, THEY DID APPROVE THE ACCEPTANCE OF GRANT DOLLARS, UM, THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAP AT, UM, FROM CAESAR CHAVEZ TO FOURTH.
UH, SO FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO THAT FROM FINANCIAL, BUT THEY HAVE NOT SENT THAT COMMITMENT TO TECH STOP PER SE.
SO WE JUST HAD A DEADLINE FOR THE GRANT.
AND SO DOES THOSE GRANT DOLLARS, DO THEY FULLY COVER A PORTION OR DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE NOW AS A CITY ON THE HOOK FOR SOME DELTA FOR THAT PORTION? IT'S BETWEEN THE, UH, GRANT AND THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BY, UH, STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK LOAN THAT WE WERE APPROVED FOR.
UM, IT'S, THERE'S A SLIGHT GAP, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE FOR, UH, SURFACE ELEMENTS.
AND SO THERE'S A LONG TIME BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THOSE WOULD, UH, NEED TO GO INTO PLACE.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE TIME TO GET THE, THE REMAINDER, UM, FIGURED OUT, UM, AS WE LOOK AT WHETHER IT BE VALUE CAPTURE, DON, UH, DONATIONS, PARTNERSHIPS, OR THE SORT.
SO, AND THAT WAS FOR WHICH SECTION? UH, C CHAVEZ IV.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS JUST, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, RECOMMENDED GROUPS, UH, WORKING GROUPS, WHERE WOULD YOU SEE, UM, ELECTRIFICATION KIND OF NEEDS FALLING WITHIN THAT, UM, WITHIN THOSE, AND BY THAT I MEAN LIKE, UM, PLANNING AND DEPLOYMENT OF, YOU KNOW, THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND POTENTIALLY LIKE HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES AS WELL.
WHERE WOULD YOU, SO THOSE FALL ANYWHERE IN THERE? NO, SO VEHICLES, UH, WE DON'T FUND WITH VOTER APPROVED DEBT.
UM, THAT IS A WHOLE SEPARATE THING OF CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
IT'S A SHORTER TERM TYPE OF DEBT INSTRUMENT AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT, DOES THAT APPLY EVEN FOR VEHICLES THAT HAVE LIKE A LONGER LIFETIME THAN YOUR LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES? UM, SO THAT DEBT IS, HAS A, A LIFE OF FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.
UM, SO, WHICH I MEAN, SO IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE THAT LASTS 18 YEARS ON AVERAGE, COULD THAT QUALIFY THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THAT WOULD LAST THAT LONG OR I WOULD BE WILLING TO GUESS IS A SMALL PERCENTAGE RELATIVE TO OUR OVERALL FLEET.
UM, BUT BUT THEY'RE REALLY EXPENSIVE
ARR IS, IT'S FOUND, IT'S, IT'S FUNDED THROUGH THOSE, UM, THOSE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
SO THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NON VEHICLE PORT PORTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENTS OF IT.
SO, UM, I KNOW AUSTIN ENERGY IS ALREADY DIGGING INTO OPTIONS, UH, FOR US TO BE EXPANDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST LIKE CHARGING STATIONS AT, AT CITY FACILITIES AND THE SORT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT JUST KIND OF WEAVES IN, UM, TO THAT, UM, FACILITIES AND ASSETS CONVERSATION.
UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD LARGELY LIVE THERE.
THERE MIGHT BE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF IT, UM, WITH THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT 'CAUSE I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT GETS US THERE, BUT THANK YOU.
SORRY CHAIR, I REMEMBERED MY SECOND QUESTION.
CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN PAST PRACTICE IN THE TIMING OF, OF ISSUING THIS 20 YEAR DEBT? LIKE IS IT, IS IT TRIED TO SPACED OUT REGULARLY? HAS THERE BEEN, UH, ANY NEW CHANGES? UM, AND HAVE THERE BEEN THOUGHTS ON LIKE, AS THINGS ROLL OFF, MAYBE STARTING TO PHASE IN SLOWLY, BUT AS THINGS DROP OFF THEN RAMP IT UP AND THEN LIKE, IS IT ALWAYS JUST STRAIGHT LINEAR OR DO WE HAVE LIKE CURVES UP AND CURVES DOWN SO IT'S NOT LIKE JUST A STRAIGHT LINE? UM, SO THERE IS SOME EBB AND FLOW, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE SIGNIFICANT EBB AND FLOW BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE THAT IS GOING UP AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN, WHICH CREATES JUST A CHALLENGES FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE FOR THE TAXPAYER BECAUSE THAT JUST IT, THEY SEE THAT IN THE BILL, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF JUST MANAGING OVERALL CASH FLOW AND HOW WE STRUCTURE THE DEBT SALES, IT JUST, IT MAKES IT UNNECESSARILY CHALLENGING.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I, I MEAN BIG WITH OUR, UM, REIMBURSEMENT, UH, APPROACH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP IT FAIRLY CONSTANT HA WITH, LIKE I SAID, WITH SOME EBB AND FLOW.
BUT, UM, WE ARE GONNA SEE SOME JUMPS, UM, IN THESE NEXT TWO, THREE YEARS IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE OF SOME MAJOR FACILITY, UM, ACTIVITY.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL LAST WEEK APPROVED, UH, THE NORTHEAST
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SERVICE CENTER, WHICH IS A BRAND NEW, UM, UH, SERVICE CENTER SORELY NEEDED FOR AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY AND FLEET SERVICES.UH, AND, AND THAT'S A $250 MILLION PROJECT.
SO WE'RE GONNA SEE, UM, BUMPS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, UM, FOR THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR VOTER APPROVED BONDS, IT'S GENERALLY JUST, YES, IF THERE'S A WORD FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS HALF OF THE CITY STAFF PRESENTATION? NO.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST IN TERMS OF LIKE TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF TIME, IF YOU WOULD JUST FOCUS ON THE, YOUR PROPOSAL FOR THE 2026 PROCESS.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WANT TO JUST START BY SAYING, UM, WE TRIED TO SIMPLIFY A PRETTY COMPLICATED PROCESS HERE AND WE WANT TO GO INTO, INTO MORE DEPTH AND ON THE SLIDES COMING UP AND EXPLAIN THE PROCESS INVOLVED IN DEVELOPING A A BOND PROGRAM.
AND SO FIRST I'LL SAY PLEASE EXCUSE THE SIMPLICITY OF THE GRAPHICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND, UM, TRY AND STAY WITH ME AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS, PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS AND THINGS AS AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO, UM, FIRST I WANNA START OFF BY, UM, GOING OVER THE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS IN THE, IN THE FUTURE HERE.
SO THERE'S CERTAIN STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS REQUIRED FOR BOND ELECTION TO OCCUR.
YOU CAN SEE UP THERE IN BLUE CITY COUNCIL'S REQUIRED TO CALL FOR THE ELECTION 78 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION.
SO FOR A NOVEMBER ELECTION, THAT'S MID-AUGUST OF ANY YEAR.
AND BEFORE THE COUNCIL CALLS FOR THE ELECTION, OBVIOUSLY STAFF AND COUNCIL WANNA WORK TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS, WHO ULTIMATELY HAS TO APPROVE, UM, THE BOND LANGUAGE.
UM, ANY OF THAT LANGUAGE IN THE BOND WOULD NEED TO SHOW A CONNECTION TO A PUBLIC PUR PUBLIC PURPOSE, WHICH IS APPROVED BY THE AGS OFFICE.
AS KIM MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK WITH BOND COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE B TIFF ON THAT LANGUAGE.
ONE THING WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL OF IS THAT WE DON'T GET OUT AHEAD OF THE AGS OFFICE IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LANGUAGE SAYS.
THE HOUSING BOND STUFF THAT WE DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS KIND OF PUSHED THE ENVELOPE A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO WE WANNA BE REAL CAREFUL WHEN WE DO THAT.
UM, AND COGS COGNIZANT OF, UM, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.
SO HERE IN THE YELLOW BOX, WE'RE SHOWING HOW WE'VE DONE BOND DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST.
UM, WE DEVELOPED THE PROJECT PROPOSALS AND THE BOND LANGUAGE COORDINATED, COORDINATED THIS INFORMATION WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH COUNSEL, LEGAL, UM, THE BOND, UH, ELECTION TASK TASK FORCES.
AND THEN ONCE THE BOND WAS PASSED, WE DEVELOPED RFPS REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS TO GET CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS ON BOARD TO FULLY DEVELOP PROJECT SCOPE SCHEDULES AND BUDGETS.
AND REALLY WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THIS RESULTED IN A 12 TO 18 MONTH TIMEFRAME WHERE THERE WAS LIMITED SPENDING ON THE BOND AND MINIMAL CONSTRUCTION WORK TAKING PLACE.
YOU CAN SEE THIS, UM, REPRESENTED IN THE BROWN BOX HERE IN THE YELLOW, UM, PORTION.
SO AN EXAMPLE OF THIS, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WAS A 2016 BOND CORRIDOR PROGRAM WHERE THE PROJECTS WERE VERY CONCEPTUAL IN TERMS OF IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED ALONG THE NINE CORRIDORS.
THERE'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING DESIGN AND FEASIBILITY THAT NEEDED TO GO INTO THOSE PROJECTS TO BRING THEM TO LIFE.
