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           YOU ARE WATCHING A MEETING OF THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL WITH MAYOR KIRK WATSON, MAYOR PRO TIMM CHEADLE, VELA. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS NATASHA HARPER MADISON, VANESSA FUENTES, JOSE VELAZQUEZ, RYAN ALTER, CRYSTAL LANE, MIKE SIEGEL, PAIGE ELLIS, ZOE CADRE, MARK UCHIN, CITY ATTORNEY DEBORAH THOMAS, CITY CLERK ERICA BRADY, AND CITY MANAGER TC BROAD. 
          GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. 
          UH, WELCOME TO THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. 
          I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. 
          IT IS NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ON FEBRUARY 3RD, 2026. 
          WE'RE MEETING IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, WHICH ARE LOCATED IN AUSTIN CITY HALL AT 3 0 1 WEST SECOND STREET IN AUSTIN. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM OF THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL PRESENT, AND TWO MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBER VELASQUEZ ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. 
          UM, WE HAVE SPEAKERS 
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THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GONNA GO TO, UM, THE CITY CLERK AND ASK THAT THE CITY CLERK, UM, UH, HELP US NAVIGATE THAT AND CALL DO, DO AS WE DO DURING OUR, UM, MEETINGS, UH, ON THURSDAYS, AND JUST GO THROUGH, UH, AND CALL BASED UPON THE ORDER OF THE, UH, OF THE AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          FIRST, UH, WE HAVE REMOTE SPEAKERS. 
          AARON PIERCE. 
          AARON, PLEASE UNMUTE. 
          WE WILL TRY TO GET HER BACK. 
          NEXT WE HAVE AUSTIN WRIGHT. 
          HI THERE, EVERYBODY. 
          UM, MY NAME IS AUSTIN WRIGHT, AND I'M SPEAKING ON, UH, I'M WITH YOU AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF HANDS OFF CENTRAL TEXAS. 
          UM, TO COME TO THE HEART OF THE ISSUE, UH, THE CONCERNS OF AGENDA ITEM THREE I HAVE HERE, UH, AND A LPR IS BOILED DOWN TO TWO THINGS. 
          UM, ONE IS THE RIGHT FOR TAXING CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC LIFE WITHOUT OPTING INTO A TOOL THAT COULD VERY WELL BE USED FOR MASS SURVEILLANCE. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE MEAN WITH THAT IS JUST THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT ABOUT THIS TODAY. 
          UM, IF YOU GO TO A PUBLIC PARK OR A POOL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, TO PARTICIPATE OR NOT, YOU WILL HAVE TO, UH, PART, YOU KNOW, OPT INTO THIS PROGRAM EFFECTIVELY. 
          UH, THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK MORE BROADLY ON, UH, IS THE CONCERN OVER HANDING OVER DATA TO A PRIVATE COMPANY, UH, AND, AND THAT BEING IN, IN, IN THEIR, UH, IN THEIR HANDS EFFECTIVELY. 
          UM, THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE THERE IS THAT IT ALLOWS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND FRANKLY ANYBODY ELSE TO, UH, GO INTO THIS SYSTEM, UH, AND BE ABLE TO USE THE DATA THERE, UH, WITH THE PRE-WAR PROCESS TO GO AROUND A LOT OF THE CITY, UH, OVERSIGHT THAT WE HAVE, UH, AND ACCESS DATA THAT COULD LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, UNLAWFUL ARRESTS OR, UH, JUST, UH, OVERALL JUST BROADER UNLAWFUL PROSECUTION OF CITIZENS. 
          UM, WE'VE SEEN CONCERNS WITH I AND HOW THEY OPERATE NATIONALLY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE HERE TOO, UH, WOULD BE GOING AFTER CITIZENS, UH, WHETHER YOU ARE A CITIZEN OR NOT, UM, JUST GOING AFTER YOU BASED ON YOUR RACE OR YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOUR ACTIVITIES ARE, UM, AND UNLAWFULLY, UH, PROSECUTING YOU THERE. 
          UM, THE, THE SOLUTION THAT WE'D LIKE TO HOPE TO SEE IS THAT, UH, THE DATA GET MOVED TO THE CUSTODY OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, IN SOME KIND OF SERVICE THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN, AT LEAST IN THAT WAY. 
          UH, WE CAN HAVE OVERSIGHT AS A CITIZENRY. 
          UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER BROADER CONCERN, AGAIN, OVER THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM OR NOT AS THE, UH, TAX PAYING CITIZEN. 
          UM, BUT IF THAT IS TO EXIST, THEN THE MINIMUM THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO GET THANK YOU, UH, IS AT LEAST SOME BILL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALSO SPEAKING ON ITEM A THREE, HALEY CAMPBELL. 
          HI, Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. 
          I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING. 
          THE PRIOR SPEAKER SAID, MY NAME IS HALEY CAMPBELL. 
          I LIVE IN AUSTIN WITH MY FAMILY, AND I'M THE MOM OF A TWO YEAR-OLD LITTLE GIRL. 
          AND SO WHEN I HEARD THAT OFTEN PARKS AND REC, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SURVEIL WOL WHERE I MIGHT TAKE MY DAUGHTER IN A BATHING SUIT. 
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UM, AND THOSE IMAGES ARE GOING TO BE FED INTO AN AI DATABASE FROM A COMPANY THAT I HAVE NO POWER TO, UM, PETITION TO REMOVE THOSE IMAGES FROM. 
          UH, I WAS EXTREMELY CONCERNED. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE NEWS LATELY ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ELON MUSK GROK AI CHATBOT. 
          THE PEOPLE ARE CREATING EXTREMELY DISTURBING IMAGES OF CHILDREN USING THAT TECHNOLOGY, AND I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING OR VETTING THE LEVEL OF SECURITY THAT'S GOING TO BE APPLIED TO IMAGES OF MY DAUGHTER IF I TAKE HER TO A PUBLIC POOL OR A PUBLIC PARK, AND THIS TECHNOLOGY IS PUT INTO PLACE. 
          UM, I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE CITY SPENDING MONEY USING, UH, AI ENABLED TECHNOLOGIES TO DO THIS. 
          AND I'M OPPOSED, IN LARGE PART BECAUSE I WORK WITH AI TECH AS PART OF MY JOB EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE TOOLS ARE UNTESTED, UNRELIABLE, AND INSECURE IN THE WAYS THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEING IMPLEMENTED. 
          MAYBE IN A DECADE OR TWO, THIS WILL BE AN OKAY IDEA TO CONSIDER, BUT RIGHT NOW AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY, WE DON'T WANT AUSTIN CHILDREN BEING GUINEA PIGS FOR, UM, THE, THE POSSIBLE SECURITY RISKS OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH SENSITIVE IMAGES OF LITTLE CHILDREN. 
          UM, SO I WOULD STRONGLY, STRONGLY OPPOSE THE CITY OF AUSTIN IMPLEMENTING THIS TECHNOLOGY ANYWHERE, BUT ESPECIALLY IN SETTINGS WHERE HIGH NUMBERS OF CHILDREN AND MINORS ARE GONNA BE PRESENT. 
          THAT'S JUST DEEPLY DISTURBING TO ME. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH ON ITEM A THREE, LINDA BAILEY. 
          GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, MAYOR PROAM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS LINDA BAILEY AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF ITEM A THREE ON MOBILE SECURITY CAMERAS. 
          THIS ITEM IS NARROWLY FOCUSED ON TEMPORARY TARGETED CAMERAS DEPLOYED WHERE CRIME IS OCCURRING. 
          IT DOES NOT INVOLVE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS OR CITYWIDE SURVEILLANCE, AND I THINK THAT DISTINCTION MATTERS. 
          WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS WORK IN AUSTIN WHEN MOBILE CAMERAS WERE SET UP IN COVERT PARK AND MOUNT BANAL VEHICLE BREAK-INS DROPPED BY 60% WHEN THE CAMERAS WERE REMOVED, THE CRIME RETURNED. 
          THAT'S A CLEAR LOCAL EXAMPLE OF PREVENTION WORKING BETTER AND COSTING LESS THAN REPEATED RESPONSE. 
          IN AREAS WHERE I LIVE, THE PENNYBACK OR BRIDGE OVERLOOK, WHICH FUNCTIONS LIKE A PARK, THE INCREASED VISITOR TRAFFIC HAS BROUGHT INCREASED THEFT AND VANDALISM. 
          APDS ONLINE CRIME VIEWER MAP FROM PAST YEARS NOTED THAT NEARLY 40 REPORTED CAR BURGLARIES IN THAT AREA IN ONE YEAR AND OTHER COVERAGE DESCRIBES AT LEAST A DOZEN VEHICLES BROKEN INTO AROUND THE OVERLOOK IN A SINGLE AFTERNOON. 
          THESE CAMERAS GIVE PARKS A FLEXIBILITY, DATA-DRIVEN TOOL TO RESPOND QUICKLY WITHIN LIMITS OVERSIGHT AND SHORT DATA RETENTION. 
          I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT ITEM A THREE AND KEEP OUR PARKS SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL NOW SWITCH TO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS ON ITEM A THREE, CHRIS FLORES, TOM SMITH, LEAF BROWN, HANS MAVERICK. 
          YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND BEGIN SPEAKING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS HANS MAVERICK. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT 10. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR WATSON. 
          MAYOR PROTE VELA, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU TODAY. 
          I'M HERE TO ASK Y'ALL NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM THREE ON THIS WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA. 
          PLEASE DON'T DEPLOY ANY RENTAL SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN AUSTIN PARKS. 
          HERE'S WHY I FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT THIS. 
          I FIRST MOVED TO AUSTIN IN 1989 AT THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF FRIENDS WHO LIVED HERE. 
          THEY DESCRIBED AUSTIN AS A PLACE THAT WAS VIBRANT, HIP, AND DIVERSE, WHERE PEOPLE DID THEIR OWN THING AND MINDED THEIR OWN BUSINESS. 
          AND THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE OF AUSTIN BACK THEN. 
          OVER TIME, HOWEVER, WHAT USED TO BE A CITY OF FREE THINKERS AND INDEPENDENT ENTREPRENEURS HAS INCREASINGLY BECOME THE PLAYGROUND OF CORPORATE TECH BROS. 
          I WANT US TO RESTORE THAT OLD FREEDOM IN AUSTIN. 
          I WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL FREE TO COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE ASSOCIATE WITH WHOM THEY WISH AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS, EVEN CONTROVERSIAL ONES. 
          I WANT MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS TO FEEL FREE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LIFE OF OUR CITY, INCLUDING OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE UNHOUSED OR UNDOCUMENTED. 
          ITEM THREE IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CORPORATE MANAGED FOR-PROFIT PROFIT SURVEILLANCE OF ORDINARY PEOPLE'S LIVES. 
          WHY YOU CAN MAKE REASONABLE ARGUMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE'S RIGHTS TO PRIVACY IN PUBLIC SETTINGS LIKE PARKS GATHERING ALL 
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THIS DATA MAKES ME WORRY ABOUT OUR RIGHTS UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT. 
          IF A PERSON DECIDES TO ATTEND A POLITICAL RALLY AT A PUBLIC PARK OR GO TO A FAMILY REUNION OR JUST HANG OUT WITH FRIENDS, THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED TO KEEP A RECORD OF THAT. 
          THE FOURTH AMENDMENT ALSO COMES TO MIND. 
          IF A PERSON HAS NOT BEEN CREDIBLY ACCUSED OF A CRIME, THEN THE AUTHORITIES HAVE NO RIGHT TO KEEP A RECORD OF THEIR COMINGS AND GOINGS. 
          WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN HOW AI CAMERAS ARE RACIALLY BIASED AND THEIR DATA CAN BE HACKED AND MISUSED. 
          WHY SHOULD WE EXPECT THIS TIME TO BE ANY DIFFERENT? SURELY THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO REDUCE CRIME IN PARKS THAT DON'T PUT OUR DATA IN THE HANDS OF UNACCOUNTABLE TECH COMPANIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE. 
          UH, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS CHRIS FLORES. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 10 COMMENTING NEUTRALLY ON AGENDA ITEM A THREE. 
          I'M HOPING TO PERSUADE YOU TODAY TO DELAY MOBILE SECURITY CAMERAS IN OUR PARKS BY REDOING THE BIDDING AND THE CONTRACT REVIEW PROCESS. 
          THERE'S NO DOUBT AUSTIN HAS A CRIME PROBLEM IN OUR PARKS. 
          THERE IS NO DOUBT THE DISMANTLING OF THE PARK POLICE UNIT OVER 10 YEARS AGO CORRELATES TO OUR CRIME STATISTICS TODAY. 
          UM, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT CAMERAS DO NOT REPLACE POLICE. 
          THEY DO, HOWEVER, OFFER A DETERRENT TO ABOUT HALF OF THE WOULDBE PERPETRATORS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OFFER EVIDENCE TO HELP POLICE PROSECUTE PARK CRIMES. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CONTRACT IN THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS IN OUR COUNTRY IN 2026 IS OF NO FAULT OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT STAFF THAT PUT IT TOGETHER. 
          THEY COULD NOT HAVE FORESEEN THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BE ON A SHOPPING SPREE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT SURVEILS CITIES FOR TARGET RICH AREAS. 
          TODAY, THE TARGETS ARE ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE TOMORROW WHO KNOWS WHO WILL BE TARGETED. 
          WE CANNOT, AS A CITY PAY TAX DOLLARS INTO THE TECHNOLOGY CLOUD SURVEILLANCE MACHINE. 
          THAT'S A MORAL ISSUE. 
          WE CAN, HOWEVER, SOLICIT BIDS FROM A CLOSE CIRCUIT CAMERA TECHNOLOGY THAT SAVES THE VIDEO ON A SELF-HOSTED LOCAL STORAGE SYSTEM THAT ONLY OUR TRUSTED AUSTIN POLICE CAN ACCESS. 
          THAT BRINGS ME TO MY CLOSING POINT. 
          THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BID THIS PARK CAMERA CONTRACT AND MANAGE ITS KEY PERFORMANCE ASSESSMENTS. 
          PARKS DEPARTMENT STAFF HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN THIS MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AS A DAILY SWIMMER WITH A POOL ASSAULT POLICE CASE, MYSELF, I CAN ATTEST THAT PARKS DEPARTMENT EXECUTIVES HAD TOLD ME PERSONALLY AND OTHER PARK CRIME SURVIVORS THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO BAN PEOPLE FROM PARKS AND POOLS. 
          ONLY THE POLICE CAN DO THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ON ITEM A THREE, LILLIAN ORTIZ, MARISSA LIPER, ERIC GREENFIELD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND BEGIN SPEAKING. 
          HI, MY NAME IS LILY. 
          HELLO, MEMBERS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND YOUR TIME. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE, PLEASE ASK THE COUNCIL TO NOT ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH LIVEVIEW. 
          AT THIS TIME, IT IS A DANGEROUS TIME FOR US TO ADD MORE SURVEILLANCE TO OURSELVES AND TO OTHERS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE DESERVE SAFE PLACES TO TAKE THEIR FAMILIES TO, TO WALK, TO ENJOY NATURE, THE SUN AND A PLACE TO REST. 
          WHAT THOSE SAME PEOPLE ALSO NEED IS THE RIGHT TO NOT BE WATCHED AND MONITORED AND SURVEILLED AT THE PARK. 
          DOES THE DATA REALLY STAND UP TO THIS IMMENSE NEED FOR CAMERAS IN OUR PARKS? WE HAVE MANY QUESTIONS. 
          MANY OF THE PLACES WITH HIGH CRIME IN THE CITY ARE HISTORICALLY UNDERFUNDED AND ARE STILL BEING KEPT. 
          SO, AND ADDING SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS TO AN ALREADY UNDERFUNDED OVERPOLICED, WHICH DOES NOT EQUATE TO A SAFER COMMUNITY OVER POLICING, PERPETUATE CYCLICAL POVERTY AND MENTAL ILLNESS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE US SAFER IN THE LONG RUN, MASS SURVEILLANCE DOES NOT EQUATE FRIENDS TO SAFETY. 
          WHAT WE CAN DO IS FIND A WAY TO WORK WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTS OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY BUILT. 
          WE CAN ENCOURAGE MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS, SO THE PARKS ARE BEING USED BY CITY AND UH, CITY COMMUNITIES, AND WE CAN PROVIDE SUBSIDIES TO SMALL BUSINESSES TO USE THE PARKS AS WELL. 
          PLEASE DO NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS CONTRACT. 
          THERE ARE OTHER WAYS WE CAN MAKE OUR PARKS SAFER. 
          YOU WANNA KNOW WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME IN PARKS IMMIGRANTS IN DISTRICT FOUR ACTIVISTS, PROTESTORS, WOMEN WITH YOUNG CHILDREN HELP US PROTECT OURSELVES AND HELP US PROTECT YOU AND HELP US PROTECT EACH OTHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          I'M MARISA BARREDA LIPS AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE SHEPHERD MOUNTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD 
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ASSOCIATION. 
          AND, UM, I HAVE A SPEECH IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I'M CHANGING IT. 
          UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW, I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT BE THE CAMERAS MIGHT BE A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY AND, UM, WE DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. 
          WE ACTUALLY SEE IT THE REVERSE BECAUSE WE, UM, WE DON'T SEE IT, BY THE WAY, AS MASS SURVEILLANCE. 
          WE SEE IT AS WE CAN'T STOP WHAT WE CAN'T SEE, AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO A PARK AND WE ARE SEEING A TRICKLE EFFECT. 
          WE HAVE WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING SORT OF A PUNITIVE TAX, WHICH IS OUR PARK. 
          THE PARK NEAR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY POPULAR, SO THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN CAR BREAK-INS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE'RE HAVING TO PAY FOR THE, TO RECOUP EXPENSES FROM THAT. 
          BUT MOREOVER, WE PAY TAXES ALREADY. 
          WE PAY TAXES TO SUPPORT OUR PUBLIC PARKS, AND WE DON'T FEEL SAFE GOING TO THESE PUBLIC PARKS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IF WE GO, CHANCES ARE HIGH THAT OUR VEHICLES WILL BE BROKEN INTO OR EVEN STOLEN, AND IT'S ANOTHER PUNITIVE TAX. 
          IT'S, WE WILL HAVE TO PAY TO REPAIR OUR CARS, MAYBE REPLACE THE CAR FOR THE CAR DAMAGE. 
          AND WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS THAT? IT'S A DISPROPORTIONATE TAX. 
          IT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT CAR REPAIR COMPANIES DON'T CHARGE TO REPAIR OUR CARS BASED ON OUR INCOME. 
          SO IT COULD BE $600, IT COULD BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS, IT COULD BE 1500. 
          MY 20-YEAR-OLD, 23-YEAR-OLD SON IS A UT STUDENT, AND HE TOOK A FRIEND OF HIS FROM OUTTA TOWN TO BULL CREEK PARK TO SHOW HER WHERE HE LOVES TO HIKE AND BIKE. 
          AND HER CAR, WHICH WAS LOCKED, HAD NOTHING ON THE SEATS, HAD NO TARGET SIGNS ON IT WAS BROKEN INTO. 
          SHE SPENT $600 TO FIX IT AND SHE WAS A COLLEGE STUDENT. 
          SO I'M OUTTA TOWN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. 
          SURE. 
          CONTINUING ON ITEM A THREE, WE HAVE TOM ROGERS, MARINA ROBERTS, CARLOS PINON, ALYSSA MATTHEWS. 
          RICH HAMAN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND BEGIN SPEAKING. 
          MY NAME IS MARINA ROBERTS. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF D FOUR TESTIFYING AGAINST THE PROPOSED LIVE VIEW CAMERAS. 
          ON BEHALF OF WORKERS' DEFENSE ACTION FUNDS MEMBERSHIP OF 6,000 PLUS IMMIGRANT WORKERS MASS SURVEILLANCE. 
          THE SINGLE MOST INDICATIVE DISTINGUISHING TRAIT OF TYRANNICAL REGIMES HAS QUIETLY EXPLODED IN OUR COUNTRY. 
          DRIVEN BY AI INNOVATION IN A NEW FRONTIER OF DOMESTIC APPLICATIONS. 
          OUR DATA DATA IS HARVESTED BY EVERYTHING FROM PHONES TO DOORBELL CAMERAS, AND A DEARTH OF REGULATIONS LEAVE TECH COMPANIES FREE TO BROKER THAT DATA FOR PROFIT ALL WITHOUT OBTAINING OUR INFORMED CONSENT. 
          THE IMPACTS OF THIS SURVEILLANCE ARE MATERIALIZING IN ALARMING WAYS WITH GRAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. 
          AN APP CALLED MOBILE FORTIFY GIVES ICE THE POWER TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE USING A COMBINATION OF FACIAL RECOGNITION, TECH AND LAYERED DATA SETS SOLD BY DATA BROKERS LIKE FLOCK AND LIVEVIEW. 
          THE APP PROVIDES YOUR NAME, THE NAMES OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS, POSSIBLE CITIZENSHIP INFORMATION AND MORE ICE AGENTS USE MOBILE FORTIFY TO ASSESS A PERSON'S LEGAL STATUS ON THE SPOT, ESSENTIALLY MAKING A DETERMINATIVE ASSUMPTION THAT IF THE APP IDENTIFIES YOU AS UNDOCUMENTED THAT YOU ARE, THEY'VE ARRESTED PEOPLE CONVICTED BY THE APP EVEN WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO PRODUCE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. 
          THE ARMS OF SURVEILLANCE REACHED BEYOND IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. 
          HOWEVER, THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTED, A MINNEAPOLIS WOMAN ENGAGED IN FULLY LAWFUL ICE WATCH ACTIVITY WAS PULLED OVER BY THE AGENTS SHE OBSERVED WHOSE ACCESS TO THESE TOOLS ALLOWED THEM TO GREET HER BY HER FIRST NAME. 
          TO INTIMIDATE HER. 
          THREE DAYS LATER, SHE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM DHS SAYING HER GLOBAL ENTRY IN TSA TRAVEL PRIVILEGES HAD BEEN REVOKED WITH NO EXPLANATION. 
          WHEN YOU APPROVE A RESOLUTION LIKE THIS LIVEVIEW CAMERA PROPOSAL, SOMETHING THE PARKS BOARD VOTED AGAINST LAST NIGHT, YOU ARE OPENING UP YET ANOTHER TRIBUTARY OF DATA FEEDING INTO THE OCEAN, POWERING THESE TOOLS. 
          AS ALWAYS, WHAT TARGETS IMMIGRANTS CAN AND WILL BE BROADENED TO TARGET AN EVER EXPANDING LIST OF US. 
          DO NOT ERECT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS SO ESSENTIAL TO BOTH MASS DEPORTATIONS IN THE SLOW CREEP OF AUTHORITARIANISM WHEN A SIMPLE CLOSED CAPTION, CLOSED CIRCUIT CAMERA WILL DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SPEAKERS FOR ITEM A THREE, NICOLE MAJESKI, FRAN, SAVANNAH LEE, DANIELA SILVA, PETER KIM, KEVIN WELCH, GREG STOKER. 
          PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME AND BEGIN SPEAKING. 
          GOOD MORNING, Y'ALL. 
          MY NAME IS SAVANNAH LEE. 
          I'M HERE WITH EQUITY ACTION REGISTERED AGAINST THE ITEM, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT ONE. 
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I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT'S DRIVING THIS CONVERSATION. 
          PEOPLE WANT PARKS WHERE THEY FEEL SAFE BRINGING THEIR KIDS, USING THE POOL, AND BEING IN COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S A REASONABLE EXPECTATION AND CITY COUNCIL HAS AN OBLIGATION TO TAKE THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY. 
          BUT THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU TODAY ISN'T WHETHER SAFETY MATTERS. 
          IT'S WHETHER THIS CONTRACT ACTUALLY HELPS TO DELIVER IT TODAY. 
          WHILE YOU'RE ALSO CONSIDERING A COMPREHENSIVE EFFICIENCY ASSESSMENT, THE CITY IS PREPARING TO SPEND MILLIONS ON A SURVEILLANCE CONTRACT JUST MONTHS AFTER VOTERS MADE CLEAR THEY'RE FRUSTRATED WITH WASTEFUL SPENDING. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE FACING $14 MILLION IN CUTS TO SOCIAL SERVICE CONTRACTS, PROGRAMS THAT ARE PROVEN TO PREVENT HARM AND HARM AND STABILIZE COMMUNITIES. 
          LIVEVIEW DOESN'T FIX THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE PARKS UNSAFE. 
          WHAT IT DOES IS EXPAND MASS SURVEILLANCE PRIMARILY IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AT A MOMENT WHEN FEDERAL AGENTS ARE ACTIVELY TARGETING IMMIGRANT FAMILIES IN AUSTIN. 
          WE KNOW FROM CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT SURVEILLANCE DATA IS ROUTINELY REPURPOSED FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT REGARDLESS OF LOCAL INTENT. 
          THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT IS ESPECIALLY RISKY. 
          LIVEVIEW DISCLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR INAC INACCURACIES IN ITS TECHNOLOGY, MEANING ANY HARM CAUSED BY FALSE MATCHES OR BIASED AI SYSTEMS FALLS ENTIRELY ON THE CITY. 
