Mar 23, 2026 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force

AT THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE, UH, PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

WE WILL START WITH OUR REMOTE SPEAKERS.

MARISSA.

BILL, MS. BELL, ARE YOU WITH US? YES.

PLEASE PROCEED.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MARISSA BELL AND I SERVE ON THE AUSTIN TRAVIS COUNTY FOOD POLICY BOARD.

I ALSO WORK AS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF SCHOOL FOOD SERVICE AT LAKE TRAVIS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHERE WE SERVE ABOUT 11,000 MEALS PER DAY.

FEEDING THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS DAILY HAS SHOWN ME HOW FRAGILE OUR LOCAL FOOD SYSTEM IS.

WE ALL LIVED THROUGH THE DISRUPTIONS OF COVID-19 IN WINTER STORM URI.

WHEN NATIONAL SUPPLY CHAINS BROKE DOWN, GROCERY STORES HELD ONLY ABOUT THREE DAYS OF FOOD ON THE SHELVES.

LOCAL PRODUCERS STEPPED UP TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY AND WE RELIED ON THEM IN TIMES OF CRISIS, BUT THERE STILL WASN'T ENOUGH PRODUCTION TO MEET DEMAND EVEN UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS.

CURRENT DEMAND, FAR OUTPACES LOCAL SUPPLY.

OUR DISTRICT HAS BEEN WORKING TO BUY MORE FOOD FROM LOCAL PRODUCERS IN AUSTIN AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES, PROVIDING A STEADY, RELIABLE MARKET THAT HELPS FARMERS STAY IN BUSINESS AND CONTINUE FEEDING OUR COMMUNITIES FOR YEARS TO COME.

BUT WE OFTEN CAN'T SOURCE ENOUGH LOCALLY, NOT BECAUSE DEMAND ISN'T THERE, BUT BECAUSE SUPPLY IS LIMITED, FARMLAND AND FARMERS ARE DISAPPEARING RAPIDLY.

FARMLAND IN THIS REGION IS UNDER INTENSE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE, AND ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED, IT'S GONE FOREVER.

AT THE CURRENT RATE, ALL, ALL FARMLAND IN THE SURROUNDING FIVE COUNTY REGION COULD BE LOST IN LESS THAN 10 YEARS BY 2035.

IF WE DON'T ACT NOW WITHOUT LAND, THERE IS NO SUPPLY.

WE NEED TO PRESERVE FARMLAND NOW SO FARMERS CAN CONTINUE PRODUCING FOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

OTHERWISE, WE BECOME ENTIRELY DEPENDENT ON FOOD FROM OTHER REGIONS, STATES, OR COUNTRIES, AND LOSE OUR ABILITY TO FEED OURSELVES.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE ALREADY HAVE THE TOOLS AND PARTNERSHIPS IN PLACE.

THE STUDY OF AUSTIN HAS ALREADY PROTECTED OVER 60,000 ACRES USING CONSERVATION EASEMENTS FOR WATER QUALITY, WILDLIFE HABITAT, AND OPEN SPACE.

WE CAN USE THESE SAME TOOLS TO PRESERVE LAND FOR FOOD PRODUCTION.

THIS APPROACH ALIGNS WITH THE AUSTIN TRAVIS COUNTY FOOD PLAN AND THE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN, WHICH BOTH SUPPORT FARMLAND PRESERVATION FOR LOCAL FOOD ACCESS AND ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT.

THE FOOD POLICY BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED A $15 MILLION ALLOCATION IN THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE TO PRESERVE FARMLAND FOR AGRICULTURAL USE.

WHILE THE OVERALL FUNDING FOR LAND CONSERVATION IS CHANGING AS THE BOND IS SHAPED, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER TO ENSURE THAT AGRICULTURE IS NOT LEFT BEHIND.

A PROPORTIONAL DEDICATED CARVE OUT FOR FARMLAND PRESERVATION CAN SERVE AS SEED FUNDING TO UNLOCK FEDERAL DOLLARS THROUGH USDA.

PROGRAMS LIKE THE REGIONAL CONSERVATION PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM MULTIPLYING THE IMPACT OF ITS INVESTMENT.

THIS IS A ONE-TIME INVESTMENT WITH LONG-TERM RETURNS THAT GO FAR BEYOND FOOD.

REGENERATIVELY MANAGED FARMLAND PROTECTS WATER QUALITY SUPPORTS BIODIVERSITY, STRENGTHENS CLIMATE RESILIENCE, CREATES LOCAL JOBS AND REDUCES FLOOD RISK, THEREBY REDUCING PUBLIC COSTS RELATED TO MANAGING STORM WATER AND REPAIRING FLOOD DAMAGE.

AND THE LAND ITSELF RETAINS OR INCREASES IN VALUE PROVIDING A CLEAR RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

AS YOU SHAPE THE BOND PACKAGE, PLEASE DEDICATE FUNDING FOR FARMLAND PRESERVATION FOR FOOD PRODUCTION SO FARMERS CAN KEEP FEEDING OUR COMMUNITY WHILE DELIVERING THESE ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC CO-BENEFITS.

IF WE DON'T ACT NOW, WE LOSE MORE THAN LAND.

WE LOSE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FOOD, WATER, AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE.

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YOU CAN GO AHEAD, PROCEED.

AM I UP BACK? YES, MA'AM.

HI.

I'M CALLING TO MAKE TWO POINTS, UM, ONE ABOUT THE PROCESS, AND I'VE MADE A POINT ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I HAVE A RECENT EXPERIENCE IN DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AFTER THE MEETING ON MARCH 9TH, I, THAT EVENING, I EMAILED SOME OF THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS AND ASKED TO CLARIFY WHEN THE WORKING GROUPS WERE MEETING.

UH, BECAUSE THE WEBSITE HAD CONFLICTING INFORMATION, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIFICATION WORK GROUP, IT SAID THAT THEY MEET THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.

YET ON THE WEBSITE, IT ALSO ALSO SAID IN THE SAME AREA THAT THEY WERE MEETING WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11TH AT 10:00 AM I EMAILED THOSE CONTACTS, TWO CONTACTS THAT WERE LISTED ON THE WEBSITE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON EXACTLY WHEN THE MEETING WAS.

I GOT AN EMAIL AFTER THEY MET SAYING THAT THEIR NEXT MEETING IS IN APRIL.

AND THEN THE OTHER PERSON TOLD ME, OH, SORRY, WE MISSED YOU.

AND I TRIED TO LOG IN TO PARTICIPATE, TO LISTEN IN ON THAT MEETING A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND I WAS NEVER ADMITTED TO THE MEETING ROOM.

SO AGAIN, THIS HAS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT Y'ALL'S WEBSITE IS NOT UP TO DATE.

MEETING SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED LAST MINUTE OR MOVED AROUND, OR THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF PROTOCOL TO GET BACK TO CONSTITUENTS WITHIN 24 HOURS OR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.

AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT Y'ALL'S FULL-TIME JOB.

YOU ARE VOLUNTEERING IN THIS POSITION, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO VOLUNTEER, PLEASE DO IT DUTIFULLY AND PLEASE RESPOND TO CONSTITUENTS PROMPTLY RESPONDING AFTER A MEETING HAS BEEN HELD TO SAY, SORRY, WE WE MISSED YOU, IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE, AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS TO VOTE ON THIS BOND.

MY SECOND COMMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS ABOUT LIBRARIES.

AGAIN, NORTH OF 180 3 NORTHEAST AUSTIN, STILL TO, TO THIS DAY IS A LIBRARY DESERT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED IN PUBLIC LIBRARIES, IT YIELDS A FOUR TO $6 RETURN.

IN TEXAS, IT YIELDS $4 AND 64 CENTS.

THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARIES AND ARCHIVES COMMISSION.

SO LIBRARIES HAVE ECONOMIC RETURNS, THEY PROVIDE JOBS.

LITERATE COMMUNITIES ALSO REDUCE CRIME.

THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING SERVICES AND TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES OFFERED ARE BENEFICIAL FOR KIDS FROM BIRTH ALL THE WAY TO ELDERLY AND SENIORS.

THEY PROVIDE MEETING SPACES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THEY HELP PRO PROPERTY VALUES.

THEY HELP BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM.

UH, AGAIN, NORTHEAST AUSTIN DOES NOT HAVE A LIBRARY.

I KNOW THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO PUT ONE IN COLONY PARK.

COLONY PARK IS TWO MILES AND 10 MINUTES FROM THE UNIVERSITY HILLS LIBRARY, YET NORTHEAST SAUCE AND THE TECH RIDGE HARRIS BRANCH AREA.

I DO NOT LIVE IN THAT AREA, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF EQUITY IN ALLOWING VOTERS TO, UM, TO HAVE A LIBRARY IN THEIR AREA.

AND IT IS MORE THAN 20 MINUTES FROM LITTLE WALNUT CREEK LIBRARY.

WE NEED MORE LIBRARIES.

I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED REC CENTERS, BUT WE NEED PLACES FOR KIDS AND THE ELDERLY, ELDERLY TO CONGREGATE, AND LIBRARIES ARE A GOOD SOURCE FOR MULTI-USE SPACES.

SO PLEASE, PLEASE, MS. VANCE, YOU CAN PROCEED.

AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FACILITY EXPANSION PLAN BASED ON THE 2000 FEASIBILITY STUDY.

HI, MY NAME IS PAMELA HALL VANCE, AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER AMBASSADORS, THE SUPPORT GROUP FOR THE CARVER MUSEUM.

AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ADDING IT AS A TOP RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 2026 BOND.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TWO AREAS, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND PROJECT READINESS.

FIRST, UH, I'M GONNA GO OVER A QUICK TIMELINE, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU OF THE CARVER MUSEUM AND CULTURAL CENTER EXPANSION.

YOU CAN SEE IN 1998 THAT AUSTIN CITIZENS VOTED IN A BOND ELECTION TO EXPAND THE CARVER MUSEUM AND CULTURAL CENTER.

IN 2000, A FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS CONDUCTED, RESULTING IN A THREE PHASE EXPANSION.

PLAN FOR THE PHASE ONE WAS COMPLETED IN 2005.

LET'S FAST FORWARD 16 YEARS.

IN 2021, THE

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AND THIS HAS HAD EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

AND YET THEN WE HAD TO WAIT THREE MORE YEARS.

YOU'LL SEE 24, 25 MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOCUSED ON THE COUNCIL APPROVED IMPROVEMENTS NOW CALLED PHASE PHASES ONE A AND B OF THE 2021 FACILITY EXPANSION PLAN.

THIS INFORMATION COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION WEBSITE, AND IT SHOWS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY SPOKEN AND PARTICIPATED IN PREVIOUS SURVEYS AND NUMEROUS SESSIONS REFLECTING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.

UH, I'D LIKE TO NOW ADDRESS PROJECT READINESS.

I'M VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT ERIC BAILEY AND HIS TEAM FROM THE CAPITAL UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DELIVERY SERVICES DECIDED NOT TO INCLUDE THE CARVER MUSEUM EXPANSION AT ALL IN THE JANUARY INITIAL DRAFT LIST.

I'M CONFUSED WITH HIS EXPLANATION OF PROJECT READINESS BECAUSE I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN ASKING SINCE 2025 WHY THERE HAS BEEN NO PROGRESS ON THE DESIGN CONTRACT.

I'D LIKE THE BTF MEMBERS TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHY HE THINKS AT LEAST PHASE ONE A COULD NOT BE COMPLETED IN SIX YEARS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITH THE PROPER OVERSIGHT, THIS PROJECT COULD HAVE BEEN STARTED MUCH EARLIER, AND NOW WE ARE BEING PENALIZED BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT DONE.

I THINK 17 MILLION IS A, A SMALL AMOUNT TO FUND A PROJECT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHOULD BE A NON-NEGOTIABLE AND TOP RECOMMENDATION ITEM ON ANY LIST.

AND THEN JUST NOTE, 17 MILLION IS, IS THE CORRECT AMOUNT.

IT'S ABOUT 1 MILLION FOR THE REST OF THE DESIGN PROCESS.

6 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE ONE, A 8 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE ONE B AND 1 MILLION FOR SOFT COSTS AND 1 MILLION FOR ESCALATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR, WE HAD ONE MORE REMOTE, BUT SHE'S NOT ON, SO WE'LL MOVE TO IN-PERSON.

OUR FIRST IN-PERSON SPEAKER IS INU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

AS WAS MENTIONED, MY NAME IS INU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR HAVING ME.

UH, AND I AM HERE TO AGAIN, ADDRESS THIS COMMITTEE AND ADVOCATE FOR INCLUSION OF THE CARVER MUSEUM IN THE UPCOMING 2026 BOND.

I CO-SIGNED THE INFORMATION THAT PAM HAS JUST SHARED.

AND ALSO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE WAS A MEMO IN JULY OF 2025 THAT DID INCLUDE THE CARVER MUSEUM ON THAT MEMO.

WHEN A JANUARY 21ST, 2026 MEMO CAME OUT, THE CARVER WAS DROPPED OFF.

INTERESTINGLY, THAT JANUARY 26TH, 2020 JANUARY 21ST, 2026 MEMO DOES COME DIRECTLY FOR FROM THE CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES ORGANIZATION.

AND IT INCLUDES CATEGORIES THAT WERE USED FOR DETERMINING WHICH PROJECTS GET INCLUDED AND WHICH DO NOT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SCORING FROM THOSE CATEGORIES, WE REALIZE THAT THE CARVER MUSEUM HAS SCORED HIGHER THAN OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL INCLUDED IN THE EXACT FACILITIES CATEGORY THAT THE CARVER IS A PART OF.

THE QUESTION MIGHT BE PERHAPS IN THE SUBCATEGORIES THE CARVER MUSEUM SCORED POORLY, BUT IN LOOKING AT THE SUBCATEGORY RESULTS, FOR INSTANCE, COMMUNITY CONSIDERATION CARVER SCORED HIGHER IN THAT SUBCATEGORY THAN OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE INCLUDED.

EFFICIENCY CARVER SCORED HIGHER TIMELINESS AND READINESS.

