* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] I'M GONNA CALL [CALL TO ORDER] THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 6 0 3. UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH ROLL CALL VICE CHAIR MINOR HERE. COMMISSIONER AULA. HERE. COMMISSIONER CAROL. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GILLI HERE. IS YOUR MICROPHONE WORKING? CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU NOW, YEP. YES. PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. AND COMMISSIONER HOWARD HERE. COMMISSIONER KAHN. SHE'S HERE. IS YOUR MIC WORK? OKAY. COMMISSIONER KAHN, CAN YOU HEAR US? IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, COMMISSIONER KAHN IS HAVING SOME AUDIO PROBLEMS AND IF, DO Y'ALL HAVE HER NUMBER THAT Y'ALL CAN TEXT HER? ALRIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY. COMMISSIONER. OH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER LATNER. SKIPPED, SKIPPED OVER HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER MEKI HERE. AND COMMISSIONER TRO. HE'S NOT HERE TODAY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? ALL RIGHT. DO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER KAHN'S AUDIO TO GET UP AND RUNNING? ALRIGHT. UM, HOPEFULLY [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] Y'ALL HAVE HAD A MINUTE TO REVIEW THE FEBRUARY 23RD MEETING MINUTES. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. UM, I DO HAVE A, UM, A CORRECTION THERE. OKAY. UH, IT, IT SAID THAT I WAS PRESENT, BUT I WAS NOT. CAN YOU MOVE YOUR MIC? SORRY, CORRECTION. THAT I, I WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE MEETING THERE. OKAY. UM, SO CHAIR, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED TO SAY FORMALLY TO, TO SAY THAT. . I THINK THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. UM, SO WITH THAT ADDED CORRECTION THAT, UM, THAT YOU WERE NOT AT THE MEETING, THAT YOU WERE NOT PRESENT, UM, WOULD WE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, WOULD IT BE APPROVED WITH THE ADDED CHANGE? ALRIGHT, SO ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. ALRIGHT, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY, ANY AGAINST. ALL RIGHT. UNANIMOUS APPROVED WITH THE ADDED CHANGE THAT COMMISSIONER ME WAS NOT PRESENT. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES. IT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER CONN IS ABLE TO HEAR US, SO I'M NOT SURE IF SHE CAN HEAR. CAN CAN YOU ACTIVATE YOUR MIC PLEASE? COMMISSIONER KHAN? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ME? NO. OH, COMMISSIONER KAHAN. HI. YES, I CAN HEAR YOU GUYS NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. SOUNDS GREAT. THANKS. SO OUR FIRST ITEM, [2. Staff briefing on Downtown Density Bonus Program gatekeeper requirements. Presented by Alan Pani, Austin Planning. Sponsors: Vice Chair Meiners and Commissioner Howard. ] UH, FOR DISCUSSION IS THIS, OR FOR AS A STAFF BRIEFING. UM, BUT WE ARE POSTPONING ITEM NUMBER TWO. UH, BUT, UH, JORGE, IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH COMMUNICATION WITH THE WORKING GROUP AND THEN WHAT THE TIMELINE IS. SURE. CHAIR, IF I MAY. SURE. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. JORGE LAN, EXECUTIVE LIAISON TO THE COMMISSIONER, UH, TO THE COMMISSION. AND I'M NOT A COMMISSIONER. . MY APOLOGIES. AND JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED AT THE COUNCIL, DISTRICT NINE HAS CONVENED A URBAN DESIGNS WORKING GROUP TO INITIATE INTERFACE WITH STAFF ON RECOMMENDATIONS FOR URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY FORMULATE CODE LANGUAGE TO BE INFUSED IN A PHASE ONE OF THE UPDATE TO THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. THERE'S GOING TO BE, UH, A SECOND MEETING OF THAT WORKING GROUP THIS FRIDAY, MARCH 27TH AT CITY HALL. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE DETAILS WITH SOME OF YOU. WE CANNOT HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COMMISSION, HOWEVER, SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S FIVE MEMBERS ALREADY ASSIGNED TO THAT WORKING GROUP, AND IF WE GET A SIXTH ONE, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HAVE THE WORKING GROUP. SO SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE. THE INTENTION IS TO AT LEAST HAVE ONE, TWO, PERHAPS SEVERAL MEETINGS OF THAT WORKING GROUP TO FORMULATE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COMMISSION AT THE APRIL 27TH MEETING FOR ACTION. AND IT WOULD BE THE INTENT OF THAT WORKING GROUP TO PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS SO THAT THE COMMISSION MAY FORMULATE IF THEY SO WISH RECOMMENDATIONS [00:05:01] AT THAT TIME. OR I BELIEVE THE NEXT MEETING'S ON MAY 18TH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND THE COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING PHASE ONE AMENDMENTS TO THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM AT THE END OF MAY. THAT'S THE UPDATE CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND ON THAT WORKING GROUP, IT'S COMMISSIONER CARROLL, COMMISSIONER HOWARD, COMMISSIONER GALLES, COMMISSIONER MCKINNEY, AND VICE CHAIR. ARE YOU ON THAT WORKING GROUP COMMISSIONER WIRA. WIRA. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO, CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, PLEASE. THAT'S THE REASON YOU'RE NOT SEEING A BRIEFING THIS EVENING. STAFF IS NOT PREPARED TO COME FORWARD. WE DON'T HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE WORKING GROUP YET. OKAY. UH, IT'S THE INTENTION THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE WORKING GROUP TO FORMULATE AND UNDERSTAND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THOSE MAY BE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION FOR ACTION ON OUR RECOMMENDATION TO BOTH STAFF AND THE COUNCIL AS THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE BEING MADE STARTING IN APRIL WHEN THE TEAM WILL BE ENGAGING WITH NOT ONLY THIS COMMISSION, BUT OTHER COMMISSIONS AS WELL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM I'D LIKE TO MOVE UP IS THE, UM, THE ADDENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, FOR STAFF BRIEFING ON THE CONCOURSE M IMPROVEMENTS AT AUSTIN BERGSTROM AIRPORT. ARE THOSE FOLKS HERE? YES. ALRIGHT. SO, PRADEEP, ADA, RAM, RAMAD, RAM. ALL RIGHT. I'M THE PROJECT ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. UH, PRETTY RAMDAS, UH, WITH THE AIRPORT. HE'S THE PROJECT MANAGER. HE'S NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT. UH, I'M PAUL VIC. I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH PAIGE AND STANEC. UH, WE'RE THE ARCHITECT FOR THE CONCOURSE M PROJECT, AND I SEE MY SLIDES ARE GETTING PULLED UP HERE AS WE SPEAK. AND THIS IS JUST A, A BRIEFING OR AN UPDATE TO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE TO, WE'VE GOT, UH, THIS WILL BE FOR CONCOURSE M WHICH IS A MIDFIELD CONCOURSE BEFORE THE AIRPORT. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND FLIP OVER TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO TOUCH ON HERE. SO, FIRST OF ALL, WITH CONCOURSE M UH, IT'S A SMALLER FACILITY, BUT IT'S TRYING TO, UH, TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE AIRPORT. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP IMAGE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. Y'ALL MAY BE AWARE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A HUGE, LIKE FOUR TO $5 BILLION PROGRAM GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT. AND IT'S, THE LARGER PROJECTS LIKE FOR CONCOURSE B ARE NOT SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND SO THE AIRPORT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME INTERIM EXPANSION AND INTERIM GROWTH OVER THE DURATION OF THAT LONG EXPANSION. AND SO DURING THE EXPANSION AS WELL, YOU CAN'T REALLY SHUT THE AIRPORT DOWN WHILE YOU EXPAND. SO YOU'VE GOTTA PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO FLEX YOUR SPACE AND STILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AIRLINES THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO CONNECT US TO OTHER CITIES. SO WE'RE CREATING CONCOURSE M WHICH IS A SMALL FACILITY, ABOUT 37,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH ABOUT SIX GATES. AND IT PROVIDES THE AIRPORT THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT WE NEED IN THE INTERIM, BOTH DURING CONSTRUCTION, AND ALSO ALLOWS THE AIRPORT SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH WHAT THEY CALL IOPS OR IRREGULAR OPERATIONS. AUSTIN ACTUALLY SEES SOME OF THE MOST DIVERSIONS OF ANY AIRPORT, JUST BECAUSE WITH DALLAS AND HOUSTON, WHEN THEY SEE WEATHER ISSUES, A LOT OF AIRCRAFT GET DIVERTED TO AUSTIN. SO AUSTIN HAS TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE IRREGULAR OPERATIONS, AND YOU CAN'T ALWAYS, YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING. IT'S NOT SCHEDULED FLIGHTS. UH, SO THIS PROVIDES SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE AIRPORT, BUT THEN ALSO JUST WITH THE PASSENGER EXPERIENCE, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS, UH, A VERY QUICKLY, EFFICIENTLY, AND PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR THE AIRPORT, UH, AS, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, WE STILL WANT TO KEEP THAT PASSENGER EXPERIENCE IN FOCUS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING A QUALITY FACILITY. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS, UH, WHAT THE PLAN IS FROM A SITE PLAN STANDPOINT. UH, SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE THREE RECTANGLES ARE THE GARAGES. UH, SO WE'VE GOT THE BLUE GARAGE, THE CON RACK OF THE RED GARAGE, AND THEN THE EXISTING BARBER JORDAN TERMINAL IS THE EAST WEST BAR THAT YOU SEE THERE. THE CIRCLE AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS WHERE GATE 13 IS. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CREATING A SHUTTLE OPERATION FROM GATE 13, WHICH IS A GROUND LOAD GATE AT THE EXISTING BARBER JORDAN TERMINAL, UH, CREATING A, A SHUTTLE OPERATION FROM THERE TO THE RECTANGLE THAT YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, WHICH IS WHERE CONCOURSE M WILL BE LOCATED. AND WE'RE LOCATING THAT NEXT TO THE EXISTING MAINTENANCE RAMP [00:10:01] JUST FROM A, UH, STRUCTURAL FEASIBILITY STANDPOINT AND TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY STANDPOINT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S EXISTING PAVEMENT TO GET AIRCRAFT CLOSE TO A A, A SHORT TERM TERMINAL BUILDING. NEXT SLIDE. SO, WANTED TO DIVE INTO SOME OF THE IMAGERY OF THE BUILDING. UH, SO WE'VE GOT RENDERINGS OF THE FACILITY. UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. UH, WE'RE, WE'VE ISSUED THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE. AND SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ARE, ARE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT RENDERINGS. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS HOW YOU WOULD APPROACH THE BUILDING. SO WHEN THE SHUTTLE PULLS UP, UH, IT'LL DROP YOU OFF IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING HERE, WHERE WE'VE GOT, UH, EXTERIOR CANOPY, CREATING SOME EXTERIOR SPACE TO KIND OF LEVERAGE, UH, DAYS THAT ARE NICE LIKE TODAY HERE IN AUSTIN, UH, TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOME, UH, SOME OUTDOOR SPACE THAT PEOPLE CAN, UH, CAN ENJOY WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THEIR FLIGHT. AND, BUT STILL PROVIDING CANOPIES TO PROVIDE SHADE AND WEATHER PROTECTION, UH, FOR THOSE DAYS WHEN THE WEATHER'S NOT SO GREAT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO CATCH A FLIGHT. NEXT SLIDE. UH, THIS IS INTERIOR RENDERING. SO THIS IS WHEN YOU FIRST COME IN. YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST HOLD ROOM SPACE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE. YOU CAN SEE SOME SPACE, UH, SEE SOME WHITE AREA. WE ARE GONNA HAVE SOME CONCESSIONS AREAS, UH, IN ABOUT TWO DAYS. I THINK THURSDAY, UH, CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE VOTING TO, UH, FOR A CONTRACT FOR A CONCESSIONAIRE THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE, UH, CONCESSION SPACE FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS FACILITY. UH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, COMFORTABLE SPACES, UH, GOOD ACOUSTICS, UH, AND ALSO TRYING TO USE SOME DURABLE MATERIALS ON THE WALLS, AT LEAST WITHIN REACH RANGES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GONNA BE A DURABLE FACILITY, UH, AND, AND A QUALITY FACILITY FOR THE AIRPORT IN THE CITY. NEXT IMAGE, JUST ANOTHER VIEW, KIND OF LOOKING AS YOU WALK IN, YOU CAN SEE THE HOLD ROOM SPACES KIND OF ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE IMAGE. UH, WE ARE OPENING THAT UP WITH A LOT OF WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET GOOD NATURAL LIGHT INTO THE SEATING AREAS. UH, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE YOU SEE THAT CONCESSIONS AREA, UH, THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS ALSO KIND OF WHERE A LOT OF THE SUPPORT SPACES ARE. SO IT'S A VERY SIMPLE BAR BUILDING. UH, WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC SPACES, UH, REALLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BAR FACING TOWARDS THE, UH, TOWARDS THE AIRCRAFT. AND THEN THE EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE BAR BUILDING, UH, IS WHERE WE'VE LOCATED THE SERVICE, SERVICE SPACES. NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S CUSTOMER FRIENDLY, MAKING SURE WE INCORPORATE, UH, GOOD SERVICE COUNTERS, INFORMATION DESKS, UH, AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE CENTRALLY LOCATED, VERY VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, TO PROVIDE A GOOD PASSENGER EXPERIENCE. AND NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THIS IS JUST KIND OF LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THAT SERVICE AREA. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL AMENITY SPACES. WE KNOW THAT RESTROOMS ARE A BIG THING. YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS SOMEBODY GETS OFF A RESTROOM, GETS OFF AN AIRPLANE, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT THEY LOOK FOR. SO WE KNOW THAT THE RESTROOMS ARE GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT. UH, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING A PET RELIEF SPACE, UH, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE, UH, INCORPORATED A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF THOSE AMENITY SPACES THAT PASSENGERS NEED THESE DAYS. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST SLIDE. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? UH, WE'RE HERE JUST TO GIVE Y'ALL AN UPDATE. LET Y'ALL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE AIRPORT. UH, CONCOURSE M IS DEFINITELY A SMALL BUT IMPORTANT PIECE TO ALL THE EXPANSION GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, COMMISSIONER HOWARD. I DOES, UM, IS THIS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE OR HOW, HOW WILL THIS, UH, STRUCTURE BE USED? UM, ONCE IT, IT IS NOT BEING BUILT AS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE? WE DID DESIGN IT WITH FLEXIBILITY IN MIND. SO AS A, IT IS A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING, AND SO IT'S GOT CLEAR SPAN STRUCTURAL VENTS SO THAT THERE'S NO INTERIOR COLUMNS. THERE HAS BEEN SOME THOUGHTS THAT IN THE FUTURE IT MAY BE CONVERTED TO CARGO OR SOME OTHER FUNCTION. UH, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE DESIGNING IT TO BE A, UH, A TERMINAL BUILDING WITH GATES, UH, FOR PASSENGERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR MINORS. OKAY. SO GIVEN THAT, UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST CUSTOMER FACING IN THE SHORT TERM, UM, IS THERE ANY, UH, PUBLIC ART PLAN EITHER IN THE INTERIOR OR EXTERIOR? SO, I KNOW THE AIRPORT HAS AN, UH, A LARGE PROGRAM WITH A IPP WITH ART IN PUBLIC PLACES. UM, I, SINCE WE ARE WORKING ON SOME OTHER PIECES OF THE AIRPORT, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT ART PROGRAMMED FOR THE AIRPORT, BUT I KNOW THAT THE AIRPORT IS TRYING TO FOCUS THAT WHERE IT'S GONNA HAVE THE LARGEST IMPACT, THE MOST CUSTOMERS. SO I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE ART THROUGH A IPP, UH, WENT THROUGH A PROCESS TO SELECT LOCATIONS AND ARE BEING FOCUSED TOWARDS KIND OF THOSE HIGHER VISIBILITY SPACES. UH, THIS MAY BE USED FOR IRREGULAR OPERATIONS AND DURING, UH, EXPANSION OF THE, OF THE FACILITY. RIGHT NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY SCHEDULED FLIGHTS. IT'S REALLY THOSE [00:15:01] IRREGULAR OPERATIONS, EVEN THOUGH IT WILL BE SEEING PASSENGERS, LIKE IF THERE'S A DIVERSION FROM HOUSTON, THOSE PASSENGERS WILL, WILL, UH, DEPLANE HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A SCHEDULED FLIGHT. SO I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO FOCUS THE ARTWORK ON PLACES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE HIGHER IMPACT. OKAY. AND THEN, GIVEN THAT THIS IS INTENDED TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF PERMANENCE, ARE WE LOOKING AT ANY, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDARDS LEAD CERTIFICATION? YES, WE ARE. UH, WE WILL BE, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING THREE STAR. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GILLES, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? YES, CHAIR. I DID. AND, UM, ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER WHIR ASKED MY INITIAL QUESTION, UM, BUT JUST TO REITERATE, MY, MY COMMENT WAS REGARDING THE TIMELINE FOR THIS, AND, AND THAT WAS ANSWERED. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, DISMANTLED IN ANY, IN ANY WAY. BUT CAN YOU PLEASE REITERATE, UH, HOW LONG IS THIS PLAN FOR USE AS A TEMPORARY TERMINAL? UH, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR ITS INTENDED CURRENT USE? AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU ALREADY HAD MENTIONED THAT I UNDERSTAND DURATION OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION OF THE TIMELINE FOR THAT? I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA SPEAK FOR THE AIRPORT AND THEIR LONG RANGE PLANS. UH, THE, WE ARE DESIGNING THIS AS A CONCOURSE THAT CAN BE USED AS A PASSENGER FACILITY. UH, IT'S, IT'S BEING PERMITTED AS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, UH, IN ITS, UH, IN ITS CONFIGURATION AS A, UH, AS A TERMINAL BUILDING FOR PASSENGERS. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, UH, INTENDED TO BE USED AS THAT, AT LEAST THROUGH THE LARGER ARC, UH, AIRPORT EXPANSION DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, THE A EDP, WHICH I BELIEVE GOES THROUGH 2030. I THINK THAT'S THE TARGET COMPLETION FOR THE, THE LARGER PROJECTS. SO I THINK FOR AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, PERHAPS LONGER THAN THAT. UM, BUT YOU MAY NEED TO CHECK WITH THE AIRPORT FOR SOME OF THEIR PLANS BEYOND THAT. THANK YOU. THANK, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT THE AIRPORT IS DOING TODAY. NO, THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY HELPFUL. THE 2030, UM, SORT OF MILESTONE OR LINE IN THE SAND IS CERTAINLY HELPFUL. AND THEN IT, IT ALSO APPEARED AS THOUGH THE INTENTION WAS FOR A SHUTTLE BUS TO TAKE, UH, WHOEVER IS DISEMBARKING FROM THIS, UM, OR DISEMBARKING ONTO THIS BACK OVER TO THE MAIN TERMINAL. DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THE DISTANCE WITH REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF MINUTES, IS THIS A FIVE MINUTE, 10 MINUTE, TWO MINUTE BUS RIDE ACROSS FROM THIS BUILDING TO THE EXISTING? WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AND I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT A 10 TO 12 MINUTE RIDE. IS THERE ANY PLAN TO MAKE THAT, THAT ROUTE LOOK A LITTLE, KIND OF CUTTING THROUGH SOME GREEN AREAS AND WHATNOT, BUT IS THERE A PLAN TO MAKE THAT MORE PERMANENT AND SAFER KIND OF RIDE, OR IS WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING THE KIND OF THE FINAL? SO THAT ROUTE HAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE, UH, BUILD OUT OF CONCOURSE B, AND SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF GO AROUND THE NEW CONCOURSE THAT'S GETTING BUILT, WHICH IS GONNA BE A CONSTRUCTION SITE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT FEW YEARS. UH, BUT THEN AFTER CONCOURSE B IS BUILT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DRIVE THROUGH IT. SO, UH, SO IT IS, DOES LOOK A LITTLE BIT CIRCUITOUS, BUT IT IS GOING AROUND SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, SOME OF THE LARGER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS BEING PLANNED. SO WHAT'S THE PLAN AFTER THAT, AFTER THAT CONCOURSE IS BUILT? THERE ARE SOME THOUGHTS OF, UH, THE SHUTTLE BUS OF BEING ABLE TO CONNECT THAT CONCOURSE B AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I UNDERSTAND IS BEING LOOKED AT. ANY OTHER I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH, COMMISSIONER AULA. YEAH. SO I KNOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AIRPORT, WE CAN'T PLANT ANY TREES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE GREEN SPACE, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, THE TEMPORARY TERMINAL ITSELF OR SEMI PERTINENT TERMINAL? WHAT ARE THE PLANS ON OUR ARCHITECTURAL POINT OF VIEW? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION ON THE LANDSCAPING. UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPACTING WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, THERE'S, WE'RE TRYING TO USE SOME HARDSCAPES, UH, THAT ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DURABLE, UH, RIGHT AT THE PASSENGER LOADING AREAS, TRYING TO USE A LITTLE BIT OF STONE IN THE LANDSCAPING. UH, BUT WE'RE NOT, UNFORTUNATELY NOT ABLE TO BRING TREES, UH, INTO THE AIRFIELD. UH, BIRDS BECOME AN ISSUE, UH, [00:20:01] WITH JET ENGINES. AND SO THAT, THAT BECOMES A, A LITTLE BIT OF A SAFETY, UH, SAFETY CONCERN. UM, BUT JUST THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING OF, OF OUR IMPACT, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION THAT WE HAVE. AND SO WE'RE NOT EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT TO DO A WIDE LANDSCAPE AREA AROUND THIS. WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS THE FOCUS, THE CONSTRUCTION ON, ON JUST WHAT'S NEEDED. THANK YOU. SO FOLLOW UP WITH THE USE QUESTION. SO IS THIS, WHEN ALL THE IOPS HAPPEN, IT'S WHEN THIS TERMINAL BE ACTIVATED OR TO BE ACTIVE ALL THE TIME AND IT'LL JUST BE USED, UH, RELATED TO USAGE, THE LIGHTING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS? THAT'S, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE USAGE OF THIS, THIS FACILITY? YEAH, YEAH. IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO BE CONTINUOUS USE AND THEN JUST WAIT FOR THIS IRA OR IRREGULAR FLIGHTS TO COME IN, OR ONCE THAT INFORMATION COMES, THIS, THIS TERMINAL WILL BE ACTIVATED TO USE FROM A, FROM A USE PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE, WE'RE DESIGNING IT TO PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE AIRPORT. SO IT CAN BE USED, UH, TO WHERE IT WILL HAVE SIX GATES, FOUR OF THE GATES WILL HAVE PASSENGER BOARDING BRIDGES, AND THEN TWO OF THE GATES ARE GROUND LOADED, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SOUTH TERMINAL, HOW YOU BOARDED. UM, AND SO THOSE SIX GATES, WE HAVE THE FACILITY SIZED FOR ENOUGH PASSENGER WAITING AREA, AND WE'RE SIZING, UH, THE DROP OFF AREAS, UH, AND THE BUSING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY AGREEMENTS WITH AIRLINES TO BE TAKING THAT ON YET. SO, AS OVER THE COURSE OF THIS, UH, AIRPORT EXPANSION DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE OUR AIRPORT CONTINUE TO GROW, CONTINUE TO OFFER MORE FLIGHTS TO MORE DESTINATIONS. AND SO TO ENABLE THAT TO HAPPEN, THIS ALLOWS THE AIRPORT SOME FLEXIBILITY, UH, TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REALLY PLANNED OR DEDICATED TO ANY AIRLINES YET. YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ELSE? WELL, WE APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CHAIR. IF I MAY, YES, PLEASE. COULD WE GO BACK TO THE, THE LAST BRIEFING AND HAVE A, A VOTE ON THE POSTPONEMENT? OH, YEAH. OKAY. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE, UH, THE, UH, STAFF BRIEFING FOR THE, UH, DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, GATEKEEPER REQUIREMENTS. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF POSTPONEMENT. AND FOR ONE MONTH A ALL RIGHT. ANY AGAINST. ALL RIGHT. UNANIMOUS WILL POSTPONING TILL NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA. ALL OUR NEXT ITEM [3. Discussion of the implications of expanding the boundaries of Downtown to match the Central City District Plan and how that affects Design Commission scope and rewrite of urban design guidelines. Sponsors: Commissioners Gelles and Howard.] IS DISCUSSION ITEMS. UH, SO DISCUSSION OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES AS A DOWNTOWN, UH, TO MATCH THE CENTRAL CITY DISTRICT PLAN, AND HOW THIS AFFECTS THE DESIGN COMMISSION SCOPE AND REWRITE OF THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES. UH, THIS WAS SPONSORED BY COMMISSIONER GILES AND COMMISSIONER HOWARD. UM, WE HAVE NO BACKUP FOR THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO PULL UP THAT WE CAN LOOK AT OR HOW WE WANNA JUST GET THIS CONVERSATION STARTED. CHAIR, IF I MAY. YES, PLEASE. SORRY. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOUR QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO STAFF OR TO, IT WAS COMMISSIONERS. YEAH. IT WAS DIRECTED TO SPECIFICALLY YOU AND COMMISSIONER HOWARD. UM, IF Y'ALL HAD ANYTHING THAT YOU, HOW WE WANTED TO GET THIS CONVERSATION STARTED, IF THERE WAS ANY, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SHOW FOR US TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT. TODAY. AND, AND SO, CHAIR, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THERE WAS NO MATERIAL PROVIDED AS BACKUP OR TO, TO SHARE WITH, WITH THIS COMMISSION. I DID RECEIVE FROM, UM, RYAN, RYAN SPERLING, UM, A DOCUMENT ON THE CENTRAL CITY DISTRICT PLAN, UM, THAT, UH, A PDF THAT HE SHARED WITH ME, OR A SLIDE DECK, UM, FROM THIS WEEK'S DOWNTOWN COMMISSION MEETING. UH, AND PERHAPS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN SHARE OR, OR PULL UP, UH, AS WAY OF DISCUSSION. UH, OF COURSE, UH, I, I WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, PART OF PUTTING THIS PDF TOGETHER, SO I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, AND I'M NOT [00:25:01] CERTAIN HOW MUCH INFORMATION THIS COMMISSION HAS ON THE CENTRAL CITY PLAN. I'M HAPPY TO PULL THAT UP AND SHARE IT HERE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OR, OR OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT PLAN CURRENTLY ENTAILS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS THE EXISTING BOUNDARIES AND WHAT, WHAT'S INTENDED AND HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT. WE CAN GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT JUST KIND OF TELLS A STORY OF HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW, I ABSOLUTELY, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE. AND HOPEFULLY IT DOES PAINT THAT PICTURE FOR US. GIMME ONE SECOND. CAN YOU CONFIRM IF YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN? YEP, WE CAN SEE IT. ALL RIGHT. SO, AGAIN, AS MUCH OF, OF THIS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE ALL SAYING THIS, UH, AT THE SAME TIME I RECEIVED NO, NO ADDITIONAL BRIEFING, UH, ON THIS DOCUMENT, BUT THIS WAS SHARED WITH THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION. AND, UM, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED BOUNDARY FOR THE CENTRAL CITY DISTRICT. AND, UH, IF STAFF CAN SPEAK TO THIS AT ALL, AND, UH, SHARE THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS ON HOW THIS MIGHT IMPACT THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE DOWNTOWN, UH, THE CURRENT BOUNDARIES THAT DEFINE THE PURVIEW OF THE, UH, THE URBAN DESIGN COMMISSION. I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR, HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. UH, IT DOES SEEM AS THOUGH, UM, THERE'S A SORT OF RE RE REDRAFTING OF WHAT IS ESSENTIAL THAT THE CENTRAL CITY AREA OR, UM, UH, A COMBINED DISTRICT, WHICH, UH, INCLUDES THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN DISTRICT WITH THE UT AREA AND THE SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT. IT'S, WAS IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE WAS, THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE A, A REQUEST FOR A STAFF BRIEFING, IS THAT CORRECT? PROBABLY, YEAH. I MEAN, AGAIN, I CANNOT, UH, YES. THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL. YEAH. UH, I CAN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, GIVE A PRESENTATION ON SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT , SO IT'S ME SHARING WITH YOU THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE, WHICH IS THIS PDF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO'S, WHO'S WORKING IN AND AROUND, YEAH. THIS DOCUMENT. WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT? WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY JUST GIVING THE INFORMATION TO THIS COMMISSION WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE AND, AND KNOW AND UNDERSTAND. AGAIN, IT FEELS AS THOUGH IT'S SORT OF ECONOMIC OVERLAY, UH, BUT NOT, NOT UNDERSTANDING ANY FURTHER. I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY ASSUMPTION, RIGHT, OF WHAT, WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS, IS, UH, FOR, UM, IF IT'S NOT, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN THAT AND IT ISN'T, IT IS INTENDED TO BE AN EXPANDING OF WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THAT TO ME, YOU KNOW, EQUATES TO AND BECOMES PART OF THIS COMMISSION'S, UM, PURVIEW AS AN EXPANSION OF THE AREA THAT WE WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING. OF COURSE, THIS IS ALL CONNECTED TO AND TIED TO THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, PLEASE. UM, SO I THINK WE HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO, AS A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF TOUCH ON SOME HIGH POINTS, AND I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, WE CAN PROBABLY, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, FLUIDLY ON FUTURE, ON, UH, SOME ITEMS LATER, LATER DOWN THE LIST. UM, BUT MY, UH, I DON'T SPEAK AS A, YOU KNOW, A MEMBER OF STAFF WORKING ON THIS PROJECT OR ANYTHING, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS, UM, BOUNDARY IS NOT INTENDED TO CHANGE, UM, OR NOT TO CHANGE, TO INCORPORATE THIS WHOLE AREA RIGHT NOW, THAT THIS AREA IS COMPOSED OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BONUS PROGRAMS, UH, INCLUDING UNO, UM, WHICH IS A BONUS PROGRAM, UH, AROUND, UH, WEST CAMPUS. UM, IT'S, UH, I, THERE'S RAINY STREET, KIND OF ON THE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT HAS ITS OWN DISTRICT, ITS OWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING IS ACTUALLY FORMALLY ADOPTED FOR SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT OR, UH, [00:30:01] MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH FORMALIZED WITH THAT. SO EVERY PROJECT THAT'S GOING THROUGH, THERE IS A P UH, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS JUST KIND OF CUSTOM ZONING. UM, UH, AND SO THERE IS A SECTION WITHIN THIS BOUNDARY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY, UH, BONUS PROGRAM, BUT THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, WON'T NECESSARILY SHIFT WITH THIS, UH, GEOGRAPHY. AND, AND, UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS GEOGRAPHY IS, IS INTENDED TO REPRESENT, HEY, THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE CENTRAL, URBAN CORE OF THE CITY. IT NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ENOUGH SIMILARITY, THERE'S ENOUGH CONNECTIVITY HERE THAT WE NEED TO PLAN IT AS ONE, ONE PLACE. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION OF, OF THIS EXPANDED SORT OF GEOGRAPHY IN THE PLANNING, UH, IN THIS PLANNING STRATEGY. UM, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A DESIGN COMMISSION WE HAVE, WE CERTAINLY, UM, SHOULD BE, UH, ENGAGED AND, AND THINKING ABOUT HOW URBAN DESIGN, UM, IS, IS BEING STANDARDIZED AND IMPLEMENTED. UH, YOU KNOW, OUR GOOD URBAN DESIGN IS BEING IMPLEMENTED IN, IN THESE AREAS. 