Oct 27, 2025 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL]

PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

YES, MA'AM.

WE HAVE ONE.

EILEEN MCGINNIS.

AND YOUR NAME? EILEEN MCGINNIS.

WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

THOSE ARE POWERFUL MOTIVATORS.

HI Y'ALL.

MY NAME IS EILEEN MCGINNIS.

UH, WE HAVEN'T MET ALREADY.

I'M THE FOUNDER OF THE PARENTS' CLIMATE COMMUNITY, UH, IN AUSTIN NONPROFIT CONNECTING CAREGIVERS AND FAMILIES TO LOCAL CLIMATE ACTION.

WHAT BROUGHT ME TO CITY HALL TODAY IS WHAT ALWAYS BRINGS ME HERE.

LOVE FOR MY CHILD.

HE IS 10 YEARS OLD, BY THE WAY, AND WOULD BE ROLLING HIS EYES IF HE HEARD ME SAY THAT OUT LOUD.

UM, SO MY SON IS 10 YEARS OLD AND THIS YEAR HAS BEEN HARD.

THE MICROBURST IN MAY DID SOME MINOR DAMAGE TO OUR HOME, A BROKEN WINDOW, A FALLEN TREE, BUT IT LEFT HIM REALLY ANXIOUS ABOUT FUTURE STORMS MORE GENERALLY.

AS HE GETS OLDER, HE'S BECOMING MORE AWARE OF HOW CLIMATE CHANGE IS IMPACTING KIDS LIKE HIM TAKING THEIR HOMES AND FIRES THEIR LIVES AND FLOODS.

AND WHAT'S ESPECIALLY HARD TO HEAR AS A PARENT IS THAT ALREADY AS A FIFTH GRADER, HE'S FEELING PRETTY HOPELESS ABOUT ADULTS' WILLINGNESS TO TURN THINGS AROUND.

UH, NOT THEIR ABILITY, BUT THEIR WILLINGNESS.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND WHY THIS BOND, GIVEN THE LARGER CONTEXT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, IT CANNOT BE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE CLIMATE BOND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, BUT I DO THINK THAT CLIMATE ACTION CAN AND SHOULD STILL BE A MORAL ANCHOR, A MORAL COMPASS GUIDING THE CHOICES AND PRIORITIES OF THIS GROUP.

SO MY ASK TODAY IS THAT AS YOU CONSIDER THE BALANCE OF ITEMS TO INCLUDE IN THE BOND IN THE COMING MONTHS, TO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT CLIMATE ACTION IS A SUBSTANTIVE AND SIZABLE PART OF IT.

I'M REALLY WORRIED THAT IF WE DON'T CONSIDER OUR CLIMATE LEGACY, WHEN PU PUTTING TOGETHER THIS BOND, WE'RE MISSING OUT ON YET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN OUR KIDS' SAFETY AND THEIR RIGHT TO THRIVE.

SECOND, BY INCLUDING LANGUAGE ABOUT CONDUCTING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ANALYSIS ON ALL BOND PROJECTS AND BUILDING THEM TO A HIGHER STANDARD OF SUSTAINABILITY, YOU CAN MAKE REDUCING EMISSIONS A POWERFUL THROUGH LINE TO A BOND THAT VOTERS MIGHT OTHERWISE SEE AS A HODGEPODGE.

CLIMATE ACTION CAN OFFER A COHESIVE AND COMPELLING NARRATIVE TO BRING AUSTINITES TO THE POLLS NEXT FALL.

CHILDREN'S AND COMMUNITY HEALTH, OUR KIDS' RIGHTS OF CLEAN AIR IN A LIVABLE CLIMATE.

UH, AND I WANNA DISCLOSE WITH AN INVITATION.

UM, I KNOW AS Y'ALL ARE

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GETTING INTO THE NITTY GRITTY, UH, TO ALSO ZOOM OUT AND THINK ABOUT THIS BOND AS A LOVE LETTER TO YOUNG AUSTINITES OR IF THAT'S TOO ABSTRACT TO A SPECIFIC YOUNG PERSON IN YOUR OWN LIFE.

I KNOW IT'S A WEIRD CONCEPT SINCE BOND LANGUAGE DOESN'T EXACTLY HAVE THE POETRY OF A LOVE LETTER.

BUT THE LARGER INVITATION HERE IS THIS.

WHAT PROJECTS AND BUCKETS WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BOND? NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS AS A CITY, BUT AS A LOVE LETTER TO THE CLIMATE FUTURE OUR KIDS DESERVE.

I FOR ONE, WANT TO SEE A BOND THAT PRIORITIZES MEANINGFUL EQUITABLE ACTION ON OUR KIDS' CLIMATE.

ONE THAT I CAN BE PROUD TO TELL MY 10-YEAR-OLD ABOUT AND TO ADVOCATE FOR ALONGSIDE HIM NEXT YEAR.

OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM ONE OF THE AGENDA.

[1. Approve the minutes of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force Regular Called meeting on September 22, 2025.]

APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE REGULAR CALLED MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2025.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

I LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY ONLINE IS RAISING THEIR HANDS.

OKAY, MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION OF COMMUNICATIONS SENT TO 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE MEMBERS.

[2. Discussion of Communications sent to 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force Members.]

UM, SO FRANCIS, I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THIS ITEM A LITTLE BIT.

UM, THIS CAME UP FOR A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN RECEIVING EMAILS.

I KNOW I HAVE BEEN GETTING EMAILS.

MARY'S PROBABLY GOTTEN THE MOST OF THEM AND I'M NOT SURE IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING EMAILS FOR THE PUBLIC.

AND WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WAY WE WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PEOPLE LIKE IN THIS MEETING OR IN SOME WAY.

UH, I THINK ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS I WAS LIKE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA LIKE READ THE RESOLUTION OR READ THE EMAILS, BUT IF WE WANNA MAYBE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE RECEIVING COMMUNICATIONS AND MAYBE JUST LIST THE NAME OF THE PERSON OR THE GROUP.

I THINK IT'S JUST A PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE EMAILS WE'RE RECEIVING.

BECAUSE EVEN EMAILS, YOU KNOW, FROM SOME OF MINE, I'M SAYING, HEY, THANK YOU WE'RE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM SENT OUT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, YOU GOT A BUNCH OF EMAILS FROM NICOLE A WEEK AGO, OR WE DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY DO ANYTHING.

WE CAN JUST CONTINUE TO SHARE THE ONES WE RECEIVE WITH THE WHOLE BTF.

WE JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING, ARE YOU REALLY SENDING COMMUNICATIONS TO THE WHOLE BTIF? AND SO I THINK WE JUST WANNA KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE ARE RECEIVING FROM THE PUBLIC IN SOME WAY.

UM, I DUNNO IF ANYONE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS.

UM, BUT I JUST WANTED FOR THOSE WHO MAYBE AREN'T AWARE OF THAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THESE EMAILS ARE COMING FROM BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING SENT TO THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND I THINK SOME OTHER PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE ADVOCACY THAT YOU DO IN YOUR OWN LIFE.

AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP.

IF ANYONE HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT, SHARE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU GET AN EMAIL.

YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE ONE OF THE I QUESTIONS IS WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE? ARE WE RESPONDING TO ALL OF THEM AND AND HOW MUCH OF ENGAGEMENT IS THERE GONNA BE DONE ON AN EMAIL AND SHOULD WE DEFER THEM OR REFER 'EM TO THEIR MEETINGS? JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT MAYBE HOW WE THINK WE SHOULD HANDLE THAT.

JC CAN YOU REMIND ME, FRANCIS, DO WE HAVE UH, A SINGLE EMAIL THAT GOES TO ALL OF US? WELL, SO NICOLE SENDS IT OUT TO ALL OF US.

SO I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK YOU SENT ABOUT FOUR, FOUR OR FIVE EMAILS TO OUR BC EMAILS.

BUT THERE'S NO BEATS OF EMAIL THAT THE PUBLIC CAN JUST ONE STOP SHOP.

MM-HMM.

THERE'S NOT.

AND SO LIKE I SAID, MY RECOMMENDATION COULD POTENTIALLY BE AT THE BEGINNING THIS, OF THIS MEETING.

WE COULD SAY WE RECEIVED COMMUNICATIONS, BUT FROM SO AND SO, SO AND SO WE DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE MESSAGE.

JUST THAT THE BIFF RECEIVED, I MEAN IT'S NOT THAT MANY, BUT IT'S LIKE SIX OR SEVEN.

IT MIGHT INCREASE AS WE GET CLOSER TO MORE OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.

THAT'S HOW WE DID IT IN SORORITY MEETINGS.

SO, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ALL OF US MORE HOMEWORK, BUT UM, IT'D BE NICE FOR ME TO SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE HEARING FROM THEIR COMMUNITY AND SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT PROJECTS WE ARE SENDING IT.

SO NICOLE IS SO LIKE WE ARE SENDING IT TO NICOLE TO SEND IT TO ALL OF US, BUT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT.

AND SO I THINK IT'S MORE OF THE PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE'RE RECEIVING IT AND SENDING IT AMONGST OURSELVES.

SEE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS A, A DIRECTIVE OR BEST PRACTICE AMONG US THAT IF ONE OF US RECEIVES AN EMAIL, WE SEND IT TO NICOLE.

WELL I THINK THAT'S UP TO, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S UP TO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IT UP FOR.

YEAH, RIGHT.

JUST TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

I THINK SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS AT LEAST THAT WE'RE GETTING, AT LEAST I'M GETTING AS VICE CHAIR IS SPECIFICALLY TO SHARE AMONG, THAT'S WHY NICOLE SENT THOSE LAST WEEK.

SO I'M NOT GETTING ONES THAT ARE FOR ME.

I WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EMAILS THAT ARE FOR YOU.

WE'RE TALKING ONES THAT ARE MORE FOR LIKE THE B TIFF.

LIKE THE PURPOSE OF THEM IS TO SHARE THOUGHTS WITH THE WHOLE B TIF, BUT THEY CAN'T SEND, SOME PEOPLE ARE SITTING AND BE SEEING, SEEING ALL OF US AND WE'RE BEING ALL BEING INCLUDED, BUT EVERYONE'S NOT NECESSARILY

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DOING THAT.

GO.

I MEAN, I'M HAPPY IF IT'S ANYTHING IS GOING TO THE FULL UH, BTIF TO GET ROUTED TO NICOLE.

UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY IT'S PART OF THE OPEN RECORDS.

AND GRANTED THEY WOULD HIT OUR EMAIL ANYWAYS IF VISIT OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.

BUT, AND THEN IF IT'S DIRECTED TO YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, BECAUSE OF YOUR ROLE WITH SPECIFICALLY IN THE DISTRICT, THEN JUST YOU, YOU HAVING THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT IF IT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE'RE SHARING, UH, OR, OR NOT.

AND I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR AND ALSO THE MAYOR MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS, UM, WILL LIKELY BE RECEIVING MORE EMAILS THAN THE REST OF US.

SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT THE CONVENIENCE IS FOR Y'ALL.

UM, MY NORMAL MODE OF OPERATIONS IS IF I RECEIVE AN EMAIL, I RESPOND, UH, WITH THANKING THEM FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SEND AN EMAIL AND THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN RECEIVED AND I JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE NEED ANY OTHER PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO FORWARD THEM ON TO NICOLE, MAYBE DO IT ONCE A MONTH OR EVERY COUPLE WEEKS SO WE'RE NOT GETTING IT PIECEMEAL.

IT HASN'T BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.

IT MAY OBVIOUSLY, LIKE FRANCIS SAID, IT MIGHT INCREASE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST GONNA, YOU KNOW, SWAMP YOUR INBOXES FOR NOW.

SO WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO FORWARD ALONG.

UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION OF THE 2026 MEETING SCHEDULE OF THE B TTIP.

[3. Discussion of the 2026 meeting schedule of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force.]

SO WE TALKED LAST MONTH ABOUT ADDING AND WE APPROVED ADDING ADDITIONAL MEETINGS IN THE MONTH STARTING IN JANUARY.

AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T HAVE LOCATIONS FOR MEETINGS THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN LOCATIONS OTHER THAN THIS ROOM.

AND WE NOW HAVE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF ABOUT SOME OF OUR OPTIONS.

SO I WOULD ASK, BARBARA, DO YOU WANNA, YOU WANT ME OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SHARE WHAT YOU TOLD ME? I TRUST YOU.

SO BARBARA IS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT USING DITMAR, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTH FOR, UM, SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS, WHETHER THEY ARE ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVE MEETINGS OR A COUPLE OF THE ALTERNATIVE MEETINGS, THAT'S ONE OPTION.

AND THEN AUSTIN ENERGY, IF WE WANT TO HAVE A FURTHER NORTH LOCATION.

SO IT'S UP TO THE GROUP.

WE'LL KNOW FOR SURE NEXT MONTH IF DITMAR IS AVAILABLE, BUT WE ARE PRETTY FEELING PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT, WHICH I JUST KUDOS TO BARBARA, UM, FOR CONVINCING THE, UM, POWERS THAT BE WHO RUN THE TELEVISION COMPONENT OF THIS, THAT WE CAN HAVE A MEETING OUTSIDE OF, UM, OF THE, OF THIS ROOM.

SO, UH, THOUGHTS ON, UM, WHETHER YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE OUR, ALL OF OUR ALTERNATIVE MEETINGS AT DIMAR, WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE JUST A COUPLE THERE, WHICH SHOULD ALTERNATE BETWEEN AUSTIN ENERGY, DITMAR.

THOUGHTS ON THAT? DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE OR WHAT , EVERYBODY'S SO QUIET TODAY.

YOU ARE QUIET.

DO WE NEED TO DO LIKE SOME JUMPING JACKS ALTERNATIVE MEETINGS? I CAN SHARE MY OPINION.

UM, SO I LIVE SOUTH.

UH, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE FAIR IF WE ALTERNATED, YOU KNOW, NORTH AND SOUTH FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS.

SO AUSTIN ENERGY DIMAR ON THE ONES THAT ARE NOT FOR THE DATES THAT ARE NOT ALREADY IN THIS, THIS ROOM? CORRECT.

I LIKE THAT.

CAN I ASK, WHAT IS THE ADDRESS FOR THE AUSTIN ENERGY MEETING PLACE? IT'S IN, ISN'T IT MUELLER? YEAH, IT'S IN MUELLER.

THEIR HEADQUARTERS.

IT'S IN MUELLER, YEAH.

ON MUELLER BOULEVARD.

HEY, THIS IS HAYDEN.

JUST LOGISTICALLY THE RAISES HAND OPTION AND THE CHAT ARE DISABLED ONLINE, SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU GUYS UNLESS WE JUMP IN.

SO I WONDERED IF WHOEVER'S RUNNING THE MEETING COULD AT LEAST LET US RAISE OUR HAND.

, SHE JUST SAID IF YOU COULD JUST RAISE YOUR HAND ON THE SCREEN, UM, SO WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF WHO WANTS TO SPEAK THERE.

SORRY.

CAN, CAN WE HAVE CHAT OR IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE? NO, IT'S A MOSTLY SOMETHING WE DO CHAMBERS.

NOT BC IT'S NOT AVAILABLE.

I'M SORRY.

IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR HAND THAT HAS WORKED IN THE PAST ONLINE.

I'M NOT SEEING ANY UP RIGHT NOW.

ANYONE ELSE? MY HAND IF I SEE SOMEBODY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? OKAY, I THINK I HEAR WE KIND OF CONSENSUS WE'LL COME BACK NEXT MONTH TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THE, THE, UH, THE SCHEDULE.

[4. Discussion and possible action to approve the presentation from the BEATF Community Engagement Working Group on the proposed BEATF led listening sessions plan.]

UNDERSTAND SOME OF YOU ALL READ THE OLDER ONES.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE PRESENTATION FROM THE BT TIFF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WORKING GROUP ON THE PROPOSED B TIFF LED LISTENING SESSIONS PLAN, FRANCIS.

ALRIGHT, UM, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ABLE TO REVIEW, I SENT, UH, THE PRESENTATION ABOUT A WEEK AGO, AND THEN I DID GET SOME FEEDBACK.

AND SO WE, THERE ARE, THERE IS A SIM MORE SIMPLIFIED VERSION THAT WAS SHARED ON FRIDAY WITH YOU ALL.

SO I

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SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE SLIDES.

IDEALLY, BEFORE WE WALK THROUGH, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I NEED TO ASK THE GROUP AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THEM BEFORE BECAUSE OUR CONVERSATIONS MIGHT BE SPIRITED AND I, I NEED SOME OF THESE ANSWERS.

FOR ONE, WE ARE TRANSLATING, UH, THE MATERIALS, UM, TO SPANISH, SIMPLIFIED CHINESE AND VIETNAMESE.

THANKS CHARLES FOR ASKING, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT WE KIND OF NEED TO FINALIZE THE STUFF TODAY AND TOMORROW.

SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIMME ALL THE EDITS.

IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN EDITS, PLEASE SEND THEM ON OR AFTER THIS MEETING IF YOU COULD SEND THEM ON, BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE TO GET THIS OVER TO THE CPIO TO START TRANSLATING.

SO THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT, THERE'S TWO THINGS IS IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE NOTES AT THE THREE MEETINGS.

NOT REALLY THE, IT'S REALLY THE TWO MEETINGS.

THE VIRTUAL, WE WILL BE FINE WITH THE VIRTUAL, BUT IF ANYONE WANTS TO ASSIST WITH JUST CAPTURING NOTES AND TAKING THEM OR LIKE CAPTURING QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY, UM, CAN YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW BY THE END OF THIS WEEK? UM, WE DO NEED VOLUNTEERS TO KIND OF HELP SUPPORT THE CAPTURING OF INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK, UM, FROM STAKEHOLDERS.

THAT'S ONE.

AND THEN TWO, I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION, AND I'M HAPPY TO MAKE, I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE ANY OF THESE DECISIONS IN ISOLATION, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU ALL IS FOR QUESTIONS, UM, THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED.

UM, I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING IS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OUR MEETINGS, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT THE CITY HELD MEETINGS, BUT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS IN THE MEETINGS.

AND SO I DO THINK ONE OF THE IDEAS IS THAT WE CAPTURE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE WORK TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND I THINK WE POST THEM ON OUR PAGE AND IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT, UM, THAT'S WHY WE NEED HELP WITH TAKING NOTES AND CAPTURING QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE REALLY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING AS TRANSPARENT AS WE PHYSICALLY POSSIBLY CAN BE AS VOLUNTEERS TO THAT TRANSPARENCY.

