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          I'M BEN HEIM. 
          THIS IS THE 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS COMMISSION. 
          WE'RE HERE AT CITY HALL AND I DO SEE THERE IS A QUORUM PRESENT. 
          SO I WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:05 PM UH, LET ME BEGIN WITH A ROLL CALL. 
          UH, I'LL BEGIN AS, UH, CHAIR I AM PRESENT, AND I'LL CALL OUR VICE CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER ROXANNE EVANS. 
          PRESENT, UH, COMMISSIONER JEFFREY ACTON. 
          PRESENT, COMMISSIONER JAIME ALVAREZ. 
          PRESENT, COMMISSIONER HARVEY GROGAN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER KEVIN CO. 
          UH, COOK PRESENT COMMISSIONER CARL LAROCHE. 
          AND HE IS NOT HERE AT THIS POINT. 
          COMMISSIONER TREY MCW PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER JUDAH RICE, PRESENT WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          AND COMMISSIONER UCCI, I BELIEVE IS ABSENT AND WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE OUR NEW MEMBER, UH, OF THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, TONY PLEASANT WRIGHT. 
          I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO, YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND, UH, YOU MAY, YOU MAY READ YOUR, YOUR PRESENCE FOR THE RECORD PRESENT . 
          TERRIFIC. 
          AND WE WELCOME YOU VERY MUCH, UH, AND DELIGHTED TO HAVE YOU ON THE COMMISSION. 
          GLAD TO BE HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WE'LL DO WITH A HYBRID MEETING IS, UH, SOME OF OUR FOLKS WILL BE, UH, AT, UH, VIRTUAL, UH, AND SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE HERE PRESENT AND BOTH SPEAKERS PRESENT AND, UH, VIRTUAL, UH, ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE FULLY. 
          AND, UH, WE WILL ASK THE VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR SIGN IN SHEET, UH, SO THAT THAT GOES TO THE STAFF LIAISONS, UH, AS PER THE CLERK'S REQUIREMENTS. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE REST OF THE AGENDA, WE WILL BEGIN WITH PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. 
          WE'LL HEAR FROM GENERAL SPEAKERS, UH, THESE ARE FOLKS WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OR COMMENT ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED FOR DISCUSSION ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION? WE DO NOT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THE NEXT 
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THING WE CAN DO IS, UM, GO ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES WE HAVE, UH, ON OUR AGENDA ITEM ONE, THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2025. 
          AND I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          UM, CHAIR, JUST, UH, TO JUMP IN, THERE IS ONE CORRECTION FOR THE, UH, OCTOBER 1ST MINUTES. 
          UM, JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THERE'S A CORRECTION TO ITEM FOUR IN THE ATTACHED MINUTES. 
          THE CALHOUN HOUSE HISTORIC ZONING CASE, CH C 14 H 2 2 5 0 9 5. 
          IT SHOULD INCLUDE THE MOTION MAKER, VICE CHAIR ROXANNE EVANS. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT, CAN THAT BE NOTED, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED. 
          SO MOVED. 
          COMMISSIONER COOK, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER ACTON. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND AND THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, I WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND THE CONSENT AGENDA INCLUDES ITEMS THAT ARE OFFERED FOR CONSENT APPROVAL, UH, OR FOR CONSENT POSTPONEMENT, UH, DISCUSSIONS, UH, POSTPONEMENTS. 
          AND, UH, WE ALSO WILL ASK THAT ANY, UM, ITEM THAT IS POSTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ANY ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS CAN REQUEST THAT IT BE PULLED INSTEAD AND TAKEN FOR DISCUSSION. 
          UH, HOWEVER, UH, THE POINT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA IS TO BE ABLE TO EXPEDITE ITEMS THAT ARE BASICALLY WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, ALL THOSE ITEMS BECOME APPROVED WITH WHATEVER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS. 
          WE ALSO ARE ABLE TO HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT, UH, WILL BE ALLOWED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THOUGH NOT A FULL DISCUSSION. 
          IF THAT IS REQUIRED, THEN ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS MAY WISH TO GO AHEAD AND PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SO I WILL ASK AT THIS POINT FOR THE STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, THE ITEMS FOR CONSENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY, UH, STARTING WITH THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, ITEM FIVE, HR 2 0 2 5 0 0 9 9 7 1 4 FOR ONE AT 1 5 0 4 EAST 11TH STREET. 
          UM, THIS IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. 
          ITEM SIX, HR 2 0 2 5 1 1 8 2 9 2, UH, AT 1 0 8 WEST 33RD STREET. 
          THIS IS ON CONSENT, UH, ITEM SEVEN, HR 22 0 2 5 1 3 1 4 8 8 
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FOR 2 1 2 WEST 33RD STREET. 
          THIS IS ON CONSENT, UH, ITEM EIGHT IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATIONS, UH, SP 2 0 2 5 0 8 2 8 7 2. 
          HR 2 0 2 5 1 1 5 6 86 FOR 2 3 0 0 EACH E EAST SECOND STREET AND 2341 COURT STREET'S ON CONSENT. 
          UH, ITEM 12, PR 20 25 1 0 3 9 0 3 FOR 1513 MURRAY LANE. 
          THIS IS AN APPLICANT REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT. 
          ITEM 13, PR 20 25 1 0 5 8 5 7 FOR 7 0 2 WIND FLOW. 
          THIS IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. 
          ITEM 14, HR 20 25, 1 1 6 8 2 3 PR 2025. 
          1 1 4 6 5 1 FOR, UH, 1110 TRAVIS HEIGHTS BOULEVARD. 
          THIS IS ON CONSENT. 
          ITEM 15, HR 20 25 1 1 16, 7 0 1 PR 20 25 1 1 4 360 FOR 2102 KENWOOD AVENUE. 
          THIS IS ON CONSENT ITEM 17, PR 2025. 
          1 2 1 7 8 0 FOR 1105 MO STREET. 
          THIS IS AN APPLICANT REQUEST TO POSTPONEMENT. 
          ITEM 18, PR 20 25 1 2 4 9 0 8 26 0 2 WOOLDRIDGE DRIVE. 
          THIS IS FOR CONSENT PR 2025, UH, ITEM 19, PR 20 25 1 2 9 9 5 3 FOR 1811 PALM PLAZA. 
          IT'S OFFERED FOR CONSENT. 
          ITEM 20, HR 20 25, 1 3 2 0 6 5 FOR 78 RAINY STREET IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. 
          FINALLY, OUR DEMOLITION AND AND RELOCATION APPLICATIONS. 
          ITEM 22, PR 20 25, 1 1 8 1 2 8 FOR 47 0 8 AVENUE H. 
          IT'S CONSENT. 
          CONSENT ITEM 23, PR 20 25, 1 1 8 5 7 8 FOR 2002, NEW YORK AVENUE IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. 
          AND FINALLY, AS A DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM, UH, ITEM 24, APPROVAL, RECOMMENDATION FOR COMMISSION, INITIATION OF HISTORIC ZONING FOR BETHANY CEMETERY. 
          OUR CHAIR, PUT THIS BACK ON CONSENT SO YOU CAN READ THAT. 
          I READ. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, AND, UH, JUST ONE CORRECTION. 
          ITEM 16, UM, FOR 4 0 8 CONGRESS AVENUE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATIONS HAS BEEN, UH, PLACED ON CONSENT. 
          UM, THIS INCLUDES THE, THIS CONCLUDES THE READING OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, AND WHAT WE'LL DO AT THIS POINT IS WE'LL HAVE, UH, SPEAKERS, IF ANYBODY IS, UH, SIGNED UP FOR ANY OF THESE ITEMS. THEY ARE, UH, NOT REQUIRED BY THE WAY. 
          UH, SINCE IF IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE WILL TAKE ACTION WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE IS IN THE RECORD, UH, WE CERTAINLY OFFER YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO, UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE SIGNUPS AS I SEE THEM HERE, UH, I DO BELIEVE THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 15. 
          WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP IN FAVOR, UH, MS. SARAH GROSSMAN. 
          UH, MS. GROSSMAN, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK YOUR, AS I SAID, NOT REQUIRED TO, UM, CHAIR, WE'VE HAD A FEW, UH, SPEAKERS SIGN UP, UM, WHEN THEY ARRIVED HERE, SO, UM, IF, IF IT'S ALRIGHT. 
          OH, SO LET'S, LET ME, LET ME DEFER TO STAFF THEN. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY LIST IS OUT OF DATE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SO OUR FIRST, UM, ITEM IS ITEM SIX THAT HAS A SPEAKER AND THAT IS DUR DUREN DOMINGUEZ IN FAVOR. 
          AND HEY, WAVE. 
          OUR NEXT CONSENT ITEM IS ITEM 13, AND WE HAVE MIKE MCCONE IN FAVOR. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE DONNA OSBORNE IN OPPOSITION. 
          I WOULD LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE, MS. OSBORNE. 
          UH, AND WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE BEGIN BY INTRODUCING YOURSELF, UH, INTO THE MICROPHONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, I AM DONNA OSBORNE. 
          I AM, UH, ON THE ZONING COMMITTEE OF ANA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT WE, THE APPLICANT MET WITH US IN OCTOBER AND THEIR, UM, TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND THEIR PROPOSED OF, AND THEIR PROPOSAL OF DEMOLISHING 7 0 2 WIND FLOW. 
          DURING OUR DISCUSSION, WE EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AS EACH ONE PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT. 
          TOO MANY LOSSES COULD ULTIMATELY JEOPARDIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION. 
          MANY PEOPLE MOVE INTO OUR 
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NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORIC CHARM, YET OFTEN THEY, THE VERY CHARACTER THREATENED IS THREATENED WHEN CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE DEMOLISHED. 
          RATHER THAN EMBRACED AND MAINTAINED. 
          ANA DOES NOT SUPPORT OR CONDONE THE DEMOLITION OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. 
          HOWEVER, IN CASES WHERE APPLICANTS PRESENT A NEW DESIGN THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND APPROVE BY A RC, WE DO NOT OPPOSE A PROJECT. 
          IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT UNTIL WE CAN REACH A POINT WHERE THERE, WHERE WE NO LONGER OPPOSE THE PROPOSAL, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          WE CAN ONLY CONSIDER THE INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTS PROVIDED, NOT VERBAL ASSURANCES. 
          SO WE ASK FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS VOLUNTEERS WORKING TO REPRESENT THE COMMON GOOD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS AND THEIR EFFORTS TO FIND A SOLUTION. 
          WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IN REQUESTING POSTPONEMENT BY THE COMMISSION WOULD DELAY AN APPLICANT'S PROCESS. 
          WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO BEGIN THE PROCESS AS MOST APPLICANTS DO. 
          UM, POSTPONEMENTS DON'T PREVENT THEM FROM WORKING WITH THEIR CONSULTANTS TO DEVELOP THEIR DESIGN. 
          IT'S ENTIRELY THEIR CHOICE WHEN THEY FEEL READY TO BEGIN TO WORK. 
          BUT IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING AT HLC MENTIONED GETTING IN TOUCH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BACK IN AUGUST, YET WE WERE NOT EVER CONTACTED BY THE APPLICANT UNTIL A NEIGHBOR TOLD US A DEMOLITION SIGN WAS UP IN THE NE IN THE YARD. 
          UM, SO IT IS CORRECT THAT PERMITS REMAIN VALID FOR 180 DAYS, BUT IT WILL NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL THE HLC REVIEW IS COMPLETE AND THEY'RE SATISFIED WITH THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND MITIGATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK? YES, WE HAVE LAUREN MAGO IN FAVOR. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU WISH TO SPEAK? AND I BELIEVE, IS THAT ALSO JOHN HENRY? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, UH, WELCOME AND PLEASE, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MAKE SURE YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, UH, AS YOU BEGIN YOUR PRESENT, YOUR, YOUR DISCUSSION. 
          WELL I SHOULD SAY IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION, YOU YOUR COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS JOHN HENRY SWINGER AND MY WIFE LAUREN SWINGER. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, ON JUNE 19TH, I FIRST CONTACTED THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO BEGIN THIS PROCESS. 
          ON JUNE 27TH, WE REQUESTED A CURSORY REVIEW. 
          WE FOLLOWED EVERY SINGLE STEP, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. 
          UM, WE WERE ON THE AGENDA LAST MEETING. 
          UH, ANA HAD REACHED OUT TO DELAY THE PROCESS. 
          I ASKED THEM NOT TO. 
          THEY ASKED ME TO COME WITH PLANS. 
          I'VE CREATED PLANS, I MET WITH THEM IN PERSON. 
          I FOLLOWED ALL THE REQUESTS TO A T AND NOW THEY'RE OPPOSING ME. 
          AGAIN, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I WANNA FOLLOW THE PROCESS. 
          I WANNA MEET WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL COM REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD TO SPEND MONEY ON PLANS UNTIL I HAVE THIS FIRST APPROVAL. 
          I HAVE A CONTRACT THAT HAS MILESTONES AND FOR ME TO GET TO THE NEXT STEP, I NEED TO GET THIS APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND HOPE I GOT Y'ALL'S SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? THERE IS NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'LL JUST FOR CLARIFICATION'S SAKE, SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING, AS IT WAS READ EARLIER, UH, THIS IS A NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY AND IT IS UNDER OUR REVIEW AND THE DEMOLITION APPROVAL IS ON CONSENT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IF IT STAYS ON CONSENT, UH, IT WILL BE APPROVED WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          HOWEVER, UH, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL THE PLACEMENT PLANS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION. 
          SO, IN ESSENCE, UH, IT, IT IS A FIRST STEP, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY STILL ALLOWING FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS OR THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY AND MAKE SURE STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE ARE MISUNDERSTANDING THE CIRCUMSTANCES HERE. 
          OKAY? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS? UH, NOT ON THIS ITEM, BUT ON THE NEXT ITEMS. YES. 
          ON ITEM 14, WE HAVE MICKEY LER IN FAVOR, AND MR. PETER DOES NOT NEED TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          ALSO, UH, FOR 2 1 0 2 KENWOOD AVENUE. 
          ITEM 15, WE HAVE AN ONLINE SPEAKER. 
          SARAH GROSSMAN IN FAVOR. 
          OKAY, MS. GROSSMAN, WOULD YOU WISH TO SPEAK FOR YOUR ITEM, WHICH IS 
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ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'M JUST, UH, HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE HOMEOWNERS ARE ALSO THERE IN PERSON TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS? YES. 
          WE HAVE ONE OTHER SPEAKER. 
          KOJI ONO IN FAVOR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THEY'VE WAIVED THE RIDE TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          ALSO FOR THE APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT OF ITEM 17 MORAY STREET. 
          WE HAVE DONNA OSBORNE IN OPPOSITION. 
          NO NEED TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          DECLINED RIGHT TO SPEAK. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM WITH THE SPEAKER IS ITEM 19 18 11 PALMA PLAZA. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE DONNA OSBORNE IN OPPOSITION IF SHE WISHES TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          OSBORNE, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          HI, DONNA OSBORNE WITH ANA. 
          UM, WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT BRIEFLY. 
          CURRENTLY THIS HOUSE IS ON THE MARKET, UH, FOR SALE AS A REMODEL OR QUOTE, COMPLETE TEAR DOWN. 
          THERE ARE NO POTENTIAL CLIENTS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AND ANA REQUESTS A POSTPONEMENT TO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO OUR NEXT ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING TO CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FATE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          SINCE IT HAS NO, THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR IT. 
          THERE IS NO CLIENT, IT IS STRICTLY A DEMOLITION PERMIT. 
          UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IN FURTHER WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY. 
          UM, AND THIS AM, SORRY, LET, LET ME, REMIND ME AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, OKAY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE NO, LET, LET ME BACK UP. 
          I, I JUST MISSED MY PLACE ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO LET ME VERIFY THE SPEAKER. 
          WE ARE AT ITEM 19 18 11 PALMA PLAZA. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT THEN. 
          THAT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          UH, WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS FOR THAT ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM THAT HAS A SPEAKER IS ITEM 2078 RAINY STREET. 
          WE HAVE DREW RAFAEL IN FAVOR. 
          MR. FEREL DOES NOT NEED TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HE HAS WAIVED HIS RIGHT TO SPEAK OUR, AND WE HAVE NO OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE CONSENT THAT HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING PATIENT. 
          WE'RE KIND OF WORKING ON THE LOGISTICS HERE FOR THESE CONSENTS DISCUSSIONS. 
          UH, EXCUSE ME, THE DIS SPEAKING. 
          WE'RE NOT HAVING DISCUSSION, WHICH IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK. 
          UH, UM, AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO POLL AND DISCUSS? THAT IS YOUR RIGHT. 
          WE CERTAINLY HAVE THAT ABILITY. 
          OTHERWISE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS, UH, READ INTO THE RECORD. 
          SO MOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER ROCHE AND WELCOME. 
          COMMISSIONER ROCHE. 
          IS NOW ON THE DA. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER MWA. 
          UH, THIS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          AND I DO SEE ALL HANDS ARE RAISED. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME, JUST FOR THE RECORD TO NOTE A COUPLE THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, BUT I DON'T WANNA PULL, UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY ALSO TO ADD COMMENTS AS WELL. 
          UH, I WILL HOLD THE, THE VOTE, UH, AND WE WILL CERTAINLY ALLOW FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE, UH, AT THAT POINT. 
          IN FACT, I HAVE, YOU REMINDED ME, I HAD SOMETHING I WANTED TO ADD, SO PLEASE, COMMISSIONER GROGAN, ADD ADD YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UM, I THINK IT WAS ITEM NUMBER 13, UM, 17 AND 19. 
          I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THAT SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS HERE IN OPPOSITION TO SPEAK TO THOSE. 
          AND, AND I AM REALLY NEVER IN FAVOR OF DEMOLITION IN A, FOR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UM, IN A NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE VOTES HERE TODAY TO PULL IT FOR A FULL DISCUSSION, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT, THAT, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO, TO KEEP THESE STRUCTURES GOING AND TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO DISCUSS THINGS WITH, UM, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE OTHER COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO ADD? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CO. 
          UH, I AGREE 
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IT'S PARTICULARLY ON 1811 PALMER PLAZA. 
          I'M VERY MUCH ON THE BUBBLE ON THAT ONE, PARTICULARLY WITH SPECULATIVE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. 
          UH, NOT OWNERS, YOU KNOW, CHOOSING TO MAKE A PLAN FOR, FOR WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT WANTING TO SELL A PROPERTY, CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY IN HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH A DEMOLITION PERMIT ATTACHED TO IT GIVES ME SOME PAUSE, BUT, UM, THE CONTRIBUTING THE ARCHITECTURE AND PARTICULARLY THE LOCATION OF IT ON THE VERY EDGE ALONG THE FEEDER ROAD OF, UM, MOPAC LEADS ME NOT TO PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION. 
          UM, BUT I DID CONSIDER IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAYBE ON A HAPPIER NOTE, ADD A REAL COMPLIMENT TO, UH, THE FOLKS WORKING WITH THE SANTA RITA COURTS. 
          UH, I THOUGHT THAT THE, UH, SENSITIVITY OF THE NEW ADDITION AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE EXISTING, UH, FABRIC WAS BEING ABLE TO BE REHABILITATED WAS, UH, REALLY WELL DONE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE ONE, THE ONE THING WHEN WE GO ON CONSENT, WE HAVE A GOOD PROJECT, IS WE DON'T ALL GET TO SEE IT. 
          IT TAKE, UH, A, A BIT OF A VICTORY LAP. 
          BUT I, I REALLY HAVE TO SAY THAT IS A RATHER SIGNIFICANT PROJECT. 
          IT WILL BE WELL, UH, UH, SUITED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILL CARRY ON AN IMPORTANT TRADITION IN THAT AREA. 
          SO MY COMPLIMENTS, UH, I HAVE A VERY SMALL DETAIL, BUT I THINK ONE THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. 
          THE, UH, PROPERTY AT 4 0 8 CONGRESS AVENUE, OF COURSE, UH, HAS BEEN MODIFIED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE YEARS. 
          THE MAIN FACADE IS COMPLETELY NEW. 
