Jan 16, 2026 Community Police Review Commission

HI, MAYOR.

OKAY, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION GENERAL IF WE HAD ANY SPEAKERS FOR TODAY.

ITEM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR TODAY'S MEETING.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

SO ITEM NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF DECEMBER 20TH, 2020 FIFTH.

IF I COULD GET A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

I SECOND.

STAFF BRIEFINGS IN OUR AGENDA.

I HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.

UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD ON THIS PREVIOUS AGENDA, NOW IS THE TIME.

SO I OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION.

OTHERWISE, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, I WILL CALL YOUR NAME.

PLEASE SAY YAY, NAY, OR ABSTAIN.

COMMISSIONER GREAVES.

YAY.

COMMISSIONER DE LOPEZ.

COMMISSIONER PETERMAN.

AND MYSELF, VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER FRANCO ASKED ACTING CHAIR FOR TODAY'S MEETING.

YAY.

AS WELL.

WITH THAT, WE HAVE PASSED THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF OUR ACTION ITEM NUMBER ONE.

MOVING ON TO

[2. Staff briefing regarding progress of work with the Police Technology Unit on an internal drive for the CPRC to access case files. ]

ITEM NUMBER TWO, STAFF BRIEFING REGARDING PROGRESS OF WORK WITH THE POLICE TECHNOLOGY UNIT ON AN INTERNAL DRIVE FOR THE CPRC TO ACCESS CASE FILES.

HELLO? UM, SO WE DID TALK TO THE PTU UNIT.

THERE WAS, UH, WE WERE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH SHAREPOINT.

I THINK THAT THERE WAS ONLY LIKE A 40, IT WAS BETWEEN 30 TO 40 GIGABYTES THAT WAS ALLOWED FOR STORAGE ON SHAREPOINT.

AND SO SOME OF THE FILES THAT WE HAD TRANSFERRED FOR THE CPRC TO REVIEW, UH, THEY WERE WEREN'T, THE FILES WEREN'T THERE.

UH, WE WERE NOTIFIED BY COMMISSIONER PENA.

WE LOOKED INTO IT.

SO WE HAD A MEETING AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET, UM, ONE TERABYTE ON THERE.

SO WITH THE FILES THAT WE HAVE, WE WENT BACK IN THERE AND WE MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE IN THERE.

SO THAT WAY YOU COULD REVIEW.

UM, IF YOU GO BACK, THE, THE ONE OF THE CASES, UM, IT'S, THERE WAS MISSING QUITE A, A FEW BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGES ON THERE, BUT I WENT BACK AND I MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE ALL IN THERE.

SO ALL THE FILES ARE IN, IN, IN THAT, IN THE SHAREPOINT DRIVE.

UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ABOUT SHAREPOINT AND ACCESSING IT? I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING SO ATTENTIVE AND GETTING ON THAT AS SOON AS I REPORTED IT, I DID NOTICE THAT ADDITIONAL FILES WERE UPDATED MM-HMM .

UM, FORTUNATELY IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, SUCH A SHORT TIME PERIOD THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO OVER THAT INDIVIDUAL OFFICER IN THE CASE.

BUT I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU GUYS DID A REALLY GREAT JOB GETTING THAT TAKEN CARE OF QUICKLY.

SO THANK YOU.

AWESOME.

I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION FROM, FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER GRAPES, I ALSO JUST WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, SOMEONE FROM A PD IS, IS, IS SELECTING AND DIRECTING WHAT GOES INTO THIS FILE THAT'S UNIQUELY VIEWED BY US.

AND SO WHEN WE RECEIVE THIS, THERE'S STILL A POTENTIAL OF SOMETHING BEING

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LEFT OUT.

I MEAN, NOT MAYBE IN UNINTENTIONAL OR WHATEVER, BUT BASICALLY SOMETHING.

SO WHAT WE ARE VIEWING IS NOT THE ACTUAL DIRECTORY ITSELF, THE DATABASE ITSELF, BUT WE ARE VIEWING OUR VERSION, UH, UH, CPRC VERSION OF WHAT SHOULD BE ON THESE FILES.

IS THAT HOW YOU UNDERSTAND IT TOO? PRESENTLY? NO.

SO THE FILES THAT WE HAD GET, WITH THE FILES THAT WE GET FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WE TRANSFER THE ENTIRE FILE.

SO IN THE ENTIRE CASE FILE THAT WE HAVE, WE, WE TRANSFERRED IT TO SHAREPOINT.

SO ALL FILES SHOULD BE IN THE, IN THE FOLDER WHENEVER YOU ACCESS THROUGH SHAREPOINT.

YEAH, BUT MY QUESTION IS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF KNOWING FOR SURE IF I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS EVERYTHING THAT, THAT THEY SHARE, WE GET, I, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT I'M NOT NOT SURE IS HOW WE VERIFY EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE.

WE GET, BECAUSE I THINK BY, BY THE, BY THE DECREE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND SUBTLY RIGHT NOW, NOW WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT EVERYTHING YOU GET, YOU PUT ON THERE, I STILL HAVE TO GO, WE STILL HAVE TO GO AND TRY TO VERIFY, UH, A WAY OF KNOWING THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE IS PUT ON THIS FILE.

CHAIR.

THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD, UH, NOT BE PRESENT, WELL, JUST, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA BE REDACTED IS JUST THE CJS INFORMATION.

BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WANT TO IMPLEMENT A PRACTICE THAT SHOWS, UM, CHECKS AND BALANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE FILES ARE THERE, WE COULD, WE COULD DEVELOP SOMETHING OR COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

NO, I, THERE THERE'S TO, TO CLARIFY WHAT I, THERE'S A SUBTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, BEING ACTUALLY, UM, CONFIDENT THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN OB OBTAINED IS WE HAVE VIEW TO IT.

WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

AND WHAT I KNOW, AND THAT WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUTED, WOULD, WOULD BE NOT NECESSARY IF WE WERE HAVING ACCESS DIRECTLY ACCESS TO THEIR SHARE THE DATABASE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

WE ARE SEEING THE THING, BUT WHAT'S RIGHT NOW IMPLEMENTED IS, UM, A-A-A-A-A COPY OF IT FIRST.

AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS A, THE CHANCE THAT WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING AND THAT'S WHY I'M JUST WANTING TO BE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE.

SO THERE'S NO, NO, NO, UH, MISUNDERSTANDING.

AND IF WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOMEHOW THERE'S A WAY OR A NEED TO, TO, UH, ABSOLUTELY BE SURE AND CONFIDENT, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT WAS COLLECTED, WE HAVE ACCESS TO.

I STILL NEED TO KNOW IF WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW NOT EVENTUALLY, UH, VERIFY THAT.

THREE, STAFF BRIEFING REGARDING THE EXECUTIVE LIAISON MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT DIRECTOR.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER

[3. Staff briefing regarding the Executive Liaison monthly update from Austin Police Oversight Director Gail McCant]

UM, GAIL MCCANN, DIRECTOR, UH, AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT.

I WANTED TO NOTE THAT NEIL FAGUS, OUR ATTORNEY, WILL, UH, NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING TODAY.

UH, NEIL HAD SOME OTHER CITY, UM, BUSINESS THAT TOOK PRIORITY, BUT HE DOES SEND HIS APOLOGIES AND NOTES THAT HE WILL ADDRESS ANY OUTSTANDING, UH, REQUESTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PENDING.

SO I WANNA START WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL UPDATES.

HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE SITE, THE, THE SHAREPOINT? YEAH.

THE DASHBOARD IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC FACING DATA-DRIVEN TOOL THAT PROVIDES INFORMATION ABOUT INCIDENTS WHICH, UH, AN OFFICER DISCHARGED HIS FIREARM.

UM, SO, UH, IN TERMS OF COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE CONTINUING TO ONBOARD DO THE ONBOARDING PROCESS FOR OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS.

UH, UH, AT THIS STAGE WE ARE, THEY'RE ALL IN VARIOUS STAGES, UH, AND WE'RE WORKING TO COORDINATE WITH EACH OF THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE FULLY, UH, ONBOARDED.

SOME COMMISSIONERS ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH COMPLETING THEIR STATE REQUIRED BACKGROUND CHECKS.

AND SO WE'LL KEEP THE CHAIR AND THE CO-CHAIR UPDATED ON THE PROGRESS RELATED TO THAT.

AS NOTED IN I ARE IN THE MEETING ON LAST MONTH, THE POLICY AND RESEARCH DIVISION FILLED ONE OF ITS TWO POLICY ANALYSTS VACANCIES.

THE NEW HIRE STARTED ON THE 29TH.

THE POLICY MANAGER IS WORKING TO BEGIN THE RECRUITMENT AND PROCESS FOR THE SECOND POSITION BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND MARCH.

THE COMPLAINTS DIVISION, UH, HAS POSTED ITS FULL-TIME COMPLAINTS SPECIALIST POSITION AND PLANS TO CONDUCT INTERVIEWS IN THE COMING WEEKS AND HOPEFULLY GET THAT POSITION FILLED IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO AS WELL.

JUST FOLLOWING UP ON SOME ACTION ITEMS AND REQUESTS FROM THE LAST MEETING, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A REQUEST FOR AN INVITE TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND JUST WANTING TO KNOW FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO FACILITATE THAT REQUEST TO THE COMMISSIONER.

I THINK TO THE CHIEF, I THINK IT'S HAPPENING IN, YOU'RE REQUESTING AN APRIL, UH,

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INVITE FOR APRIL.

AND SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW DO YOU WANT US TO NAVIGATE THAT.

UM, THE DRAFT CPRC REPORT, AND THESE ARE JUST REMINDERS TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND FOLLOW UPS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.

AND THEN THE ESTABLISHMENTS OF THE 2026 CALENDAR.

WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS GROUP.

SO A PO AND A PD HAD THEIR MONTHLY LEADERSHIP MEETING AND DURING THIS MEETING, A PD REPORTED ON THEIR RETIREMENTS AND TRANSFERS OF A PD COMMANDERS PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS WILL BE GETTING A NEW ASSISTANT CHIEF IN THE UPCOMING WEEKS.

THAT WILL BE AC ROGERS.

AND COMMANDER BERGSON'S ALSO REPORTED THAT A PD IS STILL REVIEWING OUR ANNUAL REPORT AND THE CHIEF HAS 90 DAYS TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE RELATED TO THE ANNUAL REPORT.

THE REPORT WAS, AS YOU KNOW, WAS PRESENTED TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 9TH.

IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THE, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAMS, OUR WEBSITE, UH, WE CONTINUE TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PUBLISHING, UH, DISCIPLINARY RECOMMENDATIONS AND COMPLAINTS TO OUR WEBSITE.

COMPLAINT DATED THROUGH SEPTEMBER, 2025 IS NOW LIVE ON THE WEBSITE, AND THE TEAM IS WORKING TO PUBLISH THE COMPLAINTS FOR THE LAST QUARTER OF 2025 BEFORE JANUARY 31ST.

IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE ARE WORKING ON A BIG PROJECTS OUR KNOW YOUR RIGHTS PROJECTS.

