* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.
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          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE QUORUM, 
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SO I'M GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          I SEE WE HAVE SOME VISITORS. 
          DID ANYBODY SIGN 
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UP TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, COME ON FORWARD. 
          CAN YOU USE THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? THANK YOU. 
          MAKE SURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON. 
          HI EVERYBODY. 
          MY NAME IS LINDY COLVIN. 
          I'M A FOOD SYSTEMS GEOGRAPHER. 
          I ATTEND THIS MEETING IN THE AUSTIN TRAVIS COUNTY FOOD POLICY BOARD IN PERSON EVERY MONTH. 
          I'M ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE AUSTIN SIERRA CLUB GROUP, AND I ALSO SERVE ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE A TX CLIMATE WEEK. 
          I'M HERE TO INVITE Y'ALL TO JOIN A TX CLIMATE WEEK. 
          IT TAKES PLACE APRIL 19TH THROUGH THE 26TH. 
          THIS YEAR, IT'S A CITYWIDE CELEBRATION OF SUSTAINABILITY, INNOVATION, AND ACTION. 
          DRAWING ON THE CREATIVE LICENSE OF OUR BRAVE COMMUNITY, ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ORGANIZATION IS INVITED TO HOST AN EVENT FOR CLIMATE WEEK PROGRAMMING. 
          NO MATTER HOW SMALL, NICHE OR WEIRD, PLEASE CONSIDER ADDING SOMETHING TO THE CALENDAR AND LEVERAGE YOUR NETWORKS, HOSTS, VOLUNTEERS, PANELS, VENUES, SPONSORS AND IDEAS ARE WELCOME AND MOST NECESSARY. 
          YOU CAN SUBMIT AN INTEREST FORM AT A X CLIMATE WEEK.ORG. 
          I NOTICE THAT THERE IS A JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED ON EARTH DAY APRIL 22ND, WHICH COULD EASILY BE ADDED TO THE A TX CLIMATE WEEK CALENDAR, THOUGH I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO ADD MORE EVENTS FROM YOUR PERSONAL NETWORKS AND PERSONAL IMAGINATIONS. 
          ALSO, YOU ARE ALL MORE THAN WELCOME TO JOIN A TX CLIMATE WEEK ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH MEETS VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER TUESDAY NIGHT AT FIVE 30. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A REQUEST TO THE, UH, SUSAN THAT JUST SPOKE. 
          IF YOU COULD FOLLOW UP WITH CITY STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN FORWARD THE INFORMATION TO ALL OF US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THAT SOUNDS, THAT SOUNDS GREAT, AND IT REMINDS ME THAT SOMEBODY MESSAGED ME WHILE I WAS SICK ABOUT THAT, SO THANK YOU, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, FIRST ITEM ON 
          [1.  Approve the minutes of the Joint Sustainability Committee Regular Meeting on January 28th,  2026.]
OUR AGENDA IS, UH, APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM OUR JANUARY MEETING IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE THE MADS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          SECOND AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO EDIT ON THOSE MINUTES? OKAY. 
          I'M NOT SEEING ANY, ANY HANDS, SO, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IS THAT EVERYBODY OR DO WE HAVE ANYBODY VOTING AGAINST OR ANYBODY ABSTAINING? OKAY. 
          MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, START WITH 
          [2.Staff briefing on Refrigerant Management. Presentation by Molly Ellsworth and Phillip Duran,  Austin Climate Action and Resilience.]
TWO PRESENTATIONS, UH, THIS EVENING. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE BY MOLLY ELLSWORTH AND PHILIP DURAN, UH, REPORTING ON THE REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT WORK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE CITY. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU BOTH. 
          HI, THANKS FOR HAVING US. 
          UH, I'M PHILLIP DERON, AND THIS IS MOLLY ELLSWORTH. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE WITH AUSTIN CLIMATE ACTION RESILIENCE. 
          AND HERE TO TALK TO YOU ALL TONIGHT ABOUT REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT, BOTH AT THE CITY ORGANIZATION AND ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANKS FOR HAVING US. 
          UH, WE'LL START WITH SOME BACKGROUND ON REFRIGERANTS, SOME HISTORY, A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. 
          UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, THE MOTIVATION FOR THIS WORK AND WHY WE SHOULD CARE ABOUT REFRIGERANTS. 
          AND THEN I'LL PASS IT OVER TO MOLLY AND SHE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH A CONSULTANT, UM, WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO, UH, WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND SOME OF THE LESSONS THAT WE'VE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY. 
          AND OF COURSE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS THERE AT THE END. 
          JUST AS A REFRESHER, WHAT REFRIGERANTS ARE AND WHY WE NEED THEM, UH, ENSURE REFRIGERANTS ARE THE CHEMICALS THAT MAKE ALL MODERN COOLING EQUIPMENT WORK. 
          SO THEY'RE IN YOUR AC AT HOME, THEY'RE IN YOUR FRIDGE AND FREEZER. 
          THEY'RE IN THE CAR THAT YOU DROVE HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND MORE MODERN APPLIANCES THERE IN HEAT PUMPS, UH, WHICH ARE, UM, A COOLING AND HEATING SOLUTION THAT HELPS, UH, ELECTRIFY THE GRID, UM, OR HELPS DECARBONIZE THE GRID THROUGH ELECTRIFICATION. 
          AND THEY'RE IN WHOLE BUILDING CHILLERS AND DISTRICT DISTRICT ENERGY. 
          UM, SO THE LARGE MACHINES THAT KEEP BUILDINGS LIKE CITY HALL AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN IN AUSTIN, COOL, UH, DURING THE HOT DAYS. 
          UH, SO THEY ARE VERY MUCH, UH, SYNONYMOUS WITH THE MODERN COMFORTS THAT WE'VE COME TO KNOW AND RELY ON IN 
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TERMS OF, UH, SPACE COOLING RELATED TO THAT. 
          UM, AS THE CLIMATE CHANGES AND AS AUSTIN HEATS UP, UH, COOLING IS INCREASINGLY A PART OF OUR RESILIENCE, HEAT RESILIENCE SOLUTIONS AND EFFORTS IN THE CITY. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, REFRIGERANTS ALSO SUPPORT GRID DE DECARBONIZATION THROUGH, UH, MORE MODERN TECHNOLOGY LIKE HEAT PUMPS AND DISTRICT ENERGY. 
          SO THEY'RE IMPORTANT, THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO US FOR LOTS OF REASONS, BOTH IN TERMS OF COMFORT AND IN RESILIENCE SLIDE. 
          PROBABLY A LOT OF US REMEMBER THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL OF THE LATE EIGHTIES AND EARLY NINETIES. 
          UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, NEWS MADE ABOUT, UM, HUMAN ACTIVITY DEPLETE, UH, DEPLETING THE OZONE, AND THERE WAS A HOLE IN THE OZONE. 
          AND SO THE WORLD LEADERS CAME TOGETHER IN MONTREAL TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD FIX THE PROBLEM. 
          AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE PROBLEM WAS, UH, A CHEMICAL CALLED CHLOROFLUOROCARBONS OR CFCS. 
          THOSE WERE THE REFRIGERANTS OF THE EIGHTIES AND THE SEVENTIES, AND THE TIME BEFORE THAT. 
          UM, SO, UM, FOLKS GOT TOGETHER AND SIGNED THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL, LOTS OF LEADERS FROM ACROSS THE WORLD, AND THE SOLUTION WAS TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM CS CFCS TO A NEW CHEMICAL HYDROFLUOROCARBONS. 
          AND THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY MODERN REFRIGERANTS THAT LIVE IN ALL THE APPLIANCES THAT I MENTIONED ON THE LAST SLIDE. 
          AND AS IRONY WOULD HAVE IT, UM, UNKNOWN AT THE TIME, HFCS ARE TYPICALLY VERY POTENT GREENHOUSE GASES. 
          UM, AND SO FAST FORWARDING TO MORE PRESENT DAY, UM, THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL WAS AMID IN 2016 TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          UH, THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THE FACT THAT THE SOLUTION TO THE OZONE PROBLEM WAS CREATING AN ISSUE FOR THE CLIMATE, UM, AND, UH, THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL WAS AMENDED. 
          AND THAT LED TO THE US UH, CONGRESS ADOPTING THE AMERICAN INNOVATION AND MANUFACTURING ACT, WHICH WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT LATER ON IN THIS PRESENTATION. 
          UM, ACTUALLY, CAN WE GO BACK ONE SLIDE, JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. 
          SO IN THE SECOND BULLET POINT THERE, I'VE GOT LISTED R 11 AND R 22. 
          THOSE ARE TWO REFRIGERANTS THAT ARE NO LONGER IN PRODUCTION. 
          THEY'RE NOT MANUFACTURED ANYMORE, BUT THEY ARE STILL IN A LOT OF OUR APPLIANCES. 
          UM, A LOT OF THE BIG FULL BUILDING CHILLER, UH, COOLING APPLIANCES. 
          AND THEY ARE EXTREMELY POTENT GREENHOUSE GASES. 
          UM, YOU MIGHT HEAR US SAY A TERM GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL, WHICH WE'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH LATER ON IN THIS PRESENTATION. 
          THAT ESSENTIALLY JUST MEANS THAT R 11 AND R 22 ARE MANY TIMES R HAVE A GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, FORCING EFFECT THAT'S MANY TIMES GREATER THAN CARBON DIOXIDE. 
          IN THE CASE OF THESE, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 2000 TIMES GREATER THAN THE, UH, GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE. 
          SO IF YOU HEAR US SAY GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL OR GWP LATER IN THE CONVERSATION, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, FROM THIS SLIDE THOUGH, THE BIG TAKEAWAY IS THAT CFCS, THE OLD REFRIGERANTS, UM, ARE BAD FOR THE OZONE AND HFCS, THE NEW REFRIGERANTS ARE BAD FOR CLIMATE. 
          AS ALWAYS, WE LIKE TO LOOK, UH, BACK TO OUR FLAGSHIP CLIMATE DOCUMENT OF THE CITY, THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, TARGETS AND GUIDANCE. 
          UH, WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS THE GOAL FROM THE SUSTAINABLE BUILDING SECTION GOAL THREE, FROM THE SUSTAINABLE BUILDING SECTION OF THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN THAT TARGETS, UH, 25% EMISSION REDUCTION LEAKAGE, UH, BY 2030. 
          AND THEN A SERIES OF STRATEGIES SUPPORTING THAT, UH, GOAL. 
          AND I'VE GOT STARRED HERE, THE GOAL AND THE STRATEGIES THAT THIS WORK OR PRIOR WORK, UH, BY OUR OFFICE AS ADDRESSED, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THESE, UH, TARGETS IN THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO IT OCCURRED TO ME AS WE WERE PUTTING THESE SLIDES TOGETHER, THAT IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE TO PRESENT ON THE FULL SUITE OF, UH, EMISSIONS IN THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY, OUR FULL CARBON FOOT FOOTPRINT. 
          SO WHAT I'LL DO HERE IS I'LL GO AROUND THE WHEEL AND I'LL END WITH REFRIGERANTS, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL UNPACK THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          LET'S START WITH THE 10% PURPLE WEDGE OF THE DONUT HERE. 
          UM, THAT'S NATURAL GAS. 
          SO 10% OF OUR COMMUNITY WIDE EMISSIONS COME FROM NATURAL GAS DELIVERED TO BUILDINGS AND BURNT ON SITE FOR HEATING SPACE, HEATING AND WATER HEATING OR SIMILAR THINGS. 
          UM, NEXT IS ELECTRICITY. 
          UH, 31% OF OUR, UH, CARBON FOOTPRINT COMES FROM ELECTRICITY SUPPLIED BY AUSTIN ENERGY. 
          UH, THAT PART OF THE DONUT CONTINUES TO DECREASE AS AUSTIN ENERGY DECARBONIZE. 
          OUR SINGLE LARGEST SOURCE OF EMISSIONS IS ON ROAD, UH, IS TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IS MOSTLY ON ROAD, UH, SINGLE PASSENGER VEHICLES BURNING GASOLINE OR DIESEL. 
          UM, WASTE EMISSIONS COME FROM SOLID WASTE AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND INDUSTRIAL 
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EMISSIONS COME FROM PROCESSES LIKE SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING. 
          REFRIGERANTS HERE IS A, LOOKS LIKE THE SMALLEST PORTION OF THE DONUT. 
          AND IT IS, UM, THE WAY THAT WE ESTIMATE THAT IS BASED ON A EPA AND IPCC, UH, PROTOCOL, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT ESSENTIALLY TAKES THE NATIONAL INVENTORY OF OZONE DEPLETING SUBSTANCES IN THIS CASE, UH, AS A, AS THEY RELATE TO CLA UH, CARBON EMISSIONS AND SCALES IT TO THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY BASED ON POPULATION. 
          AND SO THAT SORT OF TIES INTO HOW WE GOT THAT NUMBER FOR SURE, BUT ALSO HOW WE GO ABOUT TRACKING OUR PROGRESS TO THE GOAL THAT I SHOWED ON THE LAST SLIDE. 
          UM, THAT METHOD THAT I USE TO ESTIMATE OUR MISSIONS IS BEST IN BEST, UH, PRACTICE. 
          IT'S, UH, WHAT EVERYBODY RECOMMENDS, BUT IT IS TIED TO A MORE NATIONAL AVERAGE. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE GRANULARITY CAN BE LOST THERE WHEN PERFORMING THAT ESTIMATE. 
          UM, THEY ARE A SMALL PORTION OF THE DONUT HERE, BUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL, UH, OF THE GASES, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE ABILITY TO, UH, MITIGATE EMISSIONS OF SMALL AMOUNTS OF REFRIGERANT ACTUALLY HAVE LARGE CLIMATE IMPACTS. 
          SO THERE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON FOR THAT REASON. 
          AND OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE GROWING COOLING DEMAND IN OUR AREA DOES INCREASE THE NEED FOR REFRIGERANTS AND POTENTIALLY THE RISK OF EMISSIONS. 
          AND, UH, THROUGH OUR WORK, UH, FOR A LONG TIME AND MORE RECENTLY THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE CLIMATE CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WE PUT BEFORE THIS BODY AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, LAST YEAR, FRI REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A NEAR TERM CLIMATE PRIORITY FOR OUR OFFICE AND FOR THIS BODY AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THIS FIGURE IS FROM THE, UH, CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          THE PINK ARROW THERE POINTS THAT REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT. 
          A FEW THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT HERE. 
          UH, FIRST, WHEN THIS ANALYSIS WAS DONE, SOME FOLKS ON MY TEAM DID IT. 
          BACK THEN REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT WAS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, TO CLIMATE MITIGATION IN-HOUSE AS THE CITY. 
          UM, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT FURTHER TO THE LEFT IS MORE COST EFFICIENT AND THE TALLER BARS ARE GREATER EMISSION, UH, REDUCTIONS. 
          UM, IN GOING THROUGH THIS WORK WITH, UH, MOLLY AND OUR CONSULTANT, WE'VE ACTUALLY DISCOVERED NEW INFORMATION. 
          WE HAVE BETTER DATA NOW. 
          AND EMISSION REDUCTION POTENTIAL IS ACTUALLY GREATER THAN WE WERE ABLE TO ESTIMATE BACK THEN, WHICH ACTUALLY MEANS THAT, UM, REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT IS AN EVEN MORE COST EFFECTIVE CLIMATE MITIGATION SOLUTION FOR US AS AN ORGANIZATION. 
          SO IT WAS ALREADY ONE OF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE AND BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW, IT'S EVEN MORE COST EFFECTIVE. 
          THE AM ACT, UM, THIS WAS A BIG WRINKLE IN THE PROJECT THAT MOLLY'S GONNA TALK ABOUT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE PERIPHERY FOR US AS, UH, CLIMATE PROFESSIONALS, BUT WE LEARNED A LOT MORE ABOUT, UH, IN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE AM ACT IS A US LAW THAT STEMMED FROM AN AMENDMENT TO THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL, AND IT AIMS TO PHASE DOWN HFCS OR REFRIGERANTS BY 85%, UM, BY 2036. 
          SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR US AT THE CITY OF AUSTIN, MOST OF OUR REFRIGERANT CONTAINING APPLIANCES, UM, HAD PREVIOUSLY NOT BEEN, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR AM ACT COMPLIANCE. 
          UH, THE AM ACT, THEY WERE SORT OF INVISIBLE TO THE AM ACT BECAUSE IT FOCUSED ONLY ON THE LARGEST REP APPLIANCES CONTAINING THE MOST REFRIGERANTS AS OF JANUARY, 2026, THAT CHANGED. 
          AND THE AM ACT NOW APPLIES TO SMALLER APPLIANCES, UM, WITH 15 POUNDS OF REFRIGERANT OR MORE. 
          AND JUST FOR YOUR OWN POINT OF REFERENCE, THAT'S LIKE A MID-SIZE BUILDING. 
          THE AC UNIT WOULD HAVE ABOUT 15 POUNDS OF REFRIGERANT. 
          SO NOT EVERY, NOT YOUR HOUSE, BUT A MID-SIZE OFFICE BUILDING WOULD. 
          AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS FOR THOSE APPLIANCES, UM, ANY GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL ENTITY, UM, HA HAVING APPLIANCES THAT HAVE 15 POUNDS REFRIGERANT OR MORE ARE NOW REQUIRED TO, UH, HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE FOR LEAK DETECTION, REPAIR, AND RECORD KEEPING AND REPORTING. 
          THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE, AND I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO MOLLY. 
          UH, JUST A FEW MORE POINTS, UH, AND REMINDERS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, AND ACCORDING TO OUR CONSULTANT, THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS AN EARLY MOVER IN THIS SPACE. 
          UH, IT WAS, WE WERE PIONEERING WHEN WE PUT IT IN THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ACTING ON IT. 
          UH, WE WERE REMAIN TO BE, UH, UH, FIRST MOVER FEW, IF ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE, ARE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, REFRIGERANTS HAVE BEEN A JSC PRIORITY FOR A LONG TIME. 
          UH, YOU ALL RECOMMENDED THE, UH, FUNDS THAT LED TO THIS REFRIGERANT STUDY BACK IN FY 24, AND YOU'VE CONTINUED TO SUPPORT IT WITH FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS IN FY 25. 
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UH, ALL THAT'S TO SAY THAT THIS IS AN EMERGING SPACE. 
          IT'S AN EMERGING TECHNOLOGY AND EMERGING CLIMATE SOLUTION. 
          AND WITH THAT COMES COMPLEXITY. 
          UM, THE AIM ACT, LIKE I MENTIONED, UH, IT'S ALSO A NEW, UH, TOPIC FOR OUR PARTNERS. 
          SO BUILDING AWARENESS, EDUCATION, BUY-IN IS ALL, ALL PART OF THE PROCESS, AND IT'S JUST ADDED COMPLEXITY. 
          AND SO THIS IS A FIRST STEP. 
          UM, WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO. 
          UM, AT FIRST, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, AND THIS WILL BE AN ONGOING EFFORT, UM, AT THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          UM, SO MY NAME IS MOLLY. 
          I WAS THE PRIMARY PROJECT MANAGER, UM, FOR THIS EFFORT. 
          SO EXCITED TO GO THROUGH, UM, AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE, UM, AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED. 
          SO WE PARTNERED WITH, UM, REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT SOLUTIONS AS THE CONSULTANT FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, THEY'RE ABSOLUTE EXPERTS IN THIS SPACE. 
          AND OUR POINT PERSON, UM, KEELY WHITMAN FOR THIS PROJECT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TEXAS CONNECTION. 
          SHE USED TO DO THIS WORK FOR HEB. 
          UM, SO THEY'VE BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH. 
          UM, WANTED TO TALK THROUGH KIND OF THE INITIAL INTERNAL GOALS FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE COMMUNITY-WIDE GOALS THAT WE HAD. 
          SO INTERNALLY, WE WANTED TO CREATE AN INVENTORY OF EXISTING REFRIGERANT CONTAINING APPLIANCES, EVERYTHING OWNED BY THE CITY. 
          UM, WE WANTED TO CREATE A MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR IMPROVED TRACKING AND STEWARDSHIP OF CITY REFRIGERANTS, AND TO IDENTIFY ANY HIGH IMPACT OPPORTUNITIES TO TRANSITION OUR APPLIANCES TOWARDS LOWER GWP OR GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAD A COMMUNITY WIDE GOAL TO EXPLORE ACTIONS THAT ENCOURAGE THE CAPTURE AND DESTRUCTION OF OLD REFRIGERANTS AND SEE HOW WE COULD REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS AS A CITY. 
          SO THIS CONTRACT IS ONGOING. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT HALF SPENT SO FAR, AND EXCITED TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AND, AND WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO THE FIRST BIG DELIVERABLE FOR THIS PROJECT WAS THE INVENTORY. 
          SO THIS WAS QUITE A LIFT. 
          UM, ALL OUR DIFFERENT FACILITY, UM, MANAGING DEPARTMENTS HAVE, UM, DIFFERENT PROCESSES FOR HOW THEY, THEY COLLECT THIS DATA. 
          AND SO, UM, WE ENDED UP LIMITING OUR SCOPE TO ANY APPLIANCE THAT CONTAINS OVER 15 POUNDS OF REFRIGERANT. 
          UM, THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AM ACT AND ALSO JUST ALLOWED US TO GET, UM, THE LEVEL OF DATA WE WERE HOPING, UM, FROM THIS PROJECT. 
          SO IMAGES WERE SENT IN FROM ALL FACILITY MANAGING DEPARTMENTS, A LIST THERE, BUT, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY CONVENTION CENTER, AUSTIN ENERGY, UH, FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, PARKS AND REC AND AUSTIN WATER. 
          AND WE WERE ABLE TO COLLECT DATA ON ABOUT 208, NO, ACTUALLY EXACTLY 208 APPLIANCES. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE ABOUT 20 DATA POINTS THAT ARE, UM, FOR EACH APPLIANCE, INCLUDING, UM, REFRIGERANT TYPE, REFRIGERANT AMOUNT, UM, THE MODEL, THE MAKE, AND, UM, SERIAL NUMBERS. 
          YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT DATA ENTRY EFFORT TOOK SOME EFFORT. 
          . 
          UM, NEXT IS A REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, A DOCUMENT THAT OUTLINES, UM, DIFFERENT PROTOCOLS FOR ENTERING NEW APPLIANCES, HOW WE CAN DO A LEAK DETECTION PROCESS, UM, APPLIANCE MAINTENANCE POLICIES AND, AND, UH, STRATEGIES FOR END OF LIFE. 
          THE THIRD DELIVERABLE WAS COMMUNITY-WIDE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO, UM, OUR CONSULTANT RMS, UM, CONDUCTED RESEARCH ON DIFFERENT INITIATIVES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IDENTIFIED, UM, 16 DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THEM TO DO A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS AND PRIORITIZATION OF THOSE, UM, ACTIONS. 
          SO EXCITED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INVENTORY. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT KIND OF WHAT DIFFERENT SIZED APPLIANCES LOOK LIKE, MID-SIZED, LARGE AND EXTRA LARGE. 
          UM, WE FOUND ABOUT EXACTLY 137 MID-SIZED APPLIANCES. 
          SO ANYTHING BETWEEN CONTAINING BETWEEN 15 POUNDS AND A HUNDRED POUNDS OF REFRIGERANT, 44 LARGE APPLIANCES CONTAINING BETWEEN 105 HUNDRED POUNDS OF REFRIGERANT, AND 27 EXTRA LARGE APPLIANCES CONTAINING OVER 500 POUNDS OF REFRIGERANT. 
          WE FOUND, UM, 19 APPLIANCES THAT ARE USING SOME OF THOSE VERY OLD REFRIGERANTS THAT, UM, PHIL MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING THAT HAVE VERY HIGH GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL. 
          UM, THAT'S R 11 AND R 22. 
          UM, THESE REFRIGERANTS ALSO AS FILM MENTIONED, AREN'T MANUFACTURED ANYMORE, SO THEY ARE POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR OFFSETS, UM, AND BUYBACKS. 
          THERE ARE EIGHT APPLIANCES THAT USE R 1 23, WHICH IS A REFRIGERANT THAT WILL NO LONGER BE PRODUCED STARTING IN 2030. 
          SO THOSE ALSO MIGHT BE, UM, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, WE FOUND SEVERAL 
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OTHER APPLIANCES WITH LARGE AMOUNTS OF OLD REFRIGERANT, UM, IN THAT PRELIMINARY SCAN. 
