Oct 07, 2025 Urban Transportation

WE MIGHT DO SOMETHING AT THE END ANYWAY, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

OH.

OH MY GOSH.

WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER KEVIN CHEN, DISTRICT SIX.

UM, I'M CHAIR SUMMERS FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

I'M HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER DANIEL KAMAN, OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN FROM DISTRICT FIVE HERE.

NOT HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER RIN PSAD FROM DISTRICT SEVEN.

CAN YOU TEST YOUR MIC OUT FOR US? CAN WE HEAR YOU? UH, THERE WE'RE, HELLO.

AWESOME.

UM, COMMISSIONER JACOBSON.

UH, JUSTIN JACOBSON FROM DISTRICT EIGHT.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

UH, VICE CHAIR SCHUMACHER FROM DISTRICT NINE HERE.

COMMISSIONER.

UH, JOSHUA SOREN FROM DISTRICT 10, NOT HERE.

AND COMMISSIONER DERAN BROWN FROM OUR MAYORAL APPOINTEE HERE.

AGENDA IS, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ON GENERAL TOPICS.

WITH THAT IS ALWAYS OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

THESE ARE TOPICS NOT ON, UM, NOT RELATING TO A POSTED AGENDA ITEM.

AND I BELIEVE WE JUST HAVE, UM, ONE SPEAKER TODAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I ACTUALLY SHOULD PICK UP THE LIST.

I THINK IT'S OVER THERE, , BUT I'LL GO GET IT.

I'LL, BUT I KNOW YOU, SO I CAN CALL ON YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, NOT COMMISSIONER, BUT, UH, PHILIP WILEY, TAKE IT AWAY.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

UT MALL AND REPUBLIC SQUARE.

AGAIN, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AND, UM, I WAS HERE LAST MONTH AND PROMISED I'D BE BACK AND WOULD, SO I'LL TRY TO WRAP IT UP IN THREE MINUTES.

THIS, AGAIN, IS FROM NEW YORK CITY.

THIS IS A MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT CHART.

NEXT ONE, PLEASE.

THIS IS FROM SEATTLE.

UH, THEY'RE EQUIVALENT TO THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE.

UM, PRODUCE THIS CHART, WHICH SHOWS, BASICALLY IT'S A BENCHMARK ON, ON THEIR PRODUCTION LEVEL OF TOWERS VERSUS OTHER CITIES.

UM, AND IT SHOWS THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THE WEST COAST RELATED TO MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF TOWERS.

AND, UH, AUSTIN HAS SOME CATCHING UP TO DO IN THAT AREA.

UM, NEXT CHART, PLEASE.

SO, I WENT BACK AND LISTENED TO WHAT I SAID LAST MONTH, AND MY INTRODUCTION WASN'T VERY HELPFUL.

I'M, UH, I AM A, UH, SUPPLY CHAIN PLANNING FELLOW.

THAT'S THE REASON I'M HERE, NOT JUST BECAUSE I LIVE DOWNTOWN AND I'M INTERESTED IN TRANSIT AND, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SPECIFICALLY MY AREAS OF SPECIALIZATION WE'RE SUPPLY, UH, SUPPLY AND DEMAND BALANCING, AND THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, TRANSIT AND OPERATIONAL ASSETS WITH LIKE, HOUSING, LIKE OFFICES, LIKE PARKS, LIKE STORES, JUST THE, THE WAY THAT THE SYSTEMS WORK.

THOSE ARE TWO AREAS, UM, THAT I SPECIALIZE IN.

I CAN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT QUANTUM MECHANICS OR CHEMISTRY OR A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, BUT THOSE ARE AREAS I HAVE A LOT OF DEPTH IN.

UM, AT, AT WHAT, WHAT I'M DOING IS SOMETHING CALLED SCM 8 61, WHICH IS SORT OF LIKE A, A GRADUATE LEVEL SEMINAR IN SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT, AS APPLICABLE TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN AUSTIN FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS RELATED, BUT DIFFERENT.

AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE AS WE GO THROUGH TIME.

UM, THIS CHART MAY BE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL CHART.

I I WAS IN PLANNING FOR MANY YEARS, AND THIS MAY BE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL CHART I'VE EVER PRODUCED.

AND I, I, SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT BEHIND IT IS.

IT'S TRYING TO SHOW THAT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, WE HAVE ONE AREA WHERE THERE ARE 1200 BUSES A DAY THAT TRAN THAT GO BETWEEN, AND THAT'S BETWEEN THE

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THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THE STATE.

THE CLOSEST SECOND WE HAVE IS IN HOUSTON ON WESTHEIMER.

WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE RIDING THE BUSES IN OUR SECTION, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

SO WHEN WE DID PROJECT CONNECT, THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE LINE WERE BOTH RUNNING TOGETHER THROUGH THIS SECTION.

THAT WAS THE ONLY PART OF TOWN.

WOW.

THAT'S THREE MINUTES.

WELL, I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.

FEEL FREE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW, I THINK YOU MAYBE DID SEND ANY FOLLOW UP, UH, DATA TO US, BUT WE'LL WELCOME YOU BACK AGAIN.

ONE ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, UH, 2025.

UM, THAT TAKES US TO ITEM

[1. Approve the minutes of the Urban Transportation Commission REGULAR MEETING on September 2, 2025.]

COMMISSIONERS YOU DO HAVE IN, IN YOUR PACKET.

IT WAS ALSO CIRCULATED IN ADVANCE.

UM, THOSE ITEMS, UH, THAT DRAFT, IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT MINUTES.

ANY DISCUSSION? AMENDMENTS? CORRECTIONS.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

THEN WE HAVE SEVERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS. UM, SO, UM, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THOSE.

I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THAT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS CIRCULATE.

UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY, AYE, LOOKS LIKE THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

I SEE BOTH HANDS ONLINE.

SO THAT DOES, UH, TAKE US THROUGH THAT.

UM,

[2. Discussion and presentation regarding the Great Springs Project. Presenter: Mikey Goralnik, Great Springs Project ]

SO THE FIRST IS ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION REGARDING THE GREAT SPRINGS PROJECT.

HI, HOW'S IT GOING? IS IT RIGHT OR LEFT? UH, IT SHOULD BE RIGHT.

UM, HOW ARE YOU EVERYBODY? GOOD TO SEE MANY OF YOU AGAIN.

UH, MY NAME IS MIKEY NIK.

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND A PLANNER AT GREAT SPRINGS PROJECT.

UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS ALMOST EXACTLY A YEAR AGO THAT I WAS HERE, UH, TO SHARE ABOUT THE GREAT SPRINGS PROJECT WITH MANY OF YOU.

AND, UM, YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO INVITE ME BACK TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING FOR THE PAST YEAR.

AND, UM, I THEN REALIZED THAT I HAD MAYBE 10 MINUTES TO GO THROUGH THAT UPDATE.

SO INSTEAD OF PRESENTING ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE MANY THINGS THAT WE'RE PROUD OF TO SHARE, UH, OVER THE LAST YEAR, SPECIFICALLY IN AUSTIN, UM, I DECIDED TO FOCUS INSTEAD ON WHAT OUR, OUR TEAM, OUR PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN DOING ON THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER TRAIL.

UM, BUT, UH, THERE'S TONS OF OTHER SLIDES IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT CAN BE USED BOTH TO EXPAND ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON THE RIVER CORRIDOR, BUT ALSO ON, UM, GREAT SPRINGS PROJECTS WORK, UH, IN OTHER PLACES IN AUSTIN, UH, AND IN AUSTIN'S, UM, URBAN TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, UH, OVER THE PAST YEAR, ESPECIALLY ALONG ONION CREEK AND WILLIAMSON CREEK.

SO, IF THERE'S TIME, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BUT, UH, YEAH.

LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RIVER TRIO.

AND LET ME ALSO SAY, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU, UM, WHO MAY HAVE NOT, WHO DON'T REMEMBER, OR FOR ANY NEW, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, THE GRAY SPRINGS PROJECT, WE'RE A REGIONAL ORGANIZATION BASED IN AUSTIN.

UM, WE WORK THROUGHOUT THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE BETWEEN AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO.

WE DO TWO THINGS.

WE, UH, ACCELERATE CONSERVATION PROJECTS THAT ENHANCE THE QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF WATER GOING INTO THE EDWARDS AQUIFER.

AND WE'RE BUILDING, UH, A TRAIL ALONG WITH MANY PARTNERS TO CONNECT THE ALAMO TO THE CAPITAL, UH, VIA THE FORWARD GREAT SPRINGS.

AND PART OF OUR NETWORK INCLUDES THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER TRAIL.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

AND ALSO, ACTUALLY, LET ME FIRST SAY, UH, MY, TO MY IMMENSE OVERSIGHT, I DIDN'T CREDIT THIS PHOTO PROPERLY.

UH, JOHN EASTMAN TOOK THIS, UH, CANDID SHOT OF MYSELF, UH, AND SEVERAL OTHERS FROM, UM, THE URBAN TRAILS PROGRAM, UH, HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER, LOOKING AT MONTOPOLIS BRIDGE.

SO THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER TRAIL IS, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST A COLLABORATIVE IDEA.

UM, GRACE SPRINGS PROJECT IS HERE TO PRESENT ON THE PROJECT, BUT WE COULD JUST AS EASILY BE SHARING THE STAGE OR LETTING TWO OF THESE OF OUR PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS GIVE THE SAME PRESENTATION.

WE'RE WORKING HAND IN HAND, UM, WITH THE TRAIL CONSERVANCY, UH, AND THE TRAVIS COUNTY PARKS FOUNDATION TO ADVANCE EVERY ONE OF THE IDEAS, UH, THAT ARE PRESENTED THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION.

SO, UM, WE ARE VERY MUCH, UH, A A TRIPARTITE GROUP OF NONPROFITS, UH, NGOS WITH SHARED MISSIONS, UH, WORKING ON THIS INITIATIVE, WHICH, UH, IS A VERY BIG IDEA, UH, THOUGH NOT A NEW IDEA TO EXTEND THE BUTLER TRAIL, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE, THE RIVER TRAIL FROM LONGHORN DAM,

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UH, ON POTENTIALLY BOTH SIDES OF THE COLORADO RIVER, UM, TO ROUGHLY THE TRAVIS COUNTY LINE, UH, AT WEBER PARK IN TRAVIS COUNTY JURISDICTION.

UM, SO WORK, THE, THE WORK THAT, UM, MOST OF THE WORK THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION, UH, TAKES PLACE OVER THAT ENTIRE, UM, REGIONAL SPAN.

UM, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA FOCUS ON TODAY IS OUR BOND ADVOCACY WORK, WHICH WILL FOCUS ON THE PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT AREA.

THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY IN CITY OF AUSTIN JURISDICTION.

SO FOR THE LAST SIX TO 10 MONTHS, UH, OUR PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN WORKING TO DEVELOP, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS 22 RIVER MILE CORRIDORS, POTENTIALLY 44 TRAIL MILE RIVER CORRIDOR.

UM, TWO SPECIFIC INITIATIVES THAT WE THINK ARE ARE GOOD FITS FOR THE 2026 BOND PROGRAM.

THERE'S PROJECTS THAT ENTAIL DESIGNING CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SEGMENTS OF URBAN TRAIL, AND ASPECTS OF OUR PROPOSAL THAT, UM, ARE OUR ADVOCACY, UH, THAT ARE STRICTLY FOCUSED ON ACQUIRING LAND TO SUPPORT FUTURE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY IN THE RIVER CORRIDOR.

SO, AS A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, HERE ARE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES.

HERE'S WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE.

Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS ARE, SO I'LL HAVE TO GO INTO IT.

BUT WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH TPW STAFF FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT, AND WITH A PR AND OTHER FOLKS FROM THE CITY FOR THE LAND ACQUISITION ACTIVITIES.

SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PORTIONS OF OUR ADVOCACY FOR THE 2026 BOND, WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON A SEGMENT OF URBAN TRAIL, UM, THAT GOES THROUGH REGIE GURE PARK.

WE GO UNDER, UH, US 180 3, UM, AND CONNECT TO TWO CITY OWNED PARCELS, UH, ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE OF THE BRIDGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER, UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIFIED IN AN APPENDIX IN THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH EQUAL INTENT, UH, TO EXTEND THE EXISTING TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER FROM, UH, THE, UH, TRAILHEAD AT THE CTR, THE CT RM, A TRAILHEAD AT US 180 3 ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER THROUGH, UM, THE BALM RIVERFRONT DISTRICT TO, UH, THE BALM DISTRICT PARK TO, AND I GUESS THROUGH BM DISTRICT PARK, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, I CAN ZOOM IN ON IT A LITTLE BIT HERE.

HERE'S THE TRAIL SEGMENTS OF INTEREST, UM, THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON FOR BOND FUNDING, UH, ALONG, UM, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER.

UH, AND HERE IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER.

UM, BULL DISTRICT PARK IS A, A BULL RIVERFRONT DISTRICT IS A, A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, A PR HAS ACQUIRED, UH, RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM THROUGH.

AND, AND OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO FUND CONSTRUCTION OF THE URBAN TRAIL THROUGH THAT, UM, ALREADY ACQUIRED LAND.

UM, BOTH OF THOSE SEGMENTS ARE, WOULD BE BUILT TO AN URBAN TRAIL STANDARD.

UH, SO WE'VE WORKED WITH TPW STAFF TO DEVELOP COST ESTIMATES FOR, UH, BOTH WELL COST PROPOSALS FOR, UH, DESIGNING AND CONSTRUCTING BOTH OF THOSE SEGMENTS.

UM, WE CAN GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE WANT TO.

BUT, UM, JUST KNOW THAT THESE ARE, UH, ROBUST DETAILED NUMBERS THAT WERE, UH, DERIVED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY STAFF, UH, FROM THE URBAN TRAILS TEAM TO, UM, CAPTURE A RANGE OF DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO EACH ONE OF THE SITE CONDITIONS FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

SO, IN ADDITION TO, UH, CONSTRUCTION, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THESE TWO SEGMENTS OF URBAN TRAIL, UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING CLOSELY WITH A PR TO, UM, DEVELOP THIS PRIORITY ACQUISITION SET OF PRIORITY ACQUISITIONS TO COMPLETE, UH, THE, THE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY VISION THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE URBAN TRAILS PLAN, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER FROM TINO PARK TO HORNSBY BEND.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A REALLY LARGE AREA THAT INCLUDES, UM, LOTS OF DIFFERENT PARCELS.

AND SO I'M NOT, UH, NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY, NOR DO I REALLY KNOW WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL COSTS OF EACH ONE OF THOSE PARCELS ARE, BUT THIS NUMBER, THIS PRICE IS APRS ESTIMATE, UM, BASED ON THEM BEING THE ONES THAT ENGAGE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, TO, UH, ACQUIRE A COMBINATION OF, UM, EASEMENTS FOR, YOU KNOW, LINEAR EASEMENTS FOR TRUCK AND CONNECTIVITY, AND ALSO, UM, UH, FUTILE ACQUISITIONS TO EX NOT ONLY PROVIDE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY, BUT ALSO, UH, FUTURE PARKS IN THE LOWER RIVER CORRIDOR.

UM, SO AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL HERE, WHICH I HAVE IN FUTURE SLIDES IF WE HAVE TIME TO GET INTO 'EM.

BUT, UM, OUR VISION OR OUR, OUR APPROACH TO HOW WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR THOSE TWO INITIATIVES, DESIGNING, CONSTRUCTING THOSE TWO SEGMENTS AND ACQUIRING THE LAND FOR THE REST OF IT ARE, UM, IS THAT WE, WE THINK THAT EACH ONE OF THE, THAT THIS INITIATIVE RESPONDS TO EACH ONE OF THE SORT OF CORE PILLARS OF, UH, THE BOND PROGRAM, THE EQUITY, AFFORDABILITY, INNOVATION, SUSTAINABILITY, RESILIENCY, PROACTIVE PREVENTION, AND THE COMMUNITY TRUST AND RELATIONSHIPS SORT OF MANDATE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO GOVERN, THAT ARE GOVERNING, UM, PROJECT SELECTION FOR, FOR THE BOND.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE THINK THAT IT REALLY STITCHES TOGETHER EACH ONE OF THOSE PILLARS TO CREATE A PROJECT THAT IS REALLY BIGGER THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS.

AND SOMETHING, UM, THAT IS NOT JUST A, A GOOD FIT FOR WHAT THE BOND PROGRAM WANTS TO ACHIEVE,

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BUT A SYNTHESIS OF ALL THE IDEAS THAT, UM, WE WANT TO INVEST IN AS A CITY AND AS A COMMUNITY.