A PO IS CURRENTLY COLLECTING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON EXISTING KNOW YOUR RIGHTS PROGRAMMING.

WITH THE GOAL OF RELAUNCHING THAT PROGRAM THIS YEAR, UH, WE ARE INVITING COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN A SURVEY AND WE HAVE SOME FOCUS GROUPS THAT WE ARE DOING THIS MONTH AS WELL.

WE HAVE THREE FOCUS GROUPS.

ONE OF THOSE HAPPENED VIRTUALLY TODAY AT NOON.

THERE WILL BE A SECOND FOCUS GROUP ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 22ND AT 6:00 PM AT OUR OFFICE AT THE A PO OFFICE.

AND SATURDAY, JANUARY 24TH AT 10:00 AM UH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER IN-PERSON FOCUS GROUPS AT MONIS RECREATION AND COMMUNITY CENTER.

UM, THE SUPPORT OUT, UH, TO SUPPORT THE OUTREACH, A PO IS RUNNING, UH, SMALL TARGETING ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN AND COORDINATING PRESS, UH, OUTREACH.

THE A PO WILL ALSO CONDUCT A RESOLUTION 99 WORK GROUP MEETINGS.

THE DATES FOR THOSE ARE SCHEDULED FOR THE YEAR.

UM, QUARTER ONE WILL OCCUR ON THURSDAY, MARCH 5TH, AT FROM SIX, UM, PM TO 8:00 PM AT THE YARBOROUGH PUBLIC LIBRARY.

UM, WE HAVE SOME PENDING DATES JUNE 6TH, SEPTEMBER 2ND, AND DECEMBER 2ND.

BUT WE DO NOT HAVE TIMES AND LOCATIONS FOR THOSE MEETINGS AS OF YET.

JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF SOME OF THE PRESS AND ADVERTISEMENT.

WE'VE DONE THIS THIS WEEK.

UH, THIS MONTH A PO IS IN COLLABORATION, UH, WITH THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION CENTER.

WE ANNOUNCED AND LAUNCHED OUR MEDIATION PROGRAM.

UH, A JOINT PRESS RELEASE WENT OUT ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 9TH RELATED TO THAT PROGRAM.

WE ALSO RESPONDED TO MEDIA REQUESTS THIS WEEK FROM KUT AND KVU REGARDING THE MEDIATION PROGRAM.

A PO ACTUALLY CONDUCTING AN INTERVIEW WITH KUT REGARDING THE MEDIATION PROGRAM ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 13.

AND THAT STORY RAN ON WEDNESDAY IN TERMS OF MEDIA RELATED TO THE KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, UM, TO, TO PROMOTE THE KNOW YOUR RIGHTS FOCUS GROUP.

A PO IS RUNNING A LIMITED NUMBER OF DISCOUNTED ADVERTISEMENTS ON THE AUSTIN CHRONICLE WEBSITE AND HAS REQUESTED IN KIND PROMOTION PLACEMENT IN COMMUNITY CALENDARS AND OTHER LISTENING LISTINGS.

UH, PRESS RELEASE RELATED TO THE KNOW YOUR RIGHTS CAMPAIGN WAS PUBLISHED ON JANUARY 8TH TO PROMOTE ENROLLMENT AND INCREASE AWARENESS OF THIS ENGAGEMENT EFFORT.

A PA ALS A PO STAFF ALSO DID AN INTERVIEW WITH KVU REGARDING THE KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, UH, CAMPAIGN ON YESTERDAY.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT STORY RAN THIS MORNING OR IF IT WILL RUN ON MONDAY IN TERMS OF POLICY.

JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME POLICY HIGHLIGHTS.

THE POLICY TEAM IS WORKING TO LAUNCH THE A PO FIRST EVER OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING DASHBOARD.

WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC, UM, LAUNCH DATE RELATED TO THAT, BUT WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED.

UM, ONCE WE GET CLOSER TO A DATE THAT WE'RE GONNA LAUNCH THAT DASHBOARD.

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UM, UH, CRITICAL INCIDENTS AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2026, WE HAVE COM.

UH, A PD HAS COMPLETED A REWRITE AND UPDATE US OF ITS, UH, USE OF FORCE POLICIES.

AND SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.

KEVIN MASTER SERVED ON THE USE OF FORCE TASK FORCE AS POLICIES WERE PRO, UM, REVISED AND UPDATED.

I WANTED TO PROVIDE A SAVE THE DATE FOR COMMISSIONERS, UM, THE NATE COLE, WHICH IS THE, UM, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THEY WILL HAVE A CONFERENCE ON NOVEMBER 8TH.

I KNOW IT'S EARLY, BUT I WANTED TO PUT THIS ON YOUR RADAR.

UH, NOVEMBER 8TH THROUGH THE 12TH, IF YOU HAVE AVAILABILITY AND CAN ATTEND THAT CONFERENCE ON NA COLE HOLD THIS CONFERENCE EVERY YEAR ON THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT.

WE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS ORGANIZATION.

IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1995 TO SUPPORT CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT ENTITIES AS THEY FOSTER GREATER TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIVENESS TO COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.

UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ANNUALLY, NOT ONLY DO THEY DO OVERSIGHT, THEY PROVIDE TRAINING, UH, REGARDING JAILS AND PRISONS AS AS WELL.

AND SO THERE IS FUNDING OF AVAILABLE FOR COMMISSIONERS IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THIS CONFERENCE WILL HAPPEN IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY.

I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THAT IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY ON NOVEMBER 8TH THROUGH THE 12TH OF THIS YEAR.

THAT ENDS MY REPORT DIRECTOR AGAIN.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS, UM, WILL WE GET ANY KIND OF A NOTICE SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT ON OUR CALENDAR WITH THOSE EVENTS? ABSOLUTELY.

AS WELL AS WE WILL HELP HAVE THE COMMUNITY, UM, MANAGER, UM, PROVIDE FOR YOU LINKS IN TERMS OF HOW YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR OUR NEWSLETTERS AND THOSE THINGS.

SO YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY GETTING THOSE NOTICES WHEN THEY HAPPEN.

BUT YES, WE'LL GET ALL OF THOSE DATES ON YOUR CALENDARS.

I I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, I GUESS RELATED, UM, IS THERE A PLACE WHERE, WHERE THE, IF YOU WERE TO, TO TRY TO TELL A CITIZEN, WHICH A GOOD PLACE TO GO TO FIND OUT EVERYTHING THAT OPIOID IS DOING, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU, I I, I AM INTERESTED, I, I LIKE TO GO TO SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT I, I KEEP MISSING SOME OF THESE EVENTS.

I KNOW I'M, I KNOW FURTHER KNOW YOUR RIGHTS CAMPAIGN.

WE ARE DOING MUCH OF THE OUTREACH.

YOU CAN GO TO SPEAK UP AUSTIN AND FIND MOST OF THE DATES THERE.

YOU CAN ALSO FIND A SURVEY THERE WHERE YOU CAN TAKE THE SURVEY.

UM, BUT WE WILL ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE ALL THOSE DATES ON YOUR WEBSITE AND ALSO HELP YOU NAVIGATE HOW TO GET SIGNED UP FOR OUR NEWSLETTER.

THAT'S, THAT WAY YOU'LL GET INFORMATION ANYTIME WE'RE HAVING ANY KIND OF OUTREACH BINS.

BUT, BUT ALL OF THIS IS AN A PO WEBSITE.

IF I WENT THERE, I COULD, YOU KNOW, MY BOOTSTRAP MYSELF BY LOOKING THE ACTUALS.

IS THAT WHERE IT'S, UH, NO, YOUR RIGHTS INFORMATION IS, YOU CAN FIND IT ON SPEAK UP AUSTIN.

UM, SPEAK UP AUSTIN.

I, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT IT'S ON THE WEBSITE.

I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE AND SARAH'S NOT HERE TO LET ME KNOW IF IT'S THERE OR NOT.

UM, IT'S PROBABLY THERE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU MISINFORMATION.

BUT SPEAK UP AUSTIN IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND INFORMATION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM.

UH, AGAIN, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF MEDIA OUTREACH TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND SO WE'LL ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE THESE ITEMS ON YOUR CALENDAR SO YOU WILL BE AWARE MOVING FORWARD.

FOR US TO HAVE ACCESS TO LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THOSE QUESTIONS? THE, UM, WHEN I SPOKE WITH N NEIL EARLIER TODAY, HE DID NOT PROVIDE, PROVIDE FOR ME A DATE IN TERMS OF HE IS AWARE AND KNOWS THAT HE, THERE IS A REQUEST IN THAT HE, THERE IS A RESPONSE PENDING.

YEAH, IT'S, I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BUT I, I AM GENUINELY INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS YOU'RE DOING AND I SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY, BUT I KEEP YES, SIR.

MISSING THEM.

SO I WANTED TO TRY TO SEE IF I COULD SOLVE THAT.

THANKS.

YES, SIR.

WE'LL ASSIST YOU WITH THAT.

NOW, I DID WANNA GO BACK A LITTLE BIT TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, THE OUTSTANDING REQUEST WE'VE HAD SINCE DECEMBER 22ND.

SO IT IS ONGOING, UH, 25 DAYS WITHOUT US HAVING ACCESS OR RESPONSE TO THESE QUESTIONS, UM, THAT WE'VE, UH, THE CHAIR HAS SENT OUT.

UM, AND I KNOW THINGS HAPPEN.

I KNOW WE'RE STILL KIND OF WAITING TO HEAR BACK.

SO IS IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE COMMUNICATE, THERE'S, THERE'S A NEW DATE FOR RESPONSES.

WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY RESPONSES SINCE OUR LAST REQUEST OF DECEMBER 22ND.

SO IS THERE A NEW TIMELINE

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AND SO HE'S JUST NOTED THAT HE'LL GET TO THAT RESPONSE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I THINK HE NOTED FOR THE CHAIR THAT HE HAS BEEN ACTING AS THE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS BEEN OUT ON A PERSONAL MATTER.

UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS NOW BACK, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UM, LEGAL ISSUES THAT TOOK PRIORITY TODAY AND THAT WAS THE REASON WHY HE COULD NOT BE THERE.

AND HE, HE DEEPLY SENDS HIS APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING HERE, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE A DATE WHEN YOU CAN EXPECT TO GET A RESPONSE FROM, FROM NEIL.

I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP, UM, NEXT WEEK, UM, WITH, WITH THE CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR.

THANK YOU'RE THERE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS? YES, I DO HAVE A COMMENT.

UM, ACTUALLY I HAVE TWO, UH, REGARDING LEGAL, JUST AS HE BACKFILLS OTHER POSITIONS, CAN HE COULD, IS IT POSSIBLE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE HIM AT THE SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE? IF HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, COULD SOMEONE ALSO BACKFILL HIM? UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LOOK INTO.

OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF, BUT JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT OUT.

ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT AND SAY THAT YOU GUYS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB ON YOUR, UH, BROADCASTING AND ADVERTISING ABOUT YOUR INITIATIVES BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT 'EM.

