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IT IS 6 0 1 ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 5TH.
THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE ARE MEETING IN AUSTIN, CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS, ROOM 1001.
I WILL START WITH THE ROLL CALL OF THE BOARD.
PARLIAMENTARY ALEJANDRO FLORES.
I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE NOT HERE.
AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR MAJOR.
SO WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, PRESENT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? HEARING NONE, I WILL START
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE ROLL CALL.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? THESE WILL BE THE MINUTES FROM JULY 15TH.
IF NOT, I'LL INCLUDE THOSE IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JULY 15TH, 2025.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS]
ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SPC 2024 DASH OH 4 2 4 A CROWBAR.IT IS A 5 23 THOMPSON LANE, AND THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A COCKTAIL LOUNGE IN THE C ONE CO ZONE.
IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
TWO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ IN THAT THE DISCUSSION TO REVISE THE RULES, UM, OF PROCEDURE ITEM FOUR HAS BEEN PULLED.
IT IS NOT GONNA BE AN ITEM AND DISCUSSION AND ACTION TO APPOINT A MEMBER TO SERVE ON THE CONFERENCING PLAN.
JOINT COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND NO ACTION WAS REQUIRED.
SO I GUESS THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE ITEMS 1, 2, 4, AND FIVE WITH ITEM TWO BEING RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? OH, COMMISSIONER FLORES MOTIONS.
UM, BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE? WE DO, WE DO HAVE, YEAH.
BUT FOR, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON FOUR.
UH, NO THREE IS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
SO ONE, TWO, JUST ONE AND TWO AND FIVE IS A WITHDRAWN, NO ACTION REQUIRED.
AND FOUR HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AS WELL.
SO JUST READING THOSE IN ALL THOSE BEAR SAY, AYE, I THINK I'VE ALREADY DONE THIS.
[DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS]
US TO ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION AND ACTION.REGARDING SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO ESTABLISH A REGULATORY PLAN FOR THE AREA, GENERALLY BOUNDED BY, ON THE EAST BY CAPITAL TEXAS HIGHWAY 360 TO THE SOUTH BY NORTH SHORELINE OF LAKE AUSTIN TO THE WEST BY SIX 20, AND TO THE NORTH BY BOULDER LANE IN BULL CREEK.
WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS.
THERE WAS AN ITEM POSTED IN THE BACKUP AND THERE WAS AN, AN ADDENDUM THAT WAS POSTED BY COMMISSIONER SHEEY.
IF YOU WANNA READ THE, WHAT YOU HAD FOR AN ADDENDUM IN TO THE RECORD.
SO I, I POSTED AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO AMEND, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IT, UH, THE TEXT IS BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THAT COUNCIL REQUEST A STAFF EVALUATION OF REAL WORLD FIRE SAFETY PERFORMANCE ACROSS ALL HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MIDDLE HOUSING, AND LARGE SCALE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS TO GUIDE THE REGULATING PLAN AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO DEVELOP ACTIONABLE RECOMMENDATIONS TO STRENGTHEN BUILDING FIRE RESISTANCE AND PREVENT FIRE SPREAD WITHIN THE PLAN AREA.
IS THERE OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, SO LET'S SAY IT TURNS OUT THAT ONE HOUSING TYPE IS CURRENTLY SAFER THAN ANOTHER.
