Feb 27, 2026 Community Police Review Commission

SO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE YOU START AT THE BEGINNING AND, UM, YOU HAVE, REMEMBER YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO STATE YOUR CASE, AND WE WILL JUST, UH, LISTEN AND THEN WE PROCEED TO DO THE MORE OFFICIAL, UM, MEETINGS.

SO I HAVE HERE, UH, PETER HUNT.

HI, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR PUTTING ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.

UH, I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ABOUT WHY THESE ARE IMPORTANT AND SORT OF, ESPECIALLY ITEM FOUR.

UM, IT ON JANUARY 5TH.

UH, I, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE CONTEXT FOR THIS ALREADY, BUT A PD WAS CALLED OUT FOR A DISTURBANCE IN SOUTH AUSTIN.

UM, DURING, UH, RESPONDING TO THAT DISTURBANCE, THEY SAW AN ICE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, UM, FOR A WOMAN WHO WAS PRESENT ON THE SCENE AND REFERRED, UH, THAT WOMAN TO ICE.

SHE WAS THEN TAKEN INTO ICE CUSTODY AND SUBSEQUENTLY DEPORTED.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF, UH, THE CPRC TO DO A COMMUNITY REVIEW OF THIS INTERACTION TO LOOK INTO, UH, POLICE INTERACTION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY FOLLOWED PROCEDURE APPROPRIATELY, AND BASICALLY GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SITUATION, UM, PROVIDE AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THAT.

UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT NORMALLY THE CPRC PREFERS TO WORK WITH, UM, CASES THAT HAVE ALREADY HAD TO DO WITH THE COMPLAINT.

UM, GIVEN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, I DON'T THINK THE, UH, INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED WILL BE ABLE TO FILE A COMPLAINT SEEN AS THEY'RE ALREADY OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY.

SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE FOR CPRC TO INITIATE THEIR OWN REVIEW OF THIS CASE.

UM, THIS GETS TO LARGER ISSUES ABOUT, UH, TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY WITH ICE AND A PD COORDINATION.

UH, I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT RIGHT NOW, UM, AND CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE ONGOING WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WITH THE CITY ABOUT ADDRESSING THOSE.

WE HAVE NOT REALLY HEARD ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS REGARDING CHANGES TO, UH, GENERAL ORDER THREE 30, UM, AND COORDINATION BETWEEN ICE AND A PD.

UH, BUT THE SUBSTANTIAL THING IS THAT SB FOUR, WHICH, UH, WOULD PROHIBIT ANY PROHIBITION ON THE PART OF THE CITY, UM, REGARDING THAT COORDINATION DOES NOT SEEM TO EXTEND TO ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS.

AND THERE IS NO AFFIRMATIVE OBLIGATION FOR A PD AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, UH, TO ACT, UH, AFFIRMATIVELY AND CONSISTENTLY ON THESE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS, WHICH ARE NOT JUDICIAL, AND WHICH MAY, UM, IF ACTED UPON OVER ZEALOUSLY INVOLVED FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT VIOLATIONS.

UM, I THINK I MAY BE RUN OUTTA TIME, BUT I HOPE THAT WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK AGAIN ON ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE WHEN THEY'RE FULLY BROUGHT UP ON THE AGENDA.

AND NEXT, I GUESS ON THE SAME TOPIC, UH, JUDY GRANTFORD PRONOUNCING.

UH, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? YEAH, MY NAME IS PETER HUNT.

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SORRY.

HI, MY NAME IS JUDY BRADFORD, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT SOME TESTIMONY THAT WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT FROM, UH, PEOPLE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, UM, BY THIS, UH, SITUATION AND THE WAY THAT, UM, IT'S MAKING, UH, COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE AND ENFORCEMENT OF LAW VERY DIFFICULT.

SO THE TESTIMONY I'M GONNA READ YOU IS FROM, UH, A, A, A WOMAN, UH, NAMED.

SHE CALLS HERSELF MTL, AND SHE SAID, UM, THIS HAPPENED TO ME ON JANUARY 9TH, AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE JANUARY 9TH OF LAST YEAR.

UH, TWO BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE.

A MAN PULLED UP, UH, SCREECHING HIS TIRES PARKED BEHIND ME.

I GOT OUT TO DROP SOMETHING OFF.

AND WHEN I TURNED, RETURNED TO MY CAR, THE MAN PULLED OUT A BASEBALL BAT AND SMASHED THE BACK OF THE WINDOW OF MY CAR.

HE YELLED AT ME TO GO BACK TO MY COUNTRY THAT I WAS TRASH, I WAS A PIECE OF S**T, AND THAT THE ONLY THING I DESERVED WAS TO BE SHOT IN THE HEAD.

HE TRIED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO HIT ME WITH THE BED, THEN HE SPED OFF.

I COULDN'T RECORD ANYTHING OR GET HIS LICENSE PLATE NUMBER BECAUSE I WAS COMPLETELY PARALYZED WITH FEAR.

A NEIGHBOR SAW IT FROM HER WINDOW, AND I ASKED HER IF SHE WOULD HELP ME FILE A POLICE REPORT AS A WITNESS, BUT SHE SAID HER CAMERA DOESN'T FILM WELL.

AND THEN SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE CAN'T RISK GETTING INTO TROUBLE AND THAT THEY DIDN'T TRUST TALKING TO THE POLICE, GIVEN THE CURRENT SITUATION WITH THEM.

I'M STILL TALKING TO MY NEIGHBORS TO SEE IF ANYONE TOOK A VIDEO OR IF THEY CAN HELP ME WITH THE POLICE REPORT.

THEY'RE AFRAID OF INTERACTING WITH THE POLICE, AND SO AM I, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE HIS INFORMATION.

THE MAN TOOK PICTURES OF ME, MY CAR, AND MY LICENSE PLATE, AND IT HAPPENED TWO BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE.

I'M LIVING A NIGHTMARE.

I ALWAYS LOOK OUT THE WINDOW IF I HEAR A NOISE BECAUSE I THINK THE MAN IS GOING TO COME BACK AND SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD.

I HAVEN'T FILED A POLICE REPORT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE POLICE WILL BELIEVE ME SINCE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE.

IT'S VERY, VERY TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE FOR ME, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT I CAN'T COUNT ON JUSTICE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'M VERY ACTIVE IN POLITICS.

I KNOW MY RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT I AM VERY AFRAID.

I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THE REST OF MY COMMUNITY THAT IS MY COMMUNITY, THAT'S LIVING WITH THIS CRISIS FEELS.

AND THEN SHE WAS APPEALING TO JUDGE BROWN TO HELP HER IN THIS SITUATION.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS A, A, A CAUTIONARY TALE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, CRIMES ARE NOT GETTING REPORTED.

UM, JUSTICE IS NOT BEING PURSUED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN FEAR.

AND I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION THAT, UM, A AROSE, UM, PEOPLE AT AUSTIN SANCTUARY NETWORK HAD SPOKEN WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND WERE TOLD THAT THE, UM, AUSTIN POLICE CANNOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A JUDICIAL WARRANT AND, AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD.

AND, UM, THAT DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO US, AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL.

MAY ASSESS THE REASONABLENESS AND NECESSITY OF REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE OR COOPERATION FROM FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS BEFORE COMPLYING WITH THEM.

UH, NEXT I LIKE, UM, IF AGAIN, MCCANNS.

COULD I SAY IT RIGHT? UH, HELLO, MY NAME'S IAN MC ADAMS. I'VE PICKED UP SOME INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, THE LAST, UM, YEAR OF, UM, LOCAL POLICING AND THE, UH, SENATE BILL FOUR AND EIGHT AND 2 87 G UH, MEASURES, AND HOW THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE BECAUSE I, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT I, UM, I KNOW, UM, ARE AFRAID AND, UM, DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

SO THIS IS MY SUMMARY.

UM, MY COMRADES AND I HAVE GRAVE ISSUES WITH THE A PD COLLABORATING WITH THE US IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT.

THIS IS A FEDERALLY MANDATED ENFORCEMENT SQUAD THAT ILLEGALLY DETAINS PERSONS IN OUR COUNTRY FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE OR CIVIL OF OFFENSES OF INCOMPLETE COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR IMMIGRATION RESTRICTIONS.

THE A PD CLAIMS, THEY'RE COMPELLED BY FEDERAL MANDATE BY THE PASSAGE OF SENATE BILL FOUR IN 2017.

AND NOW THE NON-OPTIONAL OPTIONS OF 2 87 G.

IT REALLY IS OPTIONAL.

HOWEVER, IN FACT, LOCALITIES

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PER CHRIS HARRIS OF THE TEXAS CIVIL RIGHTS PROJECT.

LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SUCH AS A PD DO NOT HAVE INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY TO STOP OR ARREST PEOPLE FOR CIVIL IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS.

ANY SUCH STOPS LIKELY VIOLATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT.

THE PROJECT ALSO ENCOURAGES PRIORITIZING TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE COSTS THAT ARISE FROM DISCRE DISCRETIONARY COLLABORATION.

THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THE A PD HAVE BEEN RATHER OPAQUE OR OBTUSE ABOUT THE COSTS THEY ARE QUIETLY ASSIGNING TO THE TECH AUSTIN TAXPAYERS TO FINANCE ILLEGAL FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT BY CUSTODIAL REST FOR MERE CIVIL OFFENSES, WHICH ADDS JOB FUNCTIONS TO THE A PD WORKLOAD FOR WHICH AUSTINITES HAVE NOT AGREED TO.

A PD ARE TASKED WITH COMMUNITY POLICING, NOT IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

UM, AUSTIN IS DANGEROUSLY INVITING LAWSUITS THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE WARRANTED SINCE PEOPLE OF ALL SKIN COLORS AND NATIONALITIES ARE BEING HELD OVER AT THE CITY JAILS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 48 HOURS UNDER AN ICE HOLD, WHICH MEANS THAT OUR POLICE ARE ILLEGALLY BREACHING 10TH AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO NOT BE HELD UNDER CUSTODIAL ARREST WITHOUT DUE PROCESS AS AN AUSTINITE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

NEXT, IF WE COULD HAVE, UH, JIM CROSBY.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

I'M JIM CROSBY, AND I HAVE A TESTIMONY FROM A WOMAN NAMED DONNA TO READ TO YOU THAT I BELIEVE IS COLLECTED BY THE AUSTIN SANCTUARY NETWORK.

MY NAME IS DONNA.

I'M THE MOTHER OF A 9-YEAR-OLD BOY, AND THIS IS MY TESTIMONY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME IN SEPTEMBER, 2024.

I WAS INVOLVED IN A CAR ACCIDENT FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I WAS NOT INTOXICATED.

WHEN I GOT OUT OF MY CAR, I SAW THAT MY HANDS WERE BLEEDING.

I HAD BRUISES ON MY RIBS BACK AND KNEES, THE AMBULANCE AND POLICE ARRIVED.

AND THEY DIDN'T ASK ME HOW I WAS FEELING.

THEY JUST ASKED FOR MY ID.

I WANTED TO GET IT OUT OF THE CAR, BUT THEY STOPPED ME.

I TOLD THEM MY MOM COULD GET MY ID, THEY DIDN'T CARE, AND THEY SAID THEY COULD GET IT AND SEARCH MY VEHICLE.

AND THEY DID.

THEY MADE ME CROSS THE STREET.

THEY WANTED TO SEARCH MY CLOTHES, AND I REFUSED.

I ASKED THEM TO CALL THE FEMALE POLICE OFFICER WHO HAD COME WITH THEM.

THEY TRIED TO PUT THEIR HANDS INSIDE MY CLOTHES, AND I STOPPED THEM.

THEY PINNED ME TO THE GROUND SAYING THAT I WAS RESISTING.

THEY HANDCUFFED ME AND TOOK ME TO A DARK PARKING LOT.

AND WHILE I REMAINED HANDCUFFED IN PAIN AND BLEEDING, THEY TESTED ME TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T DRUNK.

THEY ACCEPTED THAT I HADN'T BEEN DRINKING, BUT SAID THAT I WAS STILL UNDER ARREST FOR RESISTING ARREST.

THEY TOOK ME TO JAIL, THEN THEY SENT ME TO A DOCTOR FOR AN EXAMINATION.

SHE ASKED THEM WHY THEY HADN'T TAKEN ME TO THE HOSPITAL FOR X-RAYS FROM THE BEGINNING.

WHEN THEY ARRIVED AT THE ACCIDENT AND SAW ME BLEEDING AND BRUISED, THEY TOOK ME TO THE HOSPITAL.

AND FROM THERE, THEY RETURNED ME TO JAIL.

THEY IMMEDIATELY PLACED ME ON IMMIGRATION HOLD.

THE NEXT DAY, AN OFFICER TOOK ME OUTTA MY CELL AND GAVE ME SOME PAPERS.

HE TOLD ME TO SIGN THEM, BUT I REFUSED, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE THEY WERE IN ENGLISH.

THIS IS TRANSLATED FROM SPANISH BY THE WAY.

HE EXPLAINED THAT THEY WERE FOR ME TO ACCEPT THE CHARGES AS FELONIES.

HE INSISTED THAT I SIGN.

AND BECAUSE I REFUSED, HE DIDN'T LET ME SHOWER FOR A WEEK.

EVERY DAY I TOLD THEM THAT MY INJURIES WERE HURTING, BUT THEY DID NOTHING THANKS TO THE COMMUNITY GETTING ME A LAWYER TO DEFEND ME WHO CAME TO SEE ME.

THE NEXT DAY, I WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE COUNTY JAIL WHERE I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO TAKE A SHOWER.

SUDDENLY, THEY TOLD ME THEY WERE TRANSFERRING ME TO THE PUNISHMENT CELLS.

THEY LOCKED ME UP IN A SMALL ROOM ALONE, UNABLE TO TALK TO ANYONE.

NO ONE TOLD ME WHY.

THERE THEY DIDN'T LET US OUT INTO THE SUN.

WE WEREN'T ALLOWED VISITORS.

I COULDN'T EVEN TALK TO MY LAWYER.

I WAS THERE FOR ALMOST A MONTH.

I WAS DETAINED FOR THREE MONTHS AND 10 DAYS AFTER THE ACCIDENT, THANKS TO THE COMMUNITY, I WAS NOT DEPORTED.

BUT NOW I LIVE IN FEAR THAT THEY WILL COME LOOKING FOR ME BECAUSE I HAVE TO GO TO COURT APPOINTMENTS AND MORE.

I HAD A GOOD JOB.

MY SON WAS GOING TO SCHOOL, AND WE HAD A NORMAL LIFE.

I DIDN'T DESERVE THE TREATMENT I RECEIVED.

THE WORST THING I EXPERIENCED UNFAIRLY WAS THAT I COULD ONLY SEE MY SON THROUGH PLASTIC WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO TOUCH OR HUG HIM.

YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW HORRIBLE THAT IS SEEING HIM CRY BECAUSE HIS MOTHER IS LOCKED UP LIKE MANY OTHERS.

I LIVE IN FEAR OF DROPPING MY CHILD OFF AT SCHOOL OR GOING TO WORK, OR SEEING MY 9-YEAR-OLD CHILD SCARED EVERY TIME THE COURT DATE APPROACHES.

MY LAWYER TOLD ME THAT EVEN THOUGH I DID NOT COMMIT THE FELONY THEY

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CHARGED ME WITH, IT WILL ALWAYS BE ON MY RECORD.

THEY HAVE MARKED ME FOREVER.

UH, NEXT, UH, JENNIFER SMITH.

HELLO, MY NAME IS SHANDA SMITH AND I APOLOGIZE.

I'M NOT REALLY PREPARED TODAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE I COULD SIGN UP TO SPEAK HERE.

UM, SO I'M HERE BASICALLY BECAUSE THERE'S AN OVERWHELMING SENSE OF FEAR WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN ANYBODY SEES LAW ENFORCEMENT, REGARDLESS IF THEY'RE A-P-D-A-I-S-D-P-D, THERE'S A TRIGGERED REACTION THAT PEOPLE THINK IT'S ICE BECAUSE OF THE ICE DAMAGE THAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND, UM, SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT LIKE MAYBE TRACKING DATA ON ICE INTERACTIONS, PERHAPS CREATING A DASHBOARD FOR ANY TIME THERE IS CONTACT WITH ICE BETWEEN A PD, WHETHER IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, WHETHER IT'S A, THE, LIKE WHEN THEY RESPONDED TO THE CRASH THAT HAPPENED IN NORTH LOOP.

UM, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE SOME TRANSPARENCY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON.

IF WE CAN SEE THE DATA INSTEAD OF WORDS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

UM, ALSO DEVELOPING TRAININGS ON HOW OFFICERS INTERACT WITH PEOPLE THAT THEY MIGHT PULL OVER OR COME IN CONTACT WITH REGARDING INFORMING THEM OF THEIR RIGHTS, WHETHER THEY'RE ACTUALLY DETAINED OR IF THEY'RE FREE TO LEAVE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE CALLING ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOW STEPS IN PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE TO GET SUPERVISORY APPROVAL, BUT MOST PEOPLE ON THE STREET DON'T UNDERSTAND WHETHER THEY'RE BEING DETAINED OR IF THEY'RE FREE TO LEAVE WITHOUT SOMEBODY TELLING THEM.

UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE STANDARDS DEVELOPED REGARDING DUTY TO INTERVENE.

I REALIZE THAT'S PROBABLY A BIG STRETCH, AND THAT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO PUSH BACK AGAINST FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

BUT IF AN OFFICER SEES SOMETHING HAPPENING WHERE THEY DO HAVE A DUTY TO INTERVENE, UM, IF THEY HAD SOME TRAINING SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO ICE AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE ICE IS VERY POORLY TRAINED.

WE'VE SEEN THEM VIOLATING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS LEFT AND RIGHT, AND WE'VE SEEN THEM COMMITTING ACTS OF VIOLENCE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TRAINING WHERE A PD OFFICERS ARE SPECIFICALLY TRAINED ON HOW TO HANDLE THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO AND WHEN THE DUTY TO INTERVENE ROLE COMES INTO PLAY.

CALL FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE JANUARY, 2026, UM, MEETING.

I WANNA THANK, UH, THE SPEAKERS.

UM, THIS IS CLEARLY A TOPIC THAT'S HIGH AND, UH, IN MIND OF ALL AUSTINITES.

UH, WHAT I'VE HAD TO DO NOW IS FOLLOWING, IT'S ALMOST ANTICLIMACTIC, WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE TO DO THINGS LIKE, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND SO FORTH BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL, UH, DISCUSSION.

SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST

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ANY SECONDS? SECOND.

SECOND.

UM, SO I GOT CALL FOR, UH, IF LIFT YOUR HANDS OR SAY I A IF YOU APPROVE OF THE MINUTES, THE JANUARY MINUTES TWO.

KATHY, THAT'S, NO, I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER RUSSELL, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

SHE RAISED HER HAND, DID SHE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

UH, STAFF BRIEFING, UM, REGARDING, UH, PROGRESS OF THE WORK OF THE POLICE TECHNOLOGY UNITS AND, UH, INTERNAL DRIVE FOR THE CPRC TO ACCESS THE CASES.

SO THAT'S, I GUESS, SQUEAK SIX.

UNANIMOUS.

SO WE GOT THAT OVER.

UM, WE'D LIKE TO START WITH,

[2. Staff briefing regarding progress of work with the Police Technology Unit on an internal drive for the CPRC to access case files. ]

THANK YOU CHAIR.

GAIL MCCANN, DIRECTOR AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT.

UM, AS OF JANUARY, UM, THIS JANUARY CPRC MEETING, UH, A PO REPORTED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE RE HAD RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER PENA, NOTING THAT, UM, THERE WERE CASES THAT WERE MISSING IN TERMS OF THE CASES

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THAT HAD BEEN TRANSFERRED FOR YOUR REVIEW.

SO ONCE WE RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION, UM, MY STAFF AND I MET WITH THE POLICE TECHNOLOGY UNIT AND THE CTM, WHICH IS THE COMMUNICATIONS AND TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT UNIT.

UM, WE ENSURED THAT ENOUGH STORAGE WAS AVAILABLE.

WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH STORAGE CAPACITY.

AND SO AS WE STARTED TO TRY TO UPLOAD CASES INTO THE FILE, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH STORAGE, THOSE CASES WERE NOT BEING UPLOADED.

SO ONCE WE IDENTIFIED THAT, WE QUICKLY ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE.

AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THAT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT THERE IS A BROADER QUESTION THAT REMAINS REGARDING CCP, CPR, C'S REQUEST FOR DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SYSTEMS THAT PROCESS STORE AND TRANSMIT, UH, CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION.

SO THAT IS THE ISSUE THAT WE WANT TO, UH, SPEAK TO, UH, ON TODAY.

UM, THAT SAID, UM, CURRENTLY ALL THE CPRC WORKING GROUPS HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO ALL THE RECORDS NECESSARY TO CONDUCT THEIR INVESTIGATIVE REVIEWS.

UH, THROUGH A SECURE, WE'RE USING A SHAREPOINT.

AND SO IT'S, UH, A DOCUMENT REPOSITORY RIGHT NOW THAT YOU RECEIVED THOSE FILES FOR REVIEW.

SO, AS WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE THE RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE TO CPRC, AND THOSE SAME RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE TO, UH, OUR STAFF IS THE SAME RECORDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT.

SO, UH, YOU ARE RECEIVING AND SEEING WHAT I SEE, WHAT THE COMPLAINT STAFF SEE, WHAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UH, SEES.

AND SO, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION, SO THE CGI IS HOUSED IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESTRICTIVE SYSTEM.

