* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] RIGHT. UH, COMMISSION [CALL TO ORDER] MEETING DATED JULY 18TH. UH, WE'RE AT 3 0 1 WEST SECOND STREET HERE IN AUSTIN. UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND, UH, I THOUGHT WE'D GET STARTED. UH, WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND START WITH OUR, OUR CALL TO ORDER, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENTS RIGHT AFTER. SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THE, UH, CALL ORDER? ANYBODY IN THERE? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL] WE'VE GOT TWO SPEAKERS SET UP OR SIGNED UP. NO MORE. SEE, THREE OF YOU THERE. SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANNA TALK. OKAY. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. YOU ALL ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. AND, UH, ANDREW WILL, WILL, UH, WAVE WHEN YOU'RE DONE. UH, DO YOU WANNA COME OUT ALL THREE OF YOU, OR THE TWO OF YOU COME UP AND SIT AT THE TABLE AT THE SAME TIME? AND WHAT THAT WAY WHEN WE CAN GO ONE AFTER THE OTHER. , WHAT IS THE LIST THAT WAS ON? YES. OKAY. YES, I MISUNDERSTOOD. THAT'S OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR GUESTS. AND SO I'M, I'LL BE SPEAKING. YOU DON'T WANNA SPEAK. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTIME. ARE YOU MS. LEE? THAT'S ME. OH, OKAY. SO YOU'RE MS. MS. MARY ELIZABETH. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, OKAY. MS. LEE, UH, YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES. HEY, Y'ALL. UH, MY NAME IS SAVANNAH LEE. I'M WITH EQUITY ACTION. UM, I CAME JUST TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA. UH, THE FIRST IS ITEM 14. UH, WE WANNA THANK YOU FIRST FOR INCLUDING IT. UM, AS OUR FOUND FOUNDATIONAL RIGHT TO PROTEST, IT'S CALLED INTO QUESTION BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT'S ABSOLUTELY PIVOTAL THAT A PD IS AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WHEN INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC DURING DEMONSTRATIONS. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DATA THAT UNDERSCORES THAT POLICE PRESENCE AT PROTESTS ACTUALLY ESCALATE TENSIONS AND MAKE PROTESTS MORE VOLATILE, NOT LESS. IF WE'RE TO OPERATE ON THE KNOWLEDGE THAT POLICE ARE A RISK FACTOR IN VIOLENT PROTESTS, WE MUST ENSURE THAT THE SAFETY TOOLS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ACCESS TO ARE ROBUST AND CAN BE USED TO HOLD POLICE WHO ENGAGE IN MISCONDUCT ACCOUNTABLE. AND THEN ON ITEM FIVE, WE ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS AN IMMEDIATE HALT. THE L-A-L-P-R PROGRAM, LICENSE PLATE READERS DON'T JUST READ LICENSE PLATES IN REAL TIME. MANY OF THEM COLLECT MUCH MORE HOLISTIC DATA ABOUT VEHICLES THAT THEY READ. IN GENERAL, THIS HAS RAISED DEEP CONCERNS REGARDING PROFILING AND PRIVACY VIOLATIONS. WHILE A PD DENIES THE USE OF THESE TOOLS TO ASSIST ICE OR COLLECT DATA BEYOND LICENSE PLATE TO CONTRIBUTE TO DATABASES, THESE TECHNOLOGIES AND TOOLS GROW JUST BY THE VERY USE OF THEM. REGARDLESS, AUSTIN MUST NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE GROWTH OF A SURVEILLANCE STATE THAT USES DATA TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, IMMIGRANTS AND OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. AND THEN ON ITEM 10, WE WANTED TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 10. THE ONLY THING WE HAD IS THAT WE MIGHT SUGGEST A CARVE OUT FOR THE 25 CASE REVIEW CAP ONLY IN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE COULD BE A RISK OF MASS POLICE MISCONDUCT. THE THINGS THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT ARE LAST SUMMER'S CAMPUS PROTESTS, OR THE SUMMER'S ICE PROTESTS SITUATIONS IN WHICH WE'RE SEEING, SEEING KIND OF REPEATED MISCONDUCT OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHERE YOU MIGHT NEED A HIGHER CAP OR VERY SIMILAR INSTANCES. UH, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE. YOU WELCOME. I THANK YOU. OVER A MINUTE OVER. I'M EFFICIENT. . ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR MIND? UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD BRING UP IS CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AT EQUITY ACTION, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT BUDGET, UM, THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE UNDER YOUR, YOUR PURVIEW IS RIGHT NOW WE'RE SITTING WITH POLICE FUNDING AT 36.4% OF THE CITY BUDGET. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. HOWEVER, WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE DO HAVE, WE WANNA LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY MORE HOLISTICALLY THAN JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU CAN ENFORCE THE LAW AND YOU CAN HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY TO US THAT LOOKS LIKE REENTRY SERVICES FOR FORMERLY INCARCERATED FOLKS. UH, LEGAL HELP FOR IMMIGRANTS, UM, MORE FUNDING FOR AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH. UM, I HAVE A COPY OF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT BUDGET. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT, HAPPY TO EMAIL IT TO ANY OF YOU, BUT WE'LL BE HERE ADVOCATING FOR THAT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. WELL, SINCE IT'S NOT UNDER OUR PURVIEW, I DON'T THINK I'LL BE REQUESTING THAT. YEAH, WE'RE NOT FOR SURE. YEAH. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. SO SINCE, UH, MAKE SURE YOU'RE MICROSOFT. THANK YOU. SINCE, UH, MS. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ELIZABETH DOESN'T WANNA SPEAK, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR, UH, LAST MONTH'S MEETING. UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR SHOULD WE GO? CAN WE GO AHEAD AND, UH, VOTE ON THAT OR SECOND? CAN WE, UH, ANYBODY WANNA MOTION MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? MOVED? ALL RIGHT. SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. AYE. ALL RIGHT. TERRY'S. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE, UH, UNANIMOUS FOR THE PEOPLE HERE. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO [2. Discussion of the commission’s experience and takeaways from recent case review training.] WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. UM, DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION'S EXPERIENCE AND TAKEAWAYS FROM RECENT CASE REVIEW TRAINING. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION SINCE WE LITERALLY GOT IT. WHAT'S FRIDAY? [00:05:03] SO, HAS EVERYBODY BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING, THE TWO CASES THAT THAT CAME TO US TO REVIEW FOR THE, UH, THE OLD CASES SO WE CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT'S THERE? WE HAVE NOT, BECAUSE, UH, I THINK THE CITY HAS A EMAIL LAG. I DON'T RECEIVE THINGS TILL ABOUT 48 TO 72 HOURS AFTER IT SAYS THEY'RE SENT. SO ARE YOU USING THE CITY LAPTOP OR USING YOUR OWN, STILL YOUR OWN COMPUTER? I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MY CITI LAPTOP YET. OKAY. SO, 'CAUSE I, I RECEIVED EVERYTHING THE DAY THAT RYAN SENT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, UH, I WHAT SYSTEM COULD BE. YEAH, IT COULD BE THAT I'M NOT ON CITY EQUIPMENT, BUT YEAH, IT IS A LAG RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT. I CON I CONTACTED RYAN TO ARRANGE A, A DATE TO PICK UP MY LAPTOP. OKAY. UH, IF YOU NEED, UH, YOU, WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED AT? TYLER OR MR. FLU? TERRY? I'M IN PFLUGERVILLE. OKAY. IF YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO BRING IT UP TO YOU. I, I, I GO THAT WAY ALL THE TIME, SO IF, IF IT HELPS, JUST LET ME KNOW. WE CAN PROBABLY MEET UP SOMEWHERE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE YEAH, I'LL JUST COMMENT ON IT. I, I STARTED REVIEWING IT, AND, UH, SINCE OF COURSE I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ASK FOR IT, THOUGHT I HAD TO, IT'S, UM, A LOT OF INFORMATION AND I WOULD JUST SUGGEST GET ON IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, GIVE YOU AN IDEA, BENCHMARK HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GO TO A REVIEW. SO, UH, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S ALL THERE. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF DATA, UH, FOR THE TWO FILES ALONE THAT WE SAW. IT'S, IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, MANY MEGABYTES, BUT IT WAS PRETTY CONSEQUENTIAL. SO, UM, THAT COULD ALSO BE THE OTHER THING. YOU MAY HAVE TO CLEAN OUT SOME THINGS TO MOVE TO, TO GET STUFF IN THERE FOR EMAILS LOADED. LIKE MINE IS SO, UH, CHRIS, KATHY, ANYTHING? I HAVE A, A THOUGHT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, MY THOUGHT WAS, UH, TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE FILES MORE SECURE. UH, I DON'T WANNA GO INTO SPECIFICS ABOUT HOW WE LOOKED AT 'EM, BUT I IMAGINE THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA WORK ON MOVING FORWARD. YEAH. MS. RUSSELL, UH, I, I, I TOO, UH, HAD SOME CONFLICTS GOING ON IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS THAT I, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN MY LAPTOP YET, BUT I DID BEGIN TO REVIEW THE TWO CASES. OKAY. WHERE ARE YOU? WHERE YOU COMING FROM? ME? YEAH. UH, I AM, I AM NORTH. I'M, I AM NORTH BY TERRY. ME TOO. I, I'M, I'M AT PALMER. OKAY. WELL, IF YOU, IF I NEED TO BRING IT BY, JUST LET ME KNOW. WE'LL, WE'LL, I APPRECIATE THAT. WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, TO GET EVERYBODY THEIR, THEIR LAPTOPS. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. DID I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THIS, LIKE WITH SOMEONE WALKING US THROUGH FROM IG? IS THAT NOT THE CASE ANYMORE? THESE ARE OLD CASES THAT RIGHT. HAVE BEEN ADJUDICATED. I THOUGHT THAT WE'RE GONNA REVIEW. PARDON ME? I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GONNA REVIEW WITH IG IS THE, UH, ADJUDICATED CASES. NO, NO, NO. THESE ARE, UH, SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE, THE INFORMATION, SEE HOW IT'S PARSED OUT. UM, SO YOU GET AN IDEA. AND KEVIN'S HERE SO WE CAN, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROCESSES, BUT THAT THESE ARE JUST OLD CASES THAT ALREADY ADJUDICATED. UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA COMMENT ON THEM. WE'RE JUST, I WANT, WE, I WANTED YOU TO EVERYBODY TO SEE ON IT. SO I REQUESTED, UH, GAIL POOL TOO. I, I DIDN'T CARE WHICH, BUT ONE THAT WAS, UH, ADJUDICATED WHERE THE, UH, POLICE CHIEF AGREED. AND ONE WHERE THE POLICE CHIEF DIDN'T AGREE AND, AND, AND WENT A DIFFERENT WAY. UH, CHAIR, UH, BESKI, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMISSIONERS TO GET A BRIEFING. YES. UH, RELATED TO THOSE CASES, AS TERRY HAS NOTED, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY FIRST TO REVIEW ALL THE MATERIAL AND THEN REQUEST THE BRIEFING AT A LATER DATE. OKAY. SO THAT WILL, OKAY. YEAH. REMEMBER, KIND OF GO WITH NUMBER TWO THEN. SO WHAT'S, YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT BEING A DISCUSSION THAT WE WILL GET BRIEFED BY IG SO WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS MORE, MORE HOLISTICALLY. THAT IS CORRECT. COMMISSIONER FLOOD. SO WHAT'S THE AGENDA FOR, FOR NUMBER TWO? IT SAYS STAFF BRIEFING. IS THAT, ARE, ARE YOU PREPARED TO GIVE A BRIEFING TODAY OR HE'S NOT HERE? NO, SIR. THERE IS NOT A REQUEST FOR A BRIEFING ON THE AGENDA. IT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION. YEAH. I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GOT IT FIRST SO THEY CAN LOOK AT IT WITH THEIR OWN. AND THEN AFTER THEY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, THEN WHAT'S, DURING THE BRIEFING BE MORE, MORE ACTIVE. QUESTION I HAVE, SHOULD WE SET A DEADLINE TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW EVERYBODY HAS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT? THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S STOPPING RIGHT NOW. YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. YOU WANNA HAVE IT BY NEXT MONTH, NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. DO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO IT? YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD. UM, BOTH TO HAVE THAT BRIEFING FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. YEAH. AND, UH, ONE THING, LIKE, WHILE WE WERE AT IT TOO ABOUT, IT'S, IT MAY BE FOR SOME OF YOU ADVANTAGEOUS TO COME AND PICK UP THE COMPUTER BECAUSE I THINK I FOUND IT SOME [00:10:01] SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO TRY TO LOG IN. IF YOU'RE ON THE NETWORK AND CITY NETWORK, IT COULD HAVE THINGS COULD GO BETTER. SO CONSIDER THAT. JUST, I'M, I'M COMING TO GET MY OWN COMPUTER. I'M JUST WAITING ON RYAN. I'M, UH, I APPRECIATE THE OFFER, BUT I'LL, I'LL COME INSIDE AND, UH, YEAH. I'D RATHER DEAL WITH ALL THE GREMLINS AND EVERYTHING OKAY. AND CONNECTIVITY ISSUES. OKAY. BEFORE I GET HOME AND GET FRUSTRATED. SO I'LL STILL END UP COMING BACK IN, SO NOT, OKAY. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T FLY VERY WELL, SO NOT THEY'RE SMALL. THEY DON'T FLY AS WELL. IT'S LIKE A FRISBEE, RIGHT? YEAH. UH, ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT, UH, THE REVIEW FOR THE AUGUST MEETING, UH, AND THEN HAVE THE INVITE, THE, UH, IG OR IA, SORRY, TO, UH, TO COME NOT IG. SO CAN, UH, CAN YOU REQUEST HE, HE COME, GOD, I CAN'T REMEMBER. IAG AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. UH, [3. Discussion of the commission’s authority limits, specifically regarding when case discussions transition to personnel matters subject to closed session under the Texas Open Meetings Act.] LET'S MOVE NUMBER THREE. DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY LIMITS, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE CASE DISCUSSION, UH, TRANSITIONS OF PERSONNEL MATTERS, SUBJECT TO, UH, TO CLOSED SESSION UNDER THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. UM, I DIDN'T REALLY THINK THIS WAS, UH, MUCH OF AN ISSUE, BUT, UH, ANYBODY WANT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A CLOSED MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THAT? WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS? HOW'S THIS HANDLED THE PASS, GAIL? UM, JUST BASED ON THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, UM, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT ALLOWS FOR A CLOSED SESSION. MM-HMM . UM, THAT'S THE INITIAL SESSION IN REVIEWING OF THE C CASE. AND THEN AFTER THAT, YOU WILL HAVE AN OPEN MEETING JUST TO DISCUSS THE CASE, BUT NOT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE CASE. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE I KNOW WITH THE FILE CHANGES THAT CHANGES THINGS, UH, KIND OF LIKE HIP LAWS WITH, WITH THE HEALTHCARE, WE, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN'T DELVE OUT. SO, ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S, UM, LET'S MOVE THIS TO NEXT MONTH AS WELL. UM, BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE THE MEETING WITH, UH, WITH LIEUTENANT LEWIS AND REVIEW THE CASE, WE CAN KIND OF DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT MOVING FORWARD FOR US. YES. THE BRIEFING WILL BE IN A CLOSED SESSION, SIR, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A OPEN REVIEW. RIGHT. SO LET'S MOVE THIS, UH, ITEM THREE TO NEXT MONTH SO WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS THAT ASPECT OF IT. AND THE, YEAH, BEFORE I THINK ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE OPEN OR CLOSED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING GENERALLY ON CASES VERSUS THE SPECIFICS AND HOW WE DIFFERENTIATE THOSE TWO THINGS. THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT. YEAH. AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO USE, UH, USE OUR TIME, UH, FOR NEXT MONTH REGARDING THAT, UH, FOR ITEM TWO AS WELL. 'CAUSE THAT DOES KIND OF TIE HAND IN HAND, I THINK. WOULD YOU AGREE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, [4. Discussion of access to case systems (e.g., AXON) and communication channels with APD leadership, including the Chief.] ITEM FOUR, UH, DISCUSSION OF ACCESS TO CASE SYSTEMS. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, AXON AND COMMUNICATION CHANNELS WITH A PD LEADERSHIP, INCLUDING THE CHIEF. UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT PERSONALLY. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO DISCUSS REGARDING THAT? 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A, SOMETHING UNDER OUR, OUR PURVIEW DOES IT? HOW THE SYSTEMS, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY ARE, THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. YEAH. BUT I THINK HOW WE ACCESS 'EM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING FOR THAT SO THAT, UH, WE ARE, UH, RIGHT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT US. THAT'S, THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT GAIL AND THE, AND THE POLICE CHIEF AND UH, IA AND UM, THAT, THAT SYSTEM, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITHIN IT. WE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A DIS ANY SAY IN THE HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE GONNA BE HANDLING IT. DO WE? I DON'T THINK WE REALLY DO. IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND DO ALL THAT STUFF BEFORE WE REALLY CAN WORK ACTIVE CASES. YEAH. I MEAN, IN THAT REGARD, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THINGS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE OR ANYTHING. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT SPECIFICS REGARDING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT SYSTEMS WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT AND HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CONTROLLED. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. ALRIGHT. FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, COMMISSIONER HARRIS, ARE YOU ASKING FOR A SYSTEMS OVERVIEW? SO YOU KNOW THE SYSTEMS THAT WE'LL BE DEALING WITH THAT YOU WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK? [00:15:01] SO THAT WAY, UM, I'M, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING. WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, IT, WE WANNA SEE WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF SAYS AS, UH, LIKE MASTERS HAS SAID BEFORE. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT TO BE, UM, WHAT'S THE, I DON'T WANNA BE RELIANT ON, UH, ANOTHER BODY IF WE HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE THE COMMISSION TO BE INDEPENDENT AND OBVIOUSLY NOW WE HAVE TO DO BACKGROUND CHECKS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEEING WHATEVER WE NEED TO SEE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, PROTECTING IT AS FAR AS IT BEING CONTROLLED ACCESS AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S ACCOUNTABLE. OKAY. IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. I, I THINK SO. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL, WE'LL ADD THIS. WELL, CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT TO ME THEN, JOHN? 'CAUSE IT, I'M NOT FOLLOWING. HE, I, I GET WHAT HE IS SAYING. HE, HE'S, HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BEING, UM, SPOONFED INFORMATION THAT THEY WANT US TO SEE ANY, THEY BEING WHOEVER IS IN CONTROL, BUT HE WANTS TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING CORRECT, CHRIS? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DIRECT ACCESS TO, UM, FILES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WELL, THAT'S, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE WORDING OF CITY CODE 2 15 4. SO, I MEAN, WHAT, I'M NOT, I THINK I FOLLOWED THAT, BUT I'M SAYING WHAT IS, ARE YOU MAKING A FORMAL REQUEST OR ARE WE HAVING A DISCUSSION OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE OUTPUT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE TRANSLATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING INTO ACTIONABLE ITEM? I THINK WE, FOR ME, IT WOULD BE PUTTING TOGETHER A WORKING GROUP, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION. YEAH. I THINK A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED ONCE WE HEAR KEVIN AND, AND SEE WHAT THE PROCESS IS THAT, UH, HE AND THE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT OF WORK OUT. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING IS GONNA BE BASED ON THAT. CORRECT. IS THAT RIGHT ABOUT RIGHT, KEVIN? SO, UH, I WOULD SAY YES AND POTENTIALLY NO. UH, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROCESS, THE LAST MEETING, AND OKAY. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD WITH RESPECT TO THE ACTUAL PROCESS. OKAY. WELL, IT, BUT I THINK THIS IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS BECAUSE THE, THE CHANGE IN THE WAY THE FILES WERE HA ARE HANDLED. AND I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME, UH, LEGAL ELEMENTS TO IT THAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE HAVE TO HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS, UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING IS GONNA BE, UH, DIRECTLY TIED TO PERSONNEL AND, AND INDIVIDUAL'S PRIVACY. SO WE HAVE TO BE KIND OF CAREFUL ON THAT. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK IN, IN THE SCOPE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE INTENDED TO. SO, NO, ABSOLUTELY. I COMPLETELY AGREE. I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU KNOW, I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE GOTTA SEE. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY INDEPENDENTLY, AND AT THE SAME TIME, MAKE SURE THAT THAT ACCESS IS CONTROLLED AND ACCOUNTABLE AND PROBABLY LOG SO THAT IF I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE US, BUT ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE, THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON THAT SHOULDN'T BE GOING ON. UM, THERE ARE WAYS, UH, TO REMEDY THAT. RIGHT. BUT THE, THE THING IS, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH, UH, HUMAN AND HUMAN ERROR, YOU'VE GOT PERSPECTIVE, YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT, UH, VARIABLES THAT ARE NEVER GONNA BE PERFECT OR EXACT. SO THERE WILL BE ALWAYS BE MISSING FILM OR VIDEO. THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE MISSING AUDIO. UH, THINGS GET DAMAGED. UH, ELECTRONICS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'VE GOT A, AN ELECTROMAGNETIC A FAN SITTING NEXT TO SOMETHING, IT'S NOT GONNA RECORD THINGS PROPERLY. SO THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE IMPERFECTIONS IN THE SYSTEM. BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. ONCE WE HAVE AN IDEA AS FAR AS P OR HOW THE POLICIES, UH, BETWEEN, UH, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THE PROCESSES ARE NAILED DOWN, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE WORKING WITH WITHIN THAT SYSTEM. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT OF WAY TO, FOR US TO GUARANTEE WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING. 'CAUSE THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, PLACES WITHOUT SENSE. ANY CAMERAS OR AUDIO. WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A, A PROBLEM. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CHAIRMAN, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT CHRIS IS SAYING IS I DO TOO. YEAH. THAT THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE EVERYTHING MM-HMM . BUT WE DO NEED TO CODIFY A WAY TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN ENSURE WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN'T INSPECT WHAT WE CAN'T INSPECT. SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT A MOTION FORWARD TO MAKE THIS A TANGIBLE THING AS OPPOSED TO IT EXISTING IN THE ABSTRACT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. BECAUSE IF WE JUST KEEP SAYING WE'RE WAITING AND WE'RE WAITING AND WE'RE WAITING, THEN WE'LL BE WAITING. BUT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY SAY WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND THEN DEVELOP A PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THERE. YEAH. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING [00:20:01] ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S RIGHT. I, I KNOW THAT'S, I'M SAYING I WANT TO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WANNA GO BEYOND TALKING AT SOME POINT. YEAH. INTO, INTO ACTION. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO GET THAT FROM THE TALKING POINT TO MM-HMM . THE ACTION POINT. 'CAUSE TALKING IS GOOD, BUT THAT'S ALL IT DOES IS JUST WORKS. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL ADD THAT AS A DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM FOR NEXT MONTH. UM, DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND IS THERE ANY MOTION TO SET UP A, A, UH, A GROUP, A WORK GROUP ON THIS? YEAH, I'LL, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, I CAN, UH, MOTION FOR A WORKING GROUP TO LOOK AT ACCESS CONTROL PROTOCOLS, STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. IF I CAN GET A SECOND. ANYONE WANNA MAKE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. PARDON ME. I DIDN'T THINK OF IT. NO, I THOUGHT I'LL SECOND. I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE'RE GONNA DO IT NEXT MONTH, BUT YEAH, IF WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, THEN LET'S DO IT RIGHT NOW. WELL CHAIR, THIS IS ONLY POSTED FOR DISCUSSION AND NOT FOR ACTION AT THIS TIME. OKAY, GOTCHA. SO, NO, THAT'S A A GOOD POINT. . SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT TO NEXT MONTH. THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE IT HERE ALREADY. ADD NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. UM, I, I GUESS US EVERY TIME, RIGHT? IT DOES DARN DARN PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES. ALL RIGHT. AND SO LET'S MOVE ON [5. Discussion of the Austin Police Department Automated License Plate Reader program, including review of documents, information, and studies.] TO ITEM FIVE. UH, WITH, UH, THAT, THAT MS. MS. LEE ALREADY MENTIONED THE DISCUSSION OF, UH, A PD AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, INCLUDING REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS AND INFORMATION IN THE STUDIES. UH, DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER, UH, BEYOND HOW MS. MS, UH, MS. LEE BROUGHT UP? I ALMOST CALLED YOU MS. ANN, MS. ELIZABETH, UH, ANY OPINIONS ON THIS THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? UH, I'LL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES OF THIS, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . I WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT IT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, I WANNA UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT, WHAT OFFICERS ARE SEEING AND WHY THEY THINK IF THEY DO, WHY THEY THINK THE AL PR SY UH, PROGRAM IS A, IS GOOD MM-HMM . UM, YEAH, I, IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO BE ABLE TO ASK A PD, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY SEE? WHAT, WHAT MAKES THEM THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA? AND AT THE SAME TIME, LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY . UM, MY THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO GET A BALANCED PERSPECTIVE, TO UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM AND ITS PROS AND ITS CONS. MM-HMM . THAT'S MY THOUGHT. UM, MY THOUGHT IS THAT'S VERY GOOD, BUT ALSO EVERYBODY KNEW THIS MEETING WAS TAKING PLACE, RIGHT? AND EVERYBODY HAD ACCESS TO THE AGENDA. SO IF A PD WA DID WANT TO SPEAK ON IT, OR DID WANT A VOICE OR TO BE REPRESENTED, THEY HAD THE ABILITY. AND SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FORMALLY INVITE THEM TO SPEAK ON THINGS CONCERNING THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW THE SYSTEM SHOULD EXIST. WE DON'T EXIST TO SERVE A PD. WE PUT OUT THE INFORMATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE AGENDA. IF THEY HAD CONCERN ABOUT AN ISSUE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY SAW THAT IT WAS GONNA BE IN THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE, THE APPROPRIATE PROTOCOL WOULD BE TO SEND A REPRESENTATIVE. THEIR LACK OF REPRESENTATION DOES NOT NEGATE OUR NEED FOR ACTION ON THE ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. THAT'S MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW, DID WE ACTUALLY INVITE SOMEONE OR, UH, 'CAUSE THAT, I BELIEVE THIS WAS ONE OF MY AGENDA ITEMS, AND IT GOT SENT AGAIN, AND THIS MIGHT BE A MISTAKE ON ME OF NOT, UM, UH, INVITING SOMEONE MAY PD TO SPEAK ON THIS. SO I WILL TAKE THE BLAME ON. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF GOING FORWARD, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR JOB IS NOT TO SEND, THIS IS NOT LIKE A BIRTHDAY PARTY. WE DON'T SEND OUT INVITATIONS. THIS IS A MONTHLY MEETING. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT'S REOCCURRING, AND EVERYONE CAN SEE THE AGENDA THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE. SO I DON'T THINK THE OWNER SHOULD BE ON US TO SEND FORMAL INVITES TO ANYONE, BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE'RE TREATING EVERYBODY LIKE THEY'RE SPECIAL. NO, WE PUT IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THEY PARTICIPATE OR THEY DON'T. AND THAT'S ALL THAT WE CAN DO. BUT WE STILL HAVE TO BE JUDICIOUS AND MOVE FORWARD WHETHER A PD DECIDES TO GIVE A FORMAL OPINION OR NOT. OKAY. I WANNA SAY SOMETHING. YES, SIR. YOUR HONOR, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HARRIS WAS SAYING. WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS FOR HIS OWN ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I DO WANT TO GET VARIOUS PERSPECTIVES WHETHER SOMEONE ATTENDS [00:25:01] OR DOESN'T ATTEND, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. BUT IN TERMS OF GETTING A VIEW ON THE ISSUE, I WANT MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES. AND THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY, THE DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING THOSE PERSPECTIVES. ONE OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES WOULD BE FROM A PD AS WELL AS FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING AN INFORMED DECISION. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. BUT IN A DEMOCRACY, IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP, YOU DON'T HAVE A VOTE. SO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THIS MEETING INFORMATION. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TREAT THEM SPECIAL AND SEND THEM A FORMAL INVITE IF THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE AGENDA, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE SHOULD TREAT ONE ENTITY SPECIAL AND NO ONE ELSE. IT'S EITHER ALL OR NOTHING. THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. I THINK, AND SO YOU, YOU WANT, I WANT, I WANT ALL, I WANT ALL PERSPECTIVES TOO, BUT A PD IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEND A REPRESENTATIVE INTO THE ROOM. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE FLYING 'EM IN FROM CALIFORNIA OR ANYWHERE ELSE. THEY KNOW THE MEETING IS HAPPENING. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE START DOING THAT, THEN WE'RE BASICALLY BECOMING SUBORDINATE TO THEM. AND I DON'T WANT THAT. UNDERSTOOD. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES, SIR. YEAH. I GUESS I, I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. ONE OF THE THINGS I, I WANNA UNDERSTAND, I THOUGHT THIS DISCUSSION COULD BE, IS WHETHER, UH, WHETHER THERE'S AN EXPECTATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN IT, IT'S ON EACH OF US TO SIT DOWN AND MAYBE TRY TO DO A, AS BEST WE CAN TO COME TO SOME THIS DECISION. AND I KNOW THAT, UH, SOME OF US HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO OTHER, UH, VOICES IN THE COMMUNITY, AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GRADUALLY MAKING OUR DECISION. BUT I, IF, IF, IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE CAN HAVE HERE IS HOW ARE WE AS A BODY GONNA TRY TO COME ABOUT DOING THAT? BECAUSE I COULD TELL YOU FIRST PERSONALLY, YES, I LISTENED TO THE, THE POLICE, AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE SHORTAGE OF MANPOWER RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IT'S, IT'S TALKED ABOUT. IT COULD REALLY HELP EFFICIENCY AND SAVE TIME AND SO FORTH. A GOOD ARGUMENT. YEAH. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE GROUPS THAT I, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME AFFINITY TO A LOT OF MINORITY GROUPS AND SO FORTH, CHOSE STRONG OPPOSITION TO IT. AND I HAVE TO STOP AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT I, WHAT CARLOS THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA. MAYBE THERE'S SOME, SOME REASONS FOR I SHOULD STOP BACK AND LISTEN TO THE OTHER, OTHER GROUPS. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I GO ABOUT IT INDIVIDUALLY AS CITIZEN GRAVES. BUT THE QUESTION IS, AS A BODY, WHAT WE, HOW WE WANT TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE CAN DISCUSS HERE. ABSOLUTELY. MR. OH, GO AHEAD. SORRY. GO AHEAD, CHRIS. WELL, MY THOUGHT WAS, I MEAN, UH, THE CHAIR CAN REACH OUT TO, UH, SOMEONE AT A PD POSSIBLY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT. BUT, BUT, UH, ARE, ARE WE, ARE WE SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE, WE WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT, ABOUT, WE ARE GONNA PUT OUT THEIR RECOMMENDATION. EA THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST THING, RIGHT? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IS IT AN ACTION ITEM? I DON'T, IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM. NO. IT'S, SO WE COULD SAY IN THE FUTURE, YEAH. DO WE WANNA CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION? AND THEN ON A FUTURE AGENDA, ACTION ITEM INVITE, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE HEARD INPUT FROM ALL CONSTITUENCY'S CONCERN. SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE OPTION FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO MOVE IT FROM DISCUSSION TO, UH, APPROVAL OF A, OF A, UM, OF A RESOLUTION. IT MAY BE AN EXPECTATION AND MAYBE SOMETHING WE, WE SHOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF THAT, AND EVERYBODY EXPECTS IT, RIGHT? BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS, THIS DISCUSSION SAYS THAT, AND OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL BODY, BUT THAT NOT, NOPE. NOT EVERY, NOT EVERYBODY'S READY TO MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION OR NOT EVEN A PATH TO HOW TO DO THAT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, GO, WE, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC INFORMATION OUT THERE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE WANNA FORCE IT, LET'S START, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEEK, NEXT TIME, LET'S START ACTIVELY DECIDING TO DO THAT. BUT THERE ARE MO MANY GROUPS HAVE PUT OUT RECOMMENDATIONS ON IT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IF YOU CAN GO ON YOUR OWN AND FIND OUT. AND COMMISSIONER HARRIS, YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING IT ON THERE. THE, UH, BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED WAS VERY HELPFUL, UH, IN GIVING A PERSPECTIVE ON IT. AND, UM, IF YOU WANNA MOVE IT TO AN ACTION ITEM ON OUR NEXT AGENDA, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. Y YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD DO THAT. MY THOUGHT WAS JUST GETTING A HANDLE ON THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CONTROVERSIAL PROGRAM. I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT. AND MY THOUGHT WAS, LET'S TAKE A SURVEY OF WHAT INFORMATION IS OUT THERE FROM MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES AND TRY [00:30:01] TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT. AND THEN ONCE WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND IT BETTER, THEN WE CAN START MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. BUT WE CAN DO THAT NEXT, NEXT MEETING IF YOU WANT TO. MY THOUGHT IS, I'M GOING BACK TO MY BASELINE. THIS MEETING IS, EXISTS NOT IN SECRET. IT IS AN OPEN MEETING. THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WANT TO HAVE A VOICE MAKE THEMSELVES PRESENT, JUST LIKE THE LADY SPOKE TODAY ON THIS TOPIC. IT IS NOT OUR JOB IF WE DIDN'T DO OUR OWN HOMEWORK AS A BODY TO INVITE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PRESENT TO IT. IF SO, I'M OKAY WITH PUSHING THIS FURTHER, BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE TYPE OF BODY WHERE WE SAY, WELL, ALL THE CITIZENS HAVE TO DECIDE ON THEIR OWN. IF THEY WANNA SHOW UP, IF THE SOMETHING IS A ISSUE OF CONCERN TO THEM, BUT WE DEFER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND INVITE THEM FORMALLY. IF WE WANT MORE INSIGHT, IF THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING A TOPIC, THEN THEY SHOULD TAKE THE ONUS UPON THEMSELVES IF THEY WON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO BE HERE. ALL RIGHT. I DO ALL THE, HOLD ON A SECOND. I DO HAVE THE POLICE SOME INFORMATION THAT I JUST LEARNED. UH, AUSTIN'S GOING TO STOP USING A LICENSE PLATE ORDER PROGRAM AT, UH, AT THE END OF THE MONTH. THIS WAS ON FOX CRIME WATCH, SO IT MAY BE A NON-ISSUE. LET'S FIND OUT, UM, BEFORE WE, YEAH, I MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT USING TEXAS, I, THE BIGGER DISCUSSION THOUGH, PARDON ME? NO, I WAS SAYING THE BIGGER DISCUSSION THOUGH, IS HOW WE GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AT ANY MEETING. I AGREE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IF WE INVITE THE POLICE, BUT EVERYONE ELSE COMES, IF THEY WANT TO, EVERYONE'S INVITED. IF THEY WANT TO GIVE THEIR INPUT, WE GO WITH THE FACTS AND THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE AT HAND. WE CANNOT PUSH ITEMS OFF JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T SHOW UP WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH REPRESENTATION IN THE DEPARTMENT TO SHOW UP IF THEY CARE ABOUT THAT ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT US TO ESTABLISH AS A BODY, IS THAT WE ARE NOT SECONDARY OR SUBORDINATE TO ANYONE ELSE IN THIS APPARATUS. AND SO FOR US TO DO OUR JOB DELIBERATELY, THE REPRESENTATION FROM THESE AGENCIES AND STAKEHOLDERS, IT'S AVAILABLE. IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE, THEN WE TAKE THE EVIDENCE THAT WE DO HAVE IN OUR OWN HOMEWORK, AND WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS THAT WAY. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD OPERATE AND NOT, UH, SUBVERT OURSELVES TO ONE ENTITY NOT BEING PRESENT OR ONE ENTITY THINKING THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET FORMAL INVITES FOR EVERYTHING. OKAY. NOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THEM BRIEFING US ON THE WAY THAT THE MECHANICS OF THINGS OR THE EVIDENCE THAT WE JUST SAW, SO THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT, BUT ALL PARTIES ARE ALREADY ABLE TO COME HERE. WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND TREAT THE POLICE ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE. THAT'S HOW I THINK. OKAY. WELL, LET ME, LET'S FIND OUT. I'LL, I'LL REACH OUT OR MAYBE GAIL CAN REACH OUT AND FIND OUT, UH, WHO, UH, IS CONTROLLING THE, THAT PROGRAM, UH, WHO USES IT. IF THEY CAN COME AND MAYBE WE CAN, UH, TALK TO THEM DIRECTLY, INVITE THEM TO THE NEXT MEETING. UM, MAYBE WE CAN TRADE SOME EMAILS WITH THEM. I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT, A, IS THAT WHAT I'VE JUST READ? TRUE. B IF IT IS, UM, WE STILL NEED TO FIND OUT, GET THE, THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE TO DISCUSS WITH US HOW THAT INFORMATION'S GATHERED, HOW IT'S BEEN UTILIZED. AND, AND CHAIR AND CHAIR, THIS MAY BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT THE PROGRAM WAS PAUSED AS OF JUNE 30TH. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S PAUSED, THAT'S ONE THING. DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE, UH, CONTINUE USING IT AGAIN? WHY'D THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT? BECAUSE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC CONCERNS, ARE THEY GONNA RE, RE RE REVAMP THE SYSTEM, HOW IT'S UTILIZED? THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS BECAUSE IT, IT IS A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. I MEAN, THERE, IT'S A TOOL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE AS IT SAYS IN THE, THE THING, CARS DON'T CAUSE OR DO CRIMES, PEOPLE DO CRIMES. AND WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, PEOPLE DRIVING, AND IT CAN ACTUALLY CLEAR PEOPLE, I KNOW, 'CAUSE I, I WORK WITH AN INVESTIGATOR. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS THEY, THEY WILL GO THROUGH VIDEO AND IF SOMEBODY'S IN A HALFWAY ACROSS TENT AND SOMETHING HAPPENS OVER HERE, THEY COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT. SO IT ACTUALLY HELPS ELIMINATE PEOPLE [00:35:01] BASED ON THEIR CARS, THEIR PHONES. UH, WE ARE IN A SOCIETY, UNFORTUNATELY, WHERE WE'RE, WE HAVE TRACKING ON EVERYTHING. AND THE THING IS, HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU, ARE YOU WALKING THROUGH, YOU SAY SOMETHING AND THEN FIVE MINUTES LATER YOU GET AN AD ON YOUR PHONE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT DOESN'T SOUND A LITTLE BIT INVASIVE TO EVERYBODY. THAT DOES TO ME. SO IF YOU'VE GOT, UH, UH, AN ALEXA AT HOME, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO TURN OFF YOUR PRIVACY OR TURN YOUR PRIVACY ON FOR THAT. SO IT DOESN'T GATHER THE INFORMATION. BUT THAT'S THE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN. SO WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THAT, THE PARAMETERS AND HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT CHOOSES TO DO IT. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS IT, JUST LIKE WHAT TERRY, MR. FLOOD SAID. SO, AND, AND WHAT INFORMATION IS GATHERED. BUT CHAIR, I GUESS WHAT I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SITUATION IS, IF WE IMPOSE ON OURSELF THAT WE WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM . BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF THE DECISION, AND THERE MAY BE THIS EXPECTATION OF THE CITIZENS THAT, THAT WE DO THAT. AND SO THAT'S THE, IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND THAT'S THE DISCUSSION, IS GOOD. I, I HEAR HERE ALL FROM ALL OF THIS LOOKS LIKE WE WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS A BOARD, YOU AS A, AS A, AS A BOARD. SO THAT'S WHERE WE GO. YEAH. IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH THE DISCUSSION AND, AND TO SEE IF WE'RE, THERE'S AN ACTION ITEM THERE FOR US, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT THE CITY'S DOING, HOW THEY'RE USING THAT PROGRAM, IF THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE USING IT AGAIN, WE'LL FIND OUT. AND, AND ONCE WE LEARN THAT, WE'LL INVITE THEM, UH, AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD FOR US TO HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THAT PROGRAM, NOT SOMEBODY WHO WORKS AND MAY KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. I WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S ACTUALLY REVIEWING IT. SO, UM, WE'LL ADD THAT. SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE FIND OUT, BECAUSE YOU SAID WE'LL FIND OUT AND THEN WE'LL, I WILL DO THAT. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I'LL GO WITH GAIL AND, AND MR. MASTERS AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. THAT'S NOT, BUT THAT'S, SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO, I KNOW, I GET THAT. NO, NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THAT? HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT THIS TO TAKE? BECAUSE YOU COULD BE STILL FIGURING IT OUT NEXT YEAR. YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T WANT, SO EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE LIKE, ALMOST TIED TO SMART OBJECTIVES, RIGHT? MM-HMM . IT'S GOTTA, IT IS GOTTA MAKE SENSE. SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, HOW LONG IS THIS PROCESS GOING TO TAKE TO FIND OUT THE INFORMATION? BECAUSE JUSTICE, LATEST JUSTICE TONIGHT, IN MY OPINION, SO SURE. AND WE, YOU COMPARED IT TO ALEXA. YEAH. I CAN GO INTO PRIVACY SETTINGS FOR ALEXA. I CANNOT GO INTO THE APDS READER PRIVACY. I WAS TALKING MORE ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY ITSELF, BUT YEAH. PRIVACY. I KNOW, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S NOT COMPARABLE BECAUSE I CAN'T PUT A PRIVACY SETTING ON THAT AND SAY, HEY, DON'T READ MY LICENSE PLATE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SURE. I IT DOES. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY ERA THAT WE'RE IN, WE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S NOT JUST THE CAMERAS. ABSOLUTELY. SO, ABSOLUTELY. BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE CONTROLLABLES THAT WE AS A BODY CAN, WE CAN CONTROL EVERYTHING OR WHERE OUR TECHNOLOGY GOES, BUT YEAH, WE CAN HAVE INFORMATION AND BOTH, UH, WE HAVE OUR VOICE. YEAH. AND WE'LL DEFINITELY USE IT. YEAH, I AGREE. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S OKAY. ALL [6. Discussion of policies, applicable laws, and procedures related to the proactive release of redacted body-worn camera (BWC) footage of arrests made by APD officers during Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) protests or related events in June 2025.] RIGHT. WELL, LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER SIX. UH, DISCUSSION OF POLICIES, APPLICABLE LAWS AND PROCEDURES RELATED TO THE PROACTIVE RELEASE OF REDACTED BODY-WORN CAMERA, FOOTAGE OF ARRESTS MADE BY A PD OFFICERS DURING, UH, ICE PROTESTS OR RELATED EVENTS, UH, IN JUNE, 2025, WHICH IS ODDLY SPECIFIC. SO, UH, WHO WANTS TO START THIS DISCUSSION? THAT WAS MY ITEM, AND I COULD START THAT. YOU WANT ME TO, I DO HAVE A, A, IT IS, LET ME KIND OF COVER THIS A LITTLE BIT. UH, THIS IS A POTENTIAL, I KNOW THERE'S A ACTION ITEM, UH, LATER ON, BUT THIS IS A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION IF WE VOTE IN FAVOR, UH, REGARDING THE PROACTIVE RELEASE. I HAD TO WRITE THIS ALL DOWN. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. UH, PROACTIVE RELEASE OF REDACTED BODY CAM FOOTAGE FROM ARRESTS DURING BASICALLY LAST MONTH. UH, THE ICE PROTESTS, UH, THAT THERE'S ANYONE WATCHING THAT DOESN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THAT. THERE WAS, UH, SOME PROTESTS GOING ON DOWNTOWN. IT'S BEEN COVERED IN THE MEDIA. THERE'S, UH, THERE WAS A, A LOT OF TALK ABOUT IT. AND, UH, THE CORE IDEA HERE IS TO BASICALLY PROACTIVELY RELEASE REDACTED BODY CAM FOOTAGE OF A-P-D-R-S FROM LAST MONTH, JUNE, 2025. AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF EXEMPTIONS IN THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT THAT, UH, ARE USUALLY USED, UH, TO NOT RELEASE THIS. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT EXCEPTION AND THE LITIGATION EXCEPTION. AND, UH, THIS RECOMMENDATION, THIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ASKING A PD TO WAIVE THOSE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPTIONS [00:40:01] IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY TO SHOW THE PUBLIC WHETHER OUR OFFICERS MADE LAWFUL ARRESTS OR UNLAWFUL ARRESTS, WHATEVER THEY WERE. AND, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. UM, THERE'S A LOT IN THE RECOMMENDATION THAT KIND OF GETS INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF, UM, HOW THAT SHOULD WORK. UH, IT WOULD BE GIVE A PD 120 DAYS TO FIND THE, UH, BODY CAM FOOTAGE. AND IN THE RECOMMENDATION, IT DOES PROVIDE SORT OF A WORK PATH FOR THAT. SO IT STARTS WITH THE AFFIDAVITS. IT LOOKS AT THE OFFICER NAME ON THE AFFIDAVITS. YOU PULL THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE AND REDACT IT ACCORDING TO, UH, THERE'S ALREADY A, A, A FRAMEWORK IN PLACE TO DO THIS. SO INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO GIVE THEM, UH, A WAY OF REDACTING THE FOOTAGE, THE FRAMEWORK IS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT. WE'RE JUST WAIVING, UH, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT EXCEPTION AND THE LITIGATION EXCEPTION, UH, AS A RECOMMENDATION TO A PD. UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN SAY NO, BUT THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION IF THIS PASSED. UM, I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF WORKS, BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS. ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS? ANYBODY ELSE? I AM INTERESTED IN KNOWING THE, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FOOTAGE ALSO. I ALSO WANT TO UNDERSTAND APDS HOLD JUSTIFICATION AND CONVERSION RATE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHAT I'M WITNESSING IS THAT A MASS EVENT HAPPENS. INITIAL REACTION IS TO ARREST EVERYONE. WHAT IS THE TOTAL PEOPLE ARRESTED? WHAT'S THE CONVERSION RATE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THEN BEING PROSECUTED? OR THEY JUST ARRESTING SOMEONE TO DISBAND THAT GATHERING, AND THEN NO ONE HAS EVER PROSECUTED. BECAUSE IF THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING, THAT'S NOT GOOD POLICING. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY BIG CONCERN FOR ME, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMMITTING CRIMES, THEN THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. BUT IF THEY'RE JUST EXERCISING THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THE POLICE DON'T LIKE IT, AND THEY'RE JUST ARRESTING THEIR WAY OUT OF THE CONFLICT JUST TO, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A CONFLICT, THE GATHERING, AND THEY'RE UNLAWFULLY ARRESTING PEOPLE KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BASICALLY CATCH AND RELEASE THEM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO AND TRY TO STOP THAT PATTERN IN PRACTICE. SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE INFORMATION ON THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF, OF THE WHOLE RECOMMENDATION IS ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO SEE IT FOR THEMSELVES WITH PROPER REDACTION. SO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN AN OFFICER'S IN HIS CAR AND HE IS LOOKING AT HIS COMPUTER TERMINAL AND IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, CONFIDENTIAL STUFF ON THERE, OBVIOUSLY REDACT THAT OUT. BUT THIS, YOU KNOW, IN THE RECOMMENDATION, IT'S VERY, IT, I SAY IT'S VERY SPECIFIC, BUT IT'S SOMEWHAT SPECIFIC. YOU KNOW, IT'S LEADING UP TO THE ARREST, THE ARREST ITSELF, AND TRANSPORT EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT. IT'S JUST WHAT LED TO THE ARREST. AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THERE WERE EIGHTH ARRESTS THAT HAPPENED, UH, ACCORDING TO, UM, NEWS REPORTING. SO IT, I UNDERSTAND LIKE IT COULD BE A LOT OF FOOTAGE POTENTIALLY, BUT IT IS EIGHT ARRESTS. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE COULD BE, UM, POTEN, POTENTIALLY EXPUNGEMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, SO YEAH, THE IDEA IS IF IT IS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE, WHICH I DON'T, I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS WE MIGHT HAVE TO WORK OUT. MY THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE JUST PROACTIVELY RELEASE IT. I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER CITIES THAT DO THE SAME THING. UH, DURING THE DNC PROTESTS THAT HAPPENED IN CHICAGO, UH, THE CHICAGO PD PROACTIVELY RE-RELEASED THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE OF, UH, PROTESTS THAT HAPPENED. UM, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER EXAMPLES OF CITIES DOING THIS. I MEAN, IT IS A PRO, YOU KNOW, PROGRESSIVE POLICING THING TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND SHOW THE PUBLIC HOW THE POLICE IS DOING THEIR JOB. AND WHETHER IT IS, LIKE I SAID, LAWFUL ARRESTS OR UNLAWFUL ARRESTS. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE FOOTAGE, BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT WITH PROPER REDACTIONS. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE MOVE TO THE DISCUSSION, OR SORRY, THE ACTION ITEM, I MEAN, UH, IT'S UP TO YOU CHAIR. HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I THINK WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY COVERED IT FOR THE ACTION ITEM. UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL, WE STILL HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN DO, DON'T WE, AND REVIEW. WELL, AND KATHY HAS A QUESTION HERE OR A COMMENT. GO AHEAD. UH, YES. THIS SUBJECT IS OF GREAT INTEREST TO, TO ME AS WELL. I, I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION. I WAS [00:45:01] UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, UM, OUR, UH, OUR COMMISSION REVIEWS, UH, FATALITIES AND, AND, UH, VIOLENT, UH, UM, VIOLENT INCIDENTS, UM, DOES THAT, UH, DOES THAT, WOULD THAT FALL UNDER US IN OUR OVERSIGHT? ANY, ANY COMPLAINTS TO, UH, AGAINST, UH, POLICE OFFICERS? THAT'S WONDERFUL. I MISUNDERSTOOD THEN. YEAH. UH, YES. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. SO IT, IT'S, UH, IF THERE'S A, A CITIZEN IN AUSTIN OR EVEN A VISITOR, THEY HAVE A, A, A QUESTION, PROBLEM ISSUE. THEY CALL AND MAKE A COMPLAINT AND, UH, OR EMAIL OR HOWEVER THEY, THEY, HOWEVER THAT'S RECEIVED. BUT, UH, NO, IT'S ANYTHING, IT, AND THEY'RE, WE LIKE TO SEE GOOD COMMENTS TOO. SO IF AN OFFICER IS NICE, LET'S HEAR IT. BUT THERE, IT IS NOT JUST RELEGATED OR LIMITED TO, UH, BAD ACTION OR VIOLENT ACTION, IT CAN BE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THEY TALK BECAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, IF, IF AN OFFICER IS BEING PROFESSIONAL, IT NEEDS TO BE THE, THE, THERE'S A DECORUM WHEN YOU PUT THAT UNIFORM AND THAT BADGE ON AND YOU'RE SWORN IN. THAT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A ETIQUETTE THAT YOU NEED TO FOLLOW WITH, WITH THE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING TREATED PROPERLY, UH, WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE LAW. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO I GET WHAT THE, OUR, OUR, THE PEOPLE WHO COME UP AND MAKE COMMENTS, I, I SEE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE STILL HAVE OUR JOB TO TRY TO FIND OUT, UH, TO GET TO THE TRUTH, FIND OUT WHAT THE TRUTH IS, HOW IT'S ARRIVED AT, WHAT INFORMATION'S GATHERED. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. SO, CHAIR, ARE WE GONNA SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, I WAS GONNA ASK, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT MOTION? WELL, FIRST WE NEED TO COME TO IT UNDER THE AGENDA. IT'S, IT'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, THE ACTUAL, UH, ACTION. OKAY. NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. YEAH. IS, YEAH. IS BECAUSE I HEARD HIM SAY THAT WE NEED TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION OR SOMETHING, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS. SO, WELL, I'M, I'M GONNA DO SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE ON MY SIDE, UH, BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE WHAT LIMITATIONS THERE ARE. UM, BEFORE WE, WE DRAFT, DRAFT A LETTER, I WANNA MAKE SURE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. BUT IT, IT IS REGARDING WHAT, IT'S ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S ON THE AGENDA. I'M SAYING PERSON, ME PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND WE CAN DRAFT A LETTER AND I'M, WE CAN SIGN IT AND SEND IT OUT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO YOUR OWN WORK. WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY TO HELP US. I KNOW IT'S RIGHT HERE. RIGHT? SO THAT, BUT WELL, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE DOING IT YOURSELF. NO, NO, NO. I WANNA, I WANNA MISTAKEN IT HAS, HAS, ISN'T THE LETTER ALREADY DRAFTED? UH, THE, I SENT OUT THE SECOND DRAFT, UH, I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY MM-HMM . UM, YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, WHETHER IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S GOOD. OBVIOUSLY WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE OUR ATTORNEY LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CRAZY LAND. AND, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, UM, UH, A PD CAN REJECT IT. THEY CAN SAY, HEY, THIS, WE CAN'T DO THIS. THE, THE, AND STATE THE REASON WHY. I MEAN, UM, I I, I LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMMISSION. YEAH, NO, I, I AGREE. I AND TERRY, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT ASPECT OF IT, AND THIS, THIS CAN GO, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM BECAUSE WE, IT'S STILL RECOMMENDATION FOR A PROACTIVE RELEASE, BUT UNTIL WE HAVE ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS IN PLACE, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE PREMATURE, BUT I STILL THINK GETTING MORE INFORMATION IS BETTER, LIKE YOU SAID, TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING. AND I THINK THAT'S, WELL, TO BE FAIR, IT IS. IT'S NOT US LOOKING AT IT. IT IS A PD DOING THE REDACTIONS AND POSTING IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE THEM PUTTING IT ON THEIR WEBSITE YEAH. AS REDACTED BODY CAM FOOTAGE. RIGHT. IT WOULDN'T BE US LOOKING AT IT, IT WOULD JUST BE THEM GOING THROUGH, INCLUDING US COLLECTIVELY AS PEOPLE WHO ARE NON OFFICERS. SO, SO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING THIS. WE'RE NOT ACTING ON IT RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. UM, YOU DRAFTED THIS COMMISSIONER HARRIS, THIS LETTER? YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. I, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE FIRST DRAFT, BUT I, THERE'S A SECOND DRAFT THAT SAYS SECOND DRAFT. THAT'S MARK. THAT'S, WE HAVE SECOND DRAFT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S [7. Discussion of public speaker comments made at the CPRC regular meeting on June 20, 2025.] MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN. UH, DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC SPEAKER, COMMENTS MADE IN LAST MONTH'S MEETING, AND THOSE ARE, UM, THE FRONT OF THE MINUTES FOR LAST MONTH. UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? UH, A [00:50:01] LOT OF THIS IS ALREADY ON HERE. UM, MR. ROBERTS BROUGHT UP THE A LPR TECHNOLOGY. UH, I THINK WE'VE, UH, COVERED THAT. UM, UH, CHAZ MOORE BROUGHT UP A, UH, FAIL FAILURE TO ENFORCE DEESCALATION POLICIES. I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ONE, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL ALWAYS BE A FOCUS OF, OF THIS COMMISSION, MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND, UH, HOW THEY'RE, WHAT POLICIES THEY'RE FOLLOWING, WHAT TRAINING THEY HAVE, HOW THEY'RE BEING, UH, SORRY, HOW THEY'RE BEING BROUGHT INTO THEIR, THEIR TRAINING INTO FROM THEORY TO, UH, TO ACTION. SO IF, UH, OFFICERS ARE NOT DEESCALATING, WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE AND MORE CASES, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN, UH, POSITIVELY AFFECT THAT. SO, UH, AS FAR AS THE DEES DE DEESCALATION, DEESCALATION, HOW CAN I TALK TODAY? POLICIES THAT, UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS FOR A PD, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE, UH, WHEN THERE'S A CONFRONTATION BETWEEN AN OFFICER AND PEOPLE. UH, I THINK ONE WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, ABOUT THE DRUNK INDIVIDUAL ON SIXTH STREET, AND THEY WALKED UP BLOWING WHISTLES. HOW THEY DISPERSE THE, THE PEOPLE AROUND THAT. UH, THERE'S A QUESTION REGARDING THAT POLICY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT WAS ADJUDICATED IN SUCH RAPID FORM. I WAS TOLD THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A MOTION ITEM TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW A CASE HAPPENED IN MAY, BUT WAS ALSO ADJUDICATED IN MAY, BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE OUR BODY VERY LITTLE TIME TO REVIEW AND DELIBERATE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IF THINGS ARE MOVING AT THAT TYPE OF PACE. SO THAT IS HIGHLY CONCERNING FOR ME. OKAY. UH, GAIL, CAN YOU TELL US HOW THAT, WAS THERE ANY CA UH, COMPLAINT BROUGHT UP ON THAT, WHEREAS REVIEWED AND ADJUDICATED? WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR, UM, AUGUST AN ACTION AS AN ACTION ITEM, OR JUST DISCUSSION AS AN ACTION ITEM, IF YOU WANNA MAKE SOME KIND OF RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO, UM, WELL, THIS NOT JUST RECOMMENDATIONS, IT'S A QUESTION ON HOW US UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT THERE IS A ONE YEAR LIMIT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT CASES GOT, UM, ADJUDICATED WITHIN ONE MONTH. AND SO I GO AHEAD. I I UNDERSTAND, SIR. BUT AGAIN, UM, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S POSTED ON THE AGENDA FOR A DISCUSSION ON TODAY, SO I BROUGHT IT UP. I I GET THAT. I'LL, SORRY. I KNOW. THAT'S WHY I TOLD HIM I WANTED IT TO BE LOOKED FOR FOR THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH, I'LL ADD THAT. YEAH, I, I THINK THAT CONVERSATION WILL HAPPEN ORGANICALLY BECAUSE YOU'VE ASKED TO GET A BRIEFING ON THAT CASE NEXT MONTH, SO, CORRECT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, SEE THE OTHER COMMENTS HERE. UM, ACCOUNTABILITY AND INCIDENTS INVOLVING LESS LETHAL WEAPONS, UH, BATONS, TASERS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY USE. IS THERE NOT NON-LETHAL BESIDES HANDCUFFS? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY USE? YEAH, THEY'VE GOT PEPPER BALLS, PEPPER, THEY'VE GOT A NUMBER, PEPPER, DIFFERENT OTHER TECHNIQUES THAT THEY USE IN THE LESS LETHAL MODE. OKAY. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS REGARDING TRAINING OR AN APPLICATION, OR HOW DO, HOW DO YOU ALL WANT TO HANDLE THAT? DO YOU WANNA HAVE AN ACTION ITEM REGARDING THAT? DO REVIEW IT AND GET THE, UH, SOMEBODY FROM THE, THE TRAINING HERE TO HELP US WITH THAT? YEAH, I'M DOWN FOR THAT. YEAH, WE CAN PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. AND GAIL, CAN YOU, UH, FIND OUT WHO WE NEED TO, UH, BRING HERE FOR THAT FROM A PD TRAINING? YEAH. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. AND IS THERE ANYBODY IN OPO THAT, UH, HAS HANDLED A LOT OF THOSE CASES WHERE THERE'S BEEN COMPLAINTS? WE, I MEAN, WE'VE HANDLED SOME COMPLAINTS AS IT RELATES TO USE OF FORCE. YES. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING, UH, THAT'S DEFINITIVE AS FAR AS WHERE THERE'S GRAY AREA AS FAR AS, UM, HOW, HOW, UH, UH, PEOPLE ARE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AS FAR AS CASE STUDY OR, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE OTHER ITEM ON HERE, BUT [00:55:01] IS THERE, UM, I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW TO, HOW TO WORD THIS. SOMEBODY IN OPO THAT IS THERE, HOW DO YOU DISSEMINATE AND YOU GO THROUGH, IS IT JUST YOU OR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN OP THAT HAVE, ARE GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING WITH IA? I, I'M TRYING TO GET TO YOUR END IN MIND AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU. I MEAN, WE, I'VE GOT TWO INVESTIGATORS AS WELL AS CURRENTLY TWO COMPLAINT SPECIALISTS. WE ALL TRIAGE AND INVESTIGATE CASES. OKAY. INDEPENDENTLY OR COLLECTIVELY. THE TRIAGE PART, THAT'S THE PART I WAS GETTING AT. OKAY. HOW DO YOU TRIAGE, UM, CASES LIKE THIS WITH AN USE OF NON-LETHAL? HOW DO YOU, UH, GET TO THAT POINT WHERE YOU DETERMINE, YEAH, THAT WE NEED TO, UH, ADJUST THIS COMPLAINT OR, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THEY USED, UH, EXCESSIVE FORCE OR THE WAY WE REACH OUR CONCLUSIONS? WE LOOK, EVERYTHING WE DO IS BASED ON POLICY. WE LOOK AND SEE, OKAY, IF HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT THE INCIDENT ON BODY-WORN CAMERA, IF WE'VE GOT IT ON BODY-WORN CAMERA, WE, WE REVIEW IT AND WE SEE, WE MAKE A DECISION. DO WE BELIEVE THAT APPLICATION WAS BASED ON THE POLICY OR WAS, WAS, WAS IT, WAS THE USE WITHIN POLICY OR DO WE BELIEVE THE USE WAS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S OUTLINED IN POLICY? SO EVERYTHING WE DO WHEN WE CONDUCT OUR REVIEW IS BASED ON OUR IMPRESSION AS TO IN DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE OFFICER FOLLOWED POLICY AND WHATEVER ACTIONS THEY WERE TAKEN. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO GET A COPY OF THE TRAINING POLICY THEN AND THE REVIEW POLICY THAT WOULD THAT BE ABOUT RIGHT? HOW YOU, HOW IT'S TRIAGED? IS THERE OTHER TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, SIR? THE GENERAL ORDERS ARE POSTED ON APDS WEBSITE IF YOU WANT. ALRIGHT. CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT FOR NEXT FOR THAT SO WE CAN KIND OF REVIEW ALL THAT AT THE SAME TIME? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ONE. UH, DANIELLA SILVA REGARDED THE WORKERS' DEFENSE ACTION FUND RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT POLICE INVOLVEMENT IN THE ICE RAIDS. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING FURTHER TO DISCUSS ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK POLICE GET INVOLVED, UH, WHEN THE SOMEBODY ELSE MAKES A, OR SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THEIR, THEIR, THE ASSEMBLY FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ASSEMBLY WHEN THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF THEY'RE MAKING CONTACT WITH AN OFFICER OR BLOCKING TRAFFIC. SO I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, LOOK AT HOW THAT'S HANDLED. MAYBE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS A DISCUSSION OR REVIEW? NOT AS FAR AS, NOT AS FAR AS PEOPLE IMPEDING OFFICERS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AUSTIN PD AND ICE IS SPECIFICALLY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD OVERLOOK, OVERLOOKED. UM, HAVING THAT UNDERSTANDING AND THAT CLARITY, I THINK WILL GO A LONG WAY IN POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT THAT RELATIONSHIP LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT HOW A PD INTERACTS WITH IT WITH ICE. ABSOLUTELY. IN THE FEDERAL LAW, UH, AND CITY AND STATE LAW. 'CAUSE WHAT, WHAT SUPERSEDES WHAT IS THE, DOES THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT UH, WORK WITH ICE? I, I THINK THE, THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE IN THE BEST POSITION TO UM, PROVIDE FOR YOU THAT INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH ICE? YEAH. WHO, WHO WOULD WE TALK TO DIRECTLY THE CHIEF, HOW THEY, HOW THEY KIND OF DIRECT IT? WE DEFINITELY COULD TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE WANTING TO, UH, INVITE, UH, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE AS FLEXIBLE. YEAH. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. I, I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RUNNING OUT THE PAPER. ALL RIGHT. , WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT COMPUTERS? YOU MEAN THE TWO THAT I HAVE IN HERE ON THE, ON THE IPAD? YEAH. WELL, YOU GOTTA LIKE, ACTUALLY USE 'EM ON THE BOARD. YEAH, I'LL WORK ON THAT. THANKS. NO PROBLEM. THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S MY WORKOUT BAG. I JUST CARRY IT AROUND. ALL RIGHT. I, I KNOW I GOT IT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON HERE. UH, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON. AND DISCUSSION OF [8. Discussion of working group updates on bylaw amendments to comply with TOMA and TPIA regulations.] WORKING GROUP, UH, UPDATES ON BYLAW AMENDMENTS TO COMPLY WITH TOMA AND TPIA REGULATIONS. WHO WANTS, WHO BROUGHT THAT ONE UP? THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ME AGAIN. UM, I'M NOT SURPRISED. . [01:00:02] UM, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, HOW DOES I, COULD I COULD SEND THIS TO OUR STAFF AND WE CAN READ IT. UH, BASICALLY IT, IT WAS A, A SECOND LEGAL ASSESSMENT OF, I, I REACHED OUT TO AN ATTORNEY AND HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT OUR BYLAWS, AND, UH, HE GAVE ME AN AS BASICALLY, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF IT. OKAY. AND, UM, HOLD, HOLD ON A SECOND. I CAN HOLD ON A SECOND. UH, AND GAIL RESPONDED, WE HAVE, THERE'S CERTAIN PARAMETERS WE HAVE TO ACT IN, AND I BELIEVE NEIL, UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE WHOLE EXCHANGE ABOUT THIS? I'M AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN A COMMISSION MEMBER AND ANOTHER ATTORNEY. YES. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE COMMISSION. YES. AND SO YOU DO NOT SHARE ANY KIND OF LEGAL PRIVILEGE OR ANYTHING WITH THAT OTHER ATTORNEY. I AM YOUR ATTORNEY FOR, UH, PURPOSES OF PROVIDING YOU WITH LEGAL ADVICE. I AGREE. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S GAIL'S RESPONSE TO YOU, CHRIS, WAS BASICALLY, IF THERE IS A, THERE'S RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AND STAY WITH THEM. THE BYLAWS ARE SET UP BY THE, BY THE, UH, WHAT COM, THE, UH, CITY, THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL. I CAN'T THINK. SO WE KIND HAVE TO COMMISSION. YEAH. SO IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT WE, WE NEED TO ADDRESS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO DO HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GO TO OUTSIDE, UH, ATTORNEYS ANY, ANYTHING. WE, NEIL IS OUR ATTORNEY, SO IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS 'EM TO NEIL. OKAY. ACTION. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO [9. Approval of a request to review the officer-involved shooting case from Saturday, May 31, 2025.] ACTION ITEMS. UH, APPROVAL OF REQUEST TO REVIEW THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING CASE, UH, FROM SATURDAY, MAY 31ST, UH, 2025. ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. WE GOTTA HAVE A SECOND AND SECOND. WELL, I THOUGHT YOU, YOU DID DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT? YEP. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY A WE HAVE NO DISCUSSION OF IT. NO, WE'RE, BUT WE HAVE TO REQUEST IT. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. AYE. NO, FIRST WE MOVE, THEN WE GET TO DISCUSS IT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT REALLY IS. I WANTED TO . OKAY. LET'S DISCUSS IT FIRST THEN. YEAH. WHO BROUGHT THIS UP? BRIEF IT INTO THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETELY, I THINK THIS WAS COMMISSIONER UH, CORTEZ WHO BROUGHT THIS UP. OH, OKAY. WELL, I DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON IT? I WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, LAURA, THE, UH, VICE CHAIR, I BELIEVE SHE BROUGHT IT UP AND SHE'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY. RIGHT. UM, BUT SHE DID EXPLAIN TO ME THAT IT'S A VERY PERTINENT CASE AND THAT WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION TO REVIEW IT. OKAY. 'CAUSE OF BOTH THE HIGH VISIBILITY AND TO UNDERSTAND HOW A PD IS OPERATING. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THIS. WHAT I CAN SAY, SIR, IS THAT THIS COMPLAINT IS CURRENTLY OPEN. OPEN. YOU'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THAT. THE COMPLAINT ONCE THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE, WHICH COULD BE A FEW WEEKS, CORRECT? IT COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE. I'M SAYING IT COULD BE NEXT MONTH COULD BE TWO MONTHS. IT COULD BE TWO MONTHS. IT COULD BE A YEAR. OKAY. LET'S, SO WE STILL NEED TO REQUEST IT THEN. AND THEN ONCE, ONCE IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE CAN REVIEW IT. SO, SO IS SHE'S SAYING THAT IT IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE AS IN WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE TO SEE IT. WE'LL HAVE ACCESS TO IT. YEAH. IT'LL COME THROUGH US THROUGH THE COURTS OF A SIR, SIR, YOU CAN VOTE TO CORRECT TO, TO REVIEW THE CASE. WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTS TO YOU FOR REVIEW UNTIL THE COMP THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE. YEAH. AND THEN UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHAT I'M COMPLETE, WE WOULD GET IT ANYWAY. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. YEAH. WE'RE ON SAME PAGE. RIGHT. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO VOTE ON EVERY ITEM THAT WE NEED TO SEE. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. SO, SO IT'S ALMOST A MOOT POINT. RIGHT. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? I DON'T DIS I DISAGREE WITH BEING A MOOT POINT. I THINK PART OF THE VISION BEHIND THIS WAS TO START PRIMING THE PUMP. AND THIS IS A CASE THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE JUST ACTIVELY, PROACTIVELY START LOOKING AT. AND SO, UH, AND THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE MOTIVATIONS BEHIND DOING THAT. YEAH. SO I STILL SAY WE, WE VOTE. SURE. WE MAKE A MOTION VOTE. THAT WAY IT'S IN THE MINUTES. WE, IF EVEN IF THEY SAY WE DON'T, I STILL SAY WE REVIEW IT. 'CAUSE UH, IT, [01:05:01] IT IS BECAUSE OF THE VISIBILITY ALSO BECAUSE IT, THAT'S OUR JOB. SO ANYONE MAKE A MOTION NOW? MOTION'S ALREADY BEEN MADE, SECONDED. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION NOW. YOU CAN CALL FOR THE VOTE. WHAT HE SAID. ANYBODY WILL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. RAISE YOUR HAND. AYE. CAN I ABSTAIN? OKAY. UH, ONE WANNA ABSTAIN, UH, THE REST TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL ADD THAT. ALL RIGHT. UH, APPROVAL [10. Approval to establish the Operational Review Pipeline, including the simultaneous transfer of Internal Affairs (IA) cases from the Office of Police Oversight (OPO) to CPRC, preliminary case prioritization by the Case Review Working Group, and structured full commission review.] TO ESTABLISH THE OPERATIONAL REVIEW PIPELINE, UH, INCLUDING A SIMULTANEOUS TRANSFER OF, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS CASES FROM THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT TO CPRC, PRELIMINARY CASE PRIORITIZATION BY THE CASE REVIEW WORKING GROUP AND STRUCTURE FULL COMMISSION REVIEW. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE KEVIN COMES IN, CORRECT? I'M SORRY. DOES THIS OPERATIONAL REVIEW PIPELINE, I, THIS IS ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM. I MAY, I I PUT THAT ON THE, I ASKED THAT TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO OPEN THE DISCUSSION ON THAT? YEAH. AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CASES, AND THE ISSUE OF BACKGROUND CHECKS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, AND I PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP AND IT CYCLES EVERY ABOUT THREE TO SIX MONTHS COMPRISE OF INDIVIDUALS WITH THE BACKGROUND CLEARANCE TO REVIEW CASES, TO BASICALLY TRIAGE THEM AND SEE WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR THE FULL COMMITTEE, SO THAT THE FULL COMMITTEE DOES NOT GET OVERWHELMED WITH EVERY CASE THAT'S IN THE SYSTEM. ONCE WE BRING THAT THOSE CASES UP, AND WE GIVE THE EXPLANATION OF WHY WE WANT YOU GUYS TO REVIEW THE CASES AS A FULL COMMITTEE, WE TAKE SELECTED CASES. UM, AND AS THE LADY WHO SPOKE TODAY SAID, I RECOMMENDED NO MORE THAN 25 CASES, UH, PER MONTH, UM, BECAUSE UNLESS IT'S EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, SO THAT WAY THAT IT'S NOT WASTING YOUR GUYS' TIME, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE CASE BY EVERY SINGLE MEMBER, BUT LIKE I SAID, TO AVOID BURNOUT OR ANY TYPE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THAT GROUP WILL BE ROTATED ON A WHATEVER WE DECIDE THREE TO SIX MONTH BASIS. AND THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR, FOR THAT IS SO THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE VETTED, WHO HAVE SEEN THE, ALL THE FOOTAGE. AND THEN IF WE WANNA BRING THOSE CASES BEFORE THE REVIEW COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE, WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN WE DO SO, SO THAT WE ARE NOT OVERWHELMED WHEN WE DO START GETTING CASES WITH 300 TO 600 CASES TO GO THROUGH AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. UM, AND IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME, AND I LIKE MY FRIDAY EVENINGS A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. UM, THE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS REVIEW STRUCTURE AND WORKFLOW, OPERATIONAL REVIEW PIPELINE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES. OKAY. AND IT'S, UH, VERY GOOD. WELL THOUGHT THROUGH DOCUMENT. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT FOR ANY DOCUMENTS PREPARED FOR BACKGROUND WE HAVE PREPARED BY, SO WE KNOW WHAT THE SOURCE OF IT IS. UM, SO IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THAT WAS, THAT WAS PREPARED IN COLLABORATION WITH THE VICE CHAIR AND MYSELF? OKAY. IT SAYS IT ON HERE ACTUALLY. WHERE IDENTIFI CASE OR DOES IT? I THOUGHT I SAW THAT. NOPE. YEAH. BUT YEAH, THE, THE VICE CHAIR AND MYSELF PREPARED THAT THOUGHT. OKAY. YEAH. IF, IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, BUT YOUR INITIALS DONE IT. UM, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THE BOTTOM? SO HOW DOES THIS, HOW DOES THIS DOVETAIL WITH THE PRESENTATION WE GOT FROM THE INDIVIDUAL FROM IA LAST TIME? AND THIS IS A QUESTION TO STAFF. HOLD ON SECOND. YEAH. KALE AND RYAN, UH, YOU JUST GOT A QUESTION FOR YEAH. THIS IS, UM, THE GENTLEMAN THAT PRESENTED TO US FROM, UH, LIEUTENANT WILSON FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS. AND SO I THOUGHT HE WAS WORKING ON THE PROCEDURE OF HOW WE WOULD GET AND DEAL WITH AND ADDRESS CASES. IF YOU REMEMBER ON, AT THE LAST MEETING, KEVIN PROVIDED FOR YOU A, A WORKFLOW IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD MM-HMM. WOULD LOOK LIKE. MM-HMM . SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE I'M [01:10:01] UNDERSTANDING, UH, ARE YOU PROPOSING A DIFFERENT WORKFLOW IN TERMS OF YES. NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO THINK. I'M, I'M PROPOSING AN INTERNAL WORKFLOW FOR OUR COMMISSION SO THAT OUR COMMISSION, ONCE WE GET THE CASES AND HAVE THEM AVAILABLE, THAT WE DON'T NEED A FULL QUORUM TO REVIEW SUCH CASES SO THAT WE SELECT THE CASES THAT ARE RELEVANT BASED ON THE, UH, WORKING GROUP THAT ESTABLISHES, AND THEN WE FORWARD THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FULL COMMISSION. AND THOSE ARE THE CASES THAT WE REVIEW TOGETHER AS A COMMISSION. OKAY. SO DOES THIS PICK UP WHERE, WHAT, MR. MASTER? YES. IT'S NOT NOT CHANGING ANYTHING THAT IG IS DOING OR ANY OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION. IT'S ONCE THOSE CASES ARE AVAILABLE FOR RELEASE, THAT WORKING GROUP WOULD REVIEW THOSE CASES AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATION ON THE CASES THAT WOULD BE PERTINENT TO OUR COMMISSION. AND UPON THAT RECOMMENDATION AND YOU GUYS ACCEPTING IT, THAT'S THE CASE THAT WE WOULD START WORKING ON SO THAT WE ARE NOT OVERWHELMED WITH EVERY SINGLE CASE. BECAUSE IF EVERYTHING'S IMPORTANT, AS I ALWAYS SAY, NOTHING'S IMPORTANT. SO IF WE HAVE EYES ON ALL OF THE CASES AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO GO THROUGH THEM, IT SAVES A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY SO THAT WE CAN PUT OUR EFFORTS TOWARDS ACTUAL CASES THAT NEED OUR ATTENTION. OKAY. SO IS THIS, AM I LOOKING AT THE WORKFLOW THAT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME? THAT IS CORRECT. BUT IT, IT APPEARS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER FLOOD IS, UM, RECOMMENDING AN INTERNAL PROCESS AMONGST US COMMISSIONERS. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. I ACTUALLY HAVE A, A SIMILAR IDEA. I THINK WE NEED TO SET UP A TYPE OF TRIAGE LIKE WHAT, UH, KEVIN, UH, MENTIONED AND MAYBE HAVE TWO WORKING GROUPS. YOUR MIC'S NOT WORKING? NO. LET'S SAY WE HAVE TWO WORKING GROUPS, UM, WHERE WE REVIEW IT, TRIAGE IT, DETERMINE WHAT OUR HIGH PRIORITY, WHAT OUR, UH, SIMPLE LESS, UM, HOW SHOULD I SAY THIS? CASES OF VERBAL ABUSE, I DON'T THINK TAKE AS HIGH, UH, OR PRECEDENT OVER, UH, POLICE BRUTALITY, UH, USE OF FORCE, ANY OF THOSE THINGS. I I SAY WE KIND OF, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, FOCUS ON WHAT THE, THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS FIRST. UH, OR YOU HAVE ONE GROUP THAT ONLY FOCUSES ON THE LOWER CLASS, UH, COMPLAINTS, VERBAL ABUSE, THOSE THINGS, AND WRITE THEIR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS. PRESENT IT, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE. BOOM. I THINK IF YOU HAVE ONLY ONE GROUP REVIEWING IT, THE OTHER GROUP NOT, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE SLOWING EVERYTHING DOWN. IT'S GONNA CREATE A BOTTLENECK. I AGREE. DOES THE OFFICE, I LIKE THAT INPUT. DOES THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT OR THE ATTORNEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS? UH, SIR, WE HAVE PROVIDED THE WORKFLOW IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, CASES WILL COME TO YOU, AND IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT YOU MAY RECEIVE FOUR OR FIVE CASES. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE COMMISSION HOW YOU DETERMINE THE REVIEW PROCESS AMONGST YOURSELVES. YEAH. I'M ASKING DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SIR? I DO NOT. YOU DO NOT. OKAY. AND I MAY COMMENT, YES. I, I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE SIMULTANEOUS TRANSFER OF IE CASES, STEP ONE. MM-HMM . UH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GOING WITH HERE, BUT, UH, THE FIRST BULLET REFLECTS THAT THE CASES WILL BE TRANSFERRED PRETTY MUCH SIMULTANEOUSLY FROM IAD TO OPO AND TO CPC. WHILE I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT, I DO NEED YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR CASE, ALL OF OUR INVESTIGATION IS NOT COMPLETE. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO THAT. SO I AGREE. YOU WILL GET A, YOU'LL GET A CASE FILE, BUT IT WILL BE UPDATED AT SOME POINT TO INCLUDE OUR SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENTS, BECAUSE A GOOD MAJORITY OF OUR WORK ALSO BEGINS AFTER IAD HAS TRANSFERRED THE CASE TO THE OFFICER'S CHAIN OF COMMAND. YEAH, I, UM, I UNDERSTOOD THAT. AND THE REASON I PROPOSED SIMULTANEOUSLY IS BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, UM, I SAW HOW QUICKLY CASES GET ADJUDICATED. SO WE WAIT ON YOU GUYS TO MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THAT LEAVES FOR US TO MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION. SO IT'S OKAY IF THE CASES ARE UPDATED AFTER YOU GUYS DO YOUR WORK, AND WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT I WANT TO BE AS PROACTIVE AS POSSIBLE. GOOD IDEA ON OUR END. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA ACTUALLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY WE CAN WORK CONCURRENTLY ON IT AND HOLD OFF OUR [01:15:01] ANY RECOMMENDATION AND AD INDICATION UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE YOUR FULL REPORT. THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD IDEA. CAN I, YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I MADE, I MADE, MADE THE PROPOSAL THAT WAY. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, INSIGHT INTO THAT BECAUSE THE, UH, WHOLE GOAL IS TO HAVE, ALLOW EVERYONE TIME TO GIVE THEIR INPUT. RIGHT. YOU GUYS GET IT AFTER IA AND THEN I DON'T WANT TO GET IT SUBSEQUENT TO YOU GUYS. I WANT TO GET IT AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW HOW TO TRIAGE THESE CASES REALLY FAST AND GET TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES AND THEN GO INTO YOUR INVESTIGATIVE WORK. WE'RE STILL FORMING AND WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT LEAD TIME. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. FROZE. YEAH. SO ESSENTIALLY TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE, THERE WAS CONCERN OF HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN THIS BODY TO START GETTING GOING. AND I THINK ACTION ITEMS NINE AND 10 WAS AN ATTEMPT TO, I USE THE TERM AGAIN, TO PRIME THE PUMP. MM-HMM . THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE WAYS OF US MAKING SURE THAT THAT NO CASE GETS THROUGH, THAT IT, THINGS ARE NOT PRE-FILTERED. SO WE HAVE AN OPTION SEAL THEM, AND I THINK THAT ITEM NINE WAS, WAS ORIGINALLY SELECTED JUST TO PUT ONE THAT WAS UP THERE, SHOULD COME TO US AND EVENTUALLY, SO THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA, BUT BETWEEN THESE TWO AND TRY TO PRIME THE PUMP SO WE CAN GET STARTED. YEAH. AND I LOOK AT THOSE AND I'M DISAPPOINTED I DIDN'T PASS, BUT THAT'S FINE. WE'LL, GOT A CHANCE LATER, BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK, UH, I SUBORDINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER FLOYD AND, AND, AND VICE CHAIR CHAIRMAN. 