UM, I'LL SAY JUST, UH, PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A TON OF TIME.

SO LET ME JUST QUICKLY, SOME, SOME ACTIVITIES ARE CURRENTLY HAPPENING FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, ASIDE FROM OUR BOND ADVOCACY.

AND THAT WILL SUPPORT AND DO SUPPORT NOT ONLY OUR BOND ADVOCACY, BUT THE LONG-TERM VISION OF IMPLEMENTING THE, THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER PROJECT.

UH, I THINK AT THE LAST PRESENTATION, UH, I GAVE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT APPLYING TO THIS GRANT PROGRAM.

UH, WE DID GET THIS GRANT.

THIS IS A, A GRANT FROM THE BUREAU OF RECLAMATION TO DEVELOP, UM, A WATERSHED RESTORATION AND ACCESS PLAN.

THIS IS A, UH, A STUDY THAT WE'LL USE REALLY EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND, UH, TO NOT ONLY, UH, TO TO IDENTIFY PRIORITY ACCESS PROJECTS ALONG THE LOWER RIVER, WHICH WOULD BE PARKS AND TRAILS, BUT ALSO TO ALIGN THOSE PROJECTS WITH THE SORT OF IMPERATIVE OR, OR THE OPPORTUNITIES TO, UM, USE PARKS AND TRAILS AS TOOLS FOR ACHIEVING ECOLOGICAL ENHANCEMENTS.

WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF THE RIVER CORRIDOR.

COULD BE, YOU KNOW, HABITAT ENHANCEMENT, WILDLIFE, UH, CONNECTIVITY, UH, NATIVE SPECIES REMOVAL, INVASIVE SPECIES REMOVAL, NATIVE SPECIES, REVEGETATION, UH, CONSIDERATIONS RELATED TO HEAT AND DROUGHT, UM, AND OTHER, OTHER TOPICS.

UM, WE SELECTED A CONSULTANT TO LEAD THAT PROCESS, UH, AGENCY LANDSCAPE AND PLANNING, WHICH IS A COOL PLANNING AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FIRM FROM BOSTON.

UM, THEIR SUB CONSULTANTS INCLUDE ALTA PLANNING, WHICH IS A FAMOUS TRAIL PLANNING ORGANIZATION, UH, SIGLO GROUP, WHICH IS A LOCAL ECOLOGICAL PLANNING GROUP.

AND THEN RIGHTLINE, WHICH IS SORT OF AN ESTABLISHED LOCAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FIRM.

WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, AMONG AGENCIES, THE, THE PRIME CONSULTANTS, MANY, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIVE, UH, QUALIFICATIONS ARE HAVING DONE EXACTLY THE SAME PROJECT, UM, IN SALT LAKE CITY, UH, DENVER, NEW YORK STATE, AND INDIANAPOLIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY COOL NATIONAL IDEAS THAT WE CAN BRING TO BEAR HERE.

THAT PROJECT'S GONNA KICK OFF PROBABLY NEXT WEEK.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE'S BAKED INTO THIS SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS OF, UM, REALLY EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, MULTIPLE SCALES FROM, YOU KNOW, OTHER NONPROFITS AND, UH, GROUPS OF, UM, THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THIS MISSION TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYDAY FOLKS WHO MAY NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE URBAN TRAIL SYSTEM OR THE, UH, SEVEN TO 70 MODEL, BUT THAT, UM, ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN THE IDEA.

AND WE CAN BRING THEM, UH, BRING THEM UP TO SPEED ON THAT.

WE'RE ALSO WAITING ON, WE'LL FIND OUT IN A COUPLE WEEKS, UH, A PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED FOR, IT'S ACTUALLY $1.8 MILLION, UM, FROM TXDOT TO DEVELOP 30% DESIGN.

UH, SO SCHEMATIC LEVEL DESIGNS FOR SEGMENTS OF THE URBAN TRAIL CORRIDOR, UH, ALONG THE RIVER IN BOTH CITY AND COUNTY JURISDICTION.

SO ESSENTIALLY THIS STUDY, THIS DESIGN EXERCISE, UH, WOULD BUILD ON THE OUTCOMES OF THE WRAP, THE WATERSHED RESTORATION ACCESS PLAN, UH, TO, TO ADVANCE THE SEGMENTS OF TRAIL THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE WRAP THAT ARE HIGHEST PRIORITY TO A, A LEVEL OF, UM, CONSTRUC OR APPROXIMATING CONSTRUCTABILITY INTO MOVE THE DESIGN PROCESS FORWARD FOR THOSE.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I GOT.

WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE, THE DETAILS ON THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO BE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THAT PARTNERSHIP, UM, THAT WITH, WITH COUNCIL, UH, WITH THE CITY, UH, WHERE WE'D HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN AGREEMENT, UH, WHICH WE WOULD HOPE TO BE APPLICABLE, NOT JUST TO OUR CAMPO PROPOSAL, BUT TO SUBSEQUENT PROPOSALS FOR, YOU KNOW, TDOT OR, OR FEDERAL FUNDING OR ANY OTHER, UM, AGREEMENT LIKE A, LIKE A POMA, UH, UH, AN AGREEMENT TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN PARKLAND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, WE NOW HAVE, UM, COMMISSIONER CHEN ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, AND WE HAVE, COMMISSIONER BUFFO HAS ARRIVED IN PERSON, SO WE HAVE MORE NUMBERS HERE AS WELL ON THE UTC.

SO I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ON THE RECORD.

UM, I GUESS I'LL START OFF WITH A QUESTION.

SO, A YEAR AGO, WE SORT OF PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT SORT OF, UM, WE HOPED WOULD ASSIST YOU PARTNERING WITH THE CITY TPW PARKS, ANY CITY ENTITY WITH, YOU KNOW, ASSISTING, CARRYING OUT THE WORK, BEING MORE OF A COLLABORATIVE ENTITY AND PARTNER WITH THE CITY.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON HOW THAT'S GONE OR HOW, HOW THAT, HOW THOSE RELATIONSHIPS HAVE EVOLVED MOVING FORWARD IN THE LAST YEAR.

I MEAN, SPEAKING FOR GSP AND MYSELF, IT'S BEEN AMAZING.

UH, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR STAFF.

HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T FIND MY CONSTANT EMAILING, UH, TOO BORING OR, UH, ANNOYING.

BUT, UM, NO, YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH THAT WAS, UH, AMAZING AND HAS BEEN, WITHOUT WHICH NONE OF THIS WOULD'VE HAPPENED.

SO, UM, YEAH, WE, I, I MEAN, A COUPLE EXAMPLES.

I HAVE A, A STANDING MONTHLY MEETING WITH A PR, UM, REGULAR, NOT QUITE YET MONTHLY, BUT ACTUALLY I DO HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING WITH, UM, SOMEONE ON JOHN'S TEAM, UH, MEET FREQUENTLY WITH JOHN, UH, CONSTANTLY BUGGING JOHN.

HE'S VERY, UH, GRACIOUS AT THIS TIME.

UM, AND, UH, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY YET.

UM, HOWEVER, UH, THE, I'LL NOT TO COMMIT ANYBODY TO ANYTHING, BUT, UM, THE CAMPO RPOS NEW CALL FOR PROJECTS, UM, WILL REQUIRE NONPROFITS LIKE GRACE SPRING PROJECT TO HAVE, UM, EITHER BE TO HAVE AN EXISTING OR TO BE IN DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, AN ILA TO SUPPORT, UH, CO-SPONSORSHIP FOR APPLICATIONS FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS.

AND, UM,

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UM, OR SOME OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A SORT OF FORMAL CODIFIED PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN PROJECT IN THE CITY THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO, UM, ADVANCE NOT JUST PROJECTS RELATED TO ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY, BUT RECREATIONAL TRAILS AND PROGRAMMING IN, IN PARKS AND RECREATIONAL SPACES.

THAT'S GREAT PROGRESS.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HEAR THAT WE , THANK YOU SO MUCH.

INFLUENCE SOMETHING.

SO WE, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL AND IT WAS, IT DID, IT REALLY MATTERED.

THANKS.

THAT'S SO GREAT TO HEAR.

UH, QUESTIONS FROM OTHERS? UH, I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER BUFFALO FIRST, CAN YOU DEFINE POMA AND I-L-A-I-L-A IS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, UH, POMAS, A PARKLAND OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.

THAT'S ALL I SAW COMMISSIONER EZ, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHU.

OH, SURE.

SHOEMAKER.

UM, SO, OH, LEMME PUT THAT.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, SO I REALLY LIKE THE SEGMENT BY SEGMENT BREAKDOWN OF THE COSTS.

UM, WHERE I PARTICULARLY LIKE IS THAT YOU HAVE THE PER MILE COST ON HERE.

THAT'S ONE THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SIGNIFICANTLY IS IT'S REALLY HARD TO PIN DOWN WHAT THE AVERAGE PER MILE COST OF AN URBAN TRAIL IS.

IT CAN VARY VERY, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY FROM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS A LOW END 3 MILLION AND WE'VE SEEN AT THE UPPER ENDS 10 MILLION, RIGHT.

SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD KIND OF WALK US THROUGH WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, UM, THAT ARE, ARE GETTING IT TO THE LOWER END AT 3 MILLION AND THE HIGHER END AT 7 MILLION JUST FOR OWN EDUCATION.

THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE CONSIDERATIONS.

CAN I, UM, LEMME SEE, LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT PAGE IT WAS.

1, 2, 3.

WE, I SLIDE EIGHT.

I DON'T NEED TO JUST GENERALLY, UM, I GET, SO I'LL THE TOP OF MY HEAD FOR THOSE TWO SEGMENTS, THE HIGH END, IT'S THE, UH, UNDERPASS OF THE HIGHWAY, SO THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT.

SO THAT'S, UM, YEAH, THE HIGH END PORTION WOULD BE THAT LITTLE SEGMENT THAT GOES FROM THE, UH, ASPHALT SEGMENT OF THE RO PARK CONNECTION THAT GOES UNDER 180 3 AND CONNECTS THOSE TWO CITY PARCELS ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE.

UH, WE WALKED IT, UH, YOU KNOW, GSP AND, AND TPW WALKED IT AND JUST BEING OUT THERE, YOU COULD TELL THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME, IT'S VERY DOABLE.

IT'S NOT A UN, IT'S NOT A NECESSARILY A UNIQUE CONTEXT.

THERE'S OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE URBAN TRAILS IN CITY GO UNDER, UH, MAJOR HIGHWAYS.

UM, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIVE COORDINATION WITH TXDOT.

THIS IS A STATE ON RIGHT OF WAY.

AND I BELIEVE ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE PRETTY EXTENSIVE DESIGN ENGINEERING EXERCISE.

UH, AND THERE WERE SOME PORTIONS WHERE THE, UM, THE SLOPE AND THE FLOODPLAIN CONDITION OR THE DRAINAGE CONDITION WOULD NECESSITATE, UM, HELICAL PILINGS FOR NOT LIKE A BOARDWALK, BUT FOR LIKE, KIND OF AN ELEVATED SURFACE.

SO, UH, THE DECISION WAS MADE FOR THOSE SEGMENTS THAT, YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S KIND OF CADILLAC FOR, UH, SOME OF THE URBAN TRAIL CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY.

SO THAT WAS THE HIGH END VERSUS THE LOWER END WHERE IT'S, UM, I, I THINK THE, THE LOW END FOR THE ROY G RIO PARK WAS LIKE, IT'S LIKE ESSENTIALLY CONTI, THE URBAN TRAIL WOULD BE CONTIGUOUS WITH AN EXISTING RECREATIONAL TRAIL.

IT'S TOTALLY FLAT.

THERE'S ALREADY, UM, LIKE A, UH, KIND OF A DESIRE PATH FOR WHERE THAT URBAN TRAIL WOULD GO.

SO, AND IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ON CITY RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IN THOSE CONDITIONS, YOU COULD EVEN, NOT TO SAY FOR SURE, BUT LIKELY, UH, DESIGN IS VERY MINIMAL.

IT CAN PROBABLY BE DONE ON SITE, ON, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON SITE, JOHN.

UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, THE, THE, IT'S IT VERSUS THE CADILLAC VERSION WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION, DESIGN, ENGINEERING, AND MAYBE A KIND OF COMPLEX CONSTRUCTION METHOD INVOLVED.

IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT IN ANY, NONE OF THOSE CRITERIA ARE MET.

AND IT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

SO, AND I THINK I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, 'CAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE I GOT A FLAT TIRE ON THE, UH, WISH PATH.

SO DEFINITELY GET THAT .

UM, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, THE MONEY YOU'RE ASKING FOR ARE, YOU KNOW, TPW ASKED FOR A TRANCHE OF FUNDING FOR URBAN TRAILS YEAH.

2026 BOND.

ARE YOU ENVISIONING, YOU KNOW, A TRANCHE OF THAT OR THIS EXISTING ALONGSIDE THAT? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE VISION FOR THAT IS THAT, SO THE SEGMENT THROUGH ROY GIRO PARK THAT WOULD GO UNDER THE HIGHWAY, UH, AND CONNECT THOSE TWO PARCELS IS TIER ONE.

SO OUR HOPE WOULD BE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TRANCHE WOULD BE ADEQUATE TO COVER THIS AS A TIER ONE, A NEW SEGMENT OF TIER ONE TRAIL, ESPECIALLY IF GSP CAN HELP GET INITIAL DESIGNS COMPLETED FOR THAT PROJECT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'D HOPE TO DO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A CAMPO GRANT OR SOME OTHER RESOURCE.

UM, BUT IT BEING TIER ONE, WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE FUNDED PROGRAMMATICALLY, ESPECIALLY FOR, WE'RE ABLE TO, TO ADVANCE THE DESIGN.

THE OTHER SEGMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE

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OF THE RIVER FROM THE C-T-R-M-A TRAILHEAD THROUGH B DISTRICT, OR TO B DISTRICT PARK IS TIER TWO.

AND THAT SEGMENT, WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, UH, E EVEN THOUGH IT IS AN IMMENSELY HIGH PRIORITY TRAIL SEGMENT, UH, THE, THE, THE TIERING, UH, AND THE WAY THE TIME AT WHICH THE TIERING WAS COMPLETED, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BEFORE THERE WAS A, A BM DISTRICT PARK OR A PLAN FOR A BM DISTRICT PARK, UH, OR A BM RIVERFRONT DISTRICT.

MAYBE HAD THOSE THINGS BEEN AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, OR BEEN KNOWN AT THE TIME, THIS WOULD'VE SCORED AS TIER ONE.

UH, BUT GIVEN THAT IT DIDN'T, UM, WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT IT COULD BE A GOOD CANDIDATE TO BE A SORT OF STANDALONE PROJECT THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM THE PROGRAMMATIC FUNDING FOR THE SIERRA WIND URBAN TRAIL PROGRAM THROUGH THE, THE BOND AND BE FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE, YOU KNOW, PHASE TWO OR WHATEVER OF THE, THE COLORADO, THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER TRAIL.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE IDEA.

I'M NOT LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMMITTED TO THAT OR ANYTHING.

AND THERE'S A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE, UM, HAVE BEEN HAVING.

WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED WITH THE BTF, UM, THE PARKS AND REC, I GUESS IT'S JUST THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE WE'VE PRESENTED TO THE FULL BTIF PLANNING ON PRESENTING TO THE TRANSPORTATION GROUP, UH, WORKING GROUP, AND THEN ANOTHER PRESENTATION TO THE FULL COMMITTEE AS WHOLE TASK FORCE.

UM, AT WHICH POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HOPEFULLY WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS WITH THEM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR INSTINCT OR OUR POSITION RIGHT NOW IS THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THAT NORTHERN PORTION TO BE, UM, BE A STANDALONE PROJECT.

AND I ALSO JUST, I GUESS ADD THERE FINALLY IT, THAT NORTHERN SIGMA TWO FEELS LIKE A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR C-T-R-M-A FUNDING, GIVEN THAT THEY'RE FINALLY SHOWING SOME WILLINGNESS TO USE THEIR MASSIVE UNSPENT RESERVES.

SO COULD BE A, A GOOD CANDIDATE THERE.

I'LL SAY WE'RE, WE'RE ENGAGED WITH C-T-R-M-A AND, UH, HOPE TO HAVE, UM, HOPE TO HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS TO REPORT ON THAT SOMETIME SOON.

I, I, I'LL ASK, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS, AND MAYBE NOT NOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK OR SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH THE BOND IN THIS WAY, IF, UH, IF THAT, BASICALLY OUR IDEA IS THE, THE, UH, SOUTHERN PORTION WOULD BE, UM, TIER ONE, AND WE CAN JUST TREAT IT AS TIER ONE, AS IT SHOULD BE, AND, AND BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROGRAMMATIC FUNDING.