AND SINCE THIS WORK DIDN'T TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE BOND ELECTION, IT RESULTED IN AN EXTENDED TIMEFRAME TO SPEND THE BOND FUNDS AND BUILD THE PROJECTS.
SO, AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE FOUND OUT THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS AS THOSE PLANS WERE DEVELOPED, IT BECAME REALLY CLEAR THAT THE FUNDING NEED ALONG THOSE IDENTIFIED CORRIDORS FAR EXCEEDED THE FUNDS THAT WERE AVAILABLE, WHICH RESULTED IN SCOPE REDUCTIONS TO THE PRELIMINARY PLANS.
AND ULTIMATELY WE COULDN'T DELIVER ON EVERYTHING THAT WE SORT OF PROMISED IN THE 2016 BOND.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING DIFFERENT THIS TIME? YOU CAN SEE IN THE LOWER BLUE BOX WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
UM, WE'RE MOVING THAT PROJECT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PIECE, THE BROWN BOX TO THE PHASE BEFORE THE BOND ELECTION TAKES PLACE.
AND SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND PROJECT NEEDS AS WELL AS THE SCOPE SCHEDULES AND BUDGETS TO, TO DELIVER THOSE PROJECTS WITHIN A SIX YEAR TIMEFRAME AND TO SET THE CITY UP FOR A MORE REGULAR, UM, BOND ELECTION CYCLE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, THESE BOND ELECTIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THAT BOND DEBT ROLLS OFF EVERY 20 YEARS, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, AND REFRESHES WITHOUT HAVING TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE BY QUITE SO MUCH.
SO, UM, WE'RE IMPROVING THE PROJECT DEFINITION SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THE BOND PROJECTS AND PROJECTS AND WHAT ISN'T.
THIS ALLOWS STAFF TO BRING FORWARD SCOPE PROJECTS WITH SCHEDULES AND BUDGETS THAT ARE THEN EVALUATED AND PRIORITIZED BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT.
THE INPUT OF THIS GROUP AS WELL AS COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE'RE PERFORMING THE PRELIMINARY WORK BEFOREHAND, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BOND ARE FEASIBLE AND ABLE TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE GREATEST SPEED STAFF HAS ALREADY BEGUN.
UH, THE PROCESS OF NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND EVALUATION, UM, UM, TO VET THE DEPARTMENTAL NEED AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECTS FIT WITHIN THE ESTABLISHED PUBLIC PURPOSE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN THE BOND LANGUAGE.
IT MAKES THE PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT BY BRINGING FULLY SCOPED PROJECTS TO THE BTF AND THE PUBLIC USING, UM,
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A SET OF PRINCIPLES TO VET AND RANK THOSE PROJECTS.SO THIS HERE IS A ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THE 24, 25, 26 CALENDAR YEARS.
UM, WHAT THIS DOES, UM, IT REALLY ZOOMS IN ON THAT SECTION DEALING WITH STAFF AND THE B TIFF AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, HERE, HOW WE GET READY FOR THAT BOND ELECTION.
SO THE TOP BLUE BOX HERE SHOWS COUNCIL AND BOARD ACTIONS NEEDED, UM, INCLUDING WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO DO.
ONE PART I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO IS THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE STATUS REPORTS TO 13 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
RELAY THAT INPUT RECEIVED FROM THOSE BODIES TO THE B TIFF AND TO COUNCIL.
UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT IS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PROCESS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ON AGENDAS AND COLLECT THAT INPUT.
UM, THE GREEN BOX, UM, IN THE MIDDLE THERE HIGHLIGHTS STAFF ACTIONS TO DATE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON FINALIZING THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FROM THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, WHICH WILL THEN START THE VETTING PROCESS TO EVALUATE THOSE PROJECTS FOR READINESS AND APPROPRIATENESS TO INCLUDE IN A COMPREHENSIVE BOND.
STAFF IS DEVELOPING PROJECT CHARTERS WHICH DEFINE SCOPE SCHEDULES AND BUDGETS, AS WELL AS COORDINATING OPPORTUNITIES BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS WATERSHED, UM, AND OTHER USERS AND TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, OTHER USERS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS, UM, OF A SUCCESSFUL BOND PROGRAM IS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST CHECKING THE BOX ON THIS EFFORT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO THE RIGHT PLACES, ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT FEEDBACK IS INCORPORATED INTO THE BOND PROGRAM PLANNING PROCESS.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING OUT THE DETAILS ON WHAT THAT COMMUNITY, UM, ENGAGEMENT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AND HOW BEST TO INCORPORATE, UH, THAT INPUT INTO THE PLANNED BOND PROJECTS.
THE BULK OF THIS EFFORT, UM, WILL TAKE PLACE DURING THE SPRING AND SUMMER OF 2025, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROCESS IS ROBUST AND IMPACTFUL.
SEE FROM THE YELLOW BOX DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IS THE B THE B TIFF ACTIONS.
THE ACTIONS OF THIS GROUP, UH, MEETING THROUGHOUT THE BOND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, CONDUCTING SMALLER WORK SESSION GROUP MEETINGS, FOCUSED ON THE INDIVIDUAL BOND BUCKETS FOR EACH PROPOSITION, AS WELL AS PARTICIPATING IN THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND, AND ENGAGEMENT AND REPORTING TO BONDS, COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL.
NOW THE RED LINE HERE THAT JUST CAME UP REPRESENTS A ROUGH, YOU KNOW, PENCILS DOWN DATE WHEN STAFF WORK ON THE PROJECTS NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED.
AND ALL THE RELEVANT INPUT AND PRELIMINARY WORK NEEDS TO BE FINISHED IN ORDER TO FINALIZE THE BOND PROJECT LIST AND PROPOSITIONS FOR EVALUATION BY THE COUNCIL SO THAT THEY CAN THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AUGUST CALL FOR ELECTIONS ROUGHLY JUNE OF 2026 FOR A NOVEMBER OF 2026, UH, BOND ELECTION.
SECOND RED LINE HERE SHOWS THAT SAME PENCILS DOWN DATE.
IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH A 2025 BOND ELECTION, AGAIN JUNE OF 2025, WHICH ALLOWS SOME TIME FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE GAP THAT'S BETWEEN THESE RED LINES SHOWS WHAT WE'D BE MISSING FROM THE PROCESS.
IF COUNCIL WERE TO DECIDE TO HOLD A 2025 BOND ELECTION, MUCH OF THE PROJECT VETTING, SCOPING AND DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE TRUNCATED AND ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INPUT AND INCORPORATION INTO THE BOND FUNDED PROJECTS WOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THE SCHEDULE.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT BASED ON THE RECENT MEMO FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE, UM, WHICH YOU HAVE A COPY IN THE AGENDA TODAY AROUND THE CAPS AND STITCHES, THERE IS A RELATIVELY FIXED AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE BOND INITIATIVE INITIATIVES.
THEY RAN A SCENARIO OF $600 BILLION.
COULD BE MORE THAN THAT, COULD BE LESS THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE BALLPARK.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM OUR NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, ABOUT $10 BILLION IN TOTAL NEEDS.
SO THAT AMOUNT FAR EXCEEDS ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE, UM, FROM THE FUNDING THAT'S GONNA BE PRESENT FOR ANY FUTURE BAR BOND ELECTION.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LIMITED, UM, SUBSET OF PROJECTS THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE NEED A RANKING AND PRIORITIZATION METHODOLOGY TO SAY HOW THE PROJECTS STACK UP AGAINST EACH OTHER.
IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A BOND ELECTION IN 2025, THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY PRIORITIZE ANY PROJECTS IDENTIFIED IN THAT HIGHER THAN ALL OTHER NEEDS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY STAFF.
AND WOULD AT THE END OF THE DAY REDUCE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR A COMPREHENSIVE BOND PROGRAM IN 2026.
AS AN EXAMPLE, IF 600 MILLION IS THE NUMBER, IF WE WENT FORWARD WITH A $50 MILLION BOND ELECTION IN 25, THAT'S 600 THEN GOES DOWN TO FIVE 50.
SO THERE'S NOT AN UNLIMITED SOURCE OF FUNDS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT ABOUT THIS AND TALKING, UH, THROUGH THAT.
SO APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME AND I HOPE THIS KIND OF GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF A VISUAL PICTURE, UM, TO WHAT I, WE'VE BEEN TALKING KIND OF AROUND ABOUT AND APPRECIATE.
THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL THAT GOES INTO ALL THIS.
IT'S, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, PAGES AND PAGES OF GANTT CHARTS FOR Y ALL TO, TO LOOK THROUGH.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
YEAH, SO I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING MY BEST TO FIGURE OUT ON THE BROWN ON THE BOTTOM, THE, OUR JOBS MM-HMM
AND SQUARING WHAT IT, WHAT OUR JOBS ARE BASED ON YOUR PROPOSED SCHEDULE YEP.
VERSUS WHAT I SORT OF UNDERSTAND FROM THE RESOLUTION MM-HMM
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THIS TASK FORCE IS TO IDENTIFY AND PRIORITIZE MM-HMMWE'RE CONSIDERING PROJECTS IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS PROJECTS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF STAFF'S AS ASSESSMENT AND, AND WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE.
AND THEN PROJECTS ALIGNED WITH THE ADOPTED PLANS AND REPORTS, UM, LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION.
SO, UH, FORGIVE ME, BUT IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE STAFF IS SORT OF DECIDING WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE.