'CAUSE IT'S MOST IMPORTANT IN, UH, IN THE DENSEST AND MOST CONNECTED PARTS OF OUR CITY. UM, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY, SAFETY MATTER, UM, MATTER THE MOST, UH, IN, IN, IN MANY CASES. SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE HERE. SO, UM, I GUESS MY, UH, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO ONE OF OUR INTENTIONS IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH WAS TO MAKE THE DESIGN NEW DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATE, UH, MORE APPLICABLE OUTSIDE OF THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN. AND THAT, THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD MEAN IN WEST CAMPUS, THAT COULD MEAN RAINY STREET, THAT COULD MEAN, UH, TODS, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, IT, IT REALLY ANYWHERE WHERE URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS REALLY, REALLY MATTER. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SUBJECT, KIND OF ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW ARE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED? UM, WHICH WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT, I THINK, IN MORE DETAIL, UH, ON SOME OF THE, THE, UM, AGENDA ITEMS FURTHER DOWN THE LIST. YES. UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER. UH, AND YEAH, I, I CERTAINLY DO WANT US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS CERTAINLY SEEMS TO ME TO BE, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY THOROUGH, YOU KNOW, VERY, UH, INTEGRATED AND FULLY PLANNED DOCUMENT THAT, UH, REALLY TALKS ABOUT THE FUTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC PLANNING TOWARDS THE FUTURE. UM, AND SO IT PERHAPS AS, AS THIS GROUP PERTAINS, YOU KNOW, TO THIS INFORMATION, WE'RE, WE'RE SOMEHOW ON, ON THE OUTSIDE, UM, OF, OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS WAS JUST MENTIONED, THERE ARE OVERLAPS, UH, HERE AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING IF THERE IS AN INTENTION FOR EXPANSION, EXPANSION OF OUR, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING, UM, SUGGESTED AS, UH, UH, UNIFYING ACROSS THIS CENTRAL GROUP. UH, I CERTAINLY WANT US TO STAY INFORMED AND, UM, BE CONNECTED WITH THE CHANGES OR THE, YOU KNOW, BE ALSO, UH, UH, VOICE FOR RECOMMENDATION IN SOME OF THESE, UH, SUGGESTIONS AND CHANGES. UH, AS, AS WE ARE, AS, AS HAS BEEN SAID, THE GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS MOST CLOSELY RELATED TO, UH, THE, THE URBAN SCALE THAT THIS IS SUGGESTING, AS, YOU KNOW, ONE UNIFIED CENTRAL REGION. AND OF COURSE, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED. A LOT OF THESE AREAS HAVE THEIR OWN LANDS, BUT, UM, THERE IS NOW ONE BOUNDARY THAT UNITES THEM ALL, AND, AND WE ARE PART OF THAT. AND SO WE, WE SHOULD ALSO BE A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION. I WILL STOP SHARING. YEAH. YOU SAID THAT THEY DID NOT GIVE YOU A, A STAFF BRIEFING AT THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION ON THAT. I WAS NOT A, I'M NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION, SO I, I DID NOT RECEIVE A STAFF BRIEFING ON IT. UH, I WAS EXPECTING THAT THERE WOULD BE A STAFF BRIEFING FOR THE URBAN DESIGN COMMISSION, AND PERHAPS WE CAN REQUEST THAT IN, IN A FOLLOW UP, UH, OR IN OUR NEXT MEETING, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PUT TO STAFF SO THAT THERE CAN BE, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS GROUP TO SHARE, UH, OUR UNDERSTANDING, ASK QUESTIONS AND, AND KNOW WHERE WE MIGHT PARTAKE IN ANY OF THE CONVERSATION THAT'S BEING HAD. [00:35:02] YEAH, I THINK WHEN WE GET THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, WE WILL, WE CAN REQUEST THAT AND VOTE ON IT OR GET A SPONSOR FOR THAT CHAIR. MAY ? YES, PLEASE. UH, CHAD SCHWAR HERE. UM, WE HAVE THE DISTRICT PLANNING TEAM THAT CAN SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, UM, ON MAY 18TH TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION AND PROVIDE A STAFF BRIEFING IF THAT IS SO DESIRED. YEAH. MAY, MAY 18TH. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW JUST HOW MUCH WE CAN REALLY DIG INTO IT. UH, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A STAFF BRIEFING IN ORDER TO KIND OF HEAR WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE PROCESS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE TO RECEIVE FOR ALL OF US TO RECEIVE A COPY OF THIS DECK OF THE PRESENTATION? I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. UM, I MAY CHAIR, YES, PLEASE. WE, WE'LL GET A COPY OF THAT AND EMAIL IT THROUGH OUR STAFF LIAISON. OKAY. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE EMAILING EACH OTHER. THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS ON THIS, ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION. UH, CHAIR. YES. SORRY. UM, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO MOVE, UM, ITEMS FIVE AND SEVEN AHEAD OF FOUR. JUST, UM, I THINK THAT OUR, OUR, UM, OUR, SOME OF OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS ARE, ARE KIND OF, UH, NUANCED AND IN THE WEEDS, AND IT'D BE NICE FOR SOME OF THE, THE FOLKS HERE TO PRESENT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT. SURE. LET'S, LET'S GO [5. Discussion and action to recommend to City Council whether the project Nash Hernandez Building Renovation, located at 1621 Nash Hernandez Senior Road in Holly Shores/ Edward Rendon Sr. Metropolitan Park at Festival Beach, complies with the City Design and Sustainability Standards. Presented by Philip Reed, Levy Dykema Architects.] AHEAD AND JUMP TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GO OUTTA ORDER HERE. SO, SO A DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL, WHETHER THE PROJECT NASH HERNANDEZ BUILDING RENOVATION LOCATED AT 1621 NASH HERNANDEZ SENIOR ROAD, UM, COMPLIES WITH THE CITY DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS. UH, THIS IS PRESENTED BY PHILIP REED. HI, MY NAME IS INGRID KONG. I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, AND I'M JUST INTRODUCING THE PROJECT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, AUSTIN PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. UM, THIS, UM, PROJECT REHABILITATES, THE EXISTING NOW HERNANDEZ BUILDING, UM, ON PARKLAND AS PART OF THE COUNCIL APPROVED 2014 HOLLY SHORES, EDWARD RENDON, SR. PARK AT FESTIVAL BEACH VISION PLAN. AND IT WILL BE USED AS DEPARTMENT, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, AND, UH, WITH COMMUNITY SERVING SPACES. UH, WITH THAT, I'LL LEAVE THE REST OF IT TO, UH, THE ARCHITECT FROM LEVY DEMA ARCHITECTS. PHIL REED, HOW YOU DOING? ? UM, SORRY. THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A PRETTY EASY PRESENTATION. UM, JUST TO PLACE MYSELF, UM, PHILLIP REED. I'M AN ARCHITECT HERE IN AUSTIN WITH LEVY DMA. I USED TO HAVE A FIRM CALLED RA REED FOR 35, FOR 25 YEARS. UH, I WAS ALSO ON THE DESIGN COMMISSION FOR 10 YEARS, AND VERY INVOLVED IN WRITING THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE DENSITY BONUS. AND I ACTUALLY WROTE THE UNO OVERLAY, SO HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT THE CONVERSATION YOU JUST HAD, BUT I'LL, I'LL DEFER THEM IN THE MOMENT. ANYWAY, THIS IS A SMALL PROJECT DOWN ON THE LAKE. I'VE GOT THESE INITIAL SLIDES BECAUSE, UH, YOUR FORMAT ASKS FOR, UH, SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES. SO, UH, THESE ARE FROM OUR LEAD APPLICATION, AND THE LITTLE RED DOTS ARE, I COULD, I CAN'T POINT TO ANYTHING, BUT IF, UH, THE BUILDING'S AT THE VERY LOWEST CENTER OF THE PAGE RIGHT THERE, AND THE RED DOTS AROUND IT ARE, ARE BUS STOPS. AND THEN SALTILLO PLAZA'S UP AT THE TOP, AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST ZOOMS IN A LITTLE BIT. IT SHOWS SOME ADJACENCIES THERE. IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE LAKE. IT'S, UH, IN A TREE, UH, IN A VERY TREE AREA IN THE PARK, UH, RIGHT ON NASH HERNANDEZ, UH, BOULEVARD. [00:40:02] AND GO. ONE MORE. AND SO HERE'S AN AREA OF IT AND, AND ALSO A PICTURE OF NASH PLAYING HIS HORN, AND OH, OKAY. GREAT. THANKS. AND SO THE BUILDING IS IN THE TREES HERE. YOU JUST SORT OF SEE IT RIGHT THERE. IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR, GOSH, AT LEAST 12 YEARS. UH, IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. AND, UH, OUR GOAL IS JUST SIMPLY TO REBUILD IT, UH, IN THE FORM THAT IT USED TO BE IN. SO IT'S ON A VERY SLOPED SITE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO STORIES IN THE BACK, ONE STORY IN THE FRONT. UH, SO THE LOWER LEVEL IS KIND OF UNDERGROUND ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS THE TOP SLIDE. UH, AND WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT NEW WINDOWS IN IT, BASICALLY EXACTLY WHERE, UH, THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE. WE'RE GONNA PUT A NEW ROOF IN IT, COMPLETE MECHANICAL, UH, REDO ELECTRICAL, UH, HVAC AND, AND PLUMBING, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, REBUILD THE BUILDING. WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA, UH, CHANGE THE FLOOR PLAN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE INTERIORS BASICALLY, UH, PRETTY WRECKED OUT. THEY HAD, UH, SOME, UH, ASBESTOS ABATEMENT DONE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, I THINK. AND THEY REALLY JUST KIND OF TORE EVERYTHING APART INSIDE THE BUILDING. SO THOSE, THAT'S THE EXISTING STATE OF IT. IT'S DONE IN, UH, 1966. THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL PLANS. IT WAS, UH, OFFICE FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL, AND THE LOWER LEVEL WAS BASICALLY, UH, EVIDENCE STORAGE, UH, FOR THOSE CASES THAT HE WAS WORKING ON. UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, PARKING LOT UP ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT BASICALLY INTACT. THERE'S ALSO A, AN ADDITIONAL PARKING LOT, UH, JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF THAT, THAT'S KIND OF, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THIS OVERFLOW. THE LITTLE BROWN AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE IS, UH, PART OF MARTIN MIDDLE SCHOOL'S, UH, BALL FIELD. AND IT GETS USED A LOT, YOU KNOW, NIGHTS AND AND WEEKENDS BY THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY TEND TO PARK IN, IN BOTH THESE LOTS. BUT DURING THE DAY, UH, PEOPLE USING THE BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY USE BOTH THOSE LOTS. WE NEED TO, UM, WIDEN ONE OF THE ENTRANCES IN THE PARKING, WHICH IS THE UPPER LEFT HAND ENTRANCE TO MAKE IT A FIRE LANE. WE'RE GONNA ADD, UH, PV CHARGERS AND THE KIND OF SWIRLY SIDEWALK IS GONNA BE A NEW ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALK DOWN FROM THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS HIGHER TO THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS LOWER. AND THE PLANS WILL BASICALLY BE, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, OFFICES FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, OPEN OFFICE SPACE, A COUPLE OF OFFICES IN EACH SUITE. AND THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA IN THE MIDDLE IS GONNA BE A, A MEETING ROOM SEPARATED FROM THE LOBBY BY A, UH, RETRACTABLE GLASS PARTITION. AND THE COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, USE THAT ROOM, I THINK SIGN UP FOR IT, AND, AND CHECK IT OUT ESSENTIALLY. AND IF THE MEETINGS