THE NORTHERN PORTION WOULD BE ITS OWN PROJECT, UH, WITHIN THE TPW BUDGET, UM, OR THE TPW ALLOCATION.

UH, AND THE ACQUISITIONS WOULD BE, UH, A PR FUNDED.

SO WOULD BE MONEY THAT WE WOULD ADVOCATE FOR A PR TO GET.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY REACTIONS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT PLAN? I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

I THINK THE TIERING IS LIKE ALWAYS A MOVING TARGET, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAD, YOU COULD SET THE TIERS, BUT THEN MAYBE SOMETHING ON THE GROUND CHANGES LIKE A, A NEW DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? A NEW MASSIVE DISTRICT PARK, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU, YOU WANNA UPDATE THE TIERS, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ITERATE AS QUICKLY.

SO I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.

I THINK THAT, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAD A TIER ONE THING AND THEN IT, SOMEBODY ELSE IS DOING THE DESIGN, THAT'S LIKE A YEAH, DUH SITUATION.

BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TIER TWO IS A LITTLE TRICKIER, SO LIKE, YOU MIGHT WANNA PURSUE THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK OVERALL, MY, MY PERCEPTION, THIS BODY IS GONNA BE WORKING TOWARD A BOND RECOMMENDATION.

DON'T WANNA GET INTO THAT TOO MUCH.

'CAUSE IT'S, WE'RE NOT POST IT FOR THAT EXACTLY, BUT, UM, FOR NEXT MONTH.

AND SO, UM, WE'LL BE THINKING A LOT ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGING PROCESS FOR EVERYBODY TO WINNOW THAT DOWN.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT.

SO, UM, YEAH.

AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT DISCUSSION, I WANT OUR RECOMMENDATION TO BE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN AS SERIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING OUTLANDISH IN THERE.

SO THIS WILL PROBABLY BE INCLUDED.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T, BUT, UM, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE CATEGORIES, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE NECESSARILY GONNA BE WANTING TO TOUCH A PR BOND BUDGET, BUT, UM, YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND FOR THE COST BREAKDOWN.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK THAT IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN HOW WE DECIDE AND THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS MOVING FORWARD.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, MIKEY.

UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN REMAIN ENGAGED IN THE, YOUR DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

UM, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE OR ANY ADDITIONAL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE STUFF THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO, I'M HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION SO WE CAN, UM, NOT HAVE ANYTHING OUTLANDISH AND ONLY ONLY LEGITIMATE IDEAS MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S GREAT.

I WANTED TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK ANY COMMISSIONERS, OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAD QUESTIONS.

WELL THAT WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

ITEM THREE, THAT, THAT BEING, UM, DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION REGARDING TREES ON CITY STREETS.

THAT TAKES US TO

[3. Discussion and presentation regarding Trees on City Streets. Presenter: Michelle Marx, Austin Transportation and Public Works ]

AND OUR PRESENTER IS MICHELLE MARKS FROM AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

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UM, I AM HERE, UM, MICHELLE MARKS, NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.

UM, AND I'M HERE WITH, UM, LAWRENCE STANLEY, IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

HI, LAWRENCE STANLEY.

I AM A, UM, ARCHITECT IN TOWN.

BEEN PRACTICING HERE FOR A WHILE, VERY INTERESTED IN GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THE YEARS, AND I'M, UH, ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS ON THE WORKING GROUP, THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, RESOLUTION OF WORKING GROUP.

THANKS.

AND, UM, I'M SO GLAD LAUREN WAS ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY BECAUSE THE MATERIAL THAT I'M GONNA, UM, KINDA WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, WAS DEVELOPED BY THE, THE TARP, THE, I ALWAYS GET THIS ACRONYM WRONG, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY ADVISORY REVIEW PANEL.

UM, THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW ORGANIZATION AT THE CITY.

THEY'VE BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR A COUPLE YEARS, BUT, UM, THEIR PURVIEW IS, UM, PROVIDING GUIDANCE, UM, AND FEEDBACK ON ADMINISTRATIVE CRITERIA AND RULES.

UM, SO, UM, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND IN A MOMENT WHY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BEEN SUCH A CRITICAL BODY IN, UM, DEVELOPING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, BUT THIS, THIS REPORT AND THIS CONTENT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE TARP.

UM, WE AT TPW, UM, FACILITATED THAT DISCUSSION.

UM, BUT, UM, I'M HERE, UM, IN PART TO BE A VOICE, UM, FOR THAT, THAT GROUP.

AND, AND LAUREN, THANK YOU FOR, UM, JOINING ME SINCE IT REALLY IS Y'ALL'S PRODUCT.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO PROGRESS MY SLIDE.

THERE WE GO.

UM, SO I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, THE, THE WORK THAT TPW FACILITATED, UM, IN RESPONSE TO A COUNCIL, UH, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED IN MARCH OF 2024.

UM, AND THIS RESOLUTION, UM, WAS, UM, CRAFTED REALLY, UM, IN LARGE PART IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE EXCRUCIATING KIND OF WEATHER IMPACTS WE'VE BEEN HAVING, UM, IN RECENT YEARS IN AUSTIN.

UM, AND, AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE, THE IMPORTANT ROLE THAT PUBLIC TREES, UM, REALLY SHOULD BE PLAYING IN, IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING, UM, SOLID TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND NOT JUST TRANSPORTATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THINK I NEED TO REMIND THIS GROUP OF, OF THE BENEFITS OF STREET TREES.

YES, THEY CREATE A SAFER, KIND OF MORE COMFORTABLE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR PEOPLE WALKING TO BUS STOPS AND RIDING THEIR BIKES, UM, AND WALKING ON SIDEWALKS.

THEY ALSO ABSORB STORM WATER.

THEY ALSO LOWER KIND OF LOCALIZED URBAN HEAT ISLAND.

THEY ALSO ABSORB CARBON.

UM, THE, THE BENEFIT IS, IS REALLY, UM, MULTIFACETED.

UM, SO IN RESPONSE, COUNCIL DID PASS A RESOLUTION, UM, ASKING THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY REVIEW PANEL TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS IN OUR CITY TO INSTALLING AND MAINTAINING TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, WE USE THE WORD GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, INTENTIONALLY, BUT THE FOCUS OF THE TARPS WORK REALLY HAS BEEN ON STREET TREES, UM, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, THE, THE TERMINOLOGY IS INTENDED TO, UM, HARKEN TO, TO THE FACT THAT TREES REALLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED URBAN INFRASTRUCTURE ON PAR WITH, UM, HARD INFRASTRUCTURE, QUOTE UNQUOTE HARD INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR CITY.

UM, AND, AND WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT IT AS SUCH, IN PARTICULAR, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THINKING ABOUT HOW WE ALLOCATE SPACE IN THE BRI OF WAY, HOW WE MAKE TRADE OFF DECISIONS BETWEEN ALL OF THE STUFF THAT HAS TO FIT.

UM, TREES ARE ONE OF THE, THE ELEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF WEIGH IN OUR DECISION MAKING.

UM, AND THE REASON THE FOCUS IS, IS, UM, PRIMARILY ON STREET TREES IN THIS WORK, NOT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER ELEMENTS OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AREN'T IMPORTANT.

UM, CERTAINLY THERE'S A BIG ROLE FOR STORMWATER SWALES AND GROUND LEVEL LANDSCAPING, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO JUST BANG FOR THE BUCK, UM, THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UM, THE AMOUNT OF BENEFIT YOU GET FOR THE COST, I MEAN, THE, THE REAL KIND OF BANG IS WITH STREET TREES.

UM, THAT IS KIND OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT FOR US RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND ONE THAT'S BEEN A REAL CHALLENGE WHEN IT COMES TO FIGURING OUT HOW TO REMOVE OBSTACLES, UM, TO PROVIDING STREET TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND SO THE THINKING WITH THE TARP IS IF WE CAN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE FOCUS OF THIS GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE REPORT IS ON STREET TREES.

UM, SO OUR WORK PER COUNCIL DIRECTION WAS TO LOOK AT THOSE BARRIERS DE TO DEVELOP SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MODIFY EXISTING CODE PROVISIONS, CRITERIA, MANUALS, OTHER REGULATIONS, UM, TO

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MAKE IT EASIER TO PROVIDE STREET TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND THINKING ABOUT THAT FROM KIND OF A CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, HOW DO WE NEED TO ALIGN OUR PRACTICES AND REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO GET THIS DONE? UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL, UM, LET LAUREN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS.

OKAY, YEAH.

UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT THIS IS A, UM, A REALLY INTERESTING, UM, TARP OR WORKING GROUP TO HAVE, UM, PARTICIPATED IN.

I'M JUST GONNA SORT OF GIVE A LITTLE SHORT COMMENTARY BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY, UM, KIND OF THE VENN DIAGRAM OF, UM, URBANISM AND IT'S GREEN URBANISM, I THINK IS, WE'RE GONNA SEE IS INCREASINGLY CRITICAL TO THE HEALTH OF OUR CITIES.

AND, UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO POSITION THIS FRONT AND CENTER AS, UM, A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIAL PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR CITY, GENERALLY SPEAKING.

AND THAT IS RECOGNIZED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGH BAR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, MICHELLE MENTIONED LOW HANGING FRUIT, IT'S ALSO A HIGH BAR.

IT LIKE, IF WE CAN GET TO THIS POINT, UM, THIS ELEVATED GOAL OF REALLY FACILITATING TRULY AND, UH, STREET TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE WILL HAVE DONE AN AWFUL LOT AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH A LOT OF VESTED INTERESTS WITH OTHER KINDS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES, BUT TO US, IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE A CRITICAL PART OF A CRITICAL UTILITY.

SO, UM, THIS GOT STARTED, UM, IT SORT OF KICKED OFF PROBABLY SUMMER OF 2024, UM, FOLLOWING THE RESOLUTION THAT I THINK WAS PASSED IN MARCH OF 2024.

UM, AND, UM, SO THE TARP MET, UM, DURING THE, THE SUCCEEDING FALL, AND THEN REALLY WE GOT DOWN TO WORK IN EARNEST IN THE WORKING GROUP IN THE BEGINNING OF 2025 THIS YEAR.

UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN KIND OF LIKE SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO THIS SLIDE.

IT, SO THE TARP, UM, WAS THE OVERARCHING BODY THAT WAS MEANT TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THE WORK.

AND TPW HAS HEADED THAT UP.

THERE'S BEEN ALSO A CONSULTING FIRM AND THEN A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS.

SO, UH, AND ORDER TO DEVELOP THE WORKING GROUP, TO DEVELOP THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE STUDIES AND EVERYTHING TO THEN GO TO THE CITY AND DEPARTMENTAL LEADERSHIP ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THE MEMBERS OF THIS REVIEW PANEL.

UM, WE HAVE DEPARTMENTAL STAFF, ALL THE AGENCIES YOU CAN SEE, ENTITIES, YOU CAN SEE THERE.

UM, I HAPPEN TO BE IN STANLEY STUDIO, WHICH IS SORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONAL, IS THAT, AM I READING THIS RIGHT, ? IT'S PRETTY FAR AWAY.

UM, AND OTHERS.

SO, UM, VERY ENGAGING, INTENSIVE, THOROUGH, I WOULD SAY PROCESS.

IT'S BEEN, UM, VERY, UH, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ESPECIALLY BRINGING IN PEER CITIES WORK, IT'S BEEN A, A DEEP DIVE.

SO, UM, WHAT WE DID WAS START IDENTIFYING WHAT THE BARRIERS WERE, BECAUSE WE ALL KNEW THAT THERE WERE LOTS OF THEM.

MIGHT, UM, UM, IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF, UM, SEQUENCE AND JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW THE REGULATORY FOUNDATIONS, UM, JUST LOGICALLY WATERFALL, UM, TO LIKE SUBSEQUENT PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS AND THINKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS AND, UM, HAVING ALL OF THOSE SYSTEMS IN PLACE.

UH, SO WE'VE GOT, WE KIND OF BROKE THEM INTO THREE GROUPS, REGULATORY BARRIERS, PERMITTING BARRIERS, AND PROGRAMMATIC BARRIERS.

THE MORE DETAILED REPORT, WHICH I THINK IS AROUND 27 PAGES OR SO, IS, IS REALLY TO ME QUITE INTERESTING.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY JUST KIND OF, IS THIS THE WHOLE THING? THIS IS THE WHOLE THING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL SEE THAT, BUT IT INCORPORATES IT, IT GOES INTO THE, UM, THE FINER DETAIL AND GRAIN OF ALL THE WORK THAT WE DID, EVERYTHING THAT WE LOOKED AT.

AND IT WAS REALLY, WE JUST REPEATEDLY TRIED TO UNEARTH EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A BARRIER, SAY.

UM, AND THESE ARE THE ROUGH CATEGORIES OF THREE THAT THEY GOT SPLIT INTO.

FOLLOWING THAT, WE DECIDED THAT THE BEST THING TO DO IS, UM, THEN GO TO LOOK AT PRECEDENTS AND BEST PRACTICES IN PEER CITIES.

UM, KNOWING THAT THERE WERE LESSONS TO BE PULLED FROM THERE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY, BUT WE ALL LEARNED FROM WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO, WHICH IS, IT'S VERY INSTRUCTIVE.

THAT THEN LED TO RECOMMENDED ACTIONS AND THEY FELL INTO, ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

THERE, YOU SEE THOSE, UH, FOUR GENERAL CATEGORIES, REGULATORY FOUNDATIONS, PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS, MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL PLANNING AND PROJECTS TO SOME EXTENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CROSSOVER IN ALL OF THESE.

UM, BUT IN ORDER TO SORT OF SYNTHESIZE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE KIND OF PRODUCING AND, UM, FINDING AND WORKING TOGETHER ON THESE, IT FELL INTO THESE, THESE CATEGORIES.

SO WITHIN EACH ONE OF THESE COLORED CATEGORIES, WE HAVE A SERIES OF RECOMMENDED ACTIONS OF 12.

SO MICHELLE'S GONNA PICK UP FROM THERE.

YEAH, THANKS LAUREN.

AND, UM, I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE 12 ACTIONS THAT THE TARP HAS PASSED ON TO CITY AND DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP FOR CONSIDERATION.

UM, AND, AND I'LL KIND OF GO KIND OF, UM, CATEGORY BY CATEGORY HERE.

UM, JUST A QUICK POINT THAT, UM, THE GROUP ALSO GAVE, UM, SOME, UH, THOUGHT AND CONSIDERATION TO, UM, HOW THE, THE CITY

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THEN KIND OF LOGICALLY WATERFALL IS STARTING TO THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, HOW DO WE REFLECT, UM, SOME OF THESE CHANGES IN OUR KIND OF CAPITAL PLANNING AND PROJECTS.

UM, SO THERE IS KIND OF A LOGICAL SEQUENCE TO, UM, THE TARPS RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, WALK YOU THROUGH THAT, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS 'CAUSE THAT IS VERY TINY UP THERE.

SO THERE ARE 12.

UM, THIS FIRST TRANCHE OF, OF RECOMMENDATIONS REALLY RELATE TO KIND OF THE REGULATORY STRUCTURES AND ADDRESSING BARRIERS IN OUR CRITERIA MANUALS.

UM, SPECIFICALLY NUMBER ONE HERE, UM, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, JUST STEPPING BACK AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE WAY, UH, STREET TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ARE REGULATED TODAY.

UM, FRANKLY, IT'S KIND OF A DISPERSED CONSTELLATION OF REQUIREMENTS THAT'S KIND OF SPRINKLED SOME OF, SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN CODE AND REGULATING PLANS, AND SOME OF THEM ARE IN THE UTILITY MANUAL, AND SOME ARE IN THE TRANSPORTATION MANUAL.

AND FRANKLY, ANYBODY TRYING TO PUT STREET TREES ALONG THEIR SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, UM, GOD BLESS 'EM, BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

UM, SO THIS FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS TO, TO STEP BACK AND REALLY CLARIFY AND, AND REPOSITION THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL AS THE GUIDING MECHANISM BY WHICH THE SIDEWALK CORRIDOR IS REGULATED.

THE SIDEWALK CORRIDOR BEING INCLUSIVE OF THE STREET TREES ALONG THE SIDEWALK.

UM, SO REALLY, UM, EXPANDING IT INTO NOT JUST A TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL, BUT A RIDE OF WAY DESIGN MANUAL THAT PROVIDES THE GUIDANCE FOR HOW ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE SIDEWALK CORRIDOR, SHOULD BE HOLISTICALLY COORDINATED, UM, AT STREETS SCAPE LEVEL, BUT ALSO BELOW AND ABOVE.