IS THERE A PRECLUSION TO USING A, A SERVICE LIKE OTTER OR ANY OF THE OTHER AI TOOLS? YEAH, SO WE ARE GONNA BE CAPTURING, WE'LL BE HAVING LIKE A TAPE, LIKE WE'LL BE RECORDING THE UH, STUFF.

BUT I THINK SOME OF IT IS, WE MIGHT WANNA, ONE THING THAT I THINK IS HELPFUL IS CAPTURING ON FLIP CHARTS AND LIKE, SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT WE'RE WRITING.

'CAUSE THE BIGGEST THING IS PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE LIKE, ARE YOU REALLY TAKING OUR NOTES? ARE YOU REALLY CAPTURING WHAT WE'RE SAYING? AND SO I THINK IN THE WAYS THAT WE CAN SHOW THAT WE'RE CAPTURING NOTES IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGIES.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO I I PLAN ON SUPPORTING, UM, THOSE AS WELL, THE ENGAGEMENTS.

SO YOU CAN PUT ME DOWN.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE A CONFLICT OF ANY OF THE, I'VE SEEN THREE POSTED SO FAR MM-HMM .

IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM .

SO, UH, FOR THAT, AND THEN ARE WE ALSO GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO WRITE DOWN THE QUESTION AS WELL? A POSTCARD OR SOMETHING? YEAH, SO WHEN I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE IN THE PRESENTATION WILL ACTUALLY BE IN HANDOUTS.

AND THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TRANSLATED.

WE WANT ALL OF THE QUESTIONS TO BE TRANSLATED IN THE SLIDO, BUT THEY'LL ALSO BE HANDWRITTEN.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE ANSWER.

THEY MIGHT, PEOPLE MIGHT NOT ANSWER RIGHT AWAY.

PEOPLE MIGHT NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEY CAN FILL OUT THE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM.

AND ALSO SOME PEOPLE MIGHT COME LATE SO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO TYPE IN THINGS, WRITE DOWN THINGS, UH, MANUALLY AS, UH, WE CAN.

AND I THINK THERE ALSO MIGHT BE A SUGGESTION, UM, I HAVEN'T LOOKED IN THIS IF POTENTIALLY HAVING IPADS OR LIKE HAVING SOME TECHNOLOGY, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO MAYBE WON'T HAVE THAT WITH THEM IF THEY ATTEND THE MEETING.

SO WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THAT KINK AS WELL.

ANY OTHER VOLUNTEERS OR MULE WILL SEND ME EMAILS OR MESSAGES IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS AND THE QUESTIONS.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD MODE OF OPERATION? WE'LL GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AND THEN POST THEM ON OUR PAGE.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

COOL.

ALL RIGHTY.

LET'S DIVE INTO THE PRESENTATION.

SO, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SYSTEM, I'M NOT ABLE TO BE LIVE IN SLIDO.

UM, BUT IF YOU, I DO THINK IF WE WANT TO HAVE A DRY RUN AS A TEAM, AS AS A BTF, WE CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 12 PEOPLE AT THIS MEETING.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHOW PEOPLE BEFORE THE ACTUAL MEETING 'CAUSE I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GO.

UM, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE PRESENTED.

THIS IS THE PRESENTATION.

THIS IS THE PRESENTATION, BUT SLIDO IS NOT, IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENTLY, THE SLIDO PORTION BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE LIVE IN A MEETING.

I THINK EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT.

UM, AND IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST NEXT SLIDE, SO THIS AUDIENCE Q AND A, IF YOU, UH, FEATURE WILL BE LIVE THE WHOLE TIME AND SO WE'LL, IT'LL BE THE FIRST THING.

SO WE'LL ASK PEOPLE TO DO THE QR CODE, BUT THE AUDIENCE Q AND A WILL BE LIVE.

SO PEOPLE CAN ASK, CAN PUT IN THEIR QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT.

BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THROUGH THE FIRST SECTION WHERE WE'RE EDUCATING THE FOLKS WITHOUT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, BUT WE WANT TO COLLECT QUESTIONS AS THEY COME.

SO WHEN YOU'RE IN THE APPLICATION, EVEN IF WE'RE ASKING ADDITIONAL POLL QUESTIONS, THE AUDIENCE Q AND A WILL BE AVAILABLE THE ENTIRE TIME, AS WILL NOTE CARDS THAT WILL BE DISPERSED AMONGST THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST TO GET PEOPLE ACQUAINTED WITH THE POLL FEATURE, WHAT MAKES AUSTIN SPECIAL, AND THEN GO TO THE AGENDA.

UM, SO THIS IS HOW WE'VE BROKEN IT DOWN.

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INTRODUCTION.

WHAT IS THE BTF, WHAT IS THE BOND PROGRAM CALL TO ACTION, LIKE WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO.

UM, THEN THE BOND PROJECT LIST.

UM, IN THE FIRST UH, PRESENTATION I SENT OUT, WE LISTED ALL OF THE, UH, BOND PROJECTS, BUT BECAUSE IT MADE IT SO LONG AND I KIND OF PUT THAT NUMBER, WE TOOK THE PROJECTS OUT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH PUT IT OUT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES TO JUST KIND OF SIMPLIFY.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME INPUT AND FEEDBACK QUESTIONS.

AND THEN AT THE Q AND A AT THE END WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THE Q AND A QUESTIONS.

GO AHEAD.

ON THE UM, LIST THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT, ARE WE GOING TO INCLUDE THE, UM, SUGGESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC? I DON'T THINK WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING THAT, BUT WHAT KAI AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT IS, I KNOW IN THE WORKING GROUPS THERE ARE MAY BE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME UP OR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE, PEOPLE WE WOULD WANNA ADD OTHER PROJECTS THAT ANYONE'S CONSIDERING IN THE WORKING GROUPS IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY ON THE LIST.

BUT WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON HAVING THOSE IN THIS PARTICULAR LISTING SESSION.

I MEAN, I, I PERSONALLY DO THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE THEM SOMEWHERE JUST SO WE DON'T GET A LOT OF REDUNDANT SUGGESTIONS.

LIKE IF IT'S ALREADY THERE.

I MEAN, WE, I, HAVE WE GOTTEN THEM YET? HAVE WE GOTTEN THEM YET? WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE UPDATED LIST.

WE HAVE ONE FROM, I THINK OCTOBER.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS OPEN UNTIL OCTOBER 31ST.

WE, WE GOT A FIRST ROUND THAT HAD BEEN RECEIVED BY THE DATE, I THINK OF OUR LAST MEETING.

AND WE SHOULD GET ANOTHER ROUND OF, WE CAN HAVE, I MEAN WE CAN HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRINTING OUT THAT LIST, I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T.

I MEAN WE CAN'T PARTICULARLY, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ON THE OLD VERSION THERE WAS A QUESTION OF IS THERE ANYTHING WE'VE LEFT OUT? OKAY.

SO, AND UM, THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT SAID, IS THERE ANYTHING WE'VE LEFT OUT MM-HMM .

AND IF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED REQUESTS, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THEY HAD THAT LIST.

SO THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD BEEN LEFT OUT.

SO ADDING THE LIST OF, I, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE GROUP, WOULD WE WANT TO TAKE NO, WE JUST WANT TO SHOW THE WHOLE LIST.

'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, IF THERE'S SOME THAT ARE NOT FEASIBLE THAT ARE ON THAT LIST, WE STILL WANNA SHOW THOSE.

HEY, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTIONS.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

UM, THEN THIS SLIDE IS TO KIND OF EXPLAIN WHO WE ARE.

AND THEN I LIST THE BETF WORKING GROUPS AND FRANCIS CAN, GARY HAS A QUESTION.

GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE ABOUT WHO IS THE B TIFF? CAN, CAN THAT COME UP ON THE SCREEN THERE? UM, I, I JUST THAT SECOND SENTENCE.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE B TIFF IS TO ASSIST IN REVIEWING AND RECOMMENDING PROJECTS.

I, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL HERE TO SAY THAT THE, THE REASON THAT WE EXIST AS A TASK FORCE IS TO PROVIDE A SPECIFIC LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.

'CAUSE THAT IS OUR JOB.

YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT BEFORE AND YOU CAN HEAR ME SAY IT A LOT MORE.

OUR JOB IS TO BRIBE A SPECIFIC LIST OF RECOMMENDED PROJECTS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I THINK THIS LANGUAGE KIND OF MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE ASSISTING STAFF.

MARY, WELL, DOESN'T MENTION STAFF, BUT I LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S SHORTER AND MORE DIRECT.

WE'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS ONLINE AND THEN I'LL, UH, CHARLES, DO YOU WANT TO, WE'LL GET THAT'S A PRIORITIZE LIST.

OUR JOB IS TO SUBMIT A PRIORITIZED LIST AS PRIORITIZE LIST VERSUS SPECIFIC.

HAYDEN WALKER.

HAYDEN, THANK YOU.

UM, CAN I SAY PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS? JUST TO EMPHASIZE THAT POINT THAT THERE'LL BE BOTH.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? THANK YOU.

THAT'S GOOD.

THIS IS THE KIND OF FEEDBACK I WANT 'CAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT.

SO THANK YOU.

BUT ULTIMATELY THE CITY DOES, DOESN'T CITY COUNCIL TO INFORM, SAYS ESTABLISH A B TO HAVE TO INFORM THE CREATION OF A COMPREHENSIVE BOND PACKAGE.

YEAH, ACTUALLY WHEN I SEE THE PRO, I SEE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION UNLESS WE'RE, I'M GOING AFTER 0 9 3 AS FAR AS THE ENDING.

AND SO YEAH, I TOOK THE, I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO, AND YOU'LL SEE I SIMPLIFIED OTHER THINGS.

LIKE I TOOK THE DIRECT LANGUAGE FROM SOMETHING ELSE.

AND I THINK IT'S OKAY FOR US TO SIMPLIFY IT FOR THE LISTENING SESSIONS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE WANT PEOPLE TO, WE WANNA BE AS DIRECT AS POSSIBLE.

AND I THINK SAYING WE'RE MAKING A LIST FOR CITY COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.

OH, I AGREE.

AND FOR MINE ACTUALLY GOES A LITTLE MORE GENERAL.

AND SO MINE IS JUST THE CREATION OF COMPREHENSIVE BOND PACKAGE.

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I THINK THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

WELL, BUT THE BOND PACKAGE ULTIMATELY WOULD BE DECIDED BY COUNCIL THOUGH.

BUT I THINK TO INFORM, YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT TO COUNCIL AND THEN THEY'RE TAKING OUR RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THEIR DECISION.

I I DON'T WANNA SAY A PRIORITIZED LIST.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE WERE TASKED TO DO.

CORRECT.

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, YEAH, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT AS PART OF THE BOND PACKAGE.

BUT THAT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THE BALLOT IS GONNA SAY, NUMBER ONE, THIS PROJECT NUMBER TWO THIS PROJECT.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WILL BE DELIVERED.

BUT WE ARE GIVING A LIST.

IS ARE WE, ARE WE, I THINK SO WE JUST WANNA TAKE THE WORD PRIORITIZE OUT.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S A RECOMMENDED LIST RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

A COMPREHENSIVE, BUT IT'S A BOND PACKAGE.

LIKE THE, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT GONNA BE LISTS AND WE'RE NOT HANDING IN.

LIKE NUMBER ONE IS WATERSHED.

LIKE THERE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GIVE FORWARD A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN AN ORDERED LIST.

SAME THING WITH SIDEWALKS BOND PACKAGE.

SO, UH, TO ASSIST THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS FOR A 2026 BOND PACKAGE.

CAN, CAN I, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S IT.

SORRY, CAN YOU JUST SAY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I THINK WE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AS PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE BOND PACKAGE.

WOULD YOU SAY RECOMMENDATIONS? WE WE'RE JUST MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE'RE NOT ASSISTING THIS.

I, I FEEL LIKE YEAH, WE TOOK UP, I'M TAKING ASSIST OUT.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE BIFF IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL FOR THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE.

PERFECT.

PROGRAMS ARE TO CONSIDER.

NO.

SO WE DON'T WANNA SAY PROJECTS OR PROGRAMS OR DO YOU WANNA GET THAT IN THERE? JUST SAY RECOMMENDATIONS.

I LIKE THAT.

YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG MEETING.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE BEAT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL OR THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE.

IS YOUR MIC ON? OH, SORRY.

OH, SORRY.

I TURNED THAT WAS ME.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THE PURPOSE OF THE BT TIP IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL FOR THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE.

AWESOME, THANK YOU.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

OH, THE OTHER THING THAT I DID IS I TOOK THE CITY SEAL OFF OF ALL THE SLIDES AND I'M NOT PUTTING THE LOGO 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE THE CITY OUT OF IT.

AND THESE ARE OUR SLIDES.

SO JUST, YEAH.

UM, SMART.

SO THIS SLIDE IS REALLY JUST INTRODUCING THE RESOLUTION.

I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE THIS OUT, WE DON'T REALLY NEED THE RESOLUTION LANGUAGE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW IT.

SO WE CAN KEEP IT IN THERE OR WE COULD DELETE THIS SLIDE.

UM, IF PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH ME DELETING THIS SLIDE, UNLESS YOU FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO KNOW THE BOND, THE RESOLUTION NUMBER THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, DELETE THAT.

DELETE IT.

I THINK YOU GOT A KNOW ONLINE.

OR YEAH, IN INSTEAD OF, OR IN ADDITION TO THAT.

NEXT ONE.

THIS SLIDE, UH, REALLY IS JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THEIR, UM, OUR ROLE.

AND I REALLY JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE APPOINTMENTS.

THIS SHOULDN'T TAKE BUT A FEW SECONDS, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF SHOW OUR ROLE AND THEN ALSO HOW PEOPLE ARE APPOINTED.

I'M GONNA JUST FLY THROUGH AND YOU STOP ME WHEN YOU ALL HAVE EDITS.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

UM, WHAT IS A BOND PROGRAM? A BOND PROGRAM IS A VOTER ISSUE, DEBT PROGRAM THAT WILL BE USED TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS ALLEY STREETS, SIDEWALKS, PARKS, DRAINAGE AND FACILITIES.

MOVING ON, UM, WHAT IS THE BOND, UM, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

NOW IF WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS TOO MUCH LANGUAGE AS WELL.

I THINK WE CAN, I MEAN I THINK WE CAN DELETE IT, BUT THIS IS A ONE THAT WE GOT AT THE BEGINNING TALKING ABOUT HOW BOND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS.

THERE'S A NEEDS INVENTORY LIST AND THERE'S A RANKING AND PRIORITIZATION.

UM, AND THEN IT KIND OF GOES INTO THAT RECOMMENDED LIST AND PRESENTING IT TO COUNSEL.

ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS ONE? I THINK IT'S, I'M FINE WITH IT.

I, IF ANYTHING IT WOULD JUST BE THE STEP, STEP ONE, STEP TWO, STEP THREE.

AND MAKING THE IMAGE LARGE A LITTLE BIT LARGER IN CASE IT GETS WASHED OUT FOR THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE AT.

YEAH, WE'LL BE HAVE THESE PRINTED.

WE'LL HAVE THE SLIDES PRINTED FOR SURE.

THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO EITHER INSTEAD OF, OR IN ADDITION TO THIS IS LAY OUT THE DIFFERENT, THERE LIKE FIVE KEY CATEGORIES BY WHICH THE STAFF MADE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I FORGET WHICH, WHAT THEY WERE, BUT THEY DID.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA ADD ANOTHER LIST OF CATEGORIES FOR THE PUBLIC, RIGHT.

'CAUSE WE HAVE TO, THEY KNOW WE HAVE THE WORKING GROUPS, WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT THE PROJECTS ARE IN.

I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADD THAT ONE AS WELL AS ANOTHER LAYER.

WELL, I'M JUST SAYING I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE MORE VALUABLE THAN TO KNOW THE TECHNICAL PROCESSES.

LIKE WHAT ARE THE PRINCIPLES BY WHICH THE STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING? OH, YOU MEAN INSTEAD OF THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE? UH,

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UM, BUT WE COULD ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SPECIFIC PROCESS IS AS IMPORTANT AS THE PRINCIPLES BY WHICH THE STAFF.

THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT'S THE, OKAY.

LUKE, THE MAJOR FACTOR IN ALL THESE DECISIONS, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW THE CATEGORIES THAT THE CITIES, WHAT CATEGORIES ARE YOU REFERRING TO? I DON'T, THERE WAS FIVE.

I THINK THEY'RE THE, LIKE THE VISION, YOU KNOW, IT ADD UP TO A HUNDRED POINTS AND THERE'S FIVE KEY THINGS THAT ADD UP TO A HUNDRED POINTS.

I THINK SUSTAINABILITY IS ONE AND EQUITY AND CAN WE AFFORD IT? I FORGET WHAT ALL THE THINGS ARE.

UM, FIRST THIS LONG LIST.

I MEAN I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY NOT NECESSARILY A BAD LIST 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

I AGREE.

OH, SO THIS IS THE IS THAT THE SAME THING? IT IS, BUT IT HAS A LOT MORE DETAIL AND I THINK, OKAY.

I THINK IT'S A QUESTION IS DO WE WANT MORE DETAIL OR LESS DETAIL? SO WE COULD JUST LEAVE THAT UP THERE BECAUSE IT TALKS EITHER WAY.

IT'S HARD TO READ THAT.

SO BE YEAH, I THINK BULLET POINTS OR SOMETHING MIGHT BE EASIER TO READ.

YEAH, I CAN READ IT FROM HERE.

OR MAYBE JUST CHANGING THE COLOR.

ALRIGHT.

MAKE SURE YOU, UM, MAKE SURE YOU USE YOUR MIC.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU ONLINE.

OH RIGHT.

PLEASE USE YOUR MIC SO I CAN'T HEAR YOU IF WE DON'T TALK ON IT.

I'LL MAKE THE GRAPHIC CLEAR.

WE'RE, WE'VE JUST BEEN DISCUSSING THE, THE GRAPHIC AND HOW TO MAKE IT CLEAR OR SIMPLIFY AND I THINK WE AGREED TO MAKE IT JUST MORE LEDGE, MORE READABLE AND SO WE CAN MAKE THAT BIGGER.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

THEN THESE SLIDES WE'LL KIND OF JUST GO THROUGH PRETTY QUICKLY SINCE THEY'LL HAVE IT, UM, WITH THEM PRINTED OUT.

BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR, UH, WHAT BONDS ARE WE DISCUSSING? SORRY, UH, WHAT BONDS ARE WE DISCUSSING? THERE'S A TYPO.

UM, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT GOES IN, WHAT'S A TYPICAL BOND PROJECTS AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT'S NOT TYPICAL, THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WE'RE NOT INCLUDING.