IF IT'S GUIDING THE REGULATING PLAN, WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THAT TYPE SHOULD BE USED MORE OR THAT OTHER TYPES SHOULD BE MADE SAFER AS WELL? YEAH, I THINK THAT GOES TO THE SECOND, UH, PORTION OF, UH, THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH IS TO, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO DEVELOP ACTIONABLE RECOMMENDATIONS TO
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STRENGTHEN BUILDING FIRE RESISTANCE AND PREVENT FIRE SPREAD.SO THIS IS, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE DATA, SO, UH, THEY CAN GO BACK AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IF THERE IS A, A PROBLEM, LET'S SAY IN ONE OF THE HOUSING TYPOLOGIES, YES, THEY CAN GO BACK AND THEY CAN RECOMMEND, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
SO, UM, COULD WE DELETE THE WORDS TO GUIDE THE REGULATING PLAN AND, AND JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING TYPES AND THEIR SAFETY TO DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE ACTIONABLE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON FOR THAT? I GUESS I'M CONCERNED, WHAT IF IT TURNS OUT THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IS MUCH NEWER IN THAT AREA AND SAFER? DO WE WANT THAT TO GUIDE THE REGULATING PLAN TO DIRECT IT TOWARDS THAT PARTICULAR TYPE THAT HAPPENS TO BE NEWER AND SAFER NOW? SO YOU, OR DO WE WANT EVERYTHING TO BE SAFER? SO YOUR CONCERN IS SORT OF A, ARE YOU BIASING THE SAMPLE TOWARDS EXISTING VERSUS WHAT COULD THEORETICALLY OR ARE YOU BIASING THE REC THE REGULATING PLAN TOWARDS WHAT MIGHT BE NEWER? WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S NEWER THERE, BUT ARE WE BIASING THE PLAN
THAT, THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER THAT I, I JUST, I WAS A LITTLE BIT CURIOUS.
I I THINK THE INTENTION IS TO LOOK AT THE AGGREGATE STATISTICS ON THE MATTER.
SO, UH, AUSTIN HAS ITS OWN STATISTICS I'M SURE, BUT OTHER CITIES HAVE, UH, STATISTICS THAT THEY'VE READILY MADE AVAILABLE.
SO I THINK THIS IS MORE A BROAD, LET'S LOOK AT THE DATA.
UM, I MEAN THE COUNCIL WILL COME UP WITH THEIR OWN WORDING IF THEY DECIDE TO DO THIS AT ALL.
SO I DON'T THINK, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE NITPICKING
UM, I DON'T THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, UM, UH, STERN MADE FORMAL AMENDMENTS, BUT I DO THINK SOME OF THE THINGS HE RAISED AROUND, THERE'S A SORT OF LAND USE COMPONENT AND THEN THERE'S SORT OF THE EMERGENCY PLANNING COMPONENT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS MEANT TO BE, THIS PLANNING ACCOMMODATION IS MEANT TO BE INTERPRETED, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS SORT OF A, A LACK OF, THERE'S LIKE THE REGULATING PLAN, BUT ARE WE MISSING AN EMERGENCY PLAN? LIKE WHAT IS EMERGENCY EVACUATION LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES, UH, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS LOOK LIKE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE LIKE A PROACTIVE PLAN IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE, ON THE FIRE SIDE OR SOMETHING OF THE MAGNITUDE OF LIKE THE CURRENT FLOODS, FOR INSTANCE, IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN HERE, DO WE HAVE LIKE A ACTION LIKE SORT OF A, UM, GO TO MARKET FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM? UH, AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER STERN KIND OF RAISED THAT I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATED, WHICH IS LIKE, THERE'S A REGULATING PLAN, BUT THERE'S NO EMERGENCY PLAN THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY VALUABLE.
MAYBE COMMISSIONER STERN WANTS TO ADDRESS THE, UM, CHANGES THAT WERE MADE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO OURS FOR OUR CURRENT DRAFT.
I'M HAPPY TO DO SO IF, UM, IF THE CHAIR THINKS THAT'S, THAT IT'S TIME FOR THAT.
I KNOW, UM, COMMISSIONER KB IS, UM, TALKING ABOUT ADDING A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE SUGGESTED, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD AN INITIAL RECOMMENDATION ENCOURAGING THE CITY COUNCIL TO INITIATE A REGULATORY PLAN IN THIS PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN AT CAPITAL OF TEXAS HIGHWAY 360 SOUTH BY THE SHORELINE OF LAKE AUSTIN TO THE WEST OF, UM, BY FM SIX 20 AND THE NORTH BY BOULDER LANE IN BULL CREEK.