SO HOW, FOR EXAMPLE, DO THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE UCM NEED TO BE ROLLED INTO WHAT'S REQUIRED AT STREETSCAPE TO CREATE A COHESIVE, UM, UNION HERE, UM, BETWEEN ALL OF OUR DISPARATE, UH, REQUIREMENTS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST ALL KIND OF IN COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER? UM, AND SO IN DOING THIS KIND OF UPDATING THE, THE TCM TO PROVIDE THOSE STREET TREE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE TO LOOK FOR THEM, UM, WHERE ARE TREES REQUIRED? ARE THEY REQUIRED EVERY TIME YOU'RE BUILDING A SIDEWALK? UM, HOW BIG DO THE TREE PITS NEED TO BE? HOW MUCH SOIL VOLUME DO YOU NEED TO PROVIDE? UM, HOW, WHAT ARE THE, AND PROVIDING THE KIND OF THE STANDARD GRAPHICS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW STREET TREES ARE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE SIDEWALK CORRIDOR, BUT ALSO BUILDING IN FLEXIBILITY.

WE KNOW NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE WITH A CAPITAL PROJECT OR A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NON-STANDARD CONDITION.

SO WHAT DO YOU DO TO FLEX WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY? WHAT DIMENSION GIVES FIRST, UM, HOW MIGHT YOU, UM, KIND OF INCORPORATE THINKING AT THE CURB ZONE, UM, TO INCORPORATE STREET TREES, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, LOOKING HOW, HOW MIGHT YOU LOOK AT EASEMENTS? UM, AND THEN FINALLY LOOKING, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE SORTS OF COMMON CONSTRAINTS AND HOW YOU, HOW DESIGNER REVIEWERS AND DESIGNERS, UM, SHOULD RESPOND TO THEM, THINKING AGAIN, LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU'RE TRULY CONSTRAINED, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR FEE AND LIEU OPTIONS? SO REALLY JUST KIND OF, UM, BEING PREDICTIVE ABOUT, UM, THE KIND OF CONSTRAINTS WE KNOW WE ENCOUNTER DAY IN, DAY OUT AND, AND NOT HAVING TO KIND OF RE-LITIGATE COMMON SITUATIONS EVERY DAY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT.

RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO WOULD BE KIND OF IN TANDEM UPDATING OUR STANDARD, UM, PLANS AND SPECS.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, REALLY GREAT STANDARD STANDARD GUIDANCE FOR HOW TO PRO PROVIDE A TREE.

WELL, UM, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, STANDARD PRODUCT LISTS FOR IRRIGATION EQUIPMENT OR SOIL CELLS.

UM, LET'S MAKE THIS EASY FOR PEOPLE, UM, AND PROVI UPDATE THOSE STANDARDS AND MAKE IT EASY.

UM, NUMBER THREE HERE, UM, AGAIN, AND THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY A BUNDLE.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE DOING THIS, WE REALLY NEED TO WORK WITH OUR UTILITY PARTNERS, UM, AT AUSTIN WATER AND AUSTIN ENERGY TO, TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO UTILITY, UM, CLEARANCE AND OTHER LOCATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, WORK COHESIVELY WITH THE STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, AND ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES

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TO GET EFFICIENT, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF WE ARE SPECIFYING ROOT BARRIERS OR SOIL CELLS TO CONTAIN TREES AND PROVIDING, PROVIDING AND REQUIRING ADEQUATE SOIL VOLUMES, DO WE NEED A FULL NINE FEET OF CLEARANCE TO WET UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH, OR IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TIGHTER SO THAT WE AREN'T PRECLUDING STREET TREES WITH OUR CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS? THAT IS ONE EXAMPLE, UM, THAT'S DISCUSSED AT THE TARP.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS IF, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING VERTICALLY, IF THE CITY FOREST STORE IS, UM, GIVING THE OKAY TO REMOVE A TREE THAT'S OVER A UTILITY LINE THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED OR FIXED OR UPDATED OR WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, AND THE CITY FORESTERS, YES, YES, YOU CAN MOVE THAT TREE, ARE WE OKAY WITH VERTICAL STACKING OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE GIVEN A CERTAIN CLEARANCE? SO I THINK WE CAN, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY AND THE TARP, UM, SEIZE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM SOME OF OUR PEER CITIES TO LOOK FOR SOME OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EFFICIENCY.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE SPACE EFFICIENCY AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANNA WORK WITH, UM, OUR UTILITY PARTNERS ON.

I THINK WE'RE ALL VERY, VERY COGNIZANT OF, OF WANTING TO PROTECT OUR HARD INFRASTRUCTURE, BE THAT UTILITY OR WATER OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL SEEN, UM, KIND OF THE, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH RECENT STORMS AND THE IMPACT TREES CAN HAVE ON, ON UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, HOW CAN WE PROTECT INFRASTRUCTURE BUT ALSO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE ROOM FOR TREES? I THINK, UM, THE GROUP IS OPTIMISTIC THAT IT'S POSSIBLE.

UM, AND SO WE WANNA HAVE THAT TACTICAL CONVERSATION ADVANCE THE SLIDES.

OH, THANK YOU.

OH GOSH.

I HAVE AN ADVANCE OF SLIDES.

UM, YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THREE, RIGHT? YEAH, I TALKED ABOUT THREE.

NOW WE'RE ON NUMBER FOUR.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF A BUNDLE, AND THAT'S TO WORK WITH, UM, THE, UM, CITY FORESTER CITY ARBORIST TO UPDATE OUR APPROVED STREET TREE SPECIES LIST IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA MANUAL.

UM, NOT ONLY DO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, THAT TREE SPECIES LIST IS REFLECTING KIND OF THE HARSHER CONDITIONS OF OUR CHANGING CLIMATE, UM, BUT ALSO, UM, MICRO CONTEXT, IF YOU WILL, MICRO CLIMATES.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, DESIGNERS AND PROJECT LEADS ARE PUTTING THE RIGHT TREE IN THE RIGHT PLACE BASED ON HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY IS AVAILABLE FOR THE TREE, HOW MUCH SOIL VOLUME IS AVAILABLE FOR THE TREE? ARE WE PR, ARE WE BEING RESPONSIVE TO SURROUNDING UTILITY CONSTRAINTS? UM, SHOULD WE BE PUTTING LIVE OAKS UNDERNEATH OVERHEAD LINES? PROBABLY NOT.

UM, SO LET'S, LET'S, UM, DIAL IN ON THAT AND, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE RIGHT TREE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

UM, AND THEN NUMBER FIVE IS, IS KIND OF A CONTINGENCY RECOMMENDATION.

YOU KNOW, THE TARP REALLY, UM, SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO ALIGN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE RULES AND OUR CRITERIA MANUALS, UM, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE BARRIERS.

UM, AND THEY'RE VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT, UM, WE CAN PROBABLY, UM, ACCOMPLISH, UM, AND ADDRESS A GREAT DEAL OF THE BARRIERS JUST WITH THIS KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE CLEANUP.

UM, BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT CITY CODE, UM, AND IS THAT AN OPTION? AND, AND DO WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT LEGISLATIVELY REQUIRE STREET TREES IN CONJUNCTION WITH FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, SO, UM, RIGHT NOW THE, THE TCM DOES REQUIRE STREET TREES ADMINISTRATIVELY ON MOST STREETS, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, UM, THESE CRITERIA, MANUAL CONFLICTS, UM, KEEP COMING UP AND, AND PRECLUDING THAT.

SO THE HOPE IS THAT WE COULD, UM, ADDRESS THOSE CONFLICTS.

UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT MEANS WE DON'T NEED TO PURSUE CODE UPDATES, BUT, UM, THEY DID WANNA KIND OF PUT THIS IDEA OUT ON THE TABLE FOR KIND OF CONSIDERATION AND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

CAN REQUIRE ACTIONS, UM, TO PROVIDE THOSE FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE WE DO TODAY FOR SIDEWALKS.

SORRY, CAN I JUMP IN HERE WITH A QUESTION ON THAT ONE? PLEASE DO.

SO, UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF REQUIRING STREET TREES.

I WOULD LOVE THEM ON EVERY STREET, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO OFTEN WE RUN INTO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REDESIGNING A STREET AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE WOULD LOVE STREET TREES, BUT IF WE WANT, YOU KNOW, A BUS LANE, A BIKE LANE, AND A SIDEWALK, WE, THERE'S NO ROOM.

SO WOULD THE IDEA BE TO LIKE, REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A FURTHER SETBACK AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE SIDEWALK? OR ARE WE KIND OF REORGANIZING THE PRIORITIZATION OF, DO WE WANT BIKE LANE, SIDEWALK, STREET TREE HERE? WELL, UM, I THINK THE ANSWER IS GONNA BE UNSATISFYING TO YOU BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS, IT DEPENDS.

UM, , UM, SO LIKE ALL KIND OF FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED AS PART OF LIKE SITE PLANS, UM, YOU

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THE STREET TREES ARE PART OF THE SIDEWALK.

OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT LIKE PROPORTIONALITY AND IF YOU'RE BUMPING UP AGAINST PROPORTIONALITY, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO PURSUE ALL, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATE MEANS.

UM, SO WITH, WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, UM, YES, MAYBE YOU, UM, REQUIRE ACTIONS DEPENDING, UM, WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OFTEN NOT OUT THERE ACQUIRING RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF TRADE OFF AND DECISION MAKING DISCUSSIONS.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, AN EXCELLENT SEGUE TO RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SIX HERE.

UM, AND THAT'S THAT, UH, TO SET UP KIND OF AN INTERDEPARTMENTAL, UM, KIND OF EARLY STAGE REVIEW PROCESS, THIS KIND OF TEAM-BASED APPROACH TO CONFLICT RESOLUTION, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE PUSH AND PULL WHEN IT COMES TO RIGHT OF WAY ALLOCATION.

UM, AND AGAIN, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WHAT GIVES, AND HOW DO YOU KIND OF PUSH AND PULL AT THE MARGINS TO MAKE THINGS WORK? WHAT IF YOU PUSH YOUR UTILITIES OVER HERE? WHAT IF YOU CONSOLIDATE YOUR METERS HERE AND GET ONE MORE STREET TREE HERE? THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOONER IN THE PROCESS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS TO RECONCILE THOSE, UM, RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR SITE PLAN APPLICANTS.

SO WE'RE NOT TYING UP PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE CLARITY REGARDING WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY SOONER.

UM, AND IN AN KIND OF INTERDEPARTMENTAL COLLABORATIVE WAY.

UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST INTERJECT THERE THAT I THINK IT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH PART OF THIS GROUP IS, IS REALLY, UM, KIND OF EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS AND THAT WE, UM, IT, IT ALWAYS GOES BETTER JUST COMING FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF BEING IN A DESIGN PROFESSION TO SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE AT A VERY CONCEPT DESIGN WITH SUSTAINABILITY GOALS EARLIER THAN LATER.

'CAUSE NOBODY, IT IS JUST LIKE A BIG EYE ROLL LATER.

NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO DO, IT'S JUST MORE MONEY, MORE TIME.

I THINK THE KEY THING THAT WAS RECOGNIZED VERY STRONGLY WITH THIS GROUP EARLY ON WAS THE, UM, PRIORITY OF THIS KIND OF ROUND TABLE IDEA, GETTING ALL EVERYBODY NOT A LINEAR SEQUENCE WHERE YOU GO FROM ONE AGENCY, OKAY, CHECK MARK, YOU KNOW, NEXT, NEXT, NEXT.

BUT LIKE EVERYBODY TOGETHER, EVERYBODY CAN HEAR WHAT AUSTIN WATER HAS TO SAY, AUSTIN ENERGY HAS TO SAY, AND WE'RE ALL THERE TOGETHER BECAUSE WE'RE SERVING A VALUE THAT PRESUMABLY EVERYBODY SHARES.

AND THAT'S REALLY KIND OF A CRUX PART I THINK, OF THIS.

SO, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SEVEN HERE, WE'RE SPEAKING TO PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE OUR REGULATORY STRUCTURES UPDATED, OUR, UH, REVIEW PROCESSES, UM, UPDATED, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY.

THIS IS HOW WE DO THINGS.

NOW THIS IS WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TCM SAYS NEEDS TO BE PART OF, UM, YOUR FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE, UM, AND FOR OUR REVIEWERS AS WELL.

THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THOSE, THOSE SITE PLANS.

I THINK WHAT'S ALSO IMPLIED IN THAT IS THAT IT MIGHT BE, UM, INTERMITTENT OR SEMI-REGULAR SO THAT, UM, AND THIS COMES UP LATER TOO, LIKE ON A, UM, SEMI-REGULAR BASIS, PEOPLE ARE GETTING COGNIZANT, UM, OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WHAT'S DEVELOPING AS BEST PRACTICE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

AND EVERYBODY GETS, YOU KNOW, CEU KIND OF MORE ON THAT.

BUT UM, THE TARP IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDING, UM, ELIMINATING THAT PRACTICE.

THE NEXT, UM, TRANCHE OF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, UM, REGARDING OUR MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS. SO, UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST BARRIERS THAT COMES UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN, UM, TO PROVIDING STREET TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ARE, IS OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENT FOR LICENSE AGREEMENTS.

UM, RIGHT NOW, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, A PRIVATE PARTY WANTS TO PROVIDE A TREE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT ONEROUS PROCESS OF, OF OBTAINING, UM, A LICENSE AGREEMENT, UM, REVIEW AND PERMIT FOR IT, WHICH IS ENTIRELY SEPARATE TO THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE GOING THROUGH SITE PLAN AGAIN FOR YOUR TREE.

UM, AND, UM, IT IS, UM, ABSOLUTELY A BARRIER, ABSOLUTELY A BARRIER.

UM, SO, UM, NUMBER EIGHT HERE IS JUST TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR LICENSE AGREEMENTS.

UH, THE INTENT HERE IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE RESOURCES OR CAPACITY TO MAINTAIN TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THE LICENSE AGREEMENT IS INTENDED TO KIND OF LEGALLY DOCUMENT, HEY, YOU'VE PUT THIS THING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, BUT LEGALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU PROPERTY OWNER ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THIS THING.

UM, AND IT COULD BE ANYTHING AND LICENSE AGREEMENTS RE, YOU KNOW, COULD RELATE TO ANYTHING.

SOMEONE THAT'S PUT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, SPECIAL, SPECIAL ART OR PAVING OR TREES OR LANDSCAPING OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, AND WE DO CURRENTLY REQUIRE LICENSE AGREEMENTS FOR TREES.

UM,

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UM, WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION THEN, HOW WILL STREET TREES BE MAINTAINED? UM, SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FOR THAT.

UM, AND YOU'LL SEE IN KIND OF THE PEER CITY, UM, ANALYSIS.

UM, MANY CITIES JUST HAVE UNIVERSAL CODE PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN TREES ALONG THEIR PROPERTY FRONTAGE.

UM, THAT WAS THE CASE IN, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED IN SEATTLE AND PORTLAND.

THAT'S THE CASE IN BOTH OF THOSE CITIES.

UM, AND IT'S JUST STATED ONCE UNIVERSALLY IN CODE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO KIND OF A ONE OFF REPLICATION FOR EVERY SINGLE TREE THAT COMES INTO THE CITY.

UM, IT'S JUST STATED IN CODE.

UM, BUT THE TARUS, UH, IS LOOKING TO KIND OF SET THE BAR A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

AND, AND THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER NINE HERE, IT'S TO REALLY EXPLORE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY LED MAINTENANCE OF TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND THEIR, UM, MOTIVATION HERE IS JUST TO, IS LARGELY TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT TREES ARE MAINTAINED PROPERLY.

UM, THE, THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH, UM, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER LED MAINTENANCE.

UM, OFTENTIMES, FRANKLY, STAFF HAVE TO, THERE'S STAFF OVERHEAD INVOLVED WITH THAT ANYWAY, RIGHT? UM, YOU HAVE 3 1 1 REPORTS OR, AND YOU HAVE TO, LIKE, YOU STILL HAVE TO PERMIT THE WORK TO MAKE, MAKE SURE IT'S DONE PROPERLY.

UM, THERE, THERE'S STILL KIND OF TRACKING AND MAINTENANCE INVOLVED.

UM, SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE THINKING IS WHAT REALLY IS THE DELTA TO JUST, UM, ASSUMING CITY MAINTENANCE, UM, AND, UM, THE, THEN WE CAN MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE URBAN FORESTRY AND UM, PERSPECTIVE, THEN WE CAN MAKE SURE THE MAINTENANCE IS DONE PROPERLY.