AND SO I THINK THAT IS THE SYSTEM IN WHICH THE QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP IN TERMS OF, UH, CPRC HAVING, UH, DIRECT ACCESS TO.

UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, IT WAS EITHER, UH, AUGUST OF SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR WHEN NEIL, WHO IS THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS OUR OFFICE, AND YOU AS WELL, UM, HAD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH, WITH THE TEAM TO DISCUSS, UH, THE DIRECT ACCESS AND TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT WERE NOTED, UH, IN TERMS OF THAT.

AND THAT THERE HAD BEEN A DECISION, AN EXTERNAL DECISION RELATED TO, UM, DIRECT ACCESS TO THESE SYSTEMS AND NOTED THAT CPRC WAS NOT AUTHORIZED.

AND SO, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION BACK IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, AND SO I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE NOT, UM, PARTY OR NOT PRESENT FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

AND IF THOSE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO RE REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION, WE ARE HAPPY TO, UM, FACILITATE OR COORDINATE ANOTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION SO THAT WE CAN SPEAK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE LEGAL BARRIERS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT HAVE PROHIBITED THE DIRECT ACCESS TO THOSE DATABASES.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UM, AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSION, UH, TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THEIR WORK FULLY, MAKE SURE IT'S TRANSPARENT, AND, AND IT COMPLIES, COMPLIES WITH THE, UH, AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT ACT THAT BARRY IS THERE.

AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT, UH, NEIL IS WILLING TO HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION FOR THOSE NEW COMMISSIONERS SO THAT WE ALL HAVE A, A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE BARRIERS ARE.

QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR UPDATE.

YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A SLIGHT COMMENT.

UM, SINCE I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE I, UH, FOR, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT WE'RE RECEIVING THAT.

I HAVE NOT SEEN EVIDENCE NOW OF ANYTHING MISSING, BUT WHEN I READ WHAT I THINK THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, WHAT THE CITIZENS, UH, REQUESTED, IT READS THAT FULL ACCESS.

AND AS LONG AS THERE IS A COPYING AND SO FORTH, I THINK VALIDLY THERE, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE QUESTIONING THAT, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PUSH THAT, UH, AS PART OF OUR THING.

BUT IN THE MEANWHILE, I, I THINK I, I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF NOT HAVING RECEIVED SOME OF THESE THERE, UH, THE DETAILS ARE THERE.

AND SO THAT'S JUST FOR THE RECORD, MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE SOLE THE DIFFERENCE IN OUR, UM, LEGAL QUESTION.

UH, NOW WE'LL

[3. Staff briefing regarding updates related to Austin Police Oversight, including an overview and key highlights; administrative and operational updates; commission support and follow-up; community engagement; policy highlights; and upcoming items and priorities from Director Gail McCant. ]

MOVE TO THE BRIEFING.

UH, GAIL MCCANN DIRECTOR.

UM, THE, UH, EXECUTIVE LIAISON MONTHLY UPDATE BRIEFING, AGAIN, FEBRUARY 27.

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UM, JUST WANNA TALK THROUGH JANUARY THOSE ACTIVITIES, UM, THAT HAVE OCCURRED ADMINISTRATIVELY IN JANUARY WITH THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT.

UH, WE WORKED ON, UH, ON, UH, WORK WITH THE BUDGET OFFICE ON THE ANNUAL WORK PLAN FOR FY 27 AND FY 28.

THIS INCLUDE DEVELOPING APOS GOALS AND THEIR KEY PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

AND SO AT, AT, AT SOME POINT, WE CAN SHARE THOSE WITH YOU.

UM, WE SUM SUBMIT SUBMITTED APOS, UH, ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND, UM, PROGRESS FOR FY 25 TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S FY YEAREND REVIEW.

AND SO THE CITY MANAGER DOES A YEAREND REVIEW, AND SO EACH DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRED TO, UH, SUBMIT ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM YOUR OFFICE.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT.

UH, A PO AND A PD HAD THEIR MONTHLY LEADERSHIP MEETING.

UM, THIS WOULD BE THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.

AND, UM, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, POLICY RE POLICIES RELATED TO, UH, IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

THOSE ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW.

AND A PD WILL, UH, PROVIDE THE FINAL DRAFT TO A PO BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE FINAL APPROVAL.

UM, UPCOMING EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES.

UH, I, I HOPE BY NOW THAT YOU ALL ARE RECEIVING THE MONTHLY NEWS LETTER, WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WERE SIGNED UP SO THAT YOU GET TIMELY INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE ACTIVITIES OF THE OFFICE ON THURSDAY, MARCH 5TH, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT WORK GROUP WORKING GROUP, UH, QUARTERLY MEETING WHERE IT HAPPENED.

THIS IS WILL, UH, BE AT YARBOROUGH PUBLIC LIBRARY FROM SIX O'CLOCK TO 8:00 PM UH, AND OF COURSE, FOR MARCH, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR MONTHLY CPRC MEETING.

UM, THE STAFF HAVE ALREADY BEGUN COMPILING COMPLAINTS DATA FOR THE 2025 ANNUAL REPORT.

UM, THIS IS THE MOST TIME INTENSIVE DATA SET TO COMPILE, SO IT TAKES SOME TIME JUST TO VALIDATE THAT INFORMATION.

UM, IT'S A, IT TAKES A SUSTAINED MONTHS TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

SO WE'VE ALREADY START, STARTED THAT EFFORT.

WE DON'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME IN WHICH THE REPORT WOULD BE RELEASED, BUT WE ARE, UH, ANTICIPATING IT WILL BE RELEASED AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME, 2025, I THINK IT WAS NOVEMBER OF 20, UH, 2025 LAST YEAR.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY NOVEMBER OF 2026 THIS YEAR.

IN REGARD TO THE CPRC, UM, RYAN IS CONTINUING TO ONBOARD, UM, THE ONBOARDING PROCESS FOR NEW CPRC COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE AT VARIOUS STAGES.

A TRAINING SESSION FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE WAS HELD EARLIER THIS MONTH, AND SOME OF THE CPRC MEMBERS ATTENDED THAT TRAINING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS WHO DID NOT UNFORTUNATELY COMPLETE THE STATE REQUIRED BACKGROUND CHECKS.

UH, AFTER TRYING NUMEROUS TIMES, UH, ATTEMPTS TO, TO GET THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.

UH, THIS WEEK WE DID NOTIFY THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WERE BEING REMOVED FROM CPRC FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH, UM, STATE LAW, WHICH REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

UH, WE WILL, UH, KEEP THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR UPDATED ON THOSE PERSONS THAT, UM, WHO ARE CHOSEN, APPOINTED AS REPLACEMENTS, UH, IN TERMS OF THEIR ONBOARDING PROCESS AS WELL.

SO WE'VE JUST STARTED THAT PROCESS.

SO WHAT IS THE, WHERE DO WE STAND NOW IN TERMS OF THE ACCOUNT FOR HOW MANY WE HAVE AUTHORIZED AND HOW MANY ARE IN THE PIPELINE, I GUESS? SO WE HAVE TWO IN THE PIPELINE.

TWO, TWO PERSONS WERE REMOVED ON LAST WEEK.

AND SO WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS FROM THE ALTERNATE LIST, UM, THAT WERE, THAT WERE RECENTLY PUT INTO THE PIPELINE THAT WAS RECENTLY PUT IN THE PIPELINE.

ALTERNATES? I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GETTING EXHAUSTED AT THIS POINT.

SO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, UM, REACHED OUT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN TERMS OF THEIR, TO ENSURE THEIR INTEREST.

AND THEN ONCE WE HEAR BACK FROM THEM, WE WILL ALSO SEND THEM THE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF HOW THEY GO ABOUT DOING THEIR CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS.

MM-HMM .

UM, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET PAST THAT FIRST STEP.

IT'S JUST THAT SECOND STEP WHEN WE ARE REQUESTING PER STATE LAW THAT THEY GO THROUGH THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING BOTTLED NECK THERE.

SO, UM, AGAIN, REACHING OUT TO THEM AS GIVING THEM AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES AS POSSIBLE.

WE ARE STAYING IN TOUCH WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR, MAKING THEM AWARE THAT WE'VE REACHED OUT THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES, AND THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, ANY COMPLIANCE IN TERMS OF THAT.

AND SO THEN TALKING THROUGH THAT WITH THEM TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION WHETHER TO MOVE ON TO THE PERSONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PIPELINE AS ALTERNATIVES.

AND THEN WHERE, UH, WHERE THEN DO WE STAND ON THE LIST OF

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SO WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION NOW, AND WE WILL, UH, WE ARE TALKING THROUGH, UH, OPENING UP THE APPLICATION PROCESS SO THAT, UH, AS COMMISSIONERS RESIGN OR, OR MAKE DECISIONS THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION, THAT WE HAVE A ALTERNATE POOL ALREADY AVAILABLE TO PULL FROM.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON OPENING UP THE, THE, THE APPLICATION POOL.

IN THE NEXT MONTHS OR SO.

COULD I ASK A QUESTION? GO AHEAD, TERRY.

WE WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY HEARING YOU.

YOU CAN'T HEAR ME? YES, NOW I CAN.

SO CAN WE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE COMMISSIONER OR RYAN, BUT CAN WE GET A LIST OF WHO THE ACTIVE MEMBERS ARE AND WHO IS NOT, WHO'S NO LONGER ACTIVE, AND WHO IS IN THE PIPELINE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE GENERAL AWARENESS? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR MEMBERSHIP CONSISTS OF RIGHT NOW.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU, SIR.

STAFF PARTICIPATED IN EIGHT EVENTS, INCLUDING, UM, LEADING THREE COMMUNITY FOCUS GROUPS, TWO EVENTS WITH THE NORTH AUSTIN MUSLIM COMMUNITY CENTER, AND TWO COMMISSION MEETINGS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? WE MOVE ON.

SO, UM, FOR THE, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE, UM, PROFESSIONAL PICTURES.

WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE PIC PICTURES ON OUR WEBSITE.

UH, WE PLAN TO, FOR YOUR MARCH MEETING, WE ARE PROPOSING HAVING THE PHOTOGRAPHER HERE TO TAKE THOSE PICTURES.

WE'RE ASKING COMMISSIONERS TO SHOW UP 20 OR 30 MINUTES EARLY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

SO THE PROPOSED DATE NOW IS MARCH 17, AND IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, WE'LL SCHEDULE THE PHOTOGRAPHER TO BE HERE FOR THAT DATE.

UM, ALL THE CPRC COMMISSIONERS ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE FY 25 26 TEXAS CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS TRAINING, UH, FROM NO BEFORE BY MAY 31ST, UM, 2026.

UH, RYAN CAN ASSIST YOU WITH INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO DO THAT, HOW YOU ESTABLISH YOUR ACCOUNT IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

BUT THAT IS A CITY REQUIREMENT THAT YOU COMPLETE THE, UH, CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS BY MAY 31ST.

UM, THE COMPLAINTS DIVISION, I THINK WE REPORTED LAST, LAST MONTH THAT WE HAD A VACANT POSITION ON THE COMPLAINT POSITION, AND WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF RECRUITING FOR THAT POSITION.

WE HAVE FILLED THAT POSITION AS OF FEBRUARY 9TH.

AND THEN THE POLICY AND RESEARCH DIVISION IS RECRUITING FOR A VACANT POLICY ANALYSIS POSITION, A PD, UH, A PO REQUESTED IED DOWNLOAD FIVE CASES TO THE SHARED DIGITAL CASE FOLDER.

UH, WE, THAT HAPPENED SUCCESSFULLY WITH NO, UM, ISSUES.

SO ALL THOSE CASES HAVE BEEN DOWN LOADED AND ARE AVAILABLE TO CPRC, TO THOSE DESIGNATED, UM, REVIEW GROUPS, WORKING, WORKING GROUPS.

UM, JUST WANTED TO FOR SOME FOLLOW UP.

UH, I THINK LAST, LAST MEETING YOU ASKED ABOUT, UH, HAVING THE CHIEF OF POLICE COME TO YOUR APRIL MEETING.

WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SHE IS AWARE THAT THERE IS A REQUEST FOR THE APRIL 17 MEETING.

UM, WE STILL NEED TO ADVISE HER OF THE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION.

AND SO WE WANNA GET THOSE TO HER AHEAD OF TIME.

AND SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER EUGENE IS WORKING ON THOSE, AND SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THOSE, SO WE CAN GET THOSE TO HER AHEAD OF THE APRIL 17TH MEETING.

JUST AS A REMINDER, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE NOTICED THAT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS STAFF ARE HERE AT OUR, OUR MEETINGS.

THEY WILL CONTINUE TO ATTEND OUR CPRC MEETINGS AS THEIR SCHEDULES ALLOW.

UH, HOWEVER, ABSENT A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IDENTIFIED IN ADVANCE, UM, THEY WILL BE HERE JUST PARTICIPATING JUST FOR OBSERVATION PURPOSES.

ALSO, WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT 2024 ANNUAL REPORT WAS PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 9TH.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST MEETING.

A PD HAS 90 DAY PERIOD TO REVIEW THE REPORT BEFORE RESPONDENT, AND THAT DATE WILL COME UP ON MARCH 9TH.

UH, IF YOU NOTICE IN YOUR INBOX TODAY, WE MADE YOU AWARE OF ALL THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS.

UM, AND, AND THOSE ARE IN, IN YOUR INBOX, THE LINKS TO SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE, ALL THE COMPLAINTS DATA.

THAT WAS ONE MEMO OF CONCERN, THREE DISCIPLINARY, UH, MEMOS AND THREE, UM, DISCIPLINARY RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO AT YOUR CONVENIENCE, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE.

UH, RYAN SHOULD HAVE SENT THOSE, THOSE LINKS TO YOU IN YOUR INBOX.

UM, ON YESTERDAY, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS IN JANUARY,

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UH, FEBRUARY STAFF HAVE PROJECTED TO PARTICIPATE IN 10 EVENTS, INCLUDING THE PAPA RESOURCE CLINIC EVENT WITH AUSTIN, TRAVIS COUNTY, EMSA, MEETING WITH THE AUSTIN POLICE ASSOCIATION, AND I OBSERVING THE A PD IMMIGRATION, UM, UH, IMMIGRATION FORUM, UH, DATES FOR THE UPCOMING MEETINGS WERE ANNOUNCED TO THE CO THE COMMUNITY COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN SIGNED UP FOR THOSE, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS.

I THINK I MENTIONED THAT, UM, EARLIER.

SO YOU SHOULD BE SEEING THAT IN YOUR INBOX VIA THE, THE NEW LETTERS.

UM, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.

WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS LAST, LAST MONTH.

UH, WE HAD THE FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS GOING ON.

THAT FIRST PHASE OF THIS COMMUNITY EDUCATION PROJECTS HAS CONCLUDED THE PROJECT.

UM, LEAD IS SYNTHESIZING DATA, AND WE'LL PRESENT THE NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF THAT.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK IN THE MARCH MEETING AND, AND TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF THE KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, THERE WAS SOME MEDIA.

I, UM, RYAN WOULD HAVE SENT YOU THE LINKS AS WELL TO SOME OF THE MEDIA THAT THE A PO ENGAGED IN.

UM, IN FEBRUARY, IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEDIATION, UH, PROGRAM.

WE DID AN INTERVIEW WITH KUT, UM, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, UH, KEVIN MASTERS DID AN INTERVIEW WITH THE STATE STATESMEN.

THOSE LINKS ARE IN YOUR, YOUR IN INBOX.

UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WAS A PO, UM, THERE WAS A MEMO IN RESPONSE TO A COUNCIL, UH, REQUEST RELATED TO OUR ANNUAL REPORT.

AND SO THAT LINK THERE IS ALSO THERE FOR YOUR REVIEW.

WE ALSO DID AN INTERVIEW WITH, UH, A MEDIA INTERVIEW RELATED TO THE SIXTH STREET MEMO MEMORANDUM RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MADE.

SO THERE WAS SOME MEDIA RELATED TO TO THAT INCIDENT.

IN TERMS OF POLICY HIGHLIGHTS, UM, A PO SERVES ON THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT'S POLICY REVIEW COMMITTEE.

UM, THAT IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT WE DID.

WE SERVE AS A NON-VOTING MEMBER.

UH, STAFF ATTENDED ITS VERY FIRST COMMITTEE MEETING TO DISCUSS SEVERAL POLICIES UNDER REVISION.

UH, WE BELIEVE THIS PROCESS REALLY ENHANCES THE QUALITY AND DEPTH OF THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN A PD AND OPO DURING THE POLICY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WE'RE NOW SITTING ON THAT COMMITTEE AND HAVING THAT INPUT IN REAL TIME.

UM, COMMANDER BERGSON EXTENDED THE INVITATION TO US TO, UH, TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE, AND WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.

UH, A PO HAS PROVIDED, UM, UH, OUR FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF THE IMMIGRATION POLICY WITH THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR POLICY TEAM HAS.

AND SO THAT FEED HAD FEEDBACK HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THEM.

THERE ARE SOME UPCOMING, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAINING.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I PROVIDED THAT THAT, BUT I'LL PROVIDE THOSE, THOSE LINKS FOR FOR YOU.

UH, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME TRAINING IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TRAINING.

UH, IF THOSE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN, UH, ATTENDING.

THERE'S ONE IN MAY, UH, ONE IN JUNE AT THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN AUSTIN.

IT'S JUNE 3RD TO THE FIFTH.

AND WE'LL PROVIDE THESE DATES FOR YOU, OR WE, WE HAVE, UM, THERE IS ONE IN CALIFORNIA.

UM, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU AS WELL.

WE'LL PROVIDE THE LINK.

UH, IT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN MAY FROM MAY 11TH AND MAY 13TH.

IT'S A COMMUNICATION SCHOOL IN PALM SPRINGS.

UH, I THINK WE ALREADY MADE YOU AWARE OF THE NA NICOLE TRAINING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER IN KENTUCKY.

AND SO THERE ARE SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL TRAININGS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT.

AND THAT'S ALL OUR UPDATES.

WELCOME.

CAN WE GET A WRITTEN COPY OF YOUR COMMENTS? YES.

YES, SIR.

COMMISSIONER AGREES.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

BE RECOGNIZED.

OR THE REVISIONS THAT THEY'VE MADE TO THE POLICY OUR POLICY ANALYST HAS, AND WE'VE PROVIDED THAT FEEDBACK TO THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UH, COMMISSIONER MCCANN, CAN WE GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU SENT REGARDING THE AUSTIN POLICE, UM, ENGAGEMENT WITH ICE THAT YOU SAID YOU, UH, HAD SUBMITTED OVER TO THEM? ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE POLICY WHERE WE MADE OUR RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF THE POLICY? YES.

SO THAT POLICY IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.

AND SO, UH, IT HAS NOT BEEN, UH, RELEASED.

THE POLICY IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.

SO WE'VE JUST PROVIDED OUR FEEDBACK TO THE AUSTIN POLICE.

SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THE PROVISIONS

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BUT AGAIN, THE POLICY IS STILL UNDER REVIEW AT THIS TIME.

LOOK, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, CAN, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO ALSO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS SAID SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, SO IT'S NOT JUST YOU AND AUSTIN POLICE, BUT ALSO OUR COMMISSION, UM, HAVING SOME SAY.

SO ALSO, UH, WE, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RELATIONSHIP IS BETWEEN YOU AND AUSTIN POLICE, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME INSIGHT AND ALSO INPUT, UM, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE BEFORE ANYTHING DOES GET CODIFIED.

'CAUSE AS WE CAN SEE BY THE TURNOUT TODAY, IT SEEMS TO BE A REALLY BIG ISSUE.

UNDERSTOOD, SIR.

AND WE CAN DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.

FOR DISCUSSIONS, UH, ARE INTIMATELY RELATED.

THE NEXT, UH, TWO ITEMS, UH,

[Items 4 & 5]

UH, THEY WERE SET SEPARATELY BECAUSE I GUESS WE WANNA GIVE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS ON ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE GENERAL ORDER.

BUT THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERACTION WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE TRANSFER OF, UH, TO THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES.

AND QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, APDS AUTHORITY.

UM, THIS, FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, PRESENT HERE, UH, FROM THE P'S REPRESENTATIVE.

AND I'M NOT SURE YOU'VE HEARD INITIAL, INITIAL, UM, STATEMENTS, BUT YEAH.

BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE, IF THERE'S, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? BECAUSE THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ADDED.

I KNOW THAT, FOR INSTANCE, THAT YOU, YOU HAD A, WE HAD A EARLIER MEETING.

THE CITY INVITED THE, THE COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH THE POLICE CHIEF THIS ITEM, AND I WAS THERE.

AND SO WHAT'S SOME OF THE OTHER, I THINK A FEW OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, UH, IT WASN'T QUITE A, JUST A ADMIRABLE DISCUSSION.

IT WAS A LOT OF SHOUTING.

SO SOME US MAY, MAY NOT HAVE HEARD ALL THE DETAILS OF THE POLICE, UH, POSITION.

SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REPHRASE THAT SO THE COMMUNITY CAN KNOW WHERE ULTIMATE POLICE STANDS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

UH, LISA DAVIS, CHIEF OF POLICE.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE, THANK YOU FOR, FOR HAVING ME.

I'M, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE AND CERTAINLY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

AND THESE WERE ALL VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PASSION AROUND THIS.

UM, I FEEL IT, UM, NOT ONLY HERE, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, WE, WE, WE KNOW THAT WE SEE IT.

UM, AND THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING TO OUR POLICY ARE GOING TO REFLECT THAT.

I THINK, UM, TO GAIL'S POINT, THEY'VE SEEN, UM, AGAIN, A LOT OF EYES HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE HAVE SEEN THESE, UM, THESE CHANGES.

