* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] EVERYBODY, UH, WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION, UH, REGULARLY, UH, FRIDAY, JULY, I'M SORRY. UH, AUGUST 15TH MEETING, UH, HERE AT, UH, AUSTIN CITY HALL AT, UH, COMMISSION'S ROOM, UH, ADDRESS, 3 0 1 WEST SECOND STREET IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. UH, WE'VE GOT A QUORUM. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, AND THANK YOU. AND, UH, CALL TO ORDER. [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL] SO, OUR FIRST THING IS, UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE COM, UH, PUBLIC COMMISSION, OUR COMMUNICATION. I CANNOT SPEAK TODAY, AND WE'VE GOT, UH, TWO SPEAKERS TODAY. ARE YOU SPEAKING? THAT'S A SIGN IN SHEET? NO, IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT SIGN SHEET. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT, UH, MS. MITCHELL, LAURIE MITCHELL. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU COME RIGHT UP TO THE, THE DESK THERE, PLEASE. MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. AND, UH, WE HAVE A TIMER AND EVERYBODY'S ALLOWED WHAT, FIVE MINUTES? THREE MINUTES. OKAY. WE'VE GOT THREE MINUTES. OKAY. PUSH THE BUTTON. YES. UH, I'M LORI MITCHELL. I'M HERE JUST REPRESENTING MYSELF AS CITIZEN. AND MY QUESTION IS, DO WE, DOES THE COMMITTEE HAVE A PLAN FOR, UH, PROTECTING ITSELF FROM THE LEGISLATURE? I KNOW IN THE RECENT SESSION AND POSSIBLY IN THE SPECIAL SESSION, UH, ANOTHER BILL CAME UP, UH, REMOVING, UH, ACCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM THIS COMMITTEE, FROM POLICE DOCUMENTS. SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU'VE COME UP WITH A PLAN. I'VE NOTICED ON THE NEWS THAT SOME OTHER COMMISSIONS IN OTHER CITIES ARE, ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, AND I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH ANOTHER CITY'S COMMISSION AND SEE WHAT KIND OF IDEAS THEY HAVE KIND OF BAND TOGETHER. AND THAT'S, THAT WAS MY COMMENT FOR TODAY. WHAT, UH, WHAT ? OH, UM, IT DID NOT, I DON'T MIND, UH, IF I CAN BE RECOGNIZED. YES. UH, ACTUALLY, LET'S LET HER FINISH HER COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GO. OKAY. YEAH, GO AHEAD. I DON'T BELIEVE IT MADE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE THIS TIME. UM, AND I JUST SEEN SOME SNIPPETS ON THE NEWS ABOUT OTHER CITIES TALKING ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT'S TO KEEP THAT UP AND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PRESENT A, A STRONG FORCE AGAINST THAT, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE DETAILS YET, SO. OKAY. ARE YOU ARE? AND I'M DONE. ALRIGHT. UH, CHRIS, YOU WANNA BE RECOGNIZED? YEAH. UM, I THINK, UH, TALKING TO OTHER, UH, C UH, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS IS A GREAT IDEA. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE GOTTA WAIT. WE GOTTA WORK THAT OUT. UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, I MEAN, I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, OBVIOUSLY, UH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF STATE LAW SUPERSEDES, UH, LOCAL LAW, IT'S, IT GETS TRICKY FAST. UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR, OUR LAWYER AT SOME POINT AS FAR AS HOW TO WORK THAT OUT. UM, YEAH, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MS. MITCHELL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER? HAVE A QUESTION OR STATEMENT? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, MS. ELIZABETH, DO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE UP, YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. HI, MY NAME'S MARY, LAST NAME ELIZABETH. THE MICROPHONE THERE. DO WHAT? FIRST BUTTON? YEAH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. FIRST NAME MARY, LAST NAME ELIZABETH. UM, I WAS AT YOUR LAST MEETING AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF, UM, TRIAGE OR PRIORITIZING, UM, COMPLAINTS OF PHYSICAL ABUSE AND COMPLAINTS OF VERBAL ABUSE. AND, UM, THERE SEEMED TO BE AN UNSTATED ASSUMPTION THAT VERBAL ABUSE IS NOT AS HARMFUL AS PHYSICAL ABUSE AND THEREFORE, UH, VERBAL ABUSE COMPLAINTS WOULD BE A, A HAVE A SECOND RATE LEVEL AS, I GUESS WHAT, HOW I'LL SAY IT ANYWAY. UM, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT VERBAL ABUSE AS HAVING, UH, IT COMES IN MANY FORMS, AND IT CAN BE AS HARMFUL AS A PHYSICAL ASSAULT DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S PRESENTED, WHO IT'S PRESENTED TO, AND TO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NEURODIVERGENT TO PEOPLE WITH A HISTORY OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO PEOPLE WITH, UM, HISTORIES OF PTSD. AND, UM, [00:05:02] I KNOW THAT I, WELL, I'VE HEARD OF IN INCIDENTS IN WHICH POLICE OFFICERS STOP PEOPLE AND THEIR BEHAVIOR WAS DESCRIBED AS ROAD RAGE. THEY WERE SHOUTING, SCREAMING, UM, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER EMOTIONAL OR VERBAL ABUSE BY A POLICE OFFICER WOULD BE USING INTIMIDATION, BELITTLING, SHOUTING, YELLING, THREATENING, UM, THE POWER DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN POLICE AND CITIZENS. THAT'S ALREADY INTIMIDATING. THEY DON'T NEED TO ADD TO THAT. UM, I BELIEVE POLICE ARE IN THEIR TRAINING TAUGHT THAT TAUGHT TO APPROACH CITIZENS WITH SOME SUSPICION. WELL, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THAT CAN REALLY, UM, INHIBIT THE CITIZEN'S RESPONSE. DID THAT, DID I GET THE CUTOFF? WE GOT 40 SECONDS. OH, WELL, UM, I HAVE, I WORK FOR THE, UH, STATEWIDE INTAKE ABUSE HOTLINE FOR DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES FOR 23 YEARS. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU USE THEIR GUIDELINES FOR, FOR VERBAL ABUSE. YOU, YOU COULD NEVER MEET THEM. BUT, UM, I REALLY HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER WHAT I'VE SAID. IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE, I CAN CERTAINLY SAY MORE. UM, BUT YEAH, VERBAL ABUSE AND PHYSICAL ABUSE. UM, THANK YOU, MS. ELIZABETH. I, I WILL TELL YOU, UM, I'M A DAD OF, UH, NEURODIVERGENT AND NEUROTYPICAL, SO YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND ALL OFFICERS HAVE THE SAME TRAINING WHEN IT COMES TO HOW TO DEAL WITH, UH, PEOPLE ON THE SPECTRUM, PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, NEUROTYPICAL BECAUSE EVERYBODY RESPONDS DIFFERENTLY. YEAH. UH, AND VICTIMS OF, UH, DOMESTIC ABUSE, UH, THERE, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T TRAIN EVERYBODY TO DO, HANDLE ALL THINGS THE SAME WAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK TO, UH, THE TRAINING OFFICERS AND SEE HOW THEY HANDLE IT. OKAY. IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE, UM, SOMEBODY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAINING TO MEET WITH YOU AND JUST SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THIS. BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS LEARN. OKAY. ANYTHING FROM THEM. SO, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE, UH, EMAIL IT TO RYAN AND, UH, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEND IT ON AND JUST SAY, HEY, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING NAGGING AT ME. UM, WHAT WASN'T ME? WAS IT, I'M SORRY. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT ELSE I WAS GONNA SAY, BUT I COULD RESPOND TO LORI'S, UM, QUESTION, IS IT LORI? MM-HMM . IF YOU'LL LET ME GO FOR IT. OKAY. UM, THE BILL TO KEEP POLICE MISCONDUCT UNAVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IS NOW HB 15. UM, IT'S, I'LL BE GIVING TESTIMONY ON THAT THIS AFTERNOON, IF THEY'RE STILL DOING IT. UM, THE, THEY, THEY WANT TO KEEP POLICE MISCONDUCT THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED JUSTIFIED, UNAVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. UM, YOU KNOW ABOUT VAL BAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO POLICE RECORDS THAT REALLY, REALLY INTERFERES WITH THE COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO HEAL. I MEAN, THOSE PEOPLE HAD MORE EXCEPTIONAL TRAUMA. THEY, ESPECIALLY THE FAMILIES AND THEIR KIDS, IT'S, THEY HAVE PTSD, WHICH YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT. I DO POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. MM-HMM . UM, THE, THE BILL IS AT THIS TIME IN COMMITTEE, AND, AND THERE'S TESTIMONY ON IT THIS AFTERNOON, AND I SUSPECT THAT IT WILL MAKE IT THROUGH COMMITTEE AND GO TO THE FLOOR, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE YET. DON'T AT THE CAPITOL, YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT FOR IT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE, UH, IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT. OKAY. NEXT, UH, JUST EMAIL IT TO RYAN TOO. I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. ALRIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU. I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. CAN I, YOUR YES. CARLOS, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, [00:10:05] MA'AM, MS. ELIZABETH, SHE CAN'T HEAR. I JUST WANTED, UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD TO STATE THAT HER CONCERN ABOUT, UH, UH, VERBAL ABUSE IN, IN THE PROCESS OF BEING, UH, OF US TRYING TO TRIAGE HOW WE ADDRESS THINGS, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMITTEE WHO ARE EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO THAT, AND WE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF IGNORING THAT. SO THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE INTENTIONS. THIS IN THE START OUT, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRIORITIZE THINGS. SO THAT'S ALL. NO, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT ALSO. UM, YES, SIR. WE HEAR YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YEAH, I WANNA COMMENT ON THAT TOO. AND, UM, ALSO SAY THAT WE DO HEAR YOU, AND THIS IS A REAL CONCERN. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT IS SAID, BUT HOW AND WHEN AND WHERE. IT'S SAID. AND CITIZENS DO ALREADY FEEL AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL IS PERSON IN THE POSITION OF POWER. AND WE NEED TO ADVOCATE AND HAVE THAT MORE COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION AS OPPOSED TO MAKING PEOPLE FEEL BAD FROM THE MOMENT THEY ARE PULLED OVER. AND I WOULD SAY, BECAUSE THERE'S A PROCESS TO EVERYTHING THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, THEN WE NEED TO SPEAK AT THE END OF, UH, THIS SESSION AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO HAVE A MORE BROAD A DISCUSSION. AND, UH, THAT'S HOW WE, UH, PROPERLY DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS WITHOUT MAKING PEOPLE FEEL DISMISSED. AND THEN, UH, ALSO, UM, INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU FIND OUT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING ABOUT THE POLICE RECORDS AND ALL OF THAT. AND WE CAN ADAPT AND MOVE ACCORDINGLY BASED ON WHAT DOES HAPPEN, UM, BECAUSE I GUESS WE'LL HAVE LESS ROOM TO SPECULATE. SO PLEASE DO CONTINUE TO, UH, STAY ENGAGED AND FOLLOW UP WITH US, AND WE'LL TAKE IT, UM, UNDER CONSIDERATION ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE FACTS. BUT WE DO HEAR YOUR CONCERNS. YEAH, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE HOUSE, BILL 15, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AND GET A CHANCE FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW THAT. UH, MS. COR, MS. CORTEZ, PLEASE. UH, COMMISSIONER ELPASO, IF YOU COULD PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA. RUBEN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. YES. I, I'M TRYING TO GET THAT, UH, I'M HAVING DIFFICULTIES, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M GETTING, UM, ALL RIGHT, MS. KATHY, DO YOU HAVE A, A COMMENT? YES, I DID. I, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. UH, I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON THE LAST TWO STATEMENTS BY THE LAST TWO COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANTED TO AGREE WITH THAT. I, I, UH, AS A COMMISSIONER, I, I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS. UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I APOLOGIZE AS A COMMISSIONER, IF WE MADE IT APPEAR THAT WE WERE MAKING THOSE A LOWER PRIORITY, UM, WE'RE STILL, UM, PRIORITIZING. UM, SO WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND, UM, UH, AND I, WE HEAR YOUR CONCERN. ABSOLUTELY. AND I, I TOO, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO SAFE MAKE SOME SAFEGUARDS AS WELL. UM, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THE TRIAGE PROCESS IS STILL SOMETHING NEW TO ALL OF US, AND WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, GAIN OUR FOOTING IN THAT. SO, UH, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ARE, CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES? UH, ITEM ONE, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE, OF LAST MONTH'S MEETING ON JULY 18TH. UH, ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE TO APPROVE? NO. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. ANY SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. MR. LAPAZ, IF YOU WANT TO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, SIX. AYE. YES. ALL RIGHT. UH, UNANIMOUS. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. SO, [2. Discussion of commission members personal experiences and key takeaways from recent case review training, including thoughts on potential improvements and action items for the Commission to pursue by the end of 2025.] DISCUSSION ITEMS. ITEM TWO FOR THOSE FOLLOWING, UH, DISCUSSION OF COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, PERSONAL EXPERIENCES AND KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM RECENT CASE REVIEW TRAINING, INCLUDING THOUGHTS ON POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ACTION ITEMS FOR THE COMMISSION TO PURSUE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. UH, THIS IS DISCUSSION ITEMS. UH, SEVERAL OF US MET WITH, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS EARLIER TODAY, UM, TO MEET WITH THEM REGARDING THE PROCESSES, UM, HOW WE REVIEWED TWO CASES, AND I THINK ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ABLE TO REVIEW IT, BUT TODAY WAS ONLY, UH, A MEETING WITH, AT THE RUTHERFORD OFFICE. BUT, UH, ANYBODY, ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO, UH, START [00:15:01] THIS CONVERSATION? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WAS SO SHORT NOTICE THAT I COULD NOT PIVOT AND ATTEND. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WITH BETTER, UM, NOTIFICATION, BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY SHORT. IT WAS LIKE, I THINK WE HAD LIKE 24 HOURS TO RESPOND OR SO. AND SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO IT AGAIN. UM, YEAH. AND THEN I CAN MAKE THE PROPER COORDINATION, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAVE THAT DIALOGUE WITH ALL THE RELEVANT STAKEHOLDERS. YEAH, IT, IT WAS, UH, VERY, UH, ENLIGHTENING. I THINK YOU, YOU WILL LIKE IT. WE WILL SCHEDULE ANOTHER, UH, SESSION. UH, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS, UH, EVERY MONTH WITH THEM, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, REVIEWING ACTUAL CASES. SO, UH, KATHY, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT? YES. UH, I FOUND, UH, I FOUND TODAY'S SESSION EARLIER TODAY, AND THIS PROCESS TO BE HUGELY INFORMATIVE. I FEEL, UH, THAT I HAVE MORE OF A ROADMAP OF, UH, HOW OUR PROCESS WILL GO AND, UM, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, REVIEWING CASES. YOU KNOW, ME, ME PERSONALLY, I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR ON HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE THE CASES. UM, BUT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS ITSELF, UH, THAT WAS, UH, GREAT. VERY, VERY HELPFUL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? CHRIS, IF I COULD, YEAH. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, IF YOU COULD BE, UM, I, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK IT'S EASY TO, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU DON'T, WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, STANDING A THOUSAND FEET AWAY LOOKING AT THIS PROCESS TO, UH, THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, A PD IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS, BUT WHAT I SAW TODAY, UH, A PD, UH, AND OPO ARE, UM, VERY MUCH, UM, LENDING A HAND, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, AT LEAST THIS PROCESS AS FAR AS HOW THIS REVIEW, CASE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, HAPPENED. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, I GUESS. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? CARLOS? LAURA? YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT. UH, JOHN, YOU MENTIONED WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS CASE REVIEW TRAINING EVERY MONTH. UM, IS THERE A TIME WHERE YOU'LL THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD PAST REVIEWING PAST CASES WITH OPIOID OR AI? YES. FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO DO TODAY, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SET UP A SECOND ONES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, RYAN. YES. WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. YEAH. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEWING, ACTUALLY REVIEWING CASES WITH, UH, IA, UH, ON ACTUAL CASES. SO THE, THE, THIS IS JUST A TRAINING PORTION, SO WE'RE, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR POLICIES. THAT'S WHAT WE DID TODAY. SO THE NEXT ONE WILL BE, UH, SET UP JUST FOR YOU AND TERRY AND WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO ATTEND. AGAIN, I'LL PROBABLY GO JUST FOR, UH, INFORM INFORMATION. SO, BUT, BUT, BUT TO CLARIFY, UH, WHAT THE INTENTION IS THAT EVENTUALLY WHEN WE START REVIEWING REAL CASES, WE, WE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ASK WHEN WE THINK IT'S NECESSARY, ASK THEM TO COME. 'CAUSE WE WANT THEM TO, WE WANT TO, TO, TO ASK SPECIAL DETAILS OF THE CASE. AND THIS IS FOR THEM, IT'S PRACTICE TOO, SO THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS IN REAL TIME, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT ACTUAL CASES, RIGHT? BUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT A OLD CASE JUST SETS THINGS UP TO HOW WE DO THAT FOR MORE PRESENTATIONS, ET CETERA. SO, YEAH. AND THAT'S WHERE IF, UH, FOR THOSE AT HOME, WE'VE GOT THIS DOCUMENT. ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, IT SHOULD BE IN THE EMAIL THAT RYAN SENT. SO THERE, THERE ARE ACTIVE INTERNAL CASES THAT WE CAN, UH, LOOK AT. AND THERE ARE ACTIVE EXTERNAL ONES. THE ONE, THE GREEN ONES ARE, ARE ONES THAT ARE, UH, KIND OF TRIAGE FOR USE OF FORCE. BUT, UH, THAT'S TO BE SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS LATER. UM, CAN WE MOVE ON [3. Discussion of the consideration and Selection of New Commissioners from the Existing Standby List.] TO ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION OF CONSIDERATION, SELECTION OF NEW COMMISSIONERS FROM THE EXISTING STANDBY LIST. UH, WE HAD ASKED, UH, IN THE LAST MEETING HOW THE, THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD. DO THEY WANT TO GO TO THE LIST OR DO WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN FOR, FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS? SO, COMMISSIONER, IT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE, TO, TO YOU GUYS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO PULL FROM THE STANDING LIST THAT WE HAVE. UH, WHEN WE FIRST START THE APPLICATION PROCESS, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 31 APPLICANTS. AND THEN AFTER THE INITIAL SELECTION, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 15 APPLICANTS REMAINING ON THE STANDBY LIST. OKAY. SO YOU COULD MAKE THE DECISION TO PULL FROM THE REMAINING 15. UM, AND THEN WE COULD APPOINT THEM. WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER APPOINT THE, THE SELECTORS. I, I WOULD WANNA DO THAT. WE, NOW, IF WE HAVE, UM, [00:20:01] IF WE WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR MORE VOLUNTEERS, HOW WILL THAT PROCESS, WHAT DOES THAT TIMELINE LOOK LIKE FOR US? WE CANNOT SAY WHAT THE TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE. I MEAN, WE WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE APPLICATIONS TO COME IN. IT COULD BE ANY, IT'S GONNA BE A COUPLE OF MONTHS. I, I THINK THIS WOULD BE QUICKER. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS, OKAY. I THINK THAT WE HAVE 15 ALREADY ON THE LIST THAT ALREADY WE SELECTED. THEN I THINK WE GO WITH THAT. AND ONCE WE EXHAUST STAT, THEN WE COULD SOLICIT MORE. THAT WAS THE PLAN. THAT'S WHY I WASN'T SURE. BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY THE, UH, WE WANTED TO SEE IF THE CITY MANAGER NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO, YEAH. CAN WE GET THAT LIST FROM YOU? SO YEAH, YOU COULD DEFINITELY GET THE LIST. UH, GA MCCANN IS THE APPOINT, WELL, THE DESTINY THE CITY MANAGER. SO SHE HAS A DECISION TO MAKE THAT. OKAY. YEAH. SO DO WE JUST DO A MOTION TO ASK FOR, TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND START SELECTING OR REACHING OUT TO MORE CANDIDATES? WELL, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM YEAH, FUTURE AGENDA. WE COULD PLACE THAT ON THERE AND THEN WE COULD, WE COULD SELECT THE OKAY. OPEN IT UP. YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. WE'LL ADD ON FUTURE. YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL ADD THAT, WE'LL ADD THAT TO FUTURE ITEMS, GUYS. WELL, I, IF I COULD BE RECOGNIZED, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK THE PROCESS OF SELECTING US, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE SAME THING WITH WHOEVER. UH, WELL, WHOEVER MAKES THE DECISION, I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST A RANDOM LOTTERY SYSTEM. SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S HOW WE WERE PICKED. IT'S JUST PUTTING NUMBERS AND A, A, A TURN THING, AND I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED. IT'S LIKE BINGO OR SOMETHING. YEAH. IT'S JUST A LOTTERY SYSTEM. I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. MM-HMM . SO THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE WE'RE GONNA PICK THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THAT. IT'S JUST, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE JUST PICK AT RANDOM LOTTERY SYSTEM. THAT'S WHO THEY ARE. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. SO WE WILL ADD THAT. I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE IF THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL INTERESTED, RIGHT? AND SO IF NOT, THEN WE ARE WASTING EVEN MORE TIME. SO I THINK SINCE IT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK WE REACH OUT TO THE PEOPLE ONCE WE GET THE LIST, REACH OUT TO ALL OF THEM, GAUGE THEIR INTEREST, TELL THEM THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 15 DAYS TO RESPOND OR WHATEVER, WITHIN THAT 15 DAYS OF THOSE RESPONDENTS, THEN WE CAN DO THE LOTTERY WITH THE AVAILABLE POOL. BECAUSE IF WE'RE DOING A LOTTERY AND 12 PEOPLE ARE ALREADY NOT INTERESTED, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, WHAT KIND OF LOTTERY IS THAT? WHEN YOU, YOU'RE DOWN TO THREE PEOPLE, RIGHT? WE NEED MORE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHO IS STILL AVAILABLE AND MAY WANT TO PARTICIPATE. AND IF THAT NUMBER IS LARGE ENOUGH, THEN WE CAN DO THE LOTTERY. IF NOT, THEN WE JUST ADOPT, UH, THE CANDIDATES THAT DO RESPOND. THINGS WOULD BE MORE, I GUESS, EFFICIENT AS OPPOSED TO DOING A LOTTERY AND THEN HAVE NO RESPONSE OR HAVE VERY LITTLE INTEREST OF RESPONSE. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S MY IDEA. I AGREE. ANYONE ELSE? NO. ALL [4. Discussion of access to open OPO cases, including the volume of pending cases and the anticipated timeline for when cases will be available for CPRC review.] RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UH, DISCUSSION OF ACCESS TO OPEN OPO CASES, INCLUDING THE VOLUME OF PENDING CASES IN THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE FOR WHEN CASES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR CPRC REVIEW. UH, UH, ANYONE WANT TO, UH, START THE DISCUSSION ON THAT? I THINK I PROPOSED THAT. SO I'LL DISCUSS, UM, MY WHOLE THING IS WE ARE REALLY GOOD AT PLANNING THINGS AND PUTTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS, BUT WE'RE VERY BAD AT ACTUALLY EXECUTING THINGS AND DOING THE REAL WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN CALLED TO DO. UM, AND SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS TO ASK. 'CAUSE I THINK, UM, LAURA ASKED THE SAME THING. WHEN ARE WE GONNA ACTUALLY START DOING THE WORK? WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET THERE? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE TIED TO THAT? AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALLY START DOING THE ACTUAL WORK? BECAUSE WE'RE GOOD AT, LIKE I SAID, TALKING ABOUT THE WORK, BUT WE ACTUALLY NEED TO DO THE WORK AND WE NEED TO BE INTENTIONAL, DELIBERATE, AND TIE THAT TO ALMOST A SMART METHODOLOGY WHERE IT JUST MAKES SENSE AND IT FLOWS, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. WE CAN'T ALWAYS SAY THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. A YEAR IS GONNA PASS AND WE'RE GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY PRODUCTIVE. SO THAT'S HOW I'LL START OFF THE DISCUSSION. [00:25:01] OKAY. MAY I ADD TO THE DISCUSSION, SIR? YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO IN YOUR, I GUESS, PACKET OF INFORMATION MICROPHONE, I THINK IT'S ACTIVATED. SORRY ABOUT THAT. IN YOUR PACKET OF INFORMATION, THERE ARE MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS THAT SIT RIGHT THERE. IT SHOWS THE ACTIVE EXTERNAL AS WELL AS THE ACTIVE INTERNAL CASES WITHIN THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT. SO WHAT THAT SHOWS ARE 46 ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS WITHIN THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT. THERE'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT CORRESPONDS WITH THE COMPLAINT NUMBERS THAT GIVES YOU ALL A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT EACH, WHAT THE TOPIC OF EACH COMPLAINT IS, AS WELL AS FOR THE EXTERNAL CASES, HOW THE OFFICE SENT THEM DOWN TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO BE INVESTIGATED. AND A SUMMARY OVERVIEW OF THE INTERNAL CASES BASED ON HOW THE COMMANDER FORWARDED THE REQUEST FOR INVE INVESTIGATION TO THE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION. THE REASON THIS DECK DOCUMENT, THESE DOCUMENTS ARE INCLUDED IS TO HELP YOU ALONG IN THE PROCESS THAT, UH, THAT MR. FLOOD IS SPEAKING TO. UH, I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A SUBCOMMITTEE TO DO TRIAGE TO DETERMINE WHAT COMES BEFORE THE FULL COMMISSION. AND THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION WAS HOPEFULLY AS THAT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETS, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL AND SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH THEM RELATIVE TO THE SPECIFIC CASES SO THAT THEN THEY CAN FORWARD OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL COMMISSION OF WHICH CASES YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO BE BRIEFED ON, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT NO BRIEFING WOULD OCCUR UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION HAS CONCLUDED. CORRECT. YEAH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT MY, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, OPO IS DOING A WONDERFUL JOB. IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT ABOUT OPO. I'M SPEAKING ON THIS INTERNAL COMMISSION ITSELF AS, UH, TREADMILLING GOING NOWHERE FAST. UM, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE LACKING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE MECHANISMS TO DO IT. YOU GUYS ARE READY TO PROVIDE US EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED. IT IS NOT YOU ALL AT OPO THAT'S HOLDING THIS BACK. IT IS US AS AN INTERNAL DELIBERATE BODY. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE START MOVING MORE INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE LEADING TO NO ACTION IS NOT BECAUSE OF ANYONE ELSE. WE MAY BE, UH, MISSING SOME BITS AND PIECES OF IT, BUT THIS IS ON US AND WE CAN DELIBERATE AND DELIBERATE FOR ONLY SO LONG. I THINK, UH, THE PEOPLE SPOKE WHEN THEY VOTED TO CREATE THIS, THAT THEY DO WANT ACTION AND THEY DO WANT ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT WE ARE NOT DELIVERING THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE ARE JUST CONTINUOUSLY DELIBERATING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANYTHING THAT OPO OR INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS DOING, UM, AS WELL AS FAR AS THEIR COORDINATION OR THEIR AVAILABILITY OR ANYTHING ELSE. THIS IS REALLY AN INTERNAL PROBLEM TO US. AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO DO BETTER TO BE MORE DELIBERATE. AND I CAN TELL YOU THE ONE THING THAT I KEEP GOING BACK TO IS COMMUNICATION. UM, THE ONLY TIME WE REALLY COMMUNICATE IS AT THESE MEETINGS. AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN DO ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ONCE A MONTH. UM, IT FEELS VERY SILOED, VERY FRACTURED, AND WE HAVE TO DEVELOP A BETTER SYSTEM. BUT I WILL YIELD THE FLOOR. ALRIGHT. UM, RESPOND TO YOU, UM, WHAT ACTION ITEM NUMBER NINE? ACTION ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, ACTUALLY IS OUR FIRST CASE TO REVIEW. SO WHEN WE GET THERE, THAT'S DIRECTLY CORRELATED TO NUMBER FOUR ON OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED APPROVAL TO, UH, REVIEW THAT CASE. AND IT'S ITEM NUMBER 13 ON THE, UH, THE SHEET THAT YOU HAVE FOR ACTIVE INTERNAL. AND THAT'S AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, JUST SO YOU KNOW. SO WE DO A CASE REVIEW, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. BUT THAT, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO JUDGE MY BIGGER ISSUE. I THINK MS. KATHY HAD HER HAND UP. GO AHEAD, KATHY. UH, YES. I JUST, I, I, I THINK I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. UM, TERRY, UH, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I, I, I'M VERY ANXIOUS FOR US TO GET STARTED, UM, AND MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, AND I TOO AM HAVING SOME ISSUES HOW TO NAVIGATE SPEAKING WITH ALL OF YOU AND STAYING COMPLIANT WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. UM, I, I'M STILL VERY MUCH NAVIGATING THAT MYSELF. UM, BUT I, IF I HEAR [00:30:01] WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING IN THIS MEETING ALONE, UH, ESPECIALLY IN WHAT I JUST HEARD FROM, UH, FROM KEVIN, UH, IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE A, WE JUST RECEIVED A PACKET OF CASES THAT WE CAN CHOOSE FROM, UH, IF I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY. UM, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO DO TRIAGE. MY, MY QUESTION IS, HAVE WE HAS ANY, HAVE WE ESTABLISHED THAT SUBCOMMITTEE YET? I'M UNCLEAR ON THAT. I THINK WE, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON THAT THE DAY. OH, GREAT. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. GREAT. AND ALSO, I KNOW THAT RYAN SENT OUT THE BACKGROUND CHECK INFORMATION, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMPLIANCE LOOKS LIKE ON THAT. UM, RYAN, WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING ON THAT, SIR? YES. WE HAVE RECEIVED ALL THE INFORMATION FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN FORWARDED TO THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, AND THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH, UM, COMMUNICATING WITH YOU ALL REGARDING THE BACKGROUND CHECKS. OKAY. SO I THINK, BECAUSE I KNOW I GOT AN EMAIL FROM HUMAN RESOURCES THIS MORNING YES. UM, ASKING ME TO, TO GO FORWARD WITH THE BACKGROUND CHECK. THAT IS CORRECT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES, SIR. AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER FLOOD ALSO TODAY, I GUESS I, I FOUND OUT THAT, UM, WE ARE SHORT OF HAVING, UH, TRAINING ON THE SYSTEM SO WE COULD HAVE FULL ACCESS, COMPLETE ACCESS. SO THOSE TWO THINGS WERE THE THRESHOLD. I WAS, MY GOAL WAS TO BE ABLE TO SAY TODAY, YOU KNOW, READY FOR SHOWTIME. BUT WE STILL HAVE THOSE, THOSE TWO THINGS. THE, THE, THE SCHEDULE, THE TRAINING AND, AND THE SYSTEM ITSELF. AND THAT DOESN'T STOP US FROM STARTING, BUT THAT STOP US FROM ABLE TO INDIVIDUALLY JUST GO AND START PULLING THINGS WHEN YOU WANT. SO I, I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WERE HOPING TO HAVE. SO, YEAH. AND I, I THINK THAT MAY BE A GOOD THING TO PUT ON THE, UM, FOR THE NEXT, UM, MEETING, IS TO VOTE ON, UM, A WAY FORWARD, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR GAPS ARE. LIKE TO DO A GAP ANALYSIS AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO BE WHOLE, SO THAT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE WORK DONE. THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR. I, I LIKE YOU GUYS, I LIKE OUR MEETINGS, BUT I, I WANT TO, I WANNA BE PRODUCTIVE. WELL, WE WANT TO MEAN SOMETHING. AND ACTUALLY IN OUR MEETING ABSOLUTELY EARLIER, UH, KEVIN WAS TELLING US, WAS IT CGIS, CGIS, CGI, WE NEED TO BE CGIS COMPLIANT, WHICH IS CRIMINAL JUSTICE INVESTIGATIVE SYSTEM INFORMATION SYSTEM. INFORMATION SYSTEM. WE NEED TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT SO WE CAN REVIEW ALL THE NON REDACTED VIDEO. SO THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING SEPARATE FROM OUR, OUR, OUR, UH, BACKGROUND CHECKS. SO WE'LL BE, YOU'LL BE GETTING AN EMAIL, UH, REGARDING THAT. UH, JUST JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS WAS BASED ON A STATE LAW THAT RECENTLY PASSED. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE REQUESTING THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS TO RECEIVE THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK THAT IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM RIGHT. C YEAH, WE UNDERSTOOD. AND THAT'S, BUT WHEN, UH, KEVIN WAS TELLING US IN OUR TRAINING TODAY, THAT WAS AN ADDITION TO THAT, SO WE'LL BE SENDING OUT YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE VOTED ON WAS, UM, IN A PREVIOUS MEETING, WAS FOR THOSE, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE TRIAGE PROCESS TO HAVE THAT, UH, C ACCESS. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT FOR EVERYBODY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. 'CAUSE EVENTUALLY EVERYONE'S GONNA BE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK, AS THE PLAN WAS LAID OUT. SO YEAH. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO JUST BE DELIBERATE AND GO FORWARD. UM, AND THAT'S, I THINK I BEAT THAT ACTION ITEM TO THE GROUND, BUT IT'S STILL OPEN FOR PROFIT. BUT, BUT IN FAIRNESS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE VERY FIRST MEETINGS WE HAVE LAST YEAR, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE ON THE COMM COMMISSIONER WERE ASKING, I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER HARRIS TALKED ABOUT WHY DON'T WE DON'T WE GO GET THE CRIMINAL, UH, CHECK SO WE COULD, UH, SUPER, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT OBSTACLE. SO WE, WE, WE WAS, WE WASTED MONTHS AND MONTHS WHERE WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS CRIMINAL CHECK BECAUSE MOST OF US WOULD'VE SAID, FINE, LET'S GO, LET'S DO THAT. SO THAT, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT'S . YEAH. WE, WE JUST, WELL, ALSO, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW. RIGHT. AND SO, UM, EVERYBODY VOTED TO TABLE IT UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND MORE WHOLESOMELY WHAT WE NEEDED. BUT NOW I THINK WE KIND OF KNOW A LOT MORE, AND NOW WE ARE IN ROME AND WE SHOULD DO US THE ROME, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. KEVIN, CAN WE GET A LINK OR, OR WHO SENDS THE LINK FOR THE CIS STUFF? WHERE WOULD THAT COME FROM? WHERE DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH? WELL, WE GO THROUGH A PD FOR, FOR CGIS CERTIFICATION. OKAY. AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE CO COMMISSION REGARDING THE PROCESS. ALL RIGHT. 'CAUSE IT'S A FOUR HOUR, UH, COURSE I'M TOLD. SO WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL INDEPENDENTLY GONNA HAVE TO DO OUR OWN TRAINING. SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S ALL ONLINE. [00:35:01] SO IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE TO DO THAT. YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE ON YOUR OWN TO GET IT DONE AND SUBMIT THE INFORMATION BACK TO A PD OR HOWEVER THAT'S WHEREVER THE, THE FORMAT IS. SO, UM, BUT THAT KIND OF GOES WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE NEED TO, TO GET, START REVIEWING PENDING CASES. SO IT, THE ONE'S GONNA BE ON EACH ONE OF US TO GET IT DONE. OKAY. POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THAT, AS A FULL COMMITTEE, IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT DONE, THAT WILL NOT STOP THOSE INDIVIDUALS FROM REVIEWING THOSE CASES, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. CORRECT. IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE INDIVIDUALLY, EVERYONE'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN, IF THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO REVIEW NON REDACTED INFORMATION TO YOU BEING COMPLIANT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. [5. Discussion of policies, applicable laws, and procedures related to the proactive release of redacted body-worn camera (BWC) footage of eight arrests made by APD officers during Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) protests or related events in June 2025. Discussion will also include whether any complaints were filed against the officers, considering First and Fourth Amendment protections (i.e., speech/assembly and searches and seizures).] UH, NUMBER FIVE. DISCUSSION OF POLICIES, APPLICABLE LAWS AND PROCEDURES RELATED TO THE PROACTIVE RELEASE OF REDACTED BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE OF EIGHT ARRESTS MADE BY A PD OFFICERS DURING IMMIGRATION, CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT PROTESTS, OR RELATED EVENTS IN JUNE OF 2025. DISCUSSION WILL ALSO INCLUDE WHETHER ANY COMPLAINTS WERE FILED AGAINST THE OFFICERS. AND CONCERNING FIRST AND FOURTH AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS, I, SPEECH ASSEMBLY AND SEARCHES AND SEIZURES. UH, CHRIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP INITIALLY AND UH, UH, I ADDED IT TO THE DISCUSSION 'CAUSE YOU WERE RATHER ADAMANT THAT YOU WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT ON, UH, THE NEXT, UH, MEETING. UH, SO AS I SAID LAST MEETING, EITHER OFFICERS ACTED LAWFULLY OR UNLAWFULLY. AND, UM, THE IDEA HERE IS TO, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. OBVIOUSLY, WE, WE, WE'LL GET TO THE ACTION ITEM WHEN WE GET THERE, BUT THE IDEA IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A PD TO RELEASE, UM, UH, REDACTED VERSIONS OF THE, UH, ARRESTS MADE BY A PD OFFICERS AND THOSE PROTESTS, AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND AS TO WHAT HAPPENED THERE. AND OBVIOUSLY, IF WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE CASES AND SEE IF THERE WAS, UM, SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UP TO US OBVIOUSLY. UM, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE ASKING A PD TO REDACT AND PROACTIVELY RELEASE THIS FOOTAGE ON ONE OF THEIR WEB PAGES AND ALSO INFORM, UH, PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS THAT ARE PENDING ABOUT THAT. UH, SO THAT, UH, THEY CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND IT MAY EVEN, I, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS THAT ARE PENDING RIGHT NOW, AND IT COULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE THOSE OUTTA THE QUEUE. UM, UH, IF THE REQUESTERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GOT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD MOOT THE REQUEST MORE OR LESS. UH, OBVIOUSLY I, I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, PROBABLY DISCUSS WITH OUR ATTORNEY AS FAR AS THE, THE DETAILS OF THAT. UM, BUT YEAH, I, I, I, I GAVE THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, LAST MONTH. UH, THE, THE DRAFT OF IT IS THE SECOND DRAFT. AND AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY AMENDMENTS TO IT. IT'S JUST AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE A MEMO OR IT'D PROBABLY BE ONE OF OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? NO, I KNOW IT'S AN ACTION ITEM. IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON AS FAR AS DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON REQUESTING THIS INFORMATION? OR WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? ALL IT'S I ITEM NUMBER 10 IN OUR AGENDA AS AN ACTION ITEM. OKAY. SO MM-HMM . SO WHEN WE GET THE 10, THEN WE CAN'T TAKE A VOTE ON IT RIGHT. ASS AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. RIGHT. OKAY. I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS. I, I THINK, UH, I'M ALL FOR TRANSPARENCY IN ALL SITUATIONS. SO AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN GET, THEN THE BETTER. YEAH. AND I, I DO WANNA CLARIFY, THERE ARE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS IN THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT WE COULD GET INTO THE WEEDS TOO, ABOUT. UM, BUT YES. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. UH, OKAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD [6. Discussion of public speaker comments from the CPRC regular meeting held on July 18, 2025.] TO NUMBER ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC SPEAKER COMMENTS FROM THE CPRC REGULAR MEETING HELD ON JULY 18TH, UH, 2025. ANYONE WANNA OPEN WITH THAT? [00:40:04] UM, I'LL SAY THAT I'M GLAD THAT SWAN BROUGHT UP THE, THE A LPR PROGRAM AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE PURVIEW THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW. OKAY. GAIL, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? ARE WE INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THE A LPR, UH, ON THAT LICENSE PLATE READERS? OH, WHAT I WILL SAY IT'S ON HOLD. SO YEAH, WHAT I WILL SAY RELATED TO THE A LPR, UM, THAT, THAT INITIATIVE IS NOT MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME. UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER PAUSED THE A LPR PILOT PROGRAM. I THINK IT WAS JUNE 30TH, I WANNA SAY. AND SO CURRENTLY I AM NOT AWARE WHEN THAT, UH, WILL COME BACK. THAT ITEM WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. MAYBE WE CAN, UH, IF IT COMES BACK ON THE COUNCIL, MAYBE WE CAN EDIT THEN. I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANY NEED TO, TO REHASH SOMETHING THAT'S PAUSED RIGHT NOW. UH, MAYBE WE CAN ASK IF THERE, IF IT'S GONNA BE RE-IMPLEMENTED. UH, 'CAUSE THE CITY DID, DID GO TO AN EXPENSE TO, TO PUT THAT IN. I'M ASSUMING THERE PROBABLY WILL AT SOME POINT, BUT THERE'S, WE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING TO DISCUSS AT THIS POINT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S, [7. Discussion and request for information from the newly established Case Review Working Group (led by Commissioners Flood and Cortez-Franco) regarding their preliminary process to assess and prioritize cases, and their plan to submit weekly updates to the Chair and Vice-Chair for full commission review.] UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION OR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FROM THE NEWLY ESTABLISHED CASE REVIEW WORKING GROUP LED BY COMMISSIONERS FLOOD AND CORTEZ FRANCO, REGARDING THEIR PRELIMINARY PROCESS TO ASSESS AND PRIOR TO CA CASES AND THEIR PLAN TO SUBMIT WEEKLY UPDATES TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR FULL COMMISSION REVIEW. UH, MR. FLOOD OR MS. CORTEZ FRANCO THINK MUCH MORE ELOQUENT. I'LL LET HER GO FIRST. UM, SO FOR THE CASE REVIEW WORKING GROUP, THOSE PRELIMINARY PROCESS TO ASSESS AND PRIORITIZE CASES, WE JUST GOT THE FIRST COPY FROM OPO REGARDING ANY OPEN CASES WE HAVE. SO WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN FOLLOWING UP, UH, AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WE'LL BE ADDING SOME ACTION ITEMS REQUESTING, UH, APPROVAL OF REQUEST ON ACCESS TO THOSE FILES IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY UPDATES WE HAVE IS AS OF YESTERDAY FOR THIS MEETING. WE JUST GOT THE FIRST COPY OF CASES SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. SO AS WE'RE WORKING WITH OPO AND WE'RE GETTING THIS INFORMATION, WE'RE GONNA KEEP UPDATING HOW FAR WE ARE ALONG WORKING WITH THIS. BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE FIRST COPY THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, IN WORKING WITH BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE CASES AND THOSE ESTABLISHED CASES SO FAR. UH, COMMISSIONER FLOOD, IF YOU WANT ANYTHING TO ADD, I JUST WANNA TRUST THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO GET BETTER AS WE MOVE FORWARD. UM, AS I STATED, THE BIGGEST BARRIER IS THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE IN THE REALM OF COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OTHER. AND, UM, WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GOING TO GET BETTER GOING FORWARD AS WE ATTEMPT TO GET BETTER AS A DELIBERATE BODY. UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, LAST ITEM. UH, AND WE'LL DISCUSS, UH, I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY REGARDING THE LIST FOR OF THE, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, KEVIN SENT US OR GAVE US FOR TODAY WITH THE INTERNAL THINGS. AND, UH, I'LL SEND SEPARATE EMAILS SO WE, WE HAVE EVERYTHING AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FOR THE CASE REVIEW WORKING GROUP. UM, SO [8. Discussion of the May 2025 arrest on 6th