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          I'M GONNA START OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL VICE CHAIR MINORS. 
          OOPS, HERE. 
          SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER AULA 
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HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARROLL. 
          PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER GALLES. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER HOWARD. 
          COMMISSIONER CONN. 
          COMMISSIONER LADNER. 
          COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MEKI AND COMMISSIONER TRO HERE. 
          SIX. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? ALL RIGHT. 
          AND 
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THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, WOULD YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, MINUTES FROM THE DESIGN COMMISSION MEETING ON MAY 19TH. 
          CHAIR? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. 
          ALRIGHT, SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 19TH. 
          RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          ALRIGHT, UNANIMOUS. 
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          [2. Presentation and discussion regarding Staff’s response to Resolution 20241121-073 on  Bird Friendly Design. Presented by Leslie Lilly, Watershed Protection Department.]
RIGHT. 
          OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM IS A PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING STAFF'S RESPONSE TO RESOLUTION 24 20 24 11 21 DASH SEVEN THREE ON BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN PRESENTED BY LESLIE LILY OF THE WATERSHED PROTECTION. 
          THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LESLIE LILLY. 
          I'M ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION PROGRAM MANAGER WITH WATERSHED PROTECTION AND I LEAD THE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY TEAM FOR WATERSHED. 
          UH, THIS EVENING WE'RE GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN AS IT RELATES TO A RESOLUTION THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED IN NOVEMBER. 
          UM, WE ARE WORKING ON, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, THAT WE WILL BRING FORWARD, UH, TO COMMISSIONS AND TO COUNCIL LATER THIS FALL. 
          AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU A BRIEFING ON THIS EFFORT THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH. 
          UH, THIS EFFORT IS ACROSS DEPARTMENTAL, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING. 
          SINCE SO MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE TOUCHED BY THE CONCEPTS OF BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN. 
          SO WATERSHED PROTECTION IS TAKING THE LEAD ON RESPONDING TO THIS RESOLUTION. 
          AUSTIN ENERGY, WHO HOUSES OUR AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THEN ALSO THE BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          SO I AM JOINED WITH ME, UH, MY BIRD ENTHUSIAST, SUPERSTAR ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATE, INTERNS WHO ARE JOINING US THIS SUMMER TO PARTICIPATE IN DEVELOPING THE RESPONSE TO THIS RESOLUTION. 
          AND I WILL GIVE THE FLOOR TO THEM. 
          HI Y'ALL. 
          MY NAME'S LILY IC. 
          I GO TO THE AM AMATEUR SCHOOL FOR YOUNG WOMEN LEADERS AND I'M INTERESTED IN BIRD SCIENCE AND POLICY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS RICHARD GRANADO. 
          UH, I GO TO TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY AND I'VE BEEN REALLY EXCITED TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE SUMMER. 
          I, SO TODAY WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER THE PROBLEM, UH, WHICH IS BIRD COLLISIONS, UH, WITH BUILDINGS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF AUSTIN'S RESPONSE, UH, THE SOLUTION TO BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN, UH, SOME OBJECTIVES AND DELIVERABLES. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT, UH, CASE STUDIES AND SUCCESSES FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND AS WELL AS QUESTIONS AT THE END. 
          THE PROBLEM DRIVING BIRD COLLISIONS IS THE FACT THAT BIRDS CANNOT SEE GLASS. 
          INSTEAD, THEY SEE THE REFLECTIONS ON GLASS OR THE SPACES BEHIND IT. 
          THIS IS A RESULT OF THE BIOLOGY OF BIRD EYES. 
          THEIR EYES ARE ON THE SIDES OF THEIR HEAD, AND THEY HAVE A WIDER FIELD OF VIEW, BUT LOWER DEPTH PERCEPTION. 
          ADDITIONALLY, BIRDS CAN BE ATTRACTED TO ARTIFICIAL LIGHT FROM WITHIN OR AROUND BUILDINGS AT NIGHT. 
          THIS OCCURS BECAUSE IT TAPS INTO THEIR NATURAL INSTINCTS FOR NAVIGATING BY THE STARS AND THE MOON. 
          WHEN BIRDS FLY TOWARDS WHAT THEY CAN VIEW WITHOUT SEEING THE GLASS IN THE AREA, THE RESULT IS A DEADLY COLLISION. 
          BIRD COLLISIONS ARE RELEVANT TO AUSTIN BECAUSE WE'RE A CITY OF MORE THAN 1 MILLION PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF BUILDINGS AND LOTS OF GLASS, AND WE'RE LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CENTRAL FLYWAY. 
          SEE IF I CAN GET THIS WORK. 
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NOPE. 
          LET'S TRY THAT AGAIN. 
          IS THERE A WAY I CAN MAKE THAT VIDEO PLAY? MM. 
          OKAY. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          THIS MAP IS A NORMALLY LIVE MAP OF RADAR DATA SHOWING BIRDS MIGRATING ON APRIL 30TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          IF IT PLAYED, YOU WOULD SEE THOSE COLORS MOVING ACROSS THE CONTINENT. 
          UH OH. 
          AND THEY, WHAT THEY WOULD ILLUSTRATE IS THAT BIRDS FROM ACROSS NORTH AMERICA CHANNEL THROUGH TEXAS, BECAUSE THE FLYWAY IS A PATHWAY THAT BIRDS FOLLOW WHEN THEY MIGRATE DURING THE SPRING AND THE FALL, AND A LOT OF BIRDS DO IT. 
          ONE TO 2 BILLION BIRDS ARE ESTIMATED TO MIGRATE THROUGH TEXAS EACH YEAR, AND WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THEM. 
          SO OUR ACTIONS ARE PARTICULARLY IMPACTFUL TO THE BIRDS OF NORTH AMERICA. 
          HOWEVER, THE ISSUE OF BIRD COLLISIONS GOES WAY BEYOND AUSTIN. 
          IT'S A CONTINENT WIDE PROBLEM. 
          AN ESTIMATED 1 BILLION BIRDS DIE EVERY YEAR IN NORTH AMERICA AS A RESULT OF COLLISIONS. 
          THIS MEANS THAT WE'RE LOSING A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF BOTH THE POPULATION AND THE ECOLOGICAL SERVICES THEY PROVIDE. 
          TO COMPARE THE TWO FACTORS OF BIRD COLLISIONS, WE HAVE A VENN DIAGRAM AS IT SHOWS GLASS PROPERTIES LIKE TRANSPARENCY AND REFLECTIVITY AFFECT BIRDS, MOSTLY IN DAYTIME, ANY BIRD IN AN AREA CAN BE AFFECTED, WHETHER LOCAL OR MIGRATORY, AND IT MOTIVATES A COLLISION BECAUSE BIRDS CAN SEE REFLECTED HABITAT OR SPACE THEY WANT TO FLY TO, AND THAT'S WHY THEY WOULD MOVE TOWARDS IT. 
          IN CONTRAST, ARTIFICIAL LIGHT AFFECTS BIRDS AT NIGHT, AND MOSTLY MIGRATORY BIRDS ARE IMPACTED BECAUSE MIGRATION HAPPENS PREDOMINANTLY AT NIGHT. 
          ARTIFICIAL LIGHT HAS THE EFFECT OF DISORIENTING AND EXHAUSTING BIRDS. 
          THIS CAN KILL A BIRD OUTRIGHT FROM LACK OF ENERGY, OR IT PUTS THEM AT A GREATER RISK OF DAYTIME COLLISIONS. 
          AGAIN, ARTIFICIAL LIGHT MOTIVATES COLLISIONS BECAUSE OF HOW IT CAN CONFUSES BIRDS' NAVIGATION. 
          BOTH OF THESE FACTORS WHEN COMBINED WITH BIRDS' INABILITY TO SEE GLASS RESULT IN COLLISIONS AND TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE NUMBERS, DAYTIME COLLISIONS MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF COLLISIONS. 
          HOWEVER, ARTIFICIAL LIGHT CONTRIBUTES TO INCREASING THE NUMBER OF DAYTIME COLLISIONS THAT OCCUR EVEN THOUGH ARTIFICIAL LIGHT IS HAPPENING DURING NIGHTTIME. 
          ANOTHER CLARIFICATION. 
          FROM A DESIGN AND CODE STANDPOINT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT BIRDS INTERACT WITH WINDOWS OF ALL SHAPES AND SIZES. 
          SO EVEN THOSE THAT ARE NOT NEAR A NATURAL AREA OR THAT AREN'T VERY BIG CAN STILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON BIRDS. 
          SO, SO FAR, WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE, UH, WE ADOPTED THE LIGHTS OUT TEXAS INITIATIVE IN 2020. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE WAS A RESOLUTION FOLLOWING THAT THAT REQUIRES ALL CITY OF AUSTIN BUILDINGS TO IMPLEMENT LIGHTS OUT PRACTICES DURING PEAK MIGRATION. 
          UH, AUSTIN WAS ALSO DESIGNATED AS A BIRD CITY BY THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT IN 2023, UH, DUE TO HOW MUCH MIGRATION GOES ON IN AUSTIN. 
          UH, AND THEN WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER OF 24, WHERE WE, UH, ARE EXPLORING WAYS TO INTEGRATE BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN PRACTICES INTO, UH, POLICY, UH, AND SPECIFIC MEASURES THAT WE CAN ADOPT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTIONS. 
          WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF BIRD COLLISIONS BY ADAPTING THE GLASS AND LIGHTING OF BUILDINGS. 
          BIRD FRIENDLY LIGHTING IS LIGHTING THAT IS REDUCED AND REDIRECTED. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THIS CAN INCLUDE LIGHTS THAT ARE ON TIMERS, LIGHTS THAT ARE MOTION ACTIVATED, OR LIGHTS THAT ARE REDIRECTED DOWNWARD. 
          A WALL SCONCE THAT IS POINTING UPWARD AT THE SKY MIGHT NEGATIVELY IMPACT OR EVEN BE FATAL TO CERTAIN BIRDS MIGRATING. 
          BUT THE SAME WALL SCONCE THAT IS DIRECTED DOWNWARD COULD BE TOTALLY INNOCUOUS. 
          BIRD FRIENDLY GLASS IS GLASS THAT IS MARKED OR PATTERNED IN A WAY THAT TELLS BIRD THAT THAT SPACE IS FILLED, IT'S VISIBLE TO THEM, AND THEY SEE NO SPACE THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO FLY THROUGH. 
          OVER THE TO THE SIDE HERE, WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF BIRD FRIENDLY GLASS. 
          FIRSTLY, THERE'S FRITTED GLASS. 
          THIS IS A TYPE OF GLASS MADE WITH PIECES OF PORCELAIN EMBEDDED ON THE SURFACE. 
          IT HAS THE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF BEING ENERGY EFFICIENT. 
          NEXT, THERE'S ULTRAVIT TREATED GLASS. 
          THIS IS GLASS THAT HAS LAYERS OF CHEMICAL PATTERNS THAT REFLECT ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT, WHICH BIRDS CAN SEE, BUT WHICH IS PRACTICALLY INVISIBLE TO US. 
          WHILE IT IS VERY UNOBTRUSIVE AND CONVENIENT, IT HAS LIMITED APPLICABILITY BECAUSE 
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NOT ALL BIRDS CAN SEE ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT. 
          FINALLY, THERE'S ETCHED GLASS, WHICH USES ACID TO CARVE PATTERNS THAT, AGAIN, MAKE THE SURFACE VISIBLE TO BIRDS. 
          WHAT ALL OF THESE HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT TO BE EFFECTIVE, THE MARKINGS MUST BE CONTRASTING TO THE SURFACE SO THAT THEY'RE VISIBLE AT ALL TIMES A DAY IN REFLECTIVITY LEVELS. 
          AND THE MARKINGS ARE AT MAXIMUM TWO BY TWO INCHES APART THAT TERS, EVEN THE SMALLEST BIRDS. 
          SO HERE WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN AND PRACTICE. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, NON GLASS FACADES, COVERS AND BLINDS. 
          UH, WE CAN SEE ONE OF THE GREAT EXAMPLES RIGHT HERE IS THE AUSTIN CENTRAL LIBRARY, WHICH, UH, THAT WALL PICTURED IN THE TOP RIGHT IS ENTIRELY A BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN. 
          IT IS A NON GLASS FACADE. 
          UH, OTHER THINGS THAT FUNCTION AS BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN FOR WINDOWS, UH, INSECT SCREENS, THINGS THAT YOU CAN, THOSE ARE AFFORDABLE. 
          WE CAN USE THEM IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          UH, YOU ALSO USE LENGTHS OF CORD. 
          THAT'S THE, THE MIDDLE PHOTO AT THE TOP, UH, WHERE CORD IS JUST STRUNG FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. 
          IT JUST SO BIRDS CAN SEE IT. 
          UH, WINDOW DECALS, WINDOW FILM, SOLAR SHADES, TAPE STICK ON DOTS, ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS A BIRD TO PERCEIVE THE WINDOW IN FRONT OF IT AS BEING THERE. 
          UH, ANOTHER ANOTHER THING TO, UH, KEEP IN MIND WITH BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN IS WE WANT TO AVOID INDENTATIONS AND FLY THROUGH CHANNELS ON BUILDINGS. 
          AND THAT'S JUST WHERE, UH, A BIRD CAN SEE CLEAR GLASS ON EITHER SIDE OF A LINE OF SIGHT TO WHERE THEY THINK THAT THE SPACE, THEY SEE THE SPACE, UH, BETWEEN AND THEY WANT TO GO TOWARDS IT, UH, WHICH LEADS TO A DEADLY COLLISION. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE GLASS TREATMENTS, UH, ETCHED EXTRA FRITTED GLASS. 
          UH, WE SEE THE, THE GOOGLE TOWER HERE IN AUSTIN, UH, THE BIG SAIL SHAPE BUILDING. 
          WHEN WE ZOOM IN ON THAT GLASS, UH, THERE IS, UH, A LINE PATTERN DRAWN IN IT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, IT IS BIRD FRIENDLY. 
          UH, BIRDS WILL SEE THAT GLASS AND PERCEIVE THAT IT'S THERE. 
          OTHER, UH, OPTIONS ARE PHOTO, UH, PHOTOVOLTAICS, UH, INTER LAYER DESIGNS WHERE YOU PUT DESIGNS BETWEEN THE PANELS OF GLASS, UH, PAINTED OR PRINTED GLASS TINTS TREATMENT TREATMENTS, AS WELL AS STAINED GLASS. 
          UH, AND ANOTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS IT'S NOT JUST WINDOWS THAT, UH, CAN BE DEADLY BIRD COLLISION, UH, OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO SKYWALKS RAILINGS, BALCONIES, BUILDING CONNECTORS. 
          ANYTHING THAT COULD HAVE GLASS ON IT THAT A BIRD WOULDN'T SEE AND CAN FLY INTO, UH, SHOULD ALL BE ACCOUNTED FOR. 
          UH, WITH BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN. 
          THE GLASS AND LIGHTING OF BIRD FRIENDLY BUILDINGS BENEFIT MORE THAN JUST THE BIRDS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THEY SUPPORT HUMAN HEALTH. 
          THE GLASS OF BIRD FRIENDLY BUILDINGS HELPS PSYCHOLOGICAL HEALTH BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE DISTRESS AND TRAUMA OF HAVING TO PICK UP DEAD BIRDS. 
          I KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND FROM TALKING TO OTHERS THAT THAT CAN BE VERY DISTRESSING. 
          THE LIGHTING OF BIRD FRIENDLY BUILDINGS ALSO BENEFITS HUMANS BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS HEALTHY CIRCADIAN RHYTHMS AND SLEEP CYCLES. 
          BIRD FRIENDLY BUILDINGS, GLASS AND LIGHTING CREATES IMPROVED ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND COST SAVINGS BECAUSE AGAIN, FRITTED GLASS AND OTHER STRATEGIES MAKE BUILDING INSULATION MORE EFFICIENT. 
          AND REDUCING THE ARTIFICIAL LIGHT AT NIGHT CAN HAVE LARGE SAVINGS ON ENERGY BILLS. 
          BIRD FRIENDLY GLASS AND LIGHTING ALSO PROVIDES MEDIUMS FOR STYLISH DESIGNS AND ARTISTRY, MAKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ARCHITECTS AND DEVELOPERS TO CREATE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS. 
          AND FINALLY, THE BIRD FRIENDLY BUILDINGS DO, AGAIN, SUPPORT THE BIRD POPULATIONS, WHICH ARE A MAJOR SOURCE OF REVENUE THROUGH THE ECOTOURISM INDUSTRY, ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS WHERE WE HAVE SPECIAL BIRDS LIKE THE PAINTED BUNTING AND THE GOLDEN CHEEK D WARBLER IN THE END. 
          BIRD FRIENDLY BUILDINGS ALSO SUPPORT A HEALTHIER ENVIRONMENT WHERE CREATURES OF ALL KINDS BENEFIT, BUT ALSO WHERE WE CAN CULTIVATE A POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THE WORLD. 
          WE HABIT. 
          OH, UH, SO ONE OF THE, UH, CASE STUDIES THAT WE TOOK A LOOK AT, UH, WAS IN NEW YORK. 
          THEY PASSED, UH, ONE OF THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND ARGUABLY SUCCESSFUL MEASURES IN 2 20 19, UH, LOCAL LAW 15. 
          UH, IT MANDATED BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THIS MANDA UH, THIS BEING MANDATED RESULTED IN AN EXPLOSION IN THE MARKET, NEW OPTIONS AT LOWER COSTS FOR DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR BIRD FRIENDLY GLASS AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND LOOKING AT THIS, 
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WE THOUGHT THAT THERE COULD BE SOME SUCCESS IN PACKAGING BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND WITH EXISTING, UH, SUSTAINABLE BUILDING, BUILDING PRACTICES, UH, SUCH AS LEAD. 
          LEAD DOES HAVE A POINT FOR, UH, UH, BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN, AS WELL AS, UH, THE AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING POLICY. 
          UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A, THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO, UH, BUNDLE THESE TOGETHER, UH, DUE TO AUSTIN'S CULTURE OF SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSCIOUSNESS. 
          A CASE STUDY OF A SUCCESSFUL BIRD FRIENDLY BUILDING IS THE JAVIT CENTER. 
          THIS FAMOUS CONVENTION CENTER IN NEW YORK WAS ALSO WELL KNOWN BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS AN ALL GLASSS FACADE THAT KILLED 470 BIRDS IN FIVE YEARS. 