THEY'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS THERE.

THEY'VE, THEY'VE OFFERED RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, SO IT HAS BEEN AROUND AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THE HOPE IS TO GET IT INTO, UM, ACTION HERE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

UM, BUT WITH THAT, THOSE CHANGES OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY, ONCE THE, UM, WE HAD THE FEMALE AND THE, THE CHILD THAT WERE DEPORTED ONCE THAT HAPPENED, UM, UNDER AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE IMMEDIATELY THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR TRAINING THROUGH OUR, UH, TRAINING BULLETIN, UM, MASS EMAILS SHOW UP AT ROLL CALL SHOW UP, UM, THAT HAPPENS.

SO THE CHANGES ARE OCCURRING AS FAR AS THE WAY WE HANDLE THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS.

UM, AS FAR AS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, ASKING ABOUT, UM, DUTY TO INTERVENE, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNDER STATE LAW THAT OFFICERS, WE DO HAVE A DUTY TO INTERVENE WHEN WE SEE EXCESSIVE FORCE, WHEN WE SEE, UM, CRIMES BEING COMMITTED.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING.

AND THEN THE ABLE TRAINING THAT WE HAVE ACTIVE BYSTANDER, UM, FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE ABLE TRAINING, UM, THAT OFFICERS RESPOND TO, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT WE'RE TRAINED YEAR ON.

SO THAT TRAINING IS HAPPENING, AND THERE ABSOLUTELY IS AN EXPECTATION NOT ONLY FOR OUR OWN OFFICERS IF THEY WERE TO SEE ILLEGAL, UM, HAPPENINGS WITH A, A PEER, UM, THAT WE DO THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE CITY.

THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING.

UH, CHIEF DAVIS, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

UH, SO WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME WITH REGARDS TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS? WHAT'S THE, THE STATUS OF THAT? SO, ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, UM, WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO ANY OF THOSE.

THOSE AREN'T ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

BUT UNDER SENATE BILL FOUR AND LISTENING TO THE LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR CITY, THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT FALLS UNDER SENATE BILL FOUR.

AND SO WHEN AN OFFICER HAS LEGALLY DETAINED SOMEONE, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY BEING DETAINED FOR ANOTHER REASON, A CRIMINAL, MAYBE A CRIM CRIMINAL REASON, AND IT'S COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THEY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT.

IF WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY FURTHER ACTION, SAY WE'RE JUST ISSUING A CITATION,

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UM, WE WILL THEN, THAT WILL THEN FALL INTO, IF THE OFFICER, THE OFFICER MAY, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO CALL ICE.

AND THE MAJORITY OF TIMES OUR OFFICERS ARE NOT CALLING ICE, BUT IF THEY DO DECIDE TO CALL ICE AND SAY, WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, THAT OFFICER WOULD THEN CALL, UM, A DUTY CHIEF WHO WOULD THEN MAKE THAT DECISION ON WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE STICKING AROUND FOR THAT ICE AGENT TO SHOW UP.

AND AGAIN, THE PRIORITY AND THAT BEING A COMMANDER, SO THE PRIORITY CERTAINLY THAT, THAT'S COMING FROM ME AND THE EXECUTIVE STAFF IS WE ARE AN AGENCY THAT'S, UH, CRITICALLY UNDERSTAFFED AND CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE CIVIL WARRANT FOR, FOR ICE TO SHOW UP.

SO ONCE WE CLEAR THAT SCENE, IF WE CLEAR THAT SCENE, AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE THE DE THE DECISION OF THAT COMMANDER, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.

UM, THE OFFICER WOULD THEN CLEAR THE SCENE AT THAT POINT.

SO THE, THE OFFICER AT THE SCENE WOULD CALL THEIR COMMANDER FIRST BEFORE THEY WOULD CALL ICE.

NO, THEY WOULD CALL, THEY, THEY WOULD CALL ICE AND THEN THEY WOULD CALL US TO LET US KNOW, BECAUSE UNDER SENATE BILL BEFORE, WE CANNOT REASONABLY RESTRICT THEM FROM DOING SO.

BUT AGAIN, THE AMOUNT OF CALLS YOU IMAGINE IN 20 OR FEBRUARY OF 2025, OVER 700,000 OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS WERE PUT IN BY ICE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND SO OFFICERS ARE COMING ACROSS THESE THAT THEY'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE.

AND SO JUST SINCE FEBRUARY, 2025, IT SUSPICIOUSLY LOOKS VERY SIMILAR, I BELIEVE, TO, TO A DETAINER WARRANT.

THE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS ARE VERY SIMILAR.

SO BOTH WARRANTS ARE SAYING WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE CALL ICE AT THIS NUMBER.

AND SO THE OFFICERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FOLLOW THAT, THAT'S THE POINT IS IT WAS IMPERATIVE FOR US TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO, UM, ENSURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DETAINER AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT.

SO THIS WASN'T ANYTHING FROM OUR OFFICE TO PUSH OFFICERS TO DO THIS MORE.

IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE.

IT WAS, THIS IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS A CIVIL DETAINER, THIS IS NOT, THIS A CIVIL WARRANT.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A DETAINER.

AND HOW THEY CAN PROCEED WITH THAT IF THEY CHOOSE TO CALL ICE AGAIN, STAYING IN, UM, IN SYNC WITH SENATE BILL FOUR, ASK A QUESTION FOR ME.

UH, PART OF THE CONFUSION IS IT SEEMS THAT, UH, THE ORDER IN WHICH THIS, THE OFFICER PROCEEDS, WHETHER HE CALLS ICE FIRST OR HE CALLS HIS COMMANDER FIRST, RIGHT? IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR WHY HE COULD NOT CALL HIS COMMANDER FIRST.

AND I'LL TELL YOU, AS A CITIZEN, I WOULD PREFER IF WE PRIORITIZE OTHER THINGS.

AND I THINK A COMMANDER'S IN A, IN A BETTER POSITION TO TELL THAT OFFICER, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT? I NEED YOU SOMEWHERE ELSE MORE, UH, ET CETERA.

AND SO IT'S NO, NO.

QUITE WHY IT'S THE, THE PROCESS IS CALL ICE FIRST AND THEN CALL THE COMMANDER, RATHER.

OR IF IT'S OPTIONAL, DOES, DOES THE OFFICER HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I CALL MY MY COMMANDER FIRST TO MAKE SURE I, UM, I KNOW HOW TO PROCEED.

THIS IS ADVICE WE'RE GETTING TO STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH SENATE BILL FOUR.

AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF OFFICERS ARE NOT TAKING THAT STEP TO CALL ICE, BUT IF ONE DECIDES TO, DECIDES TO DO SO, THESE ARE THE STEPS THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE TO, TO, UM, MONITOR THAT.

AND AGAIN, TO, TO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WAS HERE, THERE IS, WE GIVE QUARTERLY TO THE COUNCIL.

THERE IS QUARTERLY AND, AND IT'S ON, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PUBLIC CITED IS, UM, CHIEF OF STAFF ROGERS MAY KNOW, BUT WE GIVE, WE DOCUMENT EVERY INTERACTION WE HAVE WHERE ICE IS CALLED THAT IS DOCUMENTED.

UM, AND WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH A DETAINER THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING SOMEONE TO JAIL, THAT IS GIVEN TO COUNSEL QUARTERLY.

SO THAT IS BEING CAPTURED AND, AND THAT IS PUT OUT ON A WEBSITE.

SO THAT IS A PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

BUT SO THE FORCED ORDER IS FOR THEM TO CALL ICE FIRST AND THEN THEN CALL.

IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT, THEN THEY WILL, THEN THEY WILL.

AS FAR AS WAITING, THEY WILL THEN BRING THAT UP TO A COMMANDER TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

'CAUSE IT SEEMED TO, SOME OF US, LIKE I SAID, THAT PART OF THE DUTIES OF THE COMMANDER WAS TO HELP PRIORITIZE HOW THE FORCE, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SHORT OF OFFICERS, WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO DO THE, JUST THE REGULAR THING.

SO THE HOPE WAS THAT COMMANDERS CAN HELP PRIORITIZE THAT BY SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? AND THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT IS, THAT IS MY HOPE IS, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE, UM, AS AN AGENCY.

AND IT IS NOT, WE HAVE MANY THINGS THAT WE WOULD RATHER DO THAT WE NEED TO DO.

UM, AS AN AGENCY.

SO THAT IS, THAT IS EXACTLY WHY.

BUT EACH OFFICER HAS THE DISCRETION CORRECT.

ON WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO CALL THAT IS CORRECT OR NOT.

CORRECT.

WITH THIS UNDERSTANDING THE IRONY, I MEAN, OF, OF TELLING PEOPLE TO FILL TO, TO CALL US MM-HMM .

AND THEN WHAT ARE, WHAT IS A PD DOING TO PROACTIVELY GET THIS MESSAGE INTO THE COMMUNITIES THAT NEED TO HEAR THIS MESSAGE? YEAH, I, I, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS LEARNING IS MEETING WITH THE HISPANIC LEADERS, MEETING WITH ALA, MEETING WITH, UM, THE CHURCHES, ALL OF THOSE GROUPS.

AND WE'RE DOING THAT.

AND SO WE HAVE A, A MEETING, I BELIEVE MARCH 11TH WITH A LARGE GROUP TO KIND OF GO OVER THE GENERAL ORDERS AND HOW THAT'S LOOKING, AS WELL AS HOW WE GET THAT INFORMATION OUT.

AND ANOTHER THING WE DID FROM THOSE MEETING IS HOW DO WE CREATE, 'CAUSE WE KNOW THIS IS A, THIS IS A, A GROUP OF, OF, UM, AUSTINITES THAT ARE SO UNDER-REPORTED CRIME ANYWAY, RIGHT? THEY DON'T REPORT CRIME, UM, OR THE VICTIMIZATION.

AND SO HOW DO WE, AGAIN,

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AND THIS IS HAPPENING.

SO HOW CAN WE LOOK OUTSIDE THE BOX, STEP OUTSIDE THE BOX, AND HOW CAN WE, UM, ENSURE PEOPLE TO, TO TRUST US TO CALL? AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR VICTIM SERVICES UNIT.

AUSTIN IS VERY FORTUNATE.

WE HAVE OVER 52, UM, VICTIM SERVICES, UM, UH, ASSISTANTS HERE.

AND, AND YOU THINK ABOUT SOCIAL WORKERS AND ALL THE PEOPLE FROM VICTIMS OF CRIME AND CREATING, UM, A SPACE WHERE IF SOMEONE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS CRIME THAT MAY NOT BE ACTIVE.

SO SAY YOU'RE A VICTIM OF AN ASSAULT AND AN HOUR LATER, THE VICTIM'S, THE, THE SUSPECT'S NOT THERE, IT'S SAFE FOR YOU TO CALL.

THEY COULD CALL A VICTIM SERVICE PERSON WHO WILL THEN KIND OF ACT AS AN IN-BETWEEN INTERMEDIARY BEFORE WE'RE FILING A POLICE REPORT AND MAKE THEM FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT ABOUT REPORTING CRIME TO THE POLICE.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT AS WELL.

AND THEN HOW DO WE TAKE A STEP, CERTAINLY UNDER CERTAIN CRIMES, UM, THAT COULD FIT UNDER THE U-VISA, UM, PROCESS AND HOW WE COULD GO AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DELAY PEOPLE THAT WANNA REPORT AND WANT TO, UM, ASSIST WITH PROSECUTION, ASSIST WITH THE INVESTIGATIONS OF THEIR CRIMES.

WHAT IS THE U VISA PROCESS? THE U VISA IS CER FOR CERTAIN CRIMES.

SO YOU'RE THINKING OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, ROBBERIES, YOU'RE MORE VIOLENT CRIMES, UM, THAT FALL UNDER, THERE'S A PROCESS WHERE IF YOU COOPERATE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR, UM, THAT CRIME, YOU CAN STAY IN THE, THE, IT WILL HELP YOU GET A VISA TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY.

ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND MORE IMPACTFUL AT THAT MEETING WAS THE TESTIMONY OF A YOUNG, UH, WOMAN'S, AND SHE SPOKE IN SPANISH, AND I GUESS THE BEST, BUT THE BEST, MY TRANSLATION WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LEAVING OUR FATE AT THE WHIM OF A POLICE OFFICER WHETHER TO CALL OR NOT, AND BECAUSE THERE'S NO LAW TO PROTECT US.

AND THAT'S, THAT WAS A, THAT'S A HARD STATEMENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I SAID, NO, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW YOU MAY BE, THE AUSTIN POLICE MAY BE TIED BY STATE LAW AND SO FORTH, BUT THAT IS AT THE HEART OF SOME OTHER, IS THAT IT'S STILL, WE'RE STILL RELYING ON THE WHIM OF, YOU KNOW, JUST AN OFFICER, WHETHER HE DECIDES TO CALL OR NOT.

AND SO THAT MAKES THE COMMUNITY MORE SCARED, 'CAUSE AND VULNERABLE.

AND SO IT NEEDS TO BE SAID.

UH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THOSE IMMEDIATE CHANGES THAT YOU SAID YOU MADE AFTER THAT INCIDENT ARE? BECAUSE I HEARD THAT YOU SAID THAT THEIR IMMEDIATE CHANGES AND THEN YOU SHIFTED INTO STATE LAW.

SO I DON'T WANT CONFLATE THE TWO.

THERE'S IMMEDIATE CHANGES OF BEING THAT THEY WILL NOTIFY A COMMANDER.

UM, THEY, ONCE THAT DECISION, IF THEY DO MAKE THAT DECISION, THEN IT WILL THEN RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A COMMANDER TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

SO WHAT WAS IT BE, WHAT WAS IT BEFORE? UM, THAT JUST A SUPERVISOR, I BELIEVE A SERGEANT THEY COULD NOTIFY.

PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO REPORT.

SO IT ESCALATED FROM A SERGEANT TO A COMMAND.

AND WHERE DOES THAT INFORMATION GO? SO THEY'RE NOTIFYING THAT, HEY, I CA I JUST CALLED ICE.

AND THEN WHAT? SO IT'S CAPTURED.

SO IT'S A FORM LEAD.

YOU WANNA TELL IS THERE THE, THE FORM NUMBER WE ACTUALLY FILL OUT? SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO, TO WRITE A POLICY, UH, TO WRITE A REPORT.

SO WHETHER OR NOT THE OFFICER MAKES THAT DETENTION OR NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WRITE THE REPORT.

THOSE ARE WHAT WE USE TO, TO REPORT OUT TO COUNSEL ON THE QUARTERLY BASIS.

UM, BUT IN THE PAST THERE WAS JUST A REQUIREMENT TO NOTIFY A SUPERVISOR AND, AND GET THAT.

AT THIS POINT WE'VE, WE'VE PUT IN PLACE THAT REQUIREMENT THAT THEY CONTACT, UH, THE DUTY COMMANDER WHO WILL THEN LOOK AT WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE AND THEN BE THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER ON THAT.

AND THEN THAT SUPERVISOR AND THE OFFICER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WRITING A REPORT TO DOCUMENT, UH, THAT INTERACTION AND THEN WHAT DECISION WAS REACHED, AND THEN WHICH OF THOSE ITEMS THAT THEY LOOKED AT, THE RESOURCES, WHETHER THIS WAS A VICTIM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, IN ORDER TO DOCUMENT THAT.

AND THOSE ARE WHAT WE PUT IN PLACE THROUGH OUR OPERATIONAL BULLETIN, UH, WITHIN, UM, PROBABLY LESS THAN A WEEK AFTER THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED IN VERY EARLY JANUARY.

SO, UM, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT, UM, SINCE THEN, SINCE WE'VE PUT THIS PROCESS IN PLACE.

SO OKAY.

WE'RE DOCUMENTING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT? SO WE, WE LOGGED IT, WE KNOW SOMETHING HAPPENED.

GOT IT.

SO THE, AND THEIR SUPERVISOR COLLABORATED WITH THEM AFTER THEY REPORT.

WHAT'S THE FOLLOW ON AFTER THAT? OR IS IT JUST, OKAY, WE LOGGED IT BECAUSE JUST COLLECTING DATA DOESN'T REALLY BRING ABOUT CHANGE.

WE JUST KNOW THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED AND IT'S DATE AND TIMESTAMP.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE UP AND JUST EVEN MY FELLOW RESIDENCE IS

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PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO ENGAGE WITH THE POLICE.

THIS IS AFFECTING COMMUNITY POLICE RELATIONSHIPS.

HOW IS CAPTURING DATA, WHEN YOU SAY BY STATE LAW, THE OFFICER HAS AUTONOMY TO GO AHEAD AND REPORT AND THEN NOTIFY HOW IS THAT REALLY EFFECTUATING CHANGE AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BUILD THAT TRUST? I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THESE SECONDARY, TERTIARY SERVICES WHERE THEY CAN REACH OUT TO THESE ADVOCATES AND THEN THEY CAN HELP THEM REPORT, BUT THAT DOESN'T DEAL WITH THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM, WHICH IS PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO REPORT BECAUSE THERE'S AN AGENCY DETAINING PEOPLE OR ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO BE DETAINED BECAUSE OF NON-JUDICIAL WARRANTS.

SO HOW DOES CAPTURING THAT ACTUALLY TURN INTO ACTION IS WHAT I'M, I'M MISSING? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CAPTURE THIS, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHETHER ICE SHOWED UP, WHETHER ICE DIDN'T SHOW UP, UM, WHAT, AND THAT'S CAPTURED AS WELL.

BUT I THINK THIS GOES BEYOND, UM, THAT QUESTION IS HOW DO WE SET UP, UM, AGAIN, AREAS WHERE PEOPLE CAN FEEL CONFIDENT TO REPORT CRIME? WE ARE A VICTIM CENTERED AGENCY, AND YOU LOOK AT CRIME AND YOU LOOK AT THE WAY WE REPORT, WE DO NOT ASK, UM, IMMIGRATION STATUS OF ANYBODY.

WE DO NOT ASK THAT.

UM, EVEN IN LOOKING AT THE VIDEO VIDEO CAMERA OF, UH, THE, THE LADY AND THE, THE CHILD THAT WERE DEPORT, NOT ONE TIME DID IT COME UP WHAT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS WAS.

THAT WAS NEVER ASKED.

SO WE DON'T DO THAT.

AND WHEN WE RESPOND TO A VICTIM CALL, UNLESS THERE'S SOME CRIMINALITY OR THERE'S A NEED TO RUN THAT INDIVIDUAL, THAT PERSON'S NOT BEING RAN TO GET THAT IMMIGRATION STATUS.

AND SO THOSE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN PLACE.

AND I DO FEEL, AGAIN, RISING THIS TO A LEVEL, TO A COMMANDER WHO'S MAKING THAT DECISION, TAKING THAT OUT OF THE HANDS, YES, AN OFFICER MAY DO THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE CAPTURED.

IT'S GONNA BE CAPTURED WHO IT WAS THAT ASKED WHEN THEY ASK.

AND THAT WILL BE, WE WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE DECISION'S ALREADY BEEN MADE.

THEY'VE ALREADY CALLED THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEING REACTIVE.

NOW, I TOLD MY SUPERVISOR, BUT ICE HAS STILL BEEN CALLED, WHETHER OR NOT THAT COMMANDER SAYS STAY ON SCENE OR HOLD THEM OR WHATEVER, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION.

BUT THE ACTION HAS ALREADY BEEN CALLED.

SO IF I'M A OFFICER AND I HAVE A CERTAIN FEELING OR SENTIMENT, WHETHER IT'S POLITICAL OR PERSONAL ABOUT A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE REPORTED, YOU, YOU'RE EMPOWERING ME AND GIVING ME THE AUTONOMY TO REPORT THEM.

AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING ME TO REPORT THAT YOU REPORTED, THAT IS WHAT WILL STILL ALLOW FOR THE FEAR AND THE LACK OF INTERACTION AND TRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITIZENS TO PREVAIL.

IS THAT I, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO GO AGAINST STATE LAW, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS BECAUSE STATE LAW IS BEING USED AS A ENABLING DEVICE OR JUSTIFICATION TO DO THESE SORT OF ACTIONS ON AN OFFICER BY OFFICER BASIS, ALL OFFICERS ARE GONNA GET PAINTED WITH A BROAD PAINTBRUSH.

MM-HMM.

AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHO YOU CAN TRUST.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOUR POLICY IS NOT TO ASK THOSE STATUS, THE STATUSES, HOWEVER THOSE WARRANTS SHOW UP IN THE SYSTEM, WHETHER YOU ASK THE QUESTION OR NOT.

AM I CORRECT? SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ASK THE QUESTION AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CALL ICE.

IT IS, THERE'S ALREADY AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL, AND THEN THIS OFFICER CHOOSES TO ACT ON IT.

SO WHETHER OR NOT YOU ASK THE QUESTION IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THE DATA IS ALREADY THERE AND IT'S THERE FOR THEM TO SEE, AND THEN THEY DECIDE TO TAKE ACTION.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I I'M SAYING THAT? NO, I TOTALLY, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I DO, AND YOU ARE CORRECT.

THERE ARE THERE, THERE MAY BE OFFICERS THAT ABSOLUTELY FEEL THAT THIS IS WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO DO, AND SENATE BILL FOUR DOES ALLOW FOR THAT.

SO HOW DO WE, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TRAINING BEHIND THIS, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING IS BRINGING OFFICERS IN FOR IN-SERVICE TRAINING, TWO DAYS OF IN-SERVICE TRAINING.

AND THIS IS IN-SERVICE, UM, IN-PERSON TRAINING AT THE ACADEMY THAT IS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STATE MANDATED THINGS, BUT ALSO WHAT WE AS AN AGENCY, WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.

