* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] WELCOME. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE THIS MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025 AT 2:03 PM WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MA'AM? MARY HAGER. PRESENT FRANCIS JORDAN. RE PRESENT. TINA CANNON PRESENT, NICOLE CONLEY, CHARLES CURRY. RICHARD DE PALMER. PRESENT. JC DWYER PRESENT. ROBERT LER. PRESENT. JEREMIAH HENDRICKS. DONALD JACKSON. PRESENT. NOLITA LUGO. GARY MERRIT. LUKE METZKER? YES. KATRINA MILLER. DEWEY SMITH. PRESENT. KENNETH STANLEY. RACHEL STONE PRESENT. BENJAMIN SETE? HERE. DAVID SULLIVAN. HERE. HAYDEN WALKER. KABA WHITE. OKAY. WE HAVE A QUORUM. GREAT. [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL] GREAT. UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. YES. WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. OUR FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE REMOTE, UM, AND IT IS SEAN DELLA HUNT. HELLO. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? GOOD AFTERNOON. YES, MY NAME IS. THANK YOU. UH, APOLOGIES. MY, UH, CAMERA APPEARS TO BE DISABLED. UH, BUT, UM, I'LL JUST RE UH, READ FROM MY PREPARED STATEMENT. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SEAN DELE HUNT. I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE PARENTS' CLIMATE COMMUNITY IN AUSTIN BASED NONPROFIT AS WELL AS A FATHER OF TWO GIRLS. UH, I BELIEVE YOU MAY HAVE HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUE EILEEN IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING. WHILE EILEEN CENTERED HER STATEMENT AROUND THE CLIMATE LEGACY FOR ALL OF OUR CHILDREN, I'D LIKE TO FOCUS MINE AROUND THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE THAT WE'RE ALL ENDURING BY NOW, I WOULD HOPE WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT OUR PLANET IS GETTING WARMER. EVERY PASSING YEAR BECOMES A NEW HOTTEST ON RECORD, AND WITH THAT COMES MORE AND MORE POWERFUL NATURAL DISASTERS. A 2023 WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM REPORT SHOWED THAT EXTREME WEATHER, CLIMATE AND WATER RELATED EVENTS CAUSED ALMOST $1.5 TRILLION OF ECONOMIC LOSSES IN THE 2010 DECADE. TO BRING THIS CLOSER TO HOME ECONOMISTS AT THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF DALLAS ESTIMATED FOR EVERY DEGREE OF HIGHER TEMPERATURE IN THE SUMMER, TEXAS SEES A 0.4% SLOWDOWN IN ECONOMIC GROWTH. THIS IS TWICE THE RATE AS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY DUE TO OUR SUSCEPTIBILITY FOR HOTTER TEMPERATURES IN 2023. THIS COST THE STATE $24 BILLION. APPROXIMATELY 1% OF OUR GDP JUST THIS SUMMER, THE HILL COUNTRY FLOOD DAMAGES WERE ESTIMATED COST BETWEEN 18 TO $22 BILLION. BUT SIMPLY EXTREME WEATHER IS A MACROECONOMIC VULNERABILITY TESTING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, HEALTHCARE AND OPERATIONS. DESPITE THIS DIRE REALITY, THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY TO ACT, AND I'M EMBOLDENED BY THE VISION OF THE CITY. WITH INITIATIVES LIKE THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN AND THIS VERY BOND ELECTION, CLIMATE INVESTMENTS NOT ONLY ADDRESS OUR EXISTENTIAL CRISIS, BUT CAN ALSO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE STUDIES LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S 2025 REPORT FOUND THAT ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY INVESTMENTS RESULT IN, QUOTE, UNQUOTE SIZABLE POSITIVE ECONOMIC BENEFITS FOR THE US. WHILE RESEARCH FROM THE WORLD RESOURCES INSTITUTE FOUND THAT EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED IN ADAPTATION RESULTS IN 10 X BENEFITS OVER 10 YEARS, THE ROI IS COMPELLING HERE. AND WITH OUR CITY'S ONGOING BUDGET CONCERNS, WE SHOULD BE ASSESSING INVESTMENTS THAT BOTH HELP US AVOID LOSSES AND PROVIDE FINANCIAL RETURN. GIVEN AUSTIN'S NET ZERO CLIMATE TARGET BY 2040 AND ITS GROWTH TRAJECTORY, INVESTING NOW MEANS STAYING AHEAD OF THE COST CURVE RATHER THAN CHASING MORE EXPENSIVE FIXES LATER. EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY, RENEWABLES AND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE REDUCES FUTURE OPERATING EXPENSES, CREATES LOCAL JOBS, AND PROTECTS AUSTIN'S TAX BASE FROM THE RISING COSTS OF EXTREME WEATHER. NOW, I RECOGNIZE THAT THE TASK FORCE HAS THE DIFFICULT RESPONSIBILITY TO ADVISE WHICH PROGRAMS WILL COMPRISE THE BOND PACKAGE. WITH SO MANY WORTHWHILE SUBMISSIONS, I ENCOURAGE ITS MEMBERS TO REMEMBER THE CORE MISSION LAID OUT IN THE RESOLUTION TO SUGGEST INVESTMENTS THAT SUPPORT A COMPREHENSIVE CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM. WHICHEVER PROGRAMS ARE ULTIMATELY SELECTED, I TRUST THAT THEY WILL ALL BE UNDERPINNED WITH CLIMATE MITIGATION IN MIND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. OKAY. OUR FIRST IN PERSON IS MARTIN JONES. [00:05:34] ALL RIGHTY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU. I'M MARTY JONES. I'M THE HEAD OF THE AUSTIN, UH, STUDIOS, WHICH IS OPERATED BY THE AUSTIN FILM SOCIETY. AND THE, UH, LATE NINETIES A FS AND THE CITY CAME TOGETHER TO LAUNCH A STRATEGIC ALLIANCE TO ENSURE THAT AUSTIN COULD OWN FILM CULTURE AND PROVIDE A CONSTANT FLOW OF GOOD PAYING JOBS FOR THE CITY'S EXPANDING CREATIVE ECONOMY. PART OF OF THE, OF THIS ALLIANCE INCLUDED A FS TAKING OVER THE OLD MILLER AIRPORT AND TURNING IT INTO AUSTIN STUDIOS RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE CITY. THIS 20 ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT NINE. IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY AND OPERATED BY A FS AUSTIN STUDIOS PUT OUR CITY ON THE MAP AS A VIABLE FILM HUB. AND SIMULTANEOUSLY, MILLER BECAME AN AWARD-WINNING URBAN INFILL SUCCESS STORY BASED ON AUSTIN STUDIO'S EARLY SUCCESS. THE CITY COUNCIL EXTENDED A LONG-TERM LEASE THAT RUNS UNTIL 2084, SO ANOTHER 60 YEARS MAJOR MOVIES LIKE MISS CONGENIALITY IDIOCRACY, WHICH YOU SEE BEING BUILT IN THAT PHOTO TO THE RIGHT BOYHOOD. AND ALL OF THE SPY KIDS MOVIES WERE FILMED AT OUR STUDIOS. AND NOW AUSTIN IS KNOWN WORLDWIDE FOR ITS FILM CULTURE AND MANY FILMMAKERS WHO MAKE IT THEIR HOME. NO OTHER CITY IN THE UNITED STATES CAN BOAST THAT. IT OWNS A MOVIE STUDIO OPERATED BY ONE OF THE NATION'S LEADING MEDIA NONPROFITS. A FS IS 40 YEARS OLD THIS YEAR, HOWEVER, AMAZING DREAM, OUR AMAZING DREAM FACTORY NEEDS YOUR HELP. THE METAL BUILDINGS ARE RUSTING AWAY. THERE ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES. OUR ROOFS ARE LEAKING, AND AS A CITY OWNED PROPERTY, WE CANNOT BORROW MONEY AGAINST IT. SO WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST $35 MILLION IN THE 2026 BOND TO SAVE, TO SAVE, TO SAVE. WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST $35 MILLION IN THE 2026 BOND TO SAVE THIS REVENUE GENERATING CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND INVESTMENT IN AUSTIN STUDIOS VIA THE BOND WILL HELP RESERVE THE BUILDINGS AND ENSURE OUR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE WELL INTO THE FUTURE. NOW, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IN OUR 25 YEARS OF OPERATION, WE HAVE HOSTED OVER 1,250 PRODUCTIONS. THAT'S FROM ONE DAY TO 10 YEAR LONG RESIDENCIES RESULTING IN OVER 46,000 JOBS AND $2.9 BILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT. EVERY DOLLAR SPENT BY AUSTIN STUDIO'S TENANTS RETURNS A $4 OR MORE INVESTMENT INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. THAT BEING SAID, AUSTIN STUDIOS WAS ON THE 2006 AND 2012 BONDS. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE RESULTS. BOTH OF THOSE BONDS HAD VERY HIGH VOTER SUPPORT, AND WE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. UH, THE 2026 BOND FUNDS WILL BE USED IN THREE, UH, UH, KEY AREAS, ESSENTIAL RESTORATIONS AND LIFE SAFETY, GREEN EFFORTS AND MODERNIZATION. THE $35 MILLION WILL PAY FOR THESE SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS AND REJUVENATE OUR AGING BUILDINGS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO CREATE GOOD PAYING JOBS AND REVENUE FOR OUR CITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM IN MY REMAINING TIME, AND I'LL LEAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU BACK IN THE BACK THAT SHOWS YOU THE IMPACT OF OUR JOBS ACROSS THE CITY AND THE FACILITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE MEGAN KING. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M MEGAN KING NAMUR POLICY AND OUTREACH PLANNER FOR PRESERVATION. AUSTIN. I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF OUR ORGANIZATION REQUESTING YOUR CONSIDERATION OF RALLY AUSTIN'S KEEP AUSTIN R PACKAGE, WHICH INCLUDES $259 MILLION TO FUND AN EXPANSION OF THE AUSTIN CULTURAL TRUST, ESTABLISH A LEGACY BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL TRUST, AND CREATE AN AFFORDABLE WORKSPACE AND WORKFORCE INITIATIVE. THE WORK CARRIED OUT UNDER THESE INITIATIVES HAS A PROJECTED ECONOMIC IMPACT OF 1.2 TO $1.7 BILLION FOR OUR CITY. THE GOALS OF RALLY AUSTIN'S PACKAGE FALL SQUARELY WITHIN PRESERVATION AUSTIN'S MISSION AND WORK. IN 2018, WE SUPPORTED THE CREATION OF THE CULTURAL TRUST, WHICH HAS HAD IMMENSE SUCCESS IN PRESERVING ICONIC MUSIC VENUES, INCLUDING BROKEN SPOKE HOLE IN THE WALL. AND NOW ANTON'S NIGHTCLUB BUILDING ON THIS WORK RALLY IS SEEKING TO EXPAND THE CULTURAL TRUST AND CREATE A NEW LEGACY BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL TRUST TO SUPPORT A BROADER ARRAY OF LOCAL BUSINESSES. SIMILARLY, THE AFFORDABLE WORKSPACE AND WORKFORCE INITIATIVE WILL ENSURE THAT AUSTIN'S ARTISTS, MUSICIANS, AND CREATIVES CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE, [00:10:01] WORK, AND THRIVE IN THE CITY WHOSE CULTURE THEY HAVE HELPED TO DEFINE. IN 2023 PRESERVATION, AUSTIN ESTABLISHED THEIR ANNUAL LEGACY BUSINESS MONTH PROGRAM TO CELEBRATE AND SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE 20 PLUS YEARS OLD AND THAT ANCHOR OUR CULTURE AND IDENTITY AS A CITY. THESE CULTURAL ANCHORS ARE NOT ONLY IMPORTANT FOR AUSTIN'S IDENTITY, BUT FOR ITS ECONOMIC WELLBEING. SMALL BUSINESSES MAKE UP 81% OF OUR ECONOMY. EVERY $10 SPENT AT A LOCALLY OWNED STORE PUTS FIVE RECIRCULATING IN OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, VERSUS ONLY $2 OF EVERY $10 SPENT AT A CHAIN. OUR WORK AROUND LEGACY BUSINESS MONTH HAS LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR MORE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT INVESTMENTS FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN IN POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT CAN MEANINGFULLY AND MATERIALLY SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES THAT KEEP AUSTIN FLOURISHING, SUCH AS THE LEGACY BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL TRUST. WE AS A CITY, MUST TAKE ACTION TO MAKE THOUGHTFUL CREATIVE INVESTMENTS THAT PROTECT AND PRESERVE THE PEOPLE IN PLACES THAT SUSTAIN OUR CITY'S CULTURE AND ECONOMY. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE KEEP AUSTIN RS PACKAGE TO DO JUST THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN. THANK YOU. [1. Approve the minutes of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force Regular Called meeting on October 27, 2025.] OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM ONE ON THE AGENDA APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES. THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE REGULAR CALLED MEETING ON OCTOBER 27TH, 2025. ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND . ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MINUTES? ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? RAISE YOUR HAND. I CAN'T SEE. JC JC. THERE WE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. OKAY. [2. Staff briefing regarding the Draft Carbon Impact of Proposed Bond Projects. Presentation by Zach Baumer, Director, Austin Climate Action and Resilience.] ITEM TWO OF STAFF BRIEFING REGARDING THE DRAFT CARBON IMPACT OF PROPOSED BOND PROJECTS WITH A PRESENTATION BY ZACH BAUMER, DIRECTOR AUSTIN CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE. WELCOME BACK. GOOD AFTERNOON TASK FORCE. I'M ZACH BAUER, UH, DIRECTOR OF AUSTIN CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE. AND ALSO I HAVE WITH ME TODAY, UH, PHIL DRAWN SENIOR CLIMATE ANALYST, BRADEN LATHAM JONES, CLIMATE PROGRAM MANAGER. GREAT. UH, SO WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH, UH, TALKING ABOUT SOME WORK THAT WE ARE GONNA DIVE INTO, UH, TO QUANTIFY THE CARBON IMPACT OF POTENTIAL BOND PROJECTS. AND TODAY WE ARE HERE TO REPORT ON THE DRAFT ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED SO FAR, UH, AND TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THAT WORK. SO FIRST I'M JUST GONNA COVER WHAT THE REQUEST WAS AND WHAT THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WE AGREED TO LOOK INTO. UH, AND THEN PHILIP IS GONNA GO INTO OUR INITIAL RESULTS, SHARE THOSE RESULTS, WALK THROUGH WHAT HE DID, HOW HE DID IT, UM, HOW YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT AND WHAT IT MEANS, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. UH, SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM, UH, NUMEROUS MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE OVER A COUPLE OF, UH, A FEW MONTHS WAS THAT YOU ALL WERE INTERESTED IN, UH, QUANTIFICATION TO UNDERSTAND THE CARBON IMPACT OF IN THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. UH, YOU WANTED TO POTENTIALLY COMPARE THE EMISSIONS OF PROJECTS TO EACH OTHER. UH, YOU WERE INTERESTED IN MINIMIZING THE CARBON IMPACT OF EACH PROJECT AND THE OVERALL, UH, IMPACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE OF THIS BOND, UH, AND WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS ALL FIT TOGETHER AS A WHOLE. UM, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THERE WAS ALSO A GSC, UH, JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, UH, CALLING FOR THIS KIND OF ANALYSIS EARLIER THIS YEAR. UH, SO WHAT WE DOVE INTO, UH, ON JULY 31ST, THERE WAS A MEMO DELIVERED TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, THAT LISTED 66 POTENTIAL BOND PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY STAFF. UH, SO WE HAVE NOW COMPLETED, UH, A SCREENING LEVEL, UH, LIFECYCLE ANALYSIS, CARBON CARBON ANALYSIS, UH, ON AS MANY OF THESE PROJECTS AS WE CAN. UH, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE. UM, WE HAVE DONE THIS IN A VERY SIMPLE EFFECTIVE WAY THAT'S, UM, BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS, UH, BASED ON PUBLISHED, UH, SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION THAT WE FEEL LIKE IS LIKE THE MOST EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE WAY TO DO THIS KIND OF ANALYSIS. UM, AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY IS THE POTENTIAL CLIMATE IMPACT OR, UH, LIFETIME CARBON EMISSIONS OF EACH KIND OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECT THAT WE ANALYZED. UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE PROJECTS COMPARED TO EACH OTHER, UM, AND YOU COULD START TO, UM, DRAW ASSUMPTIONS AND DRAW CONCLUSIONS ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE OVERALL CARBON AND CLIMATE IMPACT OF THIS ENTIRE BOND PACKAGE MIGHT BE. SO NEXT, PHIL IS GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR APPROACH AND ASSUMPTIONS AND HOW WE, UH, DECIDED TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS WORK. THANKS. SO [00:15:01] LAST MONTH, UM, WE PROPOSED THAT WE WOULD BE CONDUCTING A CARBON LIFECYCLE ANALYSIS ON THE 66TH BOND PROJECTS IN THE MEMO TO COUNCIL. AND, UH, THE LAST MONTH HAS BEEN SPENT DOING THAT AT A, UH, BREAKNECK PACE. UM, JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, UM, A LIFECYCLE ANALYSIS, UH, FOCUSES ON CARBON EMISSIONS FROM PRODUCTION, CONSTRUCTION USE, AND END OF LIFE, UH, FOR AN ASSET. UH, WHAT WE DID FOR THIS PARTICULAR EXERCISE, WHICH, BUT JUST FOCUS ON THE EMBODIED CARBON AND THE OPERATIONAL CARBON. SO THAT'S PRODUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION AND USE, UH, BECAUSE THAT CAPTURES 95% OF THE TOTAL. AND, UH, TRYING TO KEEP THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT TIGHT IN ORDER TO DELIVER SOMETHING USEFUL TO YOU ALL ON A TIGHT TIMELINE. UM, ALSO ON THAT THEME, UH, WE FOCUSED ON DIRECT AND DIRECTLY INDUCED IMPACTS. UM, WE COULDN'T EXPLORE EVERY SINGLE HYPOTHETICAL FOR THIS ANALYSIS. WE'LL GET MORE INTO THAT, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS. AND OF COURSE, WE INCLUDED AS MUCH DETAIL AS WE POSSIBLY COULD, SQUARE FEET, SPEND MILEAGE DESIGN CHOICES, UH, BOTH FROM THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THE MEMO, AND THEN ALSO FROM TALKING TO OUR PARTNERS IN DEPARTMENTS AND UNPACKING SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS. UM, YOU ALL WILL RECALL THAT IN ORDER TO, UM, MAKE THIS ANALYSIS SORT OF WORK, UH, WE NEEDED TO IDENTIFY SIMILARITIES BETWEEN PROJECT TYPES TO KEEP ASSUMPTIONS CONSISTENT AND EVALUATE PROJECTS ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. AND, UM, THIS WILL LOOK FAMILIAR AS WELL. SO OVER HERE ON THE LEFT, UM, OPEN SPACE PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, DRAINAGE AND WATER WATERSHED STUFF, FACILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION ARE THE FOUR BUCKETS THAT, UH, I BROKE THE PROJECTS DOWN INTO. AND IN THE COLUMNS HERE, WHAT WE'VE GOT LISTED ARE WHERE THE SOURCES OF CARBON EMISSIONS COME FROM, BOTH FROM EMBODIED CARBON AND OPERATIONAL CARBON. IT'LL COME AS NO SURPRISE THAT EMBODIED CARBON COMES FROM CEMENT AND STEEL. THOSE ARE THE HIGH CARBON, UH, CARBON INTENSE MATERIALS THAT GO INTO CONSTRUCTION FOR FACILITIES. THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RENOVATION AND NEW BUILD FOR EMBODIED CARBON AT FACILITIES. OPERATIONAL MISSION COMES FROM ELECTRICITY USED IN THE BUILDING AND NATURAL GAS CONSUMED ON SITE. AND THEN IN GREEN, WE'VE GOT LISTED, UH, THE OPPORTUNITIES TO AVOID OR DIRECTLY SEQUESTER CARBON, UH, FROM THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO THAT INCLUDES NATURAL SYSTEM SEQUESTRATION. UM, IF IT'S GREEN AND IT GROWS, IT DOES CAPTURE CARBON. WE ALL KNOW THAT, UM, FACILITIES THAT ENABLE FLEET ELECTRIFICATION DO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO AVOID EMISSIONS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE FROM A GAS OR DIESEL BURNING VEHICLE. AND THEN PROJECTS THAT UNLOCK, UH, WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY OR PUBLIC TRANSIT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO AVOID EMISSIONS THROUGH AVOIDED SINGLE PASSENGER VEHICLE TRIPS. UM, WE DID NOT ANALYZE LAND ACQUISITION FOR FUTURE BUILDINGS BECAUSE IN THIS SCOPE THERE'S JUST SORT OF NOTHING TO ANALYZE YET. UH, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY BEING BUILT AND THAT LAND WILL EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED. UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE NOT YET ANALYZED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS OR THE WATERSHED AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS AS WE'RE JUST NOT REALLY THERE YET ON UNPACKING THE LARGER, UM, SPINS THERE AND UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THEY MEAN AND THE PROGRAMMATIC NATURE THERE. SO I'M STILL WORKING ON THOSE. UM, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, CARBON FOOTPRINT WORK AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT IT'S GOOD FOR. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD FOR UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHERE WE COME FROM, WHERE WE'RE GOING, UH, HOW FAR ALONG THE WAY WE ARE TO GETTING THERE, AND THEN SOME OF THE HIGHEST IMPACT MITIGATIONS THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE COULD TAKE IN ORDER TO MEET OUR GOALS. THIS ANALYSIS IS SIMILAR IN A LOT OF WAYS, UM, WITH SOME NUANCE. UM, IT'S GENERALLY USEFUL FOR EVALUATING SIMILAR PROJECTS BASED ON THOSE CATEGORIES THAT I SHOWED ON THE LAST SLIDE. UM, FOR APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISONS, UH, IT'S GOOD AT IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE EMBODIED AND OPERATIONAL, UH, CARBON OF PROJECTS AND THE ENTIRE BOND PACKAGE. AND THEN I THINK PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S GOOD FOR INFORMING DESIGN DECISIONS THAT WILL DESIGN DECISIONS THAT WILL, UM, ULTIMATELY MITIGATE THE LONG-TERM CLIMATE IMPACT OF THE BOND PACKAGE. UM, SOME CAVEATS THOUGH FOR THIS ANALYSIS IS THAT IT'S JUST A CARBON ANALYSIS. IT'S NOT COMPREHENSIVE OF ALL BENEFITS, SAFETY, PUBLIC GOOD RESILIENCE, ET CETERA. UM, THEY'RE JUST NOT POSSIBLE IN, UH, THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT. UM, SOME PROJECTS INFRASTRUCTURE ARE CRITICAL AND MUST BE REPLACED, UH, REGARDLESS OF CARBON IMPACT. WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND QUANTIFIED THOSE PROJECTS. BUT, UM, I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR GOOD FUNCTIONING INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, WE BASE THIS ASSUMPTION ON REAL DETAIL WHENEVER POSSIBLE, AND ASSUMPTIONS, UH, AS NEEDED. BUT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS WERE ALWAYS GROUNDED IN SCIENCE AND SORT OF BEST PRACTICE TO FOLKS IN MY FIELD. BUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE COULDN'T INCLUDE EVERY HYPOTHETICAL OR POSSIBILITY. IT JUST WASN'T POSSIBLE. AND, AND EVEN WITH LONGER TIMELINE, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. YOU CAN'T ASK AND ANSWER EVERY QUESTION. UM, AND THE FINAL CAVEAT IS THAT IT'S USEFUL I THINK, TO COMPARE PROJECTS WITHIN THE CATEGORIES, BUT IT'S LESS USEFUL TO COMPARE PROJECTS ACROSS DIFFERENT CATEGORIES BECAUSE YOU START INTRODUCING A HIGHER DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY. AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S REALLY PRODUCTIVE, UH, TO, TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. SO THE FIRST BUCKET OF PROJECTS IS AN OPEN SPACE. UM, THIS ONE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UH, UP ON THE Y AXIS IS POSITIVE. UH, CARBON [00:20:01] EMISSIONS OR ADDED CARBON EMISSIONS IS DOWN, DOWN, IS AVOIDED, UH, NEGATIVE OR SEQUESTERED EMISSIONS. UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IF IT'S GREEN AND IT GROWS, IT TENDS TO SEQUESTER CARBON. AND IF MANAGED PROPERLY, OPEN SPACE, UM, LAND, PLANTS, TREES, ET CETERA, CAN DO THAT. IT HAPPENS SLOWLY, BUT IT DOES ADD UP OVER TIME. UM, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ONE OF THESE BARS IS BIGGER THAN THE OTHER. UH, THAT'S MY THIRD BULLET POINT HERE. MORE SPEND LEADS TO MORE ACRES, LEADS TO MORE CARBON SEQUESTRATION. AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, WILDER, LIGHTLY MANAGED LAND THAT'S UNDEVELOPED WILL SEQUESTER MORE CARBON THAN HIGHLY MANAGED, UM, PARK LANDS, FOR EXAMPLE. THESE ARE THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE GOING ON HERE. UM, SO UP IS STILL ADDED. CARBON DOWN IS STILL NEGATIVE OR AVOIDED CARBON, UH, BUT THE DARK BARS ARE EMBODIED CARBON AND THE LIGHT BARS ARE OPERATIONAL CARBON AND THE.IS SORT OF THE NET SUM THERE. UM, SO AS MENTIONED, TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ARE COMPLICATED. UM, GENERALLY PROJECTS DO CREATE, UH, CARBON EMISSIONS WITH SOME AVOIDED EMISSIONS AS WELL. UM, TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS HAVE SORT OF THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTIC OF AN UPFRONT AND CARBON INVESTMENT. UM, IF, IF IT'S THE RIGHT PROJECT CAN UNLOCK BIKEABILITY WALKABILITY AND PUBLIC TRANSIT IN ORDER TO PAY BACK A CARBON INVESTMENT OVER TIME. UM, AND SO THAT'S AVOIDED CARBON, CARBON IN THE OPERATIONAL CYCLE. THESE ARE ALL THE FACILITY PROJECTS. THERE'S A LOT HERE, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT RIDING'S PRETTY SMALL UP. THEY'RE ON THE SCREEN. UM, IT'S IN THE SLIDES AND IN THE MATERIALS, SO YOU'LL ALL BE ABLE TO REVIEW. UM, BUT A FEW TAKEAWAYS. UH, YOU READ THIS ONE IN THE SAME WAY AS THE LAST ONE. SO THE.IS THE, THE SORT OF THE NET TOTAL. UM, HIGHER SPINS TEND TO LEAD TO HIGHER EMISSIONS. UM, THAT'S SORT OF INTUITIVE. MORE RESOURCES GO INTO A PROJECT AND THERE'S GONNA BE HIGHER EMISSIONS BOTH IN, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND THEN IN OPERATING IT. 24 HOUR FACILITIES HAVE HIGHER OPERATIONAL, UH, CARBON EMISSIONS. THEY JUST HAVE HEAVIER WORKLOADS. UM, AND DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, UH, DECISIONS MATTER. UM, THEY HAVE A LONG TAIL AND THEY MATTER FOR A LONG TIME. UH, SO LOW CARBON MATERIALS CAN REDUCE SOME BODY CARBON. UM, AND THEN IN DESIGN, IN DESIGN CHOICES, UH, BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE, UH, OPERATIONAL CARBON OVER THE LIFETIME OF A BUILDING. UH, ONSITE SOLAR ENABLES THAT ELECTRIFICATION. AND THEN AS MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, FACILITIES THAT SUPPORT FLEET ELECTRIFICATION WILL ALSO AVOID CARBON OVER TIME. SO SORT OF SOME BROAD TAKEAWAYS FROM ALL THREE OF THOSE, UH, CATEGORIES. AS I JUST MENTIONED, HIGHER SPINS, UH, TEND TO LEAD TO HIGHER EMISSIONS. UM, I THINK THAT PART'S INTUITIVE, MORE RESOURCES LEAD TO MORE MATERIALS, WHICH LEAD TO HIGHER EMBODIED CARBON. UM, UPFRONT DESIGN DECISIONS CAN MITIGATE THAT. AND BECAUSE THESE ASSETS LAST SO LONG DO HAVE A LONG TERM IMPACT AND THE SAVINGS OR, UH, BENEFIT CAN ADD UP OVER TIME. AND THEN PROJECTS THAT UNLOCK AVOIDED OR NEGATIVE EMISSIONS, UH, ALSO YIELD LARGE CLIMATE BENEFITS OVER TIME. SO OUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO FINALIZE THIS ANALYSIS, UM, UNPACK AND KIND OF UNDERSTAND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE WATERSHED DRAINAGE PROJECTS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, AND THEN CONTINUE TO REFINE THESE ASSUMPTIONS AND CALCULATIONS, UH, TO BE AS DETAILED AND ACCURATE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BE AND AS USEFUL TO YOU ALL AS WE CAN BE AS WELL. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, ABSOLUTELY SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, I HAVE ONE OFF THE TOP. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF TIMING JUST ON THAT LAST, YOU KNOW, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, WATERSHED AND DRAINAGE IDEA WHEN WE GET THAT? SURE. YEAH. UM, I THINK WE CAN TENTATIVELY TARGET, UH, A MONTH FROM NOW. IS THAT, I THINK THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. YEAH. TWO, TWO QUESTIONS FROM ME. UH, THE TIMELINE THAT YOU'RE USING IS YOU'RE USING 50 YEAR TIMELINE FOR THE ANALYSIS? GENERALLY YES. UH, 50 YEARS, UH, FOR FACILITIES AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES HAVE SOME OTHER ASSUMPTIONS BAKED IN. BUT YEAH, GENERALLY 50 YEARS IS OKAY. IS THE TIMELINE. AND THEN I QUESTION ON THE SLIDE WITH THE ELECTRIFICATION ON THE TRANSPORTATION, WHERE IS IT INITIAL RESULTS FACILITIES? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE, THE BIG BLUE BAR THERE FOR THE FLEET SERVICES CENTER BEING SO DRAMATICALLY HIGH. SURE. UM, SECOND FROM THE RIGHT THERE YES. ON THAT TINY, TINY EYE EXAM. YES. BUT THANK YOU FOR EMAILING IT SO WE HAVE IT. THE QUESTION IS HOW HIGH OR THE, THE LOW OR BOTH? YEAH, THE, HOW THE HIGH ON THE FLEET. I MEAN, THE WHOLE IDEA IS RAISED. THEY PITCHED US TO COME IN AND, AND REDO THE FLEET BUILDING TO HELP THE CITY OVERALL. SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THAT CALCULI, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST THE BUILDING ITSELF. UM, THE, THE DOWNWARD PART IS PART OF THE CALCULATION OF THE ELECTRIFICATION. [00:25:01] YEAH. UM, THE REASON THAT THE DARKER PART IS SO HIGH IS IT'S JUST A REALLY, REALLY LARGE FACILITY. UM, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S LIKE A $245 MILLION, UH, PROPOSAL. OKAY. AND SO TO THE BULLET POINT OF MORE RESOURCES, LEADS TO MORE EMISSIONS, THAT'S THAT. BUT, BUT YOU ARE SEEING, UM, WITH THEIR INITIAL, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, SOME NUMBER OF, UH, DC FAST CHARGERS THAT FACILITATES THE ELECTRIFICATION OF A PORTION OF THE CITY FLEET, AND THAT'S WHAT LEADS TO THAT NEGATIVE EMISSIONS THERE. AND SO THE DOT REALLY, THE, THE PART THAT I, I THINK WE CARE ABOUT HERE IS THE DOT. IT IS LOWER THAN, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES GIVEN HOW BIG THE SPEND IS. YEAH. OKAY. AND OF COURSE, THAT 50 YEAR DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE FOR THE GRID, WHICH IS ON ALL BIG UNKNOWN. RIGHT. THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT USING A 50 YEAR PROJECTIONS. UM, WELL, IF THERE'S SO MUCH UNKNOWN IN THAT, IF, IF YOU MEAN, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY'S, UH, GENERATION THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS CALCULUS. OKAY. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE AUSTIN ENERGY GYM PLAN IS DECARBONIZING BY 2035, AND WE'VE GOT THAT, UH, CURVE IN THERE AND THE ASSUMPTIONS OKAY. AND CALCULATIONS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THAT'S HELPFUL. YEAH, AND IT WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF TRYING TO PIN THE TAIL ON THE DONKEY TO GET ALL THESE NUMBERS. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE. OKAY. WHEN YOU'RE ON THE ROOM ON THIS SIDE, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENT? NO, DONALD. UH, THANKS. WHEN WOULD WE GET THE METHOD, LIKE A METHOD DESCRIPTION FOR LIKE HOW THE NUMBERS WERE ARRIVED AT? I'M SORRY, UH, METHODS FOR WHAT, HOW THE NUMBERS ARE ARRIVED AT LIKE A, LIKE MORE SPECIFIC? YEAH. LIKE, UM, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU HAVE IN MIND THERE? LIKE A WRITEUP OR, OR ADDITIONAL DETAIL THAN WHAT WE PRESENTED LAST WEEK? I MEAN, UH, LAST MONTH? YEAH. LIKE WHAT THE MODEL IS FOR DOING THE CARBON EMISSIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION, FOR EXAMPLE. LIKE WHAT, WHAT JUST THE SPREADSHEETS. SURE, SURE. YEAH. YEAH. WE CAN CAN DO THAT. YEAH. AND, AND ALSO, UH, JUST WANNA CLARIFY IT LAST TIME, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE THINKING WAS THAT THIS WOULDN'T BE AMENABLE TO DOING KIND OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WATERSHED PROJECTS. IT SOUNDS LIKE NOW Y'ALL ARE GONNA TRY TO DO THAT. IS THAT, IS THAT THE CASE? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S THE PLAN. UH, LAST TIME I THINK WE SAID THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE SO LARGE AND SO PRO PROGRAMMATIC, WHICH ARE JUST LIKE MORE COMPLICATED BY NATURE. UM, BUT IN HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS, I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO UNPACK THEM ENOUGH TO MAKE SOME SOUND ASSUMPTIONS. OKAY. IT'S JUST TAKING MORE TIME TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THEM. YEAH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YEAH. BEN, WHEN LOOKING AT SLIDE EIGHT ON THE OPEN SPACE, UM, COMPARING JUST OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION TO PARKLAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM, IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE COMING FROM A DIFFERENCE IN, UH, LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S GROWING THERE, RIGHT? LIKE UNDISTURBED STUFF ON ONE SIDE AND ANOTHER ONE LIKE A PARK? OR IS IT MORE THE DIFFERENCE THAT A PARK IS HAVING ACTIVE MAINTENANCE, ACTIVE, YOU KNOW, MOWING OF WHETHER IT'S ELECTRICAL OR, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO CYCLE STROKE AND STROKE ENGINE? LET'S, YEAH. YEAH. THAT ONE THERE, THE MAIN DRIVER IS THE SPEND AMOUNT. OKAY. AND THE, AND THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT WE ASSUME WOULD BE ACQUIRED UNDER THAT SCENARIO, UM, THOSE PARKLAND ACQUISITION PROPOSALS ARE NOT, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT BUILT INTO THEM. AND SO THEY WOULD STILL BE WILD LAND, WHY THEY MANAGE WILD LAND, UH, FOR THE UNTIL DEVELOPED. YEAH, GOOD QUESTION THOUGH. I, I DID WANNA INCLUDE THAT NUANCE THOUGH, WHICH IS, UH, UM, WHY THAT LAST BULLET POINT? IS THERE ON THAT SLIDE? YEAH, DAVE. YEAH. SO EARLIER TODAY I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH SOME OF THE ADVOCATES FOR SOME, UH, PROJECTS IN PARKS. AND THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT WHETHER A TREE PLANTING PROGRAM COULD BE CONSIDERED CAPITAL EXPENSES. UM, AND THEY GOT TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS FROM CITY STAFF. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW THE ANSWER. STANDALONE TREE REPLACEMENT? WELL, NO TREE, UH, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF TREES IN ER, IN GUERRERO PARK, AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER PARKS AROUND THE CITY. CAN WE IN WRITING, SAY AGAIN? I'LL SUBMIT SOMETHING IN WRITING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS ONLINE. CAN WE SHOW, IS ANYONE RAISING THEIR HAND? CAN I ASK? UM, YES, LUKE. OKAY. UM, YEAH, FOLLOW UP ON THE FLEET SERVICES BUILDING QUESTION. UH, SO DOES YOUR MODEL ALSO THEN ASSUME THAT THE CITY FULLY ELECTRIFIES ITS FLEET, UM, AND IT'S THEN STILL LEADING TO A POSITIVE IN, UH, INCREASE EMISSIONS? AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, CAN WE GET ALL THIS DATA AND SPREADSHEETS SO THAT WE CAN START CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS AND FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT A CARBON NEUTRAL BOND MIGHT PACKAGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE? SO THE FIRST QUESTION, UH, YES, IT ASSUMES THAT, UH, [00:30:01] THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH EVS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CHARGING THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UM, AND ON, ON A TIMELINE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE FLEET ANTICIPATES ELECTRIFICATION TO HAPPEN ON. UM, AND THE WAY SORT OF THE, WE DON'T NEED TO GET TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, BUT THE WAY THAT THE BEST PRACTICE FOR ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE EMISSIONS AVOIDED IS THAT THE CAR GETS HALF OF THE CREDIT AND THE CHARGER GETS THE OTHER HALF OF THE CREDIT. AND SO THOSE CHARGERS ARE GETTING HALF THE CREDIT FOR THE FLEET ELECTRIFICATION THERE AND, UH, AND FOR THE LIFETIME OF THE CHARGERS AND THE ASSET. YEAH. UH, OH, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION, UH, SPREADSHEET WITH EVERYTHING, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S KINDA LIKE DONALD'S QUESTION. IT, IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO PUT TOGETHER IN A WAY I THINK THAT WOULD BE USEFUL. AND THAT ISN'T, UM, IT'S LIKE UNDERSTANDABLE AND CLEAR. UM, SO WE CAN WORK ON THAT TOO. I THINK IT, WE WOULD NEED TO COMPLETE THE, ALL OF THE PROJECTS, I THINK FIRST AS WELL THOUGH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, RICH. YEAH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S A, A LOT OF WORK SINCE THE LAST THREE. WE EVEN HAVE A FULL MONTH. YOU HAD LIKE THREE WEEKS SINCE THE LAST MEETING. SO, UM, IT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. AND, UH, I GUESS SOME OF THE THINGS IS THEY OFFSET, WHEN I LOOK AT PARKLAND AND YOU'RE HAVING THAT, THE ALTERNATIVE ISN'T DISCUSSED. AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU ALL TO DO THAT, BUT I WANT TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. RIGHT. SO IF WE ARE NOT, IF IT'S NOT PARKLAND OR IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING ELSE, THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE THERE. THAT ALTERNATIVE COULD HAVE A HIGHER CARBON VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO IN THE CASE, IF IT'S LAND ACQUISITION FOR WHETHER IT'S WATERSHED OR PARKLAND, IT MAY BE IT'S, IT BECOMES DEVELOPMENT. IT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. THE, SO THAT'S JUST WANTED TO GET THAT THERE UNLESS YOU THINK OTHERWISE. I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY. SURE. UM, YEAH, AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT NEVER HAS EVER DEVELOPED AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, UM, BUT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IN YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT I DIDN'T ASSUME THAT IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE DEVELOPED IN MY ACCOUNT FOR THIS. YEAH. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF, AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE SLIDE WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, UM, DECISIONS. YOU TALK ABOUT MATTERING ABOUT LOW CARBON MATERIALS. I LOVE THAT CONVERSATION, THE ONSITE SOLAR. UM, BUT THERE'S STILL THE SIMILAR THINGS. THE WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS, WE DON'T NECESSARILY FULLY UNDERSTAND IT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? IF WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW ASSETS THAT ARE DEVELOPED, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? IT IS, IS IT GETTING IN THE CAR AND GOING ELSEWHERE? AND I THINK YOU BROUGHT THAT THE LAST MEETING. DON'T, THAT'S NOT, AND THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE. I GUESS THE, WHAT I DO HAVE A QUESTION IS, UM, LOOKING AT THE MONIES, RIGHT? FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS WE, THERE, THERE'S SUCH A, A HIGH DEGREE OF FUNDING THAT'S REQUIRED. AND I KNOW IF IT WAS ALL OF US, WE WOULD GO IN EXCESS OF THE THREE THREE, WELL AT LEAST I'M ASSUMING WE'D GO IN EXCESS OF 3.4 BILLION, BUT WE KNOW THAT'S NOT WHERE OUR REALITY IS ON ALTERNATIVE FUNDING. IS THERE A WAY WHERE YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND LOOK TO SEE WHERE THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER USE AN ESP, YOU KNOW, ESPC CONTRACT, ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I FORGOT WHAT'S, WHAT CHARLENE'S ORGANIZATION CALLED, UH, HAYING, UM, PACE, THE PACE PROGRAM, IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT, IS THERE ANY WAY TO KIND OF JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THERE? THIS MAY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS ON THE ESPC, NOW YOU CAN DO IT FROM THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT CODE REQUIRES, WHICH WE CAN FIND THAT, WHAT THAT BOND AMOUNT IS FROM WHAT CODE REQUIRES VERSUS THE HIGH PERFORMANCE BUILDING. AND THAT WE POTENTIALLY COULD GET FUNDING THROUGH THAT UTILITY SAVINGS BASED UPON THAT DELTA. RIGHT. SO, UM, MORE OF THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES AND THINGS AVAILABLE. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? I MEAN, WE, WE COULD LOOK INTO IT AND, AND DO SOME THINKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT QUANTIFY THAT. UM, NOT TOTALLY SURE THOUGH. AND I ALSO THINK IT, IT, THIS, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS QUANTIFIED AS, AS A SNAPSHOT IN TIME OF WHAT IT IS AS YOU WERE RECEIVING IT. YEAH. UM, AND WITH A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU COULD INCENTIVIZE OR REDUCE EMISSIONS. UH, A LOT OF THAT BOILS DOWN TO COSTS. AND A LOT OF THE DELIBERATIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE WITH THIS INFORMATION IS LIKE, HOW DO YOU REDUCE SOME OF THEM WITH THE FACILITIES AND HOW DO YOU REDUCE SOME OF THEM WITH, WITH OTHER PROJECTS? IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS Y'ALL. [3. Discussion and possible action to approve the BEATF Work Plan.] [00:35:05] OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE BTIF WORK PLAN. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS ON THAT. UH, ONE WAS A RED LINE, JUST THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS. AND THIS, I, I THINK THIS IS A HANDY, JUST SORT OF HELPS US LOOK FORWARD, SEE WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON COMING UP. AND I WOULD DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO ONE CHANGE THAT WAS NECESSITATED BY THE CITY STAFF'S, UM, UH, SCHEDULE. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ELIMINATED ONE MEETING. WE HAD HAD A LATER MEETING IN MAY, I GUESS THE 18TH. WE'RE NOW PROPOSING THAT WE'LL FINISH OUR WORK ON MAY THE FOURTH AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON MAY THE FOURTH WOULD BE HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT OUR FINAL PRESENTATION, OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. AND WE WOULD APPROVE IT AT THAT MEETING. SO FROM THAT DATE WORKING BACKWARD, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE GOT TWO MEETINGS IN APRIL, MARCH, FEBRUARY, JANUARY. THE IDEA BEING STARTING IN THE SECOND MEETING OF JANUARY, WE WOULD START TO HAVE THE WORKING GROUPS COMING TO THIS MEETING GIVING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT WORKING GROUP. AND SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT THIS FOR NOW. I'VE JUST RANDOMLY SLOTTED IN THE WORKING GROUPS IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO LOOK AT THE, AT WHAT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S COMING FIRST. JUST TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE WORK WITH EVERYONE IN THE ROOM TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY ISSUES. BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE TIME'S GONNA FLY BY AND THIS WORKING GROUP THAT'S COMING UP FIRST IN JANUARY IS GONNA BE, NEED TO BE READY TO GO, YOU KNOW, JANUARY 26TH, SHORTLY AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. UM, ACTUALLY IT'S JANUARY 12TH. WE'VE GOT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKING GROUP FIRST IN JANUARY. THAT MAY NOT MAKE SENSE. THAT GROUP MAY NEED MORE TIME. I'M, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS IF ANYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS AND HAS THOUGHTS ON THE ORDER IN WHICH WE'RE PRESENTING. RACHEL, UH, WE, WE DID HEAR FROM, UM, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING STAFF THAT THEY'RE COMING OUT WITH THIS NEXUS STUDY IN FEBRUARY THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL TO OUR GROUP. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ARE NOT FIRST. OKAY. SO, UM, THE LAST, LET'S, LET'S SEE, I'VE GOT MARCH THE NINTH IS WE'VE GOT TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION CURRENTLY WE CAN EVEN GO SO LATE AS MARCH THE 23RD. I HAVE ON THAT WE WOULD MIGHT BE HEARING FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WOULD YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING IN MARCH BASED ON THAT INFORMATION? GOOD IDEA. YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME. YEAH. DO YOU ANYBODY, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT ALSO, GIVEN THAT THEIR WORK COVERED SOME OF THE, THE WORKING GROUPS STUFF AND NOT HOUSING AND UH, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO BUMP A BIT LATER. I WANT TO HEAR FROM, FROM THE, OKAY. DO WE A CAR FOLKS? I DO WE HAVE A PREFERENCE OF THE NINTH VERSUS THE 26TH FROM OUR GROUP? I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THE NINTH AND IF WE HAVE TO PUNT ON THE NINTH, WE CAN. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN THIS CAN BE WORKING DOCUMENT TO YOU. YEAH. LIKE IF WE NEED TO GO, SO WE'LL MOVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THE NINTH. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOTTA FIND A NEW HOME FOR TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIFICATION. UM, IS THERE ANY GROUP THAT FEELS LIKE THEY ARE GONNA BE READY BY THE JANUARY THE 12TH AS OPPOSED TO OTHER GROUPS WANTS TO GO FIRST? , ANYBODY FROM TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIFICATION WANNA CHIME IN ON WHEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE MOVED TO, OR THEY COULD, WE COULD ALSO HAVE THEM PRESENT BOTH ON THE NINTH. I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH TIME IS GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THESE SESSIONS. SO IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD DO TWO, WE COULD ALSO MOVE THEM. ANYBODY FROM TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION, WANNA CHIME IN? AM I THE ONLY ONE ON TRANSPORTATION HERE? RIGHT? MAYBE. SO AND I'M NOT THE THE CHAIR ANYMORE, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF AND THEY'RE GONE. BUT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RIP THE BANDAID OFF AND, AND, AND PUT IT DOWN. SO I THINK PUTTING A HARD FAST DATE JUST MAKES US WORK FASTER. AND I THINK THE CITY'S PROVIDED ENOUGH DETAIL AROUND TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE A GOOD, A GOOD JUMPING OFF POINT. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO JUST GO JANUARY 12TH SWAP WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. GREAT. AND MAY THE FOURTH BE WITH US, RIGHT? YEAH. SOMEBODY HAD TO MAKE THE JOKE . THAT, THAT WAS GOOD. I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. I WAS SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PLANNING TO BE DONE WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION BY SINGULAR MILE. SO I'M HAPPY FOR THAT. I'M GAME WITH THAT TOO. I HAVE A, SORRY, A PROCESS QUESTION ABOUT THAT IF I COULD. SURE. UM, THERE'S A MEMO THAT WENT FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION TIMELINE IS SOONER. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. [00:40:01] THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WE HAVE, UM, HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH CDS STAFF AND ARE STICKING WITH OUR MAY 4TH DATE, AND THEY'VE AGREED TO THAT, THAT CONVERSATION I THINK ACTUALLY OCCURRED EITHER SHORTLY BEFORE OR SHORTLY AFTER THAT MEMO WENT OUT. OKAY. SO WE ARE STILL, DESPITE THAT MEMO, WE WILL BE DELIVERING OR APPROVING OURS MAY THE FOURTH. OKAY. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THEY HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE QUITE A RUNWAY BY WHICH THEY HAVE TO PREPARE THEIR PACKAGE FOR, UH, MAY COUNCIL ISH, MAY 21ST. COUNCIL TIMELINE. MM-HMM . WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME RUNWAY. WE CAN, WE CAN GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE FOURTH, EITHER THROUGH A MEMO OR PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL. IT'S SEPARATE, A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE. SO COUNSEL WILL BE GETTING TWO RECOMMENDATIONS ESSENTIALLY. THEY WILL, OUR RECOMMENDATION WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE PACKET WITH STAFF'S, WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE OUR MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING AS FAR IN ADVANCE AS THEY DO FOR POSTING REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO WE'RE STILL ON FOR THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THAT CONFUSION. , ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE WORK PLAN? SO JUST KIND OF TO RECAP, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE HAVING OUR MEETINGS WHERE WE WON'T NECESSARILY HEAR FROM A WORKING GROUP ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. AND STARTING IN JANUARY IS WHEN WE WILL START TO HEAR FROM THE WORKING GROUPS. UM, HOPEFULLY BY EARLY APRIL WE'RE STARTING TO PUT, UM, TRYING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND STARTING TO PUT A LITTLE STRUCTURE AROUND WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WILL BE. AND THEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UP TO THREE, TWO FULL MEETINGS. IF WE NEED MORE, WE'LL TAKE 'EM. BUT TO, UH, TO GET TO A, A FINAL RECOMMENDATION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT PROPOSED TIMELINE, TIMEFRAME, ANY CONCERNS? ARE WE GOOD TO KEEP THIS IN PLACE AS OF TODAY AND LOOK AT IT? AGAIN? I PLAN TO JUST KEEP BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE I THINK IT HELPS US STAY FOCUSED AND IF WE HAVE COME ACROSS ISSUES, WE'LL JUST REVISIT IT. GREAT. OKAY. UH, I GUESS I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE WORK PLAN TO MOVE THE TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION WORKING GROUP PRESENTATION TO THE 12TH AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO MARCH THE NINTH. SO MOVED. SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT. UH, MOVING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORK GROUP REPORT TO MARCH THE NINTH AND TRANSPORTATION TO JANUARY THE 12TH. RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. [4. Approve the 2026 meeting schedule of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force.] OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, APPROVE THE 2026 MEETING SCHEDULE OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE. OKAY, SO YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET ALSO A PRE, UH, A CHART OF OUR MEETINGS. SO LAST TIME WE MET, WE GENERALLY APPROVED THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, UH, SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH AND THE APPROXIMATE TIME, WE NOW HAVE MEETING LOCATION OPTIONS. UH, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A, A POSSIBLE LOCATION AT DITMAR THAT FELL THROUGH. SO WE NEED TO APPROVE WHERE WE WANT OUR MEETING, OUR ADDITIONAL MEETINGS TO BE HELD SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT TO NICOLE, WHO CAN THEN SUBMIT IT TO THE CLERK AND WE CAN RESERVE THOSE SPACES. SO DISCUSSION OF, WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVED FIRST MEN, UH, A REGULAR MONDAY FIRST MEETING IS TWO TO FOUR HERE IN THIS ROOM. THE ADDITIONAL, UH, MEETINGS WE CAN CHOOSE TO COME BACK HERE. THE, UH, PERMITTING AND DESIGN PERMITTING AND WHAT'S THAT CALLED? PERMITTING DEVELOPMENT CENTER. AND THEN, UH, WALLER CREEK, WHICH I NOW IS ESCAPING ME. BUT THAT'S ALSO, WHERE IS THAT NICOLE? THAT'S THE AUSTIN WATER HEADQUARTERS. UM, ON EIGHTH STREET. EIGHTH STREET, YES MA'AM. OKAY. THOUGHTS ON THAT LOCATION? WE CAN PICK ONE FOR ALL OF THEM. WE CAN TRY FOR MULTIPLE. I MEAN, IF WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE IT HERE, I THINK HAVE IT HERE. WE'RE ALL KIND OF ACCUSTOMED TO IT. I AGREE WITH THAT PART WAS EASY. I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO HAVE SOME, HAVE 'EM OUT IN THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO GET SOUTH AND THAT'S PD C'S A GOOD CENTRAL THEN I THINK WE'VE ALL GONE TO MEETINGS AT PDC. YEAH. IS THAT THE PERMIT? YEAH. YEAH. THE OLD A CC OR THE ACC HIGHLAND. THE OLD HIGHLAND. YEAH. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT ON THE TRAIN. PARKING. WELL THAT'S FOR ONE TRAIN. YOU HAVE A TRAIN, YOU TAKE A MULTIMODAL TRANSIT TO GET THERE. . OKAY. SO OTHER, UM, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK, I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR HAVING A MEETING AT PDC AND THEN I'M STILL DISAPPOINTED THAT WE COULDN'T FIND A SOUTH LOCATION OR A SOUTHEAST LOCATION. UM, AND IT, JUST TO GO BACK, MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STREAMING CAPABILITIES. YES, [00:45:01] SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO, UM, WHAT WAS THE CHALLENGE WITH THE OTHER LOCATION? WAS IT DIMAR? NO, DIMAR WAS THE DIMAR, YEAH. STREAMING PREFERRED SOUTH LOCATION. BUT THEY CANNOT, UM, HAVE OUR STREAMING. THEY CAN'T FILM AND CARRY IT LIVE OR HAVE THE, UM, CAPABILITIES ALSO FOR VIRTUAL ATTENDEES, UM, IF THEY CAN'T DO THEIR A TXN BACKGROUND STUFF. SO IS THERE A, IS THERE, I I LIKE SCHEDULING. LIKE WE CAN, I WOULD SAY EVEN JANUARY CAN, WE CAN MOVE, MAKE THE DECISION ON JANUARY FOR PD, UH, PDC, BUT THEN STILL KINDA WORK ON IT. LIKE, I'M WONDERING, ARE YOU ABLE TO, ARE WE ABLE TO WORK WITH A ISD OR, OR, UM, TRAVIS COUNTY, THEY'VE GOT THEIR HOMEWORK DONE. ATM IS, HAS SHRUNK THEIR, UM, FLUIDITY. THEY'RE NOT AS AVAILABLE. THEY'RE NOT AS MOBILE. YEAH. OKAY. SO JUST FOR THOSE WHO ARE MAYBE LISTENING ONLINE, UM, BARBARA SHACK HAD SAID THAT A TXN IS, DOESN'T HAVE THE, UM, REALLY THE CAPABILITIES ON THE MOBILITY SIDE TO DO THAT. SO I'M, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO MOTION THAT WE FLIP BETWEEN CITY HALL AND PDC CONSIDERING CITY HALL MIGHT BE THE MOST SOUTH LOCATION AND PDC IS THE MOST CENTRAL. IT WORKS FOR PD AND THAT AUSTIN ENERGY BUILDING IS NOT ANYMORE. UH, IT'S NOT AN OPTION. THEY HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THAT SAME DAY. SO IT'S A CONFLICT. BUT THE, THE SOUTH ONE, THEY DON'T MEET THERE ANYMORE ANYWAY. RIGHT. IT'S ONLY AT MUELLER NOW. CORRECT. OKAY. UH, SO THERE'S NO SOUTH LOCATION MA'AM? MA'AM, THERE IS NO SOUTH LOCATION. I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING . SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM, UM, THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE BOND ISSUE BECAUSE IF WE'RE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT WE ARE NEGLECTING SOUTH, SOUTH, SOUTH AUSTIN AND WE DO NOT ADVOCATE FOR THEM TO BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S ONGOING. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE THAT CASE FOR FAR NORTHWEST AUSTIN TOO THOUGH, SO MM-HMM . THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE. RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE, THAT IT'S THAT THEY DON'T WELL, I, I THINK IT'S ALMOST INTENTIONAL BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN THE PDC TOPIC WAS DISCUSSED YEARS AGO, PEOPLE WERE LIKE, NO ONE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO, FROM SOUTH OF THE RIVER, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S SOUTH OF THE RIVER. SO I JUST NEED TO MAKE A POINT. YEAH. AND, AND I COULD APPRECIATE THAT IF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAN'T SAY WHERE ARE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO HAVE BARRIERS FOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR TO ENGAGE. UM, AND THEN WONDERING WHERE, WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT. SO IT, I, I'M ACTUALLY, I SUPPORT LOOKING AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHETHER THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHERE THERE IS A FACILITY, PARTICULARLY SOUTH OF THE RIVER, WHETHER IT'S SOUTHEAST OR SOUTH CENTRAL, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE LOOK AT THAT CAPITAL, THAT RENOVATION TO CREATE THE CAPABILITY. SO YOU DON'T NEED A MOBILE, YOU KNOW, MOBILE CAPABILITIES. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE, I'D LIKE WHAT MEMBER CANNON HAS SUGGESTED, I GUESS THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD WOULD BE ALSO JUST TO DO THE ROTATION OF THE THREE. I I CAN'T, I'M OPEN TO EITHER. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? ANYBODY HAVE A FEEL STRONG FEELING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS NOT SEEING ANYBODY AS THEY'RE POSTED IN TIME AND PEOPLE CAN, AS LONG AS THEY'RE POSTED IN TIME ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE PLANS TO GET THERE. I MEAN, I, I THINK WHAT THE THING, THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO BE, UH, HAVE MEETING, HAVE SOME OF THESE MEETINGS OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL AND, AND I AM SECOND THE FRUSTRATION. I KNOW BARBARA SHACK HAS TRIED VERY HARD. I LOT STAFF HAS TRIED VERY HARD. WE PUSHED VERY HARD AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING. UM, HAVING SAID THAT, IF WE'RE JUST HAVING IT AT ANOTHER LOCATION THAT'S FIVE MINUTES FROM HERE OR 10 MINUTES FROM HERE, I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO DO THAT. BUT I CAN BE TALKED INTO IF IT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO PEOPLE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION. TO THE EXTENT THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO ATTEND OUR MEETINGS, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. OKAY. WHICH DISTRICT IS WALLER CREEK IN THAT LOCATION? IT'S RIGHT DOWNTOWN. I MEAN, IT'S, I JUST CAN'T, THAT'S PDC IN HERE. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA DECIDE ON THIS TODAY AND I CAN SUBMIT THE PAPERWORK BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'D [00:50:01] HAVE TO SUBMIT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DATES ARE AVAILABLE UNTIL WE, YOU KNOW, SECURE THE, MAKE SURE WE SECURE THE LOCATION SO WE CAN SURE. SEND OUR WISHLIST FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING. AND THEN I COME BACK IN DECEMBER IF SOMETHING'S NOT AVAILABLE. BUT WE NEED TO SOLIDIFY THE DATE, I MEAN THE TIME AND THE LOCATION SO I CAN GET OKAY. THE BALL GOING. MM-HMM . SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS A, A, A DESIRE TO HAVE SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS, IF NOT ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AT PDC. AM I HEARING THAT CORRECTLY? SOME, YEAH. SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WE CONTINUE THE FOURTH MONDAY OF THE MONTH HERE, THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH. PDC MM-HMM . AND WE CAN VOTE ON THAT AT MOMENT. UH, WE NEED TO TELL 'EM WHAT TIME WE WANT. AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME, UH, LAST TIME WE SPOKE, FIVE 30 WAS GONNA BE A CHALLENGE FOR FOLKS LEAVING WORK TO GET SOMEWHERE BY FIVE 30. SO SIX WAS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS PRESENTED. ANY THOUGHTS ON THE TIME OF THE MEETING? WE'RE GONNA BE AT PDC ANNA. WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP NORTH. THAT'S SAY SIX. YEAH. IS THAT, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 10, 12, 15 MINUTES FROM RIGHT HERE. PDC. YEAH, BUT NOT IN RUSH HOUR. UM, IS IT ON THE TRAIN? TRAIN DROPS YOU RIGHT THERE? YEAH. IS IT IT IS ON THE TRAIN. WELL, IT'S A, ITS A GOOD WALK FROM THE TRAIN STATION. THAT'S HOW I, THAT'S HOW I GET THERE. IT'S ON THE BACKSIDE OF SO THE TRAIN WOULD DROP YOU AT AIRPORT? NO, IT DROP YOU JUST EAST OF BUT 15 MINUTES. THIS IS FOR ME, MY SHORT LEGS RIGHT ON THE TRAIN TO THE PDC CENTER. YEAH, I WOULD SAY 6:00 PM JUST SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU HAVE QUORUM CHAIR AND PEOPLE AREN'T COMING LATE. I'M DEFINITELY LEANING TOWARDS SIX UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO ADVOCATE FOR THE EARLIER TIME. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UH, I THINK WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, ESTABLISH OUR LOCATION FOR THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH MEETINGS BEGINNING IN JANUARY AS PDC, THE TIME BEING SIX O'CLOCK. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION FOR ME? SO MOVED. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH. PDC AT 6:00 PM RAISE YOUR HAND. TINA CANNON. OKAY. GOTCHA. MS. ANNA. BUT, OH, IT'S ANNA. I'M SORRY. I JUST HEARD THE VOICE FROM ACROSS THE ROOM. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANKS EVERYBODY. OKAY, [5. Discussion and possible action to approve criteria to be used by full BEATF to prioritize projects recommended by Working Groups.] MOVING ON TO ITEM FIVE, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE CRITERIA TO BE USED BY THE FULL BTF TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS RECOMMENDED BY THE WORKING GROUPS. SO WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS CONCEPT OF A SET OF FOUR FIVES OR, UM, UH, UM, GOALS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE WHAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US. I'M BLANKING ON THE WORD. I'M TRYING TO USE PRIORITIES THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD. VALUE . FOUR OR FIVE VALUES THAT WE WILL HELP GUIDE US WHEN WE'RE BACK HERE IN MARCH, APRIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM EACH OF THE WORKING GROUPS AND HOW WE, UM, WILL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE CUTTING, YOU KNOW, WE GOT LESS THAN 700 MILLION ON A $4 BILLION, YOU KNOW, LIST. SO, UH, HEAVEN HELP US. UM, SO WE HAVE, I TOOK A SHOT LAST MEETING WITH SOME, UH, POTENTIAL VALUE STATEMENTS. I GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM A COUPLE OF FOLKS I'VE SENT AROUND A RED LINE. I STILL THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE QUESTIONS AND JUST TALK BIG PICTURE. HAVE WE HIT THE RIGHT VALUES? ARE WE LET, MAYBE WE JUST STAY AT THAT LEVEL FOR A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ALLEGATIONS? I THINK, SO BEFORE WE TAKE IT ANY FURTHER, ARE WE, ARE WE REALLY CLEAR THAT THE VALUES THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST SORT OF DRAFTED AND LOOKED AT THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, ARE, ARE CORRECT AND I THINK IT, IT MIGHT JUST BECAUSE, UH, UH, IT'S FRESH IN MY MIND. IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO START WITH THE VALUE THAT WAS AROUND CLIMATE CHANGE, BECAUSE WE'VE JUST HEARD, UM, FROM A CAR R ABOUT THE ANALYSIS AND, AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA MEAN FOR US. UM, SO IS IT OKAY IF WE START THERE? I WANNA MAYBE THINK ABOUT WHAT, HOW WOULD WE ARTICULATE THE VALUE THAT WE WANT THIS, UM, BOND TO REPRESENT RIGHT NOW? WE HAVE 2026 BOND PROJECTS SHOULD ADDRESS THE EFFECT IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE. IS THAT STILL A VALUE? IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT VALUE FOR THIS GROUP. I THINK AT A HIGH LEVEL, THE, SOME OF MY VALUATIONS THAT I I, AND IT'S A BIT OLD DRUM THAT I KEEP BEATING, IS THE MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT CRITERIA IN THERE ON EVALUATION OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE CONCERNS AND COSTS. [00:55:01] SO I WOULDN'T WANNA PUT FORTH A PROJECT THAT HAD SHINING VALUES ON ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND CARBON NEUTRAL AND ALL THE THINGS, BUT AT BANKRUPTS, RIGHT? EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE TRY AND DO AFTER THAT, NOT BANKRUPTS, BUT IS COST PROHIBITIVE DOWN THE ROAD. SO FOR ME, FINANCIAL STABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY IS AS IMPORTANT TO ME AS, AS THE ECONOMICS, UH, OR THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY PIECE. SO LEAVING ASIDE FOR THE MOMENT, THE RELATIVE WEIGHT OR YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA BALANCE IT MM-HMM . IF WE WERE TO WRITE THAT VALUE DOWN THOUGH, LIKE WHAT WOULD THE VALUE OF THE GROUP DO WE, I MEAN WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME FOLKS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, CARBON NEUTRAL BOND. UM, WE COULD WRITE THAT AS THE VALUE. I, I WANNA HEAR FROM YOU ALL ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD ARTICULATE WHAT YOU THINK THE VALUE IS IF YOU CAN. UM, I MEAN, IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS DOES THIS MOVE US? DOES IT MOVE THE NEEDLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? AND, AND, AND ALSO TO BE, UM, MINDFUL OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE VALUE. I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA APPLY THE VALUE TO EACH PROJECT AND SAY, DOES THIS, DOES IT NOT? BUT MORE SO ASSIGN, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE TO THE PACKAGE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RECOMMEND. DOES IT COST EFFECTIVELY REDUCE EMISSIONS? I THINK IT'S, FOR ME, A REAL VALUE POINT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY A VALUE POINT IS TO REDUCE EMISSIONS, BUT IF THAT IS THE, THE TOP BAR, BUT YET THE COST OF THAT EXACERBATES US BEING ABLE TO DO ANY OTHER PROJECTS. SO FOR ME, IT'S, I'M, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, THE OLD ACCOUNTING NERD IN ME THAT WE'RE COST EFFECTIVE IN OUR, IN REDUCING EMISSIONS. WE DO HAVE, I'VE RATTLED THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM. WE DO HAVE A CURRENT OTHER VALUE THAT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL OKAY. CONSIDERATIONS AND LEVERAGE. I'M WONDERING WHETHER FAIR THAT BECOMES COUNTERBALANCE TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR ISSUE. YEAH. FOR PURPOSES OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CLIMATE ASPECT OF THIS BOND, WHAT DOES THIS GROUP WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY AND, AND LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS AND SAY, THIS CHECKS THAT BOX ON THE, OUR VALUE, THE VALUE WE PLACE ON MAKING A POSITIVE IMPACT, UH, ON CLIMATE CHANGE? YEAH. NET LIFETIME CARBON IMPACT. BEN'S BEEN VERY PATIENT, BEN . TWO GOOD POINTS. I I AGREE. I I ALSO FEEL THAT I PUT IT EITHER IN THE ONE WITH THE FINANCIAL STUFF ABOUT LEVERAGE OR YEAH. EVEN THE COMMUNITY VALUE. DOES IT REFLECT THE PUBLIC'S PRIORITIES? UH, I THINK THE FINANCIAL CONCERNS RECENT ELECTIONS HAVE SHOWN US, UH, MANY CONVERSATIONS AT DOORSTEPS HAVE TAUGHT ME, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I WOULD PUT THAT OVER THERE. AND I LIKE THE PHRASING ON THIS, UH, ON WHEN IT COMES TO CLIMATE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS ALLOWS, UH, I THINK ABOUT, UH, NECESSARY, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CEMENT AND STEEL HEAVY. 'CAUSE IT'S DEALING WITH, LET'S SAY, FLOODING IMPACT, RIGHT? UH, THAT IS THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE BEING, BEING ADDRESSED BY THIS NE, YOU KNOW, UNNECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE. IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST, UH, YOU KNOW, REDUCING, BUT IT IS WITHIN THAT ENVELOPE. AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE IT HAS BOTH EFFECTS AND IMPACTS. WHEN YOU SAY YOU LIKE WHAT I LIKE THE PHRASING THAT WE HAVE ON THE SLIDE RIGHT NOW, 2026 BOND PROJECTS SHOULD ADDRESS THE EFFECTS OF SLASH IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE. I GUESS I WOULD JUST CHALLENGE MY OWN DRAFTING. , SHOULD ADDRESS, IS THAT THE BAR? BECAUSE ADDRESS IS A PRETTY LOW BAR, YOU KNOW? YEAH. LIKE DO, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR LIKE US TO SIGN SOME TYPE OF NUMERICAL, LIKE CARBON SCORING? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET. LUKE HAS, AND I'LL SAY THAT I WILL, I WILL DEFER TO, TO SMARTER HEADS IN THE ROOM ON THIS TOPIC. UH, I, I WANNA HEAR WHAT LUKE HAS TO SAY. LUKE, WOULD YOU CHIME IN FOR US? OH, SURE. WELL, I, I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY NO SURPRISE THAT I SUPPORT, UH, STRONGER LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SAY, YEAH, LEAST CARBON NEUTRAL. UH, AND IDEALLY NEGATIVE AS WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY PEOPLE INCLUDING TODAY, UH, URGE US TO TAKE ACTION ON, ON CLIMATE. BUT THEN ON TOP OF THAT, I AGREE WITH TINA THAT YEAH, WE NEED TO FIND, UH, HOW DO WE DO THAT AS MOST COST EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE. I AGREE WITH BEN THAT WE ALSO NEED TO FACTOR IN SOME OF THE, UH, RESILIENCE BENEFITS THAT MAY HAVE HAVE HIGHER, UH, CARBON EMISSIONS, BUT WE'LL HOPEFULLY MORE THAN OFFSET THOSE WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE OPEN SPACE ACQUISITIONS, ELECTRIFICATION, ET CETERA. UH, I'M ALSO, UM, JUST FROM PARTICIPATION IN THE TRANSPORTATION WORK GROUP, UH, MINDFUL THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY, UH, NEEDS FOR THE CITY, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, REBUILDING BRIDGES THAT WE DON'T WANT TO FALL DOWN, UH, AND KILL SOMEBODY. AND SO THAT'S ALSO A, UM, A HIGH VALUE, [01:00:01] UM, THAT I WOULD PLACE. BUT YEAH, IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFIC ONE ON CLIMATE, UM, I, I WOULD URGE US TO ADOPT A, UH, A SPECIFIC AND, UH, NUMERICAL KIND OF VALUE AS POSSIBLE. AND IDEALLY AT LEAST CARBON NEUTRAL, WHICH I THINK WE CAN DO, I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE JUST BASED ON THE ANALYSIS WE SAW, UH, TODAY. UM, I THINK IF WE HAVE A MIX OF ALL THESE PROJECTS, UM, UH, AND INCLUDING A LOT OF THE FACILITIES. UM, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE BARS AND SO ON, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE FACILITIES, UH, DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A VERY LARGE, UM, CLIMATE IMPACT. AND SO, UH, IF WE OFF, YOU KNOW, UH, BALANCE THOSE WITH LOTS OF OPEN SPACE AND ELECTRIFICATION EFFORTS, I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY GET THERE. OKAY. SO PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE WOULD BE THAT THE VALUE IS THE 2026 BOND PROJECT SHOULD BE CARBON NEUTRAL. LOTS OF PANTS. OKAY. UM, I LIKE THAT SENTIMENT, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE BARS, I AM JUST GONNA BE THE DARK GUY IN THE ROOM AND SAY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I THINK IF WE SAY THAT BOND HAS TO BE FULLY CARBON NEUTRAL MM-HMM . THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE AN INCREDIBLY HARD PART. YEAH. I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY VALUE TO MINIMIZE OR LIKE, UH, MITIGATE, I, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA SET UP THE COMMUNITY FOR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT COULD HAPPEN. I THINK WE COULD SAY MINIMIZE, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. EVEN, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS HERE, RIGHT? STRIVE THOSE, THOSE OPEN SPACE OFFSETS ARE NOT COVERING MOST OF THIS. ARE THERE WORDS THAT WE COULD USE THAT MORE LIKE YEAH, YOU CAN WEIGHT IT, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE, THE LOWER I MADE ME SAY IT WRONG, BUT RIGHT. THE LOWER THE COST PER TON, MAYBE THE HIGHER SCORE THAT IT GETS. AND NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA GO COMPLETELY CARBON NEUTRAL, BUT WE WANNA RECOGNIZE YEAH. THAT IN THE EQUATION. I'M, I'M GONNA JUMP IN AND SAY, I'M HOPING THAT AT THE WORKING GROUP LEVEL IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT KIND OF, YOU GUYS WILL DO THAT SCORING. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, SO YOU'LL BRING TO US NO RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS THE VALUE THAT THE B TIFF'S GONNA LOOK FOR WHEN WE COME BACK WITH ALL THE PROJECTS YOU'LL PRESENT TO US AND SAY, HERE'S HOW WE, YOU KNOW, THEY RANKED ON, ON, ON DIFFERENT METRICS. THAT BEING ONE OF THEM. DO WE, DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH LANGUAGE THAT THE 2026 BOND PROJECTS SHOULD, UM, I LOST WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA SAY. SHOULD YOU HAVE IDEAS, PLEASE? WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING, SO IF WE SORT OF MAKE A DECLARATIVE STATEMENT NOW, AND THEN WE GO OUT AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE'RE HEARING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, X STREET MUST BE REDONE WHERE WE ARE WE SAYING WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE THE CLIMATE OVER PUBLIC INPUT? 'CAUSE WE DID HEAR THAT TRANSPORTATION WAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST NEEDS, AND I DON'T, I DIDN'T GET TO DIG INTO THAT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND IF WE ARE, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, IT, I GUESS ARE WE, IF WE MAKE THE STATEMENT NOW, ARE WE GOING TO GO THEN EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DECIDED WE ARE NOT GOING TO ENTERTAIN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS? GOSH, I WASN'T THINKING THAT, BUT IT'S A GOOD POINT. I WAS THINKING THAT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE BACK HERE IN MARCH AND WE'VE GOT FOUR OR FIVE VALUE STATEMENTS THAT VALUE THAT CLIMATE VALUE, IT'S WEIGHED AGAINST THE, WHETHER IT'S A SAFETY VALUE OR A FINANCIAL VALUE, UM, I'M KIND OF PUNTING ON . YEAH. THE, THE, THE, HOW DO WE THOSE WORK TOGETHER? I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE. I'M NOT SUGGESTING ONE CHUNKS ANOTHER YEAH, NO, I'M NOT AT THIS POINT. YEAH, I WASN'T SAYING THAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT, BUT I THINK IF WE VOTE TO SAY IT'S GONNA BE CLIMATE NEUTRAL, WE THEN HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE MIGHT GET PUBLIC INPUT THAT GOES AGAINST THAT DESIRE AND WE WILL BE MAKING A DECISION AHEAD OF TIME. RIGHT. MAY DISCOUNT A BRIDGE BEING A MUCH NEEDED BRIDGE HAPPENING THAT WE, UM, VERSUS, I, I, I GUESS A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY FOLKS IS, IS THERE ENOUGH TO OUT, LIKE, IF WE ARE DOING THIS KIND OF BALANCING ACT, I DON'T HAVE A SENSE LOOKING AT THIS, IS THERE AN OPEN SPACE SPEND THAT OUTWEIGHS THE, LIKE IT'S NEGATIVE 80 K? WELL, THEY ARE, BUT I THINK THAT CARBON IS RIGHT. IT'S THAT ONE, IT'S ONE METRIC, RIGHT? THE CARBON IMPACT IS ONE METRIC, AND THEN THE FINANCIAL IS ANOTHER IMPACT. THE ONGOING OPERATIONAL COSTS COSTS. RACHEL SAYING, IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE? YEAH. I'M SAYING IS IT POSSIBLE TO WEIGH THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL? YEAH. I THINK LUKE WAS SAYING THAT HE THOUGHT, LOOKING AT IT, THERE WAS A WAY TO GET THERE. I MEAN, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE HIGHEST SAVINGS ON THE WELL, YEAH, WE'D, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO DO SOME MATH . YEAH. IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE YOU HAVE TO RUN THE PROFORMA THROUGH IT FIRST. SO WITH A COUPLE PROJECTS TO SEE HOW ARE YOU FEELING RIGHT WITH IT. BECAUSE I, I, SO I THINK I'M KIND OF LIKE WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS AT. I YES, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE CLIMATE. I'M, YOU KNOW, MY, [01:05:01] THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO APPOINTED ME IS VERY CONCERNED OF THE CLIMATE. AND THEN WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER CAPITAL, REAL CAPITAL NEEDS THAT WE GO THROUGH A FIVE TO SIX YEAR BOND CYCLE THAT ALSO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND SO HOW DO WE BALANCE IT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS ARE BEING TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION. WE WANT TO KNOW IF ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WAS OUT THE DOOR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, CRAZY NUMBER OR THERE, IT'S A DATA POINT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL DRIVE MY PERSONAL DECISION, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TAKING IT ALL, EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION GIVEN THE, THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE. AND EVEN IN THAT CONSIDERATION GOES BACK TO AN ESPC, YOU KNOW, ENERGY SAVINGS, PERFORMANCE CONTRACT. CAN THAT BE LAYERED ON IN ORDER TO GET US THERE FOR THAT PROJECT. SO, UM, I, THIS IS A LONG WAY OF SAYING FOR YOUR LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW. I, I ACTUALLY GOOD WITH WHERE IT'S AT UNTIL WE RUN A COUPLE PROJECTS THROUGH IT TO SEE HOW IT SCORES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO THAT AS A GROUP OR AS INDIVIDUALS. LUKE, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? I THOUGHT I SAW YOU STARTING TO TALK. OH, WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA ALSO MENTION THAT I, I, I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I BELIEVE ALSO SOME OF THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS AND SOME OF THE OTHER SIDEWALK AND OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, NON SINGLE VEHICLE, UH, SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE TRAVEL ALSO REDUCE EMISSIONS. AND SO JUST, IT'S NOT JUST OPEN SPACE THAT ARE THE ONES THAT WILL REDUCE EMISSIONS. SO I THINK, UM, OH, OKAY. YEAH. CHAIR. SURE. I'VE JUST BEEN ITCHING TO SAY THIS, WHATEVER WE DO ABOUT GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THE TEMPERATURE HERE IN AUSTIN. GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS HAPPEN ALL OVER THE PLANET. SO IT IS GOOD FOR ALL CITIES TO TAKE THAT. BUT WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LOCALLY ARE THINGS LIKE PARTICULATE MATTER AND OZONE AND OTHER POLLUTANTS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE ABOUT, AS PROJECTS SHOULD BE AS GREEN AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST CARBON THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A RANGE OF POLLUTANTS. HYDROCARBONS COME FROM MOTOR VEHICLES, HYDROCARBONS COME FROM FIRES. PARTICULATE MATTER COME FROM FIRES AND MOTOR VEHICLES, ET CETERA. AND SO, UM, JUST BEING CONCERNED ABOUT CARBON EMISSIONS IS NOT REALLY GONNA SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS HERE IN AUSTIN. UM, IT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL FOR THE WHOLE WORLD, BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IS OTHER EMISSIONS. WELL, IN THAT, UH, 'CAUSE I WAS THINKING WE JUST HAD OUR PRESENTATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE FACILITIES WORKING GROUP AND THINGS SOUNDED QUITE DIRE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK FIRE IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIKE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE ALSO RESILIENCY. UM, SO I WOULDN'T, I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT ALL OF THIS INSTEAD OF, UM, 'CAUSE LIKE I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE THE NEW FIRE THAT NEEDED FIRE STATION THAT'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION KICKED OUT IN ORDER TO PREVENT ITS CLIMATE IMPACTS WHEN WE SO JUST, RIGHT. YEAH, I HEAR YOU. I'M WONDERING, I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS SATISFACTORY LANGUAGE TO EVERYBODY THAT IS, THAT IS THAT WE ARE WORKING OR HOPING THAT THE BOND PROJECTS ARE MOVING US IN A DIRECTION OF ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE SO THAT WE'RE MINDFUL OF THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. MM-HMM . I, I'M, I'M, I'M THINKING ADDRESS THE EFFECTS IS A LITTLE WEAK, BUT I'M OPEN TO IDEAS ABOUT THAT, HOW THAT LANGUAGE, I FEEL LIKE EVERETT, DONALD, I'LL STOP TALKING. . OH, I, I WASN'T TRYING TO INTERRUPT. NO, IT'S FINE. I WAS GONNA SUGGEST FOR, IN TERMS OF LANGUAGE, MINIMIZE CARBON EMISSIONS AND MITIGATE CLIMATE NEGATIVE CLIMATE IMPACTS. MINIMIZE AND MITIGATE, MINIMIZE. SAY IT AGAIN. I'M GONNA WRITE IT DOWN SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. UH, MINIMIZE NET CARBON EMISSIONS, MITIGATE CLIMATE IMPACTS. I LIKE THE WORD MITIGATE. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, OH, SHOOT. OKAY. THE 2026 BOND PROJECT SHOULD MINIMIZE NET CARBON. WHAT'D YOU SAY? EMISSIONS AND NET CARBON EMISSIONS. AND MITIGATE CLIMATE IMPACTS. YEAH. AND WE COULD, WE COULD EX AND, AND, AND MINIMIZE COULD BE EXPANDED TO OTHER, OTHER AREAS. YEAH. MEAN CLIMATE RESILIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO DRAINAGE AND FLOODING AND YEAH. CLIMATE RESILIENCE. I JUST, I'M OVER HERE THINKING OF HOW WOULD I GO TO A COMMUNITY AND SELL THIS? AND I'M OVER HERE THINKING THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKING ME HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPROVE MY QUALITY OF LIFE? WHAT'S THE BASELINE RIGHT NOW ON AIR QUALITY? WHAT'S THE BASELINE RIGHT NOW ON WATER QUALITY? UM, ALSO WALKABILITY SCORE. I AM ALWAYS AMUSED BY DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE WAY, WAY, WAY OUT THERE. AND IT'S REFERRED TO AS SMART HOUSING, BUT YET, AND IT'S FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT YET THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE PUT WAY, WAY [01:10:01] OUT THERE ARE THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE ANY TRANSPORTATION. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA BE LOOKING LIKE WHAT'S IN, THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKING WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME IF I'M, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME TO GIVE MONEY MM-HMM . WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME? SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE? YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW, UM, PUBLIC HEALTH. IF PEOPLE ARE LIVING AROUND INDUSTRIAL ZONES, I CAN ASSURE YOU WATER QUALITY IS POOR. NOT WATER. WELL, WATER, SOIL AS WELL AS AIR QUALITY. SO, YEAH. WHAT ARE WE, WHAT'S IN IT FOR THE COMMUNITY? 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKING THAT. SO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT MY BASELINE IS RIGHT NOW? AND HOW IS THIS GONNA HELP IMPROVE THE DAMAGE THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW? IT FEELS LIKE BASELINE'S GONNA BE A, A SOMEWHAT OF A HARD ONE. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME DATA SETS. I DO LIKE MEMBER JACKSON'S, UM, REVISIONS. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TALK TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, THAT THEY CAN LOOK AND FEEL, HOPEFULLY WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECTS. 'CAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS IMPORTANT WORK. SO, OKAY. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF MEMBER JACKSON'S CHANGES AND I CERTAINLY AM APPRECIATIVE, I DO WANNA SAY WITH, UM, WITH BOARD MEMBER, UH, ME'S UH, REAL THOUGHTFULNESS RELATING TO THE ISSUE AND HOW, HOW PROJECTS ARE VIEWED AND JUDGED. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTED. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE WANNA CHIME IN? I THINK CURRENTLY WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING THE DONALD'S REVISIONS. ANYONE ELSE WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT WHETHER THEY WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING AT LEAST THE VALUE STATEMENT THAT WE WOULD USE WHEN THE PROJECTS COME TO US? I CAN RE REREAD IT IF YOU WANNA HEAR IT AGAIN THERE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. DO WE? YES. IS IT, UM, TO BUILD OFF OF WHAT DONALD SAID, CAN WE, UH, CHANGE THE TERM TO LESSEN OR REDUCE, JUST TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT MITIGATE MEANS? GREAT. WHICH ONE DO YOU, WHICH WORD DO YOU LIKE, YOU THINK IS BEST LESSON? NO. REDUCE, UM, REDUCE IMPACT, REDUCE. IT'S JUST UHHUH, REDUCE. IT'S JUST PLAIN, PLAIN OLD LANGUAGE. MY GRANDMA WOULD UNDERSTAND. OKAY. OKAY. LET ME READ IT TO YOU. AND EVERYONE THINK ABOUT THEIR GRANDMOTHERS, THEIR NEIGHBORS 20, NOT THAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE THIS, BUT 20, 26 BOND PROJECTS SHOULD MINIMIZE NET CARBON EMISSIONS AND REDUCE THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. SO MOVED. . I MEAN, THIS IS STILL, WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS AND STILL KINDA DRAFT, BUT I, I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE MEAT ON THE BONE ON SOME OF THESE. SO DOES EVERYBODY GET THAT? THE CARBON EMISSIONS GO OUT INTO THE ENTIRE ATMOSPHERE? SO IF WE CUT CARBON EMISSIONS HERE, DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE TEMPERATURE IS GONNA DROP? WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE POINT. THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD THOUGH. LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA MITIGATE IT WORLDWIDE OR, WELL, THE POINT IS THAT IT, IT, WE CAN'T PAINT THE PICTURE THAT IF WE CUT CARBON, IF WE'RE CARBON NEUTRAL, THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTROL CLIMATE CHANGE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE SAYING THAT ALL CITIES HAVE TO DO THAT. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY LIKE, TO LESSEN THE CONTRIBUTION TO I WOULD LIKE TO, YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT ALSO I THINK WE COULD ALSO LIMIT PARTICULATE MATTER. WE COULD LIMIT OZONE, UH, WE COULD LIMIT OTHER POLLUTANTS THAT AFFECT HUMAN HEALTH. WOULD THAT BE PART, I MEAN, ONCE WE GET BEYOND THE VALUE SIDE, COULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE A MEAN TO ADD, HAVE THAT AS ONE OF THE EVALUATION CRITERIA? I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE SEPARATE. I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL ONE, UM, UH, EQUITABILITY. ONE FINANCIAL, UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER CATEGORY? WELL, THIS WOULD BE UNDER PUBLIC IMPACT. LIKE PUBLIC SUPPORT. YEAH. YEAH. THIS WOULD BE UNDER THE CLIMATE, BUT IT WOULD BE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE, WE HAVE THE VALUE THEN HOW IT'S EVALUATED. AND SO USING THAT AS THE EVALUATION CRITERIA IS WHERE I WAS GOING. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA OR ONE POINT VALUE. YEAH. ROBERT, I, I, I THINK DAVE HAS A GOOD POINT THAT THERE ARE MORE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAN JUST CLIMATE CHANGE THAT MIGHT BE MORE, HAVE MORE IMPACT LOCALLY THAN THEY WOULD GLOBALLY. SO MAYBE CHANGING THE LANGUAGE FROM, FROM THE EFFECT OF CLIMATE CHANGE, SAY, UH, THAT THE PROJECT SHOULD ADDRESS OR MINIMIZE OR CONSIDER THE, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS [01:15:01] OF THE PROJECT, BECAUSE THAT'S A BROADER CATEGORY. AND IT MAY GIVE THE WORKING GROUPS MORE THINGS TO LOOK AT IF IT IS PARTICULAR MATTER OR THINGS LIKE THAT. I WOULD SAY YES, SAY INCLUDE CARBON AS AN ISSUE, BUT THEN ALSO POINT OUT, BUT UNDERNEATH THE UMBRELLA, OZONE, OTHER POLLUTANTS. RIGHT. JUST, I, I THINK THE, THE UMBRELLA OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS COULD INCLUDE, YOU COULD ALSO SAY CLIMATE CHANGE. YEAH. BUT MAYBE LISTING SOME OTHER FACTORS MIGHT MAKE IT MORE UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M COMING, THAT'S MY POINT. OKAY. SO IT SOUND SORRY, DOES THE OTHER ARM, LUKE HAS HIS HAND UP TOO. OKAY. LUKE? YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T OVERLY COMPLICATE THIS THING. IT'S ALREADY, WE HAVE SO MANY FACTORS. I THINK CARBON IS ONE, UH, IMPORTANT, THE MOST IMPORTANT ON ITS OWN, BUT IT'S ALSO A GOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS CAPTURE A LOT OF THE OTHER EMISSIONS THAT DAVE IS TALKING ABOUT. TRANSPORTATION'S THE LARGEST SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN AUSTIN. THERE ARE ALSO THE LAR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LARGEST SOURCES OF, YOU KNOW, SMOG FORMING POLLUTANTS IN PARTICULATE POLLUTANTS. AND SO IF WE'RE ADDRESSING CARBON, WE'RE HELPING WITH THOSE OTHER ONES. SO I WOULD SUGGEST LET'S NOT OVERLY COMPLICATED. CERTAINLY WE CAN FACT THINK ABOUT THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT, UH, I THINK KEEPING IT FOCUSED ON CARBON MIGHT BE THE SIMPLEST. AND THEN, UH, IN TERMS OF JUST THE, UH, A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ULTIMATELY SUPPORT A BOND PACKAGE THAT INCREASES EMISSIONS, MAKES THE PROBLEM WORSE FOR THE CLIMATE. UM, SO I DO THINK WE NEED A STRONGER METRIC THAN JUST TO LESSEN. OKAY. SO WHAT I, DONALD, BEFORE I TRY TO SUM UP WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING, . OKAY. SO I, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE WE WERE OKAY WITH THE FIRST HALF, 20, 26 BOND PROJECT SHOULD MINIMIZE NET CARBON EMISSIONS. AND THEN THE SECOND HALF WAS WE HAD REDUCED THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE WITH THE IDEA FROM ROBERT AND DAVE, THAT THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO MORE BROADLY ADDRESS, UM, THAT THE PROJECT SHOULD ADDRESS OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS. I'M NOT DOING A GREAT JOB OF THE WORDSMITHING OF THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING AT LEAST THAT SECOND HALF PIECE NEEDS TO CHANGE TO, UM, TO NOT BE LIMITED TO CLIMATE CHANGE. I MEAN, YOU COULD USE TERMS LIKE OZONE IN PARTICULATE MATTER. WELL, I'M TRYING TO BE LIKE, COME UP WITH A, UH, MORE, A LITTLE MORE BROAD UMBRELLA FOR THAT. AND I THINK WE TALKED MENTIONED LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS. JUST I NEED A LITTLE HELP WITH HOW, OR YOU COULD SAY AIR POLLUTION PERIOD SHOULD WHAT, WHAT INSTEAD OF NAMING INDIVIDUAL POLLUTANTS LIKE OZONE IN PARTICULATE MATTER, YOU COULD SIMPLY SAY, UH, CLIMATE CHANGE AND AIR POLLUTION OR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND AIR POLLUTION. OKAY. SOMEBODY SAY THAT TO ME IN FULL 2026 BOND PROJECT SHOULD MINIMIZE NET CARBON EMISSIONS AND, AND AIR AND OTHER FORMS OF AIR POLLUTION. DOES IT HAVE TO BE AIR? WE JUST SAY POLLUTION BECAUSE WATER, WATER POLLUTION IS ALSO OIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. JUST POLLUTION. OKAY. SURE. AND OTHER FORMS OF POLLUTION SHOULD MINIMIZE NET CARBON EMISSIONS AND OTHER FORMS OF POLLUTION. SURE. HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THAT? IT, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S EVALUATION CRITERIA. I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAD PUT UP WHERE IT SHOWS THE BTF VALUE AND THE QUESTION AND EVALUATION CRITERIA PUT UP ON THE SCREEN SO EVERYBODY HAS IT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. YEAH. I, I, I, I THINK I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE VALUE IS THIS BROADER UMBRELLA AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE SHOULD ASK OURSELVES WHEN WE'RE DECIDING WHETHER WE HAVE MET THAT VALUE, WOULD IT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, IS IT REDUCING OTHER POLLUTANTS? IS IT ADDRESSING, CAN'T WE JUST SAY LIKE, TOWARDS THE GOAL OF LIKE NET ZERO IN REDUCING POLLUTION? BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET THERE, WE HAVE TO TOWARDS THE GOAL OF WORKING. YEAH, I, I I LIKE THAT. I JUST AM TRYING TO, UM, FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY IT. LET'S, COULD WE, COULD WE SAY THAT, COULD WE PUT THE, YOU SAY IT TO ME, SHOULD WORK TOWARD A NET, THE GOAL OF A NET ZERO, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE IMPACT. I MEAN, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA GET TO THE DAY AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN'T, WE, THE NUMBER, THE MATH ACTUALLY DOESN'T MATH. UM, SO THAT'S MY ONLY RESERVATION. YEAH. THINK IT'S THE EXACT, I THINK I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU. PRIVATE. YEAH. LIKE CHART. YEAH. I THINK IF THEY HAD EVEN MADE, IT JUST MADE THESE LITTLE PIE CHARTS SO THAT WE COULD SEE THE WHOLE THING AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT IT'S HARD TO PUT THIS INFO. THE 2026 BOND PROJECT SHOULD WORK TOWARDS THE GOAL OF NET ZERO. I'M MISSING SOMETHING. WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE TERMINOLOGY? [01:20:04] CLIMATE IMPACTS AND INCREASED POLLUTION, NET ZERO CLIMATE IMPACT. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS, UM, I'M, I'M NOT AN EXPERT HERE. SO WHERE, SO WHAT ARE WE, UM, WHERE IS THIS TEXT GOING OR IS IT JUST FOR OUR CRITERIA? YEAH, YEAH. THIS IS JUST FOR US. OKAY. I'LL PUT A RACHEL FORM ON IT. RACHEL, ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY JUST MITIGATING WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, WHICH IS WORK TOWARDS A CARBON NEUTRAL BOND PACKAGE, RECOGNIZING IT MIGHT BE HARD TO DO THAT, BUT IS IS THAT THE YEAH, I'M JUST WORRIED. I'M WORRIED THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, UM, STUFF THAT REDUCES, IMPACTS THAT IT MAY NOT BE MATHEMATICALLY POSSIBLE. SO I JUST DON'T WANNA LOCK US INTO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE REALLY NEED THIS BRIDGE, BUT WE SAID NO CLIMATE IMPACT. SO SORRY. RIGHT. AND NOW THERE'S GONNA BE A HOLE IN THE GROUND. AGREED. AGREED. I JUST THINK FOR THE CHAIR'S LANGUAGE, NOT NET ZERO, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING CARBON NEUTRAL IS WHAT? CARBON NEUTRAL. YEAH. YOU MEANT, RIGHT? YES. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. SORRY. SO WORK TOWARD, I'D BE, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT TOWARDS 26 TOWARDS THE GOAL. SORRY. THE 2026 BOND SHOULD WORK TOWARD CARBON NEUTRAL. NO, THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. BUT I, I THINK I KNOW ENOUGH. I THINK I HEAR YOU AND I CAN WORDSMITH THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THE CON CARBON NEUTRAL, UH, BOND PACKAGE. RIGHT. WORK TOWARDS IT. OKAY. I'M GONNA LEAVE THAT ONE FOR THE MOMENT UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS MORE THOUGHTS ON THAT AND SEND A NEW DRAFT AROUND. OKAY. JUST A REMINDER THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT SLIDE, NOT THE QUESTIONS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT SLIDE. WE'RE ON THE VALUE SIDE. AGREED. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SUGGEST QUESTIONS FOR THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE IS MORE THAN WELL . WELL, I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO INCORPORATE MEMBER SULLIVAN'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE WE SEE AIR POLLUTION JUST FOR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF THEM. IT'S, YOU KNOW, PROJECT DOES PROJECT OR PROGRAM REDUCE AIR POLLUTION. UM, AND THERE'S SOME NUMBER OF OTHER CRITERIA, BUT I THINK THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THAT MEMBER SULLIVAN, UM, STATED, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. GREAT. OKAY. SO I NOTED A COUPLE THINGS. THE THREE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY LEFT ARE THE 2026 BOND PROJECT SHOULD REFLECT THE PUBLIC'S PRIORITIES. 2026 BOND SHOULD FUND VIABLE PROJECTS WITH POTENTIAL FOR LEVERAGE. THAT'S THE FINANCIAL ONE. AND THEN THE 2026 BOND SHOULD ADDRESS HISTORIC INEQUITIES. THAT'S THE GAPS IN FUNDING. I DID HEAR SAFETY AND HEALTH AS CONCEPTS THAT PEOPLE ARE HEARING A LOT ABOUT. AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE NEED TO ADD A VALUE OR DOES THAT LIVE SOMEWHERE AMONGST THE VALUES? I THINK WAS IT, WAS IT ACROSS THE BOARD CITYWIDE IN TERMS OF SAFETY ISSUES AND WHAT YOU WERE HEARING ABOUT RACHEL? OR WAS IT IN PARTICULAR UNDERFUNDED COMMUNITY? UM, I, WELL SAFETY IS A FUNNY WORD, UH, THAT I WOULD BE NERVOUS ABOUT. BUT I THINK, UM, THE, THE FIRE AND EMS, UH, SOME PIECES WE WERE HEARING, I, I HEARD ON OUR CALL THAT WE ARE LIKE FALLING BELOW CERTAIN STANDARDS. SO I WOULD, I THINK SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE EMERGENCY HEALTH RESPONSE TIMES THAT YOU ARE MEETING NATIONAL STANDARDS. UM, I, I THINK SAFETY IS A FUNNY WORD. 'CAUSE I THINK PEOPLE TAKE SAFETY IN DIFFERENT WAYS. RIGHT? OKAY. BUT MAYBE THERE IS YET A DIFFERENT VALUE. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT, THAT I THINK THAT CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE REALLY ALLOWS THAT TO BE, UH, PER UP, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, YOU KNOW, TO THE TOP AS A TOP VALUE OF THIS GROUP IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA CONSIDER ADDING. WELL, I MEAN, IT COULD BE HISTORIC INEQUITY IN A SENSE, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT A, A MISSING FIRE STATION IN A PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN, BUT IS CAUSING RESPONSE TIMES TO BE SLOWER IN THE SERVICES FOR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL IN REACTION TIME TO BE SLOWER. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, MAYBE IN THE, IN THE REALM OF A GAP, ARE WE CORRECTING GAPS IN SERVICES? YEAH. THAT WOULD ELIMINATE SAFETY OR OTHER POTENTIAL HEALTH CONCERN, LIFE SAFETY CONCERN. WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T THAT ALSO FALL UNDER THE PUBLIC PRIORITIES? THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH. OKAY. SO MAYBE IT DOES. I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR, RIGHT. WELL, OR CONCERN. SO THIS IS MY CONCERN IS THAT AS WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE FACILITIES FOLKS, I THINK A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE FALLING APART AND QUITE REQUIRED ARE NOT THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR. UM, AND SO THAT YEAH. DOES, SO THAT'S NOT ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE THERE. YEAH. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, NEEDING A NEW COURTHOUSE BECAUSE PEOPLE'S PEOPLE ARE GETTING BASICALLY [01:25:01] ARRESTED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MAKING IT TO THEIR COURT APPOINTMENTS. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HUGE NEED, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANT PEOPLE GETTING ARRESTED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE IT TO THEIR COURT APPOINTMENT. SO THE SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING A LOT ABOUT WHAT ARE THE MUST HAVES VERSUS THE NICE TO HAVES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF PUBLIC PRIORITY IS ALWAYS A MUST HAVE VERSUS A NICE TO HAVE AND IT'S VERY CHALLENGING. UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT. AND I THINK ON THAT SPREADSHEET THAT HAD ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, I DON'T THINK I RECALLED SEEING LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PRIORITIZING. YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT, UM, AND THEIR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES, UNLESS THEY'RE THE PERSON WHO NEEDS TO GET TO COURT MM-HMM . RIGHT. YOU DO HEAR SOME SAFETY. I THINK SAFETY COMES UP IN THE, IN SOME OF THE SURVEY ANSWERS, IF I MAY. YES. PUBLIC SAFETY IS A PRIORITY PERIOD. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE. UM, I KNOW PEOPLE TEND TO GET FLOOD AMNESIA UNTIL A CRISIS HAPPENS. AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE HAVE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT CANNOT GET TO THAT LOCATION. MM-HMM . UM, WE HAVE, UM, AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS WATERSHED PROTECTION DEPARTMENT IS THE ONE, ONE OF THE FEW DEPARTMENTS THAT IS RESPONSIBLE. AND THEN THEIR MISSION INCLUDES, UM, PROTECTING LIVES. YOU KNOW, SO WHEN YOU'VE GOT A FLOOD EVENT, WE HAD A HUGE, UM, WHAT SOMETHING LAST, UM, IN NORTHWEST AUSTIN EARLIER THIS YEAR. YES. AND SO, YEAH. SO WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO MAKING SURE WE HAVE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS PROPERLY PREPARED, REGARDLESS OF WHAT TYPE OF FIRST RESPONDER THAT IS, THEN WE NEED IT. THAT IS A PUBLIC PRIORITY. AND PUBLIC SAFETY'S NOT JUST ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRE, IT'S ABOUT ALL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT CONTAMINATED WATER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM. SO I ALMOST THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE, ENSURE THE STRENGTH OF THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET OF THE CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE CLIMATE EVENTS DON'T, THEY DON'T CARE. IT DOESN'T, CLIMATE DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE. IT, IT JUST HAPPENS. AND IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYBODY. YEAH. IT'S, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WITH SOME OF OUR SERVICES THAT PEOPLE CANNOT SAFELY REMAIN IN THEIR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF LACKING RESPONSE. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN LIKE LIFE DANGERS THAT BECAUSE OF LIKE, THINGS LIKE FLOODING FIRE. OKAY. MEDICAL ASSISTANCE. I THINK, I WONDER IF THAT WOULD WORK. WE ADD THAT TO THE GAP. THE GAP. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INEQUITIES. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GAPS, SO THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE IN CERTAIN AREAS DON'T HAVE THE, THE FIRE STATION THAT THEY NEED OR THE FLOOD MITIGATION THAT THEY NEED. MM-HMM . AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, THAT EVERYONE HAS SAFETY. YEAH. OKAY. IT IS AN INEQUITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A HISTORICAL ITY. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH. MAYBE IT'S JUST AN INEQUITY. YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT THIS CONTEXT AS MUCH ON THOSE MM-HMM . I MEAN, I DO, I THINK THE HISTORICAL INEQUITIES ARE ALSO IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS, BUT , WHICH ADD, THAT'S WHERE YOU MOVE HISTORIC INTO THE SORT OF THE CRITERIA. YEAH. OUT OF THE UMBRELLA OF VALUE. OKAY. YEAH. I, I DO NEED TO SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE HISTORIC INEQUITIES, RIGHT? I DON'T WANNA REDUCE THE IMPORTANCE OF HISTORIC INEQUITIES. THEY'RE JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY FIRE STATION IS IN A PLACE WHERE IT'S A HISTORIC INEQUITY. IT'S, BUT INTERESTINGLY WITH THE FIRE STATIONS, THEY DO HAVE INEQUITIES BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE, UM, DUAL GENDER BATHROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT IS AN ALSO AN EQUITY ISSUE, BUT, OKAY. UM, OKAY. THAT'S . YEAH. YES. I REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER GARZA SAID, ANY NEW FACILITIES THAT COME ON BOARD NEEDED TO HAVE THAT THAT CORRECTED. YEAH. WHEN SHE WAS ON DS YEARS AGO. UM, MAYBE WE CAN MOVE TO THE, THE ONE THAT WAS MORE ABOUT FUNDING AND FINANCE, BECAUSE I, I GOT SOME REALLY GREAT COMMENTS FROM CHARLES CURRY ON THIS SLIDE. AND HE IS, UM, I LIKE TO CALL MY, OUR RESIDENT EXPERT ON THE FINANCIAL MATTERS, BUT IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE. AND SO THE, THE RED LINE CAME THROUGH WITH SOME OF HIS COMMENTS, MOSTLY LIKE, TAKE OUT THAT QUESTION, TAKE OUT THAT QUESTION . BUT IN TERMS OF THE VALUE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE BOND SHOULD FUND VIABLE PROJECTS WITH POTENTIAL FOR LEVERAGE. AND I JUST WANNA GAUGE THE ROOM ON COMFORT WITH THAT VALUE. NOT NECESSARILY HOW WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE IT, BUT DO WE FEEL LIKE IT IS A VALUE OF THIS GROUP THAT THE PROJECTS ARE VIABLE AND IT COULD OPEN UP OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES? YEAH, BUT THE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT NOT ALL PROJECTS COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. I DON'T [01:30:01] THINK WE'RE GONNA GET MORE MONEY FOR POLICE FIRE EMS, BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE ARTS, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. SO IN SOME CATEGORIES, THERE ARE OTHER PARTNERS THAT THE CITY COULD WORK WITH, BUT IN OTHERS THERE'S NOT. RIGHT. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE, THAT THE, THE USE OF POTENTIAL LEVERAGE AND THE VALUE IS, IS INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE APPLICABLE? IT SHOULD BE AREA IN CERTAIN CATEGORIES. THE LEVERAGING IS IMPORTANT. OKAY. BUT MAYBE NOT FOR ALL PROJECTS. OKAY. ON THIS ONE. I THINK IF WE'RE THINKING OF IT LIKE KIND OF A, LIKE A MATRIX WITH WAITING AND STUFF, I, I, I STILL THINK HAVING THE POTENTIAL FOR LEVERAGE IN THERE IS VALUABLE, EVEN IF, IF SOME CATEGORIES, IT DOESN'T QUITE FIT FOR IT. UM, AND IT'S, THEY JUST WON'T, THEY WON'T GET SOME POINTS FOR THAT, BUT THEY'LL GET POINTS FOR OTHER THINGS. I MEAN, THEY, LIKE THE VIABILITY JUST MEANS CAN THEY ACTUALLY GET THE PROJECT AND ACCOMPLISH IT AND SPEND IT AND LIKE, COMPLETE IT WITHIN LIKE, THE TIMEFRAME. UM, AND, AND I THINK PLENTY OF PROJECTS AND, AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE, WOULD DO FINE FOR THAT, EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE ESTABLISHED SORT OF LEVERAGING TOOLS. I, I MEAN, JUST TAKE A STEP BACK. I THINK THE, WHAT I, WHEN I WAS PULLING THIS ONE TOGETHER, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW COMMENTS. IT WAS MORE LIKE, UM, FISCALLY PRUDENT. THAT WAS KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE, THE VALUE, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THE ECONOMY WE'RE IN THE, THE, THE, THE FINANCIAL SITUATION OF THE CITY. YOU KNOW, OUR VAL OUR VALUE SHOULD BE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING PROJECTS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. I'M GONNA GO CHARLES HAD HIS HAND STRATEGIC. YEAH. MY, MY CONCERN ABOUT LEVERAGE, UH, IS THAT IT'S VERY UNPREDICTABLE. AND I THINK EVERY PROJECT WILL COME IN AND SAY, WE'VE GOT THE POTENTIAL FOR LEVERAGE. LEVERAGE SEEMS TO MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR AFTER FUNDING IS SECURED. IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY HARD FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK I CAN GET SOME LEVERAGE FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED. AND AS WE'VE SEEN WITH A LOT OF CITY PROJECTS, IT CAN BE GUARANTEED TODAY AND THE GUARANTEE CAN GO AWAY TOMORROW. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY ISSUE WITH USING LEVERAGE. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE NEUTERED IN THE, IN THE WRITING OF PROJECTS, BECAUSE ALL PROJECTS WILL CLAIM THE ABILITY TO GET LEVERAGE. WELL, I, AND IT'LL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY HOW GOOD THAT POSSIBILITY IS. OH, WELL, I DON'T, I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING, I MEAN, WHEN WE'VE ASKED IS THERE LEVERAGE, THEY EITHER SAY YES OR NO. I, I THINK MANY HAVE SAID NO. SO I, I DON'T AGREE THAT PEOPLE ARE PRESUMING LEVERAGE. I THINK THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT ACTUALLY THEY'RE ONLY ASKING FOR A PERCENT, LIKE POLICE FIRE AND EMS ARE ASKING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE FUNDS FOR THEIR PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LEVERAGE. OTHER PROJECTS ARE ASKING FOR A MUCH SMALLER PERCENT PER PERCENT IN ORDER TO ACCESS MUCH LARGER LE LEVERAGE. AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE US AS A CITY ONLY TAKE ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR AND LOSE ALL OF THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WOULD BE COMING IN FROM THINGS THAT ARE KNOWN. SO I AGREE, WE SHOULD NOT, WE SHOULD ASK THE QUESTION. AND IF IT'S LIKE, WE THINK WE CAN GET A GRANT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT LEVERAGE. IT'S THIS, THIS PIECE UNLOCKS THIS OTHER MONEY. WE, IT'S ALL THIS PRIVATE CAPITAL, IT'S THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER THING THAT'S GUARANTEED. I MEAN, GUARANTEED, I THINK YOU'RE, IF IF THEY ASK FOR 5 MILLION OUT OF 25 MILLION AND THEY DON'T GET THEIR 25 MILLION, THEN THE PROJECT DOESN'T HAPPEN. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, I, I DON'T THINK THAT IF THEY'RE NOT, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY UNWISE FOR FOLKS TO BE COMING TO US ASKING FOR A SMALL PERCENT OF A LARGER PROJECT AND HAVE TO WAIT SIX YEARS TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF OUR WORK TO BE SUSSING THAT OUT. UM, BUT I DO THINK LEVERAGE IN TERMS OF BEING STRATEGIC IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. UM, I THINK A BOND PACKAGE THAT HAS MOSTLY PROJECTS THAT BRING IN NO OTHER FUNDING IS WE WE'RE JUST LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE. WE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS THAT HAVE THAT OPEN THOSE KINDS OF DOORS. SO TO ME, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. MY, MY MY MY POINT WAS THAT IT JUST SHOULD NOT APPLY TO ALL PROJECTS. EXACTLY. YES. BUT I DO THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE HAVE A LIST THAT'S, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE HIGH CARBON IMPACTS, NO LEVERAGE, NOT EX, YOU KNOW, NOT DEALING WITH HISTORIC INEQUITIES AND NOT A PUBLIC PRIORITY, THEN GREAT. MM-HMM . WE KNOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S DOESN'T HAVE LEVERAGE, BUT IT DOES THE OTHER THINGS, THEN, I MEAN, THAT'S OUR JOB. SO I THEN WE DISCUSS, NEGOTIATE. RIGHT, RIGHT. UH, I KNOW, BEN, YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP FOR A MINUTE. YEAH. [01:35:01] UM, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT RACHEL WAS SAYING. I THINK ALSO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANTED TO THROW IN MAYBE THE WORD STRATEGIC OR SOMETHING THAT TRIES TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE OTHER FEELINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF, WHAT IF SOMEBODY'S ASKING FOR ALL THIS MONEY? UH, BUT THERE ARE OTHER NON BOND FUNDING SOURCES FOR SOME OF THAT, THAT THEY MAY HAVE RECENTLY GOTTEN. SO LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE, JUST THE BOND BLINDERS ON MM-HMM . UM, THAT MAY ALSO BE ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING, HEY, THERE'S OTHER MECHANISMS FOR THAT, WHEREAS THIS OTHER THING HAS ONLY THIS MECHANISM FOR IT AND IT MAY UNLOCK OTHER DOLLARS. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA LEAVE THAT ON THE TABLE. UH, AND THAT CAN KIND OF HELP US WA THESE THINGS OUT. EVEN JUST FROM THE, FROM THE FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE. DID YOU, UM, HAVE A VERBIAGE CHANGE THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE TO THAT? IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT. YEAH. I'LL KICK OFF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE 2026 BOND SHOULD FUND VIABLE PROJECTS WITH POTENTIAL FOR LEVERAGE OR, OR, YOU KNOW, OR OTHERWISE STRATEGIC. I DON'T KNOW. I, UM, HAYDEN, UM, I'M WONDERING TOO ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO THANK YOU, ANNA. UM, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT, UM, SINGLE PROJECTS, MEETING MULTIPLE GOALS. 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS FINANCIAL TOO. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE CAN ALLOCATE MONEY FOR ONE PROJECT THAT CAN MEET MULTIPLE GOALS, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. AND I, I DON'T HAVE ANY EDITED LANGUAGE TO OFFER. I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS AN IDEA. SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER. I FEEL LIKE WE HAD SOMETHING ABOUT DOES IT ADDRESS MULTIPLE? I'M NOT SEEING IT NOW. I'LL, I'LL LOOK AT IT. I THINK WE HAD A, A, UH, QUESTION EVALUATION CRITERIA TO THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE? FOR NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE UNLESS YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT YOUR STRATEGIC, HOW YOU WANNA DRAFT THAT, YOU CAN SEND TO ME VIA EMAIL OR YOU CAN, YEAH. FOR, FOR ME, I THINK LEVERAGE BEING LEVERAGING IS STRATEGIC. SO, AND I LIKE YOU ADD ADDING THE, THAT ADDITIONAL ITEM FOR THE EVALUATION THAT YEAH. MEMBER WALKER HAD STATED. OKAY. UM, THE LAST ONE IS THE IDEA THAT WE REALLY WANNA BE SURE THAT THE BOND, THAT THE PACKAGE THAT WE RECOMMEND IS SOMETHING THAT THIS, THIS PEOPLE ARE GONNA VOTE FOR. 'CAUSE IT'S REFLECTIVE OF THEIR, UH, PRIORITIES. AND SO HOW WE LOOK AT THE BACK, THE BOND THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER AND DOES THIS REFLECT THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THROUGH VARIOUS METHODS. AND THE METHODS ARE SORT OF LISTED IN THE, IN THE EVALUATION CRITERIA, BUT THAT, THAT THE VALUE IS THE BOND REFLECTS THE PUBLIC'S PRIORITIES. AND I FEEL UNLESS WE, ANYONE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT ONE? THOUGHTS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. UH, JUST IN THE SENSE OF LIKE, RIGHT. TO OVERSIMPLIFY IT, BUT RIGHT. TO BALLOT STUFF, RIGHT. SO I CAN GET 40 PEOPLE TO SHOW UP TO A MEETING AND NOW IS THAT COUNTED AS 40 RESPONSES TO A PARTICULAR ISSUE? SO YES, I THINK COLLECTIVELY WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE, THE COMMUNITY HAS PUT, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE IT, AT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, IT WAS STACKED. I HEAR YOU. YOU KNOW MM-HMM . IT'S JUST BEEN IN AROUND AUSTIN POLITICS A LONG TIME. AND , I'VE BEEN GUILTY OF STACKING A ROOM AS WELL. RIGHT. SO THE WAY, WHICH I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TAKING ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE VALUE ITSELF, BUT HOW WE MIGHT DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE MET. DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, REFLECT THE, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE IT REFLECTS THE PUBLIC PRIORITIES MM-HMM . THROUGH WHAT IS IT MEASURING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT A MEETING? IS IT SURVEY RESULTS? RIGHT. THINGS TO CONSIDER. Y'ALL BOTH HAVE YOUR HANDS UP. SO JUMP IN. I CAN BE QUICK. UM, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED TOO THAT THERE ARE THINGS IN THIS BOND THAT THE PUBLIC PROBABLY HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF. YEAH. I KNOW WHEN I GOT A PRESENTATION OR WHEN WE GOT A PRESENTATION WITH FLEET SERVICES, I HAD NO IDEA THE CITY MAINTAINS 8,000 VEHICLES. YOU KNOW? AND SO I, I THINK WE HAVE TO, PART OF OUR JOB IS TO WEIGH THOSE THINGS TO KIND OF HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC THAT, THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY. AND I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC PRIORITY, THAT WE MEAN LIKE PUBLIC INPUT AND NOT VOTER. UH, I THINK, I THINK MAKING SOMETHING THAT THE VOTERS WANT IS TOUGH. 'CAUSE THE VOTERS AND THE PUBLIC ARE NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS THE SAME FOLKS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S OUR, I DO THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT I THINK IT'S SOME OTHER CRAFTY PERSON'S JOB TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE VOTERS. UM, FAIR POINT. I AGREE. UM, AND I'M WONDERING WHETHER, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE, THE, WE'RE LOOKING [01:40:01] AT THESE VALUES, FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM, UM, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE ALL EQUALLY WEIGHTED. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TALK ABOUT. AND THIS ONE MIGHT BE ONE THAT IS LESS WEIGHT, YOU KNOW? UH, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER IF I HAD SOME FIELD DATA, SOME SENSE THAT WE WERE TRACKING. EVEN IF IT'S JUST THE, YOU KNOW, SURVEY RESULTS WHERE PEOPLE PUT LIKE THE BIGGEST ISSUES, YOU KNOW, ARE WE KIND OF TRACKING THOSE RESULTS SOMEHOW? SO I TOOK THAT. I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW THAT IT IS IMPRECISE AND IT'S SMALL DATA SETS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT ISSUE, BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED TO BE TRYING TO BE SURE THAT IT'S REFLECTIVE. SORRY, BEN. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, I LIKE THE VALUE AS IT'S PHRASED. I THINK I AGREE WITH ALL THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THAT GETS HANDLED ON THE QUESTION EVALUATION. YEAH. SIDE. AND, YOU KNOW, I ALSO LIKE THE ASPECT OF THIS BEING BROAD IN ITS VALUE BECAUSE UNDER THAT UMBRELLA YOU CAN FIT THINGS LIKE CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPACT TO THE INDIVIDUAL'S POCKETBOOK CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WAITED FOR A LONG TIME. IT IS NOT ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, FIRES THAT'S BURNING, BUT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR BOND CYCLE OR BOND CYCLE, OR THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AT OUR LISTENING SESSION RECENTLY ABOUT, LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE'S NOTHING NORTH OF THIS SIDE OR EAST OF THIS SIDE. AND YOU PULL UP THE MAP AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, LIKE, MM. UM, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UH, I'VE ALSO BEEN GUILTY OF STACKING A ROOM RIGHT UNDER THIS VERY ROOF. UH, BUT WE ARE HEARING SOME COMMON THEMES FROM DIFFERENT METHODS, RIGHT? LIKE IN PERSON, THE ONLINE, AND LIKE MM-HMM . IF WE'RE HEARING, UH, A COMMON THEME, IT MAY NOT BE THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT IT'S LIKE BEGINNING TO RHYME. YEAH. AND BALANCE IS IMPORTANT. I KNOW IN PAST BOND ELECTIONS, WE'VE DONE DONE THAT SAME GAME WHERE WE, NOT GAME, BUT THE EXERCISE WHERE WE'VE PLOTTED THE PROPOSED PROJECTS ON A MAP TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT SPACE SO THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ENTIRE REGION OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY THAT'S LEFT OUTTA THE ENTIRE PACKAGE. AND THE OTHER ASPECT THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION WAS ABOUT THE, THE THINGS THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT. THAT'S ALSO THE ROLE THAT WE PLAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . RIGHT? WE'VE HEARD FROM EXPERT STAFF, WE'RE HEARING FROM THE, FROM OUR COMMUNITIES, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INVOLVED PEOPLE HERE IN THIS ROOM, LET'S BE HONEST. WE GO TO LOTS OF THE SAME MEETINGS AND I SEE YOU ON THE STREAMS. SO LIKE, THAT'S PART OF IT TOO, IS THAT PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, HEY, THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR THESE THINGS. WE'VE GOT THESE FIRES BURNING, AND THEN THERE'S THIS ASPECT THAT MAYBE HAS BEEN NOT CAPTURED BY ANY ONE OF THOSE ALREADY EXISTING THINGS. HERE'S A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. ON IT. I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, CAN WE REPLACE THE WORD RES? REFLECT WITH RESPOND? SAY THAT, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME. THE WORD REFLECT. CAN WE RE REPLACE IT WITH RESPOND? BECAUSE IF WE ARE OUT THERE GETTING, YOU KNOW, GETTING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND IF THEY'RE, AND THE COMMUNITIES ARE ASKING, SHOULD WE NOT BE RESPONDING TO THEIR REQUESTS, WOULD YOU CONSIDER CON UH, CONSIDER THE PUBLIC'S PRIORITIES? I NOT CONSIDER. I THINK WE NEED TO RESPOND BECAUSE THEN WE CAN LET THE COUNCIL, HEY, YOU ASKED US TO GO AROUND AND ASK, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT. AND YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE IF WE'RE ASKING THEM FOR, IN, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE US FEEDBACK. DON'T JUST LISTEN, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. YEAH. I, I THINK MY WORD REFLECT WAS ON THE SAME, THE SAME LINE. IT'S WE, OUR PACKAGE IS RESPONSIVE IN THAT IT IS REFLECTING WHAT WE HEARD, BUT I, I, I'D DEFINE WITH RESPOND, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM WITH THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO WHETHER, WHETHER HOW WE DO THAT AND HOW WE ANALYZE IT TO BE DETERMINED. BUT I'M FINE WITH THAT WORD IF, UNLESS THERE'S OBJECTION TO THAT. I SEE A LOT OF NODDING. . OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE MADE SOME GREAT PROGRESS TODAY. UM, WE STILL HAVE ABOUT, WOW, WELL, 10 MINUTES EARLY MOTION TO ADJOURN. . I, WHAT I WILL DO , I WILL, UM, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. UNLESS, UNLESS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, JUST A GREAT WASTE OF TIME. I WILL GO, I WILL TWEAK THESE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND SEND 'EM BACK OUT FOR, FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT. BUT IF YOU WOULD TAKE SOME TIME, I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY MORE CONCERN ABOUT THE HOW WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT CRITERIA WE'RE GONNA USE TO, TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE VALUE IS MET. IF YOU'LL SPEND SOME TIME ON THOSE, I GOT, UH, [01:45:01] FEEDBACK FROM, UH, HAYDEN AND FROM CHARLES'S TIME, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS THOUGHTS ON, UM, WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD WHEN WE COME BACK TOGETHER. UM, OKAY. SO LET ME LOOK AT THE AGENDA. ANY FUTURE [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] AGENDA ITEMS? WE ARE, LET ME JUST REMIND YOU THAT IN DECEMBER WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FINANCIAL SERVICES HERE THAT'S GONNA HOPEFULLY GIVE US UPDATES ON ALL THE IMPORTANT FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT TRE'S NOW IN THE PAST. UM, SO THAT'LL BE A BIG PART OF IT. AND IF YOU HAVE PARTICULAR QUESTIONS, UM, PLEASE SEND THEM TO STAFF. WE'VE BEEN GATHERING SEVERAL QUESTIONS. WE'VE GOTTEN, I THINK IN YOUR PACKET THIS TIME, SOME QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, BUT IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE GOT QUESTIONS AT THE LISTENING SESSION, WE'RE TRYING TO GET ANSWERED, BUT PLEASE LET US KNOW SO WE CAN BE RESPONSIVE IN THAT, UH, AND GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE FOR THAT MEETING. UH, DO YOU WANT US TO GIVE YOU SUGGESTED POINTS FOR EACH OR FOR WHAT? I'M SORRY. THE EVALUATION. OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. PLEASE SEND THEM. UH, ANY OTHER FUTURE, ANY ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE ON THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER? WELL, YES WE DID. I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR THAT. UM, THE RESPONSE I GOT TO MY QUESTION THAT THEY WERE, I'M NOT SURE WHO IT IS THAT'S COMING TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE TAX IMPLICATIONS OF THE BOND PACKAGE, BUT JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, WE'RE FINALLY GOING TO HEAR THAT NEXT MONTH. YES. SO AND THAT DID NOT, THAT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE FAQS THAT WE GOT THIS TIME, RIGHT? THAT'S COMING INTO NEXT. I THINK THAT'S, YES. WE PROVIDED GENERAL RESPONSE. I THINK THE PORTABLE HOUSING QUESTION WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, KIND OF TWEAKED. IT WAS LIKE IF YOU RAISED BY 3.5% TYPE OF THING. BUT KIM WILL BE HERE, KIM OLIVAR. OKAY. CORRECT. AT THE DECEMBER MEETING. SHE CAN TALK IN A LOT MORE DETAIL ABOUT ALL THAT INFORMATION, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE GOOD USE OF OUR TIME, IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR QUESTIONS, WE CAN GET THEM TO THEM IN ADVANCE AND THAT WAY THEY CAN DO THE, THE, THE WORK AND, AND GIVE US GREAT ANSWERS WHEN WE'RE HERE TOGETHER SO WE CAN GOOD CONVERSATION. ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FOR DECEMBER? OKAY. WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON THESE CRITERIA. YES, BEN, SINCE WE'LL HAVE COMPLETED BY THEN OUR LISTENING SESSIONS, ARE WE GONNA HAVE AN ITEM TO DISCUSS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, REFLECT BACK ON WHAT HAPPENED OR THAT'S, UH, YES. HOPEFULLY WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION IS GATHERED AND SUMMARIZED AND EVERYTHING, BUT YES, THAT IS POTENTIALLY ON THE AGENDA. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. A FORMAL MOTION TO ADJOURN . ALL IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING? YEAH, WE ARE ADJOURNED. UH, IT'S, THESE ARE ALWAYS ON THE SAME. SO LET'S, IT IS THE, YEAH, I HAVE IT ON THE FIFTH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.