* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD AFTERNOON. [CALL TO ORDER] I'D LIKE TO CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE TO ORDER ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2025 AT 2 0 3. UH, CAN WE PLEASE, UH, CALL THE ORDER, I MEAN, CALL THE ROLL. UH, DO YOU GARY MERRI? PRESENT NICOLE CONLEY PRESENT. DEWEY SMITH. LUKE METZKER. FRANCIS JORDAN. PRESENT ANNA RE PRESENT. ABA WHITE RACHEL STONE. KENNETH STANLEY. PRESENT BENJAMIN EBBY. PRESENT. PRESENT. ROBERT DELP. NO. LUBO. TINA CANNON. ROBERT LER. JEREMIAH HENDRICKS. PRESENT. DONALD JACKSON PRESENT. KATRINA MILLER. PRESENT. JC DWYER. DAVID SULLIVAN. HERE. HAYDEN WALKER. PRESENT. MARY HAGER. PRESENT. CHARLES CURRY HERE. OKAY. UH, [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL] WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. WE HAVE CULLEN, MT. MCM AND ENOVIA JOSEPH AS OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS TODAY. HI. I WAS IN ATTENDEE MODE, BUT I'M HERE. WHITE PRESENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON TASK FORCE. UH, MY NAME IS CULLEN MCM. UM, I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE TCEQ ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, BUT I'M NOT HERE ON THAT BUSINESS. I'M, I'M REPRESENTING AUSTIN RIDGE RIDERS MOUNTAIN BIKE CLUB. OVER 600 PAID MEMBERS SINCE 1987. WE'RE THE LARGEST, UH, NONPROFIT ADVOCACY OFF-ROAD CYCLING GROUP IN AUSTIN. UM, I'M ALSO, UH, REPRESENTING AUSTIN OUTSIDE AS THE TRAILS AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE CHAIR. UM, ALSO ON THE BOARD OF BIKE TEXAS AND ON THE BOARD OF DAVID PHILLIPS FOUNDATION, UM, WHICH DOES ATHLETICS FOR UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES AND SCHOLARSHIPS, UH, TO JOIN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ATHLETICS, INCLUDING CYCLING. UM, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT, UH, PARKS AND RECREATIONS. UH, UH, SUGGESTED, UH, EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING BOND FUNDING FOR, PARTICULARLY THE PROGRAMMATIC DEVELOPMENT OF PARKS. UM, ESPECIALLY THE, THE BIG EAST SIDE PARKS. UM, BOM DISTRICT PARK CURRENTLY DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A PARK. IT LOOKS LIKE POST-INDUSTRIAL, UH, ROCK CRUSHING FACILITY TYPE PLACE ON THE BANKS OF THE COLORADO RIVER EAST, IMMEDIATELY EAST OF I, UH, OF 180 3. IF YOU'RE DRIVING FROM THE AIRPORT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN EYESORE RIGHT NOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WHEN A ISD IS OUT OF OUT OF SCHOOL, UH, MY KIDS CAN GO TO A BIKE CAMP THAT'S IN PEACE PARK. THERE'S NOT A CORRESPONDING FACILITY ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF TOWN. UM, THEY DO A GREAT CAMP BY AUSTIN YOUTH FITNESS, UH, RIDING THE SHOAL CREEK TRAIL, JUST RIDING THE TRAIL THAT'S IN THE PARK, SOMETIMES RIDING FROM PS DOWN TO BUTLER, EVEN AT SIX, SEVEN YEARS OLD. AND THAT TYPE OF PROGRAMMING, UM, IS BADLY NEEDED IN EAST AUSTIN. IT HAS BEEN FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. AND FUNDING BOLAND DISTRICT PARK WOULD BE A GREAT STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. I NOTICED THAT PARKS AND REC PUT DOWN, UH, 9 MILLION FOR THEIR ASK. UH, THE VISION PLAN SAID THAT 14 MILLION WAS NEEDED, UH, FOR THE FIRST PHASE. SO , I'D LIKE TO ASK PARKS AND REC TO RAISE THEIR ASK TO 14. UM, SIMILARLY, NORTHEAST DAWSON, WALTER E OR WALTER E. LONG, IT'S BEEN MASTER PLAN SEVERAL TIMES I UNDERSTAND OVER DECADES. UM, BUT IT'S STILL A FENCED OFF PARK THAT COSTS MONEY TO GET INTO THE MAIN PEOPLE THAT USE IT, UM, ARE FISHERMEN, WHICH IS GREAT. UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THERE. AND PUTTING IN NATURAL TRAILS THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY CAN USE TO RIDE BIKES AND HIKE WOULD ACTUALLY BE A VERY LOW COST AND BIG BENEFIT. UH, EVEN MORE SO THAN ALL THE OTHER CRAZY THINGS IN THE VISION PLAN. BUT JUST YOUR BASIC NATURE PATH WOULD BE A FANTASTIC FIRST STEP. SO [00:05:01] I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BOND FUNDING, UH, TO DEVELOP THOSE PARKS IN EAST. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS. I'M ENOVIA JOSEPH, THE STAFF MEMBER'S. JUST TRYING TO PULL UP A SLIDE OR TWO. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED AT CAPITAL METRO TODAY. I JUST WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY APPROVING A RESOLUTION AS WE SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO IMPROVE SLAUGHTER LANE AND THE AREA THAT IS IN DELL VALLEY, WHILE OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS AT COMMUNITY FIRST VILLAGE WAIT 60 MINUTES FOR THE BUS, THE BUS GETS CUT. SO THEY'RE WAITING TWO HOURS IN THEIR WHEELCHAIRS. AND THE PEOPLE IN NORTHEAST AUSTIN, AS A GENTLEMAN JUST SPOKE OF IT'S A 30 MINUTE TRANSFER TO THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE ON JUNE 3RD, 2018, CAPITAL METRO CHANGED 52 ROUTES AND ACTUALLY ELIMINATED EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY. NEXT SLIDE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT EVEN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS INEQUITABLE. AND SO AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS, I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT EVEN WHEN THE FUNDING COMES TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THEIR DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES CONTINUE. THIS IS RUNDBERG KELMAR AREA, THIS IS THE HEB. THERE'S NOT EVEN A SCREEN. SO WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS AND YOU GET WET. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE ACTUAL NETWORK. YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, IN 2016 THEY INVESTED ABOUT $9.9 MILLION IN THE SOUTHWEST CENTRAL NETWORK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAY SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S NO CONNECTIVITY YET. WHEN CAPITAL METRO BRIEFS THE PUBLIC, THEY ACTUALLY BOAST ABOUT INCREASING RIDERSHIP BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO DOUBLE AND TRIPLE COUNT MINORITIES THAT LIVE NORTH OF US, 180 3 NORTHEAST SPECIFICALLY. BUT AS CAITLYN DALTON, WHO WAS A PLANNER AT THE CAPITOL METRO AND NOW IS AT THE CITY, SAID, UH, THIS IS GUARANTEED RIDERSHIP. NEXT SLIDE. I JUST WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE MONEY, THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING FOR JANUARY, 2026. SO AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS, I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE DEARTH OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE FATALITIES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THAT AREA. THEY ARE INCREASING THE FREQUENCY IN THE DE VALLEY AND SLAUGHTER LANE AREA, NEGLECTING NORTHEAST AGAIN. NEXT SLIDE. AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A SOLUTION TO THE UNHOUSED. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ASKED FOR $100.45 MILLION, BUT THE DRIVERS ARE INSENSITIVE. AND THIS IS WHAT TOO MANY BAGS OR TOO MUCH STUFF. LOOKS LIKE THE AIRPORT 1 0 1 SHUTTLE USED TO HAVE SHELLS OR RACKS FOR PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR, UH, ACTUAL BELONGINGS OR THEIR SUITCASES. SO THAT IS A SOLUTION. IF THOSE ARE OUTDATED, THEN I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO FUND, UH, SOME TYPE OF VEHICLES, SPECIFICALLY BUSES, AND THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF SHUTTLE SERVICE. I'M NOT SURE IF $100.45 MILLION TO MAINTAIN A SEGREGATED CITY IS A, A GOOD INVESTMENT. BUT I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT NO ONE WILL REACH SELF-SUFFICIENCY IF THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THEIR PERSONAL BELONGINGS. AND SO THESE ARE JUST SLIDES TO HELP YOU SEE THE REALITY OF WHAT GOES ON. AND I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE AS WELL THAT YOUR PROCESS LACKS TRANSPARENCY. THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACTUALLY KNOW HOW YOU DIFFER SPECIFICALLY FROM BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND POST IT ONLINE. OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM [1. Approval of the minutes of the regular meeting of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force (BEATF) on August 25, 2025.] ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE 2026 BOARD BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE ON AUGUST 25TH, 2025. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. MOVED. SECOND. I'LL SECOND ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES? RAISE YOUR HAND. KEEP 'EM UP FOR NICOLE, PLEASE. ANY OBJECTIONS? MOVING MINUTES ARE APPROVED. OKAY, MOVING ON TO [2. Discussion and action to amend the 2025 BEATF Meeting Schedule. ] ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION AND ACTION. TO AMEND THE 2025 BTF MEETING SCHEDULE. THIS SHOULD BE IN YOUR BACKUP. UM, IT WAS DISTRIBUTED ON FRIDAY AND WHAT WE DID, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, BUT WE DIDN'T TAKE A FORMAL VOTE, SO I'M GONNA BE ASKING FOR THAT. BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE MOVED UP ONE WEEK, THE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER MEETING SO THAT THEY DON'T FALL ON THE WEEKS OF THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS. AND SO, UM, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT MEETING SCHEDULE CHANGE. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE UPDATED [00:10:01] MEETING TIMES FOR NO, UH, THE 2025 SCHEDULE. I SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT CHANGE? ALL IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THOSE DATES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? CAN'T SEE THE ONLINE PEOPLE. OH, JUST MAKING SURE. IS EVERYBODY GOOD ONLINE? OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. SCHEDULE IN NOVEMBER. HONOR, I WAS SORRY, GO AHEAD. VOTING FOR, SORRY IF I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SEE ME. THANKS. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'VE APPROVED THE CHANGES TO THE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, UH, MEETING DATES, TIMES WILL STAY THE SAME LOCATION'S, THE SAME ITEM [3. Discussion and action to approve the 2026 BEATF Meeting Schedule.] NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION AND ACTION TO APPROVE THE 2026 BTIF MEETING SCHEDULE. ALSO IN YOUR PACKET THERE WERE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH, THIS UM, MOVE TO ADD A, UH, SECOND MEETING EACH MONTH TO PROVIDE ENOUGH, UH, TIME FOR US TO GET THROUGH OUR WORK. UM, IF AT ANY POINT WE FIND WE DON'T NEED THOSE, WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST. BUT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW ARE ADDING OR OR TWO MEETINGS IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL AND MAY WITH THE FINAL MEETING ON MAY THE 18TH. UM, THE MEETING TIMES, THIS LOOKS ACTUALLY LIKE AN OLD SCHEDULE THE MEETING TIMES FOR THE NEW, LIKE THE, UM, I GUESS ALL MEETING TIMES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THE, UH, SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH FOR THE NEW MEETINGS WOULD TAKE PLACE AFTER WORKING HOURS, HOPEFULLY FIVE TO SEVEN. WE CAN'T ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE TIME FOR THAT MEETING. WE CAN ONLY VOTE ON THE DATES FOR NOW. AND THEN COME JANUARY, CITY STAFF WILL LET US KNOW WHEN WE MIGHT BE AVAILABLE OR WHAT ROOMS MIGHT BE AVAILABLE ON THOSE DATES. AND WE CAN THEN, YOU KNOW, MEET AGAIN TO APPROVE THAT. I HOPE, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY WHEN WE'RE SCHEDULED TO MEET. OKAY. UM, OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE SCHEDULE FOR 2026. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SCHEDULE FOR 2026. I'LL SECOND. I SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? NO COMMENTS. DISCUSSION? OH YES. SORRY. YOU SAID WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE WE CAN'T CHANGE THE TIME. IS THAT WHAT YOU SO WE WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THE FOURTH MONDAY, TWO TO FOUR WILL BE AVAILABLE TO US. IT'S THE QUESTION OF THE NEW GEN, THE NEW EARLIER, WHETHER WE, WHAT TIME WE CAN'T VOTE ON THE TIME. WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT TIME OUR, WHAT PREFERENCES WE'D HAVE. THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TALK ABOUT LIKE, DO WE, AND MY PROPOSAL AND FRANCIS' PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE HAVE A MEETING THAT'S AFTER WORKING HOURS SO PEOPLE CAN MORE EASILY ATTEND. YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY YES, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT? WELL, I'M HAP NO, WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT IT. WE JUST CAN'T VOTE ON THE TIME PER SE 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AVAILABILITY AND WE ULTIMATELY NEED A LOCATION, WHICH WE CAN'T UNTIL LATER UNTIL, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT MONDAYS IN THIS ROOM ARE PRETTY GOOD, LIKE OUR CHANCES ARE HIGH FOR, FOR THAT WORKING OUT. SO, UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON TIME OF THE, SO AGAIN, A MONDAY, BUT WE WOULD DO IT AFTER WORK. WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE TO S STAFF TO FOCUS ON AFTER FIVE MEAN AS WE GET CLOSER TO IT? YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY KEEP THAT PRE BEING OUR, OUR TARGET AND OUR PREFERENCE FOR SURE WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. SO FIVE WORK FOR MOSTLY EVERYONE. I GOT A LOT OF NODS, . I WOULD JUST SUGGEST IF THE IDEA IS TO MAKE IT WHERE PEOPLE THAT WORK REGULAR DAYS COULD ATTEND IS TO MAKE IT PAST FIVE O'CLOCK SO PEOPLE CAN GET HERE. OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONE QUESTION AS WELL. AGREED. I THINK FIVE IS DIFFICULT IF PEOPLE WORK TILL FIVE. SO MAYBE SIX TO EIGHT OR FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT TOPIC? UH, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, AND I DON'T MEAN TO START, DOES, DOES, DO WE WANT THE MEETINGS HERE LIKE AT SNOW HALL? I'M JUST CURIOUS, DOES EVERYONE AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH, THAT WAS ALSO WHAT I WAS GONNA THROW OUT. I THINK IF THERE IS AVAILABILITY OR BETTER AVAILABILITY LIKE AT PDC OR SOMETHING, I, I WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO, UM, AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION. WELL, IF IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. I, I ONLY KNOW OF LIKE, I AGREE TWO AND I DON'T KNOW THEM. YEAH. AND ALSO I, IT'D BE GREAT TO SORT OF, UM, HAVE SOME OF THESE AS SOME OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY CONTEMPLATING. I KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS BEEN A PARTNER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, [00:15:01] I KNOW THAT FAMILIES ARE IN SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SCHOOL COMMUNITIES IN EVERY PLACE ACROSS THE CITY. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT PLANNING PARTNERS HISTORICALLY AND WE COULD CERTAINLY, I'M SURE REACH OUT TO THEIR COMMUNICATION STAFF ABOUT HAVING SOME EVENING MEETINGS. I WOULD SAY STRATEGICALLY PLACED AROUND THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, IN VARIOUS AREAS, NORTHEAST OR SOUTHEAST OR CENTRAL. IT'D BE GREAT TO BE IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATING WHERE THE FAMILIES ARE. SO I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO HAVING SOME OF THESE MEETINGS IN THE PLACES WHERE WE'RE CONTEMPLATING PLACING SERVICES AND MEETING THE FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY ARE. SO IT'D BE GREAT IF ONE CONSIDERING A TIME SHIFT TO ALLOW THOSE THAT WORK THAT GET OFF AT FIVE, BUT ALSO BE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATING AFFECTING ACROSS THE CITY. THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS. YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA. I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE FOR, FOR A TXN. THE, WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IS, UM, THE AUSTIN ENERGY LOCATION AND THE PD DC. AND YOU SAY THAT A TX OR A X FOR FOR BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED YES MA'AM TO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. YES MA'AM. FOR OUR MEETINGS. YES. SO THOSE TWO LOCATIONS, UM, AND I WOULD HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THEIR SCHEDULING COORDINATORS TO SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE. AUSTIN ENERGY AND PDC PC. DOES AUSTIN ENERGY HAVE PARKING, FREE PARKING? I KNOW PDC NO LONGER REALLY HAS FREE PARKING. I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T ALSO PDC I'M, MY EXPERIENCE AT LEAST IS THAT THEY'RE VERY HAPPY TO VALIDATE AND CAN, CAN DO VALIDATION. SAME AS CITY HALL. I MEAN TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT FREE PARKING HERE, BUT PRACTICALLY IT IS PD C'S THE PLA. OH, SORRY, I'M NOT PD C'S THE BUILDING THAT'S BY A CC IN, JUST FOR THOSE WHO DON'T YES, CAN CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? SO WE CANNOT HAVE IT AT SCHOOL. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ARE HAVE A TX CAPABILITY, A TXN CAPABILITIES. THE BROADCASTING. YES, MA'AM. SO THOSE TWO LOCATIONS WOULD BE AUSTIN ENERGY AND THEN THE PD. SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO LOCATIONS THAT WE, OTHER THAN HERE HAVE OTHER THAN HERE THE EVENING MEETING. SO NOT AT A SORT OF A LIBRARY OR SCHOOL LOCATION? NO MA'AM. OR ANY OTHER FA PUBLIC FACILITY. OKAY, GREAT. YES MA'AM. OKAY. UM, IF I CAN JUST ADD, I, I DEFINITELY AM SUPPORTIVE OF GOING OUT, UM, TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. I THINK THAT MAYBE THE LIKE TOWN HALLS OR LISTENING SESSIONS MAYBE ARE A BETTER FIT FOR THAT. AND UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THEIR RESTRICTIONS FOR THIS GROUP, I PERSONALLY, UH, IT IS NOT AN ATTRACTIVE OPTION TO GO, UH, NORTH OF THAT, UH, PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT OFFICE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS COMING FROM, BUT I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT AS MAYBE A WAY TO GET, GET TWO PEOPLE. I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THESE MEETINGS. I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE PRIMARILY LISTENING AND ALSO GIVING INFORMATION. SO IF I MAY ADD, UM, THIS IS NOT A, THESE ARE NOT GOOD ALTERNATIVES FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE SOUTH OF THE RIVER OR WORK SOUTH OF THE RIVER. EVERYTHING FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IS AVAILABLE ONLY NORTH OF THE RIVER. I WOULD ENCOURAGE, THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND CREATE A SOLUTION FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE SOUTH OF THE RIVER. WE'RE LEAVING OUT A HUGE POPULATION. SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING. UM, SO YEAH. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THIS IS FOR THE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS THAT WE WOULD TAKE UP, UM, AS A BODY IN 2026, CORRECT? RIGHT. NOT CURRENT THINKING IS THAT WE WOULD KEEP OUR MEN FOURTH MONDAY MEETINGS HERE FOR TWO TO FOUR HERE. AND THESE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WOULD BE IN A OTHER LOCATIONS ON A, POTENTIALLY ON A MONDAY AT A DIFFERENT TIME. MONDAY AT A DIFFERENT TIME. DIFFERENT LOCATION POTENTIALLY. I THINK WE HAVE SOME TIME BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY TO, TO, TO TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND SEE IF THERE ARE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN, UM, COME UP WITH A, A SOUTH OF THE RIVER LOCATION? I, I, I I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY VALUABLE. OBVIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT WE HAVE SOME TIME TO WORK ON IT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS PROPOSAL? RIGHT. JUST TO REMIND YOU, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST AGREEING RIGHT NOW AND WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND THAT. WE WILL PLAN TO MEET AT THESE ADDITIONAL DATES IN 2026. OKAY. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE 2026 MEETING SCHEDULE. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY, SO GARY, UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. THANK YOU. [00:20:03] OKAY, ITEM NUMBER [4. Presentation from the BEATF Community Engagement Working Group on the BEATF led listening sessions plan proposal, discussion, and possible action to approve the plan.] FOUR, PRESENTATION FROM THE BTF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WORKING GROUP ON THE BTF LED LISTENING SESSIONS PLAN PROPOSAL DISCUSSION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN. ALRIGHT, SO WHILE THEY'RE PULLING UP THE SLIDES, UM, I WANNA, I JUST MADE SOME SLIDES TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHAT WE'RE THINKING, BUT ONE THING I FORGOT TO ADD TO THE SLIDES ARE THE POTENTIAL DATES THE CITY STAFF HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GO AHEAD AND TRY TO GET SOME DATES SOLIDIFIED SO WE CAN GET IT ON PEOPLE'S CALENDARS. AND JUST AS A BACKUP, REMEMBER WE AGREED IN THE FALL, UM, WE'RE DOING BTEF LED LISTING SESSIONS AS IN LIKE WE ARE GOING TO BE LEADING THEM. AND THEN THE CITY STAFF LED THAT ARE GONNA BE AFTER WE'VE DONE OUR WORKING GROUP WORK. WE'VE DONE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THE CITY STAFF AND, UM, THE WORKING GROUPS HAVE REALLY PRIORITIZED AND THOUGHT ABOUT THINGS. WE'LL HAVE THAT OUTREACH TO KIND OF GET THE FEEDBACK ABOUT KIND OF LIKE OUR DETERMINATIONS. THOSE WILL STILL BE IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND THOSE WILL BE THE FULL STAFF LED MEETINGS. SOME OF THE DESIRE OF THESE LISTING SESSIONS WAS TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE, UM, REACHING POPULATIONS THAT WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HEAR FROM AND JUST GOING TO AREAS. SO RIGHT NOW THE IN-PERSON, UM, MEETINGS ARE ON, NO, THIS IS A SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 15TH AT THE GUS GARCIA RECREATION CENTER, AND THAT WAS TO TARGET THE NORTHEAST PART OF AUSTIN. AND THEN OUR SECOND IN-PERSON DATE IS WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH AT THE RUDY MENDEZ RECREATION CENTER, WHICH IS SOUTHEAST. AND WE WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO HAVE OUR, UH, VIRTUAL ON THE DAY THAT WE'VE MOVED OUR B TIFF MEETING. SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO A ALTERNATE, UH, UH, VIRTUAL MEETING. IT MIGHT BE THE WEEK BEFORE, UM, ON, UH, THAT NOVEMBER 11TH, 10TH OR 11TH. I THINK VETERANS DAY IS THE 11TH. SO I THINK I'M STILL WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF TO GET THAT DATE SOLIDIFIED. UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE'D HAVE TWO IN-PERSON MEETINGS, ONE NORTH, ONE SOUTHEAST, AND THEN HAVE A VIRTUAL ONE. AND I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING OF. UM, SO NEXT SLIDE. I JUST, UH, JUST REAL QUICK. I WANTED US TO JUST, I THINK THESE SLIDES ARE REALLY ABOUT WHAT I, WHAT THE GROUP WAS THINKING. I SENT THIS TO THE WORKING GROUPS. THESE ARE NOT ALL MY IDEAS, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF THE PURPOSE AND THE GOALS AND ENGAGEMENT APPROACH, EVERYONE'S OPINION MATTERS. SO SAY IT NOW OR IF YOU WANNA SEND IT AFTERWARDS, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. UM, AND I THINK THE ASK OF AFTER THIS MEETING IS THAT THERE ARE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS WHO WANNA DO OR HAVE SOME, A ROLE IN THESE MEETINGS. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TIME FOR. UM, ALSO THE REASON WHY WE'RE NOT HAVING THESE MEETINGS IN OCTOBER IS BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, TRYING TO HAVE THIS AFTER THE VOTE. UM, WE DON'T REALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT TAXES AND INCREASES AT OUR MEETINGS. AND SO THAT IS WHY THESE MEETINGS ARE IN NOVEMBER. 'CAUSE WE'RE WORRIED THAT PEOPLE WILL BRING THAT UP IF WE HAVE THE MEETINGS IN OCTOBER. SO NEXT SLIDE. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I, I'LL DO IT AT THE END. OKAY. UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF OF THESE LISTING SESSIONS IS TO CREATE MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS TO SHARE PRIORITIES, ENSURE TRANSPARENCY IN THE BOND PROCESS, AND THEN BUILD TRUST BETWEEN THE BT AND THE COMMUNITY AND GATHER ACTIONABLE INPUT TO GUIDE RECOMMENDATIONS. NEXT SLIDE. UM, SORRY, I HAVE TO, I SHOULD JUST READ UP HERE. OH, . UM, LISTEN TO, OUR GOALS ARE TO LISTEN TO DIVERSE UH, VOICES, ESPECIALLY UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS, INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE BOND PRESS PROCESS AND PROJECT LIST. AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS OUR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN DURING THE DAY BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR. UM, REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE BOND PRO PROCESS. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT UH, COUNCIL OFFICES HAVE BEEN REALLY BUSY WITH BUDGET TOO. SO I DO THINK THAT WE REALLY SHOULD REALLY BE ENCOURAGING OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REALLY DIG IN AND TRY TO GET THEIR STAKEHOLDERS THERE AS WELL. UM, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL EARLY ENOUGH IN THE PROCESS TO HELP STAKEHOLDERS, UM, HELP SHAPE PRIORITIES. AND THEN WE WANNA DOCUMENT THE FEEDBACK, UM, FOR B TIFF DECISION MAKING. UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW, I KIND OF DO THIS IN MY DAY JOB AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SHOW IF WE ARE ABLE TO USE FEEDBACK TO REALLY SHAPE WHAT WE DO, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US AS A BODY TO KIND OF SHOW THAT, UM, WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN'T MAKE MIRACLES HAPPEN, BUT WE CAN DO A LOT. UM, SO NEXT SLIDE. UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DIG IN NOW IS REALLY WHERE YOUR FEEDBACK IS USEFUL. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO EVENTS, UM, IN ACCESSIBLE COMMUNITY LOCATIONS AND THEN ONE VIRTUAL MEETING FOR BROAD BROADER FEEDBACK. AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A Q AND A AND BREAKOUT SESSIONS MOSTLY FOR THE IN-PERSON AND THEN PROJECT REVIEW. UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEEDED TO BOOK THE LOCATIONS IS BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE SPANISH ACCESS AT [00:25:01] THE IN-PERSON ACTIVITIES. I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING VIRTUAL, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO KIND OF NAVIGATE THAT. UM, AND ALSO I THINK WE'VE ASKED FOR A SL SUPPORT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DOING THAT JUST YET, BUT WE'RE HOPING MAYBE AT LEAST ONE OF THEM WE CAN HAVE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE AS WELL. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE. OKAY, SO THIS IS JUST LIKE A ROUGH DRAFT OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING. UM, YOU KNOW, VIRTUAL IS A LITTLE BIT HARDER, SO THAT'S WHY WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE WANNA DO BREAKOUTS IN VIRTUAL. I JUST THINK THAT'S A LOT SINCE WE'LL KIND OF BE RUNNING IT. THE IDEA IS THAT WE'D HAVE WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS IN PERSON. I THINK, UM, IF PEOPLE WANT TO LIKE PEOPLE FROM THE WORKING GROUPS WANNA ANNOUNCE WHO THEY ARE, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE INTRODUCTIONS. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE'D HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE BOND PRESS BOND PROCESS AND OUR ROLE AND THEN KIND OF LIKE AN INITIAL COMMUNITY Q AND A. I THINK THERE MIGHT JUST BE SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT WANNA JUST KIND OF ANSWER AT THE BEGINNING, BUT WE ALSO CAN PUT THAT AT THE END. AND THEN I THINK IT'S UH, WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE BREAKOUT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROJECT LIST. I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, PROJECT IS TO ACTUALLY KIND OF JUST LIKE GO THROUGH THEM. AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT FOR ANY OF THE BTF MEMBERS THAT FELT COMFORTABLE, WE COULD DO THIS. UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE KIND OF CREATE LIKE A FACILITATION GUIDE SO IT WOULDN'T LIKE, SO THAT THE MEMBERS, IF THEY FELT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, THEY COULD ENGAGE IN THAT. AND SO THAT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE FELT COMFORTABLE, UM, DOING THOSE BREAKOUT DISCUSSIONS. AND THEN FROM THOSE BREAKOUTS WE KIND OF COME BACK AND LIKE KIND OF SHARE HIGH LEVEL, UM, WHAT WE HEARD. NOW VIRTUALLY THE SAME THING IS WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS, OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS. AND THEN I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE ACTUALLY DO THE PROJECT LIST REVIEW AND DISCUSSION AS A GROUP AS OPPOSED TO BREAKING OUT INTO BREAKOUT GROUPS. I JUST THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TENUOUS AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO BREAK OUT INTO BREAK GROUPS AND PEOPLE FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE VIRTUALLY, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. SO, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE KIND OF DO IT TOGETHER AND THEN WE CAN, THE BTF PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE CALL CAN KIND OF SUPPORT IF THINGS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GO OFF THE RAILS JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS ON VIRTUAL, UH, CALLS IF WE'RE BEING HONEST. UM, AND THEN HAVE THE COMMUNITY, UH, Q AND A AT THE END WITH THE CLOSING REMARKS AND NEXT STEPS. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BASICALLY HAVE THEM MIRROR THE SAME THING. I JUST THINK, I THINK BREAKOUTS ARE JUST GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT TRICKY VIRTUALLY. ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS? YEAH, GO AHEAD. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. I WAS AT A EVENT LAST WEEK AND THEY WERE USING SLIDO FOR QUESTIONS. MM-HMM . AND THERE MAY BE SOMETHING EMBEDDED IN TEAMS THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY GREAT WAY FOR PEOPLE TO UPVOTE QUESTIONS AND SO YOU COULD KIND OF SEE WHAT THE AUDIENCE IN GENERAL WAS INTERESTED IN. AND I LIKED HOW THE MODERATOR READ THE QUESTION OUT VERBATIM. I ALWAYS GET A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WHEN THE MODERATOR LIKE PUTS THEIR OWN SPIN ON THE QUESTION AND CHANGES THE CONTENT. SO, UM, I WAS JUST THINKING IT SEEMED LIKE IT, IT HELPED IT KEEP IT A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZED THAN JUST A FREE FOR ALL DISCUSSION. YEAH. I HAVE A SLI ACCOUNT SO WE CAN DO THAT. AND I THINK TOO, IF WE WANNA MAKE IT CONSISTENT, WE ACTUALLY COULD USE SLIDO IN PERSON AS WELL. MM. RIGHT. WE COULD USE SLIDO FOR BOTH SO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS CONSISTENT AS BOTH AND THEN WE JUST DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE QUESTIONS MODERATED. UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE MINDFUL OF. I THINK IN OUR ROLE WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF GET THE UNFILTERED STUFF FROM THE COMMUNITY. 'CAUSE HONESTLY WE'RE NOT STAFF AND WE'RE NOT COUNCIL MEMBERS MM-HMM . SO WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE TAKING ANYTHING PERSONALLY MM-HMM . UM, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WILL BE DIRECTED AT US. UM, SO I THINK THAT ACTUALLY IS A REALLY GOOD, UH, PRACTICE THAT POTENTIALLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF LET EVERYTHING COME IN UNFILTERED. COOL. OKAY. THIS BOTH OF YOU ALL RAISE YOUR HAND. SO I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET FEEDBACK ON THE PROJECT LIST, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PROJECTS LIST. I'M PRESUMING, UM, ARE YOU GOING TO GET, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK? I KNOW WE HAD THE INITIAL SURVEY, RIGHT, WHICH HAD THE ROLLOUT BY CATEGORY SLASH WORKING GROUP. ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT AGAIN, SINCE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK OUT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEN WOULD YOU GET ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON ANY EXISTING CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD'VE DEVELOPED BY THAT POINT IN TIME? OR IS IT JUST ALL ON JUST THE PROJECT LIST? BECAUSE IN MY MIND IT COULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY GAUGE THE PUBLIC ON TAX IMPACT, RIGHT. DO YOU WANT, WOULD YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT WOULD RESULT IN A, A CHANGE IN YOUR TAX RATE OR NO CHANGE IN THE TAX RATE OR SOMETHING THAT MAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ALLOCATION BY CATEGORIES AGAIN, ARE THESE STILL THE, THE BEST PRIORITIES OR WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ALTERING THESE PRIORITIES JUST TO SORT OF DOUBLE BACK AGAIN, JUST TO GET THAT FEEDBACK. IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL [00:30:01] AS WE GO IN TO SORT OF ENTER INTO THOSE FINAL STAGES. I THINK A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT, UM, WORKSHOPPING A LITTLE BIT IS IN THE INTRO WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SLIDES, WE ACTUALLY COULD, I WAS IMAGINING THAT WE WERE GONNA SAY WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD. AND SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS SHOW THE RESULTS FROM THE SURVEY AND THEN HAVE LIKE A SLIDO THAT LIKE CHECKS THE PULSE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MEETING SINCE WE'LL BE DOING A SIGN IN LIST AND SEEING WHERE PEOPLE ARE FROM, WE'LL BE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY TIE DIRECT, WE COULD POTENTIALLY TIE DIRECT RESPONSES TO UH, ZIP CODES, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER. BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. LIKE AS WE'RE SHOWING THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY, THAT COULD BE A PART OF LIKE THE OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HEARD. I LIKE THAT IDEA. AND THEN WHAT WAS YOUR SECOND, THE LAST ONE ABOUT? WELL, THE TAX, THE TAX IMPACT, RIGHT? LIKE IS IT, LIKE I, OBVIOUSLY WE ALWAYS, I WOULD SAY EVERY TIME YOU GO TO THE PUBLIC ASK IF THIS, THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER AN INCREASE ON THEIR TAX IMPACT TO SORT OF SEE THESE PRIORITIES OR NOT. WOULD THEY WANT NOT WANT A SORT OF A TAX RATE CHANGE, RIGHT. ARE WE STILL DOING IT? JUST IN MY MIND THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS ARE OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY AND SORT OF GETTING FEEDBACK ON THAT ALL THE TIME IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE US SEE. BUT UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEIR RESULT, YOU KNOW, ALL GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST OF THE, I CAN'T REREMEMBER, I, I USED TO KNOW THE NUMBERS PRIORITIES. I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK, THINK WE DREW A GOOD PORTION OF THOSE QUESTIONS AGAIN AND THAT ONE I WAS INCLUDING THAT I MORE SO MEANT THE CRITERIA. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO HAVE THAT BE A PART OF THIS LISTENING SESSION, BUT I THINK THAT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE. I THINK, I MEAN THE BREAKOUT SESSIONS, I'M, I'M PARTICULARLY TALKING ABOUT THE BREAKOUT SESSIONS 'CAUSE YOU'RE BREAKING OUT, YOU'RE GOING, I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL HAVE SMALL TABLES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIORITIES THEMSELVES. THEY'LL COME BACK AND PRIORITIZE WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE, BUT THEY COULD ALSO PRIORITIZE TAX IMPACT OR PRIORITIZE WHAT THE SURVEY RE REAFFIRM WHAT WAS IN THE SURVEY OR NOT THOSE PRIORITIES. AND SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE BREAKOUT SESSIONS AND WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS MIGHT INCLUDE AND THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU MIGHT GET FOR THEM, JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING THROUGH THE TIME YOU HAVE 90 MINUTES AND SO ARE YOU GONNA SPEND THE ENTIRE 90 MINUTES JUST GETTING FEEDBACK ON, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS 40 ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE, THE THREE OR 4 BILLION OR SO. YEAH, I USED TO KNOW THE NUMBERS, BUT ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER GETTING FEEDBACK ON? NO, I THINK THESE ARE GREAT SUGGESTIONS. MM-HMM . I THINK THE ONLY THING, AND I, AND I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK. I DO THINK GETTING THROUGH THE PROJECTS AND REALLY TALK TO, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A WASTE NOT TO ASK PEOPLE PRIORITY. SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING TO BRING IN. SO A COUPLE THINGS. UM, FIRST I, I APPRECIATE THAT THE DATES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE ARE FAR ENOUGH AWAY TO GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO PLAN AND, AND, AND SO THANK YOU ALL ALL FOR WORKING TO THAT. I, I'LL ECHO SOME OF WHAT NICOLE WAS TALKING ABOUT AND SAY THAT I, I THINK AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO ADDRESS SQUARELY THAT WHAT IF THIS, IF THE ELECTION BOND ELECTION PASSES, IT WILL HAVE A TAX CONSEQUENCE TO PEOPLE. AND SO I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE PROJECTS THAT DID NOT, NOT INVOLVE FULL TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE TAX CONSEQUENCES, UH, FOR THESE DECISIONS. I ALSO ADMIRE THE, THE PURPOSE AND THE GOALS HERE, UH, THAT WERE LAID OUT HERE. AND I AND I FULLY SUPPORT THOSE MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS SHARE PRIORITIES, LISTENING TO DIVERSE VOICES, ESPECIALLY UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS. OOPS. HAVING THIS KIND, THESE KINDS OF MEETINGS THOUGH WITHOUT A, A LOT OF ATTEMPT AT PREPARING PEOPLE FOR THOSE MEETINGS WILL NOT RESULT IN THE, WILL NOT GIVE US THESE RESULTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE JUST NOTICE THAT THIS MEETING WILL HAPPEN, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE BOND, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES. WE GET TH 30 MINUTES FOR THAT. OKAY, NOW TELL US WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. WE ARE SPENDING MONTHS HERE TALKING ABOUT THOSE PROJECT LISTS AND WORKING THROUGH THOSE PRIORITIES AND, AND IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD PUT PEOPLE IN THE BEST POSITION TO PROVIDE THEIR PRIORITIES IF THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE EVER HEARING OR SEEING ABOUT THIS IS WHEN THEY CLICK ON THE MEETING OR THEY SHOW UP IN THAT FRONT DOOR. SO I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT ARE THE IDEAS ABOUT PREPARING PEOPLE FOR THESE CONVERSATIONS WELL IN ADVANCE OF THEM SHOWING UP THAT DAY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME NERVOUS ABOUT TALKING ABOUT CRITERIA BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A STEP BEYOND. BUT I DO THINK IF WE SPEND A GOOD CHUNK EDUCATING THEM ABOUT THE PROJECTS, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT BY THE END OF THE MEETING THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY THAT PROJECTS THAT ARE OF INTEREST AND PRIORITY FOR THEM, I DO FEEL LIKE PE THE PEOPLE COULD BE AT THAT POINT. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD THINK THE IDEA OF THINKING ABOUT PRIORITY THINGS THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IS SOMETHING WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK AWAY WITH AFTER THE 90 MEETINGS. [00:35:01] BUT I DO AGREE THAT WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR IN THIS MEETING WITHOUT IT BEING TOO, TOO MUCH AND TOO OVERWHELMING TO PROCESS. SO I THINK THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD BRING WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TO THE NEXT MEETING, SO WE'RE, THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER MEETING WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE NOT DECIDING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHY IT'S ALSO GOOD THAT THE MEETINGS FAR OUT. WELL I THINK SOMEBODY SHOULD TAKE THE LIST, RIGHT? THE 3.9, WHAT IS IT, 3.9 BILLION WAS THE LIST. 66 ITEMS. YEAH. AND UM, MAYBE GEOGRAPHICALLY PUT THOSE ON A MAP SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE POINT. ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE JUST TO, UH, PUT THEM INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND SUM UP THE TOTAL AMOUNT AND THEN COMMUNICATE TO EVERYBODY THAT WE REALLY HAVE A BUDGET OF ONLY 640 MILLION. AND SO, NO, I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY GETS THAT. I KEEP SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY WANT 350 MILLION, UH, FOR PARKS AND WHATNOT. WE'VE HEARD 300 MILLION, IF EVERYBODY WANTS 300 MILLION, SOMEBODY NEEDS A MAGIC WAND. SO, YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO BE OUT COMMUNICATING ONE THAT WE'RE ON A VERY STRICT BUDGET. AND TWO, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ILLUSTRATE GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE. YEAH. BUT THE DIFFICULTY WITH THE GEOGRAPHIC IS THAT SO MANY OF THEM ARE, UM, WHAT PROGRAM BUDGETS, RIGHT? WHERE THEY'RE NOT COMMITTING TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS. SO I, I AGREE THAT SOME OF THEM CAN BE MAPPED, BUT ACTUALLY A LOT OF THE REQUESTS ARE NOT. YEAH, AND I, I AGREE THAT'S IN THAT WAY. YEAH, I AGREE. BUT CERTAINLY LIBRARY FACILITIES ARE EASILY MAPPED. UM, TRAILS WOULD BE EASILY MAPPED. UM, STORM WATER DETENTION WOULD PROBABLY BE EASILY MAPPED. I MEAN ACTUALLY A LOT OF THOSE REQUESTS DID NOT COME IN THE FORM OF SPECIFIC, SOME OF THEM HAD, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN GIVING EXAMPLES OF THEIR PROJECTS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T NECESSARILY BEEN SAYING THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO SIX WHATEVER PROJECTS SOME OF THEM HAVE, BUT SOME OF THEM HAVE NOT. I JUST, ALL RIGHT, WELL HERE IT IS. I JUST WANNA BE LIKE UPFRONT WITH ABOUT THAT, THAT LIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION. WELL, I VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE ON THIS TASK AND I'LL REPORT BACK TO Y'ALL HOW HARD IT'S, OKAY, WELL WHICH TASK ARE YOU TAKING ON THE GEOGRAPHIC? TAKE THE 66 PROJECTS AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY IF YOU CAN. WELL, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF IT'S THE IMPACT IS GEOGRAPHIC, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WATERSHED, IF THAT'S LIKE A CITYWIDE NEED TO DETAIN SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS IF IT'S IN LIKE D ONE OR D FIVE. SO IT'D BE IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO, TO SHOW THE, THE GEOGRAPHIC IMPACT VERSUS THING LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S REALLY GONNA, WELL I KNOW, BUT WE CAN DO IT. OBVIOUSLY WE CAN DO IT WITH FACILITIES. YEAH. WE KNOW THAT THEY NEED, WHERE THEY'VE TOLD US WHERE THEY NEED NEW LIBRARIES, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, SO ANYWAY, I WILL GO INTO THAT LIST AND I WILL SEE WHAT I CAN DO WITH IT. AND IF I NEED HELP I CAN ASK CITY STAFF AND WHATNOT. CAN I PROVIDE A COUPLE PIECES OF FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSAL? OF COURSE. THANKS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I DO THINK THAT THE BREAKOUT CAN BE DONE. BREAKOUT ROOMS CAN BE DONE VIRTUALLY EFFECTIVELY. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT TOOLS LIKE, YOU KNOW, VIRTUAL WHITEBOARDS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE USE, UM, AND, AND SOME KIND OF VERSION OF THAT PERHAPS FOR THE IN-PERSON AS WELL. BUT DEFINITELY, UH, WHEN WORKING REMOTELY, I THINK THAT CAN BE AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO GATHER INPUT FROM GROUPS, UH, VIRTUALLY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT ALSO TO, TO WRITE THINGS DOWN, UM, WHICH SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE, UM, ABANDONED THE IDEA OF, OF MAKING SOME OF THESE HYBRID EVENTS, BUT IF THERE IS THE OPTION TO DO THAT, UM, I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL. UM, ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE, THIS SEEMS, YOU KNOW, BY NATURE IT HAS GOTTA BE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA COME OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, A FOUR HOUR EVENT OR WHATEVER. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHERE WE'RE SPENDING TIME. I DO NOT THINK REVIEWING THE, UM, SURVEY RESULTS ARE RESULTS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THAT TIME WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. UM, SO I JUST, I PERSONALLY WOULD CROSS THAT OFF THE LIST FOR THOSE PARTICULAR MEETINGS. UM, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHARING THE RESULTS. WE'RE NOT GONNA WALK THROUGH IT, BUT LIKE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO SHARE THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED. AND I THINK THE IDEA, WHAT I, I'M SUGGESTING IS WE BRIEFLY MENTION IT AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE, I DON'T THINK WE'D WALK THROUGH IT. SO YEAH, I MEAN IF YOU WANNA PROVIDE A LINK, I MEAN IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. [00:40:01] UM, ANYWAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH GOING THROUGH IN ANY FASHION IN THOSE MEETINGS PERSONALLY. UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS JUST ABOUT SHARING THE, THE LIST OF PROJECTS. I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE POINT THAT WAS MADE. UM, I THINK YOU ALREADY SAID, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF PEOPLE ARE JUST GETTING THE INFORMATION IN THOSE MEETINGS, WE ARE NOT GONNA GET A LOT OF MEANINGFUL FEEDBACK. THEY MIGHT COME TO US WITH THINGS THEY WANNA SHARE JUST FROM THEIR OWN, BUT IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK, THAT'LL BE DIFFICULT. UM, AND AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THE LIST IS NOT EVEN POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD BE. IT SHOULD ACTUALLY, I THINK BE ON THE HOME PAGE, BUT CERTAINLY AT LEAST, UM, IN THE MEETING LINKS AND HOPEFULLY LABELED IN A PROMINENT WAY. UM, AND OF COURSE THERE WAS THE BIGGER LIST AS WELL. I THINK BOTH OF THOSE NEED TO BE ON OUR, UM, OUR OTHERWISE WE'RE SETTING PEOPLE UP FOR AN EXERCISE AND FRUSTRATION TO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THANKS. DO WE, THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS I THINK A GREAT START AND SO I'M GONNA MAKE A FEW COMMENTS THAT I THINK BILL ON GARY'S COMMENTS AND MAYBE EVA'S COMMENTS AS WELL. SO A FIRST THOUGHT IS THAT I HAVE MET PEOPLE IN COMMUNITY WHO DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT BONDS DO. SO I THINK THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED, BUT THERE WILL NEED TO BE IN THIS, MAYBE THIS CAN BE IN THE FORM OF FREE READS, HOWEVER WE WANNA DO THAT, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME GROUNDING. AND THEN I ALSO WANNA REMIND US THAT THESE SESSIONS WILL NOT FLOW LIKE PUBLIC COMMENTS. LIKE THERE SHOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A 90 MINUTE SESSION, UM, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS OR IF THEY'RE, SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING WITH MORE URGENCY IN THEIR COMMENTS ARE RUNNING LONG. IT TAKES A GREAT DEGREE OF SKILL AND EXPERIENCE AS A FACILITATOR TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE TIME AND SPACE FOR A ROOM FULL OF VOICES TO BE HEARD. AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SKILL LEVEL OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS CALL, SO I JUST WANNA CALL OUT THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A PRETTY COMPLEX SITUATION THAT WE ARE PLANNING FOR. UM, YEAH. AND, AND THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT PUBLIC COMMENTS, IF YOU HAVE WATCHED ANY VIDEOS OF SOME OF THE BUDGET TOWN HALLS, YOU CAN GET SOME SENSE OF POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE ENERGY THAT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR. SO I JUST WANT US TO CONSIDER THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT THE $3.9 BILLION LIST IS ONLINE. YEAH. AND JUST TO DE'S POINT, THAT IS ONE OF THE, MY CONCERNS ABOUT DOING IT VIRTUALLY, UH, BREAKOUT ROOMS BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER. UM, AS SOMEONE WHO'S DONE LARGE, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH BREAKOUT GROUPS, BREAKOUT ROOMS, THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT PEOPLE, THE FACILITATOR WOULD KIND OF BE IN THAT ROOM WITH THE PEOPLE BY THEMSELVES. AND SO THAT I, THAT'S WHY MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DON'T DO BREAKOUTS VIRTUALLY. I THINK WE CAN, UH, I DO THINK IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT IN PERSON. SO THANK YOU DEWI. I THINK THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GIVE OUT THE BIG IDEAS. BUT I THINK IN THE NEXT MEETING, TO YOUR POINT AND TO GARY'S POINT, I DO THINK WE NEED TO REALLY DIG INTO EXACTLY WHAT CONTENT WE'RE GONNA PRE