HEY FRANCIS, THIS IS HAYDEN.

COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF BONDS? SORRY, SLIDE 12.

UP HERE? YES.

SO I USUALLY HEAR 'EM CALL GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.

IS THAT THE SAME THING AS A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT BOND? YES.

BUT YOU MIGHT WANNA, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN IT'S MORE COMMON IN ALL MY YEARS OF DOING BOND WORK RIGHT HERE SAY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT BOND.

SO I WONDER IF IT SHOULD ALSO SAY GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YEP, THAT'S, YEP.

LET'S ADD THAT.

SO I WANNA, I'M MAKING THE NOTES IN MY, THE LIVE DOCUMENT.

SO JUST SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA USE ONE OF THE TWO TERMS ON THE SLIDE? YEAH.

PUT ON WHAT DOESN'T IT SAY IT AT THE TOP IT SAYS GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.

OH DOES YEAH, BUT YOU THINK PUT IT IN THE CHART.

SO WHY WOULD YOU PUT IT IN THE CHART? SO IS GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND, THAT TOP CATEGORY AND THEN THOSE TYPES OF DEBT LISTED ARE SUBS TO THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS COS ARE DIFFERENT FROM , RIGHT? WE'RE DOING THE PIS RIGHT.

THAT IS WHAT'S ON, THAT'S WHAT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT CLEAR.

I THINK I CAN SEE.

OKAY NICOLE, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO I'M GONNA UPDATE TO PUT NOW ALSO VICE CHAIR.

ARE THERE SOME WORDS HIDDEN UNDER THE TABLE? LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING TO THE LEFT, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TEXT PICKING OUT.

THAT'S JUST THE PDF VERSION.

IT'S NOT IN THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION.

IT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WAS SAVED TO THE PDF.

BUT IN MY VERSION AS THE TWO PEOPLE NEXT TO ME CAN ATTEST IT'S NOT BLOCKED.

YEAH, THE SAME FOR THE TEXT IN THE SECOND COLUMN, IT'S UH, CENTER ALIGNED IN THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION MODE VERSION.

SO JUST FOR ANY OF ANY FELLOW UH, UH, INDIVIDUALS LIKE MYSELF THAT ARE LIKE, THAT'S NOT ALIGNED PROPERLY.

IT IT IS IN THE PRESENTATION VERSION.

JUST NOT ON THE PDF VERSION.

ALRIGHT.

I WANNA KINDA KEEP IT MOVING 'CAUSE THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS.

I DO THINK WE HAVE SOME BUT DID, YES.

ONE, ONE LAST THING ON THIS ONE.

UHHUH.

UH, THE TERM, IS IT 20 YEARS? I THOUGHT IT WAS ISSUED EVERY SIX YEARS BUT THEY'RE STRETCHING 30 YEARS.

IS THAT RIGHT? IS 20.

THIS IS THEIR SLIDES.

SO , ALL RIGHT.

GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION CONSIDERATIONS.

HEY, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER.

UM, THIS IS LANGUAGE I KIND OF MADE UP SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY FEEDBACK.

BUT THIS IDEA, THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF RESOURCES, THE NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT THE B TIFF MUST CONSIDER WHEN RECOMMENDING A LIST OF PROJECTS.

SO THIS KIND OF THIS IDEA WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN LIKE

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UM, NEXT SLIDE.

UM, WHY HAVE A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PROGRAM? THIS MORE GOES INTO THE FINANCE EVEN THOUGH WE MENTIONED THEM BEFORE.

THIS IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL PIECE.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE CONFUSING LIKE WHY WE'RE KIND OF BRINGING IT UP AGAIN.

IT'S 'CAUSE THEN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL PIECE AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE I THINK THERE'S SOME THOUGHTS.

SO THERE WAS A BUNCH OF WORDS UNDER THESE IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION THAT I SENT.

AND SO I KIND OF, THEY WERE KIND OF EXPLAINING THESE AND SO WE REDUCED THE WORD, I REDUCED THE WORDS UNDER HERE TO KIND OF MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER SO WE CAN SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT RATING AGENCY CRITERIA, THE CITY'S FINANCIAL CONDITION AND FINANCIAL POLICIES, DEBT SERVICE REQUIREMENTS, AND MEASURE DEBT BURDEN ON COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

AND I KNOW CHARLES ALREADY HAD A QUESTION SO I WAS GONNA CALL ON HIM FIRST.

I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE COULD ALSO INCLUDE THE LIMIT THAT WE HAVE OF WHETHER IT'S SIX 50 OR 700 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM.

AND I THINK WE WILL AT SOME POINT BE TALKING ABOUT, WELL YES IT WOULD, ALL THOSE THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE GOOD, BUT WE HAVE TO GET WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT ESTABLISHED THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT, BUT WE KNOW WHAT THE CERTAIN AMOUNT IS.

I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE IT.

CAN I SUGGEST JUST ONE SLIDE THAT SAYS THE TAX RATE? THEN YOU HAVE THE M AND O WHICH SURPRISE SUPPORTS OPERATION INS, WHICH IS THE DEBT.

AND THEN YOU COULD SAY THE TAX CAPACITY UNDER THE INS WITH NO CHANGE TO THE TAX RATE IS AROUND 750 MILLION, WHICH IS WHY LIKE THREE BULLET OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING AT THIS CERTAIN AMOUNT THE TAX RATE WON'T GO UP.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S I THINK NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX CAPACITY, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT CREDIT RATE.

I THINK THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SLIDE THAT GETS INTO THE TAX, RIGHT? WELL SO BUT THAT'S, SO WE TOOK, I TOOK, I DID TAKE THE TAX OUT 'CAUSE I DO THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS.

THAT'S, I I THINK PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN M AND O AND INS AND TRE VERSUS THE BONDING, RIGHT? AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT ONE LITTLE SIMPLE SLIDE ON M AND O AND INS WOULD WORK.

AND THEN I THOUGHT THE INITIAL PROJECTIONS WERE BASED UPON THE TAX CAPACITY ANALYSIS THAT THE CITY PROVIDED US AND SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA STAY WITHIN THE 6 50, 700 RANGE, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

I'M TOTALLY WRONG.

WHATEVER.

HOWEVER WE GOT THAT NUMBER, WE COULD REFLECT IT THERE.

BUT I MEAN THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ON TWO DIFFERENT TAX RATES.

THIS IS NOT THE TRE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BONDING CAPACITY ON THE INS SIDE.

SHOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT UM, SHOULD WE ALSO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THE EXPECTED ADDITIONAL TAX WOULD BE ON A, YOU KNOW, $300,000 HOUSE OR WHATEVER THAT THEY OFTEN DO? SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS IS DO WE HAVE TO DO IT IN THIS SLIDE AND IN THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER, WE HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT ARE COMING AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET IN THESE EARLY, THIS IS MORE OF A LI WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE LISTENING PART.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

HOW MUCH DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO INTO THE FINANCIAL PIECE RIGHT THIS SECOND AT THIS MEETING? WELL I THINK FOR ME AT LEAST KNOWING HOW MUCH MY TAXES ARE GONNA GO BE UP UP WOULD BE WAY MORE VALUABLE THAN THE INTRICACIES OF SETTING, YOU KNOW, THE TAX RATE OR I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE KIND OF HEADLINE NEWS THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO KNOW AND WOULD THEN FACTOR INTO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO US OF LIKE, OH YEAH, UM, ACTUALLY THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE VERY MUCH I THINK YOU CAN GO HIGHER THAN 650 MILLION OR IN FACT, NO, WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

YOU SHOULD GO LOWER.

YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FEEDBACK FOR US TO HEAR AND, AND, BUT PEOPLE WOULD NEED THAT INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH WAS THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION TO, TO BE REALLY TIGHT AND SPECIFIC UNTIL AFTER THE TRE UNTIL AFTER FINANCES REVIEWED BE.

I THINK WHAT WE WERE TOLD LAST TIME IS IN OUR NOVEMBER MEETING WE WOULD GET AN UPDATE FROM FINANCIAL SERVICES THAT LOOK BACK ON THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD PUT NUMBERS, SOME NUMBERS ON THERE.

I JUST WORRY ABOUT MAKING STATEMENTS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE SOMEONE COME BACK AND SAY, YOU SAID THIS WOULD BE 670 MILLION, IT WOULD DO THIS TO MY TAXES.

I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE WON'T BE PREPARED TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE DATES OF THESE LISTENING SESSIONS.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.

I DO THINK A SLIDE, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ICU, UM, I'M NOT SURE I, I CAN ARTICULATE WHAT I I, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE, WE COULD GIVE RANGES.

WE'VE BEEN GIVEN RANGES, WE JUST, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM IN THE MEETING THAT WE DON'T HAVE FINAL NUMBERS.

IT WOULD'VE JUST VOTED ON THE TRE.

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RIGHT? SO I THINK FUNDAMENTALS LIKE WHEN DIDN'T WE JUST APPROVE OR NOT EVERY, YOU KNOW, I THINK EXPLAINING THE TAX RATE COMPONENTS IS A SIMPLE THING THAT IS KIND OF HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.

UM, SO THAT VOTERS KIND OF KNOW AT LEAST THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT TAX RATES NOW.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE CAPACITY IF IT WASN'T BASED ON THAT.

UM, IN TERMS OF YOUR YOUR YOU, YOU HAD A FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION THAT SAID SORT OF A, IT SAID I PULL, I'M PULLING IT UP.

SO UNDER MEASURED DEBT BURDEN ON COMMUNITY, IT HAD DEBT TO A TOTAL ASSIST EVALUATION DEBT PER CAPITA AND THEN IMPACT ON TAX RATE AND TAX BILL.

AND THAT'S ALL IT SAID.

AND UNLESS WE'RE GONNA GO INTO MORE DEEP, I THINK THE QUESTION IS WE EITHER KIND OF JUST LIKE TOUCH ON IT SO THAT WE CAN, ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE FULL INFORMATION, WE CAN DIG DEEPER.

I JUST WORRY ABOUT MENTIONING IT AND NOT REALLY BEING ABLE TO GO INTO IT AT ANY REAL LENGTH AT THESE LISTING SESSIONS.

I MEAN THAT'S THE REAL CONCERN.

I THINK THERE'S SOME PEOPLE IN MIND THAT NEED TO, RACHEL'S DONE.

UM, I WAS GONNA SAY I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT THE MEETING IS FOR.

LIKE ARE WE TRYING TO EDUCATE THE FOLKS ABOUT THE BOND OR ARE WE TRYING TO GET FEEDBACK ON WHAT PROJECTS THEY REALLY WANNA SEE? UM, 'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GET LOTS OF FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN LATER COME BACK OUT AND SAY OKAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU ALL WANTED AND HERE'S GONNA BE THE IMPACT OF THAT BOND.

SO IS THAT SEEM RIGHT OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS? UM, THAT MIGHT BE ONE WAY TO HANDLE IT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO A LOT OF THINGS IN ONE SHORT MEETING WHERE PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING TO, I LIKE IT'S JUST A LOT TO PROCESS.

THAT'S WHAT THANK YOU.

UM, I'M GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM FOLKS WHO KNOW I SERVE ON THIS TASK FORCE ABOUT WHY THE VOTE IS THIS NOVEMBER.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION.

UM, SO CONSIDERING THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE JUST VOTED ON THE TRE, UM, I DON'T WANNA DUMP MORE INFORMATION ON PEOPLE, BUT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A SLIDE THAT SAYS THIS IS THE TRE AND THIS IS ABOUT THE BUDGET AND GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ARE ABOUT BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE CONVERSATION THAT WILL HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.

YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON A NOVEMBER 26TH.

I JUST THINK MAYBE SPELLING THAT OUT.

'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED , THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THERE PROBABLY WILL BE CONFUSION AND WE SHOULD ADD THAT AS A SLIDE.

UM, WHAT HAD JUST SUGGESTED AND IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT RACHEL RAISED, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US AS A BODY RIGHT NOW IS A TASK IN THE WORKING GROUPS TO COME UP WITH OUR PRIORITY RECOMMENDATIONS TO PUT FORWARD TO THIS FULL BODY.

SO I FEEL LIKE WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US IS PRIMARILY INPUT ON ONE PROJECT OVER ANOTHER.

UM, I DO THINK WE NEED TO DO THE OTHER PIECE OF COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND, AND I GUESS INPUT AS WELL.

BUT MAYBE THAT COMES DOWN THE LINE IN THE SPRING WHEN WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW BIG IS THE PACKAGE? BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE MAYBE PRIORITY LIST AND IT'S LIKE, WELL HOW MANY FROM THIS PRIORITY LIST CAN WE INCLUDE? AND THAT'S THE, LIKE HOW BIG IS THE PIE RIGHT NOW? IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES? WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES? OKAY, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I CAPTURE WHAT HAYDEN SAID IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE TRE AND A BOND ARE DIFFERENT AND THIS BOND IS MORE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE TRE THAT YOU JUST VOTED FOR WAS MORE ABOUT, WAS GOING TO BE FOR GENERAL OPERATING EXPENSES.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? YEAH, YOU COULD DO THAT IN THE TAX COMPONENTS SLIDE IF YOU JUST BREAK OUT THE TWO COMPONENTS OF THE TAX.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THINGS.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS WHILE YOU GAIN PRIORITIES, HOW DO YOU, I'M GOING BACK TO YOUR SLIDE.

UM, I GUESS THE ONE 15 MM-HMM .

LIKE I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE LIMITATION LIKE, 'CAUSE IT, IT COULD BE A BLANK CHECK, RIGHT? IF I CAN PRIORITIZE EVERYTHING OR A LITTLE BIT OF THINGS.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE HERE IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS.

IF IT'S NOT ABOUT LIKE TAX CAPACITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

LIKE I, YEAH, NO, I'M NOT SAYING.

I'M NOT SAYING NO, I'M SAYING I JUST NEED WHAT DO YOU WANT? I JUST NEED THE, THE CONTENT.

LIKE I'M NOT, IF YOU, SO HOW DO YOU ARTICULATE A LIMITATION THAT IS, IN MY MIND I THOUGHT IT WAS, AND I HATE, I GUESS I'M WRONG, RIGHT? I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE WHAT WOULD HAVE NO TAX RATE IMPACT, RIGHT? CAPACITY.

BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE DRIVER IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE BUILDING SORT OF OUR UNDERSTANDING AROUND THE, THE SIX 50 LIMITATIONS, WHAT IS IT? LIKE WHAT,

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WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? I DO THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.

LIKE YOU'RE SAYING WHY SIX 50? 650? THE MAGIC MILLION, THE NUMBER.

I THINK IT'S 'CAUSE IT, I I'M WRONG.

I GUESS IT WASN'T TAX CAPACITY, BUT I DO THINK YOU NEED SOME, SOME A SLIDE JUST TO SHOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE IMPACT AND THERE'RE TWO DIFFERENT TAX RATE AND MAYBE THERE'S A STATEMENT.

AND SO IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 17 REALLY QUICK AND DEFINITELY I GUESS THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.

IF THIS IS NOT CORRECT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE ON IT? LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING A NUMBER.

RIGHT NOW IT'S SIX 50, BUT IT MIGHT GO UP, IT MIGHT GO DOWN BASED ON THESE THINGS.

I THINK THIS IS, THIS DOESN'T EXPLAIN EVERYTHING YOU'RE BRINGING UP.

I'M OVERSIMPLIFYING IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH TIME AND TRYING TO SAY LIKE, WE'RE GONNA BE THINKING ABOUT THE RATING AND WE'RE GONNA BE THINKING ABOUT THE CITY'S FINANCIAL, UH, CONSIDERATION.

WE'RE GONNA THINK ABOUT DEBT SERVICE AND WE'RE GONNA BE THINKING ABOUT MEASURING THE DEBT BURDEN ON THE COMMUNITY.

I UNDERSTAND WE COULD SAY MORE, BUT IF THIS IS INCORRECT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED? WELL, I WOULD MOVE THE TAX BURDEN UP A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES LIKE SURE.

I MEAN THIS IS HAYDEN, NOT TO MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT, AND, AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT WHAT I RECALL IS THAT THE BOND CAPACITY, THE $700 MILLION NUMBER IS ABOUT WHAT DEBT THE CITY CAN TAKE ON WITHOUT IMPACTING THEIR RATING CRITERIA.

IF I RATING CRITERIA DROPS SO THAT MONEY'S MORE EXPENSIVE.

IT'S LIKE IF YOU HAVE A BAD CREDIT RATING, YOU HAVE TO PAY A HIGHER INTEREST RATE, RIGHT? BASICALLY.

AND THAT, AND WHAT I RECALL CITY STAFF SAYING AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS WAS THAT ANY BOND WILL INCREASE OUR TAXES.

SO I, I DON'T THINK THE 700 MILLION NUMBER IS ABOUT NOT INCREASING TAXES.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH THAT.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE, THE RATING CRITERIA.

THERE'S TAXES.

WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT WILL INCREASE TAXES.

I I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND LIKE I SAID, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH.

, CAN I JUMP IN AND MAYBE I'LL GO A STEP FURTHER THAN HAYDEN EVEN ON THIS.

I, I DO THINK THAT ONE OF THE GOOD OUTCOMES FROM THIS LISTENING SESSION IS THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND LIKE, YES, IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS BOND PACKAGE, YOUR TAXES WILL MOST LIKELY GO UP A LITTLE BIT.

ALSO WITHIN REASON, THERE ARE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE BORROWING WITHIN OUR MEANS ESSENTIALLY.

AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING THAN WHAT WE JUST VOTED ON.

IT CANNOT, THIS MONEY CANNOT BE SPENT ON THE SAME THINGS THAT THAT MONEY CAN BE SPENT ON AND VICE VERSA.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEPARATE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

ALL OF THAT TO ME, RANK THIS PROJECT VERSUS THAT PROJECT HAS NEARLY NO VALUE.

UM, I DO THINK THAT LIKE HAVING, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS AND REITERATE THE VALUES THAT WE SHARE AND I WAS, I WAS REALLY TOUCHED BY THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION TODAY AND LIKE KIND OF THE, THE FOUNDING OR THE, THE ORIGINAL VISION OF THIS BOND PACKAGE AND TO KIND OF GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

I WILL SAY LIKE THIS TRE IS ONE OF THE FIRST THAT MIGHT NOT PASS.

AND THIS BOND COULD SIMILARLY BE IN A POSITION OF, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY KIND OF NEED TO MAKE A COMPELLING CASE TO THE VOTERS.

AND, AND I SAY WE, I MEAN I THINK THAT INCLUDES US AS THE BOND TASK FORCE.