          AND THAT'S NOT HYPOTHETICAL. 
          FACIAL RECOGNITION TOOLS HAVE WELL-DOCUMENTED HIGHER ERROR RATES FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR. 
          THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS. 
          PARK STAFFING, MAINTENANCE, LIGHTING, AND COMMUNITY-BASED SAFETY STRATEGIES ALL IMPROVE, IMPROVE SAFETY WITHOUT TURNING PUBLIC SPACES INTO MONITORED ZONES. 
          JUST LAST FALL, COUNCIL CUT 5 MILLION FROM THE PARK BUDGET THAT WAS FOR THESE EXACT NEEDS. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? SPENDING $2 MILLION TODAY, CHOOSING THIS CONTRACT RIGHT NOW WHILE CUTTING SOCIAL SERVICES AMID HEIGHTENED FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF SAFETY THE CITY PRIORITIZES VOTE NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS DANIELLA SVA. 
          I'M THE AUSTIN POLICY COORDINATOR AT WORKERS DEFENSE ACTION FUND, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROPOSED CONTRACT WITH LIVEVIEW TECHNOLOGIES TO ESTABLISH TOOLS OF MASS SURVEILLANCE THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE GREAT HARM TO OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. 
          WE KNOW THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS ACTIVELY USING DATA COLLECTED BY MASS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES LIKE LIVEVIEW CAMERAS TO FACILITATE MASS DEPORTATIONS, TO HUNT ABORTION SEEKERS, AND TO TRACK POLITICAL PROTESTORS. 
          IN MANY CASES, POLICE ARE SHARING DATA WITH ICE AND OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES REGARDLESS OF THE LAW OR POLICY GUARDRAILS. 
          WITH RECENT NEWS STORIES ILLUMINATING AN ALARMING AMOUNT OF COLLABORATION BETWEEN A PD AND ICE, WE DO NOT WANT TO ADD TO THE DATA SETS THAT CREATE VULNERABILITIES FOR OUR IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS WHO MAY BE TARGETED UNDER THE INTERPRETATION OF SB FOUR DELINEATED IN CITY LEGAL'S RECENT MEMO. 
          IF ICE REQUEST DATA FROM THE LIVE VIEW TECHNOLOGY CAMERAS, A PD WOULD SEEM TO BE UNDER LEGAL OBLIGATION TO TURN THE DATA OVER. 
          THE ONLY SAFE DATA IS DATA THAT IS NOT COLLECTED. 
          IF THE INTENTION IS TO TURN CRIME BY THE PRESENCE OF CAMERAS, WHY CAN'T STANDARD CCTV CAMERAS, WHICH ARE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, SUFFICE OR EVEN FUNDING PARK RANGERS TO HAVE A PRESENCE AT THE PARKS? PAYING FOR SUCH AN EXPENSIVE CONTRACT FOR TECHNOLOGY WITH UNNECESSARY AI CAPABILITIES DURING A BUDGET CRISIS IS BOTH ETHICALLY AND FINANCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. 
          SIGNING THIS CONTRACT CREATES COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY RISK FOR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ACTIVELY BEING TARGETED BY THE FEDERAL AND STATE ADMINISTRATIONS. 
          OUR PUBLIC PARKS ARE PLACES OF SIGHT, REST, PLAY IN LEISURE. 
          THIRD SPACES WHERE FAMILIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAFELY HAVE AALA OUT OF THE BACK OF THEIR TRUCKS WITHOUT BEING WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEIR, UH, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SPACES THEY PAID FOR WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS WILL BE USED LATER TO KIDNAP THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN'S. 
          SO MANY OF OUR MEMBERS AT WORKERS' DEFENSE ARE ALREADY AFRAID TO LEAVE THEIR HOUSES TO DO BASIC THINGS LIKE PICK UP THEIR KIDS FROM SCHOOL OR GO GROCERY SHOPPING. 
          PARKS ARE ONE OF THE PLACES THEY STILL FEEL SOME SENSE OF SAFETY OUTSIDE OF THE HOME. 
          PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS ITEM AND, UM, TAKE IT OFF OF THE AGENDA FOR THURSDAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO. 
          UH, MY NAME'S PETER KIM. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT ONE, AND I'M ALSO HERE TO ASK THE COUNSELOR REJECT ENTERING INTO THIS CONTRACT WITH LIVEVIEW TECHNOLOGIES FOR THEIR A AI AI POWERED PARK SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS. 
          AND, UM, WHAT REALLY WORRIES ME HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, THESE CAMERAS ARE PART OF A LARGER AUTOMATED SYSTEMS. SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT LVT IS GONNA STORE A TON OF THIS VIDEO DATA ON THEIR PRIVATE SERVERS THAT WE HAVE NO REALLY INSIGHT INTO, AND THEN RUN THEIR AI MODELS OVER THEM TO GENERATE QUERYABLE ANNOTATIONS OF THAT VIDEO DATA. 
          THIS WILL THEN ALLOW OPERATORS TO ESSENTIALLY TYPE INTO A SEARCH BAR OF THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THE PARK AT THIS TIME TO THIS TIME? OR DID YOU SEE THIS PERSON FROM THIS TIME TO THIS TIME? AND THEN YOU ADD TO THE FACT THAT BY STATE LAW, AND AS DANIELLE STATED BEFORE ME, THAT YOU KNOW, ALL MUNICIPAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS HERE IN IN TEXAS ARE REQUIRED TO COOPERATE WITH ICE. 
          UM, AND A PD WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THIS DATA. 
          SO WHAT IS THERE REALLY TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, EVEN A MARGINALLY CREATIVE ICE AGENT FROM REQUISITIONING, THIS ANNOTATED VIDEO DATA FROM LVT JUST SO HE CAN MAKE QUOTA. 
          UM, AND I DON'T THINK I'M BEING HYPERBOLIC HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST YESTERDAY THERE WAS A SPATE OF KIDNAPPINGS IN THE NORTH LOOP NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOMEONE SHARED A VIDEO WITH ME OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE FIVE OR SIX OF THESE LIKE HEAVILY ARMED THUGS RUNNING UP ON 
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THIS ONE GUY THROWING HIM ON THE GROUND, SLAPPING CUFFS ON HIM, AND THEN TOSSING HIM INTO THE BACK OF A VAN AND SPEEDING AWAY WITH HIM. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE HE WAS JUST SOME ROAD DEBRIS THAT THEY WERE LIKE TRYING TO CLEAR OUT, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO ALL THIS IS SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY CARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, AND I THINK I HONESTLY DO, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT INCREASED SURVEILLANCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN TURBOCHARGED WITH AI AND PEDALED BY THESE PRIVATE COMPANIES WHOSE PRIMARY GOAL ABOVE ALL ELSE IS TO MAKE MONEY, DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE US SAFER. 
          I'M URGING COUNSEL TO STOP FALLING FOR THESE QUICK AND EASY SOLUTIONS AND INSTEAD DO THE LONG AND HARD WORK OF MEANINGFULLY INVESTING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE US SAFE, ESPECIALLY NOW. 
          ALYSSA MATTHEW, ITEM A THREE. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS ALYSSA MATTHEWS AND I'M HERE TESTIFYING IN OPPOSITION OF AGENDA ITEM THREE. 
          UH, THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE TESTIFIED BEFORE YOU TODAY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF DISCUSSING THE HARMS THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED TO PERPETRATE AGAINST MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO INSTEAD LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE THAT THIS COUNCIL IS BASING THEIR DECISION ON. 
          I REVIEWED THE MEMORANDUM, UM, PUBLISHED TO THE PUBLIC AND RELIED ON BY THIS COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS TECHNOLOGY WOULD PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AT ALL IN THAT MEMORANDUM. 
          THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF IT IS BASED ON THIS PILOT PROGRAM OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND THE ASSERTION THAT THE PILOT PROGRAM PROVED THAT THIS TECH REDUCES CRIMES IN OUR PARKS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE CITED WITHIN THAT MEMO, WE ACTUALLY CANNOT MAKE THAT CONNECTION. 
          ALL WE HAVE IS THAT MOST CORRELATION WE SEE THAT YES, THESE PARKS HAD CAMERAS, AND YES, THESE PARKS EXPERIENCED A REDUCTION IN CRIME. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITYWIDE CRIME STATS FOR THOSE SAME EXACT YEARS, THE ENTIRE CITY OF AUSTIN WAS EXPERIENCED A REDUCTION IN CRIME OVERALL AND FOR SPECIFICALLY THEFT REGARDING MOTORIZED VEHICLES, THE CRIME THAT SEEMED TO BE AT MOST CONCERN WITHIN THAT MEMO, WHICH MEANS WE DON'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF US NECESSARY TO DETERMINE THAT THESE CAMERAS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY REDUCTION IN CRIME, LET ALONE ENOUGH OF A REDUCTION TO WARRANT 400 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY OR THE HARM THAT CAN BE DONE AGAINST OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY, I STRONGLY URGE THE COUNCIL TO VOTE. 
          NO THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL, NOW MOVE TO, UH, REMOTE SPEAKERS ON ITEM A THREE. 
          MONICA GUZMAN. 
          MY NAME IS PAUL KEVIN WELCH. 
          GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. 
          I'M MONICA BUSMAN, POLICY DIRECTOR AT GAVA. 
          GO AUSTIN, BA AUSTIN. 
          WE ARE OPPOSED TO ITEM A THREE AND THEN WITH THOSE WHO ALSO SPOKE AGAINST IT, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, MANY SAY THIS IS NOT GOOD. 
          IT'S A VIOLATION OF PRIVACY, ESPECIALLY WHERE CHILDREN ARE CONCERNED. 
          IT'S MORE OF A DANGER TO OUR COMMUNITY OF COLOR, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE IMMIGRANTS, FAMILIES OF MIXED STATUS. 
          AND A CONCERN IS ALSO IS HOW, IN WHAT WAY WILL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT USE IT? YOU KNOW, BESIDES WHAT'S BRIEFLY STATED IN THE MEMO FOR THIS ITEM, I KNOW THAT THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AS, AS HAS BEEN SPOKEN BEFORE REGARDING THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATES WHEN THEY SHARED DATA, THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SHARE IT WITH ICE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT THEY HAVE DO SHARE IN OTHER CIRCLES THAT WOULD GO TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY, HAYES COUNTY COUNTY THAT DO SHARE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          WE, WE URGE COUNSEL TO WITHDRAW THIS ITEM TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON IT AND HOPEFULLY JUST GIVE IT A THUMBS DOWN AND DON'T LET IT GO FORWARD. 
          THAT 400,000 PLUS CAN GO TOWARDS BETTER USE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WELCH. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND, COME FORWARD. 
          THANKS FOR CALLING ME, MAYOR. 
          MAYOR. 
          SURE. 
          UM, HEY COUNCIL, UH, MY NAME'S KEVIN WELCH, CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD AT EFF AUSTIN. 
          I'M HERE TO URGE ALL OF YOU STRONGLY TO VOTE NO ON ITEM THREE. 
          UM, WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE WORK ON, UH, SAFEGUARDS THE COUNCIL HAS MADE SINCE THE LAST TIME THIS TO CONSIDERED, UM, FUNDAMENTALLY THIS IS A FAULT IDEA PERIOD, AND CANNOT BE REFORMED BY SAFEGUARDS. 
          I SHOULD POINT OUT, LITERALLY AS I WAS DRIVING HERE TO YOU TODAY, NPR WAS REPORTING ON HOW THANKS TO INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM FROM BEN JORDAN AND, UM, 4 0 4 MEDIA FLOCK SAFETY, UM, LITERALLY LEFT DOZENS AND DOZENS OF A LPR SERVERS EXPOSED TO THE INTERNET ACCESSIBLE BY ANYONE. 
          SO, ANY ASSERTIONS LIVEVIEW TECHNOLOGIES IS MAKING TO YOU THAT THEY CAN SOMEHOW DISABLE THE RISKS OF AI, KEEP THIS DATA SAFE. 
          I HAVE TO BE BLUNT, THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING 
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SURVEILLANCE TO YOU. 
          THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE THIS TO YOU. 
          I WORK AS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER. 
          I SEE DATA ABUSED AND MISUSED BY WELL-INTENTIONED PEOPLE EVERY DAY. 
          THE REALITY IS THE ONLY DATA THAT IS SAFE IS THE DATA THAT IS NOT COLLECTED. 
          THERE IS NO BUREAUCRATIC MEANS OF REFORMING THIS, AND THERE IS NO REASON TO TRUST A CONTRACT THAT HAS NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY THEY OWE US MONEY. 
          IF THEY LIE TO US, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO AUDIT THEIR CAMERAS. 
          AND YOU CAN'T IGNORE THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE. 
          THE THINGS THIS CITY DOES DO NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION. 
          WE ARE SEEING JOURNALISTS ARRESTED. 
          WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE SHOT AND KILLED. 
          YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT YOUR CITIZENS, AND YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THEIR SAFETY BY COLLECTING THIS DATA. 
          PARKS ARE A VITAL SPACE FOR PROTECTED FIRST AMENDMENT ACTIVITY. 
          AND I HATE TO SEE A WORLD THAT'S BEING NORMALIZED WHERE UNLESS YOU'RE RICH AND OWN A PRIVATE HOUSE, YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY. 
          THERE WAS A LITTLE TO NO CRIME IN THE SOVIET UNION. 
          PEOPLE DID NOT LOCK THEIR DOORS. 
          I DOUBT ANY OF YOU WOULD WANT TO LIVE THERE, DO THE RIGHT THING BY YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          I FUNDAMENTALLY REJECT THE IDEA THAT WE CAN'T SOLVE CRIME IN PARKS WITHOUT THESE CAMERAS. 
          THERE ARE LOW CRIME PARKS IN THIS CITY. 
          SO IT'S CLEARLY ABOUT PRIORITIES, NOT ABOUT ABILITY. 
          REJECT THE FALSE DICHOTOMY THAT SURVEILLANCE AND FUNDAMENTAL VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM. 
          VOTE NO THANK YOU SPEAKING REMOTELY ON ITEM A THREE, AARON PIERCE. 
          HELLO, THIS IS AARON PIERCE SPEAKING AGAINST ITEM THREE, UM, AT A TIME WHERE AI SURVEILLANCE IS BEING USED TO COMPILE INFORMATION ABOUT INDIVIDUALS EXERCISING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ONLY TO BE LABELED BY A DHS AS DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. 
          AND WITH A RECENT PASSAGE OF BENNETT BILL EIGHT, REQUIRING POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO WORK WITH ICE. 
          ANY COLLECTION OF DATA ON AUSTIN RESIDENTS SHOULD BE A CAUSE FOR CONCERN. 
          LIKE OTHERS HAVE SAID, THE ONLY SAFE DATA THAT CAN BE COLLECTED IS THAT WHICH IS NEVER COLLECTED AT ALL. 
          THE GOAL OF THESE CAMERAS IS TO REDUCE BREAK-INS AND INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT TAKING IN ACCOUNT WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY AT A NATIONAL LEVEL, THE DISPROPORTIONATE RISK OF DATA MISUSE AND HOW IT COULD IMPACT ON HOUSED INDIVIDUALS AND MINORITIES IN AUSTIN IS ANTITHETICAL TO THAT GOAL OF PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT CONCLUDES ALL SPEAKERS FOR ITEM A THREE. 
          WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM A 45. 
          WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE BRIGHT. 
          AND SUMMERS AND CAROL GUTHRIE. 
          GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I'M BRIAN SUMMERS, PRESIDENT OF ASME LOCAL 1624, THE UNION FOR CITY OF AUSTIN AND TRAVIS COUNTY EMPLOYEES. 
          UH, WE SHARE A LOT OF THE SAME VALUES AND WHAT THE INTENDED OUTCOMES ARE FOR THIS ORDINANCE. 
          UH, WE WANT TO ALSO ENSURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING EFFECTIVE SERVICE DELIVERY, GETTING IN A BETTER FINANCIAL SITUATION FOR THE CITY AND AVOIDING A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE AUDITS. 
          BUT FOR US, THE DETAILS ARE REALLY, THE LACK OF DETAILS ARE WHAT IS CAUSING US SOME CONCERNS. 
          UM, AS I HOPE, YOU KNOW, WE SENT YOUR OFFICES A LETTER YESTERDAY DETAILING SOME OF THOSE, UH, ISSUES THAT WE ARE, UM, SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE TAKING ISSUE WITH. 
          UH, NOW THIS IS JUST THE SECOND TIME THAT THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED BY COUNSEL. 
          UH, AND, AND BEFORE IT IS SCHEDULED FOR A VOTE ON THURSDAY. 
          I KNOW THAT SINCE I'M GOING FIRST, MAYBE TODAY, YOU WILL BE ANSWERING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AND I CERTAINLY HOPE SO. 
          UH, BUT WITHOUT GREATER CLARITY, WE AT THIS TIME CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AND WE THINK IT EITHER NEEDS TO BE POSTPONED OR SOME CHANGES MADE TO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. 
          A FEW OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING IS IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, WHY IS THIS MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT CONSULTATION WITH THE UNION AND THE COMMUNITY? WHAT GUARANTEES ARE THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HELP SHAPE THE SCOPE OF THE THIRD PARTY CONTRACT? IF THE BALLOT MEASURE FROM SAVE AUSTIN NOW IS NOT SUCCESSFUL, IS THAT A MESSAGE THAT THE RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT US TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY AUDIT? CONVERSELY, IF THE BALLOT BALLOT MEASURE IS SUCCESSFUL, THEN WOULD WE HAVE TWO MANDATES TO BE GOING FORWARD WITH THIRD PARTY EFFICIENCY, UH, STUDIES? AND WHAT DO WE DO IN THAT SITUATION? UH, IN TERMS OF COST, WE HEARD VERY LITTLE INFORMATION PROVIDED AT THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          WE KNOW THAT THESE CONTRACTS ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. 
          THE OTHER ONES WITH, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. 
          UH, AND SO WE'D LIKE TO KNOW, HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND WHEN WHAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO COUNCIL? WILL COUNCIL BE TAKING VOTES ON ANY ACTION PLANS OR RECOMMENDATIONS BROUGHT FORWARD? UH, SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME ANSWERS TO AS YOU CONTINUE WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. GUTHRIE. 
          YES. 
          UM, GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          CAROL GUTHRIE, BUSINESS MANAGER FOR AME. 
          UM, I AM HERE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OF ITEM 45, NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T SUPPORT EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT. 
          WE DO, AND WE KNOW THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS 
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ROOM TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT. 
          OUR CONCERN IS THE SPEED IN WHICH THIS IS MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, WE NEED TO HAVE GUARANTEES THAT OUR WORKFORCE WILL NOT BE CONTRACTED OUT, THAT THERE WILL NOT BE LAYOFFS. 
          THAT YES, CITY EMPLOYEES CAN HELP YOU AND ASSIST YOU IN IDENTIFYING WASTE. 
          THEY KNOW WHERE IT IS, THEY SEE IT EVERY DAY, AND WE WANT THEM TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. 
          BUT THIS PROCESS IS MOVING SO QUICKLY, UM, THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVEN'T BUILT THINGS IN THAT DO PROTECT THE WORKERS, AND THAT WE HAVEN'T DEFINED WHAT THIS ASSESSMENT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DO AND WHERE IT GOES AND WHO AUTHORIZES IT. 
          THERE ARE JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING YOU TO SLOW DOWN. 
          THIS WILL BE AN ORDINANCE, IT WILL BE ON THE BOOKS, AND WE WANT IT TO, WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE PROTECTED NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THAT CONCLUDES ALL SPEAKERS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS FOR EVERYBODY THAT CAME AND SPOKE TO US. 
          UM, MEMBERS, 
          [A2. Approve an ordinance amending the Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Austin Arts, Culture, Music, and Entertainment Operating Budget (Ordinance No. 20250813-005) to increase revenue and appropriations by $510,000 for operations at the Millenium Youth Entertainment Complex. Funding: $510,000 is projected to be available from revenue collected at the Millennium Youth Entertainment Complex.]
WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UH, THE AGENDA ITEMS IN THE ORDER THAT, UH, THEY'RE LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO WE'LL FIRST GO TO ITEM A TWO AND, UH, THAT ITEM, AND BY THE WAY, ALL OF THESE ITEMS WERE PULLED, INCLUDING ITEM NUMBER 44, I MEAN 45, WHICH I HAD INDICATED. 
          UH, WE WOULD PULL NO MATTER WHAT. 
          AND, AND SO IT, IT'S, IT'S BEEN PULLED AS WELL SINCE THEY'RE ALL PULLED ITEMS. WHAT I THINK I'LL DO IS START WITH THE PERSON THAT, UH, IN THE DISCUSSION THAT PULLED THE ITEM AND SO ON. 
          ITEM TWO, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER MADISON. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, SO WITH ITEM TWO, I, I PULLED IT BECAUSE I WANTED THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND MY COLLEAGUES TO ALL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF HEAR THE, THE LATEST ON WHERE WE ARE WITH, UM, MILLENNIUM YOUTH ENTERTAINMENT COMPLEX, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE IC. 
          NOW VERY NEWLY UNDER THE, UH, STEWARDSHIP OF, UH, ACME. 
          I ALMOST SAID THE NEWLY FORMED ACME, BUT Y'ALL AIN'T NEW NO MORE. 
          IT'S 26. 
          AND SO, UM, I WANTED TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER SOME CLARITY ABOUT THIS EXPENDITURE, WHAT IT DOES, WHAT IT DOESN'T DO, WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM, WHERE IT DOESN'T COME FROM. 
          AND, UM, JUST, UH, UH, OPEN THE FLOOR TO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ITEM. 
          AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A SUPER CRITICAL, UM, CITY OF AUSTIN ASSET AND VERY MUCH A, A GYM AND DISTRICT ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, DIRECTOR MEANS GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS ANGELA, MEANS I'M THE DIRECTOR FOR THE AUSTIN ARTS CULTURE MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          AND IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. 
          UH, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE REVENUE FOR THE MILLENNIUM. 
          THE FIRST THING I WANNA SAY IS, THIS IS NOT NEW REVENUE. 
          THE, IT TAKES $1.3 MILLION TO OPERATE THE MILLENNIUM YOUTH ENTERTAINMENT ENTERTAINMENT CENTER OR COMPLEX THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT HAS TAKEN IN THE PAST THAT HAS COME FROM $800,000 HAS BEEN THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S CONTRIBUTION WITH THE ADDITIONAL 500,000 THAT'S GENERATED FROM REVENUE AT THE SITE. 
          THAT INCLUDES BOWLING SKATING, OUR SPECIAL EVENT, UH, RENTALS. 
          UH, ALL OF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT THIS ITEM SPECIFICALLY IS, IS BECAUSE THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, SINCE NOVEMBER, UM, IS NOW MANAGING AND OPERATING THIS FACILITY, THE REVENUE NEEDS TO BE APPROPRIATED TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN VERSUS, UH, THE PRIOR THIRD PARTY CONTRACT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL THIS, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENT IS, UH, THAT CERTAINLY SATISFIES MY, UH, MY CURIOSITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, MEANS APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE. 
          THAT'LL TAKE 
          [A3. Authorize a contract for the rental of a mobile security trailer and monitoring services for various parkland areas for Austin Parks and Recreation with LiveView Technologies d/b/a LVT, for an initial term of three years with up to two one-year extension options in an amount not to exceed $2,000,000. Funding: $400,000 is available in the Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Operating Budget of Austin Parks and Recreation. Funding for the remaining contract term is contingent upon available funding in future budgets.]
US TO ITEM A THREE. 
          UH, AND I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER SIEGEL AS THE, UH, MEMBER THAT PULLED ITEM A THREE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. 
          UM, I PULLED THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AT WORK SESSION BECAUSE SINCE OUR DISCUSSION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO REGARDING AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MAYOR PRO TE VELA ON A POLICY, UH, THAT HE HAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS THURSDAY TO CREATE A SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY FOR THE CITY. 
          AND THE NEED FOR THE SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY WAS SHOWN IN THE A LPR CONTEXT WHEN COUNCIL ADOPTED STRONG GUIDELINES FOR LPR. 
          BUT THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCK DID NOT FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINE GUIDELINES. 
          AND IN THIS ERA OF NEW TECHNOLOGY, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, BIG DATA, AND WIDESPREAD SURVEILLANCE, WE NEED TO BUILD STRONG INTERNAL SYSTEMS, ESPECIALLY IN THE PROCUREMENT 
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PROCESS, TO TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE BUYING AS A CITY AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          BECAUSE BUYING CAMERAS NO LONGER MEANS JUST CAMERAS. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THIS ITEM MEETS COUNCIL'S AND COMMUNITIES EXPECTATIONS. 
          UM, I DO WANNA START BY ACKNOWLEDGING, UH, THE ABSOLUTE NECESSITY AND WORTHY GOAL OF REDUCING CRIME AND PARKS FACILITIES. 
          NO ONE WANTS MORE BREAK-INS AT THE PARKS. 