I WAS LIKE, MAN, I WISH I'D FOUND OUT THROUGH OUR OWN ORGANIZATION, BUT, UH, NO, I, UH, WAS ON FACEBOOK AND I SAW YOU GUYS, I WAS ON NEWS BREAK AND I SAW YOU GUYS AND I'M LIKE, OH, THEY'RE DOING ALL THIS STUFF AND IT MAKES ME EXCITED THAT YOU'RE DOING IT, BUT IT ALSO MAKES ME LIKE JEALOUS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE COULD, UH, CO-LOCATE WITH YOU ALL AND WE COULD BE WHERE YOU GUYS ARE.

'CAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A BUDGET AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND JUST MAKE IT, UM, AN EVEN BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK FOR THE COMMUNITY IF WE WERE IN SYNC WITH YOUR CALENDAR.

NOT LIKE WE'RE BEING COPYCATS, BUT IF LIKE IT'S WORKING, THEN WHY NOT UNTIL WE, UM, START DOING OUR OWN EVENT.

SO, YEAH, UM, IF WE CAN GET MORE TRANSPARENCY AND FORECASTING, THEN IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD, UH, SYNC AND, UM, DO THE SAME TYPE OF EVENTS AT THE SAME TIME, UM, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

BUT YOU GUYS ARE, YOU GOT SOME REACH BECAUSE EVERYWHERE I WAS GOING I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I'M TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT A PO RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S A GOOD THING WHEN IT USED TO BE LIKE, I NEVER HEAR ABOUT A PO.

SO I, I DO CONGRATULATE YOU GUYS ON THAT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FLOOD.

AND WE WILL DEFINITELY DO A, A BETTER JOB AT MAKING YOU AWARE OF THESE EVENTS PRIOR TO THEM HAPPENING AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO THAT AS WELL.

UM, ESPECIALLY THE COMMUNITY THAT I LIVE IN, WE REALLY BENEFIT FROM THESE PROGRAMS AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING A FANTASTIC JOB WITH ADVERTISING.

UM, PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY ARE AWARE OF IT IN REGARDS TO THE NAC HOLE THING.

I WOULD LOVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

SO IF YOU WANNA MEET UP AFTER AND LET ME KNOW WHAT I CAN DO TO DO THAT, UM, I'M HAPPY THAT YOU OFFERED THAT.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

COMMISSIONER K KENYA.

UH, AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE DATE, UM, RYAN WILL WORK WITH ALL THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO, UH, WANT TO ATTEND THAT EVENT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS SET UP FOR YOU, HOTEL FLIGHTS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO HE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH YOU, UM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THE EVENT IS SCHEDULED TO, TO GO ON.

AND ONE OTHER QUESTION REGARDING, UH, IS IT NAPA, UM, IS THAT THE SAME ORGANIZATION THAT GAVE US SOME TRAINING WHEN WE WERE INITIALLY ONBOARDING? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.

THEY CALLED.

IN OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION OF THE CASE REVIEW WORKING GROUP LED BY COMMISSIONER FLOOD AND MYSELF, FRANCO, INCLUDING PROGRESS TO DATE AND INITIAL OBSERVATIONS OR INSIGHTS.

YES, YES.

AND JUST TO REMIND THE COMMISSION, WE DO HAVE A BUDGET FOR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND TRAINING.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT, UH, DIRECTOR MCAD HAD MENTIONED BEFORE WOULD REALLY THINGS WE WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM ATTENDING ONE OF THESE TRAININGS.

SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL MAKE AN EFFORT TO PUT IN OUR CALENDAR AND, UH, FOLLOW THROUGH AND GO TO THIS, THIS TRAINING.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ACTION ITEM, OR, I'M SORRY, DISCUSSION ITEM

[4. Discussion of the Case Review Working Group (Commissioners Flood and Cortez-Franco), including progress to date and initial observations or insights. ]

COMMISSIONER FLOOD, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ANYTHING ON, ON THAT.

UH, NO.

I WILL SAY AFTER THE HOLIDAYS, UM, WE HAVE, UH, LOST A LITTLE TRACTION, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING A LOT OF INFORMATION.

UH, MR. MASTERS HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD

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IN GIVING US THE MOST UPDATED INFORMATION AND, UH, I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ALONGSIDE, UM, COMMISSIONER PENA AND WE'RE REALLY BEING PROACTIVE IN DOING THIS.

AND, UH, I HOPE THAT WE CAN SEE SOME GOOD RESULTS IN THE BACK END NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING ACCESS TO RECORDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO USE YOUR INDIVIDUAL TEAMS TO REALLY, UM, EVALUATE THESE CASES AND START GETTING THE PROCESS MOVING.

I WILL LET ALSO ADD THAT, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR MASTERS AND, UH, A PO HAS BEEN AMAZING AT FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THESE CASES, LETTING US KNOW WHAT CASES ARE OF IMMEDIATE, UH, REVIEW JUST ON THE TIMELINES THAT THEY HAVE.

THIS IS A KIND OF DAY TO DAY BASIS WHERE THEY GET A NEW TIMELINE, IT'S GOING, IT'S PROCEEDING, THEY LET US KNOW.

SO THEY'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY GREAT ABOUT THAT.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FOLLOW THROUGH AND WORKING WITH US AS, AGAIN, THE FIRST CASES GO THROUGH COMMISSIONER, UH, FLOOD AND MYSELF, WE TRIAGE AND THEN WE KINDA SORT IT OUT WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO FIGURE OUT WORKING GROUP A, B, AND C FOR REVIEW.

THAT'S THE PROCESS WHERE WE'RE RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THIS ITEM, WHERE WE ARE IN PROGRESS AS FAR AS THE CASES THAT WE'RE INITIALLY REVIEWING TO TRIAGE, TO LATER ON TO DIFFERENT REVIEW GROUPS.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSSION OF COMMISSIONER.

MOVING ON TO

[5. Discussion of Commissioner Review Working Groups A, B, and C’s experience reviewing a case file, including initial observations, ease or difficulty accessing the case files, and suggestions on how to discuss, deliberate, present to the full CPRC, and summarize recommendations. ]

REVIEW WORKING GROUPS, SAY B AND C'S EXPERIENCE REVIEWING A CASE FILE, INCLUDING THOSE INITIAL OBSERVATIONS, EASE OR DIFFICULTY ACCESSING THE CASE FILES AND SUGGESTIONS.

I HAD TO DISCUSS DELIBERATE PRESENT TO THE FULL CPRC AND SUMMARIZE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE I OPEN THE FLOOR.

I WANNA REMIND COMMISSIONERS OF CONFIDENTIALITY REGARDING THESE CASES TO NOT, UH, MENTION ANYTHING THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL.

WE WENT THROUGH TRAINING, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT IN MAINTAINING THAT CONFIDENTIALITY.

FOR THOSE OF US ONLINE, PLEASE ENSURE YOUR VIDEO IS ALWAYS ON.

UH, THAT IS HOW WE TAKE YOUR ATTENDANCE.

AND NOW I OPEN THE FLOOR IF ANYBODY FROM WORKING GROUPS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO REVIEW A, B OR C WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK UP.

I THE FLOOR IS OPEN.

UM, MAD CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO, UH, FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT CONFIDENTIALITY AND HOW THE DISCUSSION FLOW WILL FLOW.

SO I'M ASSUMING THERE'S, THERE WILL BE A POINT WE WOULD GO INTO, AND THIS MAY BE A MORE APPROPRIATE QUESTION FOR THE STAFF, A POINT THAT WE'LL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO HAVE A MORE FULLER CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CASES THAT WE REVIEW, WHERE WE CAN MENTION NAMES, MENTION INCIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IS THAT, IS THAT, HOW, IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? THAT IS CORRECT.

AS YOU REQUEST BRIEFINGS, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO INTO THOSE CLOSED SESSIONS WITH OURSELVES, THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND IF THERE IS A REQUEST FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO BE THERE AS WELL.

SO TO, SO TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE ASSIGNED A CASE, UM, AND WE WANNA DISCUSS THAT.

WE, WE'D SAY, WELL, WE WANNA, WE WANNA HAVE YOU BRIEF US ON IT, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE COULD DISCUSS IT IN CLOSED SESSION.

THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.

PERSONAL DISCUSSION, UM, IS, IS, IS NOT AN AN OPTION.

AND I JUST WANNA, UH, THIS, UH, GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER GREENS, CAN I, COMMISSIONER GINA, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THOUGH THAT THE WORKING GROUPS WILL GO AND ARRANGE THEIR OWN SUB-MEETINGS AND THEN DISCUSS WITH ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, IN DETAILS EVERYTHING AND COME TO SOME MAYBE PRELIMINARY AGREEMENT AND HOW THEY THINK THAT SHOULD BE RULED.

AND THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WORKING GROUP MAY SERVE ALMOST LIKE AS AN ADVOCATE TO THAT, THAT CASE AND COME AND PRESENT TO THE BIGGER GROUP, UH, A SUMMARY OF WHAT HAPPENED, WHERE WE SAW WHAT YOU SAW, THINGS THAT YOU THOUGHT WERE MISSING, ET CETERA.

AND SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I BELIEVE PERSONALLY IS NOT WORKING WELL YET IS THE INTERGROUP WORKING GROUP, UM, ACTIVITY THAT'S THERE WHERE WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO TO THAT POINT, UM, WHEN WE DO THAT.

UM, AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER COMMISSIONER GREAVES OR SOMEONE FROM THE A PO, BUT, UM, THOSE TYPE OF DELIBERATE CONVERSATIONS WHEN THEY'RE PRESENTING JUST TO OUR COMMISSION, IS IT MANDATORY THAT, UM, OTHER ENTITIES ARE THERE OR CAN WE HAVE THAT TIME SET ASIDE, UM, CLOSED SESSION JUST FOR OUR OWN INTERNAL DELIBERATIONS? THOSE CLOSED SESSIONS ARE DESIGNED FOR, UH, FOR LEGAL QUESTIONS AND LEGAL DISCUSSIONS.

AND SO YOUR ABILITY TO GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION, JUST FOR YOUR OWN

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UM, SO THOSE CLOSED SESSIONS ARE TO DISCUSS, UH, LEGAL MATTERS RELATED TO THE, THE ACTUAL CASE, RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE INTENTIONALLY DELIBERATE ON A CASE IF WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS OUTSIDE OF A CLOSED SESSION? UM, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE WOULD ALMOST BE VIOLATING TOMA IF WE JUST DECIDED TO, HEY, LET'S MEET UP AT THE CHEESECAKE FACTORY AND DISCUSS THIS CASE.

AND SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS A DELIBERATE BODY, THEN HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO OUR DELIBERATIONS? I, I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO THE CHAIR.

IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING IN TERMS OF THE WORKFLOW THAT THE WORKING GROUP WILL BRING A DISCUSSION MINUS ANY CONFIDENTIALITY BACK TO THE FULL GROUP, UH, AT SOME POINT AND THAT DISCUSSION CAN HAPPEN PUBLICLY? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

CHAIR GREAVES, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF THAT IS INCORRECT.

UH, SORRY, I, I I WAS DISCONNECTED FOR A LITTLE BIT.

COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THE LAST PART OF DEFERRING TO THE CHAIR? COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT? IN, IN TURN, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONERS FLOOD QUESTION WAS REGARDING HOW DO YOU DELIBERATE AS A GROUP IF ONLY THE WORKING GROUPS ARE HAVING THOSE CON CONVERSATIONS.

I MEAN, THE ENTIRE GROUP HAS THE ABILITY TO ATTEND THOSE CLOSED SESSIONS, BUT I THINK AS A GROUP YOU'VE SET UP A WORKFLOW AND A PROCESS IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WILL, UH, REVIEW CASES.

AND SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, FOR, FOR THE ATTORNEY WAS, IS PRECISELY ALONG THOSE, THOSE LINES, UH, COMMISSIONER FLOOD, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THE TOMA AND THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE PRIVACY ISSUE.

UH, AND I TO BE, I CONFESS I NOT ALERT LAWYERS, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT I, THAT'S SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASK, ASK HIM MORE ALONG TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN SET UP A FLOW.

BECAUSE ALSO THERE'S A PRACTICALITY IN OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WHEN WE SAY THE COMMISSION VOTED ON SOMETHING, DOES THAT MEAN EVERY COMMISSIONER SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT EVERY CASE BEFORE IT VOTED? OR IS IT SUFFICIENT TO SAY THE SUBGROUPS RECOMMENDATION? UH, THE REST OF US JUST SAY WE GO ALONG WITH SUBGROUPS OF POSITION THAT'S SUFFICIENT AND THAT BALANCE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, MAKING SURE THERE'S NO, THAT LEGALLY WE ARE, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE FOLLOWING IN THAT.

SO THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOU AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE BEST FLOW AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS GET STARTED, BUT JUST ACT CAREFULLY SO WE DON'T MAKE ANY VIOLATIONS IN THE PROCESS.

BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO IT TO FIND OUT THE LITTLE PROBLEMS LIKE WHAT YOU AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER FRANCO ARE FINDING OUT ABOUT THE, THE TRIAD ENGINE , YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY HAVE TO DO IT.

THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT TO FIND OUT IS TO DO IT.

SO YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR GUARDRAILS AS FAR AS, UM, PROCEDURE, LIKE, SO IF WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA THAT WORKING GROUP A IS READY TO PRESENT OUT CASES A THROUGH H AT THAT TIME, THEY PRESENT THEM OUT IN THE PUBLIC FORUM WHILE WITHHOLDING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WE AS A DELIBERATE BODY SAY WE WANT TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF WORKING GROUP A ON CASE A B, WE DON'T ADOPT IT ON KC IN THAT ORDER.

UM, ITERATIVELY AS WE GO THROUGH THOSE CASE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT THE OUT THE OUTCOME OR OUTPUT IS, UM, AND HOW THAT HAPPENS.

YES, THE COMMISSIONER FLOOD, I THINK UNDERSTOOD.

UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, UH, CHAIR GREAVES HAS POSED TO THE ATTORNEY AND IS WAITING ON, ON SOME RESPONSES.

YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANNA DO IT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.

YES, EXACTLY.

EXACTLY.

AND I JUST HAVE A, I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION AS IN REGARDS TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY.

SO, UM, MY WORKING GROUP A, WE ARE PREPARED TO PRESENT ONE OF OUR FIRST CASES.

ARE YOU GUYS, UM, ARE WE ABLE TO SAY THE CASE NUMBER AND THE OFFICER INVOLVED? OR ARE WE WITHHOLDING THE CASE NUMBER AND THE OFFICER INVOLVED, OR ONE OR THE OTHER? NOW, REALLY QUICKLY, I DO WANNA CLARIFY THAT, UH, ALL THREE COMMISSIONERS HAVE COME TO A CONSENSUS REGARDING THE CASE.

BUT OUR WORKFLOW FOR THE CRC WORKING GROUPS.

SO IN, UM, OUR GROUP, ACTUALLY THERE'S ONLY TWO OF US.

IT'S ME AND, UH, COMMISSIONER PETERMAN BECAUSE OUR OTHER COMMISSIONER DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO HIS EMAIL.

SO BETWEEN THE TWO OF US, WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO A CONSENSUS ON THE ASSIGNMENT.

GOT IT.

SO ACCORDING TO OUR, OR NOT NECESSARILY WIRELESS,

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SO WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE COMMISSIONERS FULLY REVIEW THE CASE, COME TO A CONSENSUS.

AND SO THAT IS THE, THE, THE, THE LIMITS, RIGHT? THE, THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF, IT'S NOT JUST TWO, IT'S ALL THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT MAKE THAT CONSENSUS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST TWO THAT ARE IN AGREEMENT, SO THAT IF IT'S TWO VERSUS ONE, THEN IF NOT EVERYONE'S TOGETHER, THEN THE RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE LET'S HAVE ANOTHER WORKING GROUP LOOK AT THAT CASE.

SO FOR NOW, EVEN THOUGH I APPRECIATE THAT TWO COMMISSIONERS HAVE FULLY REVIEWED THIS, THEY'RE READY FOR RECOMMENDATION.

UH, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE POSTED FOR OUR WORKING GROUPS IN OUR, UH, MEETINGS LAST YEAR, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF THREE COMMISSIONERS FULLY REVIEW SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED FOR RECOMMENDATION TO MAINTAIN THOSE CHECKS AND BALANCES.

THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND PRESENT IT TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.

SAY, OKAY, NOW THREE OF US HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION.

YOU GIVE US A SUMMARY OF THIS IS WHY, UH, YOU KNOW, AMID SOME OF THOSE CONFIDENTIALITY ITEMS AND THEN PUT TO A VOTE FOR THE REST OF US.

SO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'VE PASSED IN THE PAST AND HOW IT'S IT'S GONNA BE MOVING ALONG THE PROCESS.

UM, SO AS FOR NOW, SINCE THERE'S ONLY BEEN TWO, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS BECAUSE WE STILL DO TRULY NEED THE THIRD PERSON TO REVIEW IT.

AND THAT MEANS WE MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, AND THIS IS JUST THE, THE, THE HIGHS AND LOWS OF HAVING COMMISSIONERS OF VOLUNTEER TIME AND WE'RE ALL PUTTING IN THE EFFORT TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE CASES FULLY.

AND, UM, I APPRECIATE, I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT HOW LONG IT TOOK TO REVIEW THESE CASES, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

UH, BUT UNTIL THEN, COULD, COULD, COULD THEY PRESENT IT FOR INFORMATION ONLY, NOT AS THE OFFICIAL REPORT OF THE, UM, OF THEIR WORKING GROUP, BUT AS AN UPDATE, THE, THE UPDATE WOULD BE THEY'RE STILL MISSING A THIRD COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? SO BECAUSE OF THE WORKFLOW IS THREE COMMISSIONER MEMBERS WILL REVIEW A CASE.

ONCE THEY COME TO A CONSENSUS, THEY'RE ABLE TO PRESENT TO THE REST OF US.

UM, SO IF WE START PUTTING, SAYING, OH, WELL JUST TWO CAN PRESENT OR WELL, MAYBE JUST ONE, WELL, MAYBE JUST THIS, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO STICK TO THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU CAN LOOK BACK AT IT INTO OUR AGENDA MINI MEETINGS AND THE CPRC WORKING GROUP FOR REVIEWING THE CASES.

WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE WITH A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD.

UH, COMMISSIONER FFL, UH, I'LL BE REALLY QUICK.

COMMISSIONER GRES, UM, IN THAT CASE, AND MAYBE THIS IS A WHOLE DISCUSSION AND VOTE OR WHATEVER, UM, I WILL SUGGEST THAT SINCE YOU AND I ARE REALLY JUST TRIAGING RIGHT NOW, IF THEY NEED A THIRD PERSON BECAUSE OF ACCESS ISSUES OR ANYTHING AND THEY'RE REALLY READY, I WILL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE TO REVIEW THAT CASE AND, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

BECAUSE I COULD SEE HOW IF THIS PERSON CAN'T GET ACCESS TO THEIR SYSTEM, THEN IT WOULD BE DELAYING, UM, THEIR PROGRESS.

AND I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, AND IF IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THE DISCUSSION, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A FAIL SAFE SO THAT IT PROGRESS DOESN'T GET DELAYED BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING ON ONE PERSON.

I, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF SINGLE POINTS OF FAILURE AND COMMISSIONER, I JUST LIKE ANSWER.

I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THE ITEM WILL NEED TO BE ON THE AGENDA.

UH, AND CURRENTLY IT, IT IS NOT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.

THE, THE, UH, THE AGENDA AND THE AGENDA THOUGH APPROPRIATELY IS WHAT IT WAS TO FIND CATCH UP.

ALL OF US WANNA CATCH UP IS WHAT'S THE STATUS OF WHERE THE WORKING GROUP A, B, AND C.

NOW, UH, COMMISSIONER PENA HAS GIVEN US A STATUS UPDATE OF WHERE, UH, HER WORKING GROUP IS.

TWO PEOPLE HAVE REVIEWED GOOD.

WE STILL HAVE TO DO THAT FOR B AND C.

SO, AND THEN SHE, AND SHE WOULD'VE NOT, NOT KNOWN THAT.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS ONE IS JUST TO GIVE US THAT UPDATE.

SO I WOULD GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON COMMISSIONER AND UH, AND WORKING GROUP C SINCE I AM ON THAT ONE.

THE OTHER TWO COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT, UH, THAT ON THERE ARE NOT, UM, UM, DO NOT HAVE ACCESS E THE SET.

I THINK ONE OF THEM IS NOT COMPLETED.

THE CVI WAS STILL ACTUALLY TRYING TO, UH, I DECIDED BECAUSE I WAS THE, PERHAPS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT REVIEWED MOST OF THE CASES THAT I WOULD THE COM, THAT WORKING GROUP C WOULD BE COMPOSED OF THE TWO NEW, NEW COMMISSIONERS AND I WOULD BE ABLE TO GUIDE THEM, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY, SO I'VE REVIEWED THE CASE IN, IN DETAIL AND I'M, YOU KNOW, SAY READY TO TO, BUT I HAVE TO HELP COMMISSIONER FELTMAN, THE COMMISSIONER, GET UP TO SPEED AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE TOO.

AND THEN I GUESS, UM, I COULD SPEAK FOR, I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT FOR, I'M HAVING SOME TROUBLES HERE.

ONE SECOND HAPPENED HERE.

YEAH, SORRY.

DIFFICULTIES HERE WITH THE EQUIPMENT, UM, ON THE, THE WORST WORKING GROUP, A LITTLE HISTORY THERE.

WHEN I FIRST WORKING GROUP WAS ORIGINALLY STARTED, IT WAS COMMISSIONER RUSSELL, COMMISSIONER EUGENE, UH, COMMISSIONER HARRIS AND MYSELF, UH, WAS THAT, WAS, WAS THERE, SO, UM, IN THAT COMMISSIONER

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I KNOW THAT, UH, WE, WHAT WE'VE HAD DIFFICULTY IS, I KNOW, UH, SEVERAL OF US HAVE ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN THE DOCUMENT, HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, NOT SORRY, HAVE READ THE DOCUMENT, COME UP TO OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL CONSENSUS, BUT WHAT'S LACKING THERE IS TO, FOR THE, THE, THE, THE SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND DISCUSS IT.