AND I, I HOPE FOR ME AT LEAST, I HOPE THAT THESE LISTENING SESSIONS SERVE THAT PURPOSE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THE PROJECT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T GET FUNDED, IT'S STILL WORTH IT FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

UM, AND, AND TO KIND OF MAKE THAT CASE IN THESE LISTENING SESSIONS.

UM, IT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS.

BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY INFORMATIVE, BUT I WILL SAY FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN OF THESE SLIDES, FRANCIS, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THAT, THAT MONEY OF LIKE, WE NEED TO EDUCATE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WE NEED TO HEAR IF THERE ARE ANY LIKE SERIOUS COMPLAINTS THAT MEAN PEOPLE WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS BOND.

I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LISTENING FOR.

NOT YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PARK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD PER SE.

THAT WAS HELPFUL.

I LIKE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE USED.

I'M GONNA AGREE WITH NICOLE AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT EXPLAINS THE COMPONENT OF OUR, OUR OUR TAX BILL.

THAT'S HOW I APPROACH IT.

IF I WANT TO HAVE A NEW PARK OR IF I WANT TO HAVE A, UH, DRAINAGE THING THAT PROTECTS MY HOUSE FROM FLOODING, THAT'S A CAPITAL OUTLAY, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THIS BOND, WHICH IS, I CAN THINK OF IT LIKE A LOAN FOR 20 YEARS.

I KNOW THAT MY WHOLE TAX BILL LAST YEAR, THE CITY WAS ABOUT A QUARTER OF IT.

AND THAT ONE QUARTER SPLITS UP, PART OF IT WAS FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT BUYS THE BOOKS AND RUNS.

THIS HELPS PAY THE STAFF AT THE LIBRARY.

THE, THE INTEREST IN THINKING IS THE CITY TOOK OUT DEBT TO BUILD THE LIBRARY AND IT PAYS BACK THAT DEBT.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF AND THE PROGRAMMING AND THE BOOKS IN THE LIBRARY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING AND PAYING BACK THE DEBT THAT BUILT, THAT WAS THE LOAN THAT BUILT THAT LIBRARY.

AND

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UH, SOME, YOU KNOW, EVERY SIX YEARS, SIX TO EIGHT YEARS THEY ISSUE THAT.

SOME OF IT DROPS OFF.

AND YOU KNOW, HOW HOW BIG AND HOW LITTLE WE GO ON HOW MUCH WE TAKE OUT IN DEBT OR ISSUE IN DEBT TO BUILD THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS WILL MAKE THAT PORTION THAT INTEREST IN SINKING PORTION GROW OR SHRINK AS THINGS DROP OFF.

SO THAT'S MY COUNTERBALANCE AGAINST MY BIG WISHLIST OF THINGS THAT I'D LOVE TO HAVE IN MY COMMUNITY AND MY NEEDS OUTSTRIP MY BONDING CAPACITY.

AND WE'VE ASSEMBLED THIS TASK FORCE TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.

CAN YOU REMIND US HOW LONG IS THE LISTENING SESSION? EACH LISTENING SESSION? UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TWO HOURS AND WE REALLY STREAMLINED IT SO THAT WE CAN REALLY LISTEN.

SO I STILL, I THINK I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU, I JUST LIKE WHAT YOU SAID IN THE SPEAKER ABOVE.

UM, I THINK WE CAN MAKE A SLIDE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE TRE AND THE BOND AND ALSO TALKING ABOUT OUR TAXES.

'CAUSE I REALLY LIKE THE IMAGERY OF SAYING LIKE, WE ARE GONNA BE, YOUR TAXES ARE GONNA GO UP, BUT IT'S 'CAUSE YOU'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT AND IT'S GONNA BE REASONABLE.

I THINK YOU USE THE LANGUAGE.

WE'RE ONLY ADDING A REASONABLE AMOUNT.

I MEAN WE CAN, THAT'S SUBJECTIVE, BUT I'LL WORK WITH THE LANG.

I'LL WORK WITH THE LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK I HEAR THAT WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER SLIDE.

BUT I THINK MY QUESTION IS DO WE WANNA KEEP THIS SLIDE TOO? LIKE THIS SLIDE IS SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER SLIDE, CORRECT? YEAH.

AND THEN I SEE OTHER HANDS, BUT, UM, SO TWO HOURS BUT MOSTLY FOCUSED ON LISTENING AND THEN HONESTLY, PART OF ME THINKS THAT, UM, THE FINANCIAL PIECE ALMOST, Y'ALL MAY HATE THIS IDEA, IT ALMOST NEEDS TO BE LIKE A HANDOUT SEPARATE FROM THE SLIDE DECK.

BECAUSE HERE, HERE'S WHERE I'M WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH NICOLE AND OTHERS WHO'VE MENTIONED.

I MEAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO SHOW UP FOR A LOOSENING SESSION, THEY WILL HAVE THE, THE TRE ON THEIR MIND AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE DISTINCTIONS.

RIGHT? IT ACCURATE.

UM, SO BETWEEN, WE JUST NEED TO BE PREPARED TO LIKE EITHER QUELL AND ANSWER.

SO SLIDES, UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND LUCERO, WHO'S OUT IN THE AUDIENCE SLIDES NINE.

I CAN'T NINE THROUGH.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS WERE, WE'RE DOING A HANDOUT.

UM, WE WEREN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE ORIGINALLY GONNA INCLUDE THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS AS THE HANDOUT, BUT WE CAN, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE DECIDED, BUT THE MIDDLE PART WHERE WE'RE EDUCATING FOLKS, WE WERE GOING TO MAKE A HANDOUT.

THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE FINALIZED BETWEEN BY END OF DAY TOMORROW SO THAT IT CAN BE TRANSLATED.

SO WE ARE PLANNING ON, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE SLIDES PRINTED OUT, BUT WE ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE A HANDOUT FOR THAT SECTION THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY EDUCATING FOLKS.

LIKE A ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A LIKE ACTUAL ON A SHEET OF PAPER.

MORE NARRATIVE.

AND LESS OF A SLIDES.

CAN BE IN A HANDOUT WHERE WE EXPLAIN THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS, BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE COST OF DOING THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING BECAUSE THE COST IS WHAT DETERMINES HOW MANY OF THESE PROJECTS WE CAN DO.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE FOR ME, I'D BE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VISUALS THAT WE PRESENT TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS MAY BE MORE STREAMLINED, BUT WE'LL HAVE A HANDOUT WITH MORE NARRATIVE DETAIL.

I MEAN THAT THANK YOU FOR YEAH.

LETTING US OR REMINDING US.

I DO WANNA KEEP US MOVING.

UM, THERE, THERE'S ONE THING, AND I'VE BEEN A LITTLE PATIENT, I'M TRYING TO GET THIS ONE QUESTION IN HERE.

AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT, WE DO HAVE THE OPTION WHEN THEY'RE PROPOSING THE PROJECT, IF THAT'S STILL THE GOAL, IS TO HEAR WHAT PROJECTS THEY WANT TO, THAT THEY, THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT.

IF THAT'S NO LONGER THE GOAL, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT, YOU COULD ASK THE QUESTION WHEN THEY PROPOSE THAT, WOULD THEY APPROVE IT TO TAX INCREASE TO IMPLEMENT THE PROJECT? AND I, I, A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN OUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBER ONLINE WHERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU DO A GIS SPATIAL ANALYSIS, THE CLOSER THE COMMUNITY IS TO THE PROJECT, THE HIGHER THE VOTE IS.

IT'S NOT FOR CROSS ABOUT.

THERE'S FOLKS LIKE ME WHO, WHO REALLY SUPPORT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND LIKE Y'ALL.

UM, BUT YOU DO SEE THAT IN THE NUMBERS WHEN IT'S CLOSER TO WHETHER IT'S THE SCHOOL THAT'S BEING RENOVATED AND BUILT OR IF IT'S THE PARK OR IF IT'S THE TRAIL SYSTEM VOTER TURNOUT.

I MEAN THE VOTER APPROVAL GOES UP.

SO IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING UH, COMPONENT TO SEE, WE ASKED THAT QUESTION ON THE SURVEY.

WE DIDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION IN THIS HANDOUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO DERAIL THE PART ABOUT THE PROJECTS.

AND SO I DO WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO THOSE SLIDES TO SEE HOW WE FEEL.

I'LL GO, CHARLES, DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE? MY TURN? .

WE GOT A PIECE OF INFORMATION EARLY ON THAT I, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE TRE, AND THAT IS FOR EVERY A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR BOND, IT IS THIS MUCH IN A TAX RATE.

I THINK THAT ONE BULLET IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IT

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AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MORE OF THESE PROJECTS THAT THEY DO, THE MORE BONDS WILL BE SOLD AND THE MORE TAX RATE WILL GO UP.

SO IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION.

WHAT'S THE WE HAVE THAT.

WE'LL FIND IT.

JUST NEED SOMEONE TO SEND IT TO ME.

TODAY.

I MEAN, JUST, UM, IN THE LAST BOND WHEN WE DID OUTREACH, WE, I MEAN, THIS WAS A VERY DIFFERENT THING WE DID, BUT WE BASICALLY GAVE EVERYBODY PHYSICALLY, UM, DOLLAR BILLS.

WE GAVE THEM LIKE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND WE TOLD THEM HOW MUCH THEIR BOND RATE WAS GONNA GO UP VERSUS HOW MUCH THEY SPENT.

AND THEY WENT AROUND AND PUT THE MONEY IN BOXES.

AND THEN IF THEY WANTED TO RETURN MONEY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANNA SPEND IT ALL, THEY DID THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAD MORE CLEAR NUMBERS THEN.

I DO RECALL THAT WE WERE DOING THAT IN ABOUT JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF THE YEAR THAT WE ENDED UP GOING FORWARD.

SO IT WAS NOT AT THIS, THIS FAR IN ADVANCE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT HELPED US PUT TOGETHER FOR OUR, IT WAS IN THE SURVEY OPEN HOUSES.

AND IT WAS IN THE, IT WAS IN THE FIRST SURVEY.

AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE A COMPONENT IN THE OUTREACH THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE SPRING.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS NOT, WE HAVE MORE OUTREACH THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE.

I, I BUT EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK ON DOLLAR IMPACT.

I MEAN, I THINK BOTH CHARLES AND RICH ARE RIGHT.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT? RIGHT.

BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING SORT OF WRITING A BLANK CHECK AND, AND THEN EVERYBODY HAS TO SORT OF FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT I DO THINK YOU SHOULD GET FEEDBACK ON TAX AND THE FINANCIAL IMPACT EVERY SINGLE TIME OR TALK TO .

SO IF I CAN GET THAT LINE, MARY'S GONNA GET IT TO ME, THEN I'LL ADD IT TO THE SLIDE AND I'LL ADD ANOTHER SLIDE TO MENTION THE TRE AND THE, ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, I SHOULD JUST CUT THIS SLIDE.

NO, I'M KIDDING.

UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS SLIDE FAIRLY QUICKLY.

IT'S JUST THE PROCESS.

UM, JUST KIND OF WANNA GIVE THEM AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT A HIGH LEVEL.

THERE'S MORE THINGS THAT COULD BE IN HERE, BUT WE REALLY JUST WANNA KIND OF FOCUS ON THE MAIN PIECES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK, SHARE IT WITH NOW OR SEND ME AN EMAIL.

MY FEEDBACK IS THAT WE'VE BEEN ADDING THINGS, AND THIS IS A LONG PRESENTATION, I THINK.

DO YOU WANNA I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THIS SLIDE.

I THINK WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, 2026.

MAYBE WE CAN JUST PRINT THIS OUT.

HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT'S A GOOD, YEAH.

LET'S, WE'LL JUST PRINT THIS OUT.

THEN WE GO TO THE CALL OF ACTION, WHAT WE NEED FROM THEM.

UM, AND YOU CAN KIND OF GO, NEXT SLIDE.

UM, WE'LL KEEP MOVING.

AND SO THEN I BRING THIS SLIDE BACK UP, JUST TRYING TO SHOW THEM WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE, THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS.

SAME COMMENT ON THAT LAST ONE.

YOU DON'T THINK WE YEAH, WE CAN DELETE IT.

UM, I THINK WE JUST TRYING TO SHOW THEM WHERE THEY ARE.

IT'S FINE.

SO WHAT IS THE GREATEST NEED AUSTIN HAS TODAY? AND THIS IDEA IS THAT WE WANNA ASK THEM THEIR GREATEST NEED, LIKE ONE GREATEST NEED, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DIG DEEPER.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.

AND UM, THERE IS A LIST WITH THIS ONE.

SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE PULLED THIS UP SO YOU ALL CAN.

SO WE ACTUALLY ARE, THIS QUESTION IS THE QUESTION THAT WAS IN THE, UM, SURVEY.

AND SO THE LISTS ARE THAT LIST THAT WAS IN THE SURVEY.

WE WANTED TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

SO MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHILE I PULL THAT UP.

AND THEN WE WANT PEOPLE TO LIST THEIR COMMUNITY PRIORITIES.

AND SO THIS WILL BE SLIDO, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO TYPE IT IN AND PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO START SEEING THE RESPONSES AND THEN PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, SEND THEM TO US AS WELL.

THIS NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK.

CAN I GO AHEAD.

IS THIS A, A LIST? THEY'RE GONNA BE, NO, THE CANU, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST FREEFORM, WHATEVER THAT THIS IS FREEFORM.

GOT IT.

THE SLIDE BEFORE HAS A LIST THAT I'M PULLING UP.

THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS WHAT, WHICH WAS ON THE SURVEY.

UM, WHAT IS THE GREATEST NEED? RIGHT? SO IT'S HOUSING, HOMELESS HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS.

TRANSPORTATION, PARKS AND PARKLAND, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, FLOOD PROTECTION, WATER QUALITY AND PROTECTED LANDS, CLIMATE AND SUSTAINABILITY, COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND OTHER.

AND THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO ASK THIS ONE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION FROM THE SURVEY TO KIND OF SEE WHAT'S CHANGED.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE THOUGH, ALLOWED THEM TO DIG DEEPER.

AND IT'S OPEN FORM.

WE CAN KEEP GOING DOWN NOW.

SORRY.

AND THEN, SO WE ASKED THAT UP FRONT BEFORE WE SHOW THE PROJECT LIST.

RIGHT? AND SO THEN WE'RE GONNA SHOW, UM, THE PROJECT.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

I DID THIS.

UM, I'M HAPPY IF THERE'S ANY SUGGESTIONS.

I JUST THOUGHT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT HOW MANY CITY DEPARTMENTS AND THE NUMBER OF PROJECT LISTS.

UM, I THINK WE CAN EDIT

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SO I CAN SAY 66 PROJECTS FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, I'LL ADD IN, I GUESS WE WANNA ADD IN THE RECOMMENDED THE, I CAN LIST THE, ADD THE PROJECTS FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA, WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT WE'RE GONNA SHARE THAT RIGHT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK LIKE THE, UH, CLIMATE ACTION LIST.

YES, BUT I HAVEN'T, NO ONE SENT THAT.

DID YOU SEND THAT TO ME? I, I JUST DON'T, I THINK WITHOUT, I, I DON'T REALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING, DO YOU JUST WANNA SEND, DO YOU WANNA JUST HAVE THE WHOLE, WHOLE LIST? WOULD THE LIST FOR WHAT THEY'VE, UH, WHAT NOT THE WHOLE LIST OF THE LIST THAT THEY IDENTIFIED AS BOND ELIGIBLE.

PROJECTS.

SO WE WANNA PRINT OUT THE LIST FROM THE CLIMATE, JUST THE WHOLE LIST.

WAS THAT CALLED THE CLIMATE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE REFERRING THAT TO.

OR MAYBE IT WAS LIKE THE, IT WAS THE BOND ELIGIBLE PROJECTS FROM THE CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

IS THIS COMING FROM CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES OR IT'S COMING FROM CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE? WHO'S THAT? THE OFFICE OF CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE.

THAT FORMALLY THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY.

WELL I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING, OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA LIST THE, THE PROJECTS FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS, THE LIST OF PROJECTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN THE LIST OF PROJECTS FROM THE CLIMATE ACTUALLY.

'CAUSE I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF WE ADD THE LIST FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION, ARE THEY ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE IT INTO OUR CONSIDERATION? I MEAN, THAT JUST DEPENDS ON THE WORKING GROUPS, RIGHT? AND ISN'T THIS SUPPOSED TO BE SHOWING LIKE, THE BIG PICTURE OF ALL THE THINGS BEING DISCUSSED? RIGHT? IT'S NOT SAYING WHAT WE'RE PRIORITIZING.

THIS IS JUST HERE ARE ALL THE THINGS DATA POINTS.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

OH, JUST MAKING SURE.

ARE PEOPLE CONSIDERING THE CLIMATE ACT? I, I GUESS THAT WAS MORE OF MY QUESTION.

OUR WORKING GROUPS, CONSIDERING THAT LIST OF PROJECTS, WE'VE HAD IT PRESENTED IN TWO WORKING GROUPS.

SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S AS VALID AS ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT.

CHARLES, COULDN'T THIS BE MORE USEFUL AS A HANDOUT THAN, AS WE CAN SLIDES, WE CAN DO THAT.

I THINK WHAT WE WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ALL THE PROJECTS THEY WERE BEING SHOWN.

SO I DO KIND OF WANT, AND I WANNA SHOW THE COST PART.

'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS THE PART THAT WE'RE ADDING.

I WAS THE REASON WHY I HAD THIS SLIDE, WHICH WE MIGHT JUST GET RID OF IT, BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF PROJECTS WAS 10 BILLION.

LIKE THE REAL PART IS THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE THERE'S $10 BILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS AND THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.

SO LIKE, WE'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING ALL THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

WE'RE CONSIDERING 3.9 BILLION AND THEN ALLOWING THE SIX 50.

SO GENUINELY WE COULD ACTUALLY NOT, WE CAN DELETE THE LIST BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE IT AVAILABLE.

ALL THREE OF THOSE LISTS, THE COMMUNITY LISTS, DEPARTMENT LIST, AND THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY LIST.

SO THIS WILL BE HANDOUTS.

YEAH, WE COULD, THOSE WILL BE HANDOUTS.

I'LL JUST SHOW THE, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO SHOW THE RIGHT SIDE.

AND I CAN JUST PUT THAT ON THE SLIDE AND SAY YOUR, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EDIT.

YEAH, LET'S DO THAT.

'CAUSE WE NEED TO SHOW THEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 BILLION BUT ONLY HAVE 650 MILLION ISH CURRENTLY.

I'M GONNA JUST PUT CURRENTLY SUBJECT CHANGE.