          NO ONE WANTS MORE VANDALISM OR LESS SAFETY. 
          UM, I VERY MUCH ENJOY HIKING BULL CREEK AND CLIMBING THE STEPS AT MOUNT BONNE, AND I WOULD NEVER WANT TO COME BACK TO MY CAR TO SEE BROKEN GLASS AND MISSING BELONGINGS. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY IS HOW TO BEST ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF DETERRING CRIME AND PROTECTING THE WELFARE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS WITHOUT SIMULTANEOUSLY CAUSING HARM. 
          AND IN PARTICULAR, HOW CAN WE PROTECT AGAINST A PRIVATE COMPANY ACQUIRING THE DATA OF OUR MOVEMENTS AND ACTIVITIES AND EITHER MONETIZING THAT DATA AND SELLING IT TO OTHERS, OR TURNING IT OVER TO OUTSIDE AGENCIES WHO MAY USE IT TO VIOLATE THE CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS OF OUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA START WITH SOME QUESTIONS OF, UM, STAFF AND, UH, GREAT TO SEE Y'ALL. 
          UH, MY QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE FOCUSED ON THE Q AND A RESPONSES THAT WERE, UH, PUBLICLY POSTED LAST NIGHT, OR THEY SHARED, UH, AS WELL AS THE MEMO OF, UH, JANUARY 26TH THAT WAS SENT TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, JUST SO TO START, UM, IN THE Q AND A PUBLISHED YESTERDAY, IT WAS WRITTEN THAT QUOTE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S CURRENT CURRENT SECURITY REQUIREMENTS MANDATE THAT THESE AI FEATURES REMAIN DISABLED BY DEFAULT. 
          AND SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, WHAT FEATURES IN THE LIVE VIEW, UM, CONTRACT WOULD VIOLATE OUR CURRENT SECURITY REQUIREMENTS? UM, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE TODAY. 
          I'M AMANDA ROSS. 
          I'M WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, I'M DIVISION MANAGER FOR NATURAL RESOURCES. 
          UM, I'M JOINED HERE BY OUR DIRECTOR AS WELL, AS WELL AS, UM, DR. 
          BRIAN FROM, UM, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, UM, AS WELL AS WE HAVE PROCUREMENT STAFF TOO. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL HELP FULLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS KIND OF AS A GROUP TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO SPECIFICALLY, UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT IS A CONCERN FOR. 
          AND SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN DO THAT WE HAVE ASKED IN THE CONTRACT REQUIRED IN THE CONTRACT FOR IT TO BE DISABLED. 
          WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS TODAY AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO SO. 
          UM, DID YOU WANT A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT THE CAMERAS ARE CAPABLE OF THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISABLED? YES, PLEASE. 
          SO ONE THING THAT IT CAN DO, UM, THAT WE, FIRST OF ALL I THINK WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT JUST AS A PARKS DEPARTMENT IS, UM, IT CAN BE, LET'S SAY IT CAN SAY IT CAN GO OFF AND TELL SOMEONE THAT IT IS AFTER HOURS AND THAT IS CURRENTLY PAST PARK CURFEW. 
          IT COULD BE 2:00 AM AND SOMEONE'S IN THE PARK AND IT COULD COME ON AND SAY, THE PARK IS CLOSED, PLEASE LEAVE. 
          THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS FOR THAT JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, OBVIOUSLY MANY OF OUR PARKS ARE IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, VOLUME, ALL THOSE KINDS OF CONCERNS AS WELL. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT USE. 
          WE DON'T SEE IT AS THE PRIORITY FOR THIS PROGRAM. 
          ARE THERE OTHER, UM, FEATURES THAT WOULD VIOLATE OUR CURRENT SECURITY REQUIREMENTS? SO, UM, THE ABILITY FOR SOME OF THE, SORRY, DR. BRIAN GARDNER. 
          I AM THE INTERIM CHIEF INFORMATION SECURITY OFFICER HERE. 
          UM, SO SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT, THAT THE SOFTWARE IS, UH, HAS THE ABILITY TO DO, WON'T BE ENABLED AS A PART OF OUR SECURITY CONTROLS AND PRIVACY ASSESSMENT ARE BEING ABLE TO CORRELATE INFORMATION WITHIN THE SYSTEM. 
          THE, THE, THE, THOSE FEATURES WILL NOT BE ENABLED AS A PART OF THE CONTROLS AND THE CONFIGURATION FOR THE SOFTWARE. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER FEATURES THAT WOULD VIOLATE OUR CURRENT SECURITY REQUIREMENTS? NOT, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          UH, COLLECTION OF THE DATA AND DATA RETENTION. 
          THOSE WILL BE CONTROLS THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE AND ALSO FOLLOWED UP THROUGH, UH, THE CONFIGURATION AND AFTER ASSESSMENT ONCE THE CONFIGURATION FOR THE SOFTWARE HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          AND WHAT SECURITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHEN YOU IDENTIFY THESE FEATURES OF THE DEVICE? SO, UH, UNDER CURRENT POLICY, UH, AI HAS TO GO THROUGH A TECHNOLOGY SELECTION PROCESS LIKE ANY OTHER TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND AS A PART OF OUR TECHNOLOGY SELECTION PROCESS, AI HAS BEEN ELEVATED TO A POINT WHERE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE USE OF AI AND THAT DATA THAT IS, THAT AI IS USING, UM, IS CONTROLLED AND MAINTAINED WITHIN OUR CONTROL WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO IS THAT THE MAIN POLICY? YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AI POLICY WE HAVE AROUND, UH, THE USE OF THE VIDEO DATA ITSELF? YEAH. 
          USING AI TO BE ABLE TO CORRELATE AND, UH, UH, USE 
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THINGS LIKE FACIAL RECOGNITION, WHICH, UH, HAS SOME, A LOT OF CONCERN. 
          SO THOSE FEATURES WON'T BE ENABLED. 
          IT'LL BE PURELY, UH, CORREL, UH, BRINGING THE DATA INTO THE SERVERS, ENCRYPTING THE DATA, THOSE KIND OF SECURITY POLICIES, UH, CONTROLLED ACCESS AROUND THE SECURITY, UH, THINGS LIKE MULTIFACTOR, UH, SINGLE SIGN-ON THAT ALLOW ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOW, UH, AUTHORIZED INTO THOSE SYSTEMS TO BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE VIDEO DATA. 
          UH, DR. GARDNER WAS IT, UH, YES, SIR. 
          UM, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE PROPOSED SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY THAT MAYOR PRO TELA HAS PUT FORWARD? YES, SIR. 
          I HAVE. 
          HAS STAFF CREATED AN ANALYSIS OF THIS VENDOR CONTRACT THAT WOULD, UM, COMPLY WITH THAT POLICY THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT? YES, SIR. 
          SO, UH, MY STAFF DOES NOT ONLY THE SECURITY CONTROLS AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT ALSO THE PRIVACY CONTROLS, WHICH ENTAILS A PRIVACY IMPACT ANALYSIS OF WHAT THOSE, HOW THIS COULD BE OR SHOULD NOT BE USED IN THAT. 
          AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THEN PROVIDED TO THE DEPARTMENT TO MAKING SURE THAT THOSE CONTROLS ARE IN PLACE FROM NOT JUST THE SECURITY PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO THE PRIVACY IMPACT. 
          ARE YOU AWARE THAT MAYOR PRO TEMS PO OR YEAH, MAYOR PRO TEMS PROPOSED POLICY WOULD REQUIRE PUBLICATION OF THAT ANALYSIS TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO A COUNCIL VOTE? YES, SIR, I AM. 
          AND HAS THAT ANALYSIS THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS ITEM BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC? NOT AS OF YET, SIR. 
          OKAY, THANKS SIR. 
          UM, I HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR PARK STAFF. 
          UH, DID THE CITY CONSIDER USING, I GUESS WHAT WE COULD CALL DUMB CAMERAS, UH, INSTEAD OF AI ASSISTED AND VERY EXPENSIVE SYSTEMS? UM, SO ULTIMATELY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT PLACING SOME OF THESE CAMERAS KIND OF NECESSITATES WHAT THE CAMERA IS, RIGHT? SO WE ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING THESE IN LOCATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE POWER THERE. 
          THEY DO NOT HAVE, UM, THEY, THEY GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF CLOUD SYSTEM TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DATA IS SAVED AT AS PART OF IT AS WELL. 
          UM, WE DID A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL AND KIND OF PUT OUT THERE WHAT WE NEEDED, AND THIS WAS A VENDOR THAT WAS SELECTED THAT MET THOSE NEEDS. 
          BUT ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE RFP REQUESTED AN AI SYSTEM? IT DID INCLUDE THE IDEA THAT WHAT SOME OF THE SEARCH ABILITY WITHIN IT, SO BEING ABLE TO TELL IF IT'S A DOG, BEING ABLE TO TELL IF IT'S A PERSON BEING ABLE TO TELL IF IT'S A BIKE, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH DO HELP AND AID KIND OF THE REVIEW OF THE, THE, THE SYSTEM ITSELF. 
          BUT IF A VENDOR HAD A NON-AI SYSTEM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO APPLY TO THIS RRFP 'CAUSE THE RFP REQUESTED AI SYSTEMS, CORRECT? UM, I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THAT MORE DETAIL. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, I WANT TO KIND OF MOVE OVER TO THE JANUARY 26TH MEMO FROM STAFF. 
          UM, IN THE MEMO PUBLISHED ON JANUARY 26TH, IT WAS ASSERTED THAT QUOTE, UNDER THE PROPOSED CONTRACT, THE CITY MAINTAINS SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE OWNERSHIP OF ALL SYSTEM DATA, WHILE THE TECHNOLOGY PROVIDER LVT IS CONTRACTUALLY BARRED FROM ACCESSING, SHARING, OR UTILIZING THE FOOTAGE FOR ANY PURPOSE, INCLUDING AI TRAINING OR THIRD PARTY DISTRIBUTION. 
          BUT I, MY STAFF REQUESTED THE PROPOSED CONTRACT AND THERE WERE NO CONTRACTUAL PROVISIONS THAT WOULD BAR LVT FROM ACCESSING THE DATA AND USING IT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES IT WISHED. 
          I NOTIFIED STAFF LAST WEEK THAT THESE PROVISIONS WERE MISSING AND STAFF SAID THEY WOULD WORK TO ALTER THE CONTRACT TO INCLUDE THESE PROVISIONS. 
          YESTERDAY MY OFFICE WAS TOLD THAT STAFF IS STILL WORKING ON AN ADDITION TO THE CONTRACT AND THAT AS OF LAST NIGHT, L-V-D-L-V-T HAS NOT AGREED TO IT OR EVEN SEEN IT YET. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? SO WE HAVE AN ADDENDUM TO THE CONTRACT THAT TOOK THE PRIVACY AND TECHNOLOGY REVIEW AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT CONTRACT AS WELL. 
          AND SO AS PART OF ANY CONTRACT PROCESS, WE'RE, WE'RE IN NEGOTIATION WITH THEM, AND WE WOULD HEAR NOT ONLY FROM TAKING THE INFORMATION FROM OUR TECHNOLOGY SERVICES TEAM, BUT ALSO FROM OUR PRIVACY TEAM AS WELL AS COUNCIL, AND ANYTHING THAT WE ARE DIRECTED TO DO, ANY CITY POLICY WE'LL MAKE SURE IS IN THE CONTRACT THAT'S, UM, STANDARD CITY PROCUREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW ALL GUIDANCE THAT WERE GIVEN, UM, AND THAT THE GUIDANCE THAT WE GOT FROM THE TECHNOLOGY SERVICES IS WHAT INFORMED THE INFORMATION IN THAT MEMO. 
          AND SO IT WAS ALWAYS THE INTENTION FOR THAT TO BE AS AN ADDENDUM TO MOVING FORWARD WITH IT, THAT IT IS A CURRENTLY A DRAFT, UM, WITH THE IDEA THAT OUR GOAL IS TO HEAR BACK FROM, FROM, FROM COUNSEL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE NEEDS APPROPRIATELY. 
          AND TO BE CLEAR, I I'M NOT HERE TODAY TO CRITICIZE STAFF, BUT THE MEMO SAYS CONTRACTUALLY BARRED AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LAWYERS IN THE ROOM HERE, BUT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS LVT HAS NOT AGREED TO THESE PROVISIONS. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH LVT 
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ON THAT. 
          UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT HOW MUCH I CAN SPEAK TO BEYOND THAT, BUT IF THEY DO NOT AGREE TO IT, THEN, THEN WE, THE CONTRACT WOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD. 
          YEAH, MY CONCERN IS MORE ABOUT PROCESS HERE THAT A PUBLIC MEMO WAS DISTRIBUTED THAT WASN'T TRUE WHEN IT WAS PUBLISHED. 
          AND TO ME, THIS GOES TO THE POINT OF WHY WE NEED A SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY. 
          WE NEED A SUNSHINE, UH, A TWO WEEK WINDOW AT LEAST, SO THE PUBLIC CAN EVALUATE THESE CONTRACTS AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC TRUST. 
          WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY ABOUT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS PEOPLE ARE FEELING RIGHT NOW IN THIS MOMENT OF HISTORY. 
          AND WHEN A MEMO IS DISTRIBUTED, IT CONTAINS AN ASSERTION THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY BACKED UP. 
          THAT REALLY GIVES ME PAUSE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT MY CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, THERE'S OTHER PROVISIONS HERE, UH, AND CLAIMS THAT SEEM TO BE SIMILAR IN THAT THEY'RE ASPIRATIONAL, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF LVT WILL AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US AS IF THEY HAVE ALREADY AGREED. 
          UM, THERE'S A, A PROVISION THAT SAYS THE CONTRACT HAS NO TRAINING CLAUSES, WHICH PREVENT THE VENDOR FROM USING CITY DATA TO TRAIN THEIR AI MODELS. 
          IS THAT IN THE CONTRACT THAT LVT HAS AGREED TO? SO WE HAVE AN ADDENDUM TO THE CONTRACT, AND THAT IS IN THE ADDENDUM TO THE CONTRACT, BUT THE ADDENDUM HAS NOT BEEN AGREED TO BY LVT. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHAT THE COUNCIL ITEM IS, IS FOR NEGOTIATION AND APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT. 
          AND THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT IS, UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING AGAIN IS WE HAVE TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM, BUT THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD UNLESS THAT WAS AGREED UPON. 
          I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THE POINT, BUT COLLEAGUES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE LAW DEPARTMENT HAS NOT EVEN REVIEWED THIS SO-CALLED ADDENDUM. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THE AI SEARCH FUNCTION WILL BE TURNED ON. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? CAN I UNDERSTAND? A WHICH A, THE AI SEARCH FUNCTION TO SEARCH THE LIVE VIEW SYSTEM USING AI TOOLS. 
          OKAY. 
          THE Q AND A SAYS, THE SYSTEM PROVIDES SEARCH AND ANALYTICAL CAPABILITIES TO AID HUMAN OPERATORS IN INVESTIGATIONS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, AUTHORIZED STAFF CAN FILTER FOOTAGE FOR BROAD PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, SUCH AS A SPECIFIC VEHICLE COLOR OR BEHAVIORS LIKE LOITERING TO SAVE TIME DURING POST CRIME INVESTIGATIONS. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, MY CONCERN IS HOW WOULD THE AI DECIDE WHEN SOMEONE IS LOITERING? SO IT, IT TAKES STANDARD INFO. 
          SO WHAT IT CAN DO IS IT CAN SAY THERE'S A PERSON THERE, RIGHT? SO IT CAN TELL US IF THERE'S A PERSON WE CAN KIND OF, UM, SEARCH IN ON WHETHER THERE'S A PERSON, WHETHER THERE'S A DOG, WHETHER THERE'S A BIKE YOU CAN DO BY COLOR. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT IT HELPS WITH IS HELPS WITH THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, SO IT'S KIND OF THE BASIS OF THE SEARCH FUNCTION ITSELF. 
          CAN YOU SEE THAT THIS TOOL COULD BE ABUSED, FOR EXAMPLE, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, AI ASSISTED SEARCHES OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS HAVE BEEN USED FOR STALKING AND OTHER APPROPRIATE REASONS. 
          WILL THERE BE AN AUDIT OF THE REASONS GIVEN FOR THE SEARCHES OF THE SYSTEM? SO, UM, WITHIN THE SYSTEM, A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND SECURITY CONTROLS THAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AND WILL FOLLOW UP IS BEING ABLE TO, UH, ENFORCE AUDIT CONTROL TO ACCESS. 
          SO WE WILL KNOW WHO ACCESSED THE SYSTEM AND WHAT THEY WERE A ACTUALLY PULLED WITHIN THE SYSTEM. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMEND SECURITY CONTROL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE FEEL IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ENFORCE. 
          THANK YOU DOCTOR. 
          UM, DOCTOR, ARE YOU AWARE THAT IN THE A LPR CONTEXT THAT, UH, A REVIEW FOUND THAT, UH, ABOUT 20% OF THE SEARCHES WERE NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE GENERAL ORDERS AND COUNSEL POLICY? UH, UH, SORRY, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT THANK YOU. 
          UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY ATTEMPTS, UH, TO CREATE AN OVERSIGHT STRUCTURE THAT WOULD AVOID THAT, UH, OUTCOME? NO, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT, UM, WHEN YOU SET UP AUTO, UH, AUDITING CAPABILITIES WITHIN A SYSTEM, YOU CREATE AN IMMUTABLE SYSTEM OR IMMUTABLE AUDIT. 
          SO THAT DATA IS NO LONGER RESIDING IN THAT SYSTEM. 
          YOU'RE PULLING THAT AUDIT OUT, AND SO WE WON'T, IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE, UH, CIRCUMVENTED IN AS FAR AS AN AUDIT CAPABILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WELL, I'LL CONCLUDE MAYOR. 
          UM, JUST BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, TO ME THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THESE CAMERAS DO, WHAT AI CAPABILITIES THEY HAVE, WHAT PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE, AND WHAT MIGHT BE PROHIBITED IN THE CONTRACT. 
          AND AS OF LAST NIGHT, STAFF WAS STILL DRAFTING CONTRACT LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE THE PROTECTIONS OUTLINED IN THE JANUARY 26TH MEMO. 
          THE VENDOR HASN'T SEEN THESE PROVISIONS AS FAR AS I KNOW, AND I'M NOT STILL, I'M STILL NOT SURE WHAT WE WOULD BE VOTING ON THURSDAY, AND IF I'M CONFUSED, I'M SURE THE PUBLIC IS TOO. 
          I DON'T THINK THIS IS STAFF'S FAULT. 
          UH, I BELIEVE COUNSEL HAS A DUTY TO CREATE CLEAR EXPECTATIONS, UH, ABOUT 
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WHAT KIND OF PROTECTIONS WE WANT IN THESE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS. AND, UH, I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING OVERTIME TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE HAVE, BUT WE NEED CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE NEED MAYOR PRO TEM VELAS TRUST ACT. 
          SO THAT INSTEAD OF FIGURING IT OUT WHAT WE'RE, OR INSTEAD OF FIGURING OUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON DURING WORK SESSIONS, STAFF PRESENTS ALL THIS INFORMATION TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC IN A CLEARLY OUTLINED WAY TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING VIA THE SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY. 
          GIVEN THAT COLLEAGUES, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THIS ITEM ON THURSDAY. 
          WE NEED MORE TIME, THE PUBLIC NEEDS MORE TIME, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE VENDOR NEEDS MORE TIME TO REVIEW ALL THIS NEW CONTRACT LANGUAGE. 
          SO I WANT TO PROPOSE THAT THIS CONTRACT BE THE FIRST TEST CASE FOR THE SURVEILLANCE POLICY AMERIPRO TEVE IS BRINGING, AND THAT AFTER WE VOTE ON THAT SURVEILLANCE POLICY STAFF COMES BACK TO US WITH A USE POLICY FOR THESE PARK CAMERAS THAT WE CAN ALL SEE TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE VOTE. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DOESN'T NEED THESE CAMERAS UNTIL THIS SUMMER AND THAT THIS SHOULD BE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTPONED BEFORE AND THERE WERE FEELINGS OF URGENCY, BUT WE'RE IN A NEW WORLD NOW. 
          WE'VE ALL SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH ICE, THE WAY THEY'RE TAPPED INTO, OR TAPPING INTO PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS. AND IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER THAT WE CAREFULLY CONSIDER ALL THE FACTS BEFORE VOTING ON A CONTRACT WITH A PRIVATE VENDOR FOR AI POWERED SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT COULD RUN THE RISK OF VIOLATING OUR RESIDENTS CIVIL LIBERTIES. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CADRE FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER LANE AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER UL. 
          UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          WELL, A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          WHAT TYPE OF CAMERAS ARE CURRENTLY USED? UH, AT OUR PARK ON OUR, AT OUR PARKS AND ON OUR TRAIL HEADS? SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF CAMERAS CURRENTLY U IN USE IN THE PARK SYSTEM. 
          WE HAVE CAMERAS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS, PARTICULARLY OUR NEWER BUILDINGS. 
          THERE'S SECURITY CAMERAS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. 
          UM, THEY ARE CCTV CAMERAS ON OUR, OUR BUILDINGS AS WELL. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE SOME AT OUR TRAIL HEADS, UM, AND, AND ALONG THE TRAILS AS WELL THAT ARE IN THAT SIMILAR VEIN. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THEN WHERE IS THAT DATA STORED? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DATA IS STORED LOCALLY WITH THE FACILITY ITSELF, AND THEN WHO HAS ACCESS TO THAT? THE STAFF AT THE FACILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN ANYONE ELSE GET ACCESS TO THAT? UM, I BELIEVE THEY, THEY CAN IF THEY'RE AT THE FACILITY AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOG INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HAVE THESE TYPE OF CAMERAS BEEN CONSIDERED INSTEAD OF THE AI CAMERA THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED? UM, OUR, OUR CONCERN IS JUST THE, THE, WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS SYSTEM IS THAT, THAT IT'S MOBILE. 
          WE CAN MOVE IT FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION. 
          IT'S NOT JUST STATIONARY AT A LOCATION. 
          THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF, UM, INVESTMENT IN INSTALLING THESE IN A MORE REMOTE LOCATION, LIKE SOMEPLACE LIKE THE ST. 
          ED'S GREENBELT AREA WHERE IT'S JUST WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE FACILITY, UM, BACK SUPPORT THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT KIND OF THIS MORE MOBILE SYSTEM THAT ALLOWED US TO NOT HAVE A CAMERA AT ALL TIMES, BUT REALLY TO FOCUS UNLIMITED AREAS THAT HAD CRIME HOTSPOTS OF CONCERN. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER LANG, COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THOSE, UH, TWO WORK SESSIONS SO WE CAN HAVE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE EXTENDED CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AND ASK THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER VELA FOR HIS LEADERSHIP ON BRINGING FORWARD THE SURVEILLANCE IFC THAT THE TRUST ACT THAT IS ON THE COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA. 
          UM, I, I WANNA STATE REALLY CLEARLY THAT I'M A STRONG SUPPORTER OF HAVING, UM, POLICY GUIDELINES THAT, UM, ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THAT WE DEVELOP THE HABIT BECAUSE WE NEED TO, BECAUSE THEIR POLICY OF FOLLOWING. 
          AND I KNOW THE AMOUNT, ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THAT POLICY, BOTH ON THE COUNCIL SIDE AND UM, AND ON THE STAFF SIDE. 
          AND I SAY THAT AS, UH, SOMEONE WHO HAS CO-SPONSORING THAT POLICY. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK, I ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING THAT I AM ALSO GRATEFUL FOR THE DATA THAT HAS COME OUT IN THE MEMO FOR THE STEP FORWARD THAT I THINK THAT, THAT REFLECT THAT IS FOR US IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION NOW. 
          AND, UM, AND WITH THAT, I, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN TO A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE THAT WAS IN THE MEMO THAT IS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AND RELATES TO A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING. 
          UM, AND THAT EXAMPLE IS ST. 
          EDWARDS GREENBELT OR PARK ON OLD SPICEWOOD SPRINGS ROAD. 
          IT IS ONE OF TWO, UM, PARKS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT MEMO AS HAVING A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN VEHICLE BREAKDOWN, UH, BREAK-INS WHEN THE CAM PARKS CAMERAS WERE THERE, AND THEN IT IMMEDIATELY WENT BACK UP WHEN THEY WENT AWAY. 
          IT IS ALSO A, A PARK THAT HAS LIMITED INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS ON IT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AS WE KNOW, MONEY'S TIGHT. 
          IT MIGHT BE A WHILE BEFORE THERE'S A BOND. 
          THIS PARK HAS SO FAR NOT RISEN TO THE PRIORITY LIST OF 
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CAPITAL INVESTMENT. 
          I HAVE NOT, UM, HEARD ANY INDICATION THAT WE WOULD SOON HAVE THE TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD ALLOW THOSE TYPES OF CAMERAS TO BE, TO BE PUT THERE. 