WHEN I FEEL LIKE THIS TASK FORCE IS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
SO IF YOU'LL JUST HELP ME MAYBE FILL IN THE GAPS ON THE BOTTOM FOR SURE.
IN THE BROWN, WHERE, WHAT ARE WE DOING, LIKE WHERE ARE WE INVOLVED, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN DO WE GET TO PUT INPUT INTO WHATEVER RUBRIC IS BEING USED? YEAH.
AND WHEN DO WE GET TO HAVE PUT INPUT ON WHAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES ARE USED? MM-HMM
IF YOU CAN HELP FILL IN THOSE GAPS.
SO THE COMMUNITY, WE'LL START FROM THE BEGINNING.
WE'LL START WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THEN I'LL GET INTO THAT.
WAIT, IF YOU COULD JUST START AT THE, I'M SORRY, SUPER LINEAR.
IF YOU CAN JUST START AT THE BEGINNING.
SO RIGHT NOW, STAFF IS COMPILING THE, THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
THEY'RE USING THE EXISTING, UM, STRATEGIC PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO SAY, HEY, HERE IS OUR UNIVERSE OF NEEDS, RIGHT? AND WE WOULDN'T WANT TO JUST, WE NEED TO COME TO Y'ALL WITH SOMETHING.
WE DON'T WANNA COME TO Y'ALL WITH JUST LIKE A BLANK SLATE SAYING, WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO, STAFF WANTS TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THE WORK IN ADVANCE AND SAY, WELL, HERE IS THE, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN AND HERE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE PART OF THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN AND HERE'S THE ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS AND HERE'S WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE CAN SAY, BRING THOSE TO Y'ALL AS THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND SAY, THIS IS OUR UNIVERSE OF NEEDS.
WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT'S, THAT'S MISSING? YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT, UM, JUST COLLECTING A BUNCH OF DATA AND THEN SAYING, WELL, MAYBE THIS, MAYBE THAT.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE A BASELINE THERE OF WHAT THE STRATEGIC PLANS SAY IN TERMS OF, OF ALL THE WORK THAT THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN GOING INTO.
SO, SO WE WILL SEE THE FULL NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
NO, I'M, THE FULL NEEDS ASSESSMENT WILL COME TO US.
I, I, I SAY THAT THE, THAT'S A CHALLENGING QUESTION BECAUSE IF WE HAVE $10 BILLION IN NEEDS, IF Y'ALL WANNA SEE THE FULL NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
BUT YES, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO.
UM, IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE'RE WORKING ON THE, THE INITIAL PIECES OF THAT.
UM, NOW THAT'S ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR, UM, EARLY 2025, UM, EITHER JANUARY OR FEBRUARY TO HAVE OUR, UM, CORPORATE PIO OFFICE COME IN AND TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF THAT OUTREACH.
UM, ALSO TALKING ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL'S INVOLVEMENT WOULD BE IN THAT.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, COGNIZANT OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WALKING QUORUM TYPE OF THINGS.
WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE CALL FOR A PUBLIC MEETING AND 12 OF Y'ALL WANNA BE THERE, AND THEN WE HAVE TO POST IT.
AND THEN IF ONE, ONE PERSON CAN'T MAKE IT, WE THEN HAVE TO, CAN CANCEL THE MEETING AND, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO TALKING ABOUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE MEETINGS, WHO WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH, HOW WE COORDINATE WITH COUNCIL OFFICES, HOW WE COORDINATE WITH FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHEN THE BEST TIME IS TO GO OUT, WHEN THE MOST PEOPLE ARE AVAILABLE IN MULTIPLE WAYS OF, OF COLLECTING THAT INPUT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THE, THE COMMUNICATIONS PLAN.
WE'RE WORKING ON KIND OF A, A HIGH LEVEL FRAMEWORK FOR THAT THAT CAN THEN BE REFINED THROUGH, THROUGH THIS GROUP.
SO YOU WOULD GIVE US THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
THERE WOULD BE THEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLANNING? WELL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE OF THE COMMUNITY'S, UM, INPUT IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT.
SO WE DON'T WANNA JUST COME FORWARD WITH LIKE, HEY, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE BIG LIST OF THINGS AND THIS IS IT, RIGHT? LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OPEN AND AVAILABLE TO LISTENING TO WHAT THIS IS, AND WE CAN SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT OUR STRATEGIC PLANS SAY.
BUT AS THE COMMUNITY AND AS THIS BOARD, IF YOU SAY, WELL, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT SHOULD COME TO THE TOP OF THE LIST.
LET'S SEE HOW THAT PROJECT SCORES, UM, IN THE EVALUATION CRITERIA AGAINST THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE LIST.
AND HAVE A TRULY, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENT PROCESS ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD AND HOW THEY'RE PRIORITIZED TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT I GUESS WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL BE GIVEN THE STAFFS OR THE, THE, THE NON-PUBLIC LIST OF WHAT WE THINK SHOULD BE THE PRIORITIES.
AND THEN THEY GET TO, UH, BRING ONES THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST.
ARE THEY GONNA BE LIMITED TO LOOK AT THIS LIST? NOPE.
THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO SUBMIT PROJECTS.
UM, AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS AND OUTREACH AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE IS GONNA BE KIND OF A MINIMUM BAR THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE CROSSED, THOUGH.
THIS CAN'T JUST BE LIKE, WELL, I, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD A TRAM DOWN SOUTH CONGRESS AND I THINK IT'S GONNA COST A MILLION DOLLARS.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, THERE NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT THAT GOES INTO THAT AND SEEING IF A PROJECT IS FEASIBLE AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, SO THERE'S SORT OF A, A MINIMUM BAR THAT WE'RE
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GONNA ASK FOR FOLKS TO DEVELOP AS THEY SUBMIT PROJECTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE EVALUATED, UM, AGAINST THE, THE STAFF, UM, NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE STAFF RANKING OF THE PROJECTS AS WELL.AND JUST TO GO BACK TO THE RUBRIC MM-HMM
WHEN WOULD THAT BE? UM, THAT'LL BE AFTER THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
SO EARLY SPRING CHAIRMAN ADDRESS THAT.
UM, THI THIS WILL BE A REQUEST OF THIS TASK FORCE IS THAT WE ASK STAFF TO REALLY F FAST TRACK THAT AND BRING THAT FORWARD TO US MUCH, MUCH SOONER THAN THAT.
BECAUSE IN MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES IN THIS PROCESS, UH, THAT TAKING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, OR SCORING CRITERIA, BUT THEN IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THIS GROUP HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP OUR OWN CRITERIA.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES IN THAT.
BUT I, I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE INPUT INTO THAT PROCESS.
UM, AND SO I'LL JUST ASK THAT IF STAFF CAN START THAT PROCESS VERY, VERY EARLY, LIKE IN JANUARY, LET'S START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT RUBRIC WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE US A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO, TO SOLIDIFY THAT.
AND THAT WILL ALSO BE GOOD FEEDBACK TO THE STAFF ON, UM, THE REST OF THE PROCESS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH.
SO THE, UH, THE REQUEST WOULD BE THAT WE SEE THAT RUBRIC IN JAN AT THE JANUARY MEETING, THE PROPOSED RUBRIC.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S, UM, SO WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT PROJECTS BASED ON THOSE STRATEGIC PLANS AND THE CITY STRATEGIC PLAN AS A WHOLE.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAY GO INTO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE OF THIS, WHICH WE CAN DO ALSO, IS DO, DOES THE CITY STRATEGIC PLAN THAT'S PUBLISHED AS A PART OF THE BUDGET, IS THAT REALLY WHAT THE PUBLIC INPUT IS IN TERMS OF THE BOND PROGRAMS? SO THAT IS ONE PIECE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE EARLY, EARLY PUBLIC OUTREACH PIECE THAT WOULD SAY, WELL, OKAY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK IN TERMS OF THE PRIORITIES ON, IN TERMS OF EVALUATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I JUST HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UM, SO IN LOOKING AT THIS TIMELINE, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, IS IT IN, IS IT, IT LOOKS TO ME AS IF TO INCORPORATE A ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK PROCESS THAT IT'S IN FEASIBLE TO DELIVER A FINAL RECOMMENDATION BY MAY, UM, 2025 TIMELINE.
IS THAT, I MEAN, BUT IS THERE AN EXPECTATION? IS THERE A STRONG EXPECTATION THAT, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD SPRINT TOWARDS? BUT IT DOESN'T, IN MY MIND, IT DOESN'T COMPORT WITH HAVING A ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SORT OF NARROWING DOWN IN ON, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A CONFLICT THAT WILL PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO ACCELERATE THE PROCESS MM-HMM
AND SO CAN YOU JUST KIND OF OPINE IN ON THAT? I CAN'T OPINE INTO WHAT THE COUNCIL IS THINKING, SO I'LL START THERE.
BUT YOUR, YOUR POINT IS, IS WELL TAKEN.
AND I THINK WHAT'S REALLY SHOWN HERE IS THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE THE TYPE OF ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE AS A PART OF THIS PROGRAM, THAT TAKES TIME.
AND ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE DEVELOPING WHAT THE EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT TAKES TIME AND GETTING OUT THERE, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS MORE THAN JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY FOUR THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE RESOLUTION.