Street and Internal Affairs Case 2025-0222.] LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSSION OF THE MAY, 2020 FIFTH, 2025 ARREST ON SIXTH STREET INTERNAL AFFAIRS CASE 2025 DASH OH 2 22. UH, WE ACTUALLY REVIEWED THAT TODAY AND OUR MEETING WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UH, PRIOR TO THIS FOR AS PART OF OUR TRAINING. SO, UH, WHO WANTS TO START THE DISCUSSION? CHRIS, I BELIEVE YOU BROUGHT THIS UP INITIALLY, DIDN'T YOU? UH, WAS IT ME THAT BROUGHT UP THIS INCIDENT? I, I MIGHT HAVE, UM, DISCUSSION AT THE SIXTH STREET. I MEAN, IT WAS, YEAH, I THINK, UH, MAYBE FOR A FUTURE ACTION ITEM IS THE LOOK IN THE PROACTIVE RELEASE OF THE I IF WE PROBABLY NEED TO FIND OUT, I THINK IT ALREADY HAS BEEN RELEASED, THE, THE FULL BODY CAM FOOTAGE. UM, YEAH, IT'S BEEN ADJUDICATED, SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING OTHER THAN HOW IT GOT TO DONE SO QUICKLY. I THINK IT WAS PART OF IT, UH, WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WANTED TO FIND OUT, BUT I THINK IT, UH, KEVIN, DO YOU WANT ANSWER OR JUMP IN ON THIS ONE SINCE YOU WERE PART OF THE, THE PROCESS? UH, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY THE SPECIFIC END IN MIND, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A [00:45:01] SURPRISE TO US AS WELL. I THINK THE, WE RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT AROUND MARCH 3RD OR 15TH, AND IT WAS ADJUDICATED BY APRIL 6TH, OR EIGHTH, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO A LITTLE OVER A COUPLE OF WEEKS. IT WAS A QUICK MOVING, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS REVIEW IS WHAT I'LL DESCRIBE. AND WHEN WE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION THAT, UM, THAT THE CASE FILE WAS HEADED TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, WE REALLY DIDN'T RECEIVE IT IN THE WAY WE TRADITIONALLY RECEIVED IT. I THINK WE RECEIVED IT VIA, UH, A PRESS RELEASE FROM A PD SAYING THAT THEY HAD REVIEWED IT AND THEY HAD REACHED SOME CONCLUSIONS OUTSIDE OF GIVING YOU THE APPROXIMATE TIMELINE OF WHEN WE RECEIVED IT. AND OF COURSE, WE ARE ON RECORD AS WHEN WE SENT THE CASE FILE DOWN TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WE'D MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE WAS A POLICY, WE BELIEVE THERE MAY BE A POLICY VIOLATION. AND, UH, AT THE CONCLUSION, PRIOR TO US KNOWING WHAT THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE, THE DIRECTOR SENT A LETTER OR A MEMO TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE ADVISING HER THAT WE BELIEVE THE, UH, THE OFFICER HAD VIOLATED DEPARTMENT POLICY AND WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF WHAT WE THOUGHT AN APPROPRIATE DISCIPLINE MAY BE. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. YEAH, I DON'T, IT, IT SEEMED I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION. OH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, MR. FLO. I DO HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION. I SAW, WELL, YOU BRIEFED THAT THE, THE FOLLOWING MEETING, THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THAT YOU GUYS HAD A LOT OF CASES. SO IS IT ATYPICAL FOR A CASE TO BE ADJUDICATED THIS FAST? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. THAT'S UNUSUAL. WE DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE ADJUDICATED FAIRLY QUICKLY, BUT VERY FEW, UH, RIGHT. INVOLVING USE OF FORCE OF THIS NATURE. AND SO WHAT KIND OF MEASURES CAN WE TAKE IF WE THINK THAT FOR SOME REASON THIS, THESE TYPE OF CASES, UM, WHEN IT'S HIGH PROFILE ANYTHING AND THEY WANT TO JUST GET THE CASE OFF THEIR CASE LAW, IF WE THINK THAT IT'S MOVING TOO FAST, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO AS A, AS A BODY? UM, I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT OPO BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN PROCEDURE AND PRO, BUT DO YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO AS AN OVERSIGHT BODY TO MAKE THIS SLOW DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE TIME TO GIVE INPUT? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO GIVE YOUR INPUT, BUT I'M SURE THAT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AS THOROUGHLY AND JUDICIOUSLY AS YOU USUALLY DO. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY MECHANISMS THAT WOULD ALLOW US, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE STILL DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, UM, TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE? I WILL SAY THAT YOUR PROCESS IS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL, UM, THE MANNER IN WHICH A PD DOES THE DO THEIR WORK, BUT ONCE A CASE IS ADJUDICATED, YOU HAVE THE, UM, THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS JUST LIKE WE DID. ALTHOUGH THE CASE WENT VERY QUICKLY. UM, YOU, YOU, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE CASE, DETERMINE THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A POLICY VIOLATION, AND THEN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF. AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME AUTHORITY TO, TO, TO WRITE A MEMO AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. WHO ISSUED, RIGHT. BUT I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. WHO, WHO HAD ISSUED THAT MEMO, WOULD THAT BE THE BODY OR WOULD THAT BE GO THROUGH YOU? OF COURSE, THE MEMO WOULD COME FROM THE BODY, BUT IT WOULD BE SIGNED BY YOU AS THE CHAIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, THAT MEMO IS POST, POST POST DECISION THOUGH, RIGHT? THE IT IS ALREADY THE CASE IS CLOSED, THE CHIEF HAS ALREADY TAKEN HER ACTION. SO EVEN IF WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, SHE'S NOT GONNA GO REVERSE HER FIRST DECISION TO TAKE UP WHAT OPO OR THIS BODY MAY THINK. IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT, BUT I THINK IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY GET A RESPONSE OR EXPLANATION IN TERMS OF, UH, THE PROCESS. YEAH. AND, AND TERRY, WE, WE ACTUALLY LEARNED EARLIER THAT THIS WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, ADJUDICATION. AND I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN THINGS, UH, AFTER THIS COMMITTEE MEETING ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNDERSTAND, NOT RELEVANT, UNDERSTAND. BUT NO, I EVEN, EVEN WITH THAT, UM, BECAUSE THE CASE HAS ALREADY BEEN ADJUDICATED, UM, WE CAN GO ON RECORD. I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UM, I'M BEING TOLD AND STILL COMMUNICATE TO THE CHIEF. BUT WHAT THERE'S NO, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITY IS TO IDENTIFY GAPS IN POLICY AND ANYTHING ELSE. THERE'S NO STOP GAP TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN ON THE NETS HIGH PROFILE CASE. [00:50:01] AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT, AND THAT'S A WAY TO CIRCUMVENT BOTH OPO AND THIS COMMITTEE. AND I THINK THAT, AND I'LL BRING IT UP FOR, UH, THE NETS AGENDA ITEM, BUT I THINK THAT'S A, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE AND LOOK AT AND DEVELOP A COUNTERMEASURE TO THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY CAN DO THEIR OWN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION AND THEN CLOSE THE CASE IN A MATTER OF DAYS OR WEEKS, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LITERALLY CIRCUMVENTING BOTH OPO AND THIS BODY IN ORDER TO, UM, COME UP WITH THE DECISION THAT THEY THINK IS BEST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITHOUT ANY REAL INPUT FROM US. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THIS CASE. IF I COULD GO AHEAD, CHRIS. WELL, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING INTO SPECIFICS, IT SOUNDED LIKE WHAT WAS RELEASED ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THIS CASE VERSUS THE TOTALITY OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, UH, THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, IF THERE HASN'T BEEN A REDACTED BODY CAM RELEASED OF, OF THIS INCIDENT, GRANTED WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR OWN PROCESS. OPIOIDS GONNA HAVE THEIR PROCESS, APDS GONNA HAVE THEIR PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT PROCESS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I FEEL LIKE WHATEVER THE TRANSPARENCY WE CAN GIVE TO THE PUBLIC OF THIS INCIDENT SO THEY CAN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT HAPPENED IS A GOOD IDEA. IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUT IT ON AN AGENDA ITEM FOR A, A FUTURE RECOMMENDATION OF, YOU KNOW, PROACTIVE RELEASE OF IF IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, OF THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE, SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT HAPPENED, NOT JUST, UH, UH, HOWEVER LONG THE VIDEO ON SOCIAL MEDIA WAS RELEASED, UM, SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND ALL WHAT HAPPENED HERE. UNDERSTOOD. UH, CARLOS, YEAH, I GUESS, UM, MAKE SURE FOR CLARITY, IS THERE A MECHANISM, DOES OPO HAVE PRESENTLY A MECHANISM TO AVOID THAT? THE FACT, UH, THAT A CASE GETS, UH, THAT THE POLICE CHIEFS MAKES A, A RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT YOU GUYS EVER KNOWING? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD ENSURE THAT YOU, THAT YOU KNOW, BEFORE SHE SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE DECIDE, THAT YOU HAVE A FULL, A FAIR WARNING? NO, YOU DON'T HAVE A, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EITHER, RIGHT? SO WE'RE BOTH ESSENTIALLY AT, AT THE MERCY OF THAT. OKAY. YEAH. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD BUSINESS FOR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE. YOU CAN'T BUILD TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN THE SYSTEM IF THEY CAN QUICKLY ADJUDICATE CASES AND MAKE THEIR OWN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DECISIONS WITHOUT ANY BODY ELSE'S INPUT. NOT EVEN OPOS. SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THERE. YEAH. SO YEAH, DEFINITELY. AND WE'RE WAITING ON A, A, A BASICALLY A PROCESS THAT, UH, KEVIN'S GOT AND WE'RE WAITING ON FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS, SO WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEY DO AND SEE WHAT GAPS THEY MIGHT HAVE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT FOR OURSELVES. UH, ALSO JUST, AND FOR THE LAST NOTE ON THIS CASE, THAT OFFICER IS NO LONGER WITH THE FORCE, THEY RESIGNED, SO UNDERSTOOD. BUT I KNOW THE TRANSPARENCY IS THE, THE CONCERNING ISSUE. UNDERSTOOD. BUT THAT'S, YEAH. AND MAY HAVE THE GAP IS, UH, THE GAP IS LARGE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY CAN LITERALLY CIRCUMVENT TWO DIFFERENT BODIES. UM, BECAUSE O PS SENDS US THE CASE SOON AS THEY GET IT, BUT IF THEY'RE ALREADY BEHIND, THEN WE'RE DEFINITELY BEHIND AND WE MEET LESS FREQUENTLY THAN THEY DO. AND SO IT REALLY PUTS US AT A BIG DISADVANTAGE. AND I THINK, UH, THAT SHOULD BE SHORED UP, LIKE, UM, POST HASTE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN BEING PROACTIVE ANYMORE. THIS CASE IS ALREADY ADJUDICATED, AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE PUBLIC THOUGHT THEY HAD IS SPREAD ALL OVER, UM, THE INTERNET. AND YEAH, THE TRUTH, UM, THE, A LIE MAKES IT HALFWAY AROUND THE WORLD WHILE THE TRUTH'S GETTING THE SHOES ON, BUT APPARENTLY WE CAN'T EVEN CATCH UP TO THE TRUTH. AND, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR SYSTEM. SO YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THE END OF THIS TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA TO, UM, UNDERSTAND AND FIGURE OUT WAYS TO, UH, DISCUSS STOPPING THIS TYPE OF PROCESS. 