I KNOW COMMISSIONER, UH, RUSSELL HAS, UH, UH, LOOKED AT IT.

COMMISSIONER HARRIS HAS LOOKED AT IT TOO.

HE ACTUALLY HAD A NICE LITTLE WRITEUP.

I DID A LITTLE WRITEUP TOO, AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE COMMISSIONER EUGENE HAS GOTTEN YET THOUGH.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT SUBGROUP HAS NOT, I DON'T, THEY HAVE NO, THEY HAVE NOT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MET YET TO DEFINE THE, THE TWO TO ONE OR TWO TO THREE OR WHATEVER.

AND THAT WOULD BE A, A BRIEF UPDATE OF WORDS.

SO WHEN I SAID EARLIER THAT WHAT I BELIEVE MY OPINION WHERE WE'RE FAILING RIGHT NOW IS GETTING THE, THE, THE WORKING GROUPS TO TALK TO EACH OTHER AND DO THAT.

THAT'S A FIRST STEP BEFORE EVEN THE FIRST, THE SECOND DELIBERATION.

AND THEN ONE MORE THING I'D ADD SINCE I HAVE THE FLOOR WILL BE TO, AND I THINK GOES ALONG YOUR COMMISSIONER FLOOD'S QUESTION IS, EVEN AFTER, SAY ALL GROUPS HAD THEIR DECISION AND THEY KNEW TWO TO ONE, THREE TO ONE, AND EACH TEAM WERE GETTING GET READY TO GET TOGETHER, ONE THING THAT I WAS MADE AWARE OF, AND I DID NOT KNOW SOONER, WAS THAT THERE IS A LIMIT TO HOW MANY CLOSED SESSIONS WE CAN HAVE PER YEAR OR PER QUARTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER LOGISTIC ISSUE THERE IN, IN MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT IS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT HEY, COMMISSION, UH, WORKING GROUP B SAYS WE HAVE TWO CASES WORKING GROUP C, THAT WE HAVE ONE.

AND SO WE THOUGHT WE HAVE ENOUGH MATERIAL TO HAVE A CLOSED SESSION AND WE WOULD JUST DO THAT AS MANY AS WE NEED AS WE GO.

IT TURNS OUT THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES WHICH ARE ALSO PENDING LEGAL APPROVAL TO HOW E HOW WE PROCEED NEXT.

SO I THINK THIS TO BE NO SURPRISE TO EVERYBODY, THAT SOMETIMES A LAW IS WRITTEN, BUT THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAIL IN HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT.

I WOULD SAY SOMETIMES THAT THE DEVIL IS THE DETAIL AND ON THIS ONE.

SO THAT'S IT.

GETTING BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER PENHAM EVERYTHING BUT THIS SUMMARIZED RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO ANYTHING DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, AS OUR ITEM SAYS, REVIEWING THE CASE FILES, THE EASE OF DIFFICULTY ACCESSING THE CASE FILES, SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO DISCUSS IT, HOW TO DELIVER IT, HOW TO PRESENT IT ONCE WE DO HAVE ALL THREE OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT.

UM, SO WHAT WE DID IN OUR GROUP IS I ACTUALLY, UH, I JUMPED ON IT PRETTY QUICKLY 'CAUSE I WAS EXCITED TO GET STARTED IN THIS PROCESS AND I WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING AND I ACTUALLY TYPED UP A DOCUMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE BASIC INFORMATION OF THE CASE NUMBER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DATE OF THE INCIDENT, THE POLICY TRIGGER.

UM, AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, I, I WENT INTO THE POLICY FOR A PD AND DETERMINED WHAT EXACT, UH, POLICIES THERE WERE THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT AND, AND KIND OF PUT THAT AT THE TOP OF MY PAPER.

AND SO AS I'M READING THROUGH THE REST OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US IN THE FOLDER, I COULD ENSURE THAT EACH ELEMENT TO THAT POLICY WAS MET.

UM, AND AFTER I TYPED UP MY PAPER, I SENT IT TO THE OTHER, UM, MEMBER LEE PETERMAN, AND HE ALSO HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE CASE FILES AND STUFF AS WELL.

AND SO AFTER HE REVIEWED IT AND HE READ THE WAY THAT I HAD WRITTEN IT OUT, WE WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION WITH THE CASE.

UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE, UM, I'M, I KNOW WE'RE JUST VOLUNTEERS HERE, SO I, I FEEL LIKE IT IS, IT'S EASY TO JUST COMMUNICATE VIA EMAIL INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, GOING TO CHEESECAKE FACTORY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS LIKE, UM, ALREADY A, AN AGREEMENT ON A LOT OF THINGS.

SO MAYBE, UM, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING AHOLD OF YOUR OTHER, UM, WORKING GROUP MEMBERS TO JUST COMMUNICATE WITH THEM VIA EMAIL.

'CAUSE THAT WORKED REALLY WELL WITH US.

NOW, UH, COMMISSIONER PETERMAN, WOULD YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO, NOT REALLY.

I, I THINK I, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE I'M BRAND NEW ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF DOCUMENTATION OR WHAT TEMPLATE WE NEEDED TO FOLLOW, RIGHT? UH, TO CAPTURE THE INFORMATION.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMMISSIONER PENA DID A GREAT JOB IN PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.

SO IT HELPED ME A LOT MOVING FORWARD.

UH, AND, YOU KNOW, OURS WAS, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS KIND OF ONLY PART OF THE ENTIRE CASE, THERE'S STILL SOME OUTSTANDING, OUTSTANDING THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO ON IT.

UM, I THINK SHE DID A GREAT JOB AND THAT HELPED A LOT, YOU KNOW, HELPED ME A LOT TO UNDERSTAND.

SO HOPEFULLY I CAN TAKE THE LEAD IN FUTURE CASES.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN COMMUNICATE BY TEXT, NOT COMMUNICATING ANY PRIVATE OR ANY DISCUSSION, BUT THEY CAN SAY THINGS LIKE, HEY, CAN WE GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A TEAMS MEETING X, Y, Z? SO THAT, THAT'S ALSO, THAT HAS ALSO BEEN, UH, SET UP.

MM-HMM .

CAN I MAKE A COMMENT, LAURA? SO THE OTHER TWO WORKING GROUPS ARE IN, UM, I THINK EVEN WORKING GROUP, UH, B TWO ARE IN FOR PEOPLE WHO SHARED THEIR TELEPHONE NUMBERS.

THERE WAS A TEXT, A LITTLE TEXT GROUP,

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AND THE OTHER GROUPS HAVE ALSO DONE LIKE COMMISSIONER PENA ON THEIR OWN INITIATIVE.

ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY, UH, I DID THAT TO, WE TOOK A PO HAD, WHEN WE WENT TO A TRAINING, A PO HAD A FORM THAT THEY USE THE, THEIR, THEIR REVIEW OF APDS, UH, CASE IN WHICH THEY'LL SAY THINGS LIKE, WAS THE INVESTIGATION DONE, UH, UNBIASED, ET CETERA, THIS IS DONE AND WAS IT THOROUGH? AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE REUSED THAT DOCUMENT AND USE THAT AS A SEED FOR R THING.

SAME THING.

IT STARTS OUT WITH A BRIEF, A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE CASE, BUT THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT IN THAT BRIEF SUMMARY, SHOULD THAT BE REDACTED OR NOT? THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.

SHOULD THAT BE REDACTED? NOT PUT OFFICER NAME, BUT OFFICER NUMBER ONE.

AND UH, AND YOU KNOW, UM, UH, SUBJECT NUMBER ONE INSTEAD OF THE NAME OF THE PERSON, THAT'S THE, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF LEGAL QUESTIONS WE'RE WAITING FOR TO, TO KNOW HOW TO PROCEED.

BUT COMMISSIONER RUSSELL, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER HARRIS HAD PUT ALSO, HE PUT HIS OWN TOGETHER.

HE WAS THE FIRST ONE, PUT OUT SOMETHING VERY, VERY NICE AND VERY THINGS, UH, GIVEN HIS REASON AND NOT ONLY HOW HE WOULD, UH, VOTE, BUT HIS REASONS TOO.

ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE LEGAL QUESTIONS AND TO, IF SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE CAN DO AND HOW MUCH COULD BE PUBLIC.

SO THAT'S, UM, YEAH, I WAS, I WAS GONNA ASK ONE, THE ONE, ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS FROM COMMISSIONER U EUGENE, IF HE'S HAD A CHANCE TO HOW THE PROCESS WOULD WORK FOR HIM, BECAUSE, UM, I'M, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE IF THIS WORKING.

YEAH, I REVIEWED THE CASES AND UM, WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT FORMAT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION IN.

AND I SAW, UH, COMMISSIONER RUSSELL AND I DID TALK ABOUT THE CASE THE OTHER NIGHT.

I SAW HER REVIEW.

I HAVEN'T SEEN COMMISSIONER HARRIS'S WRITEUP OF THE CASE.

AND SO, UM, INTERESTED IN WHAT FORMAT WE'LL DO THOSE.

AND IF YOU, I DON'T RE I RECALL THE, UM, A PO DOCUMENT WOULD LIKE TO GET ANOTHER COPY OF THAT AND LOOK OVER THAT AS POSSIBLE TO SEE IF WE CAN STANDARDIZE ON THAT.

OKAY, THANKS.

SAY SOMETHING ELSE.

YEAH, AND I JUST WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD SOME OF THESE CASES THAT WE'RE REVIEWING, THEY DO HAVE HIGH PUBLIC SCRUTINY.

AND SO, AND WHEN IT COMES INTO REGARDS OF LIKE RELEASING THE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE NAMES OF THE OFFICERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO CONT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE PUBLIC IS WAITING ON OUR PERSPECTIVE ON THESE CASES.

AND IN, IN SOME CASES THEY'RE WAITING, UM, JUST TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THESE CASES.

SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT, UM, ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO KEEP THAT INFORMATION CONCEALED, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS SUCH A BIG PUBLIC CASE.

UM, SO I JUST WANT US TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

AND I KNOW WE'RE STILL WAITING ON LEGAL FOR THAT, BUT IT SEEMS KIND OF COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS A CASE THAT MIGHT BE NATIONAL NEWS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, SAY WHAT CASE IT IS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, SETTLING THE PUBLIC AT ALL.

AND IT'S OUR JOB TO HAVE THAT CLEAR COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND, AND PART OF PART OF THAT IS WE ARE CREATING, WE ARE ESTABLISHING THE BASELINE NOW FOR THE WORKING GROUPS.

SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR THE WORKING GROUPS, IT HELPS TO HAVE A LEAD, A POINT OF CONTACT PRIMARY PERSON, KIND OF HANDLE THOSE INDIVIDUAL GROUPS MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING AS FAR AS THE UPDATES OF THESE WORKING GROUPS.

UM, AND LIKE I'VE TOLD OTHER COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE CREATING THE PROCESS IF WHAT WORKS FOR YOUR GROUP, WORKS FOR YOUR GROUP, I HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENT ON ONLINE AND DIFFERENT TIMES TO REVIEW, HAVE A SUMMARY UPDATE.