          UM, SO EXCITED TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION NOW. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ON THE TOTAL, TOTAL GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL OF ALL THE INVENTORY APPLIANCES. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST EVERYTHING OVER 15 POUNDS. 
          SO THERE'S, THIS ISN'T A, A TOTAL, UM, REPRESENTATION OF ALL OF OUR, UM, GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL FROM REFRIGERANTS, BUT IT WAS EQUIVALENT TO 103,635 METRIC TONS OF CO2 EQUIVALENT, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO TIMES OUR ANNUAL FOOTPRINT AS A CITY, UM, KINDA, UH, OUR INTERNAL CITY OPERATIONS. 
          UM, ALSO FOR REFERENCE, IT'S ABOUT 23,000 CARS, UM, COMING OFF THE ROAD ANNUALLY. 
          AND ALSO JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT'S FOR IF EVERYTHING WAS TO LEAK ALL AT ONCE FROM EVERY APPLIANCE . 
          THE EPA ASSUMES ABOUT A 10% LEAK RATE FOR, UM, APPLIANCES FROM COOLING. 
          SO ONE EXAMPLE OF, UH, UH, AN APPLIANCE THAT COULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR TRANSITION, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT OR REPAIR IS THIS CHILLER AT THE FALK LIBRARY. 
          IT IS QUITE OLD FROM THE 1980S AND QUITE LARGE 500 POUNDS AND USES R 11, WHICH IS ONE OF THOSE DISCONTINUED REFRIGERANTS. 
          UM, ALSO IT'S QUITE ACTIONABLE TO, THE LIBRARY IS ACTIVELY, UM, SEEKING REPLACEMENT FOR THIS CHILLER. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS NOT VERY SIMPLE FOR EVERY APPLIANCE. 
          THE BEST WAY TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT AN APPLIANCE IS THE MOST ELIGIBLE FOR TRANSITION IS, UM, HOW LEAKY IT IS. 
          SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE LIKE A LEAKY TIRE, HOW MUCH REFRIGERANT IS LEAKING OUT OF IT. 
          UM, EACH YEAR APPLIANCES ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE. 
          A CHILLER OF THIS SIZE WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 500,000 TO A MILLION TO REPLACE. 
          AND SO OFTENTIMES LEAK PREVENTION AND MAINTENANCE IS, UM, PREFERABLE. 
          UM, SO THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO MOVING FORWARD IS TO IDENTIFY WHICH APPLIANCES ARE HIGH RISK, BOTH FINANCIALLY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY, PRIMARILY, WHICH, UH, APPLIANCES ARE THE MOST LEAK PRONE AND THE LEAST EFFICIENT. 
          SO THIS REALLY MOTIVATED OUR NEED FOR A REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT PLAN TO COORDINATE THE COLLECTION OF THAT LEAKAGE DATA. 
          SO THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, WAS DRAFTED BY RMS AND IT CONTAINS CLEAR PROCESSES FOR IDENTIFYING LOW GWP ALTERNATIVE ELIGIBLE EQUIPMENT, UM, INFORMATION ON, EXCUSE ME, PROCESSES FOR RECORD KEEPING, INCLUDING INSTALLS, REFRIGERANT CHARGE, RECHARGE AMOUNT, ET CETERA. 
          AND SO THAT CHARGE AMOUNT IS EQUIVALENT TO THE LEAKAGE RATE, UM, ANNUALLY. 
          SO HOWEVER, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT IS RECHARGED ANNUALLY IS, UM, TYPICALLY WHAT IS USED FOR THAT LEAKAGE NUMBER. 
          UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES INFORMATION ON MAINTENANCE TO REDUCE EMISSIONS, UM, PROCESSES FOR END OF LIFE RECOVERY AND DESTRUCTION AND MORE. 
          SO THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS PLAN IS WORKING WITH DIFFERENT FACILITY OWNING DEPARTMENTS TO KIND OF CO-PRODUCE IT AND, AND HELP GET IT EMBEDDED IN, IN THEIR PROCESSES AS WELL. 
          UM, THE LAST PIECE OF THAT PROJECT WAS OUR COMMUNITY WIDE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, THE CONSULTANT, UH, IDENTIFIED A LOT OF WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          AGAIN, THERE AREN'T A LOT, BUT THEY'RE PRIMARILY IN, UM, STATES OR MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, REGULATORY CAPACITIES THAN WE DO. 
          SO AUSTIN, WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE REFRIGERANTS DIRECTLY, BUT WE ARE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE, CONVENE AND BUILD, UH, MARKET CAPACITY. 
          SO SOME OF THE HIGH FEASIBILITY ACTIONS WE IDENTIFIED WERE HVAC WORKFORCE TRAINING AND AWARENESS CAMPAIGNS, UM, POTENTIALLY RECLAMATION PARTNERSHIPS, UM, FURTHERING INCENTIVES FROM THE CITY TO REWARD LOW GWP REFRIGERANTS AND LEAK DETECTION AND REPAIR PRACTICES. 
          AND FINALLY, UM, COMMUNITY APPLIANCE RECYCLING DRIVES, UM, WHICH HAVE BEEN RATHER SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER, UM, LOCATIONS THEY'VE HAPPENED. 
          SO NEXT STEPS FOR THIS PROJECT LINE  ARE TO OPERATIONALIZE THE REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT PLAN ACROSS ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT ASSET OWNING DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, ALSO WE'RE RESEARCHING THE NEED FOR A REFRIGERANT TRACKING SOLUTIONS LIKE A SOFTWARE, UM, DEEPER ANALYSIS OF THOSE PRIORITY TOP APPLIANCES, UM, AND GETTING MORE INFORMATION ON THEIR LEAKAGE RATES, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEN EXPLORING POTENTIAL COMMUNITY-WIDE REFRIGERANT REDUCTION OPPORTUNITIES AND ASSESSING FEASIBILITY THERE. 
          SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND WHERE WE'VE MET. 
          AND EXCITED TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I KNOW I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GONNA TURN TO OTHERS FIRST. 
          ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH, GO AHEAD HANNAH. 
          I SEE YOU. 
          YEAH, THANKS. 
          THANKS SO MUCH, UM, FOR THIS WORK. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, AND AND KUDOS TO TO, TO, TO YOU, I MEAN, MOLLY, PHILIP, 
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ZACH, WILL, TEAM HAN, EVERYONE WHO'S THERE, UM, FOR TRYING TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP POSITION, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS ADVOCATES HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR. 
          AND SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY EXCITING TO SEE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK I DON'T NEED TO TELL Y'ALL HOW, UM, YEAH, HOW CRITICAL LIKE THE, THE SHORT LIVED CLIMATE POLLUTANTS ARE. 
          UM, WHAT ARE THE FUNDING NEEDS HERE JUST CUT TO THE CHASE. 
          I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE MOST ACTIONABLE NEXT STEPS ARE GETTING ALIGNMENT INTERNALLY WITH OUR PROCESS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COMMUNITY-WIDE OPPORTUNITIES ARE. 
          AND AT, AT THIS POINT, YOUR ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT IS IMPORTANT, UH, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE MIGHT BE BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE ARE STILL, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, UH, OUR NEEDS HERE FIRST BEFORE TOTALLY COMMITTING THERE. 
          AMAZING. 
          I'LL, I'LL JUST MAYBE SHARE ONE, UH, COMMENT, WHICH IS, AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I LOVE TO SEE ALL THE NUMBERS IN THIS. 
          UM, WHILE YOU'RE CALCULATING THOSE CLIMATE, LIKE THE CARBON COSTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE DOLLARS PER TON. 
          I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO INCLUDE THE, THE COST SAVINGS. 
          I HAVE A FEELING LIKE NEWER APPLIANCES ARE GONNA BE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          UM, AND SO AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SHOPPING THIS AROUND, I, WHATEVER IT IS, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE THOSE TWO METRICS, MAYBE EVEN THE COST ONE BE BIGGER, UM, AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IN THIS, THIS CLIMATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MESSAGE OF, HEY, WE COULD SAVE MONEY WITH A, YOU KNOW, A NEWER, MORE EFFICIENT APPLIANCE THAT ALSO WIPES OUT OUR CITY'S WHOLE, LIKE CARBON FOOTPRINT, I THINK WOULD BE A REALLY COMPELLING ONE, ASSUMING THAT THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA COME TO, TO LIKE REPLACE EQUIPMENT. 
          YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. 
          TOTALLY AGREE. 
          YEAH, AND I THINK THAT, UH, WE WOULD FIND THAT THESE ASSET OWNERS WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, MORE EFFICIENT, BETTER APPLIANCES IN THEIR FACILITIES. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I SAW THAT Y'ALL HAD A LIST OF, UH, DEPARTMENTS THAT PROVIDED DATA, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS OF UNITS AND ALL THAT. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY GAPS? WERE THERE ANY DEPARTMENTS THAT DIDN'T RESPOND AT ALL OR, UM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU, HOW COMPLETE DO YOU THINK YOUR DATA SET IS? UM, CURRENTLY THE ONLY GAP IS, UM, AUSTIN WATER WAS ONLY ABLE TO SEND APPLIANCES THAT ARE OVER 50 POUNDS. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'RE WORKING TO, TO KIND OF GET THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, NUMBER OF, OF APPLIANCES FOR US TO ENTER INTO THE INVENTORY. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BARRIER WAS THERE? I THINK IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE QUITE TRICKY TO, TO GET SOME OF THIS DATA. 
          A LOT OF APPLIANCES ARE LOCATED, YOU KNOW, ON ROOFS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKES TIME TO, TO GET SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT WERE, WERE NEEDED. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I'M SURE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE REST OF THE INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, JUST TO ADD ONE MORE THING THERE. 
          UM, SO MOLLY DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB HIGHLIGHTING THIS DURING A PRESENTATION, BUT THE TASK OF ACTUALLY GOING AROUND AND COLLECTING THE INFORMATION OFF OF THESE APPLIANCES WAS PRETTY ONEROUS. 
          I, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME DOING IT. 
          AND THESE DEVICES ARE LIKE SITTING OUTSIDE ON CEMENT PADS NEXT TO A BUILDING FOR DECADES AT A TIME. 
          AND SO THE MANUFACTURER DATA PLATE THAT MIGHT HAVE THE INFORMATION ON IT, IF YOU CAN FIND IT MIGHT BE SUN BLEACHED OUT. 
          UM, IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION 'CAUSE IT WASN'T FILLED IN IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS THERE THAT WE WERE FIGURING OUT AS WE WENT. 
          AND, UH, SO IF THERE ARE GAPS, IT'S KIND OF JUST PART OF THE GROWING PAINS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND, AND EXPLORING THIS SPACE. 
          BUT I, I EXPECT THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO GET BETTER THROUGHOUT BOTH IN INSTALLATION AND IN RECORD KEEPING AND IN MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD. 
          BUT IF, BUT IF THERE ARE GAPS, I THINK THAT THAT'S A, A SOURCE OF THEM AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT INCLUDES RECORD KEEPING AND LEAK DETECTION, UH, AND IT MENTIONS REFRIGERANT CHARGE AND RECHARGE AMOUNTS. 
          I'M CURIOUS IF PART OF THIS PLAN IS ANY SORT OF REQUIREMENT THAT IF THE EQUIPMENT NEEDS RECHARGING, THAT YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LEAK IS, GET IT FIXED BEFORE RECHARGING. 
          IS THAT, I SEE YOU NODDING. 
          SO , UM, WELL THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE AIM ACT, SO THANKFULLY THAT IS KIND OF ALREADY GONNA BE REQUIRED STARTING THIS YEAR. 
          UM, BUT YES, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE KIND OF A BETTER, UM, MORE CONSOLIDATED DATA SET OF THOSE RECHARGES BECAUSE, UM, CURRENTLY, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE IN KIND OF EACH DEPARTMENT AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE DONE BY, UM, A PARTNER, A, A CONTRACTOR LIKE TRAIN FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, AND SO WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT DATA, UM, COLLECTED WELL INTERNALLY. 
          SO 
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HOPING TO DO THAT. 
          I'M SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT THAT IS REQUIRED OF THE LARGER ONES, UM, I ACTUALLY ENCOUNTERED THIS PERSONALLY WHERE IT TURNED OUT, I THINK I DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A LEAK, BUT ONE OF THE TECHNICIANS CAME OUT AND THEY THOUGHT I HAD A LEAK, AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE COULD JUST STOP YOU OFF. 
          AND OF COURSE I'M LIKE, MY HEAD ALMOST EXPLODES AND I GET ANOTHER PERSON OUT THERE, AND IT TURNED OUT IT WASN'T THE ISSUE, BUT I'M LIKE, THIS IS NOT LIKE, BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S PAR FOR THE COURSE. 
          UM, SO I'M CURIOUS, WHILE YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATA FOR ALL OF SMALLER UNITS, I'M GUESSING THERE ARE SMALLER UNITS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, DO THESE REQUIREMENTS STILL APPLY TO THE SMALLER UNITS SO THEY DON'T GET JUST TOPPED OFF AND SENT ON THEIR WAY AS IT WERE? UM, SO THE REQUIREMENTS WON'T APPLY TO THOSE SMALLER UNITS. 
          UM, BUT THE GOAL IN, IN KIND OF CO-PRODUCING THIS MANAGEMENT PLAN IS TO KIND OF ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO GET A SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR, UM, COLLECTING DATA ON EVEN THOSE SMALLER APPLIANCES. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, FACILITIES MANAGEMENT HAS STARTED, UM, COLLECTING THAT DATA IN THEIR TRACKING SYSTEM EVEN ON, UH, SMALLER APPLIANCES OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOPING TO, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN UPDATE RECENTLY, BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE PLAN THAT A, A, A MONTH OR TWO AGO. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, SO HOPEFULLY KIND OF DOING THIS AT THIS HIGHER LEVEL WITH THESE APPLIANCES WILL, WILL SPUR THAT HAPPENING IN SMALLER APPLIANCES AS WELL. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          DID YOU, AS PART OF THIS, LIKE COLLECT ANY DATA, EVEN IF IT WAS ANECDOTAL ABOUT HOW OFTEN UNITS ARE GETTING TOPPED OFF OR RECHARGED? UM, I HAVE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IN CONVERSATION HEARD, YOU KNOW, RUMORS ABOUT WHAT, UH, WHICH APPLIANCES PEOPLE THINK ARE, ARE SOME OF THE LUCKIEST, BUT, UM, NOT IN LIKE A CONSOLIDATED EFFORT THAT I COULD SAVE CONFIDENTLY. 
          SO STILL COLLECTING THAT PART OF THE DATA FOR THE CITY. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE NEXT PHASE OF THE DATA AND THE ACTION. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THERE'S NOT IMMEDIATE BUDGET NEEDS, BUT I ALSO HEARD THOSE REALLY HIGH PRICE TAGS FOR REPLACING OLDER UNITS. 
          I ALSO HEARD YOU MENTION THAT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, KIND OF INCENTIVE MONEY AVAILABLE POTENTIALLY FOR THOSE OLDER REFRIGERANTS. 
          WHAT PERCENTAGE, OR IS THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, HOW DOES THAT WORK AND HOW DOES THE CITY, DOES THE CITY NEED TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF MATCH TO ACCESS? BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT WE'RE STILL GONNA BE DOING THAT ANALYSIS WITH RMS ON SOME OF THOSE, UM, LARGER PRIORITY APPLIANCES. 
          UM, WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF MATH AND, AND I THINK FOR, I THINK IT WAS THE 500 POUND CHILLER, IT WAS ABOUT 20 K THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IN KIND OF A BUYBACK FROM A COMPANY. 
          UM, THAT'S MY MY APPROXIMATE ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT, UM, AND WHAT WAS THE TOTAL COST? UH, ABOUT 500,000, SO, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT, , THANKS. 
          SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME WAY OF FUNDING THINGS AT SOME POINT. 
          GO AHEAD, CHRIS. 
          SO SOMETHING JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD, AND THIS IS RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY WIDE, UM, EFFORT, WHICH I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT DIRECTLY ADDRESSING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A OLD DRYER THAT THIS WEEKEND I'M GONNA TAKE OFF TO THE RECYCLER AND IT GOT ME THINKING, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING OLD, UH, WINDOW UNITS OF REFRIGERATORS? I GUESS WHAT ARE LIKE POLICIES OF LIKE THE RECYCLERS IN THIS AREA OF DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, REFRIGERATORS FROM THOSE, EXCUSE ME, THOSE TYPE OF, UH, APPLIANCES? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU MAY NOT HAVE A DIRECT ANSWER, BUT YOU KNOW, ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE JUST CRUNCHING THEM AND THESE REFRIGERANTS ARE GOING OUT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IF YOU TALK TO THE EXPERTS OR GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT PUBLISH A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT REFRIGERANTS, THEY'LL SAY THAT THE, THEY ASSUME THAT THE ULTIMATE FATE OF ALL REFRIGERANTS IS THAT THEY LEAK, WHICH IS WHY WE CARE ABOUT IT FROM A CLIMATE PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND WHY WE SHOULD BE DOING THINGS TO PREVENT THAT AND CAPTURING AND DESTROYING THEM. 
          I BELIEVE AUSTIN ENERGY STILL HAS A PROGRAM OR YOU CAN DROP OFF AN OLD FRIDGE OR REFRIGERATOR AND THEY'LL CAPTURE AND DESTROY THOSE, UH, REFRIGERANTS IN THEM. 
          AND ONE OF OUR INTERNAL NEXT STEPS IS TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY AND, AND, UH, DESIGN OF, OF A PROGRAM THAT MIGHT DO THE SAME FOR A GREATER REACH ACROSS THE COMMUNITY, UH, WITH OUR, THE UTILITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UH, IF I COULD JUST GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION FROM EARLIER KABA ABOUT, UM, INCENTIVES, UM, AND OFFSET CREATION AND ALL THAT. 
          UH, IT ACTUALLY RELATES 
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TO THE PRESENTATION I GAVE LAST MONTH WHEN I WAS, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT OFFSETS AND, UH, THE, THE SORT OF THE PAPER TRAIL THERE IS THAT, UM, REFRIGERANTS HAVE A HIGH GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL IF YOU CAPTURE THEM AND DESTROY THEM AND PROVE THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE OFFSETS AND THEN SELL THEM IN MANDATORY, UH, CARBON MARKETS LIKE CALIFORNIA AND, AND THERE ARE SHOPS THAT DO THAT KIND OF WORK AND WE'RE STILL EXPLORING EXACTLY WHAT VALUE THOSE MIGHT HAVE IN THAT CONTEXT. 
          NOT SURE WE, WE KNOW FOR SURE YET. 
          IT'S, IT'S A NEXT STEPS STEP WITH OUR CONSULTANT. 
          SO WHEN YOU, THANK YOU. 
          WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE 20 K, WOULD IT BE FROM SELLING THE OFFSETS? UM, IT, IT, IT WASN'T, IT WAS KIND OF NOT THE MOST SOPHISTICATED ANALYSIS THAT 20 K COMES FROM, UM, BUT IT WAS BASED ON THAT 500 POUND CHILLER THAT USED R 11, UM, AND KIND OF JUST GETTING AN ESTIMATE, UM, USING JUST A LIGHT RESEARCH. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN, IN TALKING WITH SOME OF THESE OFFSET COMPANIES THAT, UM, HAVE OFFERED, UM, THIS, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE ALREADY SHUTTING THINGS DOWN, UM, MIGHT AS WELL RECEIVE SOME OF THAT BENEFIT FROM, FROM THAT, UH, SHUTDOWN OF THE EQUIPMENT. 
          I'M GONNA PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THAT , UM, JUST BECAUSE I MEAN, THE WHOLE IDEA OF AN OFFSET IS RIGHT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF ALLOWING SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THAT POLLUTION SO WE CAN THEN CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT REDUCTION. 
          SO FOR THE SAME REASON THAT AUSTIN ENERGY DOES NOT SELL THEIR RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS, UM, THEY RETIRE THEM ALL, EVEN FROM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ROOFTOP SOLAR, AUSTIN ENERGY HAS THOSE WRECKS, THEY RETIRE THEM AS OPPOSED TO SELLING THEM, IT COULD BE A SOURCE OF REVENUE, BUT THEN WE CAN'T CLAIM THAT WE'RE POWERED BY THAT AMOUNT OF RENEWABLE ENERGY. 
          AND I THINK THE SAME KIND OF LOGIC APPLIES HERE. 
          SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE EFFORT TO FIND MONEY, I, YEAH, I, I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY THERE'S, THERE'S A DOWNSIDE TO THAT. 
          YES, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS IT, IT DOES HELP WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF THE REFRIGERANT. 
          AND SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE PHIL SAID, WE KIND OF ASSUME THAT EVERYTHING WILL LEAK EVENTUALLY. 
          IT DOES KIND OF HELP GET THE REFRIGERANT DESTROYED AT SOME POINT. 
          EVEN IF, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, THE, THE EMISSION AMOUNT MIGHT GO TO, TYPICALLY IT'S CALIFORNIA I BELIEVE, PURCHASING, UM, THESE REFRIGERANT OFFSETS. 
          BUT HARRIS, HEY, Y'ALL APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO, UH, UNDER THE MANAGEMENT PLAN WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CO-PRODUCING THE FINAL PLAN WITH CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE DEPARTMENT THAT KIND OF STICKS OUT IS A CONVENTION CENTER BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TORN DOWN AND SORT OF REBUILDING, UH, WHAT IS THAT PROCESS? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU STILL HAVE TO SORT OF GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT PROCESS IS VERY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? LIKE THIS POINT IN TIME VERSUS WORKING WITH LIKE DEPARTMENTS THAT ALREADY HAVE THINGS THAT LIKE EXIST. 
          UH, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE THERE? BECAUSE I IMAGINE FROM THERE IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF LIKE STARTING OFF FROM GROUND ZERO AS OPPOSED TO BEING LIKE, THIS NEEDS FIXING OR MAINTENANCE OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW, Y'ALL ARE THE EXPERTS, YOU KNOW. 
          NO, DEFINITELY. 
          UM, EXCITED TO, TO TALK TO FOLKS, UM, AS THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT, UM, ENERGY AT THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          I WONDER IF THEY'RE ON DISTRICT COOLING, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THE CONVENTION CENTER THAT IS UNDER REDEVELOPMENT WAS ON IN DISTRICT COOLING. 
          YEAH, I, I I THINK THEY DID HAVE SOME REFRIGERATOR AND CONTAINING APPLIANCES ON SITE THERE, BUT MOST OF THEIR COOLING CAME FROM THE BIG DISTRICT PLANTS. 
          THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED FROM THEM WAS FROM THE PALMER EVENT CENTER. 
          AND, AND THEY DO HAVE SOME REFRIGERATOR AND CONTAINING APPLIANCES THERE. 
          UH, THAT'S ANOTHER CONVENTION CENTER, UH, FACILITY. 
          YEAH, THEY, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT SINCE THEY'RE REDEVELOPING AND BUILDING NEW THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'LL HAVE THERE IS STATE OF THE ART AND THEY CAN, UH, SET UP TO BE IN COMPLIANCE FROM DAY ONE. 
          UM, SO EASIER TO DO IT FROM THE BEGINNING THEN TO RETROFIT, FOR SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THE NUMBERS. 
          WANNA WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO, UH, THERE WAS A MENTION ABOUT THE 103,000, UH, METRIC TONS OF CO2. 
          SO YOU SAID IT, THAT'S KIND, ASSUMING EVERYTHING KIND OF GETS RELEASED AT ONCE, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND SO THAT INCLUDES OUR, OUR DISTRICT COOLING, WHICH IS SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, LARGEST APPLIANCES, UM, THAT CITY OPERATES. 
          RIGHT, OKAY. 
          SO IN REALITY, THE ACTUAL LEAKS WOULD BE LIKE A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THAT? YES. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE EXACT DATA ON THAT YET HOPING TO, TO START COLLECTING IT. 
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UM, BUT THE EPA ASSUMPTION FOR LEAKS ARE ABOUT 10% FROM COOLING AND ALMOST ALL OF OUR APPLIANCES WERE, UM, AC COOLING APPLIANCES. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          UH, AND I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          UH, ANY, ANY IDEA ON, YOU KNOW, ONCE THIS IS SAID AND DONE, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATES BASED ON LITERATURE ON LIKE HOW MUCH IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE YOU CAN, YOU CAN REDUCE WHILE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THESE, UH, THESE PROGRAMS? IT'S A COMPLEX EQUATION, , INCLUDING ENERGY EFFICIENCY, INCLUDING POTENTIAL, UM, BUYBACK. 