I THINK WE, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE MANY, MANY MORE THAN THAT, JUST SO THAT WAY WE MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY DO WE, UM, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE THAT PUBLIC INPUT, BUT WE ALSO ARE ABLE TO TAKE THAT AND INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PROJECTS IF THAT'S FEASIBLE.
OR HAVE AN EXPLANATION OF LIKE, WELL, THIS DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF X, Y, AND Z, OR WE CAN'T DO THIS PARTICULAR THING.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE, THE ONE THING WE WANT TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE WE'RE NOT DOING IS JUST GOING OUT AND CHECKING THE BOX AND SAYING, HEY, I HAD A MEETING AND I WENT AND WE HAD FOUR MEETINGS AND IT'S GOOD ENOUGH AND WE'RE JUST GONNA DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.
WE NEED TO SHOW THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT RESPONSIVENESS TO THOSE COMMENTS AND THOSE THAT INPUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHICH TAKES TIME.
AND TO FOLLOW UP TO GARY'S QUESTION, RIGHT, IS PART OF THE RUBRIC THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CRITERIA FOR YOUR DECISION MAKING AROUND HOW YOU PRIORITIZE PROJECTS AS A STAFF.
BUT I WOULD COMPEL US AS A STA A TASK FORCE TO ESTABLISH CRITERIA FOR OURSELVES TO KIND OF GOVERN AND GUIDE OUR WORK, BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE INTERESTS.
WHO ARE WE FOOLING? AND SO NOT EVERYBODY'S PROJECT SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE.
AND SO WE KIND OF REALLY HAVE TO DISCIPLINE OURSELVES TO REALLY HAVE SOME SOLID CRITERIA AS A COMM COMMIT TASK FORCE, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY PICK COMMUNITIES AGAINST EACH OTHER.
AND THAT WOULD BE MY, MY REQUEST ALONG WITH GARY.
IN TERMS OF RUBRIC, WHAT KIND OF RUBRIC WOULD YOU CONS, YOU KNOW, AS A SECOND PHASE CRITERIA THAT YOU MIGHT SUGGEST THAT WE CONSIDER AS A TASK FORCE? OBVIOUSLY WE CAN WORK ON IT ON OURSELVES, BUT CERTAINLY WANT US TO BE GROUNDED IN OUR WORK AS WELL.
AND I THINK TOO, PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE WORKING GROUP DISCUSSIONS WILL HELP WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD IN, IN LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS
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HERE IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO COMPARE A LIBRARY PROJECT TO A STORM DRAIN PROJECT, RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST LIKE, WELL, HOW DO YOU REALLY LINE THOSE THINGS UP? SO IT MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE TO BE LIKE, WELL, LET'S TAKE ALL THE STORM DRAIN PROJECTS, IF THAT'S ONE OF THE CATEGORIES, AND RANK ALL THOSE SEQUENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, SAME THING FOR FACILITIES OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO, WHERE THEY HAVE SIMILAR EVALUATION CRITERIA.AND THEN AT LEAST THAT WAY YOU HAVE A RANKING IN EACH OF THE BUCKETS WHERE YOU CAN SAY, ALL RIGHT, HERE IS THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, ONE THROUGH 50 PROJECTS OR BY LIKE, LIKE LIFE'S HEALTH SAFETY, RIGHT? LIKE, THIS IS HOW, LIKE LIFE'S ESSENTIAL LIFE SAFETY A NICE TO HAVE OR A FEATURE IN A COMMUNITY.
BUT I WOULD WANNA SATISFY THOSE THINGS THAT ARE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THOSE THAT IMPACT ON THE ECONOMIC ACCESS FOR COMMUNITIES.
UH, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY PRIORITIZATION, BUT I'M SURE THE TASK FORCE HAS DIFFERENT CRITERIA IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WOULD ALIGN.
BUT WE PROBABLY NEED SOME HELP IN REALLY CONSIDERING THOSE BUCKETS.
I ACTUALLY HAD AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY AND, AND THE PERSON I WAS TALKING TO LIKENED IT TO ICE CREAM AND BROCCOLI, RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY THAT A NEW FIRE STATION IS, IS ICE CREAM, RIGHT? AND WATERSHED IMPROVEMENTS ARE BROCCOLI.
IT'S REALLY TOUGH IF YOU GO OUT AND SAY, WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? AND EVERYONE'S GONNA, WELL, I WANT A LOT OF ICE CREAM, BUT I DON'T WANT ANY BROCCOLI, EVEN THOUGH BROCCOLI HAS A VERY HIGH, UH, YOU KNOW, HEALTH LIFE SAFETY BENEFIT TO IT.
UH, LET ME SEE IF THERE ARE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED, ASKED ONE YET.
UM, I'M JUST KIND OF AWARE OF OUR TIME AND KNOW THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE ACTION ITEMS. SO, UM, INSTEAD OF MAYBE DELVING TOO MUCH INTO THE RUBRIC AND THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, I'M JUST GONNA REQUEST, I ASSUME YOU HAVE A RUBRIC AND A PROCESS FOR ENGAGEMENT FROM THE LAST TIME AROUND.
IS THAT ACCURATE? I CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE, I WASN'T HERE THE LAST TIME WE DID THE, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE LAST TIME.
IF WE COULD JUST GET THOSE, AND THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER STAFF IS WILLING TO PRESENT WHAT YOU RECOMMEND, IF WE COULD JUST PUT THAT ON OUR AGENDA FOR JANUARY, THEN WE CAN START CREATING OUR OWN, UH, RUBRIC TO GUIDE OUR WORK.
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, ROBERT.
SO YES, BUT WE ARE DEVELOPING A NEW, EVERYTHING'S CHANGED SINCE WE DID THE LAST, SO YES.
WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT NOW WORKING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO DEVELOP.
HOW WOULD YOU PR STAFF, HOW WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE? 'CAUSE YOU'RE COMING FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET 50 MILLION, YOU'VE GOT 3 BILLION OF NEEDS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT.
HOW WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE? AS SOON AS WE GET THAT IN ANY SORT OF WORKING ORDER, WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
AND EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, STAFF WILL DEVELOP OUR OWN PRIORITIZATION SYSTEM.
WHY YOU ARE HERE IS, 'CAUSE COUNCIL WANTS A DIFFERENT LENS THAN STAFF.
SO WE MAY, WE MAY END UP WITH EXACTLY THE SAME, OR WE MAY END UP WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND YOU'RE, YOU'VE TWEAKED IT WITH YOUR OWN RUBRIC AS WE'RE CALLING IT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND EMBRACE THAT PROFESSIONAL STAFF ARE PUTTING TOGETHER TECHNICAL CRITERIA AND PRIORITIZATION.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT LENS.
YOU WILL, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD PARTNERSHIP AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF
SO WE'RE, AND WE'RE NOT ONLY LOOKING INTERNALLY, BUT HOW THEY COORDINATE AND SEE IF YOUR PRIORITIZATION PARKS WORKS WITH WATERSHED AND IT WORKS.
IF IT TOUCHES BOTH BOXES, MAYBE IT'S A HIGHER PRIORITY.
SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK.
WE, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO HOLD DATA FROM YOU.
ABSOLUTELY NOT THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO IT IN A REALLY PROFESSIONAL WAY.
SO YOU ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO, TO THEN DO A LOT OF WORK TO SURVIVE.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT SORT OF HELPS ANSWER IT.
AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IT TO YOU, WE WILL.
AND HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IN A SIMILAR OH ABSOLUTELY.
THERE'S GONNA BE 22 PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE COMING IN WITH OUR OWN LENS.
SO WE DON'T WANNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE MEETING OR TWO MEETINGS TO, UM, HAVE TO RUSH THROUGH THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE WORK IN PARALLEL INSTEAD OF SEQUENTIALLY AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IT TO.
AND THEN WHENEVER Y'ALL HAVE THE INPUT, THEN WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS IN TERMS OF THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, HAS THE 100% NEEDS ASSESSMENT, KINDA LIKE CHAIR MARY WAS ASKING ABOUT BEN, IS THAT COMPLETE? WE'RE 99%.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF STRAGGLER DEPARTMENTS.
I'VE HEARD FROM OTHERS THAT IT'S DONE.
THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE DONE, BUT EVERYONE IS NOT DONE.
SO CAN WE GET WHAT IS DONE? LIKE, SO THE, THOSE WHO ARE STRUGGLING ARE SLOWING US DOWN AT LOOKING? YEAH.
I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO GETTING IT DONE.
SO LET ME, LET ME GET WITH MARCUS AND STUFF AND WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE CAN SEND YOU.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS WE MEET IN JANUARY, HAVING HAD SOME TIME WITH THAT TO LOOK AT, EVEN THOUGH Y'ALL HAVEN'T, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE STILL DOING IS GOING FROM A HUNDRED PERCENT NARROWING IT DOWN, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT WE WANNA SEE THE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO JUST AS A FINER POINT ON THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, A PART OF THAT NARROWING
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DOWN PROCESS IS MAKING SURE THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR BOND FUNDING.'CAUSE THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED THAT SPECIFICALLY ARE INELIGIBLE.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE FIRST SCREEN.
I, WE CAN GIVE THAT TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO, BUT THERE'S STUFF THAT'S GONNA BE IN THERE THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE, WELL IF YOU PUMP BUMP IT TO NUMBER ONE AND IT'S LIKE, WELL THAT'S NOT AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
MAYBE JUST HIGHLIGHT THEM, FLAG THAT.