          HOWEVER, THAT LEGACY CHANGED WHEN THEY REMODELED IT IN 2008, THEY REPLACED THE EXISTING GLASS WITH FRI A GLASS AND ADDED A GREEN ROOF. 
          INTERESTINGLY, THEY DID NOT DO THIS TOT BIRDS. 
          THEY DID IT FOR ENERGY SAVINGS. 
          AND INDEED, AFTER THEY, AFTER THEY REMODELED THE BUILDING, THEY REPORTED AN INCREASED ENERGY SAVINGS OF 2020 6%. 
          HOWEVER, BIRD COLLISIONS ALSO DECREASED BY 90%. 
          SO IT WAS A VICTORY FOR THE BIRDS AS WELL AS FOR PEOPLE. 
          TODAY, THE GREEN ROOF HAS HOSTED MORE THAN 51 SPECIES AND SHELTERS NESTING HERRING GOALS. 
          SO WHAT WE AIM TO DO WITH THIS IS WE WANT TO PROVIDE SPECIFIC MEASURES THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, UH, INTO NEW CONSTRUCTION TO REDUCE BIRD COLLISIONS. 
          UH, WE'D LIKE TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS SO WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT COSTS AND TIMELINES WILL CHANGE FOR DEVELOPERS. 
          UH, AND WE ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR COMMUNITIES, UH, SO THAT WAY THEN THE PUBLIC IS EDUCATED ON WHAT THEY CAN DO TO, UH, HELP BIRDS AND ALSO MAYBE CUT DOWN ON THEIR ENERGY BILL AS WELL. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE IMPORTANCE OF BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN AFFECTS SO MANY DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF A CITY. 
          UH, IN NORTH AMERICA, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION, UH, AMERICANS IDENTIFY AS BIRDERS. 
          SO A LOT OF PEOPLE CARE ABOUT BIRDS. 
          ALSO, THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY AS OF THIS YEAR, WAS REPORTED TO GENERATE TWO, UH, $279 BILLION IN NORTH AMERICA. 
          A LOT OF THAT BEING GENERATED IN FLORIDA, IN TEXAS, AND IN CALIFORNIA, ALL OF WHICH ARE FLYWAYS THROUGH MY, FOR THAT MIGRATORY BIRDS FLY THROUGH. 
          SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED TIMELINE. 
          RIGHT NOW, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PHASE. 
          WE ARE DEVELOPING A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO GUIDELINES, CODE, OTHER, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN INTO AUSTIN AS A MORE, UH, ROBUST COMPONENT OF DESIGN. 
          IT IS AS, UH, LILY AND RICHARD MENTIONED, A COMPONENT OF AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING AND LEAD. 
          BUT WE REALLY WANNA BRING THAT FORWARD AND, AND HAVE IT BE USED MORE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW BUILDINGS IN AUSTIN. 
          SO WE WILL BE DEVELOPING THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH THE HELP OF THESE TWO OVER THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER, AND THEN COME BACK, UM, THROUGH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND REPORT TO COUNCIL IN THE FALL TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND WITH THAT, UM, WE HAVE IN OUR PRESENTATION SEVERAL DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS THAT, OOPS, WRONG WAY, UH, AND REFERENCES THAT PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN, HOW IT AFFECTS CITIES AND, AND THE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE WHEN IMPLEMENTING THESE KIND OF ELEMENTS IN DESIGN. 
          AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND WE WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND ALSO, UH, THAT'S MY EMAIL RIGHT THERE TO FOLLOW UP WITH ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          QUITE INFORMATIVE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER WIRA. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, UNBEKNOWNST TO Y'ALL, WE ARE, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, ATTEMPTING TO UPDATE, UH, THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE THE, UH, UM, PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. 
          UH, WE HEARD A PRESENTATION ON BIRD SAFETY LAST YEAR, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY CAUSED US TO WRITE INTO THE, INTO THAT DRAFT DOCUMENT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, THIS ISN'T, UM, THIS IS STILL AN INTERNAL DRAFT, BUT I CAN SAY THAT THE, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HEARD FROM THAT LAST PROPOSAL. 
          AND SINCE YOU'RE HERE, I'D LIKE TO RUN THESE BY YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UNDERSTANDING IT'S A DRAFT, BUT, UM, THE CONDITIONS WERE THAT ALL TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT OR THE, THE, UH, THE, THE GUIDELINE, EXCUSE ME. 
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UM, ALL GLASS WITHIN THE FIRST 75 FEET OF THE BUILDING IS MEASURED FROM FINISHED GRADE, MUST USE BIRD SAFE GLAZING. 
          UH, ALTERNATELY PROJECTS MAY IMPLEMENT STRUCTURAL SHADING OR SCREENING SYSTEMS WITH THE EQUIPMENT PERFORMANCE. 
          UH, WE HAD, UH, CONDITION BIRD SICK GLAZING MUST HAVE A THREAT FACTOR LESS THAN 30 AS CERTIFIED BY THE AMERICAN BIRD CONSERVANCY. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME. 
          SO THOSE ARE DEFINITELY ALL THINGS THAT OTHER SUCCESSFUL, UH, CITY ORDINANCES HAVE ADOPTED AS A PART OF THEIR REGULATIONS. 
          UM, THERE'S KIND OF A, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN BE APPLICABLE. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE IMPORTANT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR HIGH RISE BUILDINGS. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE MORE APPLICABLE FOR LOWER RISE BUILDINGS. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE THE ONES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY NEW YORK. 
          NEW YORK DOESN'T HAVE ANY SMALL, LIKE LOW-RISE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          ALL OF THEIR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS MOSTLY IN THIS RANGE. 
          UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THE 75 FOOT GLAZING REQUIREMENT THAT NEW YORK HAS, THEY ALSO HAVE SPECIAL RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND ANY KIND OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ON THE BUILDING. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A GREEN ROOF, THERE'S, EVEN IF IT'S ABOVE THAT 75 FOOT RANGE, THERE WOULD BE AN OFFSET OF BIRD FRIENDLY, UH, GLAZING AROUND THAT SINCE THAT'S GONNA ATTRACT BIRDS, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOVE MAYBE THE CANOPY LEVEL. 
          UH, AUSTIN BIRD, UH, AMERICAN BIRD CONSERVANCY DOES RECOMMEND, UH, A HIGHER LEVEL, BUT NEW YORK HAS ADOPTED 75 FEET FROM, UH, FROM THE GROUND. 
          SO THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO DRAFT, UM, SOME REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND THE AMERICAN BIRD CONSERVANCY HAS A GREAT RESOURCE OF ALL OF THE ORDINANCES IN WHICH THEY RATE, LIKE, THIS IS A VERY SUCCESSFUL ONE THAT DOES IMPACT, UH, HAS A POSITIVE IMPACT ON BIRDS. 
          AND THIS ONE IS MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THE LEGS TO REALLY HAVE ANY IMPACT ON, ON BIRDS. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL THE SORT OF THINGS THAT WE ARE GONNA BRING FORWARD IN A RECOMMENDATION, LIKE THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS. 
          IT'S GREAT TO HEAR IT, UH, IT'S VERY HEARTENING TO HEAR THAT, THAT THAT'S IN A DRAFT. 
          WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH, I, I DID NOT KNOW WHERE THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD, UH, PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND I SAY WE ALSO ARE INCLUDING A RECOMMENDATION THAT COMMERCIAL SPACES SHOULD, SHOULD INCLUDE OCCUPANCY SENSOR LIGHTING TO TURN INTERIOR LIGHTS OFF, WHEN THAT'S GREAT. 
          NOT IN USE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR BEING A, A SOUNDING BOARD FOR, FOR THOSE DRAFT COMMENTS. 
          SO LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE. 
          AND WE ARE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY, IN ANY KIND OF LIKE, REVIEW OR ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN AS YOU DEVELOP THOSE, UH, THOSE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW, UH, TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE ALSO COMING ONLINE AS MORE CITIES PARTICIPATE AND AS THE MARKET FOR MATERIALS, UH, BECOME MORE AVAILABLE, UM, BECAUSE MORE CITIES ARE REQUIRING IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND WE DO, UH, INTEND ON, UH, UM, OH, SUBMITTING THE DRAFT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT SOME POINT, UH, IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO PLEASE KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THAT 'CAUSE THAT'LL BE A VERY DIRECT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR TEAM TO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          GREAT. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          AND LILY, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT WHERE THE THREAT FACTOR COMES FROM? YOU HAD REFERENCED, UH, AMERICAN BIRD CONSERVANCY'S THREAT FACTOR RATING, THE, THAT NUMBER IS THE RESULT OF THEIR TUNNEL TESTING. 
          THEY WILL, WE'LL USE BIRD BANDING STATIONS AND THEY'LL TAKE A PORTION OF THE BIRDS THEY CATCH FOR BANDING. 
          THEY'LL PLACE THEM IN A TUNNEL WITH TWO PANES OF GLASS AT THE END. 
          ONE IS A NORMAL REFLECTIVE AND TRANSPARENT PANE OF GLASS, AND THE OTHER IS A COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED PRODUCT. 
          THEY WILL RECORD THE PERCENTAGE OF BIRDS OUT OF 100, WHO WILL FLY TOWARDS THE SPECIALLY PRODUCED PRODUCT INSTEAD OF THE CLEAR PAIN THAT THEY PERCEIVE AS OPEN, THERE'S A NET IN FRONT OF IT. 
          SO THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HIT THE GLASS AFTER EACH TRIAL, THE BIRD IS RELEASED. 
          THE THREAT FACTOR IN IS BASICALLY JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF BIRDS WHO WOULD MISTAKE A BIRD FRIENDLY PRODUCT AS A VIABLE FLIGHT ROUTE. 
          SO THEY CONSIDER 30 THREAT FACTOR RATING OR BELOW TO BE BIRD FRIENDLY BECAUSE IT MEANS OUT OF A HUNDRED BIRDS ONLY 30 WOULD MISTAKE THE SURFACE FOR A FLIGHT PATH. 
          AND THE 100, THE 75 FOOT NUMBER IS THE SAME NUMBER THAT THE NEW YORK CITY CODE SETS AS ITS STANDARD. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S AN APPROXIMATION FOR CANOPY LEVEL, AND THAT'S WHERE MOST COLLISIONS OCCUR AT CANOPY LEVEL, NEAR CANOPY LEVEL, OR BELOW CANOPY LEVEL. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON THE LOWER FLOORS. 
          COMMISSIONER CAROL. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          SO THE PRESENTATION HAS A LOT OF IMAGES OF LARGE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. 
          IS THE INTENT THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ONLY APPLIED TO THOSE BUILDING TYPES OR WOULD THEY ALSO APPLY TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? 
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SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS OF WINDOWS. 
          AND ON A LARGE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THERE ISN'T INSECT SCREENS, UM, INSECT SCREENS ON THEIR OWN PROVIDE BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN. 
          AND SO THEY CAN BE A COST NEUTRAL OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS REQUIRED. 
          THERE IS, RIGHT NOW ONLY ONE EXAMPLE OF A CITY THAT HAS REQUIRED BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN IN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT CAN BE VERY COMPLICATED TO REQUIRE THAT. 
          AND THERE, YOU KNOW, CAN BE SOME, UM, RESISTANCE FROM DOING THAT ON SUCH A LARGE SCALE FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          ANY PERCEIVED IN, UH, INCREASED COSTS? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO PROMOTE INCREASED COSTS FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE COST NEUTRAL OPPORTUNITIES LIKE INSECT SCREENS THAT CAN GO ON THE EXTERIOR OF WINDOWS THAT CAN MAKE IT BIRD FRIENDLY. 
          THE ONES THAT WE'VE SHOWN KIND OF DEMONSTRATE KIND OF THE FULL SCOPE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED IN WHAT IS VERY VISUALLY, UM, CLEAR. 
          LIKE THE BIRD, YOU KNOW, MAKES THE BIGGEST IMPACT TO SHOW LIKE THIS IS A BIRD'S NOT GONNA RUN INTO THIS VERY LARGE STRUCTURE. 
          AND THAT, UM, THAT KIND OF GIVES, GIVES A BIG DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT THE ELEMENT IS DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, QUESTION ON THE STAKEHOLDER. 
          YOU SAID YOU ALREADY STARTED YOUR STAKEHOLDER ANALYSIS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHO YOUR STAKEHOLDERS ARE OR POTENTIAL STAKEHOLDERS ARE. 
          THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE. 
          QUESTION NUMBER TWO IS THE THREAT FACTOR. 
          AND ALL I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE LAB CONDUCTED. 
          SO DO WE HAVE ANY HARD DATA FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, ON THE BIRD COLLISIONS? OR IF NOT, CAN WE HAVE DURING THE MIGRATION TIME SOME WAY OF COLLECTING SOME DATA LIKE THAT IN A, IN A, IN A HIGH INTENSITY AREA WHERE WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN AREA? SURE. 
          UM, BOTH REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS. 
          OUR STAKEHOLDER AFFINITY GROUPS INCLUDE A LOT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS, UM, BIRDING ORGAN ORGANIZATIONS, TRAVIS AUDUBON, SIERRA CLUB, CAPITAL AREA MASTER NATURALISTS, ANY OF THE, UH, GROUPS THAT ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN ENGAGING IN THIS TOPIC AND ARE BIG ADVOCATES FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ENGAGING, UH, REAL ESTATE ORGANIZATIONS, RICA DEVELOPERS, ENDEAVOR. 
          UM, HAD A REPRESENTATION ON THE ORIGINAL BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN WORKING GROUP. 
          UM, AND THEN THE ARCHITECT AND DESIGN COMMUNITY IN AUGUST, WE ARE HOPING TO GO TO THE A I A, UM, ROUND TABLE WHERE WE WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDATION THERE TO GIVE, UM, AND GET A LOT OF INPUT ON OUR RECOMMENDATION AND LIKE WHAT, WHAT THIS CONCEPT IS. 
          WE'VE BEEN INVITED BY THEM TO, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOMENTUM AND INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN AND WE'RE EVER GROWING THAT LIST. 
          WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THOSE GROUPS. 
          AND THIS WEEK WE ARE ALSO TAKING FOLKS FROM THOSE GROUPS, UM, ON A TOUR OF THE, UH, AIRPORT IT BUILDING, WHICH IS ONE EXAMPLE OF AN AUSTIN OWNED AND DESIGNED BUILDING THAT HAS BIRD SAFE DESIGN. 
          SO WE'RE DOING THAT THIS WEEK AND WE'RE EXTENDING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN TOURING AN EXAMPLE IN AUSTIN. 
          THERE AREN'T A WHOLE LOT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE, HAS LOTS OF DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE DESCRIBED TONIGHT. 
          UH, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE AND PROVIDE, UM, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO COME, UH, HERE, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION AND WE'LL EXTEND THAT INVITATION TO THIS GROUP AS WELL. 
          UH, SO RELATED TO HARD DATA, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LIKE CITYWIDE HARD DATA. 
          WE DO KNOW HOW MANY BIRDS ARE MIGRATING THROUGH TRAVIS COUNTY. 
          LILY, UH, SHOWED A PICTURE OF A MAP THAT HAS THE RADAR DATA THAT ON I THINK APRIL 30TH, IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING LIKE 2 MILLION PLUS BIRDS WERE IN TRAVIS COUNTY THAT NIGHT. 
          UM, AND IT'S A REALLY AMAZING TOOL THAT CAN GIVE US INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY BIRDS ARE MIGRATING THROUGH THE COUNTY EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. 
          THAT TELLS US THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF BIRDS THAT ARE THERE, BUT THE NUMBER OF BIRD COLLISIONS, UM, IS THERE'S NOT HARD DATA IN AUSTIN. 
          THERE IS SOME DATA COLLECTED IN, IN DALLAS AND THERE IS ALSO SOME, UM, INFORMATION COLLECTED AT THE AUSTIN AT THE AIRPORT BUILDING TO SHOW LIKE HOW MANY BIRDS ARE COLLIDING WITH THE BUILDING WHEN YOU WOULD EXPECT MAYBE MORE OR LESS. 
          UH, THE AUDUBON HAS DEVELOPED A TOOL FOR ASSESSING HOW MANY COLLISIONS YOU WOULD EXPECT GIVEN A CITY'S BUILDINGS. 
          SO HOW MANY LOWRISE MID-RISE AND HIGHRISE 
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BUILDINGS YOU HAVE. 
          AND WE HAVE THAT DATA AND WE HAVE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT IS THIS TOOL TELLING US? AND AS A PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE ARE CONSIDERING LAUNCHING A PROGRAM TO COLLECT DATA TO MAKE THE POINT MORE SALIENT FOR HOW MANY BIRDS ARE REALLY BEING IMPACTED IN AUSTIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE STAKEHOLDERS MM-HMM . 
          IF WE ARE TARGETING, AUSTIN HAS A LOT OF ON THE WEST SIDE AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF RAISED HILLS AND, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE BIRD PATH MIGRATION PATH AND ALL, BUT IT'LL ALSO BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE SOME OF THE BUILDERS, THE CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS OR SOMEBODY IN THE BUILDING COMMUNITY BESIDES THE ARCHITECTS, UH, TO BE INVOLVED AS PART OF THE STAKEHOLDERS JUST YEAH, WE'RE, WE ARE HOPING TO ENGAGE MORE RESIDENTIAL BUILDERS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE LAST, UM, GIS DATA THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, UH, FROM, UH, 2023, THERE'S ABOUT 18,000 LOW-RISE BUILDINGS AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS. 
          SO THE IMPACT ON LOW-RISE BUILDINGS WILL HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT, LIKE ANY REGULATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS ON LOW-RISE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE MUCH MORE BECAUSE THEY OCCUPY MUCH MORE OF THE SPACE IN AUSTIN. 
          UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING TO ENGAGE WITH RESIDENTIAL BUILDERS AND, UM, TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER GILLIS, THANK YOU CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE SHARED. 
          UM, ONE, ONE THING THAT'S SORT OF STICKING OUT IN MY MIND IS, UM, THE INTENTION TO AMPLIFY THE LIGHTS OUT INITIATIVE, UH, THROUGH THIS, UH, PROCESS. 
          AND, UH, A LOT OF THE PRESENTATION, I THINK CENTERED ON THE, UH, GLASS MATERIALITY AND THE, UH, EFFECTIVE CHANGES THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED THERE AND, AND A LOT LESS ON EXAMPLES OF HOW THE, THE LIGHTING, UH, ASPECT CAN BE ADDRESSED GIVEN THAT IT DOES HAVE SUCH A BIG IMPACT ON, UM, THE OVERALL DAYTIME OCCURRENCES. 
          I AM CURIOUS, UM, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH MOST OF THE LIGHTS, OUR INITIATIVE IS CENTERED ON EXTERIOR LIGHTING. 
          I KNOW WE, WE CAN DO A LOT WITH INTERIOR OCCUPANCY SENSOR LIGHTING AND UH, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT CAN ADJUST, UM, THAT BASED ON TIMERS AND AND SUCH. 
          BUT WITH THE CONCERN FOR, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY WITH REGARDS TO EXTERIOR LIGHTING, I'M WONDERING IF AS YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, PERHAPS, UM, THERE COULD BE SOME INCLUSION OF, UM, POSITIVE EXAMPLES OF HOW BOTH OF THOSE ASPECTS COULD BE ACHIEVED. 
          EXTERNAL LIGHTING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, DOES CUT OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME OR BECOMES MO CENSORED BUT DOESN'T COMPROMISE PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          UM, I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHO WANT TO SEE THIS POSITIVE CHANGE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY OF WAYS, MANY WAYS TO DO IT AND ACHIEVE BOTH. 
          I WONDER, DO WE BRING BACK AUSTIN'S MOON TOWERS, YOU KNOW, TO CERTAIN AREAS, UM, THOSE WENT AWAY. 
          PERHAPS THEY ARE EFFECTIVE. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND, UM, POTENTIAL SUCCESSFUL LIGHTING SOLUTIONS INCLUDED. 
          UM, YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT COMMENT. 
          LIGHTING IS A HUGE PART OF IT AND THE SAFETY COMPONENT OF EXTERIOR LIGHTING, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC SPACE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SOMETIMES DON'T REALIZE IS BLINDING LIGHTING CAN ALSO HAVE A SAFETY IMPACT BECAUSE IT CAN BLIND THE EYES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT SPACE WHEN JUST BEYOND THAT BLINDING LIGHT IS A DARK SPACE THAT THEY CAN'T PERCEIVE. 
          SO WELL-DESIGNED LIGHTING THAT IS SHIELDED, THAT IS APPROPRIATELY DIRECTED CAN BE BOTH BENEFICIAL TO WILDLIFE AND FOR SAFETY CAUSES. 
          BECAUSE OVER, LIKE BEING BLINDED BY, YOU KNOW, LARGE STADIUM LIGHTING, UM, CAN, CAN ALSO HAVE A, A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON SAFETY IN PUBLIC SPACES AT NIGHT. 
          UH, THERE ARE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, PROVIDING NOT ONLY LIGHTING, UM, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING COMPONENTS THAT ARE THE FIXTURES, BUT ALSO EDUCATIONAL, UM, CAMPAIGNS. 
          AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WANTING TO DEVELOP MORE IS BECAUSE THE LIGHTING AND THE, THE PAYING ATTENTION TO MIGRATION AND HOW PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR LIGHT BULBS OR MOVE THEIR LIGHTS IS A BIT OF AN EDUCATIONAL THING. 
          'CAUSE THOSE CAN BE DONE AFTER SOMEBODY HAS HAD THEIR BUILDING PERMITS SIGNED OFF AND APPROVED. 
          AND WE THINK THAT THERE IS A REALLY IMPORTANT EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO, UH, HELPING THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE AND THE IMPACT OF LIGHTING. 
          THANK YOU. 
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COMMISSIONER ME. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. 
          I ENJOYED THE CONTENT AND I REALLY LIKE THE DELIVERY. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YOU MENTIONED HERE THAT YOU'RE CONDUCTING FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS. 
          UM, ARE YOU FOCUSING ON THE EXISTING STOCK OF BUILDINGS OR ARE YOU FOCUSING ON, UH, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT? UM, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FEASIBILITY IS WE ARE CONSIDERING THE COST OF MATERIALS. 
          WE ARE CONSIDERING THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON REVIEW TIME AND THE, UH, IMPACT ON INSPECTION AND COMPLIANCE. 
          IT IS INCON LIKE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY GENERALLY EVERY SINGLE BUILDING AS IT WAS BUILT, YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY WOULD COST X, Y, OR Z. 
          BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE LIKE A REALLY HOLISTIC IDEA OF LIKE, OKAY, THIS MATERIAL COST ABOUT THIS MUCH PER SQUARE FOOT. 
          AS YOU START TO SCALE UP, YOU KNOW, I DUNNO HOW BIG YOU'RE GONNA SCALE UP, YOU KNOW, THOSE COSTS CAN DECREASE AS THE MARKET CHANGES AND HAS MORE MATERIAL AVAILABLE COSTS, COSTS DECREASE, AND IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF, UM, ENERGY SAVINGS OFFSET, SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS WILL BE BENEFICIAL AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE LESS BENEFICIAL. 
          UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF EXPLORING HOW TO BEST PROVIDE THAT. 
          UM, IN TALKING TO, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THERE'S NOT REALLY A CLEAR PASSAGE TO LIKE, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS EVERY BUILDING TO COMPLY WITH BIRD SAFE DESIGN. 
          BECAUSE ALSO IF YOU HAVE LESS GLASS THAT'S LESS COMPLIANCE WITH BIRD SAFE DESIGN, OTHER FACADE MATERIAL MAY COST MORE OR LESS, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE HAVE AVAILABLE WITHOUT, UM, WITHOUT TRYING TO SAY SPECIFICALLY LIKE, THIS WILL COST THIS BUILDING X NUMBER OF DOLLARS OVER ITS CONSTRUCTION COSTS. 
          'CAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR. 
          GOT IT. 
          JUST TO FOLLOW UP, UM, PERHAPS, UM, AS YOU ARE EMBARKING ON DATA, UM, GATHERING, UM, MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS BUILT BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW, 1990, THIS MANY BIRDS ARE IMPACTED, RIGHT. 
          AND THEN JUST BREAK IT DOWN BY DECADES AND THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE MAYBE THERE IS SOME DATA THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME MORE GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF HOW TO STRUCTURE EXISTING BUILDINGS VERSUS THE NEW BUILDINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          THE EXISTING BUILDINGS CAN BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH EXISTING LANDSCAPE ALREADY, RIGHT? UM, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR RETROFIT AND REMODELS TO INCORPORATE BIRD SAFE DESIGN. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PRECEDENT IN IN NORTH AMERICA FOR INCORPORATING THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN RETROFIT OR REMODELS AT THIS TIME. 
          SO YOU'RE, WE'RE KIND OF DEALING WITH THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE HAVE AND LOOKING AT A BUILDING BY BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING BY BUILDING BASIS. 
          AND THAT'S HOW A LOT OF THE DATA IS COLLECTED ON LIKE SINGLE BLOCKS. 
          UM, BUT BREAKING IT DOWN INTO LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW LIKE THE STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, THE STYLE OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP IN HOW WE MIGHT COLLECT THE DATA. 
          SO THIS VERY GOOD, UM, UH, THOUGHT ON, ON THAT. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT, HOW, HOW THE, HOW THE DATA WOULD PLAY OUT IN SHOWING HOW MANY BIRDS ARE IMPACTED IN AUSTIN. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          JUST ONE QUESTION I HAD WAS THE, UM, YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A CITY THAT FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          WHAT CITY WAS THAT? UM, THE ONE, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A CITY. 
          IT'S LAKE COUNTY, IOWA. 
          SO IT'S A COUNTY REGULATION THAT THEY RECENTLY, I THINK AS OF WAS IT LAST WEEK, PASSED SOME RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, Y'ALL'S PRESENTATION. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA BE BACK IN DECEMBER, UM, MAYBE DECEMBER, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE'LL SEE WHAT Y'ALL'S AGENDA LOOKS LIKE AND IF WHAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM 
          [3. Presentation and discussion regarding the update to the Urban Design Guidelines.  Presented by Jorge Rousselin, Planning Department.]
FOR DISCUSSION, UM, IS A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE UPDATES TO THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, PRESENTED BY JORGE ROSALINE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR COMMISSIONER. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          JORGE ROLAND, EXECUTIVE LIAISON FOR THE COMMISSION, AND I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          UH, AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN AND 
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NOTICED, UH, SOPHIA HAS MOVED ON TO AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE'RE VERY HAPPY FOR HER. 
          AND SO WE'RE, YOU GET THE B AND C TEAM THIS EVENING AND IT'S TOUGH TO FOLLOW SUCH A GREAT PRESENTATION LIKE WE SAW TODAY. 
          I WISH THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS A STUDENT, I WAS, HAD THE CONFIDENCE TO DO WHAT  OUR COLLEAGUES HAVE DONE THIS EVENING. 
          SO IT'S VERY COMMENDABLE TO SEE THAT. 
          I THINK OUR FUTURE IS IN GREAT HANDS. 
          AND SO IF YOU ALLOW ME TO SIT AT THE TABLE SO WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION, I THINK IT'LL BE A LOT EASIER THAN MAKING IT FORMAL THAN BEING AT THE PODIUM. 
          AND SO WHAT WE BRING TO YOU THIS EVENING ARE SOME TEMPLATE IDEAS. 
          WE'RE AT THE STAGE BY WHICH STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING, UH, QUITE HARD. 
          AND WHEN I SAY STAFF, I MEANT MO MOSTLY SOPHIA IN CRAFTING SOME DESIGN TEMPLATES AND IDEAS AS TO HOW TO NAVIGATE THE NEW VERSION OF YOUR URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE UPDATE. 
          AND JUST TO KIND OF GO BACK IN, IN TIME BRIEFLY, JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED, THE THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND HOW THEY'RE USED, YOU HAVE THAT DOCUMENT THAT YOU RELY UPON TO EVALUATE PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE ONES THAT ARE PRIVATE IN THE PRIVATE REALM AND COME TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE. 
          YOU OFTEN FOCUS ON SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND YOU SEE THOSE REFLECTED IN DESIGN SOLUTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO YOU. 
          I, I AM A BIG FAN OF THE EXISTING GUIDELINES. 
          DO THEY NEED TO BE UPDATED? OF COURSE THEY DO, BUT THEY WORK QUITE WELL. 
          OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE DATED AND NEED TO BE UPDATED, UH, FAIRLY SOON. 
          YOU'RE ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AND WHERE THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES FALLS INTO THE PROCESS. 
          WE WILL NOT DISCUSS THE FLOW CHART. 
          IT'S QUITE CUMBERSOME AS YOU CAN SEE AND QUITE DETAILED, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU A COPY OF THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT. 
          BUT MAINLY HOW THROUGH THE CITY CODE, THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES INTERFACE NOT ONLY WITH THIS COMMISSION, BUT WITH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROJECTS, IT'S THROUGH THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. 
          AND THAT'S UNDER 25 2 5 8 6. 
          THE PROCESS IS QUITE INVOLVED AND OFTEN IT'S OUTLINED BY A CONVERSATION THAT STARTS WITH CITY STAFF AT THE TIME OF SIP AND SUBMITTAL. 
          AND, UH, OFTENTIMES WE'RE NOT AWARE THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE COMING UNLESS WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH APPLICANTS EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          WE ARE CHANGING THAT DYNAMIC BY WHICH BEFORE A, AN APPLICANT IS READY TO SUBMIT, UH, A SITE PLAN, WE ASK THAT WE HAVE A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE. 
          IF YOU ALLOW THE EXPRESSION WITH URBAN DESIGN STAFF TO GUIDE 'EM THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ESPECIALLY OUTLINE THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE. 
          THERE'S ALSO A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND CITY DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS. 
          NOW, YOU FIND CITY DESIGN STANDARDS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CODE. 
          THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SPECIFICALLY, YOU MAY KNOW SOME OF YOUR FAVORITE SUB CHAPTERS LIKE SUB-CHAPTER F, TYPICALLY KNOWN AS THE MCMANSION ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, SUB CHAPTER E, WHICH ARE COMMERCIAL DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE FOUND, YOU'RE MAYBE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND STATION AREA PLANS THAT IN CONJUNCTION HAVE CREATED REGULATING PLANS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          ALL OF THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CODE. 
          SEPARATE FROM THAT, YOU HAVE OTHER, UH, TECHNICAL STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CODE, LIKE THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA MANUALS, AS WELL AS STANDALONE STANDARDS LIKE GRAY STREETS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS ONE AREA THAT IS COMMONLY INTERFACED WITH THIS COMMISSION AND THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          SO CITY DESIGN IS SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS EXIST, AND THAT'S ONE OTHER AREA OF INTERSECTION BETWEEN THE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THEMSELVES. 
          THESE ARE REFERENCED BY RESOLUTION. 
          AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS A GREEN BUILDING POLICY THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE, UH, THAT IS MANDATED FOR EVERY PUBLIC PROJECT CITY PROJECT. 
          AND THAT WAS ALSO CITED IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION WE SAW THIS EVENING AS A REQUIREMENT IN, IN COORDINATION WITH AUSTIN ENERGY, THEIR GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM, AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE THREE, THE THE STAR RATING SYSTEM THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT MANY BUILDINGS. 
          NOW. 
          NOW LET'S JUMP TO THE DIRECTION GIVEN BY COUNCIL TO UPDATE THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          SO THERE'S A SPECIFIC RESOLUTION PASSED BACK IN 2021. 
          SO WE ARE COMING UP ON OUR FOURTH YEAR, UM, WORKING ON THIS INITIATIVE AND, AND REALLY SEEKING TO MAKE MORE PROJECTS 
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IN URBAN AREAS USE, UTILIZE THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES OUTSIDE OF JUST THE URBAN CORE. 
          IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE HISTORY OF THE GUIDELINES, THEY TYPICALLY APPLIED TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND THAT WAS MANY YEARS AGO. 
          AND PERHAPS AT THAT TIME IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO APPLY THOSE GUIDELINES IN THE CORE. 
          BUT AS STATED IN THE UPDATE IN IN THE 2010S, THE GUIDELINES ARE SOUGHT AND DESIRED TO BE APPLIED ANYWHERE. 
          THE CITY WISHES TO SEE INCREASED DENSITY. 
          SO THAT ESSENTIALLY EXTENDS BEYOND JUST THE CORE. 
          THERE'S ALSO DIRECTION TO INCORPORATE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS DIRECTED BY THE COUNCIL OF RESOLUTION. 
          SO THIS COMMISSION CREATED A NUMBER OF WORKING GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING QUITE DILIGENTLY IN CRAFTING A DRAFT SET OF GUIDELINES THAT ARE STILL IN WORKING GROUP. 
          AND SO WE PERHAPS NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND HOW WE GO BEYOND THE WORKING GROUP CONSTRUCTS SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION AT THIS LEVEL, AND ALSO BE ABLE TO INTERFACE WITH OTHER CITY INITIATIVES LIKE YOU SAW THIS EVENING, TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY SHARE ON THE, ON THE DAIS, THE EMERGING RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT BE ABLE TO SHARE THE DOCUMENT ITSELF WITH OTHER TEAMS TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL INPUT ON THE PROCESS. 
          SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          FINALIZING THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINE CONTENT, THAT'S A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH BETWEEN THE COMMISSION CITY STAFF, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THROUGH THE WORKING GROUPS AND OTHER INDUSTRY EXPERTS THAT THE COMMISSION AND THE WORKING GROUPS HAS ENGAGED, UM, DURING THEIR EFFORTS TO WRITE THE DRAFT GUIDELINES. 
          AND STAFF IS WORKING TO FINALIZE GRAPHIC DESIGN CONTENT AND PROPOSALS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER TOWARDS ALIGNING A FINAL DOCUMENT THAT PERHAPS COULD BE USED TO ENGAGE WITH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT TEMPLATE. 
          YOU'RE QUITE FAMILIAR. 
          IT WORKS QUITE WELL, UH, IN TERMS OF A VERTICAL PRESENTATION OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          THE GUIDELINES ARE VERY WELL ORGANIZED, BUT IT IS A BIT DATED. 
          IT HONESTLY, IF YOU DON'T TELL ANYONE, IT LOOKS LIKE A CITY GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT. 
          NOT THAT THAT'S A BAD THING, BUT IT'S JUST HAPPENS TO BE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MODERNIZED AND UPDATE IT NOT ONLY THE CONTENT ITSELF, BUT THE VISUAL REPRESENTATION FOR EASE OF USE. 
          AS WE STARTED TO RESEARCH HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES, OTHER CITIES ARE EVOLVING IN THEIR PRESENTATION OF GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS, WE FOUND THAT THERE'S A COMMON DESIGN THEME OFTEN IN THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT HELP TO CENTER THE VIEWER AND THE USER OF THE GUIDELINES AROUND A PARTICULAR CONVEYANCE OF INFORMATION THAT SPEAKS TO THE OWNERSHIP OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE USE OF CERTAIN COLORS AND DESIGN PATTERNS AND EVEN GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATIONS THAT CAN MAKE THEM UNIQUE AND, AND CAN POINT TO A DOCUMENT LIKE THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, PRODUCED BY THIS COMMISSION TO BE IN THE UNIQUE DOCUMENT THAT THE COMMISSION USES. 
          THERE ARE MULTIPLE EXAMPLES THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH, BUT THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF HOW YOUR DRAFT COULD EVOLVE INTO THIS DYNAMIC, VERY FLASHY, VERY USER-FRIENDLY DOCUMENT THAT CAN PROVIDE A PATHWAY TOWARDS CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY IN THE PRESENTATION OF THE GUIDELINES THEMSELVES. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT DRAFT, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF ONE PAGE, AND BY ALL MEANS, THIS IS NOT THE FINAL VERSION OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          OBVIOUSLY, AS WE HAVE RECEIVED THE DOCUMENT, UH, WE, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF SEVEN CORE PRINCIPLES AND 48 GUIDELINES VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONSTRUCT OF THE CURRENT URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          IT, IT APPLIES APPLICABILITY AND PRIORITIES BASED ON TIER ONE AND TIER TWO APPROACHES, AND IT ASSIGNS VALUES TO, UH, THINGS LIKE THE CLIMATE AND THE ENVIRONMENT, MOBILITY, CONNECTIVITY AND SO ON AS PRIORITIES FOR HOW THOSE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES CAN BE APPLIED. 
          THERE'S ALSO INTENT CONDITIONS AND ALSO EXAMPLES. 
          SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AND ORGANIZED INTO A COHESIVE DOCUMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW ANY USER, INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS, HOW IT'S USED, AND HOW A DESIGN SOLUTION CAN BE ARRIVED BY THE USE OF URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES IN AND PRESENTED IN A PRACTICAL WAY THAT COULD BE USEFUL. 
          SO SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW TO ESSENTIALLY ORGANIZE AND DIVIDE THE GUIDELINES INTO SECTIONS ARE PRESENTED IN YOUR 
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BACKUP, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AS TO HOW WE CAN HIGHLIGHT CERTAIN AREAS OF AN IMAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A STARTING IMAGE AT THE BEGINNING OF A SECTION OF THE GUIDELINES THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE VISIBILITY OF SOME OF THE CORE PRINCIPLES OR THE IDEAS OR THEMES THAT THE GUIDELINES, THE SET OF GUIDELINES WISH TO ADDRESS. 
          THE CONCEPTS THAT WE WISH TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU AS A COMMISSION IS TO DO, YOU WANT TO SEE A DOCUMENT THAT'S HIGHLY VISUAL, COLORFUL, THEMATIC, AND HAS A DESIGN BRAND, NOT IN TERMS OF BRANDING THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT WITH AN ICON OR A LOGO, BUT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT EASILY RECOGNIZABLE IN TERMS OF A PRODUCT FROM THE DESIGN COMMISSION AND MAKE IT UNIQUE AND, AND SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN HOW YOU SEE COMMERCIAL DESIGN STANDARDS TODAY, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          NOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT IS EMBEDDED INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO DO A, A FLASHY DESIGN DOCUMENT LIKE YOU SEE HERE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF YOU'VE READ THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WELL, GOOD LUCK. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING TO, TO READ, NOT HIGHLY VISUALLY APPEALING LIKE YOU SEE TODAY. 
          SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE STARTED TO PUT TOGETHER SOME OF YOUR GUIDELINES INTO WHAT COULD BE AN EMERGING CONCEPT. 
          THIS IS ONLY A CONCEPT TO GET SOME KIND OF REACTION FROM THE COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER ARE WE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? IS THIS THE KIND OF FORMAT YOU WANNA SEE? DO YOU WISH TO SEE A VERTICAL DOMINANCE, A LANDSCAPE DOMINANCE? HOW DO YOU WANT TO START USING THE DOCUMENT? DO YOU WANT IT TO HAVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE'LL OPEN THAT UP TO DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          STAFF IS NOT HERE TO PRESENT YOU WITH A FINAL DESIGN OR CONCEPT, BUT WE WISH TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PREFERENCE AS TO THE TYPE OF DOCUMENT. 
          ONCE WE START PUTTING TOGETHER THE ACTUAL DRAFT, IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK, SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AT LEAST A THEMATIC APPROACH TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          THIS WILL REQUIRE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK IN, IN DESIGN MORE THAN LIKELY, AND THAT HAS LINKS AS IMAGES AND WE ALSO NEED TO START GETTING ORGANIZED AROUND IMAGES, DRAWINGS, DETAILS, CONCEPTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, ET CETERA, THAT NEED TO MAKE IT INTO THE GUIDELINES. 
          WITH THAT CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HOWARD? HEY EVERYONE. 
          UM, THANKS JORGE. 
          THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, HOLD ON A SECOND. 
          WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU. 
          SEE IF WE CAN GET YOUR VOLUME TURNED UP. 
          LET ME KNOW IF THAT'S ANY BETTER. 
          I TRY IT AGAIN. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW? WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          GETTING THERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
           ONE SECOND. 
          I THINK WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GIVE IT A SHOUT. 
          I THINK WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT'S, UH, UH, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, JORGE. 
          THAT'S REALLY NI UH, GREAT. 
          UM, I THINK THE DIRECTION LOOKS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. 
          UH, AND I WAS JUST WANTED TO GET A, UM, CONFIRMATION THAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING, UH, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS ABOUT DIVID, UH, DIVIDING THE GUIDELINES INTO SECTIONS WERE THOSE SECTIONS INTENDED TO BE BASED ON THE CORE PRINCIPLES, UH, SEVEN DIFFERENT CORE PRINCIPLES. 
          I, IF I MAY CHAIR, THANK YOU, YES, COMMISSIONERS, THAT THAT COULD BE AT THE DIRECTION AND PREFERENCE OF THE COMMISSION. 
          IF, IF YOU NOTICE, WE FELT SHORT OF GIVING DIRECTION TO THE COMMISSION BECAUSE WE REALLY WISH THIS TO BE A COLLABORATION AND A DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSION AS HOW YOU FEEL THE GUIDELINES WOULD BE BEST PRESENTED, UH, WITH YOUR GUIDANCE AND SUGGESTIONS. 
          THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT SEVERAL TEMPLATES THAT PERHAPS EVEN CAN COME BACK TO THE WORKING GROUP, IF YOU LIKE, FOR, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE, I'M GONNA SAY THE WORD APPROVAL AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY IT, BUT MAYBE ENDORSEMENT, CORRECT, THAT'S PERHAPS A BETTER WORD FROM THE WORKING GROUP TO GET GUIDANCE. 
          UM, I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE FACING AS STAFF AND NOW BEING ONE PERSON SHORT 
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IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO THE COMMISSION, IS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD BEFORE WE START THE ACTUAL PRODUCTION IN INDESIGN, WHICH WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL ENDEAVOR. 
          SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, COMMISSIONER WILL BE HAPPY TO ARRANGE THE ORDER AND SECTIONS OF THE GUIDELINES AS THE COMMISSION SEES FIT. 
          OKAY, THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, I, I THINK, UH, THAT THE FOUR PRINCIPLES SERVE AS A NICE KIND OF, UH, BREAKDOWN, UM, OF EACH OF THE, THE GUIDELINES OR GROUPS OF GUIDELINES. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          UM, I NOTICED YOU GUYS HAD SOME, UH, IN THE EXAMPLES, SOME, UH, LANGUAGE PROTECT, ACTIVATE, ENHANCE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAME FROM, UH, FROM THE, UM, CURRENT DRAFT, UM, OR IF THAT WAS JUST KIND OF AN EXAMPLE FROM ANOTHER GUIDELINE. 
          I, I BELIEVE THAT'S AN EXAMPLE FROM ANOTHER GUIDELINE. 
          IF, IF, IF IT MIRRORS OURS, IT'S SPECTACULAR COINCIDENCE. 
          COOL. 
          HOPEFULLY NOT TOO SPECTACULAR. 
          HOPEFULLY THERE ARE REALLY CORE PRINCIPLES OF URBAN DESIGN AND WE'RE, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE NOT TOO FAR OFF BASE. 
          UM, UH, BUT YEAH, NO, I THINK THIS, THIS LOOKS GOOD. 
          AND I, I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION FROM Y'ALL, UM, TO HELP INFORM THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE, IS THERE A DIRECTION THAT FEELS MORE FEASIBLE FROM A GRAPHIC DESIGN PERSPECTIVE GIVEN, UM, YOUR GUYS', UH, YOUR, THE TEAM'S EXISTING SKILLSET AND SO FORTH? I, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE MORE PRESSING DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD REALLY, AND PLEASE ALLOW THE OVERSIMPLIFICATION OF THE APPROACH IS THE VERTICAL VERSUS LANDSCAPE APPROACH. 
          LANDSCAPE DOCUMENTS AS, AS FUN AS THEY CAN BE IN THE DESIGN WORLD, ARE VERY CHALLENGING TO MANEUVER, UH, TO MOST USERS. 
          SO A, A BOOK TYPE APPROACH, A VERTICAL APPROACH IS, IS MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE, UH, UNIVERSALLY AND EASIER TO READ AND FOLLOW. 
          SO WE WOULD, ONE MAJOR TAKEAWAY OF THIS DISCUSSION THIS EVENING IS TO PERHAPS MOVE FORWARD WITH A VERTICAL APPROACH, AND THEN WE CAN START TEASING OUT MORE SPECIFIC DESIGN ELEMENTS WORKING WITH THE WORKING GROUP ITSELF IN COLLABORATION TO BE ABLE TO ORGANIZE THEM BY THE CORE PRINCIPLES INTO SECTIONS. 
          AND THEN THAT FLOWS WITH, WITH THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF, UH, PUTTING THOSE GUIDELINES INTO ACTUAL DIGITAL PAPER THAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          AND OUR INTENT IS TO PROVIDE PDF DRAFTS OF, OF THE RESULT. 
          NOW, IF, IF YOU ALLOW ME TO, A, A CAVEAT IS THIS NEEDS TO COME OUTTA WORKING GROUP AT SOME POINT, IT'S GONNA BE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO VIEW EVEN THE DRAFT, THE MOCKUPS AND DESIGN SCENARIOS THAT STAFF WILL BRING FORWARD WITHOUT POSTING IT FOR BACKUP. 
          THAT ALLOWS THIS COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION DURING THE MEETING. 
          AND WE CAN PUT DRAFT ALL OVER IT, AND THAT'S FINE. 
          IF IT'S PUBLIC, IT'S OKAY, IT'S STILL A DRAFT, UH, WITH ALL THOSE CAVEATS SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION, PERHAPS NOT INTO THE DETAILS OF THE GUIDELINES THEMSELVES JUST YET, BUT THE ARRANGEMENT, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS, THE FLOW, AND START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE INCORPORATE SPECIFIC DIAGRAMS, IMAGES, CHARTS, PERHAPS EVEN PHOTOGRAPHS THAT STAFF MAY NEED TO GO OUT AND, AND TAKE IN, IN ORDER TO CIRCUMVENT ANY KIND OF COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT ISSUES THAT MAY COME UP. 
          SO STAFF IS WILLING TO COLLABORATE WITH THE COMMISSION TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS IF YOU WISH TO SEE PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, AND ALSO WORK WITH YOU TO CREATE 2D AND 3D ELEMENTS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN SHOWCASING TO FURTHER EXPLAIN ANY SPECIFIC OR SET OF GUIDELINES. 
          COMMISSIONER CARROLL, AND WE'LL GO TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST TO, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE AND EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS THAT STAFF JUST WORKS WITH THE WORKING GROUP ON THIS FORMATTING, UNLESS THERE'S A COMMISSIONER HERE THAT THINKS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS FORMATTING, UH, YOU KNOW, ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR THE FULL COMMISSION. 
          TO ME, I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA BOG US DOWN IN THE PROCESS. 
          UH, BUT CERTAINLY IF ANYBODY FEELS DIFFERENTLY, LET ME KNOW, BUT I THINK THE WORKING GROUP CAN 
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PROVIDE INPUT TO STAFF TO KEEP THIS THING MOVING. 
          VICE CHAIR MINORS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, I AGREE. 
          I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DELEGATE A LOT OF THIS TO THE WORKING GROUP, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE MORE COOKS IN THE KITCHEN, UM, THE TRICKIER IT IS, UH, AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN A REALLY LENGTHY PROCESS. 
          UM, I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, I WORK IN THE TECH SECTOR AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT IS JUST HOW MUCH AI IS USED AND, UH, I WOULD ASSUME THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS GONNA BE SOMEWHAT OF A LAGGARD MAYBE COMPARED TO, UM, THE PRIVATE SECTOR, BUT I COULD IMAGINE THAT SOME OF THESE ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING FIRMS ARE GONNA START USING AI TO KIND OF COMPARE THEIR DESIGNS TO VARYING, YOU KNOW, GUIDANCE, STANDARDS, GUIDELINES, WHAT HAVE YOU THAT, UM, CAN BE KIND OF TRICKY TO NAVIGATE. 
          UM, SO I DO THINK THAT THERE HAS TO BE, UH, AN INTENT TO ALMOST FUTURE PROOF IT, UM, SO THAT IT, IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH AI. 
          UM, I THINK THE CURRENT VERSION, UH, ISN'T PARTICULARLY FRIENDLY TO MOBILE FORMATTING. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST A COMMAND F SO I THINK FROM A NAVIGABILITY PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE, THE USER INTERFACE WITH THE PDF, WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO USE COMMAND F ON MY MAC, UM, ISN'T, UH, NECESSARILY THE EASIEST WAY, UM, TO NAVIGATE FROM SECTION TO SECTION. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A CONSIDERATION AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE DOCUMENT IS RIGHT NOW, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THE, UM, EXEMPLIFICATION IS LIKE SOLIDIFIED INTO THE DOCUMENT, AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE COULD ALMOST UNCOUPLE THAT OR JUST HAVE PLACEHOLDERS WHERE YOU CAN UPDATE IMAGES WITH MORE FREQUENCY SO THAT THEY MAINTAIN RELEVANCE, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, SO ALL IN ALL, I JUST THINK IT'S, UM, IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING, UM, 10 YEARS FROM NOW GIVEN THAT IT'S TAKEN WHAT THIS LONG TO, TO KIND OF REFINE THE DOCUMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, ALL I HAVE CHAIR, IF I MAY JUST YES, PLEASE, QUICKLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EXCELLENT POINTS, AND THANK YOU VICE CHAIR FOR, FOR THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO AI, THOUGH, THE CITY'S STILL FORMULATING OUR AI POLICY, AND SO WE'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSION ON YOUR INTEREST IN HOW TO MAKE THIS AI AI PROOF IS THAT PERHAPS THOSE ARE MY WORKS, BUT HOW TO INTEGRATE IT INTO THE AI TO MAKE SURE NOT ONLY IT UNDERSTANDS IT, BUT BE ABLE TO, UH, PERHAPS EVEN BETA TEST SOME OF THESE, UH, IDEAS AND CONCEPTS. 
          HOWEVER, I, I STILL THINK THAT WE'RE QUITE A WASTE FROM THERE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING NOT ONLY THE POLICY WITHIN THE CITY, BUT HOW AI'S BEING USED. 
          AND SO THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INTEREST WITHIN THE CITY TO DO THAT. 
          AND THERE'S OTHER, UH, SISTER DEPARTMENTS THAT PERHAPS ARE ALSO WORKING ON AN AI APPROACH. 
          SO CERTAINLY HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU WHEN THAT'S READY. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER GILLIS. 
          THANK YOU JORGE, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I DO APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS BEING BROUGHT TO THIS SPACE. 
          I'M NOT PART OF THE WORKING GROUP, SO IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO HAVE AN INSIGHT INTO WHERE THIS IS IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIMELINE AND SHARING THE SORT OF NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, I WANT TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT GRAPHIC CLARITY AND SIMPLICITY OF COMPREHENSION AND DIGESTIBILITY HAS TO BE PRIME PARAMOUNT. 
          I THINK FOR THE DOCUMENT, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE, BUT I'M CURIOUS, IS THERE AN INTENTION TO BRING IN A GRAPHIC CONSULTANT OR A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL WHO WILL BE PRODUCING THIS DOCUMENT? THAT PART WASN'T NECESSARILY ON, UH, WASN'T NECESSARILY CLEAR TO ME OR PERHAPS SOPHIA HAD THAT SCALE UNDER HER BELT THAT I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. 
          UM, WHO'S ACTUALLY EXECUTING THE PRODUCTION OF THIS? IS THIS ALL ON STAFF OR IS IT, IS THE INTENTION IS PARTIALLY WORKING GROUP? UM, SO JUST SOME CLARITY THERE AS TO WHO'S ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK. 
          UM, MAYBE IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA ANSWER, I HAVE ONE OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF I MAY CHAIR THE SIMPLEST AND STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER IS STAFF IS WORKING ON THE DESIGN PRODUCTION OF IT, AND THAT'S BY COUNCIL RESOLUTION. 
          SO THE COUNCIL GAVE INSTRUCTIONS TO AND DIRECTION TO STAFF TO COLLABORATE AND PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO THE COMMISSION IN THE PRODUCTION OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          THERE, THERE IS NO INTENT TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS NO FUNDS TO SECURE THAT. 
          UH, YOU MAY RECOMMEND THAT TO THE COUNCIL. 
          HOWEVER, IT WOULD HAVE TO FALL IN LINE WITH THE MANY OTHER BUDGET REQUESTS THAT THE COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING. 
          UH, THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT, BUT IT CAN JUST ADD MORE TIME. 
          WE DO HAVE THAT SKILLSET WITHIN STAFF. 
          THE, THE ONLY TRADE OFF IS IT WOULD 
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TAKE MORE TIME BECAUSE ALONG WITH OUR NORMAL DUTIES, WE WOULD HAVE TO ASSIGN SPACE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THIS APPROPRIATE TIME AND ENERGY AND, AND IT IS QUITE SUBSTANTIAL WHEN YOU START TO PUT TOGETHER AN INDESIGN DOCUMENT WITH LINKS AND FONTS AND CONSISTENT THEMES AND SO ON. 
          SO WE DO SEE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK ON BEHALF OF STAFF, BUT WE ALSO WISH TO COLLABORATE WITH THE COMMISSION BY WHICH, IF YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A DIAGRAM FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, OR A PHOTOGRAPH THAT COULD BE ALLOWED FOR THE CITY TO USE FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, THOSE ARE THE INTERSECTING POINTS WHERE STAFF CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE COLLABORATION WITH THE COMMISSION BECAUSE WE DO SEE AS STAFF HAVING A MAJORITY OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO START THE DRAFT. 
          AND WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO START PRODUCING AT LEAST SOMETHING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND REACTION AND THEN BE ABLE TO ADJUST AS NECESSARY. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A WORD DOCUMENT THAT'S FANTASTIC AS A FIRST DRAFT, BUT OBVIOUSLY LACKS THE TIME AND ATTENTION FOR A DESIGN DOCUMENT AS YOU WISH TO SEE IT. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. 
          I THINK THE TIME REQUIRED TO PRODUCE SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE CANNOT BE UNDERESTIMATED OR UNDERSTATED. 
          I THINK IT'S AN IMMENSE UNDERTAKING. 
          UM, EVEN FOR A PROFESSIONAL, UH, CONSULTANCY GROUP WHO WOULD DO THIS DAY IN, DAY OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A BIG, MASSIVE PROJECT. 
          UM, I THINK HERE, ONE, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER, UM, AS WAY OF INPUT BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD PRESENTED TO US, UM, IS FIRST, UM, CERTAINLY ORGANIZING THE DOCUMENT BASED ON, UM, THE CORE PRINCIPLES. 
          I THINK THERE ARE EIGHT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, I THINK USING THEMATIC, UM, COLORS TO CREATE CLARITY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          I WOULD CAUTION MIXING ILLUSTRATIVE FORMAT WITH PHOTOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION. 
          I THINK THAT ADDS OR LEADS TO CONFUSION AND NOT, DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T RESULT IN A STREAMLINED PRODUCT. 
          CERTAINLY A PHOTOGRAPHIC AVENUE, UM, MIGHT BE LESS TIME CONSUMING THAN THE ILLUSTRATIVE FORMAT. 
          HOWEVER, WITH THE MENTION OF AI, UM, IT STRANGELY PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE EXACTLY THAT TYPE OR SORT OF ILLUSTRATIVE DIAGRAM WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY INPUT THE EXACT EXAMPLE THAT WE WANT TO SEE. 
          AND AI CAN GENERATE THAT IMAGE AND PERHAPS IN A VERY FAST METHOD, UM, GENERATE AN ILLUSTRATIVE STYLE THAT CAN BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, SO I, I DO ENCOURAGE, PERHAPS LOOKING AT AI SPECIFICALLY TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS OF CREATING THIS DOCUMENT RATHER THAN, UM, WHAT WAS AFOREMENTIONED IN TERMS OF FUTURE PROOFING. 
          UM, OTHER THINGS TO ADD. 
          NOW, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN THE WORKING GROUP TO HELP WITH, UM, EXACTLY THIS TASK, I WOULD GLADLY VOLUNTEER TO BE A PART OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO CURRENTLY ON THE WORKING GROUP, UH, HOW MANY, HOW MANY FOLKS DO WE HAVE? FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE IS SOME ROOM TO ADD, ADD YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JOINING CHAIR, IF I MAY. 
          THERE'S ROOM FOR ONE MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU WERE, YOU WERE ABLE TO HAVE ON AN ACTIVE WORKING GROUP, LESS THAN A QUORUM, SO YOU CAN HAVE UP TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MEMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN VOTE ON TODAY OR IS THAT, UH, WE GIVE THE POST FOR ACTION? YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON IT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          YOU CAN JUST, YOU YOU THINK, SO MY APOLOGIES. 
          WE DO HAVE TO VOTE ON MEMBERSHIP. 
          ARE WE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT IT BEING POSTED FOR ACTION OR, UH, PARDON ME. 
          CHAIR. 
          SO I HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER CARROLL, VICE CHAIR, MINORS COMMISSIONER HOWARD, COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY, AND COMMISSIONER WHIT STRUCK ON THE URBAN DESIGN LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          GUIDELINES WORKING GROUP. 
          SO DID SOMEBODY DROP OFF AT SOME POINT OR? I DROPPED OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THEN, YES, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM FOR THE MEMBERSHIP OF A WORKING GROUP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO WE CAN PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE'LL DO THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER GALLES, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THERE ARE NEW COMMISSIONERS WHO MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE WORKING GROUP, UM, AND WONDERING HOW, AND PERHAPS IT IS AT THE NEXT, UM, GATHERING NEXT MEETING, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, BUT I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO BE A PART OF THAT. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          AND, AND YOU HAVE ROOM FOR ONE MORE CHAIR, SO WHOEVER VOLUNTEERS FIRST COME 
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FIRST SERVE. 
          . 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON, UM, COMMISSIONER WHIR? THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF GIVING FEEDBACK, UH, AGREE, STRONG PREFERENCE TOWARD A PORTRAIT FORMAT? FROM, UH, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I THINK I AGREE THAT THAT'S MORE LEGIBLE. 
          UM, UH, I RECOMMEND WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK I AGREE WITH, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER CARROLL ABOUT THE WORKING GROUP CONTINUING TO INTERFACE WITH STAFF. 
          I CERTAINLY WOULD BE HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER TIME FOR THAT. 
          UM, THE GRAPHIC HIERARCHY OF, UM, THE CONTENT WITHIN, WITHIN EACH OF THE GUIDELINES IS SOMETHING I THINK WE COULD SPEND A, A SPECIAL FOCUS ON. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY TRIPPED UP OUR FIRST SORT OF RUN THROUGH CITY STAFF STAKEHOLDERS WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CONDITIONS WE LAID OUT AND THE EXAMPLES THAT CONFUSED A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          I THINK WE CAN GO A LONG WAY TOWARD CLARIFYING THAT. 
          EXAMPLES ARE MEANT TO BE EXAMPLES, UM, BY, YOU KNOW, THE CHOICE OF FONTS AND HIERARCHY. 
          AND, UM, SO THINKING ABOUT THE, THE GRAPHIC HIERARCHY OF THIS, BEYOND THAT, I DON'T HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THE FORMAT OTHER THAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, SHARP. 
          I THINK THE, I THINK THE EXAMPLES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TODAY, UM, SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK THERE. 
          UM, AND FINALLY MY LAST COMMENT, BREVITY IS BEST. 
          UM, THE CURRENT DESIGN GUIDELINES, YOU HAVE TO GO 25 PAGES BEFORE THERE'S AN ACTUAL GUIDELINE. 
          UM, I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THAT WAS TO EXPLAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, BUT THE PRACTICAL MATTERS, MOST PEOPLE USING THESE ALREADY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE. 
          AND, UH, IRONICALLY, IT MAKES THE DOCUMENT LESS USER FRIENDLY. 
          SO, UM, I THINK KEEPING IT, KEEPING IT SHORT AND SWEET, UM, WILL HELP MAKE EVERYBODY'S LIVES BETTER. 
          IF I MAY COMMENT ON THAT CHAIR, YES, YOU WILL NOTE THAT STAFF MADE NO ATTEMPT TO EDIT THE DOCUMENT JUST YET. 
          WE DON'T HAVE YOUR DIRECTION TO DO SO AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COLLABORATE WITH YOU AND TAKE YOUR LEAD ON WHICH ITEMS YOU WISH TO CALL OR COMBINE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S PERHAPS OPPORTUNITIES TO COMBINE CERTAIN SECTIONS, UH, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING YOU'RE, YOU'RE REMOVING OR DISPENSING OF CERTAIN GUIDELINES, BUT THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS AND CONTENT MUCH MORE PRECISE AND MORE CONDENSED. 
          SO CERTAINLY HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HOWARD? THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS RELATED TO SORT OF MEMBERSHIP OF THE WORKING GROUP AND, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR ENGAGING NEW, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING, UH, IF OTHER FOLKS ON THE WORKING GROUP MIGHT HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHERE THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW IN THE DRAFT, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REDISTRIBUTE THE DRAFT FOR COMMENTS FROM NEW MEMBERS, UM, THAT HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT? OR HE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD NO, BUT TERRIFY? I MAY, YES, THAT COULD BE DONE ONLY WITHIN THE WORKING GROUP, BUT IF YOU'RE STARTING TO ASSIGN OTHERS, IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO DISTRIBUTE TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION. 
          YOU CAN POST IT AS BACKUP, THAT'S A LOT EASIER. 
          'CAUSE THEN IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO HAVE DISCUSSION AS A COMMISSION AND ALSO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE WORKING GROUP THAT THAT'S WHAT HELPS IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, IF YOU WISH TO OPEN THAT UP. 
          WE CAN HAVE AT THE NEXT MEETING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DRAFT WITH ALL SORTS OF DRAFT CAVEATS AROUND IT, MAKING SURE THAT ANYONE WHO SEES IT UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S A WORKING DRAFT AND IT'S OKAY IF THEY SEE IT. 
          BUT THEN GIVE THE ABILITY THEN FOR THE COMMISSION AS A BODY TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE WORKING GROUP ON MANY OF THE ELEMENTS YOU TALKED ABOUT TODAY, RATHER THAN REDISTRIBUTING THE DRAFT INTERNALLY, WHICH THEN STARTS TO GET INTO POTENTIAL WALKING QUORUM ISSUES. 
          BUT IF IT'S WITHIN THE WORKING GROUP, THAT'S FINE, BUT NOW YOU ONLY HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DRAFT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, IT MAKES SENSE IN MY HEAD CHAIR, I PROMISE YOU. 
          BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS CLEAR . 
          WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO, IF WE WANTED ALL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE NEED TO POST IT FOR DISCUSSION AND, AND PUT IT AS BACK AS A DRAFT. 
          THAT'S THE CLEANEST WAY CHAIR. 
          'CAUSE IT GIVES YOU THEN THE ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING WITHIN THE DRAFT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHETHER THAT BE FORMATTING DIAGRAMS, BRANDING COLORS, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEN EVERYONE HAS EQUAL ACCESS TO IT, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC. 
          AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONER HOWARD, ARE YOU TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE, UM, THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN? UM, YEAH, 
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I JUST, I, I FEEL LIKE WE HAD KIND OF A, UM, A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO NOW, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, COMMISSIONERS TO COMMENT ON THE DRAFT AS AT, UM, IN IT, IN ITS STATE AT THE TIME. 
          UM, AND I WAS JUST HOPING TO, YOU KNOW, OPEN IT UP ANOTHER ROUND OF COMMENTS, UH, IN THAT SAME MANNER. 
          BUT I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW WE ACHIEVED IT. 
          I THINK IT WAS THE SAME WAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CARROLL, THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS IS NOT THE FINAL DRAFT AND IT'S, ONCE THIS IS COMPLETED, IT'S GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED TO THIS COMMISSION FOR COMMENT AND REVISIONS WILL BE MADE. 
          SO THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT MOVING FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THINKING ABOUT TIMELINE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT DATE WAS FEBRUARY, 2025. 
          UM, UNDERSTANDING LIKE THE BEST PATH FORWARD SOUNDS LIKE A CONVERSATION WITH THE WORKING GROUP ON FORMATTING COLOR, WHATEVER, UM, GRAPHICALLY. 
          UM, AND THEN PROBABLY ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON IMAGERY OF WHAT'S GONNA BE USED AND THEN SOME AI. 
          UM, AS FAR AS INITIATING THAT FIRST CONVERSATION WITH THE WORKING GROUP, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE YOU AND YOUR STAFF THINKING AS FAR AS TIME? IF I MAY CHAIR? YES, PLEASE. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK OUR, OUR TEAM WORK WITH THE WORKING GROUP TO ESTABLISH A DATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S A HOLIDAY NEXT WEEK, SO THAT PERHAPS WILL BE CHALLENGING. 
          THAT'S USUALLY A GREAT DAY TO TAKE A VACATION, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          AND SO PERHAPS NOT NEXT WEEK, BUT WITHIN THE NEXT FOLLOWING COUPLE OF WEEKS, BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE A WORKING GROUP MEETING TO TALK ABOUT MANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          SO WE TOOK NOTES. 
          WE'LL GO BACK AND REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH THE VIDEO ITSELF. 
          WE ARE NOT MEETING IN JULY AS A COMMISSION, THEREFORE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GIVE STAFF AND THE WORKING GROUP THE ABILITY TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. 
          STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK IN AUGUST, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WALK THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAPPEN AT THE WORKING GROUP, POST THE DRAFT VERSION OF THE GUIDELINES, SO THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY AS A COMMISSION TO DISCUSS THAT AMONGST YOU AND GIVE FURTHER DIRECTION BASED ON THAT. 
          AND HOPEFULLY GIVE US THE ABILITY AND THE TIME TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME ACTUAL MOCKUPS BASED ON THE WORKING GROUP DISCUSSION. 
          SO I CAN'T PROMISE YOU THAT WE'LL HAVE THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT DONE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT AT LEAST A FEW PAGES SO YOU CAN START TO SEE THE EVOLUTION OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED. 
          AND THAT AGAIN, GIVES THE COMMISSION THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN OPEN FORUM AND OPEN MEETING WITH THE DRAFT GUIDELINES AS SUBMITTED TODAY AS BACKUP AND SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS AS BACKUP AS WELL TO GIVE STAFF FURTHER DIRECTION. 
          I THINK THAT WILL GIVE US A BETTER SENSE OF TIMING IN TERMS OF THE PRODUCTION OF A, A NEXT VERSION THAT PERHAPS COULD BE THE ONE THAT YOU CONSIDER FOR PUBLIC, UH, DISSEMINATION IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK, UH, LATER ON THIS FALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DID YOU SAY AUGUST OR I I SAID AUGUST TO, TO, TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD ON THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, BASED ON THE DIRECTION FROM THE WORKING GROUP STAFF WILL WORK TO TRY AND PUT TOGETHER A SERIES OF PAGES THAT WILL ILLUSTRATE THAT DISCUSSION, THE THEMATICS, THE ARRANGEMENT, AND SO ON. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN BE ABLE TO HAVE BOTH THOSE MOCKUPS AND THE EXISTING DRAFT WITH ALL STAMPED DRAFT ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          AND, AND IF ANYONE IS TO INQUIRE ABOUT THAT, WE SAY, NO, THAT'S A WORKING DRAFT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE FINAL VERSION AS WAS SAID THIS EVENING. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'LL COME BACK AND THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE'RE NOT AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE ACCEPTING PUBLIC INPUT. 
          IF SOMEONE WISHES TO PROVIDE INPUT, THAT'S FINE. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE IT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THAT'S COMING LATER, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT WORKS HERE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I WAS JUST TRYING TO, MAKING SURE WE JUST DON'T KEEP KIND OF KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN, SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE WORKING GROUP THAT Y'ALL CAN HANDLE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT FORMATTING AND THE, AND THE COLORS AND WHATNOT, KIND OF, AND THEN MAYBE IN AUGUST TAKING A LOOK AT A VERY LOOSE MOCKUP OF WHAT EVERYBODY DECIDED ON IN THE WORKING GROUP. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY STRIVE FOR THAT CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOWARD? UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ARE, IS THERE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GET COMMISSIONER GLI INTO THE WORKING GROUP BEFORE THE AUGUST MEETING? SHE'S ALWAYS WELCOME TO JOIN BECAUSE A WORKING GROUP IS REALLY OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO JOIN. 
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HOWEVER, AS A COMMISSIONER, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SHE NEEDS TO BE VOTED UPON TO PARTICIPATE AS A COMMISSIONER. 
          OKAY. 
          TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, SHE CAN'T JOIN AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, BUT TO REPRESENT THE COMMISSION SHE WOULD NEED TO BE VOTED ON. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. 
          THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE HER IN COMMUNICATIONS? UM, UH, UH, COORDINATING A TIME TO MEET WITH THE WORKING GROUP? N NOT AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION. 
          IT WOULD BE AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. 
          AND IF, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO PROVIDE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IF SHE WERE TO WALK IN AND THERE'S ALREADY FIVE COMMISSIONERS IN THE WORKING GROUP, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S REPRESENTING THE, SHE'S A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, SO THAT WOULD BE A QUORUM. 
          SO WE COULD NOT HAVE SIX MEMBERS ON THE WORKING GROUP. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SO TECHNICAL, BUT THAT, THAT'S A REALLY BIG ISSUE. 
          'CAUSE YOU NOW, YOU'RE, NOW YOU'RE STATING A QUORUM OF THE COMMISSION E EVEN THOUGH SHE HASN'T BEEN VOTED INTO THE WORKING GROUP, BUT ARE SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE CAREFUL TO AVOID QUORUM. 
          SURE. 
          AND, UH, IF, IF WE HAVE, UH, LESS, YOU KNOW, A SUB LESS THAN A SUB QUORUM OR THE LIMITS OF THE SUB QUORUM AND SHE WERE TO SHOW UP, IT'D BE OKAY. 
          SO AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO SIX MEMBERS OR MORE OF THE COMMISSION PRESENT, YOU CAN HAVE FIVE. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COMMUNICATE THE DATES. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT TO, TO COMMISSIONER GALLES WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF, IF FIVE COMMISSIONER SHOWS UP AND THEN SHE SHOWS UP AS WELL, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO DRAW THE SHORT STRAW AND SAY, WELL, I HAVE TO EXIT THE WORKING GROUP BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE A QUORUM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM CHAIR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          BELIEVE THERE WAS A, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER MEKI. 
          UM, THIS IS COM COMPLETELY MY, MY COMMENT, THIS HAS TO DO WITH, WITH SO MANY DISCUSSIONS BEFORE. 
          UM, SO, UH, BACK TO THE DRAFT THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN, 'CAUSE I'M RELATIVELY NEW HERE. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE SEVEN GUIDELINES AND 47, 48 PRINCIPLES AND ALL THAT. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE A PAGE OF SUMMARY, A SUMMARY PAGE THAT LISTS THEM ALL? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALREADY THERE, BUT BASICALLY, HEY, IF I JUST WANNA LOOK AT 48 PRINCIPLES, IS THERE A PAGE THAT SUMMARIZED? THAT'S IT, THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          TH THANK YOU IF I MAY SURE. 
          TO ADDRESS IT. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          THERE IS A, IN THE INITIAL, IN THIS FOLLOW UP VERSION TO THE FIRST DRAFT, THERE'S A SUMMARY TABLE OF ALL THE GUIDELINES. 
          IT, IT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AGAIN, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY YOU WANT TO BRING THAT DRAFT TO THE COMMISSION EVEN AS A DRAFT SO THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO IT. 
          AND YOU CAN BE LOOKING AT THE SAME DOCUMENT, NOT JUST THE WORKING GROUP. 
          SO HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO IT, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE ARRANGEMENT OF HOW THOSE GUIDELINES ARE COMING TO FRUITION. 
          SOUNDS GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL, ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT 
          [4. Discussion of analysis on the Design Commission's recommendations and the final  approved Downtown Density Bonus Program projects from the past ten years.]
ITEM FOR DISCUSSION. 
          IT'S THE, UM, ANALYSIS OF THE DESIGN COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE FINAL APPROVED DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM PROJECTS FROM THE PAST 10 YEARS. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE THE BACKUP IN FRONT OF ME, AND I CAN'T RECALL THE TWO PROJECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THIS MONTH. 
          UM, SO IF, IF THERE'S ONE THAT ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL LIKE THEY WANT TO DISCUSS FIRST, UH, PARDON ME. 
          CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          IS THIS WORKING OKAY? IS IT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT IS, UM, THE TWO PROJECTS THAT Y'ALL SELECTED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS 17TH AND GUADALUPE APARTMENTS, AND THEN IT WAS THE MARRIOTT AT CAESAR CHAVEZ. 
          OKAY. 
          TRYING TO PULL IT UP ON MY PHONE. 
          I CHAIR WHO MAY, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, YES, PLEASE. 
          17TH. 
          AND, UH, GUADALUPE IS LISTED FIRST IN THE BACKUP, SO IF YOU WANTED TO START THERE JUST IN THE ORDER THAT IT APPEARS IN THE BACKUP, THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, WHERE DO WE START? I MEAN, UM, I CAN, I'M HAPPY TO START . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          FEEL FREE. 
          UM, SO, UH, 17TH AND GUADALUPE PROJECT, I BELIEVE IS, UH, ALSO BRANDED AS THE LINDEN. 
          UM, AND IT, UH, WAS PRESENTED TO US AS A CONDO DEVELOPMENT, 
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UM, WITH RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          UM, HISTORICALLY, UH, I BELIEVE THE CONVERSATION WAS THEY WERE TRYING TO LURE A GROCERY TENANT. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS EVER ACHIEVED, UM, OR IF THERE WAS ANY TENANT, UH, AT ALL. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE, UM, UH, MEMORIES THAT I HAVE OF THIS, EVEN FROM WHEN IT CAME BEFORE US, WAS, UH, THE, UH, PROMINENCE AND MATERIALITY OF THE PARKING PODIUM. 
          UM, SO THE SCREENING THAT THEY WERE USING, UM, I THINK WE SHARED SOME CONCERNS THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UNAPPEALING, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY SUBJECTIVE. 
          UM, I THINK WE ASKED THAT THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO USE SOMETHING THAT, UH, WAS ARTISTIC. 
          UM, AND SO IN MY EXPERIENCE, JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT, UM, FORUMS THAT ARE KIND OF INDUSTRY, UH, LEVEL, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT JUST HOW AESTHETICALLY UNPLEASING THAT SCREENING IS. 
          UM, AND I KNOW LIKE IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UH, JURISDICTION ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD, BUT JUST FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UM, PURVIEW, UM, INTO, UM, ESTABLISHING COMPLIANCE WITH, WITH THE MATERIALS SELECTED FOR PARKING PODIUMS NOR HOW PARKING PODIUMS ARE CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, IT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THEIR URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT'S ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS IT WAS AN, AN AREA THAT WE SAW, UM, AS AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, AND IT CONTINUES TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE OPPORTUNITY OF ADDRESSING SCREENING IN, IN A YEAH. 
          JUST PARKING PODIUMS IN GENERAL. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH YEAH. 
          UM, PURVIEW IN THAT REGARD TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION BEYOND JUST OUR OWN SUBJECTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IT'S NOT BACKED UP BY THE GUIDELINES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN UPDATES TO THE GUIDELINES, UM, IS HOW IS THIS, IS THIS BEING ADDRESSED DIFFERENTLY OR MORE DETAIL? I, IT'S UNKNOWN. 
          COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HOWARD. 
          UM, IT IS DEFINITELY ADDRESSED. 
          UM, I HAVE BEEN A AWAY FROM THE GUIDELINES PROJECT FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW, SO I'D HAVE TO REFRESH MY MEMORY. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, ABOUT SCREENING, UM, SCREENING MECHANICAL AND MOTOR VEHICLE USE AREAS, AND THERE'S ALSO CONVERSATION ABOUT ACTIVATION, UM, INCLUDING ACTIVATION BEYOND THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          UM, AND, AND SO YOU'LL SEE IT KIND OF CAPTURED IN BOTH OF THOSE PIECES. 
          UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE, I'VE WORKED ON, ON REGULATIONS AROUND KIND OF THE PARKING PODIUM IN LOS ANGELES, UM, QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF, OF, UM, GUIDELINE OR STANDARDS YOU CAN USE TO LOOK INTO THESE THINGS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE GUIDELINES WERE FIRST, UH, DRAFTED IN, OR WHEN FIRST ADOPTED IN 1999, THERE WEREN'T A TON OF PARKING PODIUMS, UM, IN DOWNTOWN AUSTIN. 
          THERE WERE A LOT OF PARKING LOTS, UM, AND, UH, A FEW PARKING GARAGES FOR SURE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, THE PROMINENCE OF THAT, UM, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, TYPE OF THE, THE TOWER WITH THE PO PARKING PODIUM IS, UM, IT DEFINITELY HAS A MASSIVE IMPACT ON, ON DOWNTOWN AND, UM, ANYWHERE THAT ALLOWS HIGH RISE. 
          HMM. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GILLES, I HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THE DENSITY BONUS REQUIREMENT FOR PROJECTS TO PROVIDE PUBLIC AMENITY AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT OR AS PART OF THE, UH, PROGRAM OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE IN THE FORM OF, UM, PARK SPACE OR PUBLIC PROGRAM. 
          UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE COVERED BY A FEE IN LIEU, OR IS IT A REQUIREMENT TO BE PROVIDED? RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          SO IN 25 2, 5 8 6 E AS AN ECHO ONE THROUGH 11, THERE ARE 11 SPECIFIC COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE CODE. 
          THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY PUBLIC AMENITIES, THEY'RE LABELED AS COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          THERE'S A KIND OF A CATCHALL UNDER 
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E AS IN ECHO 12, THAT IS LABELED OTHER COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          AND IT PROVIDES THE ABILITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT IS NOT LISTED WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE CODE. 
          YOU'VE SEEN THIS IN AT LEAST TWO PROJECTS NEAR SHOAL CREEK, WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED A MONETARY CONTRIBUTION FOR PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN AND AROUND SHOAL CREEK, MOSTLY AROUND MINIMIZING THE IMPACT OF FLOODING, UH, CONCERNS IN THE AREA, ALSO TO THE BRIDGE AND, UH, PEDESTRIAN, UH, BRIDGE AND TRESTLE AROUND THIRD STREET AS WELL, THAT GOES OVER SHOAL CREEK. 
          SO THAT'S ONE MECHANISM. 
          BUT THE, THE PROGRAM ITSELF DOESN'T CALL FOR SPECIFIC PUBLIC AMENITIES. 
          IT, IT DOES LIST THEM AS COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT, UH, I CAN, JUST TO PROVIDE YOU AN EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE A 40 AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT THE PROGRAM, IT'S THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM ALLOWS FOR A FEE IN LIEU FOR UP TO 50%. 
          SO 50% OF THE BONUS AREA MUST BE COVERED BY AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY BENEFIT IN THE FORM OF FEE IN LIEU OR ONSITE PROVISION OF, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AND THERE'S A FORMULA IN THE CODE ITSELF AS TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND SO ON. 
          AND THE OTHERS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, ELEMENTS LIKE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, COMMUNITY BENEFITS, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE DAYCARE SERVICES CULTURAL USES, AND THAT'S DEFINED AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. 
          SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY BENEFITS HAVE NOT BEEN USED OR POPULAR BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD FROM DEVELOPERS SAYING THAT THEY CANNOT CONDITION THE ABILITY TO GAIN BONUS AREA AROUND A DAYCARE SERVICE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE NOTION AND UNDERSTANDING THAT PERHAPS THE DAYCARE DOESN'T MAKE IT FOR SOME REASON. 
          BUT THE BONUS AREA IS CONDITIONED UPON THE DAYCARE SERVICE BEING PART OF THE DESIGN SOLUTION. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE. 
          THAT'S BEEN ONE I HAVE NOT SEEN IN MY LONG TENURE WITH, WITH THE PROGRAM ITSELF BEING USED BECAUSE OF THAT VERY FACT THAT DEVELOPERS ARE EXTREMELY RELUCTANT TO SAY, THERE'S NO WAY I COULD GUARANTEE THAT A DAYCARE SERVICE WOULD BE IN PERPETUITY IN THE BUILDING ITSELF OR IN THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THEY OFTEN CHOOSE ONE OF THE OTHER COMMITTEE BENEFITS, AND MORE OFTEN IT'S THE FEE IN LIEU FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL, THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AT 17TH AND GUADALUPE DID OPT TO PAY THE FEE AND LIE, UM, INSTEAD OF PROVIDING THAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT, I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION. 
          IS THERE A TIMEFRAME FOR PROVIDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THE FEES ARE ASSESSED AT THE TIME OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          SO BEFORE THAT IS ISSUED, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, UH, GOES BACK TO THE OFFICIAL CERTIFICATION LETTER AND REVIEWS ANY CHANGES TO THE DESIGN. 
          DOES THESE OFTEN COME IN TERMS OF A SITE PLAN UPDATE OR SITE PLAN CORRECTION THAT OFTENTIMES HAVE MINOR CHANGES IN THE CALCULATION OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE OFTENTIMES YOU SEE A DOWNWARD TREND, UH, WHERE THE FINAL FAR IF A PROJECT WAS ENTITLED UP TO 30 TO ONE FAR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ACTUAL FINAL FAR IN THE CO IS LISTED AS 28.96, JUST JUST TO THROW OUT A NUMBER. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE FEES ARE CALCULATED AT THAT FINAL NUMBER. 
          THE PROJECT ITSELF IS ENTITLED UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 30 TO ONE. 
          AND IT'S OKAY IF IT'S UNDER THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAXIMUM FAR. 
          THEY CANNOT EXCEED THE 30 TO ONE. 
          SO ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME YOU SEE A DOWNWARD TREND, SLIGHTLY DOWNWARD TREND ON THE FAR, BECAUSE THE FINAL DESIGN AND THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS HAVE MODIFIED THE FAR JUST SLIGHTLY FROM EVEN WHAT YOU SAW AT THE DESIGN COMMISSION AND EVEN WHAT STAFF REVIEWED THE FINAL CALCULATIONS DONE AT THE TIME OF CEO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FINAL, FINAL NUMBER. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY MOVING INTO THE BUILDING AT THAT TIME, VICE CHAIR MINERS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE TO REVIEW THE BACKUP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO SEE IF IT'S CAPTURED HERE, BUT I KNOW, UM, FROM PUBLIC RENDERINGS, UH, THAT WE SAW, UM, THAT, UM, THERE WERE SOME, UH, KIND OF AWNINGS THAT THEY WERE USING TO PROTECT 
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THE PEDESTRIAN, UM, FROM ELEMENTS AND TO PROVIDE SHADE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE MADE THAT FINAL, IF THEY MADE IT INTO THE FINAL PRODUCT. 
          UM, I'M SEEING SOME PHOTOS WHERE IT'S NOT THERE, SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AT A LATER POINT IN TIME, UM, OR MAYBE THEY'RE, UM, EXPECTING THE TENANT TO INSTALL THAT. 
          BUT I, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A POTENTIAL DISCREPANCY FROM WHAT WAS PROPOSED VERSUS WHAT WAS EXECUTED. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT WHERE THEY'VE SEEN THE STREETSCAPE AND ARE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I HAVE NOT. 
          NO. 
          UM, JUST BASING ON, UH, QUICK, UH, GOOGLE STREET VIEW, LOOK, IT DOES SEEM THAT THEY HAVE SOME CANOPIES. 
          THEY DON'T LOOK OBVIOUSLY LIKE THE, THE ELEVATION RENDERINGS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL, BUT THEY DO HAVE A PRETTY ELABORATE, UM, CANOPY, UH, ON THE GUADALUPE SIDE, UH, THAT RUNS MAYBE HALF OF THE BUILDING LENGTH, AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER, UM, OVER THE, UH, ENTRY ALONG 17TH AS WELL AS THE OVERHANG, UM, TO THE CORNER ENTRY. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BUILDING? UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD? UM, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE, UM, THE AUTOMOBILE ACCESS AS WELL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TAKING, THEY'RE TAKING ACCESS OFF OF 17TH, WHICH MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, UM, AND THEY'RE DOING IT PROBABLY AS CLOSE TO THE CORNER AS THEY WERE ALLOWED. 
          UM, BUT THIS, THIS SITE IS ALLEY LOADED. 
          UM, AND THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE, WE HAVE THAT COMES UP QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, GETTING GARAGE ACCESS ON THE ALLEY? UM, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, I THINK GARAGE ACCESS, UM, HAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST, UH, IMPACTFUL SORT OF, UM, UH, PRESENCES, UM, IN THE PEDESTRIAN REALM. 
          UM, AND SO YEAH, AS WELL AS, UM, CONFLICTS AROUND, YOU KNOW, DANGEROUS INTERACTIONS BETWEEN CARS, ESPECIALLY THOSE COMING DOWN, UH, OFF OF A RAMP. 
          UM, AND, AND, UH, NOT REALLY LOOKING OUT FOR PEDESTRIANS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THERE, IN ADDITION TO JUST HAVING THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS, UM, CROSSING THE PEDESTRIAN REALM ON 17TH RATHER THAN IN THE ALLEY, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF DESIGN, UM, UH, DESIGN DETAILS THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE THAT, THAT INDICATE THAT THE DRIVEWAY OR THE AUTOMOBILE ACCESS IS ACTUALLY THE PRIMARY, UH, AND HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THE STANDARD DRIVEWAY, UM, DETAILS TYPES ONE, TWO, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THIS IS, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE JUST A STANDARD DRIVEWAY DETAIL THAT HAS A, UM, A MONOLITHIC, WELL, NOT QUITE MONOLITHIC, BUT, UH, A LARGE CONCRETE APRON, UH, THAT TURNS INTO, THAT CONTINUES ACROSS THE SIDEWALK, UM, SHOWING VISUALLY THERE'S LIKE A LIGHT PATTERN OF CONCRETE WHERE THE, WHERE VEHICLES TRAVEL, AND THEN A DARK PAVER WHERE PEDESTRIANS GO. 
          AND SO THAT DARK PAVER IS DISCONTINUED FOR THE DRIVEWAY. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT GIVES THE INDICATION VISUALLY AND, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGNER, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF IDENTIFY THAT AND BE LIKE, OH, THAT'S, THAT THE DRIVEWAY IS, IS THE PRIMARY SPACE THERE. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP THAT WE HAVE LOOKED TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT IN THE, IN THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SEE, UM, HOW THE COMMISSION RELATES TO THOSE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONER HOWARD'S COMMENT GENERAL TO OFFER MY SUPPORT? I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REALLY PRIORITIZE IN THE, IN THE WORKING GROUP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT AND, AND I GUESS HEARING IT MORE AND MORE, UH, FROM THIS COMMISSION, IT'S REALLY, REALLY, UH, STICKING TO ME AS FAR AS, UH, PUSHING THIS INTO THIS, UH, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ROUTES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER REALLY GIVEN IT AS MUCH THOUGHT AS I HAVE UNTIL WE STARTED DISCUSSING IT AS FAR AS UNDERSTANDING THAT PEDESTRIAN REALM AND IDENTIFYING THAT AS A PRIMARY ROUTE AND 
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THE, UH, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AS A SECONDARY, I'M ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT SAFETY REALLY, AND UNDERSTANDING THE CONFLICT THERE. 
          BUT, UM, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU THAT MENTIONED IT, AND, UH, LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, UH, WAS UNDERSTANDING IT LIKE, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A SIDEWALK FOR PEDESTRIANS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND THEN, AND THEY GET THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEY GET, THEY SHOULD BE DEFINITELY PRIORITY. 
          UM, SO LOOKING AT IT AS PUSHING THINGS TO THE ALLEY, I'M CURIOUS ON THE ALL SIDE OF THINGS, UM, STAFF SIDE AS FAR AS WHAT ARE SOME OF THE HURDLES THAT Y'ALL GET ON WHY THINGS AREN'T IN THE ALLEY? EXCELLENT QUESTION CHAIR. 
          AND ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT WE OFTEN ARE FACED WITH IS THE LOCATION OF UTILITIES AND VAULTS THAT ARE OFTEN PUSHED TO THE ALLEY. 
          THE TRADE OFF IS THAT IF YOU DON'T PUT 'EM IN THE ALLEY, YOU'RE PLACING THEM ON THE PRINCIPAL STREETS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHEN THERE'S ALLEY ACCESS, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE, UH, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF A PROJECT HAS, IS EITHER A MIDBLOCK OR HALF BLOCK, OR EVEN CORNER LOT CONFIGURATION, OFTENTIMES WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO PLACE THOSE UTILITIES AND ELEMENTS TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, WHICH THEN IN TURN MEANS THAT YOU'RE PLACING THE ACCESS AT SOME OF THE PRINCIPAL STREETS FOR CIRCULATION, FOR ACCESS, AND TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THOSE UTILITIES ON THE STREET FRONTAGES THAT WILL IMPEDE THE PLACEMENT OF STREET TREES, PAVING MATERIALS, LIGHTING, AND SO ON. 
          THE TIMES THAT WE'VE HAD THOSE ELEMENTS WITHIN PRINCIPAL STREETS, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT HAS TO BE GIVEN TO VAULTS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND UTILITY CONNECTIONS AND HOOKUPS THAT DOESN'T ALLOW STREET TREES, BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, BENCHES, OR EVEN LIGHTING POLES TO BE PLACED IN FRONT OF THOSE ELEMENTS. 
          SO IT, IT CREATES A SIGNIFICANT DESIGN CHALLENGE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE ALMOST HAVE TO STRIKE A BALANCE. 
          IT DOESN'T WORK OUT QUITE WELL IN EVERY PROJECT, BUT WE TRY AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN MINIMIZE THE PHYSICAL IMPACT ON THE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE PRINCIPAL STREETS. 
          COMMISSIONER HOWARD, UH, THANK YOU. 
          I, I WANTED TO IDENTIFY, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS, IS A BIT PECULIAR FOR AUSTIN THAT CAUSES SOME OF, UM, SOME OF THOSE CONFLICTS AS FAR AS WE JUST, WE HAVE SO MUCH BACKUP HOUSE IN AUSTIN, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE VAULTS, WE'VE GOT LOADING, WE'VE GOT, UM, GARBAGE, WE'VE GOT FIRE PUMP ROOM, WE'VE, UM, WE'VE GOT OUR GARAGE ENTRY. 
          YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE FIT ALL OF THIS STUFF ON ONE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK, UH, OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, AND I, AND ONE OF THE, THE LARGEST, UM, SPACE CONSUMERS, UH, OF BACK OF HOUSE IS THE A TRANSFORMER VAULTS. 
          UM, THIS, UH, THIS PRACTICE OF HAVING AT GRADE TRANSFORMER VAULTS, UM, ESPECIALLY IN AN URBAN HIGH-RISE ENVIRONMENT, IS, IS QUITE STRANGE. 
          UM, MAYBE NOT OUT, MAYBE NOT IN TEXAS, UM, OR THE SOUTH, BUT, UM, IN OTHER, UM, URBANIZED, UH, PLACES THAT HAVE WALKABILITY AS A, AS A PRIORITY, UM, AND KIND OF A LE MORE OF A LEGACY OF URBANISM, UM, A L UH, IN THOSE PLACES, UH, TRANSFORMER VAULTS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SORT OF CONDITION, TEND TO BE UNDERGROUND. 
          UM, AND THEREFORE DON'T TAKE AS MUCH BACK OF HOUSE SPACE. 
          UH, THERE HAS TO BE ACCESS TO THE TRANSFORMER, UM, AT, UM, IN THE BACK OF HOUSE ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, BUT I THINK THAT PART OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE IS, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD REALLY STRONG REPRESENTATION, UH, FROM AN URBAN DESIGN PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO CRITERIA, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE CRITERIA, LIKE IN THE CRITERIA MANUALS OR IN CODE, UM, UH, TO, TO, UH, PUT SORT OF CONSTRAINTS AROUND SOME OF THOSE ENGINEERED INFRASTRUCTURES AND, UM, AND TO START CONVERSATIONS AROUND TRADE-OFFS. 
          UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY AS GUIDELINES, URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES AREN'T GOING TO HAVE THE, THE FORCE OF LAW OR, UM, AND IT, THEY'LL ONLY HAVE THE, UM, THEY'LL ONLY HAVE THE CREDIBILITY THAT ADMINISTRATORS OFFER TO THEM. 
          UM, AND SO WE, I THINK, UH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO START CONVERSATIONS, UM, AROUND THOSE OFFS WITH SOME OF, UH, WITH AUSTIN ENERGY, AUSTIN WATER, ET CETERA, FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HOWARD, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT? 
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COMMISSIONER GALLES? JUST ONE, UM, OBSERVATION THAT I'VE COME ACROSS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 
          I THINK DURING MY SOMEWHAT SHORT TIME ON THE DESIGN COMMISSION, I OFTEN SEE, UM, AT THE BASE OF THESE TOWERS, A A RATHER LARGE SORT OF OPEN LOBBY, UM, ADJACENT TO WHAT THEY, WHAT'S JUST CALLED SORT OF RETAIL SPACE. 
          AND IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I'M SEEING A SEMI, UM, COMPACT LOBBY AND THEN GALLERY LEASE SPACE WITH RETAIL, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE. 
          BUT I OFTEN HAVE SEEN SORT OF VERY, VERY LARGE, DEEP INTO THE PLAN RETAIL SPACE WITH, YOU KNOW, 14 FOOT HIGH CEILINGS THAT SITS UNLEASED FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO ACTIVATING THE STREETSCAPE IN ANY WAY. 
          AND I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO, UM, SORT OF ACCOUNT FOR THAT OR PUT MY FINGER ON IT. 
          IS IT JUST SORT OF A TIMING THING? AND THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW BUILDING. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE RESTAURANT SPACE HAS BEEN OCCUPIED BY NOW. 
          I BELIEVE THIS WAS COMPLETED IN 2024, PERHAPS SINCE THEN, SOMEONE HAS MOVED IN, BUT SEEMS TO BE A SORT OF COMBINATION OF RENT PRICES IN DOWNTOWN, BUT ALSO JUST THE GENERAL SCALE OF THESE GROUND FLOOR UNITS, UM, IN THAT THEY ARE BEING LEFT UNOCCUPIED FOR SIGNIFICANT LENGTHS OF TIME. 
          UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANNA SORT OF KEEP LOOKING AT AND QUERYING, UH, BECAUSE I THINK AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH FOLKS WHO COME TO THE WORKING GROUP TO SEEK APPROVAL FROM THE DESIGN COMMISSION, UM, I WOULD POSE THE QUESTION, WHY NOT SMALLER RENTABLE RETAIL SPACES? WHY SUCH LARGE FOOTPRINTS FOR THE RETAIL SPACES? UM, SO IF, IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION ALREADY, ANYBODY HERE AND CAN COMMENT ON THAT, I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, BUT I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT AS A GENERAL OBSERVATION. 
          COMMISSIONER HOWARD, I, I OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER FOR THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT, UM, AND PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I HAVE FOUND IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LONG HISTORY OF, UM, DEVELOPERS THAT ARE TRULY MIXED USE. 
          UM, THEY'RE USUALLY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS THAT WILL DO A GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL IF THEY, IF YOU MAKE THEM, UM, OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, WHATEVER FAR THEY CAN GET IN ORDER TO PUT OFFICE OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS IN THERE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY, THE, THE IDEA OF, UM, A DEVELOPER THAT IS, IS, IS EQUALLY INTERESTED IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SMALL FLOOR AREA THAT IS, UM, THAT IS ACTIVE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL AMENITY SPACE, UH, VERSUS THE, THE REST OF THE FAR. 
          UM, USUALLY THE DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE IS PROBABLY A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE LESS INTERESTED OR LESS, IT HAS LESS, HAVE LESS EXPERTISE IN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S ONE ELEMENT. 
          AND THEN I THINK THAT THE SCALE, UM, OFTENTIMES WHAT I'VE SEEN IS, UM, I MEAN, DEFINITELY NOT WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, BUT OTHERS, YOU'LL HAVE REALLY LARGE GROUND FLOOR TENANTS, UH, OR TENANT SPACES. 
          AND AS OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, THEY'LL DIVIDE THEM. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE IT AS A LARGE SHELL UNTIL THEY HAVE THEIR FIRST, UM, TENANT AND BUILD OUT. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PARTIALLY DUE TO THOSE SAME, THE SAME ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT PRIMARILY, UM, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS PERHAPS. 
          UM, AND, AND SO THEY, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A, A CLEAR MARKET FEASIBLE VISION FOR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THAT GROUND FLOOR. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE CASE OF THIS PROJECT, UM, THERE IS A REALLY DEEP, UH, RETAIL SPACE ALONG A, A BLANK WALL. 
          UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD I, I WONDER IF WE CAN'T FIND SOME MORE DESIGN SOLUTIONS FOR TAKING UP SOME OF THAT REAL, UM, RETAIL DEPTH, UH, TO CONSOLIDATE, UH, SOME OF THE BACK OF HOUSE, UM, AND GET SHALLOWER RETAIL SPACE, UH, THAT'S, THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE BROKEN UP INTO SMALLER TENANT SPACES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? MOVE CHAIR? JUST ON THAT, ON THAT LAST POINT, I THINK WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT A PROJECT THAT I THINK THIS CAME UP ON, WHERE THERE WAS SORT OF A BIG, VERY NONDESCRIPT, UH, GROUND FLOOR. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE WILL GO DEAL WITH THIS SPACE HERE. 
          WE PUT IN YOUR USES. 
          AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION ON THE DAIS, UM, CENTERED ON 
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THE FLEXIBILITY OF THAT SPACE. 
          AND I THINK IF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE, WE WERE TOLD THAT BASICALLY IT COULD BE PARTITIONED IN SUCH A WAY TO BE FLEX SPACE. 
          AND WE WERE LIKE, WELL, I GUESS I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT 'CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVEN'T SHOWN ME ALL THE DRAWING IN THIS CASE. 
          I THINK THE, THE SINGLE ENTRY IS, I, I I, I'M TRYING TO GRASP AT THE THINGS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET A HOLD OF IN TERMS OF PROMOTING THAT SORT OF FUTURE PROOFING, ADAPTABILITY, UM, AND PERHAPS THE, YOU KNOW, ABILITY TO HAVE A SECOND ENTRANCE AND FOR COMPARTMENTALIZING OR, UM, ARE THERE HOOKUPS FOR A BATHROOM? I MEAN, THERE'S NO BATHROOM IN THIS SPACE. 
          UM, SO I COULDN'T WORK THERE. 
          UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THE ACTUAL THINGS WE CAN HANG ON TO, UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE WORKING GROUP HAS A LOT OF LANGUAGE ABOUT FLEXIBILITY IN THE, IN THE GUIDELINES. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT AS, UH, AS THE FULL COMMISSION, UM, ENTERS KINDA THE STAKEHOLDER PHASE OF, OF REVIEWING THOSE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN MINOR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, WEBSITE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND I JUST THINK THERE'S, UH, SOMETHING KIND OF TWISTED  ABOUT THEM, UM, WITHIN THEIR FIRST, YOU KNOW, UH, PARAGRAPH MARKETING THIS AS LIVING WITHIN AUSTIN'S ART DISTRICT. 
          AND I GUESS WHEN THEY CAME TO US INITIALLY THEY WERE PROPOSING THIS GALLERY SPACE, BUT WITHOUT THAT, THERE'S REALLY NO ART  FOR THE PUBLIC, UM, IN WHAT IS DEEMED BY THEM AS THE ARTS DISTRICT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE ARTS DISTRICT, BUT THEY'RE CLEARLY AWARE OF WHERE THEY ARE. 
          SO I JUST, I FIND THAT KIND OF, UM, CRUEL  IN A WAY THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF IT AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT PROJECT HERE. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          IT'S THE, THE MARRIOTT, UH, CESAR CHAVEZ. 
          ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENT? MY PHONE IS ABOUT TO DIE HERE, COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR, MINORS. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          I PROBABLY HAVE MORE COMMENT, BUT JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK THIS IS THE STRUCTURE THAT HAS THIS STRANGE, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DESCRIBE THE SPACE, BUT I, I THINK IT WAS INTENDED FOR A DIFFERENT USE THAN HOW IT'S BEING, UH, UTILIZED RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, IT'S ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          UM, IT SEPARATES THE BUILDING, UM, WITH A, THERE'S LIKE A PARKING, UH, ELEMENT OR A DRIVEWAY, I GUESS, UM, THAT SEPARATES IT. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A WEIRD SQUARE AREA WITH BENCHES. 
          I THINK THIS IS THE SAME BUILDING . 
          UM, SO THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS JUST WEIRD. 
          AND I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE INTENT WAS BEHIND THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS, I THINK THIS IS, UH, TO KIND OF CONTRAST THIS WITH THE LAST, UH, PROJECT THAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER GILLIS YOU PICKED UP ON THIS, UM, JUST THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, PRIVATE AMENITY SPACES, UM, IN THIS CASE, UM, WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A PRIVATE AMENITY DECK, UM, WAS ACTUALLY, UH, UTILIZED FOR, UM, A PUBLIC SPACE, UH, AND IS NOW OCCUPIED BY THE ZANZIBAR. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S EXEMPLARY FOR HOW YOU CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT'S EXCLUSIVE, PROVIDE SOME COMMUNITY BENEFIT, UH, BY OFFERING THAT, UM, TYPE OF AMENITY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THAT'S KIND OF EXEMPLARY. 
          THERE ARE OTHER THINGS ABOUT IT THOUGH THAT I, I THINK, UM, LIKE THE GROUND FLOOR ALONG CESAR CHAVEZ, UM, DOES FEEL VERY, UM, KIND OF WALLED OFF. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH IT DOES HAVE, UH, A RESTAURANT SPACE, UM, I WANT TO SAY THE SOUTH, UH, STREET AT, AT STREET LEVEL ON THE SOUTH, I THINK IT, UM, DOES HAVE SOME KIND OF INDOOR OUTDOOR ELEMENTS. 
          UM, SO I THINK CARRYING THAT OVER TO CESAR CHAVEZ MIGHT HAVE BEEN, UM, HELPFUL TO HELP ACTIVATE IT. 
          THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER HOWARD. 
          UM, MY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE, UH, REVOLVE MOSTLY AROUND THE CHE, UM, AND, UH, VEHICULAR ACCESS. 
          UM, I WASN'T HERE, UH, WHEN Y'ALL, UH, REVIEWED THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND I, I DID 
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HEAR THAT, UM, PERHAPS THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO HAVE LIKE A, A FOOD TRUCK OR SOMETHING IN THE, IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER WHERE IT'S KIND OF JUST, UH, EMPTY SPACE, UM, BETWEEN THE PORT RICOCHET IN THE STREET. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, AS, UM, AS A VERY IMPORTANT STREET CORNER, THE INTERSECTION OF SAN JACINTO AND, UM, SEARS CHAVEZ, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY HOLDING THE CORNER VERY WELL. 
          UM, UH, SO WE DON'T, WE HAVE JUST AUTO ORIENTED USES AT THE INTERSECTION THERE. 
          UM, UH, AND AS A COMMISSION, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE PERMANENCE AND WHAT YOU CAN RELY ON, UM, FOR ACTUAL, UM, OPERATIONS, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE LIKE A FOOD TRUCK, UM, TO BE MAINTAINED IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD DIRECTION FOR US TO GO. 
          THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO INVEST IN AS A PERMANENT, UM, IMPROVEMENT, UH, THAT, THAT WILL HAVE PUBLIC BENEFIT ALONG THE STREET. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER, AND THE OTHER PIECE IS JUST KIND OF A, AS FAR AS CHES ARE CONCERNED, I SUPPOSE THIS ONE IS, UM, IS PRETTY, IS RELATIVELY DECENT FROM AN URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT, BUT, UH, GENERALLY PORT CLICHES ARE BAD URBAN DESIGN. 
          UM, AND IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS THEY RELATE TO BOTH ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING TO THE STREET, UM, BUT ALSO, UM, THE INTERACTION, UH, BETWEEN THE VEHICLES, UH, AND THE, THE STREETSCAPE AND KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY HAVING A DRIVEWAY ON PRIMARY STREET AND SIDE STREET, UM, AND ALLEYWAY. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE THERE WERE SOME NUANCED DESIGN MOVES THAT WERE MADE TO MAKE THIS VERY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, CONVENTIONAL BUILDING TYPE AROUND, YOU KNOW, A A, A CONFERENCE, UH, HOTEL SORT OF SPACE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT WORK IN A DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT, I THINK THAT THERE WERE MAYBE TOO MANY COMPROMISES MADE AND WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, FROM, AS AN URBAN DESIGN COMMISSIONER, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD STRIVE FOR, UM, MORE COMPROMISE FROM THE TYPOLOGY AND LESS COMPROMISE IN URBAN DESIGN. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          COMMISSIONER CARROLL, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          I, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER HOWARD MADE. 
          UM, I THINK THERE WAS, THIS PROJECT MADE A LOT OF GOOD MOVES, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHY I THINK IT WAS APPROVED. 
          ALTHOUGH, UM, IT WAS NOT A UNANIMOUS DECISION. 
          I THINK WE LEARNED OUR LESSON ON THE, THE FOOD TRUCK. 
          THIS WAS PROBABLY THE HEIGHT OF THE FOOD TRUCK CRAZE AND EVERYONE BOUGHT INTO IT, AND IT'S JUST USED AS A PLACE THAT SMOKERS GO AND SMOKE NOW ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT IT'S FOR. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I DO APPRECIATE IT. 
          IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, USE THE ALLEY AS ACCESS AND, AND THEN IT WAS ALSO, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST AND O YOU KNOW, FEW THAT I KNOW OF THAT, UM, ACTUALLY HAS THE AUSTIN ENERGY VAULT BELOW GRADE. 
          AND THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A BIG DEAL AT THE TIME. 
          UM, WELL, I GUESS STILL IS 'CAUSE NOT NOT EVERYBODY DOES THAT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S LESSONS LEARNED ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT, BUT, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT I THINK WERE GOOD EXAMPLES TO, TO FOR OTHER PROJECTS TOO. 
          COMMISSIONER WITCHER, CHAIR COMMISSIONER, UH, HOWARD WAS SPEAKING EARLIER ON THE OTHER PROJECT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE AE VAULTS AND, AND WHETHER THAT WAS AN AREA WHERE THIS, THIS BODY COULD MAKE A, A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL FOR, UH, CODE CHANGE. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT, UH, IDEA TO, TO, FOR US TO LEVERAGE. 
          UM, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH'S MEETING THAT YOU WEREN'T AT, WE ACTUALLY HAD A SIMILAR CONVERSATION, UM, ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT THIS BODY MIGHT TILT AT TO, UM, UH, ACHIEVE SOME OF OUR GOALS FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT. 
          I THINK HAVING PARKING PLANS COUNT TOWARD FAR WAS ONE THAT WAS SUGGESTED AND HAS POPPED UP IN CITY DOCUMENTS ALREADY. 
          SO, UM, JUST, UH, RE-UPPING MY APPROVAL FOR THIS BODY, UM, MAYBE AFTER SUMMER RECESS COMING BACK AND SAYING WE'D LIKE TO AGGREGATE A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TANDEM WITH THE UPDATE OF THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WOULD HELP MAKE THEM MORE ACHIEVABLE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THIS PROJECT SUPER WELL. 
          I, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT STREET VIEW BEFORE MY LAPTOP BATTERY DIED. 
          UM, THIS DOES, UH, A RARE 
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THING IN AUSTIN WHERE THE SECOND FLOOR IS ACTUALLY ACTIVATED. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE WORKING GROUP HAS PUT A LOT MORE EMPHASIS ON SECOND FLOOR ACTIVATION AND ALSO SPECIFICALLY BALCONY ACTIVATION. 
          SO THERE'S, IN SOME WAYS IT'S AWESOME THAT THIS PROJECT HAS THAT SECOND FLOOR THAT'S ACTIVE TO THE STREETSCAPE, BUT IT'S ALSO DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T ENG IF IF THERE WERE MORE, IF THAT WAS OUT AN OUTDOOR AREA, IT MIGHT ENGAGE WITH THE STREETSCAPE IN, IN BETTER WAYS. 
          SO WORK LEFT TO BE DONE, BUT I KNOW THE, THE, UH, THE SAD REALITY OF OUR PARKING PLANTS RIGHT NOW MEANS THAT SECOND STORY IS VERY, VERY RARELY ARTICULATED IN ANY BUILDING. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT THERE. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER HOWARD BEAT ME TO THE PORT CASHIER. 
          UM, UH, I WILL SIMPLY SAY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID. 
          , CAN YOU ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ARE Y'ALL STILL REVIEWING OR SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OR SO? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO 
          [5. Discussion and action to select Downtown Density Bonus Program projects from the past  ten years to conduct analysis on the Design Commission's recommendation and the final  approved project. Sponsors: Chair Salinas and Vice Chair Meiners.]
OUR NEXT DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, IN OUR NEXT MEETING? UM, DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM TO SEC SELECT ANOTHER DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROJECT FROM THE PAST 10 YEARS? YES. 
          SORRY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF, UM, REVIEWING THE PAST PROJECTS? ARE WE TRYING TO GET SOME LESSONS LEARNED AND CAN WE, IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND CAN WE TABLET THEM AND, UM, MAKE THEM INTO SOME ACTION ITEMS OR, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, THE, THE GOAL IS TO LOOK AT PAST PROJECTS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN UTILIZE THAT INFORMATION TO AS, AS THESE GUIDELINES ARE BEING UPDATED, HOW WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT EITHER SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS OR A BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS ITEMS LIKE THE PORT RICO SHARE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO HAVE A SUGGESTION. 
          UM, CAN WE ALSO LOOK AT SOME OTHER ONES THAT WE APPROVED BUT ARE STILL IN CONSTRUCTION THAT WAY, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE OBSERVE, UM, SO FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, I'M ASSUMING THAT SOMEBODY APPROVES IT AND THEN THEY CONSTRUCT IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? SO IF SOME THINGS ARE IN CONSTRUCTION, WHICH QUITE A FEW OF ACTIVITY CONSTRUCTION ACTIV IS GOING ON, ARE THERE ANY PROJECTS THAT WE COULD PICK UP AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT FOR THE NEXT TIME? I THINK AT THAT, I GUESS THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONE THROUGH THE COMMISSION AND YEAH. 
          AND SO, UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH TO SEE UNTIL IT GETS FINALIZED. 
          AND SO ONCE IT'S FINALIZED, ESPECIALLY IN A LOT OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT WE LOOK AT RELATING TO, UM, LANDSCAPING AND, AND PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE USUALLY, UH, ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT ARE COMPLETED, ESPECIALLY AT THAT FRONT LEVEL AS THEY KIND OF BACK OUTTA THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF, YEAH, WE, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ANYTHING UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY IDEAS, VICE CHAIR MINS? YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE NEWER, SO SOME OF US WHO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF TENURE, WE KIND OF KNOW THE BACKSTORY FOR THESE PROJECTS AND WHY THEY ENDED UP WHERE THEY ARE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME OTHER CASES WHERE, UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF A MECHANISM FOR US TO CALIBRATE ON KIND OF WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPERS AND TO HELP US, UH, HAVE THE, THE LANGUAGE, UM, TO, UM, SHARE THOSE IDEAS. 
          UM, I THINK ADDITIONALLY, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, UH, REWRITE FOR THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, THIS HELPS TO EITHER EXEMPLIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCOVERED OR TO GIVE US A SENSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S TO COME, UH, BRIDGING THE GAP WITH KIND OF OUR EXISTING GUIDELINES AND THEN THE FUTURE GUIDELINES. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE, THAT WAS AT LEAST MY HOPE, UM, WITH REVIEWING THESE PROJECTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARROLL. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, IT, IT WAS NEVER BUILT, BUT I THINK A GOOD DISCUSSION WOULD COME FROM 3 0 7 EAST SECOND STREET, PROJECT 3 0 7 EAST SECOND. 
          YES. 
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ALRIGHT. 
          THAT WAS ONE THAT FAILED TO RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMISSION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT CHAIR? I'LL SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT 3 0 7 EAST SECOND AT OUR NEXT MEETING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PARDON ME CHAIR. 
          YEP. 
          WHO WAS THE MOTION MAKER? WHO WAS THE SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER CARROLL MADE THE MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER WI THANK DID THE SECOND, UM, COMMISSIONER HOWARD, ARE WE PLANNING TO LOOK AT TWO ADDITIONAL PROJECTS? YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT TWO EACH UNTIL WE'RE DONE LOOKING AT 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I MIGHT RECOMMEND 4 0 5 COLORADO. 
          I THINK WE LOOKED AT THAT LAST, WE LOOKED AT THAT LAST BOOK. 
          OH, I MISSED , I MISSED IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I'LL, I'LL JUST WATCH THE VIDEO. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER GALLES. 
          OH, CHAIR. 
          I WAS, UH, GOING TO RECOMMEND HANOVER REPUBLIC SQUARE IF NONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE AN OBJECTION. 
          I, I FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S A SIMILAR SCALE RESIDENTIAL TOWER TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN TODAY. 
          AND I'D BE CURIOUS TO DRAW, UM, WHATEVER COMPARISONS WE FIND, UH, IN PARTICULAR WITH REGARDS TO THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL VAULT, THE CURB CUT, NAVIGATING GROUND FLOOR, UH, AMENITY SPACE, UM, AND WHATEVER PUBLIC, UH, OR COMMUNITY BENEFIT WAS PROVIDED. 
          SO WITHIN THAT CONTEXT, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE THAT PROJECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A SECOND VICE CHAIR MINOR. 
          YOU SECOND? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF TAKING A LOOK AT THE HANOVER PUBLIC SQUARE, RIGHT? UNANIMOUS. 
          CAN I HAVE A REQUEST FROM STAFF? SURE. 
          CAN I JUST, I KNOW THAT WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, UM, CONVERSATION WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT, UM, THE SAME PHOTOGRAPHS OF PRESENT STATE. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY ONLY ONE OF THESE IS GONNA, UH, BE APPLICABLE. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE THAT STAFF CAN GIVE US IN THE BACKUP, UH, LIKE A CURRENT IMAGE OF, UM, WHAT WAS IT OF HANOVER? WE MAY HAVE THE STAFF CAPACITY, BUT WE MAY NOT, WE MAKE AN EFFORT ABOUT GOING OUT TO THE SITE AND TAKE PICTURES. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK TODAY IT WAS KIND OF TRICKY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          TO COMPARE WITHOUT, I'M, WE'RE RELYING ON STREET VIEW AND, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS HOW ACCURATE AND UPTODATE THAT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          CHAIR, IF I MAY, YES, PLEASE. 
          IF THERE'S A COMMISSIONER THAT FREQUENTS THAT AREA COULD HELP OUT, THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE, WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED RIGHT NOW, SO IT WOULD MAKE YOU, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO, WOULD JUST TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY GO BY THERE AND, UH, TAKE SOME PHOTOS AND SEND IT TO THESE FOLKS. 
          OUR NEXT 
          [6. Select a representative for the South Central Waterfront Advisory Board per City Code  §2-1-172.]
ITEM IS TO SELECT A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD. 
          UM, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS STILL GOING ON, SO IF ANYONE'S THOUGHT ABOUT IT, UH, IF ANYBODY KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, BUT, UM, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN JOINING A JOINT COMMISSION, WE'RE LOOKING COMMISSIONER CARROLL? YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT, I MEAN, THEY'VE MET ONCE THIS YEAR IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE LAST I HEARD AND, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS LOOKING AT MERGING THIS ADVISORY BOARD WITH THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION. 
          HMM. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ON THAT, BUT, BUT YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. 
          IT HAD BEEN QUIET AND THERE WAS, IT WAS UNCLEAR AS TO WHAT THE FUTURE OF IT IS. 
          SO WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS HERE. 
          BUT MAYBE NEXT MONTH, UM, LET'S MOVE ON 
          [7. Update from the representative of the Downtown Commission regarding the meeting on  May 21, 2025, and June 18, 2025. (Part 1 of 2)]
TO OUR WORKING GROUP COMMITTEE 
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UPDATES. 
          AND SO AN UPDATE FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION REGARDING THE MEETING ON MAY 21ST, 2025 AND JUNE 18TH, 2025. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GILLIS CHAIR, THE, UH, JUNE 18TH MEETING WAS CANCELED, SO THERE IS NO REPORT, UM, TO SHARE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, WOULD ANYONE LIKE 
          [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS (Part 1 of 2)]
TO, UH, BRING UP ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT CAN GET A SECOND ON WHILE WE'RE HERE? CAN ALWAYS EMAIL STEPH AND WE'LL GET A SECOND THAT WAY. 
          I HAVE ONE POTENTIALLY, YEAH. 
          VICE CHAIRMANS. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          UM, I'VE SEEN, UH, LOCAL MEDIA TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, INCLUSION OF, UH, WEST CAMPUS INTO DOWNTOWN AND I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS ANY, UM, INSIDER KNOWLEDGE INTO THAT OR IF THERE, IF IT'S TOO PREMATURE TO ASK FOR SOMEONE WHO COULD SPEAK TO THAT INITIATIVE CHAIR, IF I MAY. 
          YES, WE DO HAVE COLLEAGUES IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHO ARE WORKING ON THAT INITIATIVE. 
          IT MIGHT BE A BIT PREMATURE, UH, TO BRING THAT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE NOTE OF IT AND HAVE THAT STAFF WHEN THEY'RE READY TO START ENGAGING WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AT THE DESIGN COMMISSION TO THEIR LIST. 
          THEY'RE NOT AT THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND SO THEY'VE ENGAGED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF IT. 
          AND PERHAPS MAYBE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION MAY BE RELEVANT. 
          SO ALL WE CAN DO IS EXTEND THE INVITATION AND SEE IF STAFF HAS THE CAPACITY TO BRING SPECIFICALLY TO THE VICE CHAIRS OR ANY PARTICULAR ITEM FROM THAT INITIATIVE THAT YOU WISH TO SEE. 
          YEAH, I GUESS IF IT'S IN THE, UH, DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS DISTRICT, UM, JUST BY DEFAULT AS BEING NOW PART OF DOWNTOWN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW. 
          'CAUSE UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'LL INCREASE, UH, THE PROJECTS THAT WE LOOK AT AND I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME NUANCE ABOUT THAT AREA THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER. 
          WELL, IF I MAY CLARIFY CHAIR, THE, THE UNO UNIVERSITY NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAY DISTRICT HAS ITS OWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT TO JUST ROLL IT INTO THE DOWNTOWN. 
          THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT PROGRAMS. OKAY. 
          SO IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AS REQUESTED BY THE COUNCIL, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE AS TO HOW THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST BY THE VERY NATURE OF IT BEING CLASSIFIED AS DOWNTOWN DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT WILL CHANGE THE DENSITY BONUS? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THERE MAY BE POTENTIALLY A GEOGRAPHICAL RE-DESIGNATION OF WHAT IS TRADITIONALLY BEEN KNOWN AS DOWNTOWN. 
          AND FOR MANY DECADES THAT WAS MLK, THE RIVER 35 AND LAMAR, THOSE WERE THE TRADITIONAL BOUNDARIES OF DOWNTOWN. 
          THE COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN EXPANDING WHAT THE UNDERSTANDING OF DOWNTOWN IS BEYOND THOSE PARTICULAR LIMITS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM IS ADVANCED TO THAT. 
          IF, IF YOU'VE KEPT UP WITH SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. 
          IT INCLUDES THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT DISTRICT, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF HAS ITS OWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO DEN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS ARE ESSENTIALLY QUITE POPULAR IN THE CORE AREA OF THE CITY. 
          HOWEVER, THE PRACTICALITY OF UNITING THEM INTO ONE GLOBAL UMBRELLA IS PROVING TO BE QUITE MORE CHALLENGING THAN EXPECTED. 
          THERE'S A CALIBRATION OF ENTITLEMENTS TO COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND SEEING HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER HOWARD? YEAH, UM, I'M ACTUALLY REALLY, UM, INTERESTED AND I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT RAINY STREET IS ALSO KIND OF A SIMILAR, IN A SIMILAR BOAT EXCEPT THAT IT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. 
          CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NUANCE THERE AND, AND, UM, AND WHAT DIFFERENTIATES RAINY STREET FROM SOUTH CENTRAL OR UNO? AND, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON, ON SOME OF THE, UM, THE, THE CHALLENGES OTHER THAN JUST, UM, UH, ENTITLEMENT, UM, UH, CALIBRATION, CERTAINLY CHAIR, IF I MAY. 
          SURE. 
          RAINY STREET HAS ITS OWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, WHICH IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. 
          OFTENTIMES WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT WE CALL IN THE BUSINESS, A CROSSOVER FROM THE DEN, FROM THE RAINY STREET DENSITY BONUS, AND THEY JUMP INTO THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY 
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BONUS PROGRAM. 
          BUT FIRST, THEY MUST FULFILL THE DENSITY, THE RAINY STREET DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES, I HAVE TO SAY, DENSITY BONUS. 
          AND SO THE RAINY STREET DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM ALLOWS IN TIME, IT'S UP TO EIGHT TO ONE FAR. 
          SO IF YOU RECALL, THAT AREA WAS REZONED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2004. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY I KNOW THESE THINGS, BUT I, I'VE BEEN HERE AT THE CITY QUITE LONG, AND IN 2004, THOSE PROPERTIES WERE REZONED FROM REST, MAINLY RESIDENTIAL TO CBD CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          HOWEVER, THERE WAS A HEIGHT LIMIT OF 40 FEET IMPOSED ON ANY, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THEY MUST PARTICIPATE IN THE RAINY STREET DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM TO GO ABOVE THOSE 40 FEET, UP TO EIGHT TO ONE FAR. 
          BEYOND THAT, THOSE PROPERTIES WITHIN RAINY ARE ABLE TO JUMP INTO THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM FOR ESSENTIALLY THE LIMITS, THE ADMINISTRATIVE LIMITS UP TO 15 ONE FAR AND UNLIMITED HEIGHT BEYOND 15 ONE WOULD KICK IN THE PROVISIONS OF 25 2 5 86 B AS IN BETA SIX, WHICH ALLOWS AN APPLICANT TO PETITION THE COUNSEL FOR ADDITIONAL FAR BEYOND THE ADMINISTRATIVE LIMITS. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THAT SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE RAINY DISTRICT, ARE NOT ENCUMBERED BY A CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDOR. 
          SO IT, IT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE HEIGHT AND FAR ENTITLEMENTS BEYOND EVEN THE 15 ONE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SAW AT LEAST ONE PARTICULAR BUILDING REQUESTING AND BEING GRANTED UP TO 30 TO ONE FAR. 
          AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT YOU HAD THOSE TWO DISTINCT PROGRAMS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT. 
          UH, WE'RE UNDER COUNCIL DIRECTION. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO SEE HOW YOU CAN UNIFY THAT AS ONE PROGRAM, AND IT'S PROVING TO BE QUITE, QUITE A BIT MORE CHALLENGING THAN ANTICIPATED, UH, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM, FROM BOTH PROGRAMS. DID, DID I ANSWER THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER? UH, YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          SO IT WAS A BIG QUESTION AND A BIG ANSWER, SO I THINK, I THINK YOU GOT MOST OF IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GALLES CHAIR. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          [7. Update from the representative of the Downtown Commission regarding the meeting on  May 21, 2025, and June 18, 2025. (Part 2 of 2)]
I, I BELIEVE I NEGLECTED TO PRESENT THE REPORT FROM THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION FROM MAY 21ST MEETING. 
          UM, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I, I FELT AS THOUGH I'D GIVEN THE REPORT ALREADY, BUT JUST FROM THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD, IT, IT, IT JOGGED MY MEMORY THAT ACTUALLY WE HADN'T DISCUSSED IT. 
          UM, SO CAN I GO AHEAD AND GIVE THAT REPORT NOW? YEAH, WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT ITEM. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UH, SO WE DID HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE DOWNTOWN COMMANDER ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF SIXTH STREET. 
          UM, THERE WAS A STAFF, STAFF GREETING BY CARRIE , ENTIRELY CERTAIN HOW TO PRONOUNCE THAT, WHO IS THE CURRENT COMMANDER. 
          AND THE CONVERSATION REALLY CENTERED ON, UM, THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT WERE BEING SPENT ON POLICING THAT ONE AREA OF DOWNTOWN OVER, OVER A VERY, VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO, UH, LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL. 
          UM, THE SECOND BRIEFING CAME FROM, UM, A MICHAEL KIMBRO, UH, PROJECT MANAGER FOR AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS ON SHARED MICRO MOBILITY AND THE EFFORTS BEING MADE TO IMPROVE SAFETY FOR, UM, BOTH, UM, MICRO MOBILITY USERS, THAT BEING, UM, THE, UH, SCOOTER, SCOOTER BIKES AND ELECTRIC ELECTRONIC BIKES, AS WELL AS PUBLIC SAFETY AROUND THOSE MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES. 
          UM, AND ONE, ONE BIG STRIDE THAT IS BEING MADE IS TO PROVIDE PARKING BOXES. 
          UM, AND THAT TEAM IS IMPLEMENTING AI AND WORKING WITH THE MICRO MICRO MOBILITY PROVIDERS, BIRD AND, UM, LIME, I BELIEVE, UM, TO CREATE PARKING BOXES WHEREBY IF, UH, USERS DO NOT RETURN THE DEVICES TO THE SPECIFIED PARKING BOXES, THEIR TIMING ON THOSE DEVICES KEEPS RUNNING AND THEY INCUR ADDITIONAL FEES. 
          AND THAT'S IN AN EFFORT TO STOP THESE, UH, SCOOTERS BEING JUST LEFT, UM, IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS POSITIVELY RECEIVED. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ITEM WAS PRESENTED BY, UM, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT REGARDING THE RECENT WORK TOWARDS THE ADVANCEMENT OF TOURISM AND ENTERTAINMENT IN THAT AREA. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, UH, OF A STAFF MEMBER OF ONE AS IT WAS PRESENTED, WHO IS, UM, DOING A HELL OF A LOT OF WORK, UH, TO AMPLIFY THE VOICES OF THE MUSIC VENUES IN THAT AREA, WHO FEEL AS THOUGH THEY ARE BEING OVERPOWERED SIGNIFICANTLY 
          [02:20:01]
BY, UM, THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT AND THE CHANGES HAPPENING IN THE DISTRICT. 
          UM, SHE CALLED ATTENTION TO WHAT'S CALLED FREE WEEK, WHICH IS A THREE DAY EVENT THAT, UM, PROMOTES LIVE MUSIC VENUES AND OTHER FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT ALONG THE RED RIVER CULTURAL DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND, UH, THERE'S A FIVE PLUS YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN IN PROCESS TO CONTINUE THE EFFORTS OF THAT ORGANIZATION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY FUTURE 
          [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS (Part 2 of 2)]
AGENDA ITEMS? ANY, ANY OTHER, UH, THEY'D LIKE TO PUT IN OUR NEXT MEETING? UM, ALL RIGHT, WITHOUT, IF THERE'S NO, PARDON ME CHAIR. 
          SORRY. 
          NO, PARDON ME. 
          UM, WHO WAS THE, SO I GOT VICE CHAIR MINORS AS THE SPONSOR FOR THE, UM, DID, DID WE WANNA LOOK INTO THE BRIEFING? IS THAT YES. 
          IS IT TOO EARLY OR? WE CAN LOOK INTO IT, BUT WE JUST NEED A CO-SPONSOR ESSENTIALLY. 
          I THINK, UM, IF WE CAN JUST KEEP IT ON OUR RADAR, UM, OKAY. 
          AS A BODY, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ON OUR NEXT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN OUR NEXT AGENDA, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AS MORE, UH, TRANSPIRES, MAYBE WE CAN INVITE SOMEONE TO COME SPEAK TO IT, AND THEN IF WE COULD JUST GET A CO-SPONSOR. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL CO-SPONSOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN DID Y'ALL WANT, UM, TO SPONSOR, CO-SPONSOR THE, UH, WORKING GROUP MEMBERSHIP AS WELL FOR COMMISSIONER GILLI? YES. 
          YE UH, YES. 
          I'LL CO-SPONSOR, CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I'LL ADJOURN TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY LAST COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. 
          THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 8 25.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.