AND, UM, THE, THE CONCERN THAT WE HAD GENERALLY THERE WAS WITH, UM, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT MAY HAVE INADVERTENTLY, UM, SUGGESTED THAT WE WERE ASKING THEM TO MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL IN THIS PART OF TOWN.
AND WE WANTED TO SEND A MORE, UM, DEVELOPMENT NEUTRAL ME MESSAGE.
SO WHILE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TALKS ABOUT IMPROVING ROADWAY CAPACITY, IMPROVING CITY SERVICES SUCH AS PUBLIC TRANSIT AND MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION AND TALKS ABOUT GROWTH CAPACITY, WE WANTED TO UPDATE THE LANGUAGE TO ENSURE THE SAFE DELIVERY OF CITY SERVICES.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT CITY SERVICES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRE EVACUATION.
SINCE THE CITY HAS CONTROL OF THAT CITY SERVICE, UNLIKE TRANSIT, WHICH IS NOT A CITY SERVICE, IT IS A TRANSIT AUTHORITY SERVICE.
AND, UM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING AS SUSTAINABLE CAPACITY VER ALONG THE, THE CORRIDOR VERSUS GROWTH CAPACITY ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
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REALLY JUST TRYING TO DIAL DOWN THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A GROWTH CORRIDOR, LET'S ADD TO THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT INSTEAD TRY TO MAKE IT MORE, UM, GROWTH NEUTRAL.JUST SAYING, WE THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AREA BECAUSE WE KEEP APPROVING OR NOT APPROVING THINGS IN A HODGEPODGE WAY AND WHEN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, THEY OFTEN CHANGE IT.
AND SO WE'RE NOT GETTING GOOD DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ABOUT HOW THEY WANT US TO TREAT ZONING CASES IN THIS PART OF TOWN.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM STAFF? THERE'S A ERICA LEE IS YES.
CHAIR ERICA LEE IS HERE FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SHE DIDN'T HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING? NO CHAIR.
I JUST WONDERING IF I SAW THE NAME UP THERE.
SO OTHER QUESTIONS? I I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS ON THE TABLE.
NO, WE HAVE, I GUESS WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION THAT WAS FROM, UM, THAT'S BEEN OUT HERE FOR A FEW WEEKS, UM, FROM COMMISSIONER, UM, STERN AND THEN WE HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR FOR A MODIFICATION, BUT NO ONE'S MADE A MOTION TO DO ANYTHING WITH ANY OF THAT AT THIS POINT.
I GUESS THE, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY IS, UH, AT LEAST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEELS LIKE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO LITTLE INFORMATION, I DON'T FEEL SUPER COMFORTABLE CHANGING THE OVERALL TENOR, ALTHOUGH IT'S LIKE IF THE ORIGINAL WAS VERY PRO-GROWTH AND WE ARE KIND OF MOVING AWAY FROM THAT, I, I I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
EITHER LIKE AN ANALYSIS OF OKAY, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL LIKE, UM, KIND OF LIKE THE, WHICH IS WHY LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONERSHIP IS UH, AMENDMENT TO LIKE STUDY THIS MORE CLOSELY.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND DATA AND SORT OF ANALYSIS BEFORE I FEEL COMFORTABLE DEFINITIVELY SAYING THAT LIKE THIS IS CORRECT OR THIS IS CORRECT.
ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE LIKE WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE DIFFERENT WAY DIFFERENT RISKS AFFECT THINGS IN THE WAY THAT, FOR INSTANCE, UH, HOUSTON HAS VERY, VERY LOW FIRE RISK FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
ONE OF THOSE REASONS IS BECAUSE, UH, THE BAY IS IN THE PAVE OVER SO MUCH THAT THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH A CATCH FIRE, BUT CONVERSELY THEY FLOOD A LOT
AND SO I, I WOULD WANT US TO, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION WE MAKE WITH THIS KIND OF REGULATING PLAN TO GET MORE DATA BEFORE WE TRY TO LIKE CREATE THE FRAME BY WHICH WE SORT OF SEE EVERYTHING THROUGH.