FULLY AGREE ON ESTIMATED, FULLY AGREE ON THAT.

ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE THAT AS EVERYONE KNOWS OUR NEEDS OUTSTRIP OUR CAPACITY TO DO ALL THE THINGS.

AND, AND SO THEN THOSE THREE BULLET POINTS ARE I THINK VERY, VERY KEY.

I THINK THAT 10 BILLION DOES INCLUDE THE OFFICE AS CLIENT SAY SUSTAINABILITY.

I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THAT BIG $10 BILLION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

YEAH, YEAH.

IT'S NOT, IS IT MORE THAN 10 BILLION? I DON'T KNOW IF IT INCLUDES ALL THIS OR NOT.

IT JUST PUT A PLUS AFTER THE 10.

SOME OF THESE, SOME, I DON'T THINK EVERYONE, WE DON'T HAVE SPEC SPECIFICITY IN EVERY PART WHERE WE'RE VOTING.

DEFINITELY PUT SOME .

THERE'S, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST, OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

AND SO THEN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO THEN, AS OPPOSED TO LISTING ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE I HAD WENT AHEAD AND PUT THE NUMBERS, UM, AND I'LL CHANGE THIS TO PROJECTS FROM STAFF.

I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE RECOMMENDED PROJECTS FROM STAFF.

UM, AND THEN MAYBE THIS IS WHERE WE CAN ADD THE OTHER PROJECTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.

WE CAN LIST THE NUMBER OF THE COMMUNITY PROJECTS AND THEY CAN LIST THE OFFICE SUSTAINABILITY.

ALRIGHT, LET'S KEEP GOING THEN.

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK.

AND SO ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE USEFUL.

UM, ONE THING THAT WE WANTED TO ASK WAS, WOULD YOU PREFER NEXT SLIDE? I'VE, I'VE EDITED THIS.

IT SAYS, WOULD YOU PREFER TO VOTE FOR A BOND FOR PARTICULAR PROJECTS LIKE PARK A, B, C, OR FOR UNSPECIFIED PROJECTS IN A CATEGORY OR NO PREFERENCE, I NEED TO, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THAT INFORMATION? YEAH, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT SOME OF THE WORKING GROUPS, AND THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

I MEAN, SOME,

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AND SO ARE SOME PEOPLE, DO WE WANNA KNOW, ARE PEOPLE OKAY WITH US VOTING FOR A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY FOR A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT OR AREA? SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT CARE WHERE THERE'S NOT A PROJECT SPECIFIC.

I THINK THAT COMES WITH A LOT OF, UH, EDUCATION AROUND THAT QUESTION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

OF WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF HAVING A NAMED PROJECT OR AN UNSPECIFIC LIST OF LIKE, USES OF THOSE FUNDS? AGREED.

AND I AGREE.

I THINK THE ONLY REASON I KEPT, I ONLY THING THAT'S VALID ABOUT IT IS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE AS A GROUP.

AND IF WE WANTED PUBLIC INPUT, WE SHOULD ASK IT.

I GET THAT.

IT MIGHT NOT BE, UM, WE MIGHT NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE EXPLAINING IT.

I JUST FEEL LIKE, I THINK DOWN THE ROAD, THIS GROUP IS GONNA HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS.

AND SO IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ASK THE PUBLIC, THAT'S FINE.

I THINK THAT WAS WHY I GOT THIS SUGGESTION.

BUT WAIT, SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE ON THE BALLOT, WOULD THEY LIKE TO SEE ALL THE LISTED PROJECTS? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

UM, WE'RE SAYING SOME AR SOME AREAS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SPECIFIED PARTICULAR PROJECT.

IT'S LIKE A, A POT OF MONEY TO SUPPORT A PROGRAM, RIGHT? SO INSTEAD OF SAYING REC CENTERS IN A BUCKET, WE'RE ASKING THE VOTERS IN THIS SURVEY, DO YOU WANNA SEE REC CENTERS AS A BUCKET OR DO YOU WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, THE ACME BRICK SPECIFICALLY NAMED REC CENTER? MM-HMM .

THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT, BUT THERE'RE THE PROJECT LIST, RIGHT? YEAH.

BUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS AREN'T SPECIFIED.

BE GEARED SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS THE CITY STAFF RECOMMENDED LIST.

BUT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE, I THINK THE SIDE I BUT THE WAY ARE HARD.

EVERYBODY, IT KIND OF IMPLIES THAT THAT'S LIKE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE VOTING FOR.

I, I THINK IT'S A, THIS IS A STRANGE WAY TO WORD IT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN I'M GONNA VOTE, SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AM I GONNA VOTE FOR PROJECTS? VOTE PART.

BUT IF WE COULD CHANGE THAT PART, I THINK IT'S THE ESSENCE OF THE QUESTION.

WE CAN DELETE THE VOTE PART, BUT I THINK IT'S THE IDEA OF DO WE WANNA ASK THEM A QUESTION THAT BASICALLY GETS THE POINT ABOUT SPECIFICITY OR GROUP OR NOT? I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION.

WE CAN EDIT THE WORDS.

GO AHEAD, DONALD.

I I, I THINK AT LEAST AT THIS POINT FOR THIS SESSION, I MIGHT, I MIGHT ENCOURAGE CUTTING THIS QUESTION BECAUSE OKAY.

I MEAN, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, LIKE IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU TELL THEM LIKE, WE'RE GONNA DO IT FOR THESE PROJECTS.

IF IT'S IN THE BOND LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T, AS A BUCKET, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE NAMED PROJECTS.

IT IS FLEXIBLE.

UM, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

SO, SO I DON'T, UNTIL WE KIND OF GET SOLIDIFIED ON ALL THAT, I THINK IT MIGHT BE MISLEADING AT THIS POINT.

IT'S, START AGAIN.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

SO THE BOND LANGUAGE JUST SAYS THIS IS A X MILLION DOLLAR FOR, UH, PARK LAND IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

UM, BUT DOESN'T NAME THE PARKS.

EVEN IF WE'RE, EVEN IF WE LIKE SAY WE WANT IT TO GO FOR THIS OR SOMETHING.

IT, THE, THE BOND IS STILL KIND OF OPEN AND FLEXIBLE IF IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IN THE LANGUAGE THAT'S APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, RIGHT? YEAH.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN, LIKE, WE CAN'T GET THIS SPECIFIED.

LIKE THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA BE LIKE, DO DO YOU WANT THIS EXACT YOU CAN FOR EXACT SOME CATEGORIES.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF THAT'S GOING TO, IF THAT, THAT SEEMS TO NOT BE THE WAY.

I DON'T WANNA MISLEAD PEOPLE IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD, RIGHT? LIKE IF FOR PARKS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE BEEN HEARING THAT THERE'S SOME SPECIFIED PROJECTS THAT ARE HIGH PRIORITY, BUT THEY'D RATHER HAVE IT AS A GENERAL LISTING.

SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LIKE MISUNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TELLING THEM OR WHAT WE'RE THEY'RE GETTING.

MAYBE WE JUST TAKE THIS QUESTION OUT YEAH.

AND TRY TO APPROACH IT DIFFERENT DOWN THE ROAD.

ONLINE.

WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE.

ANNIE WALKER, UM, I AGREE ABOUT TAKING THE QUESTION OUT AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED BY COUNCIL OR PRIORITIES THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING THAT IT, IT, THIS QUESTION MAKES ME THINK THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S KIND OF RANDOM.

LIKE WHO IS THROWING MONEY AT THE CITY? WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT MONEY INTO PROGRAMS THAT FUND PRIORITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED BY COUNCIL.

SO I AGREE WITH STRIKING THE QUESTION.

OKAY, MOVING ON.

YEP.

AND THEN WE ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT PROJECTS ARE WE MISSING? AND THE LAST QUESTION IS, WHAT WOULD YOU CUT FROM THIS LIST? AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING ABOUT WHY I STILL, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANNA HAVE ALL THE PROJECTS, BUT THIS WAS KIND OF WRITTEN SO THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDED PROJECTS FROM THE STAFF LIST BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO CUT.

BUT I THINK WE'VE ADDED, SO I THINK I COULD CHANGE THIS QUESTION 'CAUSE I DO THINK WE WANT TO ASK THEM SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED LIST.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS THAT THIS, WE'VE ADDED MORE STUFF AS OPPOSED TO RE REDUCING STUFF.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THIS QUESTION, BUT I THINK THIS QUESTION WOULD

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CORRECT.

CAN WE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE THOSE BUCKETS THAT ARE ON THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION LIST LISTED AND ALLOW THE USER ON SLIDO TO RANK THEM GO TO 25? THEY WANT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LIST, RIGHT? KEEP GOING.

AND WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS CORRESPOND TO ON THE NUMBER OF LISTED PROJECTS ON THE, SO THE DEPARTMENT, ALL THE 66 THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM? YES.

BECAUSE I KIND OF WANNA GET A SENSE OF PRIORITY FROM SOME OF THE, THE FOLKS WHO, WHO ARE PARTICIPATING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IS EVERYBODY PUTTING, I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT A POLICE AS THEIR TOP PRIORITY.

'CAUSE THE FULL LIST ISN'T SHOWING.

LIKE WHERE, WHERE ARE THESE ON, ON THEIR PRIORITY? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE KIND OF A RANK LIST BY THE USER.

IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT WEIGHTING, UH, LIKE THE WEIGHT OF A PARTICULAR CATEGORY.

WELL, THE ONLY ISSUES THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED UNDER THEM, AND SO THEY WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO RATE RANK THE 66.

BUT I THINK THE THING IS, IS THAT WHAT'S NOT ON HERE THAT YOU ALL CANNOT SEE IS SLIDE 27 21.

WHAT IS THE GREATEST NEED AUSTIN HAS TODAY? IT'S BASICALLY THE LARGER CATEGORIES OF THIS, AND THAT WILL BE A RANKING.

BUT BACK TO MY AND FRANCIS, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

IS TRANSPORTATION ON THIS LIST AND IT'S JUST OFF THE BOTTOM SO WE'RE NOT SEEING IT? YES.

, THANK YOU.

YES, IT'S ON THERE I THINK.

BUT I WANNA, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT CAN WE CUT FROM THIS LIST? LIKE ORIGINALLY THE IDEA WAS US TRYING TO GET FEEDBACK BY THE TIME WE GET TO THIS QUESTION, THEY WOULD'VE HAD THAT LIST FOR THE WHOLE HOUR AND A HALF.

AND THE IDEA IS LIKE, ARE THERE THINGS THAT THEY DON'T WANT? AND WE WANTED TO CAPTURE THAT INFORMATION.

I GUESS MY QUESTION, IS THAT STILL WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO DO? I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE CHANGED THE PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT IN THIS MEETING.

DO WE FIND THAT THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THIS GROUP? RACHEL STONE? UM, I WOULD SUGGEST TAKING THE NUMBERS OFF OF THESE PROJECTS.

I THINK IT MAKES IT REALLY CONFUSING.

UM, BUT IN TERMS OF CUTTING, WHAT IS THE GOAL? LIKE IF WE'RE ASKING THEM WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE WANT TO FIND OUT? LIKE I, I WORRY THAT ASKING THEM TO CUT THINGS IS MORE JUST LIKE, UM, THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE FUNDING VERSUS LIKE, WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU.

SEEMS YEAH, I I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT THE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK.

I WANT, LIKE, I WORRY A, I WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MUNICIPAL, LIKE THE COURTS, LIKE, I DON'T THINK THE AVERAGE CITIZEN REALLY CARES ABOUT GETTING A NEW COURTHOUSE, BUT LIKE, WHEN YOU NEED TO GO TO COURT, THAT'S LIKE REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU CARE.

SO I, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD JUST BE FINDING OUT WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT AND BELIEVE IN INSTEAD OF LIKE ASKING THEM TO LET US KNOW ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY PROBABLY DON'T USE VERY MUCH, BUT OTHER PEOPLE REALLY NEED .

WE, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE ON IN THE AGENDA.

UM, IS IT SOMETHING YOU CAN SEND HER DIRECTLY VIA EMAIL OR DOES IT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED ON THAT OTHER SIDE? IT SAYS WHAT PROJECTS ARE WE MISSING? COULD WE JUST INSERT THE WORD TYPES? 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA CUT IT.

WE'RE CUTTING THAT ONE, I THINK.

NO, WE'RE NOT CUTTING THAT ONE.

WE'RE NOT CUTTING THE PROJECTS WE WERE MISSING.

I THINK WE SHOULD CUT IT.

I THOUGHT WE, I THOUGHT I HEARD CUTTING, BUT NO, WE WERE GONNA CUT.

WELL, WE'RE GONNA CUT ALL THE QUESTIONS THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY QUESTIONS LEFT? NO.

WE NEED THE, WHAT ARE WE MISSING? WE HAVE 10 BILLION WORTH OF PRODUCT.

I MEAN, ARE YOU ACTUALLY ASKING TO ADD MORE TO THE 10 BILLION? OH, I'M, I'M SORRY.

THROUGH THE 10 BILLION.

I WAS THINK THE OTHER QUESTION, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO PUT TYPES, BECAUSE SOMEONE WILL SAY, WHAT'S MISSING IS THE, THE LIBRARY NEXT TO ME WHEN, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PARK NEXT TO ME VERSUS, OH, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PARKS IN THERE.

BUT ISN'T THAT LEGITIMATE? IF THERE'S AN AREA OF TOWN THAT DOESN'T HAVE FACILITIES, LIKE WE SHOULD KNOW THAT.

I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF, I THINK WE DO NEED TO MOVE ON.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT WHERE WE ARE REALLY, REALLY GONNA DIG DOWN AND REALLY PRIORITIZE THIS.

THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THESE LISTING SESSIONS WAS TO STILL GET MORE INFORMATION.

SOME PEOPLE CAN'T COME TO THE WORKING GROUPS, PEOPLE HAVE NOT COME TO THIS.

SO YEAH, WE'RE STILL LISTENING TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE FEEL LIKE IS MISSING AND TO REALLY GET MORE INFORMATION.

AND WE'RE SPECIFICALLY DOING THIS IN THE SOUTHEAST AUSTIN AND NORTHEAST AUSTIN WHERE WE GOT, DID NOT GET SUBSTANTIAL INPUT FROM.

SO YES, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY ASKED.

IT'S OUR JOB TO PRIORITIZE AND WHITTLE IT DOWN.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET INPUT FROM PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE HAVE NOT GOT INPUT.

FAIR.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY, I, I DO FEEL LIKE I GOT A LOT OF EDITS, SO I MEAN, I'LL STILL HAVE NICOLE, EVEN THOUGH I'M GONNA HAVE TO SEND THIS OVER TO LUCERO.

WHEN I GET DONE WITH THIS, I'LL HAVE NICOLE SEND THIS BACK OUT.

AND SO IF YOU STILL FEEL LIKE, THEN SEND ME ANY

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FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU FRANCIS FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT AND EVERYONE ELSE ON THAT.

THANK YOU WORKING GROUP.

THANKS FOR ALL THE INPUT.

[5. Discussion and possible action to recommend Austin Climate & Resilience’s plan to deliver to a climate Impact analysis for all proposed named projects.]

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND AUSTIN CLIMATE AND RESILIENCES PLAN TO DELIVER TO A, TO DELIVER TO THE B-T-I-F-A CLIMATE IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR ALL PROPOSED NAMED PROJECTS.

WELCOME GO.

UH, I'M ZACH BAUMER, UH, DIRECTOR OF AUSTIN CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE.

AND I'M PHILIP PHIL DURAN, UH, SENIOR CLIMATE ANALYST FOR OFFICE OF, UH, CLIMATE ACTION RESILIENCE.

AND I'M BRANDON LATHAM JONES, THE CLIMATE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THAT OFFICE.

SEE THEM, UNDERSTAND THEM, UM, THAT ALL OF OUR, UH, DECISIONS HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE WORLD IS IMPORTANT.

UH, SO WE PUT TOGETHER SOME SLIDES, UH, TO TALK ABOUT CARBON QUANTIFICATION OF PROPOSED BOND PROJECTS.

UM, WE'D BEEN GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

UM, SO WE PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND STARTED THINKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT COULD WE DO AND HOW COULD WE DO THIS IN A WAY THAT IS USEFUL TO YOU ALL, UH, TO SUPPORT SOME GOOD DECISION MAKING, UH, ABOUT PROJECTS AND THEIR CLIMATE IMPACT.

UH, SO FIRST I'M JUST GONNA COVER WHAT WAS THE REQUEST AND WHAT WERE WE HEARING? THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CARBON FOOTPRINTS AND WHAT ARE THEY? UH, THEN PHIL'S GONNA TAKE OVER AND TALK ABOUT OUR PLAN AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO, UH, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO NEXT STEPS.

UH, SO THE REQUEST, SO WHAT DID WE HEAR? SO AT OUR AUGUST MEETING, UH, WHERE, UH, BRADEN AND I CAME AND PRESENTED ABOUT, UH, CLIMATE CRITERIA, UH, WE WERE HEARING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE, I WAS ACTUALLY, I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD FROM, UH, A FEW DIFFERENT TASK FORCE MEMBERS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CARBON QUANTIFICATION.

UM, SO WHAT I HEARD WAS, UH, THE FOLKS WERE INTERESTED IN QUANTIFICATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE CARBON IMPACT OF ANY GIVEN, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT IN THAT COULD END UP IN THIS BOND.

UH, FOLKS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN COMPARING THE EMISSIONS OF PROJECTS, SO THIS PER PROJECT VERSUS THAT PROJECT, UM, THEY WERE INTERESTED IN MINIMIZING THE CARBON IMPACTS OF PROJECTS, RIGHT? SO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT IS AND THEN WHAT COULD BE DONE TO MAKE IT LOWER.

UH, AND THEN FINALLY, I HEARD THAT FOLKS WERE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF THE BOND PACKAGE AS A WHOLE, RIGHT? WE HAVE IN THE, UH, PROJECT LIST THAT'S BEEN DELIVERED TO CITY COUNCIL SO FAR, THERE'S 66 PROJECTS.

AND SO I'VE HEARD THE IDEA OF A CARBON NEUTRAL BOND OF AGGREGATION OF PROJECTS TOGETHER AND PROJECTS THAT HAVE EMISSIONS TO THE ATMOSPHERE, AND THEN POTENTIALLY PROJECTS THAT, UH, CREATE EMISSION REDUCTIONS AND TRYING TO ALIGN THOSE PROJECTS AND FIGURE OUT HOW THEY ALL STAND UP AND FIT TOGETHER AS A PACKAGE.

SO I HEARD THAT WE HEARD THESE QUESTIONS, UH, AND STARTED DOING SOME THINKING ABOUT HOW COULD WE ANSWER THEM? HOW COULD WE DO THIS IN A TIMELY FASHION? HOW COULD WE MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S USEFUL? SO, CARBON FOOTPRINTS.

SO GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORIES, CARBON FOOTPRINTS.

THERE IS A WHOLE SCIENCE THAT HAS EVOLVED IN THIS SPACE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

UM, WHEN YOU'RE DOING A CARBON FOOTPRINT, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS WHY YOU COULD DO THIS, THIS SORT OF CALCULATION AND THIS ANALYSIS.

UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS JUST TO CREATE AWARENESS OF EMISSIONS AND THEIR SOURCES, RIGHT? YOU DO AN INVENTORY OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN SOMETHING, YOU CALCULATE EMISSIONS, AND THEN YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT'S WHAT AND WHAT'S INCLUDED.

THE NEXT STEP IS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND LARGEST AND SMALLEST IMPACTS, RIGHT? SO YOU DO A, UH, A CARBON INPUT FOR, YOU DO A CARBON FOOTPRINT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUILDING EMISSIONS AND TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS AND WHICH ONE'S LARGER AND WHICH ONE'S SMALLER.

UM, ANOTHER, UH, WAY YOU COULD DO THIS IS YOU CAN COMPARE ALTERNATIVES, ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS AND OPTIONS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE ONE PROJECT, YOU COULD COMPARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU COULD DO A PROJECT AND YOU COULD GET, UH, DIFFERENCES IN, UM, IN THE CARBON EMISSIONS THAT WOULD HAPPEN BASED ON THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE IN THE DESIGN.

UH, THE NEXT ONE IS YOU COULD CREATE STRATEGIES TO REDUCE EMISSIONS, RIGHT? ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SOURCES ARE, THEN YOU COULD LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO REDUCE THOSE EMISSIONS.

UH, THE NEXT ONES IS, NEXT ONE IS REPORT EMISSIONS FOR TRANSPARENCY.

UH, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN THE WORLD ABOUT CLIMATE IMPACT, UM, AND REPORTING THESE EMISSIONS JUST SO FOLKS

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UM, AND THEN NEXT AND FINALLY, UH, MONITOR RESULTS AND CHANGES OVER TIME.

UM, OUR TEAM HAS BEEN COMPLETING CARBON FOOTPRINTS FOR CITY OPERATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 15 YEARS NOW.

AND OVER TIME YOU CAN SEE CHANGES IN THOSE EMISSIONS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU LOTS OF THINGS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WORLD.

UM, SO THE KEY WITH THIS IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO CALCULATE CARBON FOOTPRINTS.

UH, YOU CAN USE MEASURED DATA, YOU CAN USE ESTIMATES OF DATA, YOU CAN USE DATABASES AND SOFTWARE.

BUT DEFINING A CLEAR PURS PURPOSE AND SCOPE UPFRONT, UH, IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO CREATE SOMETHING, UH, THAT'S USEFUL AND TO DO IT IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER BECAUSE YOU CAN GO DOWN LOTS OF WILD GOOSE CHASES AND LOTS OF, UH, RABBIT HOLES WHEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO THIS KIND OF WORK IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T WATCH IT.

SO IN PUTTING TOGETHER THESE QUESTIONS, UM, HEARING THESE QUESTIONS AND THINKING ABOUT OUR OPTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE SOMETHING USEFUL, UM, PHIL BRADEN AND I PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND STARTED THINKING ABOUT WHAT COULD WE DO THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO THIS GROUP.

UH, SO WHAT WE DECIDED IS THAT WE ARE GONNA DO AN INITIAL ANALYSIS ON THE 66 PROJECTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT JULY 31ST MAYOR, UH, MEMO TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE LIST THAT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON.

UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A SCREENING LEVEL ANALYSIS BASED ON SIMPLE SOUND ASSUMPTIONS.

UH, SO WE'RE GONNA USE THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED ON EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, UM, USE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR OWN ANALYSIS, FROM RESEARCH, UH, AND BASICALLY ESTIMATE EMISSIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE CLIMATE IMPACT, UH, ESTIMATED GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, UH, FOR EACH ONE OF THE PROJECTS, CATEGORIES OF PROJECTS, AND AS A WHOLE.

SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO STACK UP AND COMPARE AND CONTRAST GROUPS OF PROJECTS.

UM, SO NEXT, PHIL IS GONNA TALK THROUGH MORE DETAILS AND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

YEAH, THANKS ZACH.

UM, RIGHT, SO AS ZACH MENTIONED, THIS IS THE KIND OF WORK THAT I AND MY TEAM AND WE'VE BEEN DOING, UH, AT THE OFFICE OF CLIMATE ACTION RESILIENCE FOR A LONG TIME NOW.

AND SO WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING BODY OF WORK.

UH, WE SORT OF STAY UP TO DATE ON KIND OF THE LATEST BEST PRACTICES, AND WE PROPOSE TO APPLY A LOT OF THAT TO THIS, UH, THE BOND PACKAGE AND THIS ANALYSIS.

UM, ZACH ALSO MENTIONED THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF APPROACHES AND LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE COULD TAKE, UH, TO THIS KIND OF WORK.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS A HIGH LEVEL LIFECYCLE CARBON ANALYSIS, UH, FOR THE 66 BOND PROJECTS.

SO A LIFECYCLE ANALYSIS, UH, ATTEMPTS TO QUANTIFY EMISSIONS FROM PRODUCTION OF MATERIALS, CONSTRUCTION OF AN ASSET, THE USE OR OPERATION OF AN ASSET, AND IN SOME CASES END OF LIFE.

UH, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR EXERCISE, WE FOCUS ON EMBODIED CARBON AND OPERATIONAL CARBON, UH, FOR ALL PROJECTS BECAUSE IT'S TIGHT AND ACHIEVABLE, UH, ON OUR TIMELINE HERE.

AND, UM, WE'LL ALSO JUST CAPTURE THE VAST MAJORITY OF EMISSIONS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, BASED ON PREVIOUS WORKING INTUITION.

SO, UH, WHEN WE START APPROACHING THIS ANALYSIS, WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE AS MUCH DETAIL AS WE POSSIBLY CAN FROM PROJECT DESCRIPTIONS AND WORKING WITH, UH, DEPARTMENTS AND PARTNERS.

UM, WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY SOME SIMILARITIES BETWEEN PROJECT TYPES, UM, WHICH I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, JUST TO HELP KEEP ASSUMPTIONS CONSISTENT AND TO ATTEMPT TO EVALUATE PROJECTS ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

AND THEN, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, RECONCILE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF THAT TODAY, SO I KNOW I DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THE NUANCE THERE, BUT POTENTIALLY WE BREAK SOME OF THAT INTO SMALLER PIECES IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY QUANTIFY WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THERE.

RIGHT? SO, UM, IN KIND OF A FIRST PASS THROUGH THE LIST OF 66 PROJECTS, FOR MY PURPOSES, FOUR TYPES OF PROJECTS SORT OF STOOD OUT, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THEM.

SO EACH ONE OF THE 66 PROJECTS ON THE LIST FALLS INTO ONE OR SOMETIMES, UH, MORE OF THESE CATEGORIES.

UH, THOSE ARE OPEN SPACE, SO LAND AND PARKS, DRAINAGE, WATER WATERSHED STUFF, FACILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION.

UM, AND THE OTHER COLUMNS HERE, WHAT I'VE GOT LISTED OUT ARE THE, UH, SOURCES OF EMISSIONS FOR EMBODIED CARBON AND OPERATIONAL CARBON.

IT'LL COME AS NO SURPRISE THAT THE CARBON INTENTS, UH, UH, UH, MATERIALS THAT GO INTO CONSTRUCTION, CEMENT, STEEL, AND GLASS ARE THE BIGGEST SOURCE OF EMBODIED CARBON, UH, FOR FACILITIES.

THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RENOVATION AND NEW BUILD.

UM, AND THEN FOR OPERATIONAL CARBON IN OUR FACILITIES, EMISSIONS ARE GENERALLY COMING FROM ELECTRICITY AND NATURAL GAS.

THE ITEMS THAT I'VE GOT HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN HERE ARE, UM, AVOIDED OR IN SOME CASES NEGATIVE EMISSIONS.

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SO OPEN SPACE, UM, IF IT'S GREEN AND IT GROWS, NATURAL SYSTEMS DO CAPTURE CARBON.

I THINK WE ALL KIND OF KNOW THAT, UM, AT OUR FACILITIES, IF WE'RE INSTALLING EV CHARGING AND IT ENABLES THE ELECTRIFICATION, THOSE ARE CARS THAT ARE NOW ELECTRIC AND WOULD OTHERWISE BE GAS OR DIESEL.

AND SO THAT'S EMISSIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, IF, UH, THE PROJECTS INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT INDUCE WALKING, BIKING, OR THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT, THEN THAT THOSE, UH, PROJECTS AVOID WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE SINGLE PASSENGER VEHICLE TRIPS, UM, AND REPRESENT AVOIDED EMISSIONS AS WELL.

SO MY TASK, OUR TASK WILL BE TO DROP EACH OF THE PROJECTS INTO ONE OR MORE OF THESE BUCKETS, UH, TO KEEP ASSUMPTIONS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THIS READY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE WORK WILL LOOK LIKE, UH, THAT WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO PRESENT OUT IN NOVEMBER.

UM, THIS IS A PROJECT FROM THE LIST, UM, THE NORTHEAST PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER AT $51 MILLION IN THE RUDBERG BREAKER AREA.

UM, WHAT I'VE GOT HERE IS THE TEXT ACTUALLY FROM THE MEMO SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S THERE AND THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.

UM, SO WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT IT'LL BE A COMPREHENSIVE FACILITY OFFERING A WHOLE HOST OF SERVICES, UH, LISTED THERE.

AND THEN WE KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WELL.

UM, IT'LL BE A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT MULTIPURPOSE CENTER.

SO STARTING WITH WHAT WE KNOW, WE CAN START TO BUILD AN ANALYSIS.

UH, WE KNOW IT'S A NEW BUILD, UH, WE KNOW IT'LL BE ENERGY EFFICIENT LEAD SILVER OR BETTER, MORE ON THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, BUT WE ALSO KNOW IT'LL BE A MULTIPURPOSE, UH, FACILITY, WHICH I WOULD ACTUALLY ARGUE THAT ALL CITY FACILITIES ARE GOING TO BE HIGH TRAFFIC, HIGH WORKLOAD FACILITIES.

UM, AS I SAID, WE'VE, WE KNOW, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE SO WE CAN SCALE EMBODIED AND OPERATIONAL CARBON EMISSIONS FROM THAT.

AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE, UH, WE CAN KIND OF FILL SOME GAPS WITH COST AS WELL AS SOME ASSUMPTIONS I'LL SHOW ON THE NEXT SLIDE, RIGHT? SO, UM, WE KNOW SOME THINGS, BUT THERE ARE A LOT, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW AND WE NEED TO FILL THOSE GAPS WITH OTHER DATA.

UH, THAT'S GOOD AND SOUND OR ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE SORT OF INDUSTRY, INDUSTRY STANDARD, UH, BEST PRACTICES.

SO WE KNOW AUSTIN ENERGY'S, UH, CARBON INTENSITY FROM THE ELECTRICITY THEY PRODUCE AND THEIR FORECAST FOR DECARBONIZATION, UH, OUT TO 2035.

UM, THERE IS SOME STANDARD ASSUMPTIONS YOU CAN MAKE ABOUT NATURAL GAS IN BUILDINGS AND THE EMISSIONS FROM THAT.

UM, I MENTIONED THIS PREVIOUSLY, UH, BUT I'M PROPOSING TO USE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR ENERGY USE PER SQUARE FOOT OF NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

UM, WE HAVE TO BUILD TO A MINIMUM OF LEAD SILVER AT CITY FACILITIES, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE EFFICIENT, BUT ALSO THESE ARE HIGH TRAFFIC, HEAVY WORKLOAD, UH, BUILDINGS.

SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT PROBABLY EVENS OUT TO ABOUT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR NEW BUILDS.

UM, BECAUSE THIS WORK, AS ZACH MENTIONED, HAS BEEN DEVELOPING, UM, MORE RECENTLY, EVEN AT LEAPS AND BOUNDS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, THERE ARE SOME STANDARD ASSUMPTIONS YOU CAN MAKE ABOUT EMBODIED CARBON PER SQUARE FOOT IN NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

AND THEN FOR OUR PURPOSES, UH, WE'LL ASSUME THESE ASSETS HAVE A 50 YEAR LIFETIME.

SO PLUG ALL THAT IN THE FORMULAS THAT FOLKS LIKE ME USE.

AND, UH, YOU CAN CRUNCH THE NUMBERS AND CALCULATE BOTH EMBODIED CARBON AND OPERATIONAL CARBON OVER THE LIFETIME, WHICH BRINGS THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.

WE ESTIMATE TO AROUND 13,000 METRIC TONS OF CO2 OVER ITS 50 YEAR LIFETIME.

I'VE GOT ANOTHER EXAMPLE HERE ON THE NEXT ONE WE'LL GO THROUGH REAL QUICKLY AS WELL, JUST ON ONE SLIDE, RIGHT? SO HERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT, UH, LOCAL MOBILITY SAFE HOUSE, THE SCHOOL PROGRAM AT $20 MILLION.

UM, THE TEXT READS FUNDING FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AROUND SCHOOLS, INCLUDING SIDEWALKS, CURB RAMPS, BIKE LANES, CURB EXTENSIONS, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ISLANDS, AND IT GOES ON.

UM, HIGHLIGHTING THIS ONE FOR A COUPLE REASONS.

FIRST, THERE'S NOT A TON OF DETAIL IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, BUT LUCKILY THIS IS A SPACE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN IN THE PAST AND WE CAN APPLY THE PREVIOUS ANALYSIS TO TO UPCOMING ONES.

AND THEN ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT THAT UNLOCKS, UH, AVOIDED EMISSIONS AND HAS NEGATIVE, UH, EMISSIONS OVER THE LIFETIME.

UM, SO AS I SAID, WE CAN TAKE PAST DEVELOPMENTS TO ESTIMATE THE NUMBER OF MILES THAT WOULD BE BUILT OF SIDEWALK AND BIKE PATH BASED ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

UM, WE GENERALLY KNOW THE THICKNESS OF PADS AND CEMENT THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO NEW SIDEWALKS AND BIKE PATHS.

SO, UH, THERE'S AN AVERAGE AND EMBODIED CARBON PER MILE, UH, FOR THOSE ASSETS.

UM, WE HAVE PRETTY DECENT DATA ON THE WAY THAT CURRENT SIDEWALKS AND BIKE PATHS ARE, ARE USED IN, UH, AUSTIN.

AND SO WE CAN MAKE SOME BASIC ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT NEW SIDEWALKS AND BIKE PATHS WOULD INDUCE IN TERMS OF, UH, BIKE AND UH, WALKING TRAFFIC.

AND THEN THOSE, THAT BIKE AND WALKING TRAFFIC IS AVOIDED SINGLE PASSENGER VEHICLE TRIPS IN GENERAL, AND THOSE TRIPS ACCUMULATE OVER THE LIFETIME OF THE ASSET.

SO YOU CRUNCH THE NUMBERS THROUGH AND END UP GETTING, UM, A TOTAL LIFECYCLE, UH, CARBON EMISSIONS OF NEGATIVE 7,000 OVER THE 50 YEAR LIFETIME.

APPLY THIS LEVEL OF ANALYSIS TO ALL 66 OF THOSE PROJECTS.

THANKS PHIL.

UH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, SO, UH, WE ARE GONNA ESSENTIALLY

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UH, WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

UH, WE'RE THEN GONNA VISUALIZE, INTERPRET ALL THIS DATA, TRY TO MAKE IT SAY SOMETHING, TRY TO MAKE IT COMMUNICATE TO ALL OF YOU SO IT'S NOT JUST LOTS OF NUMBERS ON A PAGE THAT JUST MAKE THINGS MORE CONFUSING.

UH, WE'RE GOOD AT THAT.

WE'RE GOOD AT TAKING DATA AND INFORMATION AND MAKING IT USEFUL.

UM, WE WILL THEN REVIEW THAT, UH, INITIAL DRAFT WITH THE CDS TEAM, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTAL ASSET OWNERS TO REVIEW ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THIS MAKES SENSE AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING WILDLY OUT OF BOUNDS.

UM, WE'LL THEN FINALIZE THAT, PULL IT INTO A PRESENTATION, UH, TO TELL A STORY ABOUT ALL THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER.

AND WE PROPOSE TO BRING THIS BACK, UH, TO THE NEXT B IFF MEETING ON NOVEMBER 17TH.

SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR PLAN.

WE'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.

I'M GONNA GO AROUND THE ROOM, LUKE.

BUT I LOVE IT.

SO, UH, THANK YOU ZACH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND THIS WOULD BE WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTAL STAFF, IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HEALTH, LIKE A HEALTH CENTER OR A CLINIC THAT'S BEING PUT UP IT RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE GETTING, UH, PARTICIPANTS FROM ANOTHER PART, RIGHT? THEY'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MEET A NEED.

AND SO WILL YOUR CALCULATION TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE TRAVEL TIME, LIKE A REDUCTION IN TRAVEL TIME BECAUSE THEY'LL BE NOW MORE FOCUSED IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE COMING IN FOR THAT NEW ASSET.

UH, SO, UH, JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING, UM, SO PUT A NEW HEALTH CENTER SOMEWHERE AND IT'S CLOSER TO A COMMUNITY THAT HAS NEED AND NOW THOSE FOLKS ARE DRIVING SHORTER DISTANCES, UH, TO GET TO THE HEALTH CENTER, CORRECT? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IS A, IT IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I THINK FOR A FIRST DRAFT IT MIGHT BE, UM, A LITTLE TOO DEEP, UH, JUST ON THE TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M THINKING, I'M JUST LIKE A GENERALIZATION 'CAUSE EVEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, ARE YOU USING COVE TOOL TO BE ABLE OR SOME OTHER TOOL IN ORDER TO DO YOUR UH, UM, IN-HOUSE ANALYSIS? YEAH.

IN-HOUSE.

SO I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY GENERALIZATIONS THAT ALREADY GOING ON AND I CAN TOTALLY APPRECIATE IT, UM, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK AND MORE INFORMATION IS BETTER THAN LESS INFORMATION.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THING IF, IF SOMETHING THAT LEASE A NOTATION THAT MAJORITY OF SAY IN THIS HEALTH CLINIC, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS ARE COMING FROM ZIP CODES OVER LIKE THESE ZIP CODES AND THIS WOULD LAND IN THIS PARTICULAR ZIP CODE, THAT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL INFORMING EVEN IF WE COULDN'T QUANTIFY IT.

, THANK YOU FOR THIS.

I'M SUPER EXCITED THAT, THAT THIS IS MOVING FORWARD.

SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW, IN TERMS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE ANALYZED, IT'LL JUST BE ONE LEVEL OF ANALYSIS THAT REPRESENTS AS PROPOSED, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

ABSENCE OF A MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS ON EACH SPECIFIC BUILDING? LIKE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD LEAD YOU TO THINK THAT LIKE THE LIBRARY AS AN OUTLIER, WOULD SIMILAR COST AND SAVINGS PROBABLY APPLY TO LIKE A HEALTH CENTER OR ANY OTHER BUILDING? YEAH, I MEAN, YES.

AND THEN ARE Y'ALL ANTICIPATING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND DO MORE LIKE WHAT WE GOT FROM AUSTIN PUBLIC LIBRARIES, WHICH WAS LIKE, HERE'S THE BASELINE LEAD SILVER BUILDING AND THEN HERE'S THE LIKE NET ZERO CARBON ON A LIFECYCLE BASIS? YEAH.

SO THE, THE ANALYSIS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED LIBRARY PROJECT, UH, WAS SUPER DETAILED, WAS DONE BY A CONSULTANT, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE A FULL LCA, UM, ON THAT PROJECT.

THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT PROJECT IS VERY FAR DOWN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF BEING, LIKE BEING DESIGNED.

UM, MOST OF OUR PROJECTS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

UM, SO I THINK WHAT WE'D PROPOSE TO DO IS DO THIS LEVEL OF ANALYSIS FIRST AND THEN AS THIS BOND PROCESS GETS FURTHER AND FURTHER DOWN THE LINE AND WE GET MORE SPECIFICITY AS THE PROJECT LIST GETS NARROWED, UM, WE CAN DO ELEVATED LEVELS OF, OF ANALYSIS AND WE CAN DO COMPARISONS OF PROJECTS.

UM, BUT PROBABLY NOT AT THIS INITIAL LIKE SCREENING LEVEL.

SO I THINK WE CAN JUST COMMIT TO KEEP WORKING ON THIS AND KEEP ENGAGED WITH THE TASK FORCE IN ORDER TO BE USEFUL.

AWESOME.

THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

UM, IN THE MEANTIME, AS WE, YOU KNOW, ARE KIND OF DOING OUR WORK IN THE WORKING GROUPS AND, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, MONEY AND, AND PROJECTS AND BALANCING ALL THAT, DO YOU THINK IT'S A SAFE ASSUMPTION FOR US TO USE MORE OR LESS THE, UM, COST ADDERS AND COSTS COST SAVINGS KIND OF AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT THE A PL DID AS JUST LIKE A BROAD BRUSH STROKE IN

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I, I I THINK IT'S SAFE, UH, TO UH, MAKE SOME GENERAL ASSUMPTIONS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL LIKE THE DESIGNERS AND THE ENGINEERS GET IN THERE.

UM, OKAY, BUT FOR THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR LEVEL OF DETAIL AS SORT OF THE ANALYSIS THAT I'M, I'M PROPOSING? YEAH.

SO MAYBE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THAT FOR EACH BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT AND WE COULD JUST KIND OF APPLY THOSE NUMBERS TO THE OTHER, AT LEAST OTHER BUILDINGS.

SURE.

AND, AND WE COULD PROBABLY ASSIST WITH THOSE GENERAL ASSUMPTIONS AS WELL.

Y'ALL MENTION, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS JUST ABOUT THE PARKS PROJECTS IN PARTICULAR.

UM, I SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION I THINK LIKE MILES IS EASY, BUT THEN LIKE THE PARKS PROJECTS, THEY DID HAVE LIKE PRIORITY LISTS.

ARE YOU GONNA JUST ANALYZE THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE PRIORITY LIST EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ASKING FOR A BUCKET OF MONEY, PROGRAMMATIC MONEY? OR HAVE YOU NOT GOT THAT FAR IN FIGURING OUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO? I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR YET.

YEP.

THAT'S GONNA BE OUR, UH, THESE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS IN ORDER TO SHORE UP ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

YEP.

LET'S TAKE SOME ONLINE QUESTIONS.

RACHEL STONE.

UM, I WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIKE SAVED DISTANCE THING.

I THINK A LOT OF PROJECTS ARE BEING BUILT BECAUSE OTHER FACILITIES ARE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T BEING SERVED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I, I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH WHAT THE DECISION WAS ON THAT, BUT I DO THINK, UM, I DO THINK THAT SHOULD BE CAPTURED, UM, IN THIS, 'CAUSE I, IT, UH, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE FACILITIES BEING LIKE, WE NEED TO BE CLOSER TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S, UM, HAVING TROUBLE GETTING TO THE OTHER ONE.

SO I, I JUST DO THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG PIECE OF A LOT OF THESE FACILITY PROJECTS.

THERE A QUESTION, CHARLES.

I THINK I'M, I'M FOLLOWING UP ON UM, WHAT KIND, UH, ASK, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ALL THE PROJECTS ARE ESTIMATED ON THE BASIS OF LEAD SILVER.

IS THERE A REASON THE CITY DECIDED TO DO THAT RATHER THAN SOME HIGHER LEVEL AND WHAT ISN'T A HIGHER LEVEL MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

UH, THAT'S THE COUNCIL ADOPTED GREEN BUILDING POLICY.

SO CITY COUNCIL'S ADOPTED THAT FOR NEW PROJECTS, UH, NEW BUILDING PROJECTS LIKE THIS, THEY WOULD MEET THIS MINIMUM STANDARD LEAD, SILVER.

SILVER.

QUESTION, IF THIS, IF AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOES STAY IN THIS ANALYSIS, UM, WOULD THE COMPARISON, SO THAT IS, THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SILVER REQUIREMENT, I THINK IT'S A SMART HOUSING REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY.

SO WE JUST ESTIMATED THAT AS THE BASELINE.

DAVE? WELL, I'LL JUST REPEAT THE QUESTION.

I ASKED ZACH AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUES ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS EXCELLENT TRANSIT SERVICE.

AND SO WE WENT FROM BEING A TWO CAR HOUSEHOLD TO A ONE CAR HOUSEHOLD.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE COUNTED? AND APPARENTLY IT'S NOT.

SO THE POINT IS THERE ARE GOING TO BE OTHER POSITIVE THINGS THAT ARE NOT COUNTED.

DONALD.

I'M ACTUALLY JUST, I'M JUST GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT I THINK AND A WITH, 'CAUSE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE KIND OF LIKE THAT AND A LITTLE MORE DETAILED.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT USING A SPECIFIC TOOL, YOU'RE DOING IN-HOUSE KIND OF HEURISTIC ANALYSIS.

UM, AND IT SOUNDS, AND THIS SORT OF GETS, AND THE THING THAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE WAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD BE TREATED IN THE SYSTEM, UH, FROM THE LIST OF FOUR CATEGORIES.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THAT'S INCLUDED, IT WOULD BE UNDER THE FACILITIES CATEGORY AND JUST BE, UH, JUST BE ESTIMATED BASED ON CONSTRUCTION FACTORS, WHICH I THINK THAT'S, I WOULD FIND THAT CON I'D BE A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THAT AND THINK MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE REVISED OR, OR THE WHOLE CATEGORY SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM THE INITIAL ANALYSIS BECAUSE THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S FUNDED WITH THE CITY POLICIES ARE LESS ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF, THOUGH THEY ARE, THERE IS, THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE A, OR, UH, I THINK SMART HOUSING IS EITHER THE REQUIRED OR INCURRED.

SO THERE IS, UM, BASE LEVEL AUSTIN GREEN BUILDING REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE IS MUCH MORE FOCUS ON PROXIMITY TO HIGH FREQUENCY TRANSIT STOPS INTEGRATED IN THE TRANSIT AND IN THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S REALLY THOSE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT FEED INTO IT, WHICH IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT I THINK KIND OF HARD TO DO WITH THIS WITH UM, THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS.

I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE USING THESE DAYS, BUT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT USED TO HAVE TOOLS THAT COULD DO THAT, UM, WHICH MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING AT.

UM, AND I GUESS THEN THE OTHER

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WOULD THAT BE JUST TREATED AS LIKE AN ABSOLUTE, UH, CARBON QUANTITY OR WOULD IT BE COMPARED TO LIKE, UM, LIKE MARKET AVERAGE WITHOUT ANY SORT OF REQUIREMENTS? UM, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

IT'S A GOOD ONE.

UH, SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN PARTICULAR ON ONE OF THE SLIDES, UH, WHERE IT WAS THE TABLE OF SORT OF EMBODIED AND OPERATIONAL CARBON.

THERE WAS AN ASTERISK THERE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAID SOME PROJECTS JUST KIND OF DON'T FIT IN HERE AND THEY WON'T BE EVALUATED.

AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ONE.

IT'S JUST, I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY PROGRAMMATIC, BUT IT'S JUST SO BIG AND THERE ARE SO MANY ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BAKE IN THAT THE RESULTS WOULD PROBABLY NOT REALLY BE SENSIBLE ON COMPARING THINGS ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

AND SO, UH, AGREED THAT THAT ONE WOULD AND PROBABLY OR SHOULD AND PROBABLY WILL BE LEFT OUT OF THIS APPROACH.

SO WE'LL JUST BE TALKING MORE ABOUT THE, THE, THE OPEN SPACE AND CITY FACILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.

YEAH, YEAH.

STUFF THAT WE CAN MAKE ENOUGH, UH, EDUCATED ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT, UH, UM, PROVIDE USEFUL OUTPUT.

UM, JUST YEAH, RECOGNIZING THE COMPLEXITY OF THE EXERCISE AND, AND THE DIFFERENT LAYERS THAT YOU HAVE TO KIND OF MAKE PROJECTIONS AND ESTIMATES ABOUT THIS MIGHT BE ASKING A LOT.

UM, BUT UH, SOME KIND OF LIKE CONFIDENCE LEVEL THAT COMES WITH DIFFERENT PROJECTIONS WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT STRIKES ME LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, OPEN SPACE CARBON SEQUESTRATION SEEMS LIKE HIGHLY IDIOSYNCRATIC TO LIKE THIS OPEN SPACE THAT'S BEING ACQUIRED, RIGHT? AND THAT MIGHT NOT BE A REASONABLE ESTIMATE TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOT BY LOT OR, OR OR, UH, PROPOSED ACQUISITION BY ACQUISITION.

SO, UH, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US JUST TO KINDA SEE WHERE YOU GUYS ARE VERY CONFIDENT IN NUMBER AND WHERE YOU'RE LESS CONFIDENT.

WELL I APPRECIATE THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE TASK FORCE ON SPECIFIC, UH, TOPICS HERE, BUT GENERALLY I'LL SAY THAT AS ONE OF THE, UH, SEVERAL TO PROBABLY MANY PEOPLE WHO'VE ASKED Y Y'ALL TO FOR SOME HELP WITH THIS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, IT'S, WE'RE FEELS LIKE WE'RE REALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT'S SEEMED LIKE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS TASK FORCE AS IT SHOULD BE.

AND APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE REQUESTS AND PROVIDING US SOME, SOME TOOLS.

ROBERT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ONLINE? WE GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN NOVEMBER.

OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE CRITERIA TO BE USED BY THE FULL BTIF TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS FROM RECOMMENDED BY THE WORKING GROUPS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE GROUP ON THIS? OKAY.

[6. Discussion and possible action to approve criteria to be used by full BEATF to prioritize projects recommended by Working Groups.]

RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE, UH, ONLY ABOUT 15 MINUTES LEFT, I THINK WE COULD GET STARTED ON THIS, UM, TOPIC.

WE OBVIOUSLY WILL NOT FINISH IT.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF SEVERAL MONTHS OF, OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE AS A GROUP WILL ANALYZE THE PROJECTS THAT COME UP FROM THE WORKING GROUPS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A, A SYSTEM BY WHICH WE COULD, UH, WINY THEM DOWN.

SO LAST TIME WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT COMING UP WITH SORT OF THESE SORT OF, UM, VALUE, BIG, BIG PICTURE QUESTIONS THAT UNIFIED, YOU KNOW, ACROSS PROJECTS SORT OF CROSS CUTTING CRITERIA AND BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE LAST MEETING I CAME UP WITH FOUR BIG QUESTIONS.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S ONLY FOUR, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE MORE.

WE GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.

SO I, UH, I THINK THE BEST PLACE TO START WOULD BE PROBABLY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE FOUR QUESTIONS AND UM, AFTER WE HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS OR, OR SORRY, NOT THE QUESTIONS, BUT HOW WE HAVE TO OUR VALUE, THE FOUR VALUES WE CAN MOVE ON TO KIND OF WHAT THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES WHEN WE'RE DECIDING WHETHER THAT PROJECT OR PROGRAM MEETS THAT VALUE.

AND THEN IN ASSESSING A POINT, WHICH ALL THOSE THINGS I THINK WE COULD OBVIOUSLY WE'LL NEED MORE TIME FOR.

BUT I'LL, I'D, I'D JUST LIKE TO KICK OFF WITH WHOEVER, IF ANYONE HAS ANY FEEDBACK ON THE VALUES, UM, WE CAN TAKE 'EM, OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD TAKE 'EM ONE BY ONE AS WE GET FEEDBACK ON THEM.

SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO DI JUST DIVE IN.

YOU'VE HAD THESE I THINK NOW FOR FOUR OR FIVE, SIX DAYS.

UM, HAPPY TO GET FEEDBACK ACT.

DO YOU WANT ME TO PICK ONE TO START WITH? I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UM, SO I, LOOKING AT THE CLIMATE ONE AND, UH, GIVEN THAT WE JUST, UH, HEARD FROM, UM, OA THAT WE'LL BE GETTING A MORE

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SOPHISTICATED ANALYSIS, I, UH, I MIGHT PROPOSE JUST REPLACING THIS WITH WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.

UM, AND UH, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW, 'CAUSE I'M HOPING THAT THE WHOLE PACKAGE CAN IN FACT BE CARBON NEUTRAL AS, AS THERE, UH, WILL BE, WILL NOW FINALLY HAVE THE DATA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THEN A SEPARATE PROCESS FROM THIS POINTS SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, UM, OR, OR HOW TO RECONCILE THOSE TWO THINGS.

UM, BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN STILL HAS IT HAS IT HAVE AS A KEY, UM, METRIC BY WHICH TO ANA ANALYZE THESE IS WHETHER TOGETHER THEY ADD UP TO BEING CARBON NEUTRAL.

I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS THE ONE THAT HAD THE BIGGEST SORT OF FLAG WAITING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS PROCESS PLAY OUT BECAUSE I THINK WE STILL NEED TO SEE WHAT WE GET TO SEE IF IT IS WAY ALL WE NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHATEVER QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE.

SO I HEAR YOU ON THAT ONE.

UM, I KNOW WE'VE GOT AN ARM UP FOR ONLINE HAYDEN WALKER.

CAN WE GO TO THE, ARE WE GO, ARE WE GONNA GO, ARE WE GONNA JUMP AROUND AND TALK? NO, WE DON'T WANNA JUMP AROUND.

WE STAY.

I THINK WE'RE ON THE CLIMATE ONE, SO IF WE HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS CAN WE GO TO THAT SLIDE THEN? THANKS SIR.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

YES, LET'S STAY ON THE CLIMATE FOR NOW, BUT I UM, HAPPY TO TAKE FURTHER ONLINE.

WAS THAT HAYDEN WALKER WHEN YOU'RE READY? WAS IT ABOUT CLIMATE? IT? WELL IT'S JUST IN GENERAL, SOME OF THEM SAY PROJECT AND SOME OF 'EM SAY PROJECT OR PROGRAM AND SORRY TO BEAT A DEBT HORSE, BUT CAN THEY ALL SAY PROJECT OR PROGRAM 'CAUSE IT'S APP? UH, IT'S APPLICABLE IN BOTH CASES, YES.

AND MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT ONE WORD FOR IT, BUT YES.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE CLIMATE ONE? YEAH, UM, I MEAN GENERALLY I LIKE ALL OF THESE BUT UM, I JUST WANNA NOTE ON THIS ONE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT WE WERE JUST TOLD THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS THE CATEGORY WILL PROBABLY BE EXCLUDED FROM THE, THE SUSTAINABILITY OFF WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED NOW, THE ANALYSIS.

UH, I WOULD, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A SA SITUATION WHERE THINGS THAT ARE EXCLUDED FROM THAT ANALYSIS BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED ON FUTURE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE CAN'T DO THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS, DON'T SUDDENLY NOT HAVE LIKE 25 POINTS.

UH, BUT TOTALLY HEAR YOU ON THAT.

THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST THE METHODOLOGICAL.

AGREED.

I THINK WE, WE HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO ON THAT.

KIND OF, MY ONE QUESTION ON THIS SLIDE IS I'M NOT SURE WHAT GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE MEANS IN THIS CONTEXT.

IT CAN MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO ADDED THAT ONE IN THERE.

SO MAYBE WHOEVER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU OR SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT I THINK THAT CAME UP IN ONE OF OUR LIST OF, YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE SPIT BALLING IDEAS MM-HMM .

AROUND.

UM, I KIND OF TENDED NOT WANNA DIVE INTO THE QUESTIONS THEMSELVES RIGHT NOW, IF MAYBE WE COULD GET THROUGH THE FOUR VALUES AND THEN DRILL DOWN ON QUESTIONS THE NEXT MEETING.

THEN I'M JUST FLAGGING THAT ONE FOR IN NEED OF DEFINITION.

THANK YOU NICOLE.

I JUST WANT TO CONCUR WITH LUKE THAT I DON'T THINK THIS CRITERIA SET IS NECESSARY CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE BASELINE INFORMATION FROM THESE GUYS TELLING US THE CLIMATE IMPACT AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE RECOMMEND PROJECTS THAT DO NOT FALL WITHIN THAT CATEGORY, I'M SURE WE CAN FIND SOME KIND OF STATEMENT THAT WE CAN PUT UP WITH.

'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ONESIE, TWOSIES.

AND SO I WOULD HATE TO SEE US SPEND EXPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH EVERY PROJECT AROUND ALL THESE QUESTIONS WHEN WE ARE ALREADY GONNA HAVE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AGENCY.

I THINK JUST I, TO DONALD'S POINT, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE CAN'T RELY ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION IF THEIR RECOMMENDATION LEAVES OUT A CHUNK OF THE PROJECT.

SO WE HAVE TO BE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE BALANCE THERE RIGHT.

AND HOW WE'RE GONNA RANK THEM OR SCORE THEM.

SO I JUST RELEVANT, NOT JUST, SORRY.

THERE'S ALSO FACTORS IN, IN THIS CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE RELEVANT THAT ARE NOT STRICTLY CARBON REDUCTION, BUT THEY ARE IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL VALUES FOR THE CITY.

LIKE I THINK GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE IS WATERSHED STUFF AND, UM, RESILIENCE AND RESILIENCE MAY, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE CAPTURED FULLY IN A CARBON ESTIMATE, SO, OKAY.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I THINK THE NAME OF THE CATEGORY COULD CHANGE AND I THINK THAT THE DATA WE GET FROM OAR CAN HELP US ANSWER QUESTION NUMBER ONE, BUT WE STILL NEED THE QUESTION THERE, RIGHT? SO MAYBE IF WE JUST FOCUS ON THE, EITHER WE SORT OF PUT THIS ONE TO THE SIDE UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE WORK THAT THAT ZACH'S TEAM'S DOING.

OR WE FOCUS ON JUST MAKING SURE WE ALL AGREE ON WHAT THAT VALUE STATEMENT NEEDS TO BE.

CATEGORY IS JUST THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.

AS OPPOSED TO, BECAUSE THE VALUE STATEMENT SHOULD THEN DICTATE, OR, YOU KNOW, HELP US FIGURE OUT THE QUESTIONS THAT ANSWER THAT.

WELL, A BROADER

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AND WHAT, WHAT IS THE VALUE THAT WE ARE SAYING WE WANT TO REFLECT THAT WE ARE PROMOTING ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IN OUR PROJECTS.

I AGREE WITH THAT, AND I THINK ALL THESE QUESTIONS GET TO ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THE VALUE BEING PROMOTING ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY? IS THAT, I I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ASCERTAIN THAT WITH NO FORMAL, LIKE IF THERE ARE GONNA BE PROJECTS THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS NOT GONNA HAVE DIFFICULTIES ASCERTAINING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXPERTISE WE'RE GONNA BRING TO THE TABLE IN ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS WHEN THOSE PROJECTS COME UP.

IF THE, IF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, HAVE THE EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA CAN'T FIND AN ASSIGNMENT FOR LIKE, THE BULK OF HOUSING PROJECTS OR MAKE AN ESTIMATE OR, I'M, I'M, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT FORMERLY ASSERTING SOME KIND OF POSITION STATEMENT ON A PROJECT TO WHICH THERE IS NO TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO INFORM THAT DECISION.

AND THAT'S, WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

THE DEPARTMENTS ARE COMING TO US AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'LL SAY IS LIKE THIS AS A RESILIENCE BENEFIT BECAUSE OF X, Y, Z SAID THE HOUSING BUCKET MAY OR MAY NOT FALL INTO CERTAIN CATEGORIES.

BUT FOR EXAMPLE, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AT A, AT A BUS RAPID TR BUS STOP OR AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE YOU HAVE TWO BUS LINES IS BETTER THAN ONE WHERE THERE'S NO BUS STOP WITHIN A MILE.

SO YOU'RE, YOU ARE IN CR HAVING POSITIVE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IF YOU PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE THERE'S MASS TRANSIT.

BUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALREADY HAS THOSE STANDARDS WITHIN THE PROGRAM AND WE CAN'T GET INTO ASSESSING THOSE.

SO I THINK JUST TAKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUT OF THIS, BECAUSE THE CITY DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAS PRIORITIES AROUND ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, AND LETTING THEM USE THEIR RANKINGS TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS, I THINK IS LIKE, WE CAN'T GET INTO THE PROGRAMMATIC DETERMINATIONS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

LIKE WE HAVE TO JUST TRUST THE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY ALREADY ARE DOING SMART HOUSING, WHICH HAS AN EYE TOWARDS GREEN BUILDING.

UM, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GUESS ON THESE PROJECTS IN ADVANCE.

SO I I I JUST AGREE THAT WE SHOULD JUST TAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUT OF THIS QUESTION.

SO WE SHOULD BE USING CLIMATE IN EACH WORKING GROUP AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT AS A, AN OVERALL IMPORTANT THING THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THEIR DETERMINATIONS.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK WE SHOULD ANALYZE THE ENTIRE BOND PACKAGE.

NOT ASK THESE QUESTIONS OF EACH OF THE, OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LET ALL THE WORKING GROUPS USE THIS, BUT IF IT'S NOT GONNA APPLY TO THE WORKING GROUP, THEN THEY DON'T NEED TO USE THIS.

WELL, I, I GUESS I WASN'T REALLY THINKING THE WORKING GROUP WOULD BE TASKED WITH USING THIS LIST, BUT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE QUESTIONS.

AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING ON LIKE WHAT QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO THE, WHAT ARE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.

BUT I, I WAS TRYING TO GET TO QUESTIONS THAT ARE SORT OF ALMOST, IF THEY COULD BE PROJECT TYPE AGNOSTIC , AND MAYBE THAT'S IS IN FACT NOT, UM, POSSIBLE IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CATEGORY, UM, CHAIR.

QUICK QUESTION.

WOULD THIS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO COME UP ON EACH OF THE PROJECTS AT EITHER AS THE WORKING GROUP OR AS THE FULL BODY FOR THE DETERMINATION OF THE POINTS? IS IT JUST GONNA BE WE'RE PLUGGING IT AWAY AND IT'S CUMULATIVE AND, AND DIVIDING IT? SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT DISCUSSION.

WHICH IS IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF GET THE, I I THINK WE'VE GOTTA GET THE VALUE START TO TALK.

NO, I AGREE.

I'M JUST, BECAUSE IT KIND OF HELPS INFORM MY LENS A LITTLE BIT.

UM, I WAS THINKING, SO YOU WOULD SAY IF WE GET THE, WE ALL AGREE ON THE QUESTIONS.

THESE QUESTIONS ANSWER THE QUESTION, DOES THIS PROMOTE THE VALUE WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE? YES.

NO.

GETS A POINT AND THEN YOU ADD THEM UP AND YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A SCORE AT LEAST IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS PRIORITIES.

IT'S ANOTHER WAY, ANOTHER LENS FOR US TO SEE HOW DO THEY COMPARE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOZENS OF PROJECTS.

SO THAT PROCESS WOULD BE AN INDIVIDUAL PROCESS.

YOU OH, WHETHER WE WE'RE INDIVIDUALLY SCORING THAT.

I WAS NOT THINKING WE WOULD DO THAT.

I WAS THINKING WE WOULD DO THAT.

I DON'T UNDER, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND HOW USING THIS, LIKE WE'RE GONNA SAY STORM WATER, DOES IT HAVE A CLIMATE PURPOSE OR WE'RE LIKE GONNA LOOK AT EACH PROJECT UNDER STORM WATER, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT THE WORKING GROUPS ARE DOING.

LIKE HOW, HOW WOULD WE USE THIS AT THE HIGHER LEVEL? THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

THAT'S EXACTLY THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE, FOR THE DISCUSSION.

I, I THINK THIS COULD BE USEFUL.

WOULD BE VERY USEFUL FOR THE WORKING GROUPS TO APPLY, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK AS A WHOLE TASK FORCE THAT WE NEED TO ALL HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME QUESTIONS AT THE HIGHER LEVEL THAT EVERYBODY IS APPLYING.

I STILL THINK WE SHOULD JUST HAVE, I THINK IT

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'CAUSE THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THE WORKING GROUPS ARE DEALING WITH THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE UNIQUE TO THEIR, THEIR SET.

RIGHT? SO IF WE STILL ARE HOPING THAT WE COME TOGETHER AS THE LARGER GROUP, ONCE THE WORKING GROUPS HAVE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO ALL THE GROUPS.

AND IF THESE LOOK, THESE QUESTIONS ARE WRONG, THEY'RE WRONG.

I MEAN, I, I, THIS IS, THIS IS A GROUP PROJECT AND THIS WAS MY HOMEWORK AND I'M BRINGING IT TO YOU TO BE SCORED AND I'M ASKING FOR INPUT.

AND, AND, AND WE WILL, I, I, I'M HEARING RACHEL, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO, UH, FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS THE WAY WE WANNA GO.

THIS IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN LEADING AND THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING.

SO IT, IT'S NOT, I'M NOT LIKE, I ACTUALLY THINK THESE ARE REALLY WELL DONE QUESTIONS.

I THINK THE ONLY THING OUT OF ALL THE, THE QUESTIONS WOULD BE REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE TAKE INTO EFFECT THE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHERE BOND MONEY HADN'T BEEN SPENT? LIKE THERE'S, OR THERE'S A REALLY HIGH LEVEL EXISTING CAPACITY WITHIN THE PREVIOUS BOND.

AND THAT I THINK IS A, SOMEWHERE SHOULD BE WEIGHTED.

I THINK THAT WILL BE WEIGHTED IN MY MIND.

BUT, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, YEAH, FOR ME IT WAS JUST HOW WE GONNA, HOW WE'RE GONNA PROCESS IT HONESTLY, GIVEN THE DELIBERATION THAT WE HAD JUST ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE PROJECTS AS A, AS A FULL BODY, WE BETTER JUST START POSTING MEETINGS , BECAUSE WE'LL BE HERE FOREVER.

BUT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ALL OF THEM.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE WORKING GROUPS.

OUT OF THE WORKING GROUPS PRIOR TWICE.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT I DO THINK THAT HAVING SOME SORT OF COMMON LIST FOR THE WORKING GROUPS TO BE USING WOULD BE HELPFUL.

I MEAN, I THINK MOST OF THE WORKING GROUPS HAVE REQUESTS THAT LIKE COULD USE UP ALL OF THE BONDING CAPACITY THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD WE CAN USE.

SO HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE IN A WAY THAT THEN MAKES SENSE TO THE REST OF THE GROUP WHEN WE BRING THEM BACK, RIGHT? LIKE IF EVERY WORKING GROUP BRINGS BACK 300 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS, WHICH I THINK IN MOST GROUPS LIKE HAVE MORE THAN THAT, LIKE, OR WHATEVER, LIKE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT DOWN FURTHER.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

EVEN IF SOME OF THEM ARE NOT APPLICABLE.

LIKE I THINK THAT COULD BE OKAY TO HAVE A FEW IN THERE THAT ARE JUST LIKE, THIS IS NOT APPLICABLE QUESTION, BUT THESE WOULD BE QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD INFORM THE WORKING GROUP, BUT THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE ANALYZE THEM IS AT THE FULL BTF LEVEL.

OR AM I HEARING YOU SAY YOU'D RATHER, YOU THINK THIS ACTUALLY SHOULD I JUST THINK IF YOU, UM, IF YOU'RE TRYING, IF, IF THE WORKING GROUP WANTS TO BRING FORWARD PROJECTS THAT ARE ULTIMATELY GONNA BE ACCEPTED BY THE WHOLE GROUP, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT WE AS A GROUP ARE LOOKING FOR.

OTHERWISE WE MIGHT BRING FORWARD PROJECTS FROM TRANSPORTATION THAT WE THINK ARE GREAT.

RIGHT? BUT THEY CHECK THESE THREE BOXES OVER HERE AND THEN WE HAVE 20 OTHER BOXES THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT AND WE'VE WASTED OUR TIME AND ARE GONNA HAVE A REALLY DIFFICULT DECISION MAKING PROCESS HERE.

AND THAT'S DONALD.

UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK MAYBE THE, THE, THE FOURTH, THE FOURTH SLIDE WE HAVE UP IS JUST A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.

ANALYTICALLY.

BUT THE, THE FIRST, THE OTHER, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST ONE WITH THE LEVERAGING POTENTIAL, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ONE TO FACTOR IN, UH, INEQUITIES AND FLUSHING THAT OUT.

THAT'S, THOSE FACTORS I THINK ARE ALSO GREAT.

AND ALSO THE PUBLIC'S PRIORITY.

I THINK THE OTHER THREE, I FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DIRECTION AND I WOULD, I DEFINITELY WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THE CLIMATE ONE.

IT'S JUST, THERE'S SOME BIG CATEGORIES THAT ARE KIND OF TRICKY TO WORK THROUGH.

DEFINITELY HEARING THAT.

AND THIS IS FOR A MORE SORT OF CROSSCUTTING ACROSS THE TASK FORCE AT THIS LEVEL, A SECOND ROUND OF CRITERIA.

I JUST WANNA ECHO RICH'S POINT ABOUT ADDING SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT PREVIOUS BONDS AND COMMITMENTS.

UM, THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENTS THERE, BECAUSE I, I DEFINITELY THINK IT, IF I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER, IT WOULD COME INTO CONSIDERATION IF EVERY BOND PASSED, GOT 400 MILLION FOR, YOU KNOW, STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY GET ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK PREVIOUS COMMITMENTS AND OTHER BOND PROGRAMS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA FACTOR IN.

RACHEL STONE OR, I, I ALSO THINK THE AGREE WITH RACHEL THAT I THINK THE WORKING GROUPS CRITERIA MIGHT BE DIFFERENT AND IN SOME CASES SUBSTANTIAL.

SO I THINK YOU KIND OF NEED THAT FIRST ROUND PASS.

I MEAN, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO DO THE WORK IN THE WORKING GROUPS.

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AND SO I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WHAT WORKS FOR THE ENTIRE BTIF WOULD WORK FOR THE INDIVIDUAL WORKING GROUPS.

AND CONVERSELY, I AGREE WITH THAT RACHEL STONE.

UM, YEAH, THE, MY, UM, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE, ON THE FIRST PAGE WITH THE, WELL, YOU KNOW, CAN IT BE BUILT IN SIX YEARS? 'CAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE BUCKETS ARE PROGRAMMATIC AND THEY WILL PURPOSELY SPREAD THE MONEY OUT ACROSS YEARS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEPARTMENT IS GONNA TAKE ON A, A SIDEWALK OR A PARK PROJECT THAT, UM, LIKE IT, OR DO WE MEAN SIX YEARS WITHIN THE BOND OR DO WE MEAN JUST LIKE SIX YEARS GOING FORWARD? 'CAUSE REALLY THE QUESTION SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY BE COMMITTED WITHIN SIX YEARS.

'CAUSE SOME THINGS WILL NOT EXACTLY BE BUILT.

UM, AND, AND THAT INCLUDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT QUESTION WOULD NOT WORK FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

'CAUSE THE MONEY IS RELEASED ANNUALLY.

SO IT'S, IT WON'T, THEY WON'T ALL BE STARTED ON DAY ONE AND THEN BUILT WITHIN SIX YEARS.

SO RACHEL, YOU'RE, YOU THINK IF WE CHANGE THE WORD TO OBLIGATED FUNDS, OBLIGATED, COMMITTED, OR COMMITTED? YEAH.

I, I WOULD THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE MORE LIKE, ARE THEY PROJECT READY AND THAT THE WORKING GROUPS ARE KIND OF DETERMINING THAT ON THEIR OWN.

BECAUSE I THINK WHAT PROJECT READY MEANS FOR DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS, AGAIN, IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO, UM, I, I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE JUST A LITTLE TOO SPECIFIC AND MAYBE WE SHOULD LIKE BACK OUT AND HAVE IT BE SORT OF A BROADER GOAL AND LET THE WORKING GROUPS DETERMINE WHAT MEETS THE GOAL AND BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY DETERMINED IT.

BUT SURE, OBLIGATED ALSO WORKS.

I JUST THINK FOR SOME GROUPS OBLIGATED WOULD MEAN SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT.

LIKE IF YOU OBLIGATE THE MONEY FOR A LIBRARY ON DAY ONE AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T BUILT IT BY YEAR SIX, THAT IS A PROBLEM.

WHEREAS FOR SOME OTHER THINGS IT'S, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

SO THAT'S WHY IT CONCERNS ME.

GARY? UH, I CERTAINLY HEAR THAT ABOUT, UM, ABOUT SPECIFIC, UM, PROGRAMS OR PROJECTS, BUT I, I JUST WANNA CIRCLE THIS BACK TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS.

AND WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE ABOUT, UM, PREVIOUS BONDS WHERE THE MONEY HAS NOT BEEN, UM, THE PROJECT'S NOT BEEN DELIVERED.

AND I CERTAINLY FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THAT AND HOPEFULLY WE ALL DO AND, AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY, VERY FOCUSED ON, UM, PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS HERE THAT FIT WITHIN THIS BOND CYCLE.

NOW THERE MAY BE SOME NUANCES AROUND THAT, BUT I WANNA BE VERY FOCUSED ON PROJECT DELIVERY.

WELL WE'RE OUT OF TIME AND SO MY REQUEST TO THE GROUP WOULD BE, I WOULD, I DON'T WANNA THROW THIS OUT COMPLETELY.

I THINK WE GOT A GOOD START, BUT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD JUST REALLY ASK FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPECIFIC THOUGHTS ON THE LANGUAGE TO, TO SEND IT AND, UM, SEND IT TO US.

WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON IT.

OBVIOUSLY THE CLIMATE ONE I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS YOU DON'T LIKE, QUESTIONS, YOU LIKE HOW YOU'D REWRITE 'EM, THIS IS GREAT TIME FOR YOU TO, TO, TO HELP ME WITH THAT.

AND, AND CHAIR IT TO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SHOULD THAT BE SENT TO YOU OR SHOULD THAT BE SENT TO OUR LIAISON? LIAISON PLEASE.

UM, THE NEXT ITEM, THE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION TO PROVE THE BTF WORK PLAN IS NOT URGENT.

[7. Discussion and possible action to approve the BEATF Work Plan.]

I AM GOING, I I WOULD PUT THAT ON THE, UH, AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD, ASK ONE QUESTION OF COURSE ON THE WORK PLAN AND HAS SPECIFIC DATES OF THE WORKING GROUPS THAT WE WOULD HAVE.

DELIVERABLES IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, IS THAT JUST A FRAMEWORK YOU PUT TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO A, A HARD LINE IN TERMS OF TIMELINE? ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE, WHEN THOSE WORKING GROUPS WOULD BE PRESENTING THE ORDER.

I WAS HOPING TO GET TO THAT TODAY, BUT WE'LL TRY AGAIN IN NOVEMBER.

AND THEY ARE NOT SET IN STONE.

THE, THE MEETING DATES? YES.

WHO'S PRESENTING? NO, I DO, I DO KNOW THAT.

JUST IF YOU WANNA KEEP, MAKE, KEEP NOTE, WE ARE GONNA SLASH THE LAST MEETING ON THE BIP WORK PLAN TO BE DONE ONE, TWO WEEKS EARLIER THAN WE HAD PLANNED.