'CAUSE I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR OPO, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT. ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT WE ADD THIS AS AN ACTION ITEM TO REVIEW PROCESSES AND HOW TO PUT THIS IN OUR POLICIES AND DISCUSS WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND OPO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BEHIND THAT, THAT SCHEDULE? AGAIN, I, I, I DON'T THINK IT BEING OUR POLICIES WILL IMPACT A PDI THINK MAYBE WHAT, [00:55:02] WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WAS GETTING TO, THIS MAY BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION FOR A PD TO CHANGE ITS POLICIES. THAT'S I'M SAYING. WE REVIEW THOSE POLICIES AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, FOR THEM TO CHANGE THEIR POLICIES SO WE HAVE A CHANGE. SO THERE, IF IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEN THEY PROBABLY NEED TO SAY, HEY, HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THIS YET? SO, 'CAUSE I THINK, UH, THE LOWER, I, I THINK IT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY. LIKE IF HE SAID, THIS IS REALLY ATYPICAL, BUT IT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE, I, THEY DIDN'T JUST MISTAKENLY ADJUDICATE THIS CASE QUICKLY. IT WAS DONE WITH INTENTION TO GET THE OUTCOME THAT THEY DESIRED AND TELL THE PUBLIC THAT THE CASE IS CLOSED. I, I, I WOULD SAY AS SOMEONE WHO HAS REVIEWED THAT CASE, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, I, I, I DISAGREE. I THINK THAT BASICALLY, UM, THEY, IT, IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY LOOKED AT THIS, AND FOR THEM IT WAS OBVIOUS. CLEARLY IT WAS NOT A VIOLATION. AND THAT'S WHY THEY, SHE, THAT'S WHY THEY WENT SO FAST, BECAUSE, YEAH. SO THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT GUESS WHAT? YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW SELECT PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN THE, THE CASE IN TOTALITY. AND SO IF IT'S THAT EASY AND SO SIMPLE, THEN WHY IS IT HARD TO RELEASE THAT TO THE PUBLIC AND LET OTHER PEOPLE, ALSO OTHER BODIES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT ALSO HAVE A SAY SO IN THE MATTER BEFORE THE CASE IS CLOSED. IF IT'S THAT OPEN AND SHUT, WHY WAS THAT NEED FOR SPEED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS CASE APPLIED WHEN IT'S NOT APPLIED UNILATERALLY FOR ANY OTHER CASE? THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT MALE FISHY. LOOK, AND IT MAY NOT BE FISHY, BUT THE APPEARANCE OF FISHINESS NO. IS, IS THE THING THAT WE WANT TO PREVENT. YOUR POINT IS WELL, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT BUILDS THAT DISTRUST. YEAH, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. AND ACTUALLY THAT WAS ONE OF THE FEEDBACKS I GOT THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, AND I THINK FROM WHAT I SAW, THEY REALIZED HOW THAT IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S NOTHING TO MAKE THING, TO DO THINGS SO THAT NOBODY CAN EVEN SUSPECT THERE SOMETHING'S WRONG. BUT, UH, THAT'S IT. I WAS JUST MAKING, YEAH, I JUST, I WANNA SECOND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, CARLOS, UH, BROUGHT UP, OR COMMISSIONER REEVES, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT UP THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THIS INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION THAT YEAH, THEY, THEY WERE DIFFERENT. AND IT, IT, YOU KNOW, I, I, I SECOND WHAT MR. UH, UH, COMMISSIONER GRIEVE SAYS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE. AND I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS, UH, YEAH, I, I, I THINK IT IT IT THAT THERE WAS NO BAD THINGS GOING ON WITH THE, WHAT THE OFFICER DID POSSIBLY, BUT YES, THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS WAS ODD. YEAH. THIS IS ALL FOR ONE LAST THING BEFORE WE MOVE ON IS, UH, OPEN UP, OPEN YOUR MIND THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE USED TO SOMETHING, THEY'RE EXPERTS, THEY LOOK AT SOMETHING AND THEY SEE IT'S EASY AND MOVE ON. WHERE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE US, WE'RE NOT IN THE AREA, WOULD SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE'S MORE TO LOOK AT. AND SO SOMETIMES THEY'RE BIASED FOR, FOR WORKING IN THAT AREA PRECISELY TO, WITH, WITH ALL THE INNOCENCE IN THE WORLD, THINK THERE'S NOTHING EGYPT MOVE ON. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE VALUES OF BRINGING A COMMISSION LIKE OURS BECAUSE, AND I THINK THEY SEE THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, DIFFERENT, THE DIVERSITY VIEW POINT TO THEM, HOW YOU MAY SEE THE OBVIOUS, BUT NOT OBVIOUS THE REST OF US, WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN? SO MAY I, MAY I SAY SOMETHING TOO? YES. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE SEEING IT. I'M HAVING SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES HERE. UM, BUT, UM, KEVIN, IF I'M CO IF I'M CORRECT HERE, I THINK, UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN TIME, LIKE SO MANY DAYS OR WITHIN SO MANY, UM, THAT EACH, UM, ENTITY HAS TO FILE TO REPORT. SO IT IS, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? THERE IS A TIMELINE THAT THEY HAVE THE F**K, WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR POLICIES. WE PRETTY MUCH ACCEPT COMPLAINTS. I MEAN, WE'VE ACCEPTED COMPLAINTS THAT'S TWO TO THREE YEARS OLD. THERE ARE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE A PA CONTRACT THAT SPECIFY TIMELINES THAT THEY CAN TAKE ACTIONS AGAINST OFFICERS AND, UH, THAT A PD CAN INTERVIEW AND DISCIPLINE OFFICERS. BUT AS IT RELATES TO JUST TAKING A COMPLAINT, WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR POLICIES A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD IN WHICH SOMEONE HAS TO FILE A COMPLAINT. SO, SO ONCE THAT, UH, LIKE WHAT THE, UM, THE CHIEF DID, UM, REALLY JUST KIND OF, UH, MICRO PASSING IT THROUGH AND MAKING A FINAL DECISION. UH, IS THERE NOT SOME TYPE OF TIMEFRAME THERE? BECAUSE I THINK I'M AGREEING WITH EVERYONE ELSE TOO, SO THAT SOMETHING'S JUST NOT RAILROADED OR SWEPT UNDER THE RUG. UH, THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT'S GOING TO SAY, OKAY, ALLOW [01:00:01] US, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF TIMEFRAME IN THERE FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN JUST THE CHIEF TO FINALLY SAY, YEAH, OKAY, LET'S JUST, THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE TAP ON THE WRIST. LET'S PUSH IT THROUGH, LET'S CLOSE THIS AND MOVE FORWARD. UM, THERE NEEDS TO, THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY SOMEWHERE, SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING AND WHY IS IT BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, PUSHED UNDER THE RUG OR WHATEVER. SO, UH, JUST TO GET CLARIFICATION, SO THERE CAN BE, OKAY, HE, HE, HE RESIGNED. UM, NO ONE EVEN KNOWS WHY HE DID THAT, UH, SPECIFICALLY. SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME, UH, CREDIBILITY IN THERE SOMEWHERE. AND YOU CAN ONLY GET THAT WITH TIME, EVERYBODY GOING THROUGH, FINDING OUT WHAT REALLY WENT ON, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. AND IF YOU DON'T AND JUST HAVE SOMEONE AT THE TOP SAY, OKAY, YEAH, IT'S FINE, LET'S MOVE ON. THAT'S NOT REALLY DOING JUSTICE FOR OPO, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS OR ANYONE ELSE OR THE PUBLIC. SO YEAH, IF WE CAN, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, JUST AGREE WITH EVERYONE ELSE. LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T GET SOME TYPE OF, UM, CLARIFICATION ON A TIMELINE OR, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THOSE DECISIONS ARE JUST REALLY PUSH BACK OUT. THAT WAS PRETTY QUICK. YEAH, IT'S TOO QUICK. ALL RIGHT. UH, MR. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TURN YOUR VIDEO, YOUR CAMERA ON. WE NEED TO SEE YOU, UH, TO VOTE ON ACTION ITEMS. SO WE'RE IN, SORRY. IS IS IT NOT ON? IT IS NOT ON. WE CANNOT SEE YOU. I'D SEE CHRIS, NO, MR. DEMAR. OH, OKAY. MR. JACKSON. I DON'T THINK HE CAN. SORRY, MR. JACKSON, HE SAID HE WAS HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. OKAY. YEAH, BUT MY, MY WHOLE THING IS IF THEY CAN DO THAT THIS TIME AND THEY SAW THAT THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT, WE, WE GOTTA DEVELOP A BACKSTOP BECAUSE THEY'LL DO IT AGAIN. OKAY. UM, IN CRITICAL CASES. AND BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY FOUND A WAY TO BEAT THE SYSTEM AND THEY'RE BASICALLY JUST GIVING US THE MIDDLE FINGER, BOTH OPO AND US AND SAYING, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SUGGESTION. IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE'RE GONNA HANDLE IT INTERNALLY. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WHY DOES OPO IS THIS, WHY DO WE USE THIS? OKAY. IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT. ALRIGHT. AND SO I'M REALLY, REALLY, UH, ADAMANT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, THE WAY THIS CASE WAS HANDLED. YEAH. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREE AND NOT ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH YOU. WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS TO OUR ACTION ITEM TO, UH, WORK WITH, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ADJUST THIS POLICY BECAUSE WE ALL NEED TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. AND, UH, 'CAUSE IF WE'RE OUT OF IT, THEN THERE IS NO REASON TO HAVE, UH, THE OPO OR, OR OUR COMMISSION. SO I, WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, TERRY. YEAH, IT, I WOULD JUST WANNA SAY LIKE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC, IF IT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN RELEASED, A REDACTED VERSION OF THE BODY CAMM FOOTAGE THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE INCIDENT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THERE THE, UH, PUBLIC RELATIONS WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH, NOT US, SINCE IT'S ALREADY ADJUDICATED. AND JOHN, JUST AS A NEXT COMMENTS NO, I THOUGHT WE COULD, I THOUGHT WE COULD VOTE TO, TO RELEASE THAT ADJUDICATED. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. NO, I'M SAYING, BUT FOR FURTHER ACTION, I, I'M, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO PUNT THE PUBLIC RELATIONS, BUT I THINK THIS BODY CAN VOTE ON THIS EVEN IF IT'S PUT ON THE NEXTS AGENDA TO HAVE THIS VIDEO RELEASED SINCE IT'S BEEN ADJUDICATED. YEAH. AND TERRY, LET ME SPEAK ON THAT. I, PUBLIC RELATIONS. SO I, I JUST FOUND OUT TODAY, I'M, I'M CO-LEADING THE CASE REVIEW WORKING GROUP WITH YOU. SO IF THAT MEANS YOU AND I WILL GET TOGETHER AND START DELEGATING THE TASK, BECAUSE THIS DISCUSSION IS, WE'RE GOING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CREATE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE, UH, POLICE CHIEF FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURES CONCERNING THIS CASE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. SO I WANNA HAVE THAT ON RECORD. THAT IS WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS LEADING TO. SO THAT NEXT MEETING, WE WILL HAVE AN ACTION ITEM, WHICH MEANS MAYBE YOU AND I, OR A WORKING GROUP, AS I TALK WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, WILL COME UP WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. SO THAT NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE AN ACTION ITEM TO VOTED ON, UH, BASED ON THAT. SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START. I AGREE WITH EVERYONE BRINGING EVERYTHING TOGETHER, AND I WANNA CREATE THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME MAYBE POLICY PROCEDURES THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THAT WEREN'T TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION AND NO APPEAL'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED WITH THE CASE AS WE'VE SEEN. AND I THINK WITH THAT, WE CAN WRAP UP ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT. YES. ALL [9. Approval of a request to review Internal Affairs Case 2025-01411 related to the officerinvolved shooting on May 31, 2025.] RIGHT. LET'S, UH, MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM, UH, NINE, THE APPROVAL OF REQUEST TO REVIEW INTERNAL AFFAIRS CASE 2025 DASH 0 1 4 1 1, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING ON MAY 31ST, 2025. IT'S, UH, ON THE LIST, YOU HAVE THE LIST. IT'S ITEM NUMBER 13 AND THE GREEN COLUMN. SO, AND CHAIR, I THINK, UH, RYAN IS TRYING TO WORK WITH MR. JACKSON TO GET HIM BACK ON BEFORE HE CAN MOVE TO THE ACTUAL YEAH, I'M STILL HAVING, UH, [01:05:01] SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES OVER HERE. OKAY. I STILL HAVE A, I DID A RESTART, RESET, BUT GOT MY AUDIO WITH NO VIDEO NOW. WELL, SINCE WE HAVE A QUORUM WITHOUT HIM, CAN WE VOTE WITHOUT HIM? MM-HMM . GAIL, SINCE WE HAVE A QUORUM WITHOUT HIM, CAN WE VOTE WITHOUT, UH, MR. JACKSON? I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN VIOLATION OF ANY STATE LAW, BUT SINCE WE HAVE A QUORUM WITHOUT HIM, WE CAN STILL GO MOVE AND VOTE, CAN'T WE? YES. COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN STILL VOTE. OKAY. UM, YOU CAN VERBALIZE YOUR VOTE SINCE YOU'RE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT WE'RE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO COUNT IT. HE, HIS VOTE WILL NOT COUNT, RIGHT? BECAUSE HE'S NOT ON CAMERA, BUT RIGHT. THOSE WHO WILL, I'M SORRY. YOU CAN VERBALIZE IT, BUT IT'LL COUNT TOWARDS IT, JUST SO WE KNOW WHERE YOU'RE STAND AT. UH, SO YOU, ANYONE WANT MAKE A MOTION THROUGH TO APPROVE THE REQUEST OF THIS INTERNAL FORCES MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST. SECOND. AYE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR HAND. AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE UNANIMOUS AS FAR AS THE QUORUM GOES AND MR. JACKSON VERBALIZE, BUT WE WILL TRY TO GET YOUR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY WORKED OUT. OKAY. [10. Approval of a recommendation letter to APD for the proactive release of redacted bodyworn camera (BWC) footage from ICE-related protests in June 2025.] ALL RIGHT. YES. UH, APPROVAL OF THE RECOMMENDATION LETTER TO A PD, UH, FOR PRO, A PROACTIVE RELEASE OF REDACTED BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE FROM AN ICE RELATED PROTEST IN JUNE, 2025. UH, HAVE Y'ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT LETTER CHRIS WROTE? I SAW THAT. JUST TO CLARIFY, WAS IT THE SAME RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM LAST MEETING, RIGHT? YEAH. CHRIS, SECOND DRAFT. SECOND DRAFT. I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE SECOND DRAFT. CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE IT HANDED? IF EVERYBODY, IF EVERYBODY DIDN'T READ IT, CAN WE, UM, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? THAT'S FINE. BY MA'AM, UNLESS CHRIS WANTS TO READ SECOND DRAFT. I, I HAVE A COPY HERE OF THE SECOND DRAFT SENT ON JULY 17TH TO CHAIR, VICE CHAIR CC'D RYAN. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT'S NOT INCLUDED INTO THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR US TO REVIEW. UM, RYAN, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT? YEAH, SO THIS DRAFT WAS, UH, SENT FOR THE LAST MEETING. I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FOR THIS CURRENT MEETING. IT WAS, UH, UPLOADED INTO THE SYSTEM FOR THE MEETING THAT WE HAD IN JULY. ALRIGHT. CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE A COPY? YEAH. FOR FUTURE REFERENCE? SHOULD I, UH, IF WE TAKE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING, SHOULD I, UH, EMAIL THAT TO YOU, BRIAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME BEFORE THE MEETING? IS THAT HOW THAT NEEDS TO WORK? IF YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, PUT THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA, YES, IT IS GONNA BE ONE OF YOUR AGENDA ITEMS. SEND THE DOCUMENTS OR THE BACKUP INFORMATION TO THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR AND THEY'LL SEND IT TO ME. ALL RIGHT. GOTCHA. ALRIGHT. SO I, I MOTION TO, UH, TABLE THIS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE DOCUMENTS DISSEMINATED TO US AND THEN WE CAN RULE ON IT, VOTE ON IT, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING. ALL RIGHT. REVIEW SEPTEMBER. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY ONE SECOND. UH, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR US TO DO THAT AS OUR LAWYER ONE? HE MADE A MOTION TO, HE MADE A MOTION TO TABLE IT. SO I'M JUST ASKING IF THERE'S A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. WE'VE GOT, UH, FOR NEXT MONTH, WE'RE ADDING, UH, PUTTING THE SELECT REACHING OUT TO DETERMINE INTEREST FOR THE 15 PEOPLE, UH, TO SEE IF THERE'S, UH, ANYBODY THAT'S ON THE EXISTING STANDBY LISTS. RYAN'S GONNA GET ME THAT AND WE'LL REACH OUT TO HIM. OR DO YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO, HOW DO YOU WANNA DO THAT? DO YOU WANT ME TO REACH OUT OR DO YOU WANT TO I COULD REACH OUT TO THE COM. I COULD REACH OUT TO THEM. OKAY. UH, AND I'LL COMMUNICATE WITH YOU WITH WHO RESPONDS. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, WE'LL JUST ADD IT TO THE DISCUSSION OR THE, UH, ACTION ITEM FOR, FOR THAT ONE TO SEE IF THEY, ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT TO VOTE OR DO WE WANT TO DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GONNA SELECT OUT OF THAT? YES. IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND SELECT THE, UH, ALTERNATE COMMISSIONERS WE COULD DO ON THE NEXT MEETING. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S ADD THAT TO ACTION TO THEM PENDING DISC OR REVIEW WITH RYAN. CAN I GET CLARIFICATION? YES, SIR. MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO WE'RE GONNA GO AND COM TALK TO EVERYBODY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY LIST, MAKE SURE WHICH, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE STILL AVAILABLE, ASSUMING THAT THERE'S STILL A PLURALITY OF THEM AVAILABLE. WILL THEN GO AND AND COM UH, DO THE SAME RANDOM SELECTION THAT WE DID LAST TIME AND PICK THE THE NUMBER WE NEED. ALRIGHT. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE OVERSIGHT ACT. THAT'S [01:10:01] WHAT I WANTED. YES. AND IF WE'RE STILL SHORT, THEN IT MAY HAVE TO OPEN UP TO, UH, MORE DELIBERATIONS. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO WE'LL ADD THE ACTION ITEM, UH, TO REVIEW THE PO THE POLICE POLICY, A PD POLICY FOR ANY AND ALL CASES INVOLVING, UH, UH, OFFICER INVOLVED ISSUES, COMPLAINTS. SO WE HAVE A VOICE, UM, AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. AND IN THE MEANTIME, KEVIN AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WERE GONNA SEND ME THEIR PROCESSES SO WE CAN REVIEW THAT TO YOU, CORRECT KEVIN? OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UH, UH, CAN I ASK TO ADD SOMETHING TO A FUTURE AGENDA? WHAT'S THAT? UH, THE, UH, MESSAGE BOARD MODEL GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 0 0 6, I BELIEVE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER ON OUR WEBSITE. IT'S A, BASICALLY IT, IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH TOMA ALLOWS US TO COMMUNICATE. WE CANNOT, UH, MAKE, WE CANNOT DO ACTION ITEMS, BUT WE CAN COMMUNICATE, UH, AMONGST EACH OTHER ON USING THE MESSAGE BOARD MODEL THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST HEARING. UH, AND IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH TOMA. THE ACTION ITEM WOULD BE LOOKING INTO, YOU KNOW, THE FEASIBILITY AND HOW WE COULD MAYBE IMPLEMENT THAT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AMONGST EACH OTHER. AND I WANNA ADD A COUPLE OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FROM OUR LAST MEETING THAT, JOHN, I DON'T THINK YOU GOT A CHANCE TO ADD INTO OUR MEETING THAT INCLUDED THE DISCUSSION OF THAT MESSAGE BOARD. I WANNA BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE COMMISSIONER RESOURCE AND BUDGET. SO RYAN, IF I COULD GET A COPY OF OUR BUDGET AND ALL THE FILES AND DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AS A COMMISSION. YES. COMMISSIONER, I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU. YES. UH, WE NEED THAT ON THE ACTION ITEM TOO. THANK YOU. AND THEN PART OF THE APPROVAL OF A REQUEST TO FILL ALL VACANT COMMISSIONER POSITIONS FROM THE EXISTING STANDBY LIST, WHICH I'M UNDERSTOOD THERE'S SIX POSITIONS OPEN. IS THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING BY NEXT MEETING YOU, WE WILL HAVE THESE NAMES AVAILABLE FOR US. I CAN SEND YOU THE NAMES, UH, NEXT WEEK IF YOU WANT. WHEN WE GO TO THE, WHEN I ON MONDAY, I CAN SEND YOU THE LIST OF THE REMAINING 15 THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, ON THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO BE TRAINED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS SO THAT WE'RE NOT CONSTANTLY VOTING ON GETTING THEM IN ONBOARDING, GETTING THEM TRAINED, UH, SO ADDING THAT TIMELINE TO THAT ORIGINAL FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEM AS WELL AS THE APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR ACCESS TO THE REQUIRED FILES OF THE ACTIVE CASES THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN BY OPO. THAT MEANS, AND CORRECT ME IF I WRONG, THERE WAS, UH, I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT DROPBOX NOT NO LONGER BEING USED. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT WE TRANSFER THE FILES WE USED, YES, WE USED DROPBOX, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AN INTERNAL FILE SYSTEM. UM, SO THAT WAY WE COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND JUST SHARE A INTERNAL DRIVE WITH THE UH, CPRC. GOT IT. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL EXPECT TO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR US AS WE ARE REQUESTING ACCESS FOR NEXT MONTH OR, WE'LL, I HAVE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER ACTION TO REQUEST FOR THIS SYSTEM TO BE IN PLACE SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FINALLY REQUEST ACCESS TO THE FILES? NO, WE'RE WORKING ON THIS SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. YEAH. YEAH. I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE, UH, AN AUTOMATIC, UH, ACCESS TO ALL CASES THAT ARE LIKE THIS. SO IF I CAN 46, I'D LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THEM SO WE CAN START DOING OUR, IF I CAN CLARIFY THE CONVERSATION, IF IT'S AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR ACTIVE CASE FILES. BUT I'M SAYING THOSE THAT WERE THE, THE, THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAVE ALREADY COMPLETED THEIRS AND THEY'RE WAITING ON US TO HELP THEM, THAT'S WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, COMMUNICATION, THAT'S IN THE BRIEFING PERIOD. CORRECT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WANT. I WANT ACCESS TO EVERYTHING THAT, THAT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH IA SO WE CAN START REVIEWING THOSE CASES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH AND ADDING 'EM TO A, UH, FOR ACTION ITEMS TO VOTE ON. 