CARVER SCORED HIGHER, CARVER SCORED HIGHER OVERALL.

AND THEREFORE, IT IS UNCLEAR, CONFUSING AND CONCERNING TO SEE THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS BEEN LEFT OFF OF THE LIST OF PROJECTS AVAILABLE FOR CONSIDERATION.

I'M HERE ONCE AGAIN TO ASK THAT THIS COMMITTEE AND THAT CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES PUT THE CARVER MUSEUM BACK ON THE LIST THEY WERE ON IN JULY, 2025.

THERE WERE SCORING THAT HAPPENED.

SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THE SCORING SHOWS THAT THE CARVER IS HIGHER THAN PROJECTS CURRENTLY INCLUDED, AND YET THE CARVER IS NOT INCLUDED.

THIS DOES NOT ADD UP.

PLEASE DO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THE CARVER MUSEUM IN THE 2026 LIST OF PROJECTS FOR A POTENTIAL BOND.

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NEXT WE HAVE, UH, KATERINA HARRIS.

HELLO, MY NAME IS KATERINA HARRIS AND I LIVE IN THE GARRISON PARK NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO YOUNG CHILDREN IN THE LAST YEAR OF ALSO ADOPTED GARRISON PARK WITH FELLOW NEIGHBORS THROUGH THE AUSTIN PARKS FOUNDATION.

MY FAMILY AND I REGULARLY USE GARRISON POOL, AND IT IS ONE OF THE FEW ACCESSIBLE, AFFORDABLE OUTDOOR SPACES WHERE FAMILIES IN OUR, IN OUR AREA CAN GATHER, STAY ACTIVE AND COOL OFF DURING AUSTIN'S EXTREME SUMMERS.

I'M HERE TODAY TO STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR FUNDING THE REPLACEMENT OF GARRISON POOL IN THE 26TH BOND PACKAGE.

THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED GARRISON POOL AS AN END OF LIFE FACILITY WITHOUT REINVESTMENT.

THIS IS NOT A THEORETICAL ISSUE.

IT MEANS THE POOL WILL LIKELY BE FORCED TO CLOSE IN THE COMING YEARS.

LOSING THIS POOL WOULD REMOVE A CRITICAL PIECE OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS HEALTH, SAFETY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

GARRISON POOL SERVES A DIVERSE AND GROWING POPULATION IN SOUTH AUSTIN, INCLUDING MANY FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN.

PUBLIC POOLS ARE NOT JUST RECREATIONAL, THEY'RE ESSENTIAL FOR HEAT RELIEF, ESPECIALLY AS OUR SUMMERS BECOME MORE EXTREME FOR MANY RESIDENTS, IT IS ONE OF THE ONLY FREE OR LOW COST WAYS TO STAY SAFE DURING HIGH TEMPERATURES.

INVESTING IN THIS PROJECT IS ALSO AN EQUITY ISSUE.

SOUTH AUSTIN COMMUNITIES HAVE HISTORICALLY EXPERIENCED GAPS IN ACCESS TO UPDATED RECREATION INFRASTRUCTURE.

REPLACING THIS POOL ENSURES THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT LEFT BEHIND AND CONTINUES TO ACCESS, CONTINUES TO HAVE ACCESS TO SAFE, MODERN, AQUATIC FACILITIES.

THERE'S ALSO CLEAR AND GROWING COMMUNITIES CLEAR GROWING COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.

NEIGHBORS, FAMILIES AND PARK USERS ARE READY TO SHOW UP, SPEAK AND ADVOCATE BECAUSE THIS POOL IS DEEPLY VALUED.

FINALLY, THIS IS A PROACTIVE INVESTMENT.

REPLACING THE POOL NOW IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN WAITING FOR FAILURE AND EMERGENCY CLOSURE.

THIS WOULD CREATE GREATER DISRUPTION IN HIGHER LONG-TERM COSTS.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU PRIORITIZE FUNDING FOR GARRISON POOL SO WE CAN CONTINUE SERVING THE COMMUNITY FOR DECADES TO COME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

NEXT WE HAVE JOHN HARRIS.

MY NAME'S JOHN HARRIS.

I LIVE AT 2100 LEEWOOD CIRCLE, UH, AUSTIN, TEXAS 7 8 7 4 5.

VERY CLOSE TO THE GARRISON POOL, UH, WHICH I'M GONNA PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT KATERINA SAID BEFORE.

UM, ALSO A MEMBER RECENTLY JOINED, UH, FRIENDS OF GARRISON, A GROUP THAT, UH, IS SUPPORTING THE PARK THROUGH AUSTIN PARKS FOUNDATION, UH, AS OF ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

UM, SO HEAVILY ENGAGED, HEAVILY INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UM, HERE JUST TO ASK THE SAME THING THAT, UH, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE ARE ASKING IS THAT YOU KEEP, UH, THE GARRISON PARK POOL PROJECT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CONSIDERATION IN THIS NEXT ROUND OF FUNDING.

UM, TIME IS REALLY OF THE ESSENCE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, EVALUATING THIS AS A POTENTIAL PROJECT SINCE ABOUT 2017 WHEN, WHEN THE ASSET WAS NEARING THE END OF USE OF LIFE.

AND, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY EASIER, UH, TO UPGRADE IT OR REPLACE IT OR GET IT, UH, UP TO THE STANDARD THAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

UM, IT IS AN AMAZING, UH, RESOURCE FORCE IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FOR RECREATION, BUT ALSO FOR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.

UH, WE DON'T, UH, ASK FOR OR EXPECT THE NICEST OR FANCIEST POOL OR THE ONE WITH THE GREATEST AMENITIES.

WE JUST WANT ONE THAT'S SAFE, UH, ACCESSIBLE AND FUNCTIONAL.

UM, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A RELIEF TO US, UH, ALL IN, IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AS A, AS A PLACE TO COOL OFF AND, UH, JUST GET THE KIDS OUTTA THE HOUSE, UH, WHEN IT'S SCORCHING HOT OUTSIDE.

UM, AND UH, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT, UH, THERE REALLY IS THE COMMUNITY IS AN UNTAPPED RESOURCE OR, OR REALLY THERE'S JUST A LOT MORE POTENTIAL IN IT.

UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, WE JUST CASUALLY STARTED, UH, ENGAGING WITH, UM, IS MY PARK DAYS AS PART OF THE AUSTIN PARKS FOUNDATION.

AND, AND WE'RE FILLING UP SPOTS FASTER THAN NORMAL, HUGE TURNOUT.

UH, JUST KIND OF THE SUBJECTIVE FEEDBACK WE GOT IS THAT LIKE, WOW, THIS IS AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP, UH, TO REPRESENT THIS PARK AND HELP IMPROVE IT.

UH, JUST IMAGINE WHAT WE COULD DO IF WE INJECTED SOME FUNDING AND DID SOMETHING, UH, REALLY INTENTIONAL WITH THIS GREAT RESOURCE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE TRAILS AND THE PARK VERY REGULARLY, IF NOT DAILY AS WELL.

NEXT WE HAVE HEATHER VAN D**E.

HI EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS HEATHER VAN D**E AND I ALSO LIVE IN THE GARRISON PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY HOUSE IS ACTUALLY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PARK.

WE CAN CUT THROUGH OUR BACKYARD TO GET INTO THE PARK.

UH, SO WE ESSENTIALLY USE IT DAILY.

BEFORE KIDS, IT WAS PRIMARILY A SPACE FOR US TO WALK OUR DOGS AND USE THE POOL.

AND NOW WITH AN ALMOST 3-YEAR-OLD, WE USE THE PLAYGROUND, THE POOL, UH,

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UH, AS MENTIONED, WE RECENTLY DEVELOPED THE FRIENDS OF GARRISON, UH, GROUP TO BE STEWARDS OF THE PARK AND TO BE REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR PARK.

JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A LAY OF THE LAND, WE HAVE ABOUT 30 FAMILIES WITH KIDS ON MY STREET AND THE NEXT COUPLE STREETS ALONE.

WE ALL USE THE PARK, UH, THE PARK AND THE POOL ALL SUMMER LONG.

WE SWIM, WE MEET NEIGHBORS, WE MAKE NEW FRIENDS.

WE TAKE SWIM LESSONS FROM THE LIFEGUARDS WHO ARE THERE, WHICH YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, HAS A REALLY ROBUST TRAINING PROGRAM FOR LIFEGUARDS AT OUR POOL.

UM, OFTENTIMES AFTER WE'VE SPENT TIME AT THE POOL, WE'RE GATHERING WITH FOLKS THERE TO GO TO, UH, AREA BUSINESSES FOR LUNCH, UH, OR FOR DINNER TO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.

AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE MULTI-GENERATIONAL PLACES WHERE WE CAN CONGREGATE AND PARTICIPATE IN WHAT IS REALLY ACCESSIBLE, LOW IMPACT EXERCISE FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES.

SO IT FORMS THIS IDENTITY FOR US AS AUSTINITES AND WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, AS YOU KNOW, AND AS MENTIONED, OUR SUMMERS ARE, ARE LONG AND ARE HOT.

AND WITHOUT THIS POOL, THE PEOPLE IN OUR AREA WOULD HAVE NOWHERE TO GATHER AND COOL OFF BECAUSE REALLY BACKYARD POOLS ARE ATYPICAL IN OUR AREA.

INSTEAD, WE RELY ON THIS LOW COST RECREATIONAL AMENITY.

UM, AND WITHOUT QUESTION, IT REALLY SERVES A DIVERSE COMMUNITY THAT IS CONTINUING TO GROW IN OUR AREA.

SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO ADVOCATE FOR THE $25 MILLION INVESTMENT IN GARRISON PARK POOL TO BE INCLUDED IN THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE.

AS MENTIONED, THE POOL IS AGING.

IT'S IN SERIOUS NEED OF SUPPORT AND INVESTMENT.

WITHOUT FUNDING, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE CLOSED IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.

UM, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT AN ABSTRACT SCENARIO.

IT'S THE PLACE WHERE OUR KIDS LEARN TO SWIM.

WE GATHER, UH, WE COOL OFF FROM THE SUMMERS AND THE NEIGHBORING, THE NEIGHBORS IN COMMUNITY HAVE JUST BEEN OVERWHELMED BY THE NOTION THAT THIS COULD BE CLOSED.

WE VERY MUCH RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE COMPETING PRIORITIES WITH CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY.

UM, BUT WE WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED A MAJOR INFLUX OF CARE, APPRECIATION AND NEED, UM, WITH BOTH THE PARK AND THE POOL.

WITHOUT THIS FUNDING, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'LL ESSENTIALLY BE AN EMPTY POOL WITH BARBED WIRE FENCING AROUND IT, WHICH KIND OF SENDS A MESSAGE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS SPACE TO CONGREGATE REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.

AND THE CONCERN THEN IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PARK? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GREATER COMMUNITY? UM, AND SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND FOR CONSIDERING GARRISON PARK POOL.

NEXT WE HAVE KAYLEE STRINGER.

HELLO, MY NAME IS KAYLEE STRINGER.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT THE, UM, IMPORTANCE OF INVESTING AND IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR POOL AT GARRISON PARK.

UM, I'VE LIVED IN AUSTIN FOR 12 YEARS AND HAVE LIVED ALL OVER THE CITY.

AND MY FAMILY DECIDED TO, UM, SETTLE DOWN IN SOUTH AUSTIN AND RAISE A FAMILY NEAR GARRISON PARK, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE PARK AND POOL.

IT'S AN INCREDIBLE RESOURCE.

UM, LIKE HEATHER, WE LIVE ON THE STREET BORDERING THE PARK, AND IT'S A PLACE THAT WE VISIT DAILY.

WE WALK OUR DOGS, WE MEET A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IT'S BECOME TRULY AN EXTENSION OF OUR HOME AND OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THAT'S THE CASE FOR SO MANY OTHERS AND SUCH A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM ALL DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A BABY BOY ON THE WAY, AND WE PICTURE HIM GETTING TO GO PLAY IN THE POOL EVERY YEAR AND EVERY SUMMER.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS THOUGHT WOULD BE THE CASE AND NEVER EVEN QUESTIONED IT BEFORE.

SO, UM, WE WERE REALLY SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO AWAY.

UM, AND JUST THE OTHER DAY I MET THE SWEDISH GENTLEMAN WHO TALKED ABOUT GROWING UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW HE WOULD GO SWIMMING WITH HIS FRIENDS BACK IN THE SEVENTIES.

AND THEY WERE JUST LIKE HIS FONDEST MEMORIES.

SO IT WAS REALLY FUN TO HEAR THAT AND THINK ABOUT THAT BEING THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AS WELL.

UM, AND PUBLIC SPACES LIKE GARRISON PARK SHOULD NOT BE LUXURIES IN TEXAS.

IT'S BOILING HOT AS EVERYBODY ELSE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT.

UM, AND THEY'RE REALLY ESSENTIAL PROVIDING THE COMMUNITY SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY AND NOT JUST A LUXURY FOR THOSE IN THEIR BACKYARD.

UM, IMPROVING AND RENOVATING THE POOL RATHER THAN CONDEMNING IT REFLECTS FORWARD THINKING VALUES OF OUR CITY.

AND ITS CARE FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, IF IT WAS CONDEMNED, IT WOULD INEVITABLY CAUSE VANDALISM.

AND LIKE HEATHER SAID, UM, MAYBE THE INEVITABLE DECREASE IN THE QUALITY OF THE PARK AND THE WAY THAT IT'S PERCEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY.

AND I TRULY THINK OUR PARK IS LIKE A HIDDEN GEM.

IT'S LIKE, IT'S AS SHADE, IT'S AMAZING.

LIKE MORE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ENJOYING IT.

AND I THINK A NEW POOL AND IMPROVEMENTS WOULD ENABLE PEOPLE TO COME AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE MISSING OUT ON.

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UM, ALREADY.

AND THIS MATTERS, ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND FAMILIES.