THAT WE'RE OUT THERE TRIMMING TREES IN ADVANCE OF TERRIBLE STORM EVENTS, UM, THAT TREES AREN'T GETTING TOPPED, THAT TREES AREN'T GROWING INTO, UM, TREE GRATES, UM, AND STIFLING AND KILLING THE TREE.

UM, OF COURSE THIS WOULD BE A NEW CITY PROGRAM THAT WOULD COME WITH A BIG MAINTENANCE BUDGET REQUIREMENT.

SO THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, HAS A BIG STAR NEXT TO IT.

UM, AND THIS WOULD BE A BIG LIFT THAT WOULD NEED A NEW REVENUE STREAM.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO THINK CREATIVELY HERE.

UM, HOW MIGHT WE WORK WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE MAINTAIN TREES AND VEGETATION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY? OTHER CITIES HAVE FRIENDS OF GROUPS, UM, THAT DO SOME OF THE HEAVY LIFTING IN THIS CATEGORY.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SPECTRUM OF OPTIONS FOR MAINTENANCE, UM, BETWEEN POVERTY OWNER AND CITY LED.

AND, AND MAYBE THE RIGHT PLACE TO LAND IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO EXPLORE.

UM, NUMBER 10, UM, REGARDING MAINTENANCES, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE CITY IS GETTING MORE INVOLVED WITH MAINTAINING STREET TREES, WE NEED TO HAVE AN ASSET INVENTORY OF WHAT'S OUT THERE, A CONDITION ASSESSMENT.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE OUR GAPS ARE.

UM, WE CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT TAKING ON A NEW ASSET CLASS, UH, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S OUT THERE.

UM, SO THAT'S NUMBER 10.

UM, AND THEN ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS IN PLACE, UM, REGULATORY, PROGRAMMATIC PROCESS THAT REALLY PUTS THE CITY IN A POSITION THANK YOU, UM, TO BE ABLE TO START TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, HOW DO WE START TO INTEGRATE SOME OF THESE NEW PRACTICES INTO OUR CAPITAL PLANNING AND PROCESSES AND PROJECTS? SO NUMBER 11 HERE IS IS TO DEVELOP A CAPITAL PLAN FOR INVESTING IN GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, AND AGAIN, KNOWING WHAT'S OUT THERE AND WHERE THE GAPS ARE, GIVES YOU THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND TO START THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES FOR, FOR INFILL? UM, WHERE ARE THOSE NEEDS? WHAT ARE, WHAT SHOULD OUR PROGRAMMATIC TARGETS BE FOR TREE COVERAGE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY? AND HOW DO WE KIND OF LEVERAGE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS ACROSS DEPARTMENTS TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN, UH, AN EFFICIENT, INTELLIGENT WAY? AND THEN FINALLY, NUMBER 12 HERE IS TO BEGIN TO INCORPORATE STREET TREES INTO THE BASELINE SCOPE AND, AND BUDGETS FOR OUR LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

UM, AND, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE, HAVE RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE NEED TO THINK, THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TREES THEMSELVES AREN'T PARTICULARLY EXPENSIVE, BUT MOVING UTILITIES TO ACCOMMODATE TREES SURE COST A LOT OF MONEY.

UM, AND, AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT KIND OF TRADE-OFFS.

IF WE ARE GONNA REQUIRE TREES WITH OUR LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT HOW MANY MILES OF, OF YOU KNOW, X THAT WE CAN DELIVER? UM, IT'S, IT'S A CONSIDERATION TO THINK ABOUT, CERTAINLY.

UM, BUT WE CAN LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO KIND OF MAXIMIZE COST SHARING AND LEVERAGE AND, AND THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY THERE.

UM, SO THOSE ARE THE TARPS 12 RECOMMENDATIONS

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WHERE WE ARE NOW.

WE, UM, DID BRIEF COUNCIL MOBILITY COMMITTEE, UM, ON THESE TARP RECOMMENDATIONS BACK ON SEPTEMBER 18TH.

UM, AND WE ARE KIND OF MAKING THE ROUNDS NOW WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO THANKS FOR HAVING US TODAY.

WE WILL BE, UM, PROVIDING, UM, A MEMO TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UM, TOWARD THE END OF THE MONTH.

UM, AND THAT MEMO WILL CONTAIN, UM, A LINK TO THE TARPS FULL, UM, REPORT, WHICH INCLUDES APPENDIX ITEMS ON THE BARRIERS TECHNICAL MEMO AND THE TECHNICAL MEMO LOOKING AT PEER CITY AND PRECEDENTS, UH, BEST PRACTICES.

AND IN THAT MEMO, UM, WE'LL PROVIDE KIND OF AN INTERDEPARTMENTAL STAFF RESPONSE REGARDING HOW WE THINK WE CAN INCORPORATE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS INTO OUR WORK PLAN, UM, IN THE COMING YEARS.

UM, SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT AND, UM, WITH THAT ALSO TALKING, AND LAUREN AND I ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CREATE, UH, THAT, THAT STREET FURNITURE ? I WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WOULD LOVE TO REQUEST THAT I, I MIGHT'VE MISSED AN EMAIL TODAY 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ON MY EMAIL SINCE LAST MY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS' EMAILS SINCE LAST NIGHT.

BUT WOULD LOVE TO GET, UM, EMAILED A LINK TO THE, UM, FULL PRESENT, FULL REPORT SO THAT WE CAN, UH, COMMISSIONERS CAN LOOK THROUGH THAT.

SO IF YOU COULD GET THAT TO OUR STAFF LIAISON AND DISTRIBUTE THAT OUT, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF US WOULD LOVE TO DIG INTO THAT MORE.

UM, NO ONE ON THIS COMMISSION WHO'S BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION ANY AMOUNT OF TIME IS GONNA BE SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT.

I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TREE MAINTENANCE AS I'M DEVELOPING MY LIST OF NAUGHTY PEOPLE AND THEIR NAUGHTY TREE BEHAVIOR.

SO LET ME JUST TELL YOU A LITTLE STORY HERE.

I WAS, UM, RECENTLY IN A TOTALLY UNRELATED MEETING ABOUT PROJECT CONNECT, UH, DESIGN FOR AUSTIN LIGHT RAIL ON SOUTH CONGRESS BOULEVARD.

AND WE WERE, YOU KNOW, DOING SOME THINGS WITH, WE HAD THE LITTLE MAPS AND WE'RE PUTTING IN THE SIDEWALKS AND THE BIKE LANES, OR WE'RE TAKING THEM OUT AND WE'RE PUTTING IN STREET CAFES OR WHATEVER.

AND SOMEONE, UH, ONE OF THE MERCHANTS, UH, SOUTH CONGRESS MERCHANTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STREET TREES.

AND SOMEONE SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD STREET TREES ON SOUTH CONGRESS 30 YEARS AGO, AND THEY BLOCKED PEOPLE SEEING OUR STOREFRONT.

SO WE JUST WENT IN THERE AND CUT THEM ALL DOWN.

AND I WAS JUST LIKE, SO GOBSMACK.

I WAS LIKE, HOLDING ONTO MY SEAT FOR LIKE, DEAR LIFE.

ANYWAY, SO IT'S REALLY A PROBLEM.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, AND THAT'S A OLD EXAMPLE UNDER A VERY OLD REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? BUT LIKE, THERE'S A NEWER EXAMPLES OF THINGS WHERE WE HAD LICENSE AGREEMENTS AND PEOPLE HAVE RENEGED ON THAT OR NOT DONE WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

AND SO, UM, IT'S VERY CLEAR THE LICENSE AGREEMENT MODEL ISN'T WORKING.

UM, I, I WOULD LOVE, I'VE BEEN BUILDING A LIST.

I HAVE A LIST OF NAUGHTY TREE PEOPLE, .

UM, I REALLY, I DO, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ON IT .

AND SO, UM, MAYBE I'LL DO SOMETHING.

I KEEP SAYING I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING WITH THIS LIST AND, UH, TRY TO TRY TO FIX THESE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE CUT DOWN TREES OR TRIMMED TREES TO THE POINT THAT THEY ALL DIED, UM, WHERE THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PUT IN STREET TREES.

SO I HAVE, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO WORK ON THIS SOMETIME, MAYBE, MAYBE I HAVE TO GET OFF UTC AND THEN I CAN GO AFTER THE NAUGHTY STREET TREE PEOPLE.

BUT IT'S REALLY A PROBLEM AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTA FIX IT.

I KNOW THAT THE CITY MAINTENANCE IS A AMAZING NORTH STAR GOAL TO GET TO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN, THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN INVENTORY AND THEN DEDICATE AND MAINTAIN.

I DO RECOGNIZE THAT RIGHT NOW OUR BUDGETARY SITUATION IS ONE WAY, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW IN THE FUTURE A BUDGETARY SITUATION COULD BE A DIFFERENT WAY.

SO I THINK THAT I REALLY CARE A LOT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THIS TO GO IN, LIKE WE'VE GOTTA MAINTAIN IT AND OUR, OUR ENVIRONMENT TO MAINTAIN IT IS GONNA GET HARDER.

OF COURSE, WORKING WITH MORE NATIVE SPECIES AND CERTAIN TYPES OF SPECIES IS GONNA HELP, BUT WE KNOW THAT LIKE, IT'S JUST REALLY A TRAGEDY THAT A LOT, SOME OF, THERE, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF STREET TREES THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE PUT IN IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, AND THAT NO LONGER EXISTS DUE TO NEGLECT OR, YOU KNOW, OUTRIGHT CHAINSAW, YOU KNOW, ARMCHAIR CHAINSAW PEOPLE.

SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'LL DO SOMETHING WITH MY LIST SOMEDAY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT COMMENT.

I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT'S SO ENCOURAGING TO SEE.

UM, AND I WILL STOP AND LET OTHER PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS.

UH, COMMISSIONER SCHUMACHER, THANK YOU.

CHAIR SUMMERS.

UM, I JUST WANNA STOP AND SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE WORK PRODUCT I'VE SEEN OUT OF A COUNCIL RESOLUTION EVER.

SO, YOU KNOW, CONGRATULATIONS TO TAR MICHELLE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS YOU DO.

UM, AND IF YOU'LL, UH, HUMOR ME FOR A MOMENT, UH, I'M GONNA TRY TO ADD MORE WORK ONTO YOUR PLATE.

UM, THIS BODY, WE SENT OUT A RECOMMENDATION, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TWO YEARS AGO NOW, BUT MAYBE A YEAR AGO ABOUT, UM, STREET FURNITURE.

UH, THERE WAS A, A CONSTITUENT, UH, UM, WHO TALKED TO US ABOUT HOW, UM, IT, IT WAS BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO PUT A BULLETIN BOARD, UM, UH, IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF ALL THE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE TCM.

SO I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING AS WE'RE OPENING UP THIS, I KNOW THE PURPOSE FROM COUNCIL WAS GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ARE THERE WAYS THAT SOME OF THIS COULD ALSO BE APPLICABLE TO

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, SHE MEANS, YES.

UM, I, I DO ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL BE UPDATING THE TCM, UM, AND SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY THERE, UM, TO RETHINK, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PROVISIONS.

UM, I, I WANNA WORK, I, I WANNA GET WITH OUR KIND OF PUBLIC SPACE FOLKS AND THINK ABOUT LIKE WHAT THE LICENSE AGREEMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THAT AND THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS.

SO LET, LET ME DIG INTO THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

I'M JUST NOT CONVERSANT ENOUGH.

BUT YEAH, I'LL CHECK IN ON IT.

I HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS.

I'LL EMAIL YOUR WAY FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.

COOL.

COMMISSIONER KAMAN.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I JUST ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE.

I KEPT WRITING DOWN QUESTIONS ONLY TO GET THEM ANSWERED , YOU KNOW, A FEW SECONDS LATER.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, LIKE, THE THOROUGHNESS OF THIS REPORT.

UM, SO, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS WHICH, UM, I'M GONNA START WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, CONFLICT RESOLUTION, UH, PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE DEFINED HERE.

AND, UM, NUMBER SIX, AND, UH, I, I'M A, I APPRECIATE THAT IT SAYS LED BY TPW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, UTILITIES ARE IMPORTANT OF COURSE, BUT, UM, IN MY OPINION, SOMETIMES THAT UCM TENDS, TENDS TO, UH, BE A VETO POINT FOR THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL AND ON THE STREET TREES.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE TRANSPORTATION TEAM IS LEADING THAT, UM, IN REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATIONS.

UH, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS WOULD PROBABLY GO UP TO THE, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OVER ALL THE, OR THAT TEAM OR SOMETHING AND MM-HMM .

WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE LAST STOP ON THIS CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS LOOK LIKE? YEAH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE LIKE A VERY CLEAR LIKE DECISION MAKING STRUCTURE AND ESCALATION PROCESS BUILT INTO THAT MM-HMM .

UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR OVERSEES THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, THIS GUY BACK HERE.

UM, AND SO WE WOULD WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANNA REFLECT THAT CODE AUTHORITY IN OUR ESCALATION MM-HMM .

UM, PROCESS.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN INCLUDING THE TRANSPORTATION, INCREDIBLY COLLABORATIVE.

I MEAN, NOBODY'S HERE TO LIKE VETO ANYBODY.

UM, I MEAN, WE REALLY DO THINK WE CAN FIND JOINT SOLUTIONS.

UM, THE NEXT PART IS ON THE MAINTENANCE, UH, PORTION OF THIS.

UM, WAIT, ACTUALLY BACK TO UTILITIES.

I HAVE ONE.

UH, WHAT HAVE OTHER PEER CITIES DONE? HAS ANYONE ELSE ALLOWED THAT VERTICAL STACKING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE THE TREES AND THE POWER LINES AND OR THE, UH, WET INFRASTRUCTURE BELOW AND, UM, AND HAVE OTHER PURE CITIES REDUCED THE SPACINGS BETWEEN THE UTILITIES AND STREET TREES? UM, I, WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT LA THE LATTER FIRST.

UM, YES, OUR CURRENT SPACING BETWEEN WET UTILITIES, STREET FEES IS, IS MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT WE SAW.

AND SO ALMOST DOUBLE YEAH.

WHAT OUR, WE SAW IN OUR PEER CITIES, IT TENDS TO BE CLOSER TO, TO FIVE MM-HMM .

THE SAME PLACE EVERYWHERE, SO THEREFORE YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT SAME GRADIENT SPACED.

UM, SO WE THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, BEEFING UP THE ROOT BARRIERS TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME MORE COMFORT THERE.

UM, REGARDING VERTICAL STACKING, I CAN'T RECALL IF THAT CAME FROM A PIERCE CITY, LAUREN, MAYBE YOU RECALL? YEAH, I, THAT'S, UM, I WANNA SAY THAT THAT IS THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

MM-HMM.

AND I THINK, UM, IT ALSO KIND OF SPEAKS TO HOW I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA, IN THE END BE A MATTER OF TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX THAT ARE GOING TO BE NOT LIKE A BESPOKE CUSTOM APPROACH TO EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO, OBVIOUSLY.

MM-HMM.

THAT'S NOT A GO.

AND, AND THEN ALSO EQUALLY, OBVIOUSLY, IT CAN'T BE THE SAME SIZE, ONE SIZE FITS ALL, SO REALLY, BUT WE CAN GET A VERY COMFORTABLE MIDDLE, I THINK, AND THIS GOES ACROSS THE BOARD WITH THIS WHOLE EFFORT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE LEADERSHIP AND BELIEF AND, UM, KEEPING THOSE VALUES THAT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THEN FROM THERE, GO GO TO THESE ARE BONAFIDE TRIED AND TRUE TOOLS THAT WE FEEL CONFIDENT IN A STACKING AND STACKING KIND OF A THING MIGHT BE LISA CALENDAR TALKS ABOUT, UM, UH, I JUST HAD SOME IN, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH HER WITH SIDEWALK, UM, AND TREES ON A, OUR, MY OWN PROJECT.

AND, UM, SHE SORT OF HAS THIS GRADIENT IDEA WHERE THINGS THAT ARE EXTREMELY HARDY, LIKE THINK CREPE MORTALS AND, UH, PALO VERDE OR SOME, YOU KNOW, SORT OF IN THAT ELEVATE MID TO LOW TREES ARE, UM, PERFECTLY, THEY OFFER SHADE.

THEY OFFER, UM, WILDLIFE HABITAT BIODIVERSITY, LIKE A LOT OF, THEY ARE MICROCLIMATE CONTRIBUTORS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF AS YOU GO AWAY, UM, YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE SOMEHOW, YOU CAN GET SHADE TREES AND THINGS THAT ARE FULLY OUT OF THE WAY OF UTILITIES NOW THAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY STREET, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE CASE.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA ALWAYS HAVE UTILITY LINES IN

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EXACTLY.