THIS IS THE TIME WHERE WE CAN HAVE THAT DELIBERATE CONVERSATION ON THOSE UPDATES.

WHAT HAS WORKED.

SO FOR THOSE THAT HAVE REVIEWED, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SHARE THAT'S GONNA HELP THE REST OF US IN THOSE WORKING GROUPS FUNCTION MORE EFFECTIVELY, UM, THERE'S, IT'S STILL AN OPEN DISCUSSION IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE REVIEWING THESE CASES.

I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ON THE EXPERIENCE REVIEWING THE CASE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS IS AN INTENTIONAL BUT ITERATIVE PROCESS AND WE'RE ALL LIKE, READY TO GET TO THE, TO THE END, BUT WE HAVE TO DO ALL THE SMALL PIECES CORRECTLY FIRST.

SO WE'RE IN LIKE THE CRAWL PHASE, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL WALK AND THEN RUN.

BUT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO LIKE STOP THE PUBLIC FROM GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT THEY DESERVE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL AND WE NEED SOME LEGAL ANSWERS ABOUT WHAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION,

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WHAT IS NOT PUBLIC INFORMATION.

AND IN ORDER FOR US TO NOT JUST MAINTAIN THE TRUST OF THE PUBLIC, BUT TO THE POLICE AGENCY THAT'S PROVIDING US THIS INFORMATION.

AND SO IF WE GO OUT AND JUST SAY EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW RECKLESSLY, IT COULD REALLY STYMIE US IN OUR PROGRESS.

BUT IF WE WITHHOLD TOO MUCH, THAT LOOKS BAD TOO, AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT RIGHT BALANCE, BUT WITHOUT THE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE TO, TO BE HERE TO SPEAK TO THAT AUTHORITATIVELY.

WE HAVE, WE'RE BASICALLY AT A POINT WHERE WE ARE JUST WAITING AND, UM, IT'S BETTER TO WAIT AND GET IT RIGHT THAN TO RUSH AND GET IT WRONG BECAUSE IT'S GONNA REALLY TAKE AWAY OUR ABILITY TO DO THIS FURTHER IN THE PROCESS.

AND AS WE LEARN THESE LESSONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'LL HELP US BUILD THE TEMPLATES, BUILD ALL THE PROCESSES SO THAT WE CAN REALLY ACCELERATE AND DO THE DUE DILIGENCE TO THESE A LOT QUICKER THAN WHAT'S GOING ON NOW.

BUT WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN'T ANSWER OUR OWN QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, IF WE COULD, WE WOULD AND, UM, WE WOULD MOVE A LOT FASTER.

'CAUSE I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO GET AHEAD TOO, BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WE'RE LITERALLY BUILDING THE PLANE AS WE'RE FLYING, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT EVEN FLYING THAT HIGH.

SO WE WE'RE GONNA GET IT INTO A SMOOTH PROCESS, BUT IT'S A PROCESS, RIGHT? AND IT'S, UM, SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO IS TO REVIEW THE POLICY AND ENSURE THAT, UH, AP A PO AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOLLOWED THAT POLICY.

SO IN, IN REGARDS TO LIKE WORKING GROUP A, THERE WAS THREE, UM, PARTS TO THE POLICY.

AND SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY NEEDING TO RELEASE ANY INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC BESIDES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE NAME OF WHAT HAPPENED.

AND IN ORDER FOR THIS TO HAVE BEEN DONE CORRECTLY, THE POLICY STATES THAT THIS NEEDED TO HAPPEN, THIS NEEDED TO HAPPEN AND THIS NEEDED TO HAPPEN.

AND ALL WE HAVE TO SAY IS IT HAPPENED, IT HAPPENED OR DIDN'T HAPPEN.

AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS GOING TO EXPOSE THAT MUCH INFORMATION BECAUSE POLICY IS PUBLIC RECORD.

THE, THE AUSTIN POLICIES ARE PUBLIC RECORD, RIGHT? I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE BASELINE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WE'RE ALSO HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR CHANGE, RIGHT? IF WE SEE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO SAY, HEY, THE POLICY IS X, Y, Z, AND THEY DID FOLLOW THAT.

HOWEVER, X PERSON SHOULD NOT HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS.

AND YOU CAN BRING IN THESE TYPE OF TRAININGS OR BRING IN THESE TYPES OF RESOLUTIONS TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.

BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT'S INCONGRUENT WITH POLICY STILL MAY BE AN OUTRAGE TO THE PUBLIC.

AND SO SOMETIMES THE POLICY MAY CHANGE OR THE TRAINING MAY NEED TO CHANGE, OR SOMETIMES THE LAW MAY NEED TO CHANGE WHATEVER IT IS.

AND SO I THINK TO GET THAT LEVEL OF CLARITY, WE DO NEED TO KNOW WHAT, NOT JUST WHAT THE LAW IS, BUT ALSO WHAT OUR CAPABILITIES AND LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ARE IN ADVOCATING FOR THAT CHANGE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND NOW THAT WE GOT THE CASES, WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THOSE ANSWERS.

SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, UM, HOW TO DISCUSS, HOW TO DELIBERATE, HOW TO PRESENT TO THE FULL CPRC DISCUSSION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS.

UM, I PROMISE WE ARE ON TRACK.

WE'RE JUST CROSSING OUR T'S, DOTTING OUR I'S.

IT'S BEEN A REALLY LONG PATH TO GET HERE.

I CAN SEE THE FINISH LINE.

WE'RE WE'RE JUST THIS CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO TRULY FUNCTION AS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.

UM, SO, AND EVERYONE HERE IS PUTTING IN THEIR BEST EFFORT TO GET US THERE, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSIONS, I WILL

[6. Discussion of drafting a “CPRC Year One” summary of accomplishments and challenges for potential communication to the City Council and City Manager. ]

BE MOVING ALONG TO OUR ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSSION OF DRAFTING A-C-P-R-C YEAR ONE SUMMARY OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CHALLENGES FOR POTENTIAL COMMUNICATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER.

I OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION.

UH, I CAN START AND COMMENT ON THAT.

UH, COMMISSIONER HARRIS, WHO WAS UNFORTUNATELY NOT BE ABLE, WAS NOT ABLE TO BE PRESENT TODAY, IS INCREDIBLY BUSY, HAD TAKEN ON THE, UH, VOLUNTEER TO, TO, TO PUT A FIRST DRAFT, AND HE WAS NOT ABLE, UH, TO DO THAT.

UM, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S THE STATUS ON ON ON THAT SO FAR.

UH, I THINK IN, IN TODAY'S DISCUSSION, WE HEARD SOME OF WHAT COMMISSIONER FLOOD DISCUSS ABOUT MAYBE WE COULD PIGGYBACK, TRY TO PIGGYBACK ON SOME OF, OF THE APOS.

BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE, THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO AT LEAST TO PUT A SUMMARY OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE, JUST DOCUMENT CLEARLY

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WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, WHAT OUR ACHIEVEMENTS AND, AND FAILURES OR, OR WHATEVER AND DELAYS AND SO FORTH.

BUT I, I, I PERSONALLY WANT THIS DOCUMENT NOT TO, TO LOOK LIKE A LIST OF, OF APOLOGIES, APOLOGIES, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.

BUT JUST KIND OF TRY TO POINT OUT, UH, OBJECTIVELY SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES AND, UM, AND WITH THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO IN LIEU OF HIM BEING, UH, FOR COMMISSIONER HARRIS BEING PRESENT, I WANTED TO AT LEAST TELL YOU WHERE, WHERE THINGS WERE AT.

I'LL LET IN THAT I KNOW WE'VE HAD A, A DIFFICULTY IRRIGATING STARTED.

WE, WE'VE HAD GRIEVANCES, WE'VE HAD OUR UPS, WE'VE HAD OUR DOWNS, WE'VE HAD OUR COMPROMISES, UH, WE HAVE MOVED ALONG.

SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WE HAVE MADE THOSE STRONG COLLABORATIONS WITH OUR DEPARTMENTS HERE PRESENT.

I, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THIS SUMMARY OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF CHALLENGES, FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE LACKING, WHERE WE MISSED THE MARK, WHERE WE HAVE EXCEEDED, WHERE WE HAVE MET OUR GOAL AS, AGAIN, IT'S OUR VERY FIRST YEAR AS, UH, WITH THIS COMMISSION.

SO I DO WANNA TAKE SOME LEEWAY TO SAY IT'S, IT'S OUR FIRST YEAR.

EVERYONE HERE IS A BRAND NEW COMMISSIONER.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

TRULY, WE HAVE DONE A LOT TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST SHY OF BEING ABLE TO PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS ON ACTIVE CASES THAT NEED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER HARRIS HAS, UH, DRAFTED IN THE PAST SOMETHING SIMILAR ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO MOVING FORWARD.

I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION OF DRAFTING A SUMMARY.

UM, I THINK IN THAT, UM, WE SHOULD NOT PIN IT JUST ON COMMISSIONER HARRIS.

I'M GLAD HE'S TAKEN THE LEAD, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BRING OUR INPUTS AND PERSPECTIVES INTO IT AND MAKE A COLLABORATIVE DOCUMENT, UM, BECAUSE, AND THEN IT'LL ALLOW US TO ESTABLISH METRICS, UM, TO MEASURE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST ARE WE DOING THE RIGHT THING, BUT ARE WE DOING THINGS RIGHT AND LOOK AT OUR TIMELINES, OUR TURNAROUNDS, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE CHALLENGES AND SEE HOW WE'VE GROWN AND DEVELOPED COMPARED FROM THIS PAST YEAR TO GOING INTO THIS NEW YEAR.

AND SO WE LOOK AT THE SAME THING NEXT YEAR AND SAY, HEY, LAST YEAR WE WANTED TO DO X, Y, Z THIS YEAR WE ACCOMPLISHED.

AND SO IF WE CAN QUANTIFY AND QUALIFY THAT AND PUT IT ON A DOCUMENT SO THAT WE CAN ALL SEE IT AND SHARE THE VISION AND TRY TO GO IN THAT SAME DIRECTION, I THINK THAT'LL PUT US ALL IN ALIGNMENT SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE INTENTIONAL AND PURPOSEFUL AND MOVE IN THE, THE DIRECTION TO INFORM THE PUBLIC IN A, IN A MANNER THAT WORKS AND FIGURE OUT DIFFERENT THINGS, WHETHER IT IS, YOU KNOW, TEAMING WITH OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE ALREADY DOING THESE EVENTS OR WHATEVER WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK.

I THINK, UM, IF WE COULD JUST LOOK AT AND LIST THOSE THINGS FROM EACH INDIVIDUAL'S PERSPECTIVE, IT WILL BE VALUE ADDED TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY CAN ALSO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I, WITHOUT THAT, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE HARD TO PRESENT, PRESENT SOMETHING IN TOTALITY TO LIKE CITY COUNCIL OR ANYONE ELSE IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR GUIDING LIGHT IS OR OUR COMPASS IS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE COMPARING IT AGAINST.

THAT'S MY FEEDBACK.