          SO, UM, DON'T HAVE A GREAT, A GREAT NUMBER FOR THAT YET, BUT HOPING TO HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR AT LEAST OUR KIND OF PRIORITY APPLIANCES OR LARGEST APPLIANCES BY THE END OF THIS PRODUCT. 
          YEAH, OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING PHILLIP, THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S A LOW PERCENTAGE OVERALL IN THE CITY, SO I'D BE INTERESTING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A REALISTIC PERCENTAGE REDUCTION, BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IF, YOU KNOW, IF BY REDUCING SMALL AMOUNTS YOU CAN, UH, REALLY HAVE A BIG IMPACT THAT THAT MAKES SENSE TO, TO, UH, PRIORITIZE THOSE, SO APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT SPEAKS TO SORT OF INFORM OUR ENTIRE APPROACH HERE. 
          AND, AND BACK TO A COMMENT EARLIER FROM YOU KIBA ABOUT, UH, COULD YOU, UH, COULD THE MANAGEMENT PLAN ACCOUNT FOR THE APPLIANCES WITH LESS THAN 15 POUNDS? SURE, EVENTUALLY, UH, FOR SURE. 
          BUT NOW, UH, AT THE START, I THINK YOU CERTAINLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THE HIGHEST IMPACT INTERVENTIONS AND THAT'S, UH, THE, MAYBE NOT THE LOWEST HANGING FRUIT, BUT THE, THE FATTEST FRUIT, I GUESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. 
          AND THAT DOES TEND TO BE THE OLDEST REFRIGERANTS OR THE OLDEST APPLIANCES WITH THE WORST REFRIGERANTS THAT LEAK THE MOST AND RUN THE LEAST EFFICIENCY, RUN THE LEAST EFFICIENTLY BECAUSE THERE'S JUST LIKE CLIMATE BENEFITS. 
          THERE'S, UH, BUDGETARY BENEFITS AS YOU MENTIONED, ANA, AND, AND BECAUSE THIS IS AN EMERGING SPACE FOR US, UM, AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO, I THINK THOSE ARE THE PLACES THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS THE MOST HERE AT THE BEGINNING. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT, I THINK ANNA WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, JUST SIGNING, YOU KNOW, A COST TO IT. 
          'CAUSE THEN YOU CAN REALLY SEE, OKAY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE COMPARED TO OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, TO REDUCE EMISSION? SO I THINK THAT'LL BE PROBABLY IMPORTANT TO SURE, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL BE REVISITING THAT. 
          UH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE SLIDE SEVEN OR SOMETHING IN MINE WHERE, WHERE WE SHOWED COST EFFECTIVENESS. 
          WE'LL BE PROBABLY REVISITING ALL THAT SOON, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE CONTEXT OF REFRIGERANT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND IF, IF YOUR QUESTION EARLIER WAS TO, UM, BY HAVING A MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHAT'S THE LEAKAGE YOU COULD EXPECT TO REDUCE MM-HMM . 
          THERE'S AN ESTIMATE THERE FROM OUR CONSULTANT. 
          I THINK IT'S LIKE 50% REDUCTION IN LEAKAGE AND JUST BY MANAGING IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT NOTHING YEAH. 
          PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE, THE HIGHEST IMPACT STUFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S QUITE A BIT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANKS. 
          SO I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN I ASK IF THAT REQUIREMENT FOR FIXING LEAKS BEFORE REFILLING, UM, APPLIED TO THE SMALLER ONES. 
          I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT IT DID, BUT I'M NOT HEARING YOU SAY THE PLAN DOESN'T APPLY. 
          IS IT THAT MAYBE JUST THAT ONE ELEMENT APPLIES, OR SORRY, I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          UM, ANY APPLIANCE THAT LEAKS OVER 125% IN A YEAR HAS TO BE, UM, EITHER SHUT DOWN OR SURFACED. 
          AND THEN I THINK THERE'S DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR DIFFERENT, UM, LEAK AMOUNTS. 
          BUT I'D HAVE TO KIND OF DO A REVIEW OF THE ACT 125% MEANING MM-HMM . 
          MORE, WHOA, THAT'S A LOW BAR . 
          I WOULD LOVE TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. 
          AND THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE, UM, WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY MAYBE THE FULL PLAN IS NOT READY TO APPLY TO EVERYTHING. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE A KIND OF EASY THING THAT, UM, THE CITY COULD JUST DO AS A COURSE OF ALL MAINTENANCE THAT LIKE, IF, IF THE NEEDED MAINTENANCE INCLUDES RECHARGING, THAT LIKE THAT LEAK NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED FIRST, LIKE THAT SEEMS POINT OF DISTINCTION THERE. 
          SO WHAT MOLLY'S TALKING ABOUT IS AN AMAC REQUIREMENTS PART OF THE REGULATION. 
          AND THEN A MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DEVELOP BASED ON THAT AND, AND BEST PRACTICES OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR CONSULTANT. 
          LIKE IF IT LEAKS REPAIR BEFORE YOU RECHARGE IT, UM, I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE THING TO INCLUDE IN A MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS FOR THE REFRIGERANTS THAT ARE PHASED OUT, UM, IF THEY'RE LEAKING, HOW DO THEY RECHARGE THEM? DO THEY HAVE OLD SUPPLY ON HAND? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND 
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THAT OLD SUPPLY, AS IT DWINDLES, IT BECOMES INCREASINGLY, UH, MORE EXPENSIVE, UH, WHICH FURTHER INCENTIVIZES THE NEED TO TRANSITION OFF OF THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          LAST QUESTION FROM ME ANYWAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAS, HAS ONE, RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          I'M CURIOUS ABOUT FOR THE PUBLIC FACING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SAID THE CITY WAS LEADING ON THIS, SO MAYBE THE ANSWER IS THAT NOBODY'S DONE THIS, BUT I'M CURIOUS IF YOU'VE COME ACROSS ANY OTHER STATES, CITIES, JURISDICTIONS, ANYWHERE THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING BEYOND THEIR CITY OPERATIONS, BUT SAY HAVING AN ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES REPAIRING AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST CONTINUALLY RECHARGING. 
          UM, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'VE SEEN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER HERE? UM, I'M FORGETTING THE EXACT CONTENT OF THE PLAN, BUT I KNOW THAT, UM, IN NEW YORK THERE WAS A GRANT, UH, PROGRAM FROM THE STATE AND ONE CITY THERE CHOSE TO DO A REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, FROM THOSE FUNDS. 
          UM, I, UM, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING MORE INTO THAT, BUT I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT SPECIFICALLY CONTAINED, UM, THAT, BUT WOULD LOVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH AND GET BACK TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE GREAT WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          THANKS FOR THE QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, NEXT UP, 
          [3. Staff briefing on the Comprehensive Climate Implementation Program. Presentation by  Braden Latham-Jones, Austin Climate Action and Resilience. ]
UH, BRAYDEN IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING ON AN UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM. 
          HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. 
          GOOD TO BE WITH Y'ALL AGAIN TONIGHT. 
          UM, BRADEN LETHAM JONES, CLIMATE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR AUSTIN CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN BACK ON THIS TOPIC IN A LITTLE WHILE, BUT, UH, NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS. 
          I'VE GOT GOOD UPDATES TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL, UM, AND EAGER TO GET STARTED. 
          SO HOPE FOR, HOPEFULLY FOR TODAY WE CAN COVER THE COUNCIL DIRECTION AND PURPOSE, KIND OF WHAT, AS A REMINDER, A REFRESHER FOR FOLKS SINCE MY LAST TOPIC HERE. 
          UM, WHAT GOT THIS WORK STARTED, GO MORE INTO THE STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN FORMALIZED AND DEVELOPED SINCE WE LAST SPOKE. 
          UM, AND LOOK AT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN PRACTICE AND HOW IT BENEFITS THROUGH OPPORTUNITIES, UM, FOR IMPLEMENTATION HERE AT THE CITY ON ALL THINGS CLIMATE, AS WELL AS COVERING OUR PRIORITIES FOR THIS YEAR. 
          ALRIGHT, AS A REFRESHER, WE WERE RESPONDING TO A COUNCIL RESOLUTION PAST NOW, TWO AGO IN 2024 THAT INITIATED, UH, A CALL FOR STAFF TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM. 
          UM, ONE OF WHICH INCLUDED A BOND CONVERSATION, UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY ONGOING, BUT THE OTHER WAS FOR BROADER INVESTMENTS IN OUR CLIMATE. 
          SO WITH THAT DIRECTION, WE DEVELOPED THROUGH A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH PEERS, CITIES, AND NETWORKS LIKE C 40 AND OTHERS. 
          UM, WHAT ARE BEST PRACTICES IN IMPLEMENTATION AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL FOR ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE AND GETTING TO OUR CLIMATE GOALS. 
          THAT LED TO, UH, SORT OF TWO PATH APPROACH FOR OUR WORK ON IMPLEMENTING OUR CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN. 
          ONE WAS TO BREAK DOWN SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS AND A TWO YEAR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          THAT HAS BEEN THE SOURCE OF MUCH TOPIC. 
          A MUCH DISCUSSION HERE WITH Y'ALL, UH, AND HAS BEEN LIVE SINCE LAST YEAR. 
          UH, AND I'LL GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON PROGRESS THERE. 
          UM, BUT THE FOCUS OF TODAY IS MOSTLY TO GIVE Y'ALL A, AN UPDATE AND AN OVERVIEW ON THAT PROGRAMMATIC ADJUSTMENTS BUCKET OF WORK AND HOW OUR INTERNAL CITY STAFF INFRASTRUCTURE IS FOCUSING ITS IMPLEMENTATION EFFORTS MOVING FORWARD. 
          COOL. 
          BRIEF REMINDER FOR THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, AGAIN, SHOVEL READY ACTIONS. 
          THERE WERE 46 WITH 10 FOUNDATIONAL. 
          WE ANALYZED THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION POTENTIAL FOR EACH OF THOSE ACTIONS AND VETTED THEM WITH STAFF, VETTED THEM WITH Y'ALL. 
          UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE ALREADY IN PROGRESS 'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT THEY WERE PRIORITIES OF THE DEPARTMENTS. 
          I WILL HIGHLIGHT A FEW IN MY NEXT SLIDE THAT ARE OF PARTICULAR FOCUS THAT I BELIEVE WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED OR BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE SAME WAY WITHOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT Y'ALL HELPED BUILD. 
          THE FIRST IS SOLAR AND CITY FACILITIES. 
          YOU HAD A PRESENTATION ON THAT RECENTLY THAT WAS SELECTED FOR COUNCIL ACTION AS A RESULT OF 
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BEING, UH, IDENTIFIED ON THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AS A POSSIBLE MEASURE THAT REDUCED GREENHOUSE GASES, BUT ALSO SAVED THE CITY MONEY. 
          UM, THAT IS ON TRACK AND ON TIME SO FAR. 
          WE'RE EAGER TO FINISH THAT UP QUICKLY SO THAT WE CAN GET, UH, IN BEFORE THE TAX CREDITS EXPIRE AND WE BELIEVE WE'LL DO SO. 
          WE'RE ON TRACK TO DO SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          FLEET ELECTRIFICATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL ATTENTION FROM COUNSEL ON THAT TOPIC AS WELL, BASED ON AN ASSESSMENT OF ITS OPPORTUNITY FOR SAVINGS, WE WERE ABLE TO DIVE INTO SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S REQUIRED TO GET THAT RIGHT AND WHAT A TIMELINE THAT'S FAIR WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, Y'ALL RECEIVED A PRESENTATION FROM OUR EDF FELLOW WHO HELPED THAT PROGRESS. 
          UM, AND THE THIRD IS A GREEN BUILDING POLICY REVISION. 
          WE'VE JUST STARTED THAT CONVERSATION EXPLORING THE EXISTING POLICY, UNDERSTANDING HOW WE GOT TO THE EXISTING POLICY THROUGH SOME RESEARCH AND, AND EVALUATION. 
          AND WE'RE DOING A CURRENT STATE ASSESSMENT, UH, IN THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS SO THAT WE CAN DEVELOP WHAT A GOOD AND COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR A GREEN BUILDING, OUR CURRENT GREEN BUILDING POLICY. 
          LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING BY Y'ALL, UH, AND THROUGH COUNCIL ACTION WAS DIRECTED OUR OFFICE TO CONVENE A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE CROSS DEPARTMENTALLY TO FOCUS ON A REVOLVING FUND FOCUSED FOR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS AND COST SAVINGS. 
          THAT'S ALSO IN PROGRESS. 
          WE'RE HAVING MEETINGS AS WE SPEAK WITH ONE NEXT WEEK, UH, AND SEVERAL THIS WEEK AS WELL, JUST TO GET THAT SET UP AND ESTABLISHED IN GOOD TIME. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE EXISTING PROJECTS AND ACTIONS ON THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT ARE ALREADY ONGOING FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENTAL LEADS. 
          ALRIGHT, PROGRAMMATIC, AFTER A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE IDENTIFIED THREE MAIN, UH, AREAS THAT WE FELT WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO EACH OTHER AND REALLY HELP US STREAMLINE OUR IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY AS A CITY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA COVER EACH IN MORE DEPTH, BUT THIS IS SORT OF A SUMMARY SLIDE OF THOSE THREE COMPONENTS. 
          ONE BEING A CLIMATE CLIMATE CABINET. 
          SO CREATING A CLIMATE CABINET WHERE WE HAVE SPECIFIC POINTS OF CONTACTS FROM ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS RELEVANT FOR CLIMATE WORK, UH, THAT MEETS MONTHLY, THAT PROVIDES STRATEGIC DIRECTION AND OVERSIGHT FOR GETTING TO OUR CLIMATE GOALS. 
          IT SERVES AS A SORT OF STEERING COMMITTEE FOR OUR IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM, THE BROADER COMPREHENSIVE CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM CART, WHICH IS CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE TEAM. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT STANDS FOR. 
          THAT'S A LARGE BODY OF, OF, OF COME ONE, COME ALL PARTICIPATION. 
          WE USE THAT AND HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT I'LL EXPLAIN IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT IS AS LARGE AS WE CAN MAKE IT. 
          IT'S, UH, FOR FOLKS WHO ARE EITHER INTERESTED IN THE WORK BECAUSE IT'S RELEVANT TO THEIR DAY JOBS, THEY'RE INTERESTED IN CLIMATE WORK BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THEIR DAY JOBS, BUT THEY CARE ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S A PASSION OF THEIRS. 
          THEY WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PLUG INTO THAT WORK AND TO BE OF USE. 
          UH, IT'S ALSO A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR NETWORKING AND IDEA SHARING AND COLLABORATION OF ALL KINDS. 
          THEY, THAT GROUP MEETS QUARTERLY AND DELIVERY TEAMS ARE JUST GETTING STARTED. 
          THESE ARE STRATEGICALLY FOCUSED, OUTCOMES DRIVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES CALLED WORKING GROUPS. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE RENAMING IT FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF IMPLEMENTATION FOR THIS, THIS, UH, IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM. 
          BUT THESE ARE CROSS-FUNCTIONAL TEAMS WITH ALL VARYING DEGREES OF EXPERTISE BETWEEN ENGINEERS, PLANNERS, UH, FINANCIAL EXPERTS, UM, AND THE REST, THOSE FOLKS ARE BUILT. 
          THIS DELIVERY TEAM IS BUILT AND DISSOLVED AS NEEDED. 
          SO IT'S USUALLY A TIME BOUND PROJECT THAT, UH, CAN GET POPPED UP WHEN IT'S A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF CROSS DEPARTMENTAL COLLABORATION AND THEN DISSOLVED WHEN THAT PROJECT IS OVER OR WHEN IT IS EMBEDDED INTO THE EXISTING WORK OF A DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          DIVING MORE INTO THE CART, THE CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE TEAM. 
          WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS SO FAR. 
          UM, IT'S A WHOLE TEAM EFFORT. 
          A LOT OF THE FOLKS WITHIN OUR OFFICE HELP FACILITATE, HELP PLAN THE AGENDAS, HELP GET PEOPLE TO THE EVENTS. 
          UH, AT BOTH EVENTS WE'VE HAD AROUND A HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOW UP, UH, ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, VERY WELL REPRESENTATIVE ACROSS, UH, THE ORGANIZATION. 
          IT'S A LARGE, INCLUSIVE, INCLUSIVE GROUP OF CITY STAFF COMING TOGETHER FOR COORDINATION, NETWORKING, EDUCATION, AND INFORM INFORMATION SHARING. 
          SO WE'VE HAD SOME PLANNING EXERCISES, WE'VE HAD SOME BRAINSTORMING EXERCISES. 
          THIS NEXT ONE IN MARCH, WE'LL BE HAVING A GUEST SPEAKER TO TALK ON TOPICS, UH, OF RELEVANCE FOR CITY STAFF. 
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UM, AGAIN, OUTCOMES DRIVEN WITH BUY-IN AND TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION FROM LEADERSHIP. 
          SO THEY HELP WITH THE CLIMATE CABINET, THEY HELP SET THE AGENDA AND THE REST. 
          SO BEFORE GOING INTO WHAT AUSTIN'S CLIMATE CABINET IS DOING, I'D LIKE TO TALK BROADLY ABOUT CLIMATE CABINETS AS AN EMERGING BEST PRACTICE IN CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          WE BELIEVE THIS IS, UM, SECURING A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH. 
          ONE OF THE STRUGGLES THAT I THINK WE'VE ALL ACKNOWLEDGED IS THAT WITH THAT ONE DEPARTMENT TASKED WITH IMPLEMENTING, UH, ALL OF THE GOALS WITHIN THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY RELIES ON OUR OWN CAPACITY AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO ON ANY GIVEN YEAR. 
          BUT EMBEDDING THE GO CLIMATE GOALS ACROSS THE CITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON GETTING TO THOSE GOALS FROM A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH IS, UH, A RECOMMENDATION FROM OTHER CITIES IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM ORGANIZATIONS. 
          AND IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR US SO FAR IN THIS TRIAL PERIOD FOR THIS BROADER PROGRAM. 
          UM, WE FOUNDED IMPLEMENTATION HAS BEEN MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. 
          WE ARE REDUCING REDUNDANCY, WE'RE FINDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COLLABORATION. 
          WE'RE REALIZING SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON OUR PLATES ARE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PLATES IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO CONNECT THOSE DOTS AND BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER MORE STRATEGICALLY. 
          UM, AND IT ALLOWS FOR A LOT QUICKER PROBLEM SOLVING. 
          UH, AS WE'VE TALKED TO OTHER CITIES WHO'VE DONE THIS, LOS ANGELES BEING ONE, PHILADELPHIA, BOSTON, A LOT OF EXPERTISE OUT THERE OF HOW THESE HAVE GONE AND, AND WHAT HAS BEEN THEIR LESSONS LEARNED. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OF THAT KNOWLEDGE AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE WITH OURS. 
          SO, BREAKING DOWN THE PRIMARY DUTIES OF AUSTIN'S CLIMATE CABINET IS, YOU KNOW, COORDINATING CITYWIDE CLIMATE ACTION, DRIVING IMPLEMENTATION, GUIDING OUR AGENDAS FOR THE LARGE BODY MEETING THAT, THAT CART UH, BODY MEETING TRACKING AND MANAGING PROGRESS ON DELIVERY TEAMS. SO MANAGING THE ESTABLISHMENT, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF DELIVERY TEAMS. SO WHEN THERE IS A PROJECT THAT IS ELEVATED TO THE POINT OF A DELIVERY TEAM, IT IS RAISED TO THE CABINET. 
          THE CABINET THEN DISCUSSES DELIVERY RATES AND APPROVES THE CREATION OF THAT DELIVERY TEAM. 
          ONCE SUCH EXAMPLE IS A CLIMATE REVOLVING FUND, WHICH WAS JUST ESTABLISHED FORMALLY AS A DELIVERY TEAM BY THE CLIMATE CABINET. 
          IT ALLOWS US ALSO AS A BODY ACROSS DEPARTMENTS TO RESPOND TO COUNCIL ACTION AND, UH, DIRECTION FROM MANAGEMENT ON ANY GIVEN CLIMATE PRIORITY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE THE GAPS, WHAT IS THE NEEDS FOR SUCCESS AT ANY GIVEN DIRECTION, AND HOW DO WE GET THERE ON AND ON WHAT TIMELINE? IT'S REALLY STREAMLINED THAT COMMUNICATION AND MADE THAT MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO SET UP MEETINGS RANDOMLY OR SET UP MEETINGS AD HOC. 
          IT'S MUCH MORE LIKE, OKAY, WELL WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEXT AGENDA? GREAT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          LET'S PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. 
          DISCUSSION, DELIBERATION. 
          IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO HAVE SOME TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ON HOW THIS PROGRAM IS GOING. 
          BROADLY SPEAKING, AGAIN, THIS IS A BIT OF AN EXPERIMENT FOR AUSTIN. 
          IT'S NOT FOR OTHER CITIES. 
          WE'RE, AGAIN, PUTTING INTO PRACTICE HERE. 
          A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE LEARNED FROM CONVERSATION WITH OTHER CITIES, BUT THE BODY OF, OF PEOPLE ON THIS CABINET HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN CREATING, UH, SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR AUSTIN IN OUR ENVIRONMENT AND MAKING THAT AS GOOD AND EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING PROCESS AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE TWEAKS TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT FIT FOR OUR IMPLEMENTATION PURPOSES. 
          ALRIGHT, WHAT IS THE DELIVERY TEAM? SO IT'S CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL IMPLEMENTATION TOOL. 
          UM, AGAIN, AND IT'S A, IT'S A BODY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE CALL IT A WORKING GROUP. 
          IN THIS CASE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A BIT MORE FORMAL, UH, SO THAT WE CAN SECURE THAT EXECUTIVE SUPPORT IF IT ISN'T THERE. 
          UM, WE CAN SO STREAMLINE THE WORK AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IN CONVERSATION WITH EACH OTHER. 
          WHEN DELIVERY TEAMS ARE SET UP, THERE'S A REPORTING STRUCTURE THAT GETS PLACED INTO OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM. 
          SO THE DELIVERY TEAMS ARE REPORTING OUT TO THE CLIMATE CABINET SAYING, THESE ARE THE OBSTACLES WE FACE. 
          THESE ARE THE BARRIERS THAT WE FACE. 
          THIS IS WHERE THIS OUR GREATEST NEED OF SUPPORT IS. 
          AND YOU CAN BRAINSTORM PROBLEM SOLVING, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR EACH OF THOSE BARRIERS. 
          AND SO FAR, AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AND, AND HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM SO FAR. 
          THIS IS AN ORG CHART. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE SEE ON THE BEST DAY OF, OF OPERATING THIS PROGRAM. 
          SO YOU HAVE OUR OFFICE PROVIDING FACILITATION AND LOGISTICS. 
          SO WE DO THE MOST OF THE CONVENING FOR ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS OUTSIDE OF DELIVERY TEAMS. THERE, UH, USUALLY IS A DELIVERY TEAM, UH, CHAIR THAT, THAT HELPS HERD THAT, THAT GROUP TOWARDS A GOAL. 
          BUT, UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE CONVENE THE CART MEETINGS, WE CONVENE THE CABINET MEETINGS, WE FACILITATE ALL OF THOSE. 
          UM, THERE IS A SEPARATE BODY CALLED THE CLIMATE ENVIRONMENT LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT IS A 
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DIRECTOR LEVEL BODY. 
          UM, THEY PROVIDE SUPPORT TO US AND GUIDANCE ON THEIR WORKLOADS AND WHO TO TALK TO IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND A GOOD SOURCE OF PROBLEM SOLVING AS WELL. 
          AT THE DIRECTOR LEVEL, WE MANAGE THE CLIMATE CABINET, WHICH PROVIDES THAT STRATEGIC OVERSIGHT AND DIRECTION FOR THE BROADER IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM. 
          AND THAT LOWER BUCKET IS ALL OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED THAT HAVE ATTENDED MEETINGS SO FAR. 
          AGAIN, MULTIPLE MEETINGS, SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO HAVE ATTENDED, YOU KNOW, THE MEETINGS SO FAR. 
          UM, AND THEN THOSE TEAMS THERE IN THE MIDDLE ARE THOSE DELIVERY TEAMS. WE'RE SOURCING CAPACITY FROM CART. 