BUT TO SPEAK TO, UH, SPENCER'S POINT TOO, THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA VARY A LITTLE BIT THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD SOLID, UH, TOOLKIT, THEN YOU CAN TAKE THIS AND THIS AND THIS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A HAPPY SITUATION WHERE BEFORE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALL PAVED AND HARD HARDSCAPE, UM, I PROBABLY GOT AWAY FROM YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT, UM, , I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, YOU WERE OH, THE, THE, THE PEER CITIES MM-HMM .

TALKING.

WE CAN PROBABLY DIG IN AND, AND FIND THAT.

WE CAN REVIEW OUR PEER CITY REPORT AND KIND OF REMIND OURSELVES IF, IF THAT, UM, KIND OF IDEA CAME FROM, UM, ANOTHER CITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING I MAY MIGHT MENTION IS, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT JUST KIND OF, UM, PRACTICE TESTING SOME OF THESE IDEAS WITH PILOTS MM-HMM .

UM, AND SEEING WHAT WORKS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, KIND OF FINE TUNING, SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE AS WELL.

ON THAT NOTE, WE DID TALK ABOUT AIRPORT BOULEVARD.

BEING ONE OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, RIGHT.

THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT NEVER GOT, YOU SEE THESE GREAT BIG WIDE RED SIDEWALKS AND THAT'S IT.

, THERE'S NO SHADE, LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY, AND THERE WERE PLANNED TREES, SO MM-HMM .

WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT AND SEE.

I KNOW.

I THINK WE KNOW ALL ABOUT AIRPORT B IN HERE.

UM, UM, SO I NUMBER, AND THEN I, NOW I WANT TO GO TO MAINTENANCE AGAIN, AND THIS IS COMPLICATED.

AND NUMBER NINE MAKES ME, UH, A LITTLE NERVOUS HERE ABOUT, UM, ASSUMING CITY LED MAINTENANCE FOR TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THERE ARE PROBLEMS, UH, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THE LICENSE AGREEMENT GOING AWAY.

I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER REGULATORY HURDLE FOR THIS THAT HAS JUST PROVEN TO BE VERY, VERY, NOT REFLECTING THE PRIORITIES IN THE CODE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AND, AND ITS MORE CONCEPTUAL DOCUMENTS HAS LAID OUT.

SO I'M GLAD TO SEE NUMBER EIGHT ON HERE.

UM, THERE HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE IN THIS CITY TO MAINTAIN ASSETS AND DEFINE THAT FUNDING IN, UH, BOTH OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND THE, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF, UH, BOTH THE, LIKE THE HARD INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GROUND, BUT ALSO FOR PARKS RECENTLY WE'VE HAD A SERIOUS STRUGGLES TO HAVE, UH, MAINTAIN SERVICE LEVELS AT A, NOT EVEN AN IDEAL LEVEL, BUT EVEN AT A PREVIOUS LEVEL AS WE'VE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF ASSETS.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, A DEDICATED SOURCE OF FUNDING, IF YOU WERE TO, I THINK THAT THAT IS A PREREQUISITE FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH CITY LED MAINTENANCE, IS THAT, UH, SECURE FUNDING.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HAVE COME OUT FOR WHAT THAT REV, UH, REVENUE STREAM LOOK LIKE? UM, WOULD THIS BE A SMALL INCREASE TO THE TRANSPORTATION USER FEE? MM-HMM .

UH, I, I HOPE THAT THAT IS INCLUDED, BECAUSE I THINK YOU KNOW THAT, THAT THE CITY IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD RESPECT THAT DECISION.

UM, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIPS I ALWAYS THINK ARE GREAT, BUT THEN THERE'S A LOT OF THE PAPERWORK THAT COMES WITH THINGS THAT WE HAVE LEARNED THROUGH THE DIFFERENT, UH, MOU PROCESS AND THE STAFF TIME THAT THAT TAKES UP.

AND LIKE, VERY EXTENSIVE POMAS, WHICH HAVE ALSO, YOU KNOW, TAKEN UP A LOT OF TIME.

SO TREES LIKE, UH, WRITING THOSE IS, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN.

UM, WHAT OTHER SORT OF REVENUE STREAMS HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF TO COMPLIMENT THE, UH, VOTE? LIKE THE, UH, OUTSIDE GROUP LED EFFORTS? YEAH, YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS ARE, ARE WELL HEATED AND, AND I SHARE THEM.

UM, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, WE, WE REALLY JUST NEED TO DIVE INTO NUMBER NINE AND REALLY LAY OUT ALL OF THE OPTIONS.

AND YES, IT COULD INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION USER FEE, IT COULD INCLUDE KIND OF ONE TIME MAINTENANCE FEES WITH DEVELOPMENT OR, OR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

I MEAN, THERE WE HAVEN'T YET, UM, KIND OF ARTICULATED AND LISTED OUT ALL OF THE IDEAS AND OPTIONS.

UM, SO THAT'S WORK WE WOULD HAVE TO DO.

WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SOME BRAINSTORMING ON IT, THOUGH.

THERE DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN, UM, PARTS OF OUR, UM, WORKSHOPPING WHERE WE'VE LOOKED INTO, UM, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AS WE ARE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS A CRITICAL, UH, PUBLIC GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT, UM, THEN MAYBE THERE ARE SOME ARRANGEMENTS WHEREBY WATERSHED FUNDING, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT SOLVES TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS OVERARCHING, UM, KIND OF, UM, APPROACH TO, UM, POSITIVELY AFFECTING URBAN HEAT, SAY MM-HMM .

UM, TOUCHES ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND MAKES A, YOU KNOW, A MEASURABLE DIFFERENCE, UM, THEN WE CAN PULL POTENTIALLY, UM, MAYBE I'M MAKING THIS UP, BUT, UM, SOME BUDGET POCKET FROM SOME BUDGET, UH, SORT OF POOLS IN WATERSHED PROTECTION.

AND, UM, I KNOW PART IS, DOESN'T REALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE A VERY LARGE

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BUDGET.

MAYBE THAT'S CHANGING.

UM, BUT POINT BEING THAT LIKE, IT, IF IT'S FOR THE CITY MM-HMM .

AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SERVED BY THIS, THIS SYSTEM, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS A, AS A FUNDING MECHANISM.

BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WOULD BE CONTINUED WORK THAT THE TARP AND THE WORKING GROUP WOULD CONTINUE PAST THIS FALL GOING INTO 2026 AND REALLY, UM, DIVE INTO THAT, AS MICHELLE SAID.

THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, I'M GLAD TO HEAR, HEAR YOU'RE READY FOR THIS, THAT CHALLENGE THERE.

UM, MY LAST COMMENT, I'M GETTING TO A PERIOD, I PROMISE.

UM, I THINK ON NUMBER 12, THAT IS ONE OF THE MORE EXCITING IDEAS HERE.

UM, AND I DO, THERE IS THIS LITTLE, UH, ASTERISK HERE AT THE BOTTOM ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT DOES INCLUDE A TRADE OFF AND THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A TRADE OFF.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR, I LIKE THE IDEA OF EXEMPTIONS FOR, LIKE, IF IT'S A PIECE OF SIDEWALK THAT WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS CHEAP AND FAST, AND IN ADDING A STREET TREE WOULD REQUIRE UTILITY WORK THAT COMPLETELY BLOWS EVERYTHING UP THERE.

BUT FOR LIKE A CORRIDOR OR PROJECT THAT IS A MAJOR REDESIGN WHERE UTILITIES ALREADY COMING UP, I THINK THAT MAKE, MAKES COMPLETE SENSE THERE.

UM, AND I, I LIKE THAT IT'S FLEXIBLE, BUT THAT IT IS, UH, ASSUMED TO NOW BE PART OF THAT BASELINE BUDGET AND, UM, ALL FEASIBLE PROJECTS.

UM, I HOPE THAT, UH, I THINK THIS IS GREAT WORK.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANKS.

I'M GONNA LOOK AROUND OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YEAH, COMMISSIONER BUFFO.

UM, AND AFTER MUTE, THERE'S SOMEONE ONLINE AS WELL.

UM, THANK YOU.

THIS IS REALLY, UH, INTERESTING, EXCITING AND SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN, UH, VERY WORRIED ABOUT.

SO I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, FOR THE REGULATORY FOUNDATIONS RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF TIMELINE IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE UPDATES TO MANUALS IN THIS SPIRIT? IN OUR FIRST PHASE? YEAH.

UM, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE, UM, 12 COUPLE YEARS, 12, 18 ISH MONTHS.

UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF WORK.

IT'S A LOT OF WORK.

AND I, I GUESS I THINK IT, THIS IS LAID OUT THIS WAY, BUT YOU ANTICIPATE ALL THE SIX THROUGH 12 BEING SORT OF DEPENDENT ON ONE THROUGH FIVE MM-HMM .

HAPPENING.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A MULTI-YEAR PLAN.

UM, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HELP SPEED ALONG THAT PROCESS, LET US KNOW.

SOME OF THIS WORK WE SEE AS BEING, HAVING POTENTIAL FOR OVERLAP, SOME PARALLEL TRACKING.

WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL MUDS AND OTHERS HAVE LIKE MIXES OF LEGAL ENTITIES THAT KIND OF REPRESENT GOVERNING BODIES OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS REGION.

I THINK SOMEONE ONLINE MIGHT HAVE HAVE, YEAH.

COMMISSIONER CHEN, ARE YOU SPEAKING? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

HE'S TRYING TO UNMUTE.

I THINK HE'S OKAY.

THE WEBEX , SORRY.

WEBEX WITH APOLOGIES TO WEBEX.

SO FOR THE BUTTON, IS THERE ANY, CAN I, IS IT, CAN THE STAFF HELP HIM UNMUTE AT ALL, OR NOT REALLY? NO, I TYPE THIS QUESTION.

NO, NO.

OH, TRY IT ONE SECOND.

CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT COULD HAVE HEARD WANT FOR ONE SECOND? YEAH.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

THERE WE GO.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING PATIENT.

MY COMPUTER JUST SUDDENLY DECIDED IT DIDN'T WANNA WORK.

I, UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING THIS PRESENTATION.

I LIVE IN D SIX AND REPRESENT D SIX UP IN NORTHWEST AUSTIN, WHERE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LOWER DENSITY, MORE SWEEPING ROADS AND WIDER SIDEWALKS.

AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I GET FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE A LOT IS, WHY ISN'T THERE A TREE THERE? SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE INVESTIGATING THIS IS AWESOME.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND TO THAT EXTENT, I'M ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT CURIOUS IF AS PART OF THE PRESENT, AS PART OF THIS RESEARCH PROJECT, Y'ALL HAVE LOOKED INTO COLLABORATING WITH ANY OF THE OTHER SORT OF, I GUESS, LEGAL ENTITIES THAT STILL COMPOSE AUSTIN, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE IN V SIX, WE AREN'T JUST CITY OF AUSTIN, BUT

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UM, AND I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF Y'ALL DID ANY RESEARCH INTO HOW YOU CAN COLLABORATE WITH THOSE MORE LOCAL GOVERNING BODIES TO SORT OF HELP US BUILD OUT MORE TREES ALONG STREETS THROUGHOUT AUSTIN ENTIRELY.

THANK YOU FOR, UM, THAT REMINDER.

YOU KNOW, I, THERE ARE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THE WORK TO EXPLORE THESE, HOW DO WE WORK WITH THE COUNTY? HOW DO WE WORK WITH, UM, TDOT, UM, I, I, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DIVED INTO THAT WORK AS IT RELATES TO TREES YET, UM, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU KIND OF RAISING THAT AND, AND PUTTING THAT ON THE RADAR.

SO WORK, WORK TO BE DONE.

AND I'LL, UM, KEEP THAT IN MIND.

ARE YOU SPEAKING OF EXISTING MUDS AND PODS OR NEW ONES? UM, FOR EXAMPLE, I LIVE IN THE ANDERSON MILL MUD UP IN LIKE THE MOST NORTHWEST CORNER OF AUSTIN.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS AS WE'RE TRYING TO ADD NEW TREES, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE MUD IS FINANCIALLY STRUCTURED, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE RESOURCES TO INSTALL NEW TREES OR EVEN MAINTAIN SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE HAD.

AND WE'VE TRIED TO COLLABORATE WITH CITY OF AUSTIN TO GET FUNDING OR JUST MATERIAL SUPPORT AND HELPING TO EITHER PLANT OR MAINTAIN TREES IN THE MUD AS WE'RE LOOKING AT SORT OF A BROAD AUSTIN WIDE EFFORT TO KIND OF GROW OUT OUR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.

I WAS CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'VE DONE ANY INVESTIGATION INTO HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE WITH ENTITIES LIKE THE MUD THAT I LIVE IN TO BASICALLY HELP MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE ARE AUSTIN, BUT ALSO KIND OF NOT WORK IN A MORE COHESIVE MANNER.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, A REALLY IMPORTANT SCOPE ELEMENT IN, UM, THE NUMBER 11 INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT, UM, KIND OF CAPITAL PLANNING WORK.

UM, JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW THOSE, UM, UH, ENTITIES KIND OF, UH, OVERLAP AND, AND HELP US WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION.

SO APPRECIATE YOU FLAGGING THAT.

YEAH, I THANK YOU FOR FLAGGING THAT AS WELL.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD CARRY ON INTO CONTINUED WORK ON THIS.

AND I HAVE A SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS TO SORT OF ECHO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CATTLEMAN BROUGHT UP WITH, I BELIEVE IT WAS RECOMMENDATIONS 12 AND NINE, UM, IN THE CITY, SORT OF TAKING OVER MAINTENANCE OF TREES.

ONE THING THAT WE'VE RUN INTO UP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT IT WAS BUILT 40 YEARS AGO, AND AT THE TIME WE HAD PLANTED A BUNCH OF ASH TREES, BOTH FOR DECORATIVE PURPOSES AND TO PROVIDE SHADE.

WELL, IT TURNS OUT ASH TREES HAVE A LIFESPAN ABOUT 40 YEARS, AND SO MOST OF THE TREES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS ALL DIED KIND OF WITHIN A VERY SHORT TIME SPAN OF JUST A FEW YEARS.

SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY TRYING TO BASICALLY IMPLEMENT ADDING TREES TO CAPITAL PROJECTS, AS IF NOT A REQUIREMENT, THAT LEAVES A STRONG RECOMMENDATION WITH ALSO THE CITY TAKING OVER MAINTENANCE OF THESE TREES.

HAVE Y'ALL INVESTIGATED WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FINANCIALLY FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO ABSORB RELATIVELY LARGE SHOCKS THAT COME AT TIMES WHENEVER A LARGE NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS ALL THEIR TREES DIE OR COME OF AGE AT THE SAME TIME? MM-HMM .

WE ALL LOOK FOR OUR, UH, PARTNERS THAT REALLY LIKE WHO'S GONNA BE ON THE STREET CLEANING ALL THAT STUFF UP.

UM, ANOTHER GREAT POINT.

UM, AND YEAH, AGAIN, I THINK SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY DRILL INTO WITH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING, UM, AND PROGRAMMATIC WORK, THINKING ABOUT, UM, HOW WE PRIORITIZE INVESTMENTS, HOW WE FUND 'EM, UM, AND UM, YEAH, IN REGARD TO MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS, WHAT IS OUR PLAN FOR KIND OF REPLACEMENT WHEN REPLACEMENT'S NEEDED, AND HOW DO WE KIND OF ACTIVELY BUDGET FOR THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT MORE KIND OF THINGS ON OUR NEED TO FIGURE OUT LIST THAN OUR SOLUTION LIST.

UM, SO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I, AS I MENTIONED THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A MULTI-YEAR WORK PLAN THAT WE NEED TO DEVELOP HERE.

UM, SO, UM, LOTS OF NUANCE AS YOU'RE POINTING OUT THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE.

AND I, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU KIND OF FLAGGING, FLAGGING THAT FOR US.

UM, REMINDER OF ALL THE FUN STUFF WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT AHEAD OF US.

, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF YURI OR HUGE STORMS THAT WOULD JUST WIPE OUT HUGE AMOUNT OF URBAN CANOPY.

WHAT DO YOU DO THEN? RIGHT? BUT, SO ONE WAY TO LOOK AT THAT IS TOTAL CRISIS.

AND ANOTHER WAY IS YOU GOTTA FLIP IT AND FIND THE OPPORTUNITY IN IT AND UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S TO EVEN MORE GROUPS OF, UM, MORE ENTITIES.

IT'S OF URGENCY TO SOLVE CLEAN UP, DO SOMETHING ABOUT.

SO THAT TO ME POINTS TO, WELL, THE, THERE'S VESTED INTERESTS IN EVEN GREATER RANGE OF ENTITIES.