DURING THE SUMMERS, KIDS ARE HOME ON THEIR SCREENS, ON THEIR COMPUTERS AND THEIR GAMES AND THEIR PHONES AND SCROLLING AND A POOL LETS THEM GET THE FACETIME AND GET THE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY THAT THEY VERY MUCH NEED.

UM, AND YEAH, , SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING, UM, RENOVATING OUR POOL AND, UM, KEEPING THIS AS A RESOURCE IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY HOW WALKABLE IT IS FOR SO, SO MANY PEOPLE.

UM, SO YEAH.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION, A CLARIFYING QUESTION? OH, IF IT'S A CLARIFYING QUESTION, YOU CAN ASK THAT.

THE COST OF THE RENOVATION, IS THAT A CLARIFYING QUESTION OR IS THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

ON, ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

I THINK THAT'S IT.

THE OTHER, THE OTHER REMOTE SPEAKER DIDN'T JOIN, SO, OKAY, MOVING

[1. Approve the minutes of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force Regular Called meeting on March 09, 2026.]

WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE, REGULAR CALL MEETING ON MARCH 9TH, 2026.

I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

SO MOVED.

SECOND.

UM, I HAD ONE, ONE NOTE ON THE MINUTES.

I THINK WE'VE GOT THE DATE WRONG.

IN THE FIRST, UM, THE TOP JUST SAYS THE FEBRUARY 9TH, 2026 MEETING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES ANYBODY HAD? OKAY.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

RAISE YOUR HAND, HOLD IT UP PLEASE.

MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO, WE'RE GONNA HEAR A STAFF BRIEFING REGARDING THE 2026 BOND PHASE THREE OPEN HOUSES, UH, PRESENTATION BY LUCERO ERIC CHAGA.

AND THEN IT'S APPROVED.

[2. Staff briefing regarding 2026 Bond Phase 3 Open Houses. Presentation by, Lucero Arechiga, Community Engagement Consultant, Austin Communications and Engagement.]

I DIDN'T SAY THAT RIGHT? I'M SURE.

COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT.

HELLO? DO I GET THE CLICKER? THERE WE GO.

HI EVERYONE.

I'M HERE TO BRING YOU, UH, A BRIEFING OF OUR THIRD PHASE OF ENGAGEMENT, WHICH WAS OUR OPEN HOUSES, UM, FOR, I, I ADDED LOTS OF PHOTOS FOR EXCITEMENT.

UM, THIS IS THE FAMILIAR TIMELINE THAT YOU EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH.

I WANTED TO SHARE, UM, ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LISTENING SESSIONS Y'ALL HELD.

UM, BACK IN NOVEMBER, UM, YOU COORDINATED THREE, ONE OF THEM AT THE GA GARCIA REC CENTER.

UH, THERE WAS A VIRTUAL SESSION AS WELL.

AND THEN THE RUDY MENDEZ REC CENTER.

THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF ENCAPSULATE ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMITTEE HAS HAD TO KIND OF CONNECT WITH YOU ALL AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CAPTURING WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM, INCLUDING THE FOLKS WHO COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND, AND SHARE INFORMATION WITH YOU.

UM, AFTER THAT, IT BRINGS US BACK, UH, TOWARDS MARCH WHERE WE HAD OUR LISTENING SESSIONS.

AND THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS HELD AT THE MONIS REC CENTER.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOS, WE HAD, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER FUENTES ATTEND THIS ONE, AND WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF ATTENDANCE.

THIS WAS HELD IN THE ONTOP OF THIS REC CENTER, AND IT WAS BROKEN INTO TWO FLOORS.

AND SO, UM, WE WERE MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND, AND KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONTINUATION OF THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT WE SAW PRETTY GOOD FLOW, UM, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THESE MEETINGS.

UM, THE NEXT ONE WAS THE CLICKER CLICKS WITH ME.

THERE WE GO.

AT THE NORTHWEST REC CENTER.

UM, AGAIN, WE SAW A LOT OF FOLKS COMING IN THROUGH HAVING THEM AT THESE CENTERS.

ALSO BROUGHT FOLKS WHO WERE ATTENDING THE CENTERS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THEIR, AS THEIR PART OF THEIR DAILY LIVING ATTENDING THESE SESSIONS.

SO IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO, UM, COINCIDE WITH THAT AS WELL AS LIKE VOTING, UH, FOLKS WHO WERE SHOWING UP TO VOTE TO THESE PLACES.

AND SO, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF CROSS POLLINATE, GRABBING FOLKS FROM HERE AND THERE AND ENSURING THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND GIVE US THEIR INSIGHT.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOS, THERE IS DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE COULD PARTICIPATE.

ONE OF THEM BEING, UM, A DOT EXERCISE IN WHICH PEOPLE COULD HIGHLIGHT WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM WITH THE SIMPLE STICKERS, THEY WERE GIVEN FIVE STICKERS AND THEY COULD GO TO THE PROJECTS THAT THEY FELT LIKE, UM, WERE A PRIORITY TO THEM.

UM, THIS OTHER ONE WAS AT THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER.

AGAIN, SIMILAR SETUP.

WE HAD THE SAME SETUP THROUGHOUT ALL FIVE MEETINGS, JUST SO THAT, UM, PEOPLE GET THE SAME EXPERIENCE.

AND

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MEETINGS DON'T CHANGE ONE FROM THE OTHER BECAUSE WE WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE.

AND SAME GOES FOR HOSTING THESE MEETINGS VIRTUALLY SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME THOUGHT EXERCISE, THE SAME, UH, SPACE TO PARTICIPATE AND PROVIDE QUESTIONS.

NEXT WE HAD THE COLLEAGUE G**O CENTER.

UM, AND THIS, AGAIN, ONCE MORE, WE SAW, UH, UH, PARTICIPATION AND PEOPLE, UM, UTILIZING THE ENGAGEMENT METHODS, SO THE TOOLS AND METHODS AS FOLKS WERE JOINING THEM.

I JUST WANNA WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THE EXPERIENCE WAS ON THE FIRST PHOTO.

YOU SEE FOLKS WERE ABLE TO COME IN, SIGN IN, AND THEY GOT LIKE A LITTLE BOOKLET THAT HAD A BRIEFING THAT BROUGHT THEM UP TO SPEED AS TO EVERYTHING THAT HAD HAP HAS HAPPENED IN THE BOND PROCESS.

UM, THIS KIND OF ENCAPSULATED ALL THE ENTIRE PROCESS FOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO KIND OF GET UP TO SPEED TO WHERE WE WERE AT.

UH, AND PICTURE NUMBER TWO, YOU SEE THAT ALL MATERIALS FOR THESE MEETINGS WERE TRANSLATED INTO EIGHT DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

SO WE HAD ANY SLIDE DECK, ANYTHING THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, INCLUDING THE BOARDS THAT WERE ON DISPLAY.

ALL MATERIALS WERE TRANSLATED INTO EIGHT LANGUAGES FOR ACCESSIBILITY.

ON PICTURE NUMBER THREE, YOU SEE LIKE A VERY, UM, FRIENDLY DOT EXERCISE.

SOME FOLKS DON'T LIKE TO SAY WHERE THEY'RE JOINING US FROM.

SO WE HAVE LIKE THIS GIANT MAP WITH ALL THE DISTRICTS AND PEOPLE PUT KIND OF THE DOTS OF WHERE THEY'RE JOINING US.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT PARTICIPATION, WE ARE ABLE TO SEE WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE, IF PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND JOINING US TO WHAT AREAS.

RIGHT? AND IT SHOWS LIKE WHERE PEOPLE, UM, ARE TRAVELING TO, TO GET TO US.

UM, AND IN NUMBER FOUR, YOU SEE THE COMMENT CARDS.

SO PART OF THE EXERCISE ALSO INCLUDED, UM, EVERY PROJECT HAD A NUMBER ON IT AND FOLKS HAD COMMENT CARDS AVAILABLE THROUGH EVERY STATION AND OTHER SPACES.

AND SO WHEN PEOPLE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT A PRO PARTICULAR PROJECT, THEY'RE ABLE TO SUBMIT THEIR QUESTION OR THEIR COMMENT ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN LEAVE THEM BEHIND IN THE COMMENT BOXES THAT WERE SET AROUND THE FACILITY SO THAT PEOPLE COULD LEAVE THEIR INSIGHTS.

AND THEN NUMBER FIVE IS THE DOT EXERCISE I'VE MENTIONED THAT HAS LIKE A DISPLAY BOARDS WITH ALL OF THE PROJECTS.

UM, AND THE, AND FOLKS WERE GIVEN FIVE DOTS.

AND SO SOME OF THE QUESTION WAS LIKE, WHY ONLY FIVE STICKERS? I WANT TO PUT MORE.

WELL, BECAUSE THAT HIGHLIGHTS PRIORITIES AND NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE A PRIORITY.

SO FIVE DOTS REALLY FORCED THIS COMMUNITY TO JUST REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT IS A PRIORITY TO THEM.

AND SO THIS WAS A REALLY GREAT EXERCISE.

UM, A QUICK NOTE FROM THAT IS THAT SOME KIDS WANTED TO PARTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF A STICKER WAS LIKE FUN TO THEM.

UM, BUT ALSO IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR THE INSIGHTS FROM CHILDREN TO HEAR LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED LIKE A SENIOR CENTER FOR THEIR GRANDMA, AND LIKE THAT THEY WERE POINTING OUT WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM.

SO IT REALLY GIVES ME MORE IDEAS OF LIKE HOW WE CAN CONNECT WITH YOUTH AND HOW WE CAN CONNECT WITH DIFFERENT AUDIENCES IN DIFFERENT WAYS BECAUSE THEIR PRIORITIES ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT.

UM, AND SO THERE WAS A REALLY HEALTHY DIALOGUE BETWEEN PARENT AND CHILD AS TO LIKE NAVIGATE WHAT IS A PRIORITY, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO, TO KIND OF GET SOME INSIGHTS INTO HOW COMMUNITY APPROACHES THESE PROJECTS.

UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WAS A, A, A SURVEY THAT WAS ACTIVE AND PEOPLE COULD TAKE THE SURVEY ON SITE.

WE HAD SOME IPADS, WE HAD SOME PRINTED, AND WE ALSO HAD A QR CODES FOR FOLKS WHO WANTED TO JUST WALK AWAY, DIGEST A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THEY HAD EXPERIENCED AND HEARD, AND THEN GIVE US SOME INSIGHTS.

SO THOSE WERE THE ACTIVITIES THAT TOOK PLACE, UM, THROUGH THESE OPEN HOUSES.

IS THERE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS THAT COME TO MIND? YES, APPRECIATE IT.

UM, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT PROJECTS WERE PRESENTED? UM, OR WERE ANY PROJECTS PRESENTED? BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING A LOT.

YOU KNOW, INFORMA EITHER NEW PROJECTS ARE BEING PRESENTED AND THEY DON'T MAKE THEIR WAY INTO THE OVERALL LIST, UM, IS A BIG ONE.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US, AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS RELATING TO THIS SPECIFIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE FEEDBACK.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, DID WE EVER PROVIDE LIKE A COMMUNITY LANDSCAPE? LIKE THIS IS A LIKE COMMUNITY PROFILE.

THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF THE DISABILITIES AND OUR VETERANS AND OUR SENIORS AND KIND OF LIKE JUST OVERALL DEMOGRAPHIC AND ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE OR WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS? YEAH.

SO BASICALLY CONSENSUS VERSUS COMMUNITY BASED APPROACH? CORRECT.

SO THE ENTIRE ENGAGEMENT, UM, PROCESS INCLUDED, UM, THE OPEN PROJECT SECTION, RIGHT? WHICH WAS, I THINK LIKE LAST NOVEMBER.

AND THERE WAS AN OPEN PERIOD FOR PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE IDEAS.

THERE WAS SOME FOLKS WHO WERE JOINING THESE MEETINGS AND SAYING LIKE, WHERE CAN I CONTRIBUTE MY IDEA? THAT PERIOD HAD ALREADY COME TO A CLOSE.

SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE BRINGING, BRING THEM UP TO SPEED AS TO LIKE, THAT PERIOD HAS COME TO AN END.

BUT I SAW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE SAYING LIKE, I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF A PROJECT.

RIGHT? AND SO WE DID HAVE TO KIND OF LIKE EXPLAIN THE TIMELINE OF ENGAGEMENT AND WHERE WE WERE AT RIGHT NOW.

THERE WAS ALSO THE DISCUSSIONS OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAD SEEN AT THE VERY

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BEGINNING AND WHERE THEY ARE NOW.

AND SO THERE WAS ALSO THAT EXPLANATION THAT WE DID ON SITE OF LIKE, OF BRINGING THEM ON BOARD AS TO LIKE THE, THE PROCESS OF HOW THEY GOT THERE.

SO CLOSING THAT FEEDBACK.

FEEDBACK.

AND THE, THE LITTLE BOOKLET THAT WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING KIND OF WALKS THEM THROUGH THAT AS WELL.

SO WE, WE DID OUR BEST TO KIND OF LIKE BRING PEOPLE UP TO SPEED BECAUSE, UM, FOR SOME PEOPLE IT MIGHT BE LIKE THEIR FIRST TIME COMING TO OR HEARING ABOUT THE BOND AND THEY, THEY WANT TO PROVIDE THE IDEA.

AND SO WE WERE KIND OF TELLING THEM LIKE THE WHOLE PROCESS AND WHERE WE WERE AT.

BUT WE ALSO HIGHLIGHTED THAT THIS WAS LIKE ALSO INCREDIBLY VALUABLE BECAUSE AS, AS, AS YOU KNOW, THE DECISIONS PIE BECOMES SMALLER, THIS IS WHEN THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE, LIKE WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM.

DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? UM, JUST THE TWO.

UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS WERE PRESENTED, WE WERE GATHERING FEEDBACK ON THE INITIAL DRAFT RECOMMENDATION LIST.

SO THOSE WERE THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD OUT AT THOSE EVENTS.

WHOSE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION LIST? THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION LIST THAT CDS HAD SUBMITTED.

SO THE PROJECTS THAT THE COMMUNITY BROUGHT FORWARD THAT IF THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE, THE DRAFT CDS RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR FEEDBACK.