          I HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT SECURITY CONCERNS IN THE ABILITY TO PROTECT ANY INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY WOULD MAKE AT THAT PARK ARE PROHIBITIVE TO MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND SO VERY MUCH AT THAT PARK, AS I HAVE DUG INTO IT PRIOR TO THIS MEMO, THERE'S A BIG CATCH 22 SITUATION GOING ON IN TERMS OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A STEP FORWARD, UH, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY ALSO, UM, I, I WOULD POSIT THAT CURRENTLY THERE IS NOT A SAFE WAY, UH, TO ACCESS AND MAKE USE OF THAT PARK. 
          EVEN THOSE, FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE AREA. 
          UM, MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO, I, I CAN ATTEST THERE WAS NOT SHATTERED GRASS GLASS LITTERED ALL OVER THE, UH, PARKING LOT. 
          THERE IS NOW THE DATA CAME OUT IN THE MEMO THAT SHOWS THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE THAT HADN'T PREVIOUSLY BEEN THE CASE, UM, IN BREAK-INS, AND IT WENT DOWN DURING CAMERAS AND IT WENT BACK UP NOW, SO IT TRACKS. 
          AND THE MOMENT THAT THOSE CAMERAS WERE REMOVED FROM THAT PARK, MY OFFICE RECEIVED SUBSTANTIAL INCOMING CONCERN ABOUT HOW TO USE THAT PARK. 
          THERE ARE NOT CURRENTLY SIDEWALKS OR TRAILS THAT CONNECT ANY OF THE HOMES TO THAT PARK SO THAT YOU CAN SAFELY ACCESS IT ON FOOT. 
          THERE IS NOT MONEY TO CREATE THAT TYPE OF LARGE SCALE INVESTMENT IN SAFE CONNECTIVITY ON FOOT OR ON BIKE. 
          UM, THERE IS NOT A TRA A PARKING SUFFICIENT TO, TO REALLY MEET THE DEMAND. 
          THERE IS NOT, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, POLICE STAFFING AVAILABLE TO ENFORCE OR BE, MAKE, BE A CONSISTENT PRESENCE THERE. 
          AND SO WHERE THAT LEADS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION FOR THAT PARK, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS A REALLY HIGH NEED PARK FOR THESE CAMERAS, IS THERE ARE, DO NOT APPEAR TO BE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO REACH THIS PARK AND USE IT. 
          UM, AND PEOPLE DO NOT FEEL SAFE PARKING THEIR CARS THERE BECAUSE OF BREAK-INS. 
          UM, SO MY, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHAT, IF ANY ALTERNATIVES AM I MISSING THAT AREN'T CAMERAS, THESE CAMERAS THAT COULD MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO REACH THIS PARK AND USE IT , EVEN IF YOU LIVE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF IT? UH, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS A PARKS DEPARTMENT, OUR GOAL IS TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WANNA VISIT THE SPACES AND DON'T FEEL SAFE BECAUSE OF BREAK-INS. 
          BUT ALSO WE ALSO HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE IDEA THAT, UM, IF PEOPLE AREN'T FEELING COMFORTABLE IN THIS SPACE BECAUSE OF CAMERAS. 
          SO THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UM, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, UM, STARTED TO SEE THIS PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, 2018 TO 2020 IS WHEN IT REALLY STARTED AND STARTED TO GROW. 
          UM, WE DID SOME EFFORTS SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TRY AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL PATROLS IN THE AREA. 
          WE BROUGHT ADDITIONAL PARK RANGERS OUT TO THE SPACE AS WELL. 
          INCREASED PATROLS FROM STAFF AS WELL. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A CRIME OF OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEONE'S THERE, THEN THAT'S A DETERRENT, BUT PLACING SOMEONE THERE FULL-TIME IS, IS DIFFICULT TO DO, UM, AND COST PROHIBITIVE. 
          UM, WE ALSO WORKED, UM, AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS TO LOOK TO CREATE, TAKE LOCK HIDE SIGNS, RIGHT? SO THAT WE WERE INFORMING CITIZENS THAT THIS IS A SPACE THAT YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT LEAVING ANY ITEMS VISIBLE WITHIN YOUR CAR. 
          UM, SOME OF THE REPORTS WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T LEAVE ANYTHING IN THEIR CAR AND THEY WERE STILL GETTING BROKEN INTO. 
          UM, WE ALSO, OUR PARK RANGERS CREATED LITTLE, UM, LITTLE BUSINESS CARDS THAT HAD INFORMATION ABOUT TAKE LOCK HIDE AND WHAT TO DO TO BE PREPARED FOLLOWING OUR LEAVE NO TRACE ETHICS AS WELL TO BE PREPARED WHEN YOU COME TO THE SPACE. 
          THERE WAS ADDITIONAL SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WE DID AS WELL ON IT AS WELL, JUST TO JUST HELP INFORM AND EDUCATE PEOPLE. 
          UM, IF THIS WERE OCCURRING AT NIGHT, THERE'S THINGS LIKE GATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE COULD, THAT COULD BE DONE, BUT ULTIMATELY REALLY IT'S HAPPENING DURING THE DAY, UM, WITH ACTIVE PARK USERS. 
          AND SO THAT LIMITS KIND OF SOME OF OUR OPTIONS AND THIS SEEMED TO BE, UM, AN EFFECTIVE OPTION IN RESPONSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN TRIED AND THEN WHAT WE SAW WAS THEY, THEY HAVEN'T WORKED. 
          YES, CORRECT. 
          AND, AND JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF, UM, PERHAPS STAFFING OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, POLICE ENFORCEMENT, THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A, A MOTORCYCLE PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR LIKE, MANY, MANY MONTHS JUST SITTING THERE. 
          UM, SO 
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IT DOES HAVE A LITTLE LABEL ON IT SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. 
          AND THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS WE'VE GOTTEN OVER SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN MY DISTRICT, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED ABOUT WHEN THERE'S A PROPERTY CRIME. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT BEING POLICE ADVISING THAT THERE IS NOT STAFFING OF TO BE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE IT, TO BE ABLE TO COME EVEN IF YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE CALLED 9 1 1. 
          SO, AND I THINK THAT REALLY AS A COUNCIL AND AS MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO COMMENTED HERE, I DON'T THINK OUR GOAL IS TO, I AM NOT SAYING THAT OUR GOAL IS TO BOOST POLICE STAFFING, BUT I AM SAYING THAT I WANT US TO ARRIVE AT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TRIED, THAT THE COST BENEFITS MAKE SENSE. 
          AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN THE, THAT'S LAID OUT IN THE IFC IS THE BEST THING THAT WE HAVE SO FAR COME UP WITH TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS, TO MAKE SAFEGUARDS, UM, AND THEN TRY THAT THING. 
          UM, I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AS I SAID, I, I APPRECIATE THAT THE DATA THAT WE HAVE IS AVAILABLE. 
          I THINK THAT HEARING THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING UP STILL FOR ME, UM, I WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY TRAILERS DOES THIS CONTRACT PROVIDE FOR THE THREE-YEAR CONTRACT PERIOD? RIGHT, SO, UM, SO THESE ARE RENTALS PER MONTH. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE A GOAL OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND 10, KIND OF DEPENDING ON NEED, UM, AT DIFFERENT PARK PARKING LOT PARK LOCATIONS. 
          UM, IN PARTICULAR, UM, IF THE DATA SHOWS THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING PROBLEMS, THEN THIS WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS FOR US AND WE WOULD NOT USE IT IN A NEEDED SPACE. 
          UM, BUT SIX TO 10 IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR GOALS. 
          IT'S NOT TO GO ABOVE 10 PER YEAR AND WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE OUT THE ENTIRE YEAR AS WELL. 
          WE, UM, YOU KNOW, SPRING BREAK THROUGH LABOR DAY IS OUR BUSIER SEASONS IN THE PARK AND WHEN WE SEE SPIKES AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE, AND AS WE GO INTO THIS, WE HAVE A DATA. 
          SO WHERE WOULD THE INITIAL CAMERAS BE PLACED? UM, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO SOME IDEA OF TIMING FOR EVALUATING EFFECTIVENESS AND DECIDING WHETHER TO RELOCATE THEM. 
          WHAT'S OUR STARTING POINT ON THAT? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE THAT SORT OF THING IN THE INFO WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          SURE. 
          AND SO, UM, WE WOULD PARTNER WITH OUR, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE HAVE THE DATA. 
          WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR DATA ANALYSTS TO UNDERSTAND THE HOTSPOTS IN CONTINUED LOCATIONS. 
          MANY OF THESE LOCATIONS WOULD BE TOP PRIORITY, UM, FOR US. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE WE WOULD ADJUST BASED ON THE, THE CRIME RATE THAT THEY'RE SEEING. 
          UM, THEY CAN SEND US REPORTS AND UPDATE US ON THAT AS, YOU KNOW, AS OFTEN AS MONTHLY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE THAT DATA DRIVE THOSE DECISIONS AS TO WHERE THAT LOCATION IS. 
          IF WE'RE SEEING A DROP OFF AND IT'S BEING EFFECTIVE, UM, IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE REMOVED. 
          THERE'S CERTAIN LOCATIONS WHERE WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT FACILITY OR IN THOSE SPACES MAKE IT REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE SEEN IMPROVEMENTS. 
          MAYFIELD PARK IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF HAVING, WHEN WE PLACED PLACED IT, WE SAW LONG, UM, IMPACT WHEN WE REMOVED IT. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE A LOCATION WHERE WE WOULD PUT IT THERE AND THEN WE WOULD REMOVE IT BECAUSE WE WERE SEEING, UM, POSITIVE IMPACT. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, MOUNT BONNELL IS OBVIOUSLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT PROBLEM FOR US, AND WE WOULD LEAVE, LIKELY LEAVE A CAMERA THERE AS A PRIORITY LOCATION, BUT WE WOULD MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON, UM, CRIME DATA. 
          SO I THINK, UM, IN ADDITION TO COUNCIL MEMBER SIEGEL'S REQUEST THAT, OR THAT WE CONSIDER HAVING THESE CAMERAS FOLLOW THE NEW IFC POLICY AND BRING IT FORWARD THAT WAY, I, I WOULD ASK THAT IF WE HAVE SEVERAL YEARS OF PILOT DATA ALREADY, AND WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AS STAFF TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO COUNSEL AND THE PUBLIC TO, TO ALSO HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR INITIAL USE FOR THE INITIAL PERIOD. 
          AND WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR HERE IS THAT, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A NEED FOR MOBILE CAMERAS AND SOME OF THE DATA CAP CAPABILITIES, HOWEVER, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED SOME PARKS WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY JUST HAVING CAMERAS AT ALL. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT THE END OF THIS, BUT I I WOULD CERTAINLY, UM, APPRECIATE IF THERE WERE CONSIDERATION FOR ONE, IF THIS COMES FORWARD IN THIS WAY, THAT WE LAY OUT WHAT THE PLAN IS, WHEN COULD THEY BE CHANGED, UNDERSTAND IF THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT. 
          BUT IF WE'RE NOT NEEDING TO MOVE FORWARD ON MOBILE TRAIL, MOBILE TRAILERS, AI, ALL OF THESE THINGS, WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF PARKS THAT SEEM LIKE THEY NEED PERMANENTLY AFFIXED CAMERAS, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE DATA TELLS US NOW. 
          AND I, I WANNA FIND A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE PARKS THAT 
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ISN'T 5, 10, 20 YEARS OUT BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY AT A FIVE YEAR MARK, UM, ON SOME OF IT. 
          LET ME JUST, I'M GONNA WRAP UP. 
          LET ME JUST SEE IF THERE IS A FINAL QUESTION THAT I WANT TO PUT OUT THERE. 
          UM, I THINK IN THE EVENT THAT, UM, ACTUALLY I WILL JUST STOP THERE AND LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES MORE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER UCHIN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I, I WANNA START OFF JUST ACKNOWLEDGING SOME REALLY UNFORTUNATE REALITIES OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          AND I, I THINK THE TWO BIG ONES ARE WE HAVE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS CLEARLY UNCONCERNED WITH TRAMPLING ON CIVIL LIBERTIES OF THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE, UH, ITEM THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SIEGEL AND, AND MAYOR VELA ARE BRINGING HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THAT AS WE THINK ABOUT THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY AS A CITY. 
          BUT ANOTHER SAD REALITY IS THAT CRIME IS OCCURRING AT AN UNACCEPTABLE RATE IN OUR PARKS. 
          AND I THINK NO FURTHER BACK THAN A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN IN ZILKER PARK WE HAD AN OFFICER WHO WAS SHOT BECAUSE OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS VIOLATING THE CURFEW OF THE PARK AND THEN ESCAPED THROUGH THE BARTON CREEK GREENBELT, ENDED UP AT BARTON HILLS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THANK GOODNESS, DIDN'T END UP SHOOTING ANYBODY THERE, BUT CREATED A SITUATION WHERE CRIME AT THE PARK DIDN'T JUST STAY AT THE PARK, IT CAME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, AND AT POTENTIALLY ONE OF OUR, OUR SCHOOLS WHERE, UM, KIDS WERE JUST TRYING TO, TO WALK AND BIKE TO SCHOOL. 
          AND SO I THINK ABOUT THESE TWO REALITIES IN, IN CONFLICT AND HOW WE CAN TRY TO THREAD THE NEEDLE HERE. 
          AND IT'S NOT EASY, AND I DON'T ENVY THE POSITION YOU'RE IN, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT YES, SOMEONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FREELY GO TO A PARK AND NOT WORRY ABOUT VIDEO OR PICTURES OF THEMSELVES, BUT SOMEONE SHOULD ALSO BE JUST AS FREE TO GO TO A PARK AND NOT WORRY THAT THEIR CAR IS GONNA BE BROKEN INTO OR THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ASSAULTED, OR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FIND DRUG PARAPHERNALIA IN THE PARK. 
          THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND WE HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE. 
          AND SO I, I WANT TO, IN THAT VEIN HELP YOU HELP HELP US UNDERSTAND THE OPTIONS. 
          SOME OF OUR PARKS, AND LET'S JUST TAKE ZILKER PARK, RIGHT, HAS INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT'S, IT'S VERY WELL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE AN UNFORTUNATE AMOUNT OF CRIME. 
          HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED AT KIND OF BIFURCATING THOSE PARKS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND TOOLS, YOU KNOW, MORE PERMANENT AS COUNCIL MEMBER LANE WAS TALKING ABOUT OP OPTIONS WE HAVE THERE WHERE WE KNOW THE NEED WILL SADLY, ALMOST ALWAYS EXIST VERSUS SOME OF THESE OTHER PARTS WITH THE, THE MOBILE OPTIONS? YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY ZILKER IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE ON THE AZ MORTON SIDE IN PARTICULAR. 
          UM, AND THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AND WE COULD DO THAT UNDER A CURRENT CONTRACT. 
          UM, AND THERE'S OTHER LOCATIONS, AGAIN, I'M GONNA USE MAYFIELD. 
          THERE'S A HOUSE THERE, THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT COULD BE A LOCATION WHERE WE COULD ALSO INSTALL UNDER OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT COULD REALLY WORK FOR THOSE KIND OF REGULAR AND CONSISTENT SPOTS. 
          UM, THIS CONTRACT ALLOWS US TO ALSO HAVE A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY, RIGHT? SO TO ADDRESS LOCATIONS THAT HAVE, THAT ARE SPIKES THAT, THAT ARE A HOTSPOT THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED FOR UNIQUE NEED AS WELL AS ALLOWS US THIS FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE BETWEEN THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          UM, RESOURCES ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE A PARKS DEPARTMENT, BUT RESOURCES ARE LIMITED. 
          SO THERE ARE CERTAIN LOCATIONS THAT OBVIOUSLY ARE GONNA RISE TO THAT. 
          SO IF THIS IS NOT THE BEST OPTION FOR THEM, THEN THAT'S WHERE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AND WORKING TO GET SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THAT PROCESS NEED TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THIS, THIS CONTRACT WOULD ALLOW US TO ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE READILY AVAILABLE. 
          THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE 
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TO GET THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL AS ALLOW US TO, UM, MOVE LOCATIONS BASED ON WHAT'S OCCURRING AT THAT POINT IN TIME OR, OR TO NOT USE THEM AND TO NOT SPEND THAT OUT OUTLAY OF, UM, FUNDING IF, IF THERE ISN'T A PROBLEM AT THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I I, I THINK FROM, I HEAR FROM A FEW OF MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT SPENDING A LITTLE MORE TIME ON THIS ITEM AND HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME ON THIS ITEM. 
          AND SO IF YOU COULD HELP US UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE I THINK INTUITIVELY PEOPLE THINK, AND, AND I'LL PUT MYSELF IN THAT CATEGORY, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO JUST INSTALL A CAMERA ON THE TELEPHONE POLE THAT ALREADY HAS ELECTRICITY? YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS REALLY CHEAP, RIGHT? BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THINGS ARE ALWAYS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT IT INTUITIVELY SEEMS. SO COULD YOU MAYBE LOOK AT THAT LIST OF WHERE YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE USING PARKS AND WHAT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, WHAT DON'T AND, AND WHAT THE COST DIFFERENTIAL IS THERE FOR US JUST TO, TO THINK THIS THROUGH? YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, I WAS AT A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING JUST THIS PAST WEEK, UH, AND THEY SAID, WE'LL BUY CAMERAS FOR THE TRAILS BEHIND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          LIKE, JUST TELL US HOW MUCH AND, AND HOW WE CAN PUT 'EM OUT THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARTNERING PROGRAM WHERE WE, WE PARTNER, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN A VIABLE OPTION, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE MORE IN THE TRAIL CAM WORLD AND THAT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT. 
          SOMEONE HAS TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND MONITOR. 
          IT'S NOT THAT THAT CLOSE CAPTIONING, BUT, UM, I DO THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHO HAVE, WHETHER IT'S A POCKET PARK OR A TRAIL, UM, WHO MIGHT BE WILLING TO INVEST IN THAT AREA. 
          AND, AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD EXPLORE THAT, BUT, UM, FOOD FOR THOUGHT. 
          I ALSO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR A PD WHO I SEE ARE HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MORE A PD PRESENTED TO THE CLIMATE WATER ENVIRONMENT PARKS COMMITTEE ABOUT SECURITY AT OUR PARKS AND USE OF CAMERAS AND OTHER, UM, MECHANISMS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS ACTUALLY THE USE OF SIGNAGE OR CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, SAYS THAT THIS AREA IS UNDER VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT. 
          RIGHT? BUT, BUT THAT HAS AN EFFECT. 
          AND PUTTING OUT A CAMERA THAT MAY NOT BE ON, BUT PEOPLE SEE A CAMERA AND THEY DON'T KNOW, IS THIS CAMERA WORKING? IS THIS CAMERA NOT WORKING? SO I WAS CURIOUS IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY DATA AROUND THE DEPLOYMENT OF WHETHER IN OPERATION OR NOT. 
          AND AND I DON'T WANNA GIVE AWAY ALL YOUR SECRETS HERE, BUT DO IT MIGHT HAVE STARTED . 
          WELL, THEY, THEY SAID IT ALREADY PUBLICLY, SO I'M, I'M, I'M ONLY FOLLOWING THEIR LEAD, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF DATA AROUND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE DEPLOY A CAMERA IN USE OR NOT, OR A SIGN AND IT'S TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT THE EFFICACY OF THAT AND, AND BEING ABLE TO KIND OF SPREAD OUT, UH, THE, THE USE AND THE SCOPE OF THIS, UH, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF 'EM ARE ON, SOME ARE NOT, AND THEY MOVE AROUND AND SO YOU NEVER KNOW, BUT YOU, YOU GET MORE OUT OF IT. 
          WELL, GOOD MORNING, UH, MAYOR, MAYOR PRO AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, JJ SCHMIDT, ASSISTANT CHIEF WITH A PD. 
          UM, TO YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, SOMETIMES WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THERE'S AN EXPECTATION IF YOU HAVE SIGNAGE, THAT A CAMERA'S IN USE AND THERE'S NOT A CAMERA IN USE, THAT KIND OF PUTS US INTO A BIND AT TIMES BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RETRIEVE THAT DATA OR PULL THAT, UH, FOR A LATER INVESTIGATION. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A MODEL THAT WE'VE STUCK WITH. 
          UH, I THINK WE DO MAKE VISIBLE, PARTICULARLY LIKE DOWNTOWN WITH THE HALO CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN AREA AND WE TRY TO, UH, MAKE, MAKE THAT AWARE GREATLY SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE COMING INTO. 
          BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA FOR YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION, WE CAN TALK PRIVATELY, I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS A SIGN JUST AS GOOD AS THE CAMERA ITSELF OR, UH, JUST KINDA WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE TO HELP? MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT ON THAT, JUST BASED ON WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THIS IS GONNA HELP US WITH IS THE, OBVIOUSLY PUTTING THE CASES TOGETHER AFTER THE FACT. 
          SURE. 
          SO THERE IS A DETERRENCE UPFRONT THAT A CAMERA'S IN PLACE, BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS BASED ON THE DATA, WE CAN GO BACK AND PULL THAT INFORMATION AND DEVELOP A CASE POTENTIALLY ON A RETAIL THEFT RING OR SOMEBODY THAT'S COMMITTING THESE CRIMES, TARGETING OUR PARKS. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THE BIGGEST IMPACT, BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO STOP THE BEHAVIOR, UH, AND FOCUS ON THAT SPECIFIC DETERRENCE. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD KIND OF PUT FORWARD TO YOU IN THAT ASPECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND YOU MENTIONED THE HALO CAMERAS. 
          WHO HOUSES THAT INFORMATION? THAT'S HOUSED AT, UH, OUR OFFICE AT THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER AT HEADQUARTERS. 
          UM, 
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WORK WORKED WITH OUR STAFF THERE. 
          AND ARE THOSE THERE, IS RECORDING THERE OR IS IT JUST LIVE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE RECORDED. 
          RECORDED AND LIVE MONITORED, BOTH. 
          SO WAS THAT THE HALO TECHNOLOGY? SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDERED HERE? JUST PIGGYBACKING ONTO, YOU KNOW, NOT INVOLVING A THIRD PARTY, BUT DOING IT LIKE WE DO RIGHT NOW? I I, I THINK THE, I'M SORRY, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND IT FOR, FOR THE, AGAIN, GOING TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THOSE ARE ALL, UH, SET UP WITH A, WITH A NETWORK, A MESH THAT WE CAN GET THOSE SIGNALS TO HEADQUARTERS. 
          UM, THE LVT TECHNOLOGY DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIVE MONITOR, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO IN, IN THIS INSTANCE. 
          THE, THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT THE INFORMATION WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ONE OF THE FOLKS AT THE REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER WOULD THEN ACCESS THAT STORAGE, PULL THAT INTO OUR EVIDENCE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH CGIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEN PROVIDE THAT TO THE TRAVIS COUNTY DA OR, OR COUNTY ATTORNEY AS APPROPRIATE, AND THEN STAY WITHIN OUR RETENTION SCHEDULES FOR THE, FOR THE POLICIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN BALTER. 
          UH, CA COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES. 
          COUNCILMAN DUCHEN. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COLLEAGUES, MY WHAT I'M, I HAVE MORE COMMENTS TO SAY ON, ON THE ISSUE OVERALL RATHER THAN QUESTIONS. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE APPARENT FROM TODAY'S WORK SESSION, BOTH FROM THE LINE OF QUESTIONING, COMING FROM CUSTOMER SIEGEL WITH DISCREPANCIES AND NEED FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE PROCESS OF THIS POTENTIAL CONTRACT AS WELL AS THE CONTRACT ITSELF. 
          AND THEN I'M ALSO HEARING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE THE OTHER FORMS OF SAFETY? WHAT ARE THE TOOLS DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR US TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR PARKS? CLEARLY ON BOTH ENDS OF THIS POLICY CONVERSATION. 
          TO ME, I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS CONTRACT ON THURSDAY. 
          WE'RE NOT, AND I'M NOT AT A PLACE TO SUPPORT IT AS IT STANDS TODAY. 
          AND IT REALLY, IT, FOR ME, IT'S ANCHORED IN UNDERSTANDING THE ENVIRONMENT AND CONTEXT IN WHICH WE ARE POLICY MAKING IN. 
          AND WHAT IS AT THE FOCUS AND FOREFRONT OF ME IS KNOWING THAT WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR PROVEN AND DEMONSTRATED TRACK RECORD OF DISREGARDS FOR LOCAL LAWS AND POLICIES AND BEING ABLE TO ACCESS DATA AND DEMAND DATA AND COME IN AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, THAT GIVES ME TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONCERN ABOUT HAVING THIS TYPE OF SAFETY TOOL AT THIS TIME. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO VERY FAR FOR AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN COUNCIL CONSIDERED THE A LPR CONTRACT, UM, COUNCIL AT THE SAME TIME ADOPTED A POLICY, WE SET, UM, DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER ON HOW WE WOULD LIKE THE A LPR PILOT PROGRAM TO GO. 
          WE HAD AN AUDIT DONE, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT PILOT PROGRAM AUDIT COMES OUT FINDING, SAY THE CONTRACT WAS NOT IN LINE WITH THE POLICY THAT COUNCIL DIRECTED. 