IMMIGRATION WILL BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT.

AND WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT IS, WHAT A DETAINER IS, HOW WE'RE, WHAT OUR GOALS ARE AS A, AS AN AGENCY, AND WHAT SENATE BILL FOUR MEANS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, I, IT DOES TIE THE HANDS OF CERTAINLY POLICE CHIEFS THROUGHOUT THIS STATE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS SENATE BILL, AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

RUSSELL? UH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION AND, AND, AND FOR, UH, FOR A PD AS WELL, WHERE, WHERE CAN I GO TO EDUCATE MYSELF AS A COMMISSIONER ON WHAT A PD IS LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO WITH WITH ICE? YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY DO COME ACROSS SOMEONE WHO IS UNDOCUMENTED AND, UH, AND WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO AND WHAT THEIR PROCEDURES ARE, WHERE CAN I GO TO EDUCATE MYSELF? IS IT ALL IN SENATE BILL FOUR? I THINK SENATE BILL FOUR IS A GOOD ONE.

WOULD IT BE COMMISSIONER RUSSELL HAD HER HAND UP? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER

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AND THEN OUR POLICIES ARE ONLINE THAT YOU CAN REVIEW AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THAT, UM, THE GENERAL ORDERS FOR IMMIGRATION WILL BE CHANGING, UM, THAT IS ANOTHER PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO AND, AND, AND FREELY LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

IT'S IN THE GENERAL ORDERS AS WELL.

UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT STATE LAW IS KIND OF PUTTING A LOCAL POLICE FORCE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, UH, AND GIVE, MAKING YOUR JOB HARDER IN SOME RESPECTS, UH, GIVING YOU THINGS TO FOCUS ON AND DEAL WITH THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE FOCUS OF WHAT WE DECIDED ON LOCALLY.

SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I RESPECT THAT.

IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE A CULTURE THAT'S GOING TO PREVENT SOME ROGUE ACTIVITY, UH, OUTSIDE OF A PD AND, UH, YES.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

AND I, I DO WANNA SAY THIS.

WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL OFFICERS WITHIN A PD WHOSE OWN FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE BEEN, UM, AFFECTED BY THIS AND, AND REMOVED BY ICE.

SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, IT, IT IS AFFECTING EVERYBODY.

AND SO AS WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REMEMBER THAT AS WELL.

BUT IT IS A CULTURAL, UH, THING, AGAIN, WHILE WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THE LAW OF SENATE BILL FOUR.

I HAVE TO SAY, GO AHEAD.

MY COMMENT ON REGARDING THAT IS, ONE OF THE REASONS I BROUGHT THIS IS BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR CHANGE AND SO FORTH, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS, WHAT IS IN YOUR CONTROL.

AND I KNOW AT THAT MEETING, ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT YOU SHOULD, UH, DEFY STATE LAW AND, UH, CHALLENGE IT.

AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NOT TO DO THAT .

WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW, HOW DO WE DO, HOW DO WE MAKE THESE CHANGES, UM, WITHIN THE LAW AND BE SMART ABOUT IT.

RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

UM, I'D LOVE, YOU KNOW, MANY OF US WOULD LOVE TO GET OUT AND WE ALL WANNA BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS, AND WE ALL WANT TO, YOU KNOW, STAND UP AND BEAT OUR CHEST AT, AT SOME THINGS.

BUT THE REALITY IS WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS AS WE WORK WITHIN IT.

AND WE, WE SET POLICIES IN PLACE AND I FEEL THAT THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.

SO THE WAY TO CHANGE IT IS TO VOTE.

I HAVE A FOLLOW ON QUESTION.

UM, AND THAT IS, WHILE STAYING UNDER THE PARAMETERS OF THE LAW AND EVERYONE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, AND IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO REPORT OR NOT, HOW DO WE MESSAGE TO THE CITIZENS THAT WHAT THE ACTUAL POLICY AND RELATIONSHIP IS OF THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH FEDERAL OFFICIALS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M NOT REALLY HEARING THAT.

I'M JUST HEARING WE'RE INSTRUCTING THEM TO CONTACT THE COMMANDER.

AND THIS IS NOT IN OUR LIST OF PRIORITIES.

AND THEY MAY BE TOLD TO LET THOSE PEOPLE GO OR WHATEVER BE BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT VERSUS A JUDICIAL WARRANT.

BUT I'M NOT HEARING WHAT YOUR ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP IS WITH THOSE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES.

IS IT SYMBIOTIC? IS IT COLLABORATIVE? IS IT MUTUALLY SUPPORTIVE? UM, IS IT WE DO WHAT'S WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AND THEY DO WHAT'S IN THEIR PURVIEW? I I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THE RELATIONSHIP ACTUALLY WORKS WITH THIS AGENCY.

WE, WE DO NOT DO OPERATIONS WITH ICE.

UM, UNDER SENATE BILL FOUR, IF THEY WERE TO CALL AND ASK, WE NEED TRAFFIC BLOCKED, WE NEED, UM, THIS, THIS DONE.

AND WE, IF WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, WE HAVE TO SEND THOSE TO DO THOSE THINGS.

BUT WE DO NOT DO ICE OPERATIONS, UH, WITH THEM WHERE IMMIGRATION IS INVOLVED WITH ICE.

SO YOU DON'T OPERATE DIRECTLY WITH ICE AND LIKE JOINT NO.

OPERATIONS.

NO.

BUT IF THEY NEEDED LOCAL SUPPORT AND IT WAS AVAILABLE THEN BY SENATE BILL, YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO GIVE THAT SUPPORT.

SO WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERSTAFFED.

AND THEN TO UNDERSTAND AVAILABILITY, WHAT IS YOUR AUTHORIZED LEVEL, UH, AS FAR AS POLICE OFFICERS, AND WHAT DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE AS FAR AS STAFFING? I THINK AVAILABILITY.

AND WE LOOK LIKE, WHAT DO WE NEED ANOTHER 400 OFFICERS ON PATROL ALONE.

LEE, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY CLOSE NUMBER.

CLOSE ENOUGH.

THE, THE ENFORCEMENT OF ICE PRIORITIES IS VERY LOW AS COMPARED TO YOUR ROLE IN SERVICING THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE BECAUSE THE BANDWIDTH AND CAPACITY THAT YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

SO IT WOULD BE SUFFICE TO SAY THAT WITH THAT UNDERSTAFFING AND WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, THAT

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THAT'S EXACTLY IT.

CAN I HAVE YOU, I THINK YOU'RE MUTED, CARLOS.

SORRY, .

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING IMPORTANT THERE.

AND I, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU MENTIONED IT BEFORE, WHAT AND WHAT CAN AND CANNOT, UH, POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD NOT, UH, ASK FOR.

AND, UM, THERE WAS ONE OF THE, I GUESS MR. MR. HUNT HAD WHO FROM AUSTIN JUSTICE COLLISION HAD REQUEST SPECIFICALLY, UM, SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

AND FROM MY, PER MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, I HAVE SEEN, I WOULD TELL YOU, I HAVE SEEN IN REVIEWING SOME OF OUR CASES WHERE SOMETIMES POLICE OFFICERS STOP SOMEONE DRUNK, SUSPECTED OF DRUNK AND ASK FOR LICENSE OR PASSPORT.

AND WHEN I HEAR PASSPORT, TO ME, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONABLE INQUIRY ON THAT, THAT BORDERS ON IMMIGRATION STATUS AND SO FORTH.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT ALL YOU ASK FOR IS IDENTIFICATION AND, AND, UH, AND THAT IF YOU GO THROUGH THAT, THE PROCESS THERE, YOU'RE INFORMING THEM INFORMING THEM OF THEIR RIGHTS AS A FOREIGN NATIONAL, WHICH I THINK IT'S, IF, IF THEY, UH, IF, IF ONE FINDS OUT THAT THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE IDENTIFICATION AND, UH, AND IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, THEY CAN'T PROLONG THE DETENTION.

SO I'M LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIMITATIONS ON THAT GENERAL ORDER AND WHAT THE OFFICIAL POSITIONS ARE.

I KNOW SOME IS CHANGING, BUT MAYBE TELL ME WHAT'S NEW.

SO I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS.

UH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN OUR PRACTICE TO NOT FOCUS ON IMMIGRATION STATUS.

UH, AS CHIEF DESCRIBED, WE ARE, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY VICTIM CENTRIC.

UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IS IDENTIFY THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WE'RE TALKING TO, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DEALS WITH, UH, A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

WHETHER THAT BE AS SIMPLE AS A TRAFFIC CITATION, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THAT INDIVIDUAL.

SO I THINK THAT WHEN ASKING FOR A DRIVER'S LICENSE, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE, UH, BUT SEEKING SOME SORT OF IDENTIFICATION, OFTENTIMES A PASSPORT MAY BE A TYPE OF IDENTIFICATION THAT IS A VALID IDENTIFICATION THAT WOULD POSITIVELY IDENTIFY WHO AN INDIVIDUAL IS AT THE SCENE, BE ABLE TO FINISH THAT TRAFFIC STOP WITHOUT DELAY, TO NOT PROLONG THAT DETENTION, AS YOU DESCRIBED, GET THAT INFORMATION, ISSUE THAT CITATION, AND MOVE THEM ALONG THEIR WAY.

POLICY DOES ALLOW TO INQUIRE FOR IMMIGRATION STATUS UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE OFFICER LET THE INDIVIDUAL KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO, TO RELEASE THAT INFORM, TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, UM, TO THE OFFICER.

BUT IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A FUNCTION MORE OF POSITIVELY IDENTIFYING WHO THE INDIVIDUAL IS WHEN THEY DON'T POSSESS SOMETHING LIKE A STATE DRIVER'S LICENSE.

UM, ANY OBJECTION CLARIFICATION? YEAH, I, I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I, MAYBE MR. HUNT IS STILL HERE.

DO YOU WANT TO SPECIFICALLY I GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE SPECIFICALLY CLARIFY WHAT YOUR S CONCERN WAS ABOUT GENERAL ORDER THREE 30? YEAH.

MAY I? YES, PLEASE.

APPROACHED.

UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, PETER HUNT, I'M WITH AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION.

UM, SO GENERAL ORDER THREE 30 RIGHT NOW.

I DID SEE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WENT INTO EFFECT SHORTLY AFTER THIS, UH, INCIDENT IN QUESTION.

AND I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT, UH, COMES OUT.

I THINK THE CHIEF SAID SOMETIME NEXT WEEK.

ISSUE, UM, THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE MUCH STRONGER CLARIFICATION IN THREE 30 ABOUT HOW ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED.

UM, FROM THEIR REVIEW.

'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MORE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT BY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, TEXAS CIVIL RIGHTS PROJECT.

UM, BUT IN PARTICULAR, I THINK THAT PART OF MY CONCERN WITH THREE 30 ALSO GOT AT SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ASKING ABOUT, WHICH IS THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS OF CONTACTING ICE AS OPPOSED TO COMMANDING OFFICERS.

UM, IF THERE REALLY IS GOING TO BE, UH, SORT OF THIS SERIOUS BANDWIDTH

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UM, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT ADDRESSING IMMIGRATION STATUS, BUT, UH, ASKING ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS IS DISTINCT FROM HAVING POLICIES THAT COVER HOW AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT IS GOING TO BE COVERED.

UM, IN PARTICULAR, THESE ARE VERY NEW AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY AND ADDRESSED MORE DIRECTLY IN THREE 30.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF POLICE EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY, BUT THE WAYS IN WHICH ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS ARE BEING INTEGRATED INTO THE SYSTEM DO SEEM NEW AND RELATIVELY RECENT.

AND I THINK THAT THREE 30 SHOULD COVER POLICIES FOR HOW THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INTEGRATED AND HANDLED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

DOES THAT SORT OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, ACTUALLY, UH, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU DID THAT.

'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE ARE, WE ARE WAITING FOR THE NEW ORDERS TO, UH, AS PART OF OUR BEING ON THE COMMISSION, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE 450 PAGES OR WHATEVER AND TRYING TO LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT THE POLICE YEAH.

AND IF I MAY, I DO IT.

THE REASON IN, NO, IN FEBRUARY OF 25 IS WHEN THOSE 700,000 ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS, THOSE HAD NOT BEEN IN THE SYSTEM BEFORE THEN MM-HMM .

AND SO THIS WAS A NEW THING.

SO YOU IMAGINE THAT WAS FEBRUARY, THIS INCIDENT WAS IN WHAT, LATE DECEMBER, EARLY JANUARY, UM, FOR ONE OF THESE INCIDENTS, ONE OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS TO, TO, UM, FOR US TO DEAL WITH.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, GRAVE CONSEQUENCES FROM IT.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LAY OUT THE DIFFERENCES AND IT IS LAID OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY SUCCINCT, VERY DIFFERENT BETWEEN WHAT A DETAINER IS AND WHAT AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT IS.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER FROM OTHER COMMISSIONER? I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER GRAVES.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

YES, CHIEF DAVID.

UH, MY QUESTION GOES TO THE SCENARIO THAT WE HEARD DESCRIBED WHERE SOMEONE WAS TAKEN TO A FACILITY AND THEN HELD WITHOUT SHOWERING AND THEN DETAINED FOR THREE MONTHS.

UM, IS THAT A TYPICAL EXPERIENCE, UM, DEALING WITH IMMIGRATION OR ACTUALLY ANY OF YOUR INTAKE PROCESSES? I, I DON'T KNOW.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A SOMETHING FOR THE SHERIFF.

THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THAT'S 2 36, THAT IS A SHERIFF'S AND A JAIL RULE.

THAT IS NOT ANYTHING THAT PD DEALS WITH.

AND THEN, UM, MY OTHER QUESTION OR CONCERN IS, WE HAVE ELECTIONS COMING UP, BOTH THEY'RE HAPPENING NOW, BUT ALSO IN, UH, NOVEMBER.

WHAT WILL, WHAT SHOULD CITIZENS EXPECT AS FAR AS ICE INTERACTIONS AT POLLING PLACES? AND WILL THAT, OR EVEN IN OUR COURTHOUSES, DO WE HAVE A POLICY THAT WILL PROTECT CITIZENS FROM BEING UNLAWFULLY NOT JUST DETAINED, BUT SCREENED OR AFFECTED ADVERSELY WHERE THEY WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO SHOW UP TO PARTICIPATE IN? BECAUSE, UH, ONE COMMISSIONER SAID, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING, WE SHOULD VOTE.

BUT IF PEOPLE ARE TOO AFRAID TO VOTE, UM, ARE, DO WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS LOCALLY AND POLICY THAT WILL ENSURE THE COMMUNITY THAT IT IS SAFE TO VOTE? I THINK ALL OF OUR POLLING PLACES, IT IS ALWAYS DIRECT TO PATROLS THAT OFFICERS ARE DOING BECAUSE YOU HAVE LARGE CROWDS.

SO OFFICERS MAY BE IN THE AREA AND CERTAINLY NOT GOING TOWARD THE, THE, THE POLLING PLACES, BUT BEING IN THE AREA WHERE THOSE, WHERE THAT IS OCCURRING, I KNOW THAT THE FEDERAL, UM, A FEDERAL OFFICIAL POSTED SOMETHING AT THAT ICE WOULD NOT BE AT POLLING PLACES.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID.

SO AGAIN, THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING HAD, UM, SHERIFFS, THE TRAVIS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ALL OF THOSE, UM, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING HOW, HOW BIG OUR ELECTIONS ARE, A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT.

AND SO THOSE THINGS ARE, YOU'LL SEE OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THOSE SPACES JUST BECAUSE OF THE LARGE CROWDS.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK THOSE, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ON, ON EVERY ELECTION.

NO, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AS YOU TALK ABOUT DUTY TO INTERVENE IN OTHER THINGS, WILL THERE BE CLEAR BOUNDARIES TO ENSURE CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED? AND IT DOESN'T TURN INTO AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT, OF COURSE, LARGE CROWDS, THERE'S GONNA BE A POLICE PRESENCE, BUT THAT THE POLICE ARE THERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE THEM, NOT INTIMIDATE AND DETAIN THEM, IS WHAT I'M ASKING, I GUESS, AS FAR AS GETTING THAT MESSAGE OUT AND DOING A, A GOOD PUBLIC, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

YES, WE COULD DO THAT.

YOU LOOK AT PLACE LIKE MINNESOTA, THAT THERE ARE SOMALI PEOPLE WHO ALSO ARE GETTING PROFILED AND VICTIMIZED.

YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY VITAL TO HELPING RESTORE THE TRUST AND CREDIBILITY JUST BECAUSE IT'S, UM, NOT A NORMAL SERIES OF EVENTS OR TIME, UM, YEP.

THAT MOST OF US HAVE ENDURED.

AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE REACHING OUT TO THE LATIN COMMUNITY, BUT THERE ARE, OBVIOUSLY,

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SO WE NEED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR ALL PEOPLE, UM, JUST BECAUSE EVEN THE VICTIMS OF SOME OF THOSE ICE SHOOTINGS WERE NOT LATIN OR SOMALIAN.

AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE AND ENSURE THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE HERE TO, TO HELP THEM.

REALLY APPRECIATE THIS, THIS, UH, DISCUSSION AS USUAL MUTE WITH SAYING I, I APPRECIATE THE, YOUR PRESENCE.

UM, ITEM SIX, NOW THIS GOES

[6. Discussion of the Case Review Working Group (Commissioners Flood and Cortes), including progress to date, insights, and potential process changes. ]

BACK TO MORE CPRC, UH, ROUTINE WORK.

UH, WE'D LIKE TO JUST DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, WHERE THE PROCESS OF THE WORKING, THE CASE REVIEW WORKING GROUPS ARE.

THAT'S, UH, COMMISSIONER FLO AND CO CORTES.

HOW THINGS GOING IN YOUR TRIAD AND PROCESS? ANY FEEDBACK? UM, MR. MASTERS HAS BEEN DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB OF KEEPING US UPDATED AND GIVING US THE LATEST AND GREATEST INFORMATION.

UM, WE HAVEN'T GOT A GOOD NUMBER TO DO A TRIAGE TRIAGE FOR YET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK INTO OUR NORMAL BATTLE RHYTHM, UM, STARTING IN MARCH.

BUT, UH, SO FAR EVERYTHING IS FLOWING WELL, AND WE'VE DEVELOPED REALLY GOOD SYSTEMS, AND I HOPE THE TEAMS THAT ARE REVIEWING THE CASES, UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FOR US OR YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION OR, UH, WANT TO UNDERSTAND OUR PROCESS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT AND WE CAN, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION IN CASES TO YOU IN THE MOST, UH, EXPEDITIOUS MANNER POSSIBLE.

THIS IS, UH, LEE PETERMAN.

I, I WAS ARE THE CRITERIA FOR HOW YOU TRIAGE THESE PUBLISHED ANYWHERE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID YOU WE CAN, WE CAN DISSEMINATE IT.

IT'S NOT A BLACK BOX AT ALL.

UM, IT'S JUST, UH, IF EVERYTHING'S A PRIORITY, NOTHING'S A PRIORITY.

SO WE LOOK AT HOW SOON IS THIS EXPECTED TO BE ADJUDICATED.

WE LOOK AT HOW SERIOUS THIS OFFENSE IS, AND WE LOOK AT HOW SOON IS IT BEFORE THE, UH, I THINK IT'S 365 DAY PERIOD IS BEFORE THE CASE HAS TO HAVE SOME ACTION, BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALL INDICATORS THAT THAT CASE MAY BE CLOSED.

AND THEN MR. MASTERS IS REALLY GOOD TO SAYING, HEY, THIS CASE IS REALLY HIGH PRIORITY.

WE'RE EXPECTING ACTION TO HAPPEN ON IT REALLY QUICKLY.

YOU NEED TO GET THIS, UM, BEFORE IT CLOSES OUT BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GIVE ANY INPUT.

SO IT'S JUST, SO THAT'S BASICALLY OUR SYSTEM.

UM, BUT THAT'S VERBAL, SO WE'LL DEFINITELY GIVE YOU THE WRITTEN VERSION OF THAT, AND THAT'S HOW WE RATE AND SCORE EVERYTHING.

IF I'M, I'M NOT MISTAKEN, COMMISSIONER FLO, UH, YOU AND COMMISSIONER CORTES HAD A, A WRITTEN, UH, ORIGINAL PROCEDURE OF HOW THAT WAS GONNA BE DONE.

IF YOU COULD FIND THAT AGAIN, JUST AT LEAST COPY TO EVERYBODY, THE REST OF THEM WOULD BE, COULD BE HELPFUL.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

I KNOW, I KNOW SHE HAS 'CAUSE SHE'S REALLY GOOD AT YEAH, NOTE KEEPING.

I'M JUST GOOD AT MAKING THINGS WORK, BUT YEAH, I'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY GET THE INFORMATION.

IS MORE TOWARDS THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS REVIEW WORKING GROUPS.

AND THEN ITEM SEVEN

[7. Discussion of Commissioners’ Review Working Groups A, B, and C regarding their experience reviewing case files, including a brief description of the review process and whether the groups are ready to present the following cases to the full Commission: 19-0792 (Deadly Use of Force), 24-1258 (Use of Force), 25-01308 (Bias-Based Policing), 2025-02113 (Improper Conduct), 2025-2341 (Use of Force), and 2025-2475 (Use of Force). ]

AND JUST TO, TO, UM, SUMMARIZE THE WAY IT WORKS RIGHT NOW IS THERE, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE 11 COMMISSIONERS.

UH, TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS, AS YOU HEARD, ARE, ARE WORKING ON THE TRIAD PORTION.