UH, SAY IT AGAIN.

SO IF THE PROJECTS, DID IT MAKE CDSS ORIGINAL DRAFT LIST THAT WOULD THEY, THOSE PROJECTS WEREN'T BROUGHT FORWARD? CORRECT.

THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THAT LIST, THE JULY LIST OR THE JANUARY LIST? JANUARY LIST.

UH, YES.

SO, UM, ON TOP OF THAT, AGAIN, WE DID HAVE THE COMMENT CARDS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO PROVIDE WHATEVER THEY WERE OR NOT SEEING THERE OR NOT.

AND SO WE DID HAVE QUITE A BIT OF FOLKS LIKE WANTING TO PROVIDE THEIR INSIGHTS.

AND SO THAT WAS ALSO ENCAPSULATED IN THAT FORMAT.

EARLY INSIGHTS.

THERE IS A FOLLOW UP REPORT THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER.

WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT READY TO REVIEW BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

BUT PRELIMINARY INSIGHTS FROM THIS IS, AGAIN, WE HAD FIVE EVENTS.

WE HAD ABOUT 206 PEOPLE, UM, ATTEND IN GENERAL, WE HAD ABOUT LIKE 41, 42 PEOPLE ATTEND EACH OF THESE ON AVERAGE.

UM, AND THEN THE EMERGING THEMES THAT POPPED UP WERE LIKE HOUSING, UM, PARKS AND REC FACILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP OF LIKE WHAT EXACTLY OF EACH THAT WILL BE ON THE REPORT BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE INITIAL INSIGHTS JUST GIVE US KEYWORDS, RIGHT? THAT POP UP.

AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THEMES, BUT NOT EXACTLY THE DIRECTION THAT EACH OF THESE, UM, THE, THE, THE EMOTION OR FEELING BEHIND EACH OF THESE TOPICS.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANTED TO BRING TO LIGHT INITIALLY.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I HAVE.

OH, THANK YOU.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

PUBLIC VOTING OR INDICATION OF INTEREST IN PARTICULAR PROJECTS FROM THIS? NO, UH, I, NOT THAT I KNOW OF.

YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET ON THE 31ST AND HOW THAT WOULD INFORM, YOU KNOW, THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING, WILL WE GET PROJECT SPECIFIC FEEDBACK? WILL YOU SAY THE GARRISON POOL OR THIS, YOU KNOW, WILL YOU GIVE US THAT KIND OF DATA SP PROJECT SPECIFIC DATA? OR IS IT GONNA BE MORE GENERAL? YEAH, SO THE SURVEY, SO FOR THIS THIRD PHASE, RIGHT, IT'S BASED ON THE PROJECTS LIST THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES.

AND WE WILL, THE SURVEY KIND OF GUIDES YOU INTO WHAT, UH, COMES TO THE SURFACE FROM THOSE PRIORITIES, RIGHT? PAIRED WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON THE COMMENT CARDS.

THE COMMENT CARDS ARE ALSO MORE, IT'S AN OPEN SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO SAY MORE SPECIFIC WHAT IS IMPORTANT.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE TOO, AS WELL AS ANY THEMES THAT WE SEE RECURRING FROM THE OTHER FACES, RIGHT? INCLUDING CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE HEARD, INCLUDING LIKE THE FIRST SURVEY.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF ARTICULATE LIKE CONSISTENTLY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING ALL ALONG.

AND THEN, UM, THE VERY PROJECT SPECIFICS WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE COMMENT CARDS AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE COMMENTS AND SEE WHAT PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY ARE BEING HIGHLIGHTED THERE.

SO THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE POSTERS THAT WHEN YOU WALKED THROUGH AND PEOPLE PUT DOTS ON THOSE, WE WON'T GET A SENT, WE YOU WON'T TELL US THE TOTALS OF THOSE.

YES, YES.

AND THOSE ARE NOT, THERE WON'T BE NO PROJECTS SPECIFIC TOTALS? NO, IT'S GONNA BE THEMATIC.

IT'S LIKE IT'S TRANSPORTATION AND THEN, UM, I DON'T HAVE IT TOP OF MIND, BUT IT BASICALLY EXPLAINS WHAT THAT INCLUDES.

MM-HMM .

AND SO PEOPLE, AND THEN IT ALSO SAYS LIKE WHAT DISTRICT, ALL DISTRICTS, IT, IT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN WHEN THEY SAY SOMETHING, WHAT IT MEANS, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HIGHLIGHTED WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE DOT EXERCISE.

THEN WE CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND TELL YOU THESE ARE WHERE THE DOTS LANDED ESSENTIALLY.

RIGHT.

PAIRED WITH THE COMMON CARDS.

SO SOMEONE MAY SAY LIKE, OH, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AND FIND IT HERE.

BUT ALSO ON THE COMMENTS PEOPLE ARE SAYING LIKE VERY SPECIFIC, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REALLY, UH, ADVOCATING FOR.

SO WE JUST, JUST TO SET EXPECTATIONS FOR WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS.

WE AREN'T GONNA GET

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RIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THE SURVEY AND THE PRO AND THE DOT EXERCISE AND THE COMMON CARD SYSTEMS. OKAY.

BUT YOU ARE GIVING US THE RESULTS FROM THE DOT EXERCISES, RIGHT? YES.

AND THOSE ARE FOR PARTICULAR PROJECTS.

SO I THINK WE'RE NOT, THE ANSWER IS YES.

WE WILL GET WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

RIGHT? WELL EXCEPT FOR POOLS, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S JUST A PROJECT.

BUT IT'S ALL THE POOLS.

OH, OKAY.

SORRY.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, THE DOT EXERCISE IS NOT LIKE A SPECIFIC PROJECT, RIGHT? SORRY, THAT'S ALL.

WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR.

BUT LIKE ON TRANSPORTATION FOR EXAMPLE, WE'LL HAVE MORE DETAIL.

IT'LL BE LIKE BIKE LANES VERSUS STREET REPAIR.

AND YOU WILL SEE IN COMPARISON TO OTHER, OTHER, UM, AREAS HOW, UM, TRANSPORTATION FARED.

RIGHT? AND THEN MORE SPECIFICALLY, IF THERE ARE COMMON CARDS THAT SAY VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS AROUND THAT, YOU WILL SEE THOSE AS WELL.

SO YOU'LL HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC COMMENTS.

OH WAIT, SO ARE WE GONNA SEE JUST HOW TRANSPORTATION FARED? ARE WE GONNA SEE LIKE NO, NO, YOU'LL SEE ALL OF OF THEM.

I'M SEE TRANSPORTATION AS AN EXAMPLE.

NO, BUT I'M, I, I'M FOLLOWING UP ON LUKE'S SQUISHED AND 'CAUSE ARE WE GONNA SEE WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WANT, YOU KNOW, BIKE LINES OR SIDEWALKS MORE, OR THAT IS IN THE SURVEY? YES.

SO IN THE SURVEY THERE'LL BE THAT INFORMATION.

WE'VE TAKEN THOSE, WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION, UH, ABOUT PRIORITIES.

AND FROM THAT DOT EXERCISE WE DID, WE DO SEE, UM, WHERE THE PRIORITIES, UM, LAY IN EACH DIFFERENT EVENT THAT WE DID.

SO THERE IS SOME DETAIL, UH, BASED ON THE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES ON INSIDE OF THOSE DIFFERENT PROGRAMMATIC BUCKETS.

AND WE'LL GET ALL THE RAW COMMENTS FROM THE COMMON CARDS.

OTHER QUESTIONS, JASMINE? RICH, THE QUESTION THAT MOST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROFESSIONALS HATE TO BE ASKED IS WHAT WAS YOUR RESPONSE RATE OR HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED FOR EACH OF THE EVENTS FOR, DO YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF LIKE, UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE ENGAGEMENT, UH, FOR THIS SPECIFIC OPEN HOUSES OR CORRECT.

SO WE HAD AVERAGE ABOUT 41, 42 PEOPLE PER MEETING.

I BELIEVE THE ONLINE VIRTUAL VERSION HAD ABOUT 61 ATTENDEES.

MM-HMM .

UM, ALL THAT WILL BE IN THE REPORT, BUT ABOUT AROUND 41, 42 PEOPLE ATTENDED ON AVERAGE THE, THE OPEN HOUSES.

THANKS.

OTHER QUESTIONS, ANNA? I JUST WONDERED, ARE Y'ALL GONNA HAVE ANY DEMOGRAPHIC DATA? LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, SPANISH, UH, SURVEYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE THEY GET? MM-HMM .

ANY KIND? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.

UM, IT WILL HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT I'M GIVING RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, AND ALSO COMPREHENSIVELY LIKE THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THROUGH, THROUGH THIS YEAR OF LIKE CONNECTING WITH FOLKS AT DIFFERENT STAGES.

AND DID YOU MAKE AN ACCOMMODATION SINCE YOU GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM CHILDREN? YEAH.

DID THAT GET ADDED THEN AFTER THE FACT? NO.

UM, THERE WAS, I CALLED HER MY LITTLE OUTLIER.

THERE WAS ONE GIRL WHO REALLY WANTED TO DO THAT.

AND SO, UM, I DID REMOVE HER POINTS AT THE END 'CAUSE SHE'S NOT, UH, OF AGE OR VOTER, BUT IT DID GIVE ME INSIGHTS INTO HOW WE CAN CONNECT WITH YOUNG AUDIENCES IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THEIR, THEIR INSIGHTS.

FRANCIS, UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT TOGETHER FOR US AND I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE THAT.

I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD KIND OF GET IT ON THAT DATE THAT YOU ALL KIND OF UPSET JUST BECAUSE I THINK THIS NEXT PART THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN ONE OF THE LATER AGENDA ITEMS, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GOOD FOR THIS BODY TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT BEFORE WE START REALLY GETTING DOWN TO JUST GETTING MORE COMMUNITY INPUT AS WE MAKE THE PACKET THE RECOMMENDED PACKAGE.

SO, OKAY.

JC UH, WE'VE RECEIVED SOME VERY STRONG ADVOCACY FROM THE HOUSING COMMUNITY HERE REPEATEDLY.

UM, I WAS WONDERING WHETHER YOUR OPEN HOUSES TOOK ANY ACCOUNT OF WHETHER FOLKS WERE UNDUPLICATED OR WHETHER THEY MAY HAVE SHOWN UP AT DIFFERENT EVENTS TO VOICE THEIR OPINION SEVERAL TIMES.

SOUNDS LIKE, UM, YOU MEAN IF WE DID ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE, UH, TO COUNTER DUPLICATION OF ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES.

IS THAT WHAT THE QUESTION WAS? UH, YES.

WE'VE DONE SEVERAL DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF, UM, ELIMINATION OF DUPLICATES.

ANY KIND OF COMMENTS? YEAH, SO, UM, ESPECIALLY LIKE ON THE SURVEY, WE'RE ABLE TO SEE LIKE WHERE THAT FEEDBACK IS COMING FROM ZIP CODE WISE AND LIKE MORE SPECIFICALLY.

UM, BUT OF COURSE WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK UP EVERY SINGLE TIME.

THAT IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME AND TO TELL US EVERY, EVERY TIME THERE IS LIKE A DIFFERENT ANGLE TO THEIR COMMENTS.

SO WE DO CAPTURE ALL THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE?

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NOT SEEING ANY.

CAN YOU SAY AGAIN THE DATE THAT WE SHOULD GET THAT REPORT? THE 31ST? THANK YOU.

OKAY, ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION OF THE REVISED AND UPDATED WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[3. Discussion of the revised and updated Working Group recommendations.]

SO AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE, UH, AGREED AS A GROUP THAT WE WOULD HAVE EACH OF THE WORKING GROUPS GO BACK, DO A SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, UM, RECOMMENDATION USING 15%, 20%, 25% OF THE TOTAL OF 750 MILLION TO COME UP WITH PACKAGES.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I ONLY GOT ONE RESPONSE, SO WE ARE NOT GONNA TAKE THAT ITEM UP TODAY WITHOUT THE INFORMATION.

WE CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH WITH IT.

I GOT ONE REPORT THAT HAS THE INFORMATION, SO WE WILL, UM, POTENTIALLY HAVE TO ADD A MEETING IN MAY, BUT WITHOUT THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY, UM, HELPFUL CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

SO I WILL, UH, TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

UM, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR.

DID YOU DID I DID NOT SEND YOU MINE.

I'M SORRY.

BUT I DID SEND IT IN, UM, TODAY.

YEAH, YEAH.

THE IDEA WAS WE WOULD HAVE THEM ALL BY LIKE CLASS WEDNESDAY.

OH, SORRY.

PUT 'EM TOGETHER SO WE COULD SEE AS A YEAH, WE HAD TROUBLE WITH OUR GROUP NOT HAVING, I, NO, I GUESS SPRING BREAK WAS HARD, BUT I THINK JUST WHEN WE'RE GONNA SIT AS A GROUP SEEING THE TOTAL, OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE HARD TO, TO DO.

SO I WOULD, UM, PLEASE REQUEST THAT YOU GET THOSE WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE TO ME BY FRIDAY.

THAT WAY I CAN ASSEMBLE, COLLATE, SEND OUT TO EVERYBODY THE TOTALS.

THAT'LL GIVE YOU A WEEK, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THINK OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THAT MAYBE WE COULD GET ANSWERED IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE COME FULLY, YOU KNOW, PREPARED WITH ALL, HOPEFULLY A LOT OF QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND WE CAN DIVE IN.

SO UNLESS SOMEONE RAISES THEIR HAND RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS FRIDAY'S IMPOSSIBLE, I'LL HOPEFULLY I'LL GET THAT BY FRIDAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? JUST, UH, YES, WHETHER IT'S SMALL, MEDIUM OR LARGE OR ANYTHING.

DO WE HAVE THE STORM WATER NUMBERS AT ALL YET, ANNA? YES, BUT I DIDN'T GET 'EM TO HER SUPPOSED TO EVERY, YEAH, I, I'VE ONLY GOTTEN PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE ENTRANCES.