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY WORKED ON, ON TRYING TO, TO GET SOMETHING TO START. SO, OKAY. ACTUALLY, I, UH, ACTUALLY I WARM UP THE STAND, SO YOU RIGHT. IT DIDN'T PASS. ALL RIGHT. UH, UM, I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. GOOD. AGAIN, THIS IS A, A GOOD OUTLINE WORKFLOW. UM, JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR CLARITY. SO WHEN WE GET TO, UM, STEP TWO, SECOND BULLET POINT CPRC WILL TRACK REVIEW TIMELINES, ET CETERA, IDENTIFY CASES WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. UH, ARE THESE, HOW DO YOU DEFINE IDENTIFY CASES? THESE COMPLETE IDENTIFY CASES? THE, THE WORK, THE, THE CASES THAT THE WORKING GROUP SELECTS OUT OF THE CASES THAT WE WENT THROUGH. SO NOW THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS HAVING TWO DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS, ONE FOR HIGH B OR SHORT TURNAROUND CASES AND ANOTHER FOR MORE, UM, I WON'T SAY PEDESTRIAN CASES, BUT LACK OF SERIOUS DEFENSE TYPE CASES THAT ARE STILL CONCERNING TO THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. LOWER TWO DIFFERENT TRACKS. YEAH. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UM, THAT'S HOW I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, WE DO IT IS, UH, TAKE THOSE CASES, ESPECIALLY IF LIKE A CASE IS 325 DAYS OLD WHEN WE GET IT RIGHT. SO THE DECISION'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MADE SOON. SO, OR IF A CASE IS REALLY THE CASE IDENTIFIED AS AS HIGH PRIORITY OR, YEAH, HIGH, HIGH PRIORITY IN EITHER TIMELINE TO STATUTORY ADJUDICATION OR HIGH PRIORITY DUE TO EITHER THE HIGH VISIBILITY OR THE HIGH, UH, SENSE OF NATURE OF THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT. SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LOW PRIORITY CASES OR EXPEDITED? THEY, THEY WILL STILL GET, THAT'S WHY HE SAID THERE'LL BE TWO TRACKS THEY'LL STILL GET LOOKED AT. THEY JUST WON'T BE, UM, EVERYTHING CAN'T BE A PRIORITY. SO EVERYTHING HAS TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A ORDER OF IMPORTANCE. IT'S NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT, THEY JUST, IT'S LIKE ANIMAL FORM, RIGHT? ALL ANIMALS ARE CREATED EQUAL, BUT SOME ANIMALS, SO WHEN THEY GET LOOKED MORE AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WOULD GET LOOKED AT WITHIN THE, THE COURSE OF THAT WORKING GROUP. SO THERE WILL BE A PRIORITY WORKING GROUP AND A NON-PRIORITY WORKING GROUP. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MAKES SENSE. I THINK. WE'LL, IS THAT IN HERE? NO, IT'S, I JUST SUGGESTED. OKAY. NO, BECAUSE JOHN JUST PROPOSED THAT IN THE DISCUSSION. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'LL TRIAGE IT AND SEPARATE IT OUT AND THE, THE GROUP WITH THE LESSER OFFENSES, LIKE VERBAL ABUSE OR OFFICER, UH, NOT BEING VERY CORDIAL. AND AND THESE, THESE CASES WOULD BE THOSE THAT HAVE COMPLETED THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS FROM OPO? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S BEFORE, THAT'S, WE WOULDN'T, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD TAKE THE LOOK. THEY'D BE COMPLETED BY OPO. NO, THE, THE PRIORITY CASES WOULD BE COMPLETE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH OPO, THE LO, THE OTHER WORKING GROUP. THAT'S FINE IF YOU WANNA ALLOW OPO TO TAKE, UH, MAKE THEIR DECISIONS FIRST. BUT THE PRIORITY CASES, WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE, MORE TIME BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY COULD BE [01:20:01] ABOUT TO, UM, MEET THAT STATUTORY LIMIT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GET IT. WILL WE BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON A CASE THAT WOULDN'T BE COMPLETED BY OPO? NO, NOT YET. YEAH. HOLD ON. HOLD. WE'RE GETTING, I'M SIMULTANEOUSLY, I DON'T, WELL, NO, NOT MAKE RECOMMENDATION PER SE, BUT WE WOULD BE WORKING THE CASE AT THE SAME TIME THAT OPO IS WORKING THE CASE, BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO MAKE OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT HEARING WHAT OPO HAS TO SAY. YEAH. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BRING UP BECAUSE IF YOU WANNA HAVE THINGS TRANSMITTED CONCURRENTLY, THEN WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE, THOSE TYPE OF CASES ARE. SO THE MORE VIOLENT, UH, ANYTHING, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW WE CAN DO THAT, UH, WITHOUT DISCUSSING THAT WITH KEVIN AND IA. 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO FIND OUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IDENTIFYING THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA GET THE COMPLAINT AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T DICTATE WHAT OUR SYSTEM IS. THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH INTERNALLY. RIGHT. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT YOU ARE AN INDEPENDENT BODY AND RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. I UNDERSTAND. I'M SAYING AS FAR AS WHEN THE COMPLAINT COMPLAINT COMES IN, WHO DOES IT COME INTO YOU? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE SHOULD GET A COPY OF ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND THEN, AND A LIST AND THEN PICK THEM. IS THAT HOW WE CAN DO THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THAT'S THE DISCONNECT FOR ME. SO IF WE KNOW, WE SEE 50 COMPLAINTS, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, OKAY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, WELL, WE'LL DEFINITELY WANNA LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO SEE THE LIST AND THEN SEPARATE IT OUT OURSELVES INTERNALLY SO WE KNOW WHICH GROUP IS GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT. UM, AND MAKING WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION. SO THE NONVIOLENT, THE, THE FALL LANGUAGE, WHATEVER. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO WE NEED TO SEE THAT LIST AS, AS IT'S UP. SO EVERY MONTH WE SHOULD GET A COPY OF THAT. IS MY, MY POINT IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? UH, WE GET THE CASES AS OP AS OPO GETS THE CASES, SO I'M SURE THERE MAY BE LIKE A 24 HOUR DELAY, BUT, UM, RIGHT. I'M SAYING THE COMPLAINT, THE COMPLAINT LIST AS IT AS THEY COME IN, WE SHOULD BE GETTING AN ACT, AN ACTIVE UPDATE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LIST OR IT, IS IT, UH, IS IT GONNA BE ON A PORTAL? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT LOOKS. UM, I, THAT'S WHY I WAS WAITING ON OP TO EXPLAIN TO US HOW THAT'S GONNA BE TRANSMITTED OVER. I DON'T THINK THEY HAD A SOLID ANSWER OF THE LAST MEETING. I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE WORKING ON. YEAH. IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE, WE CAN DISCUSS AND BRING BACK TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION, UH, IN THE, IN THE NEXT MEETING. I DON'T, I DON'T, FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT SURE, UH, WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS IN THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, BUT DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WILL THINK THROUGH AND, AND, AND BRING FORWARD A RESPONSE IN THE NEXT MEETING. BECAUSE IF WE GET A LIST OF ALL ACT ALL COMPLAINTS EVERY MONTH MM-HMM . AND SO THERE'S A NEW ONE ADDED AT THE END OF THE MONTH, AND WE DON'T GET IT UNTIL, IF WE HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING, THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE OF IT. BUT WE, WE'LL NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY OF THE CASE SO WE CAN START OUR OWN TRIAGE AND, AND, UH, AND START LOOKING AT THE CASE. AND SO WE UNDERSTAND, IS THIS GOING TO THE WORKING GROUP FOR THE, WAITING ON A, A FINAL REPORT FOR THE CONCURRENT INFORMATION? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? OKAY. FILE LANGUAGE. YOU KNOW, THIS, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO THIS OTHER THAN OFFICERS BEING A JERK. SO LET'S, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WASTE THE COMMISSION AND TIME ON ADJUDICATING IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION BACK AND THEN THEY FINISH THEIR INVESTIGATION AND THEY CAN MOVE ON FORWARD. IS THAT, THAT WOULD WORK, ADAM? I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT. I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE WISE, LIKE THE DIRECTOR SAID, IF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON A CASE REVIEW WORKING GROUP FOR IF THAT ACTION ACTUALLY PASSES FOR US JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THAT GROUP SO WE CAN FURTHER TALK THROUGH A PROCESS AND MAYBE BRING A FINALIZED PROCESS BACK NEXT MONTH. OKAY. WELL, I'M SAYING WE'LL HAVE TWO GROUPS. YEAH. ONE WOULD BE THE LESSER ONES AND THEN, OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. ALL RIGHT. AND FOR, AND FOR INSIGHT THROUGH THE, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER YOUR LA NAME, MA'AM. NO DISRESPECT. UM, FROM OPO, THE, THE FEMALE, UM, GAIL, YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST MEETING. YEAH, GAIL, BRO, I GOT TWO TBIS. LEAVE ME ALONE. UM, BUT, UM, I GOT SIX, WHAT WE DISCUSSED, WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST MEETING WAS, UM, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW IS IT GOING TO BE A PORTAL OR HOW WE WOULD ASSESS ALL THE ACTIVE AND, [01:25:01] UM, FUTURE CASES IN AN EFFICIENT WAY. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WAIT A MONTH BECAUSE I LEARNED THAT IN A MONTH, A WHOLE A CASE COULD BE ADJUDICATED, RIGHT? WE GOT THAT. IF THE CASE HAPPENED ON MAY 1ST, AND YOU GUYS GET IT MAY 2ND, IF WE'RE WAITING UNTIL JUNE 1ST, UH, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SHOWN THAT THE CASE COULD ALREADY BE DISPOSED OF. SO WE WANT TO GET IT, THAT'S WHY I SAID CONCURRENT IN REAL TIME WHEN YOU HAVE IT, AND WHATEVER THAT NOTIFICATION PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AND THAT COMMUNICATION PROCESS, UH, ONCE WE DO VOTE ON THE WORKING GROUP, IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, THEN I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION FOR NEXT MEETING ON CODIFYING HOW THAT TRANSFER PROCESS, UM, WILL BE SET UP SO IT CAN WORK EFFICIENTLY. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. UM, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION. UNDER THE 48 HOURS, WITHIN 48 HOURS, THESE CASES WILL BE ASSIGNED AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE FULL COMMISSION STAFF. DID YOU MEAN JUST FULL COMMISSION? YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A STAFF. YEAH. OUR STAFF IS OPO, BASICALLY. OKAY. . YEAH. UM, BUT L LAURA DID ALL THE FLOWERY WRITING. I JUST GAVE HER MY RECOMMENDATIONS AND SHE MADE IT MAKE SENSE? NO, I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT START FOR A FRAMEWORK, RIGHT? I LIKE IT. GREAT START. SO YEAH, SHE TOLD ME TO KEEP USING THAT TEMPLATE. HOW DO WE GET BEYOND IT BEING A GREAT START? UH, DO WE WANT TO EDIT AND MAKE CHANGES NOW OR DO A WORKING GROUP? UM, WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE, I THINK WE VOTE ON ESTABLISHING THE WORKING GROUP WELL, UM, AND THE TWO WORKING GROUPS. MM-HMM . IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO, TO, TO VOTE ON AMENDED, AMENDED VERSION OF 10, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, THE CHAIR TRIED TO AMEND. AND I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER FLOYD AGREED ON. AND THEN, THEN THERE WILL BE A WORKING GROUP THAT WOULD BE 11. THAT'S THE SETUP TO DO THAT WORK. AND THEN THEY'RE THE ONES THAT CAN THEN IN DETAIL WORK WITH THE OPO TO, YEAH. TO, TO, TO FINALIZE THAT. RIGHT NOW IT SAYS HERE, APPROVAL TO ESTABLISH THE OPERATIONAL REVIEW PIPELINE. AND I'M, THIS PIPELINE NEEDS SOME EDITS YES. OR CHANGES. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M, BUT AMENDING IT MEANS WE ARE, WE'RE DOING, WE ARE AMENDING IT NOW, RIGHT? YEAH. DO YOU HAVE THIS OPEN ON YOUR COMPUTER WHERE YOU CAN MAKE THE CHANGES AND SEND IT? OOH, HOLD ON. DO MATCH. BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MY COMPUTER WITH ME. AND NEIL, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN THIS THAT'S AN ISSUE? NO. LEGAL CONCERN. OKAY. JUST HE'S THE ATTORNEY. JUST MAKING SURE. WELL, EVERYTHING'S BEING RECORDED, RIGHT? CAN WE JUST, CAN WE MAKE VERBAL AMENDMENTS? YEAH. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. THAT'S A LOT EASIER. YEAH. LET'S, UH, ADD TWO WORKING GROUPS AND, UH, WE NEED A TRIAGE. THE FIRST GROUP WILL TRIAGE THINGS AND SEPARATE OUT THE LOWER, LOWER CLASS OFFENSES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. AND THE OTHER GROUP WILL, WILL GET THE HEAVIER CASES, UH, THAT'LL BE WORKING CONCURRENTLY WITH, UH, OPO AND IA. DOES THAT WORK? AND THEN, YEAH. AND THEN, UH, OPO WILL GIVE US, GIVE THE, UH, WORKING GROUP, UM, FEEDBACK AT NET'S MEETING ON HOW THIS PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. UM, TRANSFERENCE OF CASES CAN, IN A GO AHEAD. CAN, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE THE WORK GROUPS, CAN WE HAVE A OUTCOME OR POTENTIAL ACTION ITEM WHERE THAT WORK GROUP WOULD MEET WITH, WITH OPO? AND THEN THE WORK GROUP, WHOEVER IS OVER THAT WORK GROUP, CAN INFORM THE COMMISSION ON HOW THE WORK GROUP IS GONNA WORK, AS OPPOSED TO US TELLING THEM. YEAH. I, I'D LIKE TO BE ON THAT. ANYBODY ELSE? ABSOLUTELY. ANYBODY ELSE WANNA JOIN US? I'M DOWN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? UM, I, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE AN ODD NUMBER, LIKE EITHER THREE OR FIVE. YEAH, LET'S DO THREE AND THAT WAY WE CAN, UH, BECAUSE ONCE WE INTERFACE LIKE THAT, I THINK IT'LL MAKE THINGS A LOT EASIER AND WE CAN BRING STUFF BACK TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION. SO JUST, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. I THINK MS. RUSSELL, ARE WE, WE, ARE WE AT THE POINT WHERE WE SHOULD VOTE ON 10 AND THEN, AND THEN 11. AMEN. BECAUSE 11 IS YOUR AMENDED ONE FOR TWO GROUPS. I DON'T THINK WE EVER VOTED ON 10. WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON 10. OKAY. [01:30:01] ALL RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE MS. RUSSELL HAD HER HAND UP. GO AHEAD, KATHY. UM, YES, MIKE, UH, UH, MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO GROUPS, ONE GROUP, THAT ONE GROUP THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND THEN PRIORITIZING THEM. YES. YES. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, AND THEN THE OTHER WORKING GROUP THAT WE'RE DOING IS GOING TO BE REVIEWING HIGH PROFILE CASES. YES. THE HAVE ONES. SO, OKAY. SO ONCE THAT FIRST GROUP TRIAGES THEM MM-HMM . THEY'LL TAKE ON THE, THE PRIORITY CASES OR THE, UH, HIGH PRIORITY, HIGH VISIBILITY CASES, AND THEN THE LOWER PRIORITY CASES WILL BE CONDUCTED, UM, HANDED OVER TO THE SECOND WORKING GROUP. OKAY. SO THAT WE'RE WORKING CURRENTLY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. YEAH, IT'S FINE. I MEAN, WE'RE BASICALLY, YOU'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF COMPLAINTS AND OKAY. I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THE GROUP THAT'S TRIAGING ALL THE COMPLAINTS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH OF, OF THE, OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS BEING EXPOSED TO ALL THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WE'RE NOT TRAINED PROFESSIONALS AND THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IF IT MIGHT BE BETTER SPLIT UP AMONGST US. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE WORKING GROUP. I, I AM VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AND READY TO GET GOING TOO. UM, SO, UH, IF THIS IS WHAT WE DO MOVING FORWARD, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, BUT JUST A CONCERN I HAD JUST A COMMENT. I, ONE, ONE THING IS TO ESTABLISH A WORKING GROUP AND A SEPARATE THING IS THE MEMBERS AND WHO'S GONNA BE IN THERE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED, WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, ROTATE OR LATER. YEAH. YEAH. AND YOU CAN, YEAH, WE SAID THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO ROTATE, UH, ROLES AND POSITIONS ON A THREE TO SIX MONTH BASIS. YEAH. SO THAT NO ONE IS FINISHED AS A BURNOUT OR, YOU KNOW, VICARIOUS TRAUMA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT IS REAL. WELL, IF WE HAVE OF A REAL CONCERN, IF WE HAVE FIVE, THREE CAN BE THE CONSTANT REVIEW, AND THEN IF THE, THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA BURN OUT, WE BE, HAVE LIKE A BACKUP. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN JUST SWITCHING OUT. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THE ODD NUMBER THREE OR FIVE, UM, YOU HAVE THREE REVIEWING IT, THEN WHEN ONE OF 'EM GETS TOO BUSY. YEAH. SO I THINK THE US PLUS, UH, MAYBE LAURA ARE PROBABLY THE CONSUMMATE PEOPLE THAT ATTEND THESE MEETINGS RIGHT NOW. SO THREE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST BET FOR BOTH GROUPS RIGHT NOW, JUST BECAUSE WE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF MY MOTIONS AT THE END, IS THAT APPARENTLY THERE'S A LIST AND WE CAN PULL FROM A STANDBY LIST AND GET NEW MEMBERS. AND I WOULD, THAT'S GONNA BE A RECOMMENDATION AT THE END. BUT FOR NOW, I THINK THREE PER GROUP IS ABOUT ALL WE COULD DO. 'CAUSE WE BARELY HAVE SEVEN TO EIGHT THAT ATTEND EACH MEETING. RIGHT. OKAY. SO DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE, UH, APPROVE THE, UM, AMENDED NUMBER 10? I BELIEVE MR. GREEN SAID WE NEED TO GO, WE NEED TO GO FOR TEN FIRST. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND THEN 11. OKAY. YEAH. SO DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE AMENDMENTS AND APPROVE IT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO I NEED TO DO A MOTION? YES. LIKE DO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS? I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS. OKAY. ALL [11. Approval to establish a Case Review Working Group (3–5 members) to preliminarily assess and prioritize cases, submitting them weekly to the Chair and Vice-Chair for full commission review.] RIGHT. NUMBER 11. UH, THE APPROVAL TO ESTABLISH, UH, TWO WORKING GROUPS AS DISCUSSED. TWO PER PRIMARILY ASSESS AND PRIORITIZE CASES, SUBMITTING THEM WEEKLY TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR FULL COMMISSION REVIEW. UH, ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? I MAKE A MOTION ON NUMBER ONE. OKAY. UH, SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. UNANIMOUS. OKAY. UH, NUMBER [12. Approval to establish Commission Review Working Groups of at least three commissioners to conduct full reviews of cases identified by the Case Review Working Group.] 12. I THINK THIS IS A REPEAT, ISN'T IT? APPROVAL TO ESTABLISH COMMISSION REVIEW WORKING GROUPS? YEAH. IS THAT THE SAME? IT'S A . IS THIS THE SAME OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING? SOUNDS LIKE A REPEAT TO ME. YEAH, SORRY. IT SOUNDED LIKE THE 11 WAS THE PRIORITIZATION GROUPS, AND THEN IT LOOKED LIKE 12 WOULD BE, UH, SEVERAL WORKING GROUPS TO, TO DO THE REVIEW ITSELF. BUT AT LEAST THAT'S, AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I READ IT. I PERSONALLY THOUGHT IT WAS PREMATURE RIGHT NOW, SO I WAS GONNA ABSTAIN ANYWAY, SO I DON'T, I LIKE, I LIKE THE WAY THAT WE, UH, WENT THROUGH 10 AND 11 AND KIND OF MESHED THE TWO TOGETHER. SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE. OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH ABSTAINING FROM THAT ONE TOO. I'M GONNA CROSS THAT OFF. STRIKE IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, UH, REDUNDANT. ALRIGHT. APPROVAL. THE [13. Approval of a request to review Office of Police Oversight (OPO) cases from the past 365 days.] REQUEST TO REVIEW OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT CASES FROM THE PAST 365 DAYS. IS THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. NO, THAT'S OKAY. SORRY. [01:35:01] OH, NO, I'M SORRY. YEAH, WE DO. I'LL, WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO FIND, IS THAT, I MEAN, IF THAT'S FROM THE LAST MEETING, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST MEETING, THAT WE WANT ALL THE OPEN CASES THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE, AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT HAD TO BE ON THE AGENDA IN ORDER TO MAKE IT, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE AGENDA. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK GAIL, HOW MANY THERE ARE THAT ARE OPEN STILL, OR, OR KEVIN, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OPEN CASES WE HAVE STILL? NO, FOR LAST YEAR, QUITE A FEW . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BALLPARK. COUPLE HUNDRED 50 MORE THAN THAT? 700. OOH, . ANYBODY IN THE GALLERY WANNA BE ON THE COMMISSION? ? NO, IT WAS SERIOUS. AND THIS IS, IS NOT SPECIFIED, BUT YOU INTENDED IT TO BE ONLY OPEN CASES, NOT ALL CASES FROM THE LAST YEAR. I MEAN, WE CAN REVIEW THE CLOSED CASES. I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, I DIDN'T SPECIFY. UM, IF YOU THINK THAT'LL HELP YOU, UM, BE BETTER COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. OKAY. BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACTIVE CASES AND, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SOME INPUT ON THEM. SO CLOSED CASES, I'M CASES, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE CLOSED CASES. ARE CLOSED CASES, UH, AVAILABLE PUBLICLY ALREADY, OR CLOSED CASES AVAILABLE, UM, PUBLICLY. THAT'S MY QUESTION. I MEAN, ARE THE COMPLAINTS ON OUR, ON OUR WEBSITE? SO THEY ARE, YES. ALL OF THE 2023 COMPLAINTS ARE, UH, POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE. OKAY. YEAH. AND IT WOULDN'T BE POSTED YET, WOULD BE OPEN CASES. CORRECT. AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE OPEN CASES. SO, AND MY QUESTION, MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. AND MY QUESTION IS ON YOUR WEBSITE, DOES IT HAVE THE IG RECOMMENDATIONS? IA, OPOS RECOMMENDATION IA, I'M SORRY. I'VE BEEN IN THE MILITARY TOO LONG. I A'S RECOMMENDATIONS, OPO AND OPOS RECOMMENDATIONS IN THOSE CLOSED CASES? IT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S ON THE PUBLIC WEBSITE IS PURSUANT TO ORDINANCE, WE HAVE AN EXTERNAL COMPLAINT FORM THAT INCLUDES THE ACTUAL VERBIAGE OF THE COMPLAINT. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF HOW IT SHOULD BE PROCESSED. WHEN OPO SENT IT TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE DISPOSITION OF ANY OF THE CASES ON THE PUBLIC WEBSITE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE CASES WHERE AN OFFICER OR A CASE WAS SUSTAINED AND AN OFFICER MAY HAVE BEEN DISCIPLINED. SOME OF THOSE ARE ON, ON OUR PUBLIC WEBSITE AS INDEPENDENT MEMOS NOT AFFILIATED WITH OUR EXTERNAL. OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE ACCESS TO ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT IS NOT PUBLIC. SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE, AS AS THAT MOTION IS WRITTEN, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE IT TO GO FORWARD AS THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A COMPLETE PICTURE. I AGREE. UH, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION SAYING THAT, UH, WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? NUMBER? 13. 13. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER 13. ALL RIGHT. SECOND, I VOTE AGAINST YOU WANT TRANSPARENCY, BUT YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR THAT ONE, CHRIS. WELL, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GET OUR PROCESS AND ORDER AND HOW WE'RE TR TRIAGING. I CAN'T SAY THE WORD. THIS WILL WORK WITH IT THOUGH, WON'T IT? THIS WILL GIVE US A START SO WE CAN TRIAGE AND GO THROUGH IT AND SET UP, SINCE WE'RE SETTING UP THE WORKING GROUPS INSTEAD OF WAITING ON OTHER CASES AS THEY COME THROUGH, ARE, I JUST THINK ALREADY IN OUR PROCESS DOWN BEFORE WE, BUT THAT'S JUST, IT HASN'T BEEN SECONDED. I'M JUST ONE ION I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS. OH, WELL WE, AT THE POINT OF IF YOU'RE MOVED, IT'S GOTTA BE EITHER SECONDED OR IT DIES. IT FAILS FOR A, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. ARE WE STILL IN DISCUSSION? YES. UNTIL WE GET, UNTIL WE GET TO THE SECOND. A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE. IT HAS NOT BEEN SECONDED. YEAH. SO ANYBODY WANNA SECOND IT? MAY I ASK FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? I APOLOGIZE. ARE WE ON ITEM 13 OR 14? 13. 13. 13. THANK YOU. NOT A PROBLEM. OKAY. YEAH, I SECOND IT. OKAY. YOU CAN I SECOND IT. SO NOW IT'S ALL FOR DISCUSSION. NOW IT'S OPEN FOR VOTE. OKAY. UM, OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WITH IT'S, THE SYSTEM IS GONNA BE SET UP WHERE THE COMMISSION IS FREE TO GO AND SEE ALL THE CASES THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING UP, REVIEW THEM, TRIAGE THEM, DECIDE YOU KNOW, HOW TO BREAK THEM OUT AND HOW TO ANALYZE THEM. WHY IS THERE 13 NEEDED? I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THAT 13 IS ALREADY PART OF WHAT THE COMMISSION COULD [01:40:01] GO AND LOOK AT. THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT ONE. IT'S REDUNDANT. YEAH. BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE FIRST THING. IT'S THE WAY WE CAN REQUEST IT OFFICIALLY AND JUST MAKE SURE WE, IT'S A PROCESS. IT'S A PROCESS. AND IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO LOOK BACK AT CASES THAT ARE ALREADY ADJUDICATED, BECAUSE THE CASES ON THE PUBLIC FACING WEBSITE DON'T TELL WHAT HAPPENED, AS HE SAID, EXCEPT ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS. SO WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT THE OPOS RECOMMENDATION WAS AND THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. RIGHT. WITHOUT, UH, TAKING THIS MOTION. WELL, ACTUALLY, I, I BEG THE DIFFER. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS COMMISSION COULD GO AND ASK, WE CAN FOR ANY CASE CLOSED OR NOT CLOSED AND JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE TWO TEST CASES. CASES. BUT WE DON'T, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CASES THEY ARE, ARE RIGHT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PAST CASES ARE UNLESS WE, UNLESS WE, UM, BUT HAVE THIS MO THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED THE MOTION, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT CASES TO GO ASK FOR OR WHAT WAS PERTINENT FROM 365 DAYS AGO. OKAY. SO BASICALLY THEY SAID THEY ALREADY HAVE A BACKLOG OF ACTIVE CASES THAT ARE LESS THAN 365 DAYS OLD. THAT IS UPWARDS OF 300 CASES ALREADY. IS THAT RIGHT? SO THE WAY, I GUESS THE WAY YOU'RE SEEING IT IS WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVED TO PUT THE PROCESS IN PLACE THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. ANYTHING THAT COMES IN NEW, YOU GET FIRSTHAND TO SEE IT. RIGHT? BUT YOU WANTED SURE. YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND SEE THE LAST YEAR AND ADD THOSE TO IT. YES. YES. WANT THE BREACH BACK CAPABILITY. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY MORE DISCUSSION? YEAH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? DO, DO WE NEED TO VOTE? I MEAN, ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE FINALLY? I THINK I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE PHYSIC THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, HOW THIS ACTS TO, I DON'T ENTIRELY UNDERSTAND. I DON'T HAVE A 13 ON MY AGENDA, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR. SO THIS IS FOR THE, THE, JUST THIS, JUST FOR THE PRIOR YEAR, CORRECT? IN THE LAST 365 DAYS? YES. BECAUSE ANY CASE OUTSIDE OF THAT IS, UM, IS COMPLETELY CLOSED OUT ANYWAY. BUT THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THE OPEN AND CLOSED CASES THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST 365 YEARS, A DAYS, BECAUSE IT WILL BOTH LOOKING AT THE CLOSED CASE WILL INFORM OUR PROCESS, BUT LOOKING AT THE OPEN CASES WILL ALSO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO HAVE INPUT IN THOSE CASES. SO THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT WAS FOR CASES MOVING FORWARD FROM THE TIME THIS AMENDMENT WAS PASSED, THIS IS LOOKING IN RETROSPECT FOR THE LAST 365 DAYS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK WITH THE TRIAGE OF THOSE, THAT'LL HELP US REFINE PROCESSES TOO. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I, I KNOW THERE ARE RESERVATIONS, BUT, BUT I THINK HAVING, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET THAT, THAT CONTENT TO START REVIEWING, YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA MOVING FORWARD AS WE GET BRAND NEW CASES COMING. YEAH, SOME LIKE PRACTICE. WE SEE ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE, THAT, UH, GAIL, UH, MENTIONED. I THINK HAVING THAT, THOSE CASES TO LOOK AT WILL HELP US REVIEW THINGS ALL. SO, UH, DO WE NEED TO VOTE? YES, WE DO. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A AYE. KATHY, ARE YOU IN? OKAY, I'LL APPROVED YOU. UNANIM? UH, I DON'T THINK SO. NOT SIR. COMMISSIONER, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM. UM, THAT WELL, YOU GUYS OPPOSED? OH, ANY OPPOSED? UH, I OPPOSE. OKAY. AND, AND, AND SO THE THEREFORE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE MOTION DIDN'T PASS? CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEP. SO, [14. Approval of a recommendation letter to APD for the proactive release of redacted body-worn camera (BWC) footage from ICE-related protests in June 2025.] APPROVAL OF RECOMMENDATION LETTER TO A PD FOR PROACTIVE RELEASE. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS. UH, DO WE APPROVE IT IN ITS CURRENT FORM OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO IT BEFORE IT GOES OUT? OR DO WE WANNA WAIT? UH, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND, AND MAKE SURE WE, IT'S NOT BAD, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. OKAY. I THINK WE NEED TO, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PAUSED AS FAR AS WITH THE CITY AS OF JUNE 30TH, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHERE, WHY IT'S PAUSED, IF IT'S UNDER REVIEW, WHAT THE STATUS IS. SORRY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ITEM 14? YES. BODY-WORN. I'M SORRY. RECOMMENDATION. [01:45:02] I WAS LOOKING SOMETHING. PVDI WAS THINKING OF THE, UH, LICENSE PLATE READER. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. SO 14. 14. YEAH. UH, I STILL THINK WE NEED TO, YEAH, I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE WITH THIS ONE. SO AGAIN, WHO, WHO IS THIS PREPARED BY? CHRIS? I UNDERSTAND ME. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH, UH, US EVERYONE TAKING IT HOME AND, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER IT HAS TO BE RUN BY WHOEVER YOU GUYS WANNA DO IT. YEAH, I'VE READ IT SEVERAL TIMES. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO REVIEW, NEIL? NO. ALRIGHT. UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO SHELVE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH. UH, LET US REVIEW IT AND EMAIL COMMENTS BACK AND IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES, UH, BEFORE WE SEND IT. . ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S PUSH THIS TO AUGUST FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION. AND AGAIN, I WOULD REQUEST WHEN IT COMES BACK, JUST PLEASE HAVE IT LABELED AS WHO IS WHO, WHO IT WAS PREPARED BY. YEAH, IT SHOULD ALWAYS INITIAL, IF NOTHING ELSE AT THE BOTTOM, UH, WRITTEN BY OR WHATEVER. AND IF IT'S COLLABORATION, TERRY AND LAURA SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE THAT. ALL RIGHT. UH, [15. Approval to create a working group to review the May 2025 Police Use of Force report presented to Austin City Council, including findings from Dr. Robin Engel.] 15 OR, UH OH, THIS IS A FUN ONE. APPROVAL TO CREATE A WORK GROUP REVIEW. THE MAY 25TH POLICE USE OF FORCE REPORT, UH, PRESENTED TO THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL, UM, BACK ON MAY AND MAY OF THIS YEAR, UH, INCLUDED FINDINGS FROM DR. ROBIN ENGEL. UH, I FOUND THAT VERY INTERESTING. I'VE READ IT SEVERAL TIMES. UH, I DO THINK THIS IS WORTH IT BECAUSE IT WILL GO HAND IN HAND WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING AS FAR AS, UH, POLICE USE OF FORCE. UH, THERE'S A HUGE DISPARITY BASED ON THEIR STUDY. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GET YOUR OPINIONS ON IT AND, UH, HAVE THIS FOR DISCUSSION, UM, AND SET UP A WORKING GROUP TO, TO, UH, LOOK AT IT DEEPER. AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE, WOULD THERE BE A PRODUCT OR OUTCOME? OR WHAT'S THE END? YEAH. WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING. I'M ASKING IF IF THEY WERE TO REVIEW IT AFTER THEY REVIEW IT, THE WORKING GROUP, THEN WHAT I, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND TALK TO, UH, OPO AND IA AND SEE HOW THIS INFORMATION IS BEING, BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY PRESENTED TO THE CITY, UH, THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT HAS BEING, UH, UTILIZED BY THE POLICE FORCE AND IF IT'S BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR TRAINING, HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S AFFECTED, UH, TRAINING AND, UH, EVERYDAY USE. SO IT GOES FROM THEORY TO PRACTICAL USE. UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. WHY DO WE NEED A WORKING GROUP FOR, FOR REVIEWING THAT? I MEAN, HAVE YOU SEEN IT? NO. IT'S LIKE, WHAT, 80 PAGES? I JUST THINK IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO YEAH. BUT, BUT THE OUTCOME, OKAY, SO WE REVIEW IT MM-HMM . AND THEN WHAT THE OUTCOME, BECAUSE THAT'S THE REASON I, I THINK WE, IT'LL HELP US UNDERSTAND THE GAPS IN THE, UH, REPORTING. UM, SO THE COMPLAINTS, HOW THE COMPLAINTS COME IN, HOW THEY'RE BEING PROCESSED, HOW THEY'RE BEING INVESTIGATED. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, BASED ON WHAT I READ FOR, BY DR. ENGEL AND THEIR, THEIR COLLECTION, THERE'S EITHER PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THINGS AND THEY'RE NOT MAKING IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO, UM, IT'S NOT SOLVING ANYTHING. SO THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, REPORTS OF USE OF FORCE, BUT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, HOW IS, HOW ARE THESE BEING ADJUDICATED WHERE THE, WHERE THE OFFICERS ARE NOT BEING FIRED, WHERE I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S REPEAT OFFENDERS AND WHY THEY'RE STILL ON THE FORCE IF THEY'RE BEING CONSTANTLY BROUGHT UP. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. BUT MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHY THE NEED, WHY WOULD YOU KNOW IF THE REPORT BE AVAILABLE TO THE COMM? EVERY MEMBER AND WHOEVER WANTS TO GO TO IT, GO TO IT. I DON'T SEE WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE A WORKING GROUP FOR THAT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE, BECAUSE I SEE THE VALUE IN IT AND, AND IT MAKES SENSE. I JUST WONDERED, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT THE WORKING GROUP'S GONNA DO THAT. I AGREE. I SEE THE VALUE IN THE REPORT. WHAT WAS THIS REPORT PRESENTED TO? CITY COUNCIL? YES. OKAY. AND, AND IT'S BEFORE WE, UH, WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING ON GO. I FOUND IT BY HAPPENSTANCE. GO. WE COULD GO WATCH THE PRE PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND [01:50:01] MAYBE GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE REPORT MM-HMM . BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO READ. 'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF ACRONYMS AND EVERYTHING IN IT, SO IT'S HARD TO READ INDEPENDENTLY. I WANTED A EITHER PRESENTATION ON THE REPORT OR BE ABLE TO SEE A PRESENTATION ON THE REPORT. OKAY. SO IT IS AVAILABLE, IT'S ON YOUTUBE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. AND THE REPORT ITSELF, IT'S, IT'S A HANDWRITTEN REPORT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE OF US COULD GO OUT. AND SO YOU CAN ALSO GO TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S WEBSITE. UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE ARCHIVED THERE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT DATE? SO CAN WE MAKE A MAY 5TH. OKAY. CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION NEXT MEETING? YES. ON OUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE REVIEWED? YEAH. I LIKE THAT. WOULD THAT BE SENSIBLE? OKAY. YEAH. I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO SEE AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE. ALRIGHT. MAKES, YEAH. ESPECIALLY FROM A THIRD PARTY OR AN OUTSIDE SOURCE. SO WE KNOW WE'RE, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE WHAT WE'RE, THEN WE CAN TAKE FURTHER ACTION IF OKAY. MAY AFTER WE SEE THE REPORT AND WE CAN, UH, ALL COME TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, WE'VE SEEN THE REPORT AND MAYBE, MAYBE WE THINK WE SHOULD MAY 25TH. IT EITHER EITHER 25TH OR THE 19TH. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH DATE. I THINK IT SAID 25TH. NO, THAT'S THE YEAR. I JUST, WHEN I, UH, WROTE OUT THAT IT SAID 19TH ON THE, UH, DATE MAY 19TH. YEAH, I THINK SO. IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THAT SIX DAY PERIOD. ALL RIGHT. WOW. FUTURE AGENDA AND CHAIR AGENDA ITEMS. YOU WILL PROVIDE A, A LINK TO YOU ALL VIA EMAIL OF THAT, THAT COUNCIL. YOU WILL. YES, I DID. THANK, YES, SIR. I ALREADY DID. I WAS SENT TO EVERYBODY. YOU DID? MM-HMM . YEAH. A LINK TO THE REPORT OR A LINK TO THE, TO THE REPORT. I, I'LL SEND YOU A LINK TO THE VIDEO. NO, I THINK SHE'S SAYING SHE'S GONNA SEND US A LINK TO THE OH, YEAH. WELL, GAIL'S BETTER THAN THAT. THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL. YEAH. MEETING. YEAH. THANK YOU. GAIL. YOU CAN SAY THAT I'VE SEND A REPORT SEVERAL TIMES. WHAT'S THAT? I SAID YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN. THANK YOU. GAIL. , IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA, ALL RIGHT. NO, YOU, YOU'RE SAYING GAIL'S BETTER THAN NEVER. [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] ALL RIGHT. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ACTION ITEMS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH? BESIDES THE, I THINK WE SHOULD, WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLY, IF WE CAN, USING THE, UH, ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD MODEL TO COMMUNICATE, UM, UH, WITH A, YOU KNOW, IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH TOOMA, IT'S, UH, WHAT CITY COUNCIL USES TO COMMUNICATE. UH, WE CAN'T DO ANY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE CAN'T, UH, DO ANY ACTION ITEMS, BUT WE CAN, UH, HAVE DISCUSSION AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO TALK, UH, AMONGST OURSELVES WITHOUT VIOLATING TOMA. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE IN IT, UH, IF THAT'S A FEASIBILITY, UH, BUT I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING TO CONSIDER FOR OPEN DISCUSSIONS. OKAY. AND, UH, YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT'S LIKE GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 0 0 6. I THINK IT'S THE MESSAGE BOARD MODEL. IT'S, UH, ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN COMMUNICATE, UH, WITHOUT, UH, BREAKING TOMA AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. RYAN, CAN YOU SEND US A LINK FOR THOSE SO WE CAN GET THOSE, PUT THOSE ON OUR IPADS OR OUR, OUR LAPTOPS? I DO. AND, UH, AND WE'RE USING JUST OUR EMAILS ANYWAY. OKAY. UH, IS THAT, SO THAT'S ALL SECURED THROUGH THE CITY, UH, CITY OF AUSTIN SITE, THEN? YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S GONNA BE, DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? LIKE THE, UH, YEAH. HOLD ON A SECOND. ALL MY MICROPHONE. OKAY. SO WE'RE WAITING TILL NEXT MONTH. OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE GONNA WAIT TILL NEXT MONTH TO DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THAT. WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THOUGH, CHRIS. ALL RIGHT. SAY PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. I THINK. PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD? I WANT TO ADD, UM, IF WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION NEXT MEETING ON TRANSPARENCY ON WHAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT OUR, UM, CAPABILITIES AND ABILITIES AS A COMMISSION. UM, APPARENTLY WE HAVE DIFFERENT, [01:55:01] UH, RESOURCES FROM, UH, AND I GUESS A BUDGET AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. YEAH. BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, AND I WANT TO DISCUSS THOSE AND BE TOLD IN A TRANSPARENT MANNER WHAT WE DO NEED TO KNOW. I AGREE. WELL, RYAN TOLD US LAST MONTH THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BRING COFFEE AND DONUTS, BUT HE DIDN'T. SO, , UM MM-HMM . BUT, UH, THAT WOULD GET, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. CAN, CAN YOU SEND US THE LIST OF WHAT WE HAVE AT OUR, UH, AT OUR FINGERTIPS AS FAR AS, UH, UTILITIES AND RESOURCES? UM, OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK KNOWING WHAT RESOURCES WE CAN USE WOULD BE GREAT. AND IF WE CAN GET COFFEE AND DONE AT, OF EVERY MEETING, THAT'D BE AWESOME. UM, ANYTHING ELSE, KATHY? YEAH. OH, NO, I WASN'T DONE. OH, I'M SORRY. SORRY. PLEASE CONTINUE. I GOT A LITTLE LIST. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE THE HR CONTACT INFORMATION FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT I WAS TOLD THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AUSTIN HR TO GET THE BACKGROUND CHECKS. SO I THOUGHT, DO WE SIGN A RELEASE FIRST? AGAIN, I WAS TOLD THAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH HR AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GET THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THAT. OKAY. HUMAN RESOURCES WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH EACH OF US. SO, UH, AND COMMISSIONER FLOOD, WE WILL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM NEXT WEEK TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE ON MAKING THAT CONTACT WITH YOU. YEAH, IT'S, YEAH. 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. IT'S VACATION, VACATION SEASON, MAN. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. UM, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE YEAH, GO AHEAD. SORRY. GO, GO AHEAD CHRIS. WELL, I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, THIS ISN'T A FUTURE ITEM, BUT, UM, WITH THE SAMPLE FILES, UH, I HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THE OPO AND MCMASTER AND OUR STAFF RYAN FOR, I JUST WANNA SAY IT PUBLICLY. YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB AND, UH, UM, I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A REALLY AWESOME OPEN HOUSE AT THE OPO TOMORROW. YEAH. WHO ELSE GONNA BE THERE TOMORROW, BY THE WAY? ANYBODY? I'M TRYING TO GO. I'M PLANNING ON GOING FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I STILL WANT TO GET MY AGENDA FINISHED, BUT YEAH, I'M PLANNING ON GOING. SORRY. NO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU INVITED THIS CONVERSATION, MAN. I THOUGHT THEY DESERVED THE CREDIT. CHRIS DID THAT. I DID NOT. I SAID I HAVE A LIST. I KNOW I COULD BE A LITTLE OUTSPOKEN SOMETIMES AND ALL. LET'S, LET'S, I HAD LET TERRY FINISH. HE'S GOT, HE IS GOT A PLAN TO CATCH, APPARENTLY, OR A FIRETRUCK. I GOT A FRIDAY TO CATCH. I'M GOING, I'M GONNA BUY YOU A LIFE WHILE I'M OUT HERE. UM, I ALSO WANT TO KNOW THE, UH, I NEED TO KNOW YOUR ROLE, MR. CHAIRMAN IN OUR OPERATIONS. SO I'M GONNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE I KEEP EMAILING YOU AND I KEEP NOT HEARING FROM YOU. AND THEN I KEEP NOT GETTING MY STUFF ON THE AGENDA AND I DON'T LIKE THAT PROCESS. THAT'S, SO I WANT TO KNOW, I WANT, I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU ARE THE SINGLE CONTROLLING ENTITY ON WHAT DOES AND NOT, DOES NOT GO THE AGENDA WHEN I EMAIL YOU OR NO, SEND IT HOW THIS WORKS. SEND, SEND IT TO RYAN. ALL OF YOU. ALL, ALL COMMISSIONERS SHOULD SEND IT TO RYAN AND WE'LL ADD IT THO THOSE ITEMS. WELL SEE. NOBODY, NOBODY SAID THAT. THAT'S WHAT SEND THE QUESTION THAT GOES TO, TO RYAN, THEN CHAIR THOSE, THOSE, UH, REQUESTS FOR AGENDA ITEMS. WE'LL GO TO THE CHAIR AND THE CO-CHAIR. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. AND THEN, BUT I NEVER HEAR BACK FROM THE CHAIR. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF THAT'S THE CASE, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE THE SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO BUSY OR YOU CANNOT COMMUNICATE. I'M NOT, I'M NOT CHASTISING YOU OR ANYTHING. I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED A MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT SYSTEM SO THAT IF THINGS ARE PRESSING AND I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU IN A WEEK, WHAT IS MY NEXT STEP? BECAUSE I TALKED WITH THE VICE CHAIR AND SHE SAID SHE HADN'T EVEN HEARD FROM YOU. SO WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. YEAH, I WAS, I I WAS OUT OF TOWN. UH, RIGHT. WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU SEND AN EMAIL, PUT IN THE SUBJECT LINE ACTION ITEM TO ADD, SO I KNOW 'CAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE A DISCUSSION. I SOMETIMES I, NO, I JUST, BUT JUST PUT ITEM IN THERE UNLESS I'M ASSUMING EVERYTHING'S AN ACTION. THIS LIKE GOT IT. ACKNOWLEDGE, GOT IT. ACKNOWLEDGE I'M, I'M STILL ALIVE SOMETHING BECAUSE I JUST FELT LIKE I WAS JUST SHOOTING STUFF IN THE OUTER SPACE AND, UH, NOTHING. SO I, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO JUST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO COMMUNICATE. THAT'S WHY I LIKE CHRIS'S IDEA OF HAVING THAT, UH, MESSAGING BOARD BECAUSE I JUST TOO, YEAH. UM, AND THEN, UH, CAN I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN AND YOU EMAIL THE REST OF YOUR AGENDA REQUESTS TO THE CHAIR AND THE VICE? NO, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THAT'S WHY I'M TELLING YOU IT DOESN'T HAPPEN WHEN I DO THAT. SO NO, THAT'S FINE. I, I'LL, I'LL BE, UH, MORE, UH, OBSERVANT. I, I, I READ EVERYTHING [02:00:01] BUT, UH, CERTAIN THINGS YEAH. WILL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WASN'T, UM, I GET A LOT OF EMAILS FROM CHRIS AND EVERYTHING'S ADDRESSED TO YOU AND LAURA, SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT THESE ARE. SO YEAH, IF WE CAN PUT AGENDA, ITEM REQUEST, I'LL MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S ADDED FROM EVERY COMMISSIONER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND YEAH. AND THEN, UH, MY LAST ITEM IS, UM, I THINK END OF, I WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS TOO, UM, IN THE FUTURE, UNLESS IT'S CODIFIED IN LAW AND SINCE THE 12 MONTHS, BECAUSE WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY THAT BECAUSE I I, I WITNESSED IT RIGHT NOW. UM, WE'RE RELYING WAY TOO MUCH ON OPF THAT WE COMPLETELY SEPARATE OURSELF IN THE NEXT SIX TO 12 MONTHS BECAUSE WE NEED TO ESTABLISH OUR INDEPENDENCE. AND THAT'S, I WANT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT, NEXT MEETING. ALSO, NO DISRESPECT TO OPO, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR LANE AND WE HAVE OUR LANE AND THEY'RE HELPING US GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE, BUT EVENTUALLY WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO STAND ON OUR OWN. YEAH. HOLD ON. GOTCHA. SO WE'RE GONNA SET UP OUR OWN SEPARATE AGENCY. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? SUCCEED FROM THE UNION? NOT, AND NOT IMMEDIATELY. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW OUR HEAD FROM OUR TAIL RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, ONCE WE, UH, ONCE WE GET ESTABLISHED AND GOING, LIKE I SAID, AND WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON IT AT THAT TIME, BUT I WANNA HAVE THE DISCUSSION NOW. UM, THE NET SPEEDING AND NET SIX TO 12 MONTHS, WE SHOULD BE A COMPLETELY, UH, SEPARATE ENTITY. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE, IF THAT MEANS AGENDA TIME READY TO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE'LL ADD THAT. ANY OTHER ADDITIONS? OH, YES. MY LAST ONE, WE HAVE A STANDBY LIST OF COMMISSIONERS. I WANT TO SELECT MORE COMMISSIONERS FOR THE STANDBY LIST BECAUSE WE BARELY MAKE QUORUM EVERY TIME RIGHT NOW, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE PARTICIPATING. AND SO IF WE COULD USE THAT STANDBY LIST. I WAS TOLD THERE'S 15 PEOPLE ON IT, WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL FOR, UM, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE AND WE CAN SELECT NEW COMMISSIONERS AND I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON THOSE OR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO AT THE NEXT MEETING. RIGHT. HOLD ON A SECOND. WE ASKED IF WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND PULL FROM THE, THE EXISTING, I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER GOT ANY, WE HAVE AN EXISTING POOL. YOU WOULD ONLY NEED TO SELECT ONE COMMISSIONER FOR THE BODY AND THEN FOUR ALTERNATES, RIGHT. IF YOU CHOSE TO. BUT WE, I ASKED IF WE NEED TO PUT THE ADD BACK OUT OR IF WE'RE PULLING FROM THE EXISTING POOL. WHAT WAS THE ANSWER ON THAT? THE EXISTING, I SAY PULL, I SAY PULL FROM THE EXISTING. YES. AND, AND SO YOU WOULD WE WOULD MAKE THE SELECTIONS, UM, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER WOULD APPROVE THE SELECTIONS. OKAY. SO CAN WE GO AHEAD AND DO THAT THEN? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA DO AT THE NEXT MEETING? YES. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ON OUR NEXT AGENDA. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT IT, TERRY? IS THAT IT? OH, YEAH, I'M DONE. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING AND, UH, JOINING US. UH, WE WILL ADJOURN, UH, UNTIL NEXT MONTH. WHAT'S THE DATE ON THE NEXT MEETING, BRIAN? AUGUST. AUGUST THE 15TH. OKAY. UM, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, CAN I JUST SAY, REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE TOMORROW. IT'S AN OPO OPEN HOUSE. WE INVITE EVERYBODY TO COME OUT TO SEE HOW WE CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS. IT'S GONNA BE AT 7 0 1 WEST CAESAR CHAVEZ AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY HERE, DOWNTOWN. SO WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE WHO'S GONNA BE THERE. I EXPECT EVERYBODY IN THE GALLERY TO JOIN US. OKAY. ANDREW? THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DONUT. IS THAT 10:00 AM IS THAT 10:00 AM TOMORROW? YES, SIR. UH, 10. 10:00 AM OKAY. YEAH, I'M PROBABLY GONNA BRING MY DAUGHTER. SO ONE OF THEM. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED AND, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU ON AUGUST 15TH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.