'CAUSE LIKE WE WILL GET THAT COMMENT FROM OTHER FOLKS RIGHT.
IN THE COMMUNITY, WHY DIDN'T YOU INCLUDE WHATEVER.
AND WE CAN SAY, WELL, IT WAS ON THE LIST, BUT IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE 'CAUSE X, Y, Z.
RIGHT? LIKE, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE IT ALL.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK ERIC'S SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE THAT COMPLETED YET, SO WE'RE GONNA THEN WHATEVER 99% IS, RIGHT? NO, NO.
I MEAN OF THE 99%, 10% OF THAT MIGHT FALL OFF AND YOU, IT'S A MOOT POINT FOR Y'ALL.
IT'S NOT EVEN PART OF YOUR PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU SOME, IF YOU'RE WANTING IT AND WE CAN GIVE IT TO YOU, IT'S GONNA BE RAW DATA THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED THROUGH AND SAID THAT PROJECT YOU GUYS CAN'T EVEN LOOK AT.
SO WE'RE, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS NOT WASTE SOME OF YOUR TIME AND DO A LOT OF THAT WORK BEFORE IT GOT TO YOU.
BUT I HEAR THAT I'M ASKING FOR MY TIME TO BE WASTED THEN.
LET ME JUST SAY THAT THE TASK FORCE HAS AN AGENDA ITEM TO, TO FURTHER DISCUSS THIS AMONGST OURSELVES.
BUT IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE STILL HAVE TIME FOR THAT.
SO CHARLES, AT WHAT POINT CAN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE INPUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS? COUNCIL REALIZED A LONG TIME AGO THAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS NEEDED TO HAVE INPUT BEFORE THERE WAS A PROPOSED BUDGET, BEFORE THERE WAS A LIST.
AND SO THEY OPENED THAT PROCESS UP FOR BOARD COMMISSIONS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHERE WOULD THAT FIT INTO THIS PROCESS? SO THE INITIAL LIST FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS IN, YOU KNOW, QUARTER ONE, QUARTER 2, 20, 25.
SO RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, UM, IN TERMS OF THAT.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, AN OVERVIEW FROM THE DEPARTMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BOARD.
YOU KNOW, SO THE LIBRARY WOULD GO TO THE LIBRARY BOARD WITH THEIR LIST OF NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS A, AS AN INFORMATIVE THING.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE, WHAT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE COMMISSIONS THAT DON'T HAVE DEPARTMENTS? UM, IS, I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK THROUGH, UH, WERE THEY ON THE LIST? I DON'T THINK THEY WERE ON THE LIST OF THE 13 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE WERE DIRECTED TO GO TO.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT THOUGH, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE INPUT? 'CAUSE IF THEY DON'T, THEY'LL GO TO COUNCIL.
I'M SAYING THAT WE WERE NOT DIRECTED TO GO TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE COMMISSION AS PARK RESOLUTION.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO WORK THAT IN, BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED.
AND THEN IF YOU ALL ARE ASKING AT ANY POINT, LIKE YOU ARE, CHARLES, CAN YOU GO TO, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND THEM SOMETHING WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET THEIR INPUT OUT AS WE CAN, BUT AT WHAT POINT? BUT IT'S THE SAME POINT AS WE'RE DOING THESE OTHER, YOU SEE THAT ONE RIGHT HERE? BEFORE, BEFORE QUARTER TWO? YEAH, I GOT IT.
AND THEN YOU SEE WE GO BACK TO THEM AFTER YOU'VE DONE SOME OF YOUR WORK.
SO GET THEIR INITIAL FEEDBACK, YOU ALL DO SOME OF YOUR WORK AND THEN GO BACK TO THEM FOR INPUT TOWARDS THE END.
RACHEL? UM, IF THERE ARE, UH, SPECIFIC LIKE EQUITY ANALYSIS PLANS, LIKE I REMEMBER THERE'S SUPPOSED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PARK WITHIN A QUARTER OF EVERY, YOU KNOW, AND SIDEWALKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IF THAT, I, THIS IS, I KNOW THIS IS A BIG REQUEST, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME SENSE OF THE, I GUESS I, I'M NOT UNCLEAR IF THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE PRIORITIZED AS PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WORK.
OR IF WE NEED TO HAVE LIKE, HAVE THE UNIVERSE OF THESE ARE ALL OF THE EQUITY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE LAST, UH, YOU KNOW.
SO EACH, EACH DEPARTMENT IS BRINGING FORTH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TYING THEM TO THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS SO THAT IF THAT ELEMENT IS INCLUDED IN THE DEPARTMENT STRATEGIC STRATEGIC PLAN, MOST OF THEM IT IS, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEM, BUT THAT WILL BE AS PART OF THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND EVALUATION IS TYING WHAT THIS PROJECT IS TO THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO THERE'LL BE A THING IN THERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, UM, HISTORICALLY UNDER INVESTED AREAS.
AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE, OKAY, WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, TICKS TO THIS ITEM THAT'S ON THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN.
SO THOSE THINGS TIE TOGETHER AS PART OF THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON IS HOW DO THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS TIE TO THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE STRATEGIC PLANS FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.
CAN YOU INCLUDE IN THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EXAMPLE OF SIDEWALKS, IF A SIDEWALK HAS BEEN ON A LIST FOR 20 YEARS AND STILL HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED, AND THEN WE HAVE IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, A SIDEWALK THAT'S BEEN THERE NOW FOR FIVE YEARS, SHOULD NOT THE 20 YEAR ONE GET THE PRIORITY AUTOMATICALLY? SO THAT'S A, I I'M ALSO ASKING LIKE, DON'T FILTER THE ASSESSMENT.
UM, I MEAN, FOR ME IT'S LIKE, I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD WHAT I NEED.
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I ALREADY KNOW WHAT I NEED.UM, I THINK RESIDENTS THEMSELVES, THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT THEY NEED.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT THAT STAFF NO ONE FILTER THAT MM-HMM
AND, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND I'VE ALSO ASKED PREVIOUSLY FOR THE 2018 BOND, WHICH ONE? THE, THE FAVORABILITY RATING FOR EACH AS THEY VOTE WERE VOTED ON.
UM, SO, 'CAUSE I, I, I DID ASK THAT AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING, AND I KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, FLOODING WAS A PRIORITY AND HAD HIGHER APPROVAL THEN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
SO, SO AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT DATA.
I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE FORMAL.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LISTEN TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHEN WE SAY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE, WE NEED TO MEAN IT.
I'M ALSO GONNA BE WATCHING THE SURVEY QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFF PREPARE BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE LEADING BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER.
AND AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T TREAT US LIKE WE'RE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE FAVORABILITY, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR JUST THE VOTER? JUST THE VOTER APPROVED, LIKE 78 APPROVED IN 22 VOTED AGAINST KIND OF THING.
BECAUSE ONE THING WE QUICKLY REALIZED IS IF WE HAD ASKED FOR MORE MONEY ON THE FLOODING PIECE, WE WOULD'VE HAD DONE A LOT MORE FIXES, A LOT QUICKER MM-HMM
AND WE WOULDN'T BE DEALING WITH THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND.
I CAN SEE YOU IF YOU HAVE ONE.
OH, TINA, JUST A, JUST A, A COMMENT IF I COULD, UH, JUST A, A BIT OF A STAFF APPRECIATION COMMENT.
I THINK THIS SOUNDS LIKE FROM THIS GROUP, THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO HAVE AN EYEBALL INTO THAT.
SO THE MORE DATA THAT WE CAN HAVE, THE BETTER, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT IT TO SLOW STAFF DOWN FROM ACTUALLY CREATING THAT RECOMMENDATION LIST LIST AND DOING THE WORK.
UH, THIS TASK FORCE I KNOW IS, IS FULL OF GREAT CIVIC LEADERS AND I KNOW WILL DO YEOMAN'S WORK TO, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE A, A SHOUT OUT TO, UH, THE, JUST THE GOOD WORK THAT STAFF DOES ON A DAILY BASIS TO SUPPORT OUR CITY.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TAKE QUICK QUESTIONS IF WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. OKAY.
HEY MARY, I THINK BO HAS A, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT BO HAD RAISED HIS HAND.
BE I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND.
UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE, UH, IT WAS REFERENCED QUITE QUICKLY AND I'M, I'M SORT OF LOOKING THROUGH ALL THIS, UH, ALL THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS.
UM, I HEARD IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION, UH, AN ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE INDICATING THAT IF THE BOND WERE TO BE HELD IN 2025, THAT WOULD LIMIT THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED TO LIKE 600 MILLION.
DID I, DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? THAT WAS, THAT WAS A, UM, HYPOTHETICAL BASED ON THE MOST RECENT MEMO THAT CAME OUT FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE.
THE ACTUAL NUMBER HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED YET.
BUT THE POINT OF THAT WAS THAT LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, $50 MILLION OR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN 2025, THAT 50 OR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE TAKEN OFF OF ANYTHING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IN 2026.
SO THE GRAND TOTAL IS SET, WHETHER WE DO IT IN 25 OR 26, IT WOULD DEPEND ON, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION OF THE TOTAL, UH, OF THE TOTAL FOR 20 A COMPREHENSIVE BOND.
AND IN YOUR TALKING POINTS, I'M JUST QUICKLY IF YOU COULD ELABORATE, I'M JUST SORT OF ANTICIPATING WHAT STAFF WOULD BE SAYING TO COUNCIL THAT, THAT HAVING A BOND IN 2025 IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S FISCAL POLICY.
AND I, UH, MAYBE THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN EXPLAINING TO US, BUT COULD YOU JUST MAYBE DRILL DOWN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? KIM'S THE BEST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, SO OUR, OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES AND THEN, AND CHARLES HAD MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT AGO, THE FINANCIAL POLICY IS THAT, UH, WE DON'T DO ANOTHER BOND ELECTION UNTIL WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS OF SPENDING REMAINING ON EXISTING, UM, PROGRAMS. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT 2026 ELECTION TIMING FALLS INTO PLACE.
UM, THAT GETS US IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, THE FINANCIAL POLICY.
THOSE FINANCIAL POLICY IS IMPORTANT AND OUR ADHERENCE TO THEM IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES LOOK AT OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE CLOSELY WHEN THEY DO OUR ANNUAL RATINGS.
THOSE RATINGS MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY TURNS INTO, UM, WELL DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTES TO THE INTEREST RATES THAT WE WILL PAY ON THAT DEBT.
UM, THE, AND I NOTED THIS PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THOSE OFF-CYCLE BOND PROGRAMS, THAT'S, I MEAN, IF WE HAD STUCK WITH JUST A 2018
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BOND PROGRAM BACK WHEN THAT ONE OCCURRED, THEN WE WOULD'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A BOND ELECTION PROBABLY IN 2024 BECAUSE IT USUALLY WORKS OUT TO ABOUT EVERY SIX YEARS.UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE OFF CYCLE PROGRAMS THAT OCCURRED IN, UH, UM, IN, IN 16 AND 20 AND 22, IT JUST PUSHED EVERYTHING OUT FURTHER.
UM, ALSO I'M JUST, AND, AND I MENTIONED THESE FINANCIAL METRICS, THE DEBT, THE DEBT TO AV AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, UM, THOSE ARE ALL VERY SPECIFIC METRICS THAT THE CREDITING RATING AGENCIES LOOK AT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE PUTTING, UM, A HIGHLIGHT ON THOSE IN OUR MEMO TO COUNCIL.
UM, AND THE, THE MORE DEBT WE LAYER ON, THE MORE IT IMPACTS THOSE DEBT METRICS, THE MORE IT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT US.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'VE GOT ABOUT 25 MINUTES TO TAKE TWO.
GARY, I THINK YOU WERE FIRST THANK YOU EARLIER.
MOVING TO THE YEAH, GO AHEAD BEN.
I'M JUST GONNA BE BRIEF ON, UH, JUST AS YOU, UH, ARE GONNA INCLUDE NOTES ON THINGS THAT ARE INELIGIBLE BECAUSE OF, NOT, NOT RELATIVE FOR BONDING OR THAT THEY'VE BEEN ON THE PRIORITY LIST FOR 20 YEARS AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO AND KEEP ON GETTING SKIPPED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE NOTES ON, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE A MULTIPLIER EFFECT OR, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, LAY 30 YARDS OF CONCRETE HERE AND NOW YOU'VE CONNECTED SOMEBODY TO A BUS STOP THAT IS NOW, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A QUARTER MILE WHEN IT USED TO BE TWO MILES AWAY, WALKING THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, THINGS THAT SAVE US MONEY, EARN US MONEY, UH, UNLOCK POTENTIAL THAT THAT IS A LITTLE SPEND FOR BIG BANG.
THAT'S THIS TYPE OF STUFF I'M LOOKING FOR.
LAST QUESTION, GARY, REAL QUICK, REAL QUICKLY.
SORRY, WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME REAL QUICK.
AND THEN WE, WE GOTTA MOVE ON.
UM, FIRST IS, UM, AS, AS FAR AS THE, THE RECOMMENDED SCORING CRITERIA, I, I JUST WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR THAT, THAT I BELIEVE, AND I, THAT THE ONE FUNDAMENTAL TENET OF THE THIS TASK FORCE IS TO EVALUATE THE STORMWATER PROJECT VERSUS STORMWATER PROJECTS, BUT ALSO A STORMWATER PROJECT VERSUS A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT VERSUS AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
THAT'S THE JOB OF THIS TASK FORCE ULTIMATELY IS TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO, UM, PLEASE, UH, MY REQUEST IS, IS HAVE A, A RECOMMENDED SCORING CRITERIA THAT INCLUDES BOTH OF THOSE FACTORS.
NUMBER TWO, ON PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, I SIGN UP FOR THIS TASK FORCE AND I EXPECT MOST HERE PEOPLE DID WITH A HOPE AND ANTICIPATION AND DESIRE TO HAVE A VERY, VERY, VERY STRONG PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UH, COMPONENT TO THIS.
UH, SO WHAT I, I MAY HAVE MISHEARD, BUT WHAT I, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A, A QUESTION ABOUT IF THERE WAS A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE OF THIS, UH, A HEARING OR A, UM, AND WE DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM THAT THAT MEETING WOULD BE CANCELED.
AND, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE, BUT I'LL JUST, MY REQUEST IS JUST CAN WE GET THAT CONFIRMED SO THAT IF IT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE THAT THAT'S OFF THE TABLE? YES.
I THINK THE ANSWER HAS BEEN THAT WE JUST NEED TO BE ADULTS AND GOVERN OURSELVES AND NOT ALL SHOW UP FOR EACH OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT AND BE SURE WE DON'T ACTUALLY PUT A QUORUM TOGETHER UNINTENTIONALLY.
UM, IS IT BRIEF BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA RUN OUTTA TIME.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE FOR UM, WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE
[4. Discussion and possible action on the Bond Election Advisory Task Force meeting schedule.]
ON THE NEXT, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT OUR ONGOING MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2025.UH, BARBARA, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO GIVE US AN UPDATE.
I THINK LAST TIME YOU WERE STILL WORKING WITH THE SCHEDULING FOR THE ROOM.
OH, I AM REALLY SORRY ABOUT THAT.
THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS BEEN HOLDING US OFF.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU ALL NOTICE, BUT A NUMBER OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WERE ELIMINATED AT THE THURSDAY MEETING, SO AT LEAST THERE'S MORE SLOTS FOR US.
AND I WILL HAVE AN ANSWER SHORTLY AND WE'LL GET IT OUT TO YOU AS SOON AS I HAVE WITH SOME OPTIONS.
SO WE NEED TO SCHEDULE A JANUARY MEETING THEN WITH THIS GROUP? YES.
CAN WE DO THAT? CAN WE, NO, NO, WE CAN'T EVEN SCHEDULE OUR JANUARY MEETING.
UM, I WILL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU REALLY, REALLY SOON.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD WE DO, ROBERT, TO GET OUT OPTIONS TO, UM, I WAS GOING TO DO A DOODLE POLL AND LET EVERYBODY LIKE SAY WHAT TIME OF DAY MAKES THEM HAPPIER AND THEN WE CAN, UH, FIGURE THAT OUT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO BE SURE THAT WE, IN YOUR DOODLE POLL, WE, WE CAPTURE SOME, UM, EVENING CHOICES.
SO I, 'CAUSE I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, I THINK SOME OF OTHERS HAVE VOICED THE EFFECT THAT ONE O'CLOCK ON ANY WORKDAY IS HARD FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND, UM, LET US HEAR FROM THEM.
SO IF YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU PUT THE DOODLE TOGETHER, THAT WE HAVE SOME EVENING OPPORTUNITIES, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
THE DOODLE THAT I WILL BE PRE THE SCHEDULE THAT WE WILL HAVE WILL BE THE SCHEDULE FOR A REGULAR MEETING AT A REGULAR TIME, THE ENTIRE TIME.
SO THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES DO
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YOU WANT AN EVENING MEETING OR DO YOU WANT A DAYTIME MEETING? WE'RE ASKING A LOT OF CITY STAFF TO COME AND REPORT OUT.SO WE WERE HOPING THAT A DAYTIME MEETING WOULD BE, UM, POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN SAVE THE CITY STAFF'S TIME TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY PART OF IT BECAUSE WE WILL WANT THEM THERE ALSO.
WELL IF YOU JUST GIVE US AS MANY OPTIONS AS WE CAN HAVE, UM, GREAT TO, TO TO THINK ABOUT HOPEFULLY BY THE NEXT MEETING.
OH, IT WILL BE IN THE NEXT WEEK.
OR I WILL BE LIVING IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE
WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE DATE TIME YET, TO BE HONEST.
MY HOPE IS THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY HOLIDAYS ON IT.
UM, I'VE WORKED ON THIS, I'VE DONE SOME THOUGHT, UM, AND UM, TRYING TO GET THIS TIMEFRAME SO THAT WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST IT FOR FUTURE MEETINGS.
'CAUSE AT THAT POINT WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE THE SCHEDULE.
UM, THERE'S A CALENDAR ON OUTLOOK THAT I CAN LOOK AT AND LET YOU KNOW IT'S THERE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T EVEN ADDED ANYTHING TO THE CALENDAR YET.
ANY OTHER INPUT ON THIS ITEM?
UM, IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT TIME OF DAY, AT LEAST FOR ME, THAT DEPENDS ON THE DAY OF THE WEEK.
SO IF YOU CAN HAVE IT BY DAY, A WEEK OF THE WEEK, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME ON A WEDNESDAY OR WHATEVER, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS JUST FOR THIS ACTION ITEM FOR US, UM, WHILE WE CAN'T MAYBE SET THE EXACT DATE AND TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT WAS LAID OUT HERE, IT DOES SEEM LIKE IF WE DO WANT TO HAVE THE OPTION TO PUT FORWARD SOME LIMITED NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2025, WHICH MAYBE WE DECIDE NOT TO DO, BUT IF WE WANT TO KEEP THAT DOOR OPEN, IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE WOULD NEED TO LIKE ADJUST THIS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANNA DO WITHOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OUR MEETINGS OR THE WORK, THE WORK ON THE FLOW ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT? BOTH.
SO THAT WAS THE, THAT'S THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
SO THIS IS JUST OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
WELL, I GUESS THEN MY COMMENT IS WE MIGHT NEED TO MEET MORE THAN ONCE A MONTH IF WE WANNA KEEP THAT DOOR OPEN AT LEAST FOR A FEW MONTHS THROUGH THE SPRING.
I GUESS BARBARA, IF YOU COULD CONSIDER THAT, WE MIGHT WANT MORE THAN ONE MONTH.
THAT GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY.
I DO HOPE THAT DOESN'T LIKE CONTINUE.
RIGHT? I WOULD JUST SEE THAT AS LIKE AN INTERIM KIND OF THING.
YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST AS A COMMENT ONLINE, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE DURING THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION PHASES.
THIS BODY MAY DECIDE ALSO TO TAKE AN OPEN MEETING AND AN OPEN TOWN HALL TYPE MEETING TO ALLOW FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
BUT IT IS A LONG SERVICE TIME AND A LOT OF DEEP WORK THIS GROUP IS GONNA BE DOING.
UH, AND SO I, I JUST CAUTION AGAINST MEETING JUST TO MEET.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH INTENT KNOWING THAT STAFF IS GONNA BE SITTING HERE FOR THREE AND FOUR HOURS AT A TIME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON OUR MEETING SCHEDULE TODAY, BUT HOPEFULLY IN JANUARY.
[5. Discussion and possible action on the bond development process and creating work session groups.]
THE AGENDA IS WAS I, MAYBE I WILL READ IT SO I DON'T MISSPEAK DISCUSSION.POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE BOND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND CREATING WORK SESSION GROUPS.
SO WE'VE GOTTEN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED, PROPOSED SCHEDULE.
I WANTED A LOT MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT OR, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS WE HAVE, THOUGHTS WE HAVE ON, UM, SUPPLEMENTING, ADDING, MAKING SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE SEE THAT PROCESS WORKING.
SO WITH THE TIME WE HAVE LEFT, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND JUST LAUNCH IN AND I WOULD JUST TAKE INPUT FROM THE GROUP ON THOUGHTS ON THE PROCESS AS LAID OUT.
I KNOW MOST OF Y'ALL LIKE ME, WE'RE WORKING WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH AT 10 30, SO HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE REALLY TO DIGEST IT MUCH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE AND WE MIGHT AS WELL, UM, GIVE, HAVE SOME EARLY THOUGHTS OR INPUT ON WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AND IDEAS FOR, UH, SUPPLEMENTING, ADDING, IMPROVING.
SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE GROUP IF ANYBODY HAS THOUGHTS OR THEY WOULD, IS THE QUESTION AROUND THE WORKING GROUPS STRUCTURE? NOT AT THE MOMENT.
THE QUESTION WAS AROUND THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE PROCESS, MEANING WHAT'S HAPPENING WHEN Q1, Q2, WHAT'S THE BTF DOING
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DURING THAT PROCESS? IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE NEED ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT TRY TO DO SOMETHING IN 2025, I WANTED THERE TO BE A DISCUSSION OF THE GROUP.'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO END UP WITH A PROCESS, A WORK PLAN THAT THE WORKING GROUPS CAN WORK THE WORKING PLAN.
WE CAN HAVE UPDATES, YOU KNOW, AT THESE MEETINGS FOR THOSE WORKING GROUPS.
BUT WITHOUT A PROCESS AND TIMELINE, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE HARD TO, TO, TO, TO, UH, DELIVER.
SO I WANTED THIS GROUP TO CONSIDER WHAT THE PROCESS WE MIGHT HAVE TO WANT THE PROCESS TO LOOK LIKE IF IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CITY HAS PRESENTED TODAY.
UM, I THINK GIVEN, SO I SEE THESE, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDED WORKING GROUPS.
I THINK THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION MOVING INTO THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW YEAR, BUT I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE START TO THINK ABOUT WHICH WORKING BREAK UP IN, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE THE RIGHT, UH, BUCKETS, BUT THAT WE BREAK UP INTO THE WORKING GROUPS TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO ANALYZE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS GONNA BE VERY HARD TO BOTH COMPARE ONE DRAINAGE PROJECT TO ANOTHER, BUT ALSO THE, THE DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
AND SO I THINK HAVING THE GROUP STARTING TO WORK TOGETHER AND AT LEAST BE ABLE TO THINK THROUGH WHAT THEIR OWN METRICS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD TO JUST HAVE FULL GROUP, LIKE PROJECT COMPARISONS AND I THINK GETTING THE WORKING GROUPS ACCUSTOMED WITH EACH OTHER AND WHAT HAVING A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE PRIORITIES OF EACH WORKING GROUP WOULD REALLY HELP US START TO ESTABLISH.
SO I, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST SPLITTING UP INTO THE WORKING GROUPS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO CREATE SOME OF THAT BASELINE.
AND ALSO, UM, OH, I HAD ONE OTHER THOUGHT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.
WHILE, WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, ONE POSSIBILITY WOULD BE FOR EVERY, UM, EACH OF Y'ALL TO EMAIL ME THE WORKING GROUP THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, THAT ASSUMES THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS, THIS SLATE.
AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT LIKE 10 MINUTES IF WE, IF WE, THE GROUPS DECIDES RIGHT NOW WE WANNA JUMP INTO THE SLATE OF THE WORKING GROUPS.
WE GOT A LOT, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE ROOM.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
YEAH, JUST TO, AND I ALSO THINK THE WORKING GROUPS CAN HAVE THEIR OWN MEETINGS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN TIME FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
SO IT ALLOWS FOR A BETTER RIGHT.
OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO COME SPEAK TO THE WORKING GROUPS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY AS MUCH ABOUT WHAT TIME THIS MEETING IS BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING AND HAVING A QUORUM.
YEAH, CHAIR, I'LL PROBABLY ADD TO THAT.
UM, MAYBE FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR THE FOCUS TO BE ON THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, I THINK THAT'S GONNA TAKE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DELIBERATION WITH THIS GROUP AROUND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'LL GIVE STAFF TIME TO GET US KIND OF A PRELIMINARY NEEDS ASSESSMENT AS WELL.
SO WE EITHER ARE GONNA LAUNCH NOW INTO FIGURING OUT IF THESE ARE THE RIGHT GROUPS AND THEN INDIVIDUALS CAN EMAIL ME THE GROUP THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN BEING IN.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, SO HELP ME OUT ON WHAT WE THINK.
YOU HAVE A PROCESS IN MIND FOR GETTING US THERE.
UM, HONESTLY, I WAS GONNA SAY MY COMMENT IS I THINK THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY GOOD STARTING PLACE.
WE'VE GOT SIX CATEGORIES THAT OBVIOUSLY DON'T DESCRIBE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
UM, BUT MY, MY PERSONAL COMMENT IS MAYBE THERE ARE SOME, SOME TWEAKS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE.
BUT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD STARTING POINT AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE SIX WORKING GROUPS THAT I'LL HAND IT OFF
UH, WE COULD ADOPT THESE AND THEN FORM NEW ONES AS WE SEE A NEW NEED OPEN UP.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT BOUND TO ONLY ADOPT, OPERATE WITHIN THESE, THESE FIVE PROPOSED WORKING GROUPS.
CAN I PROPOSE JUST ONE AMENDMENT TO THIS LIST? UM, SINCE WE HEARD A, I THINK AN ANSWER ON THE ELECTRIFICATION, BUT ONE THAT I, I FELT LIKE WAS MAYBE A LITTLE LACKING, THAT WE JUST MAKE IT TRANSPORTATION AND ELECT ELECTRIFICATION INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT CAN BE PART OF THAT GROUP SO WE'RE NOT CREATING A WHOLE NOTHER GROUP.
SO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA ADOPT WITH ONE? SURE.
I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED WORKING GROUPS WITH THE CHANGE BEING IN THE FINAL ONE TO BE TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIFICATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT WE WOULD ADD WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE EXAMPLE PROGRAMS, UM, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIFICATION, UH, PLANNING AND ELECTRIFICATION, CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR CITY DEPARTMENTS AND COMMUNITY NEEDS.
I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH, THERE MAY BE MORE EXAMPLE PROGRAMS PEOPLE WANNA ADD TO IT, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF THE WORKING GROUP TITLES.
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A SECOND? SECOND? UH, BUT, OKAY.ALL IN FAVOR OF THOSE? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
WITH TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRI ELECTRIFICATION INFRASTRUCTURE BEING OUR WORKING GROUPS FOR NOW WITH THE IDEA THAT WE COULD ADD LATER.
SO WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 WORKING GROUPS.
SO, UM, IF YOU, WE WANNA GO AROUND NOW AND YOU COULD TELL ME WHICH ONES YOU'RE INTERESTED IN OR YOU COULD EMAIL ME EITHER WAY YOU WANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY, DO DO WE KNOW NOW WE HAVE A THOUGHT OR WE WANNA THINK ABOUT IT SINCE WE JUST GOT THIS? MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE ALL EMAIL A FIRST AND SECOND CHOICE.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TEST THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE ON ONE AND ONLY ONE WORKING GROUP.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I WOULD LIKE TO BAND TWO.
YEAH, I DON'T, YEAH, SO, BUT IN CASE, LIKE, MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE ONE THING, BUT I AM HAPPY TO SERVE ON ANOTHER IF THERE ISN'T SUFFICIENT INTEREST.
SO FIRST AND SECOND CHOICE OR RANKED, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I, I DO THINK THAT EMAILING MIGHT BE A GOOD, UM, PROCESS SINCE WE'RE SHORT ON TIME.
YEAH, I'D SUGGEST RANKING ONE, ONE TO FIVE FOR EACH, EACH PARTICIPANT.
JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON REDUNDANCY.
UH, SHOULD WE COPY A STAFF MEMBER IN ADDITION TO YOU
I I, THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT CAME UP.
I ASKED FOR A CONTACT LIST FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM TO BE SHARED WITH EVERYONE IN THE ROOM.
STAFF DECLINED TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE FEAR THAT THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE WALKING QUORUM.
SO JUST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CONTACT LIST.
UM, LET ME THINK ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.
I'LL GIVE YOU MY EMAIL AND YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO EMAIL ME JUST NOT AS A GROUP.
JUST TO, YOU HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL THAT YOU DON'T REPLY.
I'M JUST ASKING THEM TO TO EMAIL ME INDIVIDUALLY.
THEY CAN EMAIL ME INDIVIDUALLY.
CAN CAN WE JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IS IF YOU JUST EMAIL EVERYTHING DIRECTLY TO MYSELF AND SAM AND THEN MARY WE WILL COMPILE IT.
I THINK I'D JUST RATHER ON THIS, THEY CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY IF THAT'S OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO OBJECTS TO HAVING THEIR INFORMATION SHARED AT THE REST OF THE GROUP? I DON THINK IT WAS A PERSONAL OBJECTION THING.
IT WAS A DISCOURAGING IT BECAUSE OF THE FEAR OF A WALKING AWAY.
BUT FOR THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY, OUR INFORMATION IS ON THE WEBSITE.
SO WE ABSOLUTELY DO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER AND IT'S ON US ALL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, WITHHOLDING CONTACT INFORMATION IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY HAS AN INTENTION OF DOING THAT, THEY CAN
SO I THINK WE'RE, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT GET OUT, IT WAS JUST THE CITY DID NOT WANNA SEND THE CITY'S CONTACT LIST THAT THEY PROVIDED TO ME.
SO WE'RE GONNA ALL EMAIL YOU AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA SHARE IT WITH US.
IS THAT, AM I, I'M NOT SHARING EMAIL ADDRESSES, BUT YOU CAN REACH OUT, YOU KNOW, SHARE.
YOU COULD IN THESE MEETINGS, YOU CAN TALK TO WHOEVER YOU WANT.
SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL EMAIL US WITH A PRELIMINARY, UM, SCHEDULE OR A PRELIMINARY ASSIGNMENT OF WHICH WORKING GROUP, I'M GONNA EMAIL YOU AND ASK YOU TO RANK THESE IN AN EMAIL BACK TO ME.
HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE A BETTER TECHNOLOGY THAN JUST AN EMAIL.
WHY IS THIS GROUP BEING TREATED DIFFERENT THAN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? LIKE WHY CAN OUR INFORMATION NOT BE SHARED? ALL WE CAN SHARE IS THAT WE ASK THE CLERK THE VERY QUESTION AND SHE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SHARE THAT.
AND WE ARE NOT GIVEN CITY OF AUSTIN.
YEAH, THERE'S NO CITY EMAILS, EMAIL ADDRESSES.
SO MAY BE THE DIFFERENCE THERE BECAUSE OF THE, THE TASK FORCE NOT BEING A PARTICULAR TYPE OF COMMISSION TASK FORCE.
I HAVE A POINT THAT'S NOT ON THE, NOT ON WORKING GROUPS.
IS YOUR QUESTION ON THE WORKING GROUPS? IT IS.
WE'LL EMAIL YOU WITH OUR RE REQUESTS AND THEN ARE YOU GONNA BE THE DECIDER OF THE POPULATING OF THE WORKING GROUPS? NO, I THINK I'M GONNA COME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, NO, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THOSE.
I I'M GONNA COME BACK WITH THE INFORMATION SORT OF PUT TOGETHER AND, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE TOO MANY PEOPLE ON ONE OR NOT ENOUGH ON ANOTHER.
SO I WANT THE GROUP TO, I I WOULD SUGGEST INCLUDING THAT IN THE THE JANUARY AGENDA.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN, YES, WE STAFF WILL THEN SEND THAT OUT TO EVERYONE BEFOREHAND AND WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING YOU HAVING TO EMAIL EVERYBODY ELSE AND POTENTIALLY RUNNING A FOUL OF THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE WORKING GROUP? OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE, UM, MORE WORK TO DO ON THE PROCESS AT ANOTHER LATER DATE.
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ANY OTHER ON THAT? SO WE'RE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE, IS AN ITEM ON OUR JANUARY AGENDA? THE WORKING GROUPS? YES.WOULD THAT AGENDA, WOULD THAT AGENDA ITEM ITEM ALSO INCLUDE ACTION FOR MEETINGS SETTING? MEETING SCHEDULES? YES.
SO JANUARY, SO FAR WE'RE GOING TO NEEDS ASSESSMENT, OUR MEETING SCHEDULE, UH, THE WORKING GROUPS.
AND I, I STILL THINK WE NEED A, A PROCESS MORE FULL, UM, FULL DISCUSSION OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE WITH THE DEVELOPING LIKE A WORKING PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOT, WHAT'S GOTTA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS, 120 DAYS.
ONE POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE UPON IS WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND A 2025 BOND.
AND I REALLY HOPED THAT TODAY WAS GOING TO HELP GET US TO A PLACE WHERE WE COULD HAVE THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
I'M HOPING THAT'S NEXT MEETING.
YEAH, WE KNOW, I, I HAD ASKED, I, I THINK I, WE, I ASKED THE STAFF TO KINDA TELL US WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT ALL I GOT WAS THE DATE BY WHICH A RECOMMENDATION NEEDED TO MAKE TO COUNCIL AND I NEED MORE, WE NEED MORE DETAIL OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHEN DOES IT NEED TO START? SO JUST, UM, SORRY, ONE THING ON THE WORKING GROUPS I DID NOTICE IS THAT PARKS LAST TIME WAS IN THE FACILITIES, UM, GROUP.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA WARN PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME THAT THE FACILITIES, THERE'S A LOT OF FACILITIES, SO THAT'S A, AN USUALLY AN ENORMOUS, THAT'S A BIG BUCKET.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AS YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR CHOICE CHOICES.
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
ASK FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE HAVE NOT ALREADY DISCUSSED TODAY.ANYTHING THAT ANYONE HAS JUST DYING TO GET ON THE AGENDA THAT'S NOT ALREADY BEEN.
WE GOT A LOT OF THINGS ON THE JANUARY AGENDA, BUT I CAN TAKE NOTE OF ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE WANT.
IS IT ONE OR TWO EVENING MEETINGS, THREE OR FOUR EVENING MEETINGS OR EACH WORKING GROUP HAVE A MEETING, WHATEVER, LIKE LITERALLY PUT TOGETHER YOUR BEST GUESS AS TO WHAT THAT PROCESS COULD LOOK LIKE IF IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE AND WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, UH, ONCE WE COME BACK AND YOU DO THE SORT OF THE OVERALL, UM, RUBRICS OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS.
I KNOW THAT THE, UM, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT GROUP IS WORKING ON A POTENTIAL ROLLOUT IN A PROCESS.
IF THEY COULD PUT THEIR MINDS, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AS EARLY AS JANUARY, IF THEY COULD PUT THEIR MINDS AROUND THE FEASIBILITY OR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT NOTHING'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT WHAT WOULD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LOOK LIKE WITH 2025 CONVERSELY A AROUND A 2026 PROCESS? LIKE LITERALLY, LIKE HOW MANY MEETINGS WOULD WE BE GIVING UP? HOW MANY TOUCH POINTS? IT'S SIMPLE AS THAT.
AND MY POINT IS, I THINK RELATED TO WHAT YOU SAID, WE HAVE TO MAKE A REPORT, AS I UNDERSTAND TO COUNSEL THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT BY JUNE OF 2025.
RIGHT? THAT WAS
WE HAVE TO GIVE A STATUS REPORT.
IT WAS NOT UNCLEAR WHAT THAT REPORT NEEDED TO INCLUDE.
WELL, SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT RESULT RATHER THAN PROCESS.
THE RESULT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT, THAT ANY LIST THAT COMES OUT OF THIS TASK FORCE BE ABLE TO INCLUDE INPUT FROM BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMUNITY.
IT IS THREE O'CLOCK AND OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.