SO TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU WELL, UH, JUST FOR A SUMMARY, JUST FOR A MEMORY, AT LAST MEETING WHEN WE PROPOSED HOW TO DO THAT, ONLY COMMISSIONER HARRIS VOLUNTEERED TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER AT LEAST A FRAMEWORK FOR THIS.

ARE YOU SAYING NOT EACH OF US, ESPECIALLY THOSE YEAH, I KNOW.

I, OKAY.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT EACH OF US, ESPECIALLY SOME OF US WHO'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, MAYBE WRITE OUR LITTLE SUMMARY AND SEND IT TO HIM? IS THAT, WOULD THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAY? YEAH, THERE LOT NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT CAN'T, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE JUST NEW.

THEY DON'T HAVE A US PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS A GOOD IDEA.

OF WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THAT.

SO WE ALMOST LIKE A HOLISTIC, A HOLISTIC COMPILATION AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY, WELL, COMMISSIONER GRIEVE SAID, AND COMMISSIONER, NO, IT JUST SAYS WHAT WE'VE OBSERVED AND WHAT OUR CHALLENGES ARE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVES.

AND THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE AS A DELIBERATE BODY WILL VOTE ON THE, THE END PRODUCT, UM, AFTER WE ALL SEE IT.

UM, THAT'S ANOTHER TIME AND THEN WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING CODIFIED TO SHOW WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO SHOW THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY, RIGHT.

SO, UM, JUST, JUST TO BE SURE MAN.

SO I WOULD SAY LIKE COMMISSIONER DE LAAS AND COMMISSIONER FRANCO, AND COMMISSIONER EUGENE AND MYSELF WHO'VE BEEN HERE FOR LATER.

MAYBE, UH, IF, IF THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT, WE COULD JUST SEND A LITTLE SOMETHING AND OUR SUMMARIES ARE HIGHLIGHTS OR WHATEVER TO COMMISSIONER HARRIS TO, TO GIVE HIM A BACK.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER TWO COMMISSIONERS

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I'M WILLING TO DO THAT.

AND CHAIR, I JUST, I JUST WANNA HAVE IT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE ARE THREE OF US IN THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW THAT PROBABLY CAN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, JUST SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS JUST BECAUSE WE ARE SO NEW.

YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEEN DONE PRIOR TO DECEMBER.

SO, BUT WHAT, WHAT DOES COMMISSIONER LAAS AND EUGENE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT? SO, UH, SUGGESTION.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.

UM, I'M, I'M START ON SOMETHING AND SEND IT TO HIM, UH, POSSIBLY BY TODAY OR END OF THIS, UH, NEW WEEK AT LEAST.

YEAH, I JUST WHAT TIMEFRAME ARE YOU THINKING? IF I THINK IF WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE TIMEFRAME WE CAN GET SOMETHING TO PUT TOGETHER.

WELL, WE ALREADY PASSED OUR YEAR IN NOVEMBER, SO, UH, I GUESS ANYTIME AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WOULD BE NICE.

ANY, ANYTHING YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT YOU THINK, THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT SUMMARY WILL, WILL WORK US OUT.

MOST OF US WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S THE GREAT THING ABOUT A DIVERSE GROUP PODCAST.

BUT I THINK COMMERCIAL FLOAT IDEAS, LIKE, LET'S HELP HIM BY GIVING HIM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

SO, YEAH.

AND JUST TO ADD MAYBE A SOFT THAT LINE OF JANUARY 23RD, NEXT FRIDAY, EMAIL SOMETHING TO COMMISSIONER HARRIS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CHALLENGES, WHAT YOU THINK, EVEN IF YOU'RE NEW AND YOU'RE SEEING, HMM, THIS MAYBE COULD HAVE WORKED A LITTLE BETTER, WE WILL LOVE THAT INPUT.

EVEN IF YOU ARE NEW AND YOU'RE THINKING, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, WE APPRECIATE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE WANNA DRAFT THIS LETTER.

WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WE CAN HOPEFULLY CLARIFY SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

UM, AS YOU'RE SENDING 'EM TO, HARRIS WILL BE SENT TO, UH, THE CHAIR, MYSELF, VICE CHAIR, SO WE CAN CLARIFY THAT.

IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON ITEM NUMBERS, I HAVE ONE COMMENT AND I WOULD SAY, UM, TO THE NEW MEMBERS, IT'S ACTUALLY GREAT THAT YOU'RE HERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK AT US, UM, AS YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND SAY, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE BEEN YOUR CHALLENGES? UM, WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THIS? WHY HAVEN'T YOU TALKED TO THIS? OR WHATEVER.

AND I MEAN, HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE TOO, BECAUSE IT'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE THINK WE MAY BE DOING RIGHT, BUT AS A NEW PERSON, YOU MAY BE LIKE, HMM, MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE DONE THIS BETTER.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALL FOR, AND, BUT I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND I'LL LET YOU MOVE ON.

SORRY, I'LL TAKE A LINE FROM COMMISSIONER FLOOD.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.

SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THE NEW INPUTS, UM, HELPING US SEE WHAT WE MIGHT BE MISSING.

NOW MOVING ON TO OUR DISCUSSION

[7. Discussion of and approval of the Community Police Review Commission meeting schedule for the 2026 calendar year. ]

AND ACTION.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION OF AN APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE 2026 CALENDAR YEAR.

YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

UH, I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THOSE STATES.

UH, WE WILL BE MEETING IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION ROOM FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.

SO TODAY, COUNCIL CHAMBERS, WE'RE, WE'RE BACK TO OUR, OUR OLDER OR PREVIOUS ROOM FOR THE REST OF THE MEETINGS.

PLEASE LOOK AT THOSE FRIDAYS.

AND I OPEN THE FLOOR NOW FOR DISCUSSION IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUES, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS.

SIX OF US TO MEET FOR THE COMMISSION TO STILL MEET, UH, AGAIN, COMMISSIONER CHAIR, UH, G AND MYSELF WORK WITH OUR SCHEDULES TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE OF US IS HERE PRESENT TO HOLD THESE MEETINGS.

UM, THE FEBRUARY 27TH MEETING, UH, WORKS FOR MY CALENDAR, BUT JUST CURIOUS WHY IT WAS MOVED FROM THE, WHAT WOULD ORDINARILY HAVE BEEN A MEETING ON FEBRUARY 20TH TO THE 27TH? THE, UH, THE ROOM WASN'T AVAILABLE, SO WASN'T AVAILABLE.

YEAH, SO IT WAS THE FOURTH WEEK THAT THERE, THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE YOU IN THAT ROOM.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE OTHERS SQUARELY FALL ON THAT THIRD FRIDAY.

AND THEN EVEN THE, I THINK CITY COUNCIL TAKES A BREAK DURING THE SUMMER.

DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER, CONSIDER THAT AS A, AT LEAST ONE MONTH, BECAUSE I'M SURE ONE OF THE MONTHS OF, OF JULY OR AUGUST I WILL BE UNAVAILABLE.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION IS, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO TAKE A BREAK DURING THE SUMMER AND NOT HAVE A MEETING? CORRECT.

I'M ALL FOR THAT.

I, I DO A LOT OF TRAVELING, UM, IN THE SUMMER, SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE FOR, BUT I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE.

IS IT APPROPRIATE TIME TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT OR DO WE HAVE TO MOTION THAT FOR, SO, WE'LL, IF THE, UH, THE FLOOR IS STILL OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OKAY.

THE ACTION OF VOTING AFTERWARD.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I MYSELF, UH, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH TAKING THAT SUMMER OFF JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL COMMISSIONER CHAIR GRIEVES IS OUT OF TOWN RIGHT NOW.

I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN NEXT MEETING.

WE TAKE DIFFERENT TRAVEL TIMES AND VACATIONS THROUGHOUT, AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE LOSING A MONTH MOMENTUM WHEN WE'RE JUST THIS CLOSE TO GETTING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, GETTING THAT PROGRESS MADE, THAT IF WE ARE ABLE,

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SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO, UH, JUST OUT THE BAT CANCEL SOME OF THE SUMMER MEETINGS.

I ACTUALLY WANT US TO CONTINUE HAVING THESE MEETINGS, WHETHER WE ALL MAKE IT OR NOT, WE'RE STILL CREATING THAT PROGRESS.

YEAH, I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH HER.

I'M GLAD, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANCO SAID THAT BECAUSE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, BECAUSE THE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR ONE OF US HAS TO BE PRESENT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I PREFERRED THE, THE DOWNTOWN LOCATION BECAUSE IT WORKED OUT THAT WEEK.

IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME TO BE THERE AND THAT'S ONE OF MY BIASES.

BUT, UM, YEAH, BUT HAVING, UM, SET THE MEETINGS, ALL 12 MEETINGS THERE, IT INCREASE THE CHANCE THAT WE'LL HAVE 11 MEETINGS, 10 MEETINGS IN A YEAR.

SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE 2026 CALENDAR YEAR? AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE VOTING ACTION ITEM OF, UH, NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION OF AN APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE RECOMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE 2026 CALENDAR YEAR.

IF I COULD GET A FIRST MOTION AND A SECOND, AND THEN IF WE WANTED TO AMEND, WE WOULD, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND AFTER THAT.

SO WE WOULD, UH, WE'RE CALLING TO, TO, UH, VOTE ON THE ACTION ITEM AS IS AS, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO THEN LATER VOTE TO AMEND OR, UH, VOTE AGAINST THAT.

THAT IS ALSO THE OPTION, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE CALL FOR THE MOTION AND THEN IF I WANT TO AMEND IT, I COULD OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BEFORE WE VOTE.

WE COULD VOTE THAT AMENDMENT UP AND DOWN.

THEN WE, I'VE CALLED, I'VE CALLED FOR SOMEONE TO FIRST AND SECOND THE MOTION.

FIRST FORM COMMISSIONER FLOOD.

SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A FIRST AND SECOND? NO, NOT YET.

I FIRST THE MOTION I AND, AND I GUESS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE THE MOTION WE'RE FIRST IS THAT WE'RE AS IS THE CALENDAR AS IS WE'RE APPROVED OR NOT AND I SECOND THAT AND THEN HE CAN OFFER US AMENDMENT RIGHT.

IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? I'M SORRY, DID, DID, WHO WAS THE WHO CALLED FIRST TO MOTION? I WAS FIRST.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

UH, MOTION.

AND THEN SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER GREAVES DISCUSSION AND THE, OF AN APPROVAL OF THE MEETING SCHEDULE FOR THE 22 6 CALENDAR, AS IS, I WILL CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

I WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER A MOTION TO AMEND BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS AS IS.

LET ME VERIFY RIGHT NOW WITH OUR LIAISONS IF YOU VOTE ON IT FIRST.

YEAH, I WANT TO, I WANT TO, YES, HE CAN.

HE CAN OFFER THOSE AMENDMENTS PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION VOTING ON THE CALENDAR.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER JEAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, OFFER SOME AMENDMENTS I'D TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT THAT WE, UM, I DO NOT MEET ON, UH, UM, JUNE 26TH AND JULY 17TH.

WE REMOVE THOSE MEETINGS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THOSE TWO MEETINGS TO JUST NOT HAVE THEM.