YEAH, YOUR MASTER SPREADSHEET FROM LAST TIME I THOUGHT WAS SUPER HELPFUL.

YES, BUT IT'S STILL MISSING.

IT WAS MISSING SMALL BEAM LARGE FROM A HANDFUL.

AND THEN WHEN WE MET LAST TIME, WE DECIDED TO KIND OF IDENTIFY WHAT SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE MEANT.

RIGHT.

NO, I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, UH, THAT'S THE BIG HOLE IN THE IS IS STORM WATER FROM BEING ABLE TO START TO TRY AND PUT TOGETHER.

AGREED.

AND WE HAD SOME HOLES, SO, UM, BUT I THINK I, UM, I THINK HAVING ALL THAT INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE, AND I'LL PUT IT TOGETHER IN THAT SAME FORMAT, WHICH I, AND THEN ALSO I ASK THAT IF YOU HAVE, UM, CAN IDENTIFY THE PRIORITY PROJECTS IF THAT'S NOT ALREADY PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION, THAT WAY THOSE OF US WHO GET IT A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME, WE CAN START LOOKING AT THOSE PROJECTS AS WE'RE GONNA START, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THOSE DECISIONS.

AND THEN ALSO ANY POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT GO ALONG WITH THEM, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO START TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

WHEN YOU SAY POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, IT WOULD, THAT IT'S ONLY WE'RE MISSING TO THE EXTENT THAT POLICY, UM, MY IMPACT ON WHAT'S ULTIMATELY SUBMITTED.

UM, ONE OF THE DILEMMAS THAT I HAD WAS, UM, IN MY WORKING GROUP, CARVER RAISED AS SORT OF AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN TERMS OF ESSENTIAL NEEDS ACROSS THE GROUPS, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS EFFICIENT, RIGHT? IT WAS READY TO GO.

DOES IT REQUIRE FTE IMPACT? MM-HMM .

ARE YOU, IS IT POLICY AS IT CONCERNS? BECAUSE I GO BACK TO THE DECISION MAKING MATRIX, RIGHT? YES.

IF IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE BUDGET, IT COULD CHANGE THOSE RESULTS.

SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR OVERRIDING POLICY STATEMENTS WHERE THE COUNCIL COULD RECONSIDER PROJECTS BASED UPON POLICY DIRECTION? NO, THAT WAS, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS WHAT I HAD IN MIND.

I WAS THINKING THAT TO THE EXTENT SOMETHING ISN'T IDENTIFIABLE IN, LIKE WE'RE GIVING A BUCKET OF MONEY FOR A PROGRAM, AND THEN SOMETIMES YOU'D HAVE PRIORITY PROJECTS, YOU COULD TELL WE WOULD, HERE'S YOUR BUCKET.

WE THINK THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES.

ALONG WITH THAT, HOW ABOUT LOOKING AT FUNDING IN THESE OTHER WAYS? LIKE OTHER WAYS TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE POLICY RECOMMENDATION MAY, MAY BE LIKE, CAN YOU LOOK INTO A, YOU KNOW, A MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OR SOMETHING JUST A, YOU KNOW, A ANOTHER WAY OF THAT'S JUST AN IDEA, BUT JUST IT GIVES YOU, GIVES THEM ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IDEAS HAVE COME UP IN THESE WORKING GROUPS THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE PUT IN A BUCKET IN A PRIORITY PROJECT.

SO WE WANNA CAPTURE ALL THAT RICH.

CREATE COSTS THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE FUND OR AUGMENTED BY A GEO RATHER THAN JUST FULL ON, UM, COST RECOVERY THROUGH, THROUGH THAT FEE.

TO, UH, TO TASK MEMBER CONLEY'S QUESTION.

I KNOW WE WERE USING IT IN THE PARKLAND, IN THE WATERSHED ONE TO REALLY LOOK AT FEES AND POLICIES THAT REALLY, UM,

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OR THE FACT THAT BECAUSE WE, MAYBE WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT POLICY IN PLACE THAT FORGOES THAT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, COLLECTION OF MONIES OR PUTTING THAT IMPROVEMENT BY THE, WE'LL SAY IN THIS CASE A DEVELOPER THAT IF THEY DO IT, THEN THAT'S, WE'RE PREVENTING FUTURE COSTS.

UM, THIS REALLY GOES HAND IN HAND A LOT WITH ON THE WATERSHED SIDE, BUT NOT ENTIRELY WATERSHED.

AND SO LOOKING FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT INCLUDING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, WHETHER IT IS A, THERE'S PROJECTS THAT ARE, UM, GOOD FOR A TURS OR A PIT OR AN MMD OR FOR SOME OTHER ARRANGEMENT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE LAYERED FINANCING TO ACCOMPLISH A P THREE.

ON TO ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION OF THE PROCESS FOR DETERMINING THE BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.

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[4. Discussion of the process for determining the Bond Election Advisory Task Force recommendations.]

SO WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, THE IDEA OF A, UM, KIND OF HOW DO WE GO FROM WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE NEXT TIME, WHICH IS THIS MASTER LIST OF HIGH, MEDIUM, LOW FROM EACH OF THE WORKING GROUPS AND OUR NUMBERS TO HOW DO WE GET IT TO A FINAL PLACE? AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT A FACILITATION PROCESS AND UM, I THINK WE WANNA TAKE THAT UP AGAIN TODAY.

I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHAT HARD TO DO THAT, UH, WITHOUT THE, THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEMSELVES, BUT I TRUST THAT, UH, MY, MY COLLEAGUE, UM, FRANCIS WILL BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH A FACILITATION PROCESS AND, AND WE WANT FEEDBACK.

UM, AND ALSO JUST TO KIND OF, UM, TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE GOING.

SO WE WILL, THE TWO MEETINGS IN APRIL, THE IDEA WOULD BE THOSE TWO MEETINGS IN APRIL.

WE WORK THROUGH THE LIST AND WE COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION SO THAT ON THAT FINAL MEETING, THE MAY 4TH MEETING, WE ARE JUST HERE TO APPROVE A LIST THAT WE'VE WORKED UP.

THAT DEPENDS ON HOW WE DO IN APRIL.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT GOES.

UH, I ANTICIPATE MAYBE THE NEXT MEETING, UM, WE MIGHT BE LATER THAN TWO HOURS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

AND WE PUT POTENTIALLY PUT THE MAY 18TH MEETING BACK ON THE CALENDAR.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT IN CASE, IN CASE WE'RE, UM, STRUGGLING TO, TO COME TO A CONCLUSION BY THE END OF THE 20 APRIL 27TH MEETING.

FRANCIS.

A CLOSER TO A 50 50 SPLIT, WE SUR SURFACE CONCERNS AND DISCUSS TRADE-OFFS LIKE WHERE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE SPLIT AND THEN WHERE THERE'S A CLEAR, IF THIS HAPPENS, I DON'T, I THINK WITH 750 MILLION WE MIGHT NOT GET THERE, BUT WE MIGHT WHERE THERE'S A CLEAR NOT SENSE OF A MAJORITY, WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE WANNA TAKE SOME OF THAT PROJECT AND PUT IT INTO A PARKING LOT WHERE WE TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE FEEL LIKE THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS.

AND I HAVE WRITTEN OUT THIS FACILITATION PLAN.

AND SO EVEN SINCE WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING TODAY, THIS ACTUALLY GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THROUGH IT TODAY.

AND THEN I COULD EMAIL IT OUT THROUGH NICOLE SO THAT IF WE WANTED TO HAVE MORE FEEDBACK BEFORE, UM, WE DISCUSS, AND I DID CREATE, UM, THIS FACILITATION PLAN WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE FUNDING BREAKDOWNS OF 15%, 20%, AND THE 25%, WHICH JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS OUT LOUD, THAT'S 112.5 MILLION, 150 MILLION AND THEN ONE A HUNDRED EIGHTY SEVEN $0.5 MILLION.

UM, AND SO THE IDEA IS LIKE KIND OF A, I WANNA SAY THIS IS LIKE A THREE STEP PROCESS.

UM, AND IT'S THE IDEA THAT WE WILL TAKE THOSE BUCKETS AND, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS TO DO IT, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND US DOING IS THAT EACH B TIFF MEMBER FROM A WORKING GROUP, UM, BASED ON THOSE, AFTER YOU ALL DO THAT WORK AND, AND SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY DONE IT, I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR BTIF MEMBERS TO SELECT ONE OR TWO PROJECTS FROM EACH WORKING GROUP THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED SO THAT EACH UH, WORKING GROUP MEMBER HAS, UM, PICKS THE GROUP AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A MUST HAVE.

AND THEN IN THAT WE'RE, AFTER WE KIND OF HAVE THAT, THOSE PROJECTS SELECTED, I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, IF WE NEED TO, TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE SELECTION CRITERIA NOW AS A WHOLE, RIGHT? LIKE NOW THAT WE'RE OUTSIDE OF OUR WORKING GROUPS, RIGHT? THINKING ABOUT THE SET, UH, SELECTION CRITERIA AS A GROUP.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE GROUPS, THE PROJECTS THAT EVERYONE SELECTED, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAMS TOO, THE PROJECTS AND THE PROGRAMS, AND LOOK AT IT FROM A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF IT.

AND THEN WITH THE SELECTION CRITERIA.

AND THEN THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS THE PART THAT IF IT WAS NICE IF WE WEREN'T DOING THIS OURSELVES AND WE HAD LIKE A EXTERNAL FACILITATOR, BUT IN MY MIND, BASED ON THE MEMBERS' IDEAS, WE WOULD HAVE A MOCK $750 MILLION PACKAGE.

LIKE WE JUST HAVE TO CREATE ONE, RIGHT? AND I, I'M WILLING TO PUT THAT TOGETHER BASED ON THE FEEDBACK.

AND THEN THE IDEA IS THAT BASED ON THAT, UM, IDEA WE WALK THROUGH WITH AN INFORMAL VOTE, JUST LIKE DO WE, LIKE, DO WE NOT LIKE OF THE TEMPERATURE OF THE PACKAGE AND WHERE, AND WE GO THROUGH EACH PROJECT OR PROGRAM THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE PACKAGE.

AND THE IDEA IS WE WOULD NOTE WHERE THE MAJORITY EXISTS, RIGHT? AND THEN WHERE THERE'S MORE LIKE

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AND I, AND THE REASON WHY I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT IS THAT WHEN WE PUT IN A MOCK PACKAGE TOGETHER, WE MIGHT FIND OURSELVES THINKING ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T THERE AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THAT MOCK GRA UH, THAT MOCK DRAFT AND BE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE I, I SEE THIS PROJECT, BUT I THINK SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ON THIS MOCK SEVEN 50 IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR ME.

RIGHT? AND SO I DO THINK NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING FROM A WORKING GROUP COLLECTIVE, WE REALLY HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE AS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE ULTIMATELY WILL HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT, RIGHT? AND SO ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN I THINK THE LAST PIECE OF THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE WHAT'S NOT ON THE LIST THAT PEOPLE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO AT THIS POINT REALLY TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER AND WE CAN'T, AND I MEAN WE'RE ALL ADULTS, WE CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING, RIGHT? SO WE'D ONLY THEN BRING UP PROJECTS THAT ARE ON, ON, ON THAT MACH SEVEN 50 THAT WERE LIKE, WE WILL, WE WILL, OUR STOMACH WILL HURT IF WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THERE.

AND THEN CAPTURE THOSE PROJECTS RAISED.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN I THINK THE IDEAS, SO THAT, I THINK ALL OF THAT KIND OF NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT MIGHT TAKE US MORE THAN TWO HOURS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I THINK WE, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE DONE THE FIRST PART OF GETTING YOU ALL'S IDEAS, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE TO THAT LIVE AND IN PERSON, WHICH I SHOULD, WE'LL HAVE THE STUFF SET UP TO DO THAT.

SO THEN THE NEXT MEETING WE KIND OF HAVE ANOTHER MOCK, AND IN MY MIND WE MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE SINCE WE'VE HAD A REALLY ROBUST CONVERSATION AND THEN KIND OF DO SOMETHING MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE SCALED DOWN IN THE SECOND WEEKEND IN APRIL.

UM, AND SO THAT'S GENERALLY THIS IDEA OF US TRYING TO PUT OUR STAKES IN THE GROUND.

GO AHEAD.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

I JUST WANT, SO YOU'RE SAYING WE ARE KIND OF FACILITATING A BUILD OFF ONE OF THE SCENARIOS AND WE KIND OF DECIDE, GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WHICH PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT WE COULD NOT LIVE WITH.

WILL IT BE THE MORE HIGHER END VERSION OR THE LOWER END VERSION OR? I DON'T, SO ONE OF THE, SO THIS IS, THIS IS, I THINK THIS IS GOOD DISCUSSION FOR WHAT WE HAPPENED AT THE LAST MEETING.

I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS, AND ANYONE ELSE CAN CHIME, I THINK THE REASON WHY WE ASKED THE GROUPS TO GO BACK AND DO THE 15, 20 AND 25% AS A GROUP IS BECAUSE AT THIS POINT YOU MIGHT WANNA PICK A PROJECT THAT'S IN THE 25%.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO START DECIDING.

I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN'T KEEP PICKING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IS REALLY SEEING WHERE PEOPLE IN THE WORKING GROUPS WHO'VE DONE THE WORK REALLY FIND THEMSELVES PICKING PROJECTS.

I MEAN THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE WANTED TO DO THE BREAKDOWN.

SO 'CAUSE 'CAUSE I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT WE'VE BEEN NARROWING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT PART.

NO, I THINK THAT'S FINE.

BUT I THINK I'D LOVE TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ON IT.

I THINK WE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.

MOST PEOPLE ARE, SO IT TAKES TIME TO DIGEST.

BUT I THINK, UM, YEAH.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON, YEAH, YOU CAN CALL IN FOLKS SINCE YOU'RE JC UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY AGAIN FOR ME HOW THE FIRST STEP WORKS WITH THE CHOOSING TWO PER BUCKET AND HOW THAT GETS REPRESENTED AS TO ALL OF US AS A WHOLE? YEAH.