          HOWEVER, THERE IS THAT SIDE WALL WITH THE ARCH IN IT, AND THAT IS ORIGINAL FABRIC. 
          AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE, UH, NOT DISCUSSION THE OWNER, UH, NO, I'M JUST SAYING WHEN THEY COME BACK 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO REVIEW THEIR PLANS, BUT IT, IT'S A DISCUSSION, RIGHT? NO, NO. 
          WE EDITED CONSENT. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          YEP. 
          NO, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS A DISCUSSION AND THEN THEY ADDRESS THE QUESTION FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THEIR PLANS. 
          I'M ENCOURAGING THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO MAINTAIN THAT ONE SLIVER. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UH, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A HISTORIC WORTHY OF ONE WALL HISTORIC DESIGNATION, BUT IT SHOULD BE COOL TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE THAT. 
          AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR PLANS AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET CREATIVE THAT WAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. 
          ALRIGHT, PLEASURE. 
          THAT SENTIMENT. 
          UH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER RICE. 
          OH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD ECHO THAT SENTIMENT ON, UH, THAT CONGRESS AVENUE CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT COMES. 
          SO, ALRIGHT. 
          UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE WE NOW CALL THE QUESTION? UM, IF I MAY JUMP IN VERY QUICKLY HERE. 
          CHAIR, UM, ON THESE DISCUSSIONS, DO THE COMMISSIONERS WHO SPOKE UP WANT TO, UH, SHOW THEMSELVES AS VOTING NO ON THE ITEMS THAT THEY SPOKE UP TO? OKAY. 
          SO LONG AS WE HAVE A QUORUM VOTE, I BELIEVE THAT IS THAT THEY CAN REGISTER THEMSELVES THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          STAFF, YOU'LL KEEP US, KEEP US APPRISED IN CASE WE WIND UP LOSING QUORUM ON ANY OF THOSE VOTES. 
          I BELIEVE VICE CHAIR EVANS WISHES TO SPEAK. 
          COMMISSIONER EVANS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY RELATED TO ITEM 24 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THAT I'M PLEASED THAT, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONER COOK AND MYSELF ARE ABLE TO GET THIS BACK ON TRACK TO INITIATE, UH, HISTORIC ZONING FOR THE BETHANY CEMETERY, VICE CHAIR EVANS, THANK YOU AGAIN ALSO FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THAT. 
          AND YEAH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE LONG OVERDUE , SO I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THAT ON OUR, OUR CO UPCOMING AGENDA. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, UH, NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN THE VOTE. 
          UH, WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          AND I SHOW ALL HANDS RAISED. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, PASSED THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ALL THOSE ITEMS ARE AS MENTIONED, APPROVED AS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND OR THE ONE POSTPONEMENT ITEM AS WELL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN NOW READY FOR THE FIRST OF OUR, UH, PRESENTATIONS. 
          WE'LL BE HAVING, UH, STAFF BRIEFINGS. 
          THE FIRST STAFF BRIEFING WILL BE REGARDING THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION, UH, GRANT, LAUNCH CHAIR. 
          I MAY JUMP IN. 
          WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT AS WELL. 
          UM, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WE'LL HOLD ON THE STAFF BRIEFINGS THEN, AND WE'LL PICK THAT UP. 
          UH, PLEASE, UH, BE QUIET AS WE, AS WE LEAVE. 
          WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CONTINUE THE MEETING. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YES. 
          SO WE HAVE ONE 
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DISCUSSION, POSTPONEMENT TONIGHT. 
          UH, ITEM NUMBER 21, UH, PR DASH 2025 DASH 12 9 41 AT 28 21. 
          SO STREET. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND NOW JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A POSTPONEMENT THAT IS NOT AGREED TO BY THE OWNER. 
          WE HAVE THE RIGHT AND 
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THE ABILITY, IF WE WANT COMMISSIONERS TO POSTPONE THIS OR HEAR IT TONIGHT. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT OR ANY OPPONENTS IS STRICTLY ABOUT THE POSTPONEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          WE'RE NOT HERE AT THIS EARLY STAGE RIGHT NOW TO HEAR THE CASE. 
          IF IT'S POSTPONED, WE WILL HEAR THE CASE AT A LATER DATE. 
          IF IT IS NOT POSTPONED, IT WILL COME UP LATER ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, NOW DO WE HAVE THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING THE POSTPONEMENT? WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          SO HOW IS IT THAT IT IS A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT? SO DOES THAT MEAN, IS THE OWNER HERE AND IS THE OWNER, UH, AGREED TO A POSTPONEMENT OR IS THE OWNER REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT? HELP CLARIFY, PLEASE. 
          YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE PULLED THIS FOR, UH, DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT, UM, I'M SORRY. 
          ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, DID ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO HAVE THIS POSTPONED EVEN IF THE OWNER'S? NOT NECESSARILY. 
          I, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU, YOURSELF, CHAIR THAT, UH, PULLED THIS FOR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I GOT IT. 
          SO BECAUSE OF A LETTER FROM A NEIGHBOR. 
          I, I SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NOW I'M, I'M HAVING TO REMEMBER THE CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO WE DID HAVE A REQUEST FROM, UH, NEIGHBORS ABOUT HAVING TIME TO, UH, ENGAGE WITH THE OWNER ON THIS. 
          UH, I GUESS, HAS THE OWNER BEEN, UH, ASKED IF THEY WOULD ACCEPT A POSTPONEMENT AND YOU WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE A POSTPONEMENT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO PLEASE FOR THE RECORD, IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND LET US KNOW YOUR, UH, UH, OBJECTION. 
          BRIAN COPELAND. 
          AND, UH, I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR, UH, THE ENTITY THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY, AND I PREFER TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE VOTE ON THIS. 
          NOBODY'S REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT THIS. 
          UH, FIRST I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS IN A VERY DILAPIDATED, DANGEROUS STATE RIGHT NOW, UH, SITTING EMPTY. 
          AND, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND, UH, HAVE THE CASE, UH, AS IT COMES UP ON OUR AGENDA, AND THEN WE COULD MAKE A DETERMINATION STILL TO POSTPONE IT, IF THAT IS YOUR, IF THAT IS YOUR WISH. 
          OR WE COULD JUST GO AND POSTPONE IT NOW. 
          I WOULD MOVE. 
          NO, I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE TO HEAR THE CASE THIS EVENING. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE POSTPONEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN IF, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE OR IS ANY, WOULD ANYBODY PREFER TO JUST POSTPONE IT NOW? I WOULD MAKE AN ALTERNATE MOTION TO POSTPONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COOK TO POSTPONE TILL OUR DECEMBER MEETING. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? AND IF I MAY JUMP IN HERE, CHAIR, THIS CAN ALSO BE MOVED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA IF, IF THAT IS WISHED. 
          WELL, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT, SO WE'LL HAVE A MOTION IF THERE'S A SECOND. 
          NOW I'M SUPER CONFUSED. 
          , WE WE'RE PAST CONSENT AT THIS POINT. 
          WE'RE, WE, WE'RE ON THE CASE. 
          CASE IS DISCUSS. 
          COMMISSIONER TOOK MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE, WERE THE OWNER'S PRESENT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE POSTPONEMENT. 
          THAT'S ALL WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. 
          JUST WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT, OH, THAT'S, THAT WE WE'RE DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT TO POSTPONE IT OR WHETHER WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. 
          WELL, THEN I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND SECOND COMMISSIONER COOKS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE DECEMBER MEETING, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK, YOU MAY, UH, DISCUSS THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. 
          YEAH, AND JUST SPEAKING TO THE POSTPONE, WHAT WE DO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, WHO IS INTERESTED AND WITHOUT THEM PRESENT AT THIS MEETING, I WOULD THINK A, A HEARING NOW WOULD, UM, NOT BE BEST USE OF EVERYONE'S TIME. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND MAYBE COME TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK AND, OR COME BACK, UH, NEXT MONTH WITH, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE SETTLED IDEA, UM, AND AN IDEA AND EVERYONE INVOLVED, AWARE AND PRESENT AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS IN THE HEARING. 
          COMMISSIONER, I APOLOGIZE TO JUMP IN HERE AGAIN. 
          UH, THERE'S A STAFF NOTE. 
          THE AGENDA FOR THE NUMBER NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS BEEN POSTED ALREADY TO ACCO TO ACCOMMODATE THE NOVEMBER 11TH VETERANS DAY HOLIDAY. 
          THEREFORE, ANY REFERRALS TO THAT COMMITTEE FOR THIS FROM THIS MEETING WILL BE PULLED FOR THE DECEMBER 10TH, UM, A RC MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT STILL WOULD BE WITHIN OUR TIMEFRAME FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
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CAN, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? UH, WELL, WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION. 
          WE, WE ARE ALWAYS, UH, ABLE, AT THIS POINT. 
          THERE'S NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION, BUT WE CAN ANS ASK HER ANYBODY QUESTIONS? UH, SO COMMISSIONER LA ROCHE? WELL, NO, AFTER SOMEWHAT CLARIFYING WHAT THE ACTUAL CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT, MY APOLOGIES TO COMMISSIONER COOK. 
          I, I AM STILL CURIOUS ABOUT HOW WE CAN RETROACTIVELY APPROVE ON CONSENT WHEN, UH, LET ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN CLARIFY. 
          UM, WE FINISHED THE CONSENT ITEMS SURE. 
          THAT INCLUDED ANYTHING THAT NOBODY HAS ANY CONTROVERSY ABOUT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT ALREADY IS BECAUSE AN OWNER IS NOT IN AGREEMENT. 
          SO WE ARE, WE ARE PAST ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH CONSENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE COULD RETROACTIVELY JUST PUT IT BACK ON IF WE WANTED TO, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE CONFUSION. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE JUST STAY WITH THE MOTION AS, AS, AS DISCUSSED. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THE RULES, THE PROCESS AS MURKY AS THAT MAY BE. 
          SO DO YOU WANT TO, UH, DISCUSS YOUR SECOND? NO, I, THAT WAS MY INITIAL COMMENT. 
          IT WAS, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE POSTPONEMENT. 
          I, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS PRESENT TO HAVE A, A FULLY VETTED CONVERSATION AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A, A MEETING PRE COMING UP BACK ON THE AGENDA IN DECEMBER. 
          SO I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE GIVE THAT OP THAT TIME TO ALL PARTIES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? SEE, GIVEN THE CONFUSION, I WOULD ASK IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANY MORE COMMENTS RELATED DIRECTLY TO THE POSTPONEMENT. 
          YES. 
          UH, I'M HERE. 
          I'M PRESENT THE MEETING, IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NEVER REACHED OUT TO ME. 
          IF THEY WANNA DISCUSS ANYTHING, THEY HAD A VERY LONG TIME TO CONTACT ME. 
          SO I'M HERE. 
          THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THE HOME, UH, TO BE APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION. 
          UM, THERE'S NO HISTORICAL VALUE TO IT, AND I WOULD ASK EACH OF YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A STAKE, THEY SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT OR, OR SHOWN UP. 
          WELL, LET, LET ME ADD MY COMMENT. 
          UH, AND THIS HAS ENTIRELY JUST TO DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR BACKUP. 
          UH, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE THE IMAGES THAT I SEE DON'T SEE, UH, ENOUGH INFORMATION TO WARRANT THAT IT IS, UH, OF NO VALUE OR THAT IT IS, UH, DILAPIDATED. 
          AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF THIS MOTION PASSES, TO USE THE SUBSEQUENT TIME, UH, TO PROVIDE US, UH, MORE DETAILED INFORMATION IF IN FACT THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION OR THE BEST OPTION IN YOUR OPINION IS THE DEMOLITION. 
          UH, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE A CASE FOR WHY THE BACKUP DOESN'T MAKE THAT CASE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN NOT ONLY HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORS, UH, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MOTION TO DISCUSS, UH, TO POSTPONE, THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, WE HAVE AN OWNER WHO WOULD PREFER NOT TO, BUT, UH, WE ALSO HAVE STATED SOME REASONS WHY WE MAY WANT TO, AND THERE IS A MOTION TO POSTPONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION TO POSTPONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          I SEE VICE CHAIR EVANS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. 
          THE MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL SEE YOU AT OUR DECEMBER MEETING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO BE SHOWN, I'D JUST LIKE TO BE SHOWN ABSTAINING ON THAT VOTE. 
          OKAY, THEN, UH, I DIDN'T CALL THOSE IN A, IN OPPOSITION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I PROBABLY SHOULD DO THAT. 
          UH, THOSE WERE THE SEVEN IN FAVOR. 
          UH, ALL THOSE OPPOSED PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WARD AND ALL THOSE ABSTAINING. 
          OH YEAH, MS. ABSTAINING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN COMMISSIONER ALVAREZ, WERE YOU IN FAVOR? OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, NOW WE WE'RE ON TO 
          [2. Staff briefing regarding Heritage Preservation Grant Launch. Presentation by Kristina Koufos,  Project Coordinator, Heritage Tourism Division, Austin Arts, Culture, Music and  Entertainment.]
THE STAFF BRIEFINGS AND THE FIRST ONE IS A STAFF BRIEF BEING REGARDING THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT LAUNCH. 
          UH, AND WE WILL BE HEARING FROM, UH, MS. CHRISTINA, UH, KAFU. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME'S CHRISTINA KUFA. 
          SHE, HER PROJECT COORDINATOR IN THE FUNDING PROGRAMS FOR AUSTIN'S ARTS CULTURE OF MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT OR ACME. 
          I AM HERE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT, WHICH IS MADE POSSIBLE BY HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE. 
          ACME IS A NEW CITY OF AUSTIN DEPARTMENT ESTABLISHED IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR THAT SERVES AS A CENTRAL HUB FOR 
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AUSTIN'S CREATIVE SECTOR. 
          IT SERVES TO STREAMLINE COORDINATION, IMPROVE COMMUNITY ACCESS, AND AMPLIFY THE IMPACT OF CITYWIDE CULTURAL INITIATIVES. 
          ACME PROVIDES FUNDING AND INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT, MANAGES EVENT PERMITTING AND CONNECTS CREATORS TO VENUES, INCLUDING MUSEUMS, GALLERIES, CULTURAL CENTERS, AND PERFORMANCE SPACES. 
          IN SPRING AND SUMMER OF THIS YEAR, 2025, PHASE ONE OF THE CREATIVE RESET INITIATIVE GATHERED COMMUNITY INPUT TO IMPROVE FUNDING PROGRAMS. INSIGHTS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE CREATIVE RESET DASHBOARD. 
          THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT AIMS TO PRESERVE AND PROMOTE PRESERVATION PROJECTS, EXPAND ACCESS TO HISTORIC SPACES AND HERITAGE RESOURCES, SHOWCASE LOCAL STORIES ROOTED IN HISTORY, AND SUPPORT THE CREATIVE ECONOMY TO ATTRACT AND EXPAND AUDIENCES AND ENGAGED TOURISTS SEEKING AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCES. 
          FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH HOTEL OCCUPANCY. 
          TAX REVENUE. 
          THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THE FUNDING TO BE USED FOR HISTORICAL RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION PROJECTS OR ACTIVITIES TO ENCOURAGE TOURISTS AND CONVENTION DELEGATES TO VISIT PRESERVED HISTORIC SITES. 
          IT ALSO REQUIRES THE GRANTS TO BE AWARDED TO PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER IN THE VICINITY OF THE CONVENTION CENTER OR IN A LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY, LIKELY TO BE VISITED BY TOURISTS. 
          ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS INCLUDE 5 0 1 C3 NON-PROFITS AND FOR-PROFIT BUSINESSES THAT HAVE OPERATED FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS IN THE AUSTIN ROUND ROCK METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA. 
          MSA APPLICANTS WHO OWN OR LEASE HISTORIC DESIGNATED PROPERTIES MAY APPLY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 
          ALL PROPOSED PROJECT SITES MUST BE NON-RESIDENTIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN AUSTIN, OR ITS ETJ AND OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE TO TOURISTS AND THE PUBLIC. 
          SO DUE TO THE SOURCE OF THE FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM, PROPOSED PROJECTS MUST BE PROMOTED TO AUSTIN RESIDENTS, VISITORS AND TOURISTS IN AN EFFORT TO ATTRACT TOURIST CONVENTION DELEGATES AND LOCAL AUDIENCES TO HISTORIC SITES AND MUSEUMS. PRESERVATION PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS MUST HIGHLIGHT STORYTELLING AND INVITE TOURISTS TO EXPLORE HISTORIC SITES. 
          THE PROGRAM FUNDS PROJECT COSTS WITH NO FINANCIAL MATCH FROM APPLICANTS HERITAGE EVENTS SUPPORT, PLACE-BASED TOURISM PROJECTS THAT HIGHLIGHT A LOCATION'S HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND EXPLAIN HOW THE PROJECT PROMOTES TOURISM AND LOCAL HISTORY. 
          HERITAGE EVENT APPLICANTS PROPOSING A HERITAGE EVENT AT A HISTORIC SITE WITH OR WITHOUT A HISTORIC DESIGNATION MAY REQUEST UP TO $50,000 WITH A 12 MONTH GRANT. 
          TERM PROJECTS MUST INCLUDE HISTORIC RESEARCH, DEVELOP A TOURISM ITINERARY, AND EXPLAIN HOW THE PROJECT PROMOTES TOURISM AND UNCOVERS UNTOLD STORIES. 
          HERITAGE EVENT APPLICANTS AT A HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED SITE DISTRICT OR CITY COUNCIL HERITAGE DISTRICT MAY REQUEST UP TO $150,000 FOR A 12 MONTH GRANT. 
          TERM ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES INCLUDE HERITAGE EVENTS, FESTIVALS, EXHIBITS, TOURS, AND PROGRAMS THAT HIGHLIGHT LOCAL HISTORY AND STORYTELLING, CONNECT CONNECT COMMUNITIES AND ENGAGE RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS. 
          PROPOSALS ON CITY OWNED, UM, CITY OWNED LAND MUST BE APPROVED BY THE MANAGING DEPARTMENT APPLICANT. 
          SUBMITTING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AT A HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED SITE OR A SITE ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION MAY REQUEST UP TO $250,000 WITH A 24 MONTH GRANT. 
          TERM. 
          ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES INC INCLUDE FOUNDATION STABILIZATION, MASONRY REPAIR, PROFESSIONAL PRESERVATION SERVICES, AND MORE NEW ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES INCLUDE INTERIOR, ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL FLOORING, AND SAFETY UPGRADES. 
          PROPOSALS ON CITY OWNED LAND MUST BE APPROVED BY THE MANAGING DEPARTMENT. 
          SOME ADDITIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT REQUIREMENTS INCLUDE SITES MUST HAVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, BE IT CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR BE ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AND DESIGNATIONS MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE GRANT AGREEMENT. 
          TERM OWNER AUTHORIZATION MUST BE OBTAINED. 
          PROPOSALS MUST INCLUDE ONE COMPLETE BID PACKAGE AND THE SCOPE OF WORK MUST COMPLY WITH NATIONAL OR LOCAL PRESERVATION STANDARDS. 
          INTERIOR PROJECTS MUST INCLUDE A SENSITIVE TREATMENT PLAN THAT PRESERVES SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC FEATURES AND MINIMIZES PHYSICAL AND VISUAL IMPACT FOLLOWING THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND MUST BE PREPARED, MUST 
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BE PAIRED WITH AN EXTERIOR PROJECT PROPOSAL. 
          ALL PROJECTS MUST COMPLY WITH NATIONAL AND OR LOCAL PRESERVATION STANDARDS. 
          PROPOSALS MUST INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM AN ARCHITECT BASED ON PRESERVATION STANDARDS AND IF AWARDED PROJECTS REQUIRE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND OR HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION FOLLOWING A PRELIMINARY REVIEW BY THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          GRANT ELIGIBLE EXPENSES INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO SOME OF THE FOLLOWING, MARKETING AND ADVERTISING PERMITS, PRODUCTION FEES AND MORE. 
          ALL EXPENSES MUST BE RELATED TO THE GRANT FUNDED ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PROMOTED TO TOURISTS. 