          SO GIVEN THAT HISTORY THAT WE HAVE AND KNOWING THAT WHAT'S BEFORE COUNCIL IN A FEW DAYS IS NOT AT A PLACE YET WHERE IT'S EVEN IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE TRUST ACT, THE OTHER POLICY THAT WE WANNA PUT FORTH WHEN IT COMES TO SURVEILLANCE, UM, I JUST, THERE TOO MANY LOOSE THREADS HERE. 
          TOO MANY UNKNOWNS AND NOT A LOT OF ASSURANCES ON IT. 
          SO, UH, JUST WANNA VOCALIZE WHERE I AM ON THIS ITEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER UCHIN. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          AND, UH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, AND I'M REALLY NOT SURE ENTIRELY WHO TO DIRECT EACH ONE TO. 
          SO I'M GONNA ASK FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND MAYBE SOME VOLUNTEERING UP THERE TO FIGURE THIS OUT. 
          UM, ONE IS, I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THE CAMERAS THAT WE'RE TALKING IN THIS CONTRACT WITH THIS VENDOR ARE PRETTY MUCH THE IDENTICAL CAMERAS THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS DURING THE PILOT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THERE A, ARE THERE DIFFERENT TERMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THE CONTRACTOR ADDENDUM THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT? UM, SO TO CLARIFY, THESE CAMERAS, UM, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONES, DO NOT HAVE LICENSE PLATE READERS. 
          THEY DO NOT HAVE FACIAL ID, UH, FACIAL RECOGNITION ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT. 
          THE TECHNOLOGY IS OBVIOUSLY EVOLVING. 
          I COULDN'T SAY IF IT'S THE EXACT, THE EXACT ONES. 
          UM, BUT IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WERE USING PREVIOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO YES, YES. 
          WHAT WAS DEPLOYED DURING THE PILOT BETWEEN 23 AND 25. 
          YES. 
          UH, SO I'M CURIOUS, WHAT SORT OF ISSUES WERE RAISED EITHER INTERNALLY OR EXTERNALLY FROM PARK GOERS, RESIDENTS, OTHER PEOPLE DURING THAT WINDOW OF THE PILOT THAT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET. 
          WHAT SORT OF ISSUES, CORRESPONDENCE DID YOU ALL GET FROM PEOPLE ABOUT CONCERNS AROUND THOSE CAMERAS OR INCIDENTS RELATED TO THOSE CAMERAS? SETTING ASIDE WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN USED FOR STRICTLY FOR ADDRESSING PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE I HEARD ANY CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC WITH THOSE WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR THE TWO YEAR PILOT, LITERALLY NO FEEDBACK OTHER THAN EVEN THOUGH THESE WERE DEPLOYED AT, AT HEAVILY TRAFFICKED PARKS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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IS THERE A REASON, AND YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER, BUT IS THERE A REASON THAT, UM, EVEN WITHIN THIS VENDOR, WE WOULD NEED TO PURSUE CLOUD-BASED STORAGE AS OPPOSED TO A DIFFERENT KIND OF STORAGE METHODOLOGY? IS THAT PURELY FOR AN OPERATIONS PERSPECTIVE THAT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO, UM, MANUALLY GO RETRIEVE DATA OR CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? AND THEN CAN YOU SPEAK TO, I THINK IN RELATION TO THAT, ANY REAL OR PERCEIVED, AND THIS MAY BE A A, A DR. GARDNER QUESTION, ANY REAL OR PERCEIVED, UM, SECURITY CHALLENGES FROM HAVING THE CLOUD-BASED STORAGE? UM, NOT REALLY ANY SECURITY CHALLENGES. 
          THE TECHNOLOGY AROUND ENCRYPTION AND MAKING SURE THAT THE FILES ARE STORED IN ENCRYPT MANNER IS MATURED TO A POINT WHERE THAT'S ALMOST A NON-ISSUE IN WHETHER IT'S FILE-BASED OR NOT. 
          AND THEN THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION IS THERE, IS THERE ANY REASON THAT, UH, OTHER THAN OPERATIONALLY YOU MENTIONED THAT WE WOULD PURSUE CLOUD-BASED TECHNOLOGY OR SOME OTHER WHATEVER, AGAIN, PHYSICAL SOLUTION? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THE SOFTWARE IS, UH, MAINTAINING THE STORAGE IN THE DATABASE, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NO, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENTIAL THERE. 
          BUT IT, IT PURELY DEPENDS ON HOW THAT SOFTWARE IS WRITTEN. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE A BETTER QUESTION FOR ME TO ASK WOULD BE, IS IT MORE SECURE THAN BASED ON YOUR PRIOR ANSWER TO HAVE IT STORED IN THE CLOUD VERSUS TO STORE SORT LOCALLY ON SITE WHERE, UM, I GUESS SOMEBODY UNAUTHORIZED MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT DATA FROM, FROM A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE, THE MORE WE CAN BRING IT BACK ON SITE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MORE CONTROLS AROUND IT PHYSICALLY. 
          UM, FROM A CLOUD STORAGE PERSPECTIVE, MOST OF THE CLOUD VENDORS HAVE IMPLEMENTED VERY SECURE CONTROLS MEETING CGI COMPLIANCE IN THIS INSTANCE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CALL, UH, FEDRAMP HIGH OR MEDIUM, UH, ZONING. 
          SO, UH, THOSE CONTROLS ARE, ARE VERY, UH, CON UH, EXPLICIT AND HAVE TO BE MET FOR THESE KIND OF VENDORS TO WORK IN THAT SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I'M GONNA ASK THE, THIS IS GONNA LEAD INTO, CAN SOMEBODY STEP ME THROUGH WHAT THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY THEN LOOKS LIKE FOR THE DATA IF IT'S HOUSED? IF, IF PART IS ADMINISTRATING WITH THE VENDOR, UH, WHAT HAPPENS THAT THIS DATA EVENTUALLY WINDS UP WITH A PD, PRESUMABLY AND AXON AND THEIR SYSTEM, AND THEN HOW, AND THEN ANY SECURITY ISSUES IN THE COURSE OF MOVING THE DATA OVER. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT FROM THE PARKS PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND SO TO, TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT WILL HAVE LIMITED PARK STAFF HAVE ACCESS TO, AND ANYBODY WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCESS IT WILL HAVE A LOGIN ANYTIME THAT THERE'S LOGIN OR ANY SORT OF, UM, ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM OR ANY SYSTEM THAT IS LOGGED BY THE SYSTEM SO THAT IT CAN BE AUDITED AND TRACKED AS WELL, SO THAT WE KNOW WHO'S ACCESSING IT, HOW LONG THEY'RE ACCESSING IT, THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. 
          SO WE DO HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT WITHIN OUR PARK RANGER SUPERVISOR AND ABOVE STAFF WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT, BUT THAT WOULD BE LIMITED WITHIN OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH, UM, THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY WOULD HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE ACCESS AS WELL TO BE ABLE TO RETRIEVE TO HELP WITH INVESTIGATION PURPOSES. 
          AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON TOO, AS PART OF THE SECURITY CONTROLS AND THE ASSESSMENT, WE WENT THROUGH PUTTING ADDITIONAL CONTROLS ON TOP OF THAT, LIKE MULTIFACTOR. 
          SO WE KNOW THAT THAT PERSON THAT IS ACCESSING THAT IS THAT PERSON. 
          THERE'S, UH, MULTIFACTORS THAT, THAT ARE BEING MET. 
          SO, UM, IT'S NOT JUST A LOGIN OR A PASSWORD THAT'S ALLOWING IT IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHIEF SCHMIDT, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO REGARDING THE, ONCE IT'S TRANSFERRED TO THE POLICE, ANY SECURITY ISSUES YOU COULD FORESEE FOR HAVING THAT SYSTEM, UH, HAVING EITHER ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM OR THE, UH, OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO THAT SYSTEM IN THE TRANSFER TO PRESUMABLY AXON OR HOWEVER YOU'RE MANAGING THAT, THAT DATA? SURE. 
          SO, UH, AS THEY'VE MENTIONED, IT WOULD BE THE SINGLE SIGN-ON, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          WE WOULD LOG INTO THE CLOUD, CAPTURE THAT DATA, AND IMMEDIATELY UP THAT, UPLOAD THAT INTO AXON SO THAT IT FOLLOWS ALL THE EVIDENCE PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW FOR ALL OF ALL OF OUR VIDEO EVIDENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN SIMILAR TO MY PRIOR QUESTION, ANY UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS DURING THE PILOT OR, OR FRANKLY, ANY AUTHORIZED ACCESS FROM AN ENTITY THAT WE WOULDN'T ORDINARILY SHARE DATA WITH THAT WE'VE TURNED IT OVER TO? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          UH, I'M CURIOUS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS AT THE, UH, PARKS BOARD LAST NIGHT, THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW SOME POMAS ARE USING, ARE ABLE TO SOURCE PHYSICAL SECURITY AT THEIR PARKS. 
          IS THAT REALISTIC FOR OTHER PARKS TO USE THAT SOLUTION? 
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UM, SECURITY HAS A PLACE, UM, AND I, THIS, THIS IS ONE TOOL IN A TOOLBOX, RIGHT? WE CAN TALK ABOUT CRIME AND PARKS. 
          WE'VE DONE A SECURITY AUDIT ACROSS OUR PARK SYSTEM, AND THIS IS ONE TOOL AS PART OF THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S MANY OTHER THAT WE NEED TO INVEST IN TO MAKE SURE AND TO UPHOLD THE, YOU KNOW, OUR STEWARDSHIP ROLE OF MAKING OUR COMMUNITY FEEL WELCOME AND SAFE IN PARKS. 
          UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UM, A SECURITY GUARD IS A TOOL, IT IS A FAIRLY EXPENSIVE TOOL AND IT IS A VERY LOCALIZED TOOL. 
          SO, UM, USUALLY THERE IN ONE SPACE, UM, AND THERE'S ONLY THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL IN A SMALL SPACE WITH A VERY LIMITED ENTRANCE AND EGRESS AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF TRACK AND FOLLOW THAT. 
          UM, OUR PARK SPACES, I'M GONNA THINK ABOUT THE BARTON CREEK GREEN BELT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU'RE PARKING ALONG MOPAC, THAT'S A VERY LONG PARKING AREA THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ONE PERSON TO, TO KIND OF WALK AND MAINTAIN, KIND OF MAINTAIN, UH, THE SPHERE OF CONTROL WITHIN THAT SPACE AS WELL. 
          SO THERE'S CERTAIN SPACES THAT MIGHT BE EFFECTIVE, UM, BUT IN A LOT OF OUR SPACES IT'S, IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE JUST GIVEN THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE PHYSICAL SPACE ITSELF. 
          WELL, I'M ALSO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND I'M ALSO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FOR A PARK LIKE, UM, AT MOUNT BONNELL WHERE WE HAVE NO POMA AND NO CONSERVANCY, HOW THAT WOULD EVEN WORK. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE AN EXPENSE BACK TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M ALSO CURIOUS, HOW WOULD, IF ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE GOT IS, UM, SOME OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY SUPERSEDING OUR OWN AND OBTAINING THE DATA, REQUESTING THE DATA, UH, FIRST OF ALL, ARE THERE ANY EXAMPLES OF THAT HAPPENING, EITHER, I'LL JUST SAY IN GENERAL, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS REGARDING THIS DATA WITH, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COLLECTED THROUGH THE PILOT OR JUST, UH, CHIEF SCHMIDT IN GENERAL WITH, IS THIS A, IS THIS A PROBLEM THAT YOU'VE SEEN OCCUR PERIODICALLY WITH, UH, DATA THAT'S ENACTED ON ANYWAY? THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED WITH ANY OF OUR VIDEO DATA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY INSTANCES. 
          SO THE REAL QUESTION IS IF, AND IF AND HOW WOULD THIS OCCUR? THERE'S NOT ANY THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          CAN YOU THINK OF ANY SCENARIOS WHERE, WHERE YOU'D GET THAT REQUEST? I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF, OF, OF A REQUEST FROM IT'S, IT'S ALL GONNA BE FROM THE LOCAL LEVEL. 
          IF IT'S ANOTHER CASE, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS IF WE HAD A, A CRIME RING, AGAIN THAT'S CREATING A LOT OF BURGLARY VEHICLES AND MAYBE THEY GET INTO TO WESTLAKE OR ANOTHER NEIGHBORING JURISDICTION, THEY WOULD ASK TO SHARE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION ON OUR SUSPECT'S IDENTITIES, VEHICLES, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          THAT COULD POTENTIALLY MAYBE BE THE BODY CAMERA FROM A TRAFFIC STOP OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD GO OUTSIDE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          LAST QUESTION MIGHT BE FOR COMMANDER SMITH. 
          UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE'S USED THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY TO HELP, UM, WITH THE EXACT KIND OF CRIME RINGS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED. 
          UH, I'M HOPING THAT COMMANDER SMITH CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY OR THE DATA WAS USED TO HELP FIND THE EVIDENCE, MAKE THE ARREST, WHATEVER YOU DID THERE. 
          CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW THIS WAS USED? YES, SIR. 
          I'M CRAIG SMITH, COMMANDER FOR WEST AUSTIN, WHICH IS BAKER SECTOR. 
          SO WE HAD A CRIME RING AT MOUNT BONNELL THAT WAS, UH, BREAKING IN, UH, REPEATEDLY TO, TO VEHICLES. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO USE THE PARK CAMERAS AND GET A A, THE SUSPECTS IDENTIFIED, THE GROUP IDENTIFIED. 
          SO ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM IDENTIFIED, WE KNOW WE KNEW WHAT VEHICLE THEY WERE, THEY WERE USING, AND WE WOULD LOOK OUT FOR, FOR THAT VEHICLE. 
          WE PUT DIRECTED PATROLS OUT THERE. 
          SO WITH, WITH THAT EVIDENCE, WE'RE ABLE TO, TO GATHER WHAT THE SUSPECTS LOOKED LIKE AND DEVELOP A, A, A CASE WITH OUR BURGLARY AND FINANCIAL TEAMS, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO ISSUE WARRANTS ON, ON SEVERAL OF THE SUSPECTS OUT THERE. 
          AND WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS TOOL DEPLOYED? WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND WOULD'VE JUST TAKEN LONGER? HOW WOULD THAT HAVE PLAYED OUT? YEAH, WE WOULD'VE JUST HAD TO WAIT FOR, UM, WITNESSES TO COME TO, TO SAY, HEY, WE SAW THE SUSPECTS BREAK INTO THE VEHICLE. 
          SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, VERY RARE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE. 
          'CAUSE BURGLARIES ARE HAPPENED VERY, VERY QUICKLY. 
          SO WITH THE CAMERAS, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECTS QUICKLY AND THEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THE LICENSE PLATE AND, UH, START THE INVESTIGATION RIGHT THERE WITH THE CAMERA SYSTEM. 
          SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT WITHOUT IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY HARD TO CRACK THAT RING AND OBTAIN THE EVIDENCE AND MAKE THE ARREST? YES. 
          BURGLARIES ARE, ARE, ARE VERY HARD TO 'CAUSE THEY'RE SO QUICK, UM, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO WITHOUT THE CAMERAS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN PRETTY DIFFICULT TO, TO, TO SOLVE THOSE CASES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS. 
          AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE MAYOR PRO TIM WRAP UP. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, WANNA KIND OF RECENTER US ON HOW WE GOT HERE, WHY WE'RE DOING THIS? UM, OUR PARK SPACES CANNOT BE A FREE FOR ALL FOR CRIME. 
          IF SOMEONE COMMITS A CRIME AND THEY'RE ON A ROADWAY 
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AND THEY'RE WITNESSED DOING SOMETHING DANGEROUS, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE SOMEONE INTERVENE, THEY WOULD BE APPREHENDED. 
          THEY WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO CONTINUE UNSAFE BEHAVIORS. 
          UM, AS SOMEONE WHO REPRESENTS THE BULK OF ZILKER PARK, I WANT TO READ YOU A LIST. 
          IT'S NOT A SHORT LIST OF INCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, JUST WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF ZILKER PARK. 
          IT'S INVOLVED HOMICIDES, A HATE CRIME INVOLVING FELONY ASSAULT, MAJOR VANDALISM TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES, AND COUNTLESS CAR BREAK-INS AND THEFTS. 
          AND YES, WHILE I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE CARS DON'T GET BROKEN INTO, MY FIRST AND FOREMOST CONCERN IS THE SAFETY OF INDIVIDUALS. 
          PEOPLE ARE DYING, UM, PEOPLE ARE GETTING SHOT. 
          IT IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR KIDS TO PLAY DEPENDING ON WHAT IS GOING ON THAT DAY, WHETHER PEOPLE ARE THERE IN EARLY MORNING HOURS OR LATE NIGHT HOURS. 
          IN AUGUST OF 2022, A 27-YEAR-OLD MAN WAS SHOT AND KILLED IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS WHILE SITTING IN HIS CAR PARKED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE. 
          THE CAR WAS RIDDLED WITH BULLET CASINGS. 
          HE WAS DISCOVERED LATER THAT MORNING BY POOL EMPLOYEES AND HIS BODY WAS FOUND NEXT TO THE FENCE, NOT FAR FROM THE POOL ENTRANCE. 
          FEBRUARY, 2025, A 63-YEAR-OLD MAN WAS KILLED IN THE SOUTH PARKING LOT, FOLLOWING A DAYTIME DISPUTE WITH ANOTHER PARK VISITOR. 
          HE ACCUSED OF STEALING HIS PHONE SEPTEMBER, 2025 DURING AN EFFORT BY A PD TO RECOVER A STOLEN CAR IN THE SOUTH PARKING LOT. 
          THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER HAD SPOKEN TO EARLIER. 
          A 30-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WAS SHOT AND KILLED, AND AN A PD OFFICER WOUNDED BY A MALE SUSPECT WHO FLED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WAS LATER CITED NEAR BARTON HILLS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND APPREHENDED AFTER BREAKING INTO A HOME WHERE THE HOMEOWNER SHOT THE INDIVIDUAL JULY, 2024, MY OFFICE WAS CONTACTED BY A COALITION OF 15 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS CONCERNED ABOUT A RASH OF CRIMES REPORTED IN THE PARK, INCLUDING AN ALARMING INCREASE IN CAR BURGLARIES. 
          A MAN ARRESTED FOR INDECENCY WITH A CHILD AND A BARTON SPRINGS STAFF MEMBER ASSAULTED WHILE ON THE JOB. 
          THESE REPORTS INCLUDED REPEATED INCIDENTS OF TROUBLING EVENTS AT THE HISTORIC Z ZILKER GIRL SCOUT CABIN, INCLUDING BREAK-INS, VANDALISM, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, AND WEAPONS. 
          AND A NIGHTTIME BREAK-IN HAPPENED WHILE CHILDREN AND PARENTS WERE PRESENT THERE. 
          AND THERE'S OTHER INCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT THE GIRL SCOUT CLUBHOUSE THAT I WON'T EVEN SAY ON THIS MICROPHONE. 
          MAY, 2025, I MET WITH PARK STAFF TO DISCUSS REPORTS I RECEIVED FROM BARTON SPRINGS. 
          LIFEGUARDS CONCERNED ABOUT THREATS FROM POOL PATRONS AND UNSAFE CONDITIONS WHILE WALKING TO THEIR CARS AT NIGHT, JULY, 2025 IN A DESIGNATED HATE CRIME, A TRANSGENDER WOMAN AND HER FRIENDS WERE HARASSED BY TWO MEN WHO THEN VIOLENTLY ATTACKED AND SERIOUSLY INJURED A GOOD SAMARITAN THAT WAS TRYING TO INTERVENE. 
          OCTOBER, 2025, FOLLOWING A SERIES OF BREAK-INS AND INCIDENTS OF VANDALISM AT THE HISTORIC ZILKER CLUBHOUSE, MY OFFICE WAS CONTACTED BY A NEIGHBOR REPORTING AN ILLEGAL WEEKEND PARTY ATTENDED BY A VERY LARGE CROWD. 
          THE STRUCTURE SUFFERED SERIOUS DAMAGE, INCLUDING THE LOSS OF ITS HISTORIC WINDOWS AND SERIOUS SCARS TO THE WALLS AND FLOORS. 
          CITY OWNED TRUCK AND UTILITY VEHICLES WERE STOLEN AND CRASHED. 
          THERE'S DRONE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THESE VEHICLES DOING FIGURE EIGHTS WHILE PEOPLE ARE SCATTERING LIKE ANTS. 
          THEY WERE NOT BEING SAFE. 
          THEY WERE NOT JUST HAVING FUN. 
          PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURED OR KILLED BY DOING THIS. 
          THE CLUBHOUSE HAS BEEN SHUTTERED FOR MONTHS AFTER ALL THE BOOKINGS HAD TO BE CANCELED. 
          AND BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS CLUBHOUSE WAS BUILT ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS AGO AS PART OF THE NEW DEALS CIVIL WORKS ADMINISTRATION. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A FEW INCIDENTS HAPPENING IN ONE ONE PARK IN MY DISTRICT. 
          I HAVE MANY OTHER PARKS THAT HAVE HAD OTHER, OTHER INCIDENTS, INCLUDING CIRCLE C, WHERE SOMEONE WHO HAD GONE ON A RAMPAGE FROM SAN ANTONIO TO A SCHOOL IN NORTH AUSTIN TO SOUTHEAST AUSTIN AND ENDED UP IN CIRCLE C, SHOT A CYCLIST AND MURDERED TWO PEOPLE WHO ENDED UP HA THEY LIVED NEAR WHERE THAT PARK WAS AND THIS INDIVIDUAL ENDED UP THERE. 
          SO I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO STOP THE CRIMES THAT ARE HAPPENING. 
          I DON'T WANNA SEE ANYONE'S INFORMATION UNFAIRLY SHARED SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME TARGETS. 
          ICE IS FULL OF THUGS THAT WOULDN'T MAKE IT IN ANY OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THIS COUNTRY. 
          AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENCE HERE ABOUT HOW WE'RE UTILIZING THIS INFORMATION. 
          BUT WE CANNOT ALLOW OUR PARKS TO BE A FREE FOR ALL. 
          THERE'S ALREADY SOME CAMERAS IN CITY BUILDINGS AND TRAILHEAD, UM, A STATESMAN REPORTER THAT USED TO COVER CITY HALL USED TO GO TO MOUNT BONNE SO OFTEN THAT HE WOULD FIND DEBIT AND CREDIT CARDS ON THE GROUND AND POST 'EM ON TWITTER SO THAT PEOPLE COULD FIND THE INFORMATION THAT HAS PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION IN THERE AND IS AFFECTING OTHER PEOPLE. 
          SO LIKE I SAID EARLIER, PROPERTY CRIME IS ONE THING, BUT SEEING PEOPLE GET MURDERED IN OUR PUBLIC PARK SPACES IS SOMETHING I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. 
          AND I'M OPEN TO OPTIONS ABOUT HOW 
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WE CAN PROTECT, PROTECT THE IDENTITIES OF FOLKS WHO ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, BUT SIMPLY EXISTING IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. 
          AND ALSO SEND A STRONG MESSAGE THAT OUR PARKS ARE NOT A FREE FOR ALL FOR CRIME. 
          WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT FAMILIES CAN GO AND BE IN A SAFE, CLEAN ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT I'M COMMITTED TO DOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM VELA. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION. 
          AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS AN EXCELLENT CONVERSATION, UH, AND, AND NECESSARY ONE, UH, IT REALLY DOES HIGHLIGHT THE NEED FOR, UH, THE TRUST ACT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE THOUGHTFUL AND DELIBERATE ABOUT THE, UH, SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE IN MAKING SURE THAT SIGNIFICANT PROTECTIONS ARE, UH, AND SAFEGUARDS ARE BUILT INTO THOSE SURVEILLANCE TECH TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THIS WHOLE KIND OF CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ONE BIG ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE, THE TRUST ACT ON THURSDAY, AND THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED TO, TO PASS THAT. 
          UM, QUESTIONS. 
          THERE'S BEEN, UH, SOME MENTIONS OF CLOSED CIRCUIT, UH, CAMERAS. 
          UM, WHAT IS A CLOSED CIRCUIT CAMERA? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CLOSED CIRCUIT CAMERA AND, UH, EITHER THE CAMERAS THAT WE USED IN THE PILOT OR THE, THE ONES THAT PROPOSED UNDER, UNDER THIS CONTRACT? SURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO, UH, FRAME IT AS EASY AS I CAN. 
          SO CLOSED CIRCUIT T UH, TV CAMERA OR A CAMERA, REALLY THE, THE DATA IS MAINTAINED ON SITE, USUALLY ON A, YOU KNOW, DVR AND THEN THAT DATA HAS TO, IF IT'S GOING TO BE OFFLOADED, HAS TO BE EITHER LOGGED INTO FROM, INTO THAT SITE OR THERE IS, UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER SOFTWARES THAT ALLOW IT TO BE MIGRATED INTO THE CLOUD, BUT USUALLY THAT IS VERY LOCALIZED, UH, DATA THAT IS MANAGED AT THE, AT THE FACILITY. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY CLOSE CIRCUIT TV CAMERAS, SAVE THE DATA ON A SERVER THAT THE CITY OWNS AND, AND MAINTAINS, UH, E EVEN MORE PARTICULAR INTO THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, BUT USUALLY EVEN MORE LOCALIZED THAN THAT. 