          SO PEOPLE WITH SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE, PEOPLE WITH CAPACITY, PEOPLE WITH RELEVANT JOB AND PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE CAN SERVE ON ANY OF THESE DELIVERY TEAMS, UH, TO HELP MOVE THE, THE PROJECTS AND GOALS OF THOSE DELIVERY TEAMS FORWARD. 
          WE BELIEVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS SO FAR HAS BEEN JUST BUILDING A REGULAR COMMUNICATION CHANNEL BETWEEN CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE, CMO, UM, THE DIRECTOR LEVEL CONVENING GROUP, CLIMATE ENVIRONMENT LEADERSHIP TEAM, UH, AND ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'VE BUILT SO FAR, WE SEE THAT AS AN ONGOING LOOP. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE DELIVERY TEAMS REPORT UP TO THE CABINET. 
          THE CABINET REPORTS OUT TO THE CART, WE REPORT UP TO THE KELT, THE CLIMATE ENVIRONMENT LEADERSHIP TEAM, AND THE DIRECTORS WILL REPORT BACK UP TO THE MANAGER AND ANYTHING THAT COMES FROM THE MANAGER AND OR DIRECTORS GOES BACK DOWN. 
          SO IT ALLOWS US TO STAY IN REALLY CLOSE COMMUNICATION THROUGHOUT OUR IMPLEMENTATION, BOTH ON THE PLAN AND ON ANY OTHER PROJECTS AS DESIGNATED BY LEADERSHIP OR BY COUNCIL. 
          SO AS I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, THERE'S A FEW KEY OPPORTUNITIES AND BENEFITS WE'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED AND EXPECT TO CONTINUE EXPERIENCING. 
          UM, EXPANDING CAPACITY FOR DEPARTMENTAL PRIORITIES THROUGH THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IDENTIFYING FUNDING AND LOGISTICAL SUPPORT, UH, FOR DEPARTMENTAL PRIORITIES THAT ARE RELEVANT FOR ACHIEVING OUR CLIMATE. 
          GOALS, COORDINATING ON SHARED PRIORITIES WHEN THERE'S OBSTACLES. 
          UM, BRINGING IN GUEST SPEAKERS AND EXPERTS TO CONSULT AND ADVISE ON VARIOUS TOPICS OF INTEREST. 
          SO GETTING OUTSIDE OF OUR OWN BUBBLE AND BEING ABLE TO PULL FROM SOME OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY AND IN THE WORLD FOR OUR OWN LEARNING AND FOR OUR OWN ADVANCEMENT SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S BEING TRIED ELSEWHERE, WHAT'S WORKING ELSEWHERE, AND WE CAN GIVE IT A TRY HERE. 
          UM, ELEVATING AND COMMUNICATING BARRIERS TO EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP. 
          AGAIN, THAT, THAT FEEDBACK LOOP, THAT CONSTANT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN ALL LEVELS AND IDENTIFYING NEW ACTIONS THAT COULD HELP US ACHIEVE THOSE CLIMATE GOALS, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT A PART OF THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN JUST YET, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER ALL THINGS AS LONG AS THEY GET US TOWARDS THAT NET ZERO GOAL. 
          AND THEN SHARING BEST PRACTICES AND IMPORTING COLLEAGUES WITH ANALYSIS, MEMOS, BRIEFINGS, ALL THE REST AS THEY SPEAK PUBLICLY. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY SOME EXPERTISE THAT THEY COULD RELY ON FOR US. 
          AND WE'VE BUILT IN COMMUNICATION CHANNELS LIKE THE CABINET LIKE CART, WHERE THAT SUPPORT CAN BE PROVIDED, UM, AS NEEDED. 
          OUR PRIORITIES FOR THIS YEAR IS TO EXPAND DELIVERY TEAMS, SO WE'RE CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION. 
          THE CLIMATE CABINET, LIKE I SAID, CLIMATE REVOLVING FUND HAS BEEN ONE THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. 
          WE'RE CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION, NOT JUST WITHIN THE ONES THAT OUR OFFICE IS MANAGING, BUT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND CROSS DEPARTMENTAL PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATES. 
          UM, ADVANCED FUNDING STRATEGIES, SO THINGS LIKE THE REVOLVING FUND AND ACTIONS THAT LIKE SOLAR ON CITY FACILITIES THAT CAN INCREASE SAVINGS OR CUT COSTS. 
          UM, LAUNCH ADDITIONAL IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ACTIONS. 
          SO GOING BACK THROUGH THE 46 ACTIONS AND 10 FOUNDATION ACTIONS, FINDING OUT WHICH ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE BACK BURNER FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT IF JUST WITH A LITTLE EXTRA SUPPORT OR A LITTLE EXTRA CAPACITY COULD GET STARTED. 
          AND THEN FINE TUNING ALL OF IT, ALL OF THE CLIMATE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED SO FAR. 
          THINGS LIKE THE CABIN AND THINGS LIKE THE CART. 
          JUST FINE TUNING THAT OVER THE NEXT YEAR IS A TOP PRIORITY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TODAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, BRADEN. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WELL, YOU'RE DOING GOOD WORK. 
          I'M GLAD TO HEAR THERE. 
          SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT MORE COORDINATION GOING ON BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS. 
          I'M CURIOUS IF THAT HAS INCLUDED PURCHASING. 
          UM, AND I 
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ASK PARTIALLY 'CAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE DISCUSSING AS IT PERTAINS TO BUDGET. 
          AND IT'S BEEN, UH, ON, ON THE LIST, MAYBE NOT ON THE TOP FOUR, BUT ARE THEY PARTICIPATING AND IS THAT FRUITFUL? YEAH, THEY ARE. 
          THEY, UM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC POINTS OF CONTACT FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, AGAIN, WE TOUCHED EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT IS RELATED TO ANY GLI CLIMATE GOALS FOR THE CITY. 
          ONE OF THOSE BEING PURCHASING. 
          UM, THE DIRECTOR PROVIDED US WITH A CONTACT. 
          THAT CONTACT HAS BEEN VERY ENGAGED IN THE CONVERSATION SO FAR. 
          WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THAT'S GREAT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK SOME OF US WERE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET THEM BACK IN TO GIVE US AN UPDATE. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY THAT, THAT THEY WILL AT LEAST BE TUNED IN AND THAT SHOULDN'T COME, COME OUT OR NOWHERE. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU BRADEN. 
          OF COURSE. 
          APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. 
          THANK YOU'ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE 
          [4. Approve a recommendation related to climate and sustainability in the FY26 City of Austin  Budget. ]
NOW HAVE THREE ITEMS POSTED FOR ACTION. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT THE BUDGET, AND I'M GONNA LET ANNA LAY THIS ONE OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING OUT LOUD AS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AM I ABLE TO SHARE? I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU PROBABLY CAN JUST SAW A THING. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO, UH, PARTICIPATED IN, IN THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, AND EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT, THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO THE LENGTHY, TOO LENGTHY SCHEDULING PROCESS, UM, AND, UH, SHARING, UH, SORRY, THIS IS LIKE MY FIRST TIME USING WEBEX, SO I'M, THIS MAY NOT, UH, SUCCEED, UM, IN SHARING THIS WITHOUT A RESTART, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          WE CAN JUST, THEY SHOULD HAVE A HERE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL GOOD. 
          UH, THEN LET'S SEE HOW MUCH OF THIS I CAN DO WHILE I TALK. 
          UM, SO IT'S ITEM FOUR, IF YOU HAVE THAT BACKUP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, I, SORRY, I THINK THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE A, A RESTART FOR ME. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO AT, AT A HIGH LEVEL, I THINK WE WANTED, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF FOLKS IS, UH, THE NEED TO FOCUS SPECIFICALLY THANK YOU. 
          CITY HALL AV ONE, UM, WAS TO FOCUS ON COST REDUCTION, UM, AND KIND OF, UH, HAVE, UH, BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE COGNIZANT OF THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC CLIMATE. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO DRAFT THAT, UH, IN THESE WHEREASES. 
          UH, BUT THE, THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE, UM, INCLUDED SEVERAL ITEMS, UM, ITEMS. AND, UH, THE INTEREST IS BOTH TO HAVE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ADD TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          BUT ALSO THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION AROUND THINGS, YOU KNOW, PLACES WHERE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE LINE IS HELD. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS, UH, THIS BUDGET IS INTENDED TO BE INCLUSIVE OF THAT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE THAT WE SEE HERE IS NO CUTS TO THE OFFICE OF AUSTIN CLIMATE RESILIENCE. 
          OH MY GOSH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THE ACRONYM LIVE. 
          UM, CAN, CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN, UH, PLEASE. 
          SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE LIST? YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO CERTAINLY HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT, BUT I THINK MAYBE THE MEAT OF THIS COMES INTO THE SUBSEQUENT ONES. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED, UH, IN OUR DISCUSSION WAS THE CLIMATE REVOLVING FUND, WHICH HAS INDEED BEEN ESTABLISHED, UM, BY A COUNCIL RESOLUTION IN AUGUST. 
          UH, AND, YOU KNOW, AS PER A LOT OF OUR READ OF THIS RESOLUTION, UM, IT DOES SEEM TO SUGGEST THAT, UH, SAVINGS FROM ESSENTIALLY SOLAR, UM, ENERGY ON CITY FACILITIES, KAVA, CORRECT ME IF I'M GETTING THE DETAILS WRONG, UM, ARE TO BE DIRECTED INTO A FUND, UH, THAT CAN BE USED FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS, UH, SUSTAINABILITY ITEMS. AND SO THAT CAME UP AS NUMBER TWO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THAT IN PLACE WOULD ALLOW US TO SPEND ON OTHER THINGS. 
          KIBA, DID I GET THAT RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION, UM, PERHAPS ON WHAT THE INTENTION WAS WITH THAT. 
          BUT I THINK, UH, EVEN, EVEN IF IT WAS THE, 
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I GUESS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ONLY NEW SOLAR, UM, IS BEING CAPTURED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, I THINK WE STILL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S FORMALIZED, UM, ESPECIALLY AS THE CITY, UH, HOPEFULLY MOVES FORWARD WITH A BUNCH OF NEW SOLAR WE NEED, WE NEED THAT FUND IN PLACE. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          NOW WE DO, I DON'T KNOW IF CITY FO LIKE THE STAFF IS STILL THERE AND ABLE TO COMMENT ON THIS. 
          WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON IT. 
          I DUNNO IF PHIL OR ANYONE'S ABLE TO LIKE, COMMENT LIVE ON THAT. 
          HE'S COMING TO THE MIC. 
          HELLO. 
          COMMENT ON WHAT, CAN YOU REMIND ME EXACTLY THE QUESTION YOU HAVE? YEAH, SO SPECIFICALLY ON, UM, THE CLIMATE REVOLVING FUND, LIKE WHEN WE PULLED UP THE RESOLUTION, UH, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE RESOLUTION DIRECTS, UH, SAVINGS FROM SOLAR ON CITY ROOFTOPS, I BELIEVE, UH, INTO A, INTO A FUND. 
          AND THERE'S POTENTIALLY SOME IMPLICATIONS FROM THIS, ONE OF WHICH IS LIKE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE IT'S LIKE ALL SOLAR, NOT JUST FUTURE SOLAR. 
          BUT THE SECOND ONE IS LIKE, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME IMPLICATIONS FOR A CAR HERE IN THAT LIKE, SOMEONE HAS TO DO THIS ACCOUNTING, RIGHT? UM, AND SO, UH, I THINK THE, THE QUESTIONS WAS LIKE, HEY, LIKE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S ON Y'ALL'S RADAR? LIKE HAS THIS BEEN SET UP? LIKE WHAT'S, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THIS? YEAH. 
          ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THERE? YEAH, I THINK THAT Y'ALL ARE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS ABOUT INTERPRETATION AND INTENT, AND I THINK BOTH OF THOSE QUESTIONS DESERVE THEIR OWN ANSWERS. 
          I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO PROVIDE MY INTERPRETATION OF THE INTENT EITHER, SO THAT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THAT I READ IT MAY NOT BE THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED. 
          I THINK CLARIFICATION WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO SEEK THERE SO THAT WE KNOW WITH CONFIDENCE WHAT THE INTENT WAS AND THAT WE ARE INTERPRET INTERPRETING IT CORRECTLY. 
          UM, BUT TO YOUR OTHER POINT, I HAVE STARTED THE CONVERSATION INTERNALLY JUST TO KIND OF EXPLORE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE STARTED A CALCULATION FOR EXISTING SOLAR. 
          UH, AND WHAT, IF ANY SAVINGS HAVE BEEN DERIVED FROM THAT. 
          UM, AS YOU MIGHT SYMPATHIZE WITH RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THAT CAPACITY IS SPLIT WITH THE EXISTING SOLAR AND CITY FACILITY PROJECT. 
          SO I THINK IT, IT IS A PRO, UH, IT'S IN PROGRESS AS THE CONVERSATION HAS STARTED, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETIME BEFORE WE GET A REAL CLEAR ANSWER. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS. 
          BY THE WAY, FOR YOUR READING FOR YOUR, YOUR QUICK ACTION ON THAT, I KNOW WE ONLY RAISED THIS LIKE PRETTY, PRETTY RECENTLY. 
          UM, OF COURSE, WHO SHOULD, LIKE, WHO SHOULD WE BE ASKING FOR THIS CLARIFICATION? LIKE, IS THIS TO, I MEAN, I'M SURE LIKE RYAN ALTER'S OFFICE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          LIKE, IS THIS LEGAL? LIKE WHAT, AND MAYBE KAI KNOWS TOO. 
          WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR TRACKING THAT DOWN? MY NEXT STEP IS TO REACH OUT TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SIEGEL, HE WAS THE PRIMARY AUTHOR ON THAT RESOLUTION. 
          AND, UM, TRY TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HIS INTENTION WAS. 
          YOU KNOW, MY PLAIN READING OF THE WORDS SEEMS LIKE IT DOES NOT SAY NEW SOLAR, SO I TAKE THAT TO MEAN EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS, WHICH INCLUDES EXISTING SOLAR THAT THOSE SAVINGS WOULD ACCRUE. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENTION, WHAT HIS INTENTION WAS, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. 
          MAYBE WE NEED TO GO A STEP FURTHER. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY NEXT STEP. 
          . 
          FANTASTIC. 
          UM, WELL THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE UPDATES ON THIS. 
          UH, ANY MAYBE A PAUSE ON THIS ITEM? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS FROM THE LARGER GROUP? YEAH, I HAVE A, A QUESTION. 
          UM, LIKE WHAT IS THE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS SEE AS THE INTENT OF, UH, OF THIS SPECIFICALLY? LIKE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE FUNDS ARE COMING AND THEN HOW TO USE THEM, OR LIKE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BUDGET ASK FOR THIS ONE? THIS ONE I THINK IS, THERE'S NOT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AT, AT THIS TIME. 
          I MEAN, UNLESS BRADEN COMES BACK AND SAYS LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS, THERE'S LIKE STAFF TIME. 
          LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THERE'S A COST WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THIS IS COME UP AS, AND MAYBE THIS IS AN ORGANIZATIONAL ISSUE TOO, LIKE WITH THESE REQUESTS, I, I THINK THE INTENT HERE IS LIKE TO IDENTIFY LIKE THIS IS A POT OF MONEY THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL PASSED. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN SEPARATE THAT OUT. 
          BUT LIKE, I, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO WRITE THIS AS LIKE, HEY, HERE ARE THINGS WE WANT, AND LIKE, HERE ARE SOME SOURCES OF MONEY. 
          WE THINK THIS IS A SOURCE OF MONEY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO WHAT WAS PASSED IN AUGUST WAS A RESOLUTION, AND IT'S UNCLEAR 
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WHETHER OR NOT LIKE THAT FUND HAS BEEN FORMALIZED. 
          AND I THINK DEFINITELY THERE'S A NEED FOR CLARITY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, YES, THE FUND IS FORMALLY HERE, THIS IS THE STREAM, THESE ARE THE STREAMS OF MONEY GOING INTO IT SO THAT THEN CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE CAN, YOU KNOW, START DOING THE WORK OF UTILIZING THOSE FUNDS IF INDEED THERE ARE ANY. 
          UM, BUT IF IT'S JUST A KIND OF THEORETICAL THING, THEN IT'S HARD TO ACT, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY GET CAPTURED. 
          AND IF WE THINK CATEGORICALLY THIS ISN'T QUITE THE SAME AS A BUDGET ASK, LIKE WE CAN, WE CAN CLEAN THAT UP AT THE END. 
          I THINK THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WORKING, THIS IS A WORKING DOCUMENT. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THIS, JUST TO MOVE US THROUGH THIS, UM, IS ONE THAT I HAVE CERTAINLY AUTHORED AND, UH, IN THE PAST. 
          UM, I WILL ADMIT, I'M A LITTLE BIT TORN HERE ON THIS SPECIFIC ITEM, BUT IT'S TO RECOMMEND ONE FTE TO LEAD THE ENVIRONMENTAL, ENVIRONMENTAL PREFERRED PURCHASING WITHIN THE, THE CITY. 
          SO THIS IS FOR STAFF, AN ADDITIONAL STAFF PERSON. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? NOW? I'LL JUST SHARE THAT, YOU KNOW, MY HESITATION HERE IS BOTH THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKELY THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING AT ADDING FTES IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND I ALSO THINK BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH THESE DEPARTMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF THE RELUCTANCE HERE IS, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY, OR LIKE ORGANIZATIONAL, LIKE I, I, YOU KNOW, I VIEW THAT THERE IS SOME AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, OF, OF A PERSPECTIVE COMING FROM THE PURCHASING THAT THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THERE PROBLEM TO, TO PUT IT BLUNTLY. 
          UH, AND SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I WORRY A LITTLE BIT THAT WERE WE TO GET THIS FTE, LIKE THAT PERSON MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY SET UP TO, TO BE SUCCESSFUL, UM, IN THAT THERE, THERE ISN'T SUFFICIENT BUY-IN. 
          SO, UH, BUT I WANTED TO PUT THIS TO THE GROUP. 
          YOU KNOW, KIVA'S BEEN BEEN REALLY GREAT IN SUPPORTING THIS, UM, IN THE PAST AND FUTURE AND WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE GROUP. 
          AND I, I, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, HOPEFULLY I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE RECORDING FROM, FROM THE LAST MONTHLY MEETING, AND I THINK, UH,  SUGGESTED, UH, LOOKING AT THE STAFF RESPONSE FOR OUR, UH, LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          AND IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A RESPONSE IN REGARDS TO THIS ONE. 
          AND IT SOUNDED TO ME THAT THEY WERE SAYING THAT, UH, THEY WOULD NOT RE THAT THEY DO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF TO MEET THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO WHAT WE HEAR FROM PURCHASING IS THAT, THAT THEY VIEW THAT LIKE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN IN A A R AND WHAT WE GET FROM ACAR IS THAT THEY'RE AT CAPACITY ON THIS ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS WAS ONE OF TWO POSITIONS THAT A A R ALMOST GOT, WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST, AND THEN WHEN THE TRE DID NOT PASS, IT WAS PULLED BACK. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THAT IS THE POSI WE WERE RECOMMENDING THE POSITION GO TO PURCHASING. 
          AND I PERSONALLY STILL KIND OF THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE SUSTAINABILITY ASPECT EMBEDDED IN THEIR CULTURE, JUST AS THE OTHER ASPECTS OF, YOU KNOW, PREFERENTIAL PURCHASING FOR, YOU KNOW, WOMEN IN MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ALREADY ARE DOING THINGS BEYOND JUST LIKE LOWEST BID. 
          RIGHT? UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS ONE SHOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT, BUT I ALSO WOULD RATHER SEE IT HAPPEN WITH, WITH A CAR HAVING THE STAFF CAPACITY THAN IT NOT HAPPEN AT ALL. 
          WHICH IS, I DON'T WANNA SAY NOTHING HAS HAPPENED, BUT NOT A LOT SEEMS TO HAVE HAPPENED TO, TO LACK OF CAPACITY. 
          SO I THINK THEIR RESPONSE WAS PARTIALLY ABOUT DID THEY WANNA TAKE THIS ON? AND I THINK LIKE THEY SEE THAT IF THEY HAVE THE POSITION, THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT ON, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK THEY SHOULD, BUT, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
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ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON RECOMMENDING A FTE OR THIS SPECIFIC FTEI? I HAVE A, A QUESTION, I GUESS, UM, HOW MUCH DISCUSSION, IF ANY, HAS THERE BEEN AROUND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY A, A TEMP SITUATION, A CONSULTANT SITUATION? UM, I KNOW SOMETIMES THE FTE GETS TO BE A CHALLENGING CONVERSATION TO HAVE, AND THAT'S SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SECOND, UH, LIKE A CONSOLATION. 
          AND THEN ALSO, I KNOW WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND PROBABLY STILL DO LIKE MEMBERSHIP IN A, THE SUSTAINABLE PURCHASING CONSORTIUM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, WHICH IS NOT FREE, BUT ALSO GIVES SOME ASSISTANCE IN, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT REALM FOR PURCHASING, SEEING, UM, MY TAKE IS THAT I GUESS SOMETHING WOULD BE BE BETTER THAN NOTHING, BUT THAT THE AMOUNT OF WORK IS SIGNIFICANT AND THE SCOPE IN TERMS OF DURATION IS ONGOING. 
          SO THERE IS AN IMMEDIATE NEED TO, UM, SET PURCHASING STANDARDS FOR MANY MORE TYPES OF PRODUCTS AND MATERIALS THAT THE CITY PURCHASES. 
          LIKE MANY OF THEM JUST DON'T HAVE, I THINK OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY STANDARD REALLY ATTACHED TO THEM. 
          UM, SO THAT'S LIKE PART OF ACTUALLY INTEGRATING INTO THE CITY'S PROCESS AND SYSTEM. 
          AND SO MAYBE DIFFICULT TO DO WITH A CONSULTANT, WHICH IS MORE USUALLY HELPFUL I THINK, FOR THE GATHERING OF DATA AND INFORMATION AND PRESENTING IDEAS WHERE IT'S LIKE WE NEED SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY LIKE, UM, DO THAT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          BUT THEN ALSO THAT THE EDUCATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT IT, WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE GOT IN A PRESENTATION, IT WAS A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAVE PURCHASING AUTHORIZATION AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, CREDIT CARDS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE, THERE'S JUST GONNA BE AN ONGOING NEED FOR THAT KIND OF EDUCATION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON HOPEFULLY WOULD BE, BE, TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE, UM, IN, IN DOING THAT EDUCATION. 
          SO, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'D TAKE, I WOULD TAKE A TEMP IF , IF THAT'S WHAT WE CAN GET. 
          UM, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THAT IT IS, UM, A, A, A NEED FOR A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, PROBABLY MORE THAN ONE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE IF WE'RE REALISTIC ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          I THINK SO TOO. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M HEARING ABOUT JUST THE APPETITE FOR, YOU KNOW, ADDING FTES AND THE FISCAL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN AND, AND BEING COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING. 
          UM, SO JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT ABOUT ALTERNATIVES AND ARE MAKING THE, THE, UM, THE ASK THAT WE BELIEVE ARE THE ASK THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO MAKE. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I THINK PUTTING, PUTTING FORWARD A A BUNCH OF FTE REQUESTS THIS YEAR IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD GET THE ONE, BUT WE DID COME VERY CLOSE TO GETTING THE ONE, WELL, WE CAME VERY CLOSE TO GETTING TWO LAST YEAR. 
          AND, UM, EVEN IF THEY DON'T GIVE THE ONE, UH, I DO THINK THERE IS SOMETHING FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKING ANOTHER GO AT IT. 
          I THINK WE'VE MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION TWO OR THREE TIMES SO FAR. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THAT'S HOW IT GOES. 
          YOU GOTTA KEEP ASKING A FEW TIMES. 
          I, SO LET'S, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS BUDGET BEFORE WE AGREE TO PASS IT. 
          SO I, I THINK CHARLOTTE, YOU'RE RAISING SOME OF THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A TEMP POSITION, OP OPTIONS, MAYBE ONE THAT WE SHOULD MAYBE ASK INTERNALLY, UM, AND JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT ANSWER TO LIKE, WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS JUST NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM OR, YOU KNOW YEAH. 
          GET THAT ANSWER. 
          SO I'VE, I'VE WRITTEN THAT DOWN. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON, ON THIS? UM, IF NOT, LET ME 
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RUN THROUGH THESE OTHER ONES. 
          'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOUR THOUGHTS OR FEELINGS ON RECOMMENDING AN FTE WILL DEPEND ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WOULD BE FOR. 
          SO, SO NUMBER FOUR HERE, UM, IS GOING TO BE MUCH BETTER EXPLAINED, UM, BY , BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS THAT ESSENTIALLY, UM, TODAY AUSTIN ENERGY HAS THIS SOLAR STANDARD OFFER PROGRAM FOR, UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, WHICH ALLOWS, IF I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT, IF PARTY INSTALLATIONS OF SOLAR TO HAPPEN ON YOUR, ON, ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY'S ROOFTOP WITHOUT THE PROPERTY OWNER LIKE PAYING FOR THOSE PANELS. 
          UM, SO ESSENTIALLY LIKE YOU'RE LEASING OUT YOUR ROOFTOP. 
          UM, AND THIS PROGRAM WOULD EXPAND THAT TO, TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS SUCH THAT, AND AGAIN, KAI, BUT PLEASE CUT ME OFF IF I'M WRONG HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY TO PURCHASE SOLAR PANELS TO PUT 'EM ON YOUR HOUSE. 
          YOU WOULD HAVE A THIRD PARTY WHO WOULD COME AND INSTALL THEM THEM AND MANAGE THAT SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT LIKE A RANCHER WOULD LEASE OUT THEIR LAND TO BE A SOLAR FARM OR SOMETHING. 
          KINDA A HOW BOTCHED IS THAT? NO, I THINK YOU, YOU, YOU DESCRIBED IT WELL. 
          UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS SPECIFICALLY, UM, ABOUT APPLYING INCENTIVES TO THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, AUSTIN ENERGY CURRENTLY AND DOES PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SOLAR. 
          BUT THE STANDARD OFFER MODEL, UM, THEY HAVE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, DO NOT PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE. 
          AND, UH, THE PROGRAM WAS ROLLED OUT ABOUT A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. 
          AND, UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME EARLY SUCCESS, BUT BECAUSE THE RATE FLUCTUATES, UM, IT'S I THINK NOT A, NOT A HOME RUN YET, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE RATE IS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO DECREASE NEXT MONTH. 
          UM, MEANING THAT THOSE THAT ARE, UM, BUILDING THE SOLAR OPERATING, IT WILL BE EARNING LESS AND THAT, UM, WHATEVER MAKES IT, MAKES IT MORE FINANCIALLY DIFFICULT. 
          AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMING UP ON A TIME WHEN, WHERE EVEN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UM, SOON WILL NOT, UH, GET THAT FEDERAL TAX INCENTIVES. 
          SO, UM, THIS RECOMMENDATION IS REALLY JUST SAYING IT'S ROOFTOP SOLAR. 
          WE HAVE LONG INCENTIVIZED ROOFTOP SOLAR IN THE CITY. 
          UM, THE MODEL FOR HOW TO DEPLOY ROOFTOP SOLAR NEEDS TO CHANGE, AT LEAST FOR THE MOMENT TO, TO FACE THIS NEW POLICY REALITY AT THE, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL LEVEL. 
          AND SO WE SHOULD APPLY SIMILAR INCENTIVES, YOU KNOW, FOR COMMERCIAL AND FOR FOR RESIDENTIAL THROUGH THIS OTHER MECHANISM. 
          THERE'S FUNDAMENTALLY NOT REALLY A DIFFERENCE, UM, BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT INSTALLATIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME, SAME SORT OF INSTALLATION, IT'S JUST ABOUT WHO OWNS IT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE RECOMMENDATION AS, UM, RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE INCENTIVE DOLLARS BE USED FOR THESE PROGRAMS. IS IT, DAVID, DO YOU HAVE A, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          NO, I WAS GONNA SAY IS THE IN, IS THE INCENTIVES FOR THE THIRD PARTY BUILDING, THE SORTER IN THE RESIDENCE RESIDENT, ARE YOU ASKING WHO WOULD RECEIVE THE INCENTIVE? YEAH, I THINK THAT COULD BE AN OPEN QUESTION. 
          UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR INCENTIVES, CURRENTLY IT'S A $2,500 UPFRONT, YOU KNOW, UPON COMPLETION OF THE, THE PROJECT, THE CUSTOMER GETS THAT $2,500. 
          UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S PROBABLY AN APPROPRIATE MODEL. 
          IT WOULD, UH, IT REALLY ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO OFFER UP THEIR ROOFTOP. 
          IF LIKE RIGHT AWAY YOU'RE GONNA GET $2,500 MM AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR THE SOLAR AT ALL. 
          RIGHT? AGAIN, YOU'RE KIND OF RENTING OUT THE USE OF YOUR ROOF SPACE, I THINK THE CUSTOMER COULD EXPECT TO ALSO BE GETTING A PAYMENT FROM THE THIRD PARTY. 
          MM. 
          BUT WITH THE ECONOMICS BEING DIFFICULT, THAT PAYMENT MIGHT NOT BE A LOT. 
          SO GETTING THE 2,500 UPFRONT FROM AE, I THINK WOULD GET PEOPLE OVER THE EDGE WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF INCENTIVES THAT AE CURRENTLY OFFERS. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE, UH, CAPACITY BASED UPFRONT INCENTIVES FOR THE SMALLER, UH, INSTALLATIONS AND FOR THE, UH, NON-PROFIT INSTALLATIONS. 
          BUT, BUT FOR THE MEDIUM AND LARGER SIZE, THEY'RE ALL, UH, PERFORMANCE BASED INCENTIVES. 
          SO THEY PAY OUT PER KILOWATT HOUR OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          AND IN THAT CASE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT PROBABLY THAT COULD GO TO THE, UM, TO THE DEVELOPER, TO THE OWNER OF 
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THE SYSTEM, UM, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE THOSE MORE, UM, ATTRACTIVE AS INVESTMENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGER, LARGER SYSTEMS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN ENERGY HAS SAID IS THEIR PRIMARY INTEREST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE INSTALLATIONS HAVE MOSTLY BEEN COMING IN, UM, IN THE BETWEEN 500 KILOWATTS TO, YOU KNOW, UP JUST BELOW A MEGAWATT. 
          HMM. 
          UM, YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I GUESS FOR, SO FOR RESIDENTIAL, AGAIN, SO THE, THE ACTUAL PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE WOULDN'T BE, SO THEY WOULD BE GETTING POTENTIALLY THE, THE, THE BENEFIT OF AN INCENTIVE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE GETTING, UH, THE BENEFIT OF, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SOLAR IS PRODUCING THE SAME AS WHAT THEY CONSUME, NOT PAYING THAT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          IN THIS MODEL, THE CUSTOMER, UNLESS THE CUSTOMER HAPPENS TO BE THE DEVELOPER, WHICH COULD BE THE SITUATION IN SOME LIKE LARGER COMMERCIAL SITUATIONS, BUT IN GENERAL, THE CUSTOMER IS NOT GETTING A BILL CREDIT FOR THE SOLAR. 
          THIS IS SEPARATE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROGRAM, THEY'VE ACTUALLY REQUIRED THAT THE INTERCONNECTION BE ON THE UTILITY SIDE OF THE METER, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THAT'S PROVING PROBLEMATIC IN SOME SITUATIONS. 
          WHAT AUSTIN ENERGY WAS PLANNING TO DO FOR RESIDENTIAL WAS ACTUALLY ALLOW THE INTERCONNECTION ON THE RESIDENT OR ON THE RESIDENTS ON THE CUSTOMER SIDE OF THE METER. 
          UM, AND YOU MAY REMEMBER TIM TALKING TO US ABOUT THE, UM, SOLAR FOR ALL PROGRAM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IS, IS NO MORE. 
          UM, BUT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON, TRYING TO MAKE THAT KIND OF A LINE SO THAT EVEN THOUGH THE CUSTOMER STILL WOULDN'T GET THE BILL CREDIT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT RESILIENCY THERE. 
          HMM. 
          SO OF COURSE THAT DOES REQUIRE A BATTERY, AND THAT WAS PART OF SOLAR FOR ALL IN THE STANDARD OFFER MODEL. 
          IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, INCLUDE A BAT BATTERY, BUT IT COULD. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO ALLOWING FOR THE INTERCONNECTION ON THE CUSTOMER SIDE, THEY STILL DON'T GET THE BILL CREDIT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PRETTY GOOD VALUE. 
          YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY OFFER UP THEIR ROOF JUST IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GET A BATTERY TO LIKE YEAH. 
          ESPECIALLY PARTIALLY BACK UP THEIR HOME IN AN OUTAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          LIKE, I MEAN, I THINK I SIGNED UP FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. 
          SO, UH, IS THERE A DOLLAR AMOUNT  THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY FOR THIS? I MEAN, IS LIKE, WHAT'S THE THINKING LIKE, I I'M CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          ARE WE ASKING FOR MONEY ON THIS TO IMPLEMENT THIS? I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO IDENTIFY AN AMOUNT, BECAUSE THESE INCENTIVES ARE PAID FOR FROM A FEE THAT WE ALL, WE ALL PAY ON OUR, ON OUR ELECTRIC BILL, AND THAT FEE IS ROUTINELY ADJUSTED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL OF AUSTIN ENERGY'S CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS PROGRAMS, WHICH INCLUDES SOLAR EFFICIENCY, EV UH, DEMAND RESPONSE. 
          ALL OF THOSE GET PAID FOR FROM THE FRONT. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, MOVES UP OR DOWN MOST YEARS. 
          SO I DON'T, AND UM, IT, IT, IT WOULD, ANY NUMBER THAT WE PUT IN HERE WOULD I THINK, UH, BY NATURE BE INCORRECT BECAUSE IT REALLY JUST WOULD DEPEND ON THE UPTAKE IN THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT'S OKAY IF IT'S SUPER SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO ADJUST THAT FEE, UH, THAT PER KILOWATT HOUR FEE AS NEEDED. 
          THIS IS THE, WHAT IS IT, THE, A ENERGY EFFICIENCY SERVICES FEE OR SOMETHING? YEP. 
          ENERGY EFFICIENCY SERVICES FEE, EES. 
          AND IT'S PART OF THE CUSTOMER BENEFIT CHARGE THAT WE ALL HAVE IN OUR BILL. 
          THAT CHARGE INCLUDES TWO OTHER THINGS, INCLUDING THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, UH, COLLECTION. 
          SO THAT'S TO HELP LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS WITH THEIR BILLS AND ALSO, UH, A LIGHTING FEE FOR STREET LIGHTING. 
          I MEAN, BUT THIS IS A BUDGET REQUEST, RIGHT? SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE THE SCALE OF WHAT WE THINK THIS CAN BE DONE AT? OR YOU, ARE YOU SUGGESTING LIKE, NO, WE REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S KEEP IT AT THIS. 
          UM, MY SUGGESTION 
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IS NOT TO TRY TO PUT A NUMBER ON IT. 
          I THINK WHATEVER THEY'RE BUDGETING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          I KNOW THAT BUDGETED CURRENTLY FOR RESIDENTIAL INCENTIVES, UM, I HAVE MY DOUBTS WHETHER OR THAT MONEY IS REALLY GONNA GO OUT THE DOOR FOR RESIDENTIAL INCENTIVES IF THEY DON'T ALLOW IT TO BE USED FOR OTHER MODELS OF OWNERSHIP BEYOND THE CUSTOMER BUYS A SOLAR ARRAY. 
          UM, LIKE CURRENTLY, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU ACCESS THAT MONEY IS IF YOU PURCHASE A SOLAR SYSTEM. 
          AND WITHOUT THE 30% TAX CREDIT, THAT HAS BECOME MUCH MORE CHALLENGING. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE ZERO PEOPLE, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY SIGNIFICANT DROP OFF, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE WAS A BIG UPTAKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE SECOND HALF OF 2025 AS FOLKS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE END OF THOSE, UH, TAX CREDITS. 
          SO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON THE EDGE, AND SOME OF THEM PROBABLY WOULD'VE DONE SOLAR THIS YEAR. 
          LIKE A LOT OF THEM GOT IN AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. 
          SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A SLOW, SLOW, SLOW, SLOW YEAR FOR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR, UM, IF WE, IF WE DON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE OTHER MODELS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S TO SAY THAT I THINK THE MONEY THAT THEY OTHERWISE WOULD'VE PUT TO THAT CAN KIND OF BE SHIFTED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT IS THAT? CAN YOU FIND OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? YEAH, UM, YEAH, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT THE OTHER DAY AND I, I'LL, I'LL LOOK. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY, I CAN EVEN LOOK RIGHT NOW AND PROBABLY BEFORE WE'RE DONE HERE, TELL YOU THANKS. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK FOR, FOR ME, MY PERSPECTIVE ON THESE BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE GET INTO THESE, LIKE LOWER NUMBERS, UH, SORRY, THESE, THESE LATER NUMBERS AS YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE NUMBERS I PULLED FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET IS LIKE, I THINK WE CAN ASK FOR LARGE AMOUNTS SO LONG AS WE'RE SUGGESTING WHERE IT IS COMING FROM. 
          YOU KNOW, SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT NUMBER IS LARGE, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE, WHO WANTED INSTALLATION, LIKE WHO'VE DONE THEIR INSTALLATIONS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE ANSWER IS LIKE, HEY, THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHATEVER IT IS, I THINK IF WE CAN SAY LIKE, HEY, YOU SHOULD REDIRECT THIS FI LIKE LAST YEAR'S FISCAL BUDGET TO THIS ITEM AND THIS IS THE NUMBER WE RECOMMEND. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY SOLID RECOMMENDATION PERSONALLY, AND I'LL TAKE SILENCE THERE AS COMPLETE AGREEMENT AND ASSIGN TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS ON WASTE REDUCTION AND DIVERSION. 
          UM, AND IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR A RR FUNDING ON EDUCATION, UM, AND WASTE REDUCTION STRATEGIES, FIX-IT CLINICS IS CALLED OUT HERE. 
          I ALSO MENTIONED THIS AT THE END OF THE DOCUMENT, UM, AND MENTION, AND PERHAPS LIKE THAT THE THINGS LIKE FIX-IT CLINICS ARE NOT, UH, THAT LARGE OF A BUDGET ITEM. 
          UM, APOLOGIES THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE EDUCATION AMOUNT IN HERE, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS IN A PRIOR YEAR RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN PULL WHAT, UM, THAT NUMBER IS. 
          UH, BUT UH, THE SHORT VERSION IS LIKE, WE HAVE A ZERO WASTE GOAL, WE'RE NOT THERE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, SOME OF THESE ARE LOW DOLLAR AMOUNT ITEMS THAT LIKE, EVEN IF YOU CUT THEM, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA LIKE, GET ANY CLOSER TO THE BUDGET GOALS ANYWAY, SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL KEEP THEM IN. 
          ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? WHAT'S THE QUICK QUESTION? UM, FOR SOME OF THESE ITEMS, DID THEY HAVE A BUDGET ALLOCATED TO THEM IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET DOCUMENT, BUT NOW WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THEY MAY GET ASKED? SO I CAN SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO LIKE THE FIX IT, FIX IT AND REPAIR AND LIKE THE MOVE OUT A TXI PROGRAMS, WHICH I, THEY, I THINK I WAS PULLING THIS FROM LIKE THE BUDGET RESPONSES, SO THIS MIGHT BE LIKE TWO YEARS OUT OF DATE AT THIS POINT, WHAT THE EXPENDITURES WERE. 
          UM, BUT YES TO THAT, UM, KIVA OR SOMEONE ELSE WHO I THINK AUTHORED A RECOMMENDATION ON LIKE THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS OF THIS KABI, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, WELL, I, SO BY THE WAY, I DID, I DID FIND THE NUMBER. 
          UM, SO FOR RESIDENTIAL, GOING BACK TO THE OTHER ONE, UM, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE INCENTIVE BUDGET FOR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR IS 2.5 MILLION. 
          FOR COMMERCIAL IT'S 2.75 MILLION. 
          UM, 
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BUT I WILL SAY THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS ARE, THEY'RE NOT FIRM. 
          WHEN AE GOES, WHEN THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IN ONE OF THEIR PROGRAMS WITHIN CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS, THEY DON'T CUT IT OFF. 
          THEY, AND THAT, THAT'S A CHANGE THAT HAPPENED PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING. 
          'CAUSE THEY USED TO HAVE KIND OF FIRM AMOUNTS AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THE DOLLARS ARE GONE. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS A GAP AND IT WAS, UM, NOT THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO RUN ANY OF THE PROGRAMS. SO THEY'VE THANKFULLY CHANGED THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOFT BUDGETS, I WOULD SAY. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS. 
          SO A TOTAL OF 5.25 MILLION ENVISIONED FOR SOLAR INCENTIVES, UH, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, BUT GOING TO THE WASTE REDUCTION AND DIVERSION EDUCATION, UM, SO I MEAN THIS RECOMMENDATION REALLY IS ABOUT THE EDUCATION COMPONENT FOR MULTIFAMILY AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY WE'VE DONE PAST RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND A RR THAT WE'RE MUCH MORE, UH, MUCH LOFTIER AND ACTUALLY INCLUDED ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR MORE FIX-IT CLINICS AND OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT, UM, SPECIFICALLY THE MULTIFAMILY SECTOR. 
          UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY HAVE AN INTERN WHO'S BEEN GOING AROUND TO PROPERTIES AND I THINK HE'S HIT UP MAYBE A HUNDRED SO FAR. 
          UM, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, JUST WIDESPREAD, UH, NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR RECYCLING AND COMPOSTING EVEN TO HAVE THE BINS, BUT CERTAINLY THEY'RE NOT BEING USED PROPERLY AND IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE EDUCATION, LIKE NOT EVEN BASIC SIGNAGE ON THEM. 
          UM, WE, UM, DID ACTUALLY MEET JUST TODAY WITH A COUPLE FOLKS FROM A RR AND THEY HAVE, I THINK IT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR, UM, MARKETING. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENT BUDGET, THOUGH, I'M NOT SURE THE AMOUNT FOR EDUCATION FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY THROUGH FOURPLEX RESIDENTS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT A RR ACTUALLY SERVES DIRECTLY. 
          UM, SO THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF EDUCATION. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WAS HEARING IS THE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE TO EDUCATE THE MULTIFAMILY MORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS REALLY DOES ONLY GO SO FAR WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REACHING ABOUT HALF OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY. 
          SO THIS RECOMMENDATION IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM MORE MONEY SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT EDUCATION SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO THESE SERVICES AND HOW TO USE THEM PROPERLY. 
           ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I, I GUESS ONE OTHER THING THAT MAYBE WE MAY WANNA CONSIDER INCLUDING IN THIS SUBSECTION IS, UM, SUSTAINING FUNDING LEVELS FOR ACCC. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE PROGRAM THAT HAS HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF FUNDING. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT'S KIND OF IN THE BALLPARK OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS. UM, AND IT GETS OVERLOOKED. 
          YEAH. 
          HAPPY. 
          LIKE, DO YOU WANNA DRAFT SOMETHING? SURE. 
          I THINK, YEAH, I THINK OUR, I CAN CITE THE BUDGET DOCUMENT 'CAUSE IT, THEY DID HAVE A, AN AMOUNT ALLOCATED TO THEM FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ARE WE INCLUDING HERE AND WHAT ARE WE NOT, BECAUSE I THINK THE FLOODPLAIN REFORESTATION PROGRAM ALSO HAD, UM, FUNDING ALLOCATED TO IT IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET DOCUMENT. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS LIKE, DON'T CHANGE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I MEAN, YEAH, THE, THE PROGRAM MOVED. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, BUT, UM, IT'S NO LONGER, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S NOW AT WATERSHED. 
          AT WATERSHED, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I WOULD SUGGEST BEFORE WE GET TO DRAFTING ANYTHING, WE CONNECT WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN PART THEY HAD OTHER FUNDING SOURCES FOR SOME PIECES OF THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD JUST BE GOOD TO KNOW LIKE WHAT, WHAT THE NEED IS. 
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I THINK THAT FUNDING AMOUNT, THAT KIND OF EXTRA ONE THAT WAS, UM, I THINK INITIALLY AT LEAST CONSIDERED AND MAYBE PARTIALLY PART OF IT WAS APPROVED, I THINK IN THE BUDGET. 
          I THINK THAT ALSO GOT CLAWED BACK IF ME MEMORY SERVES. 
          SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT HAPPENED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TRE RESULTS. 
          THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M, I'M PUTTING THIS IN MY BUDGET NOTES OF JUST LIKE PLACES TO DIG IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          SO MAYBE RODRIGO, CAN I PUT YOU IN CHARGE OF FOLLOWING UP MAYBE VIA KAABA WITH, UH, WATERSHED? SURE, YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AMAZING. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE MOVING ON TO CITY VEHICLE FLEET? ELECTRIFICATION? FANTASTIC. 
          SO, UM, CITY, UH, NUMBER SIX, CITY FLEET VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WAS FLAGGED IN, UH, THE CCIP REPORT THAT I BELIEVE BRADEN PRESENTED IDENTIFYING CITY, IF I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT, LIKE ELECTRIFYING CITY VEHICLES AS A CARBON, YOU KNOW, IS A NEGATIVE CARBON SAVINGS COST. 
          LIKE THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE DOLLARS PER TON OF CO2 AVOIDED IS, IS NEGATIVE. 
          AND THUS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PRETTY, UM, COST EFFECTIVE, UH, THING TO LOOK AT. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC ASK IN THIS AS YET DRAFTED. 
          SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS BEFORE, UM, THE GROUP AND JUST KIND OF PUT IN SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP. 
          UM, I PULLED, YOU KNOW, IN SUB WHATEVER, A AND B, UH, I JUST PULLED, UM, FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS, UM, PRIORITY CHARGING STATIONS. 
          UM, THERE WAS A CITY INFO RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING EXERCISE THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE RESPONSES. 
          UM, AND UH, THE NUMBERS LIKE THE, THE AMOUNT OF OF MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED HERE WAS, UH, 1,000,002 FOR LEVEL TWOS AND 3.2 MILLION FOR LEVEL THREES. 
          UM, SO LOTS OF, LOTS OF MONEY BEING ALLOCATED THERE. 
          UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR A RRI THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES, SPECIFICALLY IN THE CARBON IMPACT OF THOSE, UH, LAST FISCAL YEAR, THERE IS, UH, 1,000,007 TO REPLACE HEAVY DUTY AND LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. 
          I THINK ELECTRIFYING SOME OF THOSE PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, AND, AND LIKELY A COST SAVINGS GOING FORWARD DEPENDING ON THE SOURCE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, FOR ELECTRIFYING A TRASH TRUCK THAT IS QUITE A HEAVY INVESTMENT, BUT THERE'S OTHER EQUIPMENT POTENTIALLY IN THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN SOME ITEMS C THIS CAME FROM, UM, THE CONSUMPTION WORKING GROUP. 
          UH, LIKE WE, I THINK WE ACTUALLY GOT AN ELECTRIC MOWER LAST YEAR. 
          UM, I'M PUTTING IT IN HERE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'VE GOT OUR SUBGROUP HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UM, ALL OF THESE. 
          BUT I THINK, SO FIRST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THESE, LIKE YES, PLEASE RAISE THEM. 
          BUT MY QUESTION FOR THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE, WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THAT, MAYBE THIS IS, IF BRADEN'S STILL THERE, THAT, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE CARBON ABATEMENT COST, YOU KNOW, WAS THAT FOR ANY SPECIFICS? AND IF BRADEN IS NOT HERE, YOU KNOW, DOES ANYONE IN THE WIDER GROUP HAVE SPECIFIC REQUESTS ALONG ELECTRIFICATION, BRADEN'S COMING FORWARD? UH, THERE WAS COST PER TONE ANALYSIS CONDUCTED. 
          SO THO THOSE NUMBERS CAN BE RELIED ON. 
          UM, HAPPY TO TALK MORE TO THAT. 
          SORRY, THE QUESTION WAS NOT, ARE THOSE NUMBERS RELIABLE, BRADEN, BUT IT WAS, UM, MY APOLOGIES, BUT WAS SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, LIKE IS THIS LIKE AN ON AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE A SPECIFIC LIKE VEHICLE THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN THIS? LIKE GIVEN THAT NUMBER? YEAH, WHAT IS THE RESULTING POLICY ACTION THAT WE SHOULD BE ADVOCATING FOR? LIKE, WHICH CARS SHOULD WE BE SAYING WE NEED TO REPLACE, FOR EXAMPLE, OR HOW MANY OR THAT, THAT'S I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK, IF WE HAD PHIL HERE, I'D BE ABLE TO DIRECT THAT QUESTION TO HIM. 