THAT'S JUST SORT OF MY PERSONAL TAKEAWAY.
IF, IF THAT IS HELPFUL TO ANYONE.
THE COUNCIL ON THE DIVE, SORRY IT'S BEEN MANY YEARS, BUT ONE OF THE BAYOU ACTUALLY DID CATCH FIRE ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOUSTON.
UM, I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS BY WHERE I LIVED OR NOT, BUT UH, THERE WAS UH, HIGH SCHOOLERS WHO WERE DURING 4TH OF JULY TRYING TO DO EXPERIMENTAL FIREWORKS.
UM, THAT'S HOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE SAME ONE, BUT IT, IT DOES HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BEFORE YOU WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL.
HUMAN BEINGS HAVE BEEN TROUBLEMAKERS SINCE THE, THEY THEY DAWN A HUMAN ASSISTANCE
SO, UM, IT DOES SAY TO EVALUATE, UM, IS THERE ADDITIONAL WORDING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT WOULD MAKE YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAT THERE'RE I I THINK THAT THE AMENDMENT THAT SHE HAD ABOUT LIKE MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT, OH CAN YOU PLEASE PUSH YOUR MIC? YES, MY APOLOGIES.
THE AMENDMENT THAT SHEY HAD ABOUT LIKE EXPLICITLY STUDY THE SORT OF SYSTEMIC FIRE RISKS AND HOW THEY INTERSECT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK WOULD FEEL, MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE STUDYING THIS MIC EVERY ANGLE.
THEN I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S POSTED AS UM, ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDED BE IT RESOLVED THAT COMMISSIONER SHALL BE, UM, HAS PROVIDED I SECOND THAT YOU WANNA KEEP THE LANGUAGE EXACTLY AS IT'S WRITTEN.
YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT CHANGING SOMETHING IN THERE, BUT WAS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANNA CHANGE? NO.
YOU HAD MENTIONED TYPING OUT TO GUIDE THE REGULATING PLAN AND JUST START WITH TWO DIRECT STAFF, BUT I DECIDED NOT TO CONNECT THAT.
SO MY ONLY QUESTION WAS
SO IT'S JUST A, A SIMPLE CORRECTION, UH, IN THE LANGUAGE TO REGULATORY INSTEAD OF REGULATING.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? YOU MEAN A REGULATING PLAN AND A REGULATORY PLAN? HI, UH, ERIC LEE WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, REGULATORY WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER WORDING TO USE JUST BECAUSE THE CITY USES REGULAR TEAM PLAN IN A SPECIFIC WAY AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT, UH, WHAT WOULD BE LIKELY MOST APPROPRIATE HERE.
HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS ALREADY GONNA BE DONE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE? WELL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE WILL ADDRESS
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PROBABLY A FAIR NUMBER OF THESE ISSUES BUT AT A HIGHER LEVEL.SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WILL PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE DIRECTION AND UH, AND ENVISIONING ABOUT THESE TYPES OF ISSUES CITYWIDE.
UM, WHAT YOU ALL ARE ENVISIONING WITH WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE DETAILED, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AT A SMALLER GEOGRAPHY.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? Y'ALL READY FOR A VOTE? SO WITH THE REGULATORY INSTEAD OF REGULATING YEAH, THE MOTION WOULD BE THE ORIGINAL ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL BY COMMISSIONER CHEE WITH THE ONE CHANGE TO GUIDE THE REGULATORY PLAN AS OPPOSED TO GUIDE THE REGULATING PLAN.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED I'M GONNA OPPOSE NOT STRONGLY, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LOOKED AT ON A MORE BROAD BASIS, UH, TO GIVE US THE GUIDANCE, UM, WITH THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I HATE TO PUT SOMETHING FORWARD WITHOUT FUNDING TO SAY LET'S LOOK AT THIS ONE AREA RIGHT HERE, BUT THAT'S MY ONLY REASONING.
BUT IT DOES PASS ON A 1, 2, 3, 7, 6 7 TO ONE VOTE.