RIGHT.

IS THERE A SECOND TO PUT THIS AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION? YEAH.

SO, UM, OH WAIT, YOU WANT ME TO MOTION SECOND? YEAH, I MADE THE MOTION SO I NEED A SECOND.

SECOND.

AND THEN WE DISCUSS, THERE'S STILL TIME IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THIS MOTION.

YOU SAID SECOND FOR DISCUSSION? YEAH.

I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION.

I'LL LISTEN TO ANYTHING.

THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENTS TO, UH, NOT MEET ON JUNE 26TH AND JULY 17TH, 2026.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 13 OF US.

ALL WE NEED IS SIX FOR, UM, US TO HAVE A QUORUM.

AND SINCE THERE IS THE, UM, TELE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO JOIN THE MEETING, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO KEEP IT AS IS IN HOPES THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT SIX PERSON QUORUM.

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS WHAT, LIKE 138 CASES THAT CURRENTLY NEED TO BE REVIEWED.

AND WE ONLY HAVE 12 MEETINGS PER THIS MONTH AND 12 TIMES THREE GROUPS IS WAY LESS THAN 1 38.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A DISADVANTAGE IF WE TOOK TWO OF THOSE MEETINGS OFF.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THE AMENDMENT?

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COMMISSIONER GREAVES? YES.

UM, SO I FEEL, I FEEL THAT IF WE DO, SINCE WE DO HAVE 13 PEOPLE, IF ANY ONE OF US NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES OR THEIR FAMILY OR FIND THAT WORK LIFE BALANCE, I THINK WITH THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS SHOW UP AND SAY, THEN WE SHOULD TRUST IN EACH OTHER THAT WE SHOULD STILL MAKE QUORUM EVEN IF A INDIVIDUAL PERSONALLY DOES NOT OR IS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'M OKAY WITH CONTINUING THE MEETING THROUGHOUT THE CALENDAR YEAR BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION THAT WE CAN STILL DO THE WORK IN A DELIBERATE WAY.

UM, I WITHDRAW THE MOTION.

I OKAY.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? DISCUSSION OF AN APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE 2026 CALENDAR AND A SECOND? I SECOND I FIRST THE MOTION.

I SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING THE ITEM AS IS TO BE VOTED ON? I CALL TO VOTE.

ACTION NUMBER SEVEN.

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE RESPOND.

COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER DE LOPEZ? YES.

COMMISSIONER PETERMAN? YES.

COMMISSIONER EUGENE? YES.

COMMISSIONER FLOOD? YES.

COMMISSIONER PENA? YES.

AND MYSELF? UH, YES AS WELL.

I BELIEVE THAT HAS PASSED.

AND IS THE MEETING SCHEDULE WILL STAND AS IS.

UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR VOTING ON THAT MATTER.

I BELIEVE THAT IS OUR LAST DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM.

UH, MOVING ON

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. COMMISSIONER, I REMIND YOU THIS IS A TIME TO LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA.

IT WILL BE RECORDED, SO IT WILL BE ON THE RECORD THAT WE ARE THINKING OF ADDING THESE AGENDA ITEMS. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS.

SO I OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE.

NOW THIS POINT OF INQUIRY, IS THIS THE TIME WHEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ADD ON THAT WE COULD PRESENT WORKING GROUP A BECAUSE A MONTH FROM NOW WE WOULD'VE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE A THIRD PERSON REVIEW THE CASE.

SO WE CAN HAVE THE EXACT SAME ITEM NUMBER FIVE DISCUSSION OF THERE WILL BE WORKING GROUPS WITH THE SUMMARY RECOMMENDATIONS.

IF YOUR WORKING GROUP WILL BE READY TO PRESENT BY THEN I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA, UM, A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE LIMITATIONS THAT MR. GREEN BROUGHT UP AS FAR AS WHEN WE CAN MEET IN, IN CLOSE SESSION.

AND THAT'S REGARDING THE STRUCTURE OF HOW OFTEN WE DO MEET.

AND SO IF WE NEED TO MEET QUARTERLY OR, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIMITATION IS AS FAR AS WHAT THE NUMBER IS, FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS EFFECTIVE, BUT IT DOESN'T WASTE OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET IN CLOSED SESSION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

I'M SURE YOU CAN CHAIR, IF I MAY MAKE, THANK YOU.

UM, CHAIR, IF I MAY.

THERE IS NO LIMITATION IN TERMS OF MEETING IN CLOSED SESSION.

UM, THE ONLY LIMITATION YOU HAVE IS IN TERMS OF SPECIAL SESSIONS, YOU ONLY GET ONE, YOU CAN ONLY CALL ONE SPECIAL SESSION PER QUARTER.

BUT THERE'S NO LIMITATION IN TERMS OF REQUEST FOR A BRIEFING AND MEETING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO WE, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE UNLIMITED EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR US WHAT A SPECIAL SESSION IS? UH, A SPECIAL SESSION WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WE HAD TO CANCEL YOUR MEETING, UH, I THINK THAT WAS LAST MONTH, DECEMBER.

AND TO RESCHEDULE THAT, THAT WAS CONSIDERED SPECIAL MEETING, A SPECIAL MEETING THAT OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

SO WE CAN MEET IN A, IN CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION ANY TIME, UNLIMITED TIMES.

SO I, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, MORE AS AN ISSUE THAT I WAS MIS UH, I MISUNDERSTOOD AND THAT'S MY BAD TOO.

YOUR MONTHLY MEETING MEETINGS, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

WE GOT CLARITY.

SO WE ON EXECUTIVE, SORRY, I'M PART, UM, DIRECTOR THE MEETING, THE LIMITATIONS ARE IN EXECUTIVE MEETINGS PER QUARTER, SPECIAL MEETINGS, SPECIAL SESSIONS, SPECIAL MEETINGS, ONE PER QUARTER.

BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION IN

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BUT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE SPECIAL SESSION CALLED MEETING PER QUARTER.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

ANY OTHER, AND WITH THAT, GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER FLYNN, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA ALREADY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION? SO IF WE KNOW THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA BRIEF SOMETHING AND IT MAY HAVE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION OR ANYTHING, DO WE ALREADY HAVE TO HAVE THAT PLANNED ON THE AGENDA THAT WE'RE GONNA GO IN THE CLOSED SESSION? YES SIR.

THAT HAS TO BE ON THE AGENDA.

SO COULD WE MAKE THAT LIKE, UM, A RECURRING ACTION ITEM WHERE WE JUST PUT THAT JUST IN CASE WE DO NEED TO GO IN THE CLOSED SESSION .

SO COMMISSIONER FLOOD, COULD YOU RESTATE THE DISCUSSION OR ACTION ITEM YOU WOULD LIKE FOR FUTURE AGENDA? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, DECISION ON OR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE MAKE IT A RE REOCCURRING EVENT, WHETHER WE DO IT OR NOT, BUT IT'S ALREADY, THE SPACE IS ALREADY THERE TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION IN CASE A GROUP NEEDS TO PRESENT SOMETHING.

UM, AND SO THAT WAY WHEN WE DO SPEAK ON IT IN A PUBLIC MANNER, WE AREN'T VIOLATING ANYTHING 'CAUSE WE CAN HAVE THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND I KNOW THAT IT'S ALSO PENDING SOME LEGAL ADVICE, UH, BUT WE'LL ADD THAT A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

ANY OTHER CURRENT FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? COMMISSIONER PENA? UM, AND I JUST, I NEEDED TO CIRCLE BACK TO MY FIRST ONE.

COMMISSIONER FLOOD, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO JOIN WORKING GROUP A CORRECT.

TO HELP US WITH OUR CASE AS OUR THIRD PERSON.

YEAH, IF THAT'S ALLOWED.

I'M NOT, UH, THAT'S BETWEEN COMMISSIONER GREAVES AND COMMISSIONER PENA, BUT IF I CAN DO THAT TO GET THE CASE TO BE THE THIRD PERSON, I DON'T MIND.

AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ENSURE HAPPENS, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK THAT HE BE GIVEN THE FILE OR IS THERE ANOTHER STEP THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE TO ENSURE THAT? SO I WANNA CALL THE MOTION TO ORDER AS RIGHT NOW WE ARE DISCUSSING THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT YOU CAN HAVE OUTSIDE, UM, AND IT CAN PROCEED.

BUT RIGHT NOW LET'S STAY ON TRACK WITH FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD YOU, WOULD ANYBODY WOULD LIKE ADDED? I DO.

I HAVE, I WANT TO DISCUSS APDS RELATIONSHIP WITH ICE AND I KNOW THEY JUST RESCINDED SOME ACTION AS FAR AS HOW THEY REPORT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND POSSIBLY BRING IN A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, UH, I SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WITHOUT ANY, ANYTHING REGULATING THEM TO REPORT TO ICE.

THEY DID ANYWAY.

AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND WHAT IS BEING DONE NOW.

HOW, HOW HAS THAT CHANGED? JUST FOR THE CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU WANTING ALSO TO INVITE SOMEONE FROM A PD OR CORRESPONDING OFFICES TO SPEAK ON THIS OR WILL THIS JUST BE A DISCUSSION ITEM AMONG COMMISSIONERS? FROM OUR KNOWLEDGE, ABSOLUTELY.

IF WE HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT WE CAN INVITE, I DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR IT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THAT SERVES THE PUBLIC.

UM, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE VOCAL ABOUT ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC.

I'M NOT SAYING A POSITION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT NOT HAVING CLARITY ON A PROCESS IS TROUBLING TO ME.

THANK YOU FOR RECOMMENDING THAT INQUIRY COMMISSIONER FLOOD.

BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER OUR JURISDICTION OR WOULD THAT BE THE AUSTIN PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION? IT IS UNDER OUR JURISDICTION POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S THE A PD PROCESS AND IT WAS THE A PD OFFICER.

SO I THINK THAT'S A PD.

RIGHT.

AND SO AGAIN, FOR THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'LL COORDINATE WITH OUR LIAISONS TO HAVE A GUEST SPEAKER FROM THOSE DEPARTMENTS COME IN AND EXPLAIN TO US THEIR INVOLVEMENT AS IT RELATES TO OUR COMMISSION AND WHAT WE CAN DO.

UM, BUT YES, IT DOES RELATE TO THE WORK THAT WE DO AS WE'RE ABLE TO OVERSIGHT A LOT OF THIS LITTLE FINE DETAILS AND WORDPLAY.

ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADD? JUST A REMINDER FOR THOSE OF US BRINGING UP DISCUSSION ITEMS, THE EXPECTATION IS FOR YOU TO HELP LEAD THAT CONVERSATION.

COME PREPARE.

UH, YOU ARE ALSO WELCOME TO REACH OUT TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS SO THAT THERE'S MORE THAN JUST ONE LEADING THE CONVERSATION.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS TO INCLUDE AT THIS MOMENT? SEEMS LIKE WE ARE COMING TO AN END.

IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOTION ADJOURN.

AT 4:19 PM THANK YOU EVERYONE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, I'VE GOT A FIRST AND SECOND, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

UH, SECOND YES.

ADJOURNED

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