          HE HELPED CALCULATE MOST OF THESE NUMBERS. 
          UM, THE INTENT OF THE NUMBER ITSELF WAS IN RESPONSE TO SIMILAR QUESTIONS WE ASKED THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS TO GET THAT INFORMATION. 
          SO IT'S NOT BROKEN DOWN IN DETAIL TO THE POINT COULD BE HELPFUL TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT THE NUMBER ITSELF REFLECTS THE DEMONSTRATED AND REQUESTED FINANCIAL NEED 
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OF, OF THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITHIN A TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME. 
          UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY A QUESTION I CAN EXPLORE A BETTER ANSWER TO OVER TIME. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY SINCE SOME OF THE WORK RE RELATED TO EDF RESEARCH AND THE REST, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER WAY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH SOME DETAIL. 
          SO LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY, AMAZING. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, I'M MAKING A NOTE THAT YEAH, WE NEED MORE TO FOLLOW UP WITH, SEE IF THERE'S SPECIFICITY THAT CAN GUIDE THIS BRADEN IN TERMS OF THE A RR, UH, THE, THE EDF FELLOW THAT REPORT, I KNOW WE GOT A PRESENTATION, WAS THERE A ANYTHING, IS THAT THE FULL REPORT OR IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? OH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          THAT WAS, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN GET A BETTER ANSWER OUTTA THAT TOO, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT WAS A FULL REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          BY THE WAY, UH, I, I SEE I DID GET A EMAIL BACK FROM, FROM RICK CARLAND AND THE FUEL SURCHARGE THAT THE CITY LEVIES ON ITSELF IS 20 CENTS PER GALLON, AND THAT GENERATES, UH, ABOUT 1.06 MILLION PER YEAR, WHICH I'M ASSUMING MEANS THAT AMOUNT IS COMING OUT OF GENERAL REVENUE IS BRADEN, DO YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T SPECIFY, BUT I'M, IT'S NOT AN ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT DOES HAVE, I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO SPEAK CONFIDENTLY. 
          IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE VISITED THOSE NUMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYWAY, THAT WAS A QUESTION THE WORKING GROUP HAD HAD. 
          SO, UM, DOES ANYONE FROM THE ELECTRIFICATION AND TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, WANNA ADVOCATE FOR ANYTHING IN THIS CATEGORY? YEAH, I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND, AND SEE SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE RECOMMENDED, BUT I THINK THERE WAS, UH, DEFINITELY ONE AROUND, UH, A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR ELECTRIFICATION. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK WE SPECIFIED THE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY THAT WE HAVE THAT WE SEE HERE IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL HOW MUCH FOR LEVEL TWO AND HOW MUCH FOR LEVEL THREE. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING IF, IF THIS IS COMING FROM AS FEEDBACK FROM, UH, FROM THE CITY ITSELF, I WOULD PROBABLY RELY ON, ON THIS. 
          UH, BUT I, I DO AGREE WITH THE FACT OF TRYING TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHICH OF THE, WHICH TYPE OF VEHICLES WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE YOU THE BEST, UH, COST BENEFIT, UH, IN TERMS OF COST PER EMISSION REDUCTION. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD, A GOOD MOVE IN LIGHT OF TRYING TO SHOW, UH, IMPROVEMENTS IN COSTS. 
          I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY TRY TO DO THAT. 
          THANKS FOR THAT. 
          I THINK THE TENSION THERE POTENTIALLY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, GENERALLY SPEAKING FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, THE HEAVIEST DUTY VEHICLES REPRESENT THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY FOR POLLUTION REDUCTION, RIGHT? HOWEVER, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE TRASH TRUCKS, THE BUSES WHERE WE TEND TO NEED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE WANNA DROP IN REPLACEMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN THE SOLUTION WE'VE PREFER, YOU KNOW, PURSUED THIS FAR. 
          I, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE SEEN PROPOSALS FOR ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN ONE FOR ONE BUS REPLACEMENTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER, SHORTER BUSES AND A SLIGHTLY MODIFIED ROUTE SCHEDULE TO ALLOW FOR LIKE FULL ELECTRIFICATION FASTER. 
          THAT'S A STRATEGY I'VE SEEN SOME, SOME FOLKS, UM, PURSUE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK WE'VE BROUGHT UP BEFORE. 
          UM, BUT, SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE TENSION HERE IS LIKE, IF WE WANNA RECOMMEND LIKE A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR TRASH TRUCK, LIKE THAT'S ONE EXPENDITURE. 
          UM, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SORRY TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S, THAT'S A CHUNK, THAT'S A SERIOUS CHUNK OF MONEY, UM, VERSUS SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS OTHER EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, THAT, THAT TAKES YOU IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          BUT IN ANY CASE, I, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A MORE GENERIC RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEP. 
          ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE, KABA OR OTHERS? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ANSWER IS HERE IN REGARDS TO THE BUDGET. 
          I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS 
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ABOUT PURCHASING VEHICLES, UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THE LANDSCAPING ONE IS CERTAINLY GONNA BE A NEED, BUT THAT PILOT IS PROBABLY BARELY GONNA BE UNDERWAY BY THE TIME. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SO I I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LONG SHOT. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ANSWER IS HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, HAPPY TO KEEP THINKING ABOUT THIS. 
          AND MAYBE JUST IN THE INTEREST OF, UM, MOVING THE DISCUSSION FORWARD. 
          UH, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I CALLED OUT AS I WENT THROUGH PAST, UM, THE, THE PAST BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE LAST FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. 
          UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL PROGRAMS THAT IDENTIFIED SOME OF WHICH NOW ARE DUPLICATIVE WITH THESE OTHER ONES. 
          UM, BUT IF WE CAN SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO THAT PARAGRAPH THAT STARTS WITH ADDITIONALLY, UM, THERE ARE A LIST OF PROGRAMS THAT I THINK WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF IN THE PAST, UH, THAT I JUST WANTED TO CALL OUT, LIKE WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS. 
          UM, AND THESE RANGE FROM SMALL TO LARGE. 
          SO THERE'S MOVE OUT A TX 15 KA YEAR, FIX IT AND REPAIR CLINICS. 
          I THINK, I THINK THESE ARE, THIS PROBABLY IS A COMBINATION OF LIKE THE FISCAL YEAR 2020, IS IT FIVE THAT WE'RE IN? AND THEN LIKE WHAT WAS REPORTED AS THE PREVIOUS ONE. 
          SO THESE MIGHT MIGHT BE A MIX OF FISCAL YEARS, BUT, UM, THESE, THIS SHOULD BE ACTUAL ALLOCATED DOLLARS. 
          UH, THE NATURAL LAND RESTORATION, WILDFIRE PREVENTION 8, 828 K, UH, FIRE AND URBAN FOREST REPLENISHMENT FUND. 
          THIS WAS A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THIS ACTUALLY GOT ADDED IN AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET, ONE OF THE LAST AMEND, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE BUDGET. 
          UM, AND I THINK DITTO WITH THE FLOODPLAIN REFORESTATION PROGRAM AS WELL. 
          SO WANTED TO ADD THOSE IN. 
          THERE IS, THESE ARE, THESE ARE, IF I DID THIS CORRECTLY, UM, THESE ARE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS THAT GOT ALLOCATED FOR THESE PROGRAMS IN THE PAST. 
          THOUGHTS ON THESE PROGRAMS, ANY HATERS OF THESE PROGRAMS? 'CAUSE LIKE CERTAINLY IF SOMEBODY'S LIKE, NO, WE SHOULD ASK THIS, LIKE, THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT THESE SEEMED WORTHY TO ME AND IN LINE WITH PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST ANY OF THESE PROGRAMS. UM, BUT UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR SOME OF 'EM. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MOVE OUT A TX AND THE FIX IT AND REPAIR CLINICS, THOSE ARE A RR PROGRAMS AND THEY'RE AN ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY HAVE A CLEAN COMMUNITIES FEE THAT AT LEAST IN THEORY, UH, COULD BE RAMPED UP EVER SO SLIGHTLY TO ACCOUNT FOR THESE VERY MINOR AMOUNTS IF THAT'S EVEN NEEDED TO ACCOUNT FOR SUCH MINOR AMOUNTS. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN IDENTIFIABLE SOURCE OF FUNDS, BUT I'M NOT SURE FOR THE, FOR THE OTHER ONES AND WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MIGHT WANNA IDENTIFY. 
          YEAH, I CAN, I CAN TRACK DOWN WHERE THE FUNDING FOR THESE CAME IN PAST YEARS. 
          UM, AND I THINK IF I'M REMEMBERING THE CORRECT BUDGET DOC, WHICH I HAVE A MILLION TABS OPEN TO TRY AND TRACK THIS DOWN. 
          'CAUSE I WAS HOPING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS LIVE, UM, RIGHT, LIKE I REMEMBER IN THE FINAL BUDGET HOSTED LIKE THE FINAL BUDGET AMENDMENTS POSTED. 
          I REMEMBER THERE'S LIKE TWO COLUMNS THAT I THINK CALLED THIS OUT. 
          SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT. 
          UM, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF KEEPING THIS MEETING MOVING, UH, THIS LAST PARAGRAPH MAYBE MORE CONTENTIOUS, WHICH IS, OKAY, WE THINK ALL THESE THINGS SHOULD HAPPEN. 
          WHERE DO WE THINK WE SHOULD CUT? AND SO, UM, OR WHERE SHOULD THE MONEY FOR THESE THINGS COME FROM TO, TO BE CLEAR? UM, AND SO I LISTED, UH, POTS OF MONEY THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY TURN TO IF I WERE ATTEMPTING TO DELIVER A BALANCED BUDGET. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE STRATEGY MIGHT BE TO SIMPLY SAY, HEY, LIKE WE THINK THAT THE, ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS COULD TAKE A, YOU KNOW, A HAIRCUT, UM, AND RECOMMEND WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          THINK THE OTHER APPROACH IS TO SAY, HEY, WE THINK YOU CAN FUND SOME OF THESE THINGS WITH EXISTING POTS OF MONEY, LIKE KI OF SUGGESTING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SOLAR. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS A LIST OF SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, 
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SOME OF THESE I THINK, MAYBE ARE DUPLICATIVE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOME OF THESE, LIKE AE PROGRAMS OR, AND FEES ARE PROPERLY CALLED. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I DO THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO BE REQUESTING NEW THINGS AS OPPOSED TO MAINTENANCE OF OLD THINGS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BEHOOVE US TO SUGGEST SPECIFIC REDUCTIONS OR WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE REDUCTIONS WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE I THINK REDUCTIONS WILL HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT US. 
          AND SO I THINK IF WE CAN SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, LET'S BE SMART ABOUT THIS. 
          LET'S PULL THIS HERE, LET'S MOVE THAT HERE. 
          I THINK THAT MAKES IT PERHAPS LIKELIER TO GO THROUGH, BUT MAYBE THAT POLITICAL CALCULUS IS WRONG. 
          UM, AND THEN I WILL SHARE SORT OF LIKE THE LAST THREE ON THIS. 
          UM, THIS IS MY THINGS THAT I HAVE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HEARD THAT I THINK, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PERSONALLY IDENTIFY FOR REDIRECTING, UM, IN A BUDGET CONSTRAINED SCENARIO. 
          UM, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S EVERYONE'S GONNA HAVE CONTROL OVER, BUT YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE CARBON CREDIT EXPENDITURES, UM, I FORGET WHAT, I FORGET WHAT THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS. 
          THIS MIGHT BE INCORRECT. 
          UM, THERE WERE ALSO ZERO WASTE BUSINESS INCENTIVES AND, AND REBATES THAT I BELIEVE WERE UNDERUTILIZED. 
          THIS WAS LIKE A TINY, TINY POT OF MONEY. 
          BUT, UM, EVEN AS A, YOU KNOW, ZERO WASTE ADVOCATE, I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE THAT THE AX FOR, FOR THIS GO ROUND BECAUSE I THINK THIS COULD BE MORE EFFICIENTLY SPENT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY THIS CAME UP AND I PUT THIS ON HERE, BUT ANYWAYS, THERE'S A LANDSCAPE CONVERSION REBATE THAT ALSO I THINK IS UNDERUTILIZED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY MY THINKING IS THAT IN A BUDGET CONSTRAINED YEAR TO SAY, HEY, IF A PROGRAM IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T THINK A PROGRAM IS REALLY BEING USED TO ITS MAX, UM, EVEN IF WE THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL OF THAT PROGRAM IS IDEAL, THEN, THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD SUGGEST AS A, A, A SOURCE TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS. SO I WANTED TO PUT THIS ONE FOR A DISCUSSION. 
          I, DR. SCOTT, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT OTHER THAN TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO PUT THOSE OUT THERE. 
          UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN AND WE, WE GOTTA TURN OVER A LOT OF STONES, SO I APPRECIATE THE, THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO TO FINDING THOSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DAVIS. 
          AND ALSO, UM, I'M DISAPPOINTED NOBODY'S TAKING LIKE THE RAGE BAIT ON ON THIS ONE. 
          UM, , YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY REWRITE SOME OF THESE. 
          ANY ANYONE ELSE HAVE I COME AT ANYBODY'S LIKE FAVORITE REBATE PROGRAM IN THIS? I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE LAST SET OF BULLET POINTS OR, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE THINKING HERE IS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN IDENTIFY POTS OF MONEY THAT EXIST THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, I'M GUESSING AE SERVICES FEES ARE PROBABLY GOING UP BECAUSE LIKE ENERGY COSTS GO UP. 
          UM, BUT I'M ALSO SUGGESTING WE MAY WANT TO SUGGEST PROGRAMS TO CUT. 
          YEAH, SO I MEAN I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I MEAN, I GUESS THE CARBON CREDITS, THAT COULD BE A THING TO CUT CERTAINLY NO OBJECTION FROM ME ON THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE HEARTBURN ABOUT CUTTING ENTIRELY THE BUSINESS INCENTIVES, UH, PROGRAM. 
          BUT IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM JUST TO ALLOCATE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE LIKELY TO USE FOR THE LIKE THREE BUSINESSES THAT ACTUALLY UTILIZE THE PROGRAM . 
          UM, WHICH IS SAD THE PROGRAM NEEDS FOR RAMPING. 
          UM, WITH THE AUSTIN WATER, I GUESS MY COMMENT WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE PERTAINING TO AUSTIN WATER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, CUTTING, CUTTING WOULDN'T GET US ANYTHING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEY'RE ENTERPRISE SO THAT MONEY ISN'T GONNA GO INTO SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTAL PROGRAM. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FAIR. 
          UH, YEAH, ANNA, I GUESS ON THAT WAS WITH THE AUSTIN WATER CONVERSION, IT'S, YEAH, IT WAS SUCH A SUGGESTION, BUT IT WAS ALSO WITH THE THOUGHT THAT THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE RESTRUCTURED BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A, IT'S NOT USED BECAUSE IT'S, YOU DON'T GET MUCH MONEY. 
          AND SO AGAIN, RE REMOVING THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE IT WAS MORE MONEY SO THAT THEY 
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CAN RESTRUCTURE IT. 
          SO IT'S LIKE A TWO-PARTER. 
          SO I COULD SEE IN A BUDGET CONSTRAINT, YOU KNOW, YEAR THAT NIXON, THIS IS TOTALLY FINE BECAUSE OTHER THINGS WAS GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THIS INCENTIVE TO REALLY TAKE OFF ANYWAYS TOO. 
          SO ALTHOUGH THAT COULD BE A, UM, I MEAN MY KIND OF THINKING IS LIKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENTS ARE WHERE WE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET A WIN. 
          IT'S GENERAL REVENUE FUNDING THAT IS GONNA BE SCARCE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT THE LAST  WHATEVER THE LAST TIME WE RECOMMENDED IT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT DOESN'T AFFECT GENERAL REVENUE. 
          SO WE COULD RECYCLE THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          I THINK IT'S STILL A VALID ONE. 
          LIKE YEAH, THEY'VE GOT THIS MONEY, BUT IT'S NOT GOING OUT THE DOOR. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO MOVE THE NEEDLE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK MAYBE ONE TAKEAWAY THERE FROM YOUR Y'S COMMENTS IS WE COULD REWRITE THIS DOCUMENT AND SPLIT IT IN TWO, LIKE ENTERPRISE AND NON AND, AND NON-ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENTS. 
          I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE TAKE FURTHER EDITING OFFLINE, UM, SINCE I THINK WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS TODAY, RIGHT? ANNA? SO, OR I DON'T THINK SO. 
          OKAY. 
          WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE RECONVENE? I THINK WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I AM AWARE OF THE TIME AND THAT WE STILL HAVE A FEW AGENDA ITEMS TO GET THROUGH IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU OR DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT? OKAY. 
          NOPE. 
          UNLESS ANYONE ELSE NEEDS TO, LET'S TABLE IT AND I'LL REACH BACK OUT TO THE GROUP WHO'S, WHO'S RAISED THEIR HANDS AND HELP WITH THIS AND TRY AND HOPEFULLY AVOID ANOTHER ROUND OF SCHEDULING AND MAYBE RESUME THIS OFFLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE SCHEDULING IS JUST PART OF THE FUN, RIGHT? UM, SO 
          [5. Approve a recommendation related to climate and sustainability in the 2026 bond. ]
NEXT UP WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE 2026 BOND. 
          UM, CAN WE GET THAT ONE UP ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? THIS IS ITEM FIVE AND I THINK ACCIDENTALLY THERE WERE TWO ITEM FIVES, BUT I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS MISLABELED. 
          YEAH, BUT THIS IS THE CORRECT ONE FOR THIS ITEM. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS HERE IN THE WAREHOUSES. 
          UM, IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM, THEN CERTAINLY WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DISCUSS. 
          UM, AND I SHOULD SAY THAT THERE, THERE WAS A, JUST LIKE WITH THE BUDGET, THERE WAS A GROUP OF US THAT, THAT DID WORK ON THIS. 
          AND SO THANKS TO THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THIS DOCUMENT, I DO THINK THAT IT WAS IMPROVED AND RIGHT AWAY, I'M SEEING A TYPO RIGHT THERE. 
          AND NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE THE, THE, UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN CLEAN THAT UP. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, BOND ADVI BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE IS MOVING THROUGH ITS PROCESS AND IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS WILL BE FINALIZING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR, FOR PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION IN TERMS OF BOND ITEMS. AND, UM, THAT BODY HAS ALREADY RECEIVED, I THINK, A COUPLE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FROM OTHER CITY COMMISSIONS. 
          SO I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, SINCE PART OF THAT BOND PROCESS EXPLICITLY DID CALL FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR CLIMATE TO BE PART OF, PART OF THE BOND FOR CLIMATE ITEMS, CLIMATE, UH, POLLUTION REDUCTION KIND OF ITEMS TO BE PART OF IT, THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO WEIGH IN AS WELL. 
          UM, THAT BODY NOTWITHSTANDING, UM, SO THERE'S A FEW ITEMS HERE YOU CAN SEE. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS JUST KIND OF TOP LINE. 
          THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION, UM, AT THE TASK FORCE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GONNA BE A CARBON NEUTRAL BOND, IS IT GONNA BE A CARBON NEGATIVE? AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY ABOUT LIKE KIND OF THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MIGHT BE FUNDED FROM THE BOND, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATE OUTPUT AND CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE TEAM DID DO SOME LIFECYCLE, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS ANALYSIS THAT THAT GIVES US SOME, SOME DATA TO WORK WITH. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT IT BE CARBON NEUTRAL OR CARBON NEGATIVE. 
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WE COULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT IT BE ONE ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, EITHER CARBON NEUTRAL OR CARBON NEGATIVE. 
          SO, UM, WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FOLKS' THOUGHTS ON WHAT THE APPROPRIATE TARGET IS THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS REALLY ABOUT, UM, I THINK KIND OF TIES IN TO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT, THAT BRADEN UH, MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW THE STANDARD FOR THE CITY IS THAT THE NEW BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE LEAD SILVER CERTIFIED. 
          UM, BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH LEAD, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          YOU GET POINTS FOR DOING DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, AND UH, SO WE'VE SEEN A PRETTY WIDE UH, ARRAY OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DESIGN FOCUS, UM, WITH AUSTIN PUBLIC LIBRARIES BEING ON THE FAR END OF THE LEG SPECTRUM. 
          UM, REALLY MAXIMIZING THE USE OF ALL THE SUSTAINABILITY FEATURES TO REDUCE LIFECYCLE CARBON. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SO THIS RECOMMENDATION IS REALLY JUST TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UP THAT GAME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO MORE WHERE A PL ALREADY IS. 
          AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE CENTRAL LIBRARY, YOU'LL, YOU'LL KNOW THAT THAT BUILDING REALLY WAS, WAS BUILT TO A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD, UM, THAN, YOU KNOW, THAN JUST LEAD SILVER WOULD REQUIRE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF ABOUT REDUCING THE IMPACT OF EVEN THOSE ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE ON THE BOND THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF AS CLIMATE ITEMS LIKE A LIBRARY, UM, OR HEALTH CENTER, WHATEVER. 
          BUT, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, AS WE BUILD THINGS AS A CITY, JUST REDUCING THE, THE IMPACT OF, OF BUILDING SOMETHING. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, OR THE THIRD ONE RATHER, UM, IS FOCUSED ON ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND, UH, PUBLIC TRANSIT ITEMS. UH, THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF, OR LARGE QUANTITY AND NUMBER OF ITEMS REQUESTED BY TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UM, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE THESE VARIOUS ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND KIND OF, I'LL SAY, UM, THE THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO, TO, UH, PUBLIC TRANSIT ARE KIND OF LIKE PUBLIC TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE ITEMS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CAP METRO, BUT THE CITY DOES THINGS LIKE THE BUS LANES AND GETTING THE SIGNALING AND ALL THAT. 
          SO THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS HERE, UM, ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY DO HAVE A REDUCTION IN GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, EMISSIONS OVERALL AND ALIGN WITH THE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN. 
          AND THEN, UM, NUMBER FOUR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, ELECTRIFICATION AND I'M SURE YOU'LL HOPEFULLY NOTICED ON, ON BRADEN'S. 
          UM, I THINK IT WAS ON BRADEN'S, UH, SLIDES. 
          THE, UM, ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS WE HAD TODAY HAD THE COST-EFFECTIVENESS, RIGHT? AND OVER ON THE, ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE OF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE IS VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION. 
          AND WHILE THE BONDS ARE NOT GONNA BE USED FOR PURCHASING ELECTRIC VEHICLES, UH, A BOND CAN BE USED FOR, UH, DEPLOYING CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT NEED, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT HEAVY DUTY DUTY SECTOR. 
          AS YOU ALLALL MAY RECALL FROM THE, THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT FROM NIAA ABOUT THE A RR FLEET. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT, UH, RECOMMENDING IT AS A PRIMARY SOURCE FOR MEETING THE GOAL OF BEING CARBON NEUTRAL OR CARBON NEGATIVE OVERALL IN THE BOND PACKAGE. 
          UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OTHER STRATEGIES THAT YOU REDUCE EMISSIONS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED. 
          UM, THE ITEMS IN NUMBER THREE, THEY DO REDUCE EMISSIONS, BUT AT A MUCH HIGHER COST PER TON. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, STRATEGY OR ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ON THE, UM, ON THE LIST IS, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE, UH, LAND ACQUISITION. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THE COST PER TON IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. 
          SO, UM, THE VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION AND, AND PROVIDING, UH, BOND FUNDING FOR A MUCH MORE ROBUST ROLLOUT OF THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK IS, IS ONE OF, WELL, IT IS, IT IS ACCORDING , ACCORDING TO THE, THE, OUR CITY STAFF, THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY, UM, TO USE BOND DOLLARS TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          SO RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BE A PRIMARY STRATEGY, I 
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SO WOULD LOVE FEEDBACK ON THESE ITEMS. BUT ALSO THIS IS ONE THAT I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN GET TO A VOTE TO ON TONIGHT, JUST TO BE TIMELY TO THAT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          SHOULD WE, UM, IN THAT FOURTH ONE, LAST ONE, SHOULD WE, UH, SPECIFY THAT IT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS IT'S MORE GENERAL TO ENABLE ELECTRIFICATION. 
          UM, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING. 
          YEAH. 
          LET ME, YEAH. 
          SUFFICIENT. 