BE PRESENTING, WHO'S GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT AND THE FLOW. UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO WHY I DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH, UH, DETAIL ON THE 90 MINUTES BECAUSE I ALSO AGREE THAT I DO THINK THESE CONVERSATIONS MIGHT JUMP AROUND AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MANAGE THEM AS MUCH. SO I THINK BENJAMIN HAS ONLINE, BEN YEAH, I WHAT SAID ABOUT THE NEED FOR IT TO BE AT THE OUTSET? UH, JUST GENERAL EDUCATION AS TO WHAT ARE, UM, AND I THINK IT SPEAKS TO SOMETHING THAT GARY MENTIONED. LIKE WE KNOW THAT EVERY EIGHT YEARS THE CITY FLOATS GETS, BASICALLY IT'S HARD TO HEAR MORTGAGE, RIGHT? YOU TAKE THE MONEY, IT'S PAID OFF, OF COURSE IS WHAT WE USE. AND THIS IS NOT MONEY. THIS IS NOT MONEY THAT CAN BE SPENT ON SALARIES OR PROGRAM PROGRAMMATIC STUFF. IT IS FOR CAPITAL ASSETS, CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, YOU KNOW, BUILDING STUFF STUFF. AND THAT THE CHART OF YOUR TAX BILL THAT THE GOVERNMENT PAY DOWN THE DEBT IS A, IT'S A PORTION THAT IS A SMALL PORTION THAT, BEN, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A SECOND. WE'RE HAVING A BIT OF A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. YOU'RE KIND OF CUTTING IN AND OUT. UM, I'M SORRY. UM, BASICALLY THAT WE EDUCATE PEOPLE AS TO WHAT THIS DEBT IS, HOW IT WORKS, AND THE FACT THAT OUR INTEREST IN SINKING OUR DEBT PORTION IS ALREADY PART OF OUR [00:45:01] TAX RATE. THIS IS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF OTHER TAX DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING CURRENTLY. AND I'M, I'M GLAD THE TIMING WILL BE HAPPENING AFTER THE VOTE. UM, THAT IS VERY GOOD CONSIDERATION FROM EARLIER BECAUSE OUR INTEREST IN SINKING IS ALREADY CALCULATED AS BY RATE. WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THAT BACK, BUT AS OLDER BONDS DROP OFF, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLOODING THAT NEW DEBT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT, THAT SCHEDULE. AND I THINK THAT WAS BEING STARTED AT THE OUTSET SO THAT PEOPLE EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING. DO YOU WANNA FINISH AS OLDER BONDS, NOT OLDER DOGS? CHARLES? YEAH, BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW MORE SLIDES TO SHOW REAL QUICK. CHARLES, DID YOU, SO ARE WE INVITING PEOPLE TO TALK? IS THE LIST CLOSED AT THE TIME THAT WE START THE PUBLIC MEETING? CAN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THEY WANT OR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE LIST IS COMING DOWN THE END OF OCTOBER, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IS A PARTICULAR POINT IN OUR PUBLICITY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, THAT THIS IS A LISTENING SESSION ON THE OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED. BECAUSE OTHERWISE I THINK PEOPLE WILL COME AND WANT TO SUGGEST ADDITIONAL PROJECTS AND THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FRUSTRATION WHEN THEY BOTHER TO COME AND THEN THEY'RE TOLD WE'RE NOT TAKING, WE, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU, BUT WE DON'T WANNA HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, CAN WE JUST GET THE STAFF TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHEN THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO NO LONGER POST ON THE WEBSITE AS TO NEW PROJECTS. NOVEMBER 30TH, NOVEMBER. NO, NOVEMBER. END OF NOVEMBER. OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE END OF OCTOBER. ME TOO. OKAY. AND CAN YOU PUT THE SLIDES BACK UP? I'M GONNA FINISH THOSE REALLY, REALLY QUICK. OKAY. SORRY. JUST TO CLARIFY. SO IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE OF THE TRE AND THE VOTE AND THE ELECTIONS AND PUSHING BACK OUR TIMELINE, UM, SO WE'RE NOT HAVING THOSE LISTING SESSIONS UNTIL NOVEMBER NOW. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC FORMS WERE AVAILABLE AND STAYING OPEN UNTIL THE END OF NOVEMBER AS WELL. SO THAT'S THE, THE JUSTIFICATION AND REASONING. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, REAL QUICK JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, SO I DID HAVE AN OVERVIEW PART THAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT. I ONLY HAD 20 MINUTES, BUT I MIGHT ADJUST THAT 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE WANNA MAKE, UM, MAYBE WE'LL MAKE IT 30 MINUTES BECAUSE I DID ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO EDUCATE FOLKS. SO WE BOOKED THESE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM MEETING TO BE MORE THAN TWO HOURS. SO WE CAN JUST ADJUST THAT. WE MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO GET RID OF THE COMMUNITY Q AND A AND JUST REALLY HAVE A, A SUBSTANTIAL EDUCATION PIECE. SO I'LL BRING THAT BACK TO THE GROUP. UM, KEEP GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST SO, AND I THINK IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AS A BTF MEMBER TO BE A FACILITATOR, I MEAN YOU FEEL EQUIPPED, LET'S PLEASE REACH OUT. BUT WE'LL HAVE INTERPRETERS SECURITY AND THEN NOTE TAKERS. IF YOU DO WANNA BE A NOTE TAKER AND BY NOTE TAKER, I'M TALKING ABOUT BIG LEVEL, LIKE HIGH PICTURE, NOT LIKE TYPING FEROCIOUSLY I THINK IT MIGHT BE USEFUL, MIGHT BE HELPFUL. UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ACCESSIBILITY AND THEN MATERIALS. UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY BE WORTH HAVING FEEDBACK FORMS. I THINK THE THING IS THAT EVEN IF PEOPLE CAN'T GIVE US INFORMATION IN THE MEETING, I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS FIGURE OUT MAYBE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE THOUGHTS AND INPUT AFTER THE MEETING. 'CAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WILL PROCESS AND PROVIDE IT LATER. THE LAST SLIDE. UM, SO WE ARE TRYING TO FINALIZE THE PLAN AND SECURE, UH, THE APPROVALS AND SO THE NEXT TWO MONTHS IS PROMOTE THE SESSIONS AND PREPARE MATERIALS. AND SO I THINK THAT IS, UM, WHAT WE'LL BE DOING AND I AM, AND I'LL PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO THAT'S IT. QUESTION, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL HAVE A WAY IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN REGISTER THEIR INTENT TO ATTEND AND THEN THEY COULD BE PROVIDED MATERIALS AHEAD OF TIME THROUGH THAT EMAIL? KNOW WE CAN POTENTIALLY DO THAT? I THINK FOR THE VIRTUAL SESSION, I THINK WE HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T MET WITH THE CITY STAFF YET, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING THAT VIRTUAL SESSION AND THE VIR. I KNOW WITH VIRTUAL SESSIONS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE IN PERSON. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. OKAY. IT WOULD JUST MAYBE SOLVE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE GET PEOPLE TO COME TO THAT MEETING AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN. HE HIS HAND UP. SORRY, MISSED ALWAYS SET UP AN R SVP PAGE, RIGHT? I MEAN ANY ONE OF US COULD DO THAT. I COULD DO THAT. WELL I KNOW I'M MORE SO MEANT THEY, I KNOW THEY CAN DO IT ON THE SPEAK UP AUSTIN PAGE. DONALD HAS A QUESTION. YEAH, JUST REAL SIMPLE. UH, JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THOSE DATES YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, DID YOU SAY NOVEMBER 15TH AND 19TH? I THINK SO. THOSE WERE THE DATES I WAS GIVEN, YES. OKAY. I HAD THE WRONG DAYS. I WAS, I WASN'T, I WASN'T QUESTIONING, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. OH YES, THOSE WERE THE DATES. OKAY. IT WASN'T IN, IT WASN'T IN THE SLIDE, SO I JUST WANTED 15TH AND 19TH ONE'S A SATURDAY [00:50:01] AND ONE'S A WEDNESDAY. OKAY, GREAT. UH, I WAS ALSO EARLIER JUST GOING TO, I THINK EVERYONE ELSE WAS SAYING THE SAME THING. PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND LIMITATIONS AROUND BONDS AND JUST HAVING A VERY CLEAR LIKE, YOU CAN USE BONDS FOR THIS, NOT THIS. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT JUST THE GENERAL IGNORANT TO THE PUBLIC. I WORK AT THE CITY. I'D SAY AT LEAST HALF THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW THE RESTRICTIONS EITHER. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S A REASONABLE THING TO, UH, MAKE SURE PEOPLE GET THAT BASELINE EDUCATION ON. ALSO THAT THE ACTUAL VOTE WON'T BE FOR A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR. SO THAT THAT'S A GOOD, THEY FEEL A SENSE OF URGENCY OR OTHER EMOTIONS BASED ON THE RECENT ELECTION. THEY CAN LET IT GO AND FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE IT WON'T BE HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ASSERT THEMSELVES. NICOLE, YES. I ASSUME THAT THE 30 MINUTES NOW WE'LL TALK, I I I ASSUME THAT IT'LL BE LIKE FRAMING LIKE SOME FRAME SOME TIME TO SORT OF FRAME HOW WE GOT HERE, RIGHT? THE CRITERIA THAT WAS USED TO DEVELOP THE LIST OF THE 66 PROJECTS ALONG THOSE LINES, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DONALD, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME FRAMING LIKE IS THE NUMBER SIX 90 OR IS IT 700 MILLION OUT UPDATING THE NUMBER WHERE IT HAS NO TAX IMPACT, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WE'RE TAKING 3.9, YOU KNOW, 3.9 BILLION HERE TRYING TO GET IT DOWN TO 700 MILLION OR SO AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S LESS THAN 20%, RIGHT? SO HOW DO YOU, THIS IS, THIS IS A WAY WE'VE GOTTA WHITTLE IT DOWN TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN MAYBE TAKING EVEN THE SURVEY AND THE, THAT WHAT WE SAID WAS THE PRIORITIES AND IF WE HAD TO BUCKLE THAT DOWN INTO THE 700 MILLION, RIGHT, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BASED UPON THOSE SURVEY RESULTS, RIGHT? SO FRAMING OF HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO AS PEOPLE GO INTO THOSE BREAKOUT SESSIONS, THEY'RE INFORMED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO SORT OF BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DELIBERATE ABOUT WHAT THE FEEDBACK THEY GIVE AND SORT OF GETTING TO THOSE PRIORITIES AND SIFTING THROUGH THAT 4 BILLION AND THAT'S THOSE 66 PROJECTS. SO REALLY TAKING THAT 30 MINUTES TO FRAME HOW WE GOT HERE, TAX IMPACTS WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTED TO DO SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME MEANINGFUL FEEDBACK. BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST THAT ALL THE 4 BILLION IS IMPORTANT, THAT'S NOT GONNA NECESSARILY BE HELPFUL. BUT DEFINITELY DON HELPING THEM SEE THE END, LIKE THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, THE TIMELINE WHERE THEY CAN SEE THEMSELVES SORT OF PARTICIPATE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. SO THE FRAMING IS IN MY MIND OF THE MOST IMPORTANCE AND GOING INTO SORT OF GETTING MEANINGFUL FEEDBACK OUTTA THAT 90 MINUTES. THINK HE HAS HER HAND. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THIS HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED YET OUT THE CITY WILL ALSO BE DOING THERE MEETINGS AND THAT WILL INCLUDE A FOLLOW-UP SURVEY AS WELL. SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TO KIND OF GAUGE WHETHER WE'VE MOVED THE NEEDLE AT ALL ON WHERE PEOPLE ARE FEELING ABOUT IT. WE SHOULD HAVE A SECOND SURVEY THAT THEY'RE DOING. DO WE? THANK YOU. UM, I THINK ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC'S CLARITY AROUND THIS PROCESS AND MRS. ENOBI JOSEPH'S EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, ABOUT HOW OUR WORK IS DIFFERENT THAN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UM, AS WE'VE BEEN READING THROUGH THE PROJECT LIST PER PROJECT, IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR TO ME AND I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT HOW EACH OF THESE IS CLIMATE RELATED. AND SO CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR I HAD EMAILED SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, JUST WONDERING IF THE DEPARTMENT SUBMITTING THE PROJECT COULD SURFACE THAT IN A VERY DISTILLED DESCRIPTION. BECAUSE IF WE ARE BASICALLY SHOPPING THESE PROJECTS AROUND WITH THE PUBLIC, I COULD SEE WHERE SOME OF THE DESCRIPTIONS THEY'LL BE LIKE, WELL, WHY IS THIS IN HERE? AND IF WE'RE JUST SHOUTING OUT WHAT WE WANT FOR CHRISTMAS, YOU KNOW, I WANT A RED CAR. UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A KEY POINT OF CLARITY THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE AS A TAX OR EXCUSE ME, A TASK FORCE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE. THANK YOU. WELL, I DON'T THINK ALL OF, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THIS. I GUESS DEI CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP QUESTION? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE ACTION ITEM, THE INFORMATION, THE QUESTION YOU NEED ANSWERED. SO, SO THE QUESTION I NEED ANSWERED OR A CONSIDERATION FOR THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MOMENTS IS THAT AS WE'RE SHARING THE PROJECT LIST, SOME OF THE PROJECT, SO WE ARE BEING TOUTED PUBLICLY AS THIS BEING A CLIMATE RELATED BOND AND MANY OF THE PROJECTS AREN'T AT FIRST GLANCE IF, LIKE, IF I HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF THIS PROCESS, I THE PUBLIC MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND THE RELATEDNESS OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS TO ANYTHING CLIMATE RELATED. AND SO I THINK THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL BIT OF LEARNING BEYOND THE BOND PROCESS, BEYOND, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY INPUT BE BEYOND SURVEY RESULTS THAT WE'VE HAD. WHY ARE SOME [00:55:01] OF THESE PROJECTS EVEN ON THE LIST COMING BEFORE THE PUBLIC, DOES THAT HELP? I THINK IT DOES. I THINK THIS MAYBE GOES TO A BIGGER CONVERSATION THAT WE MIGHT HAVE IN THE NEXT ITEM, BUT THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS IS A BOND, A CLIMATE RELATED BOND PROPOSITION, I THINK IS SORT OF A QUESTION THAT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T QUITE CLOSED THE, THE LOOP ON. AND I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS ON THE LIST THAT YOU WOULD NOT NECESSARILY SAY IT HAS A DIRECT CLIMATE RATIONALE. SO I HEAR YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. I UNDERSTAND IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING FOR CLARITY. OF COURSE. KABA. UM, I JUST WANT, I I DO REALLY WANNA BE, UH, AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN HELPING TO, UH, HOST THESE MEETINGS. UM, BUT I AM CHAIRING A CITY COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 19TH. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE DATES. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE'S CONFLICTS MIGHT BE. I'M SURE OTHERS HAVE VARIOUS CONFLICTS, BUT IF WE COULD MAYBE HAVE A, A WAY OF DETERMINING A BEST DATE AMONGST THOSE WHO ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AND THEN MY SECOND THING WAS JUST I THINK THINKING ABOUT THE, UM, KIND OF AGENDA, UH, WHERE WE SPEND TIME IN THESE MEETINGS, IF WE'RE GONNA CALL THEM LISTENING SESSIONS, I THINK WE SHOULD LEAN INTO THE WORD LISTENING. UM, I AGREE. WE NEED TO SET THE STAGE. I THINK THAT THAT CAN OFTEN BE DONE IN A, YOU KNOW, MORE EFFICIENT MANNER THAN SOMETIMES IT IS. AND 20 MINUTES SEEMS LIKE PLENTY TO ME. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST LIKE THREE QUARTERS OF THE TIME DEDICATED TO LISTENING OR AT LEAST ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT COME FROM THE PUBLIC. WE HAVE, UH, SHE WANTED TO JESSICA HI. HI. JESSICA KING, UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE. SO JUST IN A, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT RSVPING. UM, WE'VE DONE RSVPING IN A VARIETY OF CONTEXTS. WHAT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION, CERTAINLY, UM, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS A TRUE REFLECTION OF WHO WILL SHOW UP. A CASE IN POINT, WE HAD ONE EVENT JUST RECENTLY WHERE THREE PEOPLE RSVP'D AND I THINK 50 PEOPLE SHOWED UP. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ALWAYS COMPLETELY TELLING AND I WOULDN'T LEAN SOLELY ON THE RSVP AS AN INDICATOR OF EITHER SUCCESS OR FAILURE. UM, BUT IT IS AN OPTION, CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . YEAH, I WAS THINKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF IF WE HAVE THAT, THEN WE CAN USE THAT AS A WAY TO DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME TO WHOEVER RSVPS. UM, I AGREE WITH THE DISCUSSION AROUND FRAMING AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN I WAS ON THE TRAVIS COUNTY BOND TASK FORCE AND THE QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC TENDS TO ASK, AND WE PROBABLY ALL KNOW THIS, IS WHAT IS THE STUDENT MY PROPERTY TAXES? UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR BONDING CAPACITY BEING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 600 AND 700 MILLION. SO WE KIND OF, THERE'S ALREADY SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. UM, I DON'T HAVE A SUGGESTION ABOUT HOW YOU ANSWER THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST PUT ON THE TABLE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONSISTENT ANSWER ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THAT A LOT. AND IT, IT NEEDS TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE DON'T KNOW. MAY, YOU KNOW, ? I, I CAN SEE IT COMING UP, ESPECIALLY IN THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A CONSISTENT AGREED UPON, UM, RESPONSE SO PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING DIFFERENT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. AND THE LAST THING, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. I WILL SAY WE GAVE, UH, THE C-P-I-O-A BUNCH OF DATES, BUT I THINK BASED ON THE LOCATIONS AND THE TIMES THAT WE GAVE THAT, THOSE WERE THE DATES THAT CAME OUT. SO, UM, I THINK THESE ARE ACTIVE, ACTIVE RECREATION CENTERS, SO THAT'S WHY WE LANDED ON THOSE DATES, . AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE THOSE AROUND, BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE LANDED. WE GAVE THEM MORE DATES THAN THEY WERE ABLE TO, AND WE GAVE THEM A BUNCH OF LOCATIONS TOO. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. BUT I DO THINK, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THERE, WE'RE GONNA, BEN, IF YOU COULD, I THINK BEN, AND THEN DO YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OR YOU WANNA KEEP GOING? WE CAN KEEP GOING, BEN. PERFECT. I'D LIKE TO TAKE A CRACK AT THAT QUESTION. MY ANSWER IS OF LAST YEAR, 2024 CITY'S PORTION OF MY TAX BILL WAS ABOUT QUITTER. I CAN'T HEAR YOU OF THAT, THAT TAX BILL I PAID. BEN, I HAVE TO INTERRUPT YOU AGAIN. WE'RE HAVING A REAL HARD TIME. MAYBE, MAYBE THE HEADSET, I DON'T KNOW. OR THE VIDEO. THE VIDEO. MAYBE WE COULD JUST, IF YOU TURN YOUR VIDEO OFF, IT MIGHT HELP. ALRIGHT, LET'S TRY THIS WAY. HOW'S THIS? KEEP GOING A LITTLE BETTER. OKAY, EXCELLENT. I'LL TAKE A CRACK AT IT. UH, [01:00:01] I WILL SAY THAT, UM, ON MY TAX BILL LAST YEAR, 2024, THE CITY WAS ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE BILL. UH, MY RATE WAS 47 CENTS. 47.76 CENTS OF HOW MANY DOLLARS OF VALUE? THAT 47 CENTS AND A HALF CENTS, 9 CENTS, OR THE DEBT REPAYMENT. SO MY ANSWER IS THAT I'M ALREADY PAYING DEBT REPAYMENT AS OVER DEBT DROPS OFF. WE'RE ISSUING BONDS AND WE'RE STILL GOING BE PAYING THAT DEBT REPAYMENT. WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THAT. SO THAT IS AS GENERAL OBLIGATION THAT DROPS. BEN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO GET YOUR COMMENT NEXT TIME. YES, DONALD? YEAH, I THINK BEN TEXTED ME SOME, SOME, SOME TEXT ABOUT IT. OH, OH, PERFECT. WHEN I, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HIM, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST NOTE LOOKING AT THE TAX BILL LAST YEAR, THE TAX RATE WAS 0.477 OF THAT DEBT SPENDING WAS ONLY 0.096. SO THE, SO WITH WITH CURRENT OBLIGATIONS AND, AND CURRENT, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THE CURRENT AUTHORITY THAT WE'RE, THE BONDING AUTHORITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT A FINANCE GUY SO PEOPLE CAN CORRECT ME LATER, BUT RELATIVELY SPEAKING, THE, THE, IT'S A PRETTY SMALL PORTION OF TAXES. AND ASSUMING THAT IT'S, IT PROCEEDS ALONG THE LINE OF PROJECTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY BOND FUNDED BEING COMPLETED AND GOING OFF THOSE RULES, AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL SPACE BEING OPENED UP, IT SHOULD, IT, THE, THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT TO ANYONE'S PROPERTY TAXES FOR THIS, BASED ON HOW WE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR, SHOULD BE FAIRLY MINIMAL. IT'S NOT. SO I THINK, AND THAT, AND THAT PROBABLY IS A REALLY GOOD THING TO MESSAGE, ESPECIALLY FOLLOWING THE TRE ELECTION, THAT IS AN EXPLICIT ELECTION ABOUT THE TAX RATE. BUT LIKE THIS IS MORE WITHOUT, WITHOUT IT, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THE BOND LEVEL STAYS WHERE PEOPLE ARE OR WHERE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A LOT OF ACTUAL LIKE CHANGE TO THAT BOND TO SOMEONE'S IMMEDIATE TAX BILL FROM THIS. IT'S LIKE A MORE NORMAL KIND OF FUNCTION OF, OF DEBT SERVICING. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR IS TO HAVE A QUICK RESPONSE AFTER THE TRE ELECTION TO PREPARE WITH THE HELP OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE THIS CONSISTENT MESSAGE ON THE IMPACT. SAY MOST PEOPLE ARE READY, LIKE, LIKE NO CHANGE IN THE TAX RATE ONE PENNY UP. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE USED TO SEEING. AND SO YOU CAN SORT OF FRAME IT IN THAT WAY. NO CHANGE IN YOUR EXISTING TAX RATE. WE HAVE 700 MILLION CAPACITY, WE CAN SQUEEZE THOSE PROJECTS IN ONE PENNY OF CHANGE, WHETHER IT'S A CHEESEBURGER A DAY ON YOUR TAX BILL OR WHATEVER. THE CITY KNOWS HOW TO FRAME THESE DISCUSSIONS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYERS CAN UNDERSTAND SO WELL, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN IN THE FRAMING, IT'S, IF IT IS AROUND 700 MILLION AND IT'S GONNA BE SPENT OVER SIX YEARS, WE'RE REALLY ONLY TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION A YEAR. YEAH. HOWEVER, I THINK WE MAY NEED A, UH, REMINDER VISIT FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE THEY SAID WE'RE NOW AT THE POSITION THAT ANY NEW BONDS WE SELL WILL HAVE A TAX IMPACT. WE ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO RETIRE ENOUGH DEBT TO OFFSET THE NEW SALE. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION. WE PROBABLY NEED TO, AS MARY SUGGESTED, GET OUR STORY STRAIGHT WITH FINANCE BEFORE WE . I FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING, AND I, AND IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE, I'LL JUST, I'LL WRAP THIS UP HERE. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FAQS OR SOME TALKING POINTS FOR US, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL. UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. I GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND IF I CAN, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE ANY PROMISES. I'LL SEND OUT THE DRAFT CONTENT EARLIER THAN WHEN THE PA MAYBE NICOLE. LET'S TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS OUT TO THE GROUP BEFORE THE NORMAL PACKET SO PEOPLE HAVE MORE TIME TO GIVE FEEDBACK. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT'S VERY CLEAR HERE IS THAT WE HAVE A REALLY BIG RESPONSIBILITY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTENT TO GET THROUGH. SO WE'LL TRY TO GET THIS MAYBE A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN, PEOPLE CAN REALLY GIVE FEEDBACK ADEQUATELY. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK YOU WANNA PROVIDE NOW YEAH, SEND IT TO PLEASE SEND IT ALONG. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM [5. Discussion and possible action to approve criteria to be used by full BEATF to prioritize projects recommended by Working Groups.] FIVE, MARY, WE HAVE, UM, MS. JOSEPH WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SPEAKING FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. I WILL JUST FINISH READING THE ITEM AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. ITEM FIVE, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE CRITERIA TO BE USED BY FULL BTIF TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS RECOMMENDED BY THE WORKING GROUPS. [01:05:02] DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS. I'M ZIA JOSEPH, AND RESPECTFULLY, THE AGENDA'S NOT IN THE ROOM. USUALLY IT'S POSTED, SO I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. I'LL JUST MAKE MY COMMENTS AS IT RELATES TO THE LIST. I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING IT IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. SPECIFICALLY, I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE REC CENTER FOR GUS GARCIA IS, UH, LISTED. HOWEVER, IT IS A LITTLE ODD. THE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTERS FOR, UH, 1992 FOR THE SOUTH AUSTIN AREA WAS ONLY $2 MILLION. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR 55 MILLION OR SO. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THEY DELINEATED WHAT WOULD BE SO DIFFERENT BETWEEN THOSE TWO. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN THE PASSAGE OF TIME, BUT THIS IS MS UH, NAOMI TELLING YOU THAT THEY'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR 30 YEARS. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE OTHER REC, THE OTHER SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTERS ARE LOCATED AT LEAST TWO OF THEM. I JUST WANTED YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE IN THE NORTHEASTERN AREA. FAR NORTHEAST IS NOT THE EASTERN CRESCENT, BUT THE AREA BY SAMSUNG IS IN GREEN WHERE THE ARROW IS POINTING AS WELL. AND SO THERE IS NO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER THERE. THERE'S NO SENIOR CENTER THERE OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST A DEARTH OF SERVICES. NEXT SLIDE. I JUST WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT, WHILE I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE SEEING THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL AND SIDEWALKS CITYWIDE, I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THERE WAS A $720 MILLION BOND NOVEMBER 8TH, 2016. THERE'S BEEN A PROMISE TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NORTH OF US, 180 3. BUT YOU'LL SEE TERRACOTTA SIDEWALKS, THAT'S THE RED SIDEWALKS WHICH EQUATE TO REDLINING. I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE ON JULY 27TH, 2025, IMAM ISLAM, MOSSAD WAS KILLED ACROSS FROM NOT YOUR ORDINARY SCHOOL IN 2016. THIS IS THE SAME AREA OF NORTH LAMAR, 1, 2, 3, 0, 0 NORTH LAMAR, WHERE A GENTLEMAN NAMED MR. DONALD NORTON WAS KILLED IN HIS MOTORIZED SCOOTER, SO A WHEELCHAIR WITH HIS SERVICE ANIMAL. I AM ASKING THE QUESTION, WHY SHOULD ANYONE IN NORTHEAST AUSTIN ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO FUND WILL BE FUNDED. SO WHILE YOU MAY GO OUT AND DO YOUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT AND DISCUSS WHAT HAS BEEN PROMISED. AND THE CITY'S DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES ARE IN THE AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN. UPDATE, WALK, BIKE ROLL, 2023, PAGE 37. NEXT SLIDE. THERE IS SOMETHING TODAY, A VIRTUAL DISCUSSION FOR OUR SENIOR CITIZENS. UH, CORTEZ CONSULTING HAS NOT DONE A GOOD JOB. MS. NAOMI SHOWED ME YESTERDAY THE SLIDE, BUT I'M SURE SOMEONE CAN FIND IT ONLINE. NEXT SLIDE. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS YOU TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, THEY OFTEN SAY THEY'RE SHORT STAFFED. BUT THIS IS WHAT I SAW, UH, THE DAY THAT I PRESENTED THIS INFORMATION TO THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE. IT'S OVER POLICING PEOPLE WHO ARE BROWN AND BLACK. AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO BE FRUGAL WITH SOME OF THE FUNDING IF IT'S GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION FOR ITEM FIVE? OKAY, SO WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, WELL ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN DANCING AROUND THE CONVERSATION FOR A FEW MONTHS, BUT WE STARTED IN AN EARNEST LAST MONTH. UM, AND I'M, I'M PLEASED TO SEE WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 45 MINUTES, UH, TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE IN THIS [01:10:01] CONVERSATION. JUST AS A, A REMINDER, UH, FIRST SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE CITY DEVELOPING THEIR LISTS. UH, THE WORKING GROUPS HAVE NOW GOTTEN THE LIST. THE WORKING GROUPS WILL SPEND THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UM, GETTING PUBLIC INPUT, GETTING TECHNICAL DETAIL FROM THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, GETTING SCORING FROM THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, AND THEN DELIVERING TO THIS LARGER GROUP A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS BY WORKING GROUP. NEXT SLIDE. SO NOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE PROCESS BY WHICH THIS GROUP OF 22 PEOPLE TAKES, UH, YOU KNOW, $4 BILLION OR THE OF PROJECTS AND PRIORITIZES WHAT THE WORKING GROUPS BRING TO US AND WINOW IT DOWN IF POSSIBLE. UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FROM THE CITY THAT WILL HELP US WITH THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THESE PROJECTS. NEXT SLIDE. CAN YOU GO TO THE, UM, OKAY. AND THAT, JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO, SO WITHOUT, THESE WERE SOME QUESTIONS, JUST LEAVE THOSE ON THE SCREEN FOR A MINUTE. LET ME NEED SOME BACKGROUND. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS PROCESS, WE SAID WE'D COME BACK TO THIS GROUP AND WE'D HAVE A, SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, VALUES CROSS-CUTTING CRITERIA. HOW WOULD WE, HOW WOULD WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTS AND BE SURE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL? AND, UM, I TOOK A LOT OF NOTES FROM LAST MONTH ABOUT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE GROUP THOUGHT WE SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO. AND I FORMED UP SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BIG QUESTIONS YES, NO TYPE QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW WE AS A GROUP, UH, WILL NECESSARILY SCORE. BUT, BUT WAYS TO START THINKING ABOUT THE PROJECTS. THE WORKING GROUPS ARE GONNA LOOK AT DETAIL. THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY THE CRITERIA OF THE CITY CLIMATE IMPACTS, THE EXTENT WE CAN GET THEM FACILITIES, GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS. BUT WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ASK AS THIS LARGER GROUP, UM, TO, TO HELP, UH, TO SELECT. SO, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD, AND I'M, THESE ARE NOT MY QUESTIONS. I MEAN, I WROTE THE QUESTIONS, BUT MADAM CHAIR, IS THIS AVAILABLE TO US RIGHT NOW? IT'S JUST TO LEAD THE, IT'S A LEAD DISCUSSION. OKAY. COULD WE BE, COULD WE LOOK AT IT WHILE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT? SURE. YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN. AND I, THAT'S WHY I SAID IT. JUST LEAVE 'EM UP THERE. LIKE YOU CAN LOOK AT 'EM. THIS WAS, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF WAYS WE MIGHT, UM, YEAH. IS THIS THE FINAL SLIDE? NO, THIS IS THE FINAL SLIDE. THIS WILL JUST SIT UP THERE FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING IT TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME. I'M TRAVELING, BUT LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK AND JUST SAY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE PROCESS BY WHICH THIS GROUP, YOU KNOW, SCORES PRIORITIZES. WE HAVE TO KIND OF THINK OF THE QUESTIONS THAT SORT OF SIT ABOVE ALL THE PROJECTS. IT'S HARD TO COMPARE FACILITIES TO OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO SCORE OURSELVES ON THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT AND THEY MEET DIFFERENT NEEDS. BUT ARE THERE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ASK THAT APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD? QUESTIONS LIKE, DO THEY SERVE MULTIPLE BENEFITS? ARE THEY SUPPORTED BY OTHER LEVERAGE SOURCES OF FUNDS? UM, WERE THEY SUPPORTED BY THE PUBLIC? DID WE HAVE DATA THAT SUGGESTED THAT THE PUBLIC REALLY WANTED? WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ON THE LIST? I'M NOT SUGGESTING THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED, BUT I'M SUGGESTING THAT THESE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE, UM, I THINK NICOLE USED A GREAT TERM. I CAN'T, I THINK IT WAS JUST CROSSCUTTING. I REMEMBER THE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT CONCEPT. SO, UM, CROSSCUTTING FILTERS. YES, CROSSCUTTING FILTERS. AND, AND, AND I AM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS MY BEST ATTEMPT TO TRYING TO ARTICULATE WHAT I THOUGHT THOSE BIG QUESTIONS COULD BE, UM, AND HOW TO TALK ABOUT THE CROSSCUT. SO I'M REALLY JUST WANTING TO OPEN IT UP NOW FOR US TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION FROM LAST MONTH. AND, AND THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY LIKE 20 OTHER CONCEPTS, NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS. THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE RAISED, UH, GAS, UH, YOU KNOW, EMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'VE LEFT THOSE OFF FOR NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY'RE KIND OF IN MY MIND WHETHER A PROJECT HAS NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS IN, IT'S KIND OF HARD WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A VARIETY OF PROJECTS THAT MAY NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT. SO MAYBE, MAYBE NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN A WORKING GROUP CRITERIA AS OPPOSED TO WHERE WE'RE SITTING AT THE SORT OF OTHER LEVEL. SO I'VE SAID AN I'M DONE NOT TALKING. I, UH, FOR A SUGGESTED QUESTION, JUST ONE SECOND. I CALLED ON DONALD. OH, SORRY. I COULDN'T HEAR. THANKS. UM, DEFINITELY A GOOD LIST TO START FROM. I THINK ONE, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP A A FEW MINUTES AGO, UM, AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO IT, BUT [01:15:01] A CHALLENGE WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONES AROUND, UH, PROJECTS IN UNDER, UNDER INVESTED AREAS OR, OR GETTING MORE GEOGRAPHICAL EQUITY, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PRIORITY TO HAVE. AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS IS GOING TO MAKE IT CHALLENGING BECAUSE WHAT WE COULD, UH, IN TERMS OF PINNING DOWN WHERE WHENEVER WE'VE BEEN GETTING SORT OF, AT LEAST IN THE TWO WORKING GROUPS, I'M, I'M, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN, WE'VE BEEN TOLD FAIRLY ADAMANTLY THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AND THEY WANT PROGRAMMATIC FUNDING WITH MORE FLEXIBILITY AND MAY HAVE LIKE EXEMPLAR PROJECTS THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT LIKE, DON'T WANT TO BE, IT, IT'S A LITTLE MORE AMORPHOUS THAN THAT, WHICH I DON'T, AND, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT EVEN CRITICIZING THAT. I THINK IT'S JUST A COMPLICATED THING TO GET THROUGH. UM, AND IT MIGHT BE CHALLENGING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE A, UM, LIKE A SPATIAL COMPONENT, LIKE A SPATIAL EQUITY COMPONENT THAT LIKE APPLIES ACROSS ALL THE CATEGORIES WHEN SOME OF THE CATEGORIES AND, AND, AND SOME, AND SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE HAVING, HAVE CONCERNS WITH THAT. UM, SO SOME OF THEM, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE DAVE HAS TALKED ABOUT, LIKE SPECIFIC FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT. THOSE ARE EASIER, BUT LIKE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE, BUT THEN WE CAN'T APPLY THAT TO THE OTHER CATEGORIES. SO IT GETS KIND OF, I THINK THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU HIT ON THIS SORT OF, THIS VALUE, THIS CONCEPT, LIKE AS A GROUP, DO WE WANNA FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN DETERMINE A SORT OF A SPATIAL EQUITY WAY OF LOOKING AT THE PACKAGE? YOU KNOW, DO WE, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR SURE, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A COMPONENT THAT WE COULD TRY TO CONTINUE TO, HOW WE ASK THE QUESTION, HOW WE FRAME THE QUESTION, HOW WE LOOK AT THE DATA TBD. BUT I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD, UM, ONE OF THE, I'LL CALL THE VALUE, MAYBE I'M JUST GONNA START TO GO AROUND SO I CAN KEEP TRACK. I THOUGHT TAPE WAS GONNA GO. OKAY, , THANKS. UM, MY SUGGESTION FOR GREENHOUSE GAS S LIKE, HAS REDUCTION SLASH MITIGATION OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BEEN PRIORITIZED IN THIS PROJECT? BECAUSE I THINK SOME WILL ACTUALLY BE A REDUCTION. SOME JUST NEED TO BE MITIGATED, THE EMISSIONS FROM THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, JUST AN INITIAL SUGGESTION FOR HOW TO INCORPORATE THAT. EXCELLENT. GREAT. I'M JUST GONNA GO AROUND THE ROOM IN HERE AND THEN I'LL GET EVERYBODY ONLINE. UH, FRANCIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, RACHEL? UM, I, IN ADDITION TO, LIKE, DOES IT HAVE LEVERAGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT CAN IT BE DONE OUTSIDE OF BONDS? SO IS THERE ANOTHER SOURCE OR BONDS OR BONDS RESOURCE THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, RACHEL, ARE YOU SAYING THAT LIKE IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT WAY TO FINANCE IT, THAT THAT WOULD BE A LOWER SCORE FROM US? OR, OR THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME BOND FUNDING IN ORDER TO KIND OF GET IT ROLLING OR, I THINK THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS. SO ONE IS, IS INVESTING BONDS IN THIS GOING TO ACCESS A BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL LEVERAGE THAT MAKES THE PROJECT HAPPEN? AND ALSO, ARE BONDS THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS? OR THERE IS ANOTHER SOURCE THAT COULD BE ACCESSED AND BONDS ARE NOT THE MAIN DRIVER AND THIS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED THING? OKAY. SO, SO ONE WOULD SCORE HIGH AND ONE WOULD SCORE LOW. OKAY, COOL. ON, UM, ADDING TO WHAT MR. JACKSON SAID, I THINK WE NEED A, ON ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, LOOK AT THE HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED AREAS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, UH, MS. JOSEPH HAS POINTED OUT ONE ENTITY PROMISED TO DO SOMETHING OR A PREVIOUS BOND PROMISED TO DO SOMETHING AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. CERTAIN AREAS CONTINUE TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, AGAINST OR MARGINALIZED. AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT, IT'LL SAY A LOT ABOUT THIS GROUP. IF WE ARE PART OF THAT PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO PROBABLY SAY, HARD STOP. THIS MONEY NEEDS TO GO TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN MARGINALIZED OR NEGLECTED FOR, OR DISCRIMINATED AGAINST HISTORICALLY. AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT THAT WE REALLY, IF WE SAY WE'RE PROGRESSIVE, WE REALLY NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN THE RIGHT WAY. AND WE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RIGHT REASON. SO I, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, THE A PROPOSAL WOULD BE THAT THAT QUESTION IS MORE FRAMED AND THE VALUE IS THAT AS A GROUP WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE NOT JUST THE FACT THAT THERE, THAT IT'S GEOGRAPHICALLY EQUITABLE, BUT THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY BEING PROACTIVE AND GOING BACK AND REMEDYING THE BRONX WHERE THEY HAVE THE HISTORICAL WRONGS. OKAY. BUT, UH, CERTAIN GEOGRAPHICAL, OR DOESN'T MATTER. YOU DON'T, IT JUST DIDN'T. WELL, I THINK, I AGREE. I'VE [01:20:01] BEEN LISTENING TO MS. JOSEPH PRESENT FOR MANY YEARS MM-HMM . WHEN I'VE BEEN SITTING IN DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS AND EVEN LISTENING TO HER WHEN SHE SPEAKS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. AND IT'S ALSO WITH CAP METRO AND WHEN SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LISTEN AND IF IT'S THIS GROUP THAT WILL FINALLY LISTEN AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND SUPPORT THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, DON'T HAVE A VOICE AND THEY'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE WE'RE PRIVILEGED IN THE SENSE THAT WE CAN BE HERE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY THEY'RE HAVING TO WORK, YOU KNOW? AND WE SHOULD NOT IGNORE THOSE, UM, THAT ARE THE LEAST, THAT ARE CONSIDERED THE LEAST. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. THANK YOU, DONALD. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD? I'M GOING AROUND THE ROOM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BIG QUESTIONS, NICOLE. SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, RIGHT? I FEEL LIKE THE CROSS-CUTTING FILTER THAT WE APPLY SHOULD BE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S THE CRITERIA BEING APPLIED INTO THE, THE PROJECTS THAT GOT ON THE LIST THAT THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, THE, THE STRICT, THE DISCREET CRITERIA THAT OURS COULD BE SORT OF MORE ROLLED UP CRITERIA AND CROSS, YOU KNOW, FOUNDING THAT BALANCE ACROSS THE BOARD IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL PACKAGE AND LOOKING AT BALANCE ACROSS CITY, CURING SOME OF THOSE HISTORICAL CHALLENGES. UM, BUT THE CHALLENGE, SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO CLIMATE. 'CAUSE CLIMATE DOESN'T FIT NEATLY ACROSS ALL THE PROJECTS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS UTILIZED IN SOME OF THE, THE, THE CRITERIA THAT THE DEPARTMENTS UTILIZED TO GET ON THE LIST. AND WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY COME TO SORT OF A KUMBAYA ABOUT HOW CLIMATE IS THIS A CLIMATE PACKAGE OR NOT. UM, AND SO I'M NOT SURE AS TO HOW THAT WOULD SORT OF BE ADDRESSED IN SORT OF THIS CROSS-CUTTING FEATURE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SAY WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WE HIT THE 80% OR 70% OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT THAT IS A CHALLENGE IN MY MIND. BUT THE, ALL THE OTHER THING IS THAT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANNA NECESSARILY CREATE A PORTFOLIO. I'M SAYING WE'RE ADVANCING A PACKAGE, A PORTFOLIO THAT CAN BE DONE WITHIN SIX YEARS. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN PUTTING ON PROJECTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE DONE IN 10, 12 YEARS OUT OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SUCKING UP, YOU KNOW, $400 MILLION OF THE, YOU KNOW, 700 MILLION WE'RE PUTTING UP AND THE PROJECTS THAT WON'T EVEN GET DONE IN THE SIX YEARS. AND SO I WANT US TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, I KNOW THAT THE STAFF SAID THAT THESE ARE PROJECTS SHELF READY, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A MINDFUL EYE THAT, THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE DONE. THEY'RE GONNA ISSUE THESE BONDS, GET THESE PROJECTS DONE IN TIME FOR THE NEXT US TO COME FORWARD IN THE NEXT SIX, SEVEN YEARS TO CREATE THE NEW PACKAGE. AND I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO GO BACK TO TAXPAYERS AND BE ABLE TO SAY, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WERE DONE AND EXECUTED, AND HERE THEY ARE, AND HERE ARE THE DEMONSTRATIONS OF THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO I'D LOVE FOR THAT TO BE SOMEWHAT IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND AS WE CONSIDER THE UNIVERSAL CRITERIA THAT WE CONSIDER. NICOLE TOOK THE WORDS OUTTA MY MOUTH. I WAS GONNA SAY THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ON OUR CRITERIA IS FEASIBILITY, UM, OF PROJECT DELIVERY WITHIN SIX YEARS. LIKE, IS THAT IT, IS THERE A CLEAR PATH TO PROJECT DELIVERY? UM, AND I THINK MANY OF THE PROJECTS DO HAVE THAT. SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL JUST BE A, UM, KIND OF FEEL GOOD FOR US. BUT ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT THERE IS A PROJECT THAT HAS A LONGER TIMELINE THAT, UM, WE, WE CONSIDER THAT AS A BODY AS WELL. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I'M JUST GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION. FOR A PROJECT THAT'S SAY, UM, THEY'LL NEVER BE SHOVEL READY UNTIL THEY GET BOND MONEY TO, TO, TO CREATE THE PLANS , RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THERE ARE THEN OTHER PROJECTS COMING? BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA NEED BOND MONEY JUST TO TRY TO GET TO SHOVEL READY PLANS. HOW DO, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THAT? ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE WOULD NOT, IF WE, IF WE HAD THAT QUESTION, IF IS IT DONE IN SIX YEARS, WE WOULD BASICALLY BE SAYING WE ARE FORECLOSING THE CONCEPT THAT WE WILL FUND ANYTHING, BUT IT'S NOT, HAS CDS PRICED AND PERMITTED KIND OF? WELL, I MEAN, JUST ANECDOTALLY, UM, THERE IS AT LEAST ONE PROJECT THAT STOOD OUT TO ME AS HAVING A PLANNING COMPONENT, UM, WHICH WAS AN A PD PROJECT. AND, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. I'VE, I'VE NEVER SERVED IN THIS CAPACITY BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW, UM, MY, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS THAT ALREADY HAVE HAD THAT PLANNING BECAUSE BONDS ARE NOT THE ONLY MONEY THAT CAN BE SPENT TO PLAN PROJECTS. YEAH. UM, SO, SO THAT, THAT IS MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT. I DO THINK I, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO HEAR OTHER FOLKS WEIGH IN ON WHETHER WE WANT TO, UM, BE, BE THINKING ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE IF, IF THE NAMED OBJECTIVE THAT IS IN THAT IS GOING IN THE BOND IS, [01:25:01] UM, A COMPLETED PLAN TO BUILD SUCH. AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT STILL CAN BE A RESPONSIBLE USE OF, OF MONEY, BUT, UM, RIGHT. AND, AND I, I'LL JUST FOLLOW UP BY SAYING I, I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A DISCRIMINATOR, LIKE RIGHT, YOU PLAN IS FINE, WE HAVE, IT HELPS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE SORT OF THE SUBJECTIVITY OUT OF IT IF IT'S, UM, AGAIN, I'M GONNA, IS THERE A CON A COMMENT ON WHAT SHE SAID? OKAY, ANNA. OH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO, UM, EXPERIENCING PART OF THIS IN EAST AUSTIN, UM, COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ADVOCATING, FOR EXAMPLE, ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE. WE KEPT GETTING TOLD, AND WE WERE ASKING FOR YEARS, WE KEPT GETTING TOLD, NO, CAN'T DO IT. NO CAN DO IT. OH, WE FINALLY CAN DO IT. WE CAN USE SOME BOND MONEY, BUT THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS JUST THE ENGINEERING STUDY. SO THERE ARE TIMES WHEN NOTHING CAN HAPPEN UNTIL YOU HAVE THAT BASELINE ENGINEERING STUDY. AND RIGHT NOW WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT ENGINEERING STUDY. AND ALSO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS WILL NEVER GET DONE BECAUSE THAT'LL BE THE EXCUSE OF, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, IT'S, THERE'S NO PLAN FOR IT. WELL, HELLO, YOU NEED TO FUND FOR THE BASELINE PIECE. AND ALSO JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, THE COUNTER COUNTERPOINT TO THAT IS, AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO SAY, WELL, THERE'S NO IT'S NOT READY, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE. WELL, THAT'LL BE THE EXCUSE THAT WE'LL BE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO USE TO NOT EVER IMPROVE THAT MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY. SO FROM THE STUDY, RIGHT, EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE ENGINEERING STUDY IS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE PLAN READY. WE HAVE TO DO THE ENGINEERING STUDY FIRST, AND THEN YOU CAN START LOOKING AT HOW TO, HOW TO PLAN, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. SO, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHY. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING BACK THAT THAT'S A DEPARTMENT JUST MAKING EXCUSES. IF THEY'RE SAYING THEY CAN ONLY FUND AN ENGINEERING STUDY IF THEY RECEIVE BONDS, LIKE THAT'S NOT, I, I CANNOT IMAGINE WHY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. SO, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE LIMITED FUNDS AND THEY CHOOSE TO STUDY WHAT THEY WANT, BUT FUNDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLIC. I MEAN, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ENGINEERING STUDIES. SO IF THEY'RE NOT TIED TO A FURTHER PROJECT, IT'S LIKE WE'RE BASICALLY APPROVING SOMETHING NOW THAT MIGHT NEVER GET BUILT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE THE MONEY IN THE FUTURE. SO IT'S MAKING A VERY LONG INVESTMENT IN A STUDY THAT ISN'T GONNA RESULT NECESSARILY IN A PROJECT WITHIN PO YOU KNOW, EVER. SO IT'S, IT'S A, THEY HAVE OTHER MONEY. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT'S TAKING PUBLIC, IF IF SOMETHING IS REALLY NEEDED, THEN THEY SHOULD BE FINDING THE MONEY IN THEIR DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT THING. LIKE, YEAH. I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IS HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT COMMUNITY BEEN TOLD? NO, THAT'LL BE THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK. AND HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN ASKING AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY BEEN TOLD NO? AND WHO HAS BEEN SAYING NO? SO I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, STUDIES AND VERSUS CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS AND, AND SOMETIMES THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO IN A, WITH A PARTICULAR BOND PROJECT IS TO SAY, OKAY, THE, THE PROJECT IS TO GET TO X DESIGN, ACTUAL DESIGN ON A PARTICULAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, AND WE'RE GONNA FUND THAT PIECE THROUGH THE BOND TO DO IT, AND THEN PRIORITIZE IT FOR THE NEXT BOND AND, AND SIGNAL THAT LOUD AND CLEAR, LIKE WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING MONEY TO DO IT. UM, BUT, BUT TO DO IT, TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO BE, YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND, AND NOT A FEASIBILITY STUDY. LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING 30% PS AND E RIGHT? AND WHICH COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AND SOMETIMES THERE'S, BUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THAT MONEY IN OTHER PLACES, I'M, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. BUT IF NOT, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THE BOND IS, IS THE WAY TO DO IT. I, I'VE GOT SOME OTHER COMMENTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT PIECE OF DESIGN VERSUS CONSTRUCTION ON THAT SAME TOPIC OR SAME. OKAY. UH, YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IN RESPONSE TO THAT, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE LIST, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I THINK THIS IS RELEVANT, UH, THERE WERE SOME LIKE LARGE FACILITIES ASSET, UH, REQUESTS THAT WERE, UM, THAT THAT ALSO NEXT TO THEM SEEMED TO INCLUDE LIKE LAND ACQUISITION AS A SEPARATE REQUEST, WHICH MEANS THE LAND HASN'T BEEN ACQUIRED TO DO LIKE MASSIVE NEW FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, WHICH KIND OF TO ME SAYS THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE IN, IN AN IMMEDIATE, IN AN EARLY STAGE. SO I THINK REALLY SPEAKING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE EVEN LIKE WHAT SORT OF PHASING COULD BE BROKEN UP INTO SOME OF THESE, LIKE IF YOU HAVEN'T ACQUIRED THE LAND YET, EVEN THAT ALONE, LIKE LAND ENTITLEMENT FOR A MAJOR CIVIC PROJECT IN AUSTIN, THAT'S THE LOAN COULD BE TWO OR THREE YEARS. UM, THEN, THEN, AND THEN DOING YOUR, THE PLANS AND STUDIES. UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A RADICALLY DIFFERENT REQUEST [01:30:01] THAN FULL POURING THE CONCRETE, BUILDING THE BUILDING, UH, IN TERMS OF COSTS. SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A WAY I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE. IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS SEEMS LIKE A GREAT PROJECT THAT'S NEEDED IN THE AREA. IT ALSO KIND OF JUST LOOKS LIKE IT HASN'T, THIS IS VERY EARLY IN THE STAGES. UM, AND I WAS ALSO GONNA SAY ANOTHER, AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DIVERSIONS I DIDN'T THINK TO SAY BEFORE, BUT ANOTHER THING I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE IS IN DEPARTMENTAL AND PROGRAMMATIC AREAS, LIKE FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR FACILITIES, IF THERE HAS BEEN RECENT HEAVY ALLOCATION FOR SIMILAR FACILITIES FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS, UH, IN THE LAST BOND CYCLE, OR IN LIKE MOST, MORE IMMEDIATE FUNDING THAT LIKE, MAY, MAY SUGGEST THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED IT IMMEDIATELY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE LIKE ASKING FOR LEND MONEY AND HAVE THE FULL, THE FULL BUDGET AND NOT, IT'S NOT PHASED OR ANYTHING. IT'S LIKE, WELL CONSIDER THAT AS WELL. OKAY. I'M COMING AROUND TO CHARLES. I THINK WE MIGHT HEAR FROM CAPITAL PROJECTS MANAGEMENT ABOUT HOW THE CITY DOES BOND PROJECTS THAT WOULD INFORM THIS DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR THING BECAUSE THERE'S ALMOST NO PROJECT ON THIS LIST THAT IS LITERALLY SHOVEL READY. ALMOST EVERY PROJECT ON THIS LIST IS GOING TO USE BOND MONEY TO DO THE ENGINEERING, ET CETERA. BUT, BUT MAYBE OF COURSE. WELCOME ON. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. UM, KARA BOYLES, CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES DIRECTOR. I THINK, UM, YOUR DISCUSSION'S GREAT. IT, IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF DEPARTMENTS WERE ABLE TO FUND, IF ALL DEPARTMENTS WERE ABLE TO FUND, UM, PRELIMINARY WORK OUTSIDE OF THE BOND AND BE READY FOR SHOVEL READY. BUT THE REALITY IS, IT'S TRUE, YOU KNOW, SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENTS, UM, SHARED SERVICES, THOSE TYPES OF, UM, DEPARTMENTS DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF REVENUE SOMETIMES TO BE OUT IN FRONT AND HAVE, UM, PROJECTS READY TO GO AS WE LIKE TO DESCRIBE SHOVEL READY. SO, BUT THERE ARE, UM, A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS ON THE, UM, INITIAL PROJECT REQUEST LIST, THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT YOU HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, UM, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT PROJECTS IS READY. UM, THEY'RE SIMPLY WAITING FOR BOND FUNDING TO, UM, GO FORWARD. UM, AND A LOT OF THE WATERSHED PROJECTS ARE, UM, SHOVEL READY AS WELL. SO THERE ARE SOME, SO WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS DISCUSSING THIS IDEA OF IS THERE A MECHANISM IN THE BOND TO, UM, GET PROJECTS TO THAT PLACE? SO SORT OF AN ADVANCED PLANNING, ADVANCED DESIGN, SO BEING ABLE TO FUND THEM. AND, AND THAT IS, THAT IS A WAY TO LOOK AT HOW YOU CAN GET PROJECTS READY. SO THEY'RE, UM, MOVING THROUGH A POP PIPELINE AND THEY'RE READY FOR THAT NEXT BOND IN 2032. SO, THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT LAST, YOUR LAST STATEMENT. ALRIGHT, SO WE WERE DOING THING BOND ELECTIONS ON AND EVERY SIX YEAR SCHEDULE, AND THE CURRENT ONE IS EIGHT YEARS, RIGHT? 2018 TO 2026. SO IS THAT, ARE YOU THINKING THAT WE WILL GO BACK TO AN EVERY SIX YEAR SCHEDULE? YES. THE, THE IDEAL, UM, BOND CYCLE IS FOR COMPREHENSIVE BOND PACKAGES EVERY SIX YEARS. AND THAT IS THROUGH COUNCIL DIRECTION. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE GOAL THAT BY THE TIME WE GO FOR OUR NEXT BOND ELECTION IN 2032, UH, THE MAJORITY OF PROJECTS WOULD BE, UH, COMPLETE OR IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE. CHARLES, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT TO THE OVERALL SORT OF VALUE QUESTIONS? YES, I, I'VE GOT A REAL MUNDANE QUESTION THAT I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH. SO MOST OF THE RANKING OR CRITERIA THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR HAS HAD CRITERIA, VALUES, AND THEN A RANGE OF POINTS. SO THEY COME UP WITH A NUMERICAL RANKING, AND I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THESE YES, NO QUESTIONS THEN FIT. HOW DO THE, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU COMBINE THE YES, NO QUESTION WITH A NUMERICAL RANKING. I'M JUST HAVING TROUBLE VISUALIZING IT. FRANCIS IS KIND OF MUMBLING OVER. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA SAY ? I MEAN, WELL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS [01:35:01] A LOT, SO I'M HAPPY TO STEP IN IF YOU DON'T MIND. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, WE BRIEFLY MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING IS THAT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK THIS IS THE MOST LIVELY DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD THAT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD, IS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT A NUMERIC NUMBER ON THEM. SO MAYBE WE DON'T SAY YES OR NO. I THINK THAT'S WHY MARY WAS SAYING WE MIGHT NOT BE SAYING YES OR NO. MAYBE IT'S A DISCUSSION, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. AND I, I'M VERY NERVOUS TO PUT A NUMBER TO SOME OF THESE MORE. I MEAN, THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF SUBJECTIVE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THIS GROUP TO KIND OF NAVIGATE OVER THESE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO IT. IT'S HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS? HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE THESE DECISIONS? SO NOTHING SET IN STONE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO NEED TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT. YEAH. I, I THINK THIS IS TRYING TO ESTABLISH OUR VALUES, HOW, HOW THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT FOR THE PACKAGE, HOW WE, AND IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF NUMERICAL SYSTEM OR WE HAVE A VOTING OR YOU GET FIVE YESES, I THINK WE'RE STILL, AND WITH, WITH EVERYBODY'S INPUTS, STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT PIECE. IT'S A REALLY, REALLY GOOD POINT. BUT I THINK TRYING TO AT LEAST GET TO WHERE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS OR A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF, OF HOW, OF WHAT THOSE CATEGORIES ARE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO FAR WE'VE HAD, LIKE, I'M REALLY, REALLY PLEASED WITH THE DISCUSSION SO FAR. I THINK WE'RE HEADED TO GETTING TO THERE, BUT, UH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT SORT OF THE FOREFRONT HOW WE TURN THESE VALUES INTO SOMETHING THAT WILL ALLOW US TO GO TO 670 MILLION WITH CONSENSUS. OKAY. AND IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS, , I MEAN, I, I, ANYONE, WELL, I THINK THAT HAVING THESE VALUES AS THE THINGS TO DISCUSS AND THEN EACH WORKING GROUP CAN SORT OF FIGURE OUT HOW TO APPLY THEM. SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE ON THE FACILITIES GROUP AND IT, I THINK A RANKING NUMBERS THING MIGHT BE REALLY USEFUL BECAUSE IT'S AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND THEY'RE DISCRETE PROJECTS. WHEREAS ANOTHER GROUP, IT MIGHT BE MORE WHEN THE WORKING GROUP COMES BACK, THEY'RE SAYING, HERE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND HERE'S WHY USING THIS CRITERIA. BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LIKE, THIS ONE GOT FIVE POINTS AND THIS ONE GOT, SO I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW THAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITY PER WORKING GROUP SINCE THE PROJECTS ARE SO DIFFERENT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. NOT THAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT WE HAD TO, BUT WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION IN OUR FACILITIES WORKING GROUP OF LIKE, DO WE HAVE TO ALL RANK? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? AND IT SEEMS VERY CHALLENGING IF EVERYONE'S GONNA BE TURNING IN RANKED LISTS, AND PARTICULARLY FOR SOME OF US WHO ONLY HAVE A FEW PROJECTS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO RIGHT. AND JUST TO REITERATE, I THINK THE IDEA WAS THE WORKING GROUPS MIGHT HAVE SCORING BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT THEY DEVELOP, THEY TAKE THE CITIES OR WHATEVER, RIGHT, EXACTLY. HOW WE THEN SCORE THESE BIGGER CONVERSATIONS. TPD, UM, WE'VE BEEN AROUND DAVE. YEAH. WELL, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD BE THINKING IN TERMS OF EIGHT YEARS INSTEAD OF SIX YEARS. BUT IN THE, IN THE QUESTION ABOUT IS THE PROJECT GOING TO BE, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN SIX YEARS, CAN THIS BE DONE IN EIGHT YEARS? ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT? RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD BE, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO A SIX YEAR PROJECT. THE OTHER POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION OF, UM, WHETHER THIS IS, WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE FACILITIES. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU PUT A, A LIBRARY IN A PLACE WHERE, UH, RIGHT NOW PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 10 MILES TO GO TO A LIBRARY AND YOU PUT A LIBRARY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE GONNA CUT DOWN ON HOW FAR PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL. SO THERE IS A GREEN ELEMENT TO FACILITIES BEING PLACED IN AREAS THAT ARE, UH, UNDERSERVED. SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO, UH, PUT THAT INTO THE, THE FORMULA. MM-HMM . OKAY. HAYDEN? YEAH, I HAD TWO THOUGHTS. ONE WAS, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS LIST TOGETHER, . I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL. THE OTHER ONE WAS, UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF PROGRAMS, AND I'LL USE SIDEWALKS AGAIN AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I KNOW THE MOST ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THOSE PROGRAMMATIC FUNDS ARE ALSO TIED TO PLANNING. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. THERE ARE ADOPTED PLANS FOR LIKE THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM. SO JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T DO PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PLANS FOR SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT EFFICIENT. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT FOR PROGRAMS LIKE THAT. BUT THERE IS COUNCIL ADOPTED PLANS IN THERE ARE COUNCIL ADOPTED PLANS IN PLACE. AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROGRAMMATIC MONEY, I JUST WANNA BE SURE WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE JUST, THEY OPERATE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, BUT THEY'RE, THEY ARE PLANNED PROJECTS AND SYSTEMS AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATE MAPS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT FUNDING. [01:40:01] ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF SITTING THIS FAR DOWN THE TABLE IS THAT BY THE TIME IT GETS TO ME, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY KIND OF SAID ANYTHING THAT I COULD HAVE THOUGHT OF IN A MUCH BETTER WAY. UM, UH, BUT I, I JUST WANNA HAMMER HOME, I THINK HAYDEN'S POINT AS WELL, WHICH IS, UH, SIMPLY THAT, UM, IT ALSO TIED TO LIKE DONALD'S TENSION THAT EMERGED EARLIER TOO, WHERE IT'S LIKE, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THE GEOGRAPHIC IMPACTS OF PROGRAMMATIC, UM, UH, FUNDING OPTIONS. AND I, I THINK THOSE, THOSE COUNCIL APPROVED PLANS TIE PRETTY NEATLY TO MAPS OF THE CITY AND SORT OF, UH, THE, THE SPATIAL IMPACT OF SOME OF THESE FUNDING. UM, UH, THINGS AS WELL. SO NOT AS DISCREET AND EASY TO MAP OUT, BUT LIKE THERE ARE MAPS AND A LOT OF THESE VISION, UM, PLANS AND, UH, AND THE, AND THESE STRATEGIC PLANS. UM, AND I JUST ALSO WANNA PICK UP ON DAVID GABE'S POINTS TO YOU ON REALLY PULLING CLIMATE. I THINK AS A VALUE, THE MORE EXPLICITLY THAN JUST KIND OF RESILIENCE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. ONE QUESTION, MAYBE WE COULD ADD TO OUR LIST, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A QUESTION, IT'S A GIVEN, BUT DOES, IS THE PROJECT SUPPORTED BY A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN? RIGHT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN, THEORETICALLY IN THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGETING, FUTURE PLANNING. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO EXECUTE THAT. OKAY. SORRY GARY. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT HAVE, HAVE BEEN MENTIONED OR SHOWN ON THE LIST, BUT I JUST WANNA EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THOSE, UH, THE, THE CONCEPT OF PROJECTS THAT SERVE MULTIPLE BENEFITS. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN FAVOR OF THAT. I THINK THAT'S A WISE WAY TO SPEND PUBLIC DOLLARS AND, UM, AND GET COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR PARTICULAR PROJECTS. SO I I LIKE THAT ONE VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, UM, THAT RACHEL ASKED, WHICH IS, UM, IS THE BOND THE BEST WAY TO FUND THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM OR PROJECT AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ARE TO ADVANCE THINGS? A A BOND, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT COMES ALONG EVERY FEW YEARS. AND, UM, AND I'M CERTAINLY MORE INCLINED TO FAVOR PROJECTS THAT HAVE FIT THAT FUNDING MODEL THAT ARE CAPITAL KIND OF PROJECTS. UH, I'M, I'M LESS INTERESTED IN PROGRAMMATIC, UH, COSTS, UH, BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME THINGS LIKE SIDEWALKS, THAT'S A, A PROGRAM THAT IS, HAS, IS A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF FITS THE BOND A LITTLE MORE CLEANLY IN MY HEAD FOR THAT. BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS THIS IS WHERE HAS, WHERE'S PUBLIC, HAS PUBLIC MONEY ALREADY BEEN SPENT ON THIS, THIS PROJECT? SO HAS, HAS MONEY BEEN SPENT IN A PREVIOUS BOND? SO ANNA, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ALREADY SOME PLANNING MONEY OR STUDY MONEY DONE FOR SOMETHING. WELL THEN I'D BE MORE IN INTERESTED IN THAT, UM, TO SEE THAT TO COMPLETION, SINCE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN PUBLIC INVESTMENT IN THAT, PUBLIC DOLLARS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPENT. UM, SO I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THINKING ABOUT HOW THOSE PROJECTS COULD BE GIVEN MORE WEIGHT. UH, UH, KEN, I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE CLIMATE, THE CLIMATE IMPACTS AND, AND AS WELL. THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, A LOT OF THE LAST COUPLE OF OF SESSIONS, LIKE HOW DO YOU GET TO A NUMBER OR A CHECK MARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A COMPREHENSIVE BOND THAT DOES TAKE CLIMATE INTO CONSIDERATION. AND, UM, AND SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN PROJECTS THAT REFLECTED THAT. AND THEN FINALLY THE QUESTION ABOUT TIMELINE. UM, WE HEAR SHOVEL READY AND PROJECT READY, BUT IN MY, MY THINKING, WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE BOND CYCLE READY, LIKE WHATEVER IT IS. SO THAT IT MAY BE THAT THE BOND IS GOING TO PROVIDE PSNE MONEY AND THEN GET TO CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE COMPLETED IN THESE SIX YEARS, WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE. AND THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. AND WE'LL SEE IT FROM THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION IF THIS IS A, UM, A, A BOND CYCLE READY PROJECT. OKAY. CAN WE GO ONLINE? ANY, ANY, UH, ONE WANT TO COMMENT ONLINE, BUT YEP. LUKE? YEAH, SURE. JUST TO ALSO ADD MY VOICE, UH, NOT SURPRISINGLY FOR CLIMATE, UH, IN MAKING SURE THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PACKAGE AS A WHOLE DOESN'T MAKE, UH, THE SITUATION WORSE THAN IF WE WEREN'T TO DO IT AT ALL. AND, UH, SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A HEALTHY BALANCE OF PROJECTS THAT WILL REDUCE EMISSIONS, UH, HOPEFULLY MORE THAN, AND THAN OFFSETTING PROJECTS THAT MIGHT INCREASE EMISSIONS. AND, UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW DO YOU BEST DO THAT? UH, I WOULD OF COURSE LOVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS, BUT I THINK WE COULD DO A PRETTY RUDIMENTARY ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE WHETHER PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, ARE A NET POSITIVE FOR CLIMATE OR A NET NEGATIVE FOR CLIMATE. LUKE, CAN I JUST ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE KIND OF CIRCLED AROUND THAT ISSUE HERE ON, IN A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABILITY OF, UM, [01:45:01] THAT METRIC, THE AVAILABILITY OF DOING THE KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO, TO, TO, TO MAKE THIS, DOES IT MAKE IT WORSE OR IS IT MAKING IT BETTER? DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON HOW, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAPPY TO KIND OF TRY TO HELP. HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? WHAT IS, DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL? WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT I SUGGESTED LAST TIME WAS, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS FOLLOWING THE SAME APPROACH THAT THE, UH, CLIMATE RESILIENCE OFFICE DID, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ZERO TO FOUR, ZERO TO FIVE KIND OF METRIC, EXCEPT INSTEAD OF, UH, JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY JUST LOOK AT KIND OF NAMED PROJECTS ON THAT AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, UH, SUSTAINABILITY OR, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THE WAY UP TO FULL ON, YOU KNOW, LEAD PLATINUM KIND OF BUILDING. BUT I THINK WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SAY NEGATIVE TWO, YOU KNOW, ASSIGN A PROJECT A SCALE OF NEGATIVE TWO TO POSITIVE TWO. IF IT, WE THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA INCREASE EMISSIONS, GIVE IT A NEGATIVE TWO. IF IT'S NEUTRAL, IT GETS A ZERO. IF IT'S GOING TO, UM, REDUCE EMISSIONS SIGNIFICANTLY, WE GIVE IT A PLUS TWO, RIGHT? AND THEN WE CAN ASSIGN EVERY PROJECT THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING A NUMBER AND THAT WE ADD ALL THOSE NUMBERS UP. AND IT NEEDS TO AT LEAST AT EQUAL ZERO, OR I GUESS POSITIVE, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT, NEGATIVE, POSITIVE, UH, BUT MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AS, AS A PACKAGE, THE, THE IT, IT DOES NOT, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE. BUT HOW DO WE GET THAT EMISSION, HAVE THE EMISSIONS DATA? LIKE HOW DO YOU PROPOSE THAT WE DO THAT BY PROJECT? BECAUSE I, I THINK I HEARD THAT WAS NOT GONNA BE POSSIBLE, BUT I, BUT I, I'M INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHT. WELL, YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR, YOU KNOW, I, I PO POSED THIS QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING OF WHAT ABOUT JUST A REAL BASIC, YOU KNOW, STANDARD LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE TO FIVE KIND OF RATING AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THIS MILLION METRIC TONS, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF DETAILED NUMBER. UH, AND I NEVER HEARD BACK FROM, FROM ZACH OR ANYBODY, WHETHER THEY, THAT KIND OF MORE RUDIMENTARY APPROACH AT LEAST WOULD BE POSSIBLE. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT WE COULD DO THAT. OKAY. DO YOU, COULD I ASK A FAVOR OF YOU? WOULD YOU SEND AN EMAIL JUST TO ZACH SO WE CAN, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO KIND OF CLOSE THE LOOP ON WHAT IS AVAILABLE OR GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO US IN TERMS OF THAT METRIC. AND I WOULD, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET AN ANSWER. WILL DO. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE WANNA ADD TO THE LIST OF BIG QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ASKING? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ONLINE. ANYONE IN THE ROOM CAN, YEAH, I JUST HAD A DIRECT, UM, KIND OF A RESPONSE AND, AND JUST, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE CLIMATE IMPACT. I THINK A HEURISTIC COULD BE GOOD, BUT IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE ANALYTICAL, THAT MIGHT BE NICE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY, LIKE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE REALLY RIGOROUS WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A WAY OF JUST ASSUMING THAT SOME THINGS ARE GONNA HAVE A HIGH CLIMATE IMPACT VERSUS OTHERS WITHOUT TAKING EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT. THIS, THIS HAS COME UP IN THE HOUSING, UH, WORKING GROUP DISCUSSION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE MOST, IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AS OBVIOUSLY LIKE CLIMATE IMPACTED IN, IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS, BUT WHAT WE'RE, BUT THERE ARE, THERE, WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS, THE CITY HAS, THERE'S PRIORITIZATION FOR DOING INFILL, FOR LOCATING NEAR TRANSIT, FOR DOING THINGS THAT HAVE REALLY BIG IMPACTS LONG TERM IN TERMS OF BOTH EQUITY AND CLIMATE IMPACT IN AN EQUITABLE WAY THAT WE JUST HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL. WE'RE LIKE THINKING BROADLY ABOUT IT AND NOT JUST GOING FOR, UM, SIMPLE UNDER, NOT SIMPLE, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE ACCOUNT FOR IT IN LIKE A HOLISTIC WAY FOR, FOR THESE TYPES OF INITIATIVES. OKAY. KABA? YEAH, THANKS. UM, I DID JUST WANNA, UM, UPLIFT THE, UH, CODY SCOTT WITH THE PUBLIC LIBRARIES DID A PRESENTATION FOR THE FACILITIES AND ASSETS WORKING GROUP AND, UH, REALLY PROVIDED A MUCH MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. AND I THINK MAYBE EVEN WENT INTO SOME OTHERS THAT DEFINITELY ON THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BENEFITS SIDE. UM, SO I, I WOULD JUST URGE FOLKS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DELVE DEEPER BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE SOME STAFF PRESENTATIONS HAVE NOT INCLUDED THAT DATA, DOES NOT MEAN IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET IT IS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STAFF LIKE CODY, UH, IN THE CITY THAT CAN DO A LOT OF THAT WORK. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT LIKE, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE, WE NEED TO KIND OF DEMAND THAT, THAT WE BE GIVEN THIS INFORMATION, THIS WAS PART OF OUR FUNDAMENTAL CHARGE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS CLIMATE IN THIS BOND PACKAGE. AND IF WE'RE NOT GIVEN THE INFORMATION, WE, WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT IF IN [01:50:01] THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY. SO ANYWAY, CODY SCOTT DID A GREAT JOB ON HIS PRESENTATION AND, AND, AND THE ANALYSIS BEHIND IT AND I THINK IS PROBABLY WILLING TO HELP SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THANK YOU. UM, YES, ANA, UM, I WANTED TO ADD ONE THING TO ALSO THINK ABOUT IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DID NOT DO SOMETHING? SO FOR EXAMPLE, CLIMATE CHANGE IS INEVITABLE. IT'S HAPPENING, BUT IF WE NEGLECT THEN IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED. FOR EXAMPLE, THE MICRO BIRTHS THAT WE EXPERIENCED EARLIER THIS YEAR, THERE WAS SU SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD IT WOULD HIT THAT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD SUSTAIN SERIOUS DAMAGE OR EVEN CATASTROPHIC, YOU KNOW, LOSS OF LIFE. SO I THINK SOME OF THESE IS, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE AS WELL? SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THE CLIMATE CLIMATE PERSPECTIVE, FROM THAT ANGLE AS WELL. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE THIS TOPIC ON ANOTHER AGENDA COMING. THIS IS KIND OF A WORK IN PROGRESS. UM, WHAT I WOULD ASK IS MAYBE WE, UM, SO I, I WILL SEND AROUND THAT LIST THAT I PUT TOGETHER. I HAVE NO PRIDE IN OWNERSHIP OR WHAT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS GROUP TO SEND ME AN EMAIL, TWEAK THOSE QUESTIONS. WE'VE HAD NEW QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED TODAY JUST TO SORT OF KEEP MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION TO GET US TO THESE, UM, BIG QUESTIONS WE WANNA ANSWER. I THINK PUTTING ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH, MAYBE ITS OWN AGENDA ITEM TO SORT OF TRY TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION OF THE CLIMATE. IS THAT AN OVERARCHING, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS THAT? I DON'T, UM, I STILL THINK WE HAVE, UH, MORE INFORMATION TO GATHER ON THAT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE THE, THE TOOLS TO TO, TO AN ANALYZE IT. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WHETHER WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE DATA THAT WE, WE THINK WE MIGHT NEED. UM, SO I WILL PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH THE CONTINUED CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE BIG QUESTIONS, THESE VALUE QUESTIONS. I'LL ALSO PUT ON THE AGENDA, UM, SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE QUESTION. UM, BUT I THINK THAT IS THE, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S DISCUSSION TODAY. I THINK WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THIS, THESE QUESTIONS. SO, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT FINAL AGENDA ITEM FOR NOW? NO. OKAY. UH, I MENTIONED A COUPLE [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO WORK ON NEXT MONTH TO ADD TO THE AGENDA? I HAVE A NOTE THAT WE WANT THE FINANCE TO COME BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NOVEMBER, I MEAN OCTOBER OR IF IT'S AFTER THE TRE THOUGHTS ON THAT? WE NEED THE CONTENT FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CONTENT. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, I AT LEAST WE AT LEAST NEED TO. SO YOU'LL COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH CONTENT DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE CONTENT IS THE ENGAGEMENT, BUT I'M SAYING IF, IF PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO SHARE, I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT WE NEED TO SHARE, IT NEEDS TO BE NEW. SO IT MIGHT JUST BE MORE ABOUT GETTING INFORMATION FROM THE FINANCE AS IT IS, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE DON'T NEED PRESENTATION. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LIKE IF WE DON'T NEED A PRESENTATION, I THINK THAT'S FINE 'CAUSE WE'LL NEED MORE INFORMATION THAN FROM THEM OVER THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS. IT MIGHT MAYBE JUST BE AN EMAIL FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS PURPOSE. WOULD THE GROUP LIKE TO HEAR FROM FINANCE IN A PRESENTATION OR ARE YOU GOOD WITH IT'D BE GREAT TO GET IT UPDATED. I MEAN, YEAH, WE GOT NEW PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, APPRAISAL VALUES. I MEAN, IF THEY COULD UPDATE THE VALUES AND GET 'EM TO US, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PRESENT, BUT IS IT THE SAME 600 MILLION? ARE WE TALKING LIKE ANY LITTLE PIECE OF MILLIONS HELPS US? SO I'M HEARING IT'S JUST AN UPDATE OF JUST THE, THE TARGET, NOT BOND AMOUNT, ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE ON THE HORIZON IMPACTING THAT. AND HOPEFULLY I CAN HAVE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE THINK MIGHT, WE MIGHT WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE ANSWERED FOR THE MEETING. OKAY. KARA? UH, I, I'LL TELL YOU, I'LL UM, I'LL CLARIFY AND UM, WE'LL SEND YOU AN UPDATE IN THE JULY 1ST MEMO TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE DEBT CAPACITY AND SO WE CAN SEND THAT TO YOU ALL AND THAT'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE. UM, THAT SLIDE SAID IT WAS $14 AND 26 CENTS PER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF BOND. SO THAT WOULD BE THE TAX IMPACT. AND I THINK AFTER THE TRE, THE PLAN WAS FOR FSD TO COME AND GIVE YOU A REVISED PRESENTATION. SO PROBABLY IN DECEMBER. SO END OF NOVEMBER, WELL I THINK IT WOULD BE IN DECEMBER. OH, IS THAT YOUR LAST MEETING? NO, IN DECEMBER AFTER THE TRE ELECTION. SO THEY CAN RERUN. OH, OUR MEETING'S AT THE END OF NOVEMBER. AND THE TRE'S AT THE BEGINNING. I WAS THINKING YOU COULD COME END OF NOVEMBER. DO YOU HAVE IT SCHEDULED DATE? IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER, SO IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THAT FIRST. WELL, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER, BUT IT'S AN EARLY MEETING BECAUSE IT'S MOVING UP, SO OKAY. DECEMBER WE CAN WORK ON IT. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN MAYBE THAT POTENTIALLY MEANS THE MONEY IMPACT MIGHT BE, NEED [01:55:01] TO BE MORE ADDRESSED IN THE MEETINGS IN JANUARY. IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ADD THE TRE IMPLICATIONS, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE GIVING INFORMATION THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY USEFUL TO THE PUBLIC THAT, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE. WE COULD USE THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION WE HAVE AT THE TIME WE GO TO THE PUBLIC. YEAH. WHICH MIGHT BE THE JULY YEAH. INFORMATION. OKAY. ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY. UH OH, DO WE CHAIR? OH, SORRY. THANK YOU DEWEY. THAT'S OKAY. UM, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A SUB BULLET TO THE PRESENTATION BY FINANCE. I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE THIS MORNING THAT AUSTIN'S, UM, RATING AS A CITY IMPROVED SOMEHOW. AND SO I'M CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THAT THEN LOWERS OUR INTEREST RATE FOR THIS BOND AND SOMEHOW MAKES MORE MONEY AVAILABLE OR JUST WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT IMPROVED RATING IS. I'M NOT SMART IN THESE THINGS . MIMI, NEITHER. SO I'LL ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF QUESTIONS TO ASK. IT IS TRUE OUR BOND RATING IS NOW AAA. YES. OKAY, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOVE. ALL IN FAVOR? WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.