'CAUSE THAT'S, IT SLOWS EVERYTHING DOWN. AND COMMISSIONER FRANCO, CAN I JUST CLARIFY THE UH, ACTION ITEM FOR NEXT WEEK REGARDING THE VACANT POSITIONS. AND SO WE ARE GONNA BE REACHING OUT TO THE REMAINING POOL THAT WE HAVE. ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT WE TAKE THE ACTION TO SELECT THOSE MEMBERS IN THE NEXT MEETING? I'D SAY SELECT THEM BEFORE THAT. I, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, SO ONCE WE, ONCE WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE STILL INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE COMMISSION, ARE YOU WANTING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN THE NEXT MEETING? YES. I'M REQUESTING THESE INDIVIDUALS ALREADY TO BE IDENTIFIED AND ALREADY IN COMMUNICATION SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM ONBOARDING. SO NEXT MEETING MY ACTION ITEM WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE ACTION ITEM TO BE ONBOARDED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. SO THEY'RE FULLY ABLE TO SERVE. AND AGAIN, JUST FOR PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY. SO WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE NEXT MONTH WAITING FOR THESE NAMES, WAITING TO GET ONBOARDED, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO I DO WANNA GET THIS MOVING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO I WOULD LIKE THAT TIME, THE SELECTION TO HAPPEN ON NEXT, IN THE NEXT MEETING. [01:15:01] YES, PLEASE. YEAH. SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU BLINDLY PICK SIX OFF OF THAT LIST OF 15, IF THEY'RE STILL AVAILABLE AND INTERESTED, THAT'S FINE BY ME AS LONG AS IT'S, UH, ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY ELSE. 'CAUSE AS TERRY FLOYD SAID, I, WE, I DON'T WANNA BE SELECTING IT, BUT IF THEY'RE ON THE LIST AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE, THEY'VE ALREADY MADE THAT SHORT STANDBY LIST, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OF COURSE, IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO OPEN UP THE PROCESS ALL OVER THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THAT'S WHY WE WANNA DO IT LIKE THIS. SO I THINK IT'S REASONABLE FOR, TO TRY TO GET THE TRAINING DONE WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. SO THEY'RE CAUGHT UP AND, AND, AND JUST TO, AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF MANAGE EXPECTATIONS, WE ARE WORKING WITH SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, UH, IN TERMS OF THE TRAINING. AND SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY HAVING TO, UM, SCHEDULE THOSE BASED ON THEIR AVAILABILITY. RIGHT. AND MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON GETTING THE CGI AND THE BACKGROUND CHECKS DONE AT THE SAME TIME. SO THEY'RE CATCHING UP TO US WITH THAT. AND THEN ALL THE OTHER STUFF THEY, THEY CAN WORK ON CONCURRENTLY WHILE WE'RE STILL MEETING. SO WE'RE NOT DELAYED, DELAYED, DELAYED. DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK? AGAIN? WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE, UH, EXPEDITING IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YEAH, BECAUSE IN TERMS OF THE TRAINING, YEAH, I THINK WE ALL FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN SPOON FED STUFF AND I THINK WE'RE ALL RARING TO GO. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, SO, RIGHT. UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION. UM, BEST THING FOR THAT TYPE OF COMPENSATION IS THEY DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THEN THEY BACK BRIEF US ON, OKAY, WE SELECTED, YOU GOT YOUR PEOPLE, THIS IS THE EXPECTED TIMEFRAME. UM, IT MAY BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION BY THEN, UM, ON, AND IT MAY TAKE IT, WE CAN'T GET IT, MAYBE IT MAY NOT BE TWO MONTHS, IT MAY BE FOUR MONTHS, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN GET A GOOD ASSESSMENT ON WHEN WE'LL HAVE MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'LL KNOW. BUT WE CAN'T TELL THEM, HEY, SCHEDULE ALL THESE PEOPLE AND THEY NEED TO DO ALL THEIR TRAININGS BACK TO BACK. BUT NUMBER ONE, LIKE SHE SAID, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, BUT NUMBER TWO, PEOPLE HAVE LIVES AND EVERYBODY CAN'T JUST TAKE OFF WORK FOR TWO, THREE WEEKS STRAIGHT TO JUST DO CPRC STUFF. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC WITH OUR EXPECTATIONS TOO. UM, SO I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THEY CAN GIVE US IS SAY THAT THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THIS IS WHAT THEIR TIMELINE IS LOOKING LIKE RIGHT NOW. AND JUST KEEP GIVING US BACK BRIEFS BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE, ASK THEM TO DO THINGS THAT AREN'T IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY BECAUSE THEY DON'T CONTROL THE TRAINING OF OTHER, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE, OR WHO HAS TO COME IN. 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THAT ONE LADY THAT WE HAD ONLINE THAT GAVE US, UH, THE CPR, LIKE THE OTHER, UM, HOW THOSE OTHER COMMISSIONS DO THEIR WORK AND ALL THAT STUFF. THAT WAS A LIKE A COUPLE DAY PROCESS. UM, AND SHE HAS TO COORDINATE THAT TOO. AND JUST FOR AWARENESS, UM, MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE TO COMPLETE THE TRAINING BEFORE THEY CAN START THEIR NO, THEIR DUTIES. THAT WHY I THAT JUST FOR AWARENESS. YEAH. I WANT TO GOOD TO KNOW. ALSO, I WANT TO ADD, UM, GO AHEAD. I LIKE THAT. ALSO ADD IN THE FUTURE FOR US TO, UH, DRAFT, UH, WHAT WE'LL CALL A RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR THE CPRC. I KNOW, UH, SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS COMPLAINED ABOUT THE PROCESS AND SO FORTH AND HOW TO DO THIS AND MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IS IT, WHEN IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO, TO TO, TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER. AND SO IF WE, I WILL GIVE AN AS EXAMPLE. IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT AUSTIN'S PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION, THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE THAT. AND I'M GONNA USE THAT AS A MODEL AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE START THINKING ABOUT PUTTING ONE IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, APPARENTLY A WASTE OF TIME AND FRUSTRATION THAT MAY BE SOLVED IF IT'S ALL DOCUMENTED. SO WE CALL IT RULES AND PROCEDURES OF THE CPRC. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ADD A COUPLE ITEMS. I DON'T THINK IT MADE IT ON THE LAST LIST. UM, BUT I STILL NEED IT, AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW. AND WE HAD AGREED THAT THAT WOULD BE ON THE UPCOMING OF THIS MEETING, BUT IT DIDN'T. SO LIKE I, LIKE WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE BUDGET. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. SO A FULL HOLISTIC BRIEFING ON EVERYTHING AND ALL THE RESOURCES THAT WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO. AND I'M GLAD THAT MR. GREEN BROUGHT UP THE PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING. 'CAUSE I HAVE OBSERVED AND HEARD THAT THEY'RE A REALLY GOOD TEAM. AND, UM, I KNOW LAURA HAS SOME CONTACTS AND IF YOU DON'T MIND IT, YOU COULD ALLOW THEM TO REVIEW OUR MEETING AND THEN COME IN AND GIVE US SOME CRITIQUE AND FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN BE, [01:20:01] UM, BETTER AND ALLOW THEM TO PRESENT AT THE UPCOMING MEETING. I, I THINK IT WOULD HELP US DO OUR WORK A LOT BETTER ALSO BECAUSE I, I DO LIKE THE WAY THAT THEY OPERATE. UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST, UM, THING. OH, AND UNDERSTANDING, 'CAUSE I ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION TOO, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND THEN US MEMBERS AS FAR AS HOW THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO PROCESS OR FLOW OR HOW DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE I'M GETTING DIFFERENT INFORMATION AND I'M HEARING THAT MEETINGS ARE HAPPENING THAT'S NOT BEING READ TO THE FULL COMMITTEE. AND I WANT MORE UNDERSTANDING ON ALL OF THAT. IF SOMEONE'S HAVING A MEETING WITH WHETHER IT'S A PD OR OPR AND WE'RE NOT KNOWING ABOUT IT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE OF THE CHAIR, UM, IF THAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO WE NEED TO BE BROUGHT INTO THAT. AND SO I HAD THAT AS A ITEM LAST MEETING. I GUESS I DIDN'T MAKE IT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'M PUTTING IT BACK. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT BACK ON THERE BECAUSE I I DEFINITELY NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT. WHAT IS IT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN DEF THE DUE DILIGENCE OF THE CHAIR? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU'RE SAYING THAT I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT POLICY, ALL THE DIFFERENT NO MEETINGS. ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'M SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU HAVE MEETINGS WITH OTHER AGENCIES OUTSIDE OF OUR PRESENCE AS A COMMITTEE, THAT YOU ARE NOT COMING BACK AND TELLING US WHAT YOU DISCUSSED. SO I HAVE, I'VE BEEN TO THE ONE TODAY THAT WAS A CAN YOU ELABORATE? YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'VE NOT BEEN TO ANY OTHER THAN THIS IS TODAY'S TO ME, I WAS INFORMED THAT YOU HAD MEETINGS WITH, UM, AND IF I'M MISINFORMED THEN I'LL TAKE THAT. BUT I WAS INFORMED THAT YOU HAD MEETINGS WITH OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THIS BODY, BUT WITHIN INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE AGENCIES. BUT YOU ARE NOT COMING BACK AND BRINGING IT TO US. IF I'M WRONG, THEN I'LL BE WRONG, BUT I THINK MY INFORMATION WAS RELIABLE ENOUGH THAT I'M BRINGING IT UP. YEAH. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF, IF IT'S HAPPENING, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING. YOU HAVE MY APOLOGY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST GONNA ASSUME YOU'RE MISINFORMED. UH, OKAY. 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE TIME TO ATTEND OTHER MEETINGS OTHER THAN MY OWN WORK STUFF. UH, TAKE THAT. WELL. SO, UH, NOW THAT WE HAVE A LIST FOR ACTION ITEMS FOR NEXT MEETING, I THINK I'VE GOT FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS FOR ACTION ITEMS AND A COUPLE THINGS FOR DISCUSSION FOR NEXT, NEXT MONTH. AND WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR EMAILS FROM RYAN AND GAIL. UM, CAN WE ADJOURN? ALL RIGHT. UH, I THINK WE'LL ADJOURN NOW. CITY OF AUSTIN IS COMMITTED TO THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT. REASONABLE MODIFICATIONS AND EQUAL ACCESS TO COMMUNICATIONS WILL BE PROVIDED UPON REQUEST. MEETING LOCATIONS ARE PLANNED WITH WHEELCHAIR ACCESS. IF REQUIRING SIGN LANGUAGE, INTERPRETERS ARE ALTERNATIVE FORMATS, PLEASE GIVE NOTICE TO AT LEAST TWO DAYS, FOUR, EIGHT HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING DATE. FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, PLEASE CONTACT RYAN ALVAREZ AT THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT AT 5 1 2 9 7 4 9 0 9 0. UH, FOR T TWO Y USERS. YOU CAN ROUTE THROUGH RELAY, TEXAS 7 1 1. AND WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. AND IT IS, UH, 4 28. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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