          SO DUE TO RESTRICTIONS ON THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS PROGRAM, INELIGIBLE PROJECT COSTS INCLUDE, BUT ARE, ARE NOT LIMITED TO SOME OF THE FOLLOWING CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT DO NOT MEET THE NATIONAL OR LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          CONSULTANTS WHO ARE ALSO EMPLOYEES CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY OWNER AUTHORIZATION, FUNDRAISERS, TAXES, AND MORE, YOU CAN SEE THE GRANT GUIDELINES FOR ADDITIONAL DETAILS. 
          THE APPLICATION INCLUDES AN INTRODUCTION STATEMENT, WHICH ALLOWS APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT OR WORK ALONG WITH NARRATIVE AND MULTIPLE CHOICE QUESTIONS. 
          APPLICANTS MUST COMPLETE A BUDGET TABLE AND UPLOAD SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. 
          ONLY ONE APPLICANT APPLICATION PER APPLICANT WILL BE CONSIDERED AFTER THE DEADLINE. 
          APPLICATIONS UNDERGO AN INTERDEPARTMENTAL REVIEW, THEN AN EXTERNAL PANEL REVIEW WHERE THEY ARE EVALUATED AND SCORED PANELS USE OLYMPIC STYLE SCORING WHERE THE HIGHEST AND LOWEST SCORES ARE DROPPED AND THE REMAINING SCORES ARE AVERAGED. 
          THIS APPROACH HELPS REDUCE THE IMPACT OF OUTLIERS AND ENSURES FAIRNESS. 
          SO THIS YEAR WE'VE INTRODUCED A STREAMLINED THREE-STEP APPLICATION PROCESS TO REDUCE DUPLICATE DATA ENTRY FOR APPLICANTS BETWEEN MULTIPLE FORMS. STEP ONE IS COMPLETING THE INTAKE FORM, WHICH COLLECTS YOUR INFORMATION AS A LEAD APPLICANT. 
          STEP TWO, COMPLETE THE ELIGIBILITY FORM. 
          THIS LETS OUR STAFF CONFIRM THAT YOU MEET THE BASIC ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. 
          STEP THREE, ONCE ELIGIBILITY IS CONFIRMED, APPLICANTS WILL GAIN ACCESS TO THE FULL APPLICATION TO SUBMIT THE PROPOSAL. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DEADLINES STEP ONE AND TWO MUST BE COMPLETED BY 6:59 PM CENTRAL STANDARD TIME ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 4TH, 2025. 
          APPLICANTS WHO ARE DEEMED ELIGIBLE WILL THEN HAVE UNTIL 6:59 PM CENTRAL STANDARD TIME ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 11TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          TO SUBMIT THEIR FULL APPLICATION, VISIT AUSTIN TEXAS.GOV/ACME/GRANTS-FUNDING TO ACCESS GUIDELINES FOR ALL ACME PROGRAMS. REGISTER FOR WORKSHOPS OR REQUEST SUPPORT WORKSHOPS AND OPEN OFFICE HOURS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH DECEMBER AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT OR ONE-ON-ONE APPOINTMENTS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE. 
          ADDITIONAL RESOURCES INCLUDE GRANT CHECKLIST, HISTORIC RESEARCH GUIDES AND FILLABLE APPLICATIONS, PDFS AND ENGLISH SPANISH SIMPLIFIED CHINESE, VIETNAMESE, AND KOREAN INTERPRETATION AND TRANSLATION SUPPORT IS ALSO AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST. 
          AND, UM, DUE TO THE TIME LIMITS, UH, FUTURE BRIEFINGS WILL INCLUDE UPDATES FOR THE CURRENT HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT PROJECTS. 
          SO THAT CONCLUDES MY BRIEFING. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I KNOW THIS BRIEFING WAS TO ENCOURAGE APPLICATIONS, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THIS IS, THESE GRANTS ARE FUNDED BY THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND SO THIS IS TAKING MONEY FROM HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES, WHICH ARE, WE ARE REINVESTING IN THE REASONS AND THE PLACES AND THE EVENTS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND KEEP OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY UP AND INCREASE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS IS KIND OF THE BEST, I THINK APP, ONE OF THE BEST APPLICATIONS OF PRESERVATION THAT EVERYONE CAN GET ON BOARD WITH. 
          SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, WE DO HAVE THREE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT DID ALSO LAUNCH, UM, IN OUR OCTOBER 21ST, UM, CREATIVE SPACE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. 
          AUSTIN LIVE MUSIC FUND AND ELEVATE ARE THE THREE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT HAVE LAUNCHED. 
          SO THERE'S FOUR PROGRAMS, FUNDING PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. 
          ALL, UM, THREE OF THEM ARE FUNDED THROUGH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND QUICKLY, THIS IS NOW THE RELAUNCH. 
          WILL WE CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, A SIX MONTH FUNDING CYCLE OR, OR, OR APPLICATION 
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CYCLE OR HOW, HOW WILL THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT WORK? UH, ON A REGULAR BASIS? THE PROGRAM IS, UH, UM, LAUNCHED YEARLY, SO ANNUALLY AND, UM, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, THE GRANT AGREEMENT TERMS EVERY TWO YEARS. 
          AND THEN THE HERITAGE EVENTS IS ONE YEAR, BUT IT IS LAUNCHED ANNUALLY. 
          SO IF, IF SOMEONE IS WATCHING THIS AND IS THINKING THAT THEY HAVE A PROJECT THAT MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE, BUT WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S NOT PACKAGED AND READY TO GO, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM THEN TO GET READY AND PREPARE FOR WHAT WOULD THEN BECOME THE 2026 CYCLE. 
          IS THAT THE WAY THIS WILL GO? YES, THEY CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO ME. 
          UM, WE HAVE ONE-ON-ONES AVAILABLE WORKSHOPS, VIRTUAL OPEN OFFICE HOURS. 
          UM, I CAN WORK WITH THEM TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT ON THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND WE WILL THEN ALSO LAUNCH NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, SO IF THEY'RE NOT READY THIS CYCLE, THEY CAN PREPARE THEMSELVES TO BE READY FOR NEXT CYCLE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LA ROCHE. 
          IT IS IN JULY, BY THE WAY, NEXT YEAR. 
          ONE QUESTION I HAVE THAT MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME WITH A LITTLE BIT IS WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CRITERION THAT YOU'VE LAID OUT THAT IS EVALUATED, AND I THINK MOST PRESERVATIONISTS WOULD UNDERSTAND IT, BUT MAYBE NOT HOW YOU EVALUATE TOURISM IMPACT. 
          AND MAYBE IF YOU COULD EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          BE HELPFUL. 
          COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? SORRY. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          TOURISM IMPACT IS ONE OF THE EVALUATION CRITERION. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          CAN CAN YOU EXPAND ON HOW THAT'S EVALUATED? LIKE WHAT, WHAT GOES INTO THAT EVALUATION THAT, THAT AN APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO FURTHER BUTTRESS THEIR APPLICATION WOULD NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF? SURE. 
          THE TOURISM IMPACT IS, IS AND PRESERVATION IMPACT ARE TWO OF THE HIGHEST SCORING, UM, CRITERIA IN THE GRANT APPLICATION. 
          AND FOR TOURISM IMPACT, WE ARE LOOKING AT PAST, UM, MARKETING EFFORTS AND PAST TOURISM EFFORTS AND THE APPLICATION. 
          UM, AND THEN IF AWARDED APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO POST ON VISIT AUSTIN, UM, IN ADDITION, UH, TAKE, UM, TWO TOURISM MARKETING CLASSES BY THE END OF THEIR GRANT TERM, UM, AND ALSO, UM, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS AS TO HOW THEY'RE MARKETING THEIR SITE, UM, OR THEIR EVENT IF IT'S AN EVENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          YEAH, MY PLEASURE. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER, GO AHEAD. 
          YEP. 
          UM, AND WHEN, AND WHEN YOU MENTIONED THOSE, THOSE MARKETING, UM, CLASSES, IS THAT JUST SORT OF SIMILAR TO OTHER CITY TRAININGS THAT, THAT LIKE WE TAKE THROUGH FOR, TO JOIN THE COMMISSION FOR INSTANCE? OR IS THERE, LIKE, IS THAT A CITY, UH, IS THAT LIKE A CITY COURSE OR IS THAT, UH, THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS LAURA ODEGAARD AND I'M ACTUALLY THE, UM, ACTING DIVISION MANAGER FOR ALL FUNDING PROGRAMS. WE JUST HAD A REALIGNMENT WITHIN ACME'S DEPARTMENT, AND SO WE'RE PUTTING ALL OF THE CULTURAL ARTS FUND GRANTS, THE LIVE MUSIC FUND GRANTS, THE HERITAGE GRANTS THAT CHRISTINA JUST SPOKE TO YOU ALL ABOUT. 
          WE'RE PUTTING THOSE ALL IN THE SAME, UM, BODY OF WORK IN THE SAME DIVISION. 
          SO WE CAN TRY TO OPTIMIZE SERVICES FOR THE COMMUNITY, BE ABLE TO SHARE TOURISM IMPACT NUMBERS BETTER ACROSS THE FUNDS. 
          UM, BECAUSE BEFORE, PREVIOUSLY, SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW THIS, IT WAS SPREAD ACROSS THREE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS, UM, AND SOMETIMES ACROSS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT, UM, WHAT THE MARKETING CLASSES ARE FOR ALL OF OUR AWARDEES, UM, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH MILES PARTNERSHIP AND THERE ARE SIX, UM, TRAINING MODULES THAT WE SHARE WITH ALL OF OUR AWARDEES ACROSS ALL PROGRAMS. AND THEY'RE CONTRACTUALLY REQUIRED TO TAKE TWO OF THOSE. 
          THEY CAN TAKE ALL SIX IF THEY'RE INTERESTED. 
          UM, AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE COURSES CHANGE EVERY CYCLE. 
          SO IF YOU ARE A REPEAT GRANTEE, THERE ARE NEW THINGS TO BE LEARNING. 
          UM, BUT IT IS NOT A TRAINING THAT IS DONE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONTRACTED OUT AND WE, WE REVIEW THE CURRICULUM, UM, AND IT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO, TO KIND OF LEAN INTO ANY TIME DURING THE PROCESS OF THEIR APPLICATION AND THEN AWARDEE CYCLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IT COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? WE THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE, THE RELAUNCH. 
          UH, WE KNOW THAT THAT RESETS TAKING A LOT OF WORK, UH, BUT I THINK THAT IN THE LONG RUN, NOT ONLY WILL WE BENEFIT 
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FROM MORE APPLICANTS AND A PROBABLY AN EASE IN THE WAY THAT THE APPLICATION POOL THEN COULD BE EXPANDED, BUT, UH, WE'RE ALSO VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THE IDEA OF TELLING OUR STORY INTEGRAL TO THE WAY THE CITY INTERACTS WITH EACH, WITH THE GRANTEES. 
          AND WE ARE TRYING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THOSE STORIES ARE HEARD AND INCLUDING A TIME ON OUR AGENDA WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, TO HEAR SOME OF THOSE SUCCESSES. 
          SO WE'RE GREAT TO BE AT THE BEGINNING OF A, OF A NEW RESET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A SECOND 
          [3. Staff briefing regarding updates to the Equity-Based Preservation Plan progress dashboard.  Presentation by Cara Bertron, Program Manager II, Historic Preservation Office, Austin  Planning. ]
STAFF BRIEFING. 
          UH, THIS ONE IS REGARDING THE UPDATES TO THE EQUITY-BASED PRESERVATION PLAN, AND I WILL CALL ON, UH, STAFF MEMBER KARA BERTRAN. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          KARA BERTRAN, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE. 
          HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH Y'ALL TONIGHT. 
          UM, THIS BRIEFING COMES AT THE REQUEST OF THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE, SO YOU CAN THANK YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL WERE AWARE OF THE, UM, EXCITING UPDATES TO THE, UH, PRESERVATION PLAN, PROGRESS DASHBOARD AND PROGRESS TRACKER. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA WALK THROUGH, UM, THOSE WEBSITES VERY BRIEFLY. 
          UM, AND I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THE TIME COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO EXPLORE THEM FURTHER. 
          UH, THEY WILL BE UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          UM, AND I THINK HOPEFULLY THIS WILL LOOK FAMILIAR TO SOME OF YOU. 
          THIS JUST GOES INTO, UH, SOME PREVIOUS SCREENSHOTS WITH MORE DEPTH. 
          SO I WILL BE WALKING THROUGH A SERIES OF SCREENSHOTS OF THE WEBSITE IF YOU WANNA FOLLOW ALONG IN A MORE DYNAMIC WAY. 
          THERE'S A QR CODE AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A SHORT LINK. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO, TO DO THAT FIRST WE'LL LOOK AT THE PROGRESS DASHBOARD. 
          SO, UM, IN BRIEF, THE DASHBOARDS INTENDED TO BE A REALLY ACCESSIBLE SUMMARY OF, OF THE PLAN ITSELF AND WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH IT. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT INCLUDES SOME SUMMARY METRICS. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO REALLY DIG INTO DETAILS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO, BUT WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE DASHBOARD WILL LOOK AT THE HOMEPAGE AND THEN MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES. 
          BUT THERE IS THE ABILITY TO REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS IF, IF FOLKS WANT TO. 
          UM, THERE'S SOME FUN VIDEOS AND OUR PLAN IS TO UPDATE THE TEXT ON THE DASHBOARD ANNUALLY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S FOR ALL 107 RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO IT'S NOT A SMALL TIME COMMITMENT TO, TO DO THAT. 
          SO HERE'S THE, THE HOMEPAGE OF THE PROGRESS DASHBOARD. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE IT GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THE PLAN. 
          IT'S POSSIBLE TO DOWNLOAD THE PLAN. 
          UM, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE, YOUR AUSTIN LANDMARK SERIES, WHICH I HOPE Y'ALL HAVE SEEN, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T, I HOPE YOU CHECK THEM OUT. 
          WE HAVE TWO UP AND WE'LL BE, UM, RELEASING A THIRD ONE IN DECEMBER. 
          IF YOU, THIS IS JUST SCROLLING DOWN ON THAT PAGE. 
          UM, THERE ARE THESE THREE SECTIONS THAT, THAT SUMMARIZE THE THREE SECTIONS OF THE PLAN, AND IF YOU MOUSE OVER THEM, IT SHOWS THE GOALS THAT ARE IN EACH SECTION. 
          SO REALLY TRYING TO BE USER FRIENDLY HERE. 
          UH, IF YOU SCROLLED DOWN A LITTLE MORE, THERE IS A, UM, CHART THAT SHOWS THE PROPORTION OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, WHAT'S COMING UP AND WHAT WE, WE, WHAT'S STILL KIND OF IN THE, IN THE MID TO DISTANT FUTURE. 
          SO UNDERWAY STARTING SOON, NOT YET STARTED. 
          UM, IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING ALONG ON, UH, LIVE ON, ON A COMPUTER OR YOUR PHONE, UM, THIS MAY BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUE JUST UPDATED THE DASHBOARD YESTERDAY AFTER I HAD TAKEN THESE SCREENSHOTS. 
          SO YOU MAY SEE ACTUALLY MORE INFORMATION, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND MORE INFORMATION THAN, THAN IS IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, SO SCROLLING DOWN ON THE HOMEPAGE, THERE'S A SECTION ON WHY PRESERVATION MATTERS. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF MOUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, CLICK THE ARROWS LEFT AND RIGHT. 
          UM, THIS IS INFORMATION FROM THE PLAN I, WE THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE HERE. 
          THERE'S SOME VIDEOS, UM, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN, AND WE'LL BE PUTTING THE EURO AUSTIN LANDMARKS VIDEOS UP THERE TOO. 
          UM, OKAY, SO THEN, UH, MOVING ON TO THE OTHER SECTIONS. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE HOMEPAGE. 
          THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP FOR EMAIL UPDATES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOMEPAGE. 
          THERE ARE THREE SECTIONS, UM, TO THE PAGE RIGHT NOW THAT MIRROR THE THREE SECTIONS OF THE PLAN, WHAT WE PRESERVE, WHO PRESERVES AND HOW WE PRESERVE. 
          AND JUST, I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA TALK THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT TO USE THE WHAT WE PRESERVE PAGE AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE GOALS UNDER THAT, UH, SECTION ARE UP TOP. 
          THERE'S, YOU CAN'T REALLY READ IT FROM HERE, BUT THERE ARE LITTLE LINKS THAT SAY EXPLORE UPDATE. 
          SO IT'S VERY EASY TO JUMP AROUND TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. 
          UM, HERE'S THE FIRST GOAL. 
          TELL AUSTIN'S FULL HISTORY. 
          AND THE, UM, AT WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS RATHER THAN PROVIDE METRICS FOR ALL 107 RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WOULD BE MAKE FOR A VERY UNWIELDY EXPERIENCE, UM, AND IS, UH, MORE THAN MOST FOLKS WANT, WE'VE CHOSEN A COUPLE OF HEADLINE. 
          WE'RE CALLING HEADLINE METRICS, UM, FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS SECTION. 
          SO YOU 
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CAN SEE ONE OF THEM THERE, ONE OF THEM, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE HASN'T STARTED YET, BUT THIS PULLS DIRECTLY, THE DATA PULLS DIRECTLY FROM THE, UM, PROGRESS TRACKER. 
          AND AT SOME POINT AS THE YEARS PROGRESS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE A TIME SEQUENCE OF HOW, HOW THAT'S CHANGED. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A FUN AUTOMATIC LINK. 
          SO THE TOP TEXT EXPLAINS THAT. 
          UM, RIGHT BELOW THAT THERE'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND THOSE ARE, THOSE SHOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE TOP LEVEL AND THEN YOU CAN EXPAND THE BOX TO SEE THE DETAILS, THE STATUS. 
          UM, THERE ACTUALLY IS A NEW SECTION IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING ALONG THAT SAYS WHAT, UM, WHAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'VE EXPANDED WHAT'S COMING NEXT FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT LEAST THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THE, AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO, TO KIND OF PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH THE ABILITY TO SCAN IT QUICKLY. 
          AND ALSO IF FOLKS REALLY WANT TO DIVE IN, THEY CAN DO THAT. 
          THIS ISN'T THE BOTTOM OF EVERY PAGE ON THE DASHBOARD. 
          THIS IS THE, THE FOOTER. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, UM, A LIST OF HELPFUL RESOURCES, THE PROGRESS DATABASE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT, WHICH WE'LL LOOK AT NEXT. 
          UM, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE GLOSSARY OF TERMS IN THE PARTNER DIRECTORY IN A MINUTE. 
          AND THEN ON THE RIGHT THERE'S THE, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DOWNLOAD THE PLAN IN ENGLISH OR SPANISH OR GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE OR SEND AN EMAIL TO US. 
          HERE ARE THE GLOSSARY OF TERMS IN THE PARTNER DIRECTORY. 
          AND THESE ARE, UM, I THINK REALLY GOOD RESOURCES THAT, UH, FOLKS WHO MAY NOT BE SUPER FAMILIAR WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR ALL THE TERMS IN THE PLAN CAN GO TO, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TERMS MEAN, HOW WE'RE USING THEM. 
          AND ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S A PARTNER DIRECTORY THAT SHOWS, UM, THESE ARE THE OLD, UM, CITY DEPARTMENT NAMES WILL BE UPDATING THOSE, BUT, UH, SHOWS WHAT CITY DEPARTMENTS ARE INVOLVED IN WHICH RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO WE EXPECT THIS TO BE USEFUL TO THOSE CITY PARTNERS AS WELL AS AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO MAY BE INTERESTED. 
          UM, I SHOULD, I'M GONNA MENTION BEFORE I LEAVE THE PROGRESS DASHBOARD THAT IT WAS BUILT OUT BY GREG FARRA, WHO'S NO LONGER WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, BUT LEARNED HOW TO BUILD THIS WEBSITE AND A NEW PLATFORM AND DID REALLY HEROIC WORK IN STRUCTURING IT TO BE, TO BE ACCESSIBLE AND TO BE CLEAR. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT, UM, RESOURCE IS THE PROGRESS TRACKER, WHICH IS ACCESSIBLE FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE PROGRESS DASHBOARD PAGE. 