THAT THEY HAVE GET LARGER THAN FIT IN THAT ROOM, WE CAN PULL THAT GLASS WALL OUT AND HAVE THEM USE THE LOBBY AND THAT CONFERENCE SPACE. WE'LL PUT A NEW ELEVATOR IN, UH, LOWER LEVEL'S, GONNA HAVE MORE OFFICES, SOME MECHANICAL SPACES, AND A SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM. AND THESE ARE THE JUST RENDERED ELEVATIONS. IT'S WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WINDOW, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY LIKE THE BUILDING THAT IT WAS BEFORE IT DETERIORATED. AND, UH, WE WILL, I THINK, BE LOOKING FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON IT. WE'VE BEEN TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AND THEY LOOKED FAVORABLY ON IT SO FAR. AND THEN I THINK WE'VE GOT, THIS IS A KIND OF A, OUR RENDER ON THE TOP IN THE EXISTING, UH, SHOT OF WHAT ON THE BOTTOM IN BOTH THE SLIDES. AND THAT'S THE PRESENTATION. BUT THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR MOVING US UP IN THE AGENDA. SO WE'RE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HOWARD? UM, I, UH, LINKS FOR YOUR GREAT WORK ON THIS. I THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, UH, REUSING A, A, UM, PUBLIC ASSET, IT IS A SUPER SUSTAINABLE YEAH. UM, EVEN WITHOUT BELLS AND WHISTLES, AND SO APPRECIATE IT. UM, AND, UH, ALSO FEEL FREE TO STAY FOR THE, THE DISCUSSION DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OUTTA THAT CONVERSATION. TEMPTING. YEAH. YEAH. [00:45:01] THANKS. CAN Y'ALL SHOW THE COMMISSIONERS? I CAN'T SEE ANYONE ON THE SCREEN CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS IS, WAIT ONE SECOND. COMMISSIONER AULA. COMMISSIONER CARROLL? YES. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UH, JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. IS THIS IN THE FLOODPLAIN? IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, NO, IT'S SEVERAL FEET UP ABOVE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER AULA. YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, GOOD TO KNOW THAT, UH, YOU ARE, YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN COMMITTEE AND ALL FOR 10 PLUS YEARS. APPRECIATE IT, UH, REGARDING THIS SPACE. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. I USE THE TOWN LAKE, UH, HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO BRING IT BACK INTO OPERATION AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME COMMUNITY SPACES AND ALL OF THAT. UH, JUST CURIOUS, WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION DESIGNATION, WHAT, WHAT RESTRICTIONS OR WHAT COMPROMISES WERE YOU FORCED TO MAKE FROM A USABILITY AND FROM THE DESIGN PERSPECTIVE? WERE THERE ANY THINGS THAT WE ARE, UM, THAT WE WOULD'VE DONE NORMALLY THAT WE ARE NOT DOING RIGHT NOW? UM, NOT REALLY. IT, THE BUILDING IS GONNA SERVE ALMOST THE SAME FUNCTION IT DID PREVIOUSLY AS OFFICES. AND, UH, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO MANIPULATE THE INTERIOR SO THAT PEOPLE, EVERYONE GETS A VIEW OUT. AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, I'M TALKING ABOUT KEEPING THE FACADES IN THE SAME, UH, ARRANGEMENT THAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN OFFICE SPACES IN THERE THAT, UH, CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS IN A VARIETY OF PLACES. SO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE, UH, IS WORKING FINE IN, IN THE PLANTS. AND IT'S BASICALLY THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S CONCERNED ABOUT HISTORICALLY MAINTAINING THAT. SO. OKAY. IT SEEMS FINE. THANK YOU. THANKS. VICE CHAIR MINERS. OKAY. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, SO SURE. THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, I LOOKED UP THE NAMESAKE AND I, I JUST WONDERED IF YOU, UH, ARE ABLE TO, UH, SHARE ANY DETAILS ABOUT WHY IT WAS NAMED AFTER SURE. THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME NOTES. YEAH. UM, SO NASH NASH HERNANDEZ, UH, LET'S SEE. HE WAS ORIGINALLY FROM FREDERICKSBURG, MOVED TO AUSTIN IN THE FORTIES, AND HE STARTED, UH, A BIG BAND. HIS HAD AN ORCHESTRA THAT HE STARTED IN 1949. AND THE THING THAT HE DID THAT WAS SO, UH, THAT KIND OF STUCK WITH AUSTIN SO MUCH WAS THERE WAS A, UH, AN ORGANIZATION EAST AUSTIN THAT DEALT WITH, UH, ISSUES OF HISPANIC RIGHTS, RIGHT, RIGHT. AT A TIME WHEN IT WAS REALLY NEEDED. AND IT'S CALLED LULA. AND HE WOULD PLAY AT THEIR MEETINGS, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE PARTIES, AND IT BECAME KINDA THIS BIG SOCIAL THING. AND HE ALSO HAD A CLUB THAT HE WOULD PLAY AT, AND HE HAD A, UH, HE, HIS, HIS WAY OF PLAYING AS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS THAT, UH, HE DIDN'T PLAY CONJUNTO MUSIC. HE DIDN'T, UH, PLAY, UH, A LOT OF LIKE TEX-MEX SORT OF THING. HE WOULD PLAY BIG BAND STANDARDS AND HE'D PLAY SONGS FROM JAMAICA AND UH, THEY JUST, HE HAD A BAND, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME. HIS SON TOOK IT OVER. UH, THAT'S KIND OF ALL I KNOW, BUT, UH, HE JUST SEEMED LIKE A GREAT GUY. INGRID'S GOT SOMETHING. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. UM, THE BUILDING WAS PREVIOUSLY THE FIRE MARSHAL'S BUILDING. THE, THE ORIGIN OF THE BUILDING AND THE PARK ROAD THAT THE BUILDING IS ON IS NA NASH HERNANDEZ SENIOR ROAD. SO BY DEFAULT, THE BUILDING IS NAMED AFTER THE ROAD THAT IT'S ON. UM, AND THEN THE ROAD IS NAMED AFTER THE, THE BACKGROUND THAT, UH, PHIL'S DESCRIBING. BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S A STANDARD PROTOCOL THAT WE DO, AND THERE'S ANOTHER PROCESS FOR RENAMING THE ROUTE, THE BUILDING IF WE CHOOSE DOWN THE ROAD. OKAY. JUST THIS PART, YOU HAVE ANY INTENTIONS TO RENAME? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE INTENTIONS TO RENAME IT AT THIS TIME. COOL. AND THE REASON I ASK IS JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THAT IT IS NAMED AFTER SOMEONE AND THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, CULTURAL, UM, CONSIDERATIONS, I GUESS FOR HONORING THE PERSON THAT IS NAMED AFTER THERE ARE ACTUALLY, YEAH. YEAH. WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE HAVE SPACE IN THE LOBBY, UH, YOU DON'T NEED TO PULL IT UP OR ANYTHING, BUT THERE'S, [00:50:01] UH, YOU KNOW, WALL SPACE THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT A KIND OF, UH, UH, DESCRIPTION, YOU KNOW, OF NASH AND THE BUILDING AND THE, AND THE AREA AND JUST HOW, WHAT HE MEANT TO THE EAST SIDE, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS A LOT. COOL. AND THEN WITH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, I ASSUME THAT, UM, THEY'RE PRETTY, UH, PRESCRIPTIVE WITH WHAT YOU CAN DO ON THE INSIDE OR ON THE OUTSIDE RATHER, BUT ON THE INTERIOR. UM, DO YOU HAVE LIBERTY WITH ART OR ANY? WE DO. OKAY. YEAH, WE DO. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, WE'RE SORT OF JUST GETTING INTO DESIGN, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, AND WE HAVE SOME PLANS AND LAYOUTS, BUT WE NEED TO, WE HAVE MEETINGS SET UP, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO GO OVER HOW THEY WOULD USE THE BUILDING AND HOW MUCH SPACE THEY NEED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT IN FLUX, BUT NO, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE INSIDE. OKAY. YEAH, IT'D BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT EVOLVES AND IF YOU COULD INCLUDE ANY OF THAT IN ANY, YOU KNOW, UPCOMING PACKAGES OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION, YOU BET. AS PART OF YOUR REQUIREMENT. YEAH, WE'RE WORKING ON IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY, COOL. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS JUST FROM, UH, AN ACCESSIBILITY PERSPECTIVE, UM, I SAW THAT YOU HAVE A RAMP, YOU, YOU SAID THE, UM, IT'S A SIDEWALKS, A SIDEWALK. OKAY. IT'S NOT GONNA RAMP, IT'S NOT A RAMP. OKAY. AND WAS THAT SELECTED, UH, BASED ON, UM, ITS LOCATION, PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT OPTIONS? UM, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS MAKE A WAY, IT'S, IT'S A VERY BIG BLOCK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AREA THAT'S SURROUNDED BY THE ROAD THERE, AND WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE A ACCESSIBLE WAY FROM THE NORTH SIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE. AND SO IT REALLY WASN'T, YOU KNOW, INTEGRATED INTO TRANSPORTATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH MIGHT HAPPEN LATER. YOU KNOW, IF THE BUILDING'S OPERATING, THEY COULD PUT A STOP THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD GREAT. UH, BUT WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EASY KIND OF SIDEWALK AND WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE HALFWAY, LEMME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. THE SHAPE OF IT HAD TO DO NOT ONLY WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY, BUT LARGE EXISTING TREES THAT, UH, THEIR LIMBS KIND OF COME DOWN TO THE GROUND AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CAREFULLY PRUNE THIS ONE, BUT NOT TOUCH THAT ONE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THAT'S WHERE THE SHAPE CAME FROM. BUT WHEN HE GOES UP UNDER THE TREES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE AREA WHERE YOU COULD SIT DOWN, HANG OUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, ON THAT LITTLE PATH. AND THAT'S KIND OF ABOUT AS FAR AS WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN IT AT THIS POINT. OKAY. AND THEN I SAW, UH, THE EV CHARGING WAS INCLUDED. DO YOU HAVE OTHER, UM, ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION CONSIDERATIONS? BIKE RACKS THAT WE DO. OKAY. FOR SURE. BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. OKAY. LIKE A COMMUTER SHOWER POSSIBILITY? WE DO, WE DO HAVE A SHOWER. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A, A, A LEAD SILVER, AND SO THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WE DO TO HELP DO THAT. OH, COOL. EASY POINTS. OKAY. COOL. UM, AND THEN FROM A, UM, UH, LIKE THE PERIMETER PERSPECTIVE, UM, I THINK I SAW FENCING. IS THERE CURRENTLY FENCING A PLAN FOR FENCING OR, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS. IN THE BACK, THERE'S A AREA OF FLAT WORK THAT'S NOT SMALL. YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY HALF THE SIZE OF THE SPACE, UH, THAT'S FENCED IN AND IT WAS DONE, UH, I DON'T, I THINK IT WAS DONE BACK WHEN IT WAS STILL OCCUPIED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS A KIND OF SECURITY THING. THEY, THEY PUT ALL THEIR STUFF BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, AND IN THIS PROJECT WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, SEARCHING FOR FUNDING AND WE HAVE DECIDED TO PUSH THE DEVELOPMENT BACK OF, YOU KNOW, PUSH IT OFF IN TIME OF DOING THAT BACK AREA. UH, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'D BE GREAT TO GET THE FENCE OUT AND THE FLAT WORK AND HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD EAT LUNCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST NOT IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET. WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT AT THIS MOMENT. OKAY, COOL. SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD INCLUDE ANY ACCESS TO THE WATER FROM THE BUILDING? YOU CAN GET IN AND OUT. I MEAN, THE FENCE HAS GATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OH, SURE. OKAY. THERE'S A PATHWAY OR SOMETHING TO, TO THE WATER? YES. OKAY. YEAH, THERE IS. OKAY. IT GOES STRAIGHT DOWN FROM THE, FROM THE BUILDING SOUTH. OKAY, COOL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SURE. THANKS A LOT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? WELL, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS ONE AND MOVE FORWARD. ME TOO. I ALWAYS SEE THIS BUILDING AS WE GO THROUGH OUR WALKS THERE. AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A LITTLE STATUE THERE TOO OF, UH, IS THAT NA HERNANDEZ AROUND THAT SAME AREA. UM, BUT YEAH, I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THAT BUILDING AND IT, IT JUST, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING STRUCTURE. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS WITH ITS OVERHANGS AND IT'S TWO SIDES. UM, AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT. MY ONLY QUESTION WAS ABOUT ON THAT WALKWAY THAT'S WRAPPING AROUND ON THE WEST SIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INTERIOR PART OF THAT SOUNDS LIKE Y'ALL ARE WORKING THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE KIND OF DESIGN AND POSSIBLY GONNA BE ABLE TO [00:55:01] UTILIZE THAT SPACE AS SOME SORT OF SITTING AND, UH, RECREATIONAL AREA. YEAH. HOPEFULLY WE'D LIKE TO DEVELOP THAT FURTHER. YEAH. YEAH. IF TOPOGRAPHY ALLOWS, I GUESS. YEAH, YOU BET. UM, ALRIGHT, WELL APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. ALRIGHT, THANKS A LOT. THANK YOU. UH, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. UM, THE, THE DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM RECOMMEND, UH, OH, WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS. YEAH. SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEP. UM, WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE THEY SEEKING? IS IT COM LIKE A LETTER OR RECOMMENDATION? WHAT IS IT? UH, JUST THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE CITY DESIGN AND CON, UH, SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS. OKAY. UM, OKAY. DO YOU HAVE I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IT MEETS THE CITY SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS, UM, WITH SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR SOME OF THE TALKING POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE DISCUSSION. OKAY. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEST TO JUST DO THAT MOTION NOW AND HAVE IT SECONDED AND THEN COME BACK AND ADD ON, OR JUST HAVE IT ALL IN ONE FELL SWOOP. I SAY GO FOR IT. GO NOW AND THEN WAIT, HOLD ON. I CHAIR. YES. IS THAT CITY DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS, OR JUST SUSTAINABILITY? I BELIEVE YOU SAID SUSTAINABILITY ONLY. COMMISSIONER, WHEN WE SAY CITY STANDARDS, WE'RE REFERRING TO THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES. WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE RESOLUTION SAYS. IT SAYS CITY DESIGN, SUSTAIN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS. SO, OKAY. I BELIEVE THE MOTION ONLY INCLUDED SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS. THAT'S FINE. I HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION. I HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION YET. NO MOTION YET. MY APOLOGIES CHAIR. THAT'S OKAY. COOL. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IT, DID YOU HAVE A, SORRY, . OKAY. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IT MEETS THE CITY'S DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT INCLUDE, UH, ART, UM, WITHIN THE INTERIOR SPACE. UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY A PLAN FOR THAT, SO, UM, I WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE THAT. UM, I THINK ALSO, UM, JUST CONSIDERATION FOR, UH, ALTERNATIVE, UH, COMMUTERS, UM, WITH BICYCLE RACKS AND WHATNOT. UM, I KNOW THEY SAID THAT THERE'S A PLAN FOR IT, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY, UH, INCLUDED. UM, AND THEN, UM, JUST THAT ADDITIONAL PHASES WHICH, YOU KNOW, ARE YET TO BE PLANNED. UM, CONSIDER PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE BUILDING AND TO THE SHORELINE. UH, AND I THINK THAT'S IT. CONSIDER PUBLIC ACCESS FROM THE BUILDING TO THE SHORELINE. YES. IN FUTURE PHASES. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THIS MOTION. UM, ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE NOW CHAIR? I HAVE, SO ONE QUICK QUESTION RELATED TO THIS MOTION IS, IS IT ONLY FROM THE BUILDING TO THE SHORELINE OR FROM THE SHORE ALSO TO THE BUILDING? IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE THE RESTROOMS OR ANY OF THEM? THERE'S NOTHING CLOSE BY THERE. UM, YOU HAVE TO GO QUITE A BIT ACTUALLY. SO I MEAN, YES, , I I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD SIGNIFY, UH, ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. I MEAN, WITHIN REASON WITH OPERATING HOURS AND WHATNOT. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THAT BRINGS UP A GOOD QUESTION AND I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF A CLARIFICATION OF JUST THIS BUILDING AS IT, WHEN IT, ONCE IT'S CREATED, IS IT GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE RESTROOMS OR SOMEONE FROM THE YES. SHOULD HAVE ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM? OH, SORRY, WE, WE NEED YOU ON THE RECORD, PLEASE. I'M SORRY. WHAT'S THAT? UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, IT WILL BE PUBLICLY, UM, IT'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THERE'LL BE THE RESTROOMS AS AN [01:00:01] AMENITY, UM, DURING, UM, OFFICE HOURS, LIKE WHEN THE BUILDING IS OPEN. AND I BELIEVE, I THINK THAT'S THE PRIMARY AMENITY AVAILABLE. OKAY. I BELIEVE I SAW THAT IN THE PLAN TOO, JUST YEAH, THERE WERE RESTROOMS THERE, BUT I THINK THERE WAS A MENTION THAT THE MEETING ROOMS GET SCHEDULED. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER AULA, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, IT DOES, IT DOES ANSWER MY QUESTION IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS, BUT IT OPENS UP ON THE QUESTION. DOES IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE TRAIL, UH, IT'S A PUBLIC BUILDING. IS IT POSSIBLE OR EVEN CONSIDERED THAT ACCESS TO THE RESTROOMS? UM, AGAIN, IT, IT'S A, JUST, JUST A THOUGHT. RIGHT. AND, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE ACCESS OR IS IT JUST STRICTLY DURING OFFICE HOURS? WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S STRICTLY DURING OFFICE HOURS, IF I DIDN'T, IF I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY. YEAH, STRICTLY DURING OFFICE HOURS. OKAY. GOT COMMISSIONER CAROL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. THERE. THERE IS A BRAND NEW RESTROOM BUILDING JUST WEST OF THIS BUILDING THAT'S FOR TRAIL USERS. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE BEFORE WE GO TO VOTE? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT THIS PROJECT IMPLIES WITH THE CITY DESIGNED A SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS WITH THE ADDED, UH, THREE ITEMS THAT WERE ADDED TO INCLUDE ART AT THE INTERIOR SPACE TO CONSIDER PROVIDING, UM, PARKING OR ACCOMMODATIONS FOR ALTERNATIVE COMMUTERS. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN TO CONSIDER PUBLIC ACCESS FROM THE BUILDING TO THE SHORELINE. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. IT'S UNANIMOUS. ANYONE AGAINST? WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GET THE, WE'LL GET Y'ALL THE RECOMMENDATION UPLOADED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT [7. Discussion and action to recommend to City Council whether the project Fiesta Gardens, located at 2101 Jesse E. Segovia St., complies with the City Design and Sustainability Standards. Presented by Clayton Korte and Travis Greig of Clayton Korte. ] ITEM THAT WE'RE MOVING UP IS A DISCUSSION ACTION ITEM TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL WHETHER THE PROJECT FIESTA GARDENS LOCATED AT 2101 JESSE SEGOVIA STREET, UH, COMPLIES WITH THE CITY DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS. UH, CHAIR, IF I MAY, UH, THAT ITEM, UH, IF WE COULD GET A VOTE FOR POSTPONEMENT ON THAT STAFF WAS NOT, UH, PREPARED WITH BACKUP IN TIME. OKAY. MOTION TO POSTPONE. ALL RIGHT. AND I'LL SECOND THAT TO NEXT MONTH. TO NEXT MONTH, AND I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS ITEM TO NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA. ANY OPPOSED? POSED. ALRIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE BACK UP [4. Discussion on the future of the Downtown Density Bonus Program and integrating urban design guidelines, principles, and standards into that process. Sponsors: Commissioners Howard and Carroll. ] TO NUMBER FOUR, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE FUTURE OF THE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM AND INTEGRATING URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, PRINCIPLES AND STANDARDS INTO THAT PROCESS. COMMISSIONER HOWARD? SURE. UH, YEAH, SO THIS, THIS IS A KIND OF A, I BELIEVE THIS IS OUR STANDING, UH, AGENDA ITEM. UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE FROM, UH, WHAT WE, WHAT WE CHATTED WITH, UM, ALAN AND THE DENSITY BONUS, UM, PROGRAM TEAM ABOUT, UM, I, THE, THE INTENTION BASED ON LEGAL RISK AND, AND SOME PRETTY CONSERVATIVE INTERPRETATION OF STATE LAW IS TO MOVE AWAY FROM, UH, DISCRETIONARY, UH, FROM DISCRETIONARY REVIEW REQUIREMENTS FOR BONUS PROGRAMS. UH, UH, AND SO ANYTHING THAT, UH, IS BASED OFF OF A GUIDELINE WOULD IN INNATELY BE DISCRETIONARY. IT REQUIRES A DISCRETION TO INTERPRET THE GUIDELINE AND APPLY IT TO A PROJECT, ET CETERA. UM, AND SO THE INTENTION IS TO, UM, REPLACE THE DESIGN, THE REVIEW OF THE, UH, OVER DESIGN GUIDELINES WITH DESI URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS. THEY HAVE, UH, PROVIDED A FIRST DRAFT OF WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE, AND WE JUST SENT IT TODAY AND WE'LL MEET WITH THEM ABOUT IT ON FRIDAY, UM, TO DISCUSS AND WE WILL, UM, AND GIVE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK ON THAT. UM, THERE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION [01:05:01] ABOUT KIND OF MULT, THE MULTI-PHASE NATURE OF THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, SORT OF, UM, REWRITE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT ONLY IS IT DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S TRYING TO MAKE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, COHESIVE SET OF, UH, DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS WITHIN THE CITY. UM, AND ROLL THEM OUT, UH, THROUGH A, UH, INDIVIDUAL, UH, A