* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING. I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE MONDAY, JANUARY 12TH, 2026 AT 6:00 PM PLEASE, PLEASE, UH, CALL THE ORDER THE ROLE. MARY HAGER. PRESENT. FRANCIS JORDAN. ANNA AGUIRE. PRESENT. TINA CANNON, NICOLE CONLEY. CHARLES CURRY. HERE. RICHARD DE PALMER. PRESENT JC DWYER. HERE. ROBERT FEEDLER. HERE. JEREMIAH HENDRICKS. DONALD JACKSON. NOLITA LUGO. GARY MERRIT. PRESENT. LUKE METZGER. HERE. KATRINA MILLER. DEWEY SMITH. YES. KENNETH STANLEY. THERE HE IS. RACHEL STONE HERE. BEN SOTHEBY. DAVID SULLIVAN. PRESENT. HAYDEN WALKER PRESENT. KABA WHITE. OKAY. OUR FIRST THREE SPEAKERS [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL ] IN PERSON ARE JULIE FISHER, JOANNA WOLVER, AND MIKEY, OR GONICK, AND YOU ARE WELCOME. HELLO? HELLO. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WELL, GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS MIKEY GURALNICK FROM THE GREAT SPRINGS PROJECT. I'M HERE TO PRESENT WITH SOME OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS AND ASSOCIATES ON, UH, THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER TRAIL, WHICH IS, UH, A VISION FOR, UH, NEARLY 50 MILES OF ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND RECREATIONAL TRAIL IN THE COLORADO RIVER CORRIDOR, UH, BELOW LONGHORN DAM TOWARDS, UH, THE TRAVIS COUNTY LINE AT WEBER VILLAGE PARK. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND IF THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR, THAT'S BECAUSE, UH, WE'VE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES. UH, WE GAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE FULL TASK FORCE ON THIS PROJECT, UH, IN APRIL. WE GAVE A PRESENTATION TO ONE OF THE WORKING GROUPS, UH, AGAIN OVER THE SUMMER, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF OTHER PRESENTATIONS TO, UH, CITY COMMISSIONS, UM, STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, AND REALLY ANYBODY WHO WILL LISTEN, UH, AND WHO IS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS AMBITIOUS, BUT IMPACTFUL IDEA. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WHEN WE PRESENT ON THIS PROJECT, WE'VE, AND WHEN WE'VE ENGAGED WITH YOU IN THE PAST, WE'VE SHARED HOW THIS IS A VERY BIG IDEA, NOT JUST GEOGRAPHICALLY, BUT ALSO CONCEPTUALLY, THE IDEA THAT THE TRAILS ARE THE BASIS OF A LARGER CONNECTIVITY AND CONSERVATION AND ECOSYSTEM ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM IN THE LOWER RIVER. UH, NEXT SLIDE. WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS IS A LONGSTANDING IDEA, SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PRIORITIZED OVER DECADES IN BOTH CITY AND COUNTY PLANNING INITIATIVES, INCLUDING THE PARKS IN, UH, AUSTIN PARKS PLANNING AND, UH, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. ONE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WE RECENTLY PRESENTED THIS PROJECT AS A TRANSFORMATIVE IDEA, SOMETHING THAT SYNTHESIZES, UH, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES, UH, AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE BOND PROGRAM, AND ADDRESSES A RANGE OF CIVIC, CULTURAL, ECOLOGICAL AND SOCIAL ISSUES THROUGH ONE, UH, SINGLE INITIATIVE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WE ALSO SHARED HOW THIS IS AN ONGOING IDEA, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING, UH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY STAFF AT TPW AND PARD WATERSHED, AS WELL AS WITH, UM, OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR PARTNERSHIP AND COALITION GROUPS FROM THROUGHOUT THE, THE REGION, UH, AND THE CITY, UH, TO DETAIL AND REFINE THIS CONCEPT, AND THAT WE WOULD COME BACK AFTER THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE OCCURRED, AND SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND BE INCLUDED IN THE BOND FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE'RE HERE TO SHARE THAT TONIGHT. WE'RE ASKING AND RECOMMENDING, UH, THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE INCLUDE $30 MILLION FOR THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER TRAIL. $15 MILLION OF THAT WOULD BE ALLOCATED, UH, TO THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS ORGANIZATION OR AGENCY, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, FOR PROGRAMMATIC AS A PROGRAMMATIC RESOURCE TO CONSTRUCT TWO KEY STRATEGIC SEGMENTS OF TRAIL IN THE LOWER RIVER CORRIDOR. THE REMAINING $15 MILLION WE RECOMMEND BE ALLOCATED TO, UH, AUSTIN PARKS AND RECREATION AS PROGRAMMATIC FUNDING FOR [00:05:01] THE LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM TO COMPLETE ACQUISITIONS, UH, IN THE LOWER RIVER CORRIDOR BELOW TREVINO PARK AND ABOVE FM 9 73 TO FULLY DELIVER PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE LOWER RIVER CORRIDOR, BOTH IN TERMS OF PARKS AND TRAIL CONNECTIVITY, UH, FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, ON THE SCREEN AND ALSO, UM, IN THE HANDOUT THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL HAVE, UH, WHERE THOSE PROJECTS ARE LOCATED. UM, THE TWO TRAIL PROJECTS ARE THE ONE PROJECT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER LINKING, UH, THE WISHBONE BRIDGE TO, UH, PUBLICLY OWNED LAND DOWNSTREAM OF US 180 3 TO PROVIDE FULL CONNECTIVITY THROUGH ROJI GUERRERO PARK, AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER FROM THE US 180 3 TRAILHEAD, UH, BENEATH THE HIGHWAY OVERPASS TO BOM DISTRICT PARK TO PROVIDE, UM, FULL CONNECTIVITY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER FROM AN EXISTING CITY TRAILHEAD, UH, TO A FUTURE, UH, CITY PARK INVESTMENT. AND YOU CAN SEE ROUGHLY WHERE THE ACQUISITIONS WILL BE LOCATED FURTHER DOWNSTREAM, UM, TO SUPPORT FUTURE, UH, TRAIL AND PARK DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. I'M GONNA PASS THE MIC TO JULIE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT. THANKS, MIKEY. MY NAME IS JULIE FISHER, THE CEO. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. OF THE TRAIL CONSERVANCY. AND WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND HAPPY TO BE A PART OF IT BECAUSE WE WOULD LOVE TO EXTEND THE TRAIL EXPERIENCE EAST. AND AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE WISHBONE BRIDGE, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE, HOPEFULLY OPENING IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS, UM, THAT IT WILL CONNECT DIRECTLY TO BALM DISTRICT PARK IN ADDITION TO MONTOPOLIS WITH THE UNDERPASS. SO THEY'LL BOTH SERVE AS EXTENSIONS FROM THE BUTLER TRAIL EAST. UM, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THE TRAIL EXPANSION EAST, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THIS. SO I'M NOW HAPPY TO INTRODUCE JOANNA WOOLEVER OF THE TRAVIS COUNTY PARKS FOUNDATION. THANKS, MIKEY AND JULIE. OH, THIS DOESN'T QUITE REACH. OKAY. UM, YEAH, AGAIN, I'M JOANNA WILLERBERG, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF TRAVIS COUNTY PARKS FOUNDATION, AND WE'RE ALSO, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, WE'RE ALSO TRULY PROUD TO BE, UM, ONE OF THE THREE NONPROFIT PARTNERS, UH, LEADING, LEADING THE CAUSE AND LEADING THE CHARGE ON THIS AMAZING PROJECT. AND WE REALLY SEE OURSELVES AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY IN THIS LONGSTANDING IDEA, LIKE MIKEY SAID. SO I'M HERE, YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING, I'M, I REPRESENT TRAVIS COUNTY AND WE SUPPORT TRAVIS COUNTY PARKS. UM, THIS IS TRULY A REGIONAL PROJECT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS HALF IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN JURISDICTION, AND THE OTHER HALF IS IN THE TRAVIS COUNTY JURISDICTION, AND IS EQUALLY A PRIORITY FOR TRAVIS COUNTY AND TRAVIS COUNTY PARKS TO CREATE A TRAIL ALONG THE COLORADO RIVER. SO ANY INVESTMENT BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN WOULD LEVERAGE AN INVESTMENT BY TRAVIS COUNTY AS WELL. SO AGAIN, TRULY REGIONAL IN NATURE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THIS IS ALSO SIGNIFICANT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF REGIONAL PARTNERSHIP, NONPROFIT PARTNERSHIPS THAT SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. WE ARE ABLE, AS NONPROFITS, TO LEVERAGE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND PURSUE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT THEN WOULD SUPPORT ANY INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN PUTS INTO THIS PROJECT. SO AGAIN, REALLY IT'S VERY REGIONAL AND ANY INVESTMENT BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN WOULD LE LEVERAGE SIGNIFICANT FUNDS FROM MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS AND ADDITIONAL PHIL PHILANTHROPIC DONATIONS. NEXT SLIDE. SO I KNOW WE'RE COMING TO AN END OF OUR TIME. I AM GUESSING. I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO, UM, REACH OUT TO US, ASK US QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE LEAVE BEHIND THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER THAT HAS INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, MUCH FOR SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE. I KNOW IT'S, IT'S QUITE A COMMITMENT OF YOUR PERSONAL TIME AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OF COURSE. CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? UM, I'M JUST TRYING. UM, I SERVE ON BOTH, I'M SORRY, HAYDEN. I'M WRONG. YOU CAN'T ASK THEM A QUESTION. APPARENTLY I CAN'T. OH, MOST BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS YOU CAN. IS THAT NOT, MAYBE THEY COULD, UM, SAY AFTER ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CLARIFY ONE IS A KIND OF A, A GRAY AREA. CAN I ASK MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER A QUESTION? SURE. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, ABOUT ? SO I'M ASSUMING THE 10 PLUS THE FIVE FOR THE TWO CONNECTIONS ARE PROBABLY URBAN TRAIL MONEY THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE URBAN TRAILS BUCKET. AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT 15 MILLION IS PART OF [00:10:01] THE WISHLIST AMOUNT WE HAVE FOR THE URBAN TRAIL BUCKET, OR IF IT'S ADDITION IN ADDITION TO, WOULD IT, WOULD IT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM WHAT? LET, LET'S, UM, MAYBE YOU COULD EMAIL THE ANSWER TO THAT TO THE GROUP. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE'LL GET AN ANSWER. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE MIKE TI. CAN I HAND OUT SOMETHING? YOU MISS THAT. GO HAND IT OUT. SORRY. IF YOU COULD PUT UP THE SLIDE, I'D APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. TIMER. WHAT'S THAT? I'M THE TIMER. OKAY. OKAY. UH, GREETINGS TASK FORCE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MIKE KANATI. I'M WITH THE ZILKER 3 5 1, UH, ORGANIZATION. AND WE'VE SPOKEN TO PREVIOUSLY ON SOME TREE TRAIL AND SHORELINE PROJECTS WE THINK WOULD BE LOVELY TO HAVE RECOMMENDED IN THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I'VE JUST SHOWN THE SLIDE OVERVIEW THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE AREA ALONG BARTON CREEK, WHERE THE AUSTIN VISITOR SHOW UP AND USE THE, THE TREES AND THE, AND THE, AND THE TREES TO COOL OFF AND ENJOY NATURE AND A FREE, UH, PLATE. UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR DIFFICULT AND IMPORTANT WORK AND ACKNOWLEDGING CHALLENGES YOU HAVE WITH COMING UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS GIVEN THE LIMITED FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE. UM, HOWEVER, BASED ON THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND SUPPORT THAT I HOPE YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE, UH, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THESE THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE LONG OVERDUE CLIMATE PROJECTS THAT ALIGN WITH THE SCORING CRITERIA THAT Y'ALL PASSED LAST WEEK. SO I'M HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. UH, WHAT I HANDED OUT TO YOU IS AT LEAST ONE TAKE ON HOW THE SCORING CRITERIA MIGHT LINE UP WITH AT LEAST HOW WE VIEW OUR PROJECTS. MAYBE I'M NOT UNBIASED, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SHARE YOU MY TAKE ANYWAY. UM, AND I MAY NOT GET THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT, UM, YOU HAVE SOME FINANCIAL CRITERIA RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, ONE OF THEM IS WILL THE PROJECTS OPEN UP NON-CITY FUNDING? I THINK WE CAN REPRESENT THAT AS A NON-PROFIT PARTNER THAT HAS HAD SUCCESS WITH FUNDRAISING, UH, TO SUPPLEMENT PARK NEEDS. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, HELP WITH THAT. UH, THERE IS ALSO, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT AVAILABLE, UH, FUNDS, UH, FROM THE BOND. UM, IS THE BOND FUND THE ONLY AVAILABLE SOURCING FUND? SO I, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. UH, AS I MENTIONED, PHILANTHROPIC SUPPORT COULD BE PART OF THE SUPPORT ALONG WITH BOND FUNDS. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THE TRAIL CONNECTION PART OF THIS PROJECT FROM THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES THAT WERE SET ASIDE MANY YEARS AGO AND NOT ABLE TO BE EXPENDED. SO HERE'S ANOTHER FACTOR WE THINK WEIGHS IN OUR FAVOR. UM, A THIRD QUESTION YOU HAVE IS, DOES THE PROJECT PROVIDE GAP FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE PREVIOUS PROJECT? AND WE SUBMIT THAT THE IDEA OF CONNECTING THE TRAILS BETWEEN THE VIOLET CROWN TRAIL HEAD, WHICH WAS RECENTLY FINISHED, AND THEN THE BUTLER TRAIL THAT GROWS AROUND LABOR BIRD LAKE WOULD BE A GAP, UH, FROM PREVIOUSLY FUNDED PROJECTS. AND THEN THIS PROJECT WOULD HELP CLOSE THE GAP AND WE THINK LEAD TO BETTER OUTCOMES FOR, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. UH, AND, AND, AND, AND WE THINK SOME CLIMATE BENEFITS OF HAVING THE, THE WATER QUALITY IN SHADE IMPROVE THERE. YOUR SECOND CATEGORY OF PROJECTS IS EQUITY ACCESS, UH, CONSIDERATIONS. UH, AND YOU ASK IF THE, IF THE PROGRAM OR PROJECT SERVES HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS, UM, WE WOULD SUBMIT THAT ZILKER PARK HAS 2.5 MILLION ANNUAL VISITORS FROM ALL ACROSS AUSTIN. THE ZIP CODE ANALYSIS WE FOUND SHOWS THAT 70% OF THE PARK VISITORS ARE LIVING IN DISTRICTS, UH, ZIP CODES THAT ARE NOT ADJACENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS AT ZILKER. UM, WE ALSO THINK THAT, UM, UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE OTHER REGIONAL PARKS THAT DO DESERVE FUNDING AND SUPPORT FROM THE BOND PACKAGE, UH, THESE ZILKER TREE TRAIL AND SHORELINE PROJECTS WILL IMPROVE THE FREE SPACES FOR EVERYONE WHO COMES TO BARTON SPRINGS IN ZILKER PARK AND BARTON CREEK TO ENJOY NATURE AND COOL OFF IN THE SUMMER. UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE PROGRAM SERVES A DOCUMENTED SERVICE GAP. AND I WOULD SAY THE, AGAIN, THE ZILKER. DANG IT. IT'S ALL I. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE ADAM GREENFIELD. I, GOOD EVENING TASK FORCE MEMBERS. ADAM GREENFIELD HERE, INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SAFE STREETS AUSTIN. UM, WE ARE HERE TO, UH, ASK YOU TO, UM, UH, BOLDLY FUND, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IN THE NEXT BOND. UM, IN THE AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, THE CITY AIMS TO DOUBLE WALKING, INCREASE BICYCLING BY FIVE TIMES, INCREASED TRANSIT USE BY FOUR TIMES, UH, BETWEEN 2019 AND 2039. THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA REACH THOSE, THOSE [00:15:01] AMBITIOUS GOALS IS TO CONSISTENTLY INVEST IN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, AT LEAST AT CURRENT LEVELS. UM, I WANNA DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE RECENT, UM, URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH VERY THOUGHTFULLY LAY OUT HOW THAT COULD BE DONE. UH, I ALSO WANNA DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO LAST YEAR'S VISION ZERO 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY REPORT, WHICH WAS A REMARKABLE REPORT IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT, WHICH DOCUMENTS HOW THE AUSTIN TAXPAYERS ARE SAVING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OUR, BECAUSE OF OUR INVESTMENTS IN, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. SO THROUGH COMPREHENSIVE CRASH COST SAVINGS TO SOCIETY, UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY MAKING BACK MANY TIMES OVER THE, UH, THE INVESTMENT THAT WE MAKE. SO, IN A SENSE, THE MORE WE SPEND, THE MORE WE SAVE, UH, THESE ARE ALSO POPULAR INVESTMENTS. AND AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT CAN A BOND PASS IN THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, WE BELIEVE WILL LIFT UP ANY BOND THAT IT'S A PART OF. YOU REMEMBER, PERHAPS IN 2020, PROPOSITION B, THE SAFE MOBILITY FOR ALL BOND PASSED WITH A REMARKABLE 67% APPROVAL RATE FROM THE PUBLIC. UH, OF COURSE THIS CONVERSATION STARTED WITH, UH, A CALL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTMENT. UH, TRANSPORTATION IS OUR BIGGEST SOURCE OF CARBON EMISSIONS, AND WE SHOULD BE, UH, AGAIN, AGGRESSIVELY INVESTING IN TRANSPORTATION. SO OUR VISION ZERO URBAN TRAILS, BIKEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS PROGRAMS ARE SOME OF OUR BEST RUN PROGRAMS AT THE CITY. STAFF HAVE GOTTEN EXTREMELY GOOD AT SPENDING THIS MONEY EFFICIENTLY AND WISELY AND FOR MAXIMUM BENEFIT, UH, NOT ONLY SAVING LIVES, WHICH SHOULD ALSO ALWAYS BE OUR FIRST PRIORITY, BUT ALSO SAVING, UH, THE TAXPAYER MONEY AND GIVING PEOPLE CHOICE ABOUT HOW TO MOVE AROUND. SO THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TIME WE HAVE TO KEEP THESE PROGRAMS GOING AT CURRENT LEVELS. SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO UNDER THESE, UH, UNDER THESE CONDITIONS. AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO A REALLY, UH, THOUGHTFUL, UH, BOND PACKAGE LATER THIS YEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE JOSH GOLDENBERG. HELLO. HELLO. MY NAME IS JOSH GOLDENBERG AND I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF AS WELL AS AURA. AS A HIGH SCHOOLER AND LIFELONG RESIDENT OF AUSTIN, I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS BOND TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH MAKES IT SAFER, UH, TO WALK AND BIKE AROUND THE CITY. UNTIL RECENTLY, IF I WANTED TO GO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK MY PARENTS FOR A DRIVE OR TAKE THE RISK OF WALKING OR BIKING. CURRENTLY, THE WAY MOST OF OUR CITY'S STREETS ARE DESIGNED, IT CAN BE RISKY TO BIKE ON. IT CAN BE RISKY TO BIKE ON STREETS WHICH HAVE BIKE LANES, WHICH ARE BARELY PROTECTED FROM FAST MOVING TRAFFIC. YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A CAR DESERVE BETTER. I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WORK TO INCLUDE AS MUCH FUNDING FOR SAFER STREETS, BIKE LANES, AND ACTIVE MOBILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS BOND AS POSSIBLE. NEARLY A HUNDRED PEOPLE PER PER YEAR DYING ON OUR CITY STREETS IS FAR TOO MANY. WITH THIS BOND, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX THIS AND SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR NOT ONLY YOUNG PEOPLE, BUT ALL PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A CAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THIS BOARD, AND I HOPE YOU'LL THINK ABOUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF THE CITY WHEN CONSIDERING THE 2026 BOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE BRANDON . GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS BRANDON NIDAY AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF AURA. AURA IS AN ALL VOLUNTEER GRASSROOTS ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION. WE'RE DEDICATED TO, UH, ADVANCING HOUSING, ABUNDANCE, PUBLIC TRANSIT, AND SAFE STREETS FOR WALKING AND BIKING. AUSTIN'S AT A CROSSROADS. WE'VE ADDED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF RESIDENT OF RESIDENTS, BUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HAS NOT KEPT PACE WITH THAT GROWTH. UH, WE HAVEN'T INVESTED IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, UH, RESIDENTS NEED TO GET AROUND SAFETY SAFELY, SUSTAINABLY, OR EFFICIENTLY. UH, THIS BOND IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TR TO CHANGE THAT TRAJECTORY. WE URGE YOU TO PRIORITIZE INVESTMENTS THAT GIVE AUSTINITES REAL ALTERNATIVES. UH, THAT STARTS WITH, UH, FULLY FUNDING THE AUSTIN CORE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS A BOLD VISION [00:20:01] FOR SAFER, MORE CONNECTED STREETS. IN OUR URBAN CORE, IT MEANS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONGRESS AVENUE REDESIGN TO CREATE A CENTRAL STREET WORTHY OF A CAPITAL CITY. IT MEANS PROTECTING BIKE LANES ON OUR MOST DANGEROUS CORRIDORS, SIDEWALKS, AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR DECADES, AND BUS LANES WITH SIGNAL PRIORITY. SO TRANSIT CAN ACTUALLY COMPETE WITH DRIVING. THESE SHOULDN'T BE LUXURIES. AND HERE'S THE THING, INVESTMENT IN TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT A POLITICAL LIABILITY. IT'S WHAT VOTERS EXPECT THEIR BOND DOLLARS TO FUND. THESE ARE TANGIBLE, VISIBLE IMPROVEMENTS THAT PEOPLE USE EVERY SINGLE DAY. AS ADAM MENTIONED, THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS ENORMOUS. AUSTIN'S GROWTH ISN'T SLOWING DOWN. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A CITY THAT WORKS FOR PEOPLE OR JUST FOR CARS, AND EVEN THEM, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR CARS OR AS MEMBERS ARE COUNTING ON YOU TO RECOMMEND A BOND THAT REFLECTS OUR VALUES, SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND REAL TRANSPORTATION CHOICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE CUTTER GONZALEZ. GOOD EVENING, AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. I AM HERE BOTH REPRESENTING AURA AND IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY, UM, AS AN AURA ADVOCATE. I WANT ECHO MY COLLEAGUES', UH, COMMENTS AND THEIR URGENCY IN FULLY FUNDING THE ACT PLAN AND THE CONGRESS AVENUE REDESIGN AMONG OTHER, UH, VITAL TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. UM, I THINK THESE ARE CRITICAL COMPONENTS FOR BUILDING A BETTER AUSTIN. UM, IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY, I'M A RESIDENT OF THE SOUTH CONGRESS AREA, RESIDING BASICALLY JUST SOUTH OF WHERE THE TOURIST FREQUENT. UM, AND IN THIS AREA, DESPITE CONTRIBUTING CULTURALLY TO A CORE PART OF OUR CITY'S IDENTITY AND IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN AND OTHER GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS, IT ONLY OFFERS A PARTIALLY WALKABLE AND SOMEWHAT BIKEABLE ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT MOST AUSTINITES ARE FORCED INTO, WHICH IS AGGRESSIVE LEVELS OF STATE MANDATED CAR DEPENDENCY BY BOTH DESIGN AND POLICY. UH, AND THIS, ACCORDING TO THE US BUREAU OF TRANSPORTATION STATISTICS IS AN ANNUAL COST OF UPWARDS OF $12,000, WHICH MEANS THAT LOWER INCOME AUSTINITES ARE PRICED OUT OF PARTS OF THE CITY THAT LAY BEYOND THE GAPS IN OUR CYCLING AND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT ALL OF US MIGHT INCUR A FIVE FIGURE COST OF ADMISSION TO THE FULLNESS OF OUR CITY. THIS PROPOSAL, THIS BOND PROPOSAL MARKS A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY TO COLLECTIVELY MEET OUR CITY'S VERY NOBLE GOALS, AS OUTLINED BY MY FRIEND ADAM GREENFIELD AND HIS TESTIMONY BEFORE ME. AND IN A TIME OF, UH, EXTREME INSECURITY AND GROWING WEALTH INEQUALITY, THE CITY SERVES AS THE BEST AND PERHAPS LAST FRONTIER TOWARD BUILDING TRUE COMMUNITY THAT IS RESILIENT FROM POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC CHANGE. AND THAT RESILIENCE IS FOUND IN TRANSFORMING THE MATERIAL CONDITIONS OF OUR CITY SO THAT EVERY AUSTINITE HAS THE CAPABILITIES AND RESOURCES TO ACCESS WHAT MAKES OUR CITY DIFFERENT. AND A GREAT PLACE TO BUILD A LIFE. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR LABOR ON THIS. UH, YOUR WORK IS SO MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. OKAY, MOVING ON TO, UM, THE, UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. BUT FIRST I WANNA GIVE A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING UPDATE. UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA, DISCUSSION OF INITIAL DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITY. WE WILL NOT TAKE UP THAT ITEM. THE CITY IS NOT IN A POSITION, STAFF'S NOT IN A POSITION AT THIS TIME TO GIVE US THEIR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, WEDNESDAY MORNING, WE'LL SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR PROCESS. AND SO WE ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY GET AN UPDATE FROM THEM ON WHEN THEY WILL HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOLLOWING HOPEFULLY SHORTLY AFTER WEDNESDAY'S MEETING. UM, AND ALSO NICOLE WILL BE SENDING AN EMAIL TO ALL OF US, UH, WITH INFORMATION ON THAT MEETING. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN YOUR EMAIL TOMORROW. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER ONE, [1. Approve the minutes of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force Regular Called meeting on December 15, 2025.] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SO, SO MOVED. MOTION TO APPROVE OF MINUTES. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR OF A, OF ACCEPTING THE MINUTES, APPROVING THE MINUTES, RAISE YOUR HAND ONLINE. WE COULD SEE YOU TOO, DON AND KEN, IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR CAMERAS ON FOR VOTING MINUTES ARE APPROVED. OKAY. TAKING UP ITEM TWO [2.Discussion of the upcoming Community Engagement Plan led by Austin Communications and Engagement Department.] IN THE DISCUSSION ITEMS, DISCUSSION OF THE UPCOMING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN LED BY AUSTIN COMMUNICATIONS AND ENGAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. [00:25:05] RIGHT? SLIDE DECK IS UP. I BROUGHT MY OWN LAPTOP SO I DON'T HAVE AN EYE EXAM OVER HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO HOW I MOVE THE SLIDE DECK? OKAY, NEXT SLIDE. I'M USED TO THE BUTTON OVER HERE. ALL RIGHT, NEXT SLIDE. HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THE TIMELINE, WHICH WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. SO I'M GONNA SKIM OVER THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. ALSO, GOING TO PHASE THREE COMMITTEE, OPEN HOUSES AND SURVEY NUMBER TWO, AS WELL AS THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT SUPPORT. AND ANY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS YOU MAY, I MAY HAVE FOR YOU AT THE END, OR YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, THIS ONE, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE ACHIEVED SO FAR. NEXT SLIDE. YOU WILL HAVE THIS SLIDE DECK AVAILABLE TO YOU. AND THAT BRINGS US UP TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, 2026. UM, CITY STAFF WILL HOST PHASE THREE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH OPEN HOUSES IN LAUNCH, UH, SURVEY NUMBER TWO ON POTENTIAL BOND PROJECTS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THIS IS THE NEXT, THIS WILL FOLLOW UP SOON AFTER. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT BRINGS US TO OUR COMMUNITY. OPEN HOUSES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OKAY, SO THESE ARE A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE FOR THE BOND 2026 OPEN HOUSES. THESE ARE TENTATIVE DATES. UM, WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR NOW, WHICH MAY CHANGE BASED ON THE DIRECTION WE RECEIVED FROM CITY MANAGER OR MAYOR. UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE WE'RE WAITING, WE'RE ON STANDBY, BUT WE HAVE THIS, UM, SET UP FOR PHASE THREE. SO PHASE THREE OF THE BOND ENGAGEMENT FOCUSES ON COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSES DESIGNED TO DEEPEN UNDERSTANDING, INVITE INFORMED INPUT, AND BRING THE COMMUNITY CLOSER TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. WE IDENTIFIED, UH, FOUR LOCATIONS AND ONE OF THEM WILL BE VIRTUAL. THESE LOCATIONS WERE SELECTED BASED ON, UM, OUR LAST SET OF MEETINGS THAT YOU ALL HOSTED, AS WELL AS THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVEN'T SEEN ENOUGH PARTICIPATION. AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE EZ REC CENTER, NORTHWEST REC CENTER PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, UH, THE CONLEY GUERRERO SENIOR CENTER, UH, WITH A VIRTUAL MEETING HAPPENING ON FEBRUARY 3RD. AGAIN, THESE LOCATIONS AND DATES ARE TENTATIVE. I'LL MOVE US OVER TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO EACH OPEN HOUSE IS DESIGNED AS A WALKUP INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCE, ALLOWING COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE AT THEIR OWN PACE. COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO THIS PHASE. THERE WILL BE TWO LARGE BOARDS THAT KIND OF SHOW LIKE THE PATHWAY THAT THE ROADMAP THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR ON THE BOND PROCESS AND, UM, HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS INPUT HAS INFORMED THE PROGRESS UP TO DATE. ALSO, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ENGAGE DIRECTLY WITH SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. UH, DEPARTMENTS WILL HOST THEIR OWN DISPLAY BOARDS, HIGHLIGHT BOND ELIGIBLE PROJECTS, PROVIDING CLEAR PLAIN LANGUAGE EXPLANATIONS OF PROPOSED INVESTMENTS. UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO CLARIFY PROJECT DETAILS, FEASIBILITY AND INTENDED OUTCOMES OF THESE PROJECTS. THEY WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE ON A SECOND SURVEY. THERE WILL BE TABLETS AND QR CODES AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY DURING OR POST THE EVENT. MAYBE SOME OF THESE, UH, MEETINGS WILL PROVIDE THE SPACE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THESE PROJECTS AND HELP THEM, UH, SHAPE THEIR DECISIONS. THEY WILL ALSO LEAVE WRITTEN FEEDBACK. SO THERE'LL BE COMMENT CARDS AND SECURE COMMENT BOXES, UH, AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO NOT EXPRESS THEMSELVES VERBALLY. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT OPTION AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE. BOND SURVEY NUMBER TWO. SO IT'S CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT AND WILL COMPLIMENT THE INITIAL SURVEY AND SCHEDULED OPEN HOUSES BY CAPTURING BROADER AND MORE NUANCED INPUT. SURVEY GOALS INCLUDE BRINGING COMMITTEE MEMBERS CLOSER TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS BY ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE CONFIDENCE IN THE PROPOSED PRO UH PROJECTS, PERCEIVED FEASIBILITY AND VALUE OF PROPOSED PROJECTS, PROJECT SUPPORT AND PRIOR PRIORITIZATION. PROVIDE SENTIMENT FEEDBACK ON AFFORDABILITY IMPACTS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED BOND. ALSO A TENTATIVE SURVEY TIMEFRAME. LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE LAUNCHED ON JANUARY 26TH AND CLOSE AROUND FEBRUARY 16TH. TEAM THE NEXT SLIDE. SO EACH OPEN HOUSE IS ASSIGNED AS A WALKUP AND INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCE PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE AND SUPPORT. SO THE CITY STAFF AND BTF ARE REMINDED TO RE REMAIN NEUTRAL THROUGH THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. CITY STAFF WILL PLAN AND COORDINATE, WILL DESIGN, SCHEDULE, AND PREPARE ALL MEETING LOGISTICS, MATERIALS AND DISPLAYS. WE'LL PROVIDE INFORMATION STAFF DISPLAY BOARDS AND ENSURE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, FACILITATE [00:30:01] THE SPACE, WELCOME PARTICIPANTS, AND EXPLAIN THE SELF-GUIDED OPEN HOUSE FORMAT. WE'LL GUIDE PARTICIPATION DIRECT ATTENDEES TO FEEDBACK OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THE SURVEY STATIONS, COMMENT CARDS, VOTING, PUSH, PIN, MAP, ET CETERA. AND WE'LL ENSURE ACCESSIBILITY, WE'LL SUPPORT NAVIGATION, LANGUAGE ACCESS, AND INCLUSIVE PARTICIPATION FOR THE B TIFF. YOU ALL ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND AND OBSERVE. ATTEND ANY OF THE OPEN HOUSES AS LISTENERS AND OBSERVERS. YOU CAN LISTEN AND LEARN. CIRCULATE THE ROOM TO HEAR COMMUNITY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, AND PRIORITIES. YOU CAN CONNECT WITH COMMUNITY, ENGAGE INFORMALLY WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR PARTICIPATION. YOU CAN ENCOURAGE FEEDBACK, INVITE PARTICIPANTS TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY OR LEAVE COMMENT CARDS BEHIND. AND ALSO REMAIN NEUTRAL TO NOT ADVOCATE FOR OR AGAINST SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. YOU CAN ALWAYS REFER THEM TO THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WHO WILL BE ON SITE. NEXT SLIDE. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THESE EVENTS, WHO CAN PROMOTE OR WHO SHOULD PROMOTE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS? BTF NETWORKS, CITY DEPARTMENTS. WE'LL ALL BE PROMOTING, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW EVERYONE'S REMINDED, AGAIN, TO REMAIN NEUTRAL THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND REFRAIN FROM ADVOCATING FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT OR DEPARTMENT. SO BEFORE YOU PROMOTE, YOU MAY USE THE PRE-APPROVED LANGUAGE AND GUIDANCE THAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR DISTRIBUTION SOON. UH, WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DO NOT ADD OR REMOVE ANYTHING TO THE APPROVED LANGUAGE. THIS ENSURES THAT THE CITY'S UNBIASED POSITION TO SUPPORT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. NEXT SLIDE. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ASSUMING YOUR, UM, TIMEFRAME STAYS ON TRACK AND THE SURVEY CLOSES FEBRUARY 16TH, WHEN WOULD YOU HAVE, UM, ANALYSIS OF THE SURVEY RESULTS? WE'RE HOPING TO EXPEDITE IT LAST TIME. IT TOOK US ABOUT THREE WEEKS TO GET IT BACK. WE'RE HOPING THAT SINCE WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WE CAN DO IT SOONER THAN THAT AT, AT THE LATEST THREE WEEKS, I GUESS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL GO AROUND. WELL, DO WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A QUORUM OF THE BIF BEING AT ANY MEETING? I BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW THE RULES THOROUGHLY, BUT I BELIEVE THAT AS YOU CAN ENGAGE WITH PARTICIPANTS, AS LONG AS NO DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND THEY'LL BE POSTED. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF IT BEING LIKE A POSTED, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S LIKE IT'S PUBLIC KNOWS THAT IT'S HAPPENING. IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, IT'S, IT'S AN OPEN HOUSE. MM-HMM . UM, AGAIN, I THINK AS LONG AS NO DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE OR DISCUSSIONS MADE AMONGST, UH, BTAS, UH, ABOUT DECISIONS, IT'S, IT SHOULD BE OKAY. RIGHT. FRANCIS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION. IT'S FOR THE STATEMENT. I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION, I MEAN KIND OF GIVING US GENERAL ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL PRESENT AND I JUST WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S STUFF THAT WE'RE DOING THAT IS OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC. 'CAUSE I DON'T LIKE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT LIKE THE THINGS THAT THE WORKING GROUPS AND THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SET, LIKE I JUST DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC, WE KIND OF ALREADY ASKED FOR GENERAL INPUT, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THIS BODY IS ACTUALLY DOING AND WORKING ON AND AND DECIDING IT'S GONNA BE A PART. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS WITHOUT ANY COORDINATION. SO I WASN'T SURE. SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO GIVE US FEEDBACK AND THEN WE'RE THINKING AND TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY'RE JUST GIVING US GENERAL FEEDBACK. SO THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WILL BE PRESENTED. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL ACTUALLY GET TO SEE ANY OF THE MATERIALS BEFORE IT GOES OUT. SO THAT'S MY ONLY THOUGHT. UM, I THINK YOU COULD SCHEDULE A MEETING TO KIND OF LIKE WORKSHOP IT. WELL, AND, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ME. LIKE I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK IT'S NECESSARILY, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE WHOLE BTF 'CAUSE I MEAN SOME PEOPLE ARE DOING SOME REALLY IMPORTANT WORK IN THE WORKING GROUPS. I'M JUST SAYING I THINK WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT THAT CONSIDERS, BECAUSE I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'RE HAVING PEOPLE PRESENT AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SWAY ANYONE'S VOTE. BUT WE ALSO KNOW SOME PROJECTS ARE RISING TO, YOU KNOW, THE TOP AND SOME OF THE WORKING GROUPS. I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S KNOWLEDGE AT THE BTF MEMBERS ARE STARTING TO COME UP WITH WITH THIS. AND SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY USEFUL FOR US. WELL YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, I THINK I READ THAT THE PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE IDENTIFIED BY DEPARTMENT. SO THERE WILL BE INFORMATION ON EACH OF THE PROJECTS SO WE'RE CONSIDERING CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO FOLKS GIVE FEEDBACK ON PARTICULAR PROJECTS. IS THAT YOUR ISSUE? YEAH, BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT NICOLE HAD MENTIONED THOUGH, IT'S SOME WE'RE, IF THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF SHOW SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT PRIORITY TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE AND GETTING THEIR INPUT ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE WORKING GROUPS ARE THINKING. BUT I MEAN, THEY CAN COME TO OUR GENERAL MEETINGS AND THEY COULD HAVE COME TO THE WORKING GROUP, BUT THIS IS THE AVENUE THAT THE MOST PEOPLE WILL BE THERE. AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING [00:35:01] AS MUCH TO WHEN THE MOST PEOPLE WILL BE PRESENT TO HERE IF WE REALLY WANT. THAT'S JUST MY ONLY CONCERNS. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT, GARY? I HAVE THOUGHTS, BUT NOT ON THAT TOPIC. EXACTLY. MM-HMM . IS THIS A GOOD TIME? SURE. FOR THEM. SO, UH, I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS. UM, FIRST IS, WELL THE ONLY THINGS, LEMME BACK, LEMME ME ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED A, A LIST OF CITIZEN PRO, UH, PROMOTED PROJECTS. WE'VE HEARD FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US TO TALK ABOUT PARTICULAR PROJECTS. WILL THOSE BE REPRESENTED AT THESE OPEN HOUSES OR WILL IT ONLY BE THE, THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE, UM, PROMOTED BY CITY STAFF? I THINK, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE CAN HAVE A MEETING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST FOR COMMUNITY TO, TO HAVE PRESENT. IT MAY BE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A BOARD, WHICH WHAT THE BTF HAS HEARD SO FAR AND BE PRESENT THERE JUST LIKE WE ARE HAVING OF HOW WE'RE GETTING HERE BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE PART OF THAT PROCESS AS WELL. SO THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT ALSO PRESENT SO THAT FOLKS CAN KIND OF SEE YOUR JOURNEY AS WELL. I LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND HOW WILL, UH, THESE OPEN HOUSES BE ADVERTISED? HOW WILL PEOPLE BE, UM, NOTIFIED THAT THEY EXIST? A AND B? ARE THERE METRICS ESTABLISHED SO YOU CAN DETERMINE IF THE OUTREACH, LIKE YOU WANNA GET SO MANY PEOPLE, AT LEAST THE OPEN HOUSES, SO MANY PEOPLE WITH SURVEYS TO DETERMINE IF YOUR OUTREACH, UH, WAS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT? YEAH. UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE, WAIT, LIKE THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THE DATES ARE TENTATIVE, RIGHT? SO THE MOMENT WE ARE GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT, WE'RE ABLE TO PROMOTE, WE HAVE RADIO ADVERTISING, TV ADVERTISING, UM, AS WE HAVE A, THAT'S A SEPARATE, LIKE A MORE OF A MARKETING PLAN THAT'S DEPLOYED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, AMPLE AUDIENCE TO ATTEND. AND WHEN IT COMES TO SUCCESS, UM, WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN PREVIOUS YEARS AND THEN TRY TO USE THAT AS A BASELINE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THOSE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE COMING IN. AND COULD YOU SHARE THOSE WITH US? SO FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THESE IS 16 DAYS FROM NOW ON ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU, AND ARE YOU ASKED OR HOPING THAT WE'LL SHOW UP THERE? I CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU AND SEND THEM IN AN EMAIL. I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GARY? YES. RICH, ARE WE USING ANY SORT OF ELECTRONIC TOOL, UM, A COMMUNITY INPUT OR, UH, CIVIC PLUS ANYTHING TO CAPTURE DIGITAL INFORMATION? YEAH, THERE IS A SURVEY TOOL LIKE, UH, I MENTIONED THERE'S A SURVEY TOOL THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED AND THAT WILL BE THE DIGITAL TOOL, JUST LIKE WE DID ON THE FIRST PHASE. THAT WILL CAPTURE, UH, FEEDBACK. BUT WILL THAT JUST BE AT THE OPEN HOUSES OR WOULD THAT BE BROADCASTED? UM, NO, THAT WILL LIVE ON THE PUBLIC INPUT PAGE. OKAY. WHERE THE BOND PROJECT LIVES. SO ALL THE, ALL THE PROCESSES INCLUDED THERE, INCLUDING THE SURVEYS. ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UM, JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA BE REMISS IN SAYING STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR HAVING A PUBLIC, AN OPEN HOUSE IN DISTRICT FIVE, UM, OR MINIMALLY DISTRICT TWO, BUT I UNDERSTAND MIN TOPLESS IS THERE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, UH, NOT HAVE MADE THAT REQUEST. UM, AND JUST FOR VERIFICATION, OR NOT VERIFICATION, BUT JUST TO SUPPORT WHAT GARY HAD SAID, I MEAN, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THE PROJECTS AND EVEN IF IT'S A SEPARATE BOARD WHERE IT'S IDENTIFYING THE COMMUNITY, UM, INITIATED PROJECTS LISTED SO THE, THE FULL PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. THANK YOU. SOUNDS GOOD. I'M JUST GONNA GO THIS WAY. NOPE. OKAY. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION IN THE ROOM. OH YEAH, GO AHEAD. YES, I AM FEEL, FEEL BAD JUMPING JC GO AHEAD BEN. UM, SO SINCE THIS IS GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BE EDUCATING THEM OR INFORMING THEM ABOUT PROJECTS OR PROPOSED PROJECTS, UH, IS THERE GONNA BE A COMPONENT OR A BOARD THAT EXPLAINS WHERE THIS COMES FROM? UH, YOU KNOW, THE, A COMPONENT OF EXPLAINING TO A TAXPAYER, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING DEBT SERVICE AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS PART STRETCHED OUT OVER MANY YEARS, 20 YEARS, SOME DROPS OFF. THIS IS TALKING ABOUT ADDING SOME ON HOW MUCH WOULDN'T ADD MORE TO YOUR TAX BILL IF YOU ADD A PENNY OR TWO HERE OR THERE. HOW MUCH OF THESE THINGS COULD BE DONE AND HELP THEM KIND OF, UH, GIVE A FRAMEWORK AND CONTEXTUALIZE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS? YES. UH, CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES TECHNICAL TEAM IS WORKING ON THE PRESENTATION BOARDS AND THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE EDUCATIONAL THAT BRING COMMITTEE UP TO SPEED AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT WHAT IS TO EXPECT. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY, DAVE? [00:40:02] YEAH, WELL EARLIER, UH, STAFF GAVE US A LIST THAT WAS LIKE THREE PLUS BILLION DOLLARS OF PROJECTS. HAS THAT BEEN SHORTENED? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES. IT HAS NOT BEEN SHORTENED IN ANY SORT OF REPORT DELIVERED TO US. THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDED. RECOMMENDED LIST. MM-HMM . WE WOULD SHORTEN IT DOWN. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANA, IS THAT YOUR HAND UP? OKAY. SO JUST REAL QUICK, UM, DO WE HAVE, CAN WE PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THEY PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED AS FEEDBACK? AND THEN HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHERE STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR THE BTF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION? SO IN OTHER WORDS, I I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF, IF IT WILL LOOK LIKE WE ARE ACTUALLY LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THEY CAN, WE CAN SHOW THEM WE ARE, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED OF TO DATE DURING OUR REGULAR YEAH. SURVEY AND ALSO WHEN WE WERE HAVING OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THEM AND ARE WE ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO THAT FEEDBACK. SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW THAT, HOW WE WOULD COMPARE. OKAY. I'M TAKING DOWN THESE NOTES. UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE IS GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF BOARDS THAT TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE, SO THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INSERT THINGS THERE. JC UM, TO FRANCIS'S EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THESE THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AND USEFUL FOR US IS THE, ARE THE SURVEY QUESTIONS, HOW FAR ALONG ARE THEY? IS IT WET CEMENT AT THIS POINT? ARE YOU STILL TAKING FEEDBACK? UM, THE SURVEY QUESTIONS I WOULD SAY WE'RE LIKE 80% THERE. IS THERE SOMETHING IN SPECIFIC YOU HAD IN MIND? UM, NO. MY, I'M, MY THOUGHTS ARE TOTALLY UNFORMED ON THIS, BUT, UH, IF YOU, IF THERE IS STILL A WINDOW FOR US TO WEIGH IN AND MAYBE EMAIL YOU IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET THE ANSWERS TO, UM, WHAT'S YOUR DROP DEAD DEADLINE? I CAN LET YOU KNOW AS SOON AS I HAVE THAT. OKAY. UM, SECOND QUESTION TO, UM, GARY'S CONCERN ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO THE OPEN HOUSES. UM, WE DEFINITELY GOT FEEDBACK IN THE LAST ROUND THAT PEOPLE WANT US TO COME TO THEM AND NOT, UM, MAKE THEM COME TO US. MOST OF THESE SITES ARE PLACES PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GONNA BE AT DOING THINGS AND WE'LL PROBABLY ORGANICALLY SEE THE PRESENTATION AND SHUFFLE OVER. UM, DO PEOPLE COME HERE TO THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER EVER? THEY HAVE, YEAH. OKAY. SO ARE, ARE THERE, IS THERE LIKE AN ORGANIC FLOW OF TRAFFIC HERE THAT WILL, PEOPLE WILL COME IN OR IS THIS SITE GONNA BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE WHO REALLY WANT TO MAKE THEIR THOUGHTS KNOWN? I'M SORRY. I GUESS I'M, I'M PHRASING THIS AS A QUESTION. I GUESS MAYBE IT'S NOT A QUESTION. SORRY, I JUST, I COULDN'T HEAR. YEAH. UM, THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN APPROPRIATE SITE TO ME TO HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE. I UNDERSTAND THE SPACE IS GREAT FOR IT, BUT PEOPLE AS FAR AS I KNOW, DON'T COME HERE UNLESS THEY HAVE TO. I'M ALSO JUST GONNA NOTE THAT THERE'S NO OPEN HOUSE SITES SOUTH OF THE RIVER. YEAH, WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL SITES, UM, AS BACKUPS. BUT IT, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR FINDING A LARGE ENOUGH SPACE THAT CAN HOST LIKE ALL THE BOARDS AND ALL THE PROJECTS BECAUSE THIS IS WHEN THE STAFF NUMBERS ALSO DOUBLE. WE HAVE, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND A SUPPORT STAFF AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HELP FACILITATE AND PEOPLE WHO HELP. SO JUST IN STAFF NUMBERS, IT'S QUITE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO CO CONDUCT THOSE MEETINGS. YEAH, FINDING THE LOCATIONS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. WE HAVE LOOKED INTO RECREATION CENTERS, BUT THE PROGRAMMING RUNS DURING THE DAYTIME AND THEY'VE ASKED US TO NOT TO CANCEL THEIR PROGRAMMING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE, BUT WE HAVE, UH, SECURED AS MANY SPACES AS WE CAN THAT HAS LARGE ENOUGH SPACES THAT COULD FACILITATE THESE TYPE OF MEETINGS, UM, TO SOMETIMES LIKE THE CENTRAL LIBRARY BECOMES THE PLACE AND I TRY TO FIND SPACES OTHER THAN CENTRAL LIBRARY. BUT AGAIN, THE, THE SIZE OF THE SPACE AT THIS POINT MATTERS, UM, TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH FOR BOTH STAFF AND PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTENDING THE MEETING. WOULD YOU CONSIDER DOING IT OUTSIDE, LIKE IN THE PARKING LOT OR, I DON'T KNOW THE WEATHER. ? YEAH. FEBRUARY'S ARE TYPICALLY LIKE WHEN WE GET OUR COLD FRONTS, BUT WHAT ABOUT A ISD OR THE A CC CAMPUSES, BUT SPECIFICALLY A ISD HIGH SCHOOLS? YEAH, WE LOOKED INTO, UH, TWO MIDDLE SCHOOLS, UM, LIKE IN THE DOVE SPRINGS AREA AS WELL. AND THEY ALSO HAD SOME PROGRAMMING THAT WAS, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON APPARENTLY, BUT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AROUND FOR FACILITIES THAT ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO, AND EQUIPPED ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FACILITATE THE SPACES. IF YOU HAVE ANY LIKE, SPECIFIC LOCATIONS [00:45:01] THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, LIKE LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN CALL THEM. YEAH, NOT OFF HAND. UM, OKAY. I MEAN, I SEE THE PROGRAMMING AS, AS A POSITIVE 'CAUSE THAT MEANS PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA ALREADY BE THERE. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE? NO. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, [4.Presentation of Carbon Neutral Bond Package by Member Luke Metzger. ] PRESENTATION OF CARBON NEUTRAL BOND PACKAGE BY MEMBER LUKE METZKER. GREAT, THANKS. UM, SO I WANTED TO SHARE AN EXAMPLE BOND PACKAGE I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT IS CARBON NEUTRAL USING THE CITY'S, UH, OWN DATA. UM, SOME TASK FORCE HAD ASKED, MEMBERS HAD ASKED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WHETHER IT WAS EVEN POSSIBLE TO GET TO A CARBON NEUTRAL OR NEGATIVE PACKAGE, UH, WHILE STILL MEETING SOME OF THE ESSENTIAL, UH, INVESTMENTS, UM, THE CITY REQUIRES. AND, UH, BASED ON AT LEAST THIS PACKAGE, UH, THAT HAVE, UH, WHICH IS JUST A DRAFT, NOT IN INTENDED AT ALL TO BE, UM, A RECOMMENDATION, BUT JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, UH, THE ANSWER IS YES, THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY, UH, HAVE, UH, PREVENT EMISSIONS FROM INCREASING, UM, FROM THIS COMBINED PACKAGE. UM, AND SO THE, THE GOAL REALLY IS TO SHOW THAT YOU CARBON NEUTRALITY IS ACHIEVABLE WITHIN A $675 MILLION BOND WHILE STILL FUNDING CORE NEEDS LIKE, UH, HOUSING, FIRE STATIONS, STREETS, BRIDGES, STORMWATER, ET CETERA. UM, SO I USED, UH, ACARS SCREENING LIFECYCLE ASSESSMENT, UH, WHICH AS YOU'LL REMEMBER, REPORTS NET EMISSIONS THROUGH 2040, INCLUDING BOTH CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS. AND FOR PARTIAL FUNDING OF PROGRAMS, I SCALED EMISSIONS PROPORTIONATELY BY DOLLAR AMOUNT, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME ASSUMPTION USED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE ANALYSIS. AND THEN, UM, IN A CATEGORY INCLUDES MULTIPLE PROJECT TYPES, LIKE OTHER FACILITIES, I USED A BUDGET WEIGHTED AVERAGE FROM THE CITY'S DATA SET. UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT SOME INVESTMENTS LIKE OPEN SPACE, PARKLAND, SIDEWALKS, VISION ZERO SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL ARE NET CARBON NEGATIVE IN THE CITY'S MODEL. AND THEN OTHERS LIKE BRIDGES, MAJOR STORMWATER PROJECTS, FIRE STATIONS ARE CARBON POSITIVE, BUT OF COURSE THEY'RE ALSO, UH, PRIORITIES. AND SO CARBON NEUTRALITY ISN'T ABOUT AVOIDING THE ESSENTIAL PROJECTS, IT'S ABOUT PAIRING THEM THOUGHTFULLY WITH, UH, PROJECTS THAT REDUCE EMISSIONS. UM, AND SO I ATTEMPTED TO PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE BASED ON, UM, WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING OVER THE LAST, UH, FEW MONTHS ABOUT PRIORITIES FROM TASK FORCE MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FIRE STATION, STREET REPAIR, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, LAND CONSERVATION. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT IN THIS MODEL, THE PACKAGE COMES OUT SLIGHTLY CARBON NEGATIVE OVERALL. UM, AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE, UH, DEVELOPING OUR PACKAGE, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE FACTOR IN, UH, ACARS ANALYSIS AND PUT TOGETHER A, A COMBINED PACKAGE THAT DOES REDUCE EMISSIONS. YOU KNOW, I THINK GIVEN, UH, THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN GIVEN, UH, BO THE COUNCILS DIRECTED THAT THIS PACKAGE, UH, HAVE A CLIMATE FOCUS, UH, THAT IT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR US TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T INCREASE SUBMISSIONS OVERALL, UM, THROUGH THE BOND PACKAGE AS A WHOLE. SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A VERY WORKING DRAFT TO GIVE SOME IDEAS OF, OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. I KNOW ONE THING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO AT SOME POINT IS DECIDE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY, UH, EACH, YOU KNOW, TO ASSIGN TO EACH, UH, WORKING GROUP OR EACH PRIORITY. UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO ONE THING WILL LIKELY, IF WE WANT TO KEEP IT CARBON NEUTRAL, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT UH, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT FUNDING FOR, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE, UH, FOR, UH, FLOOD MITIGATION AND FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, UM, TO HELP MITIGATE, UH, ANY PROJECTS THAT INCREASE EMISSIONS. SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. ANYBODY, UH, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THAT WANNA TALK ABOUT? WAS THAT A YES OR IS THAT A WAIT? JUST, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL DATA POINT, LUKE. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU WERE SAYING REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE OTHER FACILITY, LIKE, UH, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT OTHER FACILITIES. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I MEAN, WE HAVE FIRE STATIONS, BUT I MEAN THERE'S, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE HEARING SO MUCH ABOUT FACILITIES AND THAT'S ONLY 15 MILLION. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT LIKE, WHAT DOES IT MATTER? LIKE IT COULD BE ANY FACILITY THAT WE AGREE UPON. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. YEAH, I JUST TOOK THE AVERAGE CARBON EMISSIONS, UH, [00:50:01] FOR ALL THE FACILITIES. OKAY. AND THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY, UM, OF EMISSIONS. AND SO, UM, IT'S TRICKY. AND YEAH, 15 MILLION IS IS NOT VERY MUCH MONEY AT ALL. UM, AND UM, AND REALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE NEEDS, NEITHER IS 675. YEAH, TRUE, TRUE, TRUE. UM, AND SO, UH, THIS WAS, YEAH, NOT TO SLIGHT OTHER FACILITIES, CLEARLY A LOT OF NEED, BUT JUST ONE, ONE SCENARIO. UM, I HAD HEARD YEAH. SPECIFICALLY FIRE STATIONS BEING A, A PARTICULAR NEED. SO I PULLED THAT OUT OKAY. AND THEN KIND OF DID THE OTHER FACILITIES SEPARATELY. COOL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. YEAH. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT, YEAH. UM, RELATIVELY, UM, THE EMISSIONS, UM, ARE PRETTY SMALL, UH, COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER MM-HMM . UM, THINGS LIKE SAY, UM, DRAINAGE FACILITIES, STORM WATER FACILITIES. SO PERHAPS SOME ROOM, IF WE WANTED TO DO MORE ON FACILITY SIDE, WE COULD STILL FIT IT WITHIN A CARBON BUDGET. OKAY. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FROM DONALD ONLINE. HI. THANKS VERY MUCH. UH, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR METHODOLOGY. ONE, UH, FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PORTION. DONALD, CAN YOU SPEAK UP A BIT? IT'S HARD TO HEAR YOU. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME AT ALL? YES. HELLO. OKAY, GREAT. UM, FOR, FOR THE CARBON TONNAGE ASSOCIATED WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, WHERE DID THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM? AND ARE THOSE JUST LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION NUMBERS? BECAUSE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES IS THAT LIKE JUST DOING, THAT'S NOT REALLY GONNA CAPTURE AN ACCURATE STATEMENT ABOUT THE CARBON MITIGATION OR THE CARBON IMPACT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHEN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS LIKE STANDARDS TO IT, UH, ABOUT LOCATION TO MAKE ARAN LIKE ALL OF THE, ALL THE LIKE GOOD SORT OF TRANSIT ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA. THEY DON'T WORK UNLESS YOU HAVE RESIDENCES AND, AND PLANNING SET UP TO, TO UTILIZE IT. SO THERE, THERE'S A SYNERGY THERE, BUT I DON'T, IS IT JUST BASED ON THE RAW CONSTRUCTION IN TERMS OF WHERE THE CARBON NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM? THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM A CAR AND IT'S BOTH CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION. UH, I, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THE STAFF FROM A CAR ANSWERED THAT QUESTION IN A PREVIOUS MEETING ABOUT WHETHER IT ALSO FACTORS IN, UM, TRANSIT, YOU KNOW, ACCESS, ET CETERA. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ANSWER. RIGHT. UM, I BELIEVE THEY THOUGHT IT SAID IT DID NOT ACTUALLY. I NOT, YEAH, SO YOU'RE RIGHT. SO WE WOULD TAKE THESE, THOSE NUMBERS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AT LEAST. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE ELSE GOT THIS, BUT WHEN I GOT THE LAST UPDATE FOR THE A R PRESENTATION, IT WAS PRETTY GARBLED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT VERSION WITH THE STATS. THERE WERE JUST A LOT OF, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS WRONG WITH IT, BUT THERE, THE PDF ITSELF WAS JUST HAD A LOT OF ISSUE. THERE WERE A LOT OF SCRAMBLED TEXT AND, AND IT WAS JUST NOT SOME SORT OF LIKE PRINTING ERROR OR PUBLISHING ERROR. UM, BUT IT'D BE GREAT TO GET THAT IF THERE WAS, IF IF THEY HAVE A PRESENT, IF THEY HAVE AN UPDATED REPORT THAT INCLUDED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, ESTIMATES, THAT'D BE GREAT. 'CAUSE I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN IN THERE, BUT THE MATERIAL WAS, WAS, WAS GARBLED. UM, UH, SIMILAR THINGS I WANTED TO CHECK ABOUT. UH, FOR THE, WHENEVER YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE FUNDING ALLOCATIONS FOR YOUR EXAMPLE FOR, FOR LIKE, FOR TRANSPORTATION AND FOR WATERSHED, WERE THOSE JUST BASED ON LIKE GENERAL CATEGORICAL THINGS OR WERE YOU TYING IT TICKING AND TYING IT TO LIKE ACTUAL PROJECTS OR AMOUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS MINIMUM? UM, YEAH, I, I USED THE NUMBERS IN THE A A R SPREADSHEET. UM, AND IN SOME CASES THEY WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, SAY, UM, VISIONS OR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN OTHERS WERE KIND OF BROADER KIND OF PROGRAMMATIC ONES LIKE SAY OPEN SPACE. UM, AND SO IT, IT VARIED FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT. OH, AND SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, I MEANT, I MEANT FOR THE, THE BOND DOLLAR ALLOCATIONS. OH, LIKE HOW DID I COME UP WITH THOSE? YEAH, YEAH. THE, THE, THE AMOUNTS FOR LIKE THE AMOUNTS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION ONES, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, WELL, SO AGAIN, I LOOKED AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY RECOMMEND OR THE, THE TOTAL, UH, NEEDS AND FIGURED OUT, YOU KNOW, FROM A CARBON PERSPECTIVE HOW MUCH WE COULD AFFORD FOR EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND SO THEN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE SPENT, BUT WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH TWEAKS, BECAUSE I KNEW THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND SO, UM, YEAH, SOME OF IT WAS AR JUST ARBITRARY USING KINDA MY BEST, YOU KNOW, JUDGMENT ON UH, WHAT MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. SO, UM, UH, DEFINITELY NOT A, NOT MORE OF ART THAN SCIENCE GOTCHA. ON JUST CHOOSING THOSE PRIORITIES. GOTCHA. AND SO THE [00:55:01] BA AND THE, AND THE BASIC DYNAMIC LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ADDS CARBON AND THEN YOU OFFSET IT WITH LIKE BASICALLY WATERSHED ACQUISITIONS FOR THE MOST PART IN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, THE MINOR REDUCTION. YEAH. THO THOSE ARE PRETTY, THOSE ARE MUCH SMALLER . YES, TRUE. YEAH. OPEN SPACE AND UH, THE OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION IS THE MAIN WAY TO REDUCE THE CARBON. EXACTLY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, ANNA? AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES AND UM, THIS IS FOCUSING ON AIR QUALITY, CORRECT? NOT, AND I SEE WHERE THERE'S THREE ASTERISK REGARDING LIKE MAYBE WATER QUALITY. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALSO WATER QUALITY, NOT JUST AIR. AND THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF SOIL QUALITY. YEAH. THIS ANALYSIS JUST LOOKS AT CARBON THE YEAR, BUT CERTAINLY IF WE INVEST $175 MILLION FOR FLOOD MITIGATION WATER QUALITY, THERE ARE ALSO GONNA BE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS. WATER QUALITY BENEFITS, ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS. YES, EXACTLY. UM, YEAH, BUT HARD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FACTOR IN ALL OF THOSE THINGS. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS FOR ONE, UH, BUT WE DO HAVE A CARBON ONE, SO WE'D HAVE TO JUST SAY THAT. OH YEAH. THERE'LL, UH, BE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS THAT AREN'T FACTORED IN HERE. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING ON [5. Approve amendments to the BEATF Work Plan.] TO ITEM FIVE, APPROVE AMENDMENTS TO THE BTF WORK PLAN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BROUGHT THIS WORK PLAN TO EACH MEETING, I THINK FOR THE LAST YEAR AS WE WORK TOWARDS TRYING TO GET TO OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION IN MAY. AND GIVEN THAT WE'VE HAD SOME DELAYS IN GETTING THE CITY'S RECOMMENDED LIST AND, AND THE, UH, REPORTS FROM THE FINANCE, WE DELAYED THE FIRST, UH, WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS TO OCCUR TODAY. UM, SO I WANTED TO TAKE, UH, SOME TIME TO LOOK AT, THAT'S A VERY TINY IMAGE UP THERE. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT OR HOPEFULLY YOU PRINTED IT OUT WORKING BACKWARD. WE'VE GIVEN OURSELVES THROUGH THE FIRST WEEK IN THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH TO HAVE WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS, PRESENTATIONS. UM, I WANNA HEAR FROM THE, THE GROUP ON ONE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IMPACT WE THINK TO THE SCHEDULE, THIS CURRENT DELAY AND THE, THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING, WHETHER WE THINK WE WILL BE READY IN TWO WEEKS TO HAVE PRESENTATIONS, UM, FROM WORKING GROUPS. AND SO, UM, WE HAVE SOME, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE SOME ROOM IN THE SCHEDULE TO TO, TO PUSH THINGS LIKE WE'VE GOT APRIL 13TH, APRIL 27TH, MAY 4TH AND MARCH 26TH, ALL DESIGNED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AMONG THE LARGER GROUP OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE HAVE SOME PADDING MAYBE IN THERE IF WE WANT TO, UM, JUST PUSH EVERYTHING TO, UM, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE OF THE WORKING GROUPS COULD BE READY IN TWO WEEK, TWO WEEKS OR MAYBE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE READY TILL FEBRUARY. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION ON HOW WE PROCEED OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A UNCERTAINTY. THOUGHTS, HAYDEN? YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE THOUGHTS. UM, ONE IS THE TRANSPORTATION WORKING GROUP ADDED AN EXTRA TWO EXTRA MEETINGS, ONE OF WHICH IS THIS WEDNESDAY, UM, TO MEET THE DEADLINE. SO I FEEL LIKE TRANSPORTATION PROBABLY IS, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR GARY, I'M LOOKING AT HIM, BUT , WE CAN, WE CAN AT LEAST START THAT PROCESS. I, I FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY WILL LEARN A LOT AS WE GO THROUGH THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN TRANSPORTATION IS MAYBE EVEN COMING UP WITH THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO TRY TO HELP SORT OF, BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER, AS A WORKING AS A TASK FORCE PUT LIKE A LIMIT ON WHAT EACH WORKING GROUP CAN COME UP WITH. SO WE THOUGHT THREE MIGHT BE HELPFUL SINCE WE DON'T YET HAVE THAT. UM, BUT THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TO MENTION, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE US, WE'RE VOLUNTEERS AND I SEE US WORKING SO HARD, WE'VE DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF TASK FORCE MEETINGS. I THINK MOST OF THE WORKING GROUPS HAVE DOUBLED THE LENGTH OF THEIR MEETINGS AND THE NUMBER OF WORK GROUP MEETINGS. AND SO MY AND I AND I REALIZE WE'RE ALL KIND OF WAITING WITH BATED BREATH FOR THIS FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE BOND CAPACITY IS AND HOPEFULLY GET THIS RECOMMENDED LIST FROM THE CITY. BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME WITH VERY SPECIFIC DELIVERABLES AND MEETING DATES. I WOULD LOVE FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO DO US THE FAVOR OF DOING THE SAME. I WOULD LOVE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO GIVE US A LIST OF DELIVERABLES AND NOT MONTHS, LIKE [01:00:01] IN PREVIOUS MEMOS, LIKE FROM OCTOBER, BUT ACTUAL SPECIFIC DATES OF DELIVERABLES SO THAT WE CAN MATCH THOSE UP TO OUR MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN MEET THESE DEADLINES. UM, 'CAUSE I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I MEAN, I BOND IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I, I HATE TO SEE THOSE DEADLINES KEEP SLIPPING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I THINK IT'S TIME TO STOP KIND OF PUSHING THINGS OUT. UM, I MEAN THE OCTOBER MEMO SAYS, I ASSUME IT'S WRONG, SAYS THAT THE BTF IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL LIKE APRIL 21ST, BUT WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THE BEGINNING OF MAY. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. OUR DATE'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY, GOOD. I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY REQUEST. AND MARCUS, I SEE YOU LOOKING FROM OVER THERE. I APPRECIATE YOU , UM, LISTENING TO THAT REQUEST. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR, WE HAVE A SPECIFIC AGENDA AND I I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR A SPECIFIC LIST OF DELIVERABLES LIKE THE OCTOBER MEMO, BUT THAT'S NO LONGER CORRECT A CORRECT TIMELINE WITH NOT MONTHS. BUT AGAIN, I'LL ASK FOR SPECIFIC DATES FOR DELIVERABLES. I, I AGREE WITH THAT AND I HAVE VOICED MY SAME CONCERN TO STAFF IN OUR MEETINGS. AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU, UH, REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU REACH, WE ALL DO THAT. WE ALL MAKE AS MUCH NOISE ABOUT THAT AS WE CAN. UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T FORCE THE CITY MANAGER TO DO ANYTHING AND MARCUS CAN'T FORCE THE CITY MANAGER, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OTHERS CAN HELP. SO ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE SCHEDULE? I, I'M FINE WITH WHICH WHEREVER WE GO WITH THE SCHEDULE. I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AS FAR AS ONCE THEY GET A REVISED, LIKE MY UNDERSTANDING WEDNESDAY THE COMMITTEE IS THEY'RE GONNA WORK ON IT AND STILL HAS TO GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, IS THERE GONNA BE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION OR ARE THEY GOING TO JUST ADOPT A RECOMMENDATION COM COMING AT A COMMITTEE FOR US THEN TO, TO TAKE, UM, AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, WHAT'S ROLE, IS IT GOING TO BE, WHAT'S THE ROLE THAT CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES GONNA HAVE WITH THE EXISTING LIST? ARE YOU GONNA BE RERUNNING IT THROUGH? AND THEN HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE IN ORDER TO GIVE US THAT ADDITIONAL DATA POINT? MARCUS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT OR ERIC, THANK YOU . AND THIS IS COMING UP CHAIR. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU. I MEAN, IT'S FOR ME A LITTLE BIT LESS. IT'S A CITY MANAGER MORE ON, ON COUNCIL. I UNDERSTAND THEIR, THEIR CHALLENGES. UM, BUT THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE A CITIZENS GROUP WHO PUTS THESE THINGS TOGETHER, PARTICULARLY AFTER COUNCIL PUTS TOGETHER THE TRE, UM, AND THERE WAS AN AS CITIZENS GROUP ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO I WOULD SAY TRUST IN YOUR CITIZENS GROUP AND, UM, AND, AND LET US DO OUR JOB. UH, ERIC BAILEY, CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES, UM, CAN YOU STATE THE QUESTION AGAIN? SORRY. THERE WAS A LOT THERE AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M GETTING IT ALL. YEAH. UH, NO, NO PROBLEM. UM, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE, WE'LL SAY THE NEXT STEP. WHAT'S THE WORKFLOW LOOK LIKE AFTER WE, OR AT WEDNESDAY IS WEDNESDAY THE EXPECTATION COMMITTEE FINALIZES THIS WORKFLOW OR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, AND THEN IT'S GETS IMPLEMENTED OR IS WHAT I WOULD SUSPECT IT WOULD GO TO FULL COUNSEL. UM, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HAD SAW IN THE BULLETIN, BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN. AND IF IT'S FULL COUNSEL, THAT IS THE WE THE FOLLOWING WEEK. AND SO WHAT IS THE IMPACT? WELL, FROM THERE, THAT DECISION AND WITH THE LIST OF PROJECTS COMING, UM, HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED THROUGH CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES, WHICH WE GREATLY APPRECIATE. I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL REFILTER THAT LIST. AND HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE? MM-HMM . TILL WE GET THAT REVISED LIST THROUGH THE NEW FILTER, IF THAT'S THE CASE. YEAH, I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHEN ARE WE GETTING YOUR LIST, WHAT THE COUNCIL DOES THAT THEIR, THEIR, THAT THEIR DECISION MAKING DOES NOT AFFECT US? WE LOOKING FOR YOUR LIST. YEP. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME ON WEDNESDAY AT AUDIT AND FINANCE. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR AND THAT, AND THAT GROUP IS GONNA LEAD THAT CONVERSATION. UM, AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE FULL COUNCIL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WE'LL KNOW MORE ON WEDNESDAY, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE WILL. IN TERMS OF THE, THE CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES LIST. UM, WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, GONE THROUGH AND EVALUATED THOSE PROJECTS WITH THE PROJECT REVIEW BOARD AND WE HAVE, UM, DEVELOPED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND THINGS. AND SO I ASSUME WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IS IF THE COUNCIL SETS THE NUMBER, UM, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND ADAPT THE LIST ACCORDINGLY. THAT WILL NOT TAKE THAT LONG BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE THE PROJECTS BASICALLY RANKED AND, AND WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, INCORPORATE INCREASE, DECREASE, CHANGE IT HOWEVER IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. BUT WE NEED TO BE GIVEN THAT [01:05:01] INPUT FROM COUNCIL AND THE MANAGER'S OFFICE ABOUT WHAT LEVEL THEY WANT TO SET THAT UP BEFORE IT GOES OUT. YEAH. SEE MY MORE, MY CONCERN IS MORE RELATING TO WHERE IT SAYS BUDGET AND OPERATING BUDGET IMPACTS OF PROPOSED PROJECTS HAVE BEEN ANALYZED, INCORPORATED INTO THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONS COMPONENT, IT'S GONNA TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME. AND IF THAT BECOMES THE FILTER IN WHICH THEY'RE NOT JUST JUDGING THE BOND PACKAGE, BUT THE ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT FEED INTO THE BOND PACKAGE, THAT'S, I GUESS I'M HOPING THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS, PROVIDES SOME CURRENT CLARITY TO CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES AND FINANCE SAYING, HOLD OFF ON YOUR LIST UNTIL WE SEE WHAT GETS VOTED ON AND RUN IT THROUGH. OR IF THERE'S NO INSTRUCTION AT ALL AND WE ARE JUST WORKING CONCURRENTLY. YEAH, WORKING CONCURRENTLY, UNLESS THERE'S SPECIFIC DIRECTION THAT'S GIVEN. OKAY. UM, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S DEVELOPED THE, A REG AND IT IS AN INITIAL RECOMMENDATION. AND SO IT'S, THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE, THIS IS NO, WE GOT, YOU KNOW, AN INITIAL CUT. SO SOMEONE HAD TO BE THE FIRST PERSON THROUGH THE GATE TO, TO MAKE THAT. AND THAT WE GOT THE HONOR OF DOING THAT, WHICH IS A VERY DIFFICULT TASK. UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU FRAMING IT THAT WAY. YEAH. VERY MUCH. YEAH. AND SO, UM, IT'S VERY MUCH UP TO UP TO CHANGE AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE MESSAGE THAT I TELL FOLKS IS, LOOK, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, FAVORITES WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN HERE. WE LOOKED AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING AND A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT OF, UM, THE NEEDS THAT ARE OUT THERE, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO BE DELIVERED AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND EVALUATED THOSE CRITERIA ON A VERY TECHNICAL BASIS. THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT GOES INTO IT, UM, ON THE POLITICAL AND FINANCING SIDE AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE JUST PRESENTING THE LIST AS A TECHNICAL RECOMMENDATION THAT CAN BE CHANGED, UPDATED, HOWEVER, THE COMMUNITY, THE COUNCIL Y'ALL SEE FIT TO DO THAT AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. APPRECIATE THAT. JC CHAY, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL IN TERMS OF THINGS WE NEED FROM THE CITY, THEY ARE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE COMMITTEE HEARING ON WEDNESDAY. LIN HAS A QUESTION. I'M SORRY, WHO WAS THAT? UH, ONLINE. JUST HAS A QUESTION. YEAH, I SEE HIM. I'LL GET TO HIM. YEAH. SAY THAT AGAIN. SORRY. WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR SPECIFICALLY? IS THAT THE, IT WASN'T A QUESTION, IT WAS A COMMENT. OH, SORRY. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE CITY COUNCIL TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT WE NEED AS A GROUP TO GO TO THIS MEETING ON WEDNESDAY AND SAY, SO AT THE AUDIT AND FINANCE, I WAS ASKING WHAT YES, YES. AT THE AUDIT AND FINANCE MEETING, IT WOULD BE GERMANE TO THEIR, THEIR BOND, UM, PIECE OF THE MEETING. WAS THAT KABA WITH HER HAND UP? YES. UH, IT WAS, UM, I HAD A A A FEW QUICK THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, UM, AMONG BOTH OF THE WORKING GROUPS THAT ARE, UH, SCHEDULED TO PRESENT AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM, AND I THINK BOTH OF THEM ARE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE IN LINE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE'RE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING. SO FEEL FREE TO, FOR, TO, TO CORRECT ME IF ANYBODY FEELS LIKE WE CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. UM, AND THEN JUST KIND OF, I GUESS SECONDING WHAT HAYDEN, UH, SAID IN TERMS OF GETTING TO A POINT WHERE LIKE WE HAVE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET AND THEN LIKE WE CAN USE THAT TO GO FORWARD. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ITEMS ON OUR, UM, CRITERIA LIST IS DOES STAFF RECOMMEND IT? AND I AT LEAST LOVE THAT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT WAS LIKE, IS IT ON THE SHORT LIST? BUT IT NOW SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MORE OF LIKE A RANKED LIST AS OPPOSED TO A SHORT LIST. SO I, YEAH, I JUST LIKE, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT ITEM. LIKE AS I'VE BEEN SCORING, I'VE JUST BEEN LEAVING IT BLANK. UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S, AND MAYBE A QUESTION TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT FOLKS WANNA DO. AND THEN YEAH. YOU KNOW, I CAN SPEAK LIKE, I'M PUTTING A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS. UM, AND I HAVE UNFORTUNATELY, I, I MESSED UP WHEN WE WERE DOING THE SCHEDULING, I SOMEHOW GOT IN MY HEAD THAT THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH WAS GONNA BE THE ONE IN THE EVENING. SO I'M LITERALLY NOW FOR FOUR MONTHS. I'M IN TWO MEETINGS AT ONCE, WHICH IS WHY I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON AND WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT, IMPOSSIBLE TO DO BOTH CORRECTLY. SO, UM, YEAH, I FEEL LIKE I'M PUTTING IN A FULL EFFORT AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET TO THE END OF THIS. UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, BUT I DO THINK WE CAN PRESENT, THE TWO GROUPS CAN PRESENT AT THE NEXT MEETING. GREAT. OKAY. THE ITEM IS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, APPROVE AMENDMENTS TO THE B TTIP WORK PLAN. AND SO FAR I'M HEARING THAT, THAT JANUARY 26TH, WHICH IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT, IS THAT WE'RE NOT NEEDING TO TAKE ANYBODY OFF THAT AGENDA, IS WHAT I'M HEARING. YOUR HONOR, I'LL CHAIR WHEN, WHEN MY TIME, I'LL OFFER A DIFFERENT UH, OKAY. PERSPECTIVE. I CAN WAIT TILL AFTER HE SPEAKS. OKAY. GO AHEAD GARY. [01:10:01] SO TO, TO START WITH, I, I SEE THAT OUR TASK FORCE MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY, UM, EACH OF THOSE TWO MEETINGS RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A, THEY'RE SCHEDULED FOR A PRESENTATION BY ONE WORKING GROUP. MM-HMM . UH, I, I'VE NEVER GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE, BUT IT WOULD FEEL LIKE WE COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE WORKING GROUP PRESENT AT EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS. IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, THEN I'LL SUGGEST, BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AUDIT COMMITTEE, CITY COUNCIL, WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS IT FOR ANY OF THE WORKING GROUPS. I THINK THEY WOULD BE BETTER SERVED. I CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK FOR THE TWO ON WHICH I SIT IN MY, MY PERSPECTIVE ON THOSE. I WOULD FEEL BETTER HAVING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION FROM STAFF UNDERSTANDING BETTER THAN NUM WHAT THE FULL NUMBER IS FOR ME AS A WORKING GROUP MEMBER TO THEN ADVOCATE FOR THE WORK WITHIN THE WORKING GROUP AND THEN PRESENT TO THIS, TO THIS TASK FORCE. HAVING THAT AS MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL JEOPARDIZE OUR TIMELINE TIMELINE AT ALL, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME EXTRA TIME IN HERE. I HEAR YOU. I, I, AND I, I THINK I AGREE WITH THAT. I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET FROM THE CITY AND I DON'T WANT TO KEEP PUSHING IT OFF. 'CAUSE WE, THEORETICALLY, OTHER THAN THE ISSUE RAISED ON OUR CRITERIA, WE CAN DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS SOMEWHAT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S LIST. AND ALTHOUGH IN A PERFECT WORLD WE WOULD HAVE THIS REALLY, I THINK A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN PROMISED FOR MONTHS. UM, BUT I'M ALSO WILLING TO, IF IT MAKES SENSE, AT LEAST FOR THIS NEXT GO ROUND, TO, TO MOVE WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE 26TH TO THE LATE THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN DOUBLE UP, UM, THE TWO FOLLOWING THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S AN IDEA ON THE, ON THE TABLE THAT WE COULD YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND I'LL PUT IT IN MOTION. I NEED TO PUT A MOTION, BUT I'LL JUST MAKE IT AS A FORMAL ASK NOW, UM, THAT WE DO THAT JUST TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE NEXT WEEK. UM, BECAUSE IT, WE CAN STILL MAKE THE TIMELINE WORK AND MAYBE WHEN IN FEBRUARY WE, I'M, I'M RESPECTFULLY WE MAYBE WHEN WE GET INTO FEBRUARY, WE STILL WON'T KNOW, BUT WE KNOW, WE KNOW NOW WE DON'T HAVE IT , SO, OKAY. THAT'S AN IDEA TO, TO MOVE. WE CAN GET SPECIFICALLY ON THE DATES IN A SECOND. DOES ANYONE HAVE A COUNTER? I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. DON'T WANNA, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY. OKAY. KABA? YES. YEAH. UM, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE DON'T PUSH THOSE TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE ON THE 26TH TO THE FIRST MEETING IN, UH, FEBRUARY. AS I JUST MENTIONED, I AM NOT ABLE TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH BECAUSE OF THE SCHEDULING. UM, THE OTHER MEETING THAT I'M IN IS ALSO A CITY COMMISSION MEETING, SO I'M REALLY KIND OF BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. AND ALSO I THINK THOSE TWO GROUPS HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO BE ABLE TO BE ON SCHEDULE. AND SO IT FEELS A LITTLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY DID WE HUSTLE? UM, I, I THINK WE CAN HAVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND REFINE THEM. I WOULD PUSH IT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION OF LIKE, LET'S GET ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE TABLE BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALMOST CERTAINLY GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND REFINE THEM. SO I WOULD RATHER NOT DELAY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS FOR THE CITY AT EVERY STEP. WE'VE WAITED MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS FOR CITY STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE IN PARTICULAR. IT'S JUST A FACT. UM, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO OUR BUSINESS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA MAKE TWEAKS AT THE END, WE CAN. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS TWO OPTIONS. ONE, KEEP THE PLAN AS IS. AND THE SECOND OPTION, AND GARY, GET YOUR INPUT ON THIS, WOULD BE TO MOVE TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIFICATION AND FACILITIES TO FEBRUARY THE NINTH AND THEN HAVE PARKLAND OPEN SPACE AND STORM WATER ON THE 23RD. IS THAT REFLECT WHAT YOU'RE IT, IT, IT DID, BUT I HEAR WHAT KYLIE WAS SAYING, THAT SHE'S ON TWO COMMITTEE, UH, TWO WORKING GROUPS AND, AND SHE CAN'T, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH IS NOT GOOD. AND SO LEMME JUST MAKE THIS AS COMPLICATED AS I CAN THINK OF IT RIGHT NOW AND ASK IF THIS, IF WE, IF THE STORMWATER AND INVESTMENT FACILITIES COULD DO FEBRUARY THE NINTH AND THEN PARKLAND AND TRANSPORTATION ON FEBRUARY THE 23RD, SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH. CAN YOU JUST REPEAT THAT FOR ME SO I CAN JUST MAKE A NOTE SO I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SURE. UM, SO, SO THE, THE, THE NINTH WOULD HAVE WHOM WHAT CAN, WHAT WOULD BE ON THE NINTH FACILITIES? UHHUH, AND STORMWATER. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE 23RD, PARKLAND AND TRANSPORTATION. OKAY. ANY THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION ON THAT PROPOSAL? WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, ONE IS KEEPING [01:15:01] IT AS IS. THE SECOND IS NOT HAVING ANY PRESENTATIONS ON THE 26TH FACILITIES IN STORMWATER ON THE NINTH AND PARKLAND AND TRANSPORTATION ON THE 23RD. SO I WILL LET GARY MAKE A MOTION FOR, FOR THAT CHANGE. SO MOVED SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF DISCUSSION. SORRY? DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION. THANK YOU DAVE. RIGHT. I THINK KAVA SAID THAT SHE CAN'T BE HERE ON THE NINTH AND SHE'S THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE WORK GROUP ON FACILITIES. CORRECT. OH, THAT, THAT, THAT, I APOLOGIZE THEN I I THOUGHT THAT KAVA WAS ON TRANSPORTATION PARKLAND BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONES THAT I'M ON WITH HER, BUT SO YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE EITHER THE NINTH OR THE 23RD? NOPE. NO. I AM ABLE TO MAKE THE 23RD. THE, THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH IS NOT A PROBLEM. AND FOR THAT MATTER, LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE IF WE WERE ABLE TO SWITCH THE TIMING OF THE MEETING SO THAT THE FIRST ONE WAS IN THE DAYTIME AND THE SECOND ONE WAS AT NIGHT, I COULD ALSO MAKE THAT WORK. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE AMENABLE TO THAT, BUT, AND I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M SORRY THAT I JUST DID NOT REALIZE UNTIL ALL THE INVITES WENT OUT AND THEN I WAS LIKE, OH NO, THAT'S THE SAME AS THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION MEETING. OKAY. BUT YES, UM, I AM CHAIRING THE FACILITIES GROUP AND I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO BE FULLY IN ATTENDANCE FOR THAT DISCUSSION. SO IF WE POSSIBLE, AND I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH THOSE TWO PRESENTATIONS. LIKE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN, WE'RE GONNA BE READY. OKAY. SO IF WE DID HER TWO FACILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION ON THE 23RD, SHE COULD BE THERE PARKLAND AND STORMWATER ON THE NINTH. THAT'S JUST AN IDEA. I KNOW WHY WE'RE MOVING 'EM I THINK IS BECAUSE PEOPLE, SOME FOLKS MIGHT WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY, BUT THOSE, THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE IS KEEPING IT AS IS. DO YOU WANNA MODIFY YOUR MOTION, GARY, TO CHANGE ANYTHING? YES, PLEASE. I'LL, WHATEVER MY ROBERT'S RULE OF ORDER IS THE MOTION TO MODIFY MY MOTION. OKAY. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE MOTION IS THAT WE HAVE MOVED PARKLAND AND STORMWATER TO THE NINTH. SORRY, PARKLAND IS ALREADY ON THE NINTH FACILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION TO THE 23RD OF FEBRUARY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? I'D RATHER NOT, I MEAN, I WAS GOOD WITH THE OTHER SIDE PERSONALLY, I'D RATHER NOT HAVE TWO OF MY COMMITTEES UP TO THE SAME DAY. SO WHICH ARE WHICH ONE? PARKLAND AND WATERSHED. I, I FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY WILL GET A DISSERVICE 'CAUSE I'LL BE DRAINED PROBABLY AFTER THE WIND DEPARTMENT. WELL, WE COULD MOVE STORM WATER TO THE MARCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEETING. I'M TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. APPRECIATE THE MIDDLE CHILD IN ME . WE CAN, WE CAN APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I, I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO, UM, THE CHAIR THOUGH OF THE COMMITTEE. I REALLY THINK WE'RE GONNA REGRET POSTPONING ALL OF THIS. I I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO COME BACK. I THINK EVERY WORKING GROUP IS GONNA GET A LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF THIS OR THAT OR THERE'S GONNA BE FEEDBACK. I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF US UP AGAINST OUR THINK A LOT OF US WANT THE DATA POINT THOUGH IN JANUARY. WHICH DATA POINT, LIKE THE SHORT LIST? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. WHAT THE PROJECTS COMING BACK FROM THE CITY, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WE'RE GONNA GET THAT. I MEAN, IT WAS PROMISED IN NOVEMBER AND THEN DECEMBER AND THEN LAST WEEK AND , I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T, I MEAN, I, I KNOW I KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPORTING RIGHT NOW, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN GOING ON A YEAR BEFORE ME, SO, OKAY. I THINK THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS, THE 26TH PARKLAND AND STORM WATER ON THE NINTH FACILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION ON THE 23RD. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT? OR WE CAN VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT. ALL IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE BT WORK PLAN? SO SO YOU'RE SAYING HAVING STORM WATER ON THE NINTH? YES. AND NOT WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR NOT WITH HOUSING. RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK THE CURRENT MOTION, I'M GONNA, I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST IT. OKAY. YES. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW EVERYONE ELSE'S SCHEDULE, SO I, BUT I, I, LET ME, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION BECAUSE I WANT, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS FOR A YEAR, SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO STAY TOGETHER AND PUT EVERYONE, NOT HAVE ANYONE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE IN JEOPARDY, BUT ALSO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT TIME. I MEAN WE'VE [01:20:01] GOT, WE'VE GOT FOUR MEETINGS HERE, THREE MEETINGS HERE TOWARD THE END. WE'RE, WE'RE JUST WORKING THROUGH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE, IN MY OPINION, WE'VE GOT TIME TO WORK THROUGH THIS SO YOU'RE WITHDRAWING THE MOTION. YES. SO THE, UH, I BELIEVE WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING WOULD BE TO KEEP THE BTF WORK PLAN AS IT'S PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US. IS THAT CORRECT? BUT WE DO THANK YOU. OKAY. WE DO ACTUALLY NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON IT BECAUSE I MOVED THINGS FROM THE 12TH TO THE 26TH MEETING. AND WE JUST WANNA BE YES, BEN, I DO HAVE SOME . OKAY. OKAY. WELL THEN, THEN I MAY, MAY WANNA HOLD MY MOTION, BUT I WAS GONNA MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THIS AS IT IS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE TIME LATER ON BECAUSE AS INFORMATION COMES FORWARD AND EVERYONE'S RANKINGS AND, AND IDEAS AND CONSIDERATIONS COME OUT ON THE TABLE, WE WILL WANT TO REVISIT AND CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION. BUT I, I FULLY AGREE WITH WHAT KABA SAID ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE UP AGAINST THE CLOCK THE FURTHER WE GET INTO THIS. SO LIKE, LET'S PUT THE CARDS ON THE TABLE AND THEN WE CAN START HAVING THE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION. I HAD A COMMENT THOUGH FROM HAYDEN'S FIRST COMMENTS, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA DO THE MOTION FIRST BEFORE NO, FEEL FREE. WE'RE STILL TALKING. UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP, UM, I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUTTING IN A LOT OF WORK AND WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER ABOUT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS IS THAT I FEEL LIKE WHILE ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GONNA BE AT THE MEETING, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYONE NEEDS TO CREATE ANYTHING FOR THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, BUT I JUST AM, I GUESS I WAS ALWAYS ENVISIONING THAT SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE WERE DOING WAS GONNA MAKE IT TO THE BIG MEETINGS. LIKE SOME NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WANNA ACTUALLY SHARE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I GUESS I WAS JUST THINKING SOME OF THE WORKING GROUP WORK WAS GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND I JUST THINK WE'RE MISSING OUT IF THE ONLY TIME PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS FOR THIS MEETING. AND SO I'M NOT ASKING THE WORKING GROUP TO MAKE SOMETHING ELSE UP. I'M JUST LIKE, CAN WE SHOW OUR WORK SOME WAY THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY ADD, LIKE, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE CITY IS LIKE CREATING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THAT'S FOR US, BUT WE HAVE NO SAY THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE BOARDS, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE SURVEY, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE EVERYTHING. AND WE WON'T PUT WE'VE, I MEAN MORE YOU'LL, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING IN THAT MANY WORKING GROUPS, YOU'LL DONE ALL THIS WORK IN THESE WORKING GROUPS, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THESE SCORING RECOMMENDATIONS AND NONE OF IT'S GONNA BE IN THE PUBLIC MEETING. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A MAJOR MISS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A WAY TO SHOW OUR WORK OR IF THERE ARE NOTES. I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE SHOWING OUR WORK WHILE WE'RE STILL HAVING THESE MEETINGS FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS. SO THAT'S MY BIG COMMENT. DOES THAT IMPACT THIS SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE TALKING? NO, I KNOW, BUT NO, I'M JUST SURE. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT, I JUST LOOKING, I JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF THE, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I JUST STILL FEEL LIKE SOME OF THIS, THIS SCHEDULE, WHETHER WE CHANGED IT UP OR NOT, I MEAN, IT'S ONLY GONNA HAPPEN. THIS WORK IS ONLY GONNA BE SEEN IN THIS MEETING EITHER DURING THE DAY OR ON A RANDOM NIGHT. SO ROBERT, UH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT. I, I THINK WE SHOULD GET THE SOONER THE BETTER. WE SHOULD GET THE WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS OUT WHETHER THEY'RE FULLY COMPLETE OR NOT, BECAUSE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK WILL BE VETTED BY THE WHOLE BOARD. AND I THINK WE'LL GET MORE DONE ONCE WE, ONCE THE WHOLE BOARD HEARS WHAT EVERYONE'S BEEN DOING. SO I THINK THE SOONER THE BETTER CHARLES, SO IF FACILITIES MAKES THEIR REPORT ON THE 26TH AND WHICH INCLUDES PART OF THE CRITERIA IS COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE INVITING THE PUBLIC TO GIVE COMMUNITY INPUT WHEN WE'VE ALREADY RANKED THE PROJECTS ON AN ASSUMPTION OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT. IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE COMMUNITY SUPPORT, THEN HOW ARE WE GONNA RANK PROJECTS BASED ON COMMUNITY SUPPORT? WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE INPUT IF WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE DECISIONS AND RANKINGS OF HOW WE'VE EVALUATED COMMUNITY SUPPORT, WHY WOULD WE ASK THE COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO GIVE INPUT? WELL, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT, IS THAT I THOUGHT THESE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND GETTING FEEDBACK OF LIKE, HEY, DO YOU AGREE WITH US? IT REALLY WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO RAISE IT. LIKE, WE REALLY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ASKING FOR GENERAL THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS ABOUT THE PROJECTS AS A WHOLE BECAUSE WE HOPE TO HAVE THE CITIES RANKED LISTS AND WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS. I MEAN, THAT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT THE SECOND ROUND, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS [01:25:01] PRESENTED TO US TODAY, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO COUNTER IN ANY WAY. WELL, WE SHOULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IT AS BEING DRAFT FIRST DRAFT AND ALSO AS HAYDEN MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, HAVE LIKE THREE OPTIONS. A VERY CHEAP ONE, A MODERATE ONE, AND AN EXPENSIVE ONE, THAT KIND OF THING. AND THEN WE COULD TALK ABOUT TRADING WITHIN THOSE, I MEAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THIS, BUT THIS IS JUST THE FIRST DRAFT. MM-HMM . AGREED. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON, I THINK THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS TO KEEP THE WORK PLAN AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF YOU. SO ALL IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE WORK PLAN AS IT'S WRITTEN IN AS IT WAS DELIVERED TO YOU. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED TO ADOPTING THE AMENDMENT TO THE WORK PLAN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE COUNTED ANY OF ABSTAIN ABSTENTIONS. THE WORK PLAN IS APPROVED. OKAY. ANY IDEAS FOR [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ] FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? I THINK WE MIGHT WANNA REVISIT THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT QUESTION. MM-HMM . OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK GARY MADE THE POINT ABOUT THE 28TH BEING REALLY SOON, SO IF THEY DO PUSH THAT ONE OUT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD SOMETHING TO THEIR CONTENT THAT IS LIKE THE PROPOSED. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PACE AUTHORITY IF, OR HAVE AN INVITATION WHOM, SORRY? PACE. PACE. SO THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE FINANCING, PARTICULARLY WITH YOUR ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACTING RELATING TO FACILITIES. AND THAT BEING AS AN ALTERNA ALTERNATIVE MEANS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE FUNDING NEEDS ON PROJECTS THAT MAY REQUIRE CAPITAL INVESTMENT. OKAY. GREAT. OTHER AGENDA ITEMS FOR THAT MEETING? WELL, NOT NECESSARILY AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT, OKAY. UM, THE MEETING THAT'S ON WEDNESDAY FOR THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. WHERE AND WHEN IS THAT? IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, WEDNESDAY MORNING AND I WILL SEND THE A TXN INFORMATION OUT ALONG WITH THE AGENDA. I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT NINE 30. GREAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . AND WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP MEETING AT THAT SAME TIME. I ASSUME IT'LL BE RECORDED. YES. AUDIT AND FINANCE. YEAH. YES, BEN? UH, THE, THE AGENDA'S POSTED ONLINE. PUSH YOUR MICROPHONE. YEAH, THE AGENDA'S POSTED ONLINE FOR THOSE WHO ARE CURIOUS. BUT THE JANUARY 14TH, UH, REGULAR MEETING, THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, UM, THEY, THEY START AT NINE AND, UH, FOR AGENDA ITEMS FOR OUR NEXT B TIFF MEETING, I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO DISCUSS THAT AUDIT AND FINANCE MEETING. I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO FREE TO, TO DISCUSS WHAT WE LEARNED FROM WEDNESDAY'S MEETING. YES, AND I, I, WE HAD HOPED TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION FROM FINANCIAL SERVICES AT THIS MEETING AND I'VE GOT IT TENTATIVELY ON THE WORK PLAN TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF THAT AT THE 26TH MEETING. AND I'VE BEEN PROMISED THAT THERE WILL BE, THERE MAY NOT BE A PRESENTATION FROM FINANCIAL SERVICES, BUT THERE WILL BE FOLKS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. CORRECTION, YOU'RE RIGHT. NINE 30 AT 3 0 1 WEST SECOND STREET. JUST MAKING SURE LIKE THERE'S A QUESTION ONLINE. MARY, UH, QUESTION ONLINE. UH, DONALD, I WAS JUST GONNA, UH, JUST GONNA NOTE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT. THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX INCLUDES THEIR PRESENT INCLUDES THE PRESENTATION FROM FINANCE ABOUT BOND CAPACITY. YES. SO THAT'S UP THERE IF FOLKS WANNA LOOK AT THAT. THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, UH, ON SLIDE 23. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? HEARING NONE AND WE HAVE, UH, COMPLETED ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. SO THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. WE HAVE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.