WOULD Y'ALL, COULD WE UH, BE REMINDED THE SECOND FOR THIS VOTE AS WELL? OH, SHADY.
SO THE MOTION WAS BY GREENBERG GREENBERG, SECOND BY SHE.
[WORKING GROUP/COMMITTEE UPDATES]
GROUP COMMITTEE, THE CODES AND ORDINANCES, JOINT COMMITTEE.ANY UPDATE WE HAVEN'T MET SINCE OUR LAST MEETING?
OUR LAST MEETING GOT CANCELED FOR LACK OF A QUORUM.
SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE.
LAND USE COMMISSION ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WORKING GROUP.
SO WE HAVE NOT MET SINCE LAST TIME, UH, WHEN WE GAVE A BRIEF.
OUR NEXT STEPS AND CONFESS WE'RE MOVING A BIT SLOWLY, IS TO, UH, WORK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO GET AT LEAST TWO, MAYBE FOUR COMM PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO SHARE OUR THOUGHTS WITH THEM AND, UH OKAY.
MAYBE MODIFY THIS, THE PLAN? YEAH.
UH, I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT, UH, THAT WE WILL BRING WHATEVER WE HAVE FOR A DISCUSSION AND DEPENDING ON THE STATE OF IT, OF UH, POTENTIAL VOTE FOR NEXT, UH, NEXT SESSION.
SO CAN WE HAVE THIS ON THE 19TH AGENDA AS THAT? AGAIN, IT WOULD BE LEAVING THE SAME PLACE, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE'RE SUGGESTING A DIFFERENT DIVISION OF LABOR THAT PLANNING COMMISSION BUYS INTO THAT.
REVISED, UM, DIVISION OF LABOR, THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE TALKED, THIS WASN'T REALLY PART OF THE UPDATE FROM THE STAFF, BUT THEN CHEETO BROUGHT CHEETO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER VALA BROUGHT THIS UP AND HE SAID, I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR ZONING AND PLANNING, PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DO ALL THE WORK AND YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BUY INTO THAT.
BUT UM,
BUT, UM, IT'D BE, IT'D BE GOOD IF PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORTS THE WAY IT'S DIVIDED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A, I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR 'CAUSE I'VE TRIED, I'VE TALKED TO A FEW FOLKS, UM, ON PLANNING.
I'LL, I'LL TRY TO SET UP THOSE MEETINGS SO WE CAN GET THAT BALL ROLLING.
AND A, A FEW FOLKS, UM, INVOLVED IN, IN, UM, IN UH, A KIND OF LIKE A FEW IN THIS SORT OF THE FUTURE OF DIFFERENT VISIONS OF THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS.
I, I THINK THERE'S BASICALLY TWO OUTCOMES THAT I SEE HAPPENING.
I THINK ONE IS WHERE, UM, ZONING AND PLANNING IS THIS DISMISSED AS A COMMISSION AND THEN IT ALL GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH I THINK THE COMMISSION GREENBERG'S POINT, UH, WOULD BE QUITE BRUTAL FOR THEM.
MAYBE, MAYBE THEY DECIDE THAT LIKE THERE WAS SOME SYSTEM WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FOR VOLUNTEERS TO WORK SIX HOURS EV KIND OF EVERY OTHER WEEK OR EVERY WEEK.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD BE MAYBE THERE'S A WORLD WHERE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.
UM, THE OTHER VISION IS WHERE, UM, WE SPLIT IT 50 50 BASICALLY ON SITE SPECIFIC VERSUS LAND USE SPECIFIC.
UM, I DO THINK IF, IF, IF WE WANT THAT PATH TO HAPPEN, I DON'T THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET SET UP PLANNING.
I THINK WE MAY ALSO WANT TO SET UP A MEETING WITH LIKE A COUNCIL MEMBER VELA OR PEOPLE ON A STAFF AND OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE, WHO ARE VERY, I THINK THERE'S SOME FOLKS WHO ARE, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, COMMISSIONS THAT
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DON'T PROVIDE VALUE OR THAT DON'T PERCEIVE TO BE, PROVIDE, PROVIDE VALUE.AND SO COUNCIL'S LOOKING IN A VERY KIND OF FINANCIALLY DIFFICULT MOMENT.