          MAYBE YOU SHOULD SAY SUFFICIENT FUNDING FOR, UM, CHARGING STATION. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR, FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING. 
          YEAH. 
          ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          I'M GONNA PULL UP MY WORD VERSION OF THIS SO I CAN MAKE EDITS. 
          OTHER FEEDBACK. 
          I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY ONLINE VERY WELL, SO FEEL FREE TO SPEAK UP IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE A THOUGHT ON, UM, NUMBER ONE THERE, LIKE WHAT WE SHOULD BE RECOMMENDING AS A BODY? ARE WE, DO FOLKS FEEL GOOD ABOUT SAYING EITHER CARBON NEUTRAL OR CARBON NEGATIVE, OR HAVE AN OPINION THAT IT SHOULD AIM FOR ONE OR THE OTHER? PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE THINGS TO BE CARBON NEGATIVE. 
          'CAUSE TO ME, CARBON NEUTRAL IMPLIES THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE LIKE CREDITS OR SOMETHING. 
          I JUST ASSOCIATE THAT WORD CARBON NEUTRALITY WITH CREDITS, WHICH AS PER OUR LAST DISCUSSION, I'M NOT SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, IN THIS BUDGET ENVIRONMENT. 
          BUT THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          THANKFULLY, I DON'T THINK THE BOND FUNDING CAN BUY OFFSETS. 
          SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS, . 
          BUT NEVERTHELESS, I HEAR YOU. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE A, A VOTE IN FAVOR OF CARBON CARBON NEGATIVE. 
          I WOULD ECHO THAT. 
          I, I THINK THAT I'LL JUST OFFER AN, UM, AN ALTERNATE VIEW, WHICH IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARBON NEUTRAL AND CARBON NEGATIVE CAN BE JUST INFINITESIMAL, RIGHT? , I MEAN, THERE, WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY NUMBERS ON HOW NEGATIVE IT WOULD NEED TO BE, RIGHT? JUST SAYING CARBON NEGATIVE, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT, IT, CARBON, CARBON NEGATIVE FEELS, UM, IT FEELS VERY CONSTRAINED. 
          UM, AND I'M SORT OF PROCESSING THIS OUT LOUD, SO I MAY TALK MYSELF OUT OF IT WHILE I'M TALKING. 
          , I KNOW WE NEED TO GET TO, UH, WE NEED TO GET TO ZERO FASTER. 
          UM, AND I GUESS IT DOESN'T HURT TO RECOMMEND THAT THAT EVERYTHING BE CARBON NEGATIVE. 
          UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD JUST BE, DO WE, DO WE FEEL IT'S ATTAINABLE? SO I THINK IT DEFINITELY IS ATTAINABLE AS A PACKAGE. 
          UM, SO THE INTENTION WOULD NOT BE THAT EVERY ITEM THAT MIGHT BE ON THE BALLOT WOULD BE CARBON NEUTRAL OR NEGATIVE, BUT THAT AS A PACKAGE, I THINK I LIKE THAT. 
          AND I DIDN'T MAKE THAT DISTINCTION WHEN I READ THAT. 
          SO MAYBE WE MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLICIT. 
          SO MAYBE AFTER NEGATIVE, I COULD JUST SAY AS A PACKAGE MM-HMM . 
          AND, OR IN TOTAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          IN TOTAL. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I MOVED TO AMEND, I JUST DID THAT PARLIAMENTARY TRAINING. 
          OH, WE, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR FIRST BEFORE WE CAN AMEND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE THAT THEY CAN 
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MOVE TO ADOPT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT A MOTION. 
          SECOND. 
          I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          NOW, CHARLOTTE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, I, I MOVE THAT WE AMEND THE FIRST, UH, THEREFORE BE RESOLVED CLAUSE TO THAT, THE ONLY ONE, THE COLLECTION OF BOND PROPOSALS PUT FORWARD TO VOTERS IN 2026 B CARBON NEGATIVE IN TOTAL. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ACTUALLY, DO WE, I GUESS WE NEED A SECOND. 
          DO, DOES ANYBODY WANNA, WELL, YOU COULD JUST ASK ANYBODY OBJECTS. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          DOES ANYBODY OBJECT TO THE, THOSE THAT AMENDMENT AS STATED BY CHARLOTTE? OKAY. 
          SO AMENDED. 
          SO NUMBER ONE NOW READS THAT THE COLLECTION OF BOND PROPOSALS PUT FORWARD TO VOTERS IN 2026 BE CARBON NEGATIVE IN TOTAL SEMI. 
          AND, AND I'M ALSO GOING TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND NUMBER FOUR UNDER BE A RESOLVED TO ADD THE WORDS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER THE WORD FUNDING, SO THAT IT WILL READ THAT SUFFICIENT FUNDING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE BE OR TO ENABLE ELECTRIFICATION OF CITY OF AUSTIN HEAVY DUTY FLEET VEHICLES, INCLUDING AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY, REFUSE TRUCKS BE PRIORITIZED AS A PRIMARY STRATEGY TO REDUCE THE CARBON IMPACT OF THE BOND PACKAGE AS A WHOLE AND ELIMINATE HARMFUL AIR POLLUTANTS AFFECTING THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF COMMUNITIES. 
          AND AS I'M READING THIS, I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD SPECIFICALLY, IF, IF IT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO HEAVY DUTY OR IF WE SHOULD JUST SAY CHARGING, MAYBE PRIORITIZING HEAVY DUTY. 
          SO I'M GONNA RETRACT MY MOTION AND ASK FOR SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          YEAH, I LIKE, I LIKE THE PRIORITIZING. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND NUMBER FOUR TO READ THAT SUFFICIENT FUNDING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENABLE ELECTRIFICATION OF CITY OF AUSTIN VEHICLES WITH A PRIORITY ON HEAVY DUTY VEHICLE FLEET VEHICLES SUCH AS AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY, REFUSE TRUCKS BE PRIORITIZED AS A PRIMARY STRATEGY TO REDUCE THE CARBON IMPACT OF THE BOND PACKAGE AS A WHOLE AND ELIMINATE HARMFUL AIR POLLUTANTS AFFECTING THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF COMMUNITIES. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT AMENDMENT? OKAY. 
          SO AMENDED OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DIANA, JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, UM, YOUR CAMERA'S NOT ON. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED. 
          THANKS FOR EVERYBODY WHO HELPED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          NEXT UP, 
          [6. Approve a recommendation related to Gas Conservation Programs. ]
UH, CHARLOTTE HAS BROUGHT US, UH, ANOTHER RESOLUTION THAT I THINK WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT, OR SHE GAVE US AN UPDATE ON AT OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT THE, UH, TEXAS GAS CONSERVATION PROGRAMS. YES. 
          UM, CAN WE BRING THAT RECOMMENDATION UP ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE? YEAH. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WOW, CHARLOTTE, YOU EVEN USED THE, THE NEW LOGO. 
          I HAVE  I HAVING TO EMBRACE IT. 
          TRYING TO EMBRACE IT. 
          , THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          YES. 
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UM, SO LAST TIME I BROUGHT FORTH A RECOMMENDATION ON METHANE LEAK DETECTION AND REPAIR, UM, WHICH WAS ONE OF, UH, MANY RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN A PACKAGE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION RELATED TO THE TEXAS GAS UTILITY FRANCHISE. 
          UM, IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME THAT THIS WAS ALSO A VERY RELEVANT, UH, PROVISION FOR THIS COMMITTEE, UM, HAVING TO DO WITH THE, WITH THE GAS COMPANY'S CONSERVATION, ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS. SO, UM, BY WAY OF A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, TEXAS GAS SERVICE, UH, USED TO SPEND AROUND TWO OR $3 MILLION, UM, ON THEIR ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS. AND I USE THAT TERM A LITTLE LOOSELY. 
          UM, IT CONSISTED PRIMARILY OF REBATES FOR GAS APPLIANCES, INCLUDING, UH, DRYERS, UH, WATER HEATERS, FURNACES THAT, UH, REALLY DID NOT PAY OUT IN TERMS OF, UM, THE ENERGY SAVINGS OVER THE LIFE OF THE, OF THE APPLIANCE. 
          AND REALLY SERVED MORE AS A WAY TO, UM, IN INCENTIVIZE THE, THE PURCHASE OF GAS APPLIANCES. 
          UM, THEY DID HAVE SOME, UH, ENERGY SAVINGS PROGRAMS THAT THEY RAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH AUSTIN ENERGY, UM, LIKE DUCK CEILING PROGRAMS, WHICH ACTUALLY DID SAVE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF ENERGY. 
          BUT AS PART OF THEIR PACKAGE IN 2025, THEY ELIMINATED, UM, THOSE, THOSE PROGRAMS. AND THEN LATE LAST YEAR, THE RAILROAD COMMISSION ACTUALLY REJECTED THEIR PROPOSED ENERGY SAVINGS OR ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS. SO RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO CONSERVATION PROGRAMS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE RMC WAS THAT, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY ALREADY HAS PRETTY ROBUST, UH, CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, UM, FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, FOR BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS, DUCT CEILING, WEATHER STRIPPING, INSULATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY ALSO SERVE LARGELY, UH, THE, THE SAME CUSTOMERS AS TEXAS GAS. 
          SO THERE'S HUGE OVERLAP BETWEEN AUSTIN ENERGY CUSTOMERS AND, AND TEXAS GAS. 
          UM, AND SO GIVEN THEIR EXPERIENCE, UH, IN, UH, DOING THOSE, THOSE PROGRAMS, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY CONSIDER, UM, TAKING OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE GAS CONSERVATION PROGRAMS. UM, THE MOST OBVIOUS PLACE TO PUT THAT WOULD BE WITH AUSTIN ENERGY. 
          UM, THERE IS SOME PRECEDENT FOR THAT BACK IN, I WANNA SAY 1987 TO 1997, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY DID MANAGE, UH, THIS, A PROGRAM LIKE THAT WITH, WITH FUNDS FROM, UH, THE GAS COMPANY. 
          THE WAY THIS WOULD BE FUNDED WOULD BE, UH, BY EITHER AN INCREASED FRANCHISE FEE OR A BILL RIDER, UM, THAT REPLACES THE CONSERVATION ADJUSTMENT CHARGE ON THE TEXAS GAS, UH, BILL. 
          SO, UM, THAT IN A, IS IN A NUTSHELL, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, ENTAILS. 
          I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE BULLET POINT ON, ON THAT SECOND PAGE, WHICH SAYS THAT ANY MONEY THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED BUT NOT SPENT, UM, OR EQUIPMENT FROM THE LEGACY TEXAS GAS SERVICE PROGRAM SHOULD BE TRANSFERRED, UM, TO THE CITY TO CONTINUE OPERATION OF THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL. 
          ESSENTIALLY THIS WAS LIFTED FROM THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE RMC PASSED UNANIMOUSLY IN THE JANUARY, UM, MEETING. 
          AND I OFFER IT TO YOU ESTEEMED BODY. 
          UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION HERE, I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL. 
          I DO HAVE A, A THOUGHT ON A POSSIBLE AMENDMENT, BUT TO START THAT SECOND OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK THIS IS GREAT, CHARLOTTE. 
          UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE THE, HOPEFULLY THE INTENTION OF THE CITY THAT, UM, SUCH PROGRAMS WOULD ACTUALLY BE FOCUSED ON, UH, A REDUCTION IN THE VOLUME OF GAS SOLD OR VOLUME OF GAS USED BY CUSTOMERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE RMC HAS TAKEN UP IN IN PAST ITERATIONS, UM MM-HMM . 
          AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ADDED AS A BULLET. 
          SO I'M GONNA, UH, YEAH. 
          MAKE A MOTION FOR, FOR AN AMENDMENT JUST TO SAY, UM, ANY SUCH CONSERVATION PROGRAMS RUN BY THE CITY 
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SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE STATED PURPOSE OF REDUCING, UH, REDUCING CONSUMPTION OF NATURAL GAS FROM THE CURRENT VOLUME. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND MAYBE REDUCING CONSUMPTION OF NATURAL GAS BY CITY OF AUSTIN CUSTOMERS FROM THE CURRENT VOLUME. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE LIKE I WOULD, I WOULD ADD TOTAL CONSUMPTION, JUST SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT'S NOT EFFICIENCY, THAT IT'S TOTAL. 
          YES, I LIKE THAT. 
          SO, REDUCED TOTAL CONSUMPTION OF NATURAL GAS BY CITY OF AUSTIN, TEXAS GAS CUSTOMERS COMPARED TO THE CURRENT AMOUNT. 
          UM, I AM ATTEMPTING TO CAPTURE THAT NOW. 
          ANY SUCH CONSERVATION PROGRAM BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN SHOULD HAVE THE GOAL OF REDUCING NATURAL GAS CONSUMPTION BY TEXAS GAS CUSTOMERS. 
          I THINK, I THINK, UH, CHRIS YOU WERE SAYING REDUCING TOTAL NATURAL GAS CONSUMPTION BY AUSTIN, I GUESS BY AUSTIN, TEXAS GAS CUSTOMERS COMPARED TO THE CURRENT AMOUNT. 
          IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE MOST ELEGANT WAY TO SAY IT, BUT, BUT YOU GET THE VIBES  BASICALLY NOT DO WHAT THE OLD PROGRAMS DID, WHICH WAS LIKE THIS WHOLE, LIKE MATHEMATICAL, LIKE DEEMED SAVINGS THAT LIKE, ACTUALLY RESULTED IN MORE GAS BEING USED THAN IT OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY SUCH CONSERVATION PROGRAM BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN SHOULD HAVE THE GOAL OF REDUCING TOTAL NATURAL GAS CONSUMPTION BY AUSTIN, TEXAS GAS CUSTOMERS COMPARED TO CURRENT LEVELS. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK YOU MAYBE NEED THE WORD RUN UPFRONT. 
          ANY SUCH PROGRAM RUN BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN OR OPERATED, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEP. 
          ANY SUCH CONSERVATION PROGRAM OPERATED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN SHOULD HAVE THE GOAL OF REDUCING TOTAL NATURAL GAS CONSUMPTION BY TECH AUSTIN, TEXAS GAS CU CUSTOMERS COMPARED TO CURRENT LEVELS. 
          OR MAYBE IT'S TEXAS GAS CUSTOMERS IN AUSTIN. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH, I LIKE THAT. 
          BETTER. 
          BETTER. 
          UM, SO I THINK KABA, YOU MOVED TO, UH, ADD THAT, UH, BULLET POINT UNDER THIS RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT I JUST READ. 
          ANY SUCH CONSERVATION PROGRAM OPERATED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN SHOULD HAVE THE GOAL OF REDUCING TOTAL NATURAL GAS CONSUMPTION BY TEXAS GAS CUSTOMERS IN AUSTIN COMPARED TO CURRENT LEVELS. 
          YES. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT? UH, YEAH. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? OKAY. 
          UH, ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED. 
          WHAT QUESTIONS DO, DO COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE? IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY? WE CAN, WE CAN VOTE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU GOOD WITH THAT, CHARLOTTE? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR. 
          THIS IS TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AS A WHOLE, AS AMENDED. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND, DIANA. 
          WE CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE RESOLUTION HAS PASSED. 
          NOW WE CAN SEE DIANA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WE HAVE COMPLETED THOSE ACTION ITEMS. WE HAVE TWO 
          [7. Update regarding Austin Water’s Emergency Management; and Q4 report on Water  Management Strategy Implementation – Chris Maxwell-Gaines, Water and Wastewater  Commission. ]
UPDATES. 
          UH, THE FIRST IS FROM CHRIS MAXWELL GAINES ON AUSTIN WATER STUFF. 
          THANK YOU, KABA. 
          SO THIS MONTH, UH, WE WERE GIVEN TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT I THOUGHT WAS, UH, WOULD BE INFORMATIVE FOR THE JSC, SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE THEM. 
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AND THE FIRST ONE WAS, UM, OVER THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND PREPAREDNESS, UM, OF AUSTIN WATER. 
          UM, AND SO BASICALLY THEY HAVE 'EM, IT'S LIKE DIVIDED UP, I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, BUT THEY HAVE A, UH, CONTINUOUS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, SYSTEM. 
          AND, UH, IN PART OF THAT, UH, SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT AUSTIN WATER IS GOING THROUGH TO PREPARE FOR ANY SORT OF EMERGENCY THAT MAY COME AROUND. 
          AND, UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S VERY SOPHISTICATED THE WAY THAT THEY LAID US OUT. 
          AND, UH, AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE, THE MOST BASIC PART OF IT IS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT BRINGS ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER. 
          SO THEY USE A PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE, UH, VOC SOFTWARE. 
          UM, AND MOST OF THE STAFF FROM AUSTIN WATER IS TRAINED IN THIS SOFTWARE TO USE IT. 
          UH, THE SOFTWARE IS USED FOR DAILY REPORTING. 
          IT PLUGS INTO THE CITY'S, UH, EMERGENCY, UH, SOFTWARE SYSTEM. 
          SO ALL THAT INFORMATION FROM AUSTIN WATER CAN GET PASSED INTO THE, THE, THE BROADER, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE, UM, CITY. 
          UM, WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT THEY HOLD MULTIPLE TABLETOP EXERCISES, UM, FOR EMERGENCIES. 
          SO THESE ARE THINGS LIKE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GET TOGETHER AND THEY HAVE THEIR SYSTEMS ALL GO IN AND THEN THEY GO, OKAY, A STORM IS ROLLING IN AND POWER TO THIS PART OF THE CITY GOES DOWN. 
          SO NOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FOUR LIFT STATIONS THAT NEED TO BE POWERED. 
          HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, ADJUST FOR THAT? HOW DO WE GET GENERATORS OVER THERE AND, AND THAT PROTOCOL? SO IT'S JUST A, A ROLE PLAYING EXERCISES. 
          UM, SO THEY DO THAT SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR, UH, WHICH IS HELD IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST AUSTIN WATER, BUT AUSTIN ENERGY WATERSHED, WHICHEVER DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, THEY ALSO HAVE MONTHLY EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION, LIFE SAFETY PLAN, SHELTER IN PLACE, AND EMERGENCY EVACUATION DRILLS, UM, UH, CONDUCTED THROUGHOUT THEIR SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND SO IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT AN EMERGENCY LIKE THIS. 
          SO IT'S INTERESTING. 
          SO THEY HAVE A, UH, INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM, WHICH CONSISTS OF THREE ROTATING SHIFTS DURING EMERGENCY ACTIVATIONS. 
          UM, THAT DESIGNATED STAFF ARE ACTUALLY ON CALL 24 7, YOU KNOW, DURING, UH, NORMAL OPERATIONS. 
          BUT BASICALLY, UH, THEY HAVE 34 POSITIONS IN THIS INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM, WHICH IS FILLED BY 196 TRAINED STAFF. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THESE ROTATING. 
          AND SO IF AN EMERGENCY IS GOING ON FOR MULTIPLE DAYS, AND THERE HAS TO BE PEOPLE STAFF AROUND THE CLOCK, SO THEY HAVE THE STAFF SET UP WHERE THEY'RE ROTATING, UM, THROUGH THAT, UH, THROUGH THOSE POSITIONS. 
          UM, THEN AFTER THAT, THEY, THEY KIND OF BROUGHT US UP TO SPEED ABOUT THEIR COMMUNICATIONS PREPAREDNESS. 
          AND THIS IS THE, UM, THE MESSAGING THAT YOU SEE IS, IS PUT OUT THERE. 
          UM, SO THEY, THEY BASICALLY HAVE, UH, MESSAGING FOR ALL OF THE POTENTIAL WATER IMPACTS PREPARED, ALREADY READY TO GO. 
          THEY REVIEW THIS CONSTANTLY. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANNA JUST BE CREATED AND STUFF ON THE FLY. 
          SO THEY HAVE THIS STUFF READY TO GO. 
          UM, THEY HAVE EMERGENCY MATERIALS PREPARED, UM, FOR THE VARIETY OF METHODS THAT, THAT THEY CAN COMMUNICATE WITH, SUCH AS WEBSITES, MEDIA RELEASES, SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S, I DON'T WANNA SAY CAN, BUT THEY GOT THIS STUFF READY TO GO. 
          SO WHENEVER A SCENARIO COMES, THEY CAN JUST LAUNCH IT AND, AND GET IT OUT THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          ALL THEIR EMERGENCY MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE IN 15 LANGUAGES. 
          UM, UH, SO THEY PROVIDED, UH, THEIR PROCEDURES FOR COMMUNICATIONS DURING SERVICE IMPACTS IN, IN EMERGENCY. 
          SO A SERVICE IMPACT IS, SAY, A WATER MAIN ON YOUR STREET BREAKS. 
          AND SO IT ONLY AFFECTS THE LOCALIZED AREA. 
          SO DURING SERVICE IMPACTS, THEY COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH THE AFFECTED CUSTOMERS. 
          YOU KNOW, NOW WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, MYOS AND A TX AND ALL THE A MI METERS AND STUFF, THERE'S A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO DIRECT COMMUNICATE WITH CUSTOMERS, UM, THAT ARE AFFECTED. 
          UM, THEY RUN A REAL TIME OUTAGE MAP, WHICH IS ALWAYS ACTIVE. 
          SO THE U IT'S IN THE ARC GIS SYSTEM OF, OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          SO THE URL IS VERY LONG, BUT IF YOU JUST GOOGLE SEARCH AUSTIN WATER LEAK AND OUTAGE MAP, IT POPS RIGHT UP. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE A, YOU KNOW, ACTIVELY WHAT ARE LEAKS AND, AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, BUT THEN DURING EMERGENCIES, AUSTIN WATER HAS A DEPUTY INCIDENT COMMANDER, WHICH OVERSEES ALL THE COMMU, UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND, AND MESSAGING. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN OVER, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FREEZE 
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THAT HAPPENED, UH, LAST MONTH, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY PREPARE, THEY PREPARE ALL OF THE WINTER PREPAREDNESS COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, MATERIALS AND ARE ACTIVELY, YOU KNOW, BROADCASTING THEM EVEN, YOU KNOW, KNOW A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHENEVER THEY WERE PROVIDING THIS, THEY WERE SAYING LIKE, WELL, IT SEEMS TO BE WEIRD TALKING ABOUT WINTER. 
          AND IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, 70, 80 DEGREE DAY OUTSIDE RIGHT? ALREADY. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE SPRINGTIME IN TEXAS. 
          SO, UH, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY PREPARE AND, UH, AND ARE CONSTANTLY AVAILABLE, UM, TO THE CITIZENS OF AUSTIN. 
          AND THEN, UM, I GUESS MAYBE I SHOULD TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THAT BEFORE I GO ON TO THE NEXT, UH, TOPIC. 
          SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, THEN THANKS FOR THE UPDATE. 
          WHAT'S THAT? THANKS FOR THAT PART OF YOUR UPDATE. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND, UH, AND THE SECOND PRESENTATION WAS THE, UM, AUSTIN WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGY IMPLEMENTATION REPORT. 
          SO I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY LIKE LATE IN 2024, THE COMMISSIONERS, WE WANTED TO, UH, BE UPDATED, UH, ON A QUARTERLY BASIS ABOUT, UM, AUSTIN WATER, UH, MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE WATER USE, UM, UPTAKE OF, UH, REBATE PROGRAMS, ALL THAT STUFF. 
          SO THEY IMPLEMENTED THIS QUARTERLY, UH, PRESENTATION TO US, UH, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          UM, BUT THEN THIS MOST RECENT ONE, THEY DECIDED TO GO TO MORE OF A HIGHLIGHTS OVERALL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THESE, UH, THINGS GOT PRETTY LENGTHY. 
          SO THEY PROVIDE US THE ENTIRE REPORT, UH, WHICH YOU CAN ALSO GO ONTO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER COMMISSION, UH, WEBSITE AND, AND GET THAT ENTIRE REPORT. 
          BUT THEY WERE PROVIDING US JUST A QUICK UPDATE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL PROVIDE TO YOU. 
          UM, SO, UH, HIGHLIGHTS FROM, UH, UH, QUARTER FOUR OF 2025. 
          UH, SO SINCE THE PREVIOUS QUARTER FOUR OF 2024, THEY HAVE DONE OVER 1600 NEW RESIDENTIAL AUTOMATIC, UH, IRRIGATION SYSTEM INSPECTIONS. 
          UM, THERE WAS OVER 30 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER SAVED THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN REBATE PROGRAMS IN 2025. 