SO, UM, THIS IS AN URBAN CONDITION THAT WE ALL NEED TO SUPPORT.

AND SO

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YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE FAIRLY PLACED IN THE MORE LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE, CITY LED MAINTENANCE OF PRUNING , YOU KNOW, IN A NICE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING IS WRONG DAY.

UM, SO ALL OF THAT STUFF COULD BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT IN MUCH MORE DEPTH.

AND I'LL JUST CHANNEL OUR, UM, OUR CITY ARBORIST AND, UH, NOTE THAT AS WE UPDATE OUR APPROVED STREET TREE SPECIES LIST, THAT ONE OF OUR OBJECTIVES WILL BE TO FACILITATE, UM, BIODIVERSITY SO THAT ALL THE TREES AREN'T DYING ALL AT ONCE, UM, OR AREN'T ALL SUSCEPTIBLE TO PESTS AND ILLNESS.

UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER AT FUTURE-PROOFING.

NO MONOCULTURES.

WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE AND IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AND A LOT OF THE CONSTITUENTS THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH.

AND AS CHAIR SUMMERS MENTIONED, I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO SEE THE FULL REPORT.

SO IF YOU COULD SEND THAT TO US, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS OR YEAH, JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ, NOT TO KIND OF REPEAT WHAT EVERYONE SAYS.

UM, I LOVE THE THOUGHTFULNESS OF GOING FROM KIND OF BEGINNING TO END, RIGHT? LIKE SEEING THE PROGRESSION OF EVERYTHING, UM, THE QUESTION, AND NOT TO GO BACK TO NUMBER NINE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S LIKE, WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M FEELING TOO.

IN YOUR REPORT, DOES IT KIND OF BREAK DOWN EFFICIENCIES AND BUDGET, COST AND BUDGET, UM, SAVINGS? 'CAUSE I THINK YOU WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO ONE THROUGH FIVE FIRST AND MAKE THESE CHANGES, THIS IS HOW A LOT MORE EFFICIENT WE WILL BE AS A CITY.

AND THIS IS HOW, YOU KNOW, MUCH SAVINGS WE WILL HAVE.

AND KIND OF BREAKING THAT DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALREADY IN YOUR REPORT.

IT'S NOT.

THAT'S WORK YET TO BE DONE WHEN WE GET TO THAT WORK.

I WE'RE YOU MORE WORK AND I'M SORRY, .

NO.

UM, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO KIND OF FACTOR IN, UM, TO THESE WORK PLAN ITEMS. YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE SPOT ON.

UM, AND WE NEED TO DO THAT.

WE NEED TO DO THAT.

IT'S, IT'S COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, RIGHT? YES.

AND I THINK BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD GO TO THE CITY CO, RIGHT? YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU COULD GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY SHOWCASE THE BENEFITS.

SO NOT ONLY IS THIS GOOD FOR NATURE, GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE ON THAT FIRST SLIDE, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY THINKING, THIS IS HOW WE'RE SAVING OUR, OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS, RIGHT? YEAH.

THIS IS HOW WE'RE SOLVING PROBLEMS THAT ARE YES, EXACTLY.

SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IN YOUR FUTURE REPORTS OR JUST AS YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, HOW CAN WE INTEGRATE THAT WITHIN, WITHIN EACH OF THOSE? THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE LAST THING.

I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS COME BACK IN 12 TO 18 MONTHS KIND OF, UM, AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.

YES, PLEASE.

DOES NOW BRING US TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION REGARDING THE RIDE OF WAY VACATION PROCESS AND AN OVERVIEW OF THE MANAGING DIVISION.

HOPEFULLY REALLY FAR.

, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[4. Discussion and presentation regarding the Right of Way Vacation Process and an overview of the managing division. Presenter: Joseph Fotinos, Austin Transportation and Public Works]

OUR PRESENTER IS GONNA BE JOSEPH TINOS FROM AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.

I JUST WANNA GIVE COMMISSIONERS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.

AS Y'ALL KNOW, ANYONE WHO'S BEEN ON THE COMMISSION ANY LENGTH OF TIME, WE DO PERIODICALLY APPROVE RIDE OF WAY VACATIONS.

AND SOMEONE CAME TO ME AFTER A RECENT ONE AND SORT OF SAID, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? OR WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? OR WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? AND SO I THOUGHT, WELL, OCCASIONALLY WE BRING IN SOMEONE FROM TPW TO UM, UH, SORT OF GIVE A 1 0 1 OF THEIR DIVISION OR THEIR WORK.

AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A REALLY, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT 1 0 1 BECAUSE IT IS A, A WEIGHTY RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, IN CITY CODE WITH THE VACATION.

SO, UM, I THOUGHT IT'D BE HELPFUL TO GET THIS PRESENTATION, SO WE TAKE IT AWAY.

WE WELCOME YOUR PRESENTATION.

CETERA, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, I AM JOSEPH TINOS.

I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER OF THE LAND MANAGEMENT GROUP WITHIN AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

THAT DOESN'T FIT ON A CARD, BUT THAT'S WHAT I AM.

UM, SO YES, WE DO COME BEFORE YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH RIGHT OF WAY VACATIONS AND, UH, PRESENT THOSE TO YOU.

UM, UH, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BASICALLY DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE RIGHT OF WAY VACATION PROCESS, UM, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS TO, UM, HOW IT WORKS.

HOPEFULLY THIS CLICKER WORKS.

IT DOES INDEED.

SO, A RIGHT OF WAY VACATION, UM, IS BASICALLY A REQUEST FOR THE CITY TO RELINQUISH THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST IN THE RIGHT OF WAY BACK TO THE ABUTTING PROPERTY.

SO THE RIGHT OF WAY IS DEDICATED TO THE CITY VIA PLAT OR SEPARATE INSTRUMENT.

AND THAT RIGHT OF WAY, OF COURSE IS UTILIZED FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES SERVICES, ET

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UM, AND OF COURSE, IT'S ALL UNDER, UH, AUSTIN CODE FOR, UH, CHAPTER 1411.

UM, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS REQUIRED TO VACATE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THE PROCESS ITSELF CAN TAKE UP TO 12 MONTHS, UM, SOMETIMES LONGER.

WE TRY TO, UH, STREAMLINE IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

UM, A A FINAL NOTE ON THAT IS IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARCELS WITHIN THE REQUESTED VACATED AREA, EACH INDIVIDUAL OWNER HAS TO APPLY, OR AN OWNER CAN RELINQUISH THEIR INTEREST IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH A QUICK CLAIM DEED SO THAT IT CAN GO THROUGH AND, AND, AND BE DONE BASED ON WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT'S HAPPENING THERE.

UM, SO HERE'S THE PROCESS.

WE START OUT WITH AN INITIAL CONSULTATION.

THEY REACH OUT TO US VIA A TPW, UM, LAND MANAGEMENT, AND WE MEET WITH THEM VIA ZOOM MEETING FIRST TO GO THROUGH EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AND WHY THEY'RE LOOKING TO VACATE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN MANY CASES, SOMETIMES THE RIGHT OF WAY VACATION JUST ISN'T FEASIBLE.

AND WE KNOW THAT FROM EXPERIENCE.

WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, AUSTIN FIRE'S NOT GONNA PASS THIS.

AUSTIN WATER'S NOT GONNA PASS THIS.

IT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY.

AND THIS SAVES THE APPLICANT THE, UH, APPLICATION FEE, WHICH IS PRICEY.

IT'S $14,413.

HOLY SMOKES IS RIGHT, .

UH, SO, UH, SO WE TRY TO, IF, IF POSSIBLE, SAVE THEM THE PAIN AND BURDEN OF GOING THROUGH THAT.

UM, BUT ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, IF THEY GO, YES, WE WANNA GO THROUGH WITH IT, AND WE SAY, YES, THIS IS A POSSIBILITY, WE HAVE THEM SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION.

THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED THROUGH THE A BC PORTAL.

THEY PAY THEIR APPLICATION FEE, AND THEY SUBMIT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED.

IT'S ALL VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND LISTED ON OUR WEBSITE.

SO THEY GIVE US ALL OF THE, UM, OWNERSHIP INFORMATION, PLAID INFORMATION, ET CETERA, IF IT'S TIED TO A SITE PLAN OR NOT.

UM, ONCE IT'S PAID AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN, WE LAUNCH IT FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

AND THIS GOES OUT TO BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL REVIEWERS.

AND, UH, THEY COME BACK WITH EITHER AN APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR AN OUTRIGHT REJECTION, AND IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THAT REVIEWING BODY TO SATISFY WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO SAY.

IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO WORK WITH THEM TO RESOLVE IT SO THAT IT CAN BE ACCEPTED.

AND THAT IS, A LOT OF THE TIME THAT IS SPENT ON THIS IS THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, FOR EXAMPLE, AUSTIN WATER, AUSTIN ENERGY, TIME WARNER CABLE, GOOGLE FIBER, EVERYONE HAS AN VESTED INTEREST IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THAT CAN TAKE SOME TIME.

WE SEND OUT A PUBLIC NOTIFICATION ONCE ALL OF THE, UM, REVIEWERS COME BACK, EITHER APPROVED OR APPROVED THE CONDITIONS, PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS ARE SENT OUT VIA CERTIFIED MAIL TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE AREA TO BE VACATED.

OKAY? AND OF COURSE, THEY CAN RESPOND, THEY CAN SEND IN THEIR OBJECTIONS, THEY COULD SEND TO US APPROVALS.

THEY COULD IGNORE IT, UH, PER CODE.

WE WAIT 10 DAYS TO GET BUSINESS DAYS TO GET EVERYTHING BACK BEFORE WE PROCEED ONTO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS THIS AUGUST COMMISSION.

WE COME BEFORE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, UTC AND PC TO PRESENT THE, UH, THE VACATION.

AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO JOIN US IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS WE DON'T KNOW, UM, ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE, WE HAVE THEM COME OUT AND WE ATTEND THE MEETING, AND WE PREFER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, THE NEXT PORTION OF THAT IS THE APPRAISAL PROCESS.

NOW, UM, LAND MANAGEMENT USED TO BE UNDER, UM, OFFICE OF REAL ESTATE, AND THEN IT MOVED FROM OFFICE OF REAL ESTATE TO DSD, AND THEN IT MOVED FROM DSD TO A TPW.

WHAT IS DSD UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

UM, THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS THE APPRAISAL PROCESS IS STILL WITH THE OFFICE OF REAL ESTATE.

IT'S THEIR JOB.

SO WE REACH OUT TO THEM, WE TELL THE APPLICANT, HEY, IT'S TIME FOR THE APPRAISAL.

YOU HAVE A 30 DAY OR 60 DAY APPRAISAL PROCESS THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM.

AND OFFICE OF REAL ESTATE ENGAGES A THIRD PARTY APPRAISER TO GO OUT AND GIVE THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY TO BE VACATED.

AND WE, LAND MANAGEMENT REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INPUT OR CONTROL OVER THAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.

UH, IT IS STILL WITH OFFICE OF REAL ESTATE.

SO OFFICE OF REAL ESTATE GIVES US THE PRICE THAT'S GONNA ENGAGE THE APPRAISER.

THE APPLICANT PAYS THAT PRICE FOR THE 30 OR 60 DAY, WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE, AND THEN WE WAIT FOR THE APPRAISAL TO COME BACK TO US.

UM, AND THEN WE PASS THAT ON TO THE APPLICANT.

APPLICANT PAYS THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

DRAFT ORDINANCE, THE PRESENTATION, ET CETERA.

ONCE THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE IS PAID, IT GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL SIX WEEKS IN ADVANCE BEFORE WE GO BEFORE COUNCIL.

SO WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER THE

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UM, THE, UH, A TPW DIRECTOR OR A DESIGNEE WILL REPRESENT THIS AT COUNCIL, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT AND OWNER, OF COURSE, SHOULD BE THERE AS WELL IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT GENERALLY, IT PASSES, UM, PRETTY EASILY.

IF IT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL, WHICH WE HAVE HAD A FEW CONTROVERSIAL VACATIONS, YOU'RE ALL NODDING YOUR HEAD YES.

WE, YES, WE ALL, WE ALL KNOW, UH, , THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE SEND OUT THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS.

WE FIND OUT THAT WAY, LIKE, OH, THERE'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW.

UM, ONCE THAT'S ALL SAID AND DONE AND THEY APPROVE IT, WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE GIVEN TO US BY CITY COUNCIL.

AND THEN WE, UH, THAT'S WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF THE, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.

WE RECORD THAT ORDINANCE.

WE SEND THE APPLICANT THE INVOICE FOR THE RECORDATION OF THAT ORDINANCE.

WE, IN THE MEANTIME HAVE BEEN DRAFTING THE DEED, WHICH IS GOING TO THE DEED WITHOUT WARRANTY, WHICH ACTUALLY GIVES THE RIGHT OF WAY BACK TO THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER WHO APPLIED, UM, THAT GOES OUT FOR SIGNATURES.

UM, THE ORDINANCE AND THE DEED ARE RECORDED.

THAT WHOLE RECORDATION PROCESS TAKES ABOUT THREE TO SIX WEEKS, UM, OPTIMISTICALLY.

AND, UH, ONCE THAT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, THEY HAVE THE DEED, THE PROPERTY IS THEIRS, AND WE, UH, SUBMIT IT TO GIS.

SO IT'S REMOVED FROM OUR GIS THIS SHOWS IT'S NO LONGER A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND IT'S TIME FOR QUESTIONS.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS.

UH, COMMISSIONER BEFO, UM, THANK YOU.

THIS WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

THANKS FOR COMING.

SURE.

UM, SO WHEN, UH, IT COMES TO US KIND OF LATE IN THE PROCESS, I THINK MM-HMM .

UM, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE, AND SOMEONE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW APPLICATIONS FOR A RIGHT OF WAY VACATION WHERE THEY TELL US THERE IS NO SITE PLAN.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE IF THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH LIKE PAYING LARGE FEE, DOING APPROVALS MM-HMM .

LIKE, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

WHY ISN'T THAT REQUIRED? UM, IN MANY CASES, THERE REALLY ISN'T ONE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

THE OWNER SAYS TO THEMSELVES, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT OF WAY WOULD, AND, AND I OWN THE PARCEL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF THAT ALLEY DISAPPEARED AND I HAD ONE BIG PIECE THAT I COULD COMBINE IN TOGETHER AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT I WANNA DO? IN THOSE CASES, THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE IN OUR APPLICATION, IN OUR FORM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LISTING AND THERE'S A QUESTION, IS THIS A SIDE PLAN? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH IT? AND A LOT OF TIMES WE GET THE ANSWER, WE DON'T KNOW YET.

WE JUST WANNA VACATE IT SO WE GET IT BACK, AND THEN THEY CAN DECIDE AND THEN THEY CAN DECIDE.

WHY DOES THAT NOT MATTER FOR THE APPROVAL PROCESS? I GUESS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER PERSPECTIVE MM-HMM .

LIKE WE SAW ONE FROM THE GIBSON STREET BAR RECENTLY.

AND THEY WERE, I, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THEY HAD A PLAN OR NOT, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF IMAGINE PROBABLY IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA ADD REVENUE TO THE BUSINESS.

SURE.

UM, BUT I GUESS FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE MM-HMM .

WHY DOES THAT NOT MATTER? MM-HMM .

UM, BECAUSE IT PER 1411, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO A PRO.

AN A BUDDING PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO GET THAT RIGHT OF WAY BACK TO THEM, UM, IF THEY WANT IT, BECAUSE, AND IT'S SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS FOR PRIVATE, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL.

I, WE'VE HAD RESIDENTIAL RIGHT OF WAY VACATION AS WELL.

UM, I WANNA, I WANNA BUILD A BACKYARD, SOMETHING OR ANOTHER, AND I, THAT ALLEY IS BLOCKING ME, SO LET ME GET RID OF THAT ALLEY AND THEN MAYBE FIGURE OUT IF I WANNA PUT A POOL OUT THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, IT REALLY IS, EVERY CASE IS VERY DIFFERENT.

SO LAND MANAGEMENT CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T DO A RIGHT OF WAY VACATION UNLESS YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN.

I SEE.

BUT WE ASK THEM, I MEAN, IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.

WE SAY, WHY DO YOU WANT THIS VACATION? AND THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE INITIAL CONSULTATION.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THEM.

WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SAY, WHY DO YOU WANNA DO THIS? MM-HMM .

UM, SO FROM LAND MANAGEMENT'S PERSPECTIVE MM-HMM .