ZONE STRING, SORT OF LIKE, UM, EACH PROGRAM WILL HAVE ITS OWN ZONING ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM, AND SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SYSTEM. UM, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO JUST KIND OF LIKE LEGAL RISK FOR THE MOST PART, UM, NOTIFICATION ISSUES AND JUST KIND OF REALLY CROSSING T'S AND DOTTING I'S. UM, AND I WOULD SAY, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, PULLING AWAY FROM JUST REPORTING BACK, UH, BUT MY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, WORKING ON A LOT OF DESIGN STANDARDS IN, IN CODE, UM, AND, UH, THIS IS A VERY, VERY SHORT TIMELINE, UM, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO BE IMPLEMENTED, UM, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT A LONG HISTORY OF SORT OF CONSIDERATION. UM, UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE, UM, THERE IS SOME, SOME RISK THAT WE'RE GONNA GET IT REALLY, REALLY WRONG. UM, UH, AND I THINK THAT, UH, THERE'S ALSO RISK THAT IF WE DO NOT, UH, IF, IF A, A COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE OF URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS ARE NOT ADOPTED IN PHASE ONE, IT'LL BE A WHOLE LOT HARDER TO GET DESIGN, NEW DESIGN STANDARDS ADDED LATER. UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE SOMETHING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE SOMETHING HAS BEEN ENTITLED WITHOUT, WITHOUT THESE SORT OF REGULATORY BARRIERS, IT'S, IT'S A LOT HARDER TO, UM, ADD MORE REGULATIONS THAN IT IS TO REMOVE REGULATIONS. AND SO I DID MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE MEETING THAT WE, WE COME OUT WITH A FULL SET THAT THAT REFLECTS, YOU KNOW, UH, THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES IN PHASE ONE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN LEARN IN THAT FIR IN THAT BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO AND EDIT THOSE STANDARDS, UM, IN PHASE TWO RATHER THAN, UM, I THINK THE INCLINATION OF, UH, ANYBODY THAT'S WORKING ON A PROJECT WITH NOT ENOUGH TIME, UH, IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S GET SOME BASICS AND WE'LL ADD MORE LATER. UM, AND I WOULD JUST, I THINK THAT, UM, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RISK IN THAT, THAT YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT INTENTION, UH, AND IT MAY BE FAR MORE CONVENIENT UM, BUT IN THE END, UH, THAT'S NOT JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT MORE PUSHBACK ONCE, UH, ONCE THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN ROLLED OUT WITHOUT, UM, WITHOUT THOSE STANDARDS. UM, BUT YEAH, SO I GUESS, UM, AT THE, THAT'S AT THE HIGH LEVEL, KIND OF LIKE A REPORT BACK AND KIND OF SOME OF THE, THE, UM, THE LARGER SORT OF BUCKETS, UM, UH, AROUND THIS SUBJECT. UH, AND I WOULD ALSO, AND I WOULD SAY, UM, UH, MY INTENTION COMING INTO FRIDAY'S MEETING IS TO LOOK AT THEIR DRAFT, UM, AND LOOK AT OUR MOST RECENT DRAFT OF THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINE, UM, YOU KNOW, AMENDED URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR, UH, WHAT OF THOSE GUIDELINES THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN INTO STANDARDS AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING AT ALL. UM, I, MY SENSE IS THE, THE LIST OF STANDARDS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS PRETTY, UM, IS VERY SHORT. UM, AND IT DOESN'T, I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE'S A STANDARD FOR EACH OF OUR PRINCIPLES. UM, OH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, TO, TO CONSIDER. UM, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, NOT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU NEED AN INDIVIDUAL STANDARD TO COVER EVERY SINGLE THING. LIKE YOU CAN COVER A LOT OF GROUND WITH, WITH A SINGLE STANDARD. BUT, UM, YEAH, MY INTENTION WOULD BE TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE DIFFERENCES, UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, AND, AND PUSH, UH, STAFF, HOPEFULLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONSIDER, UH, STANDARDS THAT ARE GOING TO COVER THE BREADTH OF, UH, THE BREADTH AND DEPTH OF, OF, UM, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, THE INTENT AT LEAST, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINE REWRITE. THANK YOU. WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT THE ROLE OF THE DESIGN COMMISSION WOULD LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS HOW, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD EVOLVE INTO WHAT WE SEE? UM, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND IT. I MEAN, UM, IF THERE'S NO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS, THERE WILL NOT BE A DESIGN REVIEW. NOT THAT THERE IS TODAY. WE'RE JUST KIND OF, WE KIND OF POSTURE AND, AND THEN STAFF MAKES THAT DESIGN REVIEW, UM, ADMINISTRATIVELY. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT OUR ROLE IS GOING, CERTAINLY GOING TO CHANGE SINCE THERE WON'T BE GUIDELINES, UM, TO REVIEW PROJECTS AGAINST. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S ALSO AN, AN INTENTION [01:10:01] TO, TO REMOVE THE BARRIER OF PROJECTS HAVING TO COME TO THE DESIGN COMMISSION. UM, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, THERE IS NO DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT CITY PROJECTS LIKE THE ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN TODAY. THEORETICALLY, WE'D STILL SEE THOSE. UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BEGS A WHOLE NOTHER QUESTION, LIKE, WHY, WHY DO WE SEE THOSE? UM, SOMETIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT REALLY HAVING TO DO WITH URBAN DESIGN, UM, A LOT OF TIMES, UM, SUCH AS, UH, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY, UM, AIRPORT FACILITIES. UM, AND SO MAYBE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. UM, BUT IN SOME WAYS, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING OURSELVES OUT OF A ROLE. UM, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE VERY MUCH TRACTION ON THAT. UM, THAT THE, THAT THEY BUILD THE URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS WITH A, UM, RATHER THAN ALLOWING, UH, ALTERNATIVE EQUIVALENT COMPLIANCE ADMINISTRATIVELY, HAVING THEM COME TO US FOR AT LEAST THE, THE MAN, YOU KNOW, THE MANDATED STANDARDS. THERE'S, THERE'S A CONCEPT OF HAVING REQUIRED STANDARDS AND THEN A MENU OF OPTION STANDARDS. AND SO FOR THE REQUIRED STANDARDS TO GET, UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE FOR THOSE STANDARDS, THAT THEY COULD COME TO US, IT WOULD HELP US CON, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS ITS IMPACT ON URBAN DESIGN AND, AND ALSO THEREFORE INFORM HOW, UM, PHASE TWO STANDARDS MIGHT BE CHANGED. WE'LL SEE. UM, THAT WAS KIND OF, UH, IT WASN'T A, A CENTRAL, UM, POINT OF THE CONVERSATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER MARCUS? UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD, UM, YOU, UH, TOUCHED ON IT, BUT BASICALLY IS THERE, IS THERE A SYSTEM CURRENTLY OR IS THERE A THOUGHT TO PUT IT IN PLACE OF HOW THE STANDARDS COULD BE UPDATED IF SOMETHING, UM, NOT NECESSARILY THAT, UH, SOMETHING DIDN'T GET INTO PHASE ONE, THEN PHASE TWO, BUT IF, UM, THROUGH DOING WE REALIZE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, WHAT IS THE PROCESS THERE? AND MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION TO STAFF AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS POINT, I, I MEAN, I CAN ANSWER IT AT A HIGH LEVEL AND STAFF CAN PROBABLY FILL IN THE, THE DETAILS, BUT, UM, GENERALLY THESE STANDARDS WILL BE EITHER TURNED INTO CODE OR TURNED INTO CRITERIA, MANUAL RULES. UH, IF THEY'RE CRITERIA, MANUAL RULES, THEY WILL BE ADOPTED THROUGH THE TARP PROCESS. THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY REVIEW PANEL WILL, UM, REVIEW ANY UPDATES AND REVISIONS TO ADMINISTRATIVE MANUALS, LIKE CRITERIA MANUALS. AND IF IT'S CODE, IT'LL GO THROUGH COUNCIL. UM, POTENTIALLY WE COULD COMMENT ON THOSE, BUT I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S NECESSARILY A SYSTEM THAT WOULD FLAG THOSE FOR OUR REVIEW AT THE, AT THE CURRENT MOMENT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND A TIMELINE TO UPDATE THOSE DEFINITELY INCREASES, RIGHT? IF IT'S A, IF IT'S CODIFIED IN CODE, THEN ANY CHANGES TO IT TAKES TIME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? UH, CHAIR, ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE, I, I COULD SPEAK TO WHAT SHE SAID AT, AT THE END THERE. OH. UM, I THINK IT WILL TAKE TIME. AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A VERY TIME COMPRESSED PROJECT, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, COUNSEL IS UNDER PRESSURE TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING ADOPTED FOR DOWNTOWN MAKE DOWNTOWN DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONAL TO A, TO A HIGH LEVEL AGAIN. UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF IN A, IN A LIMBO STATE, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, SINCE SB EIGHT 40 AND IT'S, AND IT'S REVISIONS, UM, AND SO COUNCIL, I THINK THEY ARE PLANNING ON TAKING ACTION, ADOPTING A SYSTEM, UM, OF SOME SORT. SO, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I MEAN, IS THAT'S A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND, UH, WITH NOT A TON OF OPPORTUNITY FOR ENGAGEMENT, UM, EVEN WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I THANK YOU, CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER ARULA, GO AHEAD. YEAH. UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, YOU ALLUDED TO SOME KIND OF AN ALTERNATIVES, I'M THINKING MORE OF A WAIVER. SO, UM, SO IF IT IS IN THE CODE, OBVIOUSLY THE WAIVERS WILL HAVE ITS OWN PROCESS AND IF IT IS A TARP OR SOMETHING, IS THERE A WAIVER PROCESS THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED? SO THOSE REQUESTS AT LEAST WILL COME TO THE DESIGN COMMITTEE STAFF OR SOMEHOW SOMEBODY GETS, THE COMMITTEE GETS NOTICE OF THOSE THINGS OR, YEAH, I THINK, UH, IF THAT, THAT PROCESS WERE, THAT IS NOT A PROCESS CURRENTLY. UM, IF THAT PROCESS WERE TO BE ESTABLISHED, THEY WOULD HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO CREATE THE, THEY'D HAVE TO ADOPT A RELIEF PROCESS, A RELIEF MECHANISM SORT OF PROCESS WITH THE URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS THAT, THAT, UM, REQUIRED THAT, UH, ALTERNATIVE EQUIVALENT COMPLIANCE SORT OF, IT'S NOT A WAIVER, IT'S, UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE [01:15:01] AN ALTERNATIVE WAY OF MEETING THE INTENT OF THE STANDARD. UM, THOSE APPLICA, THOSE PROPOSED APP, UM, PROPOSED DESIGN SOLUTIONS, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE LANGUAGE THEY ADOPT WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT A NEW PROCESS THAT WOULD SAY THAT THOSE WOULD HAPPEN THROUGH, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE EQUIVALENT OF A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TYPE OF, UM, MODEL USING THE DESIGN COMMISSION. I DON'T, LIKE I SAID THERE, I DIDN'T SEE A TON OF APPETITE FOR THAT, UM, IN THE, IN THE CONVERSATION. UM, BUT THAT'S, I THINK KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND IT WOULD LIKELY BE TEMPORARY IN THE END. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAIVERS AND ALTERNATIVE EQUIVALENT COMPLIANCE, THAT'S USUALLY HAPPENED, UH, HAPPENS JUST WITH STAFF AT AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. SO, UH, UNLESS IT REQUIRES A VARIANCE AND THEN IT GOES TO, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL AND WE'RE, WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT TERRITORY, THERE'S NOT A SORT OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, UM, FOR THIS SORT OF THING RIGHT NOW, AS TO MY KNOWLEDGE. UH, JORGE MAY, MAY KNOW OF A SECRET, SECRET GROUP. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS JUST TO ADD, IF I MAY? SURE. YES, PLEASE. THERE'S A CURRENT PROCESS IN THE CODE WHERE YOU HAVE LANGUAGE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT POINTS TO SPECIFIC STANDARDS. IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE A TECHNICAL CRITERIA MANUAL. SO YOU OFTEN DON'T SEE THE MECHANICS OF HOW THINGS WORK. THAT'S MY OVERSIMPLIFICATION FOR MY OWN UNDERSTANDING. SO YOU'LL HAVE ELEMENTS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT TELLS YOU WHAT IT IS, AND THEN IT POINTS TO THE CRITERIA MANUAL THAT TELLS YOU HOW IT WORKS TO OVERSIMPLIFY. AND SO THERE IS A PROCESS AS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER HOWARD OF HOW TO UPDATE THOSE. THE COUNCIL AT ANY POINT MAY INITIATE AMENDMENTS TO EITHER THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA, MANUALS ARE ON A CYCLE MM-HMM . WITH INTENTION SO THAT THOSE AREN'T UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS. THAT CREATES INCONSISTENCY OF APPLICATIONS OF THOSE TECHNICAL STANDARDS. SO THERE'S OFTEN A SCHEDULE, I BELIEVE IT'S EVERY TWO YEARS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, CO CODE AMENDMENTS CAN HAPPEN ANYTIME AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? WE'RE [6. Discussion and action to appoint a member of the Design Commission to serve as the Commission’s representative on the Downtown Commission. Sponsors: Chair Salinas and Vice Chair Meiners.] GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. UH, WE'RE GOING TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM TO APPOINT A MEMBER OF THE DESIGN COMMISSION TO SERVE AS COMMISSION'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION. UM, COMMISSIONER GALES MOST RECENTLY SERVED ON THERE, HAD SOME SCHEDULING CONFLICTS AND, UH, IS NO LONGER PART OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION. UM, IS THERE ANYONE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SHARE WITH US ABOUT THE D DOWNTOWN COMMISSION AND WHAT THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY FOCUS ON WHEN THEY MEET? UM, SEE IF ANYONE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YES. CHAIR. UH, I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY, UH, GREAT AND ACTIVE COMMISSION. IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, A, A PLEASURE AND AN HONOR TO BE A PART OF THE COMMISSION. UH, AS I'M, AS SOME OF YOU MAY BE AWARE, UH, COMMISSIONER CARROLL IS ALSO IS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION AS OPPOSED TO AN INACTIVE LIAISON, WHICH IS WHAT MY ROLE WAS, WHICH WAS MORE OF A REPORTING ROLE TO OBSERVE AND RECORD AND THEN REPORT, UH, WHAT I OBSERVED AT THAT MEETING TO THIS GROUP. SO A NON-VOTING, UH, OBSERVER IS, IS REALLY THE ROLE. HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN, UM, VERY INTERESTING TO OBSERVE THE WAY THIS COMMISSION OPERATES AND ENGAGES WITH, UH, BOTH THE, UM, PRESENTATIONS TO THIS COMMISSION, THE INFORMATION THAT IS SHARED TO THE COMMISSION, THE WAY THEY RELATE TO, UH, AND, UM, CONNECT WITH CITY COUNCIL, UH, AND ALSO RELATE TO AND CONNECT WITH THEIR COMMISSION STAFF. UH, SO JUST OBSERVING THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN, UH, VERY VALUABLE. UH, THE MEETINGS DO TAKE PLACE ON, UH, TYPICALLY MONDAY EVENINGS. AND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, I, I DO HAVE SEVERAL OTHER CURRENT ENGAGEMENTS THAT, UM, HAS MEANT I, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ATTENDING. BUT, UM, HIGHLY RECOMMEND ANYBODY WHO IS INTERESTED IN THE ONGOING PROCESS AS IT CONNECTS WITH SPECIFICALLY THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UH, THAT THIS IS A VERY ACTIVE GROUP. UM, AND YEAH, [01:20:01] UH, DO, DO TAKE UP THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU ARE ABLE TO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THIS CAN ALSO BE ATTENDED REMOTELY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IN FACT, I ONLY WERE WAS EVER ABLE TO ATTEND REMOTELY AND THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY I COULD ACTUALLY MANAGE TO MAKE IT WORK. IT IS TYPICALLY HELD AT IN CITY HALL SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MEETING THAT TAKES PLACE MOST, IN FACT, ALMOST ALWAYS IN CITY HALL. BUT MY PRESENCE AS AN OBSERVER WAS ONLY EVER REMOTE. UH, AND YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT ON. AND THEN, UM, BUT IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN BEING THE COMMISSION'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION CHAIR, IF I MAY. YES, PLEASE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS. ALRIGHT. I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO NOMINATIONS IF ANYONE'S IS INTERESTED. UM, RAISE YOUR HAND OR, YES. COMMISSIONER CAR. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO, UH, CLARIFY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES FOR THOSE THAT ARE THINKING ABOUT IT, THE MEETINGS ARE HELD, UH, ON THE THIRD WEDNESDAY AND THEY START AT FIVE 30, ACTUALLY 30 MINUTES EARLIER THAN THESE MEETINGS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST, I REALIZE I SAID MONDAY 'CAUSE THIS MEETING IS ON MONDAY, BUT YES, I APOLOGIZE. THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION MEETINGS ARE ON A WEDNESDAY TYPICALLY. ALRIGHT. WE CAN ALSO, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, RENOMINATE YOU FOR THIS. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, , AND I DO APPRECIATE IT. I, I, YOU KNOW, I SEEM TO RECALL TAKING UP THE, THE ROLE RELUCTANTLY JUST WITH A LOT ON MY PLATE, WITH MUCH GOING ON. AND AS I SAID, I HAVE ENJOYED MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION, BUT WE'LL GLADLY, UH, VACATE THAT POSITION FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED. OKAY. WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOU DO, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT ON WHEN YOU DID. SO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UM, IS ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THIS COMMITTEE, LEARNING ABOUT DOWNTOWN AND WHAT'S GOING ON DOWNTOWN? UM, IF NOT, WE WILL POST KEEP, WE'LL KEEP IT ON NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA, SO. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY FUTURE [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] AGENDA ITEMS, UH, THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP? COMMISSIONER CAROL, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, UH, THE BARTON SPRINGS BRIDGE ITEM THAT WAS REQUESTED. UH, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION ON THE BARTON SPRINGS WHEN IT'S COMING NEXT MONTH. CONFIRM, AND THAT'S CONFIRMED. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SHOOTING FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. SO I KNOW IT WAS, UH, SORRY, CHAIR, IF I MAY. YES, PLEASE. UH, WE, WE TOUCHED ON THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS RECORDED WITHIN THIS SECTION TO REVISIT THE CENTRAL DISTRICT PLAN AND HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF, UH, TO TALK TO THIS GROUP. AND, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE EXPLANATION AS TO WHY I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION, I, I WOULD FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON THE LANGUAGE IN THE CURRENT PRESENTATION THAT REALLY DESCRIBES A PLAN TO DEFINE DENSITY, TO DEFINE, UH, URBAN FORM, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, TO CREATE ESSENTIALLY AN OVERLAY FOR WHAT IS THE CENTRAL DISTRICT THAT SHOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT THIS GROUP IS CONSULTED ABOUT, GIVEN THAT WE ARE A TEAM OF DESIGNERS AND ARCHITECTS. AND SO IF, IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, UM, HAVE, HAVE OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, AND PERHAPS WE'VE MISSED THE, THE BOAT ON, ON THIS, AND WE'VE BEEN SIDE STEPPED AND NOT BEEN ENGAGED AS A, AS A KEY STAKEHOLDER IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT EITHER WAY, I THINK IT'S STILL VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE MM-HMM . UM, WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND PERHAPS IT, IT IS BEEN MENTIONED THEY MAY BE PLANNING TO, UH, ATTEND, WAS IT MAY THAT WAS MENTIONED. THEY'RE PLANNING TO COME BEFORE THIS GROUP. YEAH, MAY 18TH . OKAY. AND CAN I ASK, UM, [01:25:01] WHERE THAT, WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT ALIGN WITH REGARDS TO THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE, ARE INVOLVED AND WHAT IS THE GENERAL TIMELINE? AND AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, THEY'VE ALREADY PRESENTED TO THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION AND, AND THIS IS GONNA BE NOW IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHO ELSE ARE THEY PRESENTING TO AND WHAT, WHERE DO WE FIT WITHIN THEIR TIMELINE? DO YOU KNOW THAT INFORMATION? YES. SPECIFIC, IF I MAY CHAIR. YES. WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. COMMISSIONERS, WERE NOT AWARE OF HOW MANY COMMISSIONS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED THUS FAR, BUT THE PROCESS ITSELF IS QUITE A WAYS AWAY. AND YOU'LL STILL SEE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FORM OF AN ACTUAL CENTRAL CITY PLAN MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND EVENTUALLY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ON ITS WAY TO COUNCIL. SO THAT'S STILL QUITE A WAYS AWAY. I, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIMELINE, SO MY APOLOGIES, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, AND SO PERHAPS THE MAY DATE IS WHAT WE HOLD TO AND NOT THE UPCOMING, UM, COMMISSION MEETING, BUT TWO MONTHS FROM NOW. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S, IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF NOT, AND THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I'M GONNA ADJOURN THE MEETING AT, UH, 7 29. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION TONIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.