AND THEN ONCE THEY PRIORITIZE IT, IT'S DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN, UH, WORKING GROUPS.

AND WE HAVE THREE, UH, WORKING GROUPS OF THREE INDIVIDUALS.

AND THE IDEA IS THAT, UH, THE WORKING GROUPS WILL SIT DOWN DELIBERATE, UH, AND, UH, COME TO SOME AGREEMENT ON WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS OF THE CASE AFTER LOOKING AT AP, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND APOS THING.

AND THEN EVENTUALLY BRING THAT TO THE LARGER, UM, BODY FOR US TO DECIDE IF WE, WHETHER WE'LL MAKE A GENERAL RECOMMENDATION, AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE, THE, THE THING, THE INTENT LONG TERM IS THAT THIS IS DONE BEFORE THE POLICE CHIEF HAS TO RULE ON THE DISCIPLINARY ACTION SO THAT THEY WILL HAVE THAT INPUT AND BE ABLE TO USE OUR INPUTS.

UH, IN TURN WE'VE SO, SO FAR BEHIND THAT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

MOST OF THE ONES WE REVIEWED ARE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE BEEN REVIEWED.

AND I STILL SEE A VALUE IN DISCUSSING THOSE PUBLICLY BECAUSE THEN THE COMMUNITY GETS AN IDEA OF HOW THESE COMMISSIONERS ARE SEEING THE, THESE CASES, HOW THEY'RE PROGRESSING.

ACTUALLY, SOMETIMES THERE'S

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AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATES, YOU KNOW, UH, TO, TO TO, TO POINT THEIR VIEW ON HAVE YOU NOTICED THIS IN THE REVIEWS? AND THAT'S THE, OUR BASE IS ALSO TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO A PO AND A PD AND WHAT, HOW WE THINK THESE, UH, THINGS SHOULD BE CONTINUED.

SO THIS ITEM SEVEN BASICALLY HAD A LIST OF TWO, UM, CASES PER GROUP THAT WE WERE, WE ASKED FOR THEM TO REVIEW.

UM, I AM NOT SURE HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED, BUT WHAT WE'RE EXPECTED TO DO IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES IS EACH WORKING GROUP WILL TELL US MAYBE A SUMMARY OF THE, IF, IF THEY GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE GROUPS, UH, LOOK AT THE CASES AND ANY GENERAL, UH, CONCLUSIONS OF THOSE.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE MAYBE A MEMBER OF COMMISSIONER OF COMMISSION, UH, WORKING GROUP A MAYBE IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT, WHERE YOUR PROGRESS AND WHERE THINGS ARE.

YOU MAY BE THE ONLY MEMBER OF THAT GROUP HERE.

NO, I THINK PEERMAN ON YOU GUYS ARE EIGHT, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, WE WERE, UH, LAURA, UM, PENA AND I, UM, DISCUSSED THE CASE.

UH, WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE, UH, OUTCOME, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, POLICIES AND, AND PROCEDURES.

UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT DECIDING WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S LAWFUL AND WHAT'S, UM, PROCEDURES OF THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BUT OVERALL, UH, LIFE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, THING.

AND THEN, AND, AND I BELIEVE IT OVERSEES ANY POLICY, UM, THIS WAS A CASE OF DEBT AND CUSTODY.

THIS WAS A CASE OF DEBT AND CUSTODY THEN.

MAYBE YOU WANNA REVIEW THE GENERAL, WHAT THIS, YOU KNOW, KEEPING ALL PRIVATE INFORMATION, UH, CONFIDENTIAL, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US A GENERAL REVIEW OF WHAT THE CASE WAS ABOUT? UM, IT, IT WAS A CASE WHERE A MAN WAS, UH, WILLING A KNIFE, UM, HIS MENTALLY, UM, CHALLENGED, I BELIEVE, UM, THE OFFICERS WERE IN THE ELEVATOR AND PROCEED TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND, UH, UM, TOOK HIS LIFE.

UM, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, I GOTTA SAY, UH, UM, MORE IMPORTANT TO TAKE HIM, TAKE HIS LIFE THAN FOR THEM TO, UH, CAUSE THEM ANY KIND OF HARM.

AND THAT RIGHT THERE WAS, WAS SOMETHING I WAS PRETTY DISTURBING, YOU KNOW, TO SEE, UH, UM, WE CAN USE UN LETHAL FORCE INSTEAD OF LETHAL FORCE TO SAVE THE LIFE OF SOMEBODY THAT'S MENTALLY CHALLENGED.

AND, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS DONE WRONG.

THIS IS CASE, UH, 2 0 2 19 0 7 9 2.

LEMME SURE.

AND THINGS WERE NOT AVAILABLE ON THE SITE.

THIS, THIS IS A, A PART THAT'S VERY NEW TO THE, THE ROOTS OF, FOR YOU WHERE THIS, THIS IS ONE OF OUR FIRST CHANCE TO DO IT.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME HICCUPS IN THE PROCESS, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO COME ABOUT, AND ESPECIALLY IN IN CASES LIKE THIS THAT HAVE ALREADY HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, UH, ADJUDICATED, JUST GIVE A, A BRIEF REVIEW OF THE CASE AND MAYBE WHAT OUR IMPRESSION WAS, THINGS, UM, ON WHETHER WE THOUGHT THE A PO AND DID A DECENT JOB AND IN INVESTIGATION AND THE ESSENTIALS IMPARTIAL AND SO ON.

JUST GENERAL OR, AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, IF WE DON'T, IF THERE'S AGREEMENT, THEN THAT, THAT MAKES IT EASY.

ONE, ONE THING THAT I, JUST FOR THE REST OF YOU, I WOULD SAY, UM, THE PRESENT SYSTEM, UH, REQUIRES A UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GROUP WORKING GROUP BEFORE PRESENTING TO THE LARGER GROUP.

AND I THINK, UH, SOME OF US, I THINK WE MAY WANNA CHALLENGE THAT.

I THINK EVENTUALLY WE CAN'T DO IT.

NOW, IT'S NOT PLANNED, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE I THINK I CAN SEE WHERE, UM, A CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TWO TO ONE, AND FOR THE BIGGER GROUP, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO HEAR THE, THE, EVEN THE MINOR MINORITY REPORT HAVE THAT PRESENTED.

AND SO A CASE LIKE THIS ONE JUST BRINGS UP THE CASE WHERE THEY COULD NOT COME TO SOME AGREEMENT.

I THINK WHAT THEY'VE DECIDED WAS THEY WANTED TO GO AND ASK FOR A BRIEFING.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT MS. PENA WAS ASKING FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER PENER, SORRY, WAS ASKING FOR A BRIEFING BECAUSE CLEARLY THEY COULD NOT DECIDE.

THEY THOUGHT, WELL, LET'S BRING IN THE OFFICERS THAT MADE THE DECISION AND ASK THEM IN DETAIL.

AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE ENOUGH PERHAPS THAT, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT, UH, YEAH, AND, AND SOME OF THOSE, AT LEAST UNTIL MAYBE EVEN RECENTLY, UH, SOME OF THE OFFICER DEPOSITIONS

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AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, FROM, SO THERE WAS A TASING INCIDENT AND THEN THERE WAS A, A, A SHOOTING, AND I THINK WE AGREED THAT THE TASING WAS APPROPRIATE, BUT THERE WASN'T ANY INFORMATION ON, ON THE, THE OFFICERS THAT, THAT TOOK THE DEADLY SHOT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WAITING FOR.

OFFICER PENA WAS, WAS KIND OF PETITIONING TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT.

AND I SAID WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AS COM AS, UH, COMMISSIONER FLORES FLOS ALWAYS SAY WE ARE FLYING THE PLANE AND REPAIRING AT THE SAME TIME.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD SUGGEST FOR THIS FORM IS JUST MAYBE WE START BY GIVING THE CASE NUMBER, JUST A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE CASE, AND THEN SOMETHING SO THAT THOSE ARE, THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, ESPECIALLY THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WILL GET A FEEL FOR, FOR HOW, UH, FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING.

BUT, BUT THANK YOU.

I KNOW IT'S JUST, I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT, UH, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.

DID YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE, I KNOW THERE WERE TWO CASES ASSIGNED TO YOU.

UH, THE OTHER CASE WAS, UH, 20 25 0 2 1 1 3.

DID YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT ONE YET? UM, COMMISSIONER PETERMAN.

DID YOU GUYS, DID YOU LOOK AT IT? I LOOKED AT IT, YES, BUT I DON'T, WE DID NOT HAVE A GROUP DISCUSSION SPECIFIC TO THAT ONE.

NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF ANYWAY.

NOT THAT I PARTICIPATED IN IT.

WELL, I, I'LL TELL YOU MY PERSPECTIVE, AND THIS, AS I SAY ONCE AGAIN, IS THAT, UH, ANY PERS ANY VIEW OF ANY COMMISSIONER AND A CASE'S REVIEW IS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, COM THE COMMITTEE MAY WANT TO KNOW.

UH, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA RENDER A CONCLUSION, AN AGREEMENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO, IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR COMMENTS ON WHAT YOU SAW AND YOUR, YOUR PARTIC PARTICULAR VIEW OF IT, I WILL WELCOME THAT.

UM, I QUESTIONED IN MY MIND WHETHER IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO COME UP TO THIS GROUP.

IT WAS A, A CASE WHERE, UH, THERE WAS LIKE AN EX-HUSBAND THAT, UM, SUPPOSEDLY ACCESSED SOME A PD SYSTEMS TO FIND OUT, UH, SOME IDENTIFICATION FOR THE EX-WIFE'S NEW BOW, PUT IT THAT WAY.

AND I, YOU KNOW, FROM EVERYTHING I SAW THAT THEY DID, UH, AN ACCESS THAT THE, THE, THE SUSPECT OR WHATEVER, THE, THE POLICE OFFICER, UH, DID NOT DIRECTLY IMPACT OR ACCESS ANY OF THE, UH, A PD SYSTEMS TO FIND THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS PERSON LIVED OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND THAT'S WHERE, THERE, THERE'S NO PROOF OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WERE ALSO, PART OF THE COMPLAINT WAS, UM, THAT THERE WAS SOME ROUGHHOUSING WITH THEIR SON AND IT KIND OF GOT OUT OF CONTROL AND, UM, VIOLATION OF COURT ORDERS FOR CHILD CONTROL AND CUSTODY.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE A CIVIL MATTER RATHER THAN REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO REALLY DO ANYTHING, UH, TO THE OFFICER INVOLVED.

YOU KNOW, THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ANY CONCRETE INFORMATION.

SO I CAN GIVE YOU THE PERSPECTIVE WHEN WE TRIAGED IT.

UM, WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL NAMES THAT KEEP POPPING UP.

AND THAT IS, WE LOOK AT THE OFFICER BOTH ON AND OFF DUTY, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S A LOT OF, AND WE GET TO SEE LIKE ALL THE CASES HOLISTICALLY AS FAR AS, AND SO WE PICK UP ON TRENDS AND PATTERNS.

SO WE SEE SOME PEOPLE THAT MIGHT DO AN OFFENSE THAT IS DIRECTLY POLICE RELATED, BUT ALSO HAVE A COMPLAINT BY THEIR FAMILY MEMBER THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING AT HOME.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PERSON.

AND SO WE DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT CASES YOU GUYS REVIEW, WE JUST GIVE A NUMBER AND RATING TO IT TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT LEVEL OF PRIORITY IT IS.

AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHETHER IT'S SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO PUSH IT FORWARD OR NOT.

BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE ARBITRATOR BEFOREHAND AND PREJUDGE ANYTHING, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT COULD BE A CASE WHERE THIS IS ONE CASE AND A PATTERN OF OTHER CASES THAT THIS, THAT HAS ALLEGATIONS.

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AND I, I SPOKE WITH MR. MASTERS ABOUT IT, AND HE SAID, AND HE CONFIRMED TO ME THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS ALSO MONITORING THOSE SAME INDIVIDUALS.

UM, THEY'RE ON THEIR LIST AS WELL.

SO, UM, WE, WE DIDN'T PUSH IT ANY FURTHER IN THAT REALM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE LIKE TO USE AS A MONITORING TOOL BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS AND THEY'RE NOT JUST DOING POLICE RELATED ACTIVITIES.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT CASE MAY HAVE GOTTEN TO YOU.

IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THE CLEARING HOUSE TO SAY, OH YEAH, THIS IS WORTH SENDING UP.

THIS IS NOT EVERYTHING'S WORTH SENDING UP.

IT'S JUST ABOUT WHAT PRIORITY WE GIVE TO IT.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING.

AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK THAT'S A VALID POINT.

YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK FOR TRENDS, YOU LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, REPEAT OFFENDERS ANYWAY.

AND, UM, BUT, AND, AND THERE WERE SOME, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE LIKE A, A, A BIGGER PATTERNS OR PRACTICE KIND OF THING, UH, WITH THIS GENTLEMAN, IN MY OPINION.

BUT AGAIN, WE DIDN'T, WE HADN'T DISCUSSED THAT AS A SMALLER GROUP AS OUR WORKING GROUP.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT SOON AND, AND GET THIS, YOU KNOW, GET THIS ADJUDICATED AS SOON AS WE CAN.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S 20 25, 2, 4, 3, 1, NOT 2, 3, 4, 1.

UH, WORKING GROUP B, YOU GUYS, KATHY, UM, I'LL, I'LL START OFF AND THEN IF YOU CAN ADD SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

SURE.

UH, WHAT GROUP B? WE LOOKED AT CASE 25, UH, 2, 4, 3, 1.

I THINK SO.

I THINK IT'S A, A TYPO.

AND, UM, WHAT WE FOCUSED ON, AND THE CASE INVOLVED A OFFICER INVOLVED IN A SITUATION ON SIXTH STREET WHERE IT APPEARS THAT HE THREW A, A PUNCH AND, UH, KNOCKED SOMEONE UNCONSCIOUS WITHOUT PROVOCATION.

AND WHAT WE FOCUSED ON WAS TRYING TO DEVELOP SOME, UH, FRAMEWORK IN WHICH TO LOOK AT CASES SO THAT WE COULD KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE DO WE START, WHERE ARE WE GONNA FINISH? THAT FRAMEWORK WAS OBVIOUSLY WHAT IS THE SITUATION? UH, THEN WE WANT TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WOULD WARRANT, UM, UH, WARRANT CONSIDERATION.

THEN WE LOOKED AT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS HISTORY.

WAS THERE A HISTORY OF BEHAVIOR OR HISTORY OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER? THEN WE WANT TO ASK A THRESHOLD QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WAS THIS SOMETHING DESERVING OF DISCIPLINE, YOU KNOW, OF, OF ANY MAGNITUDE OF DISCIPLINE, WHETHER IT'S A REPRIMAND, A NOTE IN THE, IN A FILE OR EVEN FURTHER? AND THEN FROM THERE, WHAT LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE WOULD BE WARRANTED? UM, I HAVE SOME NOTES HERE THAT SAY, UH, THE A PO IN THIS INSTANCE RECOMMENDED INDEFINITE SUSPENSION.

UH, WE WANTED TO KNOW THOUGH, IF THERE WERE, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHAT ARE THE LEVELS OF DISCIPLINE? WHAT ARE, UH, WHAT'S THE RANGE OF, LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE FROM, YOU KNOW, IS IT YES, YOU AGREE? YES.

I STILL HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS.

SO, UH, I'M CALIBRATING AS A, AS A COMMISSIONER RIGHT NOW.

WHAT, WHAT IS THE RANGE OF DISCIPLINE THAT WE CAN CHOOSE FROM? BECAUSE IN EVERY INSTANCE, INDEFINITE SUSPENSION, WHICH IS BASICALLY A TERMINATION WE THOUGHT MIGHT NOT BE WARRANTED.

KATHY? UH, YES.

THAT'S, I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHERE WE LEFT.

WHERE WE LEFT OFF IN OUR DISCUSSION WAS, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE, WE AGREE, WE WERE ALL IN AGREEANCE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF DISCIPLINE.

UM, BUT WE WERE STILL, UH, DISCUSSING WHAT THAT SHOULD BE.

AND, UH, YES, I'M STILL FAMILIARIZING MYSELF WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST FOR THIS SITUATION, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT'S TYPICALLY EXPECTED, UM, AS, AS DISCIPLINE FOR THIS, FOR THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR AND THESE TYPES OF, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? INFRACTIONS.

UM, BUT, UH, UH, BUT YES, IT WAS AN OFFICER.

IT WAS, UH, UM, IT WAS SIXTH STREET.

AND, UH, IT SEEMED TO ME, UH, UH, EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE, UM, AND, UM, IMPROPER USE OF FORCE AND UH, UH, BUT, UM, I SEEMED TO BE MORE LENIENT, UH, JUDGING BY OUR LAST CASE.

UH, I SEEM TO BE MORE LENIENT THAN THE, UH, OVERSIGHT, UM, ARE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GIVE THE DISCIPLINE.

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UM, BUT UH, I GUESS THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO ADD.

IS THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE FOR, FOR DISCIPLINARY RECOMMENDATIONS.

'CAUSE I, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I IF I BELIEVE, BECAUSE I LOOKED AT IT THAT SAID THAT, UH, THE A PD HAD SAID EVERYTHING UP TO INDEFINITE SUSPENSION.

I THINK A PO CAME DOWN AND SAID, NO, WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE INDEFINITE SUSPENSION.

THAT THAT, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? I THINK THAT'S MAYBE THE DIFFERENCE.

WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF INDEFINITE SUSPENSION, AND I BELIEVE A PD SUPPORTED THAT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL WITH RESPECT TO LEVELS OF DISCIPLINE.

IT'S OUTLINED IN THE 900 SERIES POLICIES WITHIN A PD GENERAL ORDERS.

WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE COMMISSION HAVE THAT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK, UH, YOU MAY HAVE IT SOMEWHERE IN AN EMAIL, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL A CHEAT SHEET OF THE MOST USED DISCIPLINES.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

IT IS, IT IS.

IT'S VERY HELPFUL.

IT'S WHAT WE USE PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CASES.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THE FULL COMMISSION HAS THAT, THAT AS WELL.

SO YEAH.

SO WE WEREN'T JUST MAKING THAT UP THAT WE COULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE LEVELS OF DISCIPLINE WAS.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, WE GOT REALLY STUCK, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CLASSES OF DISCIPLINE.

A, B, CD IS USUALLY THE MATRIX.

IF IT'S A, A CLASS A TYPE INVESTIGATION, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DISCIPLINE MAY BE SUSPENSION UP TO TERMINATION.

IT MAY BE A DEMOTION, UH, IT MAY BE A TRANSFER.

THOSE ARE THE MOST SEVERE CASES WHEN IT'S WHAT ABOUT, UM, RETRAINING OR TRAINING? YEAH.

THAT'S MORE LIKE, THAT'S IN SOME CASES THERE'S TWO WAYS, TWO WAYS THEY LOOK AT IT.

IN SOME CASES IT'S A LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE, EBD, UH, WITH LIKE CLASS B TYPE INVESTIGATIONS.

BUT IN SOME LEVELS, TRAINING IS NOT A FORM OF DISCIPLINE IF IT'S UNDER THE CATEGORY OF RETRAINING OR ORAL, ORAL COUNSELING OF SOME TYPE.

SO THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THEY LOOK AT THE TRAINING.

IT CAN BE TRAINING THAT'S DISCIPLINE BASED OR TRAINING THAT'S TRULY EDUCATIONAL BASED.

AND IT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF FORMAL DISCIPLINE.

BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WHAT POLICIES, UH, , WE MAY WANT TO HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA AT SOME POINT JUST TO GO OVER WHAT THE LEVELS OF DISCIPLINE ARE.

LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO PRESENT, UH, MAYBE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.

I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THIS CASE IN SOMEWHAT DETAIL TOO.

AND 'CAUSE I HAD THE SAME QUE QUESTION, WHAT WOULD POSSESS AN OFFICER JUST, UH, VIOLENTLY STRIKE SOMEBODY LIKE THAT? AND, UM, ONE OF MY PERSPECTIVE AND IS HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS REVIEWING THIS.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, THE, ALL THE VIDEO CAMERAS, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU THINK ABOUT, THERE'S ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO THE STORY.

WELL, WITH ALL THOSE BWC IT'S LIKE MULTIPLE SIDES TO THE STORY.

AND, UH, AND I WONDERED WHAT SOMEBODY WOULD SAY IF THEY, IF THEY, IF I TOLD THEM THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE, OFFICER LEDGER'S, BWC, YOU SEE IT, YOU SEE THAT INDIVIDUAL, WHAT I CONSIDER ASSAULT, KICKING AND TRIPPING THE OFFICER.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD CHANGE PEOPLE'S VIEW ON WHETHER THIS, THAT RISE THE, THE, THE, TO THE, IF THAT JUSTIFIES IT OR NOT.

I KNOW THE, WELL, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES NOT TO JUSTIFY IT, BUT THAT WAS CORRECT, TAKEN INTO CONSIDER.

AND I, AND I LOOKED AT THAT, SAID, WELL, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS VIDEO, AND JUST TO SHARE IT WITH YOU, YOU SEE POLICE RUNNING ALL EVERY DIFFERENT RUN INTO THIS AREA.

'CAUSE THERE'S A FIGHT.

THEY'RE BLOWING THEIR WHISTLES, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THINGS CALLED.

AND YOU JUST SEE PEOPLE GET IN THEIR WAY AND PEOPLE MAKING IT DIFFICULT OTHER FOR PARTICIPANTS AS THEY START TO, AS THEY START TO, UH, TRY TO ARREST THE INDIVIDUALS.