SO I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD KIND OF LIKE GO AROUND AND KIND OF HEAR FROM EACH PERSON A CO A PROJECT OR A PROGRAM OF PROJECTS.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS IDEA OF WHEN IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAMMATIC, I THINK IT'S THIS IDEA OF KIND OF COMING UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

I MEAN, WE, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY DO THE FULL AMOUNT.

SO THEN I, I THINK THIS IS IDEA LIKE IF, YOU KNOW, ONE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS FOR A PARTICULAR PROGRAM, LIKE WHAT'S THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU THINK SHOULD FIT? AND THAT'S THIS IDEA OF LIKE WHY THE 15, 20 AND 25% KIND OF MATTERS IS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF THINKING WITH YOUR WORKING GROUP AS A GOOD NUMBER.

AND SO, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FOLLOWING.

SO WE EACH, WE GO AROUND THE TABLE, WE EACH NAME A PROJECT OR TWO PROJECTS OR HOW MANY PROJECTS IN THE WORKING IN YOUR PARTICULAR WORKING GROUP? THE WORKING GROUPS THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN? YES.

AND THEY WANT TO SAY, TALK ABOUT THE CARVER.

BECAUSE, OKAY, SO I I, MAYBE I'LL SAY IT LIKE THIS.

YOU ALL BEEN WORKING COLLECTIVELY ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS A WORKING GROUP.

AND SO THIS NEXT STEP IS ASKING WHAT YOU AS A B TIFF MEMBER IS RECOMMENDING SPECIFICALLY AROUND ONE OR TWO PROJECTS FROM OUR WORKING GROUP ONLY.

WELL, I THINK THE IDEA IS YES, THAT'S THE BASE, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSION TO ADD.

THAT'S WHY WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO THE FULL DISCUSSION, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BRING IN THINGS OUTSIDE OF YOUR WORKING GROUP.

I THINK THIS IS JUST THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A GOOD REASONABLE WAY TO GET TO A MOCK SEVEN 50, BUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY START AND HAVE THE, THE FULL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SEVEN 50, SAY FOR INSTANCE SOMEONE WHO'S NOT ON THE PARKLAND

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I THINK THAT THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, START TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THEIR WORKING GROUP.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE LIKE A A M SEVEN 50 TO START WITH, FOR THEN US TO START SAYING LIKE, IN THIS MACH SEVEN 50, WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT SAY MAYBE 60% OF IT AND THAT LAST 40% WE MIGHT WANNA TALK ABOUT AND MOVE THINGS AROUND.

IT'S REALLY, I AND I, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, WE JUST HAVE TO KIND OF THINK OF WHAT THE BUCKET OF SEVEN 50 IS.

AND THIS IS JUST ONE WAY, WHICH IS WHY I'M SAYING WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSIONS.

'CAUSE THE IDEA IS LIKE, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO GET TO A M SEVEN 50? I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO IT, BUT THIS IS JUST ONE WAY TO DO THAT QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

UM, THANK YOU FOR PLAYING OUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE NEED SOMETHING AND I, I WORRY LIKE IN, IN THE TRANSPORTATION WORK GROUP NEED, UH, I WORRY ON THE TRANSPORTATION WORK GROUP THAT EVERYONE WILL VOTE FOR EITHER SIDEWALKS OR URBAN TRAILS, EVEN THOUGH WE ALL AGREE WE CAN'T NOT HAVE BRIDGE REPAIR AND, AND SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE OTHER CRITICAL ITEMS. AND SO, AND MY WORRY IS THAT THE SEVEN 50 WILL LEAVE OUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT OUR WORK GROUPS HAVE AGREED OR MAYBE ARE NOT OUR FAVORITE.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE DESSERT, BUT IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE VEGETABLES THAT WE, THE CITY NEEDS.

WELL THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO, I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING A SURVEY, THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK WE NEEDED TO DO A SURVEY.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO IT TOGETHER.

SO LIKE IF, SO IF PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING, THEN YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO SAY THE SAME THING OR SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO YOU SAY, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES TOGETHER, BUT THAT'S JUST THE THINKING OF IT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THAT I, I MEAN I HOPE EVERYONE IN THE, BUT HOW WOULD THAT, SO IF, IF WE ALL VOTE FOR 80 MILLION FOR SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER, SEVEN 50 WON'T INCLUDE A LOT OF THESE OTHER THINGS.

WELL, WELL, SO THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A VOTE, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE WE'RE GONNA SIT AND LISTEN, I'M GONNA FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION AND I'M GONNA PUT A SEVEN 50 BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE JUST HAVING, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'LL BE NICE IF WE HAD A FACILITATOR THAT I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT TOGETHER BASED ON THE FULL DISCUSSION.

SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT YOUR WHY.

UM, BUT I, I DOUBT THAT EVERYONE HAS THE EXACT SAME OPINION.

NO, BUT I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF MUST HAVE.

LIKE I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S GONNA VOTE FOR STREET REPAIR, UM, IN OUR WORK GROUP, EVEN THOUGH I THINK A LOT OF US RECOGNIZE WE PROBABLY NEED TO PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS STREET REPAIR.

WELL THEN I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE WORK THAT THE, LIKE TO ME, SOME OF THE PROJECT IN MY HEAD, I DIDN'T SAY THIS PART.

I DO THINK THAT THE NAMED ONE OR TWO PROJECTS SHOULD BE COMING FROM EITHER THE 15%, THE 20%, OR THE 25%.

BECAUSE YOU AS A WORKING GROUP HAVE DECIDED THAT IF YOU ONLY GOT THAT 15%, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'D RECOMMEND.

IF YOU ONLY GOT 20%, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS YOU RECOMMEND.

SO I JUST, I DID FORGET TO SAY THAT I'M THINKING THAT THE RECOMMENDED PROJECTS FROM THE INDIVIDUAL SHOULD ONLY BE COMING FROM THE WORKING GROUPS DECIDED 15, 20, AND 25%.

AND, AND I KNOW THIS IS GONNA MAKE OUR STOMACH HURT.

YOU GOTTA LET EVERYTHING ELSE GO OR WE'LL NEVER GET TO A PACKAGE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THERE WERE QUESTIONS BEFORE ME FIRST.

I THINK THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO KIND OF PREEMPT IS PEOPLE DECIDING THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE MOST PASSIONATE ABOUT.

LIKE I REALIZE YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP US GET TO A NUMBER, WHICH WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO.

UM, I THINK I SHARE LUKE'S CONCERN, MAYBE IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SAME ITEM, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE THIS APPROACH KIND OF HAS THE SAME SORT OF DOWNFALL OF LIKE IN GENERAL OUR, OUR VOTING.

LIKE WE DON'T HAVE RANKS RANK CHOICE VOTING.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE THE, THE THINGS THAT THE MOST PEOPLE CAN KIND OF AGREE ON MAYBE GET LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE TOP FOR SOMEBODY.

UM, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THESE THREE PACKAGES SO THAT WE COULD START WITH THE, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS THE 20% NUMBER RIGHT WOULD BE JUST EQUAL.

AND THEN MAYBE WE COULD GO FROM THERE AND SAY LIKE MORE LIKE WHAT WOULD WE WANNA TRADE OFF FROM ONE TO THE OTHER AS OPPOSED TO LIKE, SO MORE ABOUT LIKE, CUTTING DOWN ON SOMETHING OR ELIMINATING SOMETHING IN ORDER TO BRING SOMETHING ELSE IN AND, AND HAVE THOSE KIND OF MOTIONS CONSIDERED OR IDEAS.

YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT FORMAL MOTIONS, UM, I THINK I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT THAN JUST PICKING ONE OR TWO PROJECTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I'M SERVING ON THREE WORKING GROUPS, SO BY NATURE THAT MEANS, UH, I DON'T EVEN GET TO PICK SOMETHING FROM EACH GROUP, WHICH MAYBE I WOULDN'T.

NO, I DID, I DID PUT THAT NO, YOU WOULD PICK TWO FROM EACH GROUP.

CONTINUE.

SORRY.

YEAH, YEAH.

ANYWAY, I, I GUESS I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE MAYBE UTILIZE THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN DOING, UM, AND START WITH THAT 20% AND MORE.

DO A TRADING OR, UM, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THAT IS DRAWING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.

I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY AN OPTION.

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BUT IF YOU ALL FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE 20%, THEN THAT COULD BE THE MOCK.

THAT COULD BE THE MOCK.

BUT I, I, I DO THINK THAT VERSUS US DOING THE 20, I JUST WANNA GIVE EVERYONE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THEY CARE ABOUT.

I MEAN, THIS IS THE TIME IN WHICH THE PURPOSE OF YOU SERVING ON THE COMMITTEE IS TO PUT.

AND SO I THINK IF WE AGREE TO DO THE 20%, I FEEL GOOD, BUT I STILL WAS THINKING AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, THIS IS REALLY THE BEST AND ONLY TIME AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE HARDER AND HARDER FOR EVERYONE TO GIVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL OPINION ABOUT THE WORKING GROUP STUFF.

'CAUSE LIKE, LIKE RIGHT, EVERYONE HASN'T REALLY SPOKE ON THE WORKING GROUP.

THEY'VE KIND OF HAD THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.

AND SO I STILL WAS TRYING TO LEAVE A LITTLE ROOM FOR THAT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T, THAT WAS JUST MY THINKING BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE GETTING TOWARDS THE END AND THIS WOULD IN MY MIND WOULD KIND OF BE THAT FINAL TIME FOR LIKE EACH MEMBER TO SAY LIKE, THIS IS REALLY, AND I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO HAVE IT SO THAT WHEN WE'RE HAVING MORE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS WE CAN KIND OF POINT BACK TO WHAT MEMBERS WERE KIND OF SAYING.

SO THAT'S THAT.

JUST WANNA GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF MY THINKING IN THAT.

TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.

AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING AROUND, I GUESS I JUST THINK IT WOULD, UM, SAYING I WANT SOMETHING IS EASY SAYING, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UH, YOU KNOW, 10 MILLION HERE AND TAKE IT FROM HERE.

THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT BUT ALSO MORE USEFUL I THINK.

GROUP THAT IS DUE BY FRIDAY.

UM, I LIKE THAT IDEA.

I THINK THE EXERCISE OF DOING THE 15, 20, 25 PREPARES US FOR THAT CONVERSATION.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE STARTING AT 20 AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU NOW HAVE DONE THE WORK TO SAY, WELL WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF I'M ONLY AT 15? OR WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN I'M AT 25? AND SO WE'RE, WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE'VE IDENTIFIED PROJECTS THAT FIT IN THOSE BUCKETS BETWEEN EVERYONE.

YOU'VE BASICALLY SUMMARIZED WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY FIVE MINUTES AGO.

GREAT, BUT THAT'S HOW I'M APPROACHING IT IS IF KIND OF THE NEUTRAL IS 20%, EVERYONE'S MEDIUM IS THE STARTING POINT.

AND THEN I LOOK AT ONE CATEGORY, WHICH MIGHT NOT EVEN BE A WORKING GROUP THAT I'VE BEEN ON, BUT I SAY, YEAH, I REALLY FEEL THIS NEEDS TO BE BUMPED UP TO, TO 25.

THAT MEANS I'M GOING TO HAVE TO REDUCE ANOTHER ONE TO IT'S 15.

OR YOU KNOW, KIND OF THINKING ABOUT SLIDERS IS WHERE MY BRAIN IS GOING.

IF I'M SLIDING ONE UP, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SLIDE ONE DOWN TO STAY UNDER OUR CAP AND KIND OF WEIGHING OUT THAT CONVERSATION.

AND THAT I THINK ALLOWS FOR THE, THE BUCKETS WHEN I SAY I WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THIS CATEGORY, UM, WHICH ALIGNS WITH WHAT STAFF KIND OF WAS THINKING OF CATEGORY MONEY, UH, BECAUSE SUCH FUNDING WOULD ALLOW THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND POSSIBLY EVEN THIS ONE NAME PROJECT THAT I'M REALLY HOPING FOR.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

LIKE IF YOU DO THIS MIX THAT I'M, I'M THINKING YOU COULD GET THIS TYPE OF STUFF DONE.

SO, SO WHAT I'M HEARING THAT, AND I I THINK THIS COULD, THIS WORKS JUST FINE.

LIKE, BECAUSE WHAT WILL THUS THEN TAKE THAT 20%, MAKE THAT THE MOCK PACKAGE, RIGHT? AND THEN WE COULD STILL DO THE SAME THING THAT I WAS SUGGESTING, RIGHT? WE WOULD GO THROUGH EACH PART AND VOTE INFORMALLY, SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE COMPLETELY ALIGNED, SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE MAYBE 50 50 SPLIT AND THEN SEE WHERE LIKE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, THIS IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND STILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION BE THE EXACT SAME.

AND HONESTLY, THIS WOULD TAKE LESS TIME THAN US SHARING OUR INDIVIDUAL THOUGHTS.

, GO AHEAD.

NO, I DON'T WANNA GO.

UM, I, I FORGET WE, LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA OF, OF ALL VOTING INDEPENDENTLY WHAT PERCENTAGE WE THOUGHT WOULD, BUT THEN SOMEHOW, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE VOTED THAT DOWN IN FAVOR OF THIS OR THAT JUST GOT TABLED, BUT I'D, I'D LIKE TO REVISIT THAT IDEA.

UM, UH, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US A GOOD SENSE OF WHERE THE GROUP'S AT IN ORDER AT LEAST TO KNOW BIG PICTURE, HOW MUCH FOR STORM WATER, HOW MUCH FOR TRANSPORTATION, ET CETERA.

UM, AND THEN WE AVERAGE THAT OUT.

UM, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE 20% APPROACH.

BUT IT'D BE HELPFUL JUST TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, TO THE RANK CHOICE, RANK CHOICE, VOTING APPROACH.

IF WE COULD EVEN GO EVEN MORE IN GREATER DETAIL AND JUST SAY EACH OF US, YOU HAVE 700 MILLION TO SPEND, HOW WOULD YOU SPEND IT? AND WE AVERAGE THAT OUT JUST TO SEE WHERE THE GROUP'S AT.

