* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] INTO [CALL TO ORDER] ORDER. TODAY IS MARCH 20TH, 2026. UH, IT'S 3:01 PM UM, THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE WANNA DO IS CONFIRM QUORUM. SO IF I CAN ASK SOMEBODY TO NAME OUT BUDDY JUAN BY JUAN. AND AS YOUR CALL, I'LL JUST SAY PRESENT AND, UH, OR RAISE YOUR HANDS. SURE. ALRIGHT. SO I DO APOLOGIZE IF I PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME WRONG IN ANY WAY. UM, CARLOS GRES PRESENT. R RUBEN DE LA PA LOOKS LIKE HE IS NOT PRESENT. TERRY FLOOD PRESENT. AND HERE. CHRISTOPHER HARRIS THAT IS. I, I AM PRESENT. LEE PETERMAN LOOKS LIKE HE IS NOT PRESENT. UH, CELESIO WILLIAMS LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE NOT PRESENT. LAURA FRANCO PRESENT. OKAY. DEREK EUGENE. LOOKS LIKE HE IS NOT PRESENT. MARISSA JOHNSON PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. LAURA PENA PRESENT. OKAY. CATHERINE RUSSELL LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT PRESENT. LOOKS LIKE WE'VE CONFIRMED QUORUM SO WE CAN CONTINUE. UH, FIRST I WANNA WELCOME ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS AND, AND GUESTS. AND TO START WITH, I WANNA MAKE MENTION WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS, UH, CELESTE WILLIAM, WHO'S NOT HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE HAVE HONORED TO. I HAVE, UH, MARISSA JOHNSON HAS JOINED US AS A NEW COMMISSIONER. OKAY. UH, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELF? MY NAME IS MARISSA JOHNSON. MY NAME IS MARISSA JOHNSON. MY PRONOUNS ARE SHE AND HER. UH, I'M GLAD TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. THANKS. AND, AND WELCOME. WELCOME. SO NEXT WE'D LIKE [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL] TO START WITH A PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. AND, UH, WE HAVE THREE CITIZENS, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, SIGN UP TO SPEAK. I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, JACQUELINE HARTON. HARON, PLEASE COME FROM, IT'S HARRINGTON, RIGHT? I SAID, OKAY. OH, SORRY. MY NAME IS JACQUELINE HARRINGTON. I'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES. UM, I CAME IN AUGUST AND I COMPLAINED OF AN OFFICER WHO HANDLED A CONDUCT AND CONDUCTED A INVESTIGATION INVOLVING MY HOME, MY HOMESTEAD, AN ELDERLY, UM, SPOUSE BY THE NAME OF DON GRANT. UM, OFFICER SMITH HAD CONDUCTED AN INVESTIGATION THAT WAS TIED TO AN INSURANCE CLAIM AND PRIVATE ATTORNEYS. SO SMITH HEADED THAT INVESTIGATION. UM, IT LATER FOUND OUT TO BE TIED TO DEEDS THAT WERE FILED INTO THE REAL PROPERTY RECORDS. THEY HAVE SINCE, BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE, BEEN FOUND TO BE, UM, NOT LEGITIMATE. SO THE NARRATIVE WAS TWO TRACKS. THE TRACKS WAS THAT MR. GRANT, WHO WAS ELDERLY, HAD SOLD THE HOME TO THIS COMPANY. UM, AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, MADE THE SALE LEGITIMATE. ALTHOUGH IT WAS NOT, UM, SMITH FAILED TO EVEN VERIFY THE TRANSACTION YEARS LATER, AND I MEAN, YEARS LATER. 'CAUSE THIS HAPPENED IN 20, 23 YEARS LATER, IT HAS BEEN FOUND THAT THE DEEDS WERE NOT VALID. THE TRANSACTION WENT TO A THIRD PARTY. IT WASN'T EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT HE HAD SAID. SO, HINDSIGHT, MYSELF AND MR. GRANT, BOTH WERE ARRESTED FOR THEFT OF PROPERTY, PROPERTY, OUR OWN PROPERTY. IN THE INVESTIGATION THAT, THAT MR. SMITH, UM, HEADED, THERE'S 31 CALLS AND 31 WITNESS INTERVIEWS WHERE HE'S GOING BY THE HOUSE AND HE'S REPORTING TO THE ALLEGED VICTIM. I WENT BY THE HOUSE, I SEEN IT. THEY GOT OUT AND THEY HAVE A CONVERSATION LIKE THEY'RE BOYS ON THE STREET. THERE'S 31 DIFFERENT, UM, RECORDINGS. HE NEVER VERIFIED THAT THE TRANSACTION AND THE NARRATIVE DIDN'T MATCH. HE NEVER VERIFIED THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT HE SAID WE TOOK THIS MONEY FROM WERE IN CALIFORNIA. HE NEVER VERIFIED, OR MAYBE HE DID THAT. THIS WAS TIED TO AN INSURANCE CLAIM WHERE THAT SAME, THOSE SAME BENEFITS HAD ALREADY BEEN SIPHONED BY AN ATTORNEY BY THE NAME OF PATRICK KEMP, WHO WAS NATIONWIDE'S INSURANCE, UH, ATTORNEY. OKAY. WE DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THIS, SO WE FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO CALL FOR AN INVESTIGATION OF HOW IT WAS HANDLED. UM, THE, THE PARTIES THAT WERE INVOLVED AND, AND AT LEAST VERIFY THE TRANSACTION BECAUSE MR. GRANT'S CHARGES WERE DISMISSED. I'M STILL GOING TO COURT FOR THEFT OF PROPERTY [00:05:01] AND CASE NUMBER D ONE DC 3 0 3 4 1 1 AS RIGHT NOW TODAY, PLEADING FURTHER. WHEN I CAME HERE IN AUGUST, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL, I WENT BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND I'VE SINCE TRIED TO FILE ADDITIONAL REPORTS. ONE OF THEM WAS 2 0 2 5 9 0 1 9 5 4 3 BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THAT'S THEIR JURISDICTION. YOU GOTTA FILE CHARGES. SO I GO ONLINE AND I FILE THE, THE REPORT IS APPROVED AND THEN IT'S CLOSED. OKAY, SO THAT'S THAT ONE. AGAIN, I HAVE 2 0 2 6 9 0 0 7 4 4 5 FOR FORGERY. SO I'M ABLE TO FILE THE COMPLAINTS, BUT THEY'RE CLOSED WITHOUT ANY INVESTIGATION. NOW I KNOW I'VE GOTTA GO, THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT THAT I FILED IN MAY BEFORE ANY OF THIS STARTED WAS IN MAY, AND IT WAS SUPPRESSED BEFORE MY ARREST. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT REPORT IS. THANK YOU. CAN YOU TAKE THE NEXT PERSON AND SKIP OVER ME? UM, NEXT THEN PETER HUNT. HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS PETER HUNT. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. UH, I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL COMMENT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPENED LAST TIME REGARDING THE GENERAL ORDERS. WHEN THAT MEETING OCCURRED, WE HAD NOT YET SEEN THE NEWLY RELEASED CHANGES TO THE GENERAL ORDERS IN LIGHT OF SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT POLICE COORDINATION WITH ICE. UM, SINCE THOSE WERE RELEASED, BETWEEN THAT MEETING AND THIS ONE, I WANTED TO GIVE SOME COMMENTS ON ABC'S PERSPECTIVE ON THOSE GENERAL ORDERS. SOME THINGS THAT WE LIKE, SOME THINGS THAT WE DON'T, UH, AND ALSO MAKE MY SALE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS EITHER NOW OR AFTER THE COMMISSION IS DONE. MEETING. UM, IN GENERAL, THE CHANGES TO GENERAL ORDERS, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND ONLINE, UH, HAVE A COUPLE OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT THEM. IN PARTICULAR, THEY CALL OUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS BY NAME AND ADDRESS THOSE SPECIFICALLY, WHICH WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY COVERED QUITE PRECISELY. UH, AND THEY ALSO REQUIRE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENTATION BY OFFICERS AND COMMANDING OFFICERS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN CONTACTING ICE. UM, THESE ARE BOTH GOOD THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE AND THAT WE SUPPORT. UM, HOWEVER, I DO THINK THAT THERE IS STILL, UNFORTUNATELY, A KIND OF FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH HOW THE GENERAL ORDER IS STRUCTURED. AND THAT COMES BACK TO THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS FOR HOW AN OFFICER ON A SCENE GOES ABOUT CONTACTING EITHER ICE AND THEN THEIR COMMANDING OFFICER. UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE AN OFFICER IS EMPOWERED FIRST TO CONTACT ICE BEFORE GOING TO A COMMANDING OFFICER WHO CAN GIVE A RESOURCE EVALUATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT CONTACT CAN HAPPEN, THIS MEANS THAT DE FACTO ANY INDIVIDUAL OFFICER CAN FUNCTION AS AN ICE AGENT. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, NOT ALL OF THEM WOULD DO SO, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT TO BORROW PRAISE FROM A PHILOSOPHY, UM, A POSSIBILITY ONCE IS A NECESSITY FOREVER. IF SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN, EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO EXPECT THAT IT WILL HAPPEN AT SOME POINT AND WILL KEEP HAPPENING. THIS MEANS THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS NEED TO TREAT EVERY OFFICER AS POSSIBLY AN ICE AGENT. MM-HMM . THIS IS BASICALLY CORROSIVE TO COMMUNITY TRUST, TO ENGAGEMENT WITH THE POLICE, TO ENABLING POLICE, TO COORDINATE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON ANY SORT OF CRIME. UM, AND IT'S STILL A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE, UNFORTUNATELY, IN HOW THE GENERAL ORDERS AS THEY'VE BEEN MODIFIED OR STRUCTURED. AND WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AS AN ONGOING ISSUE. THERE'S ALSO A PROBLEM OF LANGUAGE, UH, THAT SPECIFICALLY HAS TO DO WITH HOW THE GENERAL ORDERS REFER TO AN ARRESTABLE OFFENSE. UM, MANY OFFENSES ARE ARRESTABLE AND AUSTIN AS ITS OWN JURISDICTION, HAS DECIDED UNDER SORT OF THE, UH, UM, FREEDOM CITY'S SET OF POLICIES THAT OFFICERS SHOULDN'T ARREST FOR CERTAIN SORT OF OFFENSES. BUT ARRESTABLE OFFENSE IS A, A STATE TERMINOLOGY. UM, AND IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE INSTEAD IF THE GENERAL ORDER IS REFERRED TO, UH, CITY POLICY RATHER THAN USING THE ARRESTABLE OFFENSE CHARGE AND REFERRED TO, UM, THAT INSTEAD, BECAUSE THIS WOULD THEN NARROW THE EXPECTED RANGE WHILE STILL BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW FOR THE KIND OF OFFENSES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, OFFICERS TO CONSIDER CONTACTING ICE EVEN UNDER THE ORDERS AS THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED. SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ON THAT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE RECORD ON SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAD COME UP LAST TIME, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TERESA. THEREA HAYS HAYES, ALSO KNOWN AS PARDON? ALSO KNOWN AS HAYES . OH, OKAY. HELLO. I'VE BEEN ARRESTED FOUR TIMES WITHOUT CAUSE. THREE OF THOSE TIMES I HAD ACTUALLY ASKED FOR HELP AND ASSISTANCE FROM OFFICERS TRYING [00:10:01] TO FILE A STALKING REPORT OR HAVING SOMETHING WRONG IN MY VEHICLE AFTER I'D HAD MULTIPLE SURGERIES TO BE ARRESTED. WHEN TRYING TO ASK FOR HELP IS ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA TAKE HIGH PROFILE STAKE STALKING CASES AND INVESTIGATE 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING FAVORS, KICKBACKS, AND VIOLATING THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MUCH MONEY. I'VE GOT SEVEN 18 COUNT 19 COUNTS FOR A FEDERAL LAWSUIT. IN A RICOH CASE, WE'RE TALKING DEPRIVATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. USC 1983. COUNT TWO, RICO THREE, HOBBES, FOUR, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND EVIDENCE TAMPERING, TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS, VICTIM OR INFORMANT, DESTRUCTION OF OR ALTERATION OR FALSIFICATION OF RECORDS, SPOILATION OF EVIDENCE, MEDICAL ASSAULT, MEDICAL MALPRACTICE, CYBER STALKING, DEFAMATION, INTENTIONAL INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS AND HARM THEFT, CIVIL CONSPIRACY, TORTUOUS INTERFERENCE, HIPAA AND PRIVACY VIOLATIONS, INSTITUTIONAL LIABILITY, AIDING AND ABETTING OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY OF CORPORATE OFFICERS AGAINST ANOTHER AGENCY. UM, AND THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO CONSCIENCE, DON'T CARE HOW THEY'RE DESTROYING PEOPLE'S LIVES IS ABSOLUTELY UNCONSCIONABLE. I WAS NOT GIVEN ALL OF MY DISABILITY AND SSI FUNDS ALL AT ONCE, EVEN THOUGH THE JUDGE HAD ORDERED THAT I HAD BEEN ASSAULTED. I'VE BEEN INJURED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. I NOW REQUIRE NECK SURGERY DUE TO BEING ASSAULTED BY HOUSTON POLICE OFFICERS. THEN I GO AND TRY TO FILE ANOTHER STALKING REPORT AND I'M PUT IN A PSYCH WARD. THEY'RE USING THIS AS OBSTRUCTION. THE, THEN THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MY VEHICLE GOING THROUGH MY VEHICLE. AND IT'S EVIDENCE TAMPERING, IT'S INVASION OF EVERY RIGHT THAT I SHOULD HAVE. AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD HAVE HELPED ME DIDN'T SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING FAVORS, KICKBACKS, AND PAYOFFS AND THEIR KIDS ENTRY INTO UT AS A FAVOR. THIS IS MESSED UP AND IT HAS TO END BECAUSE AUSTIN AND, UH, HHS ARE MAKING PEOPLE HOMELESS. WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING THAT. WE SHOULD BE WANTING PEOPLE TO GET OFF THE SYSTEM, NOT TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE ON THE SYSTEM. WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF OFF THE SYSTEM, IT'S THE TAXPAYERS WHO ARE PAYING FOR IT. INSTEAD. I AM A REAL ESTATE AGENT. I'VE GOT THREE DEGREES. I'VE GOT ASSOCIATE IN ARTS, ASSOCIATE IN SCIENCE, AND A-B-A-A-S WITH A MINOR IN LAW. I'M NOT STUPID. IT'S, UH, NOT NORMAL FOR US TO COMMENT, BUT CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? HAVE YOU FILED, UH, ANYTHING WITH A PO SPECIFICALLY? AND, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY WITH A PD WITH, UH, AUSTIN POLICE OFFICERS, YOU HAVE A, A FIRE CASE AND IF YOU HAVE THAT, CAN, CAN YOU HAVE THE NUMBER? YES, UH, I HAVE, AND IT WAS THE CASE MOST RECENTLY WHEN I WAS ILLEGALLY DETAINED JUST TRYING TO FILE A STALKING REPORT. AND THEY START TRYING TO PLAY THE MENTAL HEALTH CARD SAYING, AND THEY, I MEAN, THEY SAID THREE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I WAS TRYING TO, THAT I WAS DELUSIONAL SO THAT I WAS TRYING TO SQUARE UP ON THEM AND THAT I WAS, UM, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT IS YOUR, DOES, SO DO YOU HAVE FILED A CASE WITH A PO AND SO WE CAN GO AND AND LOOK THAT UP? YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. OKAY. AND I ALSO WONDER, UM, MS. HARRINGTON, WOULD YOU MIND COME UP AGAIN? I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU A SIMILAR QUESTION IF YOU PLEASE, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO FILE A COMPLAINT SPECIFICALLY WITH AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT WITH, UH, AGAINST, UH, OFFICER SMITH? SEVEN OF THEM. OKAY. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK UP THEN? MM-HMM . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. COULD I SAY ONE MORE QUICK THING? IT'S REAL FAST. I'VE ALREADY WORKED ON FILING A LAW TO WHERE IT PROHIBITS LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM NOT TAKING A STALKING REPORT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO FILE ONE TO PROTECT VICTIM'S RIGHTS. THANKS. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH GUYS. APPRECIATE THE, THE INFORMATION. LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE, WE HAVE A LIMITED, UH, UM, RESPONSIBILITIES HERE, BUT SOME OF THIS DOES FALL IN THE REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED WITH A PO. WE, UH, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON, ON THAT. OKAY. UH, NEXT I'D LIKE TO, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] NEXT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UM, TRY TO DO A APPROVE OF THE MINUTES ITEM ONE, [00:15:01] GIVE YOU GUYS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT, UH, COPIES OF THE MINUTES OF OUR FEBRUARY 27TH, 2025. IF THERE IS NO CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS, I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO, UM, TRY TO MOTION FOR APPROVAL. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE FEBRUARY, 2027, THE FEBRUARY 27TH, 2026 MEETING. UH, NOTICE, SAY AYE, OR LIFT YOUR HANDS. AYE. AYE. A. OKAY, SO THAT'S ONLY, UH, FOUR, SO I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO, I WASN'T HERE, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH, I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ABSTAIN UNTIL I LOOK AT IT. THAT'S FINE. SO I GUESS WE WILL POSTPONE THAT APPROVAL FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? THANK YOU. [Item 2 & Item 3] I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, STAFF BRIEFING REGARDING PROCESS OF WORK WITH THE POLICE TECHNOLOGY UNIT AND INTERNAL DRIVE FOR THE CPRC TO ACCESS CASE FILES. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER SCALE MCCANN DIRECTOR AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT. UH, WE HAVE NOTHING NEW TO REPORT IN TERMS OF THE INTERNAL DRIVE FOR THE CPRC TO ACCESS CASE FILES. UM, DID WANT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE EXECUTIVE LIAISON MONTHLY UPDATE. UM, WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AN ANNUAL REPORT, UH, AND WORK ON OUR ANNUAL GOALS TO KEEP THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. A PO AND A PD HAD THEIR MONTHLY LEADERSHIP MEETING ON MARCH 3RD DURING THAT MEETING. ON THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSIONS WAS CLASSIFICATIONS, WHICH YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH. AS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CLASS A, B, C, AND DAPD WILL NO LONGER USE CLASS C AND D. AND THOSE CASES THAT WERE CLASSIFIED AS C AND D WILL BE USED AS AN I FOR INFORMATION FOR COMPLAINTS THAT RESULT IN A NO POLICY VIOLATION. REVIEW OF THE, THE CASE I COMPLAINTS WILL BE CONDUCTED WITHIN THE OFFICER'S CHAIN OF COMMAND. IAD WILL ALSO HAVE LIMITED AVAILABILITY TO ENGAGE WITH US THIS MONTH, JUST DUE TO THE SPRING BREAK TIME. UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR MASTERS AND I MET WITH THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND THE BUDGET STAFF ON MARCH 6TH TO DISCUSS SERVICES AND PRIORITIZATIONS REGARDING THE 27 28 BUDGET. IF THERE ARE ANY BUDGET IMPACTS IN TERMS OF OUR BUDGET, WE'LL BE SURE TO FOLLOW BACK UP AND MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. UPCOMING ACTIVITIES, OF COURSE, YOUR NEXT MEETING IS ON APRIL 17TH. UM, SO WE HAVE THAT HERE. SO RYAN HAS, UH, ONBOARDED ALL THE NEWEST COMMISSIONERS AND ALTERNATES. SO, UH, WELCOME COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. UH, ALL THE NEW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THEIR CBI CHECKS. THEY'VE ALL GAINED ACCESS TO THEIR CITY ISSUED EMAIL ACCOUNTS AND COMPLETED THE CLERK'S TRAINING FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UM, WE ARE STILL WORKING ON GETTING SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO COMPLETE THE CYBERSECURITY AWARENESS, UH, TRAINING THAT IS DUE ON MAY 31ST IF YOU STILL NEED ASSISTANCE. OR, OR RATHER, THE DEADLINE IS MAY 31ST. IS THAT CORRECT? RYAN? 31ST. MAY 31ST. UH, IF YOU STILL NEED ASSISTANCE IN ACCESSING THAT DATABASE TO COMPLETE THAT TRAINING, PLEASE FOLLOW UP, UH, WITH RYAN GA I MAY INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND. IS I'M, I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING. IS THAT LIKE A YEARLY THING THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE TO DO? IT'S AN ANNUAL TRAINING THAT ALL CITY EMPLOYEES AND COMMISSIONERS ARE REQUIRED TO DO EACH YEAR. OKAY. I WAS JUST, THEY THINK US PRETTY REGULARLY. I'M PRETTY GOOD AT IGNORING IT, BUT I'M, I WAS JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE I, I REMEMBER LAST YEAR AND I WAS LIKE, I'M SEEING IT AGAIN. SO I WAS LIKE, THERE MUST BE AN ANNUAL THING, SO YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S A STATE MANDATE AND ALL CITY EMPLOYEES AND COMMISSIONS ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT. COMPLETE IT. SO YEAH, YOU HAVE TO MAY 31ST TO COMPLETE THAT TRAINING. THE COMPLAINTS DIVISION WILL BE, UH, RECRUITING TO FILL A VACANT POSITION OF THE COMPLAINTS DIVISION SUPERVISOR ON MONDAY, MARCH 23RD. CURRENTLY, UM, BRENNAN HERE, BRENNAN DURAN HAS SERVED THE ROLE AS THE INTERIM, UH, COMPLAINT SUPERVISOR. SO WE'LL BE, UH, RECRUITING TO IDENTIFY THE A PERMANENT SUPERVISOR, UH, NEXT WEEK. AND THE POLICY AND RESEARCH DIVISION IS REVIEWING APPLICATIONS AND PREPARED TO INTERVIEW TO FILL A VACANT POLICY ANALYST POSITION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR OFFICE. A PO REQUESTED IAD DOWNLOAD ONE CASE TO THE SHARED DIGITAL CASE FOLDER. UH, FOR CPRC REVIEW, THE DOWNLOAD WAS COMPLETE AND [00:20:01] TWO WORKING DAYS IN ALL CASES HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO A-C-P-R-C DESIGNATED REVIEW REVIEW GROUPS. SO, AS YOU KNOW, CHIEF DAVIS HAS BEEN MADE AWARE, UH, AND INFORMED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH HER ON APRIL 17TH. WE ARE STILL AWAITING THE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION. I UNDERSTAND THAT COMMISSIONER, UH, EUGENE IS, IS PREPARING THAT, UH, THE DRAFT CPRC ONE YEAR REPORT. UH, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S STILL IN, IN PROGRESS. AND WITH COMMISSIONER HARRIS, THAT'S THE LEAD ON THAT, ON THAT PROJECT. YES. THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS MY, THAT IS MY, UH, IF THAT HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED YET, THAT IS MY FAULT. I WILL TAKE BLINK FOR THAT ONE. AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE RESPONSE FROM A PD RELATED TO THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT AND REPORT WAS DUE ON MARCH 9TH. WE HAVE RECEIVED THAT REPORT, I THINK IT WAS IN YOUR BACKUP DOCUMENTS. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NOT YET. NO, NOT YET. OKAY. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THAT REPORT, BUT THAT, UM, A PD HAS COMPLETED THAT RESPONSE TO THE 2024 END REPORT. THE CITY LAUNCHED, UM, A REDESIGN OF ITS AUSTIN TEXAS.GOV WEBSITE ON YESTERDAY. AND SO AS YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE A VERY NEW DESIGN, UH, THERE THAT HAPPENED ON YESTERDAY. THERE'S REALLY NO ANTICIPATED OPERATIONAL CHANGES OR ACTION STEPS FOR THE COMMISSION. JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE, UH, THE, THE WEBSITE REALLY YOU'LL SEE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY OVER, UM, CALL ON THAT AND ENHANCED SEARCH FUNCTIONALITY FOR THAT WEBSITE. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THEIR ABILITY TO SEARCH FOR DOCUMENTS. AND SO WE ARE HOPING WITH THE NEW DESIGN AND THE NEW LAUNCH THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL SEE, UM, THE SEARCH FUNCTIONALITY IMPROVED ON, ON A NEW DESIGN AND A NEW WEBSITE. WE PARTICIPATED IN AID EVENTS, UM, IN MARCH. WE ANTICIPATE PARTICIPATING IN AID EVENTS, INCLUDING THE MONTHLY POPUP RESOURCE CLINIC, A MEETING WITH THE TRINITY CENTER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE TRINITY CENTER, BUT THE TRINITY CENTER IS THE ORGANIZATION THAT ADDRESS BASIC NEEDS FOR THE UNHOUSED COMMUNITY. AND, UH, WE ALSO MET WITH THE NORTH AUSTIN MUSLIM COMMUNITY CENTERS, UM, DURING THEIR RAMADAN OPEN HOUSE, UH, THIS MONTH. AND I HAVE A, A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT. UM, IS THERE NOT, WERE WE NOT GETTING ALL OF THE EMAILS RELATED TO THOSE EVENTS? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT, UH, THE ONLY ONE THAT I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND LAST MONTH, I ONLY HEARD FROM IT FROM ANOTHER FRIEND IN THE COMMUNITY. I'M NOT RECEIVING ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ANY OF THOSE EVENTS SO THAT I CAN ATTEND. OKAY. SO ARE YOU SIGNED UP FOR, WE, WE MADE THE, UM, WE SIGNED ALL THE COMMISSIONERS UP FOR THE NEWSLETTERS. AND SO IF YOU'RE RECEIVING THE NEWSLETTERS, ALL OF OUR EVENTS ARE NOTED ON THAT NEWSLETTER LETTER. SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP TO SEE IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT POSSIBLY WE CAN HAVE THOSE EVENTS ADDED TO OUR CALENDAR INSIDE OF OUR MAILBOX? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER FOR THE COMMISSIONER SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT POP UP. AND ON YOUR, ON YOUR, THERE'S A CALENDAR INSIDE THE CALENDAR IN YOUR, ON YOUR INBOX. OKAY. WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT TRYING TO NAVIGATE THAT . PERFECT. THANK YOU. UH, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT WORKING GROUP MEETINGS, UH, THE DATES FOR THE UPCOMING MEETINGS WERE ANNOUNCED TO THE COMMUNITY COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN SIGNED UP FOR THE A PD NEWSLETTER, UH, APOS NEWSLETTER TO RECEIVE THE LATEST UPDATES ON EVENTS AND ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. UH, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT WORKING AS WELL. AND SO WE WILL, UM, TRY, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN ENSURE THAT YOU ARE GETTING THOSE, UH, NOTICES ON THE EVENTS THAT WE ARE ARE HAVING, UH, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS. THE FIRST PHASE OF THE COMMUNITY EDUCATION PROJECT HAS CONCLUDED AND THE PROJECT LEAD IS MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, EXECUTIVE REVIEW AND CONTENT GENERATION. AS WE DO THAT, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE KNOW YOUR RIGHT KNOW YOUR RIGHTS PROJECT. WE HAD NO NEWS COVERAGE FOR, UM, MARCH. UM, THAT WAS ONE INTERVIEW THAT IS PENDING, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER FRANCO. BUT OTHERWISE THERE WERE NO OTHER, UM, NEWS COVERAGE TO DATE. AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT A PO SERVES ON THE A PD POLICY REVIEW COMMITTEE. AS A NON-VOTING MEMBER, STAFF MEMBER. STAFF ATTENDED A COMMITTEE MEETING TO DISCUSS SEVERAL POLICIES, UH, UNDER REVISION. THE COMMITTEE IS STILL IN REVIEW PHASE OF, OF THAT DISCUSSION. SO AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR POLICY PERSON THAT SITS ON THAT REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH A PD. AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT THOSE POLICY AS POLICIES AS THEY ARE MAKING THOSE REVISIONS. [00:25:02] CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 0 0 1 3 4, WHICH IS A COMPLAINT INVOLVING THE OFFICERS WHO CONTACTED ICE WHILE DETAINING A MOTHER AND CHILD HAS BEEN ADJUDICATED BY A PD, BOTH A PO AND A PD DETERMINED THE COMPLAINT SHOULD BE SUSTAINED FOR IMPROPER POLICE PROCEDURES AND TRAINING WAS RECOMMENDED FOR THE OFFICER A PO COMPLAINT DIVISION. STAFF PARTICIPATED IN THE QUARTERLY POLICE OVERSIGHT WORKSHOP ON MARCH 5TH. UH, COMPLAINT DIVISION STAFF WILL BEGIN ATTENDING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENT. SO THIS HAD NOT BEEN THE CASE IN THE PAST, BUT WE WILL HAVE THE COMPLAINTS TEAM. THEY WERE AT THE LAST EVENT. COMMISSIONER GRIEFS WAS THERE, THE ENTIRE TEAM WAS THERE. UH, WE WILL HAVE THEM ATTENDING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS OR THE COMPLAINT PROCESS TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN REAL TIME. SO THEY'LL START TO ATTEND SOME OF THOSE EVENTS. AND I CAN PROVIDE FOR YOU JUST A REMINDER OF SOME OF THE UPCOMING ITEMS AND PRIORITIES, UM, FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. YOU NOTED, UH, IN OUR LAST MEETING, UH, COMMISSIONER GREVE SPONSORED THEIR CPRC YEAR ONE SUMMARY OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CHALLENGES, UH, REVIEW AND EDITS OF THE CPRC INTERNAL OPERATIONS PROCEDURE. DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO ACCESS TO THE CASE FILES UNDER CITY CODE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AN ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD FOR THE COMMISSION BYLAW DISCUSSION AND AMENDMENTS. PRESENT A DRAFT RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR REVIEW BY THE FULL COMMISSION AND THE DISCUSSION OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION'S. RECENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL REGARDING THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT OR AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT. NOW COMPLIANCE WITH THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT ACT, CONSIDERING CONSIDERATION OF HANDLING CONFIDENTIAL VERSUS PUBLIC INFORMATION, ENSURING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MAINTAIN PROPER SAFEGUARDS WHEN INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC. AND REVIEW OF THE A PD POLICY OF OFFICER INVOLVED CASES. THOSE WERE ALL SPONSORED BY COMMISSIONER GREAVES. UH, COMMISSIONER EUGENE SPONSORED EDUCATION ON A PD DISCIPLINE MATRIX AND POLICY RULES AND PROCEDURES ON CASE REVIEW, CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, RULES AND GUIDELINES AND A PD POLICY ON OI OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING CASES. UH, COMMISSIONER FLOOD SPONSORS A RECOMMENDATION FOR A PD TO DEVELOP A DASHBOARD ON ICE INTERACTIONS, INCORPORATION OF CPRC ACTIVITIES WITH A PO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND LASTLY, UM, I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LAST ONE THAT WE HAVE HERE. SO END OF REPORT ITEMS TWO AND THREE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ITEM TWO, PLEASE. I'M REGARDING ITEM TWO. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A LOT OF GREAT WORK. UM, AND I'LL ASK YOU, COMMISSIONER GRIEVES, CAN WE SINK INTO WHAT THEY'RE DOING? BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, AND WE HAVE A BUDGET, SO I KNOW YOU'RE PRESENT. BUT IF WE HAVE THE COMMUNICATION, LIKE SHE WAS SAYING, AND I DID SIGN UP FOR ONE, BUT THEN I FORGOT THAT IT EVEN OCCURRED UNTIL THE DAY AFTER AND I WAS LIKE, OH, WELL I'LL TRY AGAIN. SO IF WE HAD THAT AND WE COULD BE IN SYNC WITH THEM. UM, AND WE ALSO, SO WE CAN GIVE A PERSPECTIVE TOO AND PARTICIPATE. 'CAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE LIKE EIGHT ITEMS PER MONTH ANYWAY, IF WE COULD SHOW UP AND BE PRESENT TOO AND HAVE REPRESENTATION, AND IF WE COULD HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION WHERE AT LEAST ONE OF US SHOWS UP TOO, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN MY QUESTION WAS, UM, REGARDING OUR LAWYER SITUATION, AS FAR AS, UM, DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE? 'CAUSE YOU SAID HE IS DOING A LOT OF WORK FOR OTHER AGENCIES WITHIN THE CITY AND EVERYTHING. DO WE HAVE, HAVE WE IDENTIFIED A BACKUP THAT CAN BE PRESENT WHEN WE NEED TO CALL UPON HIM? OR DO WE STILL HAVE TO JUST MAKE A REQUEST AND WAIT? UM, NEIL IS STILL REPRESENTING THE, UH, COMMISSION AT THIS TIME. OF COURSE. UH, IF THERE IS A NEED FOR HIM TO BE HERE, UH, WE WOULD MAKE HIM AWARE OF THAT AND, AND HE WOULD BE HERE. UH, REGARDING YOUR FIRST QUESTION, WE DID INVITE OUR, UH, PUBLIC INFORMATION AND MARKETING MANAGER TO JOIN THIS MEETING TO SPEAK TO YOUR ABILITY TO, UH, ENGAGE WITH THEM ON SOME OF THEIR EVENTS. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER GREECE WAS GONNA SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, WE HAVE THAT IN ITEM FOUR. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN, UM, MY LAST QUESTION, YOU GUYS HAVE THESE EVENTS, UM, AT THE INTIMATE SETTINGS, BUT IS THERE A WAY, JUST LIKE WE'RE BROADCASTING THIS EVENT TO BROADCAST THEM OUT BECAUSE EVERYBODY CAN'T ATTEND, BUT THEY CAN ENGAGE VIRTUALLY? I THINK WHEN ONE THING WE NEED [00:30:01] TO CONSIDER IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR PARTICIPATION AT EVENTS. THESE AREN'T OUR SPONSORED EVENTS. WE GO TO A LOT OF EVENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY SPONSORED AND PUT ON BY OTHER PEOPLE. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TABLING OPPORTUNITIES, BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IT'S JUST US SHOWING UP, NETWORKING AND INTERACTING ABOUT WHAT WE DO. SO. UNDERSTOOD. WE DON'T CONTROL THE LOGISTICS. WILL YOU GUYS, EXCUSE ME. WILL WE JUST POSTPONE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A SPECIFIC ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT IN DETAILS. SO WE WE'LL GET A CHANCE TO, IS THAT WHEN SHE'S GONNA BRIEF IT? WE WILL. OKAY. SO I'LL JUST THINKING AHEAD. OKAY, GREAT. THEN I'LL, I'LL HOLD ALL QUESTIONS UNTIL THEN. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ITEMS RUN ON. SO WE JUST ARE JUST FINISHING ITEM TWO AND NUMBER THREE. AND JUST ABOUT TO START, HOLD ON. UM, ITEM TWO, CITY MANAGER. UM, YOU SAID, UM, YOU TALKED TO THEM ABOUT BUDGETING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, WHEN YOU GUYS DECIDE ON THAT BUDGET, WILL WE BE PRESENT OR DO WE JUST GIVE YOU OUR INPUT ON WHAT WE NEED? 'CAUSE UM, SO WE CAN SEE HOW WE FIT INTO THE, THE GREATER ECOSYSTEM? YEAH, DEFINITELY. IF, IF WE SEE THAT THE BUDGET THAT CPRC AND A PO IS GONNA BE IMPACTED IN ANY WAY, WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED AND UPDATED ON, I THINK THE CITY'S RUNNING THE DEFICIT RIGHT NOW, SO I WANT TO, UH, MAKE SURE. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE, TWO, AND THREE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION NOW, AN EARLY STATEMENT REGARDING THE CLASSIFICATION C AND D THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, I, NOW WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS THOSE NEW CASES AS I, THEY'RE GONNA STAY IN-HOUSE JUST, UH, THROUGH THEIR PROCEDURE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT A PO WILL NO LONGER RECEIVE THE NEWLY UPDATED CDI CASES? WE'LL, STILL THE NOTIFICATION AND THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR US AND A PD WILL NOT CHANGE. SO IT WON'T IMPACT THE COMMUNICATION PROCESS. WOULD THEN THOSE CASES STILL BE RELAYED OVER TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THOSE YES. OKAY. SO WHAT REALLY CHANGED? I'M SORRY. SO WHAT CAN I UNDERSTAND? WHAT REALLY CHANGED BESIDES THAT? WHAT REALLY CHANGED IS, UH, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAVE A LOT OF CASES THAT ARE SITTING BECAUSE THEY'RE WAITING ON A COMMANDER, TRY TO GIVE THEM FEEDBACK WITH RESPECT TO THE CASE. AND INSTEAD OF THE CASE SITTING ON THEIR DESK, IF THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S NO POLICY VIOLATION WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE THEM TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND MORE QUICKLY TO DO THAT PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO OCCUR. SO IF THEY REACH THE SAME CONCLUSION, THEY CAN CLOSE 'EM A LITTLE QUICKER. OKAY. BUT THE REST OF THE PROCESS IS THE SAME AND WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GIVE INPUT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. SO, UH, WE'RE [4. Discussion of how the Community Police Review Commission could participate in public outreach events conducted by Austin Police Oversight (APO). ] GONNA MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION, UH, ITEMS. UH, NUMBER FOUR WAS A TOPIC THAT COMMISSIONER FLOOD BROUGHT OUT LAST, UH, MEETING. AND I DECIDED SECOND IT, AND IT'S PLACED IN AGENDA SPECIFICALLY TO DISCUSS IN DETAIL DISCUSSIONS ON HOW THE COMMUNITY, UH, POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION COULD PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC OUTREACH'S EVENTS CONDUCTED BY AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT. AND SO, UH, SINCE WAS YOUR, YOUR BABY, WOULD YOU MIND LEADING THIS DISCUSSION? YEAH, I THINK I ALREADY GAVE, UM, A PREFACE A FEW SECONDS AGO. SO YEAH, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN BETTER COLLABORATE AND INTERACT AND BE MORE PARTICIPATORY IN THE COMMUNITY AND SYNCHRONIZE OUR ACTIVITIES WITH THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY, UM, BEING UNDERTAKEN. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS SARAH PERALTA. I'M THE PUBLIC INFORMATION AND MARKETING PROGRAM MANAGER FOR AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT. I AM REALLY EXCITED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING WITH THIS OFFICE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. WELL, CITY, SEVEN YEARS, FIVE YEARS IN THIS PARTICULAR ROLE. SO, UM, I'LL TELL YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS CONTEXT SO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WE GET INTO ALL THESE EVENTS DURING OUR ACTIVITIES MONTH. SO IT'LL, I THINK IT'LL MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE OF WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, UH, UH, BETWEEN THE EVENTS THAT WE HOST, AS KEVIN EXPLAINED, AND THE EVENTS THAT WE ATTEND OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY IS INFORMED BY THREE PILLARS. THE FIRST PILLAR IS, UM, INFORMED BY THE, THE DIFFERENT DIRECTION WE GET, UH, LEGISLATION OR, UM, DIFFERENT KIND OF RESOLUTIONS OR COUNCIL DIRECTION. WE GET, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT INFORMS OUR, OUR, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT RESOLUTION 99 INFORMS OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. ANY OTHER KIND OF FORMAL DOCUMENTATION OR LEGISLATION THAT, THAT IS A DIRECTIVE TO US INFORMS OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SO THAT'S OUR FIRST PILLAR. OUR SECOND PILLAR IS CITY LEADERSHIP. SO OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, CITY COUNCIL, ANYTHING THAT THEY SAY, HEY, THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR YOU GUYS TO WORK ON. THAT IS, UH, THE SECOND PILLAR THAT INFORMS OUR WORK. AND THE THIRD PILLAR IS WHAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ASK US TO DO. UH, WE ARE ON THE COMMUNITY TALKING TO FOLKS FORMALLY AND INFORMALLY, WHETHER IT IS THROUGH FOCUS GROUPS, SURVEYS IN A FORMAL SETTING OR LESS FORMALLY. WE ARE JUST TALKING TO FOLKS AND CONNECTING WITH THEM OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. [00:35:01] WE LISTEN TO FOLKS AND THEY TELL US EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT US DO. WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY BLESSED HERE IN AUSTIN. WE HAVE A VERY VOCAL AND VERY, UM, UM, A COMMUNITY THAT IS OUTSPOKEN. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. AND SO WE USE THOSE THREE PILLARS TO CREATE REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR STRATEGY. SO YOU, BASED ON THOSE THREE INPUTS, WE DESIGNED, HEY, WE'RE HEARING FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE. WE NEED TO GO REACH OUT TO THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE WITH ENGAGING WITH POLICE. HEY, WE ARE EVEN COUNSEL THAT THIS IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR THEM. WE NEED TO GO AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND HOW WE'RE A PART OF THIS. SO WHEN WE DESIGN OUR STRATEGY, WE'RE, WE'RE USING A, A, A CERTAIN RUBRIC, IF YOU WILL, SO WHERE IT'S RELEVANT TO Y'ALL. WHEN YOU SEE US, UH, ATTENDING EVENTS OR ENGAGING WITH CERTAIN GROUPS, WE'RE OPERATING OFF OF THAT RUBRIC. UM, WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON, IF YOU GUYS ARE UP FOR IT, IT'S, IT'S A FUN PROCESS FOR ME. IT'S A CREATIVE PROCESS IS HELPING Y'ALL DEFINE WHAT YOUR RUBRIC IS. YOUR RUBRIC MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN MINE. UM, Y'ALL DON'T REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER OR COUNCIL IN THE SAME WAY WE DO, BUT Y'ALL ARE INFORMED BY THE AWESOME POLICE OVERSIGHT ACT, YET THAT'S WHERE YOUR AUTHORITY AND SCOPE IS DEFINED. UM, AND YOU DO HAVE MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS COME TO THESE MEETINGS, TAKING TIME OUTTA THEIR BUSY DAYS TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION, TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT, TELL YOU WHAT'S BOTHERING THEM. THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU GUIDE AND DECIDE, HEY, YOU KNOW, APOS PRIORITIES ARE THESE GROUPS, BUT MY PRIORITIES AS THE LEADERS OF THIS, UH, COMMISSION ARE THESE GROUPS. AND I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT, THAT, THAT PROCESS. UM, THAT IS SOMETHING I DO, UH, IN THIS ROLE. I WORK WITH OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM TO DO THAT. UM, IT IS A, IT IS A FUN PROCESS WHERE YOU GET TO LIVE, UH, UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT OUR AUTHORITY AND SCOPE IS, AND BRING THOSE TOGETHER TO CREATE A VISION FOR WHAT Y'ALL WANNA SEE, THIS COMMISSION AND THE IMPACT IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO THERE'S SO MUCH POTENTIAL AND FUN STUFF THERE. UM, SO WHEN YOU SEE, WHEN YOU HEAR US SAYING, HEY, WE'RE AT THE, UH, RAMADAN EVENT WITH THE NORTH AUSTIN MUSLIM COMMUNITY CENTER, HEY, WE'RE AT THERE. THAT'S IN RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS INVITING US OR US WORKING OFF OUR RUBRIC. YOURS MIGHT LOOK SIMILAR, BUT IT MIGHT LOOK DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S WHERE I WANNA, UH, WORK WITH Y'ALL, COLLABORATE WITH Y'ALL IN FINDING OUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES YOUR STRATEGY LOOK LIKE AND HOW CAN WE CAN SUPPORT YOU IN EXECUTING THAT STRATEGY. DOES THAT MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE OF HOW, OR WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE WHAT OR HOW, HOW OUR ACTIVITY LOOKS LIKE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY? I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD POSSIBLY, I GUESS, CONNECT WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THAT WE CAN GET MEETINGS GOING ON EACH OF THOSE PROPERTIES EVERY MONTH. I KNOW RIGHT NOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INCREASED CRIME GOING UP IN THE AREA, AND UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THOSE TYPE OF COMMUNITIES ARE AFRAID TO REACH OUT AND ASK FOR ASSISTANCE. SO I'D LIKE TO GET THEM CONNECTED TO, UH, OUR PROGRAMS. SURE, NO PROBLEM. HI, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT KIND OF OUTREACH YOU'VE DONE FOR THE L-L-G-B-T-Q COMMUNITY? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UH, OH, WE ARE ENGAGED PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THE, UM, JOINT INCLUSION COMMISSION. SO THAT IS THE KIND OF, UH, UM, THE COMMISSION OF COMMISSIONS, THE ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL, IF YOU WILL. UM, THOUGH THEY ARE COMMISSIONS, UH, INCLUDES THE AFRICAN AMERICAN RESOURCE COMMISSION, THE LATIN, UH, THE HISPANIC AND LATIN AMERICAN, UH, SORRY, LATINO QUALITY LOVE COMMISSION AND THE L-G-B-T-Q-I COMMISSION. SO, UM, WE DO ENGAGE WITH THEM PRETTY REGULARLY. ACTUALLY, ONE OF THEIR COMMISSION ATTENDS OUR EVENTS PRETTY REGULARLY. I I WON'T SHOUT OUT HIS NAME, BUT THANK YOU. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. SO, UM, YEAH, WE DO ENGAGE WITH THEM PRETTY CLOSELY. UM, WE ATTEND PRIDE EVERY YEAR. IT'S PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST EVENT EVERY YEAR. ALL OF OUR STAFF ATTEND. I WOULD SAY, WELL, WELL OVER OUR STAFF ATTEND, UM, MANY, MANY DAYS WE'RE OUT THERE IN THE HEAT ENGAGING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, UM, ENGAGING WITH, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY WE DO A LOT. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE OPPORTUNITIES. SO IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, WELCOME AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SARAH. OF COURSE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE PROCESS OF US GETTING TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH AN EVENT LOOK LIKE? YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S, WE, WE HAVE QUORUM HERE AND YOU'RE ALREADY HEARING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, DIFFERENT IDEAS. HOW IS THE PROCESS GONNA WORK FOR YOU? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LOOK OVER AT MY MANAGEMENT CHAIN AND MAKE SURE I'M NOT BRINGING ANY RULES ABOUT QUORUM, BUT, UM, TYPICALLY THE WAY I WORK WITH, UM, A GROUP LIKE YOURS IS I WOULD WANT TO SIT DOWN WITH Y'ALL. YOU KNOW, WE DO. IT CAN LOOK AS, AS, AS FUN AND ENGAGING AS LIKE A STICKING UP SESSION WHERE WE'RE PUTTING ALL OUR IDEAS DOWN AND FINDING THEMES AND WORKING THROUGH AND MAKING A PLAN. OR IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL IF YOU'D LIKE. AND WE CAN SET UP A WORKING SESSION OR A MEETING, UH, WHATEVER Y'ALL PREFER. IT'S A VERY FLEXIBLE PROCESS. IT'S A CREATIVE PROCESS. BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, THE BIGGEST PLACE TO START IS ASKING Y'ALL WHAT YOUR VISION ARE. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MORE IN COMMON [00:40:01] BETWEEN EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL WANNA SEE THIS COMMITTEE, THE COMMISSION DO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY THAN NOT, AND HELP HELPING ME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I, THE, THE, THE EXAMPLE I WAS THINKING OF AS I WAS COMING TO THIS MEETING TODAY WAS LIKE, UM, UH, IF YOU WANNA THINK OF ME AS YOUR TRAVEL AGENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PLANNING A FAMILY VACATION. IS THIS A FAMILY VACATION? WE'RE DRIVING DOWN TO SAN ANTONIO FOR THE DAY, SEE THE ALAMO, ARE WE GOING TO DISNEY WORLD? AND THIS IS GONNA BE A WORLD TRIP OVER TWO WEEKS. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, AND THAT'S WHERE I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL'S VISION IS AND WHERE, HOW Y'ALL CAN HELP ME IS DEFINING THAT. MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, MAYBE IT'S NOT A ROAD TRIP, MAYBE IT'S A WEEKEND, UH, TRIP OVER TO DALLAS. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. AND IN MY ROLE, I CAN FACILITATE THAT AND HELP YOU MAKE AN ACTION PLAN TO MAKE THAT VISION REAL. SO THAT'S THE FUN STUFF FOR ME. I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH Y'ALL ON THAT. UM, IT IS, UH, A LONGER PROCESS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SIT DOWN AND DO PENCIL PAD 30 MINUTES. HOWEVER, IN THE INTERIM, WE CAN GET YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. UH, GETTING Y'ALL IN TOUCH WITH ANY OF THE OTHER GROUPS THAT YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN TALKING TO, OR YOU MAYBE HAD JUST SAID THE LARC, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME. I CAN BE HAPPY TO CONNECT YOU WITH ALL THOSE GROUPS. SO YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS IN, IN THE SHORT AND LONG TERM. GREAT. AND AS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, WHAT WOULD BE A GENERAL TIMELINE OF, SAY WE MAGICALLY AGREED TODAY ON AN EVENT AND WE WORKED AT THE DETAILS, WE WENT INVOLVED. HOW, HOW WAS THAT? CAN YOU GIVE US A GENERAL TIMELINE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, US INTRODUCING SOMETHING, MAYBE VOTING ON AN EVENT AND THEN THE ACTUAL EVENT HAPPENING? SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY WE WANTED TO THROW, UH, SOMETHING TOGETHER. UH, WE HAD A PRETTY CONCRETE PLAN. I WOULD SAY A SIX TO EIGHT WEEK TIMELINE IS PRETTY REASONABLE AT THE CITY. UM, PART OF WHY IT'S NOT JUST, UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUTTING IT ON NEXT WEEK, HEY, EVERYBODY SHOW UP AND BE THERE IS REALLY RELATED TO THE EQUITY, UH, RUBRIC THAT WE'RE USING FOR, FOR ENGAGEMENT. WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT EVERY EVENT THAT A PO HOSTS HAS INTERPRETERS IN ENGLISH AND A SL, WE MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, GUIDELINES FROM THE CITY'S, UH, PIO TEAM ON HOW WE MAKE SURE WE'RE ENGAGING WITH COMMUNITIES EQUALLY AND FAIRLY. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE REACH AS MANY FOLKS AS POSSIBLE. UM, AS , AS COMMISSIONER FLOOD PULLED OUT, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE A CHEAP DATE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S DEFICIT. SO WE DON'T DO A LOT OF ADVERTISING. WE USE A LOT OF MEDIA. SO WE RELY ON OUR MEDIA PARTNERS OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY TO RAISE AWARENESS AND HELP US GET THE WORD OUT. SO THAT DOES TAKE TIME. SO, UM, THE PLANNING, THE PROMOTION, THE COORDINATING, MAKING SURE WE HAVE A FACILITY, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MAKING, WE, IT IS ALWAYS GREAT IF WE CAN FIND A FACILITY THAT CAN RECORD SOMETHING. IT, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN CASES DOESN'T, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR EVERY EVENT. BUT IN THOSE CASES, YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT AT A SIX TO EIGHT WEEK TIMELINE MOST OF THE TIME. UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY GENERAL RULE OF THUMB. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I GUESS JUST FOR OUR LIAISONS, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, WOULD THIS DISCUSSION BE A CLOSED DOOR SESSION WITH, WITH EVERYBODY? IS THIS UP TO US TO FIGURE OUT HOW AND WHICH OF US ARE GONNA MEET INDIVIDUALLY, UH, WITH SARAH? OR, OR IS THERE A PROCESS TO GET THAT DONE? YEAH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY DETERMINE HOW WE MEET. OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A QUORUM, UH, AT THOSE MEETINGS. BUT MAYBE IT LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE YOUR WORKING GROUPS LOOK, UM, SO THAT YOU, IF YOU HAVE SIMILAR IDEAS, THEN MAYBE THAT'S A WORKING GROUP FOR THAT PARTICULAR EVENT. AND THEN WE CAN CONNECT YOU TO HAVE A MEETING WITH SARAH RELATED TO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DISCUSS IN GAR REGARDS TO ENGAGEMENT. YEAH, THAT, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A REALLY, UM, PASSIONATE GROUP OF FOLKS AND I'M SURE Y'ALL ALL HAVE LOTS OF IDEAS. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR THEM. I KNOW I HAVE SOME IDEAS FOR YOU GUYS AS WELL. SO YEAH, BE REALLY, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SETTING ASIDE SOME TIME AND WORKING WITH Y'ALL ON CREATING A COMMUNIC ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY. GREAT. UM, AS PART OF THAT STRATEGY, COULD WE MAKE, UM, SOME MEETINGS VIRTUAL SO WE CAN INVITE COMMUNITY MEMBERS INTO VIRTUAL SPACES AS OPPOSED TO, 'CAUSE THAT THINK THAT'S, IT'S LIKE 3 99 TO HAVE A VIRTUAL AS OPPOSED TO COORDINATING ALL THE LOGISTICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND IF WE THINK THAT, UM, A PO HAS A BUNCH OF GREAT THINGS GOING ON ALREADY, UM, WE COULD ALMOST MERGE OUR BUDGETS INTO IT AND MAKE IT EVEN MORE ROBUST OR EVEN SAVE MONEY ON BOTH ENDS. UM, AND JUST THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE LENS THAT YOU LOOK THROUGH EQUITY LENS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE THREE PILLARS, RIGHT? SO WHERE'S THE PRIORITIZATION? BECAUSE IF EVERYTHING'S A PRIORITY, THEN NOTHING'S A PRIORITY. SO YOU STILL, THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH, . SO WHO, WHO PRIORITIES SUPERSEDE, WHOSE PRIORITIES. THAT'S WHERE I WORK WITH MY LEADERSHIP TEAM. YOU KNOW, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN CITY LEADERSHIP, BUT OUR, OUR BIGGEST OBLIGATION IS, [00:45:01] UH, IMPLEMENTING THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT ACT. THAT IS LAW, THAT IS ORDINANCE SETS IN THE CITY CHARTER. AND SO JUST LIKE YOU GUYS, THAT IT DEFINES YOUR SCOPE, YOUR BANDWIDTH, YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES, IT DEFINES OUR SCOPE, BANDWIDTH, AND RESPONSIBILITY. SO THE, FOR, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE RESOLUTION 99 MEETING THAT YOU AT, UH, COMMISSIONER AGREES ATTENDED, UM, IS, UH, A MEETING THAT WE'RE MANDATED TO RUN. NOW, THE MAN, THE MANDATES FOR IT, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MEETING ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO. UM, I WOULD CALL IT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. WE WANNA MAKE SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS LIKE TO ATTEND THAT'S FUN AND ENGAGING AND INTERESTING. AND SO WE LISTENED TO THEIR FEEDBACK ON THOSE SESSIONS. 'CAUSE THEY WERE LIKE, SARAH, YOU'RE KILLING ME HERE. LIKE, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ELSE HERE. SO THAT'S WHERE, UM, WHEN I SPOKE TO THEM, WE STARTED INNOVATING THAT MEETING. AND SO WE STARTED ADDING COMPONENTS, TESTING THINGS, TRYING NEW STUFF. IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT MEETING COMING UP. AND IT'S IMPROVED AND IT'S CHANGED A LOT. SO IN THAT SENSE, THE MEETING HAS EVOLVED BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. UM, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE TOWN HALL FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. WE LAUNCHED THAT DURING COVID. IT WAS QUITE, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS TOUGH DOING THAT MEETING DURING COVID. I, UM, WHEN WE WERE ALL REMOTE, BUT WE HEARD FROM A COMMISSION, THE MAYOR'S COMMITTEE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, WE WERE PRESENTING DATA RELATED TO OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS AT THAT MEETING. THEY, UM, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING BEYOND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DISABILITY? WHAT ELSE ARE Y'ALL WORKING ON? AND THE ANSWER WAS, THERE'S A LOT WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON. SO WE MET OVER THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS. WE HOSTED TWO MEETINGS, ONE ENTIRELY VIRTUAL, ONE ENTIRELY ON IN PERSON. ACTUALLY THAT WAS A HYBRID ONE, SORRY. UM, AND, UH, WE WROTE A REPORT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO A PD ON HOW THEY CAN BUILD BRIDGES WITH PEOPLE, UM, WHO LIVE WITH A DISABILITY OR HAVE FAMILY MEMBER WITH DISABILITY TO IMPROVE POLICING, MAKE IT SAFER FOR THEM. SO WE TAKE ORDERS FROM COMMUNITIES SOMETIMES, BUT WE, WE WORK UNDER, UM, THE, OUR LEADERSHIP TO KIND OF WEIGH AND NAVIGATE THOSE THINGS. 'CAUSE SOMETIMES WE ARE A DILEMMA, BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR LEADERSHIP IS FOR AS TO HELP US TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, HOW DO WE CONTACT YOU SO THAT WE CAN, I KNOW, UM, THE RECANT IS GONNA HELP US, BUT YEAH, WE, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DIALOGUE BECAUSE THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE. AND THEN WHAT ARE YOUR METRICS? HOW DO YOU TRACK THAT? OKAY, WE DID THIS, X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SHOWED UP, THIS IS THE FEEDBACK WE GOT, THIS IS OUR GAP ANALYSIS, THIS IS WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, BOTH RETROSPECTIVELY BUT ALSO PROSPECTIVELY? SO THAT I HEARD, BASICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT SO THAT WE CAN REACH AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE US ALL A BETTER COMMUNITY. YES. YEAH, YOU'RE TALK CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT. IT SINGS TO MY SOUL. SO I LOVE THAT. UM, SO AFTER EVERY PROJECT, EVERY MEETING WE DO A SWAT. SO WE DEBRIEF WITH OUR TEAM MEMBERS. WE GET FEEDBACK FROM ANYONE WHO IS ATTENDING FROM THE MOST JUNIOR TEAM MEMBER TO OUR LEADERSHIP AND SAY LIKE, HEY, WHAT WENT WELL? WHAT DIDN'T GO SO WELL? WHAT DO WE DO NEXT TIME? WE DOCUMENT THAT. AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN EVERY PROJECT PLAN, EVERY PROJECT, EVERY EVENT HAS A PROJECT PLAN, HAS A GREATER BRIEF THAT WE BUILD OFF OF THE LAST ONE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT, HEY, WE GOT FEEDBACK, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, UH, UH, THIS THERE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT GOING FORWARD. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR EVERY TYPE OF COMPLAINT. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DOCUMENTATION. WE NEED TO MAKE THIS MATERIAL IN ADVANCE. AND SO WE WORK THROUGH OUR CHAIN OF COMMAND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING, ALWAYS BE MAKING THESE MEETINGS EVOLVE EVERY TIME. OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF OUR METRICS, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT GAIL AND KEVIN WERE JUST WORKING WITH, UH, CITY LEADERSHIP ON. SO THOSE ARE CHANGING A LITTLE BIT IN 27, I DO BELIEVE. BUT WE DO MEASURE THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT WE, UM, UM, WHO ATTEND OR PARTICIPATE. THE WORD I USE IS PARTICIPATE, WHETHER IT IS US HOSTING A MEETING, ATTENDING A MEETING, OR JUST SITTING DOWN AND MEETING WITH A STAKEHOLDER. UM, THAT'S ABOUT 50. I THINK LAST YEAR OUR, OUR GOAL WAS 50 AND WE WERE IN LIKE 52 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK OUR GOAL FOR THIS YEAR IS 60. AND AND THEN IN 27 IT'LL CHANGE TO, UM, THEY'RE WORK, THEY'RE WORKING ON THOSE GOALS RIGHT NOW. THOSE ARE IN PROGRESS. I DON'T WANNA SCOOP THEM, UM, ON THAT. BUT WE DO, UM, KEEP TRACK OF, AND, AND SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE, THE NUMBER OF EVENTS WE HOST EVERY YEAR, WE ALSO TRACK WEB METRICS AND, AND SOCIAL MEDIA. THE, THE KIND THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN MARKETING, RIGHT? BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, OKAY, SO YOU DO THE EVENTS, BUT ARE YOU MEASURING THE IMPACT OF THESE EVENTS? SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE CAN ALMOST DRAW A CORRELATION BECAUSE WE DID MORE TRAINING OR WE DID MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS, DID THAT HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF X, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO JUST WE'RE HOLDING MEETINGS TO SAY THAT WE MET A QUOTA. THAT'S GOOD. BUT ARE MEETINGS IMPACTFUL? SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING THE RIGHT THINGS AND DOING THINGS RIGHT. YEAH. ARE ARE, DO WE LOOK AT THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT? AND ALSO, LIKE SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE HERE, DO WE TAKE INPUT FROM THEM AND INVITE THOSE DIFFERENT [00:50:01] AGENCIES THAT THEY REPRESENT TO COME TO THOSE MEETINGS? YES. YES, WE DO. UM, THE, THE YES TO THE LATTER TO THE, UM, FORMER QUESTION BASICALLY LIKE HOW DO WE CORRELATE THE MICRO TO THE MACRO? YES. I WILL SAY IN GOVERNMENT SERVICES AND JOURNAL, THAT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO DO. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SAY, I DID 82 EVENTS THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S THIS, THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD SAY IT'S A LITTLE BIT MUCH FOR ME TO CONNECT SO SIMPLY. BUT I DO KNOW THAT EVERY PIECE OF FEEDBACK THAT IS PROVIDED TO OUR OFFICE IS READ BY A PERSON IS USUALLY ME OR ONE OF MY TEAM MEMBERS. UM, AND WE TAKE THAT FEEDBACK SERIOUSLY. WE DOCUMENT IT AND IT BECOMES A PART OF OUR WORK. AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY OF, AND YOU GUYS MAY NOT KNOW THIS AT EVERY, UM, COMMUNITY MEETING, WE DO AN AFTER ACTION REPORT WHERE WE DOCUMENT ANY FEEDBACK WE RECEIVE AND WE PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO THAT IN WRITING. AGAIN, PART OF THAT IS HOW DO WE MOVE THE NEEDLE FORWARD AND HOW DO WE SHOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WE'RE TAKING THEIR FEEDBACK SERIOUSLY, PUTTING IT IN WRITING AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS AN INTENTION TO IT. SOME OF THESE THINGS, NICE FEEDBACK IS STUFF THAT WE CAN'T DO, YOU KNOW, UM, WHETHER IT'S OUTTA SCOPE FOR OUR ROLE OR AS SORT OF AUTHORITY. AND WE'LL LET PEOPLE KNOW LIKE, HEY, WE HEARD THAT THIS IS A CONCERN. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, WE, WE HAVE A DOCUMENTED THAT WE, THAT IT'S HERE IN WRITING. UM, AND THEN THERE'S STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON. A, A LOT OF IT'S USUALLY OUR DATA STUFF, COMPLAINTS. 'CAUSE DATA'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE FOR OUR, OUR, UH, MID CITY DEPARTMENTS. AND THEN, UM, SOME THINGS WE CAN START DOING RIGHT AWAY AND WE'VE, WE BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER ON THAT. I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH MORE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE DATA IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S JUST NUMBERS. BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, EVERYTHING'S NOT QUAL OR QUANT. IT'S LIKE EMOTIONS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . HOW PEOPLE FEEL, HOW PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING THESE SERVICES, HOW THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THESE SERVICES. AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GAUGE THAT TOO BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE AWARE OF A POLICY OR IT JUST BECAUSE THIS POLICY SHIFTED OR CHANGES THINGS AND WE THINK MAGICALLY THAT, OH, NEW POLICY, IT'S GONNA WORK AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOVE IT. THAT'S NOT LIKE THE REAL FEEL, RIGHT? LIKE, SO TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE THAT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND CREATE THAT FEEDBACK LOOP, UM, I, I'M HEARING A LOT OF GREAT THINGS FROM YOU. SO YEAH. CARLOS, I WANNA WORK WITH HER IMMEDIATELY. , TURN OFF THE CAMERA. LET'S GO. . I HAD A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. I DON'T, BUT I'LL, I'LL EMAIL YOU GUYS. MY RYAN WILL MAKE SURE YOU GUYS CAN CONTACTED, MAKE SURE TO START AN EVENT. DO WE NEED TO HAVE A, A VOTE ON AND THEN PROCEED WITH THE LOGISTICS? OR HOW WOULD THAT WORK FOR US? I, WELL, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU HOW YOU WANT THAT, HOW YOU WANT IT TO LOOK. YOU KNOW, UM, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE THAT THIS IS AN EVENT THAT WE YOU WANNA DO AND THEN WE CAN HELP YOU COORDINATE THAT THROUGH, THROUGH SARAH. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU HOW YOU WANT THAT, HOW YOU WANT THAT EVENT TO LOOK. I, I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, WOULD WE NEED TO HAVE A QUORUM DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM TO VOTE TO DO THIS EVENT? OR CAN TWO THREE COMMISSIONS GET TOGETHER, CREATE AN EVENT AND THEN THEREFORE SPEAK FOR THE FULL COMMISSION? YOU CAN GET TOGETHER AND CREATE AN EVENT. YEAH. IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT YOU HAVE A QUORUM HERE THAT IT BE AN AGENDA ITEM. PART OF YOUR, UH, AUTHORITY IN THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT ACT IS YOUR ABILITY TO HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THAT'S PART OF THE AUTHORITY YOU HAVE. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, OF COURSE THERE ARE CONCERNS IN TERMS OF QUORUM, BUT YOU CAN CREATE THOSE WORKING GROUPS AND DETERMINE WHAT EVENTS YOU WANNA HAVE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AND DECIDE AS A GROUP HOW YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD. YEAH, I'M LIKE SO HAPPY BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF WAITING EVERY MONTH TO DECIDE ON SOMETHING, THEN TALK ABOUT THE NEXT MONTH AND THEN FINALLY VOTE ON THE NEXT MONTH. SO THE LESS INFORMAL WE CAN BE, I'M, IF THAT'S OKAY, THEN WE SHOULD DO THAT. BUT WE STILL HAVE TO ALIGN IT TO LIKE OUR BUDGET AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 'CAUSE WE MAY DO LIKE ONE EVENT AND BE SPENT OUT. SO, UM, WE HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT. BUT I THINK WE COULD DO A LOT OF GOOD PLANNING, ESPECIALLY WITH HER, UM, HELPING US. AND I THINK WE COULD GET SOME REALLY GOOD EVENTS. UH, THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS YOU FROM, YOU KNOW, MAKING A DECISION AND BRINGING IT BACK TO BACK TO THE GROUP. YEAH, AND, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT FOR THE PROPERTIES, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY PROPERTIES, EACH OF THEM HAS A COMMUNITY ROOM. SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY COST ANYTHING FOR THE BUDGET FOR US TO DO THAT, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE PRINTING COSTS TO PUT FLYERS ON THE DOOR TO SAY, HEY, WE WANNA HAVE THIS EVENT. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTIES AND IT WOULDN'T COST AS MUCH AS A REGULAR EVENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, MY, MY I UNTIL, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANCO, BECAUSE MY THOUGHT WAS TO, IF WE SHOULD FORM A FORMAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WORKING GROUP, WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT NEXT, NEXT TIME. BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP. SOME OF THE MORE [00:55:01] ENTHUSIASTIC, PROBABLY MEMBERS OF THAT WHO WOULD VOLUNTEER TO BE AND THERE TO START DOING AN INQUISITION BEFORE THAT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO DO THAT. BUT JUST FOR THE THING, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A WORKING GROUP. WE WILL, THAT COULD, COULD BE ORGANIZED THAT WE KNOW THE BOX STOPS THERE AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE GROUP THAT, THAT STARTS THAT, UH, INITIAL EVERYTHING. SO CARLOS, I DON'T WANNA GO INTO MY WORKING GROUP RANT, BUT WORKING GROUPS DON'T WORK. UM, WE CAN BARELY GET SIX PEOPLE TO SHOW UP TO THESE MEETINGS AND THE WORKING GROUPS ARE JUST NOT THE ROUTE. SO IF WE CAN BE MORE INFORMAL AND DO MORE WORK, I'M ALL FOR THAT. AND IF THEY EITHER A, DON'T LIKE IT OR HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, THEN THEY SHOULD SHOW UP. THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT. AND I, I KNOW THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD WANT TO HOST AN EVENT AND, AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT, BUT I DO PERSONALLY SUGGEST YOU AT LEAST TEAM UP WITH AT LEAST ONE OTHER COMMISSIONER. SO YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE MERGING INTERESTS TOGETHER TO FACILIT TO MAKE THE EVENT EASIER. UM, AND TO APPEAL A BROADER AUDIENCE. SO AGAIN, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT, BUT JUST MY PERSONAL SUGGESTION, TEAM UP WITH SOMEBODY. WE'RE IN HERE FOR ALL VERY SIMILAR REASONS, LIKE TO SAY WE HAVE, WE SHARE A LOT OF COMMONALITIES. UM, AND THAT'S IT. I AGREE, LAURA. UM, ALSO, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE 'CAUSE WHAT IF I GET SICK OR I'M NOT GONNA HAVE A BABY, BUT WHAT IF I HAVE A BABY ON THE WAY OF ONE OF MY FAMILY MEMBER? YOU KNOW? SO WE, WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ANOTHER PERSON. BUT YEAH, I THINK THE MORE, UM, THE LESS STRUCTURED AND LESS FORMAL, THE BETTER SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ENGAGE AND DEAL WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEN THE AFTER ACTION REPORTS AND REVIEWS AND EVERYTHING WE, WE CAN DO IN A FORMAL WAY, BUT JUST DOING THE WORK IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN DID WE HOLD THIS MEETING AND GET THIS VOTE AND DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. SO THAT'S, I HAVE ANOTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR IF WE'RE CREATING AN EVENT BUDGET WISE, SO WE CAN JUST TAP INTO THE BUDGET FOR THESE EVENTS. UM, AND THEN WE'LL GET THAT UPDATED BUDGET AS WE ARE SPENDING THAT MONEY. I KNOW WE'RE IN DEFICIT, SO IT'S KINDA IN THEORY. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE, YOU WOULD WORK WITH SARAH IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE ITEMS WERE, WHAT WERE THE COST OF THOSE THINGS? UM, SARAH WOULD WORK WITH ME IN TERMS OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS, UM, FOR, FOR THOSE ITEMS. UH, WHETHER THAT IS, UH, VENUES, UH, PRINTING MATERIALS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU NEED. SO YOU WOULD WORK WITH HER ON THAT. UH, SARAH HAS A LOT OF CONTACTS IN TERMS OF, UH, INDIVIDUALS, PHOTOGRAPHERS, INTERPRETERS, ALL THOSE PERSONS THAT WOULD HELP YOU, UM, NAVIGATE OR COORDINATE THAT EVENT. AND SO YEAH, JUST WORKING WITH HER IN TERMS OF COSTS AND THEN THE, THE APPROVAL PROCESS WOULD GO THROUGH ME. OKAY. AND THEN I'M ALL ABOUT SPENDING OTHER PEOPLE'S BUDGETS. SO IF, LIKE SHE SAID THEY HAVE FREE SPACE AT A CERTAIN PLACE OR IF YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY HOSTING A THING AND WE JUMP ON IT, THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFICACIOUS FOR US BECAUSE YEAH. OKAY. SO YEAH. UM, I THINK JUST THE SYNCHRONIZATION AND YEAH. COLLABORATION. SO IF WE CAN GET THOSE AS SHE WAS ASKING FOR MORE INSIGHT AND UM, JUST MORE WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY REMEMBER TO SHOW UP, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UM, I THINK THAT COULD BE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD BENEFIT FOR ALL OF US. YEAH, DEFINITELY SOME OF THAT COLLABORATION, OF COURSE. WE DEFINITELY WANNA BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. YEAH. UH, AND SO YEAH, SOME OF THOSE COLLABORATIONS WITH WORK THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING, ALREADY ENGAGED IN, THAT YOU COULD TAG ALONG AND, AND BE THERE AND, AND INCREASE THE COSTS FOR US OVERALL. YEAH. WE WANNA LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. OKAY. DEFINITELY. THANK YOU. I ALSO WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR US TO MEET WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS. YOU CAN BE MEMBERS WHO ATTEND THIS EVENT, WHO COME FROM ORGANIZATIONS. A LOT OF IT STARTS IN A CONVERSATION HOW WE END UP AT BEING INVITED TO THINGS. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE, WE'RE INVITED TO ATTEND, INVITED TO TABLE, INVITED TO PRESENT. COMMUNITY MEMBER WILL JUST APPROACH US THAT ME AND BE LIKE, HEY, I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO COME TO MY CHURCH. I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO COME TO MY, UM, I FAITH-BASED INSTITUTION. WE HAVE PEOPLE COME AND TAKE TIME OUTTA THEIR DAY TO BE HERE. BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. 'CAUSE THEY WANNA ENGAGE WITH YOU. I THINK YOU COULD JUST GRAB COFFEE WITH SOMEBODY AND THAT'S OUTREACH. YOU COULD MM-HMM . UM, ATTEND SOMEONE ELSE'S MEETING. I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE, UH, MANY OTHER GREAT COMMISSIONS IN THIS CITY WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS WORK. AND THERE'S ALIGNMENT WHEN THEY IN, IN BETWEEN THIS WORK AND THEIR WORK. YOU COULD ATTEND A COMMISSION MEETING AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS. ANYTIME YOU'RE BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, THAT'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS THIS FORMAL. YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A, A, A HEALTH FAIR OR A COMMUNITY FAIR TO DO SOMETHING. SO I DO WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS THERE IF, IF, IF YOU GUYS NEED, UM, MATERIALS, I CAN HELP YOU WITH MATERIALS IF YOU GUYS NEED ONE NAME BADGES OR BUSINESS CARDS SO THAT YOU FEEL EMPOWERED TO GO OUT THERE AND START MAKING, YOU KNOW, SHAKING HANDS AND HANDING OUT BUSINESS CARDS. Y'ALL ARE ALL COMMUNITY LEADERS AND THAT'S [01:00:01] HOW PEOPLE SEE YOU ON THIS COMMISSION. YOU DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR AN EVENT TO GO START GETTING OUT THERE AND HITTING THE PAVEMENT AND BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. SO I DO WANNA ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO, TO NOT FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH US. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL ARE, ARE, I WOULD EMPOWER Y'ALL TO DO, ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO DO. I LIKE THAT. UM, AND I WANNA BADGE. NO. UM, WHAT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IF WE DON'T GO TO LIKE EVENTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE HOSTING, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING OR WHAT TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE SO TO HELP THE PLANNING PROCESS AND TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO ENGAGE IN THE PROPER WAY. 'CAUSE IF WE JUST SHOW UP AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE THE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION, THEN WE JUST HELD A MEETING, SO I WANNA BE ABLE TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, WITH INTENTIONALITY. SO MAYBE PIGGYBACKING FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN BREAKING OFF WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER WAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SOME OF THOSE STRUCTURED EVENTS FOR SURE. I WILL SAY SOMETIMES IT DOES HAPPEN THAT WAY AND IT'S NOT AS AWKWARD AFTER THE FIRST COUPLE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, ACTIVIST GROUPS THAT HAVE ATTENDED THIS EVENT. I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. THERE'S SOME FOLKS HERE THAT ARE LIKE PASSIONATE ABOUT POLICE OVERSIGHT. THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY WANNA TALK TO YOU, BE LIKE, HEY, CAN WE GRAB COFFEE? AND IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. AND IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO? A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND I'M TALKING A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY. IT'S MY JOB. I DO DO IT ALL DAY. UM, IS LISTENING IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT SOMEONE ELSE IS DOING, EVEN IF THEIR WORK IS NOT RELEVANT TO SEE WHERE THAT INTERSECTION IS. IT'S NOT ALWAYS TALKING. YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT A SALES PITCH NECESSARILY. IT IS A LISTENING TO UNDERSTAND. AND SO I THINK IF YOU HAVE THAT MINDSET TO LISTEN, TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT COMING WITH TALKING POINTS NECESSARILY SO MUCH AS LIKE, HEY, I'M NEW IN THIS ROLE, TELL ME WHAT YOU DO. I WANNA UNDERSTAND SO I CAN HELP YOU. IF YOU COME WITH THAT SERVANT LEADER MINDSET, YOU'LL BE SURPRISED HOW YOU CAN BUILD BRIDGES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMENTS. THANK YOU SARAH. UH, NEXT, [5. Discussion of a recommendation to the Austin Police Department (APD) to create a public dashboard of all APD interactions with federal immigration authorities for public transparency. ] NEXT WE'LL NEED TO ONE, WANT TO DISCUSSIONS ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THIS WAS ANOTHER ITEM, UH, SUGGESTED BY COMMISSIONER FLOOD, UH, LAST WEEK DISCUSSIONS OF A RECOMMENDATION TO THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CREATE A PUBLIC DASHBOARD OF ALL A PD INTERACTIONS WITH FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES FOR PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY. ONCE AGAIN, I'LL ASK YOU TO, TO LEAD THIS. UH, YES. SO WE WERE BRIEFED BY THE CHIEF AND WE UNDERSTOOD THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT STATE LAW SAYS AND NOW WHAT THE NEW POLICY SAID. AND SOMEONE JUST CAME AND BRIEFED THAT AND I THANKED THEM. UM, AND THERE ARE SOME INCONGRUENT SPACES THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT TO BE ADDRESSED HERE. AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FEASIBILITY OF DEVELOPING THE DASHBOARD SO WE CAN SEE, HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON AND HOW OFTEN THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING. JUST BECAUSE ONE ITEM MADE THE NEWS ONE TIME DOESN'T MEAN THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME. AND SO WITH THE VISIBILITY, WE CAN HAVE A MORE INTENTIONAL AND PROACTIVE RESPONSE TO WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A CULTURE WHERE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO CALL THE POLICE, ASSUMING THAT ALL POLICE OFFICERS ARE GONNA DO THE UNDESIRABLE THING. I CAN'T CALL IT RIGHT OR WRONG BECAUSE THERE'S LAW BEHIND IT, BUT THE UNDESIRABLE THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO IF THAT DASHBOARD EXISTED, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO LOOK INTO HOW THEIR INTERACTIONS PROCEED AND HOW THEY ARE AFFECTING OUR CITIZENS. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE STEPS FORWARD AFTER THAT. SO THAT'S MY, UH, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP. I THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S A REALLY BIG RISK HERE IN THIS PROGRAM THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY POLITICIZE IT A LOT. UM, ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT SECTORS FOR THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, SUCH AS I LIVE IN CHARLIE SECTOR, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE MORE POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE DEALING WITH THOSE TYPE OF CASES. IN MY AREA, THE BIGGEST THING THAT I WORRY ABOUT IN THAT SITUATION IS THE DATA. BECAUSE THOSE OFFICERS, IT MIGHT PUT THEM AT RISK, IT COULD POSSIBLY OR POTENTIALLY PUT A TARGET ON THEM AS THEY MIGHT TO THE PUBLIC. BUT I'M SAYING THE THE DATA COULD POSSIBLY BE WEAPONIZED AGAINST THE POLICE. AND I, I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ENSURE THAT THE DATA IS NOT WEAPONIZED POLITICALLY OR AGAINST THE POLICE. ABSOLUTELY. NO ONE WANTS TO USE DATA AS A WEAPON. DATA SHOULD BE USED AS A POINT OF FACT. IT EITHER HAPPENED OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THOSE ACTIONS. SO X NUMBER OF OFFICERS DID REPORT ACCOUNT ENCOUNTERS. THEN WHAT HAPPENED [01:05:01] WITH THOSE REPORTS? DID THEY WAIT FOR THE ICE AGENTS TO SHOW UP OR DID THEY LEAVE AS THE CHIEF SAID, THEY HAVE OTHER PRIORITIES. AND TO JUST SEE WHAT TRENDS AND PATTERNS ARE PROGRESSING NOT TO WEAPONIZE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO IDENTIFY BECAUSE I'M SURE INTERNALLY THEY KNOW WHAT OFFICERS DID THE ACTION. AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TO BE PUBLIC FACING. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING WHEN IS HAPPENING. AND YOU CAN SEE A BUNCH OF TRANSFER PATTERNS. YOU CAN SAY THAT CHARLIE SECTOR HAS A LOT OF OFFICERS THAT ARE REPORTING WHILE ANOTHER SECTOR ISN'T. OR YOU CAN SAY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 12 AND 4:00 AM MORE PEOPLE ARE REPORTED. OR YOU CAN SAY THAT NONE OF THE OFFICERS ON THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE REPORTED EVER SINCE THIS HIGH VISIBILITY INCIDENT. BUT WITHOUT A DASHBOARD, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. SO I DON'T THINK ANYTHING SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE BLACK BOX. THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT. BUT NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UM, DISPOSING THE OFFICER ANYTHING ELSE. AND WE DON'T WANT OUR OFFICERS TO START WEARING MASKS BECAUSE THEY FEAR THAT, UM, WE SOMEHOW THAT DOESN'T GO WELL. WE JUST WANT THE INFORMA THE DATA. WE DON'T WANT TO WEAPONIZE ANYTHING. AND IN A WAY, A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN POLITICIZED ALREADY AND A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. UM, AS FAR AS EVEN CONSTITUTIONALLY, THE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS AREN'T REALLY THE WAY THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE WARRANTS ANYWAY. SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS AND EVERYONE HAS SHARED SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. NO WEAPONIZATION SHOULD OCCUR AT ALL. SO I WOULD JUST HIGHLY SUGGEST IF WE DID INITIATE SOME SORT OF PROGRAM LIKE THIS, THAT THERE NOT BE SPECIFICS BROKEN DOWN BY SECTOR, UM, BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE A CITYWIDE VIEW OF IT. OR THERE IS GONNA BE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHERE CERTAIN AREAS ARE GOING TO BE TARGETED BY CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS ON THAT. AND AGAIN, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT TYPE OF DATA, IT NEEDS TO JUST BE CITYWIDE AND NOT BROKEN DOWN BY DIFFERENT AREAS. CAN I, UH, ADD TO YOUR DISCUSSION, UM, BASED ON WHAT I, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, DESCRIPTION, THIS, THE RECORDING OF THIS DATA IS SOMETHING THAT'S DONE AND REQUIRED BY THEM. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF THEY DON'T DO THEIR VIOLATIONS TO THIS TO BEGIN WITH. AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ASKING 'EM TO RECORD ANYTHING ELSE AT ALL THAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED BY, FOR THEM TO FOLLOW THEIR GENERAL ORDER. THERE HAS TO BE DONE. THE REQUIREMENT HERE WAS THE MAKE THAT DATA PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY IT. AND, AND THE IDEA IS THAT THE IDEA IS THE FOR TRANSPARENCY AND YEAH, I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING MORE. YOU WANNA INCREASE THE CONFIDENCE OF THE COMMUNITY TOWARDS AUSTIN POLICE. IT HELPS THAT IF DATA THEY'RE TAKEN IS SHARED WITH US REAL TIME. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND COMMISSIONER FLOOD'S SUGGESTION. AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY, UM, I MEAN, I I SECOND IT TOO. I MEAN, I'M, I'M, THINGS I'M LEANING TOWARDS DOING THAT. WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED THOUGH, AND THIS IS WHERE I COME IN AS AS THE CHAIR, IS THAT WHAT I, TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? SO I THINK SOMEBODY HAS TO MAYBE DRAFT SOMETHING FORMAL. OKAY. AND THEN WE VOTE ON THAT, AND THEN WE SUBMIT THAT TO THE, SO THEY HAVE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION BY US AND WE GET TO ALL VOTE ON IT. AND SOME OF US WILL NOT BE IN AGREEMENT. BUT IF THE, IF THE THE MAJORITY DECIDES, THEN THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AGREES. AND I ALSO WANNA SAY, AS AN IMPLEMENTATION SCIENTIST, UM, NOTHING HAPPENS IN THE VACUUM. WHAT'S TRUE IN AUSTIN IN GENERAL CANNOT BE GENERALIZED WHAT HAPPENS IN ONE SECTOR. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE SECTORS MAY NOT BE THE SAME IN THE SECTOR. NO SECTORS ARE THE SAME. SO IF WE ARE TRYING TO TREAT IT THAT WAY, THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD DO THAT IF YOU HAD A STATEWIDE DATABASE AND YOU COULD SAY AUSTIN COMPARED TO SAN ANTONIO, BUT YOU CANNOT SAY OR PRETEND THAT ONE SIDE OF TOWN IS EQUITABLE OR EQUAL TO THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN. ACTIONS AND NON-ACTION HAPPEN AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS BASED ON SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS AND OTHER NEEDS WITHIN BOTH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND SOCIETY AT LARGE. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND BE ABLE TO BREAK IT DOWN. UM, ONE A SECTION EIGHT HOUSING COMPLEX IS NOT THE SAME AS ANOTHER ONE. ONE AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT THE SAME AS ANOTHER. I KNOW, UM, DIFFERENT ACTORS RESIDE IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. AND SO, AND CRIME IS PROXIMITY. SO PEOPLE DON'T REALLY GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS TOWN TO DO CRIME. YOU DO CRIME CLOSE TO WHERE YOU LIVE. AND SO WITH ALL THOSE FACTS, WE CANNOT SAY THAT WE SHOULD JUST AGGREGATE ALL DATA AND NOT SAY WHAT THE TRUTH IS. AND PLUS THEY'RE ALREADY DOCUMENTED. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO [01:10:01] DO ANYTHING ELSE BUT SHOW US WHAT IS HAPPENING. AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY EASY ASK. AND SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT I AM COMPLETELY AGAINST THIS IDEA, BUT I AM SAYING WE DEFINITELY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN ON THIS CONVERSATION AND GET OTHER COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON IT. BECAUSE THERE IS THE POTENTIAL. IF, LIKE YOU SAID, AND WE AGREE THAT DIFFERENT AREAS ARE GONNA HAVE A HIGHER, UM, AMOUNT OF THESE INSTANCES HAPPENING, WHO IS TO SAY THAT SOMEONE'S NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THIS DATA AND BE LIKE, OKAY, I NEED TO GO FOLLOW THE POLICE AROUND THIS AREA TO HELP THEM NOT DO THIS AND TO PROTECT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I SEE, LIKE WITH THE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT WE ARE RIGHT NOW, JUST LIKE, LOOK AT MINNESOTA, THAT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT POSSIBILITY. SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS IF THAT HAPPENS. IT IS THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. SO I REALLY DON'T SEE IT AS A BAD THING BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU WANT SOMEBODY THERE WHEN YOU DO HAVE ENCOUNTERS WITH POLICE, I'M SPEAKING NOW AT THE BLACK MAN, WHEN I GET PULLED OVER, THE CHANCES OF ME HAVING A NEGATIVE ENCOUNTER WITH THE POLICE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN, UM, NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN. AND SO I WOULD WANT SOMEBODY TO BE THERE TO WITNESS WHAT HAPPENED OR I RECORDED WITH MY PHONE. AND I'M AWARE OF THAT. UM, AND SO IF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANT TO BE MORE PROACTIVE AND PARTICIPATORY, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT OBSTRUCTING OR VIOLATING ANY LAWS, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. THE BAD THING IS BAD THINGS ARE HAPPENING TO PEOPLE AND THEY'RE AFRAID TO REPORT IT. AND THERE IS NO TRANSPARENCY AND THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK HAVING A DASHBOARD WILL ALLOW US TO SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. AND WE, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE, I JUST SPOKE WITH HER THE LAST MEETING AND I BROUGHT UP THIS SUGGESTION WHILE SHE WAS HERE. UM, AND SO I'M ALL ABOUT COLLABORATION AND I'M ALL ABOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY FEELING REPRESENTED. NO MATTER WHAT SECTOR THEY LIVE IN, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR ORIENTATION IS, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR RELIGION IS, ANYTHING, THEY'RE ALL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. THEY ALL SHOULD FEEL SEEN, HEARD, AND UNDERSTOOD. AND THEY SHOULD ALL FEEL PROTECTED BECAUSE THAT IS THE DUTY OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TO PROTECT AND SERVE. AND YOU CAN'T BE A SERVANT IF YOU FEEL SUPERIOR TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE SERVING. OKAY? SO THEY OWE THE COMMUNITY A SERVICE AND A GOOD SERVICE. AND THAT INCLUDES THE, HAVE TRANSPARENCY ON WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. NO ONE'S ABOVE THE LAW, INCLUDING THE LAW. UM, CAN I, I KNOW THAT WE, WE, UM, I I'M, I PERSONALLY ENJOY THIS DEBATE, KINDA SHOW THE DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS AND EVERYTHING. I WILL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OTHERS IN THE COMMISSION HAVE A CHANCE TO CHIME IN. ABSOLUTELY. SURE. UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I'LL SAY WHAT CAN BE RELEASED IS, IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOOK, LOOK TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT OF TEXAS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE, WHAT CAN BE PUT ON A DASHBOARD AND WHAT CAN'T. UH, I THINK A LOT OF THAT HAS KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN SETTLED, BUT THERE IS A FRAMEWORK IN PLACE ALREADY THAT ALLOWS US TO GO, OKAY, WHAT CAN BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC AND WHAT CANNOT? AND UM, YEAH, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. YEAH. AND FOR CLARITY, CHIEF DAVID SAID THEY'RE ALREADY TRACK IT AND IT IS AVAILABLE. IT'S JUST NOT AVAILABLE IN THE FORM OF A DASHBOARD, THAT'S ALL. SO THAT'S ALL WE'RE TELLING THEM TO DO IS TAKE WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY COLLECTING. I THINK SHE SAID THEY PUBLISHED IT QUARTERLY ANYWAY AND JUST PUT IT ON THE DASHBOARD. THAT'S IT. NOTHING ELSE. NO, NO MORE, NO LESS. JUST TAKE IT AND PUT IT INTO ACTION. I JUST WANNA SAY ONE MORE CONCERN. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA DETER OFFICERS FROM WANTING TO DO THEIR JOB AS WELL. 'CAUSE THEY MIGHT FACE, YOU KNOW, PUSHBACK FROM DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IMAGE THAT THEY'RE TARGETING INDIVIDUALS. BUT AS A SURVIVOR OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE IS PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES LIKE MINE THAT ARE VICTIMS OF TRAFFICKING. AND IF WE DETER THE POLICE FROM DOING THEIR JOB, WE'RE NOT PROTECTING VICTIMS AND WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THOSE WHO MIGHT BE SUFFERING IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING. AND SO WE DON'T WANNA DETER THE POLICE FROM DOING THEIR JOB. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A BINARY CHOICE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD DETER CITIZENS FROM REPORTING, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD DETER POLICE FROM DOING THEIR JOB. IF POLICE DO THEIR JOB, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WORRIES. IF THE CITIZENS FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO REPORT, THEN THAT'S A DUAL ACCOUNTABILITY THING. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT DETERRENCE BECAUSE WHAT AM I DETERRING YOU FROM? IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW AND DOING YOUR JOB, HOW IS THIS STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THAT? THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REPORT. THAT'S STATE LAW. WE NEED TO KNOW WHEN THAT'S HAPPENING. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY COLLECTING THAT DATA ANYWAY. AND SO, LIKE I SAID, IT ALREADY EXISTS. IT ALREADY GETS REPORTED OUT. THE ONLY THING [01:15:01] THAT'S CHANGING IS MAKING IT PUBLIC IN THE FORM OF A DASHBOARD INSTEAD OF A WRITTEN DOCUMENT. THAT'S ALL THAT'S CHANGING. UH, ONE, ONE INTERESTING OBSERVATION FROM MINE THAT AT THE, THE LAST, WELL, IN A MEETING THAT, UH, THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT HAD AT THE JOB OR LIBRARY, THEY WERE ASKING FOR OTHER INFORMATION OR, OR INPUTS THAT WE COULD TAKE TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY MAYBE TRACK THAT IN INTEREST INTO ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS TO TRY TO TRACK HOW MANY VIOLATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, REPORTING AND SO FORTH TAKEN. SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE REPORTS ARE BY LAW THE OBLIGATION. AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE ARE NOT FOLLOWING IT. SO I I, LIKE I SAID, I NOT, NOT TO SUPPORT, I MEAN, I SAID I'M BIASED TOWARDS THE SIDE OF SAYING IF DATA IS THERE, IT'S COLLECTED. THE, THE LONGER, THE MORE WE CAN MAKE IT AVAIL AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, THE BETTER. TRANSPARENCY IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO, WE JUST SPOKEN ITEM FOUR ABOUT US TRYING TO GO OUT THERE AND TALK TO THE PUBLIC. THIS FOLLOWS ALONG THOSE LINES IN MY, MY VIEW. BUT, UH, IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S IN, IT'S, I THINK BOTH SIDES HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO, TO EXPRESS IT. THINK SO. UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, MAYBE WE WILL, THIS CAN DEFINITELY BE POSTPONED TO, ONCE THERE'S A DRAFTED, A DRAFTED PROPOSAL, WE GET A CHANCE TO, TO, TO VOTE ON IT. THE, THE PLURALITY OF THE, WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S A PLURALITY OF, OF MEMBERS OF THE THING TO VOTE ON IT NEXT, NEXT TIME. AND I'LL MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE AGENDA. COMMISSIONER, UH, WOULD YOU VOLUNTEER DRAFT IT? IS THAT, IS THAT YOU DREW, PLEASE? UM, I'LL COLLABORATE. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COLLABORATE. YEAH. BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, I WANTED TO ASK, RIGHT, AS PART OF BRINGING BACK THE CONVERSATION TO A COMMISSION AS A, AS A REVIEW ENTITY. 'CAUSE WE DON'T INVESTIGATE, RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, I WANNA ASK IF A PO IS ALREADY COLLECTING DATA REGARDING THOSE IMMIGRATION CASES OR RELATED CASES, WE ARE NOT. OKAY. SO ANOTHER DISCUSSION IS WOULD WE WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO A PO TO COLLECT THAT DATA OR STRAIGHT TO A PD TO SHARE US THAT DATA? AND THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC. SO NOT NECESSARILY A DASHBOARD FOR EVERYONE AND FOR, FOR THEM TO CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF SCRATCH, BUT IS THERE ANOTHER ROUTE WE CAN TAKE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THE WORK? CAN WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR EITHER A PO OR A PD TO SHARE THAT WITH US AND THEN HAVE THAT DATA? I THINK THAT IF THE DASHBOARD'S CREATED, THEN THE DATA IS SHARED ANYWAY AND THEN EVERYONE CAN ACCESS IT ALMOST. YEAH. AND SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY, OR IT SHOULDN'T BE BINARY ANYWAY. UM, WE CAN ASK BOTH OF THEM TO DO IT. BUT LIKE I SAID, IF WE HAVE ONE DASHBOARD, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE REPORT, JUST CONVERT IT INTO A DASHBOARD SO THAT YOU CAN TRACK IT IN REAL TIME. UM, I THINK THAT WILL ALLOW EVERYONE TO SEE IT SO WE'RE NOT CREATING REDUNDANCY. UM, YEAH, AND I MEAN I THINK THAT IS WITHIN OUR OVERSIGHT, RIGHT? YES, WE DO HAVE OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES OF A PO OF A PD AND WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING. UM, BUT I THINK YES, IN THEORY WOULD BE EASY FOR THEM TO HAVE A DASHBOARD AND, AND GET IT OUT THERE. BUT I THINK REALISTICALLY WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IN THE TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE, IT MIGHT BE MORE EFFICIENT OR MORE EFFECTIVE TO HAVE THAT DATA KIND OF BE SENT TO US AND THEN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DISCLOSE THAT IN OUR MEETING. THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION, A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. YEAH. WELL, IT'S A SUBTLE DIFFERENT BETWEEN RECORDED INCIDENTS, WHICH NO, THERE'S NO CRIME ANALYSIS RECORDING ALL INCIDENT, WHICH IS THEY'RE DOING AND THEY'RE REPORTING. I HAVE THAT PUBLIC AND THEN RECORDING VIOLATIONS OF, OF THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT. I SEE THOSE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND TO THAT POINT, UM, IF THE DASHBOARD IS CREATED, THE PUBLIC HAS TRANSPARENCY AND THEN IF THERE'S INCIDENTS WITHIN THOSE, THEN THAT WOULD, THAT'S WHY THEY WOULD NEED TO TRY IT. BUT LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW WE'VE ONLY HEARD ABOUT ONE INCIDENT, BUT THERE COULD BE MANY MORE. BUT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO REPORT AND SOME PEOPLE CAN'T REPORT BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN INTO CUSTODY. AND SO I THINK THE DASHBOARD WILL BE THE MACRO AND THEN WE COULD DO SOMETHING ON THE MICRO ADD. BUT AT LEAST THE FIRST ITERATIVE STEP I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THE DASHBOARD. AND UM, LIKE I SAID, I'LL WORK ON THAT AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THAT ON THE AGENDA. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A FORMAL VOTE. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S OPINION AND PERSPECTIVE AND, UM, THINK IT'S A ROBUST DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD. I WOULD DEFINITELY, UM, GET OUR, UH, LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS COMMISSION INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S A PD INTERACTIONS WITH FEDERAL ENTITIES AND AS FAR AS WHAT THAT I DON'T, I WOULD DEFINITELY GET OUR LEGAL EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT WOULD DELAY THINGS A LOT SINCE HIS BANDWIDTH IS VERY LIMITED. BUT I CAN SEND HIM A DRAFT OF MY PROPOSAL AND, BUT AS FAR AS EXPECTING HIM TO ATTEND OR DO ANYTHING, UM, THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN BY DEFAULT, WE DRAFT IT AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THAT THEY CAN CREATE TEASE [01:20:01] OUT. SO THAT'S START THE DRAFT FINE'S FINE, STARTS WITH DRAFTS. UM, AND, AND I AND I, A PERSONAL WEEK, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT MS CAR. GUTIERREZ CASTELLANOS AND SHE'S ALREADY IN, IN HONDURAS WITH HER CHILD. BUT MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BY, BY PUTTING THIS DATA IN THERE, WE MAKE LIFE IN AUSTIN A. LITTLE BIT MORE SAFE FOR MANY OF US. SO CREATE MORE TRUST. I THINK LAURA HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. UM, I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING I KIND OF FORGOT JUST TO REMIND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE INDIVIDUALS, IMMIGRANT AND OTHER CITIZENS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RESIDENTS OF AUSTIN, RIGHT? WE'RE THE COMMUNITY POLICE PROVISION WITH AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT, AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE AUSTINITES, THEY LIVE IN AUSTIN, RIGHT? THEY DO FALL WITHIN OUR, WHAT I THINK OUR OBLIGATION RESPONSIBILITIES OF OVERSIGHT IN WHATEVER, WHICH WAY THE DATA IS PRESENTED, RIGHT? 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO POLITICIZE ANY OF THE DATA, BUT THE DATA IS THERE, THESE CASES ARE THERE, IT'S HAPPENING WHETHER WE RECORD IT OR WHETHER, WHETHER, WHETHER WE SHARE OR NOT. IT'S HAPPENING. SO I THINK IT IS WITHIN OUR RESPONSIBILITIES. AND I DO WANT TO, UH, MAYBE FLO MAYBE I'LL ALSO WORK WITH YOU COMMISSIONER FLO, BECAUSE I DO THINK, LIKE COMMISSIONER HARRIS POINTED, IF WE DO NEED LEGAL, AND IN THE PAST IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN, BUT WE WAITED MONTHS TO HEAR BACK FROM LEGAL REPRESENTATION THAT DELAYS PROCESS TO PRESENT ANYTHING THEREFORE TO VOTE AND TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I DO WANNA HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, NOT ONE POINT OF FAILURE IF IT MIGHT BE THAT LEGAL ASPECT OF US PUSHING FORWARD, BUT HAVING DIFFERENT PATHS TO PRESENT HOPEFULLY THE NEXT MEETING TO SEE WHICH ONE'S MORE REALISTIC IN A TIMELY MANNER SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. ABSOLUTELY. MAYBE WE'VE EXHAUSTED THIS DISCUSSION POINT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WAS ENGAGING AND, AND INFORMATIVE FOR ME. UH, UM, THE NEXT, [6. Discussion of Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS) requirements for CPRC commissioners and use of a shared drive for case review. ] UH, DISCUSSION ITEM IS, ITEM NUMBER SIX IS DISCUSSION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SERVICE THAT CJS REQUIREMENTS FOR CPRC COMMISSIONERS, UH, AND THE USE OF SHARED DRIVE FOR A CASE REVIEW. AND I WILL ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANCO, OH, THE, TO LEAD THIS DISCUSSION, I JUST, I WANNA INTERVENE REAL QUICK. IT, IT APPEARS WE HAVE SOMEONE ONLINE THAT'S A COMMISSIONER THAT'S TRYING TO GET IN. SHE'S BEEN OKAY. WELL, I'LL TELL HER. MS. RUSSELL HAS BEEN, I MEAN, COMMISSIONER RUSSELL HAS BEEN ON FOR A WHILE. SHE'S JUST, YEAH. SO YEAH, SHE'LL TALK WHEN SHE TRUST SHE SAY SOMETHING. KATHY WILL GET INVOLVED IF SHE WANTS. YEAH. AND IF WE DO HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONER'S, COMMISSIONER, THEY USING THEIR COMMISSIONER EMAIL TO LOG IN. OKAY. THAT MIGHT BE, SO WE DO HAVE A COMMISSIONER. OKAY. IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF THAT. OKAY. UH, BUT YES, FOR THE REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR, OUR COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE WORKING WHAT I CALL A BANDAID SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE THIS DRIVE, UH, BECAUSE WE ALL HAVEN'T MET C-G-C-G-I-S, UH, TRAINING CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SERVICES. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, IN THAT WAY, OPENLY, FREELY KIND OF VIEW THESE FILES. THEY HAVE TO BE UPLOADED, I DUNNO HOW MANY, ONE TIMES, TWO TIMES THEY HAVE TO BE LIKE, UM, REDACTED AND THEN FINALLY ACCESSIBLE TO US. AND IF FOR THOSE, THOSE THAT HAVE REVIEW CASES, IT TAKES HOURS TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THE FILES, ALL THE FOLDERS. SOMETIMES FOLDERS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. BUT IT IS ALLOWED TO ASK TO EMPTY, EMPTY FOLDERS AS THEY'RE UPLOADING CASES. WE ARE DOING THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL CERTIFIED. THAT RESPONSIBILITY FALLS WITHIN US AS COMMISSIONERS, RIGHT? THIS IS ABANDONED SITUATION THAT WE CAN AVOID, UH, MAXING OUT THE DATA, SLOWING DOWN THE SERVER BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY, I MEAN, HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF FILES OF CASES AND GIGABYTES OF VIDEOS, OF FILES, DOCUMENTS, UM, ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF REGARDING TO THESE CASES. AND SO JUST A REMINDER, EVERY YEAR WE NEED TO BE DOING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SERVICE REQUIREMENTS. SO I THINK WE, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECENTLY RECEIVED ANOTHER EMAIL TO YOUR CPRC EMAIL SAYING, HEY, THIS IS DUE. YOU HAVE TO DO IT UPDATED. THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO EVERY YEAR. SO IF WE DID IT LAST YEAR, IT'S DUE AGAIN. WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN. SAME THING WITH, UM, I THINK IT WAS SOME SORT OF TRAINING, CYBERSECURITY TRAINING. I BELIEVE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MAY 31ST DEADLINE. UH, SO JUST A REMINDER ABOUT THAT. THIS IS WHY WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT. WE HAVE ALL THIS LONG PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US THAT WOULD MAKE THE PROCESS SO MUCH EASIER FOR A PO TO GIVE US ACCESS TO THOSE FILES AND FOR US TO MORE QUICKLY REVIEW AND HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS READY WHERE WE'RE STUCK IN. AND I, AND I'LL WAIT FOR NUMBER SEVEN TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE WORKFLOW. UM, QUESTION, QUESTION ABOUT THAT. UM, I THOUGHT WE AGREED THAT IF ONE, A COMMISSIONER DIDN'T COMPLY THAT THEY WOULDN'T GET ACCESS, BUT THE REST OF US WOULD, DID THAT CHANGE? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S CHANGED. HOWEVER, SINCE WE ARE IN WORKING GROUPS AND ALL THREE OF US HAVE TO REVIEW THE FILES, UM, THEN WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE MORE EFFICIENT IF THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T AT, UM, ACCESS T THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN A WORKING GROUP. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. UH, I MEAN, IN THEORY, OF COURSE WE'D LOVE TO ALL BE CGIS, YOU KNOW, CERTIFIED AND TRAINED SO THAT IT FACILITIES THE PROCESS. IF FOR WHATEVER KNOWN REASON SOMEONE ISN'T ABLE TO, THERE MIGHT BE A WAY, A ROUNDABOUT WAY THAT KINDA [01:25:01] ALLOCATES OUR PROCESS, UM, INSTEAD OF KIND OF FIXING THE PROBLEMS. BUT THAT IS A SOLUTION. I CAN MAKE A COMMENT. UM, I KNOW THAT SOME OF IT STARTED, 'CAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO I DID GET THE NOTIFICATION AND AT FIRST IGNORED IT BECAUSE IT WAS FOUR LESS THAN FOUR MONTHS AGO THAT I WENT AND TOOK THE EXACT SAME, UH, THING AND DID IT. AND I THOUGHT, THIS MUST BE A MISTAKE. OR I'LL, I'LL FIGURE, I'LL TALK TO RYAN LATER BECAUSE SEE WHY HE DIDN'T HAVE ME RECORDED. BUT THEN I WAS INFORMED THAT NO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DONE YEARLY AND THIS IS A START ON. AND IT, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD THE SAME TITLE AND WHATEVER, I JUST NEED TO TAKE IT AGAIN. AND I DID TAKE IT AGAIN AND MY SCORE WAS LESS THAN LAST TIME. SO IT MEANS THAT I, I NEED, IT DOESN'T HURT TO TAKE IT AGAIN BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S THINGS THAT, UH, THAT I MISS. SO MY ADVICE IS PLEASE GO AND TAKE THE THING. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S EASY. IT'S A VERY LITTLE THRESHOLD FOR SOMEONE, THE STUFF WE HAVE TO DO AND GET IT UP. THERE'S NO EXCUSE WHY, UH, WE, WE CAN'T, ALL OF US CAN BE COMPLIANT IN, IN, IN TAKING THAT COURSE. IT'S A VERY LOW BAR. SO, AND FOR ME IT WAS OKAY, GO. YES. SORRY. UH, I WAS, UH, I I WAS REVIEWING THIS, THE , UH, WORK, UH, UH, CERTIFICATION YESTERDAY AND I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A, A, A PREREQUISITE FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, MODULE. DO YOU KNOW IF WE, IF WE FULFILLED THAT PREREQUISITE IN THE PAST? UH, OR IS, OR ARE WE JUST SKIPPING THAT PREREQUISITE TO DO THIS PARTICULAR TRAINING? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SKIP IT. SO THE CBI IS THE PREREQUISITE. SO IF YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK, NOW YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO THROUGH THE TRAINING. SO ENSURE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY DOES THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK. AND THAT'S A PREREQUISITE FOR GOING THROUGH THE CGES TRAINING. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT WASN'T CLEAR TRUE. 'CAUSE I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL MOVE ON. AND , I KNOW, I, I KNOW I SUBMITTED MY CBI, BUT I NEVER GOT CONFIRMATION THAT IT'S GOOD. BUT I GUESS SINCE IT'S, I DIDN'T GET CONFIRMATION THAT WAS BAD, THAT IT'S GOOD YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE. OKAY. WE THINK WE COVERED, UH, WE MADE, MADE SURE EVERYBODY, YEAH, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE SHARED DRIVE, UH, TO ACCESS FILES. I THINK THAT'S I OKAY. OKAY. SO, UH, UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I KNOW THERE WAS AN INTERNAL DEBATE AND SO FORTH, BUT PLEASE TAKE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S, IT'S AN EASY END. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IF RYAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND TELLING ME WHO WAS, WHO'S MISSING, I HAVE TO GO AND BABYSIT AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE TAKE IT OUT. I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, SO, OKAY. SO WE CAN, UH, NOBODY HAS ANYTHING. WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER [Item 7 & Item 8] SEVEN. IT'S DISCUSSION ON THE CPRC WORKFLOW AND ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES, UH, TO THE PROCESS. UM, JUST HAVE A, A LITTLE PREAMBLE HERE. IS THAT CLEARLY IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT SOME OF US HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON GETTING THE REVIEW PROCESS UP. YOU KNOW, IT'S MY, THAT'S MY BABY. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE REVIEWING IT. CPRC, THE ONE THING THAT IS IN OUR NAME IS REVIEW. AND I, WE WERE STRUGGLING TO TRY TO GET THE REVIEW PROCESS UP AND ALL'S GETTING THIS TO WORK IN. SO, AND I AM TODAY WAS, IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT SOME OF THE OTHER OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH HAVE BEEN POSTPONED, LIKE TALKING TO THE PUBLIC, ARE BEING NOW ADDRESSED BY SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. FANTASTIC. BUT THIS, THIS WORKFLOW IS DESIGNED TO TRY TO ENGAGE ALL 11 OF US IN THE COMMISSION AND WORKING GROUPS THAT CAN MEET, YOU KNOW, OPEN THE TOMA AND, AND GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE FOR US TO GET TO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CASES REVIEWED TO MAKE AN IMPACT IN REVIEWING. SO, UH, AS, AS WE DECIDED THERE WAS AN INITIAL VOTE ON A FLOW AND SOME OF US GUILTY OR SO EAGER TO, TO GET THE THING GOING, THAT SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT AND WE'VE BEEN CORRECTED SINCE. BUT MY PERSONAL PORTION ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS IS LIKE, LET'S START REVIEWING, GET ON A REVIEW, WORK WITH YOUR WORKING GROUP, JUST GET SOME REVIEWS OUT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE, AT LEAST ON THE TOP OF ONE OF THE, WHAT THE PUBLIC'S EXPECTING FROM US. AND THE SOONER WE CAN DO THAT, THE BETTER WE CAN, WE CAN START DOING SOMETHING. AT LEAST ONE OF THE 10 THINGS THAT WE'RE ASSIGNED TO DO IS ONE ON TOP OF THE PRIORITY. SO WITH THAT COMMISSIONER FRAN, I'LL LET YOU. SURE. SO I'VE ATTACHED THE WORKFLOW AND THE WORKING GROUP INFORMATION THAT WAS PASSED, I BELIEVE JUNE, 2025, UH, MAYBE JUNE OR JULY, JULY, JULY, JULY. SO SINCE JULY WE'VE HAD THIS PROCESS IN THEORY, WE ALL READ IT, WE ALL UNDERSTOOD IT, WE VOTED [01:30:01] ON IT, WE PASSED IT. THIS IS THE WORKFLOW THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE ARE USING NOW AS WE ARE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IN THEORY AND PRACTICE. NOW AS WE ARE PRACTICING THIS WORK, WE'RE LIKE, HMM, WE'RE COMING INTO SOME BARRIERS. WE'RE REALIZING WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS, WHAT ABOUT THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW TO WORK THROUGH. UH, AND SO I'M INCLUDING THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. HOPEFULLY WE HAD SOME TIME TO READ THROUGH IT, WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS, WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, AND FOR THOSE THAT HAPPEN IN WORKING GROUPS, AS WE'VE HEARD YOUR FEEDBACK, IF YOU HAVE ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES, IF YOU WANT TO ENHANCE OUR SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE OR WANT TO BRING FORTH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORKFLOW, THE THE FLOOR'S OPEN FOR ANY SUGGESTIONS. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, 'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S, IT'S BEEN KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GET THREE PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER TO GET THIS DONE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE REVIEWED, REVIEWED THESE FILES. SO WE HAVE THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE OPO, AND THEN WE'RE A THIRD, UM, PARTY THAT'S DOING IT. SO I KNOW ORIGINALLY YOU HAD CONCERN AS FAR AS IF ONLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WERE IN AGREEMENT, THEN WE CAN'T PRESENT BECAUSE WE WANNA HAVE AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE ON IT. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD POSSIBLY TRY TO CHANGE THAT TO A MAJORITY OF THE GROUP JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACTS THAT HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOWING UP IS A DIFFICULT PROBLEM. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT BIG OF A DEAL IF ONLY TWO PEOPLE COME TO A CONSENSUS IN THE GROUP, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE TWO OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO THIS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CHANGED INTO TWO PEOPLE INSTEAD OF THREE PEOPLE. GOT IT. AND SO, AND, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PICTURE HERE. SO THIS I IMAGINE IS THE CASE. A-P-O-A-P-D AGREES TO ONE THING, A PO AGREED, TWO OF US AGREED, ONE OF US DIDN'T. THAT'S THIS, IS THAT THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? PRETTY MUCH THE SITUATION IS ONE PERSON DIDN'T PARTICIPATE, SO ONLY TWO HAVE PARTICIPATED. GOT IT. SO I WOULD CONSIDER THAT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED IN MY GROUP, BUT I'M HEARING FEEDBACK FROM OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? SO THEN NOT THREE OF US REVIEWED THE CASE, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT THEY DISAGREE, THEY JUST DIDN'T DO IT. AND SO I THINK THERE IS WHERE WE'RE FINDING SOME ISSUES WHERE IF YOU'RE A COMMISSIONER AND, AND WE'RE SEEING SOME COMMISSIONERS COME IN, COME OUT, WE'RE, UH, ABOUT TO UPDATE ON, ON NEW COMMISSIONERS FOR THAT REASON, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE COMMISSIONER RESPONSIBILITIES THAT FOR SOME OF US INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT, THAT CASE REVIEW. THAT DOES TAKE A LENGTHY TIME. AND SO THE POINT OF THAT OF THAT WAS SO THAT WE WANT TO HEAR DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, RIGHT? WE REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, INTERNAL AFFAIRS WITH THE REVIEW, A PO DID THEIR THING. WE'RE GETTING THE CASES. NOW IT'S A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT INVESTIGATORS, WE'RE JUST REVIEWING WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE ARE ABLE TO SEE. BUT WE, WE DO WANNA HEAR THOSE MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES OF A CASE, RIGHT? WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS. YOU EVERYONE SAW HERE EARLIER, UH, SOME CONVERSATIONS FROM VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, EVEN AMONGST TWO COMMISSIONERS, UH, GOING BACK AND FORTH. SO WE HAVE THREE THAT HELP LEVERAGE. LIKE, OKAY, WELL EVEN IF THERE'S A MAJORITY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE MINORITY DOESN'T GET HEARD? THEREFORE THE WORKFLOW SAYS, LET'S HAVE ANOTHER GROUP OF THREE REVIEW THEM. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIX COMMISSIONERS. THIS HELPS LESSEN THE WORKLOAD FOR ALL 11 COMMISSIONERS REVIEWING EVERY SINGLE CASE EVERY SINGLE TIME. SO NOW WE HAVE SIX, AND I THINK THIS IS ON THE FIRST PAGE THAT YOU SEE THE WORKFLOW, THE LAST BULLET POINT. UM, IF WE DO NOT MEET A CONSENSUS ON ANY GIVEN CASE, THEN ANOTHER COMMISSIONER REVIEW WORKING GROUP WILL ALSO REVIEW OR UNTIL, UNTIL A CONSENSUS IS MET BASED ON THE MAJORITY. NOW, THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA BE PUT FORWARD. IT MEANS YOU'VE AGREED, FOUR OR FIVE OF YOU HAVE AGREED YOU'VE DRAFTED A RECOMMENDATION. IF THAT ONE OR TWO DISAGREE, HAVE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION, BOTH CAN BE PUT FORWARD BECAUSE WE STILL NEED TO VOTE ON IT AS A FULL COMMISSION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WHAT IF WE TAKE AWAY THE NECESSITY FOR IT TO BE VOTED ON AS A FULL COMMISSION SINCE OUR JOB HERE IS TRANSPARENCY WITH THE PUBLIC. AND SO WE CAN SIMPLY TAKE OUR INDIVIDUAL WORKING GROUPS AND PRESENT OUR FINDINGS TO THE PUBLIC. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'D HAVE AGREED ON INSTEAD OF IT BEING THE ENTIRE COMMISSION. MM-HMM . BECAUSE ACCORDING TO OUR STUFF, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 25 CASES OR LESS AS A COMMISSION EVERY MONTH. AND AT THAT RATE, WITH THE WAY WE'RE GOING IT, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE. SO I SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE AWAY THE PART WHERE WE ALL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SEE, OKAY, THESE PEOPLE REVIEWED IT, THIS IS WHAT THEY THINK. AT LEAST THAT'S SOME SORT OF TRANSPARENCY FOR THE PUBLIC. BECAUSE IF WE CONTINUE HOW WE'RE DOING IT, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE US EVER MAKING IT TO THAT POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE 25 CASES. BUT THAT ALSO TAKES AWAY THE PRESSURE FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE COMMISSION SO THAT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S, THAT DECISION IS PUT ON THEM. YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? YES. YEAH. AND, AND, UH, INTERESTING, UH, COMMISSIONER PENA IS THAT, UH, YOUR SUGGESTION WAS ONE THAT I ALSO, UM, CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION, BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN PERSUADED THAT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS LET'S, LET'S, [01:35:01] BEFORE WE START EDITING, LET'S TRY TO GET SOME MORE OF THESE UNDER HER BELT AND JUST GET MORE, MORE REVIEWED BECAUSE, UM, UM, AND YOU CAN HAVE STATED BETTER, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE LEAST THE CASE LOOKED BY A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS THE BEST WE CAN, BUT MAYBE BY, BY, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LOOKED AT IN, WE NOT, WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THE TERMINALS ENOUGH. MAYBE IT'S KIND OF TOO EARLY TO, TO START CHANGING. BUT, UH, BUT I THINK I, I MEAN, I, I VIEW THE SAME WAY I PERSONALLY, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, I LOVE HAVING THE MINORITY REPORT. I LOVE HAVING TO COME INTO SOMETHING TOO. ONE, I LOVE THAT. TO ME, IT'S PART OF BEING, BEING FRANK, BUT THE PRESSURE TO TRY TO COME TO SOME, UH, AGREEMENT. AND MY BAD, I DID NOT READ UNANIMOUS WHEN I READ THAT. WHEN, WHEN WE VOTED. I JUST THOUGHT CONSENSUS. I DIDN'T THINK THAT MEANT UNANIMOUS. AND I WAS CORRECT. I WAS CORRECTED, UH, LATER, BUT I DON'T THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE IN, IN OUR, IN OUR TEAM THAT KIND OF LOOKED AT IT THAT WAY. SO MY, MY SUGGESTION WAS, I SAID, THE REST OF YOU, WE HAVEN'T EVEN DONE. HOW MANY OF US HAVE LOOKED AT THREE, REVIEWED? THREE OF THEM. SO MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE TO START CHANGING, BUT WE SHOULD NOT NOTE IN THAT. AND I SAID, I, I FALL STRONGLY ON YOUR SIDE, BUT I WANT DO MORE REVIEWS. MORE REVIEWS GETTING DONE. I HAVE A CONVERSE THOUGHT PROCESS. THE STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE. HOW MANY OF US HAVE REVIEWED THREE? NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT POINTS TO THE WHOLE PROBLEM. SO IF WE'RE WAITING TILL WE FINALLY SAY, YAY, WE ALL REVIEWED THREE, IT'S ALREADY BEEN, YOU SAID THIS WAS PASSED IN JUNE, JULY, WE'RE GONNA WAIT SIX MORE MONTHS TO GET TO THREE. I I DON'T THINK THIS IS, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT ALL DAY TO RECOGNIZE SUNSHINE. I DON'T THINK THIS CURRENT SYSTEM IS WORKING AS WE THOUGHT IT WOULD. AND THAT'S ALMOST LIKE PILOTING, RIGHT? UM, WE DID THE PILOT AND IT'S NOT WORKING. UM, AND IF WE CAN'T GET THREE COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW AKS IN SIX MONTHS WAITING SIX MORE MONTHS, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE MORE COMMISSIONERS REVIEW THE CASE. UM, I THINK A BETTER WAY, UM, IS TO DEVELOP MORE PRIORITIZED WORKING GROUPS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE INTENTIONAL TO REVIEW CASES. BECAUSE OKAY, WHAT IF WE REVIEW CASES AND WE DO PUT IT OUT AND WE HAVE AN ADVERSARIAL. SO AS A TWO TO ONE VOTE, THAT'S GREAT. WE PUT THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. BUT THEN WHAT? BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT TIMELY AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS IN A DUE TIME, JUST LIKE A PO HAS A SUSPENSE AND EVERYONE ELSE, THEN DID WE REALLY DO ANYTHING? IT'S ALMOST LIKE GOING TO A DENTIST AND SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE A CAVITY, BUT HE DOESN'T FIX IT. SO IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY DO THE FOLLOW ON AND THE DUE DILIGENCE AND ACTUALLY SAY, HEY, THESE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL PRESENT 'EM TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WE NEVER EVEN SEND THEM TO THE POLICE CHIEF BECAUSE THE CASE IS EITHER CLOSED OR WE HAVEN'T GONE TAKEN THAT NEXT STEP, THEN WE'RE ALWAYS JUST GONNA BE PRACTICING. AND SO I THINK A MORE INTENTIONAL WAY IS TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO WILL PARTICIPATE AND CREATE ALMOST LIKE A TIER. SO THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOTIVATED OR THAT WILL, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE BARRIERS AND YOU HAVE FACILITATORS. I THINK WE NEED TO ACTION AND ACTION PUT INTO ACTION THE FACILITATORS SO THAT IT'S NOT A BARRIER TO DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE ALL HAVE GOOD IDEAS. WE ALL WANT TO DO THIS. EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF BANDWIDTH OR COMMITMENT OR, UH, ABILITY TO DO IT. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANYONE GOOD OR BAD. IT JUST IS WHAT LIFE IS. AND SO TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT, WE SHOULD DESIGN A WAY WHERE PEOPLE WHO CAN TRIAGE AND PRIORITIZE THE CASES, ALMOST LIKE FORMALIZING WHAT THE GROUP STRUCTURE IS. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SELECTED INTERNALLY. UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT OR ANYTHING. IT JUST NEEDS TO CHANGE SO THAT THE THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE, WHO HAVE, LIKE, IF THE SITS OF US, IF WE HAVE INTEREST IN REVIEWING THOSE CASES AS A PRIORITY GROUP, WE GET THE PRIORITY CASES AND THEN THE CASES THAT AREN'T AS HIGH VISIBILITY OR HAVE MUCH MORE TIME BEFORE THEY'RE CLOSED OUT, UM, OR WHATEVER, THEN THE OTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE LIES, PEOPLE HAVE COMMITMENTS. UM, WE'RE DOING THIS FOR $0, I GET IT. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA BE INTENTIONAL AND DELIVER TO THE PUBLIC, WE SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT AND ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT WHILE EVERYONE ELSE HAS MORE TIME TO, UM, MEET. AND THEN THE WHOLE OTHER THING IS, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE IT WRONG THAT WE HAVE TO [01:40:01] MEET AS A, OUR WORKING GROUP TO REVIEW THE CASE SIMULTANEOUSLY. THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THE CASES. WE ALL CAN DO OUR OWN INDEPENDENT REVIEW AND THEN BRING THAT TO THE MEETING AND SAY, HEY, I'VE REVIEWED IT. YOU'VE REVIEWED, OKAY, I VOTE. AND THAT'S IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A LONG DRAWN OUT MEETING WHERE WE'RE WALKING THROUGH THE CASE AS A, AS A GROUP. EVERYONE CAN REVIEW THE CASE INDEPENDENTLY AND THEN BRING THEIR VIEW INTO THAT MEETING. AND THE MEETING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LONG AND DRAWN OUT. AND MAYBE THAT ALSO WILL MAKE THE PROCESS A LOT FASTER, I THINK. UM, AND THAT WAS MY WHOLE REASON FOR WANTING TO HAVE LIKE A WAY TO COMMUNICATE INTERNALLY AS OPPOSED TO JUST MEETING HERE ONCE A MONTH IS TO EXPEDITE THINGS. BECAUSE I CAN DO MY REVIEW. I CAN SEND LAURA A TEST AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT THIS. UM, I WANTED TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK. AND THEN WE HAVE THE ACTUAL MEETING FOR ABOUT FIVE, 10 MINUTES AND SAY, HEY, UM, WHETHER IT'S A CONSENSUS OR, UM, A MAJORITY OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND THEN WE SAY, OKAY, WE CAN PRINT, WE CAN PRESENT THIS OUT AND THEN WE DRAFT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS SINCE THE CASE IS STILL OPEN AND GET IT TO THE CHIEF. IF NOT, WE'RE JUST PRACTICING FOR A GAME THAT WE'RE NEVER GONNA PLAY. THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY OBSERVATION. CAN I SAY A FEW WORDS PLEASE? YEAH. FIRST, I, I, I, IN MY OPINION, I THINK YOU HAVE MADE A, IN JUST ASSESSMENT OF THE PRESENT STATE OF THE REVIEW SYSTEM, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. FIRST, UH, EVERY, FOR THE, EVERY SINGLE CASE THAT WAS ASKED TO REVIEW HAS BEEN RELEASED, REVIEWED BY ONE COMMISSIONER. SO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME REVIEWING WHAT HAS PRESENTED SOME PROBLEM IS GETTING A FULL THREE AGREEMENT AND SO FORTH AND RIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT MOTIVATED COMMISSIONER PENA THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE IF ONLY TWO, WHATEVER, RIGHT? WHAT, SO ALSO IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY THAT ALL OF THE SIX MONTHS DELAY LIES ON THE COMMISSIONER. WE'VE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE DATABASE. WE HAVE SOME REALLY PHYSICAL PROBLEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DATA'S NOT THERE AND SO FORTH. SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN A, IT'S A, IT IS BEEN A STRUGGLE TO GET THERE. I FELT THAT AS WE'RE GETTING CLOSER, THE LATEST ONE I THINK IS AS THE DATABASE GETS TOO BIG, MAYBE THERE'S SOME DIFFICULTY LOADING. WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT THE, THE CALL HERE IS THE, LET'S NOT GIVE UP ON REVIEWING YET. NOBODY THINKS IT'S GONNA TAKE SIX MORE MONTHS. IT'S LIKE WE JUST, WE JUST GOT STARTED. AND FOR SOME OF US WHO ARE, ARE ACTIVELY REVIEWING OUR FEEDBACK TO YOU IS THAT GIVE IT SOME, GIVE IT A CHANCE. LET'S, LET'S TRY TO DO SOME MORE. AND I, YOU KNOW, WORK ON GETTING THOSE GROUPS TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ASSESSMENT. YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT. I, UM, IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I WAS A, A LITTLE SKEPTICAL OF THIS, UH, GROUP REVIEW SYSTEM WE HAVE GOING ON, BUT, UH, YEAH, I THINK IT, I'LL SPEAK FOR GROUP BA LITTLE BIT. UH, RUSSELL COULD, UH, OR KATHY RUSSELL CAN COMMENT IF SHE DISAGREES, BUT I FEEL LIKE GROUP B OH, I WANT, YES, I DEFINITELY WANNA COMMENT. YES. YEAH. SO WHEN YOU'RE DONE, I'M NOT SAYING WE, WE, WE HAVE A PERFECT SYSTEM BY ANY MEANS, BUT, UH, AND, AND GROUP B, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT CASES, WE MET UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, WE'VE LOOKED AT THESE CASES, WE GOT A SYSTEM IN PLACE, AND I FEEL LIKE OUR SYSTEM, ALTHOUGH NOT PERFECT, APPEARS TO BE WORKING IN SOME WAY. UM, SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST HAVE TO FIND A, A TIME, UH, OR A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN MEET UP OR, OR, UH, 'CAUSE WE USE TEAMS AND TEAMS SEEMS TO WORK PRETTY WELL. MET UP FOR ABOUT AN HOUR. WE DISCUSSED THE CASE, WE CAME TO SOME SORT OF CONCLUSION. YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. AND YEAH, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT WORKED PRETTY WELL FOR US. KATHY, YOU COMMENT? YES, I WANTED TO AGREE WITH THAT. UM, I, I WANT, UM, I'M IN GROUP B AND UM, I FEEL LIKE YES, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF SOME SPUTTERS GETTING STARTED, BUT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH GROUP B SPECIFICALLY, UM, THAT WE ARE POISED NOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S PRODUCTIVE, THE CURRENT SYSTEM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IMPLEMENTING IT. AND IF, IF YOU NEED RESULTS SOONER, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, I SEE THE EMAIL THAT CAME OUT ABOUT THE, UH, THE MOST RECENT CASES TO REVIEW. I SEE THERE'S A DEADLINE THERE. I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT MAYBE WE MIGHT ACTUALLY GET SOME INPUT BEFORE THE CASE IS DECIDED. UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, THAT I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. MAYBE WE NEED TO, MAYBE WE NEED TO MOVE AROUND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE GROUPS. I, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT ARE ON GROUP A, B, AND CI DON'T KNOW. BUT, UM, I AGREE, UH, I THINK, [01:45:01] UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING, I MEAN, I THINK THE CURRENT SYSTEM IN PLACE, AT LEAST IN GROUP B, I THINK WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THE RHYTHM. LET ME ADD ONE MORE THING, JUST LIKE TALK ABOUT DATA. UM, THERE WAS A GROUP C OF WHICH I FORMED PART OF A GROUP C, AND THERE'S THE TWO OTHER COMMISSIONERS WERE WERE NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT NEVER GOT TO JOIN GROUP C. ALL THOSE CASES WERE REVIEWED BY ONE COMMISSIONER. AND, AND, AND THERE'S A SUMMARY OF ALL OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LACK OF, THERE'S, THAT'S AN UNCONTROLLABLE THING, RIGHT? PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE THAT. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN 19, AT LEAST 19 COMMISSIONERS ASSIGNED TO THE CPRC IN THE LAST, SINCE THIS STARTED, AND ONLY SIX OF US ARE HERE THAT REMAIN FROM THE, FROM THE ORIGINAL GROUP. SO, YOU KNOW, IT, THERE'S A TURNOUT THERE TOO THAT YOU, IT'S HARD TO GO ON A GROUP, A GROUP. I MEAN, I TAKE IT PERSONAL TO, UH, TO TAKE BLAME FOR SOMETHING WHERE THAT SOMEONE OUT OF YOUR CONTROL AND COMMISSIONERS THAT WE TRY TO JOIN AND TRY TO GET THEIR THING DIDN'T JOIN. NOW WE HAVE TWO MORE NEW COMMISSIONERS AND ALREADY HAVE TALKED TO, UM, TO THE TWO OF THEM AND TRY TO TO, TO GET THEM UP TO SPEED. AND THAT ONE PART OF THE REASON WHY GROUP C WAS GRADES AND THE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS, IT WAS HOPEFULLY SOMEWHAT WITH SOME EXPERIENCE IN REVIEW COULD HELP BRING THEM UP TO SPEED SO THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THIS, UH, NEXT UPDATE TO WHERE THE FEEDBACK ON THE GROUP, THE GROUP WORK IS, I APPRECIATE ALL THAT. AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT, UM, BLAMING US STRICTLY, BUT I CAN HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE IN A WAY WHERE I'M SAYING, LIKE KATHY SAID THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD RECONFIGURE WHO MAKES UP THE GROUP. WE DON'T HAVE TO STOP DOING THE SYSTEM. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL. I'M SAYING HOW WE'RE EXECUTING IT AND WHO'S IN THAT, IN THAT GROUP. LIKE YOU SAID, YOUR GROUP WAS LESS EXPERIENCED PEOPLE AND THEN WE HAD HIGH TURNOVER, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME STABLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE, WHO ARE CAPABLE IN REVIEWING CASES AND MAYBE THOSE PRIORITY CASES THAT JUST CAME OUT CAN BE SENT TO THEM OR CREATE A TEAM THAT HANDLES PRIORITY CASES. I KNOW YOU WERE LOOKING FOR EQUITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT THERE. SO I'M JUST SAYING CHANGING THE WAY WE DO THINGS, NOT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, JUST WHO'S DOING WHAT REVIEWS WHEN, BECAUSE IF WE SPEND ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TRYING TO FIGURE EVERYTHING OUT, WE JUST LOST SIX MONTHS AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY PERCENTAGE OF CASES WILL BE CLOSED OUT BY THEN. SO WE CAN DO TWO THINGS AT ONE TIME. WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING ON A BETTER SYSTEM WHILE ALSO ADDRESSING URGENT CONCERNS. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE HIGH PRIORITY PRIORITY CASES GET CLOSED OUT SOMETIMES IN TWO WEEKS, SOMETIMES IN, UH, FOUR TO SIX WEEKS. AND SO IF WE CAN GET EYES ON THAT AND HAVE A MORE INTENTIONAL RESPONSE AND FEEDBACK, AND IT'S SIMPLE AS, HEY, WE JUST CAME TO A MAJORITY CONCLUSION, WE SEND THAT TO THE CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR. UM, AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO TYPE UP A RES RESOLUTION OR A RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I MEANT, RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE THE CASE MAY BE CLOSED OUT IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE DAYS. THAT'S MORE, NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING DELIBERATELY AS OPPOSED TO LET'S JUST KEEP REVIEWING THE CASE AND GET OUR SYSTEM DOWN. WE CAN DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE CAN ALSO ADJUDICATE CASES AND ADDRESS REALLY PRESSING ISSUES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS TO BE A BINARY CHOICE. DO YOU WANNA RECOGNIZE THE, OUR COMMISSIONER THAT'S POPPED UP FIRST? YES. UH, WELCOME COMMISSIONER CELESTE WILLIAMS. CAN YOU HEAR US CLEARLY? HELLO? I FINALLY MADE IT ON HERE. OKAY. I'VE BEEN LISTENING THE WHOLE TIME. I JUST HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LOG ON. YEAH. OKAY. OH, I TALKED, WHAT WAS I GONNA SAY? OH, UM, I, I DO WANNA SAY MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING, 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WORK ON DEADLINES. THEY WORK WHEN THINGS ARE SET IN STONE. SO WHAT IF WE MAKE A PERMANENT AGENDA ITEM FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THEIR CASE FOR THE CASE TO BE PRESENTED STARTING NOW, AND THERE'S THREE CASES, UH, WORKING GROUPS, THERE'S A, B, AND C. SO THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT ALL THREE OF THEM ARE GOING TO PRESENT, BUT LET'S SET THAT EXPECTATION THAT AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING WE WILL BE PRESENTING. AND I THINK THAT SENSE OF URGENCY IS GOING TO ENCOURAGE THE REST OF THE GROUP TO GET INVOLVED AND ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THINGS DONE. AND I KNOW FOR ME, BEING LIKE A NEWER COMMISSIONER, IT HAS BEEN KIND OF, UH, A, A, A SLOW START TO GET THIS GOING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THAT PEOPLE CAN LOSE THEIR ENTHUSIASM OF WANTING TO BE INVOLVED IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THINGS. SO I SUGGEST IF WE PUT A PERMANENT, UM, AGENDA ITEM TO PRESENT OUR CASES AT EVERY MEETING, BEGINNING THE NEXT MEETING, [01:50:02] YEAH. NO. OH, MY COMMENT TO THAT WOULD BE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ACTUALLY THE INTENTION LAST, LAST. YES, I SEE IT ON THERE. LA YEAH, LAST TIME, THAT'S HOW WE DID. AND THE, THE ONLY REASON IT WASN'T THIS TIME BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY, WE HAD NO RIGHT. NOBODY'S DOING ANY WORK. AND SO THAT'S NO, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THE ASSIGNMENT, RIGHT, THE ASSIGNMENT OF NEW CASES WAS NOT DONE, WAS NOT DONE IN TIME TO GIVE PEOPLE, UH, THE, THE WEEK OR SO WOULD TAKE TO, TO DO REMEMBER THESE TAKES THESE TAKE A LITTLE, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST NEW CASES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. PEOPLE AREN'T PRESENTING FOR OLD CASES BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET THEIR SYSTEMS DOWN OR WHATEVER. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A TEAM THAT ALREADY HAS A SYSTEM DOWN WHERE WE CAN GIVE A QUICK TURNAROUND AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. OR WE'RE JUST A CASE REVIEW COMMISSION THAT CAN'T GIVE ANY FEEDBACK. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S NOT BINARY. WE CAN UNDER, UM, IMPROVE OUR PATTERNS AND OUR BEHAVIORS UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT WHILE ALSO FLYING THE PLANE IS WHAT I'M SAYING. WE CAN'T JUST WAIT AND LET THE PURSUIT OF THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING INTENTIONALLY AND GIVE REPORTS OUT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WHILE ALSO CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVING THE SYSTEM SO THAT EVERYONE GETS ON THE SAME, BUT EVERYONE DOESN'T MOVE AT THE SAME PACE, RIGHT? EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME BANDWIDTH. BUT FOR THOSE THAT DO, WE SHOULD MAKE THEM INTO A PRIORITY TEAM. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AS SOMEBODY WHO IS ACTUALLY REVIEWING THESE CASES AND SPENDING THE TIME TO DO THEM, I, I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT IT, IT'S, IT TAKES CONSIDER OF TIME AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO FIGURE THIS OUT. AND YOU CAN, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE HAVING THE COMMISSIONERS GO THROUGH THE CASES, A COUPLE OF CASE LINK AND PICK UP AND UNDERSTAND HOW TO REVIEW THE THING, HOW TO SPEED TO THEM, HOW TO MAYBE INCREASE THE SPEED OF THE TIME. IT TAKES A WHILE, AND I'M SHARING MY EXPERIENCES THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE BEST PROCESS IS TO PLEASE GIVE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND THE WORKING GROUP A CHANCE TO DO AS MUCH REVIEW IN THE NEXT CYCLE BEFORE WE START, UH, UM, TRYING TO DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE. THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, WHERE MY, MY VIEW AND, AND I WILL ASK, I THINK IN JULY OF 2025, WE DID SPEAK INTO THE MEETINGS THAT WE WERE GOING TO ROTATE THE, THE MEMBERS TO AVOID. UH, WE WERE VERY HOPEFUL EARLY ON THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH SO MANY CASES. WE, WE WANTED TO AVOID BURNOUT. UH, SO I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LITTLE PAST THAT THREE TO SIX MONTH RANGE WHERE WE ACTUALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO REARRANGING THE STRUCTURE. NOW THAT WE DO HAVE FUNCTIONING WORKING GROUPS, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE. UH, SO MAYBE, MAYBE IT IS JUST ABOUT A RESTRUCTURE AND NOT NECESSARILY PRIORITIZING A WORKING GROUP FOR PRIORITY CASES, BUT AT LEAST ONE THAT WE KNOW CAN MEET THE DEADLINES BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED, YOU REVIEW CASES. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET US TO THE RECOMMENDATION STAGE. SO THAT WAS SPOKEN INTO THE, TO THE MINUTES IN JULY, 2025. AND I JUST HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO ARE WE SAYING GOING FORWARD, THAT THERE WILL BE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT SAYS THE PRESENTATION OF CASE OF CASES? BECAUSE LIKE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS REVIEW WORKING GROUP A, B, AND C'S PROGRESS. SO WE SHOULD REWORD THAT TO ENSURE THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING IT. RIGHT? IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS GIVEN FOR THE NEXT, THE NEXT REVIEW, THE NEXT SET OF REVIEWS, THEY'RE DONE IN TIME. SO THEY LEAVES A WEEK. SO WE CAN TELL, UH, THE, THE, THE STAFF LIAISON ON THE AGENDA, THESE FIVE, SIX CASES ARE GONNA BE UP FOR REVIEW FOR THAT. SO THE INTENTION IS EXACTLY FOLLOW THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S NO CASES IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S NO, IT WAS NO POINT TO PUT IT IN THERE. BUT THE, THE IDEA IS THAT EVERY TIME WE MEET, WE SHOULD BE REVIEWING CASES. YEAH. AND SO LIKE IN, IN APRIL MEETING IS COMING, THESE, THESE ONES THAT WE, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT WE JUST SENT OUT THIS WEEK ARE GONNA BE UP FOR REVIEW. HOPEFULLY WE, WE CAN GET SOME MORE. BUT THAT'S WHAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE, IT'S SET UP SO THAT IT MATCHES THAT THERE'S ENOUGH. YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD TIME TO MEET AS A GROUP, THE WORKING GROUP HAVE TIME TO MEET, DEBATE AND SO FORTH BEFORE, BEFORE THE MEETING. SO YEAH. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. YEAH. UH, HOW ARE THE CASES ASSIGNED TO THIS COMMISSION? DO WE GET ALL THE CASES THAT RECEIVE COMPLAINTS OR DO, OR IS THERE A SELECTION PROCESS FROM CITY STAFF? YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT PRIOR, THE TRI AGENT AND SO FORTH? YEAH. ALL CASES ARE SENT TO US, UM, AS SOON AS THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT OR ALSO POLICE OFFICER RECEIVE THEM. AND THEN LAURA AND I, WHEN WE HAVE A ABUNDANCE OF CASES, WE'LL TRIAGE THEM, UM, ON IMPORTANCE, AND THEN CARLOS WILL DISSEMINATE THEM AMONGST THE WORKING GROUP. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON. UM, AND SO IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? UH, DO YOU SEND ALL [01:55:01] OF THE CASES OUT OR DO YOU YES. WE DON'T HOLD ANYTHING BACK. ALL WE DO IS TRIAGE, SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE KEY THINGS WITHIN THESE CASES, AND THEN WE SEND IT RIGHT OUT. UM, AND THAT'S JUST SO THAT THERE'S A LITTLE HOMEWORK DONE, BUT THEN YOU GUYS DO THE ACTUAL WORK FOR HIGH PRIORITY CASES. UM, I THINK WE JUST SEND IT STRAIGHT THROUGH. UM, AND CARLOS OR LAURA, UH, DELEGATES TO WHO IT GOES TO. JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION. RIGHT NOW, THE CHAIR IS IN A CRITICAL PATH OF DISTRIBUTING, MAKING ASSIGNMENTS IN WHO, UH, WHAT CASES GO TO GROUP A, WHAT CASE GO TO GROUP B, WHAT CASE GO TO C RIGHT NOW, THE PRESENT ALGORITHM IS VERY COMPLICATED. IT'S RON, ROBIN, A CASE COME IN A, B, C, A, B, C, A, B, C. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE SYSTEM IS RIGHT NOW. AND, AND SO THE I, WHEN YOU, IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL SAYING YOU'RE IN GROUP C MM-HMM . AND YOU HAVE THESE TWO CASES OR WHATEVER, IT'S BECAUSE, AND SINCE YOU ARE IN GROUP C WITH ME, AS I TOLD YOU, I, AS I TOLD YOU WHEN WE FIRST MET, WE ARE GONNA GET TOGETHER AND I'LL KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH HOW TO GET THE STUFF, UH, GET IN THE SYSTEM, OF COURSE, PENDING HER IN THE COMPUTER AND ACCESS TO THE, THE FILE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CRITICAL PATHS, UH, THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND THIS JUST SPEAKS TO THE AMOUNT OF CASES THAT WE HAVE WHERE WE THOUGHT, IN THEORY, THIS IS GONNA WORK SMOOTH PROCESS. AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, IT'S A LOT OF CASES. THERE'S A LOT OF PRIORITY CASES. NOT EVERY CASE GETS AUTOMATICALLY UPDATED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CRITICAL CASES AS IDENTIFIED BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS. SO THEN WE'D HAVE TO REQUEST THOSE CASES, AND IT TAKES A COUPLE OF DAYS, WORKING DAYS FOR A PO TO UPDATE. SO IT'S A VERY, VERY LONG TIMELINE THAT GIVES US JUST A TINY, TINY LITTLE TIMELINE TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LEARNING RIGHT NOW. THIS IS WHERE THE NEW COMMISSIONS ARE COMING IN. WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO SET UP THAT FOUNDATION, THAT PROCESS. WE RUN INTO A TINY, ANOTHER LITTLE BARRIER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH. UH, BUT ON THE FOLLOWING SHEETS, ON THE PACKETS THAT YOU RECEIVE IS THE WORKING GROUP. THE FIRST CASE WOULD BE WORKING GROUP IS MADE UP OF COMMISSIONER FLOOD AND MYSELF, WHERE WE ARE TRIAGING THE CASES, RIGHT? BUT AS YOU'RE SEEING IN THE CONVERSATIONS AND THE DISCUSSION AGENDA ITEMS, THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, FLOOD, AS WE LEADING THESE CONVERSATIONS, WE ARE NOT THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? IT'S NOT REASONABLE FOR US TO BE IN, IN EVERY SINGLE GROUP AND REVIEW CASES. SO WE NEED TO, UM, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD HERE? YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE WORK IS SPREAD AROUND AS WE'RE GETTING NEW COMMISSIONERS. AND AGAIN, WE'RE HAD A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS FALL OFF JOIN. SO I HOPE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST EXCITED TO BE HERE AS THE REST OF US AND GETTING SOME THROUGH THESE CASES. THE SECOND PAGE THAT YOU SEE IS THE ACTUAL WORKING GROUP, THE COMMISSION REVIEW WORKING GROUP, WHERE IT SAYS AT LEAST YOU HAVE TO SERVE IN AT LEAST ONE COMMISSION WILL BE WORKING GROUP WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE COMMISSIONERS. AGAIN, IF YOU DO NOT MEET A CONSENSUS, THEN THE ON A RECOMMENDED COURSE OF ACTION AFTER REVIEWING A CASE, THEN THE CASE WILL ALSO BE REVIEWED BY THE REMAINING GROUP UNTIL THAT CONSENSUS IS REACHED. SO AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THE WORK THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT IS VOTED ON, WE CAN HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? AND I THINK PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS IT MIGHT BE IN DUE TIME AS WE SPOKE IN THE JULY, 2025 MEETING TO REARRANGE THOSE WORKING GROUPS, NOT NECESSARILY FOR PRIORITY CASES, BUT TO, TO GIVE THE SYSTEM A CHANCE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE WE ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT, WE HAVEN'T GIVEN IT A CHANCE TO PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP, THE NEXT WORKING GROUP, WE, WE WERE KIND OF, WE WE'RE STUCK THERE. SO I THINK GIVING IT A CHANCE WILL ALLOW US TO REALLY FIGURE OUT, AND THE QUICKER WE GET THROUGH THIS, THE QUICKER WE CAN COME UP WITH A, A NEW FLOW, A NEW SYSTEM. ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO PROPOSE SOMETHING ADDED TO THE AGENDA, PRESENT A NEW WORKFLOW. AND IF YOU WANNA LEAD THAT CHANGE AND ENHANCE THE SYSTEM, WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FLOOR IS OPEN TO ANY CHANGES. AND ONE LAST THING I'LL SAY IN, IN OUR DEFENSE IS THAT IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME AT FIRST TOO, THAT WE, NO, I KNOW THAT THE TRIAGE HAS, HAS BEEN DONE AND FROM FRANCO AND FLOOD, BUT I DID NOT SEE ANY VALUE IN ASSIGN IN 15 CASES TO EACH GROUP OR WHATEVER. MIGHT AS WELL JUST START WITH TWO OR THREE AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE. AND THAT'S WHY ONLY, ONLY ALL YOU SEE RIGHT NOW IS TWO OR THREE CASES BEING ASSIGNED TO YOU WITH IDEAS THAT LET'S GO THROUGH THOSE AND YOU CAN FOCUS ON THOSE TO GET THROUGH. UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, SO I, I DID SEE, I HAD NOT, I DON'T PARTICIPATE IN, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE, IN THE, UH, THE GROUP THAT RUSSELL HARRIS AND EUGENE ARE IN, BUT I'M TALKING TO ONE OF 'EM. I KNOW THESE, THEY WERE, THOSE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALMOST WORKING. THERE'S, THEY'RE GETTING STUFF DOING. IT WAS EXCITING. BE BUILD AN ISLAND AND WE JUST STAY ON OUR ISLAND. . YEAH. AND THEN I WAS GONNA ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER PENA, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE, THE, THE DYSFUNCTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD WAS THE TWO OF YOU HAD WORKED AND GOT A RADIO, BUT YOU HAD SOME ISSUE WITH A THIRD, WITH A THIRD COMMISSIONER PROBABLY. AND MY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM HIM WAS THAT HE DID NOT, MAYBE IT WAS A CASE OF USE, OF VI USE OF FORCE, AND HE THOUGHT THAT WE WANTED A BRIEFING FROM A PO OR A [02:00:01] PD ON THAT CASE TO SEE WHAT WERE THEIR CRITERIA AND RULING. AND THEN TO ME, THAT'S NOT, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW THIS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT LIKE AS DYSFUNCTION AS JUST, UH, ANOTHER COMPLICATION THAT COULD HAPPEN IN A CASE WHERE TWO PEOPLE AGREE. ONE THING I, I WANT A BRIEF, AND IT WAS, HOW DO WE WORK OUT THAT LOGISTIC? AND I WASN'T SURE HOW TO GO ABOUT HAVING THAT HAPPEN IN A EXPEDITED WAY, YOU KNOW, HOW TO, HOW TO GET THAT DONE. SO IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COMM, THE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S A VERY, UM, IT'S A VERY HOT CASE WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF MEDIA FALLBACK ON. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER THAT MAY NOT, MAY NOT BE PROJECTED INSIDE OF THE FILES ITSELF. AND TO HEAR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I ACTUALLY, I TOOK THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY POLICE ACADEMY, AND SO THERE WAS A TYPE OF TRAINING THAT WE DID, A SIMULATION THAT THE OFFICERS ALSO ENGAGE IN. AND MY QUESTION WAS SPECIFIC TO THE FACT I WANTED TO KNOW IF THIS OFFICER HAD TAKEN THAT SIMULATION TRAINING AND COULD THAT HAVE AFFECTED HIS DECISION THAT HE MADE AT THE TIME BEFORE WE SAY THAT THIS PERSON'S ACTIONS WERE CRIMINAL OR NEGLIGENT. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS TYPE OF TRAINING COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THIS SITUATION? 'CAUSE IT COULD HAVE PUT THAT IN HIS HEAD, WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THAT SITUATION? AND SO, LIKE I SAID, THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY A DISAGREEMENT, BUT THERE, JUST FROM THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I HAVE, I'M THINKING AS, AS BIG AS THIS CASE IS, WE NEED TO TO KNOW. AND THERE, AND THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER THINGS. UM, BUT ALSO AS FAR AS MY WORKING GROUP, THERE'S STILL ONE PERSON THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR EMAIL AND STUFF, SO, OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO, AND SO FOR ME, UM, IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE WORK THIS OUT IS THERE'S STILL, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HICCUP. IF WE, IF, IF THE GROUP WANTS TO HAVE A BRIEFING, THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I GET, I MEAN, I KNOW A PO IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, DON'T TAKE MUCH TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ARRANGE SOMETHING, BUT A PD IS A, IS A DIFFERENT THING. AND SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE LOGISTICS OF THE, OF THE SYSTEM THAT I DON'T KNOW, WE ANTICIPATED THAT WE KNOW PEOPLE WOULD BE ASKING FOR BRIEFING THAT COULD DELAY THESE PRESENTATIONS AND THOSE, THAT IS PART OF WHY I LIKE HAVING A CHANCE TO MUSCLE CHOOSE SOME OF THESE AND FIND OUT HOW MANY OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GONNA COME UP. MY QUESTION IS, UM, AND IT'S PROBABLY TO MR. MASTERS OR, UM, YEAH. IS DO WE NECESSARILY NEED A BRIEFING OR CAN WE JUST SEND THAT AS A QUESTION? UM, SO DID THIS OFFICER HAVE THIS TRAINING? I THINK THAT'S A LOT EASIER TO ANSWER THAN TO SET UP A FORMAL BRIEFING AND THEN YOU COME BACK WITH, YES, OFFICER HAD THIS TRAINING ON THIS DATE, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. IS THAT POSSIBLE? YES, YOU CAN SUBMIT DIRECT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TO US, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, WE CAN SUBMIT IT DIRECTLY TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND IT, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT CAN GET TURNED AROUND IN A MATTER OF HOURS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. YEAH. AND I LOVE THAT BECAUSE WE WE'RE THINKING OF THIS PROBLEM, WHY WE WERE LIKE, OH, I CAN JUST DO THAT. LIKE, PERFECT. YEAH. I, I LOVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. UM, I THINK WE WERE, AND SO THEN MY QUESTION IS, UM, FOR CARLOS, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU SAID YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN REALLY HARD, UM, AND TOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND EVERYTHING. ARE YOU CODIFYING THIS? ARE YOU DOCUMENTING THE PROGRESS? SO WHEN NEW COMMISSIONERS DO COME ON, THEY DON'T HAVE TO STRUGGLE TOO. AND THEY CAN SAY, THIS IS THE STEP ACTION DRILLS. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO TO BE ABLE TO ADJUDICATE THESE CASES IN A EXPEDITIOUS MANNER. AND SO THAT IT JUST DOESN'T STAY WITH YOU AND YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WELL. BUT THEN YOU CAN SHARE THAT OUT WITH THE ENTIRE COMMISSION SO THEY CAN ADOPT WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO ADOPT OR NOT. BUT AT LEAST SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED THOSE PAIN POINTS, THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, CAN I ASK YOU THAT, GO AHEAD BEFORE I FORGET, YOU WILL HAVE A GREATER CHANCE TO TEST THAT BECAUSE COMMISSIONER CELESTA WILLIAMS AND MARISSA JOHNSON ARE IN GROUP C WITH ME. AND IT'S SPECIFIC SPECI PRECISELY WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO. AND SO YOU GET A CHANCE TO, TO TEST THAT AND SEE HOW, OKAY. AND THEN EVEN, UM, LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ALSO DISCUSS WHAT THEIR LESSONS LEARNED ARE AND WHAT'S WORKING WELL FOR THEM SO THAT WE CAN GET BETTER FASTER. BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME NOW, AND I'M TIRED OF HEARING THAT WE'RE NEW. WE'RE HOW, WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET OLD, I MEAN YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE, YEAR FOUR, OR WE JUST GOT THIS DOWN OR WHATEVER. NO, UM, THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP THE COMMUNITY AS LARGE. MAYBE THAT IS TRUE AND MAYBE WE'RE NOT THE POINTS OF FAILURE, BUT NOBODY KNOWS THAT. AND SO WE STILL HAVE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WHERE WE CAN. AND IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IN THE PRESENT AGENDA AND IN THE LAST TWO, THREE, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER, REVIEW, PLEASE, PROGRESS, EXPERIENCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN ASKING THAT SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING. YEAH. BUT I'M SAYING, I'VE BEEN TRYING [02:05:01] TO DO THAT SAYING JUST, NOT JUST CAPTURE IT AUDIBLY, BUT CAPTURE IT DOCUMENTED SO THAT WE HAVE LIKE A, EVEN A GOOGLE GOOGLE DOC THAT WE CAN SHARE WHERE WE CAN SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE STRUGGLES, THESE ARE THE PAIN POINTS WHEN YOU LOG INTO HERE. SOMETIMES THIS PAGE DOESN'T LOOK YEAH. HOW TO, YOU KNOW, HOW TO TROUBLESHOOT, HOW TO DO ALL THESE THINGS SO THAT WE ALL HAVE ALMOST A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. DO, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE, THAT THAT'S AN EXCLUSIVE OBLIGATION OF THE CHAIR TO DOCUMENT THAT? I DIDN'T MAKE IT. I SAID, DO WE HAVE THAT WORKFLOW? I'M, I'M ASKING YOU. NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S EXCLUSIVE TO ANYBODY. I'M SAYING WE NEED THAT WORKFLOW. SO I PRESENT THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT. I TAKE MY NOTES. I AM TRYING TO TEST MY WHERE DO YOUR NOTES GO THOUGH? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE I'M JUST TELL YOU, I I JUST TOLD YOU THE LAST, THE ATTEMPT TO BRING UP TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS IN THIS PROCESS, WHICH I UNDERTAKE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERTAKE IS MY ATTEMPT TO TRY TO DO PRECISELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? TO DO THAT. AND, AND I'M BEGGING FOR A CHANCE TO CONTEST WHAT THIS IS, THIS DISCUSSION'S ALL ABOUT GIVE US A CHANCE TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS. I WILL KNOW BETTER. AND YOU KNOW, MISS, I'M GIVING YOU THE CHANCE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, JOHNSON PROBABLY TELL US YOU FAILED. YOU DIDN'T DOCUMENT WELL OR NOT, BUT THAT THE CHANCE IS LET IT MOVE ON AND LETS GET A CHANCE. NO, I'M DOING THAT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S STILL A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE IF YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DOCUMENTING YOUR EXPERIENCE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS BE MORE INCLUSIVE AND LET OTHER PEOPLE GIVE FEEDBACK TOO. THAT'S WHY I SAID CREATE A DOCUMENT SO THAT EVERYONE CAN DOCUMENT THEIR EXPERIENCE AND SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN OVERALL VIEW OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S PERSPECTIVES AND THEIR EXPERIENCES SO THAT WHEN NEW COMMISSIONERS COME ON, AND THEY WILL, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, RIGHT, WE'RE ON LIKE COMMISSIONER NUMBER 19 ALREADY. UM, HAVE THAT DOCUMENT READY FOR THEM AND YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH THEM AND YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH US. BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY STILL BE STRUGGLING. AND THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE THAT DELIBERATE, DELIBERATE DIALOGUE. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THE WORKSPACES OR ANYWHERE ELSE TO COLLABORATE. SO JUST CREATE A DOCUMENT. THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS A WAY TO IMPROVE. I'M NOT JUST TELLING YOU THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE. I'M ACTUALLY GIVING YOU A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE. RIGHT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THE, THE EXTRA WORK FOR ME TO DOCUMENT THAT STUFF, RIGHT? IT SEEMS LIKE A BURDEN WE WERE PUTTING ON EVERY SINGLE OTHER COMMISSION. I IT'S NOT CARLOS WHO NEEDS TO DOCUMENT WHAT CARLOS FIGURES. EVERYBODY ELSE WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING. YES. THE WAY WE DO. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THE WAY WE DO THAT IS WHEN I, I HOPE THAT AS I SUCCESSFULLY OR HAVE NOT HELPED THE OTHER TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS, THEN I HAVE A POINT TO PUT DOWN AND SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT THAT CAME ABOUT, RIGHT? SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I'M NOT ASKING JUST CARLOS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU, THAT'S THE SINGLE OPPONENT OF FAILURE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CARLOS. YOU'RE JUST A COMMISSIONER JUST LIKE US. YOU JUST HAVE THE TITLE OF CHAIRMAN. I'M SAYING THAT EVERYONE NEEDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CAPTURE THEIR LESSONS LEARNED INTO ONE DOCUMENT SO THAT WE CAN ALL GET BETTER. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. SO IF I MIGHT JUMP INTO THAT, UM, THE ISSUE WITH THAT COMES IN THE, UM, OPEN MEETINGS ACT. AND SO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO, AND WHICH I DO SUGGEST US DOING, IS DOING SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY. UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF LIVE THING. AND I KNOW THAT OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE IT WHERE IF WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION, THE PUBLIC'S GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A WONDERFUL IDEA. I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO DO THAT SO THAT ONCOMING COMMISSIONERS CAN EXPERIENCE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED, BUT WE DON'T WANNA WORRY ABOUT VIOLATING THE, THE STUFF THAT WE NEED TO VIOLATE. SO LET'S DO THAT. BUT LET'S COME UP WITH A PUBLIC SYSTEM SO THAT OUR NOTES, WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS PUBLIC SYSTEM FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS. UM, AND SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY HAPPENING. UM, AND SO, AND WHO IS IT FALLING ON? WHERE IT STOPS FROM GETTING DONE AT WHAT, WHAT POSITION OF LEADERSHIP IS HALTING IT? I THINK IT'S, UM, THE WHOLE THING IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO AND WHAT WE CAN'T. BUT I DO SEE THAT NEIL'S HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN? NEIL ? WELL, WE, WE'D LIKE YOU TO CHIME IN, UM, JUST TO GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY LEGAL ISSUES. SO MY, SO LEGALLY WE CAN DO IT. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE COME TOGETHER AND WE DRAFT A RE RESOLUTION TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE THEM APPROVE THE PUBLIC SYSTEM. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. ONCE WE HAVE THEM APPROVE IT, WE GET IT DONE. OKAY. WE CAN COME TOGETHER, DRAFT THAT RESOLUTION, PRESENT IT TO THE COUNCIL. SOUNDS GOOD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR ITEMS ON ITEM SEVEN? WE'LL MOVE ON. THE LAST FINAL ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSSION OF COMMISSIONER REVIEW WORKING A, B, AND C'S PROGRESS, EXPERIENCE AND RECOMMENDATION. SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GO. WE, WE STARTED ON DISCUSSIONS CPRC, [02:10:01] AND WE WERE STILL ON ITEM SEVEN AND WE BLED IN, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCUSS THESE WITHOUT GOING TO, BUT ITEM EIGHT, JUST, AND IF WE CAN, IF WE BELIEVE WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, WE CAN END IT. BUT ITEM EIGHT SAYS, DISCUSSION OF COMMISSIONER'S, REVIEW WORKING GROUPS, A, B, AND C'S PROGRESS, EXPERIENCE AND RECOMMENDATION TEMPLATES. I, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, I'M KIND OF REPEATING MYSELF, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT, UH, GROUP B HAS, UH, WE, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE GOT A PROCESS DOWN. MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN TRY AND DOCUMENT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND OR, OR TRY AND PUT A WORKFLOW IN PLACE AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY IT'S WORKING FOR US. THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. UM, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. ONE, ONE THING THAT WAS NOT CLEAR, MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE, WE, WE HAD MADE AN ATTEMPT TO MAYBE PUT TOGETHER A TEMPLATE THAT COULD SERVE AS A GUIDE FOR ALL GROUPS TO USE YES. TO, TO PUT THOSE, YOU KNOW, I, I, WHEN, I KNOW WHEN, WHEN COMMISSIONER RUSSELL STARTED, I MAYBE GIVE A, AN EXAMPLE OF A TEMPLATE OF WHAT I'D USED, WHICH WAS I MIMICKED APOS, UH, RECOMMENDATION TEMPLATE. AND I USED THAT AS A, AS A, AS A GUIDE TO, TO HOW TO DO THIS FINAL REVIEW. BUT I THINK WE, WE, I THINK, I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER PENA ALSO HAD A, AN EXAMPLE TEMPLATE OF WHAT SHE AND HER GROUP A USED TO DO THAT. AND I KNOW ONE THING THAT WAS THIS COULD MAYBE DISCUSSED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A COMMON TEMPLATE BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE EASY, ALL OF US TO USE THE SAME, THE SAME TEMPLATE. BUT, UH, THAT'S IT. UH, MY QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THAT, UM, SO I KNOW WHENEVER THE WORKING GROUPS COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS, THEY WANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY VOTING ON IT. DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE ACTUALLY SHARING OUR DOCUMENTS WITH ONE ANOTHER? OR IS THIS JUST AN INTERNAL WORKING GROUP DOCUMENT? IF SO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NECESSITY FOR THERE TO BE ONE SINGLE DOCUMENT. UM, UNLESS WE ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING THAT TO THE BODY, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST, UM, GIVING OUR RECOMMENDATION AND EVERYONE'S VOTING ON IT. I THINK PART OF THAT IS THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A DISCUSSION FOR YOUR WORKING GROUP, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANNA PUT EVERYTHING SO FORMAL THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FREEDOM TO WORK IN YOUR WORKING GROUP. SO, YOU KNOW, I, FROM MY UNDERSTOOD WORKING GROUP A DOES THEIR OWN THING MEET ONLINE, WORKING GROUP B MIGHT DO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING. SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IN YOUR WORKING GROUP AND YOU GUYS ALL DECIDE, OR, OR JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE AN INITIATIVE. WE'RE CAN HAVE ONE PAGE WHERE WE WORK ON, YOU CAN DO THAT. IF YOU WANNA SAY, HEY, LET'S EACH ONE OF US SUBMIT ONE OR ONE STATEMENT AND THEN KIND OF TALK ABOUT IT, YOU CAN ALSO DO THAT. PART OF THAT WORKING GROUP PROCESS IS THAT YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM IN YOUR SMALLER WORKING GROUPS. WE NOT BREAK BREAKING TO, TO FACILITATE THE PROCESS IN WHATEVER YOU GROUP, UM, DYNAMIC WORKS BEST FOR. RIGHT? SO THE QUESTION IS, IS AT THAT POINT WHEN WE COME TO A CONSENSUS, DO WE HAVE TO PRESENT THE DOCUMENT TO THE REST OF THE BODY? OR ARE WE JUST SIMPLY SPEAKING ON WHAT WE COME UP WITH TOGETHER? IT, IT DEPENDS. IF YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, THEN YES, YOU WILL PRESENT THAT RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WE VOTE ON IT. IF, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S NOTHING, YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE AGREE, THERE'S NO RECOMMENDATION, WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON IT. YOU CAN LIKE JUST SHARE SUMMARY. WE AGREE. THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THOUGH. YEAH. THEN YOU WOULD SHARE SUMMARY LIKE I WAS SAYING. OKAY. OKAY. MM-HMM . YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. SORRY. YOU'RE GOOD. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, ANY OTHER FEEDBACK? UM, YOU GUYS ARE GROUP B, RIGHT? YEAH, I WE'RE GROUP A. YEAH. I THINK FROM, FROM GROUP A. YOU ARE THE ONLY REPRESENTATIVE HERE TODAY. I KNOW, UH, IS CHURCH TRAVEL. ANY FEEDBACK YOU WANNA GIVE? UH, SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES FOR OUR GROUP GOING ON RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT ONE COMMISSIONER WHO DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO HIS EMAIL AND WE HAVE ANOTHER THAT'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY. UM, I DO PLAN ON TAKING FULL RESPONSIBILITY OF CONTINUING TO REVIEW THE CASES AND, YOU KNOW, PRESENT MY FINDINGS TO THEM AND, AND GET THEIR APPROVAL. SO, AND I WOULD SAY FOR, FOR GROUP C, YOU GUYS ALREADY HEARD ME SAY THAT, THAT THERE WERE THE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO ASSIGNED TO THOSE AND THEY FAILED TO TAKE THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK AND SO FORTH. SO I HAVE, WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE TRY TO BRING UP THE SPEED AND HELP THEM, UH, DO THE, THE, THE PROCESS REVIEW. I HAD MY CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK ALREADY. YEAH, BUT WITH THE CS, WHAT'S MISSING IS THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SERVICE AND A COMPUTER? NO, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME LOGISTICS. WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPUTER SO YOU CAN HAVE A SECURE ACCIDENT. SO ALL THAT STUFF NEEDS TO BE, I TOOK THE ICG TRAINING PERFECT. ALREADY. PERFECT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, YOU WE'RE A COMPUTER SHORT AND ONCE WE CAN GET THAT ARRANGED, YOU'LL BE IN GOOD SHAPE. AND THE SAME THING WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, I WILL GUESS SHE DROPPED OFF. UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, SAME THING. BUT MY INTENTION IS THAT, THAT I WILL, UH, HELP THEM COME UP TO SPEED ON THE, THE REVIEW. SO, AND THEY WILL BE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO ADD OUR REVIEWS TO JASON. I'LL PROBABLY END UP USING MY, MY INITIAL TEMPLATE TO START WITH. UH, LIKE I SAID, I, IT'S NOT MINE. I, I COPIED MR. MASTERS [02:15:01] TEMPLATE THINKING THAT HEY, IF EVERYBODY'S USED TO SEEING THAT, THEN OURS AS SIMILAR AS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, IT PUTS ALL THE CASES AND EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT A GENERAL ORDER, UH, VIOLATION THERE IS AND WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S IT. OKAY. OTHER FEEDBACK FROM WORKING GROUPS? ANY OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS? UM, ARE WE GONNA DO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? YES. OKAY. YES. SO WE'RE THROUGH SEVEN, SO NOW, OKAY, LET'S GET THE LIAISON. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE YOU TYPE IN. SO WE ARE INTO [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ] FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. LAST, THIS LAST UM, MEETING, WE WENT THROUGH A LOT EVENT. THE DIRECTOR MENTIONED MOST OF THOSE. AGAIN, THE IDEA WAS THAT WE'RE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO FALL IN THE CRACK. AND SO THOSE EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE LEAST GO BACK TO SEE A COPY UNDER MINUTES OF THE, OF THE THING. SO IF THERE'S ANY ONE OF THOSE PARTICULAR ONES YOU WANT TO CHAMPION, DO THAT'S A REMINDER. ANYTHING YOU WANNA SEE AN AGENDA, BUT THERE'S A GREAT PROCESS IS TO, YOU WANT IT GET A SECOND, INFORM THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AT LEAST A LITTLE OVER A WEEK BEFORE THE MA NEXT MEETING TO GIVE US A DAY OR TWO BECAUSE WE OWE IT TO THE STAFF LIAISON TO GET IT, UH, THE FRIDAY BEFORE OUR MEETING. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S, SO I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT THIS HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH ON THE COMMISSION, THAT WE GO AHEAD AND, UM, SEND IT SINCE THIS IS LIKE MY STRENGTH, I COULD DRAFT THE RESOLUTION TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL AS FAR AS US GETTING THAT, UM, OPEN FEEDBACK. UM, AND IF THAT IS OKAY WITH EVERYONE, I'LL, I'LL DRAFT THAT RESOLUTION. I'LL GET IT SENT TO YOU ELIS A WEEK BEFORE THE NEXT GROUP. THAT WAY WHEN WE COME IN ON OUR NEXT MEETING, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT RESOLUTION AND WE CAN SEND IT UP THE WAY. SO WE GET THAT DONE NOW. THERE'S NO SENSE ON US CONTINUING TO PUSH THINGS BACK. YEP. THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT SHOULD WORK. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CHAMPION ANY ACTION DISCUSSION ITEM, THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO. SAY, YEP, I WANNA DO THIS. I'M GONNA DRAFT RECOMMENDATION, SEND OUT THE PAPERWORK, GET IT SITUATED, AND THEN YOU PRESENT IT, WE VOTE ON IT. SO I THINK I NEED A SECOND FOR THAT THOUGH. FOR WHAT I JUST SAID. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU SAID, BUT SECOND , WE WANNA, WE WANNA SEE THINGS PASS. UM, AND AGAIN, THE POINT OF IT IS, WHATEVER YOU REPORT, WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT, UH, NOW. CORRECT. ALTHOUGH YOU ONLY NEED A MINIMUM OF ONE PERSON TO KIND OF SECOND THAT. THE MORE COMMISSIONERS YOU KIND OF KEEP UP TO DATE, THE EASIER IT'S GONNA BE FOR US TO VOTE ON IT. BECAUSE YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN JULY WHEN WE VOTED ON IT, DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND IT, AND NOW HERE IT IS MONTHS LATER, LIKE, OH, WE VOTED ON THIS. YEAH. SO I DO SUGGEST FOR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS COMING UP TO LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE INDIVIDUALS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF BE OUR OWN, OUR OWN LITTLE ISLANDS. AS, AND I JUST BROUGHT THIS UP NOW BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THIS TIME AND MOMENT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS MY STRENGTH. LET'S GET IT OUTTA THE WAY BECAUSE I THINK HAVING THAT WAY TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC COMMUNICATION IS GONNA BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMISSION ALL AROUND. THAT WAY WE CAN START GETTING WORK ON THESE ISSUES. 'CAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A WAY FOR US TO SPEAK OUTSIDE OF THIS SESSION. SO, SO COMMISSIONER PENA, YOU WOULD WANT TO LIST IT AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING IF YOU'RE ASKING ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE ON MOVING THAT FORWARD, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE'LL ADD THAT THE NEXT AGENDA, ANY THAT, THAT DRAFT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU HAD A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE. SO THAT STAFF LET, CAN PUT IT IN THE BACKGROUND AND SO FORTH. AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU WANT WRITE DOWN EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, I VERBATIMLY PUT THAT INTO THE, OKAY. AND THEN JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP. NOW. I WILL GET THAT GUYS THAT TO YOU BECAUSE I'M NOT ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM. AND THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE COMES IN BECAUSE THEN THAT'S VIOLATING TOMA. SO THAT I'VE ACTUALLY DRAFTED SEVERAL THINGS THAT I, I WANTED TO PRESENT, BUT I'M UNABLE TO SEND IT OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS, WHICH DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE ANY SENSE. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALWAYS MORE THAN WELCOME TO SEND IT TO CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. THAT IS THE, THE PROCESS. WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACTION OR A DISCUSSION ITEM, SEND IT TO US. WE ARE ABLE TO ASK OUR LIAISONS TO SEND IT TO EVERYONE SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, VIEW IT. SO LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL PROCESS. I'M SURE YOU CAN CHAMPION A LOT OF THINGS THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU HERE IN IN WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO BRING FORTH. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BY YOURSELF. YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S A, THERE'S A PLACE. SO WOULD ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S HERE AT THIS MEETING TODAY, LIKE TO JOIN IN A SMALL WORKING GROUP WITH ME TO DRAFT THE RESOLUTION TO PRESENT CITY COUNCIL? WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS GONNA BE DOING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SO THIS CAN CAN BE A CONVERSATION YOU CAN HAVE INDIVIDUALLY WITH ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THEY WANNA JOIN YOU. THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. BUT FOR A CALL OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, AND I THINK I EMAILED YOU THE PROCESS OF WHAT I NEED, UH, WRITTEN OUT AS A DISCUSSION AND OR ACTION ITEM. SO THEN WE CAN THEN FORWARD ALONG AT LEAST A WEEK IN ADVANCE SO THAT THEY CAN REVIEW IT, LOOK AT EVERYTHING, AND THEN ADD IT TO THE AGENDA. SO THE WAY WE'LL WORK, THE WAY WE'LL WORK IS NEXT, NEXT MEETING, IT WILL BE ALREADY ON OUR AGENDA MAYBE IN DISCUSSION AND IN THE ITEMS TO, UH, VOTE ON. AND BECAUSE THAT YOUR DRAFT WOULD BE ALREADY ON THE BACKGROUND, PUBLIC COULD SEE WHAT IS UP. SO WHEN IT COMES UP, WE CAN [02:20:01] ACTUALLY, YOU'LL HAVE CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT. WE WILL GONNA BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT RIGHT THEN. BUT THAT'S A PROCESS JUST MAKES THE MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT THE STAFF LIAISON GETS THAT DRAFT AT LEAST A WEEK BEFORE. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS. AND FOR THE RECORD COMMISSIONER FLOOD ALREADY SECOND YOU. SO IT IT WILL, WE WILL BE WORKING TO GET THAT AGENDA. I JUST, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION THAT OKAY, IF WE PUT IN THIS WORK AND WE DO THIS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN NEXT TIME BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, UM, AS FAR AS OTHER THINGS, THERE'S A, UH, PEOPLE AREN'T AS INCLINED TO WORK AND DO THINGS IF THEY KNOW THAT NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN THE NEXT TIME. YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION THAT THIS PROCESS IS CORRECT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON IT NEXT TIME AS LONG AS YEAH, THAT'S HOW THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEM WORKS. SO YOU CAN BRING THOSE ITEMS AND BRING THAT ON AND WE CAN VOTE ON IT WHEN WE GO TO THE DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS. PERFECT. RIGHT. BUT LIKE, JUST REMEMBER THE, THE, THE OWNERSHIP IS ON YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAFT GETS THERE A WEEK BEFORE AND, AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, AND EVEN REWARDING SO THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S CLEAR AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN MISSING. THAT IS THAT IT'S VERY, UH, AS THE VICE CHAIR AND THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR PUT TOGETHER THESE AGENDAS, UH, YOU MAY THINK THAT THEY'RE MONOPOLIZING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT BEEN A SINGLE SUGGESTION THAT'S COME THAT'S BEEN NOT, NOT ADDED TO THE AGENDA. SO EVEN THOUGH THE CHAIR HAS THE, THE, THAT THAT'S, THAT IS A, I MEAN, PREROGATIVE, WE DON'T SEEM TO BE GETTING THOSE AND THAT'S WHY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. TRY TO GIVE US A, A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE THE WEEK TOO SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AND READ IT. AND THAT WILL BE, UM, FINE. YEAH. I HAVE A, A, A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. UM, YOU WANTED ME TO DRAFT THE PROPOSAL REGARDING THE DASHBOARD, SO I'M GONNA DO THAT AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT, UM, WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT I WILL HAVE THAT DRAFT READY AND I WILL PROBABLY WORK WITH A FEW OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND WE WILL GET THAT DONE. SAME PROCESS. I HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM AS WELL. I, UM, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP A DISCUSSION ITEM OF CHANGING OUR BURDENS OF PROOF FOR WHEN OFFICERS ENCOUNTER DEADLY FORCE RESISTANCE FROM, UH, PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE TO, UH, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT FOR POLICY VIOLATIONS. THAT'S A, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION IS DO YOU WANT THIS TO JUST BE A DISCUSSION ITEM OR WILL YOU BE BRINGING A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN ACTION ITEM? DISCUSSION ITEM FOR NOW. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, JUST ON YOUR POINT, SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE AND THEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IS IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN A CIVIL TRIAL OR A CRIMINAL TRIAL. AND SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT RELATES TO US. WE MIGHT JUST HAVE TO TALK ABOUT NEXT. I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR INTO IT 'CAUSE I JUST WANNA BRING IT UP AS A FUTURE ITEM. ALSO, UM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEM IS, UH, CODIFYING OUR PROCESS ON HOW WE, I TURN ON MIKE CODIFYING OUR PROCESS ON HOW WE INTERACT WITH THE INFORMATION OFFICER. UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT GONNA WAIT A MONTH TO DO THAT. I'LL PROBABLY DO IT LIKE MONDAY. BUT, UH, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TO DO WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OR HAVE WE TALKED TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND WHO WE WOULD LIKE TO START JUST HAVING A BRAINSTORMING SESSION SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES AND ALSO, UM, JUMP ON TO SOME THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY BEING DONE BY A PO. SO JUST HAVE A MORE FORMAL DISCUSSION AND JUST A NOTICE WE WRAP UP FOR ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ONLY LET US KNOW NOW OUR INBOXERS ARE EMPTY. YOU CAN COME UP WITH DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS AT ANY POINT. SEND IT TO US. WE CAN WORK WITH YOU. UH, FOR THE ORIGINAL COMMISSIONERS AND SOME OF THE NEW ONES, I FORWARD ALONG SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT, THE INFORMATION THAT I ASKED TO GET THIS DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT REMAINS THE SAME. SO WE'LL BE LIKELY WORKING WITH VICE CHAIR, I'M SORRY, WITH THE CHAIR, TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE SURE, HEY, THERE'S A SYSTEM ALREADY IN PLACE. JUST ASK US QUESTIONS. WE WANNA SEE THESE AGENDA ITEMS, WE WANNA GET THINGS DONE. BUT IT CAN'T BE THE ONLY FOUR PEOPLE, FIVE PEOPLE BRINGING DISCUSSION ITEMS AND ACTION ITEMS ALL THE TIME. 'CAUSE THERE'S 11 OF US, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST US, THAT'S THE COMMISSION. I ONLY THINK ABOUT YOU GUYS THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING. SO , UM, PLEASE IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE, LOOK AT OUR MEETINGS, THE MEETING MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 27TH. THEY'RE LISTED ALL THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. THAT WAS A SUMMARY OF ALL THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED. SOME OF THEM MAY BE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO CHAMPION OR MAYBE YOU THOUGHT A CHAMPION. TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AGAIN. AND IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE, IF YOU DECIDE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'RE READY TO TACKLE, YOU CAN JUST LIKE SAID, SEND, SEND, SEND US A NOTICE IN TIME SO WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA. AND IF YOU HAVE A DRAFT, HAVE IT IN A WORK, UH, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND AND WE COULD, UH, UH, ACT ON IT. OKAY. WHERE DO I FIND A COPY OF THAT? THAT, UH, MINUTES. [02:25:02] DID YOU JUST, DID YOU DISTRIBUTE? THEY'RE GONNA BE ONLINE. UM, THE LINK THAT I HAD SENT YOU FOR THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, JUST GO TO THE BOARD'S COMMISSION'S WEBSITE AND UNDER THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THEM. AND DID I HEAR THAT? UM, WE'RE SHORT LIKE THE COMPUTER? NO. OH, WE'RE NOT. OKAY. THE COMPUTERS ARE BEING REIT AND THEN, SO I ALREADY, OKAY. I WAS GONNA VOLUNTEER MINE, BUT OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANYMORE FUTURE AN ITEM? OKAY. YES, YES PLEASE. UM, SORRY. I DO HAVE A, A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. CAN WE, UM, GET A BRIEFING ON THE COMPLAINTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TODAY AS FAR AS WHAT A PO HAS SEEN AND RECOMMENDED? THE ONES THAT THE SPEAKERS GOT UP AND SPOKE ON. OH, SO WE CAN HAVE TRACK, CAN WE TRACK THOSE AND THEN SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO. AND IF IT'S ALREADY CLOSED OUT, THEN AT LEAST WE CAN REPORT THAT TOO. I WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT CONTEXT OR YOU MEAN THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS WHO YES, WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC SPEAKERS TO TODAY OR FOUR. UM, AND THEN A FEW OF THEM SAID THAT THEY HAD FILED CASES WITH BOTH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE A PO AND I THINK WE SAID WE WERE TRACKING SOME OF THOSE. SO IF WE COULD JUST GET SOME CONTEXT ABOUT THAT. UM, JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME CLOSURE ON THERE. FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. UH, I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM MAY BE AN OPEN INVESTIGATION, SO ANY BRIEFING WOULD HAVE TO BE IN CLOSED SESSION. THAT'S FINE. IT JUST LEADS SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S STILL BEING TRACKED AND THANK YOU. YEAH. AND I HAD ONE MORE THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, IF WE CAN GET A LIST OF ANY OF OUR OFFICERS THAT MIGHT BE ON THE BRADY LIST, AND THEN ALSO TO COMPARE THAT TO, UM, ANY OF THE CASES THAT WE HAVE OPEN. SHOULD BILL YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S A VERY DISCRETIONARY THING. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN ANYBODY? OH, I SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. THIRD, IT IS FIVE 30. MARCH, 2026. THIS MOTION, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.