          IT'S TO THAT LOCATION ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, HOW WIDESPREAD IS OUR USE OF THE, THE CLOSED CIRCUIT? UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S CAMERAS IN MANY CITY BUILDINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL AND LIBRARIES AND CITY FACILITIES, UH, ALL ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          UH, UH, ARE THOSE TYPICALLY CLOSED CIRCUIT, CLOSED CIRCUIT, UH, TV SYSTEMS? UM, I HONESTLY DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU, SIR. 
          UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, MOST RECENTLY, UH, UH, THERE WAS, UH, THE CONCERNS, THERE WERE A BUNCH OF, UH, DROWNINGS ON, UH, UH, RAINY, UH, IN THAT, UH, PARK AREA RIGHT THERE, UH, OFF OF, UH, RAINY STREET. 
          AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THERE, IN ADDITION TO PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T WANDERING OFF THE TRAIL INTO THE WATER, UH, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE PUT UP SOME, UH, CAMERAS, UH, ALONG THAT SECTION OF TRAIL, UH, TO, UH, TO, TO KEEP AN EYE ON THINGS AND ALSO SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND BASICALLY WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM AND, AND, AND HOW WERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY ACCESSING AND GETTING INTO THE WATER. 
          WHAT KIND OF CAMERA SYSTEM IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN TELL YOU THE SPECIFICS, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON IT. 
          UM, IT WAS INSTALLED AT THE TRAIL HEAD, UM, AND SO IT WAS KIND OF IN A PHYSICAL STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE AT THE TRAILHEAD AT RAINY STREET. 
          UM, AND I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THE SPECIFIC TYPE THAT WAS USED IN THAT EXAMPLE. 
          GOT IT. 
          BUT I GUESS THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO OTHER FACILITIES THAT IT'S, IT'S A, A WIRED, IT'S NOT A KIND OF SOLAR POWERED, CLOUD-BASED SYSTEM. 
          UH, I MEAN, WOULD, WOULD, IS THAT CORRECT OR? I'M NOT SURE. 
          SO LET ME MAKE SURE ON THAT BEFORE I RESPOND. 
          GOT IT. 
          UH, AND THEN ALONG THAT LINE OF, OF QUESTIONING THE, UH, AND, AND I BELIEVE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DUCHEN THAT MENTIONED THAT THE HALO CAMERA, UH, SYSTEM, UH, THOSE ARE THOSE ALSO LOCAL STORAGE, UH, SYSTEMS THAT WE, UH, KEEP THE VIDEO IN, IN CONTROL OF THE VIDEO. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THEY ALL COME BACK TO ONE, ONE LOCATION AT HEADQUARTERS. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT EXPANDED. 
          IT'S NOT PER SITE, BUT IT ALL COMES BACK OFF THAT NETWORK TO OUR, TO OUR STRUCTURE THERE AT HEADQUARTERS. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S NOT CLOUD-BASED, UH, VIDEO STORAGE, HUH? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          UM, AND THE, THE PRIOR CAMERAS THAT WE USED IN THE, UH, PILOT, UH, WERE, UH, WERE THOSE ALSO CLOUD-BASED CAMERAS? YES, THEY WERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE FEATURES, THE, THE 
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TECHNOLOGY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, HOW DIFFERENT WERE THOSE CAMERAS FROM THE ONES THAT ARE, UH, ARE BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW? THEY'RE, THEY WERE VERY SIMILAR. 
          SO THESE VERY SIMILAR, UM, OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST A, A DIFFERENT COMPANY, BUT YES, VERY SIMILAR. 
          SO A DIFFERENT VENDOR, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME KIND OF STRUCTURE AND TECHNOLOGY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, HUH? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOW THE, THE FOCUS SEEMS TO BE THE PARKING LOTS. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN, IF WE DEPLOY THESE CAMERAS, UH, THEY, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME, AND AGAIN, I I WOULD LOVE, UH, CLARIFICATION, BUT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE FOCUSED MORE ON THE, THE PARKING LOTS OF THE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, PARKS, UH, AND RECREATIONAL AREAS THAN ON THE ACTUAL KIND OF PARKS THEMSELVES. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          UM, WITH THE PILOT, WE TRIED A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          WE, WE LOOKED AT IF IT COULD BE EFFECTIVE FOR, UM, ILLEGAL DUMPING, WE PUT PLACED ONE, WE HAVE AN ILLEGAL DUMPING PROBLEM AT COLORADO RIVER WILDLIFE SANCTUARY. 
          SO WE PLACED ONE THERE. 
          UM, AND WE FOUND THAT THAT WASN'T AS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL FOR US. 
          UM, SO THOSE CAMERAS DIDN'T REALLY NECESSARILY PROVIDE US THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IN MOVING FORWARD WITH INFORMATION FOR, UM, ILLEGAL DUMPING THAT WE COULD ADDRESS WHETHER TIME OF DAY IT, IT WAS DIFFICULT WITH THAT. 
          WE ALSO PLACED ONE, WE HAD, UM, SOME COPPER WIRING THEFT HAPPEN AT MONTOPOLIS. 
          SO WE PLACED ONE THERE TO HOPEFULLY WITH A DETERRENT AND THEN HOPEFULLY WITH INFORMATION, AND THAT WAS ALSO NOT AS EFFECTIVE FOR US AS WELL. 
          AND SO WHAT WE FOUND THROUGH THE PILOT IS THAT THE PARKING LOTS, UM, SEEMED TO BE THE MOST EFFECT, THE EFFECTIVE USE OF ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN THAT WE HAD FOR BURGLARY VEHICLES, WHICH CREATED KIND OF THAT UNSAFE FEELING FOR, UM, INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO REALLY FOCUS THESE CAMERAS IN PARKING LOTS TO HELP ADDRESS THOSE CRIMES. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, WELL, UM, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM UH, COUNCILOR. 
          CORY, DO YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. 
          UH, THE UNFORTUNATE DROWNINGS THAT HAPPENED ON RAINY STREET. 
          OUR OFFICE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD AN ITEM ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T USE AI CAMERAS. 
          WHAT WE DID WAS, UH, WE HAD A CAMERA THERE. 
          WE HAD, WE, UH, PUT IN MORE LIGHTING FENCING. 
          AND THEN I KNOW SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY AI CAMERAS DO, THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T GONNA BE USING THE, BUT THAT IF, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF A TRAILHEAD OR A PARK WAS CLOSING IT WOULD, IT, WOULD, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, THIS PARK IS CLOSED. 
          THERE'S SIGNAGE ON THE, ON THE TRAILHEAD THAT SAYS WHAT TIME THE TRAILHEAD IS, YOU KNOW, IS OPEN AND CLOSED. 
          UH, AND THEN WE HAD A PATROL FOR, FOR A BIT, UM, SO DIDN'T USE AI CAMERAS. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM TALKING TO EMS AND OTHER FOLKS ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HELPED A LOT IN THE, UH, HORRIFIC SITUATION THAT WAS, THAT WAS GOING DOWN ON THE, ON THE TRAILHEAD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOOD FOR THOUGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS, UH, WHO HAVE COME AND, AND SPOKEN TODAY TO THE COUNCIL AND MYSELF AND, YOU KNOW, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS, THE, THE, THE, THE AI TECHNOLOGY GIVES A LOT OF FOLKS PAUSE AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT FOLKS CAN, CAN SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, COY. 
          GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          WE 
          [A40. Approve an ordinance amending the Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Austin Parks and Recreation Capital Budget (Ordinance No. 20250813-005) to increase appropriations by $17,597,353 for the acquisition, planning, and development of parkland. Funding: $17,597,353 is available in the Austin Parks and Recreation Capital Budget.]
WILL NOW GO TO ITEM A 40 AND I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, THIS IS AN ITEM RELATED TO, UH, SOME MITIGATION OF PARKLAND THAT'S BEING ALIENATED AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE TDOT PROJECT. 
          ONE, I I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ONE ELEMENT OF THIS OR, OR BETTER UNDERSTAND, UH, 'CAUSE THESE FUNDS ARE ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE USED FOR PARKLAND ACQUISITION IN THE AREA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND I WAS JUST HOPING YOU COULD HELP US WITH THE LARGER PICTURE OF WHAT IS OUR CURRENT PARKLAND ACQUISITION NEED AND HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THAT NEED? SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PARKS AND RECREATION. 
          UM, SO COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS PARTICULAR, SO THE ITEM THAT WE, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU ON THURSDAY IS TO GIVE US THE, THE AUTHORITY TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM TDOT AS MITIGATION FUNDING FOR THE IMPACTS THAT THEY'RE HAVING AS PART OF THEIR TECH, UH, THEIR I 35 CORRIDOR PROJECT. 
          SO AS THEY'RE IMPACTING THE PARKS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO THROUGH VARIOUS FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR F TO SIX F UH, TO PROVIDE MITIGATION FOR THAT. 
          AND THAT MITIGATION FUNDING WE'RE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO SPEND IT IN AND AROUND THE AREA THAT'S BEING IMPACTED. 
          AND PARTICULARLY ONE ASPECT, UH, THAT COMES THROUGH THE FEDERAL LAND WATER CONSERVATION FUND, THAT ACTUALLY HAS TO REPLACE IN KIND THE SPACE THAT THAT WAS TAKEN, SERVING THE SAME POPULATION, SAME VALUE, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE'RE LIMITED IN WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN USE THAT MONEY. 
          AND SO, NO. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          IF YOU JUST START, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS OUR KIND OF CITYWIDE, I KNOW ESPECIALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOND, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS OUR PARKLAND ACQUISITION NEED? SURE. 
          IT, IT'S, 
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UM, SUBSTANTIAL. 
          I MEAN, I, I THINK THE, THE WAY THAT WE APPROACH THE NEED IS WE HAVE A COUPLE OF METRICS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. 
          ONE IS SORT OF THE, THE ACCESS, UH, SO THAT EVERY RESIDENT HAVE A, HAS ACCESS TO A PARK WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALK OR A FIVE MINUTE WALK WITHIN THE CORE. 
          AND ALSO LOOKING AT A, UM, SORT OF A PER CAPITA MEASURE OF HOW MUCH PARK LAND WE HAVE. 
          UH, SO AS WE DO THAT, AND WE HAVE A LONGRIDGE PLAN, AND WE SORT OF LOOK AT WHERE, WHERE THE GAPS ARE. 
          AND WE OBVIOUSLY TARGET SORT OF OUR, OUR PARK POOR AREAS OVERALL AS WE'VE BEEN DOING THE ANALYSIS FOR THE, THE POTENTIAL BOND. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT AS WE CONTINUE TO, TO, TO BOTH TRY TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THOSE METRICS, BUT REALLY LOOK AT, UH, PROVIDING, UH, SERVICES IN THE AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH. 
          UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A NEED OF ABOUT $120 MILLION THAT WILL JUST HELP US KEEP PACE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THESE FUNDS WILL HELP CHIP AWAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S RIGHT. 
          STILL LEAVE US QUITE, AND THAT WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BA THE, THE LEVEL OF THIS VERSUS THE LEVEL OF NEED. 
          JUST, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, DO WE ANTICIPATE ANY ADDITIONAL ALIENATION AS RELATES TO THE, UH, TXDOT? THERE, THERE LIKELY WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE INSTANCES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE HAVE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN NOW TXDOT NEEDS TO TAKE BACK. 
          AND SO THEN WE NEED TO MOVE THE, THE, THE UTILITY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH TDOT AND, AND TRY TO SORT OF, UH, GET AHEAD OF THOSE THINGS, BUT THERE LIKELY WILL BE MORE CASES THAT WE'LL BRING BEFORE YOU THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST TIMELY THAT THIS ITEM WAS COMING TO US WHEN SOMETHING ELSE CAUGHT MY ATTENTION EARLIER THIS WEEK. 
          CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY IMPACTS ACCORDING TO THIS ITEM FOR THE FESTIVAL, BEACH FOOD FOREST? I KNOW THAT THEY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WERE SURPRISED BY WHAT WILL BE A TEMPORARY WASTEWATER LINE RELOCATION. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF COLLABORATION BETWEEN CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT, THE ROBUST VOLUNTEER NETWORK THAT THEY HAVE AND TECH DOT, UH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING MAY HAVE GOTTEN MIXED UP. 
          DOES THIS IMPACT THEIR WORK AT ALL, OR, OR WILL IT? UM, THIS PARTICULAR FUNDING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROPRIATION ISN'T DIRECTLY RELATED TO THAT. 
          UH, THERE, THE PROPERTY THAT THE FOOD FOREST IS USING IS BEING IMPACTED BY SOME OF THE WORK THAT IS BEING IMPACTED BY TEXTILES. 
          SO THERE IS A WASTEWATER LINE THAT WILL BE, UH, INSTALLED ON PART OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND, AND TO, TO YOUR POINT, THERE HAS BEEN JUST ON OUR END SOME MISCOMMUNICATION. 
          THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR PARKS BOARD WAY BACK IN NOVEMBER, A CHAPTER 26 ITEM, THEN WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. 
          UH, I THINK WE, WE JUST, WE AS A DEPARTMENT DIDN'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB COORDINATING WITH THE FOOD FOREST FOLKS, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT AND WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AT AUSTIN WATER. 
          I THINK THAT THE BIG CHALLENGE, IN ADDITION TO, TO THE, THE SORT OF THE GAPS IN COMMUNICATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT NOW IS BEING IMPACTED DIRECTLY BY THE CONSTRUCTION TO, TO INSTALL THIS WASTEWATER LINE. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AND WITH OUR, OUR PARTNERS AT AUSTIN WATER TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT AND, AND CERTAINLY, UH, FIND WAYS TO SORT OF MAKE THEM WHOLE AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE INVESTMENTS THAT THEY MAKE CAN COME BACK TO THAT PARK. 
          OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM JUST TO FURTHER THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED FOOD POLICY PLAN, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT LOSING SIGHT OF SOME OF THE INTRICACIES THAT ARE HAPPENING AS TXDOT CONTINUES DOWN ITS PATHWAY OF I 35. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GEARY. 
          UM, MEMBERS THAT WILL TAKE US 
          [A45. Approve an ordinance amending Chapter 2-3 of the City Code relating to the City Auditor and establishing a citywide Comprehensive Efficiency Assessment.]
TO ITEM NUMBER 45. 
          UM, AND AS I INDICATED WHEN, UH, RIGHT AT TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN WE FIRST PUT THIS OUT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AT THIS WORK SESSION IN ANTICIPATION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE IN A POSITION TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS. 
          UM, AND, AND, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THOROUGH DISCUSSION AND WE ASSURED THE TIME FOR THAT. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY ABOUT TIME IS THAT THE GOAL OF GOING AHEAD AND SETTING THIS FOR THE FEBRUARY 5TH MEETING WAS THAT IF WE WERE IN A POSITION TO GET SOME BENEFIT OF ANY AUDIT THAT WE WERE TO DO IN THIS COMING BUDGET. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT AS I LAID OUT, I THINK IN THE VERY FIRST, UM, I THINK I DID IN THE VERY FIRST MESSAGE BOARD POST BACK AT THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESSES. 
          UM, AND, BUT I WANNA ALSO BE CLEAR THAT I'VE ALSO SAID ALL ALONG THE WAY, WE WANT TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE ONE OF THE PRIMARY GOALS OF HAVING SOME SORT OF EFFICIENCY ASSESSMENT THAT WE ESTABLISH AS A CITYWIDE SYSTEMIC EFFICIENCY ASSESSMENT, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THAT IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS CONFIDENCE IN THE WAY WE'RE GOING ABOUT OUR BUDGETING PROCESS. 
          AND THIS IS ONE MECHANISM FOR ADDING TO THAT CONFIDENCE AND THAT TRUST. 
          WELL, AS I HAVE SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE DECISION TREE AND WITH OTHER THINGS, I THINK THE PROCESS AND HOW WE APPROACH THESE 
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ALSO PLAYS A ROLE IN ASSURING CONFIDENCE AND TRUST IN, IN WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THAT REGARD. 
          THAT BEING SAID, UM, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE PUR THAT AS WE COME OUT OF THIS WORK SESSION, IF WE'RE GOING, I, I, I'M, I'M, I'M, IF WE'RE GOING TO WANT ADDITIONAL TIME, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THEN WE MAY, WE MAY WANT TO PUT THINGS UH, A LITTLE OFF, AS I SAY, A LITTLE TO AT LEAST THE NEXT MEETING, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO THAT WE TRY TO REACH A BALANCE BETWEEN MOVING WITH ENOUGH, UH, DISPATCH THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAYBE GAIN BENEFITS EVEN THIS YEAR. 
          BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN A THOUGHTFUL, REASONABLE WAY. 
          AS I, AS YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY, IN MANY INSTANCES, INCLUDING THIS ONE, UM, I DON'T WANT US TO RUSH SOMETHING. 
          I WANT US TO BE MORE THOUGHTFUL THAN TO RUSH TO SOMETHING. 
          SO I WANNA SAY THAT OUT LOUD. 
          AND THAT'S THE REASON WE'VE HAD THIS. 
          THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY BEFORE I PASS IT TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES, IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMENT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD ABOUT, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. 
          THERE'S ALSO BEEN A PROPOSAL THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER, UH, HAS PUT OUT THAT IS A, UH, A, A MOTION SHEET THAT I'VE SEEN, UH, THIS MORNING THAT HAS, UM, UH, THREE DIFFERENT PARTS THAT ALL RELATE TO EMPLOYEES BEING IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE INPUT. 
          UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I LOOK AT THAT. 
          I WANT EVERYBODY TO PLEASE LOOK AT THAT. 
          BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, UM, I SEE NOTHING IN THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE ADDED AND WOULD MAKE IT, ASSUMING THAT THE AUTHOR OF THE AMENDMENT, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE KIND OF THING THAT WE WOULD PUT AS A ANOTHER VERSION, A VERSION TWO, WHICH OF COURSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS, IS THE WAY WE TRY TO OPERATE WHEN WE CAN. 
          AND I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY THAT ALSO OUT LOUD THAT I'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND THINK THAT THAT OUGHT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO A VERSION TWO, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE, UH, THE AUTHOR OF THE AMENDMENT. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, TURN IT OVER, UH, TO THE PERSON THAT PULLED THE ITEM IN ADDITION TO THE, THE, THE PROMISE THAT IT WOULD BE PULLED. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR OPENING COMMENTS 'CAUSE THAT REALLY HELPS FRAME, UM, WHERE YOU'RE AT ON, ON THE ITEM SINCE YOU BROUGHT THIS FORWARD FOR OUR FULL CONSIDERATION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A REALLY ROBUST CONVERSATION AT THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. 
          UM, CUSTOMER LANE, I BELIEVE YOU JOINED US FOR THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND, UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THE FULL DI IS HERE ON THIS ITEM IS JUST A, A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AROUND FOUR PARTS OF ADOPTING THIS COMPREHENSIVE EFFICIENCY AUDIT, AUDIT BY ORDINANCE. 
          AND, UM, AS I GO THROUGH IT, BUT WELL, BEFORE I GO THROUGH IT, I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER YOUR AMENDMENT. 
          UH, LOOKS GREAT. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SPEAKING TO OUR CITY WORKERS AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS TYPE OF COMPREHENSIVE EFFICIENCY AUDIT. 
          AND I SUPPORT IT AND THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT AS A VERSION TWO TO THE OR PROPOSED ORDINANCE. 
          UM, SO THE SECTIONS OR THE QUESTIONS I WANNA ASK, UH, ABOUT ARE COST AND TIMELINE, THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT, AS WELL AS PRIVATIZATION EFFORTS AND HOW WE'RE SAFEGUARDING AGAINST THAT, AS WELL AS WORKER INPUT. 
          AND, UM, COLLEAGUES, I AM WORKING ON DIRECTION ON THE ITEM, NOT AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, BUT DIRECTION TO HELP GUIDE THE RFP AND CONTRACT PROCESS. 
          UM, SO DEPENDING ON TODAY'S CONVERSATION, I OF COURSE WOULD WELCOME AND SUPPORT A A A, A POSTPONEMENT OR A DELAY TO HELP US WORK THROUGH IT. 
          BUT IF IT SEEMS EVERYONE IS GOOD TO GO, THEN THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M JUST FLAGGING THAT I'LL HAVE DIRECTION ON THE ITEM. 
          UH, SO THE FIRST QUESTION, SO GOING BACK TO OUR AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CONSIDERED THE PROPOSAL, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I HAD OR CONCERNS I HAD IS, YOU KNOW, COULD THIS POTENTIALLY BE A BLANK CHECK? AND REALLY WANTING TO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF US UNDERGOING A COMPREHENSIVE EFFICIENCY AUDIT. 
          OUR CITY AUDITOR LAID OUT THAT THIS WOULD BE DONE OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          AND SO I REALLY WANT TO DIG DEEPLY ON THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT THAT WE ARE MAKING FORWARD BY ADOPTING THIS ORDINANCE. 
          AND SO WE HAVE HERE AUDITOR, UH, DIRECTOR AVI. 
          AND I WANNA ASK YOU IF YOU COULD JUST WALK US THROUGH ANTICIPATED COST TO THIS ORDINANCE AND, UH, HOW YOU MIGHT STRUCTURE THIS RFP FOR THIS WORK. 
          AND SPECIFICALLY I WANNA GET AT, ARE YOU THINKING ONE LARGE CONSULTANT, SEVERAL SMALLER CONSULTANTS, UM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN ALSO TA TALK US THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS ALSO ILLUMINATING OR THE TIMELINE FOR THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. 
          SURE. 
          UH, JASON, AVI, CITY AUDITOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          SO I GUESS I WOULD START WITH THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS. 
          WE, WE ATTEMPTED TO PULL SOME MARKET RESEARCH THAT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY CREDIBLE NUMBERS 
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BECAUSE THIS IS AN UNPRECEDENTED, UH, TYPE OF ASSESSMENT. 
          I DON'T HAVE COMPARABLES TO LOOK THROUGH. 
          SO I KNOW THAT'S, UM, UH, SCARY  APPROACH. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE CONTROLS IN PLACE THAT I THINK WILL, WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT CONCERN. 
          SO IF, IF THE ORDINANCE WERE PASSED AND WE STARTED A PROCUREMENT PROCESS, WHICH I CAN GIVE MORE DETAILS ON IN A MINUTE, THERE'S STILL A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES. 
          IF THE COSTS THAT, THAT COME OUT OF THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS APPEAR TO EXCESSIVE OR UNPALATABLE TO THE COUNCIL, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY AT OUR BUDGET PROCESS WHERE IF YOU DON'T GIVE US THE FUNDING, THEN I DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO, TO CONTRACT. 
          OR IF WE'RE AT THE CONTRACT APPROVAL LEVEL WHERE WE'VE DONE A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, WE'VE COME BACK WITH MULTIPLE BIDS AND NONE OF THEM ARE IN A, UH, A PRICE RANGE THAT FEELS COMFORTABLE, THEN, UH, MAYOR, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL SIMPLY JUST HAS TO NOT APPROVE THE CONTRACT. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT OUT ANYTHING FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE OTHER THAN THE TIME COMMITTED TO THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. 
          FROM A PROCUREMENT PROCESS STANDPOINT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A MULTI-MONTH PROCESS. 
          IT WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO DO A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, UH, TO HAVE MULTIPLE FIRMS, UH, PUT TOGETHER PROPOSALS, UH, WITH, UM, WITH COST ESTIMATES AND COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. 
          I THINK THAT LEVEL OF COMPETITION'S GOOD FOR A GOVERNMENT AND IT'S GOOD FOR US. 
          UH, THAT WOULD TAKE MULTIPLE FOUR TO SIX MONTHS AND, UH, WE WOULD EVALUATE THOSE, UH, LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER PROCUREMENT, UH, PROCESS AND ASSISTANCE WITH, WITH THE PURCHASING OFFICE. 
          UM, AND THEN COME BACK TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH, YOU KNOW, WHO WE THINK FOR THE, PROVIDED THE BEST PROPOSAL THAT I WOULD, I WOULD WANNA LOOK AT NOT STRICTLY PRICE, PRICE WOULD CERTAINLY BE A FACTOR, BUT I WOULD WANNA, UH, EVALUATE GIVEN THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE PUT OUT, WHAT, WHAT THE DIFFERENT FIRMS HAVE PUT TOGETHER AS FAR AS THEIR APPROACH TO CONDUCTING THIS ASSESSMENT, AND IF THEY HAVE ANY INNOVATIVE TECHNIQUES OR IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO APPROACH THIS IN ADDITION TO WHAT KIND OF ASSESSMENTS THEY'VE DONE FOR OTHER, OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES IN THE PAST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE AT LEAST KNOW THOUGH, THAT THE CITY OF HOUSTON, THEY UNDER DID THEIR AUDIT AND THAT COSTS ABOUT 500,000. 