AND THAT PROBABLY THAT'S GONNA NOT BE AT ALL WHAT WE ULTIMATELY DO, BUT IT'D BE HELPFUL TO JUST GET A SENSE OF UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT EVERYONE THINKS AND WHAT THE AVERAGE WOULD BE.

YOU WERE VIRTUAL, BUT I THINK THERE WERE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE ROOM THAT DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT IDEA.

I THINK THEY FELT LIKE JUST DOING IT BASED ON THE TOPICS WASN'T ENOUGH.

BUT I THINK THIS IDEA OF TAKING THE 20% FROM EACH, I THINK WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING THOUGH, RIGHT? WE'RE GIVING EVERYONE THE EQUAL WEIGHT AT FIRST AND THEN WE'RE GONNA START HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD WANNA MOVE THINGS UP AND DOWN.

I THINK WE'RE STILL KIND OF DOING THAT.

SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT I'M HEARING FOR THE MAJORITY, AND I THINK IF YOU ARE NOT AGREEING TO THIS, IS THE IDEA THAT WE CREATE A MOCK PACKAGE OFF THE 25 PER 20% FROM EACH WORKING

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AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL HAVE PUT IT TOGETHER SO EVERYONE CAN VIEW IT AND THEN I CAN KIND OF FACILITATE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, WHERE WE'RE SPLIT IN THE MIDDLE.

AND I THINK THE BEING SPLIT IN THE MIDDLE IS REALLY THE KIND OF THE TOUGHEST CONVERSATION.

'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TRADE-OFFS AND KIND OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, DECIDING HOW TO MOVE THAT AROUND.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF WE DO HAVE SOME THAT WHERE THERE ISN'T A STRONG, UM, UH, FAVOR FOR, IT'S ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T ON THE, THE PACKAGE AT ALL.

AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR ALL OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS TO START THINKING ABOUT PROJECTS THAT THEY DON'T MAKE IT INTO THAT SEVEN 50 LIST.

LIKE THINGS THAT YOU ARE STILL PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA JUST AT LEAST HAVE US HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CHAY.

DO WE HAVE A PROCESS IN MIND FOR HOW WE COME TO A RECOMMENDATION ON, I DON'T KNOW, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE WRONG THING.

SUB PROJECT PROJECTS.

LIKE FOR INSTANCE, CARVER IS ITS OWN THING.

IT'S GONNA SHOW UP AS A LINE ITEM IN OUR DISCUSSION.

GARON POOL IS NOT, IT'S GONNA BE UNDER POOLS.

SO IF WE COLLECTIVELY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT A SPECIFIC ASPECT OF A PROJECT, DO WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR, UM, COMING TO CONSENSUS ON THAT? SO THE UH, DELIVERABLE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BY FRIDAY, WE'LL HAVE HOPEFULLY PRIORITY PROJECTS INCLUDING GARRISON OR CARVER IN THEM.

SO YOU'LL IDENT THEY WILL BE IDENTIFIED AND THEN YOU CAN, I THINK PART OF THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE, WELL I WOULD PUT CARVER HERE OR I'D PUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK THERE WILL BE A PROCESS OF GETTING THAT IS TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE, TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE EITHER PROPOSING OR WHAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT.

I'M NOT PROPOSING I'M, I'M JUST MUDDYING THE WATER.

UM, IT'S OKAY.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE ARE GONNA BE RECEIVING FROM YOU A GIANT SPREADSHEET OF ALL OF THE WORKING GROUPS LINE ITEMS AND WHAT THEY ARE SUGGESTING FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT TRANCHES, THE 25, 20 15.

IF A NAMED PROJECT SUCH AS THE CARVER HAS A LINE ITEM IN THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEBATE GOING UP, DOWN, MOVING AROUND.

UM, IF A NAMED PROJECT LIKE GARRISON POOL IS UNDERNEATH A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS JUST POOLS OR PROGRAMMATIC, IS THERE, CAN WE COME UP WITH A PROCESS FOR, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE BREAK IT OUT INTO ITS OWN THING, BUT IT COULD BE JUST ANOTHER COLUMN WHERE YOU'RE HAVING ONE COLUMN BEING YOUR PROGRAM AND THE OTHER COLUMN PROJECTS AND IF YOU WANNA LIST THEM, IF THEY WANT A TOTAL AQUATICS WAS DIFFERENT.

SO GARRISON WAS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANOTHER POOL WAS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, BUT IT WAS ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT THE OTHER POOLS WILL FAIL.

AND SO THAT THERE'S, THERE WAS MONEY, I BELIEVE IN THE AQUATICS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT, WHAT FAILS, WHAT ADDITIONAL POOLS FAIL.

SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY STRICTLY CALLED OUT, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, GARRISON AND ANOTHER POOL.

SPECIFICALLY? UM, VICE CHAIR YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND RELATING TO CARVER, CARVER'S NOT PART OF THE PARKLAND CATEGORY.

WHERE I THINK, UH, MAYBE BIG STACY WERE .

I GUESS I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A PROCESS THAT INVOLVES NUMBERS.

I'M ASKING FOR HOW DO WE COME TO POLICY WRITERS ON SPECIFIC ITEMS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GONNA NEED THIS MUCH MONEY AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS MUCH MONEY AND, AND WE RECOMMEND YOU BUMP THIS PROJECT TO THE TOP.

THAT KIND OF THING.

RIGHT? I THINK ON THE, THOSE THAT HAVE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO A FACILITY OR AN ASSET THAT HAS A PROJECT WHERE WE HAVE A A, YOU KNOW, SAY FOR EXAMPLE IN UM, PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE A BUCKET OF MONEY AND THEN WE HAVE SAID THESE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT THAT IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHY WE WANT YOU TO LIST THE PRIORITY PROJECTS.

'CAUSE WE WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM AND SAY, ACTUALLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN ONLY MAKE THAT SUGGESTION, OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE SAY DOES NOT GET PUT IN THE BALLOT LANGUAGE OF COURSE, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR VOTING DISCUSSION.

HOWEVER WE, WE PRIORITIZE THOSE.

YEAH, I THINK FOR ME, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT, THESE ARE THE TWO POOLS AND THIS IS EQUALS THE AMOUNT FOR THE AQUATICS PROGRAM, THAT DOESN'T NOT NECESSARILY GONNA COR CORRELATE BECAUSE IT, SORRY, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER POOLS.

THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER POOLS THAT FAIL THAT GONNA REQUIRE, REQUIRE CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

SO THERE'S PRIORITIES AND IT DEPENDS ON WHICH BUCKET WE ALL DEFINITELY DECIDE ON.

NOW THAT THE TASK FORCE COULD DECIDE ON THAT WE'RE ONLY GONNA SPEND, HERE'S THE BUDGET FOR THESE TWO POOLS.

ANYTHING ELSE FELLS WITHIN THE SYSTEM, SORRY FOR THAT COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AND I, I KNOW I HAD A RECOMMENDATION ON A THAT IF IT FAILS, IT FAILS.

BUT THAT'S PART OF THE, I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE'LL HAVE.

UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH RELATING TO FACILITIES.

SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, ONE OF THE REASONS I DIDN'T LIKE THIS PROCESS WAS BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED LIKE WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZED BASED UPON THE GROUP.

UM, I MEAN THE COMMITTEES, BUT ON THIS ONE IT'S WHEN IT'S 15, 20 AND 25%, HOW ARE WE TREATING THE FACILITIES

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AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY CDS HAD A RECOMMENDATION FOR LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS, AND CULTURAL ART FACILITIES AT 20 MILLION, THE INITIAL WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE HIGH END WAS 64, I THINK AT THE LOW END, MAYBE 58 MILLION.

SO NOW IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE INFLATING THAT NUMBER IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH THE A HUNDRED MILLION PLUS AT THE 15% AND EVEN WAY INFLATING IT TO COME UP WITH THE 25%.

SO IS THAT WHAT, THAT'S THE EXPECTATION WHEN WE GO INTO THIS WITH LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS, CULTURAL AND ART FACILITIES? OR IS THAT ALSO TAKING IN CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY? HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT THESE BUCKETS? WAIT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'LL GET, I'LL GO BACK REAL QUICK.

WE'D LOOK AT ONE CATEGORY.

LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS AND CULTURAL ARTS FACILITIES WAS A RIGHT, MY UNDERSTANDING OF BUCKET.

SO FULL DEPARTMENT REQUEST 274 MILLION CDS HAD SAID 20 MILLION.

THE BUCKET THAT I'M LOOKING AT WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATION WAS AT 64, YET AT 15% OF THE BOND, RIGHT, IT WOULD BE DOUBLE THAT OR ALMOST NOT DOUBLE BUT 80%, 85% OF THAT.

SO HOW ARE WE TAKING THAT IN CONSIDERATION ON THAT GOING FORWARD TO YOU? WELL THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

I THINK THE IDEA OF THE 20 PER, I MEAN I, THIS IS WHAT WE KIND OF WERE DISCUSSING NOW IS THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU ALL TO GET TO 20% SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO INCREASE.

SO WE'RE GONNA JUST, WE'RE GONNA JUST KEEP INCREASING THAT NUMBER TILL WE GET TO 20%.

EVEN THOUGH THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT 64 MILLION IT, I WOULD SAY NO.

I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S JUST A A, A PLACE TO START THE CONVERSATION WE'RE GONNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

YOU KNOW, THIS GROUP, THIS GROUP, YEAH.

BASICALLY THE IMPACT IS THAT I THINK THAT'S MY CHALLENGE IS THE IMPACT IT HAS ON THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMMITTEES AND THE CONVERSATIONS.

IT'D BE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN, I I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED.

WE WERE SO CLOSE AND THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DATA POINT.

THAT'S WHAT WE CAME OUT THE LAST MEETING.

THIS WAS TO BE A DATA POINT, NOT A DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

AND SO ON THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE NOW I GUESS AS A DATA POINT, WE WERE REALLY CLOSE.

WE WERE WAITING FOR THE INFORMATION TO COME BACK FROM TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

TRANS COMMITTEE HAD SAID AT THE WORKING GROUP HAD SAID AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THEY HAD GOT THEIR LOAD NUMBER AND THEY THOUGHT THAT THE WHOLE THING WAS GONNA BE UNDER SEVEN 50.

WE'VE NEVER SEEN WHAT THAT SEVEN 50 LOOKS LIKE.

WE VERY WELL MAY HAVE A BOND.

I SEE.

NOW I, NOW I'VE CAUGHT UP TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING .

WELL IT'S TOO DIFFERENT REALLY.

BUT I MEAN I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO GET THERE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY NEEDED.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA BE ABLE TO CONVEY.

WE LOOKED AT THIS, THE COMMITTEES WERE LOOKED AT THIS AND THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY FELT WAS NEEDED.

PEOPLE REALLY DID THEIR DAMNEDEST TO GET IT TO THAT SEVEN 50.

UM, BUT THE, I JUST WANT TO GET ALL THAT OUT AND HAVE THAT AWARENESS RELATING TO THE FACILITIES AND THAT ELEVATION OF WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE.

SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS IDEA THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO ADD MORE ARTIFICIALLY.

ARTIFICIALLY.

WELL, AND I THINK GO AHEAD.

UH, SOMETHING JUST RELATED TO THE KIND OF THE FACIL TO THE FACILITIES CATEGORY THAT'S COME UP AND, AND I THINK IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF UH, I MEAN I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS IN TERMS OF PARSING OUT FOR WORKING GROUP, BUT THERE IS THIS THING THAT HAS AT LEAST COME UP WHEN THE HOUSING ONE, THAT THE HOUSING WORKING GROUP, UH, COVERED BOTH NORMAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONDS AND THE HOMELESS STRATEGIES OFFICE RECOMMENDATIONS.

BUT LEGALLY IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL BOND LANGUAGE HOMELESS STRATEGIES IS GONNA GO INTO THE FACILITIES BOND, NOT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IN THE EXERCISE OF, IN THE EXERCISES WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO OR IF WE JUST WANNA WAIT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

BUT, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF THE FINAL, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FINAL BOND LANGUAGE, THEY WILL HAVE TO BE SEPARATE JUST BASED IN TERMS OF REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.

WELL RACHEL ASKED US TO INCLUDE IT IN THE FACILITIES NUMBER, RIGHT, LIKE THAT.

SHE SAID THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, RIGHT? WEREN'T WE? SHE'S ON THE DIDN'T YEAH.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDING THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.

NOT IN, IT WAS IN, IT WAS PART OF THE HOUSING PRESENTATION, THE HOMELESS SERVICES RECOMMENDATION.

SO IT WE WE DISCUSSED IT AS WE DISCUSSED IT ESTIMATE, RIGHT? NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FACILITIES NUMBER, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? THE ACTUAL THE ACTUAL THE ACTUAL, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

THAT WAS SHARED.

WE WANTED START MOVING INTO THAT LIKE THE NEXT EXERCISE, FINALIZING IT.

I WASN'T SURE IF WE WANTED TO MOVE INTO THAT KIND OF FRAMEWORK THAT MIRRORS WHAT THE EVENTUAL BOND LANGUAGE WILL LOOK LIKE OR IF WE WANT TO IN TERMS OF THE EXERCISE OR NOT.

MM-HMM IT'S REALLY ONLY

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THAT KIND OF FACILITY'S.

YEAH, THEY JUST, WHEN WE QUESTION WE GET DONE, IT JUST NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT NUMBER IS THERE.

I THINK IN THE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT PIECE.

I THINK THAT RICH HAS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT SINCE I KNOW EVERY GROUP HASN'T DONE THE 20%, BUT I STILL THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD, ACTUALLY I THINK, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT.

UM, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.

WELL HE'S, YOU'RE, 'CAUSE I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN DO THE 20% THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE THAT RECOMMENDATION LIKE THERE'S OTHER, OKAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL THEN I THINK THERE'S NOTHING GO AHEAD.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERALL BT F CRITERIA THAT WE ESTABLISHED SEVERAL MEETINGS BACK AND HOW THAT IS GOING TO SORT OF CANVAS OVER SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AGAIN, MY SCORING OF MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS PROJECTS SORT OF SCORED HIGHER THAN SORT OF ESSENTIAL NEEDS.