THERE'S BOTTLES FLYING, THERE'S POLICE BEING HIT AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT COMMUNITY COMMUNITY VIEW REVIEW.

UH, IT'S A COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW, BUT I THINK SOMEWHAT MORE, EVEN MORE MORAL LA THAN SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD SUGGEST TO YOUNG PEOPLE THAT THERE IS A THRESHOLD.

AND ASSAULTING POLICE IS NOT ONE, WHICH IS ONE WE SHOULD NOT TRY TO CROSS.

I THINK IT'S TOTALLY OKAY TO SCREAM AT THEM.

WE SHOULD PROTEST YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT.

BUT WHEN YOU START, WHEN YOU GET INVOLVED IN, IN ASSAULTING POLICE, BAD THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY, AND WHEN I TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THIS, THIS OFFICER WAS A ROOKIE, WAS EIGHT MONTHS INTO THIS IS, UH, EIGHT MONTHS INTO HIS THING.

AND A CASE LIKE THIS IS WHY SOMEONE LIKE ME, I THINK MAYBE YOU GUYS ARE THINKING THE SAME THING.

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RIGHT PUNISHMENT? IS THERE A WAY OF, IS THERE A WAY OF SALVAGING THIS, THIS POLICEMAN OF HELPING HIM THAT SO THAT HIS WORST DAY AS A POLICE DOESN'T END UP BEING HIS LAST DAY AS A POLICE? BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE, I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE, IT'S OUR, IT'S A FAILURE

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OF THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN YOU, YOU INVEST A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 75 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS GETTING SOMEBODY TO THE POLICE ACADEMY, AND THEN YOU PUT 'EM ON THE ROAD AND THEY FAIL.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF TRYING TO, TO RETRAIN THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN, THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM TOO.

AND SO THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE VIOLENCE OCCURRING AND THEN YOU ASK YOURSELF WHY.

BUT STILL, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS.

WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THESE YOUNG, YOU KNOW, ROOKIES TO, UH, LEARN HOW TO BEST USE OF FORCE? SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS ON THAT.

DID YOU GUYS GET TO LOOK THE OTHER CASE? NOT YET.

NO.

I THINK COMMISSIONER RUSSELL HAD HER HAND UP.

OH YES.

I JUST HAD, I JUST HAD ONE MORE THING TO SAY ABOUT OUR, ABOUT OUR CASE WAS YES.

THE, THE BIGGEST CONFLICT THAT I'M HAVING WITH THE, WITH OUR CURRENT CASE IS THAT THIS OFFICER HAS NOT BEEN ON THE, WITH THE POLICE FOR VERY LONG.

HE'S, HE'S, HE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, HE'S NEW-ISH.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M CONFLICTED ON IT'S WHAT THE DISCIPLINE SHOULD BE.

WELL, I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADJUDICATED.

HE'S, HE'S FIRED.

I THINK THAT'S A, HE'S HE WAS.

OH, OKAY.

IT'S, THE DECISION WAS MADE.

SO, UH, THESE, SOME OF THE CASES WE'RE GOING TO, FORTUNATELY THE DECISIONS ARE MADE, BUT I THINK THE VALUE IS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE HOW WE ARE GOING ABOUT THIS AND THE PERSPECTIVES WE'RE BRINGING.

AND SO HOW, HOW WE CAN, WE WILL DISAGREE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DIFFERENT LENSES TO HOW WE, WE VIEW WHAT CAN BE DONE.

UH, SO FOR, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE POLICE AND EVEN APOS INVESTIGATIONS ARE GONNA BE GONNA BE FAULT THERE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE THINGS THAT THAT ONE SEES I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND.

SO YOU HAVE TO, THERE'S A LOT OF FILM.

YOU ALMOST HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THEM TO REALLY SEE THE BIG PICTURE.

UM, NOT ONLY ONES YOU SEE ON, ON A TELEVISION OR IN A, ON YOUTUBE.

SO THAT'S, YEAH.

TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER GREAVES, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT SOME THINGS ARE A TRAINING ISSUE AND SOME THINGS ARE A COMPLIANCE ISSUE.

AND IF WE'D SAY THAT THERE IS MORE TRAINING NEEDED, SO MAYBE THEY DO DESERVE SOME GRACE, THERE HAS TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGH THOUGH, AND TO ENSURE THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE EXISTS.

BECAUSE IF NOT, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT LIKE A NEW OFFICER VERSUS A SEASONED OFFICER, A SEASONED OFFICER PROBABLY SEEN THE SITUATION OF SO MANY TIMES THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REACT.

NEW OFFICERS JUST ACTING IMPULSIVELY PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY MAY BE, YOU KNOW, SCARED.

AND SO I THINK A MORE DELIBERATE CONVERSATION WOULD BE HOW CAN WE PAIR THE SEASONED OFFICER WITH THE NEWER OFFICERS MORE OFTEN TO AVOID SUCH SITUATIONS? AND THEN EVEN IF THE SITUATION BEGINS, I'VE SEEN VIDEO EVIDENCE WHERE THE SEASON OFFICER WILL COME OVER AND BE LIKE, NOBODY, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

THIS IS NOT HOW WE'RE HANDLING THE SITUATION.

AND SO I THINK WHEN WE ARE DELIBERATING, WE, WE SHOULD BRING UP LIKE WAYS TO, UH, PRESENT SUGGESTIONS TO BETTER THOSE SITUATIONS, EVEN IF THE, UH, THE OUTCOME MAY HAVE BEEN ADJUDICATED.

BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY GONE AND THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, TRAINING, I WON'T SAY WASTED, BUT IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE BEHAVING LIKE THAT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

AND EVERYBODY MAY NOT DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE.

BUT IF PEOPLE CAN BE RETRAINED AND YOU CAN SHOW THE VALUE IN THAT RETRAINING, AND YOU CAN SHOW PEOPLE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS NOT HAPPENING AGAIN, I THINK IT'S MORE, MORE TOLERABLE TO, TO HAVE TO, TO SAY THOSE THINGS AND DO THOSE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING, WELL, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE ANOTHER OFFICER, SO WE'RE GONNA RETAIN 'EM.

OR WE, WE GET RID OF ALL, EVERY OFFICER THAT HAS THIS.

IT SHOULDN'T BE A ZERO SUM GAME EITHER WAY.

IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE LIKE SOME GRAY AREA.

IN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THEY, THEY CALLED, THEY CAME IN, THEY RESCUED THE YOUNG LADY OR HELP HER.

AND I HEAR YOU.

BUT, UH, I'D SAY WHEN, YOU KNOW, ONE LAST THING ABOUT THIS CASE IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE GET TO SEE IS, UH, IF THEY HAVE OTHER CASES, YOU GET TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY BEEN CAUGHT IN OTHER THINGS BEFORE, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT COMMISSIONER FLOW IS SAYING, WE ARE LOOKING FOR, IS IT, IS THIS A REPEAT OFFENDER? ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED IS THAT SOMETIMES YOU LOOK FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN REPEATING.

THOSE ARE, IF YOU CAN CATCH THOSE IN TIME, YOU CAN STOP THEM FROM DOING THING.

BUT THERE ALSO, THERE ALSO, THERE WAS ALSO SOME FILES ON COMMENDATION.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I OBSERVED GOING THROUGH THAT IS THE SAME YOUNG OFFICER, LIKE FOUR MONTHS AFTER THERE WAS A CASE, A YOUNG LADY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN AUSTIN WAS BRUTALLY BEAT UP AND STABBED AND LEFT FOR DEAD.

AND THE POLICE CAME, EMS AND SO FORTH.

FORTUNATELY, SOMEBODY CALLED, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE LEVEL OF TRUST THAT POLICE HAS

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I, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THESE REVIEWS IS SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE WATCHING A, A, YOU KNOW, A, A STREAMING AND IT COMES TO THE END AND YOU DON'T GET TO SEE THE HOW IT ENDS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE SURVIVED OR NOT.

WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME TO THE SAME OFFICER WAS THAT HE WENT AND STARTED CANVASSING THE AREA AND WENT AND, AND, AND TRIED TO ASK PEOPLE FOR INFORMATION.

AND MAYBE BECAUSE WHATEVER HE SAID, TRUST, YOU KNOW, HE, HE USED HIS WHATEVER SKILLS AND GOT SOMEBODY TO TELL HIM SOME, UH, PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHAT THE PERSON WOULD LOOK LIKE, SOME IDENTIFICATION OF THE SUBJECT.

HE USED THAT THEN TO GO SAY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS.

AND LO AND BEHOLD, THEY WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE THE PERPETRATOR.

NOW THIS IS A COMMITTEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, SNITCHES, YOU KNOW, SNITCHES GET STITCHES.

AND STILL HE WAS, HE MANAGED TO DO THIS.

AND THE COMBINATION CAME AND, AND, UH, THE, THE, IT WAS NICE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, FULL FIVE MONTHS INTO HIS THING, HE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, WHAT A LOSS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT NOT ANYBODY, NOT ANYBODY COULD HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID THERE.

SO THERE'S SOME, SHE SOME LIGHT THE TALENT, BUT THEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE TALE OF TWO COPS, TALE OF TWO POLICEMEN, BECAUSE THERE'S THIS OTHER ONE.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THE TRAGEDY AND THE LOSS TO US AS A COMMUNITY OF HAVING SOMEBODY WHO COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY BE A GREAT POLICEMAN NOW GONE.

SO THAT'S THE THING.

I'M, THE PERSPECTIVE I'M TRYING TO BRING IN.

WE, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING TO THE TABLE OUR VIEWS AS INDIVIDUALS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND VIEWS.

AND I THINK IT'S THE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE'S AGREEMENT OR NOT, MINORITY REPORTS ALSO PRESENTED.

SO THE COMMUNITY GETS A BETTER FEEL OF WHAT WE SEE.

SO CHAIR, CHAIR, GRAVE.

CAN I REVISIT THIS CASE FOR A MOMENT WITH THE QUESTION TWO, SINCE WE HAVE YOUR DECISION, CAN WE, CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE BASIS OF WHY YOUR DECISION WAS FOR INDEFINITE SUSPENSION AND THAT'S THE, UH, UM, 24 31, CORRECT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, SIR.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY AS WELL, UH, RELATED TO THIS, THIS OFFICER.

SO IT, IT, IT WAS A COMBINATION.

MAYBE WE, AND SO MAYBE THAT WAS ONE OF THE FAILINGS IN THE SYSTEM.

'CAUSE THE DOCUMENT WE GOT SAID THERE WAS NO HISTORY.

WELL, YOU, YOU LOOKED AT ONE CASE AND SO YOU LOOKED AT THE CASE THAT WAS THE, THE INCIDENT, THE ASSAULT THAT OCCURRED ON, ON SIXTH STREET.

AND SO, CORRECT WE AS WELL.

AND SO WE'LL JUST JUST SPEAK TO, TO JUST THAT, THAT ONE INCIDENT THAT MM-HMM .

THAT OCCURRED.

AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT THE BODY-WORN CAM, JUST LIKE YOU ALL LOOKED AT THE BODY-WORN CAM, THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE RESPONDING TO THIS ISSUE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, THAT WAS REALLY RELEVANT RE REGARDING THIS IS THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL OFFICERS THAT WERE DEALING WITH SEVERAL OF THE SAME THINGS THAT CHAIR GREAVES TALK ABOUT.

PEOPLE THROWING BOTTLES, PEOPLE KICKING ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

WE HAD ONE OFFICER WHO WOULD, COULD CLEARLY JUST PLACE THE, THE, THE PERSON THAT WAS, WAS KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS.

THERE WAS ONE OFFICER THAT WAS ENGAGED WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL.

HE SIMPLY PUT HIS HANDS ON HIM AND SAID, RELAX, RELAX.

WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT IS VERY REASONABLE TO BELIEVE THAT THAT ACTION IN AND OF ITSELF WOULD HAVE DEESCALATED THAT SITUATION.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE HE SAID, RELAX AND RELAX.

AND THEN THIS OFFICER JUST KNOCKS HIM UNCONSCIOUS.

AND, AND WE, WE COULDN'T IDENTIFY, WE HAVE AN OFFICER THAT'S ENGAGED WITH THIS PERSON GOING THROUGH SOME DEESCALATION WITH THIS PERSON AND THIS OFFICER KNOCKS HIM UNCONSCIOUS.

IT SEEMED UNPROVOKED AS WELL.

WHAT WE DID LEARN DURING THIS, THIS REVIEW, WAS THAT THERE WAS THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT THERE APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN A, AN ATTEMPT OF, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL HAD PUT HIS LEG OUT, BUT THE OFFICER WHO ENGAGED IN THIS BEHAVIOR WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF THAT.

SO YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT AND TRY AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED PRIOR TO THIS HAPPENING THAT WOULD HA THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO EXCUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BEHAVIOR.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE CROWD CONTROL.

AND, AND IF YOU, IF WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION,

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THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL ISSUE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE OFFICER WHO WAS ENGAGED IN THE INITIAL CONTACT WITH THE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT WAS FIGHTING AND THAT OFFICER WAS, HAD USED THE USE OF FORCE.

BUT THIS WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME RESISTING GOING ON.

IF YOU LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ONE COMMUNITY MEMBER SAID, STOP RESISTING, STOP RESISTING.

AND THEN IT WASN'T UNTIL THIS OFFICER COMES OVER THAT WAS TERMINATED AND DID THIS USE OF FORCE WHERE THE CROWD KIND OF IGNITED.

AND SO WE ALSO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD, WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE HAPPENED IN TERMS OF CROWD CONTROL AND ESCALATING THE CROWD TO A POINT WHERE YOU JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO CONTROL IT OR TO, TO MANAGE IT.

AND, AND, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BASED ON THE FACT, THE ACTIONS OF THIS OFFICER, BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A LEVEL OF EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH A CROWD OF THIS SIZE.

AND WE HAVE A LARGE CROWD.

THE, WE, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN DRINKING, UM, SEVERAL PERSONS THAT ARE INTOXICATED AND OFFICERS ARE TRYING TO MANAGE THIS CROWD OF PERSONS.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE ONE OFFICER THAT ENGAGES IN THIS BEHAVIOR, IT, IT TAKES THE CROWD TO ANOTHER.

WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WE, THE CROWD CONTROL, IS IT CUSTOMARY TO PUT NEW OFFICERS ON SIXTH STREET OR, WELL, LET ME SAY, OFFICER I THINK WAS WORKING OVERTIME.

THIS OFFICER WAS ACTUALLY WORKING OVERTIME.

WORKING OVERTIME.

SO THIS WAS NOT HIS NORMAL SECTOR, RIGHT.

THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING IN.

SO THIS OFFICER SEVEN MONTHS ON THE FORCE AND WAS, WAS WORKING, WAS WORKING OVERTIME.

AND SO, UM, I'M GUESSING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT CONTRIBUTED TO AN OFFICER BEING IN AN ENVIRONMENT.

UH, THE, THE, THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IS A CHALLENGING DISTRICT.

DISTRICT.

IT'S A CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENT FOR EVEN THE, THE, UH, SEASON OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE FORCE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

AND SO THIS OFFICER HAD, UH, ELECTED TO WORK, UH, OVER TIME IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR NIGHT.

SO, AND, AND SO AGAIN, AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED AS WELL.

THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION AS WE SAW THE CROWD START TO ESCALATE.

UH, AT ONE POINT THE, THE, THE CROWD HAD CALMED DOWN AND THEN THIS HAPPENED AND THEN ALL OF A, A SUDDEN THE CROWD ERUPTS.

AND SO YOU ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE RISK FOR THOSE OTHER OFFICERS WHO ARE IN THAT AREA.

AND WE REALLY INCREASED THE, THE RISKS FOR THOSE OFFICERS.

AS I LOOKED AT THE BODY WORN CAM, UM, THE THING THAT I WAS GRATEFUL FOR WAS THAT THIS DID NOT GO TO A LEVEL THAT IT COULD HAVE GONE TO.

AND WHERE OFFICERS WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPELLED TO USE A LEVEL OF FORCE, HAD THIS CROWD JUST ERUPTED AND GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL.

MM-HMM .

AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN THAT NIGHT.

AGAIN, I WATCHED SEVERAL, NOT JUST THE OFFICER THAT ENGAGED IN THE BEHAVIOR, BUT ALL THE OTHER OFFICERS THAT WERE DEALING WITH THE SAME THING IN THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO, UH, SPEAK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

ONE OFFICER WHO SAID, LOOK, STOP, JUST GO HOME.

JUST GO HOME.

AND IMMEDIATELY THE INDIVIDUALS START TO TURN AND LEAVE THE SPACE.

AND IT'S THAT KIND OF ENGAGEMENT WE NEED TO HAVE WHEN YOU ARE DEALING IN A DOWNTOWN AREA WITH PERSONS WHO, UM, MANY TIMES COMING OUT OF CLUBS, THERE IS A LOT OF DRINKING.

WE HAVE A YOUNGER CROWD OF INDIVIDUALS THERE, AND THERE REALLY HAS TO BE THIS LEVEL OF EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE AS YOU DEAL WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS.

YES, I AGREE.

THERE WAS BOTTLE THROWING AND WATER THROWING AND UM, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WERE, WERE HAPPENING.

BUT I COULD NOT IDENTIFY ANYTHING THAT PROVOKED THAT BEHAVIOR.

THERE WAS NOTHING THERE.

IN FACT, THE OFFICER HAD ACTUALLY ARRESTED SOMEONE ELSE AND WAS DETAINED, DETAINED SOMEONE ELSE, AND, AND SHOULD HAVE JUST ESCORTED THEM WHEREVER HE WAS ESCORTING THEM.

AND, AND HE TURNED AND, AND, AND ENGAGED IN THIS BEHAVIOR.

AND IT, IT JUST, IT WAS UNACCEPTABLE AND IT WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

THAT PERSON DISAPPEARED.

I BELIEVE THE PERSON THAT THEY HAD DETAINED, THAT PERSON DISAPPEARED.

CAN, CAN I ADD SOMETHING SPECIFIC PLEASE? I THINK SOMETHING TO MS. RUSSELL SAID ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO LOOK AT ON A REGULAR IS

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TRAINING.

AND WE RECOGNIZE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHAT THAT OFFICER DID WAS SO FAR AWAY FROM ANY TRAINING THAT ANYONE IN THE ACADEMY RECEIVES.

IT'S JUST, IT WAS AN OUTLIER.

AND SO WE ACTUALLY DO, I MEAN, MOST OF THE CASES WE LOOK AT, WE QUESTION, OKAY, IS IT, IS THERE A TRAINING OPPORTUNITY HERE? BUT THERE ARE SOME EPISODES WHERE THEY'RE SO FAR OFF BASE FROM THE TRAINING, IT JUST, YOU CAN'T RETRAIN ON THAT BECAUSE OFFICERS GET PROBABLY MORE TIME ON USE OF FORCE, FORCE AND TACTICS THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

SO YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT AN ISSUE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE TO THIS LEVEL, THAT'S NOT A TRAINING ISSUE BECAUSE THEY RECEIVE MORE TRAINING THAN ANYTHING ELSE ON THESE TOPICS.

YEAH, JUST TO BE SURE THEN, SO WHEN THE, UH, WHEN I, WHEN WE, WHEN I SEE AT, AT MINUTE 1 37 O OFFICER LEDGER, WAIT, CAN WE PAUSE THERE? WHAT'S THE PROTOCOL FOR WHERE WE USE UM, UH, PERSONAL PROPRIETARY INFORMATION? 'CAUSE SHOULD YOU BE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY HIS NAME, I JUST SAID BODY CAMERA.

ONE OF THE BODY CAMERAS, WE LOOK AT ONE OF THE BODY CAMERAS AND WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS HURT WAS HARM KICKING AND TRYING TO TRIP AN OFFICER.

I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THAT WAS NOT THE OFFICER, IT WAS ANOTHER OFFICER, NOT THE YOU.

WE BELIEVE IT, IT WAS NOT THE PROVO IT WAS NOT THE OFFICER THAT END UP PUNCHING.

IT WAS ANOTHER OFFICER.

NO, IT ACTUALLY WAS THE OFFICER THAT END UP PUNCHING HIM.

BUT WHAT WE LEARNED WAS THAT HE WAS NOT AWARE THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAD DONE THAT.

WELL WHAT HAPPENS IS, I I I, I'M SORRY.

WHEN I HEAR THE TESTIMONY, HE'S LIKE, HE'S OVERWHELMED.

HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE GOT HIT AND WHY HE, SO, SO THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO ME IN THAT, IN THAT I WOULD TELL YOU I WAS MORE AFRAID OF THE CROWD YEAH.

THAN THE POLICE.

SO IT'S, SOME OF THE INCIDENT MAKES ME THINK, OH, YOU KNOW, ANARCHY IS NOT GOOD.

IT'S A GOOD THING WE HAVE POLICEMEN SOMETIMES OUT THERE 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE A SCARY ENVIRONMENT FOR ANYBODY ELSE.

BUT, UH, BUT SO YEAH, SO HE, LIKE I SAID, HE WAS, I BELIEVE HE WAS ASSAULTED AND YOU KNOW, IN A CONFUSION.

BUT, BUT I, I RESPECT YOUR VIEW 'CAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE THAN US.

I'M SHARING, WHAT I SAW WAS THAT THIS IS A PROVOKING INCIDENT.

SOMEBODY KICKS ME, SOMEBODY ASSAULTS THE POLICE DOESN'T JUSTIFY IT, BUT IT GIVES A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION WHY 24 YEAR A 25-YEAR-OLD GUY KID WOULD TURN AROUND AND DO THAT.