          AM I RIGHT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN DOCUMENTATION TO THAT EFFECT, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          AND THAT WAS OVER A 10 WEEK PERIOD. 
          THAT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING AND WHAT YOU'RE LAYING OUT FOR US IN THIS PROPOSAL OR THIS POTENTIAL ORDINANCE, SHOULD IT BE ADOPTED, IS THAT IT WOULD, WE'RE LOOKING AT A FOUR TO SIX MONTH RFP PROCESS, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE, COUNCIL WOULD THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THE CONTRACT AMOUNT, POTENTIALLY SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE FINANCIAL, WE DON'T, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ESTIMATE THE COSTS AT THIS POINT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT COLLEAGUES THAT DOES COME RIGHT IN ALMOST TOWARDS THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. 
          AND I KNOW, MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED WANTING TO GET AT LEAST ONE OF THE ASSESSMENTS IN, IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE. 
          SO JUST WANNA FLAG THAT AS, UM, AS PART OF THE PROCESS HERE. 
          UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS AROUND THE SCOPE. 
          AND CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH HOW THIS AUDIT, UH, ONE THING THAT YOU STRUCK OUT TO ME IN CONVERSATIONS I WAS HAVING WITH THE MANAGER AS WELL IS, YOU KNOW, THIS LAYS OUT A DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT ASSESSMENT, UM, BUT YOU, WHEN YOU AND I MET YESTERDAY, YOU VIEW THIS ORDINANCE AS IT WOULD ASSESS FUNCTION. 
          SO EVEN IF WE'RE AUDITING HR, IT WOULD GO ACROSS, UH, SERVICES, UH, DEPENDING, OR ACROSS DEPARTMENTS DEPENDING ON THE SERVICE. 
          SURE. 
          THE, THE CURRENT LANGUAGE REQUIRES THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT IS, IS COVERED THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE TO TOUCH EVERY DEPARTMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS RESTRICTIVE IN A WAY THAT WE HAVE TO DO ONE DEPARTMENT AT A TIME. 
          AND GIVEN THE NATURE OF SOME DEPARTMENTS, PARTICULARLY ALL OF THE INTERNAL SERVICE, UH, SUPPORT SERVICES, DEPARTMENTS, HR, IT, FINANCE, PURCHASING, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE CROSS-CUTTING, THOSE TOUCH ALL PARTS OF THE CITY. 
          SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE FUNCTIONS RATHER THAN JUST THE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR OWN VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE EVALUATING PARKS OR LIBRARIES, THAT THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO JUST LOOK AT THOSE OPERATIONS ON THEIR OWN. 
          BUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE TOUCH HR, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA HIT EVERY DEPARTMENT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          ONE THING, JUST TO TAKE IT BACK ON THE CONSULTANT PIECE, YOU'RE MEASURING THIS AS ONE BIG CONSULTANT OR SMALL? YES, MA'AM. 
          SORRY, I DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT BEFORE. 
          YES, MY VISION WOULD BE ONE, ONE CONSULTANT TO DO THE ENTIRE ASSESSMENT. 
          I WOULD WANT SOME CONSISTENCY, UM, FROM, UH, ONE PART OF THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS TO THE NEXT, SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE SAME LENS, USING THE SAME TECHNIQUES AND THE APPROACHES AND, UH, ANALYZING THINGS IN, IN THE SAME WAY. 
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OKAY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER AREA I WANTED TO DIG INTO, AND COUNCIL MEMBER AL ALTER'S AMENDMENT SPEAKS TO THE WORKERS, THEIR INPUT AND PROCESS AND COLLEAGUES. 
          I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT AFSCME DID SEND A LETTER TO OUR OFFICES HIGHLIGHTING THEIR CONCERNS WITH THE ITEM AND ONE AREA THAT THEY INCLUDED ON PAGE THREE OF THEIR LETTER. 
          AND THEY STATE, MANY OF OUR MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF SYSTEMIC INEFFICIENCIES AND ARE READY TO PROVIDE INNOVATIVE SUGGESTIONS AND CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT ON IMPROVEMENTS THAT REDUCE COSTS AND IMPROVE EFFICIENCY. 
          AND SO I THINK THIS, THIS MATTERS AND IS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE OUR WORKERS' UNION SAY THEY KNOW AND HAVE IDEAS OF WHERE THE CITY CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT IN THEIR SERVICE DELIVERY. 
          AND SO I REALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, UPDATING THE POTENTIAL ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE WORKERS' INPUT AND PROCESS AND GIVING THEM A ROLE IN THIS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO BE REAL ABOUT IT. 
          THIS IS A VERY CONCERNING TIME THAT WE'RE IN. 
          AND KNOWING THAT WE WILL BE UNDERTAKING A COMPREHENSIVE AUDIT ACROSS ALL OF OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. 
          CERTAINLY THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR AND ANXIETY OF WHAT THAT CAN MEAN TO SOMEONE'S JOB, TO THEIR ROLE, TO THEIR PLACE WITH THE CITY, UH, AND THE IMPACT THAT THAT COULD HAVE. 
          AND SO WE KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE CLOSEST TO THE PROCESSES ARE BEST POSITIONED TO PROVIDE US WITH, UM, WAYS WE CAN IMPROVE. 
          AND SO, UH, AUDITOR AVI, CAN YOU SPEAK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE AND ENSURE THAT WE'RE EMPOWERING WORKERS AS PART OF THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT ASSESSMENT, UM, AND NOT JUST SUBJECTING THEM TO THESE REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDATIONS? SURE. 
          UH, SO I'LL SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE IN STRONG WORKFORCE. 
          I BELIEVE ANY ORGANIZATION IS ONLY AS STRONG AS THE EMPLOYEES THAT, THAT IT HOLDS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FACTOR THAT INTO OUR AUDIT PROCESS AND THE WAY THAT WE, WE CONDUCT OURSELVES EVEN OUTSIDE OF THIS ASSESSMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE RUN A FRAUD HOTLINE THAT MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET WILL COME FROM EMPLOYEES. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE ISSUES OF PERCEPTION, AND SOME OF THEM TURN OUT TO BE, UH, ACTUAL ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          WE HAVE A SUBMIT NEW AUDIT IDEAS, UH, FORM ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE EMPLOYEES CAN, CAN, UM, ASK TO BE AUDITED. 
          THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN A WHOLE LOT. 
          NOT, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW ARE ASKING TO BE AUDITED. 
          UH, BUT THAT IS A VEHICLE, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO USE. 
          AND THEN IN THE COURSE OF ALL OF OUR AUDITS, WE, WE USE SURVEYS WHENEVER APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF TRYING TO OVER SURVEY OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          WE, WE ALWAYS WANNA GET, UH, GET TO THE, THE FEELINGS OF WHAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE SEEING WHEN WE'RE AUDITING ANY PROGRAM OR ANY SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT. 
          SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SURVEYS WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HR PROCESSES RELATED TO EMPLOYEE RETENTION, SUCCESSION PLANNING. 
          SO I WOULD ENVISION, UM, THE EMPLOYEES HAVING A VOICE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. 
          UH, WHEN WE DO THIS ASSESSMENT, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE ANY EXTERNAL CONSULTANT THAT'S HIRED TO DO THIS, TO INCORPORATE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN COLLECT FROM OUR FRONTLINE WORKERS WHO, WHO SEE THINGS FIRSTHAND AND, AND PROBABLY HAVE REALLY GOOD IDEAS ABOUT WAYS WE COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE EFFECTIVE. 
          AND SO THAT'S GREAT. 
          'CAUSE I, I REALLY, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE LAYING OUT IS THAT OUR WORKERS WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE ASSESSMENT BY PARTICIPATING IN THE INFORMATION GATHERING, PROVIDING THEIR INPUT. 
          HOW WILL, HOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE ONCE THE, THIS EXTERNAL CONSULTANT PROVIDES RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE AUDITED HR. 
          HERE'S 10 RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW YOU CAN IMPROVE YOUR SERVICES. 
          WILL OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN SAY, THIS MAKES SENSE, OR ACTUALLY, THIS IS WAY OFF GUARD. 
          AND THE REASON WHY I ASK THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S THIS UNDERLYING SENTIMENT OF WHEN YOU HIRE THIRD PARTY EXTERNAL CONTRACTORS, THEY MAY NOT BE FROM AUSTIN, THEY MAY NOT KNOW THE CITY OF AUSTIN WORK CULTURE. 
          THEY MAY NOT KNOW HOW THINGS ARE DONE AND WHY THEY'RE DONE IN A CERTAIN WAY, GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THAT PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT THE, THE CONSULTANT WOULD FACTOR THAT INPUT IN BEFORE DEVELOPING FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I THINK THAT THE, THE FINDINGS OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF AN ASSESSMENT LIKE THIS ARE GONNA COVER A SPECTRUM. 
          UH, ON ONE END THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME OPERATIONAL DECISIONS THAT, THAT THE MANAGER CAN JUST MAKE WHERE WE SAY, HEY, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE CITY IS PAYING X DOLLARS FOR WIDGETS IN THIS DEPARTMENT, AND IF THEY FOLLOWED A CONTRACT USED BY A PEER CITY, WE COULD SAVE 10 OR 15% ON PURCHASING SUCH WIDGETS. 
          THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK NEEDS TO, UH, COME UP TO A PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND EVERYONE LOOK AT IT. 
          I THINK IT JUST OFFERS A, AN EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENT THAT MANAGEMENT CAN UNDERTAKE. 
          I THINK AT THE OTHER END OF THAT SPECTRUM, THERE COULD BE SOME POLICY DECISIONS 
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THAT, THAT GET BROUGHT HERE THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER. 
          AND PUBLIC INPUT, INCLUDING EMPLOYEE INPUT, COULD, COULD WEIGH IN ON, UH, A WAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE APPROACHING ANY ONE OF OUR NUMBER OF SERVICES. 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A, A BROAD SPECTRUM OF SIGNIFICANCE IN HOW LARGE SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE, AND SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT WE CAN, WE CAN JUST CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE'RE HANDLING SOMETHING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MY LAST QUESTION IS ON THE EFFICIENCY DASHBOARD. 
          THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCILMAN ALTER YOU BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT? YES. 
          I'M HOPING TO HAVE SOMETHING UP AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. 
          SO WE'RE, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON, WE'RE WORKING ON UTILIZING A STORY WITHIN THE OPEN DATA PORTAL TO, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EFFICIENCY UMBRELLA. 
          AND THE RESULTS OF ANY ASSESSMENT THAT COME OUT OF THIS WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PORTRAYED THERE. 
          AND THEN SIDE BY SIDE THERE WOULD BE THE DASHBOARD. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING IS, IS UTILIZING, UH, A FORM WITHIN, WITHIN THE CITY'S NETWORK WHERE DEPARTMENTS CAN SELF-REPORT EFFICIENCIES THAT THEY'RE MAKING. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME OF OUR OWN. 
          AND SO THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PUT OUT THERE, THESE ARE ALL THE ACTIONS THAT THE CITY'S ALREADY TAKING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS NOT A HUGE DOLLAR AMOUNT, I KNOW THIS, BUT JUST, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, WE SWITCHED AUDIT WORKING PAPER SYSTEMS AND, AND THE NEW SYSTEM THAT WE IMPLEMENTED WAS ABOUT $20,000 PER YEAR CHEAPER THAN THE OLD ONE. 
          AND SO IF A DEPARTMENT MAKES A DECISION WHERE THEY LOWER THE COST, OR MAYBE THERE'S NO COST IMPACT, BUT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING MORE, MORE EFFICIENTLY FROM A TIMELINESS PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO THEY CHANGED THE WAY THEY'RE APPROVING A PERMIT, AND NOW THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN A MATTER OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS INSTEAD OF A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          THAT THIS IS A PLACE WHERE DEPARTMENTS CAN REPORT THOSE, THOSE EFFICIENCIES AND WILL PUT THEM UP ON THE DASHBOARD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE. 
          AND, UM, MAYBE LEAVE LESS THINGS FOR AN EXTERNAL CONSULTANT TO FIND. 
          I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          'CAUSE A HUGE PART OF THIS EFFORT AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THE NEED FOR TRANSPARENCY. 
          SO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DASHBOARD BY THE END OF THE MONTH WHERE WE CAN ALREADY SHOW THE PROGRESS THAT THE CITY IS MAKING AND IS DEMONSTRATING, I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY. 
          SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THE PROGRESS ON IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SIEGEL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR, AND, AND THANK YOU TO YOU AND THE SUBC QUORUM AND ALSO CITY AUDITOR FOR BRINGING THIS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POLICY, UM, WHICH WOULD ANALYZE THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES AND HOPEFULLY BUILD TRUST, UH, THAT THE CITY IS SPENDING OUR SCARCE RESOURCES WISELY. 
          UH, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND WE'LL MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. 
          UM, JUST WANNA START WITH A, A PIECE OF THE PROPOSED CODE THAT RELATES TO A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT. 
          AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF I SHOULD DIRECT THIS QUESTION TO YOU, MAYOR, OR OR TO STAFF, BUT, UM, THE PROPOSED CODE SAYS, I'LL PUN IT TO HIM FIRST. 
          PLEASE DO. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, SO IT SAYS, AMENDMENTS TO THIS SECTION MAY ONLY BE ADOPTED BY THE FAVORABLE VOTE OF AT LEAST EIGHT COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND REPEAL OF THE SECTION MAY ONLY BE ADOPTED BY THE FAVORABLE VOTE OF AT LEAST NINE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M CURIOUS, FIRST OF ALL, LIKE, UM, UH, KIND OF THE PROCEDURAL ASPECT OF THIS TO CREATE A, A CODE AMENDMENT THAT REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY TO BE ALTERED. 
          DO WE NEED A SUPER MAJORITY OF COUNSEL TO ADOPT IT ORIGINALLY? NO. 
          AND LET YOU WANNA TAKE THAT, JASON? I'M, I'M TEASING. 
          NO, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, UH, I'M TEASING. 
          UM, LET ME WALK THROUGH ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL PARTS IN PART YOU DIDN'T ASK, BUT I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE OF ALL OF IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THE GOAL OF THAT PROVISION, UH, WAS TO MAKE IT WHERE, UH, THE PUBLIC HAS CONFIDENCE THAT WE REALLY MEAN WHAT WE WE'RE SAYING. 
          THAT WE WANT TO DO THIS AND CREATE CONFIDENCE AND TRUST, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WON'T SURVIVE THE NEXT MEETING, MUCH LESS THE NEXT MAYOR AND COUNCIL, RIGHT? UH, TO CREATE A HURDLE IF YOU, IF YOU WILL, NOT SUCH A HURDLE THAT YOU CAN'T FIX THINGS AS YOU GO ALONG. 
          I MEAN, TO THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S POINT ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WE MIGHT FIND AS WE GO ALONG. 
          WE MIGHT WANT TO FIX SOMETHING. 
          IT ALLOWS THE COUNCIL THEN TO FIX THOSE AS OPPOSED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING TO GO TO A VOTE OF THE PUBLIC IN ORDER TO FIX SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN IN, INTO OUR CONSTITUTION, INTO OUR CHARTER. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S AN EFFORT TO HIT A BALANCE, IF YOU WILL, THAT THIS IS GOING TO SURVIVE. 
          WE REALLY MEAN IT, THE CITY REALLY MEANS IT, BUT YET PRACTICALLY IT CAN BE FIXED. 
          NOW IT IS JUST A HURDLE. 
          AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. 
          THE REQUIREMENT FOR NINE, YOU STILL COULD CHANGE THAT 
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WITH SIX. 
          SO IT TO YOUR QUE TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A VOTE OF NINE TO PUT IT IN AT NINE. 
          UH, IT WON'T EVEN REQUIRE A VOTE OF NINE UNLESS THE PUBLIC, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO OVERRIDE THE PUBLIC'S DESIRE AND HAVE A COUNSEL THAT WOULD GO WITH SIX IN ORDER TO CHANGE THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST THE LEGAL, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, BUT I WANTED, AS, AS I DRAFTED, AS I WAS WORKING ON THE DRAFT OF THIS, I WANTED TO PUT A, A, A MARKER OUT THERE THAT THIS WAS SERIOUS AND THAT WE MEANT IT. 
          AND SO ANY THIS COUNCIL OR ANY FUTURE COUNSEL WOULD NEED TO SAY, WELL, WE KNOW WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE WITH LESS THAN WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. 
          NOW, THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT IS THAT THE DRI THE, THE DRAFT THAT YOU'RE READING FROM, I WANTED IT TO, UH, THE REASON IT SAYS EIGHT TO AMEND, NINE TO REPEAL WAS THE ORIGINAL THINKING ON THAT WAS, WELL, IF YOU WANT TO AMEND IT TO FIX SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A PROBLEM, THEN WHAT YOU COULD DO IS MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT EASIER THAN AN ABSOLUTE REPEAL. 
          BUT AS COMMENT GOT MADE AND I THOUGHT MORE ABOUT IT, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS THAT, WELL, THEN WHAT YOU COULD DO IS JUST AMEND THE FIRE OUT OF THE THING, AMEND IT, AMEND IT, AMEND IT, AMEND IT, AND YOU BASICALLY TAKE ALL THE, THE, THE TEETH OUT OF IT, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND YOU HAVE NOT REPEALED IT WITH NINE, BUT YOU'VE AMENDED IT TO BASICALLY EFFECTIVELY A, A REPEAL. 
          SO MY THOUGHT WAS PROBABLY IN VERSION TWO WAS TO JUST GO TO NINE, UM, FOR ACROSS THE BOARD FOR AMENDMENT OR REPEAL, SO THAT YOU WOULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE, AGAIN, YOU'RE SAYING TO THE PUBLIC, WE COULD PROBABLY DO THIS WITH SIX, BUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA SAY TO YOU IS, UM, IT, IT, IT FUTURE, THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCILS WOULD NEED TO GO OVER ITS VERY OWN ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 
          AND IT COULD DO IT. 
          BUT I HOPE THAT THAT WAS A, YEAH, NO, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          AND I, I KIND OF APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT ALMOST TO MAKE IT CHARTER. 
          LIKE, LIKE THAT'S, THAT WAS THE GOAL. 
          AND AS MUCH AS COUNCIL CAN DO WITHOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SENDING TO THE VOTERS THAT THAT IS, THAT IS THAT, THAT WAS THE GOAL WAS TO MAKE IT MAKE, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          AND IT IS AS THE WORD WAS USED BY OUR AUDITOR, IT'S UNPRECEDENTED, BUT I WANT IT TO BE UNPRECEDENTED. 
          I THINK THE COUNCIL WANTS IT TO BE UNPRECEDENTED. 
          I HADN'T HEARD ANYBODY, I HADN'T HEARD ANY DISCUSSION YET THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO ASSURE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. 
          THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT SOME MECHANISM FOR AN EFFICIENCY ASSESSMENT. 
          UM, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, YES, IT, IT OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL SURVIVE RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, WELL, ALONG THOSE LINES, I HAVE KIND OF TWO LINES OF QUESTIONS THAT I'LL ASK. 
          UH, BUT I THINK, UM, WHAT YOU SHARED REALLY TO ME BRINGS HOME THAT WE NEED TO MEASURE TWICE AND CUT ONCE, RIGHT? AGREE. 
          WE, WE NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT. 
          AND I DID HEAR YOU SAY YOU MIGHT BE OPEN TO GIVING A LITTLE MORE TIME. 
          I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR TWO MONTHS. 
          SO, UH, I, I WANNA BE CLEAR, UM, I, WHAT I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS I WANT US TO HAVE THE THOROUGH DISCUSSION, UM, BECAUSE, AND, AND WE, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT THOROUGH DISCUSSION BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY PROUD WE DID, AND WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE PROUD OF IT. 
          AND SO LET'S, LET'S GET IT RIGHT AND LET'S BE THOUGHTFUL. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES BROUGHT UP THE LETTER WE ALL RECEIVED FROM AFSCME LOCAL 1624. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THERE WERE TWO POINTS I WANTED TO KIND OF ASK THROUGH QUESTIONS. 
          AND ONE IS THEY'VE ASKED FOR CONSULTATION BEFORE WE ADOPT THE POLICY. 
          AND THE SECOND THEY, UM, REALLY RAISED DIFFERENT CONCERNS ABOUT COST AND ROI. 
          AND IN TERMS OF THE, THE CONSULTATION REQUEST, I REALLY APPRECIATED WHAT THE AUDITOR SHARED ABOUT YOUR COMMITMENT TO CONSULTING WITH EMPLOYEES IN THE COURSE OF AN AUDIT. 
          UH, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND I'M SURE THE, UH, THE UNION WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS CONSULTATION ON THE POLICY ITSELF BEFORE WE ADOPT IT AS WELL. 
          AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF I SHOULD ADDRESS THIS QUESTION TO YOU, MAYOR OR, OR THE AUDITOR, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WE HAD JUST ADOPTED THIS CONSULTATION POLICY, OR AT LEAST A RESOLUTION THAT THE MANAGER IS GONNA CREATE A POLICY ABOUT. 
          IS THERE A WAY WE COULD BRING THAT PROCESS INTO THIS, MAYBE IN AN EXPEDITED WAY TO ALLOW REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY WORKERS UNION, WHICH REPRESENTS THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES TO SIT DOWN, UH, WITH LEADERSHIP BEFORE THIS, THIS ORDINANCE IS FINALIZED? WELL, I DON'T, 
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I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY, FIRST OF ALL, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT ALL OF THAT INPUT, RIGHT? UM, AND I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS, UM, WANTS TO AND TRIES TO BE INVOLVED WITH OUR WORKERS AND SUPPORTS OUR WORKERS. 
          I, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A VOTE WHILE WE'VE BEEN HERE THAT ANYBODY COULD POINT TO THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          UM, THAT REQUIRES THEM TO PROVIDE US INPUT THOUGH, AND, AND REQUIRES THEM TO PROVIDE US THE INPUT IN A TIMELY FASHION. 
          UM, AND SO WE WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY REQUEST, IS THAT IT NOT BE A MECHANISM TO, TO JUST DELAY SOMETHING. 
          IT IT'S PART OF A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I AGREE. 
          UM, AND I, I HEAR, I SEE A NODDING HEAD FROM ONE OF OUR, A REPRESENTATIVES OUT THERE. 
          UM, WELL, WONDERFUL. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WAS NEW TO ME THAT WAS IN THE LETTER WAS, UH, REFERENCED TO THIS GARTNER REPORT, UM, I HADN'T BEEN FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WAS A VOTE IN 2023 TO ADOPT A $17 MILLION CONTRACT WITH GARDNER GARTNER FOR IT RESTRUCTURING. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK THE, THE INITIAL CONTRACT SAID IT RESTRUCTURING, BUT THE CONCERN RAISED, UH, BY AFSCME IN THE LETTER IS THAT THIS GARTNER CONTRACT IS BEING USED FOR, UH, THE POTENTIAL REORGANIZATION AND CONSOLIDATION OF AUSTIN TECHNOLOGY SERVICES. 
          AND I WANTED TO ASK IF THE MANAGER OR A REPRESENTATIVE COULD KIND OF RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE GARTNER CONTRACT? AND THEN IF SO, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROI, UH, YES, GARTNER HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE, UM, UM, IT REORGANIZATION WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. 
          THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY CONSULTANT, BUT THEY'RE THE CONSULTANT THAT, UH, DID, DID THE BENCHMARKING AND THE ANALYSIS AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IS THERE A REPORT THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN SHARED WITH COUNSEL? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BEEN SHARED WITH COUNSEL, BUT IT IS A PUBLIC REPORT, SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THEN, UM, MR. VANUE, UM, UM, COULD YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR KIND OF ANALYSIS OF THE ROI OF OUR INVESTMENT IN GARTNER IN TERMS OF, UM, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VERY LARGE SUM OF MONEY, REPRESENTS A LOT OF JOBS POTENTIALLY. 
          UH, AND SO HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WE'RE GONNA GET FROM THIS CONSULTING CONTRACT? WELL, THIS CONSULTING CONTRACT WITH GARTNER IS NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS INDIVIDUAL STUDY. 
          SO GARTNER IS A LARGE GLOBAL IT CONSULTING FIRM. 
          UM, THEY PROVIDE RESEARCH, THEY PROVIDE ANALYST CONSULTATIONS. 
          THEY ALSO HAVE A CONSULTING LINE OF BUSINESS. 
          AND SO THAT CONTRACT THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING FROM, UH, I BELIEVE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH GARTNER WAS A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT. 
          UM, GARTNER IS USED ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION BY CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE IT PRESENCES. 
          IT'S NOT JUST INFORMATION SECURITY AND UM, UM, A TS, BUT AGAIN, THEY PROVIDE KIND OF JUST DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONAL, UM, UM, RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS TO SUPPORT DEPARTMENTS IN THEIR IT NEEDS. 
          BUT THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A CONSULTING BRANCH THAT WOULD DO A DEEP DIVE ANALYSIS, LIKE WHAT THEY DID ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL, UM, STRUCTURE. 