BUT WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GONNA COME BACK AS A GROUP AND REVISIT THOSE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE RECOMMENDING SOMETHING WITH TREMENDOUS BUDGETARY AND FTE IMPACT, IT MAY BE INFEASIBLE DURING, UM, FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WITH REGARD TO THOSE COUNCIL THAT THE DECISION MATRIX DECISION MAKING MATRIX AND, AND IT ALSO MIGHT CHANGE THE RESULTS OF WHAT WE ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SHELF READY, NEUTRAL BUDGETARY IMPACT PROJECTS LIKE CARVER, LIKE THE HOMELESS STRATEGIES, UM, SHELTER.

AND SO JUST WANNA GET A SENSE AS TO HOW WE'RE GONNA REVISIT THAT CRITERIA.

YEAH, AND I'M GONNA SEND THIS AROUND THE REVIEW OF THE SELECTION CRITERIA IS A PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR NEXT WEEK.

I KIND OF BRUSH PAST OVER IT.

BUT FIRST WE NEED TO ESTABLISH THE PRIORITIES.

WHAT WE'VE AGREED IS THAT 20% AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO SEE THE LIST, THAT 70 50 IDEA AND THEN GO THROUGH THE REVIEW THE SELECTION CRITERIA TOGETHER, LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS TOGETHER AND THEN START TO HAVE DISCUSSION.

SO THAT IS A PART OF THE PROCESS I THINK BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT NUMBERS, RIGHT? AND SO THAT MIGHT ULTIMATELY CHANGE THE SEVEN 50, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THERE'S DEFINITELY SEVEN 50 ON OUR LIST THAT HAVE TREMENDOUS FDE IMPACTS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY RECONSIDER CERTAIN ITEMS AT THAT TIME IS IS.

SO I'M HOPING THAT THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT BASED UPON THE CRITERIA THAT WE ESTABLISH IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL IMPACT BEING AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION FOR THE OVERALL CITY LEADERSHIP TO CONSIDER.

AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TOO AND, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL GET THIS OUT TOMORROW BY FRIDAY, THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING ON OUR SELECTION CRITERIA THAT YOU FEEL LIKE MIGHT COME UP IN DISCUSSION, IT'S BETTER FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE STAFF HERE SO THAT THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.

SO LIKE I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT LIKE WHAT MIGHT COME UP WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS, EQUITY AND ACCESS.

UM, COMMUNITY SUPPORTS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND ENVIRONMENTALLY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICE HAS ASKED.

LIKE WHO, WHAT STAFF NEED TO BE HERE.

SO I DO FEEL LIKE IF YOU THINK THAT THERE'S SOME CLARIFYING ITEMS THAT MIGHT HELP, LIKE BETWEEN A FEW DIFFERENT PROJECTS, LET'S IDENTIFY THOSE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN REQUEST THE STAFF TO BE HERE.

AND THAT ALSO SAY IF YOU, IN THE, ONCE YOU GET THE INFORMATION ON FRIDAY AND YOU'RE REVIEWING IT AND YOU'RE HAVING THOSE QUESTIONS, SEND THEM IN AHEAD OF TIME.

THAT WAY WE CAN TRY TO GET THE ANSWERS AHEAD OF TIME, GET THE RIGHT STAFF PERSON.

SO LET'S NOT WAIT TILL THAT DAY TO TO THINK OF THE QUESTIONS.

'CAUSE I THINK WE'LL HAVE BETTER UH, OUTCOMES IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME.

FROM EACH GROUP, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY TAKE WHAT THE CLIMATE OFFICE DID AND, AND UH, HAVE AS ONE OPTION A CARBON NEUTRAL SCENARIO THAT FACTORS IN ALL THE PRIORITIES OF THE WORKING GROUPS.

UM, I HAD A REQUEST AS YOU PUT THE 20% PACKAGES TOGETHER TO GET THIS FIRST SET, IF YOU COULD ALSO INCLUDE THE CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE WORK THAT LUKE DID, UM, TO GET TO A CARBON NEUTRAL BOND, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP KIND OF AS WE LOOK ACROSS THE SPREADSHEET, UM, LOOK AT THOSE OTHER NUMBERS.

I CAN DEFINITELY SEE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

UHHUH, , UM, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW HOW I WOULD EXTRAPOLATE LUKE DID AN EXAMPLE PACKAGE AND SO I WOULD PROBABLY NEED LUKE IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE TO DO IT AGAIN THOSE PACKAGES AND DO THE SAME ANALYSIS.

I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT, IS TO, TO HAVE THAT SAME YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND I THOUGHT THAT THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU DID WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

UM, BUT I AM NOT SMART ENOUGH TO LOOK AT ALL THAT 20% PACKAGE AND THINK ABOUT HOW IT RELATES TO WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO TRY AND FIGURE THAT OUT OUT.

WELL YEAH, I THINK IF WE HAVE A SEVEN 50 OR SOME OTHER NUMBER THAT COULD BE A LENS WE LOOK AT TO SAY, OKAY, HOW DO WE GET IT TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL AND THAT MAYBE THAT MEANS YEAH, WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE IN PARKS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE SIDEWALKS AND THAT MEANS A LITTLE LESS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CARBON HEAVY STUFF TO GET AND THEN WE GET THAT 700 MILLION PACKAGE.

BUT YEAH, I WOULD, I'VE ALREADY BEEN TRYING TO TOY WITH THAT, BUT ONCE WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE, THE 20% NUMBERS

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YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING THOUGH, I'M WONDERING, AND THIS IS JUST WHAT CAME TO MY MIND, IT'S LIKE, DOES THAT, SHOULD THAT BE AT THE NEXT MEETING OR THE MEETING WHERE WE'VE KIND OF DONE A LITTLE BIT OF MOVING THINGS AROUND AND HEARING EVERYONE'S PERSPECTIVE? 'CAUSE I THINK THE FINAL ONE IS THE ONE WE WANT TO GET AS CLOSE TO WHAT, I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T DO IT FOR THE, THE FIRST ONE, BUT I JUST THINK WE MIGHT BE GETTING A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA BE MOST BENEFICIAL OR YOU CAN DO IT BOTH TIMES.

I DON'T, I JUST WANNA, I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD OR HOW MUCH LONG, BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN DO IT THE NEXT TIME, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK AFTER WE HAVE THE LENGTHY DISCUSSION, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA WANT IT TO DO IT.

THE, THE PACKAGE THAT I THINK IS EVEN CLOSER TO WHAT WE WANT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT'S NOT HARD TO DO IT BOTH TIMES.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO, AND THIS IS JUST ME THINKING OUT LOUD, LIKE WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO INDICATE ON THIS SPREADSHEET WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT NUMBERS, UM, SOME SORT OF VISUAL CUE, LIKE A RED, YELLOW, GREEN KIND OF LIKE THIS MOVES THE NEEDLE, THIS DOES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA SPEND THE TIME TO SCORE ALL OF AT THIS POINT, BUT HAVING SOME IDEA WHILE WE'RE TALKING AND REVIEWING THEM, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING, WELL I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THAT ONE BIGGER, THAT MOVES IT IN A CERTAIN WAY.

DOES THAT, YEAH, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SOME JUDGMENT ABOUT WHICH COLOR, UM, TO EACH THING.

BUT WE HAVE THE NUMBERS FROM THE CLIMATE OFFSET.

IT'S NOT HARD TO SAY IF WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED MILLION OF FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, AND OR A HUNDRED MILLION FOR HOUSING, THIS IS WHAT THE CARBON IMPACT IS LIKE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE NUMBERS SO YOU JUST HAVE TO KIND OF FOR FOR, FOR ALL FOR ALL OF THEM.

SO YOU JUST HAVE TO ADJUST BY PER PERCENTAGE.

YOU KNOW, THEY UM, THEY DID IT BASED ON YOU KNOW, UM, THE ORIGINAL BIG PACKAGE AND YOU JUST HAVE TO KINDA SCALE DOWN PROPORTIONALLY, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS PURPOSE.

AVA, I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST, I MEAN SINCE EACH OF THE GROUPS IS PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR PACKAGE FOR FRIDAY, WE COULD JUST STIPULATE THAT WE WANT THAT AS A COLUMN MICRO THE INFORMATION IS ALREADY GETTING YOUR MICROPHONE ON.

SORRY, I WAS JUST SAYING UM, SINCE THE GROUPS ARE ALL GONNA PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER BY FRIDAY, UH, WE COULD JUST COMMIT TO ALL THE GROUPS ADDING THIS COLUMN OF CARBON IMPACT.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE INFORMATION LIKE LUKE SAID, THERE'S AND IF THE GROUPS NEED HELP, I'M HAPPY TO SEND THEM THOSE NUMBERS SIR.

WELL I THINK IF THEY HAVE IT, YOU CAN PUT IT IN THEN.

I THINK FOR THE ONES THAT DON'T, WE CAN JUST ADD IT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS? I FEEL LIKE SOME PEOPLE ASK J DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE'VE ANSWERED, I KNOW YOU WERE ASKING SOME QUESTIONS, BUT DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOOD FOR NEXT MONTH'S DISCUSSION? I'M GOOD FOR NOW.

AND RICH, YOU FEEL YOU'RE GOOD? WE MAY NOT WANNA TAKE EVERYBODY'S TEMPERATURE .

NO, I JUST WANT NO, NO.

SO EVERYTHING FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYONE ELSE'S ANSWERS GOT ANSWERS.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE FELT GOOD ENOUGH ANSWERS.

THAT EVERYONE DOES THAT FEEL PRETTY GOOD? I THINK THE ONLY REASON WHY I WANTED TO JUST REEMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, WE PICKED A EVENING MEETING, SIX TO EIGHT AND THE ONLY REASON WHY MARY KIND OF MENTIONED, I JUST REALLY ENCOURAGED THAT IF WE DO NEED TO DO THREE HOURS, IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO KIND OF GET THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS AT THE NEXT MEETING.

AND SO THEN I DO WANT TO RECAP WHAT WE DISCUSSED.

UM, SO EACH OF THE WORKING GROUPS WILL FINALIZE THEIR 15, 20% AND 25% FUNDING SCENARIO AND SEND THOSE ON TO NICOLE OR MARY DIRECTLY AND THEN MARY'S GOING TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER.

UM, I'M GOING TO SEND THE FACILITATION PLAN THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.

THE ONE THING I'M CHANGING IS THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING PEOPLE THEIR INDIVIDUAL THOUGHTS.

WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE 20% PACKAGE WHILE ALSO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE 15, 25% PACKAGE.

WE'LL COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE BASICALLY A MOCK SEVEN 50 PACKAGE THEN, UM, AND AS KIND OF WHAT NICOLE MENTIONED, WE WILL WALK THROUGH THE SELECTION CRITERIA AND REMIND OURSELVES, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR MEMBERS TO THINK OF QUESTIONS AND STAFF.

WE WOULD LIKE TO BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.

AND THEN ONCE WE KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT SELECTION CRITERIA, WE'LL HAVE A FACILITATED CONVERSATION WHERE WE'RE, WE'LL VOTE THROUGH THE SEVEN 50 PACKAGE AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF SUPPORT.

UM, AND NOTING STRONG CONSENSUS.

THEN WE'LL LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE MORE AT A 50 50 SPLIT AND KIND OF SURFACE CONCERNS AND TALK ABOUT TRADE-OFFS AND REALLY KIND OF REALLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAYBE ARE FOR OR AGAINST LIKE KIND OF REALLY TEASE OUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE EITHER STRUGGLING OR FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY THAT ARE FAR FROM THE MAJORITY, DISCUSS AND DECIDE INFORMALLY KIND OF VOTE TO PUT CERTAIN THINGS ON THE PARKING LOT UNTIL FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.

AND THEN AFTER WE KIND OF REVIEW AND HAVE THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION AND THEN I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS IN THE MEETING.

BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE THEN WOULD GO BACK AND KIND OF HAVE MAYBE A COUPLE MORE PA MOCK PACKAGES TO KIND OF THEN VOTE ON FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, UM, IS

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UM, THINK ABOUT CITY COUNCIL AND THEY USED TO STAY REALLY LATE.

HOPEFULLY WE WON'T STAY REALLY, REALLY LATE.

BUT THE IDEA, IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD NOT TO CUT OFF THE DISCUSSION, BUT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM.

SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANNA JUST BRING IT UP NOW AND SHARE THAT.

IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO GET COMPLETELY THROUGH THIS INITIAL CONVERSATION THAT WILL REALLY SET US UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE FAMILIES AND LIVES AND ANIMALS AND SO I, WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRING IT UP SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF KEEP QUORUM AS LONG AS WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR THE APRIL 6TH MEETING, RIGHT? THIS APRIL 6TH? UH, APRIL 13TH.

APRIL 13TH.

OH, APRIL 13TH.

YES, APRIL 13TH.

I WILL BE IN JUST, I'M GONNA TRY TO CALL IN FROM PERU.

OH MY GOSH.

SO, UM, WE SHOULD BE LUCK.

WELL I ALSO THINK FOR, 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE LIKE, SEND THOUGHTS.

I MEAN I THINK SEND THOUGHTS OF SOME, ESPECIALLY THE STUFF FOR YOUR WORKING GROUPS.

I THINK IF FOR, IF YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

YEAH, I I, THE HOTEL THAT I BOOKED, I BOOKED THE BLOCKED OUT THE TIME AND THE TRAVEL FOR THE MEETING, SO THANK YOU.

I'M STILL CONTINGENT UPON SERVICE.

SERVICE .

BUT I THINK IF YOU HAVE LIKE POINTS THAT YOU JUST WANNA SHARE WITH EITHER SOMEONE ELSE IN THE GROUP OR WITH ME, WE WILL, WE CAN KIND OF INCORPORATE YOU SAID WHAT? OKAY.

THAT'S IT.