AS YOU SAID YOURSELF CHAIR, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO CUT VERY AGGRESSIVELY SO THEY DON'T CUT INTO THINGS LIKE HOME SERVICE AND PUBLIC HEALTH OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE'LL EITHER HAVE TO FIND A WAY THAT BOTH PLANNING AND STONING AND PLANNING CAN PROVIDE VALUE OR ZONING PLANNING WILL BE CUT AND THEN PLANNING WILL HAVE TO TAKE UP THAT SORT OF WORK BURDEN THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE WHERE FOLKS ARE GENERALLY SPLITTING.
ALTHOUGH ALSO DOES MEAN PEOPLE, WE NEED TO UH, EMBRACE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS WILL GO FROM A 15 MINUTE MEETING TO A TWO HOUR MEETING.
COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, MAYBE I CAN KEEP IT IN A ONE.
I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT 'CAUSE AS I TRY TO TALK TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, UM, INVOLVED IN THE SORT OF BUDGET STUFF.
BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME COMMISSIONS THAT ARE OVERWORKED.
I WAS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION FOR FOUR YEARS AND OUR MEETINGS ROUTINELY WENT PAST 10 O'CLOCK.
UH, WE WOULD START AT SIX AND ROUTINELY GO FOUR OR FIVE HOURS EVERY MEETING I USED TO SERVE IN BUILDING AND STANDARDS.
AND THAT WAS A FOUR HOUR, IT WAS FROM SIX TO 10 TO EVERY SINGLE TIME.
WELL THIS USED TO GO LONGER UNTIL WE GOT A CHAIR WHO WAS VERY EFFICIENT.
BUT I THINK THAT THE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE GREAT, IT'S NOT JUST TO HAVE THIS ONE REGULATORY PLAN THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING IS TO HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE MORE TIME TO DO MORE PLANNING, DIVE DEEPER INTO WHAT THEY GET AND IF WE'RE ZONING AND PLANNING THAT WE DO MORE ZONING.
SO THE NAMES MAYBE ARE FITTING AS WELL.
THE OTHER THING WHICH IS THINGS UNDER DISCUSSED, AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO MAKE PRACTICAL DECISIONS, BUT THERE IS A CERTAIN THING WHERE THESE ARE MEANT TO BE CITIZEN BODIES AND IT DOES FEEL LIKE IF YOU HAVE A, THE ONE LANDISH CONDITION THAT WORKS SIX HOURS EVERY SINGLE TIME I MEET, THAT QUITE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
UH, BUT ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY, EVEN IF THEY HAVE THOSE SIX HOURS, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH HOURS IN THOSE SIX HOURS TO DO ALL THE PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, EITHER I'VE GOTTA CUT CORNERS ON THE ZONING CASES OR YOU GOTTA CUT CORNER OF THE PLANNING.
AND I DO FEEL LIKE IN SOME WAYS RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING BOTH
ANYTHING ELSE? SO WE'LL BRING THIS BACK.
DO WE WANNA BRING IT BACK AS A DISCUSSION ITEM OR BRING IT BACK AS A HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING? A DISCUSSION ITEM IS ONE WE PROVIDE.
LIKE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM DISCUSSION ITEMS LIKE WE HAVE TODAY.
WE CAN SIT AND TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE A MOTION ON IT.
IF WE WANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ASSISTANCE INPUT, THEN WE CAN COME WITH A MOTION OUTTA THAT.
I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE MAKE IT A DISCUSSION ITEM.
SO THAT WE CAN ALL SORT OF DISCUSS THE FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, AND THEN MAYBE WE MIGHT EVEN WANNA MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK.
SO I'LL LEAVE IT THE SAME PLACE AS JUST ITEM NINE UNDER, UH, REPORTS.
UM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? SEEING NONE, IT IS 6 24 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.