IS THE CONSIDERATION FOR LIKE SHEPHERDING AND PROCESS THROUGH LIKE, REALLY WE DON'T NEED THIS LAND, SO IT'S OKAY, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE IT BACK.

OR I GUESS WHAT ARE THE, WELL, THE WE THAT WE FACTORS THE, WE DON'T NEED THIS LAND IS NOT, UH, WE CAN'T SAY THAT THAT'S THE REVIEWER'S PROCESS TO DO UHHUH .

SO WE CAN'T LOOK AT SOMETHING UNLESS THE, IN THE INITIAL CO UH, INITIAL CONSULTATION WE SAY, HEY, WATER'S LINE HERE, ELECTRIC LINE HERE, YOU CAN'T CLOSE OFF HALF A STREET 'CAUSE FIRE HAS TO GET IN HERE.

MM.

SO WE KNOW WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACCEPTED, BUT IN THE END, WE ARE THE CONDUIT.

WE TAKE IT AND PASS IT ON TO THE REVIEWERS AND THE REVIEWERS COME BACK.

I SEE.

AND, AND MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE IT.

AND THEN THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION IS JUST ONE NOTIFICATION.

CORRECT.

AND A NON-RESPONSE IS CONSIDERED A RESPONSE? YES.

UM, AND 'CAUSE IT HAS STILL HAS TO GO TO OUR DIRECTOR WHO HAS TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT TO PUSH IT ALL THE WAY TO COUNCIL MM-HMM .

UM, SO I'M STILL NOT CLEAR.

SO THEN IT GOES TO THE COMMISSIONS, LIKE, WHY DOES IT COME TO US? WAIT, WHAT? AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I GUESS IF THERE, IF WE'RE GONNA GET THE SAME INFORMATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN GOTTEN MM-HMM .

WHAT IS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND PLEASE TAKE NO OFFENSE, THIS IS AN ADVISORY AND SO YEAH.

YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS CARRIE'S WEIGHT OR YOUR I DO NOT APPROVE THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR THIS CARRIE'S WEIGHT.

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SO IF THIS AUGUST BODY SAYS, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, IT'S CONSIDERED AND OUR DIRECTOR HAS THE RIGHT AT ANY POINT TO KILL THIS AND SAY WE'RE NOT GOING FORWARD.

SO REALLY IT'S FOR US TO GIVE FEEDBACK TO COUNCIL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PRUDENT MM-HMM .

REGARDLESS OF THE ABSOLUTELY.

PLAN OR LACK OF SITE PLAN MM-HMM .

REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY FIGURED OUT THE UTILITY IMPLICATIONS RIGHT.

AND FIRE AND ALL THAT.

SO IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC USE OF THAT SPACE? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND, AND YOUR VOTE, YOUR APPROVAL OR, OR DIS RULE IS INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION.

SO THE COUNCIL HAS YOUR VOTE, SO THEY CAN CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.

AND SO BEFORE IT COMES TO US, IS THE ONLY, LIKE, I MEAN, I CAN'T, IT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE, BUT IS THE ONLY INVESTMENT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE THAT 14,000 APPLICATION FEE, ARE THERE OTHER WELL, THEY, THEY, THEY DO THE $14,000 APPLICATION FEE, AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY DO THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION THAT THE PAY THEY HAVE TO REIMBURSE US FOR THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.

UM, IS THAT LIKE A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SOMETHING? IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF, OF THE AREA.

OH, OKAY.

SO IT VARIES.

UH, IT'S USUALLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT COMES TO THE COMMISSION AND THEN THE APPRAISAL PROCESS.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE MOST OF THE MONEY THE APPLICANT HAS TO SPEND IS TO PAY THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH BY THE WAY, GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO WE'RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN SOME CASES, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

COOL.

SO IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY VARIED.

AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT LIKE WE'RE ONLY SEEING THE ONES THAT HAVE REACHED APPROVAL, EVEN THOUGH WE DO OCCASIONALLY.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT BEFORE.

YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY, I WOULD SAY 90% OF THESE ARE PRETTY NON-CONTROVERSIAL.

USUALLY A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT COMES TO US IS ALLEYS THAT AREN'T BEING FUNCTIONING AS ALLEYS, UH, ROADS THAT WERE PLATTED THAT WERE NEVER BILLED AND ARE SITTING IN A FIELD OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THINGS, THINGS THAT THAT PUBLIC IS NOT REALLY DERIVING A GREAT INTEREST FROM.

UM, BUT OCCASIONALLY THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE CONTROVERSIAL, BUT LIKE, I THINK THAT'S REFLECTED THAT THE PROCESS, BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US, IT'S REALLY BEEN THROUGH HOW MANY REVIEWERS DID YOU SAY? LIKE 15 REVIEWERS.

OH, YES.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND.

ONE TIME SAID, YEAH, ONE TIME.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN LIKE, LIKE TWO TIMES THAT IT'S BEEN CONTROVERSIAL THAT I'VE SEEN AND ONLY MAYBE ONE TIME WE'VE SAID NO.

AND THAT, AND THAT ONE INSTANCE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IT WAS, WAS LITERALLY BECAUSE OF THAT PUBLIC NOTIFICATION THAT WE FOUND OUT THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AT THE END OF THAT STREET, BECAUSE THAT'S A COM IT WAS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE OWNERSHIP.

THE ABUTTING PROPERTY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO APPLY FOR IT, BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION WENT OUT THAT THE, THEY WENT, EH, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE USING THAT.

YOU WANT IT, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT'S FUNNY HOW YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE, .

OH, IT'S BURNED INTO MY MEMORY.

I KNOW.

SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.

IS HOW DO YOU TAKE, UM, THAT PUBLIC COMMENT INTO CONSIDERATION, MOVING IT FORWARD.

WE INCLUDE ANY, UM, ANY, ANY, UH, UH, OBJECTIONS IN THAT REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION.

WE, WE LIST THAT IN THERE AS WELL.

WE SAY, WE'VE SAID PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS HAVE GONE OUT, WE HAVE RECEIVED X AMOUNT OF OBJECTIONS OR NO OBJECTIONS.

SO WE SENT IT TO A HUNDRED, WHATEVER MM-HMM .

AND THIS IS HOW MANY WE RECEIVED BACK FOR.

WE BASICALLY JUST, WE ALMOST JUST, WE LIST HOW MANY REJECTIONS WE HAVE RECEIVED AND WE TAKE THOSE AND WE CATALOG THOSE AND WE ACTUALLY HAD THEM IN FILE AS WELL.

SO WE CAN LOOK THOSE UP AND HAVE THEM THERE.

AND THAT COMES TO US AS WELL.

THAT'LL BE INCLUDED.

WE, WE PRESENT THAT TO YOU WHEN WE DO THE, THE, UH, UTC PRESENTATION.

WE'LL SAY, WE'VE GOT NO OBJECTIONS OR WE'VE GOTTEN X AMOUNT OF OBJECTIONS.

THIS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.

RIGHT? YEAH.

WE, WE HAD ONE AT ONE TIME WHERE THERE WAS, UM, A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY AND THERE WAS AN ALLEY AND THEY WERE GONNA CONSTRUCT ACTUALLY A MULTI-FAMILY AFFORDABLE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT.

AND THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT VACATE THE ALLEY AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WAS GONNA HAVE THE FUNCTION OF BLOCKING THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS VIEW OF DOWNTOWN.

OH.

AND SO WE GOT LIKE EVERYBODY IN THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY ROAD ROAD MM-HMM .

AND SO THERE WERE LIKE MULTIPLE OBJECTIONS AND MANY OF THEM SHOWED UP.

AND SO LIKE OCCASIONALLY WE DO HAVE ONE THAT WENT THROUGH ALL THE APPROVALS, BUT ACTUALLY HAS MULTIPLE OBJECTIONS.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO, THIS BODY HAS TO CONSIDER THAT INPUT AND HOW WE REVEAL THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST IN THIS, UH, RIGHT OF WAY IS, IS WHAT THE, WHAT THE MERITS ARE IN A CASE LIKE THAT.

IS THE, DOES THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION GO TO RESIDENCE OR PROPERTY OWNERS? OWNERS? SO IT'S THE OWNERSHIP OR HOAS.

SO RENTERS WOULDN'T BE NOTIFIED THAT'S THAT'S UP TO THE OWNER TO NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS THESE ARE HAPPENING AND IF HE, ARE THEY OBLIGATED TO? NO.

NO.

NO, IT'S

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COMPLETELY UP TO THEM.

WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.

BUT IF THE OWNERSHIP, IF THE OWNER SAYS, OH, I DON'T WANT THIS.

IN FACT, I WANNA MAKE IT REALLY, REALLY APPARENT AND I'M GONNA TELL EVERYONE IN MY APARTMENT BUILDING , EVERYBODY SHOW UP, EVERYBODY WRITE, OH, IT'S HAPPENED.

LET'S RALLY LIGHT THE TORCHES AND, AND GET TO THE CASTLE .

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHY DOES THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER PAY YOU THE FIRE, UH, THE FAIR MARKET PRICE FOR THAT PIECE OF LAND BEFORE COUNCIL TELLS THEM WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE APPROVED OR NOT? THAT'S A VERY, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

IF COUNCIL SAYS NOW AFTER THEY'VE PAID, DO THEY GET THE MONEY BACK? CORRECT? THEY DO.

THEY GET IT.

THEY GET IT REFUNDED TO THEM.

IN FACT, IT USED TO BE IN THE PROCESS BEFORE I JOINED, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD BY MY LONG, LONG TIME EMPLOYEES VERY, VERY SKILLED, MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN I AM THAT IN THE PAST, UH, THE, THE CHECK WOULD BE HELD AND NOT CASHED.

AND THEN IF THEY REJECT IT, THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST, HERE WE GO.

BUT CURRENTLY THEY JUST, THEY GET IT REFUNDED TO THEM.

IF IT, I TALKED TO MY TEENAGER ABOUT CHECKS RECENTLY.

IT'S NOT A CONVERSATION.

I RECOMMEND IF YOU WANNA FEEL , IF YOU WANNA FEEL YOUNG, UH, .

AND I GUESS ANOTHER ONE IS, UH, SORT OF REFLECT, LIKE IN CONTINUATION OF THE CONVERSATIONS YOU STARTED ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS AND SITE PLANS AND EVERYTHING.

SO THIS, BECAUSE IT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS, IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER THAT IS SORT OF, UH, THAT IS THINKING ABOUT WANTING THAT RIGHT OF WAY AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT OR A PRIVATE ROAD OR SOMETHING MM-HMM .

THEY CAN DO IT AT ANY TIME PARALLEL TO THEIR SITE PLAN PROCESS AND REZONING PROCESS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

THERE'S NO REAL PRESCRIBED PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT ENCOURAGES RIGHT OF WAY VACATION AS PART OF THAT TO BE, UNLESS THEY'RE GONNA BUILD ON THE LAND.

BUT LIKE SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.

SO IT COULD BE JUST ANY AT POINT.

IT'S UP TO THEM.

WE, UM, WE ACTUALLY RELY ON OUR PARTNERS IN, IN DSD AND SITE PLAN REVIEW.

SOMETIMES THEY ARE THE ONES WHO IDENTIFY THIS AND TELL THEM, OH, YOU NEED TO GO TALK TO LAND MANAGEMENT BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS A RIGHT OF WAY AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT VACATED BEFORE YOU CAN DO THIS.

SO MANY TIMES IT DOESN'T START WITH US, IT STARTS WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THEN THEY IDENTIFY IT AND GO, GO TALK TO LAND MANAGEMENT.

AND WE, WE START OUR PROCESS, BUT, UM, OPTIMISTICALLY WE'D LIKE TO GO HAND IN HAND WITH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AGAIN.

IT TAKE, IT CAN TAKE AN ESTIMATED 12 MONTHS TO GET THIS WHOLE THING DONE.

WOW.

UM, SO THE SOONER THEY START, THE BETTER FOR THEM.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY, UT IS IS A FINE EXAMPLE.

THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE UT LET'S HURRY UP AND GET THIS DONE.

AND WE SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO GET THIS DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THE SOONER YOU GET US WHAT WE NEED, THE SOONER YOU, YOU KNOW, GET THIS APPLICATION GOING, THE SOONER WE CAN LAUNCH TO THE REVIEWERS, THE SOONER WE CAN GET THE APPRAISAL, WE CAN GET IT ALL DONE.

BUT A LOT OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, UP TO THEM.

UM, AND THIS PROCESS, YOU SAID IT'S ABOUT 12 MONTHS, IS THAT COMPARABLE TO OTHER PEER CITIES AND EVERYTHING? IS THAT LIKE A PRETTY STANDARD TIME TO MOVE OR WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HOLDING, THIS DOESN'T HOLD THINGS UP VERY OFTEN, DOES IT? 'CAUSE I KNOW DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES ARE LONG.

IT IS.

UM, AS FAR AS PEER CITIES GO, HONESTLY, I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

IT'D BE A VERY GOOD THING TO INVESTIGATE.

'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, I KNOW THAT WE DO EVERYTHING WE DO PER CODE.

WE, WE DO EVERYTHING PER CODE.

AND WHAT I TELL THE APPLICANTS WHEN THEY SAY, WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG? WE SAY, WE HAVE ALL THESE STEPS.

WE HAVE TO DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU BACK YOURSELF UP WITH CODE, YOU CAN'T GO BACK ANY FURTHER.

THIS IS WHERE WE, THIS IS WHAT WE, WELL WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.

UM, SO IT, THE PROCESS IS AND CAN BE ARDUOUS, BUT WE'VE HAD WONDERFUL EXPERIENCES WITH BROADWAY VACATIONS WHERE OUR APPLICANT GIVES US EVERYTHING WE NEED THE FIRST TIME AND ANSWERS ALL QUESTIONS, AND WE CAN ZIP THAT THROUGH WITHIN EIGHT MONTHS.

YOU KNOW, BUT IT, AGAIN, A LOT OF IT IS BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT.

A LOT OF IT IS THE REVIEWERS, UM, THE APPRAISAL CAN TAKE UP, IF THEY CHOOSE TO GO THE LONG WAY, THEY COULD DO 60 DAY APPRAISAL INSTEAD OF THE 30 DAY.

AND THEY PAY THAT DIFFERENCE.

BY THE WAY, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO THE 30 DAY.

OF COURSE.

OTHER COMMISSIONER BUFFET, SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

NO, SURE.

UM, UNDER APPRAISAL IT SAYS HB 1295 IS NOT REQUIRED.

WHAT IS THAT? OKAY.

HB 1295 IS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE HOUSE BILL REQUIREMENT FOR THE, UM, I'LL SAY, I'M GONNA PHRASE THIS CORRECTLY.

UH, THE TRANSPARENCY OF OWNERSHIP FOR EVERY OWNER THAT HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN THAT PER CODE, UH, IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR VACATION FOR THAT TO COME OUT TO BE PART OF THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION TO SAY, HERE'S EVERY OWNERSHIP THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS.

UM, AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE ACQUA IN THE VACATION.

OR, OR LP, ALL THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REVEAL ALL OF THAT.

BUT I MEAN THE, THE APPLICANT, YES.

BUT SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE ENTITIES THAT ARE ONE L, UH, LLC OR

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OH, INTERESTING.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WE'VE NEVER HAD TO, WE'VE NEVER HAD TO, UH, UH, HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO TELL FOR A PRESENTATION.

SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS COMPANY WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT VACATION, BY THE WAY THEY'RE AFFILIATED WITH THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, AND ALL THESE PEOPLE.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN JUST THE APPLICANT.

THAT'S WHO WE DEAL WITH.

AND AGAIN, PER CODE, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO PROVIDE.

MM-HMM.

WHY, WHY NOT? WHY IS IT NOT REQUIRED? I DO NOT KNOW.

THAT MIGHT BE A COUNCIL QUESTION, BUT IT'S, IT'S IN CODE LITERALLY.

THAT'S THAT, THAT, UH, THE NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.

UH, HB 1295 IS, IS SPECIFICALLY FOR VACATIONS NOW, ENCROACHMENTS.

IT'S, IT'S NOT LISTED FOR ENCROACHMENTS, WHICH IS INTERESTING.

DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO US.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD, FOR THE COMMISSION IS DO WE HAVE LIKE A REPOSITORY OF LIKE TRAINING MATERIALS OR SOMETHING FOR LIKE WHEN THERE'S A NEW COMMISSIONER? LIKE THIS PRESENTATION IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD READ? I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE, I, NATALIE, IS IT SOMETHING GOOD TO SAY YOU COULD JUST SEND OUT WHENEVER WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER, MAYBE EVEN THE LINK TO THIS DISCUSSION? YEAH, I COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.

COOL.