          UH, THEY ADDED A POSITION AND THEY COMPLETED STAFF TRAINING TO ADDRESS WATER LOSS, UH, WITHIN THE SYSTEM. 
          THE, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU'VE SIGNED UP TO THE MY A TX, IF YOU HAVE A AUTOMATIC, YOU KNOW, UH, METER AND, UH, YOU GET THOSE MONTHLY HOME REPORTS, UM, IT SAYS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU'RE A WATER SAVER, YOU'RE IN A TOP 20%. 
          UM, SO THIS MONTHLY HOME WATER REPORT, THEY HAD AN AVERAGE OF 68% OPEN RATE, AND THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE IS ABOUT 25%. 
          SO A REALLY GREAT, UH, I THINK THING THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN OR YOU KNOW, UH, CITIZENS ARE DOING IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE, UH, EMAILS THAT, UH, AUSTIN WATER IS GETTING OUT TO THEM. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY IMPLEMENTED ALSO A ONSITE WATER REUSE, UH, SYSTEM OPERATOR TRAINING, UH, PROGRAM AND CERTIFICATE CERTIFICATE PROGRAM. 
          SO THESE, AGAIN, ARE FOR THE, UH, LARGE RAINWATER HARVESTING GRAY WATER REUSE SYSTEMS ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. 
          UM, THEY WILL NOW HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFIED, UM, OPERATOR, UH, FOR THOSE SYSTEMS AS, UH, CERTIFIED BY CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          UM, SO GETTING INTO SOME OF THE, UH, UH, GALLONS, UH, PER USE OR, OR GALLONS PER DAY. 
          SO IN Q4, THE WATER USE AVERAGE ACROSS ALL OF THE CATEGORIES IN CITY OF AUSTIN, THAT SINGLE FAMILY, COMMERCIAL, YADA, YADA, UH, IT WAS 126 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY. 
          UM, THE ENTIRE AVERAGE FOR 2025 WAS 128 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN QUARTER FOUR. 
          AND, UM, I LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT, UM, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT QUARTER FOUR FROM 2025, IT WAS A VERY DRY WINTER, OR I GUESS FALL. 
          SO WE HAD THE JULY RAINS, RIGHT? AND, UH, THOSE REALLY FILLED UP THE LAKES, BUT THEN AFTER THAT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A VERY DRY, LATE SUMMER, AND THEN IN THE, IN THE FALL, SO MEANING, UH, PEOPLE WOULD BE IRRIGATING A LOT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT RAINING, YOUR GRASS IS DYING, I NEED TO MAYBE IRRIGATE SOME MORE. 
          SO IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE KIND OF THE, THE Q4 KIND OF DROPPING 2024 Q4, UH, WAS 130 GALLONS PER DAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, FOUR GALLONS, BUT FOUR GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY. 
          A LOT OF WATER OVER THAT QUARTER. 
          SO, UH, JUST SOME WATER, UH, STATS THERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, UH, THEY WERE PRESENTING SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS. 
          SO, UM, UH, SOME OF THE FUTURE WATER LOSS REDUCTION ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'RE PLANNING IS IN 2026 Q1. 
          THEY PLAN, UH, 
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17,500, UH, LINEAR FEET OF LARGE DIAMETER, UH, LEAK DETECTION, UM, WHICH IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING ON AND, AND TALKING ABOUT, UH, MANY TIMES ABOUT LEAK DETECTION AND REDUCING LEAKS. 
          UM, UH, THEY'RE GONNA DEPLOY, UH, A SYSTEM THAT'S CALLED LEAK A ZONE SCAN LEAK DETECTION THROUGH THEIR A MI SYSTEM. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IT, IT WAS JUST A SOUND SOPHISTICATED AND I KNOW IT WILL BE, BUT, UH, BASICALLY IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE ALL OF THE DATA THAT'S COMING IN FROM THE A MI AND USE IT, UH, MAYBE, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA CALL IT AI KIND OF SCANNING AND, AND SEEING HOW USE PATTERNS AND, AND, AND LEAKS, UH, AND SEE IF WE CAN CATCH LEAKS, UM, AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THEN THERE THEY WILL, UH, BE INSTALLING 550 ULTRASONIC METERS WITH ACOUSTIC LEAK DETECTION. 
          SO THIS ALLOWS FOR, UH, LEAK DETECTION IN THE LINE, UH, THROUGH ACOUSTIC MEASURES, UM, UH, VERSUS JUST, UH, SEEING WATER LEAKING OUTTA THE GROUND. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THEIR LAND, UH, LANDSCAPE TRANSPORTATION, UH, EXCUSE ME, LANDSCAPE TRANSFORMATION ACTIVITIES FOR NEW HOMES. 
          UH, THIS WILL BE ENACTED A LITTLE BIT LATER THIS YEAR, BUT BASICALLY, UM, WITH NEW HOMES, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE ALLOWED IRRIGATION UP TO 50% OF THE, UM, PERVIOUS AREA AROUND THE HOME. 
          SO BASICALLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, UH, BUILDERS AND, AND NEW HOME, UH, UH, BUILDERS WILL ONLY BE ALLOWED TO EITHER IRRIGATE THE FRONT OR THE BACKYARD. 
          SO WHEREAS IN THE OLD DAYS, IT WAS JUST PUT IN IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND YOU'RE BLASTING WATER ALL OVER YOUR LAWN. 
          SO TRYING TO REDUCE, UM, AND, AND SO THAT IT GIVES, UH, UH, IT PUSHES BUILDERS TO LOOK AT OTHER WAYS OF, UH, DROUGHT TOLERANT, UH, PLANTINGS, LARGER BEDS, AND NOT JUST COVERING THESE LOTS WITH TURF GRASS, WHICH HAS TO BE IRRIGATED TO KEEP IT ALIVE. 
          UM, SO YEAH, SO THAT WAS THE, UH, WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGY IMPLEMENTATION REPORT THAT WE RECEIVED. 
          SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, GLEAN SOME GOOD INFORMATION FROM THAT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PART, ANNA? UM, I'LL MAKE A QUICK, ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT FLAGGING FOR BUDGET SEASON? YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED IN THE PAST, I THINK WITH, YOU KNOW, ADDING MONEY FOR LEAK DETECTION AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LEAK DETECTION IS TOP OF MIND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S LOST REVENUE WATER FOR AUSTIN WATER. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT IN THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD IT DO BY ADDING BUDGET TO IT? AND, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE, IT'S STRUCTURED WITH CONSULTANTS AND EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT WOULD ALMOST BE LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO HIRE, I GUESS, MORE CONSULTANTS TO USE THE MONEY TO GET TO IT FASTER. 
          AND, AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, THEY JUST SEEM LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STRUCTURE BY JUST THROWING MORE MONEY TO IT WOULD BE INEFFECTIVE OR INEFFICIENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD. 
          SO IT'S, WHICH SOUNDS WEIRD, BUT, YOU KNOW, YEAH. 
          JUST THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED IN TERMS OF HOW THEY TRY TO FIND LEAKS AND, AND, AND, AND WHO THEY EMPLOY TO LOOK FOR LEAKS. 
          UM, IT'S JUST THE STRUCTURE OF THE SYSTEM, SO. 
          YEP. 
          I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE OTHER, UM, TOPIC WE TOUCHED ON EARLIER WITH THE LANDSCAPE CONVERSION PROGRAM. 
          IS YOUR COMMISSION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE CONTINUED TO DISCUSS AT ALL, OR IT'S LOST IN WATER? I MEAN, THEY MUST BE AWARE THAT THE PROGRAM DOESN'T WORK. 
          YEAH, THEY ARE, DOESN'T WORK. 
          YOU LOOK AT THE, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, EVERY QUARTER AND IT'S JUST LIKE, YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, LIKE, ARE THEY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE PER QUARTER, YOU KNOW, USING THE LAND LANDSCAPE TRANSFORMATION? SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS BRING, WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S, UH, HASN'T BEEN, UH, IMPERATIVE. 
          UM, BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING SO THEY KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK, BUT THEY'RE NOT PLANNING TO CHANGE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S DONE ON A YEARLY, I GUESS, BASIS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK OF A, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS FOR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT IS LIKE, YOU HAVE THIS PROGRAM AND THEN MIDSTREAM YOU JUST CHANGE IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALLOWED BY REGULATIONS OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE, I MEAN, EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO UPDATE IT FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR YEAH. 
          LIKE NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO NO DO IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT, UH, IT HASN'T BEEN A TOPIC RECENTLY THAT WE'VE 
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TAKEN UP, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, UM, NOW YOU BROUGHT TOP OF MIND TO ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRESENTING TO THEM. 
          UM, MYSELF, UH, PERSONALLY I HAVE PRESENTED, UM, FROM MY ROLE AS A, A BUSINESS THAT PROMOTES THESE THINGS. 
          AND, UH, I'VE SUGGESTED THESE THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FROM A COMMISSION STANDPOINT THAT MAY BE YEAH. 
          IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT TOO. 
          SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE TAKEN THE STANCE ON IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF SURE. 
          YOU KNOW, WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST, UH, ONE OF MY FRIENDS WAS LIKE, THEY BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE AND THEY WERE LIKE DOING THE CONVERSION AND SHE WAS LIKE TRYING TO DECIDE IF IT WAS EVEN WORTH, WORTH IT, TRYING TO GO THROUGH ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE PROGRAM. 
          AND I THINK ULTIMATELY DECIDED NO. 
          AND, AND, AND PART OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT COMES FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, SOME ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DO OF LIKE, WHAT IS THE, THE WATER SAVINGS PER, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOT OF, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, FROM A WATER COST STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, THE THE FIRST 2000 GALLONS YOU USE PER MONTH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, $3 AND 12 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO THAT ANALYSIS YEAH. 
          IT CAN'T JUST BE TONS OF MONEY BECAUSE THAT ONE SQUARE FOOT OF GRASS, YOU KNOW, ISN'T GONNA SAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT ONE SQUARE FOOT IS NOT GONNA SAVE A THOUSAND GALLONS. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          SO I KNOW IT, IT COMES FROM SOME ANALYSIS. 
          I DON'T WANT TO JUST BE LIKE, THEY WERE JUST THROWING DARTS TO CREATE THIS. 
          SO IT COMES FROM SOME ANALYSIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE IS ALSO THAT IDEA THAT YOU GOTTA GOOSE IT ENOUGH TO GET SOMEONE JUST TO PARTAKE IN THAT. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND, AND I KNOW WHEN I WAS, UM, LOOKING AT IT, WHEN WE FIRST BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, IT WASN'T JUST THE AMOUNT BEING SMALL, IT WAS THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE THAT YOU HAD TO TOTALLY KILL, LIKE YOU HAD TO TOTALLY REMOVE THE TURF GRASS. 
          AND, UM, FRANKLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHATEVER, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          , LIKE IF YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO DIY IT, WHICH WAS WHAT WE WERE DOING, UM, A LOT OF VINYL, BLACK VINYL YEAH. 
          NEWSPAPERS, WHATEVER YOU DOING TO KILL IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IS WE LEFT WHAT WAS THERE, I MEAN, IT WAS IN TERRIBLE CONDITION. 
          ANYWAY, WE TURNED OUR WHOLE FRONT YARD INTO A, UH, LIKE A WILDLIFE HABITAT. 
          WE DON'T MOW IT. 
          WE PLANTED A BUNCH OF DROUGHT TO TOLERANT NATIVES. 
          THE GRASS IS STILL THERE. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY HEALTHIER THAN IT WAS BEFORE, BUT IT, WE JUST LET IT GO DORMANT YEAH. 
          WHEN IT'S NOT RAINING. 
          SO, UM, WE DID NOT MEET THEIR CHECK BOXES, BUT WE AREN'T WATERING OUR FRONT LAWN. 
          LIKE WE USE SOME OF OUR RAINWATER TO WATER, SPOT WATER, SOME PLANTINGS. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK MORE FLEXIBILITY IN LIKE HOW TO IMPLEMENT A TRANSITION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVEN JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND YOU TAKE IT OUT LIKE THAT ALONE IS MORE THAN LIKELY YOU'RE GONNA YEAH. 
          AND THERE IS A, A REBATE FOR THAT PARTICULAR FOR REMOVING IT. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR REMOVING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM A, UH, CONVERSION. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW? RIGHT. 
          UM, SO, UH, BUT YEAH, NO, THOSE ARE GREAT IDEAS AND, AND, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE, THERE IS ANALYSIS THAT'S DONE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO THROW A, A TON OF MONEY AND NOT GET, YOU KNOW, UH, MANY GALLONS OF SAVINGS BACK FROM PUTTING, YOU KNOW, A, A TON OF MONEY BEHIND A REBATE TOO. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          I'M JUST THINKING BACK, WE ALSO HAD SOME FOLKS COME SPEAK TO US MAYBE LAST YEAR ABOUT THE, I THINK THEY CALLED IT WATERWISE CAMPAIGN, AND THAT WAS MORE ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER SCALE REBATES FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING DROUGHT TOLERANT, UM, PLANTS AND SHRUBS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO IT WASN'T SO MUCH ABOUT HAVING TO TEAR SOMETHING OUT, WHICH CAN BE COSTLY, BUT LIKE IF YOU'RE CHOOSING MM-HMM . 
          PLANT SOMETHING. 
          ANYWAY, DON'T WANNA TAKE A BUNCH OF TIME, BUT, YEP. 
          WELL, THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTIONS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC, OR SHOULD WE GO TO OUR NEXT, UH, UPDATE? OKAY. 
          JOHN LINAS, 
          [8. Update regarding the revisions to the Urban Design Guidelines and the barriers to the update – Jon Salinas, Design Commission. ]
UH, WITH AN UPDATE ON URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES FROM THE DESIGN COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, YEAH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE GIVEN AN UPDATE ON THE, UM, UPDATES TO THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THE DESIGN COMMISSION HAS BEEN TASKED WITH. 
          UH, THIS IS A DIRECTIVE FROM, UH, COUNCIL THAT CAME THROUGH IN 2021, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S GONE THROUGH ABOUT TWO YEARS OF WORKING GROUPS AND UPDATES DRAFTS THAT WE COULD SUBMIT TO, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR AS A FIRST SO THAT THEY CAN GET IT TOGETHER ON A GRAPHICALLY. 
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AND SO WE COULD START PRESENTING IT TO OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT, THAT WENT INTO THEM, I THINK IN, UH, SEPTEMBER OF 2024. 
          AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET IT TO US BACK ON, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2025. 
          SO THE FIRST HURDLE WE HAD IS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF, SO, UM, IT HAD, IT WOULD TAKEN 'EM TO SEPTEMBER. 
          UM, THEN THE SECOND HURDLE THAT WE HAD IS THIS SB EIGHT 40 THAT WAS PASSED. 
          AND ONCE THAT WAS PASSED THAT THEY WERE NOT, WERE NOT ALLOWED TO REGULATE THE BUILDINGS THROUGH THE FAR, SO THEY HAD TO, SO THEY HAD TO GET FAR OFF THE TABLE, AND THEN THEY HAD TO GET THROUGH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS AT 350 FEET. 
          AND NOW ANY PROJECTS THAT COME THROUGH THE DESIGN COMMISSION ARE TRYING TO GET A DENSITY BONE OR A BONUS BASED ON HEIGHT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, PLUS SIDES TO THIS IS THAT NOW PARKING IS CALCULATED INTO THAT BUILDING HEIGHT WHEN IT WASN'T CALCULATED IN THE FAR, UM, THE, THE, THE BIG HURDLE THAT WE HAVE NOW IS THAT THEY'VE BEEN TASKED TO UPDATE THEIR WHOLE PROCESS, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND THEY'RE POSSIBLY LOOKING TO BRING THIS INTO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROCESS, WHICH IS INTERNAL, UH, WHICH WOULD, UH, ELIMINATE THE PRIVATE PORTION OF WHAT THE DESIGN COMMISSION IS TASKED WITH, WITH WORKING WITH THE DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS. 
          UM, ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, WE WOULD STILL BE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT CITY PROJECTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. 
          UM, SO WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF ADVOCATING FOR OURSELVES TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AS A COMMISSION, HOW IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PUT OURSELVES INTO PLACE, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE COMING UP PRETTY QUICK AT THE END OF MAY, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF SEAT AT THE TABLE. 
          SO THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN UPDATE ON WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG FOR US TO NOT EVEN GET THE, THE GUIDELINES UPDATED, BUT IT'S BEEN PROBABLY THREE YEARS NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO SO. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT? THAT SOUNDS FRUSTRATING. 
          IT'S BEEN VERY FRUSTRATING. 
          UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE 350 FOOT HEIGHT, UH, WE WEREN'T PART OF ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, SO THAT KIND OF HIT US BY SURPRISE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER COMES OUT OF IT IS NOT ALSO A BIG SURPRISE. 
          AND SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TASKED WITH, UH, MAKING SURE THAT PROJECTS, WHAT WE REALLY FOCUS ON IS WHERE DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAYS, THE, THE URBAN INTERFACE WITH PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES, HOW ALL THAT WORKS OUT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG CONTRIBUTION THAT WE MAKE AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT MORE IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS. 
          GOOD LUCK TO YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOHN? OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR THE UPDATE. 
          UM, AS A REMINDER, UM, ANY, ANY OF Y'ALL WHO ARE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF CITY COMMISSIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, PLEASE DEFINITELY LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE UPDATES, IF FUTURE MEETINGS. 
          IT'S, I THINK, REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE THIS CONNECTIVITY HERE, UM, FOR US ALL TO, TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, FUTURE 
          [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
AGENDA ITEMS. UM, I DO WANNA PAUSE HERE FOR A MOMENT. 
          UM, BECAUSE I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN, IN MARCH, THE SOLAR FOR CITY BUILDINGS IS SOMETHING WE'LL BE GOING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL BY THE END OF MARCH. 
          OUR MEETING OBVIOUSLY COMES AT THE END OF THE MONTH, SO, UM, THAT MIGHT NOT BE TIMELY. 
          UM, IT IS AN ITEM THAT WE HAVE WEIGHED IN ON BEFORE THIS IS WOULD BE THE ACTUAL CONTRACT OR CONTRACTS GOING FORWARD TO COUNSEL. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM FOLKS IF YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN ON THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL. 
          IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN WE MIGHT WANT TO DO A SPECIAL CALL MEETING, WHICH IT, I WOULD HOPE WOULD REPLACE OUR OTHER MEETING, SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING, BUT, UM, MOVING OUR MEETING UP POTENTIALLY. 
          AND BRADEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ABOUT THE TIMING, IS THAT WHAT I SAID? STILL ACCURATE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          DO FOLKS WANT TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE SOLAR FOR CITY 
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BUILDINGS CONTRACT OR CONTRACTS IN MARCH? MAYBE A IF YES, RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          NO, LEAVE IT DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE OKAY WITH IT. 
          JUST GOING FORWARD IF WHATEVER IT, IT MAY BE IS, IS THAT ACCURATE? OKAY. 
          UM, WELL THEN DEPENDING ON THE TIMING, IT'LL BE ON OUR AGENDA IF IT'S TIMELY AND IT WON'T, IF IT'S, WELL, IF, ACTUALLY I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING ON, EVEN IF IT'S JUST AN UPDATE. 
          UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THAT ITEM AND, UH, PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE OTHER ITEMS, OTHER REQUEST, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THE BUDGET ITEM. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CATCHING MY ATTENTION RECENTLY. 
          OUR, UH, NEIGHBORS SOUTH OF THE BORDER. 
          I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MEXICO, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOUTH OF THE COUNTY LINE IN BEAR COUNTY, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH OF THE COUNTY LINE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THE VIBES. 
          SO THEY HAVE, SO THE, UH, RECENT SAN ANTONIO MAYOR, JEAN ORTIZ JONES, ALONG WITH SOME CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR A PILOT WHERE THEIR, UH, FIVE MOST, UH, THE FIVE BUS LINES THAT HAVE THE MOST RIDERSHIP. 
          THEY WERE TRYING TO PUSH LIKE A FAIR FREE PROGRAM, A PILOT PROGRAM THAT GOT STRUCK DOWN BY VIA, WHICH IS SAN ANTONIO'S VERSION OF CAP METRO BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UH, A RAPID BUS LINES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET FEDERAL FUNDING FOR. 
          AND THEY ARGUED THAT THE 5% FAIR, UH, OR LIKE REVENUE DECREASES THEY WOULD SEE FROM THESE FAIR FREE RIDES WOULD IMPACT THEIR, THEIR FEDERAL PROPOSAL FOR DOLLARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE VIA BOARD STRUCK IT DOWN. 
          UH, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN FOR CAP METRO LOOKED LIKE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, LONG TIME AUSTIN ICE WILL REMEMBER THE DOUGH BUSES, WHICH WERE FREED DOWNTOWN CONNECTORS, THOSE GOT DISCONTINUED I THINK LATE 2000, LIKE, YOU KNOW, 2009 I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THOSE WERE JUST DOWNTOWN ONLY ROUTES. 
          YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AUSTIN'S A LITTLE BIT SET UP A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN SAN ANTONIO. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF UNIVERSITY STUDENTS THAT GET CARDS THAT ALLOW THEM TO RIDE CAP METRO FOR FREE. 
          OBVIOUSLY I THINK THERE WOULD BE CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY AND THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESSES AREN'T JUST GOING ON THE BUS AND RIDING AROUND WITH NO REAL DESTINATION AND JUST, YOU KNOW, USING THAT IN LIEU OF SORT OF MORE, UH, EFFICIENT WAYS TO, TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR ISSUES. 
          BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING INTERESTING THAT, UH, I THINK THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A LOT OF PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR. 
          I'VE ALSO SEEN PEOPLE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, INCREASING BUS FREQUENCY IS BETTER TO INCREASE RIDERSHIP THAN FAIR FREE ROUTES. 
          HOWEVER, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF CONCERNS. 
          UH, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT SORT OF THE BEST POSSIBILITIES ARE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO INCREASE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT, WHICH JUST INCREASES, UH, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABILITY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, REDUCES GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AS MORE PEOPLE USE MASS TRANSIT. 
          SO, UH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING INTERESTING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT. 
          AND APPARENTLY THIS HAS BEEN DONE IN SIMILAR CITIES. 
          KANSAS CITY I THINK HAD, UH, FREE BUS RIDES FOR SIX YEARS, ALTHOUGH THEY RECENTLY GOT RID OF THAT PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET MORE MONEY. 
          UH, I THINK THE CITY OF BOSTON HAS BEEN DOING SOME KIND OF PILOT WHERE THEIR TOP THREE BUS ROUTES ARE FREE. 
          UM, SO THERE IS SORT OF A PRECEDENT OF, OF OTHER CITIES LOOKING INTO THIS. 
          SO, UH, YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO, UH, TO BRING UP AS A POTENTIAL FEATURE AGENDA ITEM. 
          THANKS. 
          UH, ARE YOU REQUESTING SOMETHING FROM CAP METRO? WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING SOMEBODY TO PRESENT FROM ONE OF THESE OTHER CITIES, OR THAT WOULD BE COOL. 
          I THINK ALL, ALL OF THE ABOVE SOUND SUPER INTERESTING. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK PROBABLY FROM WHAT THE LIAISONS COULD SET UP WOULD BE REACHING OUT TO CAP METRO, BUT I THINK IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN BRINGING SOMEBODY INTO LIKE, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT A CASE STUDY SOMEWHERE ELSE, UM, DO YOU THINK, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD TAKE ON DOING THAT OUTREACH? YEAH, I THINK, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM READING THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS NEWS, WHICH IS LIKE THEIR VERSION OF THE STATESMAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK REACHING OUT TO OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE IN SAN ANTONIO'S STAFF, CITY COUNCIL STAFF THAT WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS WOULD BE SUPER EASY. 
          I THINK ALSO, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO PLACES LIKE, YOU KNOW, BOSTON, KANSAS CITY THAT HAD SIMILAR PILOTS, I THINK WOULD, UH, WOULD MAKE SENSE AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK HEARING FROM SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY SOMEWHERE THAT ACTUALLY DID IT WOULD BE USEFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S, DON'T, LET ME FORGET. 
          EMAIL ME AND, UH, LET'S, LET'S CONTINUE ON THAT, UM, FOR AN UPCOMING MEETING. 
          ANY OTHER AGENDA REQUEST IDEAS? 
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OKAY. 
          I'M ADJOURNING THE MEETING. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG ONE. 
          I THINK WE DID GOOD WORK THOUGH, THANKS TO EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU.
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