          UM, AGAIN, THERE'S A QR CODE AND A SHORT LINK, UM, IN THIS PRESENTATION, IF ANYONE'S THINKING ABOUT CLICKING ON THE QR CODE BUT IS NOT READY TO TAKE THE PLUNGE, THIS IS POSTED AS BACKUP TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, SO YOU CAN FIND THEM EASILY FROM THERE. 
          SO THE PROGRESS TRACKER, THIS IS, AND A LOT OF THE SAME INFORMATION AS THE DASHBOARD, BUT IT'S CONDENSED AND IT'S DOWNLOADABLE AS THIS SPREADSHEET. 
          SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT FORMAT FOR FOLKS WHO I THINK ARE REALLY, WHO KNOW THAT THEY WANNA GET INTO THE DETAILS AND MAYBE DO SOME OF THEIR OWN, UM, QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS AS THE YEARS GO ON. 
          IT WILL INCLUDE METRICS FOR ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT JUST THOSE HEADLINE RECOMMENDATION, UH, HEADLINE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH GOAL. 
          UM, AND AS I SAID, IT CAN BE VISUALIZED OVER TIME. 
          THIS WILL ALSO BE UPDATED ANNUALLY. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, IT IS NOT AS I THINK VISUALLY COMPELLING, BUT IT, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THERE. 
          SO, UM, THE COLUMNS, UH, THEY'RE NOT, UH, I DID NOT EXPAND THEM ALL TO BE EXTREMELY, UM, LEGIBLE, BUT IT INCLUDES THE GOAL OF THE PLAN IN THE LEFT COLUMN, THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER, THE RECOMMENDATION TEXT, THE SUBTEXT, A LINK TO THAT RECOMMENDATION ON THE DASHBOARD. 
          SO IF SOMEONE FINDS THEMSELVES HERE AND WANTS TO JUMP BACK AND SEE IT IN A, UM, A DIFFERENT FORMAT, THEY CAN DO THAT EASILY. 
          THE STATUS WHEN WE EXPECT TO BEGIN WORK, ALL THIS INFORMATION IS ALSO ON THE DASHBOARD, BUT THIS REALLY JUST CONDENSES IT INTO A SPREADSHEET. 
          UM, IT INCLUDES, UM, THE DESCRIPTION OF METRICS, UH, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE DASHBOARD FOR ALL OF THE 107 RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO THE HOW WE MEASURE PROGRESS, WHICH IS RIGHT BELOW THE, UH, OR RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THE SECOND BREAK IN THE SCREENS HERE AT CITY HALL. 
          UM, WE ARE STILL COLLECTING DATA FOR A LOT OF THESE PROGRESS METRICS, WHICH WE, AND WE EXPECT TO BE FILLING THAT OUT, UM, HOPEFULLY MOSTLY OVER THE NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT IT REALLY IS, IS TO BE DETERMINED BASED ON STAFF CAPACITY. 
          UM, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO UPDATE, WE WILL INCLUDE, UM, METRICS FOR EACH YEAR WILL BE AGGREGATED. 
          SO IN THIS MODEL, UM, THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE LINES FOR EACH RECOMMENDATION WITH A METRIC. 
          THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE NUMBER IN 2024, THIS IS IN 2025. 
          THIS IS IN 2026. 
          AND THAT, THAT WILL ENABLE, UM, US AND ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAP THEM OVER TIME, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING. 
          THIS ALSO INCLUDES CITY OF AUSTIN PARTNERS AND ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER PLANS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S INFORMATION THAT'S ALSO NOT IN THE DASHBOARD, UM, WITH OTHER CITY AND STATE PLANS ON THE VERY RIGHT. 
          AND WHEN, IF YOU GO UP TO THE RIGHT TOP RIGHT CORNER ON, YOU CAN EXPORT THIS AS A SPREADSHEET. 
          SO, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE, A LITTLE MORE LEGIBLE OR TO PLAY WITH IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          UM, ALSO UNDER THE, THE BLUE ACTIONS BOX, THERE'S A WAY TO VISUALIZE DATA. 
          I I DID NOT EXPAND THAT NOW BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE YEAR'S DATA FOR A FEW METRICS. 
          IT'S 
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ACTUALLY NOT THAT INTERESTING. 
          BUT OVER TIME, AGAIN, THIS WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO REALLY, UM, AS THEY'RE INTERESTED TO DIVE IN AND SAY, WELL, HOW, HOW HAS THIS CHANGED? WHERE IS THIS GOING? UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE VERY QUICK TOUR HERE, THE QR CODES AGAIN. 
          UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU TO THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR, UM, REQUESTING THIS. 
          UH, MS. BERTRAM, THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS A A, WE KNEW IT WAS NOT JUST FOR THE FAINT OF HEART, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, AN EXPERT GUIDE, UH, INDICATE THE EXPANSE THAT OF INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE, UH, I THINK WAS, IT WAS AN EYE OPENER FOR US. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING TO THE LARGER GROUP. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF, UH, GO AHEAD. 
          THANKS VERY MUCH KARA. 
          I, I ALSO FOUND THAT GETTING THE PROGRESS TRACKER INFORMATION INTO AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET IS SUPER HELPFUL FOR GETTING THE OVERALL LOOK WHILE STILL HAVING A GRANULAR COMPOSITION OF THE OVERALL PLAN. 
          MM-HMM  SO I, I THINK IT IS HELPFUL TO, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ON THE SIDE, IT'S A LITTLE INTIMIDATING, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DOWNLOAD IT, IT'S NOT TOO BAD. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE TRACKER. 
          IS IT LIKE A DATE? SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LAST TIME THAT TRACKER'S BEEN UPDATED? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ADD TO THE, UM, THE METADATA OR, OR THE SUMMARY INFORMATION UP TOP. 
          AND WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW AND I, I SEE THERE'S A DATE FOR DATA LESS UPDATED METADATA, LESS UPDATED, UM, IN THE, UNDER THE, ABOUT THIS DATA SET. 
          BUT IT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THAT'S ON THE ACTUAL DATA PAGE. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE BENEFICIAL AS A USER LOOKING. 
          SO I KNOW THAT THIS TRACKER IS UP TO DATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. 
          AND, AND UM, I CAN, I'LL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE SAY IT'S UPDATED ANNUALLY, SO IF SOMEONE SEES THAT, OH, IT WAS LAST UPDATED IN MARCH OF 2026, THEY CAN KIND OF EXPECT TO COME BACK AND SEE IN 2027 WHAT THE UM, WHAT THE DATE IS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          WELL, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE THAT, I'M GLAD THAT THIS EXISTS ALSO. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND THE OPEN DATA PORTAL IN GENERAL IS JUST UNDERUTILIZED AND JUST GLAD THAT, THAT IT EXISTS IN GENERAL 'CAUSE IT'S GREAT. 
           COMMISSIONER COOK, DO YOU WANNA NO, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE OTHER COMMENT. 
          UM, VICE CHAIR EVANS, MYSELF AND OUR STAFF, FELLOW STAFF MEMBER, UH, WITH MS. PATRAN IS, UH, ANNIE F WE'RE ALL AT THE, UH, STATE, UH, CONVENTION FOR THE TEXAS SOCIETY OF ARCHITECTS PRESENTING ABOUT THE PLAN. 
          AND IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED. 
          AND THERE ARE OTHER CITIES AROUND THE STATE THAT ARE QUITE INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING WHAT WE ARE DOING AND HOW WE'RE IMPLEMENTING. 
          UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PORTAL AS DENSE AS SOME OF THIS MAY BE, UH, BUT SETTING UP A VEHICLE FOR NOT ONLY SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO, UH, HOLDING OUR LEADERS AND OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE, UH, AS WE SEE OVER TIME, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROGRESS, BUT WE ALSO MAY SEE THAT WE'RE LACKING IN SOME PROGRESS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US A, A GREAT INCENTIVE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH ALL OF THE INVESTMENT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND EXPECTATION THAT THE PUBLIC HAS GIVEN US. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ALRIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR TWO BRIEFINGS AND NOW WE 
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CAN MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST DISCUSSION CASE. 
          AND THAT IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          AND I WAS REMINDED THAT I DID NOT ENTER MY NAME INTO THE RECORD. 
          SO AUSTIN MOVES HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE. 
          UM, THIS IS A, UH, PROPOSAL FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM, UM, AT, UH, THE SIMMONS GLAZER HOUSE AT 1 1 1 2 WEST 10TH STREET. 
          UH, IT'S A PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FROM FAMILY RESIDENCE, HISTORIC DISTRICT, NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN TO FAMILY RESIDENT, UH, EXCUSE ME, THAT ZONING STRING IS SF DASH THREE DASH HD DASH NP TO FAMILY RESIDENCE HISTORIC LANDMARK HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. 
          THAT'S SF DASH THREE DASH H DASH HD DASH NP. 
          COMBINING DISTRICT ZONING ON THE BA, THIS IS BEING NOMINATED FOR THE, ON THE BASIS OF, UH, COMMUNITY VALUE AND HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS. 
          UH, THE EARLIEST RECORDS OF THE BUILDING AT 1 1 1 2 WEST 10TH STREET EXISTING ARE FROM, UH, TAX DOCUMENTS FROM 1903 TO THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE SIMILAR STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MAY INDICATE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT THE SECOND EMPIRE STYLE WAS BROUGHT POPULAR FROM THE 1850S THROUGH THE 1880S. 
          BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE STYLE CONTINUED 
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FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN AUSTIN INTO THE 20TH CENTURY. 
          THE SIMMONS GLAZER HOUSE, ALONG WITH HOUSES ON THIS AND NEIGHBORING STREETS, WERE BUILT DURING A CAMPAIGN IN THE 1890S BY LOCAL BUILDER NICK DAWSON, WHO USED SIMILAR MATERIALS AND PROPORTIONS. 
          EVEN THOUGH THE EXACT DATE OF CONSTRUCTION MAY BE UNCERTAIN, THE ASY THE ASYMMETRICAL FRONT ELEVATION WITH A BAY EXTENSION ON THE WEST HALF AND FRONT PORCH AT THE EAST COMPLETE WITH DECORATIVE MILLWORK, INDICATE THAT THIS HOUSE IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION AND RETAINS GOOD INTEGRITY. 
          UM, ON THE BASIS OF HISTORICAL ESTATE ASSOCIATIONS MENTIONED ABOVE, THE PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH AUSTIN BUILD OR NICK DAWSON, WHO, UH, DESIGNED NUMEROUS BUILDINGS IN IT'S PART OF TOWN. 
          THE SIMMONS GLAZER HOUSE, UH, EXEMPLIFIES THE UNIFORMITY OF DESIGN THAT DAWSON BROUGHT TO THE STREETS, ADJACENT TO THE TEXAS MILITARY INSTITUTE, AND AN OVERALL DESIGN THAT WAS NOT FOUND IN THE CITY UNTIL AROUND THIS TIME. 
          PREVIOUS TO THIS WRITES THE STORY IN LORI MARTIN. 
          THE DAWSON'S WORK IS SIGNIFICANT BEYOND ITS EVIDENT CRAFTSMANSHIP. 
          UH, THE COLLECTION OF HOUSES REPRESENTS THE FIRST SUSTAINED BUILDING CAMPAIGN IN THE WESTLINE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          ALMOST ALL OF THE EARLY HOUSES IN THE RAYMOND AND NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORING SUBDIVISIONS FROM 1870 TO 1895 WERE INDIVIDUAL EFFORTS BUILT WITH LITTLE OR NO CONSIDERATION FOR NEIGHBORING DESIGNS OR PRINT BUILDING TYPES. 
          LOTS AND BLOCKS WERE DEVELOPED PIECEMEAL AND HO HOUSES VARIED FROM ARCHITECT DESIGN BRICK MANSIONS TO MORE MODEST FRAME HOUSES BUILT BY CONTRACTORS FROM PLAN BOOKS. 
          EVEN WITHIN THE EXCLUSIVE RAYMOND HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION, THERE WAS LITTLE CONSISTENCY BEYOND THE LARGE, LARGE HOUSE AND LOT. 
          UH, SEVERAL OF THE GRAND HOUSES WERE BRICK CONSTRUCTION, WHILE OTHERS WERE FRAME, AND THEIR CONSTRUCTION SPAN NEARLY 40 YEARS FROM THE CIRCA 19 AIR 1854 RAYMOND HOUSE TO THE CIRCA 1891, UH, JOSEPH LEY HOUSE, ALTHOUGH ALL WERE LARGE, TWO TO TWO AND A HALF STORY HOUSES, SOME DISPLAY ITALIAN IT TO DETAILING. 
          WHILE THERE'S EXHIBIT QUEEN ANNE OR GREEK VI STYLISTIC FEATURES, THEY'RE SET BACK FROM WEST SIXTH STREET, VARIED. 
          ACCORDING TO THE SITE'S ELEVATIONS, THERE WAS NO RHYTHM TO THE STREETSCAPE ALL ALONG WEST SIXTH STREET IN THE SILMAN SUBDIVISION. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, WEST 10TH AND WEST 11TH STREETS, UH, WERE ALMOST FULLY BUILT AT WITHIN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FROM ABOUT 1894 TO 1898. 
          AND THE HOUSES SHARED SIMILAR DESIGNS, MATERIALS, SIZE, HEIGHT, AND SCALE. 
          LOT SIZES AND SETBACKS WERE CONSISTENT, AND THE RESULTING STREET SCAPES CONVEY AN ORDERLY PLANNED APPEARANCE BY COMBINING A UNIFIED DESIGN THAT WOULD LATER BE COMMONPLACE IN SUBDIVISION TRACTED HOUSING, BUT RETAINING THE ELEMENTS OF CRAFTS SUCH AS THE LIMESTONE FACADES AND DECORATIVE MILLWORK. 
          THE WORK OF NICK DAWSON SIGNIFIED A PIVOT POINT OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN AUSTIN AS IT BRANCHED OUTSIDE OF ITS PREVIOUS BOUNDARIES INTO LAND THAT HAD TO THAT POINT NOT BEEN TOUCHED BY CITY SERVICES. 
          THE SIMMONS GLASER HOUSE IS ONE OF THE MOST INTACT EXAMPLES OF THAT CONSTRUCTION, MAINTAINING A STRONG HISTORIC ASSOCIATION BEYOND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE FIRST OWNERS OF THE NEWLY BUILT RESIDENTS WERE DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY'S THEN WEST SUBURBS, NOW REFERRED TO AS OLD WEST AUSTIN. 
          DAVID AND VIRGINIA, UH, SIMMONS OWNED THE PROPERTY FROM 18 OR FROM 1903 TO 1913, BUT HAD CONNECTIONS TO THE AREA FOR SOME TIME BEFORE AND AFTER. 
          AT THE TIME THEY BOUGHT THE RESIDENCE. 
          DAVID SIMMONS WAS THE ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS, AND HE WOULD LATER ENTER PRIVATE PRACTICE. 
          IN 1908, HE JOINED THE OTHER WEST OPS AUSTIN RESIDENTS TO FORM THE WEST AUSTIN IMPROVEMENT CLUB, WHICH ACTED TO MODERNIZE AND BEAUTIFY THE AREA THAT HAD BEEN UNTIL THEN UNDERDEVELOPED. 
          THIS ADVOCACY INCLUDED THE IMPROVEMENT OF STREETS, THE CREATION OF SIDEWALKS, ESTABLISHING A MALE SERVICE AND EXTENDING STREET CAR LINES FURTHER WEST, UH, AFTER INITIALLY BEING OWNED BY AND OCCUPIED BY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL, UH, SIMMONS. 
          THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 19 OH IN 1913 BY SAMUEL A GLAZER AND HIS WIFE EMMA, WITH A RAISED TWO CHILDREN. 
          SAMUEL GLAZER WAS SELF-TAUGHT BARBER, WHO AS, WHO WAS ASSOCIATED WITH OR PARTIALLY OWNED NUMEROUS BARBERSHOPS THROUGHOUT TOWN. 
          HOWEVER, SHE WAS ALSO A PASSIONATE MUSICIAN. 
          AND IN 1907, ORGANIZED WITH SEVEN OTHER AUSTIN MUSICIANS, THE AUSTIN MUSICIANS UNION, NUMBER 4 33, WHICH BECAME AN IMPORTANT STEP TOWARDS THE PROFESSIONALIZATION OF THE AUSTIN MUSIC SCENE IN HISTORIAN LORI MARTIN'S WORDS, THE MUSICIAN'S LOCAL 4 33 WAS ORGANIZED ON JUNE 8TH, 1907, WHEN EIGHT MUSICIANS OF AUSTIN, INCLUDING SAMUEL BLAZER, MET AND FORMULATED A PLAN FOR THE BETTERMENT AND STANDARDIZATION OF MUSIC CONDITIONS. 
          LOCAL 4 33 WAS FOUNDED AT A TIME WHEN AUSTIN WAS MERGING AS A CULTURAL HUB IN CENTRAL TEXAS. 
          THE UNION WAS CREATED TO ORGANIZE PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS GIVING THEM COLLECTIVE BARGAINING POWER FOR FAIR PAY AND BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS. 
          PRIOR TO THE UNION'S FORMATION, MUSICIANS OFTEN WORKED FOR IRREGULAR WAGES AND HAD LITTLE PROTECTION AGAINST EXPLOITATIVE EMPLOYERS. 
          ACCORDING TO MULTIPLE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, GLAZER WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER AND SURVEYED, UH, SERVED AS THE SECRETARY OF LOCAL 4 33. 
          OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS, INCLUDING 1913 TO 1921. 
          IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY, THE SECRETARY IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT OFFICERS IN THE LOCAL A FM UNION. 
          AS SECRETARY GLAZER HANDLED MEMBERSHIP, UH, RECORDS, CORRESPONDENCE AND FINANCIAL REPORTING TO THE NATIONAL AMERICAN FEDERATION MUSEUM MUSICIANS HEADQUARTERS, HE KEPT THEM MINUTES OF MEETINGS, MAINTAINED THE UNION'S ROSTER OF MUSICIANS AND DISTRIBUTED THE LOW, THE OFFICIAL SCALE OF PRICES. 
          THE WAGE GUIDELINES FOR, EXCUSE ME, THE OFFICIAL SCALE OF PRICES, WHICH WERE THE WAGE GUIDELINES FOR PERFORMANCES. 
          UH, THE INFLUENCE OF THE LOCAL 4 33 
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AND PROFESSIONALIZING AND PROTECT THE MUSICIANS IN AUSTIN CANNOT BE OVERSTATED. 
          THE UNION DID MORE THAN OVER OVERSEE CONTRACTS. 
          IT DIRECTLY SHAPED WHO GOT TO PLAY WHERE THEY COULD PERFORM AND HOW AUSTIN BUILT IT, BUILT ITS IDENTITY AS A TRUE MUSIC CITY, UM, AND EXEMPLIFIES THE UNION'S, UH, IMPACT ON THE FORMATION. 
          THEREFORE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UM, UM, RECOMMEND THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE, UM, TO SF DASH THREE DASH H DASH HD DASH NP DISTRICT ZONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UH, I'VE JUST AS, AS A, UH, EXAMPLE OF THE FRENCH SECOND EMPIRE, WE HAVE SO LITTLE OF IT IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          UH, I, I STRUCK BY THE DISCUSSION OF IT, UH, OR THE, THE NOTE THAT IT'S PROBABLY, I GUESS YOU SAID IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ESTABLISHED WHEN IT WAS BUILT. 
          UH, BUT I, I WOULD CONCUR THAT IT PROBABLY IS BEFORE THE 19 HUNDREDS, JUST BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A FAIRLY LATE ADDITION TO THAT, UH, STYLISTIC, UH, ERA. 
          BUT, BUT OF COURSE, AUSTIN DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF IT TO BEGIN WITH, SO IT MAY, IT MAY HAVE COME HERE LATE, BUT THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, UH, THAT OVERVIEW. 
          UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A APPLICANT AND, UH, THEY CAN COME AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AS THE APPLICANT HERE. 