AND SO HENCE WHY WE WERE LOOKING FOR TRAINING.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO? WHAT YOU'LL CONSTANTLY HEAR ME SAY IS EVERY POLICE OFFICER, NO ONE NECESSARILY TRAINS THE PUBLIC WHAT TO DO.

EVERY POLICE OFFICER IS TRAINED.

YOU SHOULD EXPECT THIS.

SO YOU'RE TRAINED WHAT TO DO AND YOU'RE RETRAINED AND YOU GET IN SERVICE ON, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CYCLES.

SO WHEN I HEAR QUITE FREQUENTLY, WELL, BUT THEY DID THIS, THIS AND THIS, WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT YOU WERE TRAINED THAT YOU MAY BE CONFRONTED WITH THIS AND WE TRAIN YOU ON HOW WE WANT YOU TO REACT WHEN YOU'RE CONFRONTED WITH THESE SITUATIONS.

I DID.

AND YOU SAID HE WAS INVOLVED IN ANOTHER SITUATION, MULTIPLE THAT WAS REPORTED THAT WE HAVE THE CASE ON.

ALRIGHT.

AS I LOOK AT BODY-WORN CAM AND I KNOW THAT BASED ON WHAT WE COULD SEE THAT THEY HAD THINGS UNDER CONTROL AND JUST THE BEHAVIOR OF THIS ONE OFFICER REALLY COULD HAVE TAKEN THIS TO ANOTHER LEVEL AND COULD HAVE, UM, INITIATED A LEVEL OF FORCE THAT WOULD HAVE, UM, REALLY BEEN UNACCEPTABLE.

GROUP, GROUP C, WE'RE, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH GROUP B? YEAH.

AND I, AND I TRIED TO INCLUDE THOSE SUMMARIES IN THE REPORT.

I KNOW COMMISSIONER THREES GETS THEM THAT SAYS THAT THIS OFFICER WAS INVOLVED IN THREE OTHER IN, AND SO ALL THOSE COMPANION CASES MAY NOT GET TO YOU, BUT I, I DID SEE LIKE, AGAIN THOSE TRENDS AND THOSE PATTERNS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE, OH HE JUST HAD A BAD DAY.

UM, NO HE IS HAVING A BAD CAREER.

BUT TO THE POINT WHERE, UM, THE TWO, UM, MR. MASTERS AND MS. MCCANN SPOKE ABOUT IS THERE ALSO HAS TO BE SOME INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE WE GIVE, I FEEL LIKE WE GIVE A LOT OF DEFERENCE TO THE POLICE.

WE TALK ABOUT THEIR RE WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS WHERE WE DEFER TO THEIR JUDGMENT.

AND EVEN AT A REASONABLE OFFICER STANDARD, NO OTHER OFFICER IN THAT SAME SITUATION REACTED THAT WAY.

SO HE HA HE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE UNDER JUST EVEN THOSE BASIC STANDARDS IN MY OPINION.

AND YEAH, REALLY CONSIDERING THE RISK OF HIS PEERS, UM, THE OTHER OFFICERS IN THE AREA WAS VERY CONCERNING AS WE LOOKED AT THAT FOOTAGE AND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN, UM, BASED ON ONE OFFICER'S INABILITY TO, TO CONTROL, YOU KNOW, UM, HIS EMOTIONS, UM, THERE.

AND SO WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN, COULD HAVE FORCED OTHER OFFICERS WHEN THEY HAD NO INTENTIONS OF UM, HAVING TO ENGAGE IN, UM, YOU KNOW, USE OF FORCE WITH THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

THEY WERE REALLY MANAGING THAT CROWD WELL.

AND I COMMEND THOSE OFFICERS

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BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BASED ON ONE OFFICER'S, UH, REACTION TO THE CROWD.

AND SO THAT WAS VERY, THERE'S VERY CONCERNING FOR ME THAT, UM, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN REALLY, REALLY BAD HAD THE CROWD GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL JUST BASED ON THAT ONE OFFICER'S ACTIONS.

WELL THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

UH, WHAT LED YOU TO YOUR DECISION AND TO KNOW THAT THERE WERE RELATED CASES? 'CAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AS A ISOLATED CASE.

YEAH, THE, YEAH, THE, THE IN THE REPORT, I THINK MR. MASTERS SENT DID MENTION THOSE CASES WERE RELATED.

'CAUSE I, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHY I FIRST PICKED IT UP AND I KNOW THAT, UM, FLO AND FRANCO TRIED TO TRIAGE, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THEIR OWN THING WHERE THEY TRIED TO LOOK FOR NAMES THAT ARE SIMILAR AND, AND FLAG THAT THAT'S ANOTHER, EVENTUALLY WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY OF PASSING THAT ON TO THE, TO THE BIGGER.

SO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SOMEWHERE WE HAVE A WAY OF TRACKING AND TAGGING THAT.

BECAUSE SINCE WE GET TO SEE WE CAN, LIKE I DID, I CAN GO LOOK AT ANOTHER CASE.

YOU CAN HELP COMPLIMENT YOUR THOUGHTS.

YOU KNOW WHAT, LEMME TAKE A PEEK.

I DON'T HAVE TO ANALYZE THIS ONE, BUT I CAN SEE THE, THE TWO OR THREE THINGS AND SEE IF IT CAN HELP ME GIVE A BIGGER PICTURE OF THIS OFFICER.

AND, AND YEAH, WE, AND I WILL SAY THAT, UM, WHILE THERE WAS A HISTORY THERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, THAT HISTORY WOULD'VE, UH, HAD THAT HISTORY NOT BEEN THERE, THAT WE HAD, WOULD HAVE COME TO ANY OTHER CONCLUSION OTHER THAN THE TERMINATION.

THAT ONE CASE ALONE WAS, UH, EGREGIOUS AND SEVERE ENOUGH, UM, TO COME TO, I THINK WOW, WE WOULD'VE CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION.

VERY COSTLY.

DO YOU GET, DO YOU GET THE PERSONNEL RECORDS OR THE, YOU KNOW, OF SO YOU CAN LOOK, I I I THOUGHT ONE OF MY CASES THAT I LOOKED AT HAD HAD SOME, AT LEAST SOME SEMBLANCE OF A PERSONNEL RECORD FOR SOME OF THE OFFICERS THAT WERE INVOLVED.

UH, IS THAT NOT A STANDARD? YEAH, A STANDARD PRACTICE.

WHAT WHAT WE GET IS WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SUSTAINED HISTORY.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL ACTIVE CASES, NONE OF THEM WERE SUSTAINED.

THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T REFLECT IN HIS HISTORY.

SO WHENEVER AN, UH, AN OFFICER OR AN ALLEGATION IS SUSTAINED AGAINST AN OFFICER, IT'S PLACED IN HIS, HIS INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT FILE.

AND WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE INCLUDE IN OUR SUMMARIES.

THERE.

THERE'S A FOLDER CALLED INTERNAL AFFAIRS HISTORY THAT SHOULD, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT'S THAT I HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS, YOU WON'T SEE IT MATTERS.

IT'S ONLY INCLUDED WHEN THE CASE IS ADJUDICATED.

THAT'S WHEN, THAT'S WHEN WE, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANCO AND I WILL PUT THAT NOTE, BUT LIKE I SAID, UM, IT'S UP TO, UH, WHEN COMMISSIONER BREES SENDS THEM OUT TO SAY, HEY, THE, HE HAS THESE OTHER CASE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH HIS CASE.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADJUDICATED, THEY'RE STILL OPEN, SO THEY MAY NOT REFLECT IN THEIR INTERNAL AFFAIR FILE, BUT THERE IS OTHER INVESTIGATION AND OTHER ACTIONS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL.

AND SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO STREAMLINE THAT AND MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE CLEAR SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO GO OFF OF JUST AS OPPOSED TO A SINGLE CASE IN A VACUUM.

AND, UH, HE THREATENED TO USE HIS KNIFE IF SHE USED PEPPER SPRAY.

GROUP C, UM, I, UM, A MEMBER OF GROUP C, AND SO WERE THE TWO OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO NEVER SHOWED UP.

SO GROUP C WAS NOT ONLY ONE PERSON HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.

SO WHAT YOU'LL GET IS SUCH A SUMMARY OF, UH, OF THE CASE AND WHAT ONE PERSON DID.

AND THE FIRST CASE, UM, WAS CASE 20 25 1 3 1 0 1 3 0 8 BIAS BASED POLICY.

UM, AND, UH, IN JUNE OF 2025, AN OFFICER, UH, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT RECEIVED A COMPLAINT OF AN INDI INDIVIDUAL THAT ALLEGED THAT THE OFFICER POLICE OVERSIGHT, UM, THAT HE WAS RACIALLY PROFILED BY, UM, ILLEGALLY DETAINING HIM WHILE HE WAS RESPONDING TO A FOR CALL SERVICE, UH, AND THAT HE WILL OFFICIALLY PUT IN A FORMAL COMPLAINT TO THE, UH, TO THE, TO THE SYSTEM.

BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS HE WAS ENGAGED WITH A, A, THERE WAS A FEMALE, HE WAS IN A, IN A METRO BUS, A AUSTIN CAB METRO BUS, AND A FEMALE PASSENGER BEGAN TO CALL ON HIM, RACHEL SLURS.

AND, UH, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, SHE THREATENED HIM WITH PEPPER SPRAY

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AND SO THE POLICE WAS, WERE CALLED AND THEY ARRESTED HIM, HANDCUFFED HIM.

AND HIS BELIEF WAS THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF RACIALLY THERE WAS, THEY RACIALLY PROFILED HIM BECAUSE IS HE'S BLACK AND THE FEMALE WAS WHITE.

AND THEN, UH, OTHER OFFICERS RESPONDED, AND THIS IS THE HENCE CASE.

HE WANTED THEM, UH, LOOKED AT FOR BIAS POLICING.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, UH, WHILE BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION WAS ACTUALLY STARTED, UH, THE, THE SAME PERSON DECIDED TO BACK OFF AND ASK FOR THE CASE TO BE DROPPED THE CASE AGAINST OFFICERS TO BE DROPPED.

UH, IT IS, UH, HE HAD BEEN, HE WAS ACTUALLY IN, IN, I THINK, WRITING THIS LETTER FROM, FROM PRISON.

SO THERE WAS NO OTHER INFORMATION, AND I, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CASE TO SHOW WHETHER THE OFFICERS WERE INTERVIEWED OR NOT, AND WHETHER THE, THE ARREST, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, HE'S, IS ALLEGATIONS WERE, YOU KNOW, HAD ANY SUPPORT BECAUSE THERE'S NO, NO, NO, NOTHING MORE.

SO IT WAS DROPPED.

AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE 20 25 0 1 3 0 8 CASE.

THEN THE OTHER CASE INVOLVES THE SAME OFFICER OF THAT YOU GUYS WERE DISCUSSING.

SEE IF I 25, 24 75.

YEAH, LET ME JUST, I GOT MY PAPERS MIXED UP HERE.

25 0 2 4 7 5 USE OF FORCE.

AND, UM, THE OFFICER RESPONDED TO A STALL VEHICLE CALL, UH, THAT TURNED INTO A CRASH, AND THE OFFICER, UH, DETAINED A SUSPECTED DRIVER, THE OFFICER THEN, UM, BUT IN THE PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING HIM FOR, TO, TO VERIFY IF HE WAS INTOXICATED OR NOT, HE RESPONDED, HE DROPPED THE OFFICER, HE DROPPED THIS, THE, THE, UM, INVESTIGATION AND RAN ALONG WITH SOME OTHER OFFICERS TO ASSIST A THIRD OFFICER WHO HAD BEEN, UH, STRUGGLING WITH A SUSPECT.

UM, IN THE PROCESS OF HELPING THIS OTHER OFFICER, HE STRUCK THE SUSPECT WITH A FLASHLIGHT IN THE BACK.

IT SAYS HERE, THE SPINE AND, UM, OFFICER, UH, BUT THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT BLOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO, TO, UH, HANDCUFF THE SUSPECT.

AND WHEN HE RETURNED, OF COURSE, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS SUSPECTED OF DRUNK DRIVING HAD FLED THE CASE.

OF THE INTERVIEW, ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW WAS, I THINK I MAKE MY NOTES, I DID NOT AGREE WITH, UH, APOS.

UM, TURNS OUT THAT THE INTERVIEW, THE INTERVIEW ON THIS CAMERA, IT'S ALL, THE INTERVIEW OF THE SUSPECT IS ALL IN SPANISH.

SO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I WOULD SEE IS I, SO I WONDER IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THERE'S NO TRANSCRIPTS OF THE WHOLE INTERVIEW IN SPANISH.

UH, YOU HAVE TO BE AS FLUENT IN SPANISH TO, TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN, IN THE INTERVIEW AND, AND AND SO FORTH.

RIGHT? SO THIS OFFICER WAS ACCUSED OF MULTIPLE THINGS.

ONE OF THEM WOULD'VE BEEN THE 2, 2, 200 0.3, WHICH IS A BATON AND IMPACT WEAPON GUIDELINES.

THEN ALSO, UM, 200.4, THIS IS ALL OF THIS IS THE GENERAL, THE GENERAL, UH, GEO, RIGHT.

THESE NUMBERS COME FROM THE POLICE, UH, UM, ALLOCATION.

AND A PO USUALLY WHEN THEY PUT THEIR CASE, THEY ACTUALLY USE THE SAME NUMBER.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT SPECIFICALLY CASE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VIOLATION OR NOT.

200.4 IS RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE, RIGHT? AND THEN 200, 2 4 0 2 0.25 IS, UH, REPORT WRITING.

THERE IS A RE A RESPONSIBILITY IF ANYTIME YOU USE A FORCE, YOU USE FORCE, YOU NEED A, A SPECIFIC WRITEUP ON THAT.

IF YOU NEGLECT TO DO THAT, THAT IN ITSELF IS A VIOLATION.

WHETHER THE, UH, USE OF FORCE ITSELF IS, IS, UH, JUSTIFIED OR NOT, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO REPORT IT AND DO A DECENT REPORT ON THAT TOO.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S ALSO QUESTIONS ON WHEN YOU DO A REPORT, IF THE REPORT IS NOT DONE CORRECTLY OR IF THERE'S, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE MAYBE JUSTIFICATIONS AND SO FORTH, THEY CAN ALSO BE ACCUSED OF THAT.

SO HE ALSO GOT A 2, 2 1, 1 0.4, WHICH IS, UM, EMPLOYEE REPORT GUIDELINES FOR ALL, ALL FORCE LEVEL INCIDENTS.

OKAY? AND THEN, OF COURSE, A 900.4 0.3 FOR NEGLECT OF DUTY, MEANING, YOU KNOW, HE'S IN THE MIDDLE OF INTERVIEWING SOMEBODY, AND THIS, UH, THIS PERSON FLED.

SO IN MY, UH, REVIEW OF THE CASE

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AND THIS IS, JUST, REMEMBER, THIS IS JUST ONE COMMISSIONER.

THIS IS NOT THAT, THAT WE, WE'VE NOT DONE THE, THE FULL THREE TRIAGE, THREE PEOPLE AND SO FORTH.

BUT SOME THINGS I AGREE AND DISAGREE.

SOME OF THEM WERE THE, I THOUGHT THE INTERVIEWS WERE DONE CON CORRECTLY.

THE, THEY, THEY DID INVESTIGATE EVERY SINGLE OFFICER THAT WAS INVOLVED, RIGHT? I THOUGHT IF THE, THE QUESTIONS WERE MY, MY, MY VIEW MOSTLY APPROPRIATE, UH, BOTH AI, SORRY, INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND A PO, I THINK, UH, WERE, WERE, DID THE INTERVIEW IN A WAY THAT I THINK FOLLOWED THE, THE RIGHT PROCEDURE IN THE CASE OF, UH, BATON AND IMPACT WEAPON GUIDELINES.

I DID NOT AGREE WITH THE VIOLATION, BECAUSE I THOUGHT OF THE OFFICER, WELL, I GUESS I BETTER BACK UP.

WHAT YOU SEE IS OFFICERS INTERVIEWING THIS YOUNG, THIS PERSON, A OLDER HISPANIC MAN, SUSPECTED OF MAYBE SOME ALCOHOL BECAUSE HE HAD A BEER IN A CAR, AND, AND HE, THE CAR CRASHED.

SO THE, AND BECAUSE THE STOPPED THE STALL CAR APPARENTLY CAUSED A CRASH.

AND SO THEY'RE THINKING MAYBE HE WAS DRUNK AND DRIVE UP TO THAT INVESTIGATING WHILE HE'S TRYING TO, TO, TO ASSESS WHAT TO DO.

THERE'RE MULTIPLE, UH, TESTS THAT ONE DOES START DRUNK DRIVER.

SOME OF THEM YOU WANT TO PULL HIM ASIDE.

SO THE FIRST THING HE SAID, THIS, CAN YOUR CAR, CAN YOU MOVE YOUR CAR? BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKING AWAY.

THE CAR WAS INCAPACITATED.

IT COULD START, BUT IT COULDN'T MOVE.

SO HE COULDN'T DO THAT.

SO THEY MOVED THEM TO THE BACK OF THE POLICE CAR BEHIND A POLICE CAR SO THEY COULD JUST AT LEAST DO THE FIRST EYE TEST.

AND ALL OF THIS IS, I SAY IN, IN, IN SPANISH, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU SEE IS A VERY, UM, DIFFERENTIAL INTERVIEW WITH THIS YOUNG OLDER MAN ASKING HIM HOW, HOW'S HE FEELING? IS HE IN SHOCK? IS HIS BACK HURTING ANYTHING? IS HE HURT? DO I NEED A COLLEAGUE, DPO? SO I THOUGHT APPROPRIATE.

AND THEN, UH, WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS TO THAT THE MAN COMPLAINS THAT ALL HIS TOOLS ARE ALL OVER THE, THE, THE STREET.

SO HE ALLOWS HIM TO GO STOP THE TRAFFIC, PICKS UP HIS TOOLS AND SO FORTH.

SOMEBODY IS SUPPOSED INTOXICATED, PICKS UP ALL THE TOOLS, PUT THE TOOLS UP, IT'S FINE.

AND THEN HE PROCEEDS TO START ASKING, CAN YOU FOLLOW? AND THE FLASHLIGHT TEST OR WHATEVER, WHAT YOU, WHAT, WHAT FOLLOWS NEXT IS THE MAN DISCUSSING THAT.

WHO'S GONNA HIT MY CAR IN SPANISH, YOU KNOW, IN SPANISH, BECAUSE CLEARLY WE ARE NOT SEEING THE WHOLE PICTURE.

WE BELIEVE THAT HE HIT THE CAR, BUT APPARENTLY SOMEONE IN FRONT STOPPED WHEN THEY SAW THE TRUCK AND HIT THE CAR.

SO HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WHO'S GONNA PAY MY, MY, MY CAR.

AND SO THERE, THE WE'RE WHERE WELL, JUAN WILL THINK THAT HE'S NOT THE, THAT THE PERSON IS NOT TRYING, IS TRYING NOT TO GET TESTED.

IF YOU LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION, YOU REALIZE THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT HE'S MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO HIM IN HIS TRUCK.

BUT OFFICER I IS IN THE MIDDLE OF ASKING FOR HIS ID, WHEN YOU SEEN THE CAMERA, THIS OTHER OFFICER, ONE OF HIS FELLOW OFFICERS RUNNING DASHING.

AND SO HE DROPS WHAT HE'S DOING AND RUN, BECAUSE IT TURNS OUT A THIRD OFFICER, UH, WAS IN THE PROCESS OF FIGHTING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TRYING TO ARREST, UH, PEDESTRIAN THAT WAS THERE.

AND THEY HEAR ON YOU, YOU CAN'T HEAR IT ON THE, ON THE CAMERA.

YOU HEAR THE GUYS, THERE'S SOME OFFICER UNDER DISTRESS AND FELLOW OFFICERS RUN TO GET HIM.

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS HIS THING.

HE DROPPED THIS AND WENT TO, TO HELP THIS OTHER FELLOW OFFICER, AND THEN THE INCIDENT WITH THE BLOW OCCURS AND SO FORTH.

ONCE HE HIT HIM, THEY WERE ABLE TO, TO UNHANDCUFF THEM.

UM, ONE OF THE CRITICAL THINGS THAT I THINK WAS, WAS, WAS MISSING IS THAT BOTH THE TWO OFFICERS THAT ARE INTERVIEWED, UH, REVIEWED PO UH, RE REFER TO, LET ME BACK UP.

THERE IS A EVIDENCE OF A MARK IN A LOWER BACK THAT LOOKS LIKE A FLAT, THAT MAYBE COULD BE THE VICTIM OF A FLASHLIGHT, A BLOW.

AND I THINK WE, MOST OF US BELIEVE THAT PROBABLY THAT WAS THE FLASHLIGHT.

IT'S ON THE SPINE, AND APPARENTLY JUST HITTING SOMEBODY IS A DIFFERENT CRIME THAN HITTING SOMEBODY IN SPECIFIC AREAS, SPINE, NECK, AND SO FORTH, THAT IT RAISES THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE.

BUT THE OFFICER CLAIMED THAT HE DID NOT HIT HIM IN THE SPINE.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OTHER OFFICERS, YOU DO, UH, I BELIEVE THERE, ONE OF THEM SAYS THE OFFICER PERFORMED A STRIKE ON THE UPPER BACK OF THE SUBJECT.

AND IN OTHER INTERVIEW, THE OTHER OFFICER SAYS, THE COMPLAINS, THIS PERSON COMPLAINED OF UPPER NECK PAIN AND SO FORTH, NOT LOWER BACK, WHICH WAS, WHICH, WHICH IS SPINE.