          THEY'RE ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, A TS ON A CITYWIDE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S TECHNOLOGY, UM, PRESENCE IN REGARDS TO THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR, UM, THE RESEARCH THEY'RE DOING SPECIFIC TO THE ORGANIZATIONAL DESIGN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WORK WAS IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS TO GET THE, TO GET TO THE RESULT. 
          AND I THINK THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS FROM STREAMLINING OUR APPLICATIONS, UM, JUST ON THE APPLICATION SIDE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IN, IN MANY INSTANCES I COULD POINT TO WHERE WE HAVE 10, IF NOT 12 APPLICATIONS THAT OSTENSIBLY DO THE SAME THING. 
          AND IS THAT THE MOST OP, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE MOST EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO OPERATE? UH, THE ADVICE OF THE CONSULTANT WAS, NO, IT'S NOT. 
          AND IF YOU CONSOLIDATED, UH, THOSE APPLICATIONS INTO A SINGLE APPLICATION OR MAYBE TWO OR THREE APPLICATIONS, DEPENDING UPON THE CIRCUMSTANCES, NOT ONLY WOULD IT BE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE, UM, BUT YOU'D ALSO SAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN DOING SO. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S A, A, A WORK THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR US TO ORGANIZE? ANOTHER PIECE OF WORK THAT'S GOING ON IS THAT WHOLE APPLICATION RATIONALIZATION PROCESS WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE THOUSANDS OF APPLICATIONS IN USE ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION AND ARE ALL THOSE APPLICATIONS GIVING US THE ROI, UH, THAT WE, WE WANT AND EXPECT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ENSURE FOR OUR TAXPAYERS THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK IN THAT ARENA. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ON THAT. 
          NO, IT IS HELPFUL. 
          AND I GUESS I'D LIKE TO TURN TO THE CITY AUDITOR. 
          UM, UH, AND I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED THIS SOME, 
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UM, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S WORTH IT OR NOT TO, UH, ENGAGE IN A PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, CONSULTANT CONTRACT FOR THESE KINDS OF EFFICIENCY AUDITS? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE PROTECT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY CREATE COST CONTROLS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SPENDING MILLIONS AND NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, GOOD INFORMATION BACK. 
          THAT'S TOUGH. 
          I WOULD SAY, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO IN ADVANCE WITH THE TYPE OF ASSESSMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE ASKING SOMEONE TO COME IN AND HELP US RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY ON ME TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M, I'M MANAGING THAT CONTRACT AND WORKING WITH THAT CONSULTANT IN A WAY WHERE THEY'RE PRODUCING SOMETHING OF VALUE. 
          UM, IF THE, IF THE EFFICIENCY DASHBOARD AND THE, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENTS VOLUNTARILY COMING UP WITH EFFICIENCIES IS, IS SO EFFECTIVE AND SO PROFOUND THAT THE CONSULTANTS NOT FINDING A LOT OF THINGS, OR THEY'RE ONLY FINDING THESE MAJOR POLICY SHIFTS THAT, YOU KNOW, AREN'T EASILY IMPLEMENTABLE, I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO COME COME HERE AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING AN ROI ON THIS ANYMORE. 
          I, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE UNKNOWN AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A AN INDEPENDENT FIRM, AN INDEPENDENT EXPERT COMING IN AND LOOKING AT THINGS FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND HOPEFULLY IDENTIFYING SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT. 
          CAN, CAN I INTERRUPT PLEASE? JUST REAL QUICK TO ADD TO THAT, UM, THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY ALSO PROVIDES THAT, THAT WE WILL RECEIVE, UH, REPORTS AT LEAST ANNUAL REPORTS TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, UH, TWICE A YEAR AT LEAST, RIGHT. 
          TO AUDIT AND FINANCE. 
          AND OF COURSE, WE CAN ALWAYS REQUEST THEM MORE FREQUENTLY. 
          AND THAT PUTS THE COUNCIL ULTIMATELY IN A POSITION, UH, IN A GOVERNANCE POSITION WHERE QUESTIONS, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS CAN BE ASKED ABOUT ROI, UH, BECAUSE IT, IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS AN ONGOING IMPROVEMENT PROCESS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT SORT OF INPUT. 
          THE, THE COUNCIL WILL EVEN BE HELPING US AS THINGS GO ALONG WITH SETTING THE CADENCE. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY GET INTO THE DETAIL OF WHAT THE CADENCE HAS TO BE IS THAT THE AUDITOR WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL AND THEN BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL ROI AS ONE EXAMPLE VALUE, UH, I GUESS WOULD BE THE OTHER WORD I WOULD THROW IN, WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR CHANGES. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          AND I GUESS, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION TO THE AUDITOR, AND IT KIND OF RELATES TO HOW DO WE, UH, INCORPORATE OUR COMMUNITY VALUES INTO THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT PROCESS. 
          UH, FOR EXAMPLE, I COULD IMAGINE, UH, YOU HIRING A FIRM AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT'D BE A LOT CHEAPER IF WE FIRE ALL THE PARKS EMPLOYEES AND HIRE AN OUTSIDE GROUP TO RUN AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          AND SO IS THERE A WAY TO BUILD INTO KIND OF THE RFP PROCESS OR WHEN YOU, YOU PROCURE AN OUTSIDE AGENCY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAKING REPRESENTATIONS THAT ARE KIND OF IN LINE WITH OUR COMMUNITY VALUES AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY WORK INTO THE SCOPE OF WORK? I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT, THAT TIES TO WHY I WANT THIS TO BE A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS AND WHY I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO AN ASSESSMENT LIKE THIS IN ONE YEAR. 
          IF WE WANTED TO GO IN AND JUST FIND A WAY TO CUT, TO CUT SOME EXPENDITURES WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT ABOUT OPERATIONS OR COMMUNITY VALUE, THEN THAT WOULD BE A VERY QUICK ASSESSMENT TO DO. 
          BUT I THINK IF WE WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR OPERATIONS, I THINK WE'RE A REALLY WELL, WELL RUN CITY. 
          I WOULDN'T WANNA SACRIFICE EFFECTIVENESS TO, TO, TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL PROVIDING GREAT SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS. 
          AND SO TAKING THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION IN ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY VALUES, UH, STRATEGIC PLANS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE, SOME GOALS THAT WE'VE SET FOR OURSELVES, I THINK ALL OF THAT IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY THIS TAKES LONGER. 
          SO TO ME, IT'S BAKED INTO THE PROCESS, BUT WE CAN BE EXPLICIT ABOUT IT IN THE, IN THE SCOPE OF WORK. 
          WELL, THANK YOU MR. OTTER. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO, YOU KNOW, CONSULTING EMPLOYEES, UH, CONSIDERING OUR COMMITTEE VALUES, CONTROLLING COSTS. 
          AND I GUESS, UH, MAYOR, I WOULD JUST ASK IF YOU COULD FIT IN A BRIEF CONSULTATION WITH ASK ME BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER UCHIN FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU MR. AVI AND OTHERS FOR HELPING CLARIFY SOME THINGS, INCLUDING SOME GOOD QUESTIONS ALREADY FROM MY COLLEAGUES. 
          UH, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, THAT I WANTED TO GET TO. 
          AND ONE POINT I WANTED TO BUILD OFF OF FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER, UH, BUT LEMME START WITH A QUESTION ON, UH, THERE'S A SECTION UNDER, UM, 2 39 C I'M JUST GONNA READ IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE HERE, THAT, THAT THE EFFICIENCY ASSESSMENT, UH, IS GOING TO, IS GONNA HAVE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER CITY CONTRACTORS ARE MEETING UNIFORM 
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STANDARDS FOR PERFORMANCE METRICS, DOCUMENTATION OF REQUIRED DELIVERABLES, AND ACCOUNTING OF EXPENDITURES. 
          MY QUESTION IS, UM, IS YOUR SENSE THAT THIS IS LIMITED TO JUST CONTRACTORS BECAUSE THE CITY ALREADY HAS THE APPROPRIATE STANDARDS IN PLACE, UH, FOR OUR INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS? OR DO WE NEED TO GO ABOUT ESTABLISHING THAT SORT OF STANDARDIZATION IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT GOES, THAT GOES BEYOND WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE IN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE? HOW ARE YOU INTERPRETING THAT AND WHAT DO YOU, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION THERE? I THINK THAT THAT SECTION IS JUST, IS BEING SPECIFIC ABOUT THE CONTRACTOR ASPECT, BUT I, I BELIEVE THE, I THINK THAT'S 2 3 9 C THE, THE SECTION ABOVE THAT, UH, ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT PEER CITIES AND KPIS AND, AND MULTIPLE OTHER ELEMENTS, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT COVERS THE, THE NON-CONTRACT SIDE OF THINGS SO THAT I, IT'S GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT FROM WHATEVER PART OF THE CITY WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM ONE TO THE NEXT, UH, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, WHICH ENTERPRISE FUND WE MIGHT BE ADDRESSING. 
          NOT EVERY CITY HAS AN ELECTRIC UTILITY OR AN AIRPORT. 
          UM, STATE REGULATIONS ARE GONNA VARY. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT THE, THE ROOM IS BUILT INTO THE CURRENT LANGUAGE TO ALLOW US TO USE PEER CITY COMPARISONS AND HAVE THOSE MOVE BASED ON WHICH PART OF THE CITY WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT CONTRACTOR TERMS, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE UNIFORMITY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENGINEERS THAT WE'RE HIRING TO DESIGN A BRIDGE. 
          AND SO THERE MIGHT, THERE MIGHT BE SOME INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES THAT, THAT ARE BUILT IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE THOUGHT THROUGH BOTH ASPECTS THEN OF THE INTERNAL VERSUS THE CONTRACTOR. 
          YES, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ADDRESS BOTH SIDES. 
          AND, AND THEN JUST IN RELATION TO THAT, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT WHOLE SECTION C THAT YOU REFERRED TO. 
          UM, WE, IT OFTEN REFERS TO AN ANALYSIS THERE, BUT MY ASSUMPTION HAS BEEN THAT THAT ANALYSIS IS ULTIMATELY GONNA INVOLVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME FROM EITHER YOU AND OR THE VENDOR THAT YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR. 
          IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION? YEAH, ENVISION THE CONSULTANT COMING BACK WITH SOME, SOME AT LEAST OPPORTUNITIES. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TIMES WHERE SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT IS MORE CONCRETE, LIKE THE WIDGET EXAMPLE THAT I GAVE WHERE WE'RE OVERPAYING FOR THIS, WE COULD BE SAVING A LOT OF MONEY BY USING A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT SUPPLIER. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION AND, AND A LOT OF DECISION MAKERS AND LEADERS IN THIS ROOM WILL HAVE TO DISCUSS MAYBE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO HOW WE PROVIDE A CERTAIN SERVICE. 
          SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT THE, I WOULD, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO ASK A CONSULTANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITH SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS THAT BIG AND SAY, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          IF YOU CHOSE A DIFFERENT PATH, HERE'S SOME ALTERNATE APPROACHES TO THIS. 
          YOU COULD CREATE SOME EFFICIENCIES, BUT HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD COST YOU IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS OR, UM, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, ANY NUMBER OF FACTORS. 
          OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS JUST AGAIN, BUILD ON A POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER RAISED ABOUT, UM, TRYING TO ADDRESS A NEED FOR COMMUNITY INPUT IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND WE CONDUCTED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS WITH DIFFERENT FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, SOME CONSTITUENTS, SOME PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS SPACE, UH, TRYING TO GET A MIX OF OPINIONS, PEOPLE WITH SOME AUDITING BACKGROUND LIKE YOURSELF. 
          AND THE CONSISTENT THEME WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THOSE MEETINGS WAS THE NEED FOR FEELING LIKE THE PUBLIC HAS MORE INPUT AND INSIGHT INTO THIS SPACE IN GENERAL. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WE'VE DRAWN IS, AND THAT LED US TO DOWN A, A PATH OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE PLACES FOR THE PUBLIC TO CURRENTLY ENGAGE IN THIS SORT OF AUDITING FINANCIAL SPACE. 
          AND MY SENSE IS FROM REVIEWING THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS, FROM LOOKING AT INTERGOVERNMENTAL GROUPS THAT THE CITY'S GOT, THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT PLACE, BUT IF WE DO, I'D LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT IT SO I CAN DIRECT PEOPLE THERE. 
          AND IF WE DON'T, I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, IF THERE'S POTENTIALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE THAT SORT OF FEEDBACK. 
          MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS PROCESS AT THIS MOMENT, UH, ALTHOUGH I COULD SEE SOME VALUE IN IT, BUT MAYBE JUST GOING FORWARD ON BUDGETARY AND FINANCIAL ISSUES IN GENERAL. 
          SO I JUST WANNA FLOAT THAT IDEA, SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO VISIT WITH Y'ALL ABOUT, TO SEE IF THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS, THAT THERE ISN'T REALLY THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO CHANNEL THAT DEGREE OF INPUT THAT WE'RE SORT OF HAVING TO GO CONDUCT THESE MEETINGS OURSELVES AND SOLICIT THAT FEEDBACK IN PLACE OF, AGAIN, EITHER A BOARD OF COMMISSIONER, 
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A GOVERNMENTAL GROUP, OR SOME OTHER WAY TO CAPTURE THAT, THAT FEEDBACK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN REALLY VALUABLE FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR. 
          THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHEN WE, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS BEING REVIEWED AND, AND WHAT THE, THE PRODUCT IS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HIRE SOMEBODY TO GO, LET'S JUST TAKE A RR FOR EXAMPLE, TO GO LOOK AT OUR TRASH PICKUP SERVICE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU GOT RID OF THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AND CONTRACTED WITH TDS, IT'D SAVE YOU 5 MILLION BUCKS. 
          RIGHT? THAT IT'S, IT'S MORE ON THAT THEY'RE RUNNING THREE SHIFTS OVER HERE AND ONLY, YOU KNOW, PICKING UP VERY LITTLE WHEN IT COULD BE DONE IN TWO OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS SERVICE IS VERY, UH, DISPARATE. 
          MAYBE YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE IT HERE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IS MORE OF THE QUESTION WE'RE ASKING, RIGHT? RATHER THAN LIKE, HOW COULD YOU JUST DO THIS? HOW COULD SOMEONE ELSE DO THIS FOR YOU? YEAH. 
          I WOULD BE VERY DISAPPOINTED IF EVERY ASSESSMENT CAME BACK AND WAS JUST PRIVATIZE THIS, THAT . 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE GOAL OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. 
          UM, BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOUR EXAMPLE. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, THE SERVICE MODEL OFFERING ALTERNATE APPROACHES TO, TO THE SERVICE DELIVERY IN A WAY THAT IS MORE EFFICIENT. 
          I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE. 
          I'M NOT SUGGESTING THIS, THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AUDITOR, BUT YEARS AND YEARS AGO, SOMEONE QUESTIONED, WELL, WHAT IF WE HAD ALL THE TRASH CANS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET? COULD THEY GET THROUGH THE STREETS QUICKER THAT WAY? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T STUDIED THAT. 
          BUT, UM, BUT PRESENTING ALTERNATIVE WAYS IF, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, DALLAS HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO, FORT WORTH ALL STICK THEIR TRASH CANS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, AND THEN THEY GET THROUGH IT QUICKER AND HERE'S, HERE'S HOW MUCH TIME THEY SAVE AND HERE'S HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO SAVE, YOU KNOW, MONEY ON GAS OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, SO I THINK, I THINK THOSE ARE EXAMPLES. 
          I THINK, I THINK LOOKING AT, AT PEER CITY COMPARISONS, HOW MUCH WE'RE INVESTING IN, SINCE WE'RE IN A RR, HOW MUCH WE'RE INVESTING IN THE TRASH TRUCKS OR WHAT, WHAT IS COSTING US TO MAINTAIN OUR TRUCKS VERSUS OTHER CITIES, THE, THE GOALS THAT WE'VE SET FOR OURSELVES. 
          AND, UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE ENCOMPASSING THAN SAY, IF YOU PRIVATIZE, HERE'S A CHEAPER WAY TO DO THIS, AND THEN YOUR PROBLEMS ARE ALL DONE. 
          RIGHT? AND I, I ALSO, AS I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS, AND HERE MY COUNCIL MEMBER SIEGELS TALKED ABOUT THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MANAGER OR THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, LIKE IT OR NOT, OUR SYSTEM IS SET UP WITH VARIOUS LINES, RIGHT? YOUR LINE IS TO TELL US, OR I SHOULD SAY, YOUR SIDE OF THE LINE IS TO TELL US HOW WE CAN OPERATE MORE EFFECTIVELY. 
          YOU GIVE THAT TO THE MANAGER AND THE MANAGER WITH SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE ADDING HERE TODAY, TELLS US, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THESE 10 PEOPLE AND TURN 'EM INTO THREE, BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA WHAT THAT DIDN'T CAPTURE. 
          AND THEN PUTS IT IN OUR LAP TO SAY, IS THIS THE RIGHT POLICY DECISION OR NOT? AND, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T BLUR THOSE LINES TOO MUCH AND, AND GIVE YOU THE, THE ROOM TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MAY BE WILDLY UNPOPULAR. 
          BUT THEN THAT'S OUR JOB AND THE MANAGER'S JOB TO SAY, HERE'S WHY THAT'S GOOD OR BAD. 
          AND FOR US TO THEN MAKE THE DECISION THAT WE'RE PUBLICLY ACCOUNTABLE TO DO AND WITH HIS PHONE NUMBER ON IT, RIGHT? WITH EXACTLY, EXACTLY. 
          HERE, YOU KNOW, COMMENT CARDS CAN GO HERE MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO I, JUST AS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY FURTHER REFINEMENTS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY BLUR AND, AND, AND, AND WATER DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID OF MAKING A HARD CHOICE AND, AND HAVING THAT COME TO LIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S OUR JOB TO, TO SAY YES OR NO. 
          UM, I ALSO, THIS THE LAST THING I WANNA POINT OUT ON THE ROI QUESTION. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE A, AN AUDIT COME BACK THAT SAYS, THIS DEPARTMENT IS RUNNING GREAT. 
          THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE AREAS WHERE THEY NEED IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY SPENT MORE MONEY THAN WE'RE GETTING OUT OF IT. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO VALUE IN BEING ABLE TO THEN GO TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY, LOOK, WE'VE HAD SOMEONE ELSE LOOK AT THIS AND THEY SAID, THIS IS GOING GREAT. 
          AND SO YOU CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WHEN YOU ARE SPENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS, WHEN YOU ARE MAKING INVESTMENTS, WE ARE BEING GOOD STEWARDS AND WE'RE USING THAT. 
          SO THERE IS A VALUE THERE OUTSIDE OF JUST YES, ARE YOU SAVING DOLLARS MORE THAN THE CONTRACT COSTS? THAT I ALSO, UH, JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER IN THIS CONVERSATION. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL. 
          THANKS COUNSEL FOR THE DISCUSSION. 
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UM, I, I'LL SUM UP AND THEN, AND, UH, I WANNA START WITH THOUGH, WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN RAL JUST SAID. 
          THERE'S TWO, I I HEAR TWO PARTS TO THAT. 
          ONE IS, UH, WE, WE DO, THIS CITY IS VERY SUCCESSFUL AND, UH, IT SOMETIMES GETS LOST IN THE DAY-TO-DAY POLITICS. 
          UM, IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL CITY. 
          AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER POINTS OUT SOME THINGS THAT I, I BET WE FIND IS PEOPLE WILL COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU'RE THE STANDARD. 
          UM, I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE IN, IN SOME INSTANCES. 
          AND THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING. 
          'CAUSE REMEMBER HOW WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION, PART OF THE REASON TO DO THIS IS TO HELP BETTER ASSURE THE PUBLIC'S CONFIDENCE IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THEIR TRUST IN HOW WE GO ABOUT BUDGETING. 
          THE SECOND PART I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS THAT IT'S NOT ALL DOLLARS AND CENTS WHEN YOU DO AN EFFICIENCY ASSESSMENT LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE QUALITATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MAY NOT SAVE A TON OF MONEY, BUT THEY WILL BETTER ASSURE QUALITY IN TERMS OF THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER VALUE THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I WAS TALKING TO, WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SIEGEL JUST A SECOND AGO, I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE HEARD ANYBODY, UH, IN ANY WAY OR ANY FORM INDICATE THAT THEY, THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE OF HAVING AN EFFICIENCY ASSESSMENT BY WAY OF ORDINANCE THAT I, I'M NOT HEARING ANYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH THAT. 
          WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS THOUGH, OF FIGURING OUT HOW, HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT IN THE BEST WAY. 
          WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. 
          UH, I BELIEVE, UH, BASED UPON THESE DISCUSSIONS, I THINK WE ALL ALSO AGREE THAT WE WANT TO CREATE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN OUR BUDGETING AND, AND OPERATIONS. 
          AND WE WANT TO ASK THE, THE QUESTIONS, ARE WE ACTING AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN? ARE WE BEING AS EFFECTIVE AS WE SHOULD BE? ARE WE WASTING MONEY IN SOME WAY? UM, AND THE EFFICIENCY ASSESSMENT IS THE WAY WE GO ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S NOT INAPPROPRIATE, BY THE WAY, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A BUDGET THAT WE WERE AT SOME POINT GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH IDENTIFYING THE POLICY AND THE FRAMEWORK FIRST ACTUALLY IS PART OF GOOD POLICYMAKING. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT HAVE A BUDGET, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA LIMIT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND, AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT, FRANKLY. 
          UM, WHAT THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ON THE FIRST ITEM TODAY WAS VERY APROPOS IN A LOT OF WAYS, BECAUSE BEFORE YOU GO TO A SERVICES CONTRACT, YOU MIGHT WANT A POLICY FRAMEWORK IN PLACE. 
          AND SO WE'VE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED SOME OF THAT JUST TODAY IN, IN THE WAY WE GO ABOUT IT. 
          I WANNA SAY A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, FOR THOSE THAT, UM, UH, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING ABOUT ROI, UH, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE STEPS WHERE THE AUDITOR CREATES A METHODOLOGY, A WORK PLAN, PROCUREMENT SELECTION, PUBLIC REPORTING, INCLUDING RECOMMENDATIONS THE MANAGER PROVIDES DATA AND ACCESS TO THE DATA, PROVIDES THE COOPERATION PLUS FORMAL MANAGEMENT RESPONSE AND IMPLEMENTATION. 
          BUT THE, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL REVIEW ALL OF THAT AND ARE LOOKING AT IT, UH, AND, AND IN, IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND NOT JUST THE CADENCE AND NOT JUST WHERE, BUT THE, BUT THE ALSO ARE WE, HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND ASSURING THAT OUR COMMUNITY'S VALUES ARE PROTECTED? AND THAT'S THE ROLE OF THIS DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED BODY IN, IN THAT. 
          UM, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION. 
          UH, I, I WANT TO MEET WITH A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, UH, THAT AREN'T ON THE COUNCIL WITH REGARD TO WHAT NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE, BUT, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THAT WHAT WE DO IS WE, UH, NOT VOTE ON THIS ON THURSDAY, BUT INSTEAD WITH THIS KIND OF INPUT, IT'S HELPFUL AS WE, AS WE GUIDE THIS SUBJECT TO THE CO-SPONSORS OBJECTING IN SOME WAY. 
          BUT WE PUT IT AT THE THURSDAY, I THINK IT'S THE 26TH THAT WE'RE SCHEDULED TO MEET, THAT WE, WE POST IT FOR THAT MEETING AND UTILIZE THAT EXTRA TIME. 
          BECAUSE I'VE SAID FROM THE FIRST MESSAGE BOARD POST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I, I WANT CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS AS WELL AS CONFIDENCE IN THE OUTCOME, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE HERE. 
          SO, UH, COUNSEL, UNLESS WE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, OKAY. 
          IN THAT CASE, YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HARBOR MADISON. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          I APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION AND I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. 
          I JUST WANTED TO LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THIS AFTERNOON, I'M GONNA POST AN ITEM THAT MY TEAM AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON. 
          UM, I, I DIDN'T INTEND TO SAY ANYTHING. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA POST IT, BUT I WANNA PREFACE IT HERE. 
          IT'S A, IT'S REGARDING AN INITIATIVE 
          [02:45:01]
THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, CALLED IT, WELL, THE ACRONYM IS O-C-O-L-D, THAT'S THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL OPERATIONS AND LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I THINK IT VERY MUCH ADDRESSES SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS PARTICULAR AUDIT ITEM AND SOMETHING ELSE I'VE HEARD FROM THE DAYS BEFORE. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO, TO FLAG THAT. 
          I'M GONNA PUT, PUT THAT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD THIS AFTERNOON FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW AND CONSIDER. 
          GOOD DEAL. 
          I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO OUR AUDITOR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. VAN ENO. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND I, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE AUDITOR BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT HE HAS PLAYED IN THIS PROCESS AND, AND I, AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WITH THAT MEMBERS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS WORK SESSION. 
          SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL IS, IS THIS WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED AT 11:45 AM THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          I.
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