          AND OUR PRIMARY SPEAKER HAS, UH, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO, UH, TELL US, UH, ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LORI MARTIN, AND I'M, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER OF THE BILL OF THE PROPERTY WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          SHE'S ATTENDING A FUNERAL, BUT I JUST WANT TO, UM, THANK AUSTIN FOR THE, UH, PRESENTATION THAT HE GAVE, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, I TOLD SOMEONE TODAY THAT I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, ITS CONTRIBUTION, UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY VALUE IS SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND, UH, THAT IT STARTED THE, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE STARTED US ON A PATH TO BE THE LIVE MUSIC CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, ATTRIBUTE TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, MS. MARTIN, DO YOU HAVE A ADDITIONAL IMAGES THAT YOU HAVE AS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION? NO, I DIDN'T BRING ANY ADDITIONAL IMAGES TONIGHT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, UH, ANY, WE HAVE HAVE SOME IN OUR BACKUP. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT JUST SHOW SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, INDICATION OF THE QUALITY OF THE, OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I'M NOT SURE IF STAFF CAN, I DUNNO, HAVE ACCESS TO SOME OF THAT. 
          ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF, UM, THE, THE SPEAKER? UH, A QUESTION, ARE THE SHINGLES ORIGINAL ON THE, UM, MAN ROOF MM-HMM . 
          YES, THEY ARE. 
          WELL, AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE STYLE, THE, THE RUSTICA STONEWORK AND ITS RELATION TO THE CASTLE AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO CASTLE HILL? JUST, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY VALUE BEING PLACED ON A PREVIOUS OCCUPANT, WHICH I THINK WOULD PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE UNDER HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS, UH, TO THE LETTER OF THE CRITERIA. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE STYLE WOULD PROBABLY TEND TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BASED ON ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE CASTLE AND, UM, THAT DISTRICT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE, UM, THE REASON WE DIDN'T CHOOSE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, INTEGRITY IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CASTLE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO IT'S ALREADY, UM, RECOGNIZED WHERE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. 
          UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, THE WORK OF NICK DAWSON AND THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HE HAS ON WEST 11TH AND WEST 10TH ARE ALL MADE OF THE SAME LIMESTONE. 
          AND, UH, THEY, THEY SPECIFICALLY, THEY HAVE OFTEN BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO BEING, UH, CONNECTED TO THE, UM, CASTLE, EXCUSE ME, THE MILITARY INSTITUTE. 
          BUT, UM, BUT THEY HAVE, THAT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED, AND THEY, THEY CAME AFTER THE, UH, MILITARY INSTITUTE WAS ALREADY GONE. 
          UH, THE INSTITUTE ITSELF, THE CASTLE OBVIOUSLY STAYED , AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HEAR SO MANY LANDMARK APPLICATIONS FROM WITHIN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          BUT IS THERE ANY RESTRICTION BY ORDINANCE FOR US RECOGNIZING ARCHITECTURAL VALUE AS A CRITERION FOR A LANDMARK? IF IT'S WITHIN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, YES. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          PER CITY CODE, IT CANNOT BE, UH, 
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NOMINATED FOR ARCHITECTURE. 
          IF IT IS IN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, TWO OTHER CRITERIA MUST BE MET. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I HAVE A GO AHEAD. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION JUST, JUST LIKE PROCEDURALLY HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, STILL NEW TO THE COMMISSION, AND I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST CASE SINCE I'VE JOINED THAT'S LIKE THIS. 
          BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE IT'S, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE PROTECTIONS OFFERED UNDER THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          HOW DO THE, HOW, HOW DOES THAT DIFFER FROM THE, THE INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC ZONING CATEGORY? BECAUSE, UM, I, I KNOW WE, I KNOW WE WERE LIKE, THAT'S IN OUR TRAINING, AND I SEEM TO, UM, I SEEM TO RECALL THAT THERE, THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF OVERLAP THERE, BUT I, I'M INTERESTED TO AT WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHERE IT, THE OVERLAP ISN'T , I GUESS. 
          I, I THINK, UH, I'LL DEFER TO STAFF TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY FOR HISTORIC ZONING FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES MM-HMM . 
          AND A SERIES OF PROTECTIONS, UH, THAT WE ADMINISTER. 
          AND THEN AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE IS SOME OVERLAP, BUT, UH, IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHERE THE, THE, THE, THE HISTORIC ZONING, UH, IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT IN, IN THE REGARD OF OUR FULL, FULL PROTECTIONS, IF YOU WILL. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A EXCELLENT QUESTION. 
          SO IT CURRENTLY, BY BEING IN THE CASTLE HILL LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, SET OF HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLIED, UM, TO ANY PROPERTY IN THAT DISTRICT. 
          UM, FOR A LANDMARK. 
          THEY ARE, UM, HELD TO THE CITIES, UH, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS AS WELL, UM, TO, UH, HIGH DEGREE, UM, WHERE ALTERATION WOULD BE, UM, LIMITED, UH, BY BEING, UH, LANDMARK. 
          WELL, BY BEING IN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE STATE, THE CITY'S, UM, HISTORIC TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM. 
          UM, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION WILL ALSO OPEN THEM TO THE HISTORIC TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD BE, UH, ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION REALLY, IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, VIA A LAW CHANGED OR WHATNOT, IT WOULD STILL BE THAT PROTECTION FOR IT AS A LANDMARK. 
          I, AND I WOULD JUST SAY INFORMALLY THAT, UH, OVER THE YEARS WE REVIEW AND HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ANY MODIFICATIONS MADE. 
          UH, AND THESE ARE FLAGGED DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. 
          UH, I, I WOULD JUST SAY AGAIN, INFORMALLY, WE WOULD HOLD A LANDMARKED, UH, ZONED PROPERTY TO A HIGHER STANDARD, TYPICALLY THAN WE WOULD FOR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. 
          IN FACT, YOU SEE, OFTENTIMES WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ON OUR, UH, AGENDA FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UH, UH, CHANGES. 
          COMMISSIONER COOK, AND I WOULD NOTE, UH, DEMOLITION IS PROHIBITED FOR CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES IN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          BUT IT IS TYP, I HAVEN'T LOOKED SPECIFICALLY AT THE CASTLE HILL HILL STANDARDS IN A WHILE, BUT IT'S GENERALLY FOCUSED ON THE FRONT 15 FEET BECAUSE WE ARE PRESERVING THE DISTRICT AND NOT THE HOUSE. 
          AND WHEN IT COMES TO A LANDMARK, WE LOOK AT ALL THE SIDES AND LOOK AT IT AT ITS ENTIRETY. 
          THE, THE INTERIOR, WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY OVER. 
          THEY COULDN'T COMPLETELY GUT IT, AND WE HAVE NO PROTECTIONS ON THAT. 
          BUT THE EXTERIOR OF A LANDMARK, ALL SIDES WE HAVE AUTHORITY OVER. 
          AND FOR A DISTRICT, IT'S MORE STREET FACING, FRONT 15 FEET. 
          SO SOMEONE COULD GENERALLY DEMOLISH THE BACKSIDE OF A PROPERTY AND MAKE ALL, MAKE MORE SIGNIFICANT ALTERATIONS TO A PROPERTY IN HISTORIC LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT THAN THEY COULD TO A HISTORIC LANDMARK. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL VERY HELPFUL. 
          I, I JUST, I THINK FOR ME, UM, I'M JUST, I'M JUST, UM, THAT, THAT GIVES SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THE, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE HISTORIC, UH, INCENTIVE OR THE, THE ABATEMENT, THERE IS A, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE IS A FISCAL IMPACT THERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, GET SOME CLARITY AS TO WHY THE, THIS WAS REC BEING RECOMMENDED IN ADDITION TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UNLESS THERE'S AN ACTIVE, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE ISN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, A DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A THREAT OF DEMOLITION OR MAJOR ALTERATIONS, I THINK THAT CLEARS THAT UP FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER LAROCHE. 
          WELL, I JUST WANT TO THANK LORI FOR HER EXCELLENT WORK THAT'S PROVIDED IN OUR BACKUP. 
          REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, LORI. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS POINT, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS OF OUR SPEAKER, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER 
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SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN COMMISSIONERS, I WILL, UH, THANK THE, THE SPEAKER AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO MOVED. 
          COMMISSIONER LAROCHE. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER? UH, GROGAN. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          AND I SEE ALL HANDS RAISED SO THAT IT'S UNANIMOUS THE HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          COMMISSIONERS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. 
          YOU'VE HEARD THE STAFF'S, UH, PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT'S DISCUSSION, UH, AND WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM THAT IS A REQUEST FOR HISTORIC ZONING. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION, I BELIEVE VICE CHAIR EVANS, WHICH IS TO, OH, COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR EVANS? UH, YES. 
          I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR A MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE, AND I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION THAT MS. MARTIN GAVE. 
          SO THAT IS, THAT IS A, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR HISTORIC ZONING ON THE PROPERTY AS PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND ALSO, UH, TO, UH, WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'RE ALL SET. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A SECOND OF THE MOTION? UH, COMMISSIONER LAROCHE SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER RICE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? UH, VICE CHAIR. 
          RICE, UH, RICE, LISTEN TO ME. 
          VICE CHAIR EVANS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER UP THERE ON THE MONITOR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY, PRETTY COMPELLING CASE FOR PROPERTY TO BE PRESERVED. 
          IT HAS A LOT OF, UH, UH, IT'S VERY INTERESTING ARCHITECTURE AND THE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION IS SIGNIFICANT, AND I THINK IT'S STILL, THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IS STILL VERY RELEVANT TODAY TO WHO WE PROCLAIM TO BE AS A CITY. 
          AND COMMISSIONER LA ROCHE SPEAK, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. 
          I ALWAYS FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WE DO CAN HOLD UP. 
          I WILL, I'M VERY MUCH ON THE BUBBLE, BUT I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE REASONS GIVEN IN THE STAFF BACKUP, BECAUSE UNDER COMMUNITY VALUE, THE PROPERTY AS UNIQUE LOCATION AS PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTIC OR SIGNIFICANT FEATURE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE CHARACTER IN INTERCULTURAL IDENTITY OF THE CITY, NEIGHBORHOOD, OR PARTICULAR GROUP. 
          I DO TAKE SOME ISSUE WITH USING A PREVIOUS OCCUPANT TO APPLY TO THAT CRITERIA, BUT I THINK THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTIC THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND, YOU KNOW, FEATURES, BUT IT IS SPECIFICALLY ITS LIKENESS TO THE CASTLE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS HOW I'M GOING TO HANG MY HAT ON THAT, BECAUSE I'M HAVING A VERY HARD TIME AND I DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM APPLYING. 
          BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE REVIEW THESE EARLY ON BECAUSE IT HAS TO WITHSTAND SCRUTINY. 
          AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN USE A PREVIOUS OCCUPANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY VALUE ASPECT. 
          DESPITE THAT OCCUPANT CONTRIBUTING TO THE CULTURAL IDENTITY OF THE CITY. 
          IT'S STILL AN OCCUPANT AND IT, BUT NOT A UNIQUE LOCATION, PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTIC OR SIGNIFICANT FEATURE. 
          SO I AM GOING, WHEN I MAKE MY VOTE, GOING TO REFER TO THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE RESTATED STONE AND ITS SIMILARITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I'M, I'M GOING TO TAKE A SIMILAR APPROACH, BUT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TACT, UH, BECAUSE I ALSO THINK THE COMMUNITY VALUE IS DIRECTLY TIED TO ITS ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER. 
          THERE ARE SO FEW EXAMPLES OF FRENCH SECOND EMPIRE IN AUSTIN. 
          IF YOU WERE, UH, PRETTY MUCH IN ANY CITY IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE 1890S, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN A VERY MODERN CONTEMPORARY, UH, WAY OF, OF EXPRESSING, UH, ARCHITECTURAL EXCITEMENT. 
          UH, THESE WERE, THESE WERE ON TREND. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF 'EM IN AUSTIN. 
          AND THIS CONNECTS US BOTH WITH THE DEEPER HISTORY OF THE FRENCH PRESENCE IN THIS AREA, THE ST. 
          MARK'S PLAZA IN NEW ORLEANS. 
          BUT AS A STYLE, 
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UH, IT WAS SIGNIFICANT HERE FOR A VERY BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME. 
          THE TRAVIS COUNTY COURTHOUSE WAS A MAJOR EXAMPLE OF THIS ARCHITECTURE DONE AT THAT TIME. 
          IT NO LONGER EXISTS. 
          AND I THINK BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE, THE, THE VALUE, UH, OF THE, IF YOU WILL, AMONG THE COMMUNITY OF, OF THE PRACTITIONERS AT THIS TIME, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A FRENCH SECOND EMPIRE BUILDING OF THIS NOTE, UH, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. 
          AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IT, IT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL JUST TO THE BUILDING, BUT IT CONNECTS IT TO A MUCH BROADER, UH, VALUE THAT THIS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE HAS. 
          AND WE AGAIN, UH, WAY BEYOND JUST THE, THE CITY LIMITS OF AUSTIN IN MAKING THAT CONNECTION. 
          SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE HISTORIC ZONING AS PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AS NOTED. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          AND I SEE I'D LIKE TO BE SHOWN ABSTAINING. 
          OKAY. 
          I SEE ALL HANDS RAISED EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER RICE. 
          AND THEN COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE CLARIFYING YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ABSTAINING. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT, THE MOTION IS, UH, ENOUGH HANDS ARE RAISED. 
          THE MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CONGRATULATIONS. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, WE NOW ARE 
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MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION CASE. 
          AND THAT IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE ON YOUR AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          APOLOGIES. 
          TAKE YOUR TIME MR. LUKE. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE THERE. 
          ALL THE, UH, NEXT CASE IS AT FIVE 14 EAST MONROE STREET. 
          UM, THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING AND PARTIALLY DEMOLISH ANOTHER CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, UH, TO THE DISTRICT. 
          UH, THE DEMOLITION APPLICATION APPLIES TO THE REAR HALF OF THE BUILDING LOCATED AT FIVE 14 EAST MONROE STREET, AS WELL AS THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING LISTED AS, UH, 1506 EAST DRIVE, EAST SIDE DRIVE. 
          THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE ON THE SAME PROPERTY AND ARE CONSIDERED AS ONE PROJECT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS REVIEW. 
          THE BUILDING AT FIVE 14 EAST MONROE STREET IS AN INTACT SINGLE STORY CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW THAT HAS BEEN WELL MAINTAINED. 
          THE FRONT CORNER FEATURES AN INSET PORCH, WHICH HAS, WHICH HAS TWO FRONT DOORS LEADING INSIDE A LARGE WOOD FRAME, PICTURE WINDOW FACES THE STREET, AND ALONG WITH OTHER WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND SIDES OF THE HOUSE APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL OR, OR OF COMPARABLE INCOMPATIBLE MATERIAL DUE TO THE SLIGHTLY SLOPED TERRAIN. 
          THE HOUSE IS ELEVATED ON PIERS AND A CONCRETE STAIR LEADS FROM THE FRONT WALL TO THE PORCH. 
          THE MAIN ROOF IS FRONT GABLE AND FEATURES BRACKETS AND ATTIC VENTS AT ITS PEAK. 
          THE BUILDING AT 1506 EAST SIDE DRIVE IS LOCATED, IS LISTED IN THE TRE HEIGHTS FAIRVIEW PARK NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION AS BEING A SIDE-BY-SIDE DUPLEX WITH NO PREVAILING STYLISTIC INFLUENCES. 
          THE SINGLE STORY STRUCTURE FEATURES A SIDE GD ROOF WITH AN ENCLOSED STREET SCREEN PORCH ON BOTH SIDES. 
          BOTH FRONT DOORS ARE AT THE CENTER OF THE STREET FACING ELEVATION, AND THE ENTRYWAY SHARE A MODEST CONCRETE PORCH UPON CONSTRUCTION SOMETIME BETWEEN 18 OR 1925 AND 1930. 
          THE HOUSE WAS FIRST OWNED BY PATRICK AND LOTTIE PARKER. 
          PATRICK WORKED AS A PROJECTIONIST IN AUSTIN AND THEY MOVED SHORTLY AWAY SHORTLY AFTER 1930. 
          THE HOUSE WAS THEN BOUGHT AND OCCUPIED FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS BY ROY AND LULA SHORT. 
          MR. SHORT WORKED IN MANAGERIAL ROLES AND WAS INVOLVED WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION AT THIS TIME. 
          TOGETHER. 
          THEY RAISED THEIR FAMILY AT THE DRESS BEFORE THE ADDRESS BEFORE MOVING OUT OF TOWN IN THE EARLY 1950S. 
          THE PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE TRIFUS HEIGHTS. 
          FAIRVIEW PARK NATIONAL REGISTER. 
          DISTRICT PROPERTIES MUST MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IT DOES NOT MEET TWO CRITERIA, THEREFORE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO COMMENT ON PLANS FOR PARTIAL AND TOTAL DEMOLITION AND RELEASE THE APPLICATION. 
          THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST REVIEW PLANS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICTS BEFORE DEMOLITION PERMITS MAY BE ISSUED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE DO NOT HAVE THE UP, WE DON'T HAVE THE PLANS ABOUT WHAT'S COMING, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, WE DO NOT. 
          THIS IS JUST A DEMOLITION APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT IT HAS BEEN, IT HAS BEEN REVISED SO THAT IT IS ONLY FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AS NOTED IN THE, IN THE BACKUP. 
          YES. 
          AS NOTED IN THE BACKUP, THE FRONT HALF, APPROXIMATELY THE FRONT HALF OF FIVE 14 EAST MONROE IS BEING RETAINED. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          BUT THERE ARE TWO STRUCTURES ON THE LOT, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN QUESTION? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. 
          THE, UH, PROPERTY CONTAINS, UH, THE ADDRESS KNOWN AS 1506 EAST SIDE DRIVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THE MONROE PROPERTY IS THE ONE THAT IS BEING DEMOLISHED, I GUESS THE BACKSIDE. 
          AND THEN 1506 IS FULL DEMOLITION. 
          IS TOTAL DEMOLITION, CORRECT. 
          AT 1506. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. 
          HEARING NONE, UH, GO AHEAD. 
          YES. 
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OH, JUST, I'M NOTING IN THE BACKUP THAT THERE'S, UM, A PETITION FROM, I GUESS FROM THE OWNER. 
          I'M TRYING TO, I HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED THIS BEFORE. 
          THAT'S, UH, FOR THE PROTEST FORM THAT, IS THAT WHO THAT'S FROM? YES, THAT IS FROM THE OWNER. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I, I, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING NEW THAT, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE HAD, UH, OWNERS REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION, UH, IN, IN THE PAST. 
          I JUST, WHETHER THERE WAS A FORM OR NOT, I GUESS IS SOMETHING I GUESS I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EITHER. 
          IS THAT A, IS THAT A NEW PROCESS? AND THAT'S, THIS IS NOT A NEW PROCESS. 
          THIS IS JUST A, A PETITION OPPOSING ANY, UH, PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FOR HISTORIC ZONING, UM, THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US BY THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, BUT THAT COULD COME IN ANY NUMBER OF FORMS. CORRECT. 
          SOMETIMES WE GET LETTERS SIM, SO IT'S YEAH. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND THERE'S NOT, THIS IS LIKE A, A PREEMPTIVE, LIKE THERE'S NOT, THERE ISN'T A PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT WOULD BE, UH, ONE OF OUR OP OPTIONS. 
          UH, FOR THE NEWER COMMISSIONERS. 
          WHEN WE HAVE A DEMOLITION CASE SUCH AS THIS IN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW THE CASE, BUT IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          AND ONE OF OUR POTENTIAL TOOLS WOULD BE TO INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING. 
          SO I THINK THAT IS, THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT THAT IS ADDRESSING. 
          CORRECT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE CLARIFICATION. 
          I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER ROGAN, IS THERE A REASON, AND MAYBE I'M MISSING IT, THERE AREN'T PHOTOS OF THE 1506? UH, THERE SHOULD BE IN BACKUP. 
          UM, LET ME PULL THAT UP. 
          AND THE LAST PAGES OF THE LAST PHOTOS IN BACKUP SHOULD BE THE 1506 BUILDING. 
          UM, OH, OKAY. 
          IN, UH, BACKUP 9.1 REVISED SITE LENS. 
          GOT IT. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          HI THERE. 
          MIKE MCCONE REPRESENTING THE OWNER ON THIS PROJECT. 
          IT CAME TO YOU LAST OCTOBER WITH A TOTAL DEMOLITION. 
          UH, AUSTIN, CAN WE BRING UP THE PICTURES? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW, UH, GO THROUGH THOSE TO THE S OKAY. 
          THAT ONE YOU JUST PASSED TO SHOW THE NEW PLAN BEFORE IT WAS A TOTAL DEMOLITION. 
          THEY CALLED ME ABOUT, UH, TWO WEEKS BEFORE AND SAID, WOULD YOU GO LOOK AT THIS FOR US? I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT. 
          I PULLED THE NEXT ONE UP AND WE'LL COME BE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE SURVEY. 
          GO BACK TO THE SURVEY SINCE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THAT'S THE SITE PLAN. 
          GO TO THE SURVEY. 
          IT'S THE LAST PAGE OF YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A FOREST. 
          AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE IS MAKE, UH, PRESERVE THE FRONT OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AT FIVE 14, WHICH IS IN GOOD SHAPE, AND THE WELL MAINTAINED ADD ONTO THE REAR OF IT AND STAY WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDINGS AND NOT AFFECT THE, UH, HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE, THERE ARE FIVE HERITAGE TREES, ONE OF WHICH IS OVER 60 INCHES IN DIAMETER. 
          WE WANT TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES, HAVE A NICE ADDITION TO AND PRE PRESERVATION OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS IN KEEPING WITH ITS, UH, CONTRIBUTING STATUS. 
          UH, AND ADD ONTO IT, THE DU THERE IS A LARGE HILL THAT YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE LITTLE LINES TOGETHER OF THE ELEVATION. 
          THIS HOUSE AT FIVE 14 IS RAISED VERY HIGH ABOVE, UH, THE SIDE STREET OF WHICH THE, UH, APARTMENTS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE DRIVE. 
          UH, AND THEY PLAN TO BUILD, UH, REMOVE THAT. 
          IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT FIRST PAGE OF THE, UH, YEAH, THE ONE WITH THE SITE PLAN THAT WILL ALL BE REMOVED. 
          THE ARCHITECTS ARE HERE TO DISCUSS WHERE WE ARE SO FAR ON THIS DESIGN. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THREE INDIVIDUAL HOMES THAT WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE DUPLEX WILL BE TURNED INTO TWO HOMES THERE, AGAIN, UTILIZING THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT SO THAT WE ARE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE IMPACTING THE TREES. 
          UH, THERE IS A 16 PAGE, UH, BARTLETT TREE EVALUATION DONE BY, UH, MICHAEL AND BEY WHO USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING, UH, TO YOU AS WE GO THROUGH THE, UH, DESIGN PROCESS 
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AND SHOWING YOU HOW WE WILL DO THAT AND PRESERVE THIS. 
          BUT WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND YOU'VE TR DISCUSSED IN THE EARLIER PROJECTS, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH KNOWING THAT, UH, THIS IS A VALID WAY TO PRE PRESERVE THE BUILDING, UH, OF SIGNIF MOST SIGNIFICANCE AND IN THE BEST REPAIR. 
          THE OTHER 1950S SORT OF DUPLEX IS NOT, UH, REALLY IN THAT GOOD SHAPE. 
          AND I'LL, AND YOU GUYS WANT TALK? OKAY. 
          I BRING IN THE ARCHITECTS AND THEY'LL IDENTIFY 'EM THEMSELVES. 
          UH, MR. MCCONELL, JUST A MOMENT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MCCOLLUM BEFORE WE HAVE THE NEXT SPEAKER? ALRIGHT, AND NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          HELLO. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MY NAME'S MIKE ETT AND I'M FROM  DESIGN AND I'M A PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE PROPOSING, AS MIKE STATED, TO MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL FACADE, UH, AND THE FRONT HALF OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AT FIVE 14 EAST MONROE. 
          UM, AND FULLY DEMOLISH THE, UH, SIDE-BY-SIDE DUPLEX AT 1506 EASTSIDE DRIVE. 
          UM, WE WILL BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE HOME INITIATIVE TO, UH, BUILD TWO NEW CONSTRUCTION RESIDENCES, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, THE ADDITION AT, UH, FIVE 14 EAST MONROE. 
          SO WE'RE MAINTAINING THE, THE THREE TOTAL, UH, DWELLING UNITS ON THE SITE. 
          UM, AND WE FULLY INTEND TO MEET WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND GET THEIR INPUT REGARDING APPROPRIATENESS, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UH, SENSITIVITY TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT IS ALWAYS PART OF OUR DESIGN PROCESS. 
          SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ISSUES OF SCALE RELATING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND, UM, STREET PRESENCE AND, UM, TRYING TO MAINTAIN NEIGHBOR PRIVACY. 
          UH, THOSE ARE ALL SORT OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH REBUILDING. 
          SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU. 
          UH, SO YOU HAD TO HAVE GIVEN SOME THOUGHT TO WHAT MIGHT THE DESIGN BE CAPABLE OF, AND YOU DO, AS YOU ALLUDED TO A, YOU DO HAVE A SCALE ISSUE AT THE VERY MINIMUM BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING, UH, WHAT IS A SIDE ELEVATION THAT I GUESS IS SOMEWHAT VISIBLE FROM THE, FROM THE EAST, UH, AVENUE? IS THAT RIGHT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT PART OF THE HOUSE, SO YOU ONLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HALF THAT ELEVATION AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONNECT IT TO A, A, A COMPATIBLE ELEVATION. 
          UH, SO IT'D BE ONE THING IF IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK, BUT IT'S NOT. 
          SO I I, IF, IF THIS MOTION, IF, IF, IF THIS REQUEST IS GRANTED AS YOU HEARD, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN HAVE APPROVED PLANS OR REVIEW OUR REVIEW AND, AND RELEASE THE PLANS FOR WHAT'S NEW BEFORE YOU CAN TAKE ANYTHING DOWN. 
          SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT ARBITRARY LINE WHERE YOU'VE DRAWN IT, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY STUDIED THAT AND KNOW FOR SURE THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, THAT YOU WOULD BE GENEROUS AND MAYBE ADD MORE OR KEEP MORE OF THAT SITE ELEVATION IF YOU NEEDED IT TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S COME UP TO MAYBE WE ARE MAINTAINING MORE OF THAT SIDE ELEVATION ALONG EAST SIDE DRIVE AND NOT JUST CHOPPING THE BUILDING IN HALF. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, AS AN OPTION. 
          BUT WE'RE, WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF LIKE THE DESIGN PROCESS, SO THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND THEN AS YOU MENTIONED, ALSO TAKING USE OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, UH, WE'LL ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO INTERFACE WITH OUR ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, UH, NOTED THAT, UH, THE AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER'S SET FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT, UH, THAT IS A PERFECT WAY TO HAVE INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS, UH, MORE GENERALLY BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. 
          AND WE'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS HERE FOR THE ARCHITECT COMMISSIONER? SOME QUESTIONS? UM, APPRECIATE SEEING SOMEONE USE THE HOME INITIATIVE. 
          I KNOW THE PRESERVATION BONUS WENT THROUGH SOME CHANGES. 
          AND CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO KEEP THE FRONT PORTION OF THE EXISTING HOME IN ORDER TO BUILD THE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES? AND IF SO, IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE FIRST 15 FEET OR, OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT'S STRUCTURED? UH, WELL WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT, WE'RE STILL WITHIN THE, OUR ALLOWABLE FAR, UM, SO WE'RE NOT NEEDING TO EMPLOY THE PRESERVATION 
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BONUS OKAY. 
          WITH, WITH OUR CURRENT SCHEME. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARY CURRENTLY. 
          AND WAS THAT BRAKE LINE ARBITRARY? UM, WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING FACADE AND WINDOW LOCATIONS AND, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON SORT OF COMPOSING THAT, THAT FACADE ELEVATION ALONG, UH, EAST SIDE DRIVE AND THAT BRAKE LINE FALLS ABOUT AT THE FRONT OF THE BATHROOM WINDOW. 
          UM, YI DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BATHROOM WINDOW OFFHAND OR THE SMALLER RAISED WINDOW. 
          Y YEAH, I'D HAVE TO, IT LOOKS LIKE TWO BEDROOMS WITH A BATHROOM IN BETWEEN. 
          JUST LOOKING AT THE YEAH, YEAH. 
          IF THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST BEYOND THAT. 
          IT'S JUST A SMALLER WINDOW, HIGHER WINDOW IN THE CENTER FOR A RANDOM REASON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          IT'S  AND THAT, THAT ELEVATION IS PRETTY WELL SCREENED BY TREES AND THE CHANGE IN ELEVATION FROM THE STREET, UM, TO THAT, THAT UPPER GRADE LEVEL, UM, IT APPEARS LIKE THERE'S EVEN A PARKING STRUCTURE AT THIS POINT. 
          AND THERE, THERE IS CURRENTLY A CARPORT ADJACENT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE, UH, ARCHITECT? JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          HOW MANY TREES WOULD Y'ALL HAVE TO REMOVE? 'CAUSE I SEE SEVERAL LIVE OAKS ON THERE. 
          UM, WE, SO IN THE ARBORIST REPORT HE HAS RECOMMENDED REMOVING TWO OF THE TREES ON SITE AND, UM, MITIGATING THE REMOVAL OF THOSE TREES. 
          THERE WERE STRUCTURAL ISSUES, UM, THAT HE CITES IN HIS REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, IS THERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, WILLINGNESS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND, AND LET US KNOW WHERE THINGS STAND. 
          UH, ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS HERE? YES, WE HAVE A SPEAKER, UH, FRIEND, FRANCISCO PASANTE IN OPPOSITION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          AND NOW THIS IS THE FIRST SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION, SO YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO BE ABLE TO STATE YOUR CASE. 
          UH, YES. 
          UH, MY NAME IS FRANCISCO PASANTE. 
          I LIVE ON TRA SITES AND I GO BY THIS HOUSE ALMOST EVERY DAY. 
          I THINK THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION JUST AT THE INTERSECTION OF MONROE AND, UH, THE OTHER STREET. 
          AND, UH, BECAUSE IT IS A, UM, A SORT OF MEDIATOR BETWEEN THE BUILT PART AND THE PARK BELOW, UH, THAT HOUSE IS QUITE CRUCIAL TO THE CHARACTER OF THIS, THIS AREA. 
          AND I WAS VERY GRATIFIED TO SEE THAT, UM, THERE IS NOW A PROPOSAL TO KEEP HALF OF THIS BUILDING ON THE ALONG MON MONROE. 
          UM, BUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT I'M STRUCK BY IS THAT WHAT IS KEPT IS VERY SMALL AND THE DEMOLITION BEHIND IT OF THE SECOND HALF OF THIS HOUSE AND OF THE NEXT ONE IS VERY BIG. 
          AND THE POTENTIAL, SO THE POTENTIAL FOR THE NEW BUILDING IS ALSO VERY BIG. 
          AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PROPOSAL OF WHAT IS COMING. 
          AND SO MY SENSE IS THAT WE CANNOT REALLY JUDGE WHETHER THAT WE CANNOT REALLY JUDGE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF KEEPING THIS PART, UH, THAT WE SEE HERE IN THE PICTURE. 
          UM, WE CANNOT JUDGE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THAT UNTIL WE SEE WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD BEHIND IT. 
          AND, UM, WHICH COULD BE VERY BIG OR NOT. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY. 
          SO UNTIL THEN, THERE IS, UNTIL WE CAN SEE THE PROPOSAL FOR WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT, I THINK THAT, 
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I DON'T THINK THAT THE DEMOLITION SHOULD BE APPROVED. 
          OF COURSE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE PROTOCOLS THAT, AND WHETHER YOU ARE, UH, EMPOWERED TO DENY THE DEMOLITION UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING INSTEAD. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR SPEAKER? OKAY. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IN THAT CASE, MR. MCCOMB, UH, AS THE PRIMARY SPEAKER, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, IF YOU WISH TO OFFER A REBUTTAL AS WE KNOW THIS, IT'S JUST THIS FIRST STEP IN THIS PROCESS. 
          THE ARCHITECTS ARE VERY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT, UM, WE PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN OF FIVE 14. 
          AND PRESERVING THE TREES, UH, IS A PRIMARY CONSIDERATION, UH, MR. AND BE AND THE, UH, BARTLET TREE COMPANY RECOGNIZED, UH, FIVE SEVEN, UH, LIVE OAK TREES THAT ARE, UH, PROTECTED. 
          UH, THE ONE THAT THEY SAID SHOULD, COULD BE REMOVED AND WAS IN POOR CONDITION. 
          IT'S THE 19 INCH ONE. 
          UH, THEY GIVE THE, UH, 70.5 INCH DIAMETER OAK THAT IS ON THE CORNER OF THE STREETS. 
          UH, A GOOD CONDITION. 
          AND THAT IS THE VERY ONE THAT IS THE KEY TO THIS. 
          THE ELEVATION CHANGE BETWEEN, UH, EAST DRIVE AND AND MONROE AS IT'S GOING DOWN, UH, TOWARD THE BACK OF THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AT FIVE 14 IS ABOUT 15 FEET. 
          SO IT'S HARD TO SEE, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF THESE TREE COVER THAT IS BETWEEN, UH, THE STREETS AND THE LOT. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH AND WE HOPE YOU WILL ALLOW US TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE FIRST STEP OF GETTING THE DEMOLITION, UH, PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BRING ALL OUR PLANS BACK TO YOU AND THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY TRY TO, I'LL BE ENCOURAGING TO MAKE THAT DECEMBER THE 10TH MEETING, 'CAUSE THAT MAY SEEMS TO BE REALISTIC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, MR. MCCOMB? OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          ARE THERE ANY MORE SPEAKERS? THEN I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO COMMISSIONER LAROCHE, IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER ACTON. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          THEREFORE, UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. 
          I MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS MEETING TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING TO POSTPONE THE ITEM, UH, REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER COOK. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? I, UH, FOR DISCUSSION SAKE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK. 
          YEAH, I HESITATE TO DO IT BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE TELL PEOPLE TO DO, BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERN WITH, YOU KNOW, I SUSPECT THERE'S GONNA BE AN OUTSIZED ADDITION THAT HOPEFULLY DOESN'T MAKE THE RETENTION OF THE FRONT LOOK COMICAL. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT. 
          AND AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK THE DESIGN NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          ADDITION DESIGN SHOULD BE DEVELOPED WELL ENOUGH TO INFORM WHERE WE'RE APPROVING THE DEMOLITION UP TO. 
          BUT I, I AM GENERALLY, AND I THINK THEY HAVE TIME TO WORK ON THIS, AND THEY WILL BE WORKING THIS OVER THE MONTH ANYWAY. 
          UM, AND I'M VERY MUCH INCLINED TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION WHEN THE TIME COMES. 
          UH, JUST THINK HOW IT'S EXECUTED IS GONNA BE KEY IN HOW IT LOOKS. 
          BUT AGAIN, VERY MUCH WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS APPROACH. 
          'CAUSE WE SAY IT ALL THE TIME, THAT'S HOW WE CAN SAVE THE STREET FACING FACADE. 
          BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THE LOCATION AND THE ADDITION BEFORE WE RELEASE IT. 
          AND IN ANY CASE, AS A DEMOLITION PERMIT, WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION BEFORE RELEASING THE DEMOLITION PERMIT OR BEFORE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT IS RELEASED ANYWAY. 
          BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME CLARITY ON WHERE THAT'S GONNA FALL RELATIVE TO THE ADDITION DESIGN AND AS THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION. 
          UM, I'M, I'M VERY AWARE THIS IS A REQUEST FOR DEMOLISHING A PARTIALLY, UH, OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT VERY 
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SERIOUSLY. 
          THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, AS WE UNDERSTOOD, CAME TO US AS A FULL DEMOLITION. 
          IT IS NOW PARTIAL, UH, WITH THE MOST SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT. 
          THE STREET FACING FACADE, UH, AT LEAST AT A MINIMUM LEVEL INDICATED, UH, AS PART OF THE PRESERVATION. 
          AND AS COMMISSIONER COOK NOTED, THE SETUP RIGHT NOW, UH, ALLOWS THIS TO REMAIN INTACT UNTIL THERE IS THE REVIEW AND THE SUBMITTAL AND, AND, AND ULTIMATELY THE RELEASE OF THE NEW PACKAGE OF, OF DRAWINGS. 
          SO IT STILL GIVES US LEVERAGE. 
          UH, I WILL ARGUE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE LEVERAGE IF THE DEMOLITION PERMIT HASN'T BEEN GRANTED. 
          BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, IF WE DON'T LOCK THIS IN, UH, WHO'S TO SAY THAT WE MIGHT COME BACK WITH A TOTAL DEMOLITION REQUEST? SO EVEN THOUGH I WAS THE SECONDER, I THINK I PROBABLY WILL NOT BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, UH, IN THIS CASE, HAVING THEM COME BACK AND SHOW US WHAT THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH, HAVING OBVIOUSLY FOUGHT IT THROUGH, UH, I BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH LEVERAGE STILL, UH, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT. 
          I TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE LEVERAGE ONCE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT IS GRANTED BECAUSE IT EVENTUALLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE COMMENTS AND WE HAVE NO LEVERAGE. 
          WE'LL MAKE COMMENTS ONCE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT IS GRANTED. 
          IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THOUGH, IF IT'S RELEASED WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL, IF IT JUST TIMES OUT, THEN THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT ULTIMATELY IS WHETHER WE START, START THE DEMOLITION TIMING CLOCK OR NOT, IS REALLY WHAT IT COMES OUT TO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I COMMISSIONER ROCHE. 
          UH, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WHILE I'M SYMPATHETIC WITH COMMISSIONER COOK'S POSITION, I I THINK THAT THE ARCHITECTS HAVE IN GENERAL OPERATED IN GOOD FAITH. 
          AND, AND I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A LEAP OF FAITH WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER HESSET, THAT, THAT I'M GONNA S I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION EITHER IN HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MR. ACTON? UM, I'M KIND OF GOING ALONG WITH CHUCK HERE ON THAT AND I HAVE, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, IT IS, IT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT'S TEETERING RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF BEING SALVAGEABLE VERSUS NOT. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WENT THIS WAY AND NOT THE OTHER WAY. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, THE PROPERTY THAT'S DOWN LOWER IS, IS IN VERY BAD SHAPE COMPARED TO THE UPPER ONE. 
          UM, SO THAT ONE IS, IS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PROBABLY NOT SALVAGEABLE, BUT THE UPPER ONE ISN'T. 
          BUT I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT MAYBE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN DO ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE DRIVE SIDE, UM, WOULD BE A NICE REVISIT GIVEN THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE THE UNIQUE, YOU'RE ON A CORNER, SO YOU'VE KIND OF GOT THE TWO VIEWS OF IT, BUT I WILL ALSO PROBABLY BE VOTING AGAINST ON THIS ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENT BEFORE WE CALL THE QUESTION? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          I SEE ONE HAND RAISED, TWO HANDS RAISED, UH, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. 
          1, 2, 3, 4, 5, UH, COMMISSIONER BROGAN. 
          SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ANY ABSTAIN? ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER PLEASANT WRIGHT ABSTAINS, BUT THAT SIX DOES GIVE US A QUORUM VOTE. 
          AND SO, UH, WELL, NO, IT, IT WAS NOT, NOT SUFFICIENT TO, TO, UH, HAVE A QUORUM VOTE IN FAVOR. 
          IF THE MOTION FAILS AND I WILL ENTERTAIN AN ALTERNATE MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND RELEASE A DEMOLITION PARTIAL DEMOLITION PERMIT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER ACTON. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER ROCHE. 
          ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER ACTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS YOUR MOTION FURTHER? UH, NOTHING ADD TO, NOTHING TO ADD TO WHAT I ALREADY HAD STATED BEFORE. 
          COMMISSIONER LAROCHE? YEAH, IT, GRANTED, IT'S A, IT'S A SHALLOW VICTORY, BUT NONETHELESS, I, I THINK ONE THAT IS A POSITIVE WE CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'LL JUST SAY, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE REALLY DO HAVE TO DIG IN AND SAY, LOOK, THE DEMOLITION IS JUST NOT APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN US WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY. 
          AND THE TWO ARE REALLY TIED TOGETHER. 
          I THINK IN THIS CASE, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROPOSAL COMING 
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TO US IF THEY HADN'T GIVEN IT SOME THOUGHT. 
          THERE'S A FAIRLY UNIQUE LOT IN THAT THE ELEVATION CHANGE. 
          UH, I, I, I HAVE A, A FEEL IN THIS CASE THAT, UH, AND IT WASN'T STATED, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE TIMES WHERE I KNOW AN OWNER NEEDS CERTAINTY. 
          AND SO MORE DISCUSSIONS AND MORE KICKING THIS DOWN THE ROAD MAY NOT ADVANCE THIS. 
          UH, THEY CHANGED THEIR DIRECTION EARLIER IN A POSITIVE WAY. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY MY MOTIVATION IS TO CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE, UM, EVEN MORE POSITIVE DIRECTION IN THIS SITUATION. 
          NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION RELEASE, THE PARTIAL DEFINITION PERMIT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED, ONE, TWO. 
          AND ANY ABSTAINING. 
          AND ONE ABSTAINING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT IS A SIX VOTE THAT IS SUFFICIENT. 
          AND THE MOTION PASSES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, THAT 
          [10. PR-2025-088150; HR-2025-113285 – 2514 Wooldridge Dr.  Old West Austin National Register Historic District  Council District 10]
BRINGS US TO OUR LAST DISCUSSION. 
          ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 10. 
          OH, NOPE. 
          SECOND TO LAST, SORRY. 
          UH, ITEM NUMBER 10 ON WIL BRIDGE DRIVE. 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          CALL CONTRERAS, CITY OF AUSTIN HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR, UH, HANGING IN THERE. 
          I, UH, GONNA KEEP THIS QUITE SHORT. 
          I BROKE MY ARM YESTERDAY AND I'M NOT FEELING TIP TOP, SO, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. 
          UM, AND, UH, THANKS FOR HANGING IN THERE AS I'M NOT USUALLY VIRTUAL. 
          UM, ITEM 10 IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE CIRCA 1938 CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. 
          UH, THIS HAS BEEN TO Y'ALL, I BELIEVE, UH, ONE OR ONCE OR TWICE BEFORE. 
          UH, THIS IS A TWO STORY GEORGIAN REVIVAL HOUSE WITH A CURVED PORTICO, SYMMETRICAL SHUTTERED WINDOWS BRICK VENEER, AND A SIDE GABLE ROOF WITH ADDED DORMERS. 
          IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1938 FOR CLARENCE MCCULLOUGH AND HIS FAMILY MCCULLOUGH, WHO BEGAN HIS CAREER AS ASSISTANT CASHIER AT THE SECURITY TRUST COMPANY, SLOWLY ROSE IN PROMINENCE AS A BANKER. 
          EVENTUALLY HE PARTNERED WITH RANCHER AND FELLOW REAL ESTATE BROKER, DR. JOSEPH KOENIG, TO DEVELOP THE VIOLET CROWN HEIGHTS SUBDIVISIONS BETWEEN 1946 AND 1948. 
          LENDING KOENIG'S NAME TO ONE OF ITS MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS IN 1950 AND 1951, THEY BUILT THE ADJACENT VIOLET CROWN SHOPPING CENTER. 
          MCCULLOUGH AND KANIG MAINTAINED OFFICES AT THE VIOLET CROWN SHOPPING CENTER AND CLARENCE MCCULLOUGH'S SON, WHO LIVED AT 25 14 WILDRIDGE DRIVE THROUGHOUT HIS TIME. 
          THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS LATER BECAME THE CENTER'S MANAGER MCCULLOUGH AND HIS WIFE RUTH, LIVED AT THE HOUSE ON WOOLRIDGE DRIVE UNTIL AT LEAST THE 1980S. 
          PROPERTIES MUST MEET TWO CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          UM, AND STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINED THAT IT MAY MEET TWO CRITERIA. 
          IT DOES RETAIN MODERATE INTEGRITY AS WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED AND A REAR SECOND FLOOR ADDITION WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1996. 
          SIDE ELEVATIONS WERE ALTERED AT THIS TIME, BUT DORMER WINDOWS AT THE FRONT ELEVATION ARE VISIBLE IN A PHOTO TAKEN DURING A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE PROVIDED BY A VERY THOUGHTFUL MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. 
          IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED AND VIEWABLE IN YOUR BACKUP. 
          UH, THE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED IN THE GEORGIAN REVIVAL STYLE AND IS ASSOCIATED WITH CLARENCE MCCULLOUGH DEVELOPER OF VIOLET CROWN HEIGHTS IN THE, IN THE VIOLET CROWN SHOPPING CENTER. 
          THUS, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER MCCULLOUGH'S ROLE AS CO-DEVELOPER OF THE VIOLET CROWN HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD AND VIOLET CROWN SHOPPING CENTER HAVE SUFFICIENT IMPACT ON AUSTIN'S HISTORY TO OFFSET THE BUILDING'S POTENTIAL INTEGRITY ISSUES WHEN EVALUATING FOR LANDMARK ELIGIBILITY. 
          IF NOT, STAFF RECOMMENDS ENCOURAGING REHABILITATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE, THEN RELOCATION OR DECONSTRUCTION AND SALVAGE, BUT APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? YES, COMMISSIONER LAROCHE? UH, I GUESS ONE QUESTION IS SAME PROPERTY LOCATION, RIGHT? IS THERE A REASON WE'RE NOT TAKING THESE IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER? THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT THESE ITEMS BE TAKEN SEPARATELY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ONE OF THEM IS THE DEMOLITION AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE BUILDING THAT WOULD TAKE ITS PLACE ASSUMING THE DEMOLITION PERMIT IS GRANTED? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UH, AND THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS YOU'RE REFERRING TO? UM, I I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEEDED THAT , SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I I AM WONDERING DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION OF THE FIREPLACE, THE CHIMNEY BEING ALSO A LATER ADDITION BECAUSE, UH, CONSIDERING THE ANGLE OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH, THE TREE OF THESE TWO PHOTOGRAPHS, THE TREE DOES SEEM TO OBSCURE MOST OF IT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD SEE SOME OF THAT CHIMNEY IN ONE OR THE OTHER OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          AND I'M SURPRISED WE DON'T, I DON'T 
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HAVE PERMIT EVIDENCE CHAIR, AND IT'S SORT OF MY SUSPICION THAT THE CHIMNEY, UH, AS IT IS A BOX CHIMNEY WAS ADDED DURING THE NINETIES RENOVATIONS TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE PERMITS TO SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, THAT PHOTO IS PROBABLY THE BEST ONE THAT WE HAVE OF THIS, UH, THIS HOUSE IN THE HISTORIC PERIOD. 
          YEAH, CERTAINLY THE ONE IN THE REAR I COULD UNDERSTAND, BUT I WAS SURPRISED THAT I WASN'T SEEING, UH, A CHIMNEY IN THE FRONT EITHER. 
          UH, AND THAT THAT APPEARS TO BE ALL, ALL MASONRY. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I CLEARLY THERE HAVE BEEN MODIFICATIONS TO THE HOUSE. 
          SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION. 
          UH, SHALL WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THE PRIMARY SPEAKER WILL HAVE, UH, UP TO FIVE MINUTES. 
          HELLO, PATRICK CRANE WITH PRACTICE AND ARCHITECTURAL OFFICE. 
          UH, JUST FIRST BEFORE I, I PRESENT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF EITHER OF US WERE AWARE THAT WE WERE TAKING THESE ON SEPARATELY. 
          SO THE PRESENTATION THAT I HAVE IS KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE DESIGN AND, UH, AND THE INTEGRITY ISSUES OF THE HOME. 
          IS THAT FINE TO DO THAT NOW AS I HAVE IT LAID OUT? WE, WE WERE UNAWARE THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE SEPARATE ITEMS AS THE OTHER TWO TIMES HAD BEEN HERE, THEY'D BEEN TOGETHER. 
          WELL, LET ME ASK, UH, STAFF, BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO HAVE THEM SEPARATE. 
          YES, IT WAS, IT WAS A REQUEST AT A RC THAT WE DO THEM SEPARATELY, BUT WE CAN TAKE THEM TOGETHER. 
          UM, IF THE APPLICANT PREFERS THAT'S, IT'S REALLY, UM, UP TO Y'ALL THERE. 
          WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO TAKE 'EM TOGETHER, BUT WE CAN DO IT EITHER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE TWO ARE RELATED. 
          UH, I'LL RETAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 11, UH, AS WELL AS ITEM 10. 
          SO MOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER LAROCHE AND COMMISSIONER MCW. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND AND I SEE ALL HANDS RAISED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YES. 
          SO, UH, AT THIS POINT 
          [11. PR-2025-088150; HR-2025-113285 – 2514 Wooldridge Dr.  Old West Austin National Register Historic District  Council District 10 ]
IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BOTH TALK ABOUT THE, UH, EXISTING BUILDING AND THE PROPOSED PLANS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO DO WE NEED TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM STAFF ON THE SECOND ITEM BEFORE I SPEAK OR I SHOULD JUST PRESENT? UH, LET ME ASK, UH, MS. CONTRERAS, THAT'S ALSO AT THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT. 
          UM, IT'S PRETTY BRIEF. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          UH, SINCE WE HAVE NOW ADDED, UH, THE ITEM, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE STAFF'S REPORT ON ITEM NUMBER 11. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, THE PROPOSAL FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY RESIDENCE, UH, WITH A COVERED PATIO AND A GUEST HOUSE. 
          THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE CONSTRUCTED ACROSS TWO LOCKS AND THE MAIN BUILDING HAS AN IRREGULAR PLAN AND ROOF LINE AS WELL AS FENESTRATION, UH, WITH STONE VEER CLA CLADDING. 
          IT'S, UH, SIDE GD ELEVATION WITH STONE CLA LOGIA FACES THE MAIN STREET CAPE STREET SCAPE WITH A FULL HEIGHT SET OF GLAZED FENESTRATION BEYOND THE GUEST HOUSE ATTACHED WITH THE COVERED BREEZEWAY IS SET BACK AT AN ANGLE AND FEATURES SIMILAR MATERIALS DETAILING AND HEIGHT AS THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS ARE BASED ON THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION AND ARE USED TO EVALUATE PROJECTS IN NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICTS. 
          UH, STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE PROJECT AND, UH, DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT SOMEWHAT MEETS THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS. 
          SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO COMMENT ON THE PLANS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RELEASE THE PLANS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, NOW WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, PRESENT ON BOTH ITEMS. AWESOME, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, SO THIS IS THE RENDERING OF OUR PROPOSAL, WHICH HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO MEET HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          UH, AND I THINK YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE PACKET THAT YOU GOT STAFF, UH, EVALUATION OF THE DESIGN AFTER WE WENT TO THE A RC THE LAST TIME HAS BEEN PRETTY HEAVILY AMENDED TO SAY THAT IT'S, UH, FOR THE MOST PART CONFORMING. 
          UM, AND, UH, THE PROJECT WHILE CONTEMPORARY IS INSPIRED BY AN EMPLOYS MATERIALS SCALE, MASSING AND FORM THAT REFERENCES THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE OF THE DISTRICT, A CAREFUL ATTENTION HAS BEEN PAID TO THE MASSING HEIGHT AND POSITIONING ON THE LOT TO ALLOW THE HOME TO RELATE WELL TO THE DIVERSE SCALES OF HOMES NEARBY. 
          UH, THE FACADE WAS DESIGNED TO RECEDE INTO THE LOT, MAKING THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOME MUCH LESS WIDE THAN SEVERAL OF ITS IMMEDIATE CONTRIBUTING NEIGHBORS. 
          UH, THE ARCHED FENESTRATION, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FEW TIMES ON THE DOUBLE VOLUME ENTRY, HAS AN IRREGULAR RHYTHM. 
          THIS DECISION WAS MADE AS A MEANS OF MAKING LEGIBLE THE FACT THAT THE SMALLER ARCH IS ENCLOSING AN EXTERIOR ENTRY COURTYARD AS WELL AS A MEANS OF, UH, STEPPING DOWN THE SCALE OF THE FENESTRATION. 
          AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE STACKED TWO STEREO TWO STORY HOME TO THE RIGHT, WE 
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FEEL LIKE THE SMALLER ARCH NOT ONLY WORKS AESTHETICALLY, BUT DOES A GOOD JOB OF SHAKING HANDS WITH THE NEIGHBOR. 
          AND THE NEXT SLIDE THAT I WANT TO LOOK AT ARE THESE, THESE ARE AND KIND OF STAFF HAS ADJUSTED THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MATERIALITY AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO THESE ARE, AND AND YOU'VE HAD THESE FOR, FOR A WHILE, BUT THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF, OF NOT ONLY ARCADES, BUT MATERIALS THAT WE'RE USING, UH, IN THE PROJECT THAT MAKE IT, UH, CONFORM WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          AND THEN IF WE CAN MOVE TO THE, THE KIND OF GOOGLE, THE AERIAL VIEW WITH THE OUTLINES. 
          YEAH, SO MASS AND AND CONTEXT IS KIND OF MY NEXT THING TO PRESENT ON. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS ANNOTATED AERIAL VIEW OF THE BLOCK, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SCALE OF OUR DESIGN IS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE OTHER CONTRIBUTING HOUSES IN THE AREA AT 89 FEET WIDE. 
          IT'S MUCH SMALLER THAN IT'S 94 AND 143 FOOT WIDE CONTRIBUTING NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET. 
          AND THERE ARE SEVERAL HOUSES OF SIMILAR WIDTH, UH, ON THE BLOCK SURROUNDING. 
          UM, AND THEN CAN WE GO TO THE IMAGES THAT WERE JUST BEFORE THIS SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING HOUSE? I THINK THERE'S ONE PAGE BEFORE THIS. 
          PERFECT. 
          UM, AND SO THESE IMAGES SHOW THAT THE HOME HAS BEEN HEAVILY MODIFIED AS WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT ALREADY TODAY OVER THE YEARS. 
          UH, THERE'S BEEN AN ADDITION OF A THIRD STORY IN A PREVIOUS ATTIC SPACE. 
          UH, THE REAR AND SIDE EXPANSION OF THE HOUSE HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, UH, FROM ITS ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, THE ROOF WAS REMOVED AND RAISED, UH, TO MEET THE, THE NEW DEPTH OF THE HOME TO THE BACK. 
          IT APPEARS TO ME, UH, AND UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE FRAMING IS, IS NEWLY DONE IN THE, IN THE ATTIC, IN THOSE, IN THOSE VIDEOS OR IN THOSE IMAGES. 
          UH, AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE THAT WHEN THE ROOF WAS, WAS REFRAMED, UH, IT LOOKS TO ME THAT THE DORMERS HAD TO BE EXTENDED BACK, UH, QUITE A DISTANCE TO MEET THE NEW ROOF PLANE AS THE, THE ROOF VOLUME WAS, WAS KIND OF RE RECONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, ALSO THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED IN THE ENTIRE HOME, UH, AND SOME OF THE WINDOWS FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE HAD BEEN REUSED IN THE UPSTAIRS ATTIC. 
          UH, AND I, I THINK THAT, UH, THE MATERIALS ALSO ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE DON'T MATCH THE, THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE AT THE BEGINNING. 
          AND, UH, IT'S, UH, WITH, WITH THIS MUCH ALTERATION AND IN THIS MUCH, UH, LIKE HAVING IT DONE IN A NON-CONFORMING MATTER MANNER, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE, UH, THAT THE BUILDING CAN MEET THE, THE KINDA LANDMARK DESIGNATION ON ITS OWN WHEN CONSIDERED, UH, BY THOSE STANDARDS. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. 
          IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER? HI, MY NAME IS LINDA SULLIVAN AND I'M HERE TO, UM, SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY NEIGHBORS OVER THE PAST TWO, UH, MEETINGS. 
          THERE WAS ONE NEIGHBOR WHO SPOKE LAST WEEK AND COMMENTED THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING GEORGIAN REVIVAL STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THAT GAVE ME PAUSE. 
          SO I WENT BACK AND DID A SURVEY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STARTED JUST ON WOOLDRIDGE DRIVE AND FOUND THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY 11 RESIDENCES ON WOOLDRIDGE DRIVE THAT ARE GEORGIAN REVIVALS AND ARE MUCH BETTER EXAMPLES OF PRESERVATION OF THAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE. 
          UM, SO AFTER COUNTING UP ALL OF THE RESIDENCES ON THE STREET, AND THEN I LOOKED BACK INTO PEMBERTON AS A WHOLE AND FOUND SOME MORE, BUT JUST ON WILDRIDGE DRIVE 11 HOUSES, THAT'S 15% OF ALL THE HOUSES ALONG WILDRIDGE DRIVE THAT ARE GEORGIAN REVIVALS. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT, IT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A RELATIVE TERM SAYING IT'S ONE OF THE LAST ONES, BUT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OTHER EXAMPLES, MUCH BETTER EXAMPLES OF GEORGIAN REVIVAL THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AS HEAVILY ALTERED AS THIS ONE. 
          UM, ANOTHER CONCERN THAT A RESIDENT, UM, BROUGHT UP WAS FLOODING AND DRAINAGE, BUT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED DURING THE DESIGN DSDS REVIEW OF THE, OF THE NEW APPLICATION PERMIT. 
          UM, AND THEN OUR FINAL POINT WOULD BE THAT ALTHOUGH CLARENCE MCCULLOUGH AND UM, AND DR. 
          KOENIG WERE VERY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY WELL ESTABLISHED MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE FABRIC OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          THEY, THROUGH VIOLET CROWN AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE SECURED THEIR PLACE IN AUSTIN'S HISTORY. 
          AND THIS SPECIFIC RESIDENCE IS PROBABLY NOT NECESSARY IN BEING RETAINED TO MAINTAIN THEIR IMPACT ON THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          UM, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE OUT ABOUT THIS, BOTH PRO AND CON. 
          UM, 21 PEOPLE HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION IN FAVOR OF 
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THE DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION, AND 15 NEIGHBORS HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS IN OPPOSITION OF THE DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, AND I CHECKED THAT BEFORE WE CAME IN. 
          THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS JUST SUBMITTED THIS AFTERNOON IN OPPOSITION AT ABOUT ONE 15. 
          SO THAT WAS COMPLETELY UP TO DATE. 
          AND I REVIEWED ALL OF THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE ADDRESS, ALL THEIR CONCERNS WERE ADDRESSED IN THE COMMENTS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION OF THE, THE, UH, THE, THE APPLICATION? THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN OPPOSITION? NO, THERE'S NO, NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SO SECOND, COMMISSIONER COOK, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROCHE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND, AND I SEE IT AS UNANIMOUS. 
          THE MOTION, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I'LL MOVE TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PACKAGE PENDING THE CITY OF AUSTIN POLICE AND DEMOLITION PERMIT PENDING CITY AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, AND TO, UH, MAKE OUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE NEW DESIGN THIS EVENING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND A SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER ATKIN. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER COOK? YEAH, I WANTED TO, TO JUMP ON THIS ONE BECAUSE WE TALKED AT LENGTH AT THE LAST ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, MEETING, AND I HATE TO VOTE AGAINST THE INTEREST OF ADVOCATES FOR PRESERVATION AND APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING HERE. 
          AND, UM, NO ONE CAN SAY THIS PROPERTY HASN'T GOTTEN, ITS, ITS, ITS DUE HERE AND ITS FULL DISCUSSION. 
          UM, AND DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE ADVOCACY, BUT, UM, PARTICULARLY AGAINST OWNERS' WISHES IN TERMS OF THIS BEING POTENTIAL LANDMARK, THE INTEGRITY TO ME WAS WHAT ELIMINATED IT. 
          UM, I THINK THE PHOTOS, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE RESEARCH TO SHOW, FIND THE PHOTOS, BUT THEY SHOWED THAT THE DORMERS WERE MOVED UP. 
          THEY WERE FARTHER FROM THE EDGE, SO WHEN THEY MADE THE ENTIRE BUILDING LARGER, THEY MOVED THE DORMERS UP TO BE ROUGHLY IN PROPORTION TO WHERE THEY WERE ON THE ROOF. 
          BUT, UH, THERE WAS A PROPERTY IN BOLDEN, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, A MASONRY PROPERTY THAT, UH, HAD A REAR ADDITION THAT FULLY EXTENDED THE REAR ADDITION, BUT IT MAINTAINED ROOF LINES. 
          AND THE CHARACTER OF THAT PROPERTY WAS THE FRONT, WAS THE, IN THE STONEWORK AND THE DETAILS IN THE FRONT FACADE. 
          AND THIS GEORGIAN STYLE IS VERY SIMPLE, AND A LARGE PART OF IT IS THE OVERALL PROPORTIONS OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND IT HAVING BEEN ENLARGED IN THIS WAY, UH, THAT IN ADDITION WITH THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS NOT BEING TERRIBLY STRONG, I JUST COULDN'T ASK STAFF TO TRY TO, UH, PUSH THIS AGAINST OWNERS WISHES, UM, TO PLANNING AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S LANDMARK WORTHY, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT IT. 
          AND, UH, SO THAT WAS THAT SIDE OF IT. 
          AND IN TERMS OF THE NEW DESIGN, IT IS DEFINITELY CONTEMPORARY, BUT I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION WITH THE PHOTOS OF OTHER CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES. 
          THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES, BUT IT SHOWED DIRECTLY THE REFERENCES THAT WERE REFERENCED IN A CONTEMPORARY WAY. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN EXACT STYLE TO BE USED, WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING NOT TO STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. 
          AND I, I THINK PARTICULARLY WITH THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING, I THINK IT WAS SHOWN THAT IT'S A BIT LARGER THAN OTHERS, BUT IT'S NOT WIDER THAN OTHERS. 
          AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A TOWERING, IT'S NOT GONNA STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WITH THE CONTEMPORARY DESIGN, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA RELATE TO AND SPEAK TO THE HISTORIC PATTERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY WOULD BE A TOPIC FOR CON FOR DISCUSSION AND PROBABLY A LOT OF DIFFERING OPINIONS ON WHETHER THAT BELONGED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT I THINK THE ARGUMENT WAS MADE IN THAT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, SO I STILL AM NOT HAPPY WITH THE ASYMMETRICAL ARCHES, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE DONE AND DONE IN THE INTEREST OF BLENDING IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, AND THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY REMAINING COMMENT FROM A TRINARY POINT OF VIEW. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ACTON. 
          UM, I'M MOSTLY IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER COOK ON THIS, AND I, UM, IT'S HARD TO LOSE SOMETHING, BUT SOMEONE HAD ALREADY KIND OF BUILT ONTO IT ENOUGH TO KIND OF, IT HAS ALREADY KINDA LOST. 
          UM, AND THEN I APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE THROUGH THIS. 
          YOU'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES, UM, AND I ALSO APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING THROUGH THE PRO, THE, THE FORS AND AGAINST AND, AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          THAT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HATE TO LOSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT IT OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE HAPPY ABOUT IT EITHER. 
          LIKE, I, I LIKE THE, I LIKE TO PROCESS IT ON THIS ONE, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER CONVERSATION? ANY DISCUSSION? MR. BROTHER? UM, THANK YOU . 
          I, I THINK, UM, YOU'VE BEEN VERY PLEASANT TO WORK WITH AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU HANGING IN THERE THROUGH ALL OF THIS. 
          UM, SO JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND, UM, CARING ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WAS IMPORTANT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, AGAIN, OUR, OUR PURVIEW HERE 
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IS TO COMMENT ON THE DESIGN AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THE ARCHES. 
          I ALSO APPRECIATE THE PRECEDENT THAT YOU SHOWED FOR THE ARCHES. 
          I WOULD INDICATE TO YOU THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THOSE ARCHES ARE HISTORICALLY AND HOW THEY'RE USED, THEY ADHERE TO CLASSICAL PROPORTIONS. 
          AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE SCREEN IN FRONT. 
          IT'S DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE BIG BLOCK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE SLID THE THIRD ARCH DOWN. 
          AND, UH, I WILL HAVE TO QUOTE MY OLD PROFESSOR, ROBERT AM STERN. 
          HE SAID THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOLLOWING THE PRECEDENT FROM ALBERTE AND FOLLOWING A PRECEDENT FROM ALBERTE WHO RUNS THE ITALIAN PIZZA PLACE. 
          AND THIS IS STARTING TO SLIDE MORE TOWARDS THE PIZZA PLACE THAN THE CLASSICISTS. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE PROPORTIONS OF THAT. 
          EITHER ESTABLISH A STRING LINE OR DO SOMETHING. 
          IT'S JUST SO OBVIOUS THAT THEY HAVE MISSED EACH OTHER. 
          UH, A CLASSICAL, UH, ORIENTATION, EVEN IN A CONTEMPORARY DESIGN, I THINK NEEDS SOME RIGOR AND THAT'S MISSING IN THAT CORNER. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S OUR COMMENT. 
          SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A, THE ARCHE RESERVE , WE BEAT HIM UP ON THE ARCHES , WE REALLY DID. 
          UH, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND, UH, IT'S BEEN SECONDED. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          AND I SEE ALL HANDS RAISED, IT IS UNANIMOUS. 
          SO THE DEMOLITION PLAN IS APPROVED, AND WE'VE ALSO, UH, HAVE OUR COMMENTS, UH, IN THE REVIEW OF THE NEW PLANS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR STICKING WITH THE PROCESS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND COMMISSIONERS, THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF OUR DISCUSSION CASES. 
          AND THAT BRINGS US NOW 
          [25. Update from the Architectural Review Committee regarding comments from the October 8,  2025, meeting.  ]
TO THE COMMITTEE UPDATES. 
          AND THE FIRST OF THEM IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 25, AN UPDATE FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          AND AS USUAL, Y'ALL SAW THE RESULTS OF A LOT OF OUR WORK. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT CAME UP. 
          THE MILLER LONGHOUSE, THEY MADE A FEW CHANGES TO SOME PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ADDITIONS. 
          THAT'S A GREAT PROPERTY ACROSS FROM THE HANCOCK, HEB ON RED RIVER. 
          UM, BUT, BUT IT WAS WELL DONE, IT'S WORTH TAKING A LOOK. 
          UM, WE HAD ONE THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE COMING OUR WAY, FOUR 19 CONGRESS AVENUE. 
          THAT'S, UM, MEXICO CARTE MUSEUM. 
          UM, THEY ARE IN A BUILDING, A 19TH CENTURY BUILDING THAT WAS REMODELED IN THE THIRTIES, I BELIEVE, AND IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONGRESS AVENUE, UH, NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT. 
          BUT, UM, THE NEEDS OF THE MUSEUM AS AN ACCREDITED MUSEUM, UM, SEEMED TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH SIGNIFICANT RETENTION OF THE HISTORIC FACADES. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ONE THAT ULTIMATELY COMES TO US FOR DISCUSSION. 
          AND, UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, YOU MAY WANNA LISTEN TO THE RECORDING OF THE, THE MEETING TO KIND OF, KIND OF HEAR THAT DISCUSSION AND PREPARE YOURSELF FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, ALSO THE SIXTH STREET, UH, IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN CONGRESS AND IH 35 WAS A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE SIXTH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE, THE REINVESTMENT IN IT AND THE KIND OF GAMBLE WE TOOK THERE THAT, UH, WAS SOME OF THE ZONING CHANGES THAT, UH, APPEARS TO BE TURNING OUT VERY WELL. 
          AND THIS WAS KIND OF THE OTHER, THE OTHER SHOE TO DROP IN TERMS OF THE REMAKE OF SIXTH STREET. 
          AND THAT WAS THE TREATMENT OF THE, OF THE STREET, THE HOW MANY, HOW MANY LANES, WHERE THE BIKE PATHS, HOW WIDE ARE THE SIDEWALKS, HOW MANY TREES. 
          AND THAT ALSO MIGHT BE WORTH A LISTEN, UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS ON THAT RELATIVE TO, UM, THE GREAT STREETS PROGRAM VERSUS THE HISTORIC STREETS AND TCS ADVICE ON STREET TREES. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT NEXT TO, UH, CONGRESS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE CITY. 
          UH, AND THIS IS GONNA BE A MAJOR CHANGE. 
          AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD ALL START PREPARING OURSELVES FOR INPUT ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS FROM MEMBERS? WELL, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT ALL OF YOU DO IN THAT COMMITTEE. 
          I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING WE HAD AT 
          [26. Update from the Operations Committee regarding comments from the October 17, 2025,  meeting.  ]
OUR, UH, RETREAT, UH, A CHANCE TO RECONVENE THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE AND, UH, AS WE HAVE A REPORT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I WISH I HAD MY NOTEBOOK, UH, IN FRONT OF ME THAT ACTUALLY HAD MY NOTES FROM THE MEETING. 
          BUT, UM, WE DISCUSSED A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS, 
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UH, STARTING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE ITEMS, UH, THAT STAFF WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD AROUND, UM, POSSIBLE CHANGES IN THE COMING MONTHS. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE ANY OF THOSE SPECIFICALLY YET. 
          SO, UM, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, WE WERE DISCUSSING, UM, AT THE FORTHCOMING MEETING SETTING TOPICS, UM, AROUND, UH, REVIEWING SIGN STANDARDS AND, UM, OH MY GOSH, MY MIND IS TOTALLY BLANKING. 
          UM, THERE WAS A, OH MY GOSH, I'M SO SORRY. 
          DO YOU, UM, COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, YEAH, SO THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS SIGNAGE STANDARDS, UM, MIC. 
          OH, WE HAVE TO HIT THE MIC. 
          WE KICKED, UM, THE CODE CHANGES DOWN, UM, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T THROUGH LEGAL YET. 
          UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE THE, THE FOLLOWING, BUT ALSO, IF NOT, WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE GONNA ATTACK THE STRUCTURAL QUESTION, UM, WHICH IS, IS THAT WE'VE POSED BEFORE. 
          AND ON THAT ONE, UH, WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED, WE MIGHT ASK AND SEE IF COMMISSIONER LAROCHE COULD, WHAT, WHAT IS THE STRUCTURAL QUESTION OF IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN DEVELOP ANY LANGUAGE ABOUT WHAT OUR EXPECTATION IS WHEN PEOPLE COME BEFORE US AND SAY THAT THERE'S STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH A, WITH A BUILDING, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION OF WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE SAYING IT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE SOMEONE PROVIDE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER REPORT, BUT WE CAN STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A CLAIM THAT SOMETHING NEEDS DEMOED STRUCTURALLY, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVE THAT OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND NOT JUST SAY IT ON ITS FACE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE POINT OF DISCUSSION. 
          AND WE MIGHT TRY TO LOOP YOU INTO THAT IF YOU THINK YEAH, SIMILAR, SIMILAR CONVERSATION ABOUT, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF MENDS, THE BUILDING CODES ALL THE TIME WITH THEIR OWN PRESCRIPTIVE REQUIREMENTS, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE MOVE A BIT MORE TOWARDS THE EXISTING INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES RECOMMENDATIONS ON RIGHT. 
          WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL DAMAGE IN PARTICULAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALMOST LIKE THE CLASSIFICATIONS OF 1, 2, 3 KIND OF THINGS AND STUFF. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE CODE ITEMS ARE GONNA POP IN THERE. 
          WE KNOW SIGNAGE IS NEXT. 
          STRUCTURAL MIGHT BE AFTER THAT, OR IT MIGHT WAIT FOR THE CODE ITEMS, BUT WE'LL REACH OUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF SIT IN OR CALL INTO THAT OR, SURE. 
          AND, UM, AND WHAT, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER RICE. 
          OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, ONE OF THE, UH, OTHER BIG THINGS WE DISCUSSED WAS LIKE MAKING SURE WE SET ASIDE, UM, INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS TO DIVE DEEP ON EACH OF THESE, UH, ISSUES SUCH AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN REVIEW, BUT ALSO THE, THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES. 
          AND THEN, UH, WHENEVER THE CODE CHANGES DO COME UP, UH, WE'VE NOT SEEN THOSE YET. 
          AND, AND JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW, UH, WE'VE HAD A FOLLOW UP. 
          UH, I ASKED STAFF IF THEY WOULD LOOK INTO WHAT MIGHT BE THOUGHT OF AS SORT OF BEST PRACTICES FOR POTENTIAL GUIDELINES TO HAVE A CALL OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL NETWORK ORGANIZATIONS WHERE WE COULD AT LEAST TAKE STOCK AND SEE IF OTHERS ARE HAVING SIMILAR CHALLENGES AND HOW THEY'VE HANDLED IT. 
          UH, BUT I THINK JUST BEING UPFRONT WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS WITH THE PROFESSIONALS, THAT IF YOU'RE COMING FORWARD AS AN EXPERT AND YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S A STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCY AND IT MAY EVEN IMPACT THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPECTATION OF WHAT YOU SHOULD SHOW US. 
          SO WE KNOW WE'RE HAVING AN APPLES TO APPLES CONVERSATION. 
          SO, UH, HOW THAT'S, HOW THAT'S DONE, UH, I THINK IS, HAS BEEN LINGERING FOR A WHILE. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE VERY, UH, OPPORTUNE MOMENT. 
          AND IF WE COULD STEAL A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME IN THIS DISCUSSION. 
          IS, WAS THERE, I KNOW LAST TIME WE HAD THAT OUR MEETING, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE CODE CHANGES HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH LEGAL YET. 
          DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHETHER THEY'VE GONE THROUGH YET OR, OR NOT? KIM MCKNIGHT, DIVISION MANAGER FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH THE CITY LEGAL TEAM THAT WORKS ON LAND DEVELOPMENT, ON REVIEWING PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT CHANGES. 
          AND IT'S VERY COMPLEX. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER, UH, AMENDMENTS HAPPENING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. 
          SOME, UH, SO, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE ABOUT WHEN THOSE ARE GONNA COME TO YOU. 
          I'M AFRAID THAT IT'S, UH, IT, IT MAY COME IN DIFFERENT PIECES. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON A TIMELINE AS WE SPEAK. 
          SO IS THE PRESERVATION BONUS CHANGES PART OF WHAT WILL COME THROUGH IN THERE? OR IS THAT A SEPARATE TRIAL? SO THE PRESERVATION BONUS CHANGES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE, THAT'S MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE RULES. 
          SO IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE PRESERVATION BONUS, WHICH WAS A CODE AMENDMENT THAT'S BEEN REVISED TWICE, UH, IN ORDER TO SORT OF GUIDE HOW THAT'S IMPLEMENTED. 
          ADMINISTRATIVE RULES ARE DEVELOPED THAT KIND OF HELPS THE STAFF. 
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IT'S SORT OF INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF GETTING THESE PROJECTS AND KIND OF HAVING TO DEAL SORT OF ON AN AD HOC BASIS, THEY JUST WANNA FORMALIZE THAT PROCESS. 
          SO I, I HAVE PASSED ALONG THE REQUEST FOR A BRIEFING ON WHERE THEY ARE. 
          UM, AND THEY ARE VERY, UH, RESPONSIVE. 
          THEY JUST WEREN'T ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO MM-HMM . 
          TO, TO COME. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT, AT A MINIMUM, I'M, I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE GET SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION THAT EXPLAINS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE TIMELINE. 
          UH, I WILL CLARIFY, AFTER HAVING TALKED WITH 'EM, THEY DID WANNA SORT OF MAKE THE DISTINCTION THAT THE PRESERVATION BONUS IS INTENDED TO KIND OF, FOR OLDER HOMES, THAT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED OR ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION OR IN A LAND IN A DISTRICT WILL STILL COME TO US. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK IT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PURVIEW SORT OF STARTS AND STOPS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT IN ANY WAY THAT THERE WAS AN INTENTION TO SIDELINE THE HLC. 
          I THINK THAT THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S A MUCH BROADER MM-HMM . 
          PROGRAM TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE, UH, RE RETENTION OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD STOCK, SOME OF WHICH WOULDN'T REALLY RISE TO THE THRESHOLD OF REVIEW FOR THIS COMMISSION. 
          SO IT'S MY HOPE THAT WE'LL GET SOME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME FLESH THAT OUT EITHER IN WRITTEN FORM THROUGH A MEMO OR POTENTIALLY A BRIEFING IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE I, BUT THEY ARE VERY RESPONSIVE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR FIRST SALVO AT IT SEEMED TO MAYBE HAVE IT NOT THE, NOT WHAT THEY WERE AS PURPOSELY DOING, BUT THE INTENTION COULD HAVE COOLED THE PEOPLE LOOKING TO USE THAT IN REQUIRING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO HAVE A CO AND THEN ALSO HAVE A STRUCTURAL REPORT SAYING THAT IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS FINE. 
          UM, I KNOW SINCE THEN THEY'VE SENT LANGUAGE THAT THEY'VE REVISED TO REMOVE THE STRUCTURAL REPORT REQUIREMENT AND TO SPLIT THE CO OKAY. 
          TO WHERE BELOW, YOU KNOW, OLD ENOUGH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE YOUNG ENOUGH. 
          IT DOES HAVE TO HAVE ONE. 
          I THINK. 
          SO IT, THEY'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH AFTER LISTENING TO THAT. 
          I STILL DON'T, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS KIND OF LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACTUALLY, UM, IMPLEMENT THIS, THIS, THIS NEW PROGRAM. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THOSE THINGS FROM PEOPLE FROM USING THE BONUS AND THEN DEMOLISHING THIS FRONT THING. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT JUST LIMITING THE DEMOLITION PERMIT ACCESS. 
          THAT MIGHT BE A LEGAL THING. 
          UM, THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT THEY ARE MOVING TOWARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK A GOOD DIRECTION. 
          SO WE WILL CERTAINLY TRACK IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME SORT OF RESPONSE TO YOU COURSE. 
          AND AGAIN, THEY WERE, THEY WERE VERY AMENABLE AND UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE INQUIRY. 
          AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRACK THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY PLEASURE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY, UH, THE OTHER COMMITTEE, OUR 
          [27. Updates from the Preservation Plan Committee regarding comments from the October 17,  2025, meeting. ]
PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE, UH, WE, UH, HAD A PRESENTATION OBVIOUSLY OF SOME VERY CRITICAL ITEMS AND HAD A, UH, A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING AS WELL AFTER OUR RETREAT. 
          UM, BUT ANY, ANY OF THE MEMBERS CHOOSE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE KARA, THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT. 
          , SO WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR 20 MINUTES, , AND, AND THERE WILL BE A, UH, UH, AN EVENT TO RECONVENE A NUMBER OF THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTORS, UH, IN THE COMING DAYS. 
          MANY OF THEM WILL HAVE THAT ON THEIR AGENDA. 
          AND, UH, UH, SO WE'LL REINVIGORATE SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION EFFORT HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. 
          HAVE MORE TO, MORE TO SHARE WITH YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, STAFF, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO COVER IN THIS MEETING? NOPE, THAT'S IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ARE WE ALL SET? THEN? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF. 
          WHAT'S THAT? YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF. 
          . 
          WE DON'T NEED A MOTION. 
          UH, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          WELL HOLD ON. 
          THE, THE, THE CLERK GAVE US THE LAST ITEM HERE AND THEY TOLD US ABOUT MOTIONS TO ADJOURN. 
          THEY TOLD ME LAST MONTH WE CAN ADJOURN. 
          UNILATERAL, I LIKE MOTIONS TO ADJOURN. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION TO AJOUR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GOOD ENOUGH. 
          COMMISSIONER COOK. 
          SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ACTON. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND. 
          AND I SEE IT AS UNANIMOUS. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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