AND SO THAT, THAT TO ME IS LIKE, UH, ALSO, YOU SEE RIGHT AFTER THE BLOW, YOU SEE IMMEDIATE, IMMEDIATELY THE PERSON LIFT, WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO REFRAIN SOMEBODY, THEY WANT TO HAVE 'EM IN THE BACK BECAUSE IT'S LESS WIGGLY.

THIS PERSON WAS ON THEIR, ON THEIR FRONT.

SO THEY TURNED 'EM ON.

THEY HAD TO HAND THE HAND, HAND BEHIND.

SO APPARENTLY IT, THE, THIS BLOW SETTLED DEAL,

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SO I BELIEVE THAT PERSONALLY IN, IN THE PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING THE TWO OFFICERS, THEY, UH, WE NEGLECTED TO LISTEN TO THE OFFICERS SAYING THAT THIS, THE COMPLAINT OF THE VICTIM WEREN'T, WASN'T ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHERE THE, THE BLOW WAS, WHICH IS THE LOWER BACK.

SO I THINK THAT WE MAY HAVE JUST RUSHED TO, UM, RUSHED TO, UM, BELIEVE WHAT WE WANTED TO BELIEVE, WHICH IS THAT, THAT THERE'S A MARK THERE.

THE, THE OFFICER TRIES TO SAY THAT MARK LOOKS ALMOST OLD.

THAT'S NOT THE MARK OF AN HOUR AFTER.

BUT, UM, IT, I THINK THAT WAS ADDED TO THE, TO ME, THAT ADDED TO THE VIEW OF THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THINKING THIS YOUNG MAN IS NOT OWNING UP TO HIS RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT REISE IT, BUT MY OPINION, THERE WAS ARGUMENT, THERE WAS A VALID ARGUMENT TO SAY MAYBE THAT WASN'T A BLOW TO THE OTHER CHARGES.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, HE AGREED UP, UH, RIGHT AWAY, YES, HE NEGLECTED HIS NEGLECTED DUTY BY ABANDONING THE YOUNG, ABANDONING THE, UH, ABANDONING THE, UM, SUSPECT THAT WAS DRUNK.

UM, BUT HE GOT, HE FURTHER GOT IN TROUBLE BECAUSE WHEN THE INTERNAL OFFICER, WHEN THE OFFICER SAID, YOU LEFT SOMEBODY DRUNK WHO COULD THEN DR.

DRIVE OFF AND HURT SOMEBODY ELSE, AND HE SAID, ALLEGEDLY DRUNK.

AND THAT PROBABLY GOT HIM IN TROUBLE TOO.

BUT HONESTLY, IN MY PERSPECTIVE TOO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THIS, THAT'S VALID.

THIS PERSON WAS ALLEGEDLY, ALLEGEDLY DRUNK.

SO, UM, SO THE, AND I AGREE THAT NO, I, I, I AGREE THAT THE, THE REPORTS WERE HORRIBLE.

THE SAME THING.

HE NEGLECTED WRITING UP THAT REPORT RIGHT AWAY.

THAT'S A TECHNICAL, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

AND, UM, AND THE NEGLECT OF DUTY ABSOLUTELY CORRECT TOO, BECAUSE HE WILL BE, HE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PATTERN HERE.

AND OF COURSE I'M, I'M BIASED BECAUSE I SAW THE, THE OTHER CASE WHERE HE DROPPED THIS YOUNG LADY, NOT DROPPED HER, HE STOPPED.

HE WAS ARRESTING A YOUNG LADY STOPPED THAT, WENT, ADDRESSED THIS OTHER GUY, AND THIS PERSON ESCAPED.

SO THERE'S A PATTERN THERE OF FORGETTING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH.

SO, UH, YEAH, THE PUNISHMENTS, ONCE AGAIN, THE SAME THING.

WE, WHERE WE, WHERE WE NOT QUITE SURE IS THAT, IS THIS, ARE THESE THINGS TRAINABLE? BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, A 24-YEAR-OLD, I, ONCE AGAIN, I WAS 24 YEARS, MY WIFE WILL TELL YOU HOW STUPID I WAS WHEN I WAS 2014, STILL MARRIED TO HER.

AND THE INSTINCT ABOUT A, A FELLOW OFFICER IN TROUBLE DROPPING WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO GO HELP HIM IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD NOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT COULD, YOU COULD PRIORITIZE THAT OVER ARRESTING SOMEBODY WHO YOU MAY BELIEVE IS NOT THAT DRUNK.

SO I LEAVE THAT THERE.

THAT'S A SUMMARY OF 2 0, 2, 4, 7, 5 DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON, ON THE THING.

AND I SAID, WE AGREE WITH THREE OF THE, OF THE A OF APOS, UH, THING, BUT DISAGREE ON ON TWO OF THEM.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, YOU KNOW, I SAY GOING FORWARD IF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE USE THIS TIME TO, TO BRING BOTH SIDES OF ARGUMENTS AND SO FORTH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, GONNA BE CRUCIAL IN MAKING SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO WHAT, YOU KNOW, GIVE THE, THE COMMUNITY A PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING WHEN WE REVIEW THESE CASES.

THEY'RE GONNA BE CASES IN WHICH I KNOW IT'S MORE CONTROVERSIAL THAN SOME OF THESE, BUT THIS IS A START.

ALL OF THESE, ONCE AGAIN, ARE ONES THAT ALREADY ARE ALREADY THE DISCIPLINES.

THE DISCIPLINES HAVE BEEN DECIDED.

BUT IT'S A GOOD TEST FOR WHEN IT GETS TOUGHER IF WE EVER GET AHEAD OF THE CASES AND START HAVING THEM, UH, REVIEWED BEFORE THE POLICE CHIEF GETS A CHANCE TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

TO DISCUSSIONS AND ACTION ITEMS. IT IS, UH, IT'S BEEN, IT'S COME UP SEVERAL TIMES THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PRESS, AS HAS ASKED FOR AN INTERVIEW OR AN OPINION IN GENERAL FROM THE CPRC.

I GUESS WE CAN MOVE ON

[8. Discussion and election of a CPRC spokesperson and media relations officer. ]

AND, UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO US THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD ELECT ONE OF THE OFFICERS TO BE A, THE ME OR MEDIA RELATIONSHIP OFFICER OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? I WANTED TO, UM, PROPOSE, I WANTED A, A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT, UM, COMMISSIONER FRANCO CORTES TO THAT, TO THAT, UH, TO THAT POSITION.

YOU AND I'VE, I, UH, BEFOREHAND TALKED TO HER AND SHE AGREED THAT SHE WOULD, WOULD NOT MIND DOING THAT.

SO THAT WAS IT.

UM, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY PROPOSAL.

IF WE, 'CAUSE WE WANNA PICK SOMEBODY WHO CAN BE THE, THE, THE, THE,

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THE FACE OF THE CC I'M NOT, UH, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

I CAN'T DO IT.

I DON'T WANT TO.

I THINK SHE'S A MUCH BETTER, UM, PERSON TO DO IT AND WILLING TO DO IT TOO.

SHE'S THE VICE CHAIR.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA PROPOSE.

IF YOU GUYS AGREE, WE JUST, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN, UH, CAN GET THAT DONE.

NOW, QUESTION.

MY ONLY RESERVATION IS DOING IT IN HER ABSENCE.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE I SAID, I, I CHECKED WITH HER BEFORE, BEFORE, UH, BEFORE, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, IF SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT, AND SHE AGREED TO DO THAT, BUT I, IN HER ABSENCE, I WOULD PROBABLY VOTE, VOTE AGAINST IT WITHOUT HER BEING HERE TO SAY THAT SHE WANTS TO DO IT.

UM, AND THEN MY QUE OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A PO ALSO BE OUR, UH, BE THE, UH, SPOKESPERSON? WOULD THAT BE INAPPROPRIATE? THAT WOULD BE, YEAH.

WELL, WELL, THE WAY THAT THIS CAME UP IS THAT WE, WE HAD A REPORTER THAT REQUESTED TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO A COMMISSIONER.

AND SO THE ROLE THAT WE WOULD PLAY IS THAT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, MANAGER WOULD HELP COORDINATE THAT INTERVIEW.

SO WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE IS SHE WOULD ENSURE THAT THE REPORTER PROVIDED THE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, ALLOWING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REVIEW THOSE QUESTIONS AND PREPARE FOR THAT.

YOU COULD CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT.

IF YOU WANTED TO JUST DO THE INTERVIEW, SHE WOULD, YOU KNOW, COORDINATE THE DATES AND TIMES YOU WERE AVAILABLE, UH, FOR THAT.

AND SO THEY DID NOT WANT TO INTERVIEW US.

THEY ACTUALLY WANTED TO INTERVIEW, UH, A COMMISSIONER, UM, YEAH, THE CHAIR, UH, OR THE CO-CHAIR AT THE TIME.

UH, SO THAT'S HOW THIS CAME.

YEAH, THIS WASN'T MY INVENTION.

THEY, THEY ACTUALLY DID THE ONES THAT PROPOSED THAT MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE AN OFFICER WHO'S, WHO'S, UH, DO THAT.

UM, SO BECAUSE I, I, I, MULTIPLE TIMES I'VE BEEN ASKED AND I, I KEEP SAYING NO.

AND SO, YEAH.

SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY CONTACT US, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE WHO'S AVAILABLE OR WHO WANTS TO, AND IF WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER THAT WE COULD REACH OUT AND SAY, THE MEDIA IS REQUESTING AN INTERVIEW ON THIS DAY AT THIS TIME, AND THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS, WE'D HAVE THAT, THAT SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT FOR THAT.

IF, IF IT'S NOT URGENT, COULD WE GET AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING FROM HER? YOU, SHE'S WILLING TO ACCEPT THE ROLE AND, AND VOTE ON NEXT MEETING? WELL, I HAD A MOTION TO ELECT.

YOU CAN HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

THAT'S, WE CAN DO THAT.

RIGHT? AND, AND SIR, WE, WE DO HAVE THE EMAIL IN WRITING IN WHICH SHE AGREED TO.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE AGREEMENT WAS BASED ON THAT ONE INTERVIEW OR ALL INTERVIEWS MOVING FORWARD.

SO , YEAH, SHE'S BEEN ASKED BEFORE AND, AND SO FORTH, AND SHE'S ALWAYS REFERRED TO ME AND ASKED ME.

I SAID, FINE, FINE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GUYS CAME AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD FIND SOMEBODY, SHE'S LIKE A NATURAL PERSON.

DO IT WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS ALREADY, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A LEADER, YOU LOOK FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY DOING WHAT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO DO.

AND I FIND THAT'S WHY, AND THAT'S WHY I'M STRONG.

I WAS STRONGLY RECOMMENDING IT.

I DIDN'T THINK THERE WOULD BE MUCH OBJECTION, BUT THAT'S WHY.

SO WAS HER EMAIL TO AGREE TO DO THIS, ACCEPT THIS ROLE? YEAH, WE'LL PUT THE EMAIL UP.

UH, RYAN CAN LOOK FORWARD, BUT I THINK, I THINK THE EMAIL SAID THAT SHE WOULD AGREE TO BE THE SPOKESPERSON, BUT I'M EXACT WORD FOR THAT.

SHE AND I DISCUSSED IT AT, AT, AT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, YEAH, WE DISCUSSED IT IN DETAIL THAT SHE WOULD, SHE WANTED, SHE AGREED TO BE THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE, THE COMMISSION.

SO, UM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN STILL VOTE.

NO, I CANNOT APPROVE IT.

AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE TO BRING IT UP NEXT TIME.

SO I, I, AS A MOTION TO ELECT THE CPRC SPOKESPERSON AND MEDIA RELATIONSHIP OFFICER TO HAVE A SECOND.

HI SECOND.

I THINK YOU'D BE A GREAT SPOKEPERSON SPOKEPERSON.

AND SO WE GO AHEAD.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? YES.

CAN WE, UM, FOR THAT'S MEETING, ALSO APPOINT A BACKUP BECAUSE JUST LIKE IN THIS CASE, SHE'S NOT AVAILABLE AND SHE MAY BE TRAVELING OR SOMETHING ELSE, AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY SELECT ANOTHER ONE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

I, I SAY IF, IF ELECTED WE LET HER, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY DEFER TO HER TO, TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.

SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL THAT VOTE NOW.

UH, ALL, OH, GO AHEAD.

ANY MORE.

SORRY, I SHOULD SAY ANY MORE DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION? YEAH.

UM, WE DO HAVE THE EMAIL FROM COMMISSIONER FRANCO.

THE EMAIL IS TO SARAH, SO AS HE, UH, SPEAK, CALL THE NAME SARAH, JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE THAT SARAH IS OUR, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE MANAGER.

CAN YOU READ THAT EMAIL TO THE RECORD, UH, DIRECTOR AGAIN, AGAIN.

AND

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SO ON MONDAY, UH, FEBRUARY THE NINTH AT 11:30 AM SARAH HAD RECEIVED A EMAIL FROM LAURA FRANCO AND IT STATES, HELLO, SARAH, WITH THE CHAIR'S APPROVAL.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HANDLE ALL INTERVIEWS.

IMMEDIATE REQUEST, UH, SIGN, LAURA FRANCO, LITTLE TRUST .

YES, I'M, I'M WITH YOU.

SO, UH, UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS? ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THAT? SORRY.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANCO BEING OUR CPRC SPOKESPERSON AND MEDIA RELATIONSHIP OFFICER, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, SAY AYE.

AYE.

NEXT TOPIC IS OUR FUTURE AGENDA.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE SQUEAKED SIX TO NOTHING.

[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

AND OVER THE LAST FEW MEETINGS WE HAVE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'VE PUT BACK IN A BACK, YOU KNOW, BACKBOARD, SAY WE KEEP POSTPONING THINGS, UH, EITHER, AND SOME OF THEM KIND OF, I WAS AFRAID THEY WOULD FALL IN THE CRACK, SO I TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF ALL THE POSSI, THE THINGS THAT WERE MISSING, AND THEN OF COURSE, WE CAN ADD ANY MORE TODAY.

UM, AND WE NEEDED THE, FOR THEM TO BE ON A RECORD, I NEEDED TO FIND THEM.

I NEEDED TO GO THROUGH AND, AND, AND MENTION THEM.

BUT I'LL START BY ASKING ANYBODY ELSE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN FUTURE AGENDAS? AND BY THE WAY, I, I TOOK, LEMME TAKE A PARENTHESIS HERE.

THE PROCESS IS USUALLY A WEEK BEFORE MEETINGS.

WE TRY TO, TO, TO PROVIDE THE STAFF LIAISON, WHAT I CALL THE CHAIR PRELIMINARY AGENDA, WHAT WE THINK IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE WANT TO, THERE, IT GIVES THEM TIME TO GO AND CHECK WITH THE CITY CLERK AND ON LEGAL.

THERE'S, BELIEVE ME, THERE'VE BEEN TIMES WHERE VALUABLE TO DO THAT, SO FORTH.

SO THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS TO GIVE ME SOME TIME TO, SO IT MEANS THAT YOU, IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT, TRY TO HAVE A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE THAT WHERE YOU SEND YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING IN THE AGENDA, YOU CHAMPION IT, GET A SECOND, AND SEND US THAT.

SEND THE CHAIR OF VICE CHAIR, UH, SAYING, I HAVE THIS TO BE AN AGENDA AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER X.

AND THAT'S A PROCESS.

UM, AND SO FORTH.

SO, UM, SO THIS LIST, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO GO THROUGH IS NOT COMPREHENSIVE, IT'S JUST THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE FELL IN THE CRACK.

AND SO PLEASE, UM, BE FREE TO, UH, TO ADD TO THAT.

BYLAWS, BYLAWS, DISCUSSION AND AMENDMENTS.

MAY I, UH, YEAH.

COOL.

YEAH, I, WHAT I SAID EARLIER IS TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON, UM, DISCIPLINARY METHODS, UM, FROM A PO, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT, BUT, UH, MAYBE WE MAY REACH OUT TO OUR COLLEAGUES IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND LET THEM, BECAUSE IT'S THEIR POLICY AND THEY CAN ASK MORE INTEL, ANSWER MORE INTELLIGENTLY TO THEIR POLICY.

SO, UM, THE CPRC ONE YEAR SUMMARY OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CHALLENGES, JUST COMPLIANT WITH SECTION 2 15 4 DASH D SEVEN.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT TOGETHER.

AND, UH, WE WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE AGENDA.

COMMISSIONER HARRIS HAD VOLUNTEERED TO GIVE A START, BUT HE'S NOT HERE TO THEN, UM, REVIEW AND EDIT THE CPCS INTERNAL OPERATION PROCEDURE.

WE STARTED THAT AND THERE WERE SOME OBJECTIONS TO IT.

UH, AND, UM, BUT THEN SAID, WE'RE GONNA AMEND THAT FOR INTERNAL PROCEDURE PROCEDURES, AND THAT'S ALSO PENDING.

THEN WE ALSO WOULD HAVE A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO ACCESS TO CASE FILES UNDER CITY CODE.

IT'S ALSO ONE THAT'S FELL IN THE CRACK.

A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR AN ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD FOR THE COMMISSION.

ONCE AGAIN, SOME OF THESE WE COULD DECIDE NOT TO, TO DROP IT OR NOT, BUT THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WERE WE, WE SAID WE, WE'LL, WE'LL TABLE, AND WE NEVER, WE'VE NOT GONE BACK TO THEM.

I THINK THERE'S A BYLAW WORKING GROUP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON THOSE.

IT'S, IT'S, UH, MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING TO DO AND IF THE RESULT IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT, THAT'S B BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT, UH, IN ONE OF OUR SUBC COMMENT MEETINGS.

UM, PRESENT DRAFT RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR REVIEW BY THE FULL COMMISSION.

REGARDING THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT COMPLIANCE WITH AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT ACT.

NEXT WILL BE DISCUSSION OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION'S, RECENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCILS

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THEN CONSIDERATION OF HANDLING CONFIDENTIAL VERSUS PUBLIC INFORMATION, ENSURING THE COMMISSION MAINTAINS PROPER SAFEGUARDS WHEN INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC.

YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING, YOU KNOW, FOR MAINTAINING PRIVACY AND SOMETIMES COMPLICATED WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU INTERRUPTED ME.

NOT SURE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE WANNA CLARIFY WITH THAT.

NICE TO GET SOME GUIDELINES ON WHAT'S, WHAT'S CONSIDERED PUBLIC OR NOT.

SO WE KNOW WHEN WE, UH, HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO ARREST OR FINE.

AND THEN I HAVE HERE A REVIEW OF APDS POLICY OF OFFICE INVOLVED CASES.

THAT WAS SOMETHING I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, FLORIDA MENTIONED BEFORE.

AND THAT'S THE LAST, THE ONLY ONE I THE LAST I HAVE HERE.

SO THOSE WILL BE ON THE RECORD NEXT TIME.

AND THEN WE CAN MAKE SURE, AND ONCE AGAIN, A REMINDER, PLEASE, WE GIVE US SOME EXTRA TIME IF YOU HAVE ANY THINGS YOU WANT AN AGENDA TO PLEASE, UH, MAKE SURE THEY, THEY GET TO US ENOUGH TIME THAT WE CAN DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE WE GIVE THEM TO THE STAFF.

UH, LIAISON, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON RECORD, UM, AND I'LL GET A SECOND, BUT I, BEFORE I FORGET, UM, BASED ON WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY, UM, JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR A PD TO ADD A DASHBOARD REGARDING THE ICE INTERACTIONS.

THEY SAID IT'S ALREADY DATA.

THEY SEND THE CITY COUNCIL EVERY QUARTER ANYWAY, IF THEY COULD HAVE A DASHBOARD FOR TRANSPARENCY FOR THE CITIZENS TO SEE WHAT THOSE INTERACTIONS LOOK LIKE.

UM, AND THEN MY OTHER ONE WAS, AND OH NO, I WAS GONNA ASK TOO, UM, IS COMMISSIONER HARRIS STILL ACTIVELY WITH US? 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN A COUPLE WEEKS.

UH, IF HE, I KNOW HE PROPOSED SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT UP, BUT IF HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, I'LL, I'LL PICK UP THE SLACK.

YES, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT.

I'VE BEEN IN, SORRY, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH HIM AND JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT TO THIS MEETING EITHER, BUT YEAH.

AND THEN, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING DUE TO THE CHIEF.

NO, I THINK COMM COMMISSIONER, I MEANT MS. MCCANN MENTIONED SOMETHING DUE TO THE CHIEF IN APRIL AND I BELIEVE SOMEONE'S WORKING ON IT, BUT CAN WE MAKE SURE WE GET THAT DONE? SO THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE HER BASICALLY THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND EVERYTHING FOR THE APRIL MEETING.

SO CAN WE GET THAT DONE FOR MARCH SO THAT SHE, COMMISSIONER FLOOD, I'LL BE SENDING OUT AN EMAIL ASKING FOR YOUR INPUT ON WHAT TOPICS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR DISCUSS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THEN, UM, OH, AND THEN MY ASK IS, BECAUSE A PO IS DOING SO MANY EVENTS, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE DOING ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 PER MONTH, ANY ANYWAY, SINCE WE DO HAVE THE VIGILANCE TO, TO DO THAT, THAT WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT INCORPORATING WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN BE IN THE SAME PLACES AT THE SAME TIME.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING ENOUGH OUTREACH, BUT THEY'RE DOING A LOT AND IT'S NOT A COMPETITION.

IT SHOULD BE COLLABORATIVE.

SO IF WE CAN SYNC OUR CALENDARS AND SYNC OUR EVENTS AND SYNC OUR FUNDING OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN BE PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION.