* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] O'CLOCK [CALL TO ORDER] AND I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION. TODAY IS TUESDAY, JANUARY 7TH, 2025 AT SIX O'CLOCK. WE ARE IN AUSTIN CITY HALL. COUNCIL CHAMBERS ROOM 1 0 0 1. I'LL START WITH CALLING THE THE BOARD MEMBERS CHAIR SMITH. I AM PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GREENBERG. HERE. VICE CHAIR GREENBERG. SECRETARY KERRY THOMPSON. HERE. PARLIAMENTARIAN ALL ALEJANDRO FLORES. HERE. COMMISSIONER SCOTT BOONE? NO. SCOTT BOONE. THOUGHT I SAW HIM. COMMISSIONER FELIX DEPORT PRESENT. COMMISSIONER DAVID FOUTS. HERE. COMMISSIONER WILLIAM FLOYD. HERE. COMMISSIONER RYAN PKI. HERE. COMMISSIONER LONNIE STERN PRESENT. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR MAJOR HERE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO EXECUTIVE [Consent Agenda] SESSIONS, SO WE WILL GO. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES FROM OUR MEETING ON DECEMBER 17TH? SEEING NONE WILL INCLUDE. ITEM ONE IS INCLUDED IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 17TH, 2024. ITEM TWO, REZONING CASE C 14 20 24 DASH 0 1 1 9 SOUTH CENTER STREET. IT IS A REZONING FROM MH TO SF THREE. IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. AND ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, REZONING CASE THREE. NUMBER THREE IS REZONING C 14 20 24 DASH 0 0 6 9:00 AM. STATION AT SEVEN THOUSAND SEVEN THOUSAND EIGHT 7,010. JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM THREE FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY, ITEM THREE IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. IT IS A REZONING CASE FROM G-R-M-U-C-O TO GRCO DB 90 AND C-S-M-U-C-O. UM, ITEM FOUR, HISTORIC ZONING CASE C 14 H 2024 DASH 0 1 62 RUNNING ROPE RANCH. IT IS A REZONING FROM SF THREE TO SF THREE H. THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO JANUARY 21ST AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS A POSTPONEMENT. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS AN EV VARIANCE REQUEST. S SP 2024 DASH 0 1 4 7 CCH LOYOLA FLATS AT 6,700 DECKER LANE. IT IS A ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCE TO VARY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 25 8 2 61 G TO ALLOW FLOODPLAIN MODIFICATION THE CRITICAL WATER QUALITY ZONE. IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. THEY HAVE SEVERAL CONDITIONS AND ALL OF THEIR CONDITIONS, UH, AND ALL THE STAFF CONDITIONS ARE BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WE MAKE. SO ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION CONDITIONS, ALL STAFF CONDITIONS, AND I WON'T READ THEM IN, ARE BEING INCLUDED AS ITEM FIVE. AND IT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO TO RECAP, WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 17TH AS ITEM ONE. ITEM TWO IS A REZONING CASE, WHICH IS ON CONSENT. ITEM THREE IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. ITEM FOUR, HISTORIC ZONING IS A NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONED TO JANUARY 21ST. AND ITEM FIVE IS A CONSENT ITEM AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL VARIANCE, INCLUDING ALL THE CONDITIONS FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THE STAFF CONDITIONS AS WELL. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I HEAR A SECOND. I, I SECOND, SECOND. THE COMMISSIONER DEPORT TWO. UM, YEAH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. COMMENT. ALL THOSE I'D LIKE TO BE SHOWN VOTING NO ON NUMBER TWO. YOU OKAY. UH, SHOW, UM, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG VOTING NO ON ITEM TWO AND I'M A NO. ONE FIVE. AND SHELL COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. MAJOR VOTING NO ON ITEM FIVE. OTHERWISE, THOSE ITEMS ALL PASS ON CONSENT. SO NOW WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION [3. Rezoning: C14-2024-0069 - AM Station; District 1] ON ITEM THREE. REZONING CASE, I'LL CALL IT UP. C FOURTEEN TWENTY TWENTY FOUR DASH 0 0 6 9:00 AM STATION SEVEN THOUSAND SEVEN THOUSAND EIGHT 7,010 JOHNNY ROAD REZONING CASE, UM, REZONING FROM G-R-M-U-C-O TO GRCO DB 90 AND C-S-M-U-C-O, UH, JONATHAN TOMKO WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS CASE NUMBER C 14 DASH 2024 DASH ZERO SIX 9:00 AM STATION. IT IS A REZONING REQUEST OF SEVEN THOUSAND SEVEN THOUSAND EIGHT AND 7,010 JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD FROM G-R-M-U-C-O TO C-S-M-U-C-O ON TRACK ONE AND GRCO DB 90 ON TRACK TWO AS AMENDED. UH, TRACK ONE IS THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITE, WHICH, UH, FRONTS JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 9.6 ACRES. TRACK TWO IS THE WESTERN, UH, APPROXIMATELY 7.68 ACRES, UH, OF THE TRACT STAFF SUPPORTS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. UM, THERE IS A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. UM, THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY ON TRACT [00:05:01] ONE WOULD PROHIBIT 31, UH, USES, WHICH ARE, UH, OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I I CAN READ ALL THOSE IF YOU WANT ME TO. AND CONDITIONALLY ALLOW, UH, THREE ADDITIONAL USES. AND THEN ON TRACK TWO THERE WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY PROHIBITING NINE USES. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO SEEKING A WAIVER OF SECTION 25 2 6 52 F THREE, UH, WHICH IS THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, UH, REQUIREMENT ON TRACK TWO. UH, WHICH STAFF ALSO SUPPORTS, UH, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THE APPLICANT, YES, SIR. HAVE A PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS VICTORIA HASI WITH ROWER DESIGN ON BEHALF OF THE LANDOWNER. UH, THE MAP IN FRONT OF YOU OUTLINES THE PROPERTY IN BLUE AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF ELEMENTS ON THIS MAP. UM, THE, THERE ARE CAPITAL METRO BUS STOPS AND EXISTING, UH, UH, ROUTES. ROUTES SHOWN IN THE BLACK AND WHITE IN THE BUS STOPS IN THE CIRCLES. UM, THE IMAGINE, UH, JOHNNY, JOHNNY, SORRY, NOT JOHNNY MORRIS. UM, LOYOLA IS AN IMAGINE AUSTIN ACTIVITY CORRIDOR AND THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN AN IMAGINE AUSTIN ACTIVITY CENTER. ALSO NOTE, UM, THE, THE PINK LINE TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY IS THE WALNUT CREEK, UM, GREEN BELT OR, UH, URBAN TRAIL. SO THIS IS JUST TO TRY TO ORIENT YOU TO THE PROPERTY AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT. THERE'S QUITE A BIT IN TERMS OF EXISTING SERVICES THAT, UM, MAKE THIS PROPERTY IN THIS LOCATION A, A GOOD OPTION FOR BRINGING SOME MORE UNITS AND OTHER, UM, THINGS TO THE AREA. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THE ZONING MAP OF THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPERTY, UH, TODAY HAS G-R-M-U-C-O ZONING. WE WERE HERE REZONING THIS PROPERTY A FEW YEARS AGO. UH, WE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THAT TIME. UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY DESIRES TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMERCIAL USES IN THE AREA. AND THERE'S ALSO QUITE A BIT OF SF TWO, UM, KIND OF TO THE EAST AND NORTH AND THERE'S OTHER CORNERS, UM, THAT ALSO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL ZONING MAKING THIS PROPERTY, UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S UH, EXISTING TODAY. NEXT SLIDE. AS, UH, JONATHAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS, UH, THE PROPERTY AND A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW WITH A SITE PLAN TRACT ONE, WHICH IS 9.6 ACRES. UH, WE ARE ASKING FOR CS MUCO ZONING WITH THE INTENT OF BRINGING A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO SPRINGDALE GENERAL. UM, AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME FLEX FLEX SPACE FOR COMMERCIAL, UM, RETAIL ALSO, UH, SPACE FOR CREATE CREATIVE ARTIST, UM, WAREHOUSE TYPE SCENARIOS. UM, SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THAT SITE PLAN IS RIGHT NOW THERE'S IN THAT PHASE THAT THE SITE PLAN FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS A CONNECTION THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE TO THE WALNUT CREEK URBAN TRAIL. AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT, HOW THAT, UH, CONNECTION WILL BE MADE ACROSS TRACK TWO JUST YET. BUT, UH, IT IS BEING PROPOSED ON TRACK ONE AS YOU SEE THERE. UM, TRACK TWO, WE ARE ASKING FOR, UH, GRCO DB 90, AND AS JONATHAN MENTIONED, WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT WAIVER TO THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. UM, THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THIS WILL BE MET THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, TRACT ONE. SO, UM, THE BACK HALF WILL BE, UH, FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL USES PRIMARILY, AND WE'LL BE SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PIECE ON THE FRONT HALF AND THE GREEN BELT, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE FEEL LIKE IT ACTUALLY BRINGS A REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT'S GOING TO BRING A LOT OF WORK, PLAY, UM, TYPE OF ATMOSPHERE TO THE AREA. SO WE'RE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IN FAVOR, RON. THROWER. RON, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. THANK YOU. MOVE TO SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. IT IS UNANIMOUS. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I ASSUME SOMEBODY HAS QUESTIONS. , UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. I JUST, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE, UM, GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL WAIVER AND WHERE THAT APPLIED. SO I, I APPRECIATE MS. HUSSEY'S PRESENTATIONS. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT'S, SO YOU'RE ONLY SEEKING THE WAIVER ON TRACK TWO, WHICH FACES THE, THE TRAIL. [00:10:04] JUST WANNA CONFIRM, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING. SO, UH, JONATHAN TOMKO AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU. THERE IS NOT A GROUND FLOOR REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR THE OTHER TRACK JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEKING DB 90 ON THE, THE ONE TRACK. SO THE WAIVER WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE DB 90 TRACT. OKAY. AND THAT, BUT JUST SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE USES ARE ON THAT TRACK? SO AS THE APPLICANT STATED, IT'S MORE OF A MULTIFAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THAT BACK DB 90 HALF. UM, AND THEN THEY'RE SEEKING THAT WAIVER. THERE WOULD NOT BE A STREET LEVEL, UH, COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENT ON THAT TRACT. AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S, UH, THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE IN SUPPORTING THAT WAIVER? UM, SO SINCE THAT PARCEL DOES NOT FRONT A A MAJOR CORRIDOR, IT'S KIND OF TUCKED THERE IN THE BACK, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, STREET LEVEL, UH, RETAIL AS IT WAS ENVISIONED AS A PART OF DB 90. UM, IF IT WAS FRONTING JOHNNY MORRIS, UH, ROAD, THAT WOULD MAYBE BE A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT, UM, IT'S BEHIND THAT OTHER TRACK. IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO, TO LEASE A GROUND FLOOR, UH, RETAIL COMPONENT BACK THERE. MM-HMM . UM, AND THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, UH, RETAIL AND PROPOSED, UM, COMMERCIAL USES ON THAT FRONT PARCEL AS THE APPLICANT HAD INDICATED, WHICH ARE FRONTING JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD. OKAY. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I I, I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I I WOULD NOTE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO THAT TRAIL. UM, IT WOULD BE REALLY NEAT IN AUSTIN IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DO SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL USE ALONG A TRAIL AND ACTIVATE THOSE KIND OF USES WITH THINGS THAT MAYBE PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLES MIGHT NEED. UM, RIGHT. BUT THIS MAYBE IS NOT, UH, AN AREA WHERE THAT WOULD LEND ITSELF TO THAT. BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE WAS OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROJECTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY COOL. . I AGREE, THAT WOULD BE COOL. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE THIS, THIS BODY HAS, UH, REALLY BEEN PUSHING FOR, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THE SF TWO PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET WOULD ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL AND, AND THIS WOULDN'T. SO IT, IT SEEMS A LITTLE, UM, INCONSISTENT TO ME. AND, UM, SO JUST, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO HIGHLIGHT AND, AND JUST I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOTE THAT WE'RE SEEING BLOCK AFTER BLOCK OF THE CITY BEING BUILT OUT, UM, WITH THESE SORT OF, UH, DEAD ZONES ON THE BOTTOM OF THESE DENSE PROJECTS. SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE PLACEMENT HERE AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE RETAIL WILL BE ON THE FRONT SIDE AND, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT NOW. THANKS. MAY I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. DOES THE, YOU'RE SEEKING A WAIVER TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DO FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING I WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO WE'RE, UH, DB 90 REQUIRES THAT THAT GROUND FLOOR SPACE HAVE A COMMERCIAL, UH, COMPONENT. AND WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT THAT NOT BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE BACK HALF, BUT SHOULD THE MARKET, SHOULD THE DESIRE AND UM, THINGS CHANGE TO MAKE SENSE RIGHT. TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL GROUND FLOOR? IT, IT IS A POSSIBILITY STILL. IT'S JUST NOT A REQUIREMENT. OKAY. AND I, I THINK RON WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY. SURE. RON THROWER REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING JONATHAN HAD MENTIONED ABOUT HOW GREAT IT WOULD BE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL DOWN THERE AT THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. AND WE DID ACTUALLY EXPLORE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS GET IN THE WAY BECAUSE THERE'S A WETLAND DOWN THERE, THERE'S FLOODPLAIN, THERE'S CRITICAL ZONE, THERE'S CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE SETBACK THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING TO MO TO MITIGATE FOR A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL SETBACK REDUCTION AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. SO BY THE TIME, UH, YOU GET TO THE BUILDING POINT FROM THE TRAIL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET AWAY. SO IT'S VERY, IT WOULD BE VERY DISCONNECTED AT THAT POINT, BUT WE ACTUALLY DID LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OH, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DID. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YES. UM, SO FOR TRACT ONE, YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO BUILD A WAREHOUSE, CORRECT? FOR TRACT ONE? IT'S GONNA BE A SERIES OF BUILDINGS. UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH SPRINGDALE GENERAL? NOT ENOUGH, NOT ENOUGH TO SAY I AM. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE WAREHOUSE STYLE BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE MORE CREATIVE IN THE SENSE THAT THEY ACTUALLY, AESTHETICALLY THEY'RE QUITE NICE AND THEY OFFER OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, TENANTS. UM, MOST SPECIFICALLY, UM, LIKE ARTISTS SPACE FOR THEM TO DO THEIR CREATIONS, BUT ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR LIKE A GALLERY WHERE THEY CAN SELL THEIR, THEIR ARTWORK. UM, SO IT'S JUST, IT'S A, THERE I THINK THE TERM THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING IS FLEX SPACE. OKAY. UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PLANS TO LIKE, LIKE STORE UH, MATERIAL AND STUFF BACK THERE? NO. AND [00:15:01] AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT IS APPLIED TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING, WE'RE AGREEABLE TO PROHIBITS A LOT OF THOSE TYPES OF USES. SURE. THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS. THAT WAS MY OWN CONCERN. I I, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO, FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE TO HAVE TRUCKS AND STUFF COMING OUTTA THE WAREHOUSE. YEAH. BUT IT'S NOT THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. ABSOLUTELY. AND I'LL, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT, UM, IN THE REZONING PROCESS, UM, FOR THESE PROPERTIES A FEW YEARS AGO, THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE BRINGING A COMMERCIAL STYLE DEVELOPMENT HERE BECAUSE THEY REALLY WANT THINGS THAT THEY CAN WALK TO RESTAURANTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. UM, I'VE BEEN TO SPRINGDALE GENERAL AND I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT. BUT THERE'S ONE THING THAT DOES, UH, KIND OF CONCERN ME ABOUT THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS IS THAT A LOT OF THESE COMMERCIAL, UH, UH, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS ARE GOING TO BE VERY HIDDEN AWAY. THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE AT ALL. THEY'RE NOT STREET FACING IN ANY WAY. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, THAT THIS DESIGN CAN FAVOR, UH, STREET FACING, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN HIDING THEM ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK? OR IS THAT AN INTENDED FEATURE OF, OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN INTENDED FEATURE, IT'S JUST A A WE'RE DEALING WITH OBVIOUSLY, UM, A LOTS OF REGULATIONS. THERE'S TWO PUBLIC STREETS THAT ARE ACROSS THIS PROPERTY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE BRINGING IN OUR TWO DRIVEWAYS, UH, SOUTH OF THE SOUTHERN DRIVEWAYS, ALL FLOODPLAIN AND PONDS AND CF SETBACKS AND, AND ALL OF THAT. AND THERE'S VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE THAT REMAINS TO HAVE STREET FACING JOHNNY MORRIS FACING, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN IS, IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE PROJECT SO THAT THEY CAN EXPERIENCE THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT. IN FACT, IF YOU, IF THEY CAN PULL UP THE SITE PLAN AGAIN, I THINK IT'S THE THIRD PAGE. 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HERE THAN WHAT I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD WANT TO DO HERE. BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS WITH THE OPPOSING STREETS ON THE EAST SIDE OF JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD, THE NORTH DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE MAIN ENTRY INTO THE DB 90 PROPERTY. SO WE'RE BRINGING THE ENTIRETY OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT INTO THE SITE TO THEN TURN NORTH TO GO TO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING TRAFFIC INTO THIS PROPERTY SO THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF EYES ON A LOT OF THE, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE HERE. OKAY. SO I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE, THERE IS THE, THE LAYOUT OF THAT PARKING DOES NOT APPEAR TO ME LIKE IT'S INVITING FOR PEOPLE TO JUST KIND OF WALK AROUND. IT'S STILL VERY, IT'S STILL VERY CAR CENTRIC. AND I KNOW, I, I KNOW I, I THINK I'M GETTING, UH, A LITTLE BIT INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT HOW YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LAYING THIS OUT, UH, MAYBE BEYOND WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HERE. BUT IT DOES, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I, I DO FIND A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING ABOUT THAT SPRINGDALE GENERAL LOCATION WHERE EVEN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO WALK AROUND, IT'S STILL A VERY CAR-CENTRIC DESIGN. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU CAN KIND OF LAY THAT OUT WHERE IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE INVITING FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND RATHER THAN BEING JUST A GIANT PARKING LOT WITH BUILDINGS IN BETWEEN. AND WE'RE A PART OF THIS DESIGN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE WIDER SIDEWALKS WHERE THERE ARE SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF SIDEWALKS, UM, GOING IN AND AROUND THIS PROPERTY. SO WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, TRYING TO KEEP THE PEDESTRIAN SAFE AND TRYING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S A MORE INVITING EXPERIENCE THAN JUST A STRAIGHT PARKING LOT. UH, WE GOTTA HAVE A LEVEL OF PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. WE LOOKED AT MANY, MANY LAYOUTS FOR THIS PROPERTY AND, AND WE JUST FELT LIKE THIS WAS THE BEST ONE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUTTING IN THE SHARED USE PATH. AGAIN, TRYING TO INVITE PEOPLE INTO THE PROPERTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THAT'LL, THAT SHARED USE PATH, EVENTUALLY CONNECTING DOWN TO THE WALNUT CREEK TRAIL AS WELL. OPENING UP THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACCESS TO THE TRAIL THAT THEY'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS INVITING AS POSSIBLE AND YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CAR CENTRIC WORLD. NOW IT'D BE MY HOPE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CARS ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. AND THIS IS JUST ZONING. WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE SITE PLAN TONIGHT. THAT'S, WE'RE JUST APPROVING. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND AT LEAST TWO SECONDS. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. IT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. UM, GOING ON TO [WORKING GROUP/COMMITTEE UPDATES] WORKING GROUP COMMITTEE UPDATES, CODES AND ORDINANCES, [00:20:01] JOINT COMMITTEE ITEM SIX. WE HAD A MEETING IN, OOPS, WE HAD A MEETING IN DECEMBER, I BELIEVE. UM, LET ME GO BACK TO THE ITEMS. I BLANKED ON IT. AND THEN THE JANUARY MEETING IS CANCELED AND WE'LL HAVE A FEW ITEMS ON FEBRUARY BUT HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THE AGENDA YET. AND AT THE DECEMBER 18TH MEETING, UM, THEY, WE APPROVED BOTH, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF ZAP AND THEY'RE GONNA HEAD TO PLANNING. GOOD. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THERE WAS AN ANOTHER ITEM, UM, THAT I BELIEVE WAS APPROVED, BUT I'LL GET BACK TO IT IN A BIT. CONFERENCE DAY PLAN, JOINT COMMITTEE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A MEETING. I THINK THE JANUARY MEETING WAS CANCELED, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT, YES. OKAY. UM, AND SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE. OUR NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 5TH. OKAY. JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE COUNCIL MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER AT REORGANIZING SOME OF THESE COMMITTEES. A LOT OF THESE WORK GROUPS WILL GO AWAY. UM, IF ALL THAT GOES THROUGH. SO JUST FYI, UM, NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED OR VOTED ON YET, BUT IT IS RECOMMENDED WITH THE REORGANIZATION, THE NECESSITY OF SOME OF THESE COMMITTEES WILL GO AWAY OR GO TO A DIFFERENT GROUP. SO JUST FYI. WE DO [Additional Item] HAVE AN ITEM NINE ON THE ADJUSTED ADD AGENDA, A DISCUSSION IN ACTION TO APPROVE UPCOMING SPECIAL CALL MEETING DATES. AND I'VE GOT THAT THE MEETING DATES SOMEWHERE. HANG ON. THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS THAT OUR FEBRUARY MEETING ON FEBRUARY, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 4TH, THE, WE CAN ONLY HAVE A MEETING AT THE PDC OUT NORTH AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE 5 45. SO IT WOULD BE A CONSENT ONLY AGENDA. UH, AND WE'D HAVE TO START AT 4, 4 30 AND BE DONE BY 5 45. UM, WE LOOKED AT DOING IT ON MONDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD, BUT THE PDC IS AVAILABLE. WE HAVE A TENTATIVE HOLD, BUT CITY HALL, THIS BUILDING IS NOT AVAILABLE ON MONDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD. IF YOU LOOK AT WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 5TH, THE PDC IS NOT AVAILABLE AND CITY HALL IS NOT AVAILABLE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 6TH, THE PDC, WE MUST BE DONE. CAN'T START UNTIL AFTER FIVE 30, BUT CITY HALL HERE IS AVAILABLE. SO WE COULD DO A MEETING IN HERE ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 6TH. THERE WE GO. SO THAT IS THE DATES. BUT BASICALLY IF WE WANTED TO STICK WITH FEBRUARY 4TH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THE PDC AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN EARLY MEETING AND BE A CONSENT ONLY. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION AND BE DONE BY 4 5 45. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PREFERENCES OF WHAT WE DO WITH THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING IN FEBRUARY? IF FEBRUARY THURSDAY, WOULD WE KEEP IT AT SIX? PERHAPS THURSDAY WOULD BE SIX O'CLOCK IN HERE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LEANING, BUT I'M NOT CARRYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SAME. SAME. YEAH, I AGREE. SO KIND OF DIRECTION. YOU NEED A MOTION? OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE. APPROVE. 6:00 PM THURSDAY. 6:00 PM ON THURSDAY THE SIXTH. THURSDAY THE SIXTH. YES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL AYE. ALL RIGHT. AND THE CODES AND ORDINANCES. IT WAS JUST THOSE TWO ITEMS. I GOT CONFUSED. OKAY. , ANY FEATURE [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] AGENDA ITEMS? CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON THE, UM, UH, COMMISSION RULES, PROCESS REVISION, REVISION PROCESS, WHERE THAT STANDS FROM? STAFF? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE RED LINE VERSION FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT YET, BUT ONCE WE DO, IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR Y'ALL'S REVIEW. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL STAND ADJOURNED. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS. BYE. SO MUCH TO DO. TURN OFF THE TV BECAUSE MY MOM'S, THROUGH MANY PEOPLE TALKING, THE EVER SIGN IS SO CONFUSED. WE'RE BETTER WITH WRONG AND RIGHT INSTEAD OF SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH, IT'S NOT